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| [00:00:46] | black_Nightmare_: | meh need to afk for a while again ok? |
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| [00:00:51] | mzb_d800: | ah ... but I also have a cloned output from that card going to an ancient 20" CRT so I can watch TV || play music while cooking on BBQ ;) |
| [00:01:04] | mzb_d800: | I'll be doing rebuilds in the other room |
| [00:04:08] | htpc-dvbs: | can mythtv play unecrypted music channels |
| [00:04:09] | htpc-dvbs: | ? |
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| [00:10:56] | htpc-dvbs: | anyone |
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| [00:12:03] | mzb_d800: | htpc-dvbs: you mean shoutcast streams? |
| [00:13:36] | mzb_d800: | see shoutcast patch: http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/ |
| [00:14:29] | htpc-dvbs: | no |
| [00:14:47] | htpc-dvbs: | i mean sat unecrypted music |
| [00:14:58] | htpc-dvbs: | i try and it crashes |
| [00:16:01] | mzb_d800: | don't have sat, can't help, sorry |
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| [00:32:24] | ByteChanger: | anone here good with disqec switches? |
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| [00:33:52] | black_Nightmare_: | hey again mzb |
| [00:34:18] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [00:34:44] | mzb_d800: | what speed is this machine? Hope you're not using a framegrabber ;) |
| [00:34:54] | ByteChanger: | I can only scan one sat with Mythtv... ugh... |
| [00:35:02] | ByteChanger: | sooo close.... |
| [00:35:51] | black_Nightmare_: | was that to me or someone else mzb? |
| [00:36:04] | mzb_d800: | you |
| [00:36:39] | H00chster: | ByteChanger, when you setup your cards, I assume you are setting up the diseqc in there and the type of lnbs they are, and then when you go to setup your inputs, you are incrementing what port the input is on? |
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| [00:37:34] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb..heh will you not pass out if I said it? :-> |
| [00:37:56] | mzb_d800: | I'll let you know if|when I come to ;) |
| [00:38:48] | black_Nightmare_: | 300A but I've been mulling a bit about 400–500mhz upgrade options since these are quite easy to find from several sources for only a few dollars each anyhow |
| [00:40:49] | mzb_d800: | not using a framegrabber? |
| [00:42:10] | black_Nightmare_: | don't have any kind of a/v hardware right now |
| [00:43:12] | ByteChanger: | Hiya H00chster... Yes, i setup the diseqc and lnb's, it seems to assign the correct DVB input # to each input... |
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| [00:44:15] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb..hm which of..do you have any sound card or just using onboard? |
| [00:44:40] | H00chster: | ByteChanger, when setting up inputs it will ALWAYS default to port 1, so you will have to change that, it doesn't do it for you. what I am talking about is when you first go into your input that FIRST screen shows what diseqc port you are using, if that doesn't say the one that matches what input you are trying to get then you will have to set the source to none and that should delete the input and re-create it with the proper one |
| [00:45:14] | H00chster: | if all that is right then I would guess bad switch or no power to a switch if needed etc.. but I have seen that numerous times from others missing that field |
| [00:46:00] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: I use sound card in loungetv, and onboard in bedtv |
| [00:46:12] | ByteChanger: | Cool, thanks H00chster, I'll check! |
| [00:46:28] | H00chster: | gl |
| [00:46:46] | ByteChanger: | thx! (great guide btw |
| [00:46:54] | black_Nightmare_: | hm..can I ask what your sound card is out of curiousity? ;) |
| [00:46:55] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: keep in mind that encoding from a framegrabber (eg bt848) takes power |
| [00:47:28] | mzb_d800: | loungetv:~# lspci | grep audio |
| [00:47:28] | mzb_d800: | 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 08) |
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| [00:47:46] | mzb_d800: | bedtv:~# lspci | grep audio |
| [00:47:47] | mzb_d800: | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 11) |
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| [00:48:28] | black_Nightmare_: | that ES1371 a creative card? |
| [00:48:46] | mzb_d800: | err ... don't recall |
| [00:48:51] | mzb_d800: | brb ... need to find hobby knife (1 of 4!) and extension cord (1 of millions) ... they're all hiding |
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| [00:49:37] | black_Nightmare_: | heh...there's too many bloody drivers-only result for 'Ensoniq ES1371' .. the ironic of it all |
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| [00:51:48] | black_Nightmare_: | hm well either way anyone here had/have any Hercules sound card? |
| [00:52:00] | ** black_Nightmare_ was just looking at reviews for three of them from one site ** | |
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| [00:53:09] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: Ensoniq ES1371 works OOB these days |
| [00:53:47] | mzb_d800: | http://www.google.com/linux |
| [00:54:14] | mzb_d800: | extension found ... still no hobby knife ... bl00dy women! :) |
| [00:54:21] | BULLE: | use teeth! |
| [00:54:51] | black_Nightmare_: | heh thats a lot better results now...no drivers/shopping sites anymore |
| [00:55:18] | black_Nightmare_: | bulle...lol |
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| [00:57:36] | black_Nightmare_: | just so you know anyhow mzb: I'm not quite certain at this point yet...either continue with the sb16 I still got (which is still quite nicely useable save for hating these useless propertiary cdrom headers adding up more space on front of the card) or auger/replace it with something else a bit newer |
| [00:57:43] | mzb_d800: | BULLE: my teath arent small enough ;) |
| [00:58:25] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: if it works (reliably), sounds OK and works OOB in linux why replace? |
| [00:58:48] | mzb_d800: | you probably won't find much else to do with an ISA slot these days ;) |
| [00:59:00] | mzb_d800: | esp. if you're low on PCI slots |
| [00:59:23] | black_Nightmare_: | one of the thought I've had was a pay-shipping-only fronter design card, comes with digital&spdif in&out aside to a midi port |
| [00:59:55] | black_Nightmare_: | who really knows yet tho of course :p |
| [01:00:11] | mzb_d800: | prob all completely redundant if you stop doing marginal upgrades, save your $ for a better mobo ;) |
| [01:01:08] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb...ha...well meh...the only actual limit right now is the gpu really needs to go up a bit more but otherwise the rest are just optional things I feel like bothering with :p |
| [01:01:43] | mzb_d800: | are you sure the 300a will handle your chosen output res? |
| [01:01:45] | black_Nightmare_: | there's nothing wrong with thinking about ideas even if you never actually do them – right? ;) |
| [01:02:38] | mzb_d800: | *cough* I might get around to having an opinion on that some day ;) |
| [01:02:41] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah I once tried to stuff 1240x1024 through svideo and the tv used at the time displayed it in a scrolling 1024x768 (you know what I mean?) area :p |
| [01:03:03] | black_Nightmare_: | wasn't that bad at all considering it was all through a standard svideo cable |
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| [01:04:59] | black_Nightmare_: | the only one new item I've been mulling about a bit was a budget firewire pci card so at least I could actually use external drives and well perhaps for direct connection with the shared miniDV videocamera ... don't know if I'll bother but as usual we'll just see |
| [01:05:36] | mzb_d800: | also redundant if|when you get a better mobo :) |
| [01:06:01] | black_Nightmare_: | from what I've seen there's still too many motherboards that can't be arsed to put firewire onboard...have no idea why heh ^_^ |
| [01:06:16] | mzb_d800: | I found the best thing I added to the loungetv was a raid card (in non-raid mode) |
| [01:06:26] | black_Nightmare_: | but one thing I do know was MSI was an early useage... via KT266A chipset and it had firewire chip onboard |
| [01:07:08] | mzb_d800: | bought it on ebay ... but they sent an it8212 (?) instead of a SIL card, so I got it for free (eventually) ... makes huge difference to a dodgy old piece of junk ;) |
| [01:07:28] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [01:08:00] | mzb_d800: | time for some soldering ... brb |
| [01:08:06] | black_Nightmare_: | ok |
| [01:12:10] | mzb_d800: | done |
| [01:13:27] | black_Nightmare_: | one of the little silly thing I've had tho was someone suggested a pci-sata card and said that airflow would be better with it but I think that person just was a bit mr.does-not-know-much about older systems at all because the cpu I had was actually fanless and the case had no fans so what was better about sata rather than ide aside to using up one precious pci slot? *rolls eyes* |
| [01:13:45] | black_Nightmare_: | oh well..I'm used to that kind of thing ;) |
| [01:14:26] | mzb_d800: | you'd still end up with better airflow ... *esp* without fans |
| [01:14:59] | mzb_d800: | actually I'm working on replacing a fan right now .. 60mm front case fan |
| [01:15:13] | black_Nightmare_: | how when almost nothing is circulating toward the front at all? |
| [01:15:33] | mzb_d800: | done airflow tests then? :) |
| [01:15:49] | mzb_d800: | fan got noisy in a 3200+ s939 with 2x sata drives |
| [01:16:05] | mzb_d800: | (main workstation) |
| [01:16:27] | mzb_d800: | ready for testing .. brb |
| [01:16:55] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah..the only thing that actually made any noticeable rustling on a soft dried feather was the rear [facing outside yeah] psu grille because of it still having a fan in there |
| [01:17:02] | black_Nightmare_: | otherwise anywhere else inside case at all...nope nothing |
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| [01:21:28] | black_Nightmare_: | hope the testing went well btw mzb ;) |
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| [01:27:53] | jeffery: | my mythtv was working fine till yesterday and this morning I don't get any signals.... I executed "dvbnet -l" and it tells me "Found 0 interface(s)." .. where should I start looking at to solve this problem? |
| [01:28:57] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: yep .. except I put the fan in back to front the first time, then cracked the mount from overtightening (blind) ... ah well ... still an improvement |
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| [01:29:19] | robbins876__: | jeffery, make sure your tv card is seated properly? |
| [01:29:56] | mzb_d800: | I had a machine years ago that worked pretty well, and I thought was OK re: temp ... until after a couple of years we had a record high temp ... 37 degrees C iirc |
| [01:30:05] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb...heh yeah an impovement ;) |
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| [01:30:15] | black_Nightmare_: | and by the way... |
| [01:30:20] | jeffery: | robbins876__, I haven't touched the box.. all of a sudden I don't get reception.... even kaffeine does not show the dvb "tab" |
| [01:30:25] | black_Nightmare_: | by some luck I found a review that included the ES1731 |
| [01:30:28] | mzb_d800: | "pop" goes the PSU, graphics card, mobo, drive, etc |
| [01:30:34] | black_Nightmare_: | only one thing I'm wondering about tho... |
| [01:31:11] | black_Nightmare_: | http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=0 . . . ;mode=thread it mentions no directsound3D? |
| [01:33:46] | mzb_d800: | what difference does it make? I'm outputting plain stereo from box to hifi ... which has Dolby Pro Logic ... computer audio doesn't need to be clever |
| [01:34:08] | mzb_d800: | time to put drives back into workstation |
| [01:36:04] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well this one is kinda interesting but I'm sure its probably not worth trying to find now...4 years old and Hercules isn't much of a large name anyway http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/article . . . 1_1575241__3 |
| [01:37:09] | black_Nightmare_: | I still remember seeing an Theatre XP for $70 (cad) at one store but that was pretty much only Hercules I ever saw around here |
| [01:37:17] | bloggproffs: | a quick question, the music player parth of mythTV does it read filenames or id3 tags? |
| [01:37:56] | bloggproffs: | im converting from windows and Mediaportal, and id still like to be able to show files by filenames and folder names, instead of ID3 tags, can i do this in MythTv |
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| [01:49:19] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: us$ ? I'm guessing in the US you could get a cpu + mobo for that ;) |
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| [01:49:51] | mzb_d800: | for me, going to an expensive audio card would be pointless |
| [01:49:55] | black_Nightmare_: | its almost $1cad=$1usd just to break your joke :p |
| [01:50:17] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [01:50:30] | mzb_d800: | try au$ ... and only bargains are ebay |
| [01:50:55] | mzb_d800: | no way I can get stuff as cheap here as you should be able to get over there (new) |
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| [01:52:30] | xris: | black_Nightmare_: not only that, but CAD is worth more than USD lately |
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| [01:53:16] | mzb_d800: | eg: I bought a s754 abit mobo for au$50 (2nd hand), and then spent $130 on a 3400+ sempron (could have got a 32bit slow version for ~$70) |
| [01:54:51] | mzb_d800: | so that gave me usbx8 (?), firewire, sata ... but only 2 DDR slots in single-channel mode... as opposed to a s939 abit mobo which has 4 slots in dual-channel |
| [01:55:52] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [01:56:02] | mzb_d800: | ie. for ~au$120 I could have had a cheap(er) system ... at that time au$1.00 was about us$0.70 (iirc) |
| [01:56:13] | black_Nightmare_: | sometimes I think the only reason skt754 is still being around in some stores today is because of turion64 wanters ^_^ |
| [01:56:26] | mzb_d800: | that s754 board is now the basis of my server |
| [01:56:58] | mzb_d800: | just about to put another stick of memory in (hopefully) |
| [01:57:18] | mzb_d800: | but has 2x 250GB sata + 2x 60GB pata |
| [01:57:24] | mzb_d800: | and runs Xen |
| [01:57:36] | black_Nightmare_: | hm nice |
| [01:57:44] | ** BULLE uses an old s754 athlon64 for fileserver ** | |
| [01:58:10] | mzb_d800: | oh .. and they both have onboard gigabit + audio |
| [01:58:16] | BULLE: | yes, mine to! |
| [01:58:31] | BULLE: | i think it was pretty standard even then, to have gigabit ehternet and audio onboard |
| [01:58:37] | mzb_d800: | so workstation + server have gigabit link |
| [01:58:40] | mzb_d800: | yes |
| [01:58:52] | mzb_d800: | for AMD stuff, anyway ;) |
| [01:59:15] | mzb_d800: | brb ... getting ready to put workstation back together a stick another 512MB in the server |
| [01:59:17] | BULLE: | was the last amd thing i bought though |
| [01:59:30] | mzb_d800: | (getting down to 60MB free;) |
| [02:01:21] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [02:01:39] | black_Nightmare_: | I have enough ram for now but need to get the hds upgraded eventually one day tho |
| [02:01:46] | black_Nightmare_: | dunno why I seem to put that off a bit too often |
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| [02:12:16] | mzb_d800: | I've had a couple of scares over the last year or so with hdd's ... got to the stage now where both workstation and server have raid1 ... too much data to take the chance now |
| [02:12:31] | mzb_d800: | (can take me months to recover from backups;) |
| [02:13:06] | mzb_d800: | had to get an external 500GB just for sanity, too |
| [02:13:23] | mzb_d800: | hopefully I won't have to buy any more for a while |
| [02:14:20] | mzb_d800: | although, have a friend offering me a 120GB and 250GB (pata I guess) for a small router-related job ... so should be able to get more out of myth soon ;) (myth videos+recordings arer currently on a 160GB drive) |
| [02:14:38] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [02:15:05] | black_Nightmare_: | I guess I wouldn't mention how old two original hds here are (two seperate systems yeah) then ^_^ |
| [02:15:15] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [02:16:12] | mzb_d800: | I was using a proliant 2500 for a while, dual pent-pro with 4 or 5 18GB drives in raid5 ... but it was just too slow and noisy (and power hungry) |
| [02:16:44] | black_Nightmare_: | heh hm well how does 1.2gb and 2.5gb sound to you literally? |
| [02:16:48] | mzb_d800: | nice having reasonably quiet drives around the house ... no tinnitus now :) |
| [02:16:55] | mzb_d800: | sounds like hard work :) |
| [02:17:05] | ** black_Nightmare_ hehs ** | |
| [02:17:14] | mzb_d800: | but yeah ... got a few of those in a box somewhere |
| [02:17:38] | black_Nightmare_: | the 1.2gb is a fair match for the 603e processor its on anyway ^_^ |
| [02:17:49] | mzb_d800: | got 30–90 machines in storage downstairs ;) ... lost count |
| [02:18:00] | black_Nightmare_: | lol are you serious? |
| [02:18:00] | mzb_d800: | 603e ... 8500 era? |
| [02:18:05] | mzb_d800: | deadly |
| [02:18:18] | black_Nightmare_: | meh I don't want to know just exactly what kind of person you are then :p |
| [02:18:24] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [02:18:47] | black_Nightmare_: | and the 603e is actually for a powerpc performa (some of these were not apple's best day in hardware design but nevertheless they still have their uses even to today anyway) |
| [02:18:55] | mzb_d800: | long story .. but bottom line was I went around all the computer stores in my city and asked them for their old junk |
| [02:19:16] | mzb_d800: | also had a friend who used to pick up junk from auctions |
| [02:19:28] | mzb_d800: | being a hoarder I have trouble getting rid of them ;) |
| [02:19:39] | mzb_d800: | got some nice old toys over the years, though |
| [02:19:46] | mzb_d800: | XT laptop with 20MB hdd |
| [02:19:59] | mzb_d800: | vax 4000/100 (with matching 10GB drive cabinet;p) |
| [02:20:15] | black_Nightmare_: | this is what mine looks like san the original monitor went out several years ago: http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/6300.jpg |
| [02:20:17] | mzb_d800: | ps2/80 with 2x 115MB ESDI drives |
| [02:20:40] | black_Nightmare_: | and if you had to ask..that little black box in upper-right of front is actually for IR |
| [02:20:47] | mzb_d800: | (386/20 upgraded to 25;) |
| [02:21:09] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [02:22:02] | mzb_d800: | I'll just plug these comps back in and show you a pic of the ultimate ;) |
| [02:22:10] | black_Nightmare_: | whats interesting (and even older ads in TIME pushed the performa's as these many times) is they were quite friendly multimedia ready ... optional/standard apple video-in and same to apple tv tuner (both cards being propertiary of course .. this was before pci arch. was finally introduced) |
| [02:23:27] | black_Nightmare_: | of course it could play from video-in source but capturing is rather sometimes out of the question tho considering its poorly-designed bus on top of only a 8bit ide controller (I have no idea if switching to external hd off the scsi bus would improve that or not so don't ask) |
| [02:24:02] | black_Nightmare_: | like I said "not apple's best day in hardware design" |
| [02:25:36] | black_Nightmare_: | if you wanted capture for sure and you still like macs...there's always the beige G3 (desktop and tower forms altogether) naturally... one propertiary slot that could take an a/v card, worked fine with good softwares like avid videoshop, imovie, etc as I've heard) |
| [02:25:43] | ** black_Nightmare_ stops the ranting for now ** | |
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| [02:28:27] | black_Nightmare_: | hm *whacks irc connection* |
| [02:28:36] | ** black_Nightmare_ waits for mzb's pictures ;) ** | |
| [02:28:49] | mzb_d800: | machines booting ... should be up in a few mins |
| [02:29:04] | mzb_d800: | (no magic smoke detected;) |
| [02:29:10] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
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| [02:29:53] | mzb_d800: | wench:~# lvdisplay -C | wc -l |
| [02:29:53] | mzb_d800: | 72 |
| [02:30:18] | mzb_d800: | wench the server ... get it ? ;) |
| [02:30:40] | mzb_d800: | webserver vm booting |
| [02:31:03] | ** black_Nightmare_ hehs ** | |
| [02:31:07] | black_Nightmare_: | well... |
| [02:32:20] | black_Nightmare_: | the old 603e is named 'babydragon' since naturally its small but still can throw well at certain times [and one more thing...it actually roars for its startup chime so that just makes the hd name fit more :p] |
| [02:32:41] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=10 |
| [02:33:01] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=52 |
| [02:33:12] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79 |
| [02:33:28] | black_Nightmare_: | the old pc..hrm...used to name it 'dragon' but when I get the graphic card switched finally and few other small things I may just have to give it 'chaoticdragon' instead because that would be exactly what it will BE! *laughs* |
| [02:33:42] | mzb_d800: | only 256Kb up ... so might be a bit slow |
| [02:35:26] | black_Nightmare_: | nice |
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| [02:35:41] | mzb_d800: | showing my age now ;) |
| [02:36:39] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb..just asking anyhow but.. |
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| [02:37:18] | black_Nightmare_: | what you think of a system named 'chaotic dragon' because well thats what it is...not friendly looking at first but serves well |
| [02:37:24] | black_Nightmare_: | ^_^ |
| [02:37:38] | mzb_d800: | name too long and has a space in it ;) |
| [02:38:05] | mzb_d800: | ah well, that's all that out of the way ... time for a quick walk downstairs so I can work on "Master Plan part #2" ... mooohaarhaargh (butcher an old surftv(web2u) box for the IR receiver) |
| [02:38:16] | mzb_d800: | brb |
| [02:38:46] | black_Nightmare_: | heh |
| [02:38:56] | Led-Hed: | I'm having trouble Ripping a DVD in MythTV. When I insert the DVD and go to Rip I have to press "0" to wake up the transcoder demon, but after that it just sits saying "Checking and/or Waiting for DVD" |
| [02:39:10] | black_Nightmare_: | I've never really cared for spaces..never had any issues yet |
| [02:39:27] | siXy: | Led-Hed: i'm guessing you didnt start the transcoder daemon |
| [02:39:28] | Led-Hed: | The path is correct in the setup because it plays the DVD just fine. |
| [02:39:42] | ** black_Nightmare_ thinks mzb has a crazy life for sure ** | |
| [02:39:44] | Led-Hed: | siXy, I pressed "0" like it says |
| [02:39:55] | siXy: | Led-Hed: thats not the same as running it |
| [02:40:00] | jeffery: | what is the key to hit to view a channel? |
| [02:40:05] | siXy: | if its not running you can sit there and press 0 all day if you like |
| [02:40:10] | jeffery: | I mean live viewing |
| [02:40:33] | Led-Hed: | siXy, so how do I start the transcode daemon? |
| [02:40:58] | siXy: | Led-Hed: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythDVD |
| [02:41:11] | Led-Hed: | siXy, thanks |
| [02:41:24] | siXy: | no probs |
| [02:43:53] | siXy: | jeffery: there is a live tv menu. there is some way of settings a jumppoint so you can open it without navigating menus, but i dont remember it |
| [02:45:08] | jeffery: | siXy, I am in the live tv menu channel listing.. I can scroll through the channels listing.. hitting enter takes me to "Do not record this program" option... stuck there until I hit cancel |
| [02:46:25] | siXy: | jeffery: thats because its the recording guide primarily not an interface for livetv. there is a menu option to enabled channel switching in guide however. probably in either general or tv options |
| [02:46:49] | jeffery: | siXy, thank .. will look into that |
| [02:47:08] | Led-Hed: | siXy, mtd was already running. any other ideas? |
| [02:47:42] | siXy: | Led-Hed: try restarting it |
| [02:48:11] | siXy: | and check that /var/lib/mythdvd/temp/ exists |
| [02:48:40] | Led-Hed: | Please send bug report – no VTS_TMAPT ?? |
| [02:48:56] | Led-Hed: | thats what I get when I start the MTD |
| [02:48:57] | siXy: | hmm :) running svn by any chance? |
| [02:49:04] | Led-Hed: | I dont think so. |
| [02:49:27] | mzb_d800: | black_Nightmare_: true ... doing potty training of 2.5yo while I play ;) |
| [02:49:48] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb...lol |
| [02:49:51] | Led-Hed: | the 0.20.2 that came out to support the new SchedulesDirect |
| [02:50:25] | siXy: | Led-Hed: do you have libdvdread3 installed? |
| [02:50:30] | Led-Hed: | siXy, yes |
| [02:50:42] | Led-Hed: | backend version = 0.20.20070821–1 |
| [02:51:55] | bloggproffs: | im converting from windows and Mediaportal, and id still like to be able to show files by filenames and folder names, instead of ID3 tags, can i do this in MythTv? |
| [02:52:19] | black_Nightmare_: | mzb..well how often do you show up in here anyhow? |
| [02:52:37] | siXy: | Led-Hed: it seems you are not the only one with this issue, but i dont see any concrete solution |
| [02:52:39] | mzb_d800: | I'm here pretty much full time atm |
| [02:52:56] | Led-Hed: | siXy, where are you searching? |
| [02:52:59] | mzb_d800: | I moderate a few #'s and hang around in other ones of interest (like this one) |
| [02:53:17] | black_Nightmare_: | ok...well I'm going off now..going to bed soon |
| [02:53:22] | black_Nightmare_: | see you another time ok? ;) |
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| [02:54:40] | siXy: | Led-Hed: on the bug tracker |
| [02:54:47] | siXy: | what distro are you using? |
| [02:55:09] | Led-Hed: | siXy, Ubuntu 7.04 |
| [02:55:34] | siXy: | Led-Hed: can you run dpkg -l | grep libdvd |
| [02:55:52] | bloggproffs: | am i invisible? |
| [02:55:59] | bloggproffs: | ;) |
| [02:56:14] | Led-Hed: | siXy, libdvdcss2 1.2.5–1 |
| [02:56:27] | Led-Hed: | libdvdread3 0.9.7–2ubuntu1 |
| [02:56:29] | bloggproffs: | im converting from windows and Mediaportal, and id still like to be able to show files by filenames and folder names, instead of ID3 tags, can i do this in MythTv? Same as mediaportal shows it! |
| [02:56:43] | siXy: | Led-Hed: you also need libdvdnav4 |
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| [02:58:04] | siXy: | and iirc theres a newer libdvdread3 out, but thats probably not going to be an issue |
| [02:58:45] | Led-Hed: | siXy, thanks |
| [02:59:44] | siXy: | np – if you manually compiled, you might need to rebuild – not sure about that |
| [03:05:14] | Led-Hed: | My first time installing on Ubuntu. I used the Mythbuntu packages. |
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| [03:24:51] | Aval0n: | anyon eknow of an addon that will you to allow saving of playlists for mythmusic> |
| [03:27:50] | siXy: | Aval0n: mythmusic already allows saving of playlists |
| [03:29:44] | leprechau: | brb... |
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| [03:34:44] | Aval0n: | sixy |
| [03:34:44] | Aval0n: | how? |
| [03:34:54] | Aval0n: | I don't see anywhere to save it |
| [03:35:23] | siXy: | Aval0n: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythMusi . . . _a_playlist. |
| [03:40:19] | Aval0n: | thank you let me check it out. |
| [03:40:58] | Aval0n: | wow |
| [03:40:59] | Aval0n: | nice |
| [03:41:06] | Aval0n: | I never would have found that on my own |
| [03:52:38] | siXy: | nps :) |
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| [04:54:51] | kafkaCA: | hi. hopefully someone can help. i've googled & check logs, but can't find an answer. i'm running svn head with an ATSC & NTSC tuner |
| [04:55:18] | kafkaCA: | i can't find a place to set tv format per card. i have the general setting and the per channel |
| [04:55:48] | kafkaCA: | but the per channel settings don't seem to matter, backend log reports that it's still trying to set to ATSC on the NTSC channels |
| [05:00:57] | Dr_willis: | Testing out the 'Optical Disks -> archive files' feature. and i can select some files. I just cant seem to figure out how to get TO the OK button. :) tab dont do it.. esc goes back up one menu.. m pops up a menu letting me select all/none.. AM i missing somthing obvious here? |
| [05:05:55] | kafkaCA: | dr_willis... i'm here for some help myself... but does alt-O work for OK? |
| [05:06:34] | Dr_willis: | kafkaCA, well i got it doing somthing. :) seems ya must arrow UP to the <--> button THEN go up again, THEN to the right. :) |
| [05:06:43] | Dr_willis: | gotta keep an eye on the yellow box around the buttons |
| [05:06:49] | kafkaCA: | lol yeah |
| [05:07:06] | Dr_willis: | The TAB key could be used a bit more effectively there. :) |
| [05:07:30] | Dr_willis: | well i got it making a DVD from 2 shows.. lets see how well that works out. |
| [05:07:37] | Dr_willis: | DOH! i frogot to cut out comercials first. :( |
| [05:07:50] | Dr_willis: | SOmthing else on my 'to learn how to do' list. |
| [05:08:58] | Dr_willis: | My cable company decided to rearange the channels obn me.. I ended up recording Lifetime Channel.. Instead of the Nature shows i wanted. :( |
| [05:32:52] | Ekman: | "Nature shows"? :) |
| [05:40:33] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, The kind you used to watch through the wavy lines and weird colors as a kid... "Is that a boob?" |
| [05:41:11] | ** iamlindoro_ realizes that joke is probably only funny to the american kids, where sex is scary scary scary... ** | |
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| [05:43:17] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [05:43:40] | Dr_willis: | 'sex is scary scary scary....' --- So you've met my wife? |
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| [05:44:00] | ** Dr_willis quickly clears the channel hisory befor she walks in. ** | |
| [05:44:42] | Dr_willis: | well night all. :) |
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| [06:04:22] | Gumby: | does anyone here know how it would be possible to get mythweb to stream my recordings rather than prompt for a download? |
| [06:05:32] | cesman: | MythStreamTV, MythWebFlash or upgrade (everything) so ou can use SVN. The built in flash player is pretty nice |
| [06:07:11] | Gumby: | is mythstreamtv for recorded content also? |
| [06:07:19] | Gumby: | (pre-recorded) |
| [06:07:42] | cesman: | yes |
| [06:07:59] | Gumby: | cool, thank you. I'll look into it |
| [06:09:21] | cesman: | you're welcome |
| [06:11:46] | Gumby: | Is it not also possible to configure apache to allow streaming of specific files? |
| [06:17:13] | kafkaCA: | anyone know if there's a trick to using the channel level "tv format" override to the default? |
| [06:17:34] | cesman: | Gumby: Apache by itself doesn't stream |
| [06:18:12] | cesman: | perhaps you are thinking of "app handlers" |
| [06:18:37] | cesman: | perhaps then, you can specify the app you open the file instead of downloading it... |
| [06:18:47] | cesman: | or something like that |
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| [06:19:43] | Gumby: | possibly. |
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| [06:23:49] | Gumby: | hrm, looks like mythstreamtv is out. it doesnt seem to support my version of mythweb. the install.sh wont work |
| [06:25:00] | Gumby: | d'oh! I guess that is because the project hasnt been updated in over 2 years |
| [06:25:14] | Gumby: | almost 3 |
| [06:26:46] | cesman: | works fine w/ KnoppMyth R5F27 |
| [06:27:21] | cesman: | actually if you are looking at the sf.net site, that is old |
| [06:27:41] | Gumby: | ok, I'll search for an updated one |
| [06:29:27] | Gumby: | cesman, shall I grab the one at http://jochensserver.dyndns.org/ Its the URL mentioned in the mythtv wiki |
| [06:31:29] | cesman: | yes |
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| [06:34:31] | Gumby: | ah yes, that versions installers ran fine |
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| [07:11:51] | iamlindoro_: | yargh, new nvidia driver is CRAP |
| [07:12:27] | iamlindoro_: | It's apparently the cause of everyone's "pink screen of death." |
| [07:12:56] | siXy: | iamlindoro_: running ubuntu by any chance? |
| [07:13:01] | iamlindoro_: | a-yup |
| [07:13:09] | siXy: | :) |
| [07:14:18] | siXy: | ubuntu + myth seems to have so many problems this channel becomes #ubuntu-overflow :) |
| [07:14:25] | iamlindoro_: | I picked a heck of a time to rebuild my myth machines |
| [07:14:26] | iamlindoro_: | Heh |
| [07:16:49] | iamlindoro_: | more like "#ubuntu-bitch" for me, really, just rolling back to the old driver |
| [07:17:51] | cesman: | iamlindoro_: is that w/ the 100.14.19 or 100.14.23 driver? |
| [07:18:00] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [07:18:01] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
| [07:18:09] | cesman: | which one? |
| [07:18:09] | iamlindoro_: | .19, really, I believe .23 is beta |
| [07:18:18] | iamlindoro_: | .19 is the default in gutsy |
| [07:18:25] | iamlindoro_: | am rolling back to .11 |
| [07:18:39] | iamlindoro_: | and don't feel like being a guinea pig with .23 |
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| [07:48:20] | iamlindoro_: | Ay, even that was painful... nvidia install broke gdm pretty good |
| [07:49:46] | iamlindoro_: | all fixed now tho |
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| [09:48:18] | anxion_: | hello, on a mythtv-frontend i get "NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://127.0.0.1:6543/*.mpg". The backend server has the IP: 192.168.178.123 and was set in mythtv-setup. Why is my frontend searching for videos at localhost? |
| [09:57:01] | directhex|work: | what's the hostname of the backend? |
| [10:02:42] | anxion_: | pc-amon |
| [10:07:17] | anxion_: | my backend says: "MythSocket(8174900:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket." |
| [10:12:45] | anxion_: | mythtv version is 0.20 |
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| [10:46:13] | clever: | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| [10:46:13] | clever: | 2007-11–05 00:11:08.697 transcode: Transcode Errored: MythBusters "Killer Brace Position": Low Quality (exit status 139, job status was "Running") |
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| [11:06:17] | anxion_: | seems to be a socket related problem... http://www.nopaste.org/p/aMcHLqxrhb |
| [11:17:22] | dr_lulz: | morning |
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| [11:27:42] | anxion_: | hello |
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| [12:36:53] | New2Ubuntu: | WOuld Pinnacle PCTV External TV Tuner be a easy to configure choice . (Buying new card due to difficulty configuring Philips 7130 chipset) it connects to the PC through a USB port. |
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| [12:47:47] | directhex|work: | pinnacle are poorly supported as a whole |
| [12:48:35] | slaine_: | The chip that drives that unit has driver support, however there's some forkage of the driver by the maintainer from the v4l code tree |
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| [12:56:02] | New2Ubuntu: | directhex Thanks well then my last option is avermedia but they cost an arm of leg :). Ill just get one of those you can watch tv on your monitors.Its just occasionally anyway |
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| [13:27:48] | clever: | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| [13:27:48] | clever: | 2007-11–05 07:38:18.866 transcode: Transcode Errored: Daily Planet: Low Quality (exit status 139, job status was "Running") |
| [13:27:48] | clever: | 2007-11–05 07:38:18.892 JobQueue: Transcode Errored: Daily Planet: Low Quality (exit status 139, job status was "Running") |
| [13:29:09] | directhex|work: | 0.20.2? |
| [13:29:26] | clever: | svn |
| [13:29:57] | clever: | that show has killed transcode on 2 boxes(seems to be at same position) |
| [13:30:06] | clever: | Source code version : 14574M |
| [13:30:07] | clever: | SVN branch : trunk |
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| [13:32:33] | clever: | it doesnt appear to have actualy left a core behind |
| [13:32:48] | clever: | once the current jobs are done i'll put the ulimit -c into effect |
| [13:34:46] | _mre|666: | this is going to sound stupid, so ignore my ignornance, but what is transcode used for? avi compression? |
| [13:35:48] | clever: | changes the codec/compression of the video files |
| [13:35:57] | _mre|666: | yeah, that's what i figured |
| [13:36:00] | clever: | im recording at 1gig/hour |
| [13:36:08] | _mre|666: | nice |
| [13:36:08] | clever: | after i transcode i sometimes get 500mb/hour |
| [13:36:19] | _mre|666: | yeah, i'm at about 1gb an hour |
| [13:36:25] | clever: | it also cuts out the selected parts of the cutlist |
| [13:36:34] | clever: | so theres less video to compress |
| [13:36:34] | _mre|666: | but i never setup up transcode, just went out and bought a 400GB drive |
| [13:36:51] | _mre|666: | nice... like commercials, and other unwanted crap |
| [13:37:09] | clever: | i have 150gig on my lvm atm |
| [13:37:09] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [13:37:09] | clever: | theP4:/media/mainlv/ 155G 153G 2.4G 99% /media/mainlv |
| [13:37:21] | _mre|666: | i perfer mpg to avi, personally |
| [13:37:24] | clever: | 0.4 hours till autoexpire kicks in and deletes things |
| [13:37:32] | _mre|666: | just burn them when it fills |
| [13:37:35] | clever: | my mythtv can only do nuv |
| [13:37:46] | _mre|666: | clever: you should get a larger hd... |
| [13:37:49] | _mre|666: | they're so cheap right now |
| [13:37:50] | clever: | and the container has allmost nothing to do with the compression |
| [13:37:56] | clever: | and im jobless:P |
| [13:38:01] | _mre|666: | i got this 400GB drive for $89.99 at www.microcenter.com |
| [13:38:09] | clever: | enless it costs 10cents i cant realy afford it:P |
| [13:38:26] | _mre|666: | well... atleast you're staying busy, educating yourself |
| [13:38:34] | clever: | i have a 160gig drive in a usb enclosure |
| [13:38:36] | _mre|666: | paid support for stuff like linux and myth is growing |
| [13:38:43] | clever: | NTFS and allready full:P |
| [13:38:56] | _mre|666: | yeah, easy to do |
| [13:39:05] | clever: | total space on 5 drives is 221.52GB and free is 2.29GB |
| [13:39:06] | _mre|666: | especially if you record sports games |
| [13:39:08] | clever: | (all drives in XP) |
| [13:39:14] | _mre|666: | i recorded the football game i went to this weekend |
| [13:39:19] | _mre|666: | everybit of a full dvd |
| [13:39:36] | _mre|666: | but i have 2 tuners in this box |
| [13:39:45] | _mre|666: | one PVR-150 and a PVR-350 |
| [13:39:56] | clever: | all i have is a frame grabber |
| [13:40:10] | _mre|666: | like a Homerun box? |
| [13:40:25] | _mre|666: | or one of those external tvtuners |
| [13:40:30] | clever: | PCI card |
| [13:40:45] | _mre|666: | aww... not familar with it |
| [13:40:45] | clever: | its meant to draw raw BMP frames right into the video memory |
| [13:40:57] | clever: | giving low cpu usage tv watching |
| [13:41:07] | _mre|666: | nice, as long as it works |
| [13:41:09] | _mre|666: | :P |
| [13:41:11] | clever: | by aiming it at system memory |
| [13:41:18] | clever: | you can get raw video frames |
| [13:41:33] | _mre|666: | these Hauppauge cards are pretty low resources as well |
| [13:41:35] | clever: | then you spend 70% of the cpu compressing it before the buffer runs out |
| [13:42:00] | clever: | a hardware encoder card outputs compressed mpeg2 data |
| [13:42:04] | clever: | so you just copy that to the hdd |
| [13:42:36] | clever: | with the firewire link to a cable box you could even take the mpeg video right out of the digital line(no quality loss at all) |
| [13:42:37] | _mre|666: | yeah |
| [13:42:45] | _mre|666: | hardware encoders are the best but alot more expensive |
| [13:43:02] | clever: | yeah |
| [13:43:06] | clever: | i have a firewire card |
| [13:43:13] | clever: | but the cable box with firewire costs extra |
| [13:43:30] | _mre|666: | yeah... because of the addon tuner in the box |
| [13:43:35] | directhex|work: | i like dvb-t |
| [13:43:47] | _mre|666: | not a bad idea tho clever |
| [13:43:50] | _mre|666: | didn't think about that |
| [13:43:56] | clever: | right now im feeding the digital box into my frame grabber |
| [13:43:56] | _mre|666: | but the problem with me is, no tuner box |
| [13:44:00] | clever: | thru composite video |
| [13:44:11] | directhex|work: | i like dvb-t lots |
| [13:44:16] | directhex|work: | and am looking at dvb-s |
| [13:44:25] | _mre|666: | never worked with either of those |
| [13:44:54] | _mre|666: | my tuners work very well |
| [13:45:26] | directhex|work: | dvb is what everyone in the world except yankland uses for digital transmissions |
| [13:45:43] | directhex|work: | dvb-t for over-the-air, dvb-s for satellite, dvb-c for cable |
| [13:46:06] | clever: | i was in the debug menu on the tuner awhile ago |
| [13:46:12] | directhex|work: | and dvb-h for handheld (i.e. on mobile phone) but nobody gives a *doodie* about dvb-h |
| [13:46:16] | clever: | i think its qam based |
| [13:47:48] | clever: | 'Motorola DCT 2000' |
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| [13:53:36] | clever: | http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/produ . . . n_Manual.pdf looks like the detailed manual |
| [13:57:57] | directhex|work: | i wish media companies weren't afraid of CAMs |
| [13:59:46] | clever: | wtf |
| [13:59:46] | clever: | current GPS time... |
| [13:59:50] | clever: | does the box have gps?!:P |
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| [14:06:34] | GreyFoxx: | It syncs to a clock at your cableco which does |
| [14:10:08] | clever: | ahhh |
| [14:11:57] | clever: | but if you had gps in the box |
| [14:12:05] | clever: | you would be able to find stolen or haxed boxes |
| [14:12:30] | GreyFoxx: | And how would a gps determine if a box is hacked? |
| [14:12:34] | GreyFoxx: | Stolen maybe |
| [14:12:36] | clever: | could program the thing to shutdown if its decoding at >10mps |
| [14:12:47] | clever: | or you trigger a case intrusion alarm |
| [14:12:52] | GreyFoxx: | but they kno where you are on the cable plany anyway |
| [14:12:57] | clever: | or are decoding channels on the same codes at 500 other boxes |
| [14:13:04] | clever: | the company can query your gps cords |
| [14:13:28] | clever: | enless you buy the box off ebay and stick in a code off stolenenccodes.com |
| [14:13:49] | clever: | you would then upgrade your basic cable to digital |
| [14:14:08] | GreyFoxx: | Is that URL suppose to work? Doesn' |
| [14:14:10] | GreyFoxx: | t load fo rme |
| [14:14:44] | clever: | i googled for dct 2000 that url was the 1st responce |
| [14:14:52] | clever: | i can stick the pdf on my site if you cant get it to work |
| [14:15:09] | clever: | http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:h0-cJzf1 . . . =2&gl=ca is the html version |
| [14:15:12] | janneg: | clever: iirc ATSC transmits GPS time, which differs from UTC |
| [14:15:26] | GreyFoxx: | It's not even in my top 10 google replies :) |
| [14:15:44] | clever: | http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=dct+2 . . . ch&meta= |
| [14:16:15] | GreyFoxx: | clever: still not in my list |
| [14:16:20] | clever: | lol |
| [14:16:21] | clever: | uploading |
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| [14:17:16] | techjim: | anyone considering getting that gOS-loaded everex pc from walmart? Looks like an alright backend server- needs tv tuner and wireless NIC though |
| [14:18:14] | dr_lulz: | gOS? |
| [14:18:31] | clever: | GreyFoxx: http://clever.mine.nu/download/DCT2000_Installation_Manual.pdf |
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| [14:19:37] | clever: | diag stuff starts near page 43 |
| [14:19:56] | GreyFoxx: | Oh, I have that |
| [14:20:07] | GreyFoxx: | I was referring to the "stolenencodes.com" url you posted |
| [14:20:14] | clever: | ahh lol |
| [14:20:17] | clever: | made up url:P |
| [14:20:33] | GreyFoxx: | I use to work for the cable company. I have tons of docs for the dct2000's |
| [14:20:42] | clever: | genericdigitaltheftsite.com |
| [14:21:13] | techjim: | dr_lulz: gOS is a new e17 distro off of ubuntu. mac os x-like dock that integrates with web apps although I'd just wipe the drive for mythdora |
| [14:22:06] | clever: | check that its not an ati card first:P |
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| [14:24:07] | techjim: | clever: all I would need to do is a swap whatever card for a pvr-250 right? This box is just of interest cuz it's cheap and green via processor. |
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| [14:24:22] | clever: | GreyFoxx: one site i found online says the dct2000 outputs raw digital data |
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| [14:24:31] | directhex|work: | techjim, avoid wireless |
| [14:24:44] | clever: | techjim: yeah you could just replace/bypass the ati card |
| [14:25:02] | clever: | i was thinking they may have some custom oem drivers in there(that may work better) |
| [14:25:15] | directhex|work: | the gos pc isn't well integrated |
| [14:25:23] | directhex|work: | it even has an unsupported winmodem in the box |
| [14:25:24] | techjim: | directhex|work: for frontends too? sometimes it seems like the only aesthetic way to set it up |
| [14:25:41] | techjim: | directhex|work: lol I heard about the winmodem. |
| [14:25:50] | directhex|work: | techjim, wireless lacks sustainable throughput. even on 802.11g, you'll have stuttering |
| [14:26:00] | clever: | i saw a pc online that has a striped down firefox+linux in the bios |
| [14:26:04] | clever: | which boots in seconds |
| [14:26:55] | directhex|work: | yes |
| [14:26:57] | techjim: | clever: I heard about that |
| [14:27:05] | directhex|work: | "splashtop". asus rebrand it "expressgate" |
| [14:27:07] | techjim: | asus eee looks nice by the way. |
| [14:27:42] | _mre|666: | damn |
| [14:27:53] | _mre|666: | i just picked up Hacking MythTV, the book, for $4.95 |
| [14:27:56] | _mre|666: | on amazon.com |
| [14:27:57] | _mre|666: | :P |
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| [14:28:07] | clever: | lol |
| [14:28:15] | clever: | and ive been doing it for free all this time |
| [14:28:19] | clever: | :P |
| [14:28:22] | _mre|666: | hahah |
| [14:28:41] | _mre|666: | $4.95 is less than 6pack of beer |
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| [14:29:00] | techjim: | directhex|work: argh, I wish that wasn't the case with wireless. I've read some blog posts about small via boxes w/ wireless and was under the impression wireless standards had gotten faster. |
| [14:29:02] | ** clever goes off to have a shower ** | |
| [14:29:13] | _mre|666: | yeah dude |
| [14:29:15] | _mre|666: | you stink |
| [14:29:17] | _mre|666: | heh jk |
| [14:29:20] | directhex|work: | techjim, speed is irrelevant |
| [14:29:21] | _mre|666: | cya later bro |
| [14:29:25] | quicksilver: | I have heard that 802.11g works, but I haven't seen it myself |
| [14:29:32] | quicksilver: | if it doesn't work, that's a software issue |
| [14:29:34] | directhex|work: | techjim, the problem is sustainable throughput |
| [14:29:39] | quicksilver: | just means mythtv frontend doesn't cache enough |
| [14:29:41] | quicksilver: | which could be true |
| [14:30:01] | directhex|work: | quicksilver, yes, that's true. how much is sensible on a 2 gig recording then? |
| [14:30:26] | techjim: | I meant throughput yeah. It's not a thing of ping o; |
| [14:30:54] | gbee: | 802.11g works very well for me, even had 802.11b working although it was pretty unreliable, might struggle with HD content though – I really can't say |
| [14:31:09] | quicksilver: | directhex|work: well the sensible amount is around 30 seconds of video, I'd have thought |
| [14:31:15] | quicksilver: | directhex|work: but maybe you can get away with less |
| [14:31:27] | directhex|work: | to make wireless work, best bet is to switch off the washing machine, microwave & fridge-freezer |
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| [14:32:02] | quicksilver: | I pla to try 802.11g sometime |
| [14:32:08] | quicksilver: | but only when I can afford a 2nd front end |
| [14:32:20] | directhex|work: | it'll be fine, until you actually come to use it |
| [14:33:47] | quicksilver: | well if it does work, I'll drop an ethernet cable through the ceiling |
| [14:33:50] | quicksilver: | erm |
| [14:33:52] | gbee: | it's a lottery, you'll find plenty of people who have never had significant problems with wi-fi and others who claim that it doesn't work at all in their homes |
| [14:33:52] | quicksilver: | if it doesn't |
| [14:33:53] | quicksilver: | :) |
| [14:34:51] | gbee: | I've no problems watching the highest bitrate SD streams one floor away from the router with all the electric appliances in the house on |
| [14:35:08] | gbee: | err, by router I mean access point |
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| [14:35:54] | gbee: | and now ~6 neighbours also using 802.11g, the two nearest both on the same channel |
| [14:37:44] | gbee: | the house is brick, so that probably helps to filter out some of the external noise – unlike our American friends who tend to live in wood houses which have little RF blocking abilities |
| [14:38:17] | directhex|work: | my house is fairly old. a yellowy stone used throughout the town |
| [14:38:46] | gbee: | mine is 1920s, pretty new |
| [14:39:16] | directhex|work: | mid 1800s i think |
| [14:42:53] | gbee: | ok, what makes minimyth so mini? Aside from the boot-over-network focus, would it use less resources than knoppmyth, mythdora, or mythbuntu? Are any of those pre-packaged solutions built to use the least amount of memory and cpu, over a normal distro install? |
| [14:43:47] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: It's like 50meg compressed so I think that;'s what they are referring too |
| [14:44:44] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: ok, disappointing, but I'm not that suprised |
| [14:46:28] | gbee: | this frontend will have it's own drive ~6Gb so I'm not worried about network boots or having to fit the OS into a tiny space |
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| [14:46:55] | gbee: | I'm just trying to save myself the effort of crafting my own, low resource install |
| [14:47:07] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:47:08] | jams: | then you want mythvantage! |
| [14:47:16] | justinh: | so will I |
| [14:47:30] | justinh: | might have my new mainboard today |
| [14:47:43] | ** GreyFoxx needs electricity for home. \ ** | |
| [14:47:45] | jams: | although nothing about it is for "low resource usage" |
| [14:47:54] | GreyFoxx: | Stupid storm took out power 3:30am yesterday :) |
| [14:47:56] | justinh: | who knows what intel tv output is like though |
| [14:48:40] | jams: | GreyFoxx- have you finsihed unpacking everything? |
| [14:49:05] | GreyFoxx: | Most of the computer gear anyway :) |
| [14:49:06] | justinh: | still pondering whether to go for a core 2 duo mobile for £100 ish or a lesser celery of 2ghz |
| [14:49:13] | jams: | heh |
| [14:49:23] | GreyFoxx: | I'm leaving the rest to my wife hehe |
| [14:49:24] | jams: | go with the mobile |
| [14:49:33] | justinh: | jams: either option has to be mobile |
| [14:49:42] | jams: | go with the core 2 |
| [14:49:55] | justinh: | sure it'll play HDTV but I don't need that yet |
| [14:50:18] | Daviey: | gbee: Loading a full kernel image via ntfs on 100Mb connection can take upto 2 mins + plus normal boot time |
| [14:50:30] | jams: | then maybe buy whatever is closest to you on the shelf? |
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| [14:50:57] | justinh: | Daviey: lol no no no ;) |
| [14:51:19] | Daviey: | why? |
| [14:51:24] | justinh: | though if you don't pare your own kernel down you're more of a glutton for punishment |
| [14:51:44] | justinh: | my frontend boots up in next to 60 secs into the myth menus |
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| [14:52:09] | Daviey: | justinh: PXE with no kernel image stored locally? |
| [14:52:11] | gbee: | Daviey: this kit isn't capable of network booting anyway |
| [14:52:16] | GreyFoxx: | my msntv frontends nfsrooted boot up to C in 12 seconds |
| [14:52:16] | justinh: | maybe it takes ubuntu that long |
| [14:52:20] | Daviey: | gbee: ah, yes it is! |
| [14:52:22] | GreyFoxx: | err X not C |
| [14:52:47] | GreyFoxx: | I've been playing with sleep and hibernation waking up with the remote. That's nifty stuff |
| [14:52:49] | gbee: | Daviey: ok ... you must know something I don't :) |
| [14:52:54] | GreyFoxx: | power up in 3 seconds |
| [14:52:56] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: how do you build that btw? I had a go once but couldn't work out what to get rid of/include |
| [14:53:33] | Daviey: | gbee: maybe not PXE.. but a fake boot device – such as CF / pendrive / floppy can act as PXE :) |
| [14:53:45] | justinh: | Daviey: always PXE |
| [14:53:46] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: I just manually went through the slackware init scripts and removed out tests and checks for stuff I know I wont be starting |
| [14:53:59] | Daviey: | justinh: my mobo doesn't support PXE :/ |
| [14:54:08] | Daviey: | but can netboot :) |
| [14:54:08] | GreyFoxx: | like "don't test to see if we want to run dhcpd" whenI know it wont ever be a dhcp server |
| [14:54:19] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:54:28] | GreyFoxx: | Took it down from 27 seconds to 12 once I was done |
| [14:54:53] | justinh: | I meant how do you get the image so small mostly. paring init scripts is well within my hacking abaility |
| [14:54:54] | GreyFoxx: | But since I leave them on 24/7 I spent more time looking at the init scripts that I would ever save :) |
| [14:54:57] | gbee: | Daviey: doesn't even support USB storage devices and I've ripped out the floppy driver |
| [14:55:02] | gbee: | drive |
| [14:55:02] | Daviey: | my new frontend has the cpu, AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3400+ – yeah i'm cheap |
| [14:55:25] | Daviey: | gbee: IDE? |
| [14:55:33] | gbee: | although I'm probably going to put it back, since the bios complains on boot even though I've disabled all the floppy stuff :( |
| [14:55:36] | justinh: | IDE DoM ftw :) |
| [14:55:59] | GreyFoxx: | justinh: Well I don't bother shrinking the overall size of the install since I nfsroot and don't care how big it is, just a lean bootup process |
| [14:56:09] | justinh: | ah. cheat :P |
| [14:56:10] | GreyFoxx: | I don't read it all into a ramdisk or anything |
| [14:56:12] | Daviey: | gbee: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Compact-Flash-CF-to-44P . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [14:56:19] | GreyFoxx: | disk is cheap :) |
| [14:56:27] | justinh: | gbee: you can buy a 1GB DoM for about £$15 |
| [14:56:40] | gbee: | Daviey: it's already got a HDD, I'm leaving it in there and ignoring the whole mess of network booting – especially since it will be wireless |
| [14:56:41] | justinh: | cheaper than a CF adapter & CF card combo |
| [14:57:06] | Daviey: | gbee: wuss! :) |
| [14:57:06] | GreyFoxx: | If I was going to make frontends that didn't nfsroot I'd use CF cards |
| [14:57:23] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: yeah I can spare couple of GB |
| [14:58:04] | gbee: | well that's _is_ cool, I've got to admit – maybe IF I get it working, I'll consider switching to a solid state solution for the OS |
| [14:58:30] | jams: | GreyFoxx- thats one of the things i have planned. To have the MBE have the ability to create small boot images for frontends. |
| [14:58:47] | justinh: | DoMs are generally much smaller than any naff CF reader/card combo too |
| [14:58:49] | Daviey: | ATI rock.. they don't support kernel 2.6.23 or 2.6.24 with their graphics driver, because they had _some_ issues AMD64 kernels.. i mean ffs – >80% of people don't use AMD64 |
| [14:59:10] | gbee: | I don't even know if I'll get mythfrontend working well enough on it yet – even then it might be a custom version of the code with as much ripped out as I can |
| [14:59:15] | Daviey: | apprently their ripped working code for i386 out :/ |
| [14:59:17] | jams: | tell the MBE to create a FE image for "hostname" then 10 minutes later your all ready togo. Just pop up the CF card and give it a try |
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| [15:00:01] | gbee: | justinh: that would be a plus point, except I'm not short on space, the height/width are governed by the screen and the depth by the mobo/optical drive |
| [15:00:02] | justinh: | jams: you been busy trumping knoppmyth again? :P |
| [15:00:10] | jams: | naw |
| [15:00:15] | jams: | no trumping here |
| [15:00:26] | Daviey: | gbee: small form factor DVD drives :) |
| [15:00:29] | gbee: | without the battery and floppy drive, there is actually going to be a large void inside the case |
| [15:00:41] | gbee: | Daviey: already got one |
| [15:00:47] | jams: | justinh- in fact i'm sure you will see some of my stuff in knoppmyth |
| [15:00:48] | Daviey: | gbee: which one? |
| [15:00:54] | justinh: | jams: coolness |
| [15:01:16] | Daviey: | justinh: jams is already the king of cool |
| [15:01:22] | jams: | i'm doing this for my own fun..not to take over the world or have a huge following |
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| [15:02:09] | justinh: | Daviey: I know, I've seen mythvantage. it rocks |
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| [15:03:15] | jams: | whenever .21 is released I will remove the signup/login requirment to download it |
| [15:03:33] | gbee: | well actually it's a CD-Rom, but will be upgraded to a DVD-Rom, again when I'm sure that it works as intended |
| [15:03:55] | justinh: | I'm going out on a bit of a limb with this new MB etc |
| [15:04:29] | jams: | gbee- were you the one looking at the asus eee ? |
| [15:04:31] | gbee: | http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/p1000829.jpg |
| [15:04:36] | gbee: | jams: yeah |
| [15:04:44] | Daviey: | gbee: did you try ordering direct from RM? |
| [15:04:51] | directhex|work: | what a great URL |
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| [15:05:11] | jams: | gbee- any cool plans for it, or just wanting to look at it? |
| [15:05:15] | gbee: | Daviey: not yet, they've been going cheaper elsewhere so I'm holding out for now |
| [15:05:31] | jams: | i'm thinking of picking one up..but can't decide |
| [15:05:43] | justinh: | can I have that heatsink? ;) |
| [15:05:45] | Daviey: | screen is too small for my liking |
| [15:05:49] | Daviey: | *wasted* space |
| [15:06:28] | jams: | i'm hoping the local store has one on the shelf so I can actually pick it up and try it out |
| [15:07:04] | gbee: | jams: will probably put mythfrontend on it, but mostly I just think it would make a nice replacement for my notebook for simple tasks |
| [15:07:08] | Daviey: | One of my friends has just been given an intel classmate to review (and probably keep) – git |
| [15:07:37] | gbee: | Daviey: I'm working with what I've got, yes the screen is small and not very high quality, but then it cost me £0 |
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| [15:07:50] | justinh: | directhex|work: should have that board today when I get home, or I might have to collect it tomorrow |
| [15:08:03] | justinh: | getting the CPU shortly when I make my mind up |
| [15:08:04] | gbee: | Daviey: oh, you mean the eee? |
| [15:08:17] | justinh: | then I guess when I mod the heatsink I'll take photos etc |
| [15:08:17] | gbee: | heh, well yes, the screen is small on that too |
| [15:08:23] | gbee: | but then that's the point |
| [15:08:25] | Daviey: | gbee: well done for taking it to bits – the last one i dismantled for a project, i broke the VGA ribbon – couldn't get a replacement (it was old and fragile anyway) |
| [15:09:12] | gbee: | justinh: the heatsink is a monster, was pretty worried when removing it that I'd damage the cpu since I could see a thing |
| [15:09:37] | GreyFoxx: | yay, power just came on at home. |
| [15:09:58] | gbee: | I've reassembled it just to be sure that it still works (and it does), next step is building the new case |
| [15:10:23] | jams: | GreyFoxx- who called first the wife or your computers? |
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| [15:10:28] | GreyFoxx: | computers :) |
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| [15:11:00] | GreyFoxx: | I wrote a PC tracker and all my systems (including laptops) send a heartbeat if they have a net connection every couple minutes :) |
| [15:11:13] | GreyFoxx: | the home stuff all just got a net connection :) |
| [15:11:27] | Daviey: | GreyFoxx: "watch ssh $homeip" :) |
| [15:11:55] | gbee: | the touchpad is going, but I'm keeping the buttons (if they still work once disconnected from the pad) – they'll provide basic controls on the device for mfe, but it will have an IR receiver for a remote |
| [15:11:57] | GreyFoxx: | no, the home IP's might change, and especially laptops |
| [15:12:29] | GreyFoxx: | originally I wrote it for work where we track lots of stuff that moves around and or is totally ourside of our control |
| [15:12:36] | GreyFoxx: | adapted it for my own uses |
| [15:13:36] | gbee: | need to see if I can find a cheap wireless PCMCIA card which doesn't have an external aerial, or at least a wire aerial instead of the PCB one in the card pictured there |
| [15:13:41] | Daviey: | I'm scared of reboots on my servers.. I always wonder if they will come up safe |
| [15:14:08] | BULLE: | Daviey: lvm snapshoots and xen ? |
| [15:14:09] | Daviey: | gbee: let me know if you find one that is well supported! |
| [15:14:30] | gbee: | sure |
| [15:14:38] | Daviey: | BULLE: Would be a good idea, but I am a daredevil! :D |
| [15:14:51] | gbee: | I'll probably document all this on the website anyway when I'm done |
| [15:15:09] | justinh: | I might give myself a bit of a push & get glass-wide out this week. then maybe I can fund the rest of the new FE with donations. lawl |
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| [15:15:11] | Daviey: | gbee: interested in coming to a UK install fest Feb 16th? |
| [15:15:37] | anykey_: | justinh: glass-wide? any screenshots yet? |
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| [15:16:40] | Daviey: | justinh: regarding donations; how about i give you 30% of all donations made to mythbuntu for this month. Considering we are shipping your themes :) |
| [15:17:17] | gbee: | Daviey: maybe, bit early to say |
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| [15:17:45] | gbee: | Daviey: heh, I've got a theme you can ship ;) |
| [15:17:47] | Daviey: | gbee: ahh, go on – all the cool kids will be there |
| [15:17:57] | justinh: | Daviey: seriously?! |
| [15:18:08] | anykey_: | justinh: just found some, very nice |
| [15:18:10] | Daviey: | justinh: have a guess how much we'll get? |
| [15:18:17] | justinh: | anykey_: www.mythtvthemes.co.uk – see the preview page |
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| [15:18:24] | justinh: | Daviey: 0.00 ? |
| [15:18:25] | Daviey: | 30% of £0 won't go to far i'm afriad :) |
| [15:18:33] | jams: | heh |
| [15:18:52] | Daviey: | justinh: Hope i didn't get your hopes up, i hoped you would have got that :) |
| [15:18:56] | gbee: | last event I was at wasn't such a great success, not that we knew ahead of time it would be a waste of time |
| [15:19:08] | justinh: | LRL == waste of time, full of wankers |
| [15:19:21] | ** Daviey grumbles at being at LRL ** | |
| [15:19:22] | justinh: | crew & certain speakers excluded |
| [15:19:44] | Daviey: | gbee: it wasn't _that_ bad was it? |
| [15:19:54] | gbee: | time before that I end up in hosptial for two days and with serious injuries – I don't believe in bad luck, but mythtv related events haven't gone so well for me in the past ;) |
| [15:19:59] | justinh: | actually to tell the truth there weren't that many wankers there, but the ones I met more than made up for it |
| [15:20:09] | Daviey: | gbee: Anyway, this will be an excuse to meet up with other mythers, and noobs wanting to setup myth |
| [15:20:16] | Daviey: | ^ should be less prats |
| [15:20:44] | justinh: | there should be a developer's conference |
| [15:20:55] | GreyFoxx: | That would be cook |
| [15:20:58] | GreyFoxx: | cool even |
| [15:21:00] | gbee: | justinh: was just a lack of interest that ruined it really, compared to Linuxworld the year before |
| [15:21:22] | GreyFoxx: | a hackfest like the openbsd crowd do |
| [15:21:32] | GreyFoxx: | a lot get accomplished/started in those weeks |
| [15:21:47] | jarle_: | justinh: Will there be a glass OSD also to go along with the theme? |
| [15:21:48] | Daviey: | gbee: I don't know.. it was kinda hidden in the corner; and i felt uncomfortable loitering around; as i was interupting your racing :) |
| [15:22:02] | gbee: | justinh: that's come up IIRC, think it was suggested that all the European devs meet up – probably in Germany, though I've a feeling that Janne suggested the location :p |
| [15:22:20] | Daviey: | UK would be better IMO :) |
| [15:22:30] | justinh: | jarle_: no doubt there'll be an OSD included with it |
| [15:22:53] | justinh: | heheh a workmate has just seen it & suggested I charge £10 a download |
| [15:22:54] | jarle_: | justinh: looks good so far! |
| [15:23:05] | justinh: | hmmm tempting.. |
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| [15:23:38] | justinh: | we could all ship out to Linuxtag & see what it's all about |
| [15:24:03] | gbee: | Daviey: yeah, we didn't get the best positioning and the talks drew the crowds away from the expositions anway |
| [15:24:26] | Daviey: | gbee: and the racing drew the attention :) |
| [15:24:33] | justinh: | I talked to people after LRL who didn't even know we were there :( |
| [15:24:52] | Daviey: | justinh: we need a banner! |
| [15:25:22] | justinh: | anyway I'm sticking by what I said. won't be going next time |
| [15:25:41] | Daviey: | justinh: I'll twist your arm no doubt! |
| [15:25:45] | justinh: | linuxworld maybe, if I'm asked |
| [15:25:47] | clever: | since i started using mythtv the myth and mysql have been 2 hours away from localtime |
| [15:25:49] | Daviey: | It would be a shame if you don't |
| [15:25:56] | gbee: | think the huge TV helped at linuxworld and the position was better anyway |
| [15:26:08] | justinh: | Daviey: I don't get along with the whole LRL thing |
| [15:26:14] | Daviey: | justinh: will you come to linuxworld (if/when it happens).. There consider yourself offically asked |
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| [15:26:22] | clever: | i was forcing myth to gmt-5 |
| [15:26:31] | clever: | but now with the DST change the mysql is gmt-6 |
| [15:26:37] | clever: | causing a 1 hour diff in mysql/myth |
| [15:26:46] | justinh: | w00t! W000000000000000t! they said "fuck" on the stage! wooooooooooo! yeah!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [15:26:57] | clever: | it seemed to be working fine so i forced myth to gmt-4(local) |
| [15:27:05] | gbee: | there is something a little too cliquey about LRL |
| [15:27:08] | clever: | so now myth/mysql are 2 hours appart |
| [15:27:08] | Daviey: | justinh: yeah.. i agree there |
| [15:27:17] | clever: | and my recordings seem to be starting an hour early |
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| [15:27:47] | clever: | how would i offset the recordings to happen 1 hour latter? |
| [15:27:58] | Daviey: | change teh time |
| [15:28:09] | justinh: | I dunno, maybe they all take ballmer-isms as being a good thing for PR |
| [15:28:12] | clever: | its sync'ed with NTP |
| [15:28:14] | clever: | cant change it |
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| [15:29:02] | djc__: | Am having a problem with backend that I'm not sure how to troubleshoot. It doesnt crash, but after some indeterminate amount of time (of at least several hours), the frontend loses the connection, and even restarting the fe doesnt get it back again.. The be hasnt crashed, its still there, and if I have it started with -v all I still see some activity in the log (looks like its checking for auto-expire stuff). But until I restart it, I cant connect to it |
| [15:29:02] | djc__: | from a FE |
| [15:29:05] | Daviey: | clever: yes you can... |
| [15:29:20] | clever: | Daviey: where? |
| [15:29:33] | Daviey: | clever: what distro? |
| [15:29:42] | clever: | Daviey: ubuntu 6.06 |
| [15:30:07] | Daviey: | clever: with desktop? |
| [15:30:12] | clever: | kde |
| [15:30:16] | Daviey: | poop |
| [15:30:16] | quicksilver: | win 20 |
| [15:30:34] | clever: | Daviey: i can still run gnome programs |
| [15:30:36] | ByteChanger: | H00chster: You rock!!! |
| [15:31:20] | justinh: | is this the same clever dude who was talking about ripping the guts of his desktop install out yesterday? ;) |
| [15:31:22] | Daviey: | clever: just use "sudo tzselect" |
| [15:31:25] | jarle_: | djc__: I have similar problem with my backend, I just run monit to make sure the backend is restarted when it is not responding... |
| [15:31:47] | clever: | justinh: yes and the system is still running |
| [15:32:01] | justinh: | but you wonder how come stuff is messed up :P |
| [15:32:11] | clever: | Daviey: that script i beleive just outputs a timezone on stdout for use by other scripts |
| [15:32:16] | djc__: | yeah well, I will do something like that.. But Id still like to figure out what the problem is and file a ticket on it at least, if I cant fix it myself |
| [15:32:24] | Daviey: | clever: try it first, yeah? |
| [15:32:33] | clever: | Daviey: it wont actualy change anything |
| [15:32:37] | Daviey: | ffs |
| [15:32:40] | clever: | Nothe that tzselect will not actually change the timezone for you. Use the tzconfig(8) utility to achieve this. |
| [15:32:43] | clever: | (man page) |
| [15:32:52] | justinh: | Daviey: we'd have missed the cutoff for LW expo anyway I think. it was a great drinksfest, good laugh – but I hate London |
| [15:34:10] | ** justinh forms the not-for-profit MythTVPromotion Foundation. Its role is to publicise mythtv & gather opinion about it all over the world. we make sure there's no profits by running up a big drinks tab ** | |
| [15:34:13] | Daviey: | justinh: Is there a new date? |
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| [15:34:51] | jams: | justinh,Greyfoxx. Think it's worth listing the tuners for the backend in http://www.mythvantage.com/network.png |
| [15:35:06] | justinh: | it's in Jan or Feb IIRC, and suggestions for the open source village had to be in by the end of sept IIRC |
| [15:35:07] | clever: | Daviey: also if i change the global timezone i damage the other services i run |
| [15:35:12] | jarle_: | djc__: using dvb-s ? |
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| [15:35:23] | Daviey: | clever: ffs.. run the script |
| [15:35:31] | clever: | Daviey: im using a TZ env variable to override the global setting for myth |
| [15:35:42] | Daviey: | then what is the problem? |
| [15:35:54] | clever: | mythtv is recording 1 hour early |
| [15:36:08] | Finswimmer: | hi, i got following output: "you should have gotten a channel lock by now". but in the right corner i can read: "no lock". with mplayer dvb://zdf everything is working fine |
| [15:36:11] | Daviey: | then change the TZ |
| [15:36:34] | clever: | `date` outputs the correct time when TZ is set |
| [15:36:35] | gbee: | if LinuxWorld was outside of London, then I'd happily do it every year – would probably only consider it again if user contributions went a decent way to covering the travel and accommodation |
| [15:36:42] | clever: | but the guide data for the channels is off by an hour |
| [15:37:46] | justinh: | Daviey: http://www.linuxexpo.org.uk/ |
| [15:37:58] | clever: | Daviey: if i change the TZ till its 'fixed' then its no longer local time and im right back where i started an hour ago |
| [15:38:04] | justinh: | gbee: well, experience has shown that we could sell CDs |
| [15:38:17] | gbee: | justinh: aye |
| [15:38:49] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: dvb-s? |
| [15:38:53] | justinh: | though to make enough to cover travel and/or accomodation would take a lot of discs |
| [15:39:02] | Finswimmer: | anykey_: no. dvb-c |
| [15:39:07] | gbee: | still asking for applications to the village though ... |
| [15:39:22] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: did you import the channels.conf? |
| [15:39:37] | Finswimmer: | anykey_: yes |
| [15:39:40] | clever: | how would i go about offsetting the guide data by 1 hour |
| [15:40:05] | jarle_: | djc__: I think there is some unstable dvb-s code that can cause the backend to become unstable, personally I'm considering checking out svn to see if I can get my backend a bit more stable... |
| [15:40:05] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: it probably messed up the freqs |
| [15:40:08] | gbee: | if we could get the same number of volunteers as 2006, then I'd be tempted |
| [15:40:09] | justinh: | gbee: maybe it'd be worth asking for donations to pay for rooms & transport. you never know |
| [15:40:22] | djc__: | im using svn, but im not using any dvb |
| [15:40:42] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: can you check the dtv_multiplex table against the channels.conf? |
| [15:40:42] | justinh: | staying in london isn't cheap. the hovel I stayed at was 85 a night |
| [15:40:43] | djc__: | afaik, anyway. no dvb tuner cards or anything.. in fact no tuner cards at all, just network recorders |
| [15:40:47] | gbee: | justinh: xris is suggesting funding this sort of thing through the sale of mythtv merchandise |
| [15:40:55] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: if it messed up, I can give you a script which fixes it |
| [15:40:59] | Finswimmer: | anykey_: uhh. how do i do tthis? |
| [15:41:20] | justinh: | miffyteevee wemote contwohls :D |
| [15:41:52] | jarle_: | djc__: oki, then I have noe idea... |
| [15:42:20] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: http://pastebin.com/m1562a294 <- run this script (fill in the password), it should fix your issues. Run with ./fix_channels.sh <path/to/channels.conf> |
| [15:42:26] | djc__: | well, im just trying to figure out how to troubleshoot it.. i dont expect someone to tell me whats wrong |
| [15:42:41] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: assuming you didn't change the callsigns |
| [15:42:47] | gbee: | heh, well I've thought about it myself – even before xris started to think about it as a revenue stream for SD |
| [15:42:54] | djc__: | like I said, it doesn actually crash.. its still running, and in fact appears to still be doing things.. i just cant connect to it from the fe anymore |
| [15:43:01] | djc__: | or even http://localhost:6544/ |
| [15:43:08] | djc__: | or rather, that connects, but doesnt response |
| [15:43:16] | djc__: | responD |
| [15:43:34] | gbee: | offering a % of the profits to a mythtv pool and the balance to pay for my attendance at events like LinuxWorld |
| [15:43:47] | justinh: | not a bad plan |
| [15:44:02] | justinh: | wonder how much it costs to book the GMEX |
| [15:44:24] | gbee: | lmao, the whole thing? |
| [15:45:23] | justinh: | I'm serious about trying to get donations. I mean OSS is a lot like charity in so many different ways |
| [15:45:51] | anykey_: | justinh: how much would you expect from one user? |
| [15:45:59] | clever: | how would i go about offsetting the guide data by 1 hour |
| [15:46:13] | Finswimmer: | anykey_: $./fix_channels.sh channels.conf |
| [15:46:13] | Finswimmer: | ERROR 1267 (HY000) at line 1: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' |
| [15:46:16] | Finswimmer: | ERROR 1267 (HY000) at line 1: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '=' |
| [15:46:21] | BULLE: | clever: basicly, you dont |
| [15:46:24] | justinh: | anykey_: whatever they feel. it's all take, take take ;) |
| [15:46:30] | clever: | BULLE: why not? |
| [15:46:44] | BULLE: | clever: keep the system clock correct instead ? |
| [15:46:49] | anykey_: | justinh: hehehe ok, you may see something from me, when I'm at home ;) |
| [15:47:04] | clever: | BULLE: the system clock is synced with NTP and the TZ arround mythtv is set to make it local |
| [15:47:10] | anykey_: | justinh: I really really like the blootube theme, and I would like to give back something... if a donation helps for you? |
| [15:47:13] | justinh: | anykey_: no I didn't mean about donations to my site. I meant funding people travelling around to spread the word about mythtv |
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| [15:47:20] | anykey_: | aaah |
| [15:47:23] | gbee: | justinh: so am I frankly, I just don't normally discuss it since not everyone likes the ideas of developers receiving donations, I don't want to offend anyone |
| [15:47:25] | anykey_: | sorry, didn't get that |
| [15:47:35] | BULLE: | clever: NTP should realy just give you UTC, so then its a timezone issue |
| [15:47:41] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: don't know what causes this... |
| [15:47:52] | clever: | BULLE: yeah i know ntp is UTC based |
| [15:47:57] | justinh: | anykey_: if you feel like donating I don't want to talk you out of it ;) but at the same time I never intend to drum up business here |
| [15:48:13] | gbee: | at the same time, travelling to these events costs money and I'm not paid anything for the work I do on mythtv, so... |
| [15:48:21] | justinh: | gbee: exactly |
| [15:48:23] | anykey_: | justinh: well, is this business? Your themes make myth so much better (in my opinion!), so well ;-) |
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| [15:48:38] | justinh: | hell even if we just got money for travel & accomodation – we can buy our own food & beers |
| [15:48:52] | gbee: | aye |
| [15:48:55] | BULLE: | gbee: for what its worth, in my personal opinion i think its a sane use of any possible donation, to use them for traveling expenses etc |
| [15:49:23] | BULLE: | gbee: its easy to keep track of costs, its 100% for the benefit of mythtv etc, its a good idea imho |
| [15:49:37] | justinh: | we can even give people proof of how it was spent ;) |
| [15:50:00] | justinh: | starting to sound like a registered charity |
| [15:50:19] | Daviey: | justinh: keep pub reciepts? |
| [15:50:20] | Finswimmer: | anykey_: hmm. does not seem to work. should the script return something if it has finished correct? |
| [15:50:25] | justinh: | crane hire, for traversing high fences, £100 per hour |
| [15:50:34] | gbee: | ROFL |
| [15:51:27] | anykey_: | justinh: if I want to donate, it adds 2 pounds handling + shipping? :p |
| [15:51:29] | justinh: | or maybe we should just get a stunt double instead |
| [15:51:44] | justinh: | anykey_: I heard that. I'll try to sort it out |
| [15:51:46] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: no, nothing. If it ran, it has updated your database and the channels should now work |
| [15:51:47] | gbee: | I like the fact that people are more prepared to contribute for themes than the code – think this theme design lark is worth persuing beyond the one I'm working on ;) |
| [15:51:58] | anykey_: | justinh: but you get that two bucks? |
| [15:52:05] | justinh: | anykey_: yeah I do |
| [15:52:09] | anykey_: | ok ;) |
| [15:52:22] | justinh: | I need to get my badge store back on the case |
| [15:52:47] | Daviey: | justinh: i need to get the badges i bought from you "on the case" and off the paper |
| [15:53:13] | justinh: | lol that was like how many months ago now? |
| [15:53:27] | Daviey: | They are still on the microwave :) |
| [15:53:39] | gbee: | you'd have sold every single one of those in the first two hours at LW |
| [15:53:45] | justinh: | what model microwave? I didn't know they can run linux! |
| [15:54:04] | directhex|work: | justinh, pfft, the king of running on household appliances is netbsd! |
| [15:54:32] | directhex|work: | http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/in-Action/riz-toaster.jpg |
| [15:54:34] | directhex|work: | toasty! |
| [15:54:37] | ** justinh pats his OS/9 wristwatch ** | |
| [15:55:07] | Daviey: | does anybody else imagine that toaster being as annoying as the one in Red Dwarf? |
| [15:55:18] | ** justinh puts his hand up ** | |
| [15:55:25] | gbee: | :D |
| [15:55:40] | Daviey: | "Talkie Toaster" |
| [15:55:42] | anykey_: | justinh: there you go ;) |
| [15:56:04] | djc__: | well, the only problem with monit is 1. it doesnt seem to support smtp authentication for sending its email alerts |
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| [15:56:35] | justinh: | cheers anykey_ :) much appreciated, whatever the amount |
| [15:56:38] | Daviey: | directhex|work: I really don't want a kernel panic when i'm cooking toast. |
| [15:56:49] | Ekman: | I want to buy a dbv-s2 card to use with mythtv.. Sweden. Any suggestions? |
| [15:57:20] | justinh: | Ekman: see www.linuxtv.org & their mailing list about dvb-s2 support (or lack of it) in linux |
| [15:57:20] | djc__: | mythbox runs on a home network with no servers.. i do have a server on the net, but must be able to smtp authenticate to send email.. now, i could install msmtp, which supports smtp auth, but it isnt an smtp deamon itself, and while it could pretend to be sendmail and accept messages from monit that way, monit doesnt support sending that way, only via direct (unauthenticated) smtp |
| [15:57:51] | ** gbee sets up a paypal button and waits ** | |
| [15:57:56] | gbee: | :p |
| [15:58:01] | anykey_: | justinh: it's not that much, but I can't afford anything more right now, all that hardware stuff is too expensive ;) |
| [15:58:14] | Ekman: | justinh, I have read through it but it doesn't really tell wich card really work.. some one must have a working hdtv setup right? |
| [15:59:00] | ByteChanger: | Does anyone know of a good guide for lirc w/ a nexus remote?? |
| [15:59:09] | justinh: | Ekman: I really don't know how much of dvb-s2 is supported in mythtv, if any |
| [15:59:30] | justinh: | most HD going on in mythtv ain't in Europe yet |
| [15:59:50] | justinh: | since you kinda need a VERY fast machine to play h.264 HD right now |
| [15:59:58] | anykey_: | Ekman: there are no DVB-S2 cards for linux, I think |
| [16:00:18] | justinh: | anykey_: I think one or 2 work but can't say which ones exactly |
| [16:00:27] | Ekman: | anykey_, there are several if you look at www.linuxtv.org |
| [16:00:33] | justinh: | the bigger question is whether or not mythtv works with dvb-s2 |
| [16:00:44] | anykey_: | oh, something's changed then ;-) Well, they're starting HD tomorrow here :) |
| [16:00:59] | Ekman: | Im thinking of trying Hauppauge WinTV-NOVA-HD-S2 and Technotrend S2–3200 |
| [16:01:28] | Daviey: | Anybody recommend a hybrid DVB-T + analog onboard mpeg encoder PCI card |
| [16:01:31] | Daviey: | ? |
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| [16:01:35] | justinh: | Daviey: HVR1300 ? |
| [16:01:53] | justinh: | not that I'd recommend anyone buy a hybrid anything |
| [16:02:09] | Finswimmer: | anykey_: any further idea what could be wrong? |
| [16:02:14] | Daviey: | justinh: "just works" |
| [16:02:20] | Ekman: | Whats the best standard DVB-S card then? |
| [16:02:41] | Daviey: | justinh: I hate the idea of hybrid tbh.. but it's "incase" this guy moves and doesn't want to open the case – he's a geek! |
| [16:02:42] | Ekman: | if i should order one of them too in case nåne of the dvb-s2 doesn't work |
| [16:02:45] | justinh: | Daviey: 'just works' is as close as you're gonna get then |
| [16:02:50] | anykey_: | Finswimmer: there's something wrong with your database configuration regarding the charsets. I don't know how to fix this on the mysql console, but you could easly go with phpmyadmin and change the encodings to match |
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| [16:03:15] | Daviey: | justinh: i mean't to add a "?" to "just works" ;) |
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| [16:03:49] | justinh: | dunno about that. the dvb part has worked since day one I think. the mpeg encoder bit isn't ivtv though IIRC |
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| [16:04:44] | djc__: | heh |
| [16:04:46] | djc__: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4129 |
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| [16:04:59] | djc__: | was just looking thru -commits and found that.. |
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| [16:06:08] | Ekman: | any suggestions on best buy in ordinaru dvb-s cards for mythtv? |
| [16:06:38] | Daviey: | Ekman: Nova DVB-s should work |
| [16:06:50] | Daviey: | I used DVB-T and have been rock solid for a few years |
| [16:07:18] | directhex|work: | Ekman, you want with or without CI slot? |
| [16:07:22] | BULLE: | Ekman: consult the linux dvb page i would say |
| [16:07:39] | gbee: | http://linuxtv.org |
| [16:08:29] | Ekman: | directhex, without |
| [16:08:35] | Ekman: | Im using my CS-server |
| [16:08:44] | Daviey: | CS? |
| [16:08:49] | justinh: | oh then you can't get help for that here |
| [16:09:25] | justinh: | mythtv does not condone or support the use of softcams and card sharing crap |
| [16:09:29] | Ekman: | newcs.. I got the cards connected via an external cardreader |
| [16:09:45] | justinh: | mythtv only supports hardware CAMs |
| [16:10:45] | Ekman: | I'll check into the linuxtv.org list again.. there seemed to be a bunch of good cards |
| [16:11:01] | directhex|work: | and so endeth support, due to the joys of softcams |
| [16:11:35] | Finswimmer: | is there a way to get a really fresh dvb-c scan to fill the database? |
| [16:11:56] | Daviey: | Finswimmer: there is always a way |
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| [16:14:52] | jarle_: | Ekman: I'm using two Terratec Cinergy 1200 dvb-s cards in my setup |
| [16:18:09] | directhex|work: | http://www.playmessiah.com/products/ps3/darklite-dvd-remote.htm |
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| [16:29:34] | gbee: | my mythmusic screen isn't quite as original as I'd wanted, but I'll be interested in the reaction |
| [16:29:54] | justinh: | meh. new support doc claiming that the datarate has been 'improved' from 6MB/sec to 10mb/sec. TEN MILLIBITS/SEC?! ;) |
| [16:30:03] | lucas2: | hey. does anybody know how to specify a nonstandard xmltv grabber for my videosource? |
| [16:30:15] | justinh: | gbee: let's have a looksky then :) |
| [16:30:35] | justinh: | lucas2: mythfilldatabase --file $somexmltvfile.xmltv |
| [16:30:36] | gbee: | justinh: missing images atm, but later tonight maybe :) |
| [16:31:08] | justinh: | I hate my music screens end of story. damn limiting ui code |
| [16:31:10] | gbee: | lucas2: get the author of the grabber to support the standards and then it will just work |
| [16:31:34] | lucas2: | gbee: I'm pretty sure it supports the xmltv standards 100 |
| [16:31:36] | lucas2: | %. |
| [16:31:42] | gbee: | justinh: layout isn't really that different, but I'm trying something different with the buttons |
| [16:31:48] | lucas2: | what I'm having trouble with is figuring out how to get mythfilldatabase to call it. |
| [16:31:54] | gbee: | mythtv-setup |
| [16:32:03] | gbee: | videosources |
| [16:32:16] | justinh: | I always want to try something different with the buttons, like make it look like a _real_ music player app, but then I see the playlist mess & give up |
| [16:32:30] | gbee: | hmm, did I backport the grabber search dialogue |
| [16:32:58] | justinh: | gbee: putting them in a circle eh? ;) |
| [16:33:08] | gbee: | damn it! |
| [16:33:21] | gbee: | I'll sue if you copy it :p |
| [16:33:24] | justinh: | go for it. I've not got the balls for it |
| [16:33:31] | gbee: | hehe |
| [16:33:39] | justinh: | don't really use mythmusic at home anymore |
| [16:34:13] | justinh: | and as for the OSD for glass-wide sure I'll do one but I can't benefit from it yet cos I use xvmc. xvmc + colorkey hack == no transparency |
| [16:34:33] | justinh: | though I might just undo the colorkey hack |
| [16:34:44] | lucas2: | gbee: mythtv-setup -> videosources -> listingsgrabber: this lets me select a grabber from a list of 4 different ones. Do you know how I can get the grabber I want to use in that list? |
| [16:34:57] | justinh: | lucas2: modify the source :) |
| [16:35:08] | lucas2: | it's hardcoded? |
| [16:35:26] | justinh: | like so much is, yeah |
| [16:36:00] | justinh: | or rather it was in trunk, then it was changed to search for grabbers but maybe that code wasn't backported to 0.20 |
| [16:36:07] | janneg: | neither in 0.20.2 or -fixes or trunk |
| [16:36:53] | janneg: | make sure that tv_find_grabbers find the grabber you want |
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| [16:38:29] | lucas2: | janneg: thanks! |
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| [16:47:55] | gbee: | lucas2: tv_find_grabbers searches all the directories in $PATH looking for files starting tv_grab_ |
| [16:48:26] | gbee: | so make sure the grabber is in /usr/bin/ or /usr/local/bin and starts is named tv_grab_* |
| [16:48:56] | gbee: | mythtv specifically looks for grabbers supporting the basic standards, baseline and manual iirc |
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| [16:49:27] | gbee: | tv_find_grabbers baseline manual |
| [16:49:54] | gbee: | sorry, that should be manualconfig |
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| [16:50:23] | anton_: | I have a strage problem: my recordings is corrupted. Do anyone have a clue? |
| [16:51:11] | directhex|work: | not me, i'm clueless |
| [16:51:53] | ** BULLE is a cluehole, like a blackhole, but for clues instead of light ** | |
| [16:52:05] | gbee: | anton_: what type of recordings? DVB, ATSC or analogue? Could the signal have been bad when they were recorded, or have they become corrupted since they were recorded? Are the actual files corrupted, or will they just not play back in mythtv? Are you talking about the recording information or the video? |
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| [16:53:31] | anton_: | gbbe: DVB. Perfect signal :) I can watch them while recording them, but when i try to watch them (both in mythtv and mplayer) it looks corrupted |
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| [16:53:51] | anton_: | mplayer says things like "a52: error at resampling" and "a52: CRC check failed!" |
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| [16:54:50] | lucas2: | gbee: thanks, working now. discovering there was such a thing as tv_find_grabbers was my missing link. |
| [16:56:07] | anton_: | and i use XFS for my recoring partition |
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| [16:57:31] | BULLE: | anton_: funny thing is, that if you watch while recording in mythtv, you are already reading the file from disk, as mythtv always records, even during livetv |
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| [16:59:18] | anton_: | bulle: yes i know :) does mythtv encode (xvid etc.) recordings when they aren't live? |
| [16:59:30] | anton_: | *isn't :) |
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| [17:00:40] | BULLE: | anton_: you can configure mythtv to transcode recordings at a later time yes |
| [17:00:56] | BULLE: | anton_: just like you can configure it to flag commercials and so on |
| [17:02:12] | clever: | http://www.pastebin.ca/762378 |
| [17:02:30] | clever: | looks like svn crashed horibly |
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| [17:03:40] | ** black_Nightmare_ pokes mzb :P ** | |
| [17:03:42] | ** black_Nightmare_ hehs ** | |
| [17:04:36] | jams: | oops looks like lixsystems isn't around anymore |
| [17:05:32] | jams: | at least their web address is now a page about travel/home/insurance |
| [17:05:54] | clever: | lol |
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| [17:08:36] | jams: | morning xris |
| [17:09:10] | xris: | morning |
| [17:09:40] | clever: | how would i offset my guide data by x hours? |
| [17:10:07] | iamlindoro: | ou can do that in mythtv-setup, I believe, there's a spot for guide offset |
| [17:10:18] | clever: | i checked but didnt see it |
| [17:10:21] | clever: | i know ive seen it before |
| [17:11:25] | clever: | ahh there it is |
| [17:11:27] | ** clever plays with it ** | |
| [17:11:40] | clever: | but does it affect non xmltv? |
| [17:11:56] | jams: | you can also do it per channel with the channel editor |
| [17:12:12] | clever: | i beleive its all channels are off |
| [17:14:06] | jams: | then you should set the hardware clock to UTC, set the timzeone correctly, delete all program guide data and run mythfilldatabase |
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| [17:15:04] | clever: | NTP is setting the system clock |
| [17:15:07] | jams: | or just restart mythbackend if you have not yet done so after the time change |
| [17:15:09] | clever: | and i cant change /etc/localtime |
| [17:15:45] | clever: | i was using export TZ=CDT5 on all systems to force everything to match mysql |
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| [17:16:08] | clever: | but then dst changed mysql so its an hour off from myth |
| [17:16:29] | clever: | it seemed to still be working so i changed the TZ wraper to local time |
| [17:16:47] | jams: | have you restartd mysql/myth* ? |
| [17:17:03] | clever: | nothing in the mysql end is changing |
| [17:17:21] | clever: | but i did just stop all myth progs and restarted just the master backend |
| [17:17:35] | clever: | mythfilldb is running now |
| [17:19:23] | clever: | also mysql isnt set to the same timezone as myth |
| [17:19:45] | jams: | clever- does select now(); show the right time? |
| [17:19:50] | jams: | with mysql |
| [17:19:55] | clever: | it shows a time a few hours off |
| [17:20:05] | clever: | which i need to keep that way(for the other things using mysql) |
| [17:20:24] | clever: | 2 hours off exactly |
| [17:23:07] | jams: | hey xris which quad core do you have? |
| [17:23:12] | jams: | the 6600 ? |
| [17:23:37] | xris: | yeah |
| [17:23:41] | xris: | q6600 |
| [17:23:55] | jams: | thinking about getting that one as well |
| [17:24:35] | xris: | it's a nice proc |
| [17:24:39] | xris: | totally overkill for myth, though |
| [17:24:46] | jams: | yeah it's not for myth |
| [17:24:54] | jams: | it's for my desktop and compiling stuff |
| [17:25:25] | BULLE: | the quad cpus generate way to much heat for mythuse imho |
| [17:25:27] | jams: | my current cpu seems to loose a few mhz every day |
| [17:25:48] | leprechau: | hrm....recently, my mythtv box has been making the tv screen blank out every so often ... (goes to blue screen) and I have to hit a key or something to bring it back |
| [17:26:00] | leprechau: | dpms is not set in the xorg.conf anywhere...what else might be doing it? |
| [17:26:05] | xris: | BULLE: my new chassis doesn't seem to get louder, and I've been running folding@home on 2 cores for a week or so |
| [17:26:09] | leprechau: | do i need to explicitly disable dpms someplace? |
| [17:26:29] | xris: | leprechau: I finally just gave up and removed any screensaver apps |
| [17:26:49] | leprechau: | xris, did you have the same problem? |
| [17:26:56] | jams: | anything interesting with xset -q |
| [17:27:10] | xris: | leprechau: yeah. I'm just too lazy to fix it the "real" way |
| [17:27:25] | leprechau: | hehe...what's the 'real' way? |
| [17:28:11] | xris: | I don't know. too lazy to find out. |
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| [17:28:22] | leprechau: | gotcha ;} |
| [17:28:26] | clever: | there is an option in the power area of xscreensaver |
| [17:28:30] | leprechau: | removing all screensaver apps now ;} |
| [17:28:32] | clever: | which i beleive lets you control dpms |
| [17:28:53] | jams: | leprechau- anything interesting with xset -q |
| [17:29:06] | leprechau: | lemme check..i'll have to login to that box local |
| [17:29:27] | jams: | that will tell you if it's X or some other screensaver kicking in. |
| [17:30:08] | xris: | clever: my problem was that gnome-screensaver would blank the screen no matter what I set |
| [17:30:21] | clever: | isnt called gnome- on my system |
| [17:30:31] | clever: | but removing it completely would do it |
| [17:31:07] | BULLE: | xris: im one of those that want completely fanless operation, and the tdp goes from 60watts for the dualcore to 110watts for the quadcores |
| [17:31:13] | clever: | DPMS (Energy Star): |
| [17:31:14] | clever: | Standby: 60 Suspend: 60 Off: 120 |
| [17:31:14] | clever: | DPMS is Enabled |
| [17:31:15] | clever: | Monitor is Off |
| [17:31:34] | clever: | (from my frontend that does shut its display off, sshed in so i didnt wake it) |
| [17:31:36] | jams: | xris i know you were interested in collecting hardware stats, Anything missing from smolt.mythvantage.com that you would like ot see added? |
| [17:31:49] | xris: | jams: I don't think that was me |
| [17:31:52] | xris: | at least, not recently |
| [17:32:06] | jams: | hmm ok |
| [17:33:35] | clever: | jams: what sends info to that site? |
| [17:33:44] | jams: | well either way, if you happen to have a suggestion i would consider it |
| [17:33:59] | jams: | clever- the mythplugin i wrote |
| [17:34:04] | clever: | ahh |
| [17:34:23] | clever: | is it within the plugins brach of svn? |
| [17:34:29] | jams: | nope |
| [17:34:42] | jams: | don't know if it ever will be either |
| [17:34:59] | clever: | could still give out a .tar for it |
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| [17:42:14] | xris: | jams: if you're shopping for myth hardware, just get a cheap multi-core proc. all of the core2 stuff is more than fast enough for myth |
| [17:43:09] | jams: | the quadcore is for my desktop to compile and develop stuff |
| [17:43:21] | jams: | i'm tired of waiting on things to compile |
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| [17:43:28] | black_Nightmare_: | sorry had to afk to handle something |
| [17:50:16] | clever: | i set the xmltv offset in mythtv-setup to 30mins |
| [17:50:16] | clever: | so it would be obvious when it took effect |
| [17:50:22] | clever: | nothing happened:P |
| [17:50:36] | clever: | everything is still off 2 hours |
| [17:53:23] | iamlindoro: | clever, perhaps worth running a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all? |
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| [17:53:29] | iamlindoro: | or perhaps you already tried that |
| [17:53:31] | clever: | i truncated the program table |
| [17:53:35] | clever: | and reran mythfilldb |
| [17:53:35] | iamlindoro: | ah ok |
| [17:53:46] | iamlindoro: | nm then |
| [17:53:48] | clever: | and for a few min's it said no data |
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| [17:53:51] | robbins61: | hello all |
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| [17:56:31] | clever: | hello 1 |
| [17:56:34] | black_Nightmare_: | hey robbins |
| [17:56:43] | black_Nightmare_: | hey iamlindoro didn't we talk before? |
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| [17:57:48] | lwizardl: | Hi |
| [17:58:24] | iamlindoro: | black_nightmare, well, I was here when you were last night.. why? |
| [17:58:30] | lwizardl: | anyone have a link to what all cards i can use in mythtv for hdtv transcoding |
| [17:58:54] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, transcoding is done in software... perhaps you mean HDTV capture? |
| [17:59:32] | lwizardl: | yes |
| [17:59:38] | lwizardl: | recording hdtv |
| [17:59:42] | iamlindoro: | linuxtv.org would be a good start |
| [17:59:46] | black_Nightmare_: | heh just checking..sometimes I don't always remember nicks well ;) |
| [17:59:51] | black_Nightmare_: | you know what I mean? :p |
| [17:59:59] | iamlindoro: | black_nightmare, yup, hard to keep 'em all straight |
| [18:00:14] | black_Nightmare_: | btw whats 'lindoro' stand for or no real reason? |
| [18:00:20] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, if you are looking specifically for mythtv usage, there are also many good pages on specific cards on the mythtv wiki |
| [18:00:49] | iamlindoro: | lindoro is a character from an italian opera... and I used to be a professional opera singer. It was my first professional role. |
| [18:01:29] | iamlindoro: | technically he's a character from *two* italian operas, but who's counting. |
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| [18:04:05] | lwizardl: | whats the most common card for hdtv used in mythtv? |
| [18:04:21] | lwizardl: | i'm looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HDTV_capture_cards |
| [18:04:35] | black_Nightmare_: | no idea sorry...always analog here :p |
| [18:04:39] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, in what country? |
| [18:04:40] | Tanthrix: | I'd say go with the Avermedia A180 or Kworld 115 |
| [18:04:48] | Tanthrix: | For the US, that is. |
| [18:04:54] | lwizardl: | USA |
| [18:04:55] | lwizardl: | k |
| [18:05:06] | Tanthrix: | Really, as long as they're supported, it doesn't matter. Digital is digital. |
| [18:05:09] | iamlindoro: | Also commonly used are an HD-5000 and, more recently, the HDHomeRun ntwork dvice |
| [18:05:19] | Tanthrix: | But either of those cards are well supported, cheap, and do both QAM and ATSC |
| [18:05:41] | lwizardl: | the a180 & 115? |
| [18:05:51] | Tanthrix: | Aye. Or 110. |
| [18:05:51] | lwizardl: | support both qam & atsc |
| [18:06:03] | iamlindoro: | As do th HD-5000 and HDHomeRun |
| [18:06:14] | Tanthrix: | lwizardl: Aye. Analog too, though you wouldn't want to use them for that. |
| [18:06:53] | Tanthrix: | The HD-5000 is more expensive though by quite a bit, so there's no reason to get it. The HdHomeRun is cool though if you want a separate box, or if you want to record two things at the same time. |
| [18:06:55] | lwizardl: | cool so I take it those have a built in mpeg encoder |
| [18:07:02] | Tanthrix: | No, they don't. |
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| [18:07:17] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm just wondering about it anyhow but... |
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| [18:07:22] | lwizardl: | ah so they need software encoder |
| [18:07:25] | Tanthrix: | Most digital cards (if not all supported in linux) do NOT have analog mpeg encoders, hence they really shouldn't be used for analog unless you like pain |
| [18:07:38] | black_Nightmare_: | do most videoin/tvtuner cards still always depend on seperate sound card for any kind of audio at all? |
| [18:07:40] | Tanthrix: | The digital aspects are digital, so they don't need encoders |
| [18:07:57] | iamlindoro: | black_nightmare, only framgrabbrs do that, and thy ar a poor choice |
| [18:08:09] | iamlindoro: | ack, my "e" key is dying |
| [18:08:10] | lwizardl: | Tanthrix, oh ok |
| [18:08:29] | black_Nightmare_: | ah hm so if a manual specifies plugging into seperate sound card for audio then that means the card itself is for sure a framegrabber type one? |
| [18:08:45] | iamlindoro: | almost certainly |
| [18:08:50] | Tanthrix: | lwizardl: Which is also why one card isn't better than another really. The digital signal is simply "downloaded" from the air / cable. So it all comes down to support and price. |
| [18:08:51] | iamlindoro: | what card are you looking at? |
| [18:09:38] | Tanthrix: | lwizardl: If you want to do both analog and digital, I recommend a A180/Kworld 110–115 and a PVR-150 |
| [18:09:49] | black_Nightmare_: | hm ty...brb to check if the agp card I was looking at can handle audio itself or not anyway |
| [18:10:09] | lwizardl: | Tanthrix, i own a pvr-150 already just need to add a hdtv card |
| [18:10:28] | Tanthrix: | lwizardl: Ahh, gotcha. |
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| [18:11:33] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, I would get a HD-5000 instead of one of those, then... Reason being the HD-5000 will ONLY come up as a dvb device, and you won't have to screw with udev rules because you have multiple /dev/video devices... also won't need to edit aliases file... will be completely plug and play. A bit more money, though |
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| [18:12:32] | lwizardl: | also anyone used a chaintech soundcard in linux does it work? |
| [18:12:59] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, which one? |
| [18:13:05] | lwizardl: | AV-710 |
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| [18:13:26] | iamlindoro: | looks like it's fine |
| [18:14:01] | black_Nightmare_: | chaintech? they make sound cards?? |
| [18:14:03] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: I have an A180, and I've never had any issues like that. In fact, it only took me about 15 minutes to get the thing installed and working in myth. Since then, I've rebooted many times, and nothing has broken once. |
| [18:14:29] | black_Nightmare_: | *goes to check* |
| [18:14:56] | lwizardl: | looks like this answered my question http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies- . . . /846535.html someone has the card working under ubuntu which is the distro i use |
| [18:15:57] | iamlindoro: | tanthrix, well good for you, but the fact is, if you end up with multiple /dev/video devices, they can come up randomly. Also, a PVR-150 and a Kworld 115, from experience, sometimes don't like to coexist together without a udev rule, PLUS the 115 needs to have the cardid explicitly set in aliases to detct right. Compare that to HD-5000 which doesn't have a /dev/video device so won't conflict at all and requires to file editing |
| [18:16:18] | iamlindoro: | er requires no file editing |
| [18:16:34] | iamlindoro: | Can't speak for the a180, though, might be a different story. |
| [18:17:00] | iamlindoro: | oh, and you have to get firmware for the kworld, too, which is another step you don't need with the HD 5000 |
| [18:17:36] | Tanthrix: | Well, even if such thing were true (and it may be, and I just may be extremely lucky that it magically works everytime,) the extra $40–60 would not be worth 20 extra minutes of udev work. |
| [18:17:53] | Tanthrix: | And the firmware is a non-issue entirely. |
| [18:18:34] | black_Nightmare_: | had to ask out of curiousity but anyone here use any kind of firewire video and/or audio solution? |
| [18:19:34] | iamlindoro: | Greyfoxx records his video via firewire |
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| [18:19:50] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Now that I look at it in mythtv-setup, it's set as a DVB card, and there is no place to enter in /dev/video*. Maybe you're using an older version of myth or have yours setup weird? From what I've been told the A180 and Kworld are totally identical. |
| [18:20:06] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm do you recall what greyfoxx used or shall I wait to ask him? |
| [18:20:25] | Tanthrix: | black_Nightmare_: Probably a motorolla cable box |
| [18:20:32] | iamlindoro: | Tanthrix, I am running current SVN and Gutsy, and the 115 comes up as *both* a dvb card and /dev/video# |
| [18:20:49] | iamlindoro: | black_nightmare, any firewire device is going to be the same in linux |
| [18:20:57] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Ohhhh! I think you're referring to the analog portion for the /dev/video* |
| [18:21:04] | iamlindoro: | Yes, I am |
| [18:21:04] | Tanthrix: | iamlindoro: Which I don't use, since it's a useless frame grabber. |
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| [18:21:10] | iamlindoro: | I don't use it |
| [18:21:10] | Tanthrix: | And no one else should either ;) |
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| [18:21:33] | iamlindoro: | but it still *appears*, and, as I mentioned, can change the numbering of video devices |
| [18:21:39] | Tanthrix: | Ahh, I see. |
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| [18:21:56] | Tanthrix: | Well, I gotta run. Nice talking all. |
| [18:21:59] | iamlindoro: | plus, the 115 is detected incorrectly as a 110 and requires the card= setting in aliases |
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| [18:22:39] | GreyFoxx: | black_Nightmare_: http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2007/07-18-DCT6200& |
| [18:22:50] | iamlindoro: | so, my point was, if all he wants to do is get QAM HD, he can avoid that mess entirely by choosing a card that will only appear as a DVB device |
| [18:23:04] | iamlindoro: | a la the HDHomeRun or 5000 |
| [18:23:58] | iamlindoro: | Sorry Greyfoxx, didn't mean to speak for you, didn't realize you were around |
| [18:24:08] | GreyFoxx: | black_Nightmare_: I use an A180 for QAM channels, A Motorola STB for firewire, and some PVR cards for left overs |
| [18:24:16] | black_Nightmare_: | heh wiamlindoro...you might be right about linux but what about THE pricetag? :p |
| [18:24:21] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: No problem. I wasn't here when you said it anyway :) |
| [18:24:43] | iamlindoro: | black_nightmare, I guess I meant that any firewire in will be as good as the next |
| [18:25:08] | iamlindoro: | so you can get as cheap a firewire card as you like |
| [18:25:19] | black_Nightmare_: | greyfoxx...hmm is that box like giving you three ways to get the video right? I see usb, ethernet, and firewire |
| [18:25:54] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [18:26:14] | GreyFoxx: | usb and ethernet are for internet access and firmware updates when no ton a cable plant |
| [18:26:29] | GreyFoxx: | I have firewire, svideo, dvi, component and composite out |
| [18:26:46] | GreyFoxx: | the dct6200 has a cablemodem built in |
| [18:26:53] | GreyFoxx: | but my cableco doesn't enable that part |
| [18:27:58] | black_Nightmare_: | ah hm I see now |
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| [18:28:55] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm so just curious but how much did that box cost you if you still recall? |
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| [18:30:31] | GreyFoxx: | cost me nothing |
| [18:30:36] | GreyFoxx: | part of my cable service |
| [18:30:59] | GreyFoxx: | I just pay for access to the HDTV stuff and they provide the box are part of the service |
| [18:31:01] | black_Nightmare_: | hrm...bastard :p |
| [18:31:27] | black_Nightmare_: | heh the new firewire devices are like $200+ which is a bit far for me so go figure |
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| [18:33:21] | GreyFoxx: | they make you buy it ? |
| [18:34:14] | black_Nightmare_: | no I meant the ones like from pinnacules/etc ^-^ |
| [18:34:25] | GreyFoxx: | oh |
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| [18:34:39] | GreyFoxx: | my A180 ATSC/QAM card was $100 CDN |
| [18:34:54] | GreyFoxx: | No free over the air HDTV here though so I use it for QAM only |
| [18:35:16] | Finswimmer: | i created a new channels.conf with dvbscan, imported it into mythtv, but i still get no signal_lock |
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| [18:37:54] | iamlindoro: | Black_nightmare, I think a simple firewire port on your computer is more than enough... you don't need a "firewire capture card" or anything |
| [18:38:02] | iamlindoro: | although greyfoxx can correct me if I am wrong |
| [18:38:37] | iamlindoro: | ie, I believe it is simply cable box -> 1394 port, with no capture device in between |
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| [18:38:56] | iamlindoro: | so you don't need any of those pinnacle devices |
| [18:39:14] | lwizardl: | hmm anyone use a viewsat fta receiver with Lirc |
| [18:39:26] | black_Nightmare_: | many of the cable boxes (primarly rogers and bell) here are just plain simple ones yet .. coax/composite/svideo and the occassional sight of components on some |
| [18:39:54] | black_Nightmare_: | but hmm I always could try find an unused one to buy from toronto or somewhere near |
| [18:40:09] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: right, any firewire port is fine |
| [18:40:29] | iamlindoro: | Well, you don't gain anything by using firewire to capture if your box doesn't have an on-board firewire port |
| [18:40:34] | GreyFoxx: | my stbbox just plugs into the firewire porton the backend, no special hardware needed |
| [18:41:38] | iamlindoro: | ie, going cable box -> Firewire capture device -> Firewire port isn't any better than just getting a capture card... you only realize the gains of firewire by going straight between the two native firewire devices |
| [18:43:59] | black_Nightmare_: | heh hm true and just for the record, its not only just tv channels alone that I want just for the note..I've got the old videocamera and some other a/v that I'll like to be able to utilize as well |
| [18:44:23] | GreyFoxx: | black_Nightmare_: You can pick up a pci firewire card for like $20 at most places |
| [18:44:24] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: huh?? |
| [18:44:34] | GreyFoxx: | no need for special cards most of the time |
| [18:44:37] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: that makes no sense whatsoever |
| [18:44:50] | iamlindoro: | mchou, what about it doesn't make sense? |
| [18:45:19] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: hat's a "capture card?" |
| [18:45:26] | mchou: | what's* |
| [18:45:44] | iamlindoro: | as in, a PCI captuere device vs. firewire capture? |
| [18:45:48] | iamlindoro: | er capture |
| [18:46:05] | mchou: | dude..... |
| [18:46:21] | mchou: | and what's a "firewire capture device?" |
| [18:47:03] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: No, just a pci firewire card for computers with no firewire ports. 6there is no special capturing hardwre involved at all |
| [18:47:15] | iamlindoro: | mchou, black_nightmare was referring to one of the pinnacle firewire devices that is a capture box with s-video, component, etc |
| [18:47:30] | iamlindoro: | I was telling him that there was nothing to be gained from that over a PCI capture card |
| [18:47:32] | black_Nightmare_: | hm...I guess I'll try craigslist in toronto/detriot/etc and see if I can come across any of these firewire equipped cable boxes |
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| [18:47:36] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: exactly |
| [18:48:10] | iamlindoro: | greyfoxx, mchou, I *know* that, black_nightmare was talking about $200+ Pinnacle devices, and I was making the point that that was not how firewire capture was accomplished in myth |
| [18:48:11] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: you havent defined what you mean by a PCI capture card |
| [18:48:27] | iamlindoro: | oh ffs, settle down |
| [18:48:38] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: like use an example of one |
| [18:48:44] | iamlindoro: | PVR 150 |
| [18:48:45] | souped: | any opinions on small pc to user as a frontend? |
| [18:48:51] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: lol |
| [18:49:02] | souped: | s/user/use/ |
| [18:50:20] | iamlindoro: | My whole *point* was that comething like this, like he was talking about, is unnecessary: http://biz.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1424 |
| [18:50:30] | black_Nightmare_: | just in case this helps....either the video has to go through the agp slot or its a firewire one because I'm not sure I even have any pci/isa slots to spare otherwise |
| [18:50:52] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: then just sy it's unneccesary. Succinct and to the point |
| [18:50:53] | iamlindoro: | black_nightmare, can't get video in through agp |
| [18:51:07] | mchou: | instead you're just confusing everyone |
| [18:51:09] | iamlindoro: | mchou, I'll speak how I like, thanks |
| [18:51:47] | mchou: | iamlindoro_: not if you confuse everyone |
| [18:52:13] | iamlindoro: | Um, I'm pretty sure I'll go on speaking how I like even if you don't like it |
| [18:52:21] | mchou: | you deserve all the questions you get if you confuse everybody |
| [18:52:23] | iamlindoro: | But best of luck stopping me |
| [18:52:39] | iamlindoro: | Feel free to ignore me then |
| [18:54:07] | mkrufky: | for the record, i have an AGP card with video capture |
| [18:54:20] | mkrufky: | ...but it's not currently supported by any linux driver |
| [18:54:24] | mchou: | haha! |
| [18:54:28] | mchou: | I have 2 |
| [18:54:41] | mkrufky: | there *is* a linux driver that supports it, but it's _very_ broken |
| [18:54:42] | mkrufky: | v3tv |
| [18:54:44] | iamlindoro: | I stan corrected |
| [18:54:48] | iamlindoro: | er stand |
| [18:55:01] | black_Nightmare_: | I think I'm taking a break..be back some time later |
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| [18:55:32] | mkrufky: | heh... people that take breaks shouldnt leave the room, unless they plan to read the logs to see if somebody answered their question |
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| [18:56:33] | mchou: | ppl still use voodoo cards?? |
| [18:58:39] | mchou: | I've never managed to get rivatv to work right |
| [19:00:14] | mkrufky: | nah... i think nobody uses it anymore |
| [19:00:21] | mkrufky: | i wasnt kidding — the driver is really broken |
| [19:00:31] | mkrufky: | if anybody wants to fix it, i have a card i can send to you |
| [19:00:38] | mchou: | v3tv or rivatv? |
| [19:00:41] | mkrufky: | v3tv |
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| [19:02:14] | mkrufky: | its not trivial at all.... the driver is v4l1, and broken.... so, it needs to be updated to v4l2 and fixed |
| [19:04:15] | mchou: | what I dont understand is bttv (radio) seems to be v4l1 |
| [19:04:32] | mchou: | I mean it doesnt seem to support v4l2 |
| [19:04:46] | mkrufky: | the bttv conversion to v4l2 was finally merged in linuxtv.org hg last week |
| [19:05:08] | mchou: | ok, that explains it |
| [19:05:12] | mkrufky: | yeah |
| [19:05:24] | mkrufky: | please feel free to test that — they could use some feedback |
| [19:05:50] | mchou: | bah, too much hassle |
| [19:06:13] | mchou: | too lazy to compile kernel mods |
| [19:06:29] | mkrufky: | well, i'm not going to twist your arm |
| [19:06:31] | mchou: | everythink is working so fine right now |
| [19:06:33] | mkrufky: | ...but it's easy |
| [19:06:38] | mchou: | everything* |
| [19:06:56] | mchou: | don't mess if it aint broke :) |
| [19:07:16] | mkrufky: | if i actually cared, i might try to convince you otherwise |
| [19:07:18] | mkrufky: | ,... but i dont |
| [19:07:20] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [19:07:24] | mchou: | yeah, no doubt |
| [19:07:44] | mkrufky: | if, otoh, you were using one of *my* drivers... i'd probably care ;-) |
| [19:07:46] | mchou: | just test when it gets integrated in the next kernel rel |
| [19:08:21] | mchou: | although I'm surprised more ppl dont use kradio |
| [19:08:40] | mchou: | that's such a nifty program |
| [19:08:48] | mkrufky: | i think nobody cares about radio on the pc anymore |
| [19:09:06] | mchou: | nah, but kradio is timeshifting radio |
| [19:09:08] | mkrufky: | the vendors add radio capability because it's hardly any extra cost |
| [19:09:21] | mkrufky: | add an extra spigot to a silicon tuner that already supports every standard |
| [19:09:29] | mkrufky: | timeshifting radio? cool |
| [19:09:33] | mchou: | timeshifting radio makes sense to me :) |
| [19:09:38] | mkrufky: | (obviously, i didnt care enough to try ;-) ) |
| [19:09:50] | mchou: | kradio is like myth for radio |
| [19:09:55] | mkrufky: | nice |
| [19:10:10] | mchou: | except you dont need to d/l program litings |
| [19:10:16] | mchou: | listings* |
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| [19:10:55] | mchou: | very useful for all those NPR broadcasts |
| [19:11:20] | mchou: | especially now NPR podcasts has gone over to evil flashplayer |
| [19:11:42] | bb_ is now known as Beenie | |
| [19:11:43] | mchou: | just happened tody |
| [19:11:46] | mchou: | today* |
| [19:12:05] | mchou: | really pissed me off |
| [19:12:35] | mchou: | npr needs a more sensible IT department |
| [19:12:59] | mchou: | anyone who uses flash ought to be FIRED |
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| [19:16:25] | anton__: | mchou: can't you just download the flv file or something like that :) |
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| [19:17:04] | mchou: | anton_: how would that help? It's still flash |
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| [19:17:44] | anton_: | mchou: but then you can play it with mplayer |
| [19:17:49] | mchou: | lol |
| [19:18:06] | mchou: | the whole point is to AVOID flash |
| [19:18:19] | mchou: | I dont care what "app" plays it |
| [19:19:19] | mchou: | NPR used to offer smil (rm) and Windoze Media |
| [19:19:37] | justinh: | kradio is like myth for radio eh? here in the UK with dvb-t I've got mythtv for radio, which strangely enough is exactly like myth for radio :D |
| [19:19:50] | anton_: | mchou: they should offer ogg :) |
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| [19:20:21] | mchou: | anton_: I agree. even mp3 would be fine w/ me |
| [19:20:47] | mchou: | considering most NPR programming is talk anyways and doesnt need hifi |
| [19:20:58] | anton_: | but ogg sounds much more cool |
| [19:21:00] | anton_: | ;) |
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| [19:23:42] | mchou: | I wonder if digital radio will ever catch on in the US |
| [19:23:51] | ** justinh curses Business Post ** | |
| [19:24:00] | mchou: | too many car radios to retrofit |
| [19:24:19] | anton_: | DAB or dvb? |
| [19:24:28] | mchou: | DAB |
| [19:24:46] | justinh: | mchou: same in the UK. the big rub with digital radio (as opposed to DVB-T radio stations) is that current DAB isn't compatible with DAB+ which will soon come into play – so no point even buying into DAB now |
| [19:25:14] | justinh: | although DAB+ radios will work with DAB, there aren't many radios that work with it, and there aren't _any_ for cars |
| [19:25:37] | mkrufky: | what about DMB ? |
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| [19:25:49] | justinh: | there's DRM which sounds quite promising |
| [19:25:57] | justinh: | digital radio mondiale :) |
| [19:25:59] | mkrufky: | (or, is DMB korea – only ?) |
| [19:25:59] | anton_: | dab is cool, but no one here in sweden uses it :P |
| [19:26:14] | justinh: | anton_: not in the UK. you're lucky to get 128kbits here |
| [19:26:21] | justinh: | it sounds like poo |
| [19:26:36] | justinh: | 128kbit mpeg1 layer 2 == sucky |
| [19:27:06] | justinh: | certainly no good for stereo music if you like sound quality we've been accustomed to on FM |
| [19:27:09] | anton_: | i don't know how dab works, never listen to it. just thinks it cool because it's digital :P |
| [19:27:31] | justinh: | the words 'digital' and 'quality' are not synonymous! |
| [19:27:53] | gbee: | can't get installers from the latest distro releases to work on this old machine – Ubuntu gets further than Mandriva but ultimately does the same thing, freezes with no apparent error, any chance I'd have more luck with minimyth? Or should I just fall back to an earlier version of Mandriva? (Pretty sure I've installed Mandriva 2006 or 2007 on there in the past) |
| [19:29:05] | mchou: | gbee: huh?? |
| [19:29:08] | anton_: | no, i know :) but still, it's pretty neat |
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| [19:29:27] | mchou: | gbee: what fails exactly? |
| [19:29:29] | justinh: | oo congratulations. I just won a tested, working 2ghz mobile celery chip for £3.20 |
| [19:29:35] | rambo3: | jesus sad that you have made chess for mythtv |
| [19:29:44] | justinh: | rambo3: roflmao |
| [19:29:56] | justinh: | you mean you googled & didn't find out about MythChess? |
| [19:30:13] | mchou: | justinh: are you guys for real? |
| [19:30:24] | gbee: | mchou: the installer just freezes – pretty sure its trying something that the older hardware doesn't like, but once it's frozen I can't access the kernel messages to check |
| [19:30:42] | justinh: | mchou: what do you mean? |
| [19:30:43] | gbee: | justinh: nice :) |
| [19:30:51] | rambo3: | thank you jesus |
| [19:30:52] | mchou: | gbee: use the alternate kernel for install |
| [19:30:54] | anton_: | gbee: use a distro with CLI installer! :) |
| [19:31:19] | justinh: | rambo3: I was kidding. MythChess doesn't exist |
| [19:31:44] | rambo3: | np, i am muslim anyway |
| [19:31:58] | justinh: | anyway, what on Earth would Sly Stallone want with a chess game? |
| [19:32:13] | gbee: | anton_: heh, both have a CLI installer – or at least Mandriva does, but didn't help me figure out the problem unfortunately – not that I want to figure out the problem, just curious whether anyone had problems installing minimyth on older hardware (1999 bios) |
| [19:32:22] | justinh: | esp. on a computer. no pieces to throw across the room in frustration & all that |
| [19:32:39] | justinh: | gbee: minimyth's kernel is pretty limited |
| [19:32:40] | gbee: | too late now anyway, flipped a coin and I'm downloading Mandriva 2007.1 instead |
| [19:32:56] | mchou: | gbee: turn off acpi and whatnot as the kernel install flag |
| [19:33:04] | justinh: | gbee: mostly only supports Via Epia boards & a (very) limited range of others |
| [19:33:14] | rambo3: | Dont you have to be like member of secret french club for 1 year before you can download mandriva? |
| [19:33:24] | mchou: | rambo3: lol |
| [19:33:36] | justinh: | heheh £8.19 for a 2 Ghz mobile celery. I can upgrade later when I need to be reddy for de hud |
| [19:33:41] | mchou: | rambo3: you just have to think like a Frenchie |
| [19:33:42] | gbee: | mchou: tried that with Mandriva (and one issue was acpi) but it freezes after an APM message, not a warning |
| [19:34:00] | justinh: | gbee: I bet slack'll just work |
| [19:34:09] | jams: | try noapic |
| [19:34:31] | gbee: | possibly, I'm just trying with Mandriva because a) I love it b) it's familiar |
| [19:34:46] | gbee: | jams: I'll give that a try |
| [19:34:47] | rambo3: | That will make fans on you quet HTCP spin in full speed |
| [19:34:56] | anton_: | gbee: but mandriva does sucks right? |
| [19:34:56] | mchou: | gbee: mandriva is not too bad. |
| [19:35:12] | mchou: | but mandriva has some annoyances |
| [19:35:18] | gbee: | anton_: beats Ubuntu hands down IMHO |
| [19:35:36] | mchou: | but it's the least annoying of all linux distros |
| [19:35:44] | gbee: | irony is that I only threw out the 2006 and 2007 disks last week *sigh* |
| [19:35:46] | rambo3: | No it doesn't , if you have newer parts try fedora |
| [19:35:54] | mchou: | oh, dont get me started on Ubuntu..... |
| [19:35:56] | anton_: | gbee: ubuntu is pretty good. a bit bloated tough |
| [19:36:12] | gbee: | rambo3: newer parts would defeat the point of this project (and don't make me laugh) |
| [19:36:15] | jams: | gbee- can't say i am fan of MANDRAKE but if it works for you, I certainly wouldn't try to talk you out of it. |
| [19:36:47] | gbee: | anton_: ubuntu may be 'pretty good' but mandriva IMHO is better (not that I want to get into a fanboy pissing contest) |
| [19:37:23] | jams: | they have done some cool things |
| [19:37:33] | gbee: | jams: when did you last try it? I mean you are entitled to your opinion, but if you've not used 2008 then you might want to take a look |
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| [19:37:59] | jams: | gbee- the fact that i called it mandrake should be a big hint ;) |
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| [19:38:23] | rambo3: | Instead of typing shutdown -r now , you type surrender -r whiteflag |
| [19:38:29] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [19:38:45] | mchou: | rambo3: what distro you referring to? |
| [19:38:48] | gbee: | ultimately most people are happiest with what they've been using for the last couple of years, because they know it inside out and have come to ignore any issues |
| [19:38:49] | jams: | although next time linuxpro sends a mandrake dvd out i will give it a go. |
| [19:38:59] | rambo3: | Le madriva avec France |
| [19:39:06] | jams: | i'm sick of all the ubuntu dvds they send |
| [19:39:16] | gbee: | not been mandrake for what, 4 years? |
| [19:39:22] | jams: | gbee- something like that |
| [19:39:27] | anton_: | gentoo someone? :) |
| [19:39:39] | jams: | anton_- nope |
| [19:39:40] | mchou: | hmm, I think it's 2–3 yrs |
| [19:40:36] | mchou: | prepare for reality TV |
| [19:40:39] | gbee: | at least 3, mandriva was when they started using the 200* naming scheme, which started with 2005 |
| [19:40:41] | anton_: | jams, what do you use? |
| [19:40:51] | mchou: | writers' strike is on! |
| [19:40:52] | justinh: | hmm can't get RAM as cheap as CPUs on fleabay |
| [19:40:52] | jams: | i'm happy with arch and suse |
| [19:41:30] | gbee: | justinh: ram never devalues the same way as other hardware |
| [19:41:39] | justinh: | £15.00 plus p&p – I can go down the road & pay that, though I admit it's dealing with a different class of charlatan |
| [19:41:48] | jams: | heck even rambus is still $$ |
| [19:42:23] | justinh: | the annoying thing is that it costs less for 1GB so-dimm DDR2 than it does to buy another 512MB for my backend :-\ |
| [19:43:19] | gbee: | it's one reason I'd like to try getting this thing working with just 64Mb, I don't expect it to work, but an extra 128Mb could end up being the most expensive part of this things |
| [19:43:28] | anton_: | okay, problem: when i record something on my mythbox and then tries to watch it later its corrupted. But i can watch livetv as usual. |
| [19:43:47] | justinh: | 64MB? you'll be needing Iulius then. or maybe my glass-wide figures weren't misleading after all |
| [19:43:56] | willg_: | howdy myth folks /wave |
| [19:44:31] | gbee: | justinh: might be my own specially customised version of the frontend to get the figures down |
| [19:44:41] | justinh: | no plugins ;) |
| [19:44:49] | justinh: | certainly no mythbrowser |
| [19:44:50] | anton_: | i can upload an coruppted recording somewhere and you can watch and say "aha, the problem is your .... " :) |
| [19:45:24] | justinh: | btw gbee I read today that PC World will pricematch online prices ! |
| [19:45:33] | gbee: | justinh: mythmusic I want and the DVD playback bits of mythvideo (I'll probably just hack that into mythfrontend) |
| [19:45:39] | justinh: | ebuyer.com is on their list is valid comparison sites |
| [19:45:47] | justinh: | s/is/of |
| [19:46:01] | justinh: | bbl – eatingtime |
| [19:46:11] | gbee: | justinh: really? hmm, well that's suicidal for them – but I'll take them up on it |
| [19:46:40] | gbee: | eugh – third distro download of the evening and they've now capped me :( |
| [19:47:06] | gbee: | 250KB/s |
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| [19:49:12] | anton_: | do someone know where i can upload a bz2 file? ~9.8mb |
| [19:49:19] | anton_: | 9.2 |
| [19:51:16] | jams: | not me |
| [19:52:51] | xris: | anton_: huh? of what? |
| [19:53:03] | gbee: | video |
| [19:54:31] | anton_: | mpg.bz2 :) |
| [19:54:43] | anton_: | of my fine corrupted recording |
| [19:55:49] | xris: | anton_: what's it look like? lots of pretty colors? |
| [19:55:53] | xris: | but audio fine? |
| [19:57:59] | anton_: | lots of pretty colors and no sound |
| [19:58:37] | anton_: | my wrong, pretty sound to :P |
| [19:58:48] | anton_: | too. dist |
| [20:01:17] | anton_: | xris, what do you think? |
| [20:03:07] | xris: | not the error I was thinking of (there's an nvidia driver bug that screws up display) |
| [20:03:30] | xris: | what's the source of the recording? |
| [20:04:06] | anton_: | the source is dvb and have also tried watch it with another computer (with mplayer) |
| [20:04:41] | xris: | dvb... dvb-t, -c or -s? |
| [20:04:46] | gbee: | it isn't a dual tuner is it? |
| [20:05:03] | xris: | and maybe the signal/file is encrypted? |
| [20:05:08] | anton_: | dvb-t, and no, singel |
| [20:05:13] | willg_: | I have a question if someone doesn't mind. |
| [20:05:35] | anton_: | no it's not encrypted |
| [20:05:42] | gbee: | willg_: not allowed to ask questions in here, you're banned! :p |
| [20:05:53] | anton_: | i can see fragment of the program sometimes |
| [20:06:34] | willg_: | eep! |
| [20:06:39] | willg_: | o noes! |
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| [20:07:08] | willg_: | Actually. that's a good thing. I just forgot what I was gonna ask. |
| [20:07:19] | justinh: | jees. memory for Apples is dear |
| [20:07:38] | haffi: | Hi, where do I set the "Master server settings" in my mythtv frontend? |
| [20:07:56] | anton_: | haffi: you don't :) use mythtv-setup |
| [20:08:15] | willg_: | oh! on the mythtv thing, it says you can record two programs at once, or do the PIP deal, where exactly does that second input go into the second tuner card? Do you have to have a second line coming from the pole outside? |
| [20:09:10] | anton_: | willg: you need to have two recivers (or one dual reciver) |
| [20:09:29] | haffi: | anton_: I don't have mythtv-setup, and ubuntu recommends installing mythtv-backend to get that program |
| [20:10:17] | willg_: | ah so, If I had say, digital cable, I would need two digital cable boxes, then run those to the backend? what about for regular cable, the kind a cable ready tv can decode on it's own? |
| [20:10:40] | anton_: | haffi: hrm.. i don't know ubuntu :) |
| [20:11:14] | anton_: | willg: you need to have two recivers. even if it's analog :) |
| [20:12:09] | willg_: | Thanks much :) |
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| [20:13:41] | haffi: | anton_: mythtv-setup is only for the backend, right? |
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| [20:21:44] | ** justinh does the happy dance again ** | |
| [20:21:58] | justinh: | gbee: I need to tone down the highlight in the big glass box |
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| [20:22:44] | justinh: | I'm really glad I'm taking my time with this one, not doing new tarballs every 5 frickin minutes |
| [20:24:40] | justinh: | ah yeah that's better. committing that one |
| [20:25:14] | justinh: | 40% highlight's too much, so's 20%. 10% is just right. go figure |
| [20:26:25] | justinh: | oh btw – and I tried playing back another virgin1 recording just before... no dice. achy breaky-uppy. just about watchable :-\ Hope the new FE proves to be all I hope it will :) |
| [20:26:28] | gbee: | I could fiddle with the layout and images for hours and still not be 100% happy |
| [20:26:48] | justinh: | I don't think I've ever been as chuffed with a style as I am with this one |
| [20:27:24] | justinh: | spending a few hours dealing with the fonts was time well spent – time I should've spent a very long time ago |
| [20:27:26] | gbee: | justinh: any idea what the cause is? higher compression? |
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| [20:28:00] | justinh: | gbee: I dunno, but recordings I ran thru ffmpeg -i $file -acodec copy -vcodec copy were just fine on rebuilding the seektable |
| [20:28:15] | justinh: | probably just junk in the streams |
| [20:28:46] | gbee: | odd, well good luck with the new frontend |
| [20:28:56] | justinh: | I sometimes myth's parsing of the streams leaves something to be desired. it's even conceivable that standalone boxes have issues with it |
| [20:29:20] | justinh: | there should be a 'think' in there somewhere ^^ |
| [20:30:03] | justinh: | if only mpeg could mean MPEG.. not 'some stupid regional variant we spat out just to confuse things' |
| [20:30:58] | justinh: | on a side note, what's with all the 'could not find parser for codec 24412' when all myth is doing is playing a video preview? just go for the primary video stream, surely? |
| [20:31:46] | justinh: | I think I'll have another stab at changing the recording profile to dump the non-tv junk again & see if that clears it up |
| [20:32:09] | justinh: | didn't work last time but I'm not convinced the recording profile change was actually noted by the backend |
| [20:33:28] | justinh: | the issue seems to be related to the one where versions of minimyth newer than the one I use now, won't play BBC recordings.. a/v sync code maybe – and having the extra junk packets only exaggerates it |
| [20:34:41] | justinh: | I could understand if it was causing high cpu load, but that's not it |
| [20:37:57] | janneg: | justinh: that is a stream with some unusual data in it (videotext, mhp, some custom data) and all streams are parsed. it shouldn't cause high load, packets of this stream are ignored after that |
| [20:39:09] | justinh: | janneg: the guff during playing the preview vid I can live with. the gaps in playback are a bit on the annoying side |
| [20:39:45] | justinh: | I can upload a sample somewhere if you like |
| [20:39:53] | anton_: | okay i think i founded out what causing my recording corruptions |
| [20:40:04] | anton_: | 2007-11–05 21:38:52.259 [mpeg2video @ 0xa7459588]00 motion_type at 16 27 |
| [20:40:23] | justinh: | janneg: though I realise you'll prolly be able to play it back without any gaps – but then you don't use a crappy epia board as a frontend I'll bet ;) |
| [20:40:25] | anton_: | lots of those in my mythfrontend log. like 2 per sec |
| [20:40:35] | justinh: | anton_: they're not unusual |
| [20:40:54] | justinh: | even during perfect playback you can see a lot of stuff like that |
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| [20:41:52] | anton_: | justinh: hahaha |
| [20:42:26] | anton_: | justinh: my brother was using the mixer in another room, when he stoped, so did also the error messages |
| [20:44:50] | justinh: | mixer? |
| [20:44:56] | justinh: | like a food mixer? |
| [20:45:02] | anton_: | justinh: yes :) |
| [20:45:22] | justinh: | fit a 0.1 microfarad class X capacitor across the motor :P |
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| [20:45:33] | janneg: | justinh: it might play back better with trunk. we've eliminated some needless seeks which caused choppy playback on low power/low memory frontends |
| [20:45:46] | justinh: | or put your brother in a metal box with the mixer :P |
| [20:45:51] | justinh: | janneg: heheh figures |
| [20:46:19] | anton_: | hehe :) |
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| [20:50:15] | justinh: | anton_: so you can help the situation by upgrading your connecting wire – get a better class of coaxial cable |
| [20:50:29] | justinh: | a power filter block might help too |
| [20:50:53] | anton_: | hmm maybe |
| [20:50:54] | justinh: | .. so might buying a new mixer |
| [20:51:37] | justinh: | fluorescent light switches (and lights) can cause problems for dvb-t, so can phones, scooters, cars, hairdryers... |
| [20:51:53] | justinh: | oh speed controlled fans in PCs |
| [20:52:00] | anton_: | i want tv over fiberwire |
| [20:52:10] | justinh: | pfft. you & everybody else |
| [20:52:37] | justinh: | we've got a pretty good deal going on our cable OnDemand service here, but it's no mythtv |
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| [20:52:54] | anton_: | where is here? |
| [20:53:01] | justinh: | they only have shows on-demand that I really don't want to watch |
| [20:53:06] | justinh: | UK |
| [20:53:19] | justinh: | I mean – Lost ffs. blech |
| [20:53:34] | anton_: | hm okay (: |
| [20:54:01] | anton_: | i have iptv also but it's encrypted so i can't watch it in myth either |
| [20:54:34] | justinh: | yeah IPTV is unlikely to be the great white hope a lot of people make it out to be, sadly |
| [20:54:46] | directhex: | i can't imagine who's taking iptv seriously |
| [20:54:55] | justinh: | 2.0 people |
| [20:55:28] | justinh: | "w00t! a new way companies can lock us in to their stupid gear & their conditions!" |
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| [20:57:21] | anton_: | yea it acctually sucks bigtime |
| [20:58:38] | justinh: | sometimes I'm way too cynical. it might turn out to be the very best thing since Logie Baird's scanning disc as far as consumers are concerned. I just smell a more itemised billing model coming |
| [21:00:03] | directhex: | yep! |
| [21:00:13] | directhex: | an itemised billing model open only to the US! |
| [21:00:33] | directhex: | in the UK we'll get bbc shows, and if we're lucky, re-runs of looney tunes cartoons for £3 each |
| [21:01:02] | justinh: | I had to laugh out loud when I heard about the writers' strike |
| [21:01:23] | justinh: | oh NOW they've smelled the extra money they could get from ancillary sales |
| [21:03:16] | justinh: | never quite got all of that writing by committee stuff that goes on over there anyway. is that like employing an infinite number of primates sat at typewriters? ;) |
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| [21:04:11] | directhex: | justinh, an infinite number of primates at infinite typewriters given infinite time write shakespeare, right? |
| [21:04:32] | justinh: | oh btw gbee while stuff is still fresh in my memory I'm gonna make a list of newly discovered ui limitations/features |
| [21:04:41] | directhex: | justinh, fifteen monkeys, 2 typewriters, 1 week. that buys you bill o'reiley |
| [21:04:49] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:05:00] | justinh: | and a plot twist in series 6 |
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| [21:05:33] | directhex: | twisty! |
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| [21:18:46] | justinh: | gbee: another thing I keep forgetting about: setup menus & stuff like manual recordings don't obey even a 5% overscan safe area |
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| [21:47:13] | leprechau: | has anyone here gotten spdif working with the internal player? |
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| [21:47:43] | justinh: | leprechau: I did once. a very loud high pitch noise nearly blew my windows out |
| [21:47:50] | leprechau: | lol |
| [21:48:02] | leprechau: | yeah all i get is loud clicking like noises |
| [21:48:11] | leprechau: | but it works fine with mplayer/xine |
| [21:48:15] | justinh: | never sussed it, so I stuck with xine |
| [21:48:28] | justinh: | which is great so long as I don't want to rewind ;) |
| [21:48:33] | leprechau: | lol yeah |
| [21:48:44] | leprechau: | that's why I stuck with mplayer for video and dvd |
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| [21:50:29] | iamlindoro: | leprechau, I use S/PDIF across the board, but only use the internal player for TV |
| [21:50:49] | iamlindoro: | mplayer for videos, just like you |
| [21:51:04] | leprechau: | yes...I also only have spdif out ... and it works on tv and whatnot |
| [21:51:21] | leprechau: | but the ac3/dts passthrough on xvid and dvd with the Internal player doesn't work |
| [21:51:25] | leprechau: | or at least not here |
| [21:51:34] | leprechau: | but it does just fine with mplayer or xine |
| [21:51:40] | iamlindoro: | dunno how adventurous you are, but it might be worth trying SVN in the next few weeks here with the new ffmepg |
| [21:53:03] | iamlindoro: | might make Internal work of for you... I run mplayer SVN updated weekly, so I don't know that I plan to change that |
| [21:53:14] | iamlindoro: | er work well |
| [21:53:39] | leprechau: | don't supposed mplayer svn supports dvd menus...and the world is at peace and pigs can now fly? |
| [21:54:12] | iamlindoro: | i *believe* it does (There's a configure option for it) |
| [21:54:17] | leprechau: | really? |
| [21:54:21] | leprechau: | your kidding? |
| [21:54:25] | leprechau: | im ON it ;} |
| [21:54:25] | iamlindoro: | But I don't config w/ it because I only care about playing themovie proper |
| [21:54:34] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [21:54:36] | leprechau: | im done for trying |
| [21:54:40] | leprechau: | *down |
| [21:54:43] | iamlindoro: | hang on, let me look at my mplayer source |
| [21:54:54] | leprechau: | the wife doesn't like not being able to use the menus |
| [21:54:55] | leprechau: | :/ |
| [21:56:41] | iamlindoro: | looks like the relevant coonfigure flags are --disable-dvdnav and --with-dvdnav-config=PATH |
| [21:57:18] | justinh: | riiiight then. time to draw some more buttons |
| [21:57:35] | Daviey: | http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/480 |
| [21:57:43] | Daviey: | ^ DVD fails to play – any ideas? |
| [21:58:10] | iamlindoro: | Without looking-- libdvdcss2 installed? |
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| [21:58:16] | Daviey: | yup |
| [21:58:49] | Daviey: | (apparently, it's not my box but a friend) |
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| [21:59:03] | iamlindoro: | Hrm, might be worth getting a -v all and trying it again, hard to glean much from what's there |
| [21:59:20] | Daviey: | will do |
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| [22:00:03] | iamlindoro: | oh, daviey, just out of curiosity |
| [22:00:10] | iamlindoro: | do other DVDs work, or do none work? |
| [22:00:28] | Daviey: | no idea |
| [22:00:32] | Daviey: | will ask |
| [22:00:43] | iamlindoro: | 'cause there's also a decent chance the DVD contains bad sectors/other copy protection that Myth's DVD player can't overcome... have seen that from time to time |
| [22:00:52] | iamlindoro: | Is it a newish DVD? |
| [22:01:52] | iamlindoro: | I'd try some oldish DVD and see if that works, and if it does, it's almost surely ArcOSS or some other protection |
| [22:01:52] | sebrock: | anyone, why is the update complaining about there is no ubuntu-desktop packaged installed, there has never been on my Ubuntu Server |
| [22:02:00] | sebrock: | how do I upgrade to 7.10 then? |
| [22:02:24] | iamlindoro: | change the sources and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [22:02:36] | sebrock: | iamlindoro ??? |
| [22:02:43] | iamlindoro: | hang on, I'll get you a link |
| [22:02:49] | sebrock: | thnx |
| [22:03:25] | iamlindoro: | Here ya go |
| [22:03:26] | iamlindoro: | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-473010.html |
| [22:03:40] | sebrock: | tnx |
| [22:03:45] | iamlindoro: | comment out your feisty stuff in sources.list, add the gutsy stuff, then run the line at the bottom |
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| [22:03:59] | iamlindoro: | should be pretty painless |
| [22:04:09] | iamlindoro: | especially without x.org to worry about :) |
| [22:05:06] | sebrock: | already done the backup |
| [22:06:15] | Daviey: | iamlindoro: http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/481 |
| [22:06:37] | Daviey: | iamlindoro: apparently the dvd works in vlc :/ |
| [22:07:09] | iamlindoro: | Hrm, did he happen to mention whether any dvd at all wotks? |
| [22:07:10] | iamlindoro: | er works |
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| [22:08:45] | iamlindoro: | Maybe it's just Myth exhibiting good taste since Fracture was crap ;) |
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| [22:10:53] | gbee: | installing linux on this old laptop is proving to be a real challenge, finally found an installer that worked, but after installation completed and the machine rebooted it doesn't get past grub just keeps rebooting itself every time the kernel image is selected, even the failsafe |
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| [22:11:44] | gbee: | might have to try an even older kernel |
| [22:11:53] | iamlindoro: | yikes, how old a laptop? |
| [22:13:32] | gbee: | 1999, or thereabouts if you look at the production date on the components |
| [22:13:41] | briand: | ...any video experts on-board, this afternoon? |
| [22:14:02] | iamlindoro: | still, doesn't seem like it should be so painful! |
| [22:14:11] | xris: | depends on what kind of video you're talking about |
| [22:14:20] | iamlindoro: | Not *that* old after all, surprising that nothing will install properly |
| [22:14:36] | iamlindoro: | especially keeping in mind what some people run Myth on around here :) |
| [22:15:04] | briand: | I've lost (apparently??) the composite video out on my AGP NVIDIA card. Everything had been working normally. Last night, commercial flagging kicked in at the same time a new recording was starting, and the recording I was watching ended (all simultaneous). This is often a problem. Locked up, required accessing the big red switch to reconcile. |
| [22:15:42] | bsdfox_: | briand: rebooting doesn't fix it? |
| [22:15:44] | briand: | ...and, when booted back up, the mythtv box seems to be running normally, except no video into my home theater system. dmesg doesn't indicate anything untoward... |
| [22:15:45] | bsdfox_: | or it does |
| [22:15:50] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yeah, not sure why it's so difficult – about 18months/two years ago I think I installed Mandriva with no problems at all, but it must have been 2006 since 2007 is the one causing me problems – 2008 installer doesn't work neither does the Gutsy installer |
| [22:16:19] | bsdfox_: | briand: you used to see the bios on the TV right? if you did, and now you don't, it's probably hardware related |
| [22:16:32] | briand: | bsdfox_: rebooting is what broke it, I think. ;) I did do a graceful `shutdown -h now` after the first reboot (couldn't do it to initially solve the lockup, ssh wasn't working), but the problem persists |
| [22:16:36] | sebrock: | is it common to get the error 256 when using XML grabber with Mythbackend? As the backend tries to retrieve data until there is no more? Error 256 seems to be "no more data" |
| [22:17:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I'm not even the hugest fan of this, but perhaps gentoo might be the way to go? Hard to go wrong when it's all compiled from scratch. |
| [22:17:15] | briand: | bsdfox_: no, didn't see bios (I don't think, hmm..) ... just the linux boot-up and then myth |
| [22:17:49] | briand: | bsdfox_: so, your opinion is my $30 video card bit the dust, then? That's what I was thinking might be the issue... but wasn't sure. |
| [22:17:52] | bsdfox_: | well if you saw linux booting then you should probably have seen the bios cause the video drivers aren't loaded that early |
| [22:18:10] | bsdfox_: | nvidia I'm guessing? |
| [22:18:13] | briand: | okay, true enough, and a fair assumption. |
| [22:18:21] | briand: | yes, nvidia fx 5200 |
| [22:18:31] | bsdfox_: | same card I have in one of my frontends :) |
| [22:18:46] | bsdfox_: | and I DO see the bios |
| [22:18:59] | bsdfox_: | you don't have a monitor plugged in, right? just the composite out? |
| [22:19:12] | briand: | yeah, can't beat 'em for the price. let me scour newegg and see if I can snag up a new AGP fx5200 card and get it shipping... |
| [22:19:21] | briand: | bsdfox_: true. no monitor, just composite out |
| [22:19:37] | bsdfox_: | k, then the card will autodetect that and should output the bios stuff to the TV |
| [22:19:39] | briand: | i suppose I *could* drag a monitor into the living room and see if the VGA port is active... |
| [22:19:47] | bsdfox_: | there are other cheap cards that are slightly better now |
| [22:19:57] | bsdfox_: | I think you can get a 6200 or 7200 for the same price |
| [22:19:59] | briand: | please don't say ATI. ;) |
| [22:20:10] | bsdfox_: | hell no, nvidia only :) |
| [22:20:31] | briand: | oh, tru enough... is the 6200 (or 7200) available in AGP, though? I know a lot of them are going to PCIe |
| [22:20:39] | bsdfox_: | I'm not sure |
| [22:20:51] | bsdfox_: | I actually need to get a pci-e cheapo card :) |
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| [22:22:32] | gbee: | iamlindoro: guess I just don't want to be waiting a year for it to compile, if I can't get this version of Mandriva working I'll just try an earlier one, though this _should_ work – the installer uses the same kernel as the final install, so I just need to find where it's going wrong |
| [22:22:47] | iamlindoro: | fair enough |
| [22:23:50] | gbee: | thought it was the display size, I'd chosen 1024x768 and very likely the machine doesn't support that – just that overriding it on the command line with vga=771 (640x480 16bit) didn't work |
| [22:27:44] | bsdfox_: | gbee: imo there are much better distros than mandriva these days.. |
| [22:27:54] | bsdfox_: | it was good ~2002 :P |
| [22:28:41] | gbee: | bsdfox_: had this discussion earlier and I'm not doing it again, but I don't agree – in fact quite the opposite 2008 kicks everything else I've tried into second place |
| [22:28:51] | bsdfox_: | k |
| [22:29:09] | gbee: | especially ubuntu which made me want to kill myself |
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| [22:39:28] | eugo: | okay mythtv users, i wanna try mythtv but i need to know if it will work with my local broadcasting system. its MMDS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDS) and i need a top-box set to decode the signal, then i change channels on the top-box itself |
| [22:39:50] | eugo: | would i need a DVB (MMDS) pci card type? |
| [22:40:03] | eugo: | if that exist |
| [22:42:33] | BULLE: | eugo: if you can get hold of a pci card that can handle that mmds stuff, and that is supported by linux, that is one way to go |
| [22:42:57] | BULLE: | eugo: the other is to still use the settop-box and then connect its output to a wintv-pvr 150 card or similar |
| [22:43:26] | eugo: | yeah finding a card to do that is really probable =) |
| [22:43:29] | eugo: | yah ok |
| [22:43:52] | eugo: | but as i understand it you can only watch the channel you are recording? |
| [22:43:58] | BULLE: | yes |
| [22:44:43] | BULLE: | never heard of MMDS myself, and from a quick look at the wikipedia page, it doesnt seem like it has a stellar future ahead, so i would just guess that its close to impossible to find a pci card that does mmds |
| [22:44:50] | mkrufky: | hells yeah. hvr1800 qam support just got merged into 2.6.24 |
| [22:44:57] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [22:45:06] | eugo: | yeah its ancient stuff |
| [22:45:40] | eugo: | you wouldnt happen to know anyone on the XMLTV dev team? |
| [22:46:08] | eugo: | i need help with creating a grabber for xmltv |
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| [22:48:41] | BULLE: | eugo: some wierd links seems to claim they managed to get a few mmds channels to work with their dreamboxes |
| [22:49:34] | eugo: | ooh is that so?.. could u paste links (chan/pm)? |
| [22:50:02] | BULLE: | http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/554053 |
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| [22:50:10] | BULLE: | i just googled for linux and mmds |
| [22:50:18] | BULLE: | just got a bit curious about what this mmds thing realy was |
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| [22:52:22] | a_stray_shot: | hey all |
| [22:52:49] | AndyCap: | eugo: who makes the set-top boxes or which provider is it? |
| [22:54:39] | a_stray_shot: | I have a question...recently my roommate reinstalled mythtv and now for some reason, live tv is extremely choppy. Also some recent additions to the video library play very choppy too. I have a feeling that it has something to do with being stretched to 16x9 from 4x3...can anyone enlighten me? |
| [22:55:33] | eugo: | hmm that would be this one: http://www.bb.is/lisalib/getfile.aspx?itemid=38929&proc=2 |
| [22:56:21] | xris: | a_stray_shot: might look into the "extra audio buffering" option |
| [22:56:22] | iamlindoro: | a_stray_shot, what distro, version of myth, and video card? |
| [22:56:35] | eugo: | Kaon i would guess from this one: http://www.hornafjordur.is/media/annad//Digital_island.jpg |
| [22:56:49] | iamlindoro: | and what does the console/log say about it when it happens? |
| [22:56:49] | a_stray_shot: | man, id have to be at home, to come up with version info, am at work now |
| [22:56:51] | bloggproffs: | does myth use id3 tags or filenames for displaying audio files? |
| [22:57:07] | iamlindoro: | ah, well, tough to diagnose then |
| [22:57:15] | gbee: | eugo: I'd suggest joining the xmltv mailing lists, you'll find two or three xmltv devs in here from time to time, but you are more likely to get help on those lists |
| [22:57:21] | a_stray_shot: | gimme a sec, i think that I can get it |
| [22:57:30] | bloggproffs: | im consudering switching from mediaportal |
| [22:57:39] | eugo: | yeah thanks i certainly was going to =] |
| [22:57:46] | bloggproffs: | but dont want to rename 120gigs of music.. |
| [22:57:57] | a_stray_shot: | ya, that is a huge task |
| [22:58:14] | bloggproffs: | so my question is, how does Myth-Tv display audio files? |
| [22:58:21] | bloggproffs: | by ID3 or by filename? |
| [22:58:41] | gbee: | bloggproffs: id3 tags if they exist, otherwise filenames (using a template you can change according to your naming scheme) |
| [22:58:41] | iamlindoro: | I only asked because, anecdotally, I went from perfectly working Ubuntu Feisty/Myth SVN -> Gutsy/.20.2, and had many prebuffering pauses, and solved it by rolling back nVidia drivers and updating to Myth SVN again. |
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| [22:59:14] | a_stray_shot: | ahh, k, thats an idea |
| [22:59:19] | gbee: | you can also tell it to ignore tags and just use filenames if you want |
| [22:59:24] | bloggproffs: | Gbee, so it be able to force it to ignore tags? |
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| [22:59:36] | bloggproffs: | ah thx m8, then Myth tv it is =) |
| [22:59:41] | AndyCap: | eugo: hmm. kaon makes a lot of boxes. :/ Was just thinking if they downconverted it to normal cable frequencies one could use a dvb-c receiver. but that's probably a silly idea. |
| [22:59:50] | bloggproffs: | last Q, Ubuntu lteast distro, good or bad? |
| [22:59:57] | bloggproffs: | im thinking about using 7.10 |
| [23:00:07] | gbee: | bloggproffs: let me just check, I wrote half the current code but I should make sure I didn't just dream that part ;) |
| [23:00:39] | BULLE: | AndyCap: the few people i found that had managed to get dreamboxes to see some channels were using dvb-t tuners in them, so it might not be a totaly silly idea |
| [23:00:39] | gbee: | yeah, "Ignore ID3 tags" option exists |
| [23:00:46] | bloggproffs: | sweet |
| [23:01:05] | bloggproffs: | thx m8 |
| [23:01:13] | BULLE: | bloggproffs: i have had a horrible experience with 7.10, but thats mainly because they ship a kernel that has some acpi and wlan issues earlier kernels didnt, other then that, its all fine and nice |
| [23:01:46] | gbee: | music scanning is _much_ faster and more reliable in the current development code, though there is an outstanding segfault which I've yet to fix ... so I'm not recommending you use the development branch instead of stable, just putting that info out there |
| [23:01:48] | iamlindoro: | and busted nVidia drivers :) |
| [23:02:37] | gbee: | bloggproffs: just make sure you check that option in the settings before scanning, it's not something that you can choose when you ask for a scan, needs to be set beforehand |
| [23:02:39] | iamlindoro: | 100.14.19 = bad news unless you only like to hear your movies |
| [23:02:57] | mzb_d800: | I also have a problem which has cropped up recently, but I can't tell if it's the recent code, switching to multirec, or attempting to record HD. |
| [23:03:18] | gbee: | iamlindoro: heh, that's why I'm using the opengl rendering method (trunk only) |
| [23:03:42] | mzb_d800: | afterwards, the tuner seems to record ok, but the video+audio "burp" (pause) about once per second. |
| [23:03:53] | eugo: | AndyCap: really? this is only one option of getting digital tv in iceland, there is also iptv with top-box sets from Handan |
| [23:03:55] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I compiled with it, but haven't used it... what's the skinny on that? |
| [23:04:34] | AndyCap: | eugo: how do you get ip? |
| [23:04:44] | eugo: | through adsl |
| [23:04:50] | AndyCap: | hmm. I really should visit iceland again. |
| [23:05:06] | gbee: | not much to tell really, I can't see any benefits except that it doesn't suffer the xvideo bug with the nvidia drivers |
| [23:05:14] | eugo: | send me a message, i work for the isp =) |
| [23:05:49] | gbee: | the opengl rendered OSD is much nicer, sharper and doesn't change size with the video, but it doesn't work well with the OSD fade effect |
| [23:05:53] | AndyCap: | eugo: ok. was just thinking from the mmds page that it looked like something one would use where there is no existing cable infratstructure. |
| [23:06:01] | bloggproffs: | BULLE gbee, thx guys |
| [23:06:09] | gbee: | np |
| [23:06:37] | bsdfox_: | 100.14.24 are out |
| [23:06:49] | iamlindoro: | bsdfox, thought those were still in beta? |
| [23:06:55] | eugo: | AndyCap: frankly i do not know for sure why this was chosen, but i intend to find out =) |
| [23:07:09] | AndyCap: | eugo: the competitor owns the copper? :P |
| [23:07:26] | eugo: | no we own it :o |
| [23:07:36] | AndyCap: | hehe. ok. :) |
| [23:07:46] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I'll have to play with that when I head home... Is there pausing or artifacting when the OSD attempts to fade, or does it just get turned off? |
| [23:07:50] | BULLE: | perl -e '$a=5; $a+=3 ; print $a' returns 8, wich is what i would expect, but lets say perl -e '$a=5; $a+=c ; print $a' returns 5, and that is not what i would expect, i would expect an error |
| [23:08:03] | eugo: | we also offer broadband but im not sure what kind of technology is used there |
| [23:08:15] | eugo: | broadband tv that is |
| [23:08:26] | eugo: | with the iptv you get video on demand and such |
| [23:08:36] | gbee: | pausing when it fades, if you turn off the fade effect then it just disappears without causing problems |
| [23:08:52] | BULLE: | trying to do similar in python, will generate an error at a+=c |
| [23:09:02] | eugo: | hdtv is still atleat a year behind neighbour nations |
| [23:09:03] | iamlindoro: | ah, excellent, I'll play with it for sure |
| [23:09:04] | gbee: | might be machine specific, a faster machine or graphics card could handle it just fine |
| [23:09:46] | briand: | bsdfox_: that was almost too easy! ordered a new card (36.99) from newegg, and they gave me a $30 credit on the old one, no RMA or return shipping needed, as it had 17 more days of warranty left! |
| [23:10:02] | bsdfox_: | briand: score dude |
| [23:10:04] | gbee: | just a guess, since I figure if it effects all machines then Daniel would have just turned off the fade when the opengl OSD is enabled |
| [23:10:05] | AndyCap: | eugo: Hehe. no real hdtv here yet. I see the swedes have some. |
| [23:10:37] | briand: | bsdfox_: double score, if I dare. I can get an RMA from Gigabyte and have them send me $35.00, as well! |
| [23:10:37] | bsdfox_: | what card did you get? |
| [23:10:52] | briand: | Asus GeForce 6200, AGP |
| [23:10:58] | eugo: | well the swedes are... bandwith hungry people =) where are u? |
| [23:11:00] | bsdfox_: | lol, newegg doesn't even want the card back? |
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| [23:11:12] | AndyCap: | eugo: norway. |
| [23:11:16] | AndyCap: | eugo: Hmm "In Iceland, 365 Broadcast Media offers digital MMDS television services using DVB-T technology alongside a few analog channels." |
| [23:11:26] | briand: | it was the least expensive AGP card with composite video output (lots of SVIDEO, but I don't want to use an adapter...) |
| [23:11:33] | bsdfox_: | briand: I had a 6800 fail on me w/ like 2 weeks left on warranty from newegg.. I got a $180 credit on it and bought a 7950GT for like 110 shipped :) |
| [23:11:42] | AndyCap: | now, I really wonder why they don't use DVB-T directly |
| [23:11:47] | briand: | bsdfox_: nope. newegg says I can "do with it what i wish" |
| [23:12:00] | briand: | so, theoretically, I could "wish" to return it to Gigabyte... ;) |
| [23:12:03] | iamlindoro: | sounds like ebay to me |
| [23:12:11] | bsdfox_: | do it man |
| [23:12:29] | briand: | I have 17 days to ponder the morality of it... :) |
| [23:12:32] | eugo: | yes the public domain owned networks (TV1) is broadcast with standard analog as well as MMDS. is that from the wiki page? |
| [23:12:45] | bsdfox_: | I think the 6 series offers better video acceleration than the 5 series too |
| [23:12:51] | AndyCap: | eugo: yes, close to bottom of the page |
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| [23:13:05] | bsdfox_: | I've actually played counterstrike source on a 6200.. it wasn't good but it ran ok |
| [23:13:23] | briand: | i wasn't really having any video quality issues with the 5200, but I'll take the (slight) jump in quality |
| [23:13:56] | briand: | after refund from newegg, the 5200 cost me all of $5 for the past 11.25 months... |
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| [23:14:27] | eugo: | i havent tried mythtv yet, theres no tv listings for iceland, therefore it would defeat the purpose of installing mythv, imho. i really need to make the grabber myself. the previous developer is out of contact and there seems to be little activity on sourceforge |
| [23:14:41] | bsdfox_: | :) |
| [23:15:19] | AndyCap: | eugo: but if there is some chance of downconverting it to something a dvb-t or -c card can read, perhaps you can get the schedule info from the dvb stream |
| [23:15:30] | briand: | bsdfox_: as an nvidia user... in linux... ques: will I need to update/change the nvidia driver for the 6200, or will it be (literally) plug 'n play? |
| [23:15:44] | bsdfox_: | it'll be plug and play |
| [23:16:07] | bsdfox_: | only geforce4 and lower need a different driver |
| [23:16:16] | bsdfox_: | 5xxx+ uses the same as an 8800gtx |
| [23:16:16] | xris: | eugo: you might be able to find some help from the xmltv community |
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| [23:16:21] | AndyCap: | eugo: but I guess you have to look at someone's kaon box and see if you find some specifications on it |
| [23:16:23] | briand: | better yet. and I've got some 240 hours of space on the myth box, so I guess I can let it go unwatched for the next three days... |
| [23:17:23] | briand: | sounds like a deal. so, it should be here Thurs or Fri... and I can have it installed and Myth working before the coffee is done brewing after I get home from work. |
| [23:17:56] | eugo: | hmm yeah i should do some research on the top-box. what kind of mechanism would that imply? i have little electronics expertice |
| [23:18:33] | AndyCap: | eugo: note down any modelnumbers etc on the box and google? :) |
| [23:19:08] | AndyCap: | eugo: and see if there are any converters between it and the antenna? |
| [23:19:31] | justinh: | Daviey: wanna take the new glassy one for a test spin? |
| [23:19:32] | eugo: | AndyCap: thx i will.. and i'll be sure to update :) |
| [23:20:37] | Daviey: | justinh: hell yeah |
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| [23:24:45] | eugo: | AndyCap: the mmds top-box has a sim card for the subscription ID (pay tv), do DVB cards support pay-tv functionality? |
| [23:25:02] | justinh: | ah bugger. I made a booboo |
| [23:25:58] | AndyCap: | eugo: hmm, haven't really looked for a DVB-T card that does. DVB-C and DVB-S cards do if they have a Common Interface slot (CI) |
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| [23:26:35] | AndyCap: | eugo: you would need Conditional Access Module (CAM) for the access control system they use. (Like Conax, Nagravision etc) |
| [23:26:52] | eugo: | ok so it is possible... i just cant see how it would magically fit together |
| [23:27:22] | eugo: | it boils down to.. 'is it worth the trouble?' |
| [23:27:51] | AndyCap: | eugo: heh, probably not unless you really like tinkering |
| [23:28:07] | eugo: | well the geek in me would never give up! im going for it |
| [23:29:56] | directhex: | some dvb-t cards have a CI slot |
| [23:29:58] | directhex: | mine does |
| [23:30:10] | directhex: | technotrend tt-budget t-1500 |
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| [23:32:48] | AndyCap: | eugo: so there is some dvb-t transmissions as well? http://www.fjarskiptahandbokin.is/index.php?o . . . p;Itemid=125 |
| [23:35:17] | eugo: | AndyCap: Oh my g**! that page has all the answers i have been looking for.. i am actually ashamed for being beaten by a norweigan =) |
| [23:35:19] | eugo: | DVB-T seems to be in broadcast as well as 13 stations on MMDS |
| [23:35:45] | eugo: | the name of that web page litterally translates to "the communications manual" |
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| [23:37:42] | AndyCap: | seems vodafone is even promising háskerpuútsendingar |
| [23:38:50] | eugo: | yeah they seem to be working on it.. you speak icelandic? |
| [23:39:22] | AndyCap: | Not really no. |
| [23:39:34] | AndyCap: | but it's not that hard to understand a bit of it |
| [23:39:52] | AndyCap: | well, as long as it's written anyway. :) |
| [23:40:08] | eugo: | did you get your DVB card in norway? i dont get any ideas on where i would find one... |
| [23:40:50] | AndyCap: | eugo: oh, that was directhex's card. I just have a cheap usb dvb-t receiver, no pay-tv support on it. but it's ok for me |
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| [23:43:45] | directhex: | http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . -remote.html |
| [23:43:59] | AndyCap: | heh. directhex beat me to it |
| [23:44:07] | AndyCap: | directhex: would you recommend dvbshop? |
| [23:44:28] | directhex: | yes. not cheap, but experts in the field |
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| [23:44:54] | AndyCap: | directhex: ok. haven't shopped there myself, so not sure if I dared recommend it to someone else. :P |
| [23:45:16] | AndyCap: | but. it's getting late |
| [23:46:11] | eugo: | wow they sell usb dvb-t cards for 1100 no kr... |
| [23:46:18] | eugo: | in iceland that is |
| [23:46:25] | eugo: | yeah gn |
| [23:46:50] | AndyCap: | eugo: according to a document I found Icelandic broadcasting corp uses conax CAS7 |
| [23:47:17] | eugo: | paste plz =) |
| [23:47:46] | AndyCap: | eugo: http://www.akti.hu/periodika/dok/DVB-T.doc |
| [23:48:24] | AndyCap: | eugo: which should be easy enough to find legit CAM's for |
| [23:49:59] | eugo: | im not familiar with it *googles* |
| [23:51:07] | directhex: | AndyCap, assuming it's permitted in the t&c |
| [23:51:20] | directhex: | AndyCap, e.g. sky dvb-s bands anything but permitted set-top boxes |
| [23:51:24] | directhex: | bans |
| [23:52:37] | AndyCap: | directhex: well, yeah. but for nds there's also only dodgy cam's |
| [23:52:59] | Der_Thomas: | hey, hey, can anyone help me diagnose a problem with the skip function? |
| [23:53:23] | Der_Thomas: | When I am using my FE on my BEthis works fine, |
| [23:53:53] | Der_Thomas: | but then I am using my seperate FE, it takes FOREVER to skip through something |
| [23:54:31] | Der_Thomas: | It seems like it only skips about every 1 or 2 seconds (real time 30 sec video time) |
| [23:55:04] | directhex: | networked how |
| [23:55:06] | Der_Thomas: | I don't know how to figure out if this a a network bandwidth issue or a computing power issue with the FE |
| [23:55:08] | directhex: | ? |
| [23:55:33] | Der_Thomas: | Cat 5 cable through a hub |
| [23:57:57] | gbee: | hub, or switch? |
| [23:58:15] | eugo: | AndyCap: do you mean i could get a conax decoder card? those are available? |
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| [23:59:17] | Der_Thomas: | sorry, I grabed my hub and pulled out a cable, not sure if I missed any questions |
| [23:59:18] | Der_Thomas: | it is a cheap hub – SohoWare |
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