Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, October 13th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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NightMonkey:

Better than having STFU, I guess. ;)

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NightMonkey:

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)

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NightMonkey:

MrMunkey: Can you post your frontend logs to pastebin?

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MrMunkey:

hehe

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MrMunkey:

sure can, just to find them first (using knoppmyth, and so far I've only located a backend log)

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MrMunkey:

I think I have a solution though

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MrMunkey:

I'll just check out the last revision I was using and re-compile from there

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NightMonkey:

MrMunkey: You have to run "mythfrontend > /tmp/mythfrontend-logfile.out" or similar to get them, if Knoppmyth doesn't already do something similar.

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NightMonkey:

MrMunkey: Ah, good news, then.

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MrMunkey:

ah, ha, I can do that while I'm waiting

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MrMunkey:

thanks

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NightMonkey:

MrMunkey: np

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MrMunkey:

I don't think I'll need pastebin to tell you what's the problem

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MrMunkey:

I keep getting this message over and over again (using tail -f)

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MrMunkey:

2007-10–12 19:08:35.466 NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

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MrMunkey:

happens when playing recorded video, live tv, dvd, etc.

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MrMunkey:

patebin link: http://pastebin.com/d770fc640

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MrMunkey:

looks like I get to try the nv video driver instead of nvidia

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MrMunkey:

even better, just disabled opengl-vsync

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MrMunkey:

thanks for the help :)

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Yahooadam:

hmm, when i do export DISPLAY=:0

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Yahooadam:

then mythfrontend

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Yahooadam:

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server

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Yahooadam:

Xlib: No protocol specified

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Hilikus_:

hey guys, im still trying to fix a problem with my sound, im using a hauppauge pvr 150, i found out that i have a 60hz hum, apparently its called mains hum, does anyone know how to fix this+?

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EnderTheThird:

Hilkus_: never heard of it. sorry

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Hilikus_:

its a ground loop

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Rommie:

Hilikus_: Do any of your audio cables run near power cables?

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Hilikus_:

mmm i think so

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Rommie:

That would likely be a source of mains hum :)

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Rommie:

If you have anything carrying 60hz AC current running parellel to (and within about 6 inches of) audio cables (or video for that matter), you'll get a 60hz hum

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Hilikus_:

it is 60hz

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Rommie:

Its because the AC current can induce a current in the audio wire, even though there physically seperated.

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Hilikus_:

damnit

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Hilikus_:

if i turn the appliances off, would it go away or i need to unplug them?

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Yahooadam:

turning them off would probably work

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Yahooadam:

unless they are using standby

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Yahooadam:

even then the lower current may stop the noise

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Hilikus_:

ok, im gonig to turn everything off except mythtv and the home stereo

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EnderTheThird:

It'd probably have to be one hell of a current to be doing that.... or some shitty ass speaker cable.

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keithclark:

the instructions on installing mythtv from the website make no sense to me. They are not step by step...and I mean which dir to change to and so on. Is there a better guide available somewhere

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Yahooadam:

what OS ?

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keithclark:

PCLOS

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kormoc:

keithclark, there's plenty of stuff on the wiki for some distros

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kormoc:

doubt that's one tho

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mzb_d800:

has anyone had problems tuning DVB to ABC or SBS in .au ?

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mzb_d800:

(even though other #'s work fine)

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mzb_d800:

95% signal strength

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keithclark:

I can't even get past the database installation

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mzb_d800:

read the wiki ... there are some nice hints there

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keithclark:

Nothing on building the initial db

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mzb_d800:

yes there is

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mzb_d800:

try googling "mythtv create database" ... first entry ;)

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kormoc:

keithclark, it would depend on your problem, which you haven't shared yet

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mzb_d800:

s/wiki/docs/

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keithclark:

I cannot install the Mysql database

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kormoc:

keithclark, need a bit more then that...

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mzb_d800:

do you have mysql server installed?

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keithclark:

yes

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kormoc:

is it running?

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keithclark:

yes

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kormoc:

so then you must have gotten an error message or the like

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kormoc:

stuff like that tends to help out the process

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kormoc:

or we can just blame it on the green beetle men of mars

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keithclark:

If I try to follow the instructions on the website....http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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keithclark:

nothing works correctly

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keithclark:

If I type.....$ mysql -u root < mc.sql

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keithclark:

It says bash: mc.sql: No such file or directory

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EnderTheThird:

kormoc: it's probably the martians stealing his db, just like they're stealing my signal: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/11/25

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kormoc:

so give it the full path to mc.sql

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, heh

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keithclark:

ok, now 2007-10–12 21:23:47.810 Could not find theme:

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keithclark:

2007-10–12 21:23:47.810 Fatal Error: Couldn't find theme ''.

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EnderTheThird:

kormoc: definitely a classic, if you ask me. not as bad as those pear cables though, http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/speaker-cables/725 . . . l-302478.php

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kormoc:

wow

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mzb_d800:

I managed to (partially) fix the problem I'm having with two transports (ABC and SBS) previously by deleting the channels using mythweb, and then doing a manual scan of each transport

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mzb_d800:

but I can't seem to get that trick to work now ... any suggestions?

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pretender:

can anyone tell me how to mark cut points when editing mythtv recordings

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mzb_d800:

space?

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xris:

pretender: E to edit

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xris:

or M for menu, and then go to "edit cutlist"

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xris:

then space to set a cutpoint

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pretender:

i want to mark a point the only options i get are insert cut point before current or after

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xris:

yeah.. that's what the cutlist does

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xris:

what else would you want it to do?

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mzb_d800:

press up or down to change the option

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pretender:

ok thanks ill give it a go

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xris:

pretender: once you set a point, you can do some other things with it (like delete it)

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xris:

arrow keys to navigate

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xris:

and pageup/pagedown to move directly between points

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keithclark:

mythtv just resets my KDE system and puts me back into the logon screen. Are there any simpler PVR programs out there for Linux?

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mzb_d800:

google has a really good record of some of the other options ;)

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mzb_d800:

but the best contain mythtv anyway (and are self-contained distros)

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mzb_d800:

apps include vdr

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keithclark:

I was hoping with your experience you could guide me a little.

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mzb_d800:

I experimented with a few options

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mzb_d800:

but mythtv is the best of them (in whichever form you use it) imo

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mzb_d800:

you might like to play with knoppmyth (for experience) and then work up to myth ;)

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keithclark:

Yes, but it is the most complicatied thing I've ever encountered

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mzb_d800:

indeed

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mzb_d800:

been playing with *nix long? :)

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keithclark:

Sagetv for windows was easy as pie

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mzb_d800:

yes, well ... nah I won't go there

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keithclark:

And no, I am new to Linux

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mzb_d800:

right

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mzb_d800:

well, there are a *LOT* of apps(etc) that are more complicated than mythtv ... so be prepared

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, can't seem to get Putty to tunnel me in to see Mythweb :-/

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mzb_d800:

it certainly helps to read the docs thoroughly before you start, even if only so that you can understand the concepts involved

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mzb_d800:

ie. purpose of backends, frontends, master backends ... etc

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mzb_d800:

that's not even including some of the "hard" parts ... eg. getting some types of hardware to do what you want

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EnderTheThird:

MythTV is also an EXCELLENT excuse to expand your home network and spend more money on hardware you don't need ;)

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... iirc, I've spent < au$50

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mzb_d800:

(inc. dvb tuner)

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EnderTheThird:

well a lot of that depends on how crazy you go with FEs and BEs

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EnderTheThird:

my HDHR set me back $160, PVR 500 was about the same

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mzb_d800:

3xBEs + 2xFEs (both frontends contain BE's, and theres a 3rd as a slave)

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antiPosix:

do people really benifet all that much from HD

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keithclark:

That is too bad. I use a simple program, TVtime, to watch the tv and it does such a wonderful job. Much better than any Win app I've used. You just can't use it to record.

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mzb_d800:

but then I only use SD

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EnderTheThird:

antiposix: you do when you have a 65" 1080P DLP :-D

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mzb_d800:

nor can you use it to cut out the ads, or compress it ... or give you the ability to playback at 95% ... or be able to watch from anywher in the house ... etc etc

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antiPosix:

no Juski?

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GreyFoxx:

antiPosix: he's trying to keep himself off IRC for a while

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antiPosix:

EnderTheThird: DLP, is that a projector?

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EnderTheThird:

but in most situations, you aren't going to notice a difference with HD unless it's 40" or greater

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antiPosix:

GreyFoxx: did he get married?

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GreyFoxx:

antiPosix: He's been married a long time

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EnderTheThird:

antiPosix: rear-projection set. not a separate projector unit though

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** antiPosix needs a better TV **

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EnderTheThird:

haha, yeah. I upgraded from a 57" 1080i RPTV. Convergence was a little off and 1080i looks like hell when you have fine text on screen.

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... I don't get it. I was wondering if perhaps the frequency for the transport was incorrect (judging by the one on my STB), but I can get lock on both frequencies with almost identical signal levels

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mzb_d800:

191500000 vs 191625000

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antiPosix:

EnderTheThird: I being interlaced P being Progessive?

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mzb_d800:

using tzap that is ... not able to use either in mythtv

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EnderTheThird:

antiPosix: yep

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antiPosix:

EnderTheThird: I have a 1080i, it looks so bad.... :(

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antiPosix:

can you read a console session clearly with 1080P?

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EnderTheThird:

antiPosix: it's not bad once you get the MythTV UI up. but I wanted to be able to use the desktop occasionally and it was tough to do that without jacking up the text size in everything

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antiPosix:

watching video is fine with the 1080i, but the console fonts are hard to read

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EnderTheThird:

I can read just about everything fine at normal size on 1080P.

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, terminal work was tough with 1080i

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antiPosix:

any more new news about the broadcast flag in North America

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antiPosix:

like any idea when my PVR-150 will stop getting an analog signal

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EnderTheThird:

i think we have quite some time for analog, 2010 or 2012 and beyond. something like that

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EnderTheThird:

analong OTA signals are gonna be gone soon

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antiPosix:

phew....

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EnderTheThird:

but cable will still be a while

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antiPosix:

OTA being UHF?

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EnderTheThird:

yeah, all antenna broadcasts

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antiPosix:

OTA being "rabbit ears"

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

it's been pushed back so many times though, i forget when the date is for that now

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antiPosix:

its a good thing alot of republicans are old and are comfortable with their old analog TV input devices

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EnderTheThird:

and the Internet isn't just some truck you can throw all your stuff on. It's, it's, it's a series of tubes.

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antiPosix:

Al Gore invented it

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antiPosix:

;

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antiPosix:

;)

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EnderTheThird:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes

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EnderTheThird:

Oh Ted Stevenson trumped Al Gore as soon as he made the above statement.

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EnderTheThird:

err, Stevens

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EnderTheThird:

oh man, that wiki article brings back so many fond Daily Show memories

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antiPosix:

god love Jon Stewart

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EnderTheThird:

I had to watch Passion of the Christ for a class last week. For a short while, I came to understand Mel Gibson, and I turned into a raging, antisemitic alcoholic... until I watched the Daily Show. Thankfully, Jon Stewart brought me back. Thanks, Jon!

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cesman:

I couldn't drank that much wine...

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cesman:

not yet anyways

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EnderTheThird:

about what speed is needed for SD TV over a network for MythTV?

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EnderTheThird:

I'm wondering if 802.11g would suffice.

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GreyFoxx:

anywhere from 1 to 4 megabit

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EnderTheThird:

Should be plenty then, assuming signal strength isn't complete crap, right?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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EnderTheThird:

awesome

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venger:

just now trying out xine for ripped dvd playback and its showing a bunch of green (and orange) stationary vertical lines (instead of correct video), but the sound is playing correctly. mplayer works ok. Anyone have any ideas?

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venger:

hmm -V xv works, so whatever auto is doing/using caused it

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mzb_d800:

ok, I've got further with my non-working dvb # issue

[03:43:26]

mzb_d800:

it appeared that I had a bad dtv_multiplex table (after a good hard look at it)

[03:44:11]

mzb_d800:

so I deleted all the entries, and used mythtv-setup to add channels (import of a custom channels.conf)

[03:44:18]

mzb_d800:

however, there's still a problem

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mzb_d800:

here, there are duplicate transports in both UHF and VHF ranges

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mzb_d800:

that might not seem like much of a problem, until you learn that I have a home made digital aerial which is VHF only

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mzb_d800:

so, you say, just delete the UHF transport entries from dtv_multiplex, right?

[03:45:47]

mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

(this is despite having NO UHF frequencies specified in the imported channels.conf)

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mzb_d800:

looking at the table in more detail, it's worse ...

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mzb_d800:

the "incorrect" entries (UHF) have constallation/fec/..etc (mostly) set

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mzb_d800:

err s/have/do not have/

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mzb_d800:

ah, bugger it .... I'll just deleted the UHF entries and find out

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mzb_d800:

*sigh* ... I'll start again

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... looks like I end up with duplicate #'s in channel table too (but with different mplex id's of course) ... might be confusing things even further ;)

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mzb_d800:

now there's one that seems simplistic ;)

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mzb_d800:

I have a "record anytime at low priority" schedule for "Everybody Loves Raymond"

[08:03:57]

mzb_d800:

I've also had to implement early and late start times for schedules

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mzb_d800:

when there are two back-to-back schedules of Raymond on the same channel, why does the 2nd show become a conflict?

[08:04:58]

mzb_d800:

I understood the "after" gap was only used if another recording wasn't cued

[08:05:14]

mzb_d800:

perhaps I've added a delay somewhere in other settings?

[08:05:46]

mzb_d800:

(nb: It's not Raymond that interests me, it's the conflict;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

mzb_d800: the start-early/end-late settings on the individual recording schedules are hard limits, they will cause conflicts. the preroll/postroll settings in mythfrontend's setup are global values and are optional in the scheduler.

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Captain_Murdoch:

there's more info in the docs about this.

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mzb_d800:

Captain_Murdoch: k, thx ... will read up asap

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rooaus:

mzb_d800: For the time being, soft vs hard padding is what you need to use. However, this is what the multirec branch is addressing. When it goes primetime you will be able to use hard padding with back to back recordings.

[09:29:15]

mzb_d800:

rooaus: k, thx for the help ... I'll look up the catch phrases later so I can understand what you're saying ;)

[09:29:27]

mzb_d800:

(too busy playing with mythboxen atm;)

[09:29:46]

mzb_d800:

[combines my 2 fav activities;]

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rooaus:

fair enough. quickly though, hard limits are the ones to place in the recording schedule and the scheduler *must* honour them, if it can't (like what you described) you end up with a conflict.

[09:31:46]

mzb_d800:

k, thx

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rooaus:

cheers

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mzb_d800:

I got the rough idea ... just need to put the (combination of) the rules into context for my situation

[09:32:42]

mzb_d800:

thanks again :)

[09:33:03]

mzb_d800:

having a lot of fun with these boxes now I've got them going ...

[09:33:19]

rooaus:

yeah, myth is nice when it is all working :)

[09:33:35]

mzb_d800:

would be nice if they're faster, but getting it going on such slow machines is a much more interesting challenge ;)

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mzb_d800:

going to have to build some remote receivers to suit (matched pair of) IR remote+keyboard from old SURFTV boxes

[09:35:23]

mzb_d800:

(ie. same remote +++ keyboard for different rooms .. more keys, same interface;)

[09:35:41]

mzb_d800:

should make things easier (for the "target audience";)

[09:36:01]

mzb_d800:

[ "target audience" == g/f + 2yo ]

[09:36:40]

mzb_d800:

awww ... no ... have to get a fresh beer just as the movie starts!

[09:36:42]

mzb_d800:

oh well

[09:36:51]

mzb_d800:

pause is a wonderful thing ;)

[09:37:10]

mzb_d800:

(and 0.95x playback ;)

[09:38:02]

mzb_d800:

btw: how hard is it to program a "macro" (styled) event for a key remote ? ... pref. without using lircrc

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mzb_d800:

wouldn't it be nice if mythtv had button events like "MACRO1" ?

[09:38:47]

mzb_d800:

and then define a button in lirc?

[09:39:08]

mzb_d800:

maybe I'm thinking of that all backwards ... we'll see how I go ;)

[09:39:17]

rooaus:

mzb_d800: never tried macros, haven't really needed them to date.

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mzb_d800:

like: change speed down 0.05x

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mzb_d800:

== key m up up up right down space left

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cheshair:

hi guys! is there a way to resume a music or a movie? i mean: i'm watching my favourite film, then turn off pc and go to bed, then i wake up and start mythtv again. is there a way to automatically restart the film from where i stopped?

[09:40:32]

Dagmar:

Sure

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mzb_d800:

press space before you sleep ;)

[09:40:50]

mzb_d800:

(iirc)

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cheshair:

mzb_d800: you're such a wizard! i'll make immediately some tries! thaaaanks!!!

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cheshair:

mzb_d800: (iirc?)

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joakim:

hi all

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joakim:

I have a problem that probably is very easy to solve but I cant :-( I would like to have a plain directory listing under Play Music but I can not het it to do that it uses the mp3-tags in some way no matter what I do... does anyone have any sugestions on what settings I should make ?

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juski:

sounds like you need the 'ignore id3 tags' setting

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mzb_d800:

cheshair: iirc = if I recall correctly. ie. I've read it somewhere but not tried it ;)

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joakim:

I have done that. the ignore id3 tags is checked. but still it sorts the tree in some wierd way and not plain directory like my previos Freevo installation did

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mzb_d800:

iirc, space makes a bookmark, and when you replay the recording it starts playing at the bookmake

[09:50:25]

mzb_d800:

s/bookmake/boomark/

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mzb_d800:

BUT

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mzb_d800:

I seem to recall some mention of having to set something in the preferences so that the bookmark was saved on exit

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cheshair:

mzb_d800: what a noob am i! :-)

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mzb_d800:

not sure if that's current info

[09:51:15]

mzb_d800:

lol

[09:51:27]

mzb_d800:

and what do you think I am? !!!

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mzb_d800:

;)

[09:52:05]

rooaus:

yeah, space or enter bookmarks a recording, then when starting the recording again (the next day) gives you the option to resume from the bookmark.

[09:52:32]

mzb_d800:

there's the real answer ^^ ;) , thx rooaus

[09:52:57]

mzb_d800:

s/real/qualified(?)/

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mzb_d800:

anyone using combined frontend/backend machines < 1GHz ?

[09:56:03]

mzb_d800:

I'm not asking for a showing of hands ;P

[09:57:34]

mzb_d800:

just a sharing of ideas

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rooaus:

amd64 3000 here

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stranger`:

whats a good capture card to invest in? pvr-500? anything better? i need to capture at least 2 shows at once

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richard:

hey, i'm having some issues with mythtv – i get a "could not connect to master backend server" when i try to tsart it

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mzb_d800:

rooaus: I have two P3 machines (overclocked 650, and an 866) used as combined FE/BE, each with a tuner and TV out. I also have a (virtual) machine (sempron 3400+) for transcoding+commflag

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mzb_d800:

all machines work quite well (I'm surprised)

[10:04:53]

mzb_d800:

the 866 has an external USB DVB box which does mpeg2 ... easy to handle apart from an issue I've created for myself by hacksawing the USB2 card to fit in the box ;)

[10:05:40]

mzb_d800:

the 650, however, has a bttv card ... and although watchable, consumes 100% cpu during capture

[10:05:46]

mzb_d800:

can I:

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mzb_d800:

a) reduce the capture resolution?

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mzb_d800:

b) change the capture method/codec?

[10:06:46]

mzb_d800:

btw: the machine with the bttv card is the MBE

[10:07:42]

rooaus:

I only use dvb so haven't ever needed to bother with capture res but that seems a reasonable thing to try.

[10:08:14]

mzb_d800:

k, I'll pull google back out of the closet ;)

[10:08:51]

mzb_d800:

I wondered if there was a "magic" trick, like rtjpeg (?) vs mpeg

[10:11:20]

rooaus:

mzb_d800: I would search the mailing list, there is a wealth of info there. Do you know about the gossamer-threads archive?

[10:12:32]

mzb_d800:

I assume that's similar to the marc archives? (et al)

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cheshair:

mzb_d800: do u remember my resume related question? i tried to press space before quitting my movie, but it seems not to work

[10:13:35]

cheshair:

mzb_d800: maybe i'm not using your player?

[10:13:41]

rooaus:

possibly, it is a searchable archive going back many years.

[10:14:03]

mzb_d800:

rooaus: yep, same theory ... thanks for the suggestion

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mzb_d800:

cheshair: if you press space you should get something like "Position Saved" on OSD, right?

[10:14:47]

cheshair:

mzb_d800: no

[10:15:08]

cheshair:

mzb_d800: it seems to me mythtv use mplayer

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cheshair:

mzb_d800: maybe this is the point

[10:15:37]

rooaus:

cheshair: Bookmarks only works with the Internal player, if you are using mplayer or xine then you need to finds out if they can do it.

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mzb_d800:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings

[10:16:12]

cheshair:

rooaus and mzb_d800: my mythtv seems to use mplayer "natively"

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cheshair:

rooaus and mzb_d800: i'll try to deactivate mplayer in favor of myth internal player

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... got oops :(

[10:24:49]

mzb_d800:

might have to cut back on preemptive settings ;)

[10:27:40]

cheshair:

rooaus and mzb_d800: main > setup > media settings > video settings > player settings: i find "mplayer" as default player and not the internal one. why?

[10:27:41]

mzb_d800:

and do "open on demand" (might help with replugging box)

[10:28:00]

mzb_d800:

cheshair: beyond me, sorry

[10:28:04]

Dagmar:

becuase at some point you probably set it to that

[10:28:12]

Dagmar:

...or whoever made your binaries did

[10:28:14]

cheshair:

mzb_d800: no problem! :-)

[10:28:30]

cheshair:

Dagmar: they are debian sid binaries

[10:28:34]

Dagmar:

So?

[10:29:02]

cheshair:

Dagmar: i haven't changed anything by myself yet

[10:29:05]

Dagmar:

Doesn't matter.

[10:29:23]

Dagmar:

If you want to know "why?" go ask the binary maintainer

[10:29:27]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, fix it and move on

[10:29:33]

cheshair:

Dagmar: that make sense

[10:29:37]

cheshair:

Dagmar: that makes sense

[10:30:07]

Dagmar:

It just doesn't pay to worry too much about the fine detail beyond getting the thing to do what you want it to so you can get on with watchin' TV

[10:30:45]

cheshair:

Dagmar: do you know what's the right command to use myth internal player? do you advice me to use mplayer or the internal player?

[10:31:00]

cheshair:

Dagmar: i mean:

[10:31:09]

Dagmar:

I use the internal player for everything.

[10:31:24]

cheshair:

Dagmar: "the right command" i have to write in "main > setup > media settings > video settings > player settings"

[10:31:34]

Dagmar:

"internal"

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Dagmar:

This is mentioned in the docs

[10:31:52]

cheshair:

Dagmar: "internal" that makes sense too... :-)

[10:32:46]

cheshair:

Dagmar: is it mentioned? so you let me save a little bit of my time, thanks

[10:36:25]

cheshair:

Dagmar: hmm only "internal" doesnt' work...

[10:37:41]

mzb_d800:

cheshair: I'd suggest you google all the (important) words that have been tossed in your direction before you "waste a little bit of somebody else

[10:37:46]

mzb_d800:

's time"

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cheshair:

mzb_d800: ok, i thougth it wasn't a matter of wasting somebody else's time but of helping each other

[10:39:04]

Dagmar:

Meh, reading through all the docs on the wiki once shoulld do it

[10:39:17]

Dagmar:

Ah, the old "helping each other" argument

[10:39:21]

cheshair:

mzb_d800: this is how things work in other channels

[10:39:29]

Dagmar:

Tell me, do you intend to idle in this channel for days waiting to answer other people's questions?

[10:39:34]

Dagmar:

Somehow, I don't think so.

[10:39:36]

mzb_d800:

cheshair: just a suggestion, take it or leave it

[10:40:06]

mzb_d800:

I moderate a number of #'s, so I can assure you that not all #'s will do your work for you ;)

[10:40:12]

Dagmar:

So it's not actually "helping each other". It's "I just want to not have to read"

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mzb_d800:

(once you've been given an answer)

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cheshair:

Dagmar: i do help people in other channels, about things i know better, maybe you may check, i can tell where you may find me

[10:40:45]

Dagmar:

So what do these "other channels" have to do with this one?

[10:40:50]

mzb_d800:

totally OT, and a waste of time

[10:41:05]

mzb_d800:

stop typing, start reading ;)

[10:41:24]

cheshair:

Dagmar and mzb_d800: ok, thanks

[10:41:29]

mzb_d800:

np

[10:43:37]

cheshair:

Dagmar and mzb_d800: anyway i just dropped my two questions in the channel, you weren't compelled to answer, next time you'd probably better to keep quiet and maybe let somebody else to talk, somebody else who does it for pleasure

[10:43:51]

mzb_d800:

sure

[10:43:54]

Dagmar:

OKay, check. I'll ignore you entirely next time

[10:44:18]

mzb_d800:

I'll be happy to do the same

[10:45:15]

juski:

ahh the eternal "I can't be bothered to read" argument

[10:45:19]

stranger`:

what advantages are there over building a mythtv or buying a ready made pvr like a topfield if its purely for recording, etc..

[10:45:26]

mzb_d800:

so I can spend more time doing my own thing, rather than trying to help someone who doesn't appreciate it

[10:45:31]

directhex:

juski is back?

[10:45:35]

juski:

stranger`: no advantages if all you want is tv

[10:45:41]

juski:

directhex: in a manner of speaking

[10:45:42]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm going to leave that little shit in my ignore permanently.

[10:46:15]

juski:

stranger`: standalone pvrs in the UK are prone to being er.. very temperamental

[10:46:38]

stranger`:

i dont think there is a professional unit that can record 2x simulatenously

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mzb_d800:

cheshair: sorry my advice was so inadequate, but more of a reason for you to mind you manners and read more

[10:47:04]

directhex:

juski, you mean pieces of shite?

[10:47:09]

juski:

while the age old vcr was sometimes capable of being prone to incorrect programming or losing its timer settings through power outs etc... it'd have to take a real fluke to lose everything off a tape :P

[10:47:35]

juski:

there are standalone pvrs that can record 2 shows & let you watch a third already

[10:48:01]

stranger`:

im only familiar with solaris/bsd and rarely used linux. is it worth my time 'learning' how to do this etc. buying hardware or just buy a ready made one

[10:48:02]

juski:

for the money they cost, if all you want is television it'd be what I'd use

[10:48:06]

stranger`:

im in a bit of a hurry too

[10:48:17]

juski:

livetv in mythtv sucks big style, so ...

[10:48:39]

juski:

stranger`: in a bit of a hurry? better get down to comet then

[10:49:23]

stranger`:

is there any particular brand you might recommend?

[10:49:35]

juski:

the cheapo supermarmet & aldi models – let's just say you get what you pay for. brands of the moment are Humax, Topfield & some other thing which is a weird shape

[10:49:39]

cheshair:

mzb_d800: i really appreciated your help, you may remember how many times i said "thank you" and i was sincere. i just can't stand people who answer your question like dagmar and then bother you saying "rtfm and don't make me waste my time": am i wasting your time?!?!?! just don't answer me

[10:49:56]

stranger`:

thanks juski

[10:50:41]

juski:

I've been trying livetv out again lately & I honestly couldn't see it being usable by the mrs

[10:51:15]

mzb_d800:

cheshair: I'm almost certain that's not what you where told ... the way I read it, you need to read the docs so that you are aware what YOU have changed, and what YOUR distro does (perhaps by default)

[10:51:39]

mzb_d800:

that isn't something that either of the ppl advising you could have done

[10:51:48]

mzb_d800:

it's something you have to do for yourself

[10:52:05]

juski:

directhex: still trying to clean up my act – temper – sanity / whatever. spending less time in here helps a _LOT_

[10:52:38]

mzb_d800:

the quicker you learn the difference, the more likely you are going to be accepted in here (or any channel other than a "chatroom")

[10:52:49]

directhex:

juski, right. i left some forums for a few months once for the same reason

[10:53:10]

mzb_d800:

now, if you're going to get your knickers in a twist about my 2nd round of advice

[10:53:47]

juski:

and I'

[10:54:18]

juski:

and I've realised that I don't take criticism well – never have & it's probably too late to learn. so for the detractors – fuck em

[10:54:18]

mzb_d800:

I'd suggest to you that I've been typing for longer than you've lived, and I definitely don't have the finger strength left to argue with an intellectual sponge

[10:54:24]

mzb_d800:

(no offense)

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juski:

arggh why does inkscape get so damn slow when you zoom right in? it's poo

[10:55:14]

mzb_d800:

(keeping in mind that keystrokes per lifetime are a bit like heartbeats per lifetime ... ie. there's a limit ;)

[10:55:18]

juski:

are they trying to emulate Illustrator?

[10:55:23]

cheshair:

mzb_d800: you are such right: docs must be read, i did it and i'll do it more and more.

[10:55:34]

mzb_d800:

good, thx

[10:56:02]

juski:

I don't know why more people can't think to read the docs a couple of times before even starting out

[10:56:13]

cheshair:

mzb_d800: you became a little bit more slang in the last two sentences (i'm not a native), but i guess i got the sense

[10:56:34]

mzb_d800:

k

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** directhex compiles mono **

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** juski is gutted that he can't hide his name on a domain record **

[10:59:08]

juski:

curses! how am I going to con people out of their money without being found out now?!

[11:00:08]

mzb_d800:

do I have to pay for an answer? ;)

[11:00:12]

tank-man:

mzb_d800, why don't you use the 866mhz pc for the backend?

[11:00:40]

mzb_d800:

it has "other problems" (not as reliable)

[11:01:02]

mzb_d800:

it's also "remote" (mounted under the floor at the far end of the house)

[11:01:33]

juski:

under the floor? no ferkin wonder it's unreliable

[11:01:35]

mzb_d800:

as opposed to the MBE which is also under the floor but a lot easier to get to

[11:01:38]

mzb_d800:

heh

[11:02:33]

tank-man:

what codec are you capturing to?

[11:02:44]

directhex:

juski, you ca hide your name on a domain record

[11:02:53]

mzb_d800:

the reliability problem seems to be 2.6.22-related ++ the fact I've hacked the USB card in half (2 of the ports have over-current warnings but aren't connected)

[11:02:55]

directhex:

juski, you can't hide your name on some TLDs, but others you can

[11:03:13]

mzb_d800:

tank-man: the 650 box is ... err ... hang on

[11:03:45]

tank-man:

if you dont know off the top of your head, i dont think youhave researched enough ;)

[11:03:54]

mzb_d800:

(I'm not fluent enough with the menu to find that answer quickly)

[11:04:08]

mzb_d800:

good point

[11:05:24]

juski:

directhex: not sure you can. everything I've read so far seems to suggest I'd have to change my name by deed poll. nasty nominet

[11:05:47]

rooaus:

mzb_d800: Been thinking about it, I suspect that the rtjpeg would have lower cpu utilisation, as far as I know rtjpeg is a stream of discrete jpeg frames.

[11:06:03]

mzb_d800:

that was my understanding

[11:06:07]

juski:

always got me that one company is in control of a country's TLDs. wonder how much money they're worth

[11:06:26]

directhex:

juski, i'm certain you can anonymize .co.uk addresses yourself. and there are a number of companies which will proxy-sell you domains to keep their details in the whois

[11:06:45]

mzb_d800:

tank-man: if I have my facts right:

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juski:

directhex: looks like I made a bad choice then. too late now since I've paid the monies

[11:07:15]

mzb_d800:

live-tv for 650 FE is RTjpeg (170 quality)

[11:07:20]

rooaus:

juski: I know that the guy who "owns" on.net tld was offered a few million dollars for it. He said thanks but no thanks.

[11:07:36]

mzb_d800:

default is mpeg4

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juski:

I'd get found out sooner or later anyway, so no big deal

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tank-man:

transcoding from rtjpeg to mpeg4 ?

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mzb_d800:

can't recall what the defaults were now ... tried quite a few combinations to date ... will have to try hard

[11:08:27]

mzb_d800:

tank-man ... err

[11:08:40]

mzb_d800:

I don't think so

[11:09:05]

juski:

I think the term 'quality' for framegrabbers is something of a misnomer. I've seen a framegrabber working in mythtv & it ain't pretty

[11:09:07]

tank-man:

you know when you capture to mpeg4, it is using your cpu to encode

[11:09:12]

mzb_d800:

I just named two "Software Encoder" profiles

[11:09:18]

mzb_d800:

yes, I understand that

[11:09:46]

juski:

as for renaming recording profliles – er.. that doesn't actually work as you'll see later on

[11:10:12]

tank-man:

are you getting dropped frames in recordings? or just dont like 100% cpu usage?

[11:10:19]

juski:

that code needs pulling apart & put right. the profile names are hard-coded in places

[11:10:21]

mzb_d800:

the latter

[11:10:32]

juski:

mzb_d800: buy a pvr card then :)

[11:10:38]

mzb_d800:

no

[11:10:41]

mzb_d800:

;P

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juski:

the time you've spend farking around with the framegrabber would cost you way more than the extra $$

[11:11:00]

mzb_d800:

I haven't renamed them, they are default profiles (although I might changed the settings, and since forgotten)

[11:11:17]

mzb_d800:

my time is worth $0.00001 per hour

[11:11:25]

juski:

then you're a fool :P

[11:11:35]

juski:

and a masochist

[11:11:44]

mzb_d800:

no, I just have something more important to do at the same time

[11:11:55]

tank-man:

if he enjoys tinkering , let him _use_ his time to fix it

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juski:

you can buy my pvr150. I don't need it anymore :)

[11:12:17]

tank-man:

its not a waste if he enjoys pain

[11:12:24]

mzb_d800:

:)

[11:12:30]

juski:

still got 3 tuners but they're all digital now :)

[11:12:41]

mzb_d800:

cost to .au?

[11:13:11]

juski:

shipping to there would prolly cost more than the card is worth

[11:13:12]

mzb_d800:

doubt it would be in my cost range ... everything I have is reconstructed junk

[11:13:14]

mzb_d800:

yep

[11:13:24]

mzb_d800:

so you see why I'm "keen", right?

[11:13:35]

mzb_d800:

been playing this game for a long time now

[11:13:40]

mzb_d800:

(I don't just mean myth)

[11:13:44]

juski:

anyway being in Aus shouldn't you already be going with dvb-t ?

[11:14:02]

mzb_d800:

read ^^^

[11:14:13]

mzb_d800:

USB DVB on 866

[11:14:17]

juski:

you can only get so far with recycled junk

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mzb_d800:

I guess so

[11:14:45]

juski:

ask clever about that :P

[11:15:09]

mzb_d800:

but I've have thought that old junk should still do a job with OLD GEAR ;)

[11:15:17]

** juski bins inkscape **

[11:15:28]

mzb_d800:

get dia ;P

[11:15:52]

juski:

the oldest kit I have is a stinking athlon 800 with 512MB ram

[11:16:08]

juski:

my newest is a 2800 athlon XP stinking PoS

[11:16:14]

mzb_d800:

heh

[11:16:25]

juski:

my frontend is a stinking PoS EPIA M10000

[11:16:46]

mzb_d800:

Must have a good exchange programme going?

[11:16:48]

mzb_d800:

;)

[11:17:39]

juski:

nah I bought the epia specifically for the job

[11:18:13]

juski:

feel like replying to the "which epia board" thread on the -users list with "NONE OF THE ABOVE – they're all junk!"

[11:18:24]

mzb_d800:

I mean, either you've not been playing long, or you have the resources to keep your gear "relatively" up to date

[11:18:42]

juski:

approaching the 3rd anniversary of it actually

[11:18:56]

juski:

been uhhh 'using' since mythtv 0.16

[11:19:07]

mzb_d800:

of the epia? ... or using comps in general?

[11:19:33]

juski:

had the epia about as long as I've been using mythtv

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mzb_d800:

that doesn't speak for the rest of your experience, right?

[11:19:55]

juski:

I initially used an xbox as the frontend & that had to go. noisy & fugly

[11:20:13]

mzb_d800:

or are you a mythtv-only kinda guy? :)

[11:20:32]

juski:

I ducking hate PCs if that's what you're getting at

[11:20:46]

juski:

never did like em

[11:21:06]

mzb_d800:

:) ... no I said comps, not PCs

[11:21:17]

juski:

been using computers since I was 10, and more than 2 and a half decades later..

[11:21:30]

mzb_d800:

ie. something smarter than a 1972 calculator ;)

[11:21:50]

mzb_d800:

k, sounds better :)

[11:21:56]

juski:

zx81, ti994a, tandy coco, atari 800, atari ST.. then PC (ugh)

[11:22:25]

mzb_d800:

yeah ... "modern stuff" ;P ... zx81 was a bit rich for me ;P

[11:22:42]

juski:

used to program z80 & 6809 assembler for fun as a kid. that'd prolly explain a lot

[11:23:15]

mzb_d800:

ooh!

[11:23:25]

mzb_d800:

you'll love this then: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=10

[11:23:31]

mzb_d800:

still works

[11:24:27]

** juski laughs out loud at "I'd like a theme that looks like apple frontrow" **

[11:25:04]

directhex:

juski, mythtv is just a clone of far superior proprietary tech, so should look the part. duh!

[11:25:28]

juski:

say what you like about apple. their UIs are gorgeous

[11:25:47]

directhex:

can't stomach osx myself

[11:25:53]

directhex:

and i have a 24" imac as an office pc

[11:26:01]

juski:

what can I say? I just love shiny things

[11:26:11]

mzb_d800:

680x had nothing (directly) to do with apple, check the link ;)

[11:26:38]

juski:

"The server at www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net is taking too long to respond."

[11:26:45]

mzb_d800:

hmm

[11:26:54]

juski:

I'm not sitting here all day clicking 'refresh' :P

[11:29:19]

mzb_d800:

http://www.the-cloak.com/Cloaked/+cfg=32/http . . . on.net/blog/

[11:29:23]

mzb_d800:

works for me

[11:29:49]

mzb_d800:

and all 3 of my test proxies give a result, perhaps your end?

[11:30:39]

juski:

possibly. I'm finding opendns really slow compared to my ISP's DNS these days :(

[11:30:47]

mzb_d800:

ah

[11:31:00]

juski:

I'd rather slow and reliable though

[11:31:47]

mzb_d800:

not to worry, thought you might be interested in 6809 ... have never met anyone who had experience with one :)

[11:32:16]

mzb_d800:

I played with 680x for quite a few years

[11:32:28]

mzb_d800:

blog entry tells the rest

[11:33:16]

mzb_d800:

clocked link should have been: http://www.the-cloak.com/Cloaked/+cfg=32/http . . . t/blog/?p=10

[11:33:44]

juski:

tandy coco used 6809 :)

[11:34:39]

** directhex had a dragon 32 **

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directhex:

it was welshtastic!

[11:35:03]

juski:

couldn't really do much with it in terms of cool things, but I managed to make a sound sampler for it which worked before the amp I had plugged into it blew up & took half the coco with it

[11:35:05]

directhex:

and 6809ish

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mzb_d800:

apart from the aerial: the other two folders might be of interest: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . _itemId=1863

[11:35:23]

juski:

directhex: tandy coco clone-tastic more like ;)

[11:35:24]

directhex:

infact, it was mostly coco-compatible. but welsher

[11:35:50]

juski:

same rom apart from a few tokens, and it had a parallel printer port rather than a bit-banged serial one

[11:35:51]

mzb_d800:

juski: read the blog entry: I had sound + speech

[11:36:11]

** juski doesn't read blogs anymore **

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mzb_d800:

dual boot

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juski:

I have the will to live!

[11:36:19]

mzb_d800:

your loss

[11:36:33]

mzb_d800:

hand made computer

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Daviey:

juski: get reading those blogs

[11:36:54]

mzb_d800:

wire-wrap boards

[11:37:04]

Daviey:

Liferea will help you keep upto date

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juski:

all very good in the 1980s I'm sure

[11:37:39]

mzb_d800:

yes

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mzb_d800:

pre-c64

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juski:

Daviey: liferea? sounds like blogs

[11:38:03]

Daviey:

it is!

[11:38:09]

mzb_d800:

blog-phobia?

[11:38:15]

Daviey:

get reading!

[11:38:22]

juski:

no ferkin way

[11:38:48]

juski:

I just have better things to do with my time than spend it reading the minutae of people's sad lives

[11:38:53]

juski:

no offense

[11:38:58]

Daviey:

naa you don't

[11:39:16]

mzb_d800:

none taken ... short story, mostly pics ... your loss

[11:39:48]

juski:

ubuntu people are all very 2.0 aren't they? I think that's what I find most annoying about them ;)

[11:39:50]

mzb_d800:

ie. most of text is transcript from chat with builder (dad)

[11:40:07]

mzb_d800:

heh

[11:40:16]

Daviey:

juski: I'm anti-social-networks

[11:40:16]

mzb_d800:

and you're showing your youth

[11:40:26]

Dagmar:

juski: Gentooers are more that

[11:40:32]

mzb_d800:

s/your/you're/

[11:40:37]

Daviey:

Gentooer's are just nuts

[11:40:47]

Dagmar:

their core folks are okay, but the rest of them... it's noobs all the way down

[11:40:54]

juski:

they have the patience of saints & must be revered as gods!

[11:41:08]

Daviey:

*sadists*

[11:41:27]

juski:

actually you could say the same about Ubuntuers. they're so fucking apologetic about everything

[11:41:45]

Daviey:

6–8hrs to 'emerge' Gnome – for a (possible) millionth of a millionth speed increace

[11:42:04]

juski:

Hey I have a problem, I can't find any info about it (read can't be frigged to RTFM), HELP!

[11:42:18]

mzb_d800:

btw juski: my life isn't sad ... just can't spend huge $ on (new) computer(s) ... have child to maintain instead ;)

[11:42:18]

juski:

reply goes "hey, I'm sorry to hear that.. how can we help?"

[11:42:24]

Daviey:

"let me phone you help to read you the manual"

[11:42:28]

directhex:

this reminds me of something i wrote ON MY BLOG!!!

[11:42:51]

tank-man:

irc = interactive blog

[11:43:02]

juski:

and anybody who even hints at the merest suggestion the user might like to read some docs or submit a bug report/patch is THE SPAWN OF THE DEVIL!

[11:43:03]

Daviey:

juski: I'd like to point out that i basically told a Debian guy to RTFM for something he asked on a LUG ML

[11:43:13]

directhex:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/5/ is the bloggy version. the blog-free version still remains at http://retro.apebox.org/index.php?section=six&rant=irc.rant

[11:43:19]

Daviey:

tank-man: bah.. irc = interactive nano

[11:43:25]

juski:

Daviey: but you know the ubuntu fora reputation right? ;)

[11:43:33]

Dagmar:

fora?

[11:43:42]

Daviey:

juski: we hug tree's

[11:43:43]

juski:

fora/forums/whatever

[11:43:44]

directhex:

forae!

[11:43:51]

juski:

foureyes?

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Daviey:

juski: we'll even give you the reach around whilst we read you the manpage

[11:44:15]

juski:

Daviey: tree hugging, lily-livered, afraid to tell it like it is..

[11:44:31]

juski:

ultimately bad for everybody IMHO & must be stopped!

[11:44:36]

Dagmar:

I like "forumses":

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mzb_d800:

ah, I see ... a # of childlike humor ... I'd better find something a bit more grown up to amuse myself with

[11:45:49]

juski:

directhex: sadly not only restricted to IRC anymore :(

[11:46:06]

juski:

being shouted at when I was a noob did me the world of good :D

[11:47:01]

directhex:

mzb_d800, when did lati declension get counted as "childlike"?

[11:47:08]

directhex:

if more kids learnt latin the world might not be going to shit

[11:47:12]

Daviey:

juski: when did you -stop_ being aa noob?

[11:47:32]

mzb_d800:

kid?

[11:47:33]

juski:

Daviey: I'm still noobish in loads of things. theming, coding..

[11:47:42]

directhex:

Daviey, when he compiled his own kernel with --Ozomg fast

[11:47:57]

Daviey:

juski: now you're taking the pee – noob to theming, O RLY

[11:48:04]

juski:

yes RLY

[11:48:42]

juski:

sure certain of my work might outshine other mythtv themes but sadly that's really not saying much

[11:48:43]

directhex:

http://www.reallifecomics.com/comics/2007/20071012_1932.png

[11:49:17]

Daviey:

juski: I use your themes on my production machines... so i'd consider them good

[11:49:20]

mzb_d800:

so after giving cheshair shit before, this is now a "chatroom" again ... gee how things change ;)

[11:49:33]

Daviey:

mzb_d800: bye bye

[11:49:40]

directhex:

mzb_d800, chat between people who've read the manual!

[11:49:47]

directhex:

or pretended to anyway

[11:50:00]

juski:

Daviey: themes will be back soon under a new licence. CC NC, yada yada

[11:50:11]

mzb_d800:

Daviey: bye

[11:50:22]

Daviey:

Don't slam the door on your way out...

[11:50:29]

juski:

back as soon as google updates its sorry ass

[11:50:46]

mzb_d800:

Daviey: only if your dick was in it ;)

[11:50:57]

Daviey:

nice..

[11:51:08]

directhex:

google has an unhappy donkey :(

[11:51:18]

juski:

paid big money for the hosting this time so it's gonna be worth my while to keep em online & ignore assholes who make throwaway comments that cut like a razor

[11:51:38]

Daviey:

juski: juski.co.uk will be back?

[11:51:41]

juski:

nope

[11:51:57]

juski:

it's as good as expired

[11:52:04]

Daviey:

oh goody.. i'm gonna buy the domain and host pron when it expires

[11:52:13]

mzb_d800:

directhex: of course ... I simply refer to the references made between those asking for help (and taking a long time to get to the point), as opposed to the OT chat going on now

[11:52:30]

Daviey:

mzb_d800: are you still here? o_O

[11:52:54]

mzb_d800:

Daviey: no .. it's an arsewipe-autoresponder

[11:52:57]

juski:

mzb_d800: if we each had a dollar for the amount of times somebody whined when we suggested they take a peek at some docs we'd be rich!

[11:53:13]

mzb_d800:

juski: I agree

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juski:

oh man inkscape really really sucks at redrawing the screen. this is the year 2007. you should not have to put up with seeing the screen be painted almost line by line! wtf is inkscape written in? freaking _python_ ?

[11:54:53]

mzb_d800:

what are you trying to do with it?

[11:55:02]

Daviey:

juski: what OS?

[11:55:12]

juski:

winders

[11:55:28]

juski:

edgy's version doesn't have gaussian blur

[11:55:30]

Daviey:

nuff said :)

[11:56:01]

juski:

I'm not about having to export every ducking layer into GIMP

[11:56:01]

Dagmar:

I use the Windows version and it's kinda dodgy, but I suspect that's more due to Win32 widgets sucking

[11:56:29]

juski:

there's a bit of transparency going on, which is where I think the slowness is eeking in

[11:56:29]

cheshair:

does anybody of you happen to know if i can set a "save position on exit" option? (in order to have a fast resume while watching my movies)

[11:56:42]

juski:

cheshair: if you use the Internal player, yes

[11:57:03]

juski:

not if you use an external player

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Dagmar:

...which you were told earlier

[11:58:03]

Dagmar:

Is it any wonder hald holding is frowned on when in the time that's elapsed you could have actually read the doucmentation

[11:58:04]

cheshair:

juski: internal player is ok, the point is i would like an automated saving, without pressing space

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mzb_d800:

cheshair: I found the posts I referred to before by googling 'mythtv "save position on exit"'

[11:59:23]

Dagmar:

juski: Yeah what are you thinking... expecting him to actually have to tell the machine what he wants it to do

[11:59:30]

Dagmar:

Sheesh

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cheshair:

mzb_d800: hm i'm sorry, but i do use google and i had nearly the very same search 'mythtv "save position on exit"'

[12:00:41]

** juski wonders if there's a setting which would "save position on exit" and if it's actually called "save position on exit" **

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juski:

oh wait! there is! awesome!

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mzb_d800:

cheshair: ok ... well that's the best I can go for you ... I "barely" have a working system ;)

[12:01:19]

mzb_d800:

apart from that I'd suggest trying more searches, or reading the source

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** juski just used google & found http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . ion_Frontend as the very first hit **

[12:01:43]

mzb_d800:

(official docs + wiki are best start;)

[12:02:08]

juski:

THE VERY FIRST HIT! what did I use? "mythtv save position on exit"

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cheshair:

mzb_d800: thanks, i'll get deeper into them

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** juski takes a pill **

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... hope it wasn't the red one ;)

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Dagmar:

Lazy little beetches

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cheshair:

hi eSa|: the famous "provare per credere" way? :-)

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cheshair:

mzb_d800: i managed to have "automatic resume", that is "save position on exit". i couldn't find it at first because it appears under "tv settings" menu, while i'm only watching hd-stored videos. i thougth they were different pair of hands. it works fine now. :-)

[12:17:13]

mzb_d800:

great, well done

[12:21:03]

anykey_:

Does someone know if there are shoutcast patches for a later revision than 14140?

[12:22:18]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I can't think of a slower way to find anything out than explicitly refusing to look for yourself and asking in an IRC channel late at night

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Dagmar:

It's pretty hard to top

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GreyFoxx:

Untrained carrier pigeon would do it

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GreyFoxx:

or one of those helium balloons people let go with a message attached hoping someone finds it

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mzb_d800:

"check changelogs or revision commits" would suffice?

[12:25:35]

rooaus:

anykey_: Have you tried it? Does it fail?

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anykey_:

rooaus: I get an error compiling it with rev 14205...

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anykey_:

playbackbox.cpp:1461: error: 'editDialog' was not declared in this scope

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rooaus:

ah ok, I wonder what has changed since 14140?

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anykey_:

I don't know, but there were changes it seems ;-)

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Dagmar:

I can make some guesses

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rooaus:

anykey_: Did the patch apply cleanly? Anything about failed hunks?

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anykey_:

rooaus: all does apply cleanly yes

[13:07:38]

anykey_:

rooaus: some offsets but nothing that fails

[13:08:28]

rooaus:

did you do a distclean? If not it is worth a shot.

[13:10:12]

anykey_:

rooaus: its a fresh checkout

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anykey_:

(but from rev 14205)

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rooaus:

anykey_: If you want to investigate the changes further you can use "svn diff -r 14140:14205 path/of/interest" to see the changes between the revisions.

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anykey_:

opello: ok, i'll check

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opello:

anykey_: hm?

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anykey_:

opello: sorry, wrong nick ;-)

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MATooooOOOoo:

are all tvtuners supported by linux also supported by mythtv?

[14:08:23]

MATooooOOOoo:

and is there someone using ituner spectra 8 with mythtv

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directhex:

MATooooOOOoo, yes to the first question

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hexxington:

bleh

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sslashes:

is there a mythtv option to *never* do *anything* even *remotely* related to dpms (i.e., disable the internal mythtv dpms)

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mzb_d800:

see xorg.conf. afaik mythfrontend shouldn't control that

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sslashes:

mzb_d800: MythTV now has DPMS support built-in, and should intelligently handle the screen. from http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html

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sslashes:

mythtv only seems to blank when there is no video playing, but i don't want it to every blank

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sslashes:

every = ever

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Hamburglr:

hey all is there a way to limit how much space mythtv allows for recordings (other than putting it on a separate partition)

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rooaus:

sslashes: disable it in your .xinitrc, something like "xset -dpms s off"

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sslashes:

Hamburglr: you can tell mythtv how much *extra* space you want on a volume

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Hamburglr:

sslashes: That's perfect. Where can I find that setting? I've been looking for days.

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sslashes:

Utils > TV Settings > General, 2nd page

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tmba:

hey, I'd like to ask for advice on folders with mythtv. I have not run it previously, and am thinking of setting it up on one of my boxes together with a samba file server. I'm thinking of running mythtv so it can play divx movies also, should they be in the same folder as the recordings?

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Hamburglr:

sslashes: perfect. Thank you, don't know how I missed it.

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sslashes:

Hamburglr: np

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RoyK:

hiall

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RoyK:

v4l-info tells me I have a Leadtek PVR 2000 card, but mythtv seems unable to get any data from it

[14:47:44]

RoyK:

any idea where to start?

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mzb_d800:

sslashes: my mistake :|

[14:49:09]

sslashes:

mzb_d800: no worries, i think i have it as i want it now

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sslashes:

rooaus: thanks for the tip

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mzb_d800:

the text on that page (pretty much) supported the thrust of my argument: ie. disable dpms elsewhere ;)

[14:50:51]

RoyK:

jau

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RoyK:

irc funker

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mzb_d800:

QRJ

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directhex:

RoyK, do you *really* have a leadtek pvr 2000 card?

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RoyK:

directhex: v4l-info tells me so

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directhex:

RoyK, what kind of signal are you trying to receive with it?

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RoyK:

directhex: analogue

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** directhex is certain his nova-ts once identified themselves as something with a 2000 in the name **

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RoyK:

nova-ts?

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RoyK:

what sort of signalling does that take?

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directhex:

dvb-t

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directhex:

okay, looks like a cx88 framegrabber

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sslashes:

ok – i checked my xorg file for DPMS, nothing anywhere (in fact, there is a section dedicated to making sure it is completely disabled), i ran "xset -dmps s off" and then "xset q" and found dpms disabled, after about twenty minutes, mythtv blanked (it is on the home screen – no videos running), i ran "xset q" and saw dpms was now enabled – wtf?

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sslashes:

mind you, the screen *never* blanks so long as myth is playing video

[15:01:27]

Dagmar:

So, what you're telling us is that you'd like to destroy your television.

[15:01:41]

RoyK:

directhex: not dvb, no, just analog. cx88 is the driver loaded by default, but mythtv can't reach it

[15:01:55]

directhex:

RoyK, can anything else? tvtime or somesuch?

[15:01:58]

Dagmar:

Just use a blunt object or a permanent marker on the display.

[15:02:09]

Dagmar:

It'll be much less hassle.

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directhex:

Dagmar, some people turn their tvs off, and it's somewhat annoying when turning it back on to have the screen go into suspend

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RoyK:

directhex: what's tvtime? haven't tried

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** RoyK installs tvtime **

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Dagmar:

directhex: Like pushing a button on the remote doesn't immediately wake it up

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directhex:

Dagmar, 10 seconds, give or take

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sslashes:

Dagmar: instead of assuming i have a tv where image burning would be a problems, is there a functional way of making this happen – does myth handle its own dpms – can it be disabled?

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Dagmar:

You realize that that sort of thing *will* ruin a CRT rather quickly

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Dagmar:

sslashes: Have you looked in the wiki?

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty careful about turning off the TV, but even as careful as that, it would have surely ruined mine by now

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sslashes:

Dagmar: i am running it on a projector, and i use the *power* button on the remote to screen blank – i do not want mythtv to screen blank for a few reasons – namely i don't like mythmusic or mythmpd, so i use mpd with sonata – when i want to listen to music i switch to a second virtual desktop (using wmctrl) and use sonata as an mpd client

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keithclark:

I'm giving knoppmyth a try but on booting it gets stuck at "Starting udev hotplug hardware detection". Any thoughts?

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sslashes:

Dagmar: i've looked around the wiki a bit, but to no avail

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rooaus:

sslashes: My entire .xinitrc is here: http://pastebin.ca/735328 I output via dvi->hdmi to an LCD.

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rooaus:

By the way, myth never blanks my screen. But that could be because the TV is driven via the HDMI and not the VGA.

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RoyK:

directhex: seems tvtime finds the card but no channels

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RoyK:

directhex: we're trying to move this from windows media, where it currently works

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RoyK:

seems i found one – but I only get black and white

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cheshair:

hi again guys! i enabled opengl in my mythtv, but smooth transitions are not so smooth... i notice little "jumps" while menu writings fade one into another... is it normal? may i get better results? should i check for my 3d acceleration? or try better to configure mythtv?

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keithclark:

At my first attempt to install knoppmyth I get stuck at the following: Starting udev hotplug hardware installation. Any ideas on what could be doing this?

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RoyK:

hi again

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RoyK:

I've been trying to get this cx88 card working with mythtv, but I can't make out how. it now works with tvtime, without audio, though, but the video is there. mythtv frontend complains the card is busy for recording or something, although recordings has neither been scheduled nor is in progress. any ideas?

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cheshair:

RoyK: don't you get anything in your logs?

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RoyK:

cheshair: what logs should I check?

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Bolly:

hey, just wondering, how do i look at teletext

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Bolly:

i am pressing the teletext button on my mce control but it's not doing anything

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RoyK:

heh

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RoyK:

ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.

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RoyK:

Perhaps you should read the installation instructions?

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Dagmar:

sage words from software.

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Daviey:

o_O teletext... what is this?

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Daviey:

or rather.. who still uses it?

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Daviey:

I thought it went out of fashion with flares

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RoyK:

2007-10–13 17:42:03.719 TVRec(5) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'.

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RoyK:

2007-10–13 17:42:03.721 ChannelBase(5) Error: InitializeInputs():

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RoyK:

where should I look for info to solve this? mythtv-setup looks fine to me

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Bolly:

i want to look at flights

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RoyK:

Bolly: I think there's something called Internet and The Web that lets you do that quite easily

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Bolly:

no not when i'm looking for a number in particular

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Dagmar:

Or you could just ignore it

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Bolly:

i am pressing the button T

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Bolly:

but it's just bringing up subtitles

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Dagmar:

...because it's a bug in mythtv-setup no one seems to care enough about to fix,.

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Bolly:

boo

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Cyrexion:

hey guys, is it possible to change the keybindings (key-to-command) in mythtv? For example, I want pressing 'X' to restart the machine. Therefore, what file would I need to edit to associate 'X' with 'sudo reboot' ?

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directhex:

you want a single reboot key? sounds risky :x

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GreyFoxx:

There is no way to associate a button to a external command

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GreyFoxx:

not with myth at least

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directhex:

but you can edit key bindings in the DB (or more easily, with mythweb)

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Cyrexion:

ok.. thanks directhex and GreyFoxx

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tmba:

are there any matrix or overview how to choose which tuner when loading the ivtv module?

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tmba:

seems ivtv is not able to choose the correct tuner automatically for me :(

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marccastles:

can anyone help me out with an osd aspect ratio problem?

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marccastles:

no one there?

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armbar:

hello

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marccastles:

hi

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marccastles:

anyone using a 16:10 screen?

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tom_:

Hi, anyone have experience with setting overscan on their TV out?

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tom_:

hello, anyone there

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cesman:

hello tom

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cesman:

I have an video card w/ an nvidia chipset

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cesman:

I set my overscan in xorg.conf

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tom_:

cesman, sorry I ran away for a second

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tom_:

can you send me your xorg.conf

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tom_:

?

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tom_:

through pastebin or something?

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tom_:

I have a VIA EPIA-M but I bet the configuration is similar

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kaos_:

Hi, I'm using a dvb t card. With xine this card works well. But with mythtv I can scan the channels but I can't lock any channel (signal is abuot 68%). Can you help me?

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cesman:

tom_: the syntax for overscan is specific to nvidia as far as I'm aware

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neofax:

I am having a problem getting lirc to work on a PVR-500

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kaos_:

Hi, I'm using a dvb t card. With xine this card works well. But with mythtv I can scan the channels but I can't lock any channel (signal is about 68%). Can you help me?

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magicrobotmonkey:

hi, i just changed my network around so the ip address of my backend changed. Im running mythweb on the same box as the backend, but its coming up with an error that it cant connect to the backend server at the old ip. I cant find where to change the ip its trying to connect to

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clever`rev:

mythfrontend or mythtv-setup i beleive

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clever`rev:

under general

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magicrobotmonkey:

ahh ok

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S2:

/var/www/mythweb/.htaccess

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directhex:

the frontend retrieves backend details from the DB

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S2:

or wherever you have mythweb installed

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clever`rev:

mythweb also gets backend stuff from db

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clever`rev:

htaccess points mythweb to the db

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clever`rev:

mysql.txt points the rest of myth to the db

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magicrobotmonkey:

yea i see it now

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magicrobotmonkey:

i got the mysql.txt but forgot about the other

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magicrobotmonkey:

thx

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clever`rev:

half my systems where allready on static ip's before i started using mythtv

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baxter_kylie:

Hello. Does anyone know where I can direct mythfilldatabase to the mysql installation? It keeps trying to look for a local mysql server and the server is actually on a different machine.

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clever`rev:

mysql.txt points the rest of myth to the db

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clever`rev:

find it(locate mysql.txt) and check its values

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kaos_:

Hi, I'm using a dvb t card. With xine this card works well. But with mythtv I can scan the channels but I can't lock any channel (signal is about 68%). Can you help me?

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baxter_kylie:

clever`rev: Ahh. Darn it! Second time this week I've gotten the /etc/...mysql.txt and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt mixed up. Gratz.

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clever`rev:

lol:)

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clever`rev:

you could just delete one

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clever`rev:

mythtv looks thru a list of places for it

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clever`rev:

and uses the first it finds

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clever`rev:

if theres only 1 it only has 1 choice

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clever`rev:

im using ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt on all my boxes(under the mythtv username)

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baxter_kylie:

clever`rev: Well it doesn't seem to default, in this case, to using /etc/.... I was logged in as root (doing some tuneup work) and tried to run it. Root doesn't have a ~/.mythtv

[21:09:31]

clever`rev:

yeah

[21:09:44]

clever`rev:

when root your ~ comes out to /root

[21:09:50]

clever`rev:

and it wont find the per user one

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baxter_kylie:

Seems so. And also seems to ignore the /etc one. Anyway. su'ing to mythtv solved it.

[21:10:21]

baxter_kylie:

Thanks.

[21:10:28]

clever`rev:

:)

[21:10:40]

clever`rev:

a slight problem of running myth as root sometimes

[21:10:50]

clever`rev:

some of your recordings might get owned by root

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clever`rev:

which mythtv cant delete later on

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clever`rev:

and the backend may give up deleting it from the disk but remove it from the db

[21:11:44]

clever`rev:

leaving files arround on the disk that arent in the list(and cant be deleted without manualy deleting)

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magicrobotmonkey:

have you guys seen the mythfrontend for the n800?

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clever`rev:

not yet but ive heard talk of it

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magicrobotmonkey:

http://melunkodev.blogspot.com/2007/09/mythtv-at-nokia-n800.html

[21:13:02]

magicrobotmonkey:

have you heard of gmyth?

[21:13:35]

magicrobotmonkey:

i want to get some on demand downsampling/streaming going so i can watch stuff remotely over my slow upspeed

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clever`rev:

when i was in cleveland for a few weeks

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clever`rev:

i transfered the raw nuv files(1gig/hour) to a local hdd(50kb/sec makes it take days allmost:P)

[21:15:07]

magicrobotmonkey:

yea i know

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magicrobotmonkey:

stupid slow uploads

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clever`rev:

then i added the local folder as a storage group and ran a mythbackend on that system(to delete it)

[21:15:30]

magicrobotmonkey:

i was able to stream a redsox game from home to my office w/ vlc

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clever`rev:

mythtv ran it somewhat ok but the db/masterbe access lagged

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magicrobotmonkey:

but it takes a lot to get it set up and its pretty clunky

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magicrobotmonkey:

huh thats interesting

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clever`rev:

when i got home i pushed the rest of the recordings into that usb drive turning it into a storage backend

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clever`rev:

then i emptied the drive out

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clever`rev:

merged it into lvm on the master be

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clever`rev:

and got all the space on 1 filesystem

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magicrobotmonkey:

geez

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magicrobotmonkey:

thats pretty sweet

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clever`rev:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever`rev:

theP4:/media/mainlv 155G 148G 7.6G 96% /media/mainlv

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clever`rev:

the lvm is made up of 21gig 74gig 76gig

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magicrobotmonkey:

thats cool

[21:18:13]

clever`rev:

171gig total

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magicrobotmonkey:

im just using 1 80gig for myth right now, but i have a terastation i use for other stuff

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clever`rev:

the only problem is that i needed somewhere to put 80gig of files

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clever`rev:

when emptying it to convert to lvm

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magicrobotmonkey:

right

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clever`rev:

`e $bytes($disk(f).free).suf

[21:19:19]

clever`rev:

$bytes($disk(f).free).suf == 12.04GB

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clever`rev:

f drive has 12gig free on winblows

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clever`rev:

the media computer lvm is a total mess:P

[21:20:11]

clever`rev:

20gig for the whole lvm

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clever`rev:

7 different partitions

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clever`rev:

on the SAME drive :P

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clever`rev:

in backwards order

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magicrobotmonkey:

heh

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clever`rev:

it started out as fat32 linux swap

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clever`rev:

i moved fat files out nfs and shrunk the fat giving me fat32 free linux swap

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clever`rev:

put in lvm fat lvm1 linux swap, moved fat files to lvm and shrunk fat again fat32 free lvm1 linux swap

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clever`rev:

repeated till i had fat32 lvm7 lvm6 ... lvm2 lvm1 linux swap

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clever`rev:

lol

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clever`rev:

just noticed

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clever`rev:

its 6pm

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clever`rev:

and i havent even gotten out of bed yet:P

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PoeticIntensity:

Ugh.... I'm having problems with mythtv and all the googling I can do leads me to answers which have no effect.

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PoeticIntensity:

I just replaced an NVIDIA FX-5200 AGP card with an FX-6150 card.

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PoeticIntensity:

worked great, until I upgraded to myth version:

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PoeticIntensity:

mythtv-0.20.2_p14668

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PoeticIntensity:

I'm running gentoo.

[21:34:21]

PoeticIntensity:

my problem is with both live tv and recorded shows. Mythvideo runs fine.

[21:34:29]

PoeticIntensity:

the log for mythfrontend shows:

[21:35:06]

PoeticIntensity:

NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

[21:35:22]

PoeticIntensity:

repeated ad-nauseum until I ctrl-c out of it.

[21:35:33]

PoeticIntensity:

nothing else works until ctrl-c is pressed... Then myth exits and all is well.

[21:36:02]

PoeticIntensity:

I've made sure GLX is working right (getting 1500 FPS with glxgears), I've tried both nvidia and nv drivers for X.

[21:36:04]

PoeticIntensity:

any ideas?

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PoeticIntensity:

it's pretty much driving me crazy by now, so any help would be greatly appreciated...

[21:36:50]

PoeticIntensity:

I've had this box up now for 3 years, and it's worked wonderfully – until now.

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neofax:

Anyone have lirc working on a PVR-500?

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PoeticIntensity:

I have it working on a PVR-250.

[21:47:36]

PoeticIntensity:

I would suppose they're similar...

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neofax:

I can only get some keys to work. Most do not

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PoeticIntensity:

hmm....

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PoeticIntensity:

might be your remote?

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PoeticIntensity:

hardware related?

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neofax:

The only ones that work are the arrow keys and the OK key.

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neofax:

If that was true, then irw would work and nothing would show. However, irw errors out

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laga:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

juski was last seen 1 hour 23 minutes 48 seconds ago

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Daviey:

laga: that dog of his is distracting his myth commitment

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juski:

!seen laga

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MythLogBot:

laga is here and has been idle for 20 minutes 19 seconds

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laga:

!slap juski log-reading

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clever`rev:

13 18:55:14 < laga> !seen juski

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clever`rev:

13 18:55:47 < Daviey> laga: that dog of his is distracting his myth commitment

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clever`rev:

13 19:15:33 < juski> !seen laga

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clever`rev:

(forgot theres logs online for this channel:P)

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AndyCap:

the new and improved game of irc-tag

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jedix:

why would one leave irc?

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jedix:

that seems wrong.

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juski:

didn't read the log actually

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laga:

how do i know i was looking for you? not really looking for you, jmust randomly wondering..)

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juski:

I didn't know. but I was gonna show you what I just msged you about

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laga:

i didnt get a msg?

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laga:

are you auth'ed?

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laga:

god, i'm typing crap today..

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juski:

ah I am now

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juski:

I deliberately made it more of a chore to log in so I'm less tempted to hang around & get moody

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** Daviey suspects there is some steamy PM'ing happening as we speak **

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juski:

well – g'night all. chatty as ever :P

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jduggan:

wow, juski

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UnixDog:

hey there where can I find a list of supported cards

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cesman:

UnixDog: there is no formal list for MythTV that I'm aware of...

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UnixDog:

ok

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RaYmAn-Bx:

the wiki iirc has some, but not neccesarily complete or even accurate.

[23:26:47]

cesman:

UnixDog: you can take a look at ftp://knoppmyth.net/R5/pamphlet.pdf that will give you some ideas

[23:27:09]

cesman:

however that is specific to KnoppMyth based on the modules I've compiled

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cesman:

you can take a look at ivtvdriver.org to see what ivtv supports

[23:28:04]

cesman:

you can also take a look at the link on the linuxtv.org wiki

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cesman:

that will be the bulk of the cards

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UnixDog:

ok

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UnixDog:

I have to deside of knoppmyth or mythdora

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cesman:

wha?

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UnixDog:

I have a via 1.3 with1 gig ram and a 320 gig hd

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UnixDog:

and a digital tv tuner card

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cesman:

does your Via support i586 or i686?

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cesman:

MythDora will only work on i686 on up

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UnixDog:

air2pc tv tuner card based on the b2c2 chip

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cesman:

where as KnoppMyth is i586 on up

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UnixDog:

its a 686

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cesman:

ok...

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cesman:

so either should work for you

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Perdignus:

I just installed an SVN version and can't start the backend because it won't upgrade my DB with this message – [console is not interactive, using default 'no']

[23:33:36]

UnixDog:

what desktop does knoppmyth use

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Perdignus:

Is there a startup switch or way I can tell it "yes"?

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cesman:

KnoppMyth does use a desktop

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cesman:

Fluxbox is the included Window Manager

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UnixDog:

ok

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UnixDog:

so its a very basic install

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UnixDog:

not all the kde stuff mythdora has

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cesman:

the idea is PVR

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cesman:

nothing else

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UnixDog:

ok

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UnixDog:

thats what I want

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Perdignus:

oops, sorry, I was prompted in mythtv-setup

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cesman:

KDE is great! It is my desktop of choice, however I'm of the opinion KDE _doesn't_ belong on a PVR.

[23:36:00]

UnixDog:

I agree

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UnixDog:

my idea is just mwm

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UnixDog:

or tinywn

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UnixDog:

tinywm

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UnixDog:

lol

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UnixDog:

it has the dvd ripper in it

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UnixDog:

so I can store all my dvd

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cesman:

are those questions or statements?

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UnixDog:

questions

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UnixDog:

brain in retarted mode today

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UnixDog:

was a long week

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cesman:

yes, KnoppMyth includes all you need

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UnixDog:

sorry

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cesman:

less codecs

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cesman:

and libdvdcss

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Daviey:

cesman: What sort of traffic is your main mirror currently pushing per month?

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UnixDog:

so I would have to install the lib

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UnixDog:

ok

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cesman:

Daviey: don't know, don't care

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Daviey:

k

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cesman:

Daviey: I'm not interested in those numbers

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UnixDog:

pvr/asteriskbox in 1

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UnixDog:

lol

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cesman:

I figure I'll try my best to make the best product I can...

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cesman:

I do that and hopfully the users will come

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Daviey:

I was just interested in how your managing traffic on your main mirror.. would imagine it gets quite a hammering at times

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cesman:

yes

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Daviey:

cesman: Knoppmyth is a fine achievement.. i used to use it

[23:44:32]

cesman:

the last release as been out for just over a month and it has severed up over 4000 copies

[23:44:46]

Daviey:

woohaoo

[23:44:50]

cesman:

odd thing is, folks are still getting older versions as well

[23:45:17]

Daviey:

then complain on your forum, "It don't work" ?

[23:45:19]

UnixDog:

I just wish the needed drivers for my card where on bsd

[23:45:36]

UnixDog:

then I would do a mythbsd

[23:45:49]

Daviey:

seriously, why?

[23:46:03]

UnixDog:

because I am a bsd user at heart

[23:46:10]

Daviey:

*pity*

[23:46:17]

UnixDog:

why

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UnixDog:

I have been doing bsd since before linux was around

[23:46:52]

Daviey:

I've just had too many experiences with BSD

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Daviey:

(bad experiences)

[23:47:19]

UnixDog:

never had the issues on bsd I have with inux

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UnixDog:

linux

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UnixDog:

I have had more issues on linux with missing depends then on bsd

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Daviey:

From what i have encountered... Too many tools have been written (that should be POSIX compliant), are linux centric

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UnixDog:

but we will see how knoppmyth works

[23:48:06]

Daviey:

Sooooo.. they just don't work right in BSD

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cesman:

Daviey: what prompted the change from KnoppMyth?

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cesman:

anything we could improve?

[23:48:50]

Daviey:

cesman: Nothin you haven't now fixed

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Daviey:

cesman: Plus, i co-founded mythbuntu – which was the main reason

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cesman:

ahhh

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Daviey:

cesman: am i now on your /ignore list :D

[23:49:56]

UnixDog:

what is the unbunto myth +security project called

[23:50:00]

UnixDog:

I saw it once

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cesman:

why would you be?

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Daviey:

cesman: jest.. :)

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Daviey:

cesman: I think Knoppmyth rocks.. and it was that which introduced me to myth \o/

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cesman:

:D

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Daviey:

The only problems i had was the upgrade procedure and the repo problems

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Daviey:

but i understand they are now sorted

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UnixDog:

what about linux mce

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cesman:

UnixDog: what about it?

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Daviey:

Elisa?

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cesman:

Elisa....

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Daviey:

Not for me..

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UnixDog:

what the word on it . any good

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cesman:

perhaps someday

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cesman:

I've nothing to say about it...

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Daviey:

When i last looked at it.. the interface was slightly busy and seemed targeted towards a desktop rather than HTPC

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Daviey:

But that was long ago.. i'm sure it's better now

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UnixDog:

ok

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Daviey:

http://en.ubuntumediacenter.org/ will be based on Elisa.. but they have yet to produce anything

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Daviey:

Although i understand they are working hard in the background.. just not much news

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cesman:

Elisa has a nice interface

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cesman:

FIrst time I installed it, I could get it going...

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cesman:

second time was better

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cesman:

however it isn't a feature rich a Myth*

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cesman:

Daviey: please give suprmn1 (?) my regards

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Daviey:

will do.. "superm1" :)

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