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| [00:00:28] | sphery: | yeah, I'm talking more about the ability to precisely control how playback is performed. |
| [00:00:30] | Ryushin: | I always thought the interface was just fine. Especially considering the amount of control you have. |
| [00:00:59] | sphery: | Ryushin: Fine for you is not necessarily fine for the unwashed masses. |
| [00:01:34] | sphery: | But, as I'm not a UI guy, I don't have any ideas for how to make it better, so I'll leave that to others. |
| [00:01:37] | Ryushin: | Oh, I see it now. Filters and such are now part of the resolution settings and such. What a good idea. |
| [00:01:50] | sphery: | In the meantime, I'm pestering xris with trivial patches. :) |
| [00:02:08] | twodogs34: | when bringing up the electronic program guide, is it supposed to show the 4 listings surrounding the channel currently being viewed? |
| [00:02:23] | fryfrog: | how is svn head, at this moment? |
| [00:02:28] | fryfrog: | decently useful/stable? |
| [00:02:37] | fryfrog: | or have some big changes gone in recently and are smoothing out? |
| [00:02:42] | sphery: | twodogs34: you mean it's showing 5 channels at once? That's the proper behavior if you tell it to specify 5 channels on the EPG. |
| [00:03:02] | Ryushin: | Man, there is a lot of options now. :) |
| [00:03:29] | sphery: | Ryushin: yep. Needs cleaning up for most users. |
| [00:03:38] | twodogs34: | its showing 5 channels as it should, but they are always the first 5 channels in my guide, regardless of the channel im watching |
| [00:03:55] | fryfrog: | oh, you mean it doesn't *start* on the channel you are on? |
| [00:04:06] | sphery: | Also had some issues (i.e. canceling puts in a blank entry, reordering doesn't seem to work), but I haven't had a chance to look into that. |
| [00:04:18] | twodogs34: | right, it always starts at the bottom |
| [00:04:22] | Ryushin: | For Video Renderer, there is xv-blit, opengl, xlib, xshm, directfb, directx, quartz-blit. I assume the last two entires are for windows and osx. So which one should provide the highest quality? |
| [00:04:43] | fryfrog: | Ryushin: are you using svn head or the vid branch? |
| [00:04:50] | Ryushin: | svn head |
| [00:04:57] | sphery: | twodogs34: Oh. That's because it doesn't know what channel you're on because you have a configuration issue in video sources/input connections/channels. It probably won't actually record anything either (only LiveTV will work). |
| [00:05:03] | fryfrog: | for testing or as your "production" mythtv system? |
| [00:05:12] | sphery: | twodogs34: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [00:05:33] | twodogs34: | thanks for the tip |
| [00:06:26] | Ryushin: | Does chromakey osd renderer work in software now? I thought that was only for XvMC. |
| [00:06:42] | tcpsyn: | I just bought a house. |
| [00:06:54] | tcpsyn: | Theres a 100 foot CB Tower in the back yard. |
| [00:06:56] | Bearcat: | tcpsyn: whoooo! Ebay! :P |
| [00:07:56] | tcpsyn: | oh dude... it's not going anywhere |
| [00:08:04] | tcpsyn: | ever. |
| [00:08:13] | Bearcat: | tcpsyn: no i meant he house buying part |
| [00:08:21] | tcpsyn: | ebay homes? |
| [00:08:22] | tcpsyn: | heh |
| [00:08:26] | fryfrog: | tcpsyn: wow, nice |
| [00:08:32] | Bearcat: | that is cool thought |
| [00:08:40] | tcpsyn: | It's a pretty cool tower. |
| [00:08:43] | fryfrog: | you can take over the world with a tower that tall :) |
| [00:08:45] | Ryushin: | Is there a list of the new filters features? The example of custom filters is ivtv,denoise3d. |
| [00:08:55] | tcpsyn: | it's insane. Like... a cell tower in my back yard. |
| [00:08:55] | fryfrog: | maybe put up a huge, omni directional wireless antenna :) |
| [00:09:39] | tcpsyn: | Not much reason for me to use cable |
| [00:09:49] | tcpsyn: | I mean... aside of the internet access. |
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| [00:09:57] | tcpsyn: | would it be cheaper to use a satelite for internet? |
| [00:09:58] | tcpsyn: | hrm. |
| [00:10:09] | tcpsyn: | I got this ginormous tower, and nothing to do with it. |
| [00:12:15] | Bearcat: | tcpsyn: gigantic hdtv antenne? |
| [00:12:44] | sphery: | lease it to a phone company for a cell-phone antenna? :) |
| [00:13:13] | sphery: | (they'd actually put up their own, but I hear they pay a lot for the little bit of land they use) |
| [00:13:51] | fryfrog: | my mom's church gets 40k/year |
| [00:14:14] | fryfrog: | i'd be happy to let em have some of my land for 40k/yr :p |
| [00:14:23] | sphery: | nice... |
| [00:15:39] | sphery: | xris: I've reconsidered the optional list of illegal chars. With escaping, order-dependency, etc., I think it's too dangerous. |
| [00:15:52] | sphery: | I can always hack my local copy if it bothers me enough. |
| [00:16:29] | Ryushin: | Which video render looks better? xv-blit, opengl, xlib, or xshm? |
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| [00:20:30] | tcpsyn: | I don't know much about OTA programming |
| [00:21:04] | tcpsyn: | I'd be able to get fox and abc and stuff, but not the cable channels right? |
| [00:23:40] | sphery: | right |
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| [00:24:56] | sphery: | I have OTA only and get ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW, MyTV, PBS, plus channels from other "independent" stations (most of which are garbage). |
| [00:25:27] | Bearcat: | xris: did you ever downgrade your nvidia to see if that fixed it |
| [00:26:36] | sphery: | The only thing I miss is Food, History, and a little bit of Discovery and TLC (though not so much with their current programming). I would miss SciFi, but I actually buy the SciFi shows I like to watch on DVD (which is better than recording with an analog capture card, anyway). |
| [00:29:00] | mchou: | tcpsyn: netflix is better than cable :) |
| [00:29:34] | mchou: | you just have to wait for the DVDs of the shows to come out is all |
| [00:29:50] | tcpsyn: | mchou, yeah, I got netflix too. |
| [00:29:56] | tcpsyn: | seems kinda dumb to have both netflix and cable. |
| [00:30:04] | tcpsyn: | especially since all the shows I like are broadcast anyway |
| [00:30:08] | mchou: | sometimes I think netflix is better than cable |
| [00:30:20] | mchou: | in fact most times |
| [00:30:21] | sphery: | mchou: I agree. I'd get NetFlix (or equivalent) before cable any day. |
| [00:30:22] | tcpsyn: | Netflix is pretty awesome |
| [00:30:36] | sphery: | I just can't believe they don't do video games, too. |
| [00:30:47] | mchou: | I watch all the interest HBO shows via netflix |
| [00:30:56] | tcpsyn: | oz |
| [00:30:57] | mchou: | interesting* |
| [00:31:05] | mchou: | nah, not a fan of OZ |
| [00:31:16] | sphery: | I'm a fan of the model behind gameznflix or however it's spelled, but I haven't subscribed to either. |
| [00:31:30] | mchou: | but oldies like Sopranos, 6ft. under, etc |
| [00:31:31] | tcpsyn: | gamefly? |
| [00:31:51] | sphery: | http://gameznflix.com/ |
| [00:32:00] | sphery: | does gamefly have movies? |
| [00:32:10] | tcpsyn: | I'm into prison break and 24 and that jazz. criminal minds.. it seems like shows all of a sudden got good in the last few years. |
| [00:32:30] | mchou: | bah, 24 went downhill last season |
| [00:32:35] | sphery: | I agree that in the last 5 years, broadcast TV has gotten much better. |
| [00:32:51] | mchou: | you know why that is, right? |
| [00:32:55] | sphery: | why? |
| [00:33:00] | sphery: | competing with cable channels? |
| [00:33:07] | mchou: | screenwriters went on strike..... |
| [00:33:11] | sphery: | really? |
| [00:33:18] | sphery: | lol |
| [00:33:31] | mchou: | then came all the reality shows....(no screenwriters needed) |
| [00:33:36] | tcpsyn: | right. |
| [00:33:41] | tcpsyn: | I suppose it's kinda like gas. |
| [00:33:54] | tcpsyn: | They can nail us so hard ... that giving us a mediocre deal feels awesome. |
| [00:34:04] | mchou: | and when reality shows burned out.....writers came back with vengenence |
| [00:34:24] | sphery: | Yeah. It seems that gamefly is the games equivalent of NetFlix. GamezNFlix is the union of gamefly and netflix (leaving inventory/selection out of the equation) |
| [00:34:35] | tcpsyn: | heh |
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| [00:35:25] | sphery: | Though I have to say that gameznflix "won't work with Firefox, possibly requires Flash" website sucks. |
| [00:35:42] | sphery: | nothing is clickable on the page. |
| [00:35:49] | mchou: | it's about to happen again |
| [00:36:04] | mchou: | screenwriters are about to go on strike AGAIN |
| [00:36:09] | tcpsyn: | why |
| [00:36:24] | sphery: | that's not cool. |
| [00:36:51] | sphery: | Perhaps it's because of all those people stealing their shows by recording them on TiVo's and their ilk. |
| [00:36:51] | mchou: | This time I dunno whther it's just hollywood or everyone...... |
| [00:37:04] | tcpsyn: | oh wow |
| [00:37:14] | tcpsyn: | Metallica style |
| [00:37:47] | mchou: | http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www. . . . Ic5Q25E5Q5Ch |
| [00:37:55] | mchou: | registration required |
| [00:38:22] | mchou: | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14980841 |
| [00:38:39] | sphery: | that worked... Put no_flash in the URI and got into the site... :) |
| [00:38:47] | tcpsyn: | Networks have ordered extra episodes of some shows and they have non-union reality shows waiting in the wings. |
| [00:38:55] | mchou: | lol |
| [00:39:02] | mchou: | crappy reality shows |
| [00:39:16] | sphery: | (I'm talking to myself about the GameZnFlix site, BTW, not the registration required site you mentioned.) |
| [00:39:49] | sphery: | No... No more reality shows, please. |
| [00:39:54] | mchou: | "Screenwriters are convinced that they never received their fair share of money from the bustling DVD market, for example, and are demanding a bigger slice of earnings from the new media industry." |
| [00:40:06] | sphery: | Oh well. It will give me a lot more time to hack on Myth if reality makes a comeback. |
| [00:40:11] | mchou: | just what we were talking about, the netflix model :) |
| [00:40:29] | sphery: | Wow. I can't believe they don't get a share of the DVD profits. |
| [00:40:38] | tcpsyn: | that's pretty lame |
| [00:40:50] | sphery: | They should strike (and I'll catch up on the last 3 years of movies that I've missed because of the good TV :). |
| [00:40:50] | mchou: | sphery: considering it's like "free money" to the studio :) |
| [00:40:57] | sphery: | No joke. |
| [00:41:18] | sphery: | I thought I was being all nice to everyone involved in the production by buying DVD's of the shows I like. |
| [00:41:22] | mchou: | sphery: making dvd once the movie is already made represents very little incremental cost |
| [00:42:12] | sphery: | After all, there was that add from the MPAA that showed all the "normal" people (not the rich celebrities) that get hurt when people pirate DVD's, so I figured they were all getting their share. |
| [00:42:22] | mchou: | lol |
| [00:42:44] | mchou: | MPAA rips EVERYONE off. equal opportunity |
| [00:42:44] | xris: | Bearcat: haven't downgraded.. too lazy/busy |
| [00:42:52] | sphery: | Seems that the studio gets the normal-people's share and the normal people just get a measly salary/hourly wage... |
| [00:43:03] | mchou: | sphery: yup |
| [00:43:21] | mchou: | sphery: sweat of the brow business model |
| [00:43:39] | mchou: | I'd like to be a fat cat too |
| [00:43:41] | Bearcat: | xris: how can you stand not having mythtv operational? |
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| [00:43:54] | xris: | Bearcat: not my primary frontend |
| [00:43:56] | sphery: | it's only his alternate frontend |
| [00:44:08] | mchou: | Bearcat: simple. it's always under development :) |
| [00:44:08] | Bearcat: | xris: ahh |
| [00:44:40] | sphery: | He's like the boss in The Office who has his backup "World's Greatest Boss" mugs in case the one he's using gets broken. :) |
| [00:44:58] | Bearcat: | i just wish i could figure out how to tell mythtv to use my inputs 3 and 4 for audio capture. But that's probably an alsa thing and not a mythtv thing |
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| [00:45:47] | sphery: | Bearcat: inputs 3 & 4? |
| [00:46:27] | Bearcat: | sphery: yeah. 1 and 2 are balanced xlr inputs. I have an m-audio delta 1010lt |
| [00:49:23] | sphery: | Oh. Sounds like an ALSA issue. Remember that Myth uses the OSS API, so you'll either have to set it up to use those by default in your ALSA conf file or use the ALSA OSS wrapper (aoss) to call Myth with the appropriate options specified in your ALSA conf file. |
| [00:49:53] | sphery: | The latter approach is easier to configure, but the first could "fix" all OSS apps without having to use "aoss mythfrontend" etc. |
| [00:51:04] | mchou: | sphery: huh?? |
| [00:51:09] | cyrexion: | hey guys, I moved all my recordings to an external drive, installed knoppmyth on another drive from scratch... is there a way I can move those old recordings back into /myth/tv and have mythtv recognize them. at the moment, nothing is showing in "recorded videos" |
| [00:51:28] | mchou: | sphery: not if you comfile myth --with-alsa |
| [00:51:34] | mchou: | compile* |
| [00:51:45] | cyrexion: | is it a matter of re-entering all the recorded videos in the database? |
| [00:51:45] | sphery: | Hmmm. GameZnFlix has the same price as NetFlix ($1 cheaper for the 2-item option), but has games and movies... |
| [00:52:09] | sphery: | mchou: the ALSA support in Myth is /only/ playback support. For recording, it only uses the OSS API. |
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| [00:52:38] | sphery: | There's a patch to add ALSA API-based recording. |
| [00:52:51] | Bearcat: | sphery: thanks. I'll look into that |
| [00:53:24] | sphery: | cyrexion: You did a backup before upgrading, right? As in section 23.5 of the HOWTO? |
| [00:53:30] | sphery: | If so, just do 23.7 |
| [00:53:51] | Bearcat: | brb |
| [00:56:04] | cyrexion: | sphery: i didn't do that, actually... oh well, live and learn :) |
| [00:56:06] | sphery: | cyrexion: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5 (original backup instructions), http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 (how to import stuff) |
| [00:56:53] | sphery: | Oh. Well, now you'll have to manually enter /everything/ in (using myth.rebuild_database.pl)--title, subtitle (episode title), description, ... |
| [00:57:01] | sphery: | How many shows are we talking about? |
| [00:57:10] | sphery: | Might be a /lot/ easier just to dump them in MythVideo. |
| [00:57:37] | cyrexion: | about 6/7 |
| [00:58:46] | sphery: | Your call then. I'd just re-record them (since you didn't back up your DB, you lost your recording history, anyway, so it doesn't know what you've already seen :). |
| [00:59:17] | sphery: | Or put them in MythVideo and watch them and delete them. |
| [00:59:34] | sphery: | if you want them in the TV section, use myth.rebuild_database.pl. |
| [01:05:37] | cyrexion: | thanks for the information... |
| [01:06:24] | sphery: | np. good luck. |
| [01:08:58] | Bearcat: | sphery: my other option is digital in, however my dishnwtwork stb is optical and my card is spdif. I assume a converter is expesive? |
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| [01:11:46] | mzb_d800: | hi all, I've started my long (11 hr) recording test ... but noticed a few problems: |
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| [01:12:27] | mzb_d800: | when watching the recording, if I get to close to the end, the frontend stops (just have to pause for a bit before I start playing) |
| [01:13:00] | mzb_d800: | 2. I scheduled the programme, but it didn't start recording ... so now I'm on manual record |
| [01:13:27] | mzb_d800: | however, I miscalculated slightly (didn't realise the race was starting/finishing 30mins late) |
| [01:13:40] | mzb_d800: | so I want to adjust the endtime of the manual record |
| [01:13:59] | mzb_d800: | is that possible? (or should I just try changing it in mysql?) |
| [01:14:45] | Bearcat: | sphery: even if i were to get alsa to treat the rca jacks as 1 and 2 would that work for myth? |
| [01:15:40] | sphery: | Bearcat: digital in probably wouldn't work. Myth can only get PCM audio, so--for those channels with AC-3/DTS--someone (i.e. the drivers) would have to decode for you. |
| [01:16:04] | Bearcat: | *nods* |
| [01:16:28] | sphery: | If you get ALSA configured such that /dev/dsp or /dev/adsp uses the inputs you want, then Myth will work. |
| [01:16:30] | Bearcat: | i might be able to get an rca-xlr converter cable, but that seems flacky |
| [01:16:38] | sphery: | Oh, and BTW, you did try /dev/adsp, right? |
| [01:16:46] | sphery: | "alternate" dsp |
| [01:16:48] | Bearcat: | no, let me try that |
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| [01:17:36] | sphery: | Although for the small cost of a PVR-150, you can avoid all the sound issues. :) |
| [01:17:43] | directhex: | erm... you DO know myth supports native alsa, right? |
| [01:17:47] | sphery: | (really I don't have stock in Hauppauge. :) |
| [01:17:55] | sphery: | directhex: only for playback... |
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| [01:18:08] | laga: | re |
| [01:18:24] | sphery: | mi |
| [01:18:31] | sphery: | fa, so, la, ti, do |
| [01:18:43] | mzb_d800: | hmm, ok, adjusted time in mysql and restarted backends |
| [01:18:49] | directhex: | i keep forgetting some poor souls need to capture audio signals, rather than just using pre-encoded audio data from a nice digital source |
| [01:18:51] | mzb_d800: | (during an ad;) |
| [01:18:53] | Bearcat: | Under alsa card 0 is my capture, card 1 is my soundcard under alsa. Does that mean that dsp is my capture and dsp1 is my soundcard or are they not aligned at all? |
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| [01:19:21] | sphery: | directhex: Yeah or even just using an encoder that captures audio for you. :) |
| [01:19:47] | Bearcat: | directhex: I'm stuck with satellite. There isn't a TV station within 60 miles of me and if there were there would be 2 mountian ranges between me and it |
| [01:20:25] | sphery: | Bearcat: can you do an "aplay -l" and post its output to pastebin.ca |
| [01:20:38] | Bearcat: | sure. Thank you for the help |
| [01:20:47] | directhex: | Bearcat, it would be nice if your satellite provider wasn't scared of silly things, and would sell an actual CAM for you to use |
| [01:21:08] | Bearcat: | directhex: indeed! But Dishnetwork..yanno |
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| [01:22:02] | Bearcat: | sphery: http://pastebin.ca/728488 |
| [01:22:09] | mzb_d800: | my 3rd question seems to be related to daylight savings (we went an hour forward last night) |
| [01:22:11] | mzb_d800: | 2007-10–07 12:22:19.448 JobQueue: GetJobsInQueue: Ignoring 'Flag Commercials' Job for 2006 @ 20071007100400 in Queued state. Endtime in future. |
| [01:22:27] | mzb_d800: | how can I fix this? |
| [01:22:32] | Bearcat: | sphery: i'd also like to get mythtv adjusting my softvol "Master" for volume during playback but that's another issue (i think) |
| [01:22:59] | mzb_d800: | all backends are (roughly) on the same time |
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| [01:23:19] | sphery: | Bearcat: and "arecord -l"? |
| [01:23:42] | Bearcat: | sphery: isn't that what i did in http://pastebin.ca/728488 ? |
| [01:23:59] | sphery: | I'm thinking I'm going to have to trust what you're saying even though it's a /really/ weird configuration |
| [01:24:11] | sphery: | you did "aplay -l". Now I need "arecord -l" |
| [01:24:13] | sphery: | :) |
| [01:24:22] | sphery: | capture devices, now. |
| [01:24:28] | Bearcat: | oh... i knew that...<.< >.> |
| [01:25:32] | Bearcat: | sphery: http://pastebin.ca/728491 (updated the post) |
| [01:27:45] | sphery: | good plan. |
| [01:27:52] | directhex: | the ultimate remote for mythtv! http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/pultius/ |
| [01:27:56] | sphery: | put them both on the same page |
| [01:28:19] | Bearcat: | hmmm? |
| [01:28:28] | sphery: | Have to say that's a really weird card design (it is just one M Audio, right?) |
| [01:28:33] | Bearcat: | yes |
| [01:28:38] | kdubya: | hey what are /dev/vbi devices |
| [01:29:02] | sphery: | for reading vertical blanking interval data (i.e. closed captions, etc.) |
| [01:29:11] | kdubya: | ah |
| [01:30:21] | sphery: | Bearcat: OK. I see now why it's card 0 and card 1. Your BTTV device is getting audio device 0 (/dev/dsp0), so /dev/dsp1 should be the M Audio. |
| [01:30:31] | Bearcat: | sphery: in mythsetup my only options for Audio Device are: /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 |
| [01:30:53] | sphery: | That applies for both capture and playback (/dev/dsp1 is M Audio for both). |
| [01:30:59] | Bearcat: | sphery: yeah. that seems to be the way it is. I have my audio out set to dsp1 and that seems to work fine |
| [01:31:06] | ** Bearcat nods ** | |
| [01:31:07] | sphery: | you can type a value into the mythtv-setup combo box. |
| [01:31:14] | Bearcat: | oh |
| [01:31:35] | sphery: | It's working with /dev/dsp1, but using the wrong input on the M Audio, right? |
| [01:32:27] | Bearcat: | well, i'm assuming it's trying to use inputs 1 and 2. Hoever i can't verify that as i have nothing that will hook up to them. inputs 1 and 2 are xlr/mic inputs. |
| [01:33:22] | sphery: | So when you say, "It's working," you mean it's allowing you to capture video, but there's no audio? |
| [01:33:29] | sphery: | If so, try /dev/adsp1 |
| [01:33:31] | Bearcat: | right |
| [01:33:45] | Bearcat: | i do not' have one in dev (i jsut checked) |
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| [01:34:15] | sphery: | Are you loading the ALSA OSS modules explicitly? |
| [01:34:20] | Bearcat: | hmm |
| [01:34:30] | Bearcat: | no, i'm not |
| [01:34:50] | Bearcat: | my asound.conf simply sets up dmix and loads a softvol master control |
| [01:35:17] | Bearcat: | here's a thought. |
| [01:35:48] | Bearcat: | could i just hook up the sound to my hdpc 5500 instead of the soundcard? |
| [01:36:23] | Bearcat: | or would the hd5500 have to be bridged to the sound card then? |
| [01:36:46] | sphery: | what's an hdpc 5500? |
| [01:36:54] | Bearcat: | my capture card.. |
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| [01:37:02] | sphery: | (did you mean pcHDTV HD-5500 both times?) |
| [01:37:06] | Bearcat: | yeah! |
| [01:37:09] | sphery: | OK. |
| [01:37:11] | EricDalquist: | I'm having problems with one station using a HDHomeRun I only get LaGv when trying to lock, signal strength is good at 91% and the channel works just fine via hdhomerun_config & VLC |
| [01:37:18] | sphery: | Yeah, you should be able to just hook audio directly to that. |
| [01:37:25] | Bearcat: | oh, cool |
| [01:37:28] | Bearcat: | let me try that |
| [01:37:31] | sphery: | I don't know if it supports stereo capture, though. |
| [01:37:33] | EricDalquist: | Anyone had similar issues with a HDHomeRun? |
| [01:37:43] | sphery: | I'd guess it does (since it's not a cheap < $10 BTTV card). |
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| [01:38:08] | Bearcat: | sphery: it does, or at least i have a slider for it in my alsamixer/kmix |
| [01:39:21] | sphery: | looks like the stereo jack on there is an output, not an input. |
| [01:40:40] | sphery: | Anyway, try hooking into it and set Myth to use /dev/dsp0 |
| [01:42:20] | Bearcat: | *nods* |
| [01:42:52] | Bearcat: | sphery: however, i just tried to hook the video out to my audio out on my stb, which will *not* work. |
| [01:43:29] | sphery: | that doesn't sound like it would work... :) |
| [01:44:45] | Bearcat: | yeah, i get nothing but static |
| [01:46:02] | laga: | !seen juski |
| [01:46:03] | MythLogBot: | juski was last seen 1 day 13 hours 43 minutes 38 seconds ago |
| [01:46:55] | Bearcat: | it's so wierd that this card has a video input, but no audio input |
| [01:48:54] | sphery: | Bearcat: Yeah. I think the audio device is only used with the internal tuner. You're using a set-top box with Composite/S-Video, right? |
| [01:49:02] | Bearcat: | sphery: yup |
| [01:49:18] | sphery: | Just a guess, though. I haven't set up analog on my HD-3000's because I have no analog source. |
| [01:49:55] | sphery: | (can get all the digital channels with perfect reception, but no reception of analog. digital cliff makes "class B" reception a thing of the past :) |
| [01:50:05] | Bearcat: | sphery: lucky bastard |
| [01:50:09] | sphery: | Yeah. |
| [01:50:20] | Bearcat: | i;m in Montana where we do not't have digital |
| [01:50:42] | Bearcat: | heck. I do not' even have analog |
| [01:50:43] | sphery: | Thought paying for DISH for the 4 years before my local stations were broadcasting digital was annoying. |
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| [01:51:37] | sphery: | But, that's a thing of the past, now, so I'll admit I'm very lucky. |
| [01:51:48] | Bearcat: | so... |
| [01:52:02] | sphery: | Too bad you don't have reception. OTA is so nice because of the lack of subscription. :) |
| [01:52:10] | Bearcat: | yeah, no doubt |
| [01:52:32] | Bearcat: | but i would miss some shows |
| [01:53:01] | EricDalquist: | I'm just switching to OTA using Myth ... have you ever had channel lock problems with OTA where you are? |
| [01:54:24] | Bearcat: | sphery: so, on another issue. How can i make myth use my alsa Master soft control? for volume changes? |
| [01:54:52] | Bearcat: | sphery: right now, it just uses my pcm volumes. If i adjust the master volume there is no difference |
| [01:56:10] | Bearcat: | sphery: the "use internal mixer" and "Master" don't seem to work either |
| [01:56:38] | Bearcat: | sphery: but i'd bet it's looking at oss stuff right? |
| [01:57:32] | sphery: | EricDalquist: Have you tried a channel re-scan? |
| [01:57:43] | sphery: | Bearcat: What's the name of your softvol master? |
| [01:57:59] | Bearcat: | sphery: "Master" i named it that with this in mind |
| [01:58:03] | sphery: | (or can you pastebin your ALSA conf--.asoundrc or asoudn.conf) |
| [01:58:12] | EricDalquist: | I had a few days ago but I just tweaked the antena more today so I'll give it a try |
| [01:58:19] | Bearcat: | sphery: sure. thank you |
| [01:58:34] | sphery: | EricDalquist: Definitely a good starting point. |
| [01:59:06] | sphery: | Also, watch for errors in the backend log file (and the mythtv-setup log/output when scanning). |
| [01:59:22] | Bearcat: | sphery: it's here: http://pastebin.ca/728517 |
| [01:59:23] | EricDalquist: | the logs are showing "Could not find channel 15_1 in TVCT" when trying to tune to which has gotten me sorting through more mailing list archives |
| [01:59:30] | EricDalquist: | I'll see what the log says when scanning |
| [01:59:43] | sphery: | EricDalquist: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . lagv;#287333 |
| [01:59:54] | sphery: | No help... No responses, but exact same thing. |
| [01:59:58] | EricDalquist: | yeah |
| [02:00:07] | EricDalquist: | that is the top hit in all my searches |
| [02:00:46] | sphery: | EricDalquist: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/288326#288326 |
| [02:01:11] | sphery: | You're not in Boise, are you? |
| [02:01:30] | EricDalquist: | nope, Madison, WI |
| [02:01:34] | mzb_d800: | I'm loving this time stretch :) |
| [02:01:54] | EricDalquist: | thanks for all the help btw |
| [02:02:30] | sphery: | In their case, it sounds like it was the station failing to broadcast properly. |
| [02:02:48] | sphery: | Eventually, they fixed the broadcast and all worked well in Myth. |
| [02:03:04] | sphery: | Looks like almost 2 weeks until it was fixed. |
| [02:03:11] | EricDalquist: | well the scan found the channel |
| [02:03:25] | sphery: | any errors (i.e. "no tables" or whatever?) |
| [02:03:29] | EricDalquist: | let me finish the backend update and try again |
| [02:03:34] | EricDalquist: | not in the GUI output |
| [02:03:50] | sphery: | most likely good, then. |
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| [02:04:01] | EricDalquist: | does the backend setup write to any log file? I'm not seeing it in the mythbackend.log |
| [02:05:36] | sphery: | you mean mythtv-setup? |
| [02:05:45] | EricDalquist: | yes |
| [02:05:46] | sphery: | It writes to stdout, but you can redirect it to a file. |
| [02:06:48] | EricDalquist: | heh well no luck with the rescan, still fails to lock with LaGv and now another channel that was working prior to the rescan is failing the same way |
| [02:06:54] | sphery: | So, if you started it with a GUI button or something, you probably lost the logs. |
| [02:07:13] | sphery: | Hmmm. |
| [02:07:15] | EricDalquist: | both are low in the frequency allocations (ch 11 & 19) |
| [02:07:44] | sphery: | that's the frequency ID, not the channel number, right? |
| [02:07:45] | EricDalquist: | but according to the hdhomerun output I'm seeing sig strength around 90 for each |
| [02:07:49] | EricDalquist: | yes |
| [02:08:01] | EricDalquist: | the ch11 is vhf and the 19 is low uhf |
| [02:08:06] | sphery: | might want to post to the -users list. Daniel is usually /very/ good at responding quickly. |
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| [02:08:22] | EricDalquist: | well do, thanks for the pointers |
| [02:08:31] | sphery: | sorry I wasn't any help, though. |
| [02:08:33] | sphery: | good luck. |
| [02:08:50] | EricDalquist: | eh, ruling things out is better than flailing in the dark |
| [02:08:52] | EricDalquist: | thanks |
| [02:08:54] | Bearcat: | sphery: well, should i post to the users list at this point or do you have any ideas? |
| [02:09:14] | Bearcat: | i do appreciate the help thus far |
| [02:09:58] | sphery: | Bearcat: I didn't forget about you. I was trying to figure out a way to make this work. I have /always/ in the past said it's impossible, and I'm now relatively certain I wasn't wrong (though I have one more thing to verify before I can be certain...) |
| [02:10:32] | Bearcat: | oh, i know you didn't forget me. EricDalquist seemed like he had more pressing issues |
| [02:10:39] | sphery: | IMHO, the best approach is to disable internal volume controls and instead set up your remote/keyboard to use an external volume control script. |
| [02:10:54] | Bearcat: | ahhh |
| [02:11:00] | Bearcat: | that's not a bad idea |
| [02:11:07] | sphery: | I'm not saying his was more important--just that I was able to "background" process while helping him. |
| [02:11:34] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/216149#216149 |
| [02:11:38] | Bearcat: | but adjusting the master volume in kmix/alsamixer does not affect the volume in myth. My initial feeling is that this is an oss vs alsa thing |
| [02:12:25] | sphery: | how do you use the softvol thing in other apps, then? |
| [02:12:35] | Bearcat: | they use alsa |
| [02:12:39] | Bearcat: | er..i think |
| [02:12:44] | Bearcat: | wait that makes no sense |
| [02:13:09] | sphery: | but your default playback device uses softvol and OSS uses the default device, so... |
| [02:14:20] | Bearcat: | well, adjusting the master volume makes no differnece to the play back volume in myth |
| [02:14:37] | Bearcat: | the fact that i can't see the video should make no difference |
| [02:16:15] | sphery: | Are you sure you're listening to the Myth playback and not the capture? I.e. listening to "real-time" audio versus the audio that's being decoded from the file that Myth recorded? |
| [02:16:28] | sphery: | wrong cabling gives the former. |
| [02:16:43] | Bearcat: | yes. I'm listening to a program that i recorded 7 days ago |
| [02:16:53] | sphery: | OK. |
| [02:17:06] | sphery: | It seems that is is not possible to redefine a non-user defined control. |
| [02:17:10] | sphery: | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Softvol |
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| [02:17:32] | sphery: | You can only create a Master if it doesn't already exist. |
| [02:18:01] | Bearcat: | right, and i've created one. It works with everything else. |
| [02:18:03] | Bearcat: | OH! |
| [02:18:04] | sphery: | So, if your M Audio has no master, what you're doing should work. If not, it will fail spectacularly... :) |
| [02:18:31] | Bearcat: | do you mean that the oss emulation expects to see a master, so you can't create a soft one? |
| [02:18:49] | Bearcat: | and yes, my M-Audio has no master control |
| [02:19:39] | sphery: | So that should actually work because of the design of your card. |
| [02:19:39] | Bearcat: | i note that when i select internal mixer, it gives me a "Master" option. I had assumed that was the softcontrol but it may not be. |
| [02:20:02] | Bearcat: | and i have mixer1 selected which *should* correspond to this card |
| [02:21:15] | sphery: | internal volume control always gives exactly 2 options, Master and PCM--even if the controls don't exist on the card (they're hard coded). |
| [02:21:33] | Bearcat: | *nods* |
| [02:21:38] | sphery: | Sounds like the right setup. |
| [02:22:02] | Bearcat: | so, then they are hardcoded to something that does not exist and may not be my softvol |
| [02:22:14] | sphery: | No. Hardcoded words. |
| [02:22:21] | Bearcat: | ahh |
| [02:22:28] | sphery: | Since your card doesn't have a Master control, you can create your own. |
| [02:22:32] | sphery: | Then it should be used. |
| [02:22:44] | sphery: | But if it doesn't exist, you should see a message in the frontend log |
| [02:23:44] | EricDalquist: | not to interject but I seemed to have solved my problem ... I went into the settings table and updated ATSCCheckSignalWait from 5000ms to 10000ms and did a re-scan |
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| [02:23:50] | EricDalquist: | both channels come in now |
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| [02:24:07] | Bearcat: | EricDalquist: sweet!! Congrats! |
| [02:24:10] | sphery: | EricDalquist: Cool. |
| [02:24:47] | sphery: | Bearcat: Just noticed something you've been saying over and over.... (I guess I need some sleep.) |
| [02:25:11] | sphery: | Bearcat: Change the Audio output device to "ALSA:default" (no quotes) and the mixer device to "default" (no quotes). |
| [02:25:14] | sphery: | Then try. |
| [02:25:18] | sphery: | Then it should work. |
| [02:28:11] | Bearcat: | WHOOOOOOO! |
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| [02:28:26] | Bearcat: | thank you so much!!! |
| [02:29:23] | sphery: | if only I had realized that you were saying you were using OSS for playback when you kept talking about OSS... :) |
| [02:29:38] | Bearcat: | sphery: you know, now that i think about it, i've seen those settings before. I wonder why they aren't hardcoded options in the drop downs |
| [02:29:44] | sphery: | I just assumed you were still talking about recording. |
| [02:30:12] | Bearcat: | well, i do not' *want* to be using oss for playback, but that seems to be what mythtv uses. |
| [02:30:24] | Bearcat: | thank you again. |
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| [02:30:48] | sphery: | In truth, it's just an API--the drivers are the same. |
| [02:30:48] | Bearcat: | Now if only i can get rid of the melted crayon look whenever i play back video i'll be almost all=set |
| [02:30:58] | Bearcat: | sphery: right, it's just a wrapper. |
| [02:31:05] | sphery: | If the API provides the functionality necessary, then there's no reason one is better than another. |
| [02:31:41] | sphery: | But, in your case, it's /much/ easier to get the functionality you want with the ALSA API (with OSS, you'd need some more configuration in asoundrc and need to use aoss) |
| [02:31:56] | Bearcat: | *nods* |
| [02:32:17] | Bearcat: | isnt' mythtv using the oss compatibility layer to do the playback? |
| [02:32:28] | sphery: | Now I know of exactly one way (probably the /only/ way) to get Myth to use softvol--and it requires buying a sound card that doesn't provide a Master volume control. :) |
| [02:33:01] | sphery: | If you put in ALSA:default/default, then no. It's using ALSA API. If you put in /dev/dsp & /dev/mixer, then yes. |
| [02:33:08] | Bearcat: | sweet |
| [02:33:26] | Bearcat: | ok.. have you any ideas on the melted crayon thing? |
| [02:33:27] | sphery: | But that compatibilty layer would need extra config in your case. |
| [02:33:31] | sphery: | None. |
| [02:33:37] | Bearcat: | (i think it's an xv thing myself) |
| [02:33:48] | sphery: | My recommendation would be get some sleep and see if xris has figured it out tomorrow. :) |
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| [02:34:32] | Bearcat: | so to get the input working i will need to set the inputs 3 and 4 to be the defaults in my alsa config and then set the default input to alsa:default somewhere in mythtv |
| [02:34:47] | Bearcat: | No. The input can't use alsa, right? |
| [02:34:58] | sphery: | right |
| [02:35:07] | Bearcat: | you know what. i know how to fix this. |
| [02:35:16] | Bearcat: | it SUCKS. It really really does. |
| [02:35:19] | sphery: | there is a patch that allows it with SVN trunk, but you should be able to get it to work properly without it. |
| [02:35:25] | sphery: | What approach? |
| [02:35:32] | sphery: | Please don't say RF-modulated output... |
| [02:36:06] | Bearcat: | i have an extrernal sound blaster exitgy. It sounds aweful but if i hooked it up (a 3rd soundcard? kill me now!) i could use that for input and the m-audio for output. |
| [02:37:46] | mzb_d800: | Bearcat: melted crayon? |
| [02:38:17] | sphery: | Probably better than the RF-modulated (coax) output from STB/input to capture card approach. There's a rumor that "Preset tuner to channel" doesn't work, anyway (and since it's the worst possible input format, no one is motivated to fix it). |
| [02:38:57] | Bearcat: | mzb_d800: when i playback video i see: http://www.feline-soul.com/files/bad_video.png |
| [02:39:18] | Bearcat: | sphery: O.o so all i have to do is hook it up? |
| [02:39:51] | mzb_d800: | poor signal? |
| [02:40:03] | mzb_d800: | (on analog input?) |
| [02:41:10] | Bearcat: | mzb_d800: nope. this happens when i play a video with mythtv, mplayer, xine. anything. IF i select the x11 driver when using mplayer ti looks fine. If i let it use xv, it looks that way. |
| [02:41:25] | sphery: | Bearcat: I think... If you mean just put in the other sound card, hook STB audio out to its input, set udev/ALSA to ensure your audio devices don't change places and use /dev/dsp2, then yeah. |
| [02:41:34] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [02:42:10] | Bearcat: | sphery: yeah. I assume that would be better then the RF input. Does that look a lot worse then s-video (which i am using now)? |
| [02:42:22] | rooaus: | sphery: Hi. Reading back I see you said that the only way to get softvol working is with a sound card without a defined Master vol, is that correct? |
| [02:42:47] | sphery: | Yeah. RF is the worst. S-Video is the best of NTSC-type. |
| [02:42:55] | sphery: | rooaus: Yep. |
| [02:42:58] | mzb_d800: | re: "melted crayon" slow machine? got xvmc enabled? (prob won't make a diff) ... xv working at all? |
| [02:43:05] | sphery: | rooaus: other than using external volume controls. |
| [02:43:55] | sphery: | rooaus: though it may be possible to replace the ALSA-provided default card configuration file with one of your own, but that's not a pretty solution at all. |
| [02:44:04] | Bearcat: | mzb_d800: it was all fine till i updated something. I'm betting it was renderproto |
| [02:44:15] | sphery: | I'm personally a fan of external volume controls. |
| [02:44:24] | drgeb: | Somehow I am unable to scan the ATSC channels with mythtv however I was able to do this succesfully using the scan command is there away I can just import or configure myth to use this file procuced with scan command ? |
| [02:44:28] | rooaus: | sphery: oh, have been going to try using softvol for spdif out, thought it might have been a chance to get volume control from myth. |
| [02:44:28] | sphery: | it's definitely the right approach with digital audio output. |
| [02:44:37] | rooaus: | heh |
| [02:44:45] | sphery: | what sound card do you have? |
| [02:44:45] | Bearcat: | sphery: am i the only one who finds /etc/asound.conf files very confusing to read? |
| [02:44:50] | venger: | so for video playback such as dvd rips (when you want the media to be stored) on the backend, is the most pratical option to use mythvideo on the frontend and point to a nfs mount? |
| [02:45:03] | venger: | btw, i finally got SPDIF working about 20 minutes ago |
| [02:45:25] | sphery: | Bearcat: I think I'm one of only a few who has spent waaayyy too much time reading them and can actually understand them... |
| [02:45:26] | GreyFoxx: | venger: yes |
| [02:45:41] | GreyFoxx: | Most people just nfs mount the media from the backends to the frontends |
| [02:45:54] | GreyFoxx: | the main thing is to keep it in the same location on all machines |
| [02:46:12] | rooaus: | sphery: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| [02:46:13] | GreyFoxx: | so if it's in /mnt/moo on the backend use /mnt/moo on the frontend |
| [02:46:14] | mzb_d800: | Bearcat: k |
| [02:46:45] | venger: | GreyFoxx, thanks for confirmation/feedback on that |
| [02:46:51] | sphery: | rooaus: too bad. That's got a Master (and PCM) mixer control already, so you can't override them. |
| [02:46:52] | Bearcat: | mnt/moo hmm..so the "u" in "udev" stands for udder... |
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| [02:47:10] | sphery: | rooaus: you use SVN trunk, right? |
| [02:48:04] | sphery: | Bearcat: BTW, you mentioned having ALSA:default and default in there by default... 0.21 will have them. |
| [02:48:16] | rooaus: | sphery: Yeah, svn trunk. Is there a reason I define a new one myself. I had only briefly read the softvol wiki and thought it was encouraging. |
| [02:48:25] | Bearcat: | sphery: nice!! |
| [02:48:55] | rooaus: | s/I define/ I can't define/ |
| [02:48:55] | sphery: | rooaus: might want to use http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3405 . With that (if the patch was done properly), you should be able to use softvol. |
| [02:49:33] | rooaus: | Thank you kind sir, I shall investigate (and boomark) :) |
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| [02:52:18] | sphery: | rooaus: It may actually be possible to do it with the standard conf if using ALSA... I'll have to look at it again. |
| [02:53:53] | drgeb: | drgeb |
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| [02:55:55] | sphery: | rooaus: OK. I've convinced myself I'm right. You can't use softvol (without that patch) unless you have a card without a Master (or PCM) mixer. |
| [02:56:24] | sphery: | But I still don't know if that patch will allow you to do so (but it's probably your best bet). |
| [02:56:48] | dmz: | howdy y'all, 2 quick questions. what setting do i set so that when i'm watching live tv and browsing guide and select a channel and I want to change channel but it is asking if i want to record. and other question when i'm playing a recorded iso dvd its defaulting to french language, where do i set language for mplayer/xine |
| [02:57:07] | sphery: | drgeb must be a fan of Boston Legal (and Denny Crane) :) |
| [02:57:26] | rooaus: | sphery: Thanks for looking at it, I will see if #3405 helps. |
| [02:58:08] | rooaus: | go on, say it... say "Danny Crane" ;) |
| [02:58:19] | ** Bearcat laughs ** | |
| [02:58:44] | sphery: | dmz: 1) "Use select to change the channel in the program guide" (and make sure you have an appropriately-large "Record Threshold") |
| [02:58:51] | ** Bearcat whispers "his name is Denny" ** | |
| [02:59:15] | sphery: | dmz: 2) Myth is trying to give you some culture... |
| [02:59:57] | sphery: | dmz: Actually, it doesn't always select the right ones. Best bet is to post a message to the -users list with info about the specific DVD(s) that are affected, your version of Myth, etc. Stanley is good about responding quickly. |
| [03:00:32] | mzb_d800: | is there a "nice" way to move to the end of a recording? |
| [03:00:34] | sphery: | dmz: Though he's likely to tell you to try SVN trunk because there have been a /lot/ of improvements to the internal player's DVD playback capability. |
| [03:00:51] | ** rooaus slaps myself ** | |
| [03:01:01] | sphery: | mzb_d800: 1 FFWD |
| [03:01:07] | sphery: | goes to 1 minute before the end of recording |
| [03:01:12] | mzb_d800: | err |
| [03:01:27] | sphery: | if you want the complete end, you could try 900 right |
| [03:01:44] | sphery: | (assuming your show is less than 15 hours long ;) |
| [03:01:59] | dmz: | thanks |
| [03:02:05] | sphery: | though, really, ESC is a much easier way to exit (and going to the end would just exit) |
| [03:02:50] | sphery: | Oh, wait... 900 would be 9:00 = 9 hours... 99 = 99 minutes. 100 = 1:00 = 1 hr = 60 minutes... I always get confused. |
| [03:03:44] | sphery: | 999 is just plain confusing at 10 hours and 39 minutes... :) |
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| [03:04:16] | dmz: | so about the the guide, how come when watching live tv and select another channel in guide it asks me about recording instead of changing channel |
| [03:05:06] | sphery: | dmz: have you flipped the setting I mentioned? |
| [03:05:12] | sphery: | "Use select to change the channel in the program guide" |
| [03:05:16] | dmz: | it was a long post, let me go back and reread |
| [03:05:27] | sphery: | 10.06 22:58:44 < sphery> dmz: 1) "Use select to change the channel in the program guide" (and make sure you have an appropriately-large "Record Threshold") |
| [03:05:58] | dmz: | and i assume that is under setup/tv settings/program guide |
| [03:06:19] | sphery: | Yep. |
| [03:06:21] | dmz: | ahhh |
| [03:06:22] | sphery: | Seems to be on page 2. |
| [03:06:25] | mzb_d800: | sphery: key 1 left |
| [03:06:26] | dmz: | don't know why i missed that so many times |
| [03:06:29] | dmz: | doh |
| [03:06:31] | mzb_d800: | (telnet) |
| [03:07:00] | dmz: | thanks :) |
| [03:07:18] | sphery: | mzb_d800: for jump 1 minute backwards? |
| [03:07:23] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... maybe not |
| [03:07:28] | sphery: | dmz: welcome. enjoy. |
| [03:07:49] | mzb_d800: | no, let's say I'm at the start, I want to use telnet to move to (10 seconds) from the end of the recording |
| [03:08:01] | mzb_d800: | (don't have remote(s) working yet) |
| [03:08:10] | sphery: | 10 seconds is harder--we don't have that kind of resolution |
| [03:08:40] | mzb_d800: | ok, 1 min is fine |
| [03:08:47] | dmz: | anyone else use a pvr500? i just changed from single pvr350 to 500 and the recording is a little darker than before. is there any setting to increase the brightness of the recording? |
| [03:10:04] | ** dmz is in a great mood. wife out drinking w/girls, jd tasting good, and i just got my 3 node minimyth netboot/nfs config setup, all tv's in the house now on mythfrontend :) nice to have 2 tuners now too ** | |
| [03:10:09] | mzb_d800: | key 9 9 9 right ? |
| [03:10:35] | Bearcat: | dmz: what a great evening |
| [03:10:51] | sphery: | 1 minute should work with: key 1/play seek forward |
| [03:10:56] | sphery: | the slash is a line feed |
| [03:11:05] | sphery: | 999 right would jump to the end |
| [03:11:12] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [03:11:27] | sphery: | "play stop" would just exit (same result as 999 right |
| [03:11:41] | mzb_d800: | no, recording is "live" |
| [03:11:51] | mzb_d800: | (11 hrs?) |
| [03:11:57] | sphery: | Oh... I forgot that some people use live... |
| [03:12:04] | mzb_d800: | about half way through |
| [03:12:25] | sphery: | 999 is 10:39 |
| [03:12:32] | sphery: | so, yeah, basically 11hrs |
| [03:13:09] | sphery: | key 1/play seek forward is not going to work... |
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| [03:13:54] | sphery: | seems we don't have fast forward in network control |
| [03:14:02] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: You recording Bathurst? |
| [03:14:08] | dmz: | hmm i would have thought with 2 active tuners i could do pnp :( |
| [03:14:09] | sphery: | wonder what would happen with: key 1/play speed 2x |
| [03:14:20] | mzb_d800: | rooaus: yes, attempting to |
| [03:14:25] | sphery: | pip is supported iwth 2 available capture cards |
| [03:14:38] | mzb_d800: | (testing horribly crappy gear + setup;) |
| [03:14:54] | twodogs34: | sphery: reference your post at 08:04:57 PM, i'm trying to isolate the problem. I deleted all my video sources, redefined my input connections, reran mythfilldatabase but still have the same problem. my previous attempt to fix this included wiping my hard drive, reinstalling Ubuntu, reinstalling mythtv and lirc but even after that I still came up with the same thing – kind of frustrating! |
| [03:14:57] | mzb_d800: | yep key1/ff doesn't work |
| [03:15:19] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: I just had a thought about the maximum recording length, what version of myth you using? |
| [03:15:39] | sphery: | mzb_d800: what about: key 1/play speed 2x |
| [03:15:49] | mzb_d800: | "key 9 9 9 right" seems better (I have it set to 0.95 playback) |
| [03:15:50] | sphery: | I'm guessing it won't work, but very curious, now. |
| [03:16:12] | mzb_d800: | it does |
| [03:16:18] | sphery: | it works? |
| [03:16:24] | dmz: | wierd i have to available capture cards (well i'm watching tv w/1 and one is free). i select pnp and it doesn't open a window |
| [03:16:37] | mzb_d800: | "key 9 9 9 right" |
| [03:17:13] | mzb_d800: | $ mythfrontend --version |
| [03:17:14] | mzb_d800: | Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1 |
| [03:17:23] | mzb_d800: | SVN Branch : tags/release-0-20–2 |
| [03:17:34] | mzb_d800: | split over 3 machines |
| [03:17:52] | Bearcat: | thanks all |
| [03:17:58] | sphery: | rooaus: what max recording lenght? |
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| [03:18:00] | mzb_d800: | I have it on 0.95X so it doesn't "hit the end" |
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| [03:18:29] | mzb_d800: | btw: although prog was scheduled, it didn't record on auto |
| [03:18:40] | mzb_d800: | had to turn it on manually |
| [03:18:48] | mzb_d800: | 11hrs too long? |
| [03:19:02] | rooaus: | sphery: Doesn't myth enforce a maximum recording length, in case you have no guide data etc.? |
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| [03:19:35] | sphery: | I think it breaks a recording into pieces of like 8hrs in length |
| [03:19:51] | sphery: | I thought it would actually record it all, though. |
| [03:20:22] | sphery: | If not, you should post to the list. I personally hate that "let's 'fix' Myth for people with broken setups" change. :) |
| [03:20:32] | mzb_d800: | I won't be getting a single video ... ended up having to restart the backends after attempting to sync the time better |
| [03:20:44] | rooaus: | ah ok, I just wanted to warn mzb_d800 as Bathurst is somewhat of a religion in Aus and it gets real interesting towards the end. |
| [03:20:46] | mzb_d800: | we had daylight savings come into effect last night |
| [03:20:58] | sphery: | and it's really 11hr long? |
| [03:21:02] | sphery: | That's crazy... |
| [03:21:05] | mzb_d800: | 9am to 6:45p |
| [03:21:12] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: You in Tas then. |
| [03:21:16] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [03:21:21] | sphery: | wow. |
| [03:21:22] | mzb_d800: | (11hr is the show) |
| [03:21:36] | mzb_d800: | http://www.v8supercar.com.au/ |
| [03:21:40] | rooaus: | sphery: Endurance motor race. |
| [03:21:40] | mzb_d800: | 1000km |
| [03:21:50] | sphery: | Oh. Cool. |
| [03:22:18] | mzb_d800: | kowtow to BaTHuRsT ! ;) |
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| [03:22:35] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10511 |
| [03:22:50] | sphery: | definitely splits LiveTV. |
| [03:23:00] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [03:23:09] | mzb_d800: | just as well I've restarted ;) |
| [03:23:19] | sphery: | it would have split, anyway. |
| [03:23:36] | sphery: | splitting yourself you can choose to do so in the commercials. :) |
| [03:23:49] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [03:24:00] | mzb_d800: | but why didn't it execute the schedule? |
| [03:24:08] | mzb_d800: | had to set it manually |
| [03:24:32] | mzb_d800: | (made a mistake in calc, so had to adjust in mysql and then restart backends;)) |
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| [03:25:08] | sphery: | I'd have to see more specifics to figure out why it didn't want to record. |
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| [03:25:51] | sphery: | The best info would have been the "Upcoming Recordings" page, which shows status of all matches. |
| [03:25:53] | mzb_d800: | MythFillMaxHour ?? |
| [03:26:04] | JackEStorm: | ok I give up, how do you stop Mplayer from launching out of focus in Myth? |
| [03:26:11] | sphery: | Unfortunately, it's probably corrupted now because you've recorded it Live. |
| [03:26:25] | sphery: | JackEStorm: focus meaning keyboard focus. |
| [03:26:44] | JackEStorm: | sphery: keyboard and video |
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| [03:27:08] | sphery: | but not meaning blurry, right? |
| [03:27:42] | rooaus: | :) |
| [03:27:46] | JackEStorm: | ie: mythfrontend view port is over the view port for mplayer |
| [03:28:22] | GreyFoxx: | not running a window manager ? |
| [03:28:28] | JackEStorm: | I am |
| [03:28:37] | sphery: | Ahhh. That is a window manager thing. I, personally, gave up on MPlayer--on some systems it worked properly and on others it did exactly as you said even though they were using the same WM and the same WM config file... |
| [03:28:44] | sinthetek: | my zap2xml.pl seems to have stopped working |
| [03:28:55] | JackEStorm: | I wasn't, but was told I need to to fix it, but it still happends |
| [03:29:01] | sphery: | JackEStorm: Would probably work great with RatPoison, though. (I use FluxBox) |
| [03:29:09] | sphery: | what one did you choose? |
| [03:29:18] | sinthetek: | well, it's doing something... not sure what's wrong |
| [03:29:22] | JackEStorm: | sphery: I'm using RatPoison |
| [03:29:40] | sinthetek: | but my guide is still empty after i run mythfilldatabase with the output |
| [03:30:09] | sphery: | sinthetek: that's why some of us have been saying that $20/yr is /significantly/ cheaper than using a scraper... They break randomly and even if some other poor schmuck is doing the coding, you still have to watch it and upgrade it and ... |
| [03:31:17] | sphery: | JackEStorm: Like I said, I gave up before I figured it out. I like xine better, anyway, so it was an easy decision to stop trying to figure it out. |
| [03:31:31] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... should see the grabber option(s) in .au then :) |
| [03:31:48] | rooaus: | JackEStorm: devilspie *may* be a help |
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| [03:31:56] | sphery: | Yeah. We in the US have it easy--even if we have to pay a bit to get easy. |
| [03:32:18] | mzb_d800: | mind you .. shepherd does a pretty good job |
| [03:32:18] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: I use icetv. |
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| [03:32:36] | sphery: | wow... I had never heard of devilspie in my life until yesterday, and now you mentioned it one day later... Funny. |
| [03:32:45] | mzb_d800: | shepherd + oztivo |
| [03:33:09] | rooaus: | sphery: Again? |
| [03:33:12] | mzb_d800: | I use devilspie a lot on my workstation (when it's working;) ... very handy |
| [03:33:26] | Dagmar: | devilspie is nice |
| [03:33:30] | Dagmar: | It's like gaffer tape for window managers |
| [03:33:44] | sphery: | did you mention it yesterday, or something? |
| [03:33:57] | rooaus: | Dagmar: They should put that on the project home page. |
| [03:34:02] | mzb_d800: | gkrellms on workpspace 1, email 2, ... so on |
| [03:34:22] | sphery: | I actually found it when I was digging through Google stuff (dont' even remember what I was looking for, but I remember devilspie) |
| [03:34:32] | rooaus: | sphery: No, I meant with that ticket thing... |
| [03:34:43] | sphery: | Oh, yeah. |
| [03:34:50] | rooaus: | weird |
| [03:34:56] | sphery: | That's right... You're always on the same wavelength. |
| [03:35:09] | sphery: | I'm getting my tin-foil hat... |
| [03:35:10] | sphery: | brb |
| [03:36:26] | sphery: | It seems that having a script open in vi while spending way too much time in irc isn't as productive as actually working on the script. |
| [03:36:56] | JackEStorm: | sphery: xine huh? |
| [03:37:02] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [03:37:06] | Dagmar: | That depends on how well vi's auto-tabbing is behaving |
| [03:37:16] | sphery: | I think I'm officially giving up on the idea of finishing it tonight. Anyone wanting automatic notification of the days recordings or upcoming conflicts or whatever has to wait 'til tomorrow. |
| [03:37:26] | Dagmar: | THey REALLY need to make a fucking thing you can set to adjust the tab widths across the board |
| [03:37:28] | mzb_d800: | I've got the same problem ... I'm ... err ... cleaning up ;) |
| [03:37:52] | mzb_d800: | But obviously, bathurst is more important ;) |
| [03:37:59] | mzb_d800: | (as is mythtv, et al) |
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| [03:38:23] | JackEStorm: | sphery: but thats what we do now, wait till tomorrow to find out. |
| [03:38:30] | sphery: | Dagmar: Yeah. I have "projects" defined in my vimrc that set tab widths, etc. based on the location of the files (and I always have my Myth code in the same place, etc.) |
| [03:38:33] | mzb_d800: | and I couldn't possibly unplug cables just to make them look nice (and move TV cabinet back to the wall) |
| [03:39:17] | Dagmar: | I jsut hate how I can set ts=2 and still get grossly wide tabbing because of the syntax |
| [03:39:44] | sphery: | Talking in here was definitely more fun than writing the script. Though I have to admit that posting the script to a ticket is more fun than talking in here... |
| [03:40:55] | rooaus: | yeah, I need to go outside to do some gardening... better make the move before the rain comes. |
| [03:41:07] | sphery: | Dagmar: are you using shiftwidth and softtabstop? |
| [03:41:08] | mzb_d800: | beer o'clock |
| [03:41:34] | Dagmar: | I'm using the defaults |
| [03:41:37] | sphery: | midnight-snack o'clock for me. |
| [03:41:42] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: Have one for me as well. :) |
| [03:41:53] | JackEStorm: | mzb_d800: Been Thirty was hours ago |
| [03:42:06] | mzb_d800: | only got 4 left ... yours will have to wait ;) |
| [03:42:17] | JackEStorm: | s/Been/Beer/ |
| [03:42:21] | sphery: | Dagmar: I use: autocmd BufRead,BufNewFile /path/to/Myth/* setlocal shiftwidth=4 softtabstop=4 expandtab list |
| [03:42:24] | JackEStorm: | doh! |
| [03:42:28] | sphery: | works well for Myth. |
| [03:42:51] | mzb_d800: | yes, I know I've been slack (Bathurst tradition and all) but 4 beers wouldn't have made it through the day |
| [03:42:52] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [03:43:06] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: fair enough |
| [03:43:18] | mzb_d800: | (had too much yesterday;) |
| [03:43:23] | JackEStorm: | mzb_d800: I'm drinking for you then |
| [03:43:48] | mzb_d800: | I'll start now, and catch up later (going to outlaw's for tea) |
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| [03:44:03] | rooaus: | be back later. Cheers! |
| [03:44:09] | mzb_d800: | k |
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| [03:51:22] | mzb_d800: | heheh ... between 0.95x and occasional pauses (for beer runs, etc) I'm getting a nice buffer for skipping ad breaks ;) .... gotta love it ! |
| [03:52:09] | mzb_d800: | and from a couple of the comments in #here I'm guessing the result is a lifestyle change :) |
| [03:52:28] | Dagmar: | Oof I gotta remember to hassle the next guy that is in here who diddles the commflagging code |
| [03:52:41] | JackEStorm: | mzb_d800: I can watch 24 in 16 |
| [03:52:47] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [03:52:55] | Dagmar: | It would be useful if it scanned about a half second in either direction from the breakpoints to try to find a keyframe if the keyframe is still in the silent-and-black mode |
| [03:53:02] | mzb_d800: | I did miss out on one essential ingredient in my master plan, though |
| [03:53:31] | mzb_d800: | I had planned on watching Bathurst in the garage (next to the beer fridge;) on cloned output (20" monitor) |
| [03:53:37] | Dagmar: | JackEStorm: You forgot the two hours it takes for your butt to wake back up |
| [03:54:05] | mzb_d800: | went through all the motions ... almost broke my back lifting the monitor (fcc date is 1991) |
| [03:54:32] | mzb_d800: | and then realised I don't have any speakers for it ;) lol |
| [03:54:36] | mzb_d800: | doh! |
| [03:54:42] | Dagmar: | lift weights or something |
| [03:54:44] | JackEStorm: | Dagmar: yeah, well, and the pause to pay the pizza guy |
| [03:54:55] | Dagmar: | I've got a 70lb monitor and it doesn't break my spine |
| [03:54:58] | Dagmar: | It's just hellish to move around |
| [03:54:59] | mzb_d800: | ah ... that's a good one |
| [03:55:18] | Dagmar: | JackEStorm: Papajohnsonline will let you use your CC to pay in advance |
| [03:55:21] | JackEStorm: | what I really need to get working is transcoding to save space, but still have audio in sync. |
| [03:55:37] | mzb_d800: | no idea how heavy this one is ... but my back isn't the best anyway |
| [03:55:52] | mzb_d800: | prob easier to move than some of the 69cm TV's I've got |
| [03:56:01] | mzb_d800: | (down to 2 now) |
| [03:56:11] | JackEStorm: | Dagmar: they used to here, no more, PizzaSlut never did, and DomaHoes takes too long. |
| [03:56:25] | Dagmar: | I know one thing, if my desk could talk it would be thanking me for the 24" LCD panel |
| [03:56:30] | mzb_d800: | had one that was a piece of furniture ... only way I could move it was drag it around on a beanbag |
| [03:56:50] | mzb_d800: | yep, mine too ... I went to a 22" LCD a few mths ago |
| [03:57:10] | mzb_d800: | (had 17" + 20" in twinview previously) |
| [03:57:12] | Dagmar: | Between the 70lb monitor and the 45lb monitor, I was lucky the particle boards weren't about to crumple |
| [03:57:38] | Dagmar: | I know from past experience not to add the third CRT to any desk that isn't really, really sturdy |
| [03:57:44] | mzb_d800: | on an "electric" desk (push button raise/lower) (au$24 at auction iirc) |
| [03:57:52] | Dagmar: | There's nothing quite like having a desk with three monitors on it suffer a critical failure |
| [03:57:57] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [03:58:01] | mzb_d800: | I can imagine |
| [03:58:16] | JackEStorm: | Dagmar: my desktop deals with it's life, my myth box loves it's 65" rear projection |
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| [03:59:10] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... I don't actually have a pic of the desk, but you can just see the leg of it next to the server desk: |
| [03:59:22] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . d=20105& |
| [04:02:02] | JackEStorm: | I should take photos of my setup |
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| [04:03:04] | mzb_d800: | I've found it's a good idea to take pics from the point of view of rebuilding after a move ;) |
| [04:03:19] | mzb_d800: | (better than my memory most of the time) |
| [04:03:36] | mzb_d800: | that desk is a lot neater now: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . d=20121& |
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| [04:04:10] | Dagmar: | I take pics before I move, and put key stickers on everything since I have to disassemble the desks I use |
| [04:04:11] | mzb_d800: | (au$11 MDF printer desk) |
| [04:04:18] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [04:04:26] | Dagmar: | It's fun to put a desk that has 45 pieces together the first time |
| [04:04:33] | Dagmar: | ...when you have the instructions. |
| [04:04:55] | Dr_willis: | I tend to glue those things together the first time.. they never come apart again. |
| [04:04:58] | Dagmar: | When you have two of them and the pieces kinda get mixed together, things get ugly |
| [04:05:01] | Dr_willis: | but they do stay together :) |
| [04:05:08] | Dagmar: | I'd have to rent a chainsaw if I did that |
| [04:05:12] | JackEStorm: | Dagmar: I have not moved since 2001, can't find anyone to move my tv |
| [04:05:12] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [04:05:26] | Dr_willis: | Dagmar, been there done that.. :) $200 desk.. stuck in one room. |
| [04:05:26] | Dagmar: | "corner desks" do not fit through doorways and down staids |
| [04:05:30] | Dagmar: | s/staids/stairs/; |
| [04:05:47] | mzb_d800: | I've got similar problem ... 50–100 computers |
| [04:05:48] | Dagmar: | ...but I'm with Dr Willis on the gluing of smaller things |
| [04:06:06] | mzb_d800: | (years since I've done inventory;) |
| [04:06:13] | Dagmar: | Little bookcases and CD racks get a lot more durable with a little extra glue and some tenpenny nails in the right places. |
| [04:06:15] | Dr_willis: | Thers some really kicking glues out now a days also. |
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| [04:06:21] | JackEStorm: | mzb_d800: it's over 300lbs, the tv that is, 3 100lbs water cooled CRTs |
| [04:06:23] | Dr_willis: | That Gorillia Glue can be tricky. |
| [04:06:37] | mzb_d800: | gee, nice :) ... water cooled? |
| [04:06:38] | Dagmar: | I just use Elmers |
| [04:06:44] | Dagmar: | I don't like the way Gorilla Glue swells up |
| [04:06:52] | JackEStorm: | mzb_d800: yup |
| [04:06:52] | Dr_willis: | Yep. :) thats the tricky part. |
| [04:06:54] | mzb_d800: | "Liquid Nails" |
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| [04:07:26] | mzb_d800: | [ Selleys [tm] ] |
| [04:07:28] | Dr_willis: | I used PVC solvent to glue back together a Computer Chair. the resin arms broke. |
| [04:07:28] | Dagmar: | Metal nails. |
| [04:07:30] | mzb_d800: | (iirc) |
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| [04:08:38] | Jariul: | is there a file that I can modify, I can't see the full window since I changed the setting |
| [04:08:47] | mzb_d800: | is it likely that slower playback (eg 0.95x) will make a lack of deinterlacing more obvious? |
| [04:09:10] | Dagmar: | Not quite |
| [04:09:15] | Dagmar: | It'll just be uglier across the board |
| [04:09:20] | mzb_d800: | Jariul: mythfrontend --geometry XxY |
| [04:09:26] | mzb_d800: | ? |
| [04:09:27] | sphery: | Jariul: If you're saying that the window is too small to be able to set the window size setting, you can do a one-time override with --geometry |
| [04:09:41] | Dagmar: | Without getting really computationally intensive, you wind up with some frames being shown twice and others not, which makes movement look jumpier than it should |
| [04:09:45] | sphery: | then go in an change the window size (i.e. to 0x0 for full screen) |
| [04:09:47] | Jariul: | dunno why it's opening only in window |
| [04:09:58] | Jariul: | thx :) |
| [04:09:59] | Dagmar: | compiz? |
| [04:10:07] | Jariul: | nah |
| [04:10:07] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: k, thx |
| [04:10:16] | Jariul: | I think I must have change the settings |
| [04:11:01] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: might try deinterlace sometime later ... p3–650 might have a problem doing it nicely though ;) |
| [04:11:39] | Dagmar: | Are you using s-video output? |
| [04:11:49] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [04:11:54] | Dagmar: | Bummer |
| [04:11:59] | mzb_d800: | composite + CRT cloned |
| [04:12:09] | mzb_d800: | svideo on frontend2 |
| [04:12:15] | Dagmar: | nVidia's driver has a "magic" interlacer that kicks in for xvideo windows when you're using the s-video output |
| [04:12:24] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [04:12:38] | Dagmar: | This is why some people (like me) never have to mess with it |
| [04:12:39] | mzb_d800: | that would explain why the TV in the bedroom looks nice, thanks for info |
| [04:12:58] | mzb_d800: | don't have that luxury on this tv+vcr setup ... too old |
| [04:13:45] | mzb_d800: | spent 4x$2.25 + 2 gold plugs and made a really nice composite lead instead ... very nice pic |
| [04:14:40] | mzb_d800: | better cable has removed all noise+lines |
| [04:15:24] | mzb_d800: | still got a strange problem with a flickering white line ... but I'll get there (I think that's wm-related ... not sure) |
| [04:15:42] | mzb_d800: | I've got "huge overscan" with reduced gui |
| [04:16:19] | mzb_d800: | and hacked the osd.xml to get things in the right place .... still more to fix .. but looks ok |
| [04:16:54] | Dagmar: | Flickering white line at the top? |
| [04:17:46] | mzb_d800: | no it's a couple of inches wides ... perhaps 1 pixel(?) high and just right of centre |
| [04:17:58] | Dagmar: | By the way, gold plugs are almost a waste of money unless you're in a "technology-hostile" environment with a lot of acids and crap in the air |
| [04:18:01] | mzb_d800: | pseudo-random position |
| [04:18:12] | mzb_d800: | it was either gold plugs or plastic |
| [04:18:20] | Dagmar: | But it's the top row of pixels you're seeing this in, right? |
| [04:18:22] | mzb_d800: | price diff was au$0.20 |
| [04:18:32] | mzb_d800: | so think of it as plastic vs metal |
| [04:18:39] | Dagmar: | Ah, I'd ahve bought the nicer plugs for twenty cents for sure |
| [04:18:40] | mzb_d800: | (I'd have settled for nickel) |
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| [04:18:57] | mzb_d800: | their probably not real gold anyway ;) (ie. I'd be surprised) |
| [04:19:21] | Dagmar: | Nah things can be gold electroplated for ludicrously cheap |
| [04:19:47] | mzb_d800: | either way ... ~$10–12 for a cable is cheaper than a new(er) 69cm TV ;) |
| [04:19:56] | mzb_d800: | (just for svideo) |
| [04:20:00] | Dagmar: | Like, all the gold that would be in a semi trailer full of Goldschlager doesn't cost ten bucks |
| [04:20:01] | mzb_d800: | (or better) |
| [04:20:10] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
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| [04:21:43] | mzb_d800: | I'm certainly impressed with the viewing quality, despite some of the crappy gear I'm using |
| [04:21:47] | geoffeg: | When I upgraded to the latest release all my recorded items disappeared from the list.. but they're still sitting on my drive. Is there any way to get MythTV to rescan the recordings directory or am I screwed? |
| [04:21:54] | nordle: | why does mythtv do deinterlacing on TV Playback, but NOT from TV recordings, it makes no sense. |
| [04:21:56] | mzb_d800: | s/despite/in spite of/ |
| [04:22:56] | Dagmar: | nordle: Because when you screw around with interlacing you wind up reencoding the image |
| [04:23:09] | Dagmar: | You MIGHT wind up having to do this twice if you do it as a mandatory thing, and that would not be good. |
| [04:23:18] | Dagmar: | Therefore it's only done at the last stage before output. |
| [04:23:48] | nordle: | Dagmar: ??? What is the point of recording TV, if playback looks utter crap? |
| [04:24:11] | Dagmar: | That's kind of a dumb question |
| [04:24:23] | nordle: | please explain |
| [04:24:24] | Dagmar: | If playback looks like crap, you fix the playback stage |
| [04:24:30] | nordle: | no |
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| [04:24:47] | Dagmar: | You don't bitch about the recording stage because the *recording* stage is where you want to preserve every bit of image fidelity you've got |
| [04:25:08] | nordle: | mythtv plays tv deint, it should PLAY the recording deint, dont you think? |
| [04:25:13] | Dagmar: | ...which means you don't mess with interlacing while recording. |
| [04:25:35] | Dagmar: | no because that statement doesn't make any sense, either |
| [04:25:39] | nordle: | When did I say mess with the recording? |
| [04:25:52] | Dagmar: | Why are you even *mentioning* the recording stage? |
| [04:25:56] | Dagmar: | It has nothing to do with interlacing |
| [04:26:05] | nordle: | pause |
| [04:26:25] | Aval0n: | nordle, if you have deinterlacing on in playback settings, it will deinterlace your recordings when you play them |
| [04:26:29] | nordle: | Are we talking completly cross purpose, I apologise if I'm not being clear |
| [04:26:29] | Aval0n: | it's just a filter |
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| [04:26:55] | Dagmar: | Could be, but they're closing down the coffee house I'm at so I have to run. Argh.... |
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| [04:27:30] | nordle: | Aval0n: yes, exactly, thats how I expected it to be, but its not happening |
| [04:27:31] | Aval0n: | later Dagmar |
| [04:27:39] | Aval0n: | nordle then you've got something set wrong |
| [04:27:47] | Aval0n: | or something corrupted in installation |
| [04:27:55] | mzb_d800: | Dagmar: I have an S-Video to Composite adapter on the way (long story) ... if the quality is good enough, that might fix my deinterlace problem, I hope :) |
| [04:28:01] | Aval0n: | perhaps you haven't set the birate of your default recording profile correctly? |
| [04:28:34] | Aval0n: | nordle: everything uses default profile unless otherwise specified |
| [04:28:45] | Aval0n: | so adjust that to your liking under recording profiles |
| [04:29:11] | Aval0n: | where are you telling it to deinterlace anyway? on a per channel basis in the database or under playback settings. |
| [04:29:17] | Aval0n: | Also what setting are you using? |
| [04:29:51] | nordle: | I have custom profiles, hi/low, it makes no diff. Live TV looks great, playback of the recording looks terrible as its clearly interlaced and no attempt is made to deint, even though its set to do that. |
| [04:30:44] | nordle: | All of them, I stepped up each setting, so playback has deint, each channel has deint setting too, no difference |
| [04:32:36] | Aval0n: | but have you edited the 'default' profile |
| [04:32:39] | Aval0n: | you can edit high and low all day |
| [04:32:46] | Aval0n: | but they never get used |
| [04:32:51] | Aval0n: | unless you tell it to |
| [04:32:57] | nordle: | Which I do |
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| [04:33:11] | Aval0n: | just edit the damned default profle |
| [04:33:12] | nordle: | 27=hi, 28=default, 29=low |
| [04:33:13] | Aval0n: | and try |
| [04:33:15] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [04:33:33] | ** Dr_willis ducks.. hes not even 100% sure what interlace means.. ** | |
| [04:33:37] | nordle: | "the damned default" |
| [04:33:44] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [04:33:47] | Dr_willis: | :) On my amiga years ago they had interlace mode. |
| [04:34:00] | Dr_willis: | But thats totally diffrent sort of then what the term means these days |
| [04:34:00] | Aval0n: | haha |
| [04:34:07] | Aval0n: | what if it was called that in the menu |
| [04:34:17] | nordle: | I thought it was ;) |
| [04:34:18] | Aval0n: | 'the damned default' |
| [04:34:19] | Aval0n: | hahah |
| [04:34:29] | Dr_willis: | Just got my MythTV box going today. after not having one for a long time. |
| [04:34:59] | nordle: | We should have Heaven High, Gutter Low, and Damned Default |
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| [04:36:09] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [04:36:36] | nordle: | What do I need to change? I have kerneldeint=11,quickdnr=10 in the OutputFilters on channel table. I have the same in custom setting in TV Playback.... |
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| [04:37:32] | mzb_d800: | Dr_willis: hold out both hands with fingers apart, then put your fingers so they're interleaved ... that's interlacing theory at it's most basic ;) |
| [04:37:39] | Aval0n: | aaack |
| [04:37:45] | Aval0n: | quickdnr teh sucks |
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| [04:37:56] | Aval0n: | you are following that mythtv.org instructions aren't you? |
| [04:38:08] | Aval0n: | where it's talking about filters |
| [04:38:17] | nordle: | yep |
| [04:38:26] | Aval0n: | first off do yourself a favor |
| [04:38:32] | Hilikus: | hey guys, is the frontend supossed to be closed when youre not watching tv? or just in the main menu or what?? |
| [04:38:37] | Aval0n: | and get rid of kernelident and quickdnr on everything |
| [04:38:41] | Dr_willis: | mzb_d800, thats how it was on the amiga. :) but it was interlacing the Monitor rates |
| [04:38:45] | mzb_d800: | ie. left hand is odd, right hand is even .... screen refresh 1 does odd lines (left hand), screen refresh 2 does even lines (right hand) |
| [04:38:48] | Aval0n: | on your frontend just go to playback settings |
| [04:38:52] | nordle: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_playback_filters |
| [04:38:57] | Aval0n: | and try either just default kernel mode |
| [04:38:58] | mzb_d800: | yeah, Amiga did something weird |
| [04:39:02] | Aval0n: | or bi-linear which is what I use |
| [04:39:06] | Aval0n: | yeah that's it |
| [04:39:07] | Dr_willis: | it made the output 2x the res :) |
| [04:39:13] | Aval0n: | cloe that page :) |
| [04:39:34] | Aval0n: | denoise3d is better than quickdnr anyway but don't even use it :) |
| [04:39:41] | Aval0n: | just go to playback settings |
| [04:39:43] | Aval0n: | and try bi-linear |
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| [04:39:51] | Aval0n: | no custom filters |
| [04:39:53] | nordle: | Aval0n: Using kerneldeint gave me best settings on rugby match that bilinear could only deam of |
| [04:39:58] | nordle: | deam=dream |
| [04:40:11] | Aval0n: | <Shrug> |
| [04:40:16] | nordle: | bilinear=horrible ghosting |
| [04:40:18] | Aval0n: | it also matters which mpeg decorder you have it set for |
| [04:40:30] | nordle: | standard |
| [04:40:32] | Aval0n: | kernel is good too |
| [04:40:34] | Aval0n: | no XvMC? |
| [04:40:38] | nordle: | no |
| [04:40:41] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [04:40:45] | Aval0n: | then just do kernel mode |
| [04:40:52] | Aval0n: | under playback settings |
| [04:40:59] | Aval0n: | you don't need those custom filters trust me |
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| [04:41:07] | Aval0n: | they are for ppl with very shitty quality signal |
| [04:41:41] | Aval0n: | and make sure you default recording profile's bitrate is something reasonable |
| [04:41:43] | Aval0n: | like maybe |
| [04:41:45] | mzb_d800: | oops, beer deficiency |
| [04:41:48] | Hilikus: | is the frontend supossed to be closed when youre not watching tv? or just in the main menu or what?? |
| [04:42:02] | Aval0n: | 4000min and 5000max |
| [04:42:10] | Aval0n: | see if that's ok for you |
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| [04:42:12] | Aval0n: | should be |
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| [04:42:23] | Aval0n: | probably set to something in the 3k's right now. |
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| [04:43:46] | nordle: | Aval0n: I trust you, but what your saying doesn't fit what I'm seeing, which implies something is screwy with my setup. These filters ARE better than the fixed options in setup. BUT, the point is, they do NOT work on recorded stuff. So I can watch a program, it looks quality with these filters. But if I record it, and watch it back, it apppears to ignore totally the filters and it looks like a deint piece of crap and its pointless doing the record |
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| [04:44:30] | Dr_willis: | Hilikus, you can leave it open. |
| [04:44:46] | Dr_willis: | Hilikus, its the backend that runs and records things. |
| [04:45:00] | Hilikus: | do you use a R/C? |
| [04:45:13] | Dr_willis: | RC ? |
| [04:45:17] | Hilikus: | remote control |
| [04:45:30] | Dr_willis: | I got one.. but dont use it.. Ultimate remote = wireless keyboard. |
| [04:45:31] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [04:45:53] | Hilikus: | im wonderign if you leave it open, what does the power button do? |
| [04:46:02] | Dr_willis: | i need to find a wireless keybord with a little mouse/ball/touchpad on it.. |
| [04:46:13] | Dr_willis: | on the remote? depends on how the remote is programed i guess. |
| [04:46:23] | Dr_willis: | hit it and see. :) |
| [04:46:31] | nordle: | Aval0n: Bitrate, I'm using 1600. After much experimentation, I've achieved that setting. This does not affect the issue. Interlacing is easily recognisable because A. I know the source is, B. The playback with the deint filters works well, and C. It looks just as crappy at 4500 as 1500. |
| [04:47:06] | mzb_d800: | speaking of remotes: does anyone remember the old "SurfTV" boxes? I have two of them ... with IR keyboards + remotes ... just wondering what frequency they are |
| [04:47:33] | Aval0n: | omg |
| [04:47:41] | Aval0n: | I don't see how it can look good at all with 1500 |
| [04:47:46] | Aval0n: | that's horrible |
| [04:47:54] | Aval0n: | have you changed your default profile yet |
| [04:47:55] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [04:50:14] | nordle: | Aval0n: I've changed all profiles, I spent a long time trying various settings until I got a bitrate, Q-rate, and resolution, that worked together well. ie gave good compression and happily viewable. Another reason I know the setting works, when a transmission is not interlaced, it looks frickin great! Well, not perfect, but pretty damn good. |
| [04:51:08] | nordle: | From the table, default: |
| [04:51:12] | nordle: | width 560 |
| [04:51:17] | nordle: | height 448 |
| [04:51:24] | nordle: | mpeg4bitrate 1590 |
| [04:51:31] | nordle: | mpeg4maxquality 3 |
| [04:51:36] | nordle: | mpeg4minquality 18 |
| [04:51:41] | nordle: | mpeg4qualdiff 3 |
| [04:51:52] | nordle: | mpeg4optionvhq 1 |
| [04:51:58] | nordle: | mpeg4scalebitrate 1 |
| [04:52:15] | nordle: | 28 mpeg2bitrate 4300 |
| [04:52:23] | nordle: | 28 mpeg2maxbitrate 5000 |
| [04:53:03] | nordle: | 28 is my default |
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| [04:55:14] | Aval0n: | i dunno then man |
| [04:55:24] | Aval0n: | if you have deinterlace set in playback settings |
| [04:55:34] | Aval0n: | it should be deinterlacing anything you view on that FE |
| [04:55:47] | Aval0n: | something is obviously fuxx0red |
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| [04:56:05] | nordle: | yes. It looks very good on LiveTV, but I record the LiveTV, try and play it back and its terrible. makes no sense |
| [04:56:34] | nordle: | If I turn off deint on playback, then LiveTV looks crap, so I know it works for LiveTV |
| [04:57:12] | nordle: | But recordings look pants whatever...... :( I'm reallly not looking forward to the next suggestion |
| [04:58:07] | nordle: | This all seemed to occur from upgrading from 0.20 to 0.20.2. Maybe a fresh install is required........booohoooo nooooooo aggghhhhhhhhh :( crap crap crap, fsck it, I wont watch TV ever again. |
| [04:58:32] | nordle: | Let me re-phrase. I wont record tv ever again :) |
| [04:59:05] | Hilikus: | is there some way to tell it a recording was actually a different show so change the info of the recording? |
| [05:00:08] | ShockValue: | not sure Hilikus, i usually just delete the show and tell it to re-record |
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| [05:00:46] | Hilikus: | i dont think theyll show another rerun |
| [05:01:41] | ShockValue: | i have a question.. i've been ripping my DVD's to VOB format. most of them are OK, but some of them have screwed up timetables.. (they say they're 7 minutes long, or 26 hours long, etc) |
| [05:01:47] | ShockValue: | is there a way to correct those files? |
| [05:02:09] | ShockValue: | i have both windows and linux machines in the house, so whichever works to fix would be OK :) |
| [05:03:31] | ShockValue: | if i dont touch them while playing, they play OK, so i know the data is fine.. but if I try to fast-forward/etc they get confused and drop me back to the menu |
| [05:03:55] | Hilikus: | im not sure i understand |
| [05:05:05] | ShockValue: | like if i hit 'info' while the movie is playing, it will say 1:30 / 7:12 minutes. even though the movie is 94 minutes long |
| [05:05:28] | Hilikus: | what happens when it get > 7.10? |
| [05:05:31] | Hilikus: | 7.12* |
| [05:05:39] | Hilikus: | does it say 7.15/7.12? |
| [05:05:59] | ShockValue: | it keeps playing until the end of the movie.. it just sticks at 7:12/7:12. but if i try to fast forward or rewind it barfs |
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| [05:06:21] | Hilikus: | weird |
| [05:06:22] | mzb_d800: | I wonder if the strange flicker I see is the mouse cursor? |
| [05:06:34] | ShockValue: | what WM mzb_d800? |
| [05:06:41] | mzb_d800: | fvwm |
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| [05:06:49] | ShockValue: | hrm. i dunno how to disable the mouse with that one |
| [05:07:07] | mzb_d800: | I think I might turn of HWCursor in xorg.conf |
| [05:07:27] | Hilikus: | that might work, do you use s-video out? |
| [05:07:49] | mzb_d800: | no, composite |
| [05:08:02] | mzb_d800: | s/of/off or on/ |
| [05:08:28] | Hilikus: | i read some people having todisable HWucursor but it was mostly for s-zidieo i think |
| [05:09:22] | ShockValue: | is it strange that i dont have an asound.conf anywhere on my computer? |
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| [05:09:53] | Dr_willis: | ShockValue, i dont think so. |
| [05:10:13] | Dr_willis: | Ive seen that asked just today in a Ubuntu channel. :) |
| [05:10:18] | Dr_willis: | i dont have one either. |
| [05:10:18] | ShockValue: | im trying to figure out why mythmusic is playing all my music too fast |
| [05:10:32] | ShockValue: | but all the "hints" on the web suggest looking at my asound.conf file.. |
| [05:10:35] | Dr_willis: | too fast.. Hmm.. seen that asked ages ago.. no idea on what/how/why. |
| [05:10:38] | Dr_willis: | perhaps make one? |
| [05:10:55] | ShockValue: | i think it has to do with 44.100 vs 48.000 |
| [05:11:04] | ShockValue: | since im using spdif.. but i dunno how to fix that |
| [05:13:28] | crazy_bus: | I've seen recommened tv cards for mythtv but they don't seem to match the brands I've found while searching an Australian shop. The only brands listed are: Yuan, HAUPPAUGE, MSI, ASUS, AverMedia, Compro, DVikco, LEADTEK, Pinnacle and one ST-Lab. Are any of these more recommened for mythtv? |
| [05:13:49] | ShockValue: | hauppauge is common |
| [05:14:29] | ShockValue: | i think pvr500's are the hot item for standard def (i think, i dont use them anymore) |
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| [05:14:57] | crazy_bus: | I should have mentioned. That hauppauge only had a usb digital tuner box listed |
| [05:15:02] | Dr_willis: | yea. I got a pvr150.. wish i had a 500. but the 150;s were on sale :) |
| [05:15:07] | Dr_willis: | like $50 for them i saw the other day |
| [05:15:24] | mzb_d800: | HWCursor true seems to have fixed it |
| [05:15:42] | ShockValue: | im just using firewire only these days.. |
| [05:15:46] | Hilikus: | whats the 500? |
| [05:15:56] | ShockValue: | its nice not to have to screw with cards and such |
| [05:16:06] | ShockValue: | i think the 500 is 2 SD tuners on 1 card |
| [05:16:12] | Dr_willis: | be nicer if my cable company had FW for their digital box's |
| [05:16:14] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [05:16:26] | Dr_willis: | but i just watch a few channels. |
| [05:16:36] | ShockValue: | if its a HD box, they're required by law (US) to have a functioning firewire port |
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| [05:16:44] | mzb_d800: | yep ... totally fixed :) |
| [05:16:51] | Dr_willis: | HD is extra. and i got no hd tv's so its not a hd box. |
| [05:16:58] | ShockValue: | cool beans mzb_d800 |
| [05:17:00] | mzb_d800: | err ... almost totally |
| [05:17:01] | Dr_willis: | plus thats even more extra.. i think. :) |
| [05:17:17] | Dr_willis: | when in doubt.. Nickle and Dime people to death. |
| [05:17:20] | mzb_d800: | 90% improvement, anyway |
| [05:18:05] | crazy_bus: | which of these cards is recommended. Or is there a better place in Australia to get them. http://www.gamedude.com.au/static/prod_list.p . . . roup=DIGITAL |
| [05:18:06] | mzb_d800: | makes me think that the remainder (still same positions) are mouse-cursor-image-related |
| [05:19:57] | ShockValue: | this singles collection for new order is a pretty good set |
| [05:20:19] | ShockValue: | got it as a really really late bday present from my sis today :) |
| [05:21:21] | crazy_bus: | are usb digital tv tuner sticks any good. Or is it better to get a card? |
| [05:22:45] | ShockValue: | crazy_bus: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Tuner_Card#Cards_that_work |
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| [05:24:35] | ShockValue: | crazy_bus: http://www.shopbot.com.au/p-13030-958172.html |
| [05:25:56] | crazy_bus: | thanks for the links. I'm reading them now |
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| [05:27:08] | ShockValue: | i dont know if you want to spend that much on a pvr500, but its a good card and well suported.. any of the "PVR" series cards are pretty good |
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| [05:28:04] | Dagmar: | ShockValue: If you're considering ever getting a second tuner, the PVR-500 is a win |
| [05:28:32] | ShockValue: | nah.. i'd just daisy-chain the firewire boxes together :) |
| [05:28:48] | Dagmar: | It's *very* nice to have two tuners, if for nothing more than being able to watch something live without breaking a recording on another channel |
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| [05:29:07] | Dagmar: | Or you can do the evil thing I'm about to do, and use them for video processing |
| [05:29:11] | rooaus: | ShockValue: Look for a plug in alsa for the mythmusic prob, you probably need to upsample the 44.1 to 48kHz. |
| [05:29:19] | Dagmar: | I can't quite get EffecTV to do what I want yet, but the OSD has been handy |
| [05:29:23] | ShockValue: | yeah, my wife is the master of interrupting my "stupid and boring" recordings so she can watch "biggest loser" or some crap :) |
| [05:30:11] | crazy_bus: | $294 seems to a bit too much for my first tv card. Are there any recommended cheaper ones? |
| [05:30:17] | Dagmar: | rooaus: I generally just advise people to set the sampling rate for recording to 48K to begin with if they're using analog tuning |
| [05:30:35] | ShockValue: | its mythmusic that im having problems with Dag.. not my recordings |
| [05:30:57] | Dagmar: | Everything can play back 48K, but the cards that are picky about it get very tetchy when you feed them at 44.1 |
| [05:31:22] | Dagmar: | ShockValue: Same thing applies |
| [05:31:25] | ShockValue: | testing out this fix now.. brb: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4288022. . . . 48554236fca7 |
| [05:31:39] | Dagmar: | An mp3 plays back at whatever sample rate the renderer is set to |
| [05:32:01] | ShockValue: | so can i re-render my flac files to 48000? ive never tried that |
| [05:32:11] | Dagmar: | ...unlike wav files which are rather explicitly sampled |
| [05:32:52] | Dagmar: | I don't know about flac, although I figure it's probably similiar to MP3 in the manner of what exactly gets stuffed into the files |
| [05:33:17] | Dagmar: | Switching between 44.1 and 48 gets unpleasant in a few key ways tho |
| [05:33:56] | Dagmar: | So, resampling a wav file between those two freqs in either direction will introduce audio artifacting |
| [05:34:08] | Dagmar: | i.e., "some bad crap you can hear" |
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| [05:34:46] | Dagmar: | When the recording is being stored in a format that's basically a lot of detail about what waveforms need to be reconstructed, it's a bit like the difference between a bitmap graphic, and an SVG image |
| [05:35:02] | Dagmar: | Output resolution is not as prone to screwing you up |
| [05:38:01] | floppyears: | hi guys |
| [05:38:09] | floppyears: | so mythtv is running perfectly fine irght now |
| [05:38:32] | floppyears: | I can record tv, watch tv, watch dvd, mythweb works fine and everything is dandy |
| [05:38:38] | floppyears: | where do I go from here? |
| [05:39:02] | floppyears: | what stuff should I do now to optimize myth or get the most out of myth, or make it run smooth, etc ? |
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| [05:43:30] | ShockValue: | hrm, none of the resampling plugins seemed to do anything in my asound.conf |
| [05:45:55] | ShockValue: | half tempted to just plug in my old USB optical sound card and call it done |
| [05:46:51] | crazy_bus: | there's a Hauppauge Nova-T PCI HD TV Tuner Card going on ebay for $20. Do you recommend I buy it? i.e. anyone have experience with it in mythtv. |
| [05:50:15] | Hilikus: | how often do you guys refresh listings? |
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| [05:51:17] | ShockValue: | 3 am every night |
| [05:51:24] | Hilikus: | damn |
| [05:51:48] | Hilikus: | i do once a day and there was a schedule change, now im thinking on doing it twice or something |
| [05:52:05] | Hilikus: | cause the stupid recording got linked to the wrong show |
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| [05:53:08] | Hilikus: | i was thinking a 15day at 12am and a 1 day at 5pm or something like that |
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| [05:55:33] | floppyears: | Hilikus: I do it once a day since that's the default |
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| [06:06:21] | just_joe: | should a ati radeon 9250 give good video out? mine is a little pixelated and choppy |
| [06:06:57] | just_joe: | or am I just not encoding it well enough? |
| [06:07:13] | just_joe: | by it i mean tv |
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| [06:09:46] | Hilikus: | is there a way to hide some channel in the list and everywhere? i have a list of ALL my cable channels but i dont access to all of them, so i dont want the thing to record something from a channel thats blacked out |
| [06:12:23] | Hilikus: | nm |
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| [06:25:41] | just_joe: | does anybody have any experience with the geforce fx5200 series with tv-out? mythtv's web page says it works but i don't see any quality ratings on there or anyplace else |
| [06:29:53] | anonobomber: | just_joe: if you're going to be using regular tv out you're probably not going to have to worry about quality much anyways since the set you'll be using it on isn't going to be that good anyways |
| [06:30:32] | just_joe: | well how close can I get to it looking like "normal" tv quality? |
| [06:30:45] | floppyears: | Hilikus: you could do it twice a day and just grab less info instead of 15 days worth of data ? |
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| [06:30:45] | anonobomber: | should look the same |
| [06:30:56] | floppyears: | although I don't think running it twice a day is too much |
| [06:31:18] | Hilikus: | [01:53a] <Hilikus> i was thinking a 15day at 12am and a 1 day at 5pm or something like that |
| [06:31:21] | just_joe: | mine looks a little splotchy |
| [06:31:34] | floppyears: | Hilikus: oh yeah sorry I missed that :) |
| [06:31:41] | Hilikus: | thanks |
| [06:31:56] | floppyears: | Hilikus: I'm surprised though, I didn't know that tv listing data could change within the day |
| [06:31:57] | just_joe: | its not obvious but it is not the same, my cable feed looks sharp and clear the myth feed looks a little dull |
| [06:32:18] | Hilikus: | i didnt either, they changed heroes for the office today |
| [06:32:46] | floppyears: | just_joe: you should test viewing livetv hit record and then watch that recording on another computer |
| [06:32:52] | robbins61: | i hosed my fedora install...now i'm going to reinstall it. what all do i need to backup to make getting my mythtv setup back and running as painlessly as possible? i've got /mnt/store (tv folder), my movies, i made a backup of mythconverg |
| [06:32:59] | floppyears: | see if there's a huge difference in playback quality |
| [06:33:15] | floppyears: | robbins61: config files ? |
| [06:33:26] | robbins61: | floppyears, where are those? |
| [06:33:27] | just_joe: | i tried that floppy, i would say the monitor version is slightly clearer than the tv-out version |
| [06:33:49] | anonobomber: | robbins61: watch out a couple days ago I saw the dependencies in atrpms were a bit screwed up for the mythtv packages for FC6 and F7 |
| [06:33:51] | floppyears: | robbins61: it depends. YOu probably want to backup your .lircrc and your .mythtv folder |
| [06:34:06] | floppyears: | as well as whatever script you use to start the backend, frontend, etc |
| [06:34:48] | robbins61: | oh damn, that lirc folder for sure |
| [06:35:09] | just_joe: | is live tv "best quality" or is there some compression and loss in it? |
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| [06:35:27] | floppyears: | just_joe: if it's just a slight difference then I would say, probably something within your video card or tv-out |
| [06:35:37] | floppyears: | just_joe: it depends on your settings |
| [06:36:26] | floppyears: | just_joe: you can setup stuff like resolution, bitrate etc |
| [06:36:57] | just_joe: | i'll check floppy they are the default mythdora settings but I suspect the video card since i dont see the problem as much on the monitor |
| [06:37:12] | just_joe: | the resolution just seems a little degraded |
| [06:37:17] | floppyears: | robbins61: also you should backup your /etc/lirc config files |
| [06:37:40] | just_joe: | anybody know if a nvida geforce fx5200 will give better tv-out than a ati rx9250? |
| [06:37:42] | floppyears: | just_joe: as I recall the default values weren't the greatest |
| [06:37:59] | just_joe: | floppy: DOH I will check on that asap. I did not know that |
| [06:38:17] | floppyears: | ok |
| [06:39:21] | just_joe: | does having a monitor and tv-out at the same time affect quality like this also? I still have my monitor hooked up |
| [06:40:14] | floppyears: | have no clue, at this time your best way of finding out is experimentation since a lot of mythtv users could be sleeping in the US |
| [06:40:57] | floppyears: | although depending on your house grounding, etc you could have interference or your tv signal could not be very good if you are using too many splitters |
| [06:44:37] | just_joe: | good point |
| [06:45:04] | just_joe: | i guess I'll have to experiment I was trying to avoid the semi painful switch from ati to nvidi |
| [06:45:33] | floppyears: | robbins61: just to be on the safe side, also read one of the many mythtv installation guides and see what else you should backup |
| [06:46:03] | floppyears: | robbins61: another thing to backup to be on the safe side is your /etc and /home folder use bzip2 or something to compress them |
| [06:47:15] | floppyears: | just_joe: I would suggest going with nvidia since the drivers are better than the ati cards |
| [06:47:23] | floppyears: | as long as you are using the propietary nvidia drivers |
| [06:47:35] | robbins61: | floppyears, how do you show hidden files in console? |
| [06:47:43] | floppyears: | robbins61: ls -a |
| [06:48:00] | floppyears: | robbins61: the files with names that begin with a "dot" . are hidden |
| [06:49:18] | robbins61: | thanks |
| [06:49:23] | floppyears: | np |
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| [06:58:51] | floppyears: | robbins61: also you list the packages that you have on your machine so that when you do a reinstall you could check and see what packages you need to reinstall |
| [07:04:43] | drgeb: | where can I find out if pinnacle PCTV HD pro stick can work with mythtv ? |
| [07:06:52] | robbins61: | which is easier to use: fedora or suse? |
| [07:09:27] | drgeb: | ubuntu |
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| [07:22:52] | floppyears: | robbins61: yeah I highly suggest ubuntu |
| [07:23:04] | floppyears: | easy to use and fast to install |
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| [07:38:24] | robbins61: | i've been in fedora for nearly 2 years |
| [07:39:01] | xris: | Dagmar: that's because urethane glues like that are designed for wood.. foams to fill in cracks |
| [07:39:19] | ** xris curses scrollback and the scrollbar that doesn't follow the chat. ** | |
| [07:40:02] | floppyears: | hi guys |
| [07:40:18] | floppyears: | I'm using commercial skip set to notify |
| [07:40:32] | floppyears: | bt it doesn't do anything, it doesn't notify me of commercials or anything :( |
| [07:41:16] | meshugga: | robbins61: rpm is dying |
| [07:41:23] | meshugga: | start using ubuntu for your own good :) |
| [07:41:51] | ** meshugga has been on redhat professionally for 8 years ** | |
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| [07:42:17] | meshugga: | apt just kicks ass compared to rpm |
| [07:42:30] | meshugga: | not to mention that ubuntu has much better karma :) |
| [07:42:43] | ShockValue: | im still a fan of emerge :) |
| [07:43:00] | meshugga: | heh |
| [07:43:04] | meshugga: | gentoo was a nice idea |
| [07:43:22] | meshugga: | but it blew its chance to stay on my desktop when an update rendered the system unusable |
| [07:43:50] | meshugga: | and it blew its chance to stay on the server when after half a year it wasnt possible to install anything without updating the rest :))) |
| [07:44:16] | ShockValue: | if some other system ive ever used was impervious to breaking, i might switch.. but ive wrecked redhat, debian, windows, etc.. |
| [07:44:18] | meshugga: | but very innovative |
| [07:44:41] | meshugga: | ShockValue: use ubuntu, normally you don't have to use unstable packages because it is quite up to date |
| [07:44:47] | meshugga: | so chances of wrecking are minor |
| [07:45:28] | meshugga: | in my experience, people normally wreck systems when trying to install something more up-to-date than included in the distro |
| [07:45:44] | ShockValue: | distro evangelism <yawn> |
| [07:45:59] | meshugga: | nah |
| [07:46:11] | meshugga: | dont get me wrong |
| [07:46:25] | meshugga: | as said, i used redhat/RHEL/CentOS professionally |
| [07:46:36] | meshugga: | and i still do if a customer needs enterprise support |
| [07:46:39] | meshugga: | but rpm is dying |
| [07:47:00] | meshugga: | and gentoo is too much of a hassle if you don'T want to play with the technology |
| [07:47:17] | ShockValue: | if i didnt want to play with the technology I'd buy a mac |
| [07:47:21] | meshugga: | yet, everybody should have used gentoo once, to learn some thing |
| [07:47:26] | meshugga: | ShockValue: :))) |
| [07:48:05] | meshugga: | "if i'd want to give away my consumer rights, i'd buy an iphone" |
| [07:48:23] | ShockValue: | macs are great. for my sister. |
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| [07:50:16] | floppyears: | the one thing that I love about gentoo is the great docs and forums they have |
| [07:52:01] | meshugga: | yep |
| [07:52:03] | meshugga: | they are great |
| [07:52:09] | meshugga: | really great |
| [07:52:17] | meshugga: | even for professionals |
| [07:52:32] | meshugga: | "i want to play with kerberos" |
| [07:52:58] | meshugga: | possibility a) read kerberos dos (1 week), try to install (2 weeks) |
| [07:53:14] | floppyears: | yeah |
| [07:53:30] | meshugga: | possibility b) read gentoo howto (10 minutes), install kerberos (1day), play around (3weeks) |
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| [08:03:06] | Hilikus: | is there some kind of recording groups thaht would let me change priorities? like one group of really important shows and other not so much, so that when i schedule the recording, i can decide if it will give it high priority or not |
| [08:03:26] | meshugga: | lol |
| [08:03:35] | meshugga: | like "House" and "According to Jim" or what :) |
| [08:04:21] | Hilikus: | those shows suck, but if you like them, yea, whatever |
| [08:04:30] | Hilikus: | like house |
| [08:04:38] | meshugga: | ... |
| [08:04:50] | floppyears: | Hilikus: when you record a program you can set the priority, and all that kind of stuff |
| [08:05:08] | Hilikus: | yeah but i would like if possible to have them predefined |
| [08:06:38] | Hilikus: | i guess i cant, anyway... ill do it manually for each |
| [08:07:13] | Hilikus: | it just sucks that if you have 1 2 4 8 to schedule a 8 you would have to clkck a million times |
| [08:07:28] | Hilikus: | (8) |
| [08:09:00] | floppyears: | yeah, I don't think there's a way to setup groups that have those settings predefined :( |
| [08:09:16] | floppyears: | Hilikus: if you're new to mythtv, I'd suggest installing mythweb. it's a nice admin tool to have |
| [08:09:31] | Hilikus: | i guess most peolpe are scheduling now using mythweb |
| [08:10:22] | floppyears: | it's a lot easier to do many operations using a mythweb since you have a full keyboard & mouse compared to just a remote |
| [08:11:09] | Hilikus: | whats that profile field under scheduled recordings?? |
| [08:11:26] | Hilikus: | i remember now why i thought there was such a thing |
| [08:11:29] | Hilikus: | from there |
| [08:11:45] | Hilikus: | profile and recgroup |
| [08:12:25] | floppyears: | oh, cool that's nice to know |
| [08:12:33] | floppyears: | mythtv has so many freaking options :( |
| [08:14:34] | xris: | floppyears: not uncommon among OSS programs |
| [08:14:49] | xris: | wish someone would write a nice shared interface to the settings so I could add a global settings editor to mythweb. |
| [08:15:33] | Hilikus: | how do i schedule a recording? whats the manual/custome thing |
| [08:15:35] | floppyears: | xris: yeah, I think mythtv needs someone to head some work to do surveys, collect data and create a new interface kind of like what drupal has |
| [08:15:55] | drgeb: | Yahoo I got it to work!! except now I need to learn how to get program listings into Mythtv |
| [08:16:01] | floppyears: | Hilikus: I think that allows you to setup a channel, time, date etc manually |
| [08:16:15] | floppyears: | Hilikus: most people would use the program finder, or some of the categories |
| [08:16:39] | xris: | floppyears: myth needs to upgrade to the new UI code before an interface overhaul can happen |
| [08:18:49] | floppyears: | xris: agreed, but in the meantime surveys surveys/polls and other things could be used to gather input on what user's habits are, what they think needs improvement, etc |
| [08:22:01] | floppyears: | xris: I'm referring to something like this: http://www.civicactions.com/node/437 |
| [08:22:38] | xris: | that implies that the mythtv devs are organized.. :) |
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| [08:23:08] | floppyears: | xris: hehe, maybe they just need a little more help ;) |
| [08:23:38] | Negra: | I am trying to configure UPNP Mediaserver for a D-Link vox can someone help please? |
| [08:23:40] | xris: | or spending less time working on SD. oh, wait, that excuse only works for me. heh |
| [08:23:46] | xris: | Negra: using svn trunk? |
| [08:23:59] | floppyears: | xris: by the way sd has been working great :) |
| [08:24:01] | floppyears: | love it |
| [08:24:18] | xris: | I want to play with the raw data feed more... |
| [08:24:21] | Negra: | I want to stream to a hstandalone hardware rendered a Dlink MSD320. |
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| [08:24:51] | xris: | but can't spend as much time on SD as before.. just too much work for not getting paid (though that may eventually change) |
| [08:26:08] | floppyears: | xris: do you mind if I ask you how many hrs per week does it take to code something like that ? |
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| [08:29:17] | xris: | SD? took me and robert somewhere around 200 hours total to code the current website, payment gateways, etc. (I think about 120 hours for me and 80 for him) |
| [08:29:44] | xris: | probably double or triple that number to switch to hosting the data ourselves. |
| [08:31:16] | xris: | we sort of lost track around 40 hours, though |
| [08:31:21] | xris: | so it's hard to know for sure |
| [08:31:39] | floppyears: | wow |
| [08:32:02] | floppyears: | xris: that's a lot of hours, are you a student, or do you have a day job? how did you manage all that time ? |
| [08:33:29] | xris: | day ob |
| [08:33:30] | xris: | job |
| [08:33:42] | xris: | about 3–4 weeks of evenings/weekends |
| [08:35:03] | floppyears: | wow |
| [08:36:05] | xris: | sort of a drop in the bucket compared to the time I put into mythweb/nuvexport over the years. |
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| [08:36:16] | xris: | it's all just good practice for the day job. :) |
| [08:36:18] | xris: | and more fun |
| [08:36:21] | floppyears: | true |
| [08:37:00] | floppyears: | I volunteer coding an app for a local group, and the W is always on my back about all the time I spend coding :( |
| [08:37:32] | xris: | mine spends her time with her nose buried in her laptop... |
| [08:37:41] | xris: | I usually have to drag her to do stuff. |
| [08:38:00] | floppyears: | hehe |
| [08:38:07] | xris: | anyway, time for me to crash. 'night. |
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| [09:32:12] | crazy_bus: | do the Hauppauge PVR cards only receive analogue television. Or do they also receive free over the air digital? |
| [09:36:01] | crazy_bus: | is there anyway to trick windows into emulating the numbpad? |
| [09:36:17] | crazy_bus: | sorry, wrong channel |
| [09:36:50] | directhex: | crazy_bus, the PVR cards are analog-only |
| [09:37:09] | directhex: | crazy_bus, the (unsupported AFAIK) HVR cards are combo mpeg encoder & dvb tuner cards |
| [09:37:31] | crazy_bus: | so it's better if I get a Nova if I want to watch digital? |
| [09:37:58] | directhex: | well, the pvr would be completely useless for digital, so yes |
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| [09:39:39] | zanthus: | hi everyone |
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| [09:44:14] | AndyCap: | :/ seems linux dvb-apps and friends doesn't support the latest shiny stuff that the local provider carries in their mux'es |
| [09:45:35] | AndyCap: | h.264 + HE-AAC |
| [09:52:15] | zanthus: | I have a newbie question about mythtv. In capturing live tv on the backend and sending it across the network to the frontend is this stream encoded with a particular codec? |
| [10:01:12] | crazy_bus: | if a usb device isn't listed in the myth tv list (there are only 6 ones there)but is listed as working at linuxtv.org. will it work with mythtv? |
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| [10:17:18] | rooaus: | crazy_bus: You after a pci express card or pci? |
| [10:18:39] | crazy_bus: | what is the difference. This is my first card |
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| [10:20:53] | rooaus: | depends on what "slots" your motherboard has. Have a look at http://digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/airstar2.html, reasonably priced and has linux support. |
| [10:21:54] | crazy_bus: | are cards better than the little usb sticks? |
| [10:23:19] | rooaus: | personally I wouldn't go for a USB tuner, some people have had probs with usb cards and needing to reload kernel modules to get them working again. Personal preference though. |
| [10:24:40] | directhex: | linuxtv.org is the definitive list |
| [10:24:56] | directhex: | i didn't even know mythtv bothered with a list, since it just uses the underlying v4l devices |
| [10:25:02] | crazy_bus: | this is my motherboard http://www.xpcgear.com/asusp5bvm.html can you recommend a cheap card to buy from australia? |
| [10:25:16] | directhex: | and generally, i'd go for a PCI card, not a USB dongle |
| [10:25:32] | crazy_bus: | even if linuxtv says the usb will work? |
| [10:25:34] | directhex: | wintv nova-t? tried & trusted |
| [10:26:04] | directhex: | as rooaus says, many people have problems with usb devices randomly stopping working. which isn't good for your recordings |
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| [10:29:00] | rooaus: | crazy_bus: You could use the pci card I linked to before, that mobo has 2 pci slots. I haven't used it but they sell it as linux compatible. |
| [10:30:43] | gbee: | <Offtopic> if I'm looking at two almost identically specced laptops where one has a Radeon Express 200M and the other an Intel GMA 900 – what differences am I looking at?</Offtopic> |
| [10:30:57] | crazy_bus: | is it ok to buy one of ebay, As this is my first time and I'm not sure if I'll use it much |
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| [10:32:20] | rooaus: | crazy_bus: If you want, but the linux support is the issue. If you get the wrong card you will need to check out the v4l tree and build drivers yourself... or if the right card, it will just work. |
| [10:32:31] | gbee: | may be a stupid question, but since I've not been paying much attention on the hardware developments I'm not sure if, for example, the Intel Graphics chipsets do decent 3D? Hardware accelerated openGL would be nice |
| [10:33:27] | rooaus: | gbee: You using linux? |
| [10:33:53] | rooaus: | crazy_bus: Careful with the nova-t card, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/280612 |
| [10:34:12] | gbee: | rooaus: it will be using linux, and yes I know the ATi drivers suck but there are supposed to be better ones on the way now they are owned by AMD |
| [10:35:01] | gbee: | I'm not buying the laptop for myself, it's for my parents (hence I'm buying the cheapest one I can find with a decent manufacturer and reasonable spec) |
| [10:36:19] | gbee: | personally I'd opt for a laptop with Nvidia graphics (as the one I'm using now does), but the choice I've got is between two models Intel vs ATi |
| [10:36:52] | rooaus: | gbee: I haven't kept up with it myself, but I wouldn't buy another laptop with ATI unless it at least supported the open source driver, it drives me mad. Not sure about the X200, see if it is supported by the OS drivers. |
| [10:37:17] | gbee: | rooaus: good point, I'll check that first |
| [10:40:09] | directhex: | gbee, ati chipsets are shit? |
| [10:40:31] | gbee: | just looked up the Intel GMA 900 – claims OpenGL 1.4 support, which I assume means hardware acceleration |
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| [10:41:02] | directhex: | gbee, intel onboard has vendor-supported open-source 3d graphics. ati chipsets are generally poorly behaved in linux, and at this poit in time still use reverse-engineered drivers with so-so support for anything |
| [10:41:18] | gbee: | directhex: that's one point of view – like I say, I haven't kept up with hardware developments but I used to be an ATi fan |
| [10:41:30] | directhex: | gbee, it's not a point of view, it's fact! |
| [10:42:19] | rooaus: | directhex: But that is expected to change with the release of the register programming info, time will tell though. Certainly give nvidia something to think about. |
| [10:42:39] | directhex: | rooaus, it's not just the 3d though. ati's motheboard chipsets are known-bad in linux |
| [10:43:03] | directhex: | rooaus, i.e. they check the OS's ACPI identification string, and send garbage ACPI data on non-windows |
| [10:43:59] | gbee: | directhex: yeah I know the driver situation isn't great, but rumour has it that things are changing and I'm not in a great hurry to get the most out of the hardware, for the first few months simple 2D functionality will be fine but I'd like to think it at least had the possibility of working with OpenGL based apps |
| [10:44:13] | rooaus: | gbee: Apparently Beryl is straightforward with Intel graphics (if that is important?). |
| [10:44:20] | directhex: | rooaus, it is |
| [10:44:32] | directhex: | rooaus, compiz fusion is out-of-the-box on my old intel-based laptop |
| [10:45:07] | directhex: | gbee, you give the impression that the decision is aleady made |
| [10:45:21] | gbee: | rooaus: that helps certainly, I loaned my laptop (with compiz-fusion running) to my parents the other night, they liked the practical stuff it offers |
| [10:45:46] | rooaus: | directhex: They deliberately poison the ACPI info? Man, they need to wake up! |
| [10:46:15] | gbee: | directhex: not at all, just saying that the driver situation isn't too important if the Radeon is really superior to the Intel for any reason |
| [10:46:23] | directhex: | rooaus, iirc the kernel now identifies itself as win2k when querying ati boards as a workaround |
| [10:46:42] | directhex: | gbee, it's marginally faster in 3d games in windows |
| [10:47:37] | gbee: | but right now I'm convinced that the Intel provides what I'm looking for, and the Intel machine has a couple of other minor differences that put it ahead of the ATi one – so I'll go for that one |
| [10:47:54] | rooaus: | directhex: talk about a tainted kernel, who would have thought you would find the string "win2k" in a linux kernel. |
| [10:48:32] | gbee: | thanks for everyones help – sorry for being lazy and not doing the research myself but I'm time-constrained, have to make the order now since their previous laptop died during the week |
| [10:49:04] | rooaus: | gbee: No probs, thanks for all your work on myth! ;) |
| [10:49:43] | directhex: | the only minor point, linux-specific, is intel boards will only use display modes stored in the VGA BIOS – so hooking up to exteral screens can be an adventure |
| [10:49:43] | gbee: | that and I know that you are all nice, helpful folk (and I can abuse my status as a developer to ask OT questions :P ) |
| [10:49:57] | rooaus: | lol |
| [10:50:25] | gbee: | directhex: can't say that I ever see that being an issue, but it's worth knowing :) |
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| [10:52:05] | gbee: | my parents are only barely computer literate – office work is the limit of their experience so they are unlikely to do anything with the laptop like playing games or hooking it up to external monitors |
| [10:52:08] | Weezey: | When I build from cvs, my visualizations don't work anymore. How do I put them back? |
| [10:57:43] | rooaus: | Weezey: What was the output of ./configure? Did you meet the required dependencies for the visualisations? |
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| [11:09:29] | fabi: | hi i've got a problem with installing mythtv on ubuntu gutsy when running mythtv-setup it complains that it must stop mythtv-backend, i enter that it is okay, then in the terminal there appear many errors about database problems , then a window appears where i have to specify database connections, what should i put in there? |
| [11:10:02] | gyllen: | I've been googling like crazy for a site that recommends the ultimate silent htpc to build for use with mythTV. Can someone point me at any direction |
| [11:11:02] | rooaus: | gyllen: That site doesn't exist, you need to take a a bit from here and a bit from there. |
| [11:12:10] | directhex: | fabi, do you have mysql-server actually installed? |
| [11:12:23] | fabi: | directhex, yes |
| [11:12:41] | gyllen: | rooaus: Not even a site with succesefull builds |
| [11:13:04] | fabi: | error :http://paste.ubuntu.com/652/ |
| [11:13:57] | rooaus: | gyllen: When I was building my box I found www.silentpcreview.com handy. |
| [11:14:23] | gyllen: | rooaus: Whats your specs? |
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| [11:16:23] | rooaus: | Nothing special... 1G Ram, AMD64 3000 and a few hard drives, 3 DVB-T tuners. |
| [11:16:57] | directhex: | fabi, looks like the old "user messed around with their mysql passwords" problem |
| [11:17:13] | fabi: | directhex, how can i fic this? |
| [11:18:44] | rooaus: | Seems like the Core2 duos might be the go nowadays, check that web site they should have a ranking on coolest processors. It really is about cooling, they also rank the best fans as well. |
| [11:20:14] | gyllen: | Any nice casing to recommend |
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| [11:20:47] | gyllen: | I'll guess case, mobo and TV-capture card are importanta as well |
| [11:21:00] | rooaus: | gyllen: Absolutely, just a minute... |
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| [11:23:01] | rooaus: | gyllen: I have an X11, they are expensive but look good. http://www.origenae.com/en/index.htm :) |
| [11:23:27] | directhex: | erm... the single-htpc approach is SO Windows Media Center |
| [11:23:58] | directhex: | if you want a nice *mythtv* setup, go for the biggest machine you ca (e.g. coolermaster stacker), shove it ni a wardribe, and use something silent but deadly like a mac mini as a frontend |
| [11:24:33] | rooaus: | directhex: mmm... mac mini. Forgot about that. |
| [11:24:58] | directhex: | rooaus, core2, dvd writer, miniscule, silent |
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| [11:28:15] | gyllen: | I don't have a wardrobe to show a monster pc in though |
| [11:28:52] | directhex: | you're looking at THOUSANDS to build a powerful, silent full-on machine |
| [11:29:02] | directhex: | no matter how much you spend, it'll still be noisy |
| [11:32:37] | gbee: | low-noise is good enough for most, silent is near impossible if you take silent according to the dictionary meaning (completely inaudible) |
| [11:33:36] | gyllen: | gbee: Low noise is good enough for me |
| [11:34:15] | gyllen: | does anybody have som nice core 2 duo specs |
| [11:34:44] | gbee: | you can spend a lot less for a low-noise machine which would work in a living room, especially if you normally use that room for watching TV where any noise made by the machine would easily drowned out |
| [11:36:07] | directhex: | gbee, depends how sensitive an ear you have. i'm buggered, as the only working aerial socket in my house is in the living room |
| [11:36:14] | directhex: | so my 8-disk pentium-d machine lives there |
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| [11:38:19] | gyllen: | gbee: Whats your specs? What casing do you have? |
| [11:40:12] | gbee: | directhex: I've pretty sensitive hearing, I can tell you that the TV (muted) is on from any room in the house becaues I can hear the high pitch noise it emits – no-one else can hear it ;) Yet I can easily tune out the low frequency fan noise from the computers and backend |
| [11:43:10] | gbee: | gyllen: my specs aren't too impressive, can't really help you there – I'd like to eventually get one of the Asus Pundits as a be/fe for the living room, maybe extending it with a slave backend eventually but right now I'm just using an old desktop pc for a backend |
| [11:44:06] | gyllen: | gbee: Asus pundits? |
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| [11:45:11] | directhex: | ugly plastic mini-atx machines, iirc |
| [11:45:18] | gbee: | gyllen: small Barebones PCs – limited space inside but enough for a couple of tuners, a DVD-RW and a single HDD – built in Nvidia graphics and TV-out |
| [11:45:19] | directhex: | from a company who don't understand technology, no less |
| [11:45:36] | gbee: | very pretty – at least the one I want |
| [11:45:50] | gyllen: | silent? |
| [11:46:15] | gbee: | quiet, maybe not silent – too subjective to say exactly |
| [11:48:01] | gbee: | directhex: heh, we don't really agree on much do we? I like Asus, my laptop is Asus and I'm extremely happy with it |
| [11:48:08] | gyllen: | OK, its quiter than an normal PC |
| [11:49:08] | gbee: | and the Pundit barebones are the best spec'd mini cases for a Mythtv frontend or backend in that price range |
| [11:50:20] | gbee: | http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv.php < Go down to the section on "Powering On", might help |
| [11:50:45] | gyllen: | S-presso? |
| [11:54:01] | directhex: | gbee, my machine is asus. they couldn't design their way out of a teapot. |
| [11:54:56] | directhex: | gbee, the ACPI implementation is garbage so i can't use cpu frequency scaling, and their complete bodge job of the ethernet controller's bios means several hard-lockups a day |
| [11:59:44] | gyllen: | directhex: So you wouldn recommende asus |
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| [12:05:18] | directhex: | personally? not at all, no |
| [12:05:37] | directhex: | which is a shame, because they seem to be one of only two companies still makig interesting desktop board designs |
| [12:06:40] | gyllen: | directhex: What about this one http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/std/sku=spcr_am2_media.html |
| [12:06:47] | gbee: | don't have any of those problems with their laptops – guess I'm lucky |
| [12:07:47] | directhex: | gyllen, on paper, it's fine |
| [12:07:55] | directhex: | the proof is in the pudding |
| [12:08:07] | gyllen: | :) |
| [12:09:19] | directhex: | on paper, my board is spot on |
| [12:09:47] | directhex: | in reality, i'm drawing 130w at all times on my cpu, and have to use an aftermarket network card, because of glaring design flaws in the bioses |
| [12:12:45] | gbee: | wonder if the kubuntu beta is stable enough to be used for the ten days until Gutsy is officially released |
| [12:13:22] | gbee: | directhex: problems they haven't fixed in updated firmware? |
| [12:15:28] | gyllen: | gbee,directhex: Anything you would change on this machine? |
| [12:18:40] | gbee: | gyllen: nothing immediately stands out, but I'm not the best person to ask really – I've not been shopping for hardware recently and so I'm a little out of touch |
| [12:19:25] | gbee: | hardware support in recent kernels has been excellant, but I'd still doublecheck that all the components are supported |
| [12:23:04] | directhex: | gbee, problems that only manifest in linux, so won't be fixed |
| [12:26:11] | sphery: | gbee: did you see my message about the fullscreen/Compiz issue? |
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| [12:38:07] | gbee: | sphery: yeah, thanks – I'll follow that up and maybe see if it leads to a solution |
| [12:39:16] | gbee: | a solution which doesn't involve re-writing everything for QT4, even if it does need to be done eventually |
| [12:39:42] | directhex: | qt4? gtk! |
| [12:39:50] | sphery: | gbee: Yeah. There's a program in existence which allows a user to manually add props to any given window, but I can't remember the name of the app... |
| [12:40:25] | sphery: | gbee: Do you know if QT allows just injecting new (not known by QT) props? The atom's value is at: http://www.bessrc.aps.anl.gov/software/qt4-x1 . . . 4b3d3830dcd8 |
| [12:40:32] | sphery: | (easy place to link to source of QT ;) |
| [12:40:57] | sphery: | Otherwise, may require using X code directly ( http://linux.die.net/man/3/xsetwmproperties ). |
| [12:41:08] | gbee: | sphery: I don't know if it does, but that's something I'll be looking for |
| [12:41:28] | sphery: | I'll see if I can find the name of the app that allows modification of window props. |
| [12:42:06] | sphery: | Yeah, based on what I've seen, it seems that there is no way do set unknown properties through the QT API. |
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| [12:45:26] | Weezey: | rooaus: you still around? what do I need for the visualizations? it says openGL, libvisual, FFTWv3 and SDL will be installed with MythMusic. AAC is the only thing that isn't. |
| [12:47:59] | rooaus: | Weezey: That seems correct from memory. |
| [12:49:34] | sphery: | gbee: For a quick test: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Extrawm |
| [12:49:55] | sphery: | Requires no changes to Myth and allows setting fullscreen. |
| [12:50:12] | sphery: | Time for volleyball... Good luck with the fullscreen thing. |
| [12:50:49] | gbee: | sphery: first look suggests setting it directly might not be too bad – I'll test that plugin though |
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| [12:58:11] | rooaus: | Weezey: What visualisations are you missing? |
| [13:02:46] | gbee: | plugin doesn't seem to do anything, hitting the key combo for toggle fullscreen doesn't work on any window I have open |
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| [13:07:54] | sphery: | gbee: The atom is just a hint for the window manager. It may be that the WM doesn't respond to its changing. Might need to force a redraw or something. |
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| [13:08:28] | sphery: | Otherwise, you'll probably have to write the code ensuring it's set before the mfe window is shown the first. |
| [13:13:16] | fryfrog: | man, linux kernel software raid is awesome |
| [13:13:31] | fryfrog: | 6x320G -> 8x320G w/o going offline! |
| [13:13:59] | tcpsyn: | I need some more disks |
| [13:14:04] | fryfrog: | who doesn't :) |
| [13:14:17] | fryfrog: | now my case is full though, i'd have to get creative to add more |
| [13:14:53] | tcpsyn: | mine too |
| [13:15:07] | tcpsyn: | I was thinking about an external array |
| [13:15:15] | tcpsyn: | but they're still too expensive for me |
| [13:20:29] | rooaus: | Weezey: Libvisual has plugins, you may need to install the visualisation plugins for the libvisual "engine". Depending on your distro they could be something like projectM or libvisual plugins. |
| [13:21:06] | fryfrog: | tcpsyn: i think the next step for me to expand would be one of those "cages" that takes up say, 2x 5.25" bays and gives you 3–5 3.5" bays (but verticle instead of horizontal) |
| [13:21:16] | fryfrog: | but like you said, they are pretty expensive |
| [13:22:22] | squish102: | does mythtv support x264? how do i find out? google was not too much help |
| [13:22:42] | fryfrog: | my version of svn head from weeks ago plays them |
| [13:22:48] | tcpsyn: | fryfrog, I was looking at some of those buffalo boxes |
| [13:22:55] | fryfrog: | well, x264/h264 inside an mkv container |
| [13:22:55] | tcpsyn: | a 2 tb nas device |
| [13:22:57] | tcpsyn: | or so |
| [13:23:00] | tcpsyn: | that should last a while |
| [13:23:06] | tcpsyn: | but It's like 1000.00 |
| [13:23:08] | fryfrog: | my *CPU* is so weak though, I can't pause, fast forward or rewind them :P |
| [13:23:11] | tcpsyn: | and I don't have that. |
| [13:23:19] | fryfrog: | i wouldn't do external device |
| [13:23:35] | fryfrog: | linux software raid is so nice, i'd just build a system with a case designed to hold a lot of drives (like I did) |
| [13:23:49] | fryfrog: | was that $1k *with* or *without* drives? |
| [13:24:10] | fryfrog: | A good case that holds 8–10 drives might be $150, a good 450W psu for like $100ish |
| [13:24:17] | fryfrog: | thats still only $250 :) |
| [13:24:29] | fryfrog: | now throw in an ass ton of the best $/GB ratio drives you can buy |
| [13:24:41] | fryfrog: | think that is 400G or 500G drives right now |
| [13:24:52] | fryfrog: | can't wait till that means 1TB drives though |
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| [13:29:36] | tcpsyn: | fryfrog, no, thats 1k with the drives. |
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| [13:30:06] | fryfrog: | hummm |
| [13:30:17] | fryfrog: | so lets see, 1k would get you a case and... |
| [13:30:27] | fryfrog: | say, 7–8 400G drives |
| [13:30:35] | fryfrog: | maybe 7–8 500G drives |
| [13:30:46] | tcpsyn: | yeah. |
| [13:30:52] | fryfrog: | 3.5TB for the price of 1TB :/ |
| [13:30:54] | fryfrog: | er, 2TB? |
| [13:30:56] | tcpsyn: | not really. |
| [13:30:58] | fryfrog: | 2tb you said |
| [13:31:00] | tcpsyn: | because you'd still need a board |
| [13:31:08] | tcpsyn: | raid card |
| [13:31:11] | fryfrog: | oh, you don't have a motherboard? |
| [13:31:14] | tcpsyn: | ps |
| [13:31:17] | fryfrog: | sil sata cards are $10 |
| [13:31:25] | fryfrog: | $250 included case and $100 for psu |
| [13:31:43] | tcpsyn: | right. |
| [13:31:49] | tcpsyn: | so it turns out about the same |
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| [13:33:02] | tcpsyn: | I don't know, it was a toss up between building a storage box, and buying a nas. |
| [13:33:10] | tcpsyn: | but... then I realized, I can't afford either. |
| [13:33:34] | fryfrog: | I don't think it turns out any where near the same |
| [13:33:39] | alan|home: | hey all. tring to install mythtv on a fresh installed mandriva 2008, i get this error |
| [13:33:54] | fryfrog: | $150 for case, $100 for psu, you can use basically any motherboard / cpu from the last 5 years. |
| [13:34:00] | alan|home: | [root@localhost initialdb]# mysql -u root < mc.sql |
| [13:34:00] | alan|home: | ERROR 1290 (HY000) at line 2: The MySQL server is running with the --skip-grant-tables option so it cannot execute this statement |
| [13:34:01] | fryfrog: | and a couple $10 sata cards |
| [13:34:20] | fryfrog: | find my.cnf and see if you can find something about "skip grant tables" in it |
| [13:34:28] | alan|home: | do you know how to override this problem ? |
| [13:34:48] | alan|home: | ok. thanks |
| [13:37:16] | tcpsyn: | mandriva |
| [13:37:18] | tcpsyn: | woah |
| [13:37:21] | tcpsyn: | thats still around |
| [13:37:29] | alan|home: | more than ever dude :) |
| [13:37:38] | tcpsyn: | i'll be damned. |
| [13:37:45] | alan|home: | the new 2008 is great :) |
| [13:37:45] | tcpsyn: | thats mandrake right? |
| [13:37:59] | alan|home: | yeah, mandrake was a registered name... |
| [13:38:06] | alan|home: | by marvel, iirc |
| [13:38:14] | alan|home: | so they had to change |
| [13:38:49] | alan|home: | nothing about grant tables in my.cnf, fryfrog |
| [13:46:06] | gbee: | I use Mandriva – just upgraded to 2008, it's nice :) |
| [13:46:31] | alan|home: | isn't it ? |
| [13:46:40] | gbee: | they changed from Mandrake to Mandriva because they merged with Connectiva Linux |
| [13:46:48] | alan|home: | except the i have a [root@localhost initialdb]# mysql -u root < mc.sql |
| [13:46:48] | alan|home: | ERROR 1290 (HY000) at line 2: The MySQL server is running with the --skip-grant-tables option so it cannot execute this statement |
| [13:47:25] | rooaus: | alan|home: --skip-grant-tables sounds like a command line option, check your init.d config scripts. |
| [13:47:28] | gbee: | alan|home: might need to edit the server init script and remove that option |
| [13:47:42] | gbee: | /etc/init.d/mysqld |
| [13:47:52] | alan|home: | ok. thanks. right on it |
| [13:51:25] | gbee: | otherwise look at the mysqld config file – something like /etc/my.cnf |
| [13:52:14] | alan|home: | gbee: i checked both... nothing revelant anywhere... |
| [13:53:54] | gbee: | odd, should be in one of those two places |
| [13:54:05] | gbee: | let me check |
| [13:54:08] | rooaus: | alan|home: Does 'ps aux | grep mysqld' show the --skip-grant-tables for mysqld |
| [13:54:23] | gbee: | I've not updated my backend to 2008 yet |
| [13:55:31] | alan|home: | rooaus: yes it does, indeed |
| [13:55:35] | alan|home: | should i kill it ? |
| [13:55:41] | rooaus: | alan|home: Some distros have /etc/conf.d/* files for config options to the /etc/init.d/* scripts, maybe check that. |
| [13:55:59] | laga: | or /etc/default/ |
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| [13:58:07] | gbee: | mandriva, at least in 2007 defaults to /etc/my.cnf |
| [13:58:19] | rooaus: | alan|home: See http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/privileges-options.html. I think you just need to find the config for your init scripts and tweak that. |
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| [14:00:28] | gbee: | grep -r "skip-grant-tables" /etc/* |
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| [14:04:15] | gbee: | alan|home: alternatively you could just go through mc.sql and remove or comment out the grant related stuff |
| [14:04:33] | laga: | or complain to the mysql maintainer :) |
| [14:05:14] | gbee: | skip-grant-tables is an odd default configuration though, considering that in 2007 they were securing and locking down mysqld |
| [14:06:19] | rooaus: | alan|home: From the prev url, you could flush the privileges first (this should reenable the priv system) then create mythconverg. Or do what gbee suggested. |
| [14:08:28] | rooaus: | gbee: It does seem odd indeed. |
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| [14:13:41] | rooaus: | alan|home: Do you have a /etc/sysconfig/mysqld file? If so, is there a MYSQLD_OPTIONS var with --skip-grant-tables? |
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| [14:20:48] | my2keh: | is it Tuesday yet! |
| [14:20:49] | my2keh: | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| [14:21:08] | alan|home: | rooaus: there is no MYSQLD_OPTIONS in /etc/sysconfig/mysqld |
| [14:21:31] | alan|home: | my2keh: ??? |
| [14:24:28] | rooaus: | alan|home: That was from a googled page and was for mandriva 10.2. I guess they have changed things a bit since then. |
| [14:24:53] | alan|home: | i asked on mandriva's cahannel... no answer yet... |
| [14:25:11] | my2keh: | I get my new 50" Plasma on Tuesday |
| [14:25:13] | my2keh: | heh |
| [14:25:22] | my2keh: | sometimes long weekends are painfull |
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| [14:26:33] | alan|home: | my2keh: :) |
| [14:26:42] | my2keh: | i'm worried about hanging it though |
| [14:26:50] | my2keh: | gonna make sure to hit 3 studs |
| [14:27:00] | my2keh: | wait! I'm gonna have to change my Xorg.conf eh? |
| [14:27:31] | rooaus: | alan|home: From the output of your ps it is clear that the server is being started with that option, you need to find the conf options for /etc/init.d/mysqld. Can you pastebin your etc/init.d/mysqld? |
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| [14:28:28] | alan|home: | rooaus: i already checked it without any success... but i can pastebin it anyway |
| [14:29:47] | rooaus: | just thought there may be a hint to where the config is coming from :) |
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| [14:36:49] | alan|home: | got to leave |
| [14:36:57] | alan|home: | thanks anyway for your help rooaus |
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| [15:00:01] | my2keh: | mythtv has screen saver capability right? |
| [15:00:30] | laga: | what do you mean |
| [15:00:31] | laga: | ? |
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| [15:06:00] | my2keh: | uhh |
| [15:06:10] | my2keh: | like instead of sitting at say a menu |
| [15:06:12] | my2keh: | for hours on end |
| [15:06:17] | my2keh: | a screen saver comes on |
| [15:06:27] | my2keh: | obviously not while display a show anything |
| [15:06:58] | laga: | linux comes with several screensaver implementations. eg xscreensaver, which will be disabled if you watch soemthing. for ubuntu try gnome-screensaver |
| [15:07:10] | my2keh: | hmmm |
| [15:07:21] | my2keh: | so it's not a mythtv function |
| [15:07:23] | my2keh: | but a linux function |
| [15:07:34] | my2keh: | I guess i'll have to check debian as I run knoppmyth |
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| [15:08:17] | laga: | it#s not exactly a linux function either, linux is just the kernel. ;) i think we can say it's an X function </smartass> |
| [15:08:30] | my2keh: | haha |
| [15:08:36] | my2keh: | ok whatever :P |
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| [15:09:09] | laga: | my2keh: i'm pretty sure other knoppmyth users have cnountered similar problems, so make sure to check out their forums and wiki :) |
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| [15:09:32] | my2keh: | yeah, I'm in the process of doing so |
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| [15:09:59] | hasse_dk: | hello, my mythtv setup, is using the encoder3 as default, but unfortunately it dosent have any sound (in LiveTV) but if i change to encoder4 the sound is fine, my hardware is a pvr500 card |
| [15:10:19] | sebrock: | ran into some problems with me grabber... I need to manually redo everything, how can I flush all the info from mythdatabase and redo it from scrach? |
| [15:10:57] | laga: | sebrock: truncate the program table? |
| [15:11:04] | laga: | !seen juski |
| [15:11:04] | MythLogBot: | juski was last seen 2 days 3 hours 8 minutes 39 seconds ago |
| [15:12:50] | sebrock: | laga, could that be explained easy? |
| [15:12:54] | sebrock: | never done that |
| [15:13:52] | laga: | truncate is a mysql function, amybe you should check their manual |
| [15:13:57] | laga: | phpmyadmin is also a handy tool |
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| [15:21:15] | kdubya: | ASDF |
| [15:21:23] | laga: | QWERT |
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| [15:21:31] | laga: | kdubya: who told you my password? |
| [15:25:23] | sebrock: | :D |
| [15:25:28] | kdubya: | heh |
| [15:26:01] | sebrock: | laga; i got webmin with sql plugin |
| [15:26:21] | sebrock: | dont wanna destroy the db, bit scared |
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| [15:27:39] | laga: | then get a backup. |
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| [15:37:48] | geoffeg: | When I upgraded to the latest release all my recorded items disappeared from the list.. but they're still sitting on my drive. Is there any way to get MythTV to rescan the recordings directory or am I screwed? |
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| [15:39:43] | janneg: | geoffeg: are they still in the recorded table? |
| [15:40:50] | geoffeg: | let me check |
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| [15:41:03] | geoffeg: | yes |
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| [15:43:17] | janneg: | geoffeg: press 'm' in the watch recordings screen -> select 'Change group filter' -> select 'all programs' |
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| [15:45:54] | geoffeg: | janneg: no change.. although the list does say "320 programs" |
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| [15:48:25] | geoffeg: | (The number of programs it said were available is the same as the number of rows in the recordings table |
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| [15:50:51] | twodogs34: | Im a new user battling a configuration problem. how can i find out what channel frequency table is right for DirecTV satellite? Default is us-bcast but i think thats not right because i'm not receiving over the air. my remaining three options are us-cable, us-cable-hrc, and us-cable-irc. my current plan is to try them one-by-one. each time i exit setup it asks to run mythfilldatabase. is this necessary? takes 45min to 1 hour to compl |
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| [15:51:49] | geoffeg: | twodogs34: are you trying to hook your satellite dish directly up to your tv tuner card in your pc? |
| [15:52:31] | twodogs34: | sat dish to rca settop box to s-video cable to pvr150 |
| [15:53:05] | geoffeg: | ok good :) |
| [15:53:45] | geoffeg: | twodogs34: i shall now leave you alone for fear of confusing you more :) |
| [15:54:04] | twodogs34: | confuse away – it cant get worse |
| [15:55:09] | geoffeg: | twodogs34: so i'm just gonna brainstorm here: you shouldn't even see such a thing as a "frequency table".. you might be in the wrong section.. you should just be telling mythtv to send out IR, serial or firewire commands to the set-top box to change channel |
| [15:55:36] | sebrock: | I always get error code 256 from XMLTV when downloading listings. Turns out my provider only has 14 days, and mine is somehow set to 15. Where exactly is this setting? |
| [15:55:39] | geoffeg: | now, of course the mythtv box will need to know what the channels are (fetching the lineups from shedulesdirect) |
| [15:56:03] | geoffeg: | sebrock: i think i get that error too, but it doesn't seem to affect anythying |
| [15:56:37] | janneg: | geoffeg: strange, but your recordings aren't lost |
| [15:57:10] | geoffeg: | janneg: right, it's very strange, i'm looking around the mysql db.. it's almost like some join table to recordings got nukes |
| [15:57:11] | sebrock: | probably doesnt but there must be a simple way to change this to 14 instead of 15. Somehow I have the feeling I acutally made that choice somewhere in the beginning |
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| [15:58:10] | laga: | somehow i keep telling you there's no such setting |
| [15:59:30] | laga: | sebrock: do note however what you can set arguments for mythfilldatabase in mythfrontend |
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| [16:00:03] | janneg: | geoffeg: have you checked if in "change cgroup view" at least one item is checked |
| [16:00:47] | geoffeg: | janneg: yep.. and a further clue of this strangeness is that the shows don't show up in mythweb either |
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| [16:02:21] | twodogs34: | geoffeg: i've got sched direct to load my channel info. i've also got lirc to change channels on the box. problem is my guide has no idea what channel i'm tuned to. i can watch live tv but cant record. also when i bring up the guide it always starts on channel 2 even if i'm watching channel 231 |
| [16:02:41] | jarle: | sebrock: as far as I have understood mythfilldatabase it will continue getting listings for one day at a time until no data is returned back from the grabber... |
| [16:03:18] | jarle: | sebrock: so it will grab as many days of data as the grabber can get... |
| [16:03:20] | geoffeg: | twodogs34: suck.. you're beyond my knowledge.. i can only offer words of encouragement.. it took me about 40 hours to get my mythtv box setup properly the first time.. spent about 4 hours doing the upgrade |
| [16:03:24] | janneg: | geoffeg: are you sure it's the same DB? |
| [16:03:31] | geoffeg: | janneg: yea |
| [16:03:39] | Dr_willis: | Howdy all. Quick Little Q. setting up a lan with a mythtv backend, a mythtv front end, and a vista box ( using wmp11/upnp) In the mysql.txt file should -->DBHostName=localhost or should localhost be the actual name of the mythtv backend server? |
| [16:03:43] | geoffeg: | (there's only one db in my mysql server) |
| [16:04:06] | twodogs34: | geoffeg: thanks. i've been on this for a month! |
| [16:04:46] | geoffeg: | heh, i got it working again last night just a few hours after my girlfriend said "let's get a tivo" |
| [16:05:02] | Dr_willis: | My brother gave me his Tivo. |
| [16:05:13] | Dr_willis: | I perfer a little more flexability |
| [16:06:52] | twodogs34: | i've got a windows mce2005 box right now. i'd love to kick it to the curb because i much prefer linux, but this is turnining into a fulltime job |
| [16:07:07] | geoffeg: | twodogs34: yep! welcome to mythtv! :) |
| [16:08:42] | geoffeg: | i can't wait for TopGear to be back tonight |
| [16:08:50] | geoffeg: | also: bleh.. american TV :) |
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| [16:10:20] | jayemef: | any idea why my capture card would be working fine with low channels (up to around 13), while all upper channels only get returned as static? |
| [16:10:52] | Dr_willis: | jayemef, you have the signal thing set to broadcast, not cable |
| [16:10:56] | Dr_willis: | i did that just last night |
| [16:11:05] | Dr_willis: | Signal Frequency (i think) |
| [16:11:17] | jayemef: | Dr_willis: great, i'll give that a try. thanks a lot |
| [16:11:51] | Dr_willis: | No idea why it stops at 13 :) but now that i think of it.. i cant recall ever seeing a broadcast station higher then 13 |
| [16:11:59] | Dr_willis: | Egads thats been years ago |
| [16:12:36] | Dr_willis: | back when our tv had, 4, 6, 8, 13 :) and UHF... |
| [16:13:51] | jayemef: | yeah, i still remember my family's first tv: physical spinning dial for channel change |
| [16:15:22] | Dr_willis: | and the TV 'stations' wonder why us old timders dont get all excited about HD. :) |
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| [16:15:37] | ** Dr_willis goes back to his Shortwave radio to catch Abbot and Costelo ** | |
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| [16:21:21] | AndyCap: | http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Masked-E . . . debate.shtml |
| [16:23:58] | jayemef: | Dr_willis: worked! thanks a lot, that was driving me nuts |
| [16:25:09] | Dr_willis: | jayemef, :) Now fiture out why this (@*@*@ vista box isent seeing my MythTv upnp properly. heh.. |
| [16:25:21] | Dr_willis: | I did get a second mythtv front end going upstairs. :) |
| [16:25:37] | Dr_willis: | so i can now watch my shows in 2 of the 3 places upstairs |
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| [16:41:35] | sebrock: | jarle, but that implies that everybody should get error 256? |
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| [16:45:02] | Patina: | The sound stopped working with my nova-t, any ideas why? |
| [16:45:35] | jayemef: | what is the recommended tv-listing service (US) now that zap2it is no longer free? |
| [16:46:09] | Patina: | Oh, xmms doesn't produce sound either. |
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| [16:47:47] | laga: | jayemef: www.schedulesdirect.org ? |
| [16:48:23] | jayemef: | laga: cool, thanks |
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| [16:49:34] | jams: | jayemef- didn't notice the lack of guide data for the last 3 weeks, or were you attempting to use an alt data source? |
| [16:49:50] | jams: | don't care either way, just curious |
| [16:50:36] | Patina: | Stupid mixer, PCM was on mute. |
| [16:50:38] | jayemef: | i actually didn't have my system set up for tv for a while... had a frequency issue that i just cleared up earlier |
| [16:50:58] | jams: | guess that would be option #3 |
| [16:51:03] | jams: | makes sense |
| [16:51:31] | jayemef: | so schedulesdirect.org isn't free either? |
| [16:51:38] | jams: | nope |
| [16:51:50] | jayemef: | damn... |
| [16:51:51] | jams: | it's pretty cheap though, with a 7 day free trial |
| [16:51:57] | jayemef: | yeah |
| [16:52:08] | jayemef: | i think i'm going to take a stab at screen-scraping first |
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| [16:55:02] | laga: | you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink |
| [16:55:18] | dgstinner: | jayemef, $20 for a year is a pretty good deal compared to tivo which is at least $13 a month |
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| [16:55:44] | jayemef: | oh yeah, no doubt, but i don't care enough about it to pay |
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| [16:56:39] | zo0m: | zap2it finally pulled the plug eh |
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| [16:57:01] | zo0m: | must say it was nice of them to keep it active for far longer than they originally planned |
| [16:59:09] | sphery: | They removed the domain from DNS within a week after Sep 1. Have you really been using it 'til now? |
| [16:59:30] | jams: | zo0m- they turned it off sept 3rd. I wouldn't call that "far longer then originally planned" |
| [16:59:47] | zo0m: | i saw people saying they were still getting guide data about a week, maybe 2 ago |
| [16:59:54] | sphery: | hmmm... |
| [16:59:57] | zo0m: | not me, though |
| [17:00:08] | jams: | really |
| [17:00:09] | sphery: | Interesting. May have been added back for some reason. |
| [17:00:23] | zo0m: | or the ip was still active? |
| [17:00:24] | sphery: | Or, they were actually using a scraper like zap2xml.pl |
| [17:00:39] | zo0m: | nah, dont think so |
| [17:00:58] | sphery: | Possible, too. With a badly configured local DNS server (that doesn't expire appropriately), or just hard-coding the last known IP, may have still worked. |
| [17:01:04] | zo0m: | maybe they had a hosts entry or something. but yeah, maybe 2 weeks ago at most |
| [17:01:07] | sphery: | That would explain why some are just now signing up, though. |
| [17:01:36] | sphery: | xris was just mentioning that he was surprised at the number of people still signing up. |
| [17:01:42] | zo0m: | i saw jayemef's conv in my buffer, is what made me think of it |
| [17:01:43] | jams: | well those people just signing up, could be new people |
| [17:01:54] | sphery: | and I agreed--saying I was surprised they've gone this long without data. |
| [17:02:17] | sphery: | true |
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| [17:05:35] | jams: | sphery- are you using the xorg-intel-driver? |
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| [17:13:37] | sebrock: | sorry, where do I set wich tuner to use first |
| [17:13:42] | sebrock: | frontend right? |
| [17:13:44] | robbins876: | man, my computer went down and i had to reinstall fedora |
| [17:13:46] | sebrock: | cant find the setting lol |
| [17:13:58] | robbins876: | i made a backup of mythconverg, but forgot to move it over to my backup harddrive before i reformated... doh! |
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| [17:18:55] | trumee: | guys, i am trying to setup mythtv for hauppauge 1100 card under gentoo linux. I can see the card in myth-setup, but if i do a Channel scan, i get "Failed to open the card". anybody knows what could be wrong. |
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| [17:22:17] | sebrock: | trumee a lot |
| [17:22:29] | NIklas_E: | is there any way to force mytharchive to use fps=25 and not fps24.9167? |
| [17:22:37] | trumee: | sebrock:like waht? |
| [17:22:48] | sebrock: | try tuning to a channel with tvtime first |
| [17:22:52] | sebrock: | see if it even works |
| [17:23:00] | sebrock: | or change source on card |
| [17:23:03] | trumee: | sebrock:could it be permissions problem. i can see video using tvtime, it works fine |
| [17:23:09] | sebrock: | ah ok |
| [17:23:27] | sebrock: | well then it should work, changed sources? |
| [17:24:27] | trumee: | sebrock:you mean source call television |
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| [17:25:37] | sebrock: | on backend |
| [17:25:47] | sebrock: | or maybe its called input |
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| [17:27:33] | trumee: | sebrock:do i neeed to set the backend. i am just trrrrrrrrrrrying to set things using mythtv-setup |
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| [17:28:52] | trumee: | sebrock:i have set the Capture Card to |
| [17:29:09] | trumee: | /dev/v4l/video0 |
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| [17:30:39] | trumee: | sebrock:and it shows Probed info, Hauppauge WinTV=HVR1110 DVB-T/H |
| [17:30:45] | trumee: | sebrock |
| [17:31:10] | trumee: | sebrock:The default input is set to television and audio device to /dev/dsp |
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| [17:32:10] | sebrock: | ok |
| [17:32:21] | sebrock: | is it a V4L driver? |
| [17:32:34] | sebrock: | are you going analog or digital? |
| [17:32:35] | trumee: | sebrock:yes it is a v4l driver |
| [17:32:51] | trumee: | sebrock:ah it is trying to scan i think. bear with me |
| [17:32:51] | sebrock: | you should check with #v4l |
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| [17:48:52] | jayemef: | how do you deal with the fuzzy line that appears at the top of the frame when viewing certain channels? |
| [17:49:17] | laga: | enable overscan or use the crop filter |
| [17:49:24] | laga: | see wiki.mythtv.org |
| [17:49:41] | jayemef: | great, thanks |
| [17:53:16] | trumee: | sebrock:the scan did not output any channels |
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| [17:53:36] | trumee: | sebrock:is it possible to use tvtime channel list for mythtv |
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| [17:55:49] | sebrock: | you should check with #v4l |
| [17:56:03] | sebrock: | they would know what to do, I'm using IVTV myslef |
| [17:57:33] | trumee: | sebrock:cheers |
| [17:57:38] | sebrock: | np |
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| [17:59:15] | sebrock: | anyone knows where the setting for remember last channel is? |
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| [17:59:31] | sebrock: | my frontend always starts with tuner 2 |
| [18:00:02] | mitch_: | I just started experimenting with MythTV. Does anyone know how can I have MythDVD rip to my front-end and then move the file to a server? |
| [18:01:12] | mitch_: | (I tried having my videos located on a server with nfs and whenever I ripped something I would get a total lock-up) |
| [18:01:25] | cesman: | After a rip, the file is moved to the video dir, so if you are using NFS (or something else), I see no reason why it shouldn't work |
| [18:01:55] | sebrock: | cesman took the words out of my mouth |
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| [18:02:13] | mitch_: | Whenever I got about 1/5 of the way into ripping a dvd, my comp would totally lock with caps and scroll lock flashing |
| [18:02:56] | laga: | that's a slightly different problem, it's called a "kernel panic" |
| [18:02:57] | laga: | :) |
| [18:03:06] | mitch_: | yeah, I just want to avoid it |
| [18:06:34] | laga: | it's likely a hardware or driver problem. unless mythtv is run as root, it won't lock up your box. |
| [18:06:45] | laga: | it might trigger such lockups, but it's not the root cause |
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| [18:08:35] | mitch_: | can I change the script that MythTV uses and just tag on some commands to tell it to move it to my server when it's done? |
| [18:08:51] | mitch_: | does it just call "transcode" from the command line? |
| [18:10:35] | gbee: | sebrock: in the current versions you can't change which tuner will be used, you can make it use the tuner least like to conflict with recordings but it won't use the last used tuner |
| [18:11:14] | sebrock: | is that so? |
| [18:11:43] | sebrock: | strange, before I made this new channel scan it always started with #1 |
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| [18:11:47] | sebrock: | now always #2 |
| [18:12:10] | GreyFoxx: | Did you remove and readd the tuner from mythtv-setup ? |
| [18:12:36] | sebrock: | no |
| [18:13:15] | sebrock: | just new channel search |
| [18:13:44] | sebrock: | and I usually record with #2 and watch with #1 |
| [18:14:41] | gbee: | normally it will use the first tuner in the capturecard table |
| [18:15:20] | sebrock: | on my list in myth-setup its first video0 and then video1 |
| [18:15:31] | sebrock: | frontend always starts with video1 nowadays |
| [18:18:29] | sebrock: | got the capturecard table in front of me now |
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| [18:18:40] | sebrock: | well I should say that this is a PVR-500 |
| [18:19:40] | sebrock: | so I just see one card in capturecard table right? |
| [18:20:58] | sebrock: | gbee am I right? |
| [18:22:26] | gbee: | probably cardinput then |
| [18:22:37] | gbee: | not too sure now |
| [18:23:15] | sebrock: | doesnt really give me information about 2 cards |
| [18:23:24] | sebrock: | more or less looks like one |
| [18:24:50] | sebrock: | gbee so I'm screwed in changing this? |
| [18:24:59] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
| [18:26:01] | gbee: | sure someone can help you out with it, I shouldn't have kept quiet because I really don't know enough about it ;) |
| [18:26:15] | gbee: | s/shouldn't/should/ |
| [18:26:21] | sebrock: | alright |
| [18:26:27] | sebrock: | I'll just rename them |
| [18:26:29] | sebrock: | :P |
| [18:26:47] | sebrock: | but video0 has somewhat better picture |
| [18:26:49] | sebrock: | damn |
| [18:26:58] | ** gbee goes back to drinking JD and watching TV ** | |
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| [18:34:07] | mitch_: | has anyone had success ripping a DVD on their front-end machine and having the file go to their backend or server? |
| [18:34:47] | robbins876: | running into a little bit of a problem on my myth install |
| [18:35:05] | robbins876: | [robbins876@localhost ~]$ ll /dev/video? |
| [18:35:06] | robbins876: | ls: cannot access /dev/video?: No such file or directory |
| [18:35:17] | robbins876: | what's that all about? i installed ivtv |
| [18:35:24] | robbins876: | but it can't find that |
| [18:36:08] | mitch_: | I sure don't have a /dev/video on my machine |
| [18:37:22] | robbins876: | hmm... |
| [18:38:09] | robbins876: | i'm using jarrods guide for a fedora install |
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| [18:48:11] | wrench: | hi |
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| [18:49:33] | wrench: | looking for some help getting channel icons working, using 0.20.2 (latest Feisty debs) |
| [18:50:11] | wrench: | i've tried things from the mailing list and wiki, but I must be missing a crucial step |
| [18:50:38] | wrench: | the icons never actually seem to _download_ |
| [18:50:48] | wrench: | any takers? |
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| [19:07:55] | Dr_willis: | wrench, i noticed no icons also. :( |
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| [19:08:08] | Dr_willis: | actually the channel names were not set either. |
| [19:08:45] | gbee: | yay, 64bit version of Opera available finally – albeit an alpha/beta version |
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| [19:16:41] | xris: | gbee: does it do flashvideo? |
| [19:16:47] | xris: | that's what I want. 64 bit flash plugin. |
| [19:17:07] | gbee: | xris: no idea |
| [19:17:32] | gbee: | just glad to be rid of well over 100Mb of 32bit compatibility libs |
| [19:18:29] | xris: | heh |
| [19:18:46] | xris: | wish I could do that... still need 32bit firefox for flash |
| [19:19:15] | laga: | sphery: i have just commited the xinerama fix to our -fixes packages in ubuntu |
| [19:19:59] | gbee: | xris: I'm using flash with 64bit firefox |
| [19:20:02] | sphery: | laga: cool... Thanks. |
| [19:20:07] | xris: | oh? and it works? |
| [19:20:16] | laga: | xris: in ubuntu, i have 64bit firefox and some compatibility layer |
| [19:20:18] | gbee: | well I _was_, recently broke it somehow |
| [19:20:35] | sphery: | xris: if you want audio with it, you also need 32-bit ALSA libs |
| [19:20:37] | xris: | laga: any idea what the compat layer is called? |
| [19:20:41] | xris: | sphery: ahh |
| [19:20:50] | sphery: | so it only works on multilib systems |
| [19:21:31] | sphery: | btw, nspluginwrapper |
| [19:21:32] | laga: | xris: nspluginwrapper |
| [19:21:36] | sphery: | I win! |
| [19:21:59] | xris: | nothing for fedora. lame |
| [19:22:08] | gbee: | works well though and reduces the number of 32bit libs you need |
| [19:22:14] | laga: | sphery: i hates you. |
| [19:22:21] | laga: | gbee: yep, works well |
| [19:22:36] | gbee: | until I broke it somehow ;) |
| [19:22:39] | laga: | i need 32 bit libs for zsnes anyways. doesnt bother me, though |
| [19:22:42] | laga: | heh |
| [19:22:46] | sphery: | xris: there is an RPM at http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper |
| [19:22:53] | xris: | yeah, I see, thanks |
| [19:22:59] | xris: | just got there via google. heh |
| [19:23:12] | laga: | i have the impression that the flash plugin doesnt crash FF anymore when it crashes in the nspluginviewer |
| [19:23:37] | sphery: | don't know if using an "out-of-repo" RPM is a bad idea, though (I know nothing about package managers), so feel free to ignore me. |
| [19:23:48] | sphery: | laga: That's nice. |
| [19:24:23] | sphery: | Wonder if it would prevent the Flash player from crashing the NVIDIA-proprietary driver and causing a kernel panic? |
| [19:24:50] | xris: | sphery: it should be ok |
| [19:24:53] | xris: | worst case, I remove it |
| [19:24:56] | sphery: | (actually, they seem to have fixed the issue in the NVIDIA driver in post-legacy versions) |
| [19:25:09] | sphery: | xris: cool. |
| [19:25:20] | laga: | awesome. looks like i get to commit my tv_grab_eu_epgdata grabber to XMLTV very soon |
| [19:25:29] | xris: | cool |
| [19:27:04] | gbee: | wish smart had the ability to identify orphaned packages and dependancies |
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| [19:28:20] | laga: | apt-get/aptitude does it by default here |
| [19:28:46] | sphery: | gbee: Did you have any luck with the plugin or write any code for setting the WM hint, yet? |
| [19:29:46] | gbee: | sphery: no luck at all with the plugin, and I didn't have time to do any work on the code, but I hope to produce something in the next week |
| [19:30:11] | gbee: | I've stopped playing with compiz for now since it's still less stable than kwin |
| [19:30:43] | sphery: | Cool. I hope it works for you. I think that's the only required atom, but you may want to use xprop to look at some windows that are fullscreen (and work in fullscreen) in Compiz. |
| [19:31:10] | xris: | sweet, seems to work |
| [19:31:10] | sphery: | I just can't believe that Compiz will /only/ allow a window to be fullscreen if that relatively-new hint is set on the window. |
| [19:31:15] | gbee: | yeah I will and thanks for the tip |
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| [19:31:36] | xris: | sphery: I want compiz to give me screens on the top/bottom of the cube... |
| [19:31:51] | xris: | linear virtual desktops are just annoying when you use 6+ |
| [19:32:24] | sphery: | Hope it actually turns out to be useful (and works once you get the code written). It would also be nice to placate those who think it's Myth's fault with a workaround. |
| [19:32:31] | sphery: | xris: do you use compiz? |
| [19:32:37] | gbee: | sphery: would be nice but sometimes the only way to drive takeup of a new API etc is to drop backwards compatibility |
| [19:32:37] | JoeyJoeJo: | my recordings are showing up as being 3+ hours long when they're only 30 minutes.. also commercial flagging fails.. what causes this? |
| [19:32:38] | sphery: | I haven't played with it at all, yet. |
| [19:32:41] | xris: | sphery: no, because it doesn't give enough virtual desktops |
| [19:32:46] | xris: | or ease of access to them. |
| [19:32:50] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [19:33:43] | sphery: | Yeah. I love my fluxbox-based setup, and I can't see how Compiz could bring anything useful to the table, but I guess I'll have to play with it eventually to see. |
| [19:34:38] | gbee: | you can have 36 desktops, but most of the desktop switching gizmos (cube, desktop wall etc) only give you access to at most 6 |
| [19:34:39] | laga: | it seems that compiz isnt well-integrated into KDE. i have 4 virtual desktops. when i start compiz, i get 8 and none behave sanely. |
| [19:34:51] | sphery: | xris: I guess you can put an image on the top of the cube. You could use that as your "boss screen" :) |
| [19:35:08] | xris: | yeah |
| [19:35:08] | gbee: | laga: works well enough in Mandriva with KDE |
| [19:35:13] | xris: | but I want a desktop there |
| [19:35:15] | xris: | and on the bottom |
| [19:35:30] | laga: | gbee: gotta be my fault then. but i'll just stay away from it. |
| [19:37:00] | gbee: | sphery: some of the compiz stuff is useful, like the application switch thingy |
| [19:37:27] | gbee: | laga: not necessarily, might just be that the Mandriva team have done something to improve things |
| [19:37:49] | laga: | gbee: i dont care enough to find out. busy enough with mythtv :) |
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| [19:38:41] | gbee: | compiz's virtual desktops are seperate and unconnected to KDE's virtual desktops though – when you are running Compiz though you've no need for the KDE ones |
| [19:39:17] | laga: | gbee: how can i integrate them with kde's desktop switcher? i think it's called "pager" |
| [19:39:17] | gbee: | I'd like to work out how I can have different backgrounds on each Compiz desktop though |
| [19:40:04] | gbee: | laga: dunno, I don't use the pager – might be a compiz equivalent |
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| [19:43:37] | gbee: | laga: I'll have to play around with compiz a little more, only spent a total of maybe two hours looking at what it can do and what the different settings do |
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| [19:47:31] | robbins876: | Anyone around? |
| [19:47:55] | ** ol_schoola is a square ** | |
| [19:48:08] | kormoc: | robbins61, no, the user list lies |
| [19:48:22] | robbins876: | it always lies! |
| [19:48:37] | sphery: | gbee: found a picture of the image switcher. Not bad. |
| [19:48:44] | robbins876: | kormoc, do you have /dev/video? |
| [19:49:08] | robbins876: | when i run ll /dev/video? |
| [19:49:22] | robbins876: | it says that /dev/video?: No Such File or Directory |
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| [19:53:03] | kormoc: | robbins61, well, I have video0 yes |
| [19:54:00] | robbins876: | any idea why i dont? |
| [19:54:12] | kormoc: | your drivers aren't installed right? |
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| [19:55:29] | mrspinx: | I am using a wintv pvr usb2 does anyone recommend a better capture card? |
| [19:55:50] | mrspinx: | i have been battling with this card |
| [19:56:03] | Dr_willis: | is there such a thing as a decent USB capture card? |
| [19:56:14] | robbins876: | kormoc, how can i verify that my drivers are or aren't installed correctly? |
| [19:57:11] | mrspinx: | basically, i can get video working (mplayer /dev/video0 plays something – but the quality is horrenous) |
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| [19:58:15] | mrspinx: | and i really don't like compiling kernel drivers and praying that something may or may not work (i don't mind w/ messing w/ lircd — it is tv card drivers tha just hate messing w/) :) |
| [19:58:44] | mrspinx: | Dr_willis, good point though |
| [19:58:47] | mrspinx: | ;) |
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| [19:59:15] | mrspinx: | Dr_willis, is there a such thing as "it just works" w/ tv capture cards :) |
| [19:59:22] | kormoc: | robbins61, that depends on your distro, your hardware, and all that jazz |
| [19:59:27] | Dr_willis: | my PVR150 works very well |
| [19:59:40] | mrspinx: | i once had some generic cared that worked great |
| [19:59:57] | kormoc: | mrspinx, ivtv is merging into the vanilla kernel, so soon it'll be a lot easier |
| [20:00:02] | mrspinx: | i plugged it in and it "just worked" — it worked for 3 days then died a horrible death |
| [20:00:10] | kormoc: | mrspinx, tho, fyi, lirc has kernel drivers too :P |
| [20:00:24] | mrspinx: | kormoc, should i just hold on to the card and "just wait?" |
| [20:00:44] | kormoc: | not at all, ivtv is grand as it is |
| [20:00:48] | kormoc: | and will only get better |
| [20:00:48] | mrspinx: | kormoc, wel ican apt-get install it and i can get it to work w/o a problem |
| [20:01:11] | robbins876: | kormoc: i'm using a pvr 150. the card shows up in lspci and ivtv shows up in lsmod |
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| [20:03:33] | kormoc: | robbins61, and the output of dmesg shows? |
| [20:04:30] | mrspinx: | kormoc, i'm using pvrusb2 atm and it seems to "work" — i'm just clueless as to how to debug this (the website isn't exactly useful) |
| [20:04:48] | mrspinx: | kormoc, my point was — i like things that just work when you apt-get them ;) |
| [20:05:20] | robbins876: | http://pastebin.ca/729245 <- kormoc, my dmesg |
| [20:05:51] | robbins876: | ivtv0: unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (must be 376836 bytes) |
| [20:06:08] | kormoc: | that'd be the problem |
| [20:06:11] | mrspinx: | kormoc, i guess i'll install ivtv and rmmod pvrusb2 |
| [20:06:28] | kormoc: | mrspinx, uhh, only if you have a card that uses ivtv |
| [20:08:38] | mrspinx: | it has been documented to work on both |
| [20:08:43] | robbins876: | kormoc, where is the hotplug directory? |
| [20:08:48] | robbins876: | i need to put this file in it |
| [20:10:56] | kormoc: | robbins61, depends on your distro... |
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| [20:12:37] | robbins876: | kormoc, i replaced the files in /lib/modules and /lib/firmware |
| [20:12:41] | robbins876: | what do i need to reload now? |
| [20:12:48] | mrspinx: | kormoc, i've installed ivtv and i've loaded the module, now /dev/video0 doesn't exist anymore — what do i do next? |
| [20:13:04] | kormoc: | robbins61, rmmod ivtv; modprobe ivtv |
| [20:13:09] | kormoc: | mrspinx, uhh, what card do you have? |
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| [20:13:40] | robbins876: | sweet, that fixed it, thanks man |
| [20:13:42] | mrspinx: | wintv pvr2 (hauppauge) — it is a usb2 |
| [20:13:46] | robbins876: | what's that rrmod command do? |
| [20:14:00] | kormoc: | mrspinx, like I said above, ivtv only works with certain cards, yours is not one of them. |
| [20:14:02] | mrspinx: | robbins61, rmmod removes a kernel driver |
| [20:14:06] | kormoc: | robbins61, remove module |
| [20:14:11] | robbins876: | oh, i see |
| [20:14:15] | robbins876: | then modprobe reloads it |
| [20:16:27] | mrspinx: | http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2 <-- mentions ivtv |
| [20:16:40] | mrspinx: | along w/ every other doc that i've seen on my card :-/ |
| [20:16:50] | mrspinx: | says it can use pvrusb2 or ivtv :-| |
| [20:16:52] | JoeyJoeJo: | my recordings are showing up as being 3+ hours long when they're only 30 minutes.. also commercial flagging fails.. what causes this? |
| [20:17:14] | kormoc: | mrspinx, well, I never heard of anyone actully using it. so then, check dmesg |
| [20:19:18] | mrspinx: | http://pastebin.ca/729256 |
| [20:19:42] | mrspinx: | doesn't say much to me :( |
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| [20:20:24] | kormoc: | mrspinx, rmmod ivtv and modprobe it again? |
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| [20:21:04] | kormoc: | or reboot to reset the device? |
| [20:21:46] | mrspinx: | i tried rmmod and modprobe again – so i guess i'll reboot :) |
| [20:21:57] | mrspinx: | brb – thanks a lot for the help so far kormoc |
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| [20:22:57] | jduggan: | hmm |
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| [20:23:22] | jduggan: | my lircd.conf which ive used for last few years, mythtv in ubuntu says format is wrong |
| [20:23:27] | jduggan: | anyone ponder a reason why? |
| [20:23:34] | jduggan: | mythtv: unknown token "name" in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc:17 ignored |
| [20:23:34] | jduggan: | mythtv: unknown token "bits" in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc:18 ignored |
| [20:23:50] | jduggan: | this kinda shit |
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| [20:23:51] | BULLE: | jduggan: new version of lirc that has changed the config file format ? |
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| [20:24:03] | Hilikus: | how do i create recording groups? |
| [20:24:07] | BULLE: | jduggan: or different default encoding between the linux distros making the parser go nuts ? |
| [20:24:07] | jduggan: | BULLE: is that a guess or a reason? :) |
| [20:24:12] | BULLE: | jduggan: guess of course |
| [20:24:33] | jduggan: | BULLE: well ive used it in debian, im now using ubuntu, i cant see there being *too* much difference |
| [20:24:43] | BULLE: | jduggan: i can definitively |
| [20:24:43] | jduggan: | BULLE: well im using latest lirc, which is the only thing different |
| [20:25:01] | jduggan: | i'll try rolling back |
| [20:25:03] | laga: | jduggan: you must not use your lircd.conf as lircrc. |
| [20:25:40] | ** jduggan double checks ** | |
| [20:26:12] | jduggan: | aha |
| [20:26:16] | jduggan: | yea, wrong way around |
| [20:26:20] | ** jduggan stabs self ** | |
| [20:26:27] | jduggan: | thx |
| [20:26:28] | jduggan: | :o |
| [20:27:23] | Hilikus: | how do i change the recording parameters? |
| [20:27:28] | laga: | jduggan: heh. :) |
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| [20:28:35] | jduggan: | by the way, when i 'esc' to exit out of mythtv, it tells me it cant connect to mythbackend, when it quite clearly has been, this only happens when im at the top level and wanting to exit, why does it say that? |
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| [20:32:37] | sebrock: | is mythweb supposed to be able to stream stuff? |
| [20:34:36] | gbee: | in trunk (0.21) |
| [20:35:37] | sebrock: | mythweb in trunk is? |
| [20:35:47] | Hilikus: | under devel |
| [20:36:12] | kormoc: | if you have certain things setup, yes |
| [20:36:42] | sebrock: | alright, when I press on any recorded material I just get this: 5_20071003170500.mpg does not exist in the recordings directory. |
| [20:36:52] | gbee: | if anyone wants to know how to get mythtv working fullscreen under compiz, then you need the "legacy fullscreen support" in the workarounds plugin – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/compiz_legacy_fullscreen.png |
| [20:36:53] | sebrock: | although it does exist |
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| [20:37:12] | kormoc: | sebrock, is it mounted on the webserver? |
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| [20:37:34] | sebrock: | kormoc what do you mean? |
| [20:37:41] | sebrock: | the directory yes |
| [20:37:47] | kormoc: | sebrock, in the same location? |
| [20:38:12] | sebrock: | yes, I can view it from this frontend, same that gives that message in mythweb |
| [20:38:23] | sebrock: | just does not work in mythweb or something |
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| [20:38:32] | jduggan: | bloody juski taken his site down again? :P is there anywhere else to grab his themes from? |
| [20:40:40] | AndyCap: | jduggan: svn? |
| [20:42:32] | Hilikus: | how do i control recording profiles?? |
| [20:42:39] | Hilikus: | this is whats in the help file |
| [20:42:46] | Hilikus: | Enter the Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Recording Profiles section in mythfrontend. |
| [20:43:12] | Hilikus: | ah crap, i was lost |
| [20:43:13] | Hilikus: | i found it |
| [20:44:13] | sebrock: | kormoc any other idea? |
| [20:45:34] | sebrock: | is it a permission thing? |
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| [20:46:15] | sebrock: | because the source of the page says the correct path |
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| [20:53:33] | robbins876: | Anyone know? |
| [20:54:00] | Hilikus: | is there some documentation about "weighted time/priority cobination" expiration method? |
| [20:54:23] | robbins876: | huh? |
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| [20:57:45] | jarle: | if I want to have a program started from /etc/rc.d/, but I want it to run as a normal user, I just use "sudo -u user <program to execute>" in the script, correct? |
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| [20:59:12] | kormoc: | Hilikus, the older, the lower priority first |
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| [20:59:45] | sebrock: | so I have a SVN from 2007–01 (0.20) mythweb, should it or should it not be possible to stream recordings? |
| [21:00:08] | sebrock: | as I said, I seem to be able to "try" start it by clicking on it |
| [21:00:26] | sebrock: | but get an error message |
| [21:01:12] | robbins876: | kormoc, you ever seen that error before? about not being able to find mc.sql? |
| [21:01:32] | robbins876: | apparently, it's not on my box |
| [21:01:47] | kormoc: | sebrock, uhh, no, it should, it might be permissions, might be a lot of things. check the apache error log |
| [21:01:58] | kormoc: | robbins61, yes, sure, when mc.sql can't be found... |
| [21:02:12] | sebrock: | tnx |
| [21:02:16] | robbins876: | kormoc, how/where do i get mc.sql? |
| [21:02:39] | kormoc: | depends on where you got myth |
| [21:02:57] | robbins876: | atrpms |
| [21:03:17] | kormoc: | they should have it then |
| [21:03:55] | sebrock: | kormoc, apache2 error log does not show anything :( |
| [21:04:37] | sebrock: | I've set permissions to 775 |
| [21:05:00] | Hilikus: | whats the idea behind deinterlacing, should i enable it or not? |
| [21:05:19] | Hilikus: | its only for monitors right? |
| [21:05:29] | kormoc: | Hilikus, the idea is to remove interlacing from the video... You should read the wikipedia article |
| [21:05:35] | Hilikus: | i did |
| [21:05:39] | kormoc: | Hilikus, it's for non-interlaced screens |
| [21:05:47] | Hilikus: | i know whats the theory behind it |
| [21:05:56] | Hilikus: | but i dont know if i should enable it or not |
| [21:06:06] | kormoc: | is your display interlaced? |
| [21:06:09] | Hilikus: | cause i dont know if my tv is interlaced |
| [21:06:27] | kormoc: | well, it's hard for us to know if your tv is interlaced when you don't |
| [21:06:35] | Hilikus: | is that in the specs or somethingfL |
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| [21:06:46] | kormoc: | Hilikus, typically |
| [21:06:50] | Hilikus: | great |
| [21:06:53] | Hilikus: | thanks |
| [21:06:56] | kormoc: | Hilikus, also depends on the input you are using and the tv model |
| [21:07:02] | kormoc: | Hilikus, and the output you are using |
| [21:07:20] | Hilikus: | now you know why i asked? is not as simple as, read wikipedia |
| [21:07:32] | kormoc: | you asked what the idea of deinterlacing was |
| [21:07:36] | kormoc: | that's answered by wikipedia |
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| [21:11:36] | sebrock: | why oh why does it not work... |
| [21:12:06] | robbins876: | why oh why can't i find mc.sql?! |
| [21:12:25] | kormoc: | worse comes to worse, just download it from mythtv's website |
| [21:12:41] | robbins876: | really? |
| [21:13:31] | sebrock: | kormoc, care to help me get the streaming going? |
| [21:16:01] | robbins876: | i don't even have a mythtv directory in /usr/share/docs/ |
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| [21:16:15] | robbins876: | i have mythtv-backend-0.20.2/ mythtv-frontend-0.20.2/ mythtv-docs-0.20.2/ mythtv-setup-0.20.2/ |
| [21:16:24] | robbins876: | no mythtv-0.20.2/database |
| [21:16:27] | robbins876: | what the F?! |
| [21:17:59] | sebrock: | which user is doing the streaming on mythweb? |
| [21:18:02] | sebrock: | www-data? |
| [21:18:07] | sebrock: | ie apache2 user? |
| [21:23:30] | robbins876: | where do i get mc.sql?! I cannot find it anywhere |
| [21:24:59] | Hilikus: | what exactly is "browse mode"?? anybody knows? |
| [21:25:43] | kormoc: | sebrock, which streaming |
| [21:25:58] | sebrock: | streaming from mythweb / recorded programs |
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| [21:26:17] | kormoc: | sebrock, there's a few different types there, We have flash video, asx streaming and raw file streaming |
| [21:26:37] | sebrock: | well I thing this is raw streaming |
| [21:27:03] | kormoc: | robbins61, like I said, you can get it from myth's website, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/14623/trunk . . . abase/mc.sql |
| [21:27:05] | sebrock: | as it says it cant find for example "5_20071003170500.mpg" |
| [21:27:16] | sebrock: | although it is clearly in my recordings folder |
| [21:27:49] | kormoc: | sebrock, and you say it has the correct path? |
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| [21:28:37] | sebrock: | yes |
| [21:28:49] | sebrock: | and I made permissions 775 |
| [21:29:23] | sebrock: | is it maybe something with apache? can't see anything in error log either |
| [21:30:06] | kormoc: | it uses the perl streaming... |
| [21:30:28] | sebrock: | this is exactly what my browser shows: 5_20071003170500.mpg does not exist in the recordings directory. |
| [21:30:56] | kormoc: | do you have a storage group setup on that host? |
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| [21:32:00] | sebrock: | sorry, dont understand that :d |
| [21:32:12] | kormoc: | actually, I can't find that string anywhere in mythweb... |
| [21:32:18] | hasse_dk: | i have just installed the svn version of mythweb, and for some reason it wont show the tv listing in the web interface why ? |
| [21:32:27] | sebrock: | the backend is on my server |
| [21:32:40] | kormoc: | hasse_dk, do you have the backend as a matching version? |
| [21:32:59] | kormoc: | sebrock, what version of mythweb? |
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| [21:33:54] | hasse_dk: | yes, mythtv is all updated to the last svn version |
| [21:34:12] | robbins876: | kormoc, i donwloaded myth from the official website...do you think if i just drop the mythtv-0.20.2 directory where mc.sql should be it will work? |
| [21:34:26] | kormoc: | hasse_dk, guess you're gonna have to do some debugging then |
| [21:34:33] | kormoc: | hasse_dk, as it works for me (tm) |
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| [21:34:53] | kormoc: | robbins61, why not just use the one file rather then compiling it all yourself, as I doubt that will go any better for you |
| [21:35:03] | hasse_dk: | but how to do debugging ? |
| [21:35:05] | sebrock: | kormoc, 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu3 |
| [21:35:18] | robbins876: | kormoc, i thinks the file should be in /usr/share/docs/mythtv-0.20 |
| [21:35:23] | kormoc: | sebrock, ooh, that's really really old |
| [21:35:25] | robbins876: | but that directory doesn't even exist on my computer |
| [21:35:45] | kormoc: | robbins876, just put it in your home directory and use it there, you only use it once |
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| [21:36:12] | robbins876: | what's the command to find a single file? because locate mc.sql isn't working |
| [21:36:25] | kormoc: | robbins876, locate |
| [21:36:25] | sebrock: | kormoc? why is it possible to even start stream? |
| [21:36:36] | kormoc: | sebrock, excuse me? |
| [21:37:10] | sebrock: | no, I dont understand. It obviously looks for the file when I click on it |
| [21:37:23] | sebrock: | and page source looks like it uses some pearl stuff |
| [21:37:48] | kormoc: | sebrock, yes, it uses the handler.pl from modules/stream |
| [21:37:50] | sebrock: | do you mean its just a snapshot and not fully developed? |
| [21:38:00] | sebrock: | my version that is |
| [21:38:09] | kormoc: | sebrock, no, I mean I can't remember how it did things that far back |
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| [21:38:44] | kormoc: | that's before the last re-write I believe |
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| [21:39:29] | sebrock: | I just find it strange that it semi-works, just looks like it does not get access to the file or something |
| [21:39:59] | kormoc: | sebrock, welcome to open source |
| [21:40:02] | Saviq: | hi guys, can anyone tell me how can I configure myth to export my music collection over UPnP? MythTV Media Server gets discovered, but no media there? |
| [21:41:15] | sebrock: | hmmm |
| [21:41:17] | sebrock: | :/ |
| [21:41:20] | sebrock: | well nite all |
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| [21:43:06] | Travis|iMac: | my mythtv box is in another room with AV cables ran through the ceiling to my TV, I am now working on getting a remote setup |
| [21:43:21] | Travis|iMac: | if I get a Serial IR reciever and a 50ft serial extension cable will it work |
| [21:43:52] | kormoc: | depends on a lot of factors, no way to know for sure |
| [21:44:22] | Travis|iMac: | ok I was just wondering if maybe somebody here had a similar setup with the mythbox in a different room |
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| [21:45:44] | Travis|iMac: | I had an ATI Remote Wonder II that was RF so it goes through walls, but it doesn't work and ATI doesn't know whats wrong :( |
| [21:47:07] | xris: | Travis|iMac: range on that thing through walls isn't so good |
| [21:47:21] | xris: | I barely get 30–50 feet with no walls |
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| [21:50:32] | Travis|iMac: | it was working fine for me actually xris |
| [21:50:51] | Travis|iMac: | but now when I press buttons the remote the light on the reciever doesn't blink |
| [21:50:54] | xris: | I get far better reception with my mceusb2 |
| [21:50:56] | robbins876: | i wish i had saved my mythconverg from my botched install! AHH! SO MUCH WORK! |
| [21:51:13] | Travis|iMac: | and the recevier shows up different, even on my windows computers |
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| [21:51:23] | robbins876: | i also hate lirc |
| [21:52:01] | Travis|iMac: | lirc works once it's setup properly |
| [21:52:10] | robbins876: | setting it up is a pain, however |
| [21:52:11] | Travis|iMac: | took me tons of time to get it installed |
| [21:52:14] | Travis|iMac: | yeah |
| [21:52:16] | hadees: | lirc is also slow |
| [21:52:25] | hadees: | although using an rf remote made it a lot faster |
| [21:52:27] | Hilikus: | what kind of scheduling rule should i use to record any hockey game in a channel, when certain team is playing (its in the description). do i need a custom rule for that? |
| [21:52:31] | hadees: | so maybe it is just ir is slow |
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| [21:54:59] | xris: | hadees: depends on the IR hardware |
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| [21:55:46] | floppyears: | Hilikus: try custom recording |
| [21:55:54] | Hilikus: | cool, thanks |
| [21:56:15] | Hilikus: | hey floppyears do you know whats "browse mode" ? |
| [21:58:20] | directhex: | hm. earlier today, i re-did my mythtv-setup, including a fresh channel scan |
| [21:58:49] | directhex: | however, i'm showing no EIT data for "old" channels which were either previously listed, or had a different name to what they're called now |
| [21:59:50] | floppyears: | Hilikus: browse mode ? in what context ? |
| [22:00:09] | Hilikus: | its under the OSD setup |
| [22:00:37] | floppyears: | Hilikus: oh, I think that is when you are watching live tv, and you press the channel up/down button |
| [22:00:52] | floppyears: | instead of going to that channel, the osd info about the program on that channel is shown |
| [22:00:54] | Hilikus: | it doesnt change channel? |
| [22:01:01] | Hilikus: | mine i think changes the channel |
| [22:01:08] | floppyears: | no, |
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| [22:01:46] | floppyears: | I prefer using browse mode because that way I don't have the couple of seconds of lag to see whats on that channel instead of changing to the channel, I prefer reading what's on that channel |
| [22:02:10] | floppyears: | Hilikus: after a while of using mythtv you'll find you wil rarely watch livetv since the stuff that you care is already recorded |
| [22:03:00] | floppyears: | directhex: when I do a re-scan of channels, I usually like deleting all the old channels just to prevent issues like this |
| [22:03:08] | Hilikus: | hopefully |
| [22:03:08] | Cyrexion: | does anyone know how to use bootsplash to install a new theme when all you have to begin with is initrd.gz ? |
| [22:03:10] | directhex: | floppyears, i did |
| [22:03:17] | directhex: | floppyears, i think it's the eitcache table |
| [22:03:44] | Hilikus: | floppyears what do you do with new episodes? do you watch them the next day or something? i cant wait for some of them |
| [22:04:41] | directhex: | and program |
| [22:04:53] | floppyears: | Hilikus: I usually have plenty of stuff that I haven't watched. If I really want to watch a show live, I set it to record and then I start watching half way through so that I can skip commercials |
| [22:05:04] | kormoc: | Cyrexion, bet google does |
| [22:05:30] | floppyears: | directhex: hmm, that's weird, you could try backing up the db, then you delete the data on that cache table and redo the scan of the channels |
| [22:07:13] | Hilikus: | does anyone know whats the starndard resolution of a CRT TV? |
| [22:07:18] | Hilikus: | NTSC |
| [22:07:31] | directhex: | floppyears, purged those tables, ow fresh EIT data is coming in |
| [22:07:36] | floppyears: | don't know. |
| [22:07:37] | directhex: | Hilikus, low |
| [22:07:42] | kormoc: | Hilikus, there isn't really one |
| [22:07:45] | floppyears: | directhex: cool , hope it works |
| [22:07:55] | directhex: | Hilikus, 648 x 486 |
| [22:08:28] | Hilikus: | so to keep the original trasnmitted data should i record at that reso? |
| [22:08:39] | Hilikus: | my default profile is 480x480 |
| [22:09:01] | robbins876: | when i try to run live tv i'm getting this erro |
| [22:09:03] | robbins876: | http://pastebin.ca/729368 |
| [22:09:03] | directhex: | you can't keep the "original transmitted data" with analog |
| [22:09:05] | kormoc: | Hilikus, max res of NTSC is 720x480 |
| [22:09:18] | kormoc: | Hilikus, bit it can be much lower |
| [22:09:22] | Hilikus: | i c |
| [22:09:35] | kormoc: | Hilikus, there is no 'native' resolution of ntsc |
| [22:09:48] | kormoc: | typically people recommend higher res == better quality, but ymmv |
| [22:09:52] | Hilikus: | so 480 is a good estimate i guess |
| [22:10:03] | floppyears: | yeah I think I also record at 720x480 |
| [22:10:05] | robbins876: | kormoc, you seen that before? |
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| [22:10:27] | kormoc: | sure, you don't have your XvMC working |
| [22:12:23] | robbins876: | is that a setting in myth? |
| [22:12:43] | kormoc: | you told it ot use it, yet |
| [22:12:45] | kormoc: | *yes |
| [22:14:14] | robbins876: | is that in mythtv-setup? |
| [22:14:38] | kormoc: | mythfrontend tv playback settings likely |
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| [22:18:46] | robbins876: | kormoc, i changed it to libmpeg2 and it's still giving me the same error |
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| [22:24:32] | robbins876: | this is the most troublesome myth install i have done |
| [22:25:57] | directhex: | 3hm, my EIT sources aren't cross-referencing |
| [22:30:41] | robbins876: | Anyone know anything about how to fix this error? http://pastebin.ca/729368 |
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| [22:38:03] | markl_: | is anyone here familiar with getting an MCE remote to work with mythtv? |
| [22:38:13] | markl_: | i picked up a cheapie usb IR remote today |
| [22:38:28] | markl_: | mceusb & mceusb2 don't seem to like it |
| [22:38:38] | markl_: | but i'm not quite sure how to tell |
| [22:39:10] | floppyears: | markl_: as I remember there's a wiki page about mce remotes |
| [22:39:25] | floppyears: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote |
| [22:39:29] | zo0m: | wiki piki! ra ra ra! |
| [22:41:03] | markl_: | yeah i found that page but irw just comes back, saying it can't find /dev/lirc |
| [22:41:20] | jduggan: | guys, ive a strange lirc problem, when i make install my lirc its fine, i get /dev/lirc* entries lircd works and everythings honkey dorey, on reboot, the modules load, but the /dev/lirc* entries are all gone, i make install the module again its fine, reboot, all gone again.... if i just mknod them all, and fire up lircd, its all fine also, why are they disappearing on reboot? |
| [22:41:27] | jduggan: | (ubuntu feisty) |
| [22:41:36] | markl_: | nm_hal_device_added (): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1784_8_TS0000f7_usbraw') |
| [22:41:39] | Hilikus: | how do i change recording groups? |
| [22:42:15] | Aval0n: | anyone in here done custom cooled their entertainment center? |
| [22:42:17] | Hilikus: | markl_ ls /dev/lirc* |
| [22:42:44] | markl_: | root@home:/var/log# ls -l /dev/lirc |
| [22:42:44] | markl_: | crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2007-10–07 15:57 /dev/lirc |
| [22:43:07] | markl_: | sorry i missed the *: |
| [22:43:08] | markl_: | crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2007-10–07 15:57 /dev/lirc |
| [22:43:08] | markl_: | srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2007-10–07 16:41 /dev/lircd |
| [22:43:08] | markl_: | prw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2007-10–07 15:57 /dev/lircm |
| [22:43:25] | Hilikus: | so /dev/lirc IS there |
| [22:43:39] | Hilikus: | show the error irw gives you |
| [22:44:06] | markl_: | Oct 7 16:44:00 home lircd-0.8.2-CVS[481]: could not open /dev/lirc |
| [22:44:06] | markl_: | Oct 7 16:44:00 home lircd-0.8.2-CVS[481]: default_init(): No such device |
| [22:44:30] | Hilikus: | hm |
| [22:44:35] | markl_: | should i be able to just load lirc_mceusb or lirc_mceusb2, and /dev/lirc should work? |
| [22:44:40] | markl_: | or am i missing a step |
| [22:44:53] | Hilikus: | probably |
| [22:45:03] | Hilikus: | what about lsmod | grep lirc |
| [22:45:37] | markl_: | root@home:/var/log# lsmod | grep lirc |
| [22:45:37] | markl_: | lirc_mceusb2 14084 0 |
| [22:45:37] | markl_: | lirc_mceusb 11488 0 |
| [22:45:37] | markl_: | lirc_dev 15988 2 lirc_mceusb2,lirc_mceusb |
| [22:45:37] | markl_: | usbcore 134280 8 lirc_mceusb2,lirc_mceusb,usbhid,usb_storage,libusual,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| [22:50:25] | ** xris wonders if he should auction off his old mythbox ** | |
| [22:50:35] | kormoc: | markl_, it's one or the other, depending on your device |
| [22:51:00] | Hilikus: | yah, you shouldnt have both= |
| [22:51:14] | floppyears: | xris: I think if you sell it as a configured box, and mention all the hrs you'd be saving a user, you could ask for quite a bit of $$$$ |
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| [22:51:54] | laga: | xris: that pundit-s? |
| [22:52:08] | floppyears: | markl_: look at the wiki page and figure out which of the two remotes you have and choose the right module |
| [22:52:56] | xris: | laga: original pundit |
| [22:53:00] | sphery: | xris: #3908 is another quick and easy one (no testing required :) |
| [22:53:14] | xris: | floppyears: wouldn't want to sell it configured, but maybe. |
| [22:53:39] | xris: | sphery: heh, yes, it is |
| [22:53:44] | laga: | xris: yes, that's the pundit-S AFAIK. i'm putting mine together with a pvr 250 and a 60G hard disk for the GF. getting the pvr 250 in there is scary |
| [22:53:45] | mehmeh: | any1 use freeview here? |
| [22:53:51] | sphery: | just trying to be helpful :) |
| [22:54:02] | mehmeh: | got problems wit shows recorded from virgin1 |
| [22:55:07] | mehmeh: | prebuffering pauses n stuff. not signal strength or quality. channels on the same multiplex r ok |
| [22:55:29] | floppyears: | xris: it'd probably take you only 10–15 minutes to change some config settings. On the other hand a new mythtv user would spend many hours getting everything just right |
| [22:55:42] | mehmeh: | is it just theyre cheap channel stuff do ya reckon? |
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| [22:56:06] | xris: | floppyears: except that I would have to wipe the drive before selling it, and I don't use a tuner card, so it wouldn't help most people |
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| [22:57:29] | floppyears: | xris: that's true. you could probably find a cheap pvr150 or something and install it, and as far as wiping th hd, you could just set mythtv to record a bunch of programs write over existing stuff |
| [22:57:44] | jduggan: | guys, ive a strange lirc problem, when i make install my lirc its fine, i get /dev/lirc* entries lircd works and everythings honkey dorey, on reboot, the modules load, but the /dev/lirc* entries are all gone, i make install the module again its fine, reboot, all gone again.... if i just mknod them all, and fire up lircd, its all fine also, why are they disappearing on reboot? |
| [22:57:46] | floppyears: | xris: I'm just saying that if you put a little work on that machine you can ask for more $$$ for it |
| [22:58:26] | mehmeh: | lirc is a law unto itself |
| [22:58:39] | sphery: | floppyears: but then the buyer would have an expectation of some merchantability/level of fitness and might even want support... :) |
| [22:58:55] | floppyears: | sphery: yeah I forgot about that |
| [22:59:15] | mehmeh: | almost as mysterious as why virgin1 recordings dont play back properly :-\ |
| [22:59:19] | Hilikus: | kormoc is there a way to manage the recording groups from the frontend or mythweb? |
| [23:00:10] | markl_: | jduggan: what do your mknod commands look like? |
| [23:00:11] | mehmeh: | so no uk folks in tonight? :s |
| [23:00:12] | Hilikus: | i manageh to find recording profiles but not recording groups |
| [23:00:42] | jduggan: | markl_: mknod -m 666 /dev/lirc c 61 0 |
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| [23:01:11] | markl_: | which distro |
| [23:01:14] | jduggan: | ubuntu |
| [23:01:16] | sphery: | Hilikus: You manage recording groups by simply creating a rule that places a recording into that recording group or deleting all recordings in a recording group/moving them to other recordings groups |
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| [23:01:27] | mehmeh: | hello? |
| [23:01:52] | sphery: | Hilikus: You can use the frontend to create new groups in the scheduled recording editor (just type in the recording group name). TTBOMK, MythWeb doesn't yet have an ability to add new recording groups. |
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| [23:02:37] | robbins876: | floppyears, can you take a look at this error for me? http://pastebin.ca/729368 |
| [23:02:51] | floppyears: | robbins876: sure |
| [23:03:10] | jduggan: | mehmeh: im a uk folk, but never had that issue (not that ive tried with virgin) |
| [23:03:46] | mehmeh: | jduggan thanks man. only channel that gives me greif |
| [23:03:47] | Hilikus: | sphery is there some way to control priorities based on recording groups? |
| [23:03:59] | floppyears: | robbins876: the Xerror and the 3 lines below it, I have as well. I've looked around on the net, but haven't figured out how to get rid of. I'd be more curious about the first 2 lines |
| [23:04:42] | robbins876: | floppyears, when i try to run live tv i get a weird pink pattern. when i try to watch a video in the internal player i get a green screen |
| [23:04:42] | sphery: | xris: Huge thanks for committing the recstatus_* variables patch. I was trying to change my script to use the ($MythTV::recstatus_recorded{$recstatus} == 'Recorded') comparisons and was having a weird bug that I couldn't figure out. Everything works great, though, now that I can use the variables. :) |
| [23:04:57] | xris: | :) |
| [23:05:10] | ** xris ponders how easy it'd be to add a recgroup editor to mythweb ** | |
| [23:05:13] | mehmeh: | reckon its down to virgin having crap in the stream or something. all the other channels on the mux are gr8 |
| [23:05:22] | floppyears: | robbins876: did you compile mythtv on your own or did you use some binary packages ? |
| [23:05:36] | directhex: | mehmeh, tried syncing timebase to video? |
| [23:05:56] | mehmeh: | directthex all other channels are fine and i mean all |
| [23:06:01] | jduggan: | actually, ive a feelign juski had such an issue |
| [23:06:04] | directhex: | mehmeh, that wasn't the question |
| [23:06:23] | robbins876: | floppyears, i used wilsons guide in fedora |
| [23:06:25] | mehmeh: | i'll give that a go sure |
| [23:06:47] | robbins876: | which uses rpms, i believe, floppyears |
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| [23:07:12] | sphery: | Hilikus: No. The recording group is really just meant as a means of allowing a "user-specified" filter for showing recordings. What you want is http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/290495#290495 , I think. |
| [23:08:07] | sphery: | Hilikus: And, though that change isn't at the top of my list, it's close to the top, now. Unfortunately, the real top (as opposed to the easy work I'm doing now so I don't have to work on the top of the list) is a big job, so it may still be a while before I can work on that. |
| [23:08:31] | Hilikus: | oh cool |
| [23:08:36] | mehmeh: | no still the same. glitches in playback :s |
| [23:08:47] | mehmeh: | i'll live |
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| [23:08:59] | directhex: | bedtime. |
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| [23:09:36] | markl_: | ah, looks like my receiver is too new to be in the debian lirc tree |
| [23:09:39] | sphery: | xris: The thing I like most about writing scripts with Perl bindings is that I can (and generally have to) leave my backend(s) running, so I can actually work while recording. |
| [23:09:49] | markl_: | S: Manufacturer=Topseed Technology Corp. |
| [23:09:50] | markl_: | S: Product=eHome Infrared Transceiver |
| [23:10:19] | floppyears: | robbins876: I would say that you are probably missing some xv libary or something that is used by xv |
| [23:10:35] | xris: | sphery: yeah, I actually need to add a "no backend" mode to the bindings |
| [23:10:46] | xris: | stuff like optimize_mythdb doesn't need the backend |
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| [23:10:57] | floppyears: | robbins876: I would say check if you have all the packages needed by mythtv |
| [23:11:22] | markl_: | and yes, lirc is the most obnoxious kernel module of all time |
| [23:11:28] | markl_: | why TF isn't it in Linus kernel by now? |
| [23:11:34] | mehmeh: | maybe i'll tr the users list |
| [23:11:36] | mehmeh: | night |
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| [23:11:40] | floppyears: | robbins876: I use ubuntu and the packages whose name have xv are: libxv-dev , libxv1, libxvidcore4, xvidtune, xvinfo |
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| [23:14:36] | sphery: | xris: no backend mode would be great. |
| [23:14:46] | laga: | markl_: jarod wilson is working on getting lirc integrated into mainline. lirc modules are also shipped with gutsy, btw |
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| [23:17:40] | xris: | laga: problem with jarod's stuff is that it won't leave an easy src.rpm to use for compiling nonstandard modules like the ones I'd need for my shiny new antec chassis |
| [23:17:57] | sphery: | I'm using an ATI Remote Wonder with atilibusb, which doesn't require any kernel modules. The LIRC input driver also doesn't require lirc-specific kernel modules. But if neither works with your remote, that's not too helpful. :( |
| [23:18:18] | robbins876: | floppyears, thanks i'll try to install those and see what happens |
| [23:18:42] | laga: | xris: you could make it your own. it shouldnt be too hrd to compile the modules out of tree |
| [23:18:50] | laga: | hard* |
| [23:19:15] | xris: | laga: yeah.. just been too lazy/busy to mess with it. |
| [23:19:18] | laga: | i've just hooked up the igorplugusb which never really worked before. let's see how it behaves in gutsy |
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| [23:21:26] | markl_: | laga: awesome |
| [23:21:57] | robbins876: | floppyears, no such luck... i wonder what the deal is |
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| [23:29:18] | markl_: | quick hack to lirc_mceusb2.c to add my device, and it works!! cool |
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| [23:35:01] | markl_: | and the diff is on its way to the lirc team |
| [23:35:14] | markl_: | now the fun part, how to make it actually work in mythtv! |
| [23:36:55] | ** laga pats markl_ on the back ** | |
| [23:37:08] | laga: | for some reason, i dont get a lirc device node. sad. |
| [23:40:29] | markl_: | i wonder if there is a MAKEDEV command you can do |
| [23:41:29] | laga: | yes, or mknod the device manually. maybe i have to start lircd in order to get the device nodes, but that seems silly. |
| [23:41:40] | laga: | but it's what the gentoo people seem to imply on their wiki |
| [23:41:50] | markl_: | are you on edgy or feisty |
| [23:41:56] | laga: | gutsy. |
| [23:42:04] | laga: | kernel module is there |
| [23:42:06] | markl_: | ah, living on the edge, eh |
| [23:42:07] | laga: | and loaded succesfuly |
| [23:42:15] | laga: | markl_: kinda |
| [23:42:33] | markl_: | ok i'm going to go through the process again on my real myth box, i'll let you know if/when the device shows up |
| [23:43:23] | laga: | thanks |
| [23:43:26] | markl_: | step 1: sudo apt-get install lirc lirc-modules-source module-assistant linux-source |
| [23:43:32] | markl_: | may take a few minutes |
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| [23:43:57] | laga: | i hate LIRC. |
| [23:44:05] | markl_: | yeah |
| [23:44:17] | markl_: | it was a big thorn in my ass about 8 years ago when i did a car mp3 computer |
| [23:44:21] | laga: | heh |
| [23:44:26] | markl_: | and it hasn't improved much since |
| [23:44:49] | markl_: | perhaps my favorite thing is how everything breaks every time there is a new kernel |
| [23:44:53] | laga: | :) |
| [23:44:56] | laga: | that's fixed in gutsy |
| [23:45:06] | laga: | ;) |
| [23:45:15] | laga: | i was just looking for thermal grease. |
| [23:45:20] | laga: | then i found this IR receiver |
| [23:45:22] | markl_: | cool, wonder how long it will take to get a Linux Mint version that uses gutsy |
| [23:46:16] | markl_: | i wonder how programmable these cheapie MCE remotes are |
| [23:46:43] | markl_: | if i can program my receiver's on/off/mute/surround buttons i'll be so happy |
| [23:47:25] | markl_: | i'll have to do my tv on/off buttons too i guess, that could get annoying |
| [23:47:41] | markl_: | well after i did that apt-get i got /dev/lirc |
| [23:47:48] | laga: | gah. |
| [23:47:51] | laga: | hum. |
| [23:48:02] | markl_: | but dpkg -S doesn't give any more info |
| [23:48:12] | laga: | i just mknod it but it's not working. mode2 says there's no such device |
| [23:48:19] | laga: | i#ll increase the minor number |
| [23:48:42] | markl_: | 61,0 for /dev/lirc |
| [23:48:54] | laga: | yeah. |
| [23:49:24] | laga: | hum. lirc_igorplubisb.ko and lirc_dev.ko are loaded, no error messages, i created /dev/lirc manually, yet still no dice. |
| [23:49:57] | markl_: | what kind of device is it, usb? |
| [23:50:00] | markl_: | or serial |
| [23:50:04] | laga: | yes. usb. |
| [23:50:10] | laga: | igor cesko's usb receiver |
| [23:50:33] | laga: | it wouldn't accept its address in the first usb port, dmesg looked good in the next port though |
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| [23:51:02] | docjay: | Hey all |
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| [23:51:41] | docjay: | can anyone tell me how to rerun the backend setup so that I can add a different tuner card? I've installed ubuntu in command line...I'm a little lost |
| [23:51:57] | docjay: | the frontend starts up fine everytime |
| [23:52:01] | laga: | run mythtv-setup |
| [23:52:27] | docjay: | it says xprop unable to open display |
| [23:52:27] | markl_: | may have to run it w/ sudo, fyi |
| [23:52:47] | markl_: | since su can lose your display info |
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| [23:53:01] | laga: | markl_: yay. it's working. |
| [23:53:06] | markl_: | laga: too cool! |
| [23:53:16] | laga: | markl_: i tried yet another USB port and it suddenly came to life. |
| [23:53:16] | markl_: | what a successful day for myth hacking |
| [23:53:22] | docjay: | it says xprop unable to open display '' |
| [23:53:24] | laga: | lirc_igorplugusb[12]: Ing. Igor Cesko, Copyright(c) 2003 IgorPlug-USB (AVR) on usb5:12 |
| [23:53:29] | laga: | markl_: heh ;) |
| [23:53:38] | docjay: | then it gives me a list of usage commands |
| [23:53:44] | markl_: | docjay: are you running it in X |
| [23:53:52] | laga: | docjay: DISPLAY=:0 mythtv-setup |
| [23:53:58] | docjay: | no, I'm running that in putty |
| [23:53:58] | laga: | you need to tell it which xserver to use |
| [23:53:59] | docjay: | ssh |
| [23:54:03] | markl_: | laga: i got my 2 5500's working recently too, that was a major pita |
| [23:54:18] | markl_: | the cx88 driver breaks alsa |
| [23:54:19] | laga: | markl_: pchdtv cards? |
| [23:54:23] | markl_: | laga: yeah |
| [23:54:31] | laga: | nice |
| [23:54:37] | laga: | not much hdtv here (germany) |
| [23:54:46] | markl_: | the ceo lives down the road from me |
| [23:54:52] | docjay: | I still get the xprop message |
| [23:55:07] | markl_: | docjay: you will need to run it from the gui |
| [23:55:22] | markl_: | unless you have an X server on your windows box |
| [23:55:23] | laga: | markl_: did the alsa breakge result in some door banging? |
| [23:55:37] | docjay: | k, when I close the frontend, it asks me to login, I do it and then it gives me a blank desktop.. |
| [23:55:39] | markl_: | laga: heh i eventually found some hacks in /etc/modprobe.d |
| [23:55:59] | laga: | docjay: right-click and execute mythtv-setup (or a terminal) |
| [23:57:53] | markl_: | docjay: does your login screen have options for which environment to use when you log in? |
| [23:57:59] | docjay: | thanks laga, it had to add me to the mythtv group, now it wants me to logout for the changes to take effect, how do I log out without the gui? |
| [23:58:06] | docjay: | just restart it? |
| [23:58:17] | laga: | it gives you an otpion to log out... |
| [23:58:21] | docjay: | k |
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| [23:58:35] | laga: | and there is a GUI, it's called openbox :) in gutsy, it'll be much nicer |
| [23:58:42] | laga: | you'll get an XFCE environment then |
| [23:59:47] | docjay: | it gives me the option to but then it says that I'll have to manually log out, what is the command to log out of my session with the terminal window? |
| [23:59:58] | markl_: | i wonder how hard it would be to start mythtv instead of gdm |
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