Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, September 28th, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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matspekkie:

is it possible to rip a audio while doing something else??

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erlogan:

I have an otherwise-functional setup with a Hauppauge PVR-500 that won't tune outside the VHF range of channels (2–13), displaying only static. The channels are definitely there on the cable. Ideas?

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matspekkie:

erlogan did you select the right standart ( pal ntsc etc...\

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WeezeyD:

My encoding box has two PVR-150s in it and with SVN from a couple weeks ago and it just crapped out again today when recording two channels and then flipping to two more

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WeezeyD:

who broke my TV?

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erlogan:

Yes. Channels 2–13 work fine.

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WeezeyD:

this worked before, perfectly but I needed SVN for Sched. Direct.

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Agrajag-:

no you didn't

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WeezeyD:

I didn't feel like patching

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Agrajag-:

you could've used 0.20.2

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WeezeyD:

no, I was running SVN previously

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WeezeyD:

it worked perfectly as of August first.

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Agrajag-:

i think it's a bit unfair to say "who broke my TV" when you're using unstable code

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WeezeyD:

and before that I had to jump into SVN because I needed the async db patch, which made my whole world happy.

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WeezeyD:

I just want to know who so that I can help them fix it.

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WeezeyD:

I don't hold it against them, (my neighbours might because they have to wait an hour to watch CSI now.)

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matspekkie:

weezy it might be the mysql database is different from the previous version

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WeezeyD:

it upgrades that on the fly.

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matspekkie:

what is the problem

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WeezeyD:

recording two shows, two PVR-150s, two frontends (seperate hardware in separate homes watching separate shows) both see video pause at 8pm when the backend changes two cards' channels and starts two new recordings. mythbackend is still running but neither frontend could connect to it and mythweb showed it as disconnected.

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matspekkie:

it uses a new protection thing where you have to fill in a password to connect

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matspekkie:

so did you upgrade the mythfrontend as well?

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WeezeyD:

had to, different versions of front/back

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clever[rev]:

i set the PIN to 0000 like the help said so it doesnt ask

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riddlebox:

if I have a pvr-500 and am recording two shows at once, can I still watch a pre recorded show on my mythfrontend? Or will that cause a problem?

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matspekkie:

that should be fine

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WeezeyD:

riddlebox: if it's not, you need to write a letter

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matspekkie:

worked on my setup until the pvr-500 died

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Aval0n:

guys, i have cox cable. I scanned for QAM256 chans and I got all my locals. 10.1 etc... but I cannot get the program info to show up in program guide for them. I added cox digital to my SD lineup.

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Aval0n:

any suggestions?

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clever[rev]:

my system has trouble watching&recording(in mpeg4)

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riddlebox:

I love the pvr-500 just wish it came with the remote like the 150's

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clever[rev]:

ive got livetv set to rtjpeg and it seems stable

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WeezeyD:

methinks I gotta upgrade my hard drives in my encoder box.

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Aval0n:

pvr 500 has 2 versions

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Aval0n:

one with remote one without

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matspekkie:

weezy what filetype do you use?

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Aval0n:

and I have a pvr500. the only downfall is the aweful internal splitter

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riddlebox:

Aval0n, when I bought mine like 2–3 years ago it didnt, well at least I never saw it

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WeezeyD:

matspekkie: mpg, do I have a choice with pvr-150s?

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matspekkie:

no i mean filesystem for your harddrive

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WeezeyD:

xfs

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Aval0n:

they have a MCE version and a whitebox version

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Aval0n:

one has a mceusb2 and a rc6 remote

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Aval0n:

the other has nothing

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matspekkie:

ah should be ok

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WeezeyD:

yup, but I think my drive's lazy

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WeezeyD:

what's that cmd? hdparams

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matspekkie:

yep

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WeezeyD:

what's the one to check drive speed?

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matspekkie:

does your mythbackend log say anything usefull?

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WeezeyD:

nopw

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WeezeyD:

just sat there, then I restarted it and it started re-recording.

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Aval0n:

so anyone know how I can get my local QAM256 shows to get program guide info via SD?

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matspekkie:

hihi

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matspekkie:

restart your apache as well then

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WeezeyD:

it's running on the master

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matspekkie:

to see if mythweb is working too

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WeezeyD:

same with the sql

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burley-sf_:

I have a pair of Kworld ATSC 110 DVB cards that I had been using for some time without issue. Today I replaced the HDD in my mythbox (it only stored recordings, so general OS load didn't get modified at all), and now the cards aren't working. The driver loads without apparent issue. When I look at the cards in mythtv-setup in the capture card setup section, the Frontend ID: value is set to ERROR_OPEN. The only other item I n

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venger:

anyway to mass delete in the frontend? it seems it recorded all day since i didn't bounce the backend after my frontend locked up

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mchou:

that should be easy. Sort files by date and delete the ones from today

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mchou:

you will need to do the same to the database

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venger:

the / key tagged everything

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mchou:

I'm not famililar with that

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venger:

couldn't figure out how to do anything with the so i just spammed enter and arrows to delete everything

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mchou:

as long as it works

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venger:

i've narrowed down my lockup to seeming audio buffer underuns althoought i wouldn't expect that to be able to freeze the entire machine

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venger:

c/seeming/seemingly

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quantum:

I have tried everyone. I have not been able to turn off screen blanking on my FC7 system. Does anyone know how to do this

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venger:

you mean like power management?

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quantum:

I guess, it just makes everything black until Imove the mouse or keyboard

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venger:

yea

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quantum:

I put some stuff to disable it in the .kde/Startup but it doesn't seem like it does the trick

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quantum:

also tried putting some stuff in the xorg.conf file, but still no go

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venger:

i would think you need to do kernel options on boot or roll your own without the support

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quantum:

it doesn't makes sense that there is no way to disable it

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venger:

i dont disable it but for an example would be in lilo append="apic=off" some crap like that

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quantum:

I am running grub, not sure if you can do that hmmm

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quantum:

they have commands like /usr/bin/xset -dpms, and this used to work on perivous versions but not any more

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venger:

i guess, but my default reaction is to address it on the kernel level and i'd also check my bios settings

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quantum:

yeah same bios that used to be fine with older verion of FC

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quantum:

if I log in from a terminal and execute that command it seems like it might be working

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quantum:

maybe the window manager somehow resets it

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quantum:

after I change it with the starup script in kde

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quantum:

possibly could turn it off in the bios if the bios supports that

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quantum:

but since it is blanking the screens I don't know if that is the same thing

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venger:

there's a xset s parameter too

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venger:

xset s off | xset s noblank i suppose

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quantum:

yeah I have the script to launch the mythfrontend in the .kde/Startup directory which sets those, but I just logged in and found that the dmps was turned back on. So to test it I tried turnning it off from the terminal and that seems to work fine. Seems like something else changes after the script executs

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quantum:

I launched the frontend before changing the dpms setting, now I'll try to do it the other way around. Maybe mythfrontend causes the script to abort someohow after launching, weird

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venger:

/etc/init.d/apmd stop... an think acpi (not apic!) supports blanking. it appears that menu.lst is the file for grub, add acpi=off

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quantum:

ok. cool I'll give that a try to. Not sure though, would I just put title Fedora (2.6.21–1.3194.fc7)

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quantum:

root (hd0,0)

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quantum:

kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.21–1.3194.fc7 ro root=/dev/charity_lvm/root_dir rhgb quiet

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quantum:

initrd /initrd-2.6.21–1.3194.fc7.img

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quantum:

acpi=off

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quantum:

wonder if I can just delete the service

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quantum:

looks like apmd has disapeared on fc7

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venger:

i dont use grub, i would expect that you need to be sure or you could hinder you boot process just like lilo although lilo will syntax check so i'd expect grub would have a equivalient facility

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quantum:

o.k. well a couple more things to try. thanks

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diamon:

If I manually edit a cutlist, is there any way to sync that back to my skip-list?

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venger:

also quantum you could just specify it at the prompt during boot

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Aval0n:

if you pay for cox digital cable, will mythtv pick it up if you bypass the STB?

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fryfrog:

Aval0n: no, digital cable channels are usually encrypted

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fryfrog:

if you have a QAM capable card, you can get the unencrypted ones... but those are usually not very numerous

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Aval0n:

i have some locals

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Aval0n:

but they don't get the right chan names

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Aval0n:

nor does SD give program data for them =(

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venger:

my first mythfrontend locks up 10–30mins of playing live tv, testing right now without a sound card

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venger:

anyone else using a Chaintech AV-710 ?

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venger:

successfully

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Aval0n:

fryfrog odly enough im getting a ton of chans when I scanned with QAM

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Aval0n:

ion and etc..

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Aval0n:

weird

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Aval0n:

it coudlnt' be using the cards analog tuner could it?

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Aval0n:

I told it to scan for QAM only.

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kdubya:

what card

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Aval0n:

kworld 115

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

i dont know how it could be using the analog

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kdubya:

if you pick to scan qam

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

odd

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Aval0n:

it's like giving me cox digital cable

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Aval0n:

0_o

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kdubya:

so you are getting all teh channels?

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Aval0n:

like 40 so far

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Aval0n:

that i've checked

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kdubya:

and you can actually tune them and watch them?

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Aval0n:

yes

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kdubya:

you are like

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kdubya:

the luckiest man alive

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Aval0n:

pfft

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Aval0n:

somethings weird

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kdubya:

where you live again?

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Aval0n:

arizona

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Aval0n:

looks better than the analog on my pvr500 that's for sure

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kdubya:

i got the same card

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kdubya:

when i scan

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ShockValue:

damn damn.. i only have 1 tuner and both reaper and the office are conflicting

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kdubya:

it picked up over 100 stations

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kdubya:

but only the locals i can watch

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kdubya:

what kind of channel numbers is it giving you?

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kdubya:

is it like 84#3

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kdubya:

or like regular numbers

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Aval0n:

yes

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Aval0n:

the 80#3 crarp

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Aval0n:

crap

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Aval0n:

ion is not local is it?

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Aval0n:

don't think so

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kdubya:

i dont even know what it is

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Aval0n:

hehe

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Aval0n:

animal planet

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Aval0n:

I know that's not local

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Aval0n:

I scanned with cable-HRC

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Aval0n:

dunno if that makes a difference

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kdubya:

i bet you get like ESPN HD and crap too

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Aval0n:

I dunno

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Aval0n:

why would i

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Aval0n:

you'de think all this crap would be encrypted

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kdubya:

exactly

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Aval0n:

hmm

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kdubya:

is any of it encrypted?

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Aval0n:

i dunno

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Aval0n:

I get a lot of timeouts

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Aval0n:

when scanning

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kdubya:

right

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kdubya:

that means there is no signal on that channel at all

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kdubya:

i get lots of timeouts, then like 1000 channels hit on the scan

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kdubya:

but i can only actually watch like 6 of thos

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kdubya:

the others wont lock when you try and watch them

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Aval0n:

mines locking on everything that it added so far

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kdubya:

what city are you in

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Yahooadam:

how do u mount a NFS share without it locking up your computer for 5 mins while it does it ?

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venger:

anyone know if anything more should be done after updating /etc/security/limits.conf for the realtime security model

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Aval0n:

phoenix

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Yahooadam:

why wont my remote control mythtv >_<

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Yahooadam:

i have lirc working fine, and it picks up keypresses fine

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Yahooadam:

i have .lircrc in /home/user/.mythtv/.lircrc

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Yahooadam:

and .lircrc has the mappings

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venger:

well .mythtv/ would compiled in lirc support, do you have that?

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venger:

c/would/would require

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Yahooadam:

it should do ... i installed from ubuntu reps

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Yahooadam:

bah

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Yahooadam:

its not .lircrc is lircrc

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venger:

i wonder how you'd tell if a package myth was compiled with builtin lirc support

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venger:

c/package/packaged

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Yahooadam:

i launched mythfrontend with command line

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Yahooadam:

mythtv: could not open config file /home/adam/.mythtv/lircrc

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Yahooadam:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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Yahooadam:

bit of a givaway :)

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venger:

i'd entertain switching over to native support if i could see that my prebuild debs from debian multimedia were compiled with built in support

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Aval0n:

if you have analog channel 10 and QAM digital HD channel 10, how can you differentiate which one mythtv will record

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Aval0n:

since it's the same show both chans?

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Yahooadam:

it wont record it twice

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Yahooadam:

umm

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Aval0n:

i understand, I just want it to record the HD one.

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Yahooadam:

give the HD tuner a +1 priority ?

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Yahooadam:

or tell it to only record on channel 10 on the HD tuner

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Yahooadam:

instead of any channel any time

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Aval0n:

ok. can I have the analog tuner rercord the non HD and the dvb card record the digital?

[03:07:09]

venger:

i wonder if this command would determine it: ldd /usr/bin/mythfrontend |grep -i lirc

[03:08:16]

Aval0n:

how about if the analog channel is channel 10 and the HD one is 10.1 if I had "heroes" set to record at anytime on any channel, would it record both of those at the same time?

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kdubya:

Aval0n, have you been able to get the analog work on the 115?

[03:08:33]

kdubya:

i just get about 2 seconds of video with it

[03:08:35]

Aval0n:

havn't even attempted kdubya

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kdubya:

then it goes black

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Aval0n:

I'm using my kworld strictly for digital

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Aval0n:

letting the pvr500 handle the analog

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kdubya:

ok so you mean with the other card

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Aval0n:

yeah

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kdubya:

it should record only one of them

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Aval0n:

:)

[03:09:28]

Aval0n:

hmm

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kdubya:

actually

[03:09:52]

kdubya:

with that i do not know

[03:10:10]

kdubya:

i always pick record on this channel at any time

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Yahooadam:

Aval0n

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Yahooadam:

dont u have 2 channel 10's in mythtv

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Yahooadam:

1 for each TV tuner ?

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Aval0n:

erm

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Aval0n:

in program guide I just see 10 listed once

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Aval0n:

I have 3 tuners, 2 analog on the pvr500 then the dvb kworld

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Yahooadam:

not sure how u tell it to use HD then

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Aval0n:

the HD ones show up as 10.1

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Aval0n:

etc..

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Yahooadam:

u can just put a +1 priority on the HD tuner then the others

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kdubya:

do you want it to record them both?

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Aval0n:

kdub yeah, preferably that way the wife could watch the shows on the remote front end too

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Aval0n:

since the other FE can't do HD

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kdubya:

pff

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kdubya:

forget her

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Aval0n:

lol

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just_joe:

argh i dont think i understand how to setup a frontend only box

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kdubya:

you change the ip of the backend

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kdubya:

then have a beer

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just_joe:

that part worked

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just_joe:

the frontend sees the listings even but when i try to play something previously recorded it says "the file for this recording cannot be found"

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just_joe:

i thought the backend streamed it to the frontend?

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Yahooadam:

prolly a protocol mismatch ?

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kdubya:

so did i

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Yahooadam:

what version is the frontend, and what version is the backend

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just_joe:

they are both runing mythdora 4.0

[03:18:34]

Yahooadam:

have you yum updated one or somthing :s

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kdubya:

if you live in the US you most likely have

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just_joe:

not sure. ok how can i tell the exect versions?

[03:19:01]

kdubya:

because mythdora 4 doesnt have the schedules direct update

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Yahooadam:

mythfrontend --version

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Yahooadam:

mythbackend --version

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just_joe:

you want the library api version?

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Yahooadam:

i believe so

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** Yahooadam 's command line is busy **

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nwidger:

does anyone know of a command-line program that'll let me tune into a specific frequency and watch it?

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just_joe:

ok front and back for front end is 0.20.20060828–4

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kdubya:

mplayer

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nwidger:

kdubya: can you tell me the syntax?

[03:21:19]

kdubya:

no because i dont know it

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kdubya:

heh

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cogswell:

I have a knoppmyth box, and to get SD working I grabbed mythtv source from SVN and have building and installing, only Watch TV and Watch Recordings works. anyone have any ideas?

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Yahooadam:

just_joe – well in that case i suggest checking mythtv-setup

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Yahooadam:

maybe u changed 1 of the IP's but not the other

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nwidger:

kdubya: ah okay, well thanks :)

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just_joe:

ugh the backend box : frontend/backend 0.20.20070821–1

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kdubya:

just type man mplayer then /tuner

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kdubya:

or soemthing like that

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just_joe:

so update the frontend boxes version... ugh sorry for not catching that...

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just_joe:

brb

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BigJ:

hello, I am having problems setting up mySQL

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nwidger:

kdubya: but how can i change the frequency that the tuner is using currently?

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kdubya:

i have no clue man

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kdubya:

i dont even know if mplayer is your best choice

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nwidger:

haha, okay

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kdubya:

i really should stop trying to help people

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cogswell:

heh

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Yahooadam:

nwidger, i think u changed the channel the tuner is watching with another program

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Yahooadam:

and then watch the stream with any program of ure choice

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kdubya:

he left

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Yahooadam:

i cant remember what the program is called that changes channels though

[03:25:17]

Yahooadam:

>_,

[03:26:01]

Yahooadam:

weird

[03:26:09]

Yahooadam:

changed the apparence in mythfrontend

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Yahooadam:

and it killed gdm :S

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cogswell:

I have a knoppmyth box, and to get SD working I grabbed mythtv source from SVN and after building and installing, only Watch TV and Watch Recordings works. anyone have any ideas?

[03:28:21]

Yahooadam:

so what isnt working ?

[03:28:25]

Yahooadam:

setup ?

[03:28:37]

kdubya:

isnt there a repository you can update from with knoppmyth

[03:28:47]

kdubya:

building it is like, work

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cogswell:

setup works. things like Watch Videos, Listen to Music...

[03:28:58]

Yahooadam:

did u install mythplugins ?

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kdubya:

heh

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cogswell:

i did, but the instructions did not explicitly say to run a make there. is a separate make command in the plugin dir necessary?

[03:29:53]

Yahooadam:

yes

[03:30:02]

Yahooadam:

well i tihnk so ...

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Yahooadam:

2 secs

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Yahooadam:

i was thinking mythfrontend --version might show installed plugs

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Yahooadam:

but for some reason that command fails in ubuntu

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sandeen_:

has anyone used a kworld atsc-115? looks like the pci-id for mine is not in the driver, but I thought I saw people say it worked...

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cogswell:

is it alright to do that from a terminal window while the frontend is running?

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Yahooadam:

should be

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kdubya:

sandeen_, i use it

[03:33:46]

kdubya:

you rebate didnt come did it?

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sandeen_:

kdubya, what pci ids do you get? (lspci -vn) ?

[03:33:53]

kdubya:

kworld is some cheap bastards

[03:33:56]

sandeen_:

ya

[03:33:59]

sandeen_:

they work though :)

[03:34:01]

kdubya:

heh

[03:34:09]

sandeen_:

kdubya, I get:

[03:34:09]

sandeen_:

03:0a.0 0480: 1131:7133 (rev d1)

[03:34:09]

sandeen_:

Subsystem: 17de:7352

[03:34:23]

sandeen_:

(I had to beg for my rebate on the atsc-110 I got, but did finally get it) :)

[03:34:45]

kdubya:

i just followed the setup on the wiki for the 110

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sandeen_:

can you log into your box, do :lspci -vn | grep -A1 1131:7133"

[03:35:11]

sandeen_:

er

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kdubya:

sure

[03:35:18]

sandeen_:

"lspci -vn | grep -A1 1131:7133"

[03:35:21]

kdubya:

for you man, anything

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sandeen_:

heh

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kdubya:

i have no idea what that command is but i can type

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sandeen_:

it gives me control over your mythbox ;-)

[03:36:10]

kdubya:

cool

[03:36:11]

Yahooadam:

wtf is going on :s

[03:36:14]

kdubya:

dont delete my recordings

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sandeen_:

it lists pci devices by their numeric ids. grep -A1 gives the line that matches "1131:7133" (the phillips id string) and the one after it (the kworld subsystem id string)

[03:36:52]

venger:

i've ripped a few of my dvds to the hd, will mythdvd play them or do they need to be encoded?

[03:37:06]

sandeen_:

venger, they should play if you have the right bits installed

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Yahooadam:

/usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 is using 100% cpu

[03:37:50]

kdubya:

17de:7352

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sandeen_:

kdubya, ok, me too. funky, I don't see that PCI ID in the driver.....

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** sandeen_ is confused now **

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kdubya:

you have to set up an alias

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kdubya:

to make it think the 115 is a 110

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sandeen_:

ah. which wiki page did you follow?

[03:38:50]

kdubya:

alias char-major-81 videodev

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kdubya:

alias char-major-81–0 saa7134

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kdubya:

options saa7134 card=90 disable_ir=1

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kdubya:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110

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sandeen_:

thanks!

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kdubya:

no problem

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sandeen_:

btw, if it ever stops working, try the other input ;-) I learned that the hard way, the driver changed & swapped the physical inputs :)

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Yahooadam:

BAH

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Yahooadam:

bloody computers >_<

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cogswell:

yahoo: looks like I do have to build the plugins separately

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venger:

i cannot figure out why i'm hardlocking after 30–45 minutes of livetv, the frontend doesn't do the recording

[03:40:17]

kdubya:

hehe

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kdubya:

sandeen_, me too

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kdubya:

so i split the coax and just plugged them both in

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sandeen_:

hah

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sandeen_:

guess that works too, except for the signal loss...

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Yahooadam:

my tv signal has more splits then a .... *insert pun here*

[03:42:06]

kdubya:

i already had one too many outputs on my splitter

[03:42:12]

kdubya:

so i think it actually improved it to plug it in

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

how many Yahooadam?

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Yahooadam:

it had 3 i think

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Yahooadam:

ok not that many, but still :p

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kdubya:

heh

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Yahooadam:

and i had another in my room

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kdubya:

i have 4 but one of them is going to a tivo that has no service

[03:43:28]

Yahooadam:

and i got rid of 1 of the 3 with an composite feed

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kdubya:

my rack would look empty without it so i leave it there

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Yahooadam:

oh if you mean from the main amp ...

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Yahooadam:

theres like 8 outputs

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kdubya:

nah

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kdubya:

i just mean from the wall

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Yahooadam:

ah ;)

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Yahooadam:

how do u have 4 in the wall :s

[03:44:23]

Yahooadam:

1 cable from amp -> 1 socket in wall

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

i just mean the splitter

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kdubya:

i dotn know

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kdubya:

incredibly unimportant

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Yahooadam:

lol :p

[03:45:04]

Yahooadam:

it is important if u like ure picture :p

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just_joe:

ok my versions match but i get the same error

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sandeen_:

saa7133[0]: subsystem: 17de:7352, board: Kworld ATSC115 [card=118,autodetected]

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sandeen_:

tada

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kdubya:

nice

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kdubya:

have you tried the analog?

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kdubya:

i can only get a couple seconds of video at a time from it

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just_joe:

if the backend is streaming to the frontend why does the front end say "the file for this recording cant be found"

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just_joe:

i watch stuff on the backend just fine, is the frontend only boxes database messed up?

[03:47:08]

Yahooadam:

mm wth, htop says 1 proccess is running – htop, at <1% cpu usage, but then reports 14% overall CPU usage

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kdubya:

maybe you are actually connecting to the local backend

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kdubya:

and you just dotn know it

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kdubya:

wait that wouldnt make much sense if it can see the list of recordings

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just_joe:

well it has all the recordings from the rel backend

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just_joe:

is there a command line way to start viewing a stream from the backend?

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Yahooadam:

nope

[03:51:41]

Yahooadam:

although if u installed the frontend on it

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Yahooadam:

you can SSH with X

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Yahooadam:

ssh -X -Y user@ip.add.goes.here mythfrontend

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just_joe:

well i just wanted some debugging so i started the frontend froma command line and woops a different theme got loaded in the update and it cant talk to my backend at all now

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** Yahooadam hates kernel updates **

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bsdfox_:

I can never get that to work Yahooadam

[04:05:13]

Yahooadam:

really ?

[04:05:15]

Yahooadam:

works fine for me

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Yahooadam:

atleast for mythtv-setup

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Yahooadam:

i did have to install Xauth though

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Yahooadam:

i tihnk

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theangryamoeba:

I have a stupid question that I havn't been able to find any information about... Can I map commands for mythtv to buttons in Lirc? or do i need to map the keybindings?

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Bolly:

hi all, i have a hvr-1110 and have just installed mythdora and am currently able to detect only 5 normal non-digital channels (UK) any advice?

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Yahooadam:

at 5:30am

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Yahooadam:

are you mad :p

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Bolly:

i'm on nights tommorow!

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Bolly:

so have to stay up to get my body clock right

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Yahooadam:

anyway

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Bolly:

only thing i could find relevent was a transport option

[04:25:39]

Yahooadam:

there are only 5 non digital channels

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Bolly:

yeah :-) so i figured it wasn't detecting the digital ones

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Yahooadam:

you need to scan for the digital ones seperatly i think

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Bolly:

*strokey beard*

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Bolly:

i do the scans in setup but it only finds 5

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Bolly:

unless i am missing a setting somewhere to tell it it's a dvb-t card

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Yahooadam:

how many tv cards did u add ?

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Yahooadam:

in mythsetup

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Yahooadam:

i suspect that tuner is made of 2 seperate ones

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Bolly:

just 1

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Yahooadam:

so u need to go in and add the second

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Bolly:

it's only 1 card though right?

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Yahooadam:

yeah but with 2 tuners

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Bolly:

ahh :-)

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Yahooadam:

if its like the nova-t 500, thats what u need to do :)

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Bolly:

how does it know the difference

[04:28:13]

Yahooadam:

there is an ID field

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Yahooadam:

add the same card, but increase the ID 1

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Bolly:

instead of analog v4l should i pick a different card type?

[04:28:32]

Yahooadam:

hmm

[04:28:33]

Yahooadam:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

probably the DVB-T option

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Bolly:

is there a reference of which card is which anywhere?

[04:28:48]

Bolly:

DVB DTV capture (v3.x)?

[04:29:01]

Yahooadam:

bah, my ubuntu box is down atm

[04:29:05]

Yahooadam:

what are the options :p

[04:29:22]

Yahooadam:

well if u scroll thru, one should be filled in

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Bolly:

it says frontend id philips tda10046h dvb subtype: dvb-t

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Bolly:

where as the analog one says my hvr-1110

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Yahooadam:

yeah that sounds good

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Yahooadam:

will it let u add that ?

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Bolly:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

ok

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Bolly:

will try a scan

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Yahooadam:

then u need another video source

[04:30:48]

Yahooadam:

for the DVB-T

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Yahooadam:

and one for the Analogue, if you havent done it yet

[04:31:20]

Yahooadam:

scanning channels might be an idea :p

[04:31:46]

Yahooadam:

see if it works

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patelm4:

hello, i was wondering if you guys could help me out with this problem I am having with mythsetup.I have scanned most of the forums and mailinglist archives, but could not find any thing.

[04:32:01]

patelm4:

I am using pcHDTV-5500 card on Ubuntu OS running on ATI video card.

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Yahooadam:

ouch

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patelm4:

i can see 720p channel fine..

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Yahooadam:

but ?

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patelm4:

with 1080i, i see one of three color streams out of sync

[04:33:19]

patelm4:

meaning red part of the channel is out of sync with green and blue part by about 20 pixels

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Yahooadam:

have u messed with the modelines ?

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patelm4:

nah

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Yahooadam:

and is the cable plugged in properly

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patelm4:

yeah, the cable is in tight

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Yahooadam:

u may have to setup your modelines

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patelm4:

i c

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Yahooadam:

(i dont know anything bout that b4 u ask :p)

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patelm4:

oh ok

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patelm4:

i think i read it somewhere about how to set it up

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Yahooadam:

:)

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patelm4:

has anyone seen this before

[04:35:32]

patelm4:

because it is somewhat hard to put in words and search engines does not give you good results

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Bolly:

hmm ok it's scanning but for some reason the signal/noise is 50% + and the strength = 0

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Yahooadam:

bolly

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Yahooadam:

did u put an ariel in both sockets

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Bolly:

there's only 1 socket

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Yahooadam:

oh :s

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Yahooadam:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_hvr1100.html

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Yahooadam:

the 1100 seems to have 2 ....

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Bolly:

that's the one

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Bolly:

1110

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Yahooadam:

i cant find the 1110 on their site

[04:53:01]

Yahooadam:

but i would assume it too has 2 ariel sockets

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Bolly:

i don't think that is the real one

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Bolly:

the picutre on the box that is

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Bolly:

the card itself is triangular

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Yahooadam:

"Dowloaded an tried the latest beta drivers and software. scanned again, same results. Several calls later with technical support it is clear that this card [HVR-1110] has a major problem with Digital using the current available [and beta] drivers."

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Bolly:

sounds about right

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Bolly:

it works ok in windows mce

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Bolly:

for all it's sins

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Bolly:

perhaps it's a linux kernel module problem?

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Yahooadam:

The firmware file is dvb-fe-tda10046.fw

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Yahooadam:

http://en.opensuse.org/Hauppauge_HVR-1110_TV-DVB_card

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Yahooadam:

good if u use opensuse :p

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Bolly:

hehe

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Bolly:

i don't mind switching distros if needs be

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Yahooadam:

Card type: DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)

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Yahooadam:

http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1110

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Bolly:

that's the one it detects the dvb component on

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Bolly:

yeah it's in my dmesg so it's definately loading

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Yahooadam:

are the devices right too ?

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Yahooadam:

anywho, its supposed to be a different board to the 1100, but no-one has said it only has 1 ariel input

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Yahooadam:

are u sure it only has 1 ?

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Bolly:

'Up and Down do indeed change the channels and I see the program information on what should be playing. So I guess the last hurdle is to get a signal and lock onto a channel...'

[05:00:20]

Bolly:

it definately has just 1 yeah

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Yahooadam:

why did u buy a 1110 anyway ?

[05:01:00]

Bolly:

well

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Bolly:

i have a dvb-s one

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Bolly:

nova-s or something

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Bolly:

and i cancelled my sky subscription and could only get normal freeview ones and they didn't give free e4 (a channel) on satalite but they do on freeview digital

[05:01:46]

Bolly:

so i went to the nearest shop and picked up a standard tv card

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Bolly:

i dunno if the nova-s can do dvb-t too

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Bolly:

any ideas?

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Yahooadam:

umm

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Yahooadam:

well the nova-t is a dual dvb-t tuner

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Yahooadam:

works great in mythtv

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Yahooadam:

Â£50

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Bolly:

harsh

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Bolly:

i will plug in ths nova-s and give it a run for its money

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Bolly:

and if not i'll go out and grab a nova-t

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Yahooadam:

the nova-t 500 i mean

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Bolly:

is that so you can record and watch?

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Yahooadam:

i dunno what u can do with the nova-s

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Yahooadam:

i can watch and record, dual watch, dual record :p

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Yahooadam:

whatever

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Yahooadam:

their really good value

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Yahooadam:

make sure u dont get the diversify model if you buy one

[05:04:47]

Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . a-S_Plus_PCI

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Bolly:

i wonder if i am supposed to set some sort of frequency

[05:05:33]

Bolly:

what's DiSEqC?

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Yahooadam:

whats this for, dvb-s ?

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Bolly:

no the hvr-1110

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Bolly:

just looking at the capture card settings

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Yahooadam:

dunno

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Yahooadam:

2 secs, ill take a quick look

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Aval0n:

anyone around the phoenix area in here?

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Yahooadam:

anyway bolly, i havent managed to understand the point in the hybrid tuners

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Yahooadam:

if you can get DVB-T, then u dont need analogue

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Yahooadam:

and if u cant get DVB-T, you dont need it

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Bolly:

yeah true

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Bolly:

i have no clue why they do that

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Yahooadam:

where was the diseqc option ?

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Yahooadam:

time for me to sleep

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Yahooadam:

probably 6 hours ago, but still

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ShockValue:

some of my ripped dvd imgaes show the wrong time in mythtv (internal player). like 1 shows its 36 minutes (2 hour show) and wont let me skip/ffwd. the other shows its 29 hours long, and if i try to skip it just exits

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ShockValue:

anyone know what causes that?

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Bolly:

Yahooadam: under the dvb options in capture card settings

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Bolly:

for that type of card anyway

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Bolly:

sleep well buddy if you goto bed

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Yahooadam:

i couldnt see it on mine :s

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Bolly:

appreciate the help it's been enlightening

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Bolly:

it's only under the dvb dtv capture (v.3.x)

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Yahooadam:

yeah thats what the nova-t 500 shows up as

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Bolly:

oh interesting

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Yahooadam:

but it doesnt have a diseq option

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Bolly:

it's one of the two buttons underneith

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Yahooadam:

ill have 1 more look for u :p

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Bolly:

it looks like a list of signal sources

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Bolly:

one if lnb

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Bolly:

one is*

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Yahooadam:

Card Type – DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)

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Yahooadam:

oh i see it nw :p

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Bolly:

:D

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Yahooadam:

its for satalite stuff i believe

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Yahooadam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DiSEqC

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Bolly:

with dvb-t cards?

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Bolly:

weird

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Yahooadam:

DVB can be DVB-S

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt say DVB-T as the card type, it says DVB

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Bolly:

oh so dvb dtv is the same one i should be using for the nova-s?

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Yahooadam:

yes i think so

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Bolly:

great

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Bolly:

well i've just booted up i'm going to take a look

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Yahooadam:

see the ID bit, if you change that from 0 to 1

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Yahooadam:

its your second tuner

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Bolly:

it doesn't detect anything on 1

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Bolly:

just 0

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Bolly:

(with the hvr1110)

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Bolly:

yep it's now found the sat card

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Yahooadam:

all sorted ?

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Bolly:

testing now

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Bolly:

need some frequencies and stuff

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Yahooadam:

well i really need to sleep now

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Yahooadam:

so gnite, and good luck :)

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Bolly:

error parsing parameters

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neoalex:

hi guys, does anyone know a network streaming box like the slingbox, Pinnacle PCTV To Go HD Wireless, Hava

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neoalex:

is there anything else of the sort out there

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neoalex:

basically what I need is to connect my cable box to it and watch TV all over the network (oh and it has to be HD)

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kormoc:

hdhomerun?

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ShockValue:

you mean something like mythtv? :)

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neoalex:

well is there a card that works on mythtv and has component video inputs

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neoalex:

kormoc: hdhomerun only gets unencrypted digital cable

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neoalex:

I want to connect my cable box to the thing

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kormoc:

firewire is about the only option

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neoalex:

so something like those 3, just wondering if there's anything else

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ShockValue:

hrm, not HD i dont think

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ShockValue:

except via firewire, but that only gets unencrypted as well

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kormoc:

ShockValue, not entirely true

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neoalex:

see... that's why HAVA is looking like the best option right now, it does everything I want, it's cheep just wandering if anyone has ever used it

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kormoc:

it all depends on the cable co in the area

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xris:

ShockValue: not true... my firewire box decrypts my stuff for me

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neoalex:

wait what... how?

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ShockValue:

and sends it via firewire? how do i do that?

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ShockValue:

because my local substation has started to encrypt everyhing :(

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xris:

ShockValue: move to seattle?

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neoalex:

mine too... that's why I have to get the stuff from the cable box

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neoalex:

has anyone used this with mythtv: http://www.myhava.com/product_hava_platinum_hd.html

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neoalex:

or any other way actually

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ShockValue:

xris – so is it a function of your box, or your cable co not encrypting?

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neoalex:

that's exactly what I need just curious if it's any good

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kormoc:

neoalex, you hook up a firewire cable from the mythbox to the tv tuner, and the tv tuner acts like a capture card, sending the data over the firewire connector to the mythbox

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xris:

neoalex: they're required to give you the OTA HD stuff over firewire.

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kormoc:

ShockValue, no, it's encrypted, it's just that they decrypt and send it over the firewire cable

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xris:

ShockValue: the signal is encrypted. the cableco has not set the boxes up to prevent encypted stuff going out the firewire

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xris:

can't get at it with QAM, but firewire works fine

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ShockValue:

so your box is 'special'.. i assume its a dct62xx?

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kormoc:

ShockValue, nothing special about it... it's all about what the cable co setups or not

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neoalex:

a firewire cable from the cable box you mean?

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kormoc:

neoalex, aye

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neoalex:

ha... so I don't have to buy anything... awesome

[05:46:25]

neoalex:

just a firewire cable :D

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kormoc:

neoalex, read up the wiki entry on firewire for more info

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ShockValue:

unfortunatly my box doesnt decrypt ovver ther firewire.. i just get a black screen and a 0 size recording on 90% of the HD channels they send (including local OTA ones)

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kormoc:

it doesn't always work, but it's always worth tring

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kormoc:

ShockValue, legally they have to send the OTA stuff

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neoalex:

kormoc: I know it's off topic but is there anything on windows I can use to test this on my laptop before I guy a mythtv box

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kdubya:

so basically its absolutly pointless

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ShockValue:

yeah well, you come talk to them.. im tired of fighting with them...

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kormoc:

neoalex, donno, I don't run windows

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kdubya:

use qam

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neoalex:

kormoc: they do send the OTA stuff, but I want everything

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kormoc:

kdubya, QAM doesn't work when it's encrypted

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kormoc:

neoalex, they're only required to send the OTA stuff, it's up to them if they send more or not

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kdubya:

if youre cable company is not retarded, then the channels you get over firewire are the same channels that are not encrypted in qam

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neoalex:

I know what channels they send unencrypted, and there are a lot less then what the cable box gets

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ShockValue:

ive called PBS, Ive called comcast, Ive talked to the local cable co.. all they do is point fingers and run me in circles.. so I gave up and am looking at alternatives.

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kormoc:

kdubya, so giving extra channels over firewire is retarded?

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neoalex:

but you're sating that through the firewire it will work even for the encrypted stuff

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kormoc:

neoalex, sometimes, yes

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kdubya:

no

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kdubya:

its called a mistake

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kdubya:

they do not let you do that intentionally

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kormoc:

kdubya, not true, Seattle's Comcast does that intentionally

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kormoc:

kdubya, I've talked to them about it, they're very happy to provide the extra channels

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kdubya:

awful kind of them if thats trye

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kdubya:

true

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ShockValue:

i just wish there was some other way to get HD into myth so i could quit dealing with my local comcast morons

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neoalex:

ok let me first check if my cable box has firewire

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ShockValue:

i almost feel bad for the front desk lady.. she's actually pretty nice.. but she knows its going to be a pain in the ass when i walk in the door :)

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kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

you cant even do it illegally

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neoalex:

ok I'm trying this first thing in the morning when I can get a firewire cable

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neoalex:

I obviously see the channel the cable box is tuned too right?

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neoalex:

so I have to get another one if I want to watch something else

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neoalex:

right?

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

I'm using mythweb right now

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floppyears:

is there some configuration involved in using the builtin flash player ?

[05:58:43]

floppyears:

I click on play but nothing happens

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Bolly:

well scandvb is working ok for me that is the weird thing

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ShockValue:

anyone know how to fix the time header of a VOB file? my video is showing 36 minutes, even though if i play it, its 94

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kormoc:

neoalex, right

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kormoc:

floppyears, you need to have a bit of a specific setup, it's not really polished

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kormoc:

floppyears, you need ffmpeg in a standard location, with flv and mp3 support compiled in, php not in safemode

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floppyears:

thanks kormoc

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floppyears:

kormoc: I'm not finding that many docs about it, could you point me at the right location ?

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kormoc:

right location for?

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floppyears:

documentation on how to set it up

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kormoc:

there is none

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kormoc:

it's not ment to be used by 'the masses' so to speak

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floppyears:

also I've tried to play the streams, but vlc won't let me put in passwd

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floppyears:

oh, ok

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kormoc:

it's more a proof of concept then a finished product right now

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floppyears:

oh, ok

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floppyears:

I thought it was usable since I saw it in mythweb

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kormoc:

it's in mythweb in trunk

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kormoc:

trunk is the place to put stuff that's being worked on, stable is where finished (or more usable stuff) is

[06:12:28]

kormoc:

it does work and is usable, but there is no docs on what to do to get it running

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kormoc:

read your apache logs and see if they give clues, etc

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Aval0n:

has the greyscale OSD been sorted out with xvmc on geforce 7 series cards

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Aval0n:

?

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kormoc:

no

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kdubya:

what processor do you have that needs it?

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linagee__:

what is the default location to record to?

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linagee__:

/var/mythtv?

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kormoc:

whatever you set it to

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linagee__:

what the heck?

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linagee__:

what's this mean?

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linagee__:

2007-09–27 07:00:03.474 TVRec(1): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

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linagee__:

2007-09–27 07:00:03.508 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

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linagee__:

2007-09–27 07:00:03.602 Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

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linagee__:

2007-09–27 07:00:03.603 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 34. Reverting to kState_None

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diamon:

linagee: Ack, I had that once, what was it....

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diamon:

Is there a channel log? I swear I came back and said what it was...

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linagee__:

diamon: i'm using the same ivtv as when using mythtv 0.18. does that matter?

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Aval0n:

kdub

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Aval0n:

I have a 3.4ghz p4

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Aval0n:

guess I don't "need" it

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diamon:

I can't recall, but mine was something about ivtv as well...

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diamon:

Arrgh, it's just out of memory-reach, I can't quite recall...

[06:38:28]

t0ny-p40:

Is it me or does hdtv suck?

[06:39:02]

t0ny-p40:

I like the idea behind it but they compress the hell out of it.

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diamon:

t0ny: I moticed a difference, but don't know if I find it worth the extra bandwidth.

[06:39:26]

diamon:

And yeah, they compress the crap out of some of them, especially news.

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kormoc:

diamon, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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diamon:

Aha!

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t0ny-p40:

Do you think over the air will be better then cable for local channels?

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kormoc:

linagee__, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Why_ . . . e_channel.3F

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diamon:

50/50 is my guess. Some will be better, some will be worse.

[06:41:25]

diamon:

Wow, there's no search feature for the logs there? I don't recall when I said it, just that I think I did...

[06:41:26]

linagee__:

kormoc: sorry. i'll refund your 4th line. :)

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linagee__:

kormoc: is free beer ok? :)

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diamon:

Mmm, beer...

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kormoc:

heh, no worries, just for future reference :P

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t0ny-p40:

Youtube is almost better then hdtv.

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t0ny-p40:

At least cableone

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linagee__:

diamon: i think i actually upgraded by ivtv. :( that was probably a mistake

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linagee__:

s/by/my/

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diamon:

Arrgh, I'm trying too hard to think of it....

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diamon:

Arrgh; what was it?

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diamon:

Aha! I think I have something... You upgraded you said?

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diamon:

Edge-triggered memory, I think I hit an edge...

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diamon:

MythTV I mean.

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diamon:

linagee: Quick, before it fades... Did you upgrade Myth, or reload the DB from an older version or something along those lines?

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diamon:

gah, quick smoke while I try to recall more... Almost remember...

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diamon:

linagee: I *think* I recall, but without a better mental 'grip' on it I can't swear... I seem to recall that I got the kstate_none error when I upgraded my ivtv driver from 0.4something to a newer one. I had to delete the capture card reference in Myth entirely, quit everything, restart, and redefine the card. I am not sure if I had to update the database layout as well between steps.

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diamon:

I think I'd done a full dump, then updated both Myth and ivtv, and restored my full database, but the driver didn't respond to the old settings or some such.

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diamon:

Ok, that's it; I'm setting up my own wiki to keep random notes in. :P

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juski:

morning

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rooaus:

morning juski

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juski:

got to buy a universal remote for work

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juski:

we've got dvd players fed into distribution amps to feed 'camera' & test signals all over the building, and somebody put the remotes in the cardboard boxes the players came in. Course the boxes were thrown away.,..

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** rooaus whispers "but the pronto" :) **

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juski:

I don't think I can justify buying a pronto for here

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juski:

actually at the prices they go for new I don't think I could even justify it for myself!

[08:25:57]

rooaus:

yeah

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juski:

anyway apparently an Italian company have PC programmable remotes, and they're seriously cheaper than those naff Harmony things

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juski:

http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/Audio,+Video+& . . . ?sku=HS01316

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juski:

usb cable & programming software sold separately

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rooaus:

Interesting, we have Farnell here as well. I might have to have a look as well.

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juski:

oo had an interesting email today about my work on the channel config wiz :)

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juski:

I'm not the only one who wants to make life easier for UK users :D

[08:35:13]

juski:

hmm in a vote to stop an extra 2.35 pence duty being placed on fuel next week, an overwhelming 89% of people who voted are against it. funny that

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** juski wonders what virgin1's xmltvid & channel number are going to be **

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juski:

FFS. So it's OFCOM who are advocating a migration to DVB-T2 to free up bandwidth for 4 terrestrial HD channels! Their aim is to provide HD without eating into the existing standard def. lineup or freeing up extra spectrum for another multiplex. The bastards. Just axe all the ducking shopping channels & TUTV

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juski:

oh and they're also advocating moving to 64QAM for everything. Oh how I love macroblock errors

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juski:

DVB-T2 might be great for anybody who hasn't already bought into digital TV, but seen as over 10 million UK residents have set top boxes that can only receive dvb-t it's outrageous to even suggest dvb-t2 now

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Bolly:

hi guys i can't seem to download programme information

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Bolly:

or mythfilldatabase isn't working

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Bolly:

config file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/YorkshireTV.xmltv is empty, please delete and run me with --configure

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juski:

ah

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Bolly:

but i run mythtvdatabase --configure and it doesn't do anything

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Bolly:

well it says illegal option

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juski:

well, run tv_grab_uk_rt --configure

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juski:

then it'll ask you which channels you want

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Bolly:

ok added them

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juski:

don't be lazy & say 'all'

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juski:

cos if you do, you'll end up with a bunch of useless channels getting added to the mythtv database

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juski:

also, for the grabber to insert EPG data into mythtv, the channels in the database need to have the right xmltvid associated with them

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juski:

you should see the wiki entry about this.

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juski:

search for tv_grab_uk_rt

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juski:

and yes I know it's a lot more complicated than it should be – or more complicated than anybody lets on – but that's going to change when my wizard's finished :)

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Bolly:

it doesn't bother me

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Bolly:

least i can do after all the hard work put into it

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juski:

it's definitely not as easy as it should be. and it's confusing

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juski:

anyway, the .xmltv file should contain a line for every channel you want EPG data for. e.g. channel yorkshire.itv.co.uk etc

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juski:

and each channel in the mythtv database has to have an xmltvid. you can easily edit them with mythweb if you have that installed

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juski:

or phpmyadmin

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ol_schoola_:

juski: i have a mo and just caught this thread.... the Pronto is a time sink. if you want fast programming and rock solid look elsewhere. Universal Remote Control in the US has a decent retail and contractor lineup that is near bulletproof. have you tried a harmony 890 or UK equivalent? they are surprisingly flexible for what is offered. if you're not trying to tap dance around a half-dozen sat boxes and 20 displays, a harmo

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juski:

you can still always edit every channel in mythtv-setup but it's time-consuming

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juski:

ol_schoola_: I hate the whole concept of the Harmony remotes

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Bolly:

k

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Bolly:

added the channels i want

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juski:

Bolly: it's important that there aren't any channels in the .xmltv file that are not in the mythtv database, otherwise mythfilldatabase will add them & they'll have guide data but will be useless :)

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Bolly:

what's mythweb

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Bolly:

ooo

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Bolly:

http://mymythbox

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Sp4rKy:

hi

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ol_schoola_:

juski: you are talking to an AMX Crestron designer — the Harmony's have their place and work very, very well in that place. when a massive control systems in the 10k's of dollars isn't viable, my first gotos are URC's and Harmonys. they both work. very well. minimum trouble. minimum callbacks. this is how i make my living.

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ol_schoola_:

not trying to do any "one-upmanship" crap here

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ol_schoola_:

just relaying what pays the bills

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Sp4rKy:

mythtv detect very bad the TV channel with the scan

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Sp4rKy:

whereas other software works perfectly for scanning

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Sp4rKy:

any idea ?

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juski:

ol_schoola_: I don't care about how easy the harmony remotes are for Joe Numpty :)

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juski:

Sp4rKy: analogue or digital? what kind of tuner card?

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Sp4rKy:

a DVB card (haupauge)

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Sp4rKy:

analogue i guess

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juski:

ol_schoola_: my whole beef with them is the tiny display (I mean wtf is the POINT of that?) and the fact you have to program them with a PC running windows or a Mac

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Sp4rKy:

red

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Sp4rKy:

[ 20.500000] CORE cx88[0]: subsystem: 0070:9402, board: Hauppauge WinTV-HVR1100 DVB-T/Hybrid [card=40]

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juski:

Sp4rKy: DVB is digital

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Sp4rKy:

so digital :p

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juski:

right. are you trying to scan digital or analogue channels?

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Sp4rKy:

don't realy know

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Sp4rKy:

i re run config

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juski:

Sp4rKy: the default setting for tuner cards in mythtv-setup is Analogue V4L tuners – which will not pick up digital channels

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Sp4rKy:

k

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Sp4rKy:

can be an explanation :)

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Sp4rKy:

i try to find where change this setting

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juski:

tuner cards > tuner card type

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juski:

find the one which says DVB

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Sp4rKy:

yep

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Sp4rKy:

found

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Sp4rKy:

i retry with it

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juski:

do you know if digital TV is available where you live?

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Sp4rKy:

i don't know

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juski:

what other apps did you try?

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juski:

kaffeine is good for testing digital TVcards

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Sp4rKy:

vlc/kaffeine

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Sp4rKy:

kaffeine works well

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juski:

cool. that's good news then :)

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Sp4rKy:

:)

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juski:

now that your tuner is set to the right type, try scanning for channels again

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Sp4rKy:

yep

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Sp4rKy:

(the computer where mythtv is is pretty slow ...)

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juski:

what do you mean by pretty slow?

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Sp4rKy:

PIII with 400M of RAM 800Mhz

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Sp4rKy:

oups

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juski:

that should be ok

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Sp4rKy:

PIII 800Mhz with 400M of ram

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Sp4rKy:

it is

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Sp4rKy:

but the loading of the couf software is slow

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juski:

mythtv-setup can seem slow on even a 2Ghz machine

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juski:

when it first loads up I mean

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Sp4rKy:

^^

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SiD3WiNDR:

yup

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SiD3WiNDR:

especially if you run it on a huge monitor :p

[09:16:39]

SiD3WiNDR:

or it's just windows, I don't know

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juski:

sometimes I wish it'd just run with dialog

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SiD3WiNDR:

well, is there a reason not to, actually? because this always requires remote x'ing into it and such

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juski:

yeah there's a reason not to. nobody's written it that way

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SiD3WiNDR:

well, yeah

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SiD3WiNDR:

apart from that I mean :)

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SiD3WiNDR:

I was pondering about technical things which would prevent a dialogization

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juski:

there aren't really any. dialog can do dropdowns & spinboxes can't it?

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SiD3WiNDR:

I was wondering about the dropdowns

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SiD3WiNDR:

what's a spinbox?

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SiD3WiNDR:

ah

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juski:

something with up/down buttons to alter a value

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SiD3WiNDR:

input with up/down

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SiD3WiNDR:

hehe

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SiD3WiNDR:

google images to the rescue

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Sp4rKy:

how can i change the mythtv theme ?

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Sp4rKy:

'cause the one i choose is bugged

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juski:

bugged how?

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Sp4rKy:

i can't see menu ^^

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juski:

instal mstcorefonts

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Sp4rKy:

k

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juski:

you can't see the menu because the font it uses is Arial

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Sp4rKy:

ok

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juski:

and you don't have the font installed

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Sp4rKy:

mstcorefonts is installed :/

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Sp4rKy:

and it worked with the previous theme

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juski:

which theme?

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Sp4rKy:

a blue one ^^

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juski:

like that narrows it down any!

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ol_schoola_:

juski: lol. i have a good number of tech-hobbyist clients that feel the same way

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SiD3WiNDR:

lol

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juski:

ol_schoola_: I'm happy enough with my OFA-6 (made by OneForAll) & my jp1 cable butit could use easier setup of macros

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ol_schoola_:

three of them went that way. i think it's awesome that a customer goes to such lengths to help themself

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juski:

if I ever get a PDA with wifi I'll go to town with a web-ish remote

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ol_schoola_:

but scores more of my regulars are quite happy with the harmony's limitations because their relatives have them too. it's how i got dragged into them

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juski:

I can imagine the Harmony remotes are great if you don't have anything really esoteric

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ol_schoola_:

exactly

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ol_schoola_:

they have seriously basic setiups

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juski:

like I was saying to someone the other day even if I had a multiroom system I'd go with one remote per room

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juski:

no having to press 'livingroom' etc

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ol_schoola_:

or one touchpad <evilgrin>

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juski:

our houses in the UK aren't really big enough to justify proper multiroom setups anyway

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ol_schoola_:

there's really cool fringe stuff out there in the US

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juski:

certainly not where you have a big node zero where everything is

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ol_schoola_:

i couldn't begin to comprehend what life inside cinder walls is like

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ol_schoola_:

cinder block

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juski:

my house is real bricks & mortar

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ol_schoola_:

basements in wood framed homes (attics, too) are a freaking godsend to guys like us

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juski:

and proper floorboards. lots of space to run cabling

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ol_schoola_:

very nice

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juski:

2 foot of crawl space under the floor

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juski:

bit of a maze down there like :(

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ol_schoola_:

commercial work near or in the city (Chicago) can become very, very involved

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juski:

Sp4rKy: you can reset the theme to the default one with mythfrontend --reset

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diamon:

Space... That'd be nice. There's so much space in my place, but it's so wasted. I've been tempted to pull out every wall and rebuild the whole inside.

[09:34:38]

Sp4rKy:

juski: thx :)

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ol_schoola_:

diamon: the only way to find out is to buy a very decent set of poer tools

[09:34:48]

ol_schoola_:

power

[09:35:17]

diamon:

Mmm, power toys! Err, tools!

[09:35:22]

ol_schoola_:

sounds like ou'd have a lot of fun doing it. is there a missus?

[09:36:35]

ol_schoola_:

juski: 24" is a lot of space. be glad you have it

[09:38:19]

juski:

gonna build a new cupboard under the stairs this weekend. need to start letting the doggy out of the kitchen & all our shoes are currently in the hallway. he's never bothered them but we need to be 100% sure ;)

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Sp4rKy:

mhh another pb

[09:41:01]

Sp4rKy:

on the scan screen, France isn't proposed

[09:41:09]

Sp4rKy:

whereas i select it on other screen

[09:41:54]

ol_schoola_:

just saw a client that got back from the hospital. they got all the cancer out. big yay. across her front garden, cross the walk, up the wall, ziptied to the garden hose, through the brick then drywall, down the floor to the molding back round the headboard....

[09:42:43]

Bolly:

i am having problems getting mythtv to read from my usb ntfs formatted hard drive for movies

[09:42:43]

ol_schoola_:

....oh, it gets better. the cable feed really need to go to the brand new caretaker's quarters in the BACK of the home

[09:42:48]

Bolly:

music appears to work fine

[09:42:50]

Bolly:

any ideas

[09:43:12]

Bolly:

i can watch them fine from gnome

[09:43:23]

Bolly:

it's just the folder doesn't appear my 'Watch Videos' area

[09:43:32]

ol_schoola_:

cable goes back out the drywall then brick, follows the southern exterior of the home to the guest BR in the back and re-enters there

[09:43:37]

juski:

Bolly: mythvideo isn't a file browser

[09:44:06]

Bolly:

there's a directory browser under watch videos

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Bolly:

i'm guessing it creates some sort of index?

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juski:

the video manager does yes

[09:45:17]

juski:

but it's not some dumb ducking file browser like XBMC

[09:45:20]

juski:

thank duck

[09:45:48]

juski:

my guess is your USB disk isn't mounted to anywhere linked to the video you configured mythvideo to look at

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ol_schoola_:

the poor woman was crying (from laughter) after she explained the whole thing to me. the cableco super showed up 45 min later and tried really hard not to laugh

[09:45:59]

Bolly:

how can i get it to pick up the symlinked directory i have added to /storage/videos?

[09:46:23]

Bolly:

oh

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Bolly:

nm

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Bolly:

i went into the video editing software and it did a rescan

[09:46:38]

Bolly:

and it's found it :-)

[09:46:58]

juski:

you can add more dirs separated by colons in mythvideo I think.

[09:47:21]

Bolly:

oh cool

[09:47:24]

Bolly:

didn't know that :-)

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Bolly:

my first day with myth

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Bolly:

working well for me so far though :-)

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juski:

I don't know if it's supported in 0.20.x though

[09:47:46]

juski:

maybe it's only in SVN trunk

[09:47:51]

juski:

worth a try though

[09:49:15]

Sp4rKy:

grrr, i've channels now, but vvery bad quality

[09:49:34]

juski:

the wiki says multiple video dirs in mythvideo have been supported for a long time

[09:49:59]

juski:

Bolly: see the wiki about mythvideo. excellent info there

[09:50:26]

Bolly:

will do

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juski:

Sp4rKy: what do you mean 'bad quality' ?

[09:52:46]

Sp4rKy:

block all 2/3 seconds

[09:53:13]

juski:

and the same channels work fine in kaffeine?

[09:54:13]

Sp4rKy:

yep

[09:55:36]

juski:

do you have proper drivers installed for your VGA card? e.g. 'nvidia' (not 'nv') for nvidia cards ?

[09:56:12]

Sp4rKy:

yep

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juski:

don't know what the problem could be, then

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** Sp4rKy will still uses kaffeine until getting a tv :) **

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[10:06:17]

** juski guffaws on seeing somebody whine about video quality playing youtube vids on a 52" LCD **

[10:06:45]

juski:

320x240 block-o-vision looks crap on a 52" screen – shock!

[10:06:55]

rooaus:

lol

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juski:

rucking fetard

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[10:31:00]

Hoxzer:

is it possible to compile multiple lirc drivers without compiling them all ?

[10:32:30]

juski:

if you know what you're doing it probably is

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juski:

oo virgin1 has an xmltvid

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juski:

no xmltvid for Dave yet though

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quicksilver:

juski: *smirk* at the 52" youtube

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quicksilver:

juski: although I think it's the really shit encoding much more than the resolution. A really nice 320x240 can be blown up quite big without looking terrible.

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juski:

I've seen youtube vids on a 22" TV & they looked pretty awful tbh

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rooaus:

Hoxzer: Have you tried "./configure --help"?

[11:44:40]

diamon:

I seem to have a number of TV captures that report 'no seektable' when I try to edit them. If I run 'mythcommflag -rebuild' will it hit all of them, or only the ones missing their tables?

[11:48:45]

rooaus:

diamon: I have always specified the file when I have rebuilt seek tables, but I think mythcommflag processes all recordings if a specific one isn't specified.

[11:49:14]

diamon:

Oh well, it needs done one way or the other. --rebuild in progress. Yeah, it seems to be hitting them all, which will be a little bit of time for 400-ish gigs.

[11:50:09]

diamon:

I was going to break down and code my own merl hookup to the database to do transcoding, but I found a number of 'last version of MythTV' recordings report no seektable.

[11:50:19]

diamon:

Merl... Perl, I meant.

[11:50:24]

Hoxzer:

rooaus: yes................

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juski:

diamon: take a look at the 'ipodexport' script in contrib (in svn trunk) – it's usable with 0.20 though

[11:52:02]

diamon:

I'll do that. Anything that gives a leg-up is good. I tried the script in the wiki, but it's...a bit less than I was hoping for. So, I guess it's my time to try turning a hand at a useful task.

[11:52:35]

rooaus:

diamon: I have a user job that rebuilds seek tables on the recording.

[11:52:59]

diamon:

Ok, that's not good. 'mythcommflag --rebuild' hit three episodes, and stopped. I run it again, it does the same three over.

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juski:

diamon: the table might be borked

[11:53:31]

diamon:

rooaus: I might need that. Blah.

[11:53:36]

diamon:

juski: B0rked how?

[11:53:42]

diamon:

Can I just drop the data?

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juski:

borked as in needs mysqlcheck to check it out

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rooaus:

Hoxzer: the "--with-driver=X specify the driver to use, where X is one of:" output didn't help?

[11:54:40]

** directhex|work reserves a new teevee for his mother **

[11:55:05]

diamon:

mysqlcheck reports no problem.

[11:55:10]

juski:

rooaus: like I said it's prolly possible if you know what you're doing

[11:55:28]

juski:

if !(clue) {

[11:55:29]

diamon:

Plenty of free space, and no obvious signs of problems so far...

[11:56:37]

diamon:

Crud. Does mythcommflag accept wildcards for --file?

[11:56:43]

Hoxzer:

rooaus: dude... Multiple drivers without compiling them all. NOt a single driver without compiling them all

[11:56:54]

Hoxzer:

:(

[11:57:11]

juski:

Hoxzer: FWIW this isn't something you're gonna have to do often, and it's not as if the drivers take up much room

[11:57:22]

juski:

stop being such a whiny little cretin

[11:58:57]

diamon:

Well, one way to find out. Here's to hoping the programmers love unexpected fun, or I might have some interesting data shortly...

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diamon:

Nope, just Illegal Option. Well, a failure beats concatenated seek tables. :)

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diamon:

And, is there any tool to sync a cutlist back to my seektable?

[12:01:35]

juski:

nope

[12:01:49]

juski:

cutlists aren't stored in the seektable anyway

[12:01:54]

juski:

they're in recordedmarkup

[12:01:59]

diamon:

I know; that's my problem. :)

[12:02:28]

diamon:

Sorry, I said that wrong, cutlist back to skiplist.

[12:03:21]

diamon:

Say CommFlagging doesn't do a perfect job. I transcode, a few hiccups remain. Right now, I can manually enter the data in the DB, but...

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[12:07:07]

diamon:

Okay, that just won't finish running on its own. Not a good sign.

[12:08:07]

diamon:

And --all seems to be to re-force commercial flagging, as opposed to anything else.

[12:11:09]

diamon:

And no options seems to be just running the commercial flagger, like I expected. Ultracrap^2. Well, I've got some work cut out for me I guess. :)

[12:11:46]

diamon:

Oh good, a segfault. I always love those.

[12:18:34]

diamon:

Heh. A -v all shows the folly of asking for that, but at least my network is having fun.

[12:19:57]

diamon:

Wow, that PuTTY session is gobbling 50% of one full CPU core just getting all the data. Well, maybe it'll show me what it was mad about; it didn't take long to drop dead last time.

[12:21:45]

diamon:

Or, it'll finish, just to spite me. :) I love computers.

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Hoxzer:

I'm trying to configure my second IR-receiver which is plugged into the technotrend C1500. What I did was instal lirc once with --with-driver=serial and once with --with-driver=devinpu and finally with --with-driver=userspace (any failed because of compile error). Both seem to work with irrecord but whne it comes to the lircd inputdev (C1500 receiver) hangs at "Initializing" when client connects to it

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Hoxzer:

s/devinpu/devinput

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directhex|work:

gah. dear co-worker, I DON'T WANT AN EFFING DREAMBOX >_<

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diamon:

Dreambox?

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directhex|work:

a satellite piracy box masquerading as a legit STB

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AndyCap:

directhex|work: why is he pushing it onto you?

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laga:

re

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directhex|work:

i dared to mention i was thinking about DVB-S when he was witin earshot. apparently he's been pirating^Wusing digital tv for donkeys' years, so i should go to him for help. and decryption keys

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juski:

who you gonna call? ;)

[12:39:41]

laga:

mythbusters?

[12:40:51]

SiD3WiNDR:

:D

[12:40:54]

diamon:

Okay... So, I run 'mythcommflag -v all --rebuild' and it runs, hits three files, and gracefully ends... What *is* it doing?

[12:41:09]

** laga has just added category support to his grabber and now mythweb is very colorful **

[12:43:10]

diamon:

Doh. It didn't do the rebuild, apparently because the rest are already commercial flagged. ARRGH.

[12:43:56]

diamon:

--all it is, then... Let's see what THAT does.

[12:44:51]

diamon:

That's doing it, but I was secretly hoping it'd see who had a seektable, not who had commercial flagging, to decide on rebuilding.

[12:45:41]

diamon:

Yes, now I'm sure, it's hitting more than it did last time.

[12:47:42]

diamon:

Okay, so now I'm doing a "--rebuild --all". Does this mean I now have to re-run commercial flagging on EVERYTHING so they work right?

[12:52:22]

juski:

heh. I should've have laughed so loudly at that joke

[12:54:04]

juski:

Jose Mourinho has said he wants to go back to Portugal & never be seen or heard from again..

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juski:

guess the song title.. www.juski.co.uk/pic29483.jpg

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laga:

it's quite sickening that the page title says "mythtv gui themes"

[13:01:28]

kdubya:

cum on elien!

[13:02:30]

kdubya:

DUDE I USE YOUR THEME

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** juski hides **

[13:03:32]

kdubya:

can i get your autograph

[13:03:44]

juski:

X

[13:03:45]

juski:

there

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kdubya:

thanks

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laga:

o_O

[13:05:18]

** laga is obviously too stupid to concatenate strings properly in perl **

[13:05:39]

juski:

with join () ?

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laga:

well, i was gonna do: $prog = $prog . "some string";

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juski:

should work ok

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laga:

but the "." ends up in the string. i might have to adjust some quotes

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** laga fiddles **

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** diamon watches Rome burn... **

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** janneg thinks diamon lives 1943 years too late **

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diamon:

Nope, got Civ IV!

[13:17:11]

laga:

took you a long time to look that up

[13:17:11]

kdubya:

or he could be watchin jim rome's tv show

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laga:

:>

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diamon:

Fried 'em up for Laga special. :)

[13:17:41]

kdubya:

but i doubt other americans are awake so you dont know who that is

[13:18:38]

** juski wodners if it's hometime yet **

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

hometime

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juski:

hahaha I've found a dog biscuit in my back pocket

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kdubya:

snack

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laga:

so it looks like i can't construct a hash in a string like: $foo = ('channel' => $chanid) and use %hash = $foo to assign it :/

[13:21:12]

laga:

it's awesome that the xmltv writer stuff just won't write out a programme entry if an item is empty, eg the description.

[13:22:08]

juski:

you might need to test it first & skip it (or place a value like 'unknown' in there)

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laga:

well, yes. but if i have to test for everything, things are gonna get ugly quick because there'll be lots of possible combinations. that's why i was going to test for every item separately and construct the hash accordingly.. hum

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laga:

i could plce "unknown" in there, right.

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AndyCap:

laga: %hash = %$foo ?

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laga:

good call, but: Can't use string ("(channel => rtl2.de, start => 20") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use

[13:32:59]

laga:

i'll check how tv_grab_na_dd does it

[13:33:48]

laga:

if i had known that tv_grab_na_dd does basically the same stuff i do, i'd have taken a look earlier :)

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laga:

hum

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laga:

duh, i'm stupid.

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** laga tinkers **

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** CaptObviousman wonders ... have they hacked the 360 enough to make it run linux **

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juski:

nawww don't be daft

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laga:

i think so, but it's not easy to hack it

[13:44:28]

CaptObviousman:

heh, looks like a spammer hacked the free60.org wiki

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** CaptObviousman uses the term "hacked" loosely here **

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directhex|work:

it can be done, but what's the point?

[13:48:13]

kdubya:

no joke

[13:48:16]

kdubya:

pointless

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directhex|work:

you lose the ability to use the 360 properly as a games machine. given the 360 has great games and is a bit noisy, why castrate it?

[13:49:20]

CaptObviousman:

well, I was just thinking aloud

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directhex|work:

i know someone who's done it

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directhex|work:

if you want linux on a console, try the ps3. at least it doesn't harm the game-playing capabilities

[13:50:19]

kdubya:

or just

[13:50:21]

kdubya:

you know

[13:50:23]

kdubya:

use a computer

[13:51:49]

juski:

or a knife, and cut your own heart out

[13:52:02]

laga:

yay

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fredl:

hello, what's a good TV card to get when using mythtv on Debian with currently analog TV but looking forward to getting digital TV in the near future?

[14:13:28]

directhex|work:

a nova-t?

[14:13:34]

directhex|work:

good time to ditch analog

[14:14:06]

fredl:

yeah I was thinking it's a good time to ditch analog too. Was looking ito buying a haupage card because they're so well supported (I heard)

[14:14:16]

fredl:

but the haupage cards are analog only correct?

[14:14:50]

directhex|work:

depends on *which* hauppauge cards

[14:15:02]

fredl:

oh the nova-t is a haupage card, just looking it up

[14:15:08]

directhex|work:

i've been using hauppauge for digital since about... hm... which year did 2.6.12 get released?

[14:15:36]

fredl:

but they do *only* digital, correct?

[14:15:49]

directhex|work:

nova-t? yes

[14:16:08]

directhex|work:

i fail to see the point of combined cards, so i don't know about them

[14:17:12]

fryfrog:

those digital + analog cards *always* have shitty non-mpeg2 encoding analog chipsets

[14:17:19]

fredl:

well combined cards would give you a migration possibility right? I mean electronically it shouldn't be a big deal I'd think.

[14:17:19]

fryfrog:

they aren't worth their weight in animal feces

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fredl:

so what exactly is digital terrestrial TV?

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directhex|work:

fredl, digital tv, over the air.

[14:19:12]

fredl:

and is that available in the Netherlands?

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directhex|work:

fredl, in .uk, it means extra channels (~30 instead of 5), better picture quality (~dvd), and more functionality (interactive, EPG)

[14:19:58]

CaptObviousman:

hmm

[14:20:06]

CaptObviousman:

that's something I haven't thought of until just now

[14:20:20]

CaptObviousman:

right now the only signal I have is OTA hd, coming in off of a coax

[14:20:39]

CaptObviousman:

if I decide to get satellite, that comes in as mixed SD/HD right?

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fredl:

so how about the Hauppauge HVR1300?

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fredl:

that does mpeg-2, dvb-t, analog and digital.

[14:22:29]

directhex|work:

"On the night of 10–11 December 2006, the Netherlands switched off its analogue terrestrial television network. This makes it the first country in the world to complete analogue switch-off. " O_o

[14:23:23]

CaptObviousman:

US was supposed to have done that last year I believe

[14:23:24]

fredl:

and the HVR1300 is the same price as the Nove-TD

[14:23:37]

CaptObviousman:

it's been extended through 2008

[14:23:53]

fredl:

directhex|work, okay, I guess that means DVB-T is available in .nl :-)

[14:24:04]

CaptObviousman:

we have this obsession in america with never letting older technology get completely obsoleted

[14:24:06]

directhex|work:

avoid the td, it's VERY dodgy

[14:24:24]

CaptObviousman:

which is why we're STILL using the x86 architecture tens of years later

[14:24:44]

fredl:

hmm the mycom here doesn't list the nova-t. I figured the nova-td would be similar but it's not?

[14:25:06]

directhex|work:

the td is a dual-tuner card using an unsupported chipset

[14:25:25]

directhex|work:

it's known to be VERY flaky. even under windows, it fails on many motherboards due to inherent poor design

[14:25:33]

fredl:

oh okay. you know anything about the HVR1300 then?

[14:25:33]

|Torg|:

CaptObviousman: US shutoff is Feb 17, 2009

[14:25:53]

phedny:

fredl: Digitenne by KPN is DVB-T indeed

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directhex|work:

the hvr-1300 works with drivers from svn linuxtv, but the encoder part doesn't

[14:25:57]

|Torg|:

Uk is somehting like 2013

[14:26:14]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, keeps getting delayed

[14:26:27]

|Torg|:

as does outs

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|Torg|:

err ours

[14:26:49]

fredl:

Hmm, so am I right to assume then that the HVR-1300 is a newer card and therefore still a work in progress?

[14:26:56]

directhex|work:

fredl, aye

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|Torg|:

whats intersting to me is nearly everyone I talk to does not know about it

[14:27:21]

fredl:

sounds like a charm then, maybe I can hack into the development a little too then.

[14:27:41]

directhex|work:

http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb?cmd=changeset;n . . . style=gitweb

[14:27:51]

juski:

directhex|work: better picture quality? rofl

[14:28:19]

directhex|work:

juski, generally, sure.

[14:28:28]

juski:

if I was to start lobbying for the removal of shopping channels from Freeview who'd join me?

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directhex|work:

juski, mpeg2 artefacting versus analog snow. who wins?

[14:28:44]

juski:

hell I'll even pay to have them taken off

[14:28:52]

fredl:

oh that's a post from 12 months ago, one would expect that it's near completion or done now then.

[14:28:57]

directhex|work:

you can't say five life looks worse on digital, 'cos it's not on analog ;)

[14:29:04]

jduggan:

id pay if they gave the free bandwidth to BBC HD

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jduggan:

:p

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juski:

fredl: the hvr1300 is supported now IIRC

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directhex|work:

juski, fully? even the encoder?

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juski:

jduggan: so would I, _if_ they bought me a PC which could play it

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directhex|work:

hang on, the encoder means checking ivtv wiki, not linuxtv, i suppose

[14:29:37]

juski:

directhex|work: IIRC yes

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fredl:

juski – awesome. that sounds like the card to go for for me then.

[14:29:46]

fredl:

and they're only a hundred euros.

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directhex|work:

fredl, what are you watching on analog?

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juski:

fredl: combo cards are not worth horseshit

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jduggan:

juski: heh :)

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juski:

combo==hybrid==horseypoo

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fredl:

directhex|work, currently I watch pretty much everything in analog.

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|Torg|:

juski: how much is horseshit?

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juski:

FA

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jduggan:

wow he finishes early

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fredl:

juski – so when I get digital over the cable I'll be able to watch/record that too with the HVR1300?

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directhex|work:

you never said anything about cable

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phedny:

in the netherlands not all channels that are available on analog cable are available on dvb-t

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fredl:

I know, but I'm doing that now :)

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directhex|work:

if you're using cable, you need dvb-c. assuming your cable provider allows you to use something that's not their approved set-top box

[14:31:49]

fredl:

directhex|work, additionally, UPC is selling HDTV as well. Still 720p and I expect that to stay like that for a while.

[14:32:07]

diamon:

How's firewire support nowadays? I have a port on my cable box I was going to mess with...

[14:32:24]

directhex|work:

diamon, firewire support in myth is great. support in your box? depends on your box

[14:32:28]

phedny:

fredl: UPC encrypts all channels, even those from the basic package, so you'd better make sure you can decrypt it

[14:32:40]

fredl:

directhex|work, I'd love to be able to get the scifi channel.

[14:33:19]

fredl:

phedny – crap. I hate that shit, I don't want all the extra add-on set-top boxes

[14:34:16]

fredl:

phedny – ah I see you're from the .nl too.

[14:34:53]

moosylo1:

phedny: Do you have digital working with UPC?

[14:35:10]

phedny:

fredl, moosylo1: yes I'm from .nl, no I don't have UPC

[14:35:21]

fredl:

phedny – how about an antenna for DVB-T here in .nl? See my house is pretty high, should the antenna be up high?

[14:35:38]

fredl:

or doesn't that make much of a difference?

[14:35:42]

phedny:

fredl: I don't have any experience with DVB-T, only read things about it

[14:36:23]

phedny:

but I assume if http://www.kpn.com/web/show/id=76714 says you can receive the signal, it should work

[14:38:38]

fredl:

phedny – argh. it shows Flevoland dark green (digitenne available) on the map, yet when I fill in my zipcode it says it's not available.

[14:39:02]

phedny:

fredl: same for me, except that entering the housenumber of my neighbours, suddenly it is available

[14:39:31]

phedny:

but I might buy a DVB-T stick soon, just to try whether it works :)

[14:39:50]

fredl:

oh my god, those KPN fools :P

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fredl:

well that HVR1300 sure seems like a nice thing to try.

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fredl:

so do you know if digitenne is encrypted or something?

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phedny:

there are four bouquets; the first of which only has fta channels (ned1..3 and some radio stations)

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phedny:

the other three are all encrypted with conax as far as I found on the internet

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AndyCap:

at least you can get legal cam's for conax

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fredl:

whats a cam?

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|Torg|:

Conditional Access Module

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phedny:

true, and on the digitenne order form you can choose to receive up to 3 smartcards

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AndyCap:

a fancy smartcard holder. :)

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|Torg|:

the *thing* that decryptes the sognal

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|Torg|:

and tehcnially AndyCap its the holder AND the card

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fredl:

oh okay, and would such a cam fit somewhere in the HVR1300 that you know of?

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: umm, not in the civilized dvb world.

[14:44:45]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: crappy cablecard notwhithstanding

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|Torg|:

yes AndyCap the access card is nothing more then the decrypt routine engine made exterannly

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fredl:

so where would I find such a 'cam' and where would it fit in?

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|Torg|:

I can even point you tward IRDs with internal cams and no access cards

[14:45:38]

phedny:

fredl: you have DVB card <-> CI (Common Interface) <-> CAM <-> smartcard

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|Torg|:

fredl: they plug into a CI slot and sorta look like a PCMCIA card with a card slot

[14:46:37]

fredl:

so... a CI slot is typically not in a PC, correct?

[14:46:49]

fredl:

it would be on the DVB card, if at all?

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|Torg|:

fredl: not legally, no

[14:47:08]

AndyCap:

some cards have CI slot built in, some have it with a ribbon cable, and some have USB (which is no good since they can't have linux software support)

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|Torg|:

some are part of teh card itslef, many are dughter cards

[14:47:40]

fredl:

|Torg|, so it's illegal?

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|Torg|:

well im not a laywer, but its usualy agsanst the TOS

[14:48:03]

AndyCap:

fredl: not if you buy a card with CI slot, a legal cam, and have a legal smartcard.

[14:48:18]

AndyCap:

fredl: and yeah, you didn't sign a contract saying you can't do that

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|Torg|:

there are places you can get a card, CI and CAM all leagally

[14:49:21]

fredl:

well you happen to know of any such places in the .nl?

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fredl:

I'm trying to figure out if the hauppauge HVR1300 has a CI slot...

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|Torg|:

fredl: AFAIK thats the only place you *CAN* do it legally

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fredl:

heh then at least there's something good about .nl :-)

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|Torg|:

I dont know if the HVR1300 has a CI, but I also didnt think any DVB-T was encrypted

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AndyCap:

oh, lots of DVB-T is encrypted.

[14:53:13]

AndyCap:

every country with a failing DVB-T rollout uses encryption.

[14:53:14]

AndyCap:

:P

[14:53:36]

AndyCap:

then they go bankrupt, and try again with FTA

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|Torg|:

it would seem counterproductive to me to entypt it

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phedny:

I don't think KPN will go bankrupt soon

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laga:

encryption blows

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|Torg|:

sucks too

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AndyCap:

and it doesn't even feel good

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|Torg|:

I like the way it puts tash in my scans, I get pids like [0001] etc from it

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phedny:

|Torg|: pid 0001 always contains the CAT and must be present for all TS'es that have at least one encrypted stream in it

[14:55:58]

|Torg|:

phedny: I know where it comes from, I just done like them

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|Torg|:

id rather have a azap.conf without having to resrot to using vi to clean it

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fredl:

hmm the nova-td also uses USB....

[14:57:02]

fredl:

I cant find anything about a ci slot on the hvr1300 so I assume it's not there.

[14:57:12]

|Torg|:

I donnt trust ANY dvb that uses USB

[14:57:36]

AndyCap:

fredl: I think the plan for hauppauge there was to use a USB CI slot, which won't do us much good

[14:57:36]

phedny:

tomimo: azap is voor atsc?

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|Torg|:

yes its for ATSC, I live in the US

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fredl:

Hrmmm

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|Torg|:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_ci.html

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directhex|work:

technotrend do hardware CI

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|Torg|:

its one of teh USB CIs that AndyCap told you not to use

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fredl:

okay... so how come USB CI's are no good on Linux?

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|Torg|:

that I dont know, I dont use one, I suppose its becsae to use a CI that inst part of teh hardware requires software

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jarle_:

Using phpMyadmin I see that the mythtv password in the mysql databse is encrypted. Can I just change this password using phpMyadmin and the new password will automatically be encrypted?

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|Torg|:

yes

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jarle_:

|Torg|: hmm.. not sure that worked very well.... The password keeps being unencrypted...

[15:24:04]

|Torg|:

there is either something you did wrong, or something you edited wrong

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jarle_:

|Torg|: could you walk me through a passwordchange on the commandline?

[15:26:22]

jarle_:

|Torg|: I'm at "use mysql"...

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jarle_:

|Torg|: the I need to list the 'user' table I guess...

[15:27:02]

|Torg|:

update mysql.user set password=password('whatver') where user='someuser' and host='somehost';

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|Torg|:

dont forget to flush the priviledges afterwards

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|Torg|:

you can drop the host= if you want to change all the passwords for every user with that use

[15:28:16]

|Torg|:

mysql passowrds come in two kinds localhost and other boxes

[15:30:10]

|Torg|:

you can also use set password for user@host=password('whatever'); but you have to be using the db mysql

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jarle_:

the "flush priviledges;" ?

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|Torg|:

yes after you change anything in the user table flush them

[15:31:14]

|Torg|:

and from personal experiance you have to spell privileges correctly :P

[15:31:46]

jarle_:

|Torg|: worked much better when spelled correctly...

[15:32:21]

|Torg|:

yes I know, I usually mispell it once or twice befoer I can get it to work :)

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fredl:

hmm the Twinhan cards look nice....

[15:33:28]

fredl:

built in CI slot....

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fredl:

https://www.satshop.nl/catalog/product_info.p . . . ducts_id=240

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Bolly:

i have a playsation 2 and a composite connection on the back of my card

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Bolly:

can i use it?

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mark888:

with mythtv going to opengl and such, will the via x-chrome chipsets still work well with mythtv?

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mark888:

I was wondering 'cause I was about to buy a via epia mini-itx w/ cle266 chipset

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juski:

mark888: I wouldn't if I were you

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juski:

they _just_ about cope playing mpeg2 SDTV

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juski:

I use an epia M10000 for my frontend & it sometimes can't cope in mythtv playing back mpeg2 recordings

[15:54:38]

juski:

if I had another chance I'd buy something with a real CPU

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mark888:

i heard playing mpeg2 sdtv they have processor usage like 10%

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juski:

oh they can be, but YMMV

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juski:

mine was fine with some versions of minimyth, but as drivers get newer & mythtv progresses, playback becomes troublesome

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juski:

mplayer & xine are fine though :-\

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mark888:

hmmm, is xvmc being used on your m10k?

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juski:

yeah

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juski:

CPU usage is actually lessened with newer versions but playback is totally spoiled by prebufferring pauses & crap

[15:56:13]

juski:

so it's not CPU use which is the problem

[15:56:24]

juski:

it's something to do with drivers and/or mythtv

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juski:

I found it was fine on ubuntu, which presumably uses older versions of all the drivers though

[15:56:55]

** willcooke is home – having finished his last day at his job – yay **

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mark888:

whoa--- reading

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juski:

but I never got digital AND analogue audio to work all the time. it was hit & miss. Mrs Juski likes not having to turn the amplifier on

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juski:

congrats willcooke

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willcooke:

:) ta!

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** juski has just been for a long walkies. Rory is noticably tired **

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willcooke:

:) Has Mrs Juski warmed to the idea yet?

[15:58:23]

juski:

yeah. I think the crying really got to her but it's much much less now

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willcooke:

result

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juski:

really got to me too. you really must have to have something badly unplugged to be cruel to these creatures

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willcooke:

damn right

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juski:

so what next for willcooke? holiday, then new job?

[16:01:32]

willcooke:

yup – a week in Paxos and then three days painting the windows, then start new job on a Thursday!

[16:01:57]

juski:

I'm gonna measure up shortly to see how much wood I need to make this new cupboard under the stairs

[16:02:26]

juski:

that done, we can get a gate for the stairs & rory has more room to roam during the day

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willcooke:

sounds like a good weekend project

[16:02:58]

juski:

unless changing the bathroom handle would be easier so he can't open it & manage to shut himself in

[16:03:48]

Bolly:

how can i play playstation 2 through mythtv?

[16:04:06]

juski:

Bolly: with _lots_ of lag! muhahahaha

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Bolly:

bah

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|Torg|:

Bolly: why would you want to?

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Bolly:

is that cause it's always recording?

[16:04:32]

Bolly:

|Torg|: i don't have a composite connection on my monitor

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|Torg|:

its becse you converting it multiple times

[16:04:33]

Bolly:

:(

[16:04:36]

juski:

get a framegrabber card & make a new menu item to open tvtime & play the framegrabber

[16:04:41]

juski:

:)

[16:05:18]

juski:

Bolly: mythtv == PVR/DVR != video switch box for your TV

[16:05:43]

Bolly:

know of any tv tuner tools for linux that can just display a live stream?

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|Torg|:

in the contect you are thinking Bolly noting can display live tv

[16:06:32]

Bolly:

cause for windows i have a tool called WinTV that lets me play ps2

[16:06:36]

BULLE:

Bolly: you will always have a delay, and that delay will be noticeable in fast games

[16:07:15]

Bolly:

yeah i think there is a fraction of a second delay but i can play tekken tag ok

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juski:

tvtime but it only works with framegrabber cards

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juski:

leave your mythtv tuner(s) for recording TV

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juski:

or just use your TV

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AndyCap:

a switchbox costs what? 40$

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juski:

much less if you don't need remote control

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mark888:

thanks juski for you experience w/your via m10k

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juski:

I'm not specifically saying you'll have problems just be aware that whatever Via call their CPUs in Mhz isn't indicative of the kind of performance you'll get

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|Torg|:

does anyone have experiance with playback profiles where SD OSD works but HD OSD comes out greyscale?

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willcooke:

juski, did you get my mail from last(?) night?

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mark888:

juski, so when your m10k wasn't playing back mpeg2 well, did you know if the cpu was maxed or if it was low?

[16:31:47]

juski:

willcooke: yeah. if you want to post I think my paypal details should have my address

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willcooke:

juski, will check, ta

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juski:

mark888: less than 50%. like way less

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willcooke:

juski, doesnt look like I can see your full details

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|Torg|:

who maintains the code for playback profiles?

[16:33:47]

willcooke:

juski, email it me

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cyrexion:

Hey guys. I don't have any program guide service associated with my mythbox, so when I record a show, it creates entries which say 'Unknown'. Is there any way to rename the shows after they have been recorded?

[16:35:52]

|Torg|:

edit the recorded table

[16:36:24]

|Torg|:

of course you will also screw up the recording history of it when you do

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cyrexion:

where can I find that, |Torg| ?

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|Torg|:

mythconverg.recorded

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cyrexion:

thanks

[16:37:10]

cyrexion:

I can deal with recording history issues :)

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|Torg|:

I would probbly edit the subtitle of them instead of title tho

[16:37:55]

|Torg|:

it would sorta change how you use and view playback but it will have less effect then chaning titles arround

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juski:

willcooke: will do

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willcooke:

juski, got it

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mark888:

thx juski. I'd been interested in via epia's partly 'cause iMediaMythTv sounds super simple, being preconfigured for via's

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mark888:

given that distro is specifically for'em, do you think it'd have the most compatible (older?) drivers?

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Michael_V:

I haven't yet installed MythTV because I'm having an ALSA problem with AC3 passthrough over SPDIF, but the #alsa channel is silent, so can someone please help me here?

[17:09:42]

|Torg|:

what problem are you having?

[17:10:05]

Michael_V:

Well I have normal (stereo) sound going out over SPDIF fine, but the passthrough test in mplayer with a DVD gives me alsa-lib errors

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juski:

mark888: I'd honestly not expect iMedia to be any good – certainly not very up to date

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Michael_V:

I'm using a Chaintech AV-710 (ICE1724) in Fedora 7

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|Torg|:

what chipset?

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Michael_V:

For the sound card? It's the envy24

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|Torg|:

no the chipset, pastebin aplay -l

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Michael_V:

http://pastebin.com/m2c291cf9

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|Torg|:

do you have any recordings with DTS?

[17:15:37]

Michael_V:

I think so...I'm going to try clear and present danger

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juski:

I find the DTS trailers (readily available) are very good for testing surround

[17:17:05]

|Torg|:

pastebin aplay -L too please

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Michael_V:

oh I don't have the dts codec installed apparently

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|Torg|:

its libdts

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Michael_V:

http://pastebin.com/m3e6e65da

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Michael_V:

Am I correct in assuming I should see some sort of spdif or iec958 in that aplay -L list? (there's none)

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|Torg|:

that isnt aplay -L

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|Torg|:

-L will show you the profiles you ahve set

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|Torg|:

and yes iec985 is the real name of what you are trying to do, spdif is the interface

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Michael_V:

that is aplay -L though...I was wondering why it didn't match the examples

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|Torg|:

do you ahve an /etc/asound.conf

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Michael_V:

yes

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|Torg|:

pastebin that

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Michael_V:

http://pastebin.com/mbbade5b

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|Torg|:

what is your spdif connected to?

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Michael_V:

a kenwood receiver

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Michael_V:

when I run mplayer -ao alsa:spdif -ac hwac3 dvd:// it has an error message and no sound

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|Torg|:

im guessing that reciver does 44100 and not 48000?

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Michael_V:

I'm not sure

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Michael_V:

regular audio output works fine

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Michael_V:

Is that 48000 too?

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|Torg|:

well you told your digital output to convert the stuff you send it from analog to digital

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|Torg|:

so im guesing also dosnt like to try to convert dts with an alog filter

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|Torg|:

you need to set up a mix

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Michael_V:

[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: conf.c:3949:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters AES0=6

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Michael_V:

[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM spdif:AES0=6

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Michael_V:

that's what I get in mplayer

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Michael_V:

how do I set up a mix?

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|Torg|:

im making one for you by hand, holdon

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Michael_V:

thank you

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|Torg|:

http://www.pastebin.ca/718730

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|Torg|:

backup your old asound.conf and put that in its place

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|Torg|:

I do not know what your Kenwood will play, but my Sony only does 48000

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|Torg|:

you may need to adjust that

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Michael_V:

which device do I specify now for -ao alsa: ?

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|Torg|:

the period_time and period_size should be ok, you may beed to up the buffer_size

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|Torg|:

none, see the !default?

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Michael_V:

it gives a slightly different error now

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Michael_V:

[AO_ALSA] Format ac3 is not supported by hardware, trying default.

[17:35:46]

Michael_V:

[AO_ALSA] Unable to set format: Invalid argument

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Michael_V:

Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.

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|Torg|:

what I wrote implictly says put everything out the spdif

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joyzlin:

hi there. A newbie-like question: can I somehow set which tuner is used for live tv? I'd like it to use my dvb-s one not the analog one, if possible.

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AndyCap:

joyzlin: you can choose with a button if I'm not completely mistaken

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joyzlin:

AndyCap: the avoid conflicts, right?

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joyzlin:

that's the only button related to live tv, afaik

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joyzlin:

i'll give it a try

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AndyCap:

joyzlin: no. that's a setting

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Nik_Doof:

Y – change encoder(?)

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AndyCap:

joyzlin: press Y while viewing

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AndyCap:

Nik_Doof: yeah. (switch capture cards)

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joyzlin:

that's not WAF friendly

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Nik_Doof:

tell me about it :)

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AndyCap:

joyzlin: otherwise I think it takes the first card that's free (in the order you added them) unless the avoid conflicts is on when it does some other magic

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|Torg|:

Michael_V: do you have liba52 installed?

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Michael_V:

no

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Michael_V:

Do I need it?

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joyzlin:

AndyCap: right, it's in the order I added them but it's not optimal order I must say :)

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AndyCap:

joyzlin: well, add them in the order you want

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joyzlin:

I'll give the "avoid conflicts" a try – I've just happened to found a message from Bruce that says that it tries the cards backwards – from the latest up

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|Torg|:

yes Michael_V

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Nik_Doof:

is there any debug flags that cover input? pressing F12 but mheg doesnt seem to be firing up

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Michael_V:

I just installed it. Do I do anything differently? I get the same error as last time

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joyzlin:

AndyCap: I am afraid of losing my hardly tuned channels so I'd rather avoid playing with the cards and stuff

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joyzlin:

AndyCap: though currently they are numbered from 4 up and I'd like to have them from 0 or 1 but "don't touch what works" rule wins ;)

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Michael_V:

I wish I were at the "don't touch what works" stage :)

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AndyCap:

joyzlin: that's the good thing with videosources. :)

[17:45:23]

AndyCap:

joyzlin: what's numbered from 4 and up?

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AndyCap:

that's nice with the local cable co though. they list their channels with frequency in mhz.

[17:46:17]

joyzlin:

Michael_V: this is actually my 12th straight day of playing with Myth so I'd rather finish this game and go on something else. Losing my channels would kill me now :)

[17:46:30]

joyzlin:

AndyCap: the video cards are from 4 up

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joyzlin:

AndyCap: oh, tuner cards

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Michael_V:

12 days...I'm on day 2 and I haven't even installed it yet...This doesn't look promising :)

[17:47:14]

AndyCap:

12 days?

[17:47:37]

** AndyCap wonders what he missed in his setup. **

[17:48:07]

AndyCap:

oh well. I have tv, guide data and recordings. I'm happy

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joyzlin:

AndyCap: I've been tuning something special (the multirec branch), don't worry about those 12 days. I am just explaining why I wouldn't like playing in mythtv-setup anymore :)

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Nik_Doof:

oooo multirec :)

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Nik_Doof:

im too scared to put that on, the SO would kill me if she couldnt watch neighbours

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joyzlin:

actually I was thinking about editing the cardid numbers directly in the database but I am not sure which other tables it's linked to..

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Michael_V:

hmm

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Michael_V:

I made the receiver speakers pop for a second!

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Michael_V:

with -ao alsa:device=default

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Michael_V:

[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: conf.c:3949:(snd_config_expand) Unknown parameters AES0=6

[17:52:25]

Michael_V:

[AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM default:AES0=6

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Michael_V:

AO: [alsa] 48000Hz 2ch ac3 (1 bytes per sample)

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Michael_V:

I still get that though...

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Nik_Doof:

wow, mheg support is impressive

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maddi_:

Hi all

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maddi_:

Somebody here who uses tv_grab_de_tv_today ?

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Michael_V:

Does anyone know how to make this work?

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|Torg|:

did you install the lib?

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S2:

maddi_, i did, but it's not working anymore

[17:57:13]

S2:

maddi_, there is an alternative now

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Michael_V:

yes

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maddi_:

S2: prisma ?

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Michael_V:

I ran yum install a52dec

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cyrexion:

Is there some kind of flag that gets set in a database or file that indicates what show from 'recorded shows' is currently playing?

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maddi_:

S2: What is the alternative ?

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S2:

maddi_, no. i mean tvmovie2vdr -> tvm2xml.pl

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maddi_:

ah, ok

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S2:

maddi_, works good here. i can recomend it :)

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S2:

it's very quick

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maddi_:

nice

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maddi_:

Is it alot of work to change the channel ids etc ?

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S2:

maddi_, yes :( took me about an hour

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S2:

you have to do it by hand

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maddi_:

arg, I hate this, well gotta get going

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S2:

me too

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S2:

bye

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maddi_:

I mean i have to start doing it ;)

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AndyCap:

S2: shouldn't take too long if you're editing the sql?

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S2:

AndyCap, depends on haw many channes you have to map

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Michael_V:

I give up

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Michael_V:

I think I'm going to go to Fry's and buy the Turtle Beach Riviera 5.1 card instead

[18:34:43]

Michael_V:

Does anyone have any comments on how that will be?

[18:35:05]

Michael_V:

I found an ubuntuforums thread in which a frustrated AV-710 owner bought one of those and it worked :)

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directhex:

Kazan, why? who uses mips?

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juski:

Michael_V: unless you need analogue 5.1 output, there's not much point getting anything expensive

[18:36:01]

Michael_V:

it's only $30

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AndyCap:

directhex: broadcom does at least

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Michael_V:

it has digital spdif

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Michael_V:

and considering all the hours I've spent trying to get this one to work, even if I consider my time worth minimum wage I'll come out ahead

[18:37:09]

Michael_V:

but no one has any bad things to say about the turtle beach card in linux for ac3 passthrough?

[18:39:30]

directhex:

i just used onboard for that

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Michael_V:

I don't have onboard spdif

[18:39:56]

Michael_V:

but I will go get the card and try it I gues

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Michael_V:

*guess

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Michael_V:

if it works immediately like someone said, that'd be fantastic

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juski:

well it might :) has more chance than a newer device, put it that way

[18:42:48]

directhex:

well for my onboard, i had to *gasp* change an alsa switch

[18:43:29]

juski:

I find it confusing that the default for some devices is to have the spdif out enabled, and not on others.

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juski:

be nice aswell if some of the controls were specifically named – like the 'volume' control for spdif actually controls the source

[18:44:03]

jarle:

I have a lot of channels where either signal quality is too low to get a LOCK or the channel is encrypted. I want to put together an scanning routine that will scan all my channels and mark the channels I can not watch "invisible". Any hints on which way to go with this?

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Yahooadam:

jarle – as far as i know the only way to make the channel "invisible" is to delete it

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jarle:

Yahooadam: no, you have a setting for each channel to set it visible or not...

[18:47:45]

Yahooadam:

really ?

[18:47:46]

Yahooadam:

bah :p

[18:47:52]

Yahooadam:

wish i knew that

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jarle:

Yahooadam: so that is not the problem... Automating the process is the problem...

[18:48:29]

Yahooadam:

i see it now

[18:48:44]

Yahooadam:

i guess you could find the script that finds channels, then edit it to make it do it your way ?

[18:49:04]

jarle:

Yahooadam: setting visible to "0" will stop that channel to be scanned for programs to record..

[18:49:20]

directhex:

Yahooadam, it does alread.

[18:49:36]

directhex:

there's a tickbox for "free to air only" or somesuch, i.e. no encrypted gubbins gets noted

[18:50:45]

jarle:

directhex: That will not solve my problem, as I have both encrypted channels that I can decrypt and channels I can not decrypt on the same source...

[18:51:11]

jarle:

directhex: besides that does not help with channels I can not LOCK to...

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juski:

jarle: well, can you lock to those channels outside of mythtv?

[19:01:18]

Yahooadam:

he wants a script that sets visible to 0 if the channel cant get lock

[19:01:29]

Yahooadam:

thats my understanding of the problem

[19:01:46]

jarle:

juski: I haven't tried, suggestions for auto-channel-scan setup outside myth are also welcome...

[19:02:04]

jarle:

Yahooadam: correct...

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juski:

so make a script parse a channels.conf file, then run tzap & wait 3 secs or so. if no lock from the output of tzap, kill tzap & move to the next channel

[19:02:29]

juski:

tzap/szap/czap

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jarle:

juski: and for channels I can't decrypt?

[19:03:44]

juski:

doesn't tzap work with a CAM ?

[19:04:12]

juski:

thing is you have to ask yourself why a scan is producing channels which don't lock

[19:04:46]

juski:

because all the channel info is on each transponder, and if a certain transponder didn't produce a lock there'd be no channel list for it

[19:05:22]

juski:

maybe the driver for the device is lying about the frequency it gets a lock on

[19:05:26]

juski:

some do that

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jarle:

juski: hmm.. that's strange...

[19:06:15]

jarle:

juski: I usually get at least a partial lock, maybe that enough for myth to accept the channel...

[19:06:39]

Yahooadam:

i know i get a problem with a few DVB-T channels, they are accepted by Mythtv but they just dont work

[19:06:42]

juski:

big question is what does kaffeine do?

[19:06:50]

Yahooadam:

like the picture destabilises all the time and the sound cuts out

[19:06:52]

directhex:

juski, stop you from sleeping

[19:07:06]

juski:

directhex: nah my conscience does that sometimes

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majost:

juski: That is true — but if the signal is weak or the alignment is not correct then some of the channels wont lock

[19:08:07]

majost:

also data channels usually wont lock

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juski:

BS. either the transport locks sometimes or it doesn't. individual channels can't be affected by signal strength

[19:08:41]

juski:

not with digital TV

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hednod:

anyone use mplayer for watching videos?

[19:08:57]

hednod:

works when i use it but, does not accept input from keyboard so i can't control video

[19:09:03]

hednod:

mplayer works fine standalone though

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juski:

hednod: not using a window manager eh?

[19:09:18]

hednod:

actualy no, turned it off to test

[19:09:28]

juski:

hednod: mythfrontend is keeping focus which you don't want it to do

[19:09:34]

hednod:

i'll jam in fvwm

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jarle:

hednod: I do..

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Yahooadam:

why can linux do user friendly errors

[19:22:17]

Yahooadam:

Decoder error. DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5. = "Could not find file to play"

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Yahooadam:

cant #

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gbee:

been meaning to fix that

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juski:

cos it's linux!

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zntneo:

because yaho, that woudl be too user friendly and we don't want htat

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gbee:

and it's not linux, it's short-sighted developers

[19:23:10]

Yahooadam:

wouldnt want normal people to start using myth, then what would we use :p

[19:23:24]

juski:

maybe it should say "Hey! Why did you point mythmusic at a location where the music doesn't exist?"

[19:23:38]

Yahooadam:

beacause i thought the setting was stored in the database ?

[19:23:49]

Yahooadam:

therefore re-installing ubuntu shouldnt have lost the setting

[19:23:50]

juski:

"you retard! go to #mythtv-users to have your botty spanked"

[19:23:57]

jarle:

gbee: is that a known bug? I just got this error today and haven't had time to look at it, it was working just fine yesterday befor I ran an upgrade of mythtv...

[19:24:02]

gbee:

but then we all struggle at times to come up with the right language for errors etc, they need to be concise but convey enough information for users and debuggers at the same time

[19:24:17]

juski:

Yahooadam: don't ever bank on database settings being kept when you _uninstall_ packages

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gbee:

jarle: sorry, which error? the one quoted by Yahooadam?

[19:24:49]

jarle:

gbee: yeah...

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juski:

btw I keep seeing mythfrontend lock up when I ffw/rew past an aspect ratio change

[19:25:11]

juski:

can't find anything anywhere about it

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gbee:

not a bug, at least not one I know – just a badly worded error meaning that it can't find the mp3 in the location it should be

[19:25:51]

gbee:

or a permissions error on that same file

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juski:

either way it just means myth can't read it

[19:26:45]

juski:

I mean sure myth could do a bit of digging & see what the problem is.. but at this stage a user is supposed to have a slight clue what they're doing ;)

[19:26:47]

jarle:

gbee: ok, that was the way I read the error, was just curious if I had missed something when this error was quoted here..

[19:27:52]

gbee:

juski: it probably could and I intend on fixing that exact error message because I regularly see it (laptop fails to mount the NFS drive on startup)

[19:28:15]

** juski digs a bit more to find out about the aspect ratio seek problem **

[19:28:49]

gbee:

the bigger issue is the time and pain caused by performing those extra checks on every single file that is accessed by mythtv – lot of work for a minor issue

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juski:

aye

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juski:

maybe one day rejiggling the database would help

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gbee:

at some time in the future someone might create a central file access class which would handle all that

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juski:

I like the idea of metadata tags for mythvideo

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directhex:

i like the idea of free beer

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hednod:

someone say free beer?

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Yahooadam:

hednod has that on nickbeep :p

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Yahooadam:

im just saying, why should you have to google to decode the error message

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directhex:

Yahooadam, patches accepted

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Yahooadam:

could the error not say "Could not find File to open (Mad Error 5)"

[19:36:30]

Yahooadam:

i possibly could, but then u would need localisation files, and stuff aswell wouldnt u ?

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directhex:

pfft, screw for'ners

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joyzlin:

could someone familiar with multirec please help me resolve a simple schedule conflict? The multirec should have avoided the conflict so I must have something set up incorrectly, perhaps the input groups or something?

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directhex:

anyway, windows doesn't do user-friendly error messages

[19:37:23]

directhex:

it does user-useless error messages

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Yahooadam:

windows can be as bad

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Yahooadam:

usually its "Your Computer Crashed, Submit an Error report?"

[19:37:52]

Yahooadam:

"Thanks"

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directhex:

as per the HCI guidelines, windows errors mustn't explain the problem. people accept "error!" more than "error with foo"

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gbee:

why does the trac spam get assigned to me?

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directhex:

gbee, you're what's known as "the gimp"

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Yahooadam:

trac hates you ?

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jarle:

juski: What about metadata for mythvideo?

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gbee:

there are times when a trout just doesn't seem enough

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directhex:

herring?

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directhex:

hallibut?

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directhex:

killifish!

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directhex:

cutlassfish!

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gbee:

something barbed or with poisonous spines, possibly both

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jarle:

How can I "record this show any time on any channel, but only if this show is not already recording on another channel"?

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jedix:

I think it does that by default

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jedix:

you just have to tell it to look for duplicates based on subtitles

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TheAsp:

Is there a way to stop mythbackend from making files with a mode of 0777?

[20:02:50]

hadees:

has anyone had a problem with hdtv recordings and what I think is the seek table? Sometimes when recording an hdtv show using QAM there is a point in the show where I can't fast forward or skip commercials, etc. If I just let it play then everything is fine though. I thought it was an error in my seek table but after fixing the database that doesn't seem to have helped

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jarle:

jedix: not all shows are very good at including subtitles..

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jedix:

jarle: shrug, that's about all I know

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gbee:

jarle: mythtv needs some unique identifier, it will accept subtitle, description or program id – or a combination of those but otherwise it is unable to tell that the other showing is a repeat

[20:04:18]

hadees:

i'm not even sure how to go about submitting an error about this. I guess the video would be the best evidence but since hdtv shows are so big that doesn't seem practical

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Michael_V:

The Turtle Beach card works perfectly by the way (in case anyone else is looking for a nice card)

[20:04:59]

Michael_V:

I should have bought it from the beginning

[20:05:06]

jedix:

hadees: sounds like an index table error

[20:05:08]

gbee:

jarle: if it's not a series e.g. a film, then use "record one showing of this title", if it's only shown once per week then try "record one showing per week" etc

[20:05:13]

jarle:

jedix: I have the same episode of cops running simultainously at to different channels, they are both recorded... a bit of a waste....

[20:05:16]

Michael_V:

All I had to do was run alsamixer to enable spdif output

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gbee:

hadees: what version are you using?

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hadees:

jedix, thats what i meant, not seek, but the table seems fine when i run the normal mysql checks on it, and the problem is only with hdtv

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jedix:

jarle: see gbee's statement

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jarle:

gbee: I'm looking for something like, "if this recording rule is active, do not let another recording of this rule start"

[20:06:25]

gbee:

it's not worth reporting unless you know the bug exists in trunk (development version) – in which case you could start with "-v playback" logs

[20:06:27]

mattb:

what units is the freqid column of the channel table in?

[20:06:43]

hadees:

gbee, 20.2

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jedix:

hadees: the seek table of a recording is in the file, not in sql.. try running mplayer, and seeking to around the problem and see what it says in the terminal

[20:07:20]

jarle:

gbee: I could always say "record only on this channel", but that is not a very good solution..

[20:08:04]

hadees:

the problem always starts with what looks like an error in the stream or something because i can see the big pixels if you know what i mean

[20:08:10]

hadees:

not sure what to call that

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gbee:

jarle: doesn't currently exist, sorry – there might be an argument for adding that functionality but I suggest discussing it on the -dev list once you've ruled out any other solutions

[20:08:34]

jedix:

hadees: I think it;s called artifacting, but I'm not sure either

[20:09:02]

jarle:

gbee: I might solve it using a advanced search.. I'll have a look...

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hadees:

how do you find the actual file name for the recording

[20:09:20]

hadees:

do i have to go into the database?

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gbee:

hadees: hdtv playback has had many improvements and changes in trunk, can't say that your particular problem has been solved, but you would probably be asked to try trunk first before any bug report would be considered

[20:11:05]

moosyblog:

filenames, do the following:

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moosyblog:

mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e 'SELECT title, basename, starttime, commflagged FROM `recorded` ';

[20:11:40]

hadees:

gbee, i tried using trunk and had some other problems but that was a while ago, i guess i can try again

[20:12:01]

hadees:

does anyone know of svn ebuilds for mythtv?

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hadees:

i lost track of mine when i decided to go with stable

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directhex:

gbee, threaded decoding of h264's been merged in then?

[20:13:29]

GreyFoxx:

directhex: Nope

[20:15:47]

gbee:

directhex: not yet, but in the year since 0.20 a lot has changed including a couple of other ffmpeg merges, recorder changes, bug fixes etc

[20:16:17]

directhex:

so, when's 1.0 due? \o/

[20:16:30]

GreyFoxx:

heh never ::)

[20:16:49]

GreyFoxx:

1.0 is a marketing/sales droid concept :)

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GreyFoxx:

software is never REALLY finished :)

[20:17:12]

directhex:

sure it is! windows vista is definitely worth a 6.0 version number!

[20:17:18]

TheAsp:

when is 1.999 due? :)

[20:17:24]

GreyFoxx:

6.0 out of 10 ? :)

[20:18:01]

GreyFoxx:

Once some more testing of the auto discovery stuff is done

[20:18:16]

GreyFoxx:

another ffmpeg sync

[20:18:20]

GreyFoxx:

and maybe multirec

[20:18:22]

gbee:

if we were working towards some fixed deadline or set of goals then we might one day release 1.0, but no such thing exists for mythtv

[20:18:23]

TheAsp:

vista reminds me of windows me

[20:18:23]

GreyFoxx:

then bake

[20:18:48]

GreyFoxx:

TheAsp: It does have that shaky feeling doesn;'t it ?

[20:18:48]

directhex:

vista's my favourite windows!

[20:19:23]

directhex:

it's not *ready* imho, but neither is most of the software i run

[20:19:39]

TheAsp:

i think there will be a new windows soonish

[20:19:43]

TheAsp:

a year or two

[20:19:58]

jduggan:

erm

[20:20:00]

TheAsp:

the worst part is they cut all the cool stuff that was supposed to be in it

[20:20:00]

jduggan:

youre kidding right

[20:20:05]

jduggan:

mebbe an sp ;]

[20:20:21]

GreyFoxx:

Most companies I know have no plans to leave XP

[20:20:24]

directhex:

well, 95 versus 98?

[20:20:26]

gbee:

directhex: you are either being sarcastic or you'd be the first person to actually like Vista (over XP)

[20:20:27]

GreyFoxx:

there is no reall draw for them in XP

[20:20:30]

GreyFoxx:

err in vista

[20:20:32]

directhex:

98se? me? they were all released in quick succession

[20:20:55]

directhex:

gbee, no, i eally like some of the changed – mostly the things everyone else hates, like permissions that do the job properly

[20:20:55]

TheAsp:

just imagine how bad the stuff that was cut is, since even they called it not done

[20:21:20]

jduggan:

nod @ GreyFoxx.. and to back that up microsoft have just extended sales for XP

[20:21:36]

gbee:

they cut so many planned features from "Longhorn" aka Vista that it's not even funny, it's not even close to what they originally promised

[20:22:10]

directhex:

i find the searcin in vista to be much more useful than, e.g. beagle

[20:22:18]

TheAsp:

they should just make a microsft desktop environment for linux or something :)

[20:22:39]

TheAsp:

directhex: i don't think beagle is supposed to be considered finished

[20:22:52]

directhex:

neither is myth, but you're usin' it!

[20:23:10]

TheAsp:

0.20 sounds like a finished version number to me :)

[20:23:24]

gbee:

directhex: well I can't really comment since I no longer use Windows at all, linux does everything I want these days and I was able to say goodbye to Windows without any second thoughts

[20:23:46]

TheAsp:

i think there should be a s/0.20/20/ on myth and get it over with

[20:23:46]

directhex:

gbee, i need to be able to support the masses, so i need to keep up to date on windows technologies

[20:23:53]

directhex:

gbee, that and i run a few windows-only games

[20:24:08]

directhex:

TheAsp, you'd end up with silly version numbers like PAM

[20:24:12]

gbee:

directhex: I just convert people to linux ;)

[20:24:24]

TheAsp:

directhex: i was thinking more like emacs

[20:24:41]

gbee:

0.20 is rubbish :p

[20:24:45]

directhex:

TheAsp, well myth has a similar release schedule...

[20:24:50]

directhex:

TheAsp, and e17 too!

[20:25:08]

gbee:

compared to the future 0.21 ;) but that's nothing compared to 0.22 or 0.23

[20:25:32]

directhex:

i hear 0.23 is gonna be a terrible release, everyone will look back on it and say "remember 0.23? hahahahaha!"

[20:25:48]

TheAsp:

you mean 23

[20:27:23]

directhex:

the thing to remember is people ae terrified of change. that's the problem with trying to shunt them onto linux – change overload

[20:27:53]

directhex:

moving them onto FF and OOo on windows first is a good start, since they have the same apps they're comfortable with on linux as on windows

[20:28:44]

TheAsp:

i dont want windows people using linux

[20:28:59]

directhex:

my precious!

[20:29:10]

Tronic__:

I cannot really recommend Linux, as it is too unstable.

[20:29:13]

gbee:

TheAsp: heh, they wouldn't be Windows people once they were running linux ;)

[20:29:19]

Tronic__:

(in the meaning of "crashes a lot")

[20:29:27]

gbee:

Tronic__: wtf??

[20:29:37]

Tronic__:

The kernel is way too buggy nowadays :/

[20:29:42]

directhex:

gbee, well mythfrontend DOES die a lot

[20:29:55]

TheAsp:

Tronic__: thats a load

[20:30:14]

Tronic__:

There's always a driver OOPSing or just otherwise hanging and raising system loads. Things like this eventually require reboot, even if they don't instantly crash the machine.

[20:30:16]

gbee:

directhex: that's hardly representative of linux as a whole (and have you reported those segfaults?) ;)

[20:30:34]

Tronic__:

With Linux it is not possible to recover from these driver bugs unless the driver itself sorts it out.

[20:30:36]

directhex:

gbee, sure. "mythtv crashes when using mythmusic" "well duh, mythmusic blows!" ;)

[20:30:42]

** juski has given up looking for reports of the aspect ratio switching problem **

[20:31:11]

juski:

all this ducking whining is more than enough incentive to stop developing, if all y'all are gonna do is whinge

[20:31:23]

gbee:

Tronic__: can't remember the last kernel oops/hang/crash I saw, it would have to be at least 18 months and I'm running half a dozen linux machines with the latest kernels

[20:31:27]

Tronic__:

And then, of course, MythTV is probably the most unstable program that I have on my system. I don't take it as anything representative of Linux systems as a whole, though.

[20:31:30]

juski:

thank duck not all users do though. silent majorities ftw!

[20:31:34]

directhex:

gbee, try a system with a sky2 card in it

[20:31:48]

gbee:

directhex: I've fixed a bunch of mythmusic segfaults

[20:31:55]

directhex:

gbee, which is a fair number of motherboards these days

[20:32:06]

juski:

"hey, this software I've never lifted a finger for, or paid for.. sucks". no right to complain. NONE

[20:32:11]

TheAsp:

Tronic__: i take care of 50 workstations and about as many servers... they only problems i have for stability are on crappy hardware

[20:32:19]

TheAsp:

pny should not be allowed to make nvidia cards

[20:32:24]

Tronic__:

gbee: Try unplugging USB DVB device while it is use. Try unplugging network cable while you use files over a smbfs or cifs mount (they have partially fixed this already, but it still hangs sometimes).

[20:32:34]

BULLE:

directhex: my sky2 works like a dream! ( but i think i already told you that )

[20:32:43]

directhex:

BULLE, depends on the people implementing it

[20:32:44]

juski:

as for kernel drivers, people work damn hard on them. if it weren't for them we wouldn't be able to get anything working – ever

[20:32:48]

gbee:

juski: I'm loving this sudden "mythtv is unstable" theme – where are the f'ing bug reports?

[20:32:49]

TheAsp:

Tronic__: Woah.... what do you expect to happen when you unplug stuff in use?

[20:32:57]

BULLE:

directhex: gigabyte 965 something DS4 rev 1.0

[20:32:57]

Tronic__:

Try killing a program that was using one of those resources. Or try unmounting the resource (with -f).

[20:33:08]

** juski looks at his calendar. **

[20:33:13]

juski:

AHH! it's troll night

[20:33:14]

directhex:

BULLE, my mac at work uses sky2 and is fine. my asus at home is junk with i. someone else in here had a junk abit with it

[20:33:21]

TheAsp:

juski: yeah, must be

[20:33:28]

TheAsp:

i think ill find something else to do :)

[20:33:29]

Tronic__:

TheAsp: I expect the kernel to return I/O errors to all programs using the device, and to be able to unload the driver or unmount the filesystem (with -f) just fine.

[20:33:43]

juski:

any Uk users record The Simpsons from Channel 4 here?

[20:33:49]

BULLE:

Tronic__: its not linux fault if you mount remote filesystems with hardfailure set instead of softfailure

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Tronic__:

TheAsp: I do not except my system loads to raise by one every time a program touches a resource in this situation.

[20:34:03]

TheAsp:

Tronic__: perhaps you should read a manual or two

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directhex:

gbee, they get reported, and fixed in trunk. with a ~annual release, that's a rather long period of time when things are busted for most users

[20:34:05]

juski:

chances are I'm using a version which is too old anyway, but you never know

[20:34:17]

Tronic__:

BULLE: It is. Linux should be fault-resistant, but it is not.

[20:34:33]

BULLE:

Tronic__: fuck sake, linux does what you tell it to

[20:34:48]

Tronic__:

An operating system kernel must be able to cope with I/O resources failing, as that happens all the time. Windows does that just fine (Explorer doesn't, but that's another story).

[20:34:54]

juski:

oh ffs get a grip people. you don't PAY for linux or the majority of its apps. Like windows never crashes irrecoverably

[20:34:57]

BULLE:

Tronic__: you clearly have hardfailure set, so linux handles it appropriately

[20:35:11]

BULLE:

Tronic__: or, alter it to softfailure, and get the behaviour you want

[20:35:30]

juski:

Tronic__: the whole reason I ended up using linux was because the windows drivers for my tuner card hard-locked the box regularly

[20:35:33]

BULLE:

Tronic__: its not linux fault that you configure the computer in a way you dont like, thats your fault

[20:35:43]

Tronic__:

BULLE: The problem is that it is not possible to handle these errors.

[20:35:48]

Tronic__:

The kernel will just hang.

[20:35:56]

juski:

same hardware is still running mythtv to this day :)

[20:36:11]

TheAsp:

Tronic__: you know you can mount them so that it will do what you describe, do you not?

[20:36:22]

juski:

Tronic__: if people like you don't report the problems then how the duck do you expect them to get fixed?

[20:36:25]

Tronic__:

On Windows you can always kill the process that has got hung (sometimes you have to kill Dr. Watson – the crash dialog application – first, though).

[20:36:39]

BULLE:

Tronic__: fuck sake, the default is hardfailure, it does what you told it to, fail hard

[20:36:40]

TheAsp:

Tronic__: that is the soft option (atleast for nfs)

[20:36:40]

gbee:

directhex: releases are not normally a year apart and segfaults get fixed in -fixes

[20:36:43]

Tronic__:

juski: I do report them, but they still don't get fixed.

[20:36:46]

BULLE:

Tronic__: just set it to softfailure

[20:36:48]

juski:

screw it. it's easier to put people on ignore

[20:36:52]

BULLE:

Tronic__: and it wont lock, but report io errors

[20:36:57]

Tronic__:

juski: Google for my messages to samba-devel, linux-kernel, etc.

[20:36:58]

BULLE:

Tronic__: how hard can it be to read the documentation ?

[20:37:04]

** BULLE gives up and goes to watch tv **

[20:37:05]

gbee:

brb, kitten has brought in a mouse and I need to get it from her

[20:37:11]

TheAsp:

BULLE: whats on? :)

[20:37:14]

directhex:

hmph. dying pet. not good

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Tronic__:

BULLE: How can you set it to soft failure? Works for NFS (I guess), but not for the mentioned resources.

[20:37:38]

juski:

I think sod this for a game of soldiers. got TV to watch & a doggy to pet

[20:37:51]

juski:

y'all grow up now, y'hear

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BULLE:

Tronic__: for fucks sake, read the cifs manpage!

[20:39:13]

BULLE:

Tronic__: man mount.cifs

[20:39:16]

BULLE:

Tronic__: how hard can it be ?

[20:39:32]

BULLE:

Tronic__: you want me to cut and paste the releveant sections of the manpage ?

[20:40:02]

Tronic__:

BULLE: Also, even if you can do that, it (NFS) will still take a long time to timeout and until that you cannot interrupt the operation. If the kernel was designed properly, you could just force termination of any I/O instantly and there probably wouldn't be any blocking I/O operations inside the kernel in the first place (these can be done in userspace just fine, just using a generic sleep/signal facility from the ...

[20:40:08]

Tronic__:

... kernel).

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BULLE:

Tronic__: its perfectly doable with cifs aswell as nfs

[20:40:44]

BULLE:

Tronic__: and if you dont like the timeout values, alter them to what you like

[20:40:54]

TheAsp:

Tronic__: how the hell do you expect to implement a network filesystem without using a timeout to determine if it's still up?

[20:41:05]

Tronic__:

TheAsp: You are missing my point.

[20:41:11]

TheAsp:

no, you are trolling

[20:41:19]

Tronic__:

TheAsp: My point is that the user should be able to interrupt the operation during the timeout.

[20:41:20]

TheAsp:

and i stupidly responded

[20:41:30]

Tronic__:

TheAsp: Not that there should be no timeout.

[20:41:51]

Tronic__:

(yeah, I guess that all critique of Linux must always be trolling *sigh*)

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BULLE:

Tronic__: no it must not be, but its pretty obvious you are trolling when you start ranting about hard/soft failure, and a quick "man mount.cifs" gives you all the appropriate settings to alter the behaviour to your liking

[20:43:30]

BULLE:

Tronic__: after that, why would i listen to you ? you clearly havent even investigated the issues you are complaining about

[20:44:02]

Tronic__:

BULLE: The CIFS mount default to soft failures, yet I am still seeing the problem.

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Tronic__:

Even if they eventually ironed out all the bugs that cause it to lock up (I admit that there are a lot less now than there were a couple of years back), it still cannot be interrupted during I/O. You have to wait until timeout.

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directhex:

that does drive me up the wall

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gbee:

gonna get more work done if I'm not arguing in here

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sphery:

gnome42: lol about your comment about "get the sources and fix it yourself" thread. I'm just amazed at how well I do at starting arguments on -users list. In the real world, people know to just ignore me. :)

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** directhex gets the sources, fixes himself where the code isn't vile **

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laga:

i'm getting "Using NV NPOT texture extension" on a non-nvidia card. is this normal?

[21:01:51]

sphery:

doesn't sound normal. :)

[21:02:10]

directhex:

does glxinfo say you have GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two ?

[21:02:42]

laga:

wait a second

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sphery:

laga: That message is displayed if (extensions.contains("GL_NV_texture_rectangle"))

[21:02:55]

sphery:

Looks like you have old NV drivers/GL installed

[21:04:38]

laga:

no, i'm using a combined ati/nvidia system with some magic to make it load the correct libgl libs. i'm afraid that's not working.

[21:04:59]

laga:

mythtv/X keeps crashing.

[21:05:15]

sphery:

Oh. Bad magic. Good luck with it.

[21:06:46]

laga:

yes.

[21:06:54]

laga:

thanks.

[21:07:03]

laga:

this used to work better..

[21:07:10]

AndyCap:

isn't that like oil and water?

[21:07:36]

laga:

in theory, it should be easily doable.

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laga:

directhex: no, i don't have that

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AndyCap:

laga: that was before fglrx and nvidia had their say. :P

[21:10:12]

laga:

well, glxconfig looks sane, though. no nvidia in there.

[21:10:23]

laga:

AndyCap: i#m using the free ATI driver :)

[21:11:15]

sphery:

laga: Using the new R500/R600 driver released post-spec release?

[21:11:26]

sphery:

Or the "old-fashioned" free driver?

[21:11:26]

laga:

no, r200. radeon 9250 PCI

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AndyCap:

laga: ah. ok. :)

[21:12:40]

sphery:

Cool. I've been wondering what people think of the new one that Novell put out there. Just watching 'til time to switch from NV to ATI. :)

[21:13:00]

laga:

no 3d, no money.

[21:15:02]

laga:

ok, just set "noaccel" to "true". maybe that#s gonna help

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laga:

i'm also gonna switch to the qt paint engine.. after the movie is finished

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hilikus_:

hi guys

[21:20:32]

hilikus_:

im trying to setup my tv listings using data direct which is suppesed to be free, i registered but there is no username, you use your email, how do i find my username?

[21:21:35]

AndyCap:

hilikus_: afaik, it's history.

[21:21:40]

directhex:

hilikus_, sorry, ancient news

[21:21:43]

AndyCap:

hilikus_: as of september.

[21:21:44]

hilikus_:

really?

[21:21:51]

directhex:

hilikus_, datadirect (zap2it labs) stopped their free service

[21:21:58]

hilikus_:

so whats a good replacement for canadian listings?

[21:22:12]

hilikus_:

good implies free

[21:22:19]

directhex:

you can't have both

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hilikus_:

why not?

[21:23:24]

directhex:

because the listings don't come out of nowhere, and the people who license them don't feel like giving them out for free

[21:23:26]

AndyCap:

hilikus_: nobody offering free, good data currently

[21:23:34]

hilikus_:

i see

[21:23:37]

directhex:

so either you screen-scrape (which is slow & unreliable) or you pay

[21:23:43]

directhex:

welcome to capitalism!

[21:23:57]

hilikus_:

i guess ill have to use my cable provider's listings

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hilikus_:

EIT

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AndyCap:

that's an option if you have it

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directhex:

functional dvb-c? :o

[21:28:08]

|Torg|:

hilikus_: I don't know what you have for EIT but chances are its only 3 days worth. A pain in the ass for sceduling

[21:28:27]

|Torg|:

also if you have EIT set your box will aways be scanning for EIT, it never really stops

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directhex:

|Torg|, canadians, eh, only get 3 days?

[21:28:38]

|Torg|:

its much much much easier to simply pay for it

[21:29:16]

|Torg|:

yes directhex almost every provider only provides 3 days or so in the TS

[21:29:27]

|Torg|:

the ones that have more have specfic TSs for it for long term EIT

[21:29:44]

directhex:

lameness. i like 14-day EIT. it's easy to set up

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|Torg|:

unless you counf $20 as being too expensive

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|Torg|:

https://www.schedulesdirect.org/signup

[21:33:54]

hilikus_:

of course it is

[21:34:06]

AndyCap:

why is it?

[21:34:08]

hilikus_:

i pay 40 bucks for tv already

[21:34:31]

hilikus_:

and i have to watch stupid commercials on top of that

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AndyCap:

hilikus_: do they provide you with a week long listing?

[21:34:47]

hilikus_:

no

[21:34:56]

AndyCap:

hilikus_: so maybe you should complain to them?

[21:35:02]

hilikus_:

yep

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|Torg|:

make sure you mention to them you have setup a PVR and want to use EIT for it

[21:35:39]

hadees:

I wish scheduelsdirect would give more then 2 weeks ahead of time, i believe the service they are getting it from has info for at least a month before things air

[21:36:05]

hadees:

but i guess that might cost more

[21:36:10]

|Torg|:

hadees where do you think schedulesdirect gets the info from?

[21:36:27]

|Torg|:

how often do you think a station puts out schdules? and how long do they put them out for?

[21:36:30]

hadees:

zap2it or zap2it's parent company

[21:36:34]

|Torg|:

how often do those scedules change?

[21:36:35]

hadees:

i forgot their name

[21:36:43]

|Torg|:

Tibune Media Services

[21:36:58]

|Torg|:

sorry Tribune

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hadees:

|Torg|, well when i looked into it Tribune offered a month ahead of time

[21:37:16]

|Torg|:

same peole who provice listings to your newspaper

[21:37:31]

hadees:

i am not sure how often the data changes

[21:37:37]

|Torg|:

schdeulsdirect only give you what TMS gives them

[21:38:09]

hadees:

yeah but i think that is because 2 weeks is the cheapest

[21:39:15]

|Torg|:

so you suspect schedulesdirect to be making money off this and getting the cheapest thing they can buy to sell it to you at a larger margin?

[21:39:19]

hadees:

the only reason i really want a month is because i always hear about shows that are more then two weeks away but i can't set them up for recording unless i do a custom recording

[21:39:39]

|Torg|:

umm just wait

[21:39:52]

hadees:

i do but sometimes i forget

[21:40:06]

hadees:

|Torg|, no schedules direct is making zero money

[21:40:36]

|Torg|:

where would you like to get this 30 day schedule from?

[21:40:39]

hilikus_:

hey guys, when i try to run the frontend it tells me it cant connect to the backend, what can i do to troubleshoot that?

[21:40:56]

|Torg|:

hilikus_: look at the logs, it will tell you

[21:41:00]

hadees:

|Torg|, any place that will work with mythtv

[21:41:04]

hilikus_:

where are they?

[21:41:08]

hadees:

that would be schedules direct

[21:41:15]

hadees:

but they don't offer a month

[21:41:26]

|Torg|:

they dont HAVE a month

[21:42:07]

hadees:

|Torg|, i know that, but i don't think it is because they can't it is because they want to keep the price down

[21:42:15]

hadees:

which i understand

[21:42:20]

hadees:

just which there were more options

[21:42:24]

hadees:

wish

[21:42:27]

|Torg|:

when xris shows up, ask him

[21:43:26]

hadees:

i mean it isn't a huge problem but if i could pay more for a months worth of schedules i would

[21:44:02]

hadees:

well with in reason, i'm not going to buy a TMS contract myself =)

[21:44:13]

AndyCap:

I think finding someone who actually have the data is the real problem

[21:44:29]

hadees:

I am pretty sure Tribune has it

[21:44:39]

directhex:

i wouldn't trust data that far in advance

[21:44:42]

AndyCap:

hadees: based on what?

[21:45:20]

hadees:

AndyCap, I looked into it a while ago

[21:45:56]

hadees:

this was before that other commercial mythtv project went broke.

[21:45:56]

|Torg|:

Im pretty sure TMS dosnt, at least if they HAD it they dont advertise they do and there isnt a listing for it in their products

[21:46:19]

|Torg|:

zap2it, run by them (ok its a seperate company) also only has 14 days

[21:46:37]

|Torg|:

the origional DD scripts could only aquire 14 ays

[21:46:44]

|Torg|:

so Im sorta wondering why you think thye have 30?

[21:46:53]

hilikus_:

how do i flush the logs in the backend??

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hilikus_:

its showing info from like 1 hour ago

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AndyCap:

hilikus_: so is it actually running?

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hilikus_:

damn it, you might be right

[21:50:07]

hilikus_:

i assumed launching the config would start it at the end

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hadees:

|Torg|, http://www.tms.tribune.com/products/j1-data-tvsched.html

[21:51:02]

hadees:

"TMS offers fourteen, twenty-eight and thirty-five daylong cycles."

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|Torg|:

ok, call them and ask for a subscrition

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|Torg|:

like directhex I barly trust 14 days and use EIT to scrub it anyway

[21:52:30]

hadees:

lol, like i said i can't afford it alone, those data contracts can't be cheap

[21:52:55]

|Torg|:

ask them for whomever buys the data so you can buy it from them

[21:52:57]

fryfrog:

maybe you could pose that as a suggestion for the new schedules direct

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|Torg|:

but hey 20 is begger then 14 so its got to be better

[21:54:04]

fryfrog:

SD is 20 days?

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|Torg|:

14, sorry I meant 30 :P

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Kazan:

solid state harddrive joygasm

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Kazan:

640GB Fusion ioDrive

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majost:

I am having issues with the asx streaming from trunk

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majost:

simply that it is not streaming

[22:11:56]

majost:

I tried adding the LocationMatch stuff to my apache config

[22:12:01]

majost:

as well as the .htaccess

[22:12:45]

majost:

and just using the mythweb.conf.apache file in /etc/apache2/conf.d/

[22:13:03]

majost:

but in each case I have been unsuccessful.

[22:16:00]

majost:

with the mythweb.conf.apache file

[22:16:07]

majost:

I get the following error:

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majost:

<LocationMatch not allowed here

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majost:

when I try to start apache

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ShockValue:

well, after about 4 months of bitching, my local comcast has fixed about half of the OTA channels

[22:20:06]

ShockValue:

OTA HD that is.

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amadeux:

dudes!

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laga:

guys!

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amadeux:

can I play hardware accelerated HD video on linux/mythtv?

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Tanthrix:

MPEG2 yes. Anything else, no.

[23:02:52]

amadeux:

dang

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Tanthrix:

Via XvMC.

[23:03:04]

amadeux:

no H.264 or VC-1?

[23:03:15]

Tanthrix:

Nope. Nadda. Zilch.

[23:03:20]

amadeux:

dang

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amadeux:

so basically to play HD on linux, you need a very powerful cpu

[23:03:51]

Tanthrix:

Well, it depends.

[23:04:09]

Tanthrix:

I can do 720 x264 on my E4400 (around $120?) without issues.

[23:04:33]

Tanthrix:

And I'm pretty sure 1080P x264 (at least, some of it) will do nicely when some multi-threaded linux decoders come out

[23:05:23]

|Torg|:

I do 1080I h242 with about 50% of one 3GHz core

[23:05:26]

Tanthrix:

VC-1 is less intensive, and I've done 1080P VC-1 with my system before, though YMMV. Different compression ratios and stuff can make things easier or harder.

[23:05:48]

amadeux:

yep

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amadeux:

but on windows you can have an athlon 64 1800 Mhz do the same thing with a $50 ATI HD2400 card, just because of the acceleration

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amadeux:

it takes the cpu usage from 100% (with skips) to 10% (no skips)

[23:07:06]

amadeux:

So nvidia and ati have not made drivers available for linux that supports this I guess

[23:07:15]

Tanthrix:

Unfortunately that (and purevideo) are very proprietary and have not been released.

[23:07:30]

amadeux:

fsck nvidia and ati! :-)

[23:07:33]

|Torg|:

closest you can get is XvMC

[23:08:27]

amadeux:

thanks anyway guys

[23:08:31]

kdubya:

did amd not open up the specificaions for video acceleration

[23:08:39]

kdubya:

or did they just do 3d

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|Torg|:

just chip registers

[23:09:44]

GreyFoxx:

that was like 5 days ago, and nothing about video acceleration yet

[23:09:49]

amadeux:

as I understand, open ATI drivers will come before christmas?

[23:09:57]

amadeux:

or am I dreaming?

[23:10:05]

kdubya:

well yeah of course not yet...

[23:10:12]

GreyFoxx:

they gave out a few hundred pages of registers mostly dealing with 2d operations

[23:10:17]

GreyFoxx:

but we'll see hwo that goes

[23:10:45]

|Torg|:

it falls under the Ill belive they exist when I see them catagory

[23:10:53]

amadeux:

yeah

[23:10:56]

|Torg|:

and befoer Christmas is when you shoul see them

[23:11:00]

|Torg|:

Crhistmas of 2025

[23:11:24]

amadeux:

heheh

[23:11:54]

amadeux:

looks like I will have to download windows media center from the pirate bay :)

[23:12:43]

kdubya:

do you need 1080p?

[23:12:46]

hadees:

does anyone know of any ebuilds that just download svn, in portage it looks like they just took snapshots

[23:12:48]

GreyFoxx:

please , no torrent talk in here

[23:12:56]

kdubya:

a cheap ass athlon x2 will play 720p

[23:14:43]

|Torg|:

my P4 will do some 1080 h246 as it is now

[23:14:45]

amadeux:

kdubya: well, I would like to be able to download everything from torrents and watch in on my (oldish 1800 Mhz athlon 64) media center

[23:14:59]

hadees:

GreyFoxx, do you think any kind of automated download process would never be accepted by Chutt? I watch a lot of http://revision3.com/ shows but in theory anything made to download them could be used for illegal purposes

[23:15:35]

GreyFoxx:

hadees: It would never be accepted

[23:15:48]

amadeux:

my projector is 1280x720, so that's enough for me. But if the movie I've downloaded is in 1920x1080, then it will still be hard to decode, even if it is later scaled down to 720

[23:16:01]

GreyFoxx:

Sure if it downloaded nbc shows directly from NBC who freely offers them it might be an option

[23:16:12]

GreyFoxx:

but it will never have a torrent client

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|Torg|:

amadeux: do you know what Google is what what it does?

[23:16:53]

amadeux:

is that a trick question?

[23:17:15]

hadees:

GreyFoxx, that would be cool, revision3 offers them as direct downloads and torrents

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|Torg|:

no, judign from what GreyFoxx told you, and you stil persist to do I take it yu dont

[23:17:21]

|Torg|:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/

[23:17:57]

amadeux:

|Torg|: what are you talking about?

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kdubya:

heh

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amadeux:

GreyFoxx: |Torg|: I didn't mean to talk about the torrent stuff. That's not what's important here. What's important is that I have a 1800 Mhz athlon 64 and I am thinking of buying a radeon hd2400 because it can offload hd decoding. I want it to be able to play everything I throw at it. So I was wondering if myth was capable of that, is all

[23:20:21]

amadeux:

and why do you post that link?

[23:20:49]

|Torg|:

to the bot? to show you everything you say here is logged, and indexed by google

[23:20:57]

GreyFoxx:

amadeux: there is no linux ati support for that sort of stuff, so no linux based app can do it

[23:20:58]

|Torg|:

or would you prefer googles cache of those logs?

[23:21:42]

GreyFoxx:

amadeux: at least not using hardware acceleration

[23:21:57]

GreyFoxx:

in general though if you are choosing a linux solution, you will likely want to avoid ati and go with nvidia

[23:22:00]

amadeux:

|Torg|: I know, it doesn't matter... Are you wearing a tinfoil hat? :-)

[23:22:14]

GreyFoxx:

nvidia is worlds ahead of ati in the linux world when it comes to installation and usability

[23:22:27]

amadeux:

GreyFoxx: Will that still be true on 6 months, I wonder? With AMD opening up specs and source etc.

[23:22:39]

majost:

If I am using EIT information for a select set of channels

[23:22:49]

GreyFoxx:

amadeux: it likely will still be true then

[23:22:54]

majost:

and the channels have an xmltvid associated with them

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amadeux:

GreyFoxx: yeah, but their low-end hd cards don't perform as well as ATI

[23:23:12]

GreyFoxx:

6months is not long, and the specs they released don;t cover hardware acceleration of video decoding

[23:23:13]

|Torg|:

majost: EIT dosnt use xmltvid

[23:23:15]

majost:

would there be any ill affects of me clearing the xmltvid from them?

[23:23:20]

majost:

thats what I though

[23:23:20]

majost:

t

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GreyFoxx:

amadeux: that's kind of irrelevant if the drivers don't support them :)

[23:23:47]

amadeux:

lol, true

[23:24:22]

amadeux:

but on the other hand, since neither nvidia nor ati seem to support accelerating hd on linux, I have to go with windows anyway. And on windows, atis drivers supports everything

[23:24:45]

AndyCap:

on a related note. does ati have cards with sdi out?

[23:25:25]

amadeux:

sdi?? is that thing still around?

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Michael_V:

I have MythTV set up for AC3/DTS passthrough which works fine when watching live TV, but DVDs are playing only in stereo.

[23:44:43]

Michael_V:

Is there a way to fix this?

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kdubya:

mplayer is better for DVDs in my opinion

[23:45:55]

kdubya:

but the OSD wont match

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Michael_V:

ah I'm using the internal player

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GreyFoxx:

ddoes mplayer now support DVD menus ?

[23:46:44]

Michael_V:

I don't think it does

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kdubya:

yeah i always forget people use those

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kdubya:

i cant get to the actual movie fast enough so i dont really care

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Michael_V:

surely there is a way to have the internal player passthrough properly?

[23:48:07]

hadees:

i like xine for dvds

[23:48:15]

hadees:

it does menus

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kdubya:

yeah thats probably a better choice

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GreyFoxx:

Michael_V: No AC3/DTS here so I've never tried. But I'd be very suprised if it couldn't do it

[23:48:53]

hadees:

the only thing i hate about xine is that every time i start it i see the window before it goes full screen

[23:49:07]

hadees:

screws up my nice smooth interface

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hadees:

seemless interface

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Michael_V:

If I look at the console I ran mythfrontend from, it has messages such that the AC3 codec is busy

[23:49:52]

Michael_V:

is that related?

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|Torg|:

do your DVDs have DTS on them?

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Michael_V:

not the ones I've tried so far

[23:50:33]

Michael_V:

they just say dolby digital

[23:50:44]

Michael_V:

and play fine with mplayer -ac hwac3 dvd://

[23:50:52]

Michael_V:

(it passes ac3 just fine)

[23:51:15]

Michael_V:

but in mythtv they are in stereo only

[23:51:26]

Michael_V:

and one time I didn't get sound at all for DVDs until I restarted mythtv

[23:51:38]

Michael_V:

yet the "watch live TV" works fine for passthrough

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|Torg|:

its under the playback setup, you have to turn passthough on

[23:52:12]

Michael_V:

I did that and it works for live TV

[23:52:16]

Michael_V:

unless there's another place I missed?

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|Torg|:

sme place, one for AC3 and another for DTS

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Michael_V:

I set both devices to ALSA:spdif with passthrough as ALSA:spdif { AES0 0x02 } and turned both passthroughs on

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Michael_V:

and disabled the internal volume control

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laga:

hey guys.

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|Torg|:

did you setup the default like I showed you before?

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laga:

is anyone in here using an ATI card with their free driver? i'm getting horrible UI performance with both the Qt and the opengl painter. it works fine however if i disable acceleration in the X server. any hints? :/

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jams:

hi laga

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laga:

hi jams

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Michael_V:

I have a different soundcard now

[23:55:08]

Michael_V:

the turtle beach riviera 5.1

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laga:

the ML has a lot of people with the same problem as me. hum.

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|Torg|:

regardless, you stil need a default

[23:55:27]

Michael_V:

It required absolutely no configuration besides alsamixer to turn spdif on

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Michael_V:

so I need a default for the internal DVD player but not live TV?

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|Torg|:

you need a default period

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Aval0n:

dang it I can not get channel 10 to show up on my mythtv

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Aval0n:

it works in windows on the other machine but not here

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Aval0n:

I tried all 3 cable frequencies

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Aval0n:

no dice

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