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piranha_:

How can I remove a channel from just one of my two tuners that share a video source?

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r3z:

Does /var/www/html/mythweb contain an index.php or just the mythweb.php?

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r3z:

Anyone around?

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pat_:

mine doesn't contain an index.php, just the mythweb.php

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r3z:

ya

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r3z:

mine either

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r3z:

hrm

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r3z:

I have been screwing with .htaccess and now when I open mythweb.php I get database Setup Error

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CCB0x45:

hey, I am trying to set up ubuntu to my tv, but with my nvidia driver it always says no valid modes for my modelines.... but I have no idea what check is causing them to break, is there anyway to do no validation checking at all? I have already turned off a lot of checks

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elb:

hi all – I'm running my mythtv frontend on a host with an NFS root (so I can spin down the fixed disk after boot), and it seems that mythfrontend is really chatty with the disk — any idea why that is, or if it can be reduced?

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r3z:

Database Setup Error

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r3z:

Anyone tell me what is wrong with mythweb here?

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r3z:

I am getting this error?

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elb:

do mythfrontend and/or mythbackend work properly on that machine?

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r3z:

Yep

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elb:

have you configured mythweb to use the proper username/password?

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r3z:

I have been screwing with .htaccess and now when I open mythweb.php I get database Setup Error

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elb:

oh – so it worked before that?

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elb:

(that's an important bit of information)

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r3z:

I apparently changed something.

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r3z:

I dont know wtf happened.

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elb:

if you remove .htaccess, does it work?

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r3z:

heh I am not an average user I know wtf I am doing.

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r3z:

Nah

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godzirra:

Heya folks...

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godzirra:

is this enough to run mythtv: EPIA 5000 – 533Mhz Fanless Eden / PLE 133 Chipset, announced Q2 2002

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godzirra:

assuming I drop a PVR150 or 500 in it?

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elb:

r3z: that error seems to indicate that the db_* environment variables are incorrect

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r3z:

None of that has been changed.

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elb:

is your db_server set to "localhost" ?

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r3z:

I think it is set to hostname

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r3z:

Let me verify

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elb:

is mysql listening on the IP to which the hostname resolves?

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r3z:

ya none of that has changed.

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elb:

you're past my ken, then :-)

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r3z:

Where all are you talking about checking the db_server?

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elb:

mythweb reads that from its environment — so, wherever it gets its environment from

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elb:

for me it gets it from .htaccess

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elb:

via 'setenv db_server "localhost"'

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r3z:

hrm

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r3z:

No db_Server settings in my .htaccess

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elb:

well, that could be the problem ;-)

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elb:

the default install on my system has a .htaccess in the same directory as mythweb.php that sets that stuff up

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elb:

although I don't remember if I put it there, or it was born there

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r3z:

Can you sen dme yours. Maybe I was a dumbass and overwrote it on accident heh

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r3z:

Wouldnt be the first time

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r3z:

Not quite as careful on non production boxes like my myth box heh

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godzirra:

Anyone know?

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elb:

godzirra: if someone knows, they will reply; r3z and I obviously do not

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godzirra:

Sorry =p

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r3z:

godzirra, definately wouldnt be the fastest heh

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elb:

r3z: http://pastebin.ca/751191

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venger:

if fast forward at 5x in a couple of seconds the frontend will stop on a frame and the log file spams NVP: prebuffering pause over and over with an occasional NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers. it never pulls out of that and I can hit ESC a few times to get back to the recordings menu.

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godzirra:

r3z: just trying to see if a mini-itx setup is a possibility for a myth setup.

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r3z:

elb,

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r3z:

Thanks

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r3z:

That was my issue.

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r3z:

I apparently overwrote my .htaccess

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elb:

no problem

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kormoc:

godzirra, check the wiki about the epia boards

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mljohns4:

I was curious as to what the currently recommended nvidia driver is for use with mythtv fixes and a Nvidia 8500 GT

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kormoc:

there isn't one really

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mljohns4:

That is what I was thinking... but reading through the mythtv wiki, specifically information regarding Frame Display Timing and it is recommended there to use Nvidia driver 7676 or 7667

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mljohns4:

Anything newer and you run into problems with timer function within the driver being broken which results in mythtv falling back on the RTC

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godzirra:

where's the wiki?

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godzirra:

Is the pvr350 a good card for mythtv? or can someone tell me where there's a list of good tv tuner cards?

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mljohns4:

specifically related to my question: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frame_di . . . pt_Frequency

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mljohns4:

I can't comment on the Standard Definition tuner cards (pvr-350), I have been using ATSC tuners

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godzirra:

I dont even know what ATSC is.

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godzirra:

I just want to find an inexpensive card.

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godzirra:

that will record 1 stream as well as a tivo does ;)

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mikeones:

godzirra: look this over http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card

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godzirra:

Thanks

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godzirra:

I have digital cable but not hdtv...

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godzirra:

do I need a digital hardware mpeg card?

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Dr_willis:

For digital cable here – I MUST use the cable companies cable box to get the high channels. :( sadly

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godzirra:

I don't really care about the high channels.

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mikeones:

anyone know how to stop a spacific recoding from being reschedualed? I have it as the highest priority but it is being reschedualed for a lower priority show.

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Dr_willis:

godzirra, depends on your cable provider. the 'high' channels here are the only ones that are digital. :)

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godzirra:

Ah.

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godzirra:

Assuming I only need 125 or lower... and I will be connecting my cable box into my tv tuner...

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godzirra:

(I think?)

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godzirra:

Do I need a digital card?

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mikeones:

godzirra: if your tv does composit or hdmi etc. and your videocard has some out similarly the you will be able to use both

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godzirra:

I dont have a tv out card yet.

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godzirra:

I'm mostly trying to pick out the least expensive possible so I can see if I like mythtv.

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godzirra:

our tivo broke, and I dont want to buy a new tivo

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godzirra:

so I'm trying to convince my wife to go mythtv instead :)

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godzirra:

My tv is a normal non hd tv. It has rca, svideo, and coax.

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godzirra:

thats it.

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godzirra:

anyways, bedtime for me. i'll check back in here tomorrow.

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HRearden1:

anyone on who can help debug an HDHomerun problem?

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billshovel:

Can a signal to noise reading be obtained from the backend? (I want to plot the SNR over time using rrdtool (http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/).

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BULLE:

billshovel: i dont think there is any standard way of reporting SNR so it will have to be a driver dependent thing

[09:36:29]

billshovel:

BULLE: tzap (http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Zap) reports SNR, but is it possible to get myth to release and regain its hold on the tuner while I take my SNR reading from tzap?

[09:37:43]

BULLE:

billshovel: hmmm, i think you can configure mythtv NOT to grab the device, when its not needed

[09:37:53]

clever:

or copy code over into myth so myth gives the info out on its own

[09:38:02]

BULLE:

clever: ye thats an option i guess

[09:38:22]

clever:

would also help other users

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clever:

(of that card)

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billshovel:

I can start myth (when tzap is running), and myth won't take control of the card (as expected). But when I send it a SIGHUP ("kill -SIGHUP `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid`) it doesn't retake control of the card. :-(

[09:41:04]

billshovel:

clever: but yes it'd be best if myth could report that info on its own. (even while *it* was using the card)

[09:41:15]

clever:

yeah

[09:41:30]

clever:

if you put the code of tzap into mythbackend

[09:41:46]

clever:

then they will both he sharing the same lock on the device

[09:42:05]

clever:

and it wont matter if the card is in use or not

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billshovel:

clever: yer that's the best way to do it. (getting the backend to recognize the SIGHUP would also be useful though.)

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clever:

why sighup?

[09:44:11]

billshovel:

So the backend can re-initialize and take control of the card (if it wasn't available when it first started) without requiring a restart.

[09:44:21]

clever:

ahh

[09:44:32]

clever:

so you wont have to kill other cards that might be there

[09:44:57]

billshovel:

yep. (and stop recordings and disconnect users and ....)

[09:45:14]

clever:

one of my programs im making uses sighup somewhat like that

[09:45:46]

clever:

right now it will system("make"); then close most sockets(except the ones that need root to open) and execve itself

[09:45:52]

clever:

causing a full restart of the program(with new code)

[09:48:30]

billshovel:

sighups are great for servers that you want to edit the conf file and reload it without restarting the server. (btw the mythbackend stores its conf in the database right? wouldn't it be easier to just store it in a file, or is that way because it allows for multiple backends?)

[09:51:46]

clever:

mysql.txt has the db/name/pw/server info to get at mysql

[09:51:51]

clever:

EVERYTHIGN else goes in mysql

[09:53:07]

rooaus:

billshovel: Does the signal monitor (F7 in LiveTV) show sane signal strength values?

[09:53:16]

billshovel:

I'm new to mythtv, but I don't get why a gui with huge fonts is at all convenient for modifying the configuration of the backend. (surely editing a text file would be easier.)

[09:54:43]

rooaus:

billshovel: Because once most people set up their dedicated Myth boxes the keyboard goes away.

[09:54:46]

clever:

billshovel: you can edit it in the database easily if you know what to look for

[09:55:04]

DustyBin:

mythtv.conf is a good idea

[09:56:09]

clever:

by keeping conf on the mysql server it makes some parts simpler for sharign the common settings between all hosts

[09:56:57]

billshovel:

rooaus: I read that the SNR (signal to noise ratio) is a better measure than the signal strength. (I can't even tune the channel in to use F7 ATM anyway.)

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t0ny-p40:

I just moved to fedora and now I'm getting tearing in the video. Any idea how to fix it?

[09:59:04]

t0ny-p40:

I'm using tv out on a nvidia card.

[09:59:10]

billshovel:

DustyBin: If there were a mythtv.conf file there could be some inline documentation and it would be easy to swap between different configs just by swapping the file. (Just like most other servers do ... httpd, sshd ) Hmmm.. shouldn't the backend be called mythtvd?

[09:59:34]

DustyBin:

aye agree

[09:59:46]

DustyBin:

mythbackend.conf + mythfrontend.conf

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clever:

billshovel: if you have a second mysql db you can swap between them by changing 1 line in mysql.txt

[10:00:09]

clever:

billshovel: and if you mythbackend -v database

[10:00:16]

clever:

youll see every database query it makes

[10:00:29]

clever:

and get a good idea on what the tables/rows are all used for

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billshovel:

clever: (now that's handy to know!)

[10:00:40]

clever:

:P

[10:00:55]

DustyBin:

very 'clever' Mr Bond, but not quite clever enough....

[10:00:58]

clever:

lol

[10:01:32]

clever:

(-v database also works on the other myth* programs)

[10:01:36]

billshovel:

DustyBin: no I think the frontend config should still be done through a gui. (you can expect thin clients to edit a config file)

[10:02:00]

DustyBin:

billshovel: the gui should write to the config

[10:02:05]

billshovel:

s/can/can't/

[10:02:10]

clever:

the config ui is meant to be edited from a remote thru lirc

[10:02:46]

clever:

you can also get at some of the settings thru mythweb

[10:02:52]

clever:

and you can turn the font sizes down also

[10:06:35]

rooaus:

billshovel: You need to understand the extent that mythtv uses Mysql. The DB is there anyway so why introduce another store when there is a perfectly suitable one already available?

[10:09:53]

rooaus:

clever: Instead of another DB why not just tweak the "LocalHostName" setting in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt, when you connect it will connect as a different frontend?

[10:12:06]

billshovel:

rooaus: I guess when I first looked at myth I kept asking questions like: Why isn't there a .mythtvrc file that overrides a default one? Why isn't the backend called mythtvd? Why isn't there a config file for the backend? What is going on? (Can't wait to use that "-v database")

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rooaus:

billshovel: Fair enough, one thing is for certain though, the developers involved in MythTV are smart folk. If there was a compelling reason to do it a different way they would have. And in the absence of further information it is safe to assume there is a good reason it works the way it does. :)

[10:16:52]

billshovel:

rooaus: yep cheers to the myth folk, myth is awesome. :)

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clever:

rooaus: that works for local changes but for majors ones it wotn do

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clever:

i put in a extra entry for MasterBackendIP with the hostname non null

[10:19:29]

clever:

so that certain hosts get a different master ip

[10:19:47]

clever:

which goes thru my vpn to the same master

[10:20:02]

DustyBin:

am i right in thinking that via motherboards make the best front ends?

[10:20:12]

clever:

the default ip(with a null hostname) is the lan ip for the other systems(and ones lacking vpn)

[10:21:27]

DustyBin:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/

[10:21:45]

DustyBin:

mini-itx is a nice size for a front end

[10:22:17]

clever:

if you wanted to

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clever:

with a crt based tv

[10:22:17]

clever:

you might be able to stick that board IN the tv(with extra sheilding)

[10:22:32]

clever:

then you wont even notice the space it takes up:P

[10:22:38]

DustyBin:

hehe

[10:22:54]

clever:

you would have to make a custom case that attaches inside the tv casing

[10:23:03]

clever:

and sheilds it from all the em noise from the crt tube

[10:23:07]

DustyBin:

but you will notice when the hardware fails and catches fire because of poor workmanship, very clever, not.

[10:23:13]

clever:

lol

[10:28:57]

DustyBin:

what is the minimum spec for a via cpu to display HD video?

[10:29:40]

billshovel:

rooaus: gee there appears to be a lot of database traffic while idling. (I guess the backend keeps polling for more things to do.)

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rooaus:

billshovel: There are at least status updates so the frontend knows that a new recording has started on the backend etc.

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mzb_d800:

I guess I'm a bit late getting into this conversation, but irrc, it's possible to have the "multiple profiles per host" mentioned above by specifying a custom frontend name in the setup

[11:20:34]

mzb_d800:

so, rather than the concept of a single config file that can be copied|modified you can just change the name of the frontend (as seen by the database)

[11:21:20]

mzb_d800:

billshovel, DustyBin, rooaus, etc: isn't that the functionality required?

[11:23:45]

mzb_d800:

(ie. mythtv.conf is far too simplistic for a system capable of such complexity and variation)

[11:25:24]

rooaus:

mzb_d800: Yeah, a central configuration store is what is needed and is provided from mysql.

[11:25:31]

mzb_d800:

well, I can see my 2 cents has been well spent ;)

[11:25:52]

mzb_d800:

thanks rooaus ;)

[11:26:29]

mzb_d800:

I'm starting to get the hang of this system now (kind of;)

[11:26:49]

mzb_d800:

any further thoughts on 'node casts?

[11:28:35]

rooaus:

I have updated the shoutcast patch to trunk (as of a few hours ago) I am going to post it to the -users mailing list as Eskil hasn't responded to the email.

[11:28:44]

mzb_d800:

ok

[11:29:06]

mzb_d800:

excellent

[11:29:25]

mzb_d800:

I guess you've waited long enough

[11:29:34]

mzb_d800:

so does the grabber need modification for node?

[11:30:18]

mzb_d800:

I'm sure it could be written better (or perhaps in something better, like *cough* python)

[11:30:34]

rooaus:

Your scraper does exactly what I want thankyou, I will only add the Node provided stations to Myth as I don't need to be shaped :)

[11:30:46]

mzb_d800:

:)

[11:30:57]

mzb_d800:

did you get a scare the other day?

[11:31:27]

mzb_d800:

I was 2 days off the end of the month, and their accounting had meltdown

[11:32:25]

mzb_d800:

ie: had 180MB/day for 2.7 days left before I went to bed, and when I woke up it was ~2GB over! wow!

[11:32:36]

rooaus:

Nah, I don't usually run close to the limit but just a habit as we have a business plan at work that does not have an excess cap or shaping.

[11:32:52]

mzb_d800:

nice to get an email though and was all fixed

[11:33:28]

mzb_d800:

yeah, I usually only use <2GB per month, but mythtv has given g/f motivation to ask for certain additions ;)

[11:33:53]

rooaus:

I think they handled it well, they refunded anyone who bought extra Gigs as a consequence of being shaped but let the keep the allowance.

[11:34:17]

rooaus:

s/the/them

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mzb_d800:

so 10GB/mth isn't that bad (I traded 20GB@512Kb for 10GB@1500Kb)

[11:34:34]

mzb_d800:

yep, pretty happy with service

[11:35:14]

rooaus:

yeah, I was on a 8M plan for a while but that was silly (had to try it), but on the same plan as you are.

[11:35:20]

mzb_d800:

just wasn't happy with the price rise a few months ago (first time ever, I'll admit) which was based on "high volume" users

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mzb_d800:

so now, along with mythtv, a dedicated donkeyserver (vm), and traffic shaping on my openwrt box, it's time to soak up all excess bandwidth *by script* ;)

[11:37:31]

mzb_d800:

I've not yet exceeded a limit, but I do it manually ;) ... so automation would be cool ;) (and keep the g/f happy at the same time;)

[11:38:05]

rooaus:

fair enough

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mzb_d800:

and in the scheme of things, 10GB is a pretty small ask (their smallest plan?)

[11:39:14]

mzb_d800:

oooh, Terminator!

[11:39:29]

mzb_d800:

gee, I dunno

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mzb_d800:

I'd have to take the logo off if I recorded it ;)

[11:40:55]

mzb_d800:

never seen it on digital before

[11:41:18]

mzb_d800:

(all this modern technology is confusing me;)

[11:41:53]

mzb_d800:

starting to develop some new rules which conflict with what Dad taught me (from 3yo;)

[11:42:18]

mzb_d800:

most still applies, but some of them are now outdated ;P

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Yahooadam:

If anyone can help me with

[11:43:56]

Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

[11:43:56]

Yahooadam:

i would very much appreciate it :)

[11:44:30]

mzb_d800:

he's been away for a couple of months, so hopefully I'll turn him green|blue when he returns to Tas ;)

[11:46:14]

mzb_d800:

Yahooadam: how was the video created in the first place? Can you watch it with your desktop machine?

[11:46:41]

rooaus:

Yeah, people freak out when you rewind the football (or other live content). But it is only when you use Myth for a while that you realise it's true value.

[11:47:07]

mzb_d800:

absolutely ;)

[11:47:16]

Yahooadam:

mzb_d800 – i can watch the videos on a mythfrontend, and on my windows machine – the backend has no gui so cant test that ...

[11:47:40]

mzb_d800:

managed to have a 2 hour bath the other day ;) (while one of my favourite shows was being automatically recorded;)

[11:48:09]

mzb_d800:

Yahooadam: I mean that particular video

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mzb_d800:

how was it made?

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt matter what video, mythtranscode wont do anything to any videos

[11:49:01]

mzb_d800:

do you have it in recordings/ or videos/

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Yahooadam:

their all recorded OTA, 1x PVR-150 and 1x Nova-T 500 (dual DVB-T tuner)

[11:49:12]

mzb_d800:

ok ... then put in in recordings/

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mzb_d800:

and then use myth.rebuilddatabase.pl to import it

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mzb_d800:

and then transcode it

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Yahooadam:

where is recordings/ ?

[11:50:04]

Yahooadam:

and can i just symlink that ?

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mzb_d800:

that often works for me, but ymmv

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mzb_d800:

I don't know, sorry, my setup is ... a little different to standard

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mzb_d800:

got sqlmyadmin (?) installed somewhere?

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Yahooadam:

i have phpmyadmin

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mzb_d800:

that's what I meant

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mzb_d800:

(long day)

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mzb_d800:

you should be able to do a search for "recordings"

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mzb_d800:

the idea is, you copy into recordings dir, then import it, then transcode it

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mzb_d800:

it *might* work

[11:52:38]

mzb_d800:

(often works for me;)

[11:52:58]

mzb_d800:

if all else fails, avidemux does a pretty good job

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Yahooadam:

"2007-10–27 12:52:32.650 AFD: Successfully opened decoder for file: "/srv/DataDisk4/Recordings/Recorded/2208_20071024220000.mpg". novideo(0)"

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Yahooadam:

why is it opening a codec called "novideo" ?

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mzb_d800:

beyond me ... sorry, reached the limit of my assistance :)

[11:58:21]

Hoxzer:

are mythtv recordings just mpg files with .nuv extenssion ?

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mzb_d800:

*shiver* .. T2 in widescreen .... grr ... going to have to do something about that

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GreyFoxx:

Hoxzer: It depends on how olde ryour version is

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Hoxzer:

0.20

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming the recording isn't from an old version then no, .nuvs wouldn't be mpegs

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GreyFoxx:

err not mpeg2 at least

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Hoxzer:

Oh geez, I have been recovering from file format for more than a hour of time

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GreyFoxx:

Of course that only applies to pvr, dvb and ATSC and such

[12:00:47]

GreyFoxx:

if you are using a framebuffer it wouldbe .nuv

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Hoxzer:

For some wierd reason all my recordings got removed yesterday O_o when I stopped watching livetv

[12:03:21]

Yahooadam:

thats allways fun

[12:03:45]

Yahooadam:

sure your HD hasnt crashed ?

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Hoxzer:

Well, I was like "Wtf did my HDD break" when it kept keeping that writing sound

[12:04:02]

Hoxzer:

Yahooadam: well, yes, my Database is on different HDD than the recordings

[12:04:17]

Hoxzer:

and also all db entries were removed

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Yahooadam:

ah

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Yahooadam:

great fun then :o

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mzb_d800:

is there an "approved" method for removing a simple station logo? (not transparent or animated)

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billshovel:

How do I instruct nuvexport to crop the vertical black bars that get added to the sides of a 4:3 program when it is broadcast in 16:9? (ie. I want to save it in 4:3)

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MilhousePunkRock:

I got an "old" P4 1.8 Ghz for cheap... Should I start thinking about buying a TV card and turn this thing into a MythTV box?

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Yahooadam:

if you want a mythtv box, it would be an idea

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Yahooadam:

do you want a backend, frontend, or combined ?

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sebrock:

anyone from Sweden using the swedish grabber?

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rooaus:

MilhousePunkRock: Depends if you want a Mythtv box or not. If you are asking will it do the job then sure, it will be a for fine standard def Mythbox.

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MilhousePunkRock:

Yahooadam: It'll probably both in one...

[13:03:09]

MilhousePunkRock:

rooaus: How much do I need to invest for a decent analogue cable tuner card with mpeg2? Ideally with dual tuner...

[13:05:03]

rooaus:

I only use DVB-T (in Australia) but others here should be able to answer that. Where are you?

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Yahooadam:

...

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Yahooadam:

"cable tuner card"

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MilhousePunkRock:

rooaus: DVD-T would be an option too, I am in Germany... But since we have and pay for cable...

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Yahooadam:

are you in the USA or UK ?

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MilhousePunkRock:

Yahooadam: Germany, so it PAL,I guess..

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Yahooadam:

and by "Cable"

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Yahooadam:

do you mean terrestrial, or "cable"

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MilhousePunkRock:

Yahooadam: Cable as in Cable TV, else I would have said terrestrial...

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Yahooadam:

that will be a problem then

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Yahooadam:

i assume that goes into a set top box at the moment

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Yahooadam:

(also millhouse, some people dont understand the differences and call terrestrial cable, its important to know exactly what you want)

[13:08:57]

MilhousePunkRock:

Yahooadam: No, it's "free to air" although it's not in the air anyway... German TVs have cable tuners.. It's not that fancy stuff with EPG and such, just analogue TV coming from a socket in the wall

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MilhousePunkRock:

Yahooadam: And to be precise, it's not free either, we pay for the signal... But it was there before we payed for it too...

[13:11:02]

** MilhousePunkRock wonders why there are so many systems for something as common as TV all over the world **

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mzb_d800:

MilhousePunkRock: I use p3–650 (@804MHz) and p3–866 but I have external box that gives mpeg2.

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mzb_d800:

if you're not concerned about fast forward + rewind speeds, a *slow* system is suitable for standard definition digital

[13:13:17]

mzb_d800:

but afaict, you'd need more power (than I've got) for proper analogue capture

[13:13:35]

mzb_d800:

that being said, there must be a way ;)

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MilhousePunkRock:

mzb_d800: Stuff like pausing live TV is one of the reasons I am tempted to try MythTV

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Yahooadam:

millhouse

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Yahooadam:

if you can use DVB-T

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mzb_d800:

I recently watched a 12 hr show (?) [ Bathurst = car race ] at 95% playback ... most enjoyable :)

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mzb_d800:

(skipped all the advertisements;)

[13:15:34]

mzb_d800:

(maybe it was 8 hrs ... but you get the idea:)

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mzb_d800:

but if it's analogue, there's a lot more processing going on (depending on the method of capture)

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rooaus:

MilhousePunkRock: There is probably some good info on the wiki, it is linked to from www.mythtv.org. Also search the mailing list archives at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ , I am sure there are others that have got it working in Germany :)

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mzb_d800:

having a "device" that produces mpeg2 makes all the difference

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MilhousePunkRock:

mzb_d800: That's why I mentioned a card with mpeg2 processor...

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HReadren:

can anyone help with a thorny hdhomerun problem?

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MilhousePunkRock:

rooaus: Browsing the wiki currently...

[13:19:33]

rooaus:

MilhousePunkRock: DVB-T is broadcast in mpeg2 here, I haven't read the standard but assume that is the minimum requirement. (Either way it is a compressed stream).

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MilhousePunkRock:

rooaus: I think there is less channels on DVB-T here than there on Cable though...

[13:21:22]

rooaus:

Fair enough.

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rooaus:

Goodnight all.

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MilhousePunkRock:

rooaus: Good night, ttynt

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SoulBlade:

does myth tv let me watch my recorded shows from another machine? can i stream them

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SoulBlade:

im sure it's been set up..

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mindframe-:

yes

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Yahooadam:

yes and yes

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SoulBlade:

oh the beauty..

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Yahooadam:

so its probably not set up right ;)

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SoulBlade:

im going to set one up i think

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SoulBlade:

with the ubuntu livecd

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SoulBlade:

im hoping its easy..

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Yahooadam:

you just need to edit my.cnf (mysql config)

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SoulBlade:

ah ok

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Yahooadam:

if you want one to run off a livecd, mythbuntu should be an idea

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Yahooadam:

go into my.cnf and commend out bind-address

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Yahooadam:

comment out #

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Yahooadam:

then restart mysql

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SoulBlade:

sweet thanks

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SoulBlade:

do you know of any wireless usb adapters that have solid linux support

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SoulBlade:

thast the last piece i need i think

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Yahooadam:

so whats anyones advice here on pushing for a laptop with DVI – ie – is it worth it ?

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SoulBlade:

dvi out?

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

i was looking at a Dell Vostro 1500

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Yahooadam:

but it only has VGA

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SoulBlade:

if its a lot more, i wouldnt say its worth it.. unless you often need to hook up to another monitor and dont have a docking station in the common spot

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SoulBlade:

but i think you can get docking stations that let you do the dvi out – plus they're nice to have sometimes

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HReadren:

I've got a problem with HDHomeRun and one specific channel. Works fine using their linux tools but not myth. Seems to be a problem with PID filtering. Can anyone here help?

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djc__:

hrm.. ive found how to tell myth to autoskip commercials when watching a recording, but i seem to have to turn it on each time, it wont stay set on. is there a way to have it set on automatically?

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applegrew:

I have non-standard cable and I have no channel listing etc. Hence using tvtime-scanner I scanned for channels and converted the channel frequency (in MHz) to KHz and entered this value in the mythconverg database in the freqid column of channel table. Some channel looks ok but others look as if they have not been tuned. They look horrible. The same channel in tvtime looks absolutely great. What is actually this freqid?

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applegrew:

pls help

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applegrew:

any ideas?

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djbeenie_:

can anyone help me setup my new gentoo mythtv setup...im running mythtv setup and I do not see my pvr150 card

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djbeenie_:

nm i figured it out

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djbeenie_:

is ivtv not a loadable module anymore?

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eido:

hi folks, my normally idle myth (i haven't been doing much mything lately) seems to be unable to run X now. i've just been using it as a fileserver (headless), but now i want to play some mame games on it. The xorg.log says:

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eido:

(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory

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eido:

i booted a livecd, and X came up okay, so there's definatley a VGA board and it works. why am i not getting X in myth-land?

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GreyFoxx:

sounds like your X is configured to use a framebuffer device that you don't have enabled

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eido:

GreyFoxx: i haven't changed anything, haven't even done an update. i wonder if i've had a mysteirous hardware failure.

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GreyFoxx:

this looks like a configuration issue, not hardware

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eidolon:

*nodnod* well lets see.

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GreyFoxx:

Were you outputting to a pvr350 in the past? Were you using X in framebuffer mode rather than regular video drivers?

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eidolon:

http://pastebin.stonekeep.com/887

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eidolon:

that's my Xorg.0.log file

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eidolon:

no pvr 350... i have a pvr150.

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eidolon:

i... don't think i was? i do have an nvidia board

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GreyFoxx:

you are not using the Nvidia driver

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applegrew:

does freqid in channel table of the mythtv database contain channel frequencies in KHz?

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eidolon:

hum, i should. :)

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eidolon:

weird, the nvidia driver isn't even loaded.

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eidolon:

lsmod | grep nv should show me it, right?

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eidolon:

NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0–8776 Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT 2006

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eidolon:

still no /dev/fb anything though

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directhex:

/dev/fb is something you only use if it's 1996

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directhex:

or you're using ps3 linux

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directhex:

framebuffer video out is for those without real hardware

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d00gster0:

is there a guide I can use to get a matrox g550 with tv-out going for Mythtv? one that is recent maybe for debian. I compile my own kernel.....

[17:10:06]

d00gster0:

thanks in advance

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Redman276:

afternoon

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Redman276:

anyone around ?

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Redman276:

im having a problem with mysqladmin for creating the database

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directhex:

eidolon, you're attempting to use the fbdev driver for your graphics output. fbdev is somewhere between crayons and cave paintings for efficient graphics drawing. you don't have a /dev/fb0 because only under fairly extreme circumstances w9ould you ever want to dirty your graphics card with one

[17:15:31]

djbeenie_:

is ivtv not a loadable module anymore?

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djbeenie_:

in newer kernels that is

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djbeenie_:

im using a cx23416 h150 card

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directhex:

djbeenie_, sure it still is

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directhex:

djbeenie_, but you run gentoo, so christ knows what the problems are

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djbeenie_:

whats wrong with gentoo :)

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directhex:

by design, you experience problems everyone else solved already

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djbeenie_:

im on a 2.6.21 kernel, the newest driver said it couldnt emerge b/c it needs to be on a 2.6.22 kernel

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elb:

interesting — gentoo users claim that only Pidgin feels this way about Gentoo

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directhex:

djbeenie_, so fix it

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djbeenie_:

im going to try to backdate the driver

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directhex:

have fun

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jimbalaya:

what's the default location for the mythtv database?...

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directhex:

jimbalaya, the "mythconverg" database, in the specified mysql server

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jimbalaya:

heh, well, i've just had to restore my system from an rsync backup ... it seems that mysql databases aren't properly backed up this way :-/

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jimbalaya:

all of them are listed as 'dbname (0)' in phpmyadmin

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directhex:

if your question is "what's the default location for mysql databases", the answer is "try /var/lib/mysql/DBNAME"

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Redman276:

when i try this :mysqladmin -u root password , im getting an error :mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failederror: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) is ther a fix to this ?

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dr_lulz:

use -p

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directhex:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recover-mysql-root-password.html

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jimbalaya:

NICE – it's just another permissions issue!

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jimbalaya:

thanks directhex

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Redman276:

nope that didnt work

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Redman276:

still cant connect to it

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dr_lulz:

error?

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Redman276:

same

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Redman276:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failederror: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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dr_lulz:

rtfm ;)

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dr_lulz:

oh wait

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dr_lulz:

i might be wrong

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dr_lulz:

no. mysqladmin -uroot -pyourpass

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dr_lulz:

or just -p, and it will ask you

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Redman276:

i do that and it gives me the verbose outpot of the switches

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Redman276:

output*

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dr_lulz:

you will have to add some command, whatever you want to do

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Redman276:

ok

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dr_lulz:

Usage: mysqladmin [OPTIONS] command command....

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Redman276:

its not letting me connect what so ever

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Redman276:

i think its wrecked

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Redman276:

but i appreciate the help

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dr_lulz:

define "not letting me connect"

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Redman276:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failederror: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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dr_lulz:

did you lose your password?

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Redman276:

nope

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dr_lulz:

are you entering the right password?

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Redman276:

yep

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dr_lulz:

did you mess with the users table? is root allowed to connect from localhost?

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Redman276:

cause if i do mysql -u root -p

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Redman276:

and enter in the password im in

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Redman276:

how do you do that ?

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dr_lulz:

and it wont work for mysqladmin? weird

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Redman276:

nope

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Redman276:

i think mysqladmin is wrecked

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

why is it that eventhough i have certain key in my remote as "Page Down" in my key bindings under "Global", it doestn work when im reading news (presumably mythbrowser??)

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Hilikus:

if i press page down in the keyb it works, but the binding in mythtv for PAGE DOWN doesnt work

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tcpsyn:

Afternoon.

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tcpsyn:

I'm trying to wrap my head around a surround sound configuration.

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tcpsyn:

I've got my mythbox about 20 feet away from my tv

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tcpsyn:

And I've also got a PS3

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tcpsyn:

I'd like to get a surround sound conf that works with both the mythbox and the ps3

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tcpsyn:

All I've got is my onboard sound

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tcpsyn:

with no free PCI slots

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tcpsyn:

Is anyone setup like that?

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tcpsyn:

Or does anyone have experience with Virtual Surround Sound?

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bert:

Is there anyone here?

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tcpsyn:

nah

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Patina:

How do I tell mythtv to not do comercial flagging on certain channels?

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bert:

nuts :)

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elb:

there are 185 users here ... what kind of question is that

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Patina:

elb: I can see 192.

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elb:

sorry, 192, 185 "normal"users

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bert:

My IRC client doesn't show me the users in a channel

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elb:

but the point stands ;-)

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Patina:

192 users is no garantee anyone is awake.

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bert:

I didn't see anyone talking so I thought I'd ask

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elb:

bert: you almost always get better effect by just asking — if someone is around who knows the answer, they will answer

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elb:

if not, when they come back and review their scrollback, they'll do so (hopefully)

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Patina:

Which is what I did.

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Patina:

Hope, that is.

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bert:

alrighty, Anone have an idea as to why when I start my Myth Frontend I get asked whihc DB I want to connect to and the only option is Do Not Connect to Database?

[19:12:42]

Patina:

No, haven't got a clue.

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bert:

It doesn't seem to matter if the Frontend is on the same machine as my backend or not.

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Patina:

See, that was easy. ;-)

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bert:

very easy :)

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bert:

almost painless :)

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adante:

Patina: i beleive you can set channels to commercial free (which presumably stops it from flagging commercials)

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Patina:

adante: Yes, found it in channel editor.

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Patina:

bert: See, someone actually answered my question.

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Patina:

adante: Thanks.

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djbeenie_:

can anyone point me to a kernel config for WinTV PVR 150?

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bert:

Patina: Amazing, now if only there was someone wise enough to solve mine :o) I know it's a strange one as there is very little helpful information on Google about it

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BlackDark:

hi

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BlackDark:

any i

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BlackDark:

any ivtv experts around here ?

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ServerSage:

BlackDark: I'm an expert at being frustrated with ivtv.

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BlackDark:

ServerSage: lol

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BlackDark:

I have some quality problems with one of my pvr-250 card

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BlackDark:

01:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

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BlackDark:

01:0a.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

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BlackDark:

I've set those options in /etc/modules : options ivtv card=85,10 tuner=39,2

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BlackDark:

the quality of the second card is noisy

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BlackDark:

any idea ?

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ServerSage:

BlackDark: Chances are if you are getting noise, it's not the module's fault.

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BlackDark:

I tried to switch the input cables

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ServerSage:

BlackDark: Could be bad cable, could be noise from one of the other devices in your computer, could be noice gremlins.

[19:41:59]

BlackDark:

to remove one

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BlackDark:

actually if I don;t set the options, the module doesn't detect properly the second card

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BlackDark:

and the image is in black & white

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ServerSage:

BlackDark: What distro are you running?

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BlackDark:

ubuntu feisty

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BlackDark:

ivtv shipped with the distro

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ServerSage:

What version of ivtv are you using?

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BlackDark:

no clue, how can I see that /

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BlackDark:

?

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ServerSage:

apt-show-versions ivtv

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ServerSage:

I think, I'm a gentoo guy. Don't use apt much.

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BlackDark:

no packages for i

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BlackDark:

vtv

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BlackDark:

it comes with the kernel

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ServerSage:

Interesting. I didn't think they'd do that since it makes it harder to upgrade ivtv.

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directhex:

it's not in the mainline kernel

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ServerSage:

Aaah.

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BlackDark:

/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep ivtv.ko *.list

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BlackDark:

linux-image-2.6.20-15–386.list:/lib/modules/2.6.20-15–386/kernel/ubu ntu/media/ivtv/ivtv.ko

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BlackDark:

linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic.list:/lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/ubuntu/ media/ivtv/ivtv.ko

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BlackDark:

linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic.list:/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/ubuntu/ media/ivtv/ivtv.ko

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BlackDark:

it's shipped with the kernel

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BlackDark:

it's aswell a kernel module

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ServerSage:

BlackDark: Not sure how to help you, but in my limited experience noise has never been a driver issue. It's always been hardware (cable, interferance, etc..)

[19:49:10]

BlackDark:

ServerSage: it looks like the card is not set with the proper quality parameter

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BlackDark:

it's supposed to be dvd quality

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tcpsyn:

anyone using an extigy?

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BlackDark:

what;s an extigy ?

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tcpsyn:

that external soundcard that soundblaster put out a few years back

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tcpsyn:

I'm thinking of ways to get surround sound out of my mediocre mythbox

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tcpsyn:

I'm out of pci slots

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directhex:

BlackDark, you could update to the stable ubuntu release?

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tcpsyn:

and I only have AC97 onboard

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directhex:

tcpsyn, you can get surround from ac97

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AndyCap:

tcpsyn: do you have a digital output

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BlackDark:

directhex a friend of mine has the same quality problems with the last ubuntu

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Spicerun:

Where is mythtv's Repository, so I could check out the latest code?

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directhex:

svn.mythtv.org

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tcpsyn:

andycap, no digital out.. just the speaker, line, and mic

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Spicerun:

directhex: Thanks.

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tcpsyn:

I know with some of the ac97 chips the line and mic act as center/back

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tcpsyn:

but it just seems a little to half ass for me

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tcpsyn:

If I'm playing hd video, I want full surround sound

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directhex:

why? most modern sound cards have software-based port allocation

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AndyCap:

tcpsyn: I have a turtle beach amigo usb audio device that works ok with linux, but I don't know if it supports surround on the digital output

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tcpsyn:

yea? it just sounds less than reliable.

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AndyCap:

S/PDIF output allows pass-through of Dolby Digital® and DTS® DVD formats for pure digital quality surround sound on A/V receivers or digital speakers.

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tcpsyn:

andycap, yeah, I gots no spdif out

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AndyCap:

tcpsyn: that was the USB Amigo I'm talking about

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directhex:

hell, apple & sony even do combined optical & headphone ports

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tcpsyn:

oh

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tcpsyn:

oh yea?

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tcpsyn:

alright. Maybe it's not as lame as it sounds to me

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tcpsyn:

So if I can use my current onboard sound

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tcpsyn:

I just have to find a way to share the speakers with my ps3

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tcpsyn:

because I want that to have full surround as well, out of the same speakers

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directhex:

get a nice av receiver!

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AndyCap:

tcpsyn: buy a cheap used av receiver?

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tcpsyn:

hah. cheap or nice?

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directhex:

pick your budget! and whether you want hdmi 1.3!

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AndyCap:

tcpsyn: cheap, used, nice, pick two

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AndyCap:

hmm, that didn't compute

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ARfdee:

hi help, mythfrontend won't start on right display anymore

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directhex:

beat it with a two-by-four until it behaves

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BlackDark:

ARfdee: did you try to start it from a console ?

[20:01:24]

tcpsyn:

any recommendations on the reciever?

[20:01:27]

ARfdee:

BlackDark: i mean, it starts on screen 0 instead of screen 1

[20:01:44]

directhex:

tcpsyn, pick a budget!

[20:01:58]

tcpsyn:

cheap

[20:02:08]

directhex:

tcpsyn, i've got the best-value modern receiver on the market, but that doesn't mean it's dirt cheap

[20:02:15]

tcpsyn:

what is it

[20:02:22]

directhex:

especially if you want full ps3 compatibility

[20:02:27]

directhex:

onkyo 605

[20:02:42]

BlackDark:

ARfdee: no idea how to force it to load on a screen in perticuliar

[20:02:44]

tcpsyn:

thats like $300 right.

[20:02:57]

AndyCap:

ARfdee: should be a xinerama setting in options

[20:03:00]

ARfdee:

BlackDark: the settings/general tell it where to load

[20:03:06]

ARfdee:

AndyCap: i know, i set that:O

[20:03:06]

directhex:

£400 in uk ($800)

[20:03:16]

tcpsyn:

yeah no

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AndyCap:

ARfdee: so, what did you change later on? :P

[20:03:23]

tcpsyn:

heh

[20:03:23]

ARfdee:

no:(

[20:03:26]

ARfdee:

it's still on 1

[20:03:35]

AndyCap:

ARfdee: no, what else..

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directhex:

it's much cheaper in yankland though

[20:03:41]

AndyCap:

before it broke.

[20:04:05]

directhex:

$470 at circuit city? damned cheapskate yanks

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ARfdee:

looking at appearance settings, xinerama screen is "1"

[20:04:31]

directhex:

$430 from amazon

[20:04:35]

ARfdee:

but it keeps starting on 0

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BlackDark:

ARfdee: no changes in xorg.conf ?

[20:06:24]

BlackDark:

no driver change ?

[20:06:43]

ARfdee:

nopers

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BlackDark:

strange

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ARfdee:

nvidia driver

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BlackDark:

start tthe frontend from a console and check the messages in the console

[20:08:49]

ARfdee:

ah, i think it's cuz i was trying to fix the geometry problem that happens b/c of compiz

[20:09:07]

ARfdee:

BlackDark: do you know if it's possible to fix the issue with compiz and mythfrontend?

[20:09:37]

BlackDark:

no clue, I never player with compiz on my myth box

[20:10:08]

hendrixski:

what's the difference between the nuppelVideoPlayer and the "internal player" I keep hearing about?

[20:10:20]

directhex:

one exists

[20:10:45]

directhex:

the other doesn't

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hendrixski:

so there is no internal player?

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directhex:

of course there is

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directhex:

there's no nupplevideoplayer beyond a .cpp file embedded deep into myth's source

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hendrixski:

Ok, so the nuppelvideo class is just for playing back shows that have been recorded, right?

[20:13:59]

hendrixski:

directhex, then what .cpp file(s) would I look at to learn about the internal player?

[20:15:22]

directhex:

mythtv has an ffmpeg snapshot embedded in it

[20:15:30]

directhex:

with patches, e.g. nuppelvideo support

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directhex:

the internal player simply uses that embedded ffmpeg for playback, much like recordings do

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hendrixski:

oh... so the "internal player" is just a pull of ffmpeg from upstream?

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hendrixski:

plus poatches

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directhex:

hendrixski, the internal player is what myth uses to play recordings. you can use it for non-recordings too. it's based on ffmpeg. that's the short version

[20:18:37]

directhex:

r8000 or so of ffmpeg

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directhex:

i'm awaiting a sync to r10000 or so

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hendrixski:

ah, and that's all the stuff in the libavcodecs folder right?

[20:20:06]

** hendrixski pulls down a copy of ffmpeg source **

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GreyFoxx:

yes and no, it uses the ffmpeg libraries for reading/decoding byt the playback itself, interface and output are not part of ffmpeg

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hendrixski:

directhex, I see libavcodecs, libavformat, libavutil, are from ffmpeg ... libpostproc, libswscale are not there... I guess those are either in the r1000 or they do the playback and are not included

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hendrixski:

GreyFoxx, :-) that would explain why there is no ffmpeg.c in the source code

[20:26:49]

** hendrixski does a grep to see if he can find which files replace the interface and output in mythtv **

[20:27:08]

GreyFoxx:

huh?

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GreyFoxx:

what exactly are you looking for ?

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hendrixski:

GreyFoxx, I'm trying to understand the code. I want to help San Mehat in his quest to do really cool things with MythVideo

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GreyFoxx:

output are in the lib/libmythtv/videoout* files

[20:29:05]

GreyFoxx:

various output types

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hendrixski:

ah

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hendrixski:

crap... of course none of them have a single comment in them

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hendrixski:

man I would have been developing pages and pages of code for MythTV by now if I could just RTFC (read the fine comments) instead of having to ask here all the time

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ARfdee:

anyone use compiz and also myth?

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** hendrixski takes it back... VideoOutput.h is VERY well commented **

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hendrixski:

ARfdee, I don't. but I would assume that most people on Ubuntu 7.10 are

[20:41:46]

ARfdee:

hmm

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hendrixski:

umm, I tried to sign up for an account on the wiki... but it's not sending me the confirmation email. :-/

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sulan:

Hmm, does anyone know if MythTV Frontend running on Mac OS X can use both cores of a Core 2 Duo when decoding H.264 720p?

[21:07:05]

BULLE:

sulan: i think it cant, yet

[21:07:22]

BULLE:

sulan: because mythfrontend currently uses an old ffmpeg that doesnt use multiple threads

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BULLE:

sulan: but i might be wrong about that

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sulan:

BULLE: I think you're right :(

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sulan:

at least that's what the current results of trying to decode H.264 suggest :/

[21:09:04]

BULLE:

what core2duo have you got ?

[21:09:26]

BULLE:

i would have assumed mythtv 0.20.2 should be able to play 720p at 30fps or so

[21:09:36]

BULLE:

atleast it does on my c2d 6600

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sulan:

I tried decoding a ~20Mbps HD-stream on a C2D 1.83GHz (a very recent Mac Mini)

[21:10:49]

sulan:

and process/activity monitor suggest that only one of the cores are used (it hits the 100% mark and the video+audio stutters)

[21:11:00]

BULLE:

tried using mythvideo and mplayer instead ?

[21:11:05]

fedder:

By the way; is a Mac Mini running OS X a good candidate for a Myth TV frontend?

[21:11:28]

sulan:

fedder: IMO, very – unless you need HD (currently)

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sulan:

I have just used it for a couple of days – and so far I'm pleased (except that HD material seem to be too heavy with the current mythtv release (0.20.2))

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fedder:

HD, as in 1080? -I've got a 1368x720 LCD TV with DVI

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sulan:

no, 720p HD seems to be too much for my C2D 1.83

[21:13:30]

sulan:

at least running under Leopard (I didn't try HD under Tiger)

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fedder:

Do you mean 720p input stream, or rendering "normal" TV on a 720p monitor?

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fedder:

All I'm going to screen on it in the foreseeable future is DVB-T streams and plain vanilla DVD's (most of them ripped)

[21:15:02]

fedder:

None of which are HD...

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amdragon:

hello, I'm going to reload my new mythtv box any suggestions to keep my recording?

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amdragon:

Whats the best way to backup and restore the database?

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Aval0n:

guys if I have an xvid can I watch it by putting it in the /usr/share/mythtv/videos folder?

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xris:

Aval0n: should work

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fedder:

sulan: Just checked, my DVB-T streams are only 576p, so I'd imagine I'd be home safe with a Mac Mini :-)

[21:18:03]

sulan:

fedder: 720p input stream, it's the decoding that's the difficult part it seems (tried using both 'standard' and 'libmpeg2')

[21:18:28]

amdragon:

Avalon is there where your Mythvideos plugin looks?

[21:18:32]

sulan:

fedder: yes, most likely (as it's what I'm successfully viewing now)

[21:18:45]

Aval0n:

I belive so

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elb:

so, my myth never seems to delete live TV recordings, even though they setup says they're to be deleted after 1 day — any ideas as to why not?

[21:19:14]

fedder:

sulan: Great. Especially since a Mac Mini has a very high wife acceptance factor here (and building a low noise PC from scratch is likely to cost significantly more than a Mac Mini)

[21:19:20]

fedder:

sul

[21:19:22]

fedder:

...

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fedder:

sulan: What remote do you use, and what noiselevels do you experience from the Mac Mini, when using it on a day to day basis?

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elb:

I just built a "low noise" PC essentially for free

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elb:

it doesn't take anything particularly fancy, if you have the resources to use an nfs root

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elb:

(which lets you spin down the disk)

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fedder:

elb: As in PXE boot from your mythbackend box?

[21:21:57]

elb:

the CPU fan in the box I got (second hand, for free) is noisier than I would like, but not noticable once the audio is on

[21:22:07]

elb:

I boot from hard disk, but yeah — originally it was PXE

[21:22:43]

elb:

(booting from hard disk is somewhat faster; the hard disk has /boot, some swap, and a giant empty partition which I use for mytharchive DVD authoring)

[21:23:00]

elb:

(it's spun down after 20 minutes idle, and manually in /etc/rc.local with hdparm -y)

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elb:

booting is ... not fast

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elb:

and myth is somewhat chatty with the filesystem, apparently, so you can't just spin down an installed disk, unfortunately

[21:24:42]

elb:

but once it's booted, it runs all right; starting a module for the first time is a bit sluggish

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fedder:

I still find it difficult to find a suiteable Flex-ATX or mini-ITX mobo, that enables me to build a complete system for less than I can get a brand new Mac Mini for

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elb:

the major advantage being that you can use a PC someone else is throwing away ;-)

[21:25:16]

elb:

see, I used a PC being discarded from a local computer lab

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fedder:

It still needs a decent CPU, DVI and a wife compatible box...

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elb:

an old P4 (first-generation, with PC133 RAM)

[21:26:07]

elb:

this one happens to be an IBM with a black cabinet, so it doesn't look essentially different from the stack of AV equipment it's on top of

[21:26:17]

elb:

(my amplifier and MD deck are both black)

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fedder:

So is my TV

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elb:

anyway, I'm not saying it's the answer to life, the universe, and everything

[21:27:34]

elb:

just that if you have old PC hardware laying around, you might be able to eliminate a lot of the "PC noise" by simply cutting the hdd out of the equation

[21:27:40]

elb:

in my case, that was probably 75% of the noise

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fedder:

Is Intel 910 onboard graphics OK? -I'm not planning to run compiz or anything fancy...

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elb:

I don't know

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elb:

I'm using some ancient nvidia card

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elb:

420MX or something

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fedder:

I'm a Linux newbie, but isn't NVidia the one with the best linux drivers, except for Intel (but their graphics cards are shit compared to NVidia)...

[21:32:27]

djbeenie_:

can someone help me... i have a wintv pvr 150, in my mythsetup, what should my card say /dev/v4l/video0 video24 video 32 ..im using the svideo connection

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elb:

well, in this case, this card is old enough that I have to use "legacy" drivers, with known long-standing bugs

[21:34:23]

elb:

unfortunately

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fedder:

elb: I'm planning on using a dual 1GHz P3 box with three 500GB SATA 300 disks as backend, with a dual Hauppauge PCI DVB-T tuner card in it.

[21:36:38]

elb:

an advantage being that the card is old enough to not require a fan :-)

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nordle:

Anyone reported any problems with UK xmltv grab from RadioTimes?

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elb:

that should be plenty enough, fedder

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amdragon:

fedder the intel linux support is pretty good.

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elb:

I have a dual PIII 550 that I use as a backend, with a Hauppauge PVR-550

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elb:

it was marginal when I had it doing encoding itself, but with the hardware encoder (which a DVB card is essentially equivalent to, as the stream is pre-encoded), it's plenty enough

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elb:

err, PVR-500

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djbeenie_:

can someone help me... i have a wintv pvr 150, in my mythsetup, what should my card say /dev/v4l/video0 video24 video 32 ..im using the svideo connection

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amdragon:

The 910 is a decent card, it's doen't have a built in video decoder like the nvidia cards

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fedder:

Since the DVB-T tuners basically give a MPEG-2 stream, there shouldn't be much CPU load even when encoding

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elb:

djbeenie_: do not paste over and over

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bsdfox_:

for non-gaming the intel cards are great in linux

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elb:

fedder: right

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djbeenie_:

elb sorry my cat walked over my keyboard

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amdragon:

I agree with bsdfox, I've got compiz running on an 810 card at work.

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fedder:

amdragon: But coupled with a Intel Core Duo processor I guess It would be OK...

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fedder:

amdragon: Are you serious?

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amdragon:

what password is mysqldump looking for?

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amdragon:

I put in the database password, and the password for the mythbackend

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am_dragon:

I don't get it "mysqldump -u mythtv -p ******* mythconverg -c > name.sql" then it asks for a password, I just gave the password.

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Aval0n:

wth

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Aval0n:

I started playing the xvid

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Aval0n:

and everyone sounds like chipmunks

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Aval0n:

the remote is non-responsive now

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Aval0n:

I can't even back to main menu

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tcpsyn:

anyone using mythfrontend on yellowdoglinux?

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am_dragon:

Is there anything besides the database I should backup before I reload my MythTV box?

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am_dragon:

backend/frontend.

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tcpsyn:

yeah

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tcpsyn:

get the lirc.conf

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tcpsyn:

xorg.conf

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tcpsyn:

that's all I can think of

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am_dragon:

k

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am_dragon:

got those, xorg drove me nuts, so I didn't miss that one, and no remote yet.

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tcpsyn:

then you should be alright

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am_dragon:

alright then here we go...

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tcpsyn:

good luck

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nordle:

Well, in case anyone else mentions it, there is a problem with the xmltv .dat file for UK from Radiotimes http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . =xmltv-users

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mchou:

CSI sucks

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mchou:

it's turned into an informercial for a video game

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am_dragon:

Now how to I restore my backed up database on the new machine

[23:29:06]

mchou:

can't get any lamer than this

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mchou:

should have went riding instead of watching that lameass show

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venger:

anyone here having an issue were X -verbose 6 reveals that NVIDIA driver is excluding modes because it thinks 120hz? (WW) NVIDIA(0): Mode is rejected: VertRefresh (120.1 Hz) out of range , none of my modes indicate they are that high and in this case that particular modes is 60hz, so its like its doubleing the refresh rate...

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am_dragon:

do you have horizsync and vertrefresh lines in your monitor section?

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d00gster0:

is there a guide I can use to get a matrox g550 with tv-out going for Mythtv? one that is recent maybe for debian. I compile my own kernel.....

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d00gster0:

thanks in advance

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venger:

yes i do am_dragon

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rooaus:

venger: From memory I think that has something to do with interlacing, calculate your vertical refersh, it may in fact be 60.05. Can't remember what I did about it, think I tweaked the refresh a bit (custom modeline).

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fedder:

What's the default location for the mythtv config file?

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cesman:

huh?

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venger:

rooaus, right, but i still think this is a bug because the mode clearly states it is 60hz before its invalidated for the mode pool

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cesman:

fedder: there is no mythtv config file to speakof...

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hendrixski:

fedder, there's probably a few

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cesman:

most of the configuration options are kept in the db

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cesman:

fedder: there is mysql.txt

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hendrixski:

fedder, have you checked in the ~/.myth folder?

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fedder:

I'm looking for the backend TV-Tuner settigns

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hendrixski:

cesman, ah, that's the one I was thinking of

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fedder:

Well; I'm trying to get mythbackend to use a Hauppauge Nova T 500 PCI DVB-T tuner, but am failing miserably

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cesman:

fedder: all of that is kept in the db

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cesman:

fedder: mythtv-setup

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cesman:

hendrixski: /etc/mythtv/ or ~/.mythtv/

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hendrixski:

cesman, do you know who's in charge of the wiki? 'cause I signed up for an account this morning and never got a confirmation email so I can't start adding what I learned today (that the internal player is pulled from ffmpeg + mods)

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cesman:

hendrixski: I've no idea

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fedder:

I've got /dev/devb/adaptor{0,1} and some subdirs below those. What should I enter in mythtv-setup?

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