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Monday, October 22nd, 2007, 00:07 UTC

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my2keh:

can I get a modeline for my TV by using my laptop/

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mzb_d800:

kormoc: autodiscovery?

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my2keh:

powerstrip eh hmm

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Der_Thomas:

hey, anyone know why mythgallery is resizing my pictures to a 1:1 ratio? Everyone looks really skinny :~)

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Esotericisms:

ok I just moved to new a new area, so I have a new line up ... how do I get my existing recording schedules setup on the new channels and import the new listings

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Esotericisms:

whats the best way?

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Der_Thomas:

I can't seem to find anything in the setup

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Esotericisms:

anyone?

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Der_Thomas:

Eso, sorry I have no idea

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my2keh:

Esotericisms>> you use schedules direct?

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Der_Thomas:

I would guess that if your new channels have the same name as the old it might work

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Esotericisms:

yes, I know how to setup a new listing through them

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Esotericisms:

but I am talking about on myth tv

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my2keh:

mythfilldatabase

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my2keh:

--help

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Esotericisms:

my2keh, that won't have a problem even though it has listings for a different location?

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my2keh:

hence the "--help" :)

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Esotericisms:

hrm I will have to take a look later it seems :0

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Esotericisms:

thanks

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my2keh:

if you've reconfigured the SD side

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my2keh:

it should now download the new lineup

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Esotericisms:

correct, but my scheduled programs won't match cause they are using the old lineup

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Der_Thomas:

hey has anyone here used Mupen64 for Nintendo64 ROMS?

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Esotericisms:

and there is data for the next week or so for the old lineups still

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my2keh:

if I'm not mistaken, they'll go by callsign

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crichardson:

anyone here ever done anything with a pinnacle PCTV HD w/Conexant chipset?

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Esotericisms:

ah ...

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crichardson:

i was woundering what driver i need

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Esotericisms:

and they all use the same call sign even if the channel is different

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my2keh:

i've switched from dishnetwork to bell

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Der_Thomas:

I'm trying to get the _nogui to compile..

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my2keh:

and most fixed themselves

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Esotericisms:

cool, sounds good

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my2keh:

as long as you don't say "Record on this channel" type thing

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Esotericisms:

then I will get my box network connectivity and test it out

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Esotericisms:

ah but that is what I say on most of mine :(

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Esotericisms:

looks like I might have to reenter everything manually :(

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my2keh:

ahh

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my2keh:

I usually say record on any channel

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my2keh:

then you are screwed...manually it is

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Esotericisms:

well unless it goes by callsign instead of actual number?

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my2keh:

correct

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my2keh:

anyone know why my manual doesn't have all the settings necessary for the xfree86 timings?

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Dr_willis:

my2keh, manual for the monitor? is it a crt monuitor?

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my2keh:

Plasma

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my2keh:

TV

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. No idea on that. :) wonder if they are like lcd's in that they all use the same info.

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Dr_willis:

how is it hooked up?

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my2keh:

HDMI

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my2keh:

well dvi -> HDMI

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Dr_willis:

i thought the dvi stuff was supposed to be able to 'tell the pc' the proper settings to use.

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my2keh:

yeah, sometimes through EDID

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my2keh:

but it doesn't alawys work

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Dr_willis:

yea edid – thats what i was thinking of. :)

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Dr_willis:

I dont even have any modelines in my xorg.conf files for my pc's

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Dr_willis:

There was a X modeline generator web site – i used ages ago for setting up some wide screen lcd's

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my2keh:

http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

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my2keh:

i'm using it now, however it's asking me for stuff that I don't have

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my2keh:

heh

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Dr_willis:

I think all i really had to ennter was the res and the freq it could calculate the rest

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my2keh:

yes, i need to enter the dot clock frequency

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my2keh:

but WTF is that

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my2keh:

lol

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tzanger:

good evening

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tzanger:

is there a "nice" way to actually *copy* a program '.mpg' over to another mythtv installation?

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tzanger:

e.g. I have mythtv set up on my laptop. When I travel I'd like to copy over a bunch of recorded shows and watch them on the laptop. The laptop can view them just fine if I'm at home since it can connect ot the backend but not when I'm elsewhere

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mzb_d800:

scp?

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my2keh:

tzanger>>> you can just copy the file

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mzb_d800:

rsync?

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my2keh:

then use myth.rebuilddatabase.pl to import it?

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tzanger:

my2keh: sure, but is there any nice way to do that with the db as well so it shows up as such?

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tzanger:

ahh

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tzanger:

interesting... I can run a sql query to find out which mpg files I want, copy them and hten run rebuild on the laptop to bring htem 'in'

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my2keh:

yup

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my2keh:

I do this:

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my2keh:

myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --dbhost localhost --file Last.Comic.Standing.S05E13.PDTV.XviD-XOR.avi

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my2keh:

for example

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degreseven:

my mythmusic has been broken ever since i upgraded to 0.20.2, whenever i try to play something I get a MAD decoder error 5. can anyone help me with this?

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degreseven:

looks like other people that had that problem just had permission problems or had to rescan their collection, but the files all have 0777 permissions, and i have rescanned. also tried reinstalling mythmusic & libmad.

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tzanger:

my2keh: interesting!

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my2keh:

no prob

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my2keh:

is VGA better then DVI/HDMI

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my2keh:

?

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degreseven:

no

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my2keh:

ok good

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degreseven:

dvi / hdmi are much better

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my2keh:

do you know what dot clock frequency is?

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Tanthrix:

In theory, DVI/HDMI is better than VGA. In practice, it sometimes is not, or makes no appreciable difference.

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Tanthrix:

On cheaper sets, or sets that use 1366x768 resolutions, you might sometimes get better results out of VGA/component.

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my2keh:

wait cheaper=1366x768?

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

that's what mine is!

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Tanthrix:

Sort of ;)

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my2keh:

but I can't get 1366x768...

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my2keh:

BAH it cost me $2000 heh

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Tanthrix:

Did you buy it very recently?

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my2keh:

uhh huh

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Tanthrix:

Like, can still return it recently?

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my2keh:

uhh i dunno, why?

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kolby:

hey guys, how do I reconfigure my mysql package/

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BULLE:

kolby: that would be linux distribution dependent

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Tanthrix:

my2keh: Well, I mean, you can get native 1080P lcd sets for under $1500 now in the 42 inch range.

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my2keh:

lcd

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my2keh:

bah

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my2keh:

sucks

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my2keh:

50" plasma

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my2keh:

mucho better

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BULLE:

my2keh: of course, but also costs mucho more

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kolby:

BULLE: mkay.

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BULLE:

my2keh: its not that strange that you get way better picture and larger screen if you pay more

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kolby:

I got a 42" plasma for 800$ at a local Sears

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Tanthrix:

I would disagree very much. Plasma sets have much lower resolutions. When compared to a good LCD they are rubbish.

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: thats also pure bs

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mzb_d800:

my2keh: you probably don't need to worry about dot-clocks unless you're using a matrox card with tv-out

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my2keh:

you ever seen an LCD on an angle? bloowss

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Tanthrix:

Half of them look like old CRT sets. I mean 1366x768 on a 50 inch set? That's insane.

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: lcd and plasma have different strengths

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BULLE:

my2keh: new high end ones doesnt

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my2keh:

mzb_d800>>> how do you know if I'm using a matrox card?

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mzb_d800:

because you don't have to worry about it with nvidia

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my2keh:

ahh ok

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: so get one with a native resolution that handles 1080p then

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Tanthrix:

my2keh: That is much less of a problem on newer sets. Anyway, when I watch TV, I tend to sit in front of it, not 180 degrees off to the side.

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mzb_d800:

but with a matrox card you have to perform a few back-flips to calculate the right modelines, et al

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my2keh:

ahh well our living room configuration doesn't allow for a "dead center" view

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BULLE:

main issue with lcd, imho, is black levels, response time and color

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my2keh:

anyways! I like my TV

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my2keh:

:)

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BULLE:

imho plasma still beats lcd there

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Tanthrix:

Response time isn't really an issue anymore, but black levels certainly are.

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my2keh:

so I just generated my own mode line

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my2keh:

I should do Modes "1360x765@60i" right?

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: oh it still is, atleast if you watch fast moving hd stuff, then nearly all of the 1080p lcds get blurry, to the point where the extra resolution gets lost

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BULLE:

my2keh: totaly depends on the screen

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my2keh:

in the Screen display section?

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mzb_d800:

I have 35yo 59cm and 3yo 51cm TV's ... hard to read fonts at times, and hard(er) to setup

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mzb_d800:

(if you don't have S-Video or better)

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Tanthrix:

BULLE: What you're describing is motion blur, not ghosting. You will not notice ghosting on a 6ms set (that is actually 6ms) or below.

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: nah, there are a few lcds out there that are fast enough

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my2keh:

dang it! says "1360x765@60i" wasn't valid

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my2keh:

I copied it down right from the timings website

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: there is no 6ms set available, the numbers you see are optimum numbers, that you never observe in real life

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my2keh:

Modeline "1360x765@60i" 37.87 1360 1392 1528 1560 765 782 787 805 interlace

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: the response time depends on what color the pixel has, and what color it should move to

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: its not a single value, but a whole darn response curve

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mzb_d800:

lcd's with the Australian panels are quite quick (O2?)

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: also depends on what type of lcd panel you use etc, that in turn reflect in color accuracy etc

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BULLE:

its a hornets nest realy

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Tanthrix:

BULLE: I am aware of this. The same thing applies for contrast ratios and etc.. The fact remains though that I do not notice ghosting on my Aquos in any amount. I have tested this with games and a flash test I made a while back.

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my2keh:

AHHHHHHHHHH

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mzb_d800:

my2keh: ignore edip option available? (iirc)

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: aquos, that is sharp, right ?

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: sharp is perhaps the best panel manufacturer there is, so if you got the right model, then indeed, you might have a 1080p native res lcd that shows very little ghosting

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Tanthrix:

Where as if you pause nearly any video during a frame that shows motion you'll likely see significant blur, having nothing to do with the set. That is a simple by product of modern photography. You need light, and when you don't have enough, you need to bump the shutter speed down or the aperture up.

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my2keh:

I have ignoreedid =false

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Tanthrix:

And 1/60s is not fast enough to stop motion, not even close.

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kormoc:

or it's caused by compression

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Tanthrix:

That too.

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: its easy to just to split the picture and send it to a crt and the lcd, or a fast plasma and a lcd

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: then you can see it pretty easily

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mzb_d800:

ah, I was thinking of: ModeValidation: NoMaxPClkCheck

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Tanthrix:

But until we get some magic new CCDs that are capable of doing much higher sensitivity or some magical new super speed film, we're going to be dealing with motion blur for quite some time.

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mzb_d800:

(I think it's an nvidia-specific setting, not sure)

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: sure, but im not talking about motion blur generated at camera, im talkign about screen

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mzb_d800:

combined with "UseEdidDpi" "false" in monitor

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BULLE:

neither plasma or lcd is supperior, they have their strengths and weaknesses

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BULLE:

pick what you like the most

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mzb_d800:

(needed for my FP222W to get max res)

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Tanthrix:

BULLE: And I'm making the claim that ghosting (screen generated blur) is so minamal on even 1 year old LCD sets that everytime people complain about blur they are confusing motion blur for actual ghosting

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, uhh, there's ccds that will do ~200 fps at 1080p and film that does almost 1000 fps

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: i doubt a 1 year old lcd has 1080p native resolution even .......

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crichardson:

anyone here ever done anything with a pinnacle PCTV HD w/Conexant chipset?

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my2keh:

stupid thing

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I guess I should have said cheap and common, not just possible ;)

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my2keh:

how does it know that my mode isn't valid!

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** Tanthrix salivates at the thought of owning a high speed camera **

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, you should also know, response time was changed recently, it used to be the time between black to white to black, they now use mid grey to white to mid grey, so times have been inflated recently

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kormoc:

heh

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Tanthrix:

I am also aware of this, but none of this changes the fact that ghosting is very hard to notice on recent-ish sets, and almost every single time someone complains it ends up being motion blur.

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Tanthrix:

That's one of the problems with HD video – motion blur pops out a lot more. Very distracting actually sometimes.

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

I've seen motion blur on 720p sets when they play video games

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Tanthrix:

You mean ghosting.

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kormoc:

ghosting and blur are the same thing to me

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kormoc:

it's still image persistance

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Tanthrix:

Ghosting = blur caused by screen refresh latency. Motion blur = blur caused by a low shutter speed on a camera not stopping motion

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Tanthrix:

One is the screen's fault, the other is not – a rather significant issue.

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my2keh:

how about X rejecting modeline = ?

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my2keh:

heh

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: well, its pretty obvious that what kormoc sees, is not caused by shutter speed on a camera, when the video comes from a games console

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BULLE:

Tanthrix: what you call it, then, isnt the point

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mzb_d800:

my2keh: comment the modeline, and use the settings I mentioned ^^

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mzb_d800:

then just pick your res, as long as the card+monitor can do it, it should work

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my2keh:

ModeValidation?

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Tanthrix:

BULLE: I never made the claim that you couldn't notice ghosting on LCDs when gaming, only that because motion blur exists in pretty much everything, it's usually much worse than any ghosting problems.

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Tanthrix:

And hence, not worth going around complaining that lcds are crap because of ghosting in comparison to plasma.

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Tanthrix:

(Er, everything meaning everything video, not gaming, which doesn't have motion blur unless it's one of those new fangled games that does it on top)

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Tanthrix:

So, in my opinion, LCDs are superior to plasma sets in everything but black level / contrast ratios (a not too insignificant thing,) and possibly gaming if you have a slightly older set.

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qfe0:

I seem to be having intermittent problems recording with mythtv. I'm running into a problem where the wrong audio channel is being recorded (i.e. I'm recording CSI on CBS and something that sounds like Nova and PBS is recorded).

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** Tanthrix is still saddened that the old CRT set in the garage has a far, far superior black level to his brand new Sharp Aquos **

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qfe0:

Has anybody run into something like this? Where would I start troubleshooting this problem?

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mchou:

qfe0: that's a clue for you to stop watching silly TV

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mchou:

qfe0: PBS has superior programming than See-BS :)

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qfe0:

thanks, I'll tell my girlfriend

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qfe0:

she'll be delighted

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mchou:

lol

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qfe0:

seriously, anyone run into a problem like that, or have any suggestions?

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Tanthrix:

qfe0: I recall hearing of other people with that issue, but unfortunately I don't remember the details. You might try checking over the mailing list.

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qfe0:

I'll have another look...

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mchou:

in any case, TV will no longer be worth watching with the looming writers' strike.....

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mchou:

we'll go back to reality TV

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Tanthrix:

my2keh: Anyway, back to my original comment about 1366x768 resolutions. I only said they sucked because of the very problems that you're having – mainly the fact that the EDID spec cannot properly convey the resolution to your computer.

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mchou:

back to the golden age of TV between 1998 and ~2004 :)

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Tanthrix:

my2keh: End result is that you have to jump through a bunch of hoops to maybe get your system to output everything correctly at the native resolution. I'd recommend looking over the nvidia linux forum

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Tanthrix:

my2keh: Do a search for "1366x768' and you'll find quite a few people with the same issues and about fifty different things you can do to maybe get it to work.

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my2keh:

I saw some stuff on the multiple's of 8 stuff

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Tanthrix:

Basically it cannot convey horizontal resolutions that are a multiple of 8. Little bit of an oversight, don't you think? ;)

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mchou:

well well, bad hardware is king

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mchou:

even some intel procs need microcode upgrades

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mzb_d800:

"even"? ;)

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BULLE:

the whole pentium fdiv bug caused intel to put in support for microcode upgrades

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tzanger:

I did linux driver training for ATI (now owned by AMD) employees

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tzanger:

I made frequent jabs at intel for math-related things :-)

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mzb_d800:

is there a way I can have mythmusic "backgrounded" while I play around with other aspects of the frontend?

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rushfan:

Anyway to reduce the mythtv delay/buffer/whateveryouwannacall it?

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rushfan:

Right now mine is 5 seconds :|

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kormoc:

rushfan, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . y_changes.3F

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, nope

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mzb_d800:

not to worry, just wanted to listen to music while I was playing with my newest toy ;)

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sivik:

how do i reset the password for the mythtv users for the myth db?

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mzb_d800:

sivik: phpmyadmin make it easy

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mzb_d800:

s/make/makes

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sivik:

ok

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Aval0n:

guys, I've been troubleshooting this problem and can't find a solution than having to accept that my TV is just being hella picky about signal. I have an nvidia 7300gs, I run HDMI out. when my plasma is on, I turn my HTPC on. I see the screen flash but then it usually says no signal, I have to hit the reset buttons several times, then finally I'll get video. Then when it loads framebuffer it usually goes blue again, but most of the t

[02:29:51]

mzb_d800:

is there some sort of info available for the new playback profiles in svn?

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Aval0n:

it's not synching right

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Aval0n:

anyone have any suggestions?

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, nope

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mzb_d800:

k, so I just assume for p3–650 that cpu-- is going to help?

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mzb_d800:

(I'm trying to get xvmc to work on mx400)

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kormoc:

it might

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mzb_d800:

also trying to reduce OSD flicker

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mzb_d800:

(which I understand is xvmc-related)

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Aval0n:

mzb

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Aval0n:

are you using the bob deinterlace filter?

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mzb_d800:

came across playback profiles while I was trying to find interlace

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mzb_d800:

;)

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Gumby:

does anyone here know if it is possible to stop myth from enabling dpms?

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mzb_d800:

I'd be able to tell you if i could find it ;)

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mzb_d800:

Aval0n: ^

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Aval0n:

it's under playback settings

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mzb_d800:

that's what I thought, perhaps I've exceeded my caffeine limit ;)

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mzb_d800:

cpu-- is *bad*

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sivik:

its telling me to set up the backend but i have no clue how to do it

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sivik:

http://pastebin.com/mfabfcda

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sivik:

it keeps telling me the master server settings ip address isn't set correctly

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mzb_d800:

Aval0n: can't see interlace anywhere, I'm using svn 14699M

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Gumby:

sivik, mythtv-setup

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tzanger:

wtf

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tzanger:

mysql -umythtv -pmypassword mythconverg works

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tzanger:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt shows the same user/pass (this is all localhost)

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tzanger:

but mythbackend can't/won't start up

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tzanger:

I'm just an idiot

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tzanger:

*sigh*

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mzb_d800:

iirc, backend uses /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, it can use a ton of different ones

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mzb_d800:

k

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mzb_d800:

I assumed /etc/* would have been higher in the list, so if they were different, there could be issues, right?

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sivik:

now i just need to figure out how to set all of that stuff to make this work

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mzb_d800:

ah, interlace is *inside* each playback profile ... gee ... going to take a lot of fiddling ;)

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sivik:

its asking for the video source and i have no clue what to put

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mzb_d800:

Aval0n: are you suggesting to use bob or not?

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mzb_d800:

(very slow cpu)

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johnadsfsdfdf:

ive got five hds two 320GB one 200GB and three 40GB. What what you recommend is the best setup for using them for a dedicated mythtv backend... we will have a frontend box too (can that hd be used as well?)

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johnadsfsdfdf:

thats six, but i can only use 5

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tzanger:

johnadsfsdfdf: LVM man, LVM

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tzanger:

if you don't care about redundancy put all of them in as PVs and create one badass VG out of 'em

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kormoc:

until one dies and you lose all the data

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johnadsfsdfdf:

with LVM if one drive fails, do i lose everything?... my understanding is there is a new feature in mythtv that allows you to combine separate drives without lvm

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i see

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kormoc:

storage groups

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tzanger:

kormoc: as I siad, if he don't care about redundancy

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sivik:

apparently i'm not smart enough to do this, when i try do a channel scanner, it doesn't do anything, it says it can't find the capture card

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tzanger:

personally I have 4 or 5 250G drives in raid5

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kormoc:

tzanger, there's a difference between redundancy and affecting all drives

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tzanger:

kormoc: fair enough, but I dunno

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johnadsfsdfdf:

im not too concerned about losing the data.. thats secondary

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kormoc:

johnadsfsdfdf, currently storage groups allow you to manually move stuff between them and myth will know about it

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tzanger:

I wouldn't piss about iwth myth-specific stuff

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kormoc:

one day it might be automatic, but it's not now

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johnadsfsdfdf:

because some drives are new and some are old... and im worried about speed

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johnadsfsdfdf:

will the slower drives slow the faster ones in lvm?

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tzanger:

johnadsfsdfdf: no

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kormoc:

depends on the filesystem and how it puts the data down

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johnadsfsdfdf:

i was thinking xfs, so i can expand

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kormoc:

it should only affect files spanned across both drives

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kormoc:

(both or more)

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johnadsfsdfdf:

ok

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johnadsfsdfdf:

would you part the main drive ... the one with the OS and add the rest of it to the LVM?

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kormoc:

I wouldn't

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mzb_d800:

what is the (fundamental) difference between cpu-- cpu++ (etc) ?

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kormoc:

you would have to look in the profiles and see for yourself

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mzb_d800:

I am, just a lot of options I don't recall seeing before

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mzb_d800:

and attempting to setup the profiles as I had them before does not give a good result

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johnadsfsdfdf:

member:kormoc why wouldnt you part the main drive and add the excess to the LVM?

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mzb_d800:

starting off with a new profile

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kormoc:

simplicity, less access on the main drive (that contains the db and other myth stuff)

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johnadsfsdfdf:

now heres another thing, one of the drives is a SATA the rest are IDE, can they still be combined in LVM?

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. Can anyone explain to me which of the tables mythmusic actually uses? I'm trying to write up a python script to fill the db with music metadata but there's an awful lot of redundant tables/fields in there.

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kormoc:

johnadsfsdfdf, yes, LVM doesn't care what the drives are

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johnadsfsdfdf:

great, thanks for the help kormoc

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johnadsfsdfdf:

do you have a preferred distro to run on? Im thinking the new ubuntu 7.10

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kormoc:

I'm a Gentoo guy personally, second by CentOS

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Der_Thomas:

hey, anyone here ever use custom deinterlace filters?

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johnadsfsdfdf:

yeah, i was originally a gentoo guy... great for me to learn on

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** baxter_kylie hi-fives kormoc. "Gentoo here as well." **

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johnadsfsdfdf:

but i just cant take that much time

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johnadsfsdfdf:

ive been away from gentoo for about 2 years now

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johnadsfsdfdf:

any big changes?

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kormoc:

not overly

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johnadsfsdfdf:

is there a current myth package

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baxter_kylie:

I spend more time fighting the damn-near-hard-coded defaults in the 'user friendly' distros than I do setting up Gentoo boxes. I do have a love of debian for headless servers but that's just because I trust debian security patches a bit more than the still-young glsa

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johnadsfsdfdf:

im looking for the easy to install distro, with minimal footprint on the machine

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kormoc:

Aye, -trunk and -stable

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kormoc:

I wish CentOS was easier to trim down, but alas, it's not to be (yet)

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johnadsfsdfdf:

ive been mostly debian for servers ubuntu for desktop recently

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Gumby:

does anyone here know what command mythtv runs to disable dpms? I want to have it off 100% of the time and to not have it turned back on by mythtv.

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johnadsfsdfdf:

but the myth box is prb going to be dedicated just to myth

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baxter_kylie:

gumby: You mean monitor blanking? You want that off all the time? Set it in X.

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Gumby:

baxter_kylie, mythtv turns dpms back on whenever it stops livetv. Ive already tried commenting out dpms in xorg.conf as well as setting Option "dpms" "off"

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baxter_kylie:

gumby: There are usually several places you have to set it.

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baxter_kylie:

gumby: In, X, that is.

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baxter_kylie:

gumby: Usually on the monitor and the server, sometimes also in the device.

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baxter_kylie:

gumby: And you must specify 'FALSE' or 0 — X is environmentally friendly and will include it by default. :)

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kormoc:

Gumby, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72051

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Gumby:

thx baxter and kormoc. I'll read that.

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Gumby:

kormoc, Ive also read that one already. The guy says the option is for setting the inactivity time for the screensaver. I really dont want it to be enabled at all. So setting any "time" there isnt really a solution

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Gumby:

not to mention he doesnt specify where exactly to put that option

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Der_Thomas:

I am having some problems with the "live preview" on my recordings page

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Der_Thomas:

It is very choppy and many times skips a few frames

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baxter_kylie:

gumby: if this is also a desktop machine you'll want to look into your gui power management and screensaver options as the various gui environments (kde, gnome, enlightenment, etc) all have different backend means of instituting their own type of dpms.

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Der_Thomas:

when I have myth started from a console I get "prebuffering pause" over and over again

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Gumby:

baxter_kylie, its mythbuntu and the desktop is xfce, I will have a look at that also

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Der_Thomas:

anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

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baxter_kylie:

gumby: then I think it's using gnomes version of power management and screensaver. yes you should.

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Der_Thomas:

When I run a FE on my BE machine I don't have the prebuffering pause problem but only when I run a seperate FE

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Gumby:

Der_Thomas, slow network?

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Der_Thomas:

Gumby, maybe, but funn screen video works fine, it is just the "preview" window

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Gumby:

Der_Thomas, depending on the type of video you are using fullscreen, livetv may use much more bandwidth than that.

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Gumby:

depends on whether your livetv buffer is local or running through then network

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Der_Thomas:

I don't have a tuner card in my FE so all my video comes through the network

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Gumby:

could be the issue then

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Gumby:

can you play a recorded video without the pause?

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Der_Thomas:

yeah, but what I am saying is that the little "preview" window on the "Recordings" page causes these prebuffering pauses, but full screen video of the same thing does not

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Gumby:

ah

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Gumby:

then dont worry about it.

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Der_Thomas:

haha

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djc_:

curious what anyone here us using for an IR receiver.

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I know it is not the biggest issue ever, but it is kinda annoying

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kormoc:

djc_, microsoft media center usb receiver

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Der_Thomas:

djc_: I'm using a bacard bell

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Der_Thomas:

Gumby: I've even checked the "Processor freidnly prefiew" box in my setup

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Gumby:

djc_, I have an Hauppauge MCE remote and in the past I have used an ati usb receiver

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djc_:

I need to find something, *not* built into a tv card, preferrably something I can either physically go and buy for cash, or I can go and order quickly and simply onine

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Der_Thomas:

ops s/bacard/Pacard/

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djc_:

preferrable usb based

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Der_Thomas:

why usb?

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Gumby:

djc_, you can buy both the ati and mce remotes

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djc_:

lots of stuff listed on lirc.org but no links to where to buy any of that stuff

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djc_:

i dont need the remote, just the receiver

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Gumby:

djc_, ebay.com

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djc_:

yeah, been there,, 99% seems to be listed the mce one, and apparently theres an 'old one' that works, and a 'new one' that doesnt.

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Gumby:

djc_, I think they both work.

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djc_:

and damn little way to tell in advance from an ebay listing which one it is

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kormoc:

djc_, http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/pNa . . . ote-controls

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djc_:

threads ive found sugggest otherwise

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kormoc:

I use hardware version 2 just fine

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kormoc:

the one that I just linked you

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Der_Thomas:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Serial-IR-Receiver-for-LI . . . cmdZViewItem

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djc_:

now that last one I like

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djc_:

thank you..

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kormoc:

personally I would rather pay $30 + S&H vs $21 + cable + adapter

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djc_:

i wonder why those didnt come up when I searched for 'ir receiver' on ebay earlier

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** kormoc shrugs **

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djc_:

uhm.. hrm.. its not clear wether the adapter is included

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djc_:

but rj12 cables are trivial.. im not worried about that

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mchou:

djc_: dude, there is little risk

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kormoc:

I would think that the adapter is not, but the cable looks like it is

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mchou:

djc_: if it doesn't work for your purposes sell it again on fleabay

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mchou:

djc_: think of it as a "rental"

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djc_:

"... connects to the included DB9 to RJ12 adpater ... "

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kormoc:

ahh

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

I also like the MCE remote and MCE keyboard and MCE blasters

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djc_:

id prefer usb honestly, but that'd be twice as much

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kormoc:

so it's a all in one solution for me

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djc_:

im not a big fan of microsoft anything

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

especially HW :)

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kormoc:

I'm typically not as well, but everyone makes something right at times

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djc_:

if I was, I suppose i wouldnt be trying to setuo mythtv and would instead be using MS' dvr stuff

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djc_:

The day MS makes something that doesnt suck,

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djc_:

will be the day they start making vacuum cleaners

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** kormoc shrugs **

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djc_:

although

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djc_:

i suppose MS probably doesnt anytually make those

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djc_:

im sure its some company they borged, and just painted the MS logo on it

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mchou:

haha... my local grocery story has those self checkout stands......

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kormoc:

doubtful

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mchou:

they run Win2k or some such

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djc_:

lemme guess, microsoft

[03:45:54]

kormoc:

they have their own entire hardware company

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mchou:

always crashing left and right

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djc_:

i hate those self-checkouts.. no matter what platform they run on

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mchou:

djc_: why?

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mchou:

self checkouts are the fast way thru when they work :)

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djc_:

well for one, if you want to pay with a CC, theres no way to give them a signature @definate signature = ink placed on paper by hand with a pen)

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mchou:

the only thing I dont like about self checkouts they give you change for say $20 with 4 $5 bills

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djc_:

two, they are always demanding that you place your items in a particular place.. im like ' fuck off, i'll put it in my newly emptied card

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djc_:

carT

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mchou:

djc_: those are the retarded checkouts

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evil_andy:

Hi, I'm getting a weird error, I have a combo master backend/frontend box that I just built and it can do channel detection just fine, but it can't start tv playback, I get the error StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start (the screen just goes black)

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mchou:

using weight or some such crap

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djc_:

anyway, i pretty much pretend they dont exist.. i've tried them once or twice, and generally end up afoul of there idiocy, and end up putting my stuff back in my cart and going to a real register

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

no doubt

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GreyFoxx:

I Love those self checkouts. I use them most of the time (assuming it's not a huge batch of groceries).

[03:49:39]

GreyFoxx:

I guess it comes down to implementation really

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: yup, I'd agree

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mchou:

those ones that demand you put things in a certain place are retarted

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mchou:

retarded*

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mchou:

but it's generally the fast way outta the store

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GreyFoxx:

The place I go to has the bags pre open and ready for you, you scan an item, put it in a bag, and move on

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GreyFoxx:

when done pick up the bags, grab receipt and go

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mchou:

I use them for 15 items or less

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mchou:

any more than that use a real person that does checkout

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MrJackson:

self checkouts are never shorter for me if there is someone there already

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GreyFoxx:

Most of the time I go to one (at least once a week) It's me and my daughter picking up something for support that night or the next day

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MrJackson:

mostly because they are clueless and take forever

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GreyFoxx:

so rarely more than 20 items total

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mchou:

self checkout UI suck big time thou

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mchou:

you figure for something that just needs to read UPC and accept payment the UI doesnt need to be that complicated......

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mchou:

but all them screens are a mess

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djc_:

about the only time i might use one is if I have one or two small things, and i play on paying cash

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djc_:

plaN

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djc_:

anyway, i think im gonna order one of these..

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djc_:

OMG

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djc_:

holy shit

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djc_:

ebay actually implemented something i suggested to them like ages ago

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djc_:

namely, that when sorting search results by price, that you be able to sort by price *plus* shipping

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djc_:

becuase a 99 cent item with $25 shipping is *not* less expensive than a similar item listed at $10 with $5 shipping

[04:01:20]

mchou:

they still have $5 shipping??? :)

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djc_:

who?

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djc_:

shipping amounts are set by the individual sellers

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djc_:

and a lot of jackasses like to list damn cheap prices to get near the top of '

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djc_:

sort by price'

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djc_:

listings

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mchou:

even USPS is no longer that cheap

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djc_:

but then pad the crap out of the 'shipping and handling'

[04:02:28]

djc_:

to ship how big a package?

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djc_:

its all weight and size dependent

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mchou:

anything besides a letter

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djc_:

and yes, you can send up to 1 pound via prioroty mail for 4.85

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djc_:

priority

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mchou:

djc_: news to me. USPS have jacked their prices

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djc_:

actually, im wrong..

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djc_:

its 4.60

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djc_:

http://postcalc.usps.gov/MailServices.aspx?Co . . . amp;DZ=90210

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djc_:

and fyi, i work for usps ;)

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Gumby:

Does anyone know if this would be a mythfilldatabase or a shedules direct issue.. The "callsign" and "name" tables on my db are all "Adding Channel 22" (obviously the channel num is different for each channel) instead of say "22" and "SNET"

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mchou:

no wonder you're postal

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djc_:

heh

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djc_:

what gets me is so many ebay sellers wont ship usps.. becuase they think they have to go to take their package to the post office and buy stamps

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djc_:

not getting that they can pay online, get a paid shipping label, and have their package picked up by the same carrier that delivers their mail

[04:06:41]

mchou:

no, most dont ship USPS cause they afraid of no tracking

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xris:

and no insurance

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djc_:

insurance is available

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xris:

but automatic with UPS/FedEx

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djc_:

and usps offers 'delivery confirmation' which is sufficient to prove it was delivered, which i presume is the real interest

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mchou:

djc_: all that crap you gotta pay extra $

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djc_:

yeah, you can not buy it

[04:07:53]

djc_:

that doesnt mean its free

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djc_:

er

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djc_:

cant not buy it

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djc_:

that doesnt mean its free

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mchou:

FedEx gnd is one shot deal

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xris:

Gumby: probably something on your end in the DB... mfdb won't change your callsign info/etc if it's already in the database

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djc_:

you are still paying for it, its just built into the shipping cost, as opposed to being seperate where you can choose to get it or not

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xris:

djc_: I know. my company has its own insurance rider so we specifically avoid the fedex/ups insurance.

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mchou:

but but FedEX Gnd is cheaper all said

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djc_:

well, they cant deliver to PO boxes no matter how much they charge

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mchou:

besides, USPS uses FedEX :)

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djc_:

which means it doesnt work for me

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mchou:

what really gets me is mail order companies using Smartpost

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mchou:

you get the worst of FedEX and USPS

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kormoc:

djc_, who doesn't deliver to PO boxes?

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djc_:

fedex

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djc_:

or ups, for that matter

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kormoc:

sure they do

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kormoc:

https://www.fedex.com/us/services/termsandcon . . . l/pobox.html

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Gumby:

xris, if I clear those tables and rerun mfdb maybe it will fill them in?

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xris:

Gumby: mfdb has an option to re-grab channel data.. I don't know what it is, though

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kormoc:

--refresh-all iirc

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Gumby:

xris, hrm, ok. I'll have a look then

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djc_:

"excluding US destinations"

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

I know I've shipped fedex to po boxes before

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** kormoc shrugs **

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djc_:

i know one time I asked a company to send me some parts that were missing in the box for something i bought from them

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djc_:

they sent it fedex..

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djc_:

fedex sent me a postcard telling me to call them and give them a street address

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Gumby:

hrm, I just heard a loud beep from my mythbox. Wonder what that meant. hehe

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kormoc:

Gumby, it's lonely

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djc_:

i told them that if they couldnt deliver it to the address they had, to send it back to the company

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djc_:

and tell them to use a shipper that could

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Gumby:

kormoc, but I am watching it.. what more does it want from me?

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devsforev:

Good evening everyone. Does anybody know if it is possible to password protect the -settings- page in MythWeb? I am able to password protect the entire MythWeb interface, but I have had significant difficulty trying to do the same for the settings page. Thanks in advance

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Gumby:

(you dont have to respond to that)

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djc_:

i dont think i ever heard from either of them again.. i ended up getting the parts i needed (some nuts and washers) from a local hardware

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djc_:

personally i wish usps would offer virtualized mailing addresses, kinda like email aliases..

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djc_:

so you could have a permanent mailing address, that wouldnt change even if you moved, and that didnt tell someone where you physically lived

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djc_:

whats cool though, is if you need to send someone a SASE, there is a way to print it up so that you address isnt on it, but it will still get to you

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djc_:

it does have to have your name on it though

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djc_:

or something that your mail carrier will recognize that its legit for you

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Gumby:

hrm, undorunately --refresh-all didnt repopulate the channel info. I'll try by deleting the info first this time

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djc_:

bah.. i see mythweb isnt standalone, it requires a webserver

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djc_:

i was hoping to fire it up on a box I was testing

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djc_:

/etc/init.d/mythweb start

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djc_:

eg

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djc_:

and that it actually was its own daemon

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djc_:

as opposed to just cgi scripts

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devsforev:

Yup. Looks like it works mostly with php

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djc_:

i can do that.. just doesnt let me quick play with it now to see what it can do

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djc_:

im not fucking around installing apache right now

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devsforev:

I think I know what the problem is, but I don't know a workaround. I think apaches Auth directives only work when the webserver itself is accessing the directory. But because a PHP script drills deeper into subdirectories, an apache directive to block that lower subdirectory (in this case /mythweb/modules/settings) is ineffective. I could be mistaken tho

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djc_:

as in, you want to protect *only* the settings page while leaving the rest open?

[04:28:46]

djc_:

or when you protect the whole interface, the settings is left unprotected?

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djc_:

if the former, you'd probably need to hack the php code itself, if the settings page isnt in a special path all of its own

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devsforev:

djc_: yeah. I only want the settings page protected. I want some users in my house to access the web interface, but not fsck up any of the important settings (channel ids, keybindings, etc)

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djc_:

since I dont actually have a mythweb instance running, I couldnt tell you for sure ;)

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devsforev:

no worries, thanks for the ideas though

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Gumby:

devsforev, you could rename the php page something else so that the link doesnt work. hehe

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djc_:

well, does it use seperate php files for the different pages, or is it something like http://blah/whatever/mythweb.php?page=settings

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djc_:

or page=viewlistings etc

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devsforev:

Gumby: lmao; that is actually not a bad idea itself... haha... But idealy, I would still like to access it when i need to

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djc_:

if it is in fact a seperate file that you can rename,

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Gumby:

devsforev, another idea... you could mirror mythweb to say mythweb-admin and then give that directory a different htaccess

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djc_:

rename it to something that is a slight variation of the actual name, so that links to it dont work

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djc_:

but you could hit the link,

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devsforev:

djc_: Its a little hard to tell; it uses mod-rewrite

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djc_:

and when you get the 404

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djc_:

edit the url to be your variation

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djc_:

not secure, by any means, but sufficient to prevent the average end-user for getting at it

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Gumby:

I'd symlink settings.php to index.php that way the unsuspecting user just things its broken instead of a dead link. lol

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mzb_d800:

just an update on a few of my issues: upgraded from gf2 mx400 to gf4 mx440 (set in 2x mode!;)

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djc_:

yeah, first move settings.php to settingzappaboo.php or something

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mzb_d800:

now mysterious flick often seen (looked like remnants of a popup menu) has gone

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djc_:

then you go there directly from a bookmark or something

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devsforev:

Gumby & djc_; Great ideas, haha. I think i'll end up using a combination of your ideas to make it work for me

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mzb_d800:

xvmc works (no xvmc in gf2)

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Gumby:

I like the mirroring of mythweb personally. that way you'd have your own user/pass that you need not give anyone

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mzb_d800:

but nvtv doesn't like this card, so having to use different method

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devsforev:

Gumby: good idea. I already have a "private" virtual host on apache that only accepts connections from the local host. That way, I need to use ssh port forwarding to access the "private" folder

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Gumby:

there might be an easier/proper way of doing what you need. But thats all beyond me. hehe.

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Gumby:

hopefully mythweb doesnt have static paths setup

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devsforev:

Lets hope so

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Gumby:

if it doesnt it should be pretty easy to do. just cp -R mythweb mythweb-admin and possibly change a few apache settings

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Gumby:

(and edit .htacess)

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kormoc:

should be able to craft a htaccess file to do it

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tonyr1988:

When playing back recordings, if you use the Edit Mode to set cut points / delete parts of the video, can you have it make those changes directly to the file, or is it only for playback?

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devsforev:

Gumby: thanks for the ideas, i'm going to try them out and see if i can get it going

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Gumby:

devsforev, or as kormoc said, it should be able to be done via htaccess. I just dont know htaccess well enough to suggest how. maybe try #apache

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devsforev:

alright, i'll check that out too before i get in too deep

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banyan:

Hey... question. I have the X driver running on a pvr350 tv out. That's all good. I can run the frontend on the TV. However, all of a sudden when I tried to play back video, I got the sound from the show and a blue monitor instead of the video.

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banyan:

Playing on my monitor, I can see that the show didn't record with blue video — I get Robot Chicken or American Dad or whatever is supposed to be there. Any ideas on this?

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johnadsfsdfdf:

how large is the installation of mythtv... how much space do i need on the partition that is running mythtv (aside from video storage)

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banyan:

My mysql is 230 MB, plus the packages... say a half gig ought to cover it.

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banyan:

If youre running fedora or some other system that uses yum, you can yum install mythtv-suite and that'll tell you the total download size which should be something like the size needed for the mythtv apps.

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johnadsfsdfdf:

how big of a swap space should i make

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kormoc:

I've always wanted to see a petabyte swap partition, so I'll recommend that

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directhex|work:

generally, ram plus a few meg is good, as it ensures you could use suspend-to-disk if you so chose

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johnadsfsdfdf:

ok

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Cougar:

when computers had up to 64MB RAM the rule of thumb was RAM x 2 and I still follow it if I use swap. In most time I don't

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directhex|work:

by the time you've swapped 2 gig of ram to disk *twice*, you've got bigger problems

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directhex|work:

quantities of memory have increased significantly, disk speeds haven't. swapping everything out is no longer acceptable, it takes too long

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Cougar:

swap is anyway slow and you should use it only when there is no enough memory

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kormoc:

you should always have a little, but too much is much worse

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kormoc:

I typically keep 128 megs or so, and as a swap file, so I can grow it as needed (if needed)

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Cougar:

I don't use swap at all in servers

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kormoc:

I do. It's not worth say ssh getting OOM killed rather then swapped IMHO

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directhex|work:

kormoc wins

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directhex|work:

but suspend-to-disk requires at least swap == ram

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Cougar:

kormoc: small spat doesn't help here much. big swap helps much more because your server is going to be slower and slower and memory hungry process can't kill our machine in a moment

[08:14:23]

directhex|work:

whether suspend to disk is useful for you is another matter

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Cougar:

this is why I still use swap in some rare cases and especially big swap

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Cougar:

susped-to-disk is another thing. if you have swap==RAM thene most probably there is some data in swap already and this is not enough for suspend any more ;-)

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kormoc:

I don't like huge swaps due to the fact that it takes forever to recover. It is a balancing act, a down time of 10 minutes for it to recover a 16 gig swap fest isn't really an option for my stuff

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mchou:

Why the hell is Adobe Reader such a CPU hog in linux??

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directhex|work:

mchou, so it can be like adobe reader on windows

[08:16:21]

Cougar:

mchou: because closed source things are always crappy ;-p

[08:16:28]

directhex|work:

mchou, that and the statically compiled widget toolkit

[08:16:30]

mchou:

those guys at adobe need to write more efficient code

[08:16:35]

directhex|work:

Cougar, vmware rules. and so do games

[08:16:59]

Cougar:

in some cases you can use xpdf also

[08:17:27]

mchou:

well xpdf is badly broken rendering some pages

[08:17:41]

Cougar:

true

[08:18:29]

mchou:

anyway, there is no excuse for acroread being such a CPU hog

[08:19:01]

mchou:

those guys at adobe better spend some thime fixing that issue

[08:19:07]

mchou:

time*

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directhex|work:

mchou, not happening, ever

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directhex|work:

mchou, adobe's priority list places *nix somewhere below cleaning the coffee machine on level 3's kitchen

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mchou:

directhex|work: lol

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jtmoney:

can someone explain to me how firewire works with STBs? will analog channels be passed through the firewire port, or just HD?

[08:20:11]

mchou:

I tought you said it was a hog on windoze too

[08:20:32]

mchou:

jtmoney: that depends on your cable provider

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directhex|work:

mchou, windows users will take what they're given

[08:20:49]

mchou:

jtmoney: whether they use something called ADS

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directhex|work:

mchou, including the bundled photoshop demo acroread comes with these days

[08:21:20]

mchou:

directhex|work: huh??

[08:21:39]

mchou:

acreread windows comes with demo copy of photoshop?

[08:21:41]

jtmoney:

mchou: any idea how i would go about finding that out?

[08:22:04]

mchou:

jtmoney: beg, borrow, or stea a firewire STB :)

[08:22:10]

mchou:

steal*

[08:22:42]

directhex|work:

Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition

[08:22:55]

mchou:

jtmoney: just rent a STB for one month. Should only set you back $5

[08:22:57]

jtmoney:

my cable company uses scientific altana boxes that have firewire ports on them already... is that good enough? maybe just rent an additional one for $5/month?

[08:23:40]

mchou:

scientific atlanta now belongs to the cisco family.....

[08:27:26]

mchou:

linux netscape plugins are such a kludge

[08:27:55]

mchou:

that's really the only disappointment about the linux web surfing experience

[08:28:25]

mchou:

that and the crappy web code everyone writes

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directhex|work:

and the porn sites that require msie

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mchou:

directhex|work: I wouldnt know about those

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mchou:

flash is the world's most retarded web virus

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defaultro:

hey mchou, how are you? Finally got my crt last Sunday :)

[08:29:56]

mchou:

CRT?

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mchou:

people still sell those??

[08:30:11]

defaultro:

here is another screenshot folks of my crt/mythtv combo in action

[08:30:21]

defaultro:

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8669/sylarlightsonwh3.jpg

[08:30:23]

defaultro:

yes crt

[08:30:27]

defaultro:

I just took it 10 mins ago

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mchou:

I have to scrounge the surplus places to get nice CRTs now

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defaultro:

the white cloth is blockout cloth which I taped on the wall

[08:31:03]

defaultro:

that screenshot with lights on

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defaultro:

now, with lights off

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defaultro:

that's heroes

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defaultro:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/135/sylarlightsoffgb8.jpg

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mchou:

umm, that doesnt look like a CRT

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defaultro:

it's crt

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defaultro:

look at the 2 tubes that I removed near the screen

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mchou:

OK

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defaultro:

enlarge it so you can see the actual size

[08:32:13]

mchou:

yeah, nice

[08:32:44]

defaultro:

yep, although I need to work on convergence. I always lost convergence when I expand it

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mchou:

defaultro: you know once the writers go on strike there will be no need to watch TV?

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mchou:

cause it will revert back to stupid reality shows

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directhex|work:

yeah, sorry for Big Brother

[08:34:40]

mchou:

just like the dry spell between 1999 and 2004

[08:35:10]

mchou:

directhex|work: huh? why sorry?

[08:35:17]

directhex|work:

actually, looks like the netherlands are to blame for big brother

[08:35:24]

mchou:

directhex|work: all those reality shows suck

[08:35:43]

directhex|work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BB_MAP.PNG is terrifying

[08:35:46]

defaultro:

:)

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

china has no big brother. the irony......

[08:37:14]

mchou:

country of spoiled brats

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mchou:

It's been good while it lasted, but TV will take a turn for the worse if the writers go on strike

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mchou:

no Sopranos, Six feet Under, House, etc.

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directhex|work:

watch british teevee!

[08:40:10]

directhex|work:

top gear and doctor who, what more could you ask for?

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mchou:

bah

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mchou:

only way I can watch british TV is when it's subtitled

[08:40:56]

mchou:

underwise I cant understand shit

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mchou:

otherwise*

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defaultro:

taking off, so sleepy :)

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directhex|work:

mchou, i hear they subtitled Trainspotting for the yanks

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mchou:

dude, I watched that movie and didnt understand shit

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mchou:

all for lack of proper subtitling

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mchou:

even "Bend it like Beckham" I had to watch with subtitles

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mchou:

Like I didn't get the reference to "V" until I saw the subtitles

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directhex|work:

dealing with accents is a question of exposure

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directhex|work:

you obviously just don't watch enough british teevee!

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mchou:

bah!

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mchou:

my favorite show stars a brit acting like a yankee

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mchou:

I should say current

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mchou:

anyway, since when do the brits say "teevee"

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mchou:

I thought they'd always use "telly"

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kavorka^:

i was wondering should a p4 2.4, 1gb ram, 6200nvidia card suffice for a frontend to be able to handle hdtv?

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mchou:

kavorka^: you dont want to use a P4 anyways

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mchou:

way too hot and loud for a front end

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kavorka^:

mchou, but would it suffice for hdtv?

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mchou:

use a more modern proc

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mchou:

kavorka^: depends on rez. it's borderline

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kavorka^:

well its an oldish pc...dont want to build a new system just for a frontend

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mchou:

go with 3Ghz or above

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kavorka^:

well im getting prebuffering pauses so i guess its not enough grunt

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directhex|work:

kavorka^, it will do mpeg2 hdtv

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mchou:

kavorka^: then relegate it to a backend

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directhex|work:

kavorka^, no hope for h264

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kavorka^:

but i thought the backend needed the grunt?

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directhex|work:

kavorka^, not at all

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directhex|work:

kavorka^, a backend just needs disks

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kavorka^:

my backend is a p4 3 gig

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mchou:

prebuffering pauses dont necessarily have to do with grunt

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directhex|work:

kavorka^, what grunt does capturing pre-encoded content to disk require?

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mchou:

bus bandwidth? :)

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kavorka^:

directhex|work, fair enough

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kavorka^:

well its no big deal. im happy with sd anyways for now

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mchou:

kavorka^: trust me, you'd save more money in the long run with a more modern proc than P4

[08:58:03]

mchou:

just think you'd be contributing less to global warming

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mchou:

and the $ you save in electricity

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kavorka^:

mchou, you make the p4 seem so outdated! is it really that bad? so the newer cpus are quiter and energy efficient?

[08:58:38]

kavorka^:

i never realised...i thought they would be even worse

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mchou:

trust me, P$'s are bad for front end use

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mchou:

P4*

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kavorka^:

wow

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mchou:

as a rule of thumb modern procs use less electricity

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mchou:

smaller die size, SOI, better power mgmt, all that crap

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kavorka^:

hmmm time for an upgrade then

[09:00:43]

kavorka^:

how much % difference we talking about in energy efficiency?

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mchou:

trust me, it will make your P4s sound like the god dman airport

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mchou:

damn*

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kavorka^:

hehe

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mchou:

easily 37% or so

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kavorka^:

ok

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mchou:

in most cases more with power mgmt

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kavorka^:

do you guys leave your frontend pc always on or do u turn it off?

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directhex|work:

typical thermal envelope for a core 2 duo is ~70W. pentium 4 is ~90W to 130W depending on vintage

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directhex|work:

and the core 2 is at least twice as fast, per clock, per core

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mchou:

directhex|work: heh, not if you count the microcode workaround :)

[09:04:07]

directhex|work:

mchou, i don't! raw float performance kkthx

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mchou:

dude, the latest microcode has nothing to do with float perf

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mchou:

it has to do with erroneous TLB

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mchou:

you swap you lose!

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mzb_d800:

p4 sounds like overkill for SD ;P

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: Did you get your mysql problem sorted out?

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mzb_d800:

yes (kinda)

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mzb_d800:

turns out that FE#2 was connecting to the MBE, and then using the db password supplied by it, rather than the one it was configured for.

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mzb_d800:

So I just made the sql password for the mythtv user the same for both hosts.

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: seems fair enough.

[12:07:04]

mzb_d800:

rooaus: thanks for all your help, btw

[12:07:17]

mzb_d800:

I've almost got something the g/f can use now :)

[12:07:53]

mzb_d800:

changed the gf2 mx400 in the loungetv for a gf4 mx440 ... saves 10–20% on playback

[12:08:17]

mzb_d800:

upped gui res on both machines to 1024x768 ... so more readable

[12:09:00]

mzb_d800:

got problems understanding the playback profiles, and getting mpeg2 to play properly on bedtv, but it's getting there

[12:09:15]

mzb_d800:

did grabNode.sh work ok for you?

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mzb_d800:

it's pretty slow and ugly

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rooaus:

np. She will understand why you spend the effort on building it when she uses it for a while.

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mzb_d800:

heh ... yeah, she's using it flat out :)

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mzb_d800:

so now she's got bedtv + her linux machine ... keeps her quite happy :)

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mzb_d800:

(mostly)

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rooaus:

yeah, the grabber seemed to work ok, there was a couple of stations I noticed didn't play though. TripleJ was one. Haven't had a chance to work out why though but I don't think it is the grabber.

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mzb_d800:

err ... not sure

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mzb_d800:

I did notice that one of the failed stations was an aac error (which I haven't got compiled in)

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mzb_d800:

I noticed today that none of the ABC stations work

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mzb_d800:

better take a look at that some time

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rooaus:

It is no probs though as there is a fair choice anyway :)

[12:14:09]

mzb_d800:

true :)

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mzb_d800:

tbh, I really only want it there, and easy to update, so it's available when I need it :)

[12:15:03]

mzb_d800:

most of the streams I listen to are on pda when I'm mowing the lawn (on a good day)

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mzb_d800:

"network testing" | "wifi survey" ;))

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mzb_d800:

(hence ETN1)

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rooaus:

mel4 core router had "issues" today, that may be the reason for the probs with ABC today.

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mzb_d800:

oh, ok

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mzb_d800:

probably just as well I didn't try sanitising the streams before adding them ;)

[12:17:12]

mzb_d800:

I know that ETN for example has bombed out quite a few times over the last few years

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mzb_d800:

(has always been the highest bitrate station on node, iirc)

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rooaus:

I haven't heard back from Eskil, don't know if the email address I used from mailing list will work. I just don't want to post the patch on -users list without giving him the chance to review it.

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justinh:

heh. found a new distraction. lcdproc & a 16x2 VFD

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skiltz:

hi!

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GreyFoxx:

Any ubuntu fans around that can answer an resolvconf question for me ?

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skiltz:

GreyFoxx, perhaps, what is your question?

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GreyFoxx:

well, I've been handed a machine which had no nameserver entry on it.

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GreyFoxx:

I've run echo "IPHERE" | resolvconf -a eth0

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GreyFoxx:

and resolvconf -u

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GreyFoxx:

and still It's as if the system doesn't see the nameserver entry (which I now see in /etc/resolv.conf"

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skiltz:

have you ran it in root?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

I'm logged in as root

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skiltz:

have you try like this, for example: echo "10.0.0.1" | resolvconf -a "eth0"

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skiltz:

?

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GreyFoxx:

That's exactly what I did yeah

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skiltz:

with "eth0"

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GreyFoxx:

yes :)

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skiltz:

hummm

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GreyFoxx:

root@batcomputer:~# echo "10.10.10.10" | resolvconf -a "eth0"

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GreyFoxx:

10.10.10.10 being a internal DNS server reachable throughout our network

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GreyFoxx:

and all lookups are still failing

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skiltz:

ok and 10.0

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skiltz:

erf

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skiltz:

and 10.10.10.10 isn't in /etc/reslv.conf

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skiltz:

have you try tu add it manualy ?

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GreyFoxx:

It is showing up in /etc/resolv.conf

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GreyFoxx:

but lookups still fail

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GreyFoxx:

and I've verified that I can definately reach it

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skiltz:

and restarting your network? (/etc/init.d/networking restart)

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GreyFoxx:

For example now, nslookup -q=mx yahoo.com fails

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GreyFoxx:

but nslookup -q=mx yahoo.com 10.10.10.10 works

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GreyFoxx:

restart it> Seriously? Ugh. Why did they have to f*ck with a basic functionality that shouldn't require a restart

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skiltz:

in the man: Overwrite (-a) or delete (-d) the nameserver information record for

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skiltz:

network interface INTERFACE and run the update scripts in /etc/resolv‐

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skiltz:

conf/update.d/ if the nameserver information has changed.

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GreyFoxx:

supposedly according to that manpage resolvconf -u should running whatever updates need doing

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GreyFoxx:

but it doesn't have any visible effect

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GreyFoxx:

/etc/init.d/networking restart had no effect either

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skiltz:

have you try to launch all scripts in /etc/resolvconf/update.d/ ?

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GreyFoxx:

nope, haven'ttried any of those manually

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onixian:

hallo

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onixian:

i've a problem with mythbrowser running firefox

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GreyFoxx:

skiltz: Just ran each with no effect

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skiltz:

grrrr :/

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GreyFoxx:

I suppose I should try #ubuntu

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GreyFoxx:

not really OT for here :)

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onixian:

did u know how can i activate javascript popups to work?

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onixian:

like most online radios

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onixian:

when clicking they open a popup with their embedded player

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skiltz:

GreyFoxx, Sorry but I don't understand why it doesn't wan't to work :s

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onixian:

but the popup win not open

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onixian:

and opening it in a new tab dows'nt work

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onixian:

tnx for any infos

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skiltz:

onixian, sorry I'm not using MythWeb

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skiltz:

but have you look in your firefox configuration?

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skiltz:

(~/.mozilla/)

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skiltz:

I've a problem too, If some one want's to help me, I've a DVB-T card, it work's with Mplayer and Kaffeine but with MythTV there are no channels who want to be locked (only partial lock L__)

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onixian:

i'll try

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onixian:

but i cant find anithing about it

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skiltz:

try to go to about:config

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skiltz:

there all your configuration there

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onixian:

no luck

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mzb_d800:

GreyFoxx: running dhcp or static?

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GreyFoxx:

static ip

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GreyFoxx:

I had no hand in installing or setting it up originally

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GreyFoxx:

It was just handed to me

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mzb_d800:

in the eth0 stanza in /etc/network/interfaces

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mzb_d800:

add:

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mzb_d800:

dns-nameservers "IPHERE"

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mzb_d800:

(I think it's with a dash)

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mzb_d800:

don't need to be quoted

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gbee:

anyone had a clever idea to tackle the problem of radiotimes listings for Virgin 1 being 24 hour, but the channel only being 12 hours on Freeview?

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directhex|work:

gbee, use EIT

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gbee:

*without using EIT (which sucks)

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gbee:

;)

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directhex|work:

gbee, i'd like to hear a better idea. radio times doesn't deal well with duplicate channels w/ different listings

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directhex|work:

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