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| [00:01:03] | clever: | 521 works |
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| [00:05:47] | tank-man: | they don't want to sell to you |
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| [00:06:06] | clever: | yay |
| [00:06:16] | clever: | Anduin: bug is back |
| [00:06:34] | clever: | its the changeset 14522 |
| [00:07:17] | clever: | enless i wasnt testing tell on other nearby revisions but there was a clear spike in X's cpu usage on this rev |
| [00:07:55] | clever: | testing a larger file on 14522 |
| [00:08:20] | clever: | yep 14522 has the flickering and high Xserver cpu usage |
| [00:08:37] | clever: | Cpu(s): 49.2% us, 47.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.4% hi, 3.5% si |
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| [00:09:51] | Anduin: | clever: small changes really: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14522 |
| [00:10:00] | clever: | yeah i see that |
| [00:10:02] | clever: | 2007-09–26 19:09:17.092 VideoOutputXv: Chromakeying not possible with this XVideo port. |
| [00:10:25] | clever: | 2007-09–26 19:09:18.689 DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, No such file or directory |
| [00:10:31] | Anduin: | Yeah, that isn't the cause |
| [00:10:41] | clever: | 2007-09–26 19:09:17.064 VDP: SetVideoRender(xv-blit) == GetVideoRenderer() |
| [00:10:41] | clever: | X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 |
| [00:10:41] | clever: | Major opcode: 140 |
| [00:10:47] | clever: | 2007-09–26 19:09:16.992 VideoOutputXv: Grabbed xv port 257 |
| [00:11:25] | clever: | i can try 1 revision back to comfirm that its 522's changes |
| [00:12:38] | clever: | but this prooves that it wasnt the X server upgrade the os did at the same time |
| [00:12:39] | Anduin: | clever: You said above that 521 worked |
| [00:12:49] | clever: | yeah but it was a very short test file |
| [00:13:00] | clever: | just from the size it was small may have caused lower cpu usage's |
| [00:13:06] | clever: | making the test less acurate |
| [00:13:31] | clever: | was only about 30–40 seconds of video |
| [00:13:59] | clever: | now that im shure its in this area i can play a normal file for a few mins to get a definet answer |
| [00:15:52] | clever: | :S 521 has some OSD flicker |
| [00:16:07] | clever: | Cpu(s): 45.9% us, 40.9% sy, 9.7% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.3% hi, 3.3% si |
| [00:16:13] | clever: | and high system usage |
| [00:16:28] | clever: | test wasnt acurate |
| [00:16:36] | Anduin: | clever: There was a thread about OSD flicker on the ml (I didn't pay much attention to it |
| [00:16:50] | clever: | i cant get the mailing list shut off:P |
| [00:16:54] | clever: | but i dont read it much atm |
| [00:17:03] | clever: | i think the flicker is interlacing related |
| [00:17:13] | clever: | havent tryed to reproduce it on the crt |
| [00:19:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | Anduin, have you heard any reports about ff_imdct_calc_sse still being broken after your alignment fix a couple months ago? I swapped out my P4–1.8Ghz box for a different P4–2.6Ghz box and now am getting segfaults in that asm code unless I disable sse. |
| [00:19:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | this is with gcc v3.2.2 |
| [00:20:33] | clever: | retesting 520 |
| [00:23:00] | clever: | buggy |
| [00:23:34] | janneg: | Captain_Murdoch: ff_imdct_calc_sse needs aligned arguments. so it might be different buggy code. do you have a bt |
| [00:23:35] | clever: | retestng 512 |
| [00:24:05] | clever: | videoout_xv.cpp:60: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'int XShmQueryExtension(Display*)' in same scope |
| [00:24:06] | clever: | videoout_xv.cpp:61: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'int XShmGetEventBase(Display*)' in same scope |
| [00:24:13] | clever: | that might be related to my problems |
| [00:24:14] | janneg: | Captain_Murdoch: the calling code might be buggy and not the function itself |
| [00:24:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | janneg: can get one. gimme a minute and I'll pastebin one. |
| [00:25:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | actually, give me a couple. I need to revert a change I made. I tried using the latest fft_sse.c from ffmpeg svn and it still died. let me revert to our version. |
| [00:27:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | I tried the 3634_workaround.diff from that ticket, and it fixed it (obviously), but the audio was popping. |
| [00:27:41] | clever: | damnit |
| [00:27:48] | clever: | even 512 has the bug:P |
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| [00:30:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | janneg: here's the pastebin, but it looks like the stack got screwed up. http://www.pastebin.ca/716629 |
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| [00:33:57] | ** Captain_Murdoch also wonders where all the "QTime::fromString: Parameter out of range" messages are coming from lately. ** | |
| [00:34:30] | clever: | Captain_Murdoch: i get those mostly when mythweb touches the masterbe |
| [00:34:46] | janneg: | Captain_Murdoch: yes stack looks screwed, but the input is not aligned |
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| [00:35:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | clever: these are in mythfrontend. |
| [00:35:58] | clever: | odd |
| [00:36:02] | Tronic__: | I heard that MythTV would now support recording multiple channels from a mux simultaneusly, using just one tuner. Is this true? Can't find info about it in 0.21 release notes. |
| [00:36:17] | fatbas: | Hi, I have a Epia EX15000 with a DVB-S card. I have playback issue not related to the load. The video is very choppy with a 50% cpu usage (the XvMc do not work yet). I tried to load a mpeg2 Video on mplayer and i have a perfect video. I tried to load the same video in MythTv and the video is very choppy. What i did wrong ? |
| [00:36:31] | GreyFoxx: | Tronic__: There is a multirec branch with it |
| [00:36:34] | janneg: | Captain_Murdoch: what are you playing back? can you set a breakpoint at ff_imdct_calc_sse and bt before it segfaults |
| [00:36:35] | clever: | Tronic__: some1 in here awhile ago had several vlc's streaming several channels from a single box over ip(thru loopback) |
| [00:36:37] | GreyFoxx: | It's not in trunk yet |
| [00:36:43] | clever: | Tronic__: which then went back into mythtv |
| [00:36:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | janneg: I'm trying LiveTV with my hdhomerun box. |
| [00:37:00] | clever: | i think he had 8 channels recording at once |
| [00:37:06] | GreyFoxx: | clever: That was me :) |
| [00:37:06] | Tronic__: | GreyFoxx: Is it going to get merged back to mainline? |
| [00:37:11] | clever: | ahhh:) |
| [00:37:17] | clever: | old age makes my memory bad:P |
| [00:37:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | janneg: it plays for a few seconds, then faults. |
| [00:38:16] | Tronic__: | Hmm, it deals with the problem by showing more DVB cars than there actually are? |
| [00:38:34] | Tronic__: | (instead of modifying the program core to actually understand the situation) |
| [00:38:52] | clever: | i think the multirec branch is modifying the core to work 'properly' |
| [00:39:11] | janneg: | Captain_Murdoch: so it is probably mpeg2 video with ac3 audio |
| [00:39:14] | clever: | that hacked up method was probly just a test case to see if the hardware and stuff could handle it all |
| [00:39:26] | Tronic__: | Okay. |
| [00:39:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | janneg: yes. |
| [00:40:09] | clever: | ive checked about getting a cable box with firewire but it costs more |
| [00:40:19] | janneg: | Captain_Murdoch: that is the same behaviour as we have seen before the alignment fix |
| [00:40:27] | clever: | but we will be saving some in the cable bill when we return one of the spare tuners(that where renting) |
| [00:40:28] | Tronic__: | I hope that this will also speed up channel changes within a mux (should be instantaneus, filling the buffer from what has been received already). |
| [00:40:48] | clever: | might be able to shift that over if we turn 2 boxes in for a digital and posibly sitll have the bill lowering |
| [00:40:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | janneg: thought so, I was looking in the ticket and read Anduin's and your comments. |
| [00:40:57] | GreyFoxx: | Tronic__: I've always found changing between channels on the same mux to be almost instant |
| [00:41:20] | clever: | Tronic__: yeah if your partialy recording every channel in the mux you could buffer all of them at once |
| [00:41:27] | GreyFoxx: | but I don;t really use livetv on my system to test it regularly to say how it's been affected by the switch to the multirec branch |
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| [00:41:45] | clever: | i allmost never use livetv |
| [00:42:01] | clever: | mainly because its simpler to just set the tv itself to that channel |
| [00:42:16] | clever: | and my system cant handle recording and watching at once atm |
| [00:42:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | janneg: am I correct in the assumption that what tells you it is misaligned is the fact that those pointers are odd instead of even? (in1, in2, and input) |
| [00:42:29] | clever: | and the xv problem im working on would probly make it worse |
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| [00:42:54] | janneg: | Captain_Murdoch: I've skimmed over ac3dec.c and it looks as all imdct calls are with properly aligned data |
| [00:44:15] | janneg: | Captain_Murdoch: yes, they should be 16 byte aligned, i.e. the pointer should be divideable by 16 |
| [00:44:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah, ok, so should end in 0. |
| [00:44:50] | janneg: | s/divideable/divisible/ |
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| [00:45:34] | clever: | Captain_Murdoch: when view in hex |
| [00:45:42] | janneg: | yes |
| [00:45:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | clever: clever. yeah, I knew that. gdb gives you the hex values. :) |
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| [00:47:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | janneg: ok, thanks. I'll look around some. |
| [00:47:49] | clever: | if your running a 64bit linux you might want to patch up |
| [00:47:55] | clever: | [26 19:45:55] -Global- [SecretSquirrel] Linux x86_64 <2.6.22.7 Local root exploit http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/fulldis . . . losure/56301 — get yourselves patched |
| [00:48:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | compiling for i686 on a P4–2.6, so only x86_32 here. |
| [00:48:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | ah, nevermind. :) |
| [00:48:20] | clever: | looks like a bug in the 32bit emulation of 64bit kernels allows you to run your own code in kernel space |
| [00:48:45] | clever: | which can then do anything it wants to the system(changing your current uid to root would be easy) |
| [00:49:52] | clever: | damnit the bug in my playback is still there |
| [00:50:59] | clever: | even when backing up to 09/11/07: |
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| [00:51:14] | clever: | starting to suspect my X server again |
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| [00:53:13] | clever: | if 14450 still has the bug im giving up on backing mythtv up and will try the X server |
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| [00:53:47] | clever: | going so far back that im restoring old bugs that i know i had |
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| [01:05:03] | adante_: | er |
| [01:05:07] | adante_: | is there a way to force myth to cleanup files? |
| [01:05:22] | adante_: | my system has run out of space again because myth seems to have failed to cleanup |
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| [01:23:35] | GreyFoxx: | adante: failed to cleanup what ? It's not like myth uses space for anything but recordings |
| [01:23:42] | GreyFoxx: | or do you mean it didn't auto expire them ? |
| [01:24:04] | adante: | i did, but i think i'm wrong |
| [01:24:18] | adante: | there is some rogue process eating hdd space on my computer, can't figure out what it is :S |
| [01:24:40] | GreyFoxx: | du -xk /partitoonwithspaceused | sort -rn | less |
| [01:24:56] | GreyFoxx: | that wwill return the larges directories on /partitoonwithspaceused |
| [01:26:52] | clever[rev]: | ls -lShr(sort files in current folder by size and list) |
| [01:27:21] | clever[rev]: | whoa |
| [01:27:28] | clever[rev]: | the OSD flicker is worse on crt |
| [01:27:40] | clever[rev]: | the osd(and whole video) is jmuping up/down 1 row constantly |
| [01:27:56] | GreyFoxx: | You trying to use bob or something ? |
| [01:28:05] | clever[rev]: | same options as when it worked fine |
| [01:28:17] | clever[rev]: | enless something changed after a svn upgrade |
| [01:28:37] | clever[rev]: | 'video scan' is set to detect |
| [01:28:59] | clever[rev]: | much better when forced to progressive |
| [01:29:17] | clever[rev]: | DAMNIT |
| [01:29:20] | clever[rev]: | that fixes everything:P |
| [01:29:46] | clever[rev]: | testing it on the tv out |
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| [01:31:04] | clever[rev]: | lol that fixed it |
| [01:31:13] | clever[rev]: | now to undo all the rolling back i did to the damn source |
| [01:31:14] | clever[rev]: | and X server |
| [01:31:29] | clever[rev]: | and make it allways use progressive |
| [01:33:41] | clever[rev]: | ccache allready has the latest revisions so it shouldnt take long |
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| [01:57:57] | tremby: | do a mythtv backend and frontend have to be running the same mythtv versions or linux distros? |
| [01:58:17] | tremby: | i'd like to run a backend on my debian server and a frontend on a ubuntu box |
| [01:58:26] | tremby: | or possibly fedora — haven't decided |
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| [02:02:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | tremby, they have to be the same Myth protocol and DB version. you should be able to get Myth v0.20.2 versions for most distributions now so if you can do that you're OK running different distributions. |
| [02:03:07] | tremby: | Captain_Murdoch: great, thanks |
| [02:04:06] | fatbas: | Hi, I have a Epia EX15000 with a DVB-S card. I have playback issue not related to the load. The video is very choppy with a 50% cpu usage (the XvMc do not work yet). I tried to load a mpeg2 Video on mplayer and i have a perfect video. I tried to load the same video in MythTv and the video is very choppy. What i did wrong ? |
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| [02:28:42] | quantum: | does anyone else use fc7 ? |
| [02:28:53] | quantum: | I can't turn off the freaking screen blanking |
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| [02:32:42] | quantum: | for that mater is anyone on line? |
| [02:35:44] | opello: | Option "NoDPMS" ? |
| [02:36:11] | opello: | (in the "Monitor" section |
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| [02:40:20] | Flimqy: | I'm having some odd audio problems... I'm using an Audigy 2 with 6-channel analog output. Everything that comes out of the left speakers (and center speaker) is very staticy--especially on loud bits. |
| [02:40:23] | Flimqy: | the left side seems fine. |
| [02:40:32] | Flimqy: | I don't have this problem when I'm plugged into another PC |
| [02:40:42] | Flimqy: | my software mixer settings look fine |
| [02:40:50] | Flimqy: | any ideas? |
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| [02:41:49] | Flimqy: | or rather, the right side sounds fine |
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| [02:44:01] | quantum: | well I have twinview running hand have secondmonitor stuff, not sure if I can do SecondMonitorOption "NoDPMS" then |
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| [02:49:38] | clever[rev]: | where do i set the default interlacing settings? |
| [02:50:47] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: In Settings -> TV -> Playback IIRC... |
| [02:51:03] | clever[rev]: | checking |
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| [02:52:48] | clever[rev]: | J-e-f-f-A-2: not there:( |
| [02:53:10] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: RU sure? [checking...] |
| [02:54:33] | kdubya: | its so that |
| [02:55:06] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: Humm... you're right [sorry for doubting you]... Where did they move it to? [still looking] |
| [02:55:11] | kdubya: | what? |
| [02:55:12] | kdubya: | no its there |
| [02:55:29] | kdubya: | first thing at the top of the first page |
| [02:55:35] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | kdubya: Not on SVN head... |
| [02:55:39] | kdubya: | pff |
| [02:55:41] | kdubya: | svn |
| [02:56:47] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: It's there... but there are several options now for different resolutions... Click 'Edit' on ech on the Playback Profiles page 3... |
| [02:56:59] | clever[rev]: | ahh that new complex thingy |
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| [02:57:35] | clever[rev]: | 400x400 is what my files are atm |
| [02:58:02] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | So that would qualify for the 1st one... unless you're using xvmc, then that would be the xvmc entry of course... |
| [02:58:26] | clever[rev]: | not shure what xvmc is |
| [02:59:23] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: If you've got an NVIDIA card and have the binary driver installed, XVMC does much of the mpeg2 decoding in hardware on the video card. (X Video Motion Compensation) |
| [02:59:36] | clever[rev]: | mpeg4 files |
| [02:59:49] | clever[rev]: | nvidia card |
| [02:59:51] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: Ok, XVMC won't do a thing for you. |
| [02:59:54] | clever[rev]: | frame grabber |
| [03:00:13] | clever[rev]: | X has been eating a shitload of cpu recently |
| [03:00:27] | clever[rev]: | setting it to progressive fixes it but the options in edit arent as simple;P |
| [03:00:33] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | [disclaimer: at least I think so... maybe it does *now*,... They may have expanded it to include mpeg4 by now on the new cards...] |
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| [03:01:00] | clever[rev]: | and the box for render bearly fits on my screen |
| [03:01:48] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: Well, I for one am glad they did that. One of my frontends looked great with HD with the deinterlace mode set to BOB. But SDTV looked horrible with BOB... (at least the OSD did...) I like the changes... ;-) |
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| [03:02:09] | clever[rev]: | bob is what i was set to |
| [03:02:12] | clever[rev]: | osd flickered |
| [03:02:18] | clever[rev]: | and X ate 50–60% cpu |
| [03:02:24] | clever[rev]: | and on crt the entire video bob'ed:P |
| [03:03:09] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: Yep... That's one of the 'flaws' in using BOB atm... I lived with it since XVMC was the only way I could play HD on a 1GHz PIII ... ;-) |
| [03:04:23] | clever[rev]: | can the transcoder make mpeg2? |
| [03:04:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | not currently. it can only reencode to rtjpeg/mpeg4 |
| [03:04:59] | clever[rev]: | ahhh:( |
| [03:05:05] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: Well, I've gotta crash... But in my experimenting with deinterlace modes in the past, I've personally liked the kernel deint the best... |
| [03:05:10] | ** Captain_Murdoch is working on a patch to allow software encoding to mpeg-2 and even flv. ** | |
| [03:05:10] | clever[rev]: | so i cant convert my crap to something it can decode in hardware |
| [03:05:18] | clever[rev]: | i have it set to none atm |
| [03:05:31] | clever[rev]: | nice |
| [03:05:44] | clever[rev]: | one crude way to do it |
| [03:05:51] | clever[rev]: | transcode to RAW and output to a pipe |
| [03:05:54] | clever[rev]: | which ffmpeg then handles |
| [03:05:55] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: But these are just 400x480? Try 'kernel'... it should work fine... |
| [03:06:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | clever[rev]: that's what nuvexport does currently |
| [03:06:04] | clever[rev]: | 400x400 |
| [03:06:05] | kdubya: | different settings for different resolutions? |
| [03:06:17] | clever[rev]: | i'll try kernel next |
| [03:06:42] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | kdubya: yes — in the SVN version of Myth. |
| [03:06:46] | kdubya: | neat |
| [03:06:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | my patch will allow direct recording to mpeg2/mpeg-ps files or transcoding to them after the fact. |
| [03:07:04] | clever[rev]: | nice |
| [03:07:07] | kdubya: | i cant kernel deinterlace 1080i but it works better for SD |
| [03:07:13] | kdubya: | so thats like, useful |
| [03:07:21] | clever[rev]: | how much cpu power would mpeg2 use relative to mpeg4?(encoding) |
| [03:07:58] | J-e-f-f-A-2: | clever[rev]: Let me know how you make out... I've gotta crash, I'm hitting a brick wall... ttyl... ;-) Captain_Murdoch & company, thanks for the great work with MythTV! |
| [03:08:09] | clever[rev]: | cant test it that well atm |
| [03:08:11] | clever[rev]: | recording still |
| [03:08:28] | clever[rev]: | even when it worked it doesnt have the power to record&play without using rtjpeg |
| [03:08:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | haven't compared, but it is more for mpeg2 I believe. gimme a few minutes and I'll give you a relative number on my P4–2.6Ghz system. |
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| [03:15:38] | venger: | testing out a frontend and locked up watching tv and had to reboot. it says all tuners are in use, is there a file i need to delete? |
| [03:16:23] | clever[rev]: | try deleting the recording that its still making |
| [03:16:24] | clever[rev]: | normaly |
| [03:16:54] | venger: | information does say tuner 1 is watching live tv |
| [03:17:18] | clever[rev]: | go to the recordings page |
| [03:17:31] | clever[rev]: | you should see the livetv stuff(may need to hit menu and pick the livetv group) |
| [03:18:30] | venger: | it says this recording is currently in use so it is still recording |
| [03:19:15] | clever[rev]: | you may also have a option to stop the recording on the same menu as delete |
| [03:21:53] | venger: | it tells me i cant delete it lol |
| [03:22:18] | venger: | i can be sure to get recordings |
| [03:22:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | try watching it from the playback menu, then stop watching and try to delete it. that may clear out the inuseprograms table entry and let you delete it. |
| [03:23:02] | Captain_Murdoch: | are you doing this on the same frontend or a different one? |
| [03:23:19] | venger: | frontend |
| [03:23:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | it won't let you delete it from another frontend because it thinks the first one is still watching. |
| [03:23:42] | Captain_Murdoch: | frontend yes, but same one or different one? |
| [03:24:39] | venger: | sorry, i have only one frontend |
| [03:25:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | and you can't restart the backend right now? |
| [03:25:10] | venger: | i could |
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| [03:25:31] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's the easy way to fix it but there are others if you have a recording in progress that you don't want to lose. |
| [03:25:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | or mess up. |
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| [03:27:21] | venger: | ok well stopping the backend leave me connection less then starting the backend leaves the recording in a in use state |
| [03:28:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | in use meaning the little flag/icon on the watch recordings screen? what happens if you try to delete it now? |
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| [03:29:48] | venger: | ok im good i guess it wasnt immediately in sync |
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| [03:40:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | clever[rev]: test encoding to mpeg-2 instead of mpeg-4 was 33% slower, so my test encode was getting ~50fps to MPEG-4, but only ~33fps to MPEG-2. same bitrate and resolution for each. |
| [03:40:20] | clever[rev]: | ahh |
| [03:40:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think that's one of the reasons that Chutt didn't do mpeg-2 to begin with a long time ago, because of the slowness of the software encoder. |
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| [03:41:18] | clever[rev]: | i need to get rid of this frame grabber |
| [03:41:24] | clever[rev]: | but i got nothing to replace it |
| [03:41:36] | clever[rev]: | getting a box with firewire would cost extra |
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| [03:43:19] | clever[rev]: | i could rtjpeg and auto trans to mpeg4 afterwards |
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| [03:43:36] | clever[rev]: | but id need more of a buffer space kept free |
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| [03:52:16] | venger: | i'm tailing syslog and watching top this time around to see if its going to lock up again. since i done a fair amount of testing prior to adding a sound card i will have to lend a keen eye towards the sound card for the time being |
| [03:54:56] | venger: | one of my other ventures will see if i can play a couple of my dvd's that i've ripped to my hd, they are unencoded in their current form, will I use mythdvd but with an external player to view them ? |
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| [03:55:35] | venger: | c/encrypted/encoded |
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| [04:11:05] | venger: | none of my manpages for svn lirc binaries come up |
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| [05:00:58] | linagee: | does schedules direct have less subtitles than our old source? :( |
| [05:01:35] | linagee: | or does it only have fewer subtitles for shows in the distant future? |
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| [05:28:28] | robbins876: | is it cheaper yet? |
| [05:28:28] | robbins876: | or still $15 for 3 months? |
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| [05:35:51] | jams: | it's right on the front page |
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| [06:30:46] | Floppe: | is it possible to have mythtvbackend to stream a radio channel like vdr streamdev can? |
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| [07:00:40] | defaultro: | exit |
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| [07:03:01] | ivan: | Hiya All |
| [07:03:12] | ivan: | hey guys quick question.. what's a really good codec pack? |
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| [07:07:18] | cesman: | quick answer |
| [07:07:22] | cesman: | darn it... |
| [07:07:24] | cesman: | he left |
| [07:07:37] | defaultro: | hey folks, what is ed2k:// |
| [07:08:17] | kormoc: | google knows |
| [07:08:19] | cesman: | off hand, I' say it is a kioslave for edonkey2k |
| [07:08:37] | defaultro: | thanks |
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| [08:06:51] | dj_ryan: | man |
| [08:07:01] | dj_ryan: | this nvidia driver will only kick out 480p or 1080i |
| [08:07:22] | dj_ryan: | i can't get it to kick out 720p – even though the driver is instructed appropriately |
| [08:11:47] | Tanthrix: | What's the native resolution of your set? |
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| [08:22:32] | dj_ryan: | hmm |
| [08:22:37] | dj_ryan: | it doesnt have one |
| [08:22:43] | dj_ryan: | it handles 480p, 720p and 1080i |
| [08:22:47] | kormoc: | uhh |
| [08:22:55] | Tanthrix: | CRT, LCD, or plasma? |
| [08:23:01] | dj_ryan: | CRT |
| [08:23:32] | Tanthrix: | And does it actually display at these higher resolutions, or does it just support them? |
| [08:23:54] | dj_ryan: | it does display |
| [08:24:01] | dj_ryan: | my xbox delivered a 720p |
| [08:24:09] | dj_ryan: | and i got this nvidia card to kick out 1080i |
| [08:24:22] | Tanthrix: | How big of a TV? |
| [08:24:28] | dj_ryan: | but at 1080i the display doesnt look so great – the video has large vertical black bars on the sides |
| [08:24:34] | dj_ryan: | 32" wideish screen |
| [08:24:45] | Tanthrix: | What model? |
| [08:26:08] | dj_ryan: | magnetbox 30MW5405/17 apparently |
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| [08:32:07] | Tanthrix: | And you're certain that when you view a 720P/1080i source you're actually seeing them rendered as such? (ie, they look clearer with more detail than regular 480i, and you're sure that it's not just in your head) |
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| [08:33:22] | dj_ryan: | absolutely |
| [08:33:25] | dj_ryan: | without a doubt |
| [08:33:39] | dj_ryan: | also the TV tells you what component standard it is currently tracking to |
| [08:33:57] | juski: | tried reading the nvidia docs? |
| [08:34:16] | Tanthrix: | Well, the reason I ask is there are a lot of EDTV CRT sets out there in that size that support 480p/720p/1080i, but don't actually have the capbility to display as such |
| [08:34:30] | Tanthrix: | Even though they can downscale them and display them |
| [08:34:37] | juski: | that |
| [08:34:54] | juski: | that's all 'hd ready' has to mean isn't it though? that it can display it |
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| [08:35:28] | Tanthrix: | It can probably mean anything they want it to mean. |
| [08:35:58] | Tanthrix: | dj_ryan: Anyway, check the nvidia linux forums. Outputting at 1080i can be tricky and involve handmade modelines and other funky things. |
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| [08:37:20] | juski: | IIRC there are options you put in xorg.conf to get different outputs from component output |
| [08:37:36] | juski: | e.g."480p", "1080i" etc |
| [08:38:02] | Tanthrix: | Quiet you, you anti-HD crazy man |
| [08:38:19] | juski: | hey I'm just talking about stuff I touched on when I read the docs |
| [08:38:23] | Tanthrix: | hehe |
| [08:38:59] | dj_ryan: | right |
| [08:39:04] | dj_ryan: | i have the things set |
| [08:39:05] | juski: | anyway I'm not anti-HD – I just haven't bought into the hype yet |
| [08:39:22] | dj_ryan: | TVStandard HD480p HD720p etc |
| [08:39:39] | dj_ryan: | i get a difference when i switch it |
| [08:39:46] | dj_ryan: | i should surf those forii |
| [08:40:16] | juski: | one thing I don't know is whether or not those change the actual video mode X runs in |
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| [08:41:22] | juski: | in cases where you use a composite or svideo out, TVstandard simply configures the output encoder to scale the input video to the required parameters. That might also be the case for component output |
| [08:41:52] | juski: | not ever having used component output I can't say either way with any degree of certainty ;) |
| [08:42:21] | dj_ryan: | the nvidia driver docs say that the allowed resolution modes are constrained by the tvstandard setting |
| [08:42:28] | dj_ryan: | and my experiments seem to indicate that |
| [08:43:15] | juski: | whatever happens I don't think you're going to have much success making the desktop fit the TV screen precisely |
| [08:43:29] | dj_ryan: | yeah i have lots of overscan issues |
| [08:43:34] | juski: | getting the right resolution is more important though |
| [08:43:39] | dj_ryan: | in the 480p mode the things look ok |
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| [08:43:49] | juski: | overscan on modern TVs is generally about 5% |
| [08:43:54] | juski: | not much at all |
| [08:44:09] | Tanthrix: | Not if you get a proper LCD set! |
| [08:44:30] | juski: | not even then, necessarily |
| [08:44:54] | juski: | all TVs should overscan because not _all_ of the video signal is active |
| [08:45:01] | juski: | even HD |
| [08:45:07] | dj_ryan: | oh man im gonna get a CF IDE adaptor to solid-state my openbsd firewall (YAY) |
| [08:45:12] | DustyBin: | juski: is it true that you have a 60" ? |
| [08:45:28] | ** juski has never said he has a 60" ** | |
| [08:45:39] | DustyBin: | hmm |
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| [08:45:54] | juski: | why would I? PAL mpeg2 looks about tolerable at 32" |
| [08:46:13] | DustyBin: | i wasnt talking about TVs ? |
| [08:46:19] | jduggan_: | hah |
| [08:46:22] | Tanthrix: | juski: Well, if you count the 8 extra pixels maybe, but no one really does. Good sets give you the option not to overscan. And we are talking about overscanning video, not overscanning blank pixels |
| [08:46:44] | juski: | the blank pixels are usually IN the video damnit |
| [08:47:05] | juski: | otherwise people would complain about seeing a black line at the side/top/bottom of their new telly |
| [08:48:03] | Tanthrix: | Anyway, even that is moot, since with a computer setup you want myth to be in control of the over scanning |
| [08:48:23] | juski: | not necessarily again |
| [08:48:36] | Tanthrix: | My TV displays 1920x1080 pixels exactly when set to its native mode. Not a single bit of overscanning – just a glorified computer monitor. As it should be. |
| [08:48:49] | juski: | dj_ryan: try searching for the model number of your TV and 'modeline' |
| [08:49:22] | directhex|work: | juski, HD Ready stipulates a vertical resolution of 720px or higher, a component video connection, a dvi or hdmi connection (with hdcp support) and the ability to receive 720p or 1080i through either the digital or analog hd connections |
| [08:49:43] | dj_ryan: | nothing |
| [08:49:51] | Tanthrix: | And good sets should give you that option not to overscan – it's only the cheaper, crappier ones that don't give you that option. |
| [08:49:57] | juski: | directhex|work: not 1080p? not bloody worth it then |
| [08:50:15] | directhex|work: | juski, nobody's got plans to transmit it in .uk |
| [08:50:31] | dj_ryan: | are you calling me cheap?! |
| [08:50:32] | juski: | still not bloody worth it then |
| [08:50:35] | dj_ryan: | 1080p is not worth it yet |
| [08:50:41] | dj_ryan: | 720p is probably the sweet spot |
| [08:50:46] | dj_ryan: | fuck hd content |
| [08:50:47] | dj_ryan: | hah |
| [08:50:47] | dj_ryan: | ok |
| [08:50:49] | dj_ryan: | bedtime |
| [08:50:49] | dj_ryan: | thanks |
| [08:51:42] | juski: | hmm this is crap. These LEDs with the wrong polarity for our boards have a reverse polarity option stated in the datasheet but they don't associate a part number suffix for it. :( |
| [08:52:09] | juski: | so how the ducking hell do we know what we're buying?! arseholes |
| [08:52:12] | directhex|work: | juski, sky are transmitting 1080i, most games machines target 720p |
| [08:52:24] | juski: | but the disc formats can be 1080p |
| [08:52:32] | Tanthrix: | Not can. Are. |
| [08:53:06] | juski: | so I pay godknowswhat for a new player, new discs.. and? it downscales it for my TV? ducking rip-off |
| [08:53:57] | Tanthrix: | Aren't you always the one saying that there's barely any difference between 480p and HD? Doubt you'd notice 1080i vs. 1080p... |
| [08:54:06] | Tanthrix: | er, 480i |
| [08:54:17] | juski: | and I dunno if any UK folks read a news item about BBC HD recently but – they're apparently considering using dvb-t2. infact they're even considering moving all the freeview stuff to dvb-t2 too. that's nice |
| [08:54:34] | DustyBin: | aye good :D |
| [08:55:04] | juski: | good? apart from the very apparent lack of chipsets on the market to receive dvb-t2 yes |
| [08:55:48] | juski: | apart from the fact the government has been imploring everybody to 'switch' to digital with equipment that will become completely useless for dvb-t2 |
| [08:56:05] | juski: | it's ludicrous on so many different levels |
| [08:56:12] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [08:56:51] | juski: | not least of which the amount of STBs that'll end up in landfill, the amount of pissed-off customers left with useless integrated TVs... I can see it making Sky very popular |
| [08:57:21] | DustyBin: | all those HDTV televisions what are on sale now, do they have the capability to receive HDTV freeview signals? |
| [08:57:27] | juski: | no |
| [08:57:32] | DustyBin: | jeeze |
| [08:57:56] | juski: | nor do they have the capacity to be upgraded to receive them without an external box |
| [08:58:46] | DustyBin: | does that Billy Piper prostitute thingy start tonight? |
| [08:59:02] | juski: | actually I tell a lie – it's possible some of them will be capable, but I doubt it'd be many of them & you can definitely bank on the majority of sets sold not being remotely capable of it |
| [08:59:07] | juski: | aye |
| [08:59:12] | juski: | itv2, 9pm IIRC |
| [08:59:29] | DustyBin: | ok, as long as i can pick up Television X im happy :D |
| [09:00:05] | Daviey: | Bah.. we can watch a minger be a prostitute... nice |
| [09:00:16] | Daviey: | Apparently the story it pretty thin aswelll |
| [09:00:17] | juski: | I doubt any of the dvb-t2 stuff will happen in the near future, but that isn't being made clear right now. IMHO what they'll do is start HD with dvb-t2, and those dvb-t2 receivers will also get dvb-t |
| [09:00:31] | juski: | heheh it's based on some whore's blog apparently |
| [09:00:52] | Daviey: | Yeah, i had to grant the redistrubition rights to my blog :) |
| [09:02:33] | juski: | I'm trying to decide whether or not to sign a legally binding contract to do some work for a website design. never done anything for anything but fun before & find the prospect of a legal contract a bit scary wary |
| [09:03:46] | DustyBin: | what channel is that billy thingy on again? im at work on mythweb |
| [09:03:48] | Daviey: | juski: If you think you can do it, do |
| [09:04:10] | juski: | DustyBin: CouncilTV2 |
| [09:04:15] | DustyBin: | heh |
| [09:04:23] | juski: | oops. PlebTV2 |
| [09:06:31] | juski: | Daviey: well, it'll mean I can afford a new telly & a really good frontend if I pull it off |
| [09:06:50] | juski: | I'm just worried what happens if I find I can't deliver for whatever reason |
| [09:07:05] | juski: | don't wanna end up in having-my-ass-sued-off land |
| [09:07:13] | Daviey: | juski: Have you tried a proof of concept? |
| [09:07:27] | juski: | I haven't seen a brief yet |
| [09:07:55] | Daviey: | WTF, they want you to agree to a contract – before knowing what it is they want?! |
| [09:08:29] | juski: | well, I know the brief, but it's er.. very brief ;) |
| [09:09:25] | Daviey: | juski: I'd say go for it.. :) |
| [09:09:47] | juski: | if the worst that can happen is I don't get paid, I think I will |
| [09:12:22] | Daviey: | Well software development has little overheads, so the worst that can happen is lost time – i suppose |
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| [09:15:12] | willcooke: | juski, I did some sudo-freelance web design. It was a PITA. The biggest problem is that the customer expects you to be able to right copy as well as design the layout. |
| [09:15:34] | willcooke: | and they rarely know what they actually want. |
| [09:15:55] | willcooke: | So I ended up writing adverts for them, and not getting paid when they said they would pay |
| [09:16:02] | willcooke: | never again |
| [09:17:02] | juski: | I think I'll give it a crack. I wouldn't mind being able to afford a new telly & frontend at the year end |
| [09:17:46] | willcooke: | that'd be nice! |
| [09:18:22] | juski: | maybe even a doggyhouse for the garden :P |
| [09:18:39] | willcooke: | :) |
| [09:18:57] | juski: | oh I was gonna tell you – wife took rory for a big long walk to her mate's last night. he was too tired for the walk back so I had to go get em |
| [09:19:31] | willcooke: | HA! Lazy dog |
| [09:19:39] | juski: | was no bother getting into the car or travelling bless him. and he didn't cry at bedtime last night. and now my wife's having doubts. ffs |
| [09:19:56] | juski: | just dawning on her how much work it is |
| [09:20:53] | juski: | that'll be ironic. I was the one who wasn't hot on the idea in the 1st place :) |
| [09:20:57] | willcooke: | I know that feeling. After a week or so I was "What the hell have I let myself in for", that lasted about 2 weeks |
| [09:21:12] | willcooke: | tell her to stick at it. |
| [09:21:24] | juski: | I keep telling her that if she wants kids, this is nothing compared to that |
| [09:21:34] | willcooke: | exactly! |
| [09:21:57] | juski: | and it won't just be a little whimper she has to ignore / not ignore – depending on the barely perceptible signals |
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| [09:22:36] | willcooke: | :) |
| [09:23:25] | juski: | it's still to much like he takes _me_ for a walk when I take him out. might need to see a trainer so I can learn |
| [09:25:30] | willcooke: | I can recommend the "Dog Listener" types. That's more about how to act and treat your dog so they know exactly where they stand, and once they know their place they do as they are told. |
| [09:30:19] | directhex|work: | bleh. i mention satellite, and new co-worker starts convincing me to combine a dreambox with dodgy decryption keys |
| [09:30:30] | willcooke: | :/ |
| [09:30:42] | juski: | it's rife here too |
| [09:31:02] | juski: | the local computer fairs are laden with stalls selling dodgy cable boxes |
| [09:31:22] | juski: | and warez DVDs actually. it's all blatant |
| [09:31:37] | willcooke: | so has someone beaten the sky encryption then? I thought I was unbreakable |
| [09:32:35] | juski: | nah. the 'foreign' sats aren't though, and they carry a surprising amount of English language stuff |
| [09:32:43] | directhex|work: | that's what he said |
| [09:33:10] | directhex|work: | and he's convincing me it's all above board because decrypting foreigners' encrypted channels sin't technically illegal. *cough* |
| [09:33:19] | willcooke: | hmmmm |
| [09:33:33] | juski: | there's a guy here who runs a 1m dish & godknows how many dvb-s cards with a popular linux pvr program |
| [09:33:46] | directhex|work: | he's also trying to teach me how to steal top-up tv. i *pay* for top-up. i might be a fool for doing it, but if it's worth using it's worth the asking price |
| [09:33:56] | willcooke: | hmmm – thousands of channels of shite instead of only hundreds |
| [09:35:07] | directhex|work: | exactly! |
| [09:35:27] | directhex|work: | apparently there's no point in pointing to astra2 because there's only stuff like bbc or itv on it in FTA |
| [09:35:44] | directhex|work: | well, no shit! those are the channels with the lowest shite ratio of any worldwide! |
| [09:35:59] | juski: | I used to have Sly Movies & honest to $deity there was barely a single movie over 2 stars on any of them |
| [09:36:16] | directhex|work: | using up an LNB to access astra2/eurobird1 is an LNB well spent for those of us who aren't 1337 h4xx0r5 |
| [09:37:13] | juski: | the majority of Sly Movies' films are efforts the studios force them to have & they tend to be the ones which went straight to video |
| [09:37:25] | Daviey: | juski: Bah.. you got the doggy then |
| [09:37:50] | Daviey: | Keep a mental tally of who does the walks... I'll bet you'll come out on top |
| [09:37:58] | juski: | not so far :) |
| [09:38:34] | Daviey: | Teach me how... |
| [09:39:27] | willcooke: | should I be able to pick up eurobird1 with the old sly minidish on my house (with out moving it) |
| [09:39:45] | Weezey: | directhex|work: I want Channel 4 |
| [09:40:55] | directhex|work: | Weezey, wait a few months then |
| [09:41:03] | directhex|work: | willcooke, technically, yes |
| [09:41:12] | Daviey: | Yeah soft-core porn, autopsies and attempted suicides — all live |
| [09:41:18] | Daviey: | What more could you want? |
| [09:41:37] | directhex|work: | willcooke, EB1 is only a tiny bit out from A2 (0.3 degrees), so you should be able to nab it with the same dish |
| [09:41:58] | directhex|work: | i think sky actually use EB1 for some of their crap |
| [09:42:23] | willcooke: | anything worth buying a dvb-s card for? |
| [09:42:39] | directhex|work: | gaynetwork, and sumotv |
| [09:42:50] | directhex|work: | and dm islam tv |
| [09:43:14] | willcooke: | that's a no then. What's that sat site that tells you whats on where? linsat or something |
| [09:43:31] | directhex|work: | http://lyngsat.com/eb1.html |
| [09:43:35] | SiD3WiNDR: | gay islam tv? |
| [09:43:39] | willcooke: | ta |
| [09:43:42] | SiD3WiNDR: | damn, I might actually get killed over that :/ |
| [09:43:53] | directhex|work: | the coral-colored channels or transponders are encrypted |
| [09:44:22] | directhex|work: | more seriously, i think Zone Horror could be a larf |
| [09:45:11] | directhex|work: | tee hee. JML Direct, the channel full of adverts for useless plastic kitchenware crap, is encrypted |
| [09:45:16] | willcooke: | nope – nothing worth watching on eb1 |
| [09:45:42] | directhex|work: | how about eb1+a2 though? |
| [09:45:53] | directhex|work: | http://www.lyngsat.com/28east.html |
| [09:46:07] | directhex|work: | remember, channel 4 is going FTA within 12 months |
| [09:46:39] | willcooke: | I suppose some of the regional ITV stations might have something on (itv london for example – Adam Hart-Davis (hero!!)) |
| [09:47:16] | directhex|work: | hang on... sky are doing some dvb-s2 stuff? i thought they were regular dvb-s throughout |
| [09:47:16] | willcooke: | and some of the radio might pass the time |
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| [09:51:50] | directhex|work: | what's the usual bandwidth used for the non-crap DVB channels? |
| [09:51:54] | directhex|work: | about 5mbit? |
| [09:53:55] | willcooke: | dvb-t or s? (is there a difference?) I think a dvb-t mux is 18mbit |
| [09:54:13] | willcooke: | so, 5mbit would be about right |
| [09:54:17] | juski: | dvb-t2 is more, therefore more betterer (ish) |
| [09:54:43] | juski: | directhex|work: there's a webshite which lists the peak & average bitrates for all freeview channels somewhere – oh and the Sly ones too |
| [09:55:24] | juski: | http://dtt.me.uk/multiplex/2 |
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| [09:56:37] | juski: | channel4+1 – 1.58 Mbits/sec @544x576 ! ouch |
| [09:57:01] | willcooke: | ooo. that's tight |
| [09:57:05] | juski: | listing the demuxed channel bitrates is more revealing |
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| [09:57:45] | juski: | at least c4+1 has a gop size of 12, unlike say Five Life with its 48 |
| [09:58:14] | directhex|work: | fair to say 1600 gig -> 2 months of recording? |
| [09:58:44] | juski: | maybe, maybe not |
| [09:59:02] | juski: | Charlie Brooker's screenwipe which is a half hour long took up 1GB the other night |
| [10:00:32] | rooaus: | hi |
| [10:00:41] | juski: | hi roo |
| [10:02:49] | juski: | woof. BBCHD – ave bitrate of 16mbits/sec in h.264. niiiiiiice |
| [10:03:41] | juski: | whoah Sky One HD averages more than that! |
| [10:03:54] | juski: | so why does it look so crap? |
| [10:04:07] | directhex|work: | is it mpeg2? |
| [10:04:11] | juski: | nope |
| [10:04:18] | directhex|work: | is it encoded by gibbons? |
| [10:04:27] | juski: | discoveryHD looks bad too, but that's also close to 20mbits/sec |
| [10:05:01] | juski: | must be encoded by crap gear while BBC HD isn't |
| [10:05:47] | juski: | I remember even seeing a marked difference between 24 on BBC2 & BBC Choice. On Choice it looked much better despite a lower average bitrate |
| [10:07:02] | ** directhex|work attempts to look knowledgable, blames sub-pixel b-frames ** | |
| [10:07:53] | juski: | point is it's not always just about bitrates :) |
| [10:08:32] | juski: | noise, the number of repeated encode/decode cycles it goes through on the transmission path – and the encoding algorithm all have a part to play |
| [10:10:51] | juski: | Rhode & Schwartz make some nifty transmission processing gear. Wouldn't count on non-licence fee paid channels using that kind of stuff though ;) |
| [10:11:58] | ** Daviey notes that juski is trying the "It's not the size, it's what you can do with it", and we all know which people try that argument ** | |
| [10:12:11] | juski: | ha |
| [10:12:13] | jduggan_: | football players |
| [10:15:09] | ** juski realises Daviey means highly confident, able people ** | |
| [10:15:31] | directhex|work: | hm, i got a reply to my "you treated me like shit" email to a chain pub company |
| [10:15:50] | juski: | weatherforks? |
| [10:19:38] | directhex|work: | laurel pub co (litten tree, slug & lettuce, hogshead, yates, & more) |
| [10:19:44] | juski: | ah |
| [10:20:11] | juski: | I found out the other week that the group I used to work as a DJ for now owns The Living Room chain among others |
| [10:20:29] | directhex|work: | we've got a living room in oxfnord |
| [10:20:31] | directhex|work: | expensive :x |
| [10:20:48] | juski: | yeah the one in manchester is where wannabes go to meet 'celebs' |
| [10:20:59] | directhex|work: | really? christ :/ |
| [10:21:12] | directhex|work: | i like their pretentious "alcohol locker" scheme |
| [10:21:17] | directhex|work: | that doesn't offer anything remotely rare |
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| [10:22:17] | juski: | I've seen that kind of thing in some bars in Cannes |
| [10:22:25] | directhex|work: | if they would sell you a bottle of havana club maximo, for example, for a £3000 |
| [10:22:39] | directhex|work: | well, it'd only be a 4x markup. which is low |
| [10:22:43] | juski: | take your own bottle in, pay a fee & they can serve you from it whener you go in |
| [10:23:42] | directhex|work: | i could, but a bottle of maximo is £1000 from t'intarwebs |
| [10:24:21] | juski: | heh. call me an uncultured luddite, but for me it's only about tasting vaguely pleasant as it gets you pissed |
| [10:24:53] | directhex|work: | i don't even know if maximo is pleasant! i can't afford any! |
| [10:25:17] | directhex|work: | the most expensive alcohol i've tasted is something from my uncle's wine cellar. a french red. he wasn't overly impressed |
| [10:25:32] | directhex|work: | most expensive spirit is havana club 15 year, at £7 a shot cuban prices |
| [10:25:44] | juski: | jees |
| [10:25:54] | directhex|work: | £60 a bottle cuban price (£150 a bottle in the uk) |
| [10:26:19] | directhex|work: | it tastes like caramel-infused whiskey |
| [10:26:41] | juski: | think I'll stick with JD & its variants |
| [10:27:25] | Daviey: | distill your own, homebrew style |
| [10:27:41] | ectospasm: | And here I thought Remy Martin Louis XIII was the most expensive alcohol... |
| [10:27:57] | ectospasm: | Some restaurants around here serve it for >$100 per 1.5oz |
| [10:28:22] | directhex|work: | ectospasm, havana club maximo is a smidge more expensive |
| [10:28:30] | Daviey: | Well selling by the oz is just silly anyway |
| [10:28:41] | ectospasm: | well, it's a restaurant with a bar |
| [10:28:49] | directhex|work: | ectospasm, moreso considering a bottle of remy is 70cl, a bottle of maximo is 50cl |
| [10:28:51] | ectospasm: | selling by the ounce isn't unheard of |
| [10:29:51] | Daviey: | just an odd yankism IMO |
| [10:30:05] | directhex|work: | assuming £830 a bottle for remy, £1000 for maximo, that's £30 a shot for remy, £50 for maximo |
| [10:30:17] | directhex|work: | assuming no bar markups – these are online prices |
| [10:30:35] | ectospasm: | Daviey: you've never gone to a pub and ordered a few shots? |
| [10:30:55] | Daviey: | yus.. but not a few oz's |
| [10:31:14] | directhex|work: | a shot in .uk is 25ml |
| [10:31:22] | Daviey: | yep |
| [10:31:29] | Daviey: | or 1/6 gill :O |
| [10:31:40] | ectospasm: | A shot in the US is 1.5 to 3oz |
| [10:31:46] | directhex|work: | what's that in real money |
| [10:31:59] | directhex|work: | i.e. something based on science, not the amount of pee a donkey can make after grinding corn |
| [10:32:06] | Daviey: | pmsl |
| [10:32:26] | ectospasm: | directhex|work: depends on the bar |
| [10:32:30] | directhex|work: | 1.5 US fluid ounces = 44.3602945 ml |
| [10:32:36] | directhex|work: | okay, so a bit less than a double |
| [10:33:12] | juski: | I like the continental system of measures |
| [10:33:33] | juski: | no concept of singles or doubles, just pour it |
| [10:33:55] | Daviey: | Well in the Uk – many judge by pouring+time |
| [10:34:15] | Daviey: | but you have to be 'qualified' |
| [10:34:16] | ectospasm: | juski: that's the way it's done here... mix it up and pour it into the shot glasses |
| [10:34:30] | directhex|work: | Daviey, that's only legal for "mixed drinks" containing 3 or more liquid ingredients |
| [10:34:36] | juski: | mix spririts? pleh |
| [10:34:37] | directhex|work: | Daviey, otherwise they're not allowed to freepour |
| [10:34:39] | ectospasm: | Daviey: a lot of locales here require bartenders to be licensed |
| [10:34:44] | ectospasm: | usually by local ordinance |
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| [10:48:17] | ** willcooke is pleased to see no unknown IP addresses in his apache log ** | |
| [10:48:52] | willcooke: | I was a bit worried about putting myweb on the internets, but it seems to be ok (password protected of course) |
| [10:49:09] | jduggan_: | why dont you iptables to src addr |
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| [10:51:42] | willcooke: | good idea, but what if I need to access it from, for example, an internets cafe. |
| [10:51:56] | willcooke: | I supposed I could SSH in and add the address |
| [10:52:06] | juski: | I'd never feel safe doing that |
| [10:52:27] | jduggan: | write a port knocker or something |
| [10:52:29] | jduggan: | :o |
| [10:52:41] | willcooke: | another good idea! |
| [10:52:45] | juski: | ssh is safe from everything but keyloggers |
| [10:52:53] | jduggan: | thats where otp comes in |
| [10:53:08] | jduggan: | one time paswords ftw |
| [10:53:18] | juski: | ah yeah all too easy to forget about them |
| [10:53:19] | willcooke: | and man-in-the-middle if you mindlessly agree to certificate warnings |
| [10:53:45] | willcooke: | ahem |
| [10:53:49] | willcooke: | ;) |
| [10:54:07] | juski: | you can prolly even configure ssh to generate a key for a given address only once, then revoke it later |
| [10:54:40] | juski: | talking out of my hat now of course :) |
| [10:56:08] | jduggan: | otp can be a pain if u dont have the list with u |
| [10:56:25] | jduggan: | but u can get some pda/phone software that will do it |
| [10:56:39] | jduggan: | so aslong as you got the key you should be fine :P |
| [10:56:53] | jduggan: | er, s/key/phone/ |
| [10:56:57] | juski: | rofl @ Excel 2007 having problems with equations whose totals come to 65535 |
| [10:57:11] | directhex|work: | juski, you mean 100000! |
| [10:57:17] | juski: | yeah |
| [10:57:42] | jduggan: | i tried that already |
| [10:57:52] | jduggan: | = 1 + 65534 |
| [10:58:02] | jduggan: | didnt have any effect |
| [10:58:03] | jduggan: | for me |
| [10:58:17] | juski: | maybe it's only floating point maths which has the problem |
| [10:58:43] | juski: | or just multiplication. anyway pretty shocking whatever |
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| [10:59:33] | jduggan: | yea |
| [10:59:41] | jduggan: | im sure they'll roll a patch at some point |
| [11:00:01] | directhex|work: | it's floating point calculations where 16-bit floats multiply to become the highest 16-bit integer |
| [11:02:32] | jduggan: | http://blogs.msdn.com/excel/archive/2007/09/2 . . . -update.aspx |
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| [11:21:35] | rooaus: | jduggan: That is hilarious, mind you there are plenty of other reasons to not use Office 2007. |
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| [11:26:54] | directhex|work: | like? |
| [11:27:34] | rooaus: | I absolutely hate that ribbon bullshit in word |
| [11:28:51] | directhex|work: | it's new and exciting! |
| [11:28:54] | juski: | best reason for me not to use Office 2007 is that I can't afford it |
| [11:29:07] | juski: | oh and yeah – I don't use windows at home anymore :) |
| [11:29:27] | rooaus: | when you embed images in a word document it can mask the bottom n pixels based on the following paragraphs space before. |
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| [11:30:13] | juski: | anyway isn't it kind of moot in here? hmmm in a linux related IRC channel... Microsoft is shite – discuss :O |
| [11:30:34] | rooaus: | juski: We bought 1 copy purely for the native export to pdf functionality, unfortunately I have to use it. |
| [11:32:00] | directhex|work: | wasn't export to pdf support axed? it exports to a proprietary ms-only pdf clone |
| [11:33:17] | rooaus: | directhex|work: No, you just need to install (windows genuine rubbish) the export to pdf and xps(?) addon. |
| [11:35:28] | directhex|work: | still, whatever happens, lots of people use windows |
| [11:35:34] | ** directhex|work presses on with his article ** | |
| [11:35:58] | rooaus: | directhex|work: Are you using Word to right your article on Myth? ;) |
| [11:36:26] | rooaus: | speeling :) |
| [11:37:39] | directhex|work: | OOo |
| [11:37:44] | directhex|work: | 2.3 |
| [11:38:29] | ** rooaus goes off to check 2.3 release notes... ** | |
| [11:38:44] | directhex|work: | don't see much difference tbh |
| [11:38:47] | juski: | using windows is like breathing air |
| [11:39:06] | juski: | using linux can be like going into space |
| [11:39:09] | directhex|work: | juski, painful & unnecessary? |
| [11:41:18] | juski: | wouldn't go that far |
| [11:41:47] | juski: | as far as _using_ a computer is concerned, linux has only just recently started catching up |
| [11:43:48] | ** juski wonders if inkscape can do image slicing... ** | |
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| [11:46:13] | directhex|work: | windows isn't easy, it's just hard in different ways |
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| [11:48:41] | rooaus: | Seems MythVideo is getting a tart up. |
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| [11:55:28] | willcooke: | anyone been watching the new Palin thing? |
| [11:55:45] | willcooke: | I dont think it's one of the better ones. |
| [11:56:03] | ** directhex|work isn't a palintologist ** | |
| [11:57:08] | willcooke: | I really enjoyed Around The World in 80 Days |
| [11:57:25] | willcooke: | this new one is missing something in my opinion |
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| [12:03:19] | juski: | willcooke: not interested in everything I never wanted to know about countries I don't give a flying f. about |
| [12:03:37] | willcooke: | :) |
| [12:14:38] | juski: | found one company here charging anything up to £750 for a 5 page website (!) |
| [12:15:00] | willcooke: | How long is one page! ;) |
| [12:16:34] | juski: | that doesn't include custom graphics or layout |
| [12:18:25] | directhex|work: | juski, some people pay that. every terrible business site you see was paid for. sad, isn't it |
| [12:18:37] | willcooke: | it had better include a kiss & a cuddle, because someone is getting fu**ed |
| [12:18:37] | juski: | yup |
| [12:20:03] | juski: | when we were looking for local dog homes, the nearest rspca branch site came along & could I find out where they were? Probably THE most important thing to have on such a site & I couldn't find it |
| [12:21:15] | willcooke: | when I was shopping around for car insurance a little while ago – if I couldn't find the information I wanted straight away they lost my business. |
| [12:21:39] | willcooke: | If you don't think about website layout & design then what else aren't you thinking about? |
| [12:21:40] | directhex|work: | my boss did the site for the local rspca branch, iirc |
| [12:22:00] | directhex|work: | willcooke, too many people start a site design on the computer, rather than on paper |
| [12:22:09] | juski: | that's very evident |
| [12:22:28] | directhex|work: | nothing beats paper & pencil for site design |
| [12:22:36] | directhex|work: | and for that i mean *content* more than anything else |
| [12:22:49] | directhex|work: | nothing convinces you to trim the *doodie* like havint to write it all down by hand |
| [12:23:29] | willcooke: | I also think that some smaller firms get "Dave's lad who knows how to use a computer" to do the website. And while this is suitable for "Dodgy Ken's Quality Motors" it makes otherwise reasonable companies look like fly-by-night's |
| [12:25:42] | juski: | blimey. media MVP less than 40 squidlies |
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| [12:26:49] | juski: | and – seems like linux users aren't the only lot who can't use nova-td500 cards. "there have been issues reported if using it on certain AMD Platform Motherboards with an AMI BIOS + with onboard graphics which has also got a PCI Express graphics card installed." |
| [12:27:27] | willcooke: | whoopsy |
| [12:28:00] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [12:28:05] | Yahooadam: | cos its a crappy card :p |
| [12:28:07] | directhex|work: | the td500 is the 2-tuners-1-channel jobby? |
| [12:28:27] | juski: | no, dual usb tuners on a pci card with a usb bridge |
| [12:28:43] | willcooke: | sounds like a recipe for disaster |
| [12:28:47] | Yahooadam: | its the one with 2 ariel plugs cos they didnt put the amp on |
| [12:28:51] | juski: | Yahooadam: and more likely the AMD motherboards are crappy |
| [12:29:09] | juski: | Yahooadam: NO. it's the 'diversity' version of the chipset |
| [12:29:34] | juski: | willcooke: the nova-t500 works very well in linux now |
| [12:29:56] | Yahooadam: | i can say that from experience :) |
| [12:30:01] | Yahooadam: | works like a charm |
| [12:30:11] | willcooke: | how much are they going for? |
| [12:30:11] | directhex|work: | i'm sure the idea of the diversity model is getting a signal boost by using both tuners at once for a single conbined signal |
| [12:30:15] | juski: | 'diversity' meaning that it can choose the strongest signal from either or 2 aerials |
| [12:30:16] | Yahooadam: | £60 |
| [12:30:24] | willcooke: | Wow, that's a good price. |
| [12:30:25] | juski: | Yahooadam: try less than £50 |
| [12:30:41] | Yahooadam: | depends where, i think i got mine shipped for £60 |
| [12:30:44] | juski: | scan.co.uk are reporting they currently only have the TD version in stock but that' |
| [12:30:46] | Yahooadam: | but that was a month ago |
| [12:30:48] | juski: | that can change :) |
| [12:30:48] | ** willcooke . . o o O O ( 5 tuners ) O O o o . . ** | |
| [12:31:01] | ** Yahooadam cries with just 3 ** | |
| [12:31:20] | willcooke: | I've got 3, but an extra two for 60 quid.... hmmm. tempting. |
| [12:31:21] | juski: | more than Ebuyer does. they'll take your money & you have to fight them to get it back once you've got it |
| [12:31:40] | juski: | there haven't been many TD versions made apparently |
| [12:32:41] | Yahooadam: | id stay clear if i could |
| [12:32:54] | Yahooadam: | dunno why their having so many issues, or why they made it |
| [12:33:14] | ** Yahooadam dances over free shipping from scan ** | |
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| [12:34:16] | Yahooadam: | Haupp 289 WinTV Nova-T 500 MCE £53.39 (exvat) |
| [12:34:26] | Yahooadam: | that was from scan :) |
| [12:34:39] | Yahooadam: | but when you add £9 vat, £63 |
| [12:34:51] | juski: | Yahooadam: they're on todayonly for £39 inc |
| [12:35:26] | juski: | oops/ £46.99 inc vat |
| [12:35:27] | Yahooadam: | where ? |
| [12:35:29] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [12:35:52] | Yahooadam: | £52.75 inc vat on scan ... |
| [12:35:57] | Yahooadam: | for the TD model |
| [12:35:57] | juski: | but they only have the diversity version right now as I've said |
| [12:36:00] | juski: | Yahooadam: bullshit |
| [12:36:06] | juski: | http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/ |
| [12:36:23] | juski: | uski> 'diversity' meaning that it can choose the strongest signal from either or 2 aerials |
| [12:36:25] | Yahooadam: | ahhhh |
| [12:36:27] | juski: | bleh |
| [12:36:32] | juski: | http://www.scan.co.uk/products/productinfo.as . . . uctID=677265 |
| [12:36:40] | Yahooadam: | i see it, special offer today :) |
| [12:37:12] | Yahooadam: | if you look at the price on the right, it doesnt say the discounted price :p |
| [12:37:20] | directhex|work: | i get free shipping from scan |
| [12:37:23] | directhex|work: | which is handy |
| [12:37:28] | Yahooadam: | me too :) |
| [12:37:46] | Yahooadam: | its given them extra business :) |
| [12:37:56] | Yahooadam: | often makes them cheaper then competitors |
| [12:38:00] | juski: | only a half hour car journey for me |
| [12:38:10] | juski: | but I'd rather buy from Microdirect |
| [12:38:20] | directhex|work: | MD are okay, but lack free delivery |
| [12:38:32] | juski: | MD are close to where I live |
| [12:38:33] | Yahooadam: | i just got a FX5200 from MD |
| [12:38:41] | Yahooadam: | £3 postage is pretty ok |
| [12:38:44] | juski: | planetmicro even closer, but they're more expensive |
| [12:39:26] | Yahooadam: | http://www.scan.co.uk/products/productinfo.as . . . uctID=677284 |
| [12:39:35] | Yahooadam: | does that work with mythtv, looks like an interesting product |
| [12:40:09] | directhex|work: | http://www.mvpmc.org/ |
| [12:40:38] | juski: | limitations outnumber the advantages in my case |
| [12:41:09] | directhex|work: | doesn't look any slower than an epia to me ;) |
| [12:41:10] | Yahooadam: | directhex|work – cheers :) |
| [12:41:43] | juski: | directhex|work: not much could possibly be slower than an epia |
| [12:42:16] | directhex|work: | juski, the m40/m25 junction at rush hour? |
| [12:42:17] | juski: | http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(16738)Hauppauge . . . Profile.aspx – but they can be tricky with returns |
| [12:42:17] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [12:43:06] | juski: | I really can't wait to consign the naff epia box to the Fleabay |
| [12:43:35] | Yahooadam: | he he juski :) |
| [12:43:56] | Yahooadam: | yo |
| [12:44:00] | Yahooadam: | doh wrong window |
| [12:44:03] | ** juski ponders buying a nova-t500 from MD then if it turns out to be a TD version & they give me the usual hassle when I return it, I'll schtick em with trades descriptions ** | |
| [12:44:19] | Yahooadam: | i would :D |
| [12:44:28] | Yahooadam: | better for you cos u can walk in and cause a fuss |
| [12:44:57] | juski: | I've known 2 people who used to work for them & both have said they tend to just put returns back into stock untested |
| [12:45:46] | juski: | ordinarily I'd say that was a sharp practise but you know what DIY PC makers can be like |
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| [12:48:24] | juski: | returned a faulty SD card once & got stuck behind some dweeb who was arguing the toss over .5fps comparing his new system to a benchmark on some gaming site |
| [12:48:36] | Yahooadam: | LOL |
| [12:48:49] | Yahooadam: | probably not even the gfx card |
| [12:48:59] | Yahooadam: | hell the HDD coult make .5fps difference |
| [12:49:36] | directhex|work: | statistical noise would make a bigger gap than that |
| [12:49:39] | juski: | after the 1st half hour I started wishing I had a gun |
| [12:51:10] | Yahooadam: | i would have told him to put the computer back in the box, and get rid of it if hes that n00b |
| [12:52:00] | Yahooadam: | oh RT _finally_ fixed their XMLTV listings |
| [12:52:00] | directhex|work: | hm, halfway through my word target, and haven't even installed myth yet |
| [12:53:00] | Yahooadam: | word target ? |
| [12:54:06] | Yahooadam: | sigh, why do companies stick labels on saying "ROHS Compliant" |
| [12:54:22] | juski: | so you know they're safe to feed to kids |
| [12:54:27] | willcooke: | I read somewhere that Hauppaugue will swap the diversity one for the other sort FOC |
| [12:54:35] | Yahooadam: | do i really care? what difference does it make if they didn't use the tiniest bit of lead in their solder |
| [12:54:42] | juski: | willcooke: me too, but it's a ballache |
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| [12:54:46] | directhex|work: | Yahooadam, standard article, 3k words |
| [12:55:08] | Yahooadam: | more lead gets into the planet from lead covered roofs then electronics equipment |
| [12:55:11] | willcooke: | juski, that it is! unless you live in that London and you can call in at their offices |
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| [12:55:56] | juski: | Yahooadam: maybe so but that's not the point when there's money to be made making legislation |
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| [12:56:29] | Yahooadam: | its just so lame, they waste so much of everyones time and money from this shit |
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| [12:56:37] | juski: | anyway it's not just about lead |
| [12:56:46] | juski: | it's mercury & lithium too |
| [12:57:37] | Yahooadam: | Â This Directive bans the placing on the EU market of new electrical and electronic equipment containing more than agreed levels of lead, cadmium, mercury, hexavalent chromium, polybrominated biphenyl (PBB) and polybrominated diphenyl ether (PBDE) flame retardants. |
| [12:58:13] | Yahooadam: | it started being enforced well over a year ago |
| [12:58:39] | juski: | and as for all the stuff which acts like hormones – something really needs to be done |
| [12:58:49] | juski: | oh and actual hormones too |
| [13:00:10] | Yahooadam: | jeez how long does it take mythfilldatabase to run :o |
| [13:00:16] | Yahooadam: | its been atleast 30 mins |
| [13:00:26] | juski: | dunno. rarely that long |
| [13:00:35] | juski: | not since mythtv 0.17 anyway :) |
| [13:01:17] | Yahooadam: | i need to update mythtv, when i replace my xbox frontend i will swtich to ubuntu proposed methinks |
| [13:01:40] | juski: | last mythfilldatabase run started on 2007-09–27 07:39 and ended on 2007-09–27 07:48 |
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| [13:03:55] | juski: | hmm I wonder whatever happened to that order for 20 VFDs I placed before I went on holiday... |
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| [13:10:09] | Yahooadam: | finally finished updating |
| [13:10:14] | Yahooadam: | but it broke the database again |
| [13:10:37] | Yahooadam: | http://pastebin.com/d710723a |
| [13:10:57] | Yahooadam: | well after its finished recording ill truncate that table and start again |
| [13:11:11] | juski: | muh? since when was Top Gear ever on on Tuesday night? |
| [13:13:16] | juski: | ah that's ok it's only a repeat |
| [13:13:52] | juski: | and now the only conflicts are Tales Of The Unexpected |
| [13:14:14] | juski: | I can very much live with that :) |
| [13:17:37] | juski: | oh noes! last episode of The IT Crowd tomorrow :( |
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| [13:18:27] | Yahooadam: | is there a way to tell the backend to reschedule without killing it ? |
| [13:18:46] | juski: | don't think so |
| [13:18:59] | juski: | anyway it'll do it after a mythfilldatabase |
| [13:19:11] | juski: | or rather mythfilldatabase will tell it to |
| [13:19:16] | Yahooadam: | yeah but as mythfilldatabase breaks the database, and i have to repair it every time it runs |
| [13:19:33] | Yahooadam: | and then i have to tell mythbackend to reschedule, usually by restating it |
| [13:20:04] | juski: | what's mythfilldatabase breaking? |
| [13:20:48] | Yahooadam: | programs database |
| [13:20:53] | Yahooadam: | i pastebinned the repair output above |
| [13:21:21] | juski: | wtf? |
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| [13:23:53] | Lunar_Lamp: | I currently have one of those MCE remote controls and it's working fine for my mythtv setup, however I want to get an all-in-one remote to replace it and several others. |
| [13:24:15] | juski: | better make sure the new remote supports all the remotes then eh |
| [13:24:17] | Lunar_Lamp: | Is tehre anything I should be cautious about, or will the USB IR receiver be fine with other remotes? |
| [13:24:49] | juski: | be aware that a lot of so-called 'universal learning' remotes can't actually learn that many different functions |
| [13:25:01] | Yahooadam: | the reciever should be fine lunar_lamp |
| [13:25:03] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, I figured they would be nicely programmable :-/ |
| [13:25:14] | Yahooadam: | if your new remote is 56hz or whatever |
| [13:25:31] | juski: | my OFA-6 made by OneForAll is 'universal' and 'learns' but only up to a point |
| [13:25:35] | juski: | like about 10 buttons |
| [13:25:42] | directhex|work: | harmony! |
| [13:25:53] | Yahooadam: | bah |
| [13:25:53] | juski: | Yahooadam: if you can't talk facts, sssh |
| [13:26:27] | Yahooadam: | i think the reciever is fine no matter what remote, but its defintly ok for the 56hz ones (or whatever they are) |
| [13:26:31] | juski: | but, a lot of these 'universal' remotes can be reprogrammed to do any remote with the helkp of a PC |
| [13:26:31] | Lunar_Lamp: | juski: Yahooadam was wrong? |
| [13:26:56] | juski: | the MCE remotes use a carrier frequency of 38khz just like the majority of consumer remotes |
| [13:27:11] | Yahooadam: | ah :p |
| [13:27:28] | Yahooadam: | oh 56hz is the one thats different |
| [13:27:29] | juski: | very few manufacturers stray from 38khz |
| [13:27:35] | Yahooadam: | Khz # |
| [13:27:39] | juski: | 56 KILO hertz |
| [13:27:43] | Yahooadam: | i though it was 36KHz ? |
| [13:27:54] | rooaus: | unless you are Bang & Olufsen who use 455kHz |
| [13:28:07] | juski: | and Pace who sometimes use something like IrDA |
| [13:28:41] | defaultro: | juski, btw, the make clean 2 days ago worked |
| [13:28:53] | juski: | anyway Lunar_Lamp so long as you program the new remote to emulate the same remote as the MCE one it'll work fine with the receiver |
| [13:29:02] | Lunar_Lamp: | juski: ok, thanks :-) |
| [13:29:23] | juski: | Lunar_Lamp: but like I said beware not all universal remotes are created equal |
| [13:29:46] | Lunar_Lamp: | juski: I assume it's a case of "the more you pay, the more you get"? |
| [13:30:06] | Yahooadam: | as directhex|work said – harmony remotes :) |
| [13:30:22] | Yahooadam: | except i believe u need winblows |
| [13:30:39] | juski: | remotes with menus. PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT |
| [13:30:40] | Yahooadam: | to set it up that is |
| [13:30:57] | Lunar_Lamp: | Yeah, setup requiring windows isn't really a viable option here. |
| [13:30:59] | juski: | and Yahooadam is right about the harmony remotes. you need windows |
| [13:31:07] | juski: | not linux & wine, WINDOWS |
| [13:31:35] | Lunar_Lamp: | OK, thanks for the advice people. |
| [13:32:06] | Yahooadam: | stupid logitech |
| [13:32:11] | ** Yahooadam bitchslaps logitech ** | |
| [13:32:18] | defaultro: | what's wrong with harmony remotes because I'm planning to buy one? |
| [13:32:29] | juski: | defaultro: you need to configure them in Windows |
| [13:32:39] | juski: | no way around it |
| [13:32:39] | defaultro: | I still don't get it |
| [13:32:52] | juski: | defaultro: they're useless out of the box |
| [13:32:59] | juski: | you need a PC to configure them |
| [13:33:05] | juski: | running windows |
| [13:33:11] | defaultro: | hmmmm |
| [13:33:22] | Yahooadam: | the remote is USB, you connect it to your PC and load the software |
| [13:33:24] | juski: | least AFAIK that's how it is |
| [13:33:33] | Yahooadam: | and the software then allows you to add devices, setup profiles, etc etc |
| [13:33:36] | defaultro: | oh |
| [13:33:42] | juski: | I don't think you can type a code number in to get it to emulate remotes for different stuff |
| [13:33:57] | defaultro: | so it's not something similar to regular remote control which can start sending signals? |
| [13:34:49] | defaultro: | I had an empression that harmony remotes have preset signals per button |
| [13:34:57] | Yahooadam: | not that i know of |
| [13:35:25] | defaultro: | so from what I am seeing here, it has to learn the signals first before you can use it |
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| [13:36:16] | juski: | more like it needs a windows app to tell it how to behave |
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| [13:36:34] | juski: | easy way to find out. download the manual |
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| [13:36:48] | rooaus: | defaultro: Not that I know, you use their software to tell it you have a Model 123 TV, Model 456 DVD player etc, it then downloads that config into the remote and you can use it. |
| [13:36:49] | defaultro: | yep, that's what I'm going to do. I'll also ask my officemate later |
| [13:36:59] | defaultro: | ouch |
| [13:37:27] | Yahooadam: | rooaus is right :) |
| [13:37:34] | defaultro: | I need a remote which will allow us to code our own signals which then I will tell irw to capture it |
| [13:37:43] | Yahooadam: | it also has an IR reciever so you can point your remotes at it and it can pick them up and record them |
| [13:38:09] | defaultro: | i'm also looking for a different way |
| [13:38:11] | rooaus: | There used to be an online demo you could try of the configuration software, maybe it is still available. |
| [13:38:22] | Yahooadam: | defaultro, you can just tell it to be a MCE remote, and it will work |
| [13:38:47] | defaultro: | don't know what MCE is |
| [13:39:05] | defaultro: | you mean, grab MCE and have harmony learn it |
| [13:39:14] | juski: | "Simply connect your Harmony remote to your computer, and the set up wizard will walk you through the step-by-step process. " |
| [13:39:35] | defaultro: | also, does it allow us to type our own button label? |
| [13:39:47] | juski: | button labels are printed on the remote |
| [13:39:54] | defaultro: | I saw a harmony with lcd panel |
| [13:40:00] | juski: | they're for menus |
| [13:40:06] | defaultro: | can we change it? |
| [13:40:09] | juski: | it's not like a Pronto ya know |
| [13:40:10] | Yahooadam: | i think there is an all LCD remote |
| [13:40:12] | defaultro: | ah |
| [13:40:15] | Yahooadam: | by harmony |
| [13:40:18] | defaultro: | maybe, Pronto is what I need |
| [13:40:42] | juski: | oh yeah there's one here: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/uni . . . amp;cl=gb,en |
| [13:40:53] | juski: | 279 quid! |
| [13:40:55] | defaultro: | i need a label like this, send MB HD Box 1 |
| [13:41:01] | juski: | for a ducking remote!!!! |
| [13:41:10] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [13:41:10] | defaultro: | MB is master bedroom |
| [13:41:26] | Yahooadam: | they are blooming expensive juski |
| [13:41:43] | juski: | more than my frontend cost |
| [13:41:45] | defaultro: | or send SDBox3 to FamRoom |
| [13:42:00] | defaultro: | I was hoping we can type our own labels |
| [13:42:10] | Yahooadam: | if its all LCD, i epect you can defaultro |
| [13:42:15] | defaultro: | ah, cool |
| [13:42:23] | juski: | you can only do that on the most expensive one |
| [13:42:27] | defaultro: | ok |
| [13:42:29] | Yahooadam: | make sure u read up b4 u buy though :) |
| [13:42:30] | juski: | in theory. maybe their software stops you |
| [13:42:35] | defaultro: | yes |
| [13:42:41] | defaultro: | I will have to find a different one |
| [13:42:45] | juski: | I know Pronto definitely let you make your own button graphics |
| [13:42:52] | defaultro: | i just want the remote to be wife-friendly |
| [13:42:52] | juski: | all of them |
| [13:43:02] | defaultro: | and for the kids as well |
| [13:43:04] | juski: | so don't get a fugging touch screen one then |
| [13:43:05] | rooaus: | juski: all of his wives? |
| [13:43:08] | defaultro: | nope |
| [13:43:17] | defaultro: | just labels on screen and buttons on side |
| [13:43:23] | juski: | no such thing |
| [13:43:27] | defaultro: | oh |
| [13:45:16] | juski: | anyway for multi-room stuff you're best off having a remote per room for simplicity |
| [13:45:22] | juski: | esp. where wives are concerned |
| [13:45:29] | defaultro: | that's true |
| [13:45:44] | juski: | my wife gets confused enough having to press 'TV' to turn the remote into a TV remote etc |
| [13:45:49] | defaultro: | but for me, I would like to utilize all the wires i have installed |
| [13:45:57] | defaultro: | same thing here :D |
| [13:46:12] | defaultro: | because I am using my tv's remote for myhtv |
| [13:46:18] | juski: | and a remote per room means that somebody in another room can't 'accidentally' screw around with the room you're in |
| [13:46:24] | defaultro: | i had lirc capture the codes :D |
| [13:46:52] | juski: | found a good pronto on ebay – only mono display but it does up to 76khz, 455khz & RF |
| [13:47:04] | defaultro: | that's why, i have a label like ComcastBox1 -> FamRoom |
| [13:47:16] | juski: | sounds confuzzling |
| [13:47:17] | defaultro: | so they know that it's going to be sent to FamRoom |
| [13:47:20] | defaultro: | it is :P |
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| [13:47:32] | defaultro: | but they'll get use to it |
| [13:47:35] | juski: | WTF do you want to be able to control rooms you're not even in for? |
| [13:47:40] | defaultro: | i am |
| [13:47:44] | defaultro: | i have autopatch 1ydm |
| [13:48:06] | defaultro: | i have 5 rg6quad and 3 catpe per room |
| [13:48:13] | juski: | so? |
| [13:48:17] | defaultro: | all coming from basement |
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| [13:48:20] | rooaus: | juski: Outdoor speakers, amp in the living room type setup |
| [13:48:20] | juski: | why not just one remote per room? |
| [13:48:31] | juski: | fucking stupid if you ask me |
| [13:48:32] | defaultro: | because all of the devices will be in the basement |
| [13:48:44] | juski: | oh yeah _thats_ efficient |
| [13:49:10] | defaultro: | and i have already configured linux to control autopatch using minicom commands or echo > /dev/ttys0 :D |
| [13:49:19] | psycodad: | hello, anybody knows what happened to streamzap in Europe (its not available at any store anymore) or does have a recommendation for a remote that is similar easy/plug-n-play to user with Mythtv ? |
| [13:49:21] | defaultro: | and it does control my autopatch well |
| [13:49:28] | juski: | definitely sounds like a job for a Pronto anyway |
| [13:49:41] | juski: | the logitech PoS would be er.. too much of a PITA |
| [13:49:43] | defaultro: | yep, thanks for the recommendation. I will look for it in ebay ;) |
| [13:49:54] | defaultro: | yep, thanks for the Pronto recommendation. I will look for it in ebay ;) |
| [13:50:19] | defaultro: | and last night, i finally got my CRT projector :) woohoo for $50 |
| [13:50:30] | juski: | see we who live in the UK don't get this whole house stuff, cos we live in houses with only 6 rooms |
| [13:50:55] | juski: | and houses whose floorplans occupy less than half an acre ;) |
| [13:51:19] | rooaus: | defaultro: the other one is a marantz, nearly the same hardware but different firmware to the pronto |
| [13:51:41] | juski: | difference being with pronto I think you can program em in linux |
| [13:51:49] | juski: | er.. with linux.. not put linux on em |
| [13:51:58] | juski: | not that I'd be surprised if you could |
| [13:52:39] | juski: | heh if you really wanna give yourself an anneurism, get a tablet PC to use as the remote & go for linuxmce <guffaw> |
| [13:52:46] | rooaus: | juski: Didn't know that, scratch Marantz if that is the case |
| [13:53:09] | defaultro: | ok |
| [13:53:37] | juski: | roflmao the modern prontos DO run linux already |
| [13:56:19] | juski: | ah prontoeditpro software runs under wine, not in linux |
| [13:57:25] | juski: | wow. I could have weeks of fun theming pronto remotes. some support PNGs with transparency :D |
| [14:00:30] | juski: | there's a platform agnostic config editor called tonto but apparently it's been inactive for some time |
| [14:01:22] | rooaus: | check out http://www.pronto.philips.com/library/documen . . . 00_UK_A4.pdf does ir and has a web browser from memory with 802.11. Over $1000 here I think! |
| [14:01:56] | juski: | http://www.pronto.philips.com/index.cfm?id=1303 – nice! |
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| [14:04:12] | laga: | re |
| [14:05:27] | rooaus: | laga: hi |
| [14:05:41] | laga: | hi roo |
| [14:05:45] | laga: | +aus |
| [14:06:52] | juski: | :-O Pronto RU990 is over 500 quid! |
| [14:07:30] | juski: | mono one is over 250 quid |
| [14:07:35] | juski: | jesus |
| [14:07:47] | laga: | juski: just asked scorpi about the apple mini remote. the lirc mac mini driver won't recognize remotes other than the shipped one properly. |
| [14:08:19] | juski: | laga: I know. but it'll recognise codes sent in the same protocol |
| [14:08:27] | juski: | and there are 255 button codes |
| [14:08:28] | laga: | juski: looks like you can recalibrate the apple remote, though, to make it send slightly different codes. you can use them with a learnable (?) remote |
| [14:08:31] | laga: | ah, right |
| [14:08:34] | Lunar_Lamp: | juski: stop posting these cool (expensive) remotes as I'm shopping for one. You're making life very difficult for me :p |
| [14:08:57] | juski: | the one I posted the link to is over 700 quid |
| [14:09:03] | juski: | makes a tablet PC look cheap |
| [14:09:09] | Lunar_Lamp: | Yeah, that one is pretty easy to ignore ;-) |
| [14:09:32] | juski: | 799.96 GBP to be precise! |
| [14:10:19] | Lunar_Lamp: | THat's 3x what my entire myth setup cost, easily – probably a lot more. |
| [14:10:21] | juski: | for way less than that you could get an n800, program it to talk to a machine on the network which squirts out IR blaster things |
| [14:10:41] | rooaus: | juski: Yeah, what did you say you could get a mac mini for? lol |
| [14:10:48] | juski: | £399 |
| [14:11:43] | rooaus: | I guess people are willing to pay it. |
| [14:11:44] | juski: | laga: what about the TV out? does PAL tvout with the DVI-video adapter work in linux? can't find anything about it |
| [14:13:21] | laga: | juski: scorpi doesn't know |
| [14:13:35] | rooaus: | juski: Is it a regular/common ir protocol or some oddball variant with weird timing? |
| [14:13:36] | juski: | I suspect the number of people running linux on mac minis is very low |
| [14:13:41] | juski: | rooaus: RC5 |
| [14:13:45] | rooaus: | cool |
| [14:13:57] | juski: | rooaus: I have all the codes at home ready to squirt into my remote |
| [14:14:12] | rooaus: | jp1 ftw |
| [14:14:40] | juski: | no stupid web-side software :) |
| [14:15:00] | juski: | it's easily the neatest java program I've ever used, remotemaster |
| [14:15:00] | rooaus: | true |
| [14:16:15] | juski: | from the output irrecord gives, I can work out what to put into remotemaster to put into my remote |
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| [14:22:00] | |Torg|: | is there any way to switch and app between displays from say :0.0 to :0.1? |
| [14:24:45] | ** juski sets up a search for Dog Borstal ** | |
| [14:27:58] | juski: | and of course there's always.. run the output from my serial lirc receiver upstairs & send lirc over the network! duh! so easy |
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| [14:33:44] | rooaus: | there is http://www.irtrans.de/en/shop/lan.php also, but 145 euro is a bit rich |
| [14:33:56] | |Torg|: | comon I know there are people who run dual headed non xinerama boxes :) |
| [14:34:42] | juski: | rooaus: oh I know about external warts but I'd prefer not to |
| [14:35:01] | laga: | tomimo: i read some window managers can do that using some kind of hack, but it's not really meant to be donje |
| [14:35:05] | laga: | done* |
| [14:35:22] | laga: | err, i mean |Torg| |
| [14:35:33] | laga: | ffs, get rid of these silly pipes. this is nof quakenet |
| [14:36:15] | |Torg|: | im just want to have the functionality of twinview/xinerama without xinerama |
| [14:36:22] | ** directhex|work fires a rocket at laga ** | |
| [14:36:24] | |Torg|: | it breaks randr and a few other apps I have |
| [14:36:30] | rooaus: | juski: Especially when a mini is so slick. |
| [14:37:03] | |Torg|: | so I run 0.0, 0.1 and 0.2 (well am) and wanted to run a program that said move this app to 0.1 for example |
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| [14:41:59] | juski: | rooaus: yup |
| [14:42:22] | juski: | I can get around the audio output problem with an IR blaster and/or remote macros |
| [14:42:58] | juski: | not farking about with external audio adapters. again, especially when the mini is so slick |
| [14:46:40] | directhex|work: | |Torg|, xmove ( i think it's called)? |
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| [14:49:32] | |Torg|: | directhex|work: thanks! |
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| [15:02:01] | juski: | bah I need to author a dvd for work & I've not got any nice tools handy |
| [15:05:07] | philip__: | guys |
| [15:05:17] | laga: | dude |
| [15:05:20] | philip__: | which pci dvb-c card would you recommend? |
| [15:05:37] | philip__: | for use with linux |
| [15:05:52] | juski: | see www.linuxtv.org |
| [15:06:21] | juski: | and if you're in the UK forget all about using DVB-C because you'd be breaking your contract with the cable company |
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| [15:09:55] | philip__: | hm, im not in the uk, but that made me curious |
| [15:10:05] | philip__: | why do people in the uk have problems with dvb-c? |
| [15:10:12] | Dibblah: | They don't. |
| [15:10:19] | jduggan: | the cabco says no |
| [15:10:26] | |Torg|: | they have problems with xmltv :P |
| [15:10:32] | Dibblah: | They have problems with the abusively dominant cable providers ;) |
| [15:10:34] | philip__: | wtf? |
| [15:10:37] | Dibblah: | xmltv is fine. |
| [15:10:56] | philip__: | so they deliver a dvb-c signal, but subscribers must not use it? |
| [15:11:01] | Dibblah: | uk_rt has a _very_ few shortcomings. But it's a good, reliable source. |
| [15:11:10] | Dibblah: | philip__: Must use their boxes to see it. |
| [15:11:11] | jduggan: | philip__: only with their own stb |
| [15:11:18] | |Torg|: | not in use, in configureation Dibblah |
| [15:11:38] | philip__: | Dibblah: and they would notice if you don't? |
| [15:12:07] | Dibblah: | You're technically not allowed to connect _anything_ apart from devices provided by Virgin to their network. |
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| [15:12:19] | CaptObviousman: | poop on Virgin |
| [15:12:28] | jduggan: | philip__: its not a case of them noticing, its #mythtv not wanting to talk about illegal activities ;] |
| [15:12:30] | Dibblah: | Which is exceedingly funny, since they offer radio over the cable. |
| [15:12:39] | |Torg|: | isnt Virgin Murdoch? |
| [15:12:41] | Dibblah: | It's not illegal. |
| [15:12:43] | jduggan: | no |
| [15:12:47] | Dibblah: | It's breach of contract. |
| [15:12:48] | CaptObviousman: | no, Virgin is Branson |
| [15:12:59] | Dibblah: | Sky is Murdoch. |
| [15:13:13] | jduggan: | Dibblah: its illegal to virgin ;] |
| [15:13:30] | |Torg|: | jduggan: only the MPAA can make up fake laws |
| [15:13:42] | jduggan: | heh |
| [15:13:46] | Dibblah: | ... And the US govt ;) |
| [15:14:08] | CaptObviousman: | ah, if the US govt passes a law, it's hardly fake |
| [15:14:15] | ** CaptObviousman sads ** | |
| [15:14:17] | |Torg|: | no Dibblah there not fake, just facist |
| [15:14:32] | Dibblah: | We have the right to tap your phones... Because we have the army. So nya nya. |
| [15:14:59] | |Torg|: | Dibblah: its not the army, at least most of them have morals, its the department of homeland secruity |
| [15:15:06] | |Torg|: | they took the idea from teh brown shirts |
| [15:15:15] | |Torg|: | its not like Bush as origional ideas you know :P |
| [15:15:21] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
| [15:15:42] | Dibblah: | However, apologies. This isn't particularly OT :) |
| [15:15:58] | |Torg|: | yes, sorry |
| [15:16:05] | ** |Torg| goes and sites in the OT corner ** | |
| [15:17:33] | |Torg|: | is asking someone for an epiode you failed to record considers illegal? |
| [15:17:57] | directhex|work: | technically, by uk law, yes |
| [15:18:09] | |Torg|: | by US law I suspect as well |
| [15:18:31] | |Torg|: | I woke up this morning to find my mysql server refusing connections |
| [15:18:47] | |Torg|: | alas I did not reocrd two pilots last night |
| [15:19:38] | Dibblah: | Not another Piper fan, please. |
| [15:19:56] | |Torg|: | Dibblah: I dont know what your talking about :P |
| [15:20:11] | Dibblah: | Believe me, that's a good thing. |
| [15:20:45] | |Torg|: | I live in the US, so I dont watch your UK drivvel :P |
| [15:21:26] | juski: | in the big picture it's hardly the worst thing that'll ever grace an ITV channel |
| [15:22:40] | |Torg|: | oh youve never seen differnt strokes |
| [15:22:44] | |Torg|: | I assure you there is worse |
| [15:23:06] | juski: | I said it's hardly the worst thing |
| [15:23:23] | Dibblah: | Admittedly, I've not seen it yet. |
| [15:23:24] | juski: | meaning there is plenty which has been – and plenty that will be – worse |
| [15:23:36] | juski: | I mean it's I T V ffs |
| [15:23:40] | ** directhex|work throws gary coleman at |Torg| ** | |
| [15:23:45] | ** jams kicks dirt at html/css ** | |
| [15:23:54] | juski: | looking on the bright side, at least it doesn't have that c*** Lee Evans in it |
| [15:23:58] | ** |Torg| punts him back ** | |
| [15:24:25] | directhex|work: | oh i hate lee evans |
| [15:25:06] | |Torg|: | the comedian? (well I guess its whatever is your idea of comedy) |
| [15:25:17] | directhex|work: | "comedian" |
| [15:25:27] | juski: | the bloke who acts like an unfunny Norman Wisdom. |
| [15:25:36] | juski: | oops – that appears to be an oxymoron |
| [15:26:24] | juski: | bah. I want to make a looping single title dvd |
| [15:26:58] | |Torg|: | I can't spell or type :P |
| [15:28:53] | |Torg|: | hmm if a torent for a show does nto exist does that attest to how much it sucks? |
| [15:29:02] | juski: | yes |
| [15:29:05] | juski: | truly |
| [15:29:31] | ** CaptObviousman lurks ** | |
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| [15:30:02] | |Torg|: | maybe its a good thing I didnt record them then |
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| [15:30:57] | |Torg|: | on a more mythtv topic, is it posible to record a show without a database connection? |
| [15:31:33] | juski: | nope |
| [15:31:41] | laga: | yes, but probably not with mythtv |
| [15:31:41] | philip__: | you are not allowed to ask people you know for a record of an episode? |
| [15:32:03] | juski: | philip__: sharing TV is bad |
| [15:32:05] | juski: | BAD |
| [15:32:07] | juski: | B A D |
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| [15:32:22] | |Torg|: | its called rebordacsting (well at least thats whats claimed) and that act is illegal |
| [15:32:41] | |Torg|: | technically I dont even think its legal for me to record something then invite you over to watch |
| [15:32:58] | |Torg|: | hell if the MPAA had its way we would pay per minute use every time we turn on the TV |
| [15:33:07] | philip__: | with US laws, everything is possible |
| [15:33:09] | philip__: | but uk? |
| [15:33:13] | philip__: | i don't believe that |
| [15:33:26] | juski: | philip__: it's technically illegal to record something & send it to somebody else |
| [15:33:39] | Yahooadam: | i think the legality of recording it is dubious enough |
| [15:33:41] | juski: | whether that be on DVD, VHS or anything else |
| [15:34:00] | philip__: | juski: like the bbc asking dr. who fans to give out their long lost recordings of some episodes which the bbc doesnt have anymore? |
| [15:34:06] | juski: | recording it is illegal too by the letter of the law – it's just turned a blind eye to |
| [15:34:19] | juski: | philip__: that doesn't mean it's legal |
| [15:34:23] | philip__: | juski: in austria, recording tv is perfectly legal |
| [15:34:28] | |Torg|: | juski: the UK dosnt have fair use laws? |
| [15:34:32] | juski: | nope |
| [15:34:32] | philip__: | and it is also legal to share your recording with friends |
| [15:34:59] | philip__: | even if they can'T receive the programme themselves |
| [15:35:06] | juski: | well since this is an international channel, and it's LOGGED, you'll be wise to keep conversation directed at LEGAL subjects |
| [15:35:42] | laga: | is it legal what the RIAA are doing these days, lawsuits and all? ;) |
| [15:35:55] | |Torg|: | legal, yes. based on fact no |
| [15:36:02] | AndyCap: | laga: nah, but they have the money to pay people off |
| [15:36:03] | laga: | true enough |
| [15:36:06] | |Torg|: | heel anyone can sue anyone for anything |
| [15:36:22] | directhex|work: | the uk explicitly bans recording things from the teevee, with an exception given for the act of "timeshifting", i.e. recording something to view later at a more convenient time |
| [15:36:33] | directhex|work: | archiving things isn't allowed, because that's not timeshifting is it |
| [15:36:45] | |Torg|: | you did notice they only go after those who really do not understand the technolgy, like single mothers of 3 |
| [15:36:53] | juski: | ah so that's why mytharchive is so hard to use |
| [15:37:13] | philip__: | directhex|work: wtf. thanks for letting me know |
| [15:37:13] | cesman: | "Each of these my three babies..." |
| [15:37:16] | |Torg|: | directhex|work: I dont archive, im just too lazy about deletion |
| [15:38:01] | juski: | recording TV was almost completely illegal & it _would_ be if Sony had lost its court case back in the late 70s |
| [15:38:14] | philip__: | thankfully, the uk tries a lot of shit, so the rest of the world doesn't have to |
| [15:38:19] | philip__: | like complete video surveillance |
| [15:38:27] | philip__: | just to see that crime rates don't drop |
| [15:38:27] | juski: | oh you're getting it too |
| [15:38:30] | AndyCap: | juski: ah, the jack the ripper case. |
| [15:38:46] | |Torg|: | yes reocring terriots who bomb tunnels i real good prevention :P |
| [15:38:59] | juski: | cctv is invaluable in catching the perps after they've done the crime, no farking use in prevention |
| [15:39:14] | juski: | nobody ever said it was used for prevention |
| [15:39:19] | AndyCap: | juski: that's why we need dna profiling. |
| [15:39:22] | philip__: | juski: i read something about that it doesn't help with catching either |
| [15:39:30] | |Torg|: | I dont even think it does very well in determance either |
| [15:39:31] | juski: | oh it does |
| [15:39:34] | laga: | CCTV is invaluable for police state, right |
| [15:39:38] | laga: | so is thought control |
| [15:39:40] | juski: | I'm up in court next month |
| [15:39:46] | philip__: | lol |
| [15:40:02] | juski: | 3 kids set fire to a factory & killed a guy asleep out the back |
| [15:40:25] | AndyCap: | laga: well, some UK cameras are just a display away from a 1984 telescreen |
| [15:40:26] | juski: | they were caught on cctv. i rescued the HDDs from the burnt-out unit & recovered the images |
| [15:40:41] | philip__: | someone recently told me about a study that the clear-up rate didn't change much |
| [15:41:05] | juski: | the only people who whine about invasion of their privacyu have stuff to hide |
| [15:41:11] | philip__: | juski: yeah, but those kids have always been caught, remember? |
| [15:41:21] | philip__: | someone starts to brag, someone gets caught |
| [15:41:29] | philip__: | someone is ridden with guilt, someone gets caught |
| [15:41:31] | CaptObviousman: | juski: no, not quite |
| [15:41:37] | juski: | philip__: they set fire to a building and killed a guy. the cctv helped them own up |
| [15:41:38] | philip__: | no reason to just suspect everyone of anything |
| [15:41:39] | ** CaptObviousman won't argue with you, but that's completely false ** | |
| [15:41:58] | juski: | and if this gets any more off farking topic.. |
| [15:42:00] | philip__: | juski: yeah, but my point is, the police could've done it without |
| [15:42:09] | philip__: | ok ok |
| [15:42:10] | philip__: | :) |
| [15:42:15] | juski: | everybody's a fucking expert these days |
| [15:42:19] | philip__: | 7join #bashcctv |
| [15:42:20] | philip__: | ;) |
| [15:42:21] | juski: | they know fuck all about nowt |
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| [15:43:33] | philip__: | to be more on-topic, |Torg|: did you notice my query? |
| [15:44:24] | |Torg|: | anout recoding episodes? |
| [15:44:43] | philip__: | just read the queryß? :) |
| [15:45:21] | |Torg|: | ok then I missed it, what was your question? |
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| [15:45:38] | Yahooadam: | you have to be authed to send querys |
| [15:45:52] | philip__: | ah damn |
| [15:45:55] | philip__: | thanks for reminding me |
| [15:46:04] | |Torg|: | oh you meant like private messages |
| [15:46:12] | |Torg|: | altho technialy all this is private mesages too |
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| [15:53:45] | rooaus: | 'night |
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| [15:54:22] | meshugga: | btw, did anyone of you guys try mythtv AND vdr? |
| [15:55:25] | directhex|work: | meshugga, at the same time? |
| [15:55:41] | meshugga: | no :) |
| [15:55:48] | georgek: | I having them running at the same time on the same box (using diff adapters) :) |
| [15:56:07] | meshugga: | and where is the difference? |
| [15:56:15] | georgek: | Oh boy, where you start with that one... |
| [15:56:36] | meshugga: | vdr seemed to me |
| [15:56:37] | laga: | someone actually used VDR as recording/playback engine with the UI of mythtv |
| [15:56:45] | meshugga: | it doesnt target cards w/o video out |
| [15:56:54] | laga: | we banned him from the forums later since he didn't really behave, heh |
| [15:57:03] | directhex|work: | it doesn't force a fully-featured card anymore |
| [15:57:27] | meshugga: | ok, so whats the difference then? |
| [15:57:46] | meshugga: | why would one use vdr instead of mythtv and vice versa |
| [15:57:48] | georgek: | vdr's focal point is dvb capture/tuner cards. |
| [15:58:20] | meshugga: | wasnt that the thing with mythtv too? |
| [15:58:31] | georgek: | it was designed around full featured dvb cards with onboard mpeg decoding and interfaces directly with yuor tv via composite video or svideo. |
| [15:59:39] | laga: | softdevice? |
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| [16:00:14] | georgek: | well, to utilize a 'budget' dvb card (lacks the mpeg decoder), you need to utilize an mpeg rendering plugin like vdr-softdevice or vdr-xine. |
| [16:02:11] | directhex|work: | "You can spend your money a better way, invite your girlfriend for a ice-cream or drink some beer with your friends." |
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| [16:02:48] | georgek: | vdr has full epg browesing and scheduling features. I think the main things that I like about mythtv over vdr is the concept of backends/frontends and how easy it is to manipulate the settings via sql however mythtv is 'fatter' as a result. |
| [16:03:39] | georgek: | mythtv has better search/scheduling tools. |
| [16:04:17] | georgek: | mythv seems to be more eye candy oriented too :) vdr is more functional in terms of presentation |
| [16:05:02] | georgek: | as to why I'm running vdr on the same box as my main myth backend is my streaming setup to the office is fantastic iwth vdr. |
| [16:06:57] | georgek: | I'm able to control vdr with a shell script, where I transcode via vlc /dev/video0 to divx and stream at half resolution @384kbs. I haven't found a workable solution equal to it with myth yet. |
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| [16:08:30] | laga: | georgek: you can stream recordings via mythweb in trunk. livetv is not possible (yet) |
| [16:08:51] | georgek: | laga, understood, I've explored that. |
| [16:09:06] | laga: | why do you need vdr to stream with vlc? |
| [16:09:12] | georgek: | transcoding |
| [16:10:52] | georgek: | Oh, why do I need vdr to stream with vlc? I like how I can control vdr and stream whatever vdr tells the dvb-s card to tune. |
| [16:11:37] | laga: | hum |
| [16:11:50] | laga: | should be possible with mythtv, too, but with some crude hacks |
| [16:12:04] | georgek: | as I'm using vdr with a full featured dvb card that already renders the mpeg, I can have vlc stream fed right from /dev/video0, and then have it transcode to divx and my desired bit rates. |
| [16:12:20] | georgek: | er at |
| [16:12:33] | laga: | what's /dev/video0? |
| [16:12:52] | georgek: | the v4l dev node of the rendered mpeg stream from the ff dvb card. |
| [16:14:27] | laga: | so. you're capturing a DVB stream, feeding the MPEG through the FF card's decoder and capturing the cnoded stream with vlc in order to trasncode it to divx? |
| [16:14:40] | georgek: | yes |
| [16:15:27] | laga: | why aren't you transcoding the mpeg2 directly? |
| [16:15:53] | georgek: | I'm feeding vlc the mpeg2 stream and having vlc transcode to divx is a lower bit rate. |
| [16:17:08] | georgek: | I don't know of a more direct method... |
| [16:18:49] | georgek: | the benefit of this method, is that I have access to the full vdr osd through the transcoded stream. |
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| [16:21:41] | juski: | I've seen more retarded ideas |
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| [16:22:37] | juski: | anyway well done for seeing VDR's UI as a 'benefit'. I guess somebody has to like how it looks :) |
| [16:23:40] | georgek: | it's functional, it works well. |
| [16:24:25] | juski: | if you say so |
| [16:24:39] | georgek: | yes, I say so |
| [16:25:11] | juski: | I hope one day consumer devices' UIs will look as nice as mythtv's |
| [16:26:10] | juski: | anyway VDR is all-in-one-box-or-nothing |
| [16:26:32] | juski: | that's what sold mythtv to me :) |
| [16:26:42] | georgek: | keep in mind that I come from using vdr for the past 5 years and still becoming acclimated to all that mythtv offers. |
| [16:27:03] | juski: | also VDR is synonymous with stealing paytv IMHO |
| [16:27:20] | georgek: | really? |
| [16:27:45] | juski: | that's the impression I've got of it yes |
| [16:28:06] | georgek: | I assure you, there are very legitimate uses. |
| [16:28:11] | juski: | search for any of the naughty tools & VDRs name keeps coming up |
| [16:28:17] | AndyCap: | georgek: there is a paytv stealing software project that has vdr in its name |
| [16:28:23] | AndyCap: | juski: well, so does myth's.. |
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| [16:29:24] | juski: | eek you're right. more results returned for mythtv than vdr too :( |
| [16:30:37] | AndyCap: | eew |
| [16:30:41] | GreyFoxx: | historically it was mostly vdr. but in the last year or so some people working on the sc stuff have made it easier to do with myth so people are jumping ship because they like myth better |
| [16:31:08] | AndyCap: | I'm guessing that vdr was first with DVB reception so the nasty people named it vdr-nasty |
| [16:31:20] | GreyFoxx: | as much as I don't approved of it, they are using some slick methods to make it "invisible" to myth |
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| [16:31:40] | juski: | GreyFoxx: that's only so they don't need to patch the code |
| [16:31:57] | GreyFoxx: | It's still a smart idea (the implementation, not the act) :) |
| [16:31:57] | juski: | no thief enjoys doing extra work ;) |
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| [16:33:17] | juski: | hmm might have to have some fun seeing if my scanner works in ubunut tonight |
| [16:33:30] | AndyCap: | image or radio? |
| [16:33:38] | juski: | image |
| [16:34:17] | juski: | radio scanner.. lol. what kind of anorak do you take me for? |
| [16:34:42] | AndyCap: | If it doesn't I guess the people at hamrick can sell you some software that works with it. :P |
| [16:35:00] | AndyCap: | anorak,hehe, haven't heard that one in a while |
| [16:35:14] | juski: | if it doesn't work I think I'll boot into the 'other' OS for half an hour |
| [16:35:23] | juski: | anyway – hometimeish |
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| [16:36:00] | GreyFoxx: | he got a dog :) |
| [16:36:24] | AndyCap: | cute one too |
| [16:37:34] | AndyCap: | and hopefully not completly mental like a flatcoated retriever. |
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| [16:38:11] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:38:38] | |Torg|: | does anyone know a way to list installed deb pacakges with size? |
| [16:40:30] | |Torg|: | forget it, I got it to work |
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| [17:35:48] | niter3: | oh yay.. Fantastic |
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| [17:35:59] | niter3: | Anyone try out linuxMCE? |
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| [17:42:18] | jams: | It has been discussed many times, unfortunately you missed the conversation. |
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| [17:44:01] | laga: | :> |
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| [18:18:00] | Phrenic: | Does anyone know why I keep getting read byte errors when I try to update mythfilldatabase? |
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| [18:22:46] | |Torg|: | bad drive |
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| [18:23:44] | biohazd: | hi guys |
| [18:23:57] | Phrenic: | hmm, I don't think that's it, it seems to be a networking issue |
| [18:23:57] | biohazd: | any idea wot options i can chnage to make my tv picture better |
| [18:24:07] | biohazd: | seems to be blurry when action is ahppening |
| [18:24:14] | biohazd: | nvida FX 5200 GFX |
| [18:24:21] | Phrenic: | I've never had any problems with the drive |
| [18:28:29] | |Torg|: | well what does your myth log say? what does dmesg say? and what does syslog say? |
| [18:31:03] | biohazd: | i shall take alook- thanks |
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| [18:33:17] | directhex: | he meant Phrenic |
| [18:33:35] | biohazd: | :) i woz wondering |
| [18:33:37] | directhex: | your problem... what's your display device? how are you connected? what deinterlacer are you using? |
| [18:33:57] | biohazd: | display device = sony 24 inch |
| [18:34:07] | biohazd: | svdieo out to scart on tv |
| [18:34:14] | biohazd: | deinterlacer- i have no idea :) |
| [18:34:34] | biohazd: | i have found a copy of somones xconf – so im looking into that now :) |
| [18:37:27] | Phrenic: | http://pastebin.com/md909167 |
| [18:38:23] | biohazd: | cool ta |
| [18:38:26] | biohazd: | here is my xorg |
| [18:38:27] | biohazd: | http://pastebin.ca/717548 |
| [18:38:58] | biohazd: | lol |
| [18:38:59] | directhex: | well composite is guaranteed to look shit, whatever you do |
| [18:39:13] | biohazd: | wot other options then ? svideo ? |
| [18:39:24] | directhex: | i use VGA |
| [18:39:30] | biohazd: | even on my pc monitor it loosk blurry |
| [18:39:35] | biohazd: | thats vga |
| [18:39:49] | biohazd: | so i think its a deinterlace option somewhere |
| [18:40:07] | biohazd: | or vsyncss |
| [18:40:16] | biohazd: | can you paste a copy of your xorg ? |
| [18:40:49] | directhex: | it isn't relevant to your setup, so there's not much point |
| [18:41:04] | biohazd: | ok ta |
| [18:41:12] | biohazd: | any idea of an online reasource ? |
| [18:41:20] | biohazd: | mythtv website ? nvidoe website ? |
| [18:41:30] | directhex: | you could try running nvidia-settings & enabling the flicker filter |
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| [18:41:37] | biohazd: | ok ta |
| [18:41:43] | biohazd: | do i need to reboot afetr editing that ? |
| [18:42:02] | directhex: | no |
| [18:42:09] | biohazd: | ok ta |
| [18:42:36] | biohazd: | sync to vblank ?? |
| [18:43:29] | kormoc: | biohazd, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_blanking_interval |
| [18:43:46] | biohazd: | cool ta |
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| [18:46:20] | AndyCap: | biohazd: and turn on deinterlacing in mythtv. |
| [18:47:56] | biohazd: | cool ta |
| [18:48:07] | biohazd: | upping the flicker filter has helped a bit |
| [18:48:21] | ** directhex doesn't think this will help with "bluriness". it'd help with lines ** | |
| [18:48:46] | biohazd: | lines are gone now :) |
| [18:49:07] | biohazd: | now to sort out blurry :) |
| [18:49:57] | AndyCap: | directhex: one man's blurry is another man's bacon, uh tearing |
| [18:50:12] | directhex: | bacon or panda? |
| [18:50:26] | AndyCap: | hmm, never tried panda. pandabacon? |
| [18:50:54] | biohazd: | hmm tearing.. thats also happening :) |
| [18:51:58] | AndyCap: | so is conjugal visit sex |
| [18:55:13] | biohazd: | line are gone now and less blurry too |
| [18:55:18] | biohazd: | thanks !! |
| [18:55:25] | biohazd: | still a bit of tearing.. any ideas ? |
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| [19:03:32] | Schmidt: | what remote do you guys recommend ? |
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| [19:04:23] | roelf: | hello mythtv-users i have a s-1500 remote controle udev is mounting the ir device at /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000\:04\:07.0--event-ir |
| [19:04:37] | roelf: | but how can i configure mythtv with it |
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| [19:04:52] | laga: | roelf: by reading up on LIRC |
| [19:05:06] | roelf: | i can't find it |
| [19:05:29] | laga: | you need to try harder then |
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| [19:05:46] | roelf: | hahah |
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| [19:06:34] | Dagmar: | Dude if you can't find www.lirc.org, you just suck |
| [19:07:06] | georgek: | roelf, identify the event id with 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices', then configure lirc to use input/device driver |
| [19:07:12] | roelf: | i see i must emerge gentoo again with the devinput |
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| [19:09:37] | directhex: | lirc uses event devices? what happened to ttyS0? |
| [19:09:57] | georgek: | directhex, ttySx is for serial devices :) |
| [19:10:27] | AndyCap: | also get a hold of evtest to see if you got the right device and it's working |
| [19:11:48] | niter3: | oh man.. |
| [19:11:51] | niter3: | I'm ready to go home! |
| [19:11:53] | niter3: | Is it time yet? |
| [19:13:26] | georgek: | I'm not sure with the s-1500, but you may need to manually load the keymaps each boot before starting lircd |
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| [19:40:55] | jarle__: | How about adding a .m3u playlist from Amarok in mythmusic, would that be possible? |
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| [19:47:01] | jarle__: | maybe this is what I'm looking for... |
| [19:50:47] | spader3d: | what is the dif between the "normal" vlc and the subversion? |
| [19:51:41] | Dagmar: | Newer, more exciting bugs |
| [19:52:28] | Dagmar: | Rule of thumb: If you want to *use* software, stick with numbered tarball releases. If you want to DEBUG and DEVEOP it, then go for cvs/svn |
| [19:52:54] | CaptObviousman: | oooh me! me! I want to develop! Can I huh huh?!? |
| [19:53:59] | Dagmar: | The only notable exception to this is ffmpeg |
| [19:54:27] | Dagmar: | ...where the answer becomes "for the love of god find some other way if you value your time" |
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| [19:55:16] | Dagmar: | When they do another stable release, I swear it'll make Slashdot as an oddity piece |
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| [19:55:46] | Dagmar: | CNN could cover it, if the collective "huh" of the world wouldn't be audible enough to scare housepets |
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| [20:04:24] | Lunar_Lamp_: | Hmm, some of the OSD options in mythtv have very distorted text (to the point that they becomes unusable). Is this a known issue? |
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| [20:08:58] | GreyFoxx: | What do you mean by distorted text ? |
| [20:09:16] | GreyFoxx: | And are you referring to the OSD menu itself overlayed on video or the OSD config options in the frontend setup menus ? |
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| [20:28:52] | CaptObviousman: | hmm |
| [20:29:01] | CaptObviousman: | how soon do you think we'll have a good ati driver? |
| [20:30:04] | mkrufky: | didn't they only release specs a few days ago? |
| [20:30:17] | mkrufky: | ...or did that not even happen yet? |
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| [20:30:39] | mkrufky: | (i heard that they have / had a plan to finally release specs for opensource) |
| [20:31:07] | jduggan: | im sure there'll be drivers shortly.. whether they're good or not.. will take time to know and fix bugs |
| [20:31:59] | mkrufky: | i'm going to need to pick up a PCIe video card one of these days... maybe i'll wait a month or two and see what happens with ATi, before I go ahead and buy another nvidia |
| [20:32:01] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: some register specs for R500 and R600 are on x.org |
| [20:32:07] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: but that's about it at this time. |
| [20:32:10] | mkrufky: | cool, AndyCap |
| [20:32:28] | mkrufky: | yeah... i was under the impression that specs were only released _very_ recently |
| [20:33:17] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: yeah, a week ago or so |
| [20:33:26] | mkrufky: | cool |
| [20:33:53] | AndyCap: | http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ |
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| [20:34:34] | galorin: | Got a couple questions..first, how can I troubleshoot the commercial flagging? It's not flaggingcommercials at all, even though I've told it to. |
| [20:37:08] | mkrufky: | not bad |
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| [20:41:32] | niter3: | fantastic |
| [20:41:36] | niter3: | i'm having a blast today |
| [20:41:40] | niter3: | it's been so much fun at work |
| [20:41:42] | niter3: | WHOA!! |
| [20:41:49] | niter3: | Party time.. ALl the females on the tables |
| [20:41:52] | niter3: | Start dancing and stripping |
| [20:42:53] | CaptObviousman: | well, that's certainly on topic |
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| [20:43:16] | niter3: | Do you think that office sex like on porno's really happen? |
| [20:43:22] | niter3: | ;) |
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| [20:50:20] | mkrufky: | office sex DOES really happen 8-) |
| [20:50:35] | mkrufky: | ( --> niter3) |
| [20:50:41] | mkrufky: | oops, he's gone... now i look like a fool |
| [20:51:20] | mkrufky: | anyway, it was in college — to maybe it doesn't count |
| [20:51:24] | mkrufky: | s/to/so |
| [20:52:13] | SiD3WiNDR: | lol |
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| [20:53:04] | AngryElf_: | so i've noticed that every time i do a clean install of myth the pictures in mythweb on the recorded programs page work fine — then a week or so later they just stop working, what gives? |
| [20:53:29] | mkrufky: | i'm too lazy to join the forums.... but... to anybody that cares, I am *very* pleased with SchedulesDirect — working perfectly for me :-D |
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| [21:01:13] | beata--: | AngryElf_ im trying to debug that very same problem |
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| [21:04:53] | beata: | im only geting a preview picture for recordings coming off my digital tuner :-/ |
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| [21:11:43] | languid: | hello, does anyone know of plans to add replaygain support to mythmusic? |
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| [21:23:33] | Yahooadam: | what line do you put in xorg.conf to use teh svideo out on a FX5200 |
| [21:23:55] | Yahooadam: | languid – what do u mean "replay" support ? |
| [21:23:59] | zntneo: | bah i can't get nfs to work |
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| [21:24:39] | zntneo: | says it can't mount because it timed out |
| [21:24:59] | zntneo: | any ideas why? |
| [21:25:02] | bsdfox: | Yahooadam: it's all in the nvidia drivers README :) |
| [21:25:15] | Yahooadam: | hmm, i just shoved in the ubuntu CD :p |
| [21:25:24] | Yahooadam: | aint touched the nvidia drivers, i think their included |
| [21:25:31] | Yahooadam: | what OS zntneo ? |
| [21:25:40] | zntneo: | fedora core 6 |
| [21:26:38] | Yahooadam: | for server and client ? |
| [21:26:48] | zntneo: | yes |
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| [21:29:09] | languid: | Yahooadam: http://replaygain.hydrogenaudio.org/ |
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| [21:30:26] | Yahooadam: | ? |
| [21:30:32] | xrothgarx: | can someone help me fix super small text on a HDTV with mythbuntu (using Nvidia card/propritary drivers) |
| [21:30:39] | languid: | Yahooadam: if you've ever used mp3gain, it's the same thing |
| [21:30:41] | xrothgarx: | I can't read the options under setup |
| [21:30:46] | languid: | mp3gain.sf.net |
| [21:30:53] | Yahooadam: | why are you telling me this languid ? |
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| [21:31:06] | Yahooadam: | zntneo – what guide did u use ? |
| [21:31:21] | languid: | Yahooadam: because you said 'languid – what do u mean "replay" support ?' |
| [21:31:28] | zntneo: | http://g-ding.tv/?q=node/1654 |
| [21:31:37] | Yahooadam: | ahh |
| [21:31:40] | Yahooadam: | kk languid :) |
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| [21:31:44] | languid: | :) |
| [21:32:00] | Yahooadam: | so by "replaygain" you mean to balance all tracks to the equal volume ? |
| [21:32:16] | languid: | Yahooadam: essentially, yes |
| [21:32:26] | Yahooadam: | i see :) |
| [21:32:41] | xrothgarx: | anyone have a HDTV and have problems with really small text when they go to setup? |
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| [21:33:06] | directhex: | force your DPI to something else |
| [21:33:11] | Yahooadam: | bsdfox – found a guide, changed my xorg.conf, found the readme, changed S-VIDEO to SVIDEO – works ok :) |
| [21:33:30] | xrothgarx: | directhex how do you force the DPI? |
| [21:37:41] | zntneo: | so yahoo any clues? |
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| [21:39:45] | Yahooadam: | zntneo |
| [21:39:54] | Yahooadam: | try /my/share *(rw,sync) |
| [21:40:11] | zntneo: | in exports? |
| [21:40:32] | Yahooadam: | yeah |
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| [21:40:50] | zntneo: | no ip address in front? |
| [21:40:52] | |Torg|: | add no_root_squash |
| [21:41:07] | Yahooadam: | no |
| [21:41:10] | Yahooadam: | * means all |
| [21:41:20] | Yahooadam: | or do what torg said :) |
| [21:41:40] | Yahooadam: | i was checking it against my exports :) |
| [21:41:44] | zntneo: | thats in the parenthesis right (dang i can't spell) |
| [21:41:46] | Yahooadam: | thats the only real difference |
| [21:41:56] | xrothgarx: | I think I figured it out, I added DisplaySize 325 182 to the monitor section. I will see if this works |
| [21:41:59] | |Torg|: | try /export/data x.x.x.x (rw, sync, no_root_squash) |
| [21:42:54] | zntneo: | crap i got to go tlak to you guys later |
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| [22:36:56] | tripppy: | is there a good HCL for DVB-T PCI cards for myth? |
| [22:46:57] | Agrajag-: | what's HCL? |
| [22:47:23] | |Torg|: | Hardware Compatabily List |
| [22:48:28] | Agrajag-: | tripppy: if it works in linux, it'll work with myth |
| [22:48:37] | Agrajag-: | check linuxtv.org |
| [22:49:13] | tripppy: | Agrajag-, cheers. |
| [22:49:34] | tripppy: | any aussie in here? |
| [22:49:39] | Agrajag-: | yep me |
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| [22:53:31] | tripppy: | Agrajag-, what tuner are u using? |
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| [22:54:19] | lsemple: | hey guys |
| [22:54:25] | lsemple: | how can I reset my ivtv driver ??? |
| [22:54:31] | lsemple: | (Linux) |
| [22:57:54] | ol_schoola_: | off the top of my head.... 'modprobe -r ivtv' followed by a 'modprobe ivtv' ? |
| [22:58:14] | ol_schoola_: | as root of course |
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| [23:10:40] | Agrajag-: | tripppy: a crappy old dvb-t tuner |
| [23:20:34] | Agrajag-: | but it works fine for SD |
| [23:20:43] | Agrajag-: | i don't get good enough reception for HD |
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| [23:21:23] | giuly: | HI, are there SVN-Builds for Feisty? |
| [23:21:55] | directhex: | yes. |
| [23:22:22] | directhex: | there are |
| [23:22:25] | directhex: | so now you know! |
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| [23:37:24] | kdubya: | 88554646 |
| [23:38:30] | kdubya: | hey do i have to turn ON mythweb somehow |
| [23:38:33] | kdubya: | because it aint there |
| [23:41:08] | fryfrog: | er, it is a web thing |
| [23:41:19] | fryfrog: | so you got to set it up like any php script/web site you'd setup |
| [23:42:10] | kdubya: | oh yeah |
| [23:42:24] | kdubya: | so when i was using mythdora he did it for me |
| [23:42:39] | kdubya: | thanks |
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