Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, September 25th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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loops:

anyone know where the "save screenshot" feature actually dumps the image?

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Tommck:

home directory of the user running it? (I think)

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loops:

Tommck, doesn't seem so :o/

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GreyFoxx:

I musta missed that one in the -commits list :)

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Tommck:

GreyFoxx - ?

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floppyears:

how's the next version of mythtv coming along ?

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loops:

GreyFoxx, are you saying there's no screenshot feature?

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Tommck:

maybe it's an OS thing, but I've gotten some random screenshot PNG files in my home dir or somewhere without knowing why :)

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GreyFoxx:

loops: I'm saying I've never seen it built into myth. Historically it defiantely wasn't in there

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Tommck:

well.. I'm outta here. talk to everyone another day

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GreyFoxx:

but if someone added it I missed the -commit message

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** Tommck waves at the crowd **

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loops:

GreyFoxx, you might be right.. although mythweb "keybinding" feature has a slot for it

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** loops waves back **

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GreyFoxx:

Then someone could have added it and I just missed it

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GreyFoxx:

historically we've allways used other tools

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loops:

GreyFoxx, and it would sure be handy.. gnome screenshot just shows black for myth window

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loops:

GreyFoxx, do you have a suggested tool i could try?

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be happily suprised if the screenshot ability worked for video as well

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GreyFoxx:

loops. Normally we just launch mythfrontend with NO_XV enabled

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loops:

GreyFoxx, ahh smart.. i'll give that a go

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GreyFoxx:

then use something like the import tool from ImageMagick I think to take a shot

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GreyFoxx:

NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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loops:

excellent, thanks

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clever:

ive upgraded my mythtv

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clever:

and now X is using an oddly high ammount of cpu when im playing things in the frontend

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clever:

what might have changed recently to cause tha

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subzero800:

my mythtv front end can't find my backend @ localhost (that's how I need to have it set up) does anyone know why?

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subzero800:

sa

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clever:

only ip's in the frontend/backend setup

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clever:

try 127.0.0.1

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subzero800:

I did that also

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subzero800:

clever: I think that everything is up and running for the backend

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clever:

i had weird errors when i upgraded from 0.18 to trunk and i think i was on localhost

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clever:

not shure how/why but it was fixed when i switched everything to the lan ip(192.168.1.60)

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subzero800:

well, I just installed mythtv

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subzero800:

so I dont really know what im doing

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my2keh:

subzero800

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subzero800:

my2keh: yeah

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my2keh:

what's the IP of your backend?

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subzero800:

this machine

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subzero800:

so

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subzero800:

localhost

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subzero800:

127.0.0.1

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my2keh:

well it has to have an another IP

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my2keh:

every machine is 127.0.0.1

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my2keh:

type ifconfig

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subzero800:

k, well I'll use my lan ip

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my2keh:

from a terminal window

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my2keh:

something like inet addr:192.168.1.98

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my2keh:

well?

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subzero800:

i changed it in settings

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subzero800:

should i restart the backend/mysqlserver?

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my2keh:

restart the backend service

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subzero800:

No /usr/bin/mythbackend found running

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subzero800:

hmm

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subzero800:

my2keh: but if I stop, then start...it tells me that its starting, if i try to start now, it does tell me that there is one running?

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my2keh:

do a ps aux | grep mythbackend

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my2keh:

should get 2 results back

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subzero800:

andrew 10888 0.0 0.0 2884 756 pts/0 R+ 20:33 0:00 grep mythbackend

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my2keh:

ok so no backend is running

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my2keh:

do a /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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subzero800:

it says it's already running

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my2keh:

redo the ps aux line and paste results

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subzero800:

andrew 10983 0.0 0.0 2880 760 pts/0 S+ 20:35 0:00 grep mythbackend

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my2keh:

ok do tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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subzero800:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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subzero800:

ah ha!

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subzero800:

good job

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subzero800:

how do I set this up?

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my2keh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . kendServerIP

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bsdfox:

anyone got advice on configuring lircd with irrecord with a remote that either a) double's every command, or b) sends tons of commands w/ every key press (normally it will figure out the rate and then only one is recorded per press afterwards)

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my2keh:

isn't there a repeat setting in the lircrc?

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bsdfox:

yeah I messed with it a ton and didn't have any luck

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my2keh:

hmmm

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my2keh:

prison break tonight! score

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cal:

why do i not get audio using mms:// streams but http:// streams have audio.. (using streamtv) ?

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kdubya:

hey where is the option to get livetv out of the list of recordings?

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kdubya:

i must have cycled through like 90 menus

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my2keh:

hmmm one sec

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kdubya:

awesome

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my2keh:

i did that a while ago

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kdubya:

ah

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kdubya:

i found it

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kdubya:

i went to the recordings menu and hit every key

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

of course it was M

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kdubya:

the last one a person would try

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my2keh:

M?

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kdubya:

yeah

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my2keh:

to hide livetv recordings in the menu?

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kdubya:

it brings up a menu where you can select the filtering

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kdubya:

and i filtered out livetv

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my2keh:

ahhh

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my2keh:

well whatever works

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my2keh:

lol

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

thanks anyway

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my2keh:

no prob bob

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morphinex:

howdy folks

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morphinex:

so i am having this major problem with fonts on mythbuntu – they look crazy when displayed on the TV

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morphinex:

i have an nvidia gf4 mx 440, worked perfectly under FC6

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FatDave:

hey. anyone have a hauppage 500 card?

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Captain_Murdoch:

kdubya: there's a setting in the "Setup -> TV settings -> playback" that will control whether livetv programs show up under "All Programs" or under just the LiveTV view.

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my2keh:

doh!

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bofh_omega1:

hi @all

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venger:

i'm stoked because i'm getting irw output finally after 2 days

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bofh_omega1:

I've a little issue with mythtv. Mythfrontend is asking me at every startup for the language to use. I can't set it permanently at the preferences tab. Does anyone know a workaround

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bofh_omega1:

mythfrontend --override-setting may be a good place to start but how do I know what to override? LANG=de_DE didn't helt

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bofh_omega1:

-t +p

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bofh_omega1:

where is the default language setting stored in the mysql tables?

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venger:

i wonder if all WD 20 gigers were this loud bad in the day, this thing whines

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FatDave:

any ivtv gurus here?

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bofh_omega1:

ask

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FatDave:

well, i have the pvr-500. i have sound on one tuner and not the other

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FatDave:

i was wondering if maybe the other is muted?

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FatDave:

but I don't know how to tell

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bofh_omega1:

the pvr-500 gives you mpeg data output, so there is (at least to my knowledge) no option to mute the sound

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bofh_omega1:

only on one of the two tuners

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bofh_omega1:

ivtvctrl --audio-route=input=<in>,output=<out> this _may_ be an option but I'm not that kind of guru O.o

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Mersault:

I recently upgraded to svn trunk from 0.20.2, and while I'm largely happy (mythmusic finally doesn't crap out halfway through a scan!), I have a noticed that when changing the channel or starting live tv the video skips or jumps a few times very noticeably in the first few seconds. Any ideas where this might have come from?

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bofh_omega1:

Mersault: do you get the wrong colors during this short time?

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Mersault:

nope.

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Mersault:

hmm... lower channels (up to about channel 13) looks more grainy than previously as well.

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venger:

can anyone comment if compile lircrc into myth is worth it verus irxevent?

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Mersault:

and during livetv these skips continue throughout the program, but are not really noticeable unless I look for them

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Mersault:

ie, they are very very short

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bofh_omega1:

mythfrontend --override-setting Language=DE <<= this is the answer to my previous question

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bofh_omega1:

Mersault: have a look at /var/log/messages or similar for ACPI errors

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bofh_omega1:

...just digging in the blue

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Netslayer:

is there a way to find out if mythfrontend is using XVMC besides the obvious change in cpu usage?

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jedix_:

hey

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bofh_omega1:

erm next question is: how can I customice the calling of mythfrontend from mythwelcome? Without recompiling a custom version?

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jedix_:

Netslayer: the OSD is no longer in colour

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kdubya:

color*

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Netslayer:

jedix, good point :-) i must have missed a step ugg

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bofh_omega1:

Netslayer: just a thought. Start mythfrontend windowed and use xinfo or a similar programm

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jedix:

kdubya: not from this country

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

i know im just kidding

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jedix:

:)

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jedix:

when I use XVMC audio goes out of sync a lot

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jedix:

if I don't use it, the video goes choppy from time to time :/

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kdubya:

freaking card recorded heroes like crap

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Netslayer:

i have no choice i need XVMC for my appleTV to playback hd

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kdubya:

appletv can use xvmc?

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

does it use regular nvidia drivers?

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Netslayer:

it has a geforce 7300go

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kdubya:

i see

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Netslayer:

how can i figure out if my ubuntu packages for mythtv have been compiled with XVMC support?

[02:15:03]

kdubya:

i highly doubt they arnt

[02:15:37]

Netslayer:

i set it to Standard XVMC, running nvidia drivers but i still get a color osd

[02:16:06]

squish102:

is a load on an amd 64 3000+ of 5 ok? 4 mythcommflags running, hardly any wait%, most in nice%

[02:16:06]

kdubya:

do you have the drivers

[02:16:18]

Netslayer:

drivers?

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kdubya:

the one's from nvidia

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Netslayer:

yes i'm running 9755

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bofh_omega1:

squish102: if you like heat its perfektly ok.

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** squish102 cranks up the fans **

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venger:

where can I find a lircrc file for mythtv that matches up with the lircd.conf.hauppauge file provided in lircd source

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crichardson:

hi guys i got a question i am hoping some one can anwser for me is there any hd/qam cards out there that have dual tunners bult in?

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bofh_omega1:

rm venger why not use the one from lircd?

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bofh_omega1:

crichardson: PVR-500 isn't what you're looking for?

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squish102:

crichardson nfc,but what about hdhomerun?

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crichardson:

bofh_omega1, the pvr500 is anolog not hdtv i believe

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venger:

bofh_omega1, i didn't realize they provided that also, ill recheck

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bofh_omega1:

crichardson: you're right

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crichardson:

squish102, ahh yes i forgot about hdhomerun

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crichardson:

what is nfs?

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kdubya:

one of the divco's might be dual

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crichardson:

nfc

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squish102:

no flippen clue

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kdubya:

heh

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bofh_omega1:

is anyone here using mythwelcome? Or whats the better choice?

[02:20:54]

kdubya:

what is the point of mythwelcome

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crichardson:

haha

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kdubya:

ive never even seen the thing

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bofh_omega1:

kdubya: it tells me what the system is doing, espezially when it will automatically shut down

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crichardson:

thanks i will look at divco ones i will also check out the homeruns thanks guys

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bofh_omega1:

I have some issues with mythtv not going to sleep after recording and manual zapping. I don't have this issues if I use mythwelcome. BUT I don't want to select the language again and again after every startup so I came up with the mythfrontend line above. But now mythfrontend is called from mythwelcome and so I'm stuck again...

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clever:

mythtv's cpu usage durring playback has gone up since i upgraded

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clever:

i suspect its no longer using XV

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jedix:

damnit

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jedix:

audio is not synced

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clever:

X is using 50% or more cpu power now

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jedix:

clever: is your OSD coloured?

[02:30:56]

clever:

yeah there is color in my osd

[02:31:03]

clever:

but it had color before when it had no problems

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clever:

havent changed any of the themes/osd's

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jedix:

dunno bud

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jedix:

my video is playing too fast for the sound

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clever:

i also upgraded several system packages

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clever:

including the X server

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Ozymandias2:

is it possible to specify a command to run after a show is transcoded? Once i have transcoded certian shows, I am interested in moving them to a network share for more long-term storage, and freeing up the mythbox's drive

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Captain_Murdoch:

anyone here using Storage Groups and who has more than one Storage Group created?

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kdubya:

man

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tsukasa:

my init.d is broken i think

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kdubya:

id hate to be the guy that knows all these answers

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tsukasa:

for mythtv-backend

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clever:

lol

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Captain_Murdoch:

Ozymandias2: you want to create a User Job and set it up to run on the shows you transcode.

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Ozymandias2:

Captain_Murdoch i was under the impression that those ran beofre the transcode — one of the wikis i found used an example of turning the commercial list into a cutlist --

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Captain_Murdoch:

look at myth_archive_job.pl it was designed to do what you are wanting to do. Or, if you're running SVN trunk, look into Storage Groups which could use both directories.

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bofh_omega1:

c@

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Captain_Murdoch:

no, order is flagger or transcoder, then user jobs. the order of the flagger or transcoder is determined by the setting in the JobQueue settings page (ie, some people want to flag first then transcode, others want the opposite. the user jobs always run after the builtin jobs and the user jobs run in order themselves (1,2,3,4)

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Ozymandias2:

Captain_Murdoch you rock

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Ozymandias2:

thanks

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clever:

my best guess is the xv lib's arent compatible with the currently installed mythtv

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Captain_Murdoch:

I wrote myth_archive_job.pl exactly for that purpose back before I wrote Storage Groups. I had a few drives that I wanted to spread recordings over but Myth could only support 1.

[02:39:40]

clever:

so ive done a make clean in part of the tree to reset bits of it

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clever:

yay K is here

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clever:

he might know

[02:43:22]

clever:

video in mythfrontend is stuttering a bit

[02:43:29]

clever:

subtitles and OSD flicker

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clever:

mythtv and Xserver have recently been upgraded

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jedix:

kormoc: define recorded crappy

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FatDave:

anyone have any sound problems with ivtv 1.0.0 and the pvr-500? I have sound on 1 tuner, but not the other

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jedix:

kormoc: heroes

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jedix:

you said it recorded crappy

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kormoc:

jedix, I did?

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jedix:

I thought so

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jedix:

oh, it was kdubya

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jedix:

my bad

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kormoc:

kk, thought I was going insane :P

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clever:

doesnt fix my problem though

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jedix:

this doesn't mean you aren't

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kdubya:

heh

[02:51:41]

kdubya:

it was QAM

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kdubya:

random black/green squares on top of the picture

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kdubya:

when i tune that station in livetv it does the same thing

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kdubya:

signal must not be agreeing with my card

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jedix:

:/

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kash:

(No RecordFilePrefix defined for mythtv in the settings table.)

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kash:

what does that mean? (when running nuvexport)

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kormoc:

kash, it means there's no RecordFilePrefix defined for mythtv in the settings table

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kash:

thank you, rocket scientist

[03:14:27]

kash:

how do i fix it

[03:14:41]

kormoc:

run mythtv-setup?

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kash:

hm

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kash:

what do i do in it

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bsdfox:

configure mythtv

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kash:

i've already done that

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bsdfox:

go read the website for guidelines on basic configuration

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kash:

jesus christ

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bsdfox:

you forgot something

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kash:

i've got a working system

[03:18:17]

kash:

been like this for months

[03:18:22]

kash:

never tried nuvexport until now

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kormoc:

kash, that's the setting for where recordings are stored

[03:18:49]

kash:

i see.

[03:18:54]

kash:

maybe it's because i'm using trunk

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kormoc:

kash, for some reason it's not matching up, it might be using s different hostname or the like

[03:19:24]

kash:

i looked in the DB and there's nothing with that name

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kormoc:

are you using the correct nuvexport version for your myth version?

[03:20:33]

kash:

maybe

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Captain_Murdoch:

kash, if you are using trunk (with Storage Groups), then you need to upgrade nuvexport as well to trunk nuvexport and the perl bindings.

[03:26:17]

kash:

ok

[03:26:19]

kash:

thanks

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lotia:

how many simultaneous HD streams have people recorded to a single (non-raid) disk?

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kash:

i've done three

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kash:

SATA II disk

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lotia:

kash: and have you been watching anything simultaneously?

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kash:

nope

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Captain_Murdoch:

the issue isn't raw throughput, it's the head thrashing that goes on with multiple streams. when you're reading one stream and writing others, that head is swinging back and forth quite a bit. that's a main reason for something like Storage Groups in SVN trunk.

[03:36:31]

venger:

mythfrontend changes the Xorg resolution, takes some time to scale (only see a corner of the scale box) and then it doesn't scale correctly. After reloaded when X is already in the resolution that it wants, does it scale correctly. Is this expected?

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ruckerz:

i moved an avi to /var/lib/mythtv/videos but i still get no files found under watch videos?

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kash:

you need to import the video

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ruckerz:

ahh

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ruckerz:

under manage videos

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ShockValue:

yeah its me

[03:38:06]

ShockValue:

i want to give you some good frequencies

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ShockValue:

12. 162. 400.

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ruckerz:

what's INFO-Action menu?

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ShockValue:

400? I'll be there in 2 seconds.

[03:39:33]

ruckerz:

i gues what button is that on the keyboard

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ShockValue:

"I" you mean?

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ruckerz:

ahh

[03:40:21]

ruckerz:

not intuitive

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ruckerz:

hwow

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ruckerz:

right arrow under the video editor does nothing on my linux box

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lotia:

Captain_Murdoch: would having very verbose logging enabled affect performance?

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lotia:

i was chasing playback while heroes was recording and my machine was having a hard time keeping up.

[03:44:41]

ruckerz:

so if i want to have different frontends access the videos stored on the backend, i have to manually set the mount directories?

[03:45:03]

ShockValue:

"videos" or "recorded tv" ?

[03:45:32]

ShockValue:

recorded TV will stream. i think you need to mount for videos

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ruckerz:

ShockValue yah just videos

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Captain_Murdoch:

lotia: yes, it can

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ruckerz:

ShockValue how about the cover arts then?

[03:46:24]

ruckerz:

i guess that needs to also be premounted

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lotia:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks. i had forgetten the verbosity of my logging and will test again. my machine is of course going to be taxed now that the new season shows are coming up.

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lotia:

also do multi-core cpus have any performance advantage on myth compared. specially as far as I/O is concerned. or is it more of a disk performance bottleneck?

[03:48:15]

ruckerz:

will the configuration in Setup->* be saved on the mysql server?

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ruckerz:

such that each frontend will have the same info?

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bsdfox:

2007-09–24 20:58:45.592 RingBuf(myth://192.168.0.20:6543/1056_20070919210000.nuv): Waited 8.0 seconds for data to become available...

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bsdfox:

2007-09–24 20:58:46.218 MythSocket(1afcad0:25): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick).

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bsdfox:

anyone get that stuff followed by the backend being unresponsive for ~30 seconds afterwards

[04:00:04]

bsdfox:

and it always stops the video playback.. pretty annoying

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tsukasa_:

hey i need some help. my init.d for mythtv-backend isnt working, i even tried compiling from scratch

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lance_:

hi all... anyone using the s-video/line-in on an M179 card? I have video working, but sound is very low... gotta crank it up to hear anything.

[04:04:46]

lance_:

been using the tuner on the M179 for a while now... trying to access digital stations now.

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, uhh, why would recompiling help if your script isn't working?

[04:05:15]

tsukasa_:

kormoc: shrug

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tsukasa_:

anyways its not working

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, and do you have any particular reason for claiming the init script is failing? like say a log or the like?

[04:05:49]

tsukasa_:

well. i can restart it all i like and it always errors that its not started

[04:05:55]

tsukasa_:

and i can run it from terminal just fine

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tsukasa_:

which leads me to believe its not actually starting

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kormoc:

you'll need to give more info, like distro, where you got the init.d script, and perhaps running it in debug mode or running it's commands one by one in a terminal exactly the same and see what fails

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bsdfox:

tsukasa_: what's it do?

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tsukasa_:

ubuntu gutsy tribe 5, first from the ubuntu packages and right now a compiled version is installed

[04:07:34]

tsukasa_:

and i dont know how to run it in debug mode

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tsukasa_:

bsdfox: my init.d mythtv-backend wont start

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kormoc:

debug mode depends on the script and what ubuntu uses for running it

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bsdfox:

what's it say dude

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bsdfox:

try strace /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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bsdfox:

man, I hate ubuntu

[04:10:02]

kormoc:

sometimes just adding --verbose or -x to the #! line gives good info, sometimes not

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tsukasa_:

bsdfox: http://pastebin.com/m5958256c

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kormoc:

haha

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, line 41 in your pastebin

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tsukasa_:

uh sigh. when i recompiled i installed into /usr/local/bin

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kormoc:

so edit the script and point it to the right location?

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: yeah http://pastebin.com/m77951f17

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, you'll need to run strace in 'follow children' mode

[04:14:06]

tsukasa_:

how

[04:14:21]

tsukasa_:

nvm

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tsukasa_:

-f

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lance_:

adding -x to the #! line in the script should be good enough for a shell script

[04:16:25]

tsukasa_:

how do i dump all this

[04:16:30]

tsukasa_:

my shell wont retain all of it

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kormoc:

lance_, depends on if it uses bash or another shell, or if it uses runscript or another init.d script specific shell

[04:16:40]

tsukasa_:

> whatever.txt doesnt give the strace

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lance_:

> /tmp/log.txt

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tsukasa_:

yeah doesnt work

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defaultro:

you guys rock!!! SD $20/year

[04:17:15]

kormoc:

tsukasa_, -o file.txt

[04:17:40]

defaultro:

kormoc, how are you?

[04:17:50]

defaultro:

that looked like a hacker command ;P

[04:17:51]

kormoc:

doin' well, how have you been Mr. defaultro?

[04:17:56]

defaultro:

pretty good

[04:18:02]

bsdfox:

is it $20/year now?

[04:18:05]

defaultro:

yes

[04:18:05]

kormoc:

yup

[04:18:06]

bsdfox:

that was quick :P

[04:18:14]

kormoc:

and extended to 9 months for current subscribers

[04:18:25]

bsdfox:

I signed up at $15/3 mo and now they've upgraded me to 9

[04:18:26]

tsukasa_:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/m5299836f

[04:19:20]

kormoc:

tsukasa_, line #3595, you sure that there's a properly set mysql.txt file in the init.d's home directory?

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lance_:

any AverMedia M179 users here?

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** kormoc raises his hand **

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lance_:

kromoc, using the s-video or composite inputs with the line-in?

[04:20:43]

lance_:

kormoc, I mean...using the s-video or composite inputs with the line-in?

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: err.. what? where should the mysql.txt be

[04:20:48]

kormoc:

actually, I use the coax, I can't get the line-in to give good sound, it's always buzzy

[04:21:03]

kormoc:

tsukasa_, depends on what ubuntu has the home directory set to

[04:21:17]

lance_:

crap.. that's my problem.. coax is fine.. trying to make the digital stations from my cable box available to myth..

[04:21:44]

lance_:

sound is very very faint... gotta crank it up then it's fuzzy.. I can't find a mixer that sees the device though.

[04:21:49]

Yahooadam:

when did SD hit $20/yr ?

[04:21:51]

kormoc:

lance_, a rf-modulator is cheap enough, but it's sucky

[04:21:54]

tsukasa_:

kormoc: i did a find, i found three mysql.txt's

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kormoc:

Yahooadam, the site has dates on it's announcements

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lance_:

kormoc, there's gotta be a way

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kormoc:

lance_, I *think* ivtvctl or v4l2ctl can set the mixer?

[04:22:32]

kormoc:

tsukasa_, are they all correct?

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lance_:

kormoc, tried...can't find any options related to audio or mixersin eithe rone.

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Yahooadam:

kormoc – shh smartass :p

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kormoc:

lance_, sorry, could try different ivtv versions. It wasn't worth my time to be honest, so I went the easy route

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: ah gotcha

[04:24:48]

tsukasa_:

kormoc: which brings me to yet another problem

[04:24:58]

tsukasa_:

its running but mythtv says cannot connect ot master backend server

[04:25:06]

tsukasa_:

its pointed at 127.0.0.1 default port

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kormoc:

and netstat shows it's listening?

[04:25:28]

ruckerz:

what's the keyboard equivalent for the menu button under mythvideo?

[04:26:09]

tsukasa_:

kormoc: how do i find that out

[04:26:15]

tsukasa_:

just netstat and look for hte service?

[04:26:36]

kormoc:

netstat -l

[04:27:21]

kormoc:

should show: tcp 0 0 *:6543 *:* LISTEN

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: dont have that

[04:27:31]

kormoc:

or the like

[04:27:36]

kormoc:

then it's still not working correctly

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: i do have a *:57856 though

[04:29:32]

tsukasa_:

anyways how do i fix this

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kormoc:

depends on the problem

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Captain_Murdoch:

lance_ the audio on the M179 isn't adjustable. the card doesn't support volume control like some of the Hauppage cards do.

[04:29:49]

tsukasa_:

how do i find the problem

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kdubya:

my cards are all different volume levels too

[04:30:28]

kdubya:

man thats annoying

[04:31:24]

Captain_Murdoch:

MpegRecorder class in myth even prints a warning about this if it tries to set the volume and it can't.

[04:31:50]

tsukasa_:

kormoc: is there a log file i should look at or a location for a config file for backend

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lance_:

Captain_Murdoch: that sucks... so I'm out of luck?

[04:32:13]

kormoc:

tsukasa_, you can tell mythbackend to log to a file, I'd suggest you do that

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lance_:

kdubya: I'm not talking a small volume difference.. it's huge... If I can hear my line-in and I switch sources, I'll be deaf.

[04:32:48]

Captain_Murdoch:

lance_: does the cable box have a built-in volume control to control the audio out?

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lance_:

Captain_Murdoch: I don't think it's enough to mkae a difference... plus it'll still be a big difference when we watch the cable box w/o myth

[04:33:39]

lance_:

I'll try though..

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, mine is barely a whisper at max, at normal levels, it's just silent

[04:34:44]

kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, and screwing with the cablebox output (which does change it on the tv) doesn't change it on the card

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lance_:

Captain_Murdoch: cable box volume already maxxed out

[04:35:16]

Captain_Murdoch:

I've never used the composite/svideo inputs on my M179 cards, only the tuners (which are kinda fuzzy right now, going to recable soon to see if that's the issue)

[04:35:56]

tsukasa_:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/mb8fe007

[04:36:15]

lance_:

I just upgraded from FC4 and an old ivtv/myth to ubuntu 7.04 with the ivtv and myth that comes via apt... picture is much better except for some weird motion blur when panning or fast motion that I didn't see on the old system.

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, did you kill it or did it die?

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tsukasa_:

neither?

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tsukasa_:

i can try connecting to it

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Captain_Murdoch:

lance_: the guy who gave me the gpio specs on the M179 cards told me there was no way to control the volume on the M179 card. he said there wasn't a chip to do it. he said it sounded like the only way was to change some resistors. :(

[04:38:43]

Captain_Murdoch:

s/guy/guy at AverMedia/

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: well apparently it connects just fine if i run it manuall

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tsukasa_:

y

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lance_:

Captain_Murdoch: Thanks for the info...guess I shouldn't have been so cheap and should have gone with the PVR-150!

[04:40:43]

lance_:

maybe I can hook up an external amp between the cable box and the m179 :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

is the audio level OK going from the cable box to another device like your TV via the audio out jacks?

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kormoc:

lance_, a rf-modulator is what I use for non-cable box stuff, and that works fine, and was only $10 or so

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: any idea?

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, not without a log from the version that doesn't work

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: okay i got the log...

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lance_:

Captain_Murdoch: I don't use the audio out from the cable box for anything else

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tsukasa_:

it says unable to connect to mysql database access denied

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lance_:

maybe I'll try tomorrow

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: how does that make sense it works fine not launched from init.d

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Yahooadam:

maybe init.d loads it before mysql ?

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bsdfox:

tsukasa_: it doesn't

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Yahooadam:

maybe you need a delay

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lance_:

not sure ow the rf-modulator helps

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, cause it checks for ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and ~ is different between when you log in and when init runs it

[04:46:03]

lance_:

my audio from coax (via the tuner) is fine on the m179

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, like I said, you'll need to verify what the home directory is set to by init and use that path to setup the mysql.txt file

[04:46:44]

kormoc:

lance_, yeah, I only use the rf-modulator when I don't have a coax output from a device

[04:47:11]

lance_:

but how does that work? How do you sync the audio to the video? how do you tell myth to get the audio from source x ?

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: i copied and pasted my mysql.txt to the one in /etc/mythtv though

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kormoc:

laga, the coax is audio + video at the same time

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, so check the log and see where it's pulling it's settings from

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: it doesnt say

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lance_:

ok... signing off... thanks for the help.

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, increase the verbrosity

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: i increased verbosity to all, still nothing

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tsukasa_:

it didnt seem to make a difference actually

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tsukasa_:

-v all

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kormoc:

it should, you should see tons of info

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kormoc:

strace the init.d script then

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: the strace is 1.6MB

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tsukasa_:

no child processes?

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tsukasa_:

i mean i would paste it all but pastebin wont allow me

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kormoc:

well, you can dig though it looking for mysql.txt and see where it's attempting to open it

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clever[rev]:

grep

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clever[rev]:

or extra strace args

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clever[rev]:

strace -o trace=open,exec normalcmd...

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kormoc:

how to do said digging was left as an exercise to the readers...

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clever[rev]:

now all you see is what files it trys to open and what it trys to execute

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clever[rev]:

lol

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clever[rev]:

yeah you could leave him clueless and see if he learns

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: it trys looking in a few places and finds one in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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tsukasa_:

which is fine

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tsukasa_:

then it does a

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tsukasa_:

18779 open("./mysql.txt", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

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tsukasa_:

after a read and a close

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kormoc:

pastebin all the section around it

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/m19663a0b

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tsukasa_:

line 12 is where it starts

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clever[rev]:

my mythtv is performing worse then normal(X is eating way too much cpu)

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kormoc:

tsukasa_, looks fine, how bout another chunk after that?

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clever[rev]:

35% of my cpu is going towards X atm just to watch a recording

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clever[rev]:

and it wasnt normaly that high

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/m162647a1

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tsukasa_:

oh here

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tsukasa_:

let me paste it with the recursive 1mb error

[05:03:00]

tsukasa_:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/m3561ee79

[05:03:04]

tsukasa_:

it goes on like that

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kormoc:

that shows it is running queries

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kormoc:

you sure you have a permission deined in there?

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: http://pastebin.com/m42b59ff7

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tsukasa_:

thats the output of /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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kormoc:

and as user mythtv, running the backend works fine?

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: like i said, the mysql.txt files are identical

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tsukasa_:

in fact i just tested logging in as the mythtv user

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tsukasa_:

worked fine

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kormoc:

something isn't adding up here

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tsukasa_:

so...

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tsukasa_:

kormoc: ?

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ShockValue:

hrm, the gentoo package of myth doesnt include the sample lircrc

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Ozymandias2:

ho do i watch a show that i've recorded? it shows in mythweb, and in manage recordings -> previuosly recorded, but not under media library -> watch recordings

[05:26:20]

ShockValue:

hrm thats wierd.. thats where it should be

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Ozymandias2:

only the live tv is there

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ShockValue:

maybe you have some kind of group filter on?

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ShockValue:

oh yeah, sounds like you've filtered it to live shows, you need to set it to all progs

[05:26:58]

Ozymandias2:

how do I do that?

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ShockValue:

i dont recall the key, ummm, sec

[05:27:12]

Ozymandias2:

Laughs Out Loud

[05:27:15]

Ozymandias2:

"menu"

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Ozymandias2:

thanks

[05:27:51]

Ozymandias2:

still new to myth

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ShockValue:

heh, i set it to all-shows about 2 years ago, and havent touched it since >:)

[05:28:13]

Ozymandias2:

i'll set it to "deliberatly recorded" one of these days

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Ozymandias2:

time to go check the grill — wanted to start a transcode, thanks

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Ozymandias2:

:-( my transcode didnt save any space

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Ozymandias2:

need to figure this out after supper, but 1024 for 15 minutes is a bit high, imo

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clever[rev]:

xris: something that might be usefull is a summary of space usage for 'deleted' files at the bottom of mythweb's recordings page

[05:56:39]

Ozymandias2:

hmm

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clever[rev]:

xris: ive mostly been using the free space to tell how many recordings i can fit before things start to expire but the semi deleted stuff is somewhat masking my free space

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xris:

semi-deleted?

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Ozymandias2:

anyone know/have a good guide to getting transcoding setup correctly?

[05:58:32]

clever[rev]:

there is a new feature of undelete

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clever[rev]:

when you 'delete' a file it goes into the recgroup deleted and is set to auto expire

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xris:

clever[rev]: ah, not something I knew about. too much time getting SD working

[05:58:57]

clever[rev]:

and the deleted things will expire before normal ones

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xris:

interesting

[05:59:24]

xris:

mythweb definitely doesn't do that

[05:59:26]

clever[rev]:

xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14483

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clever[rev]:

mythweb has been partialy patched for that

[06:00:05]

clever[rev]:

it has buttons to 'delete forever' and 'undelete'

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xris:

ah, so I see

[06:00:21]

clever[rev]:

but it isnt showing a total of how much is used by that

[06:00:31]

xris:

not enough time playing in my own program lately

[06:00:34]

clever[rev]:

i just threw together a php script which scrapes the info atm

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clever[rev]:

but its cli

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xris:

the disk totals there come from the backend, so unless there's a way to query for the deleted stuff, there's not much I can do for now

[06:01:00]

clever[rev]:

basicaly it just counts the space used by expirable progs,delete progs,actual free space

[06:01:21]

clever[rev]:

$ret=mysql_query("select sum(filesize)/1024/1024/1024 from recorded where recgroup='Deleted';") or die(mysql_error());

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clever[rev]:

that gets the number of gig going towards deleted things

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clever[rev]:

should be easy to include its result beside the total at the bottom

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xris:

I want a count of the stuff that will autoexpire, too

[06:02:34]

xris:

since that's the "real" number for available space

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clever[rev]:

$ret=mysql_query("select sum(filesize)/1024/1024/1024 from recorded where autoexpire =1 and recgroup != 'Deleted';") or die(mysql_error());

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kormoc:

I'll do that really quick

[06:02:53]

clever[rev]:

thats anything that can expire(that isnt deleted)

[06:03:01]

xris:

didn't even know that filesize was there yet.

[06:03:13]

kormoc:

yeah, been so for awhile thankfully

[06:03:19]

clever[rev]:

i add those 2 up along with the real free disk space(from a hard coded path)

[06:03:29]

clever[rev]:

subtract how much mythbackend trys to keep free

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clever[rev]:

then devide by gig/hour and echo a count of 'hours free'

[06:03:55]

clever[rev]:

end result is '4hours can be recorded

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clever[rev]:

'

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clever[rev]:

but just a space total would be usefull and alot easyer

[06:05:15]

clever[rev]:

./videos/ubuntu-7.04-server-sparc.iso: 13659 extents found, perfection would be 4 extents

[06:05:19]

clever[rev]:

OUCH thats fragmented

[06:05:33]

xris:

ok, see, now I want to get this pseudo-delete going in mythweb...

[06:05:48]

clever[rev]:

also the translations for that undelete are missing

[06:06:26]

xris:

yeah, just about to fix that

[06:09:32]

xris:

kormoc: if you're doing that disk size thing, check out #3788

[06:11:47]

kormoc:

the ajax will need work to get it to poke the right values

[06:12:31]

clever[rev]:

i havent used ajax much

[06:12:47]

clever[rev]:

most powerfull feature of it that ive seen is spyjax

[06:13:04]

clever[rev]:

(javascript to steal your browser history)

[06:14:01]

clever[rev]:

basicaly it uses js to make a hidden link to www.test.com

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clever[rev]:

then checks the link color to see if its the visted or unvisited color

[06:14:22]

clever[rev]:

then replies to the server thru ajax

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clever[rev]:

test 10000 url's and youll get a rought idea of what the viewer watches

[06:14:41]

xris:

kormoc: I'd say to just leave the "deleted" stuff out of the total

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kormoc:

xris, actually, those numbers come from the backend, shouldn't we just wait till the backend splits that stuff up?

[06:20:16]

xris:

dunno if it will

[06:20:28]

xris:

if it's in the db, it should be safe enough for us to query.

[06:20:35]

clever[rev]:

you can easily bypass the backend and get the info from the db until later

[06:20:42]

xris:

and can make it easier to show how much space "the current page of recordings" takes up

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

might want to wait on that then

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kormoc:

as I dislike mixing sql queries with the backend query

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clever[rev]:

dig into the backend then and put the querys over there:)

[06:23:29]

kormoc:

well, that entire section was never really updated to support storage groups as well

[06:24:03]

clever[rev]:

yeah that complicates things alot

[06:24:27]

clever[rev]:

i just hard coded the path to get real free space from into the php script i threw together

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clever[rev]:

which works since im only using 1 sg atm

[06:25:45]

clever[rev]:

i also had troubles with 2 sg's

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clever[rev]:

it kept recording to the one with 200mb free

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clever[rev]:

even though the other had 4+ gig free

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clever[rev]:

causing it to crash multiple times

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xris:

hmm, looks like the frontend doesn't reload settings very often. delete just deleted.

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ferrari:

How easy is it to port mythTV to an embedded linux, for instance Snapgear? What sort of things do I need to know before the porting?

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kormoc:

it takes a bit of cpu, memory, and disk space to work right

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ferrari:

if all those mentioned are not an issue

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ferrari:

thinking of Intel IXP 600 MHz, 1GB DDR-II, SATA HDD

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kormoc:

if you have X, qt, and mysql working correctly, not overly hard

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ferrari:

what about software / Linux parts

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ferrari:

what is X and qt?

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kormoc:

ferrari, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System

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ferrari:

what about demodulator or DVB-S/T/H driver?

[07:40:09]

ferrari:

OK. X-Windows

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ferrari:

have to look into that how embedded linux supports it

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juski:

ferrari: devices are generally supported in the kernel. It's certainly possible to run mythtv in a framebuffer and with embedded qt but neither of those paths is easy or well supported

[07:58:18]

ferrari:

I see. So, it will require a lot of efforts there

[08:00:26]

juski:

make mythtv work with embedded mysql & you'll win a lot of praise :P

[08:00:38]

ferrari:

ha ha

[08:00:52]

ferrari:

that's what my boss wants me to do

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ferrari:

:((

[08:01:07]

juski:

the big scheduler query is the big blocker there though – and that won't be too simple

[08:01:33]

ferrari:

How about LinuxMCE or iMedia?

[08:01:45]

xris:

linuxmce is just mythtv with a few other things

[08:01:53]

ferrari:

I read both work on VIA embedded STB mini-ITX box

[08:02:00]

xris:

kormoc has actually been pondering working on embedded mysql

[08:02:19]

ferrari:

really

[08:02:29]

ferrari:

how is it going so far, kormoc?

[08:02:59]

kormoc:

mainly just been getting a feel for QT, as I'm not a c++ programmer, so it's a strange land from my lovely C

[08:03:06]

xris:

anyway, time for me to crash.. 'night, all.

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ferrari:

take care, xris

[08:03:34]

ferrari:

I see

[08:03:46]

juski:

think it might be time for me to move everything from /media to /myth

[08:04:07]

juski:

\/media is where my linux desktop wants to automount flash drives & stuff

[08:04:23]

kormoc:

ferrari, why so light of a box?

[08:04:40]

ferrari:

Your suggestions?

[08:05:00]

kormoc:

for SD tv, a 2 ghz celeron works quite nicely

[08:05:12]

ferrari:

hmm...

[08:05:26]

ferrari:

I haven't got the Intel embedded platform

[08:05:39]

ferrari:

it is supposed to come in today

[08:05:52]

ferrari:

might not have the luxury of 2ghz

[08:06:19]

juski:

I have a STB style PC box, the T-online S100 with has a 733 Mhz Celeron. It only has 128MB RAM but it runs mythfrontend quite happily with the right theme

[08:06:19]

kormoc:

2ghz was the magic number I found for com flagging, recording, and playback without skipping or the like

[08:06:38]

juski:

it plays mpeg2 standard def. TV just fine

[08:06:57]

juski:

but 128MB RAM is a bit too low for mysql

[08:07:26]

kormoc:

I did 128 for awhile, but I had to tune mysql quite a lot, and was very limited on theme selection

[08:07:50]

kormoc:

ferrari, is this gonna be a backend or a frontend or both?

[08:07:51]

juski:

my 'next' theme will be very memory efficient :)

[08:07:56]

kormoc:

:)

[08:08:08]

ferrari:

both

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kormoc:

what are you planning to use to capture the video?

[08:08:48]

ferrari:

dvb-t/s/h but mainly dvb-t

[08:08:54]

kormoc:

I'm not familar with the IXP platform

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ferrari:

it's intel embedded

[08:09:03]

kormoc:

so I take it that it has pci slots?

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ferrari:

mainly for networking

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ferrari:

yes, both pci and minipci

[08:09:40]

ferrari:

it's mainly for residential gateway

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ferrari:

output will be upto 720p @ 60Hz

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kormoc:

what video device?

[08:10:25]

ferrari:

or 1080p @30Hz max

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kormoc:

I really really doubt you'd get that

[08:10:39]

ferrari:

ATI

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juski:

oh dear. search google for "t-online s100" and my page comes up as #1

[08:10:46]

kormoc:

typically for HD, 3ghz+ is recommended

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ferrari:

that's the plan and my boss has requested me to investigate

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kormoc:

ATI and myth/linux doesn't really get along very well

[08:11:09]

ferrari:

3GHz of CPU?

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kormoc:

aye

[08:11:18]

ferrari:

really? which would you recommend

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kormoc:

http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.as . . . tionID=26907

[08:12:55]

ferrari:

oh no

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kormoc:

I use a nVidia 5200, and a core2duo 1.86ghz , and I can do hd mostly fine

[08:13:07]

ferrari:

the intel platform has an ATI onboard

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ferrari:

sigh

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kormoc:

you can get it working, but it uses more cpu then an nvidia solution I believe

[08:13:50]

kormoc:

it's just officially it's not supported

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kormoc:

Don't get me wrong, I think you should give it a go, as it might work fine, but I think there would be quite a lot of work involved

[08:16:11]

ferrari:

I have a very tight schedule

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ferrari:

don't think the boss will buy it

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juski:

update settings set data=replace(data,'/media/','/myth/');

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juski:

oops

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ferrari:

since it is not a standard linux distro, i have to find out what embedded linux supports

[08:19:27]

ferrari:

hmm... it doesn't look good

[08:20:09]

ferrari:

probably it would be better to get LinuxMCE or iMedia work on VIA embedded STB instead of Intel and unknown linux distro

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kormoc:

linuxmce uses mythtv

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juski:

you should look at minimyth. its build system can be easily adapted

[08:20:31]

kormoc:

as well as other stuff, it's really bloated and cpu hungry

[08:20:41]

ferrari:

minimyth? never heard of that

[08:20:43]

juski:

and it can build mysql, all the qt libs and mythbackend & all the utils

[08:20:49]

juski:

www.linpvr.org

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juski:

by default i'll build everything but it'll only build a bootable image/filesystem with things for a frontend. it's quite easy to change what gets installed though

[08:21:38]

juski:

it'd be a lot quicker than making your own distro from scratch anyway

[08:21:53]

juski:

s/i'll/it'll

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ferrari:

interesting. thanks for the link, juski

[08:22:50]

juski:

well well well – looks like I've just moved my media without too much problem

[08:23:33]

juski:

ah I think I'll have to update all my music database too

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ferrari:

kormoc, what you are saying is that mythTV itself requires a lot of "horsepower" to drive it

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ferrari:

not to mention the video output to support HD

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juski:

ferrari: HDTV needs a fair bit of grunt

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kormoc:

ferrari, out of the box, aye. You can tune it down quite a bit, minimyth is a great thing showing that, but it does take work

[08:28:08]

kormoc:

and yeah, hdtv is ungawdly heavy

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juski:

if you could find a board with a HD decoder in hardware, and make mythtv work with that.. :P

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ferrari:

sigma designs

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ferrari:

8634 series

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ferrari:

it supports HDMI 1.1 interface

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juski:

basically what your boss is looking for isn't going to be easy

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juski:

but you're a professional, right? ;)

[08:30:21]

juski:

uh? can't cd to myth ? wtf?!

[08:31:21]

ferrari:

ha ha, once I have fullfilled my boss's dream, then YES. I would be a professional

[08:31:30]

kormoc:

Intern?

[08:31:45]

ferrari:

Nope

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** kormoc blinks **

[08:32:06]

ferrari:

8 years in vxWorks and 2 years in linux

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ferrari:

mainly in networking related stuff

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ferrari:

haven't touched multi-media designs

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tsukasa:

question guys... my mythtv flickers when watching livetv on most channels

[08:33:30]

tsukasa:

is that a codec problem or what

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juski:

mount: 192.168.1.10:/myth/movies failed, reason given by server: No such file or directory – but it _exists_ and is exported

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ferrari:

would be a professional in mythTV on embedded platform

[08:37:26]

ferrari:

;p

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kormoc:

heh, gotcha

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juski:

hahaha I didn't want to be moving /media to /myth, just change the mount point. DUH!

[08:41:32]

juski:

thankyou linux from stopping me doing a very stupid thing!

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juski:

sitting here thinking WTF?! Why isn't it letting me rename /media ?

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tsukasa:

whats us-cable-hrc and irc

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juski:

IRC == internet relay chat. you're on it right now

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juski:

us-cable-hrc is a frequency table

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kormoc:

us-cable-hrc is just a frequency table

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juski:

used by mythtv to tune into cable channels

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tsukasa:

i meant us-cable-irc too

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tsukasa:

i know but what do they stand for

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tsukasa:

or do i guess

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tsukasa:

and pick one

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kormoc:

define different frequency tables for what channel x is

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kormoc:

typically you should use just us-cable if you don't know better

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juski:

from google.. http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/cablech.html

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juski:

HRC == harmonically related channels

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juski:

IRC == incrementally related channels

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juski:

basically the difference between them is the relationship between each frequency

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juski:

I never knew that before

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tsukasa:

yeah some of the channels still arent tuning correctly

[08:51:04]

tsukasa:

like, regardless of what i pick

[08:51:10]

tsukasa:

oh do i have to rescan the channels each time?

[08:51:15]

tsukasa:

i change it

[08:51:19]

kormoc:

are you in the us?

[08:51:22]

tsukasa:

yes

[08:51:30]

kormoc:

what are you using for your schedule data?

[08:51:35]

tsukasa:

nothing currently

[08:51:53]

kormoc:

well, typically you don't scan, your schedule data defines your channels

[08:52:00]

ferrari:

US? And you are still up?

[08:52:06]

tsukasa:

yep

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kormoc:

ferrari, I'm still up and I'm in the us

[08:52:13]

kormoc:

it's only 2 am

[08:52:16]

ferrari:

WOW

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tsukasa:

4 am here

[08:52:18]

ferrari:

which part

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ferrari:

EST?

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kormoc:

ferrari, Seattle, WA, PDT(PST)

[08:52:46]

tsukasa:

emo city

[08:53:03]

ferrari:

Seattle just past midnight, right

[08:53:06]

juski:

oh shit. I just tested my new media share dir on the frontend remotely, and i think the amp might've been left on. doggie is gonna go mad

[08:53:08]

kormoc:

ferrari, 2 am

[08:53:10]

ferrari:

but 4AM, wow

[08:53:26]

tsukasa:

i had 4 tests today

[08:53:30]

tsukasa:

i felt like doing nothing

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tsukasa:

so i am doing nothing

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ferrari:

ha ha

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ferrari:

where is emo city?

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kormoc:

A bunch of people think Seattle is all emo

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tsukasa:

it is

[08:54:39]

tsukasa:

ive been there

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kormoc:

DC is worse

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** kormoc shrugs **

[08:55:42]

juski:

Emo is everywhere. I happen to think emo girls can be cute sometimes, if a little unsmiling

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tsukasa:

hey do the schedules fine tune the frequencies?

[08:56:15]

kormoc:

no, but if your using a normal cable setup, us-cable should be correct

[08:56:43]

kormoc:

juski, I think emo gals smiling are one of the cutest things, but that might be from the challenge...

[08:57:02]

juski:

heh

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tsukasa:

kormoc: you would think but its not

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tsukasa:

some channels are okay other flicker a lot

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kormoc:

flickering isn't always tuning failures

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directhex|work:

i'm still not 100% on the difference between emo & goth, but i'm a miserable old fart who doesn't "get" kids today

[08:57:41]

tsukasa:

what else is there

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kormoc:

signal strength can do that

[08:57:58]

juski:

well, that's all my media moved. easier than working out how to change ubunuts to mount removable drives somewhere other than /media

[08:58:14]

tsukasa:

its not signal strength, under windows its fine

[08:58:22]

kormoc:

directhex|work, emo is emotional crybaby stuff , goth is dark middle age vampireism stuff :P

[08:58:28]

kormoc:

tsukasa, so then it could be driver related

[08:58:31]

juski:

bingo

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directhex|work:

kormoc, i meant in terms of cute chicks!

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tsukasa:

mmm i have a hauppage wintv 500

[08:58:55]

juski:

goth firls tend to wear longer skirts

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tsukasa:

or something along those lines

[08:59:03]

juski:

firls/girls

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directhex|work:

ah, juski gives valuable insight

[08:59:18]

juski:

please refrain from the 'wintv' name :)

[08:59:34]

** directhex|work hands juski a winmodem **

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ferrari:

i thought "emo city" was actually a place or city

[08:59:58]

ferrari:

silly me ;p

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juski:

emo city is where eveyrbody in the matrix lives

[09:00:30]

juski:

well, everybody who goes by the name of Neo on IRC

[09:00:41]

ferrari:

haven't been to Seattle, heard it's a very nice city

[09:01:48]

kormoc:

I love Seattle

[09:02:21]

kormoc:

directhex|work, http://www.emo-corner.com/gallery/albums/user . . . -girl-18.jpg

[09:02:22]

kormoc:

vs

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kormoc:

http://is0.okcupid.com/graphics/cwb/girls/cat . . . gothgirl.jpg

[09:02:48]

ferrari:

Wow

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juski:

emo is more 'street' than goth ;)

[09:05:09]

Hoxzer:

:( emonemo

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juski:

that's an emo statement in itself :P

[09:07:08]

kormoc:

I prefer a mix of the two... Mmm... Amy Lee...

[09:10:25]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but she's annoyingly french

[09:10:53]

kormoc:

Heh, I'd manage somehow

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juski:

nice to finally find out wth the 'extra ui widgets' thread was about. not stuff on the menus after all. if only they'd frickin said that in the 1st place

[09:33:30]

directhex|work:

kormoc, not sure i'd argue about either of those tbh

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Hoxzer:

Intersting are there any other ways to work around "Select default mythv backend server" problem than to downgrade main.cpp. "0000" pin-code doesn't make it dissapear

[09:54:36]

laga:

kormoc: tarja turunen?

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laga:

although she's really not emo

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ferrari:

bye, guys.

[09:59:14]

ferrari:

time for me to go to sleep

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ferrari:

;)

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laga:

g'night ferrari

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[10:03:09]

willcooke:

Have any UK people recorded "How London Was Built" – the new Adam Hart-Davis thing on UK History?

[10:03:22]

juski:

not me

[10:03:35]

juski:

but I will do when it's repeated in 5 minutes

[10:04:54]

rooaus:

Hoxzer: See http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14507

[10:04:54]

** Merlin83b stabs the Aerial on our building. **

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Merlin83b:

It's poor, and bad weather makes for no recordings :<

[10:05:34]

willcooke:

juski, it seems to be ITV London only – so anyone with sat should be able to find it – unless they show ITV London on cable?

[10:05:45]

Hoxzer:

rooaus: do you know if that works with multirec branch ?

[10:06:14]

** willcooke thinks of another reason he should buy a dvb-s card **

[10:06:21]

Hoxzer:

what ever I try it out thx

[10:06:45]

juski:

willcooke: uk history isn't regionalised

[10:07:24]

rooaus:

not off the top of my head, if you click the unified link at the bottom it will give you a patch, try applying that.

[10:07:27]

Hoxzer:

:( Recording going on I have to do it later

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willcooke:

juski, ahh yes, it was originally shown on ITV London, and is now repeated on UK History. Have you got that channel then?

[10:08:12]

juski:

yeah it's on freeview

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willcooke:

oh crap – of course it is. Then where the hell is it in my listings??????

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** willcooke rescans **

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rooaus:

Hoxzer: Looking at the changeset it should be pretty easy to port. Are you starting the fe and be at approximately the same time?

[10:10:36]

willcooke:

juski, Grrr. "The History Channel", not UK History. :(

[10:12:52]

Hoxzer:

rooaus: yes

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juski:

hmm to make a custom record rule in mythweb whatdo you put in 'search phrase' – just a string of text & it sorts it all out or not?

[10:14:26]

rooaus:

Hoxzer: Try starting the frontend a few seconds later, something like "sleep 2 && mythfrontend", gives the backend some time to become discoverable.

[10:14:42]

Hoxzer:

ok

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rooaus:

juski: Never tried it myself, but I thought it was a regex.

[10:17:34]

juski:

regex in a ducking simple text box?

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juski:

like human beings know regex like the back of their hand

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laga:

i spose a normal string would be fine

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juski:

I could test it out I suppose

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juski:

huh? custom record rules don't show in recording schedules. ouch!

[10:20:09]

rooaus:

I haven't tried it out yet so don't know for sure.

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juski:

sod it. just opened an nx session & set up a new rule

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slaine_:

juski, Did you go for that mac mini in the end ?

[10:39:07]

juski:

nope

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juski:

still skint

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slaine_:

Yeah, same here

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directhex|work:

wish i could get my hands on a ps3, for testing purposes

[10:40:33]

juski:

problem runnig mythtv on osx is – only 6 remote buttons. in linux, can't find out how well the tvout works. ntsc is known to work (by one forum post) but not pal

[10:40:52]

juski:

I can get round the 6 button problem by getting an ir keyboard though

[10:41:02]

ali1234:

doesn't the mac mini have a radeon in it?

[10:41:07]

juski:

nope

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juski:

intel now

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laga:

intel

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ali1234:

oh :/

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juski:

like it'd be worth having with a radeon anyway

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laga:

it's not like radeons would be better

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ali1234:

radeons are known to support PAL rgb out on the vga port

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juski:

muh muh muh

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ali1234:

dunno if the intel can do it

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juski:

radeons are known to have completely SHITE support in linux

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ali1234:

true. that's why i have an nvidia

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laga:

my radeon 9250 works fine :)

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juski:

yeah but how much cpu does playback take? ;)

[10:43:24]

laga:

on my radeon?

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juski:

yeah

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ali1234:

yeah, here using XvMC, the picture looks way better, as well as using less CPU

[10:43:37]

laga:

let's see

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juski:

xvmc sucks arse

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juski:

I know that cos my epia relies on it to play sdtv

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juski:

ducking absolute piece of crap!

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ali1234:

perhaps compared to a hardware decoder. but it is way way better than software

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juski:

there's NO substitute for cpu grunt

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juski:

the disadvantages (mono osd etc) are too many

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laga:

juski: about 16% on my core 2 duo E6300.

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laga:

using xv-blit and kernldeint /since bobdeint won't work on the interlaced display for some reason)

[10:45:57]

ali1234:

who cares what the epg looks like, really?

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directhex|work:

epg users?

[10:46:26]

ali1234:

i would take a mono epg and good picture quality over super epg and terrible picture quality

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laga:

xvmc was the only way i could get really smooth playback then *shrug*

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directhex|work:

oh, if any of yeserday's satellite experts are still around, i'd like to check a couple of details

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juski:

is anybody ever gonna document all the filters you can use for playback?

[10:47:32]

ali1234:

they are documented

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ali1234:

i forget where i read it though

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directhex|work:

UTSL!

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laga:

ali1234: mythtv-vid is a bit poorly documented

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twodogs34:

new mythtv installation doesn't remember current channel. i read documentation and searched google but can't find anything on this.

[10:48:22]

juski:

ah http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_playback_filters exists now

[10:48:35]

ali1234:

in my set up, every single one of those filters makes the picture look worse, in fact, any kind of messing with the signal at all is bad

[10:48:56]

** rooaus reads wiki page juski posted **

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laga:

i think that's an excerpt from the official documentation

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rooaus:

and predates the -vid merge

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laga:

i wonder how well the opengl video renderers are gonna work on my radeon. :/

[10:56:04]

juski:

twodogs34: try constructing a proper question & somebody might be able to answer

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ali1234:

if you're doing anything other than displaying a video signal at it's native resolution on a display designed for that video, then it is going to look awful no matter what you do

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juski:

and if you view the OSD on a monitor at 1280x720 it looks _awful_ :)

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twodogs34:

sorry. i'm able to change channels by entering the channel number from keyboard or mce remote, but the arrow up key always takes me to channel 3

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laga:

the opengl OSD is beautiful :)

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klos:

does myth tv include any drivers ???

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juski:

laga: how can it be when the base res. is still 640x480?

[11:00:05]

juski:

klos: no

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klos:

ok thx

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laga:

juski: it's rendered at a proper resolution afaik

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laga:

looks very good on 1680x1050

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juski:

the graphics will still be scaled is what I mean

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laga:

true

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ali1234:

how can you even care about the OSD? you spend what, 3% of your total TV viewing time looking at it?

[11:03:07]

juski:

it's still important

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juski:

if how mythtv looks wasn't important to anybody there'd be no need for all the choice of themes

[11:04:05]

juski:

and we'd be stuck with sucky ones :)

[11:04:07]

ali1234:

there's only about 4?

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laga:

themes?

[11:04:15]

ali1234:

yes

[11:04:18]

laga:

true

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juski:

no there aren't

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laga:

neon-wide and the blootube variations

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** laga hides **

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juski:

mepo, syth...

[11:05:06]

laga:

hum

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laga:

i sjams still maining syth?

[11:05:17]

laga:

and lacquer or what was its name again

[11:05:23]

juski:

dunno

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laga:

ought to package them up

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laga:

sometimes i think it was a bad idea to make trunk packages

[11:13:13]

laga:

quite hard to follow a moving target

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juski:

just don't let people report bugs on it

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laga:

we don't

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laga:

unless it's a packaging problem

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laga:

there was a thread on the ml the other how the mythbuntu trunk packages would choose the wrong port

[11:14:22]

laga:

like it's caused by the packaging...

[11:14:45]

Daviey:

I know! i almost replied to that but for f**k it

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laga:

yup

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laga:

heh

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juski:

lol @

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twodogs34:

if i select chan up while watching chan 231, i dont get the next higher chan but chan 3

[11:16:30]

juski:

lol @ the judge who slagged off Jeremy Kyle's show

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juski:

twodogs34: works fine here

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laga:

twodogs34: do you hit enter after selecting a channel?

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laga:

hey, no problem.

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directhex|work:

is 0.20.2 likely to hit feisty-backports any time this millennium?

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laga:

it should be there already ?

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directhex|work:

hm, packages.ubuntu.com isn't updating then

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laga:

i think i'm gonna switch to kate from vim.

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juski:

just build from source :)

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directhex|work:

juski, assume i'm already capable of doing so. however, i want to ensure 0.20.2 is out for an article i'm writing

[12:07:16]

juski:

ah. wow does this mean there could be a linux mag article where all the facts are correct? ;)

[12:07:37]

juski:

none of this "browse the web while watching tv" nonsense

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directhex|work:

it's not for a linux mag, but it should get a reasonable number of eyeballs

[12:09:50]

directhex|work:

and, traditionally, a slashdotting

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directhex|work:

anyone know whether there was a software pvr before VDR (Feb 2000)?

[12:15:05]

juski:

webvcr ?

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directhex|work:

if berlios.de wasn't utter wank, i'd check

[12:16:53]

directhex|work:

"sourceforge for people who hate bandwidth(tm)"

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laga:

hehe

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juski:

webvcr+ came out in 2002

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directhex|work:

looks like vdr came first. certainly as a "proper" tivo clone, anyway

[12:19:54]

directhex|work:

tivo, replaytv and dishplayer were 1999

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juski:

pity about it only working with FF cards back then

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laga:

have you seen the pictures of klaus schmiedingers box?

[12:21:16]

juski:

nope

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directhex|work:

i still want some history in the article, vdr looks like an important point. hardware limitations aside

[12:22:05]

juski:

laga this? http://www.cadsoft.de/vdr/vdr.jpg

[12:22:24]

laga:

yep

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laga:

lovely, isn't it?

[12:23:20]

juski:

not really. it's black for one thing

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** laga adjusts juki's irony detector **

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lotia:

for folks using backend/frontend machines, what is the max number of recordings you've done while watching something before playback degrades? also what processors are you using?

[12:24:26]

juski:

lotia: we demoed a 3 box mythtv system at LRL earlier in the year

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Dagmar:

PLayback can degrade?

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juski:

the backend was a 800mhz athlon with one tuner & 512MB ram. it ran great, recording & playing back to 3 frontends

[12:25:18]

lotia:

Dagmar: i mean before stuttering etc. starts.

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Dagmar:

You should be fine with up to four tuners if you have decent disks and *HARDWARE VIDEO COMPRESSION*

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juski:

at home I've tested 3 tuners recording at the same time & serving 3 frontends playing recordings

[12:25:35]

lotia:

what about folks with single machines.

[12:25:50]

Dagmar:

If you try to use multiple framegrabber cards, you should have your head examined

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juski:

lotia: that *was* a single machine pldoing all the recording

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Dagmar:

lotia: What about tem

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GreyFoxx:

lotia: My master backend could record 4 streams and playback at the same time my slave was recording 8

[12:26:11]

lotia:

juski: i mean what about a single machine doing playback and recording

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GreyFoxx:

the main thing is to avoid software encoding

[12:26:26]

juski:

lotia: easy peasy if you don't use lamegrabbers

[12:27:17]

juski:

if one athlon 800 box can record & play back while serving 2 other frontends I doubt a single box would have trouble

[12:27:23]

directhex|work:

when was the first xpmce release? i want to say 2003, but i can't imagine 3 major version releases in 1 year. not from ms

[12:27:33]

ali1234:

i have a single machine with 1 tuner, it can play live tv (and record it) and at the same time play a recording on the other monitor. using XvMC and a DVB tuner. and the machine is athlon 1600+

[12:28:00]

juski:

why use xvmc with that cpu? 800mhz doesn't need it

[12:28:09]

ali1234:

because software decoding looks like crap

[12:28:28]

lotia:

thanks for the responses folks. and any of these machines doing hd. i was surprised last night when my box running the latest stable version (0.20.2) started stuttering while i was chasing heroes. realised that the logging was set VERY verbose.

[12:29:16]

directhex|work:

lotia, HD changes everything

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lotia:

turned the logging down and hoping it doesn't do that

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laga:

directhex|work: see wikipedia?

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juski:

lotia: only playback of hdtv is cpu intensive. recording it only eats IO bandwidth, and even then 18mbits/sec per recording is nothing

[12:31:30]

lotia:

juski: thats what i thought.

[12:31:33]

ali1234:

no mine is not HD, i cant get it yet.

[12:31:54]

juski:

it'd be fun to do some real stress testing

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directhex|work:

laga, junk, as per usual

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lotia:

juski: 4–5 streams + playback on an P4 3.2 2gb ram on to sata 300 drives shouldn't be impossible then? or is that just too much simultaneous I/O requests even though the total throughput is low?

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laga:

directhex|work: heh

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juski:

depends on the filesystem, but it's not totally fanciful

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lotia:

juski: i'm using jfs, which has served me well in the past

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clever[rev]:

main.o: In function `main':/home/mythtv/mythtvbuild/mythplugins/mytharchive/mytharchivehelper/main.c pp:2357: undefined reference to `MythContext::Init(bool)'

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clever[rev]:

i broke something:P

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Dagmar:

lol

[12:38:24]

clever[rev]:

any guess as to what?:P

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directhex|work:

"the source code!"

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juski:

yeah. something

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directhex|work:

i beat juski \o/

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clever[rev]:

basicaly ive done svn update;configure;make

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juski:

clever[rev]: you're the clever one

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clever[rev]:

with a old build dir that used to work

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beata:

is there a way to tell if ffmpeg has mp3 support?

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juski:

beata: yes

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directhex|work:

beata, yes

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beata:

yea i just figured that out

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juski:

clever[rev]: try cleaning it. make distclean

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clever[rev]:

i just cleaned the mytharchivehelper folder

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directhex|work:

ffmpeg -formats | grep mp3

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Dagmar:

juski: But that would be using the brain instead of merely being clever

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juski:

clever[rev]: oh and FYI you need to have installed mythth first

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clever[rev]:

mythfrontend is playing a show atm

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clever[rev]:

and i have recordings from 4+ months ago

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clever[rev]:

i think its installed:P

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juski:

clever[rev]: I mean from the same build tree

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clever[rev]:

the mythtv source i svn update'd last night

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clever[rev]:

all trunk

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juski:

and installed?

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clever[rev]:

yes i installed it

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clever[rev]:

and had to edit the new pin settings before it would work

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juski:

you'll work it out

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beata:

DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3

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beata:

D A mp3

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beata:

does that mean it has mp3 support?

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directhex|work:

D for decode, E for encode. iirc

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clever[rev]:

man ffmpeg

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clever[rev]:

/-formats<enter>

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beata:

thanks directhex|work

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beata:

im just trying to figure out why mythweb streaming tv dosent have audio

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defaultro:

morning folks, off topic question, how do I pay someone in person using paypal? Do they have something that we can print?

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Dagmar:

Click on "Send moneY"

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Dagmar:

I would suggest you not share a keyboard with someone while doing this, unless you want your paypal password keylogged

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juski:

oh gawd. we changed hundreds of LEDs on boards, I've programmed one up & the LEDs dont work. The replacement LEDs are a different polarityt. ffs

[13:01:16]

Merlin83b:

Heh.

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willcooke:

don't LED's have a little flat bit on one of the legs to show you which way they are supposed to go?

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Dagmar:

hehehe

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juski:

standalone ones do. these are stacked

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rooaus:

juski: oh f**k, that sucks

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juski:

serves us right for doing what our boss says :P

[13:04:27]

rooaus:

never works out properly, my theory is: Do what they want not what they ask.

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juski:

yeah we're mind-readers like that

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rooaus:

yeah, the problem is my boss doesn't know what she wants

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rooaus:

juski: How did the dog go yesterday?

[13:17:43]

juski:

he was a bit excited to see me when I got home but was fine otherwise. no mes, no presents

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juski:

he cried for about half an hopur when we went to bed last night though

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directhex|work:

i need a cynical english-speaker to check through page 1 of my article

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laga:

i'm a cynical german :/

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juski:

what about mchou? cynical enough?

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rooaus:

juski: That is great (the no mess thing), I suppose he will take a while to get used to your routine.

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directhex|work:

you anywhere near OOo, juski?

[13:19:20]

directhex|work:

or Dagmar

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juski:

Ooo ?

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directhex|work:

openoffice

[13:19:37]

juski:

nope

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** directhex|work pokes Dagmar. or mchou, why not **

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rooaus:

directhex|work: You could post it to the users mailing list, that should start another monster thread ;)

[13:21:12]

Dagmar:

how do I get near software?

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Dagmar:

it r trancendental!

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laga:

Dagmar: some lube and an old floppy drive?

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directhex|work:

rooaus, i have no interest in widely circulating my article unfinished. i just need someone to give feedback as it progresses, in an effort to *avoid* the flamewars at the end

[13:22:27]

laga:

make sure to mention mythbuntu

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laga:

and how great it'll be

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laga:

:)

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, plug yourself into a USB port, mount yourself to /media/dagmar, and set up a symlink near /usr/lib/openoffice

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directhex|work:

duh!

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juski:

and make sure to not mention linuxmce

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rooaus:

directhex|work: Sorry, that was tongue in cheek.

[13:23:26]

directhex|work:

juski, i was tempted to specifically mention it and why i wouldn't touch it with a barge pole

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juski:

or say it has "an experimental interface"

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directhex|work:

juski, i call a spade a *tender loving* shovel

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juski:

heh

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jduggan_:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7012276.stm

[13:24:09]

jduggan_:

any u brits read this?

[13:24:19]

jduggan_:

from what i read, its saying HD on freeview is a certainty

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juski:

it's bollocks

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juski:

HD on terrestrial,to be of any use will have to be h.264

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juski:

and I can't think of any STB capable of doing h.264

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directhex|work:

juski, that's what it says

[13:25:37]

directhex|work:

juski, that HD on freeview will be delayed, so people don't feel gipped by buying new STBs

[13:26:26]

directhex|work:

anyway, Dagmar, can you give this a quick read?

[13:26:32]

laga:

there are a few h.264 stbs of course :)

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directhex|work:

laga, people on the hd-freeview trial get given one!

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jams:

laga, yes it's still semi maintained. I have a bunch of changes I have never bother to pkg, but do plan on it at some point.

[13:28:48]

laga:

jams: cool stuff.

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laga:

jams: would be fine with us shipping it with mythbuntu?

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directhex|work:

laga, i know it's due for release soon, but i'm not comfortable doing an article about something i haven't got any experience with. hence using "normal" ubuntu

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jams:

i have no problem, but apparently the license needs to be changed first to comply with ubuntu facism

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juski:

glass-wide == CC, no derivs, attrib, non-commercial, non-distributable

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juski:

oh wait I left out non-downloadable

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juski:

and it's out now!

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laga:

juski: if it's ever released, would you host a .deb for it? it'd create it for you. i don't want to clutter up /usr/ with random stuff

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juski:

in all seriousness I aim to make it small enough to be included in the official themes

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laga:

juski: with that licence?

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laga:

i doubt that#

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juski:

heh no of course not

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laga:

"official themes". aren't yours official, too?

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laga:

.oO(.. sudo aptitude install mythtv-additional-themes ..)

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juski:

no they're not

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laga:

they're in svn so they gotta be official :)

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juski:

at least I don't think they are

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keith4_:

what's that flag that makes mythfilldatabase throw out all of the data and start fresh?

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AndyCap:

keith4_: mythfilldatabase has --help

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keith4_:

so it does

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juski:

mythfilldatabase --ask-in-irc-channel

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laga:

--verbose none

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keith4_:

i have a channel where the content doesn't match the listings... i emailed SD, and they said it should be correct, and "Perhaps your application has cached an older channel map?", so I want to completely wipe out my listings data and start fresh

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keith4_:

mythfilldatabase --only-update-channels sounds like it will do that, but it doesn't seem to change anything

[13:44:13]

keith4_:

well, in conjunction with --refresh-all, that is

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juski:

mysql -u $user -p$pawword mythconverg -e "truncate program;" would wipe out all the programme data in the database

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keith4_:

including channel mappings?

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juski:

ah no just the show data

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keith4_:

ah, wait... no wonder it's not doing anything: Connecting to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com|206.18.98.175|:80... failed: Network is unreachable.

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keith4_:

wtf... I'm ssh'd into this machine from work, how is that possible?

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GreyFoxx:

That IP is reachable from here

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laga:

ping doesn't work from here

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keith4_:

I didn't have a route out.. very strange

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keith4_:

working now

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keith4_:

I'll let a refresh-all run and see if i'm still too dumb to figure it out. thanks for the help

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ruckerz:

why doesn't my MythVideo settings get propagated to my frontends?

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CaptObviousman:

greetings

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clever[rev]:

Cpu(s): 35.8% us, 60.6% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.1% hi, 3.6% si

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clever[rev]:

mythtv has been sucking an oddly high ammount of system cpu usage lately

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laga:

yay! it's captain obviousman!

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** CaptObviousman comes bearing beer for the channel regs **

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laga:

heh

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laga:

too early for me, thanks :)

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CaptObviousman:

well, we'll stick it into the fridge for later

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** CaptObviousman creeps one paycheck closer to his mythtv box becoming not a myth any longer **

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niter3:

Hey guys, what's your thoughts on LinuxMCE?

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juski:

it's a big bag o shite, that's what it is

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CaptObviousman:

I didn't even know there was such a thing

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juski:

low WAF, horrible interface. hard to read text...

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juski:

too much onscreen at once...

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juski:

also for all the singsong about it, it doesn't actually support that much in terms of home automation hardware

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juski:

but apart from that, it's ok :P

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juski:

anyway what most people don't get about home automation is that it's always going to need a whole load of configuration – if not in terms of getting things to talk to each other then in terms of which events happen at what time & stuff

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Daviey:

wtf...

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Daviey:

niter3: do you reallly think you'll get a fair opinion in a mythtv-uses channel?!

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Lunar_Lamp:

OK, I have a 6200 set up, using the nvidia drivers, working fine on a monitor. Hooking up svideo to the TV didn't work automagically – so I thought I'd check with you guys if there was any place I could get decent up to date instructions (running ubuntu gutsy).

[15:06:49]

Daviey:

Join, #windows and ask them what they think of linux :/

[15:06:51]

juski:

well there's no f'ing point asking in #linux-mce

[15:07:21]

juski:

Lunar_Lamp: google this: ubuntu nvidia tvout

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juski:

anyway the general sentiment among people who've actually sat down & thought about linuxmce is that it's a lot of fuss about nowt

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Lunar_Lamp:

juski: I did, but the guides seem to be pretty old that I found on a cursory glance around – just wanted to check if there was any specific known good ones. I take your response to mean that googling should just sort it out.

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juski:

at least of those who've talked about it in here

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juski:

Lunar_Lamp: you could alays go & read the nvidia docs on how to configure their driver

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directhex|work:

niter3, linux-mce is an open-source distro for the partially-myth-based home automation product Pluto. without the hardware & support, Pluto's not much use. and it's a bit "odd" at the best of times. now, since mce is pluto without hwardware osupport...

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juski:

I think niter3 knows what linuxmce is – he was asking for opinions

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directhex|work:

juski, that IS an opinion. and most people *don't* know about pluto

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directhex|work:

calling it "mce" at all is misleading, because it's not – it's home automation w/ a bit of media on the side

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juski:

and if you want to know what I'd put money on becoming the #1 media centre in linux, I'll be saying XBMC

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juski:

except it won't record TV

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juski:

which'll suit the leet down to the ground

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directhex|work:

like eliza!

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willcooke:

Lunar_Lamp, there's some nvidia settings app (search for it in synaptic or whatever you use) that will give you a gui to turn on stuff like tv out

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juski:

there's a GUI for tvout now?!

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** juski stands back in amazement **

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willcooke:

there's some nvidia app that let's you piss about with stuff like that

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CaptObviousman:

XBMC looks pretty neat, but I question its usefulness

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willcooke:

... or is it an ati appp? hmmmmm. oh well

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juski:

CaptObviousman: it's completely useless for recording TV

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CaptObviousman:

well, that aside

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juski:

and Elisa is just completely useless without paying

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willcooke:

"sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings"

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juski:

they shouldn't be calling themselves an OSS project

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, but it's Trendy

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juski:

twattish people blog lots aboutit

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juski:

so it must be good, right

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CaptObviousman:

twatish, heh

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willcooke:

Oooo. M$ are going to buy some of facebook. Where's that cancel account button?

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CaptObviousman:

which means they'll probably foist the windows search on facebook developers

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juski:

well, I got bored with facebook about a week after setting out on it

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willcooke:

juski, likewise

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directhex|work:

i never signed up

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directhex|work:

i'm not a cool web 2.0 blogosphere person like you guys

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juski:

neither am I

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juski:

"but you've GOT to start blogging man.". "ah yes but you've GOT to stop wearing that beard & those shorts. you look like a TWAT!"

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juski:

ahem

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juski:

this is me being anxious about doggy again

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CaptObviousman:

you sure do like that word =P

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willcooke:

I only signed up because my friend had a baby and had stuck a load of pictures on there, then before I knew it I was looking for old friends and "throwing sheep" at people. Then I got bored.

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CaptObviousman:

facebook, myspace, Britney Spears, they're all things that "people" love, but individuals love to hate

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juski:

the only people I wouldn't mind getting in touch with again (maybe it's not mutual) aren't even on there

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willcooke:

juski, that dog is making you soft. Before you know it you'll be helping n00bs. ;)

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juski:

I enjoyed joining the 'I hate Kate nash' group

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CaptObviousman:

like, I don't know a single person that actually listens to pop music

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CaptObviousman:

and yet it's POP music for a reason, because it's POPULAR

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juski:

willcooke: you didn't hear him crying last night when we went to bed

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CaptObviousman:

so there's a whole lot of closet pop music lovers

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juski:

I was this close '' to going down there

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willcooke:

He's using his powers on you.

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juski:

was only quiet crying, quite pathetic really. but then that's the key innit? not annoying

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willcooke:

First it'll be extra walkies, then extra biscuits, then before you know it he'll be in your bed and you'll be on the sofa

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pushka:

juski: about elisa and paying... this is oss. it is not free software, but opensource. please note the difference

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juski:

pushka: yeah but the codecs youbuy are closed source

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juski:

I _know_ the difference

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pushka:

ok

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pushka:

i just started trying mythtv on my pinnacle 310i

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pushka:

and i have problem with the tv viewing... it works in other applications, but my (analog tv) in mythtv looks like on old tv set. desynced horizontal stripes, not a nice picture. anyone know what can be the problem?

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pushka:

it works well in mplayer or tvtime

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CaptObviousman:

step 1: take baseball bat step 2: smash old tv

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pushka:

there is no old tv

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pushka:

it looks like it

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ShockValue:

sheesh, my connection to irc at home is persistant :)

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CaptObviousman:

no, see, the spirit of your old tv is haunting your PC

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pushka:

well its not about me. i dont even watch any tv

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CaptObviousman:

so you have to appease the old spirits without angering the magic smoke

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pushka:

but i need to make it working :D

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ShockValue:

got a question about mythweb and recording schedules... i did a bunch of manual overrides last week (new fall shows) and they all showed up in "Recording Schedules"

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ShockValue:

i figued they'd vanish after the shows had been recorded.. but they persist

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willcooke:

ahh. finally – my internet link at home is back up. I can ssh again!

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ShockValue:

so now i have, bones [specific episode], bones [general], bones [specific episode] ,etc

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beata:

before instaslling my hd tuner, mythweb would generate preview .png fine. Now, it seems only recordings from the digital tuner will generate a preview picture, the rest error out with the error "review Error: Previewer file is not valid. " any ideas on what is wrong?

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ShockValue:

hooray for ssh!

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juski:

beata: maybe the recordings are all boffed

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beata:

juski i can play them fine in mythfrontend

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juski:

no idea then

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CaptObviousman:

ShockValue: what's to stop you from venturing into the recordings table and taking out what you don't want?

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CaptObviousman:

that would fix the problem guaranteed

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** Lunar_Lamp whimpers **

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Lunar_Lamp:

I finally got my mythtv setup working wonderfully. It lasted about 5minutes.

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** CaptObviousman hehs at Lunar_Lamp **

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Lunar_Lamp:

I decided to clear up all the cables and broke my wireless card in the process :-(

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** Lunar_Lamp shakes his fist at his clumsy... fist **

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ShockValue:

CaptObviousman: i could, but automatied is much more reliable

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CaptObviousman:

ShockValue: well if they're manual overrides that you did, then you can get rid of the manual overrides and leave the normal ones

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CaptObviousman:

I haven't actually looked into the sql behind mythtv yet, I don't know how difficult it would be, but it doesn't sound _too_ too hard

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juski:

imagine a 10 page long mysql query. you've just imagined the BFSQ

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** CaptObviousman is unafraid **

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CaptObviousman:

BFSQ = what?

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directhex|work:

big *tender loving* server query?

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Merlin83b:

Scehduling

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Merlin83b:

Scheduling, too.

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juski:

hmm I might try & put some shows onto doovde tonight

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directhex|work:

the fun thing about putting things on doovde is it fails after 2 hours

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juski:

hometimeish

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CaptObviousman:

lucky bastage

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ShockValue:

im looking for keys that arent used be default so i can setup my remote. my quick search so far has these as being unused " L ; : ! @ $ % ^ & ( )

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ShockValue:

is there any issues with binding commands to special characters like these?

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coreyo:

does anyone have any recommendations for optimal playback settings with a TV tuner?

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clever[rev]:

ShockValue: you could reuse allready binded keys with the function they allready have

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clever[rev]:

ShockValue: for example put volume on [](which is allready bound to volume)

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ShockValue:

well i'd like to add some jumppoints which dont have keys binded

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ShockValue:

so i'd like to make "Program Guide" = "!" for example

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ShockValue:

but i dont know if those special symbols were excluded for a reason

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clever[rev]:

ShockValue: ahhh but it cant hurt to try them

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clever[rev]:

you could allways delete useless bindings also

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clever[rev]:

what id perfer is more of the mplayer binding setup

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clever[rev]:

where each key/lirc/click is bound to a action

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clever[rev]:

not lirc->key->action

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clever[rev]:

then i could bind lirc up without having to care what the keys of the keyboard are bound to

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Yahooadam:

?

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Yahooadam:

Mplayer and Mythtv use the same method of translating remote signals

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ShockValue:

luckily the internal player is working just fine for me, so i dont need to mess with mplayer much

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clever[rev]:

i have yet to actualy get a lirc receiver so i havent actualy bound any lirc keys to actions ever:(

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Yahooadam:

The hauppage MCE thing is fantastic :)

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Yahooadam:

IMO ;)

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clever[rev]:

but it would be simpler i think to bind keys within lirc to mythtv actions

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GreyFoxx:

you mean the Microsoft MCE ?

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clever[rev]:

without having to bounce off the key bindings

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ShockValue:

i have a nice harmony remote, but im not really utilizing it for what it could really do

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GreyFoxx:

I have to admit being impressed with installing the MCE remote

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Yahooadam:

Yeah greyfoxx :)

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ShockValue:

but since myth is my music, dvd, video and tv player, i really only need 3 "devices", myth, tv, stereo

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GreyFoxx:

took 5 minutes tops including compiling lirc from svn

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Yahooadam:

took me like 5 days to setup a serial and MCE remote, but after i had done it once and re-written the tutorials, it works great :)

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Yahooadam:

and its pretty easy

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clever[rev]:

it took me 5 months to get lirc to even build:P

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clever[rev]:

hadnt built kernel modules before that

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pushka:

btw what do you think about vdr ?

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twodogs34:

in mythtv setup, under input connections, should "fetch channels" provide the data for the "starting channel"? I don't think scanning channels is right because i have a settop box.

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Yahooadam:

i had to fetch channels for my STB

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Yahooadam:

i think

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twodogs34:

i tried scanning channels but the "channel editor" screen wasn't showing the schedules direct data so i thought i made a mistake

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Yahooadam:

have you selected schedules direct as your listings source ?

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twodogs34:

schedules direct is my listing and mythfilldatabase is apparently grabbing info. ive search for how these thing relate but found nada. i dont know the difference between fetching channels and filling the database. I also dont know what populates the channel editor screen or the starting channel box

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bbitz:

Hello

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bsdfox_:

I've got a problem.. none of my new recording are being flagged for transcoding and I can't figure out why not

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bbitz:

What country are the majority of MythTV users from?

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Yahooadam:

america

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bbitz:

The docs seem to be for North America, but North America doesn't have a wide range of programming in digital format, mostly because DBS and Digital Cable carriers don't want to standardize on one platform

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Yahooadam:

you just connect your STB to mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

bbitz: I'd say a large portion are Canada/US. And lots in the UK

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bbitz:

So, digital -> analog -> MythTV -> digital

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Yahooadam:

not necisarily

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Yahooadam:

quite a few people seem to use the firewire connection if they have it

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fryfrog:

bbitz: you can do STB — firewire --> mythtv

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fryfrog:

that is all digtial, and for a lot of people works great

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juski:

I wondered on holiday whether there are many mythtv users in Greece ;)

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bsdfox_:

to set it up to autotranscode (which worked fine yesterday before I messed with a bunch of settings) I just need to have the box checked for "enable auto-transcode after recording" under MPEG-2 Encoders -> Default -> Profile right?

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bbitz:

hmm, I wish I lived in an area where I could get digital cable and a STB with firewire... but around here we are neglected by utility providers... we are lucky to have DSL

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Juski:

yay! whereabouts?

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willcooke:

paxos

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bsdfox_:

come on.. I'm sure someone knows how to get autotranscode working

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willcooke:

to sit in the sun for a week and read, before starting a new job when I get back.

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bbitz:

bsdfox_, I believe there is a per-backend setting on wheiter or not to allow transcoding or commercial flagging, I saw it the other day when going through the settings. Make sure transcoding is enabled on that backend.

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bsdfox_:

it is

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laga:

bsdfox_: 1.) enable it globally in the settings screen 2.) enable it for your recording profile

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bsdfox_:

it is :( it's just not working

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bbitz:

not quite a mythtv question but related, why when connecting over ssh to a backend does it take 10 seconds before prompting for password? Is that normal? Is the mythtv process have too much priority?

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Juski:

willcooke: nice idea

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Juski:

bbitz: that time is taken up generating a key

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bsdfox_:

bbitz: that doesn't happen for me

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bsdfox_:

it shouldn't generate a key every time you connect

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coreyo:

can anyone suggest settings for optimal TV playback?

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coreyo:

should I deinterlace?

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** Juski wonders what's up with doggie not touching his toys til I come home **

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coreyo:

what decoder should I use?

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coreyo:

etc...

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Juski:

coreyo: generally yes

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Juski:

as for other filters – they tend to only mung up the video quality

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coreyo:

Juski, which algorithm should I use? Are there better ones that aren't included in the standard packages?

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coreyo:

Juski, which decoder do you use?

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Juski:

you get what you get with mythtv

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Juski:

if you use xvmc acceleration, only bob2x & onefield work

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Juski:

as for which one to use, try them out & see what works best for you

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** coreyo tries out that combination **

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willcooke:

Juski, re: doggy – he probably thinks they are your toys and that he should leave them alone until you get back. This is a very good sign! (From what I've read)

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Juski:

if you have a nvidia card and you're using a tvoutput over svideo or composite, nvidia-settings has a great flicker filter which neatly does away with the need to deinterlace

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Dr_Willis:

Hmm.. cant say that ive ever seen the flicker.

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Juski:

willcooke: I was thinking that, but that's way too good to be true!

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coreyo:

Juski, I have an onboard geforce 7050 with hdmi out. That's hooked into a receiver, then projector

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Juski:

ah well, no deflicker filter for you then :)

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coreyo:

apparently not :(

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coreyo:

is xvmc generally the best decoder to use?

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Juski:

nope

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coreyo:

Juski, is there one that you personally recommend?

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Juski:

it has bad points. it saves CPU cycles where it's available but has disadvantages

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willcooke:

Juski, After the Mrs watched the Dog Listener she had this woman come round and tell us all about dog psychology. I thought it would all be tree hugging BS, but it was actually really helpful.

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Juski:

coreyo: I'm stuck with using bob 2x with xvmc because my frontend is a lame PoS

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Juski:

damn epia crap

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fryfrog:

dogs are amazingly simple, but hard when you think about it

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fryfrog:

my wife says animals are naturl gamblers :)

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fryfrog:

natural

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willcooke:

speaking of which – walkies time. ttfn

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coreyo:

Juski, been trying out some combinations ... I just wish you could change them on the fly so I could see them nearly side-by-side

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coreyo:

is there any sort of a nice bluetooth remote control that can be used with mythtv?

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coreyo:

is there even backend support for such a thing?

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fryfrog:

blue tooth!

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fryfrog:

thats crazy talk!

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coreyo:

I just don't understand why modern appliances haven't gone bluetooth yet :(

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coreyo:

like tv's dvd/blueray/HDDVD, receivers, stereos, etc...

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coreyo:

also, when you pull up the menu with the "m" key, and go to adjust the picture. You choose something like "hue" and a little bar comes up. Pressing up or down changes the channel, and left or right places that bar at -1%. How do I actually place that bar up or down?

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Juski:

coreyo: looks like you need to rtfm a little ;)

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Juski:

anyway with regard to remotes, that's something to worry about on the frontend not the backend, unless they both happen to be on the same machine

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Juski:

as for bluetooth remotes – good luck finding one

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coreyo:

:(

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laga:

playstation three remote?

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coreyo:

that'd be awfully nice, especially considering that the computer is on the backwall with the projector, and not the front wall

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Juski:

oh I forgot all about the PS3 remote!

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coreyo:

hmm...

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fryfrog:

coreyo: ir probably doesn't require a license, is cheap and simple to do. bluetooth probably does, and also probably isn't cheap and simple to do

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coreyo:

who cares about cheap when you're talking HDTV's and expensive HD equipment?

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coreyo:

that's a drop in the bucket ...

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Juski:

no probably about it

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coreyo:

... so about the picture adjust, once I pull up one of the adjust bars, how do I actually increase or decrease the bar?

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Juski:

tried [ and ] ?

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coreyo:

Juski, probably, but I can't be sure until I try them again

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** coreyo tries **

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Juski:

ah. now if you'd read the docs about this...

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Juski:

G brings up the picture adjustment controls, and repeated presses cycle throught the different options

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Juski:

2007-09–25 19:12:16.638 MythSocket(8e7d258:15): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list. !!

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bsdfox_:

did you get disconnected from the backend after that juski?

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Juski:

yeah

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coreyo:

Juski, right, you can also get to them through M. The problem is that once you choose an option, it's a mystery as to how to adjust its slider. [ and ] adjust volume ... pulling you out of that option btw

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Juski:

you adjust the slider with LEFT and RIGHT like it says in the docs ;)

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coreyo:

Juski, been looking through the docs, just can't find the answer to this

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coreyo:

Juski, LEFT and RIGHT automatically send the slider to -1%

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coreyo:

pressing either one of them again does nothing

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coreyo:

no change is seen in the picture

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Kazan:

weird.. trunk frontend appears to dislike Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, extended disk 1

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Juski:

oh crap. recordings seem to have vanished

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** Kazan reboots his system **

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Juski:

I have a database backup from this morning but... wtf?

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Juski:

nothing for it but to stop the backend & run mythtv-setup

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laga:

coreyo: maybe you ned to enable Xv picture controls

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Juski:

shit. all tables are ok. recording storage location is fine

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MythNewbie:

Hello oracles of mythtv, I've search for an answer to my question to no avail. How can I add multiple storage directories to a .20.2 mythbackend? Some docs suggest this is possible, but the backend setup interface only seems to have a way to define a single storage directory. I want to do this so that I get disk load balancing when my system is recording multiple programs as once. (I've built myself a 3-tuner system).

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Juski:

MythNewbie: you don;t

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Juski:

or rather, not with mythtv you don't

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MythNewbie:

it just can't be done?

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Juski:

maybe with LVM

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Juski:

not with mythtv

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laga:

MythNewbie: it can#t be done in 0.20.2

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laga:

it's possible in trunk

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laga:

Juski: heh. welcome to the club of users where mythtv fucks up randomly

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Juski:

well, my recordings are back & it seems some of them failed yesterday & today

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MythNewbie:

sigh. ok. the documentation didn't make it clear that was new functionality to the trunk.

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laga:

i'm pretty sure it says that in the documentation at mythtv.org

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Kazan:

wtf

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Kazan:

Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Extended edition, Disk 1 crashes trunk frontend sometimes and other times corrupts video output

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stuarta:

ugh, that's not friendly

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Kazan:

i should say it leaves output corrupted after crashing frontend

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Kazan:

any attempt to use overlay afterwards is corrupt

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stuarta:

corrupts the video memory by the sound of it.

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bsdfox_:

MythNewbie: build a raid0 array if you want the benefits of multiple disks

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MythNewbie:

sure enough, the docs do say only in the SVN version.

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laga:

bsdfox_: the benefits of multiple disks and the benefits of less reliability

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bsdfox_:

yeah

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MythNewbie:

Yes, I was looking for distribution without striping, so that if I lost one disk, I wouldn't loose all my recordings.

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Kazan:

i use lvm

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laga:

MythNewbie: i think there's a script in contrib/ called myth_archive_job.pl which can move the recordings elsewhere

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Kazan:

raid5 mythnewbie

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laga:

MythNewbie: or install trunk :>

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bsdfox_:

raid5 is pretty slow for writing

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MythNewbie:

yes, but raid 5 has it's own load problems.

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bsdfox_:

you could raid10

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MythNewbie:

install the trunk, or maybe I'll just wait till it's released.

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bsdfox_:

get pretty decent performance

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MythNewbie:

ok guys. thanks for the clarification. guess I scanned the docs too fast the first time through.

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Kazan:

today is going to be an AWESOME day outside for medieval combat society practice

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Kazan:

not even sixty degrees.. yet still not too cold.. won't be burning up in our armor :D

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MythNewbie:

Kazan, I bet you're a member of the non-sequitor society

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MythNewbie:

;-)

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Kazan:

no i'm not a member of Society for Creative Anachronism

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Juski:

hmm no clues as to what happened with the backend :-\

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Juski:

maybe I'll just put it down to the fact I was arsing about with the db today when I moved /media to /myth – though I never touched the recordings location

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keith4_:

any way to blow away channel data and fetch it fresh?

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keith4_:

like, if my cable company moved some channels, but the listings aren't reflecting that

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fryfrog:

delete the line up, re-create it

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keith4_:

fryfrog: in mythtv-setup?

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Yahooadam:

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/search.php on line 330

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Yahooadam:

where do i change the limit ?

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stuarta:

the readme will tell you

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garth:

I was wondering if anybody is online that could help me troubleshoot my mythtv frontend

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Yahooadam:

Maybe, if you ask a question

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garth:

basically, i set it up on my laptop, and it was streaming the content just fine. then for some reason it got "choked" somehow

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NightMonkey:

garth: Wireless?

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garth:

yes

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Yahooadam:

qed most likely

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stuarta:

insufficient bandwidth on wireless

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garth:

qed? like quod erod demonstrandum?

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NightMonkey:

garth: What's the bitrate of your recordings?

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Yahooadam:

yeah, somthing like that, as in "question answered"

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garth:

hmmm... it WAS working smoothly at one point

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Yahooadam:

stuarta – where is this readme

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garth:

thats what doesnt make sense

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Yahooadam:

wireless is very unpredictable

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garth:

i see

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NightMonkey:

garth: Wireless is flaky.

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Yahooadam:

use a Dect phone and your bandwith can be gone

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NightMonkey:

garth: 'Cause it's a radio, not a wire. ;)

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stuarta:

Yahooadam: should be in with mythweb

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garth:

i had my doubts about it, but when it worked great on the first try i was like YAY \0/

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Yahooadam:

stuarta – i used the ubuntu repository, cant see any readme in the mythweb folder

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stuarta:

basically you are out of memory in php.

[18:55:05]

Yahooadam:

garth, try moving closer to the router, see if it works better

[18:55:14]

stuarta:

find and configure php to use more memory

[18:55:21]

Yahooadam:

stuarta, i just edited my.cnf and doubled its allowances

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stuarta:

that's mysql

[18:55:30]

stuarta:

not php

[18:55:33]

garth:

ok i will try that

[18:55:35]

Yahooadam:

ah

[18:55:45]

Yahooadam:

wheres the php config kept on debian systems ?

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NightMonkey:

garth: I have wireless (802.11G) working around my house, but that's with two WDS repeaters. Then new neighbors moved in, which forced me to move channels, etc. Lots of chances for interference/disruption of service.

[18:55:57]

stuarta:

/etc/php.ini i believe

[18:56:34]

Yahooadam:

./etc/php5/apache2/php.ini ?

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garth:

y'know that seems to be similar to my situation, because just yesterday i started picking up (presumably) my neighbors SSIDs

[18:56:48]

NightMonkey:

garth: You also need to tune your recording bitrate to match well with your network bandwidth limits.

[18:57:03]

stuarta:

Yahooadam: yeah that'd be it

[18:57:13]

garth:

is that done in backend setup, i presume/

[18:57:36]

NightMonkey:

garth: Nah, recording profiles. And transcoding profiles, if you do that sort of thing. ;)

[18:57:47]

Yahooadam:

memory_limit = 128M ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume (128MB)

[18:57:51]

garth:

not yet, gotta get it working smooth first

[18:58:10]

garth:

you think if I changed my wireless channels I'd have any luck/

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Yahooadam:

maybe, depends what is interfearing

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garth:

i'll give it a shot

[18:58:53]

NightMonkey:

garth: Check to see what channels are already occupied.

[18:59:03]

garth:

the frontend on my laptop is only 1 room over from the backed, and that is the same room as the router

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NightMonkey:

garth: Pick the one with the least number of APs already on it.

[18:59:27]

garth:

ok thanks i'll keep that in mind

[18:59:32]

NightMonkey:

garth: Then turn off your microwave. ;)

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garth:

hehe oh so I shouldnt run these three microwaves on top of my router at the same time?

[18:59:58]

garth:

you dont say

[19:00:04]

** willcooke wonders if 802.11a is cheap now? **

[19:00:13]

Yahooadam:

doubt it

[19:00:18]

Yahooadam:

its not very popular

[19:01:03]

garth:

with the proximity of the backend to the router (1 room over) I should just run some CAT-5 and quit worrying about it

[19:01:11]

willcooke:

it'd solved a lot of "802.11b/g over crowded" problems

[19:01:21]

willcooke:

cat5 = \o/

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garth:

what about those doohickeys that send your network signal through your AC wiring?

[19:01:53]

willcooke:

they work ok

[19:02:04]

garth:

any bandwidth issues/

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willcooke:

not great – but good enought

[19:02:29]

Yahooadam:

umm

[19:02:31]

garth:

better than wireless i suppose

[19:02:40]

willcooke:

but they're more expensive than an ethernet switch

[19:02:42]

Yahooadam:

garth, your not doing backend – wireless -> router -> wireless – computer ?

[19:02:58]

garth:

uh... yeah... *sheepish smile*

[19:03:42]

CaptObviousman:

hello packet loss

[19:03:43]

Yahooadam:

ugh get the server off the wirless :p

[19:03:51]

CaptObviousman:

should be a wire between the backend and your front end

[19:03:55]

CaptObviousman:

too much data not to

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Yahooadam:

at the very least u should wire the server in

[19:04:10]

garth:

yeah, i guess my expectations were skewed when it worked for a little while without a single hiccup

[19:04:15]

garth:

musta just been blind luck

[19:04:26]

CaptObviousman:

well, perhaps a neighbor or three added their own wireless routers

[19:04:37]

garth:

thank you captain obvious :D

[19:04:46]

CaptObviousman:

it's what I do

[19:04:50]

garth:

but really, i think youre right

[19:05:15]

NightMonkey:

garth: That's a touchy setup. Lot of tweaking/testing needed. Possible, but needs TLC.

[19:05:33]

garth:

easier for a noob like me just to run some CAT-5

[19:06:10]

garth:

ok thanks for all the advice guys

[19:06:37]

NightMonkey:

garth: If you hate the idea of wires, you can have the wired setup around until you get your wireless network going strong. The most popular channels for APs are, in my experience, 6 and 4.

[19:06:55]

NightMonkey:

garth: (At least in the US)

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Yahooadam:

i usually use 11 if i can

[19:07:46]

NightMonkey:

garth: So, try 1 or 10 (if they're unoccupied). Kismet is great for finding out what's on-the-air.

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garth:

Well, the server I built outta some old parts, and I just happened to have an extra wireless NIC lying around

[19:08:05]

Yahooadam:

but if you can, hardwire the server, beacause your loading your wireless with twice the data

[19:08:06]

garth:

thats how it ended up on wireless

[19:08:19]

garth:

wired is how i envision the setup eventually

[19:08:23]

NightMonkey:

I second Yahooadam's advice. ;)

[19:09:08]

garth:

on another subject, does anyone know of a linux supported HD card with hardware encoding?

[19:09:25]

garth:

i understand drivers are in development for the Hauppauge HVR-1600

[19:09:28]

Juski:

no such thing, garth

[19:09:39]

garth:

i was afraid of that

[19:09:41]

Yahooadam:

you dont need hardware encoding as far as i know garth, because its already transmitted encoded

[19:09:47]

garth:

oh thats right!

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Juski:

there are HD cards (or are going to be) which encode SDTV inputs as mpeg, but HDTV comes already encoded

[19:10:09]

garth:

*slaps forehead*

[19:10:13]

garth:

awesome

[19:10:17]

Yahooadam:

your main problem will be your frontend

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Yahooadam:

HD requires alot of grunt to decode

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garth:

well, my setup is 1 back/front machine and then a front on my lappy

[19:11:24]

Yahooadam:

and your network aswell, HD requires alot more bandwith then SD

[19:11:34]

garth:

i'm primarily concerned with the main back/front system for HD

[19:11:53]

Juski:

3Ghz should be ok AFAIK

[19:11:55]

Yahooadam:

you most likely need somthing in the 3ghz range just for a HD frontend

[19:11:57]

Juski:

for mpeg2 anyway

[19:12:11]

garth:

gotcha

[19:12:37]

stuarta:

h264 requires more grunt

[19:12:47]

Juski:

much, much more

[19:12:58]

garth:

and if I'm running HD on a back & front machine will 3GHz still be enough?

[19:13:05]

Yahooadam:

shame purevideo doesnt work in linux

[19:13:24]

Juski:

the irony about recording HDTV is that it takes less CPU cycles than recording SDTV with software encoding

[19:13:45]

Juski:

CPU usage would typically be way less than 10% recording more than one HD stream

[19:14:08]

garth:

is there SMP support in Myth?

[19:14:41]

GreyFoxx:

garth: It's threaded, but playback isn't really a multithreaded operation

[19:14:52]

garth:

i see

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GreyFoxx:

though some of the next ffmpeg sync x264 decoding stuff will have some multithreaded decoding work in it

[19:15:11]

GreyFoxx:

but that's not sync'd in yet

[19:15:39]

garth:

right now my backend/frontend machine runs on a single-core A64 3500+, clocking at 2.2Ghz

[19:15:54]

garth:

I guess I'm wondering if i should upgrade the cpu before I jump into HD

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GreyFoxx:

nah, that's fine

[19:16:13]

GreyFoxx:

for mpeg2 HDTV which is the majority of it

[19:16:28]

GreyFoxx:

the h.264 stuff I can't really say for sure what that takes

[19:16:46]

Yahooadam:

i couldnt play HD (h.264) on my opty 185 (dual 2.6ghz)

[19:17:02]

garth:

yeah im just interested in the OTA channels or the unencrypted channels from my cable provider for right now

[19:17:15]

GreyFoxx:

I don't have any 264 HD samples to try on my main frontend

[19:17:15]

Yahooadam:

overclocked to 2.7ghz

[19:17:23]

GreyFoxx:

garth: Then you are fine

[19:17:31]

Yahooadam:

although i suspect my software would have been the biggest problem

[19:18:02]

garth:

so what would be a good back-for-buck card to acquire?

[19:18:08]

garth:

pchdtv?

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garth:

hd homerun?

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Yahooadam:

bang for buck ?

[19:19:39]

garth:

good value, i guess im trying to say

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garth:

im willing to spend extra $$ on a quality card if it makes a difference

[19:20:26]

Yahooadam:

u said "back for buck"

[19:20:36]

garth:

heh i see that now

[19:20:40]

garth:

BANG for buck

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Yahooadam:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/1144.dat: bad true/false value fadse at /usr/local/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 417.

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Yahooadam:

i really hate the RT grabber

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directhex:

if they use non-xml values to save BW, why use true/false not 1/0?

[19:22:18]

Yahooadam:

looks like a speeling mistake

[19:22:23]

Yahooadam:

"value fadse"

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directhex:

indeed

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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Yahooadam:

so i just deleted my listings, and theirs are screwed

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Yahooadam:

joy

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Yahooadam:

i cant believe how hard it is for them to make anything work

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adrian_:

How "no touch" is the UPnP support for MythTV/Vista?

[19:32:10]

adrian_:

I was just suddenly surprised to see MythTV turn up as a "AV Renderer" after upgrading, but I can't find the "AV Server" stuff.

[19:32:58]

directhex:

adrian_, you need codecs

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directhex:

adrian_, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP_with_Windows_Media_Player

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willcooke:

directhex, is that the page you wrote?

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directhex:

aye

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willcooke:

:-) Cool!

[19:36:11]

willcooke:

GWF

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adrian_:

Hmm, I can see the MythTV box as a player, but not as a server.

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Juski:

heheh doggy is all tired now

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Juski:

jesus. listen to me. I won't be bothered. not me. not in the slightest.

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: How are you liking being adog owner? I often think about it but with 3 cats and a 3yr old daughter I don't know if I have the time for a dog

[19:47:43]

Juski:

it's been hard work so far, but a lot of that has been us being stressed out about how he's coping

[19:47:52]

GreyFoxx:

ahh

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Juski:

when he cried last night it got to me a bit

[19:48:38]

Juski:

but when my wife got in from work (made sure she was 1st home tonight) he didn't take as long as last night to calm down

[19:48:55]

Juski:

he went nuts again when i got home, but again calmed down pretty quick

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GreyFoxx:

Was he in a bad situation before ?

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Juski:

he arrived at the home, a member of staff caught a guy tying him up to the fence outside

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Juski:

the guy said he'd taken him in as a stray but he had a bitch who was in heat.. yada yada. no idea how true any of that is

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roelf:

hello people

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Juski:

doesn't seem to have any personality defects other than he's a bit clingy, but that's way less than it was when we brought him home

[19:50:28]

roelf:

is it possible to run mythtv windowed

[19:50:33]

willcooke:

HA! I've just found a video of "The Adventure Game".

[19:50:38]

GreyFoxx:

Juski: We at least he took him to a home rather than ditched him somewhere else

[19:50:43]

willcooke:

That'll show the age of some of you UK people!

[19:50:54]

Juski:

ding ding willcooke

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GreyFoxx:

roelf: Yes. You can enable it as a config option, or specify it at the commandline

[19:51:07]

** Juski hands willcooke 50 drogna **

[19:51:19]

roelf:

what is that option greyfoxx

[19:51:20]

willcooke:

doogy rev

[19:51:38]

willcooke:

gronda gronda

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GreyFoxx:

roelf: run mythfrontend --help and it should be there

[19:51:47]

GreyFoxx:

I don;t have access to a frontend right now to check

[19:51:49]

Juski:

roelf: mythfrontend > utils/setup > setup > appearance

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roelf:

thanxs greyfoxx

[19:52:03]

Juski:

look out for the tickbox labelled "run mythfrontend in a window"

[19:52:07]

GreyFoxx:

or as Juski said you can permanently enable it with thge interface

[19:52:21]

Juski:

or mythfrontend -w

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willcooke:

Juski, I was told that a lab is "just a life support system for a stomach" – you finding that?

[19:52:57]

Juski:

willcooke: the power of BBC mode 2 will vaporise you :)

[19:53:11]

Yahooadam:

?

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Juski:

willcooke: about 2 big tins of food a day so far

[19:53:29]

** willcooke gets the bus back to earch. Juski has to walk **

[19:53:33]

willcooke:

earth

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Juski:

lol

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Yahooadam:

juski, any ideas when RT might fix their fuckup ?

[19:54:11]

Juski:

Yahooadam: what F U ?

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Juski:

hahaha you can actually see the title graphics being drawn.. musta been done in BASIC

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Yahooadam:

whats that on juski ?

[19:55:22]

willcooke:

Juski, 2 tins! Flipin' heck!

[19:55:44]

Juski:

willcooke: not howj tins. just regular sized ones

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Yahooadam:

juski – http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/122.dat: bad true/false value fadse at /usr/local/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 417.

[19:55:57]

willcooke:

even so – that's some good eats!

[19:56:03]

Juski:

he'sa big lad

[19:56:21]

willcooke:

:)

[19:56:28]

Juski:

Yahooadam: no idea. tend to take it just working (tm) for granted & don't worry if it stops for a few days

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Yahooadam:

except i just deleted my listings lol

[19:57:03]

Yahooadam:

trying to fix the problems i had been having with the programs table

[19:57:14]

Juski:

suddenly dawns on me that French guy nicked the ideas from The Adventure Game for The Crystal Maze !

[19:57:24]

Yahooadam:

and as an added bonus, my 30mb SQL backup cant be uploaded to anything cos its too big lol

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Dagmar:

There and a million other places.

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Juski:

Yahooadam: ?

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willcooke:

french guy? I thought it was Richard O'brien (?) who "thought" that idea up?

[19:58:02]

Juski:

willcooke: nah

[19:58:08]

Dagmar:

French Irish.

[19:58:15]

Dagmar:

They can't hold their wine.

[19:58:16]

Dibblah:

Yahooadam: ... Gmail.

[19:58:16]

CaptObviousman:

you could ftp it to your site and just tell the it guys where it is

[19:58:37]

CaptObviousman:

or hell do it yourself, read the man page for mysql

[19:59:00]

Dagmar:

The sword saint is a roundeye.

[19:59:09]

Juski:

Jacques Antoine was the guy who created xtal maze

[19:59:14]

Dagmar:

I just love that.

[19:59:35]

** willcooke remembers the piss-take "making a cup of tea game". **

[19:59:37]

Dibblah:

Yahooadam: Or, upload it to a P2P network with a far-out porn name. It'll _never_ get lost that way.

[19:59:48]

Yahooadam:

cant upload with winscp because its too big, cant upload with PHPmyadmin cos its too big

[19:59:50]

willcooke:

I can't see what I have to do.... Try putting the cup in the tea pot...

[20:00:17]

Juski:

time to watch some mythtv with Rory

[20:00:26]

willcooke:

cool name!

[20:00:26]

CaptObviousman:

why can't you upload with winscp again?

[20:00:35]

Juski:

willcooke: www.juski.co.uk/rory.jpg

[20:00:45]

willcooke:

I was just about to ask!!!!

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willcooke:

awwwhhhhhh

[20:01:16]

CaptObviousman:

who's the chick in the background?

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Yahooadam:

CaptObviousman – when i try to upload it

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Yahooadam:

i get "Network Error: Software caused connection abort"

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willcooke:

Juski, http://www.flickr.com/photos/willcooke/1438712205/

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Aval0n:

anyone in here use dishnet with 2 tuners on mythtv?

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awilkins:

Bah, I still can't see my MythTV box from my Vista machine in WMP... I don't suppose Vista Business has no PnP client....

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Yahooadam:

did u enable the UPnP service ?

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awilkins:

Yahooadam: UPnP is enabled, it can see the "MythTv AV Renderer"

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awilkins:

Yahooadam: But it isn't seeing the "MythTv AV MediaServer"

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awilkins:

Yahooadam: I checked the "Find media that others are sharing" box, and rebooted my mythbackend.

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awilkins:

Is there a setting on the backend to turn on the UPnP server?

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fryfrog:

awilkins: I think you have to enable at compile?

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directhex:

hm. looks like upnp support's xbox 360 compatibiolity needs work

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awilkins:

fryfrog: I can't find an option for it in the configure script.

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awilkins:

fryfrog: Are there any libraries it needs?

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fryfrog:

er, sorry that was the conclusion of my vast upnp knowledge and it turned out to be maybe wrong :)

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awilkins:

mythfrontend is reporting that it's a UPnP client succesfully

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directhex:

awilkins, are you using trunk?

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awilkins:

directhex: Yes

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awilkins:

14522

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directhex:

maybe something's changed since 0.20.2 in the upnp code then

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awilkins:

Let me guess "bonnet up" ?

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directhex:

i'd like to take a closer look at the upnp code

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awilkins:

Humph, there are specific notes in an earlier revision that they've fixed it up to work with Vista WMP

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Anduin:

awilkins: No libs, and unless the backend is run with --noupnp it should be enabled (don't think there is a setting yet)

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CDev:

awilkins: UPnP Support is enabled by default in the backend. And should work with vista's WMP.

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awilkins:

Anduin: Maybe it's a "feature" of Vista Business.

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directhex:

no, 0.20.2 works with vista business

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awilkins:

Well, I'm having trouble, alas

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CDev:

awilkins: is your MythTv box a combined frontend/backend?

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awilkins:

CDev: It is

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awilkins:

Ah, is it Vista going "That box is a Renderer, it can't possibly be a server too!"

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CDev:

There may be an issue with having 2 upnp devices sharing the same ip address.

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directhex:

cdev, it's your upnp code isn't it? or is my memory shot?

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CDev:

Yes... my code.

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awilkins:

CDev: So if I disable the UPnP in the frontend, it might resolve?

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** awilkins investigates **

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directhex:

cdev, turns out it's djmount that's buggered on amd64, not myth

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directhex:

cdev i got it working great in WMP, for recordings & music

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CDev:

If you're not recording anything right now, stopping the backend and re-starting it may allow wmp to detect it.

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awilkins:

I tried that

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CDev:

directhex: At least it wasn't me ! (still a hassle to track down :-( )

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CDev:

awkins: do you have the two ip addressing for the backend (set in mythtv-setup) set to an external address?

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awilkins:

Not sure

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directhex:

cdev, looks like there's some oddity in the xbox 360 hacks though – all my recordings are detected as music, so the "video" section is completely empty, and "music" contains recordings that won't play (since they're not music)

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directhex:

cdev, no idea why it shows up funny on the 360 but not on WMP

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CDev:

heh

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CDev:

a XBox 360 is one device I don't have... it's been hard to implement /reverse-engineer just by reading the internet. Testing is obviously imposible.

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Yahooadam:

coz microsoft couldnt implement a standard if the code was written for them ?

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CDev:

yep.

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directhex:

cdev, it won't be useful for actual recordings unless myth starts supporting on-the-fly transcoding. but it'd be nice for access to music

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** awilkins embraces MythTV. And extends..... **

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CDev:

Most of the 360 code in the upnp stack was supplied by another developer.

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directhex:

i should do a svn checkout & take a peek

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CDev:

directhex: True. I know xris is working on getting someone to implement on th fly transcoding for the flv player in mythweb

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CDev:

I was hoping to piggy-back on that code (when it's available)

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Yahooadam:

we all need to donate to the cdev 360 fund

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directhex:

a low-end 360 isn't too pricey

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directhex:

they were selling them off for Â£130 new at a local store that shut down

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Yahooadam:

Â£200 ish ... quite alot of money

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CDev:

directhex: If you do look at the code, feel free to ask me questions. I'm always on the #mythtv channel.

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Yahooadam:

oh right

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directhex:

Yahooadam, let's not forget that it has the best game selection of the current-get systems. it has other uses than for upnp!

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directhex:

s/get/gen

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directhex:

/

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laga:

especially the lovely red ring of death

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awilkins:

That redhead-chick-with-a-sword games looks good to me.. .but that's beacus I like redheads. Not enough to buy a PS3

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beata:

redheads++

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directhex:

laga, i said best game selection, not best reliability

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jammyd:

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bsdfox__:

how can I get user job #1 to run before transcoding jobs? (it removes commercials)

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fryfrog:

you could make 2 custom jobs, one that does the commercial removal then a second that does the transcode?

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bsdfox__:

hmm.. it used to do it that way but I changed some stuff and now it doesn't

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directhex:

CDev, can you suggest a reasonable reference on the upnp spec?

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Yahooadam:

directhex, "UPnP Spec" & "MS" = fail

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awilkins:

directhex: The UPnP website? It's an open standard AFAIK

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awilkins:

CDev: Putting in that IP address has done the trick, thanks very much.

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** Yahooadam loves IPCop **

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** awilkins is running OpenWRT **

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Yahooadam:

whats wrong with DD-WRT ?

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awilkins:

Dunno, I don't know it supports my hardware

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Yahooadam:

what box do u use ?

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awilkins:

Buffalo WRT-G54

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directhex:

which one's the one with a dodgy license?

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Yahooadam:

http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices

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awilkins:

DD-WRT?

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Yahooadam:

i dont know anything dodgy bout DD-WRT

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awilkins:

Is DD-WRT.com a site for it?

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awilkins:

The forum has talk about licenses

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Yahooadam:

?

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awilkins:

OpenWRT is GPL2

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fryfrog:

no, sveasoft

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awilkins:

Ah, sveasoft are the dodgy license guys, I remember

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fryfrog:

thats the one with the retarded conformation to GPL

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fryfrog:

not a dogy license

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Yahooadam:

awilkins – i cant see a "WRT-G54" – u sure thats right ?

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fryfrog:

they just don't really follow the *spirit* of the GPL

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fryfrog:

prolly WRT54G?

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Yahooadam:

no cos he said it was buffalo :s

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CDev:

directhex: I've mostly used the following as a upnp resource: http://www.upnp.org/standardizeddcps/default.asp

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fryfrog:

ah

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Yahooadam:

WRT54G is linksys

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fryfrog:

true

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Yahooadam:

i386 > linksys > buffalo

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Yahooadam:

:p

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awilkins:

Sorry, it's a buffalo WBR G54

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directhex:

erm, mediaserver 2.0 or 1.0?

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Yahooadam:

http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Yo . . . WLA-G54,_...

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CDev:

Right now, just 1.0. I'd like to eventually implement 2.0

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awilkins:

Yahooadam: I'm happy with OpenWRT, but thanks

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Yahooadam:

fair enough :)

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Yahooadam:

i dont think ive used openwrt, but ddwrt is very nice

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CDev:

directhex: Most of the detail of the upnp protocol, I had to sniff off the network.

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Yahooadam:

almost as good as IPCop, if i didnt use IPCop id use DDWrt

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directhex:

CDev, yeah, i was gonna ask if there was a sensible way to query a upnp server from a console. telnet but without doing all the http crap by hand, that sorta thing

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CDev:

directhex: If you have a windows box available (I assume you do since you've gotten wmp to work), you can use a set of tools from Intel to help out development/testing.

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directhex:

ooh, .net

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directhex:

i wonder if it's really unmanaged code – if it's managed, it should work on linux w/ mono

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CDev:

http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na . . . htm#anchor_3

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CDev:

The Intel upnp libraries used to be gpl (or something like it). The changed the lic to be much more restrictive. (one of the reasons I created the upnp stack in mythtv from scratch)

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directhex:

actually, this looks like a high possiblity of running in mono

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directhex:

everything but Device Sniffer should run

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directhex:

oh, or the renderers

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awilkins:

Hmm, that's half successful. Now the darn thing is just sitting there saying"Opening Media"

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awilkins:

Using the same link in mplayer works find

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awilkins:

*fine

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directhex:

awilkins, you mean in WMP? which codecs do you have installed for MPEG2TS and MPEG2/AC3?

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awilkins:

I installed the ones recommended on the website, the Haali splitter and the ffdshow (and enabled the MPEG2/AC3 codecs in the config apps)

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directhex:

hm. is your hard disk up to anything? it did a fair bit of caching for me

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awilkins:

directhex: Hmm, this is Vista, the hard disk is ALWAYS doing something

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** awilkins picks the shortest recording in the list **

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awilkins:

Maybe I need a reboot for these plugins to "take"

[21:22:53]

awilkins:

Oh, here it is

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awilkins:

Ok, the first frame

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awilkins:

When do we get the next one, WMP!!!!!

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awilkins:

It's transferring a lot across the network

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

vista, pissing you off, 1 frame at a time

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awilkins:

I'm not going to be able to use it if it insists on caching the whole thing first – waiting for 3GB to cross my wireless network takes about as long as the movie does....

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Yahooadam:

probably an option if thats what its doing

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awilkins:

Nope, WMP just had a heinous crash and died

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bsdfox__:

how can I get user job #1 to run before transcoding jobs? (it removes commercials)

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directhex:

CDev, well, it definitely looks like it's the xbox smoking crack – the intel tools think myth is categorising everything all nicely

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directhex:

CDev, it'd be lovely to get the level of debug output the intel tools provide on the myth machine. i'm crossing my fingers that some of it will run under Mono

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Yahooadam:

directhex, MS's implementation of "standards" is a joke

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directhex:

Yahooadam, especially standards they write!

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directhex:

Yahooadam, i don't deny their implementation is crap, but it'd be more than nice to wok around those problems for enhanced end-user experience

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Yahooadam:

but once you fudge standards for MS, other standards compliance devices break

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Yahooadam:

ala Internet Explorer

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directhex:

myth already "browser sniffs" for ms apps

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bsdfox__:

grr this is annoying me

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awilkins:

Gah, mplayer plays these UPnP links perfectly, WMP sucks

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bsdfox__:

I'm sure someone has mythtv setup to flag commercials, then remove commercials before the transcoder is run (remove commercials doesn't do anything after transcoding is done)

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laga:

bsdfox__: are you using an user job to do the transcoding?

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bsdfox__:

no

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bsdfox__:

I am using a user job to remove commercials though

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** CaptObviousman wonders how one could conveivably remove commercials without having to look at the video **

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CaptObviousman:

are there markers on either side you can key off of?

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awilkins:

CaptObviousman: Not as easy as that

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awilkins:

CaptObviousman: They used to put cue dots in programs, but you rarely see them anymore

[21:52:04]

CaptObviousman:

heh, I'm not surprised. People like us cut into their advertising revenue

[21:52:07]

Yahooadam:

commflag works out where the commercials are ...

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awilkins:

CaptObviousman: THey look for black frames some multiple of 30 seconds apart, you can do audio analysis (commercials have more audio compression)

[21:52:36]

GreyFoxx:

There are lots of detection methods you can enable

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awilkins:

CaptObviousman: Some channels have a logo that disappears during commercials, etc.

[21:52:51]

GreyFoxx:

some people have lots of louck (or better on some channels) and others don't

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CaptObviousman:

yeah, but are these methods Good Enough to fire-and-forget

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awilkins:

I personally like the "BBC" commercial detection – eliminates 100% of commercials all the time.

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: Many use them with auto skip to auto skip them, but I would never trust them enough to auto remove them from the file

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GreyFoxx:

CaptObviousman: I meant

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awilkins:

You can see the warfare though, I reckon that's why so many channels use video lead-ins instead of test cards now.

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awilkins:

Holding a fixed frame for a few seconds is just a dead giveaway

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CaptObviousman:

there again the "store more than you require" policy is staring me in the face

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directhex:

CDev, it works! intel tools run on linux w/ mono

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awilkins:

CaptObviousman: You cam mark them yourself

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CaptObviousman:

awilkins: yeah, that method would probably play hell with anime

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CaptObviousman:

as I understand it, you can flag programs for transcode and archive, correct?

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GreyFoxx:

most people who actually wanbt them removed load the autodetected commercial list into the myth editor

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GreyFoxx:

then manually correct it

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CaptObviousman:

or, wait, I think I asked that already, a few weeks ago

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awilkins:

This is so annoying, playback is perfect over the UPnP server, just not through WMP

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awilkins:

Cut'n'paste into mplayer

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** CaptObviousman needs christmas bonus to hurry up and get here already **

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bsdfox__:

so..

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bsdfox__:

2 days ago before I started messing with different transcoders and such, my files would be commercial flagged, then remove commercials, then transcoded. now they want to flag, transcode, then remove (which doesn't work)

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bsdfox__:

I've tried just about everything with no success.. anyone got some input?

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bsdfox__:

or can anyone tell me the default mythtranscode command line so I can just run it as a user job?

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Juski:

bah dvb-t2 for bbc hd? sucks :((

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defaultro:

good eeveing folks

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defaultro:

if on ebay seller, the guys says, The only from of payment accepted is a UNITED STATES POSTAL MONEY ORDER. he no longer accepts paypal. Should I be scared of this guy?

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bsdfox__:

you can cancel payment on a money order. he probably just doesn't want to pay the paypal fees anymore

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

i didn't know that

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defaultro:

i've never use money order

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defaultro:

is it safe for buyers?

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bsdfox__:

it'll cost you like 50 cents to get it

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defaultro:

that's fine with me

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defaultro:

but assuming i got the equipment and it doesn't work

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bsdfox__:

yeah I've bought stuff before. they come with a little receipt thing so you can cancel them

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defaultro:

i'm afraid because, before i get the equipment, he has already received my money order and encashed it

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defaultro:

that's how it works right?

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bsdfox__:

that's how paypal works too :P

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defaultro:

k

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bsdfox__:

if you're sketched out don't buy from him

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bsdfox__:

just look at his feedback..

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defaultro:

he's got a good feedback

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defaultro:

about 97

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bsdfox__:

I'd say you're pretty safe then

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defaultro:

so, even if he has encashed the money order, can we still cancel it assuming he advertise incorrectly?

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defaultro:

and the device isn't working?

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fryfrog:

i don't think you can cancel a money order

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directhex:

experience says he might still be dodgy

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fryfrog:

once he cashes it, he has the money

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defaultro:

oh

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fryfrog:

if you want to do what you say, you need to use escro or something with buyer protection like a credit card

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fryfrog:

i hate paypal, and distrust it... but their payment dispute *should* work

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defaultro:

k

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fryfrog:

you dispute it and it *ruins* him basically

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fryfrog:

you may not get your money back, but it *will* hurt his paypal account

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defaultro:

looks like i should not buy it because he doesn't offer paypal

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fryfrog:

might get him banned from ebay too :/

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defaultro:

oh

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fryfrog:

ah, yeah i wouldn't then

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fryfrog:

i hate ebay

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defaultro:

and didn't know that we can't get our money back

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fryfrog:

what are you buying?

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defaultro:

:) a legacy projector

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fryfrog:

defaultro: I could be wrong about getting money orders canceled, but I don't think so.

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fryfrog:

That is why people want money orders instead of personal checks

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defaultro:

ok

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fryfrog:

think of the flip side, *you* scamming him

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defaultro:

yep

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fryfrog:

send a bum check/money order, or cancel it after he sends you the goods

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

i'll get a bad ebay then

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CaptObviousman:

you could always make a new account

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defaultro:

:)

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CaptObviousman:

you see the problem

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defaultro:

yes

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bsdfox__:

you can't send a bum money order. but when he cashes it he has to show ID and shit and they record all that

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defaultro:

i've been lucky so far lately

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defaultro:

k

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fryfrog:

bsdfox__: you can easily send a bum money order

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bsdfox__:

no one can tell me how to remove commercials before transcoding?

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fryfrog:

its called forgery

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defaultro:

well, i'll do more search on ebay and i'll try to find something that i can pick up locally

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fryfrog:

bsdfox__: you'd need a custom job

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fryfrog:

defaultro: try craigslist

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fryfrog:

depending on what you are looking for, that is

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bsdfox__:

really? my setup was doing it just fine 2 days ago :P

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defaultro:

yes, i found one but the guy responded so slow

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defaultro:

i mean, responds so slow

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fryfrog:

bsdfox__: oh, sorry maybe i'm not sure what you are talking about

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Yahooadam:

paypal fees are a bitch

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Yahooadam:

but only accepting a MO is weird

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defaultro:

finally, when I told him I'm coming, he said, the machine isn't turning on. LOL

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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fryfrog:

doh :)

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defaultro:

exactly

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fryfrog:

offer him like 25% of his price, then fix it

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fryfrog:

assuming it was a PC

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defaultro:

then i asked him if I can buy it for $50

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defaultro:

that's 1/6

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defaultro:

:D

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bsdfox__:

fryfrog: it flags commercials as it records, then it transcodes, then it runs my user job #1 that removes commercials (but doens't work after it's transcoded)

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defaultro:

it's like 300

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defaultro:

we'll see tonight if he responds

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fryfrog:

bsdfox__: why don't you have 2 user jobs and *no* auto-transcode?

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fryfrog:

setup the 2nd user job as transcode

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bsdfox__:

I would like to if I could use my "medium" transcoder setting

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bsdfox__:

it's so much faster than an external program.. I can't get mencoder working with nuvexport.. can't get cutlists working without nuvexport

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braddbr:

hi, i'm trying to change the interlacing, etc but my mythfrontend doesn't have the playback menu.. any ideas?

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laga:

uh

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laga:

what distribution, braddbr?

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braddbr:

ubuntu

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laga:

where are you looking for that menu?

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braddbr:

under 'options' from the ain menu

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laga:

it's under "tv" -> "playback"

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braddbr:

ok, i'll go look

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braddbr:

heh, blind me.. thank you

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laga:

heh

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laga:

oddball :)

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savageone:

howdie folks

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savageone:

is there a way to do netflix streaming videos now w/ mythbox

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fryfrog:

no, and i honestly doubt there ever will be :)

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savageone:

too bad

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savageone:

I heard there were some plans for that

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defaultro:

fryfrog, looks like the guy is going to check if he can sell the pj for me for $50 :) but I will know tomorrow

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savageone:

I doubt it'll last long

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kdubya:

do i have to do something to enable mythweb

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kdubya:

the backend isnt running

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kdubya:

is*

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kdubya:

and http://localhost/mythweb is nothing

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Inssomniak:

what would cause a frontend freeze up of live TV and logs filling with "prebuffer wait timeout 10 times" be caused by, happens a few times a night

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kdubya:

sounds like it is taking too long to start writing the recording to your disk

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kdubya:

are you using a ir blaster with a sattelite dish or soemthing?

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billytwowilly:

isnt' it all crazy encrypted?

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billytwowilly:

gah. stupid not scrolling konversation..

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kdubya:

heh

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billytwowilly:

that was in reference to the streaming netflix to myth

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kdubya:

ive seen blog posts with instructions on how to save those

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kdubya:

so i bet it could be done

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billytwowilly:

probably easier to just fire up isohunt.com...

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savageone:

billy: fvrom what I hear

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savageone:

but it could be accomplished with a web browser

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savageone:

that was sort of slimed down to work w/ it

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billytwowilly:

hmm. I'm not that interested. More interested in myth and linuxmce.

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savageone:

I figured I'd ask

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savageone:

linuxmce? never heard of it

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billytwowilly:

linuxmce.com

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kdubya:

its some packaging of myth with some other crap added

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billytwowilly:

heh, basically.

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billytwowilly:

frontend appears nicer. It's basically just plutohome

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savageone:

I've used knoppmyth and mythdora

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savageone:

same thing?

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kdubya:

no

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kdubya:

different

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billytwowilly:

nope.

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savageone:

does it run mythtv tho?

[23:05:08]

savageone:

is it a fork rather then a distro?

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billytwowilly:

kind of.

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kdubya:

its nice that they added neat effects and stuff

[23:05:20]

kdubya:

but they really need to get an artist

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kdubya:

that crap is ugly

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savageone:

yeah

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savageone:

interface is key

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billytwowilly:

I'm not sure exactly what bits they use from mythfrontend, but they use the backend a lot.

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savageone:

I collect movies that I've downloaded, and whenever you look there's always an inteface screen shot w/ dvd title pics

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savageone:

where they getting that hehe

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savageone:

if you rip a dvd to it it should be like when you rip a dvd I think

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kdubya:

imdb

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kdubya:

there are scripts that rip imdb

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savageone:

so they call upon imdb just like cddb

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kdubya:

yeah

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savageone:

I'm going to be redoing my box

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savageone:

I was going to use mythdora

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savageone:

do you recommend I check this out or is it too new

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kdubya:

mythdora was nice

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kdubya:

i used it for a few months

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kdubya:

i wouldnt use it because its ugly

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kdubya:

linuxmce i mean

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kdubya:

mythdora looks like myth

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savageone:

yeah

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savageone:

nmythdora is teh same shit just easier to setup

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savageone:

for me

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kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

its a joke to setup

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savageone:

knoppmyth has me wholly unimpressed

[23:08:10]

kdubya:

but i deleted it all and reinstalled with fedora 7 because i hate life

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savageone:

their upgrade situation is retarded

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savageone:

and what's with the mp3 jukebox on myth

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billytwowilly:

kdubya: you don't like the almost hidden display from linuxmce? I thought that was the coolest part.

[23:08:22]

savageone:

is it useable now

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savageone:

it sucks so bad on the version I have, if I want to just =play a certain song it's like impossible

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kdubya:

ive never used it billytwowilly, i am just looking at the screenshots

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kdubya:

mythmusic is crap

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kdubya:

no one denies that

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billytwowilly:

kdubya: watch the movie. It's got a nice flow to it.

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savageone:

I just wish it wasn't

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savageone:

it'd be nice to get that working right

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savageone:

I think mythtv has a serious lack of leadership and organization going on in it's development

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kdubya:

you could just replace the link

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kdubya:

to anotehr music player

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kdubya:

and skin it to look like the myth theme you are using

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GreyFoxx:

savageone: how so ?

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savageone:

I suppose

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savageone:

but that's over my head

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kdubya:

well the skinning might be

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savageone:

I don't want to insult anyone grey, and I know you're involved

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kdubya:

but you cuold easily change the link

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savageone:

but at last I was chatting with one of the devlopers, I was given the impression that the heirarchy of who's in charge of what isn't as clearly defined as some other projects out there

[23:11:07]

savageone:

here's my point: some other projects that are out there are making big advancements in their interfaces, and in their feature set, and in responding to user requests

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savageone:

whereas imo mythtv has ENORMOUS potention

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savageone:

especially given the media momentum

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GreyFoxx:

savageone: Overall any of us work on anything we want. Some people are more focused and there is someone working on alot of mythmusic alterations

[23:11:25]

savageone:

all the magazines I've seen you in

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kdubya:

there are not that many developers and they work on the features they want to have

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savageone:

that's the thing

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kdubya:

i dont see what the problem with that is

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GreyFoxx:

Personally I find LinuxMCE kinda hideous

[23:11:45]

kdubya:

it is

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GreyFoxx:

But I like XBMC

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kdubya:

butt ugly

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savageone:

if it were more organized, and there were seperate teams and departments and delegation happening

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GreyFoxx:

savageone: This is not a job

[23:12:03]

savageone:

then mythtv wouldn't look and do essentially what it did 2 yuears ago

[23:12:06]

kdubya:

yeah, thats what people do at a job

[23:12:07]

kdubya:

asdf

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savageone:

it's virutally unchanged

[23:12:10]

savageone:

I know it's not a job

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savageone:

but the project is extremely commercially viable

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AndyCap:

savageone: if you want to tell somebody what they should do you better pay them

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GreyFoxx:

savageone: Maybe the obvious visual components (I agree) are relatively unchanged

[23:12:29]

savageone:

I'm just surprised someone hasn't taken the reins as a for profit effort

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billytwowilly:

anyone know what the goals were to hit 15 dollars for 6 months and 20 dollars a year at schedules direct?

[23:12:39]

GreyFoxx:

but internally and lowlevel features are quite different

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savageone:

andy: I do

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savageone:

I would pay for mythtv

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savageone:

anyone would

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kash:

i wouldn't

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savageone:

what we'd pay for is the support

[23:12:54]

kash:

:)

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billytwowilly:

savageone: someone has with linuxmce kind of. www.fiire.com

[23:13:01]

savageone:

it's not a new thing in open source

[23:13:03]

savageone:

look at zimbra

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savageone:

zimbra is having enormous success

[23:13:12]

savageone:

look at asterisk@home, now trixbox

[23:13:18]

savageone:

of course they got bought by a commercial company

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GreyFoxx:

And with stuff like multirec come in soon it's a major change, but there is no visual screen bling accompanying it

[23:13:30]

savageone:

all I'm saying is we're all about linux being better and open sourc being superior right?

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GreyFoxx:

no,

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savageone:

well then why aren't we focusing on proliferation

[23:13:45]

savageone:

really getting the technology outthere to the mainstram

[23:13:52]

savageone:

maybe setting up an online store that sells mythboxes

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savageone:

right from the developers

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AndyCap:

savageone: so what you suggest is mythtv goes commercial, gets bought by Msn TV. great.

[23:14:02]

billytwowilly:

there is an online store that sells myth boxes.

[23:14:04]

billytwowilly:

www.fiire.com

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GreyFoxx:

I prefer linux, and find opensource more desirable, but I wont be arrogant enough to call that "superior"

[23:14:06]

kdubya:

they are focusing on something they want to use man

[23:14:10]

savageone:

andy: nope, that's not what I suggest

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billytwowilly:

and I'm sure there are others that sell straight myth boxes too.

[23:14:26]

savageone:

there are several stores that sell mythboxes

[23:14:49]

savageone:

what I'm saying is the developer end of it, a lot of time could be put into development and it could still make money to support those doing the work

[23:15:02]

savageone:

it doesn't have to be a nobel thing wehre we do it for free for the goodness of human kind

[23:15:06]

billytwowilly:

so set up the company dude.

[23:15:09]

savageone:

we continue to give the software away

[23:15:13]

kdubya:

are those people installing with myth installed allowed to use SD?

[23:15:13]

billytwowilly:

stop talking and start working.

[23:15:19]

savageone:

but then offer "official versions"

[23:15:23]

kdubya:

i know that was the issue with zap2it

[23:15:30]

savageone:

billy: hey man, I'm sitting here at work taking a cig break talking to you people rofl

[23:15:31]

kdubya:

er

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GreyFoxx:

kdubya: The people selling are ot suppose to setup the SD stuff. The user buying I believe can

[23:15:39]

kdubya:

selling systems with myth installed

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savageone:

I own a tech support company so I'm sort of busy running this trying to pay my bills

[23:15:49]

kdubya:

i see

[23:15:55]

savageone:

but I'd be selling mythtv's by the hundreds if it weren't such a nightmare for me to support them

[23:15:59]

billytwowilly:

savageone: all I'm saying is it doesn't make sense to bitch about it if you aren't going to be instrumental in fixing it. Take some risk if you think you can make money with it.

[23:16:10]

savageone:

I'm not bitching

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savageone:

I'm trying to have a debate

[23:16:15]

kdubya:

haha

[23:16:18]

savageone:

making suggestions

[23:16:19]

billytwowilly:

sounds like you are.

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[23:16:25]

savageone:

bitching would be "man mythtv sucks"

[23:16:28]

savageone:

I'm complimenting you

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savageone:

in saying that mythtv is amazing and has enormous potential

[23:16:41]

billytwowilly:

You aren't complimenting me, I'm no dev.

[23:16:45]

billytwowilly:

I'm just a businessman.

[23:17:03]

savageone:

personally, I'd like to see a mythtv distro that's officially from the developers

[23:17:16]

savageone:

or have them elect an official one like mythdora and integrate with their team

[23:17:18]

billytwowilly:

why? So they can waste their time making a distro? I'd rather have them coding.

[23:17:25]

kdubya:

heh

[23:17:36]

billytwowilly:

I don't want to see more integration with one distro, I love that it's portable.

[23:17:38]

savageone:

and as far as me doing the work, he if you want me to join in at an organizational capacity I'd be more then happy

[23:17:43]

GreyFoxx:

savageone: Likely not gonna happen anytime soon. Few of us have any interest in that sort of thing, and few of us would use it as we often tend to be compile it yourselfers

[23:17:45]

savageone:

I'd consider it a ground level opportunity

[23:17:47]

savageone:

goulde@savageweb.net

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savageone:

let me know when and where the meeting is and I'm there

[23:17:53]

GreyFoxx:

though jams is working on something pretty neat

[23:18:07]

kdubya:

haha

[23:18:11]

billytwowilly:

savageone: if you want an organizational opportunity go talk to paul1 at linuxmce.com forums. That project needs something like that.

[23:18:34]

savageone:

grey: right now, mythtv is viewed by the developers as an awesome toy for geeks who can handle it. I would like to see it as an awesome toy for the masses that the geeks support and make a living on

[23:18:35]

kdubya:

i just want some animation in the UI

[23:18:39]

kdubya:

and ill make a theme

[23:18:48]

savageone:

haha

[23:18:55]

savageone:

they're a young project

[23:18:59]

kdubya:

why are all the decent themes blue anyway

[23:19:00]

savageone:

how long has mythtv been out?

[23:19:03]

kdubya:

blue sucks

[23:19:04]

GreyFoxx:

savageone: Supporting stuff to the general public sucks :)

[23:19:19]

savageone:

grey: tell me about it. but I make a bunch of loot doing it ;)

[23:19:24]

savageone:

12 years in brother

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billytwowilly:

mythtv has been out for a long time. I ran it back in first or second year university, so atleast 4–5 years ago.

[23:19:26]

GreyFoxx:

savageone: sometime after Aug 2002

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savageone:

there's all these half asses running "hardened" versions of it selling boxes

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savageone:

tenxnetworks has one coming out

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savageone:

it might be pretty popular they claim some big name is pusing it

[23:20:18]

savageone:

whether you like it or not eventually phillips or someone's gonna release a mythbox

[23:20:29]

directhex:

rockbox as an open-source project is closer to "ready for general population" than myth

[23:20:29]

billytwowilly:

*sigh*

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GreyFoxx:

so ? Why would be not like it ?

[23:20:44]

billytwowilly:

one of the big name guys already has in the form of software licenced from plutohome.

[23:20:58]

billytwowilly:

I can't remember who though.

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savageone:

wopw

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savageone:

this fiire shit looks amazing

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laga:

omg dude pass the acid

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billytwowilly:

and the software that plutohome uses is gpl'd, so some guy took it and made it more portable and turned it into linuxmce, which works on kubuntu.

[23:21:45]

billytwowilly:

savageone: yah, I know. Pricy though, it just came out like 2 months ago.

[23:21:57]

billytwowilly:

atleast the custom 1 inch box is pricy.

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GreyFoxx:

savageone: Cool I hope they do. Cause if it's a embedded type settop box I would get one to use it myself

[23:22:07]

billytwowilly:

I'll be buying it when it get's under 300 bucks CAD

[23:23:11]

billytwowilly:

GreyFoxx: www.fiire.com already has what you are looking for I think.

[23:23:35]

billytwowilly:

it's for linuxmce, but you just have to make a new network boot image with myth only if that's your thing.

[23:24:05]

directhex:

epia? ew :(

[23:24:26]

AndyCap:

I see fiire rebranded the gyration remote

[23:24:37]

savageone:

yeah

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savageone:

that looks fucking ill

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savageone:

it's epia based?

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savageone:

naooooooooooo

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laga:

the fiire website looks good, indeed

[23:24:51]

savageone:

toooooooo slooooooow

[23:25:10]

savageone:

I think it's just a joomla site

[23:25:12]

savageone:

honestly

[23:25:15]

billytwowilly:

it's a 1.5 ghz epia though.

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AndyCap:

mouse gestures. hm. wonder if gizmod does that for me

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bsdfox__:

anyone got an example userjob that just runs mythtranscode just like mythtv would on its own?

[23:26:03]

savageone:

the epia is just for the client not the main box

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bsdfox__:

mythtranscode --help doesn't show an option for -j which is what it seems to use :\

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directhex:

savageone, it still can't play anything more taxing an a dvd

[23:26:34]

billytwowilly:

savageone: I wouldn't buy their main box anyway.. just the clients. Cheaper to build your own

[23:26:37]

directhex:

*than* a dvd

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kdubya:

man

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kdubya:

these linuxmce people even got a british chick to talk you through the installation

[23:27:09]

kdubya:

and they still cant find someone to make a ui that doesnt look like ass

[23:27:24]

billytwowilly:

heh, I like the ui. It's very non-intrusive.

[23:27:32]

savageone:

fiire just gives dealers 10% off flat

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savageone:

but you gotta buy 2 firtst

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kdubya:

the damn text doesnt even line up with the buttons

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billytwowilly:

savageone: where'd you see that?

[23:27:53]

kdubya:

and everything is perfectly square with a gradient on it

[23:27:59]

directhex:

let's say it clearly: linuxmce is a pet project which is underfeatured and overcomplex unless you have a full-house x10 setup

[23:28:11]

directhex:

at which point you should have bought a support contract from someone like pluto anyway

[23:28:26]

kdubya:

haha

[23:28:33]

kdubya:

when you switch back to the menu it flashes the desktop?

[23:28:48]

savageone:

http://fiire.com/dealer_explained.php

[23:28:50]

directhex:

mythfrontend is fat and ugly, but no bugger wants to step up & give it the thorough bleaching it needs

[23:29:07]

savageone:

what's pluto do now?

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kdubya:

mythfrontend at least can be themed easily

[23:29:17]

kdubya:

so it doesnt look like crap

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directhex:

epias suck, myth still requires too much "unixing" during config for the average joe, and microsoft excel can't add up

[23:29:53]

directhex:

and george bush is bad, and so are drugs, mmkay

[23:30:19]

kdubya:

that all directhex?

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billytwowilly:

kdubya: I don't know how the linuxmce frontend is themed, but it is probably straightforward.

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directhex:

kdubya, the theming is weak compared to other apps though – there's no true support for anything beyond static images. menu fades are a filthy hack, animations are a flipbook of bitmaps

[23:31:09]

directhex:

kdubya, almost. don't get me started on the lack of good mexican restaurants in the area

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kdubya:

static images at least are not ugly

[23:31:16]

kdubya:

heh

[23:31:28]

kdubya:

i live in texas

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kdubya:

fajitas three times a week

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kdubya:

tex mex, screw anyone that tries to be authentic mexican

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directhex:

and myth continually screws up on fitting text into text boxes – either cropping horizontally (rather than any kind of scroll or view all option), or even worse, vertically in come cases

[23:32:10]

directhex:

which isn't cool, and doesn't help the theming cause

[23:32:19]

kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

true true

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directhex:

it's easy to point at an open source project and say "this could be commercial if $foo". sometimes $foo seems simple. but some bugger has to code it, and that still doesn't neccessarily reflect market realities

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laga:

would be cool if the settings UI was overscan safe

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savageone:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829

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savageone:

dude

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savageone:

linuxmce looks ill

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kdubya:

how often do you use the settings UI?

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AndyCap:

kdubya: not as often as I should. :P

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kdubya:

vnc to do setup if you have a little crt tv

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kdubya:

savageone, that looks like complete crap

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directhex:

kdubya, explain that to the average joe

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kdubya:

im watching it now

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kdubya:

huh?

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kdubya:

im not the one saying the average joe should use myth

[23:36:18]

kdubya:

if everyone had it it wouldnt be cool anymore

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savageone:

I dunno

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kdubya:

and we all know that is the real reason we use it

[23:36:26]

kdubya:

heh

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savageone:

the installation process looks tit

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savageone:

got a chick talking to you and stuff

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kdubya:

the chick talking

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kdubya:

with 2000 buttons

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kdubya:

all square with a gradient in them

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savageone:

hehe

[23:37:10]

savageone:

it's still new they'll probably make leaps and bounds soon

[23:37:21]

savageone:

I'm in the process of speaking with fiire about doing a rebranded version

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laga:

what's wrong with gradients. UIs i designe tend to be mostly black

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savageone:

how about SavageTV

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savageone:

roflmao

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billytwowilly:

they've already made some leaps and bounds. The original release sucked. 0704 isn't too bad, fairly easy to install. It's not all new though, It just heavily integrates a bunch of programs already out there.

[23:38:17]

kdubya:

anyone used that appletv looking UI

[23:38:23]

kdubya:

there are screenshots of it on the wiki

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kdubya:

but i cannot find where to download it

[23:39:19]

kdubya:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Pe . . . ideFinal.jpg

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directhex:

let's be honest, most open source geeks are terrible at UI design

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kdubya:

yeah

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kdubya:

most people suck at it

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directhex:

and one thing that drives me up the wall is open-source games written by people saying "i last played a game when pac-man was new but..."

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kdubya:

i work for a software company that makes engineering software

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kdubya:

but im a user of the software not a developer

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kdubya:

i want to kill those idiots in my office

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directhex:

open source games are, by and large, terrible. there are too many engines, and not enough content developers

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kdubya:

no one knows where to get that theme?

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kdubya:

oh crap you can download themes from the wiki

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directhex:

actually, what the open-source user experience needs more than anything else is to snatch the enthusiastic artists who work on other things – e.g. people on deviantart, game mod developers, and so on

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kdubya:

nevermind me

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kdubya:

have you seen most game mods?

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kdubya:

if the kids can do anything half decent they get a real job and dont work on mods

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directhex:

the standards are infinitely higher than in open-source projects

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AndyCap:

http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=336106

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kdubya:

i made some stuff for a warcraft III mod

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kdubya:

and i want to make a myth theme but i want animations

[23:45:24]

kdubya:

someone get on that already

[23:45:46]

kdubya:

thank you, AndyCap

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laga:

kdubya: there are some basic animations

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directhex:

kdubya, there are flipbooks

[23:47:35]

kdubya:

can you flipbook the backgriund?

[23:47:56]

kdubya:

ive seen some animations in that one theme with the goofy little dude

[23:48:06]

kdubya:

whats the mess called

[23:48:12]

kdubya:

mepo

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laga:

mepo

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directhex:

mepo-wide

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laga:

dunno about background, though

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kdubya:

how do they flip

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kdubya:

can you use animated pngs?

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GreyFoxx:

kdubya: They do it like a flipbook. many images each showing a seperate frame

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kdubya:

yeah im looking in the mepo stuff right now

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directhex:

animated pngs would be a nice approach. ten pngs numbered sequentially is not

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

why is it hard to allow mng's or apng's?

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laga:

because nobody has written a patch yet

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kdubya:

i dont know a lot about programming

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kdubya:

but dont you just load a library to allow file formats

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