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Friday, October 5th, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:45] sphery: cout: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.14
[00:02:06] Ryushin: Okay, deleting the video profiles and recreating them did not solve the problem.
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[00:04:15] Ryushin: I'm getting this error when starting live TV: Channel(/dev/video4): SetInputAndFormat() failed
[00:04:15] Ryushin: 2007-10–04 18:03:17.770 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 24.
[00:04:15] Ryushin: 2007-10–04 18:03:17.790 TVRec(1) Error: GetProgramRingBufferForLiveTV()
[00:04:15] Ryushin: ProgramInfo is invalid.
[00:04:45] Ryushin: the error appears during live tv but I'm still able to see live tv.
[00:05:36] sphery: Yeah. Tuning without error isn't a requirement for LiveTV. It is for recordings.
[00:05:42] sphery: So you'll have to fix that error.
[00:05:59] sphery: May be the start channel for your input.
[00:06:19] sphery: or video source or wherever it is.
[00:06:54] sphery: It's video source.
[00:07:32] Ryushin: Yea, I deleted all of those. I'll play with it some more.
[00:07:50] sphery: And if you have a "hidden" video source, it can cause problems. But, if you did the Delete all video sources as described in that link, it would have gotten rid of the hidden ones.
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[00:09:18] Ryushin: I'm a bit frustrated. We'll see what I can find out.
[00:09:27] Ryushin: DVD recordings work fine.
[00:09:51] lotia: has anyone discovered issues with disk I/O on 2.6.22, on my machine its way worse than with 2.6.19
[00:11:36] Ryushin: lotia: Not for me. Though I'm not using RAID but storage groups. I had a lot of IO bound errors when using RAID.
[00:11:57] sslashes: is there a jumpoint key to get to "Watch Recordings"?
[00:12:50] lotia: Ryushin: i'm using a single LVM volume and 3 HD 1 SD recording (PVR-500) works without issues when i'm playing back with 2.6.19 and has serious audio problems with 2.6.22
[00:13:56] lotia: Ryushin: are storage groups in the current 0
[00:14:06] lotia: Ryushin: i mean in trunk?
[00:14:54] Ryushin: lotia: They've been there since about February.
[00:15:35] Ryushin: I know my recordings are not protected, but if I loose a driver, I'll only loose some recordings. If it's really important, I'll burn it to DVD.
[00:16:02] Ryushin: I dumped RAID first chance I could when storage groups were merged into trunk.
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[00:17:42] sphery: sslashes: There's a jumppoint, but none of the jumppoints have keys bound to them by default. Use MythControls (under Utilities/Setup) or MythWeb's keybindings editor.
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[00:18:33] sphery: I dumped multiple-disk (was only using LVM, not RAID) about 9 months before storage groups.  :)
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[00:20:05] tank-man: why did you not like lvm?
[00:22:13] sphery: LVM = 1 disk dies, all recordings gone (for all practical purposes)
[00:23:16] sphery: when you have one filesystem spanning multiple disks.
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[00:25:33] Ryushin: sphery: Well, the issue seems to have been that under mythtv-setup, under general, under TV format, I had ATSC selected instead of NTSC. I've had it like this ever since I put in my HD card 2 years ago. Now it causes issues.
[00:25:42] Ryushin: Recordings happen fine now that I've change it to NTSC.
[00:26:19] cout: hmm, it's rescaling my video to 640x360
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[00:28:05] cout: I didn't select "resize video while transcoding".. why is it trying to resize to 1/4 original size?
[00:28:21] cout: er, 1/3
[00:28:27] cout: whatever that ratio turns out to be
[00:28:40] venger: is there an additional script to mc.sql to create the tables? i thought mythtv-setup would do that but it hands on the main screen with nothing selectable
[00:28:55] venger: c/hands/hangs
[00:30:46] cout: hmm, maybe it hadn't written out the file yet
[00:30:51] cout: it's the right size now
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[00:36:32] kdubya: hey where do we get xmltvids now?
[00:39:18] sphery: venger: mythtv-setup creates the tables.
[00:40:11] sphery: venger: if it's hanging, it's likely a DB access issue or you've got some stuff in the mythconverg DB (and note that hanging is very different from failing with an error in the log that explains why...)
[00:45:51] sphery: Ryushin: Someone else had the same problem recently, but I think setting ATSC is technically wrong. Myth used to work around the invalid config, but it seems it no longer does so.
[00:46:33] cout: mythtv should have caca as a video output option
[00:46:53] sphery: that's what MPlayer and xine are for.
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[00:47:30] sphery: Myth really needs the graphics for the GUI (which is 99% of what Myth brings to the table)
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[00:48:49] cout: you could still have a gui on top of caca
[00:49:45] cout: have caca render to a buffer and put the OSD on top of that
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[00:51:29] GreyFoxx: what is caca ?
[00:53:13] GreyFoxx: colour ascii art ? :)
[00:53:37] kdubya: as far as i know
[00:53:39] kdubya: its poop
[00:57:09] venger: sphery, it wasn't hanging although all i see is "Main" and the wrench on the right, if i press enter it lets me go to the setup screens then when i finish it comes back to this same screen.
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[00:57:59] sphery: And you didn't hit Esc to exit, then start mythbackend, then start mythfrontend?
[00:59:23] sphery: If all you're seeing is one button, though, you have problems with your pre-Myth system configuration (missing some fonts or something?).
[00:59:57] venger: perhaps, this is only my second install and ill just have to trace back through the depends
[01:00:05] sphery: GreyFoxx: yep. And, I'd agree with kdubya, too. It looks like poop.
[01:02:56] kdubya: the word caca
[01:02:59] kdubya: means poop
[01:05:13] kdubya: man
[01:05:33] kdubya: why would 'fetch listing from source' not give me any channels with one of my lineups
[01:05:37] kdubya: the other one works fine
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[01:15:29] GreyFoxx: damn I love timestretch
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[01:26:47] mzb_d800: venger: install msttcorefonts
[01:27:40] mzb_d800: err ... might have misunderstood your comment, not to worry ;)
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[01:29:21] tank-man: isnt that illegal if you dont have a license/windows cd ?
[01:29:33] tank-man: getting ms ttf fonts
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[01:42:38] mzb_d800: afaik, frontend menu relies on arial font ... there are a few reports of FC users not having msttcorefonts installed and not being able to see the first page
[01:42:51] mzb_d800: I'm guessing that's theme dependent
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[01:43:27] venger: sphery, finally installed msttcorefonts and now its working
[01:43:51] venger: hey mzb_d800 i see your update, thanks
[01:43:58] mzb_d800: ;) np
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[01:44:16] mzb_d800: also happened to me installing from source on lenny
[01:44:20] venger: the core problem is that my sources.list for this debian install was bare
[01:44:30] mzb_d800: ah
[01:44:52] mzb_d800: got debian-multimedia ?
[01:45:13] venger: yea i think it was more of a non free thing, no?
[01:45:40] venger: before i couldn't see this msttcorefonts pkg
[01:45:45] mzb_d800: well, things that aren't included in main repo (for a variety of reasons, usually)
[01:45:55] mzb_d800: (inc: mythtv;)
[01:46:12] venger: right well in this case i had assumed my sources was good to go only that i forgot to get it up to speed
[01:46:28] mzb_d800: => contrib
[01:47:21] mzb_d800: apt-cache show msttcorefonts | grep ^Section
[01:47:28] venger: ok
[01:47:57] mzb_d800: I don't recall there being license issues with these
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[01:48:13] mzb_d800: (as I think they are freely downloadable from M$)
[01:48:16] venger: here i was going for a fresh lightweight install and i installed all kinds of crap trying to get this to work, lol. this is my second debootstrap sid box in the past 2 weeks
[01:48:32] mzb_d800: got apt-cacher installed somewhere?
[01:49:03] venger: i suppose i would if my cable modem wasn't so fast unless you are imply something to look at as far a list
[01:49:48] mzb_d800: I keep forgetting the actual URL I need to use, so I've blogged it
[01:49:56] mzb_d800: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=78
[01:50:34] mzb_d800: cuts a ?debootstrap down from 30–60mins to about 5–10
[01:51:01] venger: well that is interesting, thanks
[01:51:13] mzb_d800: I also have a couple of ubuntu machines, so I've got apt-cacher x2 (separate ports)
[01:51:45] mzb_d800: very handy ... and allows you to cache multiple sources/flavours without conflicts
[01:52:30] venger: so you have computers all over the house?
[01:52:40] mzb_d800: pretty much
[01:52:44] venger: i've got three now if i dont count my work laptop
[01:53:03] mzb_d800: but the one that soaks up all the "debian" resources is a Xen-based server
[01:53:16] mzb_d800: with multiple debian-based virtual machines
[01:53:44] mzb_d800: old version of it: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . _itemId=2520
[01:54:04] mzb_d800: (now using Xen3 on faster machine, and done away with firewall as vm)
[01:54:57] mzb_d800: I have 6 machines running 24/7 (iirc), not including router
[01:55:10] mzb_d800: and too many others to count
[01:55:30] mzb_d800: 50–100? in various stages of repair
[01:55:47] mzb_d800: (they come here to die of old age;)
[01:55:58] venger: not including router, meaning a iptables machine?
[01:56:14] mzb_d800: WL-500gP running openwrt
[01:56:41] mzb_d800: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=67
[01:56:58] mzb_d800: see pics
[01:57:10] mzb_d800: (at bottom)
[02:00:43] mzb_d800: or that 5 machines ? ... bah ... I can't think straight ... not enough caffeine ;)
[02:00:59] mzb_d800: I'm trying to cut down
[02:01:06] mzb_d800: (on machines, not caffeine)
[02:01:17] mzb_d800: but just adding 2 mythboxes
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[02:02:50] venger: thats a basement?
[02:04:40] mzb_d800: err ... yeah, garage + dirt .. ie. under floor
[02:04:58] venger: wasn't sure, thought i'd ask =)
[02:05:05] mzb_d800: mythboxes are being mounted under floorboards
[02:06:34] mzb_d800: oh 5 + laptop (which is on 24/7 anyway;)
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[02:08:13] mzb_d800: getting fantastic dvb reception ... even though it's split a few times
[02:08:37] mzb_d800: main stb gets 99% signal (minimum) regardless of weather
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[02:08:57] mzb_d800: courtesy of home-made "wooden" aerial ;)
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[02:10:11] venger: that speedtest.net is pretty cool
[02:10:14] venger: lol
[02:10:59] mzb_d800: yeah, quite pretty ;)
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[02:17:42] mzb_d800: you beauty! ... found all my pics+docs for the aerial
[02:17:47] mzb_d800: better do a blog ;)
[02:18:10] venger: if i modprove ivtv and it sees my hauppauge 150 but doesn't create /dev/video0 what am I missing?
[02:18:24] mzb_d800: (well, docs anyway;)
[02:18:34] mzb_d800: v4l?
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[02:19:58] venger: yes v4l2_common,v4l!_compat, cx2341x, firmware_class, videodev, tveeprom
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[02:22:16] venger: i reloaded it that fixed it, the previous load told me to put the firmware in but it loaded anyway
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[02:42:29] just_joe: hi all, for unknown reasons my mythtv (0.20.20070821–1) stopped letting me watch live tv. the only error related that i see is "remoteEncoder::openControlsocket(): connection timed out. The logfiles are at http://pastebin.com/d757e3fbc
[02:43:05] just_joe: i know i am talking to the backend I get channel lineups and the backend is recording shows for me too
[02:43:24] just_joe: (and its the same box)
[02:43:53] opello: is there a mythweb option to not save the last search?
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[02:46:35] just_joe: hmm the backend is reporting a MythSocket WriteStringlist: Error, called with unconnected socket
[02:46:54] just_joe: not sure where to start on this one...
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[02:48:29] floppyears: hi guys
[02:48:44] floppyears: I'm configuring a slave backend, do I need to scan for channels in mythtv-setup or no ?
[02:49:35] just_joe: i dont think so, the backend does that doesnt it?
[02:50:51] Aval0n-: guys
[02:50:57] Aval0n-: how accurate is the signal meter with dvb chans?
[02:51:00] Aval0n-: if it says 98
[02:51:01] Aval0n-: %
[02:51:34] Aval0n-: i have problems with them, like I'll watch a HD channel like FOX, and it will say 98% but then will freeze and go partial lock
[02:51:44] Aval0n-: signal to noise ratio reports 4.8db
[02:53:02] floppyears: thanks Aval0n-
[02:53:26] just_joe: no idea Avalon :(
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[02:56:29] floppyears: ok guys
[02:56:48] floppyears: I just configured the slave backend, how can I test if the master backend recognizes it as a slve ?
[02:58:01] mzb_d800: look at your status
[02:58:14] mzb_d800: wooden digital aerial: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=79
[02:58:51] mzb_d800: floppyears: you only scan for channels on the backend that has a tuner
[02:59:18] mzb_d800: but disable mythfilldatabase on slave backends
[02:59:49] mzb_d800: s/the backend that has a tuner/the backend(s) that has tuner(s)/
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[03:03:37] just_joe: how do you disable mythfilldatabase?
[03:04:10] mzb_d800: in setup for frontend there's a toggle somewhere
[03:04:28] drgeb: Iam trying to run scan and I keep getting: WARNING: frontend type (ATSC) is not compatible with requested tuning type (OFDM)
[03:04:35] drgeb: how can I fix this ?
[03:04:37] mzb_d800: (that assumes you have a frontend on the backend;)
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[03:06:11] just_joe: anybody have any ideas on where to start on my frontend not being able to play tv but can play movies?
[03:06:20] just_joe: hi all, for unknown reasons my mythtv (0.20.20070821–1) stopped letting me watch live tv. the only error related that i see is "remoteEncoder::openControlsocket(): connection timed out. The logfiles are at http://pastebin.com/d757e3fbc
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[03:23:39] floppyears: ok, so I setup the slave mythtv backend, but when I went to watch livetv it told me that the 2 inputs were busy recording
[03:23:52] floppyears: the slave backend didn't recognize that it had its own tuner :(
[03:25:30] mzb_d800: on your status page, it will tell you how many tuners it's aware of, and where they are
[03:25:41] mzb_d800: (and what they're doing)
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[03:26:07] kdubya: where would the contrib directory normally be
[03:26:28] GreyFoxx: in the root of the source tree
[03:26:56] kdubya: so if i installed from packages i aint got it?
[03:27:19] GreyFoxx: Well its possible that some packagers might include it, but I'd be suprised if they did
[03:27:36] ** jams does **
[03:27:36] GreyFoxx: You can always grab the source and get it from there without actually installing from source
[03:27:55] kdubya: i just want the channel icon script
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[03:31:00] kdubya: ah
[03:31:01] kdubya: i got it
[03:32:47] just_joe: does anybody else get the unconnected socket problem? I dont see anything current in the database
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[03:35:03] mzb_d800: just_joe: all I can suggest is to delete all your video sources/cards/etc and set them up again
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[03:37:52] just_joe: doh!
[03:38:37] just_joe: oh shoot something crunched all my schedules too
[03:39:12] mzb_d800: ooh ... missing Bathurst!
[03:40:36] mzb_d800: love these programme schedules ;)
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[03:42:23] kdubya: wow thems some ugly channel icons
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[03:44:16] mzb_d800: http://www.v8supercar.com.au/
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[03:49:07] just_joe: ugh that really horked up my box
[03:50:59] floppyears: in the status page of mythweb it only lists 2 encoders it doesn't mention the 3rd tuner that has no hardware encoder
[03:51:10] just_joe: hmm everything works as root but not as user myth
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[03:52:03] floppyears: when I go to custom recording I can select as an input the 3rd tuner, but it doesn't start the recording :(
[03:55:08] floppyears: just_joe: you shouldn't run stuff as root
[03:55:13] floppyears: just_joe: check your logs
[04:04:38] just_joe: ok
[04:08:51] just_joe: floppyears: i dont see anything wrong.. oh wait you mean restart it as myth and check logs...
[04:10:49] just_joe: mythtv should own everything?
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[04:11:51] just_joe: because root owns everything on my /storage
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[04:15:32] floppyears: just_joe: what user are you running mythtv under ?
[04:15:46] just_joe: mythtv
[04:16:00] floppyears: then your /storage should be owned by mythtv
[04:16:07] floppyears: what does ls -lh /storage say ?
[04:16:51] just_joe: now mythtv:mythtv
[04:17:56] just_joe: hmm and it all works now
[04:19:50] just_joe: does anything else have to be owned by mythtv?
[04:20:46] floppyears: just_joe: the log files as wel
[04:20:49] floppyears: *well
[04:21:38] just_joe: oh yea
[04:22:20] just_joe: you mean in /var?
[04:22:36] Hilikus_: hey guys
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[04:23:17] just_joe: ok changed it too
[04:23:31] floppyears: just_joe: well the location of the logs depends on your configuration of your masterbackend when you start it
[04:23:52] floppyears: I have my log in /var/log/mythtv/
[04:24:01] Hilikus_: am i supposed to enable auto login on my frontend to start it automatically or how does it work?
[04:24:33] floppyears: Hilikus_: yes you need to enable autologin and then start wm or de and mythtv
[04:24:42] Hilikus_: whats de?
[04:24:51] floppyears: desktop environment – kde, gnome
[04:24:54] Hilikus_: cool
[04:25:09] floppyears: I prefer using blackbox since it's very lightweight
[04:25:51] Hilikus_: and i guess i have to auto-start from the de mythwelcome
[04:26:21] floppyears: Hilikus_: yes it's recommended that you start mythwelcome instead of mythfrontend
[04:26:44] floppyears: because if you or somebody exit mythfrontend, it's a lot easier using mythwelcome to start the frontend again
[04:26:46] Hilikus_: cool, after like 1 week i have everything ready, the stupid ir blaster took my a while
[04:26:52] floppyears: cool
[04:27:45] Hilikus_: im using an external channel changer, does it need to do anything else besides numbers? (just to know what i need to configure in lircd.conf for the Blaster)
[04:28:26] floppyears: I don't know I don't have something like that.
[04:28:31] Hilikus_: ok
[04:28:59] floppyears: Hilikus_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Exte . . . nnel_Changer
[04:37:50] mzb_d800: can anyone tell me which xml file has the "skip ahead" box parameters
[04:38:05] mzb_d800: dm
[04:38:11] mzb_d800: just thought of something
[04:38:38] mzb_d800: err ... no, not there
[04:41:53] Hilikus_: floppyears look at something i found
[04:41:55] Hilikus_: Login as the user created at installation, NOT mythtv. The mythtv user is only used for the backend process.
[04:42:00] Hilikus_: what do you think??
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[04:48:34] mzb_d800: I'll ask my question another way:
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[04:49:00] mzb_d800: how do I adjust OSD items used during playback (not livetv)
[04:49:04] mzb_d800: ?
[04:51:39] kdubya: you would have to edit the theme
[04:53:19] mzb_d800: err
[04:53:26] mzb_d800: ok
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[04:55:34] TheMoebius: I'm just setting up my mythtv on my ubuntu system and I'm trying to get a channel listing, but I guess its not working
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[04:55:45] TheMoebius: i signed up for schedules direct and put my username and password in there
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[04:58:09] TheMoebius: this is the output i get in the terminal: http://pastebin.ca/726416
[04:58:36] TheMoebius: first it gets a 401 then it gets a 500
[04:58:46] TheMoebius: internal server error
[04:59:22] just_joe: how clear can you make tv out look displaying your desktop?
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[05:07:31] Hilikus_: so should i run the frontend on the mythtv user or a different user?
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[05:11:36] just_joe: mythtv is what i am using, it works as root but I've been told thats a bad idea (except maybe to debug)
[05:12:15] Hilikus_: what do you mean it works as root?
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[05:19:00] mzb_d800: just_joe: frontend should user mythtv, who is a member of various groups
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[05:19:15] mzb_d800: the groups mythtv is a member of depends on the devices you want to use
[05:19:32] mzb_d800: mine include: mythtv dialout cdrom audio video
[05:19:55] Tanthrix: just_joe: The risk of running root is vastly overstated. I wouldn't worry about it much as long as you have good practices.
[05:23:06] mzb_d800: if you don't know what you're doing, however, running as root can end up chowning some files that shouldn't be ... and henceforth the *real* user won't be able to access them
[05:23:29] mzb_d800: it's generally *bad*
[05:23:57] mzb_d800: and is not how the whole system (or Linux for that matter) is supposed to operate
[05:24:36] mzb_d800: you'd be better off finding out the cause of the problem, rather than (potentially) creating more issues by "testing" as root
[05:25:42] Tanthrix: mzb_d800: Well, considering the fact that you're just going to use sudo to make any changes anyway, it's kind of moot. It just removes on extra hoop that could in theory, but not usually, stop you from doing something wrong.
[05:26:11] Tanthrix: Generally, I don't buy the protecting your system from yourself argument. The protecting your system from unknown third party software is more compelling by far.
[05:26:50] mzb_d800: my point is that running a user application (particularly one as complex as myth) as root is generally bad
[05:26:54] Tanthrix: (Though, not a big enough of a risk on single user at home systems running myth or other common software to warrant a big stink about the horrors of root)
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[05:27:16] DaveQB: hi all
[05:27:17] mzb_d800: and completely unecessary
[05:27:53] DaveQB: there is a website you can grab lircrc config files, pick you app, remote and download it, you have a login and it "remembers" config files you have grabbed before
[05:28:03] DaveQB: anyone know what its called ? URL ?
[05:28:05] DaveQB: I have lost it
[05:28:14] mzb_d800: running as root (regardless of the arguments for | against) is only going to introduce more chance for errors to be introduced.
[05:28:39] mzb_d800: ie. instead of 1 problem, it would be quite possible to end up with a dozen
[05:29:18] Tanthrix: Actually, it's the other way around. Root as full control – as it you can do anything. It's non-root users that introduce more problems, such as not being able to write to a file that as improper permissions set, etc..
[05:29:19] mzb_d800: btw: the *only* thing I use sudo for on my mythbox is for nvtv ... and that's only because of problems running the nvtvd daemon
[05:29:41] floppyears: Hilikus_: sorry I just saw your message. I run them as the same user, it should be ok as long as you are not running things as root
[05:30:04] Tanthrix: Never had a problem that was caused by running root. Had a lot of problems that were fixed by it though. (Not that I'm saying that was the solution; obviously it's better to have proper permissions and security settings setup than to simply run as root to bypass it)
[05:30:36] floppyears: yeah that usually means permission problems and that you are not part of some groups
[05:30:44] mzb_d800: ok, I have absolutely no interest in having an argument about this ... I just wanted to add my advice ... take it or leave it ... don't bother preaching to the choir
[05:30:48] Tanthrix: DaveQB: Never heard of that actually. Maybe check the lirc site?
[05:31:09] Tanthrix: DaveQB: Would have been nice when I was setting up lirc years ago, that's for sure ;)
[05:31:18] DaveQB: thanks Tanthrix, yeah its a great site, couldnt see it on lirc site,
[05:31:22] floppyears: DaveQB: never heard of a website like that
[05:31:29] DaveQB: been googling for days! Bugger!
[05:31:51] DaveQB: i have an account on it, but just cant find the URL!!
[05:31:56] Hilikus_: i got to it yesterday
[05:32:06] Hilikus_: let me see if i can find it DaveQB
[05:32:17] Hilikus_: i didnt like registering so i didnt use it
[05:32:20] DaveQB: frustrating
[05:32:36] DaveQB: Hilikus_ yeah ?
[05:32:48] DaveQB: Hilikus_ do you have the URL handy ?
[05:32:51] Hilikus_: http://lircconfig.commandir.com/
[05:32:57] Hilikus_: found it
[05:33:00] Hilikus_: gotta love opera
[05:33:02] DaveQB: in your history ? I am sure everyone else would like to — ahh cheers!! :-)
[05:33:09] DaveQB: great work Hilikus_
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[05:37:01] Hilikus_: how do i close mythwelcome?
[05:38:24] mzb_d800: kdubya: I can't find a reference to any sort of seek/time section in the theme ... can you suggest which element it would be for the "Seek Ahead" box? ... I can find the seek portion in the source, but can't tell how the theme uses it
[05:40:59] just_joe: ok i dont get it, for a frontend only box, it thinks the recordings are local... how do i change this? i thought the backend streamed it to the frontend?
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[05:42:11] Tanthrix: just_joe: Make sure you have the proper IP set on the backend (ie, not 127.0.0.1)
[05:42:24] Tanthrix: Otherwise when myth tries to access the backend, it will attempt to access a local address
[05:43:09] just_joe: i do, so it sees the files on the backend database but cant access them
[05:43:18] TheMoebius: i can't mount one of my external hard drives because it can't read superblock. does anyone know how i might recover from that?
[05:43:37] mzb_d800: gparted?
[05:43:42] Tanthrix: just_joe: It will see them but not play them even if the IP is not set.
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[05:43:59] just_joe: hm
[05:43:59] TheMoebius: mzb_d800: won't gparted just delete my partitions and start over?
[05:44:22] mzb_d800: err
[05:44:28] mzb_d800: wrong app
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[05:44:33] mzb_d800: it's something like that
[05:44:46] Tanthrix: just_joe: On the first page of "General" and mythtv setup the IP address of the localbackend and master backend need to be 192.168.0.x (or 10.10.10.x depending on your network)
[05:44:59] mzb_d800: gpart
[05:45:41] just_joe: tanthrix, yes i just checked. i am 192.168.1.201 and the master server is 192.168.1.200
[05:46:00] Tanthrix: just_joe: You have two backends?
[05:46:07] just_joe: no 1 backend
[05:46:15] Tanthrix: Why are they different IP addresses then?
[05:46:44] mzb_d800: TheMoebius: gpart
[05:46:56] TheMoebius: mzb_d800: thanks, reading the man page now
[05:46:58] just_joe: ip address for localhost.localdomain is .201 (the frontend) and master server ip is .200
[05:47:04] mzb_d800: k
[05:47:05] just_joe: am i not doing this right?
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[05:47:46] Tanthrix: just_joe: First of all, you need to give a proper host name to at least one of your systems. Not doing so will cause problems.
[05:47:52] floppyears: Hilikus_: wow, that looks like a good site
[05:48:19] Hilikus_: floppyears i dont like registering for stuff like that
[05:48:28] Tanthrix: just_joe: Secondly, I'm referring to the general page in mythtv-setup, on the backend. If you only have one backend, the IP for both "Local Backend" and "Master Backend" should be the same – whatever the backend is running on.
[05:48:45] mzb_d800: many will tell you that you do not need common storage for all your backends/frontends ... but iirc, there is one situation where it just doesn't work ... from memory it was something like trying to transcode on a remote backend
[05:49:06] just_joe: yes on the backend they are both set to 200 local-ip and master server and I can watch tv from that boxes frontend
[05:49:06] mzb_d800: it's probably easier (in the long run) just to setup an nfs share, tbh ;)
[05:50:50] Tanthrix: just_joe: And when you try and play a recording on your new frontend what error do you get in the terminal?
[05:52:26] just_joe: hmm it is using an old master server ip address all of the sudden hold on
[05:53:07] Tanthrix: just_joe: Just to be certain, you don't have two computers called localhost.localdomain do you?
[05:54:56] just_joe: no i only used ip addresses
[05:55:22] Tanthrix: just_joe: Your system must have a host name.
[05:55:25] just_joe: i really have to setup a 192 dns server?
[05:55:30] Tanthrix: Myth uses it in the settings.
[05:55:47] just_joe: well thats probably it i'll go do that
[05:56:00] Tanthrix: If you have two systems with the same hostname, it's going to think two frontends are actually one. You absolutely need to change the name of your new frontend to something unique
[05:56:00] just_joe: well or put two entries in my hosts file
[05:56:13] just_joe: ok
[05:56:36] Tanthrix: If you change the old one, you will probably have to redo all your front end settings, so you should probably leave it unless you're comfortable editing the db.
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[06:01:47] just_joe: i just changed the new frontend
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[06:02:29] mzb_d800: yep, new settings throughout (most likely) ... the settings in the database are (usually) tied to a hostname
[06:03:14] just_joe: so i added two hosts frontend and backend to the hosts file and named this computer frontend
[06:03:19] just_joe: now i ned to rerun setup
[06:03:39] Tanthrix: I think you need to do more than that to change the hostname...
[06:04:29] nomad_cz: Hi. How to play recorded tv in mythfrontend ? I see this one on filesystem, in recorded list but not in the list in Watch recordings menu. What am I missing ? Thanks.
[06:04:31] Tanthrix: Need to at least run "hostname frontend" to set it right now
[06:05:12] Tanthrix: nomad_cz: What do you mean by "I see this one on filesystem"?
[06:05:42] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: I can play it via mplayer. It is saved in /var/lib/mythtv
[06:05:43] Tanthrix: just_joe: http://rimuhosting.com/howto/hostname.jsp  – You need to do this properly for it to work.
[06:06:12] Tanthrix: nomad_cz: Is it a recording you set, or just a temporary file from watching live TV?
[06:06:21] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: But it is not listed in Watch recordings and in Delete recording either.
[06:06:33] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: I did set it
[06:07:14] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: it it only listed in Previously recorded
[06:07:18] nomad_cz: it is
[06:07:18] Tanthrix: nomad_cz: By default, the recordings generated from watching liveTV are not shown in the watch recordings menu. But if it's an actual recording you set, it should be showing up.
[06:07:44] Tanthrix: Have you tried making a new recording? (Go watch live TV, then press R, then exit out and go into watch recordings.)
[06:07:52] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: Funny. Because I see only LiveTV recordings ;)
[06:08:08] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: I will try
[06:08:40] Tanthrix: Press "M" while in watch recordings, and make sure you're set to see all programs.
[06:09:01] Tanthrix: Under "Change Group Filter"
[06:09:11] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: Ok. I will do that
[06:10:06] just_joe: ok so it is trying to open remote file 192.168.1.201 which is itself the frontend...
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[06:10:30] TUplink1: list
[06:10:31] Tanthrix: So somewhere the settings aren't correct. Have you tried restarting the backend?
[06:11:03] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: You seem to be right
[06:11:34] TUplink1: :list
[06:11:35] Tanthrix: Working now then?
[06:11:44] just_joe: i can do that but it just pulled a way old address out of its rear...
[06:11:54] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: Yep. Seems I have wrong filters
[06:12:03] Tanthrix: Good. That was easy! ;)
[06:12:19] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: It shows LiveTV but via M key I managet to change to Defualt and there it is
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[06:12:26] nomad_cz: managed
[06:12:33] nomad_cz: default
[06:12:43] nomad_cz: Tanthrix: Thanks a lot ;)
[06:12:44] just_joe: this box is messed up :(
[06:12:53] Tanthrix: nomad_cz: No prob ;)
[06:13:05] just_joe: i see what you mean now but it seems like the database is way screwed up
[06:13:18] Tanthrix: just_joe: Maybe, but maybe not. Have you tried restarting the backend?
[06:13:24] just_joe: will do
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[06:14:35] Tanthrix: just_joe: This is how you should have everything setup: On your main system, the frontend+backend, you need to have that machine's IP set for both local and master backend on the general page.
[06:14:44] Tanthrix: The mysql.txt file should also point to that IP, etc.
[06:14:54] just_joe: right
[06:15:12] just_joe: and i should leave it as localhost at this point (localhost but not 127.0.0.1)
[06:15:13] Tanthrix: On the frontend, you should have a system that is differently named than the frontend+backend system. Properly differently named – you need to follow the steps on that page.
[06:15:41] Tanthrix: just_joe: No, you need to have the network IP for everything, including the mysql.txt files.
[06:15:42] just_joe: and i should leave the backend as localhost at this point (localhost but not 127.0.0.1)
[06:17:04] Tanthrix: just_joe: And then, on the frontend that is named differently, you need only set the IP of the frontend-backend in your mysql.txt file, and then everthing will work.
[06:17:17] just_joe: sorry on the backend in setup i set its address to be 192.168.1.200 and the master server to be the same. i didnt change the server name from localhost.localdomainthough
[06:17:29] Tanthrix: Yes, you can keep that.
[06:17:33] just_joe: ok
[06:17:36] just_joe: rebooting that
[06:17:38] Tanthrix: In fact, changinmg it will make you need to reset all your settings for that machine
[06:18:03] Tanthrix: BUT – you absolutely need to make sure the hostname of all other machines on your network are NOT localhost.localdomain.
[06:18:16] Hilikus_: where are mythtv key binds stored?
[06:18:18] Tanthrix: And properly, on those local machines. Not cheating by changing stuff in the hosts files
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[06:19:30] just_joe: right none are localhost.localdomain anymore
[06:19:43] just_joe: wait
[06:19:44] Tanthrix: Wait – you just said you were keeping it for your frontend backend.
[06:19:57] just_joe: i left the front/backend box
[06:20:39] Tanthrix: Try and be a bit more specific with your speech for sake of clarity if you would be so kind – these problems are confusing enough without our help ;)
[06:20:40] just_joe: on the new front end i changed its name in the network setup and then i added 2 host entries pointing to frontend(itself) and backend
[06:20:40] mzb_d800: to all those watching from logland, the answer to my previous question lies in osd.xml in the status container
[06:21:04] just_joe: i am trying tanthrix believe me I am :)
[06:21:35] Tanthrix: just_joe: When your system comes up, run the database check program on it before doing anything.
[06:21:55] Tanthrix: It's called "optimize_mythdb.pl" – does a check and repairs problems
[06:22:12] Tanthrix: It's in the contrib folder, which you may or may not have
[06:24:52] just_joe: ugh
[06:25:24] just_joe: my i added an entry to the backends host file and the box came back hosed
[06:25:35] Tanthrix: Hrm?
[06:25:49] Tanthrix: You shouldn't be making any changes to the backend hosts file.
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[06:27:05] just_joe: to late
[06:27:22] just_joe: i didnt change the localhost entry i just added an entry
[06:27:26] just_joe: bad idea
[06:27:36] Tanthrix: Define "hosed"
[06:27:50] just_joe: different theme, entire configuration gone
[06:28:09] just_joe: from mythtv-setup that is
[06:28:15] Tanthrix: Well, it's not gone, just myth thinks you're on a different machine.
[06:28:47] Tanthrix: But listen to me very carefully, and stop doing anything until you've read what I said:
[06:29:27] Tanthrix: Myth uses the hostname of machines to record settings info. That is to say, when you connect to a backend from a frontend, the hostname is transmitted from that frontend to the backend, which uses it to make a settings table and all that for that system.
[06:29:29] just_joe: ok
[06:29:41] bsdfox__: anyone got experience eliminating ground hum?
[06:29:45] Tanthrix: The hosts file is not used for this as far as I know – myth tells the backend this
[06:29:48] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: Yes, one sec.
[06:30:13] just_joe: ok
[06:30:14] Tanthrix: just_joe: So, if you had a system setup, then made a new system with the same hostname of the previous one and connected, it would think you were using the previous one.
[06:30:22] just_joe: ah
[06:30:33] Tanthrix: just_joe: Which seems like it might have happened here. So if that was the case, you really need to just redo your settings.
[06:30:56] just_joe: ok that makes sense
[06:31:21] Tanthrix: just_joe: So here's what you should have. Two systems, one the BE/FE, one just a FE. The BE/FE is .200, the FE .201. The hostname of the previous is localhost.localdomain, the hostname of the latter is frontend. (And this needs to be set properly, as per that page I linked you earlier!)
[06:32:01] Tanthrix: Then in mythtv-setup you set the localip / master ip to .200. The mysql.txt file on that machine for whatever user you run the backend and frontend as needs to also be set to .200
[06:32:05] just_joe: ok on FE i need to remove the host file entries
[06:32:16] Tanthrix: Then on the frontend machine, you need to set that mysql.txt file to .200 as well.
[06:32:31] Tanthrix: The host files for both machines shouldn't have anything but info for themselves.
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[06:32:59] Tanthrix: You may lose some settings on your new frontend, since it was improperly configured before, but that is just how it goes unfortunately.
[06:33:37] just_joe: that ones ok
[06:33:45] bsdfox__: just_joe: it takes a little while to figure myth out but it's pretty easy once you get a hang of it
[06:33:45] just_joe: i mean if it gets hosed
[06:33:58] Tall-guy: hey, so I just noticed that my "mythfilldb.sh" script doesn't do squat except remove some files, (so I am running mythfilldatabase manually)..am I missing a patch or a config somehwere? (mythdora4)
[06:34:10] Tanthrix: And it's a good idea to kill all your myth stuff while doing this, except for mythtv-setup. THen once all this is set properly, run mythbackend, then connect with the frontends.
[06:34:20] just_joe: tnathrix , i cant find that link you were just talking about
[06:34:30] Tanthrix: The original frontend on the backend machine should have all its settings, theme, etc. The second may or may not be new.
[06:34:36] Tanthrix: http://rimuhosting.com/howto/hostname.jsp
[06:34:52] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: What kind of ground loop issue are you having?
[06:35:10] just_joe: got it
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[06:35:31] Tanthrix: just_joe: In fact, after you change the host name, reboot the frontend and make sure it sticks when it comes back up.
[06:35:42] Tanthrix: Before connecting to the backend.
[06:36:07] bsdfox__: I've got horizontal bars on all my recordings (one pvr500, one pvr250) moving from bottom to top, spaced slightly more than half the height of the display (so I see 2 lines most the time)
[06:36:29] just_joe: ok
[06:36:46] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: Assuming it's a ground loop, it's probably due to your cable line being grounded differently than your computer.
[06:36:47] bsdfox__: it's pretty annoying :( picture looks great besides that.. I asked someone else in here and they said it sounds like ground hum but they had to leave
[06:38:04] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: You might try removing the ground from your computer (just break the pin off of an old power cord) to TEMPORARILY see if that fixes it. (It's pretty safe...;)
[06:38:13] bsdfox__: Tanthrix: I'm not sure where my cable would be grounded (although the shield should be grounded to the cards which are grounded to the case?)
[06:38:33] bsdfox__: hmm interesting
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[06:39:01] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: Your cable line is grounded at the street, and should also be grounded at your house where it enters. So, even if you remove your local ground for your coax, the street ground will make the loop continue. Probably worse too, since it is an even bigger difference.
[06:39:50] bsdfox__: I see, so essentially my computer would then be grounded through the coax at my house probably?
[06:40:24] Tanthrix: You can try grounding the coax line right from your splitter to the outlet your system plugs into, or as I did, you can ground your computer to the coax line. (The latter is only safe though if you have a GFCI plug probably, since it may or may not be a good ground ;)
[06:40:54] Tanthrix: I've generally been pretty cavalier about grounding – more than I should be, but so far it hasn't caused too many issues.
[06:41:16] bsdfox__: unfortunately the cable box on my house is quite a ways from the backend
[06:41:21] Tanthrix: Ideally you'd just want to put a little $10 isolation transformer in line with the coax that connects to your computer, but they often degrade the signal.
[06:42:26] bsdfox__: :\ signal is already somewhat poor at higher channels so I don't think that'd be good
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[06:42:34] Tanthrix: Basically you want to reduce the potential on the line between two different grounds. The closer the grounds are, the less potential you get.
[06:43:01] Tall-guy: bsdfox: just throwing this out there...you don't have the wrong cable/std/hrc/irc/antenna setting do you?
[06:43:13] Tanthrix: Running a ground wire from whatever your coax is grounded at the house entrace (often a random pipe) to the actual house ground rod can reduce the problem significantly, and safely.
[06:43:35] Tanthrix: (Generally they just run a little wire from the first splitter to whatever random large piece of metal is nearby ;)
[06:43:38] bsdfox__: so, in theory if I were to take some thick copper wire and stick it into the ground on an outlet, then to the shield in the cable box it would help (no I can't do this)
[06:44:13] bsdfox__: Tall-guy: don't think so
[06:44:25] Tanthrix: Maybe. It didn't for me. I had to do it the other way around (Take the ground from the computer power plug and tie it into the coax shield, which I then made sure was properly grounded with the rod outside)
[06:44:49] Tanthrix: Which, my EE friend said is only really safe if you have the computer on a GFCI plug, just in case the ground isn't decent enough.
[06:45:12] Tall-guy: bsdfox: see the screen in this post...does it look like your prob?
[06:45:15] Tall-guy: http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/showthread.php?t=33244
[06:46:16] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: Are you hearing a hum in your audio? Specifically, a 60hz one? If so, then you definately have a ground loop. If not, it could just be poor signal.
[06:46:59] Tanthrix: I hate dealing with this kind of stuff. It's practically black magic sometimes.
[06:47:10] bsdfox__: Tall-guy: yeah, just like that
[06:47:25] bsdfox__: Tanthrix: nope, sounds great
[06:47:37] Tanthrix: Hrm.
[06:47:58] Tanthrix: Well, I'd try removing the ground from the computer for a quick test to see if that makes it go away.
[06:48:28] Tanthrix: If not, then you might just need some better cables or an amp somewhere.
[06:48:34] Tall-guy: bsd: found another post from '06 with a similar issue...not sure what version you're running...but this might help //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org/msg02697.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdr . . . sg02697.html
[06:48:51] bsdfox__: will have to try that tomorrow. it's raining and my backend is in the basement
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[06:49:40] Tanthrix: All my ground loop lines that have appeared in video have moved – is yours?
[06:49:58] bsdfox__: Tanthrix: when I hook the splitter up to a cable running into my house (have it disconnected because the signal strength drops and quality goes down) I don't have the line
[06:50:03] bsdfox__: Tanthrix: yeah, it moves
[06:51:07] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: Elaborate on that – so when you put a splitter between your computer and the coax the line goes away, but your signal drops so low it doesn't matter anymore?
[06:51:54] bsdfox__: Tanthrix: no, whenever it's hooked up to the computer I have the lines. but when I put a splitter between the coax and computer and hook another cable directly to my TV I don't have the lines on that
[06:52:13] bsdfox__: but still have it on video captured by my tuners
[06:54:18] Tanthrix: Oh, you just mean that when your TV is hooked up you don't see the lines.
[06:54:25] Tanthrix: That's normal, since your TV isn't grounded.
[06:54:35] Tanthrix: Only one ground then, so no possibility for loops.
[06:55:08] bsdfox__: gotcha
[06:55:10] Tanthrix: Tell me, do you have TV-out setup?
[06:55:29] bsdfox__: yeah I do from another front end
[06:55:44] Tanthrix: But not the backend
[06:55:46] bsdfox__: I have 3 frontends setup and my backend isn't used as a FE
[06:55:49] bsdfox__: right
[06:56:35] Tanthrix: Well, if it was, you could test it. WHen I was having issues, that was enough to do it. When the TV had coax plugged in, and the computer was connected via the TV to the RCA line, I would get a hum and lines.
[06:56:43] Tanthrix: When I unplugged the coax from the TV, it would stop.
[06:56:56] Tanthrix: (This was pre-tuner)
[06:57:49] bsdfox__: hmm interesting
[06:58:19] Tanthrix: So the ground loop was travelling through the RCA video cable and my video card etc. to create the loop.
[06:58:21] Tanthrix: Weird stuff.
[06:58:43] bsdfox__: now, assuming the noise goes away when I cut the ground plug off a power cord, what kinda issues will I have running the pc ungrounded? (the backend is actually on very good hardware that I don't wanna screw up :\
[06:58:55] Aval0n-: hey guys
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[06:59:04] Aval0n-: my program guide is set to sort by channel number
[06:59:12] Aval0n-: but it's not mixing the dvb channels correctly
[06:59:16] Aval0n-: I have 5.2
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[06:59:26] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: It's probably not advisable. I've done it before without issues, but it's just not a good idea.
[06:59:33] Aval0n-: and it's in the wrong place
[06:59:38] Aval0n-: 13 is coming before 1
[06:59:40] Aval0n-: lol
[06:59:46] Aval0n-: anyone know how to fix the ordering?
[06:59:59] Aval0n-: it was even worse, but I blew away the source and rescanned
[07:00:05] Aval0n-: now just a couple are off
[07:00:41] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: First option and completely safest option is to ground a shield of the coax BEFORE it touches the computer but as close to it as possible to the outlet your computer is connected to.
[07:01:37] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: Second option is to go find the ground that the cable company installed where the cable comes into the house, disconnect it, then run a wire from the shield to the rod preferrable, or at least a ground that is somehow connected to the rod directly.
[07:02:13] bsdfox__: ok
[07:02:41] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: Third option is to do option two, then ground your computer to the coax shield of your wire instead of the outlet. This isn't as safe, but it's probably ok, since the computer is still technically grounded. (Since the shield connects to the ground rod)
[07:02:56] bsdfox__: right now the cable goes into a 2 way splitter which has two 2-foot cables which go to my tuners.. I should be able to ground the splitter then right?
[07:03:15] Tanthrix: But it might not be enough of a ground to handle a full short. But on the plus side a full short is highly unlikely. Your real concern is making sure your electronics are working right.
[07:03:30] Tanthrix: And if you are concerned about the safety aspect, a GFCI outlet would fix that problem.
[07:04:22] Tanthrix: bsdfox__: Aye. Your splitters probably even have a little screw for doing just that. So just run that to the outlet ground.
[07:04:44] bsdfox__: I'm a little confused cause my pc should be grounded through the power cord and then the coax through the tuners/case I would think?
[07:04:54] bsdfox__: ok cool. I will definately give that a shot tomorrow
[07:06:13] Tanthrix: To be completely honest, my understanding of the whole thing is not that great. I just know what I know from playing around with my setup.
[07:06:30] bsdfox__: that's cool, I've got a better idea now than I did this morning :)
[07:06:31] Tanthrix: I have two electrical engineer friends who I've talked with about it, and they have told me that it's a pretty complex issue.
[07:06:53] Tanthrix: In fact, most people (including me!) really don't have a good understanding of what a ground is beyond the basics
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[07:08:27] Tanthrix: Well, I must be off. Best of luck, and let me know how it goes.
[07:08:28] bsdfox__: hmm now this is interesting :) what;s the key to check which tuner I'm watching again?
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[07:08:35] bsdfox__: sure, thanks again
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[07:15:12] Aval0n-: is there a place to set myth to allow 3 digit channel numbers?
[07:15:16] Aval0n-: I can't tune them
[07:15:19] Aval0n-: it just takes the first 2
[07:18:30] bsdfox__: Aval0n-: sorry man, I only get up to about 65 here :P
[07:18:50] clever: my myth works fine on 3 digit channels
[07:19:07] clever: (ir blaster to external cable box)
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[07:25:42] floppyears: quick question in the master backend, what should I use for the wake command ?
[07:26:28] floppyears: the command that I use: wakeonlan, but how do I specify the mac address as parameter
[07:26:31] bsdfox_: you probably need to setup a script that runs WoL
[07:28:03] floppyears: ok thanks bsdfox_
[07:28:07] floppyears: bsdfox_: do you use wol ?
[07:28:33] bsdfox_: not anymore, only got one backend now. I used it years ago for other purposes though
[07:30:01] Aval0n-: hey guys
[07:30:10] Aval0n-: who here uses analog and dvb mixed?
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[07:31:55] Aval0n-: grrr program guide is buggy as hell
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[07:36:41] just_joe: where is the mysql.txt file?
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[07:38:53] bsdfox_: just_joe: I have one in /etc/mythtv/.mythtv and ~mythtv/.mythtv
[07:39:27] just_joe: hmm
[07:45:41] just_joe: yeah that did it! thanks!
[07:46:04] just_joe: im running off to bed now. i can sleep peacefully hehe
[07:47:04] bsdfox_: me too
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[08:59:27] rooaus: Woot! – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3326#comment:92
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[09:02:34] mzb_d800: Aval0n-: I do
[09:05:16] munkeh: damn, and I've just added a 3rd dvb-t tuner :D
[09:06:18] directhex|work: munkeh, so you can record 3 multiplexes at once!
[09:06:26] munkeh: yup :D
[09:06:27] vik_: since upgrading to gutsy and 0.20.2 the screen blanks after about 10 mins – it does the slow-fade-to-black thing but doesn't suspend the monitor DPMS style. ideas how to turn it off?
[09:06:35] munkeh: average about 18 channels or so
[09:06:42] munkeh: er 18 tv channels
[09:07:03] munkeh: so do we then get PiPiPiPiPiPiPiPiP added to mythtv?
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[09:12:26] dogger: hi whenever I play a DVD (from harddisk), it glitches at the start of each chapter. How would I go about fixing that?
[09:13:04] munkeh: glitches?
[09:13:33] dogger: yup. stops for half a second maybe, then plays a tiny bit then pauses again for a tiny bit
[09:13:36] dogger: then continues
[09:13:58] munkeh: using the Internal player?
[09:14:02] dogger: yup
[09:14:16] dogger: from a VIDEO_TS directory
[09:14:46] munkeh: my guess is it's trying to work out the decryption key at the start of every chapter
[09:15:05] dogger: they aren't encrypted though
[09:15:13] dogger: it was ripped with vobcopy
[09:15:28] dogger: guess it could be though
[09:15:34] dogger: maybe something in the logs...
[09:16:03] munkeh: if nothing in the log, run mythfrontend -v playback
[09:16:15] dogger: what does that do?
[09:16:31] munkeh: runs mythfrontend with verbosity w.r.t playback :)
[09:16:46] dogger: ah cool thanks!
[09:17:07] munkeh: if you see anything, drop it in a pastebin (.ca) ;)
[09:17:21] dogger: where does the frontend log things? I've found the backend log,
[09:17:30] dogger: or does it just stick it on stdout/err
[09:17:31] munkeh: doesn't log anything by default
[09:19:05] dogger: ah ok
[09:19:51] munkeh: anyway I hope your IRC nick is a shipping forcast area, not your hobby :P
[09:20:23] dogger: haha no I chose it before I knew what that was
[09:20:29] dogger: it was my favourite book as a child
[09:20:40] dogger: but now it feels tainted and I may have to change it
[09:21:08] munkeh: nothing makes me feel dirtier than being a contributor
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[09:23:16] axod: thats better
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[09:41:15] Davo_Dinkum: Can I buy a MythTV box from anywhere? One that's ready to go?
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[09:42:16] munkeh: no
[09:42:27] munkeh: oh wait in aus youcan
[09:42:35] Davo_Dinkum: Really? Where?
[09:42:41] munkeh: JFGI
[09:42:51] Davo_Dinkum: ?
[09:44:01] munkeh: d1.com.au
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[10:00:47] munkeh: hmm d1.com.au/hmc/
[10:01:04] munkeh: how much is $1000 AU anyway?
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[10:01:43] munkeh: hey that's not a bad price. about £480
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[10:10:14] munkeh: yeah thats nice. put all the software on our wiki, then let the wiki which is only over a crap adsl connection – go down when you really need it
[10:10:24] munkeh: retarded
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[10:17:21] munkeh: to hell with this I'm going home
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[10:38:38] gbee: Davo_Dinkum: a few places sell mythtv boxes, but I don't know any of the URLs off-hand
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[10:55:24] Davo_Dinkum: It'd be great if there was a community effort to sell them, but I realise that mythtv users/developers may not be interested in that.
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[11:04:21] directhex|work: and there's the schedules issue
[11:04:33] directhex|work: in most territories, schedules come from dodgy sources like screen-scraping
[11:05:01] directhex|work: and pre-configured myth boxes aren't a reality as long as channel scaning needs doing by the end user after killing daemons and blah blah blah
[11:06:39] Davo_Dinkum: What I'm after right now is a replacement for my VCR. Something with a DVB-T tuner and a hard drive in it. That's it. I'll set recordings manually.
[11:07:59] Davo_Dinkum: It's more a case of "I need something to record TV shows *now*"
[11:08:17] Davo_Dinkum: Hmm sorry to sound pushy.
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[11:21:01] sebrock: is mythweather totally dead?
[11:21:38] gbee: Davo_Dinkum: mythtv might be overqualified for that job, I'm sure if you did go for a mythtv based solution that you'd end up using more of the features but it's not a straight VCR replacement. It's a more powerful solution and the way it is used by most people is very different to how VCRs are generally used. Most people set it to record everything they might want to watch, building up a library of shows and then to watch back t
[11:21:38] gbee: ly used to record something that you might otherwise miss, not to replace watching live tv.
[11:21:44] gbee: sebrock: new version in trunk
[11:21:50] sebrock: ah just saw that
[11:21:56] sebrock: tnx anyway gbee
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[11:22:17] gbee: but the version in 0.20.2 is dead and won't be fixed (not worth it)
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[11:22:45] sebrock: ok, so we are looking at a completely rewritten plugin?
[11:23:39] munkeh: guessing you're talking bout mythweather
[11:23:48] Maccco: Hi, why my MythTv does not autmoatically transcode recording. Manual transcode works
[11:24:01] munkeh: why people talk in lolcat all time?
[11:24:30] sebrock: munkeh what?
[11:24:42] gbee: Davo_Dinkum: they are some all-in-one distributions of mythtv (e.g. mythbuntu) which attempt to simplify installation and setup of a dedicated mythtv machine – you buy the machine, stick in the installation disk, it installs the OS and mythtv using wizards to get you through most of the configuration – I've seen people claim to have a working mythtv system in under half an hour using one of those solutions
[11:24:45] sebrock: of cause thats my topic to start with
[11:24:50] sebrock: not that hard to figure out :P
[11:25:14] munkeh: sebrock: I wasn't here. damnit man chill out
[11:25:27] gbee: Maccco: are the recording rules setup to automatically transcode? Is the global rule to auto-transcode recordings set?
[11:25:35] sebrock: so no way of you to start complaining then...
[11:25:40] sebrock: I'm chill
[11:26:16] Maccco: gbee, i set in the recording settings of the show!
[11:26:34] munkeh: Maccco: check your backend log then
[11:26:46] munkeh: chances are you have not set it to use the right transcoder profile
[11:27:34] Maccco: let me see
[11:27:56] munkeh: hmm are scan.co.uk ever going to have their todayonly offers ready before half the day is gone?
[11:28:12] gbee: sebrock: _completely_ re-written might not be technically correct, but mostly re-written yeah, works in a completely different way
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[11:28:26] sebrock: k
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[11:29:28] gbee: right now it still needs some work, I'm not too happy the interface and if I get time then I'll do some work on that before 0.21 is released
[11:29:52] sebrock: how the work coming along anyhow=?
[11:30:01] directhex|work: gah, stupid pkg-config
[11:30:17] gbee: sebrock: on mythweather, or generally?
[11:30:36] Maccco: munkey, looks like it doesn't even try to transcode
[11:30:45] sebrock: well generally
[11:31:03] munkeh: Maccco: oh well then. Just buy a bigger HDD. much easier :)
[11:31:04] sebrock: I'm working on a new slick black skin
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[11:31:39] munkeh: oh joy
[11:31:45] Maccco: munkeh: :-) does the transcode job occour before or after commercial flagging?
[11:31:50] gbee: going well, but there just never seems enough time to get those great ideas finished. 0.21 should be an excellant release all the same
[11:31:57] munkeh: Maccco: usually after
[11:32:07] sebrock: gbee I wont doubt that
[11:32:26] munkeh: sebrock: it can take the place of all mine which have now gone away
[11:32:39] sebrock: munkeh?
[11:32:56] munkeh: gheyhem etc
[11:33:26] sebrock: well, I've been somewhat bugged of the inconsitensy of the current themes
[11:33:35] sebrock: not that slick so to speak
[11:33:37] gbee: heh – lo munkeh ;)
[11:33:46] munkeh: lo
[11:33:53] sebrock: ah well, we'll see if people like it or not
[11:33:54] sebrock: :D
[11:34:07] sebrock: after all I am a Interface Engineer at SEMC
[11:34:10] munkeh: and if people like it, withdraw it
[11:34:35] munkeh: I have er.. issues. safe to say that I think. very safe indeed
[11:35:03] sebrock: got to get a haircut, laters
[11:35:39] gbee: some of the core themes frankly aren't good enough any more – they should get culled
[11:36:00] munkeh: some of them were never any good in the 1st palce
[11:36:04] munkeh: *place
[11:36:19] sebrock: that what I think too
[11:36:36] munkeh: the whole thing has worn too thin for me now & it's not even within my capacity to leave them where they were
[11:36:50] sebrock: compared to W32 "MediaPortal" its really shitty looking
[11:37:06] munkeh: yeah it's just a pity MP is so crap behind the UI
[11:37:14] sebrock: right
[11:37:39] munkeh: I'd advise anybody thinking of doing themes to stop right there & not bother until more code is ported to mythui
[11:37:46] sebrock: but I'm wokring on a port of MP Foofaraw
[11:38:10] sebrock: well this was sort of a summer project on spare time
[11:38:25] sebrock: so at least the base material is done to any other UI-design
[11:38:38] munkeh: doesn't look like what I'd call slick
[11:38:51] munkeh: looks dull 7 flat
[11:38:54] munkeh: & flat
[11:39:12] sebrock: neh, consistent icons etc
[11:39:27] sebrock: compared to today myththemes I'd say it's pretty clear
[11:39:36] munkeh: looks like shite IMHO
[11:39:57] sebrock: so what does grayhem etc look like then?
[11:40:06] sebrock: one tonne of shit?
[11:40:25] munkeh: probably
[11:40:36] munkeh: but hey take that to somebody who gives a damn :)
[11:40:53] sebrock: yeah probably
[11:41:02] munkeh: and if you end up being more friendly to end users, good for you
[11:41:51] sebrock: now who should chill out?
[11:42:03] munkeh: who's not chilled out?
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[11:42:45] sebrock: bye
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[11:44:01] EbilPhish: Mythtv segment faults when I start it under debian testing, it was working previously so I think a library that was updated is broken any idea about how I find which one, I tried packages from source 20.2 and debian-multimedia.org?
[11:56:57] gbee: hmm, I do like the olive green highlights of foofaraw
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[11:59:10] juski: can somebody with svn privs do me a favour please & remove my commit access? just in case like
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[12:07:11] cout: what bitrate should I use for 1080i transcoded to mpeg4?
[12:12:04] BULLE: cout: totaly depends on what resolution your mpeg4 will be in, and what picture quality you want
[12:16:31] cout: hmm
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[12:16:42] ** cout gives BULLE an award for stating the obvious **
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[13:09:20] munkeh: oo goody my domain registration expires this month :)
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[13:43:54] nomad_cz: Hello. Is it possible to have backend on one pc and watch TV (use frontend) from another PC via LAN ? Thanks.
[13:44:08] directhex|work: nomad_cz, that's the idea
[13:44:51] nomad_cz: directhex|work: So it works like a treaming vith VLC or something like that ?
[13:44:58] nomad_cz: streaming
[13:45:28] directhex|work: nomad_cz, it works the same as with a combined front/backend. behaviour is identical
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[13:45:40] nomad_cz: directhex|work: Cool ;) Thanks a lot
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[13:47:49] munkeh: right that's me off the radar now. no more gmail account. no facebook. no webspace
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[14:00:50] hatchmt: Has anyone ran into this one? When I install mythtv from svn (does this from regular builds, too) and run mythtv-setup, the myth gui comes up but no options appear. If I hit the right arrow, it'll go to the first option, but at the bottom of that screen, the forward/cancel buttons are cut off. Any thoughts?
[14:03:42] zo0m: my only idea would be did you make sure to install the new myththemes?
[14:03:48] hatchmt: hmmm
[14:04:05] mzb_d800: install msttcorefonts
[14:04:05] hatchmt: I'll check
[14:05:23] mzb_d800: hatchmt: ^^
[14:05:59] mzb_d800: (in contrib if you're running Debian)
[14:06:25] hatchmt: Thanks, mzb_d800. I'm in Fedora 7, so I'll find it and get it installed.
[14:06:48] mzb_d800: k, fairly easy to find the problem/resolution for fc
[14:10:25] hatchmt: mzb_d800, msttcorefonts did the trick. Thanks!
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[14:13:41] mzb_d800: np ... appears to be a fairly common problem atm
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[14:42:08] sebrock: I need some help with secureing mythweb
[14:42:17] sebrock: I can't seem to get htacess to work
[14:43:12] sebrock: anyone up for this?
[14:43:19] sebrock: Im following the wiki but to no avail
[14:43:44] sebrock: nevermind got it now :d
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[14:48:25] hatchmt: What's the difference between us-cable, us-cable-hrc, and us-cable-irc?
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[15:00:01] sebrock: where is normally the MythVideo Artwork Dir placed?
[15:02:35] Dagmar: Whatever you set it to
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[15:26:06] poiuyt1: Hi , can some one tell me what the format for the dvbrc file is sopposed to be? is it the same as szap?
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[15:33:06] gbee: umm?
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[16:06:43] defaultro: is someone doing this already, displaying videos from youtube?
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[16:11:50] gbee: some people have talked about it, you can browse youtube using mythbrowser but afaik there is no plugin out there to do it natively
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[16:14:29] defaultro: ok
[16:14:56] defaultro: so looks like those plugins remove the header on the stream until it sees the real flv header
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[16:20:34] shadowhywind: Anyone around that might be able to help me get a tv tuner card to work?
[16:21:33] EbilPhish: !8ball
[16:22:44] CharlieSu: shadowhywind: what card?
[16:23:21] shadowhywind: Its a HP expresscard digital/analog tv tuner
[16:26:30] shadowhywind: I guess i should first ask, if that card is even supported
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[16:41:12] fryfrog: almost 24 hours to go from 6x320G raid5 -> 8x320G raid5
[16:42:30] Aval0n-: is it pretty seemless to add another hard drive to myth, and utilize it for recordings and whatnot..
[16:42:35] Aval0n-: not in a RAID enviornment
[16:42:50] Aval0n-: i have a 500gig now
[16:42:53] fryfrog: Aval0n-: I think with svn head, you can add multiple directories to the recording dir
[16:42:59] Aval0n-: but I think I wanna stick all my dvd's on there
[16:43:01] fryfrog: but i don't think that is in 0.20.2 (or lower)
[16:43:06] Aval0n-: damn it
[16:43:19] Aval0n-: hm
[16:43:44] Aval0n-: so would I have to run some software to make linux think both drives are one?
[16:43:52] Aval0n-: and that would probably mean wiping the partition
[16:44:04] mikeones: fryfrog: you run a nas or is youraid a software or hardware raid
[16:44:05] fryfrog: there are some ways of doing it, lvm and raid are two of them
[16:44:18] fryfrog: mikeones: its linux kernel software raid, in a pretty big case
[16:44:26] Aval0n-: yeah but I don't wanna lose what i've got on this 500gig already
[16:44:30] fryfrog: Aval0n-: if it were me, i'd probably buy myself 2 more 500G drives
[16:44:31] Aval0n-: so raid is kinda of a lost cause
[16:44:35] fryfrog: not really
[16:44:44] fryfrog: Aval0n-: I would create a degraded raid5 with the two new drives
[16:44:55] fryfrog: copy the old 500G's data -> your degraded 1TB raid5 array
[16:45:09] Aval0n-: hmm
[16:45:14] fryfrog: once done, simply add the old 500G drive as a "spare" and then your raid5 array will sync itself
[16:45:21] fryfrog: i helped my friend do exactly that
[16:45:22] mikeones: fryfrog: do you run a nfs r...
[16:45:27] fryfrog: over teh internets
[16:45:42] Aval0n-: i may have to do that.
[16:45:45] fryfrog: mikeones: file serving is NFS for my mythfrontend, smaba for my windows boxes
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[16:45:58] fryfrog: you *could* do raid0 and only use 1 more drive, but that is asking to lose all your data
[16:46:12] fryfrog: you could also do the same thing with LVM, method would be similar, but i couldn't tell you any more than that
[16:46:39] mikeones: Man I want to setup raid 5 nfs or iscuzzy
[16:46:57] fryfrog: iscsi, i've read some on that, sounds neat
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[16:49:09] fryfrog: I *still* have some ports left, even after having 10 drives in this monster system :p
[16:49:20] fryfrog: just no where to put em :/
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[17:25:12] tyce: I updated to the latest version of mythtv and would like to experiment with the new storage groups option, but can't seems to figure out where I go to add multiple locations
[17:26:01] jams: tyce- it's in mythtv-setup the last option called storage-groups
[17:26:29] tyce: channel editor is my last option on the main page
[17:27:03] tyce: should I be seeing a 6th option?
[17:27:37] jams: yes.
[17:27:58] jams: are you using an older menu-theme perhaps or a custome one?
[17:28:14] tyce: I just updated to get schedulesdirect support... shouldn't it be there?
[17:28:29] tyce: I haven't changed the theme
[17:28:37] jams: tyce- are you using -fixes?
[17:28:43] tyce: it's the standard grey and orange
[17:29:04] tyce: no, mythtv-setup -fixes?
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[17:30:24] tyce: not sure I understand
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[17:30:59] GreyFoxx: tyce: Did you update to the latest RELEASE ? 0.20.2 or update to the lateste svn trunk ?
[17:31:07] GreyFoxx: cause 0.20.2 doesn't include storage groups
[17:31:12] tyce: ahh
[17:31:25] tyce: Im using mythbuntu and just installed .20.2
[17:31:38] tyce: that's my problem I guess
[17:31:58] GreyFoxx: hehe yeah
[17:32:43] tyce: if I use the latest svn trunk, will it wipe out my current install? or just add groups support?
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[17:33:38] GreyFoxx: wipe it out
[17:33:48] GreyFoxx: or at the least overwrite
[17:34:07] tyce: ah, ok. thanks for the clarification
[17:34:27] GreyFoxx: I'm not sure just how much pain it would cause you on a mythcentric distro to all of the sudden switch to source based myth instead of their packaged one
[17:34:33] tyce: but, will it use my current db is what I meant to ask
[17:35:00] GreyFoxx: as long as the mysql.txt is findable. but it will also update it so you can't just switch back unless you make a backup of the DB and restore that
[17:35:01] tyce: ok... maybe Ill just wait for .20.3 ;)
[17:35:10] GreyFoxx: heh
[17:35:27] tyce: I thought it was originally going to be in .20.1?
[17:35:32] GreyFoxx: 0.21
[17:35:34] zo0m: you should definitely backup your db if you decide to try trunk :)
[17:35:38] tyce: hahahahah
[17:35:40] GreyFoxx: 0.20.1/0.20.2 are maintenance releases
[17:35:55] tyce: yeah.... funny how a . can change things :-D
[17:35:58] GreyFoxx: heh
[17:35:58] tyce: thanks for you help
[17:36:10] GreyFoxx: np
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[17:40:51] tyce: sorry to bug ya again, but Im having one other strange issue I thought I might bounce of you guys... every night when mythfill runs, it wipes out my recording for just the next day. Anyone seen that before?
[17:41:25] gbee: tyce: should have been fixed, does this still happen with 0.20.2?
[17:42:36] gbee: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20.2 << third in the list of fixes
[17:43:32] tyce: that's when it started happening for me, when I went to .20.2
[17:45:06] gbee: what version of mysql?
[17:45:23] tyce: root@phoenix:/# mysql --version
[17:45:23] tyce: mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.45, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.2
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[17:46:07] tyce: .20.2 is when sched-derect was added, right?
[17:47:10] gbee: tyce: yep
[17:47:36] tyce: that's weird, wonder why it wasn't fixed for me
[17:48:13] gbee: ok, I'm not entirely sure what is going wrong there, let me just refresh my memory of the original issue
[17:48:39] jams: sorry tyce i had to run out and catch ups, but I see greyfoxx helped you out
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[17:50:17] shadowhywind: so after a little bit of research, i found out that my Hp tv tuner card is actraully a Hauppage card. So any one have any ideas on how to get this card working?
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[17:52:54] gbee: tyce: ok, whatever the original bug was definately fixed, I've just double checked it
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[17:54:27] gbee: tyce: think you could expand on what you are seeing? Scheduled recordings for the following day are no longer listed after mfdb (mythfilldatabase) runs?
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[17:57:36] gbee: Trunk development documentation for anyone who is interested – http://miffteevee.co.uk/documentation/development/
[17:58:12] gbee: aim to update it at least weekly, but maybe even nightly
[18:04:21] shadowhywind: so can anyone help me get my tv tuner card working?
[18:05:47] gbee: shadowhywind: what type of card is it? analogue or digital? terrestrial, cable or satellite?
[18:06:33] shadowhywind: the card is both analouge and digital, and it is going to be connect to a satellite
[18:07:26] shadowhywind: sorry i forgot to add the type of card, it is an HP expresscard digital/analog tv tuner card, which i guess is a Hauppage card. I can give you the lspci line if you think it will help
[18:12:45] gbee: shadowhywind: #linuxtv might be a better place to ask for help on selecting the right drivers, once you've got the card working under linux in general setting it up in mythtv should be straightfoward, but you can always ask for help with that in here
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[18:13:22] shadowhywind: ok thanks!
[18:14:41] gbee: shadowhywind: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page might also help, look under "Hardware Information" on the right hand side
[18:14:55] lotia: any gentoo users on?
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[18:15:15] shadowhywind: thanks gbee, looking at that page now
[18:15:55] fryfrog: former user, went to ubuntu rehab :)
[18:16:16] lotia: fryfrog: heh :)
[18:18:19] lotia: anyone in general noticed bad disk I/O performance with 2.6.22 compared to previous kernels?
[18:20:10] lotia: i have an intel 945P board with the integrated SATA controller and my disk performance was rubbish on the newer kernel.
[18:20:46] lotia: booting 2.6.19 made things all nice again
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[18:30:07] fryfrog: lotia: sounds like a pretty good indicator of kernel issue :(
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[18:36:22] Aval0n-: hey guys, just takin a poll for my own curiosity, what deinterlacing method/mpeg2 encoder is everyone using? and are you using it with HD?
[18:36:52] Aval0n-: I'm having okay luck with bi-linear and standard XvMC
[18:37:02] Aval0n-: kernel mode seems a bit jittery for my HD stuff.
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[18:43:22] RyeBrye: If anyone is looking for a kickass IR remote to use with an IR receiver – Woot had Tivo peanut remotes for $0.99 right now – I just bought 3 for $7.97 after shipping...
[18:43:36] RyeBrye: They are likely going to go fast, so you'll have to hit it up in the next minute or two if you want one
[18:44:28] RyeBrye: (I already use a directTV / TiVo peanut remote with my myth box, so I bought some replacement / "future expansion" remotes)
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[18:56:58] floppyears: hi guys
[18:56:59] tyce: gbee: yeah, sorry had a mtg I had to run to
[18:57:06] floppyears: how does the command to wake slave backends work ?
[18:57:14] RyeBrye: like a whip
[18:57:34] floppyears: do I need to specify the mac address of the slave backends or does mythtv figure that out on its own ?
[18:57:37] tyce: I can setup a recording right now for tomorrow night, but tonight when the MFD runs, it will no longer be there in the morning
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[18:57:53] RyeBrye: dunno, never used it.
[18:58:47] gbee: tyce: is that a one off recording rule as opposed to a "record all" or "record any" rule?
[18:59:09] tyce: correct... if I do an anytime rule, it will stick
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[19:00:32] gbee: tyce: odd, really does sound like the bug that was supposed to have been fixed
[19:00:47] ShockValue: hrm.. i cant seem to get my music to playback at normal speed. all my other sound is fine, but mythmusic is playing back the songs too fast
[19:01:27] ShockValue: gossamer seems to think it might have something to do with 41000 vs 48000 settings, but i cant seem to find a spot to "fix" that
[19:01:33] floppyears: RyeBrye: hmm, I would suggest doing some trial and error. setup a recording, watch the logs using tail -f and run mythfilldatabase
[19:02:12] gbee: tyce: think you could run "mythfilldatabase -v database > log" and upload the log to pastebin.ca ?
[19:03:04] tyce: sure
[19:03:12] tyce: give me a few
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[19:11:36] tyce: gbee: Thanks again for looking... here's the link: http://home.afterwater.com/log file was too big for pastebin.
[19:13:59] gbee: tyce: ok, the version you are using has the fix – you ok using mysql from the command line?
[19:15:07] tyce: sure
[19:15:37] gbee: add a recording rule for tomorrow, then in mysql run – "DELETE FROM record WHERE (type = 1 OR type = 7 OR type = 8) AND enddate < CURDATE();"
[19:15:55] gbee: let me know if it deletes the rule
[19:17:01] gbee: might be a completely unrelated issue, for example a Schedules Direct bug, but we'll find out by a process of elimination
[19:17:49] tyce: mysql> DELETE FROM record WHERE (type = 1 OR type = 7 OR type = 8) AND enddate < CURDATE();
[19:17:49] tyce: Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec)
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[19:21:12] gbee: best guess is that it's schedules direct related then, possibly the programid is changing when you run mfdb – the recording rule still exists but no longer matches
[19:21:20] gbee: very strange thing to happen though
[19:24:35] tyce: yeah, I thought so
[19:25:09] tyce: I guess I'll email SD and see if they have any answers :)
[19:25:18] gbee: tyce: open a bug ticket at svn.mythtv.org, I'm just lending my laptop to someone for the next hour so I can't debug any further right now
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[19:25:21] tyce: thanks again for your help
[19:25:35] gbee: or the SD forums, either one :)
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[19:40:05] new2linx: why would my pvr-350 IR receiver not work irrecord and my sa 3250hd STB remote?
[19:40:36] new2linx: I can't seem to get channel changing working with this stupid sa 3250hd stb. firewire nor lirc serial ir blaster
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[19:47:04] new2linx: _packetscan: hi.
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[19:52:44] Ryushin: new2linx: I don't understand. You have a PVR-350 IR receiver right? And you're trying to get another remote to work with it right?
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[19:54:02] new2linx: well only so I can create the lircd.conf so that another lirc instance can IR blast the stb.
[19:55:19] new2linx: when I start up irrecord and hold down a button on the pvr-350 remote it shows it working. When I do the same thing of the SA 3250HD STB remote, it says something about not being able to find the gap and it can't continue.
[19:56:09] Ryushin: Well, just as a FYI, the IR controller for the PVR-350 uses a more obscure frequency.
[19:56:19] new2linx: I am only trying out irrecord because the sa2000 I found on the internet isn't changing channels of the sa 3250hd stb.
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[19:57:21] Aval0n-: anyone else here have issues with cursors not lining up in dvd menus?
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[19:57:30] Aval0n-: when I play a dvd the cursons are off
[19:57:37] Ryushin: You're probably going to need a more robust IRC receiver.
[20:00:13] new2linx: can you suggest any? I am not going to create my own as I don't know schematics nor soldering. Also, I just can't believe that I am the only one having this issue??????? TWC is a major Cable Provider, and this STB isn't new.
[20:01:09] new2linx: are you saying that the PVR-350 reciever probably won't read any usinversal remotes either?
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[20:02:37] oobe: hi I'm not sure if this is really a driver issue but I'm having problems with my tuner which is not officially supported v4l works fine with patches however sometimes after doing video play back in mplayer or other players and i go to myth front end the channels are all rainbow coloured and blurry but sound is perfect with no recognisable images was wondering if anyone had experienced this beforev
[20:02:40] Ryushin: new2linx: I just remember reading that it uses a more obscure frequency and that not many remotes can use it.
[20:02:49] oobe: i tried shutting down myth backend and reloading my drivers but this does not help however rebooting does and tzap works perfect
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[20:04:17] new2linx: Ryushin: and you're saying that you can't suggest any other ir reciever solution, whether it's usb or serial or parellel?
[20:04:27] Ryushin: new2linx: Check out: http://www.home-electro.com/
[20:06:17] Ryushin: The IRA-3 can read petty much everything. It's not the easiest thing to set up. It uses the IR-MAN module in lirc. That took me a full day to figure out.
[20:07:22] Ryushin: I don't have any experience with the TIRA device, but sense it's USB, it would be nicer to have it working than to use one of your serial ports.
[20:07:33] new2linx: so that's going to be able to "read' the remote codes from my SA 3250HD STB remote and create an lircd.conf using irrecord so that I can control the STB frmo within mythtv?
[20:08:03] Ryushin: That will read the remote codes for ANY ir device except ircomm which is in laptops.
[20:09:04] Ryushin: oobe: Well, I would expect problems with using a unsupported tuner. The PVR-150's are dirt cheap now, why not use one of those?
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[20:09:54] new2linx: I see that it says at the bottom, it has IR modulation frequency 36–40kHz
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[20:10:40] TheAsp: for the second week in a row, the office (hd) has failed to transcode... looks like it gets locked in a loop
[20:10:42] new2linx: but I know that I have read that the SA 3250HD STB remote uses 56000 frequency. It's weird thouugh because toward the beginning, they do say it can see 56kmz remote?
[20:11:40] oobe: Ryushin i have a pvr 250
[20:11:47] oobe: but i want digital
[20:12:20] new2linx: oobe: you're saying that you want to record over the s-video connection on the pvr-250 or what are you saying?
[20:12:21] oobe: it works ok most of the time just a little bug i need to sort
[20:12:43] Ryushin: new2linx: Well, do some digging and find out what frequency the PVR-350 IR receiver uses.
[20:12:44] oobe: no lol someone suggested i get a pvr-150
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[20:12:56] oobe: my pvr-250 is sitting on my desk
[20:12:59] Ryushin: The 250 should work just fine.
[20:13:04] oobe: i know
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[20:13:10] Ryushin: So how are you going digital?
[20:13:19] oobe: my card does work its just one small bug i wanted to fix
[20:13:39] oobe: im not sure i if its a myth prob except it tzaps just fine
[20:13:41] Ryushin: The PVR-250 is analog.
[20:13:59] oobe: i have a dvb-t card
[20:14:17] oobe: in my computer and a pvr-250 outside of my computer
[20:14:23] Ryushin: Okay, and it's the dvb-t card that isn't fully supported.
[20:14:26] oobe: not plugged in
[20:14:27] Ryushin: ?
[20:14:30] oobe: yeah
[20:14:45] oobe: but i t works most of the time
[20:15:08] oobe: when this happens i try shutting down mythbackend and reloading my drivers
[20:15:13] oobe: but it doesnt work
[20:15:18] oobe: however a reboot does
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[20:15:23] Ryushin: DVB-T = terrestrial right? Are you picking up satellite?
[20:15:32] oobe: no
[20:15:49] oobe: australia has free to air terestrial
[20:16:01] Ryushin: Okay, so over the air then.
[20:16:06] oobe: yeah
[20:16:10] oobe: just antenna
[20:16:23] Ryushin: I assume it's not ATSC then. What is it called in AU?
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[20:16:31] oobe: PAL
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[20:16:41] Ryushin: Digital PAL?
[20:16:48] oobe: yeah
[20:16:50] Ryushin: I know PAL is analog.
[20:16:56] oobe: lol
[20:17:05] oobe: rofl
[20:17:11] oobe: i dont know then
[20:17:18] oobe: was that a trick question
[20:18:23] Ryushin: Well, I'm confused. Now I'm in the states so this only pertains to me. From what I understand NTSC and PAL are analog signals. ATSC is digital in the states. I don't know what they are calling the replacement for PAL analog.
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[20:19:11] oobe: ok well im not really sure but i select pal in myth
[20:19:17] oobe: and it plays ok
[20:19:25] oobe: maybe i should try somthing else then
[20:20:08] Ryushin: Is AU broadcasting their channels in digital? If so, that is probably called something else than PAL.
[20:20:54] oobe: afaik pal is just the amount of fps
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[20:21:00] Ryushin: I know both of my ATSC tuners also have a NTSC tuner built in. But I only have it configured to pull in the ATSC signal since that is digital.
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[20:21:06] oobe: you can get pal dvds
[20:21:13] oobe: and there digital
[20:21:58] Ryushin: Well, PAL is 50 interlaced frames a second at a higher resolution than the 60 interlaced frames a second of NTSC.
[20:22:10] oobe: oh ok
[20:22:17] Ryushin: That's why PAL DVD's are high quality than NTSC DVD's.
[20:22:27] oobe: cool
[20:23:25] Ryushin: There are a very few number of DVD players that can play both. I only have one PAL DVD and I have to use the Myth box to play it back. None of my dedicated DVD players will play it.
[20:23:43] Ryushin: And I got that one DVD shipped from AU as well.
[20:23:58] oobe: hey im gonna go down the road will idle here though and tty when i get back thanks for talking with me be back soon
[20:24:31] oobe: yeah i have some ntsc dvds that wont to change the lock on my dvvd drive
[20:24:50] oobe: i had to unlock it to play all regions
[20:25:02] oobe: bbia
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[20:26:18] andrewju: Hi All
[20:27:28] Ryushin: Hey andrewju
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[20:30:26] Tanthrix: PAL also has the benefit of being closer to the native framerate of 24 fps film
[20:30:53] andrewju: I need some support / advice regarding mythbackend, if possible. It was running fine in the past but now it's not starting properly. In the log file I could see it's not even trying to start its HTTP Server and I don't know how to correct that... Any ideas? I'm really, really stuck now... :(
[20:31:09] Tanthrix: Players need only speed up the original 24 fps video by 4 percent to play at the native rate of the screen, so no judder like on NTSC sets
[20:31:52] Tanthrix: andrewju: What else are you seeing in the log file? Is the backend segfaulting or anything?
[20:32:39] andrewju: Tanthrix: I have put the log here: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6559 (sorry, I hope I'm allowed to give links here)
[20:33:07] Tanthrix: You are, and it is the preferred way of doing things.
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[20:33:56] andrewju: Oh, ok! :) So it's not segfaulting, there seem to be no errors – it's just not starting the HTTP, so my Myth system doesn't work... :-(
[20:34:13] TheAsp: Damn
[20:35:10] andrewju: I already checked mysql with 'mysqlcheck' – no errors. I also tried to run mythtvsetup (changed General Settings hoping that it would help) – no luck...
[20:35:24] Tanthrix: And this happened immediately after you made some db changes by hand?
[20:35:33] andrewju: Exactly
[20:35:53] Tanthrix: So why don't you just restore from the backup and you absolutely should have made before doing such a thing? ;)
[20:36:00] Tanthrix: backup you*
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[20:37:31] Tanthrix: Anyway, you might try running the myth_optimize script just to make sure it's not due to something weird going on in the db.
[20:37:37] andrewju: Tanthrix: I admit, I was too stupid not to make one before I did the change... :(
[20:37:54] Tanthrix: And if that doesn't fix it, I'd say try removing all of your tuner cards and such in mythtv-settings to see if that fixes it.
[20:38:04] Tanthrix: But before even doing that, make a full backup of the db.
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[20:38:51] Tanthrix: If you make backups you can monkey with this stuff with impunity.
[20:39:04] Tanthrix: And it's just so damn easy there's no excuse for not ;)
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[20:39:20] andrewju: Tanthrix: what's the 'myth_optimize'? I run Fedora Core 6 and I have my Myth installed via 'yum'. I don't seem to have this optimize script...
[20:39:47] Tanthrix: It's in the contrib folder – you may have to grab it from the mythtv site directly.
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[20:40:14] andrewju: Ah, Ok. I'll search for it now
[20:40:42] Knopit: Mythtv thinks I'm in the Pacific Time Zone, but I'm in the East. How do I adjust this?
[20:41:30] Tanthrix: It's called "optimize_mythdb.pl"
[20:42:09] Tanthrix: To be honest, it might just do the same thing as mysqlcheck – never actually looked at it. But it can't hurt.
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[20:42:52] Knopit: Checking on optimize ... now — thanx
[20:43:13] Tanthrix: Knopit: Sorry, that wasn't for you.
[20:43:37] Tanthrix: Knopit: Was talking to andrewju. I think for your problem you need to set something outside of myth.
[20:44:01] andrewju: Tanthrix: how do I run that script? (sorry for a stupid question...)
[20:44:05] Tanthrix: Knopit: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/tips/time.html
[20:44:22] Knopit: Tanthrix; Whew! what I was readoing wasn't making any sense
[20:44:24] Tanthrix: andrewju: Just type ./optimize_mythdb.pl after going into its directory
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[20:44:52] Tanthrix: Or /path/to/optimze_mythdb.pl
[20:47:20] andrewju: Tanthrix, you're GREAT!!! The script did its job! I seem to have my backend up and running!!!!
[20:47:34] Tanthrix: Glad to hear it ;)
[20:47:53] Tanthrix: From what I've been told it's get to set that script to run everyday at some time, just for good measure.
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[20:48:09] Tanthrix: And also, never shut down your computer improperly – it can really do bad things for databases.
[20:49:04] andrewju: Although I still wonder what the problem was... And the script isn't providing much of information... But I'll keep it in mind for sure.
[20:49:18] Tanthrix: You can take a look at it if you're really curious what it did
[20:49:45] andrewju: Yeah, I think I will. I won't understand much, probably, but I'll try. :)
[20:50:02] Tanthrix: hehe
[20:50:10] andrewju: Thanks a lot for your help!
[20:50:18] Tanthrix: No prob. Glad to assist.
[20:50:24] andrewju: Oh! May I ask another question? :)
[20:50:37] Tanthrix: You just did, but you may ask another as well.
[20:54:08] andrewju: :) I have my TV Listings taken from DVB-S EIT (in other words, I'm not using an online source). It looks there was a problem with one channel's data and it has put an empty program to some date in 2037. Now when I open 'Status Page', I get a message 'There's guide data until 2037-02–07', which is definitely wrong. Is there a way to manually delete that strange program from TV listings?
[20:55:06] Tanthrix: Yes, but I don't think you can do it from myth. You'd probably have to modify the db manually.
[20:55:28] Tanthrix: But I've never used EIT, so I'm not really the one to ask. It could be that this is a common problem and there is a way to fix it in myuth.
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[20:57:55] andrewju: Aha, modifying the DB manually... Hmm... Sounds familiar! :)
[20:58:05] Tanthrix: Actually
[20:58:10] andrewju: This time I WILL do the backup. :)
[20:58:22] Tanthrix: There might be a way to clear out everything with mythfilldatabase
[20:58:31] Tanthrix: Run mythfilldatabase --help
[20:59:09] Tanthrix: There's probably something in there to wipe the whole thing and re-get the data. And assuming the show has passed and it's no longer reporting a show in 2037, that would fix it.
[20:59:16] Tanthrix: Best to do a db backup though.
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[21:01:57] andrewju: Tanthrix: I couldn't find anything appropriate in mythfilldatabase. I think it only touches those channels that are configured for some online listing sources. At least 90% of the options are somehow related to that.
[21:02:37] Tanthrix: According to the wiki it's still necessary and used for EIT stuff
[21:03:28] andrewju: Hmmm... Ok. But my EIT data gets to the database without running mythfilldatabase. That's for sure.
[21:04:50] Tanthrix: Who knows then ;)
[21:05:00] andrewju: :-)
[21:05:00] Tanthrix: I must be off for now, best of luck,.
[21:05:07] andrewju: Thank you very much!!!
[21:05:12] andrewju: Good luck!
[21:05:15] Tanthrix: Glad to help.
[21:07:27] br14: can anyone else get to atrpms?
[21:07:52] Aval0n-: anyone running their boxen in englosed cabinets?
[21:08:02] Aval0n-: enclosed*
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[21:39:59] Knopit: Ok — So I got my box to understand that it is located in the Eastern Time Zone. Now the program info is off by three hours
[21:40:44] Knopit: Mythtv still thinks that it located in California
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[21:41:05] Knopit: *it is locate in california
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[21:42:10] Knopit: I've run mythtv-setup and then mythfilldatabase, but no luck
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[22:02:56] Knopit: Ah ha — "mythfilldatabase --refresh-all" did the trick
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[22:19:01] FunkyELF: hey guys, I got this in nuvexport....anyone know why? Export to MP4 (iPod) (disabled)
[22:19:12] FunkyELF: also have Export to XviD (disabled)
[22:19:16] FunkyELF: I'd like to export to those
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[22:31:01] AndyCap: FunkyELF: missing the tool it uses to export to those?
[22:31:13] FunkyELF: i have libfaac installed
[22:31:20] FunkyELF: ffmpeg was compiled enabling it
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[23:00:59] tcpsyn: evening gentlemen
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[23:02:25] floppyears: hi guys, do any of you use wake on lan to wake up slave backends ?
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[23:09:05] tcpsyn: negative
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[23:10:21] jahutto1: hey, i'm runnin 0.20.2 and my schedule is off by 4 hours (ie show should come up at 6, but comes up at 10)
[23:15:42] tcpsyn: is the date right on your box?
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[23:15:53] jahutto1: yes
[23:16:06] jahutto1: the date/time is right (handled by ntp)
[23:16:09] tcpsyn: Anyone get mythth to stream hd recordings to the ps3 yet?
[23:16:27] tcpsyn: jahutto1, maybe a mythfilldatabase
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[23:17:59] dannyboy79_: > I have tried he cached support but it's not working. I get this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/292513 when running mythfilldatabase --remove-new-channels per wiki here: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html#ss24.4
[23:17:59] mzb_d800: have you changed the time offset in setup? (should be 0)
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[23:24:00] jahutto1: didn't work
[23:24:05] jahutto1: time offset is set to 0
[23:24:14] jahutto1: but that should only be fore xmltv
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[23:26:24] jahutto1: any ideas?
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[23:26:52] jahutto1: i'm almost thinking about scrapping the myth install and toss on 0.21
[23:27:21] daniel_bergamini: can anyone recommend any commercial hardware designed for myth? MonolithMC looks pretty good
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[23:30:38] jahutto1: anyone else think that mythvideo and recordings should merge?
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[23:30:50] fysa: they're completely different animals.
[23:31:16] fysa: but.. you don't even need to use recordings if you don't want.
[23:31:33] fysa: There is a script that will create human-friendly symlinks to your recordings.
[23:31:49] fysa: You can then have those links created in your MythVideo dir.
[23:32:02] fysa: Voila, just use MythVideo to view all recordings and it is now merged.
[23:33:52] jahutto1: yeah, my thought is you can basically record some episodes of a show and then as you progress you can replace them as you rip them from your dvds, its more of a conceptual view in that you don't have recordings or downloaded videos, but just video media
[23:35:35] jahutto1: maybe build up a plugin based system for media types, group video and audio seperately, then you could create plugins for recording, video file, video/audio streams, etc
[23:38:11] jahutto1: i mean it would take a huge rewrite but it would reduce the amount of navigation to get to different types of media
[23:39:02] floppyears: jahutto1: I wold say against merging them
[23:39:11] floppyears: otherwise you'd have a huge list of recordings & videos :(
[23:39:27] floppyears: I'd personally prefered a tab-based interface
[23:40:37] jahutto1: right, tabbed base, or multilevel based like mythvideo's listing view
[23:41:17] floppyears: jahutto1: although I think something like that would be good, I doubt it's on the top of the list of priorities for mythtv devs :(
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[23:41:52] jahutto1: yeah
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