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Monday, November 12th, 2007, 00:06 UTC

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pab:

I, after much swearing, did succeed in getting lirc to work just today. I'm a noob but what's your question?

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mzb_d800:

Jack3: once you get the idea of how lirc works, the rest should fall into place

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devsforev:

Good evening everyone. I was wondering if anyone can help me with lirc. For the last few weeks, lirc will run normally for a few hours, even a couple days. Then, out of nowhere, it starts to consume 100% of the CPU, and halts. I have to use kill with the -9 flag to stop it. The only clue in my log files are two lines when it crashes. They are: (1): "lirc: read() failed" and (2): "Connection reset by peer". Any thoughts? I have tri

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whafro:

hey folks, I'm looking for a way to stream recordings from my tivo, and see MythTiVo ... but it's listed as working with 0.11, and being deprecated... is there an updated way to do this? does it work with 0.20?

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mzb_d800:

devsforev: enable logging for lirc in hardware.conf ... see lircd --help (I think it's -L)

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cal:

can anyone help with why for the past few days, fast forward is choppy? and the audio keeps playing as if its not fast forwarding

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devsforev:

mzb_d800: I'm pretty sure that message did come from the log file in /var/log/lircd

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devsforev:

does it give more verbose logging if i use the -L option

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devsforev:

?

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mzb_d800:

no idea

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mzb_d800:

are you using a distro-provided version or building from (recent) source?

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devsforev:

I did use the debian provided one for a while, but to use the transmission option on my USB-UIRT, I had to remove it and compile it from source

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mzb_d800:

are there any messages in syslog at the same time?

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devsforev:

i don't think so, let me check

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mzb_d800:

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devsforev:

nothing appears in syslog during the crashes

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devsforev:

let me check out that link for a bit

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devsforev:

nope, i don't have that same error

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devsforev:

do you think it's worth trying to compile the latest CVS?

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whafro:

is there a non-addon way to stream from tivo to mythtv

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whafro:

?

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DarkAnt:

hi, could someone give an idea of the state of windows mythtv frontends?

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directhex:

DarkAnt, mythtv player us useable, but breaks randomly on some recordings

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DarkAnt:

what about tapeworm?

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directhex:

worthless

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mzb_d800:

devsforev: yeah, try updating your source ... otherwise recheck your config

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devsforev:

mzb_d800: The version i compiled was the latest public release, not the CVS. Should I try the CVS?

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mzb_d800:

devsforev: sounds like a good idea

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DarkAnt:

that's unfortunate

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devsforev:

mzb_d800: thanks for the ideas; i'll try that in a little while

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mzb_d800:

np

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ShiftyPowers:

argh!!!!

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ShiftyPowers:

this is making me mad!

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ShiftyPowers:

my remote frontend the video in LiveTV freezes and the audio gets jittering and slow

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone have a similar problem ever?

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feiner:

whats your network connection, lots of activity

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feiner:

if wireless how good is the signal strength

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ShiftyPowers:

it's on a LAN connection

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ShiftyPowers:

with no real activity

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ShiftyPowers:

it's odd

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ShiftyPowers:

as soon as I hit livetv the video freezes a bit after locking the signal

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feiner:

lots of hdd atcivity on the be?

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ShiftyPowers:

and then the audio slowly starts to the deteriorate and gets slow

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ShiftyPowers:

and jittery

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ShiftyPowers:

no real activity on the BE either

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ShiftyPowers:

my frontend on the BE works fine

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feiner:

got some resource hog on the FE after an update or something?

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ShiftyPowers:

not that I can see

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ShiftyPowers:

may be my nvidia settings?

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ShiftyPowers:

what's the least CPU intensive setting for playback on the frontend? CPU-- or CPU++?

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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feiner:

ShiftyPowers: not sure what ya mean, haven't looked at any nvidia settings, if your card is supported by the drivers and can use xvmc itll take load off the cpu if you enable it

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feiner:

damn to slow, guitar hero 3 kicks ass everyone should go buy it

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black_Nightmare_:

I know this might sound just a bit weird but...were there ever any other adapters other than skt370>slot1 for slot1 motherboards?

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feiner:

not that i know

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black_Nightmare_:

thanks

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black_Nightmare_:

guess I'll keep to the same search for a 400–500mhz then

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Der_Thomas:

hey feiner still around?

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Der_Thomas:

I fixed my comm flagging problems

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feiner:

what was wrong

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Der_Thomas:

I had two crashed tabled in myth's DB

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feiner:

haha yeah that might do it

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Der_Thomas:

recordedmarkup and recordedseek

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Der_Thomas:

any idea what causes db table crashes like that?

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feiner:

markup must hold the locations of the commercial flags i suppose i dunno what seek would hold

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feiner:

no clue really, did any of the logs give you any clues?

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Der_Thomas:

no, not really

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Der_Thomas:

you know, I had a recording "stuck" that I couldn't delete and there was a crashed table that caused it too.

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Der_Thomas:

you know if there is a sql command to find all crashed tables?

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feiner:

nope, not much of a sql wizard

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Chris_:

quick question, Can my backend have the capture card? Basically i have a ubuntu server i want to install myth tv onto and i dont have any monitor connected to it. Can i use it as my backend?

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Der_Thomas:

thats cool

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Der_Thomas:

Chris_, yep

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feiner:

Chris_: usually backends have the capture cards

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Chris_:

cool thanks never set up mythtv

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Der_Thomas:

TV is sent to the front ends over the network

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Chris_:

ok i see, yes i have MythTV fronted installed on OS X

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feiner:

or you can run a backend on your frontend machine too, but if its not very powerful i wouldnt

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Chris_:

i have a file server i connect thru SSH, and would also like to use it to house the mythtv backend

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Chris_:

thanks for the help

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feiner:

np, go ahead and ask any other questions, someone should have an answer or be able to help ya find one

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lee33t_:

hi

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Chris_:

one more quick question. Does my backend have to have a GUI installed to manage it. Can do adminstration thru SSH?

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feiner:

you need x to run setup

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feiner:

x and qt support

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Chris_:

ok thats no problem then, thanks

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feiner:

you can export x or something like that if you want and have x over ssh

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feiner:

never really looked into it much

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mzb_d800:

feiner: ssh -X is a good way of remote|headless admin

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mzb_d800:

(given enough bandwidth ... 5Mbit is "enough")

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feiner:

yeah and there was something about ssh -y too but i dont member the use for -y

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lee33t:

h

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maca:

Hello all – to whom should questions be directed?

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Tronic:

To the channel.

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maca:

Ok!

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maca:

I have been running the MythDora installation for some time and wanted to change video boards (fan got noisy). After changing the board (only physically), when MythTV is running, I only see it's nice gradient background; no menus.

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maca:

If you use the keyboard like they're there, you can still access some functions, but no GUI. Exit to the OS and every thing's fine; just no MythDora GUI. Changing back to the original (noisy fan) video card doesn't help.

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maca:

Options at this point???

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maca:

Thanks in advance!

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cesman:

the logs state?

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maca:

I'm sorry, didn't understand your question; are you asking what's in the/a log file(s)?

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hads:

Start with the QT painter instead of OpenGL

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maca:

OK, this is where my Solaris background ceases to be helpful. :-)

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maca:

I don't know how to start MythTV other than the 'default'

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maca:

way. I hate to sound like the 'new guy', but Fedora isn't what I use at work (Sun Solaris + WIndows). Suggestions?

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hads:

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=mythtv+painter+start+qt+opengl – Result number 2 should help out.

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maca:

OK, tried that. Ran "mythfrontend.sh -O ThemePainter=qt"; I still see the "Prescaling theme images" part, but no GUI except for the "Are you sure you want to quit" when you type 'Esc'.

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cesman:

maca: what is in the text of the xterm?

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cesman:

mythtv should spit out some usefully info

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cesman:

please use pastebin

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tjcarter:

for some reason, I cannot sort out this problem with mythweb svn..

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tjcarter:

recorded programs listing is pretty much blank, though the rest of mythweb works fine.

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hgait:

Hi All

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maca:

OK, fixed it. I found and re-ran the myth...setup.pl and re-selected the video card. Quite a few downloads and updates were apparently applied, but it works now. Thanks all!

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hgait:

does any one know much about foxtel and mythtv ?

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cesman:

what is foxtel?

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maca:

So, if I want to change the video card from an NVidia to a Matrox (just what I have in the junk box...) is there a 'right' way to do that?

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hgait:

foxtel is a pay tv system in aus

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hgait:

im have problems with the s-video input on a Leadtek DTV 1000T

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hgait:

its working but very pixellated

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tjcarter:

ISTR that there were two projects that were basically bad citizens Mythically speaking.. Is Puto one of them?

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tjcarter:

or are they even on the radar?

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Pogonip:

Added mythtv to Ubuntu, but mythconverg isn't getting created, has anyone seen this?

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rooaus:

justinh: hey

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justinh:

hey hey

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justinh:

this isn't bad news, I hope :)

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rooaus:

no dude, you can breathe easy ;)

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justinh:

hehehe cool :D

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rooaus:

was going to say http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4144 should have fixed the segfault in trunk (I hope)

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justinh:

yeah I saw that

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rooaus:

cool

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justinh:

I put the proviso on my website anyway. anybody who uses svn shouldn't be incapable of editing the xml file I reckon

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rooaus:

for sure :)

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justinh:

won a mobile dual core CPU at $silly price yesterday. 32.60 pounds! and it's a t7100

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rooaus:

ah, no more via (C3?) then.

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justinh:

absolutely no more

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justinh:

they can take their pretendy CPUs & their diddy little motherboards & shove them where the sun doesn't shine

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justinh:

that is, assuming I can get the Intel graphics to behave in linux

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justinh:

as in – get svideo out worky

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rooaus:

can you get a vid card in there if needed?

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justinh:

yes but I'll need a pci-e riser

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rooaus:

oh

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justinh:

or a new case

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justinh:

if push comes to shove that's what I'll have to do (the riser, I mean)

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rooaus:

either way it is better

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justinh:

yeah -better than the machine on my desktop

[08:00:27]

justinh:

:(

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justinh:

way I look at it is though, my desktop is as quick as I need it to be. I mean what do I spend more time doing on it than anything else? editing bitmaps & xml files :P

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rooaus:

Yeah, my BE/FE is better than my desktop as well. Don't play games so... oh well.

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rooaus:

I gotta make some coleslaw, be back in a bit.

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justinh:

the only thing a dual core cpu would really make a difference with is my video mangling

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justinh:

but even so I bet renders would still be overnight jobs

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justinh:

hmmm there's another core2 duo mobile chip on cheap and those motherboards are still available.. hmmmm

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directhex:

rendering should be MUCH faster. core2 has 4 instructions per clock, compared to 2 on all previous chips available

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justinh:

course before I can upgrade my desktop I need to lay my hands on a sata hdd

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justinh:

argghhh! no wonder this machine is so damn slug-like. 192MB RAM with Windows XP?! they're 'avin a larf!

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jeffery:

after transcoding the recorded video, the audio is not synched with the video.. is there some setting somewhere I can tweak to make it transcode better ?

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** justinh wonders is linuxmce is dead yet **

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mzb_d800:

it has an expiry date?

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bsdfox_:

anyone know of a way to expire livetv recordings after ~1 hour instead of a day?

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bsdfox_:

if I fall asleep w/ livetv on it fills my hard drives pretty quick

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justinh:

upgrade to svn trunk

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justinh:

IIRC there's now a timeout setting for it

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justinh:

for livetv I mean, so you don't get left in livetv

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justinh:

alternatively just do what I do – don't ever use live tv

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janneg:

bsdfox_: afaik 0 is a valid value for expire live-tv after x days

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bsdfox_:

is that just immediate? that wouldn't be bad

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bsdfox_:

I will test

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janneg:

but since live-tv will expire before any recording I don't see the problem

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bsdfox_:

I run user jobs that need some disk space to run

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bsdfox_:

sometimes I need 20 gigs to process a file, so I try to keep my recordings pretty tidy

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bsdfox_:

I can't set livetv recordings max age to 0 either :(

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justinh:

ugh. what's the point of a text entry box if you can't put stuff in it yourself? eeeew

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justinh:

you could try setting 'extra disk space' of course

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bsdfox_:

yeah, really what I need are some bigger hard drives :P

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bsdfox_:

only have 110gb for storage right now

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justinh:

serves you right then!

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otwin:

bsdfox_: you can set 'extra disk space' in the tv settings – myth won't use that amount of space for recordings

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tjcarter:

I have asked a couple of times, but always apparently at lame hours where nobody was here..

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tjcarter:

there are a couple of projects that are bad citizens in terms of how they use MythTV. Is Pluto considered one of them?

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justinh:

don't think so, other than their policy of spamming every list going when they first launched

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tjcarter:

There are far greater sins than sending out an announcement of the first version of a project to everyone and their dog.

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justinh:

Plutohome were behind the bounty to get the telnet interface off the ground, so if any project is 'bad', I doubt Pluto could be considered among the worst

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justinh:

tjcarter: their campaign was pretty intense & not always on topic which I think what got some people's backs up

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tjcarter:

I assume they're using their own frontend

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tjcarter:

justinh: I've decided I have interest in a better frontend to begin porting to Mac..

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tjcarter:

frankly, trying to maintain Qt3 so I can continue compiling MythFrontend doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.

[14:06:38]

tjcarter:

I'm now once again unable to build Qt3, so pretty much I can't update.

[14:13:32]

clever:

if you want to rush the porting of qt3

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clever:

you could change the function to printf an error and exit

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clever:

and hope it isnt actualy needed by myth

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clever:

would probly be faster then fixing it to work under mac

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clever:

a FIXME in a comment would also help in undoing it latter

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clever:

(my editor highlights those)

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: how available is QT4 on a Mac ?

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: it's far better supported than Qt3

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: it doesn't refuse to compile on 10.5 I think ;)

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GreyFoxx:

You might consider working on the porting effort to QT4. There is a seperate branch for that

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tjcarter:

Once you remove the stubborn refusal to compile, Qt3 won't because C++ has changed too much..

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GreyFoxx:

I know some of the apps (mythtv-setup) have been running under windows because of it

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jheizer:

uh oh Justin, you decided to send an email out.... lol

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Esine:

Hey. There's a "Progressive" option under the Video Scan on the OSD menu. How do I make it default so I wouldn't have to change it every time I switch a channel?

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Esine:

or is it Detect Progressive.. anyway is it related to that Bob 2x or Linear or w/e settings in the ffmpeg/xvmc/gl settings. I'm using trunk..

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Esine:

hm yes it seems it was the "Bob 2x". I set interlacing to disabled and it looks tons better! Finally flicker free menus, hooray!

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justinh:

jheizer: it's ok I got a filter set up already :)

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jheizer:

hehe

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jheizer:

I just downloaded it to check it out

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jheizer:

it seems to decompress ok, but I get a crc error

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justinh:

works for me (tm)

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jheizer:

and winrar says CRC failed in file.... the file is corrupt

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jheizer:

but it decompressed 116 files, 4 folders

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jheizer:

du -h says only 692K though

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arod:

I'm planning to build a mythtv linux pvr. simple question: is my box supposed to be on all the time? I'd like it to be off and turn on automatically just before recording a show. Is it possible?

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anykey_:

yes it is

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arod:

anykey_: could you point me to some docs?

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anykey_:

http://www.mythtv.org ? ;)

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otwin:

arod: in theory 'yes', in practice it depends on your motherboard. search the wiki on 'wakeup'

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arod:

otwin: thanks

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jheizer:

your mileage may vary

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arod:

nvram-wakeup. got it

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otwin:

and acpi wakeup...

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arod:

could you recommend a working usb dvb-t+analog tuner? or some url with a reliable and complete compatibility list?

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Floppe:

After I switched to SVN trunk a couple of weeks ago there's OSD flickering when channel is tuned. I don't use XvMC. And I can't find the deinterlace setting anymore either. Any clues how to solve?

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clever:

mythfrontend is freezing up some when editing a show

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kdubya:

Floppe, you probably have bob deinterlace on

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kdubya:

the page where you set the deinterlacing stuff has changed because you can set filters and deinterlacers for different resolutions

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kdubya:

i think it is the third page in the playback settings

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Floppe:

ah, thx

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jheizer:

nm justin, false alarm

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jheizer:

guess the download F'd up

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justinh:

whaddya mean nm? I nm'd in the first place

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justinh:

:)

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jheizer:

haha

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jheizer:

thanks :-P

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justinh:

uhhhh you used winrar? FFS man

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jheizer:

yeah, happens to be on this machine

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justinh:

where in the install instructions do I say "to install, open the file in winrar" ? :P

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jheizer:

well tar gave me the errors I PM'd you

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jheizer:

so tried it on that box

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justinh:

ahh an enhancement request, straight to /dev/null

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jheizer:

all set using clouds background now

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justinh:

I just thought of how I should've set the licence terms now

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justinh:

say the xml files are all GPL but the images are copyrighted. ah well, better luck next time

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anykey_:

does someone know if the PHP license is compatible with the GPL?

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jheizer:

could go ahead and switch it now

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justinh:

nah I

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justinh:

I'll leave it this time

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justinh:

feature requests are gonna go in the bin whatever happens though

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justinh:

"hey, I love this theme BUT"...

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justinh:

requests attached to donations will likely be viewed differently

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jduggan:

lol

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justinh:

I got all the features I wanted, so I stopped when I'd done them. no incentive to go back & do more

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jduggan:

well yea, you should develop a theme for you and release it as is, unless someone finds something thats severely fucked up, make them eat it ;)

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justinh:

need to get round to writing the big long disclaimer/rant page

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anykey_:

oh justinh, remember my donation? I'd like transparent boxes in mythvideo (for blootube-wide) ;-)

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justinh:

you know where the xml is :P

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DustyBin:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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DustyBin:

2007-11–12 14:56:14.188 DB Error (Looking up chanID):

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anykey_:

argh :-p

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DustyBin:

anybody know what might cause that error?

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justinh:

donations are thanks for past work, not future :)

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anykey_:

justinh: I know, just a joke ;-) I've fixed this for myself a long time ago =)

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jheizer:

I love it

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justinh:

anykey_: you did? you should've sent me screenshots. I might've sent it upstream

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jheizer:

one one or two tiny things that I will just tweak myself

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jheizer:

most just because I have a smaller tv

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tjcarter:

awesomeness, I estimated my lat/lon and was within 13 feet of where I sit according to my t(?)rusty old GPS..

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anykey_:

justinh: oh, well, I'll send you some asap

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justinh:

tjcarter: wait til the compass you ate comes out the other side. oh boy#

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tjcarter:

this probably makes me a total dork.

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justinh:

jheizer: what tweaks?

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** tjcarter reaches over and smacks anykey in a momentary flashback **

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justinh:

well I'm off to see the wizard of Oz to see if he can sell me some memory

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kslater:

does Myth have hooks to put in custom code (scripts?) before or after various events/

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kslater:

?

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kslater:

for example – before recording an OTA digital channel, check the signal strength

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** hashbang updates his MythTV wiki page – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Cowbutt **

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Dibblah:

janneg: Is enabling multithreaded mpeg4 as simple as setting encoding_thread_count in NVP.cpp?

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DustyBin:

does anybody know of a tool what can repair corrupted mp3 files?

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DustyBin:

maybe i need to look in windows land

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hashbang:

DustyBin: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mp3check/ ?

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hashbang:

DustyBin: it'll just drop damaged frames, which may not be what you want.

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DustyBin:

hashbang: i stream music to a shoutcast server but sometimes my mp3s stop playing and i cannot figure out way, there is nothing mentioned in the logs

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DustyBin:

so im going to run all my mp3s through some kind of check

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hashbang:

DustyBin: mp3check will do that

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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hashbang:

DustyBin: lots of downloaded mp3s are corrupt

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DustyBin:

aye thats what i thought

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DustyBin:

mp3check – Check mp3 files for consistency

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DustyBin:

checkmp3 – Identify MP3s that do not follow the MP3 format

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DustyBin:

all in debian repo :D

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hashbang:

cool – the deb folks do a pretty good job of packaging /everything/

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tjcarter:

As a former developer, I'd debate that point ;)

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tjcarter:

but as long as they're doing more things right than wrong, it works out.

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tjcarter:

oh, you meant sheer volume of trying to include every piece of code known to man.

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tjcarter:

Yes, that they do a fine job of ;)

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janneg:

Dibblah: not NuppelVideoPlayer that's the player class and it gets only decoded video, I think it is nuppeldecoder.cpp

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SiD3WiNDR:

.oO( mmm, nippledecoder )

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clever:

DustyBin: know of a way to find duplicate mp3's(ignoring diff id3 tags)?

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djc__:

hrm.. anyone able to connect to atrpms?

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dablitz:

hello channel

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dablitz:

i have a Hauppauge Nova-S DVB card running myth-trunk. I am trying to get the remote to work right, but having some issues with the i2c portion. does anyone know of a how-to for this

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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black_Nightmare_:

any of you good with optical drive choices? ^_^

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black_Nightmare_:

hm quiet in here

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clever:

svn update fixed atleast one of my segfaulting bugs:)

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justinh:

whee got my ram. aria are so much better than www.scam.co.uk & microdirect :)

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justinh:

in & out in less than 10 minutes! unheard of round here

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clever:

lol

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black_Nightmare_:

now only if I could have MY parts already? :p

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** black_Nightmare_ hehs **

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hashbang:

justinh: live locally to aria?

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jheizer_:

nice

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jheizer_:

can nevevr have too much ram

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well I guess thats true..just watch out for the bios/whatever on your board ;)

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jduggan:

lol @ scam.co.uk

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jduggan:

we have a trade account w/them

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jduggan:

not so bad..?

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portahex:

i get free shipping for being an international sexpot

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clkio:

is it a real nightmare to install mythtv on fedora 8 as opposed to using one of those canned live cds?

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portahex:

i think someone makes rpms for redhat

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portahex:

i don't know how easy they make the process

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clkio:

portahex what about filesystem time? im reading some say dont use ext3 some say do, does it matter?

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clkio:

i prefer to just let auto parition with LVM which i guess uses ext3 by default

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portahex:

don't use ext3 for recordings unless you really have to

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portahex:

it's an immensely slow FS for dealing with few, enormous files... such as tv recordings

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clkio:

what would u use then?

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olger901:

use xfs

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clkio:

stable?

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olger901:

stable enough

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portahex:

very stable

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olger901:

it's in the kernel sourcetree so it's stable imho

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portahex:

if in doubt, ring up sgi and ask them for a support contract on it

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clkio:

hah

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clkio:

wish me luck guys i hope to finish this before midnight, 9pm here

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olger901:

there is even a windows driver for it XD

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Dibblah:

janneg: Nope. Don't see it :(

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janneg:

Dibblah: let me open the file

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Dibblah:

Thanks :)

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janneg:

Dibblah: setting mpa_vidctx->thread_count and calling avcodec_thread_init(mpa_vidctx, x) at the end of NuppelDecoder::InitAVCodecVideo() don't work?

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Dibblah:

I don't know yet – Haven't tried :(

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Dibblah:

Give me a minute or two to try and understand what you're suggesting.

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janneg:

have you looked at the avformatdecoder mt patch?

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Dibblah:

Doh. No – Looking around for it now.

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janneg:

Dibblah: http://www.grunau.be/0001-enable-multithreade . . . coding.patch

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janneg:

enc is also a AVCodecContext* like mpa_vidctx

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Dibblah:

Okay. Is there anything I can do to help getting this in trunk?

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Dibblah:

Looks like it just needs a setting / autodetect...

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janneg:

Dibblah: I jsut realize that we are speaking about completely different things

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Dibblah:

Assuming it works well, of course :)

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Dibblah:

I'm meaning mpeg4 multithreaded decoding.

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janneg:

you want multithreaded encoding

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janneg:

?

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Dibblah:

No, I thought that was already in trunk?

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Dibblah:

Decoding. File -> screen.

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janneg:

I think so but it might be only used for transcoding

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janneg:

Dibblah: another thing: you need to enable mt in libav* with --enable-ffmpeg-pthreads

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justinh:

hashbang: as near to aria as I live to other places apart from maybe planetmicro which is only about a half mile away

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ali1234:

directhex: i've got a new driver script for the sony remote for you to try. it bonds the remote to your computer so you should only have to press "shift+enter" the first time you use it.

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justinh:

about Â£17 for a stick of ddr2 pc5300 so-dimm ain't too bad I reckon :)

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** justinh laughs at the request for a 4:3 version of glass-wide already. can people not read? **

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ali1234:

wow i used to live 2 minutes walk from planetmicro and my housemate used to work for aria

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justinh:

small world

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ali1234:

i wouldnt buy anything from planetmicro ever again

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janneg:

Dibblah: please try following patch http://www.grunau.be/multithreaded-decoding_2.patch

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ali1234:

but maybe i was just unlucky

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justinh:

I know people who know people who used to work at all these pc component sheds.... returning 'dead' stuff to stock.. etc

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justinh:

I got stuck behind a guy at scan once – I was trying to return a cheap CF card. he was trying to argue the toss over .5fps in some benchmark or other with the setup he bought from there. I don't think I've ever been as close to thumping somebody in public

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ali1234:

yeah but scan deserve it cos they always make you argue

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justinh:

ali1234: well, planetmicro can do some good deals. if the price difference between them & the others is the price of the petrol I just go there

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janneg:

Dibblah: if it works it would need a setting. I doubt that autodetection would be good

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justinh:

I'd use ebuyer but their delivery terms are silly. infact I'd buy online far more often if the couriers everybody used were worth a light

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justinh:

'you were out'. yeah. I was out earning money to buy the stuff, muppet!

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ali1234:

yeah these days i live practically next door to microdirect so i just go there

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janneg:

the setting stuff is the only thing that hinders committing the avformatdecoder patch now

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justinh:

you ever get to the Manchester LUG ? been toying with the idea of popping along

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ali1234:

i went to that talk they held about GPL v3 with the dude from FSF

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ali1234:

actually i think that was UUG

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justinh:

UMIST Unix Group?

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justinh:

(guessing)

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ali1234:

just unix user group i think

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Andycasss:

Does anyone know, if I can use IPTV (UDP streams) ?

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justinh:

Andycasss: some you can. depends on the source entirely

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Andycasss:

If so i could watch over 50 channels instead of 3 analog :(

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Andycasss:

I can watch em with vlc

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IPTV

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Yggdrasil:

hello im going to back up my system

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Dibblah:

Good for you!

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justinh:

about blimmin time!

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Yggdrasil:

and im wonder is there a way to store all the remotecontrol settings ?

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Yggdrasil:

haha

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justinh:

Yggdrasil: backup the database

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Yggdrasil:

well actually its lake because its screwed up

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Dibblah:

Really – It *is* good for you ;)

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Yggdrasil:

i thought that the keyboard cmd is

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Yggdrasil:

uh

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justinh:

backup all the files in your ~/.mythtv directory

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Yggdrasil:

i thought that backup up the database held the remote control settings ?

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Yggdrasil:

ok

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justinh:

the database does hold the keybindings, yes

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justinh:

but not the remote control settings as such

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Yggdrasil:

hmm intersting ok

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Yggdrasil:

hmm

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justinh:

the file which controls which lirc functions get assigned to which 'keys' is 'lircrc' which lives in ~/.mythtv/

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Andycasss:

Justinh, is there a bit more straight forward guide of how to get this running on my mythbox?

[17:47:47]

justinh:

Andycasss: no idea at all

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justinh:

if people don't put stuff in the official docs or the wiki, then nobody gets to know

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Yggdrasil:

ok but i dont think im using lirc

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Yggdrasil:

neway if i have to redfo my keys it wont be the end of the world

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Yggdrasil:

thanks

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Yggdrasil:

you

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** Yggdrasil glares **

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dablitz1:

me

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Yggdrasil:

hah wasup man

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Yggdrasil:

funny game were in to

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dablitz1:

not much just working on my lircrc

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Yggdrasil:

hey ?: you using a ati all in wonder ?

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Dibblah:

janneg: Distclean / compile / install – Gonna be a while :)

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Dibblah:

Thanks!

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dablitz1:

Yggdrasil no i am using the remote that comes with my nova card

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Yggdrasil:

ahh

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Yggdrasil:

cool

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ali1234:

why are the extra backgrounds for glass-wide such an odd size? i would expect 1024x576. is it just to save bandwidth, or is there a good reason for it?

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justinh:

1280x720 is the current base resolution of -wide themes

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ali1234:

not that saving bandwidth isnt a good reason...

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ali1234:

how does that relate to 600x337?

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justinh:

it's a 16:9 ratio

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ali1234:

or is that just the html resizing them?

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justinh:

does the page not say 'save image as' by right clicking? the html is resizing them

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ali1234:

i see. i can't save them by right clicking... they havn't finished downloading yet

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justinh:

you on dialup or something?

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ali1234:

gprs

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justinh:

oof

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ali1234:

yeah the glass download page has just barely finished loading

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jonK:

is there any downside to making a massive LVM drive to store myth recordings?

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ali1234:

if you use xfs or jfs you can't shrink it later (or so i read somewhere)

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ali1234:

and trust me you dont want to use ext3 for the video partition on a low end machine

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jonK:

am using JFS

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directhex:

jfs is teh devil!

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jonK:

please to explain?

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Esine:

JFS is pretty good

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Esine:

I use it on all my machines :)

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directhex:

jfs ate all my recordings for no good reason

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Esine:

directhex, pebkac ;)

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justinh:

FS-wars!

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directhex:

i trust sgi more than ibm!

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Dibblah:

So, who wants to start with the "glass half full" jokes?

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jonK:

maybe JFS was hungry?

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jheizer:

just plain old ext3 here...

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jheizer:

I just use the parameter tweaks made by knoppmyth "mke2fs -j -O sparse_super -m0 -i8000000"

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kormoc:

jheizer, that's a hell of a lot of inodes for media storage... and you might want -o dir_index in there as well

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kormoc:

(depending on the side of course)

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directhex:

kormoc, or, even better, use a well-suited FS instead?

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kormoc:

I actually like ext3

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jheizer:

hmm, I never looked into it to be honest

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Beirdo:

urgh!

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Beirdo:

I meant to hit Ctrl-B, not Ctrl-C!

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Beirdo:

!trout

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** MythLogBot dumps a bucket of trout onto Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

it'll get to it eventually

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jheizer:

1TB with recordings and all my music

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Beirdo:

just recompiled using the libs from feisty instead of edgy

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BULLE:

kormoc: i cant realy see any sane reson not to use ext3 today

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kormoc:

jheizer, that's slightly different then, music == many more files :P

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kormoc:

jheizer, with just recordings, I tend to go low, 2000 inodes or the like, as I'll never have more then that many files on there

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jheizer:

ah, got ya

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directhex:

BULLE, performance and/or features?

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BULLE:

directhex: stability and performance

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BULLE:

directhex: seen to many horrible problems with xfs or jfs

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directhex:

i've lost data to every FS

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directhex:

except hfs+

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kormoc:

Personally I can recover data from ext3/2 in the event of a crash. I can not with jfs/xfs/etc. Hence I use ext3

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** kormoc thinks directhex needs to be nicer to your box **

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kslater:

BULLE: what sort of problems? Like lookups doing i/o?

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Dibblah:

janneg: Okay. Compiled, but seems to make no difference with BBC HD streams :(

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kormoc:

kslater, they mostly have issues with unclean shutdowns causing data loss

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BULLE:

kslater: what kormoc said, and no i dont do unclean shutdowns on purpose, but nvidia binary drivers and bleeding edge mythtv etc, have killed my box more then once

[19:05:24]

kslater:

interesting

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kslater:

I've been using jfs for a while and I've seen my share of lockups lately.

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kslater:

worst I've had is a corrupt table in mythconverg, but maybe I've been blessed

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BULLE:

the one fs i would love to have in linux, is zfs

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jduggan:

heh

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jduggan:

wouldnt we all

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jduggan:

i cant imagine it happening soon, its suns only real asset

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jduggan:

;p

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jduggan:

software wise

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jduggan:

s/sun/solaris/

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BULLE:

jduggan: well, they already shipp it with newest macosx, and they give it away for free with opensolaris

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jduggan:

BULLE: yea, but license doesnt allow it to be put into linux kernel

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BULLE:

jduggan: indeed, guess i would be equaly happy to get tv tuner support going in opensolaris, and then just use solaris

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jduggan:

i know linus and many other kernel devs have been pushing for it :)

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BULLE:

i can imagine

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Broxtor:

Is there any way to get MythTV to display in 16:9 on a wide screen tv? I followed the instructions for this on MythTv.org wiki but it didn't work unfortunately.

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janneg:

Dibblah: transcoded BBC HD streams? I'm not even sure whether the mpeg4 part2 (ie not avc or h264) decoder supports multithreading

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justinh:

Broxtor: I just run X at 720x576 & fake the aspect ratio with DISPLAYSIZE

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justinh:

works just fine

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Broxtor:

justinh: Do you use SVIDEO output?

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justinh:

yep

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justinh:

oops

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Broxtor:

justinh: I'll give it a try.

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hadees:

some how my mythtv database is almost 18 gigs

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hadees:

any idea how that happend? and what i can do to cut out some of that size

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hadees:

it is filling up my /var partion

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janneg:

disable log-bin if you don't need it

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janneg:

if you don't know what it is used for you don't need it

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hadees:

janneg, where do i do that?

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hadees:

and how do i erase the other ones

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Broxtor:

justinh: It's looking a lot better now. Looks like I only have to play with some overscan now. Thanks a lot for your help!

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janneg:

hadees: in the mysql config file for cleaning up look for "master logs" in the mysql documentation

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wsuetholz:

Hello

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wsuetholz:

I have 2 backends and a HDHomerun

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wsuetholz:

I set up the master backend first, and I want recordings from the HDHomerun to be done from there.

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justinh:

I have three DVB-T tuners, one backend & a crappy frontend

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justinh:

and?

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wsuetholz:

However, it seems to be random which backend does the recordings

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justinh:

I doubt it unless you've also got a HD homerun set up on the slave backend

[20:00:37]

justinh:

or unless the hostname of both backends is the same..

[20:00:41]

wsuetholz:

what page/search string should I use to find out how to fix this.

[20:00:50]

wsuetholz:

no, one is mce-server

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wsuetholz:

and the other is livingroom

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justinh:

I don't think that's even possible if you didn't set the hdhomerun box up on the other backend

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wsuetholz:

I only set up the HDHomerun on the mce-server, I set up a Hauppauge USB PVR2 on the livingroom

[20:01:52]

wsuetholz:

I use the IR on the Hauppauge

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justinh:

I've had a secondary backend before, and it only recorded shows from its tuner

[20:02:10]

wsuetholz:

and I'm trying to get the composite/svideo working on that.

[20:02:19]

wsuetholz:

do you have a HDHomerun?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

but it should only be set up on one machine

[20:02:31]

wsuetholz:

Well, It's a networked device

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justinh:

I know it is

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wsuetholz:

it's viewable from any machine on it's network.

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justinh:

but if you only tell one backend about it, the other shouldn't go for it

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wsuetholz:

but, it's a shared database

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justinh:

but nothing

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justinh:

on the backend called 'mce-server' you set up the hdhomerun yes? then only that backend will be able to record from it

[20:03:34]

wsuetholz:

I see it in mythtv-setup on the secondary as well as on the primary backend

[20:04:04]

wsuetholz:

that's not what I'm experiencing. I did not set it up on livingroom.

[20:04:08]

justinh:

hmm then maybe the hdhomerun is a special case – but I doubt it. it's still treated as a 'capture device'

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wsuetholz:

yes it is treated as a capture device.

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justinh:

I don't think even a HDHR can be a shared capture source

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justinh:

I think all capture devices are exclusive to the backend they're set up on

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justinh:

I could be wrong though.. in which case I think it was a silly idea to share a tuner between backends

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wsuetholz:

I think I'll have to look at the database definitions closer. I was hoping it was something as simple as priority settings.

[20:07:05]

justinh:

see the capturesource setup stuff is stored in the database alongside each backend's hostname, so AFAIK only one backend can have a source on it at one time

[20:08:08]

justinh:

the 'capturecard' table has a column for hostname, so I reckon it's unlikely to be shared

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justinh:

whatever type it is

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wsuetholz:

Good, I'll just have to verify that it's set appropriately. it's possible that the database got mucked up in my transition from Knoppmyth to Mythbuntu.

[20:09:05]

Hoodman:

ok. i just installed knoppmyth on a computer, everything went smoothly, but when i try to watch tv...it tells me that mythtv is using all available inputs. I read the documentation, but im still lost, ...please help

[20:10:28]

wsuetholz:

maybe look at the system status menu choice

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Hoodman:

under system status, it tells me that tuner 1 is unavailable, and tuner 2 is unavailable

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wsuetholz:

did it see them when it was configuring the input sources?

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Hoodman:

im not super sure, i thought so

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masonsjax:

quick question: I've got a video dir NFS mounted on my mythbox. I take down the fileserver sometimes and when it comes back up, I have to ssh into the mythbox and umount/mount the share again. How can I automate that?

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masonsjax:

i vaguely recall some flag in fstab or exports or something to make it gracefully handle unavailable servers, but i cant seem to find that now.

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kormoc:

masonsjax, look up automount

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Dibblah:

janneg: Ah, right. So not expected to work, then? :(

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masonsjax:

k, thx

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fysa:

I think NFS can do it without automount?

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fysa:

I use this:

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fysa:

spacepants:/spacepants/media /spacepants/media nfs soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp,user

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fysa:

in my fstab and it seems to auto reconnect.

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jonK:

"spacepants"

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jonK:

hahaha

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fysa:

I believe the 'bg' option is what you want.

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janneg:

Dibblah: I have no idea

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kormoc:

fysa, depends on if there's any open file descriptors on the previous mount

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fysa:

http://linux.die.net/man/5/nfs

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Hoodman:

Anyone arround that can help me get my capture cards "available" everything else seems to be working

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fysa:

intr and bg together.

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fysa:

bg = If the first NFS mount attempt times out, retry the mount in the background. After a mount operation is backgrounded, all subsequent mounts on the same NFS server will be backgrounded immediately, without first attempting the mount. A missing mount point is treated as a timeout, to allow for nested NFS mounts.

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fysa:

intr = If an NFS file operation has a major timeout and it is hard mounted, then allow signals to interupt the file operation and cause it to return EINTR to the calling program. The default is to not allow file operations to be interrupted.

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fysa:

I believe intr will solve the open file descriptors problem.

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wsuetholz:

Hoodman, you might wish to check out the output from dmesg regarding your card

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fysa:

sorry.

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fysa:

soft too :P

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fysa:

soft = If an NFS file operation has a major timeout then report an I/O error to the calling program. The default is to continue retrying NFS file operations indefinitely.

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masonsjax:

hmm

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Hoodman:

•wsuetholz• im sorry, i dont understand

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fysa:

probably be easier to just to copy my line and replace it with your credentials and try it.

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masonsjax:

heh. thanks. I'll give it a whirl.

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wsuetholz:

in linux there is a command you can run to output the kernel/module messages that command is dmesg.

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masonsjax:

I use it for read-only anyway.

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Hoodman:

I have 2 wintvpvr-150s, they show up in system info as unavailable

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Hoodman:

•masonsjax• how can i locate that

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Hoodman:

•cesman• I have 2 wintvpvr-150s, they show up in system info as unavailable

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wsuetholz:

you will likely have to wade through a whole bunch of stuff.. look for bttv since that is the driver for the 150's

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Hoodman:

•wsuetholz• where will i look for bttv

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masonsjax:

surely there are some detailed guides available online for setting up a 150

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janneg:

Dibblah: you could transcode them to mpeg2 with ffmpeg. at 15–18mbit I don't a difference to the h264 encoded original with ~15mbit

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masonsjax:

i dont remember even having to do anything to get my 500 working.

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Hoodman:

Well, i assumed that it would automatically set it up, thats why i got the pvr-150s

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masonsjax:

maybe i installed one package.. but i'm sure i found what was required with google

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floppyears:

yeah, setting up the pvr-150s is really easy, just follow the online docs

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floppyears:

hi guys

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masonsjax:

werd

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floppyears:

is it possible to make it so that a machine prefers a remote tuner vs a local one ?

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Hoodman:

well the online docs dont really help me, im not a linux user

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masonsjax:

oh, in that case, buy a tivo

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masonsjax:

:)

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wsuetholz:

For the most part, you shouldn't need linux knowledge for knoppmyth

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Hoodman:

ya, ya

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wsuetholz:

do you know how to get to a command prompt?

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Hoodman:

no

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wsuetholz:

do you have a keyboard on the machine?

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Hoodman:

well, ctrl, alt f1

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floppyears:

yeah, if you don't have very much experience with linux, just choose one of the distros that comes with mythtv builtin

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floppyears:

mythdora is a popular as well as knoppmyth

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wsuetholz:

he started with knoppmyth

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floppyears:

ah

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wsuetholz:

the ctrl-alt-F1 should get you to the login prompt, right?

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Hoodman:

yes

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wsuetholz:

at that point you can log in using root as the username and the root password you used when setting up the system.

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wsuetholz:

It's been awhile since I setup knoppmyth, so let me know if you didn't set up the root user.

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wsuetholz:

also try <http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=TroubleShooting>

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Hoodman:

ok

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wsuetholz:

once you get to a command prompt usually with a "#", you can run the dmesg command

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wsuetholz:

that I spoke of before.. your actual command should probably be "dmesg | less" to page the output

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wsuetholz:

look for /dev/video0 or bttv and verify that everything got detected.

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wsuetholz:

actually if you look at the troubleshooting web page they tell you how to get to a xterm window which has a command prompt. They also tell you how to get back into mythtv-setup to verify card settings.

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wsuetholz:

thanks for the help justinh

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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bsdfox__:

sup black_Nightmare_

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bsdfox__:

:)

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phaktor:

quick question, I've got a hauppauge 150 on an Pentium 800, running back end, I'm using dish network, and I have about a 10 second lag from when I use the remote. is this about average?

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justinh:

yup

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox... :P we're in two channels altogether? heh

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justinh:

phaktor: if by that you mean when you change channels on the dish box you don't see it change on the pc til 10 secs later

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phaktor:

yea ...

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phaktor:

justinh : is the lag in the card (ie getting a faster box won't fix things.)

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phaktor:

the 150 card

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justinh:

phaktor: yup. that and the fact mythtv records everything

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bsdfox__:

phaktor: I don't have any lag from my remote

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jeffery:

after transcoding the recorded video, the audio is not synched with the video.. is there some setting somewhere I can tweak to make it transcode better ?

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justinh:

bsdfox__: he means the output is like 10s behind the input. perfectly normal

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bsdfox__:

oh yeah

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floppyears:

ouch, a 10 sec lang is quite a bit

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floppyears:

is there one service or company that works best with mythtv ?

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floppyears:

meaning little to no lag, and great support ?

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xand:

eh?

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xand:

lag?

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justinh:

floppyears: what?

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xand:

your question makes no sense to me

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justinh:

floppyears: there's lag as the mpeg encoder encodes the input

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justinh:

then there's lag between mythtv recording the video/audio & playing it back

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justinh:

it all adds up

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floppyears:

oh, I thought the lag was created by directv

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bsdfox__:

I don't understand why you care at all about 10 seconds?

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Hoodman:

i got everything working, but i cant seem to get all the chans i can on the tv

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Hoodman:

ok, i got that working......now the program guide isnt showing what is on the chans, and quick fixes?

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bsdfox__:

run mythfilldatabase

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Hoodman:

where do i run that?

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bsdfox__:

consol

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bsdfox__:

e

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Hoodman:

ok, where can i find console

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bsdfox__:

:(

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Hoodman:

i know

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Hoodman:

im working through this all

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Hoodman:

ive gotten this far

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floppyears:

ctrl+alt+f1 will get you a console

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black_Nightmare_:

any of you had any experience with abit sound cards?

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black_Nightmare_:

reason is that while I was looking around out of curiousity as usual I actually found this one http://www.vesalia.de/e_abitau10.htm .. and I'm just liking it..especially look at how many inputs&outputs total it has aside to midi :p

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jheizer:

another picture that looks decent with the glass theme http://chamorrobible.org/images/photos/gpw-20 . . . an-large.jpg

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tempb0y:

anyone know of mythtv server/client type setup? i'm trying to reproduce a system like www.kaleidescape.com

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directhex:

tempb0y, myth is client/server by design

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directhex:

tempb0y, EVERY myth install is client/server – it's just most people have both client and server on the same machine

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kormoc:

tempb0y, nfs will allow you to have centralized storage for your mythplugins

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tempb0y:

cool. what are people using for clients that connect to remote televisions?

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tempb0y:

for whole house audio/video?

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directhex:

remote televisions? why control something for a room you're not in?

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tempb0y:

directhex, well mythtv server is going to be in network room in house

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directhex:

tempb0y, you have one or more mythtv backends, containing media and/or tv cards. you can access those servers most easily with a mythtv frontend (e.g. a small pc running mythtv), an alternate client software, or a upnp client like a ps3

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kormoc:

tempb0y, you mean remote frontends?

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directhex:

e.g. i can watch tv on thsi desktop pc, which has no tv cards, by running mythfrontend – i get all the usual perks of myth, like pausing & rewinding live tv, even though the tv cards are downstairs

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tempb0y:

directhex, so let me finish. i have 4 rooms all of which i want to be able to access the mythtv server to watch dvds and music

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tempb0y:

kormoc, yea frontends

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directhex:

tempb0y, 4 frontends. easy.

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tempb0y:

with HD and surround respectively

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directhex:

tempb0y, if you have no need to access tv, you won't even need frontends – you can use a upnp client like a ps3

[22:30:11]

tempb0y:

directhex, what hardware are people using for front ends? i have some thin clients but they do not have tv-out :(

[22:30:19]

kormoc:

tempb0y, I have a core 2 duo as my mythbox, works well enough

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directhex:

tempb0y, that question depends on budget

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kormoc:

tempb0y, with HD, you need some beefyness

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directhex:

tempb0y, i'm a big fan of the mac mini as a frontend, as it's tiny, sleek, and turbocharged

[22:30:44]

tempb0y:

kormoc, what about frontends i'd prefer a small microATX or miniATX type solution

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tempb0y:

directhex, so mac mini makes a good frontend?

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directhex:

tempb0y, not enormously cheap, but not half bad compared to building a mini-itx machine with new parts

[22:31:14]

tempb0y:

i want to put frontends in all of the kids rooms

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kormoc:

tempb0y, won't do HD

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dr_lulz:

i use my 900mhz/256mb laptop – budget ftw ;)

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directhex:

kormoc, mac mini will do hd as well as any other core2 box

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kormoc:

directhex, last I knew, it's video card couldn't do 1080

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tempb0y:

where are some docs i can read up on for mythtv front-end hardware

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dr_lulz:

tempb0y: have you looked if there is an entry in the wiki?

[22:32:34]

tempb0y:

ahh, let me try the myth wiki

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directhex:

kormoc, 2048x1536 @ 75hz is the chipset limit

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tempb0y:

i think i'm going to turn my spare core 2 duo box into a myth server either that or my dual core

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directhex:

kormoc, you may need the recent modesetting driver to minimize pain though, i810 sucks

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tempb0y:

so do the miniATX boards by via make good front ends?

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tempb0y:

via miniatx

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** kormoc doesn't like via at all **

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tempb0y:

i currently have a m1000 epia-m

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directhex:

tempb0y, epia sucks

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directhex:

tempb0y, it struggles with SD, HD is a no-hoper

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tempb0y:

directhex, ok. i'll stick with intel chipset boards then

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directhex:

tempb0y, just buy anything with a core2 in it, and you should be fine

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tempb0y:

for backend right?

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tempb0y:

what about epia for front-end?

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex..did you actually try a standard SD?

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black_Nightmare_:

because even the 533mhz one can playback any dvd movie or alike just fine with less than 40% cpu load

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black_Nightmare_:

natural for the dvd decoder inside the unichrome gpu

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tempb0y:

crap i'll be back tomorrow

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directhex:

tempb0y, you don't need power on the back-end, you need it on the front-end

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tempb0y:

really?

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tempb0y:

i thought backend for sure since it holds all the content

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, i haven't bought an epia, i've listened to everyone who owns one whinge about how they suck

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directhex:

tempb0y, and does what with it? the backend just needs some capture cards. it's all i/o

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tempb0y:

but i guess frontend makes since because it is decoding the video

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black_Nightmare_:

re HD...well...thats the issue...you only get pci slot alone with epias so no chance of using a nvidia video card that has advanced decoders

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directhex:

tempb0y, watching involves decoding thousands of complex codes per fraction of a second

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tempb0y:

directhex, in my case i don't even need capture cards because i'm mainly going to use it for MP3 and DVD playback

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex..you must be listening to dumb idiots then..thats all I can say...maybe you should actually read the viaarena forum, look at mini-itx.com projects, and so on

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black_Nightmare_:

(the viaarena forum is an offical one hosted by via as a note)

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bsdfox__:

black_Nightmare_: d201gly2 :)

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tempb0y:

well i'll chat with you all more tomorrow on my setup

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tempb0y:

laters/

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black_Nightmare_:

'd201gly2'?

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bsdfox__:

$68 intel board, way faster than any via solution

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bsdfox__:

1.2ghz core-based celeron. I think I'm gonna try to build a couple frontends w/ them

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black_Nightmare_:

the only one single epia to sure avoid (unless its just internet/typing/etc you're after) is the original 500mhz one... it only had small trident 3D graphics at first .. that was before via finally made the unichrome chipsets yeah

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black_Nightmare_:

got a link to this board?

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directhex:

http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D201GLY2/index.htm

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bsdfox__:

1 sec

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directhex:

SiS :/

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bsdfox__:

yeah

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bsdfox__:

it's offered w/ a tv-out header overseas so I'm sure I can just solder one on :)

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bsdfox__:

consumes like 25W under full load

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directhex:

SiS :'(

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jams:

bsdfox__- be sure to report back. The local store has some that I have been tempted to pick up.

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black_Nightmare_:

umm excuse me.... 1. what is this weak 'mirage' thing? 2. where's firewire? 3. sure why is it saying "optional" on the svideo port? should not that be standard for multimedia market :p

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black_Nightmare_:

and well I'm sure I can point out more

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bsdfox__:

jams: yeah if I can get mythfrontend running well on it I'll write up a big article

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bsdfox__:

getting the sis tv-out working in linux will be the trick

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black_Nightmare_:

and I hope that thing the hell has more audio headers onboard

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, it's still 4x faster than the fastest epia, which matters for some people

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bsdfox__:

it's not made for a multimedia board

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jams:

well not for sure a "big" article is required =)

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bsdfox__:

it's made for emerging markets (ie, asia and africa)

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bsdfox__:

jams: I'm planning some hardware mods :P

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black_Nightmare_:

well just as a note.. the epia is close to same mhz on several boards and via still has more plans

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bsdfox__:

it's a fast cpu and a very cheap board

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bsdfox__:

via cpus blow though

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black_Nightmare_:

2ghz mobile too (although the market still has to pick up more so it'll be easier to find laptops with this)

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bsdfox__:

this is a conroe-L

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black_Nightmare_:

well its missing several features and yet only has one lousy pci slot to try add these so... :P

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, via c3 is SLOW. really really slow

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex..again you're listening to idiots ^_^

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, instructions per clock is something silly like 1

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black_Nightmare_:

go read on viaarena a bit and pls come back? ;)

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directhex:

so i should go and read an official company forum to get balanced info on a product?

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black_Nightmare_:

for the note.. several 533/600mhz epia with just 512mb or 1gb of ram has no issue with xp mce and many movies anyway

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directhex:

i've nothing against via, and have used via chipsets for things before, but c3 is a crap chip. that's just fact

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bsdfox__:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopi . . . amp;start=60

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bsdfox__:

but it confirms what I've been suspecting about the C2 solo core of the Intel CPU. It simply blows the doors off the VIA, achieving about double the performance on every benchmark. Power difference is maybe +5W at the wall — 25W vs 20W (including a 6W HDD).

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bsdfox__:

And the price difference between the 2 boards at mini-box is $267 vs $70. You know which is which

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black_Nightmare_:

where did you find $267?

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bsdfox__:

I'm not really sure why the epia board would be better for anything :P

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black_Nightmare_:

its a lot less

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bsdfox__:

that's a quote from spcr

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bsdfox__:

link?

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black_Nightmare_:

spcr must be mis-quoting an intel itx then

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bsdfox__:

epia-ex15000g

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black_Nightmare_:

since none of the single epia's cost that much at all (save for the rare dual-epia one)

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directhex:

bsdfox__, i would be immensely disappointed by only double performance, clock for clock

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directhex:

sure epias cost that much

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directhex:

EPIA EX 15000G C7 Mini-ITX Board, Â£135 plus tax (~$300)

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black_Nightmare_:

$110-$170usd to be exact..for between fanless 800mhz to the 1.5ghz

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bsdfox__:

I doubt it, considering that spcr has been a huge advocate of the epia machines and receives tons of samples from them :P

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bsdfox__:

directhex: http://resources.mini-box.com/online/MBD-I-D2 . . . umption.html

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directhex:

bsdfox__, 4x for floats, that's more like it

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bsdfox__:

link me

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black_Nightmare_:

I used to mull about one of the MII some time ago but decided to just try push the old pc one more time before finally just purchasing whatever might be new from via in a year or two (since there wouldn't be any sensible low-$ upgrade paths to my pc past this one anymore)

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directhex:

bsdfox__, http://resources.mini-box.com/online/MBD-I-D2 . . . /fourier.png

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bsdfox__:

black_Nightmare_: where do you see the 15000g for $170?

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directhex:

the 15000g is over $300 here

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox...hm are you in north america?

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directhex:

$325.913 plus shipping infact

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bsdfox__:

yeah I'm in california

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black_Nightmare_:

hm odd

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Beirdo:

my condolences, bsdfox__

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black_Nightmare_:

you're in the same state as two good itx stores which has that price -_-

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directhex:

or $335.575 from a competitor

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bsdfox__:

:P

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directhex:

http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11470

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bsdfox__:

link me then fool

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black_Nightmare_:

I know two itx stores from calfornia then one from VT (VT one's much closer to me but they don't have as many accessories/etc as others tho)

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directhex:

for that money i could buy a 2.4ghz core 2 duo, and a brand-name motherboard for it with builtin vga

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bsdfox__:

you would have linked me a long time ago if the prices were what you say they are :P

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bsdfox__:

directhex: yep

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox...simple answer: because they're already on the sites I mentioned of above

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black_Nightmare_:

meh

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bsdfox__:

epia's market was small, low power boards

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bsdfox__:

and now intel wants a piece

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directhex:

Asus P5K-VM iG33, S775, PCI-E (x16), DDR2 1066/800/667, SATA II, uATX, On Board VGA

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directhex:

Intel Core 2 Duo E4600, S775, 2.4 GHz, 800MHz FSB, 2MB Cache, Retail

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dr_lulz:

away

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directhex:

TOTAL Â£163.17

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black_Nightmare_:

well epia's market was also toward multimedia and still quite usually is too (else why the decoder onboard and tv etc)

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black_Nightmare_:

hm that reminds me...brb

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bsdfox__:

directhex: am I missing something? cause I don't see any links for $170 15000g

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directhex:

y'know, defend epias for being low power, or being a good "complete package", that's fair enough. but they're expensive and the cpu is extremely slow, and that's not something you can defend against unless you're arguing for argument's sake (or, heaven forbid, a 'fanboy')

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directhex:

they were slow years ago, and haven't remotely kept up with the times. when banias and its children arrived, the only point epias won out on was price – and now that's being eroded, there's really not much left

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Beirdo:

OY

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Beirdo:

not only is google indexing the irc logs, but now ask.com is too

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** directhex indexes Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

the middle finger's more effective than the index finger...

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Beirdo:

now if I can figure out what the heck on my linode is doing GET / HTTP/1.0 so often.. to localhost...

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directhex:

bsdfox__, Intel D201GLY (Celeron 1.33Ghz CPU) Â£56.00

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directhex:

bsdfox__, EPIA EX 15000G C7 Mini-ITX Board Â£158.63

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fysa:

find .... { strings } | grep HTTP/1.0 :P

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black_Nightmare_:

there..almost forgot about resetting the internet logs on the old desktop

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bsdfox__:

directhex: the d201gly2 is an updated, cheaper version of that board

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black_Nightmare_:

a thing I still can't understand of intel is when they'll pull together and make some more inroad toward real 3D support ... family's old 845GL, friends X3000, and various demos just seem to usually have graphic issues even for my old games (don't ask why: the 845GL even after fresh install&updates still always crash at loading ms train simulator and can just about play zoo tycoon ok but with noticeable jerks when a

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black_Nightmare_:

friend .. well..naturally he just got a xfxforce 7600GS as I suggested and that cured his problems forever...but anyway

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directhex:

using the vendor driver or the generic driver?

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black_Nightmare_:

vendor

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directhex:

i've found that on windows, you really need to use the vendor driver & not the driver from intel.com

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black_Nightmare_:

(oh and before anyone asked.. the 7600GS was the cheapest pci-e card that was easy to find locally at $110cad+tax anyway, there's almost nothing below that except for refurbish or used)

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bsdfox__:

intel probably doesn't want to run into anti-trust litigation :P

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black_Nightmare_:

well as long as this is still happening thats why I don't quite like intel much yet (as an atx board with good gamer video card..hmm well guess thats ok but thats not my kind of computering field then tho :p )

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black_Nightmare_:

hm which of...I'm really liking the nvidia 6100's (even tried play some newer games on it a bit too) .. finally knew that they would release something to kill off that long-outdated old 440MX

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black_Nightmare_:

(oh just in case that wasn't noticed..I rather kinda like microatx's if I had to suggest motherboards...five-six slots seem too overkilling for typical build needs heh)

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black_Nightmare_:

nvidia 6100 microatx with onboard nic/fw and good number of usb .. well I think the only time you'll usually even need these 2–3 pci slots would be for tv tuner and/or hardware modem :->

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black_Nightmare_:

bsdfox__ if you're still there...you know that via used to make their own P4 motherboards before but I think like the license from intel ran out or something that they stopped making their own boards but did still give the chipsets to other board makers anyhow

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black_Nightmare_:

hm anyway...about tv tuners for a moment (now something ON-topic hm? heh) .. just had a dumb question but the ones that aren't gramegrabber type, do they have their own audio or still requiring seperate sound card for video in&out cabling?

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black_Nightmare_:

framegrabber*

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black_Nightmare_:

meh nevermind..need to afk for supper :/

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