Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, October 8th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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laga:

ah

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docjay:

exit

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laga:

docjay: right-click and "exit"

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markl_:

ctrl+alt+backspace is my favorite

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docjay:

yep, exit did it.. :)

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markl_:

laga: did you see that asus motherboard with linux built in?

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markl_:

need to get gutsy+myth on that thing

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markl_:

instead of "SplashTop", whatever TF that is

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robbins876:

When i try to watch livetv i just get a pink pattern...what's goign on?

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daedalus8:

Perhaps it's trying to tell you something about your latent sexual preferences?

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daedalus8:

just kidding. Unfortunately, I have no clue.

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docjay:

the mythfilldatabase window should disappear on it own right?

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jarle_:

docjay: yeah, when its finished...

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markl_:

:( waah the cheapie $25 mce remote doesn't let me program on/off/volume

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markl_:

no biggie i guess

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Zathraz:

Hi. I guess I overlooked this on the wiki, but is it possible to play a music CD with MythTV (0.20) with Ripping it first? (direct play with for instance workbone or cdtools )

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Zathraz:

*without

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XpertKnobTwiddlr:

which nvidia PCIe card should I buy for HDTV using myth?

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docjay:

under setup and input connections, it lists my card and says (television) --> (none) & then (compoisite1) --> (none)

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docjay:

do I have to configure something here just to get OTA hooked up to the card or am I missing a big step?

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docjay:

anyone?

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Zathraz:

what is OTA?

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XpertKnobTwiddlr:

Zathraz: OTA = Over The Air

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Zathraz:

docjay, first make sure the card is working ok without mythtv

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Zathraz:

but that is more of a general rule. Then you have to 'add' the card to mythtv

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JoeyJoeJo:

my recordings are showing up as being 3+ hours long when they're only 30 minutes.. also commercial flagging fails.. what causes this?

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mzb_d800:

hi all ... for some reason I haven't had the tables created for me in the database for mythmusic ... the docs talk about metadata.sql but I'm unable to find it .. any suggestions?

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docjay:

Zathraz – the card DOES work, so I'm okay there... mythtv sees it and I've added a source, but when I tell it to scan for channels, it scans but it doesn't find anything

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Zathraz:

maybe use xawtv and do a scan? Or manually add frequencies through MythWeb?

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docjay:

what is xawtv?

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Zathraz:

a tvwatch app not directly related to Myth with scan option

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Zathraz:

also make sure that mythtv has rights to the device

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Zathraz:

as an alternative run mythfrontend with verbose logging and check that log besides syslog and messages

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docjay:

k, also wondering my myfilldatabase windows never closes by itself.. I have a schedules direct account, could it be waiting to finish talking to thier servers?

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Zathraz:

"myfilldatabase windows" ? I run it as a cronjob commandline. No window there....

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mzb_d800:

docjay: run mythfrontend | mythtv-setup from a terminal so that you can alt-tab back to the terminal to see what's happening

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mzb_d800:

you'll probably find that the grabber needs extra info ... eg. username, pass, +other prefs

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mzb_d800:

can anyone tell me how to create the mythmusic database tables?

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markl_:

ok noob question here: how do I get myth to use the lirc codes now that irw is working?

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venger:

i finally get SPID sound work for aplay and then I use mythvideo internal player and watch a ripped dvd and have sound during the WB logo but from that point on I dont have any sound, any ideas?

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JoeyJoeJo:

mzb_d800: you could install phpmyadmin and try doing it like that.. I don't know of a command that just does it

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venger:

c/SPID/SPDIF

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JoeyJoeJo:

mark: you need a .lircrc file.. I think it goes in ~/.mythtv

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JoeyJoeJo:

my bad.. the file it just lircrc.. no periods

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mzb_d800:

JoeyJoeJo: I already have that ... I even have an old mythtv database with the tables in it ... and yes I could export the structure and import to new ... but I want to know why they haven't been created in the first place, and what creates them

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Zathraz:

mzb_d800, have you checked: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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JoeyJoeJo:

mzb_d800: I think (the keyword here is think) that if you build a brand new DB, the first time you run mythmusic it will create the tables.. but I'm only like 50% sure about that

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mzb_d800:

Zathraz: thanks, I already have a mythtv database ... just not the mythmusic tables

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mzb_d800:

JoeyJoeJo: hmm ...

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robbins876:

when i try to watch live tv in myth, i get a pink screen...audio is fine, but a pink screen for video...also, when i try to watch a video i get a a green screen, the same thing there, good audio, no video. When I run mythfrontend in terminal i see this error... http://pastebin.ca/729368

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Zathraz:

mzb_d800, maybe it is in the README etc. as supplied by the mythmusic plugin?

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mzb_d800:

nope

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JoeyJoeJo:

robbins876: do you have XvMC enabled?

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robbins876:

i have no idea

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robbins876:

how do i do that?

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robbins876:

i've turned it off in tv > playback settings

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robbins876:

but it still uses it

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JoeyJoeJo:

so you've turned XvMC off and you still get the weird video?

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robbins876:

yep

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robbins876:

just a pink screen

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JoeyJoeJo:

do you have the right drivers for your video card working?

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robbins876:

i believe so

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm guessing you have an nvidia card?

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robbins876:

how would i check? everything else works. even if i capture video from my tvcard and watch it in mplayer it works there, just not in myth

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robbins876:

yeah, i have an nvidia

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mzb_d800:

it appears that Debian postinst scripts run mythmusic-0-7-to-0–8.sql or mythmusic-0-8-to-0–9.sql

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mzb_d800:

but they don't exist

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JoeyJoeJo:

check in your xorg.conf file (usually at /etc/X11/xorg.conf) and see if under "device" that the driver says nvidia

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JoeyJoeJo:

robbins: also you can run the lsmod command and see if nvidia is in the list

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robbins876:

yes, it does

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JoeyJoeJo:

is nvidia listed when you run lsmod?

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robbins876:

yep

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JoeyJoeJo:

hmm.. I don't know then.. sorry

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Zathraz:

mzb_d800, running dpkg -S mythmusic does not provide any usefull info

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mzb_d800:

depends what you want to know ;)

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mzb_d800:

I've examined both the Debian package and the source

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mzb_d800:

neither seem to work

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venger:

mythvideo says a similar thing for 5 audio streams "Warning, audio codec 0x8f570d0 id(AC3) type (Audio) already open, leaving it alone" could this cause the loss of sound after the dvd title switch?

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robbins876:

i installed mythtv using the yum install mythtv-suite command, how can i undo that?

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mzb_d800:

ah ... it appears (so far) that it's looking for a local sqlserver

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mzb_d800:

(mine is remote)

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Zathraz:

mzb_d800, I am running MythTV on Debian with Debian packages from 0.16 to 0.20 fine

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mzb_d800:

yes, mine runs fine, too

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mzb_d800:

just mythmusic not working because tables don't exist

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mzb_d800:

s/fine/fine (almost)/

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Zathraz:

I have no issues but it is an system migrated from 0.15 to 0.20 with everything in between

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markl_:

ok so the MCE remote has buttons to go straight to live tv, to the guide, to the dvd menu

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markl_:

are these usable ?

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Zathraz:

depends on mappings markl_

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Zathraz:

you should define them in lirc config

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markl_:

right, my question is if it is even possible to map to these

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cww:

n00b question on the pchdtv HD-5500 card, can I _only_ receive HD signals with it? That is, since I have a STB, if I change the channel to a non-HD station, will I be able to view/recod it with teh HD-5500?

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Zathraz:

if irw or mode2 recognizes them: yes

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markl_:

cww: doubtful

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Zathraz:

I guess I overlooked this on the wiki, but is it possible to play a music CD with MythTV (0.20) with Ripping it first? (direct play with for instance workbone or cdtools )

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markl_:

Zathraz: ok cool, irw recognizes all of the buttons but only the navigation, ok, play/pause buttons seem to work

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cww:

markl_: yeah, kind of what I thought. tyvm

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mzb_d800:

stuff it ... exported structure from old database

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venger:

with mythvideo i have sound at the opening dvd logo and finally when the movie starts. No sound during previews. The biggest issue is I can't get it to play in english. movie is 300 copied to hd via dvd fab, so everything was brought over. Anyone dealt with this?

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robbins876:

when i try to watch live tv in myth, i get a pink screen...audio is fine, but a pink screen for video...also, when i try to watch a video i get a a green screen, the same thing there, good audio, no video. When I run mythfrontend in terminal i see this error... http://pastebin.ca/729368

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robbins876:

i can't believe nobody knows!

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docjay:

can someone tell me how I can start the myth frontend again from command line?

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robbins876:

mythfrontend

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docjay:

thanks

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robbins876:

np

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markl_:

robbins876: did you try mplayer or vlc

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robbins876:

mplayer works fine

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Travis|iMac:

I have my mythtv box connected to my TV with a 1/8" to RCA adapter for audio, there is a noticeable amount of buzzing while I am watching TV (even with computer volume all the way up) is there a way to reduce this?

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venger:

took me forever! mplayer wouldn't just take alang=en on the command line and play my ripped dvd in english, i had to update /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf. Its probably not worth my time trying to fix this in the mythvideo internal player

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Dr_willis:

Travis|iMac, try some better cables? dont crank the pc volume over say 75%. and dont crank the tv to the max either. :)

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robbins876:

found my problem

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robbins876:

the drivers i had installed from the livna repository were garbage

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robbins876:

i went ahead and installed the drivers from nvidia and everything is good to go

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robbins876:

sweet

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robbins876:

though i still need to get lirc up

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robbins876:

i hate that thing

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Toxicity999:

LIRC is pretty easy with a Windows MCE remote, surprisingly.

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Toxicity999:

Haven't ever had to use anything else, so little comparison, but it was an easy setup.

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venger:

i managed it with a hauppauge 150 remote and even created my own custom serial ir reciever based on this site: http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section . . . introduction

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venger:

granted i have went through and created and all encompassing lircrc file yet

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venger:

haven't*

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venger:

some of these issues take me an age to solve, tonight was spent getting a 300 dvd rip to play in english and via mythvideo, had to use mplayer

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Toxicity999:

I have enough scripts going to barely notice which Player I use

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Toxicity999:

Internal from SVN unstable seems to be locking up X occasionally at the beginning of the video though... So I've been using VLC/MPlayer more frequently.

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venger:

yea thats not good when its capable of locking things up

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Toxicity999:

most likely it's my build

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Toxicity999:

It's very easy to compile myth wrongly.

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drgeb:

I keep seeing this when edditing my mythtv backend server "card 1 is set to start on channel 3" how do I fix this ?

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keith4_:

if I want channels to be ordered by channel number when using on screen display, where do I set that?

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z1pp1ty:

anybody here running a mac backend?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think the backend compiles on osx

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z1pp1ty:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_ . . . .20.2_Status

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GreyFoxx:

Nifty must be one of the -fixes patches that went into 0.20.2

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keith4_:

fun

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keith4_:

with what tuners?

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GreyFoxx:

firewire and the network based ones (iptv and such)

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Cyrexion:

can someone explain to me what the "re-record" option is for? if I recorded a show on sunday and tuesday comes along (2 days later), I can re-record the sunday show on a tuesday?

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Cyrexion:

what if that show isn't airing on tuesday?

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keith4_:

how would you re-record something that isn't on?

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Cyrexion:

right

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venger:

anyone know of usb ir receiver cheaper than a USB-UIRT or Tira2 and preferably US based company ?

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Cyrexion:

streamzap

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Cyrexion:

$20 with remote...

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venger:

i'm showing 39.95

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Cyrexion:

hmm...

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keith4_:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/35

[04:06:11]

keith4_:

or try ebay

[04:06:20]

Cyrexion:

true

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clop:

any idea how i might get better antenna reception for an outdoor antenna? some shows come in perfectly, but others have blocky artifacts (hd signal degredation i guess)

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clop:

can i use an amplifier for an hd signal?

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venger:

i would imagine so since some indoor hd antennas such as the terk i have has an amp on it

[04:08:17]

venger:

i wouldn't assume a standard coaxial RF amp would work though, although i don't know that for a fact

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Netslayer:

I'm running XVMC on an nvidia driver, and about 15 minutes after starting HD playback the video turns blocky green, then mythfrontend freezes a bit after that. Any ideas?

[04:48:08]

cesman:

and the logs state?

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Netslayer:

XvMC: picture structure FRAME Video timing method: SGI OpenGL NVP: prebuffering pause then it locked 4 minutes later

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Netslayer:

3254 mythtv 15 0 270m 105m 33m S 99.4 42.8 6:27.20 mythfrontend.re

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Netslayer:

it's currently locked, it's using all my cpu

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone here know how to get Wine programs to use Ubuntu's network connection? I need it so I can set up my Logitech Harmony remote.

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opello:

so would today's woot work with myth/linux? :)

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xris:

opello: given that it's a brand new product ("woot launch"), probably not

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GreyFoxx:

Almost worth getting and just wait for the support

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Rommie:

GreyFoxx: How does one enable xrandr explicitly?

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xris:

heh

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Rommie:

GreyFoxx: I know you've told me before, but I can't remember, and google isn't helping too much

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** xris still wants lossless HD cutting **

[05:35:18]

xris:

then I could cut these planet earth recordings down by about 35 gigs

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drgeb:

very strange when I goto backend-menu to configure the card the screen gets stuck is there away to fix this issue ?

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opello:

xris: yeah, but i can dream :) maybe there was a previous version or something

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xris:

opello: doesn't help me much. my cable is encrypted. firewire is my best/only option

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Rommie:

Is there a known bug that causes mythtv to segfault immediately upon starting (before a window is even spawned)?

[05:41:24]

opello:

xris: that's a good point

[05:41:58]

opello:

or a decoder that would give you a transport stream and take a cablecard

[05:44:30]

xris:

opello: yeah, would love cablecard support

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xris:

though that would mean no mythtv.

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xris:

heh. piles of closed tickets today.

[05:46:59]

opello:

on the subject of mythtv :) any way to make mythweb not save the search?

[05:47:15]

xris:

you could kill the code where I store it in the session

[05:47:30]

opello:

but no happy "save last search" checkbox somewhere :/

[05:47:38]

xris:

nope

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xris:

it's automatic

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xris:

why would you want it to not save that?

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surillis:

hello everyone

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opello:

i don't really ever repeat searches, and my browser saves the list if i want to recall it; maybe i'm not using it to its fullest extent

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** xris thinks that's an odd way to spell cyrillis **

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surillis:

lol

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xris:

opello: I just use a smart bookmark/keyword in ff

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xris:

type "myth stargate" into the location bar and it searches mythweb

[05:49:33]

opello:

nice

[05:49:39]

surillis:

i hate to bother yall but i am having trouble finding info about using mythtv with hd signals

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xris:

surillis: what do you want to know?

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surillis:

i guess my question what is the impact of drm

[05:50:02]

xris:

what drm?

[05:50:16]

surillis:

digital rights managment encryption

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surillis:

stuff like taht

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xris:

there is no DRM on broadcast signals

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xris:

or on firewire

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surillis:

oh

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xris:

broadcast flag never went into effect

[05:51:08]

surillis:

so i shouldn't have any trouble vieing streams

[05:51:15]

surillis:

sweet thanks for the info

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xris:

didn't say that

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xris:

signal might be encrypted...

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surillis:

er ok

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xris:

but that's not DRM. that's just encryption.

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surillis:

kk

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xris:

broadcast should be fine/unencrypted.

[05:52:06]

xris:

cable/QAM/firewire might be encrypted.

[05:52:15]

xris:

satellite is almost always encrypted..

[05:52:22]

surillis:

what i have head there isn't much that can be done if the signal is encrypted. how often does that happen

[05:52:23]

xris:

nothing legal you can do about encryption

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xris:

surillis: what type of connection?

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Rommie:

Can't you legally decrypt anything, so long as you don't share the information that you glean for said decryption?

[05:53:15]

surillis:

i am thinking about using firewire from a set top box. i was thinking that so i could controll the set top from the pc

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xris:

Rommie: dmca forbids decryption in the US

[05:53:34]

Rommie:

Ouch

[05:53:51]

xris:

surillis: firewire varies depending on the local franchise. you should at least get the local broadcast stations in the clear (that much is required by the FCC)

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Rommie:

In canada, you can decrypt anything (the exact case that brought this about was in regards to wireless sniffing), and view all the data, so long as you don't do anything with the data

[05:54:05]

xris:

if you're lucky like those in the seattle area, you could also get your SD channels, too

[05:54:54]

surillis:

so i might have trouble with like discovery hd and such i am in denver co using comcast

[05:56:17]

surillis:

again sorry for the question. i am trying to detirmine viability of the system.

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BHSPitMonkey:

Hi all

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BHSPitMonkey:

does anyone have -any- idea whether a Pinnacle PCTV HD tuner would be compatible with myth? (ATSC)

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xris:

surillis: it's worth the $5/month extra (or whatever) to test out firewire for a month

[05:59:29]

BHSPitMonkey:

I think this card may just now be launching, but an educated guess would be helpful

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surillis:

ok i will do that

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xris:

BHSPitMonkey: you mean the one on woot? it's too new

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BHSPitMonkey:

xris, blast :(

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surillis:

oh has anyone here ran mythtv on gentoo?

[06:00:07]

BHSPitMonkey:

I wonder if it's safe to judge based on the SD PCTV models

[06:00:47]

xris:

BHSPitMonkey: hard to say without knowing the chipset, etc.

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xris:

surillis: lots of people..

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cesman:

BHSPitMonkey: you need to find out if it works w/ the DVB modules

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surillis:

sweet i think that is what i am going to run. so i will catch you guys later have a great day/nite

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BHSPitMonkey:

cesman, I don't think there's any way to tell at this point :(

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BHSPitMonkey:

and it's a woot

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BHSPitMonkey:

this is a gamble :/

[06:03:04]

xris:

BHSPitMonkey: very much so

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xris:

linuxtv.org would have info if anywhere does.

[06:03:14]

cesman:

no go to linuxtv.org nd check the list of compatible tuners

[06:03:28]

cesman:

and or joing the mailing list and ask

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BHSPitMonkey:

cesman, this card's launching today

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BHSPitMonkey:

no one has it

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cesman:

what ever

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cesman:

you asked how you can tell if it works...

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cesman:

we are giving you guidance

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BHSPitMonkey:

apologies if I'm coming off rude/ungrateful

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BHSPitMonkey:

that's just my ancy despair from the situation.

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Netslayer:

which nvidia driver version do most people recommend these days for XVMC use?

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Netslayer:

my video is turning green blocky after 5–10 minutes of playback it seems with 100.14.19 drivers

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bsdfox:

Netslayer: I have that problem sometimes too but it only happens sometimes when starting video

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bsdfox:

doesn't occur in the middle of playing it

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Netslayer:

it happens about 70% of the time for me

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Netslayer:

bsdfox, what nvidia driver are you running?

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Netslayer:

omg it just went away on it's own after 3 minutes.. wtf?

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bsdfox:

Installed versions: 100.14.11-r10

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bsdfox:

err wait

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bsdfox:

wrong machine

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bsdfox:

Installed versions: 100.14.19-r10

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Netslayer:

same version

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Netslayer:

i'm thinking about trying 9755

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Netslayer:

it just came back again on my video.. lol

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bsdfox:

hehe

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bsdfox:

only way I can fix it is to restart X

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bsdfox:

then it always works fine indefinately

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Netslayer:

when you go back to mythfrontend what happens?

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Netslayer:

usually that's fine for me.. ugg it just locked

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bsdfox:

:\

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bsdfox:

the preview video looks fine for me but actually watching stuff doesn't

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bsdfox:

also, mplayer/vlc/etc have the same problem until I restart X

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bsdfox:

are you on xorg 7.3?

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kormoc:

try disabling xv?

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Netslayer:

bsdfox, i'm pretty sure it's 7.3, it's the default one in Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10 beta

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Netslayer:

kormoc, how do I disable XV? isnt that required for XVMC?

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kormoc:

there's a environment var that will do it, and of course it is.

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bsdfox:

Netslayer: X -version

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defaultro:

hi folks, does anyone have an hddvd drive on their linux box?

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bsdfox:

does that say 1.4.0 or 1.3.0

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Netslayer:

1.3.0

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Netslayer:

bsdfox, any reason why your asking? is one more stable then the other or known issues

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bsdfox:

Netslayer: I didn't have problems til I upgraded to xorg 7.3

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bsdfox:

now I have the problems

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Netslayer:

bsdfox, interesting. So 1.3.0 = 7.3. What version did you upgrade from?

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bsdfox:

I have a dedicated frontend machine that works fine with 7.2

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Netslayer:

bsdfox, k, so you're running XVMC, and after a few minutes occassionally it goes green blocky for you? Then sometimes X11 locks up

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Netslayer:

i'm one of the few trying to get an appletv to be a good frontend machine

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kormoc:

doesn't the apple tv use a ati or intel video card?

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Netslayer:

nvidia 7300 go

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kormoc:

huh, snazzy

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Netslayer:

it plays back 1080i with bob2x, xvmc 5% idle

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Netslayer:

it's a perfect frontend after i figure this out :-)

[06:29:21]

Netslayer:

and hey 15watts.. noiseless, can't beat that

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bsdfox:

Netslayer: 1.4.0=xorg 7.3

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Netslayer:

dang :-)

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bsdfox:

Netslayer: no, sometimes after my system is idle for a while I will start playing a video and get that

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Netslayer:

bsdfox, sometimes it's every 5 minutes for us and restarting X doesnt fix it

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bsdfox:

shitty

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Netslayer:

interesting so when the picture goes green, the mythfrontend osd is still fine, i can go next/back but doesnt fix

[06:51:43]

bsdfox:

same thing for me

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bsdfox:

does vlc or mplayer work for you?

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Netslayer:

havent tried it yet actually. i have mythbuntu installed so it launches myth manually kinda annoying ot change it

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Dagmar:

Okay, this is odd.

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Dagmar:

I'm going to update to svn fixes and see if the issue remains

[06:59:37]

Dagmar:

With two tuners, and one set to be in use, a second directive of "record at any time on this channel" gets postponed

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Dagmar:

...when it should probably just use the second tuner if it cna

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bsdfox:

Dagmar: do you have the priorities set differently?

[07:00:31]

Dagmar:

Nope

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bsdfox:

and how is it postponed? does it say previous or later?

[07:00:50]

Dagmar:

It says it will record it later, obviously.

[07:02:53]

Netslayer:

bsdfox, i have mplayer -vo xvmc playing the same file back now :-) also an interesting idea is to try this on my cloned box. I setup another box diff hd with xubuntu, then cloned it to the appletv.

[07:03:24]

z1pp1ty:

anybody care to do a sanity check for me on an htpc box? http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/wishlist/ . . . mber=7423528

[07:09:22]

Netslayer:

bsdfox, mplayer just locked up, not green but it did it too

[07:09:49]

bsdfox:

strange

[07:10:29]

Netslayer:

and mythfrontend is showing 99% usage..odd

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Netslayer:

I used mythvideo so the spawned mplayer might have done it

[07:12:24]

** cesman ponders why someone would ask for a sanity check on hardware they apparently intend to install Windows on in the MythTV channel... **

[07:12:38]

cesman:

Netslayer: perhaps there is an issue w/ your hardware?

[07:13:33]

Netslayer:

cesman, could be, i can't get sensors to work on this EFI bios. I pulled the mobo out of the appletv and put a real heat sink on the cpu/gpu but it didnt change anything

[07:15:09]

z1pp1ty:

cesman: yeah, i forgot that was in there

[07:15:22]

bsdfox:

z1pp1ty: what tuner card?

[07:15:29]

z1pp1ty:

pvr 150

[07:15:43]

bsdfox:

z1pp1ty: fwiw, I bought an e6320 for $109 at frys on friday

[07:15:56]

z1pp1ty:

i've been running mythtv for years and my neighbors finally bugged me enough to set something up for them

[07:16:08]

cesman:

z1pp1ty: you intend to stick a 150 in that beast?!

[07:16:10]

bsdfox:

z1pp1ty: that's a LOT of power for an SD hardware encoder card :)

[07:16:16]

cesman:

your hardware is overkill for just SD

[07:16:22]

bsdfox:

that is a good system for HDTV

[07:16:31]

z1pp1ty:

yeah, upgradeable

[07:16:44]

z1pp1ty:

drop in the card when/if needed

[07:17:02]

z1pp1ty:

rather than replace mobo, proc, etc.

[07:17:14]

bsdfox:

your neighbors want to spend $2k on a tivo?

[07:17:27]

z1pp1ty:

+ mp3s + videos

[07:17:28]

bsdfox:

ask them if they want to buy a `76 chevy pickup

[07:17:45]

z1pp1ty:

it includes a 32" lcd too :)

[07:18:26]

z1pp1ty:

take out the pretty case, speakers, and lcd and the price is pretty reasonable i thought

[07:19:49]

z1pp1ty:

bsdfox: that was brick and mortar i assume?

[07:20:08]

bsdfox:

yes

[07:20:22]

z1pp1ty:

meh, i live in the boonies

[07:20:24]

bsdfox:

it was a tray cpu too but tat's all I neede

[07:20:40]

bsdfox:

also, I have a very similar system as my desktop and it's fast fast fast

[07:21:12]

bsdfox:

I've got a 650i and that cpu running at 3.1ghz and it'll go higher but my current bios version for some reason won't let me up the cpu voltage :P

[07:21:21]

z1pp1ty:

you guys seen one of those zalman cases in person?

[07:21:34]

bsdfox:

runs cool too

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Dagmar:

Ugh. There's definitely an ordering issue in the scheduler

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Netslayer:

bsdfox, originally mythvideo played it through myth, so now i'm trying mplayer and interestingly with xvmc it's really laggy. waiting for it to go green

[07:30:22]

NRGizeR:

hey, I'm hoping someone here has an idea about this, because I've been drawing a blank.... The situtaion: I have two DVB-C cards, one for unencrypted channels, and one with a CI/conax reader. I have some pay channels from the local cablecompany.

[07:31:03]

NRGizeR:

Now, everything has been working swimmingly for about a month, but then my mobo crashed and I upgraded to a new computer and installed the new SuSE 10.3 on the machine (instead of 10.2 that was there)

[07:31:04]

Netslayer:

bsdfox, ic green :-)

[07:31:32]

NRGizeR:

everything worked for a while again, but then yesterday, all of a sudden, I started getting mpeg2video errors on all pay channels :<

[07:32:03]

NRGizeR:

if I do "watch tv" and it tunes directly to a conax chan, it shows nothing but a blank screen (and then the video error dialog)

[07:32:47]

NRGizeR:

HOWEVER. The weird thing is that if I watch 'regular' tv first, and then change to a conax chan, it shows the encrypted video for about 5–10seconds before freezing

[07:33:16]

NRGizeR:

would anyone have any idea whatsoever about what could be causing this?

[07:33:50]

NRGizeR:

('worked for a while again' above means about a day btw :) during heavy configuration changes)

[07:34:26]

NRGizeR:

I can't recall changing anything that would be related to the CI/conax interface, and I can't see anything obvious in the logs :<

[07:35:19]

NRGizeR:

my immediate suspicion was of course that the CI reader is broken, but then how is it possible that it shows 5–10s of tv when I tune to the channel after watching an unencrypted one?

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sebrock:

is it safe to delete every small file in the recordings folder of mythtv?

[07:42:12]

sebrock:

it's all small mpegs that I have not recorded (guessing its some timeshifting stuff)

[07:42:39]

sebrock:

not listed in frontend

[07:42:45]

sebrock:

or are they automaticly deleted?

[07:45:49]

NRGizeR:

livetv is automatically deleted

[07:46:06]

NRGizeR:

if you delete them manually, make sure they are not referenced in the database :)

[07:46:16]

NRGizeR:

(or delete them from the database as well)

[07:46:47]

NRGizeR:

sebrock: everything you watch with mythtv will be recorded

[07:46:56]

NRGizeR:

even if you don't timeshift

[07:47:01]

sebrock:

ok

[07:47:06]

sebrock:

and when is it deleted?

[07:47:08]

sebrock:

automaticly?

[07:47:12]

NRGizeR:

it's autoexpired

[07:47:20]

sebrock:

ie ?

[07:47:22]

NRGizeR:

livetv gets deleted pretty soon usually

[07:47:26]

sebrock:

ok

[07:47:29]

NRGizeR:

it's done automatically yes

[07:47:32]

sebrock:

got another question

[07:47:44]

sebrock:

I set one show to transcode this night

[07:47:49]

sebrock:

but nothing happened

[07:48:04]

sebrock:

I set "jobs" to be done during the night

[07:48:15]

sebrock:

marked the recording to "autotranscore"

[07:48:21]

sebrock:

transcode

[07:48:29]

sebrock:

but it seems nothing happened

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NRGizeR:

afraid I can't help you with transcoding as I never use mythtv for that... but I would start by looking into if transcode has gotten broken for some reason

[07:48:53]

NRGizeR:

and check the logs, they usually help you out

[07:49:14]

NRGizeR:

(on suse the mythbackendlog is /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log)

[07:49:39]

NRGizeR:

will almost certainly be in a different place on other distros

[07:50:12]

sebrock:

I checked logs

[07:50:14]

sebrock:

nothing

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sebrock:

:(

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Ned_:

Has anyone ever had a problem when mplayer is playing, no keys on the keyboard work? (it just seems to buffer them up and "press" them all after mplayer has terminated) ?

[08:01:08]

directhex|work:

Ned_, what WM are you using?

[08:01:37]

directhex|work:

Ned_, it sounds like a common symptom of not using a WM, which causes focus issues when spawning an mplayer window from inside myth

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Ned_:

directhex|work: ah ha

[08:14:05]

Ned_:

directhex|work: I'm not using a wm

[08:14:28]

Ned_:

I just put exec mythfrontend in the mythtv user's .xinitrc

[08:14:32]

Ned_:

then startx as that user

[08:14:44]

Ned_:

so err, I need a wm?, any suggestions ?

[08:14:52]

Ned_:

will twm suffice ?

[08:15:53]

directhex|work:

xfwm4 and *box are generally well regarded for the job

[08:15:59]

Ned_:

right ...

[08:16:07]

directhex|work:

i never got twm working as i wanted

[08:16:19]

Ned_:

directhex|work: so err, with those wms

[08:16:32]

Ned_:

what do you put in .xinitrc ?

[08:16:38]

Ned_:

something like,

[08:16:43]

Ned_:

mythfrontend &

[08:16:47]

Ned_:

exec wm

[08:16:49]

Ned_:

?

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directhex|work:

the reverse

[08:17:02]

Ned_:

err, ok

[08:17:03]

Ned_:

:)

[08:17:07]

directhex|work:

run the wm, then the app

[08:17:11]

** Ned_ tries it with twm (cuz I already have that) **

[08:18:01]

Ned_:

no, I lie

[08:18:07]

Ned_:

crap, I need to install a wm

[08:18:10]

Ned_:

so what do you recommend ?

[08:18:33]

jduggan:

something lightweight

[08:18:38]

Ned_:

okay,

[08:18:43]

** Ned_ tries xfwm4 **

[08:18:44]

jduggan:

fvwm/fluxbox

[08:18:48]

jduggan:

ive used

[08:18:48]

Ned_:

I could try ion

[08:18:55]

Ned_:

but I don't think it'll like that much either :p

[08:18:59]

directhex|work:

i've used xfwm4 for the job in the past (will require lots of gtk2 dependencies) and use openbox currently (which doesn't)

[08:19:13]

Ned_:

directhex|work: oh well, I don't mind the gtk2 stuff too much

[08:19:15]

jduggan:

is openbox yet another fork of blackbox?

[08:19:17]

directhex|work:

in the future i'll be shifting back to xfwm4

[08:19:22]

Ned_:

actually, it didn't pull very much gtk2 stuff at all

[08:19:30]

sebrock:

where are transcoded stuff put? same folder?

[08:20:32]

Ned_:

directhex|work: interesting, the mplayer keyboard shortcuts work now

[08:20:47]

Ned_:

which is interesting, because at _some_ point I had weird myth HUD stuff happening while video was playing ...

[08:20:51]

Ned_:

what's normal ?

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directhex|work:

Ned_, normal? well, seamlessness, of course

[08:22:18]

Ned_:

directhex|work: heh, faire nough

[08:22:18]

directhex|work:

Ned_, if you want to use the internal mythtv player rather than mplayer, you need to configure mythvideo to use "Internal" as its player app

[08:22:26]

Ned_:

oh, right ...

[08:22:30]

Ned_:

and what does that use on the backend ?

[08:22:35]

Ned_:

like a special binary ?

[08:22:39]

Ned_:

or a wrapper around mplayer or something ?

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directhex|work:

that'll use the same keyboard shortcuts as mythtv's recoring playback and so on

[08:23:24]

directhex|work:

myth includes its own built-in copy of ffmpeg. it uses that library for playback functionality

[08:23:24]

Ned_:

ok

[08:23:29]

Ned_:

right ...

[08:23:32]

Ned_:

cheers for all the help :)

[08:24:28]

sebrock:

transcoding to what format usually?

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sebrock:

is transcoding even necessary for me? using the PVR-500? I get it in mpeg-2 already right?

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NRGizeR:

so noone has any idea about that problem with the encrypted chans that I described above? :<

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Dagmar:

sebrock: Yes the PVR-xxx cards result in you already having perfectly normal mpg2 video files. Whether or not whatever you're doing with them can handle mpg2, I have no idea.

[09:37:30]

Dagmar:

NRGizeR: I don't see you saying anything about encrypted channels as far back as I care to scroll, but last I checked, anything encrypted is not going to be accessible to MythTV

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NRGizeR:

Dagmar: well, uuum

[09:41:34]

NRGizeR:

10:30 < NRGizeR> hey, I'm hoping someone here has an idea about this, because I've been drawing a blank.... The situtaion: I have two DVB-C cards, one for unencrypted channels, and one with a CI/conax reader. I have some pay channels from the local cablecompany.

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NRGizeR:

from that and onwards about 10 lines :)

[09:41:57]

NRGizeR:

(won't paste it all to flood you :) )

[09:42:12]

NRGizeR:

that's 2 hours ago btw

[09:42:39]

NRGizeR:

Dagmar: and the thing is that encrypted chans ARE available (at least with DVB)

[09:42:54]

NRGizeR:

since I've had it working for about a month, and now it gives me weird errors :<

[09:43:42]

NRGizeR:

the workflow has been: working encrypted dvb -> crashed mobo -> upgraded machine and opensuse version -> new database since the old one was corrupted in the crash -> working channels -> not working a couple of hours later

[09:50:53]

Dagmar:

So, if you were actually getting encrypted stuff, how were you decrypting it?

[09:51:08]

NRGizeR:

CI/CAM/Conax

[09:51:27]

NRGizeR:

connected to a tra

[09:51:29]

NRGizeR:

hmpf

[09:51:34]

Dagmar:

Good luck sorting it out then

[09:51:43]

NRGizeR:

connected to a technotrend budget card

[09:52:07]

NRGizeR:

Dagmar: mmm... it's driving me insane really... I had this "windows moment" last night

[09:52:24]

NRGizeR:

you know, the frustration of it just not working, and nothing to give a hint of what to do to correct it

[09:52:45]

directhex|work:

is your CAM showing as initialized in dmesg et al?

[09:53:05]

directhex|work:

or when you restart your backend, is it in the mythtv backend log?

[09:53:29]

NRGizeR:

hmm... not sure if I checked this boot...

[09:53:52]

NRGizeR:

then again, how could it decrypt 10 seconds if I change from a free channel if the CAM wasn't working?

[09:54:01]

NRGizeR:

is there a technical explanation for that?

[09:54:06]

directhex|work:

and when attempting to tune an encrypted channel, do you see "2004-01–14 16:04:45 DVB#0 Sending PMT to CAM in slot 1." or similar in your logs?

[09:54:09]

NRGizeR:

I mean, could it in principal be possible?

[09:54:25]

directhex|work:

in principle? sure. it could be an intermitent problem

[09:54:45]

directhex|work:

if you want to stop trying to track it down, and simply wave your hands in the air and go "it's buggered", that's an option

[09:55:27]

sebrock:

Dagmar, in that case. Transcoding will only remove commersials?

[09:56:26]

directhex|work:

sebrock, that would be the only reason to do it, sure – but not neccessarily the only effect a transcode job would have

[09:56:43]

NRGizeR:

from boot.log "<6>budget-av: ci interface initialised.

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NRGizeR:

and the modules are loaded as well

[09:57:16]

NRGizeR:

directhex|work: I usually can't let stuff like this go, so no "it's buggered" won't be happening for a while still :)

[09:57:33]

NRGizeR:

just wanted to know if it actually mattered that it was able to tune sometimes

[09:58:44]

NRGizeR:

the only thing I find in the backend logs when I grep for CAM though is "CAM: Conax 4.00e, 01, 0B00, 04B1"

[09:58:50]

NRGizeR:

so it seems to be loaded but not used?

[09:58:56]

directhex|work:

that's good, that's normal

[09:59:21]

sebrock:

directhex you are right... might worsen the quality you mean?

[09:59:23]

directhex|work:

that means the backend has initialized the cam. the question now is whether it gets used

[09:59:28]

directhex|work:

sebrock, yes

[09:59:32]

sebrock:

hmm damn

[09:59:43]

NRGizeR:

now that you say it, I do believe I had this problem back when I bought this CAM as well

[09:59:44]

sebrock:

ah well, the flags gets set anyway right

[09:59:50]

NRGizeR:

but can't remember what I did then to make it work

[10:00:01]

NRGizeR:

think it was pretty much rocketmagic that time around :)

[10:00:09]

NRGizeR:

(try everything, and something worked by accident :) )

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NRGizeR:

sooo... is there a way to give myth a hint that it should be using the CAM for a given channel?

[10:01:35]

directhex|work:

it ought to know. when doing your setup, did you create 2 different video sources, one for the CAM-equipped card, one for the other?

[10:02:13]

NRGizeR:

no, didn't have one from before either...

[10:02:24]

NRGizeR:

didn't quite figure out how that was supposed to work :)

[10:02:46]

NRGizeR:

hmmm... could it be then that the channels were scanned with the wrong card?

[10:02:57]

directhex|work:

yes, it could

[10:03:00]

directhex|work:

maybe

[10:03:02]

NRGizeR:

hmmm...

[10:03:17]

NRGizeR:

then there should be a flag in the channel table somewhere for that, right?

[10:03:36]

directhex|work:

hacking on the database by hand is hazardous to your health

[10:03:38]

laga:

re

[10:04:05]

NRGizeR:

:)

[10:04:13]

NRGizeR:

that I've done alot of.. :)

[10:04:28]

NRGizeR:

(in the past, this is a clean database)

[10:04:37]

RaYmAn-Bx:

directhex|work: that's what backups are for =P

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Freman:

heya's

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NRGizeR:

RaYmAn-Bx: exactly :)

[10:05:26]

NRGizeR:

many times it's simpler to just change the database than tracking down the right checkbox in the frontend :)

[10:05:27]

Freman:

I'm getting corruption when recording two shows at once

[10:05:41]

NRGizeR:

hmm...

[10:06:01]

NRGizeR:

directhex|work: well thanks, gave me a few ideas to try out when I get back within X-forwarding range of my machine :)

[10:06:10]

Freman:

I didn't have this problem before I was forced to reformat (was 32bit back then) is now 64bit. Anyone know what might be the cause?

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directhex|work:

Freman, what kind of tuner?

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Freman:

the only thing that's really changed is the arch, and kernel version

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Freman:

DVB

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sebrock:

from which mythweb is streaming (RAW) an option? anyone knows this?

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Freman:

I've got 3 tuners in total

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Freman:

two of them are the same chipset on the same card, one is a different chipset on a differen card

[10:08:46]

Freman:

the individual tuner is currently recording one channel fine without issue.

[10:09:10]

Freman:

one of the other tuners is recording on another channel – this recording has corruption

[10:10:07]

Freman:

when I fire up the third one (second one on card) and go live tv there's no corruption on ch 7, 10, 2 or 28 but there's corruption on 9, which is what the second tuner is recording

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sebrock:

because my mythweb says file is not available, however it is... using the ubuntu resp mythweb

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sebrock:

0.20 2007–01 something...

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NRGizeR:

Freman: I've had this in the past as well... And I've chaulked it down to a signalstrength problem at least

[10:11:11]

Freman:

unfortunatly it's consistent

[10:11:13]

NRGizeR:

because when I put an amplifier on the antenna cable it worked again

[10:11:21]

Freman:

I've got an amp )c:

[10:11:28]

NRGizeR:

mmkay :)

[10:12:03]

Freman:

if I'm not recording I can watch all 5 channels on all 3 tuners (havn't tried simultaniously, havn't worked out how to do that)

[10:19:41]

Freman:

I think I found the problem with my mythtv... cx88[0]/2-mpeg: cx8802_timeout (Just not sure whether it's kernel version or arch or something else causing it)

[10:20:00]

Freman:

my logs full of cx88[0]/2-mpeg: cx8802_timeout

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Freman:

nope that aint it

[10:24:40]

Freman:

nope, I take it back... it could be it

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NRGizeR:

:9

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NRGizeR:

I recognize the confusion :)

[10:29:06]

NRGizeR:

I've been on that rollercoaster the past day as well... "This has to be it, no it can't be, no but it is!... no, it wasn't" :)

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Dagmar:

That's the way things usually go until you've got a crystal clear picture of what pieces are responsible for what.

[10:38:34]

NRGizeR:

mm

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Freman:

I'm going to have to simulate some tests... somehow

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Freman:

probably the first thing I have to do is get it recording on the dvico2... then try to watching something on one of the dvico4 tuners

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Freman:

(this isn't minor corruption, this is corruption to the level that an hour long show plays out as 10 minutes of coloured blocks)

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NRGizeR:

nice :)

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NRGizeR:

... or maybe not

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Freman:

thankfully there isn't much worth watching on channel 9...

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Freman:

then of coure... there's the posibility of problems with the damn mobo

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Freman:

or the damn card

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rooaus:

Freman: They are USB tuners I think, I would follow that path of enquiry.

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Freman:

yeh, dvico dual dvb4 tuners are dual usb tuners on a via pci/usb bridge

[10:47:34]

Freman:

the other one is a dvb2, with an actual cx88_dvb on it

[10:49:08]

Freman:

I also have to doule check to make sure I have the right firmware

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** Freman crys **

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rooaus:

Freman: Some people have said they have probs with the usb tuners, but I don't know how current/relevant that is anymore.

[10:50:07]

Freman:

well the dvico dvb2 had one 'real' pci and one usb one – a dodgy psu nuked the usb one...

[10:51:01]

Freman:

the dvb4 is two usb's mounted on a pci card, and it's an issue in it's self (xc3028 + patches + patches to make the damn think work in au) – but having said that... before this format it was working fine...

[10:51:55]

rooaus:

Freman: Maybe it is related to one tuner in particular, Myth will use tuners based on their card number. Did you add the tuners in the same order?

[10:52:24]

Freman:

yes

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rooaus:

not sure then

[10:52:59]

Freman:

I've had strange problems this build – if I put the dvb4 into another pci slot it shows up as a completely different card type (it's got a 1 bit eror)

[10:53:13]

Freman:

shows up as a SAA not USB

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** Freman is actually growing tired of all the BS, I've had a mythtv box for 3 years now... **

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directhex|work:

your hardware sounds *gently loved* to me

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Freman:

I had a problem psu for while...

[10:54:12]

Freman:

it's about to be gently loved with a sledge hammer

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NRGizeR:

:)

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Freman:

all my problems started with an upgrade )c:

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NRGizeR:

they always do

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laga:

never touch a running system

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mikeones:

anyone using this HD card? http://www.woot.com

[11:07:38]

mikeones:

laga: and not stay with the lattest and grattest?

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directhex|work:

mikeones, pinnacle are not linux-friendly

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Freman:

Not all my chans are reporting S/N ratio, but all those that are (Including 9) 4.7db (min) to 4.8db (max)

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Freman:

no, now ch9 has dropped to 4.5db

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Freman:

all the sigs are 69%

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Freman:

ch9 bounces...

[11:12:15]

Freman:

S/N and Sig both disapear, come back...

[11:13:13]

Freman:

good news is... it happens recording or not...

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Freman:

so it's probably not disk access causing the issue

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rooaus:

Freman: When was the PSU event?

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Freman:

ummm a while back, this is a brand new card tho

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Freman:

(I sent the toasted one back to the manufacturer, they said there was nothing wrong with it, but the one they sent me back had a different serial #)

[11:14:51]

Freman:

it's only one channel... but both tuners on the hacky driver card

[11:14:58]

Freman:

it's narrowed it down a lot

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rooaus:

Freman: oh, I was going to say it is not unusual to experience latent failures in semiconductors, especially relating to power (over) supply issues.

[11:16:16]

Freman:

it was actually (mostly) undersuplly

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Freman:

supply

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Freman:

the 5v rail would go between 5.1v and 3.3v

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Freman:

(got my hands on one of those fancy psu tester thingies)

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Freman:

http://fremnet.net/article/228/dvico-fusionhd . . . -under-linux <- that's the card

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Freman:

or rather, my howto get the card working

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Freman:

going to step back over some of those steps

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Freman:

specifically

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Freman:

the firmware

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Freman:

cos there's an issue in the original firmware for tuning in this counry

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Freman:

mv xc3028_DTV7_2633.i2c.fw{,.orig}

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Freman:

oops

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Freman:

wrong window

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rooaus:

heh

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rooaus:

you got problems with sbs?

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Freman:

no, sbs is perfect

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Freman:

it's just channel 9

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Freman:

(not much worth watching on ch 9 anyway, I record the odd show from there for 'noise in the background' type viewing)

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** Freman waits for his box to reboot (so many modules, it's just easier to reload the firmware this way) **

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Freman:

cept it's trying to unmount an nfs share on a machine that isn't on...

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** Freman rolls eyes **

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rooaus:

I built a machine for a demo at work and had probs with SBS, turns out DVico had changed the frontend from the MT352 they used to use. That was a while ago now though.

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rooaus:

That is Melb though.

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Freman:

yep

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Freman:

know about that

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Freman:

dvico dual dvb 2

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Freman:

nice card it was...

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Freman:

oh boy

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Freman:

rebooting it has now messed up one of my file systems

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Freman:

all I can say... I'm glad I'm not trying to use windows...

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Freman:

ok... fixed the fs, rebooting again...

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Freman:

maybe

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Freman:

little conserned that one of my HDD's is making a click noise when it's being lvmed

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Freman:

it's not alloud to blow up till next week

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quicksilver:

click noise --> back up any important data you don't already have a backup of NOW :)

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Freman:

it's only tv recordings (c:

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Freman:

everything else is on a dedicated raid (c:

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Freman:

ok... ch9 tests: dvico 4/1 – failure, dvico 4/2 – failure, dvico 2 PCI – failure (in fact, it says ch9 has 16% sig)

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directhex|work:

how are you splitting your signal?

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Freman:

Dicksmiths amplifier splitter

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Freman:

rated for digital signals

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Freman:

good HQ cables...

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Freman:

I think the pci one just doesn't know what it's talkin about, cos it says ch 7 is 16% sig

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Freman:

take that back, the dvico 4 doesn't know what it's taling about

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Freman:

ok.. the dvb4 tuners are useless for telling signal strength

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Freman:

they're happy to report 69% perpetually

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jduggan:

Freman: lots of people get bogus signal reports from dvb

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Freman:

the dvb2 pci tuner (cx88) reports 9% (unamped) to 16% (amped) for channel 9, channel 7 is 18% unamped and works... so I'm thinking 17% might be bare minimum 18% better

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Freman:

to confirm these observations I'm getting my mate to return my STB so I can check what it thinks

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Freman:

I

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Freman:

I'll get him to lend me a ladder at the same time (c:

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Freman:

I spoze technically speaking... I shouldn't be getting dvb-t, I'm apparently missing the element on my antenna that picks it up

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Freman:

this is my amp (for the record) http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=LT3288

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Freman:

anyway to tell myth to suspend all scheduled recordings on a chan?

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laga:

the radeon driver blows donkeys.

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directhex|work:

laga, yes

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rooaus:

laga: I hear ya, so does fglrx.

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laga:

a) it's fucking slow in mythtv if acceleration is enabled for the driver, regardless which painter i use

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laga:

b) interlacing is borked. when i try to git-bisect that bitch, it either wont compile or lock my box hard

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laga:

on a related note: i'll kill -9 someone if my xorg.conf keeps getting overwritten. i had to delete /etc/gdm to prevent the failsafe X stuff from messing up altough i'm using kdm.

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laga:

</rant>

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laga:

i'll now resort to *begging* for help in their bug tracker.

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Freman:

laga: I gave my ati card away...

[12:49:11]

Freman:

buy a $20 nvidia card, I did, solved all my output problems

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laga:

it wouldnt be so bad if i wouldn't upgrade all the time

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rooaus:

laga: If it helps I am using the proprietary driver on my laptop and occasionally I can watch it repaint the entire desktop... line by line over 5 secs. 1680x1050, painful!

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laga:

rooaus: :/

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directhex|work:

my mother has a new teevee. it's pwetty!

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rooaus:

laga: How is Oct 18 looking for you? Things going well?

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laga:

rooaus: almost. :) some rough edges, some things lacking polish, but it's looking good overall

[12:56:39]

rooaus:

cool.

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rooaus:

would you consider it suitable for a dedicated install as it stands?

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laga:

right now, there are a few problems, eg network manager will come up multiple times and you cannot shutdown the box without configuring the box properly to do so.

[12:59:43]

laga:

rooaus: i'll install the beta on the GF's mythtv box so i consider it to be stable enough :)

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rooaus:

not show stoppers then, I need a new distro as I can't be bothered with a "emerge system && emerge world". My main concern has been how upgrades will be handled.

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laga:

upgrades to what? 0.21? should be smooth. we (i) already maintain a set of trunk packages. while the upgrade to those was not always smooth (trunk is a moving target unfortunately ://) it's in a fairly good shape already.

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rooaus:

laga: Sorry, meant distro updates, when Horny Heron (or whatever) is released.

[13:05:33]

laga:

hum, there are some patches against X which might make radeon faster... oh well, let's wait for interlaced modelines get fixed first

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laga:

rooaus: zpdates should be smooth. although upgrading during the development cycle was not always automatic, we'll try to make sure that it'll be smooth for hardy heron from what i've heard

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rooaus:

laga: I might try it out, I do like to idea of mythbuntu :)

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directhex|work:

rooaus, generally (generally!) distribution updates are seamless

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laga:

nice, there are experimental X packages for ubuntu gutsy. :/

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laga:

hum

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laga:

i wish stuff would just work

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mikeones:

with Sidux I du weekly

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laga:

weekly?

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mikeones:

laga: mostly

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directhex|work:

sidux?

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laga:

what is "weekly"?

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mikeones:

http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aweekl . . . nt=firefox-a

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laga:

*sigh*

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** laga adds mikeones to his ignore list **

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mikeones:

:/

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mikeones:

laga: you asked... I was not sure if you knew.

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mikeones:

;)

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. Need a little help. mythfilldatabase keeps erroring out saying that it can't find a local mysql socket but the database isn't found locally and /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt reflects that.

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laga:

check ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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baxter_kylie:

laga: Ah. Stupid user error. I was executing as root and not the myth user. Gratz. Didn't even occur to me.

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Ryushin:

http://www.woot.com/ Pinnacle PCTV HD Card, does it work with MythTV?

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directhex|work:

unlikely

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directhex|work:

pinnacle are far from linux0friendly. the card gets no mention on the linuxtv wiki

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Ryushin:

Oh well. Gotta hope sometimes. I already have two pcHDTV cards. I was just thinking that I could use this for my cheap friend.

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SiD3WiNDR:

(my pinnacle works fine, but it's not a hdtv)

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Ryushin:

Yea, it's a different chipset.

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jams:

j-rod- you about?

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laga:

ouch. mythdvd is crashtastic in trunk

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** laga is currently fine-tuning video display with a 5â‚¬ DVD **

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hendrixski:

I made a quick menu page of some of the internet TV streams that I watch by calling <action> mplayer -fs -zoom mms://stream address

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hendrixski:

The problem is that this takes a long time for mplayer to pop up, is there a way I can have that come up faster by using the nupple player?

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hendrixski:

or... since this question may involve code... should I ask it on the #mythtv channel?

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laga:

gah

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laga:

ok, time to get a backtrace.

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** laga tries to reproduce the segfault **

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hendrixski:

:-( there's nothing on the wiki about nuppel, so I thought I'd ask here.. what is the easiest way to call it? if possible, from one of the XML files that make up a menu (without having to make a whole plugin)?

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laga:

hendrixski: make sure that mplayer doesnt take long to start because of caching.

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Dagmar:

1. There is no "nupple player"

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laga:

web streams tend to be (partially) cached.

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Dagmar:

2. The internal player MythTV has is pretty much For The Win for most things at this point.

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hendrixski:

laga how do I find out if it's caching?

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laga:

hendrixski: start it in a terminal.

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laga:

Dagmar: unless it crashes when i play a dvd ;)

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Dagmar:

As far as _streaming across the network_ is concerned, Mplayer is *always* going to delay for a bit while it pulls up a bunch of the first part of the file so it can have a cache

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hendrixski:

Dagmar, ah... so nuppel being "for the win" would be faster?

[14:48:30]

** hendrixski starts mplayer on a stream in a terminal **

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hendrixski:

k, so I logged the output, then searched for 'cache' ... it pops up in a few places

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hendrixski:

ooh, there's a -nochace option

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laga:

;/

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hendrixski:

that doesn't seem to help though

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laga:

it caches for a reason :)

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laga:

god this drives me nuts. i cant reproduce this seg fault

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hendrixski:

oh, I want to give it _more_ cache

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hendrixski:

?

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laga:

in gdb, that is

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laga:

hendrixski: do you know what caching means?

[14:54:19]

hendrixski:

roughly: that it has more memory to store extra stuff in

[14:54:40]

laga:

yes

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hendrixski:

so that it doesn't have to fetch over and over etc.

[14:54:55]

laga:

assume it fills the cache at a certain speed. if you increase cache size, it'll take longer to fill

[14:55:12]

laga:

hendrixski: well, especially to buffer network problems etc

[14:55:15]

hendrixski:

oh

[14:57:08]

hendrixski:

also, it feels like the longest part is "resolving the address" ... is there a way to speed that up... maybe DNS or something?

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laga:

wow. that's weird.

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laga:

i have to hook up the left speaker to the "r" output on my amp in order to get correct stereo sound.

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hendrixski:

Dagmar, when you said nuppelvideo is ftw, you mean..?

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Dagmar:

Oh I sure as hell did not say that

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keith4:

any chance of today's woot working with myth?

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Dagmar:

If there was any chance of knowing exactly what it was, then "maybe".

[15:09:28]

Dagmar:

Since we don't have any way of knowing this, then "No."

[15:10:23]

Dagmar:

...and since the page says it records in MPEG-1/2 or DivX (which is the telltale) then it's probably another craptacular framegrabber card you don't want.

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keith4:

ew, I didn't see that

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Dagmar:

I've learned to look, look, look for telltales.

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hendrixski:

<Dagmar> 2. The internal player MythTV has is pretty much For The Win for most things at this point. <hendrixski> Dagmar, when you said nuppelvideo is ftw, you mean..? <Dagmar> Oh I sure as hell did not say that

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** hendrixski is confused **

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keith4:

heh

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Dagmar:

So what part of "I didn't say that" is confusing you.

[15:12:45]

keith4:

what does NUV have to do with the internal video player?

[15:12:51]

Dagmar:

If you can't separate the meanings between two different and distinct sentences, then there is no hope for you.

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hendrixski:

oh

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hendrixski:

I thought nuppel *was* the internal player

[15:13:20]

Dagmar:

No, the internal player is the internal player.

[15:13:43]

Dagmar:

It happens to be able to read nuppelvideo, but it is most definitely not just an nuv player.

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keith4:

is it going to replace mplayer as player of choice for mythvideo?

[15:14:22]

Dagmar:

It did a long time ago.

[15:14:35]

Dagmar:

And perhaps you should have remembered to look at "1. There is no "nuppel video" player."

[15:14:51]

Dagmar:

How I could have been saying something that doesn't exist is FTW is a little bent.

[15:15:10]

hendrixski:

Dagmar, umm, thanks I guess

[15:15:49]

hendrixski:

so what does this do? http://www.cuymedia.net/doxygen-dev-docs/html . . . -source.html

[15:16:13]

** keith4 snickers **

[15:16:13]

Dagmar:

It functions as a cute little text file you can print out.

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hendrixski:

there's zero documentation about it there, and nothing came up on the wiki. does that only play a certain kind of video?

[15:16:56]

Dagmar:

Header files don't play *anything*

[15:17:03]

Dagmar:

They are just headers.

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keith4:

that is a large header file

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Dagmar:

Perhaps if instead of trying to be "clever" you were to just explain what it is you're trying to *do*.

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hendrixski:

so there is no nuppel video player, despite their being a class for it

[15:18:38]

Ryushin:

I haven't tried the internal DVD player in a couple of months or so. Has any improvement been done to it to fix the fast skipping rewinding bug? For example, if I fast forward by hitting my skip button to move ahead 15 seconds, and I do that a few times real quick, the video will freeze and the sound will play about 10 speed.

[15:18:52]

hendrixski:

<hendrixski> I made a quick menu page of some of the internet TV streams that I watch by calling <action> mplayer -fs -zoom mms://stream address

[15:18:52]

hendrixski:

<hendrixski> The problem is that this takes a long time for mplayer to pop up, is there a way I can have that come up faster by using <edidt> SOMETHING ELSE</edit>

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Dagmar:

So much for coming up with a reasonable question before the quota is out

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Dagmar:

fred: Oooh... Sweet, thanks!

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hendrixski:

Dagmar, what did I do wrong? did I insult you? It seems like you're being mean to me

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laga:

hendrixski: no worries, hes just trying to make you ask a good question..

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Dagmar:

I just wanted one that made sense, acutally.

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Dagmar:

There's not any way (to my knowledge) to call the internal player through any kind of external action like a shell script.

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** hendrixski never said anything about a shell script **

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laga:

it doesnt support network stuff AFAIK

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keith4:

hendrixski: it's nothing personal, he's always like this

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Dagmar:

keith4: Don't give me that "like this" business.

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directhex|work:

juski's the irritable one

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Dagmar:

I give him a straightforward answer and he tangents off every time

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keith4:

hendrixski: and you would be too, if you had to put up with what he puts up with ;-)

[15:24:08]

hendrixski:

keith4, well, I hope I'm not being a nuissance. that's not at all what I came here to do

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Dagmar:

<action></action> calls external things, like shell scripts

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directhex|work:

hendrixski, short answer: there is no way to avoid buffering with mms streams. and there's no elegant way to integrate it into myth until someone writes the MythLowResAndUgly plugin that none of the main developers can be bothered with

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keith4:

Dagmar: how far back does your buffer go? did you see the question I answered last night?

[15:25:12]

Dagmar:

...although usually those are done slightly more explicitly with things like EXECTV and so forth

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Dagmar:

keith4: Nope

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keith4:

<Cyrexion> can someone explain to me what the "re-record" option is

[15:25:37]

keith4:

for? if I recorded a show on sunday and tuesday comes along (2 days

[15:25:37]

keith4:

later), I can re-record the sunday show on a tuesday?

[15:25:37]

keith4:

<Cyrexion> what if that show isn't airing on tuesday?

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Dagmar:

I'm using a window about 12 lines high. I'm *not* engaging in any kind of extended scrollback hunt unless there's sizable money on the line

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hendrixski:

directhex|work, aha. that's Ok. i can live with the buffering for now

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directhex|work:

hendrixski, if you think DNS is your choke point, use an IP address instead of a dns name.

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directhex|work:

hendrixski, one way to make things more elegant is to generate a .asx file, and browse your .asx files using mythvideo

[15:26:29]

Dagmar:

keith4: yes, I'd be asking for that guys home address to find out how much cab fare to go stab him to death would be.

[15:26:35]

keith4:

lol

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keith4:

I couldn't tell if he was serious or not

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hendrixski:

that's a good idea.... know of any good reading materials on how I can get the ip address of the mms location?

[15:27:04]

hendrixski:

or on asx files?

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directhex|work:

hendrixski, "host somehostname" ?

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directhex|work:

and http://www.mediacollege.com/video/format/wind . . . les/asx.html making sure to use a correct href for the <ref> entry

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sebrock:

to update mythweb, is it simply do replace the files in /var/www/mythweb/ ??

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hendrixski:

:-) sweet. directhex|work I got two very good leads on how to go forward on my project from you in half the time Dagmar took to make me feel like I'm stupid. Thanks, I'll go read up on that, try it, and come back here if I have further questions :-)

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laga:

thaT's probably true, but i'm sure Dagmar was more passionate about it

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directhex|work:

hendrixski, he's not wrong though. nuppelvideo is a container format used by mythtv wshen combined with framegrabber cards

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** Dr_willis feels the love **

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keith4:

why can't we all just get along?

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sebrock:

to update mythweb, is it simply do replace the files in /var/www/mythweb/ ??

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keith4:

sebrock: what distro?

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sebrock:

I previously installed it from Ubuntu resp.,

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directhex|work:

keith4, the way i see it, there are two kinds of people in the world. people who like animaniacs, and people who don't like animaniacs

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keith4:

sebrock: just install the new mythweb package

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Dr_willis:

What kind of Sicko dosent like Animaniacs! :P

[15:35:11]

Dr_willis:

"Are You Thinking what im thinking Pinky?"

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keith4:

I think so, Brain, but this time, you wear the pink tutu

[15:35:28]

Dr_willis:

"Yea Brain.. but Leederhosen Chaff me so."

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Dr_willis:

:)

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directhex|work:

Dr_willis, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDtdQ8bTvRc

[15:36:07]

Dr_willis:

"These People are Obviously Insane Pinky, They think Pauley Shore is funny"

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Dr_willis:

or somthing like that.. heh heh

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sebrock:

keith4 yeah I did, but I dont think it is the last mythweb?

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keith4:

which ubuntu?

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sebrock:

see packages is named: 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu3

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Dr_willis:

Funniest Pinky/Brain comment i heard was on a "Batman and Robin" eposiode. :)

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directhex|work:

sebrock, no, that's vvery old

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** directhex|work suspects sebrock isn't using 0.20.2 **

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sebrock:

directhex I am

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keith4:

is mythtv actually in an ubuntu repo?

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sebrock:

but I installed mythweb from ubuntu resp

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Dr_willis:

!botsnack

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Dr_willis:

:) no ubotu

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sebrock:

just worndering how I would go about to update it

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directhex|work:

sebrock, no, you're really not likely to be

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sebrock:

Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1

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directhex|work:

sebrock, what does "dpkg -l mythv-backend" say?

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sebrock:

see thats latest right

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directhex|work:

keith4, has been for years

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sebrock:

but it also says 0.20.2 for mythweb?

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directhex|work:

what does? you've refused to give the requested output

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juski:

morning all

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directhex|work:

and no, 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu3 is not 0.20.2

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directhex|work:

notice 0.20 and 0.20.2 are not the same thing

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keith4:

directhex|work: my myth backends are debian, so I have to use debian-multimedia

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sebrock:

directhex|work, is says 0.20.2

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juski:

directhex|work: really?

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juski:

;)

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sebrock:

as does --version: [17:40] <sebrock> Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1

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juski:

but they have so many numbers in common!

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juski:

sebrock: you're mistaken mate

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benlake:

is mythfilldatabase responsible for setting the channel call signs?

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juski:

that version is very very old

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sebrock:

what?

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juski:

sebrock: it's pre 0.20.2

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benlake:

after you retrieve your lineup of course.

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directhex|work:

sebrock, no, it doesn't. 0.20.2 is not an ubuntu version number. i'm going to put you on /ignore unless the next thing from you is the output from "dpkg -l mythtv-backend | grep ^ii"

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sebrock:

grep Ã®i?

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sebrock:

dpkg -l myth-backend gives:

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sebrock:

ii mythtv-backend 0.20.2–0ubuntu A personal video recorder application (serve

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juski:

sebrock: that's an ubuntu version number which should never be confused with mythtv version numbers

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directhex|work:

it's a start though. it means at least the main myth packages are 0.20.2

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juski:

now you've had two people who know what they're talking about tell you what's wrong...

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directhex|work:

dpkg -l mythweb | grep ^ii

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directhex|work:

there's no guarantee that a post-0.20.2 mythweb will work with a 0.20.2 backend, so mixing & matching isn't advised

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juski:

here comes the despair again....

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sebrock:

ii mythweb

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sebrock:

ii mythweb 0.20.2–0ubuntu0 Web interface add-on module for MythTV

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sebrock:

ok, I already have mythweb running

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sebrock:

everything works, I just thought an update could be nice

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sebrock:

so I do have 0.20.2 right?

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directhex|work:

yes. though that conflicts with the bit where you said you had 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu3

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sebrock:

see juski :P

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sebrock:

nono, this is what I find on packages.ubuntu.com

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sebrock:

sorry for the confusion

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sebrock:

so I cant actually update mythweb?

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sebrock:

I can't seem to get streaming from it working, says *file* is missing in directory, although it is not

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directhex|work:

flash streaming, you mean?

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sebrock:

nag starting with raw

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sebrock:

*naw

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directhex|work:

raw?

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sebrock:

mpeg that is

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sebrock:

this is a typical message I get when I click on a recording in mythweb: 5_20071003170500.mpg does not exist in the recordings directory.

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directhex|work:

i don't remember the specifics. some light tweaking of mythweb might be required

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directhex|work:

e.g. making sure it's aware of the right recordings directory, and your www-data user has rights to see the file

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sebrock:

I tried all that already....

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sebrock:

aw well have alook later on

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sebrock:

tnx anyway

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benlake:

alright, perhaps a different question. I have retrieved my channel information, run mythfilldatabase, and the program guide is accurate. The only piece missing is the channel names/call signs. Was mythfilldb supposed to do this or did I miss a step?

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hendrixski:

directhex|work, you are a genius! getting the host ip address instead of the name makes mplayer buffer it in 3/4 of a second instead of the 3 or so that it used to when it also had to resolve the name

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hendrixski:

thanks :-)

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Dagmar:

Now we wait for any one of the myriad of things that that can break to manifest

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benlake:

no one? is my question that horrendous? :)

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venger:

if you have a +15db gain cable tv signal booster but split it 4 ways what gain would that potentially yeild per port?

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mkrufky:

venger: wouldn't you think, +3.75 dB ?

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mkrufky:

does anybody have a recommendation as per which NVidia card I should buy for my new mythfrontend? (PCIe x16) ?

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mkrufky:

looks like 7600 is well supported, but 8500+ has HD hardware decoding features (not yet supported) that may be supported in the future...

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Dr_willis:

mkrufky, whats the budget?

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mkrufky:

no budget :-)

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Dr_willis:

and how imporntant is noise..

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Dr_willis:

and heat. :)

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mkrufky:

although i'd prefer to spend < $100 ..... i'd buy a more expensive one if it's worth it for good reason

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Dr_willis:

Thers some decent nvidia Fanless cards out now. for like in the $50 range.

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jduggan:

i dont think myth needs that decent a card

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mkrufky:

i'd prefer less noise, and less heat, of course

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jduggan:

and nvidia pci-e is gonna be decent enough IMO

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jduggan:

s/and/any/

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Dr_willis:

5500,. or 5200 or somthing.. i think has a fanless design now.

[16:40:19]

mkrufky:

i dont think that they make 5200 / 5500 in PCIe

[16:40:32]

Dr_willis:

mkrufky, actually i THINK they do now.

[16:40:40]

Dr_willis:

it may be a different ## however.

[16:40:49]

mkrufky:

i know myth doesnt _need_ a super powered card, but i'd kinda like to buy something nice for forward-compatability

[16:40:54]

janneg:

mkrufky: afaik nvidia has no intentions to support HD decoding under linux

[16:40:56]

Dr_willis:

i cant keep up with nvidia stuff.. was looking the other day at cards and saw some pcie fanless cards.

[16:41:11]

mkrufky:

even if extra features are not yet supported, might be nice to have for the future anyway

[16:41:27]

mkrufky:

oh! ... ok that helps a lot janneg ... so then perhaps the 7600 series is a good bet

[16:41:29]

venger:

mkrufky i learned something, found a post: net result on our single port amp +15 -8dBmv for a 4-way splitter nets +7, a 4 port amp gains +7 but removes the 4-way splitter (add back the 8dBmV you lose through the splitter) net gain is a true +15 dBmV gain

[16:42:12]

venger:

so basically a 4 port +7 is better than a +15 if you are going to end up splitting the signal

[16:42:17]

janneg:

the my 6200 is to slow for the new opengl renderer at HD resolution

[16:42:19]

mkrufky:

can I trust a fanless card? ;-)

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bsdfox_:

sure

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bsdfox_:

fanless is great

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mkrufky:

my older mythfrontend was rebooting by itself, using a AGP 5200 ... i think it was heat, but im not sure.... i just moved to a new apartment, and i dont want to deal with that problem anymore

[16:44:08]

bsdfox_:

get a 7300LE for $30 on newegg

[16:44:18]

mkrufky:

LE .. hmm, less memory, probably

[16:44:20]

bsdfox_:

setup lm_sensors?

[16:44:32]

bsdfox_:

you can get 128mb w/ 512 turbocache

[16:44:41]

bsdfox_:

all you need for htpc

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mkrufky:

is that enough for the slick 3d screensavers? ;-)

[16:45:17]

bsdfox_:

one of my frontends has a 5200fx and one is waiting for the 7300le to get here :)

[16:45:19]

mkrufky:

i think i need to re-phrase my question:

[16:45:22]

janneg:

turbocache isn't supported by the linux drivers, or?

[16:45:33]

bsdfox_:

janneg: dunno

[16:45:43]

bsdfox_:

128mb is a lot of video ram for me

[16:45:46]

mkrufky:

all i actually need the card for is HD mythfrontend, but I move cards around all the time, so what I want to buy is the "most bang for the buck"

[16:45:49]

Dagmar:

It's not like it matters.

[16:45:55]

Dagmar:

TC isn't actually video memory.

[16:46:11]

Dagmar:

It's just burgling huge chunks of your *system* memory

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bsdfox_:

oh for HD I dunno what you'll need

[16:46:39]

bsdfox_:

might want to get a 8-series card like 8400 or something

[16:46:51]

Dagmar:

It won't make much difference

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mkrufky:

yes... as i understand, under myth, they're all just as good as each other

[16:47:07]

Dagmar:

If anything an 8xxx card would be more prone to driver issues

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bsdfox_:

I know 8-series has hardware decoding for hdtv

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Dagmar:

...which is completely not supported by the Linux driver.

[16:47:24]

mkrufky:

ah... so would you recommend instead, Dagmar, a 7600 ?

[16:47:31]

janneg:

which is definitely not supported by the linux driver

[16:47:38]

bsdfox_:

if you;re getting a 7 series just get the cheap one dude

[16:47:43]

Dagmar:

I would recommend going cheap on the video card for now and buying as much CPU as you can if you want HD playback

[16:47:58]

mkrufky:

7600 was ~ $80 — thats fine with me

[16:48:17]

Dagmar:

We might or might not get driver support for HD (more than likely we won't get it) but ther'es not that much a $30 video card can depreciate

[16:48:27]

mkrufky:

i already have the machine ready — i was using it for PCIe driver devel.... but now i want to convert it into my new frontend

[16:48:40]

mkrufky:

it's got a pentium D, dont remember the speed — it's surely fast enough

[16:48:50]

bsdfox_:

pentium D sucks

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mkrufky:

yeah, but it's good enough :-)

[16:49:03]

Dagmar:

It should still be fast enough

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bsdfox_:

doubt it

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xris:

bsdfox_: mine works great.

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mkrufky:

considering my old mythfrontend was an AMD athlon 2200+, and it did HD just fine, this should be an improvement

[16:49:40]

bsdfox_:

I can barely play full rate 1080 on my 3ghz core duo

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mkrufky:

er, 3200+

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xris:

bsdfox_: then something's definitely wrong

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mkrufky:

really? 1080 works fine on my machine... you have something else wrong then, bsdfox_

[16:50:06]

bsdfox_:

one of my frontends is a celeron 800 :D

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xris:

1.8Ghz core2 duo plays HD just fine. and so does a 2.4 Ghz pentium D

[16:50:43]

bsdfox_:

it was the bbc sample clip

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xris:

heck, a 2.4 Ghz pentium 4 can do it with a good video card.

[16:51:07]

xris:

bsdfox_: that's h.264... slightly different, and I'll grant that to you.

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mkrufky:

ok, so in summary — I should stay away from the nvidia 8xxx series, correct? and anything else should be fine?

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Dr_willis:

8xxx are high end and powerfull and hot,, and $$$

[16:51:37]

Dr_willis:

:)

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dr_willis:

i got a low end 8800 upstairs.

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Dagmar:

It's strictly a money issue

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Dagmar:

...as in there's no point in wasting it.

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Dr_willis:

8600 here in this MythTV box.. 5500 in my othe rfront end.

[16:52:11]

Dr_willis:

ati 9700 in my real junker machine. :)

[16:52:15]

Dagmar:

The only thing you will get for buying an 8xxx card for MythTV will be a marginally larger epenis.

[16:52:27]

** Dr_willis dances the happy dance. **

[16:52:42]

bsdfox_:

http://www.giusberto.ch/hdtv/BBC_H264_test6.ts

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venger:

here's and interesting thread about HD, at least the hardware portion since it isn't really about mythtv, I picked page 5 because I liked what Crackbone (dont know him) said about HD content. For those interested: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.p . . . pagenumber=5

[16:53:00]

mkrufky:

hmm... 8500 for $69, 8600 for $89 ... doesnt sound expensive to me

[16:53:05]

xris:

Dr_willis: I went the other way. pci 5200 in the mythbox, but it's a core2 quad.

[16:53:17]

xris:

granted, the mythbox now has a 6800 in it.

[16:53:33]

** xris grumbles about the quad core proc not working with his server mobo. **

[16:53:44]

mkrufky:

geforce 7600 512mb – 82.98 , geforce 7600 256mb – 63.99 ,

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Dr_willis:

when i built my last new machine.. went PciE :) so it got a nice new card... its my gamer box.. now the old gamer box is the Mythtv box.

[16:53:57]

Dr_willis:

the old MythTV box is now a front end.. and the old front end.. is a doorstop

[16:53:58]

Dr_willis:

:P

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my2keh:

hey anyone here use xscreensaver

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my2keh:

?

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mkrufky:

sounds like the "most bang for the buck" is one of those i pasted above.... if the 7600 is cooler (temperature) then the decision is simple

[16:55:04]

mkrufky:

but if it's the same heat between the 7600 and 8x00 , then i would tend to go for the lamborguini penis, 8xxx

[16:55:33]

mkrufky:

i mean... < $20 for a bigger penis, why not? ;-)

[16:55:50]

my2keh:

uhhh

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my2keh:

lol

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mkrufky:

(this was based on Dagmar's statement above)

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Dagmar:

Because $20 in a stripper's g-string will do better things for your REAL penis, that's why.

[16:56:14]

Dr_willis:

I go for a larger Diamater. :)

[16:56:34]

** mkrufky can do without the 20 .... **

[16:56:38]

Dr_willis:

And the Stippers around here now take Visa!

[16:56:48]

mkrufky:

is there any difference besides the price?

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siXy:

Hi, whats the interopability between 0.20-fixes and 0.21 SVN?

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mkrufky:

oh, driver stability — forgot that one ;-) .... so, 7600 w/ 512 MB is the one i think i'll buy

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siXy:

as in what are my chances of running a 0.21 FE on a 0.20-fixes BE

[16:57:25]

Dr_willis:

i consider noise a bigger issue also.

[16:58:22]

mkrufky:

i'd prefer a quiet machine, but... it's going to sit next to a loud machine anyway...... so not a big deal

[16:59:28]

my2keh:

so no one uses a screensaver here?

[16:59:39]

Dagmar:

siXy: Pretty close to that round number with the hole in the middle

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siXy:

Thought as much :)

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siXy:

and im guessing my chances of running a 0.21 slave backend are even lower right?

[17:00:41]

Dagmar:

Mixing and matching versions is generally a recipe for lose

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GreyFoxx:

there is no 0.21 just to be clear

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Dagmar:

Using nonexistant versions is completely not supported.

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siXy:

GreyFoxx: I mean the latest SVN

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GreyFoxx:

and no you wont be able to mix a svn trunk and 0.20-fixes

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bsdfox_:

mkrufky: I'd get the 8 series just in case hd decoding ever does come to linux :P

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CharlieSu:

anyone know much about HDTVs? I

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mkrufky:

bsdfox_: im debating it.... given that i found it for so cheap

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my2keh:

CharlieSu depend son what you want to know?

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CharlieSu:

anyone know much about HDTVs? I'm trying to decide if either of these are good or not.. I honestly don't knwo much about it because this is my first HDTV purchase.. http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do? . . . pCatg=5884#A http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do? . . . mp;fid=59685

[17:01:51]

mkrufky:

bsdfox_: although driver stability is also an important issue..... if 8xxx series is unstable, thats a good reason to stay away

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CharlieSu:

my2keh: any help would be appretiated

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siXy:

Is there a good way to use latest SVN with a stable backend? other option I was thinking of is doing a replicated mysql DB between stable and SVN... but that could lead to mess if SVN has even marginally different DB structure

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my2keh:

well philips and panny are both excellent brands

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GreyFoxx:

siXy: It really can't be done

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Dagmar:

What part of "can't mix and match versions" is eluding you?

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GreyFoxx:

diffrent database structures

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GreyFoxx:

different mythprotocol versions

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siXy:

GreyFoxx: ah well

[17:03:52]

Dagmar:

You can freaking hire some pakistani kid to write you a wrapper so they can talk to each other. That's what you can do.

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mkrufky:

gotta go to lunch ... bbs

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siXy:

CharlieSu: go to a shop and have a look at it then decide for yourself if you like the picture

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my2keh:

and of course I'm sure you looked at both

[17:04:36]

my2keh:

doh! siXy beat me to it heh

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siXy:

:P

[17:04:48]

my2keh:

I just bought a 50" Sammy, not here yet though!

[17:04:56]

CharlieSu:

siXy: i did.. and i liked both.. but i want to make a smart purchase.. somethign that will last longer...

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my2keh:

they both have the same number of inputs

[17:05:22]

siXy:

most plasma screens have a similar MTBF

[17:05:34]

my2keh:

yes, usually 60,000 hours

[17:05:45]

my2keh:

basically you'll WANT to buy a new TV before it blows up

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CharlieSu:

ok

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my2keh:

panny seems to have more powerful speakers. Doesn't matter if you have a sound system though

[17:06:04]

siXy:

allthough that declines rapidly if you start chucking Wii controllers at it

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my2keh:

LOL

[17:06:21]

my2keh:

Those damn mounting brackets are expensive though

[17:06:22]

CharlieSu:

yeah.. hah

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venger:

right thats 8hours per day for 20 years

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my2keh:

Have you read reviews on both of the TV's?

[17:07:00]

venger:

you could make a career outta watching a plasma

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Dagmar:

...and in the typical fashion of hideously expensive crap, it starts degrading WAY before the end of life

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my2keh:

I found the user reviews the most helpfull

[17:07:30]

my2keh:

The panny weighs 7lbs more

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my2keh:

there ya go

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my2keh:

lol

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my2keh:

go with that one

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my2keh:

haha

[17:08:01]

my2keh:

What kind of an input source did they have connected? (dvd, blue-ray, sat?)

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CharlieSu:

my2keh: i didn't see the reviews on the site...

[17:08:32]

my2keh:

I suggest you google the model numbers

[17:08:45]

venger:

my first and only HDTV so far is a 160lb 30" panny crt

[17:08:45]

my2keh:

Cnet usually has reviews on most models, and user's post their own reviews as well

[17:09:13]

my2keh:

The reason I went with the Sammy (other then picture of course)

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my2keh:

is that it had 3 HDMI's

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siXy:

i tend to find user reviews unhelpful... "wow this is soooo much better than my 19" black and white crt" just doesnt help me much

[17:09:53]

my2keh:

Some of the people go into great detail, but at the same time, some people have issues

[17:10:05]

my2keh:

There's no model that doesn't have a few bad apples

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CharlieSu:

yeah.. crap.. haha.. i hate spending this much money and not getting something that is going to last a long long time

[17:10:46]

my2keh:

Interesting, the Panny can do 1080P, not that there is much content on there

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CharlieSu:

do yall use a UPS w/ your plasma?

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my2keh:

CharlieSu, Mine just cost me $2199 heh

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my2keh:

I use a UPS, but not specifically for my TV itself

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siXy:

UPS? no if the power is off its unlikely i will be watching tv – plus you would need a beast of a ups to feed a plasma

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my2keh:

lol

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siXy:

surge protecter? yeah

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CharlieSu:

siXy: UPS for power surges and stuff... clean power basically

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my2keh:

I find a UPS is good, because there isn't a constant good feed

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AndyCap:

ups's that provide clean power are perversely expensive

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Dr_willis:

I got my PC hooked into the same line as the Dishwasher... :)

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my2keh:

Clean vs consistent are 2 different things heh

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siXy:

I would get a decent surge protector and leave it at that myself

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Dagmar:

Damn dude you really hate your machine

[17:12:56]

Dr_willis:

THe dishwasher keeps crashing...

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Dr_willis:

:P

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my2keh:

lol

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my2keh:

i just need to figure out this screen saver thing before I get my plasma

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Dr_willis:

well time for work... byee....

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siXy:

eeeep "BIOS ROM checksum error"

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siXy:

well im guessing i wont be testing the SVN then

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siXy:

out of interest, do slave backends of identical version and patchlevels work well? last i tried them there were stability issues

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venger:

what screen saver thing you working on my2keh?

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my2keh:

venger

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my2keh:

looking to put a screen saver in

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my2keh:

and I can do that

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my2keh:

make it turn on after X minutes

[17:37:25]

my2keh:

but it won't go away LOL

[17:37:34]

my2keh:

like on push of a remote button

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venger:

did you setup irxevent/lircrc to send a keypress or the like?

[17:40:41]

my2keh:

hmmm I have an lircrc file, for the remote itself

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my2keh:

I didn't change it or anything

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my2keh:

i was assuming I could just press any button? Like up/down etc

[17:41:02]

my2keh:

no?

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sebrock:

directhex|work, I'm looking at this mythweb / streaming thing again

[17:42:52]

sebrock:

And a fact is that it does read the .png thumbnails correctly

[17:43:07]

sebrock:

which indicates that is actually has permissions etc. to this dir

[17:43:24]

sebrock:

still says it cant find the mpeg when clicking on it to try to stream

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venger:

my2keh, i would think so, but there must be more to it. Are you using irxevent or native mythtv lirc support?

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Patina:

Where do you get irxevent? It's not in my debian etch.

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venger:

Patina, did you apt-cache search irxevent and seen lirc-x?

[17:50:05]

Patina:

I did not search for lirc-x

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Patina:

Aah, I used aptitude to search.

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Patina:

apt-cache tells me its in lirc-x.

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robbins876:

i think blowing up a balloon to the point that it pops is horrifying

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directhex:

robbins876, so is when you do it to a condom

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robbins876:

who does that?

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directhex:

robbins876, boed kids

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directhex:

bored

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Ryushin:

my2keh: Just curious, why are you looking at plasma instead of DLP/LCD?

[17:53:39]

robbins876:

any time a balloon pops i get crazy scared

[17:53:55]

robbins876:

my DLB is the best. I love it

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robbins876:

DLP

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venger:

if you blew up a condom and then died and the autopsy showed that you had spermicide on your lips, how would your loved ones feel?

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sebrock:

directhex, any other tips on getting streaming work

[17:54:46]

directhex:

sebrock, nope

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sebrock:

as I said, obviously www-data has access to the folder anyway

[17:54:51]

sebrock:

hmm

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sebrock:

damn

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Ryushin:

I prefer DLP as well. But the new LCDs that have the backlit white leds are going to be the best. Too bad they would cost so much to make something larger than 50".

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robbins876:

I got my 50" DLP for only 1169 with free shipping from amazon

[17:55:34]

robbins876:

samsung 5086w or something like that

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robbins876:

it was the deal of the century

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Ryushin:

I have 3 DLP's in the house. My first DLP is 50" from about 3 years ago. Still working great and still on it's first bulb even though I have about 11000 hours on it.

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venger:

Ryushin, is that what will be called SED panels?

[17:56:48]

Ryushin:

High Dynamic Range panels I believe.

[17:56:50]

Ryushin:

HDR

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Ryushin:

From what I understand, seeing HD using HDR is incredible.

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venger:

could be, but i wonder what downside the new tech brings to the table in comparison

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Ryushin:

Something like a 1:100,000 contrast ratio.

[17:57:56]

Ryushin:

The first generation consumed a lot of heat to drive all the white leds.

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venger:

produced?

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Ryushin:

I was reading early this spring samsung was brining out one for the general masses.

[17:58:52]

Ryushin:

The company that pioneered the technology made the demos that cost $50K each.

[18:00:10]

venger:

to be honest, my eyes dont need higher contrast ratios, things already look good. For LCD panels I'd like new tech to offer the same levels with the absense of anomalies such as uniform panel brightess, color shift, or IPS panels having a golden tint to them on dark screens, etc

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venger:

but i know you are referring more to the LCD TV's which I haven't really accessed how they fair in that area

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venger:

i suppose the sooner they come out, the sooner current tech prices plummit

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Ryushin:

Well, it looks like Dolby Labs bought Brightside which is who made the current HDR technology.

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Nik_Doof:

is there a script i can run to update mythvideo entries?

[18:28:16]

fryfrog:

what is the -option=qtpainter you add to mythtv-setup to use qt painter?

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stuarta:

greeting n hallucinations all

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fryfrog:

ThemePainter=qt it was :)

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siXy:

does anyone know if slave backends of identical version and patchlevels work well? last i tried them there were stability issues

[18:37:00]

stuarta:

that's what you normally run when you have a slave backend

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stuarta:

mixing versions isn't supported

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stuarta:

(myth versions that is)

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siXy:

stuarta: yeah.. but last i tried even with identical versions it didnt work well. whats it like with the current stable?

[18:38:44]

stuarta:

i only ever run head :) which is quite good atm too.

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.com/m6b215fa7

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fryfrog:

any idea what the heck that "SetInputAndFormat() failed" stuff is?

[18:45:06]

fryfrog:

my pvr500 tuners are not working :/

[18:45:31]

fryfrog:

and i'm not sure why it is trying to set to ATSC, since it is an NTSC card :/

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stuarta:

you changed your kernel recently?

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chuk:

where did juski's website go?

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stuarta:

dunno, it's not in the dns anymore

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jduggan:

he rmd it

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jduggan:

just for kicks

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jduggan:

i was hoping someone here had his themes mirrored? ;)

[18:55:52]

laga:

you can get them from svn

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laga:

at least that's supposed to be working

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fryfrog:

stuarta: nothing major, maybe a small ubuntu kernel update?

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fryfrog:

humm, did my ivtv module need recompile maybe?

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stuarta:

well the later kernels have ivtv merged in

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laga:

fryfrog: uh, i saw such reports in trac and on mythtv-dec at least. check there.

[18:57:25]

stuarta:

with slight differences in the interface

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fryfrog:

2.6.20

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fryfrog:

2.6.20-16-generic more specifically

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stuarta:

IIRC that's one of the ones that has ivtv merged, and hence has the 1.0 API

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jams:

thought it was 2.6.22 that had ivtv merged

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stuarta:

hence IIRC <- i may be wrong

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fryfrog:

from reading ivtvdriver.org, i got the impression it was 2.6.22 also

[19:01:02]

janneg:

it is 2.6.22

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laga:

ubuntu feisty comes with ivtv, though

[19:01:12]

laga:

AFAIK

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laga:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

juski was last seen 2 hours 54 minutes 32 seconds ago

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laga:

anyone know what pissed him off this time?

[19:01:40]

fryfrog:

yeah, that is true

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fryfrog:

i should remove the 0.10.5 drivers i installed :/

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Ryushin:

fryfrog: Can you watch livetv on the pvr-500 but not record shows?

[19:03:09]

fryfrog:

Ryushin: i'm at work, so i'm doing this testing remotly

[19:03:14]

fryfrog:

plus i don't use livetv :p

[19:03:29]

fryfrog:

it worked before i updated to svn head (from svn head about 1 month old)

[19:03:31]

Ryushin:

Well, it was working in livetv for me, but not for recordings.

[19:03:45]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

what'd you do to fix?

[19:03:54]

Ryushin:

I had my TV set for ATSC and I had to change it to NTSC under mythtv-setup, general.

[19:03:56]

fryfrog:

i just tried nuking all cards and re-adding, but that didn't work

[19:04:00]

fryfrog:

ahhH!

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fryfrog:

thats it

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fryfrog:

brb

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fryfrog:

i coudln't remember where that setting was

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directhex:

laga, the unfairness that 1+1==2 ?

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Ryushin:

I had it set for ATSC for the last two years and it's been working fine. Something new in SVN changed.

[19:04:44]

Ryushin:

Yea, I spent an afternoon trying to figure it out.

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fryfrog:

i could see it tryign to do "ATSC" in the log and i was like, wtf it is NTSC

[19:05:25]

fryfrog:

but id o have an ATSC card :/

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fryfrog:

i hope it doesn't bone that one

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stuarta:

ATSC != NTSC

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stuarta:

NTSC is like PAL

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stuarta:

ATSC is like DVB

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janneg:

with less resolution und ugly colours

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Ryushin:

ATSC is still working fine for me.

[19:07:15]

Ryushin:

I mean, I have a ATSC TV, I should be able to select it and have it work.

[19:07:33]

Ryushin:

Actually, I don't know why that setting is even there.

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fryfrog:

Ryushin: thanks, that did it

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fryfrog:

stuarta: I know ATSC != NTSC

[19:08:01]

stuarta:

it does depend on what you are trying to *capture* not what your *tv* is

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fryfrog:

my backend has 2x DVB (ATSC) cards and 2x PVR500 (NTSC)

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stuarta:

fryfrog: not everyone does :)

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fryfrog:

ah, true

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fryfrog:

aparantly, when set to "ATSC" it sends ATSC to the PVR500 which of course doesn't work

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stuarta:

funnily enough no

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fryfrog:

i've set to "NTSC" now and those two inputs don't complain, but... what happens when one of the ATSC DVB cards fires up?

[19:09:22]

fryfrog:

does it get sent an NTSC command and die?

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stuarta:

isn't that setup a per card thing?

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Ryushin:

fryfrog: My two ATSC cards work fine after changing it to NTSC.

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fryfrog:

Ryushin: nice

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fryfrog:

stuarta: yes, but it ignored it

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stuarta:

hah!

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fryfrog:

my PVR500's were set to "us-cable" as was the lineup

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Ryushin:

Yea, it was a weird error. I tried all sorts of things to try and fix it. Only by a fluke did I think, what the heck, I'll change it.

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janneg:

fryfrog: the DVB API has no set standards call

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fryfrog:

ahhhhh

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fryfrog:

I picked ATSC cause I like HD :)

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fryfrog:

guess it doesn't really matter much

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janneg:

so it will be ignored for the cards. I think it was used for old v4l pcHDTV driver

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SarahEmm:

afternoon

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laga:

2007-10–08 21:51:01.925 FilterManager: failed to load filter 'linearblend', no such filter exists

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laga:

what the hell.

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laga:

anyone else getting this on trunk?

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SarahEmm:

afternoon

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janneg:

laga: svn up, switch your distribution to something not debian based or chmod a+x MYTH_PREFIX/lib/mythtv/*

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SarahEmm:

oops

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laga:

janneg: <3

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laga:

janneg: YMMD. thx.

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fryfrog:

which solution did you choose?

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fryfrog:

and why would the *libs* need to be +x?

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janneg:

code in shared libs is executed

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janneg:

I would guess that laga didn't choose option 2

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hendrixski:

is there a way to set mythvideo to play through videos consecutively?

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hendrixski:

'cause I have miro downloading into the directory mythvideo reads from, and it'd be really cool to watch the clips back to back, instead of moving through the menu again next time. :-/

[20:09:13]

keith4:

join them together

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hendrixski:

keith4, as in... merge the movie files? :-p

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keith4:

yes

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keith4:

http://www.arsgeek.com/?p=435

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keith4:

for example

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hendrixski:

that's one way to do it I guess

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hendrixski:

so there's nothing in the settings that allows you to play it in series... I caught on the dev list that somebody is going to be working on something w/ mythvideo.... I should doublecheck if that isn't scheduled for inclusion

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laga:

janneg, fryfrog: i made them executable. been watching with the GF so i needed a quick fix. :)

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Chutt:

janneg, thanks for backporting that.

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hendrixski:

keith4, oohh... or maybe just make an asx playlist

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janneg:

Chutt: you're welcome

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hendrixski:

directhex|work, directhex, you mentioned asx files earlier.... I can't get those to play. any ideas? 'cause I could totally use them for playlists of my podcasts in mythvideo :-)

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siXy:

does anyone use the SVN as their main system? i'm quite keen on a few of the things in there but slightly put off by the WAF or an unstable system (although ofc i can get both the BE+FE to respawn on crash...)

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hendrixski:

siXy, the testers use the latest SVN for their main system... it's generally not recomended for casual users

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hendrixski:

siXy, though, it is recomended that you become a tester :-)

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siXy:

hendrixski: I'm a UNIX admin by trade so I wouldnt quite describe myself as a casual user... but I have very little C

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siXy:

So I'm really asking if its usebale by someone with a fair bit of *nix experience but no real ability to code fixes to problems

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hendrixski:

siXy, you don't have to be a programmer to test stuff out. Just run the latest cutting edge stuff, and if it breaks, tell the friendly folks on #mythtv... post a log, etc. etc.

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hendrixski:

siXy, it's not stable if that's what you're asking. it's not hard... just... It's an adventure

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siXy:

there are many degrees of 'not stable' however – I was wondering roughly where in the spectrum it was at the minute

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hendrixski:

siXy, atm I think it's functional, has more features than the official release... just it segFaults every now and then

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hendrixski:

I don't use it though to be honest, I'm on .20.2 which is the stable release + fixes

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siXy:

hendrixski: thats pretty much what I wanted to hear :) thanks

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hendrixski:

siXy, give it a spin. you'll be glad you did

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fryfrog:

siXy: you might do the svn -fixes branch

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fryfrog:

it'd be like 0.20.2 with fixes

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fryfrog:

i use svn head myself too, but i just only upgrade every month or so

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fryfrog:

when it is stable, i just keep it for a while till i decide i want to see what is new :)

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siXy:

fryfrog: thanks I will try that

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bsdfox_:

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siXy:

Until earlier today I had a seperate machine to try it out on – but on a reboot BIOS developed a checksum error and now it doesnt like me anymore

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soto:

Is there a way to browse xmltv.xml listings without a MythTV installation?

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keith4:

soto: isn't it just an xml file?

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keith4:

I thought that was the idea

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soto:

keith4: You can't practically browse the raw xml

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keith4:

sure you can

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keith4:

open it in FF

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soto:

keith4: Oh man

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** keith4 grins **

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keith4:

in debian, there's a package called 'xmltv-gui' that sounds like it might do what you want

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keith4:

er... someone tell him that if/when he comes back

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hendrixski:

lol, most people hear having to read XML and they assume they have to learn Yiddish or something

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Yggdrasil:

hello can somone help me with this

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Yggdrasil:

Table './mythconverg/eit_cache' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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siXy:

mysqlcheck --help [or soemthing like that]

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siXy:

try mysqlcheck --auto-repair but you may need to do a more comprehensive repair

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Yggdrasil:

i got it fixed

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fryfrog:

i can't imagine if my IRC read to me :/

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drgeb:

hi, when I go into the Mythtv Backend Setup specifically option 2. Capture Card menu this gui freezes when I select any of the sub options available. How can I trace the issue or reason why this occuring ?

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Yggdrasil:

i often run mythtv-setup -v

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Yggdrasil:

will give you more output

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Yggdrasil:

especially if you ssh in and start that from another computer

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drgeb:

wow -v is interesting I get "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 170" but then also "Missing argument to -v/--verbose option"

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siXy:

What are availibale options for --cpu and --tune? -O2 doesnt work... i686 does but that disables MMX

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siXy:

drgeb: do --help. you need to sepcify a verbosity level

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drgeb:

cool!! Thanks siXy I was able to trace the issue and delete and readd the card database somehow got corrupted

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siXy:

nps

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drgeb:

one question I have is now that zap2it does not support users to get free programs anymore is there another site or way I can get program listings for my ATSC terrestial channels ?

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siXy:

i think theres something on mythtv.org about that

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siXy:

personally I use EIT so I dont have that issue

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drgeb:

whats EIT ?

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stuarta:

program information

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stuarta:

and zap2it stopped about a month or so ago...

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drgeb:

yep they really stopped on Friday right after I joined on Saturday I got an email back from them saying they stopped

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siXy:

drgeb: DVB channels transmit roughly 7 days of EPG data nowadays (well here they do anyway) which isnt a well written as the stuff you can get via XMLTV grabers, but is less prone to issues

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stuarta:

those who needed zap2it have no useful EIT data

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stuarta:

or very little

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RyanH:

Is it nessicary to remove my sources when switching to the multirec branch?

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drgeb:

interesting so you can also setup XMLTV grabbers to get these program listings ?

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siXy:

drgeb: be wary of my info on this matter – things vary a lot by country and I dont live in the same one as you

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siXy:

but in the UK you can, yes. look on mythtv.org for a possible replacement to zap2it

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janneg:

RyanH: no, but you should recreate your capture cards

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siXy:

well its bedtime. night all

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laga:

re

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laga:

stuarta: oh noes. did zap2it shut down?

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fryfrog:

oh noz, it did???

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laga:

omg omg omg

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stuarta:

catastrophe!!!!! </sarcasm>

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Cyberai:

does anyone know of a way to change the "start recording this show X minutes early" and "stop recording X minutes late" settings from the web interface?

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stuarta:

keep clicking, you'll find it

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Cyrexion:

hey guys, what is the default user for accessing mythweb?

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rdvon:

I was wondering if I could use mythtv with my radeon all in wonder 9650..

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rdvon:

I was wondering if I could use mythtv with my radeon all in wonder 9650..

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stuarta:

wish you luck trying to find linux drivers for that

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rdvon:

wow.

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rdvon:

DER.

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rdvon:

http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html

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stuarta:

that'll be for the output side, the input side is the hard part.

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rdvon:

er.. help? :(

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laga:

rdvon: talk to ATI?

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laga:

if they tell you they dont support linux, dont buy from them anymore...

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rdvon:

http://gatos.sourceforge.net/

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rdvon:

:P

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stuarta:

it's generally accepted at this point in time that AIW cards are a lost cause.

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stuarta:

feel free to prove this wrong

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rdvon:

hehe... sorry for my like of knowledge on abbrevations.. but.. AIW?

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laga:

rdvon: "all in wonder" :)

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stuarta:

All In Wonder

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rdvon:

:D

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stuarta:

be aware that you are in for pain trying to get it working

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rdvon:

I've gotten my x1300 working under linux before... I can do this.

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stuarta:

if you can get it working under linux

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stuarta:

then you can try myth

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rdvon:

I have though.. just not the tv input..

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stuarta:

sounds promising

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rdvon:

it was easy too.. just following steps in xor.conf

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rdvon:

*xorg

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rdvon:

I will prove all of you wrong!

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sjkwizardone:

where i can get an EASY guide for configure mythtv?

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stuarta:

looked on the website?

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sjkwizard:

yes but i don't find an EASY guide...

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fryfrog:

sjkwizard: mythtv isn't easy, if you need easy and nothing else will work, you may want to take a look at TiVo or what ever your cable/sat co offers.

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stuarta:

installing myth isn't quite like installing a light bulb

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fryfrog:

the internet isn't like a dumptruck!

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stuarta:

more like a toilet, generally full of shit

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fryfrog:

ahahah

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sjkwizard:

what mean " Got error: 1045: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@localhost"?

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sjkwizard:

what i have to do?

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Cyrexion:

you using mythtv / mythtv as user / pass ?

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xris:

sjkwizard: ubuntu?

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venger:

I've got a few cable tv wires lying aroud, how can you easily distinguish RG-6 from RG-59? something with the braid on the shielding?

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mzb_d800:

thickness?

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