Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, November 7th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

tjcarter: you can't schedule recordings in front row

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tjcarter:

I'm tired of fecking around with Qt3.

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tjcarter:

it's a pile of shit.

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justinh:

tjcarter: qt4 ftw!!!

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Dibblah:

So? Feck around with QT4, then.

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tjcarter:

Dibblah: I don't speak C++

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tjcarter:

I used to speak a sane version of C++

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Dibblah:

... Well, okay, then.

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tjcarter:

but then Bjarne decided to change the language

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justinh:

with enough of a big push, lots of begging etc, I'm sure the ui port & qt4 goodness could be ready for 0.22

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justinh:

tjcarter: well if mythfrontend ends up being python, I'm dropping it like a stone

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tjcarter:

haha

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justinh:

we'll end up with legions of shite plugins, all with nasty interfaces

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tjcarter:

I'd rather see Myth migrate to a protocol that won't change at the drop of a hat. =)

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justinh:

so get involved!

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BULLE:

justinh: just dont install the shite plugins then

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justinh:

you can't sit there on the sidelines cackling

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Dibblah:

Of course you can. But it's not as entertaining as digging in code.

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justinh:

as for XBMC, it doesn't matter how crashy a feature is when the box takes mere seconds to reboot

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tjcarter:

I think there's kind of a divide on the upnp av thing

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tjcarter:

and it cannot itself replace mythfrontend

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tjcarter:

(although upnp av + mysql can)

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tjcarter:

so that's what I'm pushing for now

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justinh:

if only upnp were a proper standard...

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Dibblah:

Mysql may go eventually.

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justinh:

mythtv needs YOU ! (and you, btw)

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Dibblah:

If the big ugly query can be replaced / squeezed into another database.

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Dibblah:

(embedded one)

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tjcarter:

Dibblah: there's nothing standardized that can replace it currently

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** BULLE would help if you guys could just convert all of mythtv into java, as i know java, but not c++ **

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tjcarter:

heh

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justinh:

roflmao

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Dibblah:

BULLE: If you know one language, you should at least be able to read the other.

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justinh:

yeh then you'll only need a 4Ghz dual core CPU to bring up the EPG

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tjcarter:

BULLE: COMPILED Java with native widgets and we'll talk.

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tjcarter:

Dibblah: I can't read Qt source ;)

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justinh:

bollocks

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BULLE:

tjcarter: sadly, so far, the compiled java runs slower then on the standard sun hotspot with jit

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mzb_d800:

ben2: set your master backend correctly on the new box?

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BULLE:

Dibblah: ye, i can read c++

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justinh:

I can't code either, but it hasn't stopped me chipping in with tiny little bits

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tjcarter:

BULLE: speed's not the issue

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BULLE:

Dibblah: its mainly all the linking madness, and stuff that makes me go crying everytime i look at c++

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tjcarter:

BULLE: it's not having Java break on you ;)

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BULLE:

tjcarter: then just compile the java code with gcj

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Dibblah:

Ignore linking.

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justinh:

just TRY ffs

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justinh:

the compiler does all the linking etc

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BULLE:

justinh: are we talking c++ or java here ?

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justinh:

there's plenty that can be done without having a totally intimate knowledge of C++ or qt

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BULLE:

actualy,i like QT

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BULLE:

it takes away lots of the realy nastyness of c++

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mzb_d800:

like a frontend theme editor? :)

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Dibblah:

... Better off without an intimate knowledge of QT.

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justinh:

hell even just little things like changing bits of the xml parser

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BULLE:

eg, it makes c++ more javalike

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justinh:

mzb_d800: another thing that'll make me jump ship

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

put you out of a hobby(?) ?

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justinh:

the world doesn't need no stinking Britney mythtv themes

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BULLE:

justinh: yes i do need Brittney Spears theme!

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tjcarter:

anyway, I gotta go to class

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tjcarter:

back in 3.5 hours =p

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mzb_d800:

some ppl might like the choice, but completely lack the skills ... sound to me like a theme editor would be a nice feature to have

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justinh:

I thought about making an adult theme a while back but stumbled upon the thought that there's not a lot of stuff compatible with the GPL or similar licences :P

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Dibblah:

You already did.

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Dibblah:

... I remember that 'contraversial' screenshot ;)

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justinh:

oh yeah – adult as in themes for grownups :)

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venger:

xvid users, what tool are using to complete your encoding tasks? i'd like to compress some of my dvd rips to free up hd space. running debian sid here.

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justinh:

venger: ffmpeg, mencoder

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justinh:

on the command line!

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justinh:

muhahaha

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venger:

justinh, cool i was just reading about mplayers mencoder

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mzb_d800:

venger: custom job for xvid?

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justinh:

just do what I did & buy a much bigger HDD, or think about the fact you're not really likely to want to watch some lame film for the 15th time on the spur of the moment

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justinh:

you file squirrels are all the same :P

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Dibblah:

Anyway. Bedtime :)

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mzb_d800:

justinh: seems like not everybody has your budget

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justinh:

what budget?

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justinh:

hell my new cpu cost me Â£3.20

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justinh:

not a bad price for a 2ghz celery mobile ;)

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mzb_d800:

oops, wrong button(s) ;)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: 2ghz celery mobile chip for 6 of your Earth Dollars

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justinh:

that's MY budget

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mzb_d800:

for a dedicated machine?

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justinh:

if I wasn't skint I wouldn't have a donate button on my site

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justinh:

for the FE which is likely to replace the Epia PoS I currently use

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mzb_d800:

nuvexport-xvid --mencoder --use_cutlist --nice 19 --input="$1"

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mzb_d800:

know the feeling re donations

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mzb_d800:

my point remains that some *need* to compress

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justinh:

the whole thing is gonna come in way under $200 Earth dollars too, minus case & DVD drive but I already have them

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justinh:

they 'need' to stash less away :P

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mzb_d800:

:) probably true

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mzb_d800:

hard habit to break

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clever:

got a pair of backtraces now in http://www.clever.mine.nu:82/mythpaste/

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justinh:

clever: using port 82 to get away from script kiddies – really a good idea advertising it in a logged channel ? :P

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mzb_d800:

venger: ^^ re xvid

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clever:

justinh: im using 82 because 80 and 81 are allready in use

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clever:

justinh: im running apache on 3 diff boxes

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justinh:

you need a better DNS setup ;)

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justinh:

not that I know much about that

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clever:

im stuck with 1 ip

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clever:

enless i have a master box proxying based on the hostname in the GET req i cant easily do it all on 1 port

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justinh:

ah yeah

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mzb_d800:

I had a 2.4G celeron (D?) "donated" recently (had been squashed in case)

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mzb_d800:

I've repaired the pins, but really don't have the budget to find a board for it

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clever:

justinh: and that would also open a posible http proxy which would lead to open proxy glines on irc

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justinh:

I coulda gone for a core2 duo mobile for under 100 pounds but I couldn't justify it

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justinh:

but, in difference to my other systems, this one has some upgrade headroom (yay)

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clever:

justinh: the backtraces are identical execpt for the adress space randomization

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justinh:

it's still gonna knock spots off my desktop box though

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mzb_d800:

I do have two other boxes that are faster, but they're already in use ... can't justify expense on mythtv (yet) ... possibly until I convince the Financial Advisor (g/f) that something better is required

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clever:

i have a 2.9ghz cpu in my winblows box

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clever:

and it performs worse then my 50mhz laptop sometimes

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directhex:

there's no production 2.9ghz cpu

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** clever looks **

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clever:

2.93ghz

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** clever uploads **

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directhex:

there are a couple of those

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justinh:

mrs justinh is already on board with the new frontend plan :)

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justinh:

though encouragingly she did excitedly say "wooo MAC MINI?!"

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clever:

directhex: http://clever.mine.nu/download/cpu.jpg

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justinh:

like I'm made of money or something ;)

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justinh:

mini has to wait til we have a HD display

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directhex:

clever, just because you name it .jpg, doesn't make it so

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clever:

directhex: either your wrong or winblows is wrong in that window...

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clever:

but winblows has been wrong before:P

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justinh:

really? ;)

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directhex:

"winblows" isn't exactly a mature thing to say

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clever:

it aint that good of an os:P

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directhex:

and i don't see how i was wrong. there are no production 2.9ghz cpus. 2.93 there are a few

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clever:

2.9 and 2.93 are nearly the same(i was just rounding it off)

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directhex:

the core2 x6800, the pentium 4 516, the celeron d 340, 340j and 341

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clever:

says celeron D on the sticker on the front

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clever:

everything is onboard

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DapOrp2:

how do I get out of mythtv so I can change the theme it's using?

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DapOrp2:

i'm stuck apparently.

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DapOrp2:

oh wait.

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clever:

DapOrp2: you can change the theme from within mythfrontend

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justinh:

DapOrp2: stuck in an old version of minimalist-wide eh?

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DapOrp2:

i was supposed to run it through mythfrontend.. right.

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DapOrp2:

i just typed mythtv. hehe. oops.

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justinh:

I thought I backported that fix

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mzb_d800:

so what's a reasonable mobo for a mythbox that can do sata+ddr for a celeron D?

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clever:

ahh

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mzb_d800:

(*cheap*)

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clever:

this pc is a rebuilt system(cheap)

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clever:

it bluescreened some at first and a memtest showed bad ram

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directhex:

mzb_d800, ddr1?

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mzb_d800:

yes

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justinh:

you'll be lucky

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clever:

i moved the ram to another slot and it went away(and didnt come back on the 1st slot)

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directhex:

mzb_d800, something that works, or the real cheapest of the cheap?

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mzb_d800:

I wouldn't have thought that celeronD would support ddr2

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mzb_d800:

err, either

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directhex:

mzb_d800, of course it supports ddr2. ddr1 will be a problem

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justinh:

512MB for my backend now costs more than 1GB for the new FE

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mzb_d800:

ah ok, I must confess almost complete ignorance of (fairly) recent intel stuff

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directhex:

mzb_d800, recent is ddr3

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mzb_d800:

perhaps I'm showing my age then? ;)

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directhex:

i don't think there's any intel chipset that will do ddr1 and pentium-d

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justinh:

directhex: how much you pay for the ram for your aopen board?

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directhex:

there's a few implementations of a via chipset

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mzb_d800:

ok s/ddr1/ddr2/

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directhex:

mzb_d800, get the cheapest i945 board you can find

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directhex:

justinh, the aopen board is old hat. sold that box a while ago

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justinh:

found some at my local for under 20 squids. not bad for 1GB pc5300 so-dimm

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mzb_d800:

ok, thx

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justinh:

directhex: the aopen board you recommended me?

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justinh:

thought it was what you were using for your current box. but nevermind :)

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justinh:

or have I just been embarrassingly confuzzled?

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directhex:

justinh, my current box uses an asus board i'm happy to disrecommend to all & sundry

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mzb_d800:

perhaps something like: http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew. . . . mp;sid=26355

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directhex:

justinh, my previous box used an older aopen board, the i855 one

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venger:

mzb_d800, sorr i had stepped afk, about your question custom job. no just since i'm new to encoding i wanted to get an idea of easy method of doing a full encode with minimal commands

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directhex:

mzb_d800, something like that, yes

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justinh:

directhex: ahh. this un should do the trick I think. if not, sell for profit :)

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mzb_d800:

venger: that's as simple as it gets, s/$1/filename.nuv/

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directhex:

step 1: steal underpants

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directhex:

it's well past bed o'clock.

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venger:

mzb_d800, no idea what your sed command means in that context and i'm not familar with .nuv files although i've see reference of it

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

nuvexport-xvid --help

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venger:

ill check it out, thanks

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justinh:

gbee: much changed in mythweather since LRL in the summer? planning on doing the -wide ui.xml for it soonish

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justinh:

ah bugger. my portable video exporter script is brokened

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mzb_d800:

hmm, ddr1 and ddr2 on the same board: http://www.digitan.com.au/product.php?product . . . 9&page=1

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ali1234:

under mythdora, how can i restore the xorg.conf to that which was created by the installer, without an internet connection, and without having a backup?

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mzb_d800:

use a psychic?

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** justinh hands ali1234 some pixie dust **

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ali1234:

lame

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mzb_d800:

rerun the installer?

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ali1234:

i tried that. it tried to download some rpms then failed

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justinh:

mount the CD, find the original maybe?

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mzb_d800:

I reckon the "original" would probably only be a template for the real thing

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mzb_d800:

but ymmv

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justinh:

they might know in #mythdora, if such a magical place exists

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mzb_d800:

#*dora ;)

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ali1234:

of course myth was working fine with the original conf. i can only assume it had some magic keywords or something... Option "DontCrashWhenMythLoads" "1"

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ali1234:

now the only way i can make myth load up is to use the nv driver

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... having problems rebuilding a seek table:

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mzb_d800:

1st run, error was: Invalid seektable (frametype -20)

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mzb_d800:

cleared cutlist ... went to edit recording ... seems to have seek problems

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mzb_d800:

2nd run: error was: Invalid seektable (frametype -68)

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mzb_d800:

same seek problem while editing

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ali1234:

well, time to waste another 2 hrs wiping and reinstalling...

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mzb_d800:

ali1234: reinstall nvidia drivers

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mzb_d800:

(when nv is working)

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mzb_d800:

... you didn't mention anything about that before ... shame

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mzb_d800:

lol ... finally found why mythfilldatabase wasn't running ... "/usr/bin/mythfilldatabase" vs "/usr/local/bin/m..." ... *sigh*

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iamlindoro_:

What's the working directory for myth user jobs?

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iamlindoro_:

or perhaps that varies

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tcpsyn:

holy crap

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tcpsyn:

svn rocks

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tcpsyn:

I got a huge hd performance boost

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro_: not sure ... I actually use a common script for all jobs, and just change the parameter for each (gives me more control)

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mzb_d800:

eg: job2 = "Convert XViD" : my_mythconvert XVID "%FILE%"

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iamlindoro_:

mzb, yeah, I use variations on the same script, but there's muxing going on and I want to be sure where those component files are going before I do anything like "rm *.264" :)

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iamlindoro_:

To automate their removal, that is

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iamlindoro_:

one presumes that the dir is /tmp, just wondered if anyone knew before I went looking myself

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mzb_d800:

so in your custom script, can't you determine the working dir manually?

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mzb_d800:

doubt it, I only have 248MB in /tmp

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iamlindoro_:

I could, just have it mostly where I want it and don't want the headache... gonna do it the hacky way for now

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mzb_d800:

errr... mind you ... my transcodes don't run on that host ...

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iamlindoro_:

Ah well, I'll just run 'er through myth and find out

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bsdfox__:

anyone got a mythtranscode command line for x264?

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mzb_d800:

but same free on transcoding host (SBE w/o tuner)

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iamlindoro_:

bdsfox, not mythtranscode, but I have various scripts for 720p and 540p x.264 transcodes that I use as user jobs

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iamlindoro_:

So will mythtranscode even to a h.264 transcode yet?

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iamlindoro_:

er even do

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mchou:

Wow, there is a new episode of House on tonight

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mchou:

I was worried about the writers' strike

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mchou:

hopefully the episode isn't lame.....

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mchou:

Whew, just read there wer 11 scripts in the can

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mchou:

were*

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mchou:

that means 11 or so quality episodes left

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cout:

sigh. It's so annoying how commercials are twice as loud as the rest of the program. too bad I don't have the processing power for commflag.

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bsdfox__:

iamlindoro_: could I get your scripts?

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tcpsyn:

mchou, yeah, I wouldn't think that would affect us much this year

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iamlindoro_:

bsdfox__, sure, msg me your e-mail and I will send them to you when I get home tonight

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mchou:

tcpsyn_: what do you mean?? it's already affecting "Tonight Show"

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mchou:

tcpsyn_: reruns

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tcpsyn:

well yeah

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tcpsyn:

live shows

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tcpsyn:

but the actual real shows... are already filmed.

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tcpsyn:

I would hope

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mchou:

Colbert report, also Jon Stewart

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tcpsyn:

yeah, the stupid stuff.

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mchou:

dude, Jon Stewart is NOT stupid

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tcpsyn:

pft.

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mchou:

it's better than most network news channels

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mchou:

I say that in all seriousness

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tcpsyn:

I'm not arguing that.

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mchou:

'deconstructing "journalism"'

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tcpsyn:

Obviously shows that revolve around current events will be cancelled.

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tcpsyn:

or. affected rather.

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tcpsyn:

Lucky for me, I don't care about them.

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tcpsyn:

I just don't want them to mess with House, 24, Prison Break, or Criminal Minds.

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mchou:

tcpsyn_: it will catch up to you

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tcpsyn:

Hopefully it'll work out by then

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mchou:

lol, '24' should lose the writers as far as I'm concerned

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mchou:

went downhill LONG time ago

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mchou:

not to mention their depiction of torture is highly offensive

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mchou:

and insult anyone with any intelligence

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mchou:

I suspect even House is going downhill this season

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RyeBrye:

Anyone know how to look at DDC information and figure out what's going on with a TV?

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RyeBrye:

I have a dump of the DDC from my Sony – it claims to be 1080p, but I think that's bullshit

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mchou:

it's been a disappointing 4–5 episodes so far this season

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RyeBrye:

http://pastebin.ca/764327

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mchou:

RyeBrye: wow

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RyeBrye:

Check out what it's sending out over the HDMI – DVI link

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RyeBrye:

The resolutions it claims to support in the electronics don't seem to match the stickers on the front...

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RyeBrye:

Horizontal Frequency range 15–50Khz vertical frequency range 58–62 Hz ?

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RyeBrye:

I'm not very well read on the HDTV stuff, but my MacBook Pro only wants to spit out 1080i to it via DVI – (it is only seeing 1080i as the highest supported output setting)

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RyeBrye:

I'm going to try with a different machine to see what's up

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tcpsyn:

hrm. Wonder why my netflix rss feeds aren't updating.

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tcpsyn:

my personal stuff is fine

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tcpsyn:

but the public top 100 and stuff is like 4 months old

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clever:

http://192.168.1.60:6544/ isnt loading anymore after i upgraded mythbackend

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clever:

firefox is just sitting there for what seems like too long

[03:00:28]

clever:

mythweb also just loads forever

[03:00:34]

clever:

upgrade seems to have killed everything

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clever:

it also appears to be ignoring the recording thats starting right now

[03:03:06]

clever:

latest svn wont even build

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clever:

bitstream.c:72: error: 'ENABLE_SMALL' undeclared (first use in this function)

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clever:

it just started the recording late

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clever:

2mins late

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clever:

(build error might be caused by a lack of configuring)

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clever:

odd things are responding now

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clever:

could just be major startup lag

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

could somebody help me with my mytharchive problems ?

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floppyears:

http://pastebin.com/d43c7bbc3

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floppyears:

that's my mythburn.log

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rooaus:

clever: Are you up to date? I thought that the ENABLE_SMALL error was fixed in r14801.

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clever:

i think im at 809

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clever:

but i forgot to re ./configure after svn update

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clever:

didnt notice the config script getting changed

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clever:

was probly using the config from 799

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rooaus:

you need a distclean I think, r14800 was a ffmpeg resync.

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clever:

i avoid clean at all costs

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clever:

takes several hours to undo

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floppyears:

anybody ?

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clever:

still rebuilding on 3 systems...

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clever:

4th isnt free atm

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floppyears:

I'm running mythtv from svn

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floppyears:

can I update the mytharchive plugin without having to update the whole mythtv codebase & recompiling ?

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clever:

depends on if the ABI for plugins changed between your 2 versions

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floppyears:

abi ?

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clever:

the interface between the mythfrontend and the plugins

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floppyears:

ah

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clever:

if that changes the plugins wont be compatible

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clever:

and youll either have to fix the plugin or upgrade the frontend also

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clever:

and youll probly have to upgrade the backend and everything else too

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floppyears:

according to svn st my version is : 14355

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floppyears:

yeah, that's why I'm trying to avoid doing that kind of update :( not fun

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clever:

im doing a upgrade of all my boxes atm

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clever:

i do it every few weeks

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clever:

or when i see a fix for a problem i have

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floppyears:

ah

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clever:

what id like to do is to be able to share the binary's between a few boxes

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clever:

so i dont have to rebuild 4 source tree's at once

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floppyears:

how much time does it usually take you to do that ?

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clever:

depends on which box

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clever:

the media system is so low on ram it nearly takes an hour for just 1 cpp file(2–3 of them are massive and the rest are avg)

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floppyears:

wow

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clever:

some of them are sharing cpu with distcc

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clever:

but with such a large file distcc times out causing it to also build localy causing everything to snowball

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clever:

also distcc doesnt help if all boxes are rebuilding there private tree and have nothing to share

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clever:

also im currently running 6.06 7.04 7.04 and 7.10 so id expect problems trying to share binarys between most of them

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clever:

(ubuntu release versions)

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floppyears:

sounds like a lot of headaches

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clever:

and the 7.10 is still running the 7.04 kernel(dist-upgrade but no reboot yet)

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floppyears:

may god have mercy on you

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floppyears:

:)

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clever:

lol:)

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clever:

i can probly upgrade more 7.04's to 7.10

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clever:

the media's 7.04->7.10 was alot of work by itself

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clever:

it wanted 400mb free to upgrade

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clever:

i finaly get that much then it wants 700

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clever:

had to rip out xorg and gdm and half of gnome

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clever:

without shuting those down

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clever:

to get the free space:P

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clever:

ive since reinstalled them after the upgrade but havent restarted much

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mchou:

clever: huh??

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clever:

i uninstalled a number of packages while they where in use

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clever:

then did a dist-upgrade and put them back

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mchou:

clever: that's not a real problem

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clever:

so half the binarys in ram are from 7.04 and the ones on disk are 7.10

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mchou:

they aren't deleted while in use

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

the filename is deleted but not the data

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clever:

enless you try mythtv's make install

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mchou:

open files are not deleted :)

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clever:

which overwrites the data(causing a bus error)

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clever:

mythtv uses cp which truncates the open file and copys in

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clever:

causing mythtv to crash horibly

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mchou:

huh??

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clever:

do a make install while myth is running

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clever:

it will crash

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mchou:

cp afaik doesnt truncate open files

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clever:

strace it

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mchou:

it might overwrite files which arent open

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mchou:

which would make much more sense as to what you're seeing

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clever:

on my end it allways seems to truncate on open

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clever:

i modified qmake's system files to the cp cmd calls cp --delete-destination

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clever:

which effectively does what install seems to do

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mchou:

anyway, it's just best you get that all sorted out

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clever:

yeah

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mchou:

stop messing with the junk when it's open

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clever:

a reboot will fix the 7.10 box

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clever:

which isnt realy 'broken'

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clever:

the reason i want to make install without crashing

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clever:

is because make install takes several mins

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clever:

i want to install over the old then do a fast restart of myth

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clever:

not kill myth............start myth

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mchou:

sigh.....

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mchou:

really pisses me off

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clever:

dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\t${Status}\n'|grep installed|sort -n|tail -n20

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clever:

was also usefull

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clever:

(list installed packaged sorted by size)

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

what a travesty

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clever:

it may be horid but it works

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mchou:

awk is your friend

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clever:

yet to learn that

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mchou:

there is nothing to learn there :)

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clever:

lol

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mchou:

no, I'm serious

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mchou:

if you know sed/grep you know awk

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clever:

|awk 'show last 20 lines sorted by 1st column containing "installed"'

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clever:

?

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clever:

:P

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clever:

and ive rarely used sed also:P

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mchou:

not much to it

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clever:

and i dont use many of the advanced parts of grep

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mchou:

anyways, awk is a necessary tool in the arsenal

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xris:

mchou: perl works just fine for a lot of us. :)

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clever:

i learned and then forgot all my perl

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clever:

then learned php

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mchou:

who needs to install all that perl crap? :)

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mchou:

CPAN is just a waste :)

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xris:

perl is default (and usually required) in most distros these days

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clever:

my cmd above doesnt need perl or php

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clever:

xris: yeah ive noticed that in a few of my systems

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mchou:

xris: just because it's installed doesnt mean it's not bloatware

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xris:

getting that way with python, too

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xris:

mchou: perl's plenty fast... and perl != cpan

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mchou:

xris: now, nut you almost need all the CPAN crap to do "useful" stuff with perl

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mchou:

s/nut/not

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xris:

huh? since when

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mchou:

gah!

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xris:

most "useful stuff " with perl (esp. if you're comparing to sed/awk) is built in

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xris:

heck, I've even seen most people running sed in "perl mode"

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mchou:

lol. that's a travesty

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xris:

wait, I'm backwards.. it's using perl in sed mode

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clever:

lol

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xris:

they all have a place

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mchou:

mixed form regular expressions must be real fun to debug

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mchou:

especially extended regex with backreferences

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clever:

now you know why regex makes my head hurt:P

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xris:

kormoc says that to me a lot

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xris:

I've never had much trouble with regex

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xris:

but then again, I love perl. heh

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clever:

i was using perl on a free site

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clever:

but they deleted my act and all my files when i was in the midle of edit/upload/test/repeat

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clever:

without any warning/reason

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clever:

then i didnt use it for a while and forgot it all

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xris:

hard to say that if you use php.. they're so close

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clever:

i learned php AND mysql on the same day

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clever:

enough to make a php script that read a tcp socket reformated it some and inserted it to mysql

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clever:

running php on my own server

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clever:

so instead of edit/upload/test/repeat it became save/test/repeat

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xris:

that's the only way to work. :)

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

editing the files right on the server

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clever:

i also can now kill inf loops in apache

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HReadren:

Anyone know if someone is working on fixing the nvidia 6150 xvmc problem in svn? It was mentioned on -users list a few days ago.

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tcpsyn:

I'm using a 6200

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tcpsyn:

and the latest trunk is working much smoother than the stable branch

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tcpsyn:

I'm not sure if what your talking about is specific to the 6150

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DapOrp2:

how do I configure mythweb's database login?

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HReadren:

I believe it was specific to the 6150.

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HReadren:

XvMC doesn't work at all. I think it was the -vid merge timeframe, but I'm not 100% sure.

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lupin_sansei:

hello, any Australian's online here?

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rooaus:

lupin_sansei: A few, yes.

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Agrajag-:

yup

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lupin_sansei:

Do you use the DVB EPG? All of a sudden ABC's stopped transmitting it it seems

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Agrajag-:

nah i don't, since it's so useless

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rooaus:

lupin_sansei: No I don't. They upgraded it to a few days of data didn't they?

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lupin_sansei:

Yes it's about 3–5 days (except it's stopped working)

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Agrajag-:

i just use the oztivo grabber, works fine for me

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rooaus:

What state you in? How long has it been down for?

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lupin_sansei:

WA. For the last 2 days

[04:52:40]

lupin_sansei:

I emailed ABC too, but no dice

[04:54:40]

lupin_sansei:

I tried the grabber about 18 months ago but it just through a lot of perl errors

[04:55:22]

rooaus:

I think they have different systems for each state... wonder if it is Aus wide?

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xris:

in the US, EIT is added at the local station affiliate level...

[05:10:43]

xris:

the affiliates pay some company to add the info to the stream

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xris:

it's part of the messed-up circle that is TMS.. station writes show descriptions, sells/gives/pays it to TMS, local affiliate hires some company to put EIT data into the stream, that company licenses the data from TMS.

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that's like a snake trying to swallow itself

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

so I'm trying to burn some recorded shows onto a dvd, but each 1hr episode uses up 2.2 gb

[05:27:23]

floppyears:

is it possible decrease the space that it uses and still make it compatible with most dvd players ?

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xris:

remove the commercials?

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rooaus:

floppyears: If you are using Mytharchive there is a quality option you can specify.

[05:39:27]

floppyears:

xris: I'm doing that already, but it still uses up a lot of space :(

[05:39:55]

xris:

floppyears: consider that the average 2-hour movie fits onto a 9G dbd

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xris:

dvd

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floppyears:

rooaus: how does changing that settting affect compatability with dvd players ?

[05:41:53]

floppyears:

that's, true. I guess I was comparing it to 700mb per hour ofdownloaded anime :(

[05:44:18]

adante:

say what sort of speeds do you folks normally achieve with commercial flagging for given cpu?

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clever:

chown: changing ownership of `/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/mv_filerequest.png': Operation not permitted

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clever:

chown: changing ownership of `/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/mm_waiting.png': Operation not permitted

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clever:

root@media:~#

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clever:

wtf?

[05:57:04]

clever:

AHHH there a symlink there for some weird reason

[05:57:34]

clever:

that may explain 90% of the problems ive had trying to change the prefix back to usr/local/

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floppyears:

hi guys

[06:29:02]

floppyears:

how much space should I have to burn dvds & create iso ?

[06:29:18]

iamlindoro_:

floppyears, you can burn a dvd with extremely marginal quality and still have it be compatible... the DVD spec is pretty broad, just don't go above 9.6 Mb max... there is no minimum bitrate in the spec and max is 9.6 Mbps

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floppyears:

thanks

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iamlindoro_:

And you only need as much space as it takes to create the ISO, and possibly once over again for the buffer

[06:30:10]

iamlindoro_:

you'll be plenty safe with 2x the amount you want to burn

[06:30:35]

floppyears:

mytharchive is hanging at: 0.68% done, estimate finish Tue Nov 6 22:08:50 2007

[06:30:41]

DapOrp2:

you can't be on the internet at the same time as burning!

[06:30:47]

floppyears:

that's the last thing on the log :(

[06:31:09]

iamlindoro_:

floppyears, is that with -v all?

[06:31:50]

floppyears:

I would guess not since I used the frontend to create the iso

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iamlindoro_:

I just meant run your frontend with -v all to get verbose log output so you can get better diagnostic info about what's going wrong

[06:32:58]

floppyears:

ah

[06:34:02]

bsdfox__:

anyone know how to remove commercial flags from files?

[06:34:14]

floppyears:

iamlindoro_: is there a way to figure out what was the command that failed so that I can run it again ?

[06:34:17]

iamlindoro_:

bsdfox, you mean to remove existing ones?

[06:34:23]

floppyears:

instead of having to build everything from the beginning ?

[06:34:30]

bsdfox__:

yeah

[06:34:36]

iamlindoro_:

I think I may have that, hang on

[06:35:07]

iamlindoro_:

mythcommflag --clearcutlist -f $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME

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bsdfox__:

that's just the cut list right?

[06:35:27]

iamlindoro_:

That *may* work

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iamlindoro_:

try it and see

[06:35:47]

bsdfox__:

I'm already running that in my script but it still prompts me to skip commercials in the middle of shows :\

[06:36:13]

bsdfox__:

are the commflags saved in the database or in the file themselves?

[06:37:20]

iamlindoro_:

in the db. Miught also be worth trying --rebuild and see if that does it

[06:38:11]

bsdfox__:

any idea where in the db? I poked around for a while but never found it

[06:38:15]

bsdfox__:

ok

[06:38:46]

iamlindoro_:

No, no idea... btw, I have that script on the way to you in 20 or so

[06:39:22]

iamlindoro_:

I made some changes to it and I wanted to run it through once to validate it... was making some improvements for A/V sync that I wanted to get done before I sent it to you

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bsdfox__:

cool, thanks

[06:42:38]

bsdfox__:

--rebuild still doesn't remove them btw

[06:44:24]

iamlindoro_:

ah, was worth a shot

[06:47:23]

iamlindoro_:

Wonder whether it would work to get "commflagged" to 0 in "recorded."

[06:47:27]

iamlindoro_:

er set

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bsdfox__:

already tried it, no effect

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floppyears:

quick question

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floppyears:

is it possible to watch a program while mytharchive is doing its thing or do I have to stare at the log window ?

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mzb_d800:

exit and come back any time

[06:52:06]

mzb_d800:

ie. yes

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mzb_d800:

I had a problem with commflag recently ... had commflagged but then lost seek table (prob crashe|restarted at just the wrong time) ... rebuild table and cleared cutlist but still had commflag points

[06:52:56]

mzb_d800:

hopefully it's not a problem now having since transcoded

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bsdfox__:

mzb_d800: I want to know how to clear comm flags too

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mzb_d800:

I was just trying to add my voice to yours :)

[06:53:45]

iamlindoro_:

Well, I guess theoretically if you did an edit and cut a tiny piece out with a lossless transcode, you'd have a new recording and therefore no commflag

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mzb_d800:

the only method I can think of is edit ... load commflags and manually delete points

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mzb_d800:

although I suspect that won't work ... as it's only loading the commflags into the cutlist (which you're then deleting) ... probably doesn't make sense

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floppyears:

thanks mzb_d800

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mzb_d800:

np

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rooaus:

bsdfox__: I just had a quick scan of the source, it seems the skiplist is held in the recordedmarkup table. And there doesn't seem to be an option to clear skip list as you said. Wouldn't be a big patch to add it though :)

[07:48:31]

tjcarter:

whoa

[07:48:44]

tjcarter:

in about 10 minutes, half of my channels no longer have data with SD

[07:48:46]

tjcarter:

what's up?

[07:49:32]

tjcarter:

Is this something others are seeing?

[07:49:39]

tjcarter:

or did I miss some memo?

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tjcarter:

ahh I see, the holes are for specifically tomorrow

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clever:

Dibblah: still there?

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Dibblah:

?

[07:57:22]

clever:

ive got another backtrace of my mythtranscode crashing

[07:57:25]

clever:

with debuging on i beleive

[07:57:42]

clever:

gdb is busy loading symbols atm...

[07:58:11]

clever:

easily got 5 core dumps laying arround now

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Dibblah:

Pastebin.

[07:58:36]

clever:

yep

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Dibblah:

All in the same calltree?

[07:59:28]

clever:

last 2(without debuging) where the exact same set of functions

[07:59:28]

clever:

with just the virtual addr differing a bit(vm randomization)

[08:00:28]

clever:

http://clever.mine.nu:82/mythpaste/11041.btfull.txt

[08:01:01]

clever:

(no mouse atm but i can easily mv into my wwwroot)

[08:02:52]

clever:

Dibblah: its 'uploaded':)

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Dibblah:

What's the recording from?

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[08:04:10]

clever:

mythbackend's output

[08:04:22]

clever:

several shows are causing mythtranscode to segfault

[08:04:23]

Dibblah:

And where was the crash (first line of GDB output, ish)

[08:04:32]

clever:

they play fine in mythfrontend

[08:04:34]

Dibblah:

... DVB / IVTV / ...

[08:04:52]

clever:

frame grabber

[08:05:01]

clever:

bt848 i think

[08:05:35]

tjcarter:

"An experiment gone awry unleashes a giant black hole that threatens to swallow the Midwest."

[08:05:44]

tjcarter:

yeah, so not even going to watch that.

[08:06:04]

tjcarter:

I have trouble suspending my disbelief that the writers, directors, cast, and crew are all MORONS.

[08:06:26]

clever:

Core was generated by `/usr/local/bin/mythtranscode -j 2048 -V 3 -p 29'.

[08:06:26]

clever:

Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.

[08:06:26]

clever:

#0 0x08068a37 in AudioReencod

[08:06:40]

clever:

(last line is start of paste i beleive)

[08:07:38]

clever:

i have i think 3 more dumps on a diff box

[08:08:02]

clever:

(which is more suspect because i installed mythtv from a build of a diff box)

[08:08:08]

tjcarter:

An alien (Michael York) resembling a wealthy middle-aged man..." We can stop right there. =D

[08:08:17]

Dibblah:

How long before it crashes out?

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clever:

Dibblah: allways at the same place

[08:08:47]

jeffery:

how do I get an updated channel listing ? running mythfilldatabase do it ?

[08:08:50]

clever:

the .tmp's it leaves laying arround are allways the same size(for that show)

[08:09:23]

clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 8.7M 2007-11–07 03:32 /media/mainlv/mythtv/1028_20071106120000.nuv.tmp

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clever:

it droped that and faulted

[08:09:43]

clever:

and if i restart it the output will probly be exactly the same

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clever:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 8.7M Nov 7 04:11 /media/mainlv/mythtv/1028_20071106120000.nuv.tmp

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clever:

exact same sized output from a second run

[08:11:53]

clever:

Dibblah: id say whatever is crashing it is at a fixed point within the input file

[08:12:05]

clever:

(ran '-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 8.7M Nov 7 04:11 /media/mainlv/mythtv/1028_20071106120000.nuv.tmp

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clever:

')

[08:12:13]

clever:

(damn \n in my paste)

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Dibblah:

I would suggest opening a ticket with the full backtrace (see gdb section in the documentation).

[08:12:34]

clever:

i can throw 5 traces up on my site and link to them

[08:12:48]

clever:

and i'll try to keep the shows that are causing the problem so i can keep reproducing it

[08:13:02]

Dibblah:

Also put a link to a download of the first 10Mb or so of the input file, if you can reproduce it with that.

[08:13:19]

Dibblah:

There's no need for multiple traces, I would guess.

[08:13:25]

clever:

the transcode tipicaly cuts my filesize in half

[08:13:35]

clever:

so 8mb of output would be arround 16mb of input

[08:15:21]

clever:

gdb mythtranscode --infile test.nuv --outfile output.nuv

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clever:

(test.nuv has the first 25mb)

[08:16:14]

clever:

recrashing with the small file

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clever:

Dibblah: Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception.

[08:17:24]

clever:

WTF?:S(new error)

[08:17:47]

clever:

(might be from using a diff encoding profile)

[08:19:09]

Dibblah:

Divide by zero, overflow,...

[08:19:22]

clever:

yeah but the odd thing is its a diff error

[08:19:48]

clever:

i suspect the diff encoding settings i hit by mistake run the 'bad' data thru diff code(which crashes diff)

[08:20:00]

Dibblah:

Remember – What you put on pastebin is *not* a full BT.

[08:20:08]

Dibblah:

See the docs as to how to generate one.

[08:20:18]

clever:

i cant get it to use the right transcoding profile yet

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Dibblah:

You only have one thread there.

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clever:

ahh yeah

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clever:

i dont know how to switch threads and bt them also

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Dibblah:

... Read the Myth documentation ;)

[08:24:46]

clever:

yep

[08:24:57]

clever:

tweaking the set args line to give the proper --infile stuff

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clever:

not shure why but its a diff error

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Dibblah:

Also, something to try is transcoding the recording with a newly installed DB.

[08:28:04]

Dibblah:

... See if it's a settings issue.

[08:28:38]

Dibblah:

Back up your real DB first, of course :)

[08:28:40]

clever:

i could create a new db within the same server

[08:28:52]

clever:

and use a diff mysql.txt(with a fully seperate name/pw

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Dibblah:

Yeah, whatever works :)

[08:29:31]

Dibblah:

Still, backing it up is a good plan anyway.

[08:29:45]

clever:

right now the mysql server and the actual data are on diff boxes

[08:29:56]

clever:

theP4 was the masterbe AND mysql

[08:30:01]

clever:

in the wrong timezone

[08:30:20]

clever:

i got tired of it and used a TZ wraper on mythtv but without fixing mysql it broke half the things:P

[08:30:41]

clever:

so i made the mysql server on the laptop access the data thru nfs

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bsdfox__:

rooaus: thanks I see them now.. seems like a stupid syntax to use a bunch of different rows for each flag

[08:31:18]

clever:

:S

[08:31:26]

clever:

Dibblah: its having the fpe error after 18kb of output

[08:31:30]

clever:

its not the same error as before

[08:32:00]

** clever throws /media/mainlv/mythtv/1028_20071106120000.nuv at it **

[08:33:23]

clever:

better now

[08:33:27]

clever:

1.9mb and counting...

[08:34:26]

clever:

finaly another segfault:D

[08:36:06]

clever:

the input must be too small...

[08:36:52]

clever:

trying with first 50mb

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clever:

even with 50mb it wont segfault

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clever:

Dibblah: is http://clever.mine.nu:82/mythpaste/transcodesegfault/ enough info?

[08:44:16]

tjcarter:

so what's this plutohome thing and is it another hack to hell of MythTV or something more sane and interesting?

[08:44:37]

clever:

ow, sneezed and hit my chin on my knee, biting down on my tougn:(

[08:46:04]

Dibblah:

Just stick the GDB backtrace as an attachment to the ticket.

[08:46:23]

clever:

its on a diff box then my browser atm

[08:46:52]

clever:

sticking the url in will show exactly how i produced it and give http access to the 900mb nuv if some1 wants to dl the first x mb(or all)

[08:47:16]

Dibblah:

Uhm... You just stuck it on a web site.

[08:47:28]

clever:

that site is running out of my mythfrontend

[08:47:29]

Dibblah:

So you can download it to the box you're on ;)

[08:47:55]

clever:

yeah i could but that wont fix the problem of no link to the source .nuv:P

[08:48:01]

Dibblah:

Seriously – Make it as easy as possible for anyone that *might* look at the ticket.

[08:48:07]

Dibblah:

And that means the BT.

[08:48:14]

clever:

'backtrace is also there(in gdb.txt)'

[08:48:23]

Dibblah:

Has to be easily accessible and visible.

[08:48:28]

clever:

i can attach it also

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Dibblah:

:)

[08:50:57]

clever:

the bt is from my laptop host

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clever:

ive also installed the laptop's binayrs on the media system(make install in the same tree)

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clever:

the laptop is 7.04 and the media is 7.10 but it seems to be running fine

[08:51:56]

clever:

(got tired of rebuilding 4 tree's at once)

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clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4143

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clever:

arg the formating tags damaged the url:(

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clever:

'fixed'(synlink with the formating to mask it)

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** clever goes back to the couch and waits a few hours for something to change **

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t0ny-p40:

Hows it going clever.

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clever:

t0ny-p40: good

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t0ny-p40:

you should vote for my photo :p http://www.jpgmag.com/photos/320477

[09:05:24]

t0ny-p40:

My mythtv still waits longer then it should to shutdown.

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clever:

cant click links

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t0ny-p40:

But it is working

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clever:

no mouse on the couch

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t0ny-p40:

lol

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t0ny-p40:

type it :P

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clever:

no graphic browser either

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clever:

nearly imposible to use without mouse

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t0ny-p40:

open it in lynxs

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t0ny-p40:

is lynxs right?

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clever:

then i wont see the image

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t0ny-p40:

I cant remeber....

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t0ny-p40:

lol

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t0ny-p40:

screw it, just use telnet.

[09:07:10]

t0ny-p40:

lol

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clever:

im in xterm

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clever:

managed to copy and paste your link using screen(to a vim window)

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clever:

i'll open it latter

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t0ny-p40:

ok

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t0ny-p40:

If you can vote for it ;p

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t0ny-p40:

I need to backup my photos again.

[09:09:02]

t0ny-p40:

I have 6,346 of them on my macbook pro

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t0ny-p40:

at they take up at least 2mb per photo.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i have about 2gig of manga on my system

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t0ny-p40:

err 1.3, and take up 20gb of hdd space

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t0ny-p40:

manga?

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clever:

whoa

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clever:

actualy 7gig

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clever:

basicaly its japanese comic books

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clever:

7gig of them

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t0ny-p40:

I shoot lots of photos, mostly of airplanes.

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clever:

i rarely leave the house

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t0ny-p40:

I should get in bed, I got a job tomorrow fixing a plasma tv :)

[09:11:07]

t0ny-p40:

Easy $50.

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clever:

im sleeping on the couch the last few nights

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clever:

not much diff(bed and couch have irc and myth)

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t0ny-p40:

I use my bed as a couch :P

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clever:

but i think the couch is softed then my bed

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clever:

i can feel half the springs in my bed

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clever:

but the couch has nothing but 4inchs of foam for the top layer

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t0ny-p40:

My bed is old too but I dont care.

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clever:

my bed was my parrents bed

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clever:

and my feet hang over the bottom half the time

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clever:

with the couch i can actualy put my feet and head up(on both arm rests)

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clever:

xterm on the tv and a keyboard on 20feet of extensions gives me irssi

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clever:

alt+tab gives mythtv

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clever:

dad doesnt want me sleeping on the couch because he thinks i'll make the couch stink

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mzb_d800:

or "crush" the cushions? :)

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t0ny-p40:

clever, do you stink?

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t0ny-p40:

I have a wireless keyboard :).

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t0ny-p40:

It goes about 10–15 feet :P

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mzb_d800:

I've got something that goes further than that .. and is voice operated! ;P

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t0ny-p40:

Is it a puppy?

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mzb_d800:

two-legged variety

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t0ny-p40:

wife/girl friend?

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mzb_d800:

yep ;)

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mzb_d800:

she's got to pay somehow ;)

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mzb_d800:

bbl ... time to finish this dvd-drive mod (*sigh*)

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t0ny-p40:

why you moding it?

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mzb_d800:

and mount comp back under the nether-regions of the house ... grrr

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

I bought it cheap on ebay

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mzb_d800:

had 2 probs

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mzb_d800:

(laptop drive for a SFF comp)

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t0ny-p40:

You can burn stuff with the lasers in most dvd drives :)

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mzb_d800:

1. tray locking mechanism was bent

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t0ny-p40:

Ok, I'm going to bed. I need to be wake up at 8am and its 2am :P

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mzb_d800:

2. top cover had been crushed, preventing eject (prob why the locking mechanism was stuffed)

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mzb_d800:

got it working .. just putting it all back together

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mzb_d800:

bbl

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t0ny-p40:

ok, night

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clever:

t0ny-p40: didnt notice the beeep

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clever:

and i havent showed in a few days:P

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ykotak:

Where I live, I don't have an EPG, I do have access to a site which give info of it, what can I do?

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ykotak:

As I was asking, I have access to an EPG online, its not XMLTV compliant, what should I do?

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hashbang:

ykotak: if there isn't an xmltv grabber already, I guess you'll have to write one.

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ykotak:

hashbang: How?

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hashbang:

ykotak: have a look at an existing one, compare the data it processes with the data your site provides.

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ykotak:

Okay, I'll try

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ykotak:

You mean, I will have to write a grabber?

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hashbang:

yup

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ykotak:

darn.. I've never written one

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hashbang:

no, neither have I. :-)

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hashbang:

alternatively, wait for someone else to write one

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ykotak:

:/

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hashbang:

ykotak: India, right?

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ykotak:

hashbang: Yes

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hashbang:

http://forum.byopvr.com/dvr/index.php/topic,2978.0.html # any use?

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ykotak:

checking

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hashbang:

or Windows MCE. :-(

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hashbang:

or move country. :-)

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ykotak:

lol

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hashbang:

http://xmltv.org/wiki/xmltvworlddomination.html

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hashbang:

http://xmltv.org/wiki/howtosubmitagrabber.html

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hashbang:

http://xmltv.org/wiki/howtowriteagrabber.html

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ykotak:

I guess I will have to write one

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hashbang:

ykotak: sorry there isn't an easier answer. :-)

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hashbang:

ykotak: you may find that if you mention it on the xmltv-devel list, someone else is prepared to help out

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ykotak:

yup

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hashbang:

ykotak: I suspect the worst part will be attempting to parse a web page that isn't created with machine parsing in mind, so there'll probably be all sorts of inconsistencies in the input that occur from time to time

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clever:

Dibblah: dangit found another file that segfaults the transcode(leaving a 900mb .tmp that cant auto expire)

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clever:

nearly overflowed my drive

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Dibblah:

I assume you've tried it with a defaults install?

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Dibblah:

It's odd that noone else is seeing issues.

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clever:

havent tried with a reset db yet

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clever:

but its only certain files

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clever:

if i dont retranscode the 'bad' file it wont segfault

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clever:

the only real problem its causing is i cant shrink those files

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clever:

and im down to 3gig free

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clever:

im truncating the .tmp's it leaves arround

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clever:

from the filename i can find the source that caused it to reproduce the errror later

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mzb_d800:

ahhhh!! ... "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP"

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mzb_d800:

grr ... all I did was decrease the RAM!

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mzb_d800:

hmphh

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mzb_d800:

"my-unique-identifier-goes-here" ... yeah right

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jeffery:

how do I get an updated channel listing ? running mythfilldatabase do it ?

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voltagex:

evnin lads

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voltagex:

mythbackend seems to be stumped on a job, it's queued with no change for many minutes now.

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sebrock:

Question on XMLTV grabber (using tv_swe_db) and getting error 256. This seems to be due to no more data. Is this OK with the backend? I read that it will try to get data until it fails?

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willg_:

Hello folks, I has a question.

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willg_:

I set up mythtv on a test system, I don't have a tuner card at the moment. I've got the dront and backend up and running, and am subscribed to schedules direct for their 7 day trial. I put in my user/pass in the backend setup, and it goes and looks for channel lineups, when I close up, it prompts me to run mythfilldatabase, which I do. The frontend status still says no guide data, check mythfill... and mythweb errors out saying that it can't

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willg_:

find any guide data when you do anything involving tv listings.

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mzb_d800:

willg_: I'm wrong country, but iirc, you have to go to sd and setup your lineup properly

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willg_:

mzb_d800: I currently have two lineups active in SD, one for digital cable, and one for analog. When I do the backend setup, the box below my username lists both of those in there. I wasn't sure if the guide data should work without a tuner card in my system. I was thinking it was something akin to how a TV will scan your channels when you hook it up.

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mzb_d800:

err .. yeah ... you've caught me at the stage where my neurones are spinning < 1rpm ... you need a tuner for mythfilldatabase to work (ie. it's got nothing to grab data for otherwise)

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mzb_d800:

(ie. it's > 1am here;)

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willg_:

Ah. that is what I suspected. 9 am here. I'm not exactly the sharpest tack in the box right now myself.

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willg_:

thank you for your help :D

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mzb_d800:

np

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seth|work:

does anyone know of an RF blaster?

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SiD3WiNDR:

hm, I think that's quite a bit harder than an IR blaster ;/

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seth|work:

well I have an irblaster, but my dish 522 receiver has one ir tuner, and 1 rf tuner, I am currently going through dish program guide and makrking shows to auto-tune the dish for me, and then of course the mythbox tunes internally for recording

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seth|work:

just seems a bit like a lot of extra work

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bradd:

is it recommended to compile against -lXvMC or -lXvMCNVIDIA?

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seth|work:

so i can record from the rf tuner, but then i have to set it up on both mythtv, and dish

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stuffcorpse:

hello, i'm having problems with my remote frontend. on the backend server itself i can watch videos and play music fine. now on my remote frontend i can connect to the mysql db on the backend but it cannot find any videos.

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stuffcorpse:

the first time i run the frontend, or when i remove .mythtv in my home, the videos do show up. but they cannot be played. if i go to video manager to scan it says those files cannot be found and wants to remove them. can anyone help me thanks

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justinh:

stuffcorpse: video, music & gallery plugins don't stream files. they need to be 'local' on all machines. share them over the network & mount them to the same path in all machines

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jduggan:

are there any plans to stream music and video?

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stuffcorpse:

oh ok.. so only radio streams stream?

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otwin:

recordings are streamed too

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stuffcorpse:

arent recordings videos too?

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GreyFoxx:

No treated the same as nonrecorded videos

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justinh:

ONLY live T V& recorded TV are streamed

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justinh:

everything else has to be a local file

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GreyFoxx:

mythvideo is aplugin to access filestores and playthem, mythtv accesses data via a backend which streams it to the frontned

[15:01:32]

bradd:

because when i compile against XvMCNVIDIA, mythfrontend causes the kernel to panic..

[15:01:36]

stuffcorpse:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

Though there are several different ways to get your videos to stream from machine to machine

[15:02:04]

stuffcorpse:

thanks for clearing this up. i thought there was some problem with my setup

[15:02:04]

GreyFoxx:

network mounts, upnp, you could technically import a video into the recordings list and mythbackend will stream it via the watch recordings screen

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justinh:

one day, if the video & audio plugins become upnp aware... ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I used upnp for a while just to test it for mythvideo plyback. Worked pretty well

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GreyFoxx:

But it's not built in to do that..... it would be sweet though

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stuffcorpse:

that would be great

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justinh:

that said it isn't difficult to set up NFS shares for all your machines

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GreyFoxx:

well, I can now get around my segfault problem. But that leaves me with 2 problems. why is that condition occurriong, and 2 the code that segfaults is still broken heh

[15:04:36]

justinh:

and at least with NFS you know the client will know how to talk to it

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stuffcorpse:

i had some problems with nfs before if the server is shutdown. the client get all crazy

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justinh:

NFS == NFS. upnp doesn't always work with pther upnp devices

[15:05:08]

GreyFoxx:

If you do it as a softmount it wont act so crazy, but can still have unexpected results

[15:05:13]

justinh:

upnp needs a kick up the arse IMHO

[15:05:33]

justinh:

so don't shut the server down :P

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stuffcorpse:

i'll try to jack my neighor's cable

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stuffcorpse:

too many things on all the time is pretty expensive for me

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justinh:

oops. so I might not be able to use mod_rewrite to redirect traffic from a 'cctv' dir to another machine from one box

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stuffcorpse:

ok, getting back to fixing other things now. cheers guys

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hashbang:

hiya – I've been using mythtv for a couple of years now, but I've never managed to get commflagging working

[15:15:03]

hashbang:

it doesn't even seem to try running mythcommflag on my recordings

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hashbang:

any tips?

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justinh:

two years?

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justinh:

pfft

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justinh:

long time no commflag

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justinh:

it doesn't fecking work in the uk anyway

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hashbang:

yeah, just never got round to it

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hashbang:

ah, right

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justinh:

maybe on 20% of shows, 20% of the time

[15:18:08]

hashbang:

justdave: even on DVB recordings?

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justinh:

esp. on dvb recordings

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hashbang:

hah!

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** hashbang scratches it from his upgrade to-do list **

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justinh:

my recordings off Sky One used to be almost flawlessly flagged

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DustyBin:

i compiled mythtv svn a good few months ago and now im thinking about using the latest svn, is there a quick way of doing it or would i just need to down all the source and compile it again

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justinh:

DustyBin: install ccache :)

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hashbang:

DustyBin: ATrpms has RPMs if you're using FC.

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DustyBin:

using debian etch

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hashbang:

yes, ccache rocks.

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** hashbang builds quite a few RPMs himself, and ccache prevents hairloss when getting the spec files just-so. **

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DustyBin:

what does this mean: "Once you have a checkout, you can just do a svn update at any time to update it to the most recent revision. "

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justinh:

exactly that

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DustyBin:

ccache?

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hashbang:

DustyBin: if you've got your old SVN source directory, you can just svn update, rather than svn co

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hashbang:

DustyBin: compiler cache

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justinh:

means that in the dir you download the svn checkout to, just run svn update & it'll grab only the changes since you did the last checkout

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hashbang:

DustyBin: saves recompiling things that haven't changed since the last time they were compiled.

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DustyBin:

thats exactly what i want!

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DustyBin:

so all i do is this: svn update http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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justinh:

DustyBin: only works on stuff you compiled since you installed ccache

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DustyBin:

dam i havent installed ccache :(

[15:21:12]

justinh:

DustyBin: no. cd to the dir you downloaded trunk of mythtv into & svn up

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DustyBin:

svn up http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv ?

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justinh:

NO

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justinh:

just cd into the dir you originally checked mythtv out into and do 'svn up'

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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justinh:

man svn

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justinh:

whee I need a reverse proxy. pity the box I'm trying to eke through is dead right now :-\

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DustyBin:

justinh: this is where i compiled it from before

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DustyBin:

/usr/local/src/mythtv

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DustyBin:

im in the dir

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DustyBin:

before i svn up, i better close down the backend and front end

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justinh:

why?

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DustyBin:

because i will be compiling the new version?

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justinh:

you can svn up, configure, make – all without stopping any running programs

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justinh:

you only need concern yourself with the 'make install' part

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justinh:

that's the only part that the programs need to be stopped for – and worst case they'd just crash anyway

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justinh:

sounds to me like you really don't want to be running svn

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DustyBin:

why not?

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DustyBin:

i stopped the backend and my it keeps on saying

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DustyBin:

2007-11–07 15:28:11.388 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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DustyBin:

2007-11–07 15:28:11.388 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

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DustyBin:

bla bla

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DustyBin:

:-S

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justinh:

you stopped the backend & the frontend is complaining of timeouts?

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justinh:

hmmm I _wonder_ how that happens

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DustyBin:

i didnt stop the font

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DustyBin:

front whoops

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DustyBin:

right here we go 'svn up' :-S

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DustyBin:

Updated to revision 14810. :-D

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DustyBin:

i guess ill have to do

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DustyBin:

this with the plugins too

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DustyBin:

if i compile now, will the old plug ins be there still?

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hashbang:

DustyBin: they'll need to be updated and built too, probably

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

ive updated those too

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DustyBin:

here we go for the exciting bit:

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DustyBin:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-proc-opt --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmcw --enable-xvmc-pro --enable-xvmc-opengl --enable-opengl-vsync

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bradd:

dusty....rtfm please

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DustyBin:

rtfm ?

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bradd:

read the f*cking manual :)

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DustyBin:

i dont need the manual when i have you guys :D

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DustyBin:

manuals were only invented for pre-IRC days

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tcpsyn:

There were pre-IRC days?

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DustyBin:

aye

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DustyBin:

my box is compiling like a bas***

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gbee:

anyone know what the average repeat rate for most remotes with lirc is?

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DustyBin:

gbee: i dont a normal average person knows the answer to that..

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gbee:

you'd be suprised

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DustyBin:

but then again, this channel is NOT full of normal people..

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kslater:

anyone here have a good grasp of recording schedules?

[15:49:06]

kslater:

I have an upcoming episode of a show scheduled to record on 2 different tuners at the same time

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directhex|work:

gbee, 5 or 6 worked for me in the past

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CharlieSu:

anyone know if this works for SVN? http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Streaming_to . . . ch_or_iPhone

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gbee:

directhex|work: not looking for the lirc config value, but an estimate of the repeat rate in msec, I want to change a timer in the code without affecting lirc users

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CharlieSu:

When i get to the part about updating recording.php it doesn't match up w/ my files

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directhex|work:

gbee, oh, um, no fecking idea :)

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djc__:

hrm.. mythtv is still scheduling commflag jobs, even though they are disabled from running, and I *thought* i had told it to no schedule them either

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rambo3:

a4-a5 , check

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djc__:

'defaut jobqueue settings for new scheduled recordings', 'run commercial flagger' *IS* unset

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djc__:

hrm

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seth|work:

which table in mythcinverg holds the "allow commercial flagging jobs" variable?

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DustyBin:

whats all this 'security pin' stuff

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DustyBin:

is this incase something puts a secret frontend in your network and logs into your backend with it

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DustyBin:

everything works! all i did was 'svn up', put in the new security pin codes, and thats it!

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GreyFoxx:

DustyBin: No, that's just for the upnp access as the autodiscovery sends the mysql login info

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gbee:

DustyBin: not everyone is on a private network

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GreyFoxx:

You can still hit the backend directly

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gbee:

university students etc

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DustyBin:

mythweb is the only thing what has broke

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DustyBin:

Error at /var/www/mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php, line 169:

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DustyBin:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=35, backend=36)

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GreyFoxx:

Did you update that as well ?

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DustyBin:

nope

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DustyBin:

i will now

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GreyFoxx:

...

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DustyBin:

im amazed, the previous install of svn was from august

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DustyBin:

even before that

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gbee:

and some people are on internet IPs, potentially giving anyone access to their backend unless there is some form of protection

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GreyFoxx:

Even with the pin it only applies to the upnp request for mysql info. Anyone finding your backend can still mess you up :)

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DustyBin:

GreyFoxx: now mythweb works

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DustyBin:

i didnt realise svn upgrading was so easy, i was expecting to spend about a day upgrading stuff

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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DustyBin:

GreyFoxx: hasnt the format of the myth database changed?

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GreyFoxx:

Main thing is to remember what version you came from, and do a backup of the database

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DustyBin:

because its still using the previous one

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GreyFoxx:

It doesn't change a lot

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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DustyBin:

i always have db backups, its automated

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DustyBin:

from now on, ill do a svn up every month

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** DustyBin watches 'Spartacus' **

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bb_:

hello: is there a mythtv support forum somewhere?

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rambo3:

is it a question about chess?

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bb_:

i cant get my lirc to work poperly

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bb_:

i have setup my lirc.conf... and then run irc...all buttons show up when I press them

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bb_:

im sorry thats irw

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bb_:

so that part is working great!

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CharlieSu:

anyone know if this works for SVN? http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Streaming_to . . . ch_or_iPhone

[17:09:07]

CharlieSu:

When i get to the part about updating recording.php it doesn't match up w/ my files

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bb_:

here is my two configs... http://pastebin.com/m154d091d... when I run mythtv... nothing works with my remote

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iamlindoro:

bb_, well, there's mythtv support here, and also at mythtvtalk.com

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iamlindoro:

bb_, have you set up you .lircrc and lircrc?

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bb_:

hey there iamlindoro: i still cant get my config working hahaha

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iamlindoro:

oh, wait, yeah, I remember

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bb_:

i have tried for several days and many hours haha

[17:14:14]

bb_:

can you check my config and make sure it looks right?

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iamlindoro:

Well, the lircd.conf looks fine

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bb_:

cool

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RyeBrye:

Anyone here know how to interprit EDID data? I dumped the DDC from my tv last night – http://pastebin.ca/764327 the TV claims to be 1080p, but when I connect my comptuers to it they only want to do 1080i, and I think it's because the TV sends down bad data via EDID (either that, or the TV really isn't 1080p)

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iamlindoro:

as does the lircrc... are you sure permissions on it are right?

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bb_:

iamlindoro, sweet, well I deleted all together and created a new one with my user that runs mythtv

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bb_:

iamlindoro, I would assume that who runs mythtv can get to it..i may be wrong

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iamlindoro:

ryebrye, if you're sure about native resolutions and refresh rates, you could try using "IgnoreEDID" in xorg.conf

[17:16:33]

iamlindoro:

well, yeah, one would presume

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iamlindoro:

ryebrye, also, if you can get a windows machine plugged in to it, you sould use powerstrip to get exact modelines and test supported modes

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justinh:

that dog just keeps cracking me up. there we were, walking down the street on our way home when he spotted a dog at the other side of the road. he was so busy looking over at it he didn't see the lamppost. oops.

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bsdfox_:

hey iamlindoro, any chance of getting those h264 scripts? :)

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iamlindoro:

bsdfox_, you are definitely welcome to them, but I've broken audio sync so am trying to fix it... you may want to give me a few hours :)

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iamlindoro:

but if you like, I'll send you the current versions

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bsdfox_:

nah I can wait

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justinh:

h.264 scripts? why not just adapt the portable device export scripticle in /contrib?

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justinh:

I had it producing nice xvids last time I tried it, but it's broken for svn trunk & with files renamed by mythrename.pl

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bsdfox_:

I wrote my own xvid scripts that work w/ renamed files

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bsdfox_:

I want to try h264 though

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I had it working pretty well but started to play, didn't keep a backup, and totally borked audio sync, so I'm backtracking to try to fix... should have it done shortly... Based on steveadeff's script from the wiki.

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iamlindoro:

He wrote some nice stuff in there to sense length and framerate and adapt size/bitrate accordingly

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seth|work:

anyone know if an rf blaster exists out there

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iamlindoro:

Hmmm, haven't heard of one, but seems like a simple enough thing to hack together

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iamlindoro:

could possibly even get it to use the lirc serial module with a little clever hacking

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seth|work:

well i built my ir blaster, but rf seems to be a bit more comlicated

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bsdfox_:

rf will be more complicated

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seth|work:

and dish network wont let me trade in my 522 for 2 301's, and its a pain in the arse to have to set program information on 2 boxes all the time

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justinh:

funny how so many people 'have scripts' but not many see the point in contributing them :-\

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seth|work:

i added a "press select" bit to the dish network channel_change.sh script to eliminate recording hours of "press select to continue" hehe

[17:50:12]

seth|work:

but i think "jusky" would know that I have helped as much as I can as far as contributing to the mythtv cause. hehe

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justinh:

ffs every little bit helps

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seth|work:

i see mythdora borrowed your blue-tube theme and coined it the mythdora theme, ;-)

[17:52:08]

seth|work:

sorry that was mythbuntu

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seth|work:

my bad

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justinh:

seth|work: they didn't borrow it. I gave them it

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seth|work:

well thts cool then

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seth|work:

still my favorite

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justinh:

not mine, by a long way

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justinh:

wait til Monday :)

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jduggan:

hah

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jduggan:

you're releasing glass?

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jduggan:

on monday?

[17:56:33]

justinh:

planning to

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seth|work:

any screenshots?

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justinh:

on the website

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jheizer:

ah nice

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jheizer:

I use neon-wide on my frontends

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seth|work:

wow

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jheizer:

has the same basic feel, but tweaked

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justinh:

better in so many ways

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justinh:

you can use your own backgrounds

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jheizer:

yeah

[18:00:02]

jheizer:

I will have to check it out

[18:00:25]

jheizer:

I have been slowly working on a windows mythfront end of sorts

[18:00:36]

justinh:

well, there aren't gonna be any packages of it so it'll only be available from the website

[18:00:36]

jheizer:

and have been using the neon theme in my development

[18:00:53]

jheizer:

too lazy to write the theme engine so far

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jheizer:

but this is hot

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sethj:

makes me want to buy a widescreen tv

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justinh:

gonna change the licence to non-distributable

[18:02:57]

justinh:

or rather not change it – just make it so

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jheizer:

yeah

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jheizer:

wish I had the graphics skills to make stuff like that

[18:05:31]

jheizer:

being a programmer is great and all until you can't make it pretty

[18:06:04]

jheizer:

and there is such a learning curve for the theme design, hense why I have yet to write that part

[18:06:51]

rambo3:

like xface skin for mediportal http://www.team-mediaportal.com/files/Downloa . . . nVersion1.2/

[18:07:15]

jheizer:

Are the watermarks going to be like the ones in neon, just with the gray border instead of the blue neon?

[18:12:03]

justinh:

there are hopefully going to be no more ports of mediaportal skins

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justinh:

jheizer: nope

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justinh:

more like http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/cgwide7.png

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jheizer:

niice

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jheizer:

I think the menus end up being empty on a wide screen w/o the watermarks

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jheizer:

even though I don't ever really look at them much or anything

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jheizer:

lol

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justinh:

frees up a _lot_ of memory

[18:16:33]

justinh:

anyway they're optional

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jheizer:

haha

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jheizer:

yeah, I bet

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jheizer:

I honestly don't think I have ever paid attention to my SBE/FE's ram usage

[18:22:23]

jheizer:

ha, 98mb with neon. It is a whole lot worse with glass?

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justinh:

less with glass

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jheizer:

even better

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justinh:

the initial plan went like this: 1. use less ram. 2. look much better 3. have wider appeal

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gbee:

with every screen I do, I find some way of improving it later, never going to finish at this rate

[18:27:45]

jheizer:

got ya, good plan

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jheizer:

haha, isn't that how ti always goes

[18:28:24]

gbee:

especially when you consider that a few things in my theme now rely on code changes which I'll have to commit first

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justinh:

gbee: themes are never 'finished' IME. you just tend to get bored & stop

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justinh:

I don't especially enjoy being so prolific when it comes to maintenance :P

[18:30:49]

gbee:

if I just do the one theme, I'll probably be compelled to maintain because I'm using it on a frontend somewhere

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justinh:

.. which is why when more of the UI code is ported to mythui & themes get broken, some won't make it to the other side

[18:31:52]

gbee:

I would probably have fought for Blootube-wide not long ago, but I've been using it for so long that I'm tired of it and need a change anyway

[18:32:07]

jheizer:

I can imagine it would be a lot of work to port them all

[18:32:24]

jheizer:

and when you have so many and use so few of them (I'm guessing)

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gbee:

but you make a good point, this could be the chance to kill off some of those core themes that are looking a little dated

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justinh:

blootube-wide will probably be one of the ones to get left behind

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justinh:

if anybody objects to that, they can pick it up

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justinh:

and this is the last frickin time I theme mytharchive in the current UI incarnation. oh hell yeah

[18:35:52]

gbee:

can imagine how bad mytharchive is without even looking at the theme, the UI always seemed wrong to me, too cluttered for a start

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justinh:

seems slow to me too

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justinh:

I thought the new mythweather was tricky to navigate around.. I'd obviously never been too deep in mytharchive

[18:38:24]

justinh:

ordinarily I have mixed feelings about focus groups, but I think they have a use round here to add more verve & polish

[18:39:10]

justinh:

in places mytharchive is very appliance-like in feel & it'd be really great to have more of that – but then I know how difficult it can be

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gbee:

http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/music_buttons3.png – just the shuffle/repeat icons to do now, but reckon I've got to avoid more glass/metal effects on that screen :0

[18:40:20]

jheizer:

can't say I have ever used it myself, so I am not much help

[18:41:10]

justinh:

heh that aspect thing is a problem ;)

[18:41:17]

justinh:

looks spiffy all the same thoguh

[18:42:29]

justinh:

have to try a dot matrix/lcd font on my TV & see if it's workable for a future release

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gbee:

the aspect ration stuff I'm going to try and fix in the scaling code, could get messy though

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bsdfox_:

justinh: we can use a different background than the curtain?

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justinh:

bsdfox_: yeah that's the whole point

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bsdfox_:

good

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bsdfox_:

;)

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justinh:

:-\

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jheizer:

lmao

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justinh:

damn good job I don't do this for anybody but myself

[18:44:59]

gbee:

some weird artifacts on the buttons, don't seem to be on the original images

[18:45:15]

justinh:

missing xv perchance?

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justinh:

when I log into the vnc server I've got on a work-friendly port all the images lose their transparency

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gbee:

if you look at the RHS there is a black bit sticking out below the FF button and another below the Prev button

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justinh:

wouldn't put it past the ui code doing that

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gbee:

not an XV issue since I'm previewing this on the same machine I drew the images

[18:48:28]

justinh:

anyway, anyone wanting to use glass-wide with mytharchive in trunk – you've got rooaus to thank

[18:49:04]

justinh:

I hate it when code changes break the xml :(

[18:49:13]

justinh:

esp. when it's tiny things

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DustyBin:

if you live in a area where your freeview tv signal is bad, you need a GaAsFET amp!

[19:05:59]

bb_:

iamlindoro, reading some forum stuff...do I need irexec installed as well?

[19:06:32]

justinh:

DustyBin: Gallium Arsenide ftw!

[19:06:47]

DustyBin:

is that what it stands for?

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justinh:

Gallium Arsenide Field Effect Transistor

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DustyBin:

jeeze

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DustyBin:

i had i feeling you already knew about this hehe

[19:08:05]

DustyBin:

all the ones ive seen are pretty expensive

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DustyBin:

but you get what you pay for i guess

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justinh:

just a low noise FET. nothing flash

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justinh:

the kind of thing radio hams use

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DustyBin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide

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jheizer:

very useful stuff it sounds like

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Ryushin:

Hi xris: I was wondering if you have a minute to talk about the mythrename.pl script.

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xris:

nope

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Ryushin:

Later then?

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floppyears:

I finally figured out what my problem was with mytharchive

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floppyears:

why it would fail getting the thumbnail images :)

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justinh:

hmm trying to find a licence that doesn't allow redistibution :-\

[19:17:48]

floppyears:

I had a cut point in the beginning of the recording

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floppyears:

for some reason that was making mytharchive fail :(

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justinh:

gah why do all the big licences seem to concur that giving stuff away yourself but not allowing changes or commercial use is fine, but as soon as you say nobody can distribute the stuff themselves, oops!

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justinh:

sod it. I don't have a lawyer so I might aswell either a) not bother putting anything out or b) do nothing & continue. to hell with my right to dictate how people get the stuff

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jheizer:

:-(

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jheizer:

a quick google or 3 here has not come up with much either

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justinh:

it's all "muh muh muh, but that's not fweeee"

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jheizer:

makes sense ot me

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jheizer:

keeps one master source that is know to be good

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jheizer:

ha, does seem to be the #1 thing everywhere

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jheizer:

must allow redistribution

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justinh:

well, I can't sue anybody who breaks a condition not backed up by a big org, so I may aswell pull my pants down & lie on my front

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stuarta:

interesting visual that

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jheizer:

Might help find one: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

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jheizer:

"This is not a free software license; it lacks essential freedoms such as publication of modified versions. Please don't use this license, and we urge you to avoid any software that has been released under it."

[19:38:59]

jheizer:

well, tried to help (even though I would like to use your themes if I ever finish/release this damn frontend project) ;-)

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floppyears:

hi guys,

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floppyears:

the dvd created by mytharchive, has really bad looking fonts

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floppyears:

any clues on how to fix it?

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bb_:

anyone know how to get codes for a direct tv remote?

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CharlieSu:

anyone know if this works for SVN? http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Streaming_to . . . ch_or_iPhone

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CharlieSu:

When i get to the part about updating recording.php it doesn't match up w/ my files

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justinh:

CharlieSu: probably not

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** stuarta crashes firefox again. **

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** justinh thinks.... **

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jheizer:

you find anything yet justinh?

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justinh:

I give up. like I said, may aswell roll over with my pants down & prepare to be raped by anyone who wants the files – or simply not give them away at all. the first option is probably best all round however unpleasant

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justinh:

it's not that I hate 'freedom' per se. I just want to stay in control of my own work

[20:03:45]

justinh:

trust me not to simply be flatterred that people want to roll up packages of my stuff & get them to a wider audience but that's not the point

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jheizer:

oh yeah, I understand completely.

[20:04:51]

jheizer:

I was just hoping you might have come across something

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justinh:

a guy at work said I should charge money for my themes since I put so much time into them.. Yeah try administrating _that_

[20:05:52]

justinh:

there's a market for a 'free as in beer' licence IMHO

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** justinh waits for the mob to come & burn his house down **

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jheizer:

lol

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justinh:

there's really no way to charge people money for this kind of thing without a lawyer on the case, and it'd be even more ridiculous to try to enforce a 'free as in beer' licence out of my own pocket

[20:09:07]

jheizer:

yeah

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jheizer:

only option is to make up the license and hope people respect it

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jheizer:

worse case would be people do distribute it and you would be right back to where you are now

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justinh:

or just make it harder to distribute :P 7GB tarballs anyone?

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jheizer:

hahaha

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justinh:

ach to hell with it. it's only like 60+ hours of my time

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jheizer:

ah, thats not tooo horrible

[20:13:45]

jheizer:

hehe

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jheizer:

makes me really not want to write a theme parser even more

[20:14:02]

jheizer:

arg

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justinh:

so bout time somebody had a stab at making a frontend-ish frontend for the win

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GreyFoxx:

I think CDev is doing prettyl well with a QT4 port, and has mythtv-setup running inder windows

[20:15:23]

justinh:

one that doesn't look like a whirling dervish was let loose with a .NET toolbox

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GreyFoxx:

he intends to get the whole frontend running under there

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jheizer:

I have been slowly working on a few windows apps for myth

[20:15:58]

jheizer:

just no where near enough free time

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justinh:

I hate to think what the bug reports will be like if there's ever a fully-blown windows frontend

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jheizer:

I am not going for a full frontend per se

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jheizer:

mostly because I only use the basics

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jheizer:

but also throwing in a few useful features that a normal frontend doesn't have

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justinh:

that's all we need. divided features

[20:19:37]

justinh:

hmm can you smell torrents?

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justinh:

where a native FE would really win in my opinion, is not having to have a samba share of the recordings dir(s)

[20:20:37]

jheizer:

yeah

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jheizer:

that is my one set back right now

[20:21:17]

jheizer:

I have the ability to get the byte stream from the BE and all, just need to learn move about how to display it all

[20:21:25]

jheizer:

directshow or what ever

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jheizer:

So most is not completed and the theme support is mostly BS at this point

[20:24:13]

jheizer:

http://www.forumimagehosting.com/files/1/M1.PNG

[20:24:15]

jheizer:

http://www.forumimagehosting.com/files/1/M2.PNG

[20:24:16]

jheizer:

http://www.forumimagehosting.com/files/1/M3.PNG

[20:24:43]

jheizer:

last pic should have the video behind it, but does not screenshot

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justinh:

wow that logo halo looks gash

[20:25:04]

justinh:

I should do that again.

[20:25:31]

justinh:

god, what possessed me?

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jheizer:

Ha, what was that again about themes never being complete....

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jheizer:

and that is a shitty vb.net developer let loose ;-)

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justinh:

yeah but it doesn't look like bog standard windows listboxes etc ;)

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jheizer:

hehe yeah

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jheizer:

just kidding around

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jheizer:

for all the .Net haters out there

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justinh:

www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/screenshots/newgw1.png newgw2.png newgw3.png

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justinh:

changed the title text font to something nicer

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jheizer:

yum

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jheizer:

I like it w/ the clouds in #2

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justinh:

just for laughs I wonder if the leafers-wide background would work with this

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jheizer:

font looks nice too

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jheizer:

sitting here w/ myth music going as I work

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jheizer:

and I love neon, but I think it is going to be time for a change mmm... around monday...

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DustyBin:

the playback OSD has now gots it own menu entry! that was my idea!!

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jheizer:

arg, I hate work some days

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DustyBin:

bastards stole it from me :P

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DustyBin:

a lot of shit has changed

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DustyBin:

different resolutions can now use different players, interesting

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iamlindoro:

bb_: irexec is install as a part of LIRC IIRC, and no, you shouldn't need it for basic fuctionality

[20:43:19]

gizmobay:

Has anyone ever upgrade their FC6 MythTv box to F7 or F8 with a DVD?

[20:43:50]

DustyBin:

mythtv is a seriously powerful bit of software

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bb_:

iamlindoro, oh ok well I got a topic on the gentoo forums asking for help: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-612248.html I am going to check some settings when I get home

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iamlindoro:

good, hopefully those guys can help you out too

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htpc-dvbs:

what would cause mythtv not to switch lnbs

[20:45:50]

htpc-dvbs:

every time i want switch sats i have to press c

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stuarta:

feel free to have a debug. don't think many of us devs have multi lnb's

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htpc-dvbs:

oh

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justinh:

www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/haha.png — leafers-wide ? ;)

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htpc-dvbs:

u only have one lnb

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justinh:

it _almost_ works too

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htpc-dvbs:

no switch

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stuarta:

i have 0 lnb's

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stuarta:

:(

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justinh:

svn revert background.png

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justinh:

heh. oh dear oh dear oh dear. BT don't seem to trust their broadband customers enough to open their email attachments. can't talk wifey's mate through that one

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janneg:

htpc-dvbs: do you have a rotor?

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jheizer:

you remove the haha files already?

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jheizer:

if not it is just dumping me to index

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justinh:

www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/screenshots/haha.png

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** janneg has zero lnb's too **

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olivmee:

hi hi

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justinh:

I have one LNB, but it's in the shed

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justinh:

oh no wait – it's chucked down the back of the garden still on the dish

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jheizer:

wow, this one must be huge, taking forever to d/l

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jheizer:

haha, very fall like

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justinh:

almost as good as this one: http://cscl.alasu.edu/MYTHTV/Leafers-wide-screenshot.jpg

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** justinh puts his handbag down **

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olivmee:

I have a small question about upnp. I'm trying to test my archos upnp client working with mythtv but I mythtv don't seems to answer to M-SEARCH queries. It only send the NOTIFYs once

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jheizer:

oh man!! I have never seen that one before, and hope to never see it ever ever ever again

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justinh:

roflmao. "my eyes! arghhh my eyes!"

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jheizer:

(no offense to the designer if they are out there...)

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justinh:

saying 'no offense' never works, let me tell you ;)

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jheizer:

hahaha

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DustyBin:

the resolution of my mythfrontend running on my TV is: 1024 x 768 ,but in the playback profiles, that resolution isnt mentioned, would i need to first create a new profile with that particular resolution so i can add bob filters etc?

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justinh:

oh and if I post an announcement on the mailing lists, feel free to kill me. that's ego-suicide

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jheizer:

ha, they all pricks about it usually?

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justinh:

not generally but I've had a lot of 'great BUT' in the past

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jheizer:

ah

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jheizer:

I just kind of lurk everywhere

[21:00:26]

jheizer:

but if you get ballsy I might send a that looks kick ass reply for you

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jheizer:

hehe

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stuarta:

one day i'll be able to plug a cable into the socket on the wall, that's plugged into an LNB at the other end

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justinh:

stuarta: maybe one day we'll all be able to plug an optical fibre into a socket on the wall that's plugged into a gargantuan fat-arse pipe at the other end :)

[21:01:57]

DustyBin:

bob and onefield are the only filters left, what happened to the others?

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justinh:

DustyBin: see the wiki pages about playback profiles methinks

[21:02:23]

DustyBin:

ok

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stuarta:

justinh: well yeah.... am off to the data centre tomorrow. lottsa fibre in there ;-)

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** jheizer wants something faster than this verizon DSL and when he moves the only other choice will be crapcast comcast cable **

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stuarta:

i'm sure it's better than the 8Mb ADSL i've got

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jheizer:

4Mb DSL here and 6 on Comcast, but I have a problem giving them money with everything that has been going on lately with them

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stuarta:

i stand corrected

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jheizer:

and no choice now besides dsl in this apt complex

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jheizer:

gotta love Central Illinois, US

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jheizer:

getting friggin cold out too lately

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jheizer:

so where is everyone else from since I am the noob and know nothing

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jheizer:

guessing UK for justinh since it was a uk domain name

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xris:

you're the only american in here.. everyone else is from the UK. :)

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** xris quickly hides his Seattle hostmask **

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jheizer:

haha

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moosylog:

Q: What's the best way to check if my PVR500 video devices are 'free' in a bash script.

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justinh:

hmm people should frame more photos for widescreen aspect cropping :)

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xris:

heh

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jheizer:

I believe you can use mythshutdown to get status of some stuff. I am not 100% what, but it might be worth checking out since no one smarter than I has chimed in.

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moosylog:

I'll have a look – thanks

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justinh:

www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/screenshots/diver.png – some nice free images out there to use as backgrounds ;)

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justinh:

ah bum

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justinh:

www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/screenshots/gwdiver.png

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moosylog:

like this Tango team: http://moosy.blogspot.com/2007/10/made-start-with-theme.html

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** xris never really understood photo themes for things **

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xris:

too distracting from the rest of the UI

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justinh:

xris: yeah – here's some text for 'media library' next to an icon representing the 'media library' :-\

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xris:

?

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justinh:

ah I geddit now

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justinh:

having photos as backgrounds

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jheizer:

now I just need a script to put in a new background out of a collectiong every night and restart the frontend

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justinh:

well, it's up to users to choose in this case

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jheizer:

wake up to something new and cool all the time

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justinh:

let em hang themselves

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xris:

justinh: yeah

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justinh:

Idon't like those tango icons though

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justinh:

I found those when I was looking for suitable places to rob for this theme. they just don't look right to me somehow

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xris:

hmm

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jheizer:

their too big

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justinh:

and er. .yes you can desaturate blootube's menu bar & use it yourself :P

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squidly:

hmm.. is there a setting I can use to get mythtv to transcode a video to a smaller file at some point later on?

[21:34:19]

stuarta:

well kinda

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stuarta:

you can automatically transcode to a different format

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xris:

squidly: auto-transcode.. just set the transcode bitrate lower than the source bitrate

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xris:

or use nuvexport to go to a lot of other formats.. you can set it up as a user job.

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stuarta:

you can also queue it for when you want to

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squidly:

xris: wont that cost me a lot of videoquality

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stuarta:

yes

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squidly:

I was thinking of going from the mpeg2 to mpeg4

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squidly:

or xvid

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stuarta:

mpeg4 profiles can be setup

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floppyears:

do you guys automatically transcode to mpg4 ?

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stuarta:

personally, no

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jheizer:

I don't transcode at all anymore

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floppyears:

jheizer: why did you stop ?

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jheizer:

1TB

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floppyears:

ah

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** stuarta chuckles **

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jheizer:

rather spend another $100 on another HD then have lower quailty recordings

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squidly:

lol

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floppyears:

jheizer: does it lower the quality a lot ?

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squidly:

right now I'm kind of stuck with a smaller hdd then I want due to $$ issues

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squidly:

if I coudl afford a tb drive :D

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jheizer:

I also got a new OTA antenna and started recording more HD so that also helped the push

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jheizer:

they can be ok looking

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squidly:

also I let some friends grab copies of shows they wanted me to save for them (they dont have the technical know how of doing anythign with a dvr)

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jheizer:

just have to play with the bitrates

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squidly:

jheizer: really? sweet. I've though of doing that.

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squidly:

but once I get my cable back up I may get a digital tuner and grab the HD channels that wayt

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jheizer:

the one nice thing about transcoded video is it will go over wifi much easier

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squidly:

jheizer: heh.. I'm looking at doing something cooler then that ;)

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jheizer:

to a phone?

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squidly:

jheizer: over the web ;)

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squidly:

though to a phone would also rock.. but the transfer rate woudl be horid..

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squidly:

and my boss is thinking of using myth for somethings at work

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jheizer:

ah cool

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squidly:

oh.. i just rembemered. if I've got a channel the is recoarding, how can I watch it without having to go to the video (ie I want to recoard and watch at the same time(

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fxfitz:

Can anyone tell me why when I try to watch TV that I hear music but the screen is green?

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squidly:

fxfitz: video issue

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squidly:

check your videocard, I had that and it was a problem with my videocard

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floppyears:

what theme do you guys use when burning dvds using mytharchive ?

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fxfitz:

squidly, I just enabled compiz. Do you think thats the problem?

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floppyears:

fxfitz: try disabling compiz and see if it works

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floppyears:

check the frontend & backend logs? <- do this if disabling compiz didn't help

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squidly:

fxfitz: idk that could be. I don tuse compiz at all

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gbee:

fxfitz: compiz is a likely culprit, but the latest nvidia drivers are also broken, so that could be it too

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squidly:

gbee: what version the the vidia drivers/

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gbee:

100.14.19

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fxfitz:

floppyears, Damn. When I turn off compiz it works.

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floppyears:

great

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fxfitz:

Is there any way that I can have compiz running AND mythtv? :(

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floppyears:

fxfitz: why do you need compiz enabled in a mythtv box ?

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fxfitz:

Its not solely mythtv box. Its primarily a desktop

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floppyears:

ah

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fxfitz:

Any ideas?

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floppyears:

no, I don't use compiz in my mythtv box :(

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floppyears:

maybe google and search if it's possible to have some keybinding or some script disable compiz before the frontend is launched

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dr_lulz:

oO

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dr_lulz:

meine aufnahmen von heute abend haben alle blaues bild

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dr_lulz:

aber livetv funktioniert

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Beirdo:

umm, is #mythtv-de still in operation?

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Beirdo:

if so, dr_lulz may get better results there for a german request

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dr_lulz:

urgs

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dr_lulz:

i should reorder myc ahnnels

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dr_lulz:

this is the second time i confuse this cahnnel with #mythtv-de

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dr_lulz:

sorry

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Beirdo:

no problem :)

[22:25:11]

Beirdo:

you're more likely going to get a good answer there, not many of us speak German here :)

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dr_lulz:

i know, just a mistake ;)

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dr_lulz:

so, i was saying all of todays tv recordings were blue screen only, but livetv works for some reason

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Beirdo:

that's odd

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Beirdo:

and sorry, I gotta go, dinner time

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jheizer:

haha

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garth:

After deleting some channels using the interface thru MythWeb, the channels continue to appear in the MythWeb prograrm listings

[22:50:50]

garth:

is there some thing I need to do to update that?

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garth:

I've run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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iamlindoro:

garth, tried turning them off at schedulesdirect?

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garth:

it looks like i just wasnt patient enough

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garth:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all worked after rall

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iamlindoro:

ah, good

[23:01:00]

garth:

i screwed something up in my video sources and had to re-build them again from scratch

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levander:

In mythtv-setup, setting up Video Sources, how am I supposed to know what Channel Frequency Table I need?

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iamlindoro:

where do you live, and what's the source?

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iamlindoro:

ie, cable, broadcast, etc

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iamlindoro:

levander, the above was for you

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garth:

iamlindro:; I'd like to learn about setting up transcoding jobs, but it kinda confuses me

[23:06:37]

iamlindoro:

garth, I do mine outside of myth anyway, far more granular control and I keep my archived stuff in mythvideo

[23:07:10]

iamlindoro:

I like to cut out commercials with myth, then run my 720p encode job to create a 1000-MB-ish avi or mkv that goes in MythVideo, all properly named-like

[23:07:18]

garth:

i would like to keep my archived stuff in nmythvideo as well

[23:07:31]

garth:

whatt do you use to transcode them?

[23:07:34]

garth:

mendcoder?

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mzb_d800:

mythtranscode

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iamlindoro:

well, that's an interesting question. Until yesterday, I used mencoder, but wasn't totally satisfied with the sync, so I rewrote my script today with ffmpeg. I'd offer to share it, but I need to get home and check to make sure everything is perfect on the files first.

[23:08:41]

garth:

understood

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iamlindoro:

'cause I don't want to give you a bum script. Still, it's a pretty nice setup. It determines file length and then calculates bitrate based on fixed values of 500 MB x.264/AC3 for a 30 minute show and 1000 MB for a hourlong show. I'm pretty happy with it, just don't want to share out a broken version. I set it up as a user job in myth and just kick it off after removing commercials.

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garth:

is there a way I could set up something simple as a user job using ffmpeg?

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iamlindoro:

sure, just write a littel script

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iamlindoro:

er little

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garth:

:/ not much of a coder, am I

[23:11:56]

garth:

talk like yoda well, do I though

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iamlindoro:

Here, I'll pastebin my script as it is, but not guarantees that it will put out perfect video right now since I'm tweaking. I think it's fairly easy to understand, though. You should just be able to get the pre-reqs, set the variables, and set it up as a user job in myth.

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garth:

ok great

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garth:

and if you know of a good resource for explaining basic script writing, something to get me started, i'd be much obliged

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iamlindoro:

Oh, and I also got it set up to use mulltiple threads if you have a multicore processor.

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iamlindoro:

http://pastebin.com/m4a3dd7d4

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iamlindoro:

I admonish you that it is NOT perfect and is a work in progress. I am debugging it now so any glaring errors are expected :)

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iamlindoro:

Read the comments carefully at the top and make sure to set the first four variables.

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garth:

looks kinda daunting, but ill give it a try

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iamlindoro:

processors is number of cores, resolution is the output res you want, outdir is where you want the files to end up, leave SUBTITLE alone

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garth:

ok

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iamlindoro:

It's pretty easy, let me give you an example of how I use it from command line

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garth:

ok thanksk

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iamlindoro:

myth720-TV /recordings/2111_20071105210000.mpg "Heroes" "Out of Time"

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iamlindoro:

That will (if all goes as planned) get you a 1000 MB Matroska file called "Heroes – Out of Time.mkv"

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iamlindoro:

but you need mkvtoolnix and ffmpeg installed, as well as that little pc script I mention in the comments

[23:19:14]

iamlindoro:

As I mentioned, thsi may result in crap video, though, need this evening to debug and perfect it again.

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iamlindoro:

Should be okay, though :)

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garth:

right on, ill give it a whirl

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garth:

is this ideal for primarily HD content, and/or is it overkill for SD recordings?

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iamlindoro:

It's overkill for SD

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iamlindoro:

BUT

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iamlindoro:

all you need to do is change three things

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iamlindoro:

change resolution=1280x720 to 720x480 (or whatever else you want)

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iamlindoro:

and change the totalsize= settings to whatever you want. As they are set, it says that if it's less than 1800 seconds, it's a 500 MB file, if it's 1800–3600, it's a 1000 MB, and more is a 3000 MB file

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garth:

ok

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iamlindoro:

so change those to the file sizes you want, probably 175, 350, 700 or so

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garth:

yeah i see where to change those

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iamlindoro:

It's a little ugly right now, has some yucky ways of doing the math, but if I have my ffmpeg settings right, it should be pretty convenient.

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iamlindoro:

Am running one right now that I will check when I get home. If audio is in sync, it's done. If not... well, then I need to change some more settings.

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iamlindoro:

but mencoder was thrashing some things, and I have high confidence that this will work ok

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garth:

ok, great

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garth:

I'll let you know if I experience any problems

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iamlindoro:

ok, although I'll probably know about them when I try to play the resulting file. :) The script logic itself works fine, just the transcode I need to check

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garth:

i see

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garth:

well at the very least, if i experience problems, i may track you down to see if i can steal a corrected version of the script

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garth:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Heh. Yeah, that's fine. I owe it to bsdfox__, too, but I didn't want to subject him to it until I got it fixed. He asked a day too late after I started messing with it without a backup :)

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garth:

ha ha alright well thanks... I'm gonna go tinker with it

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iamlindoro:

ok, good luck

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garth:

thx

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levander:

Is there a good reason why the menus in the MythTV front end UI would be a *lot* more responsive with my very old AGP 2x Matrox G400 video card than my kind of new nVidia 6300 video card?

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iamlindoro:

Probably not for that reason alone, no

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levander:

iamlindoro: It's the exact same box. Just with the video cards switched out.

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levander:

It's not a minor thing, it's very noticeable.

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iamlindoro:

you have the nvidia proprietary driver installed?

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levander:

I've tried with it both turned on and off, same thing.

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levander:

the proprietar driver turn on and off that is

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iamlindoro:

hrm, interesting. No idea, really. You might try using the opengl and qt drawing stuff.

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iamlindoro:

whichever you aren't currently. What does the log say when it lags?

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levander:

iamlindoro: You mean opengl and qt drawing stuff for mythtv themes? Not sure at all what you mean.

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levander:

iamlindoro: I haven't noticed anything in the logs, but I haven't been meticulous looking. I can try that later.

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iamlindoro:

yes, I mean for mythtv frontend, the draw engine can be either opengl or qt

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iamlindoro:

Which is in appearance, I believe

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levander:

iamlindoro: And, it's in every time I go up and down on the menus, it's in no way a random thing.

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iamlindoro:

hmm, well I'd runn frontend with -v all and see if anything pops up

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levander:

iamlindoro: I search for switching that in the front end later.

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iamlindoro:

cool

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levander:

iamlindoro: Okay, I'll try it with -v when I get a chance...

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iamlindoro:

-v all

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iamlindoro:

enables verbose logging

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levander:

okay, "-v all"

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levander:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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roob:

hello all. ive just set up mythtv on kubuntu 7.10 linux. ive got it all set up like i usaly do...but i cant seem to connect to the backend.....both back/front ends are on this machine....yet i cant connect.

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roob:

here is the backend.log .... http://pastebin.ca/765392 ...it says it cant connect to the database?....yet i can run mythfilldatabase and it fills the database(or at least says it does)

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