| Thursday, November 8th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:56] | iamlindoro: | mythfilldatabase says it *WILL* fill the database the next time the backend starts |
| [00:01:13] | iamlindoro: | or rather, something like "if backend is not running, will reschedule when it is" |
| [00:01:19] | roob: | yes. |
| [00:01:37] | iamlindoro: | I tlaways says that, regardless, and will run without the backend running |
| [00:01:48] | roob: | hmm ok. |
| [00:02:07] | iamlindoro: | So your problem is that backend isn't starting, and backend isn't starting because it can't access the database, and that's probably because it has the wrong password set |
| [00:02:16] | roob: | before mythtv-setup wouldnt even start...complaining of not being able to conect to tehe database......i then got it to work |
| [00:02:55] | roob: | hmm |
| [00:03:00] | iamlindoro: | you probably don't have the mythtv sql user set up... what happens if you set your mysql.txt as the root user name and password? |
| [00:03:32] | iamlindoro: | ie, I presume you know your mysql root password |
| [00:03:32] | roob: | i havent tried that...but i did import the provided database. |
| [00:03:36] | iamlindoro: | doesn |
| [00:03:43] | iamlindoro: | doesn't matter, doesn't hold the user info |
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| [00:03:46] | roob: | iamlindoro yes i do know the mysql root pass |
| [00:03:55] | iamlindoro: | ok, so sudo su |
| [00:04:08] | roob: | ok |
| [00:04:09] | iamlindoro: | then try to start the mythtv-setup, it will fail, that's ok |
| [00:04:24] | iamlindoro: | nano ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [00:04:27] | roob: | ok it failed |
| [00:04:37] | iamlindoro: | replace the username and pass with the correct ones |
| [00:04:52] | iamlindoro: | ie root and rootpassword or whatever |
| [00:05:00] | iamlindoro: | then try mythtv-setup again |
| [00:05:08] | roob: | hmm as root do nano ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt ? |
| [00:05:13] | iamlindoro: | yes |
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| [00:05:20] | iamlindoro: | we're editing his to have a fresh one |
| [00:05:29] | iamlindoro: | won't be the one we ultimately use |
| [00:05:30] | roob: | there isnt that file |
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| [00:05:41] | iamlindoro: | ok, let's just be simple, then |
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| [00:05:45] | roob: | it didnt create ~/.mythtv for root |
| [00:05:50] | iamlindoro: | mysql -u root -p mythconverg |
| [00:05:57] | iamlindoro: | you don't create .mythtv, myth does |
| [00:06:02] | roob: | as root still? |
| [00:06:04] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [00:06:06] | iamlindoro: | doesn't matter |
| [00:06:10] | roob: | iamlindoro yea...but it didnt create it |
| [00:06:20] | iamlindoro: | ok, run the mysql line |
| [00:06:36] | roob: | ok im in |
| [00:06:37] | iamlindoro: | and give your mysql root password. You should end up at a mysql prompt if all is well |
| [00:06:59] | roob: | yea im at the mysql prompt |
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| [00:08:12] | iamlindoro: | hmmm, ok, seems like all is well there, you can quit |
| [00:08:41] | iamlindoro: | any chance you left the my.cnf set so that it only listens on 127.0.0.1? |
| [00:09:12] | iamlindoro: | ie, switch back to your myth user, edit your mysql.txt, and replace "localhost" with "127.0.0.1" and try again |
| [00:09:13] | roob: | umm i didnt manualy edit it |
| [00:09:24] | roob: | ok |
| [00:09:29] | iamlindoro: | It defaults to only listen on 127.0.0.1 and not localhost, I believe |
| [00:09:46] | roob: | hmm |
| [00:09:55] | roob: | so if its 127.0.0.1 change it to localhost? |
| [00:10:01] | roob: | or vise bersa? |
| [00:10:05] | roob: | *versa |
| [00:10:05] | iamlindoro: | no, if it says localhost, change to 127.0.0.1 |
| [00:10:09] | roob: | ok |
| [00:10:32] | iamlindoro: | then try mythbackend -d or something like that |
| [00:10:51] | dr_lulz: | oO – shouldnt localhost resolve to 127.0.0.1 on any normally configured system? |
| [00:11:05] | roob: | yes |
| [00:11:10] | roob: | i think so |
| [00:11:15] | iamlindoro: | yes, LOCALHOST should, but if mysql is set to only listen on 127.0.0.1, it will listen by IP, not by hostname |
| [00:11:32] | iamlindoro: | it will *only* respond to the IP address, not the hostname |
| [00:11:33] | dr_lulz: | listening by hostname sounds strange |
| [00:11:56] | dr_lulz: | you can bind() to ip addresses, not to hostnames |
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| [00:12:36] | iamlindoro: | Meh, I've got my wires crossed, localhost should work fine |
| [00:12:41] | roob: | hmm ok.....in mythtv i changed the password to the same as the one i logged into mysql from cli a moment ago. i now get this : |
| [00:12:58] | iamlindoro: | same password and username (root), right? |
| [00:12:59] | roob: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [00:13:11] | iamlindoro: | so you didn't change the username |
| [00:13:14] | iamlindoro: | change that to root |
| [00:13:17] | roob: | oh ok |
| [00:13:22] | iamlindoro: | and try again |
| [00:13:26] | roob: | is that a smart idea security wise? |
| [00:13:29] | iamlindoro: | I still think you have no mysql mythtv user |
| [00:13:36] | kdubya: | security is for losers |
| [00:13:46] | roob: | lawl |
| [00:13:48] | iamlindoro: | doesn't matter, the most secure thing in the world is the mysql user who doesn't exist |
| [00:13:58] | dr_lulz: | oO |
| [00:14:18] | roob: | ok i made the user root....it worked |
| [00:14:37] | roob: | ...but i still cant connect to the backend |
| [00:14:37] | iamlindoro: | so there's your problem. You need to create the mythtv mysql user and it will work fine |
| [00:15:25] | roob: | well the access denied error is fixed when starting mythfrontend. |
| [00:15:43] | roob: | but when i goto watch tv..it says it cant connect to the backend |
| [00:15:56] | iamlindoro: | do you have capture cards set up? |
| [00:16:01] | roob: | yea |
| [00:16:02] | mzb_d800: | assuming that's the name+password set in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt && /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt (apparently there are others;) |
| [00:16:08] | roob: | i set that up...the video source |
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| [00:18:35] | roob: | hmm the stuff in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt doesnt match my users ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [00:19:08] | mzb_d800: | the basics of those (iirc): the backend will *usually* use /etc/mythtv/* and the frontend will use /home/mythtv/.mythtv/* |
| [00:19:30] | mzb_d800: | (but as I say, I've been told that both look in various places) |
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| [00:20:09] | mzb_d800: | and they both need to match a valid use in the mysql db of course! |
| [00:20:18] | mzb_d800: | s/use/user |
| [00:20:28] | roob: | hmm |
| [00:20:35] | roob: | welp. i changed them to both match |
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| [00:20:39] | roob: | and no dice :-/ |
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| [00:21:28] | mzb_d800: | install phpmyadmin on your sqlserver |
| [00:21:49] | mzb_d800: | and double check that the user exists && has the "correct" password |
| [00:22:08] | iamlindoro: | user doesn't exist, as far as I can tell |
| [00:22:14] | iamlindoro: | roob, how did you install mythtv? |
| [00:22:27] | roob: | via apt-get |
| [00:22:53] | mzb_d800: | mysql running? :) |
| [00:22:54] | roob: | mzb_d800: hmm that requires to have a running webserver?......i dont like running servers on a home desktop |
| [00:22:57] | roob: | mzb_d800: yea |
| [00:22:58] | iamlindoro: | yes, it's running |
| [00:23:07] | iamlindoro: | He logged in as root and the db is there |
| [00:23:14] | iamlindoro: | he just can't get in as mythtv |
| [00:23:16] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [00:23:26] | mzb_d800: | and you have an sql server running on it! |
| [00:23:42] | roob: | which is pretty much mandatory for mythtv |
| [00:23:44] | iamlindoro: | roob, apt randomizes the mythtv password |
| [00:23:47] | mzb_d800: | so where's the backend? on the home desktop as well ... gee there's another server |
| [00:23:49] | roob: | ....a webserver isnt ;-) |
| [00:23:55] | iamlindoro: | do a dpk-reconfigure mythtv-common |
| [00:24:00] | iamlindoro: | er dpkg-reconfigure |
| [00:24:08] | iamlindoro: | it will allow you to set the mythtv sql password |
| [00:24:09] | mzb_d800: | isn't what? |
| [00:24:11] | roob: | iamlindoro yea....i did that |
| [00:24:23] | iamlindoro: | did you sudo it? Do so again |
| [00:24:26] | roob: | mzb_d800: mandatory for mythtv |
| [00:24:49] | mzb_d800: | nor did I say so |
| [00:25:19] | mzb_d800: | hang on ... aren't you getting confused between root and the "root user" (in mysql terms) ?? |
| [00:25:43] | iamlindoro: | no, he knows what's going on, he logged in as the mysql root user and it worked fine |
| [00:25:49] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [00:26:13] | iamlindoro: | mythconverg exists, and swapping username and passwords to root in mysql.txt cause backend to work fine |
| [00:26:42] | roob: | well frontend. |
| [00:26:46] | iamlindoro: | so it appears he is missing the mysql mythtv user, or the password is (as is normal in ubuntu) randomizes and he doesn't know it |
| [00:26:47] | roob: | i cant connect to the backend |
| [00:27:01] | iamlindoro: | roob, you can't connect to a backend that isn't running. |
| [00:27:14] | iamlindoro: | mythbackend -d with correct mysql.txt settings should work fine |
| [00:27:19] | roob: | ok i did the dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-commom |
| [00:27:29] | mzb_d800: | /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [00:27:39] | iamlindoro: | sudo ;) |
| [00:27:42] | roob: | changed the password from before...am going to go change it in mythtv |
| [00:27:52] | mzb_d800: | ubuntu users ;P |
| [00:28:02] | roob: | hey i do sudo su - |
| [00:28:07] | iamlindoro: | hahah, naw, I'm with you, jsut figured he might need to know that :) |
| [00:28:22] | roob: | i like a traditional root account myswlf |
| [00:28:43] | mzb_d800: | my point with phpmyadmin is that it can be used to diagnose these sorts of things easily, and helps to weed out problems that might arise in the future. The other reason for a webserver on the same machine as the backend is for mythweb |
| [00:28:46] | iamlindoro: | anyway, start your backend and lets see what your mythbackend.log says |
| [00:29:14] | iamlindoro: | although I have no idea what that script runs mythbackend as, so may need to do some more mysql.txt tweaking |
| [00:29:45] | mzb_d800: | it starts as root and does chuid to mythtv user |
| [00:30:22] | mzb_d800: | ie. the script is run as root ... have a look in /etc/init.d/ |
| [00:30:27] | roob: | http://pastebin.ca/765415 |
| [00:30:30] | iamlindoro: | anyway, on that note, I gotta go home, you're just about got it fixed, anyway |
| [00:31:06] | mzb_d800: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [00:31:06] | roob: | ok thanks for your help :-) |
| [00:31:09] | iamlindoro: | sounds like maybe mysql doesn't have grant access on mythconverd |
| [00:31:12] | iamlindoro: | er mythconverg |
| [00:31:23] | roob: | i dont know myself... |
| [00:31:56] | iamlindoro: | switch everything to root and get shit set up, you'll be fine unless your box is open to the world.... anyway, you should do as mzb says, phpmyadmin would make this so easy |
| [00:32:02] | iamlindoro: | later on, all |
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| [00:32:59] | roob: | well id really prefer not to run a webserver on my desktop box. i have a dediated server for web stuff. |
| [00:33:32] | mzb_d800: | I can't think of many machines in my house that don't have a webserver for some reason or other |
| [00:33:43] | roob: | hehe |
| [00:33:58] | roob: | i have one webserver running on freebsd6.2 ...and thats it for my home |
| [00:34:04] | mzb_d800: | get the "webserver" thing out of your head ;) ... it's a small tool to assist in management |
| [00:34:28] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . _itemId=2520 |
| [00:34:48] | mzb_d800: | (that's old ... changed methodology now) |
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| [00:36:07] | roob: | hehe |
| [00:36:11] | mzb_d800: | what makes a webserver "big" is the crap you put in it ;) |
| [00:36:45] | mzb_d800: | (and the purpose you use it for) |
| [00:37:31] | roob: | bah for the sake of it ill install phpmyadmin |
| [00:37:32] | roob: | but |
| [00:37:34] | mzb_d800: | btw: mythweb is pretty neat ... not just for scheduling programmes, etc .. but also for editing |
| [00:37:35] | roob: | i hate doing it! |
| [00:37:42] | mzb_d800: | :) noted ;P |
| [00:38:34] | roob: | ok once installed how do i use phpmyadmin?. http://localhost/ ? |
| [00:38:38] | mzb_d800: | (you can always uninstall later if you hate it that much ... just makes things so much easier to "see", without having an intimate knowledge of mysql syntax) |
| [00:39:05] | mzb_d800: | something like http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ |
| [00:39:45] | roob: | hmm this machine uses sudo...i tried to log in as my user..and got denied |
| [00:41:04] | mzb_d800: | $ sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| [00:41:09] | roob: | i didnt |
| [00:41:12] | roob: | its installed |
| [00:41:15] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [00:41:29] | roob: | i goto http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ and it asks me to log in |
| [00:41:44] | roob: | i tried my user/pass to log into this computer.....no go |
| [00:41:57] | roob: | this system uses sudo...so i dont know roots password |
| [00:42:09] | xand: | phpmyadmin uses the mysql username/password |
| [00:42:11] | xand: | not a system account |
| [00:42:14] | roob: | ahhh |
| [00:42:15] | roob: | ok |
| [00:42:23] | mzb_d800: | this is what I was referring to before |
| [00:42:42] | mzb_d800: | the root (account) is not the same as the mysql "root user" |
| [00:42:52] | mzb_d800: | (which may or may not be called "root") |
| [00:43:10] | mzb_d800: | s/(account)/(system account) |
| [00:43:25] | roob: | i got that much...but i didnt know the privalages needed to run it...im not familier with mysql at ALL |
| [00:43:47] | roob: | ive been running linux for a few years now...i just dont know anything about mysql |
| [00:43:53] | mzb_d800: | ok, sure |
| [00:44:07] | mzb_d800: | go to mythconverg database |
| [00:44:14] | roob: | ok in there |
| [00:44:19] | mzb_d800: | and select privileges |
| [00:44:38] | roob: | there are a few entrys(some the same user) |
| [00:44:50] | roob: | 2 mythtv users adnd 3 root |
| [00:44:57] | mzb_d800: | ensure your mythtv user has "All privileges" and "Grant=YES" |
| [00:45:15] | mzb_d800: | the user names need to match the host they're on |
| [00:45:30] | roob: | ok grant is no on the myth |
| [00:45:43] | mzb_d800: | eg. either localhost, or your hostname (depends how you've got it setup) |
| [00:45:48] | mzb_d800: | set GRANT=yes |
| [00:45:58] | roob: | mythtv localhost database-specific ALL PRIVILEGES No Edit Privileges |
| [00:47:56] | roob: | hmm i hmm does this look normal http://pastebin.ca/765429 ? |
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| [00:48:18] | mzb_d800: | mythtv loungetv.lan database-specific ALL PRIVILEGES Yes |
| [00:48:33] | mzb_d800: | (is one of mine for eg) |
| [00:48:38] | roob: | i tried to change it but now the debian account looks different(there wasnt that many options =when i 1st looked in the database) |
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| [00:49:26] | mzb_d800: | depends which page you're on |
| [00:49:57] | roob: | i went to the database then over to privileges |
| [00:49:59] | mzb_d800: | I'm trying to get you to change the privileges for the mythtv user for ONLY the mythconverg table ... not their global privileges |
| [00:50:24] | roob: | bah. im sorry i clicked the wrong thing |
| [00:50:46] | roob: | ok set mythtv localhost database-specific ALL PRIVILEGES Yes |
| [00:51:00] | mzb_d800: | when you've made the changes, you then need to reload the privileges by going to "Server: localhost" and selecting: "Reload privileges" |
| [00:51:34] | roob: | The privileges were reloaded successfully. |
| [00:51:35] | mzb_d800: | (equates to the "FLUSH PRIVILEGES" command you might have read about) |
| [00:51:36] | roob: | ok done |
| [00:51:54] | mzb_d800: | right, now make sure your backend is started |
| [00:52:01] | mzb_d800: | and then try starting the frontend |
| [00:52:10] | roob: | ok started . |
| [00:52:18] | roob: | ill check frontend brb |
| [00:52:21] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [00:52:38] | mzb_d800: | err ... frontend is separate machine? heh |
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| [00:52:59] | mzb_d800: | make sure you have grant for BOTH mythtv users on each host |
| [00:53:34] | mzb_d800: | (ie. just because they're the same mysql user name does not mean that they both have the same privileges when talking to the sqlserver) |
| [00:53:43] | roob: | still database error :-/ |
| [00:53:48] | mzb_d800: | ^^ |
| [00:54:16] | roob: | theres one mythtv user(me) on one host |
| [00:54:46] | mzb_d800: | so where is the frontend? |
| [00:54:57] | roob: | on this machine |
| [00:55:05] | roob: | along with the backend |
| [00:55:23] | mzb_d800: | and your frontend and backend are using the same mysql username + pass? (can't be) |
| [00:55:56] | roob: | bah i dont know. now im all consufed. |
| [00:56:00] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [00:56:12] | roob: | ive always had one tv card one computer. running both front/backend |
| [00:56:30] | mzb_d800: | now I've been told that what I'm about to say is not exactly correct, but it should be close enough for this purpose |
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| [00:56:45] | roob: | ive just recently switched distros to kubuntu and its (i guess) different to set up |
| [00:56:59] | mzb_d800: | the backend gets it's mysql info from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [00:57:18] | mzb_d800: | check the backend logs to ensure it logs into the server ok |
| [00:57:35] | mzb_d800: | (and double check "ps ax | grep mythtv" to make sure it's running) |
| [00:58:16] | mzb_d800: | then, start the frontend in an X session with "mythfrontend -v database" |
| [00:58:23] | roob: | ok in the mythbackend.log it says it cant connect to the database. but i do see myth running |
| [00:58:25] | mzb_d800: | (as the mythtv user of course!) |
| [00:58:39] | mzb_d800: | right, well forget the frontend for now |
| [00:58:58] | mzb_d800: | if it can't connect, it's not running! (properly) |
| [00:59:08] | mzb_d800: | instead of starting with "-d" |
| [00:59:15] | mzb_d800: | start the backend from a console |
| [00:59:20] | roob: | ps ax | grep mythtv |
| [00:59:20] | roob: | 27959 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep mythtv |
| [00:59:30] | mzb_d800: | not running! |
| [00:59:32] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [00:59:40] | roob: | crap |
| [00:59:47] | roob: | ......sorry. its been a long day |
| [00:59:52] | mzb_d800: | start backend from console without "-d" |
| [01:00:03] | mzb_d800: | know the feeling ... I get one of those every day |
| [01:00:16] | roob: | got like 4 hours of sleep lastnight too..... |
| [01:00:26] | mzb_d800: | you sleep? ;) |
| [01:00:33] | roob: | on occasion ;-) |
| [01:00:44] | mzb_d800: | lucky man |
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| [01:01:04] | roob: | http://pastebin.ca/765441 |
| [01:01:31] | roob: | should the backend try to login as root? |
| [01:01:59] | mzb_d800: | no, the backend needs to login to the mysql server as the "mythtv" user |
| [01:02:06] | mzb_d800: | (as does the frontend) |
| [01:02:12] | roob: | ok...its trying to.. |
| [01:02:15] | mzb_d800: | same user + pass for each |
| [01:02:45] | mzb_d800: | either edit /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to change the details, OR just run mythtv-setup |
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| [01:03:11] | mzb_d800: | and *MAKE SURE* you use the correct user! (mythtv) |
| [01:03:22] | roob: | ok let me try mythtv-setup |
| [01:03:23] | roob: | brb |
| [01:03:41] | Aval0n: | guys, I am trying to figure out what happened. I have myth scheduled to record house in HD from 8–9pm it was about half recorded and and I went in to start watching the recording. about 5 minutes into it, I paused it and went out of it to schedule another recording for the following day. When I went back in, house started at the bookmark, but it stopped long before the show was over. |
| [01:03:53] | Aval0n: | any ideas? |
| [01:04:17] | mzb_d800: | commflag? bad EIT|scheduling data? |
| [01:04:32] | roob: | hmm in mythtv-setup there is no options to change the database user/pass |
| [01:04:58] | mzb_d800: | I'm tempted to say "rubbish" !! |
| [01:05:30] | mzb_d800: | but then I've probably not had enough caffeine to prove it ;) |
| [01:06:24] | roob: | i didnt see one....i just went into mythfrontend and see a page to configure the databse |
| [01:06:42] | mzb_d800: | NO |
| [01:06:51] | mzb_d800: | we're trying to get the backend working, right? |
| [01:07:04] | mzb_d800: | don't get distracted! :) (whip, crack) |
| [01:07:31] | roob: | hehe |
| [01:07:33] | roob: | yea. |
| [01:07:45] | roob: | there isnt any option in my mythtv-setup |
| [01:07:49] | mzb_d800: | ok, ensure that /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt contain the SAME (correct) details |
| [01:07:52] | Aval0n: | anyone here use netflix from within mythtv? |
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| [01:09:22] | roob: | ok...now...should there actualy be a mythtv home dir?.....ive been running this as my normal user(roob) |
| [01:09:27] | roob: | ..please dont kill me |
| [01:09:28] | roob: | lol |
| [01:09:50] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* |
| [01:09:55] | mzb_d800: | well, in theory it should |
| [01:10:10] | mzb_d800: | but if this is a desktop, I guess it won't make a difference |
| [01:10:16] | roob: | in all my previous mythtv setups i never used a mythtv user. |
| [01:10:19] | mzb_d800: | check in ~/.mythtv |
| [01:10:30] | roob: | yea ..it all exists i nthere |
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| [01:10:42] | roob: | just didnt know if it NEEDED to be /home/mythtv |
| [01:10:45] | mzb_d800: | mysql.txt!!!! |
| [01:10:50] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [01:11:23] | roob: | ok the one in my home dir is different...and also contains a few extra lines. |
| [01:11:30] | mzb_d800: | except there probably needs to be a mythtv user (equivalent) set so that the backend does a chuid correctly |
| [01:11:35] | mzb_d800: | correct it |
| [01:11:37] | roob: | one being DBType=QMYSQL3 |
| [01:11:45] | mzb_d800: | ignore |
| [01:11:48] | roob: | ok |
| [01:11:57] | mzb_d800: | just change the username + password to be correct |
| [01:12:11] | roob: | should the one in the home dir match the other?. or ..? |
| [01:12:30] | roob: | and in advnace...thanks for the help...i know ive asked a gazillion questions :-) |
| [01:12:32] | mzb_d800: | YES (in theory) ... just forget the "extra" lines ... |
| [01:12:43] | mzb_d800: | change the username + password to be the same |
| [01:12:54] | roob: | ok |
| [01:12:59] | mzb_d800: | what is the mysql "mythtv" user you've chosen? |
| [01:13:07] | mzb_d800: | (ie. username) |
| [01:13:30] | roob: | well should be mythtv now...as i set that in phpmyadmin(that is what you had me do correct?) |
| [01:13:39] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [01:14:03] | mzb_d800: | $ mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -e "SELECT * from channel;" |
| [01:14:17] | mzb_d800: | (assuming password is same as username) |
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| [01:15:02] | roob: | should i try to run that? |
| [01:15:18] | roob: | i just made the one in the home dir match the one in /etc |
| [01:15:31] | mzb_d800: | try it for sanity |
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| [01:16:55] | roob: | ok |
| [01:17:00] | roob: | seems like it may be working now. |
| [01:17:05] | roob: | let me open mythfrontend |
| [01:18:28] | mzb_d800: | double check your backend logs to confirm that it's talking to the mysql server correctly |
| [01:18:51] | mzb_d800: | (pointless if the FE works;) |
| [01:19:20] | mzb_d800: | btw: to stop yourself going mad, you can start the frontend with (eg): |
| [01:19:34] | mzb_d800: | $ mythfrontend --geometry 800x600 |
| [01:19:52] | mzb_d800: | (assuming you had a display bigger than 800x600;) |
| [01:20:02] | roob: | ahh ok...its working now i think |
| [01:20:08] | mzb_d800: | which will allow you to chat here AND use mythfrontend ;) |
| [01:20:14] | mzb_d800: | (might save some time) |
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| [01:20:29] | roob: | yup its now working :-) |
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| [01:20:31] | mzb_d800: | no database errors? |
| [01:20:34] | roob: | nope |
| [01:20:42] | mzb_d800: | cool |
| [01:21:00] | mzb_d800: | I guess I can make a coffee and write you an invoice now then? :)) |
| [01:21:03] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [01:21:06] | roob: | yea huge thanks man :-) |
| [01:21:10] | mzb_d800: | np |
| [01:21:14] | mzb_d800: | have fun with it |
| [01:21:20] | roob: | bill it to billgates@microsoft.com |
| [01:21:24] | roob: | ;-) |
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| [01:22:09] | roob: | ok now time for me to go finish configuring it. again thanks. :-) |
| [01:22:17] | mzb_d800: | ok, thanks bill, 1000% overcharge added for having a name that starts with b ;) |
| [01:22:19] | mzb_d800: | hopefully you've got a better idea how the thing works now ... and another tool to help you when something else goes wrong |
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| [01:26:47] | roob: | yea..ive used mythtv for a while...but just had NO clue about all that database stuff....all the other times ive set it up...it went very smoothly....but new distro...new things to learn :-) |
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| [01:33:11] | djbeenie: | anyone know where I can find a direct tv remote config? |
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| [01:49:44] | cornell: | I've mythbuntu up and running, working fine. Last evening, it hung while recording. I rebooted. Now, no sound is present when I watch tv or make recordings, although I get sound when I play something recorded earlier. Any ideas? |
| [01:53:24] | cornell: | mmm. |
| [01:53:49] | cornell: | Rebooted again... now I've sound again... That confuses me :-( |
| [01:58:25] | iamlindoro_: | bsdfoxx__, you in? |
| [02:02:59] | iamlindoro_: | er bsdfox__, that is |
| [02:03:57] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, HEY!! I GOT IT WORKING!!! |
| [02:04:06] | iamlindoro_: | oh?? Nice! What'd you do? |
| [02:04:18] | iamlindoro_: | btw, I may have a DTV remote config |
| [02:04:26] | djbeenie: | the dang lircrc was currpt |
| [02:04:32] | iamlindoro_: | I had to record one myself a while back |
| [02:05:04] | iamlindoro_: | Yup, looks like it's still in my lircd.conf |
| [02:05:13] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, i used kedit to open it up..and removed all the extra spaces...saved it..working like a charm |
| [02:05:25] | iamlindoro_: | beautiful! Had to be something simple |
| [02:06:01] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, ok can you help me setup the script? I have my direct tv codes in my lirc.conf.. irw testing perfect |
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| [02:06:19] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, sure, it's easy, hang on |
| [02:06:23] | cornell: | TTFN |
| [02:06:24] | djbeenie: | awesome! |
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| [02:07:05] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.pastebin.ca/765489 |
| [02:07:09] | iamlindoro_: | The script looks like that |
| [02:07:19] | iamlindoro_: | I call it /usr/bin/change_chan.sh |
| [02:07:38] | iamlindoro_: | so sudo nano /usr/bin/change_can.sh |
| [02:07:45] | iamlindoro_: | and paste that, and we'll edit as necessary |
| [02:07:52] | djbeenie: | k |
| [02:08:00] | iamlindoro_: | REMOTE_NAME= the name of teh remote you're trying to emulate in your lircd.conf |
| [02:08:12] | iamlindoro_: | "Directv" or whatever you called it |
| [02:08:46] | iamlindoro_: | then just make sure it's pointed at the right /dev/lirc* device, should be right I think (unless yours is /dev/lirc/0 or something?) |
| [02:08:59] | iamlindoro_: | you want to point it at the lircd |
| [02:09:02] | iamlindoro_: | so it should be right |
| [02:09:16] | iamlindoro_: | save it and exit, then tell me when you are ready |
| [02:09:30] | iamlindoro_: | and we'll go to the next step |
| [02:11:18] | iamlindoro_: | hey, ps, above, I misspelled "change_chan.sh" so if you copied and pasted, fix the file name :) |
| [02:11:54] | djbeenie: | the first REMOTE_NAME should be my mythremote...the second REMOTE_NAME should be my direct tv remote? |
| [02:11:58] | djbeenie: | in the script |
| [02:12:13] | iamlindoro_: | no, you only put it once |
| [02:12:24] | iamlindoro_: | leave the variables alone |
| [02:12:38] | iamlindoro_: | you only change the second line, REMOTE_NAME= |
| [02:12:52] | iamlindoro_: | and you only put the directv remote name in |
| [02:12:59] | iamlindoro_: | you never mention your myth remote |
| [02:13:11] | djbeenie: | ahh woops |
| [02:13:15] | djbeenie: | k |
| [02:13:17] | iamlindoro_: | Listen, what did you can your directv remote, and what the name of your lirc device? I will edit for you |
| [02:13:19] | djbeenie: | just my directtv remote |
| [02:13:36] | iamlindoro_: | case sensitive, btw |
| [02:13:39] | djbeenie: | DirectTV_HD20–100 |
| [02:13:51] | iamlindoro_: | that's what you called the remote in lircd.conf? |
| [02:13:57] | djbeenie: | yeah lol |
| [02:14:06] | djbeenie: | well thats the script I found for it |
| [02:14:13] | iamlindoro_: | ok, and your lirc device? should be /dev/lircd, right? |
| [02:14:41] | djbeenie: | i think its /0 |
| [02:14:47] | djbeenie: | lemme double check |
| [02:14:55] | iamlindoro_: | do an ls /dev/lircd -al |
| [02:15:02] | iamlindoro_: | you should have an lircd there somewhere |
| [02:15:27] | djbeenie: | srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Nov 7 20:47 /dev/lircd |
| [02:15:30] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, it almost certainly is |
| [02:15:30] | iamlindoro_: | good |
| [02:15:32] | iamlindoro_: | ok |
| [02:15:32] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.pastebin.ca/765495 |
| [02:15:39] | iamlindoro_: | your script should be exactly that |
| [02:15:46] | iamlindoro_: | paste it in, save, exit nano, and tell me |
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| [02:16:22] | djbeenie: | done |
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| [02:16:50] | iamlindoro_: | ok, sudo chmod 777 scriptname (whatever you called it, including path) |
| [02:17:00] | iamlindoro_: | ie sudo chmod 777 /usr/bin/change_chan.sh |
| [02:17:25] | iamlindoro_: | for reference, what did you call it |
| [02:17:31] | iamlindoro_: | w/ path |
| [02:17:35] | fiXXXerMe1: | I'm trying to install mythtv-backend and mythtv-backend-master but it says that i need X to run mythtv-setup. I don't want X on the backend though. |
| [02:17:40] | fiXXXerMe1: | Any other way to run it? |
| [02:17:42] | djbeenie: | done |
| [02:17:53] | djbeenie: | /usr/bin/change_chan.sh |
| [02:17:57] | iamlindoro_: | ok |
| [02:18:03] | iamlindoro_: | stick the emitter on the front of your DTV box |
| [02:18:10] | djbeenie: | done |
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| [02:18:20] | iamlindoro_: | and get somewhere you can see if this works (with tv on or whatever) |
| [02:18:23] | iamlindoro_: | and truy |
| [02:18:25] | iamlindoro_: | er and try |
| [02:18:26] | black_Nightmare_: | hey iamlindoro :p |
| [02:18:38] | iamlindoro_: | sh /usr/bin/change_chan.sh (some channel number you know works) |
| [02:18:43] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, do i need to add the script to my mythtv? |
| [02:18:57] | iamlindoro_: | hey black_nightmare |
| [02:19:05] | iamlindoro_: | djbeenie, you don't mind if we test it first, do you?????? |
| [02:19:15] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, oh ok :) |
| [02:19:42] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, unknown remote |
| [02:19:55] | iamlindoro_: | then that's not what you called it in lircd.conf :) |
| [02:20:02] | iamlindoro_: | or you screwed up the cases |
| [02:20:03] | djbeenie: | lemme double check |
| [02:20:08] | iamlindoro_: | case sensitive |
| [02:21:13] | iamlindoro_: | fixxxerme1, Idon't think so, you can remove it afterwards, but you need it to run setup as far as I know |
| [02:21:26] | iamlindoro_: | there are probably some hacky ways to get it to work, but I don't know them :) |
| [02:21:37] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, ok fixed name, getting this irsend: unknown command: "ok/select" |
| [02:21:49] | iamlindoro_: | oh, no big deal |
| [02:22:01] | iamlindoro_: | figure out what you called the equivalent of "enter" or whatever in lircd.conf |
| [02:22:09] | iamlindoro_: | on your directv remote |
| [02:22:24] | iamlindoro_: | or OK, or whatever, thn tell me |
| [02:22:25] | iamlindoro_: | er then |
| [02:24:04] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, enter is set on my mceusb remote |
| [02:24:19] | iamlindoro_: | ok, but you have to have an equivalent in your directv remote |
| [02:24:27] | iamlindoro_: | enter, ok, select, something like that |
| [02:24:30] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, no i dont |
| [02:24:37] | iamlindoro_: | did you record all the keys??? |
| [02:24:53] | iamlindoro_: | You can't be telling me that your directTV remote has NO enter, ok, select, etc. |
| [02:24:56] | djbeenie: | no i copied codes from lirc.org |
| [02:25:08] | iamlindoro_: | And they're for your exact box? |
| [02:25:17] | djbeenie: | yup |
| [02:25:22] | iamlindoro_: | hold on, I will look it up |
| [02:25:23] | djbeenie: | i have select |
| [02:25:46] | djbeenie: | should I change that to enter? |
| [02:25:55] | iamlindoro_: | you most certainly DO have a select |
| [02:26:01] | iamlindoro_: | no |
| [02:26:02] | iamlindoro_: | NO |
| [02:26:12] | iamlindoro_: | don't TOUCH lircd.conf |
| [02:26:16] | black_Nightmare_: | just a dumb question but I presume pio mode drives do or don't have dma? |
| [02:26:20] | iamlindoro_: | OK, re-edit the script, and on the last line, last word, change ok/select to select |
| [02:26:37] | djbeenie: | k |
| [02:26:44] | djbeenie: | ahhhh |
| [02:26:48] | iamlindoro_: | then run the script with a channel you know Should change fine |
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| [02:27:59] | djbeenie: | i ran the script and no errors |
| [02:28:34] | iamlindoro_: | ok, so did it change?? |
| [02:28:39] | iamlindoro_: | I presume you're watching the TV |
| [02:29:01] | djbeenie: | no my tv is my monitor lol |
| [02:29:16] | iamlindoro_: | So go watch TV in myth and see if it changed |
| [02:29:38] | iamlindoro_: | or, keep a terminal window open, start watching tv in myth, alt-tab back to the terminal wndow, and run the script to change channels |
| [02:31:59] | black_Nightmare_: | nevermind someone told me it doesn't |
| [02:33:57] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, well its doing something haha...my direct tv is making a sound..its not changing the channels though |
| [02:34:21] | iamlindoro_: | hrm, what sound? Sounds like you might have the wrong remote file |
| [02:35:11] | fiXXXerMe1: | What is the default mythtv user password? |
| [02:35:35] | djbeenie: | if i run irw...all the keys are correct |
| [02:35:53] | iamlindoro_: | ok, what's the sound? |
| [02:36:32] | iamlindoro_: | And you did something like "sh /usr/bin/change_chan.sh 123" |
| [02:36:34] | iamlindoro_: | right? |
| [02:36:42] | black_Nightmare_: | guess maybe I do need to look in trading hds then for video capture...blah |
| [02:37:23] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, oh no I didnt do that :) |
| [02:37:25] | djbeenie: | haha |
| [02:37:31] | iamlindoro_: | Well that's why, yo |
| [02:37:41] | iamlindoro_: | can't change channels if you don't tell it what channel to change to |
| [02:38:00] | ** iamlindoro_ stabs himself in the eye with a pen. ** | |
| [02:38:24] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [02:38:35] | iamlindoro_: | so NOW how's it working |
| [02:38:49] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, hahaha sorry bro...i appreciate your patience haha :) |
| [02:38:59] | iamlindoro_: | I bet the sound your directv was making was "the sound of only pressing select," hahahah |
| [02:39:09] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, yes sir! :) |
| [02:39:13] | iamlindoro_: | works? |
| [02:39:13] | djbeenie: | all working |
| [02:39:20] | iamlindoro_: | ok, so exit frontend and kill the backend |
| [02:39:26] | iamlindoro_: | and run mythtv-setup |
| [02:39:58] | iamlindoro_: | under "input connections," go to the input your directv is connected to |
| [02:40:12] | djbeenie: | k |
| [02:40:15] | iamlindoro_: | and where is says "External channel change command" |
| [02:40:21] | djbeenie: | yup |
| [02:40:22] | iamlindoro_: | put /usr/bin/change_chan.sh |
| [02:40:22] | djbeenie: | got it in there |
| [02:40:32] | iamlindoro_: | then finish, exit, restart backend, and you should be set |
| [02:40:39] | djbeenie: | sweet! :) |
| [02:40:40] | djbeenie: | lemme try |
| [02:40:43] | iamlindoro_: | ok |
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| [02:44:54] | fiXXXerMe1: | What is the default mythtv user password? |
| [02:45:01] | iamlindoro_: | there is none |
| [02:45:05] | iamlindoro_: | in what distro? |
| [02:45:11] | fiXXXerMe1: | ubuntu |
| [02:45:12] | iamlindoro_: | in ubuntu it is randomized |
| [02:45:30] | iamlindoro_: | and do you mean the sql password or account pwd? |
| [02:45:49] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, well it was working ...then it stopped |
| [02:46:12] | fiXXXerMe1: | the random password isn't working. user account passwd (unix) |
| [02:46:45] | iamlindoro_: | so sudo su then passwd mythtv and reset then |
| [02:46:57] | iamlindoro_: | djbeenie, stopped how? |
| [02:47:05] | fiXXXerMe1: | Asking for the current password and it isn't working |
| [02:47:21] | iamlindoro_: | then you didn't sudo su |
| [02:47:26] | iamlindoro_: | because it won't ask root |
| [02:47:27] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, it stopped changing channels.. hmmm |
| [02:47:49] | iamlindoro_: | djbeenie, restart |
| [02:48:24] | fiXXXerMe1: | got it iamlindoro_ |
| [02:48:31] | iamlindoro_: | good |
| [02:48:41] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, is it supposed to have like a 2 or 3 second delay? |
| [02:48:48] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [02:48:53] | djbeenie: | ahh ok |
| [02:48:55] | iamlindoro_: | keep in mind you're watching a buffer |
| [02:49:00] | djbeenie: | i know :) |
| [02:49:01] | djbeenie: | hehe |
| [02:49:42] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, well thank you so much for helping me out! if I would I would take you out for some beers! haha |
| [02:49:50] | djbeenie: | could* |
| [02:50:03] | iamlindoro_: | all good |
| [02:50:45] | iamlindoro_: | glad it's all working |
| [02:50:55] | iamlindoro_: | long process for you |
| [02:51:23] | iamlindoro_: | But I can definitely remember struggling with lirc and being afraid to reboot my machine for fear of having it never come back, so I understand |
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| [02:52:51] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, hahaha i know man... well at least I know how to fix things now..you taught me a lot! :) |
| [02:53:06] | iamlindoro_: | glad to help, and I'm sure you'll end up passing it on |
| [02:54:42] | fiXXXerMe1: | I need to setup my backend in the nxt 6 minutes so I can record Manswers |
| [02:54:55] | iamlindoro_: | ha |
| [02:54:57] | iamlindoro_: | hahaha |
| [02:55:00] | iamlindoro_: | HAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| [02:55:05] | ** iamlindoro_ begins to cry ** | |
| [02:55:11] | fiXXXerMe1: | :) |
| [02:55:21] | iamlindoro_: | Hahaha... Heee heeeee, I just... whooooooo |
| [02:55:38] | iamlindoro_: | *tear* |
| [02:56:12] | iamlindoro_: | Ah well, at least people freaking TALK in here, try getting any help in #ffmpeg, filthy bastards |
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| [02:56:57] | iamlindoro_: | If I just told people to read the myth manual as an answer to everything, I'd seem smart too... (recently had a bad experience over there) |
| [02:58:06] | fiXXXerMe1: | I know how it is |
| [02:58:21] | iamlindoro_: | Anyway, what's the issue now that you got into the mythtv user? |
| [02:58:52] | fiXXXerMe1: | None now – running mythtv-setup over ssh with x |
| [02:59:02] | fiXXXerMe1: | ssh -X mythtv@192.168.9.196 /usr/bin/mythtv-setup |
| [02:59:14] | iamlindoro_: | ah, excellent, good call |
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| [03:00:34] | htpc-dvbs: | can linux defrag a hdd? |
| [03:00:49] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, question: is there a setting to make mythfrontend resizeable? |
| [03:00:57] | iamlindoro_: | htpc, you can fsck, but most of the common linux filesystems don't need defragging |
| [03:01:10] | iamlindoro_: | djbeenie, you can set it to "run in window, but not resizable |
| [03:01:28] | htpc-dvbs: | my video is choppy |
| [03:01:32] | iamlindoro_: | er "run in window" |
| [03:01:59] | htpc-dvbs: | huh |
| [03:02:02] | iamlindoro_: | htpc-dvbs, It's not going to be a defrag issue |
| [03:02:07] | iamlindoro_: | htpc, that was for djbeenie |
| [03:02:11] | htpc-dvbs: | oh |
| [03:02:20] | htpc-dvbs: | what could be my problem |
| [03:02:32] | iamlindoro_: | About a bajillion things :) |
| [03:02:37] | clever: | using the filefrag program you can see how badly fragmented a file is(needs root) |
| [03:02:47] | iamlindoro_: | first place to look is on your log |
| [03:02:51] | clever: | but theres not many ways of unfraging it |
| [03:02:58] | htpc-dvbs: | so i type in sudo fsck |
| [03:03:02] | iamlindoro_: | and the console when you run frontend |
| [03:03:09] | clever: | if you got a fair ammount of free space it wont fragment much |
| [03:03:15] | iamlindoro_: | htpc, it needs to be run against an unmounted volume |
| [03:03:40] | htpc-dvbs: | cleaver 300 gigs free |
| [03:03:45] | iamlindoro_: | so if you want to fsck your boot drive, you need to mount in repair console mode or from a live cd |
| [03:03:56] | clever: | then it probly wont fragment badly anytime soon |
| [03:04:09] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, oh ok.. so now when I set a recording..lets say a show that comes ontonight, and my channel is on a different channel, it should change the channel for me? |
| [03:04:16] | htpc-dvbs: | i can figure out why my video so choppy |
| [03:04:17] | iamlindoro_: | yes, it will |
| [03:04:25] | clever: | it picks the free space in a smart method so it wont fragment |
| [03:04:37] | clever: | but if it gets real low it wont have any good choices and it will fragment more |
| [03:05:07] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, was that for me? haha |
| [03:05:13] | clever: | 1006_20070917233000.nuv.tmp: 205 extents found, perfection would be 2 extents |
| [03:05:23] | iamlindoro_: | djbeenie, yes, it will change if it's not on the right channel |
| [03:05:24] | clever: | (2gig free so my stuff is starting to fragment) |
| [03:05:51] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, SWEET!! this is awesome! i cant thank you enough :) |
| [03:05:57] | iamlindoro_: | actually, it will change channels even if it's on the RIGHT channel, just to be sure |
| [03:06:18] | htpc-dvbs: | clever what would cause a nvida fx5200 to start going choppy |
| [03:06:34] | clever: | htpc-dvbs: check cpu usage using top |
| [03:06:37] | clever: | while playing a video |
| [03:06:41] | iamlindoro_: | htpc, what distro? |
| [03:06:58] | iamlindoro_: | fyi, I had some issues on default nvidia gutsy drivers recently |
| [03:07:08] | iamlindoro_: | a rollback to 100.14.11 fixed some prebuffering pauses |
| [03:07:09] | htpc-dvbs: | dreamlinux |
| [03:07:16] | iamlindoro_: | which is ubuntu based |
| [03:07:16] | clever: | best checked thru ssh so you dont have to minimize the video and alter performance |
| [03:07:25] | htpc-dvbs: | how do i roll it back |
| [03:07:35] | iamlindoro_: | meh, don't worry about that now, do as clever suggests |
| [03:07:46] | iamlindoro_: | It's just a possibility, follow troubleshooting method |
| [03:07:51] | htpc-dvbs: | debain bases |
| [03:07:52] | iamlindoro_: | before we try random things |
| [03:08:27] | htpc-dvbs: | okay |
| [03:08:38] | htpc-dvbs: | this whatz it doing |
| [03:08:48] | clever: | where most of the cpu is going can tell alot about some problems |
| [03:08:58] | clever: | top just shows the top programs in cpu usage |
| [03:08:59] | htpc-dvbs: | in first 2 mins of a play vieo it slows down |
| [03:09:11] | clever: | Cpu(s): 10.0%us, 4.1%sy, 82.6%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 1.2%hi, 2.1%si, 0.0%st |
| [03:09:29] | clever: | im transcoding atm but can still play video also |
| [03:09:59] | htpc-dvbs: | 2.48 |
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| [03:11:55] | htpc-dvbs: | is 2.48 high |
| [03:11:58] | htpc-dvbs: | ? |
| [03:12:21] | fiXXXerMe1: | 2.48 load is high |
| [03:12:49] | clever: | top – 23:12:42 up 14 days, 8:56, 9 users, load average: 3.52, 2.87, 2.16 |
| [03:13:02] | clever: | transcoding watching a recording and several xterms |
| [03:13:31] | clever: | ive had over 100 loadavg before |
| [03:14:06] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, beryl and mythtv freaking rules! haha |
| [03:14:23] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, glad you're happy with it |
| [03:14:35] | djbeenie: | this looks so awesome! haha |
| [03:16:19] | htpc-dvbs: | it a p4 2.20 ghz |
| [03:16:54] | fiXXXerMe1: | crap My cable line isn't long enogh to reach the pc |
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| [03:17:46] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro_, well beryl will resize mythtvfront end.. :) |
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| [03:18:19] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm, I guess it would |
| [03:19:02] | htpc-dvbs: | i found my problem |
| [03:19:13] | htpc-dvbs: | cpu was at 83 f |
| [03:19:20] | htpc-dvbs: | not good |
| [03:19:31] | fiXXXerMe1: | what! |
| [03:19:32] | htpc-dvbs: | my cpu likes 50's |
| [03:19:39] | fiXXXerMe1: | I can use firewire for captures/changes |
| [03:19:39] | iamlindoro_: | 83 f is not at all high |
| [03:19:45] | lucidblue: | hola all, I just got an mce remote that I'm trying to work with, but it seems to be loading as a keyboard after running irw, it doesn't show any output, the up and down act like arrow keys |
| [03:19:57] | iamlindoro_: | 83 C is damn high, but not f |
| [03:20:04] | htpc-dvbs: | on my pc it is too hot |
| [03:20:14] | htpc-dvbs: | it likes 50's f |
| [03:20:29] | lucidblue: | htpc-dvbs: do you keep it in the fridge? |
| [03:20:31] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, what are you cooling it with, liquid nitrogen? |
| [03:20:44] | iamlindoro_: | lucidblue, haha |
| [03:21:07] | htpc-dvbs: | no liquid cooled |
| [03:21:20] | lucidblue: | haha oh |
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| [03:21:29] | htpc-dvbs: | i use r134a |
| [03:22:10] | lucidblue: | so any ideas on how i can trouble shoot this? it's my first attempt at lirc, I don't have a system to put full mythtv on, but I might try to use a frontend for menuing if possible |
| [03:22:40] | lucidblue: | I think the system is autoloading it as a usb keyboard, not sure how to stop that yet |
| [03:23:52] | lucidblue: | I saw an ubuntu post that says this worked with the lirc_mceusb2 driver, but I think it isn't binding |
| [03:23:53] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like you're about to say "ATI Remote Wonder" |
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| [03:24:53] | iamlindoro_: | lucidblue, dmesg |grep lirc will tell you a lot |
| [03:25:09] | lucidblue: | hahaha it's a generic RC-MCE it's made to be used with the media center. seems like it works as a keyboard/mouse pretty good, but I want to be able to control it more... thanks, I'll try that |
| [03:25:45] | lucidblue: | yah, I had tried that, it just shows where I loaded the driver |
| [03:26:04] | iamlindoro_: | pastebin it |
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| [04:50:00] | mike3: | hey guys... So I got an odd problem. It seems when I'm watching or recording live tv in myth the picture is not as good as watching it directly through the TV. The coloring and picture quaility is not as good. Any settings I can adjust to fix this? |
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| [05:00:15] | squidly: | does mytharchive use /tmp? |
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| [05:00:24] | clever: | it did it again |
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| [05:45:10] | pembo13_com: | how do you guys handle mythcommflag suckign resources? |
| [05:45:34] | pembo13_com: | i just had to stop watching live tv as mythcommflag was using 24% of the CPU |
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| [05:54:36] | BenB: | pembo13_com: shouldn't it be |nice|d? |
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| [05:55:27] | drgeb: | after upgrading to gutsy suddenly my mythtv is behaving pretty strange |
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| [05:56:33] | drgeb: | I am unable to select recordings and for it to have these scheduled to be recorded, unable to sroll through channels for watching eventhough they are available in the list. |
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| [05:56:54] | drgeb: | whats the best way to debug all these issues and fix ?? or should I just reinstall completely ? |
| [05:59:09] | pembo13_com: | BenB, i would have hoped so |
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| [06:06:59] | Gumby: | can anyone tell me if it is possible to start a transcode of a recorded program remotely via ssh? |
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| [06:25:06] | BenB: | Gumby: yes, I think so. there's a transcode commandline app, IIRC. don't know about details, though |
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| [06:25:35] | BenB: | Gumby: mythtranscode |
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| [06:44:28] | lucidblue: | guys, can I watch videos that I already have with mythtv? |
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| [06:54:29] | clever: | lucidblue: using the mythvideo plugin you can watch normal .avi files and stuff |
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| [07:06:18] | lucidblue: | clever: I think I found what I was looking for, it myth.rebuilddatabase.pl, but it says it can't connect to mysql... all I'm finding on google is host permission issues, but this is on the same machine, and I can connect with te same info via cli |
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| [07:13:30] | lucidblue: | figured it out, it was that i needed the -dbhost localhost option.. |
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| [10:36:38] | levander: | I'm looking at a script where this guy is using mythfilldatabase and the --dd-file a lineupid, but then he appends the characters ':-' to the end of the lineupid. Any idea why he would do that?? |
| [10:39:20] | clever: | ive got a wierd problem |
| [10:39:28] | clever: | the bitrate for my recordings has doubled |
| [10:39:38] | clever: | so it went from 1gig/hour to 2gig/hour |
| [10:39:53] | clever: | which cut my free space(in hours) in half |
| [10:40:13] | clever: | and it was allready at 5hours free but now it bearly has any room |
| [10:41:03] | Agrajag-: | most people just let myth handle their free space (normally you have none – and just let myth auto expire old stuff) |
| [10:41:29] | clever: | i left it at 1gig min free |
| [10:41:41] | clever: | but it refused to expire ... because it was comm flaging |
| [10:41:46] | clever: | causing it to overflow |
| [10:42:00] | clever: | i posted a bug report and it was closed without being fixed |
| [10:42:17] | clever: | i turned the limit to 2gig min free which semi fixed it |
| [10:42:26] | Agrajag-: | didn't other things get autoexpired? |
| [10:42:30] | clever: | i could record 2 hours before it MUST autoexpire |
| [10:42:46] | clever: | but now the bitrate doubled so i only get 1 hour out of my minfree |
| [10:42:56] | clever: | most of my stuff isnt on auto expire |
| [10:42:58] | Agrajag-: | you either have not enough space for recordings or you're not letting things autoexpire |
| [10:43:06] | Agrajag-: | i think that'd be your problem then |
| [10:43:13] | Agrajag-: | get more space if you want to keep your recordings |
| [10:43:13] | clever: | but that auto expire bug is getting worse now |
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| [10:43:23] | clever: | with the undelete feature |
| [10:43:27] | clever: | if i delete something |
| [10:43:29] | clever: | it keeps flagging |
| [10:43:32] | clever: | and cant expire |
| [10:43:36] | Agrajag-: | well i can see how it's not considered a bug |
| [10:43:48] | clever: | so i have to manualy change recgroup and perm delete it |
| [10:44:14] | Agrajag-: | your real problem is that you don't have enough space because you're not letting things autoexpire |
| [10:44:20] | clever: | why skip something thats flagign if your going to delete it asap when it finishes though? |
| [10:44:40] | clever: | why not just delete it now and stop the flagging? |
| [10:45:19] | clever: | id make the change myself if i knew how autoexpire tracked if files where in use |
| [10:45:47] | Agrajag-: | well i think if you made a patch for it it would possibly be considered, but other people don't see it as a problem because they let other things autoexpire and have the disk space |
| [10:45:52] | clever: | and that bit rate doubling bug has resulted in my storage space being cut in half |
| [10:47:03] | clever: | 131gig going towards mythtv |
| [10:47:19] | clever: | 153gig used on myth's lvm volume |
| [10:47:23] | clever: | 2.1gig free |
| [10:47:42] | Agrajag-: | a) get more space b) let other things expire |
| [10:48:07] | clever: | i have a 160gig drive on the floor(in a usb enclosre) |
| [10:48:12] | clever: | but its NTFS right now and full |
| [10:48:49] | clever: | and i dont see why the bitrate would double on its own(no setting changes) when i did a svn update |
| [10:49:01] | clever: | (frame grabber card) |
| [10:53:36] | clever is now known as clever[rev] | |
| [10:55:13] | clever[rev]: | also a bug in 'make install' causes it to allways update version.cpp |
| [10:55:16] | levander: | I changed the IP address of the machine that the backend is on. Now I need to tell the front end about the change. I see in front-end's setup where in Setup -> General you can tell it the IP of the database. Where can I tell it the IP of the back end? |
| [10:55:33] | clever[rev]: | mythtv-setup has the MASTER backend ip |
| [10:55:44] | clever[rev]: | and you also need to set the ip of the backend itself |
| [10:55:52] | levander: | I thought mythtv-setup sets up the backend? |
| [10:56:07] | clever[rev]: | it also sets which backend is master |
| [10:56:11] | levander: | clever[rev]: the backend already knows its IP |
| [10:56:20] | clever[rev]: | and it checks that its master by comparing masterip==ownip |
| [10:56:21] | levander: | I only have one backend, it's the master. |
| [10:56:43] | levander: | clever[rev]: the backend is working fine, I need to tell the frontend where the backend is. |
| [10:56:45] | clever[rev]: | in the 1st menu in mythtv-setup youll see the option for the master backend ip |
| [10:57:00] | clever[rev]: | under the setting for the local backend's ip |
| [10:57:09] | levander: | clever[rev]: will that option also tell the frontend where the backend ip is? |
| [10:57:14] | clever[rev]: | yes |
| [10:57:19] | levander: | cool, i'm gonna try |
| [10:57:49] | clever[rev]: | the backend may also say 'starting as SLAVE backend' because you didnt update that |
| [11:05:56] | clever[rev]: | Agrajag-: i understand that i need more space overall but WHY would the code suddenly start taking up twice as much space at before? |
| [11:11:17] | levander: | clever[rev]: thanks, that did th trick |
| [11:11:25] | clever[rev]: | :) |
| [11:11:56] | levander: | Now, in the channel editor, do I have to go through and give every channel a name individually? All their names are "Adding Channel (xx)". |
| [11:15:29] | clever[rev]: | when i added channels they all had the 'right' name from the start |
| [11:16:15] | levander: | clever[rev]: Are you using Schedules Direct? I'm not, maybe that's why my channel names didn't come in? |
| [11:16:27] | clever[rev]: | yeah im on SD |
| [11:16:33] | clever[rev]: | was on datadirect which did the same |
| [11:29:35] | Dibblah: | clever[rev]: Nope. |
| [11:30:10] | ** clever[rev] cleans the ffmpeg area of the source and rebuilds to check my transcode problems ** | |
| [11:30:13] | Dibblah: | If you're actively developing a patch, it's -dev. If you're planning on actively developing a patch, it *may* be -dev. |
| [11:30:40] | Dibblah: | I'd suggest a distclean. Nuke it from orbit – It's the only way to be sure. |
| [11:31:02] | clever[rev]: | that would take hours to undo |
| [11:31:15] | clever[rev]: | a tactical strike and testcase would take a few mins |
| [11:31:27] | clever[rev]: | and id still have the option to clean afterwards |
| [11:33:51] | Dibblah: | What's your build machine? |
| [11:34:23] | clever[rev]: | at this instant 3 boxes(7.10 7.10 and 7.04) are sharing a bin/ |
| [11:34:43] | clever[rev]: | which is made by the 7.04(1ghz laptop distcc'ing with a 400mhz desktop) |
| [11:35:07] | clever[rev]: | and then the master is 6.06 and has its own bin/ and build dir |
| [11:35:11] | clever[rev]: | (1.6ghz) |
| [11:35:26] | Dibblah: | That shouldn't take 2 hours to build Myth. |
| [11:35:46] | clever[rev]: | its the swaping that causes the problems |
| [11:36:18] | Dibblah: | If you want a quick test, remove -O3. |
| [11:36:48] | clever[rev]: | oops |
| [11:36:54] | Dibblah: | The build time decreases by 75%. |
| [11:37:04] | clever[rev]: | was rebuilding as root:P |
| [11:37:30] | Dibblah: | Realistically – Who cares? |
| [11:37:33] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [11:37:40] | clever[rev]: | then mythtv cant write/delete the files |
| [11:40:25] | rooaus: | clever[rev]: From r14800 commit log, "run make distclean before reporting problems". ;) |
| [11:40:45] | clever[rev]: | didnt read the commit log for every change i aplied:P |
| [11:40:51] | clever[rev]: | i just did a svn update |
| [11:42:56] | rooaus: | fair enough, just pointing out that when all else fails you will need to do a distclean. That commit was a ffmpeg resync and it is not unusual to experience some short term pain. :) |
| [11:43:15] | rooaus: | s/when/if |
| [11:43:27] | clever[rev]: | if the makefile was made right i dont think you would ever need a (dist)clean |
| [11:43:35] | hexxeh|work: | there's a new ffmpeg sync into myth? fo'realz? |
| [11:44:01] | rooaus: | yep |
| [11:44:30] | hexxeh|work: | sexylicious! that means threaded h264 decoding! |
| [11:44:41] | clever[rev]: | it said something about 264 and threading |
| [11:44:44] | rooaus: | seems that way :) |
| [11:44:56] | clever[rev]: | it also seems to have doubled my recording bitrate |
| [11:45:14] | Dibblah: | hexxeh|work: No. |
| [11:45:21] | hexxeh|work: | Dibblah, no? O_o |
| [11:45:21] | clever[rev]: | 86vm -lXrandr -lXvMCW -lXvMC -lqt-mt -lGLU -lGL -lXmu -lXext -lX11 -lm -lpthread |
| [11:45:21] | clever[rev]: | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| [11:45:22] | clever[rev]: | 2007-11–08 07:44:42.708 transcode: Transcode Errored: Dail |
| [11:45:27] | Dibblah: | Well, yes, but it is disabled by default. |
| [11:45:36] | clever[rev]: | (mythranscode failed while in the middle of compiling to fix it) |
| [11:45:46] | hexxeh|work: | Dibblah, whyso? |
| [11:45:54] | rooaus: | I think there will be some config settings to come . |
| [11:47:17] | clever[rev]: | :O 14800 was a massive change |
| [11:47:49] | clever[rev]: | 400 files modified... |
| [11:48:32] | hexxeh|work: | clever[rev], yeah, an ffmpeg sync. they're big |
| [11:54:37] | levander: | Well, just about everything is up and going. Now the problem is I see "video artifacts" at the top of the screen when I watching live TV. |
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| [11:55:03] | levander: | Like on every channel, there are these thin grey rectangles at the top. |
| [11:55:17] | clever[rev]: | i get artifacts at the top/bottom edge on certain shows/channels |
| [11:55:23] | clever[rev]: | which are normaly hidden by overscanning |
| [11:55:42] | levander: | Sometimes, you can see outlines of controls from the GNOME panel in more defined grey rectangles. |
| [11:55:46] | clever[rev]: | yeah i think i had small blocks on the top edge |
| [11:55:56] | clever[rev]: | my main myth is on kde |
| [11:55:59] | levander: | I wonder if the GNOME panel is causing all those artifacts? |
| [11:56:14] | clever[rev]: | and my kde panel is on the far right where i dont see artifacts |
| [11:56:25] | levander: | Hmmm... |
| [11:56:31] | levander: | gonna go play with it some more... |
| [11:57:00] | clever[rev]: | make the gnome panel larger |
| [11:57:09] | clever[rev]: | so its more clearly visible when it is ontop |
| [11:57:37] | levander: | I tried auto-hiding the GNOME panel, didn't change anything... |
| [11:57:54] | clever[rev]: | mythtv seems to allways ontop itself |
| [11:58:00] | clever[rev]: | over the panel(on my gnome and kde systems) |
| [11:58:16] | clever[rev]: | but smetimes the kde panel gets ontop but alt+tab out and back in fixes it |
| [11:58:26] | levander: | clever[rev]: yeah, it'd be neat if i could figure out how to run mythfrontend in just a little window on my desktop |
| [11:58:27] | clever[rev]: | (depends on which monitor the mouse is in) |
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| [11:58:42] | clever[rev]: | mythtv can run in a window of a static size |
| [11:58:50] | clever[rev]: | in the setup you can mark it as windowed and set the size |
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| [11:59:05] | levander: | clever[rev]: when i hit alt-tab, i can go to a different application running on my desktop, after i've gone to that application i get the panels |
| [11:59:26] | levander: | clever[rev]: you hitting alt-tab, you're going back to the mythfrontend app, that's why the panels are disappearing. |
| [11:59:26] | clever[rev]: | and when i alt+tab back to myth the kde panel is properly hidden |
| [11:59:48] | clever[rev]: | the artifacts i had are in the video stream itself |
| [12:00:01] | levander: | clever[rev]: wish it was more dynamic than have to reset it up... |
| [12:00:03] | clever[rev]: | i could probly also get them in a windowed mplayer with ease |
| [12:00:08] | levander: | re-set it up* |
| [12:00:21] | clever[rev]: | the themes get scaled to the 'window' size at startup |
| [12:00:29] | levander: | clever[rev]: ahhh, i didn't think of that... yeah, they probably are in the video stream... |
| [12:00:33] | clever[rev]: | if you change the size it would have to rescale the themes |
| [12:00:44] | clever[rev]: | and restarting the fe does that |
| [12:00:53] | levander: | clever[rev]: it has a dialog saying it's rescaling the theme every time i start it up anyway |
| [12:01:04] | clever[rev]: | normaly its just reloading the caches themes |
| [12:01:11] | levander: | ah... |
| [12:01:24] | clever[rev]: | but it goes slower when you change the window size(or screen res) |
| [12:01:26] | levander: | well, i wish they could cache multiple sizes then... |
| [12:01:30] | clever[rev]: | or change the theme to one not in the cache |
| [12:01:40] | levander: | then you could pick from a few pre-defined window sizes at least |
| [12:01:40] | clever[rev]: | the cache has X sets of resized themes |
| [12:01:54] | clever[rev]: | increase X and you have more sets of resized themes |
| [12:02:07] | levander: | clever[rev]: can you keep multiple sizes of a single theme? |
| [12:02:29] | clever[rev]: | ls .mythtv/themecache/ |
| [12:02:29] | clever[rev]: | blue.1024.768 blue.800.600 |
| [12:02:29] | clever[rev]: | (2 versions of the blue theme in my cache on the laptop) |
| [12:02:39] | clever[rev]: | my paste shows 2 sizes for the blue theme |
| [12:02:54] | clever[rev]: | and on a diff box it shows more |
| [12:02:54] | clever[rev]: | ls .mythtv/themecache/ |
| [12:02:54] | clever[rev]: | Iulius.1024.768 MythCenter.1024.768 ProjectGrayhem.1400.1050 blue.1024.768 neon-wide.1024.768 |
| [12:02:54] | clever[rev]: | MePo-wide.1024.768 ProjectGrayhem.1024.768 Titivillus.1024.768 blue.1400.1050 |
| [12:03:15] | levander: | clever[rev]: but, i have to go through myth-setup if I want to run mythfrontend in a different size? |
| [12:03:22] | clever[rev]: | 2 blue's and 2 grayhem's and 1 of the others |
| [12:03:30] | clever[rev]: | its in the mythfrontend setup page |
| [12:03:36] | levander: | clever[rev]: yeah, cool, so they do keep multiple sizes of a single theme |
| [12:03:36] | clever[rev]: | setup |
| [12:03:38] | clever[rev]: | setup |
| [12:03:46] | clever[rev]: | appearance |
| [12:03:51] | levander: | ahhhh |
| [12:04:01] | clever[rev]: | theme cache size(number of sets to keep) |
| [12:04:07] | levander: | not myth-setup, going into setup of mythfrontend, that's not so bad |
| [12:04:32] | clever[rev]: | when you finish changing it the fe restarts itself |
| [12:04:39] | levander: | clever[rev]: no, not asking about number of cache sets, i'm asking about changing the window size of mythfrontend now |
| [12:04:48] | clever[rev]: | its in the same area |
| [12:04:52] | levander: | great!! |
| [12:05:14] | clever[rev]: | 2nd page after theme cache size |
| [12:05:20] | clever[rev]: | 'window the frontend in a window' |
| [12:05:26] | clever[rev]: | and the size |
| [12:05:35] | clever[rev]: | you can also unhide the mouse within myth |
| [12:05:52] | clever[rev]: | playback and the menu can also run at different sizes |
| [12:06:05] | clever[rev]: | (with the massive font you could get away with a 320x480 menu) |
| [12:06:06] | levander: | now all i have to do is figure out how to move television up a little on my screen so those artifacts go away |
| [12:06:33] | Dibblah: | Artifacts? |
| [12:06:35] | clever[rev]: | normaly that part of the image is cut off by the plastic over your CRT tube in the tv |
| [12:06:51] | clever[rev]: | and when the image size changes with brightness you dont see the edges moving |
| [12:06:53] | Dibblah: | You don't know how to read teletext / CC data? |
| [12:06:54] | levander: | Dibblah: the little grey rectangles at the top of the screen, we think they are part of the video stream |
| [12:07:15] | Dibblah: | They are – And are not artifacts ;) |
| [12:07:30] | clever[rev]: | i get them only on certain shows |
| [12:07:43] | clever[rev]: | but some shows have CC data and dont have the artifacts |
| [12:08:02] | levander: | People don't just move the picture up on their monitor so they don't have to look at those in MythTV? |
| [12:08:16] | clever[rev]: | i just ignore it myself |
| [12:08:52] | Dibblah: | levander: What capture source? |
| [12:09:02] | clever[rev]: | frame grabber here |
| [12:09:03] | levander: | WinTV PVR 500 |
| [12:09:54] | Dibblah: | Hrm. If you've set the capture resolution up right, AFAIK, the VBI shouldn't be recorded at all. |
| [12:10:46] | levander: | I just accepted defaults for all the stuff I didn't understand. Capture resolution is something I have no idea what to put. So, it surely just stayed at whatever the default was... |
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| [12:11:03] | levander: | I've only had Myth up and going for maybe a day. |
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| [12:11:17] | clever[rev]: | ive turned my video resolution a few times to try and shrink the filesizes |
| [12:12:37] | clever[rev]: | yay more core dumps |
| [12:12:49] | clever[rev]: | 4 dumps at once |
| [12:13:11] | clever[rev]: | and mythtranscode is failing on 1 box because it cant find the arts lib |
| [12:13:17] | clever[rev]: | why does transcode even need arts? |
| [12:13:44] | levander: | Found in the wiki where they talk about overscan: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan |
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| [12:29:12] | clever[rev]: | Dibblah: doing a make clean;configure;make -j 3 |
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| [13:15:13] | justinh: | looks like glass-wide is staying under wraps. can't find a licence that disallows redistribution & without a lawyer I can't take anybody on who infringes my rights, so screw it |
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| [13:17:49] | hexxeh|work: | PINE license |
| [13:19:23] | hexxeh|work: | nah, they changed their license to make it more liberal |
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| [13:30:38] | fiXXXerMet: | hai everyone |
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| [13:51:24] | jadz0r`home: | Hey guys, i've just set up a new myth box running a dvico Fusion HDTV DVB-T Lite, the playback on the tv seems really jerky...i've got restricted drivers enabled for the video card, video seems to play fine...and i've played around with the deinterlacing filters but nothing – any help? |
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| [14:06:11] | hexxeh|work: | SD or HD channels? |
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| [14:08:43] | jadz0r`home: | SD channels |
| [14:08:47] | jadz0r`home: | but same in HD channels too |
| [14:09:11] | jadz0r`home: | mythfrontned is running at 70% cpu |
| [14:10:24] | hexxeh|work: | what's the graphics card? |
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| [14:12:08] | moosylog: | anyone has frontpanel keys (play, pause etc.) on his machine and got them working in mythfrontend |
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| [14:13:33] | Dibblah: | moosylog: Look at LCDd... |
| [14:13:36] | clever[rev]: | moosylog: some of my keyboards have those keys |
| [14:13:51] | Dibblah: | Which might work :) |
| [14:14:13] | clever[rev]: | you may need to bind them to a key within xorg |
| [14:14:21] | clever[rev]: | then bind that key to a action in myth |
| [14:14:36] | Dibblah: | Usually, they're not HID devices. |
| [14:14:41] | Dibblah: | They're serial. |
| [14:14:57] | clever[rev]: | the ones ive had are part of the keyboard |
| [14:14:59] | Dibblah: | Depends on the box, of course :) |
| [14:15:04] | clever[rev]: | and they send special scancodes |
| [14:15:10] | moosylog: | yes, got them working in x.org – mythfrontend uses it's own keybindings so you need to remap the keys somehow |
| [14:15:11] | clever[rev]: | which may need to be tied to a key within X |
| [14:15:21] | Dibblah: | Ah – Right. |
| [14:15:32] | clever[rev]: | i saw a plugin within mythfrontend for editing the bindings |
| [14:15:41] | clever[rev]: | but it was only on 1 box and i think its gone now |
| [14:16:34] | jadz0r`home: | hexxeh|work, ATI x800 pro |
| [14:16:40] | moosylog: | Got an ~/.Xmodmap with command's like: keycode 162 = XF86AudioPlay |
| [14:17:19] | Dibblah: | So change the last bit to = P |
| [14:17:20] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [14:17:31] | clever[rev]: | you could make it act like the P key |
| [14:17:38] | clever[rev]: | which starts playing in the existing key bindings |
| [14:17:53] | Dibblah: | clever[rev]: Beat ya ;) |
| [14:17:58] | clever[rev]: | bit hackish since it only would affect myth |
| [14:18:09] | clever[rev]: | (was explaining your idea in more detail:P) |
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| [14:18:29] | Dibblah: | Myth boxes should be single purpose, ideally. |
| [14:19:08] | clever[rev]: | half my myth boxes are multi purpose |
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| [14:19:32] | clever[rev]: | the 'media' system is a torrent client,myth,irc,browser |
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| [14:19:40] | clever[rev]: | (and flager/transcoder for myth) |
| [14:21:28] | moosylog: | ok, give it a try...thanks |
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| [14:22:46] | fiXXXerMet: | Anyone here using Millennium Cable? |
| [14:22:50] | fiXXXerMet: | (mdm.net) |
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| [14:38:28] | hexxeh|work: | jadz0r`home, high cpu usage isn't meant to happen, but odd things happen with radeons on linux |
| [14:38:31] | hexxeh|work: | bad odd |
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| [14:46:15] | jadz0r`home: | hexxeh|work, yeah i took the card out of restricted mode, and put the official drivers on, and cpu usage dropped to around 40% |
| [14:46:18] | jadz0r`home: | but still had choppy playback |
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| [14:58:58] | fiXXXerMet: | Get this: |
| [14:59:51] | fiXXXerMet: | Talking to my cable company about the serial port on my cable box and they say it isn't active. I ask if they have any boxes with active firewire/serial and they say they do – their dvr box – that is $9.95 a month. I'm paying $15.00 a month now for my current box, that isn't DRV and doesn't have firewire or serial. Doesn't make sense, huh? |
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| [15:00:07] | canatella: | hello |
| [15:01:21] | canatella: | I've got suspend to ram and acpi wake up working. Suspending to ram does work without stopping the backend. Will the acpi alarm still be set when suspending or does the backend sets it only when it is shut down ? |
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| [15:11:10] | BenB: | hi |
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| [15:13:26] | gbee: | fiXXXerMet: is that $9.95 a short term offer, e.g. 9.95 for the first 3 month, $25 per month after that? Or is that $9.95 just for the DVR and whatever channel subscriptions ($15) you are paying come on top of that? |
| [15:14:27] | fiXXXerMet: | The guy said it's $9.95/month and that's it (plus my normal service charge). |
| [15:14:33] | fiXXXerMet: | It's 9.95 to rent the box |
| [15:16:04] | gbee: | bargin then |
| [15:16:22] | gbee: | compared to what you are currently getting at least |
| [15:16:30] | fiXXXerMet: | Yeah, it just seems too good |
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| [15:16:55] | fiXXXerMet: | So then I can use firewire for both recording and channel changing, and I don't even need coax? |
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| [15:29:15] | justinh: | Daviey: you know if something's packaged up in ubuntu, is there any way to force people to read release notes for it? |
| [15:29:38] | justinh: | well er – not _force_ but at least make it harder to ignore |
| [15:30:44] | directhex|work: | justinh, yes |
| [15:31:16] | directhex|work: | justinh, you can force a high priority debconf message, or stick an icon in the system tray with a "oi, junkslut, read this' message the way firefox updates do |
| [15:32:45] | justinh: | don't remember ever seeing one like that.. or any come to think about it |
| [15:33:15] | justinh: | that's not saying there've never been any – maybe just they were so easily dismissed they may aswell not have been there |
| [15:34:26] | directhex|work: | the systray ones, that's true. debconf ones can be made as unignorable as you want |
| [15:36:01] | justinh: | cool :) |
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| [15:46:31] | directhex|work: | justinh, poke superm1 in #ubuntu-mythtv, he seems awake |
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| [17:34:17] | Led-Hed: | anyone here using a R5000 -> XP -> MythTV? |
| [17:34:50] | clever[rev]: | R5000? |
| [17:35:04] | Led-Hed: | its a tunner that can capture premium HD Content |
| [17:35:08] | clever[rev]: | ahh |
| [17:35:15] | Led-Hed: | but only works on Windows |
| [17:35:19] | clever[rev]: | i dont even have a hardware encoder:( |
| [17:35:36] | Led-Hed: | why would you need a Hardware Encoder? |
| [17:35:37] | ** clever[rev] kicks the frame grabber ** | |
| [17:36:09] | clever[rev]: | recording the analog output on my digital box |
| [17:36:18] | Led-Hed: | a $40 nVidia FX5200 or 6200 will work just fine |
| [17:36:21] | clever[rev]: | so it needs to be encoded back to digital and compressed |
| [17:36:27] | mkrufky: | who makes this, R5000 ??? |
| [17:36:38] | mkrufky: | and what windows API is it using for this??? pBDA ? |
| [17:36:40] | Led-Hed: | mkrufky, hold on. I'll get U a link |
| [17:36:42] | clever[rev]: | my frame grabber card basicaly gives a raw video stream |
| [17:36:56] | Led-Hed: | mkrufky, http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/products.htm |
| [17:37:00] | ** mkrufky looks ** | |
| [17:37:14] | clever[rev]: | if its a standard video api within winblows you could make/find a nsidwrapper type program to convert it |
| [17:37:34] | Led-Hed: | clever[rev], Over my head |
| [17:37:46] | clever[rev]: | google may let you find a existing one though |
| [17:38:02] | Led-Hed: | mkrufky, http://www.nextcomwireless.com/r5000/mythtv.htm |
| [17:38:36] | mkrufky: | "Previously users were limited to recording from a single source at a time." LOL ... obviously they didnt consider mythty |
| [17:38:52] | Led-Hed: | ya |
| [17:39:03] | Led-Hed: | read the second link I pasted |
| [17:40:23] | clever[rev]: | most HD recorders catch the allready digital data stream and dont need a hardware encoder |
| [17:40:31] | clever[rev]: | but im stuck with analog input atm:( |
| [17:40:42] | mkrufky: | interesting....... |
| [17:41:04] | mkrufky: | i'm going to spin this around the office here during lunch and let you know what ppl here think |
| [17:41:39] | mkrufky: | looks like it's NOT pBDA .... so... they have their own proprietary api |
| [17:41:49] | mkrufky: | and it's more of a hack to the existing STB than anything else |
| [17:41:57] | mkrufky: | i doubt that microsoft is going to support this |
| [17:42:09] | mkrufky: | they'll have to use their own plugins to make it work |
| [17:42:13] | mkrufky: | ie: no native MCE support |
| [17:42:25] | mkrufky: | ...but that's just my guess |
| [17:42:36] | Led-Hed: | mkrufky, I could care less about MCE support, I want Linux Support. ;) |
| [17:42:54] | Led-Hed: | " In our experience though, the thought of maintaining even the most rudimentary XP box is a deal breaker for most Linux enthusiasts. |
| [17:42:54] | Led-Hed: | " |
| [17:43:00] | mkrufky: | you think i CARE about MCE? |
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| [17:43:02] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [17:43:07] | mkrufky: | im just saying |
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| [17:43:25] | Led-Hed: | well you were commenting on MCE so I just assumed you cared. LOL |
| [17:43:29] | mkrufky: | i have serious doubts that what they say on the mythtv page is true |
| [17:43:52] | mkrufky: | i bet that a good hacker, given the proper motivation, can break it |
| [17:44:05] | Led-Hed: | mkrufky, check this out |
| [17:44:07] | Led-Hed: | http://www.digital-everywhere.com/en/alcms/in . . . d=1187859689 |
| [17:44:11] | clever[rev]: | it sounds like the drivers just arent fully working in linux yet |
| [17:44:32] | Led-Hed: | that card is supposed to do the same thing except with SatTV |
| [17:44:53] | mkrufky: | ...and that makes a lot more sense |
| [17:44:55] | clever[rev]: | how many channels might i find on sat that arent encrypted? |
| [17:45:22] | clever[rev]: | (aka free channels) |
| [17:45:23] | Led-Hed: | clever[rev], not sure, I dont have SatTV |
| [17:45:39] | clever[rev]: | the house here came with a dish on the roof but we arent paying for it |
| [17:45:52] | clever[rev]: | was wondering what i might be able to pull from it legaly without paying |
| [17:45:54] | mkrufky: | i cant tell whether this device claims to support encrypted qam256 for usa digital cable |
| [17:45:56] | mkrufky: | i have doubts |
| [17:46:07] | mkrufky: | i think it's not worth anything if it cant support that |
| [17:46:16] | Led-Hed: | the cool thing about the FloppyDTV is that it completly replaces the SatTV Box, so you dont have to run IR Blasters |
| [17:46:28] | mkrufky: | floppydtv — thats been around for a long time, no? |
| [17:46:44] | mkrufky: | i think there's an ieee1394 flavor fo the same device |
| [17:46:46] | Led-Hed: | not sure. |
| [17:46:52] | mkrufky: | firedtv, its called |
| [17:46:53] | Led-Hed: | mkrufky, yes |
| [17:47:03] | clever[rev]: | i think a dvb-s card would replace the sat box but i dont know what would happen to the encrypted channels |
| [17:47:07] | mkrufky: | i have a test repository with code from some guy i forgot his name |
| [17:47:14] | mkrufky: | and nobody ever contributed |
| [17:47:40] | GreyFoxx: | so what exactly is it? a PCI card? their site doesn't make that clear |
| [17:47:56] | Led-Hed: | Sucks that Only Cable/Sat Co. DVR's work with encrypted HD. |
| [17:48:09] | mkrufky: | looks like usb to me |
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| [17:48:17] | Led-Hed: | GreyFoxx, which the r5000 or the FloppyDTV |
| [17:48:19] | mkrufky: | looks like it fits into a PCIe slot, with no pcie leads |
| [17:48:28] | mkrufky: | and i see the internal usb connector |
| [17:48:31] | mkrufky: | what a waste of a pcie slot |
| [17:48:39] | Led-Hed: | the FloppyDTV runs on a 3.5" Floppy. |
| [17:48:40] | mkrufky: | (floppydtv) |
| [17:48:42] | Led-Hed: | ;) |
| [17:49:02] | mkrufky: | no, the photo on that page shows a pci / pcie slot bracket |
| [17:49:09] | mkrufky: | and no floppy ide connector |
| [17:49:21] | Led-Hed: | ya, but there are no leads. I think it transfers via FireWire |
| [17:49:33] | mkrufky: | exactly! |
| [17:49:38] | mkrufky: | its the same thing as firedtv |
| [17:49:51] | mkrufky: | if anybody wants to work on the driver, here is the starting point: |
| [17:50:07] | mkrufky: | http://linuxtv.org/hg/~mkrufky/firedtv/ |
| [17:50:09] | Led-Hed: | but their site has windows drivers. Whats with that? |
| [17:50:12] | mkrufky: | i will never work on this one |
| [17:51:40] | Led-Hed: | I dont understand why they dont make a PCI to CableCard adapter. |
| [17:51:56] | Led-Hed: | seems like it would be a good solution |
| [17:52:40] | mkrufky: | they wont do it, because it defeats the purpose of cablecard |
| [17:52:51] | mkrufky: | as much as i would like to see that happen, i doubt it ever will |
| [17:53:22] | mkrufky: | as per the spec of cablecard, the content must be protected along its entire path, up to and including the display device |
| [17:53:23] | mkrufky: | ... |
| [17:53:25] | mkrufky: | that means....... |
| [17:53:40] | mkrufky: | if it gets recorded, it must be recorded in its original state, encrypted |
| [17:53:47] | mkrufky: | only to be decrypted during playback |
| [17:53:57] | mkrufky: | you must never have access to the unencrypted stream |
| [17:53:58] | mkrufky: | now.... |
| [17:54:07] | Led-Hed: | ya, use soft decrypter |
| [17:54:16] | mkrufky: | once a cablecard pci reader is on the market, that would mean that you can break all those rules |
| [17:54:37] | mkrufky: | softdecrypter — thats what id love to see.... you write one, and tons of people will be happy |
| [17:54:41] | mkrufky: | except — its taboo |
| [17:54:45] | mkrufky: | we cant talk about it here |
| [17:54:51] | mkrufky: | and i, personally, cant be involved |
| [17:54:54] | mkrufky: | so... good luck :-( |
| [17:55:12] | Led-Hed: | well I couldnt write it anyway. I lack the IQ for that sort of thing |
| [17:55:19] | mkrufky: | :-( :-( |
| [17:55:28] | mkrufky: | ok, i gotta go to lunch.... be backl in a few hours |
| [17:55:35] | Led-Hed: | later |
| [17:55:38] | mkrufky: | thanks for those links! :-) |
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| [17:55:42] | Led-Hed: | np |
| [17:57:58] | fiXXXerMet: | wtf |
| [17:58:11] | Led-Hed: | fiXXXerMet, What? |
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| [18:18:19] | justinh: | hmmm. I thought "oo I know, GBPVR is 'free' (as in beer) I'll have a look at their licence to glean some hints". well, apparently now it's GPL |
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| [18:18:49] | justinh: | or not |
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| [18:21:49] | jheizer: | Ha, though you might have finally found a license you liked |
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| [18:31:46] | Outlier: | Has anyone here had problems getting mdadm to start arrays at boot? |
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| [18:32:42] | ** justinh finds one 500GB HDD is enough for storing mythtv recordings ** | |
| [18:33:16] | Outlier: | Probably so, but for jukeboxing your DVD's, more is better. |
| [18:33:44] | justinh: | well, I'm possibly a weirdo in that respect. I don't own any DVD I've ever felt the need to watch more than twice |
| [18:34:05] | justinh: | (at most) |
| [18:34:29] | Outlier: | Well, to each his own. I have kids, so repeat viewing is pretty common. |
| [18:35:02] | justinh: | I hope when I have kids they don't feel the need to live on a diet of repetition but anyway.. ;) |
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| [18:35:35] | Outlier: | They will. They like familiar things – stories, shows, foods, you name it. |
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| [18:35:58] | justinh: | "eeeee when I was a lad, you had to sit down in front of the telly at the right time.. none of this picking what you wanted to watch... eeeeeee by gum!" |
| [18:36:03] | jheizer: | and thaat way they won;t kill the disks |
| [18:36:40] | Outlier: | Exactly – My interest in Myth started about the 3rd time I had to purchase Little Bear. |
| [18:36:48] | jheizer: | hehe |
| [18:37:15] | justinh: | how their little brains don't rot is beyond me. workmates tell me of them having to re-buy Disney DVDs time & time again |
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| [18:38:30] | kslater: | what makes you think their brains aren't rotting? |
| [18:38:35] | kslater: | :-) |
| [18:38:55] | Outlier: | You know, to drag this even further off topic, I've had so many problems with our new home's wiring, etc. that we haven't had regular TV service set up for several months. I thought it was interesting that nobody asked for it to be set up until just recently. |
| [18:41:40] | Outlier: | But anyway, does anyone know why mdadm would fail to start at boot? I can manually assemble the array no problem. |
| [18:42:33] | jheizer: | Not sure myself. Only used raid once and only for a few weeks. |
| [18:42:40] | justinh: | maybe a service or device mdadm depends on isn't ready for it in the init sequence |
| [18:42:58] | justinh: | that's usually a good reason why services fail to start etc |
| [18:44:02] | Outlier: | Maybe that's it – I think I did answer yes to starting it early in the boot sequence when I installed mdadm. |
| [18:44:46] | justinh: | check the system log etc – see what (if anything) it's saying |
| [18:44:56] | jduggan: | ur initrd fubarred? |
| [18:45:00] | jduggan: | check dmesg |
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| [18:49:13] | Outlier: | odd. It looks like it tried to start with just 2 of the 4 disks somewhere around 17 and 33 in the boot sequence, then finally got going at around 315 – probably when I manually started it. |
| [18:53:20] | Outlier: | OK – so the raid is messing up early. In dmesg, I see md: md1 stopped around 8.892 in the sequence. Problem is, there is no /dev/md1 just /dev/md0 which it tries to get going 10 sec later. |
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| [19:33:32] | iamlindoro_: | Ugh, freenode is acting crazy the last day or so |
| [19:34:34] | jduggan: | didnt see the global? |
| [19:34:40] | iamlindoro_: | Naw, I guess I didn't |
| [19:34:50] | jduggan: | DoS attacks |
| [19:35:00] | iamlindoro_: | Oh, makes sense |
| [19:35:04] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, didn't catch that |
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| [19:38:33] | gbee: | NOTICE from LoRez (i=lorez@freenode/staff/lorez): [Global Notice] I apologize for the trip through splitsville the past couple of days. Apparently we've annoyed a kiddie and he doesn't have anything better to do than packet a few of our servers. We're working with our sponsors to block the traffic. |
| [19:38:51] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [19:39:19] | iamlindoro_: | Dunno how I missed that. Probably someone who couldn't get lirc working. |
| [19:39:22] | amrit: | hah |
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| [19:41:57] | tcpsyn__: | iamlindor, hey I got the turtle beach card a few minutes ago |
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| [19:47:15] | marenz: | how long does a run of "tv_grab_de_prisma --days 1" normally take? its running since 25minutes ... and progress is like 0% but i can see the data comming via wireshark |
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| [20:04:46] | clever[rev]: | backing up to r14799 has fixed my odd bitrate problem |
| [20:04:56] | clever[rev]: | rebuilding 800 now to see if it comes back |
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| [20:18:53] | tcpsyn: | iamlindoro, anything you remember about it? I can't find where to unmute spdif. |
| [20:20:03] | annulus__ is now known as annulus_ | |
| [20:20:05] | tcpsyn: | I can see my reciever light up dolby digital or dts when I play an ac3 recording.. but no sound. |
| [20:20:20] | iamlindoro_: | tcpsyn, hey |
| [20:20:49] | iamlindoro_: | Nope, for me it mostly just worked... You looked at your amixer settings yet? |
| [20:20:53] | tcpsyn: | yeah. |
| [20:21:06] | iamlindoro_: | Should just be a matter of unmuting IEC958 |
| [20:21:20] | tcpsyn: | the problem is.. there is no iec958 |
| [20:21:29] | tcpsyn: | but I'm using alsamixer.. not amixer |
| [20:21:48] | iamlindoro_: | Really??? It should be the last one alllll the way on the right. It was for me, anyway |
| [20:21:59] | tcpsyn: | no, it's not there at all. |
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| [20:22:18] | iamlindoro_: | That's really weird. I don't know what's up with that. What's the distro? |
| [20:22:45] | tcpsyn: | gutsy |
| [20:23:11] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, that's totally strange, I installed it on my folks gutsy system, no problems whatsoever, was set properly by default |
| [20:23:15] | tcpsyn: | I get PCM Capt, Mic, Auto Gain, Speaker, and Speaker. |
| [20:23:36] | iamlindoro_: | I just don't know |
| [20:23:39] | tcpsyn: | IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output |
| [20:23:45] | tcpsyn: | but, I get that with aplay -L |
| [20:23:49] | tcpsyn: | althouh.. |
| [20:23:54] | iamlindoro_: | so just do a: |
| [20:24:01] | tcpsyn: | it says null: Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) |
| [20:24:05] | iamlindoro_: | amixer set 'IEC958',0 'Playback' 'on' |
| [20:24:13] | iamlindoro_: | perhaps |
| [20:24:24] | tcpsyn: | amixer: Unable to find simple control 'IEC958',0 |
| [20:24:24] | iamlindoro_: | at least, give that a shot |
| [20:24:31] | iamlindoro_: | Huh. |
| [20:24:58] | tcpsyn: | freakin weird |
| [20:26:07] | iamlindoro_: | Any chance you're sturggling with multiple audio devices? ie, that one versus an onboard? |
| [20:26:19] | iamlindoro_: | er struggling |
| [20:26:36] | tcpsyn: | I disabled the onboard |
| [20:26:59] | iamlindoro_: | hmmmm, Just wondering whether it is thingking it is card 1 |
| [20:27:01] | floppyears: | why was mythburn let go ? |
| [20:27:09] | iamlindoro_: | want to try: amixer set 'IEC958',1 'Playback' 'on' |
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| [20:27:19] | tcpsyn: | no love |
| [20:27:22] | iamlindoro_: | dang |
| [20:27:27] | tcpsyn: | amixer doesn't show a IEC958 device at all |
| [20:28:32] | tcpsyn: | there are times when I hate linux. |
| [20:28:43] | tcpsyn: | no matter how much research you do before you buy. |
| [20:28:56] | iamlindoro_: | argh, I wish I had access to my folk's box right now, I could get you more info |
| [20:29:01] | justinh: | no IEC958 switches eh? |
| [20:29:13] | justinh: | what does aplay -l say? |
| [20:29:23] | tcpsyn: | card 0: Audio [USB Audio], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 1/1 |
| [20:29:41] | tcpsyn: | but aplay -L gives: iec958:CARD=Audio,DEV=0 USB Audio, USB Audio IEC958 (S/PDIF) Digital Audio Output |
| [20:29:53] | tcpsyn: | Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) |
| [20:30:09] | iamlindoro_: | that's what my (working) card gives also |
| [20:30:13] | justinh: | tcpsyn: if the receiver is detecting the stream but nothing's coming out – that'd say to me that it's not an alsa problem as such |
| [20:30:34] | justinh: | if there was really _nothing_ being output it wouldn't lock |
| [20:30:49] | tcpsyn: | that's why I thought it would be muted |
| [20:30:59] | iamlindoro_: | tcpsyn, what about a mplayer filename -ac hwac3 ? |
| [20:31:14] | tcpsyn: | oh. looks like a kernel bug |
| [20:31:17] | iamlindoro_: | a file with ac3, that is |
| [20:31:24] | justinh: | floppyears: mythburn was let go in favour of a nice UI driven plugin. pity we're still waiting for one :P |
| [20:31:40] | gbee: | hehe |
| [20:32:24] | ** justinh has decided once & for all – if you can't beat the bastards, join em. sticking with the CC licence for glass-wide & I just _hope_ nobody abuses my work & I find out about it ** | |
| [20:32:47] | tcpsyn: | justinh, I'm raping your work as we speak. |
| [20:33:02] | justinh: | there are plenty other things I can get mad about |
| [20:33:39] | floppyears: | justinh: yeah, I was reading about mythburn last night, and it sounded a lot nicer than the current mytharchive |
| [20:33:52] | justinh: | watch out for a new theme featuring the Tango icon set. it's got blootube's menu bar, albeit without the colour |
| [20:34:33] | floppyears: | justinh: cool |
| [20:34:36] | justinh: | floppyears: thing was it didn't work any better in my experience |
| [20:34:54] | justinh: | floppyears: it's not mine, and I won't be giving my opinion of it in a logged channel |
| [20:35:11] | tcpsyn: | this is frustrating |
| [20:35:12] | floppyears: | yeah, I don't like this channel is logged :( |
| [20:35:16] | justinh: | but to see somebody else pick up the theming crayons is encouraging |
| [20:35:59] | tcpsyn: | I can see the damn red light |
| [20:36:00] | justinh: | and it'll be the first new 4:3 theme in oooo _years_ ! |
| [20:36:16] | tcpsyn: | you just swore you weren't doing 4:3 themes anymore |
| [20:36:27] | justinh: | when did I say _I_ was doing it? |
| [20:36:41] | tcpsyn: | oh |
| [20:36:42] | tcpsyn: | right |
| [20:37:08] | tcpsyn: | It works. |
| [20:37:09] | tcpsyn: | hrm. |
| [20:37:10] | tcpsyn: | wierd |
| [20:37:27] | justinh: | tcpsyn: in my experience with digital audio in linux, if your receiver gets a lock & identifies the type of signal, your problem ain't with alsa |
| [20:37:44] | tcpsyn: | yeah, it must just be with myth |
| [20:37:58] | justinh: | I've never got myth to output digital audio |
| [20:37:59] | tcpsyn: | because just playing to USB Audio works fine. |
| [20:38:06] | iamlindoro_: | hurmmmm |
| [20:38:07] | tcpsyn: | That's not promissing |
| [20:38:20] | iamlindoro_: | Any chance you just have your /dev set wrong in general? |
| [20:38:29] | tcpsyn: | me? |
| [20:38:30] | iamlindoro_: | yeah |
| [20:38:35] | iamlindoro_: | for the audio device |
| [20:38:36] | tcpsyn: | theres always a chance |
| [20:38:37] | justinh: | I've tried loads of times & almost ended up blowing my speakers with high pitched squeals |
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| [20:39:00] | justinh: | configuring digital audio could be much easier |
| [20:39:12] | iamlindoro_: | aaaaaaaaaand there we go again :) |
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| [20:39:20] | justinh: | !trout pesky packet flooding kiddie |
| [20:39:20] | ** MythLogBot slaps pesky with a packet flooding kiddie trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
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| [20:39:50] | iamlindoro_: | that was an interesting result |
| [20:39:57] | justinh: | just round him up, put him in a field, and bomb the... ;) |
| [20:40:25] | iamlindoro_: | Wonder what happens if you encase it in quotes |
| [20:40:38] | iamlindoro_: | !trout "pesky packet flooding kiddie" |
| [20:40:38] | ** MythLogBot slaps "pesky with a packet flooding kiddie" trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... ** | |
| [20:40:40] | tcpsyn: | AudioOutput Error: Unable to set ALSA parameters |
| [20:40:44] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [20:40:46] | iamlindoro_: | that didn't help |
| [20:41:30] | justinh: | floppyears: anyway, you know the channel is logged partly to help users – to save them asking the same questions over & over & over again :P |
| [20:41:30] | tcpsyn: | hah |
| [20:41:31] | tcpsyn: | Got it |
| [20:41:34] | tcpsyn: | Nice. |
| [20:41:37] | tcpsyn: | except. |
| [20:41:43] | iamlindoro_: | hahaha, when has THAT ever happened |
| [20:41:57] | tcpsyn: | mixer_applet is pegging the cpu |
| [20:42:21] | iamlindoro_: | shouldn't need that, though, no? Should be safe to kill the applet |
| [20:42:22] | floppyears: | justinh: could you give me your opinion on mythburn in a pm? |
| [20:42:22] | tcpsyn: | but. unrelated. all good |
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| [20:42:54] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [20:43:01] | justinh: | floppyears: mythburn was fine for a webpage based script, but whatever it used to transcode tended to choke on my recordings every time, and it took a _long_ time to get that far |
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| [20:43:22] | justinh: | mytharchive is pretty much the same, chokes less but it's harder to use IMHO |
| [20:43:38] | BULLE: | mytharchive never manages to use my cutlists, i always end up with no audio after the first cut |
| [20:43:45] | tcpsyn: | AC3 plays back all choppy though. |
| [20:43:49] | tcpsyn: | But I'm getting there |
| [20:43:50] | floppyears: | ah |
| [20:44:13] | justinh: | mytharchive is _way_ easier to install than mythburn ever was though |
| [20:44:30] | floppyears: | thanks |
| [20:44:38] | iamlindoro_: | tcpsyn, at least it means *I'm* off the hook, hehe |
| [20:44:39] | justinh: | not so much for knoppmyth users though eh? ;) |
| [20:44:57] | tcpsyn: | iamlindor, it means I don't have to kill your family |
| [20:45:06] | tcpsyn: | because I was about to get my BTK on. |
| [20:45:09] | ** iamlindoro_ 's family breathes a sigh of relief ** | |
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| [20:45:43] | ** justinh imagines he's soon gonna be on some kind of hitlist, for being a 'freedom' hater ** | |
| [20:45:48] | iamlindoro_: | although, had you killed my family, you would have ended up with a working gutsy box w/ USB optical audio |
| [20:46:06] | tcpsyn: | yeah. |
| [20:46:09] | tcpsyn: | either way |
| [20:46:13] | tcpsyn: | so.. |
| [20:46:19] | justinh: | well, working til he upgrades, eh iamlindoro_ ;) |
| [20:46:48] | tcpsyn: | goes nuts buffering. |
| [20:46:56] | iamlindoro_: | Upgrades to Ubuntu 8.04 "Don't look directly at me or I'll crash" Whooping Crane? |
| [20:48:21] | Andycasss: | Is there a way to make my gamepad act as a keyboard/remote on mythtv? |
| [20:48:29] | tcpsyn: | I don't see why not. |
| [20:48:51] | iamlindoro_: | Should just be able to map those buttons to keyboard keys, it's just a HID device |
| [20:49:26] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, that was redundant redundant |
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| [20:51:05] | GreyFoxx: | AndyCap_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Joystick_Control |
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| [20:52:17] | Huijari: | hi, can i use mythvideo to play videos from my backend machine on any frontend machine? |
| [20:52:30] | floppyears: | Huijari: yes |
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| [20:52:44] | floppyears: | you should be able to just like you can play recorded videos |
| [20:53:07] | Huijari: | well then, should i install mythvideo to the backend or the frontend machine? |
| [20:53:28] | floppyears: | frontend |
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| [20:53:36] | floppyears: | but I have it installed in all my machines |
| [20:53:39] | Huijari: | okay, thank you :) |
| [20:54:21] | justinh: | Huijari: one point to note – mythvideo will not stream video from the backend. video files have to be 'local' to the frontend playing them |
| [20:54:55] | justinh: | NFS works well for that. oh and it helps a lot if you mount the share to the same location on all machines |
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| [21:04:03] | Andycasss: | The jscalibrator program doesnt seem to allow me to change the mappings of the buttons – for example i want button 1 to simulate arrow down etc... |
| [21:06:29] | Huijari: | justinh: ah, okay, i was hoping that mythvideo could stream the media |
| [21:06:45] | Huijari: | but what about similar case with mythdvd? |
| [21:07:02] | justinh: | nope |
| [21:07:08] | Huijari: | darn |
| [21:07:17] | justinh: | just set up an NFS share |
| [21:07:26] | justinh: | it's not difficult |
| [21:07:32] | Huijari: | yeah, i guess i'll have to |
| [21:07:41] | justinh: | certainly not hard compared to making mythtv worky in the first place |
| [21:07:49] | Huijari: | :D |
| [21:08:03] | Huijari: | yeah, that was quite tricky |
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| [21:09:55] | iamlindoro_: | So, justinh, you were bemoaning nobody contributing their scripts the other day... I have a new 720p x.264/AAC script that determines length of file, calculates a bitrate, and does a two-pass encode, as well as sets a thread variable for users with multiple processors... if I wanted to post that somewhere, where would the best spot be? |
| [21:10:51] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: first stop, the wiki – then maybe attach it to a ticket at svn.mythtv.org |
| [21:11:01] | justinh: | if it makes the grade it could make it in |
| [21:11:40] | justinh: | course, it might depend what the script depends on & what it's written in |
| [21:12:17] | iamlindoro_: | Just a bash script, relies on ffmpeg and mplayer/mencoder |
| [21:13:00] | justinh: | how do you find out the filename? |
| [21:13:19] | iamlindoro_: | as a user job w/ %FILE% |
| [21:13:46] | justinh: | ah shat that reminds me I need to look at my portable device export script at some point :-\ or _somebody_ does ;) |
| [21:14:35] | justinh: | actually as it turns out I could've just used %FILE% for my script in the first place |
| [21:14:39] | iamlindoro_: | ie, syntax is scriptname %DIR%/%FILE% "%TITLE%" "%SUBTITLE%" and output is x.264/AAC as "Title – Subtitle.mp4" |
| [21:15:18] | justinh: | wow. makes mine look really convoluted – which it is I guess :P |
| [21:15:37] | iamlindoro_: | Hahaha, you haven't seen mine yet, bitrate calculation is *ugly* |
| [21:15:39] | iamlindoro_: | but it works. |
| [21:15:55] | justinh: | now if somebody could take the premise of all these little scripties & roll them into a 'mythexport' plugin... |
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| [21:16:26] | justinh: | hell even if it was just a selector UI that called a bunch of scripts hidden away... |
| [21:16:49] | justinh: | oh bugger. I almost talked myself into writing a plugin called mythexport there |
| [21:17:07] | iamlindoro_: | hahahaha |
| [21:17:19] | justinh: | not that I could.. yet |
| [21:17:50] | justinh: | start building my new frontend on Sunday/monday.. well what I _hope_ can be a new frontend |
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| [21:18:39] | justinh: | basically can't perform much worse than my crappy epia 10k |
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| [21:19:57] | kormoc: | justinh, or basically convert nuvexport into mythexport |
| [21:20:11] | justinh: | aye or that |
| [21:20:26] | justinh: | keep forgetting about nuvexport (oops!) |
| [21:23:23] | iamlindoro_: | This is my script, want to do a bit more tweaking before I post it anywhere, but it appears to work well and I think all audio sync issue have finally been banished: http://www.pastebin.ca/766414 |
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| [21:23:32] | iamlindoro_: | She's ugly, but she's mine. :) |
| [21:24:21] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so what does it do differently then nuvexport? |
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| [21:26:08] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc, I couldn't tell you, I've never used nuvexport. :) I just wanted to be able to set high quality x.264 options and AAC settings and don't know how granular nuvexport allows one to be... Heck, I may have reinvented the wheel, but oh well :) |
| [21:27:14] | iamlindoro_: | Plus, wanted it to use -threads option, dunno if nuvexport uses that either. Again, maybe reinvented the whell |
| [21:27:31] | iamlindoro_: | er wheel |
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| [21:31:05] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, looking at NUVexport, looks like it basically does the same thing (and probably much less kludgy) and would just need a 720p setting to do the same. Ah well |
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| [21:36:23] | Andycasss: | Tried using the joystickmenurc file in the ~.mythtv folder, i cant still use my gamepad |
| [21:36:50] | black_Nightmare_: | dumb question anyhow but I presume soundblaster support doesn't really matter for videos and the so? |
| [21:36:52] | black_Nightmare_: | ^_^ |
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| [21:40:43] | black_Nightmare_: | (like is it just for games alone or what) |
| [21:41:41] | ** kormoc blinks at black_Nightmare_ ** | |
| [21:43:06] | gbee: | black_Nightmare_: you are referring to the extended capabilities of something like the EMU101 chip which allow reverb type effects in games? |
| [21:43:38] | ** gbee realises that he's got the chipset name wrong there, but can't think what it should be ** | |
| [21:43:49] | iamlindoro_: | 10k maybe? |
| [21:43:51] | iamlindoro_: | Emu10k |
| [21:44:42] | gbee: | looks more like it :) |
| [21:44:57] | iamlindoro_: | you were only one off :) |
| [21:45:01] | iamlindoro_: | cloe enough |
| [21:45:03] | Andycasss: | How to make sudo work under mythtv account/group? |
| [21:45:04] | iamlindoro_: | er close |
| [21:45:12] | iamlindoro_: | add mythtv to admin in /etc/group |
| [21:45:13] | Andycasss: | When i go to terminal it just display the $ |
| [21:45:25] | Andycasss: | Sorry, how to do that? |
| [21:45:35] | Andycasss: | gedit the file? |
| [21:45:37] | iamlindoro_: | log in as a user that DOES have sudo access, sudo nano /etc/group |
| [21:45:46] | gbee: | doubt it's supported in linux, but to answer the question it's not relevant for video and AFAIK soundblaster sound cards work fine for stereo and 5.1 surround in linux |
| [21:45:46] | Andycasss: | okay :) |
| [21:46:11] | iamlindoro_: | find the line that says admin and put ,mythtv at the end |
| [21:46:42] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, keep in mind, that's distro dependent |
| [21:48:08] | iamlindoro_: | tru that, andy, what distro? |
| [21:49:21] | black_Nightmare_: | gbee...well I was wondering about non-soundblaster cards (like eg the GuS, adlib, etc to start with) |
| [21:49:36] | black_Nightmare_: | hence why the question in first place ;) |
| [21:49:41] | iamlindoro_: | an old adlib won't work |
| [21:49:48] | iamlindoro_: | lord, wouldn't even know where to find one |
| [21:50:08] | iamlindoro_: | Any *modern* sound card will work fine though |
| [21:51:25] | black_Nightmare_: | the only one little issue is...only the isa slot is free so... meh :p |
| [21:51:46] | iamlindoro_: | so get an actual sound blaster and you'll be fine |
| [21:52:13] | iamlindoro_: | black_nightmare_, heh, you are funny, every time you are in you are trying to figure out whether some ancient piece of equipment I haven't haerd of since high school will work |
| [21:52:14] | iamlindoro_: | hahah |
| [21:52:16] | gbee: | as far as Mythtv goes, if it works under linux then it will work with mythtv. Most modern cards work with linux and a fair few old ones do too. Having said that, although they work, Alsa the linux soundcard driver and system is a steaming pile of **** |
| [21:52:28] | iamlindoro_: | Are you writing an article about how to run myth on an 8086? |
| [21:52:43] | black_Nightmare_: | well this one is getting a bit too limiting (especially with sample sometimes) and the experiences of awe32's online doesn't look so good at all so I'm just going to have to go with a non-creative card anyway |
| [21:53:03] | black_Nightmare_: | samples* |
| [21:54:45] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, tomorrow you will ask us what Vesa local bus video cards work well in myth ;) |
| [21:54:46] | gbee: | you can still buy ISA cards? Didn't think they would even be available on the second hand market anymore |
| [21:55:37] | black_Nightmare_: | gbee...there's still a lot of them about .. one of the local recycler still has one voodoo2 (was two about 2–3 months ago) card sitting on their large '$5 cards' rack |
| [21:55:56] | black_Nightmare_: | ^-^ |
| [21:56:09] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro.... vesa...now thats just a bit too vintage for me meh :p |
| [21:56:23] | gbee: | heh |
| [21:56:24] | iamlindoro_: | ./configure --enable-8086-proc-opts --enable-Roland-MT32 --enable-Hercules-mode --prefix=/on/my/10MB/drive/ |
| [21:56:33] | Andycasss: | lindoro, i got the mythtv as admin, but i cant still use sudo |
| [21:56:35] | iamlindoro_: | make |
| [21:56:45] | Andycasss: | It asks me for pass, and i havent set one for it |
| [21:56:56] | iamlindoro_: | your mythtv user has no password? |
| [21:57:46] | black_Nightmare_: | I'll want at least one or more pci slots unless the system in question was just for 'to poke around with for fun, may give away at some random point anyhow' with dos or any easy os |
| [21:57:50] | black_Nightmare_: | know what I mean? ^_^ |
| [21:58:11] | Andycasss: | yes, lindro it doesnt |
| [21:58:19] | iamlindoro_: | then you'll have to set one |
| [21:58:20] | Andycasss: | And when i leave the sudo pass blank it doesnt accept it |
| [21:58:27] | Andycasss: | How do i set it? |
| [21:58:37] | iamlindoro_: | sudo passwd mythtv |
| [21:58:41] | iamlindoro_: | from an account that can |
| [21:58:47] | iamlindoro_: | er may need to sudo su |
| [21:58:50] | iamlindoro_: | passwd mythtv |
| [21:59:02] | gbee: | lol |
| [21:59:39] | gbee: | just passwd while logged in as that user ought to work |
| [22:00:01] | iamlindoro_: | or that |
| [22:00:08] | iamlindoro_: | haha, I'm thinking a little too circuitously here |
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| [22:02:24] | black_Nightmare_: | gbee....what amuses me the most is how there are WAY too many isa nic cards from just almost anyone like why can't they ever think to just send these to be environmentally recycled rather than keep trying to stuff them off onto other people? |
| [22:02:34] | black_Nightmare_: | meh *shakes head* |
| [22:04:39] | kormoc: | my sound blaster live 16 bit card works fine |
| [22:04:58] | kormoc: | tho that's a little after the awe32 |
| [22:05:06] | gbee: | there are a ridiculous number of second hand nics in circulation, companies will upgrade their networks or go bust and dump thousands of them onto the market |
| [22:05:08] | black_Nightmare_: | kormoc..the problem for me is the card seem to have a hardware limit on Hz sampling |
| [22:05:32] | black_Nightmare_: | so hence I'm looking into having to go with a non-creative one to get the sampling I'll need...unless I'm mistakened |
| [22:05:41] | black_Nightmare_: | gbee...heh...yeah that figured |
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| [22:06:04] | kormoc: | you can always use alsa's dmix to resample on the cpu side to what the card wants/needs |
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| [22:06:37] | karlpinc: | Does the backend need schedules before you can watch live tv on the frontend? I've the backend and frontend on different boxes and although the backend knows what channels exist (from scanning) when I go to watch live tv on the frontend I get something with no channels (and no tv.) |
| [22:06:52] | kormoc: | no it doesn't |
| [22:08:12] | karlpinc: | kormoc: Then I've something broken. :( Maybe I'll try watching a dvd. I can't get X to do DRI on the backend so the framerates suck. I guess the first step is to get _something_ to show on the frontend. |
| [22:08:25] | floppyears: | I have 2 frontend & backend machines |
| [22:08:35] | floppyears: | the 2nd machine has 1 software based encoder |
| [22:08:39] | black_Nightmare_: | well I've already tried it before and I don't like how the card is limiting the sampling regardingly so to our own |
| [22:08:44] | floppyears: | when I watch livetv on that 2nd machine it uses the local tuner |
| [22:09:05] | floppyears: | can I specify or force it to use the tuners in the 1st machine for "watching live tv" ? |
| [22:10:04] | djbeenie: | anyone one know when they are going to fix mythweather? |
| [22:10:39] | black_Nightmare_: | gbee do you have any nic card yourself? |
| [22:11:18] | gbee: | sure, no ISA ones though :) |
| [22:11:41] | kormoc: | djbeenie, check the mythweather-revamp branch |
| [22:11:43] | black_Nightmare_: | mine's pci I think anyhow |
| [22:11:43] | gbee: | don't keep old components around for more than a year |
| [22:12:08] | black_Nightmare_: | realtek one .. probably a bit old but I like it for the sole fact that just any real os would actually load this card on their own with no question asked :p |
| [22:12:19] | gbee: | ok, so that's a lie, I've got a draw full of old stuff which I've been trying to find a use for ... |
| [22:12:58] | black_Nightmare_: | heh you in north america I hope gbee? :p |
| [22:13:04] | gbee: | think all my current nics are Netgear, the FX310/311s |
| [22:13:09] | gbee: | black_Nightmare_: England |
| [22:13:29] | black_Nightmare_: | england as in usa or britan? |
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| [22:13:56] | RichW: | I have two screens connected via dvi.. I cant get the frontend to appear on my second screen, I have tried mythfrontend -display :1 which I have no luck with but :0 appears on my first screen. |
| [22:14:09] | djbeenie: | can anyone help me setup mythgames...where am I supposed to drop my roms for the emulator to work? |
| [22:14:24] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: uh, England is England, its not usa |
| [22:14:28] | gbee: | England as in the original, England |
| [22:14:35] | black_Nightmare_: | gbee..heh ok just checking |
| [22:15:17] | black_Nightmare_: | there's England in northeast usa (I can't recall much more details, just a bit from these north america railroad magazines I often read) so I just had to check |
| [22:15:24] | gbee: | Britain, United Kingdoms are fictional places that only exist on maps or on goverment buildings |
| [22:15:44] | iamlindoro_: | djbeenie, mythgame isn't an emulator, it's just a frontend to run your own emus |
| [22:16:12] | iamlindoro_: | and, like all the other stuff in "media", you can put them wherever you set it up to look for them |
| [22:16:38] | iamlindoro_: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Game Settings->Player settings |
| [22:16:41] | iamlindoro_: | I think |
| [22:16:51] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro, ahh ok ill check it out thanks |
| [22:16:54] | iamlindoro_: | and you set up a "player" (emu command line and rom dir) for each emu |
| [22:17:31] | iamlindoro_: | Look at the wiki, it's all spelled out step my step there |
| [22:17:35] | iamlindoro_: | er by |
| [22:17:59] | mkrufky: | RichW: did you try :0.1 ? |
| [22:18:20] | RichW: | mythfrontend.real: cannot connect to X server :0.1 |
| [22:18:24] | black_Nightmare_: | gbee..heh well...if there wasn't the ocean inbetween both of us I could have had asked about that 'draw full of old stuff' :P |
| [22:18:25] | mkrufky: | (not that it would work... but it should, in a perfect world) |
| [22:18:27] | black_Nightmare_: | hehe |
| [22:18:31] | mkrufky: | :-( |
| [22:18:33] | RichW: | Should I be using TwinView or Seperate X displays? |
| [22:18:37] | gbee: | :D |
| [22:18:41] | RichW: | what do you guys use? |
| [22:19:01] | RichW: | or does either work? |
| [22:19:30] | mkrufky: | my mythfrontend is a dedicated box hooked to my hdtv in the livingroom... ALL of my other machines have multiple screens... never tried it on a mythfrontend box, sorry |
| [22:19:52] | mkrufky: | but twinview mighht be a good idea if you're running the nvidia binary anyway |
| [22:19:55] | kormoc: | RichW, I used seperate X displays |
| [22:20:14] | RichW: | I am using nvidia binary |
| [22:20:49] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro, gawd..i had a power outage today while at work..now my lircd will not start lol |
| [22:22:13] | iamlindoro_: | Hrm... There's bound to be SOME output on trying to start it, that would be the place to begin |
| [22:22:33] | black_Nightmare_: | gbee...just as a note anyhow...my one pc I'm still keeping around is agp/pci/pci-isa/isa expansion slots ^_^ |
| [22:22:53] | black_Nightmare_: | nothing onboard..unless you just want to count these two usb ports next to the ps/2 |
| [22:23:40] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro, yeah im about to check my /var logs while starting it |
| [22:24:19] | RichW: | il go test seperate displays and come back if need more help :) |
| [22:24:54] | black_Nightmare_: | not sure I can be bothered with trying to find a larger motherboard (I looked into the idea once but the two local used places never get much in way of good boards so far yet) so well yeah lets just leave it as this ^_^ heh |
| [22:25:13] | RichW: | Would xinerama interfere with mythtv? |
| [22:28:55] | djbeenie: | iamlindoro, im getting this now could not get file information for /dev/lircd/0 |
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| [22:29:21] | Ryushin: | Has anyone used mythrename.pl having it run during a transcode. I seem to be loosing recordings when mythrename.pl has run. |
| [22:32:57] | jayemef: | any idea why pcm would get muted when changing channels? |
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| [22:39:37] | black_Nightmare_: | gbee/iamlindoro .. either of you heard of orangemicro or not really? |
| [22:39:38] | black_Nightmare_: | just wondering |
| [22:44:32] | gbee: | not me |
| [22:46:13] | black_Nightmare_: | heh thanks anyhow |
| [22:46:37] | black_Nightmare_: | orangemicro had two particular unusual pci cards although with being out of business for at least 2 years now already it can be a bit hard to find these |
| [22:47:04] | black_Nightmare_: | one's ultra2wide scsi & firewire400 combo .. other is firewire400 & 10/100 nic combo |
| [22:47:28] | black_Nightmare_: | like you thought who would had thought up of making cards like that? |
| [22:47:34] | black_Nightmare_: | (not your usual usb+fw combos that is) |
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| [23:05:18] | black_Nightmare_: | I have to kinda admit that I would have had liked either card but meh ... doesn't really matter :P |
| [23:05:18] | black_Nightmare_: | firewire and ethernet in one could free up the second pci slot for hmm who knows ;) |
| [23:05:18] | iamlindoro_: | I know orange micro from the firewire cards, but only obscurely |
| [23:05:18] | iamlindoro_: | It's been a while... I think/seem to remember them being really big when firewire was just catching on |
| [23:05:18] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well they had some firewire800 items before they went under |
| [23:05:18] | black_Nightmare_: | and there's the funny eye-looking-alike thing they called ibot .. which was basically a ball shaped firewire cam on what looked like metal legs :-P |
| [23:05:18] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, sounds familiar, I don't think I ever had any of their stuff though |
| [23:05:18] | black_Nightmare_: | me neither |
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| [23:05:18] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro... |
| [23:05:18] | black_Nightmare_: | if you don't mind me asking..whats your hardware? |
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| [23:05:20] | iamlindoro_: | Master backend is a Quad core Q6600, 4 Gb RAM, 2TB LVM for mythvideo, 500 GB for recordings, Nvidia 7600. Slave backend is a Core 2 2.4 Ghz, 2 GB RAM, 500 GB for recordings. |
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| [23:05:20] | iamlindoro_: | My first backend was a bunch of junk... I've gone more and more overboard each time I've rebuild my system, heh |
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| [23:21:44] | iamlindoro_: | ugh, this week's Heroes was *37 Minutes* without commercials. How can anyone be expected to watch 23 minutes worth of commercials?? |
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