| Wednesday, September 26th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:05] | GreyFoxx: | I don't remember why, there was a reason but it's been a long time since I last asked |
| [00:00:05] | laga: | something still has got to do the drawing |
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| [00:02:59] | savageone: | do it in flash |
| [00:03:03] | savageone: | all the interfaces in flash |
| [00:03:28] | kdubya: | well yeah that would be ideal, but that isnt exactly something that could be done easily |
| [00:04:19] | directhex: | savageone, flash *tears* on full-screen. horribly |
| [00:04:42] | directhex: | flash is hand-coded assembly, and i can't imagine running an animation at 1920x1080 |
| [00:04:55] | laga: | don't feed the troll. |
| [00:05:04] | laga: | or at least adjust your irony detectors :) |
| [00:05:11] | savageone: | hehe |
| [00:05:15] | savageone: | I dunno |
| [00:05:18] | savageone: | there's gotta be some way |
| [00:05:41] | kdubya: | i didnt realize mepo only did one animation |
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| [00:07:33] | kdubya: | you know i really dont see why people make icons for obscure settings menus |
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| [00:07:42] | kdubya: | seems like a waste of effort |
| [00:08:02] | directhex: | kdubya, completeness? imagine a "red x" image missing picture instead |
| [00:08:02] | kdubya: | those three people that use mythphone will appreciate it the three times they have to go to the setup menu |
| [00:08:49] | kdubya: | well reuse something |
| [00:09:22] | kdubya: | ah |
| [00:09:25] | kdubya: | found the animation code |
| [00:09:41] | kdubya: | i was expecting him to have to list the name of every frame |
| [00:09:46] | savageone: | I'm out |
| [00:09:48] | kdubya: | but you can use a wildcard |
| [00:09:48] | savageone: | night all |
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| [00:11:20] | Kernel: | hello all. how do i go about using the new scheduledirect? |
| [00:11:41] | Kernel: | i just installed mythtv on mandriva 2007.1 |
| [00:11:51] | fryfrog: | you just do it :) |
| [00:12:20] | kdubya: | heh |
| [00:12:21] | Kernel: | hmm its still trying to use the old datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com |
| [00:12:43] | fryfrog: | Kernel: is it possible the mandriva rpms (or how ever you installed it) haven't been updated? |
| [00:12:56] | fryfrog: | cause there is/was an update to mythtv to get schedules direct included |
| [00:13:00] | Kernel: | yes completely |
| [00:13:02] | fryfrog: | a 0.20.2 release, I believe |
| [00:13:06] | Kernel: | crap |
| [00:13:18] | fryfrog: | so you are using mandriva's rpms? |
| [00:13:34] | bsdfox__: | anyone know how to remove commercials from a .nuv file? or how to remove commercials before transcoding happens? |
| [00:13:41] | Kernel: | fryfrog: yea. and there not new |
| [00:13:43] | Kernel: | lol |
| [00:13:48] | Kernel: | so im basicly forked. |
| [00:13:52] | fryfrog: | :~( |
| [00:14:02] | Kernel: | yea :-( |
| [00:14:06] | fryfrog: | i don't know if anyone likes mandriva enough to make a build for em |
| [00:14:17] | laga: | complain to the package maintainer then |
| [00:14:31] | kdubya: | haha |
| [00:14:32] | fryfrog: | I might consider moving to a bigger, more popular distro like fedora (if you like rpm) or ubuntu (if you realize rpm is teh suke). |
| [00:14:38] | fryfrog: | yeah, taht is probably the best bet |
| [00:14:42] | bsdfox__: | just compile it from source :P |
| [00:14:47] | kdubya: | pff |
| [00:14:48] | fryfrog: | they may even have rpms already made or something |
| [00:14:49] | kdubya: | compile |
| [00:14:55] | fryfrog: | well, course there is that too :) |
| [00:15:12] | Kernel: | well mandriva is gonna be having a release soon. |
| [00:15:17] | ** bsdfox__ never has problems with out of date packages :) ** | |
| [00:15:22] | Kernel: | i REALY hope itll be updated there. |
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| [00:17:39] | Kernel: | hmm well i have version 0.20–3plf2007.1.i586 |
| [00:18:17] | Kernel: | i misread. its 0.20–3 not 0.20.3 |
| [00:18:56] | bsdfox__: | I can't imagine any reason someone would want to run mandriva |
| [00:18:57] | kdubya: | you got 20.1 |
| [00:19:17] | Kernel: | bsdfox__: its a great distro. |
| [00:19:25] | bsdfox__: | k |
| [00:19:35] | bsdfox__: | enjoy your schedule direct support next year |
| [00:19:36] | laga: | bsdfox__: i can't imagine why someone would keep asking the same question over and over again :) |
| [00:19:40] | kdubya: | what makes it great other than out of date packages |
| [00:19:59] | Kernel: | meh im not about to have a distro way |
| [00:20:01] | Kernel: | *wart |
| [00:20:03] | Kernel: | bah |
| [00:20:04] | bsdfox__: | laga: I'm trying man |
| [00:20:05] | Kernel: | *war |
| [00:20:12] | kdubya: | haha |
| [00:20:19] | Kernel: | but i love it...if you dont. w/e i could care less |
| [00:20:27] | kdubya: | i know nothing about it |
| [00:20:34] | kdubya: | i just learned 30 seconds ago that it uses rpms |
| [00:20:38] | Kernel: | lol |
| [00:20:43] | bsdfox__: | I tried it out ~1999 |
| [00:20:52] | bsdfox__: | it sucked then too |
| [00:21:05] | Kernel: | meh. i suppose you run gentoo or somthing bsdfox__ ? |
| [00:21:15] | bsdfox__: | no comment |
| [00:21:25] | Kernel: | or only bsd's? |
| [00:21:40] | bsdfox__: | I'm on sabayon right now |
| [00:21:48] | bsdfox__: | my mythbackend is gentoo though |
| [00:21:56] | kdubya: | ooh i never even heard of that one |
| [00:22:08] | Kernel: | ah. i use mandriva and freebsd for my server |
| [00:22:11] | tank-man: | what is sabayon? |
| [00:22:15] | tank-man: | another distro? |
| [00:22:19] | Kernel: | yea |
| [00:22:20] | bsdfox__: | yeah |
| [00:22:31] | Kernel: | isnt it spanish?... |
| [00:22:33] | bsdfox__: | I run freebsd on my servers too |
| [00:22:34] | bsdfox__: | it's italian |
| [00:22:38] | Kernel: | ah ok. |
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| [01:20:14] | pete: | hey guys, has anyone heard whispers of linux support for this http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/techspecs/ ? |
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| [01:23:18] | GreyFoxx: | pete: Never heard of that before. That could be interesting for some people |
| [01:24:16] | pete: | GreyFoxx : it would make my inordinately happy if that worked under linux ;) |
| [01:24:21] | pete: | me even |
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| [01:29:33] | jams: | hi all |
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| [01:33:00] | Ferrari: | mythTV at Nokia N800 is cool |
| [01:33:24] | Rain_man: | will mythtv accept keying in 4 digit channel # like 4000 |
| [01:34:02] | Rain_man: | i only make it to 3 digits and it tune to the 3 gigit channel |
| [01:35:42] | fryfrog: | i think you are answer your own question :( |
| [01:35:54] | fryfrog: | your myth system has more than 999 chans? |
| [01:35:56] | Rain_man: | thats to bad |
| [01:36:12] | Rain_man: | yes |
| [01:36:41] | fryfrog: | what version you using? -fixes, -head (svn) or a "real" release? |
| [01:36:52] | Rain_man: | svn |
| [01:36:59] | fryfrog: | hummm |
| [01:37:06] | fryfrog: | you check the bug track for a listing of this bug? |
| [01:37:14] | fryfrog: | can you tune to say 999 and then chan-up to 1000? |
| [01:37:34] | fryfrog: | ie: is it a channel entry bug or is myth *really* limited to 999 chans? |
| [01:37:58] | Rain_man: | yes i can channel up to any channel |
| [01:38:26] | Rain_man: | 14515 is my checked out svn |
| [01:39:01] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:39:10] | fryfrog: | well, as a work around... i suggest you don't watch live tv :) |
| [01:39:23] | Rain_man: | lol |
| [01:39:32] | Rain_man: | tell the wife that |
| [01:39:34] | Rain_man: | :) |
| [01:39:40] | fryfrog: | do have multiple sources? like cable, ota and sat or something? |
| [01:39:42] | jams: | and using the program guide works? |
| [01:39:52] | fryfrog: | i'm curious how you have 999+ channels |
| [01:40:01] | Rain_man: | yes i have about 8 sats and ota |
| [01:40:11] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:40:29] | pete: | "I have so many satelite connections that I use "about" when describing their number" |
| [01:40:31] | Rain_man: | program guide will freeze if i move to quickly |
| [01:40:31] | fryfrog: | I'd file a bug report for sure, its possible no one has simply run into that bug. |
| [01:40:57] | Rain_man: | ok, ill do that |
| [01:41:07] | fryfrog: | It might be a simple code change in the portion that is listening to the channel change numbers, when it hits 3 it just goes |
| [01:41:14] | fryfrog: | might be as simple as changing that to a 4 |
| [01:41:30] | fryfrog: | but then to *fast* change you'd prolly need to do 0001 or 1 + enter |
| [01:41:37] | fryfrog: | or 1 then wait :) |
| [01:42:00] | fryfrog: | the trick is finding that in the source as someone who doesn't know the source (for example, like me) |
| [01:42:13] | Rain_man: | or me |
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| [01:42:27] | Rain_man: | i just learned linux and mythtv this month |
| [01:42:34] | Rain_man: | what a curve |
| [01:42:56] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [01:43:51] | Rain_man: | ill file a ticket, then im gonna sit here and vegitate for a few weeks, letting my brain cool off :) |
| [01:44:06] | pete: | uh |
| [01:44:13] | pete: | looks like there is a config option for it |
| [01:44:17] | pete: | found this in the sources |
| [01:44:19] | pete: | gc->setHelpText(QObject::tr("When a complete channel number is entered " |
| [01:44:19] | pete: | "MythTV will switch to that channel immediately without " |
| [01:44:19] | pete: | "requiring you to hit the select button.")); |
| [01:44:25] | pete: | so... |
| [01:44:33] | Rain_man: | cool |
| [01:44:35] | pete: | I haven't looked to see where that's set |
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| [01:44:44] | pete: | static HostCheckBox *SmartChannelChange() |
| [01:45:08] | pete: | it's in mythtv/programs/mythfrontend/global_settings.cpp |
| [01:45:20] | pete: | ern no _ |
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| [01:47:33] | Rain_man: | so this will be a option in mythtv-setup? |
| [01:47:46] | Rain_man: | or a option in the frontend settings |
| [01:48:44] | pete: | it's in the mythfrontend source |
| [01:49:02] | pete: | I don't know if it's still there.. it may be a setting that's not on the settings page |
| [01:49:07] | pete: | I just saw it in the source |
| [01:49:15] | Rain_man: | ok |
| [01:49:37] | fryfrog: | finding settings in myth is a pain in the ass :/ |
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| [01:50:04] | Rain_man: | yes it is |
| [01:51:16] | squish103: | lol, normally takes me like 10 minutes to find anything |
| [01:53:58] | fryfrog: | sometimes i find it after i've passed by it 5 or 6 times :/ |
| [01:54:10] | fryfrog: | stupid next next next type options :( |
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| [01:55:20] | Rain_man: | i cant even look for it now cus the blonde is watching tv |
| [01:55:30] | Rain_man: | dont want to pii her off tonight |
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| [02:00:15] | Rain_man: | hmmm first page of setup /tvsettings/general |
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| [02:00:34] | Rain_man: | change channels immediatly without select |
| [02:00:44] | Rain_man: | already deselected |
| [02:01:26] | pete: | fryfrog: I won't put up with that, so I'll leave before you stop the silly talk about the code reorganization that changed the way all the variables are stored in the code, and that's why it's a bitch to search for this particular one |
| [02:01:35] | pete: | and yes, it's silly to do such a code reorgh!!!! |
| [02:01:39] | pete: | so there! |
| [02:01:43] | pete: | and such! |
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| [02:25:51] | thread: | so once I use zap2xml and get my xmltv.xml file, how do I import that into the db? |
| [02:27:41] | thread: | mythfilldatabase's parameters are confusing... it seems --file is what I want, though? |
| [02:28:24] | GreyFoxx: | I think it's more like mythfilldatabase --manual VIDEOSOUrcEIDgoeshere file.xml |
| [02:29:29] | thread: | like mythfilldatabase --manual 0 xmltv.xml ? |
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| [02:29:39] | GreyFoxx: | You have to enter the proper video sourceid |
| [02:29:44] | thread: | where do I find that? |
| [02:30:03] | GreyFoxx: | I've always gotten it via mysql anytime i've needed it for something |
| [02:30:46] | thread: | videosource table? |
| [02:30:49] | thread: | sourceid column? |
| [02:30:50] | GreyFoxx: | Odds are your video source is 1 or 2, but you will want to check for sure |
| [02:30:51] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [02:31:04] | thread: | mythfilldatabase --manual 1 xmltv.xml |
| [02:31:08] | thread: | illegal option: '1' (use --help) |
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| [02:32:08] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sorry you were closer |
| [02:32:18] | GreyFoxx: | mythfilldatabase --file VIDEOSOURCEID filename.xml |
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| [02:32:36] | GreyFoxx: | assuming it's xmltv formated |
| [02:32:51] | thread: | I need an offset number, too... |
| [02:33:07] | thread: | i have no idea what to put there... heh |
| [02:33:10] | GreyFoxx: | I've only ever done manually a few times while testing the xmltv schedulesdirect grabber |
| [02:33:41] | thread: | how do you handle this now? .. |
| [02:34:09] | thread: | doesn't everyone have to switch over to something like this now that labs.zap2it.com is gone? |
| [02:34:11] | GreyFoxx: | I use schedulesdirect.org as my source and mythfilldatabase grabs it just like it to use to do with zap2it's stuff |
| [02:34:24] | GreyFoxx: | thread, no, most are using SD |
| [02:34:25] | thread: | oh yea? is it free? |
| [02:34:32] | thread: | didn't realize there was an alternative... |
| [02:34:35] | GreyFoxx: | no, $20 a year |
| [02:34:54] | thread: | ah |
| [02:34:54] | GreyFoxx: | IT's a not for profit formed by xmltv head dev, myth devs and some from other projects |
| [02:35:04] | GreyFoxx: | price goes down as more sign up |
| [02:35:10] | thread: | ah |
| [02:35:10] | GreyFoxx: | it was $15 for 3 months to start |
| [02:35:13] | GreyFoxx: | down to $20 a year now |
| [02:35:18] | thread: | the import worked :) |
| [02:35:26] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [02:35:57] | GreyFoxx: | Most of us don't wanna deal with scrapers and such, and the switch to SD was pretty much change 2 csettings and you were done (assuming you had a new enough myth version that is) |
| [02:36:41] | GreyFoxx: | those of us who remember the scraper days from before labs.zap2it remember the pain :) |
| [02:37:01] | Kernel: | hello all ive installed mythtv from source and im wondering whats the best way to go about running the backend... ie have it auto start at boot and what user i should run it under |
| [02:37:02] | thread: | yeah |
| [02:37:35] | thread: | thanks for the help, GreyFoxx |
| [02:37:49] | GreyFoxx: | Kernel: You will want to either create an initscript or add a mythbackend --daemon line to your distros initscripts |
| [02:37:51] | GreyFoxx: | thread np |
| [02:38:30] | Kernel: | hmm ok if i use the -daemon option....what user will it start under? |
| [02:38:54] | GreyFoxx: | kernel; By default it would run as root from the initscripts unless you tell it otherwise |
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| [02:39:02] | GreyFoxx: | you can use su to run it as a user |
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| [02:39:18] | GreyFoxx: | personally I just run it as root, but to each their own :) |
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| [02:40:26] | Tanthrix: | GreyFoxx: You're insane! Your system will burst into flames then start killing babies and kittens! |
| [02:40:34] | armbar: | hello |
| [02:40:48] | Kernel: | LOL |
| [02:41:12] | armbar: | how do I change the language setting in mythfrontend? |
| [02:41:21] | ** Tanthrix thinks that most linux geeks treat root as some kind of dangerous and mysterious power to make themselves feel like they're important ** | |
| [02:41:52] | just_joe: | argh my sound went away on me. how the heck do i debug this? |
| [02:41:54] | armbar: | my f*** wireless keyboard went crazy today and set it to spanish |
| [02:42:53] | armbar: | just_joe: killall artsd? |
| [02:43:18] | just_joe: | what does that do? |
| [02:43:53] | armbar: | I have to do that on my stytem every so offten |
| [02:44:11] | just_joe: | hmm how can i tell if my audio output is screwed up or my audio processing? as in everything recorded is junk? |
| [02:45:00] | just_joe: | hmm ok something that i know is recorded good (because i watched it) i have no audio for. |
| [02:45:00] | GreyFoxx: | tanq_: heh |
| [02:45:24] | GreyFoxx: | Tanthrix: Those are the "babies" who think that because they can run ./configure; make; make install that they are some sort of guru hacker |
| [02:45:33] | just_joe: | not to sound whiny but house is on in 15 minutes and i wanted to record it for my wife. :-D |
| [02:46:18] | GreyFoxx: | just_joe: hehe I just finished watching it a few minutes ago :) |
| [02:46:32] | GreyFoxx: | << Atlantic timezone :) |
| [02:46:58] | GreyFoxx: | just_joe: What kind of capture card ? |
| [02:47:04] | just_joe: | pvr150 |
| [02:47:19] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, Your sound card has nothing to do with audio when recording from that |
| [02:47:32] | GreyFoxx: | so even if your soundoutput is messed up it wont affect the recording itself |
| [02:47:36] | just_joe: | so i should NOT mess with it until after the recording is ove |
| [02:47:38] | just_joe: | over |
| [02:47:48] | GreyFoxx: | hehe personally I wouldn't :) |
| [02:47:50] | just_joe: | whew |
| [02:47:53] | just_joe: | i sure wont |
| [02:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | but as a test go to a commandline and do a |
| [02:48:06] | GreyFoxx: | cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg |
| [02:48:19] | GreyFoxx: | wait 20 seconds and hit CTRL-C |
| [02:48:28] | GreyFoxx: | then copy the file.mpg to another mach and try to play it |
| [02:48:36] | GreyFoxx: | assuming the audio is ok then you should be fine :) |
| [02:48:54] | GreyFoxx: | and I also assume your backend isn't currently recording something :) |
| [02:49:37] | just_joe: | 11 minutes is kind of a crazy hmm under sound preferences i hit test and it makes noise |
| [02:49:46] | just_joe: | yeah it is i just saw that |
| [02:49:50] | just_joe: | scrubs |
| [02:50:28] | GreyFoxx: | Is that back this year too? Or a rerun ? |
| [02:50:36] | GreyFoxx: | I didnm't see it in the upcoming list on my box |
| [02:50:48] | just_joe: | scrubs is back too |
| [02:51:12] | kash: | http://stream.shadoxx.net:8000/ can someone listen to that with myth music |
| [02:51:17] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [02:51:30] | kash: | i mean would it work |
| [02:54:24] | just_joe: | if you start recrding early will it stop recording early? |
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| [02:55:08] | GreyFoxx: | just_joe: I never actually use a ny of those. I don't think it will I think it will just start recording early and end at the proper time unless you tell it to end late |
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| [02:55:26] | just_joe: | tucson comcast seems to be early for everything. |
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| [03:00:28] | bsdfox: | I'm using this command for my transcoder and it works fine, but after I run it mythtv doesn't find the new file (says file is missing).. how can I update this? I am renaming $INFILE from xxx.mpg to xxx.nuv — /usr/bin/mythtranscode -V 3 -p $QUALITY -i "$INFILE" -o "$OUTFILE" && rm $INFILE |
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| [03:05:08] | GreyFoxx: | If you are manually doing it you will also need to update the basename column in the recorded table |
| [03:06:24] | GreyFoxx: | basename = filename for this recording :) |
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| [03:19:19] | bsdfox: | ok |
| [03:21:06] | bsdfox: | I'm having a stupid problem now with "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" when running "mythcommflag -f /home/store/1030_20070925181922.mpg" |
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| [03:21:24] | bsdfox: | I've setup my /home/mythtv/.my.cnf and I can tell it works (I can just type mysql and it opens..) |
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| [03:21:35] | bsdfox: | .. can't figure it out |
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| [03:25:37] | Plugh: | I can't get the frontend to talk to the backend. I set the security pin to 0000 in the backend but it doesn't help. I can't see where to set the pin in the frontend. |
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| [03:28:23] | Plugh: | The frontend doesn't even see the backend. |
| [03:28:31] | Anduin: | Plugh: The frontend would be prompting (unless someone checked in the "use mysql.txt if it exists" idea |
| [03:29:08] | Plugh: | This is the svn version of mythtv btw. |
| [03:29:51] | Plugh: | the mysql.txt is for more than connecting the mythfrontend to the mythbackend? |
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| [03:32:44] | Anduin: | Plugh: Not really, one suggestion was to not do UPnP searches if mysql.txt existed. One cause some people were seeing is multicast not working (thread on the ml) |
| [03:34:28] | Plugh: | Universal plug and play searches? or does that stand for something else? |
| [03:36:20] | Plugh: | So far, no mailing list message that I have found has clearly stated what configuration changes or changes to a file in ~/.mythtv or the database needs to be done to fix the problem. |
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| [04:09:31] | EnterUserName: | hi all I just bought a serial blaster to use with my captiveworks 600 device |
| [04:09:43] | EnterUserName: | because there is no fileset for my pvr 150 so i decided to make my own codeset |
| [04:09:56] | EnterUserName: | so i need to buy a receiver to figure out the codes however my computer only has one serial port |
| [04:10:11] | EnterUserName: | is there a USB receiver that i can use to use with my remote control |
| [04:10:19] | EnterUserName: | that i can buy that any of you can suggest |
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| [04:13:55] | JoeyJoeJo: | my 30 minute recordings are showing up as being over 1.5 hours.. what would do this? |
| [04:14:11] | EnterUserName: | i dont think anyone is here.. |
| [04:14:18] | JoeyJoeJo: | that sucks |
| [04:14:22] | EnterUserName: | i know |
| [04:14:23] | EnterUserName: | :"(" |
| [04:14:29] | EnterUserName: | i need help finding a usb infrared receiver |
| [04:14:35] | EnterUserName: | cuz of stupid computers limited serial ports |
| [04:14:36] | EnterUserName: | lol |
| [04:15:30] | JoeyJoeJo: | I've got a streamzap that works well. I don't know if you can still find them or not |
| [04:15:51] | EnterUserName: | hmm |
| [04:15:57] | EnterUserName: | does it work with any remote |
| [04:16:04] | EnterUserName: | i need a receiver to program MY blaster |
| [04:16:10] | EnterUserName: | :S |
| [04:16:22] | EnterUserName: | i have a serial blaster i just bought for my device but my device is not on anyone's codeset |
| [04:16:36] | EnterUserName: | so i need a universal receiver to create the codes for it :p |
| [04:16:42] | JoeyJoeJo: | that I don't know.. it does have a usb receiver, but thats all I know |
| [04:16:56] | JoeyJoeJo: | you could get a pci card with extra serial ports too, if you have space |
| [04:17:04] | EnterUserName: | thats the other problem |
| [04:17:05] | EnterUserName: | lol |
| [04:17:09] | EnterUserName: | my pci is full |
| [04:17:17] | JoeyJoeJo: | man, that hurts |
| [04:17:21] | EnterUserName: | uya i know |
| [04:17:26] | EnterUserName: | let me double check plus you gotta pay for those cards |
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| [04:21:38] | EnterUserName: | adante: do u know any usb universal receivers |
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| [04:23:45] | Plugh: | EnterUserName: At least you have a computer that still has a serial port. |
| [04:25:32] | EnterUserName: | ya but i only can use a blaster |
| [04:25:35] | EnterUserName: | and i need a receiver lol |
| [04:27:33] | EnterUserName: | any suggestions plugh for usb receiver to buy? |
| [04:30:51] | Plugh: | Not that I can think of. I don't have any remote control abilities with the tuner card I have so I haven't been looking in to any thing like what you are looking for. |
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| [04:32:10] | adante: | EnterUserName: sorry no |
| [04:32:19] | Plugh: | hehe... a google search popped up an article on how to make a USB IR receiver. |
| [04:33:41] | Plugh: | Putting sequence usb and "ir receiver" in to a single google query yeild some interesting results. |
| [04:33:55] | EnterUserName: | ya i cant find one compatible with irc |
| [04:33:56] | EnterUserName: | lirc |
| [04:33:59] | EnterUserName: | howdo u know if its compatible |
| [04:34:33] | EnterUserName: | oh |
| [04:34:36] | EnterUserName: | USB to serial converter |
| [04:34:38] | EnterUserName: | that sound spromising |
| [04:34:53] | Plugh: | night. |
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| [04:34:56] | EnterUserName: | but how would that work... |
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| [04:42:00] | EnterUserName: | sigh |
| [04:42:01] | EnterUserName: | anyone?> |
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| [04:46:23] | EnterUserName: | Hi kormoc |
| [04:46:32] | EnterUserName: | do u know of a cheap USB universal receiver i can buy |
| [04:46:37] | EnterUserName: | not build.. |
| [04:46:39] | kormoc: | Hello |
| [04:46:47] | kormoc: | not off hand |
| [04:46:55] | EnterUserName: | I Just bought a serial blaster but i only have one serial port |
| [04:47:09] | EnterUserName: | so now im going crazy some of these USB receivers (like IRMAN) cost 30 bucks |
| [04:47:33] | EnterUserName: | well 40 |
| [04:47:36] | EnterUserName: | 30 euros |
| [04:47:46] | kormoc: | so get a pci serial card? |
| [04:47:53] | EnterUserName: | my pci cards are full |
| [04:47:55] | EnterUserName: | i only have 4 slots |
| [04:48:13] | EnterUserName: | is MCE universal remote? |
| [04:48:30] | EnterUserName: | i'm not sure which receivers are universal and which only work with there own remote |
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| [04:49:00] | EnterUserName: | I need the receiver to program my blaster |
| [04:49:22] | EnterUserName: | i have a satellite receiver which doesnt have a codeset |
| [04:49:35] | EnterUserName: | so i need both a receiver and blaster to code it. |
| [04:50:43] | Tanthrix: | EnterUserName: Maybe a serial to USB adapter? |
| [04:50:56] | EnterUserName: | Ive seen on a forum that they dont work |
| [04:51:07] | Tanthrix: | All of them, everywhere? |
| [04:51:13] | EnterUserName: | dunno |
| [04:51:20] | EnterUserName: | something to do about timings they said |
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| [04:53:39] | EnterUserName: | its tira 2.1 |
| [04:53:41] | EnterUserName: | supported for lic |
| [04:53:42] | EnterUserName: | lirc |
| [04:54:11] | Tanthrix: | I'm in the same boat – only one serial port, but I'm going to be needing an IR blaster for a cable box |
| [04:54:29] | EnterUserName: | is tira 2.1 supoprted with lirc |
| [04:54:31] | EnterUserName: | do u know |
| [04:54:36] | defaultro: | hi folks |
| [04:54:37] | Tanthrix: | Not a clue. |
| [04:54:39] | defaultro: | what is tira? |
| [04:55:12] | EnterUserName: | umm a type of remote |
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| [04:55:22] | EnterUserName: | http://www.home-electro.com/tira2.php?osCsid= . . . 84277d7a32b3 |
| [04:55:57] | EnderTheThird: | So the problem with the XBox 360 and UPnP disconnecting all devices on a router when connecting to XBox Live..... is that a problem with ALL revisions of the X360 or just the older ones? |
| [04:56:01] | EnterUserName: | im not sure even howto convert the codes from my remote control to make it work with the blaster |
| [04:56:06] | defaultro: | similar to usbuirt? |
| [04:56:21] | EnterUserName: | :S |
| [04:56:41] | EnterUserName: | defaultro: do you know where i can buy usbuirt? how much it is id be more than glad to do that :) |
| [04:56:48] | EnterUserName: | if its supportd with lirc |
| [04:57:00] | defaultro: | i don't know sir |
| [04:57:04] | defaultro: | i built my own IR |
| [04:57:08] | EnterUserName: | sir lol |
| [04:57:09] | EnterUserName: | im no sir :( |
| [04:57:15] | defaultro: | :) just respect |
| [04:57:18] | EnterUserName: | oh ok :) |
| [04:57:28] | EnterUserName: | Did you buid your own USB one? |
| [04:57:35] | defaultro: | it's serial based |
| [04:57:46] | EnterUserName: | darn |
| [04:58:00] | defaultro: | i just followed the schematic diagram at lirc.org |
| [04:58:54] | defaultro: | The receiver i built was awesome but the transmitter is not good |
| [04:59:12] | defaultro: | transmitter works but it's weak. Don't know why. I bought the good ir though |
| [04:59:18] | EnterUserName: | sigh |
| [04:59:26] | EnterUserName: | there all about 40 bucks. maybe ill give it a try |
| [04:59:29] | defaultro: | so transmitter is just collecting dust in basement |
| [04:59:30] | EnterUserName: | to build my own |
| [04:59:43] | defaultro: | i think it cost me $17 all in all |
| [04:59:55] | bsdfox: | anyone use a user job to transcode? and if so how do you deal with updating the database for filename extension changes (.mpg -> .nuv) |
| [04:59:57] | defaultro: | for the transmitter, I will just buy next time |
| [05:01:19] | EnterUserName: | ya i bouht that |
| [05:02:43] | EnterUserName: | im googling the devices supported from lirc no |
| [05:04:12] | EnterUserName: | the problem with some of these usb ones is they go right to your computer i want one with a cord to trail near my tv |
| [05:09:41] | clever[rev]: | im getting an odd performance problem with mythtv lately |
| [05:09:54] | clever[rev]: | the X server is using massive ammounts of system(kernel space) cpu usage |
| [05:09:56] | clever[rev]: | % time seconds usecs/call calls errors syscall |
| [05:09:56] | clever[rev]: | ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ---------------- |
| [05:09:56] | clever[rev]: | 79.21 0.711459 8 91029 gettimeofday |
| [05:10:02] | clever[rev]: | and calling gettimeofday alot |
| [05:11:53] | clever[rev]: | when playing a video in mplayer the gettimeofday is uses a great deal less |
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| [05:15:10] | just_joe_: | ok i still cant figure out why my sound is gone on my box. i can play |
| [05:16:46] | just_joe_: | i can record just fine and play it back with vlc but inside myth it has no audio |
| [05:18:12] | clever[rev]: | check the sound device its set to use |
| [05:18:19] | clever[rev]: | and that its not allready in use |
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| [05:19:10] | just_joe_: | when i say record i meant by doing cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg as GreyFoxx suggested earlier |
| [05:19:38] | clever[rev]: | wether that has sound or not depends mostly on the card id think |
| [05:19:56] | clever[rev]: | my setup pulls sound form /dev/dsp so i wouldnt get sound from /dev/video |
| [05:21:53] | kormoc: | he has a pvr card if he's catting to a mpeg file |
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| [05:22:31] | Rommie: | Hey all. Quick question – is the video delay caused by mythtv itself, or is it inherent with cards that do mpeg encoding onboard? |
| [05:23:05] | just_joe_: | yeah i have a pvr150 |
| [05:23:08] | kormoc: | Rommie, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . y_changes.3F |
| [05:23:13] | EnterUserName: | how do you use USB-UIRT with lirc? |
| [05:23:55] | xris: | Rommie: the correct answer is "yes" |
| [05:25:25] | Rommie: | I understand that myth caches to disc for the PVR functions to work – I'm just wondering (before I'm able to go to the box and try this out), if using mplayer to display the svideo input will have a delay as well |
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| [05:25:38] | Netslayer: | anyone running appleTV with 2.6.22 here? |
| [05:26:02] | kormoc: | Rommie, depends on the card |
| [05:26:24] | Rommie: | Hauppauge 150 |
| [05:26:28] | kormoc: | then yes |
| [05:27:18] | Rommie: | My old frame grabber died tonight, so I need a way to pipe my DVD's video through my machine to the projector... guess I need to search for an old framegrabber agian |
| [05:27:33] | just_joe_: | oh der... brain was not quite there |
| [05:27:49] | kormoc: | Rommie, if you use myth to play the dvd, you won't get a delay |
| [05:27:58] | Tanthrix: | Yah, why not do that? |
| [05:28:08] | just_joe_: | yes hauppauge wintv-pvr 150 |
| [05:29:25] | defaultro: | i'm recompiling mythplugins and it's complaining at mythweather |
| [05:29:39] | defaultro: | it's saying "WARNING! The weather data acquisition is broken due to changes at the source." |
| [05:29:42] | Rommie: | My machine's onboard optical audio out isn't supported by the linux drivers, and I'm out of PCI slots to put a new card in. |
| [05:29:53] | just_joe_: | so it records fine in mythtv, im playing scrubs with vlc right now. but playback has no audio dvd playing has no audio etc |
| [05:30:09] | Rommie: | Not to mention the fact that having a changer is way nicer than a single DVD drive, and tends to scratch my DVDs less. |
| [05:30:23] | kormoc: | just_joe_, did you run the frontend in a term window and see what it says? |
| [05:31:00] | Tanthrix: | Rommie: So the quality loss you get from converting your dvd video from analog to digital to analog again pointlessly is less of a big deal than not having digital audio out? |
| [05:31:52] | Rommie: | Tanthrix: My eyes aren't as good as my ears – so yes :) |
| [05:31:56] | xris: | Rommie: pvr-150 has about a half-to-one-second delay in the encoder |
| [05:31:57] | just_joe_: | no good idea |
| [05:32:27] | Tanthrix: | Rommie: Hehe. Anyway, doesn't your projector have more inputs? If not, it would be trivial to find or built a switch box, and you'd get better quality. |
| [05:33:16] | Rommie: | Tanthrix: I'm holding off on running any new cables to the projector until we take care of our mouse problem – cables are just to expensive to replace all the time... |
| [05:34:01] | Tanthrix: | Mice, as in furry live creatures chewing on your cables? |
| [05:34:08] | Rommie: | Yep |
| [05:34:13] | Tanthrix: | That sucks. |
| [05:34:18] | Rommie: | Very much so. |
| [05:35:25] | Rommie: | My current VGA cable looks like swiss cheese (swiss is the one with all the holdes in it, right? :)) |
| [05:35:43] | kormoc: | might not wanna buy cheese flavored cables in the future :P |
| [05:37:53] | just_joe_: | hmm it says something is currently using /dev/dsp |
| [05:37:57] | Rommie: | Do you get noticeably bettery quality video going with component (converted to D-Sub to plug into the projector) over going svideo? |
| [05:38:18] | just_joe_: | how do you check that? |
| [05:38:45] | Rommie: | lsof /dev/dsp |
| [05:39:04] | Tanthrix: | Rommie: Yes, if your output is progressive. |
| [05:39:34] | just_joe_: | lsof /dev/dsp returns nothing (run from root) |
| [05:40:06] | Rommie: | Tanthrix: Component is native 16:9, right? |
| [05:40:16] | Tanthrix: | Rommie: Though, if you don't notice/care about the difference between your DVDs, and your dvds converted to analog, then digital, then analog again, you won't notice a difference ;) |
| [05:40:20] | Rommie: | just_joe_: lsof /dev/snd/* |
| [05:40:33] | Rommie: | Tanthrix: Kinda what I'm thinking :P |
| [05:40:35] | Tanthrix: | Rommie: Component isn't native anything – it, like VGA/DVI, can support many different resolutions. |
| [05:40:53] | just_joe_: | ahh |
| [05:41:07] | Rommie: | Tanthrix: Ok, was just reading something and it said component was native 16:9 and shouldn't be used for 4:3 content :) |
| [05:41:32] | just_joe_: | mixer_app /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| [05:41:56] | just_joe_: | firefox-b /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| [05:42:01] | just_joe_: | firefox-b /dev/snd/timer |
| [05:42:06] | Tanthrix: | Rommie: Regardless, it's stupid not to run your setup at its optimum setup just because of cables. Need to get your money's worth out of your setup, and cables are cheap if purchased from the right places. |
| [05:42:12] | just_joe_: | firefox-b /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| [05:42:15] | just_joe_: | thats it |
| [05:42:56] | Rommie: | So, firefox is using it |
| [05:43:45] | Rommie: | Tanthrix: To be honest, I highly doubt that my projector's output will be any different with svideo or component – its just not a high quality unit. |
| [05:44:02] | just_joe_: | oh! |
| [05:44:26] | Tanthrix: | Rommie: This may be true. |
| [05:44:46] | just_joe_: | that fixed it i was listening to peter gabriel remixes online. i thought the audio driver mixed everything together... |
| [05:45:31] | kormoc: | just_joe_, depends on the card and the driver |
| [05:46:39] | just_joe_: | ahh |
| [05:47:07] | Rommie: | Thanks guys, have a good one |
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| [06:02:48] | Netslayer: | can someone refresh my memory on lirc, are the kernel modules required to get the lirc devices? are these lirc kernel patches available anywhere as i dont see them in my vanilla kernel |
| [06:03:12] | Phrenic: | does anyone have an idea why mythfilldatabase won't update for me, every time it will download most of the data but then give me a read byte error, so I haven't had data for a while |
| [06:04:43] | mzb_d800: | Hi all ... during my latest experiments (ie. rebuilding mythbox) I'm having trouble setting up my grabber properly: |
| [06:05:14] | mzb_d800: | "No channels are configured to use grabber." |
| [06:05:33] | mzb_d800: | which is odd ... that grabber is set as the default for that source |
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| [06:06:01] | mzb_d800: | the grabber works, I can retrieve data ... just mythfilldatabase borks |
| [06:06:07] | mzb_d800: | any suggestions? |
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| [06:07:01] | tank-man: | what grabber? |
| [06:07:15] | tank-man: | Phrenic, did it start happening since like sept? |
| [06:07:16] | mzb_d800: | shepherd |
| [06:07:30] | mzb_d800: | (tv_grab_au) |
| [06:07:41] | mzb_d800: | just trying to reconfigure grabber (again) |
| [06:08:32] | tank-man: | Phrenic, are/were you using zap2it.labs? they shutdown |
| [06:09:37] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... fixed with: tv_grab_au --configure |
| [06:09:57] | mzb_d800: | not sure why I didn't think of that _before_ I started typing here ;) |
| [06:11:40] | Phrenic: | no, I switched over to data direct |
| [06:12:03] | Phrenic: | and I had problems before with zaptoit, it would do the same thing, but would eventually update |
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| [06:14:03] | bsdfox: | anyone got advice on removing those gradual lines that move from bottom to top on my recordings? seems to be worse on the pvr-500 tuners than the pvr-250 one.. I was thinking maybe a ferrite core but I dunno if it can be removed with a filter or..? |
| [06:14:40] | funbur1: | I recorded Heroes last night and myth seems to think that its only 16min 52sec long |
| [06:15:03] | funbur1: | i can watch the whole show, but can't ff rew or really do anything but pause after 16 mins |
| [06:15:21] | funbur1: | its been commflagged, but that's all |
| [06:15:38] | bsdfox: | mythcommflag -f "$VIDEODIR/${FILENAME}" --rebuild |
| [06:15:41] | bsdfox: | try that |
| [06:15:49] | funbur1: | this also seems to happen with every ep of sg atlantis |
| [06:15:49] | funbur1: | ok |
| [06:17:05] | funbur1: | oh there's a ${FILENAME}.tmp.map in there |
| [06:17:12] | funbur1: | shouldn't that get deleted? |
| [06:17:25] | bsdfox: | not sure, but I would think so |
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| [06:17:35] | bsdfox: | perhaps something is segfaulting? |
| [06:17:40] | funbur1: | well its rebuilding now, but the time has been corrected |
| [06:17:41] | bsdfox: | check dmesg |
| [06:17:52] | funbur1: | anything in dmesg is long gone |
| [06:18:14] | funbur1: | I also haven't had a successful removecommercials in ages |
| [06:18:21] | funbur1: | which I suspect is related |
| [06:18:36] | bsdfox: | I played around with that stuff pretty much all day |
| [06:18:43] | bsdfox: | finally got a working scheme I think |
| [06:18:53] | funbur1: | oh yeah? do tell? |
| [06:18:55] | funbur1: | ! |
| [06:19:02] | funbur1: | commflag is done |
| [06:19:08] | bsdfox: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials |
| [06:19:18] | bsdfox: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials |
| [06:19:20] | funbur1: | back to 16:52 |
| [06:19:23] | bsdfox: | using that script slightly modified |
| [06:19:35] | bsdfox: | ack, dunno then |
| [06:19:45] | funbur1: | that's what I'm using |
| [06:19:51] | funbur1: | what modifications did you make? |
| [06:20:03] | funbur1: | I added -m to mythtranscode |
| [06:20:16] | funbur1: | and moved --honorcutlist after the -i |
| [06:20:17] | bsdfox: | what's that do |
| [06:20:29] | funbur1: | tells it to always transcode to mpeg |
| [06:20:31] | bsdfox: | where did you modify the mythtranscode command line? |
| [06:20:41] | tank-man: | funbur1, try googling "mythtv corrupt mysqldb" |
| [06:20:58] | funbur1: | in the removecommercials script |
| [06:21:01] | funbur1: | thanks tank-man |
| [06:21:31] | funbur1: | i did reinstall that today |
| [06:21:54] | funbur1: | but my python my be all out of whack since I installed 2.5 |
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| [06:38:46] | funbur1: | tank-man: was there one in particular that you think might apply |
| [06:38:59] | funbur1: | I'm not seeing anything that matches in the first few pages |
| [06:40:25] | tank-man: | from the first hit i see, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html -> mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p<password> mythconverg |
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| [06:40:49] | funbur1: | interesting, I don't see that in my results |
| [06:41:09] | funbur1: | I did do that though |
| [06:41:16] | funbur1: | though I did a myisam check |
| [06:41:21] | funbur1: | typo |
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| [06:43:25] | tank-man: | did it work? |
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| [06:51:43] | funbur1: | all OK |
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| [08:11:54] | juski: | wow. Charlie Brooker's screenwipe – 1GB for a half hour show |
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| [08:19:55] | juski: | morning willcooke |
| [08:20:05] | willcooke: | woof |
| [08:20:14] | willcooke: | too many stella's last night. |
| [08:20:41] | juski: | I don't drink Stella anymore. too many arguments |
| [08:20:58] | juski: | like with cheap vodka & anything with 'Pils' in the name |
| [08:22:23] | willcooke: | I think something less strong would have been a much better idea |
| [08:22:31] | willcooke: | like orange squash |
| [08:23:28] | juski: | heheheh |
| [08:23:57] | juski: | we're gonna see about getting rory's jabs brought forward this weekend so we can take him of a big f.o. long walk |
| [08:25:09] | juski: | s/of/on |
| [08:25:10] | willcooke: | Excellent! It's nice out this time of year as well |
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| [08:35:05] | juski: | woo channel 4 are 25 this weekend? blimey |
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| [08:40:34] | willcooke: | juski, have you seen the trailer on (I think) more4? It's got all the C4 "celebs" from over the years. |
| [08:41:25] | juski: | there's a doc on More4 on sunday at 10pm |
| [08:42:11] | ** willcooke checks the listings ** | |
| [08:43:48] | willcooke: | man – that is a shit line up on More 4. repeats all day apart from that doc. at 10 |
| [08:44:05] | willcooke: | 7 episodes of "A place in spain" – ffs |
| [08:44:21] | juski: | you know about ABC1 being axed? |
| [08:46:00] | willcooke: | Ooo, no. to be replaced by Vrigin 1? |
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| [08:46:08] | juski: | don't think so |
| [08:46:21] | juski: | it's just being axed by Disney |
| [08:46:52] | willcooke: | Can't say I'll miss it. |
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| [08:48:53] | willcooke: | just checked the line up. Not much of interest. Home Improvement used to be interesting 10 years ago, and scrubs is ok. But that's it] |
| [08:49:58] | juski: | it's a bugger that it shares an xmltvid with the same channel which is on air for longer during the day |
| [08:51:29] | willcooke: | that's annoying! |
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| [09:51:25] | laga: | juski: http://www.virtualhosting.com/blog/2007/100-l . . . tock-images/ |
| [09:51:31] | laga: | juski: if you ever wanna made another theme :) |
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| [09:52:55] | juski: | free doesn't always mean GPL compatible |
| [09:53:51] | laga: | yu, but sometimes :) |
| [09:53:53] | juski: | saying that, G.A.N.T.'s images aren't GPL |
| [09:54:49] | laga: | GPL is not exactly a good choice for artwork (or documentation, for that matter) |
| [09:54:58] | directhex|work: | WTFPL |
| [09:55:00] | juski: | anyway my next theme will be _entirely_ my own work |
| [09:55:08] | directhex|work: | any other license is overly restrictive |
| [09:55:09] | juski: | no photos |
| [09:56:12] | juski: | laga: thinnk Isthmus but nice :) |
| [09:56:35] | laga: | heh |
| [09:57:11] | laga: | i improved my tv_grab_de_epgdata grabber a lot. now it'll only return channels you've configured. |
| [09:57:43] | laga: | takes about 3–4 minutes for 70 channels and 10 days |
| [09:59:35] | laga: | i use XML::Twig for xML parsing. after each programme is written, i flush the tree. otherwise, it'll ake up 300M of memory or more. unfortunately, the tree is flushed to stdout so it'll end up in the xmltv file :/ |
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| [10:06:23] | directhex|work: | does playing recordings via mythweb in swf require >0.20.2? |
| [10:07:55] | laga: | it requires trunk, yes |
| [10:08:33] | directhex|work: | poot |
| [10:08:39] | juski: | it requires a labotomy to want it though |
| [10:09:55] | directhex|work: | juski, i'm writing an article. i'm trying to decide what to cover & what not to cover |
| [10:13:31] | juski: | probably not worth mentioning. I don't think it's made much progress since it was first introduced |
| [10:14:05] | juski: | was still using the wrong aspect ratio last time I tried it & seeking didn't work |
| [10:14:27] | juski: | the n800 frontend might be worth taking peek at, especially the backend part of it |
| [10:14:52] | laga: | if you are stuck at the girlfriend's place where she wants tow atch reality tv, you *do* appreciate flash streaming |
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| [10:15:45] | directhex|work: | juski, i wasn't aware of an n800 frontend |
| [10:15:49] | juski: | I'd look for another girlfriend |
| [10:16:05] | juski: | one who puts out instead of wanting to watch reality TV :) |
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| [10:17:12] | juski: | laga: you seen that forum user 0perator with urls & an image in his sig? same image as his avatar too & it's bigger than the allowed size |
| [10:17:47] | juski: | wait a sec it's different everytime |
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| [10:19:52] | juski: | nifty trick. I should do that, link to a 32x32 avatar at first but then update it to 800x600 |
| [10:22:49] | laga: | thanks |
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| [10:32:16] | rooaus: | ahhh, at work today we had the subversion repository at work go south today, it was on a software raid 6 across 4 separate spindles. :( |
| [10:33:04] | rooaus: | caused by a mains short that also killed the ups the server was on. |
| [10:33:29] | willcooke: | whoops! |
| [10:34:26] | juski: | no in-duh-vidual UPS' for each machine? heh |
| [10:34:38] | juski: | that's a lesson learned then :) |
| [10:35:16] | DustyBin: | does the latest releases of myth-frontend still have memory leak issues? |
| [10:35:31] | rooaus: | juski: they do things cheap at work and wonder why these things happen. |
| [10:35:32] | juski: | if you use mythpython it does :P |
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| [10:36:11] | willcooke: | ARGH!!! That bloody ctrl-w again |
| [10:36:29] | directhex|work: | okay, fresh vista install on craptop |
| [10:36:35] | willcooke: | I should stop using nano |
| [10:37:05] | DustyBin: | ive removed nano and am starting to use vim |
| [10:37:07] | directhex|work: | nano rules! |
| [10:38:55] | willcooke: | I love nano, the only problem is that search is ctrl-w in nano, and everything else in the world uses ctrl-w to close a window |
| [10:39:20] | juski: | change nano's key setup |
| [10:39:37] | willcooke: | man nano |
| [10:39:42] | willcooke: | oops |
| [10:40:21] | juski: | oh god no. just been fwded the Renault McCann joke |
| [10:40:43] | willcooke: | tell me!! |
| [10:41:19] | juski: | It's Renault's new car which is really good for taking your kids on holiday but not so hot for bringing them back |
| [10:41:37] | willcooke: | ooooo |
| [10:41:40] | willcooke: | :) |
| [10:41:43] | directhex|work: | tee hee |
| [10:42:04] | juski: | there's another one along the lines of 'plenty of room for the kids in the boot' |
| [10:42:17] | directhex|work: | i like poor taste jokes |
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| [10:42:28] | willcooke: | http://www.sickipedia.org/ |
| [10:42:34] | juski: | so do I, and we're not in the minority |
| [10:42:56] | willcooke: | Why is the Bible like a penis? |
| [10:42:56] | willcooke: | You get it forced down your throat by a priest. |
| [10:43:40] | juski: | roflmao |
| [10:45:27] | rooaus: | juski: Actually the server was on it's own ups (cheap ass one), someone was using some mains equipment on the same circuit and it shorted out. Funny thing is the system partition (ext3, no raid) came up without any errors. |
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| [10:54:00] | juski: | sounds like something straight out of the Register's BOFH |
| [10:56:29] | directhex|work: | so. mythtv player, upnp. is there any other way to access recordings from windows that isn't utter wank? |
| [10:57:08] | laga: | willcooke: rotfl! |
| [10:57:17] | GreyFoxx: | other than upnp and something that doesn't use the mythprotocol ? |
| [10:57:54] | juski: | nero showtime. no wait. that's not even as good as utter wank |
| [10:58:36] | juski: | funny thing is, there are plenty free UPNP servers but where are all the players? |
| [11:01:44] | laga: | omg, sickipedia.org is sick |
| [11:02:43] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, mythtv player doesn't use the myth protocol? i thought it was tapeworm that didn't |
| [11:02:56] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, if not, i want to know why i was hacking protocol version .ini files to make it work with trunk |
| [11:03:26] | juski: | xbmcmythtv doesn't care about the protocol version much either |
| [11:04:11] | juski: | directhex|work: it'll be more a case of you just hack the procol version number & it just so happens that the stuff it needs the protocol for haven't changed |
| [11:04:51] | directhex|work: | juski, well the myth protocol is hardly the most stable or documented of protocols |
| [11:05:41] | juski: | true but the control methods don't change much |
| [11:07:01] | juski: | protocol versions change only to enforce feature/db commonality between versions, IMHO |
| [11:09:35] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|work: I was asking if you were looking for a method to access recordings without using something that uses mythprotocol or upnp, and there is a simple anwer |
| [11:09:58] | GreyFoxx: | samba/nfs share the recordings and use any player at your disposal :) |
| [11:10:39] | juski: | have a cron job run mythrename.pl --link every so often :) |
| [11:10:44] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [11:12:16] | juski: | hmm forget about the python plugin. Imagine a mythupnp client |
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| [11:12:26] | juski: | make it able to play music & video... |
| [11:13:07] | juski: | wonder if you could do scheduling over upnp too |
| [11:13:37] | dns_56: | i don't think it would be possible |
| [11:13:47] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, does anything play nipplevideo yet? i know some bugger will ignore sound advice & use an old wintv |
| [11:13:56] | juski: | not even with the upnp UI stuff? |
| [11:14:14] | GreyFoxx: | directhex|work: Under windows I pretty much exclusivly use vlc, and it seems to play it |
| [11:14:21] | juski: | directhex|work: you could just lie (but in a good way) & say it won't support wintv after 0.20 anymore |
| [11:15:10] | directhex|work: | don't think i have an nuvs left to test with |
| [11:15:31] | directhex|work: | except for an ancient recording from when myth still used .nuv extension for dvb |
| [11:15:58] | juski: | transcode one to mpeg4 :) |
| [11:19:11] | GreyFoxx: | I just fired one up and playback started fine. But if I seek through the file it dies. But I am not running the very latest vlc on here |
| [11:19:19] | juski: | lol. what's the difference between Paris Hilton & a bowling ball ? |
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| [11:25:09] | directhex|work: | i don't know. what's the difference between Paris Hilton & a bowling ball ? |
| [11:25:57] | juski: | you can only get 3 fingers in a bowling ball |
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| [11:32:08] | juski: | wooo jelly beans left in the kitchen for the taking :P |
| [11:32:54] | juski: | GERMONLINE FLAVOUR?! WTF! |
| [11:33:08] | juski: | *germoline I mean.. oops |
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| [11:37:35] | juski: | popcorn flavour? awesome! |
| [11:37:55] | juski: | I think the world might just have gained another Jelly Belly addict |
| [11:39:00] | laga: | have you looked for a sign saying "these were not jelly beans"? |
| [11:39:20] | juski: | lol |
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| [11:43:54] | ** directhex|work installs itunes, feels dirty ** | |
| [11:43:54] | ** juski wonders what Jelly Belly's name for the Germolene tasting bean is ** | |
| [11:44:05] | directhex|work: | tutti fruti? |
| [11:44:46] | juski: | dunno |
| [11:57:35] | juski: | ah the A&W root beer flavour. yuk |
| [11:58:20] | directhex|work: | yak! |
| [11:58:44] | juski: | people actually drink something that tastes of Germolene? weirdos |
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| [11:59:39] | juski: | I remember those chewing gum things you could get which tasted the same but came with smiley face transfers |
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| [12:09:04] | juski: | woo we've got Rory's innoculation date brought fwd to saturday :D |
| [12:09:35] | juski: | and the home have said it's likely we can take him out for walks & not have to confine him to the garden. happy happy joy |
| [12:09:53] | directhex|work: | you seem to be getting into this whole "dog" thing |
| [12:10:43] | juski: | yeah much more than I expected |
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| [12:11:43] | willcooke: | juski loves dogging |
| [12:12:03] | ** willcooke is back from his leaving dinner at the chip shop ** | |
| [12:12:04] | juski: | ! |
| [12:13:20] | juski: | I watched a documentary about dogging once, thinking for all the world it was made up. then when it was finished I went on the net & googled it. OMG! It's real! :O |
| [12:13:56] | juski: | I was thinking "nah, people can't really do that.. I mean swinging is one thing, but this 'dogging'? Ridiculous!" |
| [12:15:23] | willcooke: | it ain't nice |
| [12:16:04] | juski: | if the documentary was anything to go by, you won't be finding me lurking in picnic area car parks late at night |
| [12:16:51] | willcooke: | :) |
| [12:16:55] | juski: | MIWFWY |
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| [12:27:29] | juski: | ah. mac minis were updated in august. that's why I was shocked to find out you could get 1.83Ghz core2 duo for £399 |
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| [12:38:22] | juski: | oh no. mac mini's audio output is a combo jack. optical AND electrical in the same socket |
| [12:38:41] | juski: | zero WAF points |
| [12:39:03] | juski: | she hates having to turn the amp on to hear mythtv. |
| [12:39:05] | juski: | bum! |
| [12:39:44] | directhex|work: | as opposed to what? |
| [12:39:59] | juski: | as opposed to just hearing sound through the tv |
| [12:40:29] | juski: | that'd be a show-stopper |
| [12:40:41] | directhex|work: | so the problem is you want audio out into both the telly AND the amp at the same time? |
| [12:40:50] | directhex|work: | even when it's different, e.g. dolby passthru? |
| [12:41:26] | juski: | for that she doesn't mind cos it's not for everything |
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| [12:42:47] | juski: | but for soaps... (blech) |
| [12:42:59] | juski: | turning the amp on is too much of a faff |
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| [12:45:10] | juski: | that'sa bugger. shooting down the whole dream cos of one cheapo connector :( |
| [12:45:27] | juski: | complete deal breaker though |
| [12:46:07] | juski: | well, unless I can find a cable with both optical AND analogue ends |
| [12:46:35] | jduggan_: | usb sound? |
| [12:46:41] | laga: | juski: usb audio? |
| [12:46:42] | laga: | gah |
| [12:46:48] | jduggan_: | :P |
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| [12:47:05] | juski: | more expense, and detracting from the overall aesthetic |
| [12:47:21] | laga: | not if it's hidden somewhere *shrug* |
| [12:47:31] | jduggan_: | ive got an sb extigy |
| [12:47:34] | jduggan_: | its not ugly at all |
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| [12:47:41] | jduggan_: | bit old, but it works |
| [12:47:42] | jduggan_: | :) |
| [12:48:00] | juski: | extigy IS fugly |
| [12:48:01] | laga: | my X server crashed while i was away. which totally and completely sucks because it means the box is unstable. |
| [12:48:08] | juski: | and it's big |
| [12:48:37] | Lunar_Lamp: | laga: I'd settle for that atm :-( I updated to the latest gutsy version and now mythfrontend segfaults when I try to load it :-/ |
| [12:50:00] | laga: | Lunar_Lamp: gutsy here, too. the backtrace tells me it's related to the input deices. i've had those kinds of segfaults all the time when two X servers were sharing the same input devices accidently |
| [12:50:33] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, I'm not aware of there being two xservers running – I only have it plugged into the TV. |
| [12:50:38] | Lunar_Lamp: | I shall have to investigate it. |
| [12:50:53] | laga: | Lunar_Lamp: you're likely not to have two x servers running, it's a somewhat special setup here. |
| [12:51:10] | laga: | Lunar_Lamp: but /var/log/Xorg.0.log should have some details for you |
| [12:51:14] | laga: | or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| [12:51:35] | Lunar_Lamp: | Yeah, I didn't get a chance to do proper troubleshooting yesterday. |
| [12:51:47] | juski: | 2–3 week lead time for the PAL DVI-video adapter too |
| [12:52:23] | juski: | wonder if my yamaha amp has an IR blaster connection |
| [12:52:39] | juski: | I could just make mythfrontend turn it on automagically :) |
| [12:53:01] | juski: | oh. duh! I could always _modify_ it! |
| [12:53:14] | juski: | give it an IR input jack on the back. |
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| [12:55:43] | defaultro: | hi folks, anyone here uses redhat enterprise? I just have a quick question |
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| [12:56:26] | juski: | it's answer C if you're taking the test |
| [12:56:29] | juski: | always answer C |
| [13:00:01] | directhex|work: | i can't imagine any scenario where RHEL is on-topic for #mythtv-users |
| [13:00:10] | willcooke: | juski, did you used to have one of these: http://i16.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/b1/dd/8300_1.JPG |
| [13:00:46] | rooaus: | directhex|work: It isn't that far off topic thanks to Axel. |
| [13:01:41] | directhex|work: | rooaus, fedora and RHEL have zero in common |
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| [13:06:28] | rooaus: | directhex|work: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/262129#262129 :) |
| [13:08:10] | directhex|work: | *tender loving* insanity. absolute *tender loving* insanity |
| [13:08:17] | directhex|work: | what a complete waste of time & effort |
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| [13:13:25] | rooaus: | directhex|work: I guess the idea is that it is CentOS5 compatible and has support for a number of years? |
| [13:13:49] | directhex|work: | you'd be surprised how untrue that is in the real world |
| [13:16:20] | kslater: | directhex|work: but it doesn't go out of support nearly as fast as FC releases do. That b/c more of a factor with devices like DVR where once they're working, you don't tend to want to muck with them. |
| [13:17:40] | directhex|work: | i understand that. but RHEL is pain. its only value lies in Enterprise(tm) support |
| [13:18:41] | kslater: | or leaching off of that enterprise support |
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| [13:19:30] | kslater: | I have a client where we have Centos4 in place for just that reason. Redhat will fix security problems in RHEL4 and Centos gets those fixes and makes them available. Reasonable solution for SMB clients. |
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| [13:20:57] | directhex|work: | the quality of actual fixes or updates is no higher than on community distros – it's just there are many situations in Enterprise(tm) where the demand is made for exact distributions, or a support line |
| [13:21:38] | kslater: | good points and that certainly makes some mgmt types more comfortable |
| [13:21:50] | defaultro: | hey folks, were there any changes done on MythVideo? I couldn't get in, nothing is happening when I click it |
| [13:22:34] | rooaus: | directhex|work: Exactly, like running multi million dollar eda software... you only have support if running on qualified distros (read RHEL or Solaris) |
| [13:22:43] | defaultro: | oooh, I got this, 2007-09–26 08:15:05.096 Unable to initialize plugin 'mythvideo'. |
| [13:22:44] | directhex|work: | but if you run centos, you don't get the support, none of your isv apps are "supported" either because you're not running the correct qualified os (regardless of identicality). |
| [13:22:56] | directhex|work: | so you get a bad os, with no support to make up for it |
| [13:23:08] | defaultro: | any reasons why it couldn't initialize the plugin? |
| [13:23:22] | directhex|work: | defaultro, check which version of libmyth your mythvideo plugin links against? that's happened to me before |
| [13:23:31] | defaultro: | k |
| [13:23:46] | defaultro: | i remember seeing that too |
| [13:24:17] | defaultro: | but wait, i just svn'd last night all the 3 and recompiled/reinstalled everything |
| [13:24:23] | defaultro: | but let me see what it's using |
| [13:24:28] | rooaus: | directhex|work: Yeah, the cost of RHEL is trivial in comparison. |
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| [13:25:14] | directhex|work: | rooaus, i would never ever run rhel if i had the option of running something else. it's just sometimes the option isn't there |
| [13:27:40] | defaultro: | it does show i have the latest -> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 903566 Sep 26 08:25 /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so |
| [13:27:56] | defaultro: | all libmyth* files are Sept 26 |
| [13:28:49] | defaultro: | and I only have them in one location |
| [13:28:54] | rooaus: | defaultro: Did you install mythtv before compiling the plugins? (Could you have built the updated plugins against old libraries?) |
| [13:29:04] | defaultro: | i think so |
| [13:29:13] | defaultro: | ah |
| [13:29:21] | defaultro: | let me redo it :) |
| [13:29:27] | defaultro: | that makes sense |
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| [13:31:21] | directhex|work: | hm, creative labs just released their binary blob sound card driver for their latest gen cards |
| [13:32:59] | BassKozz: | I've got a couple of newb questions, 1. Does MythTV support multiple cores? |
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| [13:34:03] | BassKozz: | 2. How many tuners can mythTV handle? |
| [13:34:35] | rooaus: | 12 without hacking the kernel |
| [13:34:58] | directhex|work: | BassKozz, as many cores as you can throw at it (what does "support" mean though? |
| [13:35:09] | directhex|work: | BassKozz, and 12 per machine, but mythtv supports multiple servers in one setup |
| [13:35:32] | ** rooaus looks for that thread ** | |
| [13:35:37] | BassKozz: | I mean I want to build a sick MythTV box, and I want to use a quadcord CPU and at least 4 tuners, is a quadcore overkill for this? |
| [13:36:44] | directhex|work: | BassKozz, what do you want the cores to be doing? |
| [13:37:49] | directhex|work: | it *might* be overkill, depending on your use case. if you use real tv cards (mpeg encoders or digital tuners) then recording tv has almost no cpu load |
| [13:37:59] | BassKozz: | Well is it nessessary to have a core per tuner for recording/playback/streaming, etc... I guess i am looking for info on MythTV's performance with different setups so that I can figure out what purchases I need to make for my new box with out going overboard |
| [13:38:21] | directhex|work: | an old pentium 3 box would accept several real tuners without breaking a sweat |
| [13:38:24] | BassKozz: | and these would all be HD streams |
| [13:38:56] | directhex|work: | cpu intensive myth tasks: commercial flagging, transcoding, playing hdtv |
| [13:39:00] | rooaus: | I was wrong, it was 8 by default and the guy wanted to use 12. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/284705#284705 |
| [13:39:02] | BassKozz: | ahh, ok, so maybe it is overkill then... also I would probably want to run a software Raid 5 to keep my shows (somewhat) protected |
| [13:39:18] | directhex|work: | i/o intensive tasks: recording hdtv |
| [13:39:48] | BassKozz: | rooaus: and that guy had a serious system " HP DL720 with 8x Xeon CPUs and 16GB RAM. " |
| [13:39:59] | jarle_: | BassKozz: To actually playback these shows on the other hand, for THAT you will need a top notch CPU... |
| [13:40:03] | directhex|work: | but the ideal mythtv setup is a mythtv *setup*, not a single mythtv *box* |
| [13:40:18] | directhex|work: | i.e. split the big noisy disk-filled system away from the quiet sexy playback system |
| [13:40:29] | BassKozz: | directhex|work: so where can I find info on how much system I would need for 4 HD tuners recording/playback/streaming? |
| [13:40:37] | juski: | willcooke: hell yeah! woooooooooo.. woo./.... |
| [13:41:15] | directhex|work: | BassKozz, about 20mbit/sec of i/o bandwidth per hd stream |
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| [13:42:10] | directhex|work: | BassKozz, and a dual-core cpu to play back. this all assumes h264, which is the format of choice for hd in europe. for mpeg2, cpu requirements are lower |
| [13:42:27] | juski: | willcooke: a mate of mine had one with a mike attached to it for PA use too |
| [13:42:35] | directhex|work: | playing h264 hd smoothly will require the very latest decoder code from ffmpeg, which isn't quite in mythtv yet last i checked, but is due Real Soon Now |
| [13:43:12] | BassKozz: | Thanks for the info :) |
| [13:43:36] | directhex|work: | BassKozz, how are you planning on getting the HD streams into the system? |
| [13:44:02] | directhex|work: | BassKozz, geographical location (local laws, cable/sat operators, etc) make all the difference |
| [13:44:03] | BassKozz: | Are there any MythTV support forums? or is the mailing list (http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/) the only one? |
| [13:44:20] | BassKozz: | directhex|work: US, Comcast Cable |
| [13:44:31] | BassKozz: | Don't the cable providers have to accept cable cards? |
| [13:44:37] | directhex|work: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/ but the mailing list is probably more useful |
| [13:44:51] | BassKozz: | Can't I just use a cable card to record HD? |
| [13:45:06] | GreyFoxx: | BassKozz: There are no official forums |
| [13:45:19] | directhex|work: | BassKozz, CableCard(tm) is the most locked-down monstrosity ever. they won't even sell the buggers, they send an engnieer to your house to install it into an approved vendor-sold vista pc |
| [13:45:38] | fysa: | I don't believe CableCARD works with Myth yet? You can use QAM to capture unencrypted stations or firewire to use Myth to pull the MPEG TS off of your cable set-top box. |
| [13:45:41] | juski: | forums suck |
| [13:45:48] | laga: | cablecards suck |
| [13:46:14] | directhex|work: | getting encrypted hd is unlikely to happen, unless you have one of those cable boxes with a *working* firewire port |
| [13:46:20] | directhex|work: | well. four of those boxes, but the point stands |
| [13:46:21] | GreyFoxx: | Cablecard doesn't work under linux. the information on using it is tightly guarded by cablelabs to specifically keep people like us Linux users away from it |
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| [13:46:26] | directhex|work: | motorola somethingorother i think |
| [13:46:49] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, that's because linux users are pirates! |
| [13:46:51] | directhex|work: | yarr! |
| [13:46:54] | BassKozz: | ohh kay, it looks like my dreams have been crushed :( |
| [13:47:03] | BassKozz: | seriously thou, how can I get HD then? |
| [13:47:26] | directhex|work: | BassKozz, with whatever crapbox your cable provider permits you to use out of the goodness of their hearts |
| [13:47:26] | GreyFoxx: | BassKozz: Many do it via ATSC (free over the air depending on where you live) plus many settop boxes have firewire out which you can record from |
| [13:47:46] | willcooke: | juski, http://www.amazon.com/Super-Siren-Yellow-Horn . . . p/B000UAUEI8 |
| [13:48:10] | BassKozz: | ok, so I use the Comcast CrapBox and port the HDMI or component out into my mythTV box correct? |
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| [13:48:23] | BassKozz: | but how does MythTV send IR signals to the crap box? |
| [13:48:31] | BassKozz: | to change channels etc... ? |
| [13:48:49] | directhex|work: | with an ir blaster, which pretends to be a remote |
| [13:48:59] | directhex|work: | assuming you find a supported dvi or component capture card for linux |
| [13:49:03] | BassKozz: | ahh, ok MythTV supports the IR blaster :) |
| [13:49:11] | GreyFoxx: | BassKozz: Bug them for firewire. In the US there is some legal requirement for them to provide it on request |
| [13:49:17] | directhex|work: | which won't happen, hence people using firewire as the best option |
| [13:49:30] | GreyFoxx: | but what channels are available on it will depending on how much of a jerk they are |
| [13:50:32] | BassKozz: | ok, so I can connect a firewire enabled box directly to my mythbox? |
| [13:50:36] | GreyFoxx: | Yes |
| [13:50:47] | GreyFoxx: | It's prettysweet |
| [13:50:47] | BassKozz: | nice... IR blaster is a pain in the ass |
| [13:51:04] | BassKozz: | BRB Thanks for the help |
| [13:51:16] | juski: | ducking hell. peanut butter flavour jellybeans! |
| [13:52:32] | directhex|work: | juski, brings new meaning to "peanut butter & jelly"! |
| [13:53:06] | juski: | 4 calories per bean too |
| [13:54:09] | juski: | EIGHTEEN QUID PER KILO!!!!!!!!! |
| [13:55:26] | directhex|work: | juski, aye :/ |
| [13:55:32] | directhex|work: | juski, cheaper than smack! |
| [13:56:15] | juski: | about as addictive though |
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| [13:56:51] | directhex|work: | have some rum instead |
| [13:56:54] | directhex|work: | much tastier |
| [13:58:11] | juski: | NSFW though ;) |
| [13:58:35] | directhex|work: | pfft, your office sucks |
| [13:59:08] | DustyBin: | i havent myth'tv'd for ages |
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| [14:00:25] | DustyBin: | my backend is pretty solid |
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| [14:00:35] | CaptObviousman: | you must work out |
| [14:00:39] | DustyBin: | the front end crashes sometimes |
| [14:00:43] | CaptObviousman: | what do you do, squats? lunges? |
| [14:00:49] | DustyBin: | but can easily be restarted |
| [14:00:59] | DustyBin: | heh |
| [14:01:28] | rooaus: | juski: You were asking the other day about video profile info, don't know if you saw http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/292126#292126 |
| [14:01:42] | DustyBin: | im in the process of building a pfsense firewall box |
| [14:01:53] | DustyBin: | what runs on CF |
| [14:02:03] | rooaus: | maybe the beginnings of a wiki page |
| [14:02:59] | kash: | CaptObviousman, lol, i c wut u did thar. |
| [14:03:25] | DustyBin: | what other stuff do you guys run on the same box as mythtv? |
| [14:03:39] | CaptObviousman: | DustyBin: front or back? |
| [14:04:02] | DustyBin: | either, start with the back |
| [14:04:26] | juski: | samba, nfs |
| [14:04:31] | juski: | ntp |
| [14:04:32] | CaptObviousman: | front I would leave alone. It's just a front |
| [14:04:35] | DustyBin: | aye |
| [14:04:52] | CaptObviousman: | back you can throw some other things on, as long as you don't compromise your bus speeds and network connection |
| [14:05:12] | DustyBin: | ok |
| [14:05:20] | CaptObviousman: | what juski mentioned, and I plan on throwing on an LDAP server and also KTorrent |
| [14:05:24] | juski: | rooaus: cheers |
| [14:05:43] | laga: | rooaus: thanks for the link |
| [14:05:46] | CaptObviousman: | not sure if KTorrent will stay |
| [14:05:54] | juski: | so does the opengl renderer now mean that ATI users can use mythtv without big cpu usage? |
| [14:06:30] | juski: | and what does 'modern GPU' mean? |
| [14:06:41] | defaultro: | rooas, I've recompiled mythtv after mythplugin and I still can't get to mythvideo :( I get this in the log -> 2007-09–26 09:00:27.314 Unable to initialize plugin 'mythvideo'. |
| [14:07:20] | juski: | defaultro: supposed to build mythtv first |
| [14:07:28] | juski: | then build mythplugins |
| [14:07:34] | defaultro: | that's what i had last night |
| [14:07:38] | juski: | and it helps if mythtv & mythplugins are the same version |
| [14:07:41] | defaultro: | mythplugin was first |
| [14:07:45] | DustyBin: | my front and back is on same box, i run: mythtv, zoneminder, bind9, postfix, nfs, ktorrent, apache and dont have any issues at all |
| [14:07:46] | juski: | like cheked out at the same time |
| [14:07:50] | defaultro: | yes, they are the same version |
| [14:08:04] | defaultro: | i svn all the 3 at the same time |
| [14:08:11] | juski: | defaultro: compile & install mythtv first, not mythplugins |
| [14:08:17] | defaultro: | yes |
| [14:08:22] | defaultro: | that's what I did |
| [14:08:36] | defaultro: | let me go to mythplugins again, maybe, I wasn't watching the screen |
| [14:09:06] | juski: | make sure you ran ./configure & ended up with the same prefix for both |
| [14:09:09] | defaultro: | it did say -> MythVideo plugin will be built |
| [14:09:14] | defaultro: | yes |
| [14:09:22] | defaultro: | i all have them in /usr/local/bin |
| [14:09:34] | defaultro: | all the libs to have todays date |
| [14:09:48] | defaultro: | then I did locate libmyth and only found them in one place |
| [14:10:08] | defaultro: | I will rebuild mythplugin again |
| [14:10:13] | defaultro: | now it's after mythtv |
| [14:10:21] | rooaus: | defaultro: The plugins use the installed (not from the source directory tree) mythtv libraries/headers to build against |
| [14:10:26] | juski: | it should always be built & installed after mythtv |
| [14:10:58] | juski: | hence, make thenmake install mythtv BEFORE building the plugins |
| [14:11:54] | rooaus: | juski: I think a modern gpu is a 6 or 7 series nvidia, there was talk of even using 8 series only stuff I think in time. |
| [14:12:01] | defaultro: | yeah, juski, you are correct, that's what I remember doing before |
| [14:12:17] | defaultro: | i got confused rooaus suggestion earlier :P |
| [14:12:50] | defaultro: | let's see |
| [14:13:05] | defaultro: | so what I did last night was correct |
| [14:13:44] | juski: | it won't harm to make install mythtv again, then build the plugins after distclean |
| [14:14:46] | defaultro: | no luck |
| [14:14:53] | juski: | did you forget to run make install as rooty the plugins? ;) |
| [14:14:55] | defaultro: | nothing is happening when I click it |
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| [14:15:00] | defaultro: | i am root |
| [14:15:23] | juski: | now, you do know mythfrontend only checks for plugins at startup yes? |
| [14:15:30] | defaultro: | yes |
| [14:15:38] | defaultro: | i killed them both and restarted |
| [14:15:42] | juski: | like you didn't leave mythfrontend running THEN installed the plugins... |
| [14:15:46] | defaultro: | nope |
| [14:15:51] | defaultro: | i killed then make instlal |
| [14:16:06] | defaultro: | that's why if you see above, I mentioned that I will run it now :) |
| [14:16:37] | rooaus: | defaultro: check the install output, the install steps can have errors but keep going. |
| [14:16:37] | juski: | hmm scan.co.uk have a nice sandisk sansa 4gb thingy for under £60. rockbox-able too |
| [14:16:49] | defaultro: | now i got three failed plugins, mythnews,mythvideo and mythweather |
| [14:16:55] | defaultro: | ok |
| [14:17:00] | juski: | woo new deinterlace methods too? |
| [14:17:12] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, it's time to come up with a "good" method to kill an emulator via the remote when you are using mythgame |
| [14:17:21] | DustyBin: | has anyone heard of jetaway mobos? they make nice small ones, might be good for frontend |
| [14:17:36] | rooaus: | juski: And more to come apparently :) |
| [14:17:37] | defaultro: | rooaus, which file could it be for mythplugins |
| [14:17:43] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe I should let it keep watching for remote codes and if ESCAPE is pressed issue a kill for the pid of the launched emulator |
| [14:17:47] | juski: | rooaus: with documentation? rofl |
| [14:17:55] | rooaus: | lol |
| [14:18:09] | rooaus: | documentation is for wimps |
| [14:18:12] | juski: | from that thread you linked to it looks like a nightmare for noobs |
| [14:18:46] | defaultro: | i don't see much in config.log |
| [14:19:02] | juski: | though judging by all the myythfrontend output I've seen in my life it'd be fairly easy to autoconfig |
| [14:19:03] | defaultro: | i will redo mythplugins again, i think that's the culprit |
| [14:19:07] | rooaus: | absolutely, I have been going to suggest a "Reset to defaults" feature. To many dials and knobs to mess up. |
| [14:19:34] | juski: | Xv detected? gl? xvmc possible? duh... |
| [14:19:40] | rooaus: | defaultro: make install > install.log 2>&1 |
| [14:20:33] | defaultro: | i just did a make distclean |
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| [14:20:39] | defaultro: | let's see if that will fix it |
| [14:21:03] | rooaus: | afk |
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| [14:21:12] | defaultro: | what is afk? |
| [14:21:14] | jams: | GreyFoxx- excellent idea for killing the emulator |
| [14:21:58] | jams: | DustyBin- i should have a jetway board on the way for eval. It's a few weeks delayed but i will let you know when it gets here |
| [14:22:16] | defaultro: | what;s a jetway jams? |
| [14:22:46] | jams: | it's a namebrand, but they have recently released some mini-itx boards |
| [14:23:13] | defaultro: | ah |
| [14:23:16] | directhex|work: | GreyFoxx, sounds like a good approach |
| [14:23:36] | defaultro: | hey guys, you know some 1080p trailer for fifth element somewhere? |
| [14:23:38] | directhex|work: | they're not a big name at all. mostly sell to eastern europe iirc |
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| [14:24:27] | DustyBin: | jams: aye thanks |
| [14:26:59] | DustyBin: | im waiting for this mobo to be released for firewall box http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2b3.htm |
| [14:27:45] | directhex|work: | DustyBin, alix? |
| [14:27:49] | DustyBin: | yes |
| [14:27:55] | DustyBin: | used to be wrap |
| [14:28:00] | directhex|work: | how about altix instead? pretty close! |
| [14:28:09] | DustyBin: | never heard of that?1 |
| [14:29:43] | defaultro: | rooas, no errors in install. Firing it up now |
| [14:30:15] | rooaus: | back now, good luck |
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| [14:42:31] | defaultro: | it works now |
| [14:42:43] | defaultro: | :) |
| [14:42:54] | defaultro: | the cleaning help |
| [14:42:58] | defaultro: | helped |
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| [14:44:10] | rooaus: | defaultro: that is good, if you ever have weird behaviour do a distclean first. It does mean that your build takes longer though. |
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| [15:03:39] | rooaus: | goodnight |
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| [15:11:20] | CaptObviousman: | they're dropping like flies |
| [15:15:59] | directhex|work: | goddamn i'm a posh git |
| [15:16:11] | CaptObviousman: | buh? |
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| [15:18:03] | directhex|work: | writing my article. i'm going for chapter titles no bugger will get the reference to without far too much education |
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| [15:19:38] | directhex|work: | including a world war 2 poem, 1900s comic artist heath robinson (a british rube goldberg a few years earlier), and the bible in the original latin |
| [15:20:02] | laga: | what's the bible reference? |
| [15:20:45] | directhex|work: | In principio creavit Deus caelum et terram |
| [15:21:03] | CaptObviousman: | in the beginning god created heaven and earth |
| [15:21:05] | CaptObviousman: | that's not hard at all |
| [15:21:09] | laga: | anfone with half a brain cell gets that |
| [15:21:10] | laga: | ;) |
| [15:21:13] | laga: | s/anfone/anyone/ |
| [15:21:15] | directhex|work: | laga, so not americans then? |
| [15:21:19] | laga: | ah, right |
| [15:21:20] | laga: | sorry |
| [15:21:28] | ** CaptObviousman mutters ** | |
| [15:21:31] | directhex|work: | Today, we have naming of parts |
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| [15:28:29] | robbins876: | if i uninstall KDE and it says "remvoing for dependancies mythlibs, etc" |
| [15:28:40] | robbins876: | does that mean i'll have to reinstall all of those myth things too? |
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| [15:34:13] | directhex|work: | what's your distribution? mythtv uses Qt, which is the same widget library used by KDE |
| [15:34:36] | robbins876: | fedora |
| [15:34:38] | gbee: | there is no dependancy by mythtv on KDE, but mythbrowser – an optional plugin does use konqueror |
| [15:35:08] | gbee: | shouldn't need the KDE packages to install mythtv or it's libs |
| [15:35:14] | robbins876: | i uninstalled KDE using the add/remove programs thing because KDE was messed up and I wanted to re-install it, but it said it had to remove dependencies for mythlibs or something like htat |
| [15:35:21] | robbins876: | and now mythfrontend doesn't work |
| [15:35:25] | robbins876: | so it must have done something |
| [15:35:47] | robbins876: | bash: mythfrontend: command not found |
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| [15:40:36] | robbins876: | yeah, it looks like it's totally gone |
| [15:40:43] | robbins876: | does that mean my mysql DB is probably gone too? |
| [15:41:01] | robbins876: | or should i be able to recover that after re install? |
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| [15:41:47] | kslater: | you'd be wise to look now before assuming it will be there after a re-install of any component |
| [15:42:19] | Patina: | robbins876: Try running mysql from the commandline, you can browse around your databases with that. |
| [15:42:38] | robbins876: | how will i get it back into myth? |
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| [15:44:07] | Patina: | If you somehow uninstalled mythfrontend, then reinstall it. |
| [15:44:24] | Patina: | I don't know if that will erase your database though. |
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| [15:44:40] | robbins876: | my database seems to still be intact |
| [15:45:00] | Patina: | So, make backup, just in case. |
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| [15:50:54] | kslater: | in case anyone else was interested in the SQE on NB 6 Beta 1 issue: https://sqe.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=17 |
| [15:51:04] | kslater: | doh |
| [15:51:09] | kslater: | wrong channel |
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| [16:37:43] | linagee: | anyone know why my upcoming recordings is blank in 0.20? |
| [16:37:51] | linagee: | but yet listings is populated? hrm |
| [16:38:30] | laga: | you forgot to assign your video source to your tv card |
| [16:38:31] | Hoxzer: | :/ I'm personally having wierd problems with mythtv marking a show as recording in db but not saving anything as file have to check that when test week is over |
| [16:38:44] | Hoxzer: | s/recording/recorded |
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| [16:41:23] | linagee: | laga: ack. do i have to use the frontend to do this, or is there a way through mythweb? |
| [16:41:33] | laga: | linagee: mythtv-setup |
| [16:41:59] | linagee: | laga: that presents an X11 gui, right? :-/ |
| [16:42:29] | ** linagee needs a windows X11 server. argh ** | |
| [16:43:52] | laga: | or get vnc |
| [16:44:08] | RaYmAn-Bx: | linagee: can't remember the same but there is this natively ported X server (i.e. non-cygwin) somewhere..quite good |
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| [16:45:07] | jams: | xming |
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| [16:46:23] | dablitz: | hello channel can someone help me out with something |
| [16:47:21] | laga: | read the faq |
| [16:47:39] | dablitz: | doing that now |
| [16:48:15] | linagee: | RaYmAn-Bx: trying cygwin/x now |
| [16:48:27] | RaYmAn-Bx: | urk |
| [16:48:31] | RaYmAn-Bx: | xming is so much better |
| [16:48:37] | linagee: | bah. this is sucking. maybe i can do freenx or something |
| [16:48:51] | linagee: | (it's just not configured on this server yet. :-/) |
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| [17:04:06] | bsdfox_: | I use freenx fwiw linagee |
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| [17:10:18] | linagee: | bsdfox_: fwiw? |
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| [17:14:26] | dablitz: | ok in the faq i cannot seem to find the answer to my issues |
| [17:15:43] | dablitz: | when I start myth frontend it starts then dies |
| [17:15:58] | dablitz: | 2007-09–26 13:13:29.183 Media status changed... (MEDIATYPE_DATA, MEDIASTAT_UNPLUGGED -> MEDIASTAT_NOTMOUNTED) |
| [17:15:58] | dablitz: | Aborted |
| [17:16:07] | dablitz: | is the last 3 lines |
| [17:16:32] | dablitz: | the backend is running fine |
| [17:16:57] | laga: | you need go get a backtrace then |
| [17:17:14] | dablitz: | how do I do that |
| [17:17:42] | laga: | it's covered in the documentation |
| [17:17:47] | dablitz: | ok |
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| [17:19:45] | Dagmar: | ALl this just to get bloody channel 4 to come in clearly. *sigh* |
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| [17:19:51] | linagee: | ok, i got freenx going. trying mythtv-setup.... (Taking a while still. argh) |
| [17:20:20] | linagee: | i have the funky cartoon wrench |
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| [17:53:14] | bsdfox_: | linagee: "for what it's worth" |
| [17:55:14] | directhex: | mythtv player is embarassingly easy |
| [17:56:27] | bsdfox_: | what is that |
| [17:56:38] | robbins61: | i agree, what is that? |
| [17:57:38] | juski_: | suspect it's something for (cough) portable devices |
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| [17:57:50] | juski_: | maybe part of the gmyth project |
| [17:58:12] | directhex: | no, it's the windows one |
| [17:58:16] | juski_: | or maybe it's the windows thingy |
| [17:58:32] | directhex: | step 1: enter hostname in box. step 2: click recordings, and select the recording you want |
| [17:58:35] | juski_: | it works better than it looks :) |
| [17:58:40] | juski_ is now known as juski | |
| [17:58:44] | directhex: | it's not a "full" frontend, but it's trivial. really trivial |
| [17:59:05] | juski: | it's about a million zillion times better than winmyth ever was |
| [17:59:17] | directhex: | yes |
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| [17:59:42] | juski: | ooo crashy. I didn't mind the fact that winmyth crashed so much – more the fact it liked to take my backend down with it |
| [17:59:57] | SiD3WiNDR: | that's rather because the backend code sucks so bad |
| [18:00:00] | SiD3WiNDR: | *ducks* |
| [18:00:26] | juski: | oh yeah it sucks so bad it stays up for _months_ on end without any problems |
| [18:00:52] | GreyFoxx: | while obviously if smething hsa a bug which can crash it the bug needs to be fixed. that doesn't mean the entire app/code "sucks". |
| [18:01:06] | GreyFoxx: | Otherwise every since version of every single app "sucks so bad" |
| [18:01:50] | juski: | anyway, first impressions count, and taking my backend offline just by opening an app on a different machine – I vowed never to use it or recommend it to anybody again |
| [18:02:16] | directhex: | mt-daapd works too. music in itunes. even my oggs, via the xiph.org quicktime components project |
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| [18:02:50] | GreyFoxx: | juski: Well, for all it's faults no app should be able to do that to the backend |
| [18:03:03] | ** GreyFoxx wonders if anyone even used winmyth anymore with a current backend ** | |
| [18:03:30] | juski: | I can't figure out all these propriatary shennanigans. I mean is it not better for more apps to just work (tm) with other apps nicely without all the layers of obsfurcation? |
| [18:03:44] | GreyFoxx: | juski: It's about locking the customer in :) |
| [18:03:47] | GreyFoxx: | and "value adds" |
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| [18:04:07] | juski: | I've yet to find any value iTunes adds to anything |
| [18:04:16] | directhex: | juski, none, but people use it! |
| [18:04:34] | directhex: | juski, you think i care about a streamlined windows experience for ME? no! it's for the other poor sods! |
| [18:04:40] | juski: | all the CDs I ripped with it sound tinny compared to CDs ripped with other programs |
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| [18:07:55] | directhex: | 1 more windows screenshot to take, for now |
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| [18:08:54] | NeoFax: | Hello everyone! New mythtv user. |
| [18:09:12] | juski: | new == not yet a mythtv user ? |
| [18:09:21] | NeoFax: | I have a question on how to set default recording video card. |
| [18:09:34] | juski: | tuner card priorities |
| [18:09:43] | NeoFax: | I have mythbuntu setup and it is working well. |
| [18:09:51] | NeoFax: | How do I set that up? |
| [18:10:26] | NeoFax: | tuner card priorities I mean |
| [18:10:43] | NeoFax: | Is it in mythtv-setup or in the frontend? |
| [18:10:56] | juski: | mythtv-setup IIRC |
| [18:11:02] | directhex: | it'd be in mythtv-setup, as it's a recording-specific question |
| [18:11:12] | NeoFax: | OK, thanks I will look there. |
| [18:11:25] | juski: | input connections |
| [18:11:58] | NeoFax: | Also, how do I have mythtv auto transcode my media to two different formats? i.e. to PSP and xvid? |
| [18:12:04] | juski: | input connections, then select the tuner, then select the priority field at the bottom |
| [18:12:33] | juski: | NeoFax: no built-in transcoder profiles exist for those |
| [18:13:05] | NeoFax: | Would I use a special User job that sends the stdin to two different programs? |
| [18:13:18] | directhex: | the psp will open xvid, as long as it's at the exact right resolution and container |
| [18:13:28] | juski: | you could do that. see the wiki page about user jobs |
| [18:13:29] | directhex: | xvid's just an mpeg4 implementation |
| [18:13:48] | NeoFax: | On the Ubuntu forums they have a write-up that shows how to set different transcodes, but only to one format. Not two. |
| [18:14:22] | juski: | and there are example scripts at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/contrib |
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| [18:14:31] | NeoFax: | directhex: Yes, but the PVR-500 records in MPEG-2 and it uses alot of space on the disk. |
| [18:14:38] | juski: | boo hoo |
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| [18:14:50] | juski: | so get a bigger hdd, or just watch & delete more :) |
| [18:15:12] | NeoFax: | juski: I would buy a bigger disk if I wasn't unemployed at the moment. |
| [18:15:18] | directhex: | NeoFax, there are advantages to keeping it as is |
| [18:15:22] | juski: | from my own perspective transcoding stuff I'm only going to end up deleting is a waste of time |
| [18:15:53] | NeoFax: | juski: True, but alot of the stuff I record is movies that I want to keep. |
| [18:16:07] | juski: | making good quality xvid isn't easy |
| [18:16:16] | directhex: | xvid blows. h264! |
| [18:16:27] | NeoFax: | Normal day to day TV shows I do just delete. Also, I send alot of the TV stuff to friends in the desert right now. |
| [18:16:36] | juski: | making good quality h264 isn't easy either |
| [18:16:48] | juski: | NeoFax: we don't talk about sharing TV shows here |
| [18:16:57] | georgek: | xvid's can be great for all the movie pirates out there on usenet. |
| [18:17:04] | directhex: | meh. sacrifice the cycles on the important things – the best motion detection, the best deinterlacing |
| [18:17:10] | directhex: | make the effort for 2-pass |
| [18:17:19] | directhex: | georgek, movie pirates are generally shit |
| [18:17:23] | georgek: | heh |
| [18:17:38] | juski: | they're all terrorists anyway, or something |
| [18:17:44] | NeoFax: | So, if not xvid, then what? |
| [18:17:45] | directhex: | georgek, every time i saw a rip of a movie where the original dvd had a steteo dolby track at 180k... and they transcoded to 192k mp3... ARGH! |
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| [18:20:46] | juski: | NeoFax: here, have a play with this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ipod_export |
| [18:21:33] | juski: | change the ffmpeg command parameters, or do your own thang with mencoder & stuff |
| [18:22:26] | juski: | quality isn't ultimately _that_ important for portable devices with their small displays |
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| [18:26:42] | juski: | oh God. What a disheartening sight. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . w_Plugins%29 |
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| [18:28:12] | CaptObviousman: | that list is huge |
| [18:28:51] | CaptObviousman: | on a different note, I came in to some extra money today, so the mythtv box is happening sooner rather than later |
| [18:28:51] | georgek: | heh, and ebay module |
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| [18:31:15] | edico: | hello |
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| [19:15:22] | jams: | wow, someone wants an ebay module |
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| [19:16:30] | laga: | get mythbrowser :/ |
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| [19:24:50] | ** stuarta m00's ** | |
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| [19:28:02] | stuarta: | evening happy campers. |
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| [19:28:21] | ** laga is not a happy camper ** | |
| [19:28:32] | stuarta: | :( |
| [19:28:48] | jams: | laga- perl got you down? |
| [19:28:58] | laga: | yes |
| [19:29:00] | laga: | :/ |
| [19:29:21] | stuarta: | trying to make rpms from perl cpan modules is enough to make you suicidal |
| [19:29:27] | stuarta: | been doing it for 2 days |
| [19:29:30] | laga: | oh |
| [19:29:33] | laga: | poor stuarta |
| [19:29:48] | stuarta: | yeah, damn circular dependecies |
| [19:32:18] | laga: | i must be smoking crack. |
| [19:33:03] | stuarta: | what's up with your perl? |
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| [19:34:23] | laga: | writing an xmltv grabber. it's based on tv_grab_se_swedb. we both use xmltv's ParseOptions stuff to parse CLI arguments. except that mine won#t work properly and will accept different options. |
| [19:34:35] | ** laga wanders off ** | |
| [19:35:38] | stuarta: | hmpf, sounds a bit like php-pear-SOAP where the wdsl access to multiple webservices, only ever returns data from the first webservice. |
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| [19:36:08] | laga: | ohy, found the problem. i needed to set another capability |
| [19:36:30] | ** stuarta cheers for laga ** | |
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| [19:38:43] | laga: | yeah, apiconfig was missing. so, in order to make my grabber output a list of channels, i also need to implement an xml interface for third part yapps |
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| [19:45:22] | pogopope: | so I'm trying to use mythtv with mythweb to stream my downloaded videos via mythvideo but I'm not using a tv tuner since i'm not after that functionality. mythweb has a dependency on channels.php having channel data which i of course can't config since there isn't a tuner present |
| [19:46:24] | pogopope: | anyone ever tried a tuner-less setup or think i can perhaps dumby my channels.php with someone elses just to be able to navigate to the appropriate tab in mythweb? |
| [19:46:33] | Dagmar: | If you have no tuners, then you don't have recorded content |
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| [19:46:55] | gbee: | laga: apiconfig is cool anyway |
| [19:47:01] | ** stuarta m00's some more ** | |
| [19:47:06] | pogopope: | right, but I'm not looking to do anything with recorded content. i'm trying to set up a streaming server. |
| [19:47:07] | laga: | gbee: won't be cool unless it's used. |
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| [19:47:33] | gbee: | it will be, I just need to stop being so lazy and implement it in mythtv |
| [19:47:47] | laga: | heh |
| [19:48:04] | Dagmar: | pogopope: You have nothing to stream if you don't have any recorded content |
| [19:48:11] | Dagmar: | So you have no problem. |
| [19:48:24] | Dagmar: | There are also other projects which are MUCH more appropriate for what you're trying to do. |
| [19:48:49] | pogopope: | Any suggestions? I've been researching this for weeks. |
| [19:48:57] | Dagmar: | Freshmeat.net |
| [19:49:09] | laga: | oh, looks like apiconfig is already used by default is you use the xmltv options module. yay. |
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| [19:49:56] | Dagmar: | There is also http://www.videolan.org/doc/ |
| [19:50:04] | Dagmar: | It helps if you search for more than just pictures sometimes. |
| [19:50:14] | laga: | kittens \o/ |
| [19:50:27] | Dagmar: | yay kittehs |
| [19:50:38] | pogopope: | assumptions. |
| [19:50:38] | stuarta: | this new separation of aspect ratio and zoom mode is a pain. |
| [19:50:43] | Dagmar: | Whines. |
| [19:50:46] | Dagmar: | ...and lies. |
| [19:50:47] | laga: | stuarta: i like it |
| [19:50:50] | laga: | and kittens! |
| [19:51:13] | stuarta: | laga: it sucks on my 4:3 monitor, but is good on the widescreen tv |
| [19:51:43] | laga: | maybe you can add some hardcode couples which are commonly used |
| [19:51:54] | stuarta: | primarily for 4:3 content broadcast in 16:9, so i need to both aspect and fill |
| [19:51:58] | Dagmar: | ...and then move on to adding threesom e support |
| [19:51:59] | laga: | i'm glad to have a correct DPI setting on the TV again. zoom modes looked weird |
| [19:52:14] | Dagmar: | oh, hardcode |
| [19:52:14] | laga: | Dagmar: i said "hardcore couples", not "hardcore couples" |
| [19:52:19] | laga: | err |
| [19:52:21] | laga: | fsck :/ |
| [19:52:34] | stuarta: | laga: they were hardcoded before. imho |
| [19:53:45] | AndyCap: | ... |
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| [19:54:09] | stuarta: | i think i've gone round the twist from all those damn perl modules |
| [19:54:15] | Dagmar: | lol |
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| [19:55:21] | laga: | yes, perl is the devil |
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| [19:55:36] | Dagmar: | No, python is the devil |
| [19:55:39] | stuarta: | i like perl, just hate making rpms from it's cpan modules |
| [19:55:42] | Dagmar: | Perl is just a little complex |
| [19:55:49] | Dagmar: | stuarta: Umm that part is easy |
| [19:55:57] | AndyCap: | that's what cpanspec / cpan2rpm is for |
| [19:56:02] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [19:56:04] | AndyCap: | easy as pie |
| [19:56:07] | stuarta: | that build under mock in a clean chroot |
| [19:56:24] | stuarta: | without using cpan2rpm to build every rpm |
| [19:56:27] | stuarta: | ? |
| [19:56:39] | AndyCap: | not so easy pie. :) |
| [19:56:48] | Dagmar: | They are *still * easy to build |
| [19:56:56] | Dagmar: | I packagize the bloody things for Slackware. |
| [19:56:58] | stuarta: | yes easy, but time consuming |
| [19:57:25] | stuarta: | build a, req b c d e f, b require g h i j, c -> k l m |
| [19:57:43] | stuarta: | loads of dependencies, often circular |
| [19:57:53] | Dagmar: | You could always leave those requirements out and then field emails from the clueless |
| [19:58:01] | Dagmar: | no, CPAN is free of circular dependencies |
| [19:58:03] | Dagmar: | Of that I'm sure |
| [19:58:03] | stuarta: | part of the blame lies on rpmbuild |
| [19:58:15] | stuarta: | oh no it's not |
| [19:58:26] | stuarta: | there's one i built today |
| [19:58:37] | AndyCap: | well, maybe cpan is, but rpm's depfinder may not know that |
| [19:58:47] | stuarta: | in the readme it says, we depend on x but we won't declare it cause it depends on us. |
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| [19:59:02] | AndyCap: | that doesn't fool rpmbuild |
| [19:59:08] | Dagmar: | That's co-dependency. ;) |
| [19:59:50] | stuarta: | i'm making life a bit more challenging because i want each rpm built under mock in a clean chroot |
| [20:00:08] | stuarta: | so i often have to frig spec files to add BuildRequires lines |
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| [20:00:25] | Dagmar: | You keep saying "clean" and I suspect that it means "without having the other dependencies in the chroot" |
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| [20:01:03] | stuarta: | it's cleaned every time and if the spec file correctly declares it's requirements the package will build |
| [20:01:06] | Dagmar: | Do like I do. Don't include dependency information, and the make sure each package has a list of all the packages. |
| [20:01:15] | Dagmar: | ANy emails that come from people who didn't install tehm all, you delete. |
| [20:01:37] | stuarta: | well, i'm installing them, i'm maintaining them |
| [20:01:53] | Dagmar: | ouch |
| [20:02:06] | stuarta: | part of why i want it this way is for automatic deployment of servers |
| [20:02:32] | stuarta: | I put the packages i need in the kickstart. and the dependency resolution pulls in the |
| [20:02:38] | stuarta: | other packages |
| [20:03:00] | stuarta: | new machine to fully installed server in 10 mins |
| [20:03:43] | stuarta: | pain to get the packages right, better in the long run |
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| [20:23:47] | dablitz: | would someone be able to help me. my problem I cannot find in the FAQ |
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| [20:25:14] | laga: | we don't know what your problem is |
| [20:25:23] | ** xris suggests two aspirin ** | |
| [20:25:25] | stuarta: | our crystal ball is broken |
| [20:25:59] | dablitz: | sorry was waiting for a responce. but would you know why there would be no OSD while running xvmc with latest svn |
| [20:26:04] | ygguh2: | I had a system crash yesterday and since then when I start mythbackend I receive Unknown MySQL server host 'l192.168.1.102' |
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| [20:26:19] | ygguh2: | I can't seam to find the 'l' in the IP address anywhere. |
| [20:26:35] | stuarta: | ygguh2: mysql.txt? |
| [20:26:49] | laga: | dablitz: trunk? |
| [20:27:07] | dablitz: | yes |
| [20:27:18] | ygguh2: | I've checked all of the mysql.txt files on the system. I don't see the 'l'. |
| [20:27:20] | laga: | have you looked in the logs? |
| [20:27:40] | dablitz: | i have but there is no errors that i can see |
| [20:28:05] | laga: | try mythfrontend -v playback,osd |
| [20:31:11] | dablitz: | there is nothing about the osd i can see laga |
| [20:31:27] | laga: | can pastebin the output? |
| [20:31:40] | dablitz: | yup |
| [20:31:42] | dablitz: | minute |
| [20:31:47] | ** laga adds a "you" ** | |
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| [20:38:40] | dablitz: | lada http://www.pastebin.ca/716463 |
| [20:39:46] | laga: | hum |
| [20:40:04] | laga: | have you tried a different OSD theme? does it work with a different video/osd renderer? |
| [20:40:16] | dablitz: | let me try |
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| [20:47:16] | overseer: | any hints for installing mythtv-common on a ubuntu system with no permissions (even for root) to create /home/mythtv (/home is an automount directory) |
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| [20:53:34] | laga: | fix your box? |
| [20:53:46] | laga: | mount tmpfs there? |
| [20:54:13] | laga: | no, even better. bind-mount another directory in /home/ or /home/mythtv/ |
| [20:55:14] | AndyCap: | overseer: edit the automount maps? |
| [20:56:31] | overseer: | interesting ideas. i'll see what works. |
| [20:57:23] | AndyCap: | since you can't create the mountpoint /home/mythtv you'll have to replace home if that's the dir you mount. if you mount /home/blah separately you could fudge automount maps. |
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| [20:59:23] | overseer: | /home is also where my homedir is automounted ;) |
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| [21:03:09] | overseer: | someone just informed me of an in-house build of it that doesn't require /home/mythtv... its still an interesting problem, though I've bypassed it for now |
| [21:04:37] | ** overseer thanks everyone & waves. ** | |
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| [21:13:22] | dablitz: | laga: if i use stand or libmpeg2 instead of xvmc i get OSD |
| [21:13:28] | dablitz: | using the same theme |
| [21:14:02] | dablitz: | using xvmc i get no osd |
| [21:14:04] | laga: | what happens if you try a different OSD renderer? |
| [21:14:56] | dablitz: | i am a bit a a noob here. in the set-up what do you mean. are we taling a different osd theme? |
| [21:16:10] | laga: | no, a different osd renderer. if you are using trunk, you can change that in the video playback profile editor |
| [21:16:29] | dablitz: | oh ok |
| [21:16:48] | laga: | why are you using trunk, btw? |
| [21:17:10] | dablitz: | that is in where the transcoder stuff in in setup/tv/playback profile |
| [21:17:24] | laga: | no |
| [21:17:34] | dablitz: | trunk is what is was instructed to use |
| [21:17:38] | laga: | in settings -> tv -> playback |
| [21:17:43] | laga: | ! |
| [21:17:47] | laga: | who told you to use trunk? |
| [21:17:57] | dablitz: | a friend of mine |
| [21:18:27] | laga: | then call your friend and ask him for support :/ you shouldn't use trunk unless you know what you are doing |
| [21:22:25] | laga: | stuff there is often broken or doesn't work as expected. especially the new video playback code still has some problems |
| [21:22:51] | laga: | so it'd be up to you to figure out if it's a configuration problem or a problem with the code and file a bug appropriately |
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| [21:44:02] | bsdfox__: | what;s the lirc code for page up and page down? |
| [21:44:08] | bsdfox__: | for mythtv that is.. |
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| [21:44:55] | GreyFoxx: | "PgDown" |
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| [22:00:30] | bsdfox__: | thanks |
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| [22:04:09] | CaptObviousman: | remarkably obscure code, that one |
| [22:05:15] | bsdfox__: | :P I tried pgdn and pagedown pagedn |
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| [22:27:09] | Sedorox: | has anyone done/is it possible to do a two screen setup? i.e. you have your TV displaying the output, but then you have a small touch screen display that is all the controls to myth? |
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| [22:28:45] | jedix: | Sedorox: could you do web controls fro the touch display? |
| [22:29:26] | bsdfox__: | Sedorox: sure you could do that |
| [22:29:41] | Sedorox: | not sure.. do the web controls actually control whats on the screen (FF, RW, etc..) |
| [22:29:49] | laga: | bsdfox__: how? |
| [22:30:15] | bsdfox__: | what do you mean how? |
| [22:30:27] | laga: | how would you do that? |
| [22:30:29] | Sedorox: | bsdfox__: I'll have to look into it, split-screen myth, kinda.. I have a elo-touch screen (altho it is a 15") but I was thinking about making a nice console that would have the controls, maybe games.. etc.. |
| [22:30:30] | bsdfox__: | you just configure the touchscreen as an X input device |
| [22:30:53] | bsdfox__: | I'm using twinview right now with myth on one monitor |
| [22:30:59] | bsdfox__: | I don't have a touchscreen though |
| [22:31:27] | Sedorox: | well I understand the two X inputs (tho I was thinking different boxes).. but basically one has the display, and other has visable controls |
| [22:31:32] | bsdfox__: | I'm sure X supports using it for an input device though.. then it should be as simple as mapping the touches to keystrokes |
| [22:31:33] | laga: | bsdfox__: two problems. a) limited mouse support in mythfrontend (being worked on.. slow progress AFAIK) b) how would you show the GUI on the touchscreen and the video on a different screen? |
| [22:31:57] | bsdfox__: | laga: easily? |
| [22:32:04] | bsdfox__: | why would it be a mouse device anyways |
| [22:32:05] | laga: | some video drivers can select a screen for the overlay, but that's not the best solution... |
| [22:32:28] | laga: | alright, and then you'd make gestures to trigger a specific key? |
| [22:32:32] | bsdfox__: | you could run different X servers if you want |
| [22:33:03] | bsdfox__: | don't need gestures.. it's all in the touch screen configuration |
| [22:33:27] | laga: | ah, right. how does the touch screen know which event to trigger? |
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| [22:33:52] | tank-man: | make a new program for the touch screen pc that controls the frontend thru telnet |
| [22:34:18] | bsdfox__: | this seems rather straight forward to me |
| [22:34:34] | bsdfox__: | of course it will require some work to get it setup but nothing is uncharted territory.. |
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| [22:34:55] | laga: | there are some patches for touchscreen support |
| [22:34:59] | laga: | anyways, i gotta run |
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| [22:35:03] | loops: | anyone here have experience tweaking pvr-500 recording settings to make sure a longish movie still fits on a dvd? |
| [22:35:20] | tank-man: | loops, simple math |
| [22:35:45] | tank-man: | you got the length of the movie and space on dvd, you can figure out the bitrate |
| [22:36:38] | loops: | tank-man, so you're saying the only thing that needs adjusting is the bitrate? |
| [22:36:43] | loops: | stream type doesn't matter? |
| [22:36:52] | loops: | width and height don't matter? |
| [22:37:11] | tank-man: | look at the wiki page for mytharchive, it gives you suggested settings |
| [22:38:46] | loops: | tank-man, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive ? |
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| [22:39:08] | tank-man: | does it tell you at that page? |
| [22:39:45] | loops: | not really.. mentions NTSC resolutions.. but don't see much else :o/ |
| [22:40:10] | tank-man: | what are you going to use to author it? |
| [22:40:33] | loops: | i just have a lil script that uses dvdauthor |
| [22:41:02] | tank-man: | i would think the docs for dvdauthor would tell you what video stream it needs |
| [22:41:14] | loops: | but, the default recording options for my pvr-500 saves movies that are too big often.. was hoping to avoid transcoding by configuring the pvr-500 properly |
| [22:41:38] | tank-man: | the only thing that affects the size is the bitrate |
| [22:41:43] | tank-man: | lower it than |
| [22:42:11] | loops: | tank-man, sure.. was just hoping to bump into someone who had gone down that path before and found best bitrate etc.. |
| [22:42:54] | bsdfox__: | it'll vary depending on image quality unfortunately |
| [22:43:52] | loops: | bsdfox__, yeah. looking for the sweet spot where a two and a half hour movie will just fit without losing too much quality |
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| [22:44:43] | Lunar_Lamp: | http://pastebin.ca/716541 <== strace of mythtv segfault. I'd appreciate if someone could give me some pointers. |
| [22:44:56] | tank-man: | bitrate, it is measured in kbit/sec, 8 bits in 1byte, and if you got the length of the movie, it is simple math |
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| [22:51:49] | cworth: | I've got a myhtfrontend setup that has refused for sometime to display any text in the main user-interface menus, (fortunately once I get down to the list of recordings everything is fine). |
| [22:52:28] | cworth: | Has anyone seen anything like this or have any useful hints on debugging the problem? I don't see much in the logs to make the problem obvious. |
| [22:53:11] | cworth: | I'm using packages for Debian. I think the problem started at some Debian package upgrade a while back, but has persisted through subsequent upgrades. |
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| [22:54:37] | loops: | that's an odd one.. does it change if you do LANG=C mythfrontend ? |
| [22:56:44] | loops: | cworth, you might want to also try mythfrontend --reset |
| [22:57:43] | cworth: | loops: Yeah, I found the --reset thing in the documentation and it didn't change anything. I'll got try the locale thing now. |
| [22:58:16] | cworth: | loops: And yes, it is strange. None of my three or four other machines that talk to this same backend have the problem, (a couple of which are also using Debian packages). |
| [22:58:26] | loops: | cworth, it may have to do with the theme you're using too.. if you can change that it'd be worth a try |
| [22:58:55] | loops: | cworth, does mythtv-setup text look okay? |
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| [22:59:49] | cworth: | I'd also tried moving ~/.mythtv away, but that didn't help. |
| [22:59:57] | cworth: | loops: No change with LANG=C. |
| [23:00:39] | cworth: | loops: mythtv-setup has the same symptom |
| [23:01:30] | cworth: | loops: Theme changing is one of those operations that's tricky to do with no menu text. ;-) |
| [23:01:44] | cworth: | loops: But I'll bring up a working instance in parallel to guide me through it. |
| [23:02:12] | loops: | cworth, lol yeah.. but i see someone else with your problem (found with google) that says switching to theme "blue" fixed it |
| [23:02:37] | cworth: | loops: Cool. I'll try that. |
| [23:02:52] | cworth: | (And I totally suck that I didn't find that in google first myself...) |
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| [23:03:14] | loops: | cworth, it's not really a fix though apparently "blue" uses images for menu items rather than text |
| [23:03:56] | loops: | cworth, http://tinyurl.com/2mytet |
| [23:03:56] | cworth: | loops: And I actually *did* attempt one theme change earlier, but the attempt crashed my X server. |
| [23:04:20] | loops: | see the "Update" near the bottom |
| [23:04:27] | cworth: | loops: No better luck with trying to change to blue either. X crashes and the G.A.N.T. theme is still there when it comes back. |
| [23:04:41] | loops: | hmmm |
| [23:06:17] | cworth: | Oh, never mind. The theme change did take effect this time. Cool. |
| [23:06:31] | loops: | did that help any? |
| [23:06:52] | cworth: | loops: Yeah, I should be all set now. Thanks for finding the workaround for me! |
| [23:07:22] | loops: | well it was just a guess. found the website afterward.. and happy to help a fellow git-ster |
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| [23:07:39] | cworth: | loops: hehe |
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| [23:07:46] | loops: | ;o) cheers |
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| [23:14:13] | Weezey: | When a recording starts and I'm watching another one the playback skips |
| [23:14:34] | Weezey: | watching either of them later when nothing's recording, no skips |
| [23:17:04] | PDM_clever: | how would i use svn to go backwards thru revisions? |
| [23:17:36] | Anduin: | PDM_clever: -r revision |
| [23:17:43] | PDM_clever: | ahh:) |
| [23:18:03] | PDM_clever: | my playback performance has realy died since my last svn upgrade |
| [23:18:21] | Weezey: | PDM: when was your last update? |
| [23:18:31] | PDM_clever: | a day or 2 ago |
| [23:18:37] | Weezey: | huh. |
| [23:18:39] | PDM_clever: | X now eats 50% of more cpu when playing |
| [23:18:51] | Weezey: | that's no good |
| [23:18:52] | PDM_clever: | mostly in system cpu usage |
| [23:19:08] | PDM_clever: | stracing shows its using gettimeofday ALOT |
| [23:19:19] | PDM_clever: | over 10k calls in a few sec i think |
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| [23:20:39] | PDM_clever: | im running 14526 atm |
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| [23:36:27] | clever: | i suspect my problem lies in Xv breaking somewhere |
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| [23:38:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: I dunno... I'm running 14517 with the nvidia binary driver and my cpus are approx 5% busy (Athlon 64 X2 4600+) — Nowhere near the 50% you're seeing... |
| [23:38:49] | clever: | yeah i could be something with my setup |
| [23:39:02] | clever: | mplayer runs thru XV with normal(low) cpu usage |
| [23:39:16] | clever: | (1.6ghz cpu) |
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| [23:39:23] | kdubya: | or it might not be using xv |
| [23:39:47] | clever: | why would it up and stop using xv all of a sudden though |
| [23:39:51] | clever: | and how would i check for that |
| [23:40:07] | kdubya: | I have no idea. |
| [23:40:20] | clever: | mythtv used to play back at about 50% total |
| [23:40:23] | kdubya: | why would xv suddenly start using more power? |
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| [23:40:29] | clever: | but now its 50% user 50% system |
| [23:40:31] | kdubya: | i dont see how that is more likely |
| [23:41:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Try doing 'mythfrontend -v all,nodatabase' from a shell, start watching something, then quit within a few secs and see what you get for output... |
| [23:41:30] | clever: | once this make install finishes i'll give it another test and get more details |
| [23:41:56] | clever: | with that -v config id still get the spam from the sound and dvd checking |
| [23:42:02] | Anduin: | clever: the frontend log will let you know which video out is being used, if you upgraded from a pre -vid merge you may have a different deinterlacer, other things as well |
| [23:42:19] | clever: | and mythtv has the same bug(as mythfrontend) |
| [23:42:34] | clever: | dont need the whole frontend |
| [23:42:54] | clever: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 3.9M Sep 26 03:00 1243_20070926030000.nuv |
| [23:42:56] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:/media/mainlv/mythtv$ mythtv 1243_20070926030000.nuv |
| [23:43:04] | clever: | (random but small nuv so i dont have to manualy stop it) |
| [23:43:41] | clever: | odd |
| [23:43:45] | clever: | no bug in this revision |
| [23:43:51] | clever: | jumped too far back:D |
| [23:44:18] | clever: | its somewhere between 14512 and 14525 |
| [23:44:31] | clever: | i'll check 520 next |
| [23:45:12] | Anduin: | clever: You are just doing svn up -r revision right? |
| [23:45:16] | clever: | yeah |
| [23:45:23] | clever: | then make;make install |
| [23:45:33] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~/mythtvbuild/mythtv$ svn update -r 14520 |
| [23:45:37] | clever: | mythtv@theP4:~/mythtvbuild/mythtv$ time make |
| [23:47:22] | clever: | brb phone |
| [23:48:05] | clever: | some random syrvey |
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| [23:53:06] | clever: | installing 14520 |
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| [23:55:17] | clever: | doesnt appear to have the bug |
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| [23:57:59] | GreyFoxx: | Bah, the DRM free mp3 download service from Amazon doesn't allow for Canadian addresses when adding your CC info |
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