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| [00:02:07] | Toxicity999: | anyone know how I would rig LIRc to have my volume keys change gnome master volume? |
| [00:02:30] | Toxicity999: | It must be able to just directly run scripts on keypresses or something. |
| [00:02:52] | directhex: | technically yes, you can run scripts on keypresses |
| [00:03:00] | directhex: | irxevent, if memory serves |
| [00:05:06] | Toxicity999: | Alright, going to look in to using the volume keya for global master (gnome) volume control, and one of the power ons to fireup mythfrontend on display 1, total LIRC newb as of now. |
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| [00:07:03] | Yahooadam: | irexec |
| [00:07:12] | directhex: | close enough |
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| [00:15:43] | Toxicity999: | Hmm, surprisingly google isn't helpful about controlling gnome-volume with lirc |
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| [00:23:13] | mzb_d800: | Toxicity999: isn't controlling alsa volume sufficient? |
| [00:23:24] | mzb_d800: | (s/the same thing?) |
| [00:23:31] | Toxicity999: | true true, I was thinking a bit overly complicated |
| [00:23:57] | Toxicity999: | haha I was starting to write scripts with dbus calls and all sorts of crazy stuff... derr. I'll look in to that instead. |
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| [01:54:04] | Aval0n-: | if you want to set your dvb card to higher priority than your analog is that in the backend? |
| [01:59:04] | fryfrog: | mythtv-setup |
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| [02:06:58] | keith4: | any way to get XMLTV IDs out of schedules direct? |
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| [02:13:49] | floppyears: | hi guys |
| [02:14:33] | floppyears: | I just installed a sata lite-on dvd burner on my mythtv box, but the movies don't play smoothly |
| [02:14:55] | floppyears: | it feels like the video skips a few seconds or something. it almost feels choppy |
| [02:15:31] | hadees: | floppyears, is dma on? |
| [02:15:45] | floppyears: | hadees: how can I tell ? |
| [02:16:55] | keith4: | sweet... HTML source of SD has XMLTV IDs |
| [02:17:09] | hadees: | floppyears, hdparm -d /dev/whaveveryourdeviceis |
| [02:17:58] | hadees: | oh wait |
| [02:18:00] | hadees: | i think it is i |
| [02:18:01] | hadees: | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5203 |
| [02:18:37] | hadees: | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5203 |
| [02:18:46] | hadees: | does anyone know if there is a website for mythpython? |
| [02:20:26] | holymit: | hello, I'm trying to get mythtv up for the first time, everything is working fine except I cannot get any channels above 13 to work, all I get is snow |
| [02:20:26] | holymit: | I had MCE on the same hardware, so I know I should be getting more channels |
| [02:20:26] | holymit: | using a Haupagge 150 |
| [02:22:00] | keith4: | you set your frequency table to the wrong setting |
| [02:22:15] | keith4: | if only 2–13 work, you left it as "broadcast" or "bcast" or whatever it is |
| [02:22:46] | floppyears: | yes, I do have dma on, what else could be causing the video to not be smooth ? |
| [02:25:23] | hadees: | floppyears, make sure it is on for all your disks |
| [02:25:30] | hadees: | and cdrom drive |
| [02:25:58] | hadees: | also check the load on your box when playing a dvd |
| [02:26:31] | holymit: | That was it, thanks keith4! |
| [02:26:47] | hadees: | floppyears, you might also want to try another linux dvd player to see if you have similar results |
| [02:26:57] | floppyears: | thanks, I'll check htaqt |
| [02:26:58] | floppyears: | that |
| [02:26:58] | hadees: | like xine or mplayer |
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| [02:48:12] | Hilikus_: | do you still need to patch lirc to be able to use it with a hauppage 150 card with receiver + IR Blaster? |
| [02:49:32] | aliljet: | hmph, i'm still earching for a tuner card for dish network .. anyone have a good place to point me toward? |
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| [02:59:16] | defaultro: | hi folks, need some help on a script. How do I exit out an if..then..fi but not exit out the script? |
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| [03:07:50] | Agrajag-: | use a nested if? |
| [03:08:43] | Agrajag-: | (you don't "exit" from an if block) |
| [03:11:10] | floppyears: | hmm, after checking again I'm not sure that dma is turned on my dvd burner |
| [03:11:16] | floppyears: | it's a sata dvd burner |
| [03:11:27] | floppyears: | do I still need to enable dma ? |
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| [03:12:19] | Hilikus_: | do you still need to patch lirc to be able to use it with a hauppage 150 card with receiver + IR Blaster? |
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| [03:17:36] | aliljet: | hmph, i'm still earching for a tuner card for dish network .. anyone have a good place to point me toward? |
| [03:23:10] | defaultro: | just got back, sorry |
| [03:23:27] | defaultro: | Agrajag, here is what I want to do, http://www.nopaste.com/p/aUkqDhf8v |
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| [03:33:07] | Aval0n-: | how can you get your channels in program guilde to re-appear in order |
| [03:33:13] | Aval0n-: | from some reason mine have mixed all up |
| [03:33:28] | Aval0n-: | 1 – 15 then 30 – 40 then 16–29 |
| [03:36:59] | kdubya: | heh |
| [03:38:35] | keith4: | are 16–29 different? |
| [03:38:39] | keith4: | digital or HD or something? |
| [03:39:31] | floppyears: | does anybody here know how can I turn on dma on a sata dvd burner ? |
| [03:42:52] | Aval0n-: | no |
| [03:43:07] | keith4: | floppyears: http://thomer.com/howtos/dma_on_sata_dvd.html ? |
| [03:43:41] | Aval0n-: | buit goes like this |
| [03:43:43] | Aval0n-: | 1–15 analog |
| [03:43:49] | Aval0n-: | then 5.1 digital |
| [03:43:57] | floppyears: | thanks keith4 |
| [03:44:19] | Aval0n-: | then 20–100 |
| [03:44:54] | Aval0n-: | then 10.1 12.1 13analog 16 17 18 19 |
| [03:45:03] | Aval0n-: | its all mixed up an weirf |
| [03:47:02] | floppyears: | thanks for the link Aval0n- , I will give it a try as soon as myth finishes recording some stuff later on tonight :) |
| [03:48:50] | Aval0n-: | lol |
| [03:48:58] | Aval0n-: | :) |
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| [03:58:53] | kdubya: | anyway to find out what i set my damn database login and password to? |
| [03:59:18] | kdubya: | i so dont remember putting anything in |
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| [04:10:03] | benlake: | anyone having build problems on gentoo with mythtv-0.20.2_p14498 ? |
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| [04:23:12] | keith4: | kdubya: see what's in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [05:08:38] | Aval0n-: | yeah kdubya, check /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [05:08:41] | Aval0n-: | if it exists |
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| [05:55:24] | defaultro: | hey folks, I was just curious running at 1920x540. I was at 1920x1080i. Anyways, my xorg is now at 1920x540. I've also adjusted the appearance such as height, gui, x/y offset in mythtv so it fits well on screen. However, when I play all my 1920x1080i recordings, it it very narrow. The video sites on the middle of my screen, perfect square |
| [05:55:59] | defaultro: | is there anything I missed? |
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| [06:05:21] | nuonguy: | defaultro: sounds like myth is trying to honour the aspect ratio of your recording |
| [06:05:53] | nuonguy: | with a wack mode like 1920x540, I don't know what it should do |
| [06:06:17] | nuonguy: | what is with ivtv in the F7 kernels? |
| [06:06:28] | nuonguy: | my recordings are very flickery and they seem to tear a lot |
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| [06:18:13] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:18:42] | defaultro: | i was just curious because I have seen articles like from jarod a long time ago |
| [06:19:29] | defaultro: | so looks like myth is a bit confuse with the numbers |
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| [06:57:58] | sslashes: | if i set the mythtv exit button to "Control Escape", how do i define that in the lirc file? |
| [06:58:09] | sslashes: | superm1: i have tried Control Escape and Control+Escape as entries, but i have no idea how to do it |
| [06:58:35] | sslashes: | *nvm the superm1 reference =P |
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| [07:10:42] | floppyears: | hi guys |
| [07:10:56] | anonobomber: | floppyears: hi |
| [07:10:58] | floppyears: | I've narrowed down my dvd playback problem to the mythtv internal player |
| [07:11:17] | floppyears: | sometimes it seems to play the sound and video slightly faster than normal and sometimes slower |
| [07:11:29] | floppyears: | is there a setting that could cause this ? |
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| [07:18:12] | mchou: | /time |
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| [07:30:41] | Zathraz: | Hi. using the latest release is it possible (when having 2 TV cards) to switch between them during TV watching through MythTV? If so, how please? |
| [07:38:32] | Dagmar: | Probably by pressing 'Y' but you should really read the documentation |
| [07:38:39] | Dagmar: | This is stuff you should not have to ask. |
| [07:40:42] | floppyears: | what do you guys use to watch dvds in mythtv ? |
| [07:44:41] | Dagmar: | The internal player. |
| [07:44:55] | Timelord_: | hi. when my machine boots, Mythtv doesn't always start properly so i have to restart mysql and then the backend and everything is ok. Anyone else have this? |
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| [07:50:57] | Dagmar: | Timelord_: This is something to report to the people who make your MythTV binaries. |
| [07:52:08] | Timelord_: | ok |
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| [08:00:26] | juski: | hmm I see tv_grab_uk_rt is broken again. an empty channels.dat on the RadioTimes site :( |
| [08:00:44] | floppyears: | it looks like I've messed up my mythtv pretty bad :( |
| [08:01:07] | floppyears: | everything I try to play within mythtv the audio seems to be a tad faster and makes the voices sound funny |
| [08:01:08] | juski: | oops. oh well time to reinstall it. or maybe take everything back to the shop |
| [08:01:13] | floppyears: | how can I reset the audio ? |
| [08:01:21] | floppyears: | I just tried rebooting, but that didn't work :( |
| [08:01:34] | juski: | have you tried turning it off & then back on again? |
| [08:02:01] | floppyears: | juski: I just rebooted the computer to see if that would reset it, but it didn't it |
| [08:02:06] | floppyears: | what else should I try juski ? |
| [08:02:15] | juski: | you've probably screwed up your recording profiles |
| [08:02:30] | juski: | note: changing random stuff tends to break more than it fixes |
| [08:03:20] | floppyears: | juski: even past recorded programs sound funny, it's not just recent recently recorded stuff :( |
| [08:03:32] | juski: | awww never mind |
| [08:05:15] | Zathraz: | dagmar, problem was I could not find it in the docs. Other problem is that keyboard is not working (everything else is with one exception). Sound on watching TV does not work although I patched L+R audio from PVR350 to line-in on the onboard soundcard. Sound works fine on playing mp3. |
| [08:05:20] | juski: | there we go. I'm unsubscribed from all the mailing lists now |
| [08:05:43] | Dagmar: | It's in the docs. |
| [08:06:06] | juski: | you guys will go on buying pvr350 cards despite our protestations... |
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| [08:06:42] | edwardoc: | hello |
| [08:06:43] | Dibblah: | juski: What are you going to do with all of that free time? |
| [08:06:57] | juski: | watch TV. listen to music. read books |
| [08:07:03] | edwardoc: | ping |
| [08:07:05] | edwardoc: | #mythtv-users |
| [08:07:16] | Dibblah: | edwardoc: Yes, we're here. |
| [08:07:22] | juski: | testing!!!!!!!!!! |
| [08:07:24] | juski: | hello!!!!!!!! |
| [08:07:34] | juski: | ignore this! |
| [08:07:36] | edwardoc: | ok so has anyone ? |
| [08:07:53] | juski: | has anyone? yeah I have. i'm very happy with it actually |
| [08:08:29] | Dibblah: | Heh. edwardoc, just ask the question again. There are many more people in here than the dev channel ;) |
| [08:09:44] | edwardoc: | yea yea, has anyone got MythTV complied on a SunOS or BSD kernel |
| [08:10:26] | juski: | there was a particularly argumentative guy who was arguing for stuff to make mythtv easier to get working on BSD |
| [08:10:27] | edwardoc: | :p |
| [08:10:48] | juski: | that was a while ago & I can't remember the outcome. probably came to nowt |
| [08:11:10] | Dibblah: | It did. |
| [08:11:17] | edwardoc: | Well far play but has anything been done ? do the make files support it ? |
| [08:11:17] | Dibblah: | Ticket still uncommitted. |
| [08:11:28] | Dibblah: | edwardoc: Have you tried it? ;) |
| [08:11:33] | Dibblah: | And... Why? |
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| [08:11:42] | juski: | mythtv is for linux & makes no claims that it can be got working on anything else |
| [08:11:55] | Dibblah: | BSD is moderately supported, since OSX is supported. |
| [08:11:57] | edwardoc: | No, better ask before I try and reinvent the wheel |
| [08:12:03] | juski: | and as you know, SunOS & BSD != linux |
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| [08:12:24] | Dibblah: | != == >? ;) |
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| [08:12:49] | Dibblah: | Since 2 OSes are better than one. Oh, wait... |
| [08:13:02] | Dibblah: | I'd concentrate on SunOS, though. |
| [08:13:08] | juski: | Dibblah: all I know about BSD is that you have to be pretty anal about security to even properly need BSD |
| [08:13:09] | Dibblah: | Since *BSD is dead. |
| [08:13:30] | juski: | infact from the tone of posts I've seen from BSD people, just pretty anal infact |
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| [08:13:37] | edwardoc: | BSD is not dead at all |
| [08:13:50] | edwardoc: | infact most of Yahoo servers run on it |
| [08:13:52] | juski: | just use linux. much easier |
| [08:13:55] | edwardoc: | PCBSD |
| [08:14:32] | juski: | mythtv might not even be difficult to get worky on BSD. what you might have issues with is device drivers for TV tuners |
| [08:14:37] | edwardoc: | usualy good quality software is very portible |
| [08:14:55] | juski: | who said mythtv is good quality software? |
| [08:14:58] | juski: | :P |
| [08:15:02] | edwardoc: | ok |
| [08:15:05] | Dibblah: | edwardoc: Try it. If it works, yay. |
| [08:15:17] | Dibblah: | However, I would doubt any of the capture stuff works. |
| [08:15:21] | edwardoc: | its been a long time since I been around this project |
| [08:15:40] | Dibblah: | I would seriously suggest sticking to Linux. |
| [08:15:45] | edwardoc: | I can do most of my own driver patchs if need be |
| [08:16:00] | juski: | there's no point whining that "quality software is very portible (sic)" if it turns out mythtv won't work on BSD |
| [08:16:08] | edwardoc: | ok I am just getting a idea around it |
| [08:16:16] | Dibblah: | You're going to implement video4linux on BSD? Cunning... |
| [08:16:40] | floppyears: | anybody ? |
| [08:16:41] | Dibblah: | Again, just go with the rest of the sheeple. |
| [08:16:54] | floppyears: | what could cause the video to be slightly faster than usual ? |
| [08:16:57] | edwardoc: | also, do usb tunners have hardware MPEG2 e/d's? |
| [08:17:10] | floppyears: | the video & audio seem to be in sync, but they are faster than normal :( |
| [08:17:11] | juski: | edwardoc: not all of them |
| [08:17:26] | juski: | floppyears: look at the settings you've changed |
| [08:17:28] | Dibblah: | floppyears: Have you changed a playback profile? |
| [08:17:29] | edwardoc: | ok so a P3 is no good then |
| [08:17:36] | Dibblah: | Timestretch... |
| [08:17:59] | Dibblah: | edwardoc: Depends on the USB tuner. |
| [08:18:18] | floppyears: | I looked through settings, because the dvd playback wasn't working correctly :( |
| [08:18:20] | juski: | DVB USB tuners give you mpeg transport streams |
| [08:18:24] | floppyears: | I can't remember what I changed :( |
| [08:18:40] | Dibblah: | floppyears: Just restore from your last working backup ;) |
| [08:18:45] | juski: | and the majority of USB TV tuners for analogue video aren't even supported in linux |
| [08:18:46] | edwardoc: | Could you please point me in the right direction ? maybe Conex chipset ? |
| [08:18:55] | floppyears: | Dibblah: don't have one :( |
| [08:18:59] | juski: | edwardoc: for analogue video, Hauppauge PVR USB2 |
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| [08:19:17] | floppyears: | I was going to make a backup after getting the dvd burner to work :( |
| [08:19:21] | edwardoc: | that has hardware MPEG then ? |
| [08:19:49] | juski: | edwardoc: yeah |
| [08:20:27] | edwardoc: | ok thank you for the info |
| [08:20:46] | edwardoc: | there is myth4fbsd by the way |
| [08:21:03] | juski: | though why you'd want to make your life unnecessarily hard just because you can, is beyond me |
| [08:22:19] | edwardoc: | life is hard, get over it |
| [08:22:28] | edwardoc: | :(\ |
| [08:22:30] | juski: | muh muh muhhhhhhhhh |
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| [08:23:35] | juski: | enough people have far too much trouble with mythtv where everything's already done for them, so God help you :) |
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| [08:25:31] | edwardoc: | I am God |
| [08:25:49] | Dibblah: | Uh.... Huh. |
| [08:25:50] | edwardoc: | by the way; has linux got a driver for Hauppauge PVR USB2 |
| [08:26:03] | juski: | edwardoc: has google.com got a search facility? |
| [08:26:12] | edwardoc: | no |
| [08:27:30] | juski: | there's more than one driver for the pvrusb2 actually. choose wisely :P |
| [08:27:48] | edwardoc: | what is the Universal Resource Locator for wwww.google.com ? |
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| [08:29:57] | juski: | duh kewl kidz all do usay BSD. them likes at |
| [08:32:04] | Dibblah: | Mmmm. Slow-cooked breakfast porridge. |
| [08:32:49] | rooaus: | hi |
| [08:35:53] | edwardoc: | found this http://mythtv.son.org/tiki-index.php |
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| [08:39:48] | floppyears: | I remember that my problems started when I was watching a dvd using the internal player |
| [08:39:57] | floppyears: | and I hedl the fwd & rew key too much |
| [08:40:06] | juski: | hedl? |
| [08:40:12] | floppyears: | is there a setting related to them or something that triggered by doing that ? |
| [08:41:30] | juski: | floppyears: simply seeking during playback of a dvd can't change settings |
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| [08:49:25] | mchou: | floppyears: look for "adjust audio sync," most likely you accidentally pressed wrong key |
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| [09:00:35] | floppyears: | phew |
| [09:00:50] | floppyears: | finally figured out the options they were in the Playback section of Setup |
| [09:00:56] | floppyears: | time to go to bed now :( |
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| [09:03:58] | edwardoc: | thanks , bye |
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| [10:30:07] | ** juski wonders how much a dbox2 fetches these days... ** | |
| [10:32:03] | juski: | ! as much as that? hahaha |
| [10:33:33] | directhex|work: | one... hundred.... beeeeelion dollars? |
| [10:34:12] | juski: | more than I paid for it anyway :) |
| [10:34:59] | juski: | gone & deleted my pvr150 from my backend. nothing worth recording on cable anymore |
| [10:35:18] | ** janneg doubts that the work he is doing for mythtv's dbox2 recorder will increase its value ** | |
| [10:36:08] | juski: | jan2600: you implementing udrec? |
| [10:36:13] | juski: | oops janneg I mean |
| [10:37:30] | janneg: | no, I've added a channelscan and some minor cleanups |
| [10:38:00] | janneg: | I doubt that I will have time for udp before laga wants his dbox2 back |
| [10:38:41] | juski: | ah. I always found the tcp streaming to be unreliable. made httpd lock up |
| [10:39:32] | juski: | well, mine's going on ebay soon along with the pvr card |
| [10:41:39] | juski: | mythweb is so much faster without all those pointless channels now :D |
| [10:42:52] | janneg: | juski: laga claimed that it doesn't work at all, I've seen only problems with high bitrate (8mbit) channels |
| [10:43:22] | juski: | well that'd be because of its lame 10mbit ethernet I bet ;) |
| [10:44:23] | juski: | roflmao @ TalkSport's EIT catgories |
| [10:44:38] | juski: | Jon Gaunt – music/ballet/dance |
| [10:48:07] | jduggan: | juski: you aren't recording from NTL/virgin STB anymore? |
| [10:49:54] | juski: | nope |
| [10:50:07] | juski: | FA worth watching on paytv |
| [10:50:35] | janneg: | juski: of course and udp might help |
| [10:50:45] | juski: | adding a 3rd freeview tuner this weekend |
| [10:51:31] | juski: | think we might cancel virgin altogether & just get a freeview box |
| [10:51:43] | jduggan: | freeview box? |
| [10:51:50] | jduggan: | why when you got mythtv with dvb-t? |
| [10:52:04] | jduggan: | or do you mean for tutv |
| [10:52:07] | juski: | er.. because livetv in mythtv ottally sucks? |
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| [10:56:32] | Juski_: | heh. can't connect to my machine at home now. they heard me dissing Virgin |
| [10:57:49] | jduggan: | lol |
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| [10:59:25] | juski: | hmmm seems my home connection is still good – more that I can't get into it from here |
| [10:59:27] | Dibblah: | juski: Are you combined FE / BE? |
| [10:59:33] | juski: | iamben: no |
| [10:59:43] | juski: | DIbblah: no |
| [10:59:49] | Dibblah: | NFS mounted, then. |
| [10:59:57] | Dibblah: | Or using streaming? |
| [10:59:59] | juski: | don't want no stinking big box in the living room :) |
| [11:00:06] | juski: | tried both ways. all suck |
| [11:00:25] | juski: | channel change time is better than it used to be by far but still yucky |
| [11:00:34] | Dibblah: | Right. |
| [11:00:52] | juski: | plus we just don't need a pvr to rewind TV |
| [11:01:27] | Daviey: | you _watch_ livetv?! |
| [11:01:51] | Dibblah: | Try changing your mount options to nfsvers=3,noatime,noac |
| [11:01:51] | Daviey: | That's sooo 2005 |
| [11:01:53] | juski: | my wife does |
| [11:01:54] | juski: | I don;t |
| [11:02:06] | Dibblah: | That should help when not streaming. |
| [11:02:12] | Daviey: | juski: How's the mutt doing? |
| [11:02:23] | juski: | it's got the shits |
| [11:02:23] | Dibblah: | noac == no attribute caching. |
| [11:02:38] | Daviey: | juski: all over your kitchen floor? |
| [11:03:11] | juski: | no only when he's out |
| [11:03:23] | juski: | hoping it's down to his food |
| [11:03:27] | Daviey: | that's a relief |
| [11:03:58] | Dibblah: | New owners need trained in the "proper" food selection ;) |
| [11:04:10] | Daviey: | Nothin' better than getting home from a hard days work, and finding a squidgy steamer |
| [11:04:13] | juski: | no scraps from us |
| [11:04:32] | juski: | gonna try him on complete dry food |
| [11:04:52] | Dibblah: | Yeah, but different brands of food require different... Processing. Which takes some time to adjust to. |
| [11:05:05] | Dibblah: | Stick with something for at least a couple of weeks. |
| [11:05:14] | Daviey: | we don't give ours tinned.. just dried food with water in the same bowl |
| [11:06:51] | juski: | hmm I think I know what's up here. somebody or some thing is hammerring my home ip address |
| [11:07:58] | juski: | anyway other than being a bit runny doggy is fine. seems very happy |
| [11:08:15] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [11:08:32] | juski: | I've dropped a hole in my belt already |
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| [11:08:50] | Daviey: | Is that where the leather has stretched, where you beat him with it? |
| [11:08:53] | Daviey: | mine did that aswell |
| [11:09:08] | juski: | nah that's from all the walkies |
| [11:09:29] | jduggan: | lol @ beat him with it |
| [11:09:59] | juski: | just never walked anywhere before. leave house, sit in car, drive to work. come home in car, sit down all night.. |
| [11:10:22] | Daviey: | ideal... |
| [11:10:41] | Daviey: | Then some mutt come along, and whines until you go out |
| [11:10:50] | juski: | getting to know the area where I live some more too |
| [11:11:35] | juski: | yay logged into home again. it's unbelievably slow though |
| [11:12:30] | juski: | think I'll close port 80 & see if that improves owt |
| [11:14:33] | Daviey: | juski: is this your windows machine? |
| [11:14:46] | juski: | lol no |
| [11:15:05] | Daviey: | juski: erm, are you aware of juski.co.uk? |
| [11:15:10] | juski: | nothing from the outside world gets fwded to that |
| [11:15:22] | juski: | yes it's down. i took it down and it's staying down |
| [11:15:29] | Daviey: | why?! |
| [11:18:27] | juski: | because I'm sterile & it's made me very angry at the world? |
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| [11:23:42] | juski: | anyway whatever is trying to kick my broadband's back door in isn't necessarily on port 80, or else the router's just being overwhelmed |
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| [11:45:29] | ** directhex|work pokes rooaus ** | |
| [11:47:08] | rooaus: | howdy |
| [11:50:05] | directhex|work: | care to parse the final revision of my article before i submit it to my editor? |
| [11:51:05] | rooaus: | sure, it will take a couple of hours though if that is ok |
| [11:53:10] | directhex|work: | i'll ask someone else. i'm out this afternoon, so want to get things sorted quicksharp |
| [11:54:07] | rooaus: | sorry about that |
| [11:54:50] | directhex|work: | how about you Daviey? got a minute? |
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| [12:00:19] | Daviey: | directhex|work: sure |
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| [12:16:48] | aliljet: | hmph, i'm still earching for a tuner card for dish network .. anyone have a good place to point me toward? |
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| [12:17:07] | GreyFoxx: | The PVR 150 is nice :) |
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| [12:17:24] | aliljet: | GreyFoxx: cool =) |
| [12:17:25] | directhex|work: | analog :'( |
| [12:17:27] | aliljet: | GreyFoxx: any other ideas? |
| [12:17:38] | hendrixski: | is there a way to watch online streaming channels the way you watch cable channels? |
| [12:17:44] | GreyFoxx: | aliljet: None that don't fall outside the realm of "stuff we don't speak about in here" |
| [12:17:55] | directhex|work: | DISH uses horrible smelly skyesque NDS doesn't it? |
| [12:17:59] | GreyFoxx: | since dishnet doesn't broadcast unencrypted stuff |
| [12:18:05] | hendrixski: | like where channel up and down also switches them and stuff? |
| [12:18:52] | aliljet: | GreyFoxx: ugh, I know .. I'm trying to keep legal with my setup =\ |
| [12:19:05] | GreyFoxx: | aliljet: then the pvr card is your only reall option |
| [12:19:05] | aliljet: | directhex|work: =( |
| [12:19:15] | GreyFoxx: | They wont sell cams for users to use :/ |
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| [12:19:21] | directhex|work: | isn't there something firewirey in the US? |
| [12:19:31] | GreyFoxx: | not for any dishnet receivers |
| [12:19:36] | directhex|work: | lame! |
| [12:19:54] | GreyFoxx: | It's really too bad |
| [12:19:59] | hendrixski: | for example, if I were to add a few online TV streams to the database, would they show up back to back with the cable channels when I flip through them? |
| [12:20:20] | GreyFoxx: | if they sold cams, or had firewire output and such users would flock to that technology and not go the route of illegal decryption |
| [12:20:33] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, i'd buy a Sky CAM in a heartbeat |
| [12:20:36] | hendrixski: | or... if that hasn't been done before, is that a question for the dev. area? |
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| [12:21:44] | GreyFoxx: | hendrixski: I don't believe you can add "online tv streams" to myth. At least not any of the official stuff |
| [12:21:58] | GreyFoxx: | unless you are referring to regular iptv streams friom your provider |
| [12:22:08] | hendrixski: | GreyFoxx, are there any unofficial plugins you are aware of that do this? |
| [12:22:23] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [12:22:39] | GreyFoxx: | I think there is a mythstream out there, but I think that might be audio only |
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| [12:23:40] | hendrixski: | yeah, mythstream seems to do only Audio shoutcasts... and occasionally they have a stream show up in a little tiny window |
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| [12:24:12] | hendrixski: | GreyFoxx, It feels like something that somebody else would have thought of by now, seeing as how you can watch TV on the internet since the 90's |
| [12:25:08] | GreyFoxx: | hendrixski: It's been though of lots of times |
| [12:25:15] | GreyFoxx: | just noone has the desire to do it |
| [12:25:49] | GreyFoxx: | online content general sucks, looks like crap, is slow, visually poor due to lot bitrates and such |
| [12:25:59] | hendrixski: | Ah, it all comes down to desire.... what I did at first is make an XML menu that just has <button><text>streamname</text><action>mplayer -fs -zoom mms://stream/address </action></button> but while that plays a few streams, it won't let me channel surf them |
| [12:26:26] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, the only "major" networks i know of which will sell you a CAM happily are Nova in greece, Cyfrowy Polsat in poland, Showtime or ART in the nile region, and digitalb in albania |
| [12:26:30] | hendrixski: | GreyFoxx, They have HD streams nowadays :-) and those look sharp |
| [12:26:44] | GreyFoxx: | hendrixski: Noone is streaming REAL HD over the internet |
| [12:26:51] | GreyFoxx: | It's too much bandwidth |
| [12:27:18] | GreyFoxx: | unless you are on internet2 or canet3 or something |
| [12:27:21] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, you mean you don't have 22mbit dsl? :o |
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| [12:27:52] | GreyFoxx: | No, but I have 15mbit cable modem, and several multi hundred megabit connections at work :) |
| [12:27:54] | hendrixski: | oh, they looked decent on my laptop, but maybe that won't translate the same on a big screen |
| [12:27:58] | hendrixski: | now... You said this has been thoruhgt of before... if I scour the dev-list archives, will I find out more about what the landscape is? |
| [12:28:25] | GreyFoxx: | hendrixski: I've seen it on -dev and -users. and there really wasn't much discussion of it |
| [12:29:02] | hendrixski: | oh |
| [12:29:56] | GreyFoxx: | as I said, no desire to implement so noone is gonna spend much effort discussing it :) |
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| [12:30:11] | GreyFoxx: | But feel free to start a thread on it |
| [12:30:12] | Kazan: | anyone know if openGL renderers are still unstable in trunk? |
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| [12:31:51] | hendrixski: | I assume that as streams get better and bandwidth becomes ubiquitous that topic will come up again |
| [12:32:13] | hendrixski: | I'll keep tinkering with it, maybe I'll be able to implement something |
| [12:32:32] | ** hendrixski is still learning Qt3... it's a big difference from Java ** | |
| [12:32:52] | directhex|work: | and obsolete too! why not port myth to qt4? \o/ |
| [12:33:09] | hendrixski: | directhex|work, that's been discussed hundreds of times as well |
| [12:33:19] | GreyFoxx: | and more likely to happen :) |
| [12:35:39] | mzb_d800: | would somebody like to volunteer advice on my problem with nvidia tv-out (chrontel) with PAL tv? |
| [12:36:02] | mzb_d800: | I'm not sure where to start the description of the problem, tbh ;) |
| [12:36:38] | mzb_d800: | Initially, I was unable to get either the menu or playback to fill the screen |
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| [12:36:51] | mzb_d800: | but by using nvtv, I can (over)fill it |
| [12:37:09] | mzb_d800: | then, by reducing the size of the menu, I can get it to look great |
| [12:37:25] | mzb_d800: | however, the problem is that I can't get nice playback |
| [12:37:53] | mzb_d800: | fill mode is fine, except I can't see the OSD properly (bottom isn't displayed) |
| [12:38:29] | mzb_d800: | and zoom/stretch/off modes have a combination of problems, usually resulting in a blue bar at the top of the screen |
| [12:38:39] | mzb_d800: | (and still no OSD at bottom of screen) |
| [12:38:50] | mzb_d800: | can anyone suggest a better way of doing this? |
| [12:39:08] | mzb_d800: | (that doesn't involve replacing my 30+ yo TV;) |
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| [12:40:57] | Kazan: | um |
| [12:41:04] | Kazan: | why the heck would you connect mythtv to a 30 year old tv |
| [12:41:18] | mzb_d800: | because that's what I have (in this room) |
| [12:41:29] | Kazan: | chuck it |
| [12:41:32] | hendrixski: | mzb_d800, did they even have color on TV's 30 years ago? |
| [12:41:36] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [12:41:38] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:41:56] | directhex|work: | hendrixski, only 2 of them, and you were glad to have 'em, dangnabbit! |
| [12:42:23] | mzb_d800: | my Dad designed and built the 1st colour TV in the southern hemisphere (afaik), so YES |
| [12:42:26] | hendrixski: | I picked up my TV from the curb... it's probably 5 years old, works fine... mzb_d800 upgrade to a 5 year old TV, people are literally GIVING them away |
| [12:42:36] | mzb_d800: | 69cm? |
| [12:42:57] | Kazan: | 27" for americans |
| [12:43:04] | hendrixski: | if not, then you can buy a used one for under $100 |
| [12:43:06] | mzb_d800: | (with spares, and an old man who is happy to maintain it) |
| [12:43:13] | Kazan: | 27"=dirt cheap |
| [12:43:19] | mzb_d800: | no ... not spending $ ... see ^^^ |
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| [12:43:30] | hendrixski: | although, I guess mzb_d800 has a point: there's sentimental value in it |
| [12:43:36] | Kazan: | if you're not spending $ then why are you making a mythtv box |
| [12:43:48] | mzb_d800: | to get better use out of it |
| [12:43:59] | Kazan: | but that requires spending money |
| [12:44:01] | mzb_d800: | I also have another mythbox in the bedroom |
| [12:44:02] | hendrixski: | Kazan, he may have hardware from 30 years ago too |
| [12:44:22] | Kazan: | and be able to run myth on it :P |
| [12:44:26] | mzb_d800: | I have some *ancient* gear |
| [12:44:35] | Kazan: | 386 isn't yet 30 yrs old |
| [12:44:41] | mzb_d800: | phht |
| [12:44:59] | hendrixski: | yeah, if you run mythtv on just a raw xserver (no WM) then it'll still work really well on old hardware |
| [12:45:10] | mzb_d800: | I'll put this into perspective for you :) |
| [12:45:50] | Kazan: | you can get a 27" trinitron for $60 on ebay |
| [12:45:52] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=10 |
| [12:46:13] | mzb_d800: | Kazan: that's a LOT more than $0 ... next? |
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| [12:47:09] | mzb_d800: | this project *must* be done with the old tv, and *must* be done with the gear I have |
| [12:47:28] | mzb_d800: | so please don't patronise me with advice about replacing gear :) |
| [12:47:44] | mzb_d800: | I'm more than happy to spend time on getting it going ... |
| [12:47:44] | hendrixski: | mzb_d800, your tuner card has a tv out? |
| [12:47:50] | Dagmar: | Kazan: ...and it being eBay, shipping will only cost you $100 or so |
| [12:48:11] | mzb_d800: | nvidia mx400 with composite+svideo |
| [12:48:41] | ** hendrixski knows nothing about hardware and what cards have what ** | |
| [12:49:11] | hendrixski: | it seems to me though that some either tuner cards, or graphic cards will have a cable OUTPUT which you can hook up to a TV... like the old ones that only had cable INPUTS |
| [12:50:01] | mzb_d800: | don't confuse tuner card (input) with video card (output) |
| [12:50:10] | hendrixski: | if you don't have one of those... that would be the only piece of hardware you're missing, and unfortunately, that is more than $0 but it would allow you to keep the old TV, and the rest of the equipent |
| [12:50:19] | mzb_d800: | tuner is irrelevant |
| [12:50:21] | ** hendrixski thinks he saw a tuner card with input and output once ** | |
| [12:50:22] | directhex|work: | it's confusable in the case of things like the pvr-350 which does both |
| [12:50:31] | directhex|work: | or full-feature dvb-s cards |
| [12:50:39] | hendrixski: | directhex|work, that must be the one I was thinking of :-) |
| [12:50:40] | directhex|work: | anyweay, time to move 6 tonnes |
| [12:50:41] | mzb_d800: | which is a dual-function card |
| [12:51:04] | hendrixski: | in any case... all you need is the cable output, right? |
| [12:51:09] | mzb_d800: | I'm talking about an nvidia card with tv-out, right? |
| [12:51:23] | mzb_d800: | I already have picture on the screen, ok? |
| [12:51:33] | hendrixski: | and... that doesn't play stuff on the old TV? |
| [12:51:42] | hendrixski: | oh... sorry I didn't see what the orriginal question was :-( |
| [12:52:09] | mzb_d800: | phew ... thought I was missing something obvious in my q ;) |
| [12:52:10] | hendrixski: | oh.. it already works but you want to make the picture look better? |
| [12:52:26] | mzb_d800: | position/size is wrong (short story) |
| [12:52:40] | mzb_d800: | maybe I should wait for some old blokes to come into # ;) |
| [12:52:54] | hendrixski: | oh... hhmmm. yeah, the old blokes would probably know better |
| [12:52:55] | Dagmar: | Are you using an s-video output, or one of the older cards that only has composite out? |
| [12:52:57] | mzb_d800: | (you all sound too young to remember what analog tv is;)) |
| [12:53:00] | hendrixski: | my guesses would probably be as good as yours |
| [12:53:02] | mzb_d800: | composite |
| [12:53:11] | Dagmar: | Okay, so you're using the nvtv driver for that then, yes? |
| [12:53:15] | ** hendrixski goes to get a snack ** | |
| [12:53:16] | Dagmar: | It's options are the only options you have |
| [12:53:20] | mzb_d800: | nvidia + nvtv |
| [12:54:04] | mzb_d800: | (only using nvtv for the "Huge" overscan mode) |
| [12:54:24] | mzb_d800: | ok, let me ask it a different way |
| [12:54:45] | zo0m: | why not use nv driver and set overscan? isnt nvtv the really old way? |
| [12:55:17] | mzb_d800: | the nvidia overscan is not "big" enough, or adjustable |
| [12:55:23] | mzb_d800: | (x vs y) |
| [12:55:30] | mzb_d800: | is there a way of running an additional command prior to changing video modes for playback? |
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| [12:56:13] | mzb_d800: | eg. if I have 800x600 for the gui, but 640x480 for playback, is there a way that I can run a command before playback starts (eg. nvtv) |
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| [12:57:31] | mzb_d800: | tbh, the chrontel chip seems to create an additional problem here, in that I can't just "Create a Modeline" and enable overscan ... the tv-out function doesn't work that way |
| [12:57:51] | mikeones: | what do people here use for there storage? A nas, a usd storage device, firewire? I am looking for ideas on what to use. |
| [12:58:28] | zo0m: | i use raid5 in my masterbackend and the slaves nfs mount and record/read from it |
| [12:58:44] | zo0m: | hardware, sata2, xfs for the fs |
| [12:58:45] | mzb_d800: | I'm reasonably sure that I'm limited to using nvtv to fine tune the modes, but from what I can see at this stage, mythtv doesn't make it easy for me to fine-tune modes |
| [12:59:06] | GreyFoxx: | myth hsa nothing to do with your X modes at all |
| [12:59:10] | zo0m: | because mythtv itself shouldnt be responsible for your modes |
| [12:59:44] | mzb_d800: | fair enough ... but imo it should allow me to do so |
| [12:59:44] | GreyFoxx: | MilkBoy: Do the same as zo0m for recordings |
| [13:00:07] | GreyFoxx: | and asecond raid5 set on my slave which houses videos for mythvideo and music/phots etc |
| [13:00:33] | GreyFoxx: | mzb_d800: why? Why would you expect an application to control X's videomode/interactive with your video card ? |
| [13:01:00] | mzb_d800: | I don't think that's what I asked |
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| [13:01:31] | mzb_d800: | I want to run a command (nvtv) when mythfrontend wants to change to another mode |
| [13:02:03] | GreyFoxx: | Myth only changes modes if you compile in xrandr support, plus configure myth to change resolutions for playback and such |
| [13:02:15] | mzb_d800: | done |
| [13:02:21] | GreyFoxx: | which fw people use |
| [13:03:27] | GreyFoxx: | One thing I do run into is when using mythgame to call a game or emulator that sometimes the mode/overscan isn't reset when the program exits. so I wrap it in a shellscript to reset those |
| [13:03:39] | mzb_d800: | I have been attempting to use 800x600 for gui, and 640x480 for playback, but as I use nvtv to set overscan before gui starts, mythfrontend's request to change to 640x480 screws the output |
| [13:04:11] | mzb_d800: | ok ... that approach might help if the playback wasn't handled internally |
| [13:04:31] | zo0m: | perhaps for a workaround you could record in 800x600? |
| [13:04:37] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [13:04:39] | zo0m: | or playback rather |
| [13:04:46] | GreyFoxx: | myth uses standard xrandr calls. It's too bad you can't use the nvidia control tool so that your nvtv changes are right in the driver themselves |
| [13:05:08] | mzb_d800: | playback in 800x600 isn't right because of the adjustments I've made to the gui (to look right) |
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| [13:05:36] | Zathraz: | Hi. When having mythfrontend and mythbackend on 1 machine and running a remote X session with another mythfrontend (on the same account/login as the first): If I change a (sound)setting, will I have to restart both mythfrontends or will reselecting TV viewing on the first mythfrontend automatically take the new config as changed with the second mythfrontend? |
| [13:05:38] | zo0m: | if you've had to change alot of stuff, and you have that overscan problem, are you sure your modelines in your x config are correct for your display? |
| [13:05:38] | GreyFoxx: | mzb_d800: You can adjust the gui display and not have it affect playback |
| [13:05:46] | mzb_d800: | hmmm ... maybe I should just disable xrandr support and stick with 800x600 for both |
| [13:06:27] | mzb_d800: | zo0m: this is chrontel TV out ... modelines have no effect |
| [13:06:41] | zo0m: | never heard of it, have to take your word |
| [13:06:49] | zo0m: | that really blows |
| [13:06:51] | mzb_d800: | GreyFoxx: yes, I've seen that ... doesn't work |
| [13:07:21] | GreyFoxx: | mzb_d800: I've never seen it not work |
| [13:07:44] | GreyFoxx: | and infact I have my gui sizes tweaked to all fit onscreen while leaving my playback set to fullscreen |
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| [13:07:50] | mzb_d800: | there are two options which relate to this: |
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| [13:08:18] | mzb_d800: | "Use GUI size for TV playback" |
| [13:08:19] | mzb_d800: | and |
| [13:08:49] | mzb_d800: | "Seperate video modes for GUI and TV playback" |
| [13:09:03] | zo0m: | i also play my video fullscreen, but its my setup is currently easy. no hdtv involved. i got a free cable company dvr to do hd recording so i just use myth for sd. so i havent dealt with the hd funness |
| [13:09:14] | zo0m: | my hdhomerun got 6 channels so i didnt pursue it :) |
| [13:10:26] | mzb_d800: | atm: I have #1 enabled, and #2 disabled ... I've also adjusted GUI width/height/offsets (due to huge overscan) |
| [13:10:55] | rhys: | Hi can anyone help me? I'm having difficulty writing a custom job to re-encode recorded mpg files to avi. |
| [13:11:11] | zo0m: | nvidia 6200's, have a little overscan set on 1 tv and none on the other but i display at 800x600 and record everything in 720x480 so i can burn to dvd easily heh |
| [13:11:16] | zo0m: | and just dispay fullscrene |
| [13:11:59] | mzb_d800: | I am watching (as test) Futurama recorded earlier tonight on the other mythbox using a DVB USB tuner |
| [13:12:14] | zo0m: | dvb eh |
| [13:12:42] | mzb_d800: | (btw: this box is an overclocked p3–650, the one with the DVB tuner is a p3–866 ... and before you ask (or laugh) YES they both work!) |
| [13:13:00] | mzb_d800: | ie: it's mpeg2 |
| [13:13:04] | mzb_d800: | (iirc) |
| [13:14:05] | zo0m: | heh nice |
| [13:14:14] | zo0m: | my slowest one is a athon tbird 1.4ghz |
| [13:14:48] | zo0m: | but if you count the thinkpad 600x the girlfriend uses, thats the slowest ;) |
| [13:14:51] | zo0m: | p3 450 hehe |
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| [13:14:59] | mzb_d800: | the 866 is actually a SFF gx150, and the p3–650 is made out of scrap |
| [13:15:33] | zo0m: | my master backend raised the electric bill 30$ a month |
| [13:15:39] | mzb_d800: | heh:) |
| [13:15:43] | zo0m: | but i use it for alot stuff |
| [13:16:23] | mzb_d800: | this is an OLD version of what I'd planned to use as a master: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . _itemId=2520 |
| [13:16:42] | mzb_d800: | what stopped me is the distance from the aerial splitter |
| [13:17:01] | mzb_d800: | I have a single digital aerial made from wood and coat-hangers |
| [13:17:19] | mzb_d800: | (oh ... and magic au$2.00 black spray paint;) |
| [13:17:43] | mzb_d800: | signal strength on all channels is never below 99% |
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| [13:18:50] | mzb_d800: | so instead, I bought a $15 USB2 card, cut it in half with a hacksaw, and slapped it into the gx150 ;) |
| [13:18:51] | zo0m: | ota i get 6 channels |
| [13:18:57] | zo0m: | its awesome. |
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| [13:19:09] | mzb_d800: | (half height USB2 are $30 +post;) |
| [13:19:15] | zo0m: | you guys have it so easy |
| [13:19:23] | zo0m: | usa sucks |
| [13:19:36] | mzb_d800: | also got the DVB tuner for au$20 (delivered) ;) |
| [13:19:41] | mzb_d800: | nah |
| [13:19:50] | mzb_d800: | ebay wins (with patience) |
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| [13:21:53] | mzb_d800: | ah well ... looks like I'll just have to keep plugging away ... woman has summoned me for our weekly tv show (stargate;) |
| [13:22:02] | mzb_d800: | thanks to all for your suggestions |
| [13:24:04] | mzb_d800: | ps: some have called .au the "arse-end of the world" |
| [13:24:27] | mzb_d800: | that makes Tasmania the pimple on the arse-end ;) |
| [13:24:48] | mzb_d800: | and it's NOT the easiest place to get new/cheap technology ;) |
| [13:24:52] | mzb_d800: | gnite! |
| [13:28:59] | juski: | heh I remember having to dash back to the TV because some $show was about to come on |
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| [13:31:13] | rooaus: | mzb_d800: Or cheap internet, will be good to see the Bass link lit up. |
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| [13:55:36] | directhex|work: | article is now live! http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005 |
| [13:57:02] | |Torg|: | directhex did you write that? |
| [13:58:25] | directhex|work: | aye |
| [13:58:33] | |Torg|: | are you Catholic? |
| [13:58:43] | directhex|work: | nay |
| [13:58:48] | directhex|work: | just cultured |
| [13:58:54] | |Torg|: | im just wondering, based upon the title of it |
| [14:01:28] | |Torg|: | its interesting but what was your intent in writing it? |
| [14:03:26] | directhex|work: | repaying a debt! |
| [14:03:52] | directhex|work: | that & shifting my focus on evangelizing linux to the crowd i hang around with online (the pc hardware enthusiast) |
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| [14:04:42] | jams: | anybody here running svn trunk, and could run a mysql query for me? |
| [14:04:57] | |Torg|: | then its very good, its somewhat debian/gnome specifc and makes some assumtions based upong differing standard pratcies (then again who can say whats standard) |
| [14:05:36] | |Torg|: | what do you need james? |
| [14:06:03] | jams: | select distinct hostname from settings; |
| [14:06:11] | jams: | do you have CPU+ as a hostname? |
| [14:06:12] | GreyFoxx: | jams: normally I would but I had a switch die thismorning so I can't reach any of my myth stuff right now :) |
| [14:06:33] | GreyFoxx: | doh |
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| [14:06:58] | |Torg|: | yes jams, one of the records let me check |
| [14:07:15] | jams: | GreyFoxx- home switch? |
| [14:08:00] | |Torg|: | DefaultVideoPlaybackProfile is set to CPU+ for what I think may be my desktop box |
| [14:08:01] | janneg: | jams: I have 'CPU+' and 'ati' |
| [14:08:04] | GreyFoxx: | yeah I have 3 in use, and the uplink from my mythboxes switch (all on their own switch) died this morning |
| [14:08:12] | |Torg|: | looks reversed, is that what you wanted jams? |
| [14:08:14] | jams: | http://paste.bigbudden.com/view.php?id=5855 |
| [14:08:26] | GreyFoxx: | So the mythboxes can see each other, bvut nothing else |
| [14:08:35] | jams: | yeah it does look reversed. Just checking it happened on all my boxes that i updated |
| [14:09:16] | |Torg|: | it even worse on mine |
| [14:09:40] | jams: | wonder if thats intentional. |
| [14:09:53] | janneg: | I doubt that |
| [14:09:56] | |Torg|: | it is functional, but I also hav duplication in my database |
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| [14:10:19] | |Torg|: | im constanly figting duplicate and orphjaned records in myth |
| [14:10:23] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, it's entirely gnome specific, but it's not a high-level document. it's a practical guide. it's not feasible to write instructions for every major distro out there. i also only mentioon one windows version, to save time, too |
| [14:10:53] | |Torg|: | yes directhex its why I said as an promotional document it is very good |
| [14:10:58] | jams: | janneg, i doubt it as well. However i have seen stranger stuff with myth in the past. |
| [14:12:08] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, part of my aim when writing it was never to need a terminal window. if not for a (now fixed) ubuntu bug, it would have worked. |
| [14:12:34] | |Torg|: | directhex what bug? |
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| [14:13:22] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, mythtv-setup doesn't spawn inside a terminal in <0.20.2–0ubuntu8 |
| [14:13:28] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, which means you can't config xmltv |
| [14:13:33] | edistar_: | hello! can you recommend to me a DVB-S card? best would be if I can record one station and watch another with one card |
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| [14:13:58] | janneg: | jams: Daniel reversed the arguments in SaveSettingOnHost call |
| [14:13:59] | |Torg|: | directhex ouch, does it not set DISPLAY correctly? |
| [14:14:17] | fryfrog: | Are there any dual tuner DVB-S cards? |
| [14:14:28] | |Torg|: | yes fryfro all use the cx88 chip tho |
| [14:14:29] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, no, xmltv configuration is done in the parent terminal to mythtv-setup. no terminal, no parent terminal, no xmltv config |
| [14:14:35] | |Torg|: | id love to find one that dosnt use cx88 |
| [14:14:37] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: is that bad? |
| [14:14:52] | |Torg|: | my cx88 cards overheat then shutdown |
| [14:14:59] | jams: | janneg, should i file a bug? or maybe you will just fix it real quick =) |
| [14:14:59] | |Torg|: | it coredumps mythbackend |
| [14:15:00] | ** janneg wonders if he should write a cleanup dbcheck ** | |
| [14:15:18] | janneg: | jams: the error is fixed |
| [14:15:30] | jams: | thanks |
| [14:15:45] | edistar_: | noone here using DVB-S? |
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| [14:16:06] | |Torg|: | edistar_: I take it you didnt see wherr I said MY cx88's overheat |
| [14:16:17] | edistar_: | |Torg|: sry, no |
| [14:16:52] | edistar_: | don't eben know what cx88's are |
| [14:17:27] | |Torg|: | its a class of Conexant chip |
| [14:17:31] | directhex|work: | connexant cx2388? chi |
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| [14:17:59] | |Torg|: | judging by how many cards use it, it would tend to make me think its the ONLY chip they have. but I know better |
| [14:18:05] | edistar_: | can you advise a specific card then please? been googling for ages |
| [14:18:16] | edistar_: | connexant cx2388 is a card? |
| [14:18:22] | |Torg|: | its a chip |
| [14:18:26] | directhex|work: | connexant cx2388? is a chip |
| [14:18:26] | edistar_: | hm, ok |
| [14:18:45] | directhex|work: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_PCI_Cards |
| [14:19:17] | Zathraz__: | Hi. When having mythfrontend and mythbackend on 1 machine and running a remote X session with another mythfrontend (on the same account/login as the first): If I change a (sound)setting, will I have to restart both mythfrontends or will reselecting TV viewing on the first mythfrontend automatically take the new config as changed with the second mythfrontend? |
| [14:19:27] | directhex|work: | specifically http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_PCI_C . . . Budget_Cards |
| [14:20:11] | edistar_: | but can anyone recommend one of them? I was looking at the hauppauges but I can't see anywhere where it says that they are dual tuner or not |
| [14:21:03] | |Torg|: | there are a few dual tuiner cards, but I havnt seen them on v4l |
| [14:21:22] | edistar_: | ok |
| [14:21:28] | edistar_: | |Torg|: you said you had one? |
| [14:21:36] | |Torg|: | two, yes |
| [14:21:50] | edistar_: | |Torg|: complicated to install? |
| [14:21:58] | |Torg|: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-S-Plus |
| [14:22:11] | |Torg|: | depends on how competent you are with a screwdriver |
| [14:22:24] | edistar_: | I meant to configure |
| [14:22:41] | |Torg|: | depends on how compitent you are with modules and modprobe |
| [14:23:09] | edistar_: | |Torg|: not very, are there out-of-the-box cards? I suppose not |
| [14:24:01] | |Torg|: | depends on kernel version |
| [14:24:02] | directhex|work: | most of the single-tuner cards should justwork |
| [14:24:23] | edistar_: | |Torg|: 2.6.21 |
| [14:24:35] | |Torg|: | yes it should work if yu just plug the thing in |
| [14:24:46] | edistar_: | ok |
| [14:27:31] | |Torg|: | you did note where I said they overheat and shutdown, right? |
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| [14:38:22] | edistar_: | |Torg|: all of them? |
| [14:39:08] | |Torg|: | all of what? |
| [14:39:10] | meshugga: | anyone has a hint how i can create a modeline for using a 800x450 resolution on my projector? |
| [14:39:46] | sebrock: | hm, cant get my .htaccess to work with mythweb |
| [14:40:56] | sebrock: | how can I check which user is running apache2? |
| [14:41:05] | sebrock: | it's all owned by root |
| [14:41:37] | edistar_: | |Torg|: all of them cards ;) |
| [14:42:04] | sebrock: | anyone knows this? |
| [14:42:29] | Dagmar: | ps -ef | grep processname |
| [14:42:31] | |Torg|: | edistar_: I dont know, all I do know is my card shut down because of heat at very inopotun times |
| [14:42:43] | edistar_: | |Torg|: I can imagine |
| [14:42:53] | |Torg|: | sebrock: ps will tell you, its a basic, VERY basic, linux command |
| [14:43:34] | Dagmar: | ...or ps -C httpd -o uid= |
| [14:43:37] | Dagmar: | Or read the man page |
| [14:43:58] | Dagmar: | That last invocation is probably more than 2/3 of this channel knows |
| [14:44:36] | sebrock: | Torg you are right... I'm just slow |
| [14:47:26] | sebrock: | seems apache2 is running by root then |
| [14:47:30] | sebrock: | cant figure this out |
| [14:48:17] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: What's the – doing in your ps command? |
| [14:48:18] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [14:48:49] | |Torg|: | sebrock: its in your apache2.conf |
| [14:49:24] | |Torg|: | Dibblah: its solaris, I do it too |
| [14:49:29] | sebrock: | Torg what is? |
| [14:49:36] | sebrock: | running user? |
| [14:49:36] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
| [14:49:58] | |Torg|: | root@jachin:/etc/apache2# grep User apache2.conf |
| [14:49:58] | |Torg|: | User www-data |
| [14:50:47] | |Torg|: | Dibblah: in fact I cant type ps without -ef, same as ls without -la |
| [14:52:46] | sebrock: | still no authentication |
| [15:00:52] | edistar_: | is 100mbit enough to stream from a mythtvserver to a client? |
| [15:01:41] | GreyFoxx: | easily |
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| [15:02:05] | GreyFoxx: | your average standard definition receording is only 2–4megabit |
| [15:02:12] | GreyFoxx: | and hd is maximum 19mbit |
| [15:02:30] | directhex|work: | nah, hd goes higher than 19 |
| [15:03:20] | GreyFoxx: | according to spec it's 19megabit or close to it |
| [15:03:23] | directhex|work: | 22mbit for premiere hd |
| [15:03:24] | GreyFoxx: | compressed that is |
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| [15:04:06] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh sorry, backing up here. It's 24mb |
| [15:04:23] | GreyFoxx: | 19 was the highest we had ever seen in the wild when we did tests |
| [15:04:23] | directhex|work: | that's better! |
| [15:04:26] | GreyFoxx: | but spec ix 24 |
| [15:04:40] | directhex|work: | anyway, my article is up so woo \o/ |
| [15:05:27] | janneg: | directhex|work: that's not true anymore. average is 13 mbit with spike to 20mbit |
| [15:05:47] | |Torg|: | GreyFoxx: are you sure about the max for HD? |
| [15:05:51] | directhex|work: | janneg, is 20 > 19? |
| [15:06:09] | |Torg|: | VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 65000.0 kbps (8125.0 kbyte/s) |
| [15:06:16] | |Torg|: | thats about 63mbit |
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| [15:09:03] | janneg: | directhex|work: depends on the buffer/average size/time |
| [15:12:01] | Dagmar: | 3... N... F.... |
| [15:12:21] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, someone been designing databases in your general viciniity? |
| [15:12:28] | Dagmar: | Nope |
| [15:12:38] | Dagmar: | I'm just dropping a tiny seed and hoping it spreads. |
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| [15:14:13] | directhex|work: | Dagmar, third normal form? it'll never catch on |
| [15:14:48] | Dagmar: | Eventually it will. |
| [15:14:50] | Dagmar: | I've done it before. |
| [15:16:08] | |Torg|: | Dagmar: are you talking about fairy tales? |
| [15:18:05] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, mythology! |
| [15:19:22] | Dagmar: | I'm talking about the only real way to keep people from shoving weird shit into your tables in a multi-user devel environment |
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| [15:19:43] | Dagmar: | Tokenize everything and then their crazy text fields can't be stored in your tables |
| [15:19:44] | |Torg|: | sorry I was thinking nominal form vs first person |
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| [15:20:48] | directhex|work: | yes, that would be rather neat |
| [15:20:53] | directhex|work: | gah, EWINDOW |
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| [15:33:14] | loops: | grrrrr... what key clears all cut points when editing? it's bloody irritating to edit an entire movie and then hit some unknown key and lose all the edits..... |
| [15:34:22] | sebrock: | is certain permissions needed for .htaccess to work on mythweb? |
| [15:34:39] | |Torg|: | loops go find keys.txt on your box |
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| [15:35:18] | sebrock: | ? |
| [15:35:31] | loops: | |Torg|, yeah.. i just did.. Myth is a great program but it sure has a few annoying little gotchyas |
| [15:35:54] | loops: | it just shouldn't be that easy to lose all edits with no way to recover |
| [15:36:30] | |Torg|: | just hit z again |
| [15:37:00] | loops: | that doesn't restore any manual edits |
| [15:37:13] | |Torg|: | those are two seperate lists |
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| [15:38:30] | loops: | it's not the end of the world, but it sucks to lose 20 minutes worth of editing because of one errant keystroke |
| [15:38:46] | |Torg|: | then pay attention to what your doing |
| [15:38:51] | loops: | shut up |
| [15:39:05] | |Torg|: | if you want training wheels use Windows |
| [15:39:13] | loops: | yer an idiot |
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| [15:39:23] | loops: | hope yer not one of the programmers |
| [15:40:35] | |Torg|: | lets see now, you start by asking questions that is plainly in the documentation |
| [15:40:58] | |Torg|: | then you complain about myour lack of ability to reconise two keys that are at least 2 keys apart on your keyboard |
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| [15:41:05] | |Torg|: | and you call ME the idiot |
| [15:41:22] | |Torg|: | here, is the easier answer for you |
| [15:41:28] | |Torg|: | READ THE FUCKING MANUAL |
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| [15:43:37] | loops: | you are an idiot... and reading the manual doesn't fix the problem... |
| [15:43:49] | loops: | see ya 'tard |
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| [15:51:07] | sphery: | What kind of "additional" data would some people like to see in the backend status page? |
| [15:51:33] | sphery: | I know some like the CPU temp and some wanted to add other sensors data, but can anyone think of something non-sensors related they would like to see? |
| [15:51:41] | jams: | last 5 shows recorded! |
| [15:51:57] | |Torg|: | hddtemp |
| [15:52:20] | |Torg|: | cpu temp for more then just eh master BE |
| [15:52:24] | Ryushin: | Any idea when I try to run configure on the latest svn as of a few minutes ago, I'm getting this error: ./configure: line 1842: syntax error near unexpected token `<<<' |
| [15:52:33] | sphery: | (I've removed the sensors dependency and made a capability to add miscellaneous status info from a user-specified script and am trying to create example scripts.) |
| [15:52:45] | jams: | Ryushin- looks like a bad merge |
| [15:52:58] | sphery: | |Torg|: already got the example of getting sensors data from remote systems. |
| [15:53:36] | |Torg|: | cool sphery mostly its anecdotal to me, im stil in the habbit of using mrtg for my systems |
| [15:53:41] | Ryushin: | My configure options look like this: http://www.pastebin.ca/725627 |
| [15:54:22] | sphery: | jams: Good idea. I may only show the example of getting title/subtitle of last 5 and leave the DHTML junk as an exercise for the reader (or someone wanting to spend the time patching my example script. :) |
| [15:54:55] | ** sphery hates JavaScript (even copy/paste JavaScript) ** | |
| [15:55:05] | jams: | don't blame ya |
| [15:55:26] | sphery: | What other stuff do you get from mrtg, |Torg|? Is it all sensors data? |
| [15:55:40] | jams: | i could without all the sensor crap, as it has nothing todo with mybhbackend. But to each their own. |
| [15:55:43] | sphery: | I think the sensors example is a good start. |
| [15:55:54] | |Torg|: | uptime on the routers and switched, thoughgput and thhrew in temps just becae I could :) |
| [15:55:55] | janneg: | Ryushin: it's an error in your configure script probably caused by a conflict |
| [15:56:34] | sphery: | Hmmm. uptime is easy. Don't know how to get at throughput in a nice sh-friendly way. |
| [15:56:40] | |Torg|: | sphery: do you intend to implnt SMTP into it? |
| [15:56:52] | |Torg|: | err SNMP |
| [15:57:03] | sphery: | It's completely outside of Myth. |
| [15:57:13] | |Torg|: | well thats how I get thgouhput |
| [15:57:15] | sphery: | Myth calls a script or program that provides output in a specific format. |
| [15:57:24] | |Torg|: | yes I know, its why I ased :) |
| [15:58:09] | sphery: | So, it could easily be done, but I don't use SNMP (though I think I installed some support for it), so I guess I'll leave creation of that example script to someone else. :) |
| [15:58:16] | |Torg|: | also remote sensor data would be somewhat problematic unless you wanted some daemon to collect it for you |
| [15:58:51] | sphery: | In example I have: ssh -q slave sensors | awk '/CPU Temp/ { printf "Current CPU Temperature (slave): %s ℃.[]:[]temperature-CPU-slave[]:[]%s\n", $3, $3 };' |
| [15:58:52] | |Torg|: | I can do SNMP in php, but I suck at javascript |
| [15:59:03] | sphery: | and recommend an appropriate auth method (i.e. SSH cert) |
| [15:59:10] | |Torg|: | yes sphery assuim g they use null hostkeys |
| [15:59:37] | sphery: | The daemon-based approach would work, too, but is a little much for a contrib example. |
| [15:59:41] | sphery: | :) |
| [15:59:58] | |Torg|: | snmp_set_valueretrievl(0); |
| [16:00:06] | |Torg|: | $mac = snmpget("192.168.0.1",'public',".1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.6.x"); |
| [16:00:08] | |Torg|: | snmp_set_valueretrievl(1); |
| [16:00:11] | ** janneg exports all sort of backend stuff to munin ** | |
| [16:00:13] | |Torg|: | print $mac |
| [16:00:30] | |Torg|: | you would have to know al the OIDs before hand tho |
| [16:01:09] | |Torg|: | sorry snmp_set_valueretrival, with an a |
| [16:01:34] | sphery: | Cool. If my patch is accepted, feel free to post an example script for inclusion in contrib/misc_status_info. |
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| [16:02:10] | Ryushin: | janneg: My configure script has worked fine for the last 2 years. What has changed that could be causing a problem. |
| [16:02:10] | |Torg|: | sure but would you really want to clutter up myth status with external things like router interfaces? |
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| [16:02:58] | sphery: | I don't. That's actually why I created the patch. For me, MiscStatusScript=''. :) |
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| [16:03:17] | sphery: | Takes out the annoying CPU temp (which really isn't a Myth status thing). |
| [16:04:00] | janneg: | Ryushin: you might had a local modification which caused a conflict. just use svn diff configure |
| [16:04:14] | sphery: | I think I'll just leave it at a couple of scripts (sensors data and possibly last-5 recordings) and let it build from there. |
| [16:04:46] | |Torg|: | but I do like the javascript popups on mouseover |
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| [16:05:12] | |Torg|: | like jams said add last 10 recorded+ mouseover java |
| [16:05:50] | sphery: | I also put a 10s timeout on it (IMHO, more than 10s is too long to wait for a status page), so the daemon-based approach may be required if people do a lot of and/or "complex" things. |
| [16:06:16] | sphery: | mouseover... I'll consider it. |
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| [16:06:51] | sphery: | If nothing else, I'll probably have a starting point for someone to add mouseover. :) |
| [16:06:51] | Ryushin: | janneg: thanks. Used the configure from monday and that works fine. |
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| [16:16:57] | janneg: | Ryushin: the configure from today works also fine |
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| [16:19:04] | Ryushin: | Hmmm.... okay. |
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| [16:25:07] | |Torg|: | Ryushin: sorry I was on the phone. I just svnd the lastest trunk code at 14609, used your options, and it worked. Other then the processor options which I have differnt |
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| [16:28:41] | Ryushin: | I posted a question about h.264 support in mythtv a couple of days ago. Only problem is, I got called away and went back to read some of the responses. I guess ffmpeg now supports multi-threaded playback so it can use smp and dual core cpu's. But mythtv will have to wait for a ffmpeg merge to get this new support. Is this all correct> |
| [16:29:05] | |Torg|: | yes but it will play 264 to some extent currently |
| [16:29:32] | sphery: | And there's a good chance Myth's ffmpeg libs will be updated soon in Trunk. |
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| [16:31:36] | Ryushin: | That sounds like good news. Any idea when transcoding will support h.264 in addition to mpeg2 and mpeg4? |
| [16:31:56] | |Torg|: | you can do that now with external scripts |
| [16:32:56] | |Torg|: | and AFAIK mpeg4 is h264 |
| [16:33:02] | Ryushin: | I remember reading that. But from what I understand, the scripts have to update the database and such, and things like mythweb won't show how far it's completed. |
| [16:34:09] | |Torg|: | they dont HAVE to update the database, just not error out for condition |
| [16:34:15] | Ryushin: | Well, I thought divx, xvid, h264 are all part of the mpeg4 spec. But h.264 looks much better than either divx or xvid when there is a lot of motion. |
| [16:34:27] | |Torg|: | if your really into transcoding to 264 look up x264-farm |
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| [16:36:56] | Ryushin: | |Torg|: Oh man, that is really cool. Something that would really be nice to see integrated into myth because of the whole distributed nature of myth. |
| [16:37:17] | |Torg|: | x264 is mpeg4, xvid is one implimentaiton of it |
| [16:38:22] | |Torg|: | in other words all xvid is h264, but not all h264 is xvid |
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| [16:40:15] | Ryushin: | Oh, okay. then why can't xvid look as good as h.264? I've tried a dozen different ways of trying to encode xvid and it doesn't look even close to h264. |
| [16:41:09] | |Torg|: | I dont know enough about the speficis of xvid to be sure, but 264 has many levels at differing quality and bandwidth |
| [16:41:28] | |Torg|: | I would suspect it is more to do with lack of bits then anything else and may simply be common use of xvid |
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| [16:42:32] | |Torg|: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_2 |
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| [16:45:22] | |Torg|: | I know thats mostly true for divx, its not divx that sucks its the common use of divx that does |
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| [16:52:00] | Ryushin: | Well. I set up a 720x480 10 minutes clip of cars in the beginning when they are racing along the track and the camera is moving along the track. I used 3 pass encoding for xvid. I forget the options for h264. The h264 took about 4 times long to complete the same encoding. it was about 30% smaller, but the quality was outstanding. During the racing segment, xvid showed a lot of artifacts and pixelization while h264 showed none. |
| [16:52:00] | Ryushin: | Now h264 need alot more cpu to play it back as well. |
| [16:53:03] | BULLE: | Ryushin: yeah, because h264 uses more advanced compression methods, that divx doesnt use |
| [16:53:20] | BULLE: | Ryushin: enabled things like gmc in the xvid compression ? |
| [16:55:24] | Ryushin: | I think so. It's been a couple of months since I did this. I tried everything I could think of to make divx look as good as h264. Only when I set the bitrate to be a lot higher could I get similar quality and at a much larger file size. |
| [16:55:48] | Ryushin: | So that is why I'm a bit excited to see h.264 to be a native option for transcoding. |
| [16:56:59] | BULLE: | Ryushin: last time i looked, myth didnt support xvid with gmc encoding etc |
| [16:57:03] | BULLE: | but that was some time ago |
| [16:57:17] | BULLE: | i wouldnt be suprised if gmc is one thing that gains you quite a lot in a situation like this |
| [16:59:27] | Ryushin: | I wonder if I should ask the dev list if gmc is supported in mpeg4 transcoding. |
| [17:00:03] | BULLE: | i guess you might even ask in #mythtv |
| [17:00:13] | BULLE: | should atleast be somewhat on topic there |
| [17:00:16] | BULLE: | but what do i know |
| [17:01:01] | sphery: | Anyone know how to terminate a loop in Perl? |
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| [17:02:16] | loops: | sphery, "last" |
| [17:02:18] | Ryushin: | I would think that would be the case. But I know the developers don't like to be bothered except for stuff that is going on with development. |
| [17:02:31] | Ryushin: | Maybe one of the developers that are on this list will ask the question of them. |
| [17:02:33] | sphery: | loops: thx |
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| [17:43:15] | sphery: | jams: Example has your mouseover support. Turns out all I needed to do was use the expected CSS, so I didn't even have to look at JavaScript. |
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| [18:17:33] | sphery: | jams: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/Miscellan . . . cordings.png |
| [18:19:29] | psymin: | sphery, is that not overlib? |
| [18:19:55] | sphery: | overlib? |
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| [18:20:59] | psymin: | quick and easy way to do do mouseover (javascript though) |
| [18:22:06] | sphery: | It's whatever was used by Myth's backend status page ( http://hostname:6544/ , also available as "Backend Status" from MythWeb). |
| [18:22:18] | sphery: | I just put the right HTML/CSS on the page and the rest happened. |
| [18:22:46] | sphery: | (status page already had support for it in the "Schedule" section. |
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| [18:33:39] | warrick: | Hello, I am having a hard time with volume being too low on Avermedia A180 |
| [18:34:12] | warrick: | I have to turn volume to its highest |
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| [18:37:16] | GreyFoxx: | warrick: analog recordings or digital ? |
| [18:37:24] | warrick: | GreyFoxx, digital |
| [18:37:44] | GreyFoxx: | you have no control on the incoming volume in a digital transmission |
| [18:37:44] | warrick: | actualy I'm not sure, it's HD from analog I think |
| [18:37:49] | GreyFoxx: | just how loud you play it back |
| [18:38:00] | warrick: | ATSC or whatever |
| [18:38:04] | GreyFoxx: | That's digital |
| [18:38:09] | warrick: | oh ok |
| [18:38:13] | GreyFoxx: | you have no control over that volume |
| [18:38:30] | warrick: | In windows I can get it loud by doing something with AC3Filter |
| [18:38:31] | GreyFoxx: | I have had a similar issue |
| [18:38:50] | GreyFoxx: | my PVR card recordings were MUCH louder than dvb/firewire |
| [18:39:00] | GreyFoxx: | so I lowered the volume of my PVR card and now they all match |
| [18:39:41] | warrick: | how does AC3Filter work to increase the volume though... |
| [18:39:43] | sphery: | I have a problem where the FOX recordings are much louder than the CBS recordings, etc... |
| [18:39:59] | sphery: | Unfortunately, that's harder to fix--but the volume buttons are always close by. ;) |
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| [18:41:18] | warrick: | does "enable AC3 to SPDIF passthrough" do anything differently? |
| [18:41:54] | GreyFoxx: | I'm glad I lowered the pvr cards tpo match. It was almost deafening to go from a DVB recording with the output volume turned up to a PVR card |
| [18:43:04] | sphery: | warrick: AC3Filter probably uses a trick inside of AC-3 to "change" the volume by changing the range. You don't get the "full" effect of the audio that way, but some like to use it (i.e. for playback at night when they don't want to wake family members). |
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| [18:44:00] | warrick: | yeah... all I have to do in AC3Filter is uncheck the Normalize Volume button |
| [18:44:01] | sphery: | In general, the right approach for changing the volume is to use the receiver/decoder to do it. If you're not using passthrough (the checkbox you just found), Myth is your decoder, so you'd hit the volume up... :) |
| [18:45:19] | sphery: | Oh. Then AC3Filter is "reducing" the volume when you select Normalize. Not normalized would be "as the artist intended." :) |
| [18:45:51] | sphery: | warrick: If you're using passthrough, you have to have an A/V receiver to decode the AC-3 for you. |
| [18:46:01] | jams: | sphery- looks good |
| [18:46:24] | jams: | can't tell you how many times i have looked at taht page attempting to see if a show recorded or not |
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| [18:46:51] | sphery: | jams: thx. while I was at it, I included an option in the script to output in plain text format (so the script could be called to create output for inclusion in an e-mail notification or something). |
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| [18:47:53] | sphery: | Anyway, thanks for the idea. I figured I'd never use the new functionality I put in (and it would just be a way to remove the libsensors dependency that I dislike), but I think I'll actually use the recent_recordings.pl script. |
| [18:48:10] | jams: | hehe |
| [18:48:19] | ** sphery wonders if he should call it myth_recent_recordings.pl to fit with the other contrib scripts... ** | |
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| [19:22:05] | |Torg|: | sphery: where is that status page template stored? |
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| [19:24:51] | sphery: | |Torg|: httpstatus.cpp outputs the HTML page based on an XML document (also created by httpstatus.cpp) |
| [19:25:06] | RyanH: | will altering the channel numbers break schedules direct OR EIT? |
| [19:25:09] | |Torg|: | thanks I was just looking thuogh that, I thgout maybe it was a nice xml file I could edit |
| [19:25:17] | |Torg|: | but it looks like ill have to recompile it |
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| [19:25:37] | RyanH: | I have a bunch of duplicate channel numbers from different sources, and I want to make them all uniqe... but I dont want to break the schedule data |
| [19:26:10] | sphery: | |Torg|: yep. It's not just an XSLT transform, or anything. (though I'm sure patches would be accepted ;) |
| [19:26:25] | sphery: | RyanH: you can change channel number. |
| [19:26:37] | sphery: | Ideally all channel numbers will be unique across the system |
| [19:27:05] | |Torg|: | chanid is set by a standard but can be anything, channel number is a human needed field |
| [19:27:07] | sphery: | The /only/ purpose of channel number in Myth is to allow you to specify which channel you want to watch during LiveTV. It's not used for scheduling or data or ... |
| [19:27:13] | |Torg|: | xmltvid is how DD/SD gets guide info |
| [19:27:30] | |Torg|: | mplex/subchannel is how EIT gets it |
| [19:27:43] | sphery: | Yeah. Don't mess with chanid and only change xmltvid if it's blank (and you know the right one to use) |
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| [19:28:34] | |Torg|: | chanid is GENERALLY card*1000+channel*10+subchannel |
| [19:29:03] | |Torg|: | sorry EIT is mplexid/service id |
| [19:29:19] | RyanH: | cool |
| [19:29:31] | |Torg|: | you can call your chanum, callsign and name whaever you please |
| [19:30:06] | RyanH: | awesome |
| [19:30:09] | RyanH: | this makes me happy |
| [19:31:04] | sphery: | Yeah, so if your cable company does something stupid like gives Fox 35 channel number 2, you can make it 35... :) |
| [19:31:29] | sphery: | RyanH: Also, don't mess with freqid. |
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| [19:31:42] | sphery: | That's used to tune analog channels. |
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| [19:32:07] | |Torg|: | sorry RyanH, sphery is correct. I assumed since you were talking about EIT you were using DVB |
| [19:32:39] | RyanH: | I am |
| [19:33:01] | RyanH: | along with hauppage cards |
| [19:33:14] | |Torg|: | dvb-s? svb-t? |
| [19:33:18] | RyanH: | dvb-s |
| [19:33:18] | |Torg|: | err dvb-t |
| [19:33:27] | |Torg|: | then frequid is ignored |
| [19:34:06] | RyanH: | on that tuner I presume |
| [19:34:27] | |Torg|: | on dvb cards frequency is in the mplex |
| [19:35:04] | |Torg|: | I dunno about analog tho< i dont have any analog tuners |
| [19:35:46] | RyanH: | so the next question is... can I set the channum to auto increment, or would that break stuff? |
| [19:36:29] | |Torg|: | if you plan on adding channels via the channel scanner later, use the convention I told you about |
| [19:36:37] | |Torg|: | do not modify mysql to conform tho |
| [19:37:50] | |Torg|: | if your cable provier calls fox 35 chanel two and its on the first card its chanid is 1021 |
| [19:38:18] | |Torg|: | make it s channum whatever you please, probbly 35 or more precise 35_1 |
| [19:38:33] | RyanH: | Personally I could care less about the actual number |
| [19:38:34] | RyanH: | heh |
| [19:38:43] | |Torg|: | you will when myth adds duplicate records later on |
| [19:38:55] | RyanH: | how do you mean? |
| [19:40:22] | |Torg|: | say I scanned my dvb card and made chanid like 1352 as it was the second channel for fox35 (i dunno mabe a wether cam). but it was on transponder 02 service id 2 |
| [19:40:44] | |Torg|: | if I ran the channel scanner again myth would add channel 1021 and I would have duplicate chanenls in 1021 and 1352 |
| [19:41:04] | |Torg|: | not to mention two setrs of mplexes |
| [19:41:25] | |Torg|: | myth is very good at adding rudundant data, orphaning records, etc |
| [19:41:33] | RyanH: | I am confused... because I thought it wouldn't make a duplicate provided the chanid is already present? |
| [19:42:05] | |Torg|: | if you do not follow mytrh chanid convention, it will add duplicates for whatever you deviated on that convention from |
| [19:42:18] | |Torg|: | that is, *IF* you go scan again |
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| [19:43:41] | RyanH: | So say I take the chanid and copy it to the channum, thereby replacing the channum data with the corresponding chanid data |
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| [19:43:56] | RyanH: | would that create dups if I do a scan later? |
| [19:44:01] | |Torg|: | chanum is irelicant |
| [19:44:18] | RyanH: | ah |
| [19:44:22] | |Torg|: | if you make chanels on your own follow the convention for chanid |
| [19:44:34] | |Torg|: | make channum and name whatever you please |
| [19:44:46] | RyanH: | yeah... all I want to do is make uniqe channums |
| [19:44:54] | |Torg|: | try to make them unique tho,. so mythweb dosnt ignore them as duplicates :) |
| [19:45:06] | RyanH: | which is exactly why I want to do that |
| [19:45:08] | RyanH: | =) |
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| [19:45:47] | RyanH: | whats the easiest way to copy the chanid data into the channum row? |
| [19:46:02] | RyanH: | seems like the best way to have uniqe channels to me |
| [19:46:23] | |Torg|: | update program set channum=chanid |
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| [19:46:34] | |Torg|: | altho chanid is proobly NOT what you know the channels as |
| [19:47:15] | RyanH: | I very rarely watch live tv these days |
| [19:47:26] | |Torg|: | LiveTv is how you test tuners |
| [19:47:54] | RyanH: | yeah... but how often do I need to do that? |
| [19:47:55] | RyanH: | heh |
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| [19:50:58] | RyanH: | I know you set update program, but do I need to do 'update channel set channum=chanid' as well? |
| [19:51:27] | RyanH: | or will the former recurse? |
| [19:52:14] | |Torg|: | that command will set teh channum of EVERY channel to the chanid value, by each row, for each row |
| [19:52:40] | |Torg|: | I suggest you backup the channel table before you go screwing with it, and ESPECAILLY before running sql you dont know what it implictily does |
| [19:52:56] | ** RyanH nods ** | |
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| [19:52:58] | RyanH: | heh |
| [19:53:33] | oobe: | does anyone know about dvb cards |
| [19:53:59] | oobe: | im having a prob getting a fresh install of mythdora to recognise it |
| [19:54:07] | oobe: | i have installed the drivers |
| [19:54:18] | oobe: | and the the devices are there in /dev/dvb |
| [19:54:25] | oobe: | and tzap can get lock |
| [19:54:37] | oobe: | but i cannot open it in myth setup |
| [19:54:51] | oobe: | i tried chmodiing to the dvices to 666 |
| [19:54:53] | juski_: | and you set mythtv-setup to look at a DVB type device right? |
| [19:55:05] | oobe: | yes |
| [19:55:12] | oobe: | of course |
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| [19:55:21] | juski_: | you'd be surprised ;) |
| [19:55:26] | oobe: | lol |
| [19:55:36] | oobe: | no i can get lock with tzap |
| [19:56:01] | oobe: | but cat /dev/dvb/apdater0/dvr0 1.,ts makes a 0 byte file |
| [19:56:12] | oobe: | so it seems its not making any out put |
| [19:56:18] | juski_: | sounds like it's not quite supported then |
| [19:56:35] | juski_: | or maybe the user you run it as isn't a member of the group necessary to read dvr0 |
| [19:56:41] | oobe: | that is true however i have it working perfect under ubuntu |
| [19:56:52] | juski_: | I'd just use ubuntu then :) |
| [19:56:57] | oobe: | lol |
| [19:57:11] | juski_: | not heard any tales of joy with mythdora yet |
| [19:57:20] | oobe: | mythdora seems nice |
| [19:57:32] | oobe: | im having probs with yum already though |
| [19:57:37] | juski_: | seems nice. doesn't seem to work :P |
| [19:57:38] | oobe: | and this dvb card thing |
| [19:57:51] | oobe: | but it configured my remote perfect |
| [19:58:02] | oobe: | wich i havent been able to do in ubuntu |
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| [19:58:09] | RyanH: | what card are you using? |
| [19:58:14] | juski_: | yeah but arguably the most important hardware isn't worky :) |
| [19:58:23] | oobe: | yeah i agree |
| [19:58:32] | oobe: | im using a dvico dual |
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| [19:58:53] | |Torg|: | does tzap report lock? |
| [19:58:53] | juski_: | maybe mythdora's kernel isn't new enough |
| [19:58:59] | RyanH: | ah |
| [19:59:01] | RyanH: | dvb-t |
| [19:59:07] | oobe: | i have to compiling the drivers from v4l-dvb and add patches |
| [19:59:23] | oobe: | that part doesnt phase me now |
| [19:59:24] | RyanH: | not uncommon... I have to do the same for my dvb-s stuff |
| [19:59:26] | |Torg|: | tzap=dvb-t, szap for dvb-s |
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| [19:59:52] | |Torg|: | does tzap report lock? |
| [19:59:57] | oobe: | im sure i got it right i just have some other prob |
| [20:00:02] | oobe: | yteah wierd |
| [20:00:12] | |Torg|: | doe sdvbtraffic report pids? |
| [20:00:12] | oobe: | cause nothing else works |
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| [20:00:17] | |Torg|: | err dvbtraffic |
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| [20:00:27] | oobe: | i dont know |
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| [20:00:31] | oobe: | never heard of it |
| [20:00:37] | juski_: | on my backend I can use tzap without needing the right perms. however catting /dev/dvb/dvr0 doesn't work |
| [20:00:52] | juski_: | if I sudo it, it works |
| [20:01:29] | oobe: | yeah well im doing it all as root |
| [20:01:36] | oobe: | just to make sure |
| [20:01:46] | juski_: | is mythbackend running? |
| [20:01:46] | oobe: | + i chmoded all the devices |
| [20:01:59] | oobe: | no i havent started it yet |
| [20:02:21] | oobe: | should i |
| [20:02:24] | juski_: | nope |
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| [20:03:14] | oobe: | hey that tool dvbtraffic |
| [20:03:16] | oobe: | is cool |
| [20:03:32] | oobe: | im running it now same time as tzap |
| [20:03:40] | |Torg|: | yes it tells you if zap just tuned a tranport that had a signal but no traffic |
| [20:03:44] | oobe: | and it shows my bandwidths |
| [20:03:54] | juski_: | does scan run ok? |
| [20:03:57] | |Torg|: | its telling you the bandwidth usage of each pid |
| [20:04:31] | |Torg|: | a guess is you have a 0000 with some 003X |
| [20:04:32] | oobe: | 2000 15354 p/s 2818 kb/s 23093 kbit |
| [20:04:40] | oobe: | looks like it |
| [20:05:03] | |Torg|: | 2000 I belvie is the whole thing, not a pid |
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| [20:05:24] | oobe: | ok what do i need to find out |
| [20:05:37] | |Torg|: | wel you would have to run dvbsnoop to see what each service was |
| [20:05:42] | |Torg|: | or you can guess :) |
| [20:05:50] | |Torg|: | whats above the 2000? |
| [20:06:11] | oobe: | nothing |
| [20:06:18] | |Torg|: | no 0030 or 0130? |
| [20:06:33] | |Torg|: | no 0000? |
| [20:06:42] | oobe: | [root@localhost ~]# ps -A | grep dvb |
| [20:06:42] | oobe: | 12322 ? 00:00:00 kdvb-fe-0 |
| [20:06:42] | oobe: | [root@localhost ~]# ps -A | grep tza |
| [20:06:42] | oobe: | 12321 pts/0 00:00:00 tzap |
| [20:07:30] | oobe: | 0200 4697 p/s 862 kb/s 7064 kbit |
| [20:07:39] | oobe: | 0202 8701 p/s 1597 kb/s 13086 kbit |
| [20:08:17] | |Torg|: | a guess would be that those are an audio pid and video pid respectivly |
| [20:08:37] | |Torg|: | without a PAT dump tho I cant tell you which goes to what |
| [20:08:46] | |Torg|: | or is that PMT? |
| [20:09:05] | oobe: | so it is working but i cannot access the card wierd |
| [20:09:11] | |Torg|: | is there a 0000? |
| [20:09:17] | oobe: | still makes me think its a permission error |
| [20:09:22] | oobe: | yes |
| [20:09:33] | |Torg|: | then its tunign something |
| [20:09:38] | oobe: | 0000 8 p/s 1 kb/s 13 kbit |
| [20:09:40] | |Torg|: | what station did you tell it to zap? |
| [20:09:54] | oobe: | channel ten HD |
| [20:10:01] | oobe: | im in asutralia |
| [20:10:08] | |Torg|: | paste that chanel from your channels.conf |
| [20:10:08] | oobe: | australia even |
| [20:10:18] | |Torg|: | its ok, dvb-t all works the same :) |
| [20:10:46] | |Torg|: | if it makes you feel any better I live in the US and use ATSC, not dvb-t |
| [20:11:00] | oobe: | TEN HD:219500000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_7_MHZ:FEC_3_4:FEC_1_2:QAM_64:TRANSMISSION_ MODE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_16:HIERARCHY_NONE:514:0:1576 |
| [20:11:43] | oobe: | u guys use dvb-s ? |
| [20:11:54] | |Torg|: | yes 0202 is the video 0200 is the audio |
| [20:11:58] | |Torg|: | and yes we use dvb-s |
| [20:12:14] | juski_: | oobe: looks like the audio PID is missing |
| [20:12:25] | |Torg|: | 514:0 |
| [20:12:35] | oobe: | still i should be able to access the card |
| [20:13:06] | juski_: | if the same thing works in ubuntu I'd put it down to a driver or permissions issue |
| [20:13:19] | juski_: | and there shouldn't be any permissions problems out of the box |
| [20:13:32] | oobe: | thats what i thought |
| [20:13:45] | |Torg|: | is /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 660? root:video? |
| [20:13:50] | oobe: | especially since this os is designed to be a mythbox |
| [20:14:19] | oobe: | video doesnt appear in my /etc/groups |
| [20:14:36] | |Torg|: | who owns the /dev/dvb tree? |
| [20:14:41] | oobe: | i read on a site how to add permissions to a different file in fedora |
| [20:14:50] | oobe: | i dont know |
| [20:14:55] | |Torg|: | ls -l it |
| [20:15:03] | oobe: | i chmoded recursivle /dev/dvb to 666 |
| [20:15:18] | oobe: | so shouldnt users beablle to access it |
| [20:15:25] | |Torg|: | and disabled it from udev? |
| [20:15:47] | oobe: | cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > t.ts |
| [20:15:47] | oobe: | cat: /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0: Permission denied |
| [20:15:50] | oobe: | lol |
| [20:16:09] | |Torg|: | thats not what I asked |
| [20:16:21] | oobe: | ls -l /dev/dvb |
| [20:16:22] | oobe: | total 0 |
| [20:16:22] | oobe: | drw-rw-rw- 2 root root 120 Oct 4 15:26 adapter0 |
| [20:16:22] | oobe: | drw-rw-rw- 2 root root 120 Oct 4 15:26 adapter1 |
| [20:16:30] | oobe: | i know i did it before i read what you wrote |
| [20:16:38] | |Torg|: | what is the permissions on /dev/dvb? |
| [20:16:42] | oobe: | i get ahread of my self |
| [20:16:55] | oobe: | how do i check |
| [20:17:12] | oobe: | shouldnt ls -l |
| [20:17:18] | oobe: | show it in what i pasted |
| [20:17:20] | |Torg|: | a, ls -la |
| [20:17:37] | oobe: | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 80 Oct 4 15:26 . |
| [20:17:37] | oobe: | drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 4800 Oct 4 15:26 .. |
| [20:17:37] | oobe: | drw-rw-rw- 2 root root 120 Oct 4 15:26 adapter0 |
| [20:17:37] | oobe: | drw-rw-rw- 2 root root 120 Oct 4 15:26 adapter1 |
| [20:18:14] | oobe: | ls -la /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [20:18:15] | oobe: | total 0 |
| [20:18:15] | oobe: | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? . |
| [20:18:15] | oobe: | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? .. |
| [20:18:15] | oobe: | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? demux0 |
| [20:18:15] | oobe: | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? dvr0 |
| [20:18:17] | oobe: | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? frontend0 |
| [20:18:19] | oobe: | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? net0 |
| [20:18:28] | juski_: | pastebin.ca |
| [20:18:33] | oobe: | sorry |
| [20:18:35] | |Torg|: | see the part where adapter0 is rw-rw-rw- and dont paste that here |
| [20:19:37] | oobe: | i looks like mythtv and root own all my devices under .dev.dvb |
| [20:19:42] | oobe: | /dev/dvb/ |
| [20:19:50] | |Torg|: | and nobody can stat the devices in any adapter |
| [20:19:56] | |Torg|: | see the part where adapter0 is rw-rw-rw-? |
| [20:20:05] | oobe: | yeah |
| [20:20:12] | |Torg|: | do you notice anything missing? |
| [20:20:23] | oobe: | like a device ? |
| [20:20:29] | |Torg|: | no like a permission |
| [20:20:36] | oobe: | no |
| [20:20:42] | |Torg|: | chmod it 755 as well as adapter1 and quit playing with permisisons |
| [20:20:55] | oobe: | ok |
| [20:21:13] | oobe: | chmod -R 755 /dev/dvb ? |
| [20:21:34] | oobe: | or chmod -R 755 /dev/dvb/adapter0 ? |
| [20:21:54] | |Torg|: | HELL NO |
| [20:22:05] | Aval0n-: | lol |
| [20:22:27] | oobe: | then look like i made a mistake |
| [20:22:33] | oobe: | what should i do to chmod it then |
| [20:23:12] | |Torg|: | chmod 755 /dev/dvb/* |
| [20:23:44] | oobe: | and that will do it recursivley to all devices |
| [20:23:45] | sslashes: | i can never get automatic recording transcoding working – is there something commonly done wrong? |
| [20:23:52] | |Torg|: | and next time go read the man page on permissiosn BEFORE you go screwing with them |
| [20:24:42] | Aval0n-: | lol i've never seen torg perterbed before |
| [20:24:43] | juski_: | whew. right time to repair my MBR to get rid of that ubunut awfulness |
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| [20:25:46] | sslashes: | if my mythbackend is failing a lot (i do have monit running, so it kicks it back on quickly), but, is there anything in particular that might make it very unstable (older versions of mythtv were much better for me) – running 0.20.2 |
| [20:25:53] | |Torg|: | naa Aval0n- I havnt asked him if he still had the box his computer came in yet |
| [20:26:10] | oobe: | i still cant get anything using cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 > 1.mpg |
| [20:26:23] | oobe: | it produces a 0 byte file |
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| [20:28:35] | Aval0n-: | lol |
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| [20:59:37] | CharlieSu: | Is there a way to have Myth/mythweb email me about conflicts? |
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| [21:03:07] | sphery: | CharlieSu: No, but you could have a script that polls the backend once/day and e-mails if there's a conflict. |
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| [21:06:20] | sphery: | CharlieSu: you could use something like "mythbackend --printsched" and then look for "C" in the "N" column. That gives you the full schedule (i.e. 2-weeks with full listings data in, i.e., the US). |
| [21:07:06] | sphery: | The other option is "web scraping" the MythWeb Upcoming Recordings page. |
| [21:08:37] | |Torg|: | sphery: thanks I dindt know about printsched |
| [21:09:09] | CharlieSu: | sphery: neither did i.. Thanks.. |
| [21:09:13] | CharlieSu: | awesome!! |
| [21:09:31] | sphery: | Probably easiest to parse by character number on the line |
| [21:09:55] | sphery: | It will be constant for a particular version (but I know that the SVN trunk output is different from 0.20-fixes). |
| [21:10:19] | CharlieSu: | yeah.. sphery is there some sort of explanation anywhere for the columns? |
| [21:10:26] | CharlieSu: | Title – Subtitle Ch Station Day Start End S C I T N Pri |
| [21:10:27] | sphery: | I.e. for me, the column to look at is column 70 after seeing "--- print list start ---" |
| [21:10:31] | Riddles: | Any Linux gurus here? I have switched from FC6 + Mythtv to MiniMyth (LinPVR on Flash) and all seems to be working fine, with one exception. When I try to play a dvd, it stutters all the time. The cause (as seen in top) is that it's waiting for i/o (iowait). How can you have io/waits when playing dvd video???????? This used to work fine under FC6. |
| [21:10:46] | sphery: | CharlieSu: Mainly the code |
| [21:11:01] | sphery: | CharlieSu: In trunk: Title – Subtitle Ch Station Day Start End S C I T N Pri |
| [21:11:10] | CharlieSu: | sphery: I'm using trunk |
| [21:11:18] | sphery: | Oh. I see that now. |
| [21:11:30] | CharlieSu: | trunk is only way :) |
| [21:11:47] | CharlieSu: | i actually wanted to use it for flash playback on mythweb.. |
| [21:12:13] | |Torg|: | s loks to be surceid |
| [21:12:41] | sphery: | See mythtv/programs/mythbackend/scheduler.cpp +415 |
| [21:12:45] | CharlieSu: | sphery: so what is X, T, and 1 on that N column? |
| [21:12:50] | CharlieSu: | ok |
| [21:13:32] | sphery: | Scheduler::PrintRec() does the printing |
| [21:13:58] | CharlieSu: | sphery: thanks.. that is def. the right section of code.. |
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| [21:15:29] | sphery: | basically: title-subtitle channel callsign day start end sourceid cardid inputid recording_type recording_status priority |
| [21:15:33] | Ryushin: | I just upgraded to the latest SVN. When I try to start my frontend now, I crashes. I'm getting some kind of weird error like: pure virtual method called terminate called without an active exception |
| [21:16:04] | Ryushin: | This has the new auto discovery code in it. Kinda cool really. |
| [21:16:57] | sphery: | Ryushin: Yeah. Was looking to see if I could port Myth's Perl bindings to use that (we're not supposed to use mysql.txt, anymore). Might give up and leave it for xris. |
| [21:17:31] | Ryushin: | Okay. Should I downgrade to a previous version then? |
| [21:18:15] | sphery: | Ryushin: I'm running trunk r14598 and it's working fine for me on x86 (64-bit and 32-bit) |
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| [21:19:04] | sphery: | Ideally, you'd find the bug and send in a patch, but if you can't and if a downgrade (don't cross lib/DB schema versions) works for you... |
| [21:20:10] | Ryushin: | Was there a schema upgrade between r14598 and r14611? |
| [21:20:21] | sphery: | CharlieSu: If you write a script to parse the --printsched output and send an e-mail about conflicts, you may want to post it to the list. A lot of people have requested that kind of capability. |
| [21:20:43] | CharlieSu: | sphery: i am writing one.. but in ruby.. think anyone will mind? |
| [21:20:51] | CharlieSu: | sphery: that is just my language of choice .. |
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| [21:21:02] | Ryushin: | sphery: So mysql.txt is being deprecated? |
| [21:21:09] | sphery: | CharlieSu: It's better than nothing. ;) |
| [21:21:09] | munkeh: | ffs. 3 dvb-t tuners and I STILL have conflicts! |
| [21:21:26] | Ryushin: | munkeh: You need 5 tuners. |
| [21:21:33] | sphery: | I have 4 ATSC tuners and still get the occasional conflict. |
| [21:21:33] | munkeh: | need multirec |
| [21:21:43] | CharlieSu: | sphery: will do.. It won't be anything beautiful, but it will work for me. |
| [21:22:22] | ** sphery is starting to think it might be nice to write a quick "notify" script using Perl with the Perl bindings to just ask the backend... ** | |
| [21:22:47] | sphery: | I just made a quick script today that outputs the most-recent X recordings. |
| [21:22:53] | sphery: | It was /really/ easy with the bindings. |
| [21:23:15] | munkeh: | sphery: won't be as kludgy as that mythtwitter thang |
| [21:24:37] | sphery: | munkeh: What's mythtwitter? |
| [21:25:09] | munkeh: | a user job script which tells twitter when you've recorded stuff |
| [21:25:26] | munkeh: | saw it on mythtvnews.com |
| [21:25:58] | munkeh: | there we go. set The Daily Show to have a priority of -5 & it's fixed the conflicts |
| [21:27:02] | sphery: | Interesting. |
| [21:27:41] | sphery: | I remember a discussion about that (and people talking about violating copyright ;), but I didn't remember the name of the script. |
| [21:29:07] | |Torg|: | hey while your here maybe you can help me with a script I use dto have but lost a while back. Basicly it would look up eppisodes and mark SXXEXX in the decritions for it |
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| [21:36:21] | CharlieSu: | SchedulesDirect is a great deal.. I'm very happy with it |
| [21:36:48] | Ryushin: | Well, the WAF is about to take a nose dive. I just downgraded to 14598 and I'm still getting that front end error. |
| [21:37:16] | Ryushin: | Should I do a distclean and recompile? |
| [21:38:11] | munkeh: | running trunk isn't about WAF |
| [21:38:26] | AndyCap: | munkeh: no, but staying married is. :P |
| [21:39:27] | Ryushin: | Well, that's why I watch the dev list. When things have settled down and there aren't so many commits is when I upgrade. |
| [21:39:41] | sphery: | CharlieSu: Looks like the Perl-bindings approach would require creation of a new Schedule.pm, so ... |
| [21:40:20] | sphery: | Ryushin: distclean is always a good start |
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| [21:42:07] | Ryushin: | sphery: Compiling. I'll let you know the result in a few minutes. |
| [21:42:51] | CharlieSu: | sphery: i'll just stick w/ my crappy screen scraping method for my own personal use.. |
| [21:43:02] | Ryushin: | distcc is so cool. |
| [21:43:55] | zo0m: | sometimes ;) |
| [21:44:03] | CharlieSu: | Ryushin: yes it is.. Gentoo would be a pain w/out it |
| [21:44:18] | munkeh: | gentoo is a pain even with it. cue distrowars! |
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| [21:44:33] | CharlieSu: | haha |
| [21:44:39] | Ryushin: | I have about 10 cores plugging away on it. |
| [21:45:59] | zo0m: | are you running your make under time? |
| [21:46:08] | sphery: | Ryushin: You're using ccache, too, right? |
| [21:46:30] | Ryushin: | I am using it under time. I don't think I'm using ccache though. |
| [21:46:37] | sphery: | I generally just use ccache and not distcc since the cache prevents recompiling most of it. |
| [21:46:43] | |Torg|: | ccache will help you more then distcc |
| [21:46:47] | sphery: | yep |
| [21:46:48] | zo0m: | cool, be interested to see how long it takes for you to compile with 10 cores :) |
| [21:46:58] | |Torg|: | about 15 mins |
| [21:47:10] | zo0m: | takes 11 on my masterbackend |
| [21:47:14] | zo0m: | 2 cores :P |
| [21:47:15] | sphery: | ccache helps a lot, but only if you compile more than once. :) |
| [21:47:18] | Ryushin: | It takes 13 minutes to do it on 2 cores. |
| [21:47:48] | zo0m: | dual p4 xeon 2.8ghz 2meg l2 |
| [21:47:48] | |Torg|: | takes abotu 15 mins to do mythtv, create the deb, install, do mythplugsins, create deb, install |
| [21:48:05] | |Torg|: | thats if I destry ccache and start from scratch |
| [21:48:26] | |Torg|: | distcc had problems across differing platforms and versions of gcc/g++ |
| [21:48:37] | zo0m: | chris@argos ~ $ grep -e bogomips -e stepping -e model /proc/cpuinfo |
| [21:48:37] | zo0m: | model : 4 |
| [21:48:37] | zo0m: | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz |
| [21:48:37] | zo0m: | stepping : 10 |
| [21:48:37] | zo0m: | bogomips : 5607.10 |
| [21:48:38] | zo0m: | model : 4 |
| [21:48:40] | zo0m: | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz |
| [21:48:42] | zo0m: | stepping : 10 |
| [21:48:44] | zo0m: | bogomips : 5600.47 |
| [21:48:46] | zo0m: | they are fast mofos |
| [21:48:48] | |Torg|: | pastebin.ca |
| [21:48:58] | zo0m: | ah well, little over the 3 line :) |
| [21:49:15] | zo0m: | but thats actually dual cpu |
| [21:49:28] | zo0m: | not dual core shareing fsb |
| [21:49:36] | zo0m: | 2 dies tho |
| [21:49:41] | |Torg|: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz |
| [21:49:42] | |Torg|: | bogomips : 6121.97 |
| [21:49:53] | Ryushin: | zoom: My backend only has a x2 at 2.2 ghz. My master server in house has a 2.6 x2. Two wireless frontends have 2.0 ghz X2. |
| [21:49:57] | zo0m: | torg: how much cache? |
| [21:50:13] | |Torg|: | 1M each core |
| [21:50:22] | zo0m: | ya :) |
| [21:50:33] | |Torg|: | thats just my FE |
| [21:51:32] | zo0m: | see if anythings recording, i'll time a make really fast |
| [21:51:45] | zo0m: | yay, no |
| [21:52:06] | zo0m: | never know what the woman has recorded. i'll think everythings free then login to mythweb and see all 4 tuners in use |
| [21:52:18] | zo0m: | crazy lady and her tv |
| [21:52:47] | Ryushin: | zo0m: So WAF is important for you too. :) |
| [21:53:31] | |Torg|: | WAF is important to most of us |
| [21:54:02] | zo0m: | hah yeah |
| [21:54:04] | |Torg|: | WAF is why I put the spaker wire and ethernet in the walls |
| [21:54:17] | |Torg|: | WAF is why I had to put the BEs in the office |
| [21:54:20] | sphery: | CharlieSu: I put creation of a Perl bindings Schedule.pm/Rule.pm in my Myth TODO. Once it's there, it would be easy to make notification scripts (notify of what shows will be recorded today, when there are conflicts, ...) |
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| [21:54:31] | |Torg|: | WAF is why I still have those damn Windows licenses |
| [21:54:38] | sphery: | But that's way down on the TODO... :) |
| [21:54:39] | Ryushin: | WAF is why I don't have my big speakers upstairs instead of sitting in the basement collecting dust. :( |
| [21:54:50] | BULLE: | |Torg|: you need to uppgrade W so she handles linux |
| [21:55:02] | |Torg|: | she handles linux just fine, its her games |
| [21:55:06] | BULLE: | oh |
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| [21:55:17] | zo0m: | mine really only complained about the remote. it took a solid 2 weeks or so of configuring lircd.conf to fit her wishes |
| [21:55:20] | Ryushin: | BULLE: Yea, tell her that when she just loves Word and can't stand OpenOffice. Don't ask me why. |
| [21:55:21] | |Torg|: | in fact im about to see if I can run scabble and asnood in wine |
| [21:55:52] | |Torg|: | although she would make a competant linux admin, so its not far off |
| [21:56:31] | Ryushin: | |Torg|: Better than my wife. I am the desktop support. |
| [21:57:08] | |Torg|: | she knows how to reset the FE, can check the netowrk connections, mount drives and fsck them |
| [21:57:14] | zo0m: | holy shit are you serious |
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| [21:57:19] | |Torg|: | so im guessing shes ok with runing linux, but she prefers not to |
| [21:57:21] | zo0m: | mine just points and says "its not working" |
| [21:57:22] | Ryushin: | It's done: |
| [21:57:25] | Ryushin: | real 8m27.714s |
| [21:57:25] | Ryushin: | user 13m38.593s |
| [21:57:25] | Ryushin: | sys 0m53.547s |
| [21:57:40] | |Torg|: | Ryushin: did you do a make clean first? |
| [21:57:44] | Ryushin: | distclean |
| [21:58:27] | zo0m: | thats pretty quick hehe |
| [21:58:59] | zo0m: | see what mine ends out |
| [21:59:04] | zo0m: | still going :\ |
| [21:59:36] | Ryushin: | Two of my dual core frontends are on wireless, so that will slow it down. |
| [21:59:43] | zo0m: | last time i timed it was -fixes from june or something, so it shouldnt be that far off |
| [22:01:41] | Ryushin: | So that's two shows the upgrade hasn't picked up. |
| [22:01:43] | Ryushin: | TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 44. Reverting to kState_None |
| [22:01:43] | Ryushin: | 2007-10–04 15:58:31.609 TVRec(1): Changing from RecordingOnly to None |
| [22:01:43] | Ryushin: | 2007-10–04 15:58:31.638 Canceled recording (Recorder Failed): Star Trek: Voyager "Phage": channel 1044 on cardid 1, sourceid 1 |
| [22:02:07] | Ryushin: | I'm thinking I'll have to delete the cards and add them back. |
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| [22:04:50] | |Torg|: | real 2m16.528s |
| [22:04:51] | |Torg|: | user 2m52.659s |
| [22:04:51] | |Torg|: | sys 0m39.322s |
| [22:05:05] | |Torg|: | that fast enough for you, of course I used ccache :P |
| [22:05:22] | Ryushin: | Yea, that was FAST! |
| [22:05:31] | Ryushin: | So is ccache that much faster over distcc? |
| [22:05:37] | |Torg|: | its becase all my objects are in ccache, well minus one |
| [22:05:55] | |Torg|: | if you like Ill clear the ccache and do it again |
| [22:06:32] | Ryushin: | Will that make a difference? Or is ccache just so much faster than distcc? |
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| [22:07:00] | |Torg|: | ccache cches to see if its already been compiled, so of course its faster |
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| [22:07:42] | Ryushin: | So yea, clear the cache and let 'er rip. |
| [22:09:40] | Ryushin: | Great, it has a problem now with the PVR-150/350 card. I'll delete them and readd them. |
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| [22:11:43] | zo0m: | ah man |
| [22:11:48] | zo0m: | show started recording at 6pm |
| [22:11:53] | zo0m: | Thu Oct 4 18:11:53 EDT 2007 |
| [22:12:00] | zo0m: | real 17m51.138s |
| [22:12:00] | zo0m: | user 31m33.650s |
| [22:12:00] | zo0m: | sys 1m22.690s |
| [22:12:02] | zo0m: | ;( |
| [22:12:10] | zo0m: | but i call no fair, damn recordings |
| [22:12:13] | zo0m: | and of all damn things: |
| [22:12:17] | zo0m: | Encoder 1 is remote on roy and is recording: 'Doc' on WPXN. This recording will end at 7:00 PM. |
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| [22:17:05] | BULLE: | Ryushin: i have managed to get mine to use openoffice without much complaining |
| [22:18:06] | Ryushin: | Mine complains. She used word for a decade. |
| [22:18:11] | zo0m: | in a way maybe im lucky mines computer stupid |
| [22:18:32] | zo0m: | just different problems heh |
| [22:19:53] | |Torg|: | real 10m23.728s |
| [22:19:53] | |Torg|: | user 15m33.222s |
| [22:19:53] | |Torg|: | sys 1m14.453s |
| [22:19:57] | |Torg|: | thats with 3 systems |
| [22:21:06] | Ryushin: | So I guess distcc isn't so bad. |
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| [22:42:46] | Ryushin: | I'm recreating my 4 recorders. I noticed a new option in the DVB Input Connections called Fast Tuning. Are there any more details on Fast Tuning? I'm using ATSC with an OTA antenna. |
| [22:43:13] | Ryushin: | I've always seen that DVB ATSC tuning has been brutally slow. |
| [22:43:19] | Ryushin: | Will this speed it up? |
| [22:43:49] | |Torg|: | wil what speed it up? |
| [22:45:45] | Ryushin: | Speed up the delay it takes to change channels. |
| [22:45:51] | Ryushin: | Using OTA ATSC? |
| [22:46:20] | mzb_d800: | ccache and distcc are two different things |
| [22:46:42] | mzb_d800: | (and can be used together iirc) |
| [22:47:28] | mzb_d800: | if you want something more elegant than distcc (and better in a lot of ways) try icecc |
| [22:49:18] | |Torg|: | more tuners does not speed up channel changing |
| [22:52:01] | fryfrog: | i don't think he claimed it would? |
| [22:52:23] | fryfrog: | the description of "fast tuning" is pretty good, it sounded unsafe to me |
| [22:52:33] | fryfrog: | tuning is going to be slow, unfortunatly. don't watch livetv :) |
| [22:52:48] | fryfrog: | or use the guide to pick a channel, rather than flipping up / down |
| [22:53:48] | Ryushin: | Yea, well, explain that to my wife who flips the samsung tv with a atsc tuner and it flips fast. |
| [22:54:30] | fryfrog: | myth is doing way more than your tv does :( |
| [22:54:36] | Ryushin: | But, on to more important matters. Figuring out why my PVR-150 are failing to record. But Live TV works fine from them. I'm getting this error: |
| [22:54:39] | Ryushin: | Channel(/dev/video3): SetInputAndFormat() failed |
| [22:54:39] | Ryushin: | 2007-10–04 16:52:32.456 TVRec(2) Error: Failed to set channel to 46. Reverting to kState_None |
| [22:54:39] | Ryushin: | 2007-10–04 16:52:32.456 TVRec(2): Changing from RecordingOnly to None |
| [22:54:52] | mzb_d800: | any "old" folks on now that didn't see my question 9 hrs ago? :) |
| [22:54:55] | Ryushin: | I can go to live TV and tune 46 just fine on both tuners. |
| [22:55:47] | Ryushin: | I recreated the tuners in mythtv-setup and the problem persists. |
| [22:56:15] | mzb_d800: | problem with nvidia tv-out (chrontel) with PAL tv |
| [22:56:55] | mzb_d800: | I can use nvtv to get enough overscan to (over)fill the screen, and then reduce the gui size to fit ... |
| [22:57:33] | mzb_d800: | but I end up with a blue bar on the top of the screen in some zoom modes, and I miss out on OSD at the bottom of the screen |
| [22:58:16] | mzb_d800: | is there a better method? (please don't waste your breath by telling me to replace the TV ;) |
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| [23:00:18] | sphery: | Ryushin: I think Fast Tuning is a hack that was primarily for early HDHomeRun firmware before it was fixed. |
| [23:00:29] | sphery: | Ryushin: I'd guess it will cause reliability issues. |
| [23:01:17] | |Torg|: | ATSC is mostly slow tuning do to how PMT is sent, and the fact the dvb card is sitting on its own bus with a bridge chip in between |
| [23:01:49] | sphery: | Ryushin: working LiveTV and non-working recordings is almost always due to broken video source/input connections/channel configuration. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [23:04:15] | Ryushin: | sphery: Okay, I'll check that again. |
| [23:04:27] | Ryushin: | I'll turn off fast tuning as well. |
| [23:04:29] | |Torg|: | is there any way to tell if a mode is interlaced? as far as I can tell I told my non 1080P to doa 1080P modline and it works |
| [23:04:47] | Ryushin: | It did "seem" to make changing channels faster though on the HD-3000 card. |
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| [23:07:18] | sphery: | Ryushin: What's the exact label of the option? |
| [23:07:46] | sphery: | I think it was removed from SVN trunk, and if so, the commit message that does so will probably explain why you don't want it. |
| [23:11:17] | Ryushin: | sphery: Use quick tuning |
| [23:11:21] | sphery: | Oh. Not removed. "Use quick tuning" |
| [23:11:25] | sphery: | just found it. |
| [23:12:05] | floppyears: | I just realized that I hardly ever watch live-tv. I'm mostly watchin stuff already recorded |
| [23:12:47] | sphery: | floppyears: You're doing it right! :) |
| [23:14:33] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... nobody old enough to remember (the pain involved in using) composite + overscan? |
| [23:15:09] | fryfrog: | DVI/HDMI ftw :( |
| [23:15:13] | floppyears: | when I setup a backend, where do I specify that it's supposed to be a slave backend ? |
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| [23:15:23] | fryfrog: | tell it the ip of the "master" be |
| [23:15:26] | floppyears: | sphery: thanks |
| [23:15:29] | fryfrog: | and it just submits, like a good little bitch |
| [23:15:39] | floppyears: | fryfrog: that's it ? |
| [23:15:47] | fryfrog: | afair |
| [23:15:52] | floppyears: | thanks fryfrog |
| [23:16:01] | fryfrog: | thats in the first page or two of mythtv-setup, afair |
| [23:16:38] | ** floppyears hopes to setup a slave backend since the masterbackend only has 2 tuners and I have to record 3 shows tonight at the same time ** | |
| [23:17:01] | |Torg|: | first page |
| [23:17:50] | mzb_d800: | floppyears: don't forget that you will (probably) need a common recordings share for the two backends (ie. nfs share) |
| [23:18:13] | |Torg|: | no you dont |
| [23:18:57] | sphery: | floppyears: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.3 |
| [23:19:04] | floppyears: | thanks again sphery |
| [23:19:20] | |Torg|: | and fryfrog afaik you dont have to set anything as a slave BE will come up and select MasterServerIP from the database, which is common to all boxes and autodetect its not the master |
| [23:19:38] | sphery: | I don't use a common recordings dir. Separate filesystems rule for reliability and cuts down on network traffic. |
| [23:20:09] | |Torg|: | same here |
| [23:20:28] | floppyears: | can storage directories use an nfs mounted directory for storage or do all of them have to be local ? |
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| [23:20:36] | blackest: | it could be good to transcode to a share on the master backend thou |
| [23:20:36] | |Torg|: | my master does HD, uses 3 500G drives in a storage pool. My slave BE does SD and used one 500G drive |
| [23:20:46] | GreyFoxx: | floppyears: They can be network mounts |
| [23:20:55] | floppyears: | thanks GreyFoxx |
| [23:21:48] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Out of curiosity, the generic cache patch is still on the back burner, right (i.e. not in the trash bin). |
| [23:21:51] | floppyears: | |Torg|: is 2.2 GB normal for 1 hr of sd recording ? or is that high ? |
| [23:22:18] | |Torg|: | its about 1G p[er hour |
| [23:22:21] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Right, just haven't finished it off |
| [23:22:25] | |Torg|: | but it sorta dpends on whats in it |
| [23:22:33] | sphery: | floppyears: It's extremely normal for 1 hr of recording at about 4500kbps average bitrate. |
| [23:22:33] | fryfrog: | floppyears: thats what i get from my PVR500 |
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| [23:22:51] | sphery: | floppyears: filesize is completely determined by the bitrate you set. |
| [23:22:59] | |Torg|: | or get |
| [23:23:17] | GreyFoxx: | floppyears: recordings from my pvr250's average 2.4G with my bitrate settings |
| [23:23:30] | GreyFoxx: | my dvb recordings while looking better are generally 1.8 to 2g per hour |
| [23:23:35] | sphery: | floppyears: if you have a clean source, you can get by with as little as about 2200kbps for MPEG-2 (though the quality will suffer a bit before you get it there). |
| [23:23:39] | floppyears: | wow, I thought a 1 hr recording would use up less space |
| [23:23:39] | |Torg|: | recordings of my dvb-s are 1–1.5G per hour |
| [23:23:59] | sphery: | floppyears: Time to upgrade that 20GB HDD. :) |
| [23:24:04] | |Torg|: | recordings of my atsc are about 7G per hour |
| [23:24:11] | floppyears: | haha |
| [23:24:23] | mzb_d800: | isn't the idea to transcode to something else? :) |
| [23:24:32] | |Torg|: | 2 hrs 2.2 GB |
| [23:24:34] | sphery: | I get between 4GB/hr and 8.5GB/hr depending on channel. |
| [23:24:38] | floppyears: | sphery: right now my master BE has 1 500gb hd, I'm expecting hd sizes to be larger before putting a new drive |
| [23:24:39] | |Torg|: | 2 hrs 1.3 GB |
| [23:24:40] | sphery: | mine are all HDTV, though.\ |
| [23:24:44] | |Torg|: | 2 hrs 30 mins 2.6 GB |
| [23:24:59] | mzb_d800: | I get aroung 5GB for 2hrs (SD) from USB DVB |
| [23:25:01] | |Torg|: | those are three differnt SD recodings |
| [23:25:16] | Ryushin: | Gee, I have my PVR-350/150 upped as high as it will go. I'm seeing about 4.6 GB an hour. Then it get's transcoded to mpeg4 down to about 1.1 GB per hour. But the quality looks decent this way. |
| [23:25:21] | |Torg|: | 1 hr 7.4 GB |
| [23:25:26] | |Torg|: | 1 hr 6.7 GB |
| [23:25:29] | sphery: | floppyears: 0.5TB isn't bad for SDTV. I have 3TB for my HDTV. |
| [23:25:34] | |Torg|: | 3 hrs 20 GB |
| [23:25:37] | |Torg|: | thats ATSC |
| [23:25:56] | |Torg|: | sphery: what do you put 3TB in? |
| [23:26:03] | sphery: | 2 backends :) |
| [23:26:17] | floppyears: | so what would you guys recommend ? I'm starting to run out of space in my hd, and I don't want to have to delete a bunch of shows ? can the storage be optimized somehow ? |
| [23:26:28] | |Torg|: | and I thoguth my 5 disk cage was overkill :) |
| [23:26:55] | |Torg|: | floppyears: you have two choices, 1 delte them, 2) archive them |
| [23:26:58] | sphery: | 3x750GB HDD, 330GB HDD, 300GB HDD, and 200GB HDD, IIRC. |
| [23:27:05] | |Torg|: | well ok 3 choices, get more disk |
| [23:27:20] | floppyears: | hehe |
| [23:27:34] | sphery: | transcode |
| [23:27:37] | floppyears: | |Torg|: can I tell mythtv to use a better encoder than mpeg2 of pvr-150 ? |
| [23:27:40] | |Torg|: | and tell your Wife its for timshfting not archiving whole seasons |
| [23:27:42] | sphery: | (possibly cutting commercials) |
| [23:27:49] | sphery: | or delete |
| [23:28:01] | sphery: | (I think I finished the ones |Torg| was working on) |
| [23:28:02] | |Torg|: | dunno floppyears I use dvb excusivly and dont transcode nor set bit rates on anythign |
| [23:28:09] | mzb_d800: | and/or do archives to DVD? |
| [23:28:18] | floppyears: | sphery: how does transcoding work ? |
| [23:28:29] | |Torg|: | sphery: my tests with cuttng commercails from 1080I reocrding was that I save about 200–250M |
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| [23:29:17] | fryfrog: | floppyears: or transcode them |
| [23:29:20] | sphery: | floppyears: You create a transcoding profile and possibly specify a cutlist (hit 'e' during playback, then see the HOWTO for more keys to use in edit mode), then--when done with the cutlist, hit x |
| [23:29:36] | fryfrog: | bah, i'm to slow :p |
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| [23:30:17] | sphery: | floppyears: You can go MPEG2->MPEG2 "lossless" which just cuts commercials. Or you can go MPEG-2 to MPEG-4 (in NUV container) and actually reduce resolution and/or bitrate (for more space savings). |
| [23:30:55] | sphery: | But many don't like NUV because it's hard to play on that alternative OS that's gaining popularity... |
| [23:32:27] | sphery: | However, with a good 720x480 @ 4500kbps average/6000kbps max PVR-x50 recording from a clean source (i.e. a digital cable/satellite box) you could get down to about 1GB/hr with very good quality, or, by reducing resolution (i.e. to 352x480), you could probably hit 700MB/hr. |
| [23:32:28] | floppyears: | sphery: you mean nuv doesn't work well with mac os ? |
| [23:32:38] | sphery: | No the other one. Windows. |
| [23:32:55] | sphery: | I have no idea if you can play it on a Mac that doesn't have a mythfrontend, though. |
| [23:32:58] | |Torg|: | whats Windows? |
| [23:33:09] | floppyears: | hehe, I thought that was declining in popularity :) |
| [23:33:40] | GreyFoxx: | There is a nuv2avi converter. I've never tried it (though I might tonight jsut to see if it works) http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/nuvtools/nuv2avi.php |
| [23:34:28] | sphery: | I don't know. All the OEM's have Windows Vista Basic, but you can upgrade to Vista Home Premium (for $50) or Vista Ultimate (for $100) or to Windows XP for $190... :) |
| [23:35:32] | sphery: | floppyears: And, if you use nuvexport, you can go to any of many formats and completely skip the whole NUV step. |
| [23:35:43] | floppyears: | thanks sphery |
| [23:36:08] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport and http://www.forevermore.net/mythtv/ |
| [23:36:40] | sphery: | thx for the reminder GreyFoxx. Oh, and happy to hear that you didn't give up on the cache. |
| [23:37:03] | mzb_d800: | there's a way of streaming via vlc isn't there? |
| [23:37:28] | mzb_d800: | (which would get around the nuv issue, right?) |
| [23:37:50] | mzb_d800: | or is that knoppmyth specific? |
| [23:38:07] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: My wife and little one will be gone this weekend so I might have a chance to site down and work on it again |
| [23:38:20] | sphery: | cool. |
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| [23:39:25] | sphery: | I've spent far too much time on a patch that was supposed to be a "quick win" to get me motivated to work on my big/complex patch that I've been putting off. |
| [23:40:18] | sphery: | Unfortunately, I have one more change to make to it, too, so I'll be finishing it tomorrow (and not starting on the big patch tomorrow morning). |
| [23:42:57] | cout: | gah! I transcoded my shows and now they are twice as large! |
| [23:43:06] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [23:43:19] | cout: | I think I have something configured wrong... |
| [23:43:53] | sphery: | cout: I think that happens a lot. Often people have it set up to transcode to RTJPEG |
| [23:44:01] | sphery: | (perhaps the default settings do that) |
| [23:44:23] | sphery: | in other words, check your transcoding profiles |
| [23:44:26] | cout: | yeah |
| [23:44:31] | cout: | it ended up as nupple |
| [23:45:19] | cout: | can I make the frontend not display an error message when it can't connect to the backend? |
| [23:45:41] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [23:45:41] | cout: | every time I see that screen I have to press enter on the keyboard (the remote doesn't work) |
| [23:46:10] | cout: | maybe I'll just comment it out and recompile |
| [23:47:19] | cout: | I don't understand why it displays that message anyway. the backend is running. |
| [23:48:35] | cout: | what's the command-line option to disable opengl? it's kinda slow over wireless.. |
| [23:48:46] | sphery: | -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [23:48:58] | cout: | thanks |
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| [23:54:48] | cout: | can I delete a transcoding profile? |
| [23:55:54] | cout: | I'm confused |
| [23:56:27] | cout: | where can I read up on transcoders? I don't understand what 'autodetect' is supposed to be automatically detecting. |
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