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[00:01:17] johnnysmi: i have a hauppauge wintv250 and for some reason its not recording anything above channel 13 of analog catv. i think its similar to a tv where there is "tv" and "catv" option
[00:01:19] johnnysmi: anyone help?
[00:01:41] johnnysmi: its a newly set up MythDora host (complete rebuild from a working Knoppmyth)
[00:02:50] keith4: in your video source setup, what's "channel frequency" set to?
[00:05:21] johnnysmi: hmmm... not sure. i'll run downstairs and check
[00:05:26] johnnysmi: what should it be set to?
[00:06:11] keith4: well, what's your pvr250 connected to?
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[00:06:43] johnnysmi: oh, sorry, its set to the coax connection. i do see pictures for channels 2–13
[00:06:49] johnnysmi: tuner1 i think it is
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[00:09:01] keith4: cable?
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[00:13:04] johnnysmi: yes. analog cable
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[00:15:37] keith4: what were the results of your channel scan?\
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[00:18:22] dablitz: can mythtv do audio channels only?
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[00:23:38] johnnysmi: keith4- the channel scan picked up 2–13... then i used schedulesdirect for the rest
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[01:24:04] venger: based on the level of chativity, one could only guess that everyone's mythboxes are working flawlessly
[01:24:09] johnnysmi: keith4 – thanks for your help. thats what it was
[01:24:19] johnnysmi: it was set to standard. i set it to US cable and its all working now
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[01:25:00] luke__: I've got a few recordings that say "The file for this recording can not be found"
[01:25:04] luke__: has anyone seen those before?
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[01:25:31] iamben: venger: mine is working perfectly, except that when the priority was 0 on both "2 and a half men" and "heroes" it didn't know that heroes was obviously the better show and it should record that
[01:25:37] iamben: so i missed the first 20 mins of heroes =(
[01:25:43] venger: last i head it was a differenence in version between the frontend and backend, mainly the protocol, would that apply to you luke__?
[01:26:37] luke__: it could.
[01:26:43] luke__: I can watch some recordigns
[01:26:45] venger: luke__, but you say a few, that means some work
[01:26:50] luke__: just not the ones I want
[01:26:51] luke__: of course
[01:27:03] venger: you could enable a frontend log
[01:27:26] venger: mythfrontend 2>&1 > /tmp/myth.log or the like
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[01:28:18] luke__: the only thing that I changed was that I set it to prefer my DVB input
[01:28:20] techjimbo: what card is alright for a p3 mythdora box that is going to just record/watch standard def TV? hap 350 or 250?
[01:28:29] luke__: thats the only thing I remember thats changed in the last week or so
[01:29:06] venger: luke__ are those recordings of age? plenty of drive space left? just tossing ideas while i'm the only one responding to your situation
[01:29:23] luke__: Finished recording Prison Break "Call Waiting": channel 2251
[01:29:32] luke__: this is at 21:00 today
[01:29:38] luke__: but when I go to watch that recording
[01:30:03] luke__: It says the file for this recording can not be found
[01:30:17] venger: techjimbo, 150 is a new manufacturer process thus cheaper when compared to the 250, do you need multiple inputs?
[01:30:22] keith4: johnnysmi: glad to hear it
[01:31:18] techjimbo: venger: multiple inputs such as multiple televisions? I'll probably have some koolu frontends at a later date.
[01:31:50] venger: techjimbo, no, multiple tuner capture ports on the same card
[01:31:57] keith4: I have digital cable and HD, and just put in a pcHDTV5500. My TV tunes channels like 41.5 and 109.1 and such. How do I map the channels that the pcHDTV sees to those in schedules direct?
[01:32:29] techjimbo: venger: does that concern recording two shows at a time?
[01:32:52] venger: techjimbo, sure
[01:33:18] keith4: further, the channel scanner seems to fail to see any channels
[01:34:02] techjimbo: venger: what card supports that? I know 350 can encode and decode at the same time. hrm. I'd consider getting a multiple-input-cabable card if its budget
[01:34:05] keith4: but it is possible that I'm an idiot
[01:34:16] Cyrexion: keith4: did you set the frequency to us-bcast ?
[01:34:28] iamben: techjimbo: the pvr-500 has dual tuners
[01:34:44] keith4: Cyrexion: I think I set it to cable
[01:34:52] venger: techjimbo, just curious what you were looking at doing, if you are doing just STD then a 150 can be had for $60
[01:34:58] iamben: if you want 1 tuner, get the 150... 2 tuners, get the 500
[01:35:07] keith4: I'm trying to follow this at the moment [ http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards ]
[01:35:19] venger: i second iamben's comment
[01:35:20] Cyrexion: for HD, you need to set the frequency to us-bcase
[01:35:25] Cyrexion: err, us-bcast
[01:35:36] keith4: okay, I'll try that in a minute. thanks
[01:36:07] techjimbo: iamben: ah okay. hauppauge has some sys requirements on the site for pvr-500 but I suppose it's much less with mythtv, especially for standard def TV
[01:36:29] iamben: yeah i wouldnt worry too much about their requirements
[01:36:30] keith4: techjimbo: separate back and frontends?
[01:37:17] techjimbo: venger: ah I see. 150 looks reliable on mythtv site. 500 would be nice though cuz I feel I'll update my backend
[01:37:18] Cyrexion: I'm still trying to figure out how to get mythtv to recognize my pcHDTV-HD5500 card's s-video input so I can view video from my DiSH Network receiver
[01:37:53] techjimbo: keith4: if anything, I was just thinking server-client. backend with some koolu front-ends but the frontends come later
[01:39:16] keith4: techjimbo: then you should be fine
[01:39:53] venger: you can't go wrong with a 150 and add another card later if you have the slot(s)
[01:41:48] Aval0n-: anyone here have partial lock problems with QAM chans?
[01:42:16] Aval0n-: I have one channel giving me issues, if I tune to another channel on the same multiplex, then over, I can tune it.. but I can not tune it directly
[01:42:56] techjimbo: venger: I can use multiple cards? Hrm. That doesn't get too complicated right?
[01:43:25] techjimbo: hardware install should be piece of cake but is mythtv wise to "load-balancing."
[01:43:55] keith4: techjimbo: it schedules well between multiple tuners
[01:44:11] techjimbo: i'm sold.
[01:44:31] venger: you can't go wrong with a 150 techjimbo
[01:45:53] venger: i suppose in time, if you do get to many tuners lieing around you could link us to your ebay listing as well lol
[01:46:25] Aval0n-: or you could do a pvr-500
[01:46:32] Aval0n-: two 150's on one card.
[01:46:37] Aval0n-: thats what I have.
[01:47:08] keith4: i gradually added tuners
[01:47:11] venger: or 1–150 and 1–500 for 3 tuners, or 2–500 for 4, the sky's the limit?
[01:47:16] keith4: that's how i ended up with 4 PVR250s
[01:47:19] Aval0n-: :)
[01:47:31] Aval0n-: I ran out of slots
[01:47:35] Aval0n-: so I had to two the 500
[01:47:42] Aval0n-: I have a pvr-500 and a kworld 115
[01:47:48] keith4: i made a slave backend ;-)
[01:48:04] venger: you do more than SD though dont you Aval0n-?
[01:48:10] Aval0n-: yeah
[01:48:19] Aval0n-: I'm using the kworld for QAM256 chans
[01:49:47] techjimbo: i'll probably snag a pvr-150. when I get an HD TV / cable, I'll have to get a new card. will the 150 be of any use for HD?
[01:49:55] keith4: can someone advise me what to do? I have multiple SD tuners, and an HD tuner. I have cable that has digital equivalents to almost all analog channels, plus HD channels. How should I set things up?
[01:49:59] Tanthrix: techjimbo: No.
[01:50:32] Aval0n-: this partial lock thing is driving me up the wall.
[01:59:39] Captain_Murdoch: sphery: I hadn't got to the part of storing multiple seektables yet. The multiple-file patch was back-burnered for the software encoding patch that modifies NuppelVideoRecorder to allow you to use libavformat containers and libavcodec codecs so we can generate say .flv files from mythtranscode for playing via mythweb. my initial motivation for the software encoding patch was because I was using mvpmc boxes as secondary fron
[01:59:40] Captain_Murdoch: m using msntv2 boxes, so I don't need mpg files anymore really, but I never changed direction so I'm still slowly headed down that path since it has other uses. Then once I can have new file formats, the multiple file support comes into play. For instance if you watch a video once over the web, we could keep the .flv around if we wanted and have it associated with the original recording.
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[02:40:06] keith4: should I set up a pcHDTV as DVB or v4L?
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[02:40:47] luke__: dvb
[02:41:34] keith4: ok
[02:41:44] keith4: is it necessary to setup the analog part?
[02:43:06] luke__: no
[02:43:24] luke__: I just use it for my digital stuff
[02:43:30] luke__: and a pvr-150 for the analog stuf
[02:43:57] Aval0n-: Ggrrr
[02:44:03] Aval0n-: partial lock!@#?3
[02:44:09] ** Aval0n- shoots mythtv box **
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[02:44:49] weltschmerz: anyone know of something so simple and obvious as an rss-cast plugin for myth?
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[02:47:33] keith4: i bet you could write something to subscribe to an rss feed and then broadcast it with mythudprelay or something like that
[02:50:06] keith4: luke__ how do you tell myth to use the pcHDTV for the digital or HD channels, but the other card for any other channels?
[02:50:51] luke__: I just set my recordings to use that card.
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[02:51:21] luke__: I delete wcvb and leave wcvb-dt
[02:51:45] luke__: anything recording on a digital channel will automatically swap to the digital card
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[02:52:19] keith4: ah, interesting. by "delete" you mean... unsubscribe in schedules direct?
[02:52:35] luke__: no, I delete the channel in mythtv-setup
[02:52:53] keith4: ok
[02:53:15] luke__: in your recording schedules you can also prefer an input
[02:53:33] keith4: so I need to figure out if I have, say, WCVB digital and which channel it is, and then delete WCVB
[02:53:50] luke__: you can have both
[02:53:52] luke__: I just dont
[02:54:40] Cyrexion: luke__ : how do you set up the pvr-150 just to take in whatever comes through its s-video input?
[02:54:47] keith4: right, I'd like both. if I'm recording something on the digital one... maybe someone else wants to watch the analog one
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[02:56:15] tcpsyn: cyrexion, you set that up in mythtv-setup
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[02:56:52] Cyrexion: right, but under what card type (V4L)?
[02:57:19] tcpsyn: under the pvr-150 one... they're labled.
[02:58:16] brian_: hey guys, I'm thinking about building a mythtv system (knoppmyth) and I was looking for a little bit of advice
[02:59:18] keith4: you came to the right place
[02:59:29] brian_: I've seen a lot of hardware advice, but it all looks pretty dated on the documentation
[02:59:48] brian_: I'm just looking for sdtv and wanted to know at what point a cpu becomes overkill
[02:59:53] keith4: SD or HD?
[02:59:57] keith4: oh
[03:00:08] keith4: with hardware encoding, CPU is less important
[03:00:17] keith4: but CPU is important for transcoding, commercial flagging, etc
[03:00:22] tcpsyn: yea
[03:00:31] keith4: CPU is somewhat important for playing
[03:00:33] tcpsyn: two cores is better than one
[03:00:51] brian_: I was planning on using pvr-500 tuner, so it would be hardware encoding
[03:01:01] keith4: combined front/backend?
[03:01:05] brian_: yeah
[03:01:29] keith4: so you want to record something while watching something else live?
[03:01:50] keith4: any P4 would probably be okay
[03:02:00] keith4: or equivalent
[03:02:29] brian_: I was looking at an athlon 64 3200
[03:02:32] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: IMHO you'll do just fine with as low as a 1GHz processor — especially if you're using an NVidia card with the nvidia binary graphics driver (not the 'default' X one)
[03:02:45] brian_: geforce 6150 on board
[03:02:58] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: SD is not very 'needy'... ;-)
[03:03:06] brian_: neither am I, lol
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[03:03:29] brian_: I want to keep it cheap where possible... is it worth even dropping down to like a sempron 64?
[03:03:55] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: That processor would even handle HD. It might be a little 'tight' if transcoding and playing back HD at the same time, but maybe not... ;-)
[03:04:31] Cyrexion: is it possible to record sdtv via the s-video input on the pcHDTV-hd5500 ? if so, how can I change the input from taking OTA broadcasts to use that s-video connection?
[03:04:31] brian_: there will be no hd... are you referring to the athlon or sempron?
[03:05:30] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: Well, I only saw the Athlon 64, but now see Sempron... I can't speak to the Semperon not having used them myself, but I doubt seriously it would be an issue at all with a SD system.
[03:07:15] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: Heck, I ran my first backend system on an AMD Thunderbird 1800 w/512mb ram and 3 SD tuners (PVR-500,PVR-350)... and watched TV wile recording 3 things at once. I don't think any new processor is going to have any difficulty with SD tv!
[03:07:38] brian_: awesome
[03:08:25] brian_: I'm thinking ASUS M2NPV-VM for onboard audio and video (S-Video out) with 512 RAM and athlon or sempron 64 3200+
[03:09:29] brian_: only slight issue is that the onboard video will eat some of that ram
[03:09:31] J-e-f-f-A: Cyrexion: You would setup a seperate listing source for the s-video port. HOWEVER – It's a single tuner card, so you can only use one 'port' at a time on the card, whether it's the tuner (HD) or the S-
[03:09:42] J-e-f-f-A: Cyrexion: ... [sorry]
[03:09:53] J-e-f-f-A: Cyrexion: ... [sorry] S-Video, or composite video...
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[03:10:43] J-e-f-f-A: Cyrexion: And Currently Myth doesn't have the ability to 'busy' the tuner input if you're using the S-video input on the same card. (There's been talk about it, and it may have made it's way into SVN, but I'm not aware of it yet)
[03:13:44] brian_: I also have another question that might seem silly...
[03:14:46] brian_: if I'm setting up knoppmyth, do I need a monitor, or will it display on a tv with s-video out if there's no monitor cable connected?
[03:14:47] Aval0n-: guys, does chan id matter in the sql database?
[03:14:52] Aval0n-: because my stuff is not listing in order
[03:15:04] Aval0n-: channel 1 shows up after like 29
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[03:15:15] Aval0n-: can I change channelid without any adverse effects?
[03:15:35] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: That depends on your video card. But IMHO, you'll want a monitor to set it up. It's really, really hard to read shell text on a tv monitor..
[03:16:28] brian_: alright, that makes sense
[03:17:37] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: I say 'it depends on your video card' because some will display the bios POST on the TV, and whatever you throw at it... some won't... ;-)
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[03:22:25] keith4: nice, i'm getting other peoples' VOD
[03:22:29] Cyrexion: would you guys recommend the pvr-150 as the best for sd capture?
[03:23:09] Aval0n-: can I change channelid without any adverse effects?
[03:24:57] brian_: if you were going to use 2 sd tuners would you go with 2 pvr 150s or 1 pvr 500?
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[03:25:08] keith4: brian_: same thing
[03:25:21] J-e-f-f-A: Cyrexion: IMHO, yes.
[03:25:42] Cyrexion: ok, thanks
[03:25:44] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: I'd go for a PVR 500 — one less slot for future expansion...
[03:25:51] brian_: yeah...
[03:26:08] brian_: the only advantage I see of the 150s is that if one fails, you still ahve the other
[03:26:15] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: I've got a PVR-250, PVR-500, HD3000 and HD5500 in my system...
[03:26:48] brian_: that's crazy
[03:26:51] brian_: lol
[03:27:14] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: I don't think it's gonna fail... as long as you're not struck by lightning and handle it properly (ie anti-static)... Mine's been in 3 different boxes over the last 2–1/2 years...
[03:27:46] Cyrexion: J-e-f-f-A — how do you manage to simultaneously record two HD shows OTA? Do you have two separate antennas?
[03:28:16] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: And I've got two HVR-950 USB HD tuners ready to go on a 'slave' laptop... <evil laugh> ;-)
[03:29:14] J-e-f-f-A: Cyrexion: I just use a high-quality splitter, with an antenna pointed at Boston. I get 22 channels (including the multiplexes), of which I probably want to use 10 or so...
[03:29:54] brian_: lol, never too much tunage huh?
[03:30:47] Cyrexion: so you get all those channels at a strong signal just having it pointed in that one direction?
[03:30:49] Cyrexion: nice.
[03:31:44] brian_: question on the functionality of mythtv... is it so easy a caveman could use it?
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[03:31:48] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: My backend currently has about 2.3TB of disk hooked up to it... 1TB is Myth recordings, another 760GB is my old backend's drives that I haven't migrated as videos yet, another 320GB drive is about 1/2 full of movies recorded in myth and moved over as vidoes.... And the rest isn't used yet... ;-) (Yes, I am crazy)
[03:32:20] Cyrexion: I would hate to see that crash... ouch
[03:32:51] brian_: lol, there is really very little free space all things considered
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[03:34:12] J-e-f-f-A: brian_: Pretty much... And if you stay with the 'released' versions, it's pretty simple to setup too. There are a few single-disc installs out there... KnoppMyth, MythDora, and one based on Ubuntu, but I don't know the name. May be more too... (I haven't looked in some time...)
[03:34:12] bsdfox_: my backend has 2 raided 80gb right now :P
[03:34:37] bsdfox_: I'd rather have a full distro with myth on top than a myth-based distro
[03:34:47] bsdfox_: seems to work better for upgrading stuff
[03:34:52] J-e-f-f-A: My myth recordings (1TB) is a raid5... my old backend was 4x200GB in an LVM (no raid – yikes!)
[03:35:19] brian_: I'm not concerned about the install so much as the gf being able to use it haha
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[03:35:55] J-e-f-f-A: One of my friends swears by "MythDora" — I haven't tried it myself, but he loves it. I started with KnoppMyth, then went to Fedora via Jarod's guide, and have stayed with Fedora since then.
[03:36:55] J-e-f-f-A: (I'm not saying there's anything wrong with KnoppMyth, it's a great distribution, I just preferred the 'hands on' approach with Fedora and Jarod's guide)  ;-)
[03:37:28] brian_: I'm more used to debian
[03:37:32] bsdfox_: J-e-f-f-A: you get good enough performance with raid5?
[03:37:33] brian_: that's what I have on my pc
[03:38:28] brian_: not that it matters a ton, but knoppmyth would probably be the easiest for me to deal with
[03:39:00] bsdfox_: on the raid5 on this machine (just my desktop and a frontend) I get about 15mb/s write speed which I don't think would be fast enough for multiple hd streams
[03:39:20] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: Yeah, but that's probably because my cpu's an Athlon 64 X2 4600+ ... I may completely change my setup to only individual disks and take advantage of 'storage groups'... I would lose some recordings in the event of a disk failure, but it's only tv...
[03:39:50] bsdfox_: I'm on a 3ghz core duo :P
[03:40:40] bsdfox_: what's dd if=/dev/zero of=~/test.tmp bs=4096 count=100000
[03:40:47] bsdfox_: what does that tell you for write speed
[03:40:58] bsdfox_: do it while your system is idle
[03:41:02] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: IIRC I was seeing 20MB/s write when I actually thought to test it... It suprised me that it was so poor. [another reason to consider the storage group approach!]
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[03:41:21] bsdfox_: 20mb/s is almost unheard-of fast for software raid5 :P
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[03:43:28] brian_: SATA hard drives aren't a problem anymore are they?
[03:43:32] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: Umm... You're not going to believe this, but it said: 409600000 bytes (410 MB) copied, 3.09721 seconds, 132 MB/s
[03:43:52] Captain_Murdoch: J-e-f-f-A: main thing is spindles. if you're dealing with multiple streams simultaneously then 100MB/sec isn't worth anything if the seek times are in the toilet.
[03:43:54] hadees: brian_, nope
[03:44:00] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: And yes, that is on my Raid5... Did I mention it's 3x 500GB SATA II drives? Perhaps that makes a difference...
[03:44:21] bsdfox_: jeffa: I was testing on 3x400gb sata2 drives
[03:44:39] Captain_Murdoch: your 'dd' isn't syncing to disk either probably. run a 'sync' and see how long it pauses.
[03:44:46] bsdfox_: jeffa: add another 0 onto count :)
[03:44:50] ** J-e-f-f-A wonders what his non-raid disk can do... **
[03:44:56] ** J-e-f-f-A tries... **
[03:45:27] J-e-f-f-A: sync took approx 2 seconds.
[03:45:49] Captain_Murdoch: plus the time it was already spooling to disk in the background before you ran sync. :)
[03:47:28] keith4: so... you just measured your ram cache at 132MB/s
[03:47:43] ** J-e-f-f-A ... much slower with count of 1 million... me don't think it's gonna be 132MB/s now!  ;-) **
[03:47:50] bsdfox_: jeffa: yeah :P
[03:48:14] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: I did think that was 'just a tad' high... ;-)
[03:48:36] bsdfox_: I think that'd be high for like 6x 15k cheetahs in raid5 :P
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[03:49:39] J-e-f-f-A: Ok, it came back at 19.4MB/s... See, I remembered about 20MB/s correctly... ;-)
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[03:50:23] bsdfox_: nice, that's fast man
[03:50:38] bsdfox_: I'll retest mine in a bit when this virtualbox install finishes
[03:50:54] ** J-e-f-f-A now goes to purge that 4.1gb file... that's almost an hour of HD!  ;-) **
[03:51:19] bsdfox_: really? I'm recording SD at 2.7GB/hour :P
[03:52:28] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: Yeah, but HD is compressed much better than your Hapupauge or software encoder does.... '24' is typically between 5 and 6GB for 1HR or 720p
[03:52:54] bsdfox_: yeah probably
[03:53:21] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: Just to give you an idea of the difference... Dish Network resolution is 544x480, and is about 1GB/hr. At the same resolution on the PVR-500, it's 3.2GB/hr...
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[03:53:56] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: That's what a $10,000 multi-pass encoder does for you... better quality at lower bitrates...
[03:54:25] bsdfox_: k
[03:54:45] tcpsyn: all of a sudden I cant get a lock on fox's fiber feed
[03:54:49] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: And allows them to carry many, many more channels on each sattelite...
[03:56:40] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: Also... with HD, the actual mpeg stream is dumped to disk directly... so no decoding, then encoding takes place, so you maintain the high-quality compression, and have an exact copy of what was broadcast.
[03:57:16] J-e-f-f-A: bsdfox_: With SD, your tuner or 'settop box' is decoding it to analog video, then your tuner card (or software) is encoding it back to mpeg...
[03:58:31] J-e-f-f-A: Well, I've gotta crash-- there's a 'big wig' visiting our office tomorrow and I'm supposed to be to work an hour early... that leaves just 6 hours to sleep [ugh] since I've stayed up so late now! TTYL...
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[04:01:26] weltschmerz: why is there no plugin to do something as obvious as rss-cast subscriptions?
[04:01:42] tcpsyn: because you haven't written it yet
[04:02:09] tcpsyn: mythnews?
[04:03:22] bsdfox_: later jeff
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[04:23:10] Yashy: Does one need video sources for mythtv to work or can I just manually go through the channels perhaps? I just installed mythtv in Feisty fawn, however it's not working. I'm getting an error, "Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected, if you want to watch and in-progress..."
[04:23:46] Yashy: cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg # works with my PVR-150.
[04:24:07] bsdfox_: Yashy: try restarting the backend?
[04:24:20] Yashy: Yes, several times :)
[04:24:22] bsdfox_: I forget how I fixed that but it was easy to google
[04:24:27] bsdfox_: might be a database setting
[04:24:44] Yashy: I've been googling for hours, I deinstall and reinstalled to no avail.
[04:24:52] Yashy: deinstalled rather
[04:25:15] Yashy: I can connect to mysql manually as mythtv using the info in mysql.txt.
[04:26:07] Yashy: Any other suggestions?
[04:28:00] Captain_Murdoch: try setting up a dummy video source, assigning that to the tuner input, then scan for channels on that input.
[04:28:28] Captain_Murdoch: I think you need a source, but am not 100% sure. I just went through that same process about 2 hours ago and I setup a "no grabber" source for testing the box I'm working on.
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[04:29:56] Yashy: Scan for channels says "Failed to open the card" when I try that on the PVR-150
[04:31:11] brian_: will I need anything more powerful than a sempron 64 3400+ for dual sdtv on a pvr500?
[04:31:32] kdubya: why you scanning with a pvr-150?
[04:31:40] kdubya: just download the lineup
[04:32:01] kdubya: scanning is usually just used for digital
[04:32:10] Aval0n-: kdubya, do you know if channel id is value you can change in the channel table without advserse effects?
[04:32:12] kdubya: brian_, no
[04:32:21] Aval0n-: I have some channels in program guide that are not in sequence
[04:32:26] kdubya: no idea Aval0n-
[04:32:31] Aval0n-: ah
[04:32:32] Aval0n-: ok
[04:33:30] brian_: thanks
[04:33:31] Yashy: kdubya: Where can I download it for free?
[04:33:36] brian_: I think I'm gonna head out
[04:33:53] brian_: thanks ofr your help guys
[04:34:19] Captain_Murdoch: Yashy, if you're in the U.S. or canada, you can get a 7-day free trial at www.schedulesdirect.org
[04:34:38] bsdfox_: brian: a pvr500 doesn't need much at all, a 1ghz with fast drives would work fine
[04:34:49] kdubya: its $20 a year, thats close enough to free
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[04:41:06] Yashy: I don't really need to pay, all I want is one specific channel
[04:41:40] kdubya: well
[04:41:44] kdubya: when i scan
[04:41:47] kdubya: i see the same problem
[04:41:53] kdubya: unless i can select a channel lineup
[04:42:03] kdubya: which you dont have
[04:42:17] kdubya: doesnt seem like that should be a requirement though
[04:45:24] Yashy: Apparently schedulesdirect.org was started by the developers of mythtv, so that explains why :)
[04:45:32] Captain_Murdoch: if you know SQL, use mythtv-setup to make a dummy video source and set it to "no grabber". then assign that videosource to your pvr-150's tuner input, then insert a row into the channel table for whatever channel you want to get.
[04:45:47] kdubya: heh
[04:45:52] kdubya: its nonprofit Yashy
[04:45:54] Captain_Murdoch: has nothing to do with anything you're talking about.
[04:46:43] Yashy: Captain_Murdoch: I insert the row in mysql, or in mythtv-setup?
[04:47:08] Captain_Murdoch: mysql. do you know SQL?
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[04:49:04] Captain_Murdoch: what channel do you want to get?
[04:51:46] Yashy: Thanks Captain_Murdoch, I'm up and running with the dummy source :)
[04:52:03] Captain_Murdoch: yw. I thought you needed one, but wasn't sure about the channels.
[04:52:29] kdubya: i was going to suggest using a free one from another country
[04:52:35] Yashy: I did a scan on the dummy, and it found all the channels I subscribe too :)
[04:52:43] kdubya: but go ahead, use the way taht requires actually knowing something
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[04:53:09] Captain_Murdoch: I thought the analog scanner was supposed to work. I've never used it myself though.
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[05:02:21] Captain_Murdoch: hmm, somebody is lost. ;)
[05:02:33] Chutt: anyone have a recommendation on a decent case for a fileserver?
[05:02:35] Chutt: heh
[05:02:45] Chutt: figured i should ask off-topic questions in the proper channel :p
[05:02:54] Captain_Murdoch: :)
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[05:05:57] Yashy: Any idea on how I can record without a proper source? All of the rule options appear to be around the text in typical sources. I tried "Manual schedule" to record channel 6 from 22:05 for 10 minutes, but it won't let me save that for some reason (option is greyed out)
[05:06:14] Yashy: I want to regularily record a certain channel at a certain time.
[05:08:04] kdubya: it should work
[05:08:19] kdubya: you have to change the very first option i think
[05:08:34] kdubya: make it say record this timeslot every week
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[05:36:13] Yashy: Can someone tell me why "Save these settings" is greyed out under "Manual Record"?
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[05:50:59] Juski_deceased: Yashy: normally means the showing isn't going to be recorded
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[05:52:21] Captain_Murdoch: juski deleting a whole playlist doesn't prompt because I didn't want to be asked 20 times if I wanted to delete a recording. it probably should ask "are you sure you want to delete all these recordings" before deleting the first one though.
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[05:52:49] Captain_Murdoch: I initially figured if you navigate through the menus to find that delete button that's enough of a prompt.
[05:53:04] juski: Captain_Murdoch: yeah that was my thinking. being pestered about 20 times will be a pain ;)
[05:53:33] juski: I'd never seen the accidental deletion thing as a problem before yesterday
[05:53:38] Captain_Murdoch: I use it every so often to delete lists of shows we're not interested in anymore.
[05:54:05] juski: yeh I normally only use playlists for that too
[05:54:26] juski: not changing groups of recordings en masse & assigning user jobs to them
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[05:55:33] Captain_Murdoch: I use playlists to play music videos in random order and I'll use them more as my daughter gets a little older. :) That's why I added that feature, it was for the kids, for the kids.. :) (well, I only have one and she wasn't even born yet at the time)
[05:56:28] Captain_Murdoch: anyway, time for bed. I'm done with my SAN maintenance for work.
[05:56:32] juski: in all fairness I'd never normally select the 'wrong' menu option but I was working over a laggy vnc connection at the time
[05:56:41] Captain_Murdoch: yeah, saw that in scrollback. :(
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[05:57:41] juski: main thing is the recordings I really wanted had already been exported & were safe as I later found out :) night Captain_Murdoch
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[05:59:32] Yashy: juski: I understand that means it won't record it, but I'm wondering what I can do so it will work
[06:00:03] juski: well those options are normally greyed out when you've not selected how to record the show
[06:00:13] juski: i.e. when it's still on "do not record this programme"
[06:02:58] juski: ojees. Sly want to go ahead with their plan for paytv on Freeview. I hope OFCOM spit it out
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[06:07:31] juski: arghhh! Knight Rider might be coming back
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[06:13:31] EnderTheThird: Anyone know what config file I change on an FE so I can change the IP it has for the BE? I changed my router/IPs and I can't get the FE started so I change it in the menu.
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[06:15:27] EnderTheThird: nevermind
[06:15:47] EnderTheThird: it's ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt in case anyone else ever asks. Later.
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[06:17:55] bolly: hi i'm running mythdora and was wondering how i can set sun java as my default java interpretter
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[06:29:28] emory: Why is MythTV recording completely wrong shows?
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[06:48:07] Speedy2: Hey all. My mythfilldatabase script went nuts and myth thinks it has guide data for like 10 years. How can I clear out any guide data it has so the next mythfill populates it correctly?
[06:49:04] Speedy2: (i.e. what entries in the mysql tables should I clear?)
[06:51:18] bsdfox_: mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --refresh-all
[06:52:32] Speedy2: bsdfox_: That will expire all current guide data? Hrm
[06:52:43] bsdfox_: dunno
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[06:56:44] bolly: how can i get my remote to launch the mythtv when i press the Live TV button?
[06:58:56] sphery: Speedy2: The "quick and dirty" way to get rid of guide data is "TRUNCATE TABLE program;" but it leaves some stuff in the DB.
[06:59:24] sphery: Speedy2: Doing a "Delete all video sources" cleans it out nicely, but requires reconfiguring video sources, input connections, and channels.
[06:59:26] Speedy2: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /044339.html
[06:59:44] sphery: same thing
[06:59:46] Speedy2: sphery: What do you think of method outlined in the 2004 posting?
[06:59:46] Speedy2: hrm
[07:00:04] Speedy2: sphery: So I just did that. So I'll ahve to reconfigure a bunch of things?
[07:00:06] bsdfox_: ahh yeah just delete the video source :) that shouldn't be too hard
[07:00:07] sphery: the stuff it leaves behind is not a big deal and will eventually go away.
[07:00:39] sphery: If you just delete/truncate the program table, no reconfiguration required.
[07:01:19] Speedy2: Cool. Looks like all channels are there, guide data is just missing.
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[07:02:05] sphery: Yeah. Just have to refill and it should be good (assuming your channels were good before ;)
[07:04:37] sphery: bolly: Use irexec (but then you can't use the Live TV button inside MythTV because it will try to start mythfrontend again).
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[07:07:03] sphery: LennonNZ: type in "ALSA:default" (no quotes) for sound device and "default" (no quotes) for mixer.
[07:07:24] LennonNZ: sphery :-) yes thats for the output.... that works fine
[07:07:53] LennonNZ: but the capture card is alsa:hw:1,0
[07:07:53] sphery: Oh. Recording /only/ uses the OSS API, so you'll need OSS compat modules.
[07:07:55] LennonNZ: for the sound
[07:08:07] LennonNZ: sphery: yea.. thats the one :-)
[07:08:15] LennonNZ: maybe that'll be fixed in the future :-)
[07:08:39] LennonNZ: just getting a HVR4000 working properly
[07:09:59] LennonNZ: and wondered why I couldn't get sound working properly
[07:10:08] LennonNZ: but that's probably the reason
[07:10:15] sphery: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3405
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[07:11:03] Bolly: hi sorry back again
[07:11:10] LennonNZ: 5 months old patch.. not ben put in the main yet
[07:11:18] sphery: 5 months is a new patch
[07:11:27] sphery: lot of busy devs
[07:11:35] Bolly: i have a few questions with my remote and mythtv, first one how can i get mythtv to launch from my remote and second how can i get EPG to appear when pressing Guide
[07:11:42] sphery: Besides, the submitter hasn't fixed the problem the dev asked him to fix.
[07:12:32] LennonNZ: yea
[07:12:40] sphery: Bolly: irexec to launch mythfrontend, but then you can't use the same button inside Myth (because it will start another copy of mythfrontend)
[07:13:03] Bolly: ah ok
[07:13:24] Bolly: atm the buttons Recorded TV, Guide, Live TV and DVD Menu don't seem to do anything inside mythfrontend
[07:13:28] sphery: Bolly: EPG from Guide button by creating a Jump Point (see MythControls/MythWeb keybindings editor) and mapping the key to the Guide button
[07:14:09] Bolly: in the wiki?
[07:15:04] hads: Or map it to 's'
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[07:16:37] Bolly: it seems to be mapped to S at the moment
[07:16:47] Bolly: but i am not sure if my microsoft remote button for Live Guide is the same
[07:17:12] sphery: S will only show the guide inside TV playback.
[07:17:32] Bolly: ah it seems Alt-G is the button
[07:17:33] hads: Or recorded
[07:17:43] sphery: that's TV playback :)
[07:18:01] hads: Fair enough
[07:18:35] LennonNZ: is there a working mythtv-stream type program working with latest stable mythtv?
[07:18:42] sphery: But it's better to say so explicitly than to assume (as I did) that someone getting started would know that.  :)
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[07:19:37] hads: Yeah, terminology around here can be confusing :)
[07:20:37] Bolly: so in the lircrc file how would i add a global mythtv launcer rule since the ones i have in there seem to have things like prog = mythtv
[07:20:42] sphery: Bolly: You can either have 2 buttons (one for guide outside playback and one for guide during playback) or you can map both the jump point and the TV playback keybinding to the same (i.e. 'S') and apply the last patch in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3642
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[07:21:25] sphery: prog = irexec / config = mythfrontend
[07:21:41] Bolly: ahh
[07:21:43] Bolly: thanks :-)
[07:21:55] Bolly: also, when in the EPG how do i get it to switch to that program rather than bring up information on it
[07:22:00] sphery: might need an absolute path depending on user's PATH env var.
[07:22:28] Bolly: i'll check my path thanks sphery
[07:23:06] hads: There's a setting for that last one somewhere.
[07:23:44] sphery: Use select to change the channel in the program guide
[07:23:44] sphery: If enabled, the Select key will change the channel while using the program guide during live TV. If disabled, the select key will bring up the recording options screen.
[07:24:05] Bolly: great!
[07:24:07] Bolly: i'll check that out now
[07:24:22] sphery: In "Program Guide (2/2)" under General settings (I think in the TV Playback settings area)
[07:25:36] Bolly: ok that's ticked, i'll go try it
[07:26:16] sphery: getting too late... I stopped my backend when commflagging of a 1hr show was at 97% (takes about 2 hours to flag a 1-hr show on my backend).
[07:26:17] Bolly: hmm no it's still bringing up recording information
[07:26:34] sphery: Oh well, it can start over from scratch when I finish my upgrade.
[07:27:01] Bolly: It's the 'OK' button that i should be using, right?
[07:27:30] hads: It really depends on your lircrc
[07:27:44] sphery: Record Threshold
[07:27:44] sphery: If the option to use Select to change the channel is on, pressing Select on a show that is at least this many minutes into the future will schedule a recording.~
[07:27:48] sphery: Same page
[07:28:44] sphery: Must be at the current time when you select or set that setting to a very large value.
[07:29:03] sphery: Default value is 16mins.
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[07:29:21] sphery: Max is 600 (so you could basically just select on the right channel)
[07:29:41] Bolly: hmm
[07:29:52] Bolly: so that is what is overwriting the option to select the channel?
[07:33:43] Bolly: ok so it works when i set the program guide to launch on Watch TV
[07:33:56] Bolly: but not when i launch the EPG normally (ie without the little preview window)
[07:35:00] Bolly: updated my binding to guide in live tv
[07:35:32] Bolly: works great ;)
[07:35:35] Bolly: thanks all
[07:36:15] Bolly: ooo another one
[07:36:18] Bolly: you're gonna hate me hehe
[07:36:26] Bolly: how can i get mythbackend to run all the time and not just when the frontend is running?
[07:36:27] sphery: Right. Only changes channel if you're already watching TV.
[07:36:45] Bolly: i am gonna check the wiki actually don't answer that
[07:36:49] sphery: start mythbackend at bootup (i.e. in init scripts) and don't stop it...
[07:36:52] sphery: What distro?
[07:36:57] Bolly: mythdora
[07:37:00] Bolly: which i think is fedora 5
[07:37:41] sphery: It should already be starting mythbackend on startup.
[07:37:55] sphery: Just don't shut down mythbackend and it will always run.
[07:38:05] Bolly: hmm
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[07:38:17] Bolly: when i close mythfrontend to run mythfilldatabase it says it's not running
[07:38:26] Bolly: works ok when i am in the frontend though
[07:38:45] sphery: Might be crashing when the frontend shuts down.
[07:39:08] sphery: How are you shutting down mythfrontend?
[07:39:23] Bolly: pressing the back button on my remomte
[07:39:28] Bolly: remote*
[07:39:48] sphery: With the exit keybinding (i.e. Esc/Alt-Esc/Ctrl-Esc--depending on the option you've chosen) to mythfrontend (versus calling a script to kill mythfrontend)
[07:40:00] sphery: Sounds like Esc
[07:40:22] Bolly: yeah i thiink it's escape
[07:40:38] sphery: Start everything up, verify the backend is running with "pidof mythbackend", then shut down frontend, then redo the pidof
[07:40:44] sphery: See if it's crashing.
[07:41:38] Bolly: hmm yeah
[07:41:41] Bolly: it's still running
[07:41:56] Bolly: mythfilldatabase is working fine too
[07:42:15] Bolly: weird! :-) i must have done something wrong before
[07:43:08] sphery: Maybe it was something else that caused it to crash.
[07:43:26] sphery: Anyway, glad its working.
[07:44:39] Bolly: me too
[07:44:41] Bolly: thanks bud
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[08:06:30] juski: bah. Dapper doesn't have a package for FileZilla :(
[08:07:48] juski: no problem. just download the source!
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[08:09:21] sphery: I always thought FileZilla was just a plugin for Mozilla-based browsers. Didn't realize it was a separate app.
[08:11:26] achew22: I remember some time ago looking into IPTV in MythTV with MythNetTV. I also remember there is a recording device that eludes to some kind of IPTV features. Has any progress towards that been made?
[08:14:47] sphery: I think there's official IPTV support in SVN trunk, though I don't think it's "Generic"--support exists for specific IPTV services (and I think the code was provided by the service providers). But, I have no use for it, so I haven't looked into it.
[08:15:06] sphery: So I may be completely wrong...
[08:15:23] achew22: I'm interested in getting the rss feed ones (diggnation systm dl.tv) is MythNetTV my only option?
[08:16:30] achew22: I don't know if those are classified as IPTV since they are downloaded
[08:16:46] achew22: I think they are since they are television transmitted in packets, but I'm not sure on the difference
[08:17:49] juski: try svn mythnews :)
[08:18:03] achew22: juski is that new?
[08:18:17] achew22: will it add it to recorded programs?
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[08:24:56] SiD3WiNDR: hmyeah
[08:25:09] SiD3WiNDR: I wonder how hard it is for mythtv to have zattoo support
[08:25:11] SiD3WiNDR: that would be nice
[08:26:17] anykey_: SiD3WiNDR: you don't want to watch zattoo ond a 32" inch screen ;)
[08:26:42] SiD3WiNDR: hmm
[08:26:45] SiD3WiNDR: you may have a point there
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[08:29:08] juski: bah. IPTV all sucks anyway
[08:29:16] juski: blocko-vision (tm)
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[08:30:12] juski: anyway FWIW, the feeds in mythnews can't show up as recorded shows. why the hell would you want crappy RSS TV to show up in recordings? crazy talk
[08:31:04] juski: all it needs is for somebody to write a plugin. not that there's a queue of people lining up to do it of course :P
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[08:59:31] juski: ducking bunch of ducking useless ducking wankers. so-called assembly plant can't even program a ducking board
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[09:15:20] ** SiD3WiNDR ducks **
[09:16:37] juski: next thing I send out to them will be a nice parcel full of anthrax. ducking lazy ducks!
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[09:33:10] grokky: Hi All, I have been lazy. I have a frontend/backend combined system. when I setup I used the defaults, localhost for dbserver, locahost.localhost for identifier etc.
[09:33:22] grokky: I want to add a frontend. Can I simply add the new frontend permissions into mysql and point the new frontend at the existing backend?
[09:33:28] juski: nope
[09:33:32] grokky: The original frontend would have its preferences in the db as localhost.localdomain and the new fe would be whatever.domain etc? Or is there more to be done?
[09:33:54] juski: stop the backend & tell it to run on the external IP address (the LAN address) of the box
[09:33:55] grokky: I was afriad so. Can you point me to some doco juski?
[09:34:01] juski: www.mythtv.org
[09:34:39] grokky: hehe. I must be having a dumb day as I couldnt really find it on the wiki
[09:34:47] directhex|work: it's step 1 of mythtv-setup
[09:35:15] directhex|work: on some distros, you also need to ensure mysql isn't binding to 127.0.0.1
[09:35:55] grokky: My concerns was mainly that changing the hostname of a system is a PITA. localhost.localdomain is *everywhere* through the DB, so I was concerned this might be similar.
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[09:36:43] grokky: If its just a matter of changing mysql, mysql perms, changin mythtv-setup for the backand and pointing the new fe at it, I'm laughing.
[09:38:19] juski: don't just change mythtv-setup. STOP the backend, change mythtv-setup, then restart the backend
[09:38:56] rooaus: grokky: Did you install from source or packages?
[09:39:51] rooaus: if you installed from source the howto docs are in mythtv/docs and there is a handy single html file you can search with your browser.
[09:40:07] grokky: juski: yep. I was just after the general proccess and any major gotchas in case there was something nasty I was missing.
[09:40:25] grokky: rooaus: SVN trunk.
[09:40:37] juski: for the log it's important to be specific
[09:41:39] grokky: juski: good point. noted.
[09:43:21] rooaus: grokky: Cool, I think the online docs ( linked from www.mythtv.org ) are the "chapterised" html.
[09:46:34] grokky: thanks all. I'll give it a bash. I've been meaning to do this awhile (ever since I got a shiny mac book pro 17" but I've been too lazy to make the changes on a production system and have to roll back the DB or something if I stuff it. I'll give it a whirl and see how we go. Not much on tv tonight anyway.
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[09:52:17] juski: woo seems I'm not the only one experiencing problems playing back freeview recordings with AD streams & xvmc :)
[09:54:32] rooaus: juski: Is that on the epia?
[09:54:54] juski: yeah but folks are experiencing the problem on non-epia hardware too :)
[09:55:02] juski: xvmc related
[09:55:04] directhex|work: i had issues with XvMC enabled watching some beeb recordings
[09:55:14] juski: it's cos of the stupid AD track
[09:55:14] directhex|work: on my dual-core 3ghz machine
[09:55:22] juski: rmove the AD track & all is well
[09:55:34] juski: CPU usage is 25% but it's all prebufferring pauses
[09:55:47] juski: the damndest thing
[09:55:56] directhex|work: FILE TEH BUG!
[09:56:12] juski: strange thing is if you select the AD stream during playback, it's non-jumpy
[09:56:41] rooaus: ah, I was going to say I am glad I never bought an epia, came very close though :)
[09:56:46] ** juski refuses to file the bug. there's no decent evidence of it **
[09:57:28] directhex|work: juski, it happened to me! proof enough!
[09:57:36] juski: running a recording through ffmpeg to remove the AD track also has other side effects which might be a factor
[09:58:25] juski: whether it affects the Internal player with multiple audio on DVDs isn't known
[09:59:27] juski: I mean yeah stripping the AD track out might cure recordings, but I wouldn't mind one day using the INternal player for DVD
[10:00:33] directhex|work: Internal is a nice goal
[10:00:43] directhex|work: i wish it didn't suck for ogm though
[10:00:54] juski: I wonder if the playback timing code is sometimes picking the wrong audio stream timecode...
[10:01:12] Dibblah: Set video as a timebase.
[10:01:25] juski: doesn't make any difference
[10:01:37] Dibblah: It's not likely to be that, then.
[10:01:48] juski: anyway it sucks
[10:02:17] juski: wouldn't be a problem if the epia would play sdtv without xvmc :)
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[11:20:08] directhex|work: what's DVB-C terminology for a multiplex?
[11:20:20] anykey_: transport iirc
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[11:21:33] juski: muhahaha http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/02/james . . . ons_revenge/
[11:21:55] juski: transport/transponder
[11:22:49] directhex|work: what're the headline features due in 0.21 versus 0.20? flash-based streaming in mythweb, multirec, upnp discovery, anything else?
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[11:23:28] anykey_: directhex|work: multirec isn't yet available
[11:23:34] directhex|work: anykey_, i know that
[11:23:39] anykey_: directhex|work: mythtv-vid, storage groups
[11:23:56] Dibblah: Watch list, I think went in after .20...
[11:23:57] directhex|work: anykey_, i'm still not clear on what mythtv-vid does that's exciting
[11:23:58] siXy: what is multirec?
[11:24:07] rooaus: directhex|work: Accelerated pip (was merged into -vid the other day)
[11:24:08] juski: the -vid merge directhex|work
[11:24:27] Dibblah: directhex|work: Different settings for different video resolutions.
[11:24:33] directhex|work: safe to say there'll be another ffmpeg merge?
[11:24:33] juski: rooaus: what's accelerated pap? the squits?
[11:24:54] laga: directhex|work: opengl video rendering, some additional deinterlaces (mostly frame doublers for the opengl video renderer etc)
[11:24:58] Dibblah: XVMC for HD, XV blit for SD, etc.
[11:25:15] juski: mmm blit :)
[11:25:26] rooaus: juski: You made me check what I typed twice :)
[11:25:27] Dibblah: juski: Accelerated preview window.
[11:25:28] juski: anyway who the hell is writing this article? you or us? :P
[11:25:33] rooaus: lol
[11:25:35] directhex|work: Dibblah, clever, but hard to dress up as "exciting"
[11:25:54] Dibblah: It's very easy to dress up as exciting.
[11:26:05] Dibblah: Suspenders, silk knickers,...
[11:26:07] juski: ZOMGNEWFEATURE!¬
[11:26:22] Dibblah: Of course, it doesn't work as well for me as it does for the GF.
[11:26:29] Dibblah: (Not grapefruit)
[11:27:16] juski: just get a dog. you'll soon be too tired for any of that
[11:28:04] laga: directhex|work: check the 0.21 changelog in the wiki
[11:28:32] Dibblah: juski: Thanks, I'd rather not ;)
[11:29:25] Dibblah: directhex|work: Undelete.
[11:29:59] juski: more like (pretendy) delete :)
[11:30:27] Dibblah: Exit-liveTV-on-idle
[11:30:58] Dibblah: Libvisual visualisations
[11:31:02] directhex|work: see, there's no mention of undelete in the 0.21 changelog on the wiki!
[11:31:17] juski: teach users not to press too many buttons by crashing
[11:31:27] Dibblah: Mythweb remote control
[11:32:57] Dibblah: When was .20 again? :)
[11:33:09] Dibblah: Zoneminder ISTR was after release...
[11:33:10] directhex|work: Dibblah, yonks ago!
[11:33:43] juski: progress indicator in mythmusic :D
[11:34:08] directhex|work: that'll do now i think. gotta avoid information overload.
[11:34:21] juski: delete wife's shows 'by accident'
[11:34:56] Dibblah: directhex|work: Update the wiki. ;)
[11:36:22] directhex|work: Dibblah, it's in my best interests not to – not yet anyway
[11:37:41] Dibblah: Uhuh? Riiight.
[11:38:27] rooaus: directhex|work: Mythtv is a great creeper app, the best part is the scheduler and the integration other services like music, video, gallery etc. The more you use it the more you appreciate it.
[11:39:06] rooaus: Mythtv, the best application you never knew you needed!
[11:39:12] directhex|work: rooaus, i've been using it full-time since 2005
[11:40:47] Dibblah: Wow. You should really take a break. Badda boom.
[11:41:29] rooaus: directhex|work: I realise that, I meant the exciting (grab there attention the first time they see it) part is a difficult sell.
[11:42:03] directhex|work: i like to insult their manliness. works well.
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[11:44:16] rooaus: Most people I know seem to flip out over the schedule from the mobile phone via mythweb, but then that isn't new to 0.21.
[11:44:51] mikeones: will mythweb do mythmusic?
[11:45:10] rooaus: mikeones: yes
[11:45:10] directhex|work: mythweb displays on a mobile?
[11:45:49] rooaus: directhex|work: Yeah, does browser detection and uses a different set of templates.
[11:46:02] directhex|work: hey, cool!
[11:46:21] mikeones: errr mythmusic needs some help to compite on a x86_64 system?
[11:46:32] mikeones: *complie
[11:46:55] directhex|work: it does?
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[11:48:25] rooaus: mikeones: Are you experiencing a specific problem...?
[11:48:34] mikeones: I always get this MythMusic plugin will not be built
[11:48:51] mikeones: but i have installed all dicrepencies
[11:49:22] rooaus: maybe you have a discrepancy in your dependencies :)
[11:49:31] rooaus: what distro?
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[11:51:48] mikeones: opps I was missing apt-get install libtagc0 what is that?
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[11:52:24] juski: id3tag library of course
[11:53:03] mikeones: I ment MythMusic requires taglib.
[11:53:16] directhex|work: apt-get build-dep mythvideo
[11:53:17] ** juski fails to see the reason in bringing yet more whiny users to mythtv **
[11:53:41] directhex|work: juski, wives?
[11:53:45] juski: need more devs, not users :)
[11:54:48] rooaus: mikeones: There is a wiki page on dependencies when building from source, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Dependen . . . om_source%29
[11:55:13] laga: juski: hey, in your chanwiz thingy, are you parsing html?
[11:55:22] juski: nope
[11:55:28] mikeones: apt-get build-dep mythvideo
[11:55:28] mikeones: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:55:51] juski: mikeones: apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins covers most stuff
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[11:57:47] mikeones: juski: I have done that also.
[11:57:49] juski: laga: I initially parsed html to put the initial xml data together, but it was messy & different for every lineup
[11:58:02] mikeones: rooaus: thanks for thelink
[11:59:14] laga: juski: k
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[12:10:29] juski: I wish people wouldn't talk about illegal $stuff on the -users list
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[12:11:29] directhex|work: juski, you mean installing libdvdcss2? :o
[12:11:42] juski: no I mean the Dragon thing
[12:12:33] directhex|work: oh, sky
[12:12:42] juski: or Freesat
[12:12:47] directhex|work: i don't see the point, given the skybox still needs to phone home
[12:13:13] directhex|work: freesat needs a CAM now?
[12:13:23] juski: always has
[12:13:40] juski: to get C4, C5, FiveLife & FiveUS
[12:13:44] directhex|work: this is "freesat from sky" being talked about then
[12:13:52] directhex|work: which is still sky, so still has sky TOS
[12:14:34] juski: I enjoyed hearing that the competition commission are looking at ways to punish Sly for their stake in ITV :)
[12:15:13] directhex|work: i wonder if the beeb's freesat service will still live on astra2
[12:15:37] juski: probably, since they pay astra for carriage, not Sly
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[12:15:51] directhex|work: moving away from 28E would be a declaration of war
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[12:16:34] directhex|work: i wonder whether their freesat service will prompt some competition in the uk though. we can but hope
[12:17:04] juski: what competition? freeview vs freesat? Freeview offers more content worth watching
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[12:17:18] juski: the only places it'll win over freeview is where there's no freeview signal
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[12:18:51] juski: huh? virgin1 launched already?
[12:18:54] directhex|work: i meant non-sky versus sky
[12:19:19] juski: you can either give all your money to the theiving c**** or not :)
[12:19:37] directhex|work: i really don't mind the thought of paying sky for a subscription
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[12:19:45] directhex|work: i mind the thought of paying sky for a subscription to use a skybox
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[12:20:05] directhex|work: if they would sell me a NDS CAM, i'd sign up
[12:20:12] juski: yeah same here, other than the ever increasing costs
[12:20:30] juski: well and the lack of decent programming
[12:20:41] juski: Sly Movies – 90% of them are 2 stars or less
[12:20:41] directhex|work: there's some high-WAF stuff on there
[12:21:11] juski: I feel sorry for you then :)
[12:22:13] juski: other than _her_ soaps our mythbox records stuff we both like in general, which thankfully is quite a lot
[12:23:17] ** laga hates the stuff the GF watches **
[12:23:22] laga: i _despise_ it.
[12:23:34] laga: so she'll get her own myth box. at _her_ place.
[12:24:59] juski: I weaned her off Heartbeat & The Royal :D
[12:25:35] juski: and those ITV drama things might be predictable but never anywhere near as bad as Eastybenders
[12:26:43] laga: seriously, some TV programming out there makes me wanna kill people with a rusty spork
[12:27:09] ** juski sings the "Neighbours" theme tune for laga **
[12:28:36] rooaus: juski: Sorry about that, I would have thought the Geneva convention would have stopped us exporting it. :)
[12:29:38] juski: mind that was never as bad as 'Hoime' & Away IMHO ;)
[12:29:45] juski: scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/uk-WinterHill > 2nd-oct.conf
[12:29:48] juski: arse
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[12:30:27] rooaus: oh shit... do they export that as well?
[12:30:54] juski: yup
[12:31:20] juski: still though, H&A has a long way to go before it gets as bad as Prisoner Cell Block H
[12:31:37] rooaus: heh
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[12:33:30] juski: ducking duck. all the radio channel serviceIDs have changed
[12:35:36] juski: why the hell do the serviceIDs of channels have to change?
[12:38:01] laga: just becuase
[12:38:03] laga: because*
[12:39:22] juski: here goes nowt. full scan of existing transports
[12:40:36] directhex|work: juski, when did that change happen? O_o
[12:40:37] laga: which will add lots of crap you dont want.. ;)
[12:40:55] juski: directhex|work: yesterday
[12:41:03] juski: abc1 is off the air now too
[12:41:15] directhex|work: fuck, i'm recording things for the neighbors whilst they're on holiday :|
[12:42:15] juski: all my 'book of the week' recordings have failed
[12:42:52] laga: in order to parse HTML with PERL, you have to read documentation :/
[12:43:11] juski: laga: just blast it with regex :)
[12:45:00] laga: bah
[12:45:03] laga: you are evil
[12:45:04] directhex|work: screen scraping is evil!
[12:45:08] laga: although it can work in this case
[12:45:21] directhex|work: actually, i parse HTML with c# for a tool i wrote to track ubuntu mythtv package updates
[12:45:38] juski: I met a guy at lrl last year who could parse any site in about 30 secs
[12:45:56] laga: did you kidnap him by any chance?
[12:46:00] directhex|work: even a site written entirely in javascript?
[12:46:22] directhex|work: (i've seen sites which don't contain any html per se – the html is all written using document.write)
[12:47:26] juski: heh well the only people I've ever kidnapped have only ever been in my imagination ;)
[12:48:44] laga: Data::Dumper is scary
[12:49:17] laga: screw it. i'm gonna use some simple regexes
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[12:56:07] juski: woo Fresh Prince of Bel End is on Virgin1
[12:56:37] directhex|work: urgh :|
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[13:02:34] quicksilver: laga: "Some people, when face with a problem, decide to use regexes. Now they have two problems."
[13:04:51] laga: quicksilver: true. but it's a quick hack, so no worries.
[13:13:51] juski: mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv -e "DELETE FROM channel WHERE name LIKE '%ABC1%';"
[13:13:55] juski: arghh
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[13:20:09] juski: I think I'm gonna put my (cough) box in the bin this weekend
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[13:20:32] juski: might also be time to add a 3rd freeview tuner to my backend
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[13:20:47] juski: got one not doing anything, so might aswell
[13:20:55] directhex|work: is the nova-t 500 ready for general use yet?
[13:21:38] juski: yes, if by 'general use' you mean willing to use a bleeding edge kernel
[13:21:51] juski: er.. sorry very new!
[13:21:51] SiD3WiNDR: how about a hvr1300?
[13:22:20] juski: apparently yeah but I'd not pee on a hybrid card if it was on fire
[13:22:26] SiD3WiNDR: :]
[13:22:41] juski: neither nowt nor something those things
[13:22:45] SiD3WiNDR: a store here is selling hvr1300 for 50 eur
[13:22:50] SiD3WiNDR: vs 120 usually
[13:22:54] juski: better off with 2 cards
[13:22:58] juski: get 2 then :)
[13:23:30] rooaus: juski: I wouldn't pee on any electrical device if it was on fire ;)
[13:23:31] siXy: SiD3WiNDR: Ive had a hvr (not sure which model) working in myth before – although I have to say i wasnt amazed by it
[13:24:01] SiD3WiNDR: juski: well, as it's only got one coax I'm not into switching cabling stuff behind the backend or something :p
[13:24:01] juski: hybrid tuners are pretty lame IMHO
[13:24:12] SiD3WiNDR: but it's still a cheap dvb-t card with hw encoder
[13:24:20] SiD3WiNDR: as now I have a framegrabber dvb-t
[13:24:21] juski: woo I can record analogue OR digital :-\
[13:24:22] siXy: currently my favourite budget card is the wintv dtv1000-t
[13:24:36] SiD3WiNDR: only the encoder wasn't supported under linux last week ;/
[13:24:43] juski: my eyes burn at the sight of 'wintv'
[13:24:57] siXy: lol :)
[13:25:20] siXy:
[13:25:42] juski: I've got the same card only without the video inputs
[13:26:01] juski: leadtek lr6650.. three of them from ebay, all for less than £20 each
[13:26:16] anykey_: SiD3WiNDR: a framegrabbing DVB-T card?! I thought DVB-T was always MPEG2?
[13:26:23] SiD3WiNDR: hmm
[13:26:26] SiD3WiNDR: good point anykey_
[13:26:30] SiD3WiNDR: lol
[13:26:44] SiD3WiNDR: yeah, it's framegrabber for analog
[13:26:47] juski: anykey_: the interface to the PCI bus is almost always a framegrabbing video decoder
[13:26:47] SiD3WiNDR: which indeed isn't connected :p
[13:26:59] SiD3WiNDR: but hmm
[13:27:05] SiD3WiNDR: yeah, I think it's still framegrabber for dvb-t too
[13:27:09] SiD3WiNDR: not too sure though.
[13:27:10] juski: it's not
[13:27:15] directhex|work: SiD3WiNDR, i sincerely doubt it
[13:27:21] juski: dvb-t comes in whatever format it comes in – mpeg
[13:27:24] SiD3WiNDR: okay
[13:27:31] directhex|work: MPEG-TS
[13:27:36] SiD3WiNDR: so then the hauppauge wouldn't really have an edge over my current pinnacle
[13:27:43] directhex|work: for digital? no
[13:27:55] SiD3WiNDR: yeah, I have a pvr500 for analog
[13:28:01] siXy: juski leadtek lr6650 == wintv dtv1000-t
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[13:28:07] juski: the hvr1300 on the other hand, does digital AND analogue AND encodes the analogue to mpeg2
[13:28:15] juski: siXy: nope
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[13:28:31] juski: siXy: they're essentially the same only the lr6650 doesn't have video inputs
[13:28:42] janneg: but not simultaneously
[13:28:44] juski: same chipsets & all though
[13:29:01] siXy: oh ok :) apologies then
[13:29:43] juski: janneg: exactly my beef with hybrid tuners
[13:31:46] directhex|work: they don't both work at once? O_o
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[13:31:49] directhex|work: what's the point then?
[13:31:58] juski: directhex|work: EXACTLY!
[13:32:49] directhex|work: right, my article needs checking over for wrongness and/or points of confusion
[13:32:50] siXy: one that did FM and dvb hybrid would have a point – if there was a useable MythFM (which there might be actually...)
[13:33:09] juski: siXy: FM? bah. dvb radio ftw!
[13:33:40] juski: mythfm should be left to rot
[13:33:57] siXy: Hmm... I find DVB radio to be less than stellar in low signal – i prefer slighlty fuzzy signal to signal that comes and goes
[13:34:15] juski: get a better siognal then
[13:34:20] directhex|work: signal that comes & goes is *protecting* you!
[13:34:37] directhex|work: it's the computer going "know what? this is really shit, mate. i'm gonna spare your ears"
[13:35:07] siXy: yeah I know this :) and i would improve my signal if I cared enough – I just stick with the FM reciever on my AV amp
[13:35:21] directhex|work: i get 0 signal from mine, for some reason
[13:35:30] siXy: s/amp/reciever for the nitpickers out there :P
[13:35:31] juski: but if the radio breaks up it can't be good for your tv
[13:36:04] directhex|work: siXy, does it amplify?
[13:36:27] siXy: does what amplify?
[13:36:42] directhex|work: your av amp^Wreceiver
[13:37:16] siXy: yes. but true pedants would point out that in the hifi world a ampilfier / radio in one box is called a reciever
[13:37:37] juski: I might end up with a pvr150 to get rid of this weekend :)
[13:38:19] juski: the thing it's attached to is becoming a crashy waste of space
[13:38:26] juski: er.. _more_ crashy
[13:38:26] directhex|work: tell them to *gently caress* themselves with a $7250 hi-fi cable
[13:38:42] laga: juski: low-profile by any chance?
[13:38:43] siXy: directhex|work: lmao
[13:39:00] juski: directhex|work: true hifi pedants use nothing less than diamond-coated oxygen-free air
[13:39:21] directhex|work: so. anyone feel like reading my article before i start preparing it for publication?
[13:39:25] siXy: sure
[13:39:26] juski: laga: *box2
[13:39:55] rooaus: directhex|work: Sure, if you like... where are you publishing?
[13:40:09] laga: juski: the pvr 150 i mean
[13:40:24] juski: laga: dunno if it's low profile or not actually
[13:40:37] directhex|work: rooaus, hexus.net
[13:40:37] juski: I've only ever seen it for about 5 minutes :)
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[13:42:22] juski: ah! the _original_ Battlestar Galactica! on Virgin1 come Saturday :)
[13:42:47] rooaus: directhex|work: ok, if you want I can have a look at it, from a users (for a number of years) point of view
[13:43:20] juski: mythtv is 3 in our house soon
[13:44:16] laga: gah, my regexes just broke
[13:45:38] rooaus: not sure exactly how old here, as few upgrades I just blew the DB away. Mythweb recording stats only show "First recording: Thursday February 2nd, 2006", that was the last clean install.
[13:47:30] juski: well, I joined mythtvtalk in late october 2004 or something
[13:47:55] juski: HELP MYTHTV NO WORK!
[13:48:08] laga: heh
[13:48:15] laga: it's been a long time
[13:48:56] juski: yeah it's a hard habit to break :)
[13:49:17] laga: heh
[13:49:23] juski: still, an average of 2 themes per year
[13:49:24] laga: just wish i#d actually use mythtv. ;)
[13:49:37] rooaus: Mythtv introduced me to gentoo, figured I already was having to compile a kernel myself so why not the whole system.
[13:49:39] juski: wooo Seinfeld on Virgin1 too
[13:50:44] laga: and i wish stuff would stop breaking. i need to live by "never touch a running system"
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[13:51:11] anykey_: Does mythtv need qt compiled with opengl functions no matter if I compile mythtv with --enable-opengl?
[13:51:30] juski: anykey_: don't think so. mythtv uses opengl libraries,not qt's opengl
[13:51:48] anykey_: ok
[13:52:22] ** juski wonders how the doggy is today. hopefully no mess when I get home **
[13:52:27] juski: poor guy
[13:53:26] rooaus: laga: heh, I have just finished migrating an LVM (across 2 disks) to a 750G drive in a machine that is extremely fussy about which drives it would recognise on particular sata ports in between recordings by booting to a recovery cd. Stupid idea!
[13:53:38] laga: rooaus: :/
[13:54:12] laga: rooaus: i upgraded my mostly-working nvidia tv out setup to a ATI card. they broke interlacing in the free radeon driver somewhere between ubuntu feisty and ubuntu gutsy.
[13:54:19] laga: and it takes a lot of time to track down the problem :/
[13:54:23] janneg: juski: no, we are using opengl through qt. for the opengl painter you need opengl enabled qt
[13:54:30] janneg: anykey_: ^^^
[13:54:46] anykey_: janneg: I dont want to use the frontend. so I don't need qt with opengl?
[13:55:05] juski: janneg: not what I was told a while ago :-\
[13:56:25] rooaus: laga: Where would the fun be if we all had staging *and* production platforms?
[13:56:44] laga: rooaus: heh ;)
[13:57:59] janneg: juski: I'm not sure. who told you?
[13:59:03] juski: janneg: think it might've been chutt
[13:59:33] juski: might've read it wrong though
[14:02:28] janneg: we use QGLWidget in libmythui, but the opengl painter is only build if opengl is enabled
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[14:16:31] zntneo: sigh, i can't get nfs to work
[14:17:06] zntneo: can anyone help?
[14:17:16] juski: zntneo: try #linux101
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[14:24:22] juski: ffs even MORE talk of illegal $hite on the -users list. can we not do something about it?
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[14:29:06] directhex|work: juski, sure. legalize use of DRAGON CAMs!
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[14:30:22] laga: dragon cams are probably legal. it's the different firmware ;)
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[14:36:15] juski: not that either – talk of (ahem)CAMs & dreamboc#x in the same sentence
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[14:38:10] ** juski votes for people who talk about borderline illegal crap on the mailing lists be banned **
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[14:40:40] laga: we could ban borderline people from the internet as well, but that'd affect too many people...
[14:43:36] juski: people talk about (cough) dodgy stuff as if there's no possible illegal use when infact you really have to reach to find _legal_ applications
[14:44:24] Zathraz: Hi. I run MythTv 0.20 on Debian Etch on an EPIA. I have 2 TV cards, one being a PVR-350. I use this card for recording and playback. The mobo onboard sound is used a sound out through ALSA. This works fine when playing music with MythTV, but no sound when watching or replaying TV/movies. It used to work fine a long time ago with 0.19. Any ideas?
[14:45:14] juski: need to loop the pvr350 audio out into the line input of your soundcard?
[14:45:32] juski: s/soundcard/onboard sound
[14:46:58] Zathraz: no. Used told MythTV to use a certain ALSA device. I never looped sound I/O. Should be sufficiant imho
[14:47:58] juski: I don't think that's possible if you use the pvr350's onboard decoder
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[14:52:08] laga: juski: the dreambox is perfectly legal and a nice dvb receiver IMHO
[14:52:10] laga: *shrug*
[14:52:39] |Torg|: as long as you dont use teh CA
[14:52:45] juski: not in the UK it aint
[14:53:13] |Torg|: whay cant you use it to get FTA stations?
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[14:53:49] juski: well yeah – but there aren't many of them worth watching & it's hardly worth the investment
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[14:54:14] |Torg|: juski I can make the same argument for US satalite
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[14:56:32] shingalated: Is it possible to disable the livetv feature, it is giving me about 5 seconds lag which is far too much too play video games from my ps2 I have connected.
[14:56:48] |Torg|: disable, no. Ide yes
[14:56:59] |Torg|: then again if you were to hide it, why not just ignore it
[14:57:08] siXy: comment it out of the xml menu?
[14:57:18] |Torg|: siXy: exactly
[14:57:23] laga: mythtv is the wrong app for your problem
[14:57:26] siXy: oh do you mean you just want 0s latency video throughput?
[14:57:33] shingalated: I want it so it doesn't prerecord things while I am watch
[14:57:38] shingalated: yeah 0 latency
[14:57:39] juski: shingalated: get a crappy framegrabber & make a menu item launch tvtime :)
[14:57:44] siXy:
[14:57:45] |Torg|: I think he is saying he wants to use a mythtv system as a video switch
[14:57:54] |Torg|: umm there is a device that does that, its called a video switch
[14:58:17] juski: mythtv has never let you watch anything without recording it
[14:58:49] siXy: putting it through a computer is always gonna introduce latency. video switches can be obtained for virtually nothing these days.
[14:58:51] shingalated: well do you know a program that does?
[14:59:08] |Torg|: no program
[14:59:12] juski: shingalated: tvtime, but that doesn't work with a lot of tuners
[14:59:14] GreyFoxx: If you have a regular framegrabber / bttv card you can use xawtv
[14:59:16] shingalated: I have an ivtv card though
[14:59:21] GreyFoxx: then nothing will
[14:59:23] juski: shingalated: awwww
[14:59:34] shingalated: yeahhhh
[14:59:41] shingalated: well thanks anyways
[14:59:47] shingalated: I will look into the video switch
[14:59:53] |Torg|: to introdoce signal down to a tuner card, then across a bus, then into a processor, then back out the bus will cause latency
[14:59:54] juski: :)
[15:00:01] |Torg|: dump input to input an you wil stil get latency
[15:00:10] juski: that way you won't waste a tuner that could be recording TV while you play games :)
[15:00:14] |Torg|: want no latency, skip the bus and cpu. Its called a switch
[15:00:41] juski: framegrabbers don't introduce much latency. maybe one video frame
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[15:01:19] juski: well, time to go home
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[15:18:46] Ryushin: I'd like to share some HD programming with my friend. But HD is so large I'm looking to move it to H.264 so I can transfer it to his myth box over the internet.
[15:19:01] Ryushin: On idea when if we're going to see h.264 in myth?
[15:19:28] Dibblah: If you'd just asked the second question, people would be more inclined to help.
[15:19:53] Dibblah: However, "h.264" is already in Myth.
[15:19:59] laga: h.264 is already supported.
[15:20:12] Dibblah: Of various types.
[15:20:23] Dibblah: More on each ffmpeg sync, generally.
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[15:22:52] rooaus: nite all
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[15:27:48] |Torg|: converting h262 to h264 can be done with CPU and software. ALLOT of CPU, but you should not share them after you do
[15:29:42] |Torg|: laga: can you play h264 reliably?
[15:29:50] laga: i dont have h264 content
[15:30:06] |Torg|: I have a few ts streams but it chokes my FE to death
[15:30:39] directhex|work: wait until the next ffmpeg merge
[15:30:51] |Torg|: Im just wodering if anyone can sucuessfully pay 1080I h264 in software alone
[15:31:08] directhex|work: wait until the next ffmpeg merge
[15:31:24] |Torg|: ok directhex|work, is it in beta now?
[15:31:43] directhex|work: is what in beta?
[15:31:58] |Torg|: ffmpeg that can do 1080 h264 realiably
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[15:32:21] |Torg|: i.e. can I download sorce code and compile it
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[15:33:17] directhex|work: multithreaded h264 decoding is in, so any dual-core cpu should be fine
[15:33:35] laga: directhex|work: in ffmpeg? cool!
[15:33:45] laga: directhex|work: that means it's in mplayer trunk as well, right?
[15:33:46] |Torg|: mutithreading as of what version?
[15:33:59] |Torg|: if it is laga, its not working
[15:34:20] |Torg|: but ffmpeg is seperate from mythtv, its compiled against it
[15:34:24] laga: tomimo: it'll work only with braodcasted stuff, IIRC. self-encoded h264 files lack slices or sumthing. i forgot the details
[15:34:31] |Torg|: so Im thinking I need to recompile ffmpg, not myth
[15:34:45] directhex|work: |Torg|, myth includes a private copy of the ffmpeg source
[15:34:54] directhex|work: it does not use a system ffmpeg
[15:34:55] |Torg|: I have a BBC ts stream that is 1080I
[15:34:58] laga: err, i meant |Torg|
[15:35:05] laga: ffs, i hate those stupid pipes.
[15:35:16] |Torg|: I know laga, you do it most of the time :P
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[15:35:43] |Torg|: but ffmpeg is not mutitrheaded unless it it was merged withint eh last two weeks
[15:35:49] directhex|work: "- Slice-based parallel H.264 decoding"
[15:35:53] laga: directhex|work: cool
[15:35:59] laga: i'm gonna compile mplayer trunk then
[15:36:00] |Torg|: in fact the newer trunk cose is SLOWER
[15:36:01] directhex|work: http://ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu/changelog.html
[15:36:19] |Torg|: ok directhex|work I belive you, but what version of mythtv has that code in it?
[15:36:28] directhex|work: |Torg|, none of them. yet.
[15:36:58] |Torg|: where is patch then, I can most surely apply it by hand
[15:37:25] laga: .oO(..)
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[15:38:40] directhex|work: ffmpeg r10407 was the first commit with parallel h264 decoding
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[15:39:10] |Torg|: im runnign 14490, so it must not be working
[15:39:39] laga: |Torg|: get it in your head that there is a different between the mythtv svn repo and the ffmpeg svn repo
[15:39:57] |Torg|: laga I understand that
[15:39:59] laga: s/different/difference/
[15:40:17] |Torg|: at first I was simply going to recompile ffmpeg, when directhex said its already in mythtv.
[15:40:23] |Torg|: so im thinking I need to recompile mythtv
[15:40:39] |Torg|: in any case I have svn head at 14490 and I assure you it is single threded
[15:40:45] laga: ffmpeg is in mythtv. however, mythtv has a version of ffmpeg where multithreaded decoding is not working yet
[15:41:07] |Torg|: Im perfectly happy to downlad etiehr and recompile it, just I would like to know what to download
[15:41:19] |Torg|: Im perfectly happy to go patch it
[15:41:29] directhex|work: |Torg|, mythtv has a private copy of ffmpeg's source code, a revision thereof which is a little old
[15:41:32] |Torg|: and hell if yo even tell me where its broke I may just go fix it myself
[15:41:42] laga: you need to do some research first :P janne osted a multithreaded decoding patch for myth a while back, but it probably doesn't apply cleanly anymore
[15:41:52] laga: IT IS NOT BROKEN
[15:41:54] laga: IT IS NOT INCLUDED
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[15:41:58] laga: FOR FUCKS SAKE!
[15:42:02] directhex|work: |Torg|, you would need to recompile mythtv, having merged the latest ffmpeg trunk into it first
[15:42:03] laga: *cough*
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[15:42:26] |Torg|: ok mine is single trhreaded and I dinnt do anything other then apply some SDT patches
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[15:42:37] ** directhex|work thinks |Torg| still doesn't comprehend **
[15:42:50] laga: |Torg|: ŝo.
[15:43:10] laga: |Torg|: someone made a patch. against ffmpeg. to support multithreaded decoding. this patch is not in mythtv's copy of ffmpeg.
[15:43:29] |Torg|: yes laga, I get it, im looking though trac right now
[15:43:48] directhex|work: mythtv has, BUILT IN, ffmpeg r8742
[15:44:16] directhex|work: mythtv would need, BUILT IN, ffmpeg r10407 or higher, in order to do multithreaded h264 decoding
[15:45:39] directhex|work: and you can't just copy-paste the libavcodec source folder in, as mythtv's fuilt-in ffmpeg code is patched up
[15:46:02] directhex|work: you'd need to sidewaysport those patches to the newest ffmpeg. that's why ffmpeg merges are relatively infrequent – it's hard to do
[15:46:16] |Torg|: yes directhex|work I fully understnad that, I could however run diff against it, merge it by hand or hell use vi and type in code from antoehr window
[15:46:28] |Torg|: I dont know how difficult this is, I havnt looked
[15:46:32] |Torg|: I simply asked some questions
[15:46:42] laga: you can just wait for the next ffmpeg sync ;)
[15:46:49] |Torg|: which will be?
[15:47:08] |Torg|: and yes laga I aprecate I may be looking at duplicate work that can I can simply wait for
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[15:53:26] |Torg|: intersting enough it seems al the opttions for threadding were desaibled in configure
[15:56:53] directhex|work: which configure?
[15:57:12] |Torg|: main under mythtv
[15:57:30] |Torg|: Im reading some of the comments about how optmizaition breaks, etc
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[16:05:01] loops: is there an easy way to get myth to play videos it didn't record? importing non-myth videos etc?
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[16:05:44] directhex|work: loops, use mythvideo
[16:06:19] laga: |Torg|: just tried current mplayer. multithreaded deocding works there.
[16:06:24] loops: great, thanks directhex|work
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[16:06:52] |Torg|: laga I know mplayer works
[16:07:06] |Torg|: I can play the streams with mplayer fine, with myth howver it does not work
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[16:09:14] sebrock: quick question, where do I change grabber settings (XMLTV) for mythtv, setting it to 14 days instead of 15 as that generates error 256
[16:09:15] sebrock: ?
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[16:12:50] psymin: If I want a vid card to offload my h264 stuff to .. am I out of luck?
[16:13:51] |Torg|: for now, untill either nvidia release purevideo fro linux or AMD releases avivo for linux
[16:13:55] |Torg|: dont hold your breath tho
[16:14:19] psymin: Isn't AMD err .. ATI supposed to be more linux friendly after the AMD buyout?
[16:14:23] sebrock: go for a high-end cpu instead, cost nothing these days
[16:14:42] XLV: they released specs but the driver, much less h264 acceleration, is still way off
[16:15:03] |Torg|: AMD released specs for the chips a FAR cry from a 264 player, or even 3d aclerated drivers
[16:15:03] XLV: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3108
[16:15:47] |Torg|: I would simply wait for quad core cpus to drop in price and use multitreaded ffmpeg
[16:15:57] XLV: also they want the driver to come from open source developers, they dont want even their programmers to work on the opensource driver, cause they have seen the closed source one and fear of contamination of open source one
[16:16:05] Zathraz: hi. On a PVR-350 card there is a cable with 9-pin-DIN connector connected to: audio out left (white), audio out right (red), composite video out (yellow) and S-video out. If I tell MythTV to use ALSA sound my EPIA mobo's onboard sound I would have to bundle audio L+R to a singe audio connector on the mobo? I guess that would take a special cable and a lot of sound quality loss?
[16:18:24] sebrock: do I have to do a manual mythfilldatabase in order to change XMLTV settings for number of downloaded days?
[16:20:24] psymin: |Torg|, sebrock, XLV: Thanks for all the input :)
[16:20:48] sebrock: :)
[16:23:13] XLV: psymin, one last thing to note is that at least in windows, the least powerful cpu you need to play 1080p content h264 is a 2.4ghz c2d or somewhere there, dont know the performance of multithreaded ffmpeg in linux, i have a quad core q6600 and i have tried to play some h264 content using it with ubuntu and whatever codecs it can install from its repositories, the outcome wasnt nice ( no player wouldnt play it, probably i need to comp
[16:23:13] XLV: ile ffmpeg etc but i havent looked into it further )
[16:25:56] psymin: So I should get one of those new 2.4 dual core processors .. at least .. which means heat .. which means noise .. bah! .. :)
[16:26:28] XLV: psymin, or wait a bit for some acceleration of h264 from gpu to come along
[16:27:02] psymin: I've waited too long already. (or at least I'm not patient enough)
[16:27:07] |Torg|: or use powernowd
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[16:28:10] psymin: would that be more effective than an 'ondemand' governor?
[16:29:01] |Torg|: its ondemand cpu freq scaling for AMD processors
[16:29:07] psymin: ahh
[16:29:59] |Torg|: root@torg:/myth/video/100MEDIA# cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[16:29:59] |Torg|: 2600000 2400000 2200000 2000000 1800000 1000000
[16:30:51] |Torg|: currently my CPU is running both cores at 1Ghz, it can scale up to 2.6GZ in those steps
[16:31:28] psymin: slick
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[17:34:00] juski: oh dear oh dear oh dear. oh dear. ctpvr.com are being a little silly methinks
[17:34:14] GreyFoxx: oh ?
[17:34:26] juski: posted to the -dev list
[17:34:51] GreyFoxx: Ahhh
[17:35:11] GreyFoxx: yeah they have been working for 2 months on a linux grabber for their own service and so far have failed to make it work
[17:35:22] juski: starting a new listing service, will pay for help to get it integrated into mythtv. yeah yeah. oh but now they want remote scheduling to be done through their own server which'll be polled at regular intervals. that's not gonna go down well
[17:36:05] juski: "oh and by the way we'll be taking note of whatever you schedule – information which our investors are interested in a great deal"
[17:36:10] juski: you can smell it
[17:36:13] GreyFoxx: heh
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[17:36:43] juski: just make the grabber spit out xmltv.. job done?
[17:37:00] GreyFoxx: yeah or bend an existing xmltv grabber to do it. Most of the work is already done
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[17:37:39] juski: maybe somebody should throw the book at them. maybe the Larry Wall Perl book ;)
[17:37:52] GreyFoxx: heh
[17:38:19] GreyFoxx: Currently the service requires a windows box to download the listings, no Canada listings and not OTA
[17:38:21] juski: I think it's funny though – asking the mythtv devs for help in getting a competing listings service to work, when er...
[17:39:02] GreyFoxx: If they do the work I imagine we would incorporate support for it. Though to get the listings I would say an xmltv grabber would be best
[17:39:12] juski: I'm glad SD got there first
[17:39:19] GreyFoxx: and then a simple perlscript to get at the "remote" scheduling and pop it into the DB.
[17:39:24] GreyFoxx: basicallly a day of perl
[17:39:55] juski: but this remote scheduling malarkey sounds a bit suspect to me. is that going to prohibit using mythweb?
[17:40:37] GreyFoxx: juski: No, but I imagine using both could lead to conflicts as you would be "polling" the data from them a few times a day not be instant like mythweb
[17:40:39] juski: if it's just "hey we can do this to save you having to run mythweb at home, no skin off our nose" then good for them
[17:41:13] juski: but jees I left an unprotected mythweb open for close to a month & nothing real bad happened
[17:41:48] Sedorox: mine is unprotected at the moment, but only accessable on internal lan, so not worried about it currently
[17:42:00] juski: anyway I had good news today. doggy wasn't ill at all & is back to his normal silly self. Musta been something he ate
[17:42:07] juski: whew!
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[17:45:29] laga: bah
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[17:46:46] laga: so, i'm not supposed to use regexp to parse html in perl. but the various HTML parsing modules make my head hurt :/
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[17:51:30] sphery: juski: I love how ct tv listings weren't "live" until about 2 weeks after the Z2L shutdown.
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[17:52:50] sphery: But, a certain MythTV dev wrote a message to the list encouraging them because they give NA MythTV users another data source, so we're not in the same "single-point of failure" boat we were in. With ct tv, we now have 2 listings providers, TMS and TMS...  :)
[17:52:51] juski: oh wow. they've sent the email out again. WAY to get the devs on your side guys!
[17:53:25] sphery: lol. Didn't notice that. Yeah double posts aren't a great way to get support.
[17:53:36] GreyFoxx: they do NOT give NA users another option, they give the non OTA using US another option :) just to be clear :)
[17:53:49] GreyFoxx: OTA users and Canada , as of right now, can't use them
[17:53:51] sphery: Yeah, and the "other" option is still TMS...
[17:53:53] GreyFoxx: but that might change eventually
[17:53:57] GreyFoxx: yeah
[17:54:23] juski: it could change for everybody in the end – nobody knows. I mean TMS might just up sticks & say "you know what.. nahhh"
[17:54:34] GreyFoxx: And of course you choose. Support Foss based source or the private./forprofit company :) In the end TMS wins either way :)
[17:54:48] juski: anyway.. time to cook
[17:54:55] sphery: They have the low-cost "cut-down" listings, which may appeal to some people (who probably shouldn't be spending money on a Myth box in the first place), but I'll stick with SD as long as they're around.
[17:55:22] Sedorox: my trial just expired.. I need to renew..
[17:55:41] Sedorox: s/renew/buy
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[18:18:57] sphery: Sedorox: It's worth the $20/yr
[18:19:12] sphery: Actually, it was worth the $15/3mos before the price drops.
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[18:23:58] |Torg|: tecnicaly the price didnt drop, the subscrition period was extended
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[18:26:26] Sedorox: sphery: I know. I just haven't gotten to doing it yet
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[18:32:31] psymin: Neat, one of the cards that ATI is releasing info on is one that might work with those HD codecs ..
[18:32:57] |Torg|: not quite
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[18:33:21] sphery: |Torg|: I guess you're right. The price has never dropped below $15 (and was actually increased to $20).  :)
[18:33:40] Sedorox: but the length of time it covered was extended
[18:33:44] sphery: I should write a message the the -users list to complain about SD raising its price...  ;)
[18:34:03] Sedorox: flamer :p
[18:34:09] |Torg|: troll
[18:34:50] sphery: At least it might make the people who say I quash all discussion of non-SD data sources happy.
[18:35:26] sphery: From the posts I've seen from some of theme, they're likely to believe that the "price increase" is actually a bad thing.
[18:35:46] |Torg|: its people who complain about ANY price
[18:36:20] sphery: Exactly.
[18:36:22] |Torg|: what I cant fathom is those who think that writing scrapers and maintaining them isnt worth $20
[18:36:34] sphery: Because Myth is supposed to be "free"...
[18:36:40] sphery: No joke.
[18:36:51] |Torg|: really you got that tuner card for nothing?
[18:36:59] laga: probably the same people who invest a lot of money into cable stealing gear
[18:37:15] Sedorox: I'm willing to pay for the services
[18:37:21] Sedorox: I see the value in it
[18:37:25] sphery: I'd love to get some of those people on my payroll working at an equivalent hourly to what they'd spend to save the $20/yr.
[18:37:34] |Torg|: yes laga, I think tis the same group that used to hang out at the pub waiting for the guy with his laptop and iso7816 writer
[18:37:41] sphery: Of course, that would break a lot of labor laws (especially with minimum wage and all...)
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[18:38:25] alexp789: Hi All. I was just wondering if anyones managed to get myth archive working from a remote frontend??
[18:38:52] sphery: alexp789: it's technically not supported, though I've heard reports of some hacking it to work.
[18:39:10] sphery: definitely requires "local" storage (i.e. network share with the recording files)
[18:39:58] alexp789: sphery, thanks a lot, yeah from the docs i guessed that, i've nfs'd my myth dir to the client, but its still not playing ;-)
[18:40:18] sphery: Though, it's probably much easier to just do an "ssh -Y backendhost" and run mythfrontend through that.
[18:40:19] alexp789: sphery, just to confirm that wasn't sarcastic (just re read and it might have sounded it!)
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[18:40:37] sphery: no sarcasm intended
[18:41:18] alexp789: sphery, yeah i'm just trying to move the work off my server (its an old AMD 1400), and i can hear it starting to creak! ;-)
[18:41:28] sphery: Oh. No sarcasm taken...  :)
[18:41:39] ** sphery is having problems with his words today **
[18:41:51] sphery: lol.
[18:42:10] sphery: Yeah. I have an Athlon XP 2400+ and a 2000+ for backends and /only/ HDTV recording.
[18:42:28] sphery: They commflag at about a 2:1 rate, so transcoding...
[18:42:57] psymin: Mind if I ask what prevents mytharchive from working over NFS?
[18:43:25] sphery: wasn't designed to.  :)
[18:43:26] alexp789: Oh, well you might be able to help on the other question, how does it work when you have more than one b/e? So they'd all be off the same DB, would they 'magically' just schedule recordings between them?
[18:43:30] sphery: Sorry. I don't know specifics.
[18:43:43] sphery: alexp789: yep
[18:43:48] psymin: .. X11 forwarding .. interesting .. You may have saved me a bunch of money sphery :)
[18:44:18] sphery: If you shut one down, it will reschedule to ensure highest priority recordings are recorded even with the missing capture cards.
[18:44:22] sphery: Works pretty well.
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[18:44:45] alexp789: sphery, cool i might have to look into working something around that. Thanks a lot!
[18:44:47] |Torg|: M BE runs teh sceduling, S BE runs the db, FE reads from M BE directed to S BE for its recordings and uses S BE for the datbase
[18:44:57] sphery: Only problem is that the MBE is still a single point of failure (my flaky hardware has taught me this well) as a SBE won't record without direction from the MBE.
[18:45:04] |Torg|: when you start a S BE it knows its master as you tell it what the master is
[18:45:14] sphery: psymin: Yeah. X forwarding is great.
[18:45:24] |Torg|: Id love a way to tell the SBE to record without the BE being up tho
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[18:45:34] sphery: I have 11 computers in my house and only use 2 monitors (only because i want a monitor in each of 2 rooms).
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[18:45:57] |Torg|: only 11?
[18:46:11] psymin: sphery, in theory with forwarding I could have a slow, quiet, cool 'frontend' box that just gets its frontend via forwarding from a beefy backend/frontend box?
[18:46:15] alexp789: sphery, wow, and i though i was doing my bit to warm the world with mine 1 box left on all the time! ;-)
[18:46:31] sphery: |Torg|: Yeah. I've considered adding a "record last-known shows", though buying a new MB/CPU/RAM/Video Card is probably cheaper.  :)
[18:46:40] alexp789: psymin, i've not tried it, but i wouldn't want to run video over X11.....
[18:46:50] sphery: psymin: Won't work well for playback of video.
[18:46:54] sphery: too much bandwidth required.
[18:47:12] |Torg|: sphery: Ive been trying to figure out how to do two way mysql replication to have the DB on all BEs
[18:47:21] ** psymin does some math. **
[18:47:36] sphery: alexp789: Yeah. Every where I go I leave a lot of black foot-shaped tracks (carbon footprint ;)
[18:47:37] |Torg|: 1080I XDMP works fine, audio however does not
[18:48:10] alexp789: sphery, you must be in the UK, those adverts confused me when i first saw them!!!!
[18:48:20] |Torg|: sphery: its not my systems that eat eletricy its the extra AC unit that is neeed to keep them cool does
[18:49:05] sphery: |Torg|: That sounds interesting. I don't know MySQL well enough to know how to configure it, but I'll definitely watch for a success story from you. Seeing a "failover" DB success story would motivate me to learn more.
[18:49:17] sphery: alexp789: I'm actually in the US.
[18:49:32] |Torg|: sphery: one way replication is rather easy, its how you can do no loss backlups too
[18:49:42] sphery: Just happen to know a lot of people who are (unreasonably) concerned about the environment.
[18:50:11] |Torg|: sphery: its really nohting more then turning on bin logging on one and pointing a slave at it to replicate, altho I woudl preseed the sleve with a restore to limit the thing
[18:50:32] alexp789: sphery, ah well what i said was pretty random them! ;-) We had some freaky ads on TV, with little kids leaving black, tar, footprints every where. etc etc (you get the idea!)
[18:50:43] |Torg|: one way isnt an issue, its two way that causes problems (from locking)
[18:51:00] |Torg|: alexp789: can you send us a video of it :)
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[18:51:45] alexp789: Torg, yeah i'll cut it out of a recording, and post a link.
[18:51:58] |Torg|: speaking of black footprints, I gota go pick up my 3/4T diesel truck in a few
[18:52:08] sphery: alexp789: that's funny. And here I thought I was being all inventive and stuff...
[18:52:34] alexp789: sphery, nope the tree huggers beat you!
[18:52:35] |Torg|: the anticommflagg is sorta intersting tho :)
[18:52:40] sphery: |Torg|: Still trying to figure out the XDMP comment. Isn't XDMP something like X Display Manager Protocol (for creating GUI logins)?
[18:52:52] |Torg|: yes sphery its like that
[18:53:06] |Torg|: when you do export DISPLAY-whatever:0 thats XDMP your doing
[18:53:18] |Torg|: when you do ssh -Y thats the same thing over ssh
[18:53:38] sphery: I actually do anticommflag for the Large Dish (not saying a name trademarked by the US NFL that refers to the biggest American football game of the year).
[18:53:52] |Torg|: bud bowl?
[18:53:53] sphery: Record, commflag, ezi
[18:53:58] sphery: super
[18:53:59] sphery: :)
[18:54:17] sphery: ezi (edit, import flag list, invert cut list)
[18:54:31] |Torg|: didnt know about i, thanks :)
[18:54:51] sphery: Maybe I should call it "Great Dish", instead...
[18:54:53] |Torg|: altho my commflag is being subcerted by advertisers here,. works maybe 50%
[18:55:08] sphery: Yeah. It's pretty great in the US.
[18:55:11] juski: 50% eh? lucky you
[18:55:15] |Torg|: its techncial name is BUD and no im not joking
[18:55:18] sphery: I've heard it's not so good elsewhere.
[18:55:19] |Torg|: Big Ugly Dish
[18:55:36] sphery: Really, the Super Bowl is actually the Bud Bowl?
[18:56:00] |Torg|: I think more people whath it for the bud bowl :)
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[18:56:27] alexp789: Torg, found it on youtube (saved me a job) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UicsH_VouBU
[18:56:38] |Torg|: thanksa
[18:56:40] psymin: according to wikipedia a dual-layer Blu-Ray disc should be able to stream over a 100mb network .. so with gigabit .. I would doubt I'd run into bandwidth issues with x11 forwarding .. worth a shot I guess
[18:56:46] sphery: Oh.
[18:57:18] sphery: psymin: that's already encoded (compressed) in BDROM format
[18:57:23] |Torg|: 1080I HD content takes about 1/3 of 100mb
[18:57:32] sphery: psymin: X11 forwarding is uncompressed (and worse, is X protocol ;)
[18:58:03] psymin: ahh
[18:58:14] sphery: MPEG compression is extremely good compression
[18:59:16] sphery: Unfortunately, playback (decoding) of HDTV is the difficult part, so you could easily make a low-power/low-noise HDTV backend, but to really do HDTV right, you need a bit of a hog for a frontend.
[18:59:36] |Torg|: VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 18000.0 kbps (2250.0 kbyte/s)
[18:59:48] |Torg|: AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 256.0 kbit/16.67% (ratio: 32000->192000)
[19:00:12] sphery: My approach was to make 2 dedicated backends (Athlon XP 2400+ and 2000+) and one dedicated frontend (X2 4800+) and drill a hole in the wall so the machines are not in the viewing room.
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[19:00:24] |Torg|: big hog? I do it with a daul core P4, 3Ghz system, and about half of two cores
[19:00:42] |Torg|: I ran cables up the wall and across teh cielgin
[19:01:02] |Torg|: hell its just ethernet
[19:01:21] sphery: I'd consider that a hog--when going for low-power/low-noise, it's way out of the league of some of the Via's/etc.
[19:01:35] alexp789: I'm running one BE on a Athlon 1600 (1.4ghz) 768MB Ram, and i've two front ends, one runs over 54g (just)
[19:02:41] |Torg|: MBE is a X2 Dual core 3800, SBE is a XP 1500 and runs mysql, FE is a P4 3Ghz
[19:02:56] |Torg|: the MBE is WAY underused
[19:03:06] Chutt: my hdtv frontend is damn near silent.
[19:03:06] |Torg|: and I use power scaling on all of them to keep heat down
[19:03:31] |Torg|: I wouldn t know how loud my FE was my DLP TV fan is loud enough
[19:04:16] |Torg|: and judging from the noice all my comptuers make I think people are insane for wanting fanless FEs
[19:04:38] |Torg|: hell you can hardly hear them over the DLP, the AC blower, the sourround sound
[19:05:23] sphery: But you have to pay a lot more for a quiet system--case, fans, possibly low-wattage CPU, etc. I went with the cheap components (not worrying about noise) and just put the system in another room. IMHO, even the "home-theater" cases are uglier than just having a TV and speakers in the viewing room.
[19:06:11] sphery: But, it's all a matter of what you prefer. (I will admit that walking into another room to put a DVD in the player may not appeal to some. :)
[19:06:34] laga: sphery: get a USB DVD-ROM
[19:06:35] gnome42: sphery: I did the same, but I don't use the dvd :)
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[19:06:41] laga: god, that's a lot of uppercase.
[19:07:24] sphery: laga: Good idea, but, of course, I don't do DVD. Haven't gotten my CSS license, yet.  :)
[19:07:31] Chutt: sphery, low power cpus aren't expensive these days. very small premium for the athlon be- series, for example.
[19:07:44] |Torg|: my black plain case FE looks lood as it is a blankc to the black plain case subwoffer
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[19:08:08] sphery: They have come down a /lot/. But still the cases and fans (or heat sinks/heat pipes/...) tend to be much more expensive.
[19:08:19] laga: sphery: sad :/
[19:08:25] Chutt: stock heatsink/etc works fine for it
[19:08:37] ** laga is getting lots of hdd vibration :/ **
[19:08:45] sphery: My three Myth boxes are the ugliest cases I own, so I'm really glad they're not in the viewing room.
[19:09:56] Chutt: and as a case example, antec's nsk-2400 (the non-"media center" version of the fusion) is < $100, and that's basically everything you need case-wise for a really quiet frontend.
[19:09:59] sphery: laga: you could get the HDD vibration dampers.
[19:10:17] Chutt: rubber mounts for hdd, big fans, etc.
[19:10:21] laga: sphery: have them already. didn't help much. maybe i need better ones.
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[19:11:21] alexp789: would anyone mine giving their opinion on the following. The BE keeps crashing, i've included info in the paste. Thanks in advance. http://pastebin.ca/723367
[19:11:21] gnome42: sphery: mine's naked and ugly! heh
[19:11:28] sphery: Chutt: Cool. I have to admit I didn't price them much. I just saw a couple of cases that were much more than what I normally spend, so I went with the no-attempt-at-quiet approach.
[19:11:52] gnome42: Chutt: yeah, antecs are definately very nice
[19:12:44] gnome42: there's that 'b' line of antec stuff too. cheaper
[19:12:51] Chutt: ding and dent :p
[19:13:00] Chutt: not exactly what you want out in the living room
[19:13:04] gnome42: yup!
[19:13:26] gnome42: oh the ones I looked at were ok
[19:14:06] gnome42: I guess they must vary
[19:16:09] psymin: sphery, is there a distance limitation on HDMI?
[19:16:18] juski: 15 metres
[19:16:29] juski: you can buy boosters to extend it
[19:16:33] psymin: perfect :)
[19:16:39] laga: as far as i can throw a shitty hdtv set...
[19:16:44] sphery: psymin: It is dependent on the equipment, though..
[19:16:48] juski: there are cables longer than 15m available but they can't be certified HDMI compliant
[19:17:19] psymin: now, to see if I can extend that IR receiver cable 15m .. heh
[19:17:20] sphery: equipment includes transmitters (video card), receivers (display), cable
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[19:18:31] juski: laga: try treating your HDDs like very fragile eggs. they'll tend to vibrate less ;)
[19:18:47] laga: juski: SRSLY?
[19:19:28] sphery: psymin: http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html and http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/09/11/hdmi_vs_component/
[19:19:40] juski: yeah well those bearings are very sensitive to shock
[19:19:53] laga: juski: i *think* i handled it carefully
[19:20:19] psymin: with a cable of 10 meters I'd be able to have it run through conduit in the wall to the office .. *grin*
[19:20:30] laga: juski: even the new 500G SATA samsung disk in my master backend vibrates a lot.. granted, that case is rather shitty
[19:20:30] juski: some manufacturers have spindle balancing criteria where even one which vibrates noticably can be a 'pass'
[19:20:57] juski: WD were bad for that in my experience
[19:21:10] juski: stiffening the drive mounts can help too
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[19:21:39] laga: yeah, i noticed that. but it can also m ake the whole case shake :)
[19:21:44] juski: some people mistakenly believe that damping is the ultimate answer, but that can shorten the life of the drive
[19:22:25] juski: some of the elastic band formations I've seen in forum posts.. heh
[19:22:35] bsdfox: anyone got ideas on a better plugin to manage tv show archives than mythvideo?
[19:22:47] juski: bsdfox: that's all we got
[19:22:57] alexp789: hey all, how would i make the FE use NFS to view videos, instead of doing a direct transfer with the BE? I am tight in thinking i can aren't i?
[19:22:57] laga: juski: yes, but it makes the drives quiet :) have you seen the "bitumenbox"?
[19:23:01] bsdfox: darn
[19:23:17] juski: bsdfox: get out your coding wand & make it better then :P
[19:23:43] juski: is the whole OSS community just sitting on its hands waiting for better stuff to come along as if by magic? ;)
[19:23:48] bsdfox: my coding is limited to /bin/sh ;(
[19:24:02] juski: bsdfox: mine's not even that good but it's never stopped me trying
[19:24:07] bsdfox: all this perl nonsense is greek to me
[19:24:28] bsdfox: I couldn't even figure out how to change the timeout on downloading movie posters
[19:24:41] juski: anyway you might be happy to know that improving mythvideo is being talked about and looks like it might actually get somewhere
[19:24:43] laga: mythvideo? perl? huh
[19:25:13] bsdfox: the imdb fetch script I was looking at was perl
[19:25:17] juski: laga: yeah I saw that box. I bet it smelled a bit :P
[19:25:23] laga: juski: heh
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[19:27:56] bsdfox: oooh, just found the poster download timeout in videomanager.cpp :D
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[19:42:11] DustyBin: did somone just mention a smelly box?
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[19:54:47] Niklas_E: anyone know how to fix mytharchive to make the sound not getting after the video?
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[19:55:08] directhex: sync problems?
[19:55:27] Niklas_E: yeah
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[20:12:06] Niklas_E: is there any way to set the mytharchive to use fps to 25 and not 24,9xxx?
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[20:14:25] fryfrog: Niklas_E: Wouldn't that violate fps standards?
[20:15:33] Niklas_E: have no idea, should it be on 24,9xxx?
[20:15:48] Niklas_E: I toiught the standard was 25
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[20:17:31] fryfrog: guess i'm the wrong person to ask :)
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[20:34:26] fryfrog: I know they don't work in linux of course, but are there any PCI cablecard tuners you can use with windows? W/o buying a "media center pc" from a major maker?
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[20:38:52] pdragon04: http://interfacebus.blogspot.com/2007/08/cablecard.html
[20:39:00] directhex: cablecard certification requires a machine to be a media center pc from a major manufacturer
[20:39:01] pdragon04: looks like "no" from that article
[20:39:16] fryfrog: ah, i see :/
[20:39:18] laga: cable card/OCUR sucks.
[20:39:28] fryfrog: I wonder who makes a good media center pc?
[20:39:43] fryfrog: and i wonder what happens if you stick the cards from that pc into another not-that-pc machine :/
[20:39:50] Inssomniak: the one that you build yourserf :)
[20:40:05] directhex: fryfrog, cablecard come & eat your kidneys!
[20:40:11] fryfrog: right, but for cable card that isn't teh possible :(
[20:40:34] fryfrog: i'm trying to explore some options for mah parents, where mythtv is unfortunatly not one of them :(
[20:42:25] fryfrog: TiVo (w/ cable card rental), Comcast Lame-Ass DVR, some HTPC crap or maybe like... DirecTV and their HD DVR that they ditched TiVo for :/
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[20:50:53] alexp789: Hi all, has anyone had problems with the backend dying, with the following in the log: "QSocketDevice::writeBlock: Invalid socket"
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[20:51:23] dogger: hi is there a way to control a sky+ box via the serial connector on the back?
[20:53:15] directhex: NAFAIK
[20:53:37] pdragon04: alexp789: found another article that someone also had memory errors. tried running the latest memtest86?
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[21:03:21] Dibblah: dogger: No.
[21:03:32] Dibblah: You impatient barsteward. ;)
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[21:06:54] directhex: i wonder what sky's problem is. the greeks, poles & albanians don't fear CAMs
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[21:09:44] Yahooadam: lol
[21:09:49] Yahooadam: sky is just gay and overpriced
[21:10:05] Yahooadam: im not sure if you _cant_ control sky over the serial, no-one has worked out how to yet though
[21:10:38] directhex: cheaper than nova (greece)
[21:10:45] Yahooadam: i doubt it
[21:10:50] sebrock: anyone using XMLTV here?
[21:11:04] directhex: it's not the price i mind, it's that sky don't sell sky subscriptions – sky sell skybox subscriptions
[21:11:07] Yahooadam: im sure many are, you will get an answer faster if you just ask rather then pre-ask
[21:11:11] directhex: i'd pay for sky, i won't pay for a skybox
[21:11:26] Yahooadam: meh
[21:11:31] Yahooadam: irblaster works ok for me
[21:11:43] Yahooadam: would rather use serial, but beggers cant be choosers
[21:11:48] Yahooadam: and its not like i have any other options
[21:12:24] directhex: you could use not_sky
[21:12:41] Yahooadam: (the following question is actually for a script to do with mythtv) – how do i put the IP address of a domain into a variable in a script ?
[21:12:41] sebrock: where is the settings stored where mythfilldatabase is
[21:12:56] sebrock: I need to manually change the days that XMLTV downloads
[21:13:04] fryfrog: Yahooadam: huh?
[21:13:07] Yahooadam: change it in the frontend settings
[21:13:19] Yahooadam: like myvariable=ipof(mythtv.org)
[21:13:20] fryfrog: in bash, how about "IP="value.com""?
[21:13:21] sebrock: is it possible to change days there?
[21:13:49] fryfrog: Yahooadam: er, sorry, i'm not sure what you are asking about/looking for :/
[21:14:02] Yahooadam: im not sure, settings to do with mythfilldatabase are kept in the frontend
[21:14:19] Yahooadam: the backend seems to run it at set times, its not a cron job for sure
[21:14:21] sebrock: I dont think this one is
[21:14:39] Yahooadam: fryfrog, lets say i want the IP of mythtv
[21:14:40] sebrock: its basically an integer value
[21:14:55] Yahooadam: mythtv.org has an IP of 140.211.167.131
[21:15:02] fryfrog: Yahooadam: ah, you want to write a script that doesn't *know* the ip of your myth system, but gets it?
[21:15:09] fryfrog: or you just want mythtv.org's ip?
[21:15:11] Yahooadam: so how can i get 140.211.167.131 into $myvariable
[21:15:12] directhex: nslookup $HOST | grep Address | tail -1 | cut -d' ' -f2
[21:15:18] directhex: it's a bit long-winded, but it works
[21:15:45] fryfrog: that's what i'd do, or just use "mythtv.org" in the script
[21:15:50] fryfrog: name resolution is there for a reason :)
[21:16:11] Yahooadam: basically fryfrog, i have a dyndns service, i want to know when the ip's are wrong to tell it when to update
[21:16:26] Yahooadam: so that it doesnt update the ip every 2 mins and i get yelled at
[21:16:34] fryfrog: ahhhh
[21:16:48] fryfrog: Yahooadam: there are *tons* of already written dyndns.org scripts
[21:16:56] fryfrog: in fact, a lot of $50 routers can do it as well
[21:17:04] Yahooadam: its for yi.org which uses gnudip2
[21:17:12] fryfrog: i bet one exists
[21:17:15] Yahooadam: which _no-one_ supports
[21:17:22] fryfrog: really?
[21:17:29] Yahooadam: my IPCop router has dyndns updating facilities, but not for gnudip2
[21:17:40] fryfrog: why not use dyndns.org?
[21:17:53] Yahooadam: cos my webserver and stuff is all setup to use yi.org
[21:17:54] fryfrog: or another dynamic ip system that is?
[21:17:57] Yahooadam: moving it all sounds like hassle
[21:18:02] laga: hum
[21:18:08] laga: gnudip sounds like what i need for mythweb.de
[21:18:21] fryfrog: i think it'd be more of a hastle to maintain a script :)
[21:18:37] fryfrog: i got dyndns.org's "custom" dns service when it was like $40 for lifetime
[21:18:37] Yahooadam: its not hard to maintain lol
[21:18:46] Yahooadam: it uses ez-ipdate to update
[21:18:52] Yahooadam: ipupdate #
[21:19:03] fryfrog: ah
[21:19:12] Yahooadam: but if i just setup a script to run ez-ipupdate every 2 mins, it would run ez-ipupdate every 2 mins
[21:19:31] fryfrog: there are some websites you can hit that will return your external ip
[21:19:37] fryfrog: you could wget that and manipulate it
[21:19:45] fryfrog: unless you can easily get your external ip?
[21:19:48] directhex: nobody likes my solution :'(
[21:19:56] fryfrog: directhex: i do, thats how i'd do it
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[21:20:11] fryfrog: but he also needs to check that the ip has/hasn't changed, no?
[21:20:17] Rommie: Yahooadam: You could always just run as simple sed over your webservers config files to change yi.org to your new address....
[21:20:18] Yahooadam: ive got that working
[21:20:19] fryfrog: so you gotta compare the current to the old
[21:20:38] Yahooadam: but the script compares the last updated ip to the current IP
[21:20:49] Yahooadam: ofcourse, the last updated IP and the current IP can be different
[21:20:49] fryfrog: ah, instead of the actual?
[21:20:58] Yahooadam: yeah
[21:21:05] Yahooadam: umm i mean
[21:21:06] fryfrog: just find a linux "command" that gets the ip, then use that
[21:21:19] Yahooadam: thats what directhex told me ;)
[21:21:21] fryfrog: like "ifconfig | grep ipaddr" or what ever (that isn't right)
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[21:21:25] fryfrog: right :)
[21:22:12] Rommie: fryfrog: Unfortunately, if your machine is behind a gateway of any kinda, theres no local command you can run to get your IP address (at least not in the sense your thinking of...)
[21:22:42] Yahooadam: mycurrentip=`html2text http://checkip.dyndns.org | cut -c21–35`
[21:22:49] sebrock: anyone knows where it is stores how many days the xmltv grabber should do???
[21:23:28] Rommie: sebrock: Go under mythtv-setup, into where you configured the grabber, its in there (I'm pretty sure)
[21:24:07] sebrock: Aw well maybe you are right
[21:24:10] Yahooadam: its in the frontend setup i believe ....
[21:24:15] Rommie: Oh, sorry
[21:24:30] Yahooadam: options -> general has mythfilldatabase options
[21:24:31] Rommie: Its in the frontend setup, under general settings – its the 4 or 5th page
[21:24:33] Yahooadam: for some obscure reason
[21:24:41] sebrock: hm ok
[21:25:07] Rommie: Yahooadam: For the obscure reason that its a good place to put it? :P
[21:25:26] Yahooadam: but mythfilldatabase is supposed to be run by the backend
[21:25:36] Yahooadam: so why not put it in mythtv-setup with other backend settings
[21:25:46] jduggan: links -dump whatismyip.com
[21:25:51] sebrock: the "days" is not specified in frontend
[21:26:02] sebrock: should be in the backend settings
[21:26:18] sebrock: thnx guys, I'll digg deeper tomorrow :D
[21:26:22] sebrock: nite all
[21:27:30] Yahooadam: sigh
[21:27:38] Yahooadam: gonna have to get a ssh tunnel to get a file from home :(
[21:27:48] Rommie: Yahooadam: mythtv-setup has only the basic options required to get things running – theres lots of backend settings that are in the frontends setup menu...
[21:28:01] Yahooadam: fair enough
[21:28:09] Yahooadam: i dont use mythtv-setup much ;)
[21:28:20] Yahooadam: it requires getting a linux computer and SSH'ing in
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[21:29:00] Rommie: Theres support for frontends on non-linux systems?
[21:29:17] jduggan: works on osx no?
[21:29:25] Yahooadam: not for windows
[21:29:29] Rommie: I had heard it doesnt – at least not very well
[21:29:32] Yahooadam: im pretty sure OSX is ok
[21:29:42] Yahooadam: you can allways just play the mpg files ...
[21:29:59] Rommie: You could do that under Windows too :P
[21:30:04] Rommie: But it wouldn't be very pretty
[21:30:05] Yahooadam: platform independent :p
[21:30:14] Yahooadam: well there wouldnt be any controls
[21:30:17] Yahooadam: u could setup a playlist
[21:30:25] jduggan: wonder if anyone has started on a win32 port
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[21:30:42] Yahooadam: i wonder if it will work in cgwin (or whatever its called)
[21:30:48] Rommie: I had started work on a web-based client that loaded the files into VLC to stream them to you, when you navigated to the recording you wanted, but I got lazy and never finished it :)
[21:31:39] Yahooadam: lazy bum :p
[21:31:55] Rommie: I know... :P
[21:32:04] directhex: erm *cough*
[21:32:05] Yahooadam: cant u already do it tho ?
[21:32:19] Yahooadam: i thought there was a way to play from mythweb
[21:32:43] directhex: playback on windows is easy. exhibit a) http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox/a . . . #picture_nav
[21:32:53] Rommie: Using flash there is a way, but you have to encode all your videos before hand – vlc can re-encode on the fly
[21:33:00] directhex: exhibit b) http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox/a . . . #picture_nav
[21:33:16] directhex: Rommie, SVN mythtv will do flash streaming via mythweb
[21:33:23] directhex: using ffmpeg
[21:33:42] Yahooadam: directhex: playback on windows vista is easy
[21:33:46] Yahooadam: there fixed it for ya
[21:34:01] directhex: Yahooadam, so use mythtv player, which is fine on xp
[21:34:13] Yahooadam: true enough
[21:34:33] Rommie: directhex: Yeah, but you still need to encode the videos before hand, do you not?
[21:34:37] Yahooadam: nope
[21:34:39] directhex: Rommie, you do not
[21:34:44] Rommie: It encodes on the fly?
[21:34:49] directhex: Rommie, aye
[21:35:08] Rommie: That is interesting – thats a feature a few of the devs said they'd never support....
[21:35:27] directhex: well it works, so...
[21:35:49] Yahooadam: what do u mean ?
[21:35:54] Yahooadam: mythtv record to mpeg
[21:36:00] Yahooadam: it doesnt need to be re-encoded
[21:36:37] Rommie: To be played over the web it does :)
[21:37:03] Rommie: The files myth creates are like 2gig per hour – most connections can't stream that much data in 20 hours :)
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[21:37:15] directhex: mythtv svn streams as flash
[21:37:32] Rommie: It must be re-encoded into a flash format at some point then
[21:37:46] directhex: no
[21:37:54] psymin: directhex, I just came in during the middle .. but does that mean my Wii could be a pseudo mythtv frontend?
[21:37:54] Rommie: Although apparently, the version of mythweb I have will stream the mpg files automatically
[21:38:13] GreyFoxx: mythbackend has no hand in that reencoding really. some mythweb script streams the recording fm the backend and feeds it through ffmpeg to encode to flash
[21:38:16] Yahooadam: rommie, you seem to be talking about streaming over the itnerent
[21:38:39] Yahooadam: the 2gb/hr files stream over a network fine
[21:39:03] Yahooadam: even then my new internet connection is faster then my network – sadly :p
[21:39:35] directhex: GreyFoxx, there's no manual reecoding step required though. that's the point of things like *nix pipes
[21:40:12] Rommie: Yahooadam / directhex : I'm looking at the mythflash code – it reencodes as an flv file using ffmpeg :)
[21:40:23] GreyFoxx: I never said there was a manual step. I just wanted it clear in the discussion that it's not the backend doing the reencoding :)
[21:40:30] GreyFoxx: though we might see that eventually
[21:40:37] directhex: " Outdated: The information on this page maybe no longer relevant."
[21:40:46] GreyFoxx: I thought I saw that captin_murdoch was working on something like that
[21:41:16] Yahooadam: rommie – thats mythflash
[21:41:24] Yahooadam: i dont think anyone even uses that anymore
[21:42:15] directhex: a lot of that article is over a year old
[21:42:49] GreyFoxx: I think it would be neat if any client could just connect, set output type (codecs) bitrates and so on and mythbackend auto transcode on the fly. Otherwise they could just stream the recorded content without reencoding
[21:43:00] GreyFoxx: would make xbox360 playback a reality
[21:43:20] Yahooadam: wouldnt that be fun with HD
[21:43:36] Yahooadam: 360 playback is only buggered due to UPnP as far as i know
[21:43:43] directhex: GreyFoxx, yes. once someone works out what the bloody hell the xbox is doing with myth's upnp output. all my shows show up in music, and nothing else shows up at all. stupid xbox
[21:43:50] directhex: Yahooadam, your recordings are in WMV?
[21:43:51] GreyFoxx: no, codec ijust not encoding to yahooL: codecs issues too
[21:43:59] laga: GreyFoxx: i think captain murdoch was working on a more generic transcoding framework
[21:44:25] GreyFoxx: directhex: It was sort of working before the last xbox update. Since then everything is off.
[21:44:25] Yahooadam: fair enough
[21:44:38] Yahooadam: as far as i knew it sort of worked
[21:44:43] GreyFoxx: I need to dig my 360 out of a box to play with it again
[21:44:49] Yahooadam: but i thought that was mostly due to MS breaking UPnP standards
[21:44:51] Yahooadam: as allways
[21:45:12] directhex: GreyFoxx, i'm not sure how to analyse the problem. good news is the intel upnp dev tools work on linux
[21:45:43] Yahooadam: hey, if i make a script, called myscript, and call /home/whatever/myscript > logfile
[21:46:01] GreyFoxx: It's just a matter of comparing some packet captures really. It's how I got it working to play my music before the last update
[21:46:04] Yahooadam: but if the script calls executable1 – the output from executable1 isnt sent to logfile
[21:46:54] directhex: GreyFoxx, easiest way to analyse captured packets?
[21:47:50] GreyFoxx: directhex: tcpdump/ethereal to get the dump then strings or ethereal follow stream to see the content
[21:48:04] GreyFoxx: sometimes I run it through a XML prettifier first
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[21:48:09] GreyFoxx: then eyeball it :)
[21:48:31] ** directhex suspects it might be a smidge easier to plug in a hub to make nabbing the packets easier, then running intel's upnp spy app **
[21:48:58] GreyFoxx: I don't see how that would be easier
[21:49:09] GreyFoxx: The main thing is to get the packets
[21:49:23] GreyFoxx: but if it works for ya, definately give it a go :)
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[21:50:14] Yahooadam: w00t – my update script works again :)
[21:50:33] Yahooadam: ty directhex
[21:51:04] Yahooadam: well most computers come with dual interfaces
[21:51:13] Yahooadam: probably pretty easy to sniff on 1 and use the other
[21:51:22] directhex: GreyFoxx, or, here's the easier option, run the spy app on the mythbackend itself. that way you can see it all as it happens
[21:51:52] GreyFoxx: WEll of course you could capture on the backend
[21:52:18] GreyFoxx: and if you are comparing to the output of windows media player you could use ethereal on the windows box
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[21:53:01] ** Yahooadam loves his new 3gbit internet connection **
[21:57:12] Inssomniak: hard to get installed into a house
[21:57:24] Yahooadam: i wonder if i can Nfs through an ssh tunnel to a networked computer
[21:57:38] Yahooadam: he he
[21:57:42] Yahooadam: i wish i had that at home :(
[21:57:48] GreyFoxx: Yahooadam: you could use openvpn, or sshfs to mount an sshfs filesystem
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[21:58:24] Yahooadam: solution to every problem with linux isnt there :p
[21:58:42] GreyFoxx: heh
[21:59:13] Yahooadam: the only thing i dont like about this network
[21:59:16] Yahooadam: i cant get a static IP
[22:00:05] Inssomniak: 3 gigabit network and you cant get a static IP?
[22:00:21] Yahooadam: its a 3gbit internet connection
[22:00:31] Yahooadam: but on the internal network they wont give me a static IP
[22:01:04] |Torg|: there area plenty of 3gbits conntions that do not have static IP addresses
[22:01:12] |Torg|: im on a 5mbit and can not get one
[22:01:47] Yahooadam: how can i get bzip to compress a directory ?
[22:01:55] |Torg|: tar
[22:01:56] GreyFoxx: Yahooadam: use tar
[22:02:06] GreyFoxx: tar -cjvf file.tar.bz2 directory
[22:02:10] |Torg|: cpio
[22:02:49] Yahooadam: tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive
[22:03:13] Yahooadam: nvm
[22:03:45] Yahooadam: my n00b mistake :p
[22:03:46] Yahooadam: ty :)
[22:04:07] laga: |Torg|: janne is currently preparing a new ffmpeg merge.
[22:04:17] Yahooadam: hey torg, what do u mean plenty of 3gbit connections dont have a Static IP
[22:04:25] |Torg|: thanks laga :)
[22:04:31] |Torg|: ADSL
[22:04:32] Yahooadam: and 5mbit is hardly the same league as 3gbit
[22:04:49] Yahooadam: you wrote g, yet you seem to have mistaken it for a m :p
[22:05:11] |Torg|: there are DSL links, esp DSL over fiber that do that
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[22:05:20] Yahooadam: really ? :o
[22:05:24] |Torg|: yes really
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[22:05:38] Yahooadam: i though ADSL2+ was the highest ...
[22:05:41] Yahooadam: otherwise its like fioss
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[22:05:46] |Torg|: DSL is just a carrier, not a thing
[22:06:28] |Torg|: and yes I thoguth you meant mega bit, but tehre are giga bit DSL links too
[22:06:33] Yahooadam: Wikipedia – "Typically, the download speed of consumer DSL services ranges from 256 kilobits per second (kbit/s) to 24,000 kbit/s, depending on DSL technology"
[22:06:46] |Torg|: Typically being the operative word
[22:06:46] Yahooadam: "DSL or xDSL, is a family of technologies that provide digital data transmission over the wires of a local telephone network."
[22:07:01] |Torg|: and telephone netowrks have been using fiber optics since the 1960's
[22:07:23] |Torg|: err 1980's :)
[22:07:30] Yahooadam: not in britain :p
[22:07:30] |Torg|: theyvbe been digital since the 60's
[22:07:33] cout: why does SD content seem to be recorded at 1280x720? is that because the station is broadcasting SD content in HD?
[22:07:39] Yahooadam: well possibly in britain, but they must suck
[22:07:57] Yahooadam: maybe you setup your encoded to record at 1280x720 cout ?
[22:07:58] |Torg|: cout it isnt SD if its 1820x720
[22:07:59] bsdfox_: cout: that's probably a setting on your side if it's accurate
[22:08:02] Yahooadam: encoder #
[22:08:46] riddlebox: where are the xml listings held for schedules direct?
[22:08:56] |Torg|: TMS
[22:09:01] GreyFoxx: riddlebox: What do you mean ?
[22:09:44] riddlebox: GreyFoxx, when mythfilldatabase runs, does it store the tv listings somewhere?
[22:10:04] GreyFoxx: No
[22:10:09] floppyears: riddlebox: it stores it in the db
[22:10:19] GreyFoxx: Well yes in a file in /tmp which is deleted after being imported into the database
[22:10:25] directhex: hm, according to Device_Sniffer.exe my router runs linux 2.4.17
[22:10:31] Yahooadam: it stores it in memory while it makes the sql commands to put it in the DB
[22:10:37] floppyears: never mind ignore floppy and listen to the wise GreyFoxx :)
[22:10:54] Yahooadam: or /tmp, although i suspect its kept in memory, considering its like 1mb
[22:11:05] |Torg|: mythconverg.program
[22:11:16] riddlebox: ahh so it puts it in the database good! I am writing some custom scripts to integrate my mythtv with asterisk, I already have it setup so I can call home and set a custom recording
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[22:11:49] cout: yahooadam: I went through the settings andthtv doesn't give me a place to change the resolution
[22:12:08] Yahooadam: hmm
[22:12:09] Yahooadam: its there
[22:12:20] GreyFoxx: cout: What are you recording from ?
[22:12:32] cout: greyfoxx: you mean what kind of device?
[22:12:37] GreyFoxx: yes
[22:13:44] cout: greyfoxx: it's a bt878-based HD card, can't remember the brand of the top of my head but it's basically a pchdtv clone
[22:14:14] GreyFoxx: And what format are the recordings in ?
[22:15:06] |Torg|: hes using a DVB card and recording 720P HDTV content
[22:15:17] GreyFoxx: which is basically what I was leading too
[22:15:29] GreyFoxx: You can't control the resolution of a DVB recording
[22:15:46] GreyFoxx: you can only control the resolution if you transcode it after the recording is done
[22:17:12] cout: so the problem is the station, then?
[22:17:23] GreyFoxx: Why is it a problem?
[22:17:26] cout: I don't have enough memory to transcode :(
[22:17:36] GreyFoxx: Not all content sent over HDTV Channels was originally HDTV
[22:17:43] GreyFoxx: some is just SDTV scaled up
[22:17:51] Yahooadam: cout, memory is sooo cheap though
[22:17:54] |Torg|: then watch it on a HD display? whats the problem
[22:17:55] Yahooadam: 1gb is like £30
[22:18:19] cout: no content on this channel is HD, even the new shows they are showing
[22:18:42] cout: yahooadam: sure, but that requires opening the machine and adding it
[22:18:43] GreyFoxx: cout: If it's coming to you as 1280x720 then it's HD
[22:18:45] directhex: Yahooadam, £21
[22:18:58] Yahooadam: depends what type of ram i guess
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[22:19:23] cout: greyfoxx: the signal may be HD but the content isn't
[22:19:23] Yahooadam: though £21 sounds pretty cheap
[22:19:32] |Torg|: 1280x720 is HD
[22:19:48] Yahooadam: the content is prolly just upscaled SDTV though
[22:19:56] |Torg|: and its common for brodcasters to push SD content scaled to HD
[22:19:56] Yahooadam: so u wont be able to tell the difference
[22:20:13] |Torg|: the reason is the brodacsters have to stop brodcasting analog in 2009
[22:20:23] cout: I would have thought smallville would have been broadcast in HD, but the quality of the video is really crappy
[22:20:26] |Torg|: you wil lsee more HD commericals, and see Sd content that had been pillar boxed
[22:21:07] Rommie: Yahooadam: Sorry, had to run off there – if mythflash isn't used, what is?
[22:21:14] cout: it's clearly being broadcast from a source that's not originally HD
[22:21:36] |Torg|: you mean encoded, yes why are you surpised?
[22:21:43] Yahooadam: directhex – cheapest i found was 1gb PC2 5300 for £18.38
[22:21:48] Yahooadam: so i guess it is really that cheap :p
[22:22:49] Yahooadam: cout – you dont seriously expect them to go make all shows HD do u ?
[22:23:12] Yahooadam: even BD/HD-DVD is upsampled, but atleast thats upsampled :p
[22:23:18] |Torg|: hes also using FOX for an example, and they will be the last one, kicking and screaming, to convert
[22:25:41] cout: yahooadam: let me put it this way. if I download smallville off bittorrent it's higher quality than what this station is broadcasting.
[22:25:57] cout: torg: CW, not FOX
[22:26:34] laga: if something is upsampled properly i guess it looks better than PAL upsampled on a HDTV set :/
[22:26:36] cout: yahooadam: it *looks* like they've taken an analog signal and rebroadcast it in digital
[22:26:59] Yahooadam: upsampling /= upscaling
[22:27:14] |Torg|: brodcasters MUST brodcast in HD, byt 2009 they CAN NOT brodcast in anything else
[22:27:26] |Torg|: show creators DO NOT have the same restiction
[22:27:32] Yahooadam: in the USA
[22:27:38] Rommie: Do any shows even film in SD anymore?
[22:27:44] Yahooadam: i thought the USA had to be digital by 2009, not HD
[22:27:45] |Torg|: also it costs MORE for a brodcaster to aquire HD content, and no it dosnt have a damn thing to do with supply and demand
[22:27:58] cout: yahooadam: that's correct
[22:28:10] |Torg|: yes Yahooadam im sorta using digital and HD the same, but in this case it is the same
[22:28:45] |Torg|: the resolutions they can use are 480I/P, 720I/P and 1080I/P altho I do not know of a single station that does 480, and most do 1080I
[22:28:53] |Torg|: there are some holdovers that still do 720P
[22:29:06] |Torg|: most of the content on it is not HD, not even close
[22:29:14] |Torg|: most is 480I upscaled to 1080I
[22:29:26] |Torg|: looks like shit, good quality shit, but still shit
[22:29:46] |Torg|: its VERY VERY comon as more then 80% of the stuff I recive is in that format
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[22:30:01] |Torg|: so what do I do? well I only record stuff that is brodcast in HD
[22:30:52] Yahooadam: seems a bit pointless to me
[22:30:54] |Torg|: so cout if you want to complain about youe 720P being really 480I upscale, call teh broadcaster. If it is a cable company (ie Cox), you should write an email and use /dev/null to send it
[22:31:10] Yahooadam: dunno what the UK's DVB-T is broadcast in, but i think its still the same old pal resolutions
[22:31:18] |Torg|: on second thought really send it, they could use a good laugh
[22:33:05] Yahooadam: so the UK said – were gonna be really really high tech and enforce digital by 2012
[22:33:10] Yahooadam: and then the US came in and said 2009
[22:33:22] |Torg|: actually they said 2007 then relented
[22:33:34] |Torg|: then the cable comanies bitched and they relented more
[22:33:35] Agrajag-: .au originally said 2007 too i think
[22:33:52] |Torg|: cable still has no deadline for being digital in the US
[22:34:01] cout: one of the deadlines was pushed back just recently
[22:34:16] |Torg|: and the sat companies arnt regulated byt eh FCC so they can do whatever the fuck they please (and they do)
[22:34:56] Yahooadam: for all its flaws, US still > UK
[22:35:09] |Torg|: Yahooadam: you forgot the part about where the US said, and well make up our own standard nanny nanny boo boo and call it ATSC
[22:35:20] Yahooadam: lol
[22:35:46] Yahooadam: how do they transmit in the USA , through terrestrial Aeriel's ?
[22:35:56] Yahooadam: and 10KW towers ?
[22:35:56] BULLE: Yahooadam: and here they allready went all digital in 2007!
[22:37:35] |Torg|: yes Yahooadam using the same antennae as VHF/UHF
[22:38:03] |Torg|: and they took all the MW transmitters and repalced with with KW ones
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[22:39:04] dogger: hi I just got mythtv working with my capture card, but when I watch it, it's going to disk every second making a noise... any reason why? I'm not recording or anything,
[22:39:19] laga: it is recording.
[22:39:27] Yahooadam: livetv records to HDD then plays back
[22:39:28] laga: when you watch tv, you're recording
[22:39:58] dogger: hmm how do I stop it doing that?
[22:40:02] laga: if the noise bothers you, make you chan use hdparm to make your driver quieter (be careful and read the documentation!)
[22:40:06] laga: you don't.
[22:40:06] dogger: hard drive going every second isn't good
[22:40:07] BULLE: dogger: you dont
[22:40:11] |Torg|: dogger: pul the power plug from the back
[22:40:34] dogger: but I don't need that functionality...
[22:40:35] BULLE: dogger: if mythtv doesnt spool to hd, how do you think it would implement pause, etc ?
[22:40:45] dogger: I don't *need* pause
[22:40:49] cout: dogger: if the noise bothers you, you might be able to quiet it with hdparm -M
[22:40:53] dogger: it's coming from a sky+ box already
[22:40:56] dogger: hmm ok,
[22:40:56] |Torg|: then dont *USE* mythtv
[22:41:16] dogger: but mythtv is going to let me stream isn't it?
[22:41:26] dogger: to a laptop running the frontend?
[22:41:30] cout: it's hard to watch tv without pause/rewind once you're used to it
[22:41:31] |Torg|: how do you think it does that, magick?
[22:41:47] laga: i think we can cat this channel straight to /var/www/faq
[22:41:49] dogger: I know – that's why I have sky+ that does pause/rewind
[22:41:56] dogger: heh sorry :)
[22:42:11] Yahooadam: well its a bit pointless lol
[22:42:15] cout: dogger: then what do you want mythtv for?
[22:42:16] dogger: I was just surprised at just how HDD heavy it is
[22:42:25] Yahooadam: stop paying another £10/mo for skyplus and switch to mythtv :p
[22:42:39] Yahooadam: or get a quiet HDD
[22:42:45] dogger: I use it to play DVDs, and want to have it stream dvds / live tv to my laptop if it can do that
[22:42:50] Yahooadam: the 6 in my server barley make any noise
[22:43:09] Yahooadam: the one in my 2nd frontend is a bit noisy though
[22:43:29] Yahooadam: just get a reasonably modern HDD, somthing in the 160gb range
[22:43:40] dogger: this is a new 500gb sata
[22:43:57] Yahooadam: madeby ?
[22:44:01] dogger: hitachi
[22:44:03] dogger: why?
[22:44:07] |Torg|: split mythtv and put the BE somewhere else
[22:44:20] Yahooadam: ive got a 500gb HDD and its pretty much silent lol
[22:44:34] Yahooadam: meh
[22:44:36] dogger: yeah I'm considering that now... put sky box in my garage with my other server and run it on that
[22:44:39] |Torg|: loud is also a matter of opinion
[22:44:44] cout: www.silentpcreview.com
[22:44:49] dogger: so how does the frontend->backend work?
[22:44:59] |Torg|: a BE schedules and records, a FE plays
[22:44:59] dogger: does it send video compressed etc?
[22:45:00] Yahooadam: when your watching TV a "quiet" hdd isnt noticable
[22:45:32] GreyFoxx: dogger: yes the recorded/compressed/encoded video is sent over the network to the frontend which decodes/plays it
[22:45:36] dogger: hmm not sure why this hdd is loud then... seems like it should be able to cache it though... I'll check out hdparm etc
[22:45:45] dogger: excellent
[22:46:03] dogger: do I need X to install the backend?
[22:46:19] dogger: oh I guess I do for capture card anyway
[22:46:21] GreyFoxx: you will need the X libraries
[22:46:23] dogger: ignore me
[22:46:28] |Torg|: install no, set it up well sorta
[22:46:32] dogger: sure
[22:46:42] Yahooadam: what distro dogger ?
[22:46:51] dogger: gentoo
[22:47:03] dogger: going to try and run the frontend on my macbook hopefuly
[22:47:15] Yahooadam: hmm not too sure bout gentoo
[22:47:22] Yahooadam: but on ubuntu i just had to install xauth
[22:47:39] dogger: ah ok,
[22:47:41] Yahooadam: that was ubuntu server, so it didnt have any GDM/KDE stuff atall
[22:47:59] Yahooadam: then u just do ssh -X -Y user@ip.ad.dr.es.ss
[22:48:48] dogger: ah cool,
[22:48:57] dogger: I'll give it all a try
[22:49:03] dogger: thanks for the noob help
[22:50:34] dogger: eww hdparm -M said it was set to 'fast' instead of 'quiet'
[22:50:39] dogger: maybe that was some of it then
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[22:56:13] Yahooadam: hmm
[22:56:36] Yahooadam: does linux KVM (the ... emulator ?) allow graphics drivers to work ?
[22:57:48] Yahooadam: virtualiser is probably a more correct work
[22:58:11] BULLE: Yahooadam: dont think so no, as there is no single sane way to "share" a hardware adapter
[22:58:32] BULLE: Yahooadam: i think you can use some sort of framebuffer device though, if my memory serves me right
[22:59:03] Yahooadam: mmmm
[22:59:18] Yahooadam: it would be nice to be able to dual boot
[22:59:23] Yahooadam: but im just far too impatient
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[23:09:15] cout: yahooadam: doesn't vmware let you do that?
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[23:26:40] Yahooadam: cout, vmware uses some funky gfx driver
[23:26:47] Yahooadam: nothing good enough to game on as far as i know
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[23:28:50] Yahooadam: brb, windows demand restarting
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[23:32:13] riddlebox: ha I upgrade all the time and never had to reboot
[23:33:03] cout: yahooadam: hmm, one of the virtualization systems supports opengl, I thought it was vmware but maybe I'm wrong
[23:34:41] laga: qemu does via some hack
[23:34:47] laga: and vmware has some limited 3d support AFAIK
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