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Sunday, September 30th, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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in8:

kormoc: can you look at my frontend log and tell me if you see anything suspect? http://pastebin.com/d713b9cb3

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kormoc:

in8, and Curious George didn't work?

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tplague:

evening

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in8:

nope

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in8:

sorry... had to go look for my son...

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in8:

just bomded back out to the recording menu

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tplague:

anyone using a dinovo keboard with mythtv?

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kormoc:

and thers nothing more in the log?

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in8:

thats the ful log from load to (trying to) play recording to quit

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kormoc:

line 1572 starts the video stream and then it sorta just stops

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kormoc:

none of the normal exity stuff

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in8:

maybe I ^C'ed out I'll post another log...

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tplague:

sorry guys is this channel just for dev ?

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in8:

hrmmm... log won't fit in pastebin.... its only 3800 lines :)

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kormoc:

tplague, no, #mythtv is just devs, this is the user channel

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kormoc:

tplague, hence the -users on the end of the name

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tplague:

okay great

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tplague:

right

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tplague:

thanks

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tplague:

im just looking for some reading for mythtv and the dinovo keyboard ..might someone point me to a site ? wiki dont seem to have any inof on that keyboard

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kormoc:

you might have more luck looking for info on the dinovo and linux

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tplague:

yeah read something just now

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tplague:

needs the lates kernel

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tplague:

it works out the box but for pad and volume workability nees lates kernal

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in8:

okay I had to split the log 1st half: http://pastebin.com/d3baad549

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in8:

2nd half: http://pastebin.com/d16a78384

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kormoc:

in8, see lines 1666, 1668 in part 2

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in8:

the VDP lines?

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kormoc:

aye

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kormoc:

where it says video renderer null

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kormoc:

you sorta need a video renderer to view the video

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in8:

heh...

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kormoc:

the 1669 looks wrong as well

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kormoc:

but that might be related to the null video renderer

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kormoc:

of course, given you are using -trunk and there's the new video rendering interface, bugs like this aren't overly unexpected

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in8:

well how would I go about doing that?

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kormoc:

I would change your video output to say xv-blit from the currentl xvmc-opengl

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in8:

how? setup menu?

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kormoc:

somewhere in the frontend setup, aye, I would imaging under tv playback

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tplague:

anyone have this MB ASUS M2NPV-VM? i setup the spdif modual and it works but i cant seem to control the volume at all now from with in mythtv .

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rooaus:

tplague: Ihave a dinovo edge.

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tplague:

you do?

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tplague:

you get it to work fully ?

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jams:

tplague- correct, you can't control the volume for spdif. either from myth or any other app. Thats all done at the receiver.

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tplague:

damn

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tplague:

hehe

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tplague:

guess i can live with it

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squish102:

would any1 know why my mythfrontend menus are extremely slow, about 3–5 seconds between selecting. if i use vnc on menus it is fast

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squish102:

using nv video driver

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rooaus:

tplague: yeah, works with feisty live cd if you to try.

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jams:

squish102- i would say it's the nv driver

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kormoc:

squish102, turn off the opengl painter?

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squish102:

kormoc no idea, i will try figure out where that is

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tplague:

<rooaus> you got full function with mythtv using that keyboard?

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tplague:

like the pad

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tplague:

and volume

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rooaus:

tplague: was thinking about using the vol slider for searching in video playback.

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tplague:

hmm

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tplague:

thats a good idea

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tplague:

is there linux drives for the keyboard ?

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kormoc:

<tplague> it works out the box but for pad and volume workability nees lates kernal

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kormoc:

tplague, didn't you answer your own question?

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tplague:

yeah

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tplague:

lol

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tplague:

just seing maybehe got it working without that

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kormoc:

you should have asked that then

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rooaus:

tplague: Try the ubuntu feisty live cd, the volume, mute and taouchpad all work. No need for drivers, I think it needs some later event related stuff in the kernel as kormoc said.

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squish102:

kormoc i am using the Qt paint engine

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tplague:

thks guys

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tplague:

one last question

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tplague:

time is off on my mythtv

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rooaus:

tplague: If you really want volume control using spdif I think that there is a possible solution, try googling, but I haven't tried it yet.

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tplague:

how to set it it right

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kormoc:

tplague, run ntp or just set it correctly

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tplague:

<kormoc> is there a frontend menue for the time ?

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kormoc:

no, myth uses the system clock

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rooaus:

it uses system time, use ntp and run the daemon to continuously correct the time.

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kormoc:

make sure your timezone is set correctly

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squish102:

so should i change Qt painter to opengl? or should i attepmt to install the nvidia drivers

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** kormoc shrugs **

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tplague:

okay thnaks guys

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squish102:

is the normal, that you can use the remote/keyboard as quick as you want and it reacts?

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squish102:

does the theme cause slow menus? i have G.A.N.T theme selected (hoping it was simple and fast)

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cornell:

Good evening... I'm trying to recall how to setup myth to restart/reboot automatically. My memory tells me I've set this up, but I can't recall how. Can anybody help?

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kormoc:

squish102, depends on memory usage, but if vnc is speedy, it's unlikely

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kormoc:

cornell, that depends on the distro, which packages you installed or compiled yourself, etc

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cornell:

mythbuntu, kormoc

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cornell:

I'd've thought it would've been myth, not distro, related

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kormoc:

cornell, myth is just a program, the distros handle all the what runs when and all that jazz

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cyrexion:

Is there a way to turn off the default auto expire for recorded media?

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cornell:

My box is apparently restarting about 0630 in the morning, and it's not working... after the reboot... it hangs up. I recall setting mine up to reboot daily at630 (though I may be mistaken). I'm confident it's not a cron thing. I thought it was a myth setup option.

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kormoc:

cyrexion, go to the record profile and tell it to never auto-expire

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cyrexion:

kormoc, is this in the menu somewhere?

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kormoc:

cyrexion, yes

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cyrexion:

the thing is, I want to set that globally so anything I record doesn't automatically get ditched.

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kormoc:

there might be something in mythtv-setup

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Rongo:

If I want to use my remote to jump to the videos page, or to the recordings page, etc.. do I have to bind a key to it in mythtv, and then use that key in the .lircrc? Or is there a way where I can use the .lircrc to directly specify the function, as opposed to the key?

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kormoc:

Rongo, you can set a key to jump to X

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Rongo:

in mythtv? or in lircrc?

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kormoc:

in myth

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cornell:

kormac... I've been through mythtv-setup / general several times, I'm not finding anything. It doesn't seem reasonable to be in Capture Cards/ video sources / input connections or channel editor. You've no memory of this capability?

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kormoc:

it's two o's for one, and second, nope, I don't recall anything like that

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rooaus:

Myth will only auto expire recordings that are marked as eligible, you can toggle the auto expire flag for each recording. You can change the default auto expire setting for new recordings in mythfrontend->settings->tv settings->general. Second page "Auto Expire Default"

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cornell:

oops... figures.. the one time I don't tab it, I spell it wrong, I apologize

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cornell:

Maybe I"m just losing my mind, or my memory. But I"m having a devil of a time figuring out why this sucker's started hanging every day.

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cornell:

On another subject, any body know the meaning of " mythtv — MARK --" in the logs?

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rooaus:

cyrexion: See my post about the auto expire ^^^

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jams:

cornell- it means nothing has been written, so it 's just throwing out --MARK--to let you know it's still working.

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cornell:

I get marks wvery twenty minutes... then about 0630, there's a restart, a few more hours of marks, and then... nada

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cornell:

Thanks jams...

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cornell:

I'll just have to puzzle on this one some more later.

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cornell:

Thanks kormoc

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cornell:

TTFN

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

does anyone know of a user job that can remove the cut segments from a cutlist without having to transcode the video?

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kormoc:

PRoGRaMMeRQ, sure, but you'd be left with a video that can't be played

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tank-man:

why cant it be played?

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tank-man:

PRoGRaMMeRQ, are you asking to take out commercials without retranscoding?

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

yeah

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rooaus:

PRoGRaMMeRQ: There is a lossless transcoder, runs very quick and only recodes the frames either side of the cut.

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

ok

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I'll play around with some settings

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kormoc:

tank-man, cause the index and all that jazz wouldn't match up, as well as having a corrupt seek table

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kormoc:

tank-man, using something like the lossless transcoding would work, but it's still transcoding

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I don't mind re-encoding a few frames

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

that wasn't the point

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tank-man:

/usr/local/bin/mythcommflag --chanid "$chanid" --starttime "$starttime" --gencutlist

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tank-man:

/usr/local/bin/mythtranscode --chanid "$chanid" --starttime "$starttime" --mpeg2 --honorcutlist --outf

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tank-man:

ile $temp

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tank-man:

put that in a bash script and set it as a userjob

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

k

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kormoc:

that will only be fast if the videos are starting as mpeg-2, fyi

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tank-man:

yea

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I have a pvr

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kormoc:

if you have a framegrabber that outputs nuv format, it won't be fast

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

so yeah

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tank-man:

put this as the user job: whatever.sh "%CHANID%" "%STARTTIME%" "%TITLE%"

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dgstinner:

i'm running mythdora 4.0 on my first mythtv box and i can't seem to figure out how to get it to show the channel number when i'm scrolling through the on-screen guide (the one that slightly transparent and overlays the channel you're currently watching)

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tank-man:

you dont need the last option "title"

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tank-man:

wait, that second line will output it to a temp file, type mythtranscode --help to see the options

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

well, what I want to do is 1) flag commercials 2) encode the file, so it takes up less space, 3) manually clean up commercial detection errors (some shows are bad for me), and then set this job to just get rid of cut segments without having to encode a second time, and lose more quality.

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

so, I'm not sure the --mpeg2 is an option for me.

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tank-man:

are you worried about hard drive space?

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rooaus:

kormoc: Ah, didn't think of that as I use DVB-T, good point :)

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I've seen software that can cut and join segments of video files, but I don't know a trivial way to get the cutlist out of mythtv in order to do it.

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

tank-man: yeah, my hard drive is pretty full.

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I guess the commercials themselves don't take up too much room, but multiplied across all my recordings, it adds up.

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tretle:

hi...... my tv card mysteriously started working I think

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tretle:

its showing up in the system status in myth tv as not recording anyway

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tretle:

and when i select tv it shows jibberish on the screen

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tretle:

i need help though

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

did you select the correct frequency table?

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

ex: us-broadcast vs us-cable

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tretle:

when i go into mythtv backend setup and leave the setup it says that its defaulting to start at channel 3 when it doesnt exist

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tretle:

how do I fix this?

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tretle:

also when I try scanning for channels the dialog box comes up.. it reaches 100% but no channels are added

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tretle:

do I wait after this dialog closs?

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rooaus:

PRoGRaMMeRQ: Why don't you commercial flag, fix up the cutlist then transcode. The transcode will delete the commercials that you verified and transcode.

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

it sounds like you haven't plugged a cable or antenna into your card

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I already do that, but if I had it transcode automatically, I could be saving disk space automatically

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cyrexion:

shows I record simply by pressing the "record" button then "record" again to cancel auto delete themselves, even after the fact I set them to "disable auto expire" — strange.

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rooaus:

PRoGRaMMeRQ: Ah, I see.

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dgstinner:

i'm running mythdora 4.0 on my first mythtv box and i can't seem to figure out how to get it to show the channel number when i'm scrolling through the on-screen guide (the one that slightly transparent and overlays the channel you're currently watching)

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rooaus:

cyrexion: The LiveTV storage group has special handling, I think if you cancel the recording it is returned to the LIveTV group.

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rooaus:

tretle: Fix the starting channel in mythtv-setup, it should be set to a valid channel as the frontend will try to tune to it when entering live tv and exit if it isn't tunable.

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tretle:

when in the channel editor and scanning for channelswhen the dialog box closes does that mean its finished?

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tretle:

it still says scanning on the top left

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rooaus:

tretle: I haven't scanned for channels for a few years (and I think there have been some significant changes), so I really can't remember and my laptop that I use for hacking doesn't have a tuner. Sorry.

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tank-man:

dgstinner: press "o"

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venger:

can anyone comment if an amd x2 5200+ would be suitable for a backend for sd and atsc recording?

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clever[rev]:

sometimes when i delete a show

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clever[rev]:

the entire recordings list goes blank

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clever[rev]:

until i back out and reopen it

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rooaus:

clever[rev]: You are using the move to delete group instead of delete option aren't you?

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clever[rev]:

undeleting also causes the but to show up

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clever[rev]:

yes that option is on

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clever[rev]:

if i set it to the deleted group and undelete 1 thing they all disapear

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clever[rev]:

reopening 'fixes' it to show the remaining deleted things

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rooaus:

clever[rev]: There was a fix committed recently to fix that...

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clever[rev]:

ahh

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clever[rev]:

i'll svn update then

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rooaus:

clever[rev]: Here it is: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14567

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clever[rev]:

14541 is my current rev

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clever[rev]:

Closes #4017 Refs #3788. fix empty recorded program listing after deleting on-going recording when "move to deleted recgroup" feature is enabled.

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clever[rev]:

was also triping for me when deleting non ongoing items

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clever[rev]:

and undeleting(wanted to delete it more to figure out how it triggered)

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clever[rev]:

updating...

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Kernel:

hmm anyone know why my channel guide is off by two channels?. ie my channel 52(comedy central) displays whats on channel 54

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Kernel:

ive got it using schedule direct for my towns cable company...im just worried if i goto set a recording its gonna record the wrong channel.

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nordle:

morning....its 3am, and I've bust my myth box. recompiled kernel, tweaked a few things, horribly jumpy experience now. Out of interest, what does cat /usr/src/linux/.config | grep _HZ produce for you?

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nordle:

Also, do people use preempt kernel or non-preempt?

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rooaus:

Kernel: Does you guide data match with what is shown?

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Kernel:

rooaus: well like its displays the right shows on. but for the wrong channel.

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kormoc:

nordle, I use preempt and 1000 htz

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rooaus:

nordle: Same here: prempt and 1000Hz, 2.6.16 self compiled.

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rooaus:

nordle: Do you have your old kernel around?

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nordle:

cheers guys, I did originally have 1000hz, but read in the kernel that 250 and 300 were divisible by PAL 25hz, so assumed it was better.....probably not the case.

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rooaus:

Kernel: maybe you need to adjust the xmltvid for the affected channels.

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Kernel:

rooaus: every channel is off

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Kernel:

not just a few. they are all off

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nordle:

Unfortunately I never bother keeping kernel backups anymore...... I'll try tweaking the preempt stuff first, then put back the 1000hz if no joy. thanks.

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rooaus:

nordle: Search the mailing list, I think there may be a thread or two there relating to the 1000, 300, 250 Hz issue.

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Kernel:

would getting a signal booster boost my picture quality? the cables in my house are all run by my dad who kinda just split them himself. and the cables are all old and the picture quality isnt the best.

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nordle:

ok, will do, thanks :)

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rooaus:

Kernel: Maybe you can help nordle :)

[02:17:03]

nordle:

I'm beyond help ;)

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rooaus:

nordle: Depending on how the kernel was built there may be a /proc/config.gz with the config log.

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rooaus:

nordle: Even from the kernel itself ;)

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rooaus:

+?

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nordle:

Don't think I enabled the config option....booting now... trying 300hz first, then 1000, then off preempt....this may take some time.

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nordle:

I'm also neatly out of beer, which is a travesty!

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rooaus:

Kernel: I am not sure if there is an easy way to fix your channels except manually changing them. It has literally been years since I setup my chans.

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Kernel:

hmm well im trying to find out more. and i just noticed that when i run mythtv-setup then goto the channel editor. its lists the channels correctly. but when im in mythfrontend and goto schedule a recording or switch channels. the info is wrong(off by two)

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kdubya:

Kernel

[02:27:00]

kdubya:

i have seen that

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kdubya:

it happened to me after i switched to schedules direct from zap2it labs

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Kernel:

yea. i kinda rember having this happen b4. but no idea how i fixed it.

[02:27:27]

kdubya:

it worked itself out after a week

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Kernel:

hmm

[02:27:45]

kdubya:

although that probably sucks if you have a lot of stuff scheduled

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Kernel:

maby i need to run mythfilldatabase a few times

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

I'm just curious. I am thinking about getting a hi-def card. If I have basic cable, and I get fox over cable and over the air in hdtv, will myth be able to tell that it is the same channel, and possibly even prefer the hd tuner when possible?

[02:28:20]

Kernel:

well i was wanting to schedule fox's line up for tomorow and then some shows on wed

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kdubya:

are you seeing shows information in offset by 2 channels?

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kdubya:

PRoGRaMMeRQ, of course

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

cool

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Kernel:

kdubya: yea. my channel 6 is displayed as channel 4

[02:29:13]

kdubya:

yeah

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

is it because the chan id is the same for both lineups?

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kdubya:

im sure people that know stuff about databases could fix it manually

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kdubya:

PRoGRaMMeRQ, you can tell it to record something only on certain channels

[02:30:26]

Yahooadam:

hey. im following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/StatusMonitoringHowTo

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Yahooadam:

howcome you cant start monit from /etc/init.d/monit start ?

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Kernel:

kdubya: well the thing is: when i goto mythtv-setup>channel editor. it shows the right info(ie correct channel #)

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kdubya:

yeah, it did that to me too kernel

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

well, say I have two analog, and one hi def card. if I have two shows that are on at the same time, and both are available on hi-def and analog, I'd want the higher priority show to go with the hi def card, but I wouldn't want the other show to be skipped.

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Kernel:

its only in mythtv that it is wrong

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kormoc:

Yahooadam, cause there isn't anyting at /etc/init.d/monit?

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kdubya:

the cahnnels all had the correct names, just the wrong shows

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kormoc:

PRoGRaMMeRQ, so set the hd tuner as the higher priority tuner

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kdubya:

no i think the database has the shows in the wrong channel

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Yahooadam:

kormoc -there is a file there, but the guide says to do sudo monit, instead of sudo /etc/init.d/monit start

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kdubya:

i think its a mythfilldatabase/schedules direct thing

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Kernel:

hmm

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kormoc:

Yahooadam, would need to ask the person who wrote the guide

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Kernel:

but why would it show it correctly in one then wrong in a another?

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

yes, but my question is how does it know that it is the **same** channel between two different lineups? do they have the same channel id?

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Yahooadam:

kormoc – mm, hes right, if i start it from init.d it doesnt work

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kdubya:

do you ever see the acutal show names int he right channel?

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Yahooadam:

but i dont understand why

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kormoc:

PRoGRaMMeRQ, you have to give them the same channel channel id, then yes, they are the same channel

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PRoGRaMMeRQ:

ok

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Kernel:

kdubya: not when using mythtv/mythfront end. in mythtv-setup>channel editor it lists all channels correctly

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kdubya:

right

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kdubya:

it lists the CHANNELS correctly

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kdubya:

but not the SHOWS

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Kernel:

in the channel editor i cant tell. it only shows channel #'s and channel name.

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kdubya:

i was turning it to ESPN, and it said ESPN, but it would be CNBC or something

[02:35:11]

kdubya:

the show name i mean

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kdubya:

CNBC shows on ESPN

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Kernel:

but. when in mythtv/mythfrontend. it lists the shos right. just not for the right channel

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kdubya:

in the guide

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kormoc:

kdubya, can you try running mythfilldatabase --refresh-all ?

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

i thinky ou mean Kernel

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kdubya:

damn i hate this keyboard

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Kernel:

well if i goto channel 52(comedy central) it goes to 52(comedy central) but it shows info for 2 channels off

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Kernel:

kormoc: let me try that.

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kdubya:

Kernel, thats what i meant i just suck at saying stuff

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kormoc:

yes, sorry

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Kernel:

kdubya: lol i do too...

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Kernel:

probly why it took us 5+ mins to realize where saying the same thing ;-)

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

52 is ESPN for me

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kdubya:

we picked the same channel

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kdubya:

AMAZING

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Kernel:

hehe

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kjp:

Anyone here using lirc and an Imon device ?

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Kernel:

kormoc: hey that seems to have worked. my channels are now displaying right thanks :-)

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kormoc:

np

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kdubya:

pff

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Kernel:

lol

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kdubya:

where were you when i was asking how to fix that

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kdubya:

heh

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kjp:

sigh.

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The_Ball:

I heard mythtv is threaded, does anybody know how many cores a mythtv frontend can utilize?

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kdubya:

how many recordings do you want to commercial flag at once

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rooaus:

kjp: not me, but ask your question and someone might be able to help.

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The_Ball:

kdubya, I am referring to a frontend, so playback only

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kdubya:

i dont think it is threaded

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kjp:

I'm just trying to figure out how to get lcdd and lcdproc to work with an lirc driven vfd

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The_Ball:

kdubya, ok thanks

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kdubya:

kjp, it usually helps if you say what part of the setup is giving you trouble

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kdubya:

not that i could help you anyway

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kjp:

kdubya: decent point. i've built and loaded the kernel modules lirc_dev and lirc_imon

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kdubya:

thats still not really a specific question

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kjp:

kdubya: now I run lcdd and it fails to load, so lcdproc fils

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kdubya:

ok

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kjp:

kdubya: i've set it using the lirc driver

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kjp:

kdubya: it says it can't load the driver (lirc)

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kdubya:

yeah man, i said i couldnt help

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kdubya:

heh

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rooaus:

kjp: Permissions on the device? You doing this as root?

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kjp:

rooaus: yep. the failure is when LCDd tries to load the lirc driver

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garth:

how can one delete a category from mythvideo? (no video is associated with it)

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patelm4_:

hello, i was wondering if anyone knew how mythtv displays 1080i on 1280x720 native display

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kormoc:

patelm4_, however you tell it to

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patelm4_:

where are the options for it

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kormoc:

patelm4_, whatever your video driver allows

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patelm4_:

aha, my video card is fairly new, however it is ATI, so i am screwed there

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kormoc:

patelm4_, let's put it this way, your X setup is what does all that, myth just displays video

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patelm4_:

my x display is setup to be at 1280x720

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kormoc:

fyi: http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.as . . . tionID=26907

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patelm4_:

however, when it encounters a 1080i signal, i see some chroma/luma delay

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kormoc:

so myth will take your video and display it in a window that large, so basically down sampling it

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patelm4_:

thx for the link

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kormoc:

it still can work

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patelm4_:

i can display 720p signal fine

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kormoc:

just that you might run into issues that can't/won't be resolved so easily

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patelm4_:

its 1080i, thats giving me grief

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patelm4_:

so, my best bet is to go buy a decent Nvidia card or wait for AMD/ATI to get their act together

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just_joe:

how close in versions does mythback and frontend have to be to work together?

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kormoc:

just_joe, no way to say for sure, but the only safe bet is exactly

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kjp:

anyone have any idea how to activate the component out of my nvidia based m2npv-vm ?

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just_joe:

thanks

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just_joe:

hmm

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garth:

kjp: does it have a component port?

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kjp:

garth: yes

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kjp:

garth: I just don't know the nvidia kung-fu to get component out at 10801

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garth:

kjp: well, this is just a guess, but wouldn't it be pretty much the same as the composite or svideo ports?

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kjp:

garth: I've not found anything concrete on how to turn those on

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kormoc:

kjp, what about the nvidia documentation?

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kjp:

nothing concrete for component

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garth:

kjp, I could give you what I have configured for svideo out

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kormoc:

kjp, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . pter-16.html

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kormoc:

kjp, the entire section is about tv out, including the TVOutFormat option that allows you to specify the type (component is one of them)

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kjp:

kormoc: dude. you da man

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kormoc:

kjp, they ship that readme with all their drivers and link to it three places on the driver download page

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kjp:

kormoc: are you chastizing me for relying on the ubuntu debian package for source and googling with the wrong keywords?

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** kormoc shrugs **

[03:29:27]

kormoc:

just making a statement, take it how you will

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garth:

kormoc: any chance you might know how to delete a category from mythvideo?

[03:30:47]

kormoc:

garth, other then perhaps via the video manager, likely just smacking the DB

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garth:

kormoc: I was afraid of that... (I couldn't find anything in the video manager to do that)

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just_joe:

hmm whats the best way to add a bunch of avi files to my myth server? I don't see an easy import util

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garth:

just_joe: you mean listed in mythvideo or to get the actual files on it?

[03:33:17]

just_joe:

list and playable. ftp can move it there

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kormoc:

just_joe, take a gander at mythvideo

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garth:

just_joe: just make sure you put the files in a directory that's being exported from the server

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just_joe:

you mean i can do it over nfs or cifs etc?

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kormoc:

sure could

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just_joe:

mythdora doesn't seem to have mythvideo wtf?

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garth:

just_joe: actually you have to.

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garth:

just_joe: sorry, that's not entirely true

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just_joe:

i was going to just put them up on the myth server but that sounds better

[03:37:00]

just_joe:

garth – you are probably right but i cant seem to get it to run :(

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just_joe:

when i search for it (whereis) it couldn't find it. maybe my oath is bad

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garth:

just_joe: mythvideo look into a directory local to the machine being used for the frontend. So if you put them all on the server, that server need to export (nfs or something else) the directory so the frontend sees it. If you don't want to put them on the server, the frontend need to have the file locally at the right place

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garth:

just_joe: mythvideo is a plugin to mythtv

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just_joe:

garth i see what your saying, in this case its the same box

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garth:

just_joe: oh, well all the more easier for you

[03:40:33]

just_joe:

oh so the plugin probably isnt installed yet

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garth:

just_joe: meaning whereis won't be able to tell you about it as it's not a separate executable

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just_joe:

im lookingat the mythtv wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo but it doesnt say how to install the pluging

[03:42:27]

just_joe:

oh wait up one level

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garth:

just_joe: well, you might want to double check within mythfrontend first

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garth:

just_joe: or whatever package manager you have available

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garth:

just_joe: under the 'default' menu theme, mythvideo is characterized by the entry "Watch Videos" in the "Media Library" menu, and "Video Manager" in the "Utilities/Setup" menu

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just_joe:

they don't do anything.

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garth:

just_joe: are they there?

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just_joe:

the menu items are there but they werent doing anything

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garth:

well, the 1st item is where the videos will get listed once you add them, the 2nd is the manager to add them to the list

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just_joe:

yeah mythvideo wasnt install. yum install mythvideo fixed everything

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just_joe:

i thought since the menu item was there it was installed

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garth:

there's a 3rd section: "Utilities/Setup"->"Setup"->"Media Settings"->"Videos Settings" , where you configure mythvideo (including the directories to be used)

[03:48:06]

garth:

well, from my experience, menu items only appear if the plugin is installed

[03:49:17]

garth:

in the "General Settings" (in the configuration place) you'll find where to put your video files (note you can have directories within it)

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just_joe:

got it, it's all working now i did update part of myth so maybe that didn't get rebuilt/installed.

[03:51:38]

garth:

well, have fun then

[03:52:00]

just_joe:

thanks for the help i really appreciate it!

[03:52:08]

garth:

np

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just_joe:

i have a large storage server on another box

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just_joe:

its seems like i have to convert my tv recordings to video in order to store them over there

[03:53:54]

just_joe:

can i store current recordings local and move long term ones to another box? I guess I am reluctant to record onto a nfs/cif drive

[03:55:29]

just_joe:

woops out of time I'll have to look into this more later thanks again!

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venger:

anyone using an AMD x2 5200–5600 on the backend and can comment on performance?

[04:06:19]

loops:

anyone have a simple trick to allow mythweb videos to be opened in IE7 via a samba share? file://host/share/<video> doesn't work for some reason.

[04:07:21]

kdubya:

i have a x2 5600

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kdubya:

works fine, its overkill

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venger:

even for atsc?

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kdubya:

yeah man

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Anduin:

loops: There is some place on the settings page you can plug in a base URL

[04:11:14]

kdubya:

i havnt tried but it should be able to play hd dvd and blu ray

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venger:

well thats good then, i dont plan on using my main server just for the backend anyway

[04:11:23]

kdubya:

oh you talking backend?

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venger:

yea man =P

[04:11:34]

kdubya:

dude a 1ghz could do atsc backend

[04:11:58]

kdubya:

commercial flagging would be slow, but other then that the speed of the backend is irrelevent

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kormoc:

venger, atsc is already encoded as mpeg2, so the backend doesn't actually do any work, it just stores it to the drive

[04:13:40]

venger:

right now, on the frontend, i've seen that a celery 1ghz isn't cutting it

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kdubya:

the frontend does all the work

[04:13:55]

venger:

kormoc, good point

[04:13:55]

kormoc:

venger, play back is quite different then storing

[04:15:04]

venger:

would a aging p3.0e prescott fit the bill for a frontend?

[04:15:24]

kormoc:

depends on what you are playing back and the video card and all that jazz

[04:15:35]

kormoc:

but it likely would

[04:15:39]

venger:

well that and a 6800gt

[04:15:42]

kdubya:

if you are just playing back atsc and ntsc it would be overkill

[04:15:53]

kdubya:

video card is irrelevent if the cpu is fast enough, which that is

[04:16:20]

kormoc:

kdubya, atsc can be 1080, which means 3.0 ghz is considered the min by a lot of people

[04:16:33]

venger:

kdubya, i intend to do much more than mythtv, not at the same time, but it will take on more roles, but besides i'm just talking about current aging hardware of mine, why not use it

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kormoc:

kdubya, and the video card is not irrelevant. a nvidia is a much better choice then say intel intigrated or a matrox or the like...

[04:17:07]

kdubya:

yeah yeah

[04:17:19]

kdubya:

3ghz really has trouble with 1080i?

[04:17:24]

kormoc:

it can, yes

[04:17:31]

venger:

it seems logical to me that old agp cards, and old skt motherboards are prime candidates for frontends

[04:19:19]

venger:

kormoc, if speaking from experience can you elaborate on a scenario where 3gz would have trouble handling 1080i?

[04:20:05]

kormoc:

venger, I've seen skippy video off of a 3.2 ghz p4 in the past. Never was able to track down why.

[04:20:38]

kormoc:

venger, I've also seen skippy video off of a 2.6 ghz core 2 duo, and also never was able to track down why.

[04:20:55]

venger:

kormoc, well in contrast its promising to see that it *can* run as expected

[04:21:31]

kormoc:

oh certainly, I'm not saying don't try or that it won't work for you, but just warning ya that you still might have issues

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kormoc:

so much of the it is dependant on things like good mobos and good ram and all that jazz

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rooaus:

kdubya: There was some nvidia related issues with 1080i that caused people probs at one stage.

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venger:

i bet old bioses could introduces delays as well

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venger:

i want upgrade my main server and reuse that p3.0e somewhere else and i'm thinking that as a front end and maybe something like the 5200+ on the backend should be good for a little while

[04:27:13]

venger:

all this isn't in "production" yet, production meaning – released to the living room =)

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ShockValue:

i had a 2.8ghz older p4 that couldnt do 1080i with de-interlacing on.. but then i swapped some parts around and rebuilt it from scratch

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ShockValue:

now the same 2.8 on a different motherboard and a fresh install does it OK

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ShockValue:

so i dunno what the issue was.. but it certainly be an issue :)

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Aval0n-:

guys I have a QAM chan added and for some reason I can't right to it, I have to tune to something else on the same multiplex and then swtich to it

[05:21:09]

Aval0n-:

anyone know if there is a work around to fix that?

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Aval0n-:

if I try to tune it directly I get partial lock]

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rooaus:

clever: Did the latest update fix that delete issue?

[05:44:25]

clever:

rooaus: havent used that frontend yet

[05:44:41]

clever:

and a diff bug(old --prefix sticking) is keeping me from make installing the local frontend

[05:46:03]

rooaus:

clever: np, I was curious. I have just svn up my laptop so I guess I will know after it compiles. :)

[05:46:23]

clever:

i got it compiled and installed on 2/3 systems

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clever:

the master backend isnt in the room

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clever:

the laptop has no lcd panel

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rooaus:

clever: cool, just started the compile myself (unfortunately a distclean is needed if I remember correctly)

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clever:

ouch

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clever:

i rarely clean my build dir's

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clever:

PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin B of device 0000:00:13.1. Please try using pci=biosirq.

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clever:

Yenta: no PCI IRQ, CardBus support disabled for this socket.

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clever:

any idea on how to fix that?

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kormoc:

try using pci=biosirq

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clever:

tried

[05:53:14]

clever:

all it does it change the error a bit

[05:53:18]

clever:

PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin B of device 0000:00:13.1.

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kormoc:

did you set the irq's in the bios?

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clever:

i cant set the irq for the pcmcia/cardbus parts

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kormoc:

you'd need to disable pnp irq handling I'd venture to guess

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clever:

all i can control the irq for are the irda/sound/lpt/serial

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clever:

and sound/irda dont even work yet

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kormoc:

if you disable pnp irq support, other devices will get statically assigned irqs, even if you can't set them yourself

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clever:

k trying

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clever:

loading non pnp defaults

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clever:

everything has an irq/io set now

[05:56:17]

clever:

it also defaulted to floppy booting which i fixe

[05:56:19]

clever:

d

[05:56:52]

clever:

nope still errors

[05:57:02]

clever:

same as allways

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clever:

and my mythtv is trying to install stuff to the wrong prefix still

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clever:

mythtv@media:~/mythtvbuild/mythtv$ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/

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clever:

cp: cannot remove `../../../install/share/mythtv/i18n/mythfrontend_ru.qm': Permission denied

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Aval0n-:

anyone know how to fix this issue? http://readlist.com/lists/mythtv.org/mythtv-users/12/64413.html

[05:59:22]

Aval0n-:

I'm havin the same partial lock problem

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Anduin:

clever: There is something like QMAKE_PROJECT_DEPTH or something like that

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clever:

Anduin: which does?

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kezza491:

Hi

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kezza491:

i cant seem to watch live tv on mythtv but i can watch it thought step using tools like tzap etc but not thought mythttv

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J-e-f-f-A:

kezza491: Did you run mythtv_setup and setup your cards and listing sources?

[06:42:48]

kezza491:

yes

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kezza491:

there card is in the listening

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J-e-f-f-A:

kezza491: What is your tuner card? (what brand?)

[06:43:44]

kezza491:

TwinHan Minio Ter

[06:43:50]

kezza491:

*Mini

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J-e-f-f-A:

kezza491: Is that a DVB card?

[06:45:40]

kezza491:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TwinHan

[06:45:42]

kezza491:

Yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

kezza491: And you've got it setup as such in mythtv-setup?

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kezza491:

i have it set to a

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kezza491:

DVB DTV Capture Card (v3,x)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kezza491: I dunno — maybe this will help: (even if you're not running Ubuntu) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Twinhan_ . . . eezy_Install

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kezza491:

this log wont help will it? http://pastebin.ca/720355

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J-e-f-f-A:

Is '2' a valid channel?

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kezza491:

Yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

kezza491: I'm not sure if I can help much more... I'm in the US, so we don't have DVB-T here... Perhaps you need to do a channel scan in mythtv-setup? [but again, not sure as I don't have DVB-T, just ATSC]

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kezza491:

ahh k thanks any ways :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kezza491: And perhaps to check that you've got the channel frequency table set to 'Default'... (or to specifically what it needs to be if necessary)

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kezza491:

k

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kezza491:

Where about are the channel frequencys kept for mythtv?

[07:09:15]

kezza491:

whats this mean? 2007-09–30 16:38:23.330 DVBChan(0) Error: SetChannelByString(2): Failed to initialize multiplex options

[07:10:18]

kezza491:

is that saying that i cant get its hands on /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 and /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 ?

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tjcarter:

hm, at some point, trunk decided to start showing everything in 16:9 zoom on my Mac..

[07:16:10]

tjcarter:

Anyone know how this happened or how to stop it?

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tjcarter:

Aspect controls don't actually WORK on the Mac, so ...

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rooaus:

tjcarter: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14477 relates to aspect stuff, maybe that is a start.

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nesl247:

Is there a way to have mythtv remove the .mpg files and such when you change a channel?

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rooaus:

welcome nesl247 :)

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nesl247:

thanks lol

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kormoc:

nesl247, they'll expire on their own

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nesl247:

I know, but I'm running out of room, so I need to make sure it's removed more often than 1 day

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kormoc:

when the space hits the expire threashold, it will expire live tv first

[07:57:24]

kormoc:

so just set the threshhold to what you want to reserve

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nesl247:

Ah ok

[07:58:14]

xris:

nesl247: it's not "once/day" it's "whenever mythtv needs the space"

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nesl247:

I've just been spoiled by windows media center, so used to it's style

[08:01:18]

clever:

xris: its not actualy whenever it needs space

[08:01:20]

clever:

its every 10mins

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nesl247:

Just curious, but mythtv mainly being a linux app (dunno if it's even on other os), why does mythrename default to using spaces instead of underscores?

[08:02:07]

kormoc:

clever, it also runs when a recording starts

[08:02:19]

clever:

ahh

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xris:

didn't even know it ran on a timer

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kormoc:

nesl247, cause spaces are nicer then underscores?

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clever:

ive seen my system get down to 1gig free

[08:02:42]

clever:

when its set to keep 2gig at all times

[08:02:55]

clever:

and one of the startup msgs says 2gig min and something about 10mins

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xris:

nesl247: mythrename? that's a really old script, no?

[08:03:07]

xris:

usually people who use that are exporting to windows machines

[08:03:10]

nesl247:

It's what I was told to use to fix the recording names

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xris:

try mythlink — it'll rename or symlink, and has more controls

[08:03:28]

clever:

2007-09–30 03:03:19.938 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Required Free Space: 2.0 GB w/freq: 10 min

[08:03:32]

clever:

thats what i saw:)

[08:03:58]

nesl247:

xris: where is that

[08:04:00]

kormoc:

that's to catch say you copying files over while things are recording

[08:04:09]

xris:

nesl247: contrib, same as mythrename was...

[08:04:18]

xris:

thought I deleted mythrename from svn a year or more ago

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clever:

lol

[08:05:04]

xris:

nesl247: I'm wrong. have the names backward.. mythrename is the new one, mythlink is the old one

[08:05:05]

nesl247:

xris: Is 0.20.2.20070828 old (Probably a custom snapshot for arch)

[08:05:10]

nesl247:

Oh ok

[08:05:11]

clever:

lol

[08:05:20]

** xris needs to sleep, doesn't even know his own programs **

[08:05:25]

nesl247:

So yeah then ah, why does mythrename use spaces

[08:05:31]

clever:

5am here and im not even tired:P

[08:05:34]

nesl247:

_- is the prefered method for linux...

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xris:

because most people doing pretty names are exporting or using a gui

[08:05:49]

xris:

that's the only reason you need pretty names.

[08:05:59]

xris:

well, the only real reason.

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kormoc:

nesl247, there's a perfered method for linux?

[08:06:06]

nesl247:

No, I like to know wtf the file is for when I'm looking at the directory

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xris:

if you're in linux, you should be using mythfrontend

[08:06:26]

xris:

nesl247: spaces work just fine in linux

[08:06:38]

nesl247:

xris: They work, but are annoying

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xris:

nesl247: underscores are more annoying to me. they look ugly

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kormoc:

nesl247, you could always edit the script for your own wants, open source and all

[08:07:15]

xris:

kormoc: actually, I thought I made a parameter for that

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xris:

--underscores

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kormoc:

even easier then :P

[08:08:05]

nesl247:

xris: When you update mythrename in the future then, --underscores should remove the , in the format

[08:08:25]

xris:

huh? remove commas?

[08:08:31]

xris:

why? commas are valid characters

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** kormoc blinks **

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nesl247:

Yes they are valid characters, very odd filename characters.

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kormoc:

not all that odd

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xris:

not when you're trying to represent a tv show name with a comma in it.

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kormoc:

personally I find the null char to be a odd char in a filename, but that's just me, cause the lack of being able to type it and all

[08:10:04]

xris:

nesl247: I live in the CLI, and none of that stuff bugs me. put quotes around things with spaces (tab-complete still works fine), or learn to love backslashes.. commas look just fine, too.

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Can't you type a null via \0 ? ;-) (he left!)

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clever:

my shell adds slashes for me often

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kormoc:

heh, I'm not sure if that works or not

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kormoc:

it might have been more annoyance at not being able to see it rather then the lack of being able to type it or not

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clever:

how would you actualy pass it via cmd line though?

[08:12:50]

clever:

argv is an array of null terminated strings...

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah. Hey- did you have any part of the UpNP code?

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kormoc:

clever, corrupted filesystem

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, negative

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clever:

kormoc: yeah that could show more nulls

[08:14:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Ah... I can't remember who I was talking to a couple of months ago, thought it might have been you. (I'll have to look at comments in the code...)

[08:14:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

I can't get myth to work with more than one UPnP device at a time...

[08:15:35]

** xris twiddles his thumbs while the TMS data imports.... **

[08:16:57]

xris:

only 1.7 million rows... not bad for test data

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clever:

xris: if you disable expiring old data

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xris:

huh?

[08:18:10]

xris:

this is all new data

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clever:

youll be able to get over 2 weeks of data to test on

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xris:

every schedule for the top 25 markets in the US

[08:18:20]

clever:

yeah but if you wanted MORE data to test on

[08:18:33]

clever:

lol that also works(more channels) :P

[08:18:34]

xris:

raw data feed from TMS, for SD

[08:18:41]

xris:

lots of channels.. but no lineup info

[08:18:45]

clever:

ahh

[08:18:54]

clever:

i noticed a slight oddity in my listing tonight

[08:19:12]

clever:

star gate atlantis(on channel asn) showed the wrong name(subtitle)

[08:19:31]

clever:

the tv restarted at season 1 but the guide hasnt

[08:21:34]

xris:

hmm

[08:21:43]

xris:

could depend on when you downloaded the info

[08:21:55]

clever:

mythfilldb seems to be running itself allmost daily

[08:21:57]

xris:

TMS occasionally doesn't update their daily info until 10 AM eastern

[08:22:12]

xris:

and mfdb was buggy for awhile and not refreshing "today" data

[08:22:20]

clever:

ahh

[08:22:28]

clever:

but i get the next 2 weeks in there

[08:22:39]

clever:

so it would have had the same error 2 weeks before it aired

[08:23:07]

xris:

right, but TMS often doesn't have the correct episode info from the networks until a few days beforehand

[08:23:12]

** clever checks next sat to see if its going to still happen **

[08:23:38]

clever:

also a slight problem last week

[08:23:49]

clever:

it said on the guide stargate stargate stargateatlantis

[08:24:06]

clever:

the 2nd one(in the middle) was the start of atlantis(but on the scene of original for half the show)

[08:24:22]

clever:

was half right and half wrong

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tjcarter:

rooaus: thanks for the suggestion/changeset, I'll have a look

[08:25:01]

** xris wishes this script would finish so he can go sleep **

[08:25:08]

xris:

only 200k rows to go

[08:25:21]

clever:

next sat when sg* airs the subtitle is missing completely

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tjcarter:

xris: heh, I wish this thing would finish so I could have some RAM and CPU back

[08:26:34]

tjcarter:

also a few bits in edgewise..

[08:26:51]

tjcarter:

I didn't know it was possible to clog a 5 Mbit uplink ;)

[08:26:58]

clever:

lol

[08:27:14]

clever:

i dont even have 1mbit:P

[08:27:35]

tjcarter:

yeah, it has advantages

[08:27:54]

tjcarter:

but sheesh, when you start clogging it, it takes up your CPU and RAM in the process

[08:28:00]

tjcarter:

And I've got two cores!

[08:28:04]

clever:

dl pron at the speed of light?:P

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rooaus:

tjcarter: np, did you resolve the guide and video prob you had a while back?

[08:28:18]

clever:

winscp(on xp) eats so much cpu that it can only use 10% of my 100mbit

[08:28:23]

clever:

ftp works faster!

[08:28:40]

kormoc:

ftp isn't secure

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clever:

its my private lan

[08:28:56]

clever:

if they cracked my wep i might care:P

[08:29:05]

kormoc:

it's a trade off, security or speed

[08:29:06]

xris:

ok, 32 minutes to import. yay. that kind of sucks, actually

[08:29:12]

clever:

(ive cracked the wep in <2 hours though:P)

[08:29:27]

tjcarter:

rooaus: not a clue.

[08:29:48]

tjcarter:

rooaus: The Mac port of the frontend is only about half-supported anyway

[08:30:22]

rooaus:

tjcarter: that is a pity.

[08:30:29]

clever:

i should try the cygwin port when i get a chance

[08:31:01]

tjcarter:

rooaus: Yeah, it's why I'm so eager to see UPnP stuff advance further.

[08:31:44]

tjcarter:

rooaus: Consider: full UPnP support means that a frontend need only be able to speak that and MySQL to totally replace MythFrontend without worrying about MythTV's protocol =)

[08:32:11]

tjcarter:

As long as the MySQL tables don't change incompatibly, you're good.

[08:33:08]

rooaus:

could be really nice, especially with some of the appliances out there.

[08:34:18]

clever:

just throw linux+mythtv on those and your fixed:P

[08:38:35]

juski:

apart from the fact most embedded hardware is too lame to run mythfrontend yeah

[08:38:50]

juski:

have you seen the UIs of some of those things? they're _nasty_

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clever:

lol

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clever:

think an avr and a hardware mpeg decoder chip could be useable as a frontend:P

[08:40:06]

juski:

anyway how do you propose to do the scheduling if the frontend only has upnp?

[08:40:22]

clever:

yeah that might be tricky

[08:41:13]

juski:

there's a upnp extension for UI stuff but no idea how well that'd work

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** juski goes to measure up to find out how much more wood is needed to finish the cupboard.. **

[08:43:13]

clever:

build a myhtv into the cupboard so you can watch tv in the kithen:P

[08:43:43]

clever:

just need to wedge a lcd panel into the side of one cupboard and run the lines down to another

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GlemSom:

Yestoday I set mythtv to record a show. Three times I switched to the actual channel I was recording since there was commercials on the other channel I was watching. Today I then wantet to see my recorded show, but it's not there... The only thing that is there is the three times I switched to that channel. How can that be? (I'm using a PVR500 card)

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GlemSom:

And for some reason I loose keyboard focus when I've watched TV. The remote works fine though... I've tried evilwm as window manager – maybe I should go for anoter Window manager?

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Schmidt:

is it possible (is anyone doing it) to control mythtv only with a gamepad ? (I'm thinking about the Xbox 360 for pc gamepad)

[11:36:41]

laga:

yes, that's possible

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Schmidt:

Thank you laga :)

[11:38:11]

Schmidt:

Would you that it is hard to do ?

[11:38:26]

Schmidt:

Would you say that it is hard to do ?*

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laga:

i have never done it with an xbox 360 gamepad. check the wiki ;)

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Schmidt:

I will, thanks again :)

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laga:

also, there is a sample joystick config file in the source tarball in configfiles/ i think

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Schmidt:

I will check my distfiles :)

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Schmidt:

On a sidenote, I can't seem to find the entry for BT787 based TV-Cards in the linux kernel config... Anyone know something about this? (Not completely related I know, but somewhat)

[11:54:41]

laga:

maybe because you're looking for bt878 instead? :)

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laga:

it's nunder "video 4 linux"

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Schmidt:

I'll double check :)

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Schmidt:

hmm I find it under "Multimedia Devices->Video for Linux->DVB/ATSC Adapters->Supported BT878 Adapters" but its marked with "---" can't build module or include it in the kernel and the help messages just gives the Kernel Readme.

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directhex:

878? there are DVB cards based on 878?

[12:01:12]

directhex:

i'm only aware of framegrabbers based on it

[12:01:27]

Schmidt:

hmm

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laga:

directhex: yes

[12:01:45]

Schmidt:

Quite new to TV-Cards personally (but ~3 years of Gentoo playing)

[12:02:58]

Schmidt:

Should it be under "Video capture devices" in that case ?

[12:05:26]

laga:

probably

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laga:

but i bet that stuff ahs been documented to death on teh intarweb :)

[12:05:57]

Schmidt:

the problem is that most of them are quite out of date

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laga:

if it's not there you probably forgot to enable something in your kernel

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directhex:

so is bt878!

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Schmidt:

directhex: I'm aware but the kernel still evolves

[12:07:18]

Schmidt:

and I got from a friend :)

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directhex:

no, the kernel is intelligently designed

[12:07:34]

Schmidt:

are you saying the kernel is ID ?

[12:07:52]

Schmidt:

I say it's a pirate and spaghettimonster rules :)

[12:11:42]

Schmidt:

Ah well, I'll go digging and googling. 'til next time and thanks!

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laga:

blah

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laga:

random revisions of the xorg ati driver make my box crash

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Trog1701:

Good Afternoon, all. I'm having a weird problem with mythcommflag on certain programs hanging at a random percentage until killed, at which point it reports 143 commercial breaks found.. Can anyone point me in the right direction for a solution?

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seanos:

mm, where is the imagecache for mythvideo stored?

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seanos:

(i.e. if I wish to update the folder.jpg)

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Belboz99:

Hey all, when I install mythweb it hijacks my webpage

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Belboz99:

I don't get it, I have my webpage as /var/www/domain

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Belboz99:

and mythweb is installed to /var/www/mythweb

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Belboz99:

I guess I'm in serious need of some Apache help :-P

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laga:

check /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and the configs in there

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Belboz99:

Directory "/var/www/mythweb">

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jtheuer:

hi, how can I easily assign the correct chanel-names? they are still called E01, ...?

[13:15:13]

laga:

jtheuer: use the channel editor in mythweb or mythtv-setup?

[13:15:15]

jtheuer:

within mythtv-setup, there is no picture and in mythfrontend I cannot find a way to change the name

[13:15:25]

laga:

jtheuer: ah.

[13:15:36]

jtheuer:

yeh, I don't get it ;-)

[13:15:45]

laga:

jtheuer: www.mythwiki.de – go to HOWTO_Mythfilldatabase. that should help ya

[13:15:56]

Belboz99:

laga, this problem started when I attempted to add security to mythweb

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laga:

and don't use the channel scanner if you want to avoid that ;)

[13:16:21]

laga:

Belboz99: oh, i thought you were using ubuntu.d uh

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Belboz99:

laga, check out my webpage:

[13:17:12]

Belboz99:

dansfah.hopto.org

[13:17:38]

Belboz99:

if you enter the proper username and pass, it says that mythweb.php cannot be found

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laga:

guess you have to talk to the apache guys :)

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laga:

we can't help you if you fuck up your web server config, especially if you don't tell us what exactly you did

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jtheuer:

laga: which EPG source should I use? tv_grab_de_tvtoday tv_grab_de_prisma or nxtvepg? I'm in NRW, Germany using analog-cable-tv. Any sugg?

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laga:

jtheuer: nxtvepg or prisma i'd say

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laga:

there was a new release the other day at http://sfr.mythwiki.de

[13:20:50]

laga:

it's still slow

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jtheuer:

ok, i'll give it a try, thnks

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Belboz99:

apache guys are jerks

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Belboz99:

just kept on telling me read the documentation

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Belboz99:

I was following a Mythweb security guide

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Nik_Doof:

my tv is setup as 4:3, but soon as myth switches to 16:9 the OSD font becomes squished and unreadable, anyone know a fix? Only happened since the vid branch merge

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bolly:

hi where can i find the myth web configuration? (i'm using mythdora) i need to set it up on a different port to 80

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S2:

usually it's in /etc/httpd or /etc/apache

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S2:

Nik_Doof, it's probably a bug

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dgstinner:

i installed mythtv using mythdora 4.0. when i use the up and down arrows on my hauppauge remote to see what's playing on other channels, i only get the channel name on the left. i don't get the number also. how can i fix that?

[14:02:44]

Belboz99:

hey, how do I configure mythweb to follow symlinks?

[14:09:08]

Dagmar:

dgstinner: use a different theme

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Nik_Doof:

ooo interesting

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Nik_Doof:

just changed my osd theme and that font issue is gone, looks like its a issue with retro-osd

[14:14:53]

Dibblah:

Oh, deep joy.

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dgstinner:

i've used the retro theme and the media center theme and both won't show the channel number

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Dibblah:

tv_grab_uk_rt is now doing "As <national channel>" for regional listings.

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dgstinner:

it shows up in the regular program guide, just not the one that slightly transparent when you're seeing what's on other channels

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Nik_Doof:

Dibblah: oh joy, what channels does that affect or is it all of em?

[14:16:34]

Dibblah:

Actually, it looks like a temporary issue last week.

[14:16:47]

Dibblah:

BBC One is where I see it in the data.

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Nik_Doof:

RT getting lazy eh

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Ozymandias2:

is their an easy way to get the files in mythtv renamed so I can archive them?

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Nik_Doof:

mythlink tool in contrib?

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Nik_Doof:

or mythrename :)

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Ozymandias2:

looking for these files now

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jtheuer:

nextview successfully grabbed EPG, but can I also export the Channels? (E01=RTL and so on?)

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arm-bar:

I have been getting this error while starting my frontend.I am using the svn trunk. Anyone seen this before? http://pastebin.com/d359e21f1

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arm-bar:

Registering Internal as a media playback plugin.

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arm-bar:

pure virtual method called

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arm-bar:

terminate called without an active exception

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arm-bar:

Aborted

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directhex:

looks buggered

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directhex:

that's the technical term

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Nik_Doof:

lol

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mothersuperior:

hello

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mothersuperior:

Anyone a expert at setting up sound on mythtv?

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BULLE:

mothersuperior: there isnt any sound setup in mythtv realy

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Ozymandias2:

just ./join #alsa

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mothersuperior:

I get no audio

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Ozymandias2:

they helpped me with the alsa device names

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mothersuperior:

when im in mythtv

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mothersuperior:

but I get audio when im out of it

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mothersuperior:

./join #alsa

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BULLE:

mothersuperior: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Audio

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BULLE:

mothersuperior: tried those tips ?

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mothersuperior:

ya

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Sesse:

hi. since upgrading my kernel to 2.6.22 (ie. new ivtv drivers), my mythtv (0.20.2) refuses to let me record anymore:

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Sesse:

2007-09–30 16:03:59.944 TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

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Sesse:

2007-09–30 16:03:59.946 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

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Sesse:

2007-09–30 16:04:00.299 MPEGRec(/dev/video1) Error: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl

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Sesse:

eno: Bad address (14)

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Sesse:

and then it immediately gives up

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Sesse:

any ideas?

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Sesse:

the _output_ on the pvr350 works fine (at least after I upgraded the X server; I don't use the hw mpeg-2 decoding)

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jams:

what did you update from? you might need to delte the cards and add them again

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Sesse:

2.6.19.2

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jams:

what was the ivtv driver?

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Sesse:

0.10.4, I think

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Sesse:

how do I delete just one? (I have others that I want to keep)

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Sesse:

all I see is "delete all" and "delete all on <my hostname>"

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jams:

highlight the card you want, and press the menu button "m"

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Sesse:

thanks

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Sesse:

let me try adding them back

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Sesse:

that's strange. now it doesn't even appear to try.

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Sesse:

2007-09–30 16:54:31.516 TVRec(5): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

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Sesse:

2007-09–30 16:54:31.519 TVRec(5): HW Tuner: 5->5

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Sesse:

and then the frontend gives "could not initialize video"

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Aval0n-:

anyone know how to fix this issue? http://readlist.com/lists/mythtv.org/mythtv-users/12/64413.html

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Aval0n-:

same thing is happening to me

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Sesse:

ah, just a frontend issue

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Sesse:

jams: works fine now, thanks

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Sesse:

on a related note, do I need the svn version to get to join multicast iptv stuff?

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jams:

don't know, i really have not paid attention to iptv

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Sesse:

mm, ok

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Sesse:

iptv got a bit more interesting after the national broadcaster here started broadcasting in full dvb over multicast :-)

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mothersuperior:

Where is the Location of setting.pro on ubuntu

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directhex:

mothersuperior, erm... you're building from source?

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laga:

re

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mothersuperior:

nope

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mothersuperior:

I've seen some people post saying

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mothersuperior:

You have to modify this file to get your sound to work in mythtv

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mothersuperior:

But I can't find it

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directhex:

settings.pro is a source file

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mothersuperior:

so i can't edit it?

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laga:

what file do you have to modify?

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directhex:

mothersuperior, not unless you're building from source, and i'm ENORMOUSLY suspicious of your reference

[15:12:08]

mothersuperior:

What do you mean enormously suspicious of my reference

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directhex:

i can't think of any situation where you'd need to alter settings.pro by hand to gtet audio in myth

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mothersuperior:

Ya.. I doubt it

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mothersuperior:

But documentation sucks

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mothersuperior:

for mythtv and audio

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laga:

that was back then when i started with 0.15.1

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directhex:

you haven't described anything about your setup at all, so fixing your problems isn't exactly easy

[15:14:22]

directhex:

distro, audio setup, sound card, drivers, tv cards, etc etc etc etc etc

[15:14:36]

rukie:

Where do I adjust the way mythtv saves files? Thats possible right? To change the filenames into their tv shows or osmething..

[15:14:50]

directhex:

rukie, you can change after the event with a script named mythrename.pl

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rukie:

is that an independent script or one shipped with mythtv?

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mothersuperior:

0 [ICH5 ]: ICH4 – Intel ICH5

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mothersuperior:

Intel ICH5 with AD1985 at 0xf7fff800, irq 22

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mothersuperior:

1 [CX8801 ]: CX88x – Conexant CX8801

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mothersuperior:

Conexant CX8801 at 0xf5000000

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mothersuperior:

Im using the latest version of ubuntu

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directhex:

rukie, it's in contrib or somesuch

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jams:

rukie- it's in the contrib folder

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rukie:

thanks :-D

[15:16:08]

mothersuperior:

My tv card is a ati all and wonder

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bolly:

reboot

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mothersuperior:

Does that help directthex?

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directhex:

mothersuperior, okay, so a framegrabber. and sound looks like an i845 motherboard?

[15:17:14]

directhex:

mothersuperior, recent ubuntu should mean no issues with a sound daemon, looks like an issue with getting sound out of your framegrabber

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directhex:

mothersuperior, does it work using another tv app like kaffeine, or tvtime?

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mothersuperior:

One second

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fryfrog:

unix perms, anyone recall the values?

[15:20:23]

fryfrog:

1 = write, 2=read, 4=exe?

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fryfrog:

no :/

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directhex:

the reverse

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i never remember that

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fryfrog:

but thankfully, it is in teh man page i've just discovered

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AndyCap:

meh. dvbscan confuses tv for radio .

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fryfrog:

damn you dvbscan!

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mothersuperior:

directhex tvtime keeps closing out right when I launch it

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mothersuperior:

Opps sorry direct got disconnected

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jduggan:

anyone here using ntl/virgin STB with their myth?

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DustyBin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/7017794.stm

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mothersuperior:

direct would you want 2 vnc into my computer?

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jtheuer:

do i need an external prog to change the channels? (bt787 analog card)

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directhex:

jtheuer, yes, you need something to change channels on it

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directhex:

mothersuperior, how would i be able to check audio is working, exactly?

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jtheuer:

directhex|work: something? ;-)

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Aval0n-:

anyone know if there is a way to view the status of active tickets on mythtv svn?

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directhex:

jtheuer, an ir-blaster

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jtheuer:

are you shure?

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directhex:

i'm always sure

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jtheuer:

is it not possible to change the channel via keyboard?

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jtheuer:

I mean... tvtime works fine for example...

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directhex:

jtheuer, it does?

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directhex:

jtheuer, if that's working, then no, you should be okay

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directhex:

jtheuer, i suspect your ntl box is retransmitting channels via RF. quality is shit (then again, you use a framegrabber)

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jtheuer:

thougth an it-blaster is only needed for set-top boxes ot simething like that...

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directhex:

you may have an upper limit on the number of channels you can tune to which is much lower than you should get otherwise

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jtheuer:

directhex what is a ntl box?

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directhex:

jtheuer, shit, i was confusing you with jduggan

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jtheuer:

directhex sorry

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nordle:

I've just found something, took about 2 hours of titting about. Using an Athlon64 + VIA based mobo. Using the newer PATA drivers in the 2.6.22.9 kernel results in shocking performance. UDMA is still enabled, but video is juddery, loading apps, menus etc is poor.

[16:14:21]

nordle:

http://pastebin.com/m1aebfdc5

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nordle:

This test, while simple, benchmarks various basic performance attributes. Interestingly, the 2.6.7 kernel appears to be _faster_ than todays verysions. Given that they were tested on the same system, except todays test it has an Athlon64–3700 as opposed to a 3200.

[16:18:17]

Aval0n-:

damn

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nordle:

The test which highlights the issue is "Time required to tar and zip all 100 of the random files", 50/50 it was 2.7s or 14s! Using the original ATA driver and it's 1–1.5s

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Aval0n-:

I ripped this dvd but it's not showing up in watch videos

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nordle:

Aval0n: Do you have to go into Video Manager to make it update the list?

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Aval0n-:

hmm I didn't see video manager

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laga:

nordle: did you perform this test on a clean file system every time?

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fxfitz:

After recording something, the file is extremely big (an hour show is like atleast 2 gigs). Is there any way that after you record it there is a way to make it smaller for storage purposes.

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Aval0n-:

nordle I see it in video manager

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Aval0n-:

isn't it supposed to show up in watch videos though?

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Aval0n-:

it made it an iso

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Aval0n-:

was I supposed to save it as something else?

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nordle:

laga: The test on 2.6.7 is old, and not a solid test, given the different distro etc. The more important test was the 2.6.22.9 based tests. These were performed after bootup at runlevel 3. After replacing kernel, booted and test again.

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Aval0n-:

to show up in videos

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jams:

fxfitz- it's called transcoding, there are several tools out there.

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fxfitz:

jams, But are there any options built into MythTV?

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jams:

transcoding it to a divx file would result in a smaller file

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Aval0n-:

weird

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jams:

not built into myth, but you could setup a user job to run after the recording is finished.

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Aval0n-:

it's there now under videos

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jams:

there might already be a contrib file.

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jams:

Aval0n-- by default files are not listed under videos' until you run video manager to add them to the list

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nordle:

I just thought I'd mention it, given its perhaps not an obvious consideration for performance issues. Fair enough, it probably would be after you've exhausted any video settings and checked your devices are using DMA etc. But should this info be on the wiki?

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jduggan:

from which version of myth can you semicolon seperate mythtvideo directories?

[16:25:51]

jduggan:

iirc it was a recently added feature

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laga:

why the hell are they adding new features in the ubuntu feisty kernel which break my mythtv boxen?

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Aval0n-:

jams I went into video manager and didnt' see any options

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Aval0n-:

but after entering it and leaving it, it showed up for me.

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juski:

um.. because they're 'cool'? ;)

[16:28:22]

Aval0n-:

<shrug>

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jams:

Aval0n-- correct, because video manager did a scan and saw the file

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directhex:

laga, which ones?

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Aval0n-:

ahh cool

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nordle:

laga: What's the problem?

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Aval0n-:

thanks jams

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Captain_Murdoch:

jduggan: that's been there at least a year.

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** juski feels drunk **

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laga:

directhex, nordle: they added support for intel's G33 chipset. that commit breaks my i830m box, though. anayways, i've already filed a bbug against ubuntu gutsy which just needs to be adjusted.

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jduggan:

Captain_Murdoch: Ok

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Aval0n-:

jams: do you know what dir dvd rips are typically stored in?

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juski:

Aval0n-: the first mythvideo dir probably

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jduggan:

Captain_Murdoch: i moved house and stopped using mythtv about 10months ago, just trying to get it back and running correctly :)

[16:30:11]

Captain_Murdoch:

I think much longer. way longer tha mythtv supported multiple dirs which is going on ~10 months for trunk.

[16:30:22]

juski:

or alternatively, where you configured it to

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jduggan:

next stage is to workout how im going to connect to my virgin STB

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Aval0n-:

juski: hi, and thanks

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juski:

jduggan: composite. no svideo out :(

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Aval0n-:

anyone know if there is a way to view a status on an open svn trouble ticket?

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juski:

if it doesn't say 'closed' already, it's still open. no way to tell if anybody is working on it

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Aval0n-:

ah ok

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Aval0n-:

do they email with any updates at all?

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juski:

what sort of updates?

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Aval0n-:

if someone has been assigned or if it's been looked at

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juski:

the -commits list gets traffic from people updating stuff onto tickets

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Aval0n-:

ahh ok

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juski:

there's no way to see if anybody is looking at it

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Aval0n-:

cool

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Captain_Murdoch:

Aval0n-: are you talking about one in particular? someone here might know something about it.

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juski:

I can't wait to go back to work tomorrow. to have a rest!

[16:35:24]

juski:

well, time to get back to it

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Aval0n-:

Captain_Murdoch: one sec

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Aval0n-:

I heard something about Zap2it stopping the XMLTV listings, can we still use them? Or can I not find the link to get them :P

[16:36:24]

Aval0n-:

[08:22am] <laga> www.schedulesdirect.org

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Aval0n-:

[08:22am] *** jono (n=jono@ubuntu/member

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Aval0n-:

oh damn it sorry

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Aval0n-:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4034

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Aval0n-:

how the heck did that channel conversation even get in my buffer

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directhex:

magicks!

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Captain_Murdoch:

that ticket is probably a danniel or janne thing. I was wondering if it was anything I would know about since I have 20+ in my view right now, but I don't know anything about that ticket.

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Aval0n-:

ahh ok

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Aval0n-:

thanks for looking anyway.

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Aval0n-:

I guess for a work around you could schedule a 2 minute recording on the first channel first

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Aval0n-:

but that would get annoying :)

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Aval0n-:

;m'

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jduggan:

what sort of start up times have you guys got your myth boxes running at? ive a combined frontend/backend booting from bios to main menu in 28seconds, is that about normal?

[16:58:49]

jduggan:

(think i could take 5 seconds off that if mysql were running on another box)

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laga:

28s seems pretty good, imho

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Staticwave_Ace:

if it weren't for the stupid RAID bios I could cut 5 seconds off something like that

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Staticwave_Ace:

desktop machines are just not designed to boot quickly

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Staticwave_Ace:

my laptop does a far better job

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jduggan:

oh i know something else i was going to ask.. bit lame but does anyone know if anyone has made any specific grub images for mythtv?

[17:00:16]

jduggan:

:o

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Staticwave_Ace:

what do you mean?

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Staticwave_Ace:

you mean the boot menu?

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jduggan:

ya, its only up for 1second

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DustyBin:

when will songs of praise get axed?

[17:00:46]

Staticwave_Ace:

I disabled it completely

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laga:

i compiled the first stage of grub with -OmgSoOptimized and the box is booting 200% faster

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jduggan:

Staticwave_Ace: what if you have a problem?

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Staticwave_Ace:

jduggan: boot CD

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jduggan:

i guess

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Staticwave_Ace:

I need to fiddle again with suspen2

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Staticwave_Ace:

*suspend2

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Staticwave_Ace:

see if I can get that working

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jduggan:

i'll leave it as it is for a few weeks until its proved itself stable, then optimise grub

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jams:

if your looking to speed boot times i wouldn't bother with suspend2

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Staticwave_Ace:

it seems to be effective at reducing boot times on my laptop

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linagee:

was everything in black and white in the 1950s? :)

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in8:

kormoc: you alive in here?

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peengers:

hey, any ideas as to why I would get a blank screen in mythfrontend after having successfully detected channels and stuff in setup?

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peengers:

only when I watch tv mind you

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kdubya:

analog or digital

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peengers:

digital

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kdubya:

QAM or OTA

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kdubya:

or some country other than the US

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peengers:

nope

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peengers:

US

[17:28:51]

peengers:

dvb-s card

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kdubya:

so, QAM?

[17:29:32]

peengers:

looks like it

[17:29:55]

kdubya:

well when you do a QAM scan you will pick up all of your digital channels

[17:30:05]

peengers:

yep, got those

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kdubya:

but 99% of the time only 6 or so of those will be watchable

[17:30:22]

kdubya:

the rest are encrypted

[17:30:36]

peengers:

these should be watchable, they're off of an unencrypted bird

[17:30:59]

kdubya:

unencrypted bird?

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peengers:

and I don't get any keyboard response except double escape letting me exit the tv

[17:31:18]

peengers:

yeah, satellite

[17:31:24]

peengers:

galaxy 10R

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kdubya:

oooh

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peengers:

about 30 channels there

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kdubya:

ive never used that stuff

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in8:

anyone ever run into an issue that was fixed by changing the hostname of the system?? :)

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peengers:

what's wierd is that the only key on the keyboard that does anything in tv mode is the escape to exit

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in8:

finally fixed my re-installed box by doing so....

[17:32:27]

peengers:

I should at least get a epg popup or something

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kdubya:

yeah you should

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peengers:

I think I'll recompile with no acceleration switches and see what happens

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peengers:

probably some retarded opengl thing

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in8:

would it be safe to delete hostname specific settings data directly from mythconverg on my master backend?

[17:34:40]

kdubya:

well turn off opengl

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peengers:

yeah I am

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jams:

in8- yes, they will be recreated with the defaults.

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in8:

jams: ok thanks...

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peengers:

huh, willing to bet it's not linked against the nvidia xvmc file

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vizo:

hello everyone

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foxhunt:

hello i have a question i would like to delete the video files directly from the videoplayer plugin, so that i can delete my divx files direct after watching.

[17:58:00]

vizo:

is there any plugins for mythtv to handle nzb files?

[18:00:30]

directhex:

what on earth is nzb?

[18:00:43]

laga:

furry hentai?

[18:01:38]

AndyCap:

directhex: warez

[18:01:58]

directhex:

ah. some crazy-ass container forma, for when mkv isn't obscure enough?

[18:02:18]

AndyCap:

directhex: nah. some usenet equivalent of torrent files

[18:02:37]

directhex:

usenet? how quaint!

[18:02:56]

** directhex hands vizo a penny-farthing and a monocle **

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AndyCap:

it's probably the biggest warez hangout not to get raided by the authorities

[18:04:36]

directhex:

probably because it's such a massive pain in the arse

[18:06:36]

AndyCap:

not to mention you get to hang out with the hamster.duct-tape people

[18:07:01]

directhex:

i hang out on irc with someone whose main contribution to the world is a scary goatse fetish

[18:08:20]

AndyCap:

http://xkcd.org/318/

[18:09:41]

ShockValue:

weird.. i just rebooted and now all my music is playing 50% too fast

[18:09:58]

directhex:

ShockValue, no, your brain is 50% too slow

[18:10:08]

ShockValue:

could be, i do have quite a hang over

[18:10:30]

ShockValue:

but im pretty sure these girls singing to me shouldnt sound like chipmunks

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kash:

no warez chat please

[18:14:08]

ShockValue:

hrm.. gossamer threads suggesting its a 44.1 vs 48k problem

[18:14:24]

ShockValue:

havent found the thread that tells me how to fix it yet though :)

[18:14:29]

directhex:

possible, but only if you have a completely junk asound.conf

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directhex:

most sensible distros should have a non-crap asound.conf though

[18:15:45]

ShockValue:

i dont even have an asound.conf

[18:16:06]

ShockValue:

i put alsa in my kernel config and spdif worked with no tweaks

[18:18:02]

ShockValue:

hrm, that seems strange now that i think about it.. where is my soundcard info being stored

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wazquis:

ain't it possible to background a dvd rip-job and watch tv while?

[18:49:33]

directhex:

yes

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wazquis:

how?

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directhex:

that's another question

[18:50:04]

juski:

unless of course you're using a framegrabber and the dvd rip/transcode is eating all your CPU

[18:50:13]

wazquis:

and i only have one question a day? ;)

[18:50:36]

directhex:

one free question. after that you need to purchase a support plan from directhex inc.

[18:50:55]

wazquis:

juski: uhm... lots of CPU left, but don't know if it's using framegrabber to rip..

[18:51:04]

wazquis:

it's a fresh installed knoppmyth

[18:51:09]

juski:

what kind of tuner card do you have though?

[18:51:17]

wazquis:

hauppauge pvr 350

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juski:

ah so no cpu being used for encoding

[18:51:42]

juski:

well, it's likely the dvd transcoding is eating what little cpu you have left :P

[18:52:16]

wazquis:

okay, i see now it has some cpu left ;)

[18:52:58]

wazquis:

but how can i try to background it... it seems like i'm only having 2 options... "0 new rip" or "9 cancel job"

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juski:

renice ?

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wazquis:

on the gui...

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vizo:

hmm

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directhex:

wazquis, hit escape!

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wazquis:

directhex: hehe, thought that would cancel the rip :)

[18:54:14]

directhex:

wazquis, no, 9 cancels it

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Staticwave_Ace:

clearly 9 cancels the rip ;)

[18:54:28]

wazquis:

yes yes :)

[18:54:37]

wazquis:

okay, it works...i can watch tv while it's ripping...thanks

[18:55:07]

vizo:

how can you see those rips on another mythtv frontend in the house?

[18:55:40]

juski:

vizo: by the magic of network file sharing :)

[18:57:08]

wazquis:

what a friendly channel ;)

[18:57:34]

vizo:

just thinking that

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juski:

and?

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vizo:

but at least the question was anwered

[18:58:05]

directhex:

erm, you think this is unfriendly? you really haven't used irc much

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juski:

what more do you want for free? we don't do oral here

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vizo:

bwahaha

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Staticwave_Ace:

lol

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laga:

at least not publically

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juski:

speak for yourself laga

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directhex:

i'd also suggest educating yourselves with http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/5/ if you feel affronted by swift efficient answers

[18:59:09]

laga:

heh

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juski:

ugh. I keep burping & all I can taste is red wine :(

[19:03:37]

directhex:

juski, there's an easy solution to that

[19:03:54]

juski:

yeah I know – drink a man's drink in future

[19:04:06]

laga:

well

[19:04:07]

directhex:

i was gonna say "drink lots of white to cancel it out"

[19:04:15]

laga:

just imagine what it'd taste like if we DID oral in here.

[19:04:36]

juski:

doesn't really bear thinking about

[19:04:57]

juski:

doggy had his injection today :)

[19:05:15]

juski:

got to go back in 2 weeks for another one but hey

[19:06:03]

juski:

then went for a big walk & found out he really doesn't like horses. Gonna have to get some advice on how to handle him when he starts going beserk

[19:09:10]

** laga had a nice day trying to figure out whehn the radoen driver was broken **

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laga:

s/radoen/radeon/

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Staticwave_Ace:

anyone tried a nouveau driver with mythtv yet?

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juski:

damn. uplugged my machine my mistake

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laga:

last i heard even the nouveau guys weren't using their driver in production yet

[19:11:22]

Staticwave_Ace:

there's full 2D support (with XV) on the NV40 series

[19:11:59]

Staticwave_Ace:

many distros have replaced the NV driver with nouveau

[19:12:08]

Staticwave_Ace:

for the default driver

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laga:

which distros?

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Staticwave_Ace:

fedora core for one

[19:13:16]

Staticwave_Ace:

this was me reading stuff randomly, so I can't confirm any others

[19:14:43]

laga:

ah, it's based on the "nv" driver for 2d stuff

[19:16:22]

Staticwave_Ace:

I believe they're using the current nv, the "pre-sanitized" nv, and reverse engineering

[19:16:39]

juski:

hmm sane isn't making my scanner lamp turn on, and the scanner is making some pretty bad noises

[19:16:49]

** laga gotta run, cya **

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** juski thinks it's broked **

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xris:

make sure the motor isn't locked for transport (usually a switch on the back of the scanner)

[19:20:49]

juski:

nah it's not locked. it was mrs juski knocking it off the desk by accident after the last time I'd used it

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armbar:

hello

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armbar:

anyone know what would cause my frontend not to start? I am using svn trunk.

[19:25:44]

armbar:

pure virtual method called

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armbar:

terminate called without an active exception

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armbar:

Aborted

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armbar:

This started today after svn up on mythtv mythplugins and myththeams.

[19:26:51]

armbar:

all are at At revision 14577.

[19:27:27]

xris:

-v all

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armbar:

xris: http://pastebin.com/d49247839

[19:35:08]

armbar:

I do not see anything telling in that

[19:35:35]

armbar:

btw, this is a remote fromtend

[19:36:11]

xris:

google has the answer

[19:37:29]

armbar:

what? Which line?

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armbar:

I have found this but it did not help http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/290018

[19:39:44]

xris:

that's what I found

[19:40:07]

armbar:

xris: I am bulding the plugins that way I always have

[19:40:27]

xris:

could try running without them

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xris:

and install one-by-one to see if one is the culprit

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armbar:

ok, I will give your advice a shot

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xris:

only thing to do to narrow down the cause

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armbar:

xris: I ./configure --disable-* and still have the same error... http://pastebin.com/de44bc75

[19:53:41]

xoritor:

ok so i have this kickin laptop that i would like to make a slave backend... its here most of the time but i take it with me on occasion

[19:53:54]

xoritor:

does anyone see any issues with it "leaving" for a few days?

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xoritor:

i would like it to be available to transcode/etc... the hdtv content to reduce load on the master mainly

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xris:

armbar: if you didn't uninstall the old stuff, it won't help

[19:55:53]

xris:

xoritor: most computers are designed to stay on.

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armbar:

xris: make clean ?

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xris:

armbar: uninstall

[19:57:01]

xris:

as in, remove the old files

[19:57:10]

xris:

I don't think myth has a way to automatically do that.

[19:57:15]

peengers:

any dvb-s users in here?

[19:57:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

xoritor: better to run mythjobqueue on it and you can bring it online/offline as much as you want without issues. if it's online and there are jobs to run, it will run them. set your other servers to only check the jobqueue every few minutes or so and set the laptop to check every minute so it has a better chance of getting jobs first.

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xoritor:

Captain_Murdoch: any docs on that so i can read up?

[19:58:57]

xoritor:

i have no man page

[19:59:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

not much to read up on. just setup the jobqueue settings like you would for mythbackend (ie, run mythtv-setup and go to the jobqueue pages). then instead of running mythbackend on the laptop, run "mythjobqueue" instead.

[20:00:02]

xoritor:

as a cron job?

[20:00:13]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, run it like you would run mythbackend.

[20:00:15]

xoritor:

or just "sart" it

[20:00:26]

xoritor:

ok.. so it runs as a daemon

[20:00:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

or just run it from the command line if you only want to run it occasionally.

[20:00:38]

xoritor:

interesting

[20:00:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

it does not background itself, so you have to take care of that.

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xoritor:

aah

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xoritor:

but running it from cron would be ok?

[20:01:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

if you run it from the command line and leave it running for a while, it will process jobs while it's up. if you stop it in the middle of a job, that job should get restarted on another machine eventually (ie, not right away).

[20:01:18]

xoritor:

hmm

[20:01:19]

xoritor:

ok

[20:01:40]

xoritor:

so i really dont need the full backend running

[20:02:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

no, mythjobqueue runs only the JobQueue part of mythbackend, so it's a little lighter.

[20:02:27]

DustyBin:

Captain Murdoch, are you Ian Murdoch ?

[20:02:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

No, Rupert

[20:02:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

:)

[20:02:45]

DustyBin:

o+0

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xoritor:

cool

[20:02:56]

** Captain_Murdoch is the JobQueue guy **

[20:02:58]

xoritor:

Captain_Murdoch: thx

[20:03:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

and Captain_Murdoch is after the A-Team guy.

[20:03:23]

xoritor:

LOL

[20:03:48]

xoritor:

thx a ton again...

[20:04:19]

Captain_Murdoch:

yw. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythjobqueue

[20:04:25]

xoritor:

yea i read that one

[20:05:10]

Captain_Murdoch:

that page needs some editting. some slightly false assumptions in there. I'll keep it up in my browser and try to edit it sometime.

[20:05:17]

xoritor:

heh

[20:05:27]

xoritor:

well i hope this is exactly what i needed

[20:05:39]

xoritor:

well... wanted ;-)

[20:06:01]

xoritor:

the system is working great on its own... just wanted to reduce some load from the main backend

[20:06:01]

Captain_Murdoch:

I occasionally start up other mythjobqueue servers to speed up processing of things.

[20:06:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

setup a job window so jobs only get run overnight.

[20:06:30]

xoritor:

although... it would be nice to add this hd-dvd rom into the whole mix

[20:06:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

my window goes from midnight to 5pm I think so I never have to worry about anything interfering with my nightly recordings.

[20:07:12]

xoritor:

this laptop is my "desktop replacement" so its here 90% of the time... i have a separate laptop for work

[20:07:20]

xoritor:

cool

[20:07:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

you'll need to have your recordings directory mounted on your laptop in order to transcode.

[20:07:49]

xoritor:

maybe i should just run the full on backend... that would give me extra stuff and still let it process too right?

[20:08:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

no reason to run a full backend unless you have tuners.

[20:08:17]

xoritor:

and when i have to take it with me it should not "kill" the master though right?

[20:08:23]

xoritor:

i have an hdhomerun

[20:08:38]

xoritor:

and this does have a tuner in it

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xoritor:

but its not supported by *nix ;-)

[20:08:50]

Captain_Murdoch:

master won't even know it's gone. the JobQueue talks directly to the DB and picks up jobs to process and updates the table when it's done.

[20:08:54]

peengers:

this is pretty lol

[20:09:10]

xoritor:

and i dont think it ever will be

[20:09:26]

kash:

biggio's last bat :(

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armbar:

xris: a make clean did it

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xris:

ah, cool

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xris:

yeah, should always do make clean or make distclean before compiling.

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xoritor:

ok one more question

[20:15:27]

xoritor:

is there a way to make mythtv use **any** dvd drive instead of telling it a specific one for mythdvd?

[20:16:08]

** Captain_Murdoch doesn't have a DVD drive in his mythbox so he doesn't know. **

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Tanthrix:

Er, myth supports the hdhomerun doesn't it?

[20:16:14]

xoritor:

i have 2 dvd drives in the main machine...

[20:16:15]

xoritor:

yea

[20:16:26]

xoritor:

Tanthrix: i have one that i am using with zero issues

[20:16:36]

xoritor:

it was actually easier to setup than the internal cards

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Tanthrix:

Oh, sorry – read your earlier statement wrong. (Thought that you were saying it wasn't supported)

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xoritor:

as a matter of fact i have ditched the internal as a tuner as its only std. def and i am only doing hd now

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xoritor:

hehe

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xoritor:

i am actually thinking of setting up another one

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Bernardo:

hi

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kdubya:

HI

[21:01:57]

Bernardo:

I'm trying to get a HVR-1110 DVB-T+Analog card to work on mythtv, and I'm getting really crappy sound

[21:02:16]

Bernardo:

microphony, I think it was the description of this kind of sound

[21:02:43]

Bernardo:

I've limited the sample rate to 32000, and doesn't help

[21:02:59]

Bernardo:

any ideas what should I try to get decent sound?

[21:03:16]

Bernardo:

I forgot, I' using svn trunk under kubuntu 7.10 beta

[21:03:38]

Bernardo:

I can get decent sound with a "basic" analog card

[21:08:09]

Rommie:

Wouldn't you want a higher sampling rate?

[21:08:31]

directhex:

isn't the 1100 a framegrabber hybrid? the 1300 is the first encoder hybrid

[21:08:55]

Bernardo:

I tried 44100 and 48000

[21:09:00]

Bernardo:

the same crappy sound

[21:09:19]

Bernardo:

this is the 1110, not the 1100

[21:10:15]

Bernardo:

cx88xx based

[21:10:33]

Bernardo:

The sound is given by cx88_alsa

[21:10:52]

Bernardo:

I was hoping someone was using something similar enough

[21:13:38]

Rommie:

Bernardo: Why do you think its the sampling rate thats giving you bad audio?

[21:13:48]

Rommie:

Bernardo: How does it sound "crappy" ?

[21:16:17]

Bernardo:

Rommie: it sounds like a really bad reverb, with lots of "tin"

[21:16:33]

Bernardo:

like way old "robotic"sound efects

[21:16:58]

Bernardo:

I don't think it's the sample rate, I am just looking for what is wrong here

[21:17:19]

Rommie:

That doesn't sound like bad sampling rate, that sounds like a bad speaker system or bad source audio...

[21:19:28]

Bernardo:

the speaker system is good, and using "sox -r48000 -c2 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp1 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp" and xawtv gives me good sound on the same card

[21:19:44]

Bernardo:

I'm trying again 48000 sampling rate

[21:20:41]

Rommie:

THen its probably something setup wrong with mythtv

[21:20:46]

Bernardo:

still bad

[21:20:55]

Bernardo:

yes, and I can figure out what

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Bernardo:

I don't know if mythbackend is cpu starved and messing up the sound, or something like that

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DustyBin:

"I gotta get in shape now; too much sitting has ruined my body... too much abuse has gone for too long... no more IRC no more bad food no more destroyers of my body... every muscle must be tight...."

[21:27:13]

Bernardo:

another question I have is how can I set station icons using xmltv grabbers

[21:27:27]

Bernardo:

I know the one I use (tv_grab_pt) can fetch icons

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SpittFyre:

Hey guys... does anyone know if Happauge HVR 1600 works with Mythtv yet?

[21:34:22]

SpittFyre:

Hello... anyone here?

[21:34:23]

Yahooada1:

did u try looking in the wiki ?

[21:34:29]

Yahooada1:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

[21:35:06]

SpittFyre:

no, I haven't been there

[21:35:08]

SpittFyre:

I'll check it out

[21:35:12]

SpittFyre:

thankz

[21:35:22]

Yahooada1:

also, waiting more then 4 minuites in IRC isnt uncommon

[21:37:02]

SpittFyre:

it looks like it's not yet

[21:37:34]

SpittFyre:

is it possible to use only partial capabilities of the tv tuner

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SpittFyre:

like, I just need to get the regular cabple signal... I don't care about OTA digital

[21:38:37]

SpittFyre:

do you know if there is a way to find out if it even has partial support?

[21:39:25]

juski:

SpittFyre: I think only the digital part of it is supported at the moment and that's likely to stay that way for a while

[21:40:22]

juski:

if you want to do analogue & digital, right now by far your best bet is to get separate cards

[21:41:17]

juski:

booooooyaaaaaaa.. how the hell did I find the energy to refit my bathroom last year? I put a new cupboard in under the stairs & it's taken everything out of me :(

[21:41:38]

juski:

oh yeah.. that was 12 months ago B.D. (before doggy)

[21:42:05]

SpittFyre:

juski: I only need analog at this moment but I have a HVR 1600

[21:42:31]

juski:

if you were supplied that in a pvr150 package, talk to hauppauge about swapping it for a pvr150 card

[21:42:49]

juski:

linux support for most of that card isn't gonna happen for a good while yet

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SpittFyre:

no I actually went and bought it because it was the same price as a lower model.. and I figured to invest in the future

[21:43:55]

juski:

oops

[21:43:58]

SpittFyre:

but i didn't realize how far into the future I'd have to go.. haha

[21:45:42]

SpittFyre:

alright, guys, thanks a lot... I'll just keep waiting and use MythTV without the TV, i guess

[21:45:57]

juski:

when it comes to hardware support in linux it pays to check _before_ you buy anything

[21:46:40]

BULLE:

and check again

[21:46:50]

BULLE:

so they just dont have a new revision of the hardware, that doesnt work in linux =(

[21:47:19]

SpittFyre:

true, true

[21:47:22]

juski:

in the event of not having money to burn, I'm not buying a mac mini til I know for sure their dvi-video adapter works in linux in PAL mode. Either that or I get a TV with DVI in

[21:47:28]

Bernardo:

never mind the icons question, google is a friend

[21:47:50]

** Bernardo will fight analog sound tomorrow **

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juski:

JFGI strikes again :)

[21:49:51]

** Bernardo is away: Ausente por agora. **

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BULLE:

Ausente pro agora ?

[21:52:58]

BULLE:

una cerveza por favor!

[21:53:13]

juski:

google it. you'll find a log of Bernado in an ubunut channel ;P

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directhex:

juski, but you hate hdtv! where would you get dvi in?

[21:54:04]

juski:

directhex: in a 32" flat screen TV, that's where

[21:54:37]

juski:

all I need is another Â£800 worth of donations & it's all mine

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BULLE:

hm, 32"flatscreen costs ukp 800 ?

[21:55:54]

BULLE:

thats like, 1000 euros or more ?

[21:56:00]

juski:

I imagine a really good one does, yeah

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BULLE:

dunno realy

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juski:

I wouldn't plan on spending much less unless there wasn't much to tell it apart from a cheaper one

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BULLE:

around here, stores dont seem to carry hig end 32" anymore

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juski:

so be it :)

[21:57:05]

BULLE:

its low end 32" for around 500–600 euros, and the highend comes in 37+

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juski:

I spend about the same amount on my current TV

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BULLE:

ye, i still have an crt based tv

[21:57:34]

BULLE:

still havent seen an lcd/plasma that beats it, when it comes to sd media

[21:57:42]

BULLE:

and as i only have sd media, and no hd, uppgrading doesnt make much sense

[21:57:57]

juski:

I don't even need a thin TV really. I mean the stand with the amp & mythbox etc on has to be _so_ deep anyhow...

[21:58:06]

BULLE:

juski: ye, same here

[21:58:13]

juski:

and unless we change our fireplace, no putting the telly there

[21:58:32]

juski:

not unless we all want to get stiff necks :P

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juski:

jees it's almost gone 11pm again

[21:59:20]

juski:

ah well, nose properly back to the grindstone tomorrow night

[21:59:25]

Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

howz ure script coming juski

[21:59:31]

Yahooada1:

?

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juski:

what script? !

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juski:

oh that.. I decided not to make your life easier after all

[22:00:24]

juski:

but seriously though it looks like at least the idea of it is gonna be incorporated in the grabber :D

[22:01:16]

jams:

youch according to that myth orphan script i need todo some cleanup

[22:01:19]

Yahooada1:

:)

[22:01:30]

jams:

http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autog . . . g&full=1

[22:01:30]

Yahooada1:

and :(

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jams:

262GB of unknown recordings

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juski:

I think I'm gonna disable my 2nd monitor. firefox opening on random windows is plain BS

[22:02:42]

laga:

juski: worked better here in kde...

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Yahooada1:

no better then windowz juski

[22:02:53]

juski:

Yahooada1: worse than windows

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juski:

for a general desktop environment I can't fault linux

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laga:

just need to configure the nvidia driver properly ;)

[22:03:39]

juski:

but still none of the apps I wanna use can hold a candle to software I've paid money for

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juski:

I tried removing a background from a photo using GIMP. oh man. I wanted to poke my eyes out

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juski:

just like photoshop :D

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Yahooada1:

lol

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juski:

well, time for bed or I'll be cranky tomorrow

[22:05:07]

Yahooada1:

gnite juski

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juski:

oh wait.. I'll be cranky tomorrow anyway ;)

[22:05:18]

juski:

g'night all

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lwizardl:

Hi

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fryfrog:

has anyone expanded their linux kernel software raid5 before? know if it is possible to exapand by 2 devices?

[22:09:11]

fryfrog:

i've added 1, but i have 2 more 320G drives otw and wasn't sure if i could insert both at the same time

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Aval0n-:

damn this partial lock thing is annoying.

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lwizardl:

since the last pc i tried to use for mythtv refused to work with my antenna i'm building a new one. If i plan to have a desktop, frontend, & backend in this system for now what specs should i stick with for this to not be slugish and provide good recordings

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Aval0n-:

juski: are you good with QAM dvb stuff?

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Tanthrix:

lwizardl: What kind of tuner?

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Aval0n-:

hi tanthrix

[22:23:28]

Tanthrix:

Yo.

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Aval0n-:

:)

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Aval0n-:

brb..

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lwizardl:

Tanthrix, I have a PVR-150 for my antenna use

[22:25:05]

Tanthrix:

lwizardl: Well, that barely uses any CPU for recording since it does it with its onboard encoder.

[22:25:36]

Tanthrix:

For comparison, my first setup was a 1.1 GHZ Athlon / 512mb / PVR-150 backend/frontend that worked quite nicely recording and playing back SD material.

[22:26:46]

Aval0n-:

I have a pvr500 and kworld 115, p4 ht 3.4ghz 1 gb rom

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Aval0n-:

ram*

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Aval0n-:

when recording 2 sd chans, my hd stutters a bit

[22:27:04]

Aval0n-:

for playback

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Aval0n-:

weird

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Yahooada1:

fryfrog – should be fine

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lwizardl:

mine is going to be a 1.6ghz amd 64 x2, 1gb ram, with a seperate drive for the recordings (7200rpm)

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armbar:

hello, Is it possible to change the language settings in mythfrontend or is that a OS setting?

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Yahooada1:

it is indeed possible armbar

[22:40:16]

armbar:

I cannot find this info in the wiki... do you know how to do this?

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laga:

change it in the settings screen

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armbar:

it is not in genral AFAICT

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Yahooada1:

?

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quink:

hey. I followed the guide on the website to enable MYSQL to allow LAN connections but its not working right.

[22:52:14]

quink:

Is there something else i might need to know?

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Hilikus:

hi guys

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Hilikus:

how do i get the channels guide??

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quink:

Hilikus: channels guide?

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quink:

meaning how do you download the data or how do you access it on screen?

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lwizardl:

how does this sound for a system to record 2 SD shows at same time, 1.6GHZ AMD Athlon 64 X2, 1GB DDR Ram, using a 2 PVR-150 cards

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siXy:

lwizardl: HDDs?

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lwizardl:

7200RPM 60GB

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ShockValue:

60Gb isnt much storage if you plan to keep any of yoru shows.

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ShockValue:

its OK though if you plan to watch and delete

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siXy:

also that sounds like a slow HDD to m

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ShockValue:

7200 is pretty standard.. its plenty fast for SD

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lwizardl:

I plan to put them onto dvd

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Hilikus:

quink access it on screen, im trying to use ETS or whatever its called and i want to see if it works

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quink:

lwizardl: hdd's are cheap. you can get 200gigs for like $50

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siXy:

ShockValue: rotation speed bares almost no relation to data transfer speed

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quink:

Hilikus: check the docs, i'll link you

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Hilikus:

i understand it only works with digital signals right?

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ShockValue:

siXy: so how do you know enough to say its a slow HDD?

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lwizardl:

quink: yeah i know i plan to build a backend with with a couple 400GB drives

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quink:

Hilikus: actually check mythweb if you have it installed it shows all the keybindings

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siXy:

ShockValue: not many 60GB HDs were made that were much good for data transfer speeds

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quink:

siXy: my first myth system was running on a single 60gb drive :P

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siXy:

quink: did you try and record 2 shows simultaneously on it?

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quink:

yes. But at the time tuner card drivers were flakey

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quink:

i did a pvr250 and a generic card

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quink:

went ok.

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quink:

Since the pvr's are hardware based i doubt you'll have issues.

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kormoc:

siXy, rotational speed does have direct impact in seek times and when doing multiple streams (writing or reading) at the same time, it's directly related to performance

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lwizardl:

cool becuase I should get all the stuff I ordered by friday

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siXy:

For flawless recording with 2 tv tuners personally i would be looking at somehting with a >9ms random access and >40MB sustained write. also simultaneous read/write speeds matter

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quink:

Hilikus: can't seem to find the page i was thinking of. But i'm positive its easy to find in the docs

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quink:

kormoc: you have a point, but with any modern disk thats not an issue

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Hilikus:

im in settings/ key bindings, i just need to know if its called ITV menu

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siXy:

kormoc: this is true. but in practice I have seen some incredibly slow 7.2k rpm drives, and some very fast ones (well fast for ide/sata..)

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kormoc:

quink, when talking bout 60 gig drives, it does matter

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quink:

kormoc: modern small drives are fine

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kormoc:

siXy, I think you likely forget just how slow 5400 rpm drives actaully are :P

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quink:

16:00 < lwizardl> 7200RPM 60GB

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kormoc:

quink, if there's no difference between a 5400 rpm and a 7200 rpm drive, why did we switch to 7200 rpm ddrives?

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quink:

i thought he said 7200?

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kormoc:

quink, and siXy said that the rpm doesn't matter, and I'm saying it does

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quink:

kormoc: my mistake. Yes 5400 isn't sufficient.

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quink:

(unless its a fancy drive with a lot of cache on it, the partial SSD thy are coming out with)

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lwizardl:

7200rpm is what i have

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siXy:

kormoc: yeah – 5.4k is worse – but there is a vast difference in speed between the good and bad 7.2k drives, and this is what i meant by 'doesnt matter'

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quink:

Hell i might be able to test this if i could dig up another tuner. I have a 5400rpm drive in my mythtv system(my old laptop drive)

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Hilikus:

yah i found it, its not working, damn i need free listings for canada!!

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siXy:

ive seen 7.2k drives that peak at ~15MB/s ... and thats really pushing it for 2xtuners

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kormoc:

siXy, well, that's a given, data density and just improvements in head seeks help a lot, I have 7200 rpm drives that give 40 mb/sec and others that give out 90 mb/sec

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kormoc:

siXy, not at all, that's plenty

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quink:

modern 7.2k drives should do 50mb/s easy

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lwizardl:

this is an older drive from 04

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lwizardl:

Avg. Seek Time (Read) 8.7 ms

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quink:

lwizardl: questionable. I think it might be ok if it was a fast drive then.

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siXy:

kormoc: in theory? yes in practice? not sure i agree – you are unlikley to get close to peak speeds when simultaneously recording 2 mpg streams

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kormoc:

siXy, SD streams average around 2.2 mbit a second, that's 281k a sec

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kormoc:

siXy, two streams with overhead are still under a single meg a second

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kormoc:

plenty of room

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quink:

is there a way to get seek time in linux?

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quink:

only thing i know of is hdtach in windows.

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siXy:

my first frontend had a ***** HD that just could not cope with recording 2 streams at once – espeically if you also wanted to watch somehting

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kormoc:

hd is very different then sd

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kormoc:

he has sd, due to the type of tuners he has

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siXy:

s/HD/HDD

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kormoc:

ahh

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lwizardl:

yeah its just for sd for now

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quink:

hahah. just tested my system out. my two, fairly new, drives in hardware raid 1 do 37.80mb/s, a 500gig samsung drive does 75.23mb/s, and my 5400rpm 2.5"(laptop) sata drive does 30.76mb/s

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kormoc:

my first mythbox used a 4800 rpm 12 gig drive, could handle two streams and watching just fine

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lwizardl:

when i get a working understanding of myth builds and can get a working system then i'll get the hd stuff

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quink:

kormoc: hardware encoding tuners, right?

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kormoc:

quink, negative, bttv software tuners

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quink:

wtf.

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kormoc:

quink, was running on a p4 2.4 ghz

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lwizardl:

i have one of those cards

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quink:

oh.

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quink:

my amd athlon nearly had a heart attack when i tried that.

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quink:

110% cpu usage.

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kormoc:

mpeg-4 encoding, nvidia card

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lwizardl:

somewhere i think its like bt8tv

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siXy:

kormoc: out of interest, which HDD did you get 90MB/s out of? i dont think ive got close to that on a desktop drive

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quink:

I need to upgrade my cpu a couple hundred mhz so i can watch hdtv better.

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quink:

siXy: newer terabyte drives do that, i think.

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lwizardl:

this is the hdd i plan to use temporary http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=900

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siXy:

the time will soon come to add another HDD or two and the faster the better

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siXy:

ah ok – i havent played with them yet

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quink:

hell see the speed on my 500gig drive?

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kormoc:

quink, I get ~ 55 MB/sec off of my raid 1 of 320 gb sata-2 wd, 120 MB/sec off of my 3x raid 5 500 gb stat-2 wds

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quink:

kormoc: yeah i dunno whats up wthi my raid. But not much i can do about it. it just works at least.

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kormoc:

siXy, aye, the 1 tb drives average around 85 to 90 MB/sec in raw read rates via hdparm

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siXy:

now if I could persuade my work to let me have one of the big FC SANs..... :D

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quink:

got the raid card off ebay for like 50$ or osmething. can't complain

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kormoc:

I switched to software raid for my home systems

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quink:

kormoc: i just wanted something that'd work good and easily with the least work on my part.

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quink:

its a dell cerc raid card or something. uses adaptec AAC-Raid

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kormoc:

oh ick :P

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quink:

yeah. cheapest hardware raid that works easily.

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quink:

None of my myth stuff is on those drives. email, personal files, all my photos and such. 2x250 in raid 1, with backups of the important stuff ot the laptop hdd(80gig)

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kormoc:

my myth stuff is on a single 200 gb drive

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kormoc:

it trashes enough with just myth on it :P

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quink:

Covers what i need. And the couple windows computers i have backup to a partition on the Raid1.

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siXy:

quink: um what is wrong with software raid? i dont think i have a single positive word for those dell raid cards

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quink:

siXy: i did it for a while. All i have to say is it wasn't as redundant as I hoped when i had a drive failure

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siXy:

lwizardl: yeah that maxtor should be ok – i had one fairly similar not too long ago (before it died)

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quink:

I ended up losing a bit of data. Something just didn't work right. At least with hardware raid its more foolproof, in my opinion.

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siXy:

quink: were you using LVM by any chance?

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quink:

I set it and forget it. Has nothing to do with teh OS

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quink:

siXy: yeah. among other things.

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lwizardl:

siXy, cool because this drive still has no bad sectors

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kormoc:

quink, LVM != software raid...

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quink:

kormoc: i know

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quink:

I tried a few things out, it was a while back so i don't remember exactly.

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siXy:

quink: yeah i now avoid linux LVM like the plague. ive yet to find a better way of losing lots of data than sticking it on linux LVM

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kormoc:

quink, I'm confused, what raid level did you setup and expect to be redundant and wasn't?

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quink:

raid 1

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kormoc:

and how wasn't it redundant?

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quink:

I lost data.

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** kormoc blinks **

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quink:

heh

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kormoc:

there's no way to, it's excact mirrors...

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kormoc:

*exact

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quink:

Like i said, it was long enough ago i don't remember the specifics, but i ended up loosing data.

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kormoc:

well, uhh, I'd love to hear specifics, but that's just f'ed up

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quink:

Though it could fall under the category 'shit happens'

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Ogabee:

Over the past couple of days a swath of "Unknown (Unknown)" has worked their way into 20 or so of the channels in my myth epg. And while not consistant, they happen between 9p – 11:30p Everything had been working fine up until this manifested itself. What's causing this to happen and what's the standard fix? (thanks in advance for any info :)

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quink:

and it might have been me that messed up completely.

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siXy:

kormoc: Ive lost data doing software raid5 when using linux LVM – because even when the raid5 was repared the LVM had corrupted and I couldnt get it back on its feet again

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quink:

But either way hardware raid is more set it and forget it. I should have less issues.

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quink:

afk

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brad_mssw:

anyone know of a dual ATSC/QAM tuner card?

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kormoc:

siXy, the thing is, that never should happen, whatever you layer on top of the raid has no bearing on the raid itself

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quink:

brad_mssw: hdhomerun is an interesting device. check that out

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kormoc:

Ogabee, talk to your listings provider

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siXy:

yeah i dont blame the raid at all – i just think linux lvm is a big pile of **** (although it may be better these days...)

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Ogabee:

ScheduleDirect you mean?

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kormoc:

Ogabee, if that's your provider, then yes

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brad_mssw:

quink, was hoping for a PCI or PCIe card ...

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kormoc:

Ogabee, there's a place to report listing issues on their site

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Ogabee:

Kormoc – ok – thanks :-)

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my2keh:

man it's so wierd, seeing the USD price HIGHER then the CAD price

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mzb_d800:

I use LVM on raid1 everywhere I can ... never have any problems

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lwizardl:

not counting size what should i look for on a hdd for hdtv use

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mzb_d800:

btw, the statement that "LVM != raid" might not take into account that you can do a "kind of" raid0 with LVM

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** xris grumbles at the pitiful performance of TMS on lineup problems **

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, raid0 is striping, lvm can't (currently) do striping, it can murge them into a single virtual disk, but you won't get the speed benefits that you do with raid0

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xris:

kormoc: thought that lvm2 did striping

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bsdfox:

hey what commercial detection method do you guys recommend? I am getting false detections quite a bit :\ (especially during football and baseball games). almost all my actual commercials are being flagged

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xris:

bsdfox: I use "all"

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bsdfox:

it does not

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mzb_d800:

kormoc: that is not correct

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bsdfox:

xris: that's what I'm using too but it sucks

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xris:

bsdfox: what kind of tuner do you have?

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bsdfox:

pvr500 and pvr250

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kormoc:

xris, I know it was planned, doesn't seem to be an option with my lvm2 tools

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xris:

bsdfox: analog cable?

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bsdfox:

kormoc: I use raid0 with lvm

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bsdfox:

xris: yes

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kormoc:

bsdfox, you mean you use lvm striping and not raid0 or you use lvm on top of raid0?

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bsdfox:

lvm on top of raid0

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mzb_d800:

see -i and -I options

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kormoc:

bsdfox, I'm not saying that doens't work. I'm saying that lvm's striping != raid0

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, which version of the utils?

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mzb_d800:

lvm2

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** kormoc sighs **

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mzb_d800:

I can assure you that it works (as raid0)

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xris:

bsdfox: only recommendation I have is to turn up your recording quality... but commercial detection is a horribly inexact science, so there's not much to do

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, that doesn't actually tell me what version you are using

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

the machine I _was_ using it on has lvm2 2.02.06–4

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, I'm using lvm2–2.02.27 and there is no -i or -I options

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mzb_d800:

man lvcreate

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mzb_d800:

3rd and 4th options

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my2keh:

i find the commericial detection works well

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my2keh:

commercial that is

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bsdfox:

I'm already capturing at 6000

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mzb_d800:

wench:~# lvdisplay -C | wc -l

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mzb_d800:

71

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kormoc:

mzb_d800, not there, donno if perhaps I'm missing a compile option or something then

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kormoc:

but shouldn't affect man pages I would have thought...

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mzb_d800:

self-compiled, or distro?

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kormoc:

Gentoo, so both

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mzb_d800:

:)

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mzb_d800:

either way, LVM does have raid0 (striping) capability, and it does work quite well (if you like raid0) ;)

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bsdfox:

uh

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mzb_d800:

s/like/use

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bsdfox:

what kinda performance do you get

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kormoc:

bsdfox, would depends on way to much to say

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kormoc:

stripe size, number of devices, filesystem options

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kormoc:

work load...

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bsdfox:

wow

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bsdfox:

you seem like a tool

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kormoc:

bsdfox, and you seem stupid for thinking things like that wouldn't matter

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my2keh:

lol

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kormoc:

reading a 3k files on a 128k stripe size would net you a loss in performance then a contiguous 500 meg files on a 128k strip size

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mzb_d800:

I experimented for a while with different stripe sizes while using striped LVM and got quite reasonable performance out of the "server"

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mzb_d800:

the nice thing about LVM stripes is you can have different stripe sizes for each LV ... so experimentation is easy

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bsdfox:

mzb_d800: have you compared it to md raid?

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kormoc:

bsdfox, so in raw numbers, you'd be able to get X* more speed then 1 device, but in reality you can't really say

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mzb_d800:

bsdfox: kind of ... but I've upgraded machine + drives since then, and now using LVM + raid1

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mzb_d800:

at that time, I had a P3–650 with 2x60GB drives (on ata66 ports;) so performance wasn't exactly "stellar"

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mzb_d800:

wench:~# dd if=/dev/md0 bs=4K count=500000 of=/dev/null 2>&1 | grep copied

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mzb_d800:

2048000000 bytes (2.0 GB) copied, 30.6803 seconds, 66.8 MB/s

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jedix:

yawn

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mzb_d800:

(SATAII drives clipped to SATAI)

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Hilikus:

why is mythtv creating files when im watching live tv??

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kormoc:

Hilikus, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . n_Live_TV.3F

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