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[00:00:00] | AndyCap: | eugo: no. but you can get the card directhex suggested, this (conax cam) : http://www.oreind.is/strong/ci_conax.html and a subscription card from the broadcast provider. |
[00:00:09] | AndyCap: | eugo: and now it's time to say good night. |
[00:00:23] | eugo: | ok thx 4 all =) |
[00:00:25] | eugo: | gn |
[00:00:28] | AndyCap: | eugo: but you should check that they actually use conax. |
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[00:02:01] | black_Nightmare_: | hello there again :p |
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[00:09:26] | directhex: | why go to multiple stores? http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . --4-00e.html |
[00:10:02] | eugo: | wow ive newer heard about the dreambox before |
[00:10:08] | eugo: | its even sold here |
[00:10:30] | eugo: | can you get mythtv on it? |
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[00:14:56] | black_Nightmare_: | hm thats an interesting shop site....reminds me tho... |
[00:15:12] | black_Nightmare_: | are terrestrial channels like worldwide or its limited to particular countries? |
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[00:17:23] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: with the right atmospheric conditions, and the right aerial... ;) |
[00:17:38] | eugo: | i have 18 local stations and 50 worlwide... all terrestial broadcast |
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[00:19:55] | black_Nightmare_: | justinh...heh hm so if I was on an open country land with little mountains or so nearby I probably shouldn't have much problem getting a dvb-t card and some matching antenna workable? |
[00:21:43] | clever: | eugo: how many non encrypted though? |
[00:22:07] | eugo: | well that would be... 12 of the local and all of the foreign stations |
[00:22:21] | justinh: | black_Nightmare_: no guarantee of anything. UHF doesn't travel great distances usually |
[00:22:21] | clever: | ahh:) |
[00:22:41] | eugo: | no wait .. 12 of them are free... the rest is paid |
[00:23:17] | clever: | are you able to decrypt them with the dvb card if you pay?(it has a option to insert key like settings?) |
[00:23:43] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm ok |
[00:23:45] | black_Nightmare_: | had to ask |
[00:24:03] | black_Nightmare_: | could have had been funny to have both analog and dvb-t antennas together for basically many free channels :p |
[00:24:33] | black_Nightmare_: | eg someone asking "what the blinky blanky is with your roof having several antennas??" heheheheheh |
[00:24:46] | eugo: | clever: me? i dont own a dvb card.. yet... -.- |
[00:24:46] | clever: | lol |
[00:24:51] | clever: | eugo: ahh:( |
[00:25:00] | clever: | black_Nightmare_: i had an idea about hiding a sat dish before |
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[00:25:12] | clever: | cut a hole in the roof and mount the sat dish in the attic |
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[00:25:25] | clever: | and cover the hole with a clothe like stuff that doesnt block the sat signal |
[00:25:26] | eugo: | haha what about rain? |
[00:25:30] | clever: | and paint to match the shingles |
[00:25:48] | clever: | something water proof that doesnt block the signal |
[00:26:03] | black_Nightmare_: | well for me...it'll had been analog antenna, dvb-t antenna, used cb radio antenna, tall self-standing rigged lightning mast... and who knows what else I might had done |
[00:26:14] | black_Nightmare_: | ^_^ |
[00:26:14] | clever: | ive seen some dish'es on towers with a cover over the front so they dont act like a sail and pull the tower over |
[00:26:25] | clever: | lol |
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[00:28:19] | black_Nightmare_: | hm anyhow... |
[00:28:32] | black_Nightmare_: | just having to ask but anyone know of like any cable tv shop or there really isn't much of them? |
[00:28:32] | clever: | DAMNIT |
[00:28:42] | clever: | i was playing with the debug menu in my digital box |
[00:28:52] | clever: | by mistake i put the myth tuner into debug also |
[00:28:59] | clever: | and i didnt know so i didnt exit it |
[00:29:04] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
[00:29:11] | clever: | last recording is 1 solid hour of a single menu frame |
[00:29:59] | clever: | need to cover that box better so i dont hit the wrong box with the remot |
[00:30:00] | clever: | e |
[00:31:20] | clever: | that should do it |
[00:32:10] | clever: | will probly be a year or so before it hits a rerun and i catch what i missed |
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[00:33:07] | black_Nightmare_: | *pokes greyfoxx you there?* |
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[00:36:58] | black_Nightmare_: | hey xris |
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[00:37:29] | xris: | stupid crashy computer |
[00:37:34] | Tanthrix: | black_Nightmare_: cable TV shop? |
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[00:39:59] | black_Nightmare_: | well yeah I mean like where do these boxes come from anyhow? (I kinda know where you can find dsl/cable [internet] modems to purchase for yourself anyway) |
[00:40:30] | black_Nightmare_: | but anyway I found foxx's motorola box http://broadband.motorola.com/business/digita . . . 0_settop.asp .. nice looking thing :p |
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[00:49:23] | Der_Thomas: | anyone know if a 10/100 ethernet switch with one 10baseT and two 100baseT devices connected will allow the two 100baseT devices "talk" st 100 baseT or will it have to slow down due to the one 10baseT device? |
[00:49:42] | justinh: | Der_Thomas: depends how good the switch is |
[00:49:55] | Der_Thomas: | oh really |
[00:50:28] | Der_Thomas: | I see that unless a hub is called a dual speed hub that it slows down to the 10bast T speed |
[00:50:39] | Der_Thomas: | but I can't figure out if a switch is the same way |
[00:51:07] | justinh: | well, my linksys befsr41 thing doesn't slow down with 10mb plugged in |
[00:51:10] | Der_Thomas: | any idea about this?: http://cgi.ebay.com/NETGEAR-WGR613V-Switch-Ac . . . cmdZViewItem |
[00:51:26] | justinh: | Der_Thomas: why not visit the netgear site & RTFM? ;) |
[00:51:40] | xris: | Der_Thomas: hubs are limited that way.. hubs are also limited in their whole bandwidth (meaning a 10M hub can only pass 10M total at a time – e.g. 2M split between 5 devices). |
[00:51:54] | Der_Thomas: | thanks I tried that and I can't find the answer |
[00:52:14] | xris: | switches are generally smart enough to completely segment the connections and give the full amount to every port. that's actually one of the defining differences between a hub and a switch. |
[00:52:19] | justinh: | Der_Thomas: I'd expect that a switch would work at the prevailing speed of the device on the port |
[00:52:23] | xris: | and I haven't seen a hub for sale for a couple of years. |
[00:53:09] | BULLE: | most cheap ass switches even has nice leds, that show you what speed each port has |
[00:53:20] | black_Nightmare_: | xris..heh I have an A.T.I. one primarly because one of the system really hates auto-sensing so I needed this thing to dumb down the ethernet run from router ^_^ |
[00:53:20] | Der_Thomas: | Yeah I have an old 1 port router into a 10baseT hub and I think that I am having problem with a remote FE due to this |
[00:53:41] | BULLE: | Der_Thomas: a new switch costs nothing |
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[00:54:22] | xris: | Der_Thomas: could be.. hubs are pretty limiting as far as bandwidth goes, and you can get a pretty nice 100M switch for relatively cheap. |
[00:54:27] | Der_Thomas: | right, I know they are heap but since I am looking I figured that I'd get a combo wireless router / switch |
[00:54:28] | xris: | heck, even gigE switches are pretty cheap |
[00:54:56] | Der_Thomas: | but I want to make sure that the switch will run my 100baseT stuff at full speed |
[00:55:18] | Der_Thomas: | even if there is a 10baseT device connected |
[00:55:28] | BULLE: | xris: ye, the 5 and 8 port ones cost like 40–60 euro |
[00:55:43] | BULLE: | xris: dunno about performance though, but it cant be worse then 100mbit ones i would think |
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[00:57:42] | xris: | Der_Thomas: a switch should.. it's hubs that have that limitation |
[00:58:42] | Der_Thomas: | cool, thanks everyone |
[00:58:48] | Der_Thomas: | off to ebay I go |
[00:58:53] | black_Nightmare_: | hm just had to ask since we're on this topic now.. |
[00:59:21] | BULLE: | Der_Thomas: im not sure its realy worth picking one up at ebay |
[00:59:21] | black_Nightmare_: | are switches/hubs always some sort of propertiary or dc power cables or there were some that came with ac power cable connector directly? |
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[00:59:48] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: some have that, but then they just have the power converter inside them instead of externaly |
[01:00:05] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: mainly larger models, that alread require fans for cooling etc, and are to be mounted in rackspace etc |
[01:00:15] | baxter_kylie: | Hi. Anyone know how to get my channels to order numerically? RIght now I think they're ordering by scan or frequency or something like that. |
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[01:00:41] | BULLE: | baxter_kylie: put new numbers on your remote ! |
[01:00:42] | black_Nightmare_: | well my hub is small but its ac cable connector which I rather quite like ... not having to fess with finding and matching power cables but just pick up *any* dumb computer power cable and stuff it in |
[01:00:46] | black_Nightmare_: | ^_^ |
[01:01:39] | BULLE: | black_Nightmare_: guess its also a matter of easily producing one model, and then just toss in the right powerconverter in the box, that matches the intended market |
[01:02:25] | baxter_kylie: | Bulle: ? I don't see how that solves the issue of a browse going from 22 to 1008 to 8 to 25 etc. |
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[01:02:47] | black_Nightmare_: | 8port+backplane (naturally with the coax switch 'off' of course heh) for mine here .. it has vent silts at both side ends too |
[01:03:15] | black_Nightmare_: | eigth (or was it first one?) port has straight/crossover slide switch selector too |
[01:04:03] | BULLE: | he, straight/crossover switch |
[01:04:10] | BULLE: | auto mdi/mdx have been around for ages |
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[01:05:05] | black_Nightmare_: | well not for several cases tho...especially noticeably any macs and their nubus/pci cards |
[01:05:51] | leprechau: | ehh most pcs and/or macs in general don't come with auto sensing nics by default |
[01:06:02] | leprechau: | and especially not any made less than 2 years ago or so |
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[01:06:27] | leprechau: | but almost all the newer current year or last year models have auto sensing nics...including the new macbooks |
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[01:33:46] | baxter_kylie: | can anyone please make some sense of how mythtv orders channels? It's not using channum and it's not using chanid. I can't for the life of me figure out what it is using to sort these channels. |
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[02:20:42] | dmz: | howdy y'all. 2 questions..what controls the sort order in my recordings list? When in a title listing it has (ex: 10/7, 11/4, 10/28, 10/21...for another, 11/1, 10/30, 11/2, 11/3.) i just want to have it sorted :) all-programs together is sorted correctly |
[02:21:05] | dmz: | other question is how far in the future does the recording schedule go? and is it possible to push out further? |
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[02:23:42] | GreyFoxx: | depends on your country and data source. |
[02:23:54] | GreyFoxx: | in north america using schedules direct we get 12–14 days |
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[02:30:03] | dmz: | ah |
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[02:30:39] | dmz: | too bad when some programs are actually scheduled out (battle star razor, etc) and i have to remember to schedule it 2 weeks before it. sigh |
[02:30:52] | dmz: | what about the sorting wierdness |
[02:31:03] | dmz: | does the theme effect the sorting? |
[02:31:28] | GreyFoxx: | what sorting ? what weirdness ? |
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[02:32:39] | dmz: | when listing "all programs" it sorts as last recorded first then backwards. however if i select a specific title (say robot chicken) it has 11/3, 11/4, 10/30, 10/29, 11/2, 11/1, 10/28, ... |
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[02:33:09] | GreyFoxx: | I've never seen that happen when zooming into a specific title |
[02:33:16] | GreyFoxx: | Only newest to toldest |
[02:33:23] | dmz: | yeah that's what i expected |
[02:33:24] | GreyFoxx: | (not influenced by theme) |
[02:34:29] | dmz: | yeah this one category shows list as: 10/29, 11/5, 10/30, 11/2, 11/1 |
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[02:44:02] | dmz: | so no ideas |
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[03:25:34] | clever: | lol |
[03:25:44] | clever: | the preview on my tv at the bottom(added by channel) |
[03:25:46] | clever: | said 'null' |
[03:25:53] | clever: | i think the program is crashing:P |
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[03:27:49] | clever: | GreyFoxx dmz: in the options you can change the episode sorting when looking at 1 show(i set it to original air date) |
[03:28:10] | clever: | that helps when 2 channels are airing diff seasons of the same show(causing the seasons to become interlaced between eachother) |
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[04:17:11] | robbins876: | for some reason my tv listings are missing |
[04:17:22] | robbins876: | i ran mythfilldatabase and restarted mythbackend and it still isn't there |
[04:17:53] | robbins876: | Anyone have any ideas why? |
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[04:19:46] | robbins876: | Anyone even around? |
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[04:22:04] | robbins876: | HELLO?! |
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[04:24:14] | robbins876: | what the f is going on? |
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[04:24:53] | tcpsyn: | got me |
[04:25:14] | robbins876: | it seems like there is nobody in here or something |
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[04:26:55] | tcpsyn: | theres always people in here. |
[04:27:13] | robbins876: | i know, but it's really dead |
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[04:27:53] | robbins876: | -topic |
[04:28:17] | robbins876: | is schedules direct working? |
[04:28:31] | tcpsyn: | yes |
[04:28:41] | robbins876: | perhaps you can help |
[04:28:49] | robbins876: | for some reason my tv listings are missing |
[04:28:50] | tcpsyn: | perhaps. |
[04:28:54] | robbins876: | i ran mythfilldatabase and restarted mythbackend and it still isn't there |
[04:29:10] | tcpsyn: | are you using the newest version of myth? |
[04:29:21] | robbins876: | what's the newest version? when was it released? |
[04:29:42] | tcpsyn: | Topic for #mythtv-users: .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user |
[04:29:42] | tcpsyn: | support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: |
[04:29:45] | tcpsyn: | 0.20.2 |
[04:29:54] | robbins876: | how do i check version? |
[04:30:44] | tcpsyn: | check the information center in mythfrontend. |
[04:33:35] | robbins876: | where in the h is that? |
[04:34:43] | tcpsyn: | you could start by going to the menu option "Information Center" in mythfrontend. |
[04:35:05] | tcpsyn: | where the h is.. I don't know. |
[04:35:16] | tcpsyn: | There's really no h in "Information Center" tbh. |
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[04:36:09] | robbins876: | i don't see it there man |
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[04:36:46] | tcpsyn: | mythfrontend --version will do the trick. |
[04:37:14] | robbins876: | i've got 20.2 |
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[04:38:21] | tcpsyn: | and have you set up your listing source in mythtv-setup to be schedules direct? |
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[04:40:04] | robbins876: | tcpsyn, yes it's been working for months |
[04:40:09] | robbins876: | and has just stopped working |
[04:40:20] | robbins876: | i didn't even realize it until my girlfriend told me law and order is no longer recording |
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[04:41:29] | tcpsyn: | what happens when you run mythfilldatabase? |
[04:41:35] | robbins876: | it looks like it runs fine |
[04:41:39] | robbins876: | but then doesn't do anything in myth |
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[04:42:45] | tcpsyn: | try it with -refresh-all |
[04:44:04] | robbins876: | doing so now |
[04:44:27] | robbins876: | though i just updated my myth packages right before, so who knows what fixes it if this works...it will be a mystery |
[04:45:42] | tcpsyn: | Does anyone know how to tweak the upnp server? |
[04:46:15] | tcpsyn: | I've got it streaming MPEG2-TS files to the PS3 sucesfully... Now I'm working on mythmusic. |
[04:46:29] | tcpsyn: | All the mp3s show up to the PS3 as "Unsupported Data" |
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[04:46:49] | tcpsyn: | There is an xml config file in mediatomb, and I remember adding a little something to it in order to fix that issue. |
[04:46:55] | tcpsyn: | Does myth have a similar config file? |
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[04:48:42] | robbins876: | tcpsyn, it's fixed |
[04:48:43] | robbins876: | thanks |
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[04:51:53] | tcpsyn: | robbins87, np |
[04:54:41] | tcpsyn: | hows svn doing right now? Is it usable? |
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[05:18:11] | DapOrp: | does anyone here successfully use mythtv with a twinhan 102g DVB-S card? |
[05:19:34] | tcpsyn: | never heard of it |
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[05:58:50] | mzb_d800: | had the same problem with dvb recording stuttering (with svn multirec), just tried restarting mythbackend after unplugging tuner for 30secs and got a kernel oops |
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[06:11:02] | mzb_d800: | for anyone interested in the problem I've saved the oops info from syslog |
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[06:28:02] | tjcarter: | hey all, I'm trying to debug MythWeb here.. |
[06:28:06] | tjcarter: | (svn) |
[06:28:22] | tjcarter: | Recorded programs listing is blank |
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[06:30:13] | tjcarter: | any ideas? =) |
[06:31:17] | mzb_d800: | check your settings for mythweb? double check the myth proto version |
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[06:33:01] | tjcarter: | mzb_d800: fixing that is what caused the problem (myth proto version) |
[06:33:22] | mzb_d800: | there's an install doc in the mythweb dir that should detail everything |
[06:33:23] | tjcarter: | Other things work, just not the recorded programs listing |
[06:33:46] | mzb_d800: | have you had a look at your apache logs? |
[06:34:20] | mzb_d800: | anything else on my part would be pure guesswork |
[06:34:57] | mzb_d800: | (as opposed to possibly helpful;) |
[06:35:27] | tjcarter: | nothing obvious.. |
[06:35:39] | tjcarter: | [Mon Nov 05 22:19:17 2007] [error] [client 192.168.7.4] File does not exist: /var/www/mythweb/skins/default/img/streamtv.png, referer: http://192.168.7.3/mythweb/mythweb.php |
[06:35:42] | tjcarter: | that's it |
[06:42:17] | tjcarter: | that's interesting, I don't think KM uses the mythweb.conf.apache |
[06:42:26] | tjcarter: | I lied |
[06:43:52] | tjcarter: | it was .htaccess |
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[06:48:51] | mzb_d800: | ah |
[06:49:26] | mzb_d800: | oops ... *sigh* ... totally distracted ... forgot to mention invoice # |
[06:49:26] | mzb_d800: | grrr |
[06:51:02] | mzb_d800: | also forgot to change distro ... ahhh ... I'm going to burn everything at this rate! ;)) |
[06:51:18] | tjcarter: | no, that wasn't it |
[06:52:01] | mzb_d800: | duh |
[06:52:10] | mzb_d800: | wrong # ... getting senile |
[06:52:19] | tjcarter: | everything seems to work except previously recorded stuff. =( |
[06:53:37] | mzb_d800: | strange |
[06:53:53] | tjcarter: | yeah |
[06:54:45] | mzb_d800: | you'll probably get more feedback in a few hours ... end of business day on this part of the planet ;) |
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[06:55:24] | tjcarter: | http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/mythweb.png |
[06:56:38] | tjcarter: | actually what I really want is a little tool that returns filenames based on search |
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[06:56:48] | tjcarter: | kinda a CLI version of what mythweb does =) |
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[06:58:52] | mzb_d800: | mysql query |
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[06:59:31] | mzb_d800: | mysql -hsqlserver -umythtv -pMYPASSWORD -e "SELECT * FROM channels;" |
[06:59:34] | mzb_d800: | or something ... |
[07:00:10] | mzb_d800: | installing phpmyadmin will give you a good (visual) idea of the tables & fields available |
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[07:20:32] | Gumby: | allo all. Ive setup a remote here and setup the keybindings in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf and then restarted lirc. I can use irw and it shows the correct assigned keys but it seems that mythtv doesnt see the keys I have changed. ie: I changed the "back" buttons entry from exit/back to "esc" in lircd.conf and irw reports that "esc" is the result of the button being pushed but when in mythtv pressing the button does nothing. Does anyon |
[07:20:32] | Gumby: | e have any ideas? |
[07:24:01] | Gumby: | hrm, in mythwebs keybindings it also doesnt have anything for "foreard" which is what the "fast forward" button on the remote outputs in irw yet it seems to work no problem in mythtv |
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[07:26:38] | bsdfox: | anyone got advice on using LIRC to start mythfrontend? |
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[07:48:51] | joobie: | guys im from AU.. just wondering if anyone can recommend a good USB / firewire tv tuner card that is capable of working with the AU HD and cable TV? |
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[07:52:20] | xris: | joobie: linuxtv.org ? |
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[08:04:00] | tjcarter: | Don't most of them work nowadays? |
[08:04:16] | siXy: | bsdfox: theres a lirc irxevent command that you could use, assuming its not been removed yet |
[08:04:32] | joobie: | ahh its ok |
[08:04:35] | joobie: | i found a decent one |
[08:04:55] | CCB0x45: | my mythtv box finally works perfect |
[08:04:58] | joobie: | but hey.. if i get a HD tuner for my linux box.. when i want to change a channel for example – do i need to use a keybaord to do it? |
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[08:11:27] | joobie: | guys anyone know of any good mythtv skins? |
[08:11:34] | joobie: | i found a MAD one but it's for windows :/ |
[08:14:11] | joobie: | guys is mediaportal better than mythtv? |
[08:14:18] | joobie: | .. from a neutral point of view |
[08:14:38] | joobie: | unsure if i should go with myth or mediaportal |
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[08:17:12] | floppyears: | hi guys |
[08:17:31] | floppyears: | I have 13 episodes of a show that I want to put into dvds so that I can watch them later |
[08:17:36] | floppyears: | what's the best way of doing this ? |
[08:18:50] | joobie: | guys is there a websit ewith some good mythtv skins? |
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[08:30:05] | Dibblah: | joobie: You would have more luck searching for MythTV Themes. |
[08:31:09] | joobie: | found some Dibblah :P |
[08:31:10] | joobie: | thanks |
[08:31:43] | joobie: | hey also.. these tuner cards that are HD cards, what format do they store the movies in that they record? does it play back also in true HD? |
[08:32:22] | Dibblah: | They record whatever the station transmits. |
[08:32:32] | Dibblah: | Usually mpeg2 / h.264. |
[08:32:33] | pat_: | if you're recording hdtv from the digital stations in australia it is mpeg2 |
[08:32:57] | pat_: | (yeah, what he said) |
[08:34:18] | joobie: | ahh |
[08:34:23] | joobie: | and how much can mpeg2 store |
[08:34:31] | joobie: | like in terms of MB / min |
[08:35:11] | Dibblah: | Again, it depends on what the station you're tuned to is transmitting. |
[08:35:30] | joobie: | ahh.. |
[08:35:36] | joobie: | Dibblah, after a general understanding |
[08:35:44] | joobie: | like maybei f you give me the wrost case |
[08:35:52] | joobie: | i have a 120GB hdd.. just wondering how many movies i can store on taht |
[08:36:06] | floppyears: | when creating a dvd can I use mpg4 ? |
[08:36:13] | joobie: | it's HD recordings.. my TV is only a 720HD though, so dont need to record in 1080 |
[08:36:43] | Dibblah: | You record _whatever the station you're receiving sends_. |
[08:37:45] | Dibblah: | To change the resolution or format, you'd be transcoding after the recording. And for HD, that's expensive in terms of processing power. |
[08:41:27] | tjcarter: | floppyears: not with a standard DVD player |
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[08:43:52] | tjcarter: | floppyears: certain Hong Kong piracy market compatible DVD players can take AVC codec multi-layer DVDs |
[08:44:09] | tjcarter: | basically the DVD equivalent of the SVCD |
[08:52:36] | floppyears: | tjcarter: so I need to burn the |
[08:52:44] | floppyears: | mpg2 version ? |
[08:53:16] | pat_: | depends if your dvd player supports mpeg4, mine does |
[08:53:38] | pat_: | I just burn the file direct to disc (as a data disc) and my player just plays it |
[08:53:58] | pat_: | yumcha, uber cheap player too |
[08:56:26] | floppyears: | what's the safest way to go ? |
[08:56:40] | floppyears: | is it safer to burn it as mpg2 or mpg4 ? |
[08:56:48] | floppyears: | or as a dvd or as a data disc ? |
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[09:16:31] | mzb_d800: | joobie: I'm in tas.au and have a kworld USB2 DVB tuner which I think produces about 2GB/hr on SD |
[09:17:24] | mzb_d800: | judging by the bandwith alone during testing (HD is too much for me;) I'd say that HD streams are about twice that |
[09:19:08] | mzb_d800: | floppyears: the "safest" way imo is a spec-compliant dvd ... eg dvd2 ... however there can be a few tricks getting some players to play *anything* depending on how you burn it |
[09:20:04] | mzb_d800: | I've discovered a few interesting tricks while writing dvd-baker, some of the techniques I used might interest you |
[09:23:50] | floppyears: | ok |
[09:23:57] | floppyears: | so should I settle with mpg2 ? |
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[09:24:19] | floppyears: | mzb_d800: what does mytharchive use ? |
[09:25:21] | mzb_d800: | I assume it uses a template for dvdauthor ... I've not checked (yet) ... but I'd like to add some features (like random autoplay) |
[09:26:23] | mzb_d800: | I originally started with just a PS/2 for testing ... assuming that would be enough of the spec to get away with ... but it turned out some of the cheap players got very confused |
[09:27:18] | mzb_d800: | not honouring some parts of the spec ... so many of the tricks I've employed have been learned by experience alone |
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[09:30:37] | mzb_d800: | floppyears: bottom line is that the issue comes down to which *specific* players you want to support |
[09:31:18] | mzb_d800: | if you want to support *everything*, then start with mpeg2 |
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[09:32:56] | floppyears: | thanks |
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[09:57:42] | Dibblah: | ... Remarkably quiet in here after an ffmpeg sync ;) |
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[10:21:24] | blackest: | good morning, I seem to have a small problem with my backend |
[10:21:39] | justinh: | you can get creams for that |
[10:22:04] | blackest: | I upgraded to gutsy and while i can start the backend manually it doesnt seem to be starting on boot |
[10:22:10] | blackest: | hi justin |
[10:23:42] | justinh: | could be that init script isn't in the rc.d lineup |
[10:24:59] | justinh: | ls -al /etc/rc0.d/ |grep mythtv |
[10:25:08] | blackest: | it could be it was a ropey upgrade |
[10:25:43] | justinh: | I've never trusted in-place distro upgrades. I've had them work 50% of the time |
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[10:25:59] | blackest: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2007-08–14 02:13 K16mythtv-backend -> ../init.d/mythtv-backend |
[10:26:18] | justinh: | for the time it can take to fix a dodgy upgrade you can reinstall & spend more time relaxing |
[10:26:28] | blackest: | yes it left me with a non working x and not able to ssh in |
[10:26:45] | justinh: | could also be that a service mythtv-backend depends on hasn't started yet |
[10:27:02] | justinh: | there's a way you can change the start order but I can't remember it |
[10:27:19] | blackest: | mostly i think things are working fine is it mythtvbackend.log somewhere |
[10:27:54] | justinh: | I've seen problems where mythbackend wouldn't start cos mysql wasn't running |
[10:28:07] | justinh: | and mysql wasn't running cos the network hadn't started.. |
[10:28:27] | justinh: | so check obvious stuff like that first |
[10:29:44] | blackest: | ok do you know how to check if mysql is up ? |
[10:30:26] | justinh: | ps -ef |grep mysql :P |
[10:30:46] | justinh: | or sudo /etc/init.d/mysql status |
[10:31:00] | blackest: | thank you very much i guess similar for mythbackend |
[10:32:06] | justinh: | if your backend depends on a network share, make sure it's mounted before it starts ;) |
[10:33:10] | blackest: | hmm i don't think so unless it wants my backend slave up and running too |
[10:35:02] | justinh: | ducking idiots on forums linking direct to my images.. I'll fix em |
[10:35:42] | blackest: | well db is running fine mythfrontend connects |
[10:36:20] | blackest: | this is wierd any ideas |
[10:36:22] | blackest: | SIP listening on IP Address :5060 NAT address |
[10:36:22] | blackest: | SIP: Cannot register; proxy, username or password not set |
[10:36:22] | blackest: | Destroying SipFsm object |
[10:36:29] | justinh: | mythphone |
[10:36:40] | blackest: | ah ok its not setup |
[10:39:04] | blackest: | ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid` doesn't return anything so its not starting automagically |
[10:41:01] | Dibblah: | justinh: Goatse is _not_ a friendly way to do that. But entertaining, nonetheless. |
[10:41:54] | justinh: | dilrofl |
[10:46:03] | jduggan: | (10:22) < blackest> good morning, I seem to have a small problem with my backend |
[10:46:06] | jduggan: | (10:23) < justinh> you can get creams for that |
[10:46:09] | jduggan: | LOL |
[10:47:12] | blackest: | :) |
[10:47:36] | blackest: | looks like your right about the Db not opening early enough |
[10:48:26] | blackest: | 2007-11–06 10:30:47.916 Using runtime prefix = /usr |
[10:48:26] | blackest: | 2007-11–06 10:30:48.268 New DB connection, total: 1 |
[10:48:26] | blackest: | 2007-11–06 10:30:49.830 Unable to connect to database! |
[10:48:26] | blackest: | 2007-11–06 10:30:49.976 Driver error was [1/2003]: |
[10:48:26] | blackest: | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect |
[10:48:50] | blackest: | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
[10:48:50] | blackest: | 2007-11–06 10:30:51.162 Failed to init MythContext, exiting. |
[10:49:21] | blackest: | so db hasnt opened so myth backend gives up .... git |
[10:54:22] | justinh: | that's fixed their noodle nicely. duckers |
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[10:55:36] | directhex|work: | pot noodle? |
[10:56:06] | blackest: | could be worse than goatse |
[10:56:23] | blackest: | unfortunately i found something much worse |
[10:57:43] | jduggan: | tubgirl? |
[10:57:47] | blackest: | worse |
[10:58:05] | blackest: | ever heard of 2girls 1 cup |
[10:58:45] | justinh: | well I'm aware of my host's service T&Cs so I didn't upload anything nasty. well not in that sense anyway |
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[10:59:16] | blackest: | that is completely gruesome unless your into skat |
[11:00:19] | blackest: | so any idea's how i can get mythbackend to wait a little before attempting to connect to the db |
[11:00:23] | justinh: | that'll teahc the ducker for referring to methe site owner by his old irc nick |
[11:01:30] | directhex|work: | blackest, shuffle your init scripts around |
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[11:07:13] | blackest: | how do i do that ? |
[11:07:53] | directhex|work: | type "runlevel" in a console to determine which runlevel your distro is using |
[11:08:10] | blackest: | N 2 |
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[11:08:57] | directhex|work: | then go to your rc.d location (e.g. /etc/rcX.d on ubuntu, /etc/rcX.d on redhat, /etc/rc.d/rcX.d on suse) |
[11:09:28] | directhex|work: | and move things – filename denotes behaviour. "S" means start, "K" means kill, the number signifies the order to do stuff |
[11:09:40] | directhex|work: | make sure your myth backend starts well after your mysql server |
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[11:10:28] | blackest: | ah ok so go to rc2.d then ? |
[11:10:36] | directhex|work: | yes |
[11:12:12] | blackest: | s24 is mythbackend |
[11:12:21] | blackest: | s19 is mysql |
[11:14:28] | directhex|work: | move mythbackend later |
[11:14:35] | directhex|work: | S70 or so |
[11:14:42] | blackest: | ok |
[11:15:56] | justinh: | or put it in your .xinitrc :P |
[11:16:32] | blackest: | ok well i am trying the S70 thing first |
[11:16:47] | blackest: | just rebooting it see if it gets going |
[11:16:48] | justinh: | that'd be the proper way |
[11:17:41] | justinh: | hmm wish there was a good way to stop people linking to pages on my site. just direct em to the top winkers |
[11:17:41] | blackest: | hows that dog of yours btw |
[11:18:28] | justinh: | got him chipped yesterday. and he broke his pattern of recent good behaviour this morning apparently |
[11:18:38] | directhex|work: | justinh, you can use htaccess to do that – any request to any page where the referrer isn't your own site links to the frontpage |
[11:18:55] | justinh: | directhex|work: I can't :( |
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[11:25:52] | directhex|work: | you can't? |
[11:26:59] | justinh: | in theory, I can. butin practice the package I'm on is too restrictive |
[11:27:42] | justinh: | can't override much in htaccess |
[11:29:33] | directhex|work: | :'( |
[11:29:55] | justinh: | oh wait! mod_rewrite is supported |
[11:31:51] | justinh: | heh I can protectimages from hotlinking too |
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[12:03:15] | black_Nightmare_: | hey :p |
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[12:04:44] | black_Nightmare_: | had to ask out of curiousity but any of you know about res&fps verus hd controller bandwidth? (or is there like a general table somewhere?) |
[12:05:34] | directhex|work: | that's defined by the codec |
[12:05:49] | black_Nightmare_: | ah hm |
[12:07:16] | black_Nightmare_: | mpeg-2 in this case then? |
[12:07:24] | directhex|work: | HD broadcasts in europe reach up to about 24mbit/sec, SD broadcasts reach up to about 4mbit/sec |
[12:07:29] | directhex|work: | absolute maximums |
[12:07:54] | directhex|work: | DVD specifies an absolute maximum of 10mbit |
[12:09:28] | mzb_d800: | compared to the hard drive (hd?) controller bandwidth which for your old slot1 mobo should (in theory) be ata33 |
[12:10:10] | black_Nightmare_: | udma/33 actually (before ata yet :p) |
[12:10:24] | mzb_d800: | and the 1.2GB | 2.5GB drives you have (assuming my memory is serving correctly) will probably give you about 3MB/s on a good day ;) |
[12:10:33] | black_Nightmare_: | always been leaving it set in pio mode 4 anyway (thats its max) |
[12:10:35] | mzb_d800: | (not counting system usage) |
[12:10:50] | mzb_d800: | yep, drives even older than mobo ;) |
[12:11:34] | black_Nightmare_: | well...I was just wondering if the controller might be limiting too much or it could be ok for the occassional needs |
[12:11:58] | mzb_d800: | for my DVB-T tuner, I need < 1MB/s write |
[12:12:35] | mzb_d800: | but for anything but the most basic playback functions, my guess is that a PIO-mode drive would be pretty painful |
[12:13:22] | mzb_d800: | hence my previous suggestion to get a cheap raid card (in non raid mode if necessary) and a half-decent drive ... yes, both options cost $ ;) |
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[12:14:37] | mzb_d800: | ie. the PIO-mode drive would be the limiter in this case (imo) |
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[12:15:14] | black_Nightmare_: | would something between fastwide and ultra2 scsi probably work as well? ^_^ |
[12:15:18] | mzb_d800: | but you're not going to be able to get much better on that mobo without something with a bit more grunt |
[12:15:21] | mzb_d800: | err |
[12:16:17] | directhex|work: | scsi would work, but you're still limited to very little recording time for your money |
[12:16:23] | mzb_d800: | iirc ultra was 20MB/s right? ... but I think you'll find most drives of that age won't do anything near that (the bus is designed more for multiple targets) |
[12:16:33] | directhex|work: | best value option is a dirt cheap sata controller & a hundreds-of-gigs drive |
[12:17:31] | mzb_d800: | eg: I have a proliant 2500 (dual pee-pro) with raid5 scsi which can only push out about 2MB/s from the array |
[12:18:04] | mzb_d800: | probably a bit too old and slow to be a useful example :| |
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[12:19:41] | black_Nightmare_: | well I don't even see much cards that'll combo either ide or sata with something else (siig has few example but they seem too expensive and overrated) |
[12:19:46] | mzb_d800: | seagate 250GB are the cheapest pricepoint here atm (last time I looked), although the 300(?) gives slightly better value for $ |
[12:20:12] | mzb_d800: | go pata raid card then, in non-raid mode |
[12:20:25] | mzb_d800: | <au$15 (delivered) on ebay |
[12:20:28] | black_Nightmare_: | with scsi..I know I could stuff ultra scsi and firewire on one single card thanks to old orangemicro company |
[12:21:04] | mzb_d800: | slow, small and noisy |
[12:21:20] | black_Nightmare_: | not quite true |
[12:21:25] | mzb_d800: | ah ... I remember now you don't have an input device |
[12:21:46] | mzb_d800: | (in comparison to a more modern device) |
[12:22:27] | mzb_d800: | and pretty much every scsi drive I have is|was noisier than IDE drives of a similar age |
[12:23:13] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb...well I have several scsi hds in the 520mb-2gb range (these are the easiest to find free for systems but go figure on their capacity heh) and only the old fullheight one has some issue with its old motor whining |
[12:23:23] | mzb_d800: | (in scsi, that collection goes from 40MB to err... 18GB(?)) |
[12:23:24] | black_Nightmare_: | rest are normal modern 3.5" form :p |
[12:24:19] | mzb_d800: | most of mine are 3.5 too, apart from some of the old compaq "double-height" drives I've got |
[12:24:59] | mzb_d800: | maybe mine are just noisier because they're usually ex-server |
[12:25:13] | black_Nightmare_: | maybe could be |
[12:25:54] | directhex|work: | scsi drives are noisy |
[12:26:09] | directhex|work: | noise has never been a consideration of scsi drives, ever |
[12:26:52] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex..then why can I barely even tell if the old ppc system is on or off without having to refer to the keyboard capslock lamp? (and its pure scsi powered) |
[12:27:45] | justinh: | heheh try http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/images/foo.png :) |
[12:30:41] | mzb_d800: | either way ... the drives are very small, and probably not usually considered for a mythbox |
[12:30:52] | mzb_d800: | might suit you for playback only, though |
[12:31:01] | directhex|work: | black_Nightmare_, inch-thick steel casing |
[12:31:36] | directhex|work: | i'm going to quote a very smart man at this point |
[12:31:47] | mzb_d800: | keeping in mind, though, that a DVD can hold 4.3GB ... anything under that just doesn't seem worth the effort |
[12:31:54] | black_Nightmare_: | inch-thick??? |
[12:31:56] | directhex|work: | "You can use that old Pentium 3 machine in the attic with a barely functional WinTV card, but you won't get remotely as enjoyable an experience as with a better machine with custom-selected components." |
[12:31:58] | justinh: | argghhh ssh has slowed to to a damn crawl |
[12:32:07] | black_Nightmare_: | umm rofl its just a dumb typical plastic case with the small EMI shields in place |
[12:32:15] | black_Nightmare_: | :p |
[12:33:06] | black_Nightmare_: | but anyway I need to afk for some other things...dunno when I'll even be back ok? |
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[12:33:20] | directhex|work: | absorb the deep wisdom of that comment |
[12:33:23] | directhex|work: | bask in its glow |
[12:34:02] | mzb_d800: | whole new story if you don't use a frame-grabber, though |
[12:34:19] | mzb_d800: | and bN doesn't have *any* capture devices (yet) |
[12:34:39] | directhex|work: | is he living on the breadline or something? |
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[12:35:07] | directhex|work: | hell, that $200 machine wal-mart are selling would crush his puny antiques |
[12:35:07] | mzb_d800: | I guess so ... and I think his line is even lower than mine ;) |
[12:35:15] | mzb_d800: | (ps: my P3's don't suck *that* badly;) |
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[12:42:31] | Beirdo: | Had to reboot the linode for disk and memory upgrades |
[12:45:21] | directhex|work: | justinh, learn how to apply some of the tips on http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html ? |
[12:47:21] | justinh: | heheh |
[12:49:24] | ** directhex|work wants to go home & play videogames :( ** | |
[12:50:00] | justinh: | oh dear. you can fairly break a site with rewrite rules :P |
[12:51:40] | directhex|work: | yes, you can |
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[12:52:40] | justinh: | ah fack. the referrer string must be getting borked somewhere |
[12:53:53] | justinh: | nope. just my referrer string is wrong |
[12:54:49] | justinh: | heh. needed a (www\.) |
[13:00:27] | justinh: | RewriteRule !^index.shtml$ index.shtml [R] doesn't work. bah |
[13:02:11] | justinh: | RewriteRule !^index.shtml$ http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk/index.shtml [R] does though :D |
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[13:03:27] | directhex|work: | yes indeedy |
[13:03:44] | directhex|work: | see, it works! aren't i a sexy beast for setting you onto the idea! |
[13:03:54] | directhex|work: | [11:19] <directhex|work> justinh, you can use htaccess to do that – any request to any page where the referrer isn't your own site links to the frontpage |
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[13:13:05] | justinh: | directhex|work: I didn'tknow my host supported rewrite,or I'd have jumped on it there & then. ta anyway :D |
[13:14:15] | justinh: | oh dear I seem to have broke scripts leeching the tarballs from my site too :D |
[13:15:09] | directhex|work: | justinh, what about gentoo ebuilds? are any of those doing the dirty? |
[13:15:18] | justinh: | no idea |
[13:15:51] | justinh: | to hell with em. I want people to get the most current, from my site or bust |
[13:16:19] | directhex|work: | neither do i, it seems gentoo's package list has been busted for 2 months |
[13:17:46] | Dibblah: | Okay. In the spirit of off-topicness, I just ordered a projector to replace my aging Infocus X1... |
[13:17:54] | directhex|work: | 3 months, even |
[13:18:10] | Dibblah: | HD7100, 720p, £540 including delivery :) |
[13:19:41] | Dibblah: | Now, to hope that all of the reports of it being unreliable are just stateside issues :( |
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[13:58:23] | justinh: | woo The Wonder Years is on TMF now |
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[14:21:41] | ali1234: | does anybody use one of these: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/RGB_Scart with an nvidia card, and is able to play interlaced video with satifactory results? when i try it, it flips every seconds between playing the fields in the correct order, and playing them in the wrong order. |
[14:22:16] | ali1234: | i tried using bob deinterlacing, but that just halves the vertical resolution for some reason. |
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[14:27:28] | directhex|work: | try the flicker filter in the nvidia driver? |
[14:27:51] | justinh: | if you use an svideo nvidia out (or composite) crank the flicker filter to half |
[14:28:04] | justinh: | but not with RGB |
[14:28:13] | justinh: | you'll need to deinterlace, always |
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[14:28:47] | justinh: | even if you managed to get an interlaced modeline to work, the fields can end up in the wrong order & that looks worse than anything |
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[14:31:10] | ali1234: | flicker filter has nothing to do with it, but thanks for trying :) |
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[14:31:30] | ali1234: | that's only visible on the TV out, which I'm not using |
[14:31:36] | justinh: | flicker filter works if you use composite or svideo :D |
[14:31:57] | justinh: | try kernel deinterlacing |
[14:32:06] | justinh: | pity if you rely on xvmc though :P |
[14:32:10] | ali1234: | yeah. flicker filter should actually be labelled "blurring" |
[14:32:15] | justinh: | no |
[14:32:23] | justinh: | it's an adaptive filter, not blurring |
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[14:32:38] | ali1234: | deinterlacing is the problem. deinterlacing the video destroys the quality even worse than the nvidia flicker filter does |
[14:32:57] | justinh: | ffs nvidia flicker filter doesn't destroy the quality |
[14:33:09] | directhex|work: | what quality? interlaced video is already up *doodie* creek |
[14:33:10] | justinh: | neither does Bob |
[14:33:21] | ali1234: | it does if you compare it with a STb with proper interlaced RGB output |
[14:33:27] | justinh: | fuck that though |
[14:33:55] | directhex|work: | who has an interlaced screen in this millenium? |
[14:34:02] | justinh: | directhex|work: me ! |
[14:34:10] | directhex|work: | justinh, you're a luddite! |
[14:34:12] | ali1234: | people in the UK who dont want to pay for sky or NTL |
[14:34:15] | directhex|work: | go smash some looms! |
[14:34:17] | justinh: | I've yet to see a panel that looks good with SDTV |
[14:34:35] | directhex|work: | sky comes with a free lcd tv now? |
[14:34:45] | justinh: | and you don;t want to use bigger than a 32" screen with mpeg2 sdtv anyway |
[14:34:49] | justinh: | not if you hate Lego |
[14:35:18] | directhex|work: | i love lego! |
[14:35:21] | justinh: | directhex|work: so I'm a luddite. I like quality |
[14:35:27] | ali1234: | i totally agree |
[14:35:35] | justinh: | I love contrast |
[14:35:41] | justinh: | I love brightness |
[14:35:42] | directhex|work: | i have multiple HD sources, i feel no need to constrain myself to an SD set |
[14:35:55] | justinh: | HD in the UK doesn't exist |
[14:36:08] | directhex|work: | free broadcast hd doesn't |
[14:36:16] | directhex|work: | there's plenty of hd if you want it |
[14:36:20] | justinh: | high res telly comes from Sky |
[14:36:29] | justinh: | not what I'd call High Definition though ;) |
[14:36:47] | justinh: | mucky mpeg4 lego shite |
[14:37:05] | jduggan: | haha |
[14:37:19] | jduggan: | have you seen any virgin HD content |
[14:37:23] | justinh: | funny cos sky1 HD has a higher bitrate than bbc HD#, yet the beeb's quality is far superior |
[14:37:34] | justinh: | jduggan: wouldn't wanna |
[14:37:45] | ali1234: | this is all well and good, but is there really no way to guarantee that the interlaced fields are played in the right order when using RGB? |
[14:37:54] | justinh: | ali1234: get an ATI card :P |
[14:38:10] | justinh: | the vga-scart thing is a load of ducking shite |
[14:38:14] | ali1234: | if it will work, then i will |
[14:38:24] | justinh: | if you can make it work in linux :P |
[14:38:36] | ali1234: | well, didnt they just release new drivers? |
[14:38:39] | jduggan: | justinh: how come? Ive not seen any content either, but in my experience virgin cable quality is superior to sky's (sd) i'm just interested if the same goes for HD |
[14:38:58] | justinh: | jduggan: maybe it is, maybe it isn't |
[14:39:09] | justinh: | I just don't want yet another crashy box from Virgin |
[14:39:14] | jduggan: | heh |
[14:39:17] | directhex|work: | isn't all virgin hd recompressed mpeg2? |
[14:39:27] | jduggan: | mine has been fine for the last month or two |
[14:39:47] | ** directhex|work will stick with non-broadcast HD sources ** | |
[14:39:51] | justinh: | virgin HD is h.264 like everybody else |
[14:41:47] | justinh: | non-broadcast. heheheheh |
[14:42:41] | directhex|work: | meaning "happy little games consoles & movies" |
[14:42:45] | ali1234: | what i dont understand... why doesn't bob deint fix the problem? |
[14:43:49] | ali1234: | as i understand it, bob takes each fields and doubles the height. this should guarantee they are displayed in the right order? but when i turn it on, it looks like it is just throwing away one field. |
[14:43:50] | justinh: | ali1234: well, if your recordings are from channel five, myth has difficulty detecting the field type |
[14:44:24] | ali1234: | the show that gives me the most problems is match of the day |
[14:44:34] | justinh: | ah there's the problem! |
[14:44:43] | justinh: | you shouldn't watch sports |
[14:44:48] | ali1234: | i don't |
[14:44:50] | justinh: | they rot your brain |
[14:44:59] | adante: | hrm anybody here familiar with transcoding |
[14:45:13] | adante: | just wondering if resizing video has a substantial impact on transcode performance |
[14:45:15] | ali1234: | okay, the show that gives me the next most problems is star trek tng on bbc 2 :P |
[14:45:25] | justinh: | ali1234: seriously though nvidia keep breaking/unbreaking interlaced support |
[14:46:05] | ali1234: | okay, so is there a known good driver version? |
[14:46:06] | justinh: | AFAIK the only true interlaced PAL RGB video output from a VGA card comes from a Matrox thing. And that sucks in linux |
[14:46:13] | directhex|work: | ali1234, there's your problem, kirk was a much better captain |
[14:46:55] | justinh: | ali1234: maybe your modeline is broken |
[14:46:58] | directhex|work: | 1 x Dawn Of The Dead (1978) (Blu ray) (013138300881) = £13.99 |
[14:47:33] | justinh: | don't buy into that crap. man the revolution will never come if you hop on their bandwagon |
[14:48:14] | directhex|work: | the revolution will not be televised |
[14:48:35] | directhex|work: | it'll be on the 4 on demand service, in drm-coated WMV, sent out using your own bandwidth |
[14:48:49] | directhex|work: | the future's bright! |
[14:49:52] | justinh: | by then I hope I'm dead & buried |
[14:50:21] | justinh: | divorced by text message, living alone, die listening to radio 4. |
[14:50:54] | justinh: | but at least I'll be able to say I never bought a bluray or hd-dvd disc |
[14:51:39] | justinh: | god I know why nobody botheres theming mytharchive. holy poo on a stick |
[14:52:37] | directhex|work: | you won't be allowed to listen to radio 4. broadcast radio will be gone, and the bbc website will only work with wmp15 |
[14:53:28] | justinh: | lol. were you one of the 20 who protested outside bbc centre? |
[14:55:47] | justinh: | or one of the 600 people worldwide who use Linux to access the bbc website? ;) |
[14:56:58] | ali1234: | i just noticed that the guy who has the rgb scart schematics and modelines on his site also has a patch for mythtv frame sync |
[14:57:13] | justinh: | ali1234: no use |
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[14:57:28] | justinh: | the problem is that the video driver doesn't know which field it's on |
[14:57:42] | justinh: | and mythtv doesn't know which field it's on either |
[14:58:19] | justinh: | anyway, on my shitty little epia frontend, it doesn't look as good as RGB from an STB but it's not a million miles away |
[14:58:29] | justinh: | svideo, I mean |
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[14:58:58] | ali1234: | are you sure your tv has rgb? |
[14:59:03] | justinh: | absolutely |
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[14:59:20] | justinh: | some TVs cheat on their svideo inputs |
[14:59:32] | justinh: | i.e. they use a hack to convert it to composite on the way in |
[15:00:01] | tim__: | Good Morning All... I'm having a bit of an issue with Myth (MythDora) and using NVTV to get the output right on my TV. I am having to use the 640x480 (Huge) setting in NVTV to get the overscanning high enough to be able to size the Myth GUI to fit just right... the problem is, the GUI is getting a lot of ghosting/shadowing/streaking with that setting... 1024x768 (Normal) looks best, but it's too small to fill my screen... any sugges |
[15:00:01] | tim__: | tions? |
[15:00:15] | ben2: | hi i have two front ends and two backends both with sticks in working fine, i have another front/backend which im trying to connect it to, but it allways shows as not connected |
[15:00:18] | justinh: | tim__: if you have newer than a GF2 you don't wanna be using nvtv |
[15:00:31] | ben2: | i changed the database to the master and the master ip is correct |
[15:00:40] | ben2: | what else would i need to do> |
[15:00:56] | tim__: | justinh, ok, I have a GF3 Ti200.... what do you suggest? I cannot get any output to my TV unless I use NVTV... |
[15:01:13] | justinh: | tim__: <GF4 sucky sucky |
[15:01:44] | justinh: | < GF4 use chrontel TV encoder chips, which really blow. they're the reason the pvr350 had such a good name |
[15:03:00] | tim__: | justinh, I'm going to be getting a new card soon, but I was trying to get the output on this one working for the time being... maybe I should live with the strange GUI gfx until I get the new card... with a GF4+ will the S-Video output to the TV work by just connecting it w/o needing to use NVTV to turn it on and change the settings? I think the newer NVIDIA linux drivers support more TV out overscan options, too, is that right? |
[15:03:30] | justinh: | tim__: you can use nvidia-settings to change stuff like overscan |
[15:03:55] | tim__: | justinh, Do the legacy (GF3) drivers have that option, though? |
[15:03:57] | justinh: | to enable the tvout you need to change a couple of lines in xorg.conf – but maybe you can use nvidia-settings these days |
[15:04:05] | justinh: | tim__: don't think they do |
[15:04:16] | justinh: | for the price of a gf4 card it's not worth spending the time pissing about |
[15:04:31] | tim__: | justinh, You're right... I've wasted a lot of time on it already |
[15:05:32] | justinh: | I had a Geforce Ti something or other that needed nvtv |
[15:05:49] | justinh: | it'd only work right in 640x480 and overscan |
[15:05:56] | tim__: | justinh, That's what I'm seeing |
[15:06:03] | justinh: | 800x600 with overscan made it all weird colours on random lines |
[15:06:04] | tim__: | justinh, And the quality is horrible |
[15:06:11] | tim__: | justinh, I see the same thing |
[15:06:15] | justinh: | hey that's the TV encoder they used toblame |
[15:06:42] | tim__: | justinh, Right. Thank you for your help, I appreciate it. I won't waste anymore time on this card |
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[15:13:31] | justinh: | ali1234: all I'm saying is that yeah RGB is superb, but svideo is 'good enough'. my tv only has one rgb input anyway |
[15:13:55] | justinh: | and livetv in myth is next to unusable, so the mrs sticks by the cable STB |
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[15:14:22] | justinh: | anyway... |
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[15:20:37] | Lt_Dan: | anybody know of a way to force the node order for firewire devices? the rare times my myth with a firewire STB and firewire TV connected reboots, the nodes don't always come up in the same order and then myth can't record from the STB. |
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[15:21:22] | directhex|work: | udev rules |
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[15:23:37] | Lt_Dan: | ok, thx |
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[15:40:44] | seth|laptop: | hey, quick question, why woould mythtv prevent me from scheduling recordings. The menu comes up, and it lets me select all the options, but after save settings, it shows up as not recorded |
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[15:42:29] | Kritter: | this on screen or with mythweb and perhaps more to the point does the other method work? |
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[15:52:48] | Outlier: | Greetings all. I could use some advice. If I have a back-end serving 4–6 diskless front-ends, is it worth it to upgrade to SATA II drives? |
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[15:53:47] | quicksilver: | I very much doubt it |
[15:53:57] | quicksilver: | unless you have reason to think disk access is a bottleneck |
[15:54:09] | Outlier: | I don't know. |
[15:54:31] | quicksilver: | it would be surprising if it was |
[15:54:50] | quicksilver: | most SATA-generation HDs do 30MB/sec easily |
[15:54:56] | quicksilver: | 30MB/sec is a lot of video... |
[15:55:00] | Outlier: | Mostly, I'm serving up music, plus some standard def DVD, maybe one HD stream. |
[15:55:18] | quicksilver: | like I say, I"d be really surprised if you were disk limited |
[15:55:23] | quicksilver: | do you see stuttering ? |
[15:55:26] | quicksilver: | (or hear it) |
[15:55:34] | Outlier: | Not so far – but I'm early in the process |
[15:56:41] | Outlier: | My mobo died, and so I can either re-purpose an Asus 939 socket board with Sata-I drivers, or buy new board, memory, etc. The actual HD's are Sata II. |
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[16:01:33] | Outlier: | Hmm – so the disk does, say, 30MB/s. We've got 6 disks, so max that's 180MB/s. Sounds like the difference between 1.5GB/s and 3.0GB/s on the controller is irrellevent. |
[16:02:11] | ali1234: | i think 30MB is a little low for SATA-II is it not? maybe if you turn the accoustic control to max... |
[16:03:06] | Outlier: | Don't know, honestly. I'm just reluctant to set that jumper on the drives to throttle them down. But it sounds like you have to have a major number of drives to make SATA I vs. SATA II significant. |
[16:04:02] | ali1234: | or SSD drives... |
[16:04:10] | Outlier: | SSD? |
[16:04:36] | ali1234: | solid state. i hear they are a lot faster than conventional drives... at least for reading |
[16:05:25] | Outlier: | OK – sounds expensive though. |
[16:05:38] | ali1234: | yeah, and tiny as well |
[16:07:12] | ali1234: | 120MB/s, it says here... |
[16:07:34] | seth|laptop: | is it possible to just import the recorded shows only into a new mythtv install, .vs the entire database? |
[16:07:46] | Outlier: | Yeah – WD drives look like they have a buffer->host transfer rate around 150–300 MB/s |
[16:08:29] | ali1234: | seth|laptop: you'd still need the part of the database with the show information. you could probably cut that bit out by hand, and then copy the recordings manually |
[16:08:48] | seth|laptop: | i am not sure why, but I did a fresh install, imprted my mysql dump, but now I cannot schedule recordings |
[16:09:28] | ali1234: | i've not got around to looking into the myth database structure yet, so i don't really know how easy it would be |
[16:09:42] | seth|laptop: | i can see my existing recordings, but I cannot schedule anything new. It lets me go throught he motions, but then after it is done, it still shows up as "Not Recording" |
[16:09:58] | ali1234: | are you sure you have the permissions set up properly on the db? |
[16:10:00] | seth|laptop: | yet I can record, manually |
[16:10:13] | seth|laptop: | perhaps, where can I chack that |
[16:10:49] | ali1234: | it's not particularly easy to check (imho) |
[16:10:57] | ali1234: | how did you install? |
[16:11:46] | seth|laptop: | knoppmyth custom install, added my storage disks, changed permissions on them for mythtv:mythtv, then impported my previous mysql dump into mythconverg |
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[16:12:22] | ali1234: | well, i would expect knoppmyth to set up the database and everything properly... |
[16:12:26] | seth|laptop: | all recordings show up, i removed all tuner cards and re-added them, and then it lets me watch livetv, and record it manually, but when I go to schedule stuff, no results |
[16:12:30] | ali1234: | oh hang on |
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[16:12:57] | ali1234: | does your mysql dump from previous install contain the table that holds user passwords etc? |
[16:13:52] | seth|laptop: | well it was the whole thing, so i would guess yes |
[16:14:11] | ali1234: | was it though? it's a totally separate database... |
[16:14:15] | seth|laptop: | perhaps i need to change the passwd for user mythtv? |
[16:14:34] | seth|laptop: | i did mysqldump mythconverg > mythtv.sql |
[16:14:36] | ali1234: | perhaps... but not the linux password |
[16:15:15] | ali1234: | okay, then you didn't dump the user table, so that isn't the problem... |
[16:15:33] | seth|laptop: | perhaps its the password settings, (googles the procedure for changing mythtv password in mysql) |
[16:15:57] | seth|laptop: | well if i can connect to the db, the passwd should be correct? not? |
[16:16:22] | ali1234: | yes... it seems like you have read access but not write access... you could try to turn on logging in the mythtv settings |
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[16:18:35] | seth|laptop: | well I am running mythfrontend in a term now, should I try c\scheduling, and see if there is output? |
[16:20:09] | ali1234: | it's worth a shot i guess |
[16:20:42] | ali1234: | i was refering to the log in "system information" |
[16:24:09] | hashbang: | ali1234: I use a VGA->SCART; make sure you have decent modelines (See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . _to_my_TV.3F for some I just added) |
[16:25:08] | ali1234: | linear blend deint? |
[16:27:38] | hashbang: | ali1234: I'm using the nVidia 96.43.01 drivers with a GeForce 440MX – interlacing seems to work. I don't think it's possible to get the interlacing frame perfect without deinterlacing, since the card only generates vblank interrupts every other frame. |
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[16:27:55] | ali1234: | that makes no sense |
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[16:29:52] | ali1234: | i assume you mean every other field? but if that were true, there would be no problem displaying interlaced video, since the software puts both fields into the framebuffer simultaneously. the problem happens if the software puts out a new frame (2 fields) while the video card has only displayed the first field. but in order for that to happen, it must be getting a vblank every field, or 2 per frame |
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[16:30:42] | hashbang: | ali1234: sorry, yes, every other field. |
[16:32:15] | ali1234: | and do you not find that deinterlacing the video has a worse impact on picture quality than just using composite video? |
[16:32:28] | hashbang: | ali1234: I think the way it works is that the MPEG is 50Hz, the output is 25Hz interlaced, and Myth only gets a 25Hz vblank interrupt from the card, so it needs to guess whether the display is showing the odd or the even field. |
[16:32:42] | hashbang: | ali1234: nope, composite totally sucks. |
[16:32:45] | ali1234: | no, that's toally backwards |
[16:33:28] | seth|laptop: | so what is the syntax for giving a user read and write access to a mysql database |
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[16:34:26] | hashbang: | ali1234: composite is much blurrier (for me, at least) than deinterlaced video, doesn't fill the whole screen, no scanline accuracy |
[16:34:28] | ali1234: | as i understand it, the mpeg is 25Hz, and the display is 25Hz, and the video card splits out the two fields from a single (interleaved) framebuffer. but unfortunately the crappy nvidia driver sends two vblanks per frame instead of 1 |
[16:35:51] | ali1234: | also, i can;t use linear blend as i need to use XvMC to get anything like a decent picture |
[16:36:01] | hashbang: | ali1234: are you SD or HD? |
[16:36:04] | ali1234: | SD |
[16:36:16] | hashbang: | ali1234: SD DVB-T works fine here on a Celeron 1.7 |
[16:36:30] | ali1234: | well i have an athlon xp 1600 |
[16:36:47] | ali1234: | but cpu usage is not the issue. |
[16:36:50] | hashbang: | and XvMC messes up the editing anyway. |
[16:37:14] | ali1234: | i dont care about editing. i just want the picture quality to be the same as my STB which has RGB |
[16:37:19] | hashbang: | I can't tell any difference in the output quality between the standard and XvMC. What do you notice? |
[16:37:26] | ali1234: | hmm... |
[16:38:16] | hashbang: | blurry? blocky? |
[16:38:20] | ali1234: | well, my housemate watching match of the day compared it to roadrunner cartoons, where all you see instead of legs, is a blurry cloud |
[16:38:35] | ali1234: | it's quite blocky too |
[16:38:44] | hashbang: | ali1234: what's your output resolution? |
[16:38:53] | ali1234: | 720x576 |
[16:39:05] | hashbang: | 4:3 TV or 16:9? |
[16:39:10] | ali1234: | 16:9 |
[16:39:17] | hashbang: | use the 1024x576 modeline |
[16:39:25] | hashbang: | and don't use the GUI size settings for TV output |
[16:39:34] | hashbang: | (i.e. don't scale the image) |
[16:39:40] | hashbang: | also, what nVidia driver? |
[16:39:53] | ali1234: | hmm... the one that comes with ubuntu 6.10 |
[16:40:22] | hashbang: | ali1234: as has been mentioned already, nVidia keep introducing regressions in their driver |
[16:41:12] | hashbang: | ali1234: but 96.43.01 from ATrpms works on FC8rc3, as did 8776 on FC4 |
[16:41:44] | hashbang: | latest myth+96.43.01+FC8rc3 seems better quality, though. |
[16:41:51] | ali1234: | i can't stand FC. too many rpm messups back in the day |
[16:42:07] | hashbang: | ali1234: follow the fedora mythology faq and you can't go wrong. |
[16:42:26] | ali1234: | well, i'm going to reinstall anyway |
[16:42:29] | hashbang: | ali1234: and be careful of which repositories you pull packages and updates from. |
[16:43:38] | ali1234: | do you happen to know if either mythbuntu or mythdora use a known-good version of nvidia driver? |
[16:43:46] | hashbang: | ali1234: no idea, sorry |
[16:44:09] | hashbang: | ali1234: it took me quite a few back on FC4 before I found one that did interlacing properly, and didn't just double the fields on the output. |
[16:44:16] | Dr_Willis: | ali1234 we are discissing the nvidia driver in #kubuntu right now. |
[16:44:32] | Dr_Willis: | its not the latest one. but it works for me for my 5500, 6800, and 8800 machines |
[16:44:35] | hashbang: | ali1234: luckily 96.43.01 hit the jackpot first time here. |
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[16:44:59] | hashbang: | ali1234: anyway, I've got a train to catch. I might pop on later if you have more Qs. |
[16:45:12] | ali1234: | the thing is... for me interlacing works perfectly when it randomly gets the fields in the right order. the output truely is exactly as good as my STB. but every couple of seconds it drifts in and out |
[16:45:27] | seth|laptop: | i just ran mythrebuilddb.pl still can't schedule recordings |
[16:45:44] | seth|laptop: | all I can do is manually record everything |
[16:45:55] | hashbang: | ali1234: check your modeline is perfectly compliant with PAL specs, check rtprio is enabled |
[16:46:13] | ali1234: | i will try out the modelines you posted, thanks |
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[16:46:49] | hashbang: | ali1234: and, of course, it's possible your card is slightly off-spec. |
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[16:50:39] | ByteChanger: | is there a trick to getting hauppauges nexus remote to work? Only the numbers seem to get a reaction... |
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[16:50:58] | Kritter: | this doesn't come up in a quick search, will built in handle .mkv? |
[16:51:15] | ByteChanger: | Im using the av7110 utility to load the ir driver |
[16:52:04] | ByteChanger: | I'm not using lirc which i think doesnt work for this remote |
[16:52:10] | ali1234: | ByteChanger: it appears as an input device, yeah? |
[16:52:31] | ByteChanger: | yes, input #4 specifically... |
[16:52:37] | ali1234: | so, pressing the number keys is like pressing the number keys on any other keyboard |
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[16:52:43] | ByteChanger: | correct... |
[16:53:13] | ali1234: | but when you press the other keys, mythtv doesnt pick them up... although an xevent is generated |
[16:53:15] | ByteChanger: | the evtest utility shows all the keypreses, so i think the driver is loaded properly & working... |
[16:53:21] | ali1234: | yes |
[16:53:27] | ali1234: | i have exactly the same problem |
[16:53:31] | ByteChanger: | not sure about the xevent, but yes, only channel changes... |
[16:53:47] | ByteChanger: | (using the # keys) |
[16:53:53] | ByteChanger: | you using av7110 also? |
[16:54:28] | ali1234: | no, i'm using a cheapola usb dvb-t receiver which happens to have an event based driver for it's remote |
[16:54:56] | ali1234: | it just seems that myth wont allow you to set anything other than alpha numerics as shortcut keys |
[16:55:19] | ByteChanger: | hmmm, i was looking for a remote file in Myth, but no luck... just the .rc5 file |
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[16:56:29] | ByteChanger: | there was a keys.txt file which showed the naming convention myth looks for, but nothing else... i recheck, but i thought the key-name association was ok in the .rc5 file... |
[16:57:16] | ByteChanger: | i was at this point last mythtv attempt (March), but got stuck here and gave up... Thought I'd give it another shot... |
[16:57:25] | ByteChanger: | Its a nasty hurdle to get past... |
[16:57:40] | ali1234: | the only solution i found was to use the lirc xevent tool to turn the input events into alpha numeric events. this is not a good solution though |
[16:58:06] | ByteChanger: | ahh, you found a soultion of sorts? |
[16:58:15] | ali1234: | yes it's a terrible hack though |
[16:58:32] | GreyFoxx: | Or save yourself the agrivation and buy a MCE remote. I had mine up and running in 5 minutes maximum using the example configs I found on the wiki |
[16:58:33] | ByteChanger: | I'm up for bubble gum fixes or terrible hacks right now... LOL |
[16:58:48] | ByteChanger: | hmmmm. maybe that would be the way to go. |
[16:58:49] | ali1234: | i really wish people would stop saying "just buy this" |
[16:59:08] | ByteChanger: | hehe... sometimes its the best solution tho.... |
[16:59:12] | ali1234: | do you realise that the MCE remote costs more than i paid for my whole myth computer? |
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[16:59:14] | GreyFoxx: | ali1234: If you are a person who values your time over troubleshooting then it might be best for you |
[16:59:19] | GreyFoxx: | ali1234: So ? |
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[16:59:44] | GreyFoxx: | I paid $38 CDN for my MCE remote, if you paid less than that for your PC then you should have saved enough money to buy the remote :) |
[16:59:44] | ByteChanger: | uhhh, how much are they? |
[16:59:56] | ByteChanger: | ah... ok... i can swing that... |
[17:00:38] | GreyFoxx: | Of course, if I was a brokeass student like I use to be I would be willing to spend hours and days trying to get the free stuff working |
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[17:02:14] | ali1234: | if i had money to burn i'd just buy a PVR. they are only about twice what the MCE remote costs, and they are quieter and more reliable than any (windows/mac/linux) pvr computer... also they can output RGB properly |
[17:02:32] | justinh: | heh in terms of cost, my new frontend is going to be way more than twice the cpu power & about half the price. |
[17:03:07] | GreyFoxx: | Quieter and cheaper maybe, most I've seen are less reliable, and have far less features |
[17:03:14] | justinh: | ali1234: I wouldn't say they're more reliable than a PC solution. you have no idea how many colleagues of mine have had theirs in trying to retrieve recordings from corrupted filesystems |
[17:03:30] | ByteChanger: | ali1234: Where is that xevent? I'm searching in lirc but not seeing it.. |
[17:03:31] | justinh: | and they can't play network videos / music / dvd |
[17:03:32] | GreyFoxx: | And there comes a happy medium between cheap and learning/interesting exploring I fignd |
[17:03:48] | justinh: | I'd have one myself if they weren't all so crap :) |
[17:03:49] | ali1234: | ByteChanger: i think it's called xirw and it's in a separate package to lirc |
[17:03:54] | GreyFoxx: | I work on myth cause I find it fun and interesting |
[17:04:06] | GreyFoxx: | but I wont spend weeks on something like a remote |
[17:04:16] | justinh: | I use myth because it's so versamatile. and I like doodling with themes & crap |
[17:04:19] | GreyFoxx: | not when a "cheap" option is availabnle |
[17:04:33] | GreyFoxx: | Though to be fair, I would like to see myth more stable for more people |
[17:04:38] | justinh: | besides, you can't yet buy a 3 tuner Freeview DVR |
[17:04:53] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: IME it couldn't be much more reliable |
[17:05:22] | justinh: | I dunno what all the crashy guys are doing ;) |
[17:05:45] | ali1234: | probably trying to use half dead motherboards |
[17:05:52] | jheizer: | I run stable for weeks and weeks |
[17:06:00] | GreyFoxx: | I've got 1 crashy bug that I can reproduce, seems to be a race condition that doesn't occur all the time with a debugger but happens consistantly with no debugger |
[17:06:05] | jheizer: | more problems with my crappy apt cable going out |
[17:06:08] | justinh: | my first backend used a resurrected badcaps motherboard |
[17:06:22] | justinh: | the current one is one which also had badcaps & the Vcore reg had blown up |
[17:06:28] | jheizer: | haha |
[17:06:43] | jheizer: | my mbe is a dual athlon from back in the day |
[17:07:25] | justinh: | it's got a huge chuffing wire on the Vcore rail taking the output of the reg to a big inductor, caps & the big PTH via on the board |
[17:07:33] | justinh: | cos the track'd burnt out |
[17:07:47] | xris: | weird. backend creates its own recording schedules now... |
[17:07:47] | justinh: | bah doggy wants to play |
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[17:08:08] | justinh: | xris: you only gone & installed MythTaste haven't you? ;) |
[17:08:37] | xris: | my simpsons schedule replicates. :) |
[17:09:17] | ByteChanger: | ali1234: Does that xirw get all the other buttons working on your remote? |
[17:09:29] | ali1234: | yes |
[17:09:47] | ali1234: | it converts the wacky events into alphanumerics |
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[17:09:48] | ByteChanger: | sweet. d/led it now and I'll check it out. Thanks for the tip |
[17:10:33] | ByteChanger: | scarey... old program from 2003... hehe |
[17:10:54] | ali1234: | the "wacky" events work the same way as multimedia buttons on keyboards... so eg volume controls, "internet" button |
[17:11:16] | ali1234: | gnome shortcuts allows you to map things to those events directly, so i dont know why mythtv can't |
[17:12:12] | ali1234: | hmm xirw is the wrong program |
[17:12:39] | ByteChanger: | ooo.... ok |
[17:13:06] | ali1234: | though you may find it useful to find out the button names when you configure the other program... which im looking up now |
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[17:14:05] | dserban: | Unrelated, but how are the Logitech Harmony remotes? Wonder how good it would integrate with a mythbox and a whole slew of audio/video devices? |
[17:14:10] | ali1234: | this is what you need: http://lirc.org/html/irxevent.html |
[17:14:52] | dserban: | I'm also looking for a remote av selector since there are a few game systems ... |
[17:15:49] | bsdfox_: | bah, you gotta get up to change games anywyas :P |
[17:16:34] | ByteChanger: | thanks al11234 |
[17:16:55] | dserban: | bsdfox_, heh yeah, but you still need to switch the inputs... so... meh they all look cheap and icky |
[17:17:52] | kslater: | dserban – you mean like an HDMI N -> 1? |
[17:20:42] | dserban: | well maybe... I'd need component right away, but ... meh I don't know. I'm still in the planning stages... have the computer built, but I'm still confused on the remote options and controls ... ie an irman for every device, but I have no clue if lirc can send remote events to all of the different components... and if i can control an av selector via myth, that'd be excellent (it's dual head so yeah I'd want that too)... wow I |
[17:20:42] | dserban: | need coffee, nothing's making sense. |
[17:21:08] | justinh: | trust MePo to have all the titlestrings |
[17:21:20] | justinh: | that theme is a flippin swot! |
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[17:23:20] | justinh: | bah they still don't work though |
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[17:23:34] | squidly: | is there a way I can get mythmsic to update it's database from the command line? |
[17:24:42] | justinh: | squidly: nope |
[17:25:02] | squidly: | justinh: blast :( |
[17:25:14] | squidly: | is there a way I can import it? |
[17:25:37] | justinh: | don't reckon there is |
[17:25:51] | xris: | just let it sit and scan overnight if you have a lot of stuff |
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[17:26:00] | justinh: | there was once a script to load .m3u playlists into mythmusic but that was all IIRC |
[17:26:13] | bsdfox_: | anyone got advice on removing/eliminating 'stranded' files? (meaning they have no entry in the database) I seem to get them randomly and have to manually go through and clean up.. it's the only thing I can't do from the frontend |
[17:26:33] | justinh: | bsdfox_: there's a script for that in /contrib |
[17:26:45] | justinh: | which if you use packages prolly won't be supplied |
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[17:27:10] | willg_: | Scuse me, anyone have any tips for playing videos from mythvideo from a shared windows drive? |
[17:27:14] | bsdfox_: | I'm on gentoo.. have svn source :) |
[17:27:18] | xris: | bsdfox_: you sure they're not livetv recordings? |
[17:27:22] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, what if one truncated the music entries with a mysql script, and then started a seperate instance of "mythfrontend mythmusic"? Granted, not exactly all command line, but that might at least get it updated from a script, no? |
[17:27:27] | bsdfox_: | xris: yeah |
[17:27:44] | bsdfox_: | livetv should expire in a day, these are mostly 2 weeks old |
[17:27:54] | xris: | bsdfox_: then yeah, there's a script in contrib to re-import files into the db.. forget what it's called. |
[17:27:56] | iamlindoro: | meh, never mind, I didn't think that through |
[17:28:19] | xris: | bsdfox_: just make sure they're not in the db, and not just hidden in the frontend... there's a new flag to keep deleted files around, too. |
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[17:28:37] | bsdfox_: | ok |
[17:28:40] | squidly: | xris: I kinda wanna force an import now for mythmusic.. would restarting the backend do it? |
[17:28:52] | xris: | squidly: mythmusic lives in the frontend |
[17:28:59] | bsdfox_: | I don't really want to reimport files though, I'd rather delete them but maybe I can modify it |
[17:29:08] | xris: | squidly: utils/setup -> Music |
[17:29:20] | squidly: | xris: that is what I though.. damn.. dont wanna rape my dsl line.. |
[17:29:23] | justinh: | squidly: if you don't live by tags you can just elect to browse files & ignore tags. that does away with the need to scan IIRC |
[17:29:29] | xris: | squidly: what does that have to do with dsl? |
[17:29:34] | xris: | mythmusic looks at local files |
[17:29:53] | squidly: | xris: the frontend would rape my home connection.. |
[17:30:05] | xris: | remote frontend? |
[17:30:11] | squidly: | I'm at work and I could pull up the frontend but that would kill my already stressed dsl line |
[17:30:15] | squidly: | yep |
[17:30:21] | justinh: | yeesh |
[17:30:30] | xris: | blech. just use amarok |
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[17:30:57] | squidly: | xris: lol.. I like amarok.. I would do that, but I'm using myth as a total media center at home |
[17:31:02] | squidly: | including my music |
[17:31:32] | bsdfox_: | heh, just cleaned up 40gb worth of 7 stranded files.. my whole backend only has 110gb for storage :\ |
[17:31:47] | xris: | squidly: I think your key there was "at home" |
[17:31:58] | xris: | myth isn't designed for remote operation |
[17:32:09] | squidly: | xris: yea I know. |
[17:32:16] | justinh: | arghhh wtf is up with this? I've put the <image mode="ARCHIVEFORMAT">title/title_archive.png</image> line in but it's not having it :-\ |
[17:32:30] | squidly: | I have the files on my work lappy, I just wanted to import them for mythweb |
[17:33:02] | squidly: | a couple of friends wanna grab them. |
[17:33:16] | xris: | I really need to get those flv people to write me a nice flv music player for mythweb |
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[17:33:31] | squidly: | flv? |
[17:33:53] | justinh: | ahhh I needed ARCHIVESELECT. one day I'm gonna document this so help me |
[17:34:20] | justinh: | squidly: sharing music is wrong :P |
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[17:34:58] | squidly: | justinh: not when they already have payed for the CD's and they just want to stream from my box to thier work computer. |
[17:35:26] | xris: | squidly: er, swf |
[17:35:33] | justinh: | you never 'own' the music, even when you've already paid for the CD |
[17:36:02] | Beirdo: | justinh, unless of course it is music you yourself wrote and performed, and you have no contract with a record label :) |
[17:36:06] | squidly: | justinh: correct, but we both own the cd, she just left it at home. |
[17:36:11] | justinh: | if you and you only wanted to use a rip of the cd you'd bought it could be construed as fair use |
[17:36:28] | justinh: | Beirdo: heheh of course, but how likely is that |
[17:36:36] | Beirdo: | ummmm, not terribly :) |
[17:37:08] | justinh: | oh MAN now I really know why nobody bothers theming mytharchive. so many xml files for just one plugin. damn! |
[17:37:42] | squidly: | lol justinh |
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[17:40:10] | justinh: | and you can't just Esc back to the last screen & reload the window to see changes you made to the 'last' in the line. ooooo no. you have to go all the way back in from the main menu. the pain, the pain.. |
[17:40:42] | squidly: | justinh: that sucks.. :( |
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[17:41:46] | justinh: | yeah well thankfully this isn't something I'll have to do often |
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[17:43:21] | squidly: | justinh: heh. |
[17:43:43] | squidly: | I need to get off my but and start working on a fix for mythweather to pull from the xml feed for the us |
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[17:44:50] | Beirdo: | oh this should be fun. |
[17:45:01] | squidly: | Beirdo: how so? |
[17:45:08] | Beirdo: | apt-get dist-upgrade on my linode for the first time in a while |
[17:45:21] | squidly: | Beirdo: umm..ouch? |
[17:45:26] | Beirdo: | fetched 115MB in 46s |
[17:45:35] | Beirdo: | I wish my bandwidth was that good at home |
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[17:46:05] | squidly: | lol |
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[17:47:06] | justinh: | squidly: only worthwhile doing that for mythweather in SVN. in 0.20 there are several reasons it's not worth it. one of those reasons is that it breaches a site's T&Cs |
[17:48:24] | justinh: | so unless you want to backport mythweather from trunk, just sit tight til (whenever) 0.21 |
[17:52:07] | Beirdo: | "Can't connect to local MySQL server" |
[17:52:14] | squidly: | justinh: the usgs T&C |
[17:52:21] | Beirdo: | yeah, no kidding, it's being upgraded, but it's SUPPOSED to retry |
[17:52:27] | squidly: | legaly they can not deny any info if they give out a xml feed |
[17:52:50] | squidly: | iirc |
[17:52:53] | squidly: | I have to double check |
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[17:54:51] | iamlindoro: | hmmm, did --enable-opengl-vsync get folded in to --enable-opengl-video in trunk? |
[17:55:53] | iamlindoro: | erm, no, it didn't, I just spelled it wrong, hahaha |
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[17:57:13] | Beirdo: | heh |
[17:58:12] | Beirdo: | damn... our irclog table is 457MB |
[17:58:21] | bsdfox_: | anyone happen to have mythweather working? |
[17:58:45] | jams: | not me. |
[17:58:52] | jams: | i blame perl |
[17:59:24] | bsdfox_: | I read that it was msnbc's fault |
[17:59:32] | bsdfox_: | changed their API or something |
[17:59:46] | Dr_willis: | MS patented weather... so we cant use it any more |
[17:59:46] | Dr_willis: | :) |
[17:59:49] | jams: | oh i'm talking about the "new" mythweather |
[17:59:53] | squidly: | bsdfox_: it's not going to be working until .21 |
[17:59:57] | squidly: | Dr_willis: lol |
[18:00:13] | Dr_willis: | You now have to sign a EULA befor looking out the window. |
[18:01:02] | johndbritton: | ive got my backend to do commflagging... when i check the jobqueue status from mythweb i see the the jobs have finished, however most of them are finished with this message "Finished, 139 break(s) found." while others (only a few) have 2 or 3 breaks found. Im unable to skip commercials on the shows where 139 breaks were found, but I am able to skip commercials on the other shows. Anyone know what is happening here or have any i |
[18:01:22] | bsdfox_: | damn |
[18:01:33] | bsdfox_: | when should .21 be out |
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[18:01:59] | squidly: | bsdfox_: umm.. when its ready I think. I have no idea in all honisty |
[18:02:08] | bsdfox_: | :P |
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[18:04:29] | justinh: | wooo got my new motherboard :D |
[18:04:42] | squidly: | justinh: what mobo? |
[18:04:58] | justinh: | i945GMm-HL |
[18:05:24] | squidly: | ahh nice |
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[18:07:18] | justinh: | picked it up for $silly price on ebay |
[18:07:24] | iamlindoro: | johndbritton, I've only seem that kind of thing on my system when there's a horribly damaged MPEG-2 stream for whatever reason (Poor reception, problems at the cableco, etc) |
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[18:07:56] | Beirdo: | there. Running the latest code now |
[18:07:59] | justinh: | cpu should come soon, then I just need some ram, then time to start out on the voyage of making it worky |
[18:08:08] | Beirdo: | dangit! |
[18:08:17] | squidly: | justinh: heh |
[18:08:20] | Beirdo: | it still linked against the mysql 4.0.24 client libs?! |
[18:08:24] | johndbritton: | iamlindoro: it seems to be playing back allright, sometimes the video shakes up and down at the beginning and end.. im using a PVR-500 hardware encoder |
[18:08:29] | squidly: | I need to get a ne mobo for my server |
[18:08:56] | squidly: | johndbritton: what version, of the pvt-500 and what version of ivtv are you using.. |
[18:08:57] | justinh: | johndbritton: maybe the show with hundreds of breaks is one with loads of fades to black |
[18:09:05] | iamlindoro: | johndbritton, yeah, sometimes I find that it's a lot more tolerant to playing than commflagging... but I only see that kind of problem very very infrequently, so I may be of no help |
[18:09:08] | justinh: | commflagging seldom works in the UK, for sure |
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[18:10:04] | johndbritton: | justinh: they all have 139 breaks, or they have 2 or 3 |
[18:10:11] | johndbritton: | the ones with just a few work |
[18:10:16] | justinh: | heh |
[18:10:17] | johndbritton: | but the 139 are the broken ones |
[18:10:38] | johndbritton: | squidly: how can i find out my versions |
[18:11:35] | squidly: | johndbritton: lspci -vv |
[18:11:48] | squidly: | that is the hardware version, the ivtv let me double check that |
[18:12:23] | squidly: | man ivtvctl or ivtv-tunes -h shows the version |
[18:12:29] | squidly: | i'm useing ivtv1.5 |
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[18:16:22] | Beirdo: | sigh. OK, this SHOULD be the last time |
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[18:16:52] | Beirdo: | MySQL client 5.0.22 |
[18:16:54] | Beirdo: | yay! |
[18:17:16] | Beirdo: | had to apt-get install libmysqlclient15-dev to replace the 12-dev |
[18:17:23] | ** Beirdo is an idiot, it seems ** | |
[18:18:58] | johndbritton: | squidly: its hardware rev 01 |
[18:19:13] | johndbritton: | is that what you wanted to know |
[18:20:20] | squidly: | let me check |
[18:20:40] | squidly: | Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01 |
[18:20:50] | squidly: | that is my pvr-150 (the 500 is 2 150's one the same card) |
[18:22:16] | squidly: | what version of ivtv are you useing? |
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[18:27:34] | johndbritton: | chceking now |
[18:28:28] | johndbritton: | there is no man entry for ivtvctl and ivtv-tunes -h says "command not found" |
[18:28:45] | squidly: | ivtv-tune |
[18:29:21] | johndbritton: | ivtv-tune is not currently installed, can be installed via apt-get |
[18:29:29] | johndbritton: | should i install it? |
[18:29:54] | squidly: | johndbritton: what distro are you useing? |
[18:30:03] | johndbritton: | mythbuntu |
[18:30:10] | squidly: | ahh ok |
[18:30:51] | squidly: | then that is a differnt thing.. I think they use ivtv. but I instlled myth with out ivtv. on my lappy (ubuntu as well) |
[18:30:55] | squidly: | let me think |
[18:31:11] | johndbritton: | ok |
[18:31:17] | johndbritton: | im stumped by this |
[18:33:16] | squidly: | johndbritton: what exacly is happening? |
[18:35:23] | seth|laptop: | ok, so my new mythbackend(master) is still being seen as a slave, so where do i change this setting, so tht it knows its master |
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[18:36:12] | tcpsyn_: | I'm having a hard time compiling svn on my gutsy box. |
[18:36:15] | tcpsyn_: | QT is pissed. |
[18:36:20] | seth|laptop: | this i am guessing is from the old mythconverg import settings |
[18:36:26] | tcpsyn_: | I installed the qt3->qt4 compat package |
[18:36:33] | tcpsyn_: | but is there anything else I need to do? |
[18:36:37] | tcpsyn_: | I know I"ve seen this before. |
[18:37:19] | johndbritton: | seth|laptop: in your mythtv configuration, there is a setting for the ip address of the master backend |
[18:37:32] | seth|laptop: | gotcha |
[18:37:34] | johndbritton: | make sure that that is set to the same as the ip address for that machine |
[18:37:35] | seth|laptop: | thnks |
[18:37:42] | seth|laptop: | been a while since i meddled with this rthing |
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[18:38:08] | johndbritton: | sometimes 127.0.0.1 is used, and in the other field a 192 or similar ip is used, the system doesnt know |
[18:39:26] | johndbritton: | squidly: the problem is that after my recordings finish, they are commflagged, but the vast majority of the recordings commflags dont work (i cant skip the commercials) the ones that dont work all show a status of "Finished, 139 break(s) found." the ones that do allow me to skip the commercials say that 3 or 4 or some other normal number of breaks were found |
[18:42:04] | squidly: | johndbritton: ok.. that sounds like an issue with the type of comercial flagging you are using |
[18:42:17] | squidly: | johndbritton: try different types of commercial flagging |
[18:42:49] | johndbritton: | squidly: will do |
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[18:42:58] | johndbritton: | im using "all" no |
[18:42:58] | johndbritton: | w |
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[18:48:21] | tcpsyn_: | I got it. |
[18:48:23] | tcpsyn_: | damn qtdir |
[18:49:25] | squidly: | johndbritton: it could be getting confused. |
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[18:49:42] | squidly: | check with the mythbuntu people they may have a fix |
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[18:50:37] | tcpsyn_: | anyone know how to mess with the myth upnp config? |
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[18:51:17] | squidly: | tcpsyn_: nope sorry I dont like upnp. dont trust it ;) |
[18:52:05] | squidly: | anyone use xen with mythbackends? |
[18:55:29] | cal: | whats xen |
[18:56:16] | tcpsyn_: | virtualization |
[18:56:18] | squidly: | xen is a virtulization system. |
[18:57:00] | justinh: | virtualisation is the latest craze to hit linux users since compiz |
[18:57:03] | squidly: | it uses a modified linux kernel to allow multiple OS's to be run on the same computer. Kind of like vmware |
[18:57:16] | tcpsyn_: | justinh, except virtualization is useful. |
[18:57:23] | squidly: | tcpsyn_: lol |
[18:57:25] | justinh: | er.. _can_ be useful |
[18:57:29] | tcpsyn_: | right. |
[18:57:35] | tcpsyn_: | I'm a vmware fan. |
[18:57:40] | tcpsyn_: | vmware me up. |
[18:57:48] | justinh: | not necessarily when you have to pass tuner card stuff across layers etc |
[18:57:55] | squidly: | tcpsyn_: with what I do I need a lab, |
[18:58:11] | squidly: | justinh: it should work across the layers |
[18:58:17] | tcpsyn_: | I don't see how it would. |
[18:58:24] | justinh: | squidly: yeah but how well it works is up for debate |
[18:58:35] | justinh: | I wouldn't expect much from it |
[18:58:39] | tcpsyn_: | Maybe a usb tuner |
[18:58:42] | squidly: | justinh: have you tried myth wiht xen? |
[18:58:48] | justinh: | why would I? |
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[18:58:59] | justinh: | I don't jump on every bandwagon as it goes past me |
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[18:59:32] | squidly: | justinh: I've been using virtual servers for years.. mostly in my own lab because of it's much cheaper |
[18:59:45] | tcpsyn_: | yeah, virtualization rocks. |
[18:59:48] | tcpsyn_: | but... |
[18:59:50] | tcpsyn_: | not for media. |
[18:59:56] | justinh: | can't see it being much use for mythtv |
[18:59:58] | justinh: | if any |
[18:59:59] | tcpsyn_: | right |
[19:00:26] | Beirdo: | I could see it being useful for a backend that just does commflagging or something |
[19:00:28] | squidly: | justinh: well I was looking at having one system wiht low memory for my frontend and having another "box" be the backend |
[19:00:32] | tcpsyn_: | I work in a datacenter, and I can't even understand why they have production VMs. |
[19:00:39] | tcpsyn_: | VMs are for testing. |
[19:00:45] | justinh: | put it this way – you want a low risk way to try out mythtv, so you decide on doing that in a virtual environment. then you find it doesn't work very well. you're stuck at square one |
[19:01:01] | Beirdo: | hehe, that's true |
[19:01:16] | Beirdo: | tcpsyn_, my home servers are all virtualized |
[19:01:26] | tcpsyn_: | right. |
[19:01:28] | squidly: | tcpsyn_: sometimes its useful. I've seen where having a production vm keep a site up |
[19:01:28] | tcpsyn_: | your HOME servers. |
[19:01:34] | tcpsyn_: | not your production database servers. |
[19:01:37] | Beirdo: | I would do it at work too |
[19:01:41] | Beirdo: | not for Oracle though |
[19:01:44] | tcpsyn_: | right |
[19:01:52] | squidly: | i would never use a vm for a db server |
[19:01:52] | Beirdo: | Oracle is a machine hog |
[19:02:01] | Beirdo: | I would for mysql (and have) |
[19:02:03] | squidly: | something like a webserver or an email server ya |
[19:02:13] | tcpsyn_: | oracle is the worst product I have ever seen. |
[19:02:20] | Beirdo: | I have on my development machine MySQL 3.23, 4.0, 4.1, 5.0 |
[19:02:27] | squidly: | I would virtualize those in a heart beat.. |
[19:02:29] | Beirdo: | all in their own little worlds |
[19:02:32] | squidly: | tcpsyn_: oracle is not that messy.. |
[19:02:32] | justinh: | virtualisation obviously has its uses, sure. but there's no getting away from the fact that every kid & his dog is using it now, and not always in the applications it's best suited to. the ole flavour of the month factor |
[19:02:47] | tcpsyn_: | right. |
[19:02:49] | squidly: | justinh: correct.. |
[19:02:51] | tcpsyn_: | but it is cool as hell. |
[19:03:03] | tcpsyn_: | there's no arguing that. |
[19:03:09] | squidly: | tcpsyn_: lol |
[19:03:17] | justinh: | mythtv in a vm.. good luck! |
[19:03:25] | Beirdo: | heh. MythTV isn't high on the list of good uses for VMs |
[19:03:26] | squidly: | justinh: it could work. |
[19:03:32] | justinh: | GOOD LUCK |
[19:03:35] | Beirdo: | it should run fine in a dom0 in xen |
[19:03:42] | squidly: | but no the backend. I would put the backend on dom0 |
[19:03:45] | Beirdo: | in a domU... might be tricky |
[19:03:47] | squidly: | and use domU for the frontend;s |
[19:03:55] | justinh: | why? |
[19:03:58] | Beirdo: | that could work |
[19:03:58] | tcpsyn_: | I use windows in a vm |
[19:04:05] | tcpsyn_: | for that fantastic stuff I have to do on windows. |
[19:04:09] | justinh: | I've never seen a frontend take a whole box down |
[19:04:29] | squidly: | justinh: becasue this will be fore more then just a mythbox |
[19:04:34] | squidly: | and I want to seperate things |
[19:05:02] | squidly: | and I'm going to have multiple frontends |
[19:05:09] | justinh: | people have more than enough bother getting lirc to work on real life hardware let alone vm stuff |
[19:05:18] | tcpsyn_: | i'm trying to cook sausage... it's not working out so well for me. |
[19:05:20] | justinh: | and video. and audio |
[19:05:41] | squidly: | tcpsyn_: lol |
[19:05:59] | squidly: | justinh: I was not even looking at lirc right now though.. perhasp later on yea.. |
[19:06:26] | justinh: | I repeat.. good luck with that |
[19:07:52] | tcpsyn_: | so about the upnp |
[19:07:59] | tcpsyn_: | anyone know how to mess with it? |
[19:08:17] | jargonjustin: | I'm trying to get a Hauppauge remote working with a WinTV-Go (the A415-HPG.) lsmod is showing the kernel module lirc_i2c is loaded but mode2 isn't displaying any output. |
[19:08:24] | justinh: | tcpsyn_: what do you mean 'mess with it' ? |
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[19:08:59] | tcpsyn_: | justinh, mediatomb had an xml config file. |
[19:09:06] | tcpsyn_: | I'm looking for an eqivalent. |
[19:12:47] | GreyFoxx: | There use to be one, not sure if there is anymore |
[19:13:03] | GreyFoxx: | there are some items you can place in the database to override sokme fields as well |
[19:13:17] | GreyFoxx: | but I can't remember what they are without going into the libmythupnp code |
[19:15:16] | tcpsyn_: | damn |
[19:15:35] | tcpsyn_: | All my mp3s come up as unsupported data in the ps3 |
[19:15:36] | GreyFoxx: | the external file might still exist, but someting tells me it doesn't anymore |
[19:15:57] | GreyFoxx: | send me a PS3 and I'll fix that :) |
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[19:16:20] | jheizer: | haha |
[19:16:42] | tcpsyn_: | they did that with mediatomb too, until I added < protocolInfo extend="yes" /> |
[19:16:48] | tcpsyn_: | in the xml file |
[19:16:58] | tcpsyn_: | the ps3 kinda sucks tbh |
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[19:19:34] | jheizer: | I guess I am lucky that my basic hardware works for the most part out of the box with knoppmyth |
[19:19:45] | jheizer: | bit of tweaking to get my sbe running and all is well |
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[19:21:36] | Ryushin: | I moved all my recordings to JFS partitions a few months ago. I occasionally get missing files when I knew the files were there in the beginning.. Would this be due to JFS, mythtv, or transcode? |
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[19:23:51] | tcpsyn_: | does myth just say missing file |
[19:23:56] | tcpsyn_: | or are the files actually missing? |
[19:25:23] | tcpsyn_: | whoah. svn asks for a pin now |
[19:26:18] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, if you set it up as 0000 in mythtv-setup, though, you can use any frontend without it |
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[19:30:26] | clever: | my mythtranscode is seg faulting |
[19:30:36] | clever: | ive got a coredump(and partial bt) |
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[19:30:44] | clever: | but it lacks debuging symbols |
[19:31:03] | clever: | and my build tree has allready been partialy upgraded(svn update and half a make) |
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[19:31:55] | Ryushin: | tcpsyn_: Yea, myth says it's actually missing. Running myth-find.orphans reveals that the file isn't there either. |
[19:32:24] | Ryushin: | So I'm thinking it might be JFS or transcode. I transcode everything. |
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[19:32:30] | clever: | i'll have debuging enabled when i finish rebuilding the latest revision but it might be fixed by then |
[19:32:52] | alexp789: | Hi All! Bit OT.... I was just wondering if anyone would be able to point me in a good direction to learn about creating Linux GUI apps? I'm currently teaching myself c++..... |
[19:33:34] | johndbritton: | is there a way to get to mythtv-setup without going to the backend... i want to change some settings remotely |
[19:33:37] | alexp789: | Does anyone know any good how to guides etc???? Tried google'ing it, but not sure where to start..... |
[19:33:59] | clever: | johndbritton: you could ssh -X masterbackend then run mythtv-setup |
[19:34:19] | clever: | johndbritton: it will be slower then normal but it will run allmost exactly like it does on the masterbackend |
[19:34:56] | clever: | you could also hax it a bit by setting the hostname in mysql.txt to make the local box think its the master(and edit the masters settings) |
[19:35:11] | johndbritton: | clever: (zenity:25888): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
[19:35:29] | clever: | did you attach to a screen? |
[19:35:32] | johndbritton: | ... im on a mac also |
[19:35:38] | clever: | ahhh |
[19:35:39] | johndbritton: | sshing to a linux box |
[19:35:44] | johndbritton: | ive got X11 installed |
[19:35:53] | clever: | not shure if ssh -X can forward to mac right |
[19:36:07] | clever: | ive only used a mac once and i needed the manual just to find the damn terminal |
[19:36:09] | johndbritton: | the man page says it does |
[19:36:20] | clever: | you could still try the 2nd idea |
[19:36:32] | clever: | edit mysql.txt to trick the mac into thinking its the master |
[19:36:41] | johndbritton: | ive only got the frontend installed on the mac |
[19:36:41] | clever: | then youll wind up using/editing the masters settings |
[19:36:46] | clever: | ahh |
[19:36:49] | johndbritton: | i could go to the database |
[19:37:01] | clever: | that also works if you know what setting it is |
[19:37:05] | johndbritton: | but i want to adjust commflagging, and i dont know the valid values |
[19:37:11] | clever: | ah |
[19:37:18] | johndbritton: | i think that mythweb should have a config section |
[19:37:23] | clever: | change the detection method or what part? |
[19:37:28] | johndbritton: | its much easier to look at mythweb than mythtv-setup |
[19:37:28] | johndbritton: | yeah |
[19:37:32] | johndbritton: | change the detection method |
[19:37:33] | alexp789: | johndbritton, you could install vnc-server on the linux box, then vnc to the app..... |
[19:37:34] | clever: | yeah mythweb can edit ANY setting |
[19:37:44] | clever: | but it has no undo and no way to check that its valid |
[19:37:46] | johndbritton: | alexp789: that is a clever idea |
[19:37:59] | clever: | vnc would also half work |
[19:38:13] | clever: | i set my system up so jobs can run on any host |
[19:38:19] | clever: | then i ryn mythbackend on my frontends |
[19:38:28] | clever: | so all the frontends will share the commflag load |
[19:38:48] | alexp789: | johndbritton, thanks, it would be slow, but i've done it in the past. |
[19:38:50] | clever: | a few flag jobs per frontend |
[19:39:17] | clever: | i perfer using tcp/x11 over ssh0X but its less secure |
[19:39:32] | johndbritton: | ive only got one backend, and a few frontends |
[19:39:40] | clever: | basicaly i modified the kdm/gdm config to NOT -nolisten tcp |
[19:39:47] | clever: | then i xhost +a |
[19:39:59] | clever: | and ssh a then DISPLAY=b:0 mythtv-setup |
[19:40:26] | clever: | now it connects to b on X11 port 0(over tcp) |
[19:40:38] | alexp789: | clever, yeah thats a good way too, locally i always use ssh -X, but i've also got freenx setup, handy for when the gf rings while i'm at work cos somethings gone wrong! ;-) |
[19:40:42] | clever: | its so fast you bearly notice its remote(when over lan) |
[19:40:46] | johndbritton: | what commercial skip method are you using... im having problems with all |
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[19:41:26] | clever: | i turned a laptop with 32mb of ram into a thin X server a while ago |
[19:41:42] | clever: | and remotely fed gnome-session into it(from what was my main system) |
[19:41:56] | alexp789: | clever, did you build it all from scratch? if not what distro did you use? |
[19:41:59] | clever: | upon starting that it acted like i logged into gnome and everything ran fine |
[19:42:14] | clever: | alexp789: i used linuxfromscratch on the thin client |
[19:42:28] | clever: | its basicaly a book in .html and 5000 .tar.gz files |
[19:42:54] | clever: | you build everything from source |
[19:43:11] | alexp789: | cool, i'll have to have a look at that, got a few old laptops that may just have found a use ;-) |
[19:43:26] | clever: | i had it working allmost perfectly |
[19:43:41] | clever: | the wifi card didnt work yet because of a bios bug with irq lines in pci |
[19:43:49] | clever: | was haxing the wifi driver to not need irq |
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[19:44:05] | clever: | but when i was using it for irc at one point it just shut off without warning |
[19:44:11] | clever: | totaly dead |
[19:44:17] | clever: | not even the charging light works anymore |
[19:44:28] | alexp789: | cool, sounds good, i'll have a look later. thanks.... |
[19:44:40] | clever: | (feed in power and nothing at all lights up) |
[19:44:52] | clever: | i moved the drive to an even older pc(20mb ram 50mhz) |
[19:45:04] | clever: | it runs fine but appears to lack any PCI bus |
[19:45:20] | clever: | so i have no idea how to access the pcmcia slots and get ethernet working on it again |
[19:45:43] | alexp789: | oh, that is old ;-) sounds like the other ones a 'little dead'. Is it all over isa then? |
[19:45:52] | clever: | probly ALL isa |
[19:46:07] | clever: | its nearly identical to a toshiba t2100 |
[19:46:18] | clever: | the t2100 has a b&w screen no cd and no sound |
[19:46:31] | clever: | the one i moved the drive into has a color screen with sound&cd |
[19:46:43] | alexp789: | umm, supprised you're not looking at putting token ring in the house ;-) oh the good old days..... |
[19:46:47] | clever: | (cd drive rarely works in linux and sound seems sound blaster compatible) |
[19:47:02] | clever: | i have a 12port switch in the furnace room |
[19:47:10] | clever: | every port in use:P |
[19:47:36] | clever: | 2 for the linksys and dlink routers(linksys does nothing dlink is the wifi bridge) |
[19:47:40] | htpc-dvbs: | hey all |
[19:47:47] | clever: | 2 for the linux router and 1 for the dsl modem |
[19:47:49] | htpc-dvbs: | is mythtv in this dir |
[19:48:04] | clever: | htpc-dvbs: i dont know try running 'ls' |
[19:48:10] | htpc-dvbs: | in /usr/local/src/mythtv.cvs |
[19:48:18] | Kritter: | oh wow. |
[19:49:02] | clever: | then a pair of ethernet lines to the desktops upstiars |
[19:49:05] | clever: | 1 to dads room |
[19:49:10] | clever: | one to the media and 1 to the laptop |
[19:49:27] | clever: | another thru a wall into the redhat9 server(yeah thats old:P) |
[19:49:37] | htpc-dvbs: | i guess not |
[19:49:50] | clever: | also mythtv is using svn i think not cvs |
[19:50:08] | Kritter: | htpc-dvbs: your question at least to me doesn't seem like a whole question. |
[19:51:19] | floppyears: | hi guys |
[19:51:26] | ** clever goes off to watch more .mkv files on the tv ** | |
[19:51:38] | floppyears: | last night I was trying to export recorded shows by creating a dvd |
[19:51:38] | clever: | (also using irc for the tv but the res isnt high enough for both) |
[19:51:42] | floppyears: | when I cut out the commercials |
[19:51:52] | floppyears: | does it transcode to mpg4 or does it keep using mpg2 ? |
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[19:52:23] | clever: | floppyears: i think it transcodes to mpeg4(depending on the profile you pick) |
[19:52:35] | Kritter: | mythtv being a rather complicated bunch of pieces many of whcih install in different places and have different roles in order to produce a 'mythtv' experinece. So not only do I not know what you mean by 'mythtv' in your context, but can't assume what your question really is. |
[19:52:44] | clever: | but if your burning to a dvd that works in normal players it will probly transcode again to something the normal player handlers |
[19:53:28] | htpc-dvbs: | kritter i tring to findout were i put my channels.conf |
[19:53:41] | htpc-dvbs: | i what dir is mythtv in |
[19:54:00] | htpc-dvbs: | i* in |
[19:54:02] | Kritter: | do a find for channels.conf |
[19:54:10] | Kritter: | if that's the file you want to find. |
[19:54:30] | htpc-dvbs: | i see can u tell me the command to do that |
[19:54:39] | htpc-dvbs: | i going threw telnet |
[19:54:58] | Weezey: | find / -name channels.conf -print |
[19:55:21] | Weezey: | I threw telnet once. |
[19:55:37] | floppyears: | clever: thanks |
[19:55:44] | clever: | :) |
[19:56:12] | clever: | Weezey: locate is WAY faster then find and is on 90% of the systems ive seen |
[19:56:17] | clever: | 'locate channels.conf' |
[19:56:58] | floppyears: | clever: I'm interested in burning the tv shows so that a regular dvd player can play them back as well as those portable dvd players since we have one |
[19:57:05] | clever: | . |
[19:57:36] | clever: | floppyears: then youll want the option(i forget which one) that will probly transcode it a second time to normal dvd format |
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[19:58:08] | clever: | not shure if that transcode phase supports cutlists so youll probly have to pass mythtranscode over it first to cut it up |
[19:58:12] | floppyears: | hmm, when I was about to be finished, it asked me: lp, ep, sp or no transcode |
[19:58:17] | floppyears: | is that what you are referring to ? |
[19:59:06] | clever: | that sounds like transcoding to burn a normal data dvd |
[19:59:15] | clever: | filled with .nuv/.mpg files |
[19:59:26] | clever: | enless its the quality to put into the dvd format .VOB's |
[19:59:36] | floppyears: | hmm |
[19:59:44] | clever: | ive only burn data dvd's that are pretty much a copy of the .nuv files |
[19:59:54] | clever: | (less cpu power and no quality loss) |
[20:00:28] | floppyears: | when I first started to create the dvd |
[20:00:47] | floppyears: | I chose single layer dvd, could that be the problem ? am I supposed to choose another type for dvd playback ? |
[20:00:52] | clever: | the only program ive been able to actualy burn with properly is k3b so i told mythtv to just make a .iso and then i finished the job |
[20:01:03] | Kritter: | you need single layer unless you have dual layer media |
[20:01:14] | clever: | and dual layer burner too i think |
[20:01:23] | Kritter: | yes. granted. |
[20:01:31] | clever: | i havent updated the plugins in a while so i dont think they will even open for me atm |
[20:01:34] | floppyears: | yep, I have single layer since it can only fit 4.7gb |
[20:02:27] | floppyears: | when I tried it last night, it couldn't go very far because it failed when trying to create tumnail images :( |
[20:02:33] | floppyears: | any clues as to what could cause that ? |
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[20:02:54] | Kritter: | missing image librarys? |
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[20:03:02] | clever: | youll probly need atleast 4gig free on your filesystem |
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[20:03:31] | clever: | i see 'create dvd' and 'create native archive' |
[20:04:00] | floppyears: | I have 5.9gb available in that directory :( |
[20:04:02] | clever: | native archive sounds like a normal data dvd(which only works with myth) |
[20:04:16] | clever: | mytharchive i think dumps everything to /tmp/ |
[20:04:25] | clever: | which has 1gig free on my system |
[20:04:29] | Kritter: | you can declare a workign directoty |
[20:04:35] | floppyears: | Extracting thumbnail images from: /mnt/mythtv/mytharchive/work/3/stream.mv2 – at 10,329,658,987,1316,1645,1974,2303, Destination file /mnt/mythtv/mytharchive/work/3/chapter-%1.jpg ERROR: Failed while running mytharchivehelper to get thumbnails |
[20:04:40] | floppyears: | that's what I got in my logs :( |
[20:05:05] | clever: | no idea what would cause that |
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[20:05:18] | clever: | but from the word chapter it sounds like its making a normal dvd |
[20:05:35] | floppyears: | great :) |
[20:05:55] | floppyears: | I was trying to use the mythtv center theme animated :( |
[20:06:37] | Kritter: | floppyears: the mailing list has this error back in 06. |
[20:06:51] | Kritter: | No clear resolution. |
[20:07:03] | floppyears: | yep, I was doing that very same search last night :( |
[20:07:10] | clever: | im getting a segfault here that i cant see a cause to |
[20:07:28] | clever: | within mythtranscode(requeing the job just leads to another segfault) |
[20:07:32] | Kritter: | my archiving when I last tried it seemed to fail on sound issues. |
[20:08:39] | clever: | i suspect something within my recording is confusing transcode but the frontend doesnt have a problem with it |
[20:09:12] | floppyears: | could you guys tell me what image libraries or what do you use with mytharchive ? |
[20:09:14] | clever: | only major problem is i cant shrink those files and the segfault leaves 100mb .tmp files laying about |
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[21:12:51] | jargonjustin: | I'm having trouble getting MythTV to capture audio with my tuner card. I have a WinTV-Go setup with the bt878 drivers. The modules are loaded and ALSA sees it as card 1. I set my capture card to use /dev/dsp1 as it's audio device, but I'm not getting any sound. |
[21:13:45] | dr_lulz: | oh, tell me when you got that working, i have the same problem |
[21:13:58] | floppyears: | I've got the same problem, and no fix :( |
[21:14:00] | dr_lulz: | so i use some cable to connect my tv card with my soundcard to record the sound |
[21:14:03] | dr_lulz: | not using btaudio |
[21:15:13] | jargonjustin: | From the Wiki, it looks like others have got it working. |
[21:16:18] | jargonjustin: | I don't suppose either of you has the IR working? |
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[21:18:40] | hadees: | is mythstream still the only way to listen to streaming audio stations? |
[21:18:44] | floppyears: | I don't use that, I use another remote |
[21:20:09] | jargonjustin: | *sigh* So close to getting this working, and yet... |
[21:20:38] | htpc-dvbs: | i get this on a channel L_n does it mean bad channel |
[21:21:19] | hadees: | jargonjustin, what are you trying to capture? standard tv? |
[21:21:47] | jargonjustin: | hadees: Yes, I've got a cable input hooked to the tuner. The audio out on the WinTV card itself produces sound. |
[21:23:14] | hadees: | well you could hook the audio out to the sound card input |
[21:23:19] | jarle: | htpc-dvbs: it usually means that the signal strength/quality is not high enough to let myth lock on to the transponder.. |
[21:23:21] | hadees: | until you figure out whats up |
[21:23:40] | hadees: | most people use hardware mpeg2 cards |
[21:23:59] | jargonjustin: | hadees: I'd rather not, reading through some search results it looks like /dev/dsp1 is an OSS (not ALSA) device? Could that be part of the problem? |
[21:23:59] | bsdfox__: | hardware mpeg2 is worth the extra money.. easily |
[21:24:12] | hadees: | jargonjustin, yeah its your soundcard |
[21:25:26] | jargonjustin: | Any recommendations on a cheap, well-supported MPEG2 card if I end up needing to go that route? Preferably with a remote control available. |
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[21:26:06] | htpc-dvbs: | jarle is channels inside mysql data are they in a .conf |
[21:26:47] | jarle: | htpc-dvbs: mysql |
[21:27:17] | jarle: | htpc-dvbs: you can use phpmyadmin to browse the database.. |
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[21:27:35] | htpc-dvbs: | anyway to add ones from a .conf |
[21:27:39] | htpc-dvbs: | to mysql |
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[21:32:50] | alexp789: | hi all, anyone know how to resolve the following problem when you do a "svn update" of the mythtv sources?: svn: Checksum mismatch for 'libs/libmyth/.svn/text-base/settings.cpp.svn-base'; |
[21:33:55] | bsdfox__: | jargonjustin: /dev/adsp :) |
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[21:34:20] | bsdfox__: | alexp789: delete that file, if that doesn't work, you just gotta wait til someone fixes it upstream |
[21:34:49] | jargonjustin: | bsdfox__: I have a /dev/adsp1 device, which produces static when "cat /dev/adsp1 > /dev/dsp", It doesn't show up automatically though in the audio-capture dropdown in mythtv-setup and typing it in manually still gets no sound. |
[21:36:44] | htpc-dvbs: | so jarle if i delete them out of mysql i can rescan and channels will show up |
[21:40:38] | alexp789: | bsdfox, oh right, is it 'server side' prob then? if i delete the file it still doesn't work, it just falls over saying it can't find the file. thanks very much, i won't bother deleting the dir, and trying to re check it out! |
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[21:56:03] | RyeBrye: | Anyone here building on Mac? |
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[22:00:12] | iamlindoro: | ryebrye, I have before, but it's been a very long time... if you go to the wiki page on building on a mac, then go to the discussion page, there is a guy who makes nightly universal builds who lists his info there |
[22:00:33] | iamlindoro: | He posts them on his site, too, and you can get them going back a good long ways |
[22:00:53] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I think the build is broken now though. I'm trying to build now but getting an error |
[22:00:59] | iamlindoro: | Last time I needed an SVN build I just got it there |
[22:01:03] | iamlindoro: | what's the issue? |
[22:01:08] | RyeBrye: | I'll pastebin it, one sec |
[22:01:16] | iamlindoro: | (like I said, it's been a long time, probably over a year, since I built on my mac |
[22:01:42] | RyeBrye: | http://pastebin.ca/764017 |
[22:02:24] | RyeBrye: | I've built on mine many times before... it's been a few weeks since I've rebuilt here though |
[22:02:30] | iamlindoro: | yeah, can't help you there... never seen that one :( |
[22:03:00] | RyeBrye: | I'll poke around and see what's up with those files |
[22:03:26] | iamlindoro: | rye, any chance you just went to Leopard? |
[22:03:41] | iamlindoro: | or since you built, at least? Wonder if that might have broken it |
[22:04:11] | iamlindoro: | Or, if one of the deps is broken on leopard |
[22:04:22] | RyeBrye: | Nah, I'm still on Tiger |
[22:04:25] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok |
[22:04:27] | RyeBrye: | I have to wait for Java 1.6 before I go to leopard |
[22:04:43] | RyeBrye: | who knows when that will be... |
[22:04:46] | iamlindoro: | well le me know if you get to the bottom of it |
[22:04:50] | RyeBrye: | k |
[22:05:06] | RyeBrye: | Based on the error message, it seems to me like maybe there is a new file and I just need to add the endian macro to a file somewhere |
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[22:06:36] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, looks like it |
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[22:14:31] | RyeBrye: | hmmm... looks like it might just be aproblem with libmythdvdnave – so maybe I can just skip building DVD support since I never use it anyway |
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[22:17:26] | justinh: | hmm. maybe ready to unleash glass-wide on Monday :) |
[22:17:42] | iamlindoro: | Sexy. |
[22:18:28] | justinh: | I slapped a restrictive rewrite policy on the site today. no image leeching, tarball leeching, linking to pages with the site... |
[22:18:54] | dr_lulz: | hrmz. you should ship free widescreen tvs with it for those who can only afford 4:3 screens ;) |
[22:18:56] | justinh: | s/with/within |
[22:19:06] | ** RyeBrye just bought a 1080p TV :) ** | |
[22:19:16] | dr_lulz: | RyeBrye: for me, i suppose? ;) |
[22:19:17] | justinh: | dr_lulz: nah people should ship me a 42" flat panel so I can do a 1080p version |
[22:19:20] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, for you :) |
[22:19:40] | dr_lulz: | justinh: why forbidding "linking to pages with the site"? |
[22:19:44] | iamlindoro: | justin, and you may already know this, but it *does* look very sexy on a giganto screen :) |
[22:19:52] | dr_lulz: | its not like you can control it anyways, but people might want to link to subpages |
[22:19:54] | justinh: | dr_lulz: because I can |
[22:20:04] | justinh: | dr_lulz: they can go stuff themselves sideways |
[22:20:08] | dr_lulz: | you can? sounds like referer checks ;P |
[22:20:32] | RyeBrye: | justinh – doy u ahve a link with images of it? |
[22:20:45] | justinh: | RyeBrye: see the 'preview' page of the site |
[22:21:01] | RyeBrye: | url? |
[22:21:08] | justinh: | www.mythtvthemes.co.uk |
[22:21:26] | justinh: | dr_lulz: so people can work around it, but it's a ballache to do that |
[22:22:45] | ** dr_lulz doesnt like that kind of policies ** | |
[22:23:14] | justinh: | do you think I care? I'm sick of people linking to pages within the site. for one thing it's bad practise to do that incase the links change |
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[22:23:59] | ** xris wants a 1080p tv... ** | |
[22:24:13] | floppyears: | hi guys |
[22:24:22] | RyeBrye: | I went with rear projection, 'cause my wife gave me a budget but I wanted the size... |
[22:24:24] | floppyears: | have any of you run into problems creating dvds using mytharchive ? |
[22:24:31] | RyeBrye: | 50" – it's hella nice. |
[22:24:41] | justinh: | I need a frontend that'll play h.264 1080i first.. and that's comin' ;) |
[22:24:44] | RyeBrye: | I get tons of QAM channels for free from my cableco :) |
[22:24:55] | RyeBrye: | Can't an AppleTV play 1080i h.264? |
[22:25:00] | justinh: | lol no |
[22:25:08] | RyeBrye: | oh |
[22:25:10] | xris: | RyeBrye: no room. I'm shooting for 37", but will go to 40" if I can't find a good branded 37? |
[22:25:14] | xris: | s/\?/"/ |
[22:25:21] | floppyears: | when I try to create a dvd, it gives me the error: ERROR: Failed while running mytharchivehelper to get thumbnails |
[22:25:26] | floppyears: | any clues on how to fix this ? |
[22:25:45] | RyeBrye: | I told my wife it would cost $4k and we would want a 60" |
[22:25:48] | justinh: | anyway who'd seriously have an apple tv? it only works with 6 remote buttons and has no optical drive. no dvi out either |
[22:26:03] | justinh: | maybe it has a dvi out, but it's still not ideal |
[22:26:04] | RyeBrye: | HDMI -> DVI works well |
[22:26:09] | RyeBrye: | It has HDMI out |
[22:26:15] | xris: | my wife asks why we need anything more than the 27" crt |
[22:26:22] | RyeBrye: | so when I found a 50" for $1400 - |
[22:26:23] | justinh: | for what it is, it's expensive too |
[22:26:38] | RyeBrye: | She was excited and just said "Ok, get it" |
[22:26:39] | RyeBrye: | :) |
[22:26:42] | justinh: | looks nice, I'll grant it that |
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[22:26:49] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. I got one for free |
[22:26:57] | RyeBrye: | A coworker gave me his AppleTV |
[22:27:01] | justinh: | xris: she seen deh hud in operation yet? my mrs was convinced by a shop demo |
[22:27:01] | RyeBrye: | he had it for a while and never used it |
[22:27:26] | RyeBrye: | I saw Heroes in HD last night, 1080i – I nearly wet myself |
[22:27:33] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
[22:27:34] | justinh: | "but.. but... you can watch youtube vids on your HDTV"... roflmao |
[22:27:59] | justinh: | maybe when youtube goes HD it'd be worthwhile :P |
[22:27:59] | xris: | justinh: she just has a bigger list of more important things to spend $1500 on |
[22:28:02] | iamlindoro: | Soooooo called the ending of last night's Heroes |
[22:28:17] | xris: | iamlindoro: yeah, the writing hasn't been as good this year |
[22:28:20] | iamlindoro: | Will stop there for those who haven't seen it yet |
[22:28:27] | BULLE_: | yes please do stop |
[22:28:29] | BULLE_: | i havent seen it yet |
[22:28:29] | venger: | anyone of you experience corrupted playback with Xv after switch sources (ex. going from recordings to xine video playboard and/or livetv). the best I can describe it is as a plaid screen which still has audio. |
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[22:28:44] | iamlindoro: | xris, but the special effects and poor stunt choreography are as bad as last year, so that's consistent :) |
[22:28:46] | venger: | c/playboard/playback |
[22:28:51] | justinh: | venger: sounds like you got the latest nvidia driver |
[22:29:10] | venger: | justinh, yes i do how far do i need to rollback? |
[22:29:18] | iamlindoro: | 100.14.11 |
[22:29:19] | venger: | it even happens on the beta driver |
[22:29:23] | justinh: | venger: just to the last one before that IIRC |
[22:29:38] | iamlindoro: | justinh, yup |
[22:30:04] | justinh: | heh i don't even use drivers as up to date as that (or indeed nvidia vga on my FE) & I knew |
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[22:30:44] | justinh: | anyhow. time to watch some miffteevee |
[22:30:50] | RyeBrye: | Oh. did I say I bought a 1080p TV? I meant to say I bought a 50" computer monitor that I will use for my work. |
[22:30:57] | RyeBrye: | (in case the IRS asks) |
[22:30:57] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
[22:31:07] | venger: | i've thought about trying the older 1.0–8776 because i do have problem with interlaced modes (540 upconvert) as well |
[22:31:09] | floppyears: | do any of you guys use mytharchive ? |
[22:31:17] | xris: | RyeBrye: mythtv counts as job-skill training for me. :) |
[22:31:26] | justinh: | floppyears: I used it tonight to test theme pages. oh man, the pain! |
[22:31:28] | RyeBrye: | :) |
[22:32:17] | justinh: | floppyears: it generally doesn't work though. I think i got it to make a playback disc image twice in all the times I've tried it. damn dvb streams with the rubbish packets etc that make mythtranscode fail |
[22:32:28] | justinh: | s/playback/playable |
[22:32:58] | justinh: | I think I need to get it to run some ffmpeg-fu on the files first, to strip out the guff |
[22:33:08] | floppyears: | justinh: last night I was trying to create a regular dvd for dvd playback from some recorded shows, but it kept failing when it was time to create thumbnails :( |
[22:33:09] | justinh: | anyway.. time to watch miffteevee |
[22:33:11] | floppyears: | any clues as to why ? |
[22:33:32] | justinh: | floppyears: missing libs most likely – just a guess |
[22:33:47] | floppyears: | justinh: do you know of a good site, with in-depth info on mytharchive ? |
[22:33:48] | RyeBrye: | Does the backend work on OS X with HDHomeRun a source? (i.e. scheduling / comflagging... etc?) |
[22:42:21] | venger: | justinh, when using 100.14.11 did you run into the ABI version 2.0 message about the server being 2.0 but the driver being designed for versions < 2.0 ? |
[22:42:36] | venger: | regarding Xorg |
[22:43:16] | jams: | woohoo the mythmap now shows the tuners that each be has |
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[22:47:18] | iamlindoro: | jams, pardon the ignorance, what's the mythmap |
[22:48:11] | ben2: | hi, in the log it says "No Settings found for this machines master backend ip" but the settings are working |
[22:48:21] | ben2: | *are there |
[22:49:26] | ben2: | what can i do about this |
[22:50:44] | jams: | iamlindoro- i'm autogenerating a network map/layout of my myth setup. |
[22:50:59] | iamlindoro: | Ah, ok, gotcha |
[22:51:43] | jams: | http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autog . . . Fnetwork.png |
[22:51:52] | jams: | it may not be "pretty" but it's getting there |
[22:52:38] | bsdfox__: | jargonjustin? |
[22:52:45] | bsdfox__: | you would want cat /dev/urandom > /dev/adsp |
[22:52:52] | bsdfox__: | and you have to manually enter it in mythtv |
[22:53:00] | bsdfox__: | this is covered in the wiki btw |
[22:53:25] | jams: | next i plan on introducing custom shapes instead of "boxes" |
[22:54:30] | clever: | had a minor problem with myth scheduling |
[22:54:47] | clever: | a show war on channel 2 and 6 at once |
[22:54:57] | clever: | and it chose to record it from 2(poor quality) |
[22:55:25] | clever: | but it was easy to increase the priority of channel 6 to make it perfer that channel:) |
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[22:58:22] | clever: | also some minor problems wiht svn update |
[22:58:52] | clever: | the updates conflicted with local patches causing lots of junk that caused compile errors(easy to read and fix) |
[22:59:01] | iamlindoro: | Holy hell, have enough frontends? Looks like you live in a hotel :) |
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[22:59:27] | jams: | iamlindoro- heh, those are test machines i have hooked up throught the years |
[22:59:32] | jams: | never really cleaned out the db |
[22:59:46] | jams: | and it makes sure the graph scales =) |
[22:59:53] | iamlindoro: | heh, that's a relief. My power bill is bad enough with two backends/frontends |
[23:00:22] | clever: | lol |
[23:00:36] | clever: | i have 4 myth systems |
[23:00:47] | clever: | most of which where allready on alot before i made them into myth |
[23:01:11] | clever: | jams: was that graph automaticaly made(and how?) |
[23:01:34] | jams: | clever skill and python |
[23:01:39] | clever: | lol:) |
[23:01:55] | clever: | i had seem a similar prog in java as an example in my java2 book |
[23:01:59] | clever: | but i cant find the book atm |
[23:02:10] | clever: | was trying to graph out several traceroute's together |
[23:02:16] | clever: | to get a rough map of the web |
[23:02:55] | justinh: | venger: I never update drivers just for the sake of it :) |
[23:03:18] | clever: | jams: care to share the python code? |
[23:03:39] | clever: | and those frontend names look FMA based |
[23:03:51] | jams: | FMA? |
[23:04:01] | clever: | full metal i cant spell it:P |
[23:04:15] | clever: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fullmetal_Alchemist |
[23:04:29] | jams: | yeah i know the show, but thats not what they are based on |
[23:04:41] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like 7 deadly sins to me :) |
[23:04:49] | jams: | ding ding ding |
[23:04:51] | clever: | greed glutony sloth .... are the names of some characters |
[23:05:12] | jams: | and the 7 virtues |
[23:05:18] | clever: | thats probly where the characters are based |
[23:05:18] | jams: | plus a few odd balls |
[23:05:58] | clever: | 'Gluttony: A large figure who eats anything he can get his hands on, including humans and inanimate objects. He latches on to Lust like a child to a parent.' |
[23:06:07] | clever: | (one of the character discriptions from wiki) |
[23:06:26] | jams: | yes i have seen the show |
[23:06:31] | jams: | and the movie |
[23:06:35] | clever: | ive seen all 51 episodes and the movie |
[23:06:43] | clever: | and the movie in dub recently aired here |
[23:07:19] | iamlindoro: | jams, what's your ultimate goal for your mythvantage stuff? |
[23:07:30] | jams: | iamlindoro- can't say i have one |
[23:08:21] | iamlindoro: | ah. Well it seems terribly well done, if you don't mind my saying. |
[23:08:38] | jams: | i guess my goal is so that i don't have to tweak each and every system |
[23:08:55] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I can understand that. Well anyway, looks good to me |
[23:08:58] | clever: | could post the changes up on a site incase others like it |
[23:09:14] | jams: | it has some bugs, but overall it works well |
[23:09:36] | jams: | some bugs i may or may not fix as they don't apply to anything i do |
[23:09:38] | clever: | my local install(svn trunk) has bugs too bug i know how to avoid them |
[23:10:08] | clever: | the largest one i know atm is mythtranscode segfaulting on certain shows |
[23:10:47] | clever: | got a bit of a back trace |
[23:11:03] | jams: | iamlindoro- i must say..doing all this has been more work then just "tweaking each system as needed" |
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[23:11:19] | iamlindoro: | yeah, but I understand that... half the fun is in having the project |
[23:11:26] | jams: | i never planned on it becoming this involved |
[23:11:55] | iamlindoro: | My Myth system has, at various times, been working without any describably fault... but I always find myself tinkering anyway :) |
[23:12:30] | jams: | heh.. i suppose i moved my tinkering from one off's to mass tinkering |
[23:13:26] | clever: | my main problem is low disk space |
[23:13:36] | clever: | so ive got all my frontends transcoding allmost 24/7 |
[23:13:41] | clever: | to compress the files |
[23:13:51] | iamlindoro: | There's always some other fuctionality to add... I'm working on getting blu-ray transcode all automated so that my blu-ray rips end up nice, 6–8 GBish 720p encodes |
[23:13:58] | iamlindoro: | not quiiiiite automatic yet though |
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[23:14:59] | jams: | iamlindoro- do you have firewire? |
[23:15:17] | iamlindoro: | jams, I've got it, don't use it for anything though |
[23:15:35] | iamlindoro: | why? |
[23:15:45] | clever: | my winblows box has onboard firewire |
[23:15:45] | jams: | oh i need a person to test firewire capture. |
[23:15:51] | clever: | and i have a pci firewire card |
[23:15:55] | floppyears: | iamlindoro: what does mythvantage do ? |
[23:16:04] | clever: | but about all its good for atm is a 400mbit/s link between 2 desktops |
[23:16:11] | iamlindoro: | floppyears, you'd be better off asking it's owner (points at jams) |
[23:16:14] | jams: | I think all the support for it is there, but i have nothing to test with |
[23:16:15] | clever: | nothing else in the house uses firewire |
[23:16:52] | gbee: | teaser of my upcoming theme – http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/theme_fullscreen32.png |
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[23:17:00] | iamlindoro: | yeah, alas, all QAM HD and pvr-150s here |
[23:17:15] | iamlindoro: | Brushed metally. :) |
[23:17:34] | gbee: | * May not resemble actual product. ;) |
[23:18:08] | jams: | floppyears- it's just another myth distro with little bells and whistles, nothing special if you already have a working system. |
[23:18:15] | jams: | gbee- it's looking good |
[23:18:15] | briand: | gbee: ...and you'll be making a SD version, too, right?? :) |
[23:18:19] | floppyears: | ah |
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[23:20:08] | gbee: | briand: errm, we'll see |
[23:20:15] | jams: | thats a no =) |
[23:20:36] | jams: | SD is just not as much fun to theme as HD |
[23:20:55] | justinh: | 4:3 themes suck IMHO |
[23:21:10] | justinh: | big challenge, limited screen space, yada yada |
[23:21:16] | jams: | space is very limited |
[23:21:29] | briand: | y'know why? because the good themes are done only in HD, and the 4:3 folks are left with what's there. |
[23:21:51] | briand: | I'd gladly run a 16:9 theme, but I don't have anything to output it on... |
[23:22:14] | briand: | well, until my wootoff BOC ends up containing a 73" HDTV, anyway... |
[23:22:43] | iamlindoro: | Anyone know x264 settings in mencoder fairly well? |
[23:23:48] | jams: | not me |
[23:24:01] | iamlindoro: | Trying to figure out if subq= overrides bitrate= |
[23:24:16] | DustyBin: | my brain is limited |
[23:24:27] | gbee: | not sure I'll be going into the theme business full time, too time consuming and I've a limited number of ideas, but depending how well this theme is received by users I might squeeze out another |
[23:24:35] | iamlindoro: | Ah well, I guess I'll know once this encode ends :) |
[23:25:18] | gbee: | of course I've got to finish this one first and it's only 74% complete at the moment, mythmusic is the only themed plugin |
[23:25:38] | jams: | and thats an easy plugin |
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[23:26:17] | DustyBin: | what is the schedule like for a .21 mythtv release? |
[23:26:19] | jams: | guess mythflix/mythnews are almost cut/paste for each other |
[23:27:38] | jams: | DustyBin- you just added 3 months to the planned release date. |
[23:27:49] | DustyBin: | hehe :P |
[23:29:52] | gbee: | DustyBin: pretty hard to say at this point, we missed a natural window a couple of months ago and recent changes mean it's unlikely to happen before the new year now |
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[23:30:26] | DustyBin: | aye i wasnt expecting anything soon, i just wondered if there were still lots of bugs to be resolved |
[23:31:01] | DustyBin: | ill dig out my C++ book and mend a few of them |
[23:31:11] | gbee: | a few bugs, nothing too major but also a lot of unfinished stuff and under tested changes |
[23:31:17] | DustyBin: | ok |
[23:31:24] | jams: | like that last ffmpeg sync |
[23:31:36] | jams: | always trouble when those occur |
[23:33:39] | gbee: | ffmpeg sync, -video merge stuff needs a better UI |
[23:34:01] | jams: | got that right..heck it doens't even fit on a 800x600 screen |
[23:34:04] | gbee: | scanner branch, multirec branch and a potential QT4 port in the works |
[23:34:11] | jams: | least not on my screen |
[23:34:23] | RyeBrye: | QT4 FTW!!!111 |
[23:34:26] | jams: | yeah i hope .21 doesn't wait on qt4 |
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[23:35:03] | gbee: | I've got a couple of things I'd like to get into 0.21, if I stopped work on this theme those would take a couple of weeks maybe |
[23:35:05] | RyeBrye: | Will QT4 let me disable the f*ing scroll wheel so the TV show wont start randomly jumping around in 10 minute increments if my 18 month old finds my wireless mouse? |
[23:35:30] | jams: | oh yeah i still need to take screenshots of mythweather being stupid. |
[23:36:04] | gbee: | oh yeah and mythweather needs work |
[23:36:36] | justinh: | mytharchive needs some work. just a bit. porting that to the new ui code will not be nice |
[23:36:53] | RyeBrye: | What does the new UI code give? |
[23:37:01] | jams: | gbee- i looked at that asus pc and decided to pass on it |
[23:37:03] | justinh: | RyeBrye: new ui codey goodness |
[23:37:08] | gbee: | so, maybe late Feb at the absolute earliest – which is a real shame, we should have done it when we had the chance back with the SD stuff |
[23:37:19] | RyeBrye: | Animated themes possible yet? |
[23:37:19] | jams: | somehow it just didn't seem like $400 worth as I looking at it |
[23:37:26] | justinh: | RyeBrye: nope |
[23:37:29] | RyeBrye: | :( |
[23:37:38] | clever: | how do i make gdb output a log? |
[23:37:40] | RyeBrye: | :'( |
[23:38:05] | Dibblah: | RyeBrye: If it bugs you, fix it ;) |
[23:38:10] | RyeBrye: | Yeha, I know |
[23:38:16] | justinh: | the bones of classes are there RyeBrye but it needs a lot of work, and a higher priority IMHO will be porting the rest of the ui code to it |
[23:38:39] | gbee: | jams: yeah? I'm starting to think I might wait for the price to drop, it was originally supposed to be half the release price and the devaluation of the dollar changed things, but it should drop in a couple of months (I hope) |
[23:38:41] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: is the script updated or should I use the same one? |
[23:38:49] | clever: | RyeBrye: i think the wheel sends page up/down(or close) and you could just unbind those keys so they are harmless |
[23:39:13] | clever: | RyeBrye: you can probly also fully kill the wheel thru xorg.conf if you wanted to go that far |
[23:39:30] | RyeBrye: | tjcarter – I think the script is updated, dunno – svn up brought some chagnes down |
[23:39:37] | jams: | clever- pipe it though tee or "set logging on" |
[23:39:42] | RyeBrye: | clever -good thinking |
[23:39:46] | RyeBrye: | I'll unbind those keys |
[23:39:47] | gbee: | RyeBrye: a lot of the code exists, but like Justin said there are more important jobs than implementing it |
[23:39:50] | clever: | jams: ahh thats it set logging on |
[23:39:58] | tjcarter: | actually the wheel usually sends buttons 4 and 5 in xorg |
[23:40:06] | tjcarter: | but they should be unbindable |
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[23:40:17] | jams: | gbee ugh don't get me started on the devaulation of the dollar |
[23:40:19] | clever: | tjcarter: ive had irssi act oddly when i hit the wheel(in xterm) |
[23:40:23] | justinh: | regarding 4:3 themes, there are no closed source 16:9 themes. get busy! |
[23:40:23] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: toss me your version of the script and I'll see if it builds on leopard |
[23:40:26] | gbee: | basic animation and effects are already possible, as Mepo demonstrates and I'm toying with the idea of including something in my new theme |
[23:40:34] | Dibblah: | "unbindable" as in xmodmap, I think. |
[23:40:37] | clever: | it seemed like it was going up/down several pages in the editbox history |
[23:40:43] | tjcarter: | clever: interesting. |
[23:40:51] | RyeBrye: | tjcarter – my old script changes arein the svn trunk |
[23:40:58] | RyeBrye: | tjcarter – thats the version I"m using now |
[23:40:59] | clever: | tjcarter: that could be xterm converting wheel into page keys though |
[23:41:00] | ** directhex git scared & ran away last time ge saw just how hard-coded the tiny amount of vaguely "eye candy" code in myth is ** | |
[23:41:07] | RyeBrye: | I've gotta run home now, bbl |
[23:41:08] | justinh: | gbee: that animation is basically a non-entity and IMHO would never even have been brought to bear in mepo-wide without the mediaportal skin existing first |
[23:41:13] | tjcarter: | clever: probably. |
[23:41:32] | clever: | tjcarter: but it was probly x up arrows(or down) because page up/down scrolls the chat not editbox |
[23:41:44] | clever: | for those progs that dont accept the page keys |
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[23:41:52] | Dibblah: | Oooh! Is there an MCE 'skin' that I can avoid too? |
[23:42:06] | justinh: | btw directhex got my board today. tis nice! should have my CPU soon, ram by the end of the week |
[23:42:06] | clever: | the 3 main systems i use all lack wheels so i never hit it before in irssi |
[23:42:15] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: As a Leopard user, frankly I don't want MythFrontend anymore. |
[23:42:21] | directhex: | justinh, i miss "interesting" motherboards |
[23:42:21] | justinh: | Dibblah: yeah.. called MePo or something |
[23:42:24] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: I want a Front Row source. |
[23:42:35] | justinh: | front row's ui ain't all that |
[23:42:52] | justinh: | mythtv's is 10 foot, front row is 100ft in some parts |
[23:43:09] | justinh: | the menu selection bar is too slow moving for one thing |
[23:43:22] | directhex: | justinh, i miss the days where you'd have motherboards with valves for audio, or random things you'd never find on consumer boards |
[23:43:28] | justinh: | directhex: heh |
[23:43:41] | directhex: | things like the asus pc-dl, or aopen valve nforce2 boards |
[23:43:51] | justinh: | you can smell the quality of the construction on this board. it's very well made |
[23:43:52] | Dibblah: | Stupid idea. |
[23:43:55] | directhex: | or at least boards that were silver. my old p4 board was a powdered silver color |
[23:44:06] | Dibblah: | Valves just aren't worthwhile. |
[23:44:14] | directhex: | Dibblah, who cares? it was interesting! |
[23:44:20] | justinh: | dunno about them putting the tv encoder virtually a mile away from the svideo socket though |
[23:44:53] | clever: | http://www.clever.mine.nu:82/mythpaste/tracea.txt |
[23:44:53] | Dibblah: | That Chrontel thing isn't the TV encoder, if I recall correctly. |
[23:44:53] | clever: | Core was generated by `/usr/local/bin/mythtranscode -j 2010 -V 3 -p 29'. |
[23:44:53] | clever: | Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. |
[23:45:05] | justinh: | Dibblah: no? heh might be built into the gpu then |
[23:45:08] | Dibblah: | It's the DVI link chip. |
[23:45:10] | clever: | what might cause the above seg fault? |
[23:45:17] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: it's the same script version I have |
[23:45:19] | clever: | (i can reproduce it by transcoding the file again) |
[23:45:54] | Dibblah: | clever: Is that on a VIA CPU? |
[23:46:03] | clever: | Dibblah: x86 laptop |
[23:46:14] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: I'll clean up my build dir and let it redownload all |
[23:46:16] | Dibblah: | Which x86? |
[23:46:26] | clever: | Dibblah: checking |
[23:46:33] | clever: | the distcc is slowing it atm |
[23:46:39] | clever: | heavy swaping |
[23:46:43] | Dibblah: | And you really need a debug build ;) |
[23:46:59] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: fink has fixed qt3mac, but I doubt Myth has |
[23:47:00] | clever: | yeah ive reconfigured with debug enabled |
[23:47:02] | clever: | and rebuilt |
[23:47:10] | clever: | Dibblah: but the new build isnt compatible with the master |
[23:47:20] | clever: | so im rebuilding the master also before make installing |
[23:47:27] | clever: | model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
[23:47:30] | clever: | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse |
[23:47:41] | clever: | that should tell you 90% of what you need for the cpu |
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[23:48:22] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: and this probably won't finish before I leave |
[23:48:34] | tjcarter: | 12 min ;) |
[23:49:09] | tjcarter: | I can kill it and spool build output to a file in webspace? |
[23:49:09] | clever: | Dibblah: i can also get it to segfault on other shows(i think it also happens on a diff box with an older cpu) |
[23:49:58] | Dibblah: | The usual. Profile build, SVN, check if it still happens. |
[23:50:10] | Dibblah: | Of course, after backing up your DB. |
[23:50:46] | clever: | Dibblah: once the other 2 make's finish i can make install all the myth's and they will all be updated |
[23:51:22] | Dibblah: | :) |
[23:51:23] | tjcarter: | I do like seeing that OSX can now have a MythBackend |
[23:51:41] | tjcarter: | yay for firewire ;) |
[23:51:47] | justinh: | aanyway, back to the SD/HD theme issue – I don't even HAVE HD, but I do have a 16:9 TV :P |
[23:52:06] | Dibblah: | I'm about to go HD on my other frontend :) |
[23:52:09] | clever: | my tv can project a 16:9 image on the crt tube |
[23:52:11] | justinh: | so as far as I'm concerned a -wide theme is just for wide screens |
[23:52:22] | clever: | making the black bars by just not projecting to that part of the screen |
[23:52:35] | justinh: | until the base resolution changes, we're not gonna have proper HD themes anyway |
[23:52:35] | clever: | (like grabing the V-size knob on your monitor) |
[23:53:04] | Dibblah: | ... Thank goodness. |
[23:53:14] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: have you ever encountered the issue with a new (Mac) frontend having wonky scaling? |
[23:53:22] | Dibblah: | 1Gb gets used up quite quickly enough with current themes, thanks :( |
[23:53:39] | justinh: | Dibblah: not with glass-wide it won't :) |
[23:53:40] | Dibblah: | Actually, it's much better recently. |
[23:53:41] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: seems if you fiddle with scale/offset settings, the problem fixes itself. |
[23:54:01] | tjcarter: | maybe some setting that doesn't get created until you edit that? |
[23:54:11] | tjcarter: | and totally bizarre defaults? |
[23:54:14] | justinh: | Dibblah: at 1280x720, glass-wide used only 7MB more than the most RAM efficient theme Iulius |
[23:54:20] | Dibblah: | Nice. |
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[23:54:32] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: /Users/tjcarter/Source/mythtv/.osx-packager/src/qt-mac-free-3.3.6/include/qgloba l.h:187:6: error: #error "This version of Mac OS X is unsupported" |
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[23:55:33] | justinh: | jesus. blootube-wide is an ugly monster |
[23:55:56] | justinh: | 17MB?! blech |
[23:56:07] | justinh: | I wouldn't download that |
[23:56:40] | tjcarter: | justinh: blootube-wide eats your CPU, your RAM, your GPU, and babies. |
[23:57:03] | ** tjcarter has been using PearodyTV ** | |
[23:57:09] | mzb_d800: | shame about the SD|4:3 themes being too hard to develop |
[23:57:21] | tjcarter: | it's half-finished really, but it's a nice theme |
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[23:57:25] | Dibblah: | justinh: Do you like _any_ of your themes? ;) |
[23:57:28] | justinh: | pearodyTV might be nice if it ever gets finished |
[23:57:39] | justinh: | Dibblah: glass-wide is the muts nuts! |
[23:57:46] | tjcarter: | justinh: I'll be happy to take all the screenshots you want to get it there ;) |
[23:57:56] | justinh: | tjcarter: sod that |
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[23:58:29] | tjcarter: | The problem is that Pearody can never actually be AppleTV clone |
[23:58:33] | justinh: | the thing pearodytv depends on most is the watermark icons |
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[23:58:45] | justinh: | and I really can't be bothered with them right now |
[23:58:45] | tjcarter: | Front Row does some very cool/clever things with long titles and whatnot |
[23:59:00] | tjcarter: | and the program browser is unlike anything in Front Row |
[23:59:04] | justinh: | so can the new ui code |
[23:59:19] | justinh: | get it ported & stop saying how cool other apps are! |
[23:59:35] | ben2: | hi i allready have two frontends and two backends, i have just got another front/back and i want to connect it to the master, but the tuner allways should as not connected, i have rebuilt it several times but no luck.........Any IDEAS? |
[23:59:38] | tjcarter: | I don't want MythFrontend anymore |
[23:59:44] | Dibblah: | Heh at "so can the new UI code"... |
[23:59:45] | tjcarter: | I want a Myth Front Row source ;) |
[23:59:53] | justinh: | tjcarter: with a more spiffy UI you would |
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