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Saturday, November 10th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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leprasmurf:

djc__: k

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Hilikus:

mzb_d800 so when you say start it using ~/.xinitrc, what is it? i should write mythfrontend in there so that it gets lanched on boot?

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djc__:

man xinitrc

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Hilikus:

ok

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djc__:

er, man xinit

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djc__:

you'll probably want to review/examine the existing x startup scripts/process for your distro

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djc__:

and make backup copies of anything you remove or edit

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djc__:

also, if you have gdm (graphical login) you'll need to get that out of the way too, probably

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Hilikus:

hm

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mzb_d800:

Hilikus: http://openpaste.org/en/3824/

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Hilikus:

i guess i'll just use a lighter WM then

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Hilikus:

im using gnome and there really isnt any reason why

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Hilikus:

since the only graphical thing running is mythfrontend

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mzb_d800:

mythtv@loungetv:~$ grep ^6 /etc/inittab

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mzb_d800:

6:245:respawn:/sbin/getty -n -l /usr/local/sbin/autologinmythtv 38400 tty6

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mzb_d800:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=152274

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djc__:

i gather you are using runlevel 4 then

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djc__:

or 5 but took out the stock rl 5 xinit?

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mzb_d800:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux . . . -gui-374338/

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mzb_d800:

no, std init level of 2

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djc__:

hrm.. which distro uses that?

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mzb_d800:

debian

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djc__:

everything ive worked with uses 3 for no-x or 5 for x

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mzb_d800:

I've removed 3 so I can restart X+mythfrontend easily with:

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mzb_d800:

# init 3; sleep 2; init 2

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djc__:

init 3; ... yeah

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cal:

When I fast forward, sound plays as if I wasn't fast forwarding. When I hit play again, the sound cues up to the right place... what could cause this?

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mzb_d800:

mythtv@loungetv:~$ grep initdefault /etc/inittab

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mzb_d800:

id:2:initdefault:

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mzb_d800:

djc__: every debian box I have defaults to init 2

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mzb_d800:

(even the virtual machines;)

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djc__:

interesting.. my experience is with (very old) slackware, then redhat from 5 thru 9 or so, freebsd, and fedora thru 7

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mzb_d800:

I'm similar ... but got sick of rpm-based distros

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mzb_d800:

the only reason I've had for installing fedora was because the end user's name was Dora ;)

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mzb_d800:

heh ... For Dora ... :)

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djc__:

The Explorer

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djc__:

:P

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mzb_d800:

friend's wife

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mzb_d800:

but she's now running feisty and loving it

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mzb_d800:

("Wow ... better than Windows")

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floppyears:

you should setup compiz for her

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floppyears:

compiz is such nice eyecandy for desktops

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mzb_d800:

I did

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mzb_d800:

and showed her how to turn it off

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mzb_d800:

(Dell D610)

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floppyears:

cool

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mzb_d800:

(no *real* graphics card)

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floppyears:

does she come to you often for support

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mzb_d800:

the friend bought two laptops, and had problems installing XP ... so he came to me and asked for Linux

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mzb_d800:

I installed + configured ... and game them "installation love" ... registered IM, setup wifi ... blah blah .... never had a complaint

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mzb_d800:

s/game/gave

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floppyears:

cool

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mzb_d800:

rarely get questions

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mzb_d800:

even rarer to hear problems

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floppyears:

wow, I would expect to get questions once in a while

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floppyears:

about: where is program xyz? how do I do xyz? where is ms office ?

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floppyears:

you should set them up with virtualbox

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mzb_d800:

nope ... she's worked it all out

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floppyears:

wow

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mzb_d800:

I did another one a few months ago ... for an older guy who'd never even seen linux (who I've known since birth) ... he's bordering on illiterate in some ways but is the Registrar of the local uni

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mzb_d800:

*never* have complaints or questions from him

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floppyears:

I wonder if they really use their computers a lot

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mzb_d800:

I setup all these machines with IM ... so I know when they're on (for starters)

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mzb_d800:

all three are frequent users

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mzb_d800:

(now;)

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mzb_d800:

(ie. now that they've seen the light;)

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floppyears:

have they done a dist upgrade ?

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bsdfox__:

anyone know of a way to use combinations of keys? for example I would like one that I could hit to reboot the frontend, or restart X for example

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mzb_d800:

not yet

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bsdfox__:

if it's just one button it'd be too easy to hit on accident

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bsdfox__:

with lirc that is

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mzb_d800:

irxevent to start an xmessage? (or gmessage)

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bsdfox__:

how do I bind it to multiple keys though?

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mzb_d800:

and then another button def for ?message ???

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mzb_d800:

power=> xmessage "Are you sure?"

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mzb_d800:

then button def for power, prog=xmessage

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Hilikus:

hey guys, how come i mapped a key to page down in the "global" context and it doesnt work when in mythbrowser?

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mzb_d800:

(I'm only guessing)

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mzb_d800:

it might need to be in mythtv context

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

sorry ...

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mzb_d800:

not enough caffeine ... brb

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djc__:

there is no '

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djc__:

'global' context...

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djc__:

each program that can accept ir input reads the lircrc, and acts on keys that match that program

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Hilikus:

Keybindings Editor

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djc__:

if you want to send keys to X,

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Hilikus:

Context

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djc__:

then use irxevent

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Hilikus:

Global

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Hilikus:

thats from mythweb

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djc__:

oh

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djc__:

within myth

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Hilikus:

yes

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Hilikus:

its not lircrc

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djc__:

perhaps something within the specific context is overriding it

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djc__:

or perhaps there is no 'pagedown' in that context

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Hilikus:

theres nothing overriding it

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Hilikus:

the second one might be it though

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Hilikus:

do you use mythbrowser?

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Hilikus:

its freaking slow to scroll down, i read like 20X faster than the thing scrolls by holding the down arrow in the RC

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djc__:

oh.. that.. lord no.. i use my regular desktop to access the web.. i cant even conceive wanting to use a tv

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Hilikus:

i dont really use it to browse

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djc__:

but, i mus t be off..

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Hilikus:

im using mythnews

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Hilikus:

so when you load the news, it opens mythbrowser

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ali1234:

hey, who was i talking to about event based remote controls? i think i just found the solution

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kdubya:

hey is the wiki out of date or do i really need to use old firewire drivers?

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djc__:

hrm.. mytharchive.. how do i clear the selected videos out to start fresh?

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djc__:

or even remove them individually.. there doesnt seem to be a 'remove this item'

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djc__:

Hilikus, try CNN :P

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djc__:

no pagedown necesarry

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ali1234:

and no thinking either :)

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djc__:

i saw that, and at first i thought maybe it was news video clips

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, I am going through sheperd configuration and "Channel section" > Guide mode.. where do I find the right XMLTV-ids? for example ABC2 shows abc2.free.au is that the right XMLTV-id ?

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mzb_d800:

yes ... leave on defaults

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jeffery:

k

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, sheperd guys have done a lot of work :)

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mzb_d800:

yes ... you can see it in just the way it runs :)) ... wait until you see the end result :)

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mzb_d800:

(ps. install mythweb)

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jeffery:

I have

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mzb_d800:

php5?

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jeffery:

I am still pulling the data

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jeffery:

yep

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mzb_d800:

right, ensure that timezone is set in php.ini or you will have probs

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jeffery:

what version mythtv you using ?

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mzb_d800:

bedtv:~# grep ^date /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini

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mzb_d800:

date.timezone = Australia/Hobart

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mzb_d800:

svn multirec

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mzb_d800:

bedtv:~# mythbackend --version

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mzb_d800:

Source code version : 14786M

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jeffery:

ah bleeding-edge

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mzb_d800:

week or two old

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mzb_d800:

I've added the shoutcast patch so I can listen to my 'node streams

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mzb_d800:

(in mythmusic)

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mzb_d800:

and I've gone to multirec as I'm using an external DVB USB tuner

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jeffery:

I am on node as well.... will get to it when I get this running cleanly

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mzb_d800:

(you can get more than one stream on each transport)

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jeffery:

I got a dual card as well

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mzb_d800:

I've got another tuner on the way :)

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mzb_d800:

$20 and $23 ea (resp) ... including delivery :)))

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jeffery:

what the card ?

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mzb_d800:

Kworld USB2

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mzb_d800:

forgotten the model on it's way

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jeffery:

ok

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mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79

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mzb_d800:

95% signal strength (on a bad day)

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mzb_d800:

usually 99% on all channels

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mzb_d800:

(and that's split 3 or 4 ways;)

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jeffery:

I have put a splitter on the normal TV antenna I have.. what difference does your antenna have?

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mzb_d800:

it's VHF digital only

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mzb_d800:

*very* targeted

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mzb_d800:

and it's *bird-proof* ;))

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jeffery:

hehe

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mzb_d800:

oh .. and it cost $0 in parts (err... ok $2 for a can of magic black spray-paint;)

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mzb_d800:

father-in-law got jealous

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mzb_d800:

s/in/out

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mzb_d800:

time to do some editing ... shout if you need me ;)

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jeffery:

haha

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jeffery:

thanks mate

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mzb:

or I'll just login from here too ;)

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jeffery:

mzb, the channum field in the channel table refers to any particular number or its just a sequence I can specify?

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mzb:

channum: is the number(s) you press on your remote for that channel

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lwizardl:

Hi

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jeffery:

ok... haven't got a remote yet.. actually I have one from a FushionHDTV card.. can I use that remote for my Hauupage card ?

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Hilikus:

ok so when i use fvwh mythfrontend works well except when i actually watch tv, it seems to be in a window, at the bottom of the screen you see the background, its not taking the full screen, how do i fix this

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Hilikus:

when in the menu it is full screen

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kdubya:

the remote does not directly control the card so you should be able to use ANY remote

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mzb:

jeffery: should be able to

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mzb:

or byo: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=83

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jeffery:

kdubya, the FushionHDTV card (which I am not using now) had a infrared cable which used to plug into the card.. but the Hauupage card doesn't have such port

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kdubya:

ok

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kdubya:

you could use the remote

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kdubya:

but you would need to build or buy an IR sensor

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jeffery:

I have the snsor.. donno where to plug it in.. I better take some pics and show what I mean

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kdubya:

if you are not using the card

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kdubya:

then there will be no where to plug it in

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kdubya:

even if the hauppage had a place to plug in a IR reciever it would be different from the divco one

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jeffery:

ah

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jeffery:

brb

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jeffery:

I am not getting channel data for all the HD channels.. is it because I have the tvformat as PAL?

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kdubya:

what country?

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jeffery:

au

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kdubya:

ah

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kdubya:

im no help then

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jeffery:

I am pretty sure sheperd grabbed the data, except it is not showing in mythweb

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Aval0n:

Is the netflix module functional in 20.2

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Aval0n:

?

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iamlindoro:

It works in trunk so I'm sure it works in .20.2

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mzb:

jeffery: check the channel table to ensure that the HD channels have xmlID

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mzb:

also, do you recall setting up the channels with mythfilldatabase --configure?

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mzb:

it will ask you if you want HD

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mzb:

there's a comment in the wiki about enabling the noquiet option

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mzb:

and then you can specify a logfile for mythfilldatabase (in the frontend setup? ... or somewhere)

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CyberKnet:

weird stuff. I just upgraded to 0.20.2 (via atrpms) and when I play a recorded show, the video just shows up as a staticy pink screen, with choppy audio... meanwhile the whole time the frontend is outputting "NVP: prebuffering pause" to the console

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jeffery:

mzb, all the xmltvid's have shepherd in them. eg. tenhd.shepherd.au is this right?

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mzb:

sounds ok

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jeffery:

ok I can't seem to view the liveTv either

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kdubya:

anyone have firewire working on fedora 7 or 8?

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kdubya:

this is a complete pain in the ass

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jeffery:

mzb, sorry to be a pain.. do you have "Perform EIT scan" checked in your Video Source Setup ?

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mzb_d800:

no

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jeffery:

ok

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kormoc:

kdubya, I've heard of people using a fc6 kernel with fc7 with limited success, but donno how well that actually works

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, I think I may know why I am not getting the stream. Does freqid column in channel table need to contain the frequency I suppose?

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mzb:

you're using a framegrabber card?

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jeffery:

I don't have a problem playing DVB through kaffeine client.. it all works except on mythtv

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jeffery:

I am using a Hauupage DVB-T card

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mzb:

on my dvb channels, freqid is the same as channum

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mzb:

(not sure of the difference)

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jeffery:

mine is all null

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EnderTheThird:

ok, stupid question. where in the hell to transcoded shows get saved?

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EnderTheThird:

*do transcoded shows get saved...?

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xris:

EnderTheThird: same place as the original

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xris:

it's transcoding, not exporting

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xris:

if you want to save somewhere else, use nuvexport.

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EnderTheThird:

so it's just in the recordings folder?

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HReadren:

Can someone help out with mythweather in svn? There's something very strange happening. After I add a screen from inactive to active, I get prompted for "units"...

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HReadren:

But then I can't get the cursor down to the active screen list to configure it. I must be missing something obvious. This is svn 14739.

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HReadren:

I know I've configured it once before. The script pre-reqs are all there.

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levander`:

Is there a list of all the keyboard keys you use when you are watching live tv? Not finding a page like that on the wiki.

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kormoc:

levander`, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindi . . . _Browse_Mode

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mzb_d800:

HReadren: afaik mythweather is bork3d

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mzb_d800:

EnderTheThird: it becomes an .nuv file

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mzb_d800:

(in recordings)

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mzb_d800:

levander`: google for mythtv keybindings

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mzb_d800:

and I'm blind ;)

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HReadren:

worked 3 weeks ago or so...

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HReadren:

this is in svn.

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orkid:

hi. just getting into pvr, tv on computer/etc. i'm wondering if there are good places on the net to look for 'current' hardware. dvb-s, hdtv, mpeg encoders/decoders (if separate from the receivers/tuners).

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orkid:

where to learn about putting together the hardware part of the setup, the A/V hardware parts specifically

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rooaus:

Has anyone looked at translations? What is the purpose of the themestring.h files?

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, whats the difference between Seven Digital, Seven Digital 1, Seven Digital 2 & Seven Digital 3

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levander:

How do I know if Myth is using XvMC or not?

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mzb:

jeffery: no idea ... different in Tas

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mzb:

but it does mean (with multirec at least) that you could have overlapping programmes and still be able to record all of them with soft-padding enabled

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mzb:

(if they show the same programmes, of course;)

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mzb:

eg: If you had back to back episodes of "Everyone Loves Raymond" at 1am (when schedule might be 15mins out)

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mzb:

you should be able to automatically schedule them with a 5min pre and a 15min post soft-pad and still be reasonably certain that you will get two complete episodes

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mzb:

where the 1st one might record on #1, and the 2nd on #2

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mzb:

in Tas, 7 is basically covered by Southern Cross ... which in the past used to be a rural "reseller" of both 7 and 10

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mzb:

that may have changed slightly since the introduction of TDT (Tas Digitial Television) which is #10

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mzb:

the bad part about SCT being 7 and 10 is that you (used to?) get Neighbours and Home&Away on the same # ;)

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jeffery:

mzb, Neighbours I thought was on Ten and Home&Away is on Seven

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mzb_d800:

something like that

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mzb_d800:

I don't pay much attention to those ;)

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jeffery:

I am still struggling to get mythtv play the tv stream... re-doing the shepherd configuration as I noticed the dtv_multiplex table didn't have any data

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: I notice you mentioned overlapping recordings with multirec and soft-pad... My understanding was hard padding should work as well (from the same transport), Is that the case, I have not tested mulitrec myself?

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mzb_d800:

I would think so, but I'm not willing to change my setup yet to find out (just in case I change back(

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mzb_d800:

I have a new tuner on its way ;)

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mzb_d800:

($23 delivered;)))

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: fair enough, I was hoping it was a matter of your scheduling (which I understand) :)

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rooaus:

More tuners the better by the way... I have three DVB-T singles, would like one more I think.

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mzb_d800:

new tuner is a DVB 2 GO USB 2.0

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mzb_d800:

hopefully it will arrive soon

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mzb_d800:

as I'm moving the tuners to a different machine (to counteract the noise generated through audio on bdetv when recording)

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mzb_d800:

nice if I can get dvd2go to work ... research tends to suggest I will

[09:55:06]

rooaus:

I am still only running 1 combined FE/BE :(

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mzb_d800:

thanks for making me feel well endowed ;)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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rooaus:

Really need to get a dedicated Master BE running soonish, need to convince the missus it is in her best interest (me being better endowed that is) ;)

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mzb_d800:

I've completed the new remote receiver for the bedtv ... hasn't had a real workout yet but The Financial Controller says "it's very sensitive" ... so we'll see ... won't be long before she starts approving items for mythboxen from family funds (rather than my pocket $;))

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mzb_d800:

(just need to get her totally hooked first ;p)

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: The problem when they a fully on board is that it is difficult to play with the box, it becomes an essential service. I am still trying to upgrade my production box, it is running Gentoo and is 18 months out of date.

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rooaus:

I have a half configured buntu install on another hdd that needs to be completed.

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: I have a half configured buntu install on another hdd that needs to be completed.

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mzb_d800:

haven't figured out why the connection drops ... but having a keepawake script on the router helps ;)

[10:04:02]

rooaus:

heh

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mzb_d800:

setup a mythbox "specifically" *cough* for her? :) (ie. theme it with her fav. colour;))

[10:05:22]

rooaus:

xris: Have you seen http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4130 , might be of use with your firewire "issues" :)

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jeffery:

mzb, "Set up your MythTV channels by running mythtv-setup, going into the Channel Editor, and using the Channel Scanner." what do you do when you get a lot of channels you don't want.. like radio channels and all

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xris:

rooaus: so it might.

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, ^

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xris:

I actually just patched the scheduler to consider zero-byte recordings as worthy of replacement

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mzb_d800:

jeffery: you can delete them in mythweb, and then add "--update" the the mythfilldatabase arguments (in setup somewhere) so that the stations don't get re-added every night

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rooaus:

xris: Seemed like an interesting idea. Although 0 Byte recordings is a simple test that would be useful in most situations.

[10:08:19]

xris:

yup

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, I suppose nobody keeps the guide channel either

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mzb:

jeffery: sorry?

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jeffery:

mzb, I was just confirming the deleting of "guide channels"

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mzb_d800:

lost me ... I've been combining chocolate with beer ... so not much is getting through atm ;)

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: Chocolate and stout works ;)

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xris:

porter, too

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rooaus:

mmm

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rooaus:

jeffery: Yeah, can the guide channels. Or at least mark them not visible.

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ol_schoola_:

chocolate stout, mmmmm

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ol_schoola_:

chris!

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ol_schoola_:

what are you doing up at this hour

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xris:

me? installing fedora.

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ol_schoola_:

8?

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xris:

well, re-configuring now that it's installed

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xris:

yeah

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ol_schoola_:

hows it taking?

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xris:

looks nice so far

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xris:

new gnome feels much faster

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ol_schoola_:

have new am2 mobo, chip and a pair of Tb drives, going to play musical BE/FE this weekend

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ol_schoola_:

F8 it is then

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ol_schoola_:

entered any brews in competitions lately?

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rooaus:

mmm... real beer! No wonder there was a reference to porter ;)

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xris:

ol_schoola_: I don't brew beer. and haven't entered any of my mead or cider in any competitions

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ol_schoola_:

omg, i forgot, you're a mead guy

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xris:

I don't drink enough beer, and am too picky, to make my own

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ol_schoola_:

have you crossed paths with Deborah (queenbee@gotmead...) yet?

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ol_schoola_:

she's in Denver

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mzb_d800:

hmm smartplaylist crashed mythmusic

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mzb_d800:

missed that ... got some brewers in # ?

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mzb_d800:

I used to run a home brewing club at uni years ago ... still got all the gear ;)

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mzb_d800:

Monty Python Appreciation Society (anagram of SPAM;) ... used to do 1000 bottles/year ... BBQ's @ $0.50 ea for as much as you could eat and drink in 6 hrs (and we made a profit;)

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ol_schoola_:

sounds like a miniature GABF

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mzb_d800:

most lethal drink was alcoholic ginger beer (about 10% ?)

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ol_schoola_:

drat. the Maemo website is crushed for SDK dl's

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ol_schoola_:

what kind was it?

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ol_schoola_:

the foundation?

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harvest316:

I'm wondering where I could get an idea of the most compatible nvidia card? I'm about to switch from ATI to nvidia, just not sure which model.

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rooaus:

It used to be a FX5200 would be fine, there has been some recent work that does/will leverage the advanced features of the better GPUs. There are some discussions on the mailing list about this in relation to the mythtv-vid branch.

[12:35:37]

quicksilver:

the recent developments with ATI/AMD would suggest that ATI might be a better bet, going forward

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quicksilver:

but it's only the modern ATI cards which are getting the new open sourced drivers

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TaucherMK:

i cannot see any fonts in the main menu of mythtv, but i can go through it, for example just by pressing enter i get to TV. How can i get the fonts in main menu, i also tested another skin, but it doesn't works anyway

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rooaus:

TaucherMK: Check you have msttcorefonts installed.

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TaucherMK:

i have and i also reinstalled it for testing

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TaucherMK:

and the fonts in the config menu are visible

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jeffery:

is it possible to not record when viewing LiveTv ?

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rooaus:

jeffery: No, that is a fundamental aspect of being able to pause and rewind live tv. Is there a rason for asking?

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jeffery:

rooaus, no reason... just was wondering if it is possible

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jeffery:

I understand now why its been recorded

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rooaus:

Myth will "expire" livetv recordings every day or so and if you are running low on space they are the first (second if using the deleted group functionality) to get expired.

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jeffery:

rooaus, what is "deleted group" functionality?

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rooaus:

It was recently added to trunk, when a recording is deleted it is actually moved to the "Deleted Group" and given a really high auto expire priority. This means you can undelete the recording at a later date if it hasn't been auto expired yet.

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joyzlin:

hi there. if anyone is using commercial detection did you also notice that the myth setting "notify but don't skip the commercial" doesn't work? it skips the commercial automagically.. using multirec branch here..

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jeffery:

cool

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sebrock:

Need some help on partitioning my media storage. This uses XFS and is currently assigned the whole disc, now I have to partition the disc to let 50GB be a backup drive. Without losing any media stored on the disc. How would I go about to do this (command-wise)

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sebrock:

no one?

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Schmidt:

sebrock: i don't think XFS can shrink...

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sebrock:

so it's not possible?

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Schmidt:

probably not

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sebrock:

damn it

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sebrock:

anyway, if I had a ext3 disk? how would I do this then?

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rooaus:

sebrock: Check out http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php

[13:11:28]

sebrock:

its in a server so guess it would be parted then

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jduggan:

so you want to partition the disk so the second partition can be a backup?

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jduggan:

what happens if the disk dies?

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sebrock:

Basically what I need to know is how to partition the drive to a certain size thus letting the first partition still have space

[13:12:31]

sebrock:

the backup is not intended for that system so it's alright

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sebrock:

ie letting my media storage be able to grow and yet having 50GB to backup on

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sebrock:

partitioning the new partition to a block right after the first ends would this not "fix" the the first partition to that size or is this not how a hdd works?

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mzb_d800:

sebrock: learn LVM

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mzb_d800:

and bind mounts ;)

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sebrock:

very constructive :)

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sebrock:

not possible to just answer my question?

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joyzlin:

anyone using mytharchive?

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rooaus:

joyzlin: Sometimes, but I am using trunk (so are you if using multirec :))

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rooaus:

^^^ you know what I mean

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tjcarter:

mythweb and Mac frontend are both broken for me. =/

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** tjcarter is not likely to get near MythArchive until those things get fixed **

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jeffery:

is there a place I can check the signal strength?

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sebrock:

your card driver tools

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joyzlin:

rooaus: I have an issue with the image that is used for the DVD menu

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rooaus:

jeffery: F7 I think when watching livetv brings up the signal monitor

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joyzlin:

rooaus: it's taken somewhere from the begining of the movie

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joyzlin:

rooaus: but there are ads

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joyzlin:

rooaus: I was hoping the cutlist would tell the mytharchive to take the picture from the movie not the ads

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jeffery:

hmm 56% strength.. is that normal?

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joyzlin:

rooaus: don't you know if it's possible to tell mytharchive where to get the picture from (time offset or something)?

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jeffery:

I am connected to the main antenna through a splitter

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rooaus:

joyzlin: Did you tell mytharchive to use the cutlist?

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joyzlin:

rooaus: definitely

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joyzlin:

rooaus: the final DVD is perfect, without any ads

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joyzlin:

rooaus: but the DVD menu contains the picture from ads :-(

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joyzlin:

rooaus: I even tried to get rid of the commercials first by running transcode

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joyzlin:

rooaus: but for some weird reason mytharchive again picked up the wrong image for the dvd menu – not sure from where since the recording shouldn't have contain it anymore

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rooaus:

joyzlin: Maybe it was using a preview picture that was already generated (prior to transcode), what is the preview used in the frontend watch recordings?

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joyzlin:

rooaus: I don't know whether frontend generates any pictures – it definitely doesn't show them in the GUI. But it's a good idea. I will need to check where the pictures are stored, if they are generated, whether mytharchive really uses them and if deleting them prior to runing mytharchive helps to generate them properly (with the cutlist in mind)

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rooaus:

The preview pixmaps are stored in the same directory as the original recording, if you know the recording filename it won't be hard to find the image.

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joyzlin:

yes I think I remember something like that. But since the GUI doesn't show them for months (probably since I switched from 0.20 to trunk) I forgot about them

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joyzlin:

rooaus: if your theory is right then it's absolutely easy to get the right picture for the dvd menu – by enabling the "generate preview picture from bookmark" feature, then setting the bookmark at the right position... I am going to try it out right now

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levander:

Does anyone here have one monitor setup for your desktop, and then a television setup to watch MythTV? Both the monitor and the television being attached to the same graphics card in the same computer?

[14:46:53]

levander:

The Ubuntu wiki recommends a couple of different ways of doing it, I'm just wondering which way people are doing it

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Dibblah:

levander: It pretty much completely depends on your video card.

[14:48:36]

Dibblah:

ATI / NVidia / ... all do it differently.

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levander:

One of the problems is that if you don't do it this certain way, you are going to experience "tearing". Supposedly because the video card doesn't support video overlay on a second monitor. Anybody know what tearing is?

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Dibblah:

Sheesh.

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Dibblah:

That's a nasty description :)

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levander:

Dibblah: It's an nVidia card. The first two ways are TwinView or 2 X servers.

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Dibblah:

tearing is generally where the frame rate doesn't match the source material exactly.

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levander:

Dibblah: Read at the very, very bottom, where it's called "An Alternate Way. (Also Complicated)": https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut . . . =%28TVOUT%29

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Dibblah:

So you get a screen update happening in the middle of the screen, rather than during the VBI.

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levander:

Dibblah: So, if I use TwinView, am I gonna get tearing?

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Dibblah:

blanking interval.

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Dibblah:

I really don't know if it'll work at all on 2 displays.

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Dibblah:

Tell us how it goes on the Wiki, though ;)

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levander:

They mention MythTV a couple of places in those guides. Like they know a lot of people are gonna use it for MythTV. I'm definitely not the first to try this.

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kdubya:

anyone got firewire working in fedora 7 or 8?

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kdubya:

i am having trouble getting the old drivers working

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Finswimmer:

hi, DVB is not working in mythtv, but with czap/mplayer it works. it says that there is no channel lock

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directhex:

cable?

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directhex:

unencrypted?

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Finswimmer:

yes

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Finswimmer:

yes

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directhex:

as long as it's *really* unencrypted, and you're not "accidentally" forgetting to mention you use a softcam

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Finswimmer:

softcam? do not know what that is.

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Finswimmer:

but yeah it is really really unencrypted. and with mplayer dvb://zdf it is working

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Dibblah:

Finswimmer: It's likely that the stream you're getting is not standards compliant.

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Dibblah:

... Specifically, the NIT doesn't match the local frequency table.

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Finswimmer:

i have created a new channels.conf with dvbscan

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Dibblah:

dvbscan is even less likely to work than the internal scanner.

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Dibblah:

Pretty sure there was a patch on one of the tickets assigned to Janne, with a workaround.

[15:18:41]

Finswimmer:

hmm. what confuses me is that it works with mplayer.

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Finswimmer:

so I should try svn?

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Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3640

[15:19:39]

Dibblah:

mplayer isn't trying to enumerate the streams the way Myth is.

[15:20:33]

Dibblah:

SVN with the last patch on that ticket, and you'll need to know the correct network_id for your local DVB-c provider.

[15:20:51]

Dibblah:

(You need to edit the network_id in the patch)

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Finswimmer:

uh. network_id whats that and where do i get it?

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Dibblah:

Ask your provider or look in the configuration pages for your STB.

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lt_james:

hello everybody!!!

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kdubya:

Hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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lt_james:

i am getting some problems with mythtv's setting-up and making it find tv channels

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lt_james:

firstly

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lt_james:

when I make my capture card use a source video...

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lt_james:

... and then I ask Watch tv I get an error that says that I am recording somethin

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lt_james:

but I am not!!!

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kdubya:

what kind of card?

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kdubya:

analogue or digital

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Finswimmer:

Dibblah: there is no real patch? only a svn diff?

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lt_james:

it has both

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kdubya:

what card is it

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lt_james:

kdubya: it is a hauppauge

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lt_james:

kdubya: It is detected by my Operating System

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Dibblah:

Finswimmer: That's a patch.

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Dibblah:

What do you mean "real patch"?

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kdubya:

uhm

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lt_james:

kdubya: it's logs says its model too (it is a WinTV HVR 3000 Trio)

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lt_james:

but, as I said, my card is found

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kdubya:

i dont know what that card is

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Finswimmer:

Dibblah: a real patch is a file which you can use with patch -p0. but this looks like a list of changes.

[15:33:23]

lt_james:

those are my main problems: it starts (or it seems to start) recording and that it does not find any channel... it doesn't matter if it is an analgue channel or a digita one

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lt_james:

I am using these drivers:

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Dibblah:

Ah, right :)

[15:33:47]

Dibblah:

Look at the bottom of the page ;)

[15:34:02]

Dibblah:

It's just Trac presenting it in a pretty format...

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clever:

2007-11–10 11:29:39.459 SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates.

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Finswimmer:

Dibblah: yeah. thanks.

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lt_james:

kdubya: if I add the analgue part I use V4L, it I use digital one I use...

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clever:

what might cause that?

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lt_james:

kdubya: conextan cx22702

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Dibblah:

clever: Your card doesn't do that rate.

[15:35:22]

lt_james:

and It is for DVB-T

[15:35:27]

clever:

Dibblah: ah

[15:35:39]

clever:

i'll edit the settings then

[15:35:45]

kdubya:

so you are saying that you get the error that all available tuners are in use?

[15:35:51]

Dibblah:

Unless it's transcoding to a DVD profile, in which case, choose a compliant rate.

[15:36:04]

Dibblah:

(Not sure where that error comes from)

[15:36:09]

clever:

Dibblah: it came from mythbackend(every time it starts recording)

[15:36:26]

lt_james:

kdubya: in fact, they are not in use becasue i don't get any channel...

[15:36:28]

Dibblah:

Right. Change the recording profile, then :)

[15:36:43]

clever:

Dibblah: also mythfrontend segfaults every time i finish editing a recording profile

[15:37:02]

lt_james:

and If i look for them i don't get any one... But in MS W I do

[15:37:03]

clever:

but the changes seem to apply still...

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Dibblah:

clever: Funky. Backtrace?

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clever:

i can make another

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clever:

i'll segfault it while i edit the settings then get one

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kdubya:

lt_james, what version of myth?

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lt_james:

so, I know I should get something... that's why we can think that I have not done something well

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lt_james:

kdubya: hang on, please

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kdubya:

its either 20.2 or svn

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lt_james:

i don't think it is svn, so, it should be 20.2... but I will check it out

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kdubya:

are you sure that the backend is running?

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lt_james:

that't right, 20.2

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clever:

taking a while just to get the FE to load

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clever:

damn frame grabber

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kdubya:

i get that error sometimes when the cards are detected in the wrong order

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lt_james:

kdubya: i have to load it "by hand"

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lt_james:

kdubya: and sometimes I have to reload it again because frontend does not find it when it is running... mysql database exists

[15:41:43]

kdubya:

i dunno man

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kdubya:

might want to try and view it with mplayer

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kdubya:

see if it is myth or your drivers

[15:42:32]

clever:

seg faulting....

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lt_james:

kdubya: ok, i'll look for that isues... thx a lot!!!

[15:43:09]

clever:

damnit no core dump

[15:43:22]

Finswimmer:

Dibblah: just to be sure that the path could fix it. i have found my forum entry. there is the output of mythfrontend and mythbackend. maybe you could look at it? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6725

[15:43:50]

clever:

forgot to set the ulimit

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Dibblah:

Finswimmer: That doesn't help much.

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Dibblah:

The problems you'll see are in mythtv-setup during the channel scan.

[15:44:51]

Dibblah:

And DON'T import from dvbscan.

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clever:

Dibblah: got a dump:)

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clever:

also when i turned the rate up one i got 2007-11–10 11:45:15.226 SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 44100 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates.

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Dibblah:

Just a backtrace is fine.

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clever:

yeah i can get a backtrace from the dump

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Dibblah:

What's the capture card?

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clever:

not shure

[15:46:33]

clever:

i have 2 sound cards in the box

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clever:

snd_als4000 and snd_intel8x0

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clever:

one for playback and the other for recording

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clever:

had problems in the past if myth used it for recording while something else played at a DIFF rate(same card)

[15:48:33]

Dibblah:

Try 48k.

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clever:

i'll try that after i pastebin the trace

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clever:

http://www.pastebin.ca/768382

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Dibblah:

Is this absolutely current SVN?

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clever:

14799

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clever:

14800 cuts my free space in half

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Dibblah:

>14813

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Dibblah:

clever: Ummm... So half your bitrate? ;)

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clever:

if i go past 14800 i'll loose half my disk space

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clever:

i could try that but its in the middle of a recording atm

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Dibblah:

And I'm just meaning that as a workaround

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clever:

the files are doubling in size

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clever:

so its not obeying the bitrate it seems

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Dibblah:

Or obeying it where it wasn't before.

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clever:

i cut the bitrate down a fair ammount in my transcoding profile

[15:52:44]

clever:

and it was cutting my files in half

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clever:

when it wasnt seg faulting mythtranscode

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Finswimmer:

Dibblah: what is the best way to scan?

[15:53:45]

Dibblah:

Finswimmer: 'Scan single transport', ISTR.

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Dibblah:

Then scan all know transports.

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Dibblah:

known, even.

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Finswimmer:

2007-11–10 16:55:10.873 DVBTuning Warning: Invalid inversion, aborting, falling back to 'auto'

[15:55:26]

Finswimmer:

2007-11–10 16:55:10.874 DVBTuning Error: Invalid symbol rate parameter '0', aborting.

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Finswimmer:

will the patch help at all?

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clever:

turning sound sample rate up more

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clever:

Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap.

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clever:

:S

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clever:

i didnt set any breakpoints...

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clever:

(cont led to this)

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clever:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.

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xand:

hmm, since upgrading mythweb I get "Fatal error: Call to a member function rec_override() on a non-object in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/upcoming.php on line 41" on certain pages :|

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clever:

Dibblah: upgrading to 14830 to see if anything is fixed

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Finswimmer:

is there a real live svn ebuild for gentoo?

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[-clever-]`ca:

Dibblah: master backend locked up solid while burning a dvd...

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[-clever-]`ca:

(and irc was going thru it)

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[-clever-]`ca:

didnt see the panic msg(if there was one)

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BULLE:

^o^

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[-clever-]`ca:

serial console fixed

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[-clever-]`ca:

now i'll have more info next time it happens

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clever:

thats a new bug

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clever:

auto expire moves things to the deleted group

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clever:

giving me no more free space then before the move!

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clever:

now it will probly take 20mins before it expires properly

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janneg:

it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes

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[-clever-]`ca:

10mins to expire to the delete group

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[-clever-]`ca:

another 10mins to actualy expire it

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[-clever-]`ca:

assuming nothing starts to comm flag it

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BULLE:

why two nicks, one nice and one in annoying form ?

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[-clever-]`ca:

the other one crashed with my master backend

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[-clever-]`ca:

so i got this backup client on

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BULLE:

aha

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[-clever-]`ca:

and the autojoin on the other is causing it to change windows every 30 seconds

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[-clever-]`ca:

so its imposible to type 2 words in right now

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kdubya:

asdf

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BULLE:

kdubya: exactly

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kdubya:

asdfirewiresucks

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clever:

janneg: also an older auto expire bug

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clever:

it refuses to expire something if its being commflagged

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clever:

so it waits for the flaging to end then deletes the show and flaging data

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kdubya:

heh

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clever:

making the whole wait for it to finish meaningless

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kdubya:

nice use of processing power

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clever:

also

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clever:

90% of the time it ran into 0 bytes free because of that

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kdubya:

wait for it to calculate some crap through the whole show then delete it immediately

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clever:

causing mythbackend to get stuck in a inf loop

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clever:

then nothing works until i kill the backend manualy delete something and restart it

[16:46:02]

clever:

i 'fixed' it by just making it auto expire sooner(2gig min means it would need to record more at once to have the same effect)

[16:46:09]

clever:

record 1 hour and flag it

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clever:

record the 2nd hour of something else and expire it since no flaging slots are free

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clever:

now that i have 3 boxes able to flag at once thats out the window:P

[16:47:39]

clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3292 is for that auto expire bug

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clever:

'Stop reopening this ticket. '

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clever:

if i knew where the inuse stuff was tracked id patch it myself

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Finswimmer:

i have a scratched dvd. while playing it in mythtv it ends because it cannot read a particular scene. is there a way to tell mythtv that it should jump over this?

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kdubya:

watch it until it crashes, then skip straight to the scene after the one that crashes?

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TaucherMK:

when i click on Television i just get a black screen, nothing happens, the log shows nothing unnormal

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Finswimmer:

kdubya: i thought of something more automatic...

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Finswimmer:

just like a standalone dvd player. if it cannot read something it shows green dots/skip it

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kdubya:

dunno

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kdubya:

you could try switching to xine maybe it handles it better

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Finswimmer:

maybe one can try to tell the dvd itself to be more tolerante

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kdubya:

i doubt there is some setting you could find that would do that

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Aval0n:

hey guys, Most of the time I'm running spdif sound out to my plasma tv. However when I watch movies, I use the spdif out to my receiver. When AC3 passthrough is enabled in general settings. I can pass DTS or whatever I need to the receiver no problem. But when it goes to the TV via HDMI, i just get buzzing. I can turn off AC3 and get normal sound to the TV, but then the digital signal going to the reciever won't decode DTS or THX

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Aval0n:

is there a way to JUST enable AC3 passthrough when I play a DVD or load a video from mythtv videos?

[16:56:25]

Finswimmer:

hmm. yeah. it was just a thought...

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kdubya:

the dvd player is still kind of new

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kdubya:

thats why xine might handle bad discs a little better

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Aval0n:

yeah the other weird thing with the DVD player is my menu cursors aren't lining up with the words correctly.

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Finswimmer:

kdubya: i will try it now.

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Aval0n:

the DVD player has done well with everything i've thrown at it so far. :)

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

ive never even used it

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kdubya:

i dont own a single dvd

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

joo a pirate? :)

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Dibblah:

clever: Yes.

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Aval0n:

haha you don't have to answer that

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kdubya:

i never watch movies

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Aval0n:

not even in theatres?

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kdubya:

i think i probably pirated like 5 or 6 of them in the last year

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Aval0n:

ahh

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kdubya:

ill go to the theater

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Aval0n:

cool.

[17:00:26]

Aval0n:

I sure wish I could get my analog cable looking better.

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kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

it looks like crap no mater what you do

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Aval0n:

it's leaps and bounds better from where it used to be, but still stinks on some chans

[17:00:55]

kdubya:

i upgraded to svn and i think it looks better now

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kdubya:

i dont see why it should but i think it does

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Aval0n:

really?

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Aval0n:

that's odd

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kdubya:

there are more filters and deinterlacing stuff

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Aval0n:

no crap?

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

is it pretty stable?

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kdubya:

i am trying to get firewire working now

[17:02:13]

kdubya:

so at least my SD will be digital

[17:02:23]

kdubya:

yeah i havnt had any problem with it

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Aval0n:

I'de just pay for satellite or digital cable, but it's like I lose functionality.

[17:02:37]

Aval0n:

right now I have dish dvr with 2 tuners in it

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Aval0n:

and after I get the myth box fully setup I am going to disco it

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kdubya:

digital cable is goddam cheaper than just plain cable here

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kdubya:

its retarded

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Aval0n:

well cox is my provider and they don't have a box with 2 tuners

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Aval0n:

which is big for me.

[17:03:22]

Aval0n:

I have a pvr500 and a kworld 115

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Aval0n:

the 2 analog tuners is a nice feature.

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kdubya:

yeah

[17:03:41]

kdubya:

you can get 2 boxes

[17:03:41]

kdubya:

heh

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

yeah, $$$

[17:04:01]

Aval0n:

then rely on IR blasters to control them

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kdubya:

i went into time warner last week

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kdubya:

and said i want to cancel my phone and add HD

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kdubya:

and she said some crap and changed my bill from 130 to $82

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kdubya:

i was like

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kdubya:

wtf

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

that's cool

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kdubya:

well with firewire you dont need IR

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Aval0n:

yeah, granted cox have a box with firewire.

[17:05:22]

kdubya:

they have to by law

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kdubya:

i had to wait like a week to get mine but they gave me one

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Aval0n:

Are you sure about that?

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kdubya:

yeah

[17:05:46]

Aval0n:

hmm why

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kdubya:

FCC mandate

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Aval0n:

so I could just use the composite in on the pvr 500s

[17:06:18]

kdubya:

well that wouldnt be HD

[17:06:35]

Aval0n:

right, if I could just hd SD in digital i'de be happy

[17:06:40]

Aval0n:

I get all the locals with my kworld in HD now.

[17:06:47]

kdubya:

yeah

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Aval0n:

wasn't easy doing it with QAM

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kdubya:

is your QAM flakey with that card?

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Aval0n:

when you get multiple chans on the same multiplex, myth scanner doesn't know wtf to do

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Aval0n:

just skips em

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Aval0n:

no

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Aval0n:

it takes like 3 seconds to tune a QAM chan but it's fine.

[17:07:48]

kdubya:

during certain times of the day it seems like my signal strength is too low

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kdubya:

i get random green blocks

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Aval0n:

well I changed out cables and connectors all the way from the handoff

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Aval0n:

and I get 98% always

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Aval0n:

i've seen those maybe twice

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kdubya:

heh

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Aval0n:

but WAAY less than with OTA

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kdubya:

i havnt hooked it up to OTA

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Aval0n:

I didn't have mythtv hooked up OTA, but I had my TV using it

[17:09:18]

Aval0n:

just used a paperclip, and got all chans.

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Aval0n:

lol

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kdubya:

haha

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Aval0n:

those HD antennas are such a rip

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kdubya:

i have a $10 hd antenna i got while i was waiting for cable

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kdubya:

doesnt work well

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kdubya:

figured it would work even worse going into a computer

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Aval0n:

you must be far away.

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Aval0n:

cool, I gtg I'll ttyl :)

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kdubya:

later

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AL13N:

how do i get alsa output or change the internal player (eg: music)?

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Dibblah:

Summary ALSA:default in the frontend settings.

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Dibblah:

Detail: Read the documentation.

[17:20:06]

Dibblah:

Change the music player: You can't.

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Philyboy:

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Sembiance:

So I just bought a Playstation 3 and I noticed that it automatically detected my MythTV server and lets me play videos from it.

[17:25:17]

Sembiance:

What feature of MythTV is allowing the PS3 to see it?

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visit0r:

upnp

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Sembiance:

Basically I can play most videos, but none of the sound comes through, probably because MythTV is using a codec that the PS3 doesn't support.

[17:26:25]

Sembiance:

So I'm trying to research what codec I need and where in mythtv I can change what codec the sound is stored in (hopefully WITHOUT transcoding)

[17:26:35]

Sembiance:

but I guess the latter depends on video source

[17:26:51]

clever:

i think you can transcode without affecting the video track

[17:27:44]

clever:

Sembiance: what is your current card to record with?

[17:28:00]

Sembiance:

clever: I have four HDTV signals from two HDHomeRun boxes and I have two PVR 250 cards.

[17:28:23]

clever:

ahh

[17:28:45]

Sembiance:

clever: How did the PS3 auto detect and play content from mythbackend? I'm very curious. I'm guessing it's some sort of 'standard' MythTV implements. I tried searching online, but all I get are results on how to run Myth ON a playstation rather than how the communication between the two works :)

[17:28:49]

clever:

try playing recordings from both sources and see if they are all deaf?

[17:29:06]

clever:

mythtv has a upnp server(universal plug and play)

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Sembiance:

I tried a two from the HD recordings, and two from the standard def, both are silent.

[17:29:19]

clever:

which advertises things(like video's) to the network

[17:29:22]

Sembiance:

ahhh cool

[17:29:31]

clever:

any upnp video player can play from it

[17:30:17]

clever:

how is the sound getting into the PVR 250 card?

[17:30:46]

Sembiance:

clever: The PVR 250 card just takes coax cable.

[17:30:52]

clever:

ahh

[17:31:17]

clever:

hardware encoder?

[17:31:39]

Sembiance:

okay, I re-tried the playing of video/sound

[17:31:50]

Sembiance:

it looks like the PVR250 recordings work fine, video+sound. sorry about the confusion

[17:31:57]

Sembiance:

I'm checking out multipl of the HDTV ones now...

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clever:

ahh:)

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Sembiance:

nope, the HDTV ones certainly don't work

[17:33:15]

clever:

what kind of setup does the HDHomeRun box provide?

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Sembiance:

I doubt I can add support for the new codecs to the PS3, I'm probably just stuck with the codecs sony provides.

[17:33:32]

Sembiance:

checking on that...

[17:33:44]

Dibblah:

clever: Ummm... Try a search?

[17:33:48]

Hilikus:

do i need to configure my fstab to mount automatically my mp3 player (usb mass storage)?? i heard ubuntu would mount it automatically but it doest

[17:33:48]

clever:

sounds like your choices are to change the HDHomeRun to output diff audio

[17:33:54]

Dibblah:

Google is quite good, I've heard ;)

[17:34:00]

Dibblah:

Ah, right.

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clever:

or transcode the sound in myth afterwards to a diff codec

[17:34:05]

Dibblah:

Stick – Wrong end of ;)

[17:34:17]

clever:

Dibblah: i am googling some but i thought some1 who actualy has one might know

[17:35:08]

clever:

but a digital receiver might not change the sound codec at all but just provide whatever is on the line allready

[17:35:29]

Sembiance:

Opening audio decoder: [liba52] AC3 decoding with liba52

[17:35:58]

Sembiance:

I don't have any option to change what it comes in as, so I guess I need to set up a transcode

[17:36:00]

clever:

yeah that was my guess since you can also stream ac3 right out the digital port on some sound cards

[17:36:08]

clever:

so it stays digital right to the speakers nearly

[17:36:21]

Sembiance:

hrm... last time I tried having MythTV transcode HDTV video I ended up with horrible sound sync issues :)

[17:36:28]

Sembiance:

that was months ago though, probably been fixed by now

[17:36:33]

clever:

but ive heard of some game console boxes could stram ac3 type stuff from the game's video and out there own digital port

[17:36:44]

clever:

does the ps3 have a digital sound out?

[17:36:56]

tcpsyn:

auto_rem_pro.7424.1040070.1 rich skgxn_sty

[17:37:29]

clever:

Sembiance: the ps3 might be sending the ac3 right out the digital sound port

[17:37:38]

tcpsyn:

ps3

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tcpsyn:

yea

[17:37:56]

Sembiance:

clever: hrm... your right, it may be. Maybe my receiver can't handle it?

[17:38:02]

tcpsyn:

It has optical out

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clever:

is that port actualy being used

[17:38:28]

clever:

also does the ps3 have support to decode the ac3 to analog internaly

[17:38:30]

Sembiance:

I'm using the optical out port :)

[17:39:09]

Sembiance:

I'm seeing lots of posts on the internet of people trying to get AC3 audio playing on PS3 with no luck yet

[17:39:17]

clever:

ahh:(

[17:39:49]

Sembiance:

hmmm...

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clever:

you should be able to transcode without affecting the vid track if you want to keep it mostly hd quality

[17:41:38]

pestilence:

so i got lirc working to the point that running irw results in echoing the keypresses i make on the remote

[17:41:42]

pestilence:

but it doesn't control myth

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pestilence:

i have a file in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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pestilence:

how do i debug why its not working?

[17:42:25]

Sembiance:

clever: Is that somethign that can be configured as a mythtv transcode job? or do I need to do that externally?

[17:42:45]

clever:

Sembiance: under recording profiles in the setup of the FE

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Sembiance:

clever: I took a peek just now at the transcoding config in mythfrontend, it looks like I need to specify video codecs

[17:42:52]

clever:

you can set the codec for audio/video

[17:42:57]

clever:

for different transcoding profiles

[17:43:26]

clever:

there is probly a way to not edit the video track though

[17:43:32]

clever:

which would also speed it up alot

[17:43:49]

Sembiance:

clever: k, I'll peek on the mythtv sites/message lists :)

[17:43:50]

pestilence:

ohhh...the user mythtv apparently can't access that device.

[17:43:55]

Sembiance:

clever: thanks for your help :)

[17:44:19]

clever:

dangit

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clever:

even when i dont edit a recoding profile it sefaults

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mindframe_:

are there any digital tuner cards that work in linux?

[17:45:35]

mindframe_:

err a pvr card specifically

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Hilikus:

mindframe_ i use hauppauge, most of their cards work

[17:46:01]

Hilikus:

im using the pvr-150

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Hilikus:

oh digital

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Hilikus:

nvm

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gileswwwrk:

heya peeps

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pestilence:

is there any way to change inputs when you are watching tv?

[17:47:56]

gileswwwrk:

I've been using xbmc for a few years, think I might bite the bullet and build a mythtv box though

[17:48:06]

Sembiance:

mindframe_: define what your after when you say 'digital tuner'

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Hilikus:

pestilence theres a key bind for that

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mindframe_:

i want it to work with ota hd antenna

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gileswwwrk:

I'd like something powerful enough to play hdtv and record uk dvb-t

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gileswwwrk:

do you guys rate the mcubed-mini as a all-in-one solution?

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pestilence:

Hilikus: by chance know what that is :-D

[17:49:38]

Hilikus:

ichanged all my bindings

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pestilence:

oh

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Hilikus:

i assign something useless to that cause i only have 1 tuner

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tcpsyn:

ac3 audio

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tcpsyn:

on the ps3

[17:50:07]

tcpsyn:

I've been working on this for a while

[17:50:17]

tcpsyn:

it doesn't support ac3 within the mpeg2-ts container.

[17:50:17]

Sembiance:

mindframe_: I use and LOVE http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun

[17:50:30]

tcpsyn:

It also wont work if you use losless transcoding to change the container.

[17:50:37]

tcpsyn:

But I found if I change the container with vlc, it'll work

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clever:

tcpsyn: and you could make a userjob for that?

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tcpsyn:

so I set up a user job to transcode them

[17:51:04]

tcpsyn:

yeah

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clever:

explain it to Sembiance and he will probly be fixed:) (if he has vlc)

[17:51:23]

tcpsyn:

I was hoping with the 2.00 firmware upgrade they'd fix it.

[17:51:33]

tcpsyn:

well, it's still not perfect.

[17:51:38]

tcpsyn:

let me see if I can find the script

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mindframe_:

Sembiance, pretty neat Sembiance

[17:52:50]

Sembiance:

tcpsyn: hrm

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clever:

the hdhomerun looks expensive from the mythtv wiki page on it

[17:53:26]

tcpsyn:

vlc -I dummy $DIR/$RECORDING :sout=file/ps://$DIR/$TMPRECORDING vlc:quit

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Sembiance:

mindframe_: the HDHomerun has TWO tuners.

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Sembiance:

mindframe_: So :)

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clever:

the cheapest hdhomerun on ebay is 140$

[17:54:20]

clever:

still not that low

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tcpsyn:

http://pastebin.com/m51fd2884

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Sembiance:

tcpsyn: So I haven't worked with user jobs before.. is this something that you do after it records? or when the PS3 requests video? or

[17:54:42]

tcpsyn:

thats the whole script

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Sembiance:

clever: It rocks because it doesn't take up PCI slots. I just slap them on my gigabit ethernet network, done.

[17:55:20]

clever:

Sembiance: all 12 ports on my switch are allready filled...

[17:55:30]

Sembiance:

clever: time to get a 32 port switch :)

[17:55:33]

clever:

lol

[17:55:47]

tcpsyn:

sembiance it will run the job when you tell it to.

[17:55:55]

mindframe_:

a dell 16 or 24 port would suffice

[17:55:59]

mindframe_:

pretty cheap too

[17:56:00]

tcpsyn:

could be automatic after each recording

[17:56:17]

Sembiance:

I wanted to be able to record 4 HDTV streams at once, and 2 standard def ones. So I had a hard time finding a box with a good motherboard and 6 PCI slots

[17:56:33]

Sembiance:

I didn't want to split up into multiple machines, so the HDHomerun is worth the price for me :)

[17:56:41]

Sembiance:

tcpsyn: hrm...

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clever:

and im jobless so any price is painfull

[17:57:30]

tcpsyn:

it plays back

[17:57:33]

tcpsyn:

but it plays back jumpy

[17:57:40]

tcpsyn:

I only tried it on a few recordings

[17:57:43]

tcpsyn:

just to get it to work

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tcpsyn:

could have been specific to those

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tcpsyn:

but I've set it up that I run it manually.

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tcpsyn:

from the recording menu

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Sembiance:

tcpsyn: so what exactly is the command doing? Do you run that ahead of time? is that making another file that's converted to a different container?

[17:58:20]

mindframe_:

i think im going to get this for my mythbox: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127028

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tcpsyn:

that's copying the source file to a tmp file while converting the container to mpeg2-ps, then it overwrites the source file with the tmp file.

[17:59:20]

Sembiance:

tcpsyn: hrm...

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clever:

if setup as a userjob within myth then you can start it from the frontend(or mark it to run on its own on things after they record)

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tcpsyn:

sembiance, it's a hack.

[18:00:21]

tcpsyn:

Some people reported sucess just using mythtranscode's lossless transcoding.

[18:00:27]

tcpsyn:

that's supposed to change the container.

[18:00:36]

tcpsyn:

But it still wouldn't play back on the ps3 for me.

[18:01:05]

tcpsyn:

I've also noticed that the ps3 won't play back mp3s from mythmusic with the myth upnp server, although if I use mediatomb as a upnp server, it will.

[18:01:58]

Sembiance:

tcpsyn: hrm! this is all very exciting. I just got this PS3 (along with a 1080p projector) and was thinking I'd have to spend more $$$ on a computer capable of outputing 1080p to my projector. Now I'm thinking maybe I can just use my PS3 instead :)

[18:02:21]

tcpsyn:

sembiance, I wouldn't bet on the ps3.

[18:02:30]

tcpsyn:

but you shouldn't need to spent much more money to use the computer

[18:02:58]

Sembiance:

tcpsyn: Your user job is something like this for launching it right? <script> %DIR% %FILE% ?

[18:03:04]

tcpsyn:

yes.

[18:03:15]

Sembiance:

tcpsyn: how long does the process tend to take?

[18:05:56]

tcpsyn:

it's quick.

[18:05:59]

tcpsyn:

a few minutes

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mindframe_:

the real question is why the heck hasnt sony opened up the ps3 for the homebrew scene

[18:08:03]

mindframe_:

it would become wildly popular

[18:08:11]

tcpsyn:

Which is absolutely beyond me.

[18:08:16]

gileswwwrk:

If I have a mythtv backend can it decode h264 hd content then stream it to my frontend as mpeg2?

[18:08:23]

tcpsyn:

I only bought the ps3 because it boasted media center capability.

[18:08:32]

mindframe_:

$400 for a really powerful htpc basically.

[18:08:34]

tcpsyn:

I didn't realize they got restrictive about what formats.

[18:08:45]

mindframe_:

sony is lame.

[18:08:59]

mindframe_:

i bought one the first day they came out... returned it 2 weeks later

[18:09:18]

Dibblah:

mindframe_: Actually, I think they licensed the mpeg decoder.

[18:09:44]

Dibblah:

LAME is just for Linux geeks ;)

[18:09:54]

mindframe_:

haha i didnt catch that at first

[18:11:21]

mindframe_:

i really think sony could get good ps3 sales if they opened it up

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orkid:

can anyone suggest a DVB-S card available in north america? hauppage seems to mostly market dvb-s to europe

[18:11:29]

mindframe_:

otherwise its a flop.

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mindframe_:

orkid, skywalker

[18:11:45]

orkid:

ty, i'll look it up

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tcpsyn:

The ps3 would rock so hard

[18:11:52]

tcpsyn:

but.

[18:11:54]

tcpsyn:

actually

[18:11:59]

tcpsyn:

I've been pretty dissapointed with it.

[18:12:05]

tcpsyn:

It plays SD content back fine.

[18:12:07]

mindframe_:

orkid: skywalker-1

[18:12:09]

tcpsyn:

but.

[18:12:09]

tcpsyn:

eh

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orkid:

mindframe_: only a dealer's catalog is available? am i at the right site? www.skywalker.com

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Dibblah:

The PS3 would rock so hard... If it wasn't a power hungry monster.

[18:14:19]

directhex:

and ps3 linux wasn't junk?

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Dibblah:

And was a _little_ more open.

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mindframe_:

directhex, because they havent opened it.

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tcpsyn:

I never used the ps3 linux

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directhex:

mindframe_, that doesn't help, sure, but no distro works around the problems adequately

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tcpsyn:

no point if I can't access the display

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tcpsyn:

shit.

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Dibblah:

And if it didn't have heatsinks the size of lower manhattan supported _by the main processor die_.

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directhex:

tcpsyn, even myth includes code to use cell instead of the gpu

[18:15:29]

tcpsyn:

reaaaaaaly

[18:15:37]

Dibblah:

No.

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tank-man:

the new ps3(40GB) use less power

[18:16:00]

tcpsyn:

That's the one I got

[18:16:00]

Dibblah:

There are patches available, but not in SVN, AFAIK.

[18:16:29]

TaucherMK:

when i click on television in the main Menu the Screen changes to black and is left black. The log says as normal that i changed from None to WatchingLiveTV, does anyone has a suggestion what this can be?

[18:16:32]

Dibblah:

They use a metric shovelfull, rather than a imperial.

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orkid:

anything more like pci, for dvb-s in north america?

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tcpsyn:

I use the pchdtv

[18:22:51]

tcpsyn:

but I don't know if that's dvb-s

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Dibblah:

DVB-s in NA is a little pointless.

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Dibblah:

There's very little that isn't encrypted.

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orkid:

there is some, on telsat5

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matooke:

I am gonna build my first MythTv box. What Hauppauge card is supported best under Linux? It should be affordable too. Thanx.

[18:25:20]

tjcarter:

we need cablecard PCI cards.

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Dibblah:

tjcarter: No.

[18:25:47]

tjcarter:

waddaya mean no?

[18:25:56]

tjcarter:

no not gonna happen or no we don't need them?

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** tjcarter knows the former ;) **

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Dibblah:

Not technically possible.

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tjcarter:

er

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mchou:

technically anything is possible

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Dibblah:

The idea of the CC is to bind the decryption to a box.

[18:26:46]

Dibblah:

And there's no way to have an 'open' box.

[18:27:12]

mchou:

no, the idea of CC is prevention of theft of signal

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mchou:

if it's just bind a box you can borrow the neighbor's box and get all his channels

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mindframe_:

Dibblah, yah but DN is pretty easy to decrypt :)

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Dibblah:

mindframe_: ... And generally we don't talk about that here.

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mindframe_:

i realize that

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mindframe_:

DN = DO NOT

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directhex:

what exactly makes CC different from CAM, other than the usual "NOT INVENTED HERE >_<" of american teevee-related matters?

[18:29:07]

Dibblah:

The idea is built on a trusted stack.

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Dibblah:

So everything from the processor upwards is nastily difficult to hack.

[18:29:53]

Dibblah:

With a CAM, the unencrypted stream is accessible in a number of places.

[18:30:17]

Dibblah:

With CC, the signal is encrypted in one way or another throughout the signal processing path.

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orkid:

any dvb-s2 cards to suggest? since it seems like s2 is going to be in over the next 10 years.

[18:32:10]

tjcarter:

fine, then we need DVI input cards that can be hacked to deal with HDCP and have onboard h.264 encoders in hardware. =p

[18:32:15]

Dibblah:

None, at the moment.

[18:32:38]

Dibblah:

S2 is still being hotly debated in linuxtv land.

[18:32:47]

Dibblah:

And there are no Myth patches.

[18:33:06]

Dibblah:

There isn't even (officially) any support for -s on -s2 hardware yet.

[18:34:05]

Dibblah:

And to say the DVB Linux community is a little fragmented is an understatement.

[18:34:15]

orkid:

why so?

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orkid:

(hotly debated)

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Dibblah:

There's 4 or so trees.

[18:34:36]

Dibblah:

... Personality conflicts, mainly.

[18:34:50]

Dibblah:

And a good dollop of history.

[18:35:08]

BULLE:

thats a bit sad

[18:35:10]

orkid:

well, i could use an s2 card to do s, and when s2 comes out more fully, upgrade software (which will hopefully be around then), and use the same h/w

[18:35:19]

Dibblah:

orkid: That's the point.

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Dibblah:

You can't.

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Dibblah:

As far as I am aware.

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orkid:

can't use an -s2 right now for -s ? it's backwards compatible i read (at least the hardware is)

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Dibblah:

Sure – If the drivers are available.

[18:37:51]

Dibblah:

Which they are not with the current API.

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Dibblah:

Feel free to prove me wrong, of course :)

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orkid:

hm, i see.

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Dibblah:

There has been a little positive discussion recently, but still not much.

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AL13N:

Dibblah: thanks

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AL13N:

had overlooked the alsa paragraph

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BULLE:

its sad, but im more and more putting my hopes up for firewire and usb2 tuners

[18:42:09]

AL13N:

is there a script that can get the metadata from the file itself?

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BULLE:

atleast they have decently standardized profiles for the type of devices

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AL13N:

ie: media length in seconds, etc...

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BULLE:

AL13N: most of the metadata isnt stored in the file, its stored in the mysql database

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Hilikus:

if i use gnome, my font when looking at the list of recorded progams is ok, but if i use fluxbox or xfce the font is very small, how do i fix that

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AL13N:

BULLE: i mean, for filling the mysql database

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AL13N:

there's this imdb.pl script

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AL13N:

but i'd like a local script (not using internet), but gets at least the length

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Dibblah:

AL13N: When you scan the music for the first time, it imports all of the data from the tags in the media.

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Dibblah:

So tag the media right before import :)

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Dibblah:

right == correctly.

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sebrock:

need some help from someone who can interpret dmesg output for me...

[19:00:11]

orkid:

Dibblah: where are the discussions? forums? irc? bug tracker? mailist lists?

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sebrock:

how can I figure stuff out like this: [ 605.288000] pnp: Failed to activate device 00:08.

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candyban:

hi guys ... is there a reason why mythtv will always crash my X when I try to connect from my mythfrontend to my mythbackend (other machine) ?

[19:08:42]

candyban:

I had this with ubuntu edgy, feisty and gutsy

[19:09:25]

candyban:

one with nvidia (nvidia driver) and one with ati (fglrx)

[19:09:54]

candyban:

Is there a way I can have more information about what exactly is going on?

[19:10:48]

sebrock:

anyone please, http://www.pastebin.ca/768611

[19:12:02]

candyban:

the frontend on the same server is working fine ... just when I try to connect remote frontends, the X server of the remote frontend crashes when I try to watch TV or watch recorded stuff (I can navigate the menus)

[19:13:54]

AL13N:

BULLE, Dibblah: sorry i wasn't clear at all; i was talking about movie files this time...

[19:14:19]

pestilence:

i need a cheapie pci video card with tv out, any suggestions?

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Dibblah:

orkid: For what?

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AL13N:

i'm using ListNoDB = 1 and the files keep growing fast; i'd just like to get the length in it

[19:15:16]

AL13N:

without having to consult the internet i mean

[19:15:23]

Dibblah:

AL13N: I don't use Mythvideo in that way, I'm afraid.

[19:15:34]

orkid:

Dibblah: dvb development for linux (dvb-s2).

[19:15:46]

Dibblah:

linuxtv mailing list.

[19:15:48]

AL13N:

so there's no second script that get the movie length out of file instead of through imdb?

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Dibblah:

Forums? Hah.

[19:16:45]

Dibblah:

linux-dvb@linuxtv.org

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Dibblah:

And all of the splinters, of course.

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sebrock:

according to my dmesg the pnp device 00:08 failed to activate, yet with lspci I cant find anything 00:08???

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pestilence:

does anybody here use a dxr3 decoder board? i am wondering if it is possible to have the normal display routed through the tv-out of that card

[19:18:34]

pestilence:

or if it only displays decoded mpeg through the tv-out

[19:18:56]

kormoc:

candyban, myth uses xv, which requires direct hardware access to play videos

[19:19:00]

Dibblah:

pestilence: As far as I know, Myth doesn't use the DXR3.

[19:19:05]

jams:

sebrock- poke around in /sys/bus/pnp/devices/00:08

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sebrock:

tried, no such directory :( jams

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** orkid thanks Dibblah **

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pestilence:

Dibblah: well, all i want it for is the tv-out. i don't really care about the decoding

[19:19:40]

jams:

sebrock- do you have /sys ?

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candyban:

kormoc: I'll try with NO_XV=1

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AL13N:

Dibblah: can pestilence try to use some kind of other player? like xine with the -v dxr3 option ?

[19:19:50]

Dibblah:

pestilence: I don't think it'll work.

[19:19:50]

pestilence:

but i have been unsuccessful thus far in getting the tv-out to display anything other than green

[19:19:55]

Dibblah:

AL13N: No.

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sebrock:

jams, w8 I was in wrong dir

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kormoc:

candyban, you won't get very good performance, just so you know

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pestilence:

Dibblah: could you expand on that?

[19:20:21]

pestilence:

which part won't work, specifically

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Dibblah:

It'd need coded in Myth, like the PVR350 output.

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jams:

sebrock- just from looking around in there you should be able to dertmine what the device is. There is a good chance it's your serial or ppa port

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pestilence:

AL13N: i have tried using mplayer with -vo dxr3 to play a dvd, it doesn't display anything.

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sebrock:

jams, I cant find anything that would give the hint

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kormoc:

candyban, you'll be streaming over raw video that way, which is very large compaired to encoded video. It's much easier to just install the frontend on each of those machines and watch it locally

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candyban:

kormoc: I have 1 backend with 4 tuners (2xPVR-500) ... I am configuring remote frontends

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sebrock:

jams: DRIVER=i8042 kdb

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AL13N:

pestilence: if you can't get the dxr3 to work like this, i guess you can forget about mythtv then...

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kormoc:

candyban, x forwarding isn't involved with remote frontends

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candyban:

kormoc: the PVR outputs in mpeg2 ... so I don't understand why it's not working properly

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candyban:

kormoc: I'm not using X forwarding ...

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AL13N:

pestilence: maybe you need more dxr3 options or something

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Dibblah:

Sedorox: Do you have a keyboard (PS/2) installed?

[19:23:35]

kormoc:

candyban, ooh, my mistake, I misread what you were saying...

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Dibblah:

sebrock: , even.

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sebrock:

Dibblah, sorry?

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kormoc:

candyban, run the frontend with -v all and pipe the output to a file, and see what it says, also check the X log files

[19:24:01]

jams:

sebrock- it's your keyboard ps/2 port

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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candyban:

kormoc: with the NO_XV="1" ... at least I can start watching TV ... but as you already said, performance is lowsy

[19:24:15]

sebrock:

alright, well it works anyway :/

[19:24:20]

sebrock:

so thats not the issue then

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pestilence:

AL13N: well, myth is working fine. its tv out that i'm missing

[19:24:29]

jams:

sebrock- Dibblah is asking if you have anything plugged into it. And it may not matter if ti works

[19:24:33]

candyban:

kormoc: it crashes my X ... nothing in the X log files though ...

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pestilence:

AL13N: so i think i may be shopping for a cheap PCI video card with tv-out

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sebrock:

my keyboard is pluggend into that port jams

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sebrock:

and apparently works just fine

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Dibblah:

Odd.

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jams:

sebrock- so really what are you trying to solve?

[19:25:32]

AL13N:

pestilence: i meant myth through it, but i guess you're fine with the myth output on your PC

[19:25:54]

kormoc:

candyban, you can increase the X logs to be more verbrose

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sebrock:

jams, Im trying to understand why the resume from sleep state is not going so well, if you can take a look here: http://www.pastebin.ca/768611

[19:25:58]

pestilence:

AL13N: oh, yea.

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AL13N:

pestilence: try to read up on what options there are for dxr3 output, maybe you get lucky

[19:26:05]

sebrock:

jams maybe you can interpret stuff better than me

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kormoc:

candyban, -v all will show you what myth did right before the crash, and you can work from there

[19:26:31]

pestilence:

AL13N: i tried a bunch of them, but i either got black screen or green screen. Oh yea, or blinky screen

[19:26:47]

AL13N:

well, at least there's something... ;-)

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pestilence:

but if you can't just pipe the video through the dxr3, then i need to get a video card anyways

[19:27:17]

AL13N:

dxr3 is a bit old, and PCs are so fast these days that people don't use such things anymore

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pestilence:

the dxr3 does just pipe vga through it if you don't load the drivers. so i figured maybe it was possible to get it to pipe video through the tv-out

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AL13N:

hence the old and buggy code for dxr3

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pestilence:

AL13N: yea, i just happened ot have it sitting around

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pestilence:

so i figured i'd give it a shot, save a buck

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candyban:

kormoc: the weird thing is that it crashes X in 3 different versions of ubuntu with 2 different types of hardware ... and the only thing (so far) which works is with NO_XV ... so probably the problem is there somewhere

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AL13N:

pestilence: you can think of it in another way, save some time, buy a card. allthough i'm not one of those mentalities

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sebrock:

jams: resume starts on line 482

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AL13N:

does anyone know how i can set up a script surrounding mythwelcome so i can work it like a display manager?

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jams:

and starts to fail at 590

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pestilence:

AL13N: yea, that's why i'm giving up now, after about an hour of trying :-D

[19:29:35]

pestilence:

i'm not going to spend any more time on it...shopping for cards now

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AL13N:

i tried, but if i start it through SSH session, it gets started on my PC instead... :-/

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AL13N:

pestilence: one hour, you give up pretty easily...

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sebrock:

jams, you sure, what about all the USB stuff? eg line 508 and so on?

[19:30:36]

sebrock:

jams, so line 590 is something with my HDD?

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jams:

sebrock- the usb stuff wouldn't stop it from working unless your using usb drives

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pestilence:

AL13N: any suggestions on cheap PCI cards with tv-out and good drivers?

[19:31:21]

jams:

i think for the suspend stuff it unloads the usb drivers and reloads them upon wakeup

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sebrock:

jams, well I have an LCD plugged into a USB connector (internal)

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sebrock:

ok

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Dibblah:

sebrock: Is that a SATA drive?

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sebrock:

Dibblah, no its a pretty old 2.5" notebook drive (20GB)

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jams:

Dibblah- thinking it might be a libata driver problem?

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Dibblah:

Thinking the PM code is in flux at the moment.

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sebrock:

connected to the ATA port with a adapter thing

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Dibblah:

Try a later kernel.

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Dibblah:

As in an -rc.

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sebrock:

rc?

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sebrock:

ah

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Dibblah:

Okay, maybe not :(

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sebrock:

release candidate

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candyban:

will mythbackend do the decoding first and then send it to the frontend?

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sebrock:

It could not be that the drive itself is to old?

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Dibblah:

candyban: Depends what you mean.

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Dibblah:

It's possible it doesn't wake sensibly from spindown, I guess. Or that your IDE controller gets confused.

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directhex:

Dibblah, he wants to send uncompressed video to a frontend, rather than doing the decoding there

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jams:

sebrock- is /dev/sr0 your cdrom/dvd ?

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Dibblah:

No.

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directhex:

candyban, do you have 10gbit ethernet throughout your house?

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AL13N:

pestilence: sorry, i'm giving up on all except nvidia these days

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kormoc:

candyban, no

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candyban:

Dibblah: I have to start the mythfrontend with NO_XV or otherwise my X will crash ... I have a PVR-500 => mpeg2 stream ... but when I watch it locally, it looks better than over the network

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kormoc:

candyban, there shouldn't be any difference

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sebrock:

Dibblah, ok I'll try a newer kernel, I have now: 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP

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candyban:

kormoc: yet there is ... :(

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AL13N:

can anyone help me with DPMS issue? starting mythtv enables it, even though it's disabled on xorg.conf ...

[19:35:40]

Dibblah:

candyban: Video card?

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sebrock:

jams, yes its an slim line DVD

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kormoc:

candyban, something is really screwed up. Are all the versions exactly the same?

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sebrock:

and its outputting errors all the time after resume

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jams:

sebrock- ok..i bet they are on the same controller as well

[19:36:02]

sebrock:

jams, you are correct

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directhex:

this is a sorta obvious problem

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candyban:

Dibblah: the local frontend = nvidia ... the remove frontend is ati

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AL13N:

AL13N: or at least that it get's reactived with a remote

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candyban:

kormoc: I think so ... sec

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directhex:

candyban, it's nothing to do with the decompression. it's to do with the scaling and other filtering

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Dibblah:

nvidia with the closed-source proprietary drivers?

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directhex:

candyban, Xshm zoom looks like cap. you can't avoid this.

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keith342:

when I try to stream HD to a dedicated myth frontend, 'mythfrontned' users about 48% CPU, and xorg uses 40%.... and it skips

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directhex:

crap

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candyban:

Dibblah: yes

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keith342:

is that xorg cpu use high?

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sebrock:

jams, I think you got something here... so there is something wrong with that part...

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candyban:

Dibblah: and ati with closed drivers

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jams:

sebrock- along with the new kernel, you could also try disconnecting the dvd drive and see if it helps. I don't think it will, but something to try

[19:37:18]

directhex:

candyban, without Xv, it'll look crap. unavoidable truth.

[19:37:48]

candyban:

directhex: how can I enable it without it crashing X?

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sebrock:

jams, should i maybe go buy a new SATA connected HDD?

[19:38:00]

directhex:

candyban, get a better graphics card (driver)

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keith342:

how do I make sure frontend is using XV?

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directhex:

keith342, what kind of HD? MPEG2 or h264?

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keith342:

MPEG2, afaik

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kormoc:

keith342, don't tell it not to and it uses XV by default

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directhex:

keith342, what kind of graphics card, what kind of cpu?

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candyban:

directhex: it crashes X with both nvidia and ati (although with the remote nvidia it was an older version of X/mythtv/kernel/...)

[19:39:23]

jams:

sebrock- if your want, but don't blame me if it doesn't help.

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keith342:

P4 3.06 Ghz, and GeForce4 Ti 4600

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keith342:

it can play recorded HD fine, it looks like. but it won't stream it

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sebrock:

jams, obviously not. Just trying to figure out if there could be somehting with the fact that the drive itself is very old

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candyban:

ATI Technologies Inc M24GL [Mobility FireGL V3200] (rev 80)

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candyban:

Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz

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candyban:

directhex: I can play DVDs without any problems ... so I don't see why the video card would be a problem

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jams:

sebrock- let's phrase it this way. If I had the cash laying around I would try it after changing the kernel and disconnecting the dvd drive.

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keith342:

directhex: using P4 3.06 Ghz, and GeForce4 Ti 4600

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sebrock:

jams, Im gonna try new kernel first

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jams:

good luck

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jams:

last time i messed iwht suspend it was quicker to cold boot

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directhex:

<directhex> candyban, your install is fucked then. what kind of distro are you running?

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directhex:

<directhex> keith342, enabling XvMC might help

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candyban:

directhex: ubuntu ... and the backend is debian

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candyban:

directhex: locally, it works very nice ... performance is good, picture is good ...

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candyban:

directhex: did you mean the frontend install or the backend install?

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directhex:

candyban, whichever machine is crashing when using xv. xv should never cause crashes

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Dibblah:

jams: 8 seconds to resume? I can live with that.

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Dibblah:

(STR)

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candyban:

directhex: Then edgy, feisty and gutsy have fscked up X installs (although all the rest runs just fine)

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Dibblah:

candyban: Have you installed Myth from a package?

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candyban:

Dibblah: yes ...

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jams:

Dibblah- 13 seconds cold boot vs 20 for suspend to disk that didn't always work. But again , it's been awhile

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Dibblah:

Try making sure that "OpenGL sync" is unticked.

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candyban:

Dibblah: hmmz ... I'll look for that setting ... sec

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sebrock:

jams, yes that is a solution but not that sexy if you ask me :D

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Dibblah:

TV Settings / Playback settings, I think.

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Tominator:

hi

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Tominator:

is there a possibility to configure and run a mythtv backend on a server without X?

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keith342:

yes

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keith342:

use remote X

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keith342:

over ssh

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Tominator:

oh... is it easy to do that?

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keith342:

yes

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keith342:

"ssh -X mythbackend" from another linux box

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keith342:

then run mythtv-setup

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Tominator:

all right :) thanks a lot ;)

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keith342:

and be patient

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directhex:

it requires much of X to be INSTALLEd on the server though

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directhex:

xauth as a bare minimum

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directhex:

and all its deps

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directhex:

plus all of Qt's X deps

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Tominator:

okay

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keith342:

yes

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Tominator:

thanks

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keith342:

but not an actual xserver

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Tominator:

so X and qt libs have to be installed to use it

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Tominator:

oh... okay

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keith342:

what distro are you using?

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Tominator:

der server is running on debian etch and my client on ubuntu

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pestilence:

AL13N: so i got a tv-out capable ATI card. how do i enable tv-out :-D

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directhex:

pestilence, pin it & buy an nvidia? that's the easiest method

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directhex:

bin

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keith342:

Tominator: the mythtv-backend package will install everything you need, then

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pestilence:

directhex: thanks for the outstanding advice. i *just* bought this card. as in, 10 minutes ago.

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Tominator:

keith342: xauth as well?

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directhex:

pestilence, then get a refund. buying an ati for linux is dumb

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keith342:

Tominator: if you have ssh installed, it should just work

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keith342:

you *might* need the xutils package

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directhex:

it's like buying a french car for reliability, only far worse

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cantak:

I have a few questions on building a media center PC. Can anyone recommend a channel for that?

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directhex:

just one? how very windowsy

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Tominator:

keith342: sorry... but I still have some problems with ssh to forward X to my client... where do i have to enable X11 forwarding (i think on the server) but it prints out this:

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Tominator:

thomas@zion:~$ ssh -X mythbackend

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Tominator:

ssh: mythbackend: Name or service not known

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keith342:

directhex: thanks! that seems to have worked

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keith342:

just one question

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directhex:

Tominator, enter the name of your machine, not "mythbackend"

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keith342:

my XvMCConfig file contains "libXvMC.so.1"... but http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC says it should contain "libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1" ?

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pestilence:

directhex: if you don't care about 3d, what's wrong with a ATI card?

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Tominator:

directhex: sorry... I'm not so good using the shell: I connected to my server with "ssh -X IP" and then I started mythtv-setup, but it says "mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server" And I think it's plausible, but I have no idea what to do

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directhex:

pestilence, lack of features such as functional XvMC, random bugs that break proper output, and so on?

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keith342:

Tominator: you might have to enable ssh X forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config

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directhex:

Tominator, ensure X forwarding is enabled. open /etc/ssh/sshd_config in a text editor, and set "X11Forwarding yes"

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directhex:

restart sshd with "invoke-rc.d sshd restart"

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Tominator:

directhex: X11Forwarding is enabled

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directhex:

Tominator, ensure the xauth package is installed

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Tominator:

okay

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directhex:

Tominator, you ARE checking these details on the server, not the client, right?

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Tominator:

directhex: yes

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Tominator:

directhex: there is no xauth package fpr my distro... is xauth located in xutils?

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keith342:

directhex: using nvidia's XvMC, audio is choppy now, and processor is still pegged

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keith342:

Tominator: are you able to ssh -X to the server yet?

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keith342:

install "xbase-clients" and then see if you can run 'xclock'

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Tominator:

keith342: it works... but it's just like a normal ssh connection

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directhex:

Tominator, xbase-clients on debian stable

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directhex:

keith342, odd

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Tominator:

okay... thanks, it works :)

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directhex:

Tominator, you need to log out & back in for xauth to take proper effect, but you should be able to run stuff now

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Tominator:

directhex, keith342: thanks guys... everything works ;)

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keith342:

good

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keith342:

crap, still no good..

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keith342:

i think I need more CPUI

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keith342:

CPU, too

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keith342:

will myth frontend take advantage of HT or dual core?

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directhex:

keith342, that cpu ought to be enough for mpeg2 hd

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keith342:

so.... maybe it's not mpeg2?

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directhex:

if it's not mpeg2, no *tender loving* chance of playing it on your cpu

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keith342:

how can I tell?

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tcpsyn:

try

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directhex:

keith342, if you're a yank, it's probably mpeg2. if you live free and occasionally die hard, it's probably h264

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keith342:

i assume it's mpeg2

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keith342:

my cable company isn't too smart

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directhex:

you're capturing this over firewire?

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keith342:

nah, pcHDTV 5500

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dolcraith:

hi, has anyone had any luck getting wmp11 to interface as an upnp client with mythtv?

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directhex:

dolcraith, yes.

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dolcraith:

okay, i'm running vista, i'm on the network and can see the mythtv renderer and have install ffdshow (enable mpeg2) and have installed haali

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dolcraith:

but i can't find any media

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dolcraith:

any suggestions for fixing it? maybe an incorrect config?

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dolcraith:

the mythtv pin is defaulted to 0000

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directhex:

which version of myth on the server?

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directhex:

ah, svn

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dolcraith:

yeah.

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dolcraith:

i mean there shouldn't really be a difference, right? i mean in regards to upnp

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directhex:

i think there are major differences, actually

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dolcraith:

really?

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dolcraith:

do you suggest i hit up #myth? or would be tempting fate

[20:40:07]

GreyFoxx:

That channel is for development talk, not bug reports or suppor qyestions

[20:40:39]

dolcraith:

well does anyone here think they can elaborate on the differences

[20:40:46]

directhex:

the fact that there are pins at all is a pretty big hint that 0.20 upnp is different to svn upnp

[20:41:13]

GreyFoxx:

no, the pin is just for getting remote access to the mysql login info, not needed for accessing the content

[20:41:33]

dolcraith:

yeah, i always thought that was a mythtv specific feature

[20:41:47]

GreyFoxx:

but certainly tyhere are underlying code differences

[20:42:01]

GreyFoxx:

But most of the upnp changes have been syncd to 0.20.2

[20:42:10]

dolcraith:

i'm just trying to find out what other people did so i can get it working

[20:42:47]

directhex:

ffdshow, haali, that was it

[20:42:52]

GreyFoxx:

I've never used vista, can't even guess

[20:43:12]

dolcraith:

well i was trying the same thing under xp with the same problem

[20:43:25]

dolcraith:

he'll brb

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GreyFoxx:

I use nero under xp to access the upnp content

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directhex:

WMP11 works for me, with 0.20.2 backend

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GreyFoxx:

under xp or vista?

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siXy:

it works for me exactly the same under vista as under xp, which is to say not at all :)

[20:45:58]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, vista

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dolcraith:

it sees the upnp to share to but not from

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dolcraith:

directhex, where under wmp11 is the media show up?

[20:47:13]

dolcraith:

showing*

[20:48:21]

dolcraith:

i mean if its a mythtv issue it needs to be fixed, but if its a wmp11 issue someone needs to call microsoft out on it imho

[20:48:42]

GreyFoxx:

dolcraith: Microsoft has several upnp quirks

[20:48:56]

GreyFoxx:

they twist the specs quite a lot

[20:49:02]

directhex:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox/a . . . #picture_nav

[20:49:23]

GreyFoxx:

infact you often have to return info to a MS based software differently than most others

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directhex:

ensure you change which library you're looking in – i.e. switch to music or video, as the "recordings" bit is empty

[20:49:58]

dolcraith:

well the device doesn't even show up. could it be a fw issue?

[20:50:22]

directhex:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox/a . . . #picture_nav ?

[20:52:24]

directhex:

if in doubt, restart mythbackend

[20:52:32]

directhex:

it can occasionally disappear in WMP for unknown reasons

[20:52:49]

pestilence:

would this be totally stupid to get to hook up a HDTV to my PC? http://www.computercasesandcables.com/ccc/CV-25120.html

[20:52:50]

dolcraith:

okay i think i'm getting it fixed under xp

[20:53:03]

pestilence:

my video card has no svideo out, my hdtv has no VGA in :-(

[20:53:33]

directhex:

good luck getting a working modeline going

[20:54:05]

pestilence:

directhex: are you talking to me? seriously, dude, you are a downer. could you tone it down a little?

[20:54:34]

dolcraith:

vga != s-video

[20:55:03]

dolcraith:

you could possibly get the picture up but you really would be lucky

[20:55:09]

directhex:

pestilence, puppies and cake will come out of your computer on command!

[20:55:19]

directhex:

i'm not here to substitute for prozac

[20:55:49]

pestilence:

directhex: but evidently you are here to feel better about yourself by dishing it out

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pestilence:

dolcraith: thanks. that's what i wanted to know

[20:57:09]

directhex:

dolcraith says "you really would be lucky" and thanks for it, i say "good luck" and am attacked for it. hurrah

[20:59:53]

dolcraith:

i know X-P its okay we all like you directhex, well at least i think you're a stand up person

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brockp:

hello, have a problem with dvd import no longer working

[21:01:33]

brockp:

has anyone else seen mtd just stop saying its finished after copying the vob to disk?

[21:01:55]

dolcraith:

i was having the same problem. never got it fixed

[21:02:07]

dolcraith:

(ust letting you know you're not alone)

[21:02:49]

brockp:

it used to work, before i upgraded for SD support......

[21:04:54]

brockp:

sigh, ok handbrake on my mac for eveything now i guess...

[21:05:12]

brockp:

does the internal player support h264 playback?

[21:05:31]

directhex:

yes, but single-threaded

[21:05:42]

directhex:

no parallelism yet, for hd content

[21:05:51]

directhex:

nearly, but not quite

[21:05:54]

brockp:

thats fine, mythbox is standard def, and single cpu

[21:06:33]

brockp:

hey how the machine room come out?

[21:07:57]

dolcraith:

no luck on getting the upnp connections working, seems wmp11 doesn't want to connect *to* mythtv, but is fine with exporting media

[21:09:08]

directhex:

brockp, in progress. all the new clusters were delivered on thursday, though the room isn't actually ready. they'e running acceptance testing on a half height rack with two 8-node clusters and a mini silverstorm IB switch, until wednesday when we should be able to move in properly

[21:09:22]

directhex:

by then i hope to have a chair in the office up there. my feet are killing me

[21:09:51]

brockp:

yeah haha

[21:10:03]

brockp:

we have a new force10 c300 switch blow a line card this week

[21:10:26]

brockp:

their TAC asked to have the card put back in the switch chassis to verify the issues,

[21:10:32]

brockp:

the switch dumped core.........

[21:10:49]

brockp:

we had a bunch of nodes die along with it ofvourse

[21:11:18]

brockp:

so we still have 100 ibm nodes at a storage lot waiting to be installed

[21:12:14]

dolcraith:

bleh ibm

[21:12:45]

brockp:

dolcraith you might not belive it but they were the cheapest teir 1

[21:12:58]

dolcraith:

i wouldn't doubt it

[21:13:06]

dolcraith:

but sometimes you get what you pay for

[21:13:17]

dolcraith:

i just don't like some of their software

[21:13:29]

dolcraith:

wish they kept a hold of their laptop division

[21:13:41]

brockp:

we run rhel4 (soon to be rhel5) so we dont use their software :)

[21:13:54]

brockp:

they are opteron nodes not power,

[21:14:11]

mchou:

sigh....shouldn't have upgraded

[21:14:36]

dolcraith:

upgraded to what?

[21:14:49]

mchou:

rev of myth

[21:15:07]

mchou:

fubar

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GreyFoxx:

latest trunk ?

[21:15:25]

directhex:

brockp, it's nice to finally see some kit arrive though. i hope my infrastructure design can cope under load

[21:15:26]

mchou:

no, just the distros

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** GreyFoxx is waiting for the next sync of trunk to multirec for his next update **

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mchou:

mythtv-backend-0.20.2–14486

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mchou:

whatever this rev means

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mchou:

it's just bad news

[21:17:22]

brockp:

yeah, seeing some real hardware is nice, when we doubled out node count the first year i started, it was quite the encourage ment that we were getting some place and could crank out some real cpu hours

[21:17:28]

GreyFoxx:

0.20.2 svn rev 14486. That's fairly recent I think

[21:17:44]

dolcraith:

yeah the bloodiest edge

[21:17:47]

mchou:

frontend would arbitrarily hang (and bail) while playing recordings

[21:17:58]

dolcraith:

checkthe logs?

[21:18:28]

mchou:

yeah...didn't see anything of interest yet

[21:18:30]

dolcraith:

make sure its not an acpi error (i mean what's the hw and sw you have running)

[21:18:40]

mchou:

huh???

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directhex:

brockp, technically our cpu count has gone *down* since i started, though we've had pretty much zero funding for three years...

[21:19:07]

mchou:

earlier rev ran fine. same HW

[21:19:12]

brockp:

do you faculty get startup money?

[21:19:15]

mchou:

only diff is myth

[21:19:28]

brockp:

thats ware most of our new nodes come from, for specific faculty

[21:19:37]

mchou:

so I doubt it even related to acpi

[21:19:57]

mchou:

who's faculty here?

[21:20:14]

dolcraith:

sorry, apic

[21:20:21]

dolcraith:

i always confuse those

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dolcraith:

i mean check dmesg, etc

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mchou:

directhex: shouldnt that make sense since CPU power has gone up :)

[21:21:07]

directhex:

mchou, so have user expectations

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mchou:

directhex: where is this?

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directhex:

mchou, oxford

[21:23:55]

mchou:

wow, oxford is feeling financial crunch?

[21:23:58]

mchou:

damn

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directhex:

brockp, there was a massively delayed injection of cash from the research councils to assorted institutions for this kind of purchase

[21:24:28]

directhex:

brockp, but delay after delay after delay doesn't help. and oxford doesn't believe in anything except books

[21:24:30]

brockp:

yeah we are running out of space we have 132 nodes to install, 528 cpus, and that switch is dumping core what a great week, and we leave for SC in the morning

[21:24:58]

directhex:

have fun! might have some colleagues from my department there

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brockp:

directhex, wow that blows, yeah we only beleve in wet labs and 'diversity'

[21:26:38]

directhex:

mchou, the uni itself isn't in any trouble, but oxford is a confusing place. less a university, more a collection of warring feudal states

[21:27:02]

mchou:

directhex: dude, same story at any uni

[21:27:05]

brockp:

though i was looking at the recent faculty hires in the last 12 months the engineering school over half had 'computation' in their description. But the University still wont just inject large cash funds to do computation right,

[21:27:26]

mchou:

brockp: wow, that's surprising

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brockp:

so our altix will stay at 32 cpus and 96gb ram

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brockp:

which makes me wonder why i waste time maintaining it

[21:28:12]

mchou:

haha

[21:28:35]

mchou:

lol. even 1 cpu needs maintenence

[21:28:59]

mchou:

with 32 you're actually coming out ahead :)

[21:29:05]

brockp:

is it bad if your cpu is 102 C ?

[21:29:22]

** clever checks his laptop **

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clever:

52C on my laptop atm

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clever:

67C on the acer

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directhex:

mchou, fortunately, an altix takes as much maintenance for about 1k processors as 2

[21:30:07]

mchou:

brockp: you intentionally reducing the # of CPUs? :)

[21:30:28]

brockp:

you and your crew should come visit as at michigan, swap ideas

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directhex:

mchou, oxford is worse than most, as the colleges and uni are separate for many things like money

[21:30:43]

clever:

master backend cpu 58C

[21:30:50]

brockp:

but yeah, similar here

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directhex:

and there are lots of very angry very vocal colleges

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brockp:

mchou, im running handbrake on a macbook pro h264 because dvd import is busted

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directhex:

mchou, our 152-core altix is as easy to admin as any suse desktop. make of that what you will

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

wonder if it's too late to revert to the previous version of myth

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mchou:

DB may be screwed

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brockp:

anyone make a mpi based transcode yet :-D

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directhex:

x264 was quite slow on altix, actually

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directhex:

threaded x264 that is

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mchou:

brockp: I doubt transcoding gets much speed up due to parallelization

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mchou:

no matter how many times you partition you still have to join the partitions, and that's serial

[21:37:46]

mchou:

classic example of the printer hooked up to the MPP machine

[21:38:04]

mchou:

aint gonna print any faster

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directhex:

bah

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directhex:

what did i miss?

[21:39:56]

mchou:

nothing

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directhex:

and transcoding gets a great benefit from parallelism in some but not all codecs, when what's being encoded is split into pixel blocks

[21:40:24]

directhex:

where there's overlap is a bigger issue, of course

[21:40:34]

directhex:

the speedup is never 100%, but it's significant

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Hilikus:

if i use gnome, my font when looking at the list of recorded progams is ok, but if i use fluxbox or xfce the font is very small, how do i fix that

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Hilikus:

in the main menu both look the same

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Hilikus:

am i missing fonts or something??

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directhex:

DPI issue

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directhex:

gnome's forcing one DPI, *box/xfce is usnig the built in one

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directhex:

that's my guess

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mchou:

if that's the case that easy enough to fix

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Hilikus:

how

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mchou:

change the xorg.conf file, just one way

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Hilikus:

but if its DPI wouldnt it happend with the fonts of the main menu??

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directhex:

brockp, administration for idiots! http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox/a . . . #picture_nav

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mchou:

Hilikus: you can easily test this out by restartx using 'startx — -dpi X'

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mchou:

where X is some 'desired' DPI

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Hilikus:

whats a normal value?

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mchou:

if this doesnt help problem lies elsewhere

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directhex:

myth likes 100

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mchou:

xdpyinfo tells all

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mzb_d800:

Hilikus: are you using an LCD on an nvidia card by any chance?

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Hilikus:

no and no

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mzb_d800:

ok

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mzb_d800:

that makes things a lot easier

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mzb_d800:

the best way to set the DPI is with "DisplaySize" in xorg.conf

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mzb_d800:

that means regardless of res the DPI will be correct

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Hilikus:

ill try that but i think its not that, the font in the main menu looks the same in gnome and fluxbox

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Hilikus:

its jusn in the list of recorded programs

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Hilikus:

in the OSD its also the same

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mzb_d800:

there are settings for those in the frontend setup

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mzb_d800:

perhaps you have some sort of default that's overridden in xfce|fluxbox?

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mzb_d800:

I take it this is not a dedicated machine?

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Hilikus:

it is

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mzb_d800:

then get rid of window managers ... you don't need them :)

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mzb_d800:

(short answer)

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mzb_d800:

start mythfrontend from ~/.xinitrc

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mzb_d800:

and build yourself an autologin method

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mzb_d800:

(3 line programme)

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mzb_d800:

that will *absolutely* solve any issues involving window managers :)

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sebrock:

ehm when I compile a kernel, should it not finish at bash?

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sebrock:

dpkg-deb has finished according to 'top'

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sebrock:

yet the terminal which I used to compile the kernel simply has halted in some way

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directhex:

yes, you need window managers

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directhex:

unless you never plan on launching apps to do things (e.g. using mplayer to play content)

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sebrock:

Oh man, and this after 1,5 h of compiling

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directhex:

if you only ever use Internal, then fine

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Hilikus:

true, i rather keep my WM

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mzb_d800:

my main box has no wm

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mzb_d800:

rather, it has fvwm, which is not used

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clever:

when i was building a script to automate tvout on my laptop

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clever:

i made it use metacity(gnome wm)

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clever:

http://www.pastebin.ca/766985

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mzb_d800:

directhex: why would mplayer need a wm?

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clever:

when mplayer exits the program that gets focus may be nothing

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clever:

causing keyboard cmds to go nowhere

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directhex:

mzb_d800, because focus will break without it

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clever:

and you wont have an alt+tab

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... well, I guess I must be using Internal-only ... rarely use the keyboard

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mzb_d800:

(it's used for controlling the cloned output downstairs in the garage)

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mzb_d800:

handy to know though, thanks

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clever:

i split the tv out on my master backend to my bedroom

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clever:

where i ran a usb extension for a usb keyboard control

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clever:

but i can also control the fe thru the telnet protocol

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clever:

from a diff pc in my room

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mzb_d800:

my bedroom is too far away ... had to employ another machine ;)

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Hilikus:

how can i start mythfrontend from an ssh connection? if i just do mythfrontend it complains about the screen

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mzb_d800:

but did things a little bit differently on that one

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mzb_d800:

ssh -X mythbox

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clever:

Hilikus: export DISPLAY=:0.0

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mzb_d800:

mythfrontend --geometry 800x600

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mzb_d800:

(or whatever size floats your boat)

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clever:

now all X progs will act like they are in a xterm

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mzb_d800:

ssh -X mythtv@mythbox

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mzb_d800:

anyway ... time to start on the big "Move the tuner" plan ;)

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AL13N:

pestilence: ?

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Hilikus:

mythwelcome: cannot connect to X server :0.0

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mzb_d800:

just do a normal ssh -X

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Hilikus:

isnt that to forward X?

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Hilikus:

i dont think thats what i want

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mzb_d800:

are

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mzb_d800:

ah

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clever:

what do you want then...

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Hilikus:

i have a windows pc, and from it i connect using ssh to my mythbox, and i want to start mythwelccome THERE, not in my windows box

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clever:

ah

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mzb_d800:

export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0

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mzb_d800:

?

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clever:

:0.0 works

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clever:

but 'mythwelcome: cannot connect to X server :0.0' means its not at that location

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clever:

is X started?

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Hilikus:

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server

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mzb_d800:

don't forget that DISPLAY gets modified by ssh -X

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mzb_d800:

login again for sanity (minux "-X")

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Hilikus:

yes, i can manually start mythwelcome in my mythbox

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Hilikus:

but not remotely

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clever:

echo $DISPLAY

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clever:

in the xterm on the mythbox

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Hilikus:

hilikus@mazinger:~$ echo $DISPLAY

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Hilikus:

:0.0

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Hilikus:

oh ok, there

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Hilikus:

wait

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clever:

then set it in ssh thru 'export DISPLAY=:0.0'

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clever:

AFTER you login to ssh

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clever:

loging in as hilikus

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clever:

it connects to the server in DISPLAY and uses the automaticaly made passwords in ~/.Xauthority (so you need to go in under the same name)

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clever:

(or copy the pw's over)

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mzb_d800:

err s/hilikus/mythtv ?

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Hilikus:

mm now that i changed DISPLAY emacs doesnt work

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Hilikus:

remotely

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clever:

Hilikus: emacs may see that DISPLAY is set and open a gui window

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clever:

on the linux display

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Hilikus:

it didnt

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clever:

unset DISPLAY

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clever:

would undo it

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Hilikus:

emacs: Cannot connect to X server :0.0.

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clever:

thats because your cookies in ~/.Xauthority arent valid

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Hilikus:

ok, ill unset it

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clever:

because your not in the same username as X

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Hilikus:

i just want to be able to start mythfrontend from a script, i have a RC key mapped to a script

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Hilikus:

and the script starts mythfrontend

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Hilikus:

using irexec

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clever:

mythwelcome can use lirc to start mythfrontend

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clever:

for it to be able to connect to X normaly

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clever:

DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY need to be set

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clever:

XAUTHORITY defaults to ~/.Xauthority if not set(which works for me)

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clever:

~ is your home dir(so you need to run myth as the same user you logged into X as)

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clever:

or copy the cookies from 1 .Xauthority to another

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[R]:

i'm trying to stream an HD movie over a wireless to mythvideo and its breaking up... i'm only getting 12.8mbit/s... this is supposed to be g but the network cable between my computer and the router isn't hte best... theoretically i should be going alot faster right?

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clever:

my B wifi topped out near 300kb/sec which was bearly enough for SD tv(thru myth)

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sebrock:

jams, Dibblah, tried a newer kernel and some improvements

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sebrock:

however, when resuming I always have to switch virtual terminal to 1 and then back to 7 in order to get picture

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sebrock:

also network has to be reloaded

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sebrock:

anyway dmesg still shows trouble with the ATA

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clever:

when i was bored i read the hibernation script in ubuntu

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clever:

there are a set of scripts to be ran before and after hibernation

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clever:

would be simple to add a few lines to switch the virtual terminal(chvt) and reload the network

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sebrock:

I tried that on my older kernel and it didnt work to change back to 7 then

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clever:

i think /etc/acpi/resume.d are the scripts ran when resuming

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sebrock:

in which script should I put that clever?

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clever:

you could put your own in there

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sebrock:

that where I put chvt 7 just before "done"

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sebrock:

did not work however

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clever:

id make a /etc/acpi/resume.d/99-fixcrap

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squish102_:

is there a different channel for mythbuntu?

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clever:

which does a chvt 1;sleep 5;chvt 7;fixnetwork....

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clever:

and chmod +x it

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sebrock:

hm that might be it...

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clever:

it runs the scripts in order(the number forces an order)

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clever:

99 would make your fix run last

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sebrock:

when I reload network I ony get eth0 back, not the local loopback (lo)

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squish102_:

can any1 tell me what the file permissions should be in the recordings folder for mythbuntu?

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sebrock:

but I no longer get the DVD I/O error

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sebrock:

so Im def. on me way here

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clever:

squish102_: anything that would let the main username write/read to the folder basicaly

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sebrock:

clever, when reloading your network, did you get "lo" back?

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clever:

i dont actualy use hibernation much

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clever:

some of my systems lockup on resume and others i just dont need it at all

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sebrock:

I just find it interesting to get it to work

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sebrock:

also its a lot sexier for the frontend :D

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clever:

when reading the script i found the main function to actualy make it hibernate

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sebrock:

damn sound must be reloaded alswell

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clever:

its basicaly writing a mode to /sys/power/disk

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Boome1:

Failed to open card, is that usually a lack of drivers? I'm getting my saa7134 card to show as v4l device, but with unknown manufacturer and device name. :|

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clever:

wait no it was /sys/power/state

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sebrock:

oh, well its way faster than s-2-disk

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clever:

writing 'disk' to there would suspend the system to disk

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clever:

when it comes back up your shell script doing that would be right where you would expect it

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clever:

only problem with doing that manualy is 90% of the things you need to repair might be needed to repair them:P

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pigeon:

is there a way to setup mythtv so i have the SDTV and HDTV of the same actual tv channel, and i can pick whether i want to record as SD or HD?

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sebrock:

clever, so you have any idea on how to bring back lo?

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clever:

find a command to manualy fix it then put it in the 99-fixcrap script

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clever:

from a look at my resume.sh it only runs .sh files so it would need to be 99-fixcrap.sh

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sebrock:

well, its that command Im looking foor :d

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clever:

what is actualy wrong with the lo interfce?

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sebrock:

does not show up

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clever:

run 'ip link'

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sebrock:

cant even ping localhost

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clever:

that will lis all interfaces

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clever:

do you see lo?

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sebrock:

yes

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clever:

so the interface still exists

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sebrock:

but its is all set to 00:00:00 etc...

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sebrock:

so its dead

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clever:

1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP> mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue

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clever:

link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00

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sebrock:

yep

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clever:

'dead' on my end also:P

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sebrock:

hm

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clever:

yet it works fine

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sebrock:

ifconfig shows only eth0

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clever:

ifconfig only shows interfaces that are enabled

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clever:

ifup lo

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clever:

might fix it

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sebrock:

it did :d

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clever:

now just add it to a /etc/acpi/resume.d/99-fixcrap.sh script

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clever:

the script in ubuntu 6.06 seems to ifdown some interfaces(and remember in a variable) then up them on resume

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squish102_:

thanks clever

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clever:

looks like it tries to down all interfaces then up then on resume

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sebrock:

clever thats right

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sebrock:

just before shutdown I see it tries to take it down

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sebrock:

right now I cant find which module to load my sound

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clever:

lsmod|grep snd

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clever:

when sound is working

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sebrock:

yeah I know. just cant bare to restart :D

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mzb_d800:

pigeon: look at your programme listing, select the HD one, and "Record only on this channel"

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sebrock:

I thought it used snd_hda_intel

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clever:

modprobe snd_hda_intel

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clever:

-v to see any status/errors

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clever:

(before the mod name)

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sebrock:

module isnt found

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sebrock:

so Im just writing it wrong I guess

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clever:

locate snd|grep hda|grep intel|grep ko

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mzb_d800:

yay ... "burping" problem solved (having the FE overclock was the problem)

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clever:

crude but effective

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mzb_d800:

find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep snd | grep intel

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pigeon:

mzb_d800: right, so basically i have to pick sd/hd when i schedule a recording, yeah?

[22:46:02]

clever:

mzb_d800: that is nearly identical to my cmd

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mzb_d800:

pigeon: you can select (eg) HD to have a higher priority than SD (on a per channel basis)

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clever:

but more acurate i think

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mzb_d800:

pigeon: and then just "record on any channel" will work out the best channel available

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clever:

i had a slight problem a few days ago

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pigeon:

mzb_d800: thank you, i think i understand now.

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mzb_d800:

but if you *specifically* want HD, then select "only on this channel"

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clever:

a show was airing on 2 SD channels at once

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clever:

and myth chose to air the one on channel 2

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clever:

but 2 has a poor signal

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clever:

but it was simple to reduce the prio on channel 2 to make it perfer 6

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sebrock:

anyway, goodnight everybody

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mzb_d800:

gnite

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mzb_d800:

ok, time for stage 3 of the "move tuner" plan

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mzb_d800:

aw ... not very nice mythtv-setup segfaulted when I wanted to add the tuner :(

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mzb_d800:

oh dear!

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mzb_d800:

sanity reboot

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mzb_d800:

nope ... trying -v all

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mzb_d800:

pah! ... got there a couple of times, but in and out of "Add new" and it's bombed again

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mzb_d800:

stuff it ... I'll delete all capture cards and start again

[23:07:43]

mzb_d800:

nope

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mzb_d800:

grrr

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... finally managed to add it ... hit finish and got:

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mzb_d800:

*** glibc detected *** mythtv-setup: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb2b22638 ***

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, thats what happens to bleeding edge :p

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

dm, got past it now :)

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shaggyoaf:

Hi, everybody. I've got an old P3 dual-500Mhz system with 128M of memory

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shaggyoaf:

can anybody recommend a MythTV distro?

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shaggyoaf:

I'm not having lots of luck with feisty and the myth packages

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mzb_d800:

debian lenny ;)

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shaggyoaf:

mzb_d800, is that going to be very different from ubuntu feisty?

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mzb_d800:

but you might want to consider another 128MB RAM

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mzb_d800:

yes

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shaggyoaf:

yeah, I know

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mzb_d800:

less crap

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shaggyoaf:

but at the moment, my remote doesn't really work

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shaggyoaf:

and I'm loath to spend more money on this thing until I can prove that the remote will work

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mzb_d800:

my p3–650 works alright with it

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** shaggyoaf nods **

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shaggyoaf:

I'll try it, thanks

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mzb_d800:

but you really want either: 1. a framegrabber on another (fast) machine, or 2. a card that does mpeg2

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shaggyoaf:

I've got a WinPVR-150

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shaggyoaf:

(hauppage)

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shaggyoaf:

so that bit shouldn't be a problem

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mzb_d800:

that's a framegrabber, right?

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shaggyoaf:

yeah

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shaggyoaf:

and an mpeg2 encoder

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mzb_d800:

ah, k

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mzb_d800:

get yourself a fairly recent lenny netinst

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mzb_d800:

(handy if you've got an apt-cacher setup;)

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** shaggyoaf nods **

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mzb_d800:

and only install absolute minimum

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shaggyoaf:

mzb_d800, so I should just get standard lenny and then put myth packages on it?

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mzb_d800:

if you're not building from source, you'll need to add marillat's repo

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shaggyoaf:

eeew

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mzb_d800:

(debian-multimedia.org?)

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shaggyoaf:

I don't mind building from source

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mzb_d800:

it doesn't hurt to add marillat ... makes the following easier:

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mzb_d800:

# apt-get install build-dep mythtv

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mzb_d800:

;)

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shaggyoaf:

heh, yeah

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shaggyoaf:

I'll bet

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shaggyoaf:

but iirc, marillat comes in at <1kbps

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shaggyoaf:

could take days

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mzb_d800:

regardless, doing a build-dep (most likely) won't be downloading from marillat

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mzb_d800:

you only need the package list (and the details for myth* packages)

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mzb_d800:

tuner test ... cross fingers

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shaggyoaf:

so I recall at one point being able to either cat a device or tail -f a file and see all the key-presses from my remote

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shaggyoaf:

does anybody know what I might be talking about

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shaggyoaf:

I can cat /dev/lirc0 and see the garbage on the screen if lircd isn't running

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mzb_d800:

irw ?

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shaggyoaf:

but I remember seeing things like "num-1" and "chan_up" somewhere

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shaggyoaf:

irw sounds familiar, thanks

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shaggyoaf:

alright!

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shaggyoaf:

that was the one!

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shaggyoaf:

so according to irw, all my buttons are mapped correctly

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shaggyoaf:

but my myth front-end doesn't seem to respond to them correctly

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jeffery:

how do I map the "[" and "]" keys to my volume ?

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shaggyoaf:

It listens to my my left-right-up-down keys but not my chan-up chan-down keys

[23:29:21]

shaggyoaf:

can somebody point me to something that'll help me understand how to map lirc/irw events to Myth functions?

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mzb_d800:

jeffery: google mythtv keybindings (mythweb is an easy way)

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mzb_d800:

shaggyoaf: check ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc (I just have both of those linked)

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shaggyoaf:

ahhh, ok

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shaggyoaf:

mzb, know where I can find a reasonable starter for those files?

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mzb_d800:

lirc.org ?

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mzb_d800:

or the mythtv wiki

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jeffery:

mzb, the volume bar seems to move bu the volume is not affected

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black_Nightmare_:

I know this probably is OT heh but anyone know if 12V is usually only for drives or the motherboard uses 12V as well? (as in from the psu)

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mzb_d800:

hmm .. p3–650 might have to go back to overclock ... not quite fast enough when acting as a backend at the same time

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black_Nightmare_:

<is just trying to figure out power supply part of system now heh

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mzb_d800:

what are you trying to achieve?

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mzb_d800:

brb

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black_Nightmare_:

about the theriocal maximum (and a bit more to be safe) 12V rail I'll need compared to the several itx dc-dc power supply options

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black_Nightmare_:

now thats the funny thing, almost the entire time you're left to your own when it comes to figuring out ampres by each seperate voltage rails .. you know (like I mean say you have two 400W psu but one actually has 8A on one rail compared to other having 12A on same rail .. *sigh* go figure!)

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black_Nightmare_:

having a quiet power supply could be interesting if I decide that one of the itx offering are compactible and I feel like ordering one but otherwise I guess I could always just take other alternative and mod my existing psu

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mzb_d800:

mod for higher power output? ... heh ... good luck :)

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mzb_d800:

are you looking for higher voltage or current?

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mzb_d800:

Dad modified an old PC supply for me a few years ago for use as a bench supply ... 13.8V ... but not something to be approached by a novice!

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black_Nightmare_:

no...just more toward silence :P

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black_Nightmare_:

err..mind my spelling me think

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... @650 I get 98% (on a good day;) for tv playback, @804 I get 58% .... *sigh*

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black_Nightmare_:

the itx offers are 60/80/120/145/200W ones and well mine old psu has always been running well considering its not even loaded much at all (its a 250W anyhow)

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mzb_d800:

let's see if I get the "burps" again :|

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black_Nightmare_:

one thing about itx dc-dc over the existing atx psu is...its WAY much smaller :))

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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mzb_d800:

and designed for boards that use less power

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black_Nightmare_:

not quite entirely true

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