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Thursday, October 18th, 2007, 00:01 UTC
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[00:09:16] eggd: Hi
[00:09:22] bsdfox__: hi
[00:09:24] eggd: Is this program for windows or linux?
[00:09:39] bsdfox__: linux, but there are a couple player programs for windows
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[00:10:14] jams: ugh stupid mythweather, the scripts cant find it's own perl modules
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[00:15:59] eggd: bsdfox__: got any example for windows versions
[00:16:06] eggd: expect windows media center
[00:16:52] GreyFoxx: Looking for a windows based pvr? ummm gbpvr, mediaportal (or are they called meedio?), sagetv, beyondtv
[00:16:58] GreyFoxx: I've never used any of them though
[00:18:01] eggd: what does pvr stand for?
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[00:18:11] GreyFoxx: personal video recorder
[00:18:49] GreyFoxx: basically the same as when people say dvr(digital video recorder)
[00:19:27] eggd: actually im not mainly going to use for video recording. what i am going to do is to put a tv-card into my server-pc, and then someway watch tv on my desktop-pc (since i have no monitor to the server)
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[00:20:08] GreyFoxx: sounds similar to what myth does (though it's all recorded)
[00:20:19] GreyFoxx: even "livetv" is recorded and streamed
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[00:20:58] ** jams is about to give up on mythweather **
[00:21:00] GreyFoxx: there are some windows clients for myth but I've not used them other than http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/
[00:21:12] eggd: i dont know exactly what mythtv does, i was just recomended to go this channel
[00:21:48] iamben: eggd: do you know what tivo is?
[00:22:27] eggd: no. i came to think about this idea today
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[00:25:48] xris: iamben: you scared him away
[00:26:17] mzb_d800: GreyFoxx: I assume there are also linux player clients? (I seem to recall some method of playing directly in mplayer???)
[00:26:19] iamben: i was trying to come up w/ a clever joke about living under a rock
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[00:28:00] eggd: but how would this work if i used mythtv.
[00:28:00] eggd: if i have a tv-card on my server-pc... would it stream from my server-pc and i can watch it with mythtv program on my desktop?
[00:28:45] eggd: is it possible to control a tv-card on a different computer with myttv?
[00:28:52] mzb_d800: eggd: mythtv operates on a simple principle (which tends to become a little more complicated during the implementation stage)
[00:29:17] mzb_d800: 1. Backend: where 1 (or more) tuners live
[00:29:29] mzb_d800: 2. Frontend: where there is a screen
[00:29:56] mzb_d800: (you can can more than 1 or each, and 1+2 can be combined)
[00:30:07] mzb_d800: s/can can/can have/
[00:30:18] mzb_d800: s/or each/of each/
[00:30:23] mzb_d800: (pre coffee;)
[00:30:34] iamben: can can can you do the can can
[00:30:45] mzb_d800: no ;)
[00:31:41] mzb_d800: so, the idea is that the "mythtv system" (say when watching|recording) records the stream from the tuner onto the hard drive
[00:31:56] mzb_d800: then the frontend(s) can what that image from the drive
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[00:32:16] mzb_d800: (if watching "live" there is a tiny delay, of course)
[00:32:26] mzb_d800: eggd: does that help?
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[00:33:56] mzb_d800: looks like I need more caffeine ;)
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[00:35:34] kavorka^: i've imported some recordings using the mythrebuild.pl database script into my new mythbox, however my recording lengths are way off...example one recording shows up as being 9 hrs long instead of the actual 90 minutes...does anyone know how i can fix this?
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[00:37:47] mzb_d800: kavorka^: $ mythcommflag --video filename
[00:37:57] mzb_d800: (builds a seek table, etc)
[00:38:05] mzb_d800: I think that's the right way
[00:38:29] kavorka^: yeah have tried mythcomflag...not sure if i used the --video switch...ill try it again now
[00:38:52] eggd: mzb_d800: im not sure im following on everything. but if i'd be streaming all the time, AND using the network to stream to another pc. wouldnt it require major processor power
[00:38:57] eggd: and a big harddrive?
[00:39:11] eggd: or is everything deleted while recording?
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[00:39:56] mzb_d800: "LiveTV" is (usually) classed as "temporary" (it can expire)
[00:40:25] mzb_d800: how much cpu you need will depend on a number of factors
[00:40:33] eggd: (does normal tv's work this way aswell?)
[00:41:06] mzb_d800: 1). what sort of tuner are you using (eg. framegrabber vs mpeg2 encoding)
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[00:41:24] mzb_d800: 2). the resolution (etc) of your display(s)
[00:42:21] eggd: do u think a P4, 2400mhz, 1gb ram would do ok on "normal settings"?
[00:42:46] mzb_d800: I have 3 machines (1 of which is optional), 2 tuners, and 2 TV's. Apart from the "optional" machine (which doesn't have a tuner or display and is only used for encoding), I'm not using a machine > p3–866
[00:43:35] mzb_d800: my main machine (lounge room) is a combined backend, frontend, NFS server and is an overclocked p3–650 (@804) with 256MB RAM
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[00:43:54] Suggley: Hi – have MythTV up and running and recording well etc. was wondering if any1 had amu good tutorials as to how to have a recording transcoded to x264 or xvid after recording has been completed?
[00:43:55] mzb_d800: however, I'm watching SD, not HDTV
[00:44:19] Suggley: amy = any
[00:44:29] mzb_d800: google for "mythtv custom job"
[00:44:58] Suggley: thaxnx
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[00:46:21] mzb_d800: eg:
[00:46:25] mzb_d800: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=346778
[00:47:29] mzb_d800: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs
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[01:09:02] Suggley: mzb – i see people talk about checking the commercial cuts – is that something that can be done within myth? if so ruffley what menu should i be looking in?
[01:09:23] mzb_d800: watch the recording
[01:09:49] mzb_d800: press E (?) for edit
[01:09:58] mzb_d800: check the wiki for key bindings
[01:10:02] Suggley: ahhh sweet thanks very much
[01:10:06] mzb_d800: np
[01:11:10] Suggley: sorry – am a little noob to this – and just getting confused as to a general place to get all this infomation together – once i figure this all out i will post a thread somewhere in regards to it to make it a little simple for others :)
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[01:23:19] kormoc: Suggley, the wiki *is* the place to post stuff, adding threads to other locations limits who will see it
[01:25:26] Suggley: no probs once i get it all together i will write something
[01:28:09] Suggley: Ultimately – just a quick guide to recording tv etc – and then converting to Xvid or x264
[01:28:47] Suggley: its been a while since i played with video compression – can xvid hold 5.1 surround etc now?
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[01:32:00] iamben: Suggley: xvid doesnt hold ANY audio
[01:32:07] iamben: you can use xvid alongside ac3 if you like
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[01:35:58] Kazan: Suggley: xvid is video only... it's used in conjunction with a audio codec such as ac3
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[01:37:43] mzb_d800: and then put in a container (ie. avi)
[01:37:55] mzb_d800: (right?)
[01:38:48] iamben: yes
[01:40:49] Suggley: ahh cool – so i can use the ac3 audio codec to keep surround sound
[01:40:50] Suggley: nice
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[01:41:55] Suggley: now i havent played with rippin dvd's in myth yet – but i assume u can use these scripts to rip a dvd as well?
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[02:56:16] Kazan: hmm
[02:56:18] ** Kazan grumbles **
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[02:57:52] leprechau: im stuck on getting my remote working with mythtv
[02:57:54] leprechau: :/
[02:58:15] mzb_d800: Suggley: mythdvd &/| mytharchive
[02:58:24] leprechau: lircd is up and running with mceusb2 ... all of the button presses show up in irw ... but I don't get any response in mythtv
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[03:14:21] mzb_d800: leprechau: running irxevent ?
[03:16:38] mzb_d800: _and_ got a valid lircrc in ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?
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[03:25:59] mzb_d800: when building from svn am I supposed to be using tune | arch | cpu ?
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[03:34:31] mzb_d800: or just --enable-proc-opt ? (which probably doesn't make sense for a P3 ... when I only want the _possibility_ of recording HDTV, not watching it)
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[03:39:50] mikeones: hello
[03:44:20] mikeones: anyone running this kernel?
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[03:44:36] mikeones: I am having sound problems
[03:44:47] mzb_d800: trying: ./configure --enable-xvmc-opengl --enable-opengl-video --arch=i686 --cpu=pentium3
[03:45:12] mzb_d800: mikeones: no, not me
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[03:45:55] leprechau: mzb_d800, no not running irxevent ... but i tried it with and without
[03:46:09] leprechau: it didn't make a difference....also I am using these config files....
[03:46:14] mzb_d800: got lircrc's defined?
[03:46:36] leprechau: http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=8048
[03:48:51] mzb_d800: http://www.lirc.org/html/configure.html
[03:48:57] mzb_d800: ref: irexec
[03:49:02] mzb_d800: (test for sanity)
[03:50:22] mzb_d800: and you have that in ~/.lircrc *AND* ~/.mythtv/lircrc ??
[03:50:26] mzb_d800: (or linked?)
[03:50:29] leprechau: yes
[03:50:38] leprechau: ~/.lircrc linked to ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[03:50:57] mzb_d800: right, change one of the keys to do an irexec
[03:51:02] mzb_d800: and make sure it's working
[03:51:12] leprechau: i did...the power button
[03:51:20] mzb_d800: I suspect I need irxevent running in the background, but ymmv
[03:51:20] leprechau: and it launches my test script
[03:51:26] mzb_d800: s/I need/you need/
[03:51:45] mzb_d800: does it still do that when mythtv is running?
[03:51:54] leprechau: yes
[03:52:57] mzb_d800: right, so add another definition for POWER button using prog mythtv as config = Esc
[03:53:04] mzb_d800: then try again
[03:53:30] mzb_d800: (probably need to restart X (or at least mythfrontend + *ir*-related progs)
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[04:14:14] mzb_d800: I suspect I should have used --arch=i386
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[04:54:21] anxt: with the ivtv driver, does anyone have the first 20 seconds or so garbled? like top of screen folded over or something?
[04:58:07] bsdfox__: I don't
[04:58:59] anxt: i didn't used to
[04:59:00] anxt: weird
[04:59:08] anxt: new kernel new ivtv
[04:59:16] anxt: maybe i should try and roll back a kernel and ivtv
[04:59:32] anxt: dmesg doesn't complain about anything
[04:59:39] bsdfox__: I am on .23 with new ivtv also
[05:00:31] bsdfox__: 0.10.1-r1 for ivtv
[05:00:53] anxt: 1.0.2
[05:01:00] anxt: i will try 0.10.1-r1
[05:01:29] bsdfox__: that's a big jump :P
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[05:14:25] mikeones: anxt: what kernel?
[05:15:37] anxt: 2.6.23
[05:15:46] anxt: err
[05:15:49] anxt: 2.6.22 rather
[05:17:16] anxt: guess 0.10.1 isn't an option unless i change kernel
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[05:18:48] mikeones: I have had issues with sound on the newer kernel
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[05:19:28] mikeones: I had to downgrade to 2.6.22.9-slh64-smp-1 x86_64
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[05:20:30] anxt: i don't change kernels much
[05:20:42] anxt: when i have it working good i just leave it
[05:20:59] anxt: the old ivtv was pulled form portage though, and i like having portage build it for me
[05:21:35] anxt: i am using a vendor patched kernel too
[05:21:39] anxt: perhaps i should go to vanilla
[05:22:36] anxt: make oldconfig rocks
[05:23:57] bsdfox: I'm on gentoo too
[05:24:16] bsdfox: gentoo-sources-2.6.23
[05:25:58] anxt: i have done a massive rebuild of the box though
[05:26:21] anxt: umm that was a useless comment nm
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[05:27:01] tcpsyn: I'm having a hard time setting up my channels... I have an ntsc card and an atsc card.
[05:27:12] tcpsyn: and I want to prefer the atsc card when possible.
[05:27:23] tcpsyn: But I don't want to record on any channel.
[05:27:32] tcpsyn: so I have wcvb and wcvb-hd
[05:27:43] tcpsyn: If the atsc card is availabe, I want to record on wcvb-hd
[05:27:47] tcpsyn: if not on wcvb
[05:27:52] tcpsyn: and I want to exclude all other channels
[05:27:58] tcpsyn: what is the most efficent way to do that?
[05:28:58] bsdfox: tcpsyn: probably setup two different video sources and delete channels from the one associated with atsc
[05:29:16] bsdfox: I think that leads to a somewhat screwy looking program guide though, but I've never tried it
[05:29:18] tcpsyn: then if the atsc card is unavailable, the show doesn't get recorded by ntsc
[05:30:02] tcpsyn: thats how I have it set up now... one video source is only hd channels
[05:30:07] tcpsyn: and the other is all my cable channels
[05:30:20] tcpsyn: I just want to prefer the hd channels
[05:30:22] tcpsyn: ohhh.
[05:30:28] tcpsyn: maybe I prefer the channel instead of the tuner
[05:30:41] bsdfox: you can set the tuner priorities but I dunno if that will help
[05:30:55] bsdfox: yeah I think there are settings for that actually
[05:31:28] tcpsyn: see the thing is..
[05:31:32] tcpsyn: a show like law an order
[05:31:37] tcpsyn: I only want on cbs.
[05:31:48] tcpsyn: I don't want to pick up all the marathons on like USA
[05:31:55] tcpsyn: I wonder if I can exclude channels
[05:33:33] anxt: yeah
[05:33:43] anxt: when you chose to record, selct record on this channel only
[05:33:47] anxt: choose*
[05:34:02] tcpsyn: but if the tuner is unavailable
[05:34:02] anxt: so find and oocurence of it on a channel you want and set recording accordingly
[05:34:07] anxt: dunno
[05:34:08] tcpsyn: I still want to record the show
[05:34:13] anxt: i am an end user lol
[05:34:24] anxt: get more tuners?
[05:34:26] anxt: heh
[05:34:36] tcpsyn: no no.
[05:34:42] tcpsyn: If I can't record it on my HD tuner.
[05:34:49] tcpsyn: Then I want to record it on my SD tuner
[05:34:51] tcpsyn: simple
[05:35:17] anxt: well you can set priority
[05:35:21] anxt: that is all i know though
[05:35:39] anxt: set hd tuner as high prioty, and onther as lower
[05:38:24] tcpsyn: ahhh. looks like I have to set the callsigns the same
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[06:18:35] gib: How can I get TV playback to use xxmc. I use it with xine for DVD playback and it cuts my cpu usage in half.
[06:20:17] mzb_d800: s/xvmc
[06:20:22] mzb_d800: see the wiki
[06:20:35] Dagmar: It'a automatic
[06:21:14] mzb_d800: I thought you had to set the xvmc lib in /etc/X11 somewhere (for nvidia, for example)
[06:21:34] gib: nvidia prop drivers only work with their own version of xvmc which they call xxmc instead.
[06:21:57] mzb_d800: funny, I'm using nvidia, but it's called xvmc
[06:23:16] gib: If I choose xvmc in xine it crashes right after loading, but it running great (50% less cpu usage than xv) if I choose xxmc.
[06:25:47] mzb_d800: cat /etc/X11/XvMCConfig
[06:25:47] mzb_d800: libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1
[06:26:22] mzb_d800: it's in docs somewhere (ie. I didn't come up with that by reading TOO much ;)
[06:26:54] gib: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Configuration
[06:27:03] mzb_d800: # grep -i xv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:27:03] mzb_d800: (II) Loading extension XVideo
[06:27:03] mzb_d800: (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
[06:27:59] gib: There is where I read that Nvidia uses it's own version of xvmc called xxmc. Maybe libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 is really a xxmc lib
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[06:28:19] Dagmar: Yep, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
[06:28:26] mzb_d800: :)
[06:28:53] mzb_d800: my early attempts to get xvmc going without that resulted in:
[06:28:56] mzb_d800: VideoOutputXv Error: XvMC output requested, but is not supported by display.
[06:29:20] mzb_d800: err ... actually I lie ... should pull my head in now ;)
[06:29:35] Dagmar: xxmc and xvmc are not the same lib
[06:29:38] mzb_d800: that's a current error, too
[06:29:44] Dagmar: Nor are they replacements for each other in the way you seem to think
[06:29:48] mzb_d800: I'd better fix that ;)
[06:29:51] Dagmar: xxmc is a different level of accelleration
[06:30:29] gib: It does more than xvmc, and is not nvidia specific, they just are the first to implement?
[06:31:23] gib: So, is it possible then to do xxmc with anything other than xine?
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[06:35:43] Dagmar: You need to google more
[06:35:50] Dagmar: You still don't know what you're looking at.
[06:36:09] Dagmar: There is no API or hardware feature called "xxmc".
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[06:37:52] anxt: i use xxxv
[06:37:56] anxt: for mplayer out
[06:38:01] Dagmar: Better skintones?
[06:38:04] anxt: oh wait that is different lol
[06:38:12] anxt: Dagmar: something like that
[06:38:16] gib: I never said there was. Just that the xxmc driver offloads more work to the gpu than xvmc driver.
[06:38:17] anxt: less shadows and muff
[06:38:33] Dagmar: gib: Really? What xxmc driver would that be?
[06:38:34] cheshair: hi all of you guys!
[06:39:30] Dagmar: I'll say again, there is no API or hardware feature called xxmc. There is no driver called xxmc.
[06:40:32] Dagmar: You are mistaking a plugin for a media player for an actual feature of X.
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[06:40:49] gib: Look, I'm no expert, nor ever claimed to be one, I just want to know how to offload as much as possible to the gpu 'cause I have a lightweight processor.
[06:40:57] Dagmar: There is no xxmc driver.
[06:41:02] Dagmar: Google more.
[06:41:04] Dagmar: http://wiki.openchrome.org/pipermail/openchro . . . /000560.html
[06:41:51] Dagmar: Myth will have done the things necessary to use XvMC when it was compiled unless you got some really crappy binaries
[06:43:35] gib: I call it a driver because you select it in xine in the box "select the driver to use." If that's not technically correct, I'm sorry.
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[06:48:13] mzb_d800: appears to be a "video option" for via xvmc
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[06:49:38] gib: I tried that one and it crashes on me.
[06:50:18] gib: But maybe I just need to configure like you said. I'll do that and retry.
[06:50:43] Dagmar: You don't need to do much beyond letting MythTV's configure script autodetect your stuff.
[06:50:53] Dagmar: and one last time...
[06:50:57] Dagmar: THERE IS NO XXMC DRIVER.
[06:51:40] Dagmar: MythTV uses XvMC by default so long as you don't muck with it
[06:54:10] gib: If it's that much of a touchy subject with you maybe you ought to ream out the Xine team for calling the dropdown box you pick it from "video driver to use" then.  :) I was just going by what I read, and again, because I'm not well versed in this area.
[06:54:58] Dagmar: So then why the FUCK are you arguing with someone who IS well-versed?
[06:55:09] Dagmar: I'm not "touchy" about it.
[06:55:22] Dagmar: I'm irritated that I've said this several times now, and you've ignored the answer every time.
[06:55:39] Dagmar: Xine's output drivers are not video card drivers.
[06:56:04] Dagmar: Just because the word "driver" is involved doesn't mean what you're looking at is the same type of "driver" as any other kind of "driver"
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[07:00:07] gib: Of course it's not that kind of driver. xine is using the term loosely and you're strict on semantics. I guess I'd better just leave because I'm not expert enough to phrase everything to your liking, and will just piss unintentionally again. I feel like I'm walking on glass in here.
[07:00:37] Dagmar: No, YOU were the one using the term loosely, and clinging desperately to the idea that there's some level of accelleration beyond XvMC that you can get
[07:00:46] Dagmar: You know how I found http://wiki.openchrome.org/pipermail/openchro . . . 000560.html?
[07:01:07] Dagmar: I googled for the actual *name* of xxmc which is "eXtendeded XVMC"
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[07:01:19] Dagmar: It's an output plugin It's not a driver.
[07:01:27] Dagmar: It's not something MythTV can use, or even needds.
[07:02:26] gib: All I know is that when I selected xxmc I got an exceptional drop in cpu usage, and was wondering if it is possible to that that outside of xine. That's it.
[07:04:46] Dagmar: And you're not listening to a damn thing I've said
[07:05:04] Dagmar: When you selected that output plugin with Xine, then Xine used XvMC
[07:05:19] Dagmar: ...it would not have been using XvMC otherwise.
[07:05:45] Dagmar: Myth will, if you don't screw around with it when you're compiling it, link itself to libXvMC and *use it* without you having to do anything special
[07:06:40] gib: Well then, what does it use when I select XvMC in xine? It has choices for both XvMC and XXMC.
[07:07:44] Dagmar: I neither know nor care and since you don't listen I'll be damned if I'll go and look it up
[07:08:08] Dagmar: I'm pretty sure it is explained in the URL I've posted three times now.
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[07:10:40] kormoc: gib, depending on which version of myth you are running, under frontend -> setup -> playback, you can select xvmc there
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[07:12:04] gib: yes, I've tried both xvmc and via xvmc and they both crash. the only __mc that has worked for me is the xxmc in xine.
[07:12:05] Dagmar: Oh but he wants xxmc support
[07:12:26] kormoc: gib, http://olympus.het.brown.edu/cgi-bin/dwww?typ . . . ozTocId69222
[07:13:04] kormoc: all 'xxmc' does is use the unicrome xvmc, xvmc and xv in that order
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[07:13:24] kormoc: install the unicrome xvmc and you get the same thing (if you have a unicrome supported output device)
[07:13:25] gib: Dagmar, You've got to be the crabbiest SOB I've ever encountered in chat.
[07:13:42] Dagmar: Unfortunately, you're not the thickest noob I've seen.
[07:13:52] kormoc: *unichrome
[07:14:47] Dagmar: You might want to clarify that unichrome only applies to certain VIA chipsets
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[07:16:36] Diabolic: You just did that, didn't you? =)
[07:16:59] Dagmar: Yeah but the other things I said didn't stick the first time
[07:21:50] gib: Frankly, all the hostility directled at me by Dagmar, has put me off my game. I'll look go back and reread everything everybody as posted. Thanks to everyone who didn't bite my head off.
[07:24:17] anxt: you still are pullin?
[07:24:21] anxt: aren't
[07:24:30] anxt: it is all about xxxv
[07:25:48] ** anxt wants to piss of Dagmar next **
[07:26:01] anxt: well not really
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[07:26:23] anxt: i am rather ahpy by my well functioning mythtv setup
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[09:07:03] sebrock: anyone knows of the Intel DF33TL mobo works under linux?
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[09:18:01] Red_Tide: hey can you record tv with mythtv and watch a different channel at the same time?
[09:19:45] Dagmar: If you have two tuners
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[09:20:09] Red_Tide: you gotta have two tuners huh
[09:20:43] Red_Tide: what are myths recommended requirements
[09:20:47] Hoxzer: not really if the channels are in the same multiplex and you're using mythtv-multirec branch
[09:22:17] Hoxzer: Red_Tide: It really depends check "hardware" section from the docs
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[09:25:18] sebrock: no info on DG33TL motherboard?
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[09:25:38] sebrock: I only find old stuff
[09:27:24] sebrock: dammit, it's impossible to find a nice Intel 775 board with optical audio and vga+dvi
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[09:28:55] sebrock: mATX that is
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[09:37:13] sebrock: amazing, all mobos either lack one or the other feature
[09:37:59] sebrock: interesting enough AMD mobos seems to be way more equipped
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[10:48:16] mzb_d800: sebrock: what does that tell you ;)
[10:48:19] mzb_d800: ?
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[12:30:36] Hoxzer: Hmmm... Is it normal if I'm having problems with frontend not getting PG from backend if it is running on same computer but using different db ?
[12:30:50] Dagmar: Yep
[12:30:55] Hoxzer: Hmm
[12:31:07] Dagmar: Any particular reason why you're trying to keep two different databases?
[12:31:15] Hoxzer: I'm trying to get two frontends running at the same time with different settings
[12:31:24] Hoxzer: Dual Headed system
[12:31:25] Dagmar: Well, you just name them differently
[12:31:38] Hoxzer: hmmm ? frontends ?
[12:31:51] Dagmar: There's a way to tell a frontend to use a different name when you start it, but I can't remember what it is
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[12:32:21] Hoxzer: ok... I'll study that th
[12:32:21] Hoxzer: x
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[12:39:04] bert__: Hey everyone, I'm getting this error when I try to connect to Mythweb "Warning: require_once(includes/init.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /var/www/home/mythweb/mythweb.php on line 20". This is then followed by "Fatal error: require_once() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'includes/init.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/home/mythweb/my
[12:39:04] bert__: thweb.php on line 20" anyone got any ideas?
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[13:08:45] leprechau: I have been looking around google and have found some semi conflicting answers as to wheather the ir blaster support included with the mceusb device is supported
[13:08:56] leprechau: does anyone know for sure and/or have a link to a configuration site?
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[13:10:33] mzb_d800: plug it in and work it out>
[13:10:36] mzb_d800: ?
[13:10:56] leprechau: hehe
[13:11:00] mzb_d800: sorry, dont have one, going to bed
[13:11:06] leprechau: night
[13:11:13] leprechau: thanks for the help yesterday btw
[13:11:15] leprechau: appreciate it
[13:11:26] leprechau: got the remote reciever part working just fine
[13:11:37] leprechau: *receiver
[13:14:54] mzb_d800: k, great
[13:15:36] mzb_d800: can't remember yesterday (went out for dinner ... totally pissed;)
[13:15:51] mzb_d800: but thx 4 saying so ;)
[13:17:01] mzb_d800: google is a wonderous tool, and I think they should pay me $heap$ for saying so ;)
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[13:18:31] mzb_d800: sorry, can't keep eyes open ... have show recording that I want to watch at 90% ( a speed my brain might be capable of;)
[13:19:24] Dibblah: leprechau: MCEUSB2, it definitely is.
[13:19:59] Dibblah: No idea about the MCE, since I don't have that hardware.
[13:20:34] leprechau: that is what i have
[13:20:36] leprechau: mceusb2
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[14:17:33] DustyBin: should mythtv boxes really be dedicated to just mythtv for the best possible perfomance?
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[14:18:51] siXy: hi
[14:19:17] siXy: http://rafb.net/p/P5vuXK95.html < this happens when attempting to play back a file ripped from dvd
[14:20:36] Dagmar: Yeah, so?
[14:21:01] siXy: it doesnt play :) it just dies after a few seconds, or immediately if i try to skip
[14:21:48] GreyFoxx: DustyBin: There are way too many variables to answer that
[14:22:08] siXy: this is using the internal player by the way, with sound send to /dev/null for testing
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[14:23:01] DustyBin: GreyFoxx: but on the whole, mythtv is replacing your PVR, so you wouldnt stick a mail server on your PVR would you..?
[14:23:33] GreyFoxx: I don't see any reason you couldn't do mail on it
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[14:23:34] siXy: the orginial dvd plays fine, as does every other video file i have, except those ripped using mythdvd.
[14:23:36] DustyBin: i think mythtv takes a lot of resources, so it would be wise to keep your mythtv box just mythtv
[14:23:40] GreyFoxx: unless you are using very old slow hardware
[14:23:44] GreyFoxx: or have a huge amount of users
[14:23:57] GreyFoxx: Like I said there are a lot fo variables
[14:24:03] gbee: kolby: does that two seconds matter? I mean it doesn't make much difference unless you like to hear news bullentins the exact instant they are made ;)
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[14:24:13] DustyBin: would else do you run on your myth box greyfox?
[14:24:19] kolby: gbee: for games. TRUST me
[14:24:37] GreyFoxx: My masterbackend for instance runs myth, mysql, is the house file server, is the house dhcp server, runs mythweb, backuppc, cacti and random other stuff
[14:25:03] DustyBin: aye ok
[14:25:18] GreyFoxx: It really depends on the hardware you are using and what other stuff you want on it
[14:25:39] Timelord_: Hi anybody know if the Hauppauge WinTv Nova TD USB stick works?
[14:25:48] GreyFoxx: if you are recording from pvr cards then recording is almost 0% load
[14:25:56] GreyFoxx: if it's from dvb load is almost nothing as well
[14:25:59] DustyBin: i got a pentium 3.2 in my box and its not even using HD
[14:26:03] kolby: gbee: it's just annoying. I change channels on the satellite box, and it takes two seconds before I see the result. It makes channel surfing hard.
[14:26:04] Timelord_: I see the single tuner version has support but I'm not sure about the dual
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[14:26:15] gbee: mythbackend uses hardly any resources – mythfrontend uses a lot more, but even then I run mythfrontend on my notebook with several other apps running in the background
[14:26:17] GreyFoxx: Dusty then you would have no problem running a mail server on there
[14:26:32] leprechau: so...lirc question...is there a way to convert/compact an lirc config file generated in raw mode to look like the ones that you see more commonly?
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[14:27:24] gbee: kolby: most mythtv users don't watch livetv and of those that do, hardly any channel surf – they use the browse OSD or channel guide to find something to watch
[14:27:44] sebrock: Got a question. Looking at some cooling heatsinks and it says "good for 1U / 2U systems", what does that mean?
[14:28:06] kolby: gbee: I couldn't get channel guide working
[14:28:07] siXy: sebrock: XU is a measurement of rackmmount server height
[14:28:12] Dagmar: It means the damn thing is short
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[14:28:17] gbee: more normal use of mythtv is to record *everything* you might want to watch, then pick out a recording from the list when you are bored and want to watch TV
[14:28:23] sebrock: aha OK
[14:28:23] Dagmar: 1U =~ 1.75 inches high
[14:28:28] sebrock: thanks
[14:28:34] siXy: 1U case is about 1.5" high
[14:28:47] sebrock: Looking to cool a core 2 duo, but I need something thats not higher than 35 mm
[14:28:48] DustyBin: GreyFoxx: my box runs: MythTV, Postfix, ZoneMinder, SFTP, Streams music to shoutcast radio stream, and other little things, do you think its ok to keep it all on one box, or should i split it up and build another low powered ickle one
[14:28:57] sebrock: and not noisy
[14:29:30] kolby: gbee: well, thank you. When I upgrade to Ubuntu 7.10 today, I'll have the newer mythTV that supports the 'non-profit' channel guide service.
[14:29:37] siXy: sebrock: 1U servers normally sound something like jet engines
[14:29:48] sebrock: hhahah
[14:29:51] gbee: kolby: well that's pretty strange, channel guide should just work – if it doesn't then either you are hitting a rare bug or you've misconfigured somrthing
[14:30:03] gbee: kolby: heh, ok that explains it then
[14:30:09] kolby: gbee: lol. Well, I _am_ using a satellite box
[14:30:28] Dagmar: siXy: Well, in all honestly, servers are designed with "quiet" at the bottom of the priority list.
[14:30:56] kolby: gbee: is there at least some way to make my computer feed the stream directly into the TV?
[14:31:13] siXy: Dagmar: yeah exactly
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[14:31:22] Dagmar: Low heat and low power come in as being WAY more important than how much noise they might be making in a room where no one is normally at with air conditioners that roar like a car engine
[14:31:34] gbee: kolby: so am I (at least for one of the inputs) – setup there is a little more work, but your problem sounds like the lack of any programme guide data because of the Zap2It shutdown ;)
[14:31:35] leprechau: kolby, I would love to figure out the same
[14:31:38] siXy: sebrock: check out somehting like this site: http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products if you want quiet
[14:31:38] Dagmar: We're up to like 50–60 dbA
[14:32:00] kolby: thanks guys
[14:32:07] siXy: Dagmar: have to wear earmuffs in our server room. i hate health & safety crap :S
[14:32:28] ** kolby sighs for lack of simple program **
[14:32:30] leprechau: I have a comcast box and like using the On Demand menu of the comcast box....but that two second lag is ungodly
[14:32:34] gbee: kolby: yeah, but not through mythtv and you'll still see a few milliseconds of delay – something like xawtv might do what you want
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[14:32:47] sebrock: siXy, thing is the damn thing cant be higher than 35 mm
[14:32:52] kolby: gbee: xawTV???  :)
[14:33:19] gbee: note I don't actually know that xawtv supports ivtv cards – just the only tv application I can think of at this moment
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[14:34:02] kolby: gbee: hey, if it does what I want, I'll use both. By the way, for me it's not a few milliseconds. It's a whole 2!! That's a long time...  :( ...it is. It's in the dictionary lol
[14:34:03] Dagmar: 35mm is a bit ludicrous
[14:34:12] Dagmar: You need heat pipe if that's your upper ceiling
[14:34:25] kolby: gbee: okay, well, I'll try it and see
[14:34:34] gbee: kolby: simple application that doesn't record, but just dumps the card output to the screen/tv
[14:34:51] kolby: gbee: exactly sir
[14:35:03] Dagmar: I would think xawtv is just including a rudimentary mpeg video renderer
[14:35:07] siXy: sebrock: depending on your cpu choice you may need to reconsider your choice of case if you value quietness
[14:35:10] kolby: gbee: if I only knew my pipes
[14:35:26] gbee: kolby: yeah mythtv takes longer than something like xatv because it's a PVR – meaning it records everything so that you can pause, rewind etc
[14:35:28] sebrock: Dagmar, anything that will cool it. Core 2 Duo 2.0 E4400 in frontend, using a Silverstone ML02
[14:35:48] Dagmar: Oh you're going to have fun
[14:35:52] Dagmar: Ask Silverstone what they recommend
[14:35:55] sebrock: siXy case is Silverstone ML02
[14:35:57] siXy: core 2 duo with a 35mm HSF? thats going to sound like a jet engine...
[14:35:58] Dagmar: They might well be selling something
[14:36:06] kolby: gbee: okay.... I suppose I'm not expecting something written in asm, but...
[14:36:21] siXy: try a cooler cpu and go passive maybe... or a bigger case
[14:36:24] sebrock: Silverstone doesnt
[14:36:32] Dagmar: siXy: Well, not necessarily. Rather more common than used to be are heat pipes connected from the sink that's on the CPU that go to an actual assembly of fins with a larger fan attached
[14:36:40] siXy: they do have bigger cases, i have one :P
[14:36:43] sebrock: case is practically open above the whole mobo
[14:36:55] sebrock: it all wentholes
[14:37:26] sebrock: All solutions I look at has some flaws, really need at least 1 dvi and one vga
[14:37:30] siXy: Dagmar: yeah thats what happens with those amazing hfx cases, but barring spending a lot of money on a hfx case i've not seen any commercial solutions that do that
[14:37:51] Dagmar: Here's one example, although I think it's probably taller than 35mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103026
[14:38:21] Dagmar: Notice that there's just this big gap in the middle. Those pipes draw the heat out of the sink that's on the CPU and into the convection cooler at the top
[14:38:30] sebrock: what does the term "Thermal Design Power" stand for? CPU says 65W and Hiper got a heatsink+fan under 35mm thats 23dB
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[14:38:49] sebrock: and it says up to 119W Thermal Power
[14:38:54] kolby: gbee: man, after boot camp when I'm living on my own, I'm getting digital cable instead of satellite.
[14:39:01] siXy: Dagmar: ah i havent seen that one before – but thats huge xD
[14:39:03] Dagmar: Oh hey and lookie here's a shortie... 24.3mm high it says http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106069
[14:39:04] gbee: kolby: it's not really a mythtv code thing, just the inevitable delay caused by first writing the file to the disk and then reading back with sufficient buffering to recover from glitches
[14:39:21] Dagmar: Oh wait, nevermind, the fan is 24.3, the heatsink is 66.
[14:39:33] Dagmar: This is why I'm saying you need some kinda heat pipe thing
[14:39:52] Dagmar: 35mm clearance is going to be *bitchy*
[14:40:00] sebrock: Yeah I guess so...
[14:40:12] Dagmar: gbee: Well, there's the matter of "encoder buckets take time to fill" as well
[14:40:12] siXy: yeah – but with only 35mm to play with its going to need to be some custom thing that attaches to the case itself i think
[14:40:46] Dagmar: sebrock: Sounds like marketing bullshit to me
[14:41:01] siXy: sebrock: might be work seeing what silverstone inted you to use in that case
[14:41:17] gbee: like I said, most people, once they have been using mythtv for a while, change the way they watch tv – instead of channel surfing or racing home to catch their favourite programs, they go through the weeks tv, schedule everything that looks interesting to record, then when they feel like watching some TV they have a bunch of stuff saved up waiting for them
[14:41:28] siXy: as they must have some cooling solution in mind if they are giving you that little space
[14:41:33] sebrock: http://www.hipergroup.com/English/products/hfc-10828-c2.html
[14:41:34] Dagmar: While wattage does more or less translate into heat due to power consumption, the same ain't exactly true of the converse
[14:41:41] kolby: gbee: makes sense. I think the solution I'm going to go with is using a little signal splitter thing that outputs the cable to both my tv and computer. That's how I'll do it.
[14:41:51] gbee: Dagmar: aye, though that delay would be common to all applications and OS
[14:41:56] sebrock: siXy they say mobile on desktop stuff, however I cant find a suitable mobo for that :(
[14:42:31] siXy: sebrock: abit do some good MoDT boards
[14:42:53] siXy: but i admit that hyper hsf looks a reasonable bet
[14:42:58] sebrock: basically I want DVI+VGA (or HDMI) and an optical out for sound
[14:43:17] kolby: gbee: am I going to be stuck with schedulesdirect? There's no other option for me?
[14:43:39] siXy: sebrock: there are several abit MoDT boards with HDMI out – i have had issues gettiing the HDMI out to work with the samsung lcds i was testing at the time however
[14:44:03] sebrock: awww
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[14:44:18] siXy: sebrock: its called the IL-90MV iirc
[14:44:27] sebrock: so the Hiper thing is considered BS?
[14:44:46] siXy: nah it might be fine – ive not seen let alone used on tho so i cant really comment
[14:44:53] gbee: kolby: there are always other options, but it's a question of quality and time – if you don't mind lower quality you might find something like EIT to be suitable, or you could try on of the many (legally questionable) screen-scrappers for guide data
[14:45:23] sebrock: siXy, any luck with picture through hdmi?
[14:45:24] kolby: gbee: yeah... if I could just get EIT that'd work for my needs :)
[14:45:34] siXy: kolby: EIT (in the uk anyway) has got much better of late – its now good enough i dont bother with the xmltv grabber anymore
[14:45:36] gbee: kolby: I'm not in North America and so this is pretty easy for me to say, but IMHO your time is probably worth more than the $20 a year than SD charge
[14:45:53] gbee: s/than/that/
[14:46:10] ** gbee thinks he's had just a little too much caffeine **
[14:46:11] kolby: gbee: nice correction technique
[14:46:15] siXy: sebrock: no but i had very limited testing time, there may well have been a bios fix or some other issue.
[14:46:40] kolby: gbee: yeah... it won't matter. I'm going to boot camp in two weeks man. lol
[14:46:52] sebrock: ok
[14:46:56] gbee: :)
[14:47:04] siXy: gbee: careful with correcting like that – last night someone tried exectuing a correction as he thought it was meant to be a command
[14:47:19] kolby: siXy: maybe I'll get stationed in Europe then. Italy has four US Navy ports
[14:47:21] Dagmar: kolby: It's commonly referred to as seddish. You must be new to IRC.
[14:47:34] gbee: siXy: heh
[14:47:58] siXy: and on that note its time for me to go to work. bbiab
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[14:48:48] kolby: Dagmar: lol. Yeah, I was surprised to see a command line argument... so what.
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[14:49:22] Dagmar: It's not a "command line argument" it's a regexp, although his was unterminated.
[14:49:32] Dagmar: Should have actually been s/foo/bar/;
[14:49:40] gbee: Dagmar: even I didn't know that, it's just a natural (if geeky) way of correcting a typo when you're talking to another programmer – given I spend more time in #mythtv than #mythtv-users I tend to forget that I'm talking to users ;)
[14:49:42] kolby: Dagmar: hmmm.
[14:50:00] Dagmar: gbee: SCrew em if they can't understand a replace regexp.  ;)
[14:50:07] Dagmar: s/replace/substitution/;
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[14:53:41] sebrock: whats the least mobile processor to do 1080p?
[14:53:59] kolby: Dagmar: regexp is in the GNU C Lib. right?
[14:54:00] sebrock: if anyone happens to know right away
[14:54:11] sebrock: seems my ultimate frontend is a fantasy
[14:54:32] gbee: heh, PCWorld have again announced that they are seriously struggling to shift Vista PCs
[14:54:41] kolby: Dagmar: isn't there another library too? like... regexp.h or something?
[14:56:23] kolby: gbee: They gave Ubuntu something like a 92/100 rating in their applications ratings.
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[14:58:16] kolby: sebrock: 'least mobile'  ???
[14:58:25] kolby: sebrock: 'least mobile' processor?
[14:58:58] gbee: kolby: probably a different PC World (UK vs US), think PC World is a magazine/website over there – here it's the major PC retailer
[15:00:29] kolby: gbee: well, I read a magazine at Walmart from PC World a few months ago that said it. A few weeks ago Tux was on the front of the magazine sitting on a Vista symbol.
[15:00:43] gbee: http://www.pcworld.co.uk/ << note what it says just below "Shop PC World" on every page!
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[15:01:17] sebrock: kolby, nevermind, got it
[15:01:47] kolby: sebrock: ok
[15:02:06] kolby: well... I'm going to upgrade to Gutsy now.
[15:02:12] kolby: thanks .
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[15:12:34] Hoxzer: I suppose LocalHostName in mysql.txt has to be valid (not random) =
[15:12:36] Hoxzer: ?
[15:13:13] GreyFoxx: that's just an override
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[15:13:57] GreyFoxx: It only needs to be set if you don't want to use the hostname of the box you are running on\
[15:15:37] Hoxzer: Yeah
[15:16:06] Hoxzer: But I dont seem to get connection to db if it has other value than my local host name
[15:16:24] Hoxzer: *value *other* than...
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[15:17:12] Hoxzer: so does it have to be same as localhostname is ?
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[15:19:30] GreyFoxx: hoxer: if you type "hostname" in a xterm what does it return ?
[15:20:26] Hoxzer: yeah, it returns my hostname
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[15:25:42] sebrock: oh shit, MoDT was expensive
[15:25:53] sebrock: there goes my frontend out the window
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[15:33:06] sebrock: is there any other setup thats not to hot and would fit inside the silverstone ML02 and still be capable of 1080p?
[15:33:12] sebrock: some VIA stuff?
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[15:37:30] SiD3WiNDR: what's MoDT ? :]
[15:37:38] SiD3WiNDR: afaik via stuff doesn't do hd at all
[15:37:58] sebrock: mobile on desktop
[15:38:35] sebrock: I could never imagine how hard it is to setup a HD-frontend that is not big as hell
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[15:45:21] AndyCap: sebrock: just mount the naked motherboard on the back of the tv and use an enormous heatsink. :-P
[15:45:39] sebrock: heh right on :D
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[15:45:47] sebrock: TV is wallmounted though
[15:47:30] gbee: thought they were shipping some lower power (~45w) desktop processors now?
[15:47:55] sebrock: yeah, but still cooling is a problem
[15:48:07] Dagmar: Work == Heat
[15:48:15] sebrock: the core 2 duo has a thermal design of 65W
[15:48:16] Dagmar: Power != work
[15:48:30] gbee: !trout Dagmar
[15:48:30] ** MythLogBot slaps Dagmar with a trout on behalf of gbee... **
[15:48:37] Dagmar: Coward
[15:48:46] gbee: of course ;)
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[15:49:02] sebrock: so, how are your frontends?
[15:49:17] sebrock: you do full HD?
[15:49:48] gbee: no unencypted HD in the UK
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[15:50:34] sebrock: so what systems do you use?
[15:54:48] gbee: combined FE/BE with Athlon 1.4Ghz (runs hot and a little noisy) and a Turion MT30 laptop are my two frontends – nothing fancy since I'm not married and don't have to provide frontends for every room of the house ;)
[15:55:58] gbee: when I'm not finding other things to spend my money on, then I want to replace that big ugly combined fe/be with an Asus Pundit based system
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[15:57:38] gbee: I'm also investigating the possibilty of converting an ancient laptop into a wall mounted kitchen frontend – probably requires some code improvements though if I'm going to manage it
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[16:01:34] gbee: that machine is a K6 600Mhz beast with a pitiful 64Mb of ram
[16:01:43] gbee: but I like a challenge
[16:01:59] sebrock: All I basically want is a frontend that can do 1080p and fit inside the Silverstone ML02. Without having to break my savings
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[16:02:24] sebrock: typically the same performance as the Mac Mini
[16:02:46] sebrock: but all setups I try out seems to cost way way more
[16:02:54] jams: gbee- if you want a challenge you should finish fixing mythweather =)
[16:03:03] gbee: sebrock: I'm sure it's possible, I just don't know the current state of hardware performance and cost, it's been a while since I did any shopping for that stuff
[16:03:23] gbee: jams: yeah, I've got too many projects on the go ;)
[16:04:09] gbee: jams: rest assured, I've not forgotten mythweather, will be in better shape before 0.21 is released
[16:04:18] mkrufky: #nvidia seems useless.... does anybody know if the 8500 is supported in the current binary driver?
[16:04:22] jams: i'm just ticked off at it right now
[16:04:37] gbee: right now, the biggest pain with mythweather is that the -wide theme is broken
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[16:04:44] sebrock: gbee, well I was looking at this using a Intel 775 gigabyte board. But CPU cooling is the bottleneck
[16:05:01] jams: to me the biggest pain is that i can't select any sources
[16:05:01] sebrock: problem is I need the cpu-cooler to not to be higher than 35mm
[16:06:08] sebrock: wont fit in the ML02 otherwise
[16:06:13] jams: gbee, any problems with applying a patch that would add mythsmolt to the menu?
[16:06:27] janneg: mkrufky: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.09.html
[16:06:34] mkrufky: thanks janneg
[16:06:37] janneg: that's a yes
[16:07:01] mkrufky: yes :-)
[16:07:22] mkrufky: i must assume that ubuntu's gutsy driver is either farked, or my setup is wrong
[16:07:35] mkrufky: but i just threw in the card last night, and didnt spend any debug time on it
[16:07:40] gbee: jams: only that juski will kill me for adding another watermark
[16:07:43] mkrufky: probably will be okay after i play w it tonight
[16:07:58] jams: heh..ok i will whip up the patch then
[16:08:04] mkrufky: i went out with the intention of buying a 7600 last night, but came home with an 8500 ...
[16:08:10] AndyCap: what is mythsmolt?
[16:08:19] jams: perhaps it can even become an official plugin
[16:08:42] gbee: jams: can I test the plugin when it's ready?
[16:08:53] jams: gbee- oh sure no problem
[16:09:12] jams: the plugin itself is ready, just need todo more work on the server side.
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[16:09:38] jams: the big downside is that it requires dbus/hal to gather the info
[16:10:08] Dagmar: So what IS is?
[16:10:13] Dagmar: s/is/it/;?
[16:10:24] AndyCap: jams: just run smolt from myth?
[16:10:35] jams: AndyCap- pretty much
[16:10:58] jams: it has a few custom things, and i have a myth specific smolt server running.
[16:10:59] gbee: AndyCap: I was looking for some pun or joke there, but I can't find a good one – so the truth is that it's a hardware profiling plugin, submits results to a central server to help users and devs see what hardware everyone is using
[16:11:25] AndyCap: gbee: yeah. I've seen smolt on fedora.
[16:11:54] Dagmar: Wait, this is just a glorified sysinfo?
[16:12:05] gbee: one nice idea is that users could provide their UUID with a bug report, so devs have access to a list of their hardware etc
[16:12:19] AndyCap: Dagmar: + dmidecode.
[16:12:47] Dagmar: Yuck
[16:13:09] jams: once the wiki is fully integrated i can see it really helping out users
[16:13:14] Dagmar: I guess it's a faster way to tell people "your framegrabber card sucks--plz die kthx"
[16:13:21] gbee: might form the basis of top hardware combinations for newbies asking what they should use to build their mythtv boxes
[16:13:32] Dagmar: Oh like they read
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[16:14:23] gbee: and what hardware people have sucessfully got HD running on etc, or what hardware users think makes the quietest frontends
[16:15:26] AndyCap: and then get hired by a company, close the db and start selling marketing data out the back door. uh. no wait, that was cddb
[16:17:49] sebrock: it's strange that AMD based mobos has a lot of low profile stuff that I'm missing on the Intel boards
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[16:18:49] AndyCap: sebrock: start looking for 1U server boards? but they'll be missing the cool soundcard etc
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[16:19:43] sebrock: I've found my perfect mobo today, however, cant seem to find a cpu cooler that will fit, so everything is down the drain
[16:19:54] sebrock: maybe I'll go back to the Mac Mini
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[16:20:25] AndyCap: sebrock: well, according to some people here that's better than sliced bread, so why not?
[16:20:57] sebrock: Aw, I just thought that Silverstone ML02 is the perfect frontend
[16:21:00] sebrock: looks so nice
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[16:21:48] AndyCap: hehe, they state right on the product page its for modt
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[16:22:49] sebrock: AndyCap, ?
[16:22:56] sebrock: the mac mini?
[16:23:02] sebrock: ah the ML02
[16:23:23] AndyCap: If only this didn't cost an arm and a leg: http://atechfabrication.com/mini_client_2500_order_form.htm
[16:23:47] sebrock: I know, but when looking at the modt prices I got a quick depression
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[16:26:10] sebrock: AndyCap, does that include CPU?
[16:28:11] AndyCap: sebrock: just a case. :)
[16:28:17] sebrock: LOL
[16:28:33] AndyCap: http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/LV-677.HTM the motherboard sans cpu
[16:29:01] sebrock: anyway that sort of cooling system would do me right aswell
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[16:29:08] sebrock: no retail product I guess
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[16:29:58] AndyCap: 203 uk pounds for the motherboard according to http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_5458.html
[16:31:23] Dagmar: That's pretty heavy
[16:32:02] leprechau: so...im getting strange things passed to my channel change script
[16:32:16] leprechau: it seems every channel has '250' appended to it
[16:32:38] sebrock: Mac Mini is supposed to boot linux as the only os right (no VM-stuff)
[16:32:41] leprechau: is there a setting on the myth side for that...or do I just need to strip it inside my script
[16:33:05] sebrock: I guess there is no other way to get performance for that price
[16:35:28] AndyCap: sebrock: and noise level..
[16:35:41] sebrock: yes
[16:36:01] sebrock: aww, well better to with that until technology gets cheaper :)
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[16:40:51] sebrock: but then again, only one DVi output
[16:40:54] sebrock: GAAAH!
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[16:44:25] AndyCap: sebrock: is that a problem?
[16:44:45] sebrock: yes, I need dual display to projector and TV
[16:44:56] AndyCap: I'd think you have a hard enough time trying to run one output in HD
[16:45:18] sebrock: technology sucks
[16:45:49] sebrock: I'm gonna have another look at MoDT stuff
[16:45:50] AndyCap: and so you could just split the output and run the same screen on tv and silverscreen
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[16:46:23] sebrock: however, how high must I go to do 1080p on a Intel MoDT CPU?
[16:46:30] sebrock: Single core would do?
[16:47:07] AndyCap: sebrock: depends on what it's encoded with
[16:47:26] sebrock: sure
[16:47:31] sebrock: lets say h264
[16:48:27] sebrock: got to go brb
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[16:48:38] AndyCap: I would think the answer is no. barring any developments in hardware gpu acceleration
[16:49:36] CharlieSu: any suggestions over a Silverstone ML02?
[16:49:51] kormoc_: paint it black?
[16:50:16] CharlieSu: anyone other than one is what I'm asking
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[16:53:40] leprechau: can anyone help me with a channel change script on myth?
[16:54:11] leprechau: myth is sending really long numbers like: 133250
[16:54:21] leprechau: to my channel change script....why?
[16:54:32] kormoc: cause that's what you have said channels set to
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[16:54:45] BULLE: leprechau: because thats the channel number you configured the channel to ahve ?
[16:54:56] leprechau: kormoc, where is that set at?
[16:55:04] kormoc: channel.channum in the db
[16:55:15] BULLE: or via the channel editor in the backend setup
[16:55:26] leprechau: is there a simple way to clear them all and startover?
[16:55:44] BULLE: just click on the delete button ?
[16:55:52] BULLE: or if it is to hit d
[16:56:01] BULLE: i dont remember, havent done it much, but its easy to delete the channels yes
[16:56:47] kormoc: depends on where you get your listings
[16:56:50] leprechau: hrm...i think i figured it out
[16:57:05] leprechau: mythv is sending the freqid to my channel change script
[16:57:10] leprechau: not the channel number
[16:58:05] leprechau: how do i fix that?
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[18:08:43] adante: any ubuntu users here
[18:09:03] adante: just curious if the mythrename script is in any package i'm missing
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[18:21:53] leprechau: alright...im almost done....last thing
[18:21:58] leprechau: de-interlacing?
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[18:44:34] iamlindoro: adante, you can just get the source, and it should be in there...
[18:44:57] iamlindoro: Not sure what package it would be included in, but probably mythtv-backend or mythtv-plugins
[18:45:02] iamlindoro: more likely backend
[18:45:40] iamlindoro: leprechau, what do you want to deinterlace, TV or your mythvideo stuff?
[18:46:45] samIam122: Today I updated my mythweb and now I am getting these errors http://pastebin.ca/741463
[18:47:07] iamlindoro: your backend runs SVN, sam?
[18:47:18] samIam122: um maybe
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[18:47:33] samIam122: I recall getting stuff by svn
[18:47:36] iamlindoro: yeah, and your mythweb is some package?
[18:47:49] samIam122: From the myth website
[18:48:04] iamlindoro: your backend is a newer version than your mythweb... you need to check out mythplugins from SVN to match the revision number of your backend
[18:48:09] iamlindoro: do a mythbackend --version
[18:48:15] iamlindoro: and you will see what SVN revision you have
[18:48:25] reclusivemonkey: hello, does anyone here have a Soungraph iMON VFD?
[18:48:48] samIam122: 14695M SVN branch TRUNK
[18:49:14] iamlindoro: then do a svn co -r 14695 http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythplugins
[18:49:36] iamlindoro: compile that mythplugins, install it, and install mythweb, and it should workk
[18:50:15] iamlindoro: reclusivemonkey, I haven't isntalled mine yet, but just bought today... is supported by lcdproc, what's your issue?
[18:50:44] iamlindoro: samiam122, what distro are you running?
[18:51:11] reclusivemonkey: iamlindoro: I can't get the remote to work with lirc 0.8.2 (the version gutsy provides). It worked "out of the box" with the version in Feisty
[18:51:18] samIam122: iamlindoro: Ubuntu
[18:51:29] samIam122: 6.10 I think
[18:51:36] iamlindoro: Edgy?
[18:51:37] iamlindoro: That old?
[18:51:48] reclusivemonkey: iamlindoro: There are no errors in the logs. lsusb reports iMON as being there but nothing from the remote with either mode2 or irw
[18:51:50] samIam122: yah, that "old" :)
[18:52:02] iamlindoro: reclusive, hang on a sec
[18:52:17] iamlindoro: samiam, make sure to do a sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv
[18:52:27] samIam122: Gets better iamlindoro, Duron 1gig, 512 MB ram
[18:52:42] iamlindoro: then in that svn checkout directory, qmake mythplugins.pro
[18:52:42] samIam122: iamlindoro: Whats that do?
[18:53:00] iamlindoro: then ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-mythweb
[18:53:08] iamlindoro: make
[18:53:58] iamlindoro: then you'll have to manually delete your old myweb directory (rm -rf /var/www/mythweb) and copy the new one in to /var/www and change the permissions to www-data.www-data
[18:54:01] adante: iamlindoro: right, cheers
[18:54:41] iamlindoro: reclusivemonkey, did you see this?
[18:54:42] iamlindoro: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Gutsy
[18:54:56] iamlindoro: I ran edgy for a long time and as I recall the setup changed somewhat
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[18:55:32] samIam122: imlindoro: uh oh, E: Unable to find a source package for mythtv
[18:55:48] samIam122: imlindoro: I guess I am missing a repository
[18:56:00] iamlindoro: samiam try a sudo apt-get build-dep mythplugins (also try mythtv-plugins)
[18:56:16] iamlindoro: may not even be necessary, don't believe anything in myweb needs compiling per se
[18:56:21] iamlindoro: er mythweb
[18:57:03] iamlindoro: If I had my myth box in front of me I could tell you for sure
[18:57:12] samIam122: iamlindoro: Nope nothing. let me try without that package
[18:57:22] iamlindoro: You're not installing a package with that anyway
[18:57:37] iamlindoro: just saying "get any packages that I might need to build x package"
[18:57:53] iamlindoro: but again, you should be fine, since all you need is to take that SVN's copy of mythweb and copy it in
[18:58:03] iamlindoro: gig you check out that rev from SVN yet?
[18:58:06] iamlindoro: er did
[18:58:59] samIam122: imlindoro: there is no mythplugins.pro file :)
[18:59:12] samIam122: wait there is
[18:59:21] iamlindoro: should be
[18:59:23] masonsjax: *yawn* /me sleepy today
[18:59:48] samIam122: looks like I have to run ./configure first
[18:59:49] iamlindoro: ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-all --enable-mythweb
[18:59:54] iamlindoro: wmake mythplugins.pro
[18:59:56] iamlindoro: er qmake
[19:00:04] iamlindoro: then make
[19:00:08] iamlindoro: then no make install
[19:00:14] iamlindoro: as in, don't type make install
[19:00:21] iamlindoro: 'cause mythweb is just a copy
[19:01:07] iamlindoro: then you should be able to do the following:
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[19:01:13] samIam122: So this will configure just mythweb
[19:01:25] samIam122: wow errors
[19:01:29] iamlindoro: yes, 'cause we're just going to do that, then copy it where it should be
[19:01:38] iamlindoro: pastebin 'em
[19:01:45] reclusivemonkey: iamlindoro: yeah, seen that. I get nothing from irw or mode2 despite the correct modules being loaded, and lsusb reporting iMON being present
[19:01:56] iamlindoro: hrm
[19:02:05] samIam122: still spewing errors it is :)
[19:03:02] iamlindoro: errorw or warnings?
[19:03:06] reclusivemonkey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1014/
[19:03:09] samIam122: http://pastebin.ca/741481
[19:03:10] reclusivemonkey: nothing I can see
[19:03:43] iamlindoro: hmmm, did you configure with --disable-all --enable-mythweb?
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[19:04:25] iamlindoro: hey reclusivemonkey, can you ls-al /dev/lirc and show it to me?
[19:04:38] ** iamlindoro feels like he has two heads **
[19:04:45] iamlindoro: er ls -al
[19:05:20] samIam122: alright, I just redid the ./configure with --disable-all --enable-mythweb then, qmake followed by make and I got make: Nothing to be done for `first'.
[19:05:30] iamlindoro: ok
[19:05:36] iamlindoro: samiam, do a:
[19:05:48] iamlindoro: actually, wait
[19:05:54] iamlindoro: is your mythweb at /var/www/mythweb?
[19:06:29] xris: samIam122: pretty sure that there's no "install" for mythweb
[19:06:31] samIam122: it is var/www/home/mythweb
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[19:06:57] iamlindoro: xris, so it appears... learned that by making him do it, hahaha, my myth box is at home
[19:07:04] reclusivemonkey: iamlindoro: yeah sorry lol, I just think you might find this useful before you hit a brick wall with your install ;-) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1016/
[19:07:08] iamlindoro: ok samiam, so do a:
[19:07:27] iamlindoro: sudo rm -rf /var/www/home/mythweb
[19:07:38] samIam122: ok
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[19:07:52] iamlindoro: now a sudo mkdir /var/www/home/mythweb
[19:08:12] iamlindoro: then, from that mythplugins svn directory, do a
[19:08:30] iamlindoro: sudo cp -rf mythweb/* /var/www/home/mythweb/
[19:08:44] iamlindoro: finally, a:
[19:08:58] iamlindoro: sudo chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www/home/mythweb
[19:09:29] samIam122: brilliant
[19:09:36] iamlindoro: and then, possibly, restart apache (but probably not necessary) and mythweb hopefully will work
[19:09:59] samIam122: iamlindoro: works perfectly
[19:10:02] Patina: Any ideas why /etc/init.d/myth-backend seems to believe myth-backend is running, when it is not?
[19:10:02] iamlindoro: sweet
[19:10:17] iamlindoro: ok reclusivemonkey, looking at yours now, sorry
[19:10:33] reclusivemonkey: hey no problem iamlindoro I appreciate your time
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[19:10:54] iamlindoro: hey reclusive, do you have any other lirc devices? an IR blaster or whatever?
[19:11:03] reclusivemonkey: nope
[19:11:09] iamlindoro: hmmm, yeah, 'cause it definitely looks ok
[19:11:12] samIam122: hmm, looks like the weather still doesn't work. That was the reason for upgrading
[19:11:20] samIam122: just my luck
[19:11:26] iamlindoro: have you tried explicitly stating the device, ie mode2 -d /dev/lircd
[19:11:51] iamlindoro: samiam, for weather you would need to compile the new mythweather in mythplugins
[19:12:00] iamlindoro: and have all the CPAN modules
[19:12:10] iamlindoro: which, honestly, I have yet to make work properly, hahaha
[19:12:15] samIam122: Same steps as before?
[19:12:19] iamlindoro: sort of
[19:12:29] iamlindoro: a little different
[19:12:31] samIam122: just change the enable file name appropriately
[19:12:52] iamlindoro: yeah... but if you're missing dependencies, you may run into a bunch of errors
[19:13:04] iamlindoro: i'd try a sudo apt-get build-dep mythweather
[19:13:06] reclusivemonkey: yeah iamlindoro; it starts, no errors, but I get nothing when pressing buttons on the remote (LED flashes, and I've checked batteries)
[19:13:21] iamlindoro: So how about your lircd.conf?
[19:13:25] iamlindoro: any chance gutsy killed it?
[19:13:29] iamlindoro: oh oh OH!
[19:13:48] iamlindoro: when I dist-upgradted to feisty, I noted that the lircd.conf location changed from /etc to /etc/lirc
[19:13:58] iamlindoro: check files in both locations and figure out where it wants it to be
[19:14:02] reclusivemonkey: lircd.conf looks fine, and its in /etc/lirc
[19:14:06] iamlindoro: and copy as appropriate
[19:14:10] reclusivemonkey: I did a clean install of gutsy
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[19:14:29] iamlindoro: meh, you're right, mode2 should show something regardless
[19:14:41] reclusivemonkey: yeah that's what I thought =]
[19:15:10] iamlindoro: so strange... 'cause it created all the right /dev nodes....
[19:15:13] Kazan: anyone know how to get SAP audio with ivtv in trunk?
[19:15:17] reclusivemonkey: I've been in the #ubuntu-mythtv for some time, I've tried pretty much everything I can think of
[19:15:51] iamlindoro: scary 'cause I was planning on building a new backend with gutsy tonight... might be in for trouble
[19:16:21] reclusivemonkey: LCDd and lcdproc work fine; mythlcdserver doesn't seem to want to play ball
[19:17:01] reclusivemonkey: I bought the VFD as it seemed to work fine in Linux, and on my Feisty desktop it worked perfectly out of the box. IMHO I would try Feisty first if you want to get it all working
[19:17:08] iamlindoro: reclusivemonkey, I'm sorry not to be more help... definitely "seems" to be working
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[19:17:38] reclusivemonkey: iamlindoro: no problem thanks for trying anyway. I just want to make sure I am not missing anything obvious =]
[19:17:42] iamlindoro: your only alternative may be to install from source... all my myth and myth-dependant stuff is
[19:18:04] iamlindoro: that said, I'm sure the gutsy support community will come up to speed shortly
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[19:18:53] reclusivemonkey: iamlindoro: I thought about that. I think I might try installing Feisty tomorrow as it seemed to work well in there. I am not too bothered about mythlcdserver as I think I can get more helpful output from lcdproc
[19:21:17] Kazan: oh apparently only PVR-250 and PVR-350s support it :(
[19:21:22] iamlindoro: probably... gutsy doesn't bring too much to the party in terms of myth anyway
[19:22:11] reclusivemonkey: iamlindoro: nope, I would agree there! I was keen to try mythbuntu but it didn't bring much to me either; I still have to overcome my usual mythtv gotchas
[19:22:38] iamlindoro: Appears to be great for the desktop/eye candy, though
[19:23:12] iamlindoro: Actually will be trying to get the whole shebang working tonight with gutsy, if only for fun
[19:23:36] iamlindoro: I only worry about moving my big fatty LVM array to a whole new system, because I've never done so before
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[19:23:47] iamlindoro: but from my reading it appears simple enough
[19:23:56] Hoxzer: Hello ello, according to wiki in dual headed system LocalHostName should be set diffently in both heads. However I'm not getting a connection to the database if localhostname is differences from hostname.
[19:23:59] reclusivemonkey: hmm, I'm in two minds iamlindoro; Feisty worked great for me, and I style it to look like MacOS. However they have changed something with the icons in Gutsy and now they won't match up. Also, a lot of the icons in Gutsy are out of whack and look blurred
[19:24:16] Hoxzer: So how can I set it diffently if it can't be set to any other value than hostname
[19:24:38] iamlindoro: hoxzer, I don't know about that setup, but...
[19:24:45] iamlindoro: you could edit /etc/hosts
[19:24:48] iamlindoro: and have a line like:
[19:24:57] iamlindoro: 127.0.0.1 hostname1 hostname2
[19:25:05] iamlindoro: 127.0.0.1 localhost hostname1 hostname2
[19:25:07] adante: hey – i am about to mess with (probably break) my transcoding profiles – if i backup the mythconverg database now, restoring it should be sufficient to fix it right?
[19:25:07] Hoxzer: Hmm
[19:25:08] iamlindoro: is actually better
[19:25:51] Hoxzer: I dont think it will work but I'll try
[19:25:58] iamlindoro: adante, should be, presuming you do a full dump of it
[19:26:59] iamlindoro: make sure to tell me when you find the "ActuallyMakeTheFuckingVoicesSyncWithThePicture = true" key :)
[19:27:25] iamlindoro: which is my main reason for not using the myth ripping (although I'm sure the issue is with the dependencies rather than myth)
[19:28:50] Hoxzer: iamlindoro: do I need to do something in order to those settings take an effect ?
[19:29:11] iamlindoro: Probably not, but it never hurts to reboot
[19:29:17] Hoxzer: ok, got
[19:29:26] iamlindoro: or, if X has something to do with it, restart x with ctrl-alt-backspace
[19:29:30] iamlindoro: or both :)
[19:29:39] Hoxzer: thx
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[20:08:32] Hoxzer: omg
[20:09:28] iamlindoro: ?
[20:09:33] iamlindoro: work?
[20:09:48] Dr_willis: Ponies?
[20:09:55] iamlindoro: har har
[20:10:15] Dagmar: ExACTly.
[20:10:24] iamlindoro: hoxzer, did it work?
[20:10:28] Hoxzer: :P notsure yet it took a while to get my network up
[20:10:36] iamlindoro: mmkay
[20:10:37] Hoxzer: something wrong with my interfaces there was :<
[20:11:10] iamlindoro: anyway, you can call your hostname as many things as you want in there... if it's simply a matter of having it respond to both, that ought to work
[20:11:22] iamlindoro: I'll cross my fingers for you
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[20:14:59] Hoxzer: iamlindoro: nope :(
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[20:16:44] iamlindoro: bummer
[20:16:46] iamlindoro: was worth a shot
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[20:20:05] Hoxzer: lol... I typed ip address wrong ... :E
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[20:20:59] adante: heh mm
[20:21:14] adante: mythtranscode appears to have transcoded a 500 meg file into... a 600 meg one?
[20:21:52] Hoxzer: lets, hope my interfaces config file works now :p
[20:22:26] iamlindoro: Well, that's possible, depending on differences in codec and bitrate
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[20:23:23] Kazan: everything i have comes in straight in mpeg2
[20:23:26] Kazan: i transcode nothing
[20:23:39] Kazan: it's nice :D
[20:23:42] Hoxzer: woot it did :P
[20:23:59] Hoxzer: ok, it didn't work :?
[20:27:29] DustyBin: wheres that Juski sod, does he still come in here?
[20:28:20] bsdfox__: I capture in mpeg2 and still transcode
[20:28:28] bsdfox__: probably stupid :P should just capture at lower bitrate
[20:28:43] iamlindoro: Me too... ATSC 720p is BIG in MP2
[20:29:14] iamlindoro: I don't have 3.5 GB to spare for every hour of TV I want to keep (after commercials)
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[20:33:15] Dr_willis: i need to figure out how to auto-reencode/cut comercials someday...
[20:35:37] iamlindoro: Doc, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing . . . _commercials
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[20:37:04] iamlindoro: Just recently set that up myself
[20:37:29] reclusivemonkey: iamlindoro: do you find Myth can now accurately detect commercials enough for it to be done automatically? I still find an Episode of Fraiser will wreak havoc ;-)
[20:37:51] adante: oh yeah it's possible, just didn't expect it :]
[20:37:54] iamlindoro: reclusivemonkey, it's hit or miss... some shows work great
[20:38:05] iamlindoro: but the occasional one is trash
[20:38:18] iamlindoro: I just don't run it on anything I can't replace in other ways
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[20:38:37] reclusivemonkey: I only have three channels I record on, and two are commercial free, so its not something I use really
[20:38:49] iamlindoro: an alternative is to run that job and edit in a line to back up a copy of the original first, then you can delete it when you've verified the cuts
[20:39:07] reclusivemonkey: iamlindoro: that's a good idea
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[20:40:47] samIam122: is there a good resource of skins for MythTV?
[20:41:23] iamlindoro: As it stand I do entirely too much transcoding... one job run on everything that exports for my iPhone, and builds a podcast for iTunes so that I can pick and choose shows to grab for on the go, and a script to export to 720p x264 for my HD stuff to keep in MythVideo
[20:41:24] floppyears: samIam122: I think you have to download a myththemes package or something to get some extra themes
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[20:41:49] floppyears: iamlindoro: wow, that's quite a bit
[20:41:56] Kazan: x264 = hubba hubba.. but CPU=omg
[20:42:18] samIam122: floppyears: Thanks
[20:42:26] floppyears: I'm running out of space in my 500gb hd with mythtv. by transoding to mpg4 and cutting out commercials, how much savings in space do I get ?
[20:42:30] floppyears: samIam122: you're welcome
[20:42:32] iamlindoro: It's definitely nice, but I'm still tweaking... dissatisfied with the macroblocking even on 2-pass... probably my fault somewhere in there
[20:42:37] Kazan: i would transcode to xvid
[20:42:46] Kazan: my cpu isn't beefy enough for me to spend the time transcoding
[20:42:48] iamlindoro: Sam, go to
[20:42:49] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtvthemes.co.uk
[20:42:55] iamlindoro: for other ones outside of the myththemes package
[20:43:12] Kazan: those are all in myththemes-extras in svn
[20:43:28] iamlindoro: Kazan, not the linked ones, no?
[20:43:30] Kazan: i use blootube-wide
[20:43:35] Kazan: they're all there
[20:43:38] iamlindoro: It's totally the best
[20:43:54] iamlindoro: Mepo/Elkin/Syth are all there? didn't know that.
[20:44:11] floppyears: yeah, blootube is my fav theme
[20:45:05] iamlindoro: Kazan, looks like only juskis themes are in that section
[20:45:16] iamlindoro: The others I mentioned are not (unless I'm missing something?)
[20:45:36] floppyears: so is transcoding an automatic process or do you have to baby sit it to make sure it goes through ok ?
[20:45:38] Kritter: last time I transcoded to Xvid, the process died on sound errors.
[20:46:01] adante: once setup, automatic process
[20:46:12] Kritter: so until I feel like fighting to fix that, I just auto chop ads.
[20:46:34] iamlindoro: floppyears, it sorta depends... if your source is out of something that's really consistent, like a pvr-150, it usually doesn't need babysitting... if it's from something like OTA ATSC, sometimes the signal can have errors that choke transcode
[20:47:03] Kazan: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/themes
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[20:47:23] iamlindoro: Yes, as I said, only Juski's are there
[20:47:26] floppyears: iamlindoro: cool, I have a pvr-150
[20:47:38] iamlindoro: Noi mepo/elkin/syth as exist on the myththemes site
[20:47:39] floppyears: juski's themes are pretty sweet
[20:47:58] floppyears: iamlindoro: so when I do transcoding, does it keep the original recorded show file ?
[20:48:08] Kritter: only if you want it to.
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[20:48:15] floppyears: will the file still show up in Recordings or as a video after it's transcoded ?
[20:48:20] Kritter: pointless to do so if you want space.
[20:48:22] iamlindoro: Kritter is correct
[20:48:39] iamlindoro: "out of the box," it removes the old and replaces with the new
[20:48:56] floppyears: any disadvantages of transcoding to be aware of ?
[20:49:24] iamlindoro: hmmm, you potentially introduce noise (PVR encodes with hardware to MP2, then you are re-encoding)
[20:49:39] Kritter: quality drop, cpu time used, and in my case, doesn't work to the output i want. :)
[20:49:46] iamlindoro: well, strike the "potentially," you *do* introduce noise
[20:49:52] floppyears: thanks
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[21:01:06] ARfdee: hi, i am using nvidia driver and dual head, but no matter if i tell myth to use xinerama screen 0 or 1, it starts on the left screen
[21:01:09] ARfdee: so i have to move it every time
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[21:12:40] samIam122: I'm trying to configure myth-themes but when I run ./configure I am told I don't have permission so I run it with sudo and I am told that sudo: ./configure: command not found. Any ideas?
[21:13:58] iamlindoro: try a sudo make clean
[21:14:11] iamlindoro: are you in the right directory?
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[21:14:14] samIam122: yep
[21:14:38] iamlindoro: so you see a config file, and a Makefile, and a mythplugins.pro when you ls?
[21:14:45] samIam122: I can see configure right there.
[21:14:53] iamlindoro: mmmkay, then yeah, I would sudo make clean
[21:14:59] samIam122: No Makefile
[21:15:36] iamlindoro: then configure should work... sorta sounds like you ran it as root last time
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[21:15:59] iamlindoro: and when you sudo a script it's better to sudo sh configure
[21:16:05] samIam122: I just downloaded it and oh crap, sec
[21:16:10] iamlindoro: 'cause the syntax is wrong if you sudo ./configure
[21:16:52] samIam122: crap
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[21:18:08] Dagmar: Someone should be shot in the face if you can do a sudo ./anything
[21:18:21] iamlindoro: true
[21:18:34] samIam122: inlindoro: since when did sudo sh get invented? That was this morning right, right... :)
[21:19:00] iamlindoro: well, technically sudo sh is the only way to do what you were *trying* to do
[21:19:14] iamlindoro: the alternative being su, then ./configure
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[21:19:24] iamlindoro: ok, ok, so not *only* way
[21:19:35] iamlindoro: but the way to do it without becoming root :)
[21:20:02] gamalier: hi can anyone tell me how to snapshot a screen to show my problem?
[21:20:38] samIam122: imlindoro: I thought in ubuntu sudo was the same thing as su?
[21:20:44] iamlindoro: nope
[21:20:51] iamlindoro: sudo and su are two diff. things
[21:20:58] samIam122: strange that I've never had this problem before
[21:20:59] iamlindoro: sudo is "do as superuser"
[21:21:04] iamlindoro: su is "become superuser"
[21:21:34] iamlindoro: and "su" doesn't work by default on ubuntu until you sudo su, then passwd
[21:21:42] samIam122: ah see when I first adopted Ubuntu I was told su and sudo were the same and that there was no su.
[21:21:53] iamlindoro: sure there is :) You just gotta turn it on
[21:22:08] iamlindoro: I, personally, go crazy having to sudo everything, so I su all the time
[21:22:11] samIam122: well it worked with the sh so I'll keep that in mind
[21:22:30] samIam122: I su all the time on my Fedora box
[21:22:44] iamlindoro: yeah, although you shouldn't need to be root to build it... would have worked to sudo make clean, then ./configure, too
[21:23:08] samIam122: Well thanks for all your help today
[21:23:11] iamlindoro: like I said, odds are you build it the first time as root, and when trying to run configure as a normal user, it shoked on a file it couldn't read/write
[21:23:17] iamlindoro: er choked
[21:23:18] iamlindoro: np
[21:23:37] iamlindoro: gamalier, there's lots of x programs to do it, what distro?
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[21:24:23] gamalier: iamlindoro – debian etch
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[21:25:55] iamlindoro: hmm, do you have gnome-screenshot?
[21:26:15] iamlindoro: try from a terminal, I believe if you are using gnome you should have it
[21:26:47] gamalier: iamlindoro – let me try
[21:29:07] Kazan: i <3 being a freespace 2 engine dev.. i get to play all the total conversions early
[21:29:32] gamalier: iamlindoro – i've used it but it doesn't grab the video and i'm having problems with the envidia driver and want to show the problem to get some help
[21:29:33] adante: hey
[21:29:43] adante: um i have some channels in mythtv which are duplicated
[21:30:02] adante: for some channels when i record something, it only chooses 1
[21:30:11] adante: of that sow
[21:30:13] adante: shw
[21:30:17] adante: show
[21:30:29] adante: but in others, it will try to recod that same show twice
[21:30:41] iamlindoro: gamalier, hmm, I'm not sure of a tool that will grab the overlay stuff
[21:30:49] adante: anybody havean idea what is distingishing between some shows and others?
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[21:32:37] gamalier: iamlindoro – ok, well maybe you can help. I'm having some kind of interlaced lines on the screen, and i've already try the deinterlanced option in mythtv and it doesn't work
[21:32:38] iamlindoro: adante, it is likely your recording rule
[21:33:16] iamlindoro: if you go "record at any time" it will record on both tuners... if you make the rule "Record at any time on KTVU-DT", it will only do so on that tuner/channel
[21:33:34] iamlindoro: gamalier, you're using S-video out, or is this with some other output?
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[21:34:18] adante: iamlindoro: yeah the bafflingthing is i only ever use record at any time on any channel
[21:34:50] adante: but for some programs that will recordon, e.g. channel 7, but not recordthe channel 7 hd stream
[21:35:05] gamalier: iamlindoro – no is on the pc monitor, and is doing it only on live playback. also it kinds of freezes the image & it keeps going rigth away
[21:35:10] adante: while for other programs it will try to (or says it will) RECORD BOTH sd and hd streams
[21:35:18] adante: sorry wireless keyboard going a bit crazy with caps
[21:37:32] iamlindoro: Yeah, strange... well, the recording rule was my only guess on that one.
[21:38:44] iamlindoro: gamalier, I'm not entirely clear on what you're seeing, I don't understand what you mean by "freezes the image... etc"... can you elaborate?
[21:38:59] gamalier: iamlindoro – of course
[21:40:51] gamalier: iamlindoro – the image in live playback stops for a ten of a second and it keeps going but with some small horizontal lines across the whole screen
[21:41:13] iamlindoro: Does it stop randomly, or in response to any sort of action?
[21:41:19] iamlindoro: or just like, every few seconds?
[21:41:31] gamalier: iamlindoro – every few seconds
[21:41:48] iamlindoro: further, can you run mythfrontend from a terminal, watch some TV until you start to see it, then pastebin the output?
[21:42:50] iamlindoro: Sounds like the problems are less the deinterlacing and more the freezing :)
[21:43:08] gamalier: iamlindoro – yes i'm reebooting right now, a pink screen just appeared and froze everithyn
[21:43:17] iamlindoro: ok
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[21:43:37] gamalier: iamlindoro – this is very frustraiting
[21:44:01] iamlindoro: I understand... well, let's see what's up... have you tried different versions of the nVidia drivers? I know that a few are prone to issues
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[21:45:10] gamalier: iamlindoro – i'm using the 100.14.19 from the envidia website
[21:45:47] gamalier: iamlindoro – videocard is geforce 6200
[21:45:58] iamlindoro: what distro?
[21:46:20] gamalier: iamlindoro – debian etch
[21:46:51] iamlindoro: Well, this is just anecdotal, but I have heard of some people having success by rolling back to older drivers
[21:47:03] iamlindoro: which you might consider if we don't see anything obvious in the output
[21:47:24] iamlindoro: but it kinda sounds (based on the constant freezing) like it might also be an ivtv issue
[21:47:38] iamlindoro: Is this something that worked before, and suddenly stopped, or a new build?
[21:47:40] gamalier: iamlindoro – let me load the live tv
[21:47:58] iamlindoro: ok, make sure to start frontend from the console so you can pastebin output
[21:48:00] gamalier: iamlindoro – new build
[21:48:11] iamlindoro: ok
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[21:50:49] gamalier: iamlindoro – http://pastebin.ca/741671
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[21:53:35] iamlindoro: gamalier, what card is this coming out of?
[21:53:47] iamlindoro: and you mentioned it's on live tv only, not recorded programs?
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[21:54:28] iamlindoro: further, have you tried enabling XvMC?
[21:56:19] gamalier: iamlindoro – nova-s plus mostly on live tv, when i compiled i did it with xvms support
[21:56:40] gamalier: iamlindoro – Xvmc
[21:56:47] iamlindoro: Did you complete the xvmc setup? ie, change the xvmc.so.1 pointer?
[21:57:15] gamalier: iamlindoro – no, don't know how
[21:57:21] iamlindoro: hang on one tick
[22:00:00] iamlindoro: can you do a ldd /usr/bin/mythfrontend |grep XvMC
[22:00:10] iamlindoro: or /usr/local depending on your config prefix
[22:00:15] gamalier: iamlindoro – in a sec
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[22:05:57] gamalier: iamlindoro – http://pastebin.ca/741694
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[22:09:42] Hilikus: does anyone know how to enable cookies in mythbrowser?
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[22:10:20] iamlindoro: Hmmm, I believe to get XvMC working, you will need to edit /etc/X11/XvMCConfig, comment out the existing line, add a line with "libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1" without quotes, restart X, and enable it in myth... then I'd be interested in seeing if the problem continues
[22:11:30] gamalier: iamlindoro – how can i enable it in myth?
[22:11:45] iamlindoro: it's in setup somewhere
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[22:12:00] gamalier: iamlindoro – will look for it
[22:12:10] iamlindoro: setup -> Utilities/Setup -> Tv settings -> playback, probably
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[22:12:44] iamlindoro: also, DISABLE OpenGL vSync
[22:12:51] iamlindoro: in the same section
[22:13:12] gamalier: iamlindoro – will do that
[22:13:18] iamlindoro: also, in the Device section of your xorg.conf, add:
[22:13:24] iamlindoro: Option "NVAGP" "1"
[22:13:34] iamlindoro: do all that, reboot, try to watch TV, and let me know
[22:14:12] mrvino: Could somebody tell me how (if possible) I could quickly delete a bunch of recordings? I have about 70 episodes of a program that I need to delete. Can I bulk delete instead of doing each one separately?
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[23:02:54] my2keh: anyone ever have interlace problems?
[23:02:59] my2keh: like I see lines on my tv
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[23:09:05] my2keh: or artifacts?
[23:09:12] my2keh: 4
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[23:15:54] mzb_d800: my2keh: realtime priority helped me there
[23:16:17] mzb_d800: there's a note on it in the docs|wiki
[23:16:30] my2keh: realtime priroity eh?
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[23:16:47] slango: is there a terminal emulator plugin for myth?
[23:16:59] slango: because it seems like that would be handy
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[23:19:09] my2keh: yeah basically I have this problem http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Interlace.jpg
[23:21:02] mzb_d800: my2keh: tried turning on deinterlace?
[23:21:27] my2keh: yeah, like bob2x or something?
[23:21:56] mzb_d800: or something, yes
[23:22:26] my2keh: sure did
[23:23:33] SarahEmm: anyone have issues with mythbackend dying every few days on 0.20.2? everything was fine on .19 but after upgrading mythbackend is dying every 2–3d, always when not recording (that may be a cooincidence though)
[23:25:01] mzb_d800: check your backend logs
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[23:29:08] ** SarahEmm has. nothing around the times things die. last time (today) there's a recording finishing at 1500 then it dies at 1533, nothing in between **
[23:29:16] SarahEmm: (doesn't log anything when dying either, my NMS picks it up_)
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[23:36:22] mzb_d800: syslog?
[23:36:41] ** SarahEmm checks **
[23:37:18] SarahEmm: nothing
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[23:48:15] docjay: I have a question on how to hook up my audio out that goes to my Tv
[23:48:45] docjay: ...I have a HDHR, so I just just hook up to my sound card and run that to my TV right?
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[23:51:05] mzb_d800: SarahEmm: # mythbackend -v help
[23:52:45] mzb_d800: depending on your distro, you might find a way of changing the debug in /etc/default/mythtv-backend
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[23:53:13] SarahEmm: duh. thanks for the reminder mzb_d800, hadn't occurred to me for some reason :)
[23:53:23] SarahEmm: i'm on gentoo and i know where to change it, will do.
[23:53:33] mzb_d800: getting late? ;)
[23:54:11] SarahEmm: heh, not really. only 1953EDT, so i can't use that excuse
[23:57:25] mzb_d800: :)
[23:58:31] mzb_d800: I guess first thing to check is drive space
[23:58:41] docjay: I have a question on how to hook up my audio out that goes to my Tv
[23:58:42] docjay: ...I have a HDHR, so I just just hook up to my sound card and run that to my TV right?
[23:58:47] mzb_d800: (but that's a bit too obvious;)
[23:59:22] mzb_d800: docjay: sounds about right
[23:59:29] SarahEmm: lots free mzb
[23:59:32] SarahEmm: >20GB
[23:59:45] SarahEmm: again, my NMS tells me if i'm running low, so that's never an issue
[23:59:53] mzb_d800: k

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