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| [00:00:22] | mzb_d800: | ++ the "hard work" is done by an external supply |
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| [00:00:27] | black_Nightmare_: | several faqs re itx power supply refer to P4/PM and 'for older systems' |
| [00:00:48] | mzb_d800: | ooh ... minute's silence ... Remembrance Day |
| [00:00:50] | black_Nightmare_: | although I do *not* want to imagine anyone would be stupid to try run a prescott or some high-end P4's ... ha |
| [00:02:01] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... remote not working ... have to check if I plugged it back in properly .. brb |
| [00:03:37] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [00:04:52] | black_Nightmare_: | re external supply...hm probably true on that but heh I guess its a fair tradeoff in certain uses no? |
| [00:06:27] | brockp: | anyone else having issues ware import dvd stops working after it finishes copying the vob to the working directory? |
| [00:07:01] | brockp: | It started after i upgraded myth to support SD, |
| [00:07:09] | brockp: | .20 -> .20.2 from at rpms, |
| [00:08:33] | mzb_d800: | heh ... irremote is now hooked to dvb box ... hmm |
| [00:09:27] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb....as a little footnote... |
| [00:10:56] | black_Nightmare_: | its a bit funny when I think about it and for older systems ... a thermaltake fanless psu costs $190+cad retail compared to a morex 150W kit being only $80usd+shipping (and now its almost $1cad=$1usd, helps) ... and well most typical PII-PIII systems can do with 150W maximum just fine anyhow |
| [00:11:55] | black_Nightmare_: | if no comment...thats fine..me just kinda heh well you know...talking :-> |
| [00:12:30] | mzb_d800: | :) |
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| [00:14:04] | black_Nightmare_: | fanless cpu... fanless dc supply .. even fanless graphic if thats still so .. only noise might as well as be the foam-mounted hd and anything if at all from the external 120>12v brick |
| [00:14:18] | black_Nightmare_: | could be nice for any kind of multimedia uses of course ^^^ |
| [00:18:23] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [00:18:35] | mzb_d800: | my approach is different ... mount it under the floor |
| [00:18:36] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [00:18:53] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well mine might be a bit sized to be carryable to places so well yeah ^_^ |
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| [00:19:26] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb..did you said you had a 650mhz system? |
| [00:19:32] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [00:19:35] | mzb_d800: | MBE+FE |
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| [00:19:54] | black_Nightmare_: | hm what do you record/playback on it out of curiousity? |
| [00:20:19] | mzb_d800: | just moved the DVB tuner from the SBE+FE, as I built a remote for bedtv (and it was making a whining noise through audio while recording) |
| [00:20:23] | mzb_d800: | SD |
| [00:20:37] | black_Nightmare_: | just tv shows then? |
| [00:20:49] | mzb_d800: | no ... got videos & dvds too |
| [00:21:03] | mzb_d800: | and mythmusic of course (with shoutcast patch) |
| [00:21:59] | black_Nightmare_: | heh hm...just mp3 musics or ? |
| [00:22:10] | mzb_d800: | mix of mp3 and ogg (mostly) |
| [00:22:29] | black_Nightmare_: | ah hm ok |
| [00:22:30] | mzb_d800: | I've started encoding new stuff in ogg (max quality) |
| [00:23:24] | mzb_d800: | but now that the dvb tuner is on the MBE+FE (loungetv), my wish to keep @650 has evaporated .. gone back up to @804 and hope I don't get time drift during playback |
| [00:23:45] | black_Nightmare_: | heh hm ok |
| [00:24:35] | mzb_d800: | yay |
| [00:24:38] | mzb_d800: | loungetv:~# ls -l /dev/input/ | grep remote |
| [00:24:38] | mzb_d800: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11–11 11:23 bttvremote -> event3 |
| [00:24:38] | mzb_d800: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2007-11–11 11:23 dvbremote -> event2 |
| [00:25:51] | black_Nightmare_: | me not quite sure about full details yet but..I do know that in mind there's vcd/svcd/dvd/music/photocd discs playback .. aside to mov/mp3/aiff/jpegs files (neverminding any tv capture too) on hd ... and thats on top of also doing some hobby audio recordings at other times as well |
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| [00:27:04] | mzb_d800: | I get playback of most things at about 50% cpu |
| [00:27:42] | mzb_d800: | time to check livetv from both FE's (using a single tuner ... nice trick :) |
| [00:31:15] | mzb_d800: | yeah baby! |
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| [00:42:36] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb you still there? |
| [00:43:04] | mzb_d800: | just ... in a bit of a rush preparing a shopping list for woman (electronic parts) |
| [00:43:19] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [00:44:01] | black_Nightmare_: | most video cards from late 90's or later usually have mpeg2 decoder or that still depended? |
| [00:46:47] | directhex: | you're still relying on driver support to use it, regardless of the card |
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| [00:52:36] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex..hm yeah I know that but that question was a bit more hardware wise than software? |
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| [00:55:41] | mchou: | anyone here have skype, by any chance? |
| [00:56:04] | brockp: | i have skype |
| [00:56:11] | brockp: | why? |
| [00:56:23] | mchou: | brockp: lemme try PMing you |
| [00:56:30] | brockp: | k |
| [00:56:47] | brockp: | palen12 is the name |
| [00:56:53] | mchou: | gah! |
| [00:57:02] | brockp: | ?? |
| [00:57:15] | mchou: | need to register with irc |
| [00:57:42] | brockp: | you can do irc though skype? |
| [00:58:12] | mchou: | brockp: nono, I mean priv chat via irc :) |
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| [00:58:29] | brockp: | k |
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| [01:02:31] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex..so if we skip drivers for a moment...would that likely be a yes or no to my question? |
| [01:06:59] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: very few cards have complete mpeg2 decoding |
| [01:07:13] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: but nearly all have acceleration of some parts of the mpeg2 decoding process |
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| [01:07:38] | BULLE: | colorspace conversion, some have for motion compensation etc, depends a bit on the chip realy |
| [01:07:44] | black_Nightmare_: | thanks thats just exactly what I was wondering about |
| [01:08:05] | BULLE: | how much cpu useage reduction you get, depends on the particular chip, and if you got a driver for it |
| [01:08:36] | black_Nightmare_: | I'm sure that it would be absurb to ask for 1% cpu load while playing dvd movies but at least I guess that for older cpus the bits can help I guess |
| [01:08:50] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: 1% of what cpu ? =D |
| [01:09:06] | black_Nightmare_: | 400mhz...733mhz...take any sub-ghz picks :p |
| [01:09:22] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: the brand new nvidia and ati cards have pretty complete video acceleration for most common video formats, sadly no drivers for linux |
| [01:09:25] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: yes, that wont happen |
| [01:10:07] | BULLE: | if i just try to remember, i think intel, back when p3 ws the norm, stated that a p3 of 500mhz and a good graphics card at the time, was what windows needed for ok dvd playback |
| [01:10:23] | BULLE: | take that claim for what it is, something i think i remember, at 02:10 a saturday night |
| [01:10:45] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well..let me tell you something |
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| [01:11:41] | black_Nightmare_: | 98se + 300mhz on 66mhz fsb + old ati decoder (on rage pro card) = plays dvd movie smoothly even in fast action just as long as I don't have much else other than typical fdisk/etc sitting in system tray |
| [01:11:47] | black_Nightmare_: | that was quite some time ago tho anyhow |
| [01:12:07] | black_Nightmare_: | fdisk?...err no wait I meant fprot |
| [01:12:14] | black_Nightmare_: | meh .. almost mixed up two names :P |
| [01:12:40] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: ati has always had very good video acceleration, back then it was about the best you could get |
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| [01:13:14] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: so then, i guess, with a crappier graphicscard, and some more apps running in the background, the claim of 500mhz p3 isnt totaly outrageous |
| [01:13:59] | black_Nightmare_: | true but the card is just a bit way too old (and for the note..its already been overclocked a bit crazy that its a wonder neither of any of the non-heatsinked chips even get much hot at all) for me to be able to depend on much further anymore |
| [01:14:32] | black_Nightmare_: | so hence looking for (keeping choice a bit wide to make it easiest to find one of them) geforce4 mx, 3dfx 3500TV, tnt2 w/tv-out .. or well something along these lines |
| [01:15:12] | BULLE: | i would go for the gf4mx then |
| [01:16:14] | black_Nightmare_: | well yeah we'll just see what I can eventually find to actually buy yet ;) |
| [01:22:52] | black_Nightmare_: | bulle .. just curious if you didn't mind..what system(s) you have? |
| [01:24:22] | shaggyoaf: | how do I convince Myth to change channels when it's in "watch tv" mode? |
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| [01:26:09] | shaggyoaf: | google seems to think it's the up and down arrows, but they don't seem to be working |
| [01:26:17] | brockp: | shaggyoaf |
| [01:26:21] | brockp: | press enter |
| [01:26:47] | shaggyoaf: | brockp, it says "position saved" |
| [01:27:00] | shaggyoaf: | brockp, ...what was it supposed to do for me? |
| [01:27:14] | brockp: | is up and down changing the osd, with the channel number + description? |
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| [01:28:07] | shaggyoaf: | brockp, it says "adding char" |
| [01:28:22] | brockp: | ........ never seen that before |
| [01:28:26] | shaggyoaf: | brockp, "unknown (10:19 AM 0 minutes) |
| [01:28:46] | shaggyoaf: | brockp, can I wipe out all my settings and try again somehow? |
| [01:28:52] | shaggyoaf: | with the configuration? |
| [01:29:03] | brockp: | did you add a lineup to your tuner card? and connect something, like scheules direct or xmltv to it to get lineup data? |
| [01:29:14] | shaggyoaf: | brockp, no, I haven't gotten that far yet |
| [01:29:31] | brockp: | you will need to do that first :-) at least it worked for me |
| [01:29:37] | shaggyoaf: | ah, ok |
| [01:29:39] | shaggyoaf: | thanks |
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| [01:33:09] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: for mythtv ? |
| [01:33:12] | brockp: | you are getting video though rigth? |
| [01:33:35] | brockp: | cat /dev/video | mplayer - |
| [01:33:40] | brockp: | if you have a mpeg2 card |
| [01:33:46] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: i only have one box for mythtv, where both backend and frontend runs, its in a htpc case, and its placed right by the tv |
| [01:34:01] | black_Nightmare_: | bulle..ah hm can I ask the spec of it? |
| [01:35:30] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: sure, uhm, 1gb ram, 320gb hd, intel core 2 duo cpu running at 2.66ghz , nvidia 7300gs graphicscard, one hauppauge wintvpvr 250 card and one technotrend 1500c dvbc card, with ci and cam |
| [01:36:06] | black_Nightmare_: | nice ^_^ |
| [01:36:09] | black_Nightmare_: | sata hd I presume? |
| [01:36:17] | bsdfox: | anyone got a good solution to make mythfrontend auto restart if it crashes? has happened a couple times to me and it's a hassle to ssh into the machine just to restart it :P |
| [01:36:21] | rooaus: | Are there any Finnish people here? |
| [01:36:23] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: ye, some samsung thingy |
| [01:36:37] | BULLE: | rooaus: svensk \o/ |
| [01:36:54] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: and the whole thing is passively cooled, so its virtualy silent |
| [01:37:28] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [01:37:48] | BULLE: | ( hd makes a little noise ) |
| [01:38:15] | rooaus: | BULLE: What would the translation be for "Priority"? I am updating some themes strings. |
| [01:39:14] | BULLE: | rooaus: oh, in finnish ? no idea |
| [01:39:26] | rooaus: | The current is "Järjestä Prioriteetin Mukaan" which I presume is "Sort by Priority" :) |
| [01:39:32] | BULLE: | rooaus: mind, finland has two official languages, swedish and finnish, and in swedish its "Prioritet" |
| [01:39:33] | black_Nightmare_: | well I guess I need to work on which 3.5" hd to buy for the new multimedia (mainly audios) needs but that'll be for later.. video card and the so first of all thing |
| [01:41:06] | rooaus: | Maybe I will leave it to whoever does the translations, some of the translations were easy but others were more difficult. Oh well... thanks anyway. ;) |
| [01:41:20] | black_Nightmare_: | there's one nice silentpcreview review but the issue is its 3gb/s sata and well meh I'm not sure about bothering with either a pci controller or ata-sata bridge adapter just for that so ... well yeah ... we'll just have to see after I finally get the video card, fan, etc |
| [01:41:22] | black_Nightmare_: | ^_^ |
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| [01:50:39] | black_Nightmare_: | bulle I'm not sure its worth bothering trying to budget sata>ata bridges for old systems or is there? |
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| [01:56:42] | mchou: | black_Nightmare_: generally not |
| [01:57:34] | mchou: | almost always better off getting a new system unless you can find a bridge for *really* cheap |
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| [01:58:57] | mchou: | iirc a sata-ata bridge retails for ~$50. better off applying that to a new mobo |
| [01:59:01] | gizmobay: | Anyone here have a Harmony Remote? |
| [01:59:21] | Finswimmer: | hi, where do i get the right frequency and symbol rate for my local dvb-c provider? |
| [01:59:27] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah thats what I was thinking too.. save the $50 to spend toward the hd itself alone :p |
| [01:59:46] | black_Nightmare_: | might be interesting to try find some still-sold quiet ide 3.5" hd yet but we'll see what happens of course |
| [02:00:21] | mchou: | plenty of quiet ide drives still sold |
| [02:00:34] | mchou: | some as large as 1TB :0 |
| [02:02:23] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well it has to be 5400rpm tho so well yeah ^_^ (unless I'm missing something on a 7200rpm that doesn't make more heat) |
| [02:03:51] | mchou: | there's heat, and then there's fluid bearings |
| [02:04:27] | mchou: | you picks yer poison |
| [02:04:39] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [02:06:12] | black_Nightmare_: | well whatever hd I eventually pick I'm going to cut two foam strips (have a quite long roll of some nice thin one) then stuff it on both sides of the hd and elasticband it into place or the so ... probably do same to the optical drives too |
| [02:06:34] | black_Nightmare_: | that way it should be very little or no direct vibratation translation to the case at all |
| [02:06:41] | black_Nightmare_: | :) |
| [02:06:46] | mchou: | bah |
| [02:07:07] | mchou: | it's still transmitted by the screws |
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| [02:08:15] | black_Nightmare_: | what screws? |
| [02:08:36] | mchou: | the screws that attch thr drive to the case |
| [02:08:41] | mchou: | attach* |
| [02:09:18] | black_Nightmare_: | umm did I ever mentioned screws? :p |
| [02:09:37] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [02:16:26] | black_Nightmare_: | mchou..I'm not the only one to think of this tho...several silentpcreviews people have already done elasticband mounting and in all these cases...there's no screws anymore |
| [02:16:29] | black_Nightmare_: | naturally |
| [02:16:53] | mchou: | bah |
| [02:17:04] | mchou: | think of the heat and the rubber |
| [02:17:12] | mchou: | ping! |
| [02:17:15] | black_Nightmare_: | not really :)) |
| [02:17:25] | black_Nightmare_: | thick ones don't react much at all |
| [02:17:36] | mchou: | dude |
| [02:17:51] | mchou: | I dont care if you use car tires |
| [02:17:57] | mchou: | they still oxidize |
| [02:18:09] | mchou: | also known as dry rot |
| [02:20:49] | black_Nightmare_: | tell that to silentpcreview people..somehow it seem one of them is doing it more than a year long with no issue yet |
| [02:21:43] | djc__: | ok.. so i can play dvds.. but when i try 'import dvd', i get some message about not bing able to find myth transcoding daemon, which i havnt seen any mention of anywhere else so far.. any suggestions on what i am missing? |
| [02:22:58] | black_Nightmare_: | anyway I need to go to bed..bit long day tomorrow |
| [02:23:02] | black_Nightmare_: | bye now mchou and bulle |
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| [02:24:22] | djc__: | actually, i seem to have found what i need, perhaps |
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| [04:04:22] | H00chster: | anyone familiar with mythweather? |
| [04:04:48] | H00chster: | I can add screens but can't get down to active screens to do anything? |
| [04:04:55] | jeffery: | while set the transcoding for a recording what does "auto-detect" actually do? |
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| [04:09:35] | rooaus: | jeffery: The auto detect will select a different profile based on the source type. If originally RTjpeg/MPEG4 it uses a different profile than if the source content is MPEG2. You can change the parameters in the Recording Profiles->Transcoders. |
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| [04:13:01] | jeffery: | rooaus, thanks... I have been wanting to ask this.. what is RTjpeg format? never heard of it before. So transcoding converts friom MPEG2 to MPEG4 format ? |
| [04:16:37] | rooaus: | RTjpeg is Real Time JPEG, it uses a JPEG like compression format for each individual frame, whereas mpeg 2 does compression between a series of frames as well. RTJpeg is lower CPU utilisation that MPEG2 due to the simpler compression algo. |
| [04:18:00] | floppyears: | hi guys |
| [04:18:12] | floppyears: | I'm using mythvideo to watch some videos |
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| [04:18:26] | floppyears: | and when I use mplayer as the default player for videos it plays just fine |
| [04:18:51] | floppyears: | but when I use Internal to play the videos, the audio stutters and in my mythfrontend logs I get |
| [04:18:58] | floppyears: | WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [04:19:03] | floppyears: | any clues on how to fix this ? |
| [04:20:06] | cal: | fast forward has all of a sudden started to be choppy on my mythtv.. and the sound plays as if its not fast forwarding now.. what would cause this? |
| [04:20:33] | rooaus: | jeffery: Check what your auto detect mode is for MPEG2, I think it uses RTJpeg "out of the box" I changed my prod box to Lossless as I only transcode stuff to cut the ads out and want max quality. |
| [04:21:36] | jeffery: | rooaus, I think I changed it from RTJpeg to MPEG2.. will double check |
| [04:23:50] | jeffery: | yes it is set to MPEG4 codec |
| [04:24:02] | floppyears: | do any of you guys have run into my problem ? |
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| [04:26:10] | jeffery: | sorry floppyears can't help you |
| [04:28:25] | floppyears: | ok thanks jeffery |
| [04:32:41] | jeffery: | any idea why the transcoding operation fails: http://pastebin.com/de473cbb I did a transcoding earlier today and it went fine.. but not anymore |
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| [04:42:52] | floppyears: | jeffery: I would try out different things |
| [04:43:09] | floppyears: | first I would try transcoding without the cut list |
| [04:43:24] | floppyears: | if that doesn't work try with a different transcoding profile |
| [04:43:41] | jeffery: | floppyears, I think you may be right.. the one which got transcoded this morning did not have a cutlist |
| [04:43:42] | floppyears: | last week transcoding kept failing because I had a cut section in the beginning of the video :( |
| [04:44:02] | jeffery: | I have the same I think .. cutlist at the start |
| [04:44:17] | floppyears: | it took me forever to track down that as the issue :( |
| [04:45:04] | jeffery: | so any ideas it is fixed in svn? any bug reporst open ? |
| [04:45:42] | floppyears: | don't know |
| [04:45:52] | floppyears: | I'm running an svn checkout |
| [04:45:59] | floppyears: | but it's a few weeks old |
| [04:46:15] | jeffery: | ok |
| [04:46:15] | floppyears: | if by the next time I do an svn up it's not fixed, I'll submit a bug |
| [04:46:55] | rooaus: | floppyears: What rev you running? "mythbackend --version" should tell you. |
| [04:47:00] | jeffery: | most shows start late so will always have a start cutlist |
| [04:47:37] | floppyears: | 14355 |
| [04:50:05] | jeffery: | floppyears, I deleted the starting cut-point but it still fails .. trys without any cut list.. |
| [04:51:43] | rooaus: | There has been a few commits that affect cutlist handling by the look of it, if you update and you still have the problem please create a ticket. :) |
| [04:52:03] | floppyears: | rooaus: yep, will do |
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| [04:54:29] | jeffery: | it fails without any cutlists as well :( but this time it complains about video codec: http://pastebin.com/d6cfdeb6f oh well have to wait for next realease |
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| [05:03:19] | floppyears: | jeffery: maybe send an email to the mailing list and put a link to the file and the log so that other people can give it a try |
| [05:04:11] | jeffery: | floppyears, would it help if I am not tracking svn ? |
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| [05:11:06] | rooaus: | jeffery: What distro you using, mythbuntu has packaged weekly builds of -fixes. |
| [05:11:56] | jeffery: | I am using opensuse .. I had an update yesterday to version 0.20.2 |
| [05:12:26] | rooaus: | from 0.20.1? |
| [05:17:47] | jeffery: | actuall the earlier version was 0.20.2–2 and the one I got yesterday was 0.20.2–9 so I think it was just a build update.. not sure... I have been using it only for a week now |
| [05:18:32] | rlovelett: | I was searching for a way to have a button on my MCE remote startup the MythTV frontend. I've pretty much found the code I should be using, I just cannot seem to find the config file to put it into. I've tried using irxevent in ~/.mythtv/lircrc and nothing is happening. I've verified by both using the frontend and irw that my remote is connected and working. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| [05:20:10] | rooaus: | jeffery: You may benefit from tracking down the problem, if it is a bug it may be fixed in the -fixes branch and maybe the next opensuse update will include the fix. |
| [05:22:51] | Aval0n: | does svn make analog cable look better? |
| [05:23:06] | Aval0n: | I heard a rumor about newer deinterlacing options. |
| [05:25:53] | jeffery: | rooaus, are you referring to http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/ branch ? |
| [05:26:44] | rooaus: | rlovelett: Have you looked at irexec? |
| [05:27:56] | rlovelett: | How so? I've called it from the terminal and then pressed buttons on my remote. Nothing happened with it. |
| [05:28:12] | rooaus: | jeffery: Yes, once branched for release the release-X.Y-fixes branch should only have fixes (bug fixes) committed to it as a matter of policy. |
| [05:28:53] | jeffery: | ok, I will check the commit logs since release |
| [05:28:56] | floppyears: | jeffery: track down the problem, and do a google search <- it may take a while to find something useful in google |
| [05:29:08] | floppyears: | but that's how I figured out that my problem with transcoding was due to cutlists :( |
| [05:29:53] | floppyears: | rooaus: you can use irexec to execute a bash script in that script you can do some initialization and startup mythfrontend & backend |
| [05:30:05] | rooaus: | rlovelett: Google should help you, the purpose of irexec is to run programs in response to ir button presses. You want to press a button (power) and run a program (mythfrontend), that is what irexec is designed for. |
| [05:30:07] | floppyears: | arg, that last comment was meant for rlovelett |
| [05:30:12] | rooaus: | lol |
| [05:30:36] | floppyears: | rlovelett: in fact, I've setup my mce remote to use the pc power button to restart X & mythfrontend, quite useful :) |
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| [05:32:37] | k-man_: | i have a dual tuner usb dvb tuner |
| [05:32:42] | rlovelett: | I've setup those scripts to run it. The problem I in understanding I'm having I guess is, with MythBuntu, does irexec run always? Or does it only start running when the front end start? Because I've put the code to call commands in my configuration file. It calls the ones I've changed for Myth. But none of the ones I call before Myth. Does that make sense? |
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| [05:32:51] | k-man_: | strange thing is one of the tuners can detect more channels than the otehr |
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| [05:45:34] | Kernel: | hello all. i have a pvr-150 and for some reason the colors keep getting messed up...for example black ppl almost looked green. another time everything had a red tint to it. |
| [05:46:26] | Kernel: | i did modprobe -r ivtv and it went back to normal for a while..but then they got messed up again(i do belive its when i change a channel) |
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| [05:51:53] | rlovelett: | All right well still no luck running irexec as deamon or otherwise. But thanks anyways for the help |
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| [05:54:30] | hjohnson: | hey all.. trying to get mythweb up and running again, but getting a database setup error |
| [05:54:43] | hjohnson: | near as I can tell, my .htaccess is setup, and mod_env is loaded. |
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| [06:00:07] | hjohnson: | got it running now.. helps when apache is configured properly |
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| [06:28:33] | hjohnson: | I wish there was something good to watch video |
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| [06:35:47] | orkid: | hjohnson: you have a mythtv setup? |
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| [06:54:33] | tripppy: | any recommendations for a PCI/E twin HD tuner? DVB-t |
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| [07:00:15] | hjohnson: | orkid: yeah |
| [07:00:26] | hjohnson: | though I haven't used it in a long time, and the recording quality ain't great |
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| [09:11:55] | AL13N: | can anyone help me with DPMS issue? starting mythtv enables it, even though it's disabled on xorg.conf ... or at least so that the remote reactivates it? |
| [09:12:32] | mzb_d800: | isn't there a setting in mythfrontend somewhere? |
| [09:13:58] | AL13N: | i haven't seen it, any idea what to look for and where i can find it? |
| [09:14:48] | mzb_d800: | TV Settings ? |
| [09:26:10] | rooaus: | AL13N: I have "xset -dpms s off" in my ~/.xinitrc and that seems to work for me. |
| [09:29:41] | Floppe: | ehm, how make mythdvd behave like a normal dvd player and start with the menu? now it tries to fire of the movie at once and with some DVDs it takes the wrong title and with tv-series it doesn't work |
| [09:37:08] | Dibblah: | Floppe: Either use xine or Internal as the DVD player application. |
| [09:37:19] | Dibblah: | Depends on the version of Myth you're using. |
| [09:44:46] | Floppe: | oh.. ok. I have svn trunk |
| [09:48:16] | Floppe: | guess I have to try xine, the Internal player makes strange sounds. Maybe something with the spdif settings. |
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| [10:14:52] | AL13N: | rooaus: thanks, i'll keep that in mind |
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| [10:16:14] | rooaus: | AL13N: np |
| [10:16:16] | directhex: | i used vlc in days of yore |
| [10:16:20] | directhex: | vlc woks well |
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| [10:22:54] | rooaus: | Floppe: I think you are right about the AC3 pass thru causing your audio issues. And in Setup->Video Settings->General Settings 3rd page you can change the "On DVD insertion" action, you need to enable the Media Monitor though. |
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| [10:40:56] | Floppe: | xine works, yey |
| [11:04:24] | mzb_d800: | #1 tester can always find a way to b0rk the box :| ... bl00dy women! ;) |
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| [11:59:16] | Cry__wolf: | Hi there, have a Q that I don´t really know how to ask but will give it a try. I installed mythtv trunk version 13857 (why trunk i don´t kno) a couple of month ago and now I´m thinking if there might be some nice bugs i can get rid of with an upgrade. But i don´t whant the "edge version" but something stable. Can i do something ? |
| [12:00:04] | directhex: | you can't have "something stable" as generally downgrades aren't possible |
| [12:00:15] | directhex: | you can check out a specific revision from trunk if you want to though |
| [12:00:36] | Cry__wolf: | ah, that sounds like someting o would whant |
| [12:00:39] | directhex: | the next "stable" release for you is 0.21, which does't exist yet |
| [12:02:10] | Cry__wolf: | I didn't mean "stable" as the release, more like you said: "a specifik revision" |
| [12:03:51] | Cry__wolf: | Is there any idea when "0.21-stable" will be out ? It´s not like a can't live with the one i have now for a month or two. |
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| [12:20:01] | tafkaz: | hi there. can someone plz tell me why on only one chnannel i cant get any audio ? |
| [12:20:08] | tafkaz: | evry other channel works fine only at "kabel1" i have this issue |
| [12:20:14] | tafkaz: | no sound, still a very good picture |
| [12:20:20] | tafkaz: | no chance i could change the audio with + |
| [12:20:28] | tafkaz: | that doesnt do anyting on no channel btw |
| [12:20:39] | tafkaz: | maybe that is part of the prob |
| [12:20:46] | tafkaz: | mythfrontend simply says "audio disabled" when switching to that particular channel |
| [12:20:52] | tafkaz: | and the harddisk seems to hav a lot to do there.... |
| [12:23:19] | Cry__wolf: | I hade that problem also on Discovery, a rescan fixed it for me |
| [12:24:42] | tafkaz: | not for me....allthough i only did this: removed the one channel, did a rescan and the the problem on the newfound channel persisted |
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| [12:27:08] | Cry__wolf: | I think I deleted the card and redid everything from there. |
| [12:27:54] | tafkaz: | i dont wanna :-) |
| [12:28:18] | tafkaz: | its a pain in the ass to rebuild the tv-channel settings with dvb-s |
| [12:28:22] | tafkaz: | argh |
| [12:28:36] | tafkaz: | but actually i see myself doing it anyway |
| [12:28:38] | tafkaz: | :-9 |
| [12:29:13] | rooaus: | tafkaz: Backup the DB and give it a go, you can restore it if it doesn't fix your prob. |
| [12:29:47] | tafkaz: | well that is prolly the problem.... the now runing databse is a restoredbackup |
| [12:30:21] | tafkaz: | but i get your point.. |
| [12:30:24] | tafkaz: | now ;-) |
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| [12:32:55] | mark488: | whoa.... is anyone here? |
| [12:33:10] | mark488: | never seen it so quiet here |
| [12:34:38] | tafkaz: | its sunday |
| [12:34:49] | mark488: | ya. and early |
| [12:35:08] | tafkaz: | yup... |
| [12:35:37] | Cry__wolf: | early ? 13:36 :) |
| [12:36:40] | tafkaz: | lol yeah ! |
| [12:37:42] | mark488: | Q: tried to use myth & my pvr150 to capture to mpeg the live feed from a camcorder, but couldn't get myth to do it. It seemed myth wouldn't record from video input (svideo) unless it was a scheduled event. Ideas? Help? |
| [12:38:01] | Beirdo: | !seen fryfrog |
| [12:38:02] | MythLogBot: | fryfrog is here and has been idle for 1 day 12 hours 23 minutes 58 seconds |
| [12:39:37] | Beirdo: | frigging google. |
| [12:40:14] | Beirdo: | their crawler hit the slideshow view on my gallery and was hosing the CPU. Off go slideshows! |
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| [12:54:08] | mzb_d800: | mark488: setup the svideo input so you can select it as a channel, then go to LiveTV and press R. |
| [12:55:11] | mzb_d800: | Beirdo: robots.txt ?? |
| [12:55:26] | Beirdo: | I might do that later |
| [12:55:37] | Beirdo: | for now, I just shut off the feature that is causing pain |
| [12:56:18] | mzb_d800: | I had that for a while when I first started my gallery |
| [12:56:33] | mzb_d800: | now I've weeded out *all* search bots ;) |
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| [12:56:46] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [12:56:52] | Beirdo: | I like having the search bots |
| [12:56:59] | mzb_d800: | (the theory being it's a waste of bandwith) |
| [12:57:02] | Beirdo: | I just need to train them |
| [12:57:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [12:57:10] | Beirdo: | I get 300GB/month for free |
| [12:57:17] | Beirdo: | I really don't care about bandwidth |
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| [12:57:50] | mzb_d800: | I don't pay for upload ... but I still don't like bots taking my upload when I need it for other things |
| [12:58:07] | Beirdo: | oh, heh, this isn't on my home connection, it's on my linode |
| [12:58:58] | mzb_d800: | my only connection == home |
| [12:59:25] | cal: | fast forward has all of a sudden started to be choppy on my mythtv.. and the sound plays as if its not fast forwarding now.. what would cause this? |
| [13:00:03] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'd better go make breakfast... seeya |
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| [13:19:30] | mark488: | thanks mzb_d800, if I set svideo as an input, will it automatically show as a channel? Or is there an additional step to do? |
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| [13:20:22] | mzb_d800: | if it's not marked as "hidden" it will show |
| [13:21:02] | mark488: | hmmm, by default do you think it'll be marked as hidden or not? |
| [13:22:07] | mark488: | so, similar to some tvs/vcrs, svideo input will be listed below channel 2 and above the highest channel? |
| [13:22:12] | mzb_d800: | do you have mythweb installed? |
| [13:22:41] | mzb_d800: | do you have phpmyadmin installed? |
| [13:22:59] | mzb_d800: | either one will allow you to check | edit (easily) |
| [13:23:37] | mzb_d800: | assign a channel number to the svideo input (eg. 666) |
| [13:23:52] | mzb_d800: | go to watch TV ... press 666 |
| [13:24:08] | mzb_d800: | wait for something (like a blue screen) |
| [13:24:12] | mzb_d800: | and then press R |
| [13:24:29] | mzb_d800: | I've not tried it ... but I do have a (working) svideo input |
| [13:24:35] | mzb_d800: | you will have to experiment |
| [13:24:36] | mark488: | I'm a newbie and was using mythdora, so I'm oblivious as to whether php-anything was there. myth could browse the web, (=mythweb?) |
| [13:24:52] | mzb_d800: | ask google instead of me |
| [13:24:54] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [13:25:01] | mzb_d800: | (I'm tired) |
| [13:25:08] | mark488: | no prob |
| [13:25:11] | mzb_d800: | 12:30am |
| [13:25:14] | mark488: | thanks for the help |
| [13:25:17] | mzb_d800: | np |
| [13:25:22] | mzb_d800: | good luck |
| [13:25:46] | mark488: | whoa, where are you? asia/australia? |
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| [14:04:52] | S2: | his ip is from australia :) |
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| [14:13:03] | mark488: | thx S2 |
| [14:25:35] | fryfrog: | Beirdo: yeah, robots.txt is prolly the way to fix that :) |
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| [15:29:10] | leprasmurf: | hello all. is it possible to utilize secondary backends and/or front ends for transcoding jobs? |
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| [15:33:21] | clever: | leprasmurf: yep i do that |
| [15:33:42] | clever: | under general in mythtv-setup you have to disable a bit about running jobs on the backend they are for |
| [15:33:52] | clever: | then the job will run on any backend thats free |
| [15:34:02] | leprasmurf: | clever: the "run jobs only on servers they were created on" tick? |
| [15:34:08] | clever: | yep |
| [15:34:21] | clever: | then commflag/transcode will go to any backend |
| [15:34:25] | leprasmurf: | do I have to do anything special to get it to connect to a job queue or anything? |
| [15:34:37] | clever: | all backends check the jobqueue every 60 seconds |
| [15:34:49] | clever: | with that off they can take jobs for recordings on a diff box |
| [15:35:12] | leprasmurf: | I thought I had that already set on both backends. I'll check again though. thanks! |
| [15:35:30] | clever: | you may need to restart the backend |
| [15:35:49] | clever: | best way to see its effect is to queue up 5–10 jobs |
| [15:36:01] | clever: | so one of the backends will get full and stop taking jobs |
| [15:36:06] | leprasmurf: | is there an interface for viewing the queue? |
| [15:36:11] | clever: | if you do just 1 it will go to a random backend |
| [15:36:17] | clever: | several |
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| [15:36:35] | clever: | frontend infomationcenter systemstatus jobqueue |
| [15:36:43] | clever: | http://abackendip:6544/ |
| [15:36:48] | clever: | mythweb(i think) |
| [15:37:28] | leprasmurf: | awesome |
| [15:37:57] | clever: | :) |
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| [15:39:09] | clever: | i run mythbackend on all my frontends for this reason |
| [15:39:16] | clever: | more processing power |
| [15:39:22] | leprasmurf: | I see in the job queues that it's queued the job for my processing backend (the one without a tuner but with a better processor) I just didn't see the process in top |
| [15:39:49] | clever: | it will take about 60 seconds before it actualy starts up |
| [15:39:56] | clever: | the backend only checks for jobs that often |
| [15:39:56] | leprasmurf: | yeah, I was thinking about it, but wanted at least to get these two working |
| [15:40:03] | leprasmurf: | right |
| [15:40:12] | clever: | ive got 4 systems with myth |
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| [15:40:34] | clever: | the master corupts recordings if its got too much load(like transcoding/flagging) so i marked it to never run jobs |
| [15:40:52] | clever: | but the master can stream to 4–5 things to 3 boxes without a problem(while recording) |
| [15:41:09] | leprasmurf: | I just changed my confige to only run commercial flagging on it, I was noticing alot of jerky playback |
| [15:41:40] | clever: | when i transcode i can get my file sizes cut in half |
| [15:41:52] | leprasmurf: | to xvid? |
| [15:42:02] | clever: | just a lower quality mpeg4 |
| [15:42:52] | leprasmurf: | ha! sure enough, mythcommflag on the backends |
| [15:42:58] | leprasmurf: | guess it was working after all |
| [15:43:22] | clever: | using the job queue window you can also see jobs that finished(or erroed) |
| [15:43:30] | clever: | with transcodes you can see the before/after size |
| [15:43:38] | leprasmurf: | yeah, noticed a couple that were finished |
| [15:43:43] | leprasmurf: | how long do they stay on there? |
| [15:43:48] | clever: | you also see which host they finished on |
| [15:43:54] | clever: | not shure how long they stick arround |
| [15:44:04] | clever: | i got 7 on my list |
| [15:45:10] | leprasmurf: | cool |
| [15:45:19] | leprasmurf: | good to know it's working |
| [15:45:39] | clever: | i made my dads xp box dual boot |
| [15:45:48] | clever: | just to steal his cpu for more transcoding |
| [15:45:51] | leprasmurf: | lol |
| [15:45:55] | clever: | and so i could watch shows in that room |
| [15:46:09] | leprasmurf: | I've been keeping my wife's computer on ubuntu for transcoding mostly |
| [15:46:34] | clever: | i looked at letting the dualboot shut itself down when idle |
| [15:46:39] | clever: | so i can queue 50 jobs and start it |
| [15:46:44] | clever: | and it shut off when done |
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| [15:46:56] | clever: | but it doesnt seem to be working yet |
| [15:47:07] | leprasmurf: | not a bad idea |
| [15:47:25] | leprasmurf: | you could probably setup grub to default to the linux side so you could use wake on lan as well |
| [15:47:26] | clever: | i think i need mythwelcome running or something |
| [15:47:35] | leprasmurf: | then if your dad wants to go in, he can select windows |
| [15:47:40] | clever: | i set grub to default to xp so dad wouldnt notice it |
| [15:47:47] | leprasmurf: | ahh, gotcha |
| [15:47:56] | clever: | but if grub gets its config from the network i could change that and wakeonlan it |
| [15:48:12] | clever: | but wol only works if i shutdown from linux after running a tool |
| [15:48:21] | clever: | after xp boots it seems to disable wol |
| [15:48:33] | leprasmurf: | hrmm, thought it was built into the bios |
| [15:48:39] | leprasmurf: | haven't really played with WOL |
| [15:48:57] | clever: | the only time ive had it work with winblows was to wake it from standby |
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| [15:51:42] | leprasmurf: | well, I imagine the basic functionality would have to be built into the bios (or capability at least) I wonder if it just passes it to the MBR to get further instructions |
| [15:52:35] | clever: | the ethernet card listens for a magic packet containing a special code and the mac adr |
| [15:52:41] | leprasmurf: | ah well. Now that this is working I have no excuse for procrastinating on my chores now:-/ |
| [15:52:42] | clever: | then it sends a signal to the mobo |
| [15:52:58] | clever: | if the wol is enabled then the pc will power up(exacttly like you hit the power button) |
| [15:53:20] | leprasmurf: | huh, wonder why windows would interfere on such a low level function |
| [15:53:28] | clever: | the os has no way to realy know how it was started(enless the bios has extra stuff to save that) |
| [15:53:37] | clever: | windows probly disabled it on startup |
| [15:53:46] | clever: | or it resets to disabled after every use |
| [15:53:53] | clever: | and you need to reenable it on shutdown |
| [15:53:54] | leprasmurf: | lol, probably, unless you have server edition or something |
| [15:54:23] | leprasmurf: | alright, well thanks for the help clever |
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| [16:19:51] | jarle_: | any way to check if a videofile contains 5.1 audio or only has stereo sound? I need to check if my receiver decodes my spdif out correctly... |
| [16:19:57] | Yggdrasil: | good day, can somone help me with an ati all in wonder remote I and myth ? |
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| [16:33:42] | ali1234: | Yggdrasil: perhaps |
| [16:33:52] | Yggdrasil: | im working on it |
| [16:34:01] | Yggdrasil: | im using the lirc.cvs |
| [16:35:41] | ali1234: | does the remote work with irw yet? |
| [16:35:59] | ali1234: | does it even need lirc? |
| [16:36:11] | Yggdrasil: | no i cant get it goign with irw |
| [16:36:36] | Yggdrasil: | thats kind of where im at. |
| [16:36:43] | Yggdrasil: | yea it does need lirc as far as i can tell |
| [16:36:52] | Yggdrasil: | it has the reciever kernel module in lirc |
| [16:36:59] | directhex: | the remote wonder doesn't NEED lirc, unless you want it |
| [16:37:04] | Yggdrasil: | oh |
| [16:37:09] | Yggdrasil: | how do you load the module ? |
| [16:37:13] | directhex: | it has a kernel-based keyboard driver |
| [16:37:18] | Yggdrasil: | hmm |
| [16:37:25] | Yggdrasil: | where is documentation on this ? |
| [16:37:28] | ali1234: | so it's another of those event device remotes |
| [16:37:36] | Yggdrasil: | its been drving me nutz |
| [16:37:38] | Yggdrasil: | oh really |
| [16:37:42] | directhex: | ati_remote.ko |
| [16:37:45] | Yggdrasil: | im using debian |
| [16:37:59] | Yggdrasil: | modprove ati_remote ? |
| [16:38:00] | directhex: | just load that module for basic keyboard-style functionality |
| [16:38:08] | Yggdrasil: | that would be fine |
| [16:38:12] | ali1234: | there isnt much documentation but i just found out the proper way to use them yesterday |
| [16:38:19] | Yggdrasil: | crap |
| [16:38:22] | Yggdrasil: | its um |
| [16:38:36] | Yggdrasil: | how the hell do i get rid of all the lirc modules its loading |
| [16:38:52] | directhex: | with difficulty. lirc smells like wee. |
| [16:39:10] | ali1234: | uninstall lirc? |
| [16:39:17] | Yggdrasil: | i compiled it |
| [16:39:30] | ali1234: | 'make uninstall' and pray |
| [16:39:44] | Yggdrasil: | FATAL: Module ati_remote not found. |
| [16:40:01] | ali1234: | did you also compile your own kernel? |
| [16:40:07] | Yggdrasil: | make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
| [16:40:08] | Yggdrasil: | yes |
| [16:40:20] | ali1234: | well then, enable it and recompile... |
| [16:40:22] | directhex: | then you missed that module |
| [16:40:24] | Yggdrasil: | ok |
| [16:40:25] | Yggdrasil: | gotcha |
| [16:40:29] | directhex: | well done, wasn't compiling your own kernel worthwhile? |
| [16:40:32] | Yggdrasil: | cool got lirc removed gonn reboot |
| [16:40:35] | Yggdrasil: | me ? |
| [16:40:36] | Yggdrasil: | haha |
| [16:40:41] | Yggdrasil: | im an old schooler used to run vdr |
| [16:40:53] | Yggdrasil: | compile kernels for weeks at a time |
| [16:40:54] | directhex: | i mean, you were able to leave out modules you obviously never need. like ati_remote |
| [16:40:56] | Yggdrasil: | 20 times a day |
| [16:41:03] | directhex: | how useful and helpful |
| [16:41:06] | Yggdrasil: | oh hahah |
| [16:41:11] | Yggdrasil: | well i have a dvb-s card |
| [16:41:16] | Yggdrasil: | so i have to remove the drivers |
| [16:41:20] | Yggdrasil: | and add special drivers |
| [16:41:21] | directhex: | god knows you gain an enormous amount running gcc on localhost rather than on buildd.debian.org |
| [16:41:30] | Yggdrasil: | you hate me dont you |
| [16:41:31] | ali1234: | compiling your own kernel is worthwhile when there's a bug and your patch hasn't reached mainline yet |
| [16:41:37] | Yggdrasil: | you hate me dont you |
| [16:41:47] | directhex: | ali1234, so compile a module, time taken: 30 seconds |
| [16:42:05] | Yggdrasil: | so then cant i jsut compile that module ? |
| [16:42:11] | Yggdrasil: | ati_remote |
| [16:42:20] | directhex: | i hate people who've read linux manuals from the 1990s & feel TEH COMPILEZ0R! – it's not as if you gain an iota of speed when you're using gcc |
| [16:42:31] | Yggdrasil: | so you do hate me |
| [16:42:34] | ** Yggdrasil cries ** | |
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| [16:42:57] | ali1234: | of course you can |
| [16:43:28] | ali1234: | anyway, when you do get the module loaded, you will probably find that no buttons other than 0–9 and perhaps volume will work |
| [16:43:35] | Yggdrasil: | doh |
| [16:43:42] | Yggdrasil: | thats what i was kind of thinking |
| [16:43:47] | Yggdrasil: | hence the need for lirc ? |
| [16:43:52] | ali1234: | at this point you need to remap the other buttons using xmodmap (use xev to find the keycodes) |
| [16:44:07] | directhex: | most of the keys work. or used to back in the day. when i were a lad. |
| [16:44:09] | GreyFoxx: | or edit the ati_remote.c source |
| [16:44:11] | ali1234: | no, using lirc to remap keycodes is dumb when that's what xmodmap is for |
| [16:44:31] | Yggdrasil: | ok ill do it this way im going in to find that kern module now brb |
| [16:44:42] | GreyFoxx: | Is it actually an ati remote wonder or just one of the similar ones ? |
| [16:44:51] | Yggdrasil: | its an actual |
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| [16:44:56] | Yggdrasil: | a wonder I |
| [16:45:14] | GreyFoxx: | I have a remote aorund here that was from the same reference design |
| [16:45:23] | Yggdrasil: | 23600 |
| [16:45:44] | GreyFoxx: | I've used it for the last 3 or 4 years up until a couple months ago when it finally stared dying :) |
| [16:46:40] | Yggdrasil: | :( |
| [16:46:49] | Yggdrasil: | well i bought this thing |
| [16:46:54] | Yggdrasil: | and i used windows for a while |
| [16:46:58] | Yggdrasil: | but then i started running vdr |
| [16:47:04] | Yggdrasil: | and threw it in a box |
| [16:47:10] | GreyFoxx: | I had to hackup ati_remote to support it, but it was nice to avoid the lirc problems over the years |
| [16:47:14] | Yggdrasil: | and now i kinda need it. |
| [16:47:24] | Yggdrasil: | how did you hack it ? |
| [16:47:27] | directhex: | lirc is smelly |
| [16:47:29] | GreyFoxx: | but I've now switched to MCE remotes and I gotta say, it was dead simple to setup and has been stabnle as heck |
| [16:47:36] | Yggdrasil: | hmm |
| [16:47:42] | Yggdrasil: | i was thinking about that too |
| [16:47:59] | ** directhex wants someone less stupid than himself to make the ps3 bluetooth remote a first-class input device for linux ** | |
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| [16:48:04] | GreyFoxx: | Yggdrasil: hadd to add the usb identifiers to detect it, had to alter the code as the datapacks from the remote were slightly different |
| [16:48:19] | Yggdrasil: | ahh because its not a true ati all in wonder? |
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| [16:48:53] | GreyFoxx: | the driver was written for the remote wonder, so yeah I gad to alter it to work with mine |
| [16:49:04] | directhex: | hey GreyFoxx, i'll buy you a remote if you make a less sucky driver than my own |
| [16:49:07] | ali1234: | directhex: how is it not "first-class"? just interested... |
| [16:49:51] | Yggdrasil: | well i ve been using the twinhan remote |
| [16:49:52] | directhex: | ali1234, it's only supported at the moment by 2 python scripts. one sends commands to mythtv's telnet interface, one (mine) sends keyboard commands via the uinput kernel module. either way, it's not entirely user-friendly |
| [16:49:55] | Yggdrasil: | and its got like 11 keys |
| [16:50:00] | Yggdrasil: | so i had to really get creative |
| [16:50:08] | ali1234: | doesn't it work like every other bluetooth hid? |
| [16:50:13] | Yggdrasil: | but myth has so much more functionality i decided i neede a new remote |
| [16:50:35] | directhex: | ali1234, that's the theory. in practice it identifies as a HID device but doesn't export any valid keys |
| [16:50:59] | directhex: | ali1234, so you have to resort to grabbing packets via rfcomm, and interpreting them. |
| [16:52:24] | ali1234: | this is the special dvd player remote thing, same as the PS2 one? not just the normal controller? |
| [16:53:00] | directhex: | ali1234, http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ci . . . c00110.L.jpg |
| [16:54:08] | ali1234: | yes. and when you say "valid keys" – does it export "invalid" ones that you can see with xev? |
| [16:54:37] | directhex: | no, it doesn't show any valid keys at all |
| [16:54:44] | directhex: | the HID profile it presents is empty |
| [16:55:53] | Yggdrasil: | honestly i wa sjugt going to make up a serial lirc thing and program my chamelion remote with some nice pvr settings |
| [16:56:10] | Yggdrasil: | i guesse that would be a real bitch too |
| [16:56:29] | directhex: | Yggdrasil, oh, it can work. lirc is pain, but it can work |
| [16:56:37] | directhex: | i used to use an one-for-all kameleon for it |
| [16:56:58] | Yggdrasil: | yep thats what i got |
| [16:57:25] | Yggdrasil: | newway ok ill bbl im ocmpilng kernel |
| [16:57:30] | Yggdrasil: | gonna go make some pankaces |
| [16:59:15] | ali1234: | that remote control looks pretty good. not needing line of sight is a big plus, also it's half the price of the MCE one |
| [16:59:50] | directhex: | ali1234, it's all about the drivers. my driver works, but isn't sustainable |
| [17:00:11] | directhex: | i.e. you need to re-run the binding process on boot, and pray python doesn't *gently caress* up. which it does. i don't like python |
| [17:00:11] | ali1234: | of course. have you looked at some PS3 linux distro? maybe they have a kernel patch? |
| [17:00:25] | directhex: | yes, i've looked at ps3 linux. it's a heap of shit |
| [17:00:26] | ali1234: | ... write it in something else? |
| [17:00:31] | ali1234: | heh |
| [17:01:05] | directhex: | see http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10273 for thoughts on ps3 linux |
| [17:01:27] | ali1234: | there's a kernel patch for the bluetooth SIXAXIS – whatever that is |
| [17:02:34] | directhex: | the controller |
| [17:02:42] | directhex: | which is distinct from the remote |
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| [17:16:00] | sebrock: | is the pinout for 2.5" SATA the same as for 3.5"? |
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| [17:27:33] | Yggdrasil: | still compiling |
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| [17:32:12] | Der_Thomas: | Hey there peeps, I'm having trouble with comm flagging wondering if anyone can help me figure it out |
| [17:32:49] | Der_Thomas: | My recoedings are marked as comm flagged in the menu list of recordings, but when I try to skip a commercial, it says "not flagged" |
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| [17:33:24] | Der_Thomas: | I tried this on my BE/FE combo and on my stand alone FE, so I think that it is a BE problem |
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| [18:02:58] | ali1234: | directhex: are you using the python script that has a massive block of if's like: if (data.encode("hex")) == "a101000000ffffffffffff0005" |
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| [18:18:00] | JDStone: | anyone else using MythTV with Ubuntu |
| [18:18:15] | JDStone: | all the mythtv related programs seg fault when they are started |
| [18:19:30] | JDStone: | I'm using the latest MythTV Ubuntu package |
| [18:21:01] | ali1234: | it works for me... |
| [18:21:19] | ali1234: | you're not using xinerama are you? |
| [18:22:52] | JDStone: | nope |
| [18:23:01] | JDStone: | this just started after I did a recent ubuntu upate |
| [18:23:07] | JDStone: | I'm using Gutsy |
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| [18:29:56] | ali1234: | ask in #ubuntu if you havn't already |
| [18:31:10] | ** xand runs gutsy, no such problems for me ** | |
| [18:31:32] | xand: | a mythweb problem though |
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| [18:33:13] | JDStone: | ali1234: I have, but I'll try asking again, thanks. |
| [18:33:39] | JDStone: | ali1234: what about removing MythTV and then re-installing it |
| [18:33:46] | JDStone: | would that make a difference? |
| [18:33:53] | ali1234: | i doubt it |
| [18:33:59] | JDStone: | didn't think so |
| [18:34:02] | ali1234: | what video card do you use btw? |
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| [18:41:43] | mchou: | alright. what's the general procedure to troubleshoot prebuffer pauses? |
| [18:42:07] | mchou: | figured out that's what causing the frontend to bail |
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| [18:43:07] | mchou: | this didn't happen with older versions of myth |
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| [18:44:09] | hpitelka: | is there any way to get program schedules into mythtv for free? |
| [18:44:35] | Dr_willis: | depends on where you are at i belive. |
| [18:45:05] | hpitelka: | well schedulesdirect has my TV lineup in it, but they want me to pay. |
| [18:45:28] | hpitelka: | www.zap2it.com also has my tv lineup, but i'm not sure if there is a way to download those into mythv |
| [18:45:37] | JDStone: | ali1234: Geforce 7300 GS |
| [18:45:40] | Dr_willis: | hpitelka, not any more with zap2it i belive. |
| [18:45:48] | Dr_willis: | easy route is pay the $20 to schedulesdirect |
| [18:45:57] | Dr_willis: | I need to send them some $$ someday myself. |
| [18:46:27] | Dr_willis: | some channels/cable providers broadcase the lineups. but not looked into that myself. |
| [18:49:15] | hpitelka: | how would i find out if my provider does? |
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| [18:49:50] | Dr_willis: | no idea. enable the feature in mythtv and see if it works I guess. :) |
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| [18:54:07] | ali1234: | move to the UK and use EIT |
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| [18:55:45] | lt_james: | hello!!! |
| [18:56:13] | lt_james: | I am getting some problems with scanning TV channels |
| [18:57:05] | ali1234: | are you using dvb or analogue or what? |
| [18:57:47] | lt_james: | mythtv doesn't find anyone... I am using a WinTV HVR 3000 Trio... It has a Philips tveeprom; it uses cx8800 driver; |
| [18:57:59] | lt_james: | It has both on the same connector |
| [18:58:14] | lt_james: | ali1234: I am trying with analogue |
| [18:58:43] | lt_james: | ali1234: but it does not find dvb-t neither |
| [18:58:43] | ali1234: | i don't know about analogue |
| [18:58:55] | lt_james: | ali1234: and what about dvb-t? |
| [18:59:36] | lt_james: | ali1234: it is connected to the anthena too; My neighbourhood sends dvb-t through the normal anthena |
| [18:59:57] | ali1234: | when i tune dvb i have to do a "tuned" scan, which picks up the other transports, then a "scan existing transports" to get all the other channels |
| [19:00:37] | ali1234: | if i just do "full scan" it does not find anything |
| [19:00:46] | ali1234: | also i have to turn on "ignore signal time out" |
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| [19:01:24] | lt_james: | ali1234: and where do I do the tunned scan? |
| [19:01:38] | ali1234: | the same place as the full scan |
| [19:01:45] | ali1234: | in the mythtv channel editor thingy |
| [19:02:08] | lt_james: | ali1234: I am having problems with it too; :( |
| [19:02:17] | lt_james: | It does not finish |
| [19:02:53] | ali1234: | scanning all frequencies on a dual card would take ages. are you sure it isn't just taking a long time? |
| [19:03:20] | lt_james: | ali1234: if I ask one source it says it found an unexpected end of file |
| [19:03:33] | ali1234: | then your card probably isnt set up properly |
| [19:03:39] | ali1234: | "probably" |
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| [19:04:14] | lt_james: | ali1234: it must be that, because it is found and recoginized |
| [19:04:26] | ali1234: | not necessarily |
| [19:04:57] | lt_james: | ali1234: my Operating System knows it's name, it's manufacturer... |
| [19:05:08] | ali1234: | doesn't matter |
| [19:05:13] | ali1234: | is it usb or pci? |
| [19:05:19] | lt_james: | pci |
| [19:05:24] | ali1234: | have you checked for errors in dmesg? |
| [19:06:19] | lt_james: | i thought about it; i'll have a look again and I tell you; if I'm not wrong I did't find anything |
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| [19:11:32] | lt_james: | ali1234: hang on, please... I'm looking for something on my logs |
| [19:12:48] | lt_james: | ali1234: I found 3 lines that could be something... I am not very sure: |
| [19:13:54] | lt_james: | cx2702_readreg: readreg error (ret == -121) |
| [19:14:29] | lt_james: | cx88[0]: frontend initialization failed |
| [19:15:02] | ali1234: | yep that's very bad |
| [19:15:13] | lt_james: | and now three more lines with a value -1 and -19 --> |
| [19:15:29] | lt_james: | very bad? |
| [19:15:39] | ali1234: | note frontend in this context is not the same as mythtv frontend, it's the actually reciever device |
| [19:15:51] | ali1234: | if that isn't initialized dvb wont work. maybe analogue still would, but i dont have one of those cards so i dont know |
| [19:15:53] | lt_james: | pufff... |
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| [19:16:42] | lt_james: | ali1234: so, I have to look for how to fix that |
| [19:17:00] | ali1234: | yeah try http://linuxtv.org |
| [19:17:07] | ali1234: | look in their wiki |
| [19:18:10] | lt_james: | ali1234: ok, thx!!! If I manage to do something I'll make you know |
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| [19:21:20] | pembo13_com_: | my mythtv performance seems to be getting worse on worse |
| [19:21:38] | pembo13_com_: | now i can't watch livetv and i'm getting "MythSocket(abe07568:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected" |
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| [19:22:13] | mchou: | pembo13_com_: bah, livetv on myth isn't meant for "production" use |
| [19:22:18] | pembo13_com_: | i was using it just last night, today, it doesn't work |
| [19:22:27] | pembo13_com_: | mchou, what does that mean? |
| [19:22:46] | mchou: | pembo13_com_: it means devs dont care much about livetv |
| [19:22:52] | pembo13_com_: | i see |
| [19:23:09] | mchou: | meaning it's not top priority |
| [19:23:15] | pembo13_com_: | that sucks |
| [19:23:40] | mchou: | livetv is used more or less as a debugging tool is all |
| [19:24:07] | mchou: | if you have myth and watch livetv, you're not groking the purpose of myth :) |
| [19:25:22] | mchou: | you want to watch livetv on the comp, use something like tvtime |
| [19:25:27] | pembo13_com_: | mchou, pausing? hitting record? that isn't part of the purpose of mythtv? |
| [19:26:26] | feiner: | another good thing to use mythtv livetv for is you can run a frontend on your laptop or whatever and watch tv pretty much anywhere within reach of your network |
| [19:26:33] | ali1234: | tvtime only supports analogue |
| [19:26:44] | mchou: | pembo13_com_: not really, that does not encapsulate the appropriate usage model for myth |
| [19:27:43] | mchou: | ali1234: says who? |
| [19:27:56] | Der_Thomas: | I'm having trouble with comm flagging wondering if anyone can help me figure it out |
| [19:28:03] | Der_Thomas: | My recoedings are marked as comm flagged in the menu list of recordings, but when I try to skip a commercial, it says "not flagged" |
| [19:28:04] | mchou: | ali1234: you want hd xine and mplayer both do the trick |
| [19:28:21] | mchou: | well, live HD |
| [19:28:23] | Der_Thomas: | I tried this on my BE/FE combo and on my stand alone FE, so I think that it is a BE problem |
| [19:28:50] | ali1234: | what about tv guide? |
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| [19:29:16] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: what methods do you have set for commercial flagging |
| [19:29:50] | mchou: | this is really pissing me off |
| [19:30:03] | pembo13_com: | mchou, so what is it intended for? |
| [19:30:06] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: "All Available Methods" and Strict is checked |
| [19:30:17] | feiner: | try unchecking strict |
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| [19:31:23] | feiner: | strict means that it has to be absolutely positively sure its a commercial, i think. |
| [19:32:16] | Der_Thomas: | feiner, yeah I'll give it a shot |
| [19:33:09] | Der_Thomas: | so if a recording gets comm flagged but it finds no commercials, would it say "not flagged" or just say that it is at the end? |
| [19:34:19] | Der_Thomas: | because the strange thing is that the comm flagged icon shows up in the recordings menu, but when I actually try to skip one, it THEN says not flagged |
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| [19:35:47] | feiner: | i beilieve it would say that its been flagged, just so it doesnt try and check it again and they probably dont wanna have to keep 2 seperate things in the database for flag job done and whether or not it actually has comercials cause it would get confusing i think |
| [19:37:48] | Der_Thomas: | maybe, but you you know how if you are watching a recording and you have already made it past the last commercial and you hit SKIP, it wouldn't say "not flagged" it would say "already at end" or something like that |
| [19:38:23] | feiner: | i dunno, never pay that much attention cause it usually works |
| [19:38:31] | Der_Thomas: | haha |
| [19:38:32] | Der_Thomas: | right |
| [19:38:55] | feiner: | does it not work on any of your shows, or just from certain channels or what |
| [19:39:23] | Der_Thomas: | all shows, even ones that were recorded quite some time ago |
| [19:39:31] | directhex: | ali1234, give me SOME credit. i fixed that horrid code up & just looked at the relevant sections of the datagram |
| [19:39:47] | Der_Thomas: | BTW, this is something that DID work and I didn't change anything with my system |
| [19:40:06] | ali1234: | yes, i've tracked down your latest code already :) |
| [19:40:20] | ali1234: | still, it could be improved :P |
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| [19:41:43] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: didnt update or anything? i dunno what it could be if absolutely nothing had changed when it started |
| [19:41:59] | directhex: | ali1234, it could be purged with flame! |
| [19:42:28] | directhex: | ali1234, you think i'd use a language like python if i wasn't "improving" things done by others? |
| [19:42:55] | Der_Thomas: | yeah, well I have noticed settings mysteriously change before |
| [19:43:19] | lt_james: | ali1234: I have read on my kernel docs that the driver I am using supports my pci card; so, It must be something about setting the driver up, loading it or something about that... I'll continue looking for and I tell you |
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| [19:43:26] | Der_Thomas: | I've always wondered how stable the platform really is |
| [19:43:45] | Der_Thomas: | feiner, no, no updates |
| [19:43:57] | Der_Thomas: | not even sure when it started |
| [19:44:29] | feiner: | silly question but, have you tried updating? |
| [19:45:07] | Der_Thomas: | no, I'm running the latest "Stable" version |
| [19:45:16] | Der_Thomas: | no need to update |
| [19:45:17] | lee33t: | hi |
| [19:45:33] | ali1234: | people who complain about python are always using it wrong, as if it was some low level language. it isn't. |
| [19:45:47] | lee33t: | please I need to find a good tuner for Timer Warnder cable |
| [19:45:48] | lee33t: | thanks |
| [19:45:50] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: compile or bin package? |
| [19:46:18] | directhex: | ali1234, i know it isn't. but as i said, it's based on code by other people. which is all python |
| [19:46:27] | directhex: | ali1234, i just don't like the language |
| [19:46:33] | Der_Thomas: | lee33t: you don't need anything special for a cable co, I use a PVR-150 with time warner, but you can use anything |
| [19:47:43] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: comp on my BE (SuSE 10.2) and bin on my FE (Ubuntu 7.04) |
| [19:48:05] | mchou: | anyone remember where to set realtime priority in myth? |
| [19:48:09] | Perdignus: | Hi – for some reason, on a new frontend laptop I setup, I can't see the main menu title labels, but navigating them works, can someone offer me some insight please? |
| [19:48:57] | Der_Thomas: | Perdignus: SDL problem? |
| [19:49:12] | mchou: | Perdignus: always check to log |
| [19:49:12] | feiner: | maybe a link somewhere that leads to the com flagging app is broke so mythtv sends the command and doesnt really check anything after that to see if it actually gets done |
| [19:49:31] | mchou: | s/to/the |
| [19:49:44] | Der_Thomas: | feiner, yeah, that sounds about right |
| [19:49:49] | lee33t: | Der_Thomas: anything? |
| [19:49:54] | Perdignus: | Der_Thomas I didn't think Mythfrontend used SDL, but that might be the problem if it does |
| [19:50:20] | feiner: | run mythtv-setup and see what the commercial flagging command is cause it can be set somewhere in there |
| [19:50:25] | Der_Thomas: | feiner, I just don't have any idea how to troubleshoot that |
| [19:50:46] | Der_Thomas: | Perdignus: actually you are right, I was thinking about game emulators |
| [19:51:19] | Der_Thomas: | lee33t, yeah, anything listed on the wiki to work with myth / linux |
| [19:51:39] | lee33t: | oh |
| [19:52:01] | lee33t: | Der_Thomas: I hope is sold in NewEgg |
| [19:52:25] | Der_Thomas: | lee33t, yeah, but prob cheaper on ebay |
| [19:52:51] | Der_Thomas: | lee33t: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card |
| [19:54:48] | Der_Thomas: | lee33t, there is a PRV-150 on ebay right now for ~$30.00 shipped |
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| [19:55:22] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: it should be mythcommflag, at least it is on mine, then try running it in a terminal with -h or --help or something and see if it runs |
| [19:55:50] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: good idea |
| [19:56:28] | lee33t: | Der_Thomas: I kinda don't trust eBay... you I know ppl purchased there and the assholes shipped crap hardware that broke down after thre uses |
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| [19:56:52] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: if somehow it got deleted or altered in mythtv-setup it obviously wouldnt run either |
| [19:56:57] | Der_Thomas: | lee33t: bought ALL of my stuff there |
| [19:57:09] | lee33t: | mm... |
| [19:57:13] | feiner: | lee33t: ebays ok, go on feedback and use paypal |
| [19:57:17] | lee33t: | Der_Thomas: interesting |
| [19:57:42] | feiner: | if your concerned more about return policy, and customer service then use newegg |
| [19:57:46] | lee33t: | even for the whole computer? RAM mobo, cpu, etc? |
| [19:58:22] | ali1234: | don't buy new computers, recycle them instead |
| [19:58:22] | lee33t: | last time I bought from neweeg over $1500 in stuff ALL worked outta the box |
| [19:58:34] | ali1234: | i havn't paid for a computer in 10 years |
| [19:58:52] | mchou: | lol |
| [19:58:56] | feiner: | and if it doesnt and you buy it on newegg dont rma it to manufacturer cause newegg is way better |
| [19:59:03] | lee33t: | what didn't work the fuxking customers NOT paying me |
| [19:59:07] | mchou: | fleabay sucks |
| [19:59:13] | lee33t: | ali1234: w00t |
| [19:59:20] | mchou: | craigslist works :) |
| [19:59:27] | lee33t: | LMAO@fleabay |
| [19:59:43] | Der_Thomas: | lee33t: mostly, I bought my BE stuff new as a desktop forget from where, bought my FE mobo from ebay, my capture card from ebay |
| [19:59:52] | Der_Thomas: | all worked "out of the box" |
| [19:59:55] | mchou: | there is no real need to get latest stuff for myth |
| [19:59:58] | Dibblah: | Nothing wrong with ebay. |
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| [20:00:08] | Der_Thomas: | my IR receiver from ebay |
| [20:00:14] | Dibblah: | Bringing con-artists and victims together since 1999! |
| [20:00:21] | mchou: | ebay is only as good as the sellers (which is not very good) |
| [20:00:31] | lee33t: | mm.. ok gonna check now. |
| [20:00:37] | Der_Thomas: | bought my remote from ebay |
| [20:00:55] | mchou: | not to mention you pay thru the nose for shipping on fleabay |
| [20:01:19] | lee33t: | Dibblah: sometimes I check the feedback and ALL post are GREAT, FANTASTIC with a 99% reting. I suspect those are auto-generated self-feedback |
| [20:01:35] | mchou: | its not often shipping gets aggregated on multiple items on fleabay |
| [20:01:37] | feiner: | seller rating is something important to look at, if you are dissing ebay you are either paranoid or have never used it |
| [20:01:47] | ali1234: | true that... that's so that when you try to get a refund, they only have to give you the £0.01 you paid for the item, and not the £5 you paid for shipping |
| [20:01:53] | mchou: | feiner: I've used ebay plenty |
| [20:01:55] | lee33t: | feiner: never used it |
| [20:02:12] | mchou: | enough to know that you pay too much for substandard stuff |
| [20:02:12] | lee33t: | but I know somebody how did and two items came out wrong |
| [20:02:23] | mchou: | craigslist is way better |
| [20:02:25] | feiner: | granted i woudn't use it on something redicoulously expensive, most expensive thing i've bought off it was 200 |
| [20:02:29] | Dibblah: | Shop around. Buy at your price / service level happiness point. |
| [20:02:59] | mchou: | ppl who think they get a "deal" on ebay are seriously deluded |
| [20:03:06] | ** Dibblah wishes ebay would just add a "total" column. That'd kill most of the con-artists. ** | |
| [20:03:17] | ali1234: | i basically only buy broken stuff on ebay, when i know i can fix it. if the guy was out to rip me off, he wouldn't say it was broken in advance now, would he? |
| [20:03:28] | mchou: | Dibblah: I thought they have that now |
| [20:03:31] | Dibblah: | Not really. It's a prime way for small CN manufacturers to sell mass-market stuff. |
| [20:03:33] | Dibblah: | Nope. |
| [20:03:37] | Der_Thomas: | yeah, really if you have the money, but new from new egg, if you are watching how much you spend, buy on ebay. You just need to watch what you are doing |
| [20:03:43] | lee33t: | mm.. I've noticed intelligent ppl never buy Dell, HP and those type of brands for desktops |
| [20:03:52] | mchou: | Dibblah: there is a way to show total including shipping |
| [20:03:54] | Dibblah: | You can display "shipping cost" as well as "price", but not "total" :( |
| [20:03:54] | Der_Thomas: | s/but/buy/ |
| [20:04:11] | feiner: | haha yeah total colum that tells you the shipping and handling that they charge |
| [20:04:33] | Dibblah: | It's all just about fee avoidance. |
| [20:05:01] | mchou: | no, that used to be teh excuse |
| [20:05:05] | lee33t: | product $3, shipping $40. WOW I got this really stuff at a bargain price $3!!! |
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| [20:05:11] | mchou: | lol |
| [20:05:12] | Dibblah: | Note to self: when considering moaning and bitching about capping ISPs, check QoS settings on router first. |
| [20:05:18] | mchou: | my point exactly :) |
| [20:05:35] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: I ran "mythcommflag --all" that is supposed to re-comm flag all your recordings |
| [20:05:42] | Dibblah: | I'd capped myself at 1Mbit :( |
| [20:05:53] | mchou: | Der_Thomas: there is nothing wrong with buying HP and Dell |
| [20:06:12] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: it is shooting hundreds of "[mpeg2video @ 0xb724e568]warning: first frame is no keyframe" errors |
| [20:06:15] | mchou: | in fact dell desktops are pretty well designed for noise |
| [20:06:19] | ali1234: | unless you buy a Dell GX270 and the capacitors explode |
| [20:06:24] | Der_Thomas: | mchou: never said there was |
| [20:06:32] | feiner: | some people are just stupid enough to not realize it doesnt cost 100 or 200 dollars to ship something thats like 5 inches and not fragile or heavy |
| [20:06:43] | mchou: | capacitors exploding happens to virtually everyone |
| [20:06:54] | Der_Thomas: | mchou: I toured the Dell plant in Nashville where they make the desktops. It was very nice |
| [20:07:05] | mchou: | Der_Thomas: Nashville?? |
| [20:07:11] | ali1234: | eventually.... Dell even admits the GX270 problem though |
| [20:07:12] | lee33t: | mchou: I picked an 1995 dell off the street and I was suprised at their LEGO type of assembly |
| [20:07:14] | mchou: | wow, I thought it was in TX |
| [20:07:20] | ali1234: | i guess you can just RMA it :) |
| [20:07:39] | Der_Thomas: | I think that there is something in Tx too, but I was at a huge plant in Nashville |
| [20:07:57] | mchou: | Der_Thomas: interesting..... |
| [20:08:14] | Der_Thomas: | I saw them putting the new Linux images onto boxes |
| [20:08:28] | mchou: | in any case, dell desktops are fine as long as you dont get caught by dell crazy pricing |
| [20:08:29] | Der_Thomas: | kinda fun playing dumb about Linux and asking them about it |
| [20:08:45] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: how are they encoded? |
| [20:08:51] | mchou: | lol |
| [20:08:57] | lee33t: | Der_Thomas: lol!! |
| [20:09:00] | mchou: | linux encoding? |
| [20:09:25] | feiner: | mp2 hardware, or software? or already transcoded? |
| [20:09:30] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: not sure what you mean but if I get your question it is mpeg 2 off of my pvr-150 |
| [20:09:37] | feiner: | k |
| [20:09:42] | feiner: | thats what i meant |
| [20:09:55] | lee33t: | ok since I am making this from scratch, what's important? RAM, CPU and GPU? |
| [20:09:55] | mchou: | anyway, avoid fleabay like plague |
| [20:10:16] | mchou: | good deals are far and few |
| [20:10:18] | lee33t: | is this ok? Nvidia 8000+AMD+2G ram? |
| [20:10:35] | mchou: | I've had much better lick on craigslist |
| [20:10:41] | mchou: | luck* |
| [20:10:49] | Der_Thomas: | lee33t, I'm sure that is fine. What you really need / want is LOTS of HD space |
| [20:11:08] | mchou: | 8000 for a myth box? That's excessive |
| [20:11:12] | lee33t: | oh ok |
| [20:11:14] | feiner: | lee33t: gpu not to important, cpu will determine how many transcode/comflag jobs can be done how fast, ram one gig is ok 2 is plenty |
| [20:11:32] | lee33t: | ok thanks |
| [20:11:37] | ali1234: | yeah save the money for buying big HDs |
| [20:11:40] | mchou: | most myth boxes are overspec'd |
| [20:11:55] | lee33t: | 500GB ok? |
| [20:11:59] | mchou: | yeah, most budget should be for HDDs |
| [20:12:17] | Der_Thomas: | mchou, well that is what I thought too, but my VIA EPIA-M 10k kind of sucks for a mythFE |
| [20:12:17] | feiner: | sata hd if you are gonna have a couple tuners recording at once |
| [20:12:22] | mchou: | lee33t: that depends on how much TV you watch |
| [20:12:23] | lee33t: | like two 250, by the way Maxtor, Seagate, Samsung or Hytachi? |
| [20:12:35] | mchou: | Der_Thomas: EPIA sucks all around :) |
| [20:12:46] | feiner: | I prefer seagate, |
| [20:12:50] | Der_Thomas: | mchou, yeah I think that I figured that out |
| [20:13:01] | lee33t: | I do'nt watch TV is for somebody else, who has TV on 24h |
| [20:13:02] | mchou: | lee33t: I recommend getting the biggest drive you can afford |
| [20:13:05] | ali1234: | seagate own maxtor now :/ |
| [20:13:25] | Der_Thomas: | mchou, I thought that it would be good as a quiet FE |
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| [20:13:42] | mchou: | in fact some maxtor drives are exactly the same as seagate drives now |
| [20:14:02] | feiner: | do they have a 5 year warranty |
| [20:14:05] | ali1234: | also try to buy HDs that have accoustic management |
| [20:14:06] | mchou: | Der_Thomas: you've already figured out EPIA is a royal PITA |
| [20:14:11] | lee33t: | can't wait for SSD |
| [20:14:20] | feiner: | id spend the extra 5–10 bucks for a 5 year insteada 1 year |
| [20:14:30] | mchou: | maxtors in general dont have 5 yr warranty afaik |
| [20:14:42] | mchou: | iirc maxtor is 3 |
| [20:14:54] | lee33t: | I am glad we are getting rid of cumbersome technology: Optical Drives, Floppies, Mechanical HDD's |
| [20:14:56] | feiner: | 3 is better than 1 but not as good as 5 |
| [20:15:30] | mchou: | I dont think there are 1 yr warranties anymore on HDD |
| [20:15:35] | feiner: | where are optical drives and hdds going? they will be here for a long time |
| [20:15:50] | mchou: | even western digital has increased their warranty periods |
| [20:15:51] | feiner: | a lot of people have hdds die right after the warranty is up |
| [20:16:16] | Der_Thomas: | haha, my FE is running on a 4GB disk from like 10 years ago |
| [20:16:16] | feiner: | oh, i duno havent bought a hdd in a few years |
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| [20:16:22] | mchou: | I think the minimum is 3 yrs. right now |
| [20:16:31] | Der_Thomas: | I just mount my media on it from my BE |
| [20:16:36] | Der_Thomas: | via smb |
| [20:16:49] | Der_Thomas: | I have actually NEVER had a HDD die |
| [20:16:53] | feiner: | yeah, some seem to last forever, i think a big thing is if you start and stop it all the time or just let it run |
| [20:17:10] | Der_Thomas: | 24/7 on for me |
| [20:17:14] | feiner: | neither have i but it appearantly happens to lots of people though |
| [20:17:23] | mchou: | I've had it happen |
| [20:17:33] | mchou: | and it's a royal pain in the ass |
| [20:17:46] | feiner: | 24/7 is better on hdds i think cause the motor has to work lots harder to start spinning than to keep spinning |
| [20:17:49] | mchou: | I dont think the warranty is worth paying extra for |
| [20:18:00] | mchou: | cause they send you a refurb |
| [20:18:13] | mchou: | who knows if the refurb is any better |
| [20:18:19] | Der_Thomas: | mchou: you buy it on ebay :~) |
| [20:18:33] | mchou: | no, just go get a new drive |
| [20:18:41] | mchou: | write off the bad one |
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| [20:18:52] | mchou: | sell it on fleabay :) |
| [20:19:32] | Der_Thomas: | hhaa |
| [20:19:33] | mchou: | mystery refurbs HDDs are lame |
| [20:19:35] | lee33t: | pwnd |
| [20:19:55] | feiner: | look on newegg its not like its much more for a seagate thats the same size, in all actuallity it should be less unless they are letting other companies use perpendicular recording or the other companies have another way of packing more than 80 gb on one platter |
| [20:20:08] | Der_Thomas: | yeah, but you can prob find interesting things on those ebay HDDs |
| [20:20:41] | feiner: | yeah, some old porn |
| [20:20:52] | feiner: | or someones bussiness data |
| [20:20:57] | Der_Thomas: | old pr0n yum |
| [20:20:58] | Der_Thomas: | haha |
| [20:21:02] | mchou: | Der_Thomas: no, I think most ppl are smart about disposing old HDDs |
| [20:21:13] | Der_Thomas: | yeah right |
| [20:21:19] | lee33t: | anybod here know how many hdd in raid0 takes to cap SATA throuput? |
| [20:21:21] | mchou: | there are plenty of utils to do wipes on HDDs now |
| [20:21:29] | mchou: | all free |
| [20:21:32] | feiner: | lee33t, never will |
| [20:21:44] | lee33t: | oh |
| [20:21:52] | feiner: | you'll cap throughput of pcibus or something else |
| [20:21:56] | mchou: | good enough wipes that the govt will have trouble recovering |
| [20:21:56] | lee33t: | not even with 7.400rpm's? |
| [20:22:04] | lee33t: | ok |
| [20:22:06] | feiner: | the whole point of sata is they all have their own channel |
| [20:22:51] | feiner: | pata 2 drives on one channel is slow especially when trying to access both so thats why its getting phased out |
| [20:23:29] | feiner: | not to mention pata is slower in the first place |
| [20:23:38] | Dibblah: | Uhmm... Not quite true. |
| [20:23:39] | lee33t: | what about the CPU? how many hdd's 7400 in RAID0 takes to pair it off with CPU throughput? |
| [20:23:46] | Dibblah: | Port multipliers exist. |
| [20:23:50] | Der_Thomas: | feiner |
| [20:23:57] | Dibblah: | 5 drives on one SATA port. |
| [20:24:02] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: BTW my mythcommflag is taking FOREVER |
| [20:24:19] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: let you know when it is done |
| [20:24:22] | lee33t: | Dibblah: is tha tpossible |
| [20:24:23] | lee33t: | ? |
| [20:24:39] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: but its actually running atleast, i dont know how long its even suppose to take |
| [20:24:40] | lee33t: | Dibblah: how you connect 5 hdd's on a single SATA port? |
| [20:24:50] | Dibblah: | With a port multiplier. Google. |
| [20:24:51] | feiner: | like he said port multipliers |
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| [20:25:04] | rushfan: | Are there any ATSC tuners that work with linux? |
| [20:25:05] | feiner: | turns ine into 2 3 4 or 5 or whatever |
| [20:25:05] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: right that is a goog sign |
| [20:25:15] | feiner: | just like a usb hub prettymuch |
| [20:25:21] | Dibblah: | rushfan: Yes. Google. |
| [20:25:39] | Dibblah: | feiner: Yes, but much faster. |
| [20:25:47] | rushfan: | Dibblah: I did :| |
| [20:25:49] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: did you ever look at mythtv-setup and see what your comflag command is set to in there |
| [20:26:09] | feiner: | Dibblah: of course, usb is slow sata is fast |
| [20:26:14] | rushfan: | It wasnt very revelaing as to how well the cards worked wit hlinux |
| [20:26:38] | mchou: | rushfan: dude, do your homework |
| [20:27:18] | mchou: | rushfan: there is a who site dedicated to telling you how well various ATSC cards work well in linux |
| [20:27:32] | mchou: | s/who/whole |
| [20:27:45] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: no never knew that was there: I'll take a look |
| [20:27:48] | feiner: | lee33t: dont worry about maxing out your hdds or anything cause it would take quite a bit of access to max them out |
| [20:28:17] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: mentioned it before but didnt say your name in the line so it didnt flag it for ya |
| [20:28:33] | Der_Thomas: | ah yeah must have missed it |
| [20:29:06] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: you know what part it is under? |
| [20:29:37] | feiner: | general settings on the same screen as max simultanious jobs on this backend |
| [20:29:41] | feiner: | i think anyways |
| [20:31:15] | Der_Thomas: | yeah it is set to mythcommflag |
| [20:31:23] | feiner: | dunno then |
| [20:31:42] | Der_Thomas: | and "allow commercial detection jobs" is set |
| [20:33:34] | Der_Thomas: | Another question while I'm trying to figure out my comm flag prob: |
| [20:34:22] | Der_Thomas: | Anyone know why if I have bob 2x framerate set as my de-interlacing method, it works well normally, but if I pause and then un-pause, I get a flicker? |
| [20:34:39] | Der_Thomas: | I'm thinking that I loose the 2x framerate when I pause. |
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| [20:38:33] | Pryon: | If I want to modify the title or episode information for a recording, must I do so directly in the database? |
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| [20:38:51] | GreyFoxx: | you can do it from the watch recordings screen |
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| [20:42:02] | Jack3: | does anyone know the command to check weather my serial portis com1 or com2 |
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| [20:43:53] | Der_Thomas: | Jack3 no such thing in Linux |
| [20:44:21] | ali1234: | Jack3: dmesg | grep ttyS |
| [20:44:28] | Der_Thomas: | Jack3 they are /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 |
| [20:46:03] | hjohnson: | hmm.. that's odd... half my video recorded is all at a 30 degree angle... |
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| [20:46:35] | hjohnson: | it's as though it's digitizing one pixel short per line. |
| [20:46:47] | hjohnson: | and not resynching at the colour burst at the start of the line. |
| [20:47:12] | ali1234: | are you sure you didnt just record "battlefield earth" by accident? |
| [20:47:29] | hjohnson: | haha |
| [20:47:42] | hjohnson: | if I had, I'd have taken a 9mm to my raid clust. :P |
| [20:49:07] | Pryon: | Hmmm. Perhaps I'm retarded. |
| [20:50:09] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: you watching on tv or monitor? |
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| [21:00:57] | Kernel: | hello all. im having a big problem.....sometimes when i change channels.....i completely lose sound.....it wont mute or unmute and the volume does nothing.....even when i do "cat /dev/video0 >> test.mpg" ..the resulting mpg has no sound :-( |
| [21:01:44] | Kernel: | ive asked a few times in a few diff places and no one knows . the only fix ive found is to reboot the computer...but somtimes ill lose sound 4–5 times a day...... |
| [21:03:12] | feiner: | always had the problem or just recently? |
| [21:03:37] | Kernel: | umm id sya recently |
| [21:03:40] | Kernel: | *say |
| [21:03:57] | feiner: | update anything that could have started it? |
| [21:04:03] | Kernel: | i havent been using a tv card on a computer for more then 6 or 7 months |
| [21:04:37] | Kernel: | feiner: im sure i have. ive installed 4 diff distros and reformated several times in this time period. |
| [21:04:49] | Kernel: | so it will be VERY hard to say what did it |
| [21:04:54] | feiner: | haha |
| [21:04:55] | feiner: | yeah |
| [21:05:06] | Kernel: | but |
| [21:05:06] | feiner: | what distro? everything currently up to date? |
| [21:05:14] | Kernel: | the thing i suspect is ivtv |
| [21:05:30] | Kernel: | i went from ivtv0.7 to ivtv.10 |
| [21:05:49] | feiner: | unload and reload the modules instead of rebooting to see if it fixes it |
| [21:05:58] | Kernel: | sometimes i can modprobe -r ivtv and it will fix it |
| [21:06:03] | Kernel: | feiner: i cant always |
| [21:06:12] | Kernel: | i get : fatal module in use |
| [21:06:42] | feiner: | when you get that do you try -f ? |
| [21:06:46] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: Sorry, I see the problem with both TV and monitor |
| [21:06:58] | Kernel: | feiner: would forcing it be a bad idea? |
| [21:08:10] | feiner: | Kernel: its not in use by something critical to your system so probably wouldnt do any harm, but i'd say give ivtv an update to the newest version and see what happens |
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| [21:09:33] | Kernel: | feiner: hmm ok....i try to avoid compiling things from source...i run a rpm based distro(mandriva) |
| [21:09:34] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: tv playback shouldnt need to be deinterlaced unless you want to watch sdtv and interlaced hd on an hdtv without it being interlaced so give it a try turning it off on the frontend on the tv at least |
| [21:10:12] | feiner: | k, do they have an unstable/testing package available thats newer that you can pull in somehow? |
| [21:10:18] | Der_Thomas: | without de-interlacing I get CRAZY "mice teeth" |
| [21:10:37] | justinh: | heh. never seen it called that before |
| [21:10:50] | Kernel: | feiner: i tried modprobe -fr ivtv and i still get : FATAL: Module ivtv is in use. |
| [21:10:57] | ** justinh does the "won a T7100 CPU for 36 GBP" dance ** | |
| [21:11:08] | justinh: | JBidwatcher ftw! |
| [21:11:10] | directhex: | good deal! |
| [21:11:34] | justinh: | directhex: yer telling me! :D |
| [21:11:43] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: haha mice teeth. maybe just try a different mode of deinterlacing |
| [21:11:52] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: if you havent already |
| [21:11:58] | feiner: | Kernel: k, do they have an unstable/testing package available thats newer that you can pull in somehow? |
| [21:12:02] | Der_Thomas: | that is what it is called on this site: http://www.100fps.com/ |
| [21:12:04] | justinh: | course I'll remain skeptical til I have it in my board, running some open source DVR app or other ;) |
| [21:12:30] | Kernel: | feiner: im not sure. i can check there "cooker" packages. |
| [21:13:06] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: My crapy via EPIA FE can't do any other method :~( |
| [21:13:14] | feiner: | Kernel: or dry downgrading it its easier using your package management |
| [21:13:30] | justinh: | Der_Thomas: EPIAs are crappy, aren't they? I know, I've got one |
| [21:14:01] | Kernel: | feiner: the older ivtv requires a older kernel...which would require a whole system downgrade. |
| [21:14:16] | justinh: | M10000 – they added the extra zero to make it seem less sucky. that said it used to do okay playing back SDTV mpeg2 in mythfrontend. not so anymore |
| [21:14:20] | Der_Thomas: | justinh, yeah I thought that it would be good with the mpeg decoding off loaded from the CPU, but it just doesn't run anything well |
| [21:14:42] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: what kinda tv you watching on? hd? what kinda vidcard do you have? maybe when you dont use "good" deinterlacing the vidcard itself does "crappy" deinterlacing cause a regular tv should play interlaced just fine |
| [21:14:46] | Der_Thomas: | yeah I have the "LESS" suckey 10000 |
| [21:14:47] | justinh: | so rather than try & work out what's up with the code/drivers/whatever it's being usurped by a core2 duo ASAP |
| [21:15:00] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: so should an hdtv though to |
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| [21:15:57] | feiner: | Kernel: then i'd say try upgrading, but like i said i dunno how tough it is for you to pull in one "testing" package |
| [21:16:06] | justinh: | btw directhex I've been taking some filings from a S478 heatsink. got the clearance down a little with a dummy cpu (cheap ebay buy of a 478 cpu I cut a pin off). might not need the shim after all |
| [21:16:46] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: I'm watching on a plain old CRT 4:3 SDTV. My EPIA-M10000 has an on board unichrome with mpeg 2 decoder |
| [21:17:21] | Der_Thomas: | feiner, but I have the same problem watching on my monitor on my BE |
| [21:17:22] | justinh: | there was barely 0.5mm clearance – the cpu made an indentation in the gunk on the heatsink, just not uniformly. now I know where it's catching it'll be easy to mod some more :) |
| [21:17:57] | feiner: | in bedroom do you use a different, non epia, frontend? |
| [21:17:59] | justinh: | these new fangled CPUs do have all that modern automagical shutdown – not like the AMD fireballs of old, don't they? (just in case) |
| [21:18:01] | directhex: | justinh, your test cpu doesn't have the old p4 heatspreader on it does it? mobile chips like the t7x00 don't |
| [21:18:09] | justinh: | directhex: no it doesn't |
| [21:18:21] | directhex: | justinh, just checking |
| [21:18:29] | justinh: | yeah I know I'd have to take that into account |
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| [21:18:49] | justinh: | come to think about it, the difference in height is probably only the thickness of one of those |
| [21:19:09] | justinh: | we've got some thin copper stock at work I can try if things get desperate |
| [21:19:11] | Dibblah: | Well, yes – That's the only difference in the package ;) |
| [21:19:23] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: on BE do you use a different, non epia, frontend? (i dunno where i got bedroom) haha |
| [21:19:27] | Der_Thomas: | feiner, no, what I mean is if I run a frontend on my backend computer (using the CRT monitor) I still have the mice tooth problem that I see on my seperate frontend |
| [21:19:50] | justinh: | I'd possibly use Loctite Output to bond the shim to the heatink so it doesn't move when placing it |
| [21:19:52] | Dibblah: | "mice tooth problem" – heh. |
| [21:19:56] | directhex: | justinh, honestly, on a t7x00, worst case scenario: the machine will lock up. you can run the thing *idle* without a heatsink, with enough airflow |
| [21:19:59] | feiner: | yeah i need a nap or something, or maybe its just to hot in here cause i think my brains shutting down |
| [21:20:04] | Dibblah: | You mean interlacing. |
| [21:21:08] | Der_Thomas: | Dibblah, yes, but specifically mice tooth motion distortion that is referred to here :http://www.100fps.com/ |
| [21:21:15] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: on your BE try a different deinterlace mode, to see if it eliminates the pause problem |
| [21:21:17] | justinh: | that ebay bidding app took some head scratching to get worky. was just crashing all the time – turned out ubungee was set to use the 'wrong' java |
| [21:21:32] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: yes it does |
| [21:21:42] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: yes it does stop the pause problem |
| [21:21:52] | Dibblah: | It's not too bad. Search tabs linked to favorite searches is fun. |
| [21:22:21] | Der_Thomas: | feiner, that is why I think that I am dropping back to regualr framerate when I pause |
| [21:23:04] | Der_Thomas: | since bob doubles the framerate and shows each "half" of the frame individually |
| [21:23:30] | Der_Thomas: | at regular framerate it makes it appear to flicker |
| [21:23:31] | justinh: | Der_Thomas: I find bob works brilliantly all the time. even really fast moving things like titles remain fluid & unfuxxy |
| [21:23:32] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: yeah, do you pause often? |
| [21:23:37] | justinh: | er.. unfuzzy |
| [21:23:46] | feiner: | unfuxxy, hahaha |
| [21:23:51] | justinh: | just a pity the decoder can't seem to keep up with sdtv |
| [21:24:01] | Dibblah: | Pause and need lots of picture detail? ;) |
| [21:24:32] | Der_Thomas: | justinh, yeah it works well for me too, but if I pause and then un-pause, any horizontal line in the video appears to flicker |
| [21:24:35] | justinh: | funny I always find editing on my minimyth epia FE works just fine |
| [21:25:03] | justinh: | and I don't pause & do any frame rev/adv operations very often |
| [21:25:06] | Der_Thomas: | feiner, no, but just pausing once will make this happen |
| [21:25:24] | justinh: | Der_Thomas: is that with 0.20.2 or trunk? |
| [21:25:32] | Der_Thomas: | justinh 0.20.2 |
| [21:25:50] | feiner: | Der_Thomas: you mean it continues after the pause, not just for a short time while its catching up or something |
| [21:26:20] | justinh: | I've not gone up that far yet. minimyth chokes playing back bbc1 recordings past version 0.20–19 – and annoyingly the CPU usage is actually _lower_ than previous versions even when it can't keep up |
| [21:26:22] | Der_Thomas: | feiner, yeah it will continue through the rest of the viewing of the recording. I have to stop and then play it again |
| [21:26:33] | Der_Thomas: | to make it stop the flicker |
| [21:27:07] | Dibblah: | Der_Thomas: Ah. |
| [21:27:09] | Dibblah: | Right. |
| [21:27:13] | feiner: | ok, makes more sense now, i thought it was just an annoyance you were trying to fix, but yeah, thats a real problem |
| [21:27:19] | justinh: | well, I'll be glad when I can finally say "glass-wide is released, screw the epia, I'm making a _proper_ frontend no2" |
| [21:27:21] | Dibblah: | I've seen this issue before. |
| [21:27:41] | Dibblah: | Your frame rate (X modeline) is subtly wrong. |
| [21:27:58] | justinh: | Dibblah: mine or Der_Thomas' ? |
| [21:28:03] | Dibblah: | Reduce the clock frequency by a fraction. |
| [21:28:08] | Dibblah: | Der_Thomas: |
| [21:28:45] | Der_Thomas: | OK, I'm not an xorg.conf expert, what part of the modline is that? |
| [21:28:54] | Dibblah: | First number, afaik. |
| [21:29:11] | Dibblah: | You want to change it <.01%. |
| [21:29:25] | Der_Thomas: | Dibblah: Wouldn't that then occure at ALL times, not just after a pause and unpause |
| [21:29:29] | Dibblah: | Or fiddle with the rest of the timing. |
| [21:29:48] | Dibblah: | No – The sync never catches back up, if it's the issue I'm thinking of. |
| [21:30:06] | Dibblah: | Also, -v playback may tell you something interesting. |
| [21:33:13] | Der_Thomas: | Dibblah: would you give me an example of the line I'm looking for? Here is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/770053 |
| [21:33:34] | Dibblah: | What's your display? |
| [21:33:49] | Der_Thomas: | CRT TV |
| [21:34:29] | Dibblah: | Ick. TV out. |
| [21:34:50] | Dibblah: | You can't use a proper interlaced mode? |
| [21:34:51] | Der_Thomas: | I'm using the via unichrome TV out though. I kinda thought that xorg.conf didn't mess with the TV out |
| [21:35:08] | Dibblah: | Of course it does. |
| [21:35:23] | Dibblah: | If you're using a proper interlaced mode, you _don't_ deinterlace. |
| [21:35:27] | Dibblah: | At all. |
| [21:35:51] | Dibblah: | Since it's always interlaced – Not progressive ever. |
| [21:35:51] | Der_Thomas: | Dibblah, how does it show the bios on the TV before X loads? |
| [21:36:04] | Dibblah: | It's a frame buffer. |
| [21:36:19] | Der_Thomas: | ok |
| [21:36:39] | Dibblah: | Which is filled in different orders depending on the mode you're in. |
| [21:36:57] | Dibblah: | I'd suggest seeing if you can use a real interlaced modeline for tvout. |
| [21:37:03] | Der_Thomas: | I don't think that I'm following what you are talking about with the proper interlaced mode |
| [21:37:06] | Dibblah: | But be prepared for disappointment. |
| [21:37:14] | Dibblah: | TVs display interlaced. |
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| [21:37:34] | Der_Thomas: | right |
| [21:37:59] | Der_Thomas: | that is what I think I'm not understanding, why do I get the horriable mice teeth on my TV? |
| [21:38:02] | Dibblah: | Video cards generally ignore that. |
| [21:38:10] | mortal1: | hello, I was wondering if anyone knows how to play from a pvr 250 card using vlc? |
| [21:38:19] | ** justinh mutters something about glass-wide being released early :D ** | |
| [21:38:23] | Dibblah: | Because you're treating your video card like a progressive device. |
| [21:38:28] | mortal1: | something akin to mplayer -cache 16000 /dev/video0? |
| [21:38:34] | feiner: | like i said your vidcard didnt want to display interlaced video |
| [21:38:53] | Der_Thomas: | OK, so how do I fix that? |
| [21:39:00] | feiner: | dunno |
| [21:39:09] | Der_Thomas: | hhahaha shit |
| [21:39:16] | Dibblah: | Der_Thomas: Ask google ;) |
| [21:39:20] | Der_Thomas: | haha |
| [21:39:20] | feiner: | try forcing it like dibblah said |
| [21:39:21] | Der_Thomas: | OK |
| [21:39:27] | Der_Thomas: | Well what do toher people do? |
| [21:39:30] | Der_Thomas: | other |
| [21:39:34] | Dibblah: | interlaced modeline openchrome |
| [21:39:43] | Dibblah: | Personally, I have a projector. |
| [21:39:51] | Dibblah: | And drive it at 800x600x50hz. |
| [21:39:59] | Dibblah: | (I'm in PAL land) |
| [21:40:08] | feiner: | i have 2, neither n use right now |
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| [21:40:30] | Dibblah: | I have an Infocus X1 (daily use). |
| [21:40:42] | Dibblah: | And have a HD7100 arriving Tuesday :)) |
| [21:40:57] | Der_Thomas: | man that sounds nice |
| [21:41:00] | feiner: | sharp xr20x or something and a benq one |
| [21:41:31] | ** hjohnson is debating just buying an LCD ** | |
| [21:41:35] | Der_Thomas: | anyone have an example of a xorg.conf with a mod line in it so I can find out how to put it on once I find thr right line? |
| [21:41:51] | hjohnson: | now if only someone could come up with a good hack to cross an apple tv with Myth, that'd rule. |
| [21:42:56] | justinh: | it'd rule, apart from the fact it can't play h.264 HDTV |
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| [21:43:05] | Dibblah: | hjohnson: What? Like... Running the frontend on an AppleTV? |
| [21:43:13] | Dibblah: | (Which can be done already) |
| [21:43:20] | justinh: | well certainly not the AVC1 variant like we got lumbered with in Europe |
| [21:43:34] | Dibblah: | "lumbered with"? |
| [21:43:44] | Dibblah: | Better than MPEG2, that's for sure. |
| [21:43:56] | Dibblah: | Of course, it all depends on the quality of the source :( |
| [21:43:59] | feiner: | http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes |
| [21:44:05] | feiner: | modeline stuff |
| [21:44:32] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: thanks |
| [21:44:55] | feiner: | dunno if that'll help much but ill find some example xorg.conf somewhere for ya to |
| [21:46:00] | feiner: | heres an xorg.conf with some modelines and it looks like slight descriptions by them too |
| [21:46:02] | feiner: | http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/xorg.conf.txt |
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| [21:47:33] | Der_Thomas: | feiner: ha Just found the same one |
| [21:47:37] | feiner: | haha |
| [21:47:54] | justinh: | there's a nifty interlaced mpeg file you can use from there for testing your deinterlacing works properly |
| [21:47:59] | feiner: | yeah google is pretty reliable |
| [21:48:19] | justinh: | hmm dare I mention glass-wide on the mailing lists? definitely NOT |
| [21:48:36] | justinh: | might be a mug, I'm no glutton for punishment |
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| [21:50:29] | hjohnson: | I just wish I lived in an area with more cooperative broadcasters.. |
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| [21:51:04] | hjohnson: | around here, the only way you can really record anything is on analog cable.. everything on digital has whatever flag that is set. |
| [21:51:21] | hjohnson: | (4C? something like that). There's nothing unscrambled out there on the wire. |
| [21:51:26] | justinh: | 5C |
| [21:51:43] | hjohnson: | that's it. |
| [21:51:58] | hjohnson: | basically the cable company is takin gthis as an excuse to bend their customers over even more. |
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| [21:57:50] | justinh: | hmmm now where oh where oh where am I gonna get 1GB so-dimm DDR2 from in a hurry. for £notmuch.. Microdirect had nothing in stock under £50 on Friday :( |
| [21:59:16] | ** justinh is thinking about printing out the Ebuyer.com page & waving it under their noses at PC World tomorrow ** | |
| [22:01:07] | justinh: | bah they get around the 'find the same item at a lower price by stocking stuff Ebuyer don't have" |
| [22:02:59] | justinh: | PNY, OCZ.. 'value'.. pfft. I can get a 1GB corsair stick for almost half PC world's price. that'd by why they don't sell the same gear then |
| [22:03:29] | justinh: | £6.74 delivery?! F.O. ebuyer! |
| [22:05:43] | JDStone: | I'm receiving: QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [22:05:55] | JDStone: | when I start mythbackend. what do I do? |
| [22:06:02] | justinh: | hmm then up comes the question of 'RAM from well known brands.. is it really worth it?' |
| [22:06:28] | justinh: | JDStone: depends what context the above error message is in. paste the whole output to a pastebin.ca |
| [22:06:56] | justinh: | it could just be the backend is unable to login to the database, or you might have a qt mysql library missing |
| [22:08:22] | justinh: | bah sod it, for the price I got the CPU for I can afford to spend an extra fiver on brand name ram |
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| [22:08:56] | justinh: | never even heard of 'Patriot' anyway.. nor 'Rendition' |
| [22:09:17] | feiner: | patriots been around |
| [22:09:26] | feiner: | dunno bout rendition |
| [22:09:36] | hjohnson: | that's a movie coming out soon no? |
| [22:09:40] | justinh: | £12.04 inc VAT for a 1GB stick of Kingston PC2–5300 |
| [22:09:59] | justinh: | jeeps |
| [22:10:25] | hjohnson: | ahh |
| [22:10:48] | feiner: | hjohnson: doesnt that atsc tuner card for linux only completely ignore the you cant record this flags |
| [22:10:59] | justinh: | looks like I'm off to Aria tomorrow after work then |
| [22:11:04] | hjohnson: | feiner: if there was OTA ATSC here |
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| [22:11:24] | hjohnson: | feiner: besides, OTA doesn't have what I'm interested in for the most part. |
| [22:11:46] | hjohnson: | the only show I really watch that would be available OTA is Heroes... everythign else is on Discovery, history and the like |
| [22:11:52] | feiner: | yeah, you want real channels, not just locals |
| [22:11:56] | feiner: | yeah |
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| [22:12:13] | JDStone: | justinh: nm, i just rebooted |
| [22:12:15] | hjohnson: | well, heroes and simpsons. :P |
| [22:12:18] | feiner: | it'll all be encrypted coming from the cable company probably |
| [22:12:25] | hjohnson: | feiner: yep. |
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| [22:12:43] | hjohnson: | feiner: and there is no legal requirement in Canada for the cable companies to make the locals and what not unencrypted |
| [22:12:44] | feiner: | dunno any cable companys that dont encrypt their digital somehow |
| [22:12:59] | hjohnson: | (I work in the satellite broadcast industry myself, on the transmission end) |
| [22:13:03] | justinh: | feiner: some people here have reported getting everything uncrippled |
| [22:13:18] | justinh: | and I believe them cos they're entirely trustworthy folks |
| [22:13:23] | hjohnson: | but that's mostly because the cable companies messed it up. |
| [22:13:25] | feiner: | in europe maybe??? the us is worse than canada im sure |
| [22:13:29] | justinh: | just a massive case of YMMV |
| [22:13:34] | hjohnson: | feiner: Canada is worse than the US |
| [22:13:38] | justinh: | feiner: US & CA residents |
| [22:13:51] | hjohnson: | as far as HD into myth and the like is. |
| [22:14:11] | hjohnson: | so basically the only reason why I "pirate" and download is because they won't let me get it legally. |
| [22:14:19] | feiner: | i was gonna say canada is better than the us on many fronts concerning drm and crap |
| [22:14:29] | hjohnson: | I know that's flimsy justification, but that's what it is. |
| [22:14:31] | justinh: | hjohnson: that's no excuse! |
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| [22:14:39] | ** justinh smacks hjohnson's hand lightly ** | |
| [22:14:45] | justinh: | naughty! |
| [22:14:56] | hjohnson: | justinh: hey, if they keep me from exercising my right to fair use, I'll exercise it otherwise. |
| [22:15:11] | feiner: | pretty soon everything will be illegal and the cops will shoot us all |
| [22:15:16] | justinh: | far be it from me to preach on the morality (or not) of what you do fella |
| [22:15:16] | hjohnson: | id' not do it if they'd let me record it freely to my own drive. |
| [22:15:30] | hjohnson: | and watch it with whatever software I liked. |
| [22:15:55] | hjohnson: | my entire 100GB music collection is fully lega, for example... all off of CDs, creative commons, and the like. |
| [22:15:58] | feiner: | government officials dont get big checks for writing laws that do that though |
| [22:16:33] | hjohnson: | and I'm not allowed to have a satellite dish where I live, so I can't partake in the FTA channels out there. |
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| [22:16:37] | justinh: | feiner: bout time they did then ;) |
| [22:16:49] | hjohnson: | (there are several decent quality FTA broadcasts in good bitrate MPEG2 on the satellites) |
| [22:16:52] | feiner: | if only they werent corrupt |
| [22:17:24] | feiner: | live in an apartment or a gated comunity or what? |
| [22:17:27] | bunder: | hi there, for some reason my mythtv keeps recording shows that i already recorded and transcoded... any ideas? |
| [22:17:32] | hjohnson: | feiner: townhouse complex. |
| [22:17:36] | justinh: | feiner: just get loads of users to club together & outbid the meeja companies :P |
| [22:17:47] | justinh: | sorted |
| [22:18:07] | hjohnson: | the other thing I wish they would legislate.. require cable companies to sell channels "A la carte" |
| [22:18:13] | hjohnson: | which is totally fesable to do digitally |
| [22:18:18] | feiner: | ahh, around here mosta them allow dishes as long as they arent the huge ones |
| [22:18:34] | justinh: | hjohnson: yeah but kinda an administrative nightmare with their current billing model |
| [22:18:50] | feiner: | thats their fault for fucking it up |
| [22:18:52] | hjohnson: | I'd quite happily pay $3/mo for Discovery or sci-fi or something like that... but I'm not willing to pay $20 to get it and sports channels that I'll never watch. |
| [22:18:54] | justinh: | they get enough of that wrong as it is without making it more complex |
| [22:19:04] | hjohnson: | I can see why they didn't do it in the analog days. |
| [22:19:12] | hjohnson: | (given that I'm fairly well versed in RF design) |
| [22:19:20] | hjohnson: | but there's no excuse in the digital era |
| [22:19:50] | hjohnson: | the only sports I need are on the CBC anyhow. |
| [22:19:59] | justinh: | hjohnson: when analogue has gone byebyes, I can see OD making massive inroads – I mean I can see cable companies actively pushing it. pay per view everything |
| [22:20:24] | justinh: | as in pay per show, per time you view |
| [22:20:41] | justinh: | when (not IF, IMHO) that happens, I'll just read a lot more |
| [22:20:41] | hjohnson: | justinh: the networks won't let that happen. (and incidentally,j the networks are the primary reason why they don't do a la carte channels now). |
| [22:20:49] | [1]Jack3: | can anyone help me with setting up an ir blaste |
| [22:21:06] | ** justinh looks up 'blaste' ** | |
| [22:21:22] | hjohnson: | ther eare some really wierd licensing bits related to, say ESPN |
| [22:21:43] | hjohnson: | basically if the cable company wants to carry ESPN, they also have to buy ESPN 2 3 and 4, and have to sell it to all their customers and the like. |
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| [22:31:15] | justinh: | just done some sums. this new frontend hardware, if it all just works (tm) will have cost me less than that crappy Epia board did 18 months ago |
| [22:31:32] | justinh: | wahhh! |
| [22:31:39] | hjohnson: | lol |
| [22:32:01] | hjohnson: | i'm just dissapointed by the quality I've been getting off my wintv pvr card |
| [22:32:18] | justinh: | also annoying is the fact my current fastest machine is a 2800 athlon xp |
| [22:32:55] | hjohnson: | ahh |
| [22:33:00] | justinh: | this'll be a core2 duo (mobile) 1.8Ghz number which I'm sure will slay it to bits |
| [22:33:06] | hjohnson: | my fastest machine is an athlon 64 x2 |
| [22:33:31] | justinh: | I'll have to look for similar deals & update my desktop at some point. not having the most powerful machine wasted on tv |
| [22:33:43] | hjohnson: | hah |
| [22:33:55] | hjohnson: | my most powerful machine spends most of its time folding proteins |
| [22:34:14] | justinh: | I think before that though I'll buy my backend & dev box new cases |
| [22:35:15] | hjohnson: | I have an antec titan II case... it's pretty decent, 6 3.5" bays, and keeps everything nice and cool. |
| [22:35:23] | hjohnson: | (my drives and processor live at a comfy 30C |
| [22:35:38] | justinh: | my drives hover around 40C |
| [22:35:55] | justinh: | hate to think what the cpu is at. stupid athlonxp crap |
| [22:36:01] | hjohnson: | heh |
| [22:36:08] | hjohnson: | not running lm-sensors? |
| [22:36:09] | justinh: | haven't quite got the hang of lmsensors yet |
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| [22:37:35] | eggd: | Hey, i know this is probably not the right channel, but I just found a tv-card in one of my other PC's... approx from 2005–2006 something. it's from pinnacle. |
| [22:38:07] | justinh: | eew! a framegrabber which'll eat CPU to watch/record TV in mythtv |
| [22:38:08] | eggd: | where can i find drivers for it? the card didnt say any specific number or anything |
| [22:38:34] | justinh: | eggd: drivers are more than likely already with the kernel |
| [22:38:45] | justinh: | see a video4linux wiki near you ASAP |
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| [22:39:49] | eggd: | justinh: and actually i have winXP too. but winxp didnt find any drivers ;p |
| [22:41:10] | hjohnson: | justinh: they were fine when you could just use the direct framebuffer writing. :P |
| [22:41:22] | hjohnson: | heck, the CPU didn't really get involved in that. :D |
| [22:41:44] | justinh: | eggd: ahh well that's another reason linux is better than windows – drivers are just there (tm) for a lot more devices (sometimes) |
| [22:41:53] | eggd: | hehe |
| [22:42:16] | eggd: | you dont know if pinnacle has some all-in-one installation for all their cards or something? |
| [22:42:19] | hjohnson: | and linux has drivers for all sorts of wierd and wonderful hardware that no one uses any more, because invariably geeks hang onto this crap. |
| [22:42:35] | justinh: | eggd: try using an app like tvtime |
| [22:42:38] | hjohnson: | until recently, the kernel still had drivers for the Apple LocalTalk PC card... |
| [22:42:56] | justinh: | eggd: lspci usually lists devices on the PCI bus very reliably |
| [22:43:02] | hjohnson: | which was this 8 bit ISA card made back in about 1986 by Apple, so that PCs could connect to LocalTalk networks. |
| [22:44:38] | justinh: | hjohnson: 51C for the CPU as it turns out. wow lm-sensors was easier than I thought |
| [22:44:49] | hjohnson: | justinh: heh |
| [22:44:59] | justinh: | not bad for an athlon xp at idle (ish) |
| [22:45:12] | hjohnson: | my CPU is sitting at 35C |
| [22:45:21] | hjohnson: | but then, it has an opteron cooler on it. |
| [22:45:23] | justinh: | just a stock HSF though |
| [22:45:44] | hjohnson: | the opteron is neat.. big-ass aluminium and copper thing, with a fairly big fan, and heatpipes. |
| [22:45:53] | hjohnson: | er opteron HSF |
| [22:47:14] | justinh: | yowser! http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Origen_ae/S10V/1.html |
| [22:47:22] | justinh: | pity bout the price though |
| [22:47:42] | hjohnson: | heh.. |
| [22:47:52] | hjohnson: | i'm debating adding another 2.5 TB to my machine |
| [22:48:14] | hjohnson: | justinh: heh.. I'd rather just hack/use an appleTV |
| [22:48:25] | hjohnson: | to be honest, given my usage patterns, livetv isn't that big of a deal... |
| [22:48:38] | hjohnson: | so an AppleTV + mt-daapd would probably work just fine |
| [22:48:51] | hjohnson: | as long as I added the appropriate codecs to the unit to play the other video |
| [22:49:48] | justinh: | thing is, spending that much cash on a bit of kit, and then have to hack it to get it to do anything really useful (i.e. beyond Apple's software) just stinks |
| [22:51:44] | hjohnson: | yeah, but it's a nice piece of kit. |
| [22:52:20] | hjohnson: | and to be honest, if I could have myth handling recording, and controlling it with mythweb (from the unit) and then just watching the videos with an mt-daapd type system, I'd be happy. |
| [22:57:00] | justinh: | course it has stuff my silverstone lc10 doesn't have in spades – _looks_ ;) |
| [22:57:07] | justinh: | lc10? lc02 I meant |
| [22:57:27] | justinh: | and built-in IR. pity about the 6 button limit on the remote though |
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| [22:59:12] | hjohnson: | it's also quiet, fanless, and HDMI out. :P |
| [22:59:37] | hjohnson: | (though whoever thought it would be a good idea to make a high density digital conenctor like that without a positive retention mechanism needs to be shot) |
| [22:59:48] | justinh: | I've yet to dip my toe into the murky waters of HD |
| [22:59:57] | hjohnson: | heh |
| [23:00:05] | hjohnson: | I need to do my expense reports so I can buy some new kit |
| [23:00:11] | hjohnson: | company owes me like $5k |
| [23:00:16] | justinh: | with so much TV in the UK still being SD, I've yet to be convinced a new flat panel would be a good idea |
| [23:00:26] | Sigma27: | someone out there, who can help me with trouble shooting EPG on dvb-c. I did not get data on all channels, but it is transmittet. At least tv_grab_dvb gets data. |
| [23:00:41] | hjohnson: | justinh: seeing Planet Earth, in HD, at the store, convinced me I eventually have to have one. |
| [23:00:51] | justinh: | Sigma27: lemme guess.. you imported a channels.conf file |
| [23:01:14] | justinh: | hjohnson: we only have one FTA HD channel in the UK |
| [23:01:14] | Sigma27: | no |
| [23:01:26] | hjohnson: | justinh: this was off an HD-DVD |
| [23:01:26] | justinh: | Sigma27: ah well there goes that idea out of the window |
| [23:01:53] | Sigma27: | I made a scan for all transponders and get my channels and also EPG on some channels, but not all |
| [23:02:15] | justinh: | Sigma27: ahh. check 'useonairguide' is set for all the channels you need EIT data for |
| [23:02:31] | davilla: | anyone running mythfrontend on an appletv under linux? |
| [23:03:07] | hjohnson: | davilla: people have done it, IIRC |
| [23:04:16] | Sigma27: | justinh: I guess in german this is "EPG über dvb benutzen", this one is checked |
| [23:04:51] | justinh: | Sigma27: ach well. it can sometimes take a while for data to be populated on channels with EIT |
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| [23:05:09] | justinh: | anyway.. starting work early tomorrow, so bedtime for me |
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| [23:06:03] | Sigma27: | justinh: I have mythtv running now for more than a month with dvb, think this should be enough time :-) |
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| [23:07:39] | davilla: | I have possible config fixes for the AppleTV and HD content hangs along with nvidia green pixels corruption. |
| [23:08:31] | Sigma27: | Could it be that the channel data is not send all over the time and mythtv "simply" scans for the data at the wrong time ? |
| [23:08:58] | davilla: | Still doing long term testing before I can stamp done on it. |
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| [23:14:46] | Sigma27: | Currious, according to mythbackend.log, mythtv found 2977 EIT events since i stoped watching the channel I previously did get no data. But the last days it does not work. Is there a way to check when mythtv is checking which channel for epg data ? So I could check if mythtv is scanning this channel ? |
| [23:16:38] | Sigma27: | Aah got it, I have to watch for lines like "EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 28201". So I will see if it will work the next days and if not check if my channel is scanned. Thanks so far. |
| [23:16:50] | ** hjohnson wishes that myth worked better as a video jukebox type application as well. ** | |
| [23:17:23] | hjohnson: | plop a dvd into a front-end, it rips it and lets me play it again without having to pop the disc in, menus and all |
| [23:17:26] | hjohnson: | ahh well |
| [23:19:06] | Dibblah: | hjohnson: Ummm... It does? |
| [23:19:13] | hjohnson: | does it? |
| [23:19:18] | Dibblah: | Select the right rip type. |
| [23:19:20] | ** hjohnson whacks his head. :) ** | |
| [23:19:24] | hjohnson: | silly me. |
| [23:19:25] | Dibblah: | "ISO" does what you want. |
| [23:19:28] | Dibblah: | I think. |
| [23:19:52] | hjohnson: | too bad it can't store the video as h.264 or similar. |
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| [23:19:53] | hjohnson: | ahh well |
| [23:20:04] | Dibblah: | And when you run out of disk space, feel free to switch to another type ;) |
| [23:20:18] | hjohnson: | hehe |
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| [23:53:30] | Jack3: | can someone help me with lirc? |
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