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Tuesday, October 23rd, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:25] gotthardt: i guess you are out of ideas too
[00:00:52] Spicerun: Hello. I can't compile mythtv-0.20.2. I keep getting qt_display() is not global in scope errors? Anyone know what I'm missing on my system?
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[00:04:04] directhex: Spicerun, qt3 development libs?
[00:04:35] Spicerun: directhex: I believe so, as supplied by gentoo.
[00:04:49] Spicerun: But I'll recheck it.
[00:04:56] directhex: Spicerun, qt3. not 4. please double-check
[00:05:11] Spicerun: directhex: Definitely qt3 (3.3.8)
[00:06:46] directhex: doesn't 3.3.8 have some massive bug in it? let me check
[00:08:20] directhex: ubuntu certainly abandoned 3.3.8, and reverted to 3.3.7
[00:08:59] Spicerun: directhex: Ok, I'll check into that, and revert my own then. Thanks.
[00:10:47] leprechau: hrm...my mythtv on my arch box is compiled against 3.3.8
[00:11:18] gotthardt: mythweb prob::  – found the prob::: LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so was missing from httpd.conf
[00:11:27] leprechau: lol
[00:11:32] gotthardt: the file was empty
[00:11:34] leprechau: gotthardt, that was like the second thing i said
[00:11:37] gotthardt: dunno why
[00:11:51] gotthardt: thanks
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[00:12:42] bsdfox_: httpd.conf shouldn't be empty
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[00:14:11] gotthardt: do you have a copy of what should be in there? i could use the rest
[00:14:34] Der_Thomas: hey, anyone around that is familiar with the "visualizations" in mythmusic?
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[00:15:06] Der_Thomas: my FE isn't quite powerful enugh to show them all full screen and I want to limit which ones it shows
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[00:15:50] leprechau: Der_Thomas, use goom and then set the double texture option
[00:15:57] leprechau: it works wonders on low end hardware
[00:16:10] leprechau: im running it on a p3 850 with a gf4 mx 4000
[00:16:34] Der_Thomas: leprechau: how do you set options?
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[00:17:18] leprechau: here lemme look at my tv screen and i'll tell you
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[00:18:45] leprechau: settings ... music settings... playback ... set height and width of scalling to 2
[00:18:47] leprechau: visual scalling
[00:18:53] leprechau: then just make goom the default vis
[00:19:06] Der_Thomas: OK let me try
[00:19:08] Der_Thomas: brb
[00:23:37] Der_Thomas: Ah ha!
[00:23:39] Der_Thomas: Cool
[00:23:40] Der_Thomas: thanks
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[00:24:16] leprechau: np
[00:24:22] leprechau: that look better to you?
[00:24:24] jordan_: I'm back – kdubya that worked, unfortunately
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[00:25:04] jordan_: !seen kdubya
[00:25:04] MythLogBot: kdubya was last seen 12 minutes 53 seconds ago
[00:25:17] Der_Thomas: yeah, it is still a little choppy, but now I know where to play with this
[00:25:25] jordan_: !seen Tanthrix
[00:25:25] MythLogBot: Tanthrix is here and has been idle for 1 hour 32 minutes 55 seconds
[00:25:42] jordan_: !seen iamlindoro
[00:25:42] MythLogBot: iamlindoro was last seen 1 hour 16 minutes 1 second ago
[00:26:07] Der_Thomas: !?
[00:27:13] jordan_: So.. new problem. My backend is upstairs behind 2 4 way splitters and really not that long of cable. I guess the Kworld card I'm using needs a TON of signal to get anything.
[00:27:24] Der_Thomas: Anyone know if it is possiable to set one set of buttons to change the channel of live tv immediatly and another to browse?
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[00:28:46] leprechau: Der_Thomas, don't think so...think you have to either choose immediate or the click + select method
[00:30:03] Der_Thomas: Yeah that is what I was thinking too
[00:33:54] Der_Thomas: OK, since we are on a roll here, another question:
[00:34:16] Der_Thomas: Has anyone here SUCCESSFULLY compiled mupen64_nogui?
[00:38:01] Der_Thomas: OK Guess that one is outside the scope of Mythtv
[00:39:07] Der_Thomas: Anyone know how to get rid of the "Yes Exit and Shutdown" Option or completely remove the option to stop mythfrontend?
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[01:11:00] mog: hi
[01:11:00] mog: is there a way to swap chanel inputs?
[01:11:00] mog: i have three tuners and i want to cycle through them all on my recording
[01:13:20] Der_Thomas: I probably don't know the answer to that anyway, but I don't think that I understand the question
[01:13:35] mog: im watching channel 5 for example
[01:13:39] mog: i have three tuners
[01:13:49] Der_Thomas: you want to record the same thing 3x ?
[01:13:50] mog: i want to cycle threw all the tuners on that channel
[01:13:59] mog: sure you could say that
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[01:14:58] Der_Thomas: hmmm
[01:15:22] Der_Thomas: I only have 1 tuner so I haven't looked at this much but I think that threre is a button that swaps tuners
[01:15:53] Der_Thomas: try pushing 'Y'
[01:16:06] Der_Thomas: that is suppoded to swap capture cards
[01:16:35] mog: that did it
[01:16:36] mog: thanks
[01:16:39] mog: i couldnt
[01:17:24] Der_Thomas: no prob. I just looked in the Edit Keys part of the setup
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[01:20:32] mog: missed it i guess
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[01:44:16] tzanger: I added a channel mapping to an existing system, and tol the tuners to use that new mapping, I see guide data but absolutely nothing is recording now
[01:44:25] tzanger: even if I delete a recording schedule and create a new one
[01:45:21] tzanger: any ideas?
[01:47:03] Der_Thomas: Sorry Tzanger, I can't think of anything
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[02:01:00] Aval0n: hey fellas
[02:01:02] Aval0n: what's shakin
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[02:03:34] Der_Thomas: nada AvalOn
[02:03:36] Der_Thomas: you?
[02:04:17] Aval0n: chillin
[02:04:23] Aval0n: bout to play some UT3 demo
[02:04:43] Der_Thomas: cool
[02:04:53] Der_Thomas: nice and free right
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[02:16:39] rushfan: what would cause mythtv's volume to suddenly go dead if the rest of ym computer works fine?
[02:16:44] rushfan: err, my othre sound apps work fine
[02:17:31] Der_Thomas: I had this problem where I the user that was running myth didn't belong to the audio group
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[02:17:49] Der_Thomas: I accidently removed all groups instead of just adding another one
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[02:18:27] rushfan: Der_Thomas: no this happened while mythtv was running
[02:18:33] rushfan: i was just watching it and suddenly, boom
[02:18:34] rushfan: no audio
[02:18:45] Der_Thomas: hmmm
[02:18:49] Der_Thomas: interesting
[02:18:53] Der_Thomas: no idea
[02:19:02] Der_Thomas: try rtestarting the audio device
[02:19:04] bsdfox_: rushfan: maybe the driver crashes or something?
[02:19:20] bsdfox_: does sound work from other programs or completely broken?
[02:19:28] bsdfox_: you'll probably see an error in the logs :)
[02:20:01] rushfan: bsdfox_: it works from other programs :|
[02:20:17] bsdfox_: what version of mythtv did you compile?
[02:20:27] rushfan: [mpeg2video @ 0x2b3620c17150]ac-tex damaged at 2 29
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[02:21:02] rushfan: .20.2
[02:21:52] rushfan: well its definetely just livetv. When I watched recordings the volume is fine :|
[02:21:57] rushfan: Ill guess that the driver crashe
[02:22:09] bsdfox_: weird
[02:22:14] bsdfox_: try restarting mythfrontend?
[02:22:15] rushfan: anyhow Im off to bed
[02:22:16] rushfan: peace
[02:22:19] rushfan: thanks for the help
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[02:22:23] bsdfox_: if that doesn't fix it I'd guess it's from the backend
[02:22:26] bsdfox_: good luck
[02:22:28] rushfan: restarting frotnend didnt help
[02:22:29] rushfan: def. backend
[02:22:47] bsdfox_: probably the capture driver failed
[02:22:53] bsdfox_: or are you using line-in from soundcarD?
[02:23:15] rushfan: I restarted the backend and still no dice
[02:23:23] rushfan: bsdfox_: Im using the tv tuner card for audio
[02:23:30] bsdfox_: which card?
[02:24:07] rushfan: PVR-150
[02:24:28] rushfan: there isnt a mythtv volume control thing, is there?
[02:24:30] bsdfox_: oh, those drivers are quite good. you might try upgrading ivtv or your kernel
[02:24:45] bsdfox_: I think it just adjusts pcm volume (F10/F11)
[02:25:02] bsdfox_: but the fact that recorded stuff works and livetv doesn't makes me think it's a backend issue
[02:25:29] rushfan: yeah volume is 100%
[02:25:33] rushfan: I think osmething just crashed
[02:25:39] rushfan: since it stopped abruptly in the middle
[02:25:51] rushfan: Whatever I shut my computer down at night anyhow cause my room gets too damn hot
[02:26:02] rushfan: Maybe itll work tommorow morning when it reboots the drivers
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[02:35:12] bsdfox_: probably will
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[02:36:25] mikeones: hello
[02:36:54] mikeones: can anyone tell me what is wrong with my audio? http://pastebin.ca/746253
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[02:37:23] mikeones: this is a pvr-350 and adio does not work
[02:37:48] bsdfox_: I'll take a look in a sec
[02:37:57] mikeones: xris: can you tell me what is wrong with my audio? http://pastebin.ca/746253
[02:39:39] bsdfox_: mikeones: try upgrading ivtv
[02:45:30] mikeones: under mythfronend -> Genral settings sould I set audio output to /dev/mixer of alsa?
[02:45:36] mikeones: *or
[02:46:01] mikeones: bsdfox_:
[02:46:02] mikeones: ivtvctl --version
[02:46:02] mikeones: ivtvctl version 1.0.2 (tagged release)
[02:47:15] mikeones: ivtv: version 1.0.0 (2.6.22.9-slh64-smp-1 SMP preempt mod_unload ) loading
[02:47:42] mikeones: bsdfox_: this worked before.
[02:49:41] bsdfox_: mikeones: looks like I'm using in-kernel drivers
[02:49:53] bsdfox_: 2.6.22 but don't have ivtv installed
[02:49:59] bsdfox_: I have a pvr-500 and pvr-250
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[02:50:53] mikeones: do you use alsa for sound?
[02:51:57] bsdfox_: on the backend? don't think so
[02:52:03] bsdfox_: frontend I do
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[02:52:59] mikeones: my recordings do not have sound
[02:53:48] bsdfox_: anything in the backend log?
[02:54:29] mikeones: http://pastebin.ca/746253
[03:00:54] bsdfox_: oh yeah
[03:01:07] bsdfox_: no idea sorry
[03:01:17] bsdfox_: looks like a stupid driver issue though
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[03:47:42] mikeones: anyone know what this means?
[03:47:47] mikeones: 2007-10–22 22:46:22.071 NVP: Disabling Audio, params(-1,-1,-1)
[03:47:47] mikeones: 2007-10–22 22:46:22.072 NVP: Disabling Audio, params(0,-1,-1)
[03:48:30] leprechau: ehh...no idea sorry man
[03:49:04] mikeones: thanks
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[04:01:04] leprechau: what are you doing when it happens?
[04:01:21] leprechau: and does it affect anything...or do they seem harmless?
[04:01:36] mikeones: noaudio
[04:02:46] leprechau: wish i knew where to look....have you tried google or wiki searching yet?
[04:03:02] mikeones: yep, just no luck
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[04:12:24] banyan: Hello... where is the setting for mythfrontend's audio output? Mine's trying to user OSS and I'm getting a warning about how /dev/dsp is busy.
[04:12:33] banyan: which is a new thing that wasn't happening before...
[04:13:51] mishehu: yes, you can change it to ALSA
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[04:21:01] banyan: How long ago was it that oss was the default?
[04:21:15] banyan: I still had /dev/dsp
[04:22:36] banyan: I ask because I hope the default is not still dev/dsp if it should be ALSA:default.
[04:28:18] bsdfox__: it's probably your distro
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[04:45:51] tcpsyn__: I just bought an antenna from lowes
[04:45:56] tcpsyn__: eh. crap
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[05:48:41] Octane: anyone know how i can to erase all of my listings?
[05:48:47] Octane: anyone know how i can erase all of my listings?*
[05:48:53] Octane: besides through the database
[05:49:04] bsdfox__: delete the video source?
[05:49:19] Octane: bsdfox__ im trying to clear my listings from the db through the commandline
[05:49:51] bsdfox__: gotta use mysql then
[05:51:41] cesman: I suppose if you want to erase all, you'll then run mythfilldatabase?
[05:51:46] Octane: yes
[05:51:51] Octane: after i clear it out
[05:51:57] Octane: you see, my cable company changed their lineup on me
[05:51:59] cesman: why not do it all with mythfilldatabase --refresh-all
[05:52:15] bsdfox__: man mythfilldatabase has some cool options :)
[05:52:25] Octane: because im using a legacy schedules direct since im running .18
[05:52:31] cesman: man, man is cool! ;)
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[07:11:12] jasa: hey anyone knows how i can make mythtv to add encrypted channels to list on channel search ?
[07:11:47] jasa: im using ubuntu 7.10 and installed mythtv from repos and it seems to just skip those enctyped channels =(
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[07:29:04] directhex: jasa, there's a tickbox marked "free to air only" or somesuch
[07:30:08] jasa: yeah but ticking that to any point doesnt do anything, atleast for scan....
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[07:46:02] kormoc: jasa, if they're encrypted, you can't watch them with myth anyway
[07:46:43] jasa: =)
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[07:51:16] directhex: kormoc, what about a hard cam though?
[07:51:29] kormoc: myth wouldn't detect them as encrypted then
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[08:35:55] adante: is it possible to import a channels.conf into myth for digital tv anymore?
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[08:39:38] directhex|work: adante, yes, but there's assorted missing data such as EIT info if you do it
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[08:44:50] adante: directhex|work: hm, where does one go to do it, i can't seem to find the option anymore
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[09:21:11] Criggie: Hey all – ever since upgrading to kernel 2.6.22 (and using the in-tree ivtv modules) my tuner cards have been worse quality... one is noticeably worse than the other, despite having one aerial and a splitter. Both cards were fine with kernel 2.6.17 (and the correct ivtv version) Cards are both hauppauge PVR-150 with slightly different revisions.
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[09:21:40] kormoc: So... downgrade?
[09:21:52] Criggie: has something happened when the kernel absorbed the ivtv stuff?
[09:22:14] Criggie: kormoc: yeah could do...
[09:23:16] cesman: Criggie: perhaps reporting this to the ivtv mailing list?
[09:24:12] Criggie: cesman: can-do... I've been banging on this for a week or so now, thought I'd ask a quick question here in case I'd missed something
[09:24:25] Criggie: just to get on the right track and all
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[09:51:29] cesman: Criggie: I understand, but that would be the best place to find out more
[09:57:43] Criggie: yes true – sorry.
[09:57:47] Criggie: g'night all
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[10:19:48] tzanger: in the database, I have a number (174) of rows which would indicate to me that I have upcoming recordings
[10:20:15] tzanger: yet mythweb shows nothing upcoming, and indeed nothing has been recording since I rearranged the recording inputs
[10:20:23] tzanger: the program guide, however, looks good
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[10:20:56] tzanger: I've also deleted a recording schedule and re-added it from the program guide just to see if that would fix it, but still no upcoming recording
[10:20:59] tzanger: any ideas?
[10:22:56] tzanger: mythbackend shows the odd scheudling log line but it's always 0 jobs
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[11:10:38] Elod: hi there.
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[11:34:09] j2^: Hello!
[11:34:39] ben234: hi im installing the nova-td stick on ubuntu 7.10, im installed the firmware but im not sure what next todo
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[12:26:21] Esotericisms: I moved locations, changed my line up, redid the channels for my input, now I can't watch any of my old shows, or the new shows that get recorded ... why are some of my shows recording as NUV again?
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[14:02:32] Esotericisms: I moved to a new location and changed my lineup and I readded the tuner card and the channels for the card ... now all the shows that record are NUV and not MPG ... and the file sizes are like 170k instead of 2–3 gb ... I need HELP pelase
[14:03:38] Esotericisms: can anyone help?
[14:04:36] sphery: Esotericisms: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034
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[14:05:16] sphery: Also, sounds like you may have selected "V4L" instead of "PVR-x50/500" for card type.
[14:05:38] sphery: but start over after a Delete all (for capture cards and video sources)
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[14:52:23] linagee: hey! all my mythtv is recording is something about san diego fires. :(
[14:52:27] linagee: wtf
[14:52:35] linagee: where's my heros episodes!
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[14:53:40] directhex|work: linagee, using what kind of tuner?
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[14:56:19] linagee: directhex|work: pvr250
[14:56:34] linagee: directhex: it could be because there are fires and i am in san diego, but still this sucks. :(
[14:57:01] adante: is it possible to run mythtv-setup without opengl?
[14:57:02] linagee: directhex: you'd think they would just put news on a news channel
[14:57:02] directhex|work: linagee, how do you manage changing the channel? is myth recording from the channel it thinks it is?
[14:57:06] directhex|work: adante, yes
[14:57:15] adante: directhex|work: how do i do it?
[14:57:18] linagee: directhex|work: it's a fully working system
[14:57:22] directhex|work: adante, it's a seekrit!
[14:57:32] linagee: directhex|work: i'm just pissed at the networks
[14:57:36] directhex|work: adante, "-o ThemePainter=Qt"
[14:58:49] adante: directhex|work: sorry, how do i use that? :s
[14:59:34] directhex|work: adante, by running "mythtv-setup -o ThemePainter=Qt"? ¬_¬
[14:59:49] adante: directhex|work: hurm ok yeah i tried that, it said invalid argument -o
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[15:01:01] johnadsfsdfdf: im having a problem with mythtv, everytime i rewind during a recording it crashes when i get to the beginning... any ideas?
[15:02:33] sphery: Technically, it's "-O ThemePainter=qt", though with the capital Q in QT it would work, but only as a side-effect because though Qt isn't recognized, qt is the default for when a bad value is provided... The dash capital Oh is mandatory, though.
[15:03:21] sphery: adante: Really, though, you should /only/ use a command-line override if you broke your config to the point you can't run the frontend to change the setting.
[15:03:37] sphery: adante: Then, use the override to run the frontend, then go to settings and change the setting correctly.
[15:03:57] sphery: adante: Note, also, that's only the OpenGL used in the menus. It's not the OpenGL used during playback.
[15:04:17] sphery: johnadsfsdfdf: LiveTV or a recording?
[15:04:49] johnadsfsdfdf: a recording
[15:06:12] sphery: johnadsfsdfdf: no ideas then... I was going to say I'm not surprised if it's instability in LiveTV, but in recordings it shouldn't crash.
[15:06:24] adante: sphery: unfortunately, opengl on my system is broken for varios hilarious reasons, so while i rebuild my kernel to get that working again i'm just trying to fix mythtv on the side
[15:06:43] sphery: johnadsfsdfdf: The technically correct answer is http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 , but compiling a debug-enabled build may not be what you want to do.
[15:07:55] adante: sphery: okay, i tried running with -O ThemePainter=Qt, it is still now showing any menus
[15:08:27] sphery: now = not?
[15:08:44] sphery: no icons or just no text
[15:08:55] johnadsfsdfdf: sphery: i was having some problems with opengl, but i think i got them all fixed... it was a driver issue with my video card
[15:08:55] adante: still not i mean, yeah
[15:08:57] sphery: sounds like you may need to install MS core web forts
[15:09:02] johnadsfsdfdf: the menus were really slow
[15:09:10] adante: actually sorry correction it is, just a bit slow
[15:09:48] adante: okay, is there a way to specify a channels.conf to import channels in? mythtv does not seem to scan them correctly
[15:09:57] adante: (i think)
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[16:39:32] djc__: hrm. i have lirc and lirc-devel installed, yet i cant seem to find any modules for specific hardware
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[16:39:56] djc__: i just gave in and bought the ms mce remote kit from a local retail place
[16:40:17] djc__: now I want to make sure it can work
[16:41:21] fryfrog: what does the lirc site say?
[16:41:27] djc__: hrm.. apparently the fedora rpms dont include them, but it looks like atrpms does
[16:41:28] djc__: how stupid
[16:41:32] fryfrog: for the most part, i think they are not hardware specific modules?
[16:41:41] fryfrog: more like "usb" or "serial" module?
[16:41:44] djc__: why the fuck would you make a lirc rpm that didnt include any modules
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[16:42:36] djc__: or include seperate rpms with the modules.. seems odd to have to go to a 3rd party repo to get something thats part of fedora to do anything
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[16:57:59] djc__: sigh.. ok.. ive got the remote itself working. i can see events with irw.
[16:58:03] djc__: ive got myth fe working..
[16:58:13] djc__: how do I tell fe to accept commands fromt he remote?
[16:58:53] Hoxzer: you need to configure .lircrc O_O
[16:58:58] djc__: eg, how do I connect myth and lirc ?
[16:59:25] Hoxzer: Actually you just need to run lircd and have a working .lircrc and it should work
[16:59:28] djc__: ive looked at a number of 'setting up lirc and mythtv' and nothing gets to that part
[16:59:35] djc__: where/how do I get a working .lircrc?
[16:59:44] djc__: where does that go? how do I know what to put in it?
[16:59:55] Hoxzer: in ~/.mythtv
[17:00:00] Hoxzer: oops it is lircrc :P
[17:00:11] djc__: still doesnt tell me what to put in it
[17:00:40] Hoxzer: well do you have sample already ?
[17:00:52] djc__: not that I know of.. where would it be?
[17:00:58] djc__: nothing ive looked at so far has even mentioned it
[17:01:02] Hoxzer: in the ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[17:01:33] djc__: nope.. not there
[17:02:33] djc__: hrm.. i found a sample one in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.20.2/configfiles/lircrc.example.. copied it to .mythtv, restarted fe, nothing
[17:03:21] Hoxzer: Yep, you need to setup correct "button="'s there
[17:03:27] djc__: is that a file that myth reads that tells it to look at lirc, or is that file lirc reads to tell it to send messages to myth?
[17:03:28] Hoxzer: just check them from /etc/lircd
[17:04:07] djc__: in any case, i have to leave now, i'll have to fiddle with it later
[17:04:20] Hoxzer: check lirc docs
[17:04:24] Hoxzer: there everything is
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[17:05:55] sebrock: Any thoughts on Gigabyte GA-G33M-S2H as motherboard for my new frontend?
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[17:12:00] ben234: hi, ive just setup another pc to add to my mythtv system, it has two dvb tuners in it, i want to run it as the slave backend. I set this up to do this (i think), but now the tuners in the slave show as
[17:12:00] ben234: (currently not connected).
[17:12:09] ben234: but it is currently connected
[17:13:01] ben234: anyone have any ideas why?
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[18:00:33] gpd: Just upgraded to Gutsy from Feisty and having trouble with lircd – anyone reported anything similar?
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[18:12:09] gpd: I have a Nova T PCI and all was fine under feisty :(
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[18:13:48] siXy: ubuntu has such silly release names :)
[18:14:41] ** gpd wonders if something changed with 2.6.22 kernel and lirc **
[18:15:00] Andycasss: Could someone help me please, i have seemed to lost my sound both in mythtv and in general ubuntu 7.10
[18:15:02] siXy: gpd, dont think so
[18:15:19] siXy: Andycasss: try #ubuntu
[18:15:28] bsdfox_: gpd: I run it on 2.6.22 and 2.6.23
[18:15:29] Patina: Andycasss: Try your mixer settings.
[18:15:38] Andycasss: Yeah, I tried that but noone payed attention :(
[18:15:49] Andycasss: Ive tried mixer settings, they are maxed
[18:16:09] Patina: Andycasss: Are the muted?
[18:16:10] bsdfox_: I think it's funny how all the ubuntu guys ask questions in here :P
[18:16:20] Andycasss: unmuted and maxed
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[18:17:20] siXy: Andycasss: you probably are not asking you question in the right way. or maybe you just need to be patient
[18:17:23] Patina: Andycasss: Then it works and you have gone deaf.
[18:18:00] Andycasss: Patina, I seriously doubt that, i can hear people speaking around me :P
[18:18:53] Andycasss: Sixy, I tried asking my question several times and noone payed attention, i guess my English isnt so great either...
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[18:19:46] gpd: bah — all fixed
[18:19:59] gpd: silly dpkg upgrade script changing my .conf files
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[18:20:41] gpd: Andycasss: if you are like me i had to install snd-intel-hd (?)
[18:20:44] siXy: an upgrade overwrote your .conf files? and people continue to use ubuntu? wow....
[18:21:57] Andycasss: My sound is: Intel's 82801BA
[18:23:41] gpd: siXy: actually i didn't pay attention when it asked me abouty my lirc card :(
[18:24:02] siXy: lirc card?
[18:24:07] siXy: whats a lirc card?
[18:25:17] ben234: its for infrared
[18:26:29] ben234: umm i ran mythtvfill on my slave is this bad?
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[18:26:45] gpd: Andycasss: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585909 <- worked for me
[18:26:48] siXy: ben234: i know what lirc is... theres no such thing as a 'lirc card' however :)
[18:27:06] ben234: you can get cards that just do infrared
[18:27:20] ben234: not one designed for lirc i dont think
[18:27:28] gpd: Andycasss: actually I had no modules loaded so looks like different problem
[18:28:00] siXy: ben234: lirc is software. that would be like saying 'kde card' or 'gnome card'.
[18:28:21] ben234: but lirc is hardware dependant unlike gnome
[18:28:50] ben234: so someone could make one just for lirc i guess
[18:29:10] siXy: ben234: yeah all you need to do to run gnome is print out the source code....
[18:29:32] siXy: </sarcasm>
[18:30:25] Andycasss: gpd: I have soundcard listed under device manager and aplay -1 showed my soundcard
[18:30:30] Andycasss: -l
[18:31:11] bsdfox_: how is lirc more hardware dependant than gnome
[18:31:20] bsdfox_: man this is #ubuntu today :(
[18:32:35] siXy: bsdfox_: yeah – not sure why myth is the overflow for ubuntu
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[18:36:49] gpd: bsdfox_: have you been in #ubuntu recently?
[18:37:34] gpd: Irssi: #ubuntu: Total of 1423 nicks <-- oO
[18:38:26] bsdfox_: no, thank god
[18:41:02] kormoc: ben234, lirc is a driver for hardware, but that doesn't mean there's a lirc card...
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[18:44:31] ben234: i know, i was just saying someone might make one, one day
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[18:51:11] Hoxzer: Hmm, Wierd my mythtv has suddenly ( I think after an update or when creating settings for another database user) started to do wierd things when some some buttons are pressed for example in live TV mode I get "5" when I press prev(esc) . Checked lircrc and it doesn't contain any dublicated info
[18:53:51] Hoxzer: doesn't do anything wierd when pressing normal buttons
[18:56:05] Hoxzer: I think it definetly has something wierd to do with me creating settings for another frontend :\
[18:56:29] Hoxzer: irw looks gr8
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[19:00:31] Hoxzer: wow ... dmesg has alot of errors :P
[19:00:59] Hoxzer: it might have something to do with two modules being setup in the same time
[19:01:58] Hoxzer: yeah, "DVB (msp430_ir_interrupt): no key for 17!
[19:02:19] Hoxzer: Strange thing is that I don even have IR in my card atm :D
[19:02:57] Hoxzer: hmm, it think it was loosely attachet :D
[19:04:03] Hoxzer: w00t problem solved
[19:04:06] Hoxzer: thx Hoxzer
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[19:06:16] majost: http://pastebin.ca/747077
[19:06:21] majost: I just got that error
[19:06:38] majost: I ran mysqlcheck --auto-repair mythconverg
[19:06:41] majost: and all was okay
[19:06:51] majost: so I am not sure what that error is all about
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[19:07:50] siXy: majost: mysqlcheck --help
[19:07:51] majost: the file it specifies in /tmp does not exsist either
[19:07:53] majost: =(
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[19:08:36] siXy: majost: its something like mysqlcheck -r mythconverg.*
[19:08:53] ** majost nods **
[19:09:33] majost: --auto-repair implies -c and -r
[19:11:00] siXy: majost: yeah. but iirc you need to tell it to repair the tables themselves
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[19:15:36] majost: ah
[19:15:48] majost: brb
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[19:23:19] Andycasss: Is there some sort of an easy way to install mythstream?
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[19:24:09] Andycasss: Ive tried an old compiled package (0.17.2–2) but it fails to run with the new mythtv..
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[19:26:09] xijio: what is the most recomended ATSC tuner for use with mythtv?
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[19:28:47] armbar: hello
[19:30:02] armbar: I have a PVR-350 remote and want to know if I need some sort of ir reciever?
[19:30:18] armbar: I think my minitx has one built in
[19:30:24] siXy: armbar: not unless you want to use it
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[19:36:01] armbar: thanks
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[19:39:16] siXy: armbar: there should have been one that came with your tv card
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[19:55:34] gotthardt: i need to clear the table in the database that has recordings -
[19:55:43] gotthardt: so i can start over
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[19:57:11] gotthardt: and i cant use delete in mythweb cuz it doesnt work
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[19:57:34] gotthardt: i get these: MainServer::HandleQueryRecordings()
[19:57:36] gotthardt: Couldn't find backend for:
[19:57:38] gotthardt: Pushing Daisies : "Wed Oct 10 20:00:00 2007"
[19:59:03] gotthardt: i have run optimize_mythdb.pl
[20:02:43] gotthardt: any help?
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[20:06:19] Andycasss: when trying to compile mythstream i get errors like "mythstream.h:31:28: error: mythtv/uitypes.h: No such file or directory
[20:06:19] Andycasss: mythstream.h:32:29: error: mythtv/xmlparse.h: No such file or directory
[20:06:19] Andycasss: mythstream.h:33:32: error: mythtv/oldsettings.h: No such file or directory
[20:06:19] Andycasss: mythstream.h:34:32: error: mythtv/mythwidgets.h: No such file or directory
[20:06:19] Andycasss: mythstream.h:35:32: error: mythtv/mythdialogs.h: No such file or directory"
[20:07:18] fryfrog: sounds like you didn't get a full checkout?
[20:07:31] Andycasss: Im sorry, whats that?
[20:07:45] Andycasss: Excuse my silly questions, im running linux for 3rd day
[20:07:45] fryfrog: i mean, if it is complaining about missing files...
[20:07:50] fryfrog: oh :/
[20:07:53] fryfrog: then why are you compiling?
[20:07:58] fryfrog: why not just use packages?
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[20:08:03] fryfrog: also, in the future
[20:08:07] fryfrog: don't paste that much crap to channel
[20:08:11] fryfrog: use pastebin.ca
[20:08:23] Andycasss: Okay, umm packages..
[20:08:38] psymin: Andycasss, Which distro you on?
[20:08:47] Andycasss: Ubuntu 7.10
[20:10:05] psymin: Andycasss, There might be info on getting the packages at this site: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[20:13:14] Andycasss: The sudo apt-get install mythstream installed 0.17.2 version, im trying to get 18 as the 17 didnt want to work with the newest mythtv
[20:14:48] psymin: Ah
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[20:16:28] iamlindoro: sorta looks like it wants to be compiled with the myth source in that directory
[20:16:54] iamlindoro: or perhaps wants configure to be run with --prefix=?
[20:18:09] Andycasss: Uhh, no idea
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[20:18:41] Andycasss: Maybe theres a .deb with the 0.18 version?
[20:19:15] Andycasss: Its getting late in here, gotta go to sleep. Ill be back tomorrow :P
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[20:21:21] iamlindoro: You need to read the mythstream docs
[20:21:39] iamlindoro: Your problem will be solved by doing the stuff in "requirements"
[20:21:51] iamlindoro: you didn't edit your prefix in mythstream.pro
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[20:22:02] iamlindoro: hahaha, doubt he saw that
[20:22:12] iamlindoro: maybe I shoulda just said, "RTFM"
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[20:25:29] fryfrog: wtf is mythstream anyway?
[20:25:47] iamlindoro: Who the f knows, I was just reading the manual for him... since he didn't :)
[20:25:55] xris: fryfrog: for watching web streams like podcasts
[20:25:58] iamlindoro: Looks like it streams URL video and audio into myth
[20:26:03] xris: er, not like podcasts.. like streaming music/video
[20:27:56] iamlindoro: Looks like it would be very cool, but more cool if it would stream into a file and insert into recordings
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[20:28:23] iamlindoro: Ah, no, my mistake, looks like it can
[20:28:50] iamlindoro: Too bad there's so little on the web worth watching :)
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[20:31:54] cesman: MythStream _does_ need the MythTV source to compile against
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[20:33:27] fryfrog: xris: does it stream things like youtube?
[20:33:40] iamlindoro: It seems to support flv, so one would assume it does
[20:34:09] fryfrog: ah
[20:34:16] cesman: The newest version does support YouTube
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[20:34:38] iamlindoro: cesman, is mythstream your project?
[20:34:50] xris: fryfrog: not a clue. I've never used it.
[20:35:26] fryfrog: so anyone dist-upgrade'd to 7.10 yet? on their myth systems, that is
[20:35:46] cesman: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html
[20:35:48] directhex: no. i'm scared :'(
[20:35:51] fryfrog: me too :)
[20:36:04] cesman: iamlindoro: no, but I've included it w/ KnoppMyth (my project) for some time now
[20:36:05] fryfrog: i from scratch installed gutsy on my laptop and my spare work pc
[20:36:26] iamlindoro: ah, seems like an interesting tool
[20:36:53] cesman: yes, MythStream is nice
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[20:37:13] iamlindoro: fryfrog, I did... only the expected issues (nvidia drivers, etc) and nothing too painful... although I'm using myth SVN, not packages
[20:37:23] fryfrog: svn here too
[20:37:26] fryfrog: head or?
[20:37:29] iamlindoro: trunk
[20:37:29] iamlindoro: yeah
[20:38:22] iamlindoro: Was only really concerned about the new eye candy stuff getting in the way, but no real issues
[20:38:49] fryfrog: spiffy, i might give it a whirl while the wife is at work
[20:38:49] iamlindoro: have a few issues with one or two prebuffering pauses right at the beginning of watching TV and then never again, but that may not be related
[20:38:51] fryfrog: on sunday
[20:39:40] iamlindoro: In the grand scheme of things, though, not too shabby
[20:39:58] fryfrog: course, i guess i don't actually have a *reason* to upgrade either :/
[20:40:21] iamlindoro: Haha, yeah, neither did I... I *actually* went Edgy->Feisty->Gutsy on the same day
[20:40:21] fryfrog: i keep hoping wireless on my laptop will just *work* after one of these updates/installs, but haven't cared enough to actually work on it
[20:40:31] iamlindoro: so any issue I had may have been related to one, the other, or both
[20:40:42] fryfrog: wow
[20:40:57] fryfrog: edgy -> feisty was pretty bad for me, i think
[20:41:08] fryfrog: or maybe it was the one before that?
[20:41:11] fryfrog: whorey?
[20:41:21] iamlindoro: ha
[20:41:22] fryfrog: bitchy badger
[20:41:24] fryfrog: or what ever it was
[20:41:32] fryfrog: d
[20:41:35] fryfrog: d...
[20:41:40] fryfrog: dagger?
[20:41:53] fryfrog: what was the one before edgy?
[20:41:59] iamlindoro: I think I did my upgrades and then did another make install on mplayer, mythtv, and mythplugins, so that may have helped iron out some kinks
[20:42:01] iamlindoro: dapper drake
[20:42:05] fryfrog: thats it
[20:42:17] fryfrog: dapper -> edgy went crappy for me once
[20:42:22] fryfrog: but all the others have been reasonable
[20:42:28] fryfrog: do you use the GUI dist-upgrade thing?
[20:42:29] iamlindoro: I was sweating it
[20:42:36] fryfrog: or just a real aptitude udpate/ dist-upgrade?
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[20:43:23] iamlindoro: Yeah, I changed my sources and did apt-get dist-upgrade, although they call it the "non-preferred" way of doing it (can't imagine why since their tool is just a gui for apt)
[20:43:45] fryfrog: thats what i usually do
[20:43:57] fryfrog: well
[20:44:10] fryfrog: cept the very last time, i used the gui tool
[20:44:23] fryfrog: i don't see what it'd do differently, but oh well
[20:44:37] directhex: it does some deborphan stuff at the end
[20:44:44] directhex: removes packages that are no longer supported
[20:44:55] iamlindoro: was just gonna say :)
[20:45:05] iamlindoro: although I have refused each time.. I need some of that stuff!
[20:45:15] fryfrog: what is "deborphan"?
[20:45:29] fryfrog: oh
[20:45:32] fryfrog: deb orphan :)
[20:45:35] fryfrog: reading++
[20:46:28] fryfrog: aptitude got 2 new options "safe-upgrade" and "full-upgrade" to use instead of "dist-upgrade"
[20:46:31] fryfrog: i noticed
[20:46:44] ben234: No settings found for this machines backend sever, even though its all been set, its a slave
[20:47:23] fryfrog: are you asking a question ben234 ?
[20:47:34] ben234: yes
[20:47:44] ben234: why does it say this?
[20:48:24] fryfrog: sorry, not sure. maybe you could go into detail about what lead up to this?
[20:49:00] iamlindoro: my first guess would be the SQL user hasn't been granted permissions for %
[20:49:46] fryfrog: good guess!
[20:50:06] fryfrog: ben234: what does "mysql -u mythtv -p -h <ip of backend> mythconverg" do ?
[20:50:32] ben234: ill try hang on
[20:52:26] ben234: its says im logged in
[20:52:48] fryfrog: so "show tables;" works?
[20:52:55] fryfrog: and you are doing this from the slave be that doesn't work?
[20:53:05] ben234: yes
[20:54:01] ben234: i can defintly write to the database from my slave
[20:54:07] fryfrog: maybe you could fire up this slave be with "mythbackend -v important -l /path/to/log/file.log" and read it?
[20:54:18] ben234: i did
[20:54:25] fryfrog: ah
[20:54:26] ben234: and it says
[20:54:29] fryfrog: and that was the only applicable line?
[20:54:33] ben234: No settings found for this machines backend sever
[20:54:45] fryfrog: and your mysql.txt for myth
[20:54:48] fryfrog: er, mythtv.txt
[20:54:48] fryfrog: ?
[20:54:52] fryfrog: shoot, what is it called?
[20:54:59] ben234: yes all the stuff is correct in there
[20:55:03] fryfrog: anyway, that .txt file points to your mysql server on the be?
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[20:55:05] fryfrog: humm, weird :/
[20:55:15] fryfrog: and it sounds like you ran mythtv-setup on your slave?
[20:55:27] ben234: can't i do that?
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[20:55:54] fryfrog: sorry, didn't mean to imply that was bad
[20:56:00] fryfrog: you have to, iirc
[20:56:10] ben234: whats that
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[20:56:33] fryfrog: if i recall correctly
[20:56:39] ben234: i have edited my.cnf
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[20:56:48] ben234: i think
[20:56:58] ben234: which files do i need to check for the correct info again
[20:57:08] ben234: just to double check i got the correct files
[20:57:16] fryfrog: i think "mysql.txt" is the one, and it can be in a few places
[20:57:20] fryfrog: like /etc/mythtv/?
[20:57:24] fryfrog: or ~/.mythtv/
[20:57:34] ben234: i think it was /var/lib/mythtv/mysql.txt
[20:57:34] fryfrog: or uh, prolly like /usr/share/mythtv
[20:57:47] fryfrog: yar, sure could be :)
[20:57:48] ben234: thats sounds like it
[20:58:20] ben234: oh there are 3 of them
[20:59:11] ben234: yep they are all fine
[20:59:22] fryfrog: you've stumped me :)
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[21:00:48] _mre|666: anybody got a minute for some questions? having some issues with permissions
[21:01:41] bsdfox_: ask it
[21:01:51] siXy: _mre|666: 1). dont ask to ask, or poll for activity. just ask. 2). is this really a mythtv question?
[21:01:56] _mre|666: ok... i got myth installed as a frontend
[21:02:01] _mre|666: it only runs as root
[21:02:07] _mre|666: won't run as a normal user
[21:02:13] _mre|666: i know it's permission based
[21:02:24] siXy: _mre|666: man chmod and man chown
[21:02:24] _mre|666: just need to know the dirs to chmod
[21:02:52] siXy: _mre|666: varies. often /usr/share/mythtv
[21:02:53] _mre|666: yeah... i know how to chmod and chown... just need to know the dirs :P
[21:03:07] _mre|666: sixxy: db usually in there too?
[21:03:15] siXy: do find / -type d -name 'mythtv*' if its not there
[21:03:49] siXy: _mre|666: the frontend connects to the mysql on the backend. it doesnt need a local db if the backend is a seperate machine.
[21:04:05] _mre|666: well
[21:04:10] _mre|666: the backend is on the same machine
[21:04:16] _mre|666: i have the loopback as the ip for that
[21:04:22] _mre|666: but it's acting strange
[21:04:40] siXy: as for where mysql is likely to be installed – that varies massively by distro/os. find / -type d -name 'mysql'
[21:04:48] _mre|666: yeah
[21:04:51] _mre|666: it's deb
[21:05:16] _mre|666: other than that it works great
[21:05:24] siXy: that should be running as user mysql
[21:05:34] siXy: and you shouldnt need to change that
[21:05:34] _mre|666: Weather and news addon doesn't work too well
[21:05:42] _mre|666: yeah...
[21:05:57] _mre|666: but should the backend run as root?
[21:06:00] siXy: _mre|666: weather and news were flaky last time i tried them. ymmv
[21:06:01] _mre|666: i have to execute the backend
[21:06:13] siXy: yeah the backend really wants to run as root
[21:06:15] _mre|666: sixxy: only thing the works well is the doplar
[21:06:18] _mre|666: ok
[21:06:28] _mre|666: then it's the frontend running as root that needs to be fixed
[21:07:02] _mre|666: wonder if i should make a crontab to run that backend at boot
[21:07:05] _mre|666: probably would be smart
[21:07:27] siXy: _mre|666: cronjob to run on boot??!
[21:07:32] siXy: no dont do that :)
[21:07:41] siXy: best thing is an initscript
[21:07:53] _mre|666: yeah... that's not a bad idea
[21:07:53] siXy: failing that rc.local or equivalent
[21:08:03] _mre|666: yeah... crontab would probably be bad
[21:08:24] _mre|666: ok... i'm going to try this
[21:08:29] _mre|666: brb, tnx for your help sixy
[21:08:45] siXy: nps
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[21:31:59] [miles]: evening
[21:32:44] [miles]: guys, I have lirc (finally) working and reciving button presses from my ir control... I'm trying to find out how to configure myth to recieve events... anyone help please?
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[21:39:16] _mre|666: damnit
[21:39:22] _mre|666: still wont' run as a regular user
[21:39:47] _mre|666: can't connect to the database, some login issue
[21:39:49] _mre|666: ugh
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[21:48:48] jordan: are there outdoor signal boosters for cable
[21:49:28] siXy: _mre|666: google mythtv usrs
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[21:50:26] siXy: you need somehting like: grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by password'(somepass)';
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[21:59:32] jcsmith: anybody here have any experience using myth with a genpix skywalker-1?
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[21:59:49] jcsmith: their page says its supported, but i can't seem to find anything when i google
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[22:08:30] baxter_kylie: Hi. Can anyone explain to me which of the db tables mythmusic actually uses? I'm trying to write up a python script to fill the db with music metadata but there's an awful lot of redundant tables/fields in there.
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[22:21:49] siXy: baxter_kylie: mythmusic doesnt use the db
[22:21:55] siXy: (as far as i know)
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[22:22:36] baxter_kylie: siXy: Well when it just scans songs in a directory structure it populates mythconverge.music_songs with pseudo metadata
[22:23:01] baxter_kylie: siXy: But there are several (six or seven if memory serves me) tables that look like they're related to mythmusic.
[22:23:32] janneg: baxter_kylie: the tables are prefixed with music
[22:23:44] siXy: baxter_kylie: ah ok i'm wrong then
[22:25:32] jordan: What is a good outdoor cable amplifier
[22:25:41] jordan: For Cable TV
[22:26:52] baxter_kylie: janneg: Yes, I saw that some are but there is, as noted, a lot of redundancy if you look at their fields and it seems to me that not all of those tables are actually being used.
[22:26:59] gbee: can't remember whether the mythmusic table structure changed before or after 0.20 was released, but currently in trunk it uses music_songs, music_albums, music_artists, music_genre(s), music_directories and probably a couple that I'm forgetting right now
[22:28:23] gbee: baxter_kylie: if you've extra tables then they are probably from an earlier version and have yet to be culled (we keep old tables around for at least one version for people who want to revert from new to old releases)
[22:28:41] gbee: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/new_theme_buttons.png
[22:31:24] gbee: not sure about the two on the right, they might get re-done – depends if I can think of a better way
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[22:31:48] baxter_kylie: gbee: Thanks. Many of these tables have redundant fields. Do you know which ones are given priority?
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[22:33:47] gbee: none of the tables I just listed should have redundant fields, except possibly music_songs, after the structure was changed all artist/album/genre metadata was split into seperate tables and then cross referenced using albumid, artistid, genreid etc
[22:34:14] gbee: i.e. the data was normalised
[22:35:07] gbee: but as I say, I'm not 100% sure those changes were made before 0.20 was released and I'm too busy to check right now
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[22:40:13] baxter_kylie: gbee: It's okay. I understand (I'm a DBM). Music_songs does have some redundancies and I know it's filled when it tries to pull metadata from filenames while the rest of it remains empty. Where I stand, right now, is at a crux because it doesn't read my flac metadata properly. I had thought to write a short python script to fill the db on my own but if the tables change at the next version then I might not want to. :-/
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[22:41:45] tafryn: Hey channel, can anyone tell me the model of the remote that comes with this, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116631 card?
[22:43:04] gbee: baxter_kylie: IF I get time before 0.21 is released and it's a big if, then I want to replace the flac tag reader with taglib (as I've already done for id3 tags in mp3s) – that should fix any problems you are having, unless the reason you are having problems is due to non-standard use of the tags?
[22:45:11] siXy: tafryn: no remote with that particular card.
[22:45:39] siXy: pvr-XXX-mce cards have no remote
[22:45:43] tafryn: No, I'm pretty sure the remote I'm holding just came out of that box
[22:45:45] siXy: the pvr-xxx cards do
[22:45:57] siXy: then you didnt buy a -mce card
[22:46:06] siXy: or if you did you got lucky and they shipped the wrong thing
[22:46:11] tafryn: It shows it there in the pictures on newegg...
[22:46:35] siXy: tafryn: and that means?
[22:46:51] tafryn: That it does, in fact, come with that card?
[22:47:12] baxter_kylie: gbee: I have *limited* nonstandard tag usage (just [SUBALBUM] really). But different ideologies exist between [TRACK]/[TRACKNUMBER] and [DISC]/[DISCNUMBER] so it's always a tossup. Few applications read both and just set up a heirarchy to one or the other. Coming from Foobar I use *NUMBER.
[22:47:22] siXy: ...
[22:47:27] siXy: if you say so
[22:47:45] tafryn: Well they were in the same shrinkwrapped box at least
[22:48:13] siXy: http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_pvr150mce.html
[22:48:26] siXy: no remote listed in the specs. but fine you know best
[22:49:17] tafryn: Indeed, perhaps my box is from an older set of MCE cards
[22:49:33] tafryn: Not too unlikely considering it came from newegg
[22:50:08] tafryn: Anyway, all I wanted to know is if anyone knew which driver to use with lirc. Thanks anyway channel.
[22:51:09] gbee: baxter_kylie: ok, well I can't be too much help on the subject of flac tags as I don't know much about them yet – if someone can remember, or has time to check that schema changes occurred before 0.20 was released, then you should be ok to write that script – it's pretty simple, albums in the album table etc
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[22:51:15] siXy: tafryn: if it looks like a microsoft remote, use the mce-usb2 driver. if it looks like a hauppage remote see lirc.org for further insturctions
[22:51:26] siXy: for picutres of what they look like, google
[22:52:19] gbee: there were additional schema changes recently in trunk (well 6 months ago), but nothing that should break a script inserting metadata too badly
[22:53:48] gbee: siXy: heh, it looks like both since it's Hauppague's version of the MCE remote – should use the same codes as the MCE remote though since it's aimed at working out of the box with MCE
[22:53:50] baxter_kylie: gbee: Seems so. Thank you for your time. I'll probably just use mutagen for my tag library. (By the by, knowing a thing or two about it... flac's can use ID3 but it's nonstandard, traditionally they're vorbis tags so there are no restrictions only loosely accepted standard ways of using them unlike ID3)
[22:54:23] gbee: yep
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[22:56:33] siXy: gbee: thats bizarre
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[23:29:08] eugo: i have been interested in mythtv for some time, liking that you can have multiple "frontends" in different rooms etc.. and have been searching for a good stand-alone pvr
[23:29:22] eugo: the ones i found were all too expensive or not good enough
[23:30:05] eugo: well i recently discovered the mini-itx specification and wonder why i havent found it before. its specifications are just too perfect
[23:31:09] eugo:
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[23:32:04] Der_Thomas: yes eugo
[23:32:33] eugo: the specification is 17x17 cm (6.6x6.6 inches) and you can buy multimedia-style cases
[23:33:07] eugo: does anyone own or have tested these motherboards?
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[23:34:07] Der_Thomas: eugo, this is what most prople use for myth FEs
[23:34:10] Der_Thomas: http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/hardware/via/ep . . . rboards.html
[23:34:30] Der_Thomas: there is even a special linux distro designed for this
[23:34:35] eugo: called?
[23:34:44] mikeones: what about upno frontends? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP#UPnP-client_hardware:
[23:34:50] mikeones: *upnp
[23:35:21] Der_Thomas: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Minimyth
[23:35:31] Der_Thomas: and much more
[23:36:09] Der_Thomas: I use a VIA EPIA-M 10000
[23:36:26] eugo: you cant run mythtv / mythbuntu on the EPIAs?
[23:37:24] bsdfox_: how sluggish is it Der_Thomas
[23:38:09] Der_Thomas: bsbfox, well it is only a FE so it is just fine
[23:38:29] Der_Thomas: the only thing it didn't do well is openGL visualizations in mythmusic
[23:38:34] bsdfox_: that's cool
[23:38:45] bsdfox_: I have a celeron 800 as a frontend and it kinda sucks
[23:38:51] cesman: eugo: tested M1000 fine w/ KnoppMyth as well as CN700
[23:38:58] bsdfox_: pretty bare gentoo install w/ fluxbox and mythfrontend..
[23:39:07] Der_Thomas: eugo: here is the link to the offical myth hardware page:
[23:39:09] Der_Thomas: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware
[23:39:10] bsdfox_: samba and ssh and that's about it
[23:39:34] cesman: eugo: Only note of caution is, if you want to do HD pay careful attempt to nice chip you get
[23:39:54] Der_Thomas: my VIA EPIA 10000 is a 1GHz
[23:40:00] eugo: seeing you can get 1–2 ghz motheboards, why wouldnt you be able to run winxp for that matter
[23:40:08] eugo: what cpu is on that thing
[23:40:12] eugo: C7? whats that
[23:40:23] Der_Thomas: no C3
[23:41:14] Der_Thomas: well you *could* probably run winxp, but there are no myth FEs for winxp so that wouldn't help
[23:41:32] eugo: hehe yah not that i would ever :>
[23:42:34] Der_Thomas: I'm actually running a Gnome desktop (because I haveent felt like messing around yet) an ssh server and of course myth and my little box does just fine
[23:42:55] Der_Thomas: but BSD_fox had a good point, this rig is not HD ready by any means
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[23:43:12] eugo: you have a tv tuner in the EPIA?
[23:43:40] Der_Thomas: nope that is in my regualr desktop running mythbackend
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[23:44:19] Der_Thomas: but really since I have a PVR-150 and it is a hardware encoder I probably could put it into my FE
[23:45:11] Der_Thomas: I only have an old 4GB hd in it too, but I have samba mouynts to my desktop with all of my movies, music and ROMS on there
[23:45:58] eugo: hmm ok.. if going for a compact solution, getting a micro-atc for the mythtv server (with tv tuner) and then multiple mini-itx as frontends would seem sensible, am i right?
[23:46:30] eugo: and ofcourse, the cheapest solution
[23:47:35] Der_Thomas: Well the CHEAPEST solution would be to use your regular desktop for a combined FE/BE and connect it to your TV. Before I built my FE I did this and just ran long cables to my TV
[23:48:01] Der_Thomas: I had an icon on my desktop that would switch my card to TV out and start mythfe
[23:49:28] eugo: hmm ok, but assuming that you want a care-free "just fuxxing working" setup, i imagine a setup like that would be ideal
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[23:50:38] Der_Thomas: yeah I think so, but you might not realize that you need a TV tuner for each FE if you want to be able to watch different stations of live TV at the same time
[23:50:53] Der_Thomas: They can be all in the BE or in each FE or any combination.
[23:51:48] Der_Thomas: but if you are trying to recoed a program, and watch live tv on three FEs with different stations, you'll need 4 tuner cards (or 2 PVR-500s with 2 tuners in each)
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[23:52:47] [miles]: morning
[23:52:57] Der_Thomas: morning
[23:53:01] eugo: lets say i have two digital decoders (i actually only have one), putting two tv-capture cards in the backend, and only one tv-out card in each frontend, wouldnt that work?
[23:53:28] eugo: that would allow each frontend to see both backend tv streams, right?
[23:53:30] Der_Thomas: yep
[23:53:58] [miles]: guys, I'm migrating from Kaffine with DVB-S to Myth-TV... one thing I am trying to get sorted is have the deinterlacing the same (superb) quality as what it was in kaffine, but replicated in myth....
[23:54:06] [miles]: http://pastebin.org/5772
[23:54:21] [miles]: is the kaffine settings for it, could this be replicated in myth please?
[23:54:35] Der_Thomas: but if both FEs were being used to watch live TV and you had something scheduled to be recorded, you would either have to cancel the recording or stop watching live TV
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[23:54:41] Der_Thomas: (on one of the FEs)
[23:54:56] eugo: hmm ok
[23:55:12] Cyberai: Hey, is SD or TMS down? I can't retrieve my channel listings in mythtv-setup/inputs
[23:55:41] Cyberai: I keep getting "401 Unauthorized", but I haven't changed anything
[23:56:23] Der_Thomas: I have just one FE and I only have 1 card and I am ALWAYS wishing a had a second card because I keep getting interupted in live TV saying that I have a recording comming up
[23:57:25] eugo: my digital reciever does the channel-changing on the reciever itself, so i can only watch a fixed station or change station using the decoder-remote. wouldn't this disable any pvr-functionalities?
[23:57:27] Der_Thomas: [miles]: I'm digging for what I think you need give me a second
[23:57:59] Der_Thomas: eugo: no it would still work
[23:58:11] [miles]: :-) many thanks Der_Thomas
[23:58:41] eugo: i imagine you would have to add a infrared-sender to the backend, so it can control what channel is on by itself, right?
[23:59:08] Der_Thomas: eugo: ah yes, sorry I though tthat is what you had
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