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Thursday, October 11th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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clever`rev:

lvm can mix sizes(i have 7 partitions on the same drive merged)

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fryfrog:

right

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clever`rev:

lvm can also play musical chairs with the data

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EnderTheThird:

7 partitions on the same drive.... isn't that.... ridiculous?

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clever`rev:

its a horid mess

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clever`rev:

but i plan to fix it

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EnderTheThird:

i mean, considering they're LVM'd together

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Rommie:

Hey all. Myth freezes at the first frame of video, for both recordings and live TV, when I run it on an X server with GLX but without xrandr. It works fine without glx, but then I loose my direct rendering – is this a known issue?

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clever`rev:

the data is in the order or 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

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EnderTheThird:

heh

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EnderTheThird:

at least with Linux you don't get drive letters up to Z

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EnderTheThird:

i love that

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clever`rev:

i resized a fat32 to make room

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clever`rev:

so i had fat32 freespace linux

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clever`rev:

i turned the free space into lvm and moved fat files to lvm

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clever`rev:

shrunk fat32 some more

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EnderTheThird:

ah

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clever`rev:

fat32 free lvm1 linux

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clever`rev:

repeat

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clever`rev:

1–2gig chunks of lvm spread in backwards order

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clever`rev:

gparted refuses to let me MOVE PV's

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clever`rev:

so i cant shuffle them about

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clever`rev:

but i can empty the whole mess

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clever`rev:

delete

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clever`rev:

recreate 1 block

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EnderTheThird:

that IS a fucking mess

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Rommie:

clever`rev: Delete and reinstall :)

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clever`rev:

use

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fryfrog:

you sort of do

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clever`rev:

and i will soon have a massive ammount of free space elsewhere to move it to

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EnderTheThird:

buy an external HDD at best buy, move all your data to that, merge partitions, move data back, return the HDD

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clever`rev:

no job

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fryfrog:

i have /dev/sda to /dev/sdj :)

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clever`rev:

but bad ram recently killed my dads system

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clever`rev:

he got a new 80gig drive

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clever`rev:

which i filled(emptying his old 160gig)

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clever`rev:

now im emptying one of the linux fs's into the 160 to play musical chairs with lvm

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EnderTheThird:

haha

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fryfrog:

I just have one 2.1TB XFS partition on top of 8x320G raid5

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fryfrog:

no monkeying around with LVM :p

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clever`rev:

but if one of those drives fails

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clever`rev:

or starts to fail

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clever`rev:

you would need to replace it with another 320gig drive

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fryfrog:

true

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clever`rev:

with lvm i could replace it with 3 110gig drives or a 400gig

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fryfrog:

actually, i started out with only 5x 320G

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directhex:

clever`rev, no you cound't, you'd run out of space in your case!

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clever`rev:

or shrink my filesystems(assuming i had the free space)

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fryfrog:

I only recently added 1, then 2 more.

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BULLE:

4

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clever`rev:

and simply remove the drive

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DanPhilpott:

Anyone tried using zfs through fuse?

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directhex:

clever`rev, and on your disk controller!

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clever`rev:

im using pata atm so im limited to 4 drives a box

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fryfrog:

But getting 320G drives isn't a problem. And I *could* use a larger than 320G drive if I wanted

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fryfrog:

but 10 disks is the most i can fit

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clever`rev:

lol

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fryfrog:

when i do a new array, it'll be when 1TB disks are ~$100 each

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|UnixDog|:

ok what is the best out of the box setup

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clever`rev:

fryfrog: with lvm you can migrate the existing 320gig drives into the new 1tb drive when it comes out

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EnderTheThird:

the only thing that worries me about LVM is if one of those drives fails, i'm kinda hosed. granted i'm screwed if my ONE HDD fails, but still

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BULLE:

DanPhilpott: zfs seems realy great, but use it trough fuse seems like a stupid idea

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fryfrog:

I find Ubuntu to be very attractive OTB, Fedora is another good one, but I don't like RPM.

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clever`rev:

merging the data from all of them

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fryfrog:

clever`rev: I don't want 320G drives to be part of my 1TB array :)

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BULLE:

DanPhilpott: better just install opensolaris on the fileserver, or pray that sun releases zfs as gpl

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|UnixDog|:

I have a via-c3 1.3 ghz 1gig ram and a 320 gig hd

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clever`rev:

EnderTheThird: lvm can be layered over a raid MIRROR

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fryfrog:

in 2–3 years, when i build it, i'll just move the data, then use the 320G drives for what ever

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fryfrog:

if they even still work

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DanPhilpott:

Yeah, wasn't planning on using fuse/zfs myself but wondered if anyone had luck.

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BULLE:

i run a raid5 array, and then lvm on top of it

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DanPhilpott:

I guess MythTV doesn't work on OpenSolaris?

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|UnixDog|:

but I want a out of the box ready to go install iso

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fryfrog:

i might do LVM if i wanted a bunch of different partitions

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BULLE:

i mainly went with lvm because back when i built the initial array they only had metadata format 0.90 and that does not support partitioning of md devices

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directhex:

|UnixDog|, best? 8 1tib drives, a quad core core2, a few gig of ram, and an 8800gtx

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fryfrog:

but i'm perfectly happy with one partition and some dirs.

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|UnixDog|:

I have whatI have right now

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fryfrog:

BULLE: you are supposed to build an array from *partitions* not actual drives

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clever`rev:

right now ive got my lvm broken into several logical volumes

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, why would you wat it to? the frontend might be coaxed into running, but the backend needs v4l

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fryfrog:

ie, /dev/sd[a-d]1 and such

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BULLE:

fryfrog: yeah, but then you might want to have several partitions on the array

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clever`rev:

and ive emptyed the mythtv one out as much as i can into a spare drive

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|UnixDog|:

I have a digital tuner c alsodar

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fryfrog:

BULLE: ah, i see

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clever`rev:

so im now emptying a diff logical volume and shifting the space over to mythtv's

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|UnixDog|:

I have a digital tuner card also and a remote

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DanPhilpott:

BULLE: Fair point. Hadn't thought that through. But OpenSolaris is a nice platform, from what I have seen.

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BULLE:

fryfrog: i choose to use lvm for that, instead of going with the new metadata format that allows partitioning of md devices

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BULLE:

DanPhilpott: well, i havent used opensolaris, just "normal" solaris 8 and 9

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fryfrog:

i think i'd have done LVM too, even if partitioning md devices was possible

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BULLE:

DanPhilpott: and, while i do like solaris a lot, its nowhere near as easy to use as linux or freebsd

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EnderTheThird:

anyone here ever have trouble with PCI SATA controllers in Linux? I might grab one of those if I add more HDDs

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fryfrog:

LVM would just be betterer

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clever`rev:

lvm works on a set of 'psysical extents' of a static size(set when creating the vg)

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fryfrog:

EnderTheThird: I use a pair of sil based sata cards

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: i use one for some of my raid5 disks

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: i use apromise card, works like a charm

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|UnixDog|:

what is the best iso for the install

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BULLE:

tx300 something

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fryfrog:

I picked them because it was the same chipset that was built into the system already.

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clever`rev:

and the logical volumes are made up of PE's

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DanPhilpott:

BULLE: Try it sometime. I was surprised at how much I liked it. I've had to use Solaris in the past but never as a workstation and I'd always resented it (or more to the point, the Solaris admins Sun worship).

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fryfrog:

The sil cards were only like $11 each

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clever`rev:

and the PE's can be spread over as many drives as you want and moved about

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directhex:

|UnixDog|, take your pick. mythdora, mythbuntu, and knoppmyth, are 1-click installers

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clever`rev:

and the way i resize and move some of my volumes where broken into over 50 chunks

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clever`rev:

spread randomly over 3 drives(4 partitions)

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BULLE:

DanPhilpott: i never resented solaris, i just found it a bit, lacking in lots of respects, in comparison to say linux and freebsd

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BULLE:

DanPhilpott: mainly lots of arcane twists and realy wierd behaviour etc

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, solaris is unusable in its default state. ditto opensolaris. only some attempt to linuxify it (e.g. nexenta) makes it less than hell

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BULLE:

directhex: its not hell, i would happily run solaris as a fileserver

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BULLE:

directhex: but a default solaris install does leave a bit to be desired, as a workstation

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clever`rev:

i have a sparc box id like to use with linux but so far it just locks up when booting the ubuntu sparc cd

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BULLE:

clever`rev: why not just stick to solaris ?

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directhex:

BULLE, i say this as someone with some professional solaris experience

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clever`rev:

from what i hear in here solaris isnt that good:P

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DanPhilpott:

BULLE: I'd never delved that deep into Solaris. It's always worked fine for my part. But Sun people had a way of discouraging the use of Gnu tools which is what I really had a problem with.

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EnderTheThird:

even with LVM, i only have 2 SATA drives. I'll probably still LVM it, but with a 700GB HDD, that'll give me 1TB for recordings :-D

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clever`rev:

and i allready know ubuntu(and linux) inside and out

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EnderTheThird:

*2 SATA ports on my mobo, i mean

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fryfrog:

oh yeah, the other advantage RAID has over LVM is performance :/

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directhex:

osc@comp00:~$ psrinfo | wc -l

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directhex:

16

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fryfrog:

LVM (unless you do striping) won't use all your disks at the same time, raid5 does :)

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BULLE:

directhex: i say it as someone with some professional solaris experience aswell

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georgek:

why lvm when we can use multiple volumes per storage group if all you'll use it for is mythtv?

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clever`rev:

lvm performs good enough to record tv and stream it to a FE

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clever`rev:

which is about all i need

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fryfrog:

true :)

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BULLE:

directhex: i mainly serviced a serverfarm of sunfire v880 boxes though

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directhex:

BULLE, solaris is stupid by default. this is infuriating to me.

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BULLE:

directhex: ye, its a bit annoying yes =)

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DanPhilpott:

BULLE: I say nothing as someone someone with professional Solaris experience, because I have none. Just sayin'.

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BULLE:

DanPhilpott: no worries, i dont value your opinion any less

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directhex:

BULLE, http://retro.apebox.org/imglibrary.php?sectio . . . 0504_011.jpg

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directhex:

BULLE, we were glad to see the back of that lot

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directhex:

BULLE, aided with a crowbar if memory serves

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BULLE:

directhex: hehe

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EnderTheThird:

any experience with Syba PCI SATA controllers? $20 compared to $42 for Promise

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directhex:

avoid promise

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directhex:

they're not a linux-friendly company

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BULLE:

directhex: i once put one of the sunfrice v880 boxes on my foot, by mistake, while we were seating it in a rack, 110kg on my foot, that was my worst sun experience =D

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EnderTheThird:

Syba it is then!

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EnderTheThird:

thanks

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BULLE:

directhex: not true anymore

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|UnixDog|:

the card I hav is a air2pc atsc

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BULLE:

directhex: they provide opensource drivers for most if not all new cards

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BULLE:

and lots of support is already in mainline kernel

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directhex:

BULLE, that's a recent change then

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DanPhilpott:

If you can afford it get 3ware cards. Very linux friendly.

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: just check what chipset the Syba uses, and check that its supported

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BULLE:

directhex: ye, pretty new

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BULLE:

DanPhilpott: if he is looking in the usd20 to usd42 range i doubt he is intrested in 3ware hardware =)

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directhex:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . troller+Card

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EnderTheThird:

BULLE: thanks

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directhex:

ca't read what the chip manu is

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DanPhilpott:

Again, fair point. But I can't help but recommend 3ware whenever I have the chance. Had nothing but good luck with them. :-)

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, i'm using LSI in my myth machine

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DanPhilpott:

Sounds like a nice Myth system.

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EnderTheThird:

Be careful with MSI mobo's. My ethernet port is a real bastard on my one mobo. have to keep manually plugging/unplugging to get to reconnect if it loses connection (router resets)

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DanPhilpott:

directhex: What kind of storage you have?

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BULLE:

Silicon Image SIL 3112 host controller chip

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, what's the chip used on there?

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BULLE:

is what the syba thing uses i think

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, 8x samsung spinpoint 250gb

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fryfrog:

EnderTheThird: what chipset did it have?

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directhex:

BULLE, 3114

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fryfrog:

oh, duh

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DanPhilpott:

directhex: Nice.

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directhex:

BULLE, but it's sii, yes

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, on an lsi megaraid 300–8x

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fryfrog:

03:09.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02)

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fryfrog:

that is what i've got, they work fine

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DanPhilpott:

directhex: What's the noise like on that?

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fryfrog:

i think mine were rosewill cards

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EnderTheThird:

nVidia nForce 650i

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fryfrog:

$10 ish at newegg

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EnderTheThird:

SLI

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, better than if i had used hitachi drives!

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BULLE:

http://linux-ata.org/

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directhex:

04:0e.0 RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic MegaRAID (rev 07)

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DanPhilpott:

directhex|work: Yeah, I have a Hitachi and I need to set it to be quieter.

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, spinpoints are about the questest on the market, that's why i use them

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, that and they're cool – low heat is good for dense populations

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DanPhilpott:

directhex: Why put all that storage on the mythtv and not on a server?

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, it IS the server

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, mythtv is client-server, remember?

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, backend has tv cards and disks in it

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directhex:

AdapterNo FirmwareType CardType

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directhex:

00 40LD/8SPAN LSI MegaRAID SATA300–8X PCI-X

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DanPhilpott:

directhex: So you are running the backend with your disk and tuner and the frontend is all quiet and display?

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, that's the theory. in practice, the only working antenna socket in this (rented) house is next to the teevee

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, i justify using a machine that huge as a frontend with "hey, it's quieter than the xbox 360"

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, the long-term plan, certainly, is to move this thing into a wardrobe & use something like mac minis as frontends in bedroom & living room

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DanPhilpott:

directhex: I have the same problem, but I ran the cable to the basement anyway so I could put the cable modem next to the servers. I split it at the TV but you could do something like that without the split, have all the noisy hardware in another room.

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DanPhilpott:

Mmm.... Mac-Mini's. I have to keep stopping myself from ordering one of those.

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directhex:

DanPhilpott, i have to use 2 signal boosters in series just to get a (slightly unreliable) signal

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BULLE:

i have my frontend connected to the cable, and have it mount the servers filesystem so i can keep the server out of the livingroom

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BULLE:

works ok for me

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DanPhilpott:

directhex: I had to do something similar until they put in the digital cable. I still need to sell that old bit of hardware.

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EnderTheThird:

Mac Mini is VERY tempting. i just wish it carried DVI/HDMI

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directhex:

when i own a house, i'll have the feeds come into somewhere non-living-roomy

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, um, the mac mini only has dvi out

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DanPhilpott:

Does the MythTV have explicit configuration options for Mac Mini?

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, vga and s-video are via adapters

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EnderTheThird:

i could have sworn it had VGA? maybe i'm thinking of an older one. i'm way off, nvm then

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EnderTheThird:

if only i wasn't a cheapass then, haha

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directhex:

nice & cheap with educational discount

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venger:

has anyone devised a method of powering on your htpc via the same remote you use to control it with? It doesn't seem like any of the USB IR devices support Wake on USB from Full Power OFF. Everything i'm see is mostly from S3. This is the closet I can find: http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?http://www.o . . . eceiver.html # just wish there were more prebuilt solutions out th

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venger:

c/high/high end

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EnderTheThird:

I think the reason i went against Mac Mini was because I needed the 2nd computer to be the BE

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fryfrog:

you can get a little device that has an IR input and wires into the phsycail power switch on the system

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fryfrog:

then you just need to program a universal remote to use it

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venger:

right fryfrog, that link i posted is one, do you know of others?

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fryfrog:

i read about it some where, but the cost of it was not enough to over come getting up and pressing the power button

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directhex:

EnderTheThird, i'm still dying to hear reports of how well myth's new ps3 optimizations work. i doubt it would do as an HD frotend, but an interesting prospect for SD (cheaper than a mac mini, and multi-purpose)

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fryfrog:

maybe like $20–40ish

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BULLE:

venger: one solution is to put the box in hibernation instead of turning it off, and then use an usb hid capable device to wake it up ( eg certain usb remotes )

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DanPhilpott:

Full power off to on using a remote? X10 remote?

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BULLE:

directhex: mmm, ps3 cheaper then mac mini ? damn, here apple is expensive as hell

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venger:

oh its just a conveinance factor fry, i think i'm aggravated at the fact is isn't abundant

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BULLE:

well, ps3 is insanely expensive aswell

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directhex:

BULLE, Â£300 for the latest ps3 model – a mac mini starts at Â£400

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BULLE:

directhex: you live in the states ?

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BULLE:

directhex: he, here a ps3 is 599 euro

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BULLE:

directhex: mac mini roughly 520 euro

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BULLE:

for any americans, thats a ps3 for something close to 900 us dollars

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directhex:

BULLE, http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.aspx?sku=341572 versus http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=341232

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directhex:

closer to $700

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BULLE:

directhex: oh, thats a new sku, its that the crippled version ?

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directhex:

BULLE, aye. and it's not got as good a game selection as the 360. but it's still a cheap, low-noise frontend, that also does other things as a bonus

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BULLE:

directhex: ah, it went on sale here as of the 10th of october

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directhex:

right. BED FFS!

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BULLE:

directhex: yeah, i was at one point very intrested in getting a ps3 as my frontend, but after finding out that the linux side of things couldnt make use of the graphics chip, and only got a fb devices, i gave up

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BULLE:

directhex: night!

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banyan:

Has anyone in here gotten the ivtvdev X ivtv framebuffer driver working lately? I have x running but just with fbdev and it is pathetically slow.

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banyan:

And I don't see exactly which xorg source packages it is that I need in order to compile the x driver from source.

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EnderTheThird:

directhex: not sure about the PS3. I haven't caved in and bought one (yet)

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EnderTheThird:

directhex: tempting for Blu-Ray though. i have a 65" 1080p set, it'd be nice to play HD DVD *and* BR

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: im just waiting, until the market decides if BR or hd-dvd is the way to go

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EnderTheThird:

yeah. i caved in for the HD DVD 360 add-on a year ago (i got a bonus at work... and i'm weak)

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: and with all the incompability with BR players and discs etc, i stay away for now

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EnderTheThird:

looks incredible though

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: i can imagine

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BULLE:

if i had to buy anything, i would go for hd-dvd today i think

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EnderTheThird:

bulle: i hear you on that one. Sony pisses me off with their DRM

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: oh, its not just the drm

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EnderTheThird:

bulle: you seem to hear much less about compatibility woes with HD DVD, but maybe that's just me

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: its also so that the first generation of BlueRay players doesnt support lots of interactivity features etc, so if you insert new discs in them, you get all types of wierd results, in most cases you get to see the movie, but nothing more, in some cases the whole thing just locks upö

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: nah, i think you are right there, hd-dvd came out with a finalized spec when the hardware started to sell, and have kept to that spec afaik

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BULLE:

i guess a ps3 is a good buy, in the sense that it will most likely be updated by sony so it is compatible with new parts of the spec

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EnderTheThird:

bulle: yeah, and it's cheap. but even so, that's tough to swallow for that much $

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: yeah, i dont think its cheap ( the ps3 that is ) its double the price of an xbox360 here

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: and, with the uncertainty of wich format will eventualy take over, i dont see any reason to buy one, just yet

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: hmm, you can use that hd-dvd drive on a normal pc aswell, right ? ( the xbox 360 one ) ?

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EnderTheThird:

bulle: with a little trickery, yeah

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EnderTheThird:

you think SATA 150 or 300 would make a huge difference in performance for MythTV?

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clever`rev:

depends on if you want to record 20 channels at once id think

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clever`rev:

so far every drive ive tried is able to handle mythtv easily

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EnderTheThird:

right now, it's 2. at most it would be 4

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clever`rev:

my problems lay in the cpu

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EnderTheThird:

and at most, 2–3 FE's at once

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clever`rev:

but ive been only recording 1 and playing 1–2

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clever`rev:

im the only one here that uses mythtv

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EnderTheThird:

ha

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clever`rev:

my dad doesnt like it because of the random breakup's in quality

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clever`rev:

because of the damn frame grabber

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EnderTheThird:

i'll get that occasionally with HD. i can never tell if it's the broadcast or the recording

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EnderTheThird:

gets really blocky with "chirpy" audio or something every now and then

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clever`rev:

my problem is running out of audio buffers

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clever`rev:

causing the video to jump and audio to get scrambled

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clever`rev:

the pc cant play&record

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clever`rev:

so livetv wont work either

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clever`rev:

but it can stream and record

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EnderTheThird:

what are the specs?

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clever`rev:

1.6ghz cpu

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clever`rev:

512mb ram

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EnderTheThird:

SD?

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clever`rev:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

what type of CPU and RAM?

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EnderTheThird:

err, FSB, i mean

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** clever`rev checks lshw **

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clever`rev:

product: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz

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clever`rev:

i think the fsb is 100mhz

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EnderTheThird:

1000, you mean?

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kormoc:

must be a penitum 1 if it's a 100 mhz bus

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clever`rev:

the speed in the bios is 100

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clever`rev:

with a 15 multiplier

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clever`rev:

making it 1500(1.5ghz)

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clever`rev:

not shure what the fsb is

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kormoc:

clever`rev, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4

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clever`rev:

*reads*

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kormoc:

notice where it says the FSB is between 400 and 1066

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clever`rev:

how would i check the fsb then?

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kormoc:

other then in the bios, I don't know of a easy way in linux

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clever`rev:

dont think the bios would show it either all i saw in the speed related area was the speed thing(100) and the multiplier(15)

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EnderTheThird:

it's probably a 400 MHz FSB

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EnderTheThird:

I think they jumped to 800 MHz after they got into 2+ GHz

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clever`rev:

which i suspect can be used to overclock it

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kormoc:

that's the cpu clock, not the FSB clock

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clever`rev:

cpu MHz : 1513.699

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clever`rev:

(proc/cpuinfo)

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banyan:

Any hints re: how to get the ivtv x framebuffer driver to compile?

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clever`rev:

i can see the cache sizes but not shure if they matter much

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clever`rev:

caching might be shut off for the affected chunk of ram because an external source is writing it without clearing the cache

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BULLE:

clever`rev: if its a p4, and has 100mhz fsb, then its a quad pumped fsb, so its running at an effective rate of 400mhz

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clever`rev:

BULLE: i was guessing at the fsb

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BULLE:

clever`rev: it was a good guess

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clever`rev:

:)

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EnderTheThird:

WD 750GB HDD with 16MB Cache = $190 shipped. Oh Newegg, you kill my wallet, but you do it so gently

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Dr_willis:

hmm.. seen 500gbs on sale for $99

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Dr_willis:

whats the price of the 1tb's ? :)

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EnderTheThird:

$340 or so for 1TB

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BULLE:

300ish for 1tb disks

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EnderTheThird:

500GB has a nice bang for the buck

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BULLE:

im waiting for those 1tb discs to come down in price, and then i will buy a new raid5 array

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EnderTheThird:

2 500's for $200, heh

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EnderTheThird:

LVM 2x500 + 1x300 = 1.3TB of recording goodness

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EnderTheThird:

I wouldn't need to buy TV show DVD sets anymore. i could just keep them recorded without even needing to transcode

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: you fill that space pretty quickly

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BULLE:

EnderTheThird: atleast if you dont transcode

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BULLE:

even with transcoding, you will get it full, in time

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

especially cause i only record HD, heh

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clever`rev:

i cant record hd atm

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clever`rev:

cant even firewire record sd

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clever`rev:

ive got the firewire card but not the box

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EnderTheThird:

HDHomeRun is awesome for HD recordings

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EnderTheThird:

dual tuner, ~$160 (when i got it 4 months ago), external and connects to your router via ethernet so it doesn't hog up PCI slots

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EnderTheThird:

that's ClearQAM only though

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clever`rev:

i suspect my box can receive qam

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clever`rev:

i was in one of the debuging features and saw it mention qam a few time

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clever`rev:

s

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EnderTheThird:

it's a cable-supplied box?

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clever`rev:

company supplied

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EnderTheThird:

QAM is just how they send all network channels (req'd to)

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clever`rev:

one cames with the service(free)

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clever`rev:

the 2nd we own

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clever`rev:

3rd we rent

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clever`rev:

trying to return the 3rd but its complex

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clever`rev:

we are paying for a special channel package

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clever`rev:

which no longer exists

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EnderTheThird:

ah

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clever`rev:

to make any changes would raise the prise:P

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EnderTheThird:

i miss digital cable a little bit, but the quality difference wasn't all that great for most channels

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EnderTheThird:

they all look like hell blown up to 65" unless they're HD anyway

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clever`rev:

aslong as we dont mess with our channel choice we keep the deal

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clever`rev:

also half the channels the box gets are plain analog

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clever`rev:

which my bttv card could record on its own(but the tuner is poor)

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clever`rev:

and that wouldnt fix the cpu load

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EnderTheThird:

yeah. i have a Hauppauge PVR 500 collecting dust until I can get my friends to go splitsies on the cable with me if I set up an FE in their apt

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EnderTheThird:

just waiting on the cpu to do so

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clever`rev:

it would be easy to run a ethernet cable to my neighbors

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clever`rev:

and give them fe's

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clever`rev:

then you have 3 houses paying for 1 cable

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clever`rev:

but id need to upgrade the hdd's and tuners some before they would even come close to wanting it:P

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EnderTheThird:

yeah. i told them it's not worth $32/mo for standard cable to me, but if we split it then they save $5/mo and I save $10/mo

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EnderTheThird:

$10 compared to what i pay now, not what I *would* pay if i got standard cable, heh

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EnderTheThird:

yeah. I have a dual core for my BE/FE now, so it can def. handle everything

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EnderTheThird:

they can only do SD anyway

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clever`rev:

spliting the cable cost and sharing fe's with your neighbors would be easy

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clever`rev:

butthe company might not like you sharign the feed between buildings

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clever`rev:

it borders on using a plain spliter to give free cable to the neighbors

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Hilikus_:

hey guys, where can i get info about the xmltv format? i need to know what this line means

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Hilikus_:

<schedule program='EP002070020219' station='17406' time='2007-10–14T23:00:

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Hilikus_:

00Z' duration='PT05H00M'/>

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Hilikus_:

hows the duration encoded?

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clever`rev:

looks like its 5hours long

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Hilikus_:

whats PT?

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clever`rev:

no idea

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clever`rev:

but you havent wondered what the Z in the time is for either:P

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clever`rev:

it could be a timezone though

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clever`rev:

dont see why though

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EnderTheThird:

if they gave me a way to do with my cable what I do with it with MythTV, then I wouldn't need to do it. but their cable boxes suck, have limited storage, and don't let me share recordings

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EnderTheThird:

and cost $18/mo. for an HD DVR. = ripoff

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momelod:

wondering if anyone can offer some advise. My mythfrontend plays video poorly.. when i play recordings in vlc they play smoother. What can i change in mythfrontend so that performase is as smooth as other media players

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EnderTheThird:

momelod: are you using deinterlace?

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clever`rev:

my uncle has the box with a pvr in it

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clever`rev:

but i dont beleive he can watch recordings even in a diff room(sharing between boxes)

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momelod:

EnderTheThird: i have tried with it on and off, with no visibal difference

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EnderTheThird:

clever`rev: i don't think any cable company DVRs allow that

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momelod:

i just cant figure out why vlc can play things fine, but the native myth player seems lagged

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clever`rev:

yeah:(

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clever`rev:

EnderTheThird: but mythtv can easily do it

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clever`rev:

and theres no fee per FE

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momelod:

can i change myth so that it plays recording using vlc instead?

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EnderTheThird:

momelod: have you checked cpu usage while watching in mythtv and compared it to vlc?

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clever`rev:

other then the power bill

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EnderTheThird:

momelod: i know you can for video files. i'm not sure about for recordings

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momelod:

hrmm

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clever`rev:

i had a problem awhile back

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EnderTheThird:

clever`rev: amen to that! even with the increased equipment costs, my MythTV setup pays for itself in about 1 – 1.5 years

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clever`rev:

where mythtv ate insane ammounts of cpu power

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momelod:

ill have to check the cpu usage when i get home, but from memory i think the cpu was not overloaded

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clever`rev:

it was set to deinterlace using bob

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clever`rev:

which made X eat up all the cpu power

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clever`rev:

EnderTheThird: i built mythtv ontop of systems i allready owned

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clever`rev:

it didnt cost me a cent to use until sept(when datadirect shutdown)

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clever`rev:

not even hardware/setup costs

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momelod:

EnderTheThird: for discussion sake (and since i dont have access to my box) why would the pu usage be higher in mythtv then in vlc playing the same file?

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EnderTheThird:

clever`rev: same here, until i had to upgrade to let my old cpu be the FE/BE. 2.8GHz P4 wasn't handling everything too well. Other than that I had to get tuners, cpu, and mobo

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clever`rev:

.

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clever`rev:

im using the frame grabber my uncle gave me a few years ago

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clever`rev:

which my dad said id never find linux drivers for

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EnderTheThird:

momelod: no idea, just worth comparing to make sure that it is indeed maxing your CPU and not some other hiccup in the system

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clever`rev:

ubuntu allready had the kernel module and i spent a week finding that out and then finding a v4l prog

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EnderTheThird:

ha

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clever`rev:

was harder to find a xp driver the the damn thing

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clever`rev:

the cd is win98 only

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EnderTheThird:

i just can't wait till i get a house. that shit is gonna be so geeked out!

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clever`rev:

lol:)

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clever`rev:

i can control a lpt ports lines(8 of them easily)

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EnderTheThird:

options are limited with a 1 bdr apt on a college budget

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clever`rev:

with some hardware i will be able to control relays that switch lights on/off

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clever`rev:

add some lirc receivers and you now have a remote to control any light in the house

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clever`rev:

assuming lircd can share the receiver with several clients you can also control mythtv from the same remote

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clever`rev:

never let go of the remote again:P

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EnderTheThird:

haha

[01:52:13]

EnderTheThird:

you could get a Nokia N800

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clever`rev:

i have a few cells

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clever`rev:

nokia 5190

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clever`rev:

treo 650(ssh client can do allmost anything with linux

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clever`rev:

and bluetooth gives it ip access to linux without paying)

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clever`rev:

the linux could then ip forward/nat it to the lan which forwards to the web

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EnderTheThird:

n800 is a tablet, not a phone

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clever`rev:

ahh

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clever`rev:

can you install a custom os into the n800?

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clever`rev:

put linux and mythtv right into the tablet?

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EnderTheThird:

not sure. i think it runs a version of linux anyway

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clever`rev:

just thinking instead of using it as a remote

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clever`rev:

use mythtv right on it

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EnderTheThird:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800

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EnderTheThird:

not sure how much the cpu could handle without transcoding to a lower res before sending it to the tablet

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clever`rev:

ive played with mplayer thru X11 forwarding

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clever`rev:

mplayer ran on theP4 which was able to transcode it

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clever`rev:

then it sent practicaly raw video over the lan to the weaker pc

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clever`rev:

which displayed it with surprising quality/speed

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clever`rev:

but it ate 6mb/sec of the lan speed:P

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DanPhilpott:

This may be out of scope for a MythTV channel but in Mythbuntu you have to enter a password to get to the configuration area, and it's not accepting the the main user account password.

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momelod:

i've used ncat to do the same thing

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clever`rev:

i tryed the same in mythtv but it refused to stream the video over using Ximage's

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clever`rev:

but everything else in the mythfrontend ui works thru forwarding

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clever`rev:

i can delete and change schedules easily thru it on my cf25(which doesnt have the res/cpu/ram to use mythweb)

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clever`rev:

the ui of the fe is made for small screens

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clever`rev:

the cf25 doesnt even have a gui browser atm ive been leeching the firefox off another laptop(thru x11 forwarding)

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EnderTheThird:

very small tablet anyway. not sure you'd want to watch it on there

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clever`rev:

but its ok if you dont have a tv in the laundry room

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clever`rev:

a semi good portable frontend

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GreyFoxx:

\

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clever`rev:

wtf

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EnderTheThird:

stop skirting around it. you want to watch tv while you're on the john

[02:00:50]

clever`rev:

mythtv is recording a channel

[02:01:03]

clever`rev:

the display button of the tv(using eit i think) says naruto(same as mythtv)

[02:01:10]

clever`rev:

cable box guide says inuyasha

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clever`rev:

guide for that channel has been messed up recently

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clever`rev:

not shure whats right atm since its still comercial

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clever`rev:

EnderTheThird: that also works:P

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clever`rev:

you could also use a laptop but its harder to watch while moving it

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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clever`rev:

my laptop was a FE

[02:02:26]

clever`rev:

but the lcd panel is cracked now

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clever`rev:

and the tvout is unstable and poor quality

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EnderTheThird:

i'm trying to get my Logitech Harmony 880 set up for my living room. hard to do that cause you need Windows to set it up, but I don't have Windows!

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EnderTheThird:

and I can't get the internet connection and USB to play nicely with my VirtualBox VMs

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clever`rev:

i have winblows on 3 systems

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clever`rev:

2 of which are my dads

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnderTheThird: Have you tried using software with Wine?

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clever`rev:

1 of those his work pc

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clever`rev:

ive recently 'fixed' my cracked lcd panel

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clever`rev:

im just forwarding every X prog from that box to the 'new' laptop

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EnderTheThird:

j-e-f-f-a: yeah. i can't get the internet or USB working with Wine either. the software installs, but it requires both of those connections

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clever`rev:

which has about 10% of the cpu power

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EnderTheThird:

ha

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EnderTheThird:

nice hack

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clever`rev:

internet thru wine would be simple

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clever`rev:

but usb thru wine is more complex

[02:05:05]

clever`rev:

the prog may need deep driver level access to the usb

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EnderTheThird:

if you know any howto's for the internet/wine, by all means link me

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clever`rev:

which wine doesnt give

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clever`rev:

thats more in the area of ndiswrapper

[02:05:33]

clever`rev:

but it would need a custom addon to wine id think

[02:06:26]

EnderTheThird:

http://melunkodev.blogspot.com/2007/09/mythtv-at-nokia-n800.html an FE for that n800

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clever`rev:

yeah that is a tiny tablet

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clever`rev:

id call that a pda

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Hilikus_:

whats the difference between making bad channels not show in the guide and making good channels be favourite and use show favourites only?

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EnderTheThird:

if they'd get Linux running on the Dell X50, I wouldn't need an n800

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clever`rev:

and my treo 650(with its ssh client i mentioned before) is also usable to control any cli prog on linux

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clever`rev:

Hilikus_: if you delete bad channels from your guide source(schedules direct) your mythfilldb will go faster

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clever`rev:

rescheduling may also go faster

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clever`rev:

less channels means less to go thru for that stuff

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clever`rev:

(if you fullu delete the channels from the system)

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EnderTheThird:

how often do you use your treo for ssh tasks though, and for what tasks?

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banyan:

And I don't see exactly which xorg source packages it is that I need in order to compile the x driver from source.

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clever`rev:

EnderTheThird: mostly to check on mythtv's free space and answer short irc questions when im not home

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clever`rev:

when i cant get online with the laptop

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clever`rev:

its a easy way to get on irc when not near wifi/dialup

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EnderTheThird:

i just set up ssh for the lobby computer here so i can admin from home, but i can't think of that many cases in which i'd need to

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clever`rev:

and my pc sms'es my phone when my name is said on irc

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EnderTheThird:

lol, you have me outgeeked so much it's ridiculous

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clever`rev:

lol

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clever`rev:

half the noobs i know on irc run to me for pc help

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clever`rev:

all day long:P

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clever`rev:

!age

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clever`rev:

I am 20.55546 years old. (I'll be 21 in 23wks 2days 2hrs 47mins 14secs.)

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EnderTheThird:

i try not to delve too deep into my PC. i enjoy it, but i still like to spend more time enjoying it than admining and geeking it out

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clever`rev:

i was haxing the kernel drivers on my cf25 laptop

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clever`rev:

a bug in the bios causes the irq to not show up for the cardbus(pcmcia) slots

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EnderTheThird:

i'm 22. i figure the main reason i'm pre-med is so i can pay for my expensive tastes like this, heh

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clever`rev:

so i was trying to make my wireless driver work without irq's

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clever`rev:

i dont have a job

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clever`rev:

and i still havent finished grade 11

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clever`rev:

brb

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banyan:

I was pre-med, but I took my prozac about 20 minutes ago.

[02:15:18]

EnderTheThird:

bah dum psshh!

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banyan:

yeah.

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banyan:

I am not enjoying my experience in trying to get the x thingy for the ivtv framebuffer running, by the way.

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clever`rev:

back

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clever`rev:

the cf-25 is pretty solid

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banyan:

Can't seem to locate the proper xorg packages that let me compile the damn thing. Is there a specific ivtv channel?

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clever`rev:

i droped part of the frame earlyer today

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clever`rev:

didnt get damaged a bit

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clever`rev:

but dad was worried about the floor:P

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banyan:

that's dads for ya.

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clever`rev:

the laptop is nearly made of steel:P

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banyan:

with the worrying and the working and the investing and the functional alcoholism, but I digress.

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clever`rev:

' magnesium alloy'

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clever`rev:

he isnt an alcoholic:P

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clever`rev:

he does drink sometimes but i know people much worse:P

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clever`rev:

but he is more fun when drunk some:P

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banyan:

I'm kidding. I was talking about me.

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banyan:

:-)

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clever`rev:

lol

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banyan:

and I'm not even a dad, though I do have a job, a house and a cat.

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clever`rev:

right now im still stuck using a 10mbit ethernet card on my cf-25

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banyan:

but not an ivtv x driver that'll compile. pththt.

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clever`rev:

i think a bios upgrade would fix everything but there's 3 diff cf-25 models

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banyan:

That's a toshiba isn't it?

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clever`rev:

panasonic

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banyan:

Usually... usually... I think the bios upgrade things are good at detecting that they're compatible with the model of computer you're applying them to.

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clever`rev:

i beleive the models are cf-25 cf-25 mkii and cf-25 mkiii

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clever`rev:

no idea which i have

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clever`rev:

but i have 2 nearly identical cf-25's

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clever`rev:

this one has ess sound and chips&tech video

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clever`rev:

the other has yahama sound and neomagic video and a diff UI to the bios for asking for the pw

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clever`rev:

it wont boot without the pw so i cant so much else then hold paper down:P

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clever`rev:

and charge the batery for use in the other

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Toxicity999:

Alright, running lighttpd with mythweb, trying to stream via asx turns up a 404, any thoughts? Not a lighttpd master, more used to apache.

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banyan:

is there no way to reset that password?

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clever`rev:

the batery is soldered on

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clever`rev:

and i havent gotten arround to desoldering it for 30mins

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clever`rev:

shorting it out for a few seconds causes a crc error but it doesnt clear the pw

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clever`rev:

the one im one now had a pw just on bios config

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clever`rev:

i cleared that by booting linux and messing with /dev/nvram

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banyan:

so you can't even get that other one to boot off cd?

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clever`rev:

no cd drive

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clever`rev:

and it wont boot off anything till i give a correct pw

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EnderTheThird:

$245 for that Nokia N800 at buy.com by the way

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clever`rev:

i still dont have a job:P

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EnderTheThird:

Well there's your reason to get one, haha

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clever`rev:

lol

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banyan:

is the nokia n800 the portable phone / PDA linux thingy?

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clever`rev:

from the wiki page it looks about the size of a 5$ bill

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clever`rev:

so id call it a pda

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clever`rev:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N800

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EnderTheThird:

banyan: you might be thinking of the openmoko

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EnderTheThird:

and you bring up a good point. why buy the n800 when the openmoko will be out soon?

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banyan:

mebbe.

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EnderTheThird:

http://www.openmoko.com/ very nice

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Agrajag-:

it would be nice if the software actually worked

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EnderTheThird:

agrajag-: for which product?

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Agrajag-:

EnderTheThird: neo1973

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EnderTheThird:

agrajag-: it's still only the developer version, not meant for retail yet. i won't get until at least next year, after people have had some time to mature the software

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Agrajag-:

i know. buy you said "very nice", implying now, but it's not very nice yet :)

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EnderTheThird:

oh picky picky

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Agrajag-:

for an end user anyway

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EnderTheThird:

agreed. i definitely wouldn't recommend it to anyone quite yet

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Agrajag-:

but yeah it has the potential to be totally awesome, i definitely plan to get one sooner or later

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EnderTheThird:

i'm a little upset i extended my VZW plan 2 years back in july. i couldn't wait until the end of the year because my phone was totally hosed

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clever`rev:

what kind of cpu does an iphone have?

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clever`rev:

http://www.hackaday.com/2007/08/26/free-your-iphone/ has info on haxing the iphone to get custom software on it

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momelod:

clever`rev can u get linux on it?

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clever`rev:

using that hack you probly can

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momelod:

sick!

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momelod:

im waiting for openmoko tho

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EnderTheThird:

with how locked down the iphone is, i could never get one

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momelod:

the iphone killer

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clever`rev:

read the page to see how open you cna make it

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EnderTheThird:

the only question that remains is whether or not the openmoko will have enough popularity to gain support for the software it needs

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EnderTheThird:

if enough people latch onto it, it will be incredible in less than a year

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momelod:

i have more faith in opensource then closed source

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EnderTheThird:

true

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momelod:

i think the openmoko will kickass

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EnderTheThird:

when it starts open source like that, definitely

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momelod:

once the software catches up

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clever`rev:

having the hardware open also would be usefull

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EnderTheThird:

look at the n800: not a hugely popular device, but still plenty of software out there because it's linux based

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momelod:

the fact that its open opens so many posibilities

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EnderTheThird:

yep

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momelod:

but i have seen the itouch.. wow its sick

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momelod:

havent seen the iphone yet

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EnderTheThird:

i'm out. later

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momelod:

peace Ender

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Hilikus_:

can i flag a channel as favourite from mythweb?

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banyan:

I think the 770 is a linux device as well.

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venger:

anyone got a suggest for a IR keyboard and IR receiver, perhaps one which could be used with lirc to also receive from an existing remote? or i'm thinking about just getting the MCE keyboard, remote and receiver

[03:20:43]

banyan:

but is the nokia n800 an actual phone? it seems to be saying you need to have a separate bluetooth phone.

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banyan:

which sounds lame.

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xris:

banyan: it's not a phone at all, it's a UMPC

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banyan:

an RFTLD?

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banyan:

a CLTST?

[03:25:53]

banyan:

a cute little touch screen tablet?

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banyan:

really fricking tiny linux device?

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banyan:

who makes up these acronyms and then expects people to know what they are... UMPC...

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banyan:

I like konqueror more than firefox I think.

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Yggdrasil:

can somone help me figure out how to clean the old guide data

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Yggdrasil:

allegedly thats what i have to do

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robbins876:

mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates

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mchou:

wow, interesting. this openmoko looks interesting

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mchou:

a "better" iphone.....

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Yggdrasil:

robbins876 me ?

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mchou:

sigh....still need to buy get gps maps from somewhere though......

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mchou:

that's not all that cool.

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robbins876:

Yggdrasil, yes

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bsdfox:

anyone using the tickless system setting in the kernel?

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banyan:

I am not enjoying my experience in trying to get the x thingy for the ivtv framebuffer running.

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banyan:

Can't seem to locate the proper xorg packages that let me compile the damn thing. Is there a specific ivtv channel?

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robbins876:

you know what's a good movie? teenwolf.

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xris:

robbins876: I vote for "cave man"

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robbins876:

that's a movie?

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xris:

with Ringo Star

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xris:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082146/

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xris:

hillarious

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robbins876:

xris, that got a 5.2...suprisingly high for imdb

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xris:

robbins876: it's hillarious. one of my favorite movies

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rmf_:

does anyone know where i can find a command reference for mythtv (or tell me if there is a command to make the frontend minimize)

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sphery:

rmf_: No command to minimize the frontend... That's the WM's responsibility.

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Cyrexion:

hey guys, is it possible to specify a capture card when scheduling a recording via mythweb?

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xris:

Cyrexion: I know you can in trunk... I don't think that feature was even added to mythbackend until after .20 was released

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pretender:

how do you mark cut points when editing recordings in mythtv

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sslashes:

when using irxevent (for an external program), does anyone know the config = Key setting for Plus and Minus keys?

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siXy:

sslashes: look in your lirc.conf

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mzb_d800:

sslashes: totally depends on your remote + setup

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mzb_d800:

(afaik)

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teemer:

mzb_d800 is right of course

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teemer:

so's siXy. look in the lircd.conf file to find out what the + & – keys are called. not hard to work out once you know where to look

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mzb_d800:

teemer: thx

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mzb_d800:

can be more than that, though

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mzb_d800:

(at worst case)

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teemer:

like you say it depends on the remote

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mzb_d800:

might have to examine source

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mzb_d800:

yes, thx ;)

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teemer:

if it appears to the computer as a human input device as some do, it could be more tricky IIRC

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mzb_d800:

then, you might be lucky and have the whole thing handled by dev/input .... which is another story

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mzb_d800:

yep

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teemer:

lirc is messy. funny how this channel became a surrogate #lirc ;)

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

docs are few and far between

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mzb_d800:

however, I will say (I'm currently digging through this myself)

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directhex|work:

lirc is vile. i wish it would just die

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mzb_d800:

that the current approach often seems to involve either dev/input for lirc, or NO lirc and and kbd entry in xorg.conf

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directhex|work:

there's no replacement yet though

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mzb_d800:

the conflicting documentation between the transition is probably the worst (apart from the lack of it)

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siXy:

would be lovely if more IR remotes used the input layer instead of lirc – much more reponsive UI – but thats a reasonable amount of work

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mzb_d800:

decent docs would help that

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quicksilver:

although lirc does the have virtue of being a configurable key -> command mapping layer :)

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mzb_d800:

I agree

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mzb_d800:

s/command/application command/

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siXy:

quicksilver: that is true. and if things like key repeat checking were less horrid then maybe i woulndt mind it so much

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mzb_d800:

ie: "per" application

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mzb_d800:

I've been having issues with both my mythboxen:

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mzb_d800:

the 1st uses a dvb-usb box ... and seems to have only basic support (by using kbd|evdev in X)

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mzb_d800:

but the v4l-dvb code is actually flawed (afaik) and the checksum test is incorrect

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mzb_d800:

the 2nd uses a pixelview and has different problems

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mzb_d800:

the delay in my ability to fix these (apart from my own ignorance|stupidity) is directly related to:

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siXy:

mzb_d800: why not just get some cheap pci LR6650 cards?

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mzb_d800:

1. the amount of script-kiddies documenting their magic solutions

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siXy:

they are very cheap and work quite reliably, esp with -fixes

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mzb_d800:

siXy: NO

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mzb_d800:

2. the poor documentation within the code involved

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mzb_d800:

3. the poor documentation on the sites publishing the code

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mzb_d800:

none of which (of course) is (directly) mythtv's problem

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mzb_d800:

siXy: I already have working devices, that do the job they're designed for. I'm not going to spend more $ just because of the reasons ^^ (ie. this is a home system, not a production one ... and I'm not that rich OR LAZY!)

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mzb_d800:

might be the beer talking, but I really don't like the trend I've seen in this # involving advice suggesting "pay $ to upgrade to device X in order to avoid problems" ... seems like the advice from a newly (<5 yrs) converted M$ user

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mzb_d800:

please forgive my rant if it doesn't apply

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siXy:

mzb_d800: or in this case a longterm unix admin who feels that sometimes his time is worth more than his money

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mzb_d800:

right, so you get paid to get a result

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mzb_d800:

I get "paid" to get a result without spending $

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mzb_d800:

where time is (almost) no object

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mzb_d800:

please don't feel that I'm directing ALL my angst in your direction ;)

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siXy:

if time is almost no object thats great :) sadly that is not the case for me

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mzb_d800:

I understand

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siXy:

mzb_d800: no worries i have a think skin

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mzb_d800:

:)

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siXy:

*thick

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mzb_d800:

don't forget though, that this "replace if doesn't work" attitude is ONE of the reasons why docs don't exist for "harder" hardware

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mzb_d800:

despite software solutions ALREADY existing

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mzb_d800:

which is why I protest :|

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siXy:

mzb_d800: yeah i sympathise with that frustration – it would be great if my cmi 8878 card worked properly in linux – it has such a nice sound

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mzb_d800:

ie: result for remote on mythboxen (for $0) = blowjobs for life ;)

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mzb_d800:

strange, though I had one of those cards somewhere... can't for the life of me think which machine(s) it's in

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siXy:

hmm. stage 1 = fix remote. stage 2 = ????. stage 3 = blowjobs. trying to fit something in the ???? but havent worked out what it might be yet

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mzb_d800:

stage 2 = lie back and let woman feel the buttons ;)

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siXy:

ah :)

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mzb_d800:

might take a couple of months for the eyes to come back from watching the screen, though ;)

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mzb_d800:

(I can wait ... like I said .... time is not that much of an object ;)

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mzb_d800:

result + <$

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mzb_d800:

I completely agree with you ... if I was being paid to do this job, I'd replace ALL the hardware

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mzb_d800:

but for a couple of machines made out of scrap (soldering irons and hacksaws involved;), and < au$50 is "extra parts" (usb-dvb box for au$20 delivered) it's well and truly worth my while to figure out the problems involved when considering the alternative (cost)

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mzb_d800:

s/au$50 is "extra parts"/au$50 in "extra parts"/

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mzb_d800:

OT: I'll also add that my aim for "The blowjob" (sic), due to the lack of docs (or documented code) takes time away from the projects that _I_ publish|develop|support

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mzb_d800:

hence my general disgust re the issue

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siXy: /window r

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Solv:

I've been trying to find out whether or not mythtv under yellowdog linux on the ps3 is a viable option...but there doesn't seem to be much on the net...anyone know what the major pitfalls are about trying to make this work?

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|Torg|:

Solv: hardware, what do yo plan on running it on?

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Solv:

I was under the impression that if you could get linux working, then any hardware supported by the kernel would run fine

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|Torg|:

the would run fine part is wrong

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Solv:

but does it have something to do with being PPC and not intel?

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Solv:

or amd of cours

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