Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, November 2nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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johnsu01:

kormoc: I did try export NO_XV=1 and then starting mythfrontend in the same shell

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venger:

it appears that mythtv applies the current screen settings (GUI width/height X/Y offset) to xine and makes it play videos in the same size as the GUI, is that the case? how does it achieve that? I found that my TV does a image shift to prevent burnin which is good, but in that case for xine it can expose a couple rows of pixels the same color as the mythtv background. I'm thinking i could get xine to have the video size a litt

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kormoc:

venger, myth just uses the xine command line you set, nothing else

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kormoc:

johnsu01, you could always try logging the frontend's output

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kormoc:

mythfrontend -v all &> file.log

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venger:

kormoc, i just explain the edge of "blue" pixels that are exposed if the xine video output is matching X's resolution settings and not the GUI settings

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venger:

c/i just/i just can't

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kormoc:

my point is myth doesn't actually do anything at all. Your xine settings determine if xine goes full screen or just a very precisely sized window.

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venger:

so overscan settings in myth wouldn't affect xine either huh

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kormoc:

ccorrect

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kormoc:

*correct

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venger:

and here i thought i was on to something

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venger:

no wonder, this problem pertained to livetv not xine, which does explain what i was seeing.

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mzb_d800:

venger: xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 1 ???

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Mr_Grieves:

Is there a way for the mythconverg database to rescan the recordings folder? There were some recordings deleted/corrupted outside of myth and the db is acting like they're still there, i.e. they remain in the "Recorded Programs" although they are not on the disc.

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venger:

mzb_d800, perhaps you were discussing attributes with someone else?

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mzb_d800:

venger: no, you mentioned edge of blue pixels

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johnsu01:

kormoc: hm, actually there seems to be a db problem going on here, there was a crashed table

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johnsu01:

but there is also 2007-11–02 08:05:41.521 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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johnsu01:

2007-11–02 08:05:41.562 VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X shared memory video output.

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venger:

mzb_d800, yea its specific to having set the GUI to specific width/height to compensate for overscan and playing recordings in that same window and then having the TV periodically do an image shift to prevent burn in

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venger:

i could either go more on the overscan settings--maybe, or turn off overscan and have playback occur in the normal X resolution. of course i can't test this theory right now. I'll have to revamp all this whenever i get interlaced modelines to work with the nvidia driver

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johnsu01:

also, I imported the db from another backend to this one, and it looks like the hostname of the old backend is still in the db

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venger:

mzb_d800, however i'm not familar with this setting you are talking about, is xvattr a binary?

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Weezey:

I updated to SVN on the weekend and I've got a couple problems.

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Weezey:

now all my recordings are only going 0.01 and I can fast forward > 3x.

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BULLE:

Weezey: well that is to be excpected when you run svn, you are running the bleeding edge devel version

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Weezey:

yeah, last two times were fine.

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venger:

mzb_d800, i see you wanted output for XV_COLORKEY, i can't run it on the box in question at the moment

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mzb_d800:

$ dpkg -S $(which xvattr)

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mzb_d800:

xvattr: /usr/bin/xvattr

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venger:

the 5 year old likes tivo too

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venger:

;)

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mzb_d800:

I have the xvattr line in my xinitrc to prevent the blue border

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Weezey:

also, i'm getting the occasional tinny audio on the latest ivtv too.

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venger:

mzb_d800, for you, this blue border comes from the myth theme or the desktop, would you say?

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mzb_d800:

no

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Weezey:

desktop

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mzb_d800:

iirc, it's "unallocated" sections of the screen

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venger:

i'd certainly agree to that

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mzb_d800:

setting the colorkey to 1 makes the "unallocated" sections black (or very dark grey)

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venger:

cool deal ill try this, this approach is less obtrusive it seems

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mzb_d800:

works on my 35yo PAL TV ;)

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mzb_d800:

(and also a 3yo TV, and a 20" monitor)

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BULLE:

venger: the blue color is the default color of the video overlay, the xcattr command lets you alter the color of the video overlay

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johnsu01:

so, the recorded table in mythconverg has incorrect hostnames

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johnsu01:

is there a way I can correct this through the myth interface or do I need to just sql?

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johnsu01:

nm, I found http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc23.15

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k-man_:

is there a theme that has the current time on some of the menus?

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venger:

do xvattr settings stick across reboot or would they need to go in .xinitrc

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GreyFoxx:

k-man_: Only in svn

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k-man_:

ah

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k-man_:

ok

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k-man_:

thanks

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k-man_:

will that be in the next release?

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GreyFoxx:

k-man_: certainly

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k-man_:

cool thanks

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Der_Thomas:

hello everyone, wondering if anyone can help me remove a recording that will not delete from myth

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Der_Thomas:

any SQL HACKERS AROUND?

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venger:

Der_Thomas, did you try bouncing the backend then deleting it?

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Der_Thomas:

sorry Bouncing?

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venger:

start/stop

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Der_Thomas:

yeah

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Der_Thomas:

wierd thing is that 1st the file was missing but there was still an entry in the "recoedings" page

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Der_Thomas:

i found a sql command that lists the names of your recordings and the name of the file it is attached to

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venger:

mysql-navigator can get you started on at least viewing your data

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Der_Thomas:

then I checked and yeah the file was gone

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Der_Thomas:

I copied a file to the name of the missing one and still not able to delete

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Der_Thomas:

oh shit

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Der_Thomas:

ERROR 145 (HY000): Table './mythconverg/recorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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Der_Thomas:

this was the SQL command I used before

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Der_Thomas:

select title, basename from recorded;

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GreyFoxx:

repair table recorded;

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GreyFoxx:

then just touch the filename

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GreyFoxx:

and makesure the backend has permisssions to remove the file

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Der_Thomas:

now it gives that error

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Der_Thomas:

OK

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Der_Thomas:

Repaired

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Der_Thomas:

thanks GreyFoxx

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ZoneClone:

does anyone know what could cause wavy lines like this: http://tinyurl.com/2bndz6 (4MB MPEG). Definitely happens during record, not playback. I upgraded from 0.18 to 0.20.2 and it was working fine for a while. The only problem with the upgrade other than this is that the card isn't tuned to the right channel on startup, I have to use ptune.pl to tune it on reboot. Using a PVR-350.

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mzb_d800:

hmm .. just playing with a fairly recent version of mythweb ... I've been trying to change a parental rating on a video, and I have "requests pending" but how do I commit those?

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venger:

anyone else here experiencing a plaid looking video screen displaying (only) after having previously watched say a video via xine and then go to watch a recording later or vice versa? i think this is nvidia related

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Der_Thomas:

HEY THAT WORKED!!

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Der_Thomas:

now it is deleted

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pestilence:

so is there a good combo QAM/analog combo card that will work well in a lower end (mini ITX, via processor for example) pc?

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pestilence:

i see that the hauppage cards don't have drivers.

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Der_Thomas:

ZoneClone: Justs looks like bad signal to me

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venger:

i couldn't get that video to play zone, i do have quicktime installed

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ZoneClone:

Der_Thomas: cable works fine when hooked up to TV

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pestilence:

or maybe a simpler question: what card do people use for ATSC/QAM + NTSC?

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venger:

ZoneClone, did it ever work?

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Der_Thomas:

ZoneClone: That is possiable, but since you have the sgnal split to go to the computer and it is on a different cable line... Also different divices require different signal levels

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venger:

never mind you said it was in .18

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ZoneClone:

venger: yep, I've had this for 4 years or so

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venger:

well last resort you can always dump it in a windows box and use the hauppauge software just to verify the card is still ok

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Der_Thomas:

ZoneClone: If I remember my ElectroMagnetic Fields and Waves class right, a 2 way splitter drops your signal -3dB

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Der_Thomas:

ZoneClone: Try running the cable directly to the computer to see if that helps

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Der_Thomas:

ZoneClone: If so then you know you have a signal problem

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ZoneClone:

venger: Window box, what's that? :)

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ZoneClone:

err Windows

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ZoneClone:

Der_Thomas: I'll try that

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venger:

sorry i assume all of us have 3–4 computers with all sorts of flavors

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venger:

i guess kasper sky is protecting me from seeing quicktime videos

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ZoneClone:

Der_Thomas: still happens with cable straight from the box

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Der_Thomas:

ZoneClone: Is this ALL channels?

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ZoneClone:

right now, no. Channel 1 has it big time, Channel 70 doesn't have it at all. Let me try with it split and see if it's the same

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ZoneClone:

hmm, with it split Channel 1 is still bad, Channel 70 has lines now but not as bad as 1

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venger:

still confused where the upgrade alone would affect the reception. did the neighbors tap in? =)

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Der_Thomas:

ZoneClone: Sounds like you don't have a very good signal coming off of the pole

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Der_Thomas:

maybe it is good enough for the TV, but prob not enough for the cards

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Der_Thomas:

I'll call the cable co and see if they can help

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Der_Thomas:

**IF THEY CARE**

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ZoneClone:

I'm not sure Time Warner likes third party DVRs :)

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Der_Thomas:

yeah, I'm sure, but really at the end of the day, you are paying for a clean signal

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ZoneClone:

I've been in this apartment for 4 years and I still don't know how the cable is wired. Five cable boxes, amplifiers, splitters, this will be fun to debug..

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johndbritton:

ive been having some strange problems, sometimes mythbackend will fail, then i ran out of disk space because of growing log files. I fixed all that up and ive been watching the tail of my logfile... now its filling up with errors again http://pastebin.com/m72b57404 is a link to mythbackend.log anyone know what is going on?

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Der_Thomas:

hey, how does this sound for a cheap myth box: 1.5 Ghz VIA C7 CPU embedded in a Mini-ITX motherboard, 512MB of RAM and an 80GB hard drive

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Der_Thomas:

they come preinstalled wth Ubuntu and are sold at....Wal*Mart!!

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** venger looks for a price **

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Der_Thomas:

oops – $200

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venger:

has its own case too?

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venger:

toss me a link if its on walmart.com i want to look

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Der_Thomas:

yeah – it is meant to be a desktop, but sounds like a cheap mythbox to me

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Der_Thomas:

http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/01/1421218

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Der_Thomas:

http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/10/200-everex-gree.html

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Der_Thomas:

the 2nd one is prob better

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venger:

wow walmart and linux, unreal

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mzb_d800:

is it possible to record two channels on the same transport using a single DVB tuner?

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I actually toured the Dell plant in Nachville a few months back and they were CRANKING out Wlamart boxes

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Der_Thomas:

err Nashville

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siXy:

mzb_d800: yeah if you use the multirec in svn

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mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

I can't see a real application for it here, but it might come in handy

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siXy:

GreyFoxx said he was recording 8 things at a time of a single tuner using it. i dont have that many on one multiplex myself however

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siXy:

but still v nice

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venger:

well thats pretty cool news, there should be an influx of walmart myth'ers soon

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Der_Thomas:

think that would have anough power to be a BE/FE?

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siXy:

Der_Thomas: probably be ok for SD. low on recording space tho

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Der_Thomas:

shit I only use 40GB now :~)

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ZoneClone:

model name : Pentium II (Deschutes) cpu MHz : 233.867. That's by BE/FE, 1.5Ghz should be ok :)

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Der_Thomas:

WOW really?

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siXy:

Der_Thomas: SD doesnt require much horsepower

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ZoneClone:

yeah. It's a 333Mhz actually, but the BIOS battery is dead so it's set to 233Mhz.

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siXy:

HD is a different beast however

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siXy:

ZoneClone: bios batteries cost almost nothing :P

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Der_Thomas:

Well I have a VIA C3 1GHz and it kind of sucks as jsut a FE

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RaYmAn-Bx:

C3 is extremely low-performance, especially when it comes to video (floating point)

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ZoneClone:

siXy: probably true. I finally gave up and hooked a keyboard up to it permanently to get around the 'Press F1 to continue' messages

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siXy:

ZoneClone: thats still my favourite ever error message :) i would love to meet the person who got into work one day, sat down and wrote: keyboar error or keyboard not present. press f1 to continue

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Der_Thomas:

so, wait a C3 1GHz is not as good as a FE/BE as a 233 Pent?

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siXy:

the c7 in the pc in your link has a proper fpu, and supports sse2 so should be several times faster for video than your c3 1ghz

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venger:

Der_Thomas, you can get a NZXT duet case for like $15 ater rebate and i bet the egg can deliver a few parts of higher stature for the remaining dough, but thats just an opinion

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pestilence:

Der_Thomas: could you do HDTV with myth and that box?

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pestilence:

siXy: so you couldn't do HD on a 1.5 GHz via c7?

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siXy:

pestilence: doubt it

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pestilence:

darn.

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pestilence:

:-D

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pestilence:

i have a very stupid question. how would you hook up a mythtv box to a HDTV?

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siXy:

with a lead

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BULLE:

pestilence: just hdmi/dvi/vga/component whatever

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pestilence:

BULLE: do most hdtv's accept vpg cables?

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pestilence:

oops wrong keys

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pestilence:

vga

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siXy:

pestilence: most is a tricksy word. many do

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BULLE:

pestilence: depends on the model i guess, its pretty common they have a vga input, atleast here

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pestilence:

ok, thanks

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pestilence:

i promised my parents a DVR last christmas, and am still toying with the idea :-D

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BULLE:

if they eat their spinage and behave nicely they will perhaps get it for this christmas!

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pestilence:

i don't have a tv or cable, so maybe that explains why i know nothing about hdtv

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pestilence:

yes. maybe!

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pestilence:

well, the way i see it, their lives are all the better for not watching as much tv.

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pestilence:

but, if i could get away with that everex $200 pc + a $100 tuner card, i'd likely actually do it soon.

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siXy:

no need to pay anything like $100 on a tuner

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pestilence:

i'm listening :-D

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pestilence:

the hauppage cards looked pretty nice to me, doing encoding right on the card. and they run about $100 right?

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pestilence:

and i'm kind of torn, they really should have an HD DVR to go with their HDTV. but i'm also cheap.

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siXy:

pestilence: i have no idea how to get your tv so i dont know what kind of card you need. if you only need analogue, a pvr-150 can be had pretty cheaply

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pestilence:

they have a HDTV with builtin ATSC/QAM + NTSC tuner

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pestilence:

so they get both digital and analog channels.

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BULLE:

\o/ digalog channels!

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pestilence:

but from what i gather from you, that everex PC won't do much digital. or at least the hd ones.

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BULLE:

pestilence: indeed

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siXy:

if you want digital OTA you can get a winfast dvb 1000t for very little

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pestilence:

so i don't think it's worth bothering with digital at all, because they only get like 2 straight SD channels.

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pestilence:

siXy: hmm. they definitely have an aversion to antennas.

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siXy:

antennas??

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pestilence:

siXy: don't you need one for OTA digital?

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siXy:

well yeah, same as you need one for OTA analogue

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pestilence:

so when you say "a pvr-150 can be had pretty cheaply", what ballpark did you mean

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pestilence:

the cheapest i find is about $60

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pestilence:

(USD)

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pestilence:

thing is, they get their digital feed from their cable. same as their analog. so no antenna required.

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BULLE:

usd 60 seems like a reasonable price for a pvr-150

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pestilence:

ok

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siXy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116633

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siXy:

$53.99

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siXy:

no remote however

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pestilence:

yup, about $60 :-D

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mikeones:

if I have two ivtv cards and I want card 1 to alwasy be vodeo0 and card two to alwasy be video1 what do I do?

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siXy:

mikeones: udev rules

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mikeones:

I remember seting my video0 to video-PRT350 and video1 to video-Kworld somw where

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mchou:

siXy: screw udev

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mchou:

siXy: udev is most retarded

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mchou:

use ivtv_first_minor ivtv module parameter

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siXy:

mchou: heh :)

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mchou:

whoever came up with the idea of making the user define kernel dev nodes is a TOTAL moron

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mchou:

you can't get LESS userfriendly

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iamlindoro_:

aw, it's not THAT bad

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iamlindoro_:

Plus, you end up with a sexy /dev/video-pvr-150

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iamlindoro_:

or something suitably fun

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mchou:

you figure with all the kernel devs someone would have been smarter designing a hotplug system that doesnt involve user intervention

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mchou:

as much I love linux there are some things in the kernel that are unbelievably fscked

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mchou:

udev being the prime example

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siXy:

mchou: happily many of what i would regard as bad decisions in kernel development are good for the enterprise, which makes my job easier. but yeah i know what you mean

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feiner:

mchou: your right about the unfriendlyness of udev rules, but there are a lot of unfriendly things in linux as far as the normal user is concerned

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mchou:

feiner: well, udev tops them all

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mchou:

feiner: and not only that, it's completely unnecessary

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mchou:

iamlindoro_: what's wrong with "ln -sf /dev/video0 /dev/video-pvr-150"?

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feiner:

mchou: haha yeah, on my old laptop i wrote rules to have my external harddrives to different things based on which it was, new laptop just use gnome and watchamacallit and tell it to mount them to different places

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mchou:

assuming /dev/video0 is "persistent"?

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iamlindoro_:

Well that's sorta what you're doing...ish :)

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mchou:

iamlindoro_: so why would anyone need to write rules for that?

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iamlindoro_:

Why does it have to be such a big bitching and moanish session? It can be done with one command and one edit of a file for each device... less than two minutes.

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iamlindoro_:

er moaning

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

and 20 minutes of realing crappy udev "documentation"

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iamlindoro_:

just seems a bit dramatic, hence my "It's not that bad."

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mchou:

reading*

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feiner:

its because udev rules are overly complicated until you learn them

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feiner:

once you learn them it isnt so bad

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siXy:

yeah. they could have been made a lot simpler than they are. and the docs arent great

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iamlindoro_:

A better example of things being horribly obfuscated is lirc.. although that is, of course, not the kernel

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feiner:

plenty of online howtos

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mchou:

feiner: there is no reason for udev in the first place. Hotplug can be "solved" by much more transparent methods

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pestilence:

yea, looks like the pvr150 is about $60 without remote, and about $80-$90 with a remote

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pestilence:

:-/

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pestilence:

who wouldn't want a remote for their dvr, is what i want to know (unless they are watching it on the computer)

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mchou:

I've never understood why ppl found lirc to be so difficult.

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feiner:

you can just make an ir receiver and use a universal remote for cheaper but then gotta put some work into it

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siXy:

lirc isnt difficult, its just not very good

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mchou:

it was plug and play for me, and I have about 4 different kinds of receivers

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iamlindoro_:

It's *not*, again, once you learn it... but come on... first you have to build modules... then you need a lircd.conf... then you need an lircrc... in myth, in TWO places...

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iamlindoro_:

named two different things

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iamlindoro_:

sheesh

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iamlindoro_:

not bad once you've done it, but tell THAT to some poor sap who just dumped windows

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feiner:

you dont need it in two places unless you wanna use the remote outside of mythtv

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siXy:

alsa is my choice for thing thats stupidly complex

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siXy:

docs are pretty much nonexistatnt (actually its got better recently but still...) and stuff like dmix is a complete pita

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iamlindoro_:

I think if there's one thing in the myth install that consistently makes people go, "Ya know, I think I'll just go back to Windows," it's lirc

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feiner:

haha, if you use google you can find howtos for most things even though they arent always for the same distro with some thinking you can usually make it work

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iamlindoro_:

although, it its defense, its pretty idiot proof in gutsy

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iamlindoro_:

feiner, I'm not making the case that it's impossible or even hard, just that it's completely unapproachable for a absolute linux rube

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siXy:

ideally lirc would use the input layer, which would make it much simpler to configure and also much faster

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iamlindoro_:

Everything is moving in the right direction, though... hey, look at the difference between ivtv/capture card setup between now and five years ago

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feiner:

yeah, i've been installing mythtv on two computers for the last 5 years with no linux experience when i started granted i havent done anything to them the last two years until recently but the linux experience i've gained in the last couple years is way more than i had before

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feiner:

ok maybe its onlye been the last 3 years

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iamlindoro_:

Ummmmm, wow... This is an interesting night for the shadier Battlestar Galactica fans... looks like someone leaked the new TV movie

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feiner:

its so much easier once you know a few things

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feiner:

theres a new new battlestar galactica movie???

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iamlindoro_:

2 Hour special, Razor

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feiner:

ok so not a movie just a long ep

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iamlindoro_:

sorta, it's a flashback and covers Pegasus

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iamlindoro_:

And, apparently, the first war

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feiner:

havent really watched it much since the first season

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iamlindoro_:

I am going to see it in a theater screening on the 12th

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Toxicity999:

alright, shoddy old MX 420 graphics card being used for TV out on a mythbox, using mythbuntu, the image is noticeably grainy, and my tvout fu is weak, any thoughts? The TV is CRT as well.

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iamlindoro_:

They've been doing two-minute mini-episodes every friday night during that DOG of a show Flash Gordon

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Toxicity999:

Not as in video, the entire TV out image itself.

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iamlindoro_:

toxicity, only that s-video is going to suck no matter how you slice it

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siXy:

Toxicity999: is it grainy if you watch it on a computer monitor too?

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siXy:

oh right

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Toxicity999:

Not really

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siXy:

well a better svideo cable might help, also move any mains cables well away

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Toxicity999:

it was much better from my desktop via SVid

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iamlindoro_:

Theres only so much tweaking you can do of tv-out... if it runs the nvidia-glx drivers, you might try using nvidia-config and playing with settings

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feiner:

yeah svideo sucks especially on older/cheaper cards even in M$ winblows

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iamlindoro_:

but no promises

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iamlindoro_:

and, as feiner says, older cards are gonna have iffier s-vid

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Toxicity999:

nah, nvidia config does little for TV Out, basic flicker color settings

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Toxicity999:

not even proper positioning settings, just overscan, another nvidia gripe.

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feiner:

i dont think they thought anyone would want to use them or something when they designed the cards although then what was the pourpose of putting it in

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iamlindoro_:

Well there's no "quality slider" on nvidia tv-out... it's kinda a minor miracle if you make it work at all, if you ask some people, haha :)

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iamlindoro_:

although, that said...

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Toxicity999:

well if it had XY positioning instead of just overscan I would be pleased enough, it's losing about 50 pixels on the top, the TV itself has no image moving support either D=

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iamlindoro_:

there's another, non-nvidia driver tool that handles nvidia tv out on its own, and allegedly has more granular control

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siXy:

ati has better tv out but worse drivers. isnt that great? :)

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iamlindoro_:

nvtvout, maybe?

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Toxicity999:

iamlindoro_ doesn't work with this chipset

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Toxicity999:

that was what I tried first.

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iamlindoro_:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

bummer

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iamlindoro_:

then you may be sol

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Toxicity999:

the card is AMAZINGLY horrid, it studders with OpenGL vsync + OSD + playback of standrad res cideo XD

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Toxicity999:

*video

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Toxicity999:

but it was kicking around, like the other parts.

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Toxicity999:

I just have an old P3 proc in it, and it's not bottlenecking on that either, which is fun. I could spend 20$ and double the graphics power though XD

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iamlindoro_:

I got a 7600 for *$40*, new, this week, for a new backend... might be worth it

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Toxicity999:

That sure sucks, paid 80 for my biostar 7300GT 256mb a year back now.

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Toxicity999:

but this is just for the frontend, I need nothing remotely as powerful as my deskto

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iamlindoro_:

The number of systems with on-board ATI is driving me insane-o these days

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iamlindoro_:

Looks like AMD is finally kicking the driver train into gear, tho

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MarineTim:

yeah, the radeonhd driver actually kinda works for some setups, so i hear.

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bsdfox_:

my backend has a 1mb s3 pci video card :P

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iamlindoro_:

heheh, well hey, good enough for a BE

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iamlindoro_:

But hey, at least cheap video cards back then HAD memory of their own

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feiner:

yeah now they are all shared mem

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bsdfox_:

the new cards all have onboard memory

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bsdfox_:

only ones I know that don't are integrated into the mobo

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iamlindoro_:

That's what I mean

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feiner:

yeah

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feiner:

by cheap i mean 30 buck gets you a mobo and vidcard

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feiner:

or you can spend 20 on each

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feiner:

but thats still cheap i guess

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johndbritton:

siXy: remember the problem i was having yesterday with LVM... i ran badblocks on all my disks and found one of them to have about 100 bad blocks, the rest were all fine. I've been doing a bit of googling today about how to repair the blocks, but haven't found anything that I can understand easily, i dont care about the data... i can lose it, just want to get the bad blocks repaired/flagged so that i dont get any more write erro

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bsdfox_:

I got a e2140+pos via mobo w/ xvmc support with the onboard graphics for $80

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bsdfox_:

sweet frontend/compiler machine :)

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bsdfox_:

johndbritton: the drives handle that automatically

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Staticwave_Ace:

so, mythtv has been having issues with correctly scanning my hdhomerun

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bsdfox_:

johndbritton: smartctl -a /dev/hdX

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bsdfox_:

what's it say under relocated sector count

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Staticwave_Ace:

so I used the hdhomerun_config's scan, and coverted it manually into a channels.conf

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Der_Thomas:

venger, you still around? Where did you see that price on the NZXT duet case?

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Staticwave_Ace:

I'm trying to import it, but the parseing is failing, is there any way to debug such a thing?

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johndbritton:

bsdfox_: http://pastebin.com/m2edff529

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iamlindoro_:

Ace, is Myth's scan not working properly that you are using the HDHomerun's?

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: it misses a signficant number of channels

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Staticwave_Ace:

with and without the "use unecrypted only"

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bsdfox_:

5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 195 195 140 Pre-fail Always – 69

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bsdfox_:

200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate 0x0009 001 001 051 Pre-fail Offline FAILING_NOW 22459

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bsdfox_:

1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 083 023 051 Pre-fail Always In_the_past 7105

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bsdfox_:

that disk looks like it's going bad

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, I see

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iamlindoro_:

Ace, mythtv-setup doesn't give any output at the terminal? Perhaps it can be run with -v all?

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johndbritton:

is there a way to salvage it?

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iamlindoro_:

when importing the channels.conf, that is

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gizmobay:

I use to get periodic backend crashes on LiveTV. I switched the audio from mp3 to uncompressed and I haven't had a crash since. Anyone have any idea why selecting mp3 would crash my system?

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: there's some output there, but it doesn't explicitly indicate where its failing

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: there's something about an "ASSERT i < something from qt"

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iamlindoro_:

Or, perhaps, get someone to give you a channels.conf made with szap and use that as your template

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Staticwave_Ace:

the wife is currently watching TV, so I can't quote it exactly

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: well, I used one from the wiki as a template

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Staticwave_Ace:

example: AETVHD:651000000:QAM_256:0:0:273

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docjay:

can someone help me copy a movie over to my myth box? I'm using ubuntu fiesty 7.04 – thanks

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siXy:

docjay: man scp

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iamlindoro_:

Could be something as simple as carriage returns or something... just throwing it out there as I've never used a channels.conf

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: I'm not sure what the two numbers where the zeros are mean, so they're all zero

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docjay:

man scp?

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siXy:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

docjay, he's telling you to read the manpage for scp by running man scp

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: hrmm, maybe it shouldn't have any blank lines...

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siXy:

if you want to copy stuff over more regualrly, you should use nfs instead

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Staticwave_Ace:

oh how I wish I could configure mythtv *without* a GUI

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siXy:

johndbritton: physical bad blocks should be dealth with automatically by the dirve, unless its an *ancient* hdd

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iamlindoro_:

docjay, alternately, and keep in mind that I am going to dinner and will in no way troubleshoot this, you should go to the Shared Folders tool in your Administration menu and set the video directory as a share

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bsdfox_:

johndbritton: you can just keep using it and hope it works.. I've run drives for over a year with similar errors

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kdubya:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

Ace, mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg, hahahahah

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johndbritton:

bsdfox_: im having problems with it though... i think, and i think its because the bad sectors aren't marked

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docjay:

okay, are most people running thier distro of linux with a desktop instead of only commandline? is it a lot easier that way?

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bsdfox_:

nah, that drive auto maps the bad blocks

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: not quite ;)

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siXy:

johndbritton: have you run a fsck on the disk?

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johndbritton:

but i really dont know if that is the problem, or if im correct in saying they arent marked

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bsdfox_:

the drive is failing though...

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johndbritton:

siXy: no

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iamlindoro_:

Ace, technically you COULD do it all that way

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kdubya:

docjay, are you trying to copy from a windows machine?

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siXy:

well that would be a start

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bsdfox_:

fsck isn't gonna do anything about bad blocks ;)

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siXy:

bsdfox_: nope. but i'm guessing his p[roblems arent actually related to the bad blocks

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docjay:

kdubya – yes

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iamlindoro_:

hey, c'mon, fire up the ol' DOS prompt and run a Fdisk /r, am I right? Guys? Guys? *cricket*

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docjay:

what folder would the movies live in on the mythbox?

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iamlindoro_:

docjay, whichcever one you set it to in mythfrontend

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bsdfox_:

why use dos fdisk?

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siXy:

docjay: whereever you set in settings > media > video

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iamlindoro_:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General

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johndbritton:

siXy: what do you think the prb is if its not the blocks

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iamlindoro_:

bsdfox, just being a goof

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kdubya:

then i dont think looking at the manual for scp will help you much

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siXy:

johndbritton: run a fsck and see if it turns up anything. fsck's should be run every now and then anyway

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iamlindoro_:

docjay, set it as a share as I suggested, using Samba, you can then sbrowse to it in network neighborhood

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siXy:

or just download winscp

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johndbritton:

siXy: k, thanks... doing it now

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kdubya:

if he didnt know what scp was he is going to have a hell of a time setting up samba

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iamlindoro_:

kdubya, that's why I'm trying to keep him out of smb.conf. :) If he only goes to shared folders in gdm on Feisty, hopefully he can't break anything too bad :)

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iamlindoro_:

And I believe it sets it up the first time you go in there with some default settings that ought to work.

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Staticwave_Ace:

is there a method to disable the opengl drawing, so that I can run mythtv-setup via X over ssh

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iamlindoro_:

You could try it in Qt mode, dunno if that would work

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Staticwave_Ace:

how do I force that on

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siXy:

Staticwave_Ace: yeah using qt works (slowly mind)

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iamlindoro_:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->uhhhh General or Appearance, I don't recall which

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bsdfox_:

johndbritton: the problem is that the drive is going bad :P

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siXy:

its appearance

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bsdfox_:

can't do anything to repair it..

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iamlindoro_:

thar ya go

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Staticwave_Ace:

iamlindoro_: yeah, see, I want to do that on the command line, without changing the default

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johndbritton:

bsdfox_: but i dont want it to go bad!

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johndbritton:

i need that extra recording time

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iamlindoro_:

ah... well, I dunno about that

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siXy:

Staticwave_Ace: mythtv-frontend --help

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siXy:

its documented there, but i cannot remember what it is off the top of my head

[03:33:56]

Staticwave_Ace:

siXy: this is mythtv-setup, and its not under *its* help

[03:34:21]

siXy:

oh. well you could manually edit the db....

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Staticwave_Ace:

ugh

[03:34:32]

Staticwave_Ace:

again, I don't want to change the default

[03:34:54]

Staticwave_Ace:

I just want to be able to administer the box from here

[03:34:58]

Staticwave_Ace:

and since it requires the gui...

[03:35:06]

siXy:

yeah.. but i think you are out of options. find the param for running the fe in qt and see if the setup proggy takes it

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, -O

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Staticwave_Ace:

KEY=VALUE aparently

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Staticwave_Ace:

so now I need to figure out where it is in the db

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johndbritton:

siXy: this error just popped up in the log (2007-11–01 23:30:02.747 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl

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johndbritton:

eno: Bad address (14)

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siXy:

Staticwave_Ace: run show tables; and look for options or settings

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siXy:

its called something like that

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bsdfox_:

I get those too johndbritton.. doesn't seem to cause any problems

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johndbritton:

ok

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johndbritton:

fsck.ext2: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda ... but it's not mounted

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siXy:

johndbritton: unles you have unusual mount points you probably want /dev/sda1

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johndbritton:

ah

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siXy:

and make sure its unmounted before you run the fsck

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venger:

commericial skip just confused a cable signal burp for a comercial and skipped a large chunk of the recording =)

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siXy:

venger: yeah commercial skipping isnt perfect yet – although its better in svn

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bsdfox_:

venger: I normally turn off auto skip and leave it on notify cause of that

[03:43:16]

venger:

just glad i figured it out. i haven't tested notify, does it prompt your or just display something?

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Der_Thomas:

venger, Where did you see that price on the NZXT duet case for that price?

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bsdfox_:

it just displays something

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bsdfox_:

but z/q will skip for you

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venger:

Der_Thomas, rebates on that box are on and off like a light switch, but you just got to find it at the right time. the one i posted was a couple weeks old at most but isn't active.

[03:45:04]

venger:

i have one and its a pretty good case, just need to plan things out before bolting things down and can be a little crapped after a wirey PS goes in there

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venger:

bsd interesting ill have to check that out and probably map those keys in lircrc

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docjay:

okay, are most people running thier distro of linux with a desktop instead of only commandline? is it a lot easier that way?

[03:46:13]

Staticwave_Ace:

gah, anyone, know how to disable opengl drawing when starting mythtv-setup on the command line?

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venger:

Staticwave_Ace, you could edit xorg.conf or you might be able to pass an option to startx for it

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adante:

Staticwave_Ace: no, but iirc it was a qt command (might help you google it)

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Staticwave_Ace:

adante: I need the key that corresponds to opengl drawing in the mysql database, but I have no idea how to extract such a thing

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esandeen:

has anyone seen corrupted digital tv on recent myth?

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adante:

Staticwave_Ace: only key i've got in my settings table is openglvsync

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Staticwave_Ace:

its the drawer for apearance...

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Staticwave_Ace:

I think

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siXy:

Staticwave_Ace: select * from [whatever the table is];

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siXy:

then read through

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Staticwave_Ace:

siXy: yeah, I have no idea what the table is, or what program to run that in

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siXy:

Staticwave_Ace: ok. run mysql -u mythtv -p

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siXy:

then use mythconverg;

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siXy:

then: show tables;

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siXy:

then you will see a list of tables.

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm, don't know what the password is

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siXy:

try mythtv

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johnsu01:

cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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siXy:

or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt depending on distro/pacakage

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Staticwave_Ace:

siXy: indeed it was mythtv

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johnsu01:

for the record, I had a machine compromised due to that, and the break-in probably came from examination of public logs of this channel :)

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Staticwave_Ace:

heh, well you shouldn't have had that port exposed to the outside world

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siXy:

ok. have you done the: use mythconverg; show tables; comamnds?

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Staticwave_Ace:

yes, so now select * from settings;

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Staticwave_Ace:

right?

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siXy:

yeah

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Staticwave_Ace:

| ThemePainter | opengl

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johnsu01:

Staticwave_Ace: it was the mythtv user actually, which is different but yeah :)

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siXy:

if i could remember the strucutre i could narrow it down, but i cannot

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siXy:

ok so just change that to qt

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Staticwave_Ace:

johnsu01: my user account has no password, so no one can actually log in as it

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Staticwave_Ace:

siXy: so on the command line -O ThemePainter=opengl ?

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Staticwave_Ace:

or does it need settings.ThemePainter or somesuch

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siXy:

??

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siXy:

< confused

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Staticwave_Ace:

siXy: I *want* run mythtv-setup *without* changing the database drawing setting

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siXy:

if you want the commandline, just try whatever it says in mythfrontend -help

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Staticwave_Ace:

yes, it says use KEY=VALUE

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Staticwave_Ace:

does the key include the table its in?

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siXy:

oh right. yeah use ThemePainter=qt

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siXy:

no key is ThemePainter

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siXy:

value that you want is qt

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Staticwave_Ace:

and mythtv-setup promptly ignores the -O setting

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siXy:

:D

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Staticwave_Ace:

seems only mythfrontend has that luxury

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Staticwave_Ace:

*sigh*

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siXy:

ok, last option i can think of is set the default to qt, but start all FE's with -O

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siXy:

unless you can find a way to disable ogl entirely for your session

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Staticwave_Ace:

well now that the wife has gone to bed, seems I can get to the machine directly

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm

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Staticwave_Ace:

so channels.conf importing is not robust enough to handle blank lines

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Staticwave_Ace:

perhaps that should be tweaked

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JohnRobert:

What would you guys recommend as the most stable/least hastle distro for installing mythtv on to?

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JohnRobert:

atm, I'm using gutsy, but it seems to be suffering from stability issues (where debian etch did not, but then etch doesn't have quite the same level of driver support)

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siXy:

JohnRobert: fedora is good, although not as newbie friendly as ubuntu its easier than many and jarod maintains excellent walkthroughs for it

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JohnRobert:

hmm

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JohnRobert:

hrmm

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JohnRobert:

ta

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JohnRobert:

:p

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leppie:

okay, I prolly missed it on the wiki...but could someome please point me to the lirc binding list for mythdvd and mythvideo?

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leppie:

for the internal player

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adante:

doesn't hte lirc config just emulate keystrokes?

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feiner:

yeah or runs commands

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leppie:

yeah...but is there a list for the mythdvd internal player keystrokes someplace?

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feiner:

maybe

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leppie:

hrm...think i can see them on mythweb

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feiner:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1

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feiner:

thats all for mythtv, dunno bout mythdvd though

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adante:

i've never actually used myth to play a dvd.. is there yet another player, or does it use the same player as mythtv?

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siXy:

mythdvd internal player is the same as the internal tv player. commands are the same

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leppie:

siXy, so there isn't any extra keystrokes in mythdvd for like root/title menu or anything?

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adante:

oh well, in that case leppie you should have a keys.txt(.gz) somewhere

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mzb_d800:

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=mythtv+keybindings

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siXy:

leppie: there are keys that deal with dvds, but they are a subset of the internal player commands

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leppie:

siXy, that's what I am looking for so I can make my remote work with mythdvd using the Internal player

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leppie:

all those key bindings people are posting don't list mythdvd anywhere

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siXy:

leppie: i cannot remember off the top of my head. stick a dvd in and start spamming buttons until you find the one you wanted :)

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leppie:

lol

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adante:

leppie: there is a JUMPTODVDROOTMENU key in tv playback, it has no default binding hwoever

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leppie:

adante, ohh I see it...thanks adante

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adante:

how good is dvd playback in myth nowadays?

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adante:

last i tried it (.16) it didn't actually exist heh

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adante:

have been thinking of giving it a go again except i'm out of molex connectors and no longer have a dvd drive connected

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leppie:

adante, the new Internal player in .20 is REALLY good

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leppie:

based on FFMpeg and libdvdnav

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leppie:

it plays really well including menus

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siXy:

doesnt handle dvds rippd on ex quality very well/at all tho

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ShockValue:

man this is getting silly.. im tryin anythign to get this dumb cx88 module loaded for my pchdtv3000 and cant come up with anything

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ShockValue:

i just dont see it in the kernel config anypalce

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bsdfox_:

ShockValue: run depmod?

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bsdfox_:

or find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name cx88

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bsdfox_:

might need "cx88*"

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venger:

siXy "ex quality" is that a mythDVD rip thing?

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siXy:

venger: yeah

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venger:

my guess is compression was involved an its not bit perfect? i think i recally reading something on this. I used a windows proggy named DVD fab decryptor for my DVD's but i've always used xine and never tried the internal player

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siXy:

venger: it uses divx5 i think

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venger:

interesting and the resulting size comparison for you?

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venger:

i need to explore some compression options for my current rips, much too large

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siXy:

venger: about 2 gigs iirc

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siXy:

sometimes as much as 4 gigs. but we keep the ac3/dts audio stream

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ShockValue:

gah.. i cant start mysql.. says mythconverg is corrupted

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siXy:

ShockValue: mysqlcheck --auto-repair mythconverg.* -u mysql -p ## somehting like that

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ShockValue:

wouldnt do it because mysql wont start

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ShockValue:

i think i found the issue though, my / drive is 100% full

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levander:

Why when I do a Channel Scan in MythTV setup does it only find channels 2–13 from my cable provider, and nothing above that?

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mzb_d800:

is anyone familiar with "Oxford" PCI DVB cards? I'm considering buying one, but wondering what the chances are of it working.

[06:45:50]

mzb_d800:

It's based on a Conexant chip. The picture isn't good enough to tell the chip model, though.

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mzb_d800:

btw: "Oxford 700"

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mzb_d800:

it appears to be a YUAN PG-700 TV/FM

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anykey_:

Hi, anyone has an idea why only one out of two of my Satelco DVB-C cards is properly detected? lspci -v: http://pastebin.com/m7e9cf3c9 and dmesg http://pastebin.com/m635ab8bb

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siXy:

mzb_d800: the dvb 1000t cards are good and v cheap... would one of them do?

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mzb_d800:

siXy: err ... not sure, requirements are *cheap* and mpeg out (like my dvb usb tuner does)

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mzb_d800:

being low profile is a bonus

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mzb_d800:

Yuan Oxford-PG700: cx23881–39

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siXy:

mzb_d800: http://www.leadtek.com/eng/tv_tuner/overview. . . . ronameid=220

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mzb_d800:

thx

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siXy:

no low profile but its very cheap, and very good

[07:06:00]

siXy:

there are a bunch of cards with the same chipset – might be able to find a low profile one

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mzb_d800:

this is what I'm looking at: http://www.yuan.com.tw/en/products/vdo/vdo_pg700.html

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mzb_d800:

(I think)

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siXy:

mzb_d800: thats a silicon tuner. i would avoid it if i were you

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mzb_d800:

ah, ok, thx

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mzb_d800:

err .. but you mean for the analogue part?

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mzb_d800:

I'm only interested in the dvb-t aspect of it

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siXy:

mzb_d800: yeah thats what i was talking about

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siXy:

better dvb tuners use the old tin can style, which tend to have better sensitivity

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mzb_d800:

v4l dvb wiki doesn't seem to list anything with that chip (revision)

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mzb_d800:

I have 99% signal strength ;)

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mzb_d800:

(care of my "wooden" aerial;)

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siXy:

i would still avoid silicon tuners if i were you

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mzb_d800:

ok, thanks

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mzb_d800:

time for bbq (woman getting mad;)

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siXy:

:)

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CCB0x45:

anyone gotten a pvr 150 blaster to work with a dish 811 hd box?

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CCB0x45:

to blast it

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CCB0x45:

my blaster lights up but nothing happens

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CCB0x45:

the channels dont change

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CCB0x45:

and im using the codes ive found on the net

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justinh:

hmmm hp calcite GL8E motherboard.. should I touch it with a bargepole... hmmmm

[09:58:59]

directhex|work:

rebadged asus

[09:59:15]

directhex|work:

core2 mobile

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directhex|work:

945gt

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directhex|work:

hm, only takes SO-DIMMS

[10:00:07]

directhex|work:

that might make it expensive

[10:00:14]

justinh:

not much socket479 action on ebay lately

[10:00:45]

directhex|work:

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupp . . . g_R1002_USEN

[10:01:29]

justinh:

so-dimms aren't too dear these days

[10:02:04]

justinh:

oh wait it's HP – been there before. sometimes they won't work with just any old ram

[10:02:43]

directhex|work:

i use an hp network card, as the oboard on my asus doesn't even qualify as a bad joke

[10:03:19]

justinh:

1GB DDR2 so-dim for less than £20. sorted

[10:04:54]

justinh:

jees that's half the price of ram for my backend. lol

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justinh:

wtf are people selling socket 479 CPUs if they don't stock motherboards that take em? loonies

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directhex|work:

justinh, aftermarket laptop modding

[10:21:45]

justinh:

loonies, loonies I tell you!

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** directhex|work completes more code. yay, code! **

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Dibblah:

justinh: Going Core2?

[10:45:53]

Dibblah:

Finally got a reasonable PSU for my box. 28w.

[10:46:10]

Dibblah:

(Total from-the-wall draw)

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Dibblah:

Makes the Via crowd look a bit silly.

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justinh:

Dibblah: yeah. mac mini is too limited for me I think

[10:50:38]

justinh:

too many unknows aswell

[10:52:39]

justinh:

like does the tvout work in linux? does lirc work in os x ? then the digital audio out being on the same socket as the analogue

[10:52:50]

Dibblah:

I'm using the one from Spiredream.

[10:52:51]

Dibblah:

Finally got 800x600@50 working – Bob looks good :)

[10:53:17]

justinh:

spiredream? who hell they?>

[10:53:31]

Dibblah:

"same socket" is not _quite_ true, if I understand right. It's different connectors.

[10:53:42]

Dibblah:

(A non-standard plug)

[10:53:47]

Dibblah:

ebay seller.

[10:54:03]

justinh:

Dibblah: ok then. same place. can't have both in at the same time

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Dibblah:

Currently selling a mobile motherboard for the mobile c2d.

[10:54:37]

Dibblah:

I'm using it with a T5500.

[10:55:03]

Dibblah:

It's got a snapped SATA port, but for the price I can live with that :)

[10:55:04]

justinh:

28W draw from the mains? that's less than our cable box

[10:55:13]

Dibblah:

Yup.

[10:55:17]

justinh:

heh won't even need sata on my fe

[10:55:44]

jduggan:

how long does a diskless frontend take to boot?

[10:55:50]

jduggan:

(average)

[10:55:52]

jduggan:

longer?

[10:55:59]

Dibblah:

http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?so . . . 1&fsoo=1

[10:56:16]

justinh:

jduggan: about a minute or so to boot minimyth

[10:56:39]

Dibblah:

jduggan: It depends on your server. And if it's properly configured, you shouldn't really be booting all that often.

[10:56:52]

Dibblah:

(Suspend to RAM is the way to go)

[10:57:02]

justinh:

heh I can repair that sata socket for FA :)

[10:57:16]

Dibblah:

Indeed.

[10:57:38]

Dibblah:

Only thing you have to remember is that it _doesn't_ come with a heatsink.

[10:58:01]

Dibblah:

You need a shim to fit an ordinary P4 one.

[10:58:38]

Dibblah:

... Or you need to grind down the edges of the CPU.

[10:58:43]

Dibblah:

Err... Heatsink.

[10:58:52]

Dibblah:

CPU would be a bit... Adventurous.

[10:59:00]

directhex|work:

that's a per-mobo thing

[10:59:00]

justinh:

heheh

[10:59:14]

directhex|work:

my old s479 board took conventional 478 coolers

[10:59:16]

Dibblah:

I'm meaning on this specific mobo :)

[10:59:21]

jduggan:

lol @ grinding a cpu

[10:59:23]

directhex|work:

which was handy

[10:59:43]

Dibblah:

This one is _meant_ to come with it's own – But it doesn't.

[10:59:55]

Dibblah:

Integrated video is a GM650.

[11:00:00]

jduggan:

i need to build a nice fe

[11:00:04]

Dibblah:

... So same as a mac mini.

[11:00:23]

Dibblah:

In fact, most of the board is the same as a mac mini.

[11:00:23]

jduggan:

currently using a 1.2ghz athlon in a noisey tower case behind my TV :\

[11:00:56]

justinh:

£25 for a pci-e nvidia 7200

[11:01:03]

justinh:

with svideo & DVI out :)

[11:01:08]

justinh:

don't like intel shite

[11:01:25]

directhex|work:

the vesa-based modesetting is vexing

[11:01:44]

justinh:

and their tvout doesn't work til the driver's loaded

[11:01:50]

justinh:

that's pooey

[11:02:40]

jduggan:

but u need a bigger case to put the pci-e in?

[11:02:50]

Dibblah:

Modesetting is gone.

[11:02:57]

justinh:

won't need svid out eventually but that's for when I have a 1080p telly

[11:03:03]

Dibblah:

Went when the 2.1 driver was released.

[11:03:06]

justinh:

arse! can you get pci-e risers?

[11:03:08]

directhex|work:

Dibblah, drv_intel.so is still very very buggy

[11:03:18]

directhex|work:

justinh, aye

[11:03:25]

Dibblah:

Compared to what? ;)

[11:03:49]

Dibblah:

justinh: Technically, yes.

[11:03:50]

justinh:

crap. £25 for a riser

[11:03:56]

directhex|work:

http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/Kustom_PC . . . rds_101.html

[11:04:20]

directhex|work:

Dibblah, on the machines i got for work, it only works if you force 75hz on 60hz screens, else it looks broken

[11:04:30]

** Dibblah wants a x16 x1 -> x1 x16 riser :) **

[11:04:45]

Dibblah:

What only works?

[11:04:59]

justinh:

ah shit I forgot about the lc02's placement of the slots too – the card spacing has to be _just_ so for it to work

[11:05:03]

directhex|work:

Dibblah, displaying something on a screen!

[11:05:11]

** justinh throws it all in the bin! **

[11:05:29]

Dibblah:

All works @60 / 50hz for me, using xrandr 1.2,...

[11:05:53]

Dibblah:

justinh: So, getting a dremel as well?

[11:06:08]

justinh:

Dibblah: nah binning the whole stupid idea

[11:06:09]

directhex|work:

Dibblah, on the monitors i got, unless you forced a dodgy refresh rate, it drew 4:3 with 16:9 res. for some reason

[11:06:39]

justinh:

I'll limp onwards with the shitty epia

[11:08:02]

justinh:

or can those intel efforts do interlaced modes? I could make a vga>scrt

[11:08:21]

justinh:

duh same problem. no display til X has started

[11:08:30]

Dibblah:

Why do you need it?

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Dibblah:

STR.

[11:08:39]

Dibblah:

X is up when the box is up.

[11:08:43]

justinh:

STR never fucking works in linux

[11:09:00]

Dibblah:

... Does for me :(

[11:09:18]

justinh:

or if it does, stupid stuff like the LAN controller not coming back up happens

[11:09:23]

justinh:

or audio

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justinh:

or display

[11:09:58]

justinh:

great when you've got a diskless frontend.. suspend it to ram, wakes up super quick. no damn use at all when the NIC stays asleep

[11:10:04]

Dibblah:

Works OK with this motherboard in most of my testing. Still have to move it to production in a couple of days.

[11:10:19]

Dibblah:

The only "nasty" is... It's wakeable with WOL.

[11:10:29]

justinh:

so?

[11:10:41]

justinh:

I could run a cron job to wake the frontend

[11:10:41]

Dibblah:

But you do that and the NIC doesn't pass packets after wakeup :)

[11:10:51]

Dibblah:

Rather suboptimal for a netbooted machine.

[11:11:26]

Dibblah:

Oh, thank goodness :)

[11:11:37]

Dibblah:

The Intel chipset does gamma!!!

[11:11:40]

justinh:

wtf can't stuff just bloody _do_ what it says on the tin for once? is that so much to ask?

[11:11:50]

Dibblah:

Unlike that POS NVidia stuffup.

[11:12:18]

Dibblah:

(Running a projector – Default gamma curve is _way_ wrong)

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justinh:

does tvout even work in the intel OSS driver?

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justinh:

hmm £45 for the board.. £25 for a VGA card, £20 for a riser, £20 for 1GB RAM, cpu for.. er.. starting to look like 2/3 the price of a mac mini & way less good looking

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Dibblah:

justinh: It's _meant_ to. I haven't proved it.

[11:16:49]

Dibblah:

I'd personally skip on the riser + VGA card. Your power consumption will rocket.

[11:17:16]

justinh:

but intel graphics are shit

[11:18:10]

Dibblah:

"good enough" is what I'm going for :)

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Dibblah:

Okay. Just tried suspend to RAM.

[11:33:59]

Dibblah:

Works. Still have to test LIRC / wakeup from USB.

[11:34:31]

Dibblah:

Wakeup time is on the order of 8s, partially due to this monitor, I think.

[11:34:40]

Dibblah:

That's with the box netbooted.

[11:47:20]

justinh:

hmm completed listings of core2 duo mobile chips have been as low as £50 or so

[11:47:24]

justinh:

:)

[11:47:48]

directhex|work:

justinh, why is my code crashing?

[11:47:54]

justinh:

so £45 for the board,maybe £60 for the CPU, heatsink..

[11:48:01]

justinh:

cos you're lame? ;)

[11:48:37]

justinh:

I doubt your code ability is anything near as bad as mine, so no idea to be honest :)

[11:49:10]

Dibblah:

The low end is cheap, because people upgrade.

[11:49:56]

justinh:

I can settle for a dual core 1.8Ghz CPU for a frontend

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directhex|work:

it shouldn't just crash on an Add method though!

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mzb_d800:

where can I find how out how to use Input Groups in multirec?

[12:30:20]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: what is this box you're trying with working suspend and low power? It sounds nice.

[12:31:25]

Dibblah:

It's essentially a mac mini with a core2duo T5500.

[12:31:46]

Dibblah:

(Actually, an i945GMm-HL.

[12:32:11]

quicksilver:

ah

[12:32:13]

Dibblah:

2 PCI, 1 PCIE x1, 1 PCIE x16

[12:32:13]

** quicksilver nods **

[12:32:31]

quicksilver:

you started with an off-the-shelf mini and haced it?

[12:32:41]

Dibblah:

No. The motherboard above.

[12:32:43]

quicksilver:

ah

[12:33:06]

Dibblah:

Chipset wise, it's pretty much the same as the mac mini, though.

[12:33:49]

quicksilver:

hmm nice

[12:33:59]

quicksilver:

onboard video drivers working adequaltely?

[12:34:14]

quicksilver:

I'm looking for a cheap/small/quiet 2nd frontend

[12:34:16]

Dibblah:

Only problem I'm having is vsync timing.

[12:34:41]

Dibblah:

(Specifically, slight tearing of the image)

[12:35:01]

Dibblah:

I believe that's because I haven't got the frame rate right on the modeline, though.

[12:35:44]

quicksilver:

can't immediately google any UK shop selling it though :(

[12:35:53]

Dibblah:

ebay.

[12:35:57]

justinh:

I'm tempted to go the same way. wondering what kind of heatsink I can get for it which'll cool it quietly

[12:37:03]

justinh:

sod it. got money in my paypal. gonna buy it

[12:37:12]

jduggan:

heh :)

[12:38:04]

justinh:

£18 ish for 1GB so-dimm DDR2

[12:38:09]

Dibblah:

I'm using the Speeze cheapest socket 478 CPU cooler.

[12:38:18]

Dibblah:

See if spiredream has some.

[12:38:26]

Dibblah:

Ask for a bundle discount :)

[12:39:13]

quicksilver:

Dibblah: what case are you using?

[12:39:20]

Dibblah:

Normal ATX case.

[12:39:31]

Dibblah:

I don't care about size – Just power :)

[12:39:37]

quicksilver:

ah

[12:39:49]

quicksilver:

I want something small and elegant to sit on top of a small TV

[12:39:53]

justinh:

mine's going in my silverstone lc02 case

[12:40:10]

justinh:

prolly replace the PSU at some point though

[12:40:38]

justinh:

doesn't look like spiredream have any heatsinks

[12:40:57]

quicksilver:

can't decide if I would want to put an optical drive in or not

[12:41:33]

Dibblah:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/99037

[12:41:43]

Dibblah:

Is what I am using as a heatsink.

[12:42:06]

Dibblah:

Out of stock there, but you get the idea.

[12:42:17]

justinh:

oo ebuyer take paypal too

[12:42:29]

justinh:

jees that's cheap

[12:42:31]

Dibblah:

Also, don't forget that you NEED a 2mm or so shim between the CPU / heatsink.

[12:42:37]

Dibblah:

... And out of stock.

[12:42:38]

justinh:

25dBA.. BS

[12:43:08]

justinh:

though I bet it still runs majorly cool if you undervolt the fan

[12:43:42]

Dibblah:

Fan at minimum speed, it reaches 30degC occasionally.

[12:43:43]

justinh:

I've got loads of room in my case – I could have a much bigger sink

[12:43:55]

quicksilver:

quietpc sell good fan/sink combos

[12:44:03]

quicksilver:

if you have room for a zalman flower they do very well

[12:44:04]

justinh:

how audible is it? the epia's fan was rated at 25dBA & I could hear it

[12:44:22]

jduggan:

lmsensors tells me my cores on my 2ghz dualcore go to 50C i think its lieing

[12:44:25]

quicksilver:

I can't hear the zalman flower over the noise of my hard disks

[12:44:33]

Dibblah:

I don't believe you'll hear it in a case.

[12:44:36]

justinh:

won't have a HDD

[12:44:51]

quicksilver:

then, I can't hear it over the powersuppl fan :)

[12:44:58]

quicksilver:

even though the powersupply does in fact have a "quiet" fan.

[12:45:01]

Dibblah:

jduggan: This is with the finger test as well.

[12:45:17]

Dibblah:

Registers as "barely warm"

[12:45:43]

justinh:

and playing h.264 HD ? ;)

[12:45:50]

jduggan:

maybe my intel heatsink/fan is rubbish

[12:45:54]

Dibblah:

Top PSU consumption (no HD, 1G RAM) is 45w with both cores used.

[12:45:58]

jduggan:

its what came with the cpu

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justinh:

stock HSFs are generally regarded as gash in most circles

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justinh:

for both noise and cooling

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Dibblah:

Just stress testing the CPU and seeing what it gets up to.

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justinh:

whatever it can't be as bad as an athlon 2000xp in that box :P

[12:47:19]

justinh:

89'C playing sdtv

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jduggan:

i cant complain about the noise of the thing – i guess i can about its cooling abilities :)

[12:47:27]

jduggan:

89C ??

[12:47:31]

jduggan:

jesus :)

[12:47:40]

justinh:

with the fan on full it got less hot but man it was loud on a stick

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Dibblah:

Okay. Tops out at 46degC on the coretemp monitor.

[12:47:53]

justinh:

didn't dare leave it on more than a couple of hours at a time

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Dibblah:

Heatsink again barely warm.

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justinh:

46degC won't even warm a cuppa ;)

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Dibblah:

I had to buy a frying pan when I decommissioned my Athlon 800 :(

[12:48:35]

mzb_d800:

can someone help me to understand how to setup multirec with single dvb tuner?

[12:48:41]

Dibblah:

850, even.

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justinh:

and let's face it – they're gonna have much smaller heatsinks in laptops – and they don't exactly melt

[12:48:59]

Dibblah:

mzb_d800: I wouldn't recommend it at the moment.

[12:49:05]

mzb_d800:

too late

[12:49:10]

Dibblah:

Wait until the branch is merged.

[12:49:14]

quicksilver:

justinh: or catch fire

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mzb_d800:

too late

[12:49:17]

quicksilver:

justinh: no, that never happens

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quicksilver:

:P

[12:49:32]

justinh:

Dibblah: that's with a shim too. what did you bond the shim with?

[12:49:41]

quicksilver:

Actually my athlon XP 3200 doesn't run all that hot

[12:49:47]

Dibblah:

Ummm. Heatsink paste. ;)

[12:49:47]

quicksilver:

60 degrees max, IIRC

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quicksilver:

but I don't work it very hard

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justinh:

Dibblah: and just regular metal stuff?

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justinh:

2mm is quite a gap in terms of HSF to CPU gaps

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jduggan:

can i ask why youre using shims, does it fould components without or is there some other reason?

[12:50:26]

jduggan:

foul*

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mzb_d800:

Dibblah: is it the input group definitions that allow the "multi" aspect?

[12:50:34]

Dibblah:

It's probably 1mm or so, thinking about it.

[12:50:48]

Dibblah:

mzb_d800: Are you using the multirec branch?

[12:50:54]

mzb_d800:

ie. recording/viewing two channels on the same transport

[12:51:07]

Dibblah:

jduggan: It's designed to use it's own HSF.

[12:51:08]

mzb_d800:

yes, I've built and installed current multirec

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jduggan:

Dibblah: ok

[12:51:42]

Dibblah:

And the S479 CPU doesn't have a case over the core.

[12:52:04]

Dibblah:

mzb_d800: I haven't used multirec, so I really can't help you much.

[12:52:14]

justinh:

Dibblah: that HSF you mentioned is about 0.45C/W. a zalman flower is about a quarter of that :)

[12:52:15]

mzb_d800:

righto

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Dibblah:

I believe it's just a setting on the card from mythtv-setup.

[12:52:36]

mzb_d800:

let me rephrase ;)

[12:53:12]

mzb_d800:

is there anyone awake who uses (or knows how to use) multirec?

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justinh:

oops about a half that.. better cooling.. or quieter. think I'll waste £25 on one of them

[12:53:43]

Dibblah:

The shim I'm using is 2 "fins" from a thin-fin alu heatsink.

[12:53:57]

Dibblah:

I really should get my mill working :(

[12:54:16]

justinh:

I might just buy some copper stock shim from RS

[12:54:19]

Dibblah:

And just shave down the heatsink base where it conflicts with the socket.

[12:54:25]

justinh:

or grind the HSF

[12:54:29]

Dibblah:

Yeah, that'd probably work better.

[12:54:47]

Dibblah:

I'd recommend against grinding Alu. It's a thankless task.

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Dibblah:

(Too buttery to grind – sticks up the wheel)

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justinh:

file-o-file :)

[12:55:40]

Dibblah:

If you've got a spare day to hand, sure :)

[12:56:23]

justinh:

got plenty cutting discs for my dremelifyer

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Dibblah:

I don't have to say this, but please wear safety glasses. A blind theme designer wouldn't have much fun ;)

[13:00:22]

quicksilver:

a partially blind theme designer might be quite trippy

[13:00:28]

quicksilver:

all blurred and not quite lining up

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Dibblah:

Okay. Tested shutting down / waking up with MCEUSB2. Works.

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Dibblah:

X still running, doing nothing special before suspend, LIRC comes back up just fine after suspending. Myth still responds.

[13:05:25]

** Dibblah should really look at mark spieth's patchset again, I think. **

[13:05:33]

Dibblah:

(multichannel audio)

[13:05:56]

directhex|work:

what kind of multichannel audio?

[13:06:03]

directhex|work:

any interest to those of using spdif?

[13:06:04]

Dibblah:

Analog, mainly.

[13:06:25]

** janneg fears that the ffmpeg sync makes the patchset again unapplyable **

[13:06:30]

Dibblah:

Not if your receiver supports the format you're getting from your source.

[13:08:17]

Dibblah:

Interesting. It's 32w usage @idle in X.

[13:08:44]

Dibblah:

Compared to 27 in text mode.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, i don't know of any multichannel format not supported by my receiver

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directhex|work:

except 5.1 vorbis

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Dibblah:

Mine doesn't do AC3 :((

[13:13:16]

directhex|work:

O_o

[13:13:20]

Hoxzer:

:(

[13:13:26]

directhex|work:

what a large defficiency in an av receiver

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justinh:

let's see if zalman make a 479 cooler then

[13:15:05]

Dibblah:

Well, it is relatively old :)

[13:15:16]

Dibblah:

And only Marantz.

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** justinh hugs his Yamaha receiver **

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directhex|work:

mine does DTS-HD Master Audio

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directhex|work:

for all the stuff i have that uses it ¬_¬

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justinh:

hmm we've got some 478 coolers without fans here

[13:19:22]

justinh:

or there's http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_2602.html

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AL13N_work:

iamlindoro_: hello, did you try the mythvideo plugin?

[13:20:33]

directhex|work:

teh connectorz! http://www.eu.onkyo.com/ir_img/13660760_b9478e0960.jpg

[13:28:49]

** Dibblah must stop thinking computing. **

[13:29:19]

Dibblah:

Thought for a moment they'd misused RJ45 connectors for the antenna wires.

[13:33:39]

justinh:

time to rtfm on the motherboard I'm gonna have soon

[13:34:01]

justinh:

who wants to buy an epia m10k then? ;)

[13:34:16]

justinh:

it'll play SDTV – JUST

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Dibblah:

The manual is surprisingly not too bad.

[13:34:37]

justinh:

only mpeg2, and only then with xvmc :D

[13:34:53]

Dibblah:

Assuming it's the i945GMm-HL.

[13:35:05]

Dibblah:

How these names just roll off the tongue.

[13:35:11]

justinh:

yeah it's that one

[13:35:21]

Dibblah:

It's amazing that the sales droids manage to churn them out.

[13:35:25]

directhex|work:

i used to have an i855GMEm-LFS

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Dibblah:

BTW, the gig port is _fast_.

[13:35:52]

justinh:

is that basically what they stuff in their shite 'mac mini' clone?

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Dibblah:

I've managed 800Mbytes/sec from iperf with it.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, welcome to PCIe, enjoy your stay

[13:37:05]

Dibblah:

Err... 80Mbytes/sec.

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Dibblah:

:)

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justinh:

"Get a fantastic deal on SOCKET 479 COOLER at Maplin". they don't even frickin sell em!

[13:38:20]

** justinh nukes Maplin **

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directhex|work:

justinh, avoid teh maplins!

[13:38:55]

justinh:

if they were the opnly place that sold fire extinguishers & my nuts were on fire....

[13:39:01]

justinh:

I'd still not go

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justinh:

heh that passive cooler from Nexus looked like a good un til saw "cannot be used with aopen motherboards"

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directhex|work:

the i855GMEm-LFS was non-standard, in that it used conventional s478 coolers, whilst most other pentium-m boards need special coolers

[13:41:15]

directhex|work:

dunno if the same applies

[13:41:50]

justinh:

"how does your motherboard look like?"

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justinh:

rofl

[13:42:29]

justinh:

mmm sucky sucky

[13:42:42]

directhex|work:

ten dollah

[13:42:51]

directhex|work:

actually, 20 given the exchange rate

[13:43:18]

Dibblah:

CPU usage is 13% on SD playback with bob.

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justinh:

directhex|work: beats the epia a bit then

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justinh:

er Dibblah I mean

[13:44:10]

Dibblah:

Just a tad :)

[13:44:15]

Dibblah:

Oh. That's one CPU.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, time for an ffmpeg sync, to allow threaded h264 decoding!

[13:45:30]

justinh:

bah the manual only mentions "special lovely Aopen HSF"

[13:46:12]

Dibblah:

Yeah, that's the problem I had.

[13:46:37]

Dibblah:

The vendor doesn't know about the real heatsink required, which is the S478 P4 cooler.

[13:46:38]

djc__:

istr somewhere a setting for a number of seconds to allow a recording to run late or start early, yet cant seem to find it now

[13:47:16]

justinh:

Dibblah: so at worst I'll just have to get a s478 cooler & mod it

[13:47:20]

justinh:

some might even just fit

[13:47:24]

djc__:

and the notes said that this setting would be ignored in cases of potential conflicts

[13:48:16]

djc__:

anyone happen to recall where that is?

[13:49:04]

justinh:

it's in the settings somewhere :P

[13:49:30]

djc__:

is it in the settings under the fe, or in setup?

[13:49:48]

justinh:

dunno, but I know it's in there somewhere

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djc__:

that would at least save me going back and forth

[13:52:24]

justinh:

it's in mythtv-setup I reckon

[13:52:53]

justinh:

oops!

[13:52:59]

justinh:

it's def. in mythfrontend

[13:53:14]

justinh:

tv. general (advanced). go look

[13:53:22]

djc__:

it doesnt seem to be in any of the logical places

[13:53:33]

djc__:

alright

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djc__:

thanks

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directhex|work:

ah, well, yes, "logic"

[13:53:38]

directhex|work:

funny thing, logic

[13:53:39]

justinh:

it seems in a logical place to me!

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justinh:

T vsettings

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justinh:

wooo there's 'Category over record time' too. forgot about that

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directhex|work:

justinh, late/early recording is NOT a frontend setting though!

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justinh:

directhex|work: so?

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justinh:

handy to be able to set it from a frontend

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Dibblah:

Quite a few things that aren't frontend settings are set _globally_ from the frontend.

[13:55:06]

justinh:

as opposed to stuff like hardware/storage where you need to be on the machine that is the backend

[13:55:11]

Dibblah:

No, it's not right. It's just The Way Things Are.

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justinh:

works for me (tm)

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djc__:

ok, i must be off

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justinh:

thanks!

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justinh:

hmmm http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_2619.html

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Dibblah:

Out of stock anyway :(

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justinh:

not in a big hurry

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justinh:

got a couple of 478 coolers I can mangle here anyway

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Dibblah:

Personally, with #4123, I'd be asking if any other patches are applied or if there's any software between Myth and the DVB card.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, softcam?

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Dibblah:

I'd be assuming so, yes.

[14:19:12]

directhex|work:

probably

[14:19:16]

directhex|work:

usually is

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directhex|work:

people keep things they consider dodgy secret, even though it makes it an impossible timesink to help them

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Dibblah:

It's OK, it's *someone else's* time ;(

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iamlindoro_:

al13n_work, hang on, am just getting ready to head for work so I will do so now

[15:00:15]

AL13N_work:

oops

[15:00:18]

AL13N_work:

sorry

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AL13N_work:

i'm about to get home

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AL13N_work:

;-)

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iamlindoro_:

I'll e-mail it

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AL13N_work:

k

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AL13N_work:

thanks

[15:00:51]

AL13N_work:

just quick starting mythvideo

[15:00:53]

AL13N_work:

start logging

[15:01:03]

AL13N_work:

go the folder and see that there are items in the folder

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AL13N_work:

stop logging

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AL13N_work:

that's all i need

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

Mythbox not doing anything at 8 AM so it's a perfect time :)

[15:01:36]

AL13N_work:

thanks a lot!!!

[15:01:39]

AL13N_work:

lol

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AL13N_work:

there should be videoStartupDir in the logs

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AL13N_work:

or VideoStartupDir rather

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iamlindoro_:

I'll grep before I send, no trouble

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justinh:

mmmm PoETS day :)

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** justinh chuckles at UKuntu **

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justinh:

time to head home & walky doggy

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jacob:

Hi, im trying to setup a mythtv box without a video capture card. It's seems mythbackend doesn't like this setup. I really just want to use it as a media player with no tv function. Anyone know if this is possible>

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directhex|work:

jacob, it's possible, but not really the best project for your needs

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iamlindoro:

al13n, you get my logs? Hope it had the info you wanted

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jacob:

directhex, what would you suggest? Id like ot be able to browse photos, music, watch dvds, and play games using emulators

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directhex|work:

freevo. eliza. xbmc

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directhex|work:

hell, for your use case, a ps3, other than the "using emulators" part

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AL13N_work:

iamlindoro: thanks alot, it was captured by my spamfilter

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iamlindoro:

ah, good that I mentioned it then

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iamlindoro:

I noticed the phrase you were looking for was actually in frontend, no backend

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iamlindoro:

er not

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iamlindoro:

'cause I ran backend with v all, browsed video and played, and no dice, but it was there with -v all in frontend

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AL13N_work:

i noticed that as well

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jacob:

thx, ill check those out

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AL13N_work:

thus since frontend is started by root, it shouldn't be any permission problem

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iamlindoro:

on would think

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AL13N_work:

must be something else, i'll see later on

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iamlindoro:

er one

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AL13N_work:

i'll go home now

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iamlindoro:

cool

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AL13N_work:

sorry

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iamlindoro:

good luck!

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AL13N_work:

thanks

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AL13N_work:

see you tonight

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iamlindoro:

seeya

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AL13N_work:

for me tonight

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AL13N_work:

;-)

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acecase:

hello

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acecase:

ls

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xris:

acecase: as for mysql, it depends on how much you really want to push the envelope, so to speak. you could use a distro like knopmyth and never touch mysql itself.

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acecase:

I'll probably be pointed to #mysql but, I'm trying to create my database with "sudo mysql < ./database/mc.sql" and I get "no such file or directory"

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acecase:

should the < be a > maby?

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iamlindoro:

Nope

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iamlindoro:

you sure about that path for mc.sql?

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iamlindoro:

if the database dir is in the directory you are currently in, try as

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H00chster:

mysql -u root -p < mc.sql

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H00chster:

don't need sudo

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acecase:

nope :) I'm using that command streight from a guide. I honestly have no idea what I am doing with it other than creating a database

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acecase:

thanks H00chster

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iamlindoro:

sudo mysql -uroot -p < database/mc.sql

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H00chster:

for you intents and purposes acecase I urge ya to check out the guide on my site.

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iamlindoro:

your problem is just that it can't find mc.sql

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iamlindoro:

figure out whre you have that and run with correct path

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acecase:

H00chster did you get one? sweet. I would have been there if i knew :)

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H00chster:

well you are in my channel on the other server and if you read the topic you might be enlightened heh

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acecase:

lool

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xris:

acecase: how familar are you with pathnames in linux? the path you first listed is a relative path

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xris:

iamlindoro there should be a space after the -u, no?

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acecase:

xris im ok there

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iamlindoro:

xris, That may be... but I think it will take it either way, no?

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H00chster:

hows xris today?

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xris:

iamlindoro: it might.

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iamlindoro:

whoops, guess not

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iamlindoro:

oh wait, yes it will, whew

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iamlindoro:

heh

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xris:

acecase: well, it says file not found, which means you're not in the directory you think you are, then

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acecase:

xris rite the file isn't there. i thought i was creating it which led me to believe it was a command problem

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xris:

no, you're reading from it

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H00chster:

importing it to be exact! :)

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directhex|work:

command < filename means "feed all the content of filename into command"

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directhex|work:

command > filename means "feed all the output from command into filename"

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directhex|work:

command >> filename means "feed all the output from command onto the end of filename"

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directhex|work:

command1 | command2 means "feed all the output from command2 as input into command2"

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gbee:

who last looked at the embedded database?

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iamlindoro:

svn co svn://svn.mythtv.org/trunk/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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iamlindoro:

ought to get you the file in whatever dir you are in

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xris:

gbee: embedding mysql? I think kormoc started looking into it a few weeks ago

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iamlindoro:

then run mysql -u root -p < mc.sql and it should work fine

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acecase:

iamlindoro thank you. sorry, phone :)

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iamlindoro:

np

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gbee:

xris: thanks, I was wondering what problems people were running into, I think GreyFoxx or someone looked into it a few months ago but had trouble

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xris:

gbee: no clue. you can ask kormoc when he logs in. he's supposed to be getting to work earlier these days, so it should be soon

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gbee:

xris: will do, just idle curiousity though, far too busy to get involved in that task yet

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xris:

heh

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Weezey:

when I'm watching something that's in the process of recording, I can't ffwd faster than 3x and the timer always says 0:01. (running SVN)

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Weezey:

is this a bug or something need to be configured since my update?

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gbee:

seek tables missing/broken – might be a bug, but also possible that your DB needs repairing

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djc__:

well it died again.. i think its hardware related.. gotta new mainboard/cpu that im going to try.. sb quieter too

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justinh:

Weezey: time could also be badly wrong. check it

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mirak:

hi

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justinh:

bye

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mirak:

does anyone uses vga -> tv on radeon ?

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mirak:

I am wondering of is it possible to have display on radeonfb on the tv

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mirak:

how/of

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mediabuntu:

how can i fix this http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/908/screenshotmt3.png please

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mediabuntu:

i used gusty gibbon

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mediabuntu:

use*

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Niklas_E:

is there any way to prevent the module saa7134_dvb to be loaded and only load the poal version

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BULLE:

Niklas_E: that is linux distribution dependent

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Niklas_E:

BULLE: ok

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gbee:

google blacklist module

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Niklas_E:

thanks ;)

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bb_:

hey guys,...what does Show OSD button do?

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bb_:

does that show the information screen?

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gbee:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/linuxbbc/

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gbee:

there is a "Show OSD" button?

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bb_:

yeah

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bb_:

its the O button on the keyboard

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bb_:

not zero

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gbee:

You mean "Toggle channel browse mode"?

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gbee:

if you are seeing Show OSD, or the equivalent, then I guess you are using a translation?

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gbee:

a _bad_ translation

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bb_:

maybe so

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bb_:

im using lirconfig.commandir.com

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gbee:

never seen that site before, but O is usually bound to "Toggle channel browse mode" in livetv that allows you to look at what is on various channels by pressing up/down – the OSD will show the channel name, icon and program description

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/osd_browse_mode.png

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htpc-dvbs:

anyone help me

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htpc-dvbs:

i can't get a channel lock

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iamlindoro:

just in myth, or system-wide?

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htpc-dvbs:

myth

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iamlindoro:

You can tune in other apps? Which ones work?

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htpc-dvbs:

i have this 27% |(LMNc) partial lock

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iamlindoro:

no, listen... you said it waqs just myth, so what other apps in your system tune properly?

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iamlindoro:

Need to narrow the problem to myth or your tuner card setup

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htpc-dvbs:

mytheatre

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iamlindoro:

use dvb-tools to create a channels.conf, then, and import it with myth

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iamlindoro:

off to lunch

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htpc-dvbs:

huh

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stefancrs:

Hi, is it ok to ask total noob questions here? I've tried a few searches but haven't found anything related to my issue, I'm trying to install knoppmyth and have never used either linux or mythtv in the past, so I might just be annoying :)

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levander:

Are there instructions on how to set up the Software Encoders for a WinTV PVR 500?

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BockBilbo:

hello

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clever:

spam!

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BockBilbo:

ive just finished a python script to watch tv stream for the go7007 video cards

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BockBilbo:

who? xD

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clever:

you:P(same msg in 2 channels at once)

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BockBilbo:

xD

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BockBilbo:

lol

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BockBilbo:

i actually didnt know if i should talk about it on mythv

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BockBilbo:

as its not related to mythtv development itself

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clever:

yeah alot of people msg the wrong one at first

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BockBilbo:

trye

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BockBilbo:

true

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clever:

could just make a #mythtv-dev for dev work and use #mythtv for help

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stefancrs:

I've just tried installing knoppmyth r5f27 for the first time and I keep getting this error on boot: "INIT: Id "c7" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes"

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kormoc:

stefancrs, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Should_I . . . _question.3F

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htpc-dvbs:

this damn thing driving me nutz

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stefancrs:

kormoc, sorry :) I totally get it

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BockBilbo:

anyay, anyone here with a go7007 tuner that can try my script before releasing it for the community?

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stefancrs:

kormoc, been too long since I was on irc, I just to tell people the same.

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levander:

I'm getting this error message in mythbackend.log: "Unknown video codec" and then on the next line: "Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. ". I think that's why I can't "Watch Live TV".

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acecase:

iamlindoro: thanks again for wayyyy back there. Got caught up in a phone call but I appriciate it.

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kormoc:

levander, your issue is you don't do software encoding with a pvr card

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levander:

kormoc: so, how do i tell that to mythtv?

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stefancrs:

levander: pvr500 has got built in hardware encoders

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kormoc:

levander, you setup the card as a hardware mpeg-2 encoder card

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levander:

kormoc: You do that in mythtv setup, in the "Capture Cards" section?

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kormoc:

stefancrs, you should likely try to talk to cesman about that error.

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kormoc:

levander, yes

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levander:

thanks guys, lemme go try

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stefancrs:

hm, earlier in the boot log I get "FATAL: Error inserting cx88_dvb [path]: No such device"

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stefancrs:

kormoc, ok

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stefancrs:

cesman, awake? :)

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BockBilbo:

well, i gotta go, thanks a lot anyway, bye!

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stefancrs:

I also get "Mounting local filesystems...mount: sysfs already mounted or /sys busy"

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gizmobay:

stefancrs: what kind of card do you have?

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stefancrs:

gizmobay: tv? video?

[19:14:34]

gizmobay:

tv?

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stefancrs:

gizmobay: pvr-150

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stefancrs:

I got the different parts today :)

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gbee:

stefancrs: don't worry about the cx88_dvb error then, knoppmyth just installs all tv card drivers by default so things will work for everyone, but as you don't have a DVB card installed the driver was just warning that it couldn't find the hardware

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gizmobay:

it's not a dvb card so I'm not sure why it's modprobing cx88_dvb

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stefancrs:

gbee: ok, good, then I don't have to research that too much

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levander:

Cool, I'm now watching TV on my PC!!!

[19:17:23]

gbee:

gizmobay: I'm assuming that cesman just forces all the drivers to load rather than relying on them being modprobed automatically – doesn't do any harm

[19:18:05]

levander:

But, I've only got channels 2–13 for some reason. I'm just using analog cable, and when I "full scan" under the channel editor, it just doesn't recognize anything about channel 13. Anyone know why?

[19:18:07]

gizmobay:

yeah true, no harm. it just threw me

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stefancrs:

hm. I also get this "/dev/ttyS0: No such file or directory" anything to care about?

[19:18:12]

gbee:

the sysfs error isn't anything to worry about either, just another warning

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stefancrs:

gbee: ok, good

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gizmobay:

ttyS0 is the serial port

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stefancrs:

gizmobay: I guessed. Didn't know if it was a "real" or just software one though

[19:19:14]

stefancrs:

I know way too little about linux, yet.

[19:19:17]

stefancrs:

It'll come

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gizmobay:

yeah takes awhile

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gbee:

stefancrs: not sure about the ld error on boot, but unless things don't work I'd just ignore it – it's a problem with knoppmyth but probably not a blocker

[19:20:06]

stefancrs:

gbee: I thought mythtv should start?

[19:20:50]

levander:

Where's the mythtv mailing list? That's the best mythtv support forum I've found. But, can't find it again. Think I need to search it for this channel scanning problem.

[19:20:51]

gbee:

heh, I don't use knoppmyth so I'm not sure what is supposed to happen

[19:20:56]

stefancrs:

gbee: the last thing it says in the log (before the Id stuff) is "Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 mythtv tty1"

[19:21:19]

gbee:

but I'd guess if mythfrontend is not starting that the ld problem _is_ a blocker after all

[19:21:37]

gizmobay:

levander: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

[19:21:51]

stefancrs:

gbee: every 5 minutes the monitor starts flashing the log to black and back to log

[19:21:59]

gbee:

levander: link to from the main site, http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo

[19:22:03]

gbee:

bottom of the page

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stefancrs:

gbee: how would one go about trying to start mythtvs frontend manually?

[19:22:27]

stefancrs:

pff, I can find that info myself

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levander:

gizmobay: yeah, thanks, that's it, dunno why they link to that old fasioned archive from mythtv.org and not gossamerthreads

[19:22:28]

gbee:

login and then run mythfrontend

[19:22:43]

stefancrs:

yeah, it was an unnecessary question. sorry

[19:22:47]

gbee:

just type "mythfrontend" at the prompt

[19:23:28]

gbee:

levander: because the gossamerthreads site isn't official

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gizmobay:

it's just nicer for searching

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gbee:

and being a mailing list you still need to subscribe to post

[19:24:05]

gbee:

sure

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stefancrs:

gbeeh

[19:24:55]

stefancrs:

wtf

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stefancrs:

gbee: it would seem the x server isn't running

[19:25:25]

stefancrs:

gbee: any idea why? (mythfrontend says "cannot connect to X server")

[19:25:46]

gizmobay:

what kind of video card do you have?

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gbee:

not good, but run "startx" and see what happens

[19:26:04]

gbee:

then check the /var/log/Xorg* logs

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gbee:

"tail -n100 /var/log/Xorg.0.log" or similar

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stefancrs:

gizmobay: integrated geforce 7050 on Abit AN-M2HD

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stefancrs:

gbee: ok, hold

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gizmobay:

gbee: I wonder if he needs a the nividia drivers

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stefancrs:

gbee: hah, wtf, No devices detected, then, no screens found

[19:27:53]

gbee:

stefancrs: you shouldn't be having this sort of trouble with the latest knoppmyth (or any linux distribution)

[19:28:08]

stefancrs:

well, uhm, I am! :)

[19:30:15]

gizmobay:

probably should run the knoppmyth cd in livecd frontend mode to see if the gui comes up

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stefancrs:

will give it a try

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acecase:

ls

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gbee:

stefancrs: this is where things get tricky, I can talk through some things to try but at the same time I don't want to put off a linux newbie by diving straight into the sort of stuff that you shouldn't ever have to see if things worked as they should have done

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stefancrs:

fwiw, I've been programming for 19 years, but learning totally new stuff takes time :)

[19:33:23]

acecase:

every time I try to rase my "DVB Card Number:" setting to 1, either by clicking the up arrow or pressing the right arrow keyboard key, myth seg faults.

[19:33:52]

gbee:

there are two types of people who have no problems with linux – Grandmas and geeks, but the group in between, the computer literate Windows users who like messing about beneath the surface of the operating system have real trouble adapting to linux since they are so used to Windows

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gizmobay:

grandma uses linux???

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acecase:

gbee I notice too that the more they know about windows the less they like Linux. It's just different.

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acecase:

gizmobay my mother does and she couldn't even tell you what she uses

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gbee:

I've converted almost everyone I know over to linux, because for them computers mean email, word processing and browsing the internet – modern linux distros do that perfectly and with less hassle than Windows

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psymin:

Odd, the more I know about windows the more I like linux.

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acecase:

Linux "just works" for people who do everyday "granny" stuff.

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** cesman knows a lot about Windows, that is why I use Linux **

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acecase:

psymin lol me too

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stefancrs:

that I might end up having, but I'm expecting this (getting my htpc up and running) to take some time :)

[19:35:50]

stefancrs:

atleast I'm amiga os and ms-dos literate too.... :)

[19:35:50]

stefancrs:

(even if it's been a while)

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stefancrs:

cesman :)

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acecase:

is there a config file that I can enter this information to? mythtv-setup keeps dying on me :)

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gizmobay:

what is xvmc?

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gbee:

acecase: no we use the database to store settings

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directhex:

gizmobay, gpu-based mpeg acceleration

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gbee:

acecase: what version of mythtv and what errors, if any is mythtv-setup giving?

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acecase:

gizmobay X-Video Motion Compensation, or XvMC, is a part of The X Window System which allows video programs to offload motion compensation and iDCT (Inverse Discrete Cosine Transform) portions of MPEG-2 decoding to the GPU hardware.

[19:39:05]

gizmobay:

is it suppose to be better?

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acecase:

from the wiki :)

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acecase:

gbee lemmy see :)

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gbee:

too often we hear of problems with mythtv in the user support channels and lists, but never receive bug reports, we aren't mind readers and can't fix problems we haven't been told about

[19:40:27]

acecase:

clear

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acecase:

lol sorry i am here via BitchX over ssh and every time it seg faults it floods this consol :)

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gbee:

nothing more frustrating that reading reviews (for example) listing a catalogue of bugs and errors, which a) haven't been reported to us OR b) have nothing to do with mythtv

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gizmobay:

gbee: you one of the developers?

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acecase:

gbee rite. all systems are not created equal rite.

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gbee:

aye

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gizmobay:

cool, thanks

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gbee:

acecase: there are so many combinations, not just because of hardware, but differences between linux distributions, configurations and usage – impossible for us to find every bug ourselves

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acecase:

gbee I can't remember the exact r # I'm using. It is the one before the last. the message before seg fault is No device tree for cardid 1. I assume I have module issues?

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stefancrs:

gbee: if xorg.conf says "Driver "nv"", does that mean the nvidia drivers got installed?

[19:43:29]

gbee:

especially since we're all volunteers, working without pay in our spare time – we can't afford to setup several machines and configurations to act as a test bed ;)

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acecase:

gbee rite. I have never done any linux dev so I have no idea but I assume it is much more difficult in that sense than windows.

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gizmobay:

Anyone know how to fix the prebuffer pauses on show changes in LiveTV with DVB HDTV?

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gbee:

gizmobay: which version?

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H00chster:

acecase, first thing I would check is dmesg to make sure your modules are loaded for your dvb devices

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gizmobay:

20.2

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gbee:

acecase: acecase

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gbee:

whoops

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acecase:

gbee with the user-base for this project you would think funding for at least a few test boxes would be easy to come by.

[19:44:27]

H00chster:

make sure the frontends attached and you can do an lsmod to see if the modules are there as well

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gizmobay:

I can watch tv no problems it's just when the show changes sometimes I get prebuffer pauses which then cause the frontend to hang

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gbee:

acecase: that error isn't a problem, unless you are using satellite with a rotor/switch?

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acecase:

gbee I am using S with Diseqc

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gbee:

acecase: hah, not true at all

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acecase:

lemmy look into my module issues. brb. Thanks

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gbee:

acecase: ok ... Diseqc isn't my area of expertise, but sounds like a bug then

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H00chster:

once you are sure the frontends are attaching for your devices then check the diseqc config

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acecase:

gbee I would bet it's a problem I caused. I didn't unload the module I was using for VDR before loading the one I built for Myth :)

[19:47:29]

H00chster:

but actually

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H00chster:

that doesn't matter for what you are troubleshooting

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H00chster:

I would be your modules didn't load the frontends

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gbee:

acecase: I'm going to ask you to file a ticket according to the instructions here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 and here http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo

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acecase:

gbee should I make sure it isn't my fault first?

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gbee:

I'll let the folks here help out, since they know more about common support issues than I do

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acecase:

thanks H00chster: you think the problem is that I have the modules from your insdvb and another loaded?

[19:49:17]

acecase:

gbee you just keep givin us the goods :D

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gbee:

acecase: if it segfaults then it's a mythtv bug, you should be able to do all sorts of stupid things and it shouldn't crash

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stefancrs:

heh, for convience, I've hooked the knoppmyth box up to the internet.

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H00chster:

well to be honest for myth for my insdvb I only tell it what to modprobe I don't do much else cuz it is quick and trouble free

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acecase:

gbee ok. I will file a report

[19:49:46]

acecase:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 and here

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H00chster:

sudo modprobe dvb-bt8xx etc

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acecase:

sorry ^ BitchX :)

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gbee:

I'm off to eat

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acecase:

gbee have a good one

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stefancrs:

enjoy

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acecase:

crap I missed him :)

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acecase:

H00chster you would probably know this. It sais I should make sure the problem isn't fixed in the current svn. I'm not using the current so should I still report?

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H00chster:

never reported a bug yet so not sure what to tell ya on that one, you could grab the latest svn again and see if it is the same rev that you got and if not see if it works any better

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H00chster:

here in a min I will grab the latest svn and compile it and you can tell me what you are trying to do

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acecase:

H00chster do you use the same modules that are loaded with your (or Cym's?) insdvb.sh scripts when you run Myth?

[19:55:41]

acecase:

H00chster don't put yourself out. I may have to leave at any moment. Thanks though

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stefancrs:

hm, ok, dumbest question so far

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acecase:

stefancrs I bet I can top it :)

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stefancrs:

how do I check / make sure my ip settings work and if not how do I change them?

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H00chster:

I don't use nexus anymore but still the same would go, but only modules I load are dvb-bt8xx and dvb-usb-gp8psk

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stefancrs:

how do I check that knoppmyth even installed my ethernet device?

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acecase:

stefancrs ping?

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iamlindoro:

stefancrs, ifconfig

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stefancrs:

acecase: tried pinging my router, "network is unreachable"

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acecase:

H00chster ok then I assume it is a Myth bug

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acecase:

stefancrs wireless or lan?

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: uhm, it says it's a local loopback

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iamlindoro:

then your eth0 isn't set up

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stefancrs:

acecasela

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stefancrs:

wtf

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stefancrs:

acecase: lan

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: damn

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acecase:

ifconfig eth0 (prolly) up

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acecase:

ifconfig eth? up

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H00chster:

so acecase what exactly are you doing to make it segfault

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acecase:

then dhcpcd or dhclient eth?

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stefancrs:

ok, gimme a mo

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iamlindoro:

acecase, there is probably a simpler way to get your ethernet set up through gdm, but I don't know knoppmyth

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iamlindoro:

er stefancrs, sorry

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acecase:

H00chster it is 100% reproduceable. I am setting up my source and I chose the DVB TC.... and try to set card number up and seg fault

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stefancrs:

it's doing stuff atleast (dhclient)

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stefancrs:

broadcasts

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acecase:

stefancrs it shouldn't take long if you have dhcp enabled

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stefancrs:

the router does...

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stefancrs:

wtf, didn't work

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stefancrs:

"No DHCPOFFERS recieved"

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iamlindoro:

stefancrs, how many eth devices you have?

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stefancrs:

how do I check that?

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acecase:

when you do ifconfig eth0 up then ifconfig do you see the card?

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stefancrs:

ah

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acecase:

sorry iamlindoro :

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stefancrs:

I get eth0 and lo

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iamlindoro:

you look at the back of the case and tell me how many ethernet devices you have ;)

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stefancrs:

lol, one

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iamlindoro:

Ah, well that's promising I guess... I just don't know knoppix so I will defer to anyone else that does... there is probably a simple way to get it set up graphically, though

[20:02:32]

acecase:

H00chster: it will segfault if I try to increase from the default 0 for the card in any way. either by pressing right arrow key or clicking the up arrow.

[20:03:05]

acecase:

brb

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro, not for me, there isn't :) haven't gotten X working

[20:03:19]

iamlindoro:

yikes, what graphics card?

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stefancrs:

integrated gf7050

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acecase:

H00chster dvbloopback the module I need loaded?

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H00chster:

dunno on that one but you def need your dvb drivers loaded first

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iamlindoro:

stefancrs, sounds like knoppmyth may not be the distro for you

[20:04:29]

iamlindoro:

unless you're wedded to it, you might try something Ubuntu based

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H00chster:

so when you say source do you mean the cards? cuz source is something else after you setup your cards

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acecase:

H00chster dvb drivers are loaded and working with VDR. VDR is killed

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro, ok, well, it should work on this setup afaik :/

[20:04:53]

stefancrs:

iamlindoro: and burning a new iso is a pita :)

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H00chster:

I am compiling 14794 right now

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stefancrs:

(have to move the burner over to the other pc again)

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H00chster:

in a sec will go into setup and try and duplicate your error

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acecase:

H00chster "DVB Card Number:" under "Capture card setup"

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iamlindoro:

stefancrs, you gotta do what you gotta do... just beware that point of more wasted time fixing than having it "just work."

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H00chster:

k that is diff than source heh

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H00chster:

what I thought I will try in a moment

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acecase:

:)

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: yes and no, I need to learn stuff too

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stefancrs:

anyway, it seems I could need to install different nvidia drivers

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stefancrs:

which I need internet connectivity to do :)

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H00chster:

running linux without internet heh that has to be rough

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stefancrs:

:)

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acecase:

just checked out rev 14794. that the latest? dunno if I have official svn :)

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iamlindoro:

definitely bizarro to have any of the set-it-and-forget-it distros with a screwed up eth0 setup

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stefancrs:

I got internet, I just haven't gotten it to work on the knoppmyth box

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: I didn't have anything connected to eth0 during install, could that be an issue? (it really shouldn't imho, but what do I know?)

[20:09:47]

iamlindoro:

you're right, it really shouldn't

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H00chster:

svn changes constantly acecase but as of current yes 14794 is the latest

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stefancrs:

ok, how do I set ip and ip mask?

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htpc-dvbs:

this damn mythtv driving me nutz

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stefancrs:

just to see if I can reach the router

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H00chster:

what ver of linux u using htpc-dvbs

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acecase:

H00chster ok ty

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htpc-dvbs:

dreamlinux

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H00chster:

dreamlinux is debian based right?

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iamlindoro:

can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces

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htpc-dvbs:

yes

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H00chster:

what iamlindoro just said

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H00chster:

that is where you setup your ip and such

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: me?

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stefancrs:

ah

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

worst comes to worst you can just set a static IP in your range there

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iamlindoro:

well, outside your DHCP range, that is, but in your network

[20:11:53]

H00chster:

running mythtv-setup now acecase

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htpc-dvbs:

hoochster why u ask

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stefancrs:

iamlindro: it says "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"

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H00chster:

cuz diff linux distros setup their networking differently

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H00chster:

I am more fluent with debian heh

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stefancrs:

iamlindro: that's all there is in it (except for comments)

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iamlindoro:

ruh roh

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H00chster:

no problems here acecase

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htpc-dvbs:

well i can't get my mythtv to lock on channels

[20:12:49]

iamlindoro:

well, try a dmesg |grep eth and pastebin that

[20:13:06]

stefancrs:

iamlindoro: sorry for asking, but what is pastebin?

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H00chster:

I can set it to DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) and can change the id to all of my cards

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iamlindoro:

paste the output at pastebin.ca

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iamlindoro:

then ok it, and it will give you a link

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iamlindoro:

and paste that here

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acecase:

H00chster I'm repatching the new source now. I'll see if it still does it.

[20:13:43]

htpc-dvbs:

dvblb_fake_ioctl interrupted: 2147774277

[20:13:44]

htpc-dvbs:

dvblb_fake_ioctl failed: 1

[20:13:44]

htpc-dvbs:

dvbloopback: Got wrong response (2147774277 != 1)

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: but I can't copy-paste stuff from the knoppmyth box :)

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htpc-dvbs:

what does that mean

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acecase:

H00chster I have such a common setup that it's bound to be somthing I did wrong :)

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iamlindoro:

ok, fair enough

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iamlindoro:

how much output you get there from that dmesg?

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htpc-dvbs:

alot

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iamlindoro:

anything with a line that starts like eth0: and some text/a module name?

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: no....

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stefancrs:

kabtoff

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H00chster:

well actually though I do get a segfault backing out of the menu

[20:15:05]

stefancrs:

oops

[20:15:05]

iamlindoro:

or even, something like, r8169: eth0: link down

[20:15:10]

stefancrs:

iamlindoro: nope

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acecase:

H00chster hmm :)

[20:15:40]

H00chster:

so maybe send in that ticket afterall

[20:15:41]

iamlindoro:

ooooook, how about lspci |grep net

[20:15:53]

stefancrs:

iamlindoro: I get forcedeth.se: REverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.56. [linefeed] eth1394 blabla (I bet you don't care about firewire)"

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iamlindoro:

You know what the chip is on your network card, perchance?

[20:16:10]

iamlindoro:

that's your 1394, so not relevant here

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acecase:

brb

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro, hence the paranthesis :) anyway, lspci gives "00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 054c (rev a2)"

[20:17:20]

iamlindoro:

sounds like maybe your network card is unsupported

[20:17:21]

H00chster:

basically acecase ANYTIME I hit ESC to go back to the menu from wherever I am at, it segfaults

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stefancrs:

wtf

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iamlindoro:

in which cas you need to get yourslf a PCI one that works ok, or you'll be sunk

[20:17:53]

stefancrs:

haven't had one of those in eons :)

[20:18:09]

iamlindoro:

alas, unknown device kinda says it all

[20:18:24]

iamlindoro:

may b supported in another distro, though

[20:18:39]

iamlindoro:

so it may still be worth grabbing yourself a steaming cup o' Ubuntu

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H00chster:

honestly it seems everytime it writes to the db in setup it segfaults heh

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: mythbuntu or mythdora then...

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iamlindoro:

Well, depends on you.. any experience with Fedora or Ubuntu?

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stefancrs:

none whatsoever with any linux dist

[20:21:07]

stefancrs:

part of the problem, no? :)

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iamlindoro:

Mythbuntu, then, in my opinion

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stefancrs:

k. there's no comparison chart between the three btw?

[20:21:45]

iamlindoro:

No, not raell

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iamlindoro:

r really

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stefancrs:

k

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stefancrs:

but if the interface is supported in another distro, could I get support for it in my current install without having to recompile the kernel or whatever?

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iamlindoro:

You *could* get support for it if the source code exists, but I wouldn't rcommend it to someone jumping into linux for the first time

[20:23:29]

stefancrs:

ok

[20:23:31]

iamlindoro:

and Ubuntu tends to have the best hardware support *in my experience*

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stefancrs:

is there a way to find out if it supports this motherboard properly?

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iamlindoro:

stefan, this board doesn't have wireless, does it?

[20:25:31]

iamlindoro:

wired only, right?

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stefancrs:

yup

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stefancrs:

trying to boot the cd as a frontend now, just for good measure

[20:27:45]

stefancrs:

heh, didn't manage to talk to the dhcp server, of course

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stefancrs:

ok, it does the same thing as the install. flashes the screen and whatnot. oh, I get a gui!

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stefancrs:

and the mouse works

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stefancrs:

and a penguin is watching tele

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stefancrs:

:)

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iamlindoro:

probably running in regular vesa mode

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iamlindoro:

as it should

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iamlindoro:

looks like the eth card is unsupported across the board, though... get a $10 gig e card and you'll be ok

[20:30:07]

iamlindoro:

Anything from linksys, belkin, etc., should work just fine

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stefancrs:

but then I'll be using up my last pci slot (only got 2) for that

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stefancrs:

if it's possible to use the integrated I want to :)

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iamlindoro:

It's not

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gizmobay:

Anyone here have a usb-i=uirt?

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stefancrs:

ok

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gizmobay:

usb-uirt?

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: I don't want to use up half the pci slots for ethernet. would I have to get another motherboard instead?

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iamlindoro:

uhhh, well, is there a reason you want those pci slots to be reserved?

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stefancrs:

yeah, adding dvb. I went with just the pvr-150 to use that while I get things going

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stefancrs:

I want more tuners than that

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iamlindoro:

I mean, if they're empty anyway... Seems like buying another motherboard is throwing the baby out with the bathwater

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iamlindoro:

stefancrs, where do you live?

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stefancrs:

gothenburg, sweden

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stefancrs:

why?

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iamlindoro:

because if you lived in US I would suggest HDHomeRun, the network ATSC capture

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stefancrs:

ah

[20:36:08]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, if you need more than 2 PCI slots, then I suppose you would need another motherboard, or to do your DVB capture with a USB device

[20:36:23]

stefancrs:

I only need two if I can use integrated ethernet :)

[20:36:28]

iamlindoro:

ie WinTV nova-t USB blah blah blah

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stefancrs:

which I expected to :/

[20:36:33]

iamlindoro:

well, ya can't

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stefancrs:

obviously

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iamlindoro:

so, you'll have to make that call on your own

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iamlindoro:

This is why MiniATX is a bitch goddess and I only buy full ATX :)

[20:38:44]

iamlindoro:

All my myth systems are Abit P35-E, I love them... tons of stuff, all supported, on board, plenty of slots, optical audio, hardware SATA raid, etc

[20:39:31]

iamlindoro:

All for around $100 US

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stefancrs:

I wanted one that I could fit in the NSK2480

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stefancrs:

anyway, I obviously made the wrong choice and right now I'm very bitter :)

[20:40:52]

stefancrs:

been working on getting the right setup for about 8 months

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iamlindoro:

yeesh, good luck, only supports microatx

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stefancrs:

doing research, asking on forums if the choices were good etc

[20:41:24]

iamlindoro:

I guess you can just get another microatx mobo with supported etherenet

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stefancrs:

yeah, well, how was I supposed to know that microatx was bad for linux? :)

[20:41:34]

iamlindoro:

It's not, I just like the expandability

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iamlindoro:

nothing wrong with it if you don't need to fit much in it

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stefancrs:

how do I find out if the ethernet is supported?

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iamlindoro:

find out the chipset of the etherenet, then google that against your distro (or, in the case of myth-specific distros, against their parent distro)

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stefancrs:

k, thanks

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iamlindoro:

you are very close, should be a relatively cheap fix

[20:43:13]

iamlindoro:

if you are in doubt, get an intel brand-name board and I can virtually guarantee that everything will work

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stefancrs:

not that many mb's with hdmi out

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gizmobay:

stefancrs: you getting internet to work?

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stefancrs:

no

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stefancrs:

seems i need a new ethernet device

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gizmobay:

you got a terminal window up

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stefancrs:

you mean the regular prompt?

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gizmobay:

yeah

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stefancrs:

yeah, that I did :)

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gizmobay:

you root?

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iamlindoro:

gizmo, looks like his ethernet chipset is unsupported

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gizmobay:

oh, that stinks

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro, would the nforce 630a be the ethernet chipset?

[20:45:18]

iamlindoro:

well, that's the board chipset... is this a brand brand new motherboard?

[20:45:37]

iamlindoro:

I can't virtually guarantee that it will *soon* be supported, but it seems it's a new revision that it doesn't recognize

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stefancrs:

it's newish, but I've seen people use it in linux based htpc's

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gizmobay:

what happens when you do a #ifup eth0

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iamlindoro:

and a google of the lspci output seems to confirm that

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stefancrs:

oh

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay, he has no eth messages in dmesg, so looks like the device node hasn't even been created

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iamlindoro:

and lspci shows unknown device on his ethernet chipset

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iamlindoro:

stefan, that's why I ask about its newness, sometimes a new revision of an existing chip will fail too

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gizmobay:

what does it show when he does a ifconfig

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro ah

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iamlindoro:

lo only

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: well, I got the hardware today

[20:48:14]

stefancrs:

iamlindoro: don't know how to check manufacture date :)

[20:48:19]

iamlindoro:

nor I :)

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gizmobay:

hmm that's a bummer

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gizmobay:

which chipset is he using?

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stefancrs:

nforce 630a

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stefancrs:

if you meant motherboard

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djc__:

onboard Ir port on a mobo, do I want ASKIR mode or IrDA mode in the CMOS?

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iamlindoro:

nforce ethernet 054c (rev a2)

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stefancrs:

ah

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iamlindoro:

I am hunting for another board for you :)

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iamlindoro:

Found one that fits the bill and would be well supported, but it's an intel graphics chipset and maybe you want the nvidia

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azzeddine:

hello

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stefancrs:

afaik there are no nvidia linux drivers that can take advantage of the hw video support?

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stefancrs:

(as in video decoding etc)

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iamlindoro:

you mean h.264 decode?

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iamlindoro:

not yet

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stefancrs:

or mpeg2

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iamlindoro:

mpeg2 has been supported for a long time

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stefancrs:

ah ol

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stefancrs:

ok

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iamlindoro:

XvMC

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stefancrs:

sorry

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stefancrs:

oh, that's that?

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iamlindoro:

np

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stefancrs:

well there you go

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iamlindoro:

XvMC is the means of getting the vid card to hardware decode MP2

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stefancrs:

I went with the 7050 because it, in hardware, has h.264 hd support

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iamlindoro:

i think it'll be supported eventually, just not right this second

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stefancrs:

and if I can't get linux to work I'll failback to windows and mediaportal, and then, or in the linux future, I could use the 7050 properly

[20:54:16]

stefancrs:

that's how I thought when getting this mobo atleast. plus the hdmi, ethernet and audio

[20:54:20]

gizmobay:

his ethernet card would probably work with a new kernel

[20:54:32]

psymin:

doh radeons don't support XvMC? I wonder if that will change with ATIs change of heart (read: ownership)

[20:54:51]

stefancrs:

psymin: might take a while before that bears fruit, no?

[20:54:53]

iamlindoro:

I don't think so right now, but I don't know about the just-released drivers

[20:55:00]

** psymin shrugs. **

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azzeddine:

i just installed mythtv-setup in PCLinuxOS but i don't now whois mythtv-backend ?

[20:55:17]

iamlindoro:

stefancrs, they just released new drivers this last week under the new regime that are supposed to be approaching OK

[20:55:26]

stefancrs:

iamlindoro: ati?

[20:55:29]

iamlindoro:

yes

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stefancrs:

k

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kormoc:

psymin, as of april, ATI wasn't going to support myth at all, http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.as . . . tionID=26907

[20:55:37]

iamlindoro:

I still wouldn't touch it myself :)

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stefancrs:

hehe

[20:56:06]

stefancrs:

iamlindoro.

[20:56:07]

stefancrs:

wtf

[20:56:16]

stefancrs:

not used to gf's laptop keyboard

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: what did you search for when googling this ethernet rev?

[20:56:49]

iamlindoro:

just that string

[20:57:06]

gizmobay:

nforce 054c

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iamlindoro:

w/ ethernet

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psymin:

kormoc, That article also lists Compiz .. which I thought was one of the things that likes the newer driver?

[20:57:42]

stefancrs:

ok

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iamlindoro:

stefancrs, it may be as simple as having whatever driver covers nforce ethernet update with new device ID, but that's not a "today" fix

[21:01:42]

azzeddine:

hello

[21:01:59]

azzeddine:

can you help me please

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stefancrs:

iamlindoro: hm ok. it seems however the mobo eth has worked in gentoo for others? back in july: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4145165.html#4145165

[21:02:17]

iamlindoro:

yikes, looks like nvidia last released a proprietary nforce driver in 2003 :)

[21:02:23]

stefancrs:

haha

[21:03:09]

iamlindoro:

you might try a modprobe forcedeth and see what happens

[21:03:47]

iamlindoro:

then ls /dev/eth* and see if anything comes up, also try dmesg and look at the end of that

[21:04:28]

stefancrs:

module forcedeth not found

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iamlindoro:

dunno anything about that driver, so you may be on your own on that one

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stefancrs:

what driver? :)

[21:06:20]

iamlindoro:

forcedeth

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iamlindoro:

reverse engineered nforce ethernet driver

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stefancrs:

ah

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stefancrs:

well, seems I didn't have it anyway :)

[21:07:32]

iamlindoro:

If it's really that critical that you keep that PCI slot open, you might even look into finding a supported USB ethernet card, it's bound to be less painful in the short term

[21:08:35]

stefancrs:

not sure how well that would work, physically

[21:08:46]

stefancrs:

or, well, I could use an extension chord

[21:09:39]

iamlindoro:

It would just be a little dongle, not sure why that would be a problem

[21:10:21]

stefancrs:

there will be quite little space behind the case

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iamlindoro:

We're talking about a few centimeters square

[21:10:55]

iamlindoro:

If you can run cables out the back, you have room

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stefancrs:

k

[21:12:44]

iamlindoro:

stefancrs: http://www.pricerunner.se/pl/117-472531/Naetv . . . ink+dub-e100

[21:12:54]

iamlindoro:

Supported in linux

[21:13:13]

iamlindoro:

though I have no idea what 275 Kronor is :)

[21:13:38]

stefancrs:

hehe, about $40

[21:14:06]

stefancrs:

but wtf. that one was huge. not the actual connector, but the dongle :)

[21:14:32]

htpc-dvbs:

LAMc means can not decrypt channel??

[21:15:19]

iamlindoro:

that's like 2x3 inches

[21:15:31]

stefancrs:

that's what I'm saying

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stefancrs:

:)

[21:15:37]

iamlindoro:

sheesh, you are really being a tough customer here, I am trying to help you make it work

[21:15:46]

stefancrs:

I really appreciate it

[21:15:57]

stefancrs:

and I could probably hide such a dongle somewhere behind the case

[21:16:25]

stefancrs:

sorry, I just got a bit bitter about the mobo not being supported since I had spent so much time asking around etc. shouldn't take it out on you

[21:16:48]

stefancrs:

it does however seem it's supported in newer kernels, or am I getting this wrong?

[21:17:45]

iamlindoro:

Well, it seems you might be able to make it work on forcedeth, but getting a new kernel for someone with no linux experience is in no way a walk in the park

[21:18:28]

stefancrs:

oh, I thought that maybe you could download newer ones

[21:18:34]

stefancrs:

but if you have to roll your own,then no

[21:18:35]

iamlindoro:

You compile newer ones

[21:18:58]

stefancrs:

that seems a bit tricky, yes.

[21:19:10]

iamlindoro:

trickier than hiding a USB dongle, anyway

[21:19:16]

stefancrs:

hehe

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stefancrs:

it just disturbs me that I'd have to get something I "already have"

[21:20:02]

iamlindoro:

well, welcome to linux... sometimes things aren't supported. :)

[21:20:11]

stefancrs:

thanks :)

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stefancrs:

and I know that :)

[21:20:19]

iamlindoro:

Any of the following USB etherny dvices will work: ASIX 88172,

[21:20:19]

iamlindoro:

ATEN UC210T,

[21:20:19]

iamlindoro:

D-Link DUB-E100,

[21:20:19]

iamlindoro:

Hawking UF200,

[21:20:19]

iamlindoro:

Linksys USB200M,

[21:20:19]

iamlindoro:

Netgear FA120,

[21:20:21]

iamlindoro:

Intellinet,

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iamlindoro:

ST Lab USB Ethernet,

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iamlindoro:

TrendNet TU2-ET100,

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stefancrs:

but, even then, how do I know that I will get the graphics to work?

[21:21:24]

iamlindoro:

graphics is asy, nvidia driver works quite well

[21:21:28]

iamlindoro:

er easy

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stefancrs:

but it doesn't work now, here

[21:21:35]

stefancrs:

?

[21:21:57]

stefancrs:

as far as I can tell, it is installed and used?

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iamlindoro:

that's bcaus you don't have the proprietary nvidia driver, which is easy to get once you have internet

[21:22:03]

stefancrs:

or, well, atleast xorg.conf is set up to use it

[21:22:12]

stefancrs:

ah, it's not included in the dist

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stefancrs:

ok

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iamlindoro:

hey, listen, I am not going to sit all day convincing you to use myth, your hardware, other hardware, to tuck away a USB device, or whatever. Do what you like

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iamlindoro:

sheesh

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stefancrs:

sorry, thank you again, you've been most helpful. I'll leave now :)

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** iamlindoro stabs himself in the eye with a pen. **

[21:23:51]

iamlindoro:

Just because I love the pain.

[21:24:38]

xris:

try a spoon next time. preferably a wooden one. much more pain. :)

[21:25:08]

iamlindoro:

Sounds good... only one more chance at it, what with the two eyes and all

[21:25:55]

iamlindoro:

"My ethernet card isn't supported, MythTv is a f'in POS!"

[21:25:57]

iamlindoro:

ARGH

[21:29:15]

** iamlindoro stops channeling juski. Deep breath, count to ten... **

[21:29:53]

mkrufky:

who'd de boom king?

[21:29:56]

mkrufky:

i'm de boom king

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** mkrufky watches Flight of the Conchords @ work **

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mkrufky:

...yawn

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psymin:

boom

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mkrufky:

:-)

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AL13N:

iamlindoro: i got it working

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iamlindoro:

sweet! Were the logs of any use?

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AL13N:

there was a symlinked loop inside the path

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AL13N:

well, sort of

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AL13N:

to determine that there was nothing wrong with the program

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AL13N:

;-)

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CCB0x45:

hey, has anyone gotten mythstreamtv to work on ubuntu?

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iamlindoro:

that's great, I'm glad you got it worked out

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iamlindoro:

My task-o-the-week is getting transcode of blu-ray rips working... Finally appear to have it right today, and let me tell you, being able to play BBCl's Planet Earth on my mythbox in HD is the best. Thing. Ever.

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iamlindoro:

Just takes forver to transcode, even on my quad

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CCB0x45:

how long?

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CCB0x45:

you have a blu-ray drive in your mythtv box?

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iamlindoro:

CCB0x45, sorry, got caught up with work

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iamlindoro:

Well, I transcoded 102 minutes at 1080i to 540p in right about 8 hours... which, actually, isn't THAT bad... I am ripping/removing DRM on a windows box with AnyDVD HD, then processing on the quad

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iamlindoro:

with ffmpeg patched to handle E-AC3 and MLP

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iamlindoro:

The video was the easy part, it's the audio that's been tough :)

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CCB0x45:

ah

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CCB0x45:

crazy

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CCB0x45:

how much was the drive/

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CCB0x45:

?

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iamlindoro:

$400 as I recall, I bought it some time ago

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iamlindoro:

Based on what I'm seeing, I think it'll be a good while before something like libdvdcss exists for blu-ray and works well... the code is all there now, just not stitched together... but I don't care because I prefer to rip, transcode, and have it in MythVideo

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CCB0x45:

ah

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CCB0x45:

what distro are you running?

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iamlindoro:

Ubuntu

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iamlindoro:

Although what I do would work fine on any distro

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Dibblah:

Anyone had any luck on 2.6.24-RC1 and LIRC?

[22:23:38]

mikeones:

Dibblah: is 2.6.24 better than 2.6.23 for you?

[22:23:50]

Dibblah:

No.

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mikeones:

2.6.23 always broke my audio

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Dibblah:

And yes, I'm about to go down that route :)

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Dibblah:

(Back to 2.6.23)

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mikeones:

I have gone back to 2.6.22

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AL13N:

why does myth still use DPMS and blank the screen even when i disabled DPMS on the xorg.conf file

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directhex:

blame gnome-screensaver, generally

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directhex:

though disabling dpms is surprisingly annoying

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AL13N:

?

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AL13N:

directhex: i don't have any screensaver

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AL13N:

i don't use any dm

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AL13N:

just 'startx mythwelcome'

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AL13N:

or actually /usr/bin/mythwelcome

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AL13N:

since that is used instead of a dm or wm

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AL13N:

i'm also trying to make a dm script, but when i start it, it starts on my desktop through SSH X11 forwarding :-/

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rejeep:

Hi! Should I be able to use MythTV without the TV functionallity? It takes a while to get the video card so I thought I'd try the music function until I get it, but I cant get it to start. I get this http://pastebin.com/m3c213591 when I run "mythfrontend". I have been following this guide: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

[22:43:41]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like your database is hosed

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iamlindoro:

mysql -u root -p

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iamlindoro:

DROP mythconverg;

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iamlindoro:

quit

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iamlindoro:

then get the mc.sql from svn and run:

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iamlindoro:

mysql -u root -p < mc.sql

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iamlindoro:

in the same directory as mc.sql

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rejeep:

iamlindoro, Ok, thanks! I'll try

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rooaus:

rejeep: I use my laptop all the time without tuner card, works fine.

[22:46:24]

rejeep:

rooaus, Great! =)

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iamlindoro:

I built a mythtv box for my parents and they used it very happily for a year without any TV functionality... only added that this last month, actually

[22:47:24]

rooaus:

rejeep: How did you install myth?

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rejeep:

rooaus, Through portage

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rejeep:

Where can I find the SVN url?

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rooaus:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ and use the "Browse" link at the top.

[22:49:39]

rejeep:

Thanks!

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iamlindoro:

And it's in trunk -> Mythtv -> database

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iamlindoro:

Click on mc.sql, then at the bottom, download in other formats plain text

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rejeep:

Yes, I have done "mysql -u root -p < mc.sql" noe!

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rejeep:

*now

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iamlindoro:

ok, you should have a working db

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rejeep:

Ok, should I do a setup again now?

[22:53:47]

iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup, that isw

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rejeep:

done, Do I need to change anything in "General", "Capture cards", etc...?

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iamlindoro:

I would go through at least part one, General

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rejeep:

o

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rejeep:

*ok

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iamlindoro:

otherwise, you shouldn't need to do anything else if you have no capture cards

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iamlindoro:

then start mythbackend -d

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iamlindoro:

then mythfrontend should work ok

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rejeep:

Gentoo has an init script for mythbackend. If that's started, is that the same thing as mythbackend -d?

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iamlindoro:

it probably is, but you should run it at command line until you know it works

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rejeep:

"Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting." Maybe iptables

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iamlindoro:

maybe

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rejeep:

Hmm... same after "iptables -F"

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iamlindoro:

did you put proper ip addess in for backend in setup?

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rejeep:

The backend is the same as frontend so 127.0.0.1 should be right, right?

[23:01:13]

rejeep:

same machine

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iamlindoro:

should be, assuming you have hosts set up properly... if you have a real ip address I would put that instead

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iamlindoro:

ie 192.168.0.99 in my case

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rejeep:

Ok, can I just enter mythtv-setup again?

[23:02:51]

iamlindoro:

yes

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rejeep:

Ahh... It seemd like "mythbackend -d" didn't like that the init script was running. Trying mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

ah

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iamlindoro:

that's because you can only run one instance of mythbackend

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rejeep:

And we are up and running! =)

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rejeep:

Sweet

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rejeep:

Thanks alot for the great help!!!

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iamlindoro:

np

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artus:

Good evening

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artus:

one small question

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artus:

how do you import files you exported with nuvexport (the nuv-files plus .sql)

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Dibblah:

Heh. Well, that was an interesting learning experience.

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Dibblah:

I _think_ I may have LIRC compiling with 2.6.24.

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Dibblah:

(Thanks to Linus's mail)

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Aval0n-:

!seen |torg|

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MythLogBot:

|torg| was last seen 7 minutes 21 seconds ago

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Dibblah:

!seen honest_politician

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MythLogBot:

honest_politician has not been seen here

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Aval0n-:

dayam

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Aval0n-:

how do you start myth transcoder?

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Outlier:

Anybody had much experience with mdadm ? I keep getting superblock not found errors about the 2nd boot after I think it's all set up.

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Outlier:

I'm about to decide it's a hardware problem on the motherboard, unless somebody has a better idea.

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mzb_d800:

Outlier: blaming the hardware is a cop-out ;P

[23:32:19]

Outlier:

Believe me, I know that.

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mzb_d800:

so how have you set it up?

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Outlier:

Well, last time it was raid 5 on a set of 4 sata disks. Each with one large partition set to FD.

[23:33:55]

Outlier:

Moved /home onto it, worked fine through a re-boot. Failed the next time – no superblock.

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mzb_d800:

is this data, or the whole system (ie. inc root)

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mzb_d800:

ah, k

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Outlier:

Just /home

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mzb_d800:

so how about, for starters, you mount the partition somewhere "non-critical"

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mzb_d800:

so that you can login, etc, even if the array dies

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mzb_d800:

eg: /mnt/myraid

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mzb_d800:

then, as you get things going, if you want a slice of raid goodness in /home do a bind mount

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Outlier:

hmm – not familiar with 'bind mount'.

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mzb_d800:

eg: mkdir -p /mnt/myraid/mystuff /home/myuser/mystuff; mount -o bind /mnt/myraid/mystuff /home/myuser/mystuff

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mzb_d800:

it's like a link, but smarter

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Outlier:

I'll read up on it.

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mzb_d800:

right, so using that method, you will still have the ability to use your raid (almost) as intended

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mzb_d800:

and

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Outlier:

What I've been doing was use find and cpio to move /home over to the raid; initially mounting to /newhome, then shifting it.

[23:38:36]

mzb_d800:

still be able to login and diagnose if it fails

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mzb_d800:

no, use rsync -a

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Outlier:

sounds pretty good

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Outlier:

why?

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mzb_d800:

I can't speak for cpio, but afaik rsync is one of the only methods that perfectly copies everything

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mzb_d800:

+ it's fast

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Outlier:

Fair enough.

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mzb_d800:

eg: links

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mzb_d800:

have you smart-tested all the drives?

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mzb_d800:

(or at least checked the smart log?_

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Outlier:

I like find / cpio because it correctly copies things like /proc/* and so forth (not that that was relevant here).

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clever:

my current root drive seems painfully slow

[23:41:46]

clever:

stuff like package installing takes forever(relative to other pc's with slower cpu's)

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mzb_d800:

Outlier: are you sure the drives are ok? got smartctl installed?

[23:42:50]

Outlier:

mzb_d800: Nope – that's embarassing. Thanks for the reminder.

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mzb_d800:

right, hint #1, if you find errors, just dd zeroes into the bad sectors

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mzb_d800:

then use smart-tools to schedule regular testing (and email if more errors are found)

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** clever installs smartmontools **

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mzb_d800:

next, is the raid setup itself

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Outlier:

mzb_d800: Thanks – but I'll say I still suspect the mobo. I've tried different hard drives, and it does the same thing. Failure after 2–3 reboots.

[23:44:51]

eugo:

anyone here work with xmltv?

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mzb_d800:

what other drives are you using? (ie. for root)

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clever:

SMART Disabled. Use option -s with argument 'on' to enable it.

[23:45:40]

clever:

ugh

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clever:

smart is disabled on ALL my drives

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Outlier:

mzb_d800: A single 120GB old WD Jumbo. Partitioned into /boot, swap & root.

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clever:

does the mobo/bios need to support it or only the OS/drive?

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mzb_d800:

clever: it's a drive-specific function

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

any harm in trying to turn it on with a drive that lacks it?

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mzb_d800:

afaik it works without even being plugged into a computer ;)

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mzb_d800:

I doubt you'd have a drive so old ;P

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clever:

i have a 40mb drive somewhere:P

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clever:

but these are 60–80gig ones

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mzb_d800:

Outlier: and you're not having problems with that, right? How about you test your theory by setting up individual filesystems on each drive

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mzb_d800:

clever: they should all be smart

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clever:

i did -s on for hda

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clever:

then reran it on hda and didnt get the error

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mzb_d800:

pretty much everything > 8GB should br (iirc)

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clever:

but no status info either

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clever:

tons with --all though:)

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clever:

which also reports the usefull SMART support is: Available – device has SMART capability.

[23:48:50]

clever:

for the hdb(which is still off)

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clever:

User Capacity: 81,964,302,336 bytes

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clever:

Model Family: Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 family

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mzb_d800:

are you trying to run a test?

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clever:

just trying to see the current status

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clever:

if it picked up any problems on its own

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clever:

performance is horid

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Outlier:

Sorry for the slowness – kids came in. OK – I bow to your wisdom on smart tools & bind mounting, but what would be the purpose of per-drive file systems?

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mzb_d800:

Outlier: you can determine if it's drive|mobo|driver related

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clever:

if home is on its own partition

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clever:

you can reformat / to upgrade the OS

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clever:

without loosing /home/

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clever:

with /etc/ on its own partition you could share the rest with several NFS root systems

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Outlier:

clever: Thanks – that's what I was attempting, when I found this problem of mine. I always put /home on its own partition – saves work in the long run.

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clever:

hda: 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 46.9015 seconds, 22.9 MB/s

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Outlier:

My question was more along the lines of why put each partition on a separate disk?

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mzb_d800:

Outlier: once you've proven that either: a) all the drives are ok by themselves, or b) there's a suspect drive .... or some other reason

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Outlier:

Right.

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** clever keeps testint to find the slow drive in the set **

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mzb_d800:

then you can retry the raid method. If the error only shows once you implement raid, then I'd say there's something wrong with your method

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clever:

HDB 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 54.134 seconds, 19.8 MB/s

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mzb_d800:

oh, btw: are they seagate sata2 drives on a sata1 mobo by any chance?

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Outlier:

I grant that my capacity for stupidity is truly monumental, but I dont see that I'm doing anything different here than on the other two systems I have with raid purring along nicely.

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clever:

mzb_d800: what speed should i be getting out of the drives normaly?

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mzb_d800:

sata1?

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clever:

pata

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clever:

hdd 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied, 23.5503 seconds, 45.6 MB/s

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mzb_d800:

err... 30MB/s ?

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Outlier:

mzb_d800: If that remark was directed at me...maybe. I'll check. They are seagates, at least mostly.

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clever:

i see 22 19 and 45 mb/sec(dd if=/dev/hdd of=/dev/null bs=1024 count=1048576)

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Outlier:

Not sure about the mobo

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clever:

might be something odd with the hdb(19mb/sec one)

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mzb_d800:

Outlier: check if the mobo is sata1, not sata2, if it is, ensure the drives are clipped to sata1 speed (not done by default)

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mzb_d800:

(add a jumper)

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Outlier:

That sounds entirely likely – thanks for the tip.

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mzb_d800:

it's experience like ^^ that made me suggest you try the drives individually

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mzb_d800:

even to the point of dumping zeros to a whole drive (test write), and then md5summing it (test read)

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clever:

cant do that kind of testing with my drive

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clever:

its allready filled

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Outlier:

mzb_d800: You are godlike. Yes, the board is an Asus A8N5X, and the controller is SATA, not SATA II.

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mzb_d800:

shucks :)

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