Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, September 19th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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fryfrog:

well, if it comes up with a spare, shouldn't it start rebuilding?

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Dibblah:

WhiteNoise: Really silly question. You do have 11 drives, right?

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|Torg|:

IDe from hell

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Dibblah:

Ah. Right.

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Dibblah:

Double check they're attached where you think they are.

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fryfrog:

yeah, how did you get so high?

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WhiteNoise:

1x20 6x120 and 3x250

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Dibblah:

fdisk -l /dev/blah

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fryfrog:

ah

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The_Vogateer:

Hello all, anyone familiar with "disk out of space" issues when you appear to have a good amount of space left (160 GB)?

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tjcarter:

ELEVEN DRIVES!?

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WhiteNoise:

currently im playing with the 3x250 i,j,k

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fryfrog:

could one of the partitions you created not be the right size?

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tjcarter:

Sweet crap!

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Yahooadam:

i can fit 12 in my server :p

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fryfrog:

I've got 8 in mine, ready to go up to 10

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Dibblah:

tjcarter: I have 16.

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tjcarter:

In one box?

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fryfrog:

krikey, 16s a lot :)

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Dibblah:

... Over 2 boxes, of course.

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Yahooadam:

12 with a 120mm fan infront, and another 2 without fan cooling

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|Torg|:

yes but thats 11 IDE drives

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fryfrog:

yar, in one box for me

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|Torg|:

I have 8 in mine

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tjcarter:

How many megawatt-hours do you pay for? =p

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fryfrog:

Dibblah: bah, that do-be cheatin!

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Dibblah:

That do be backup.

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Yahooadam:

tjcarter – dont ask :p

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Dibblah:

tjcarter: 1 every 4 years.

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WhiteNoise:

i have a 5$ cooling fan from wallmart, pointed at my open case :)

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WhiteNoise:

fryfrog they're all exactly 2500056.74

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WhiteNoise:

errr -0

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tjcarter:

At this point you can replace those 11 drives with like 6 and save time, money, and air conditioning costs.

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WhiteNoise:

yeah,but i can afford 3$ a month in power. i cant afford to replace them all at the same time

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WhiteNoise:

im just gonna nuke this box and start over

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Yahooadam:

:)

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Yahooadam:

who needs air conditioning :p

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WhiteNoise:

i live in seattle.. only the wealthy get air conditioning here :)

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beata:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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Yahooadam:

still cant get lirc to send IR presses right

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Yahooadam:

agh

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Yahooadam:

my screensaver comes on when mythtv is playing

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Anduin:

Yahooadam: gnome?

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Yahooadam:

yes

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Anduin:

yeah it only disables xscreensaver/DPMS currently

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Yahooadam:

UGH

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Anduin:

Yahooadam: Using svn?

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Yahooadam:

nope

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beata:

gr

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Yahooadam:

how does commflag see commecials ?

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: you mean, the method it uses to estimate what is a commerical and what is not ?

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BULLE:

i have no idea, i guess the best bet is to look at the source

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iamben:

http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/how-commercial-flagging-works.html

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BULLE:

iamben: oh , thanks

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BULLE:

iamben: sweet, you could improve the performance quite a bit by just grouping several recordings of tv shows etc, as commericals follow the same pattern generaly

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iamben:

it was on slashdot a few weeks ago, its actually what made me get back into mythtv again, piqued my interest

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BULLE:

hmmm, now i got a bit intrested at looking at that code, just to see what how they setup their scoring criteria

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iamben:

it can be a lot faster if you know you only need one detection method

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Yahooadam:

thats quite kewl, thanks for the link :)

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iamben:

ie, if you KNOW your show will have a network logo & can use that, you can just force that method

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BULLE:

ye

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BULLE:

but im more into the bayesian type of thing they talk about on the wiki

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BULLE:

pool lots of observations, eg recordings of the same tvseries

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BULLE:

let the user manualy correct comflagging

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BULLE:

and the system learns

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BULLE:

it would be good, for tv series

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iamben:

sounds complicated, over my head

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iamben:

but if you implement it, ill be sure to report bugs as they come along =)

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Yahooadam:

i wish mythtv could detect if the channel changes

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tjcarter:

I wish it could check if the box was turned off somehow =p

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Yahooadam:

it cant ?

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Yahooadam:

zomg

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Yahooadam:

that was 1 thing that REALLY pissed me off with MCE

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Yahooadam:

it tells you that there is no tv source

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Yahooadam:

but it doesnt try to turn it on

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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Yahooadam:

the best i can come up with is to send the channel change twice

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Yahooadam:

if 1 fails, the other should work

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Yahooadam:

ugh

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Yahooadam:

remote doesnt bring the screen out of screensaver

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GreyFoxx:

disable the screensaver ?

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iamben:

whats a screensaver grandpa?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Slyboots:

People actuly use screen-savers still?

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Yahooadam:

and if u have a plasma ?

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Slyboots:

Turn the bloody thing off?

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Slyboots:

Ever heard of Global warming? :P

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majost:

So every five minutes, my backend does a rescheduling request

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Yahooadam:

and if u forget ?

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majost:

and I am not sure why

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Slyboots:

Then your a idiot

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iamben:

i do have a CRT for myth, but if its on long enough to worry about a screensaver, im worried about power usage and just make it go off or standby

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majost:

2007-09–18 17:37:01.585 Reschedule requested for id -1.

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majost:

I get those messages every five minutes

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GreyFoxx:

majost: normally that would be a slave backend joining

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iamben:

do any tvs support power saving modes like dpms standby? or only monitors?

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GreyFoxx:

got a slave that is going on and off line ?

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iamben:

im too poor to have a good tv so i dont know

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jafa:

always wondered why my dlp projector has a screen saver – black screen! (bulb still at full brightness)

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majost:

GreyFoxx: Negative.

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Yahooadam:

jafa – lol

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Yahooadam:

i dont really get screensavers either tbh

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Yahooadam:

its like, hmm my screen is ready in 1 second vs 3

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Yahooadam:

oh noes

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Yahooadam:

just turn off :p

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Slyboots:

Indeed, One planet and whatnot

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iamben:

do any regular tvs have an autostandby when signal is lost? like a computer monitor?

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Slyboots:

I aint going down the crapper because you could not wait 2 seconds ;P

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Slyboots:

iamben: Some do, but they tend to go into standby

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majost:

GreyFoxx: However, it probably should be noted that I have been having issues with my EIT data

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Slyboots:

which.. is not much better than leaving it on realy

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majost:

the eit_cache table was corrupted somehow and I had to fix that today

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majost:

huh

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

that's like it then

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GreyFoxx:

EIT data constantly altering your program tables and requesting a resched incase a show you want has changed/is on

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majost:

so that is normal?

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majost:

Just spooks me out a bit because the system and disk load spikes so heavily when that happens. heh

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majost:

my connection keeps dropping

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majost:

sorry

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majost:

or it seems to be

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IamEthos:

has anyone heard of a PDA/network remote control setup with myth?

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majost:

yeah

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majost:

Though its kinda clunky in my humble opinion

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IamEthos:

majost, something like that exists?

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majost:

PDAs you can usually just get some software and use them like a programmable remote

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iamben:

typing out the words for imho is kinda klunky imho

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majost:

however the IR is usually not very strong in most PDAs and its tough to use

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majost:

hehe

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** majost shrugs **

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majost:

there is a plugin for myth for a web remote

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IamEthos:

majost, sure. I was thinking of a network interface using a PDAs wifi connection

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IamEthos:

so the web interface would have to be something capable of being run from a PDA screen

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IamEthos:

I imagine it could be done fairly easily with a simple PHP application

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majost:

*nod*

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majost:

actually

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IamEthos:

I don't know if any of the current web interfaces are designed with pdas in mind

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majost:

the work is allready done for you

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majost:

Please click through for the vertical remote control.

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majost:

Or click through for the horizontal remote control.

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majost:

There is now an initial PDA version of the layout

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majost:

thats my /remote on my mythbox

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majost:

=)

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IamEthos:

coolo

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IamEthos:

*cool

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majost:

is there a bad netsplit or something

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majost:

I think its just you and I on this leaf

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tjcarter:

..

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iamben:

im still here, but speechless!

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majost:

heh

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majost:

Just never been in here when its so quiet

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tjcarter:

you two and 200+ others

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iamben:

usually i'd be saying something, but i didnt break anything today

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iamben:

anyone use gentoo's mythtv svn ebuilds?

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beata:

ping

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majost:

hehe

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Kritter:

only thing broken here is odd mythdvd behavour.

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Kritter:

just stops after watching 2/3 of the program.

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jhulst:

I have a mythbackend job that seems to be stuck, is there any way to force it to stop? Restarting the backend didn't seem to do it

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fryfrog:

edit the db and remove its entry

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jhulst:

Is there a page that has the schema on it?

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jhulst:

never mind, I found it

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bsdfox\:

hmm how do I convert an lirc config I made with irrecord to something that mythtv will recognize?

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tcpsyn:

Has anyone been sucessful in streaming hd content to the ps3?

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jams:

works here

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IamEthos:

does anyone have any experiene setting up a USB IR Blaster

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bsdfox\:

all of my lirc buttons are received twice in mythtv.. anyone got ideas how to fix this behavior? I tried messing with the repeat setting but it doesn't help

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tcpsyn:

jams, the audio plays back?

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jams:

last time i checked it worked. Have not tried in a while

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jams:

in other words i don't use it all that much

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tcpsyn:

So far it seems like it's a known issue that it will only playback audio on mpeg2-ps files.

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tcpsyn:

mpeg2-ts will play, but with no audio

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tcpsyn:

and if I convert them in myth, they don't play at all

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jams:

i would try real quick, but that requires finding a network cable

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Ashlar^:

bsdfox\: does irw show two presses per button, or just one?

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tcpsyn:

no wifi?

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RyeBrye:

what kind of recordings does timestretch work on?

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ol_schoola:

tcpsyn: kinda optimistic, eh?

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Led-Hed:

Which is an easier Backend to Maintain Ubuntu or MythDora?

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ol_schoola:

(HD) + (test something) usually = (wired nw)

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Led-Hed:

I have been running on FC4 for the past 2–3 years but I lost my Guide Data and need to upgrade and ATRPMS doesnt support FC4 anymore :(

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RyeBrye:

I haven't used either MythDora or Ubuntu

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ol_schoola:

oh wait, streaming, i see

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RyeBrye:

I use FC7 and don't use ATRPMS

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Led-Hed:

RyeBrye, what do you use?

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RyeBrye:

Or sorry "F7"

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ol_schoola:

tried to make a funny and it bombed

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Led-Hed:

RyeBrye, you compile your own?

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RyeBrye:

I build from source, and I build all my dependencies – yeah

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Led-Hed:

thats a lotta work

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RyeBrye:

It was my goal this go-round to avoid using ATRPMs

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RyeBrye:

It's not all that bad, yum actually has most of the stuff in it

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Led-Hed:

same here

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Ashlar^:

honestly, once it gets going and is stable, there's not much 'maintenance' if it's behind a firewall and does what you need

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Led-Hed:

RyeBrye, so what did you end up compiling?

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RyeBrye:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Fedora_Core

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ol_schoola:

Ashlar^: true, unless you let it EOL like i did with f5

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Led-Hed:

Ashlar^, agreed, I was on FC4 for almost 3 years.

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RyeBrye:

Led-Hed – To be honest I can't remember

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Led-Hed:

lol

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Led-Hed:

I think I'm gonna give Ubuntu a try, they have nice packages

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ol_schoola:

i scrambled like hell to bump up to f7 and sort out some retarded nvidia problems

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Ashlar^:

well, yah.. ditto here.. knoppmyth r5, 0.18.. but I just compiled new version of myth.. maintenance every 2 years works for me :)

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RyeBrye:

Led-Hed – my process went like this: download the svn trunk, run configure and see what it says I am missing to compile the modules I want... install that.. move on

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ol_schoola:

RyeBrye: that IS a way of doing it. how i learned when forced to not only build source built patcha kernel

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Led-Hed:

Ubuntu has a LTS (Long Term Support) version, I wonder if Myth is one of those LTS Packages

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ol_schoola:

CENTOS4 and 5 have pretty reliable myth packaging at ATRPMS

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RyeBrye:

mythTV on CentOS?

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RyeBrye:

that's strange.

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Led-Hed:

why?

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RyeBrye:

Just never heard of anyone donig it

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Led-Hed:

Its just RHEL

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RyeBrye:

Well... minus the pretty stuff

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Led-Hed:

ya

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RyeBrye:

no up2date etc

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ol_schoola:

Axel still hasn't finished his move to Athens yet so the atrpms-list is hopping

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ol_schoola:

centos is rhel minus the branding

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Led-Hed:

Ubuntu 6.06 LTS is supported till 2011

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RyeBrye:

I would consider a certified stack and up2date more than just branding... but yeah – it's very very close

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ol_schoola:

2012 for cent4?

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Led-Hed:

I assume that means they will maintain packages for it till then

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Ashlar^:

even with EOL, compiling from source may be a viable alternative for quite a while after that

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jhulst:

I can't schedule recordings with myth, it doesn't save it, I can select it through mythweb but then we I leave the page it doesn't save it, the logs for mythbackend and mythfrontend show nothing except for a message that adding as a client

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ol_schoola:

RyeBrye: picking nits? yeah, theres more to it, but basically the same

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Led-Hed:

man I wish I had Verison Fiber right now

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Kritter:

I'm suspecting dvd playback can't handle dual layer, how insane is that idea?

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ol_schoola:

Ashlar^: both methods have their merits. i had more time in the FC1–3 days and cut my teeth on admining and compiling

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ol_schoola:

Ashlar^: moved homes 2 years ago and enjoyed fc5 and packages at 20-fixes simnce then

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bsdfox\:

Ashlar^: irw shows two key presses

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Led-Hed:

I think I'm gonna Pull the OS Drive from my backend and swap it with another and try Ubuntu. If it goes badly then I can always swap back the FC4 and Build from source

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ol_schoola:

but i miss living off the source. just built myth for the first time in over two years sunday. worked on the first try

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Ashlar^:

bsdfox\: then it's your lircd.conf.. was thinking you might have been running irxevent.. did you record the config yourself, or use one pre-made?

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bsdfox\:

Ashlar^: it's always exactly two

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RyeBrye:

Anyone use Timestrech on recordings that come in from a Hauppauge PVR series card? I get a message "1: Unknown MP2 2Ch" when I try to do it

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bsdfox\:

I made it myself.. three different times

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dennister:

g'evning folks...is there any alternative to schedulesdirect yet?

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Ashlar^:

bsdfox\: tried one from lirc.org?

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bsdfox\:

I have two frontends in my house with different remotes, one of them works fine but the other does the double event

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Led-Hed:

RyeBrye, I have done it before with out problem. But I'm using old IVTV Drivers.

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ol_schoola:

RyeBrye: pvr-350, no problems here

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bsdfox\:

Ashlar^: not yet

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bsdfox\:

the remote says "RCA" and that's it :P

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RyeBrye:

hmm... wonder wtf my problem is... I've never used it before but I figured i twould be cool to try – but it isn't working on my linux FE nor on my Mac FE

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Led-Hed:

anyone here know Bierdos site. He use to have a nice "MythTV Upgrade" HowTo

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Ashlar^:

bsdfox\: ahh.. lol.. hate those. I picked up one of the radio shack ones before they were discontinued

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ol_schoola:

RyeBrye: latest everything here

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RyeBrye:

SVN trunk?

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ol_schoola:

20.2 fixes

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RyeBrye:

Hm. If i had a 20.2 fixes BE I would try that to see if it was a problem that came about in trunk of it is in my recordings

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ol_schoola:

you need me to try trunk? my BE is still on packages — dorked up build deps stopped me last night

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RyeBrye:

it's ok. no big deal

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ol_schoola:

err, BE is still on 20.2 pkgs and i don't think i should bother trying axel's bleeding builds either

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RyeBrye:

yeah, trunk wont play with 20.2 fixed BE

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ol_schoola:

it's high on my list of to do's tho, just not tonight

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RyeBrye:

the protocols have changed

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RyeBrye:

I've also had problems where my recordings wont transcode and nuvexport pukes on them... I think my mpeg streams are full of garbage

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RyeBrye:

they play back just fine – but some things dont' like them

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dennister:

any alternative to schedulesdirect yet? i was thinking about joining, but now find out that winblows mce is still getting the data, and TIVO users are being invited to get the data for free from the zap2itlabs site...now i'm really ticked off at the discriminatory treatment mythtv users are receivinig, and feel resentful at the idea of part of my SD fee going to pay TMS a fee

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RyeBrye:

TiVo getting guide data for free?

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RyeBrye:

WTF?

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ol_schoola:

you must be joking. tell me this is a joke

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GreyFoxx:

if they are getting it "Free" tivo is paying something on their behalf

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GreyFoxx:

dennister: There are a couple scapers out there, I can't comment on how well they work. Most people don't sea to want to bother with them

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dennister:

check it out...it's very blatant invitation on the zap2it site

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ol_schoola:

<cough> troll </cough>

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RyeBrye:

dennister – you mean : http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCAlp.do ?

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dennister:

call me a reactionary then...i was all set to go to a lot of trouble to become a SD member, but now...

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ol_schoola:

dennister: a lot of trouble? are you f#$ing kidding me?

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Ashlar^:

man I feel silly.. I recently upgraded from 0.18 to 0.20.2 to get SD support, and in so doing, I screwed up my timezone.. got my timezone fixed (tzconfig / date show correct CDT TZ).. tried mythfilldatabase --refresh-all, and even trunc'd the table. Still 5 hours off.. is there a new tz setting in myth that I haven't found yet?

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ol_schoola:

you run mythtv and you call the additional steps for SD trouble?

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RyeBrye:

dennister – I don't htink they are getting their guide data for free... you have to have both a zap2it account and a Tivo account

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dennister:

RyeBrye: yes, that's the site

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HReadren:

That would be to be able to remotely schedule recordings. NOT to provide "free" guide data for Tivo.

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mahmoud:

hello

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RyeBrye:

dennister – they are just saying you can basically use Zap2it's website (not the labs site) to schedule crap online... much like oyu can with MythWeb – only with Zap2it's site you have some marketing bot harvesting your data as you do it

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HReadren:

You *ALWAYS* pay for guide data through your monthly service fee. Or lifetime subscription, which they now stopped.

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mahmoud:

anyone can help a newbie to use my TechniSat Skystar 2 card plz ?

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dennister:

oh, ok, i understand about the tivo now...but i'm still getting the data on my mce drive

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RyeBrye:

dennister – yeah. You paid for that data when you bought MCE

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RyeBrye:

unless you pirated MCE – in which case you will pay for it when you rot in hell

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RyeBrye:

;)

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RyeBrye:

Microsoft pays for that data and gives it to their boxes

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** ol_schoola shakes head in disbelief **

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dennister:

heheheh...nope, i bought mce just b4 the wga-notify hell made me a linux convert

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RyeBrye:

yeah, the microsoft tax pays for guide data on MCE machines

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dennister:

i actually checked out my winblows drive for the 1st time in 6 months today

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RyeBrye:

I suppose you could hire a team of secretaries to scroll through the guide data on the MCE machine and manually type in entries into a Myth database

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RyeBrye:

but I think it would be cheaper to just pay the money to SD

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ol_schoola:

RyeBrye: team of secretaies .... you just described TMS manufacturing department

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RyeBrye:

yep, that's basically it

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dennister:

well, like i said, i was ready to go through the trouble (have to go get a temp credit card, then the paypal account, then the SD registration) and pay the fee, as I realize servers cost $, but finding out that TMS would be financially rewarded for cutting us off gave me pause

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RyeBrye:

although they may have outsourced to a zoo and got the monkeys cheap

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RyeBrye:

dennister – the would always be financially rewarded for cutting us off

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RyeBrye:

unless we decided to stop watching TV

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RyeBrye:

'cause they own the data

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ol_schoola:

in a previous life i consulted to multichannel, specifically – local avails traffic and billing with insertion integration

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Aval0n-:

guys how is libXvMC.so.1 in comparison to libXvMCNVIDIA.dynamic.so.1?

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HReadren:

dennister — you don't need a paypal account.

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HReadren:

They are just the credit card processor. Don't know if you know that. Check out the FAQ on SchedulesDirect.org

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dennister:

HReadren: no? that's changed since last I say the FAQ...and I just revisited it, too

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HReadren:

Here's the text:

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ol_schoola:

dennister: you can click on a "pay without registering" link and go about your normal business as would elsewhere

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HReadren:

Why are you using PayPal?

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HReadren:

PayPal offers an API that our developers are familiar with, which was necessary because of the short time frame the Schedules Direct project was given to implement a solution. Schedules Direct will not store your credit card information – we don't even see it. You do not need a PayPal account to subscribe to the Schedules Direct service – PayPal will be performing Credit Card processing on our behalf. We are also investigati

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HReadren:

ng other payment processors at this time.

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ol_schoola:

dennister: i forget what the link actually is but you get the idea

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HReadren:

If you are concerend, most major credit card companies also let you create "one time credit card numbers".

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kslater:

ping |Torg|

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HReadren:

I use that for most web purchases, though, of course, you are at FAR greater risk giving your CC to a waiter at the restaurant.

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ol_schoola:

RyeBrye: the schedule accuracy requirements for local ad insertion in certain DMAs was so high that one fulltime employee of the Philla office was required to mine and aggregate everything from TMS, Gemstar and a couple of others back in the day '97–98

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ol_schoola:

\

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dennister:

k...looked for the link and I can't find it...will have to think about this some more and look harder...and that 'temp credit card' i was considering was that gift-card type

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RyeBrye:

ol_schoola – that's crazy

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dennister:

that doesn't solve my issue about not wanting TMS to get another fee out of me, tho :)

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dennister:

seeing as how they apparently already have one on my behalf from microshaft

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ol_schoola:

dennister: buyer beware, but you know that now that you've joined the light side

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dennister:

perhaps i will stop watching tv...and just download instead...at least the downloads don't have the commercials (like my mythtv)

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ol_schoola:

alright, i'm done with you troll

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dennister:

serve the buggers right :)...they want to punish open source folks? I'll punish them by denying them and my crappy cable provider from more of my $...lol...save lots of $ that way

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dennister:

ol_schoola_goneb: yes, it's been a real eye-opener since i discovered linux

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RyeBrye:

yeah, that's one option

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GreyFoxx:

they were not punishing FOSS people

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Kritter:

not being able to watch buffy cause the dvd just stops is annoying.

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GreyFoxx:

like it or not the servers, maintenance, support and bw costs them money

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GreyFoxx:

lots of it

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GreyFoxx:

we should all be grateful we had such a nice free service as long as we did

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sad the free option went away

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GreyFoxx:

but I don't see them as devils fscking us over

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RyeBrye:

My wife is to

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RyeBrye:

o

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GreyFoxx:

but considering it's costing me like 0.08 a day to pay for listings, I'm not overly concerned

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: I wonder if I can build MythFrontend for iPhone ;)

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Ashlar^:

GreyFoxx, ditto

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tjcarter:

<-- sick, sick sick sic

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – with a lot of work, I'm sure you could get something on there

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dennister:

GreyFoxx: ur right, u know...i guess those secretaries' jobs have to be paid for somehow, too

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – but you might end up rewriting almost all of it from scratch

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tjcarter:

probably

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dennister:

thank you GreyFoxx...i was looking for another perspective so I could reconcile paying $ to keep life simpler for me...being a reactionary isn't that much fun actually :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

sign up! the more that sign up the cheaper it gets for all of us :)

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RyeBrye:

Yes

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dennister:

now if only we could get some better TV content...lol...i hardly watch any tv actually cause of all the rap...like reality shows

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RyeBrye:

If infinite users sign up, it will be free!

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xris:

and use real contact info... it means less work for me tracking down and closing accounts in violation of the SA.

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RyeBrye:

(or an infinitely small amount of money)

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dennister:

xris: u work for SD?

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xris:

RyeBrye: unfortunately, the formula doesn't work that way....

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tcpsyn:

all of my SD channels look like crap

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tcpsyn:

worse than they should

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xris:

dennister: no one works for SD.. but I'm on the board of directors, yes.

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RyeBrye:

xris – if an infinite amount of users signed up, and each payed an infinitely small (but nonzero) sum of money – it would add up to an infinite amount of money for SD

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dennister:

ahhhhh...so i came to the right place for my questions, i guess

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RyeBrye:

so you'd be rolling in the dough :)

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xris:

RyeBrye: THAT is probably true.. :)

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** RyeBrye took too many calculus classes **

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dennister:

sorry, in canada (2nd largest nonprofit community in the world) all nonprofits have employees

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xris:

we have a long way to go until that point, though... and would need to infinitely increase the population of this planet, which would have bad side effects.

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RyeBrye:

true

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RyeBrye:

and by that point, MythTV will hit the 1.0 release

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xris:

dennister: doubt that's entirely true... but I get your point. SD doesn't have employees (can't, actually — I never filed the paperwork to legally have employees), just unpaid board members and soon a couple of 1099 folks to help with sysadmin/dev/etc.

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Aval0n-:

hi xris

[03:33:57]

xris:

evening

[03:33:59]

tcpsyn:

I'm gonna need a frontend. I'm thinking... I can't run a dvi-hdmi cable all downstairs.

[03:34:18]

RyeBrye:

tcpsyn – nope, you can't run it more than 15 feet unless you get a booster

[03:34:27]

tcpsyn:

and I'd need a bunch of them

[03:34:34]

RyeBrye:

tcpsyn – gotta love that shitty DVI / HDMI standard

[03:34:38]

dennister:

1099? i know of some other american nonprofit form numbers, but not that one...since i am a canadian, and volunteer a lot...hence the need for that gift card/temp credit card

[03:34:39]

tcpsyn:

I was hoping the ps3 mpeg-ts thing would be worked out by now.

[03:35:25]

Ashlar^:

1099- self-employed contractor

[03:35:27]

xris:

dennister: 1099 is "contract".. meaning, not a direct employee

[03:35:46]

dennister:

ok...this canuck now gets it...thank you

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dennister:

employees are cheaper than contractors tho...used to be a tech recruiter here b4 i got disgusted with that industry

[03:39:11]

dennister:

heck...what am i saying? i always hated that industry...lol

[03:39:37]

dennister:

'night folks, and thanks again for the info

[03:39:49]

Ashlar^:

xris, got a mythweb question for ya, if you have a sec.. got a tz issue.. date / tzselect shows proper config, the clock in mythweb shows proper time, mythbackend records properly and times show good in frontends.. but listings are off in program listings

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Ashlar^:

php.ini has proper tz

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xris:

Ashlar^: weird

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xris:

usually it's the php.ini thing...

[03:40:42]

xris:

you sure you have the right php.ini? some systems have multiples (one for cli)

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Ashlar^:

I'll check, thanks

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chuggs:

anyone know what handles the on-screen display for pause, play , skip etc ?

[03:43:43]

tcpsyn:

Any idea why my OSD menus would be wobbly when using my pvr-150 and not my pchdtv?

[03:44:04]

tcpsyn:

all in all the picture from the pvr-150 is terrible. and it wasn't before I added the pchdtv

[03:44:15]

Ashlar^:

date.timezone = America/Chicago ... once changed, restart apache.. anything else to be restarted?

[03:44:25]

xris:

apache should be enough

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ShockValue:

ah man.. someone nuked freedns.afraid.org

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Ashlar^:

hrmm.. thought so.. dang

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bsdfox\:

tcpsyn: try moving the cards to different pci slots

[03:46:29]

bsdfox\:

tcpsyn: try keeping the cards as far apart as possible (also video card if it's not onboard)

[03:47:59]

tcpsyn:

kinda stuck with that

[03:48:02]

tcpsyn:

not many pci slots

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bsdfox\:

switch slots then

[03:49:14]

tcpsyn:

I'll try it.

[03:49:17]

tcpsyn:

why though..

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Ashlar^:

xris: no joy.. is there a mythweb specific setting for tz that I might have missed? didn't see anything in the htaccess

[03:49:34]

xris:

nope

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bsdfox\:

tcpsyn: devices cause interference sometimes

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Ashlar^:

well, as long as the backed is recording at the proper time, I'm not too concerned.. upcoming recordings shows proper time, too

[03:52:04]

bsdfox\:

anyone got advice on adjusting my system time to the cable's time? right now I sync up with ntpdate and my recordings start about 3 minutes late and end 3 minutes late.. pretty annoying

[03:52:38]

ShockValue:

set the "recording start before show" to 180 ?

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ShockValue:

(not exact verbage)

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bsdfox\:

won't that cause issues with recordings right after each other?

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ShockValue:

hrm, maybe

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Ashlar^:

you'd have to adjust multiple recordings, and hit both the start early / end late with a neg value

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bsdfox\:

I just need another pvr500 :P

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ShockValue:

if your cableco is anything like mine, calling them and letting them know their system is off by 3 minutes wont help.. :)

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Led-Hed:

Well So much for Ubuntu 6.06 LTS. It doesnt like my hardware

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hiredgoon:

anyone know what i might have done to make mythmusic stop being able to fw/rwd?

[04:01:12]

hiredgoon:

could it have something to do with stripping id3 tag info????!!

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hiredgoon:

seems so unlikely

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Slyboots:

Agh!, Got Magicbane.. tons of holy water

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Slyboots:

And Im going to bloody *starve* to death

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Slyboots:

Woops, wrong channel :D

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Slyboots:

haha

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banyan:

I just found out I have no TV listings. So, now I have to set up all the stuff I used to have from zap2it on schedulesdirect?

[04:49:30]

Led-Hed:

Does CentOS work with RHEL Packages/RPMS?

[04:49:42]

Led-Hed:

banyan, no

[04:50:02]

Led-Hed:

banyan, you have to upgrade to MythTV 0.20.2 then pay for Schedules Direct

[04:50:37]

Led-Hed:

Zap2It slammed the door on us

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banyan:

shit, really?

[04:51:03]

Led-Hed:

no shit

[04:51:13]

banyan:

That's a pain in the ass.

[04:51:13]

Led-Hed:

honest truth

[04:51:17]

Led-Hed:

yup

[04:51:22]

Led-Hed:

I'm doing it now

[04:51:37]

banyan:

Schedules direct.

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Led-Hed:

what about it?

[04:53:22]

Led-Hed:

I believe SD was created by Iisac and others to deal with the Loss of support from Zap2It. I think the money goes to bandwidth and such. they claim that their goal is $15 per year

[04:55:12]

Kazan:

it's $15/6 months right now

[04:55:16]

banyan:

I wonder what the back story was there. It would have been nice to at least get an e-mail from zap2it.

[04:55:26]

Kazan:

it was plasted all over the net news

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Kazan:

4 months before it went down

[04:55:38]

Kazan:

some comercial services were abusing the system

[04:55:44]

Kazan:

so they had to term it

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Kazan:

plus they were doing a big software backend change and didn't want to port it for free

[04:56:28]

Kazan:

and SD is a group composed of several mythtv devs, xmltv devs and a few others

[04:56:36]

Kazan:

it's a non-profit

[04:56:52]

Kazan:

advantage of being paying customers "hey zap2it your data is wrong! fix it beotch!"

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Led-Hed:

$30 a year (or 8 cents a day) isnt bad

[04:58:04]

Led-Hed:

so is it an option to pay for a zap2it account?

[04:58:04]

banyan:

No. Actually, I should piss and moan to muy cable provider.

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Led-Hed:

lol

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banyan:

They should be ablee to provide me with listings.

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Kazan:

Led-Hed: labs.zap2it doesn't exist anymore

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Kazan:

you get your accounts from Schedules Direct

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Kazan:

we're paying customers of SD who are paying customers of zap2it

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Kazan:

banyan: they won't

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Kazan:

your cable provider buys their listings from TMS (zap2it)

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Kazan:

anywy.. i'm off to bed

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Kazan:

gnight

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RyeBrye:

how fast can a fast box nuvexport to divx?

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RyeBrye:

on my old p4 be, I'm seeing about 5 fps'

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RyeBrye:

maybe 6 fps... its trending upwards

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banyan:

nuvexport and transcodes generally are ruh-ee-ally slow.

[05:04:09]

RyeBrye:

oh. hm. it's hit 8.25 ... I bet a core 2 duo machine would be hella fast though

[05:04:27]

RyeBrye:

does nuvexport complie on os x?

[05:04:48]

RyeBrye:

or rather... do it's dependencies compile...?

[05:05:30]

RyeBrye:

I'm just excited that nuvexport is working – period – since last time I tried it, it would puke after about 30 or 40 frames

[05:08:41]

RyeBrye:

Wow. Just saw the note about SD extending my subscription

[05:08:54]

RyeBrye:

Sweet. My goal is to have enough members keep signing up that I will never have to pay again! ;)

[05:09:18]

Sedorox:

I still need to sign up

[05:09:38]

Sedorox:

soon as the electrican is done tomorrow, and everything is grounded, I can hook my myth setup back up

[05:09:50]

RyeBrye:

6 months for $15 is pretty sweet

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tjcarter:

Yes

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – you know if nuvexport works on macs?

[05:11:58]

tjcarter:

9 months for $15 will be even better when the time comes.

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tjcarter:

Can't see why it wouldn't

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RyeBrye:

I thought they said the next milestone was $20 / year

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RyeBrye:

but yeah, – $15 / 9 makes more sense logically

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RyeBrye:

since they wont have to get another $5 to enact it

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tjcarter:

That or they may just make it $20 at the end of the six

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tjcarter:

depends on how quickly they can do the $20/12

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that would make sense

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tjcarter:

If they reach the milestone quickly, I imagine they might

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banyan:

now where do you tell myth when to run mythfilldatabase? Is that in the frontend setup or in mythtvsetup?

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tjcarter:

I think it's on the FE setup under general

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chuggs:

Does anyone know how to turn on/enable the on-screen display for pause,play,jump etc ?

[05:39:23]

mchou:

hmm, that's interesting. SD lowered their rates

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upgrdman_:

hello, i just install mythtv and am using it with my pchdtv3000 card. i just moved and my reception turned to crap. is there a way to find out what the signal quality is live on a particular channel... this way i can reposition my antenna accordingly

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p1mrx:

good question, I was actually wondering the same thing

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p1mrx:

luckily for you, I'm new here

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mchou:

upgrdman_: it's all covered in the docs

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upgrdman_:

i was skimming through the docs earlier... any tip as to where in the myriad of docs?

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mchou:

google azap

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upgrdman_:

thx

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toast:

would it be difficult to incorporate the SD listings to my fta system? also, anybody ever setup a blaster for a viewsat ultra?

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mchou:

and in any case this is not a myth issue

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upgrdman_:

well i noticed that when switching to a channel mythtv will tell you the reception %... and was hoping there is a way to keep that screen up

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Dagmar:

Probably not

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p1mrx:

that would make too much sense

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Dagmar:

Yeah, everyone wants to watch TV with some tacky overlay obscuring things

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rtsai:

upgrdman_: I think if you hit F7 you get a "channel signal monitor" or something like that

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rtsai:

(during live tv)

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juski:

woo the bbc trust & ofcom are saying the BBC should launch BBCHD as soon as possible. Amen!

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floppyears:

hi guys so now I have a mythtv frontend in my room

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floppyears:

is there a command line program or something that I can use as an alarm ?

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floppyears:

can I tell mythtv to start playing a recording or something at a specific time ?

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Dagmar:

You could probably write a plugin

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laga:

you could use the telnet remote and script it

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Dibblah:

juski: Here?

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Dibblah:

How are people meant to get the channels list in the first place?

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Dibblah:

Scanning can't work for a STB...

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Dibblah:

Ummm... Stupid. Sorry – They enter their selected package :)

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willcooke:

Does anyone know if the BBC/ITV Freesat will be using the same sat's as Sky? i.e. A sky dish will pick up freesat (the bbc one, not the sky version).

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willcooke:

to answer my own question – it would appear yes. They will be on Astra 2 28.2

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willcooke:

oh dear god.

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willcooke:

I'll put my plans to upgrade to dvb-s on hold for the time being. The line-up is ****

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Dibblah:

willcooke: ?

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willcooke:

??

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willcooke:

BTW – It's international talk like a pirate day

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directhex|work:

avast!

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directhex|work:

willcooke, bbc and itv is already FTA on astra2

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directhex|work:

willcooke, the bigger question is channel4/five

[11:32:01]

willcooke:

yeah – I've got a sky dish bolted to the side of my house from the previous owner, and I was going to take it down, but then I thought I'd keep it and use it for freesat, but the channel line up is no better than freeview. Same shit just spread over a larger area.

[11:32:34]

willcooke:

so, I'll cancel that idea and stick with freeview

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willcooke:

for the time being

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juski:

willcooke: don't you find the prospect of all those yummy religious & shopping channels tempting though? :P

[11:48:52]

juski:

Dibblah: exactly how people enter channels when they've got a STB and they don't have the luxury of a service which does it all for them (e.g. SD) has always been a mystery. I think some people script it, others grudgingly enter them manually. There's no other reason I started work on my wizard thingy

[11:49:44]

willcooke:

I count at least 34 shopping channels. :(

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laga:

willcooke: !!

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juski:

from what I read on digitalspy yesterday it seems ofcom & the bbc trust are very keen for the beeb to launch BBC HD ASAP

[11:50:43]

willcooke:

31 god channels

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willcooke:

various denominations

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juski:

The Kaballah Channel might be good for a laugh

[11:51:35]

willcooke:

is that the game with the circle?

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juski:

though it's probably not FTA ;)

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willcooke:

juski, have you gone HD yet?

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pat_:

good evening/morning/brunch/lunch and night

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directhex|work:

willcooke, same *doodie* as freeview, but fewer potential reception issues? plus bbchd

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pat_:

everyone happy today?

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juski:

willcooke: what? with a via epia-m10000 as a frontend?

[11:52:36]

willcooke:

juski, :) -!

[11:52:37]

juski:

it can hardly even do SD

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juski:

anyway my early adoption days are long gone

[11:52:58]

juski:

that's for MUGS

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willcooke:

directhex|work, reception is not an issue for me, but it was the HD that got me thinking

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directhex|work:

willcooke, i can't see a downside to sticking in a dvb-s tuner instead of dvb-t

[11:53:11]

directhex|work:

willcooke, you can always use both

[11:53:18]

willcooke:

very true.

[11:53:35]

juski:

the BBCHD channel prolly takes up close to half a transponder on its own

[11:53:39]

juski:

18mbits!

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juski:

and it's h.264. lumme

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willcooke:

OK, so let's assume I want to record the 6 o'clock news on BBC1. Will myth know that BBC1 on dvb-t is the same as bbc1 on dvb-s

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juski:

willcooke: aye

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pat_:

they must have something good to encode it in realtime

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willcooke:

sweet

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directhex|work:

willcooke, in theory. it knows that bbc1 on my regular dvb-t card is the same as on my top-up card

[11:54:40]

juski:

you've got TUTV? lol

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directhex|work:

juski, the missus likes the crap on uktv gold

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juski:

you're one of the 70,000

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** willcooke will wait for his CRT to blow up and the price of dvb-s cards to come down, and then go hd! **

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laga:

dvb-s cards are really cheap here

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directhex|work:

juski, but without our reception & extremely thin QAM bands, there's not much that's watchable

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laga:

50€

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juski:

willcooke: it's unknown whether BBCHD will remain dvb-s and not change to dvb-s2

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willcooke:

I had a very quick look on ebuyer, and they have one for 70 gbp – vs 30 for dvb-t

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willcooke:

juski, that card on ebuyer does s2

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juski:

wait til analogue is switched off. everything terrestrial is going to 8k bandwidth 64QAM

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directhex|work:

juski, oh, and there's boobies on TUTV. except it's british porn, which means boobies are about as smutty as it gets

[11:56:36]

juski:

directhex|work: so? UK users have had TelevisionX on Freeview for ages. Just disable Interactive TV in mythfrontend :P

[11:56:57]

juski:

without the MHEG covering the video it's all in the clear

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directhex|work:

juski, it's still british porn though, no smuttier than the average issue of Cosmo

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willcooke:

thats what the internet was invented for

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juski:

it's stronger than that, but I agree it's very soft

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juski:

better than what's on regular telly though

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directhex|work:

barely

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willcooke:

WTF is "Horse & Country TV" ?? I mean, WHY????oneone!!six

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directhex|work:

for smut, dvb-s is a better option, since you can nab less prudish foreign transmissions

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juski:

and the one thing I can never figure out is why there's never any nudity on telly. We can have violent dramas where we see somebody getting tortured or having their head put in a deep fat fryer but no tits!

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directhex|work:

juski, tits destroy society. mary whitehouse said so!

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juski:

mary whitehouse would turn in her grave if she saw 24

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willcooke:

you could strap a couple of magnets to here are run her as a sort of dynamo

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directhex|work:

good! frigid prudish bitch

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willcooke:

here/her are/and. ffs

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juski:

we're very sexually er.. prudish in the UK generally

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juski:

yet we've got the highest teen pregnancy rate in all of Europe

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juski:

go figure

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directhex|work:

juski, go figure? it's causal!

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willcooke:

Barcardi breezer

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directhex|work:

i'm half french, so no prudishness here!

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juski:

doesn't help when the tabloids feel they have to resort to using words like 'bonk' and 'romp'

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directhex|work:

britain is scared of sex. that's the simple version

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directhex|work:

reducing it to a gigglefest in mainstream media is a sign of that

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Kazan:

britain is scared of sex?

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Kazan:

then what is america

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juski:

well, we shouldn't be. it's great

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juski:

Kazan: mortally scared of sex

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Kazan:

sounds about right

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directhex|work:

Kazan, hiding in the house, with doors & windows nailed shut, caressing a shotgun, whenever sex comes by

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juski:

oh noes! she showed us a booby!

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Kazan:

oh gnoes! a boobie! my children are going to be scared for life!!!!

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directhex|work:

juski was a bit more succinct, but i liked my analogy

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directhex|work:

Kazan, wuick, show them some violence to make them feel better!

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directhex|work:

quick

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Kazan:

i swear that gun nuts like their guns more than sex

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Kazan:

lol directhex|work

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juski:

while at the same time, some kids clothes ranges have had bikinis for 5 year olds with a 'pussy' print on the front part of the bottom half

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Kazan:

yeah

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juski:

it's fecked up

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Kazan:

female fashion industry = extremely unhealthy

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directhex|work:

female fashion industry = missing the point entirely

[12:04:58]

Kazan:

i keep seeing talk about there being health standards for runway models in europe... YES YES YES AND YES

[12:05:08]

Kazan:

now if only we could get such standards here

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Kazan:

sorry anorexia is NOT HOT

[12:05:18]

juski:

I really enjoy the irony in how all the lads' mags feature busty, curvy women, yet all the womens' mags are full of images of stick insects draped in cloth

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directhex|work:

Kazan, "catwalk"

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juski:

like HELLO ladies.. we don't want no skinny bints!

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juski:

anyway where where we?

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willcooke:

:)

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Kazan:

females should have: ass, tits, some muscle

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directhex|work:

juski, men like curves. female fashion emphasises lack of curves. therefore, fashionistas are all self-loathing

[12:06:14]

Kazan:

anyway.. afk

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juski:

ahh they hate themselves, so they try to make all other women hate themselves too

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pat_:

crap, my wife is doing stuff for her sister's wedding and has found "bible porn" (songs of solomon)

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juski:

eh?

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juski:

ahhh

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pat_:

she's reading me all this stuff about stripping down and breasts and virgins

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directhex|work:

juski, precisely! as i've said before, any woman wanting to make themselves more attractive needs to spend, at most, £5 – on a pair of hold-ups and a pair of hair ties. which will get far more of the male population going than any £150 haircuts and £5000 fashion sprees

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juski:

well, sex can be kinda like a religious experience

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juski:

pat_: could've been worse – coulda been looking up the 'songs of sodomy'

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pat_:

hmm

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pat_:

www.sodomy.com?

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pat_:

she's looking up random love poems on the internets now

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pat_:

she should just go and watch some recorded TV

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juski:

we just went for traditional stuff. can't remember what the words were & it was only 4 years ago

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pat_:

I don't have 4 tuners to spend her time reading the bible and browsing the internets

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juski:

lol

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pat_:

yeah, ours was pretty standard

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juski:

and we decided it'd have been hypocritical to get married in church, so we didn't :)

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pat_:

the guys at the church had a bunch of regular ones to choose from

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pat_:

her parents are dirt poor, so the wedding cost me lots of money :(

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juski:

I think people who go to too many lengths defining that kind of detail have already started to lose sight of why they're getting wed

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juski:

one mate of mine from way back got married last july – massive ceremony, big reception at a country house – very expensive. now in the process of divorcing

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pat_:

ouch

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juski:

she got her 'perfect day' though

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pat_:

there were 150 people at ours

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pat_:

kind of expensive

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juski:

like people say "it's the best day of our life". ffs if that's the _best_ day just quit while you're ahead

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pat_:

(I've got a good cook now though)

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directhex|work:

my whole "wedding" thing is finally all finished

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pat_:

it's just got better since we were married

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pat_:

every day gets better

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juski:

my wife's friend got married a couple of years ago – their flowers cost more than our whole wedding, now they're separated & he's now on the sex offenders register

[12:15:45]

juski:

they'll still be paying for that day in 5 years time

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pat_:

ouch

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** laga will try hard not to get married for the next 10 years **

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juski:

yeah and ours keeps bucking the trend too – so much for her letting herself go & being less interested in er.. conjugation ;)

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pat_:

I had some cash saved up, enough to put a sizable deposit on a house after the wedding

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directhex|work:

we paid for everything *we* cared about up front. partly in cash.

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juski:

laga: all I'll say is that if you do ever end up marrying, make sure you've not got one of those snakes with breast-types

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pat_:

so we now have our house which has increased in value by 30%

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directhex|work:

the reception was our parents'; big day. we let them get on with it. and pay, of course

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juski:

we had to pay everything ourselves. didn't cut corners as such, had a fab time (except the disco was poo but then they always are!) and still came in under 3 grand

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pat_:

ours cost about AU$15k

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pat_:

all up

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pat_:

and I had to pay the lot :(

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juski:

they say the average in the UK is now £20k

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directhex|work:

juski, 22 i think

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juski:

my house cost only 3 times that

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juski:

and I get another 20 years to pay that off

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pat_:

ours is worth about $550k now

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directhex|work:

juski, *we* paid £5k. couldn't care less about parents.

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juski:

mine's allegedly worth 150k or so

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directhex|work:

juski, and that included a 5* all-inclusive 3-week trip to the caribbean

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juski:

yeah I wanted that. wifey said no. ended up doing a late deal to the canaries where we got flu

[12:20:12]

juski:

flu on a honeymoon ffs!

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pat_:

we went to the gold coast, just down the road

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** willcooke spent his honeymoon inside painting the house. **

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willcooke:

:(

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juski:

hahah how romantic!

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pat_:

bought whatever we wanted and had a blast

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directhex|work:

i spent my wedding/honeymoon drinking rum and being on the beach

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juski:

well, you can go on holiday anytime you want

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willcooke:

my mrs had a hangover for two days as well.

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pat_:

cause we didn't do any touristy things cause we'd been there before

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directhex|work:

life's tough sometimes :|

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willcooke:

we made up for it by going to vegas a couple of years ago!

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pat_:

nothing like a nice place at beachfront

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juski:

can't get my mrs to go on a plane for long enough

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willcooke:

I hear Bognor is nice. :/

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juski:

rofl

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juski:

she says she'd love to do a coast to coast road trip in the states, but then it comes to the flying requirement.. and it all stops

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directhex|work:

juski, put sleeping pills in some milk. it worked for Mr T

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willcooke:

:))))

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juski:

yeah I keep thinking about that

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directhex|work:

flying's not scary. i've been solo flying since age 5

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willcooke:

juski, would you do the whole winnibago(sp?) thing

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pat_:

it's just the landing that hurts?

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directhex|work:

i can't actually sleep on a plane without a little turbulence

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juski:

I've been in all sorts of airborne buckets. I don't especially enjoy flying, but I couldn't say I hate it. It's airports I hate

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Dagmar:

Man WTF

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Dagmar:

When did buying a third-party CPU cooler become such a nightmare

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directhex|work:

juski, i've seen good, and i've seen... well... third world

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, howso?

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Dagmar:

ALl these damn things look like something from a hot-rod fetishist magazine

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juski:

willcooke: aye. might be a bit scary where the nearest town is like 150 miles in either direction though

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, what socket type are you needing a heatsink for?

[12:24:10]

Dagmar:

939

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, akasa evo33 (evo 120)

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juski:

Dagmar: if you want a custom cooler then do be it! you ricer bwoi, you

[12:24:34]

Dagmar:

I'm looking for something similar to the OEM one, but at this point I think I might be better off just putting the thing through the dishwasher and then mounting a new fan on it

[12:24:45]

Dagmar:

I mean, WTF is this supposed to be? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185045

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willcooke:

juski, I'd love to do that as well, but I'd really like to do it in the UK first. I'd love to spend 3 weeks just travelling around

[12:24:57]

Dagmar:

What monkey designed that?

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, a scythe. avoid.

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juski:

willcooke: I think the only way she'd go is if we can find the cash to go 1st class

[12:25:19]

willcooke:

ooooof

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, http://www.akasa.co.uk/akasa_english/spec_pag . . . c_ak_913.htm is my 939 cooler, it's pretty good

[12:25:25]

willcooke:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[12:25:27]

juski:

legroom see – she's like 6 and a half foot tall

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directhex|work:

juski, premium economy? free booze! and lots of legroom! for only an extra hundred or so per person per flight

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juski:

didn't know there was such a thing as that

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juski:

and an extra hundred quid is nowt

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directhex|work:

juski, yep. all the charter airlines have it now. and some of the big-name ones like virgin

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juski:

not compared to the 2 extra zeros of first class

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pat_:

we did the camp at beachfront a couple of years ago for 3 weeks, that was pretty good.

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pat_:

imagine waking up to http://www.panic.id.au/images/index.php/Photo . . . umbnail=true every morning

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directhex|work:

juski, i think we paid about £500 for premium economy to/from cuba. i kept havint to stretch my legs out because i'm so used to tucking them in on regular seats. and free booze!

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juski:

pat_: imagine waking up to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_(model) every morning! :(

[12:28:20]

pat_:

my wife is better

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directhex|work:

juski, e.g. halfway down http://www.thomsonfly.com/en/flywithus_1878.html

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pat_:

juski: with beaches like that 45 minutes drive away, why would you travel by plane for hours to get the same thing?

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directhex|work:

pat_, because that looks pretty murky compared to guardalavaca?

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directhex|work:

y'know, just answering the question...

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pat_:

directhex|work: that looks nice, but costs more than $5 for petrol

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directhex|work:

pat_, i drank enough included rum not to care

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pat_:

seem to be lots of people in http://www.cuba.tc/images/cities/CuGuardalavacaMain.jpg too

[12:34:27]

pat_:

aren't that many where that photo was taken

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directhex|work:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g2857 . . . in_Cuba.html

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directhex|work:

click "candid traveller photos" for real shots

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TelnetManta:

Does anyone know if mythtv can do multicast streaming to the client?

[12:39:23]

willcooke:

TelnetManta, I don't think so, yet. It has been talked about though

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pat_:

directhex|work: mmm, nice

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directhex|work:

pat_, not the most expensive hotel on the island, but certainly the best

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juski:

well I need to stir & do some stuff. dunno what. can't really be bothered

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juski:

ah printing a couple of envelopes would be a start

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pat_:

I think I'll go to bed, I"m out of beer

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pat_:

wife is busy typing

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pat_:

goodnight

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willcooke:

bye

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juski:

I think after doing these envelopes I'll make a start on the desktop migration

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willcooke:

juski, from what to what?

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willcooke:

not vista, please!!

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juski:

do I look like I have fresh scars on my forehead? no vista here

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willcooke:

:))

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juski:

anyway I can't afford the hardware I'd need for that

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willcooke:

heh – but it looks like umbongo is going that way with compiz enabled by default soon

[12:52:48]

juski:

oh great

[12:52:57]

juski:

"why is mythtv no worky in umbongo?"

[12:53:14]

willcooke:

:) – you can feel it coming

[12:53:33]

juski:

bling is everything to ubuntu-ites

[12:53:41]

juski:

nevermind the functionality

[12:54:08]

juski:

look at all the fuss made of blimmin Elisa, yet what does it do? FA

[12:54:37]

willcooke:

it's a shame. I looked at using the server version, but trying to pull in X with out things like calculator and gimp was to prove to much like hard work

[12:54:57]

juski:

though if mythtv was to start thinking in terms of 'keeping up with the Joneses' we really need people to come & work on the UI

[12:55:05]

willcooke:

I can feel a how to coming on

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willcooke:

How would you like to see the UI be improved?

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juski:

better menu operation, more flexibility in theming, get rid of the qt widgets

[12:56:57]

juski:

bring in more mouse support too

[12:57:04]

willcooke:

more sort of Windows media UI?

[12:57:29]

juski:

there looks like there's cool stuff in mythui, but so far only the status screen & menus have been ported

[12:58:14]

juski:

add to that the limitations the different parts of UI code place on themes – like you can only have some types of text in certain areas because each area does its own xml parsing

[12:58:42]

willcooke:

sounds like a huge job

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juski:

nothing short of very heavy investment will bring it to bear

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juski:

been following the progress of the linux port of XBMC though. if that ever learns to speak to a mythtv backend natively there'll be ructions

[13:00:31]

juski:

that said, last time I tried it, it was using 50% CPU on my athlon 800 just sitting in the menus. switching the rss scroller off got rid of that

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juski:

its UI isn't exactly flexible either. I looked at skinning XBMC to be more like mythtv once. nightmare

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juski:

I mean for all I love mythtv & I enjoy theming it, there's only so much you can do with the screen layout

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willcooke:

just reading about xbmc

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juski:

linuxmce goes too far the other way IMHO – it's less about an interface you can read from a reasonable sitting distance away from the TV & more about having a device on your lap

[13:04:45]

juski:

ui design is very difficult. very very difficult.

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directhex|work:

1) myth works on compiz

[13:05:41]

juski:

directhex|work: really? they fixed it?

[13:05:49]

directhex|work:

2) compiz on ubuntu has a list of blacklisted drivers, i.e. will only be enabled on hardware which will run it faster than metacity

[13:06:36]

directhex|work:

juski, there's an issue in fullscreen when running gnome, and there are no window decorations on windowed mode. those are the issues i'm aware of. but otherwise, i run myth on my compizzy home machine fine

[13:06:58]

juski:

so you can bend mythtv around a cubez0r?

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directhex|work:

if required, sure

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juski:

the ricers will be ecstatic!

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directhex|work:

mainly i like the "scale" plugin, which is a clone of apple's "expose"

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directhex|work:

generally, dynamic feedback is more informative than static feedback. moving things are more noticable than unmoving things

[13:08:22]

directhex|work:

if things don't pulse or move in some way, you won't notice them easily. if they're SUPPOSED to be noticed, that's bad

[13:08:24]

juski:

my wife saw Vista at a friend's house & came back thinking "woo pretty!"

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juski:

I think it's pretty too but I'm not prepared to have it at the expense of CPU cycles & ram

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directhex|work:

so when installing myth, if the dialog box telling you XYZ burts onto the screen in a dynamic fashion, you'll notice it more than a plain old box that gets forgotten next to other windows

[13:09:19]

juski:

what I really love about linux is how well it performs on lower end hardware

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directhex|work:

compiz is fine on low-spec kit (my laptop is a few years old now, and i run compiz on it, it's more responsive and useful than metacity)

[13:09:46]

juski:

and the fact that to get the latest 'linux' distro you don't need to put your old machine in the bin

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juski:

time to remind myself which drive letters are which drives..

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directhex|work:

4HD in december?

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juski:

on where?

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juski:

not that it matters, I mean I'm not "reddy for da hood"

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juski:

whoah VM are looking for 50Mb triallists

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juski:

£50 a month!

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directhex|work:

"These plans are in development – watch this space. We are also currently taking part in a technical trial with the BBC, ITV and five to test the possibility of delivering HD programmes through your normal TV aerial, alongside Freeview."

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juski:

be still my beating heart

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juski:

ditch 2 music channels, sack TUTV mux space

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juski:

tada!

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juski:

actually Five own the mux TUTV operates most of its stuff on, and it's been rumoured they might be looking to take it back

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directhex|work:

they already have, for most of it

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juski:

TUTV should never have been in the 1st place IMHO

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directhex|work:

TUTV has dropped from ~20 channels to 3, plus porn, plus 3 channels used for sending their "on demand" data

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tzanger:

morning... is there a reference somewhere with what keys do what in the various mythtv areas?

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laga:

tzanger: keys.txt

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tzanger:

laga: danke

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BULLE:

tzanger: just dont hit self-destruct key by mistake! thats a common newbie mistake, that costs LOTS!

[14:02:04]

gbee:

tell me about it

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gbee:

should be labelled better

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juski:

well I found out that the key bound to 'play' by default is also the 'make xvmc perform very stuttery on epia platforms'. doh!

[14:13:05]

gbee:

!?

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juski:

maybe only in minimyth > 0.20.19 then

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juski:

can't wait to clear my overdaft. gonna put a real machine together for my frontend

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juski:

the bugger for me will be that anything I buy will be more than twice as fast as my current fastest machine!

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juski:

and i can't put an athlon 2800 in a silverstone lc02 if I want it to be quiet

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directhex|work:

what've you got your eye on for a frontend

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tzanger:

heh

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slaine_:

Nice case alright, was looking at one myself

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juski:

dunno. pointless getting anything dual core yet but it'll have to be capable of being cooled silently or very quietly

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directhex|work:

my experience with silverstone cases is bad

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tzanger:

the fast-forward/rewind works great on the tv but with the computer it doesn't seem to

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directhex|work:

juski, mac mini!

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tzanger:

haven't figured it quite out yet

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juski:

directhex|work: too expensive

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juski:

thinking about a £200 max budget for hardware

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juski:

all it has to do is be capable of playing SDTV without pausing for thought every 10 seconds

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directhex|work:

oh, right. that's... quite low, if you want an unshit case as well

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juski:

I'll stick with the lc02 case if I can

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directhex|work:

mATX isn't it?

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juski:

it'll take full size atx actually

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juski:

what I'd be concerned about is a quiet cool CPU

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directhex|work:

and graphics

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juski:

fx5200

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tzanger:

the kubuntu package for mythtv seems to crash X fairly readily on exit

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juski:

nvidia svideo is nice

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tzanger:

i950 chipset though so iti could be that too

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directhex|work:

agp is extinct

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tzanger:

no xvmc available

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juski:

directhex|work: still available on some boards

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juski:

but then again would those boards have cool n quiet or whatever?

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directhex|work:

juski, only on awful boards, or boards for old heatfactories like pentium-d

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juski:

it's a forking quagmire

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juski:

well I can stretch to a new vga card with svideo out

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juski:

only £30 or so

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juski:

there's something the matter if I can't get a new board, cpu & ram for under £200

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juski:

HAS to be quiet though

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directhex|work:

you can. easily. but noise is the big factor

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gbee:

bugger, discovered that they were offering 2 for 1 on the multimeter I bought – missed out on getting a freebie

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directhex|work:

let me try some things

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gbee:

not that I need two, but still

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juski:

directhex|work: I think it was you who mentioned the mobile chip & mobos on ebay a while back

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juski:

those'd just about come in budget for me

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juski:

30W isn't hard to get rid of quietly

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juski:

I mean the Epia runs at 25 or so peak

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directhex|work:

juski, you'd need a mobile chip to go as low as 30W. and you're looking at £125 for CPU alone for a brand new mobile chip

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Dagmar:

If you can find one for sale...

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juski:

yeah but a board is like what – £50 or so

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directhex|work:

juski, for mobile cpu? more. different socket for mobiles

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juski:

bum

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Dagmar:

There's one barebones on NewEgg that I'd *like* to get, but god only knows what CPU it takes. It looks like I'd have to find a laptop with the CPU in it and cannibalize the thing

[14:23:09]

juski:

I'm not prepared to battle & have to do stupid case mods

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directhex|work:

juski, i'm seeing what i can spec up for the money

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Dagmar:

There's some _weird_ crap with Pentium M and 478 or possibly 479 pin configurations

[14:23:34]

juski:

wonder what a 3ghz cpu would be like underclocked to 2

[14:24:14]

juski:

I've seen tell of people running athlon XP cpus with zalman flower heatsinks quietly but that must make heat you can smell – and shorten the life of the components

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, pentium-m uses "socket 479", which is physically the same as 478, but not electrically compatible

[14:24:34]

Dagmar:

directhex|work: Yes, which makes buying a CPU for that real fun

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, why? i can find them for you if you want

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willcooke:

juski, fx5200 can output to scart with a small mod

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juski:

well, it doesn't _have_ to be a mobile CPU – just one that can be quietly cooled

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, core 2, or pentium-m?

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Dagmar:

One moment and I'll show you the chassis i"m talking about

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directhex|work:

juski, i can do you 65W non-mobile.

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juski:

well, will it scale?

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laga:

will it blend?

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juski:

seen as the athlons I've had in my life all seem to burn big temps no matter what I do, give or take 3 deg C

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laga:

you can get adaptors for pentium m -> socket 478

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directhex|work:

laga, only for a limited number of boards

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juski:

yeah but they cost £££

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laga:

directhex|work: true

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: I've been looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101480 as a replacement for my current firewall

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juski:

if only the epia thing didn't prove to be such a good thing initially, then let me badly down later

[14:27:01]

slaine_:

juski, something like this then ? http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=32#i945GMt

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, next time just say "shuttle sd11"

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juski:

slaine_: £163 without CPU or RAM?! madness!!!!!!

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: SURELY there's something other than http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819111176 that goes into that chassis

[14:28:00]

slaine_:

Indeed, but I'm sure if you looked you might find it cheaper

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/Intel_Socket_479_Mobile.html

[14:28:10]

Dagmar:

I mean DAMN $635 for a CPU?

[14:28:15]

juski:

I don't need a SFF board

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slaine_:

Dagmar, last I knew, newegg don't ship outside US

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juski:

it can be any size up to full ATX

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Dagmar:

slaine_: That's good because I'm *in* the US

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, there you go. celeron-m, £59

[14:28:39]

juski:

the CPU & the heat it puts out is more important than anything else

[14:28:50]

juski:

and small size boards come with non-attractive price tags

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directhex|work:

juski, i've done it, if you're interested

[14:29:37]

juski:

underclocking might the way forward but not many boards allow _under_ clocking

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directhex|work:

juski, complete with an upgrade path if you want dual-core later

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juski:

directhex|work: shoot

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juski:

I'll prolly get £70 for the epia board on the fleabay

[14:30:32]

directhex|work:

Abit IL-90NV (socket 478 mobile, supports up to mobile core2, £85 inc vat)

[14:31:04]

directhex|work:

Intel Celeron M 440 1.86Ghz (£59 inc vat)

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directhex|work:

ram & gfx to taste with the remaining £60

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juski:

nift

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juski:

and you can just about just stick a 1U heatsink on mobile chips IIRC

[14:32:00]

directhex|work:

ddr2 is £20 a gig

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siXy:

directhex|work: I've had issues with the HDMI output on that baord, just to warn you

[14:32:18]

directhex|work:

siXy, warn juski. i'd save up & get a mac mini!

[14:32:44]

Dagmar:

directhex|work: Basically, since my WRT54G died, and it was one of the models with the mini-PCI card, I'm hoping to put together a barebones system to use as a firewall and stick the mini-PCI card in it

[14:32:49]

siXy:

it has a bios switch between dvi mode and tv mode, and neither of them work well with any of the LCDs or plasmas we tested (tho we only tested samsung models)

[14:32:53]

juski:

no mac mini can play h.264 HD – and if I'm gonna wax that much cash on a new box I want it to do h.264 HD

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directhex|work:

juski, a core 2 duo can't do hd, with the latest threaded ffmpeg?

[14:33:27]

juski:

though maybe with the ffmpeg improvements a 1.8ghz core2 duo will

[14:33:42]

juski:

it's too early to day though isn;t it

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laga:

with what ffmpeg improvements?

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directhex|work:

laga, multithreaded h264 decoding

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juski:

laga: threading

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laga:

i haven't tried multithreaded decoding, but it was a bit slow on my 1.83Ghz c2d

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laga:

ah

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laga:

:)

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directhex|work:

right now no single-core cpu is fast enough for h264 with ffmpeg

[14:34:35]

juski:

well duh

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juski:

and the other core(s) aren't used :)

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directhex|work:

so single-threaded ffmpeg is a no-go

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directhex|work:

i could always try building ffmpeg trunk, to test

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gbee:

laga: that cpu would easily do h.264 with the threading changes, should be merged into trunk soon

[14:35:09]

directhex|work:

anyway, there's my suggestion for you juski

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directhex|work:

i knew i'd manage something

[14:35:21]

janneg:

above 2.6ghz should do (single core)

[14:35:31]

juski:

what I'm saying is that if there's a good fighting chance a 1.6ghz core2 duo would play h.264 just fine, I'll def. save my sheckles for a mac mini

[14:35:43]

directhex|work:

juski, 1.83 on the basic model

[14:35:52]

directhex|work:

juski, and yes, it's pretty much certain that it will

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juski:

is it? I thought it was 1.6

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directhex|work:

juski, 1.6 on the old core solo ones

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janneg:

gbee: any athlon64 or core duo above 1.8ghz

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juski:

the WAF of the frontend will go through the roof! this I already know

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gbee:

janneg: yup

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juski:

in the max store, showed one to my wife.. "what'd you say to this under our telly?".. "can we get it NOW?!"

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siXy:

does the mac mini have hdmi/dvi out?

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juski:

siXy: DVI

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Dagmar:

Damn NewEgg doesn't even sell a CPU that will go in that box

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directhex|work:

juski, just so you know, the abit board comes with its own low-profile heatsink

[14:37:30]

juski:

directhex|work: wicked

[14:37:38]

juski:

does it need any fan at all then?

[14:37:47]

willcooke:

can anyone recommend me a small easy to set up dns server

[14:37:49]

siXy:

its noisy tho. We replcaed it with a fanless one

[14:37:53]

willcooke:

preff with a gui

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directhex|work:

i think the included heatsink has a fan on it

[14:38:03]

siXy:

willcooke: wong channel. and bind

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directhex|work:

siXy, which fixings does it need? ye olde petnium 4 socket 478?

[14:38:40]

juski:

well, a low profile heatsink can easily be swapped for a bigger one. I have over 40mm height to play with

[14:38:41]

Dibblah:

Argh. "Wake On LAN" should _not_ mean "Power up and then fail to read your NFS mounts".

[14:38:54]

siXy:

directhex|work: yes im 99% user its 478 fittings

[14:38:57]

Dibblah:

Especially annoying since this box has an NFS root.

[14:38:58]

siXy:

*sure

[14:39:21]

Dibblah:

Yup. It responds to ping... But does *nothing* else.

[14:39:40]

juski:

ugh! that board only has PCI-E 1x !

[14:39:51]

directhex|work:

juski, that's what i did with my old pentium-m rig, and set the fan to only spin at 55c core temp

[14:40:18]

juski:

you can't get ANY 1x PCI-E VGA cards..

[14:40:21]

directhex|work:

juski, pci-e 1x is still more bandwidth than pci. and you can plug a 16x card into it, albeit with reduced bandwidth

[14:40:32]

Dibblah:

juski: Of course you can.

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juski:

will it physically fit?

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laga:

directhex|work: physically, you can't. at least not in standard x16 slots

[14:40:43]

Dibblah:

directhex|work: But you need a hacksaw.

[14:40:47]

Dagmar:

YAY

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juski:

bear with me I've seen ONE pci-e card ever

[14:40:54]

siXy:

and im pretty sure ive seen some el-cheapo pci-e 1x vid cards....

[14:41:03]

juski:

siXy: would have to be nvidia

[14:41:07]

juski:

with svideo out

[14:41:22]

laga:

siXy: matrox has some

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directhex|work:

there's overhang. that's all

[14:41:41]

laga:

directhex|work: afaik you need to modify the slot

[14:41:55]

siXy:

laga: yeah i thought that too

[14:42:32]

siXy:

i think the slot ends too soon – and youneed to chop out the end of it – which *really will* void the warrenty on the MB

[14:42:53]

juski:

time to download the manual

[14:43:20]

juski:

just read that if a 1x slot is open at one end you can use a 16x card albeit at 1x speed

[14:43:29]

juski:

now to find out if its slot is open or not

[14:44:05]

juski:

noobs take note here – find out your hardware won't do what you hope it'll do BEFORE you buy it!

[14:44:13]

** laga uses mythbuntu-control-centre to set up mythtv **

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directhex|work:

also, there are nvidia 1x cards available

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laga:

directhex|work: !!! model number?

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juski:

yeah but I'm not gonna pay thru the nose for one

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Dibblah:

juski: As I said before, "open" is a simple matter of a hacksaw.

[14:44:43]

laga:

i've ordered a PCI card the other day :/

[14:44:48]

Dibblah:

And a little bit of care ;)

[14:45:08]

spiderworm2:

what are .nuv files? are these recording files? there's a couple in my recordings directory, but most of the recordings are .mpg files

[14:45:10]

juski:

oh good! the abit webshite doesn't have a manual for the IL-90

[14:45:30]

siXy:

juski: are you going to be on here tomorrow?

[14:45:31]

directhex|work:

http://www.galaxytech.com/Product_Details.asp . . . amp;class2=9

[14:45:43]

willcooke:

spiderworm2, yes, recordings. nothing to worry about

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siXy:

if so i can send you a pdf (assuming i find the cd)

[14:46:06]

spiderworm2:

willcooke, why would i have both .nuv and mpgs though?

[14:46:08]

laga:

directhex|work: spiffy. thanks. iwsh i had known earlier

[14:46:15]

willcooke:

spiderworm2, do you have dvb cards?

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juski:

siXy: well if you have that board you can tell me already if the PCI-E slot is open ended or not :)

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spiderworm2:

im trying to figure out if the .nuv files are old recordings that i can get rid of

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siXy:

juski: im pretty sure it isnt :)

[14:46:37]

juski:

that's that one off my list then

[14:46:40]

Dibblah:

spiderworm2: There's a script in contrib that'll check that for you.

[14:46:58]

siXy:

but directhex|work's link would do – nvidia 7300gt pci-e 1x

[14:47:15]

juski:

yeah if I can source one easily

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spiderworm2:

sorry, i dont know what a dvb card is... I had another card a long time ago that didn't do hardware mpeg encoding, and now i have the pvr 500 which does dual mpeg encoding

[14:47:35]

spiderworm2:

Dibblah, excellent, i'll try it out

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directhex|work:

we aim to please

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Dibblah:

You aim too, please!

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directhex|work:

found them for <£50 at http://www.amlcomputers.com/acatalog/7300_SERIES.html

[14:48:32]

directhex|work:

trying to find a better supplier

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juski:

<£50 ?

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juski:

yikes

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willcooke:

spiderworm2, the mpg could be normal recordings and the nuv's might well be recordings that have been transcoded/compressed/edited

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Dibblah:

Oooh. Heros is on BBC HD.

[14:48:58]

juski:

Dibblah: go to tesco when it's on!

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siXy:

I thought the BBC HD trial had ended

[14:49:13]

juski:

seen Torchwood in HD. looks as poo as ever

[14:49:17]

juski:

siXy: nope

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Dibblah:

Telewest does HD now.

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juski:

still broadcast on satellite

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juski:

telewest is Virgin Media now

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juski:

and if you want HD you need their shitty STB

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juski:

STB/crashy PVR

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Dibblah:

The choice we have. We can watch BOTH ITV and BBC HD.

[14:50:17]

directhex|work:

http://www.gibsoncomputers.co.uk/item.php?ID=2111 is from the supplier listed on galaxy uk's site

[14:50:42]

Dibblah:

juski: Technically, that's true.

[14:50:49]

juski:

god, why the feck is making a nice quiet machine so complex, involving components from the outer reaches of the galaxy?

[14:51:22]

directhex|work:

juski, because you can't afford a mac mini?

[14:51:23]

juski:

is it because most PC boys want more faster faster faster at all costs?

[14:51:51]

spiderworm2:

thank you willcooke

[14:51:59]

juski:

I saw those Hush systems – they want a ducking GRAND for a damn 1.6Ghz box!

[14:52:33]

juski:

ok then if I was to buy a mac mini – what's the svideo tv out like?

[14:52:44]

siXy:

the hush ones arent as queit as you might think either :S

[14:52:53]

juski:

yeah I forgot – that's another £30 on top of the £600

[14:53:14]

laga:

i'm gonna make quiet boxen cand call them "stfu"

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directhex|work:

juski, £600?

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siXy:

the demo model i saw rattled when you put a dvd in and the HDD noise was amplified a thousand times by the box

[14:53:43]

willcooke:

spiderworm2, np

[14:53:46]

juski:

last time I looked a 1.8Ghz core2 duo mac mini was £600

[14:53:49]

Dibblah:

juski: Mine cost £130 each – T5500, 1Gb RAM, motherboard.

[14:53:55]

siXy:

coupla rubber mounts would have cost less than 1 but....

[14:54:16]

Dibblah:

Work really well.

[14:54:18]

directhex|work:

juski, £400 inc vat

[14:54:27]

juski:

since when?

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directhex|work:

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/uksto . . . top/mac_mini

[14:54:42]

juski:

that was the price of the entry model last time I looked around xmas

[14:54:54]

willcooke:

juski, do you definitely want that nice case? If you'd settle for a cheaper plain black one, you can stick a large slow turning quiet fan in for peanuts

[14:55:06]

directhex|work:

juski, and that's price to you, not price to me as someone in edumacation

[14:55:12]

juski:

black sucks

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willcooke:

pink then

[14:55:40]

juski:

black is the colour of everything these days – it's the new ducking silver. and it shows dust & finger marks like nothing else

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directhex|work:

juski, £399 for a mac mini, plus £15 for the non-supplied vdi-to-svideo cable

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juski:

I could make one if I can find the pinout

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directhex|work:

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/uksto . . . top/mac_mini and http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/uksto . . . p;nplm=M9267 respectively

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juski:

I think they've def. upped the specs since I last looked

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juski:

or my memory has rotted

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laga:

just spend 15 bucks for the damn cable and be happy

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laga:

what about the apple tv?

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directhex|work:

laga, low-end pentium-m (no hd)

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juski:

think about it – £400 for a great looking diddy box, or £200-£300 & spend hours/days wrangling hardware & pissing around with drivers

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directhex|work:

and no optics

[15:00:21]

juski:

mac mini with dvi-svid cable it is

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laga:

true

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directhex|work:

juski, plus whatever you paid for the silverstone, slim dvd drive, hard disks, etc

[15:00:37]

juski:

hard disks?!

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|Torg|:

laga did you ever get that mutihead ubu box setup?

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directhex|work:

diskless frontend? fair enough

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juski:

I can flog the lc02, epia crap & slim DVD on fleabay "look! GREAT silent HTPC!"

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laga:

|Torg|: are you talking about the radeon i was gonna buy?

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|Torg|:

a few days ago I asked you about my setup and you saiod you were doig somehting sinilar

[15:01:36]

directhex|work:

L@@K you mean

[15:01:41]

laga:

jonty@hq.last.fm :)

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laga:

|Torg|: i've had my multihead setup for quite a few weeks now

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juski:

plus I can program my remote with the Apple protocol/codes & use the built-in receiver for more than 6 buttons!

[15:02:07]

|Torg|:

oh ok, sorry

[15:02:17]

juski:

sorted

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laga:

|Torg|: no worries

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** juski wonders if there's a FrontRow plugin which talks to a mythtv backend yet.. :P **

[15:03:44]

juski:

but if it turns out that even a 1.8Ghz core2 duo can't decode h.264 HDTV I'll be pissed

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siXy:

now *that* would be cool

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GreyFoxx:

juski: new frontend?

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juski:

GreyFoxx: indeed. Epias suck

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directhex|work:

juski, i can try ffmpeg trunk if you like

[15:04:23]

** GreyFoxx rebuilt all of his stuff on the weekend. New drives, some new hardware etc **

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juski:

I want to update my frontend but the choices I'm left with involve all sorts of bull

[15:04:31]

GreyFoxx:

now I'm rebuilding my msntv nfsroot images

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GreyFoxx:

so all machines will have 100% identical distro/software installs

[15:04:56]

GreyFoxx:

rather than the grown overtime mixture I had before :)

[15:05:04]

juski:

sure I could take minimyth apart & get to the bottom of why it sucks so much since 0.20–19 but I don't have the lifetime

[15:05:25]

siXy:

im using mythweb full-time atm as the new nvidia drivers auto-settings-screwup drove me round the bend + i gave up....

[15:05:32]

juski:

I could install ubuntu on it again, and have days of 'fun' wrestling with alsa to get digital AND analogue audio out every boot time

[15:05:40]

GreyFoxx:

I'm curious though (this wouldn't really apply to minimyth) but, what processor do packagers compile myth for ? i686 ?

[15:05:57]

juski:

I'd have thought i386 would be safest

[15:06:04]

siXy:

i386 for fedora

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laga:

GreyFoxx: for my trunk packages, i'm using i686. without CMOV.

[15:06:08]

GreyFoxx:

I compiled my new frontend and it could barely play HD content. Stutters, prebuffer pauses etc.

[15:06:17]

|Torg|:

it wil make pacakges for i386 buyt they will cashe on differnt archtectures

[15:06:20]

GreyFoxx:

I recompiled for athlon-xp and now it's find and has room to spare

[15:06:31]

|Torg|:

it basicly makes then in two flavors I know of, i386 and amd64

[15:06:52]

juski:

maybe that's where minimyth's problem lies for me then – since Pablo started bringing in support for other archs

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|Torg|:

anything I compiled on my amd 32 bit works fine on amd, my amd64 has to be speicaly compiled ( I can understand why) as does my P4

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** laga has just bzuilt his first frontend for amd64 :) **

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GreyFoxx:

well, my i686 compile compile running on an a sempron 3000+ couldn't play HDTV content without stuttering, but the same install compiled for athlon-xp plays it fine with cpu to spare

[15:07:43]

juski:

still tempted to have a go with slack on the epia but it'll need time away from the TV

[15:07:54]

GreyFoxx:

the ./configure didn't auto detect my CPU so I was manually setting it

[15:08:09]

juski:

i still _want_ a mac mini though. maybe that'll have to wait til I've got a HDTV

[15:08:29]

laga:

put slackware on the mac mini?

[15:08:32]

|Torg|:

the P4 3GHZ and the AMD64 2.6GHZ play 1080I fine

[15:08:45]

juski:

|Torg|: not h.264 I bet :)

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, h264 sampples from x264.nl ?

[15:08:51]

** laga needs to set up his build environments/scripts again **

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|Torg|:

not ALL h264 no

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juski:

try some clips from the BBC HD streams

[15:09:06]

siXy:

havent got 1080p to play well on anything yet, either

[15:09:14]

laga:

i lost a bit of stuff after trying to switch to amd64 on a live system. things went downhill once i replaced glibc :>

[15:09:19]

|Torg|:

elefants dream works fine, no problem. Had better perf on my AMD64 then the P4

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, p4 sucks though

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|Torg|:

I am putting myth on my desktop just to see how well it works with the kil bill one

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|Torg|:

directhex|work: it may suck, but it works

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directhex|work:

juski, i'm building ffmpeg trunk. i'll see how the bbchd test does in ffplay

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coreyo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813127028 was going to use this for a mythtv microatx box. I have a pvr-500, and I know there are complications with some nvidia chipsets. Anyone see a good reason why I should not buy this?

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toma:

Hi, can a change the definition of 'once a day' so the days are defined like from noon to noon ?

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siXy:

coreyo: that NIC is a complete PITA

[15:13:15]

siXy:

also YMMV witht eh HMI output

[15:13:21]

siXy:

*HDMI

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coreyo:

siXy, a few too many acronyms for me

[15:13:44]

coreyo:

HDMI out is good becaue it will be going straight to a monitor

[15:13:45]

siXy:

uh sorry :)

[15:14:05]

coreyo:

will probably get a nicer video card and run 2 X sessions, one for the "tv", and another for a real monitor

[15:14:12]

|Torg|:

forcedeth?

[15:14:27]

siXy:

that onboard network controller is a complete pain – uses either the sk98lin or sky2 driver – both are useless + frequently dont work well

[15:14:46]

Dibblah:

sky2 is OK for me.

[15:14:59]

siXy:

the HDMI out on a similar board I could not get to work correctly on any of the samsung LCDs or plasma screens I tried

[15:15:04]

Dibblah:

Apart from the resume using WOL issue :(

[15:16:01]

siXy:

sky2 utterly fails for me... after spending a few hours on it I gave up and will buy a cheapo NIC

[15:16:17]

directhex|work:

siXy, it's not a Sky2 chip is it?

[15:16:26]

directhex|work:

sky2 is worthless in the extreme

[15:16:35]

directhex|work:

i spent £50 on a bnx2 card instead

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toma:

when a show starts at 23.30 and lasts an hour, i can not use 'once a day' as that will skip the recording of the day where the previous show ended at 00.30h. Any ideas?

[15:17:36]

AndyCap:

toma: write the station and complain? :P

[15:18:07]

toma:

AndyCap: that is an option ;-)

[15:18:21]

siXy:

coreyo: so in other words: no I cannot reccomend it. I would personally buy a simpler, cheaper MB with an intel NIC and put a hdmi-cabable graphics card in there

[15:19:19]

AndyCap:

toma: hmm, perhaps the once a day logic should only consider start time for recordings, but no idea how much work that would be to change

[15:20:01]

directhex|work:

what should i use to run "ffplay" on a h264 ts sample? it's being VERY slow with the bbchd, but cpu use doesn't go past 66% of one core

[15:20:28]

siXy:

is there a way of scheduling via console command? if so you could just use cron... very dirty admittedly but wold work

[15:20:43]

toma:

AndyCap: an additional problem is that that show is repeated during the night. So ideally I would like something like 'once a day – after noon'

[15:21:21]

AndyCap:

toma: haha. that does get sucky. and it's not in the same timeslot either?

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toma:

AndyCap: no, it's around 23h, +/- 15 minutes

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toma:

AndyCap: is that configurable, the timeslot fuzzyness? or is it exactly at that time ?

[15:23:18]

laga:

maybe you can use a custom schedule

[15:23:21]

siXy:

toma: do you have a kid you could give pocket money to for scheduling it every night?

[15:23:39]

coreyo:

siXy, what's wrong with the NIC?

[15:23:49]

toma:

AndyCap: although i would prefer that if there is a conflict mythtv would pick the next broadcast

[15:24:03]

toma:

AndyCap: ah, good reason to create kids

[15:25:03]

siXy:

coreyo: the linux driver for it is not good. at all. some people have it working, but not all by any means. I would not assume that you will be able to get it working unless you can find omeone else with the same chipset and NIC who did gt it working

[15:26:15]

directhex|work:

i have a £180 motherboard with the same onboard NIC in my backend

[15:26:20]

directhex|work:

i was seeing kernel oopses 5 times a day

[15:26:38]

toma:

AndyCap: thanks for listning.

[15:26:46]

siXy:

coreyo: just google for "sky2 linux driver problems"

[15:26:48]

AndyCap:

toma: dunno if it's fuzzy. :)

[15:26:58]

juski:

I haven't seen a kernel oops since I miscompiled a kernel when i was using gentoo

[15:27:39]

AndyCap:

juski: after that you've only been running X so you don't see the oops messages?

[15:27:45]

AndyCap:

:>

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toma:

AndyCap: ok, have to fysically moce now, i'll ask that question again later

[15:28:11]

AndyCap:

to what now?

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juski:

nah when I had kernel oopses they were show-stoppers

[15:28:22]

juski:

as in non-booty

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AndyCap:

ba-da-bum-tish

[15:28:43]

coreyo:

siXy, I do not inted to use the NIC anyway

[15:28:50]

coreyo:

will use some 802.11 solution.

[15:29:04]

juski:

hahaha that's what you think now

[15:29:21]

siXy:

wireless + myth = pain. on a stick.

[15:30:06]

tank-man:

wireless works for me

[15:30:19]

tank-man:

why is it a pain?

[15:30:20]

Anduin:

Find One does use the start time to start looking, and custom record could do it as well (yes I know he is gone)

[15:30:20]

juski:

YWMV

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directhex|work:

tank-man, the bandwidth isn't sufficiently sustained for watching a recording

[15:30:49]

tank-man:

there is enought bw for sdtv

[15:31:33]

directhex|work:

it's not about bandwidth, it's about sustained bandwidth

[15:31:47]

directhex|work:

technically 54mbit wireless is fine for 18mbit HD. in practice?

[15:32:00]

siXy:

also assuming the HDMI setup is the same on the IL-90 thing, I would be really careful about assuming that is actually going to work

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|Torg|:

its more about latency and wilessess tendancy to burt data

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coreyo:

wireless PCI and linux in general is a pain

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tank-man:

anyone building their own hdtv mythtv box probably has their whole house wired

[15:33:25]

willcooke:

Thanks juski, assuming I'm one of the nice ones

[15:33:25]

coreyo:

tank-man, not me

[15:33:27]

coreyo:

not my house

[15:33:30]

coreyo:

so I can't wire it

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|Torg|:

no tank-man I dont hav wires in my batchrooms :P

[15:33:54]

tank-man:

you got an hdtv setup in your bathroom? lol

[15:34:07]

|Torg|:

no but I could

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|Torg|:

the only HD setup is the TV in the living room, the bedroom dosnt have a tv, and the spare bedroom is setup for SD

[15:34:53]

|Torg|:

technically I play HD on my desktop but I dont really call that a TV, its more how I play with myth

[15:35:24]

coreyo:

what kind of 7.1 surround sound support is there in linux anyway? Is there even a DVD player that will even output proper 7.1 information in linux?

[15:35:31]

siXy:

coreyo: its your money – by all means by whichever motherboard you want. But from my own experience, I would really reccomend avoiding that motherboard, and buying somehting with a nice intel chpset

[15:35:44]

|Torg|:

coreyo: DTS passthough, but nealy noting is encoded into it

[15:35:52]

siXy:

coreyo: xine, mplayer, vlc, lots more over spdif

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siXy:

in theory myths internal player does too. except for me it doesnt. but thats probably a soundcard issue more than anything else

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, what are you using to play those x264 samples?

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|Torg|:

mythvideo

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coreyo:

siXy, one of the reasons I'm going with that mobo is the 7.1 s/pdif out. Basically, I needed micro atx, firewire, 7.1 surround with s/pdif out, and hdmi out is even better. Not too many mobos had that, and none that were intel. Intel is waaay more expensive anyway. A lot more bang for your buck considering the AMD FX 62 is now only $155

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|Torg|:

umm why do you need 7.1 output?

[15:37:48]

coreyo:

also wanted pci-e and 2 pci cards

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directhex|work:

coreyo, erm, sp/dif is sp/dif. you don't need a specific board to send a 7.1 signal over sp/dif

[15:38:22]

coreyo:

|Torg|, 5.1 would probably be sufficient, mostly looking for expandability later on

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siXy:

why not buy a cheap 7.1 soundcard with coax/opt out instead?

[15:38:56]

|Torg|:

coreyo: I have 7.1, take a guess out of all the HD sources I have how many are encoded in it

[15:39:06]

coreyo:

siXy, don't really care whether it's coax or optical. Main thing is that I'll need the expansion slot on a micro ATX case

[15:39:11]

siXy:

and as a side note: i havent been to any houses lately with rooms so big here was any milage in getting 7.1 over a decent 5.1 setup

[15:39:14]

|Torg|:

and if the day comes that the broadcast 1080P with 7.1 ill go replace the damn $30 card

[15:39:59]

|Torg|:

and like siXy said there is no differnce autio wise between 7.1 and 5.1 unless you have your entire basement as your media room

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siXy:

a couple of grand on some nice B&W or similar speakers and a proper AV amp and you will never notice those missing side channels. plus you can bi-wire the fronts

[15:40:46]

** directhex|work has a nice a/v amp **

[15:41:15]

** |Torg| has an old amp that works fine **

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** directhex|work has a nice a/v amp w/ 7.1, hdmi support, and decoding of all hd audio formats **

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siXy:

Personally, I have a silverstone frontend case which has 3 slots. one for teh vid card, one for the soundcard. third currently un-occupied – maybe put a cheapo card in there for a relay into the kitchen/dining room? dunno. anyway – if you buy a case with 2 slots and a basic motherboard that will do the job nicely

[15:43:00]

** siXy does too. not that he actually uses the hdmi function, as he just plugs myth stright into the tv..... **

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|Torg|:

my FE has a video card and an audio card, nothign special

[15:43:32]

|Torg|:

sits in a plain ol tower case, nothing special

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directhex|work:

siXy, i use hdmi as the monitor out from the amp. but the myth machine connectes videowise straight into the tv

[15:43:57]

|Torg|:

has a 350G HD that I put music and vieos on, and other then that its unspectacular

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siXy:

he dmixing for duplicating a 5.1 spdif into a 2ch analogue on a different card is not for the fainthearted however – that might take me a day or so of keyboard bashing to get going

[15:44:26]

Ozymandias2:

if my mythbox is connected via wireless, will that effect the playing of mediafiles off the network? or does myth cache files?

[15:44:52]

|Torg|:

it will GREATLY effect it, and yes it does

[15:45:03]

siXy:

some NFS tweaking can help there

[15:45:24]

siXy:

but still – a less than perfect wireless link and you will be chucking that remote at the screen from time to time

[15:45:54]

Ozymandias2:

is there any tweakign that can be done to cache files so that it smooths that out a bit?

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|Torg|:

you can use wireless just fine for mythtv. First thing your goig to do is lead line your walls, Then trow out the refiderator, microsave, dishwacher, washing machine or anything other with an AC motor

[15:46:34]

|Torg|:

you relly didnt want cold food now did you?

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tank-man:

Ozymandias2, if you are doing sdtv resolutions, it works fine, does for me

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|Torg|:

then, maybe then, you can get that wirelss to work reliably

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Ozymandias2:

tank-man dont have an hdtv, so that ought to be fine

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Ozymandias2:

|Torg| what I am asking is can mythtv be set to buffer the videos to compensate a bit for that

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siXy:

Ozymandias2: neither HDTV nor SDTV works well ove wireless here. 802.11x is a fickle mistress

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directhex|work:

Ozymandias2, nobody else has had absolute success with myth over wireless. just so you know

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Ozymandias2:

directhex|work thats what i was asking ;-)

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Ozymandias2:

thanks

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siXy:

Ozymandias2: nope. buffers and caching are a bit beyond the small performance increases you might be able to get ot of a few hours google on nfs settings :)

[15:49:34]

Ozymandias2:

thats an option. I am still looking at what hardware I want to get to setup my box, so I am trying to cover all my bases

[15:50:10]

siXy:

Ozymandias2: bet on wires. if wireless works reliably for you, thats gret but the odds are against it

[15:50:34]

Ozymandias2:

siXy rental property here, makign that less of a pleasant option

[15:50:58]

keith4_:

in video source setup, what's "us-cable" vs "us-cable-hrc" or "us-cable-irc" ?

[15:51:07]

|Torg|:

if your close enough to the access point to get a realible signal you are close enough to plug in an ethernet cable

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siXy:

Ozymandias2: you can still run them down corners witha few very discreet cable tacks.

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siXy:

or under edges of carpet. or whatever fits your house

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|Torg|:

and for 2 years I ran Ethernet along the baseboard, under rugs and furniture. It works fine

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MilkBoy:

gigabit ethernet <3

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siXy:

dont get bright yellow eth cable tho :D

[15:52:31]

|Torg|:

WAF is lower then running it thought eh attic and using a patch pannel, but it works

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Ozymandias2:

|Torg| siXy that may be possible. The reall issue is "as the crow flies" the TV and the access point are about 4 foot from each other, but following the edges of walls/bases/etc would be about 100 foot, and cross 3 doorways

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Ozymandias2:

so, in otherwords, I felt it was worthwile to look into wireless options, lol

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|Torg|:

and even if you did wire the whole place with ethernet and run them to a sensible locaiton, your landloard would orbbably allow it (hell even welcome it)

[15:54:32]

Ozymandias2:

|Torg| apartments, and I asked.... sadly.

[15:55:09]

Ozymandias2:

not saying wired is not possible

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tank-man:

theres the problem, you asked lol

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Ozymandias2:

just not preferable

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Ozymandias2:

i might just try wireless, as it would only be an aditional $30–40 for a wireless N card, and if it doesnt work for myth, the card can go in my laptop

[15:56:44]

tank-man:

4feet? just make a hole and patch it up when you move out

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Ozymandias2:

tank-man thats what I am thinking

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|Torg|:

Im pretty sure if you put a cover over it and socket they woudlnt even notice

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siXy:

or run under floorboards – many modern internal walls dont go below floorboards and a hole in floorboard under carpet is realy not going to be noticed

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Ozymandias2:

siXy thats true

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** siXy is off home now... **

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Dibblah:

|Torg|: Landlords only "welcome" things which increase the selling price of the property.

[16:01:55]

Dibblah:

Ethernet doesn't.

[16:02:02]

Dibblah:

New bathroom suite does.

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|Torg|:

epends on who you sell it to :)

[16:02:09]

Dagmar:

Well, it does when you've cat6 properly

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|Torg|:

my house I sold did

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Dibblah:

cat6 is an odd choice.

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Dibblah:

Personally, cat5e is more than enough ;)

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|Torg|:

I did cat5e and rg6

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** BULLE likes cats **

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|Torg|:

BULLE: esp with BBQ sauce :P

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BULLE:

|Torg|: yes!

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BULLE:

i have never eaten cat though, but i can imagine it would taste ok

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|Torg|:

tastes like chicken :)

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BULLE:

for some wierd reason, its not socialy accepted to eat cat and dog, but ok to eat sheep or cow etc

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BULLE:

|Torg|: oh, yo have tried cat ?

[16:13:32]

|Torg|:

cat: the other white meat

[16:13:42]

|Torg|:

no, but I have eatern dog

[16:14:23]

tim9431:

i can't seem to connect to my backend.....

[16:14:39]

BULLE:

tim9431: what log messages / error messages do you get ?

[16:15:02]

tim9431:

Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.106

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BULLE:

okies, so that is pretty straightforward then

[16:15:48]

BULLE:

is the mysql server on 192.168.1.106 listening ?

[16:15:53]

BULLE:

is the username and password correct ?

[16:16:19]

BULLE:

use the mysql shell tools to connect to 192.168.1.106 with the username and password you supplied to mythfrontend

[16:16:22]

tim9431:

when i do a port scan the 6553 and 6554 ports are there....new to mythtv btw

[16:16:35]

GreyFoxx:

oooh IEGD 7.0 is out? Hmmm

[16:16:42]

tim9431:

and linux:-p

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|Torg|:

mysql != mythtv

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tim9431:

i know

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|Torg|:

so do what BULLE said

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tim9431:

so how do i use mysql shell

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tim9431:

like i said new

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tim9431:

in terminal?

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|Torg|:

mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -p -h 192.168.1.106

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tim9431:

ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server

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|Torg|:

your mysql server is either not running or is misconfigured

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tim9431:

i checked that mythtv.txt thingy to double check that i had the right logon and password

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tim9431:

hmm

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H00chster:

ps -e|grep mysql

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tim9431:

was i supposed to run that on the backend? correct

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tim9431:

?

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H00chster:

wherever you have your mysql installed

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tim9431:

k

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H00chster:

is the backend by itself or is it a backend/frontend

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tim9431:

5427 ? 00:00:00 mysqld_safe

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H00chster:

should have a mysqld as well

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tim9431:

5469 ? 00:00:08 mysqld

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tim9431:

its on a fresh install of fiesty

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tim9431:

if that helps

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H00chster:

k so mysql is running, is this a backend/frontend or backend only?

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tim9431:

the computer i am trying to connect to is both..ive gotten it working on that just fine now i want to be able to connect to it from my computer downstairs

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H00chster:

ok, so you are trying to run a remote frontend

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tim9431:

yes

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H00chster:

did you add premission to mysql to allow other computers to connect?

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tim9431:

no...how do i do that

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H00chster:

mysql -u root -p mythconverg

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H00chster:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";

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H00chster:

flush privileges;

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H00chster:

quit

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H00chster:

that needs to be done on the backend

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H00chster:

and adjust the ip range as needed

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tim9431:

k

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willcooke:

and change the mysql.conf file to allow that as well

[16:30:07]

juski:

willcooke: you should get yer badgerinos tomorrow :)

[16:30:10]

tim9431:

is the password that the first line asks for the same i would use to connect to the backend or is it something else

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H00chster:

as willcooke said, you will want to edit your /etc/mysql/my.cnf and comment out the bind-address = 172.0.0.1 if it exists

[16:30:17]

willcooke:

sorry make that /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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willcooke:

:)

[16:30:26]

willcooke:

juski, Nice one! Cheers!

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tim9431:

i did that to my.cnf already

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juski:

H00chster: 127.0.0.1 actually

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H00chster:

it is whatever you set the root password to your mysql

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H00chster:

lol juski

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H00chster:

ya

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H00chster:

typed too fast

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H00chster:

have too many circuits on my mind

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tim9431:

and if i dont't recall setting up a root password to mysql:-D

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juski:

tim9431: cross that bridge when you get to it

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tim9431:

is there a pwd file that would have this

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juski:

it's not hard to reset a mysql password

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willcooke:

hmmm – speaking of mysql – has anyone tinkered with the "Fine tuning" options? Mine are out-of-the-box, and work fine, just thinking if I can squeeze a little more out of it

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juski:

even a root one

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juski:

willcooke: laga showed me a page on the wiki the other day. gonna try it

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Merlin83b:

willcooke: If it ain't broke...

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willcooke:

Merlin83b, :)

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** willcooke looks at the wiki anyway. If it aint broke – what will I do with my spare time?! **

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H00chster:

tim9431, you could prob change it to -u mythtv -pmythtv and it will prob work

[16:32:55]

juski:

hucking fell this damn trojanish thing is getting on my nerves now

[16:33:18]

juski:

20 smtp connections/sec is hogging all my surfing ability

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juski:

well I should say 20 smtp _non_ connections since I blocked outgoing ;)

[16:35:22]

juski:

I've come to the conclusion that I picked this up from that damn crappy mp3 player the other week

[16:35:37]

juski:

was vacuum packed yet had loads of files already on it

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willcooke:

YAY! Success. I now have a user job that takes recordings, mp3's them (with settings based on the type of recording), adds them to my music collection in the correct folder and builds a podcast feed so I can get at them easily from my N770.

[16:35:51]

juski:

and ya know what windows' autoplay is like – you tell it no but...

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H00chster:

willcooke you using that n770 to control myth?

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H00chster:

lol juski

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juski:

I'm just glad this isn't anything harmful or I'd be royally screwed

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willcooke:

H00chster, I had a look but decided not to bother in the end. I've got a good remote, and at the end of the day I prefer to use a wireless keyboard. (not pretty, but very easy)

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H00chster:

heh I know they make that orbiter crap for linuxwannabemce, but didn't know if there was a way to do it just using myth alone

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tim9431:

alright i myth@localhost dennied...

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juski:

allow ALL from juskisipaddress on mythconverg

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H00chster:

tim9431, what are you trying to do, LMAO juski

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H00chster:

how did you setup your myth tim9431 ?

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tim9431:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv";

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H00chster:

in other words you had to add mc.sql to the database once you first installed didn't ya?

[16:39:46]

H00chster:

and typing that in gave you an error?

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tim9431:

synaptic package manger

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tim9431:

is how i set it up

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tim9431:

um it said mythtv@local access denied

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kslater:

when a new capture card and listings source are brought online, is anything else necessary for mythfilldatabase to start getting the listings?

[16:40:34]

H00chster:

so doing that way adds things to the db for you? never installed via a package, always compiled the svn so dunno

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H00chster:

maybe you can't do it logged in as mythtv since you are actually modifying the entire db for access, you need to figure out/hack your root password, maybe the package manager doesn't set one, try just mysql -u root see if that lets you in

[16:41:51]

H00chster:

if so then try that command

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tim9431:

just installed the package and all the dependencies....i can get the frontend to work on the machine that has the backend

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tim9431:

k

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tim9431:

it did

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mike3_:

*burp(

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H00chster:

then run that command

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tim9431:

k

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H00chster:

I would recommend setting a root password on that, but as long as your box never sees the outside world I guess it is ok

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H00chster:

I couldn't do without mythweb so I make sure to set one

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tim9431:

how do i go about that...i did that flush command too..should i try connecting to it remotley again or do i have to restart mysql

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H00chster:

if you applied that query and it worked that time, yes do the flush and quit out and try your remote frontend again

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tim9431:

k

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H00chster:

you said you already did the my.cnf commenting out the bind-address right? if you did that you prob need to restart sql but if that was already done then you are good

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tim9431:

yup

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tim9431:

i dont think i restarted sql..started searching google for how to but then i found this place

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tim9431:

a simple reboot would work i guess

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H00chster:

sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart should do it, try your frontend might not need to

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tim9431:

i tried the loging into mysql from remote machine...it wined and i already started it rebooting

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mike3_:

yah xbmc won't work with myth. It's gay

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juski:

uhhhh great. new plugin called mythpython, and the tarball is hosted on rapidshare. nice going :-\

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laga:

http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-dev/msg04063.html

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laga:

^^ last year, it was on yousendit :)

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juski:

even better :-\

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juski:

get some webspace man

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laga:

juski: where did you find that plugin?

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juski:

post on the dev list

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tim9431:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'@#$$@.local' (using password: YES)

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laga:

juski: must be blind

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juski:

2 new ui widgets too :)

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juski:

right. time to do some dirty, dirty work

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laga:

oh, that guy can't use mailing lists properly

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laga:

oh

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laga:

this python plugin looks nice

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Led-Hed:

if I make && make install mythtv 0.20.2 and it doesnt go well, is there a way to roll back the install?

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georgek:

Led-Hed, make uninstall

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laga:

make uninstall and your database backup

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Led-Hed:

laga, do the 0.20.2 wont overwrite my current 0.20.1

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Led-Hed:

do = so

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laga:

it will

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laga:

unless you're using packages, which install to aidfferent prefix. in that case, you'll get a very ugly mess

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Led-Hed:

uggh

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Led-Hed:

I have had my current backend running smooth on FC4 (built from ATRPMS) for almost 3 years now. But ATRPMS isnt supporting FC4 anymore.

[17:23:41]

Led-Hed:

so its time to either compile from source or start from scratch.

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laga:

you need to uninstall the packages beforehand

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laga:

and get a backup :)

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Led-Hed:

ya, its just nerve racking to mess with a server that has been running so well for so long

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Led-Hed:

my kids might just spontaneously combust if their myth were to go down

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laga:

don't upgrade then :)

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praet:

tim9431: you have to add mysql access permissions

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janneg:

bummer, the PAFF patch doesn't work for my samples

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tim9431:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "mythtv"; like this

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tim9431:

cause i already did that

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tim9431:

i give up for today i think

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directhex:

well i never, it's djmount which doesn't do 64-bit

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laga:

heh

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|Torg|:

did you compile it? or just download it?

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directhex:

you'll never go what came to the rescue as the first client to show me a functional upnp server on myth...

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directhex:

|Torg|, compiled it.

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laga:

nero? windows?

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directhex:

vista media player 11!

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** tjcarter shoots vista first and asks questions later **

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|Torg|:

vista? inst that a virus?

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tjcarter:

directhex: I've been saying for weeks that we need a good UPnP AV client.

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|Torg|:

no wiat, virus actually do something

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tjcarter:

CLIENT.

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tjcarter:

There's 10 million servers

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|Torg|:

tjcarter: I have one that does SD fine, its HD I want

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Dagmar:

And you want this to work over UPnP?

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Dagmar:

Are you *insane*?

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fryfrog:

a uPnP antivirus client? wtf is that?

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I'd take over DAAP, but nobody else seems interested ;)

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tjcarter:

It might take some extensions to DAAP to allow for full functionality. UPnP AV is a little better than DAAP in that regard.

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Dagmar:

I would rather my files not traverse the network unencrypted

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Dagmar:

UPnP != secure

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tjcarter:

You care about encrypted episodes of Who Wants to be a Millionaire on your local LAN?

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Dagmar:

Am I that likely to get viruses in my TV recordings?

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|Torg|:

directhex I just downloaded it and compiled for AMD64. it works fine, what problem did it give you?

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Dagmar:

Besides which, if you only encrypt the secure things it makes it very easy for an attacker to know what to attack

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directhex:

| +- Result = -104 (UPNP_E_OUTOF_MEMOR)

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I just segment my wifi from my LAN

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tjcarter:

You have to be in my apartment to access my data. If you're in my apartment, I have bigger problems than whether my trivial network traffic is encrypted.

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|Torg|:

root@torg:/myth/upnp# ls

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|Torg|:

devices jachin: MythTV AV Media Server

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Dagmar:

I prefer not to ship things that will eventually result in a major thread on Bugtraq with my name involved.

[18:27:57]

directhex:

|Torg|, now look inside that folder

[18:28:07]

laga:

Dagmar: wuss.

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Dagmar:

lol

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|Torg|:

directhex its empty

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directhex:

|Torg|, O RLY? now look at the .status file in the folder

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|Torg|:

ok there is a status I thoguht you meant like video :P

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directhex:

|Torg|, and what is INSIDE that status file?

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|Torg|:

wget http://downloads.sourceforge.net/djmount/djmo . . . big_mirror=0

[18:30:14]

|Torg|:

oops

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|Torg|:

Device "jachin: MythTV AV Media Server" (expires in 3570 seconds)

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|Torg|:

|

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|Torg|:

+- Discovered on = Wed Sep 19 13:27:06 2007 (59 seconds ago)

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Dagmar:

directhex: Speaking of lolcats, things just got weirder. Google for lolthulu

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|Torg|:

of course there is the rest of the xml too

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directhex:

|Torg|, it's not xml. and there should be other things in the folder if it were working

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directhex:

|Torg|, however, right near the bottom...

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directhex:

+- Last Action = Browse

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directhex:

| +- Result = -104 (UPNP_E_OUTOF_MEMOR)

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laga:

Dagmar: omg

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|Torg|:

it comes from the xml in the upnp directory, I know I had to edit eh status a fwe times to get some of my upnp devices

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Dagmar:

laga: There's a dedicated lolthulu website as well. Still trying to figure out where I stashed the URL

[18:32:32]

laga:

http://lolthulhu.com/

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laga:

?

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Dagmar:

I had thought so but that doesn't resolve here

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|Torg|:

what are you looking at Eldritch stuff for?

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Dagmar:

It's just *very* messed up seeing C'thulu in lolcats pictures

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Dagmar:

...saying thins like O RL'YEH and U HAS A FLAVOR – NOM NOM NOM

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Dagmar:

I CAN HAS ELDRITCH SIGIL. *boggle*

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|Torg|:

yea well try a devival

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Dagmar:

I think it was http://spaceninja.com/lolthulu

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: No, see I used to live with a big SubGenii so I'm aware of that. I've spotted Stang incognito at DragonCon and all that fun stuff

[18:36:22]

juski:

silly 2.0 kids

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Yes that's right, every perverse little twisted thing you young un's have been looking forward to doing, some of us have already done

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juski:

y'all should be lernin' to speke Spanish is what it is

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Dagmar:

awesome

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juski:

2.0 kids use the word awesome like I use commas

[18:38:04]

juski:

oh and people who work at Canonical :)

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Dagmar:

Pfft. Don't make me use leetspeak on you

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laga:

|0|

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|Torg|:

juski: No hablo Espanol, yo hablo Tejano

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tjcarter:

Today be not the day for l33tsp33k.

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directhex:

\o/ o// \\o <o> <o/ \o>

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|Torg|:

today is piratespeak day

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Dagmar:

Aye

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|Torg|:

Argg

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laga:

ahoy

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juski:

see channel 4's HD service will only be on Sly. the monopolies lot should get on their case..

[18:39:25]

Dagmar:

It's especially "annoy the crap out of people on Ventrilo with it"

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juski:

directhex: yo regex no worky :(

[18:40:47]

juski:

oh no. NO. NOOOOOOOO. ducking Miro (formerly democracy player) in mythtv. NO

[18:41:06]

juski:

_NO_

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Dagmar:

Dozens of lawyers just began salivating for reasons they do not understand

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juski:

!trout Hendrixski thanks_for_putting_MythTV_on_the_Feds_radar_you_plank

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** MythLogBot slaps Hendrixski with a thanks_for_putting_MythTV_on_the_Feds_radar_you_plank trout on behalf of juski... **

[18:42:38]

juski:

btw guys if you ever get a chance to see 'This Film Is Not Yet Rated' – do so. It's very illuminating

[18:42:47]

juski:

all about the MPAA & their rating process

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|Torg|:

I have it on DVD

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|Torg|:

try Steal This Film too

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Dagmar:

It needed more titties

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laga:

i need a way to make a nice timetable for college in linux which odes not involve spreadsheet processor. any suggestions?

[18:43:38]

|Torg|:

and ass, nothing like T&A

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juski:

write ?

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gpd:

any ideas why I might be having trouble getting ITV3 – no lock – but all other channels ok?

[18:43:47]

Dagmar:

laga: <TABLE>

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juski:

gpd: you've indavertently installed MythTaste

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gpd:

juski: damn!

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juski:

gpd: that and the serviceIDs changed recently. rescan

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gpd:

ok – sweet – thanks :)

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|Torg|:

juski: I tried that module and it erased all my blootube themes

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juski:

|Torg|: shit happens

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directhex:

okay, what am i missing for viewing recordings via upnp in WMP11?

[18:45:03]

juski:

directhex: a player which obeys the laws of upnp?

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|Torg|:

not laws really, more like a loose collection of rules

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juski:

like there's a upnp standard, and then there's whatever MS want to do

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|Torg|:

but Microsft wrote it

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juski:

so why's there so many things which supposedly work with upnp and don't ?

[18:47:13]

|Torg|:

did you do the upnp dance with the rubber chicken?

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juski:

I damn well hate these so-called 'standards'. nothing is interopable to the level it _should_ be

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directhex:

wmp won't touch the mpeg files as they are. i'm not sure if it hates the audio, video, or container, as windows doesn't give that level of feedback

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|Torg|:

you didnt pay money to the mpeg2 gods of windows

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|Torg|:

takes large sacrefices

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juski:

ah yeah you can't play mpeg2 in windows without installeryfying a 'dvd player'

[18:49:42]

juski:

*windows media* I mean

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juski:

like MS can't afford the $0.20 per player licence fee

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|Torg|:

doom9 has a bunch of "stuff" to wmp your mpeg2 codecs

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juski:

|Torg|: somewhat unreliable, I found

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juski:

VLC just works (tm)

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|Torg|:

dunno if its reliable or not, I dont use it :P

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|Torg|:

I just know its there

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|Torg|:

mplayer, mythdvd, xine and vlc all work for me, so I dont see what the problem is....well except people think Windows is a suitable OS

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** juski waits for others on the dev list to put the kosh into the democracy player plugin idea **

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juski:

not that I have a problem with crap like that per se, just that I don't find myself falling for the hype that it's all free & ok to share

[18:55:06]

Dagmar:

Wow.

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|Torg|:

I dont advacate its free, just that I shoulndt be locked into some half assed propriatary system

[18:55:20]

Dagmar:

Someone I formerly respected just asked where he could buy a life-sized C'thulu doll.

[18:55:37]

|Torg|:

the macy parade?

[18:55:45]

Dagmar:

It would have to be larger than that

[18:56:02]

Dagmar:

...and would probably completely deplete the world's supply of purple felt.

[18:56:16]

|Torg|:

well I wasnt going for 1:1 replica :P

[18:56:20]

fryfrog:

wtf is C'thulu?

[18:56:26]

fryfrog:

is it ... safe to search for?

[18:56:31]

|Torg|:

fryfrog: YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW

[18:56:35]

juski:

a winged octopus-mouth thing?

[18:56:38]

fryfrog:

ok, i'll trust you :)

[18:56:41]

|Torg|:

yes, a god

[18:56:43]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: He is the second oldest god, according to the deranged writings of HP Lovecraft

[18:56:53]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:56:56]

Dagmar:

...although "YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW" is a good second answer.

[18:57:15]

|Torg|:

its a realigioin, I guess I could pray to my shorts and call it a religion, based upon sci-fi writings of HP lovecraft

[18:57:34]

juski:

W T F ?

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juski:

we're all doomed. doomed I say

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|Torg|:

juski: its not even the weirdest religion I have seen

[18:58:07]

Dagmar:

o/~ C'thulu eats the little chil-dren. All the children of the world. Red and yellow, black and white, hear them screaming with unending fright--C'thulu eats the little children of the world. o/~

[18:58:11]

juski:

though the other night I happenned upon a website which raised more than one eyebrow here

[18:58:19]

|Torg|:

altho it ranks up there pretty high

[18:58:39]

|Torg|:

I should probbly not talk badly about others beliefs tho

[18:59:30]

juski:

apparently there are people who think that Madeline McCann was (is?) a clone, specifically to be used in ritual sacrifices and thus, when the mother said "_theyve_ taken her", they 'they' she referred to were the cult of The Illuminati – you know, those lizardy guys

[18:59:55]

|Torg|:

go ask a Scientologist about the clams

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juski:

clams?

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|Torg|:

go look up the Church of All Worlds

[19:00:44]

JoeyJoeJo:

I want to get rid of all the music in my DB and start over. If I just drop all the music tables out of my DB and run mythmusic again, will mythmusic recreate the needed tables?

[19:01:08]

laga:

you could purge them

[19:01:31]

JoeyJoeJo:

ok.. I guess that's a mysql command?

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|Torg|:

juski you like Illuminati, look up the Illuminatus trillogy

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laga:

JoeyJoeJo: yes

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JoeyJoeJo:

laga: ok, I'll google it.. thanks

[19:02:15]

juski:

don't.. drop... tables!

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juski:

jimminy jellickers!

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|Torg|:

truncate them

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laga:

right

[19:02:39]

laga:

truncate was the word

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laga:

not purge

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laga:

!

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laga:

sorry i am sleepy

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|Torg|:

so Dagmar, ever run across the Principa Discordia?

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juski:

righto. that's everything on C: backed up

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juski:

time to do the unmentionable

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|Torg|:

C:, is that a new language?

[19:05:22]

juski:

sadly no

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juski:

is Feisty still the latest ubuntu?

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|Torg|:

gutsy

[19:07:32]

juski:

already?

[19:07:43]

|Torg|:

I dunno its what I downloaded and am running

[19:07:45]

juski:

I mean is it properly out?

[19:07:48]

|Torg|:

laga made me do it :P

[19:08:04]

|Torg|:

dunno it was marked as beta

[19:08:10]

juski:

well it's only my desktop machine I can apt-get dist-upgrade

[19:08:54]

|Torg|:

other then apic, my xorg.conf and beryl crashing it wasnt difficult to install

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|Torg|:

I would shudder to think what some novice installing it would do

[19:09:19]

juski:

got my real 7.04 CD here :)

[19:09:38]

|Torg|:

this is 7.10 I think

[19:09:44]

juski:

gonna send it to my parents when I'm done wiht it tonight

[19:10:12]

|Torg|:

if I can find scabble for it I could convert my wifes system

[19:10:22]

|Torg|:

then I would have 8 boxes to distcc with !!!!

[19:10:35]

laga:

gutsy is alpha

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laga:

feisty is current stable

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|Torg|:

should I backrev it?

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laga:

without reinstalling? that's hardly possible

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|Torg|:

with reinstalling, I know how to preserve my data and relay and OS :P

[19:11:42]

juski:

might well be possible but it'd break loads of things

[19:11:49]

directhex:

i'm switching to gutsy on my systems

[19:11:58]

directhex:

i tend to move to a new ubuntu release ~1month before release

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|Torg|:

gutsy seems stable enough tho

[19:12:20]

directhex:

it was a bit stupid over picking which nvidia driver to give me

[19:12:25]

|Torg|:

other then say nautilus eating away at the CPU all the time

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laga:

it seems that my stability problems were related to the -rt kernel. hum.

[19:13:44]

|Torg|:

it had a cute liltle hardware icon, which when clicks loaded 96.39 tho just fine

[19:13:53]

|Torg|:

I checked vxmc and it installed that an open gl

[19:14:29]

|Torg|:

the xorg setup for xinerama was somewhate screwey and the options I needed for the nvidia driver I had to google

[19:14:49]

|Torg|:

so if I had to id copy my xorg.conf off, reformat / and let it lay on feisty

[19:15:10]

|Torg|:

it was why I asked abou the mutihead earlier laga

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laga:

7kickban alexp789

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laga:

tomimo: ah

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|Torg|:

why is he pinging everyone?

[19:16:18]

laga:

err, |Torg|

[19:16:21]

alexp789:

sorry i'm new to irc!

[19:16:22]

laga:

stupid pipes.

[19:16:27]

alexp789:

didn

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laga:

alexp789: heh, k

[19:16:36]

alexp789:

didn't realize it was a bad thing!

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|Torg|:

Received a CTCP PING 1190229300 from alexp789 (to #mythtv-users)

[19:16:51]

alexp789:

ah, sorry one command not to play with again!

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|Torg|:

altho gusty keeps giveing me stuff like:

[19:18:16]

|Torg|:

The program 'traceroute' can be found in the following packages:

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laga:

tomimo: i like that

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Frostshoc:

hello

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|Torg|:

laga it nice that it tells me its in a package, I want it to be installed with the base os tho

[19:19:16]

Frostshoc:

is there a tv-out/graphic card thats comparable in quality to the xbox tv out?

[19:19:18]

laga:

but you get openoffice instead!

[19:19:42]

|Torg|:

Removing gnome-nettool ...

[19:19:42]

|Torg|:

Removing iputils-tracepath ...

[19:19:46]

|Torg|:

those part of openoffice?

[19:20:04]

laga:

heh

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|Torg|:

why traceroute isnt packaged with ping is beyond me

[19:22:05]

willcooke:

Frostshoc, it depends what sort of tv out your running. It could be svideo, it could be rgb

[19:22:26]

alexp789:

hi all! Has anyone here managed to get their progs encoded to 3pg, with decent quality. I'm using mencoder and ffmpeg, but the quality is really bad.......

[19:22:27]

willcooke:

Frostshoc, for best quality you want rgb

[19:23:00]

willcooke:

Frostshoc, and to my knowledge there isn't a card that will "just work" on an analogue TV input

[19:23:30]

alexp789:

Forstshoc, if you're tv supports it, i'm using dvi out from pc, converted to hdmi for the tv, with v.good results.

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|Torg|:

alexp789: your comparing HDTV on a digtial out to svideo SD alaong

[19:25:03]

|Torg|:

not that the digital is better then analog but they are totally differnt

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willcooke:

alexp789, 3gp is tricky to get right, I had most success with an online converter

[19:26:13]

alexp789:

torg, yep you're right! ;-)

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|Torg|:

so laga how much it is worth it to install feisty on this system?

[19:27:13]

alexp789:

willcooke, yeah i've seen a peter k episode a friend encoded with some free windows software, and the quality is really good, but all my attempts have just resulted in a very blocky mess!

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laga:

|Torg|: huh? "worth"?

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willcooke:

alexp789, same here! http://online.movavi.com/ worked for me, but it was only a 10second clip

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|Torg|:

what would I gain

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Frostshoc:

alexp789: i have an analog PAL tv.. but will buy a HD tv later.. for now i need something to work with eqv. quality as my xbox

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willcooke:

Frostshoc, does it have a scart input, and if so, can you solder?

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alexp789:

frostshoc, i

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Frostshoc:

willcooke: yes, soldering is no problem... what do you propose?

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alexp789:

frostshoc, i've used svideo, but only for a short while why i waited for a dvi -> hdmi cable, i've a nvidia card, with video out, and it worked, but the quality was 'below average' (its fine with dvi now tho) the card is a gforce 7300 gt. for what help it is!

[19:31:01]

willcooke:

Frostshoc, nvidia or ati card?

[19:31:04]

alexp789:

willcooke, thanks for the link, trying it now. Might get some pointers from the video it provides anyway!

[19:31:09]

Frostshoc:

alexp789: usually the tv-out on graphic cards suck... i was hoping to find a "temporary" card with more then average quality

[19:31:29]

willcooke:

alexp789, try this as well http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/ConvertTo3gp

[19:31:31]

Frostshoc:

willcooke: hmm.. let me check

[19:32:32]

willcooke:

Frostshoc, basically ati is easier because you can program the card to just out put a scart compatible signal with an X modeline, nvidia needs a very simple circuit which I'm looking for now....

[19:32:44]

alexp789:

willcooke, thanks a lot, i use motion as well, but never come across that before! cheers.

[19:33:27]

willcooke:

Frostshoc, ATI: http://ryoandr.free.fr/english.html

[19:33:54]

willcooke:

Frostshoc, nvidia: http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/photos/hpim1190/view

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willcooke:

I use the nvidia one and with a bit of modeline magic it works really well, excellent picture quality

[19:34:49]

Frostshoc:

wow..

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laga:

last time i did modeline magic to my PAL modeline, i ended up with vrefresh=25.5Hz and annoying interlacing artefacts

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willcooke:

Frostshoc, and here's my xorg.conf which works for me: http://www.pastebin.ca/703701

[19:36:26]

Frostshoc:

cant find any info on the motherboard: MSI K9AGM2-FIH 690G

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willcooke:

integrated ATi Radeon X1250

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Frostshoc:

why cant they just print it out in clear text.. ATI or nvidia

[19:37:16]

willcooke:

2nd hit on google

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Frostshoc:

ok.. sorry :)

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willcooke:

:)

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alexp789:

willcooke, well thanks for the link, i've now changed my script from using mencoder for video and then muxing it with ffmpeg to: 'ffmpeg -i /myth/1004_20070912180000.mpg -ar 16000 -ac 1 -acodec libamr_wb -ab 23.85k -b 240 -s qcif -f 3gp /myth/3gp/test.3gp' fingers cross, thanks agin!

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bsdfox__:

where do I go to watch livetv recording? I see them in my autoexpire list but nowhere else

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|Torg|:

Watch Tv

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willcooke:

alexp789, No worries – if you get a good result please consider sticking something on the wiki, I'd be interested in doing something with 3gp files.

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bsdfox__:

how do I view stuff that's been recorded as livetv though?

[19:44:41]

bsdfox__:

I'm not trying to watch stuff that's on right now, but something I watched as livetv last night

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tank-man:

bsdfox__, thru a option

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bsdfox__:

I see it in the autoexpire list

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tank-man:

setting

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alexp789:

yeah i was just thinking that, it'll be a big day, first use of irc and first wiki entry. ;-)

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tank-man:

they are not normally displayed with recorded programs, you have to set a setting to view them there

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bsdfox__:

any idea where that setting is? I don't see it

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tank-man:

no idea

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bsdfox__:

found it, thanks

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Alun:

hi there, can I ask for some help here with my myth install?

[20:04:14]

juski:

just ask a direct question

[20:04:37]

|Torg|:

Alun: yes

[20:04:48]

Alun:

i'm trying to get my NOVA-T 500 dual PCI card working but the instructions here:

[20:05:03]

juski:

you need a wery wery new kernel

[20:05:22]

juski:

the wery newest you dare lay your hands on

[20:05:26]

Tanthrix:

Good advice: If you're rototilling your yard, be aware of where your poorly buried cable line is.

[20:05:44]

Alun:

sorry, can't get the link at the moment

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** Tanthrix had to go without internet for nearly 15 hours **

[20:05:55]

Alun:

but the instructions give a website to download firmware from

[20:06:01]

Alun:

but the site seems to be down :)

[20:06:31]

alexp789:

alun, if you need the firmware, i can make it available for you.....

[20:07:08]

Alun:

site here: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppau . . . -NOVA-TD-500

[20:07:16]

Alun:

alexp789, that would be great, thanks

[20:07:30]

alexp789:

alun, give me two mins, i'll post a link in a min.....

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|Torg|:

http://www.wi-bw.tfh-wildau.de/~pboettch/home . . . 0-03-pre1.fw

[20:08:22]

Alun:

yeah, either I can't reach that site or it is down

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

[20:08:45]

Alun:

actually, that link is working for me now Torg

[20:08:47]

|Torg|:

which site?

[20:08:47]

Alun:

thanks!

[20:08:56]

Alun:

alexp789, don't worry

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bsdfox__:

is there any way to end recording early? my time is way out of sync with ym cable companies and I dunno a good way to fix it

[20:09:20]

|Torg|:

np

[20:09:34]

|Torg|:

the time, ntpdate

[20:09:37]

|Torg|:

and run ntpd

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bsdfox__:

yeah I run ntpdate

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bsdfox__:

and I start recording about 4 minutes late

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gbee:

bsdfox__: when setting up a schedule you can chose to end or start a recording early/late

[20:10:19]

bsdfox__:

I suppose I could just manually adjust my clock but that sucks

[20:10:19]

juski:

hmm this is weird. installing ubunut & my 2nd monitor is all flashy flashy

[20:10:35]

|Torg|:

juski is it on the same card with the primary?

[20:10:36]

bsdfox__:

gbee: I don't see the setting to end recording early, only late..

[20:10:51]

gbee:

bsdfox__: use a negative number

[20:11:04]

gbee:

-5 would mean end five minutes early

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bsdfox__:

won't let me input numbers as far as I can tell

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ol_schoola_goneb:

Tanthrix: they bury your cable line? comcrap just decorates the edge of your lawn around herew

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bsdfox__:

it's in seconds too

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juski:

|Torg|: yep

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|Torg|:

juski nvidia card?

[20:11:59]

juski:

yup

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|Torg|:

http://www.pastebin.ca/703761

[20:12:11]

Tanthrix:

ol_schoola: Gotta love quality workmanship.

[20:12:14]

bsdfox__:

yeah.. doesn't let me input numbers

[20:12:16]

gbee:

bsdfox__: you are probably looking at the global setting, I'm talking about the per-schedule setting

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|Torg|:

I have two 7900GSs the one on 2:0:0 is the dual attached

[20:12:35]

Tanthrix:

ol_schoola: But yes, ours is buried until it reaches the house.

[20:12:36]

bsdfox__:

is that in mythtv-setup?

[20:13:14]

gbee:

bsdfox__: and sorry I'm just confusing the setting in mythfrontend with the one in mythweb (where you can enter numbers) – the one in mythfrontend just lets you press left/right to chose the value

[20:13:32]

bsdfox__:

correct, and hitting left I can only go as low as 0

[20:13:37]

bsdfox__:

can't get into the negatives

[20:13:52]

gbee:

bsdfox__: wrong screen

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bsdfox__:

which one do I want

[20:14:20]

gbee:

little hard to explain what the recording schedule screen is if you've never seen it (but you _must_ have)

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floppyears:

hi guys I have a mythfrontend machine with 256mb of ram, and I'm wondering whether I should add some more

[20:14:33]

floppyears:

will I get some boost in performance by doing so ?

[20:15:00]

bsdfox__:

floppyears: transcoding doesn't need much ram

[20:15:09]

bsdfox__:

err frontend? yeah probably

[20:15:17]

gbee:

someone help me out here?

[20:15:22]

floppyears:

yeah, it's a frontend only machine

[20:15:28]

gbee:

bsdfox__: I'll upload some screenshots

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|Torg|:

juski: the only part of that im unsure of is the 1600,1200 vs the metamode in the driver, I dunno my nvidia-setup keeps doing that

[20:15:43]

floppyears:

gbee: what are you trying to explain ?

[20:16:36]

juski:

I'll worry about the screen setup later. repartioning now

[20:16:48]

floppyears:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&saf . . . N&tab=wi

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floppyears:

that should have some useful images gbee

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bsdfox__:

gbee: I see what you're talking about

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bsdfox__:

there isn't any way to globally set that? cause that's a crappy fix if I have to do it every time

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|Torg|:

I cant qute get teh resolutions correct with mine as im mixing in two differnt sizes on three monitors, mostly it works tho

[20:17:50]

gbee:

http://tase.co.uk/mythtv/recording_schedule.png

[20:17:58]

gbee:

http://tase.co.uk/mythtv/recording_schedule_2.png

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willcooke:

does anyone know of an RSS help channel on IRC, or better yet – can anyone help me trouble shoot an RSS file I've created?

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alexp789:

hi all, just got 3gp working, and call me thick, but how do you create a new page on the wiki? Can't find where you create a new one......

[20:20:39]

juski:

search for a page that doesn't exist ;)

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alexp789:

juski, thanks a lot!

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juski:

installing....

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juski:

I like that partition resizing thing

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|Torg|:

whats 7.04 and 6.05 LTS?

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laga:

6.06 is dapper, LTS is "long term support"

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laga:

7.04 is feisty

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laga:

hum

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|Torg|:

ok thanks im downlaoding 7.04 now, 32 biut to see if I cn get rid of some of these sgfaults

[20:27:19]

laga:

i think ig got the version numbers wrong

[20:27:20]

laga:

oh well

[20:27:26]

gbee:

heh

[20:27:30]

laga:

heh, what segfaults?

[20:27:37]

laga:

kpilot just segfaulted on me :/

[20:27:43]

|Torg|:

HID driver degfaults

[20:27:47]

laga:

ouch

[20:27:48]

|Torg|:

beryl segfaulted

[20:27:53]

|Torg|:

djmount dosnt work

[20:28:05]

laga:

i wonder why apport does not come with kubuntu.

[20:28:08]

|Torg|:

things like that, its just an experiment anyway

[20:28:20]

laga:

i dont think kde gets nearly as much love as gnome in ubuntu

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|Torg|:

cde?

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|Torg|:

really I did this to play with beryl, so if it failes im going back to bb

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gbee:

laga: that's interesting, I'm trying to decide between Mandriva (which I know and love) and kubuntu, if kubuntu is treated as an afterthought by Canocial then I'd probably go with Mandriva

[20:31:25]

spiderworm2:

i just noticed that my vista box is picking up a service related to mythtv on the network from my mythtv box (of course).... MythTV AV Media... what is this?

[20:31:37]

gbee:

spiderworm2: upnp server

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|Torg|:

spiderworm2: go see what it says you can access

[20:32:26]

spiderworm2:

when i double click it it opens up windows media player and shows me some music that afaik i dont have on the machine

[20:32:28]

laga:

gbee: probably not as an afterthought, AFAIK they pay a few guys to take care of kubuntu. i'm running gutsy now and it's not as polished. it's still alpha after all

[20:32:39]

joyzlin:

hi there. can I get a suggestion how to compile mythplugins with mythtv-multirec branch? I am getting some compile errors (inputinfo.h not found)

[20:32:44]

gbee:

only you might not have much luck accessing mythtv media from vista – vista's upnp implementation is apparently pretty dodgy

[20:32:46]

spiderworm2:

Aaron Goldberg jazz... Aisha Duo Quiet Songs.... I don't have this stuff

[20:32:59]

|Torg|:

spiderworm2: thats bease MS dosnt play nice, its showing you al the music you HAVE, on the right side is a link for the server

[20:33:07]

|Torg|:

AFAIK it wont strem video, only audio

[20:33:22]

|Torg|:

sorry its on the left

[20:34:18]

|Torg|:

umm did you install an update to WMP?

[20:34:39]

|Torg|:

adn this is Vista, correct?

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spiderworm2:

this is a brand new laptop... it came with the updates

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juski:

gees I wish feisty would show some blimmin info at boot time

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|Torg|:

then yo have those songs on your laptop already, it came with wmp

[20:35:12]

spiderworm2:

ok

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|Torg|:

juski: take out quiet at boot and let it fly :)

[20:35:34]

spiderworm2:

well, im not seeing how to access the music from mythtv still in WMP

[20:35:50]

|Torg|:

alond the left sie is a menu, myth is one of them

[20:36:01]

spiderworm2:

it's not one of them :(

[20:36:14]

juski:

and where the hell is 1650xwhatever for my monitor?! grrr

[20:36:16]

spiderworm2:

i have playlists and children, library and children, and URGE and children

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ol_schoola:

|Torg|: quiet? is that a boot.ini option?

[20:37:30]

|Torg|:

boot.ini???? no its a boot option for grub and lilo

[20:38:02]

ol_schoola:

ah, cool

[20:38:04]

jduggan_:

lol

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|Torg|:

spiderworm2: its not really going to get you anything, wmp wont play them

[20:38:18]

spiderworm2:

*nod*

[20:38:27]

spiderworm2:

DRM or some crap? maybe just buggy?

[20:38:37]

|Torg|:

juski 16:10 widescreen?

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spiderworm2:

no matter... winamp probably works, yes?

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|Torg|:

1650x1050 is a standard 16:10 widescreen format

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ol_schoola:

spiderworm2: nah, ms just bastardized the upnp implementation

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ol_schoola:

same with the xbox 360

[20:40:01]

|Torg|:

XBMC Works

[20:40:31]

ol_schoola:

yes it does, just not stock

[20:41:23]

juski:

yeah well it's not autodetected my monitor. Nil points

[20:41:44]

juski:

I thought the end-user experience was supposed to be setup & go

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spiderworm2:

what

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spiderworm2:

what's a better windows upnp frontend then?

[20:42:09]

juski:

spiderworm2: not nero showtime. crashy

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|Torg|:

juski look in a verbnose output of X, ill bet it did and its playing with metamodes to put more then one monitor together, its what mine does

[20:42:12]

directhex:

1680x1050

[20:42:22]

ol_schoola:

dunno, i stream with slimserver and squeezeboxen

[20:42:32]

juski:

|Torg|: that sucks

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juski:

I want to set one monitor to the native res &* the other to its native res

[20:43:00]

|Torg|:

xdpy info claims my desktop is 4240x1050

[20:43:01]

ol_schoola:

i'd love to see a myth plugin that emulates a squeezebox

[20:43:03]

directhex:

IMHO ubuntu's displayconfig-gtk is crap – it more or less denies the existence of widescreen, and doesn't consider driver issues at all

[20:43:09]

juski:

is this gonna be a battle?

[20:43:13]

spiderworm2:

myth is really becoming the shit... i can even control the frontend with my wii remote, even plug in the classic controller and play games :D

[20:43:25]

|Torg|:

1280x1024+1680x1050+1280x1024

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|Torg|:

I *think* xinerama is stretchign my 1280x1024 to x1050 somehow, as 1280+1680+1280 does = 4240

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juski:

I can't believe I've just read a nvidia howto in the ubuntu docs which told me to reboot

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|Torg|:

reboot my ass, restart gdm

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juski:

exactly

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|Torg|:

modprobe nvidia, then start gdm

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juski:

now I bet there's no easy config wizard for dual monitors

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|Torg|:

nvidia-setup

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laga:

nvidia-settings you mean?

[20:47:18]

|Torg|:

althgouth ultimatly I did have to resort to vi+brain setup

[20:47:26]

|Torg|:

yes laga, sorry

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|Torg|:

I'm still no 100% happy with mine

[20:48:01]

laga:

what's wrong?

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juski:

hmm. according to the X log it didn't see my big monitor

[20:48:19]

gbee:

hmm, heroes double-bill tonight, wonder why they've suddenly started to show two episodes at once

[20:48:42]

|Torg|:

how does xdpyinfo get 4240x1050 out of 1280x1024+1680x1050+1280x1024

[20:48:56]

laga:

Tanthrix: oh, triple head?

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|Torg|:

the fonts look a bit off, like there missing a mixing DPI from the monitos, which differ

[20:49:11]

|Torg|:

yes tripple head

[20:49:16]

laga:

nice

[20:49:28]

CDev:

spiderworm2: FYI – I use Vista's WMP to play video & audio all the time.

[20:49:45]

laga:

the nvidia readme explains a bit how they come up with that stuff. appendix J or G afaik

[20:49:48]

|Torg|:

laga WILL be yes :)

[20:49:57]

spiderworm2:

CDev, media from your myth upnp server?

[20:50:03]

CDev:

yes.

[20:50:12]

spiderworm2:

CDev, what did you have to do? :D

[20:50:13]

laga:

heh

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laga:

nice, i just crashed my palm

[20:50:41]

|Torg|:

laga, of course, my stupid ass was so astonished I could install 96.39 from pacakge I never botherd to look for the readm

[20:51:10]

laga:

|Torg|: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/

[20:51:29]

|Torg|:

ah huh its where I was hadding, but thanks

[20:51:37]

CDev:

spiderworm2: Select the library tab. Then select music or video from the drop down menu just under the back button.

[20:51:45]

|Torg|:

well ok I treid /usr/doc first

[20:52:17]

directhex:

CDev, how did you get video working? i can't get it playing any recordings

[20:52:29]

|Torg|:

hmm no docs were installed, no matter ill get it off one of my other systems

[20:52:29]

spiderworm2:

CDev, i have no back button, but i have music as well as video... continuing

[20:52:32]

CDev:

spiderworm2: it should list all available sources in the list below.

[20:53:24]

directhex:

library/media sharing, make sure it's set to detect upnp shares

[20:53:52]

CDev:

directhex: I currently only can play mpg files from a PVR-X50. The HDHomeRun videos don't play because they are .ts files.

[20:54:24]

juski:

sudo nvidia-settings &

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juski:

bullshit!

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directhex:

CDev, aha, therein lies the problem

[20:54:40]

|Torg|:

juski whats wrong?

[20:55:29]

juski:

ubuntu is shite, that's what's wrong

[20:55:33]

CDev:

directhex: one of these days I'll spend the time to find a directshow filter for transport streams. Just haven't been bothered to look yet.

[20:55:46]

directhex:

CDev, haven't managed so far

[20:56:44]

juski:

this is 2007, and users are still expected to edit X config files by hand?!

[20:57:00]

laga:

juski: short answer is: no.

[20:57:02]

laga:

what's wrong?

[20:57:13]

juski:

screw it. they can have my usership when they sort out the simple stuff

[20:57:18]

|Torg|:

juski no, jsut morons like me who put in two video cards and three monitors

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directhex:

laga, no, really, displayconfig-gtk has zero proper support for widescreen. you can't use gutsy on a modern box without hacking xorg.conf

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spiderworm2:

ah... yes, that did it directhex! thanks

[20:58:18]

spiderworm2:

i can browse the albums now, but im guessing WMP didn't add OGG support :) so i cant play them

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laga:

directhex: that'd explain why i didn't get a widescreen res alst night. interesting enough, it worked before the reboot.. maybe i was justso tired that i didn't notice the scaling

[20:58:30]

directhex:

spiderworm2, install the ogg directshow filter then

[20:58:48]

laga:

juski: if you have to enable the nvidia driver, run nvidia-xconfig

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juski:

what's wrong is that having to edit xorg.conf will a load of garbage options is like WHOAH. I mean come on

[20:58:55]

juski:

I did

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laga:

o_O

[20:59:08]

juski:

nothing in the X log about the 2nd monitor

[20:59:11]

directhex:

laga, it's definitely not there. if you pick "1920 x 1200 LCD display" you can only pick 4:3 resolutions

[20:59:16]

laga:

directhex: true.

[20:59:19]

laga:

directhex: file a bug? :)

[20:59:30]

juski:

no mention of the 2nd monitor in nvidia-settings

[20:59:35]

laga:

juski: is it there in nvidia-settings?

[20:59:38]

laga:

oh.

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|Torg|:

hmm mine shows 3

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laga:

juski: only one monitor in the "gpu 0" dropdown menu on the left?

[21:00:12]

juski:

yes

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|Torg|:

on the top, under X server informaiton how may x screens does it say?

[21:00:40]

juski:

roflmao!

[21:00:48]

laga:

are both monitors plugged in? do both provide DDC or whatchamacallit information?

[21:00:49]

juski:

installing nvidia-settings removed nvidia-glx!

[21:00:59]

juski:

and now X won't start

[21:01:02]

juski:

GENIUS!

[21:01:06]

laga:

o_O

[21:01:40]

juski:

and reinstalling nvidia-glx is getting rid of nvidia-settings

[21:01:55]

juski:

nice work shuttleworth

[21:02:01]

directhex:

there's a reason for that though

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laga:

SRSLY

[21:02:37]

directhex:

nvidia-settings is IN nvidia-glx

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|Torg|:

laga EDID?

[21:02:58]

directhex:

or nvidia-glx-new if you have sufficiently recent hardware to require it

[21:03:17]

laga:

i have sufficiently recent hardware to use it, so i installed it

[21:03:36]

juski:

ah but now both my monitors are seen

[21:03:46]

|Torg|:

I have nvidai-glx-config not -new should I install it?

[21:03:54]

directhex:

|Torg|, what's your gfx card?

[21:04:11]

|Torg|:

dual 79000GS

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directhex:

nvidia-glx-new for gf5+

[21:05:06]

directhex:

nvidia-glx-legacy for gf<

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directhex:

nvidia-glx for gf2–6 i think

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juski:

and yay!

[21:05:19]

directhex:

maybe 2–7

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juski:

jesus. talk about putting noobs off

[21:05:36]

directhex:

at any rate, blame nvidia for putting out 3 different versions for different vintages of hardware

[21:05:41]

|Torg|:

ok I installed, rather that restircted deiver instller did, the nvidia-glx pacakge

[21:05:43]

directhex:

juski, noobs with multihead?

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floppyears:

directhex: my video card is gf 7300 le what should I be using ?

[21:06:52]

directhex:

floppyears, hey, whatever you like really. i just needed -new for my office pc to work

[21:07:17]

riddlebox:

$30 a year, is not that bad at all!

[21:07:51]

floppyears:

directhex: ok, yeah I'm using -new, but I didn't know if I should be using another package instead

[21:07:51]

directhex:

to windows, for teh gaming!

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|Torg|:

riddlebox: huh?

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riddlebox:

|Torg|, schedulesdirect

[21:08:59]

alexp789:

willcooke, hiya, i've created the wiki entry, it's called "transcoding into a 3gp video" feel free to have a wonder over there and pull it apart ;-) cheers for you help.

[21:09:15]

|Torg|:

riddlebox: no its $15 for 6 months, there is no 1 year price

[21:09:26]

willcooke:

alexp789, Ah excellent, nice one!

[21:09:52]

riddlebox:

|Torg|, I know, but if I renew it will be 30 for a year

[21:10:13]

gbee:

riddlebox: unless they bring the price down further (which they hope to do) ;)

[21:10:34]

willcooke:

alexp789, Hmmm – not showing up on a search, can you give me a link?

[21:10:35]

riddlebox:

:)

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|Torg|:

juski: now you see why Isaid it wasnt really noob friendly. First it would hng on boot, so I did it no acpi then noapic. Then I coudlnt get video, apparently my 7900 gosnt like the vesa driver. Then I get one blank monitor, that I simply copyd a xorg.conf from antoehr box.

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|Torg|:

this isnt exactly what I call a noobies dream of installing

[21:10:58]

alexp789:

willcooke, yeah its http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Transcod . . . _a_3gp_Video , its on the category page

[21:11:03]

juski:

argghh now I went & enabled desktop effects. WHOOPS

[21:11:11]

|Torg|:

riddlebox: you havnt renewed yet, nobody has, and the stated goal is $20 a year not $30

[21:11:30]

|Torg|:

desktop effects killed my cpu

[21:11:31]

alexp789:

willcooke, remember, first attempt, be kind ;-)

[21:11:39]

willcooke:

alexp789, blimes! Didn't take you long to get to grips with the wiki did it?! :)

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juski:

and now I can login but nothing happens. yay!

[21:12:07]

juski:

oh and the display is only on my small 2nd monitor

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alexp789:

willcooke, i cheated with all the table bits, i coppied the table off userjobs, and then just changed the words! ;-)

[21:12:35]

willcooke:

alexp789, that's not cheating – that's using your noggin'

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riddlebox:

|Torg|, I know, I just bought it today, I heard about the 20, that would be awesome! but 30 is not that bad either

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willcooke:

alexp789, that looks spot on – I just need to try and get ffmpeg compiled with amr!

[21:13:41]

alexp789:

willcooke, cheers, well i'd better be off anyway, its past my bed time and all the brain activity's tired me out! Now i've tried irc i'll definately be back (and next time i won't fiddle with the ping commands!)

[21:13:44]

juski:

trying again. if I don't get it running tonight it's back to windows

[21:13:52]

juski:

life is too damn short for this crap

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willcooke:

alexp789, Later dude

[21:14:21]

juski:

yay logged in & the desktop works. the single desktop

[21:14:25]

alexp789:

willcooke, if it helps i'm using etch, and i've just installed the libamr* packages. Anyway bye all!

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juski:

terminal isn't working

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juski:

jees guys how could it be so easy to break stuff so badly?!

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laga:

juski: what are you using? feisty?

[21:15:52]

juski:

aye

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bsdfox__:

ubuntu is the problem :P

[21:16:27]

juski:

and now – turned off desktop effects completely, restarted gdm – opened a terminal.. nada

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willcooke:

stupid rhythmbox doesnt support the id3v2 comments tag.

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juski:

what the F ?!

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juski:

nil points, ubuntu

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** willcooke sticks with the version he's got **

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juski:

sod it. if the 'most human friendly' linux is this easy to break in real life, they don't need my business

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juski:

back to MS

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bsdfox__:

all you're trying to do is get compiz working?

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bsdfox__:

juski: I agree, go back to windows

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

juski, are you using gutsy? I think there was an update in the last couple of days that broke the terminal.

[21:17:59]

juski:

oh no I got it working. that screwd the box up totally

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bsdfox__:

free software doesn't need critics :P

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juski:

all I want is a free desktop I can use ffs

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juski:

seems feisty really doesn't like my setup at all

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bsdfox__:

ffs?

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juski:

google it

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bsdfox__:

filesystem?

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juski:

gonan give it another shot

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willcooke:

juski, there's always slackware

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juski:

ah so the 'enable desktop effects' thing isn't just the tickboxes. riiiiiiiiiiight

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juski:

unclicking the button fixed the terminal & as if by magic all the windows have the right decoration now

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bsdfox__:

quit complaining and go use windows. with that attitude you won't like linux even if you happen to get the desktop effects working

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floppyears:

juski: what are you up to? setting up a new machine or something ?

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juski:

installed feisty on my desktop machine

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juski:

I tried compiz on the last ubuntu & it was fine apart from mythtv

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juski:

it's got very much worse by the look of things

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floppyears:

ouch

[21:25:34]

juski:

window decorations & borders vanish, terminal doesn't work _at_ _all_

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laga:

ffs

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laga:

why does kpilot insist on restoring my backup to my handheld every time

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juski:

ahh. apparently there's a problem with nvidia-settings & compiz

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juski:

I need to nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24

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juski:

so nice going to have a button to click but .. ;)

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vanquish:

so, i just switched to schedules direct

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vanquish:

my channel names and icons are correct

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vanquish:

but the show descriptions are about 2 channels off

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vanquish:

how do i fix that...?

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bsdfox__:

vanquish: did you run mythfilldatabase with any options?

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bsdfox__:

vanquish: check the settings on SD's website and see if they are right. if they aren't send in a report and they'll fix it. if they are just rerunning mythfilldatabase with the right options will fix it (I can't remember them now, sure they're in the man page or on google)

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vanquish:

bsdfox__: first with no options, then again to fill the icons

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vanquish:

bsdfox__: the channel number/names/icons are correct for each channel

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vanquish:

just the description of whats showing is two channels off...

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vanquish:

it's odd

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bsdfox__:

hmm

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killaz:

hi MythTV

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killaz:

how can I play videos I have on a DVD-RW disc using myth?

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killaz:

I tried a couple of things but no luck.

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bsdfox__:

killaz: install the mythdvd plugin

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AndyCap:

Oh, great. http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/stream/BDA_protect.mspx

[22:04:52]

killaz:

bsdfox__: I have the DVD plugin installed.

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killaz:

bsdfox__: It is not a DVD but some videso avi's on a DVD-RW

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bsdfox__:

oh, maybe install mythvideo and add the path to your dvd drive?

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killaz:

oh ok cool.... do you know what path it is? Cause I tried for example /dev/dvd but that doesn't exist..

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bsdfox__:

depends on your systems setup

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killaz:

bsdfox__: but in the Videos setup it is only possible to put on directory...

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killaz:

bsdfox__: does this mean I need to switch directories everytime?

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bsdfox__:

you can use a colon separated list

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killaz:

on = one*

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GreyFoxx:

killaz: Put symlinks under the one directory or use colons to seperate them in mythvideo

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bsdfox__:

so like "/home/killaz/videos:/mnt/dvd"

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killaz:

bsdfox__: ok cool.... now I have to find out what the path is..

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tjcarter:

Ooh, Apple's got a page for The Dark Knight, but there's no trailer yet =(

[22:18:47]

tjcarter:

just links to ibelieveinharveydent.warnerbros.com, which is pretty dull. More interesting is still ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com

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tjcarter:

ahh I lied, there is a trailer

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cout:

hmm, mythweb was working when I got up this morning, but now it says "database setup error"

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cout:

seems my system rebooted at 11:30am

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directhex:

cout, using a broken network driver like sky2? that causes random reboots

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BULLE:

directhex: i have had no problems with sky2 at all, so i guess it depends on what hardware you have, and the version of the driver

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directhex:

BULLE, the former, not the latter. sky2 requires the card/mobo manufacturer to do some actual work. some companies ae always too busy swallowing phenomenal amounts of cock to do the job properly

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BULLE:

directhex: oh, didnt know that, i have a gigabyte motherboard, and it works ok, never had a problem with it

[22:49:41]

BULLE:

directhex: what is it the card/mobo manufacturer need to do, that they dont need to do with other ethernet solutions ?

[22:50:00]

directhex:

BULLE, my mac at work is fine. my asus board at home is not – nor is someone in this channel's abit

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BULLE:

intresting

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BULLE:

im feeding my mythfrontends over the sky2 interface, so it gets to work quite a bit, and all is fine sofar

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directhex:

BULLE, bad boards will get kernel oopses several times a day under light load

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juski_:

heheheh compiz rocks!

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BULLE:

directhex: jikes

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juski_:

pointlessly, but all the same..

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BULLE:

juski_: compiz or compiz-fusion ?

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directhex:

BULLE, google for "linux sky2", count how many people have nice things to say

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juski_:

compiz-fusion

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BULLE:

directhex: a bit wierd that you dont seem to have such problems in windows, eg lots of people with machines crashing several times a day

[22:52:56]

BULLE:

guess there is some fix available, just not known to the linux developers

[22:53:20]

GreyFoxx:

windows drivers often work around hardware bugs

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GreyFoxx:

it's part of why they don't open the source

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juski_:

hmm mythfrontend doesn't work right in windowed mode

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GreyFoxx:

cause they don;t want people to realize how many work arounds there are and how much stuff the boards are suppose to do is actually being done by the drivers

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brainwreck:

hi

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brainwreck:

what's the status for FIOS and Digital Dish?

[22:58:07]

brainwreck:

thanks

[22:58:15]

brainwreck:

appreciate some help

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brainwreck:

hello?

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brainwreck:

is this working?

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brainwreck:

hello?

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GreyFoxx:

you might have to be a little more specific on what exactly you are asking

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GreyFoxx:

and patient too

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brainwreck:

k :-)

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brainwreck:

FIOS offers TV channels, and Digital Dish also, with which one will MythTV work best?

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brainwreck:

a little offtopic, ATI just release ALL their code. Will MythTV make a LEAP with such information on ATI's wonder TV tunner cards?

[23:00:48]

bsdfox_:

brainwreck: really?

[23:00:52]

GreyFoxx:

I think one of the guys regularly here is using the IPTV recorder to record frm his FIOS cable box. but I don't know what if any problems he has with it

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bsdfox_:

about time :P

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directhex:

ATI haven't released all their code

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GreyFoxx:

brainwreck: They released specs. I haven't seen any code

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GreyFoxx:

brainwreck: And that will help driver writers really, not specifically myth

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directhex:

ATI have released 900 pages of register documentation, and a skeleton 2d driver for radeon hd cards

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brainwreck:

GreyFoxx, for real? They have a link with the documentation

[23:01:56]

GreyFoxx:

briand: Like direct said to a skeleton driver, not to their fglrx drivers :)

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directhex:

brainwreck, they've released register data for 2 cards. they certainly haven't released anything relating to the dreadful framegrabber "tv wonder" cards, and don't need to

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brainwreck:

GreyFoxx, ok I see IPTV. So FIOS doesn't use crazy encryption with their channels?

[23:02:14]

directhex:

since we know how ati wonder cards work: badly

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GreyFoxx:

brainwreck: I don't have direct access to one to really say for sure, but I know a few people have been recording them so I would assume at least not all channels are encrypted

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brainwreck:

I am just afraid that when I pick a TV Tunner I won't record because this and that encryption and what not

[23:03:38]

brainwreck:

I have an idea!! :-))

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** brainwreck googles mythtv+FIOS **

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brainwreck:

LOL

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juski_:

jees! S during playback pauses playback & brings up the EPG!

[23:04:21]

GreyFoxx:

one option will be to record the analog outputs of the stb they provide

[23:04:27]

GreyFoxx:

let it do any decryption and such

[23:05:36]

brainwreck:

maan that's something that confuses me as well, either a tunner is selected for Analog or for Digital, then MythTV will have to be configure with one, therefore missing the rest of the channels

[23:05:43]

brainwreck:

aren't there COMPLETE solutions?

[23:05:49]

brainwreck:

just confused

[23:07:16]

GreyFoxx:

your settop box has composite/svideo outputs ?

[23:07:39]

brainwreck:

settop box meaning from FIOS company?

[23:07:43]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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jafa:

the trick...

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jafa:

get a tuner that can recorded unencrypted QAM and get an analog capture card

[23:09:04]

jafa:

the direct digital quality is great

[23:09:16]

jafa:

if the channel is encrypted then myth will use the analog card

[23:09:37]

brainwreck:

ok so TWO cards?

[23:09:41]

** juski_ downloads blootube-wide **

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jafa:

the analog quality isn't good compared with the qam tuner, but it is a good fallback to get premium channels

[23:10:19]

jafa:

yep

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jafa:

unencrypted qam – http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun

[23:10:32]

GreyFoxx:

Thankfully my analog cards are rarely used:) QAM and firewire get most everything

[23:10:38]

jafa:

for analog the PVR-150 is ok

[23:11:11]

jafa:

it is hard to watch an analog recording directly after watching a 1080i recording :-(

[23:11:12]

brainwreck:

BAD NEWS "For recording HD cable, the best option is to get a HD-DVR from the cable company." from a forum :'-(

[23:11:37]

jafa:

define "best" :-)

[23:11:40]

brainwreck:

the only stuff non-encrypted appears to be local channels, not the kewl ones

[23:12:12]

jafa:

channels – http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels

[23:12:26]

BULLE:

just buy a card that can be equiped with the hardware needed to decode the encrypted channels, stick smartcard you get from cableco in it, and record ?

[23:12:26]

brainwreck:

checking it out

[23:12:53]

jafa:

BULLE – not in the US

[23:13:04]

BULLE:

jafa: don you have something called cablecard or whatever ?

[23:13:13]

brainwreck:

now what's the $$$ range of these cards? One that'll make full-fledge use of MythTV?

[23:13:15]

BULLE:

jafa: but you are right, i have no clue how things works in the us, im european

[23:13:21]

GreyFoxx:

BULLE: Which is not linux supported

[23:13:50]

GreyFoxx:

brainwreck: You cna pay as little as $10 on ebay to hundreds

[23:13:50]

jafa:

in the US you have to get CableLabs certification... to do that you have to prove end-to-end ecnryption (including to the monitor)

[23:13:52]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: do you need special software support for it ? thought it was like with the premiu, dvb cards, you just insert the cablecard and smartcard, and the actualy tvtuner card takes care of the rest

[23:13:57]

GreyFoxx:

It dependso n your specific requirements

[23:14:15]

GreyFoxx:

BULLE: It requires software support too

[23:14:17]

BULLE:

jafa: ouch

[23:14:38]

BULLE:

GreyFoxx: i see

[23:14:40]

brainwreck:

ok

[23:14:43]

brainwreck:

I see

[23:14:45]

jafa:

The certification is for the entire PC – you can't buy a cablecard-tuner without buying an entire PC (running Vista) that was certified

[23:14:53]

brainwreck:

got a couple ppl interested on this type of thingy

[23:15:05]

bsdfox_:

brainwreck: I'd recommend getting a pvr-150 for ~$50

[23:15:06]

BULLE:

jafa: ouch again

[23:15:23]

bsdfox_:

it'll work on just about any modern system and keep your loads low so you can transcode still

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brainwreck:

alternatively just search your favorite program/show/documentary on torrents!!

[23:15:40]

brainwreck:

lol

[23:16:06]

BULLE:

brainwreck: its a bit sad when that is the only solution, and there is no legal solution

[23:16:12]

rushfan_:

How can I regenerate my mythconverg database? Running the set-up script?

[23:16:35]

jafa:

BULLE – it gets worse... according to the standard you have to provide the exact UI as if it was a cable box. TiVo had to fight to get a special exception

[23:16:36]

BULLE:

i must admit i had to fiddle around quite a bit, in order to find the right dvb card and cam for my cableprovider, but now it all works, with the cableco provided smartcard etc

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brainwreck:

is just sad how 99% of the manufacturers create their hardware around <insert expletive word here> m$$$

[23:17:09]

jafa:

the HDHomeRun was first designed/released for Linux

[23:17:19]

jafa:

(specifically MythTV)

[23:17:26]

brainwreck:

jafa, I am looking at it, looks nice

[23:17:33]

BULLE:

jafa: he, so they force some inferior ui onto the customers, thats just pretty retarded, i mean, ok, if they have some realy draconian requirements for a fully encrypted digital parth etc, but how the darn app appears to the user, that should be up to the manufacturer

[23:18:09]

jafa:

the offical excuse is to reduce the tech support problems when the customer calls up the cable provider

[23:18:10]

brainwreck:

is a Geforce 8800 and two core ok?

[23:18:26]

BULLE:

brainwreck: for what ?

[23:18:39]

brainwreck:

for the box running MythTV

[23:19:03]

BULLE:

i would say that a gf8800 is just a waste of electricity

[23:19:09]

brainwreck:

lol

[23:19:25]

BULLE:

nvidia doesnt support any of the advanced video acceleration features of the gf8800 in linux

[23:19:38]

directhex:

brainwreck, it's enormous overkill for myth

[23:19:46]

BULLE:

so, if you intend to only run mythtv on it, and not boot windows to play games i suspect, then the gf8800 is imho just a waste of money

[23:20:00]

brainwreck:

oh... I thought it need some powerful Graphic card

[23:20:02]

directhex:

brainwreck, a dual core cpu is good if you want to watch h264 HD material. graphicswise, a 7300le is enough

[23:20:15]

directhex:

brainwreck, even a fx5200 is enough, if you have agp

[23:20:31]

Yahooadam:

and if u can get the card ;)

[23:21:09]

fryfrog:

shucks, i watch plain HD on a 3200+ w/ GF6100

[23:21:12]

fryfrog:

or 6200?

[23:21:36]

fryfrog:

but it *barely* does h264 playback, wouldn't watch that on it

[23:21:46]

directhex:

you need more than fryfrog's rig for h264

[23:21:55]

rushfan_:

If my database is blank, and I want to add channels and listings information from an XML file, will mythfilldatabase --update --file 1 -1 /home/greg/xmltv.xml work?

[23:21:56]

fryfrog:

yar, for surzies :)

[23:22:04]

Yahooadam:

sigh

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Yahooadam:

my mythtv keeps messing up

[23:22:13]

fryfrog:

but probably not a *lot* more

[23:22:19]

BULLE:

just get a core 2 duo, with 4mb cache and 2ghz speed, and the h264 playback will be ok!

[23:22:25]

Yahooadam:

there are glitches in the video (like stripes accross the screen)

[23:22:34]

directhex:

BULLE, not until threaded playback gets into trunk it won't

[23:22:34]

fryfrog:

some gf6200 ( or 7100 ) and an X2 / Core 2 duo would probably do it

[23:22:38]

Yahooadam:

and occationally the video gets like 3 seconds ahead of the audio

[23:22:57]

fryfrog:

directhex: dual core will still help, gives you one core for decoding and the other for what ever

[23:23:08]

directhex:

fryfrog, still not enough power

[23:23:08]

BULLE:

the rest

[23:23:11]

fryfrog:

directhex: and of course, even the "slowest" dual cores are still very fast each

[23:23:15]

directhex:

fryfrog, you underestimate what h264 requires

[23:23:27]

brainwreck:

why not AMD?

[23:23:33]

fryfrog:

if i don't try to pause or ffwd, my amd 3200+ plays it

[23:23:35]

directhex:

brainwreck, intel is much faster?

[23:23:41]

BULLE:

brainwreck: intel is faster currently

[23:23:43]

juski_:

Yahooadam: no projectgrayhem-osd screenshots eh? www.juski.co.uk/screenshots/pgosd1.png

[23:23:53]

fryfrog:

faster and more expensive :(

[23:23:59]

Yahooadam:

lmao juski

[23:24:01]

BULLE:

brainwreck: i guess if you wait a couple of months, until the new amd cpu is out, that might very well be the thing to get, but its not out until when, after christmas ?

[23:24:09]

brainwreck:

err... I last I check Barcelona beat the crap outta intel

[23:24:11]

fryfrog:

the 6000+ X2 is about the same price as a similar or slower intel cpu

[23:24:17]

directhex:

brainwreck, you'd be wrong

[23:24:25]

Yahooadam:

juski, you have interesting tastes

[23:24:30]

BULLE:

brainwreck: with the speeds it shipps in right now, thats a no

[23:24:33]

Yahooadam:

cartoon and .... pr0n ?

[23:24:44]

brainwreck:

mm...

[23:24:46]

brainwreck:

k

[23:24:57]

BULLE:

fryfrog: around here ( sweden ) the core 2 duo, midrange cpus, are VERY competitively priced

[23:25:00]

juski_:

btw your case badges are in the post :)

[23:25:13]

fryfrog:

ah, maybe it has been a while since i looked at cpu prices

[23:25:17]

Yahooadam:

:s

[23:25:22]

directhex:

barcelona still has much lower FLOPs per core per GHz than intel. it's a bit better than clovertown for memory bandwidth, but it's still a slow CPU

[23:25:26]

fryfrog:

i'm no amd or intel fanboy, i'm a fan of performance / dollar :)

[23:25:44]

Yahooadam:

giving them away free now juski ? :p

[23:25:53]

brainwreck:

and ps3 is outta the question since it only has 256 RAM?

[23:26:08]

Yahooadam:

for HD or SD ?

[23:26:09]

directhex:

anyway, i'm completely unable to play the h264 broadcast samples on my office pc (core 2 duo t7400) or home pc (athlon fx 55)

[23:26:15]

juski_:

Yahooadam: it's not you? nevermind then

[23:26:18]

brainwreck:

could be interesting running MythTV on a cell

[23:26:31]

directhex:

brainwreck, not out of the question, but you need a lightweight distro. and to use mythtv trunk, which has ps3 optimizations

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brainwreck:

w00t

[23:26:49]

Yahooadam:

juski_ – i dont have any case badges on my computer, i dont really plan on adding mythtv ones

[23:26:53]

directhex:

brainwreck, ps3 linux has no access to the gra[hics card, which is a major bottleneck

[23:26:58]

BULLE:

biggest problem with ps3 as i understand it, is the lack of anything but a framebuffer device

[23:27:17]

directhex:

BULLE, someone's porting all the things that would usually be done with Xv onto libspe2

[23:27:28]

Yahooadam:

brainwreck, im running mythtv on an xbox, which has 64mb ram

[23:27:30]

directhex:

BULLE, they've done all the color conversion so far, but not scaling

[23:27:36]

brainwreck:

pretty useless to use PS3 with framebuffer LOL

[23:27:40]

BULLE:

directhex: ah, ok, but its still a bit silly, as the darn hardware is there

[23:28:33]

directhex:

anyway, if you can't smoothly play http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=./bbc.hd.ts you need a faster box

[23:29:06]

Yahooadam:

that test is fudged directhex :p

[23:29:18]

directhex:

Yahooadam, whyso?

[23:29:40]

Yahooadam:

i cant get it to play atall well on my computer lol

[23:29:48]

Yahooadam:

prolly codec issues tbh

[23:29:54]

directhex:

Yahooadam, you need a MUCH faster box!

[23:30:05]

Yahooadam:

Opty 185, dual core, 2.6ghz, 2gb ram

[23:30:22]

directhex:

Yahooadam, too slow!

[23:30:22]

Yahooadam:

unless your talking about the best computer out atm, thats very high end

[23:30:24]

brainwreck:

just for the heck of it, has anyone set up MythTV with a UltraSparc T1?

[23:30:56]

directhex:

brainwreck, backend would be fine. frontend would suffer from lack of decent graphics

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rushfan:

Can I get a dump of somebodies mythconverg.program? I just need to names of the columns

[23:32:43]

rushfan:

so I can recreate the table

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directhex:

rushfan, look at mc.sql or whatever it's called, which comes with myth

[23:33:07]

bsdfox_:

my 3ghz core duo w/ 2gb ram can play it

[23:33:09]

juski_:

wtf do you need that for?

[23:33:11]

bsdfox_:

barely :P

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rushfan:

directhex: it doesnt say anything about the tables

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directhex:

bsdfox_, in sync?

[23:33:28]

rushfan:

It just creates the database :|

[23:33:37]

bsdfox_:

yeah

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rushfan:

directhex: can you pastebin your mc.sql if it has more info?

[23:33:54]

juski_:

mc.sql creates the database

[23:33:59]

juski_:

that's all

[23:33:59]

bsdfox_:

juski: it's just an overclocked e6300

[23:34:05]

juski_:

bsdfox_: no not that

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rushfan:

juski_: where can I see the columns of mythconverg.program?

[23:34:14]

juski_:

rushfan: wtf do you need the table structure for?

[23:34:25]

rushfan:

juski_: because my table got trashed

[23:34:43]

rushfan:

as in it no longer exists

[23:35:17]

BULLE:

directhex: my mythbox seems to be able to play that h264 stream ok

[23:35:26]

BULLE:

directhex: its an core2duo at 2.66ghz

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brainwreck:

was it dual core or Core 2 Duo?

[23:36:01]

BULLE:

core 2 duo

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juski_:

http://www.pastebin.ca/703981

[23:36:02]

directhex:

brainwreck, what's the difference?

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directhex:

BULLE, using what player?

[23:36:16]

BULLE:

damn, now i want to watch the kill bill movies again

[23:36:25]

BULLE:

directhex: whatever mythvideo defaults to

[23:36:42]

** BULLE just clicked with the remote **

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fysa:

Yahooadam: You will need to get that to/over 3GHz to play a 1080p H264 properly.

[23:36:58]

juski_:

rushfan: http://www.pastebin.ca/703981

[23:37:01]

brainwreck:

somthing like this DUAL CORE 3.0GHZ 800FSB PROCESSOR LGA 775

[23:37:28]

BULLE:

brainwreck: no, avoid that one, thats a p4

[23:37:32]

rushfan:

junski: ty

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BULLE:

it should say core 2 duo on it

[23:38:04]

BULLE:

around here the e6850 is decently priced

[23:38:35]

BULLE:

its one of those i use, but i run it at 2.66hz instead

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BULLE:

because my motherboard doesnt support the 1333fsb

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brainwreck:

ok

[23:39:04]

iamben:

why on earth did they name the last cpu BEFORE core architecture, core duo?

[23:39:07]

BULLE:

but, the 3ghz 6850 is way cheaper then the 2.66ghz 1066mhs fsb e6600 that my motherboard can handle

[23:39:17]

BULLE:

iamben: now thats a good question

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brainwreck:

did you said 2MB of cache or 4MB?

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directhex:

iamben, erm, core is core microarchitecture

[23:39:42]

BULLE:

4

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bsdfox_:

BULLE: better to get a 1066 strap cpu then overclock it :) higher multipliers are nice

[23:39:49]

directhex:

iamben, so is pentium-m really

[23:40:08]

BULLE:

bsdfox_: im not much for overclocking, it doesnt save me much money

[23:40:10]

iamben:

directhex: i was under the impression that those are netburst architecture

[23:40:14]

BULLE:

bsdfox_: i just buy the darn cpu i want instead

[23:40:16]

directhex:

iamben, you're wrong

[23:40:22]

brainwreck:

they are expensive ATM

[23:40:24]

directhex:

iamben, pentium-d is the last netburst series

[23:40:30]

iamben:

wikipedia me please

[23:40:31]

directhex:

iamben, or xeon 50xx chips

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BULLE:

avoid pentium-d !!!!

[23:40:37]

bsdfox_:

I spent $170 on my cpu over a year ago.. and it's a 3ghz core duo now

[23:40:40]

directhex:

iamben, fuck wikipedia, it's my job to know this shit

[23:40:56]

iamben:

you are the intel?

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brainwreck:

BULLE, lol, I keep that in mind

[23:41:10]

bsdfox_:

xeon 32xx also

[23:41:17]

directhex:

i work for a supercomputing center. cpu microarchitecture is something we need to know

[23:41:22]

BULLE:

iamben: we are the intel yes, resistance is futile

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** BULLE just tend to read the cpu reviews on some newssites **

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brainwreck:

bsdfox_, so whta kinda performance does that CPU give you with MythTV?

[23:42:11]

iamben:

directhex: i dont wanna start a big thing here, but wikipedia agrees w/ me on this

[23:42:20]

fysa:

Yonah is NOT Netburst.

[23:42:27]

iamben:

and i remember reading ALL about this when core1's came out

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Slyboots:

Hmm.. IS there any way to make MythGame.. .. uh.. Not suck?

[23:42:34]

fysa:

Yonah = first Core Solo/Duo.

[23:42:38]

bsdfox_:

brainwreck: I just have it setup as a frontend. it's my main desktop.. backend is an a64 3200+ which works fine

[23:42:48]

directhex:

fysa, thank you, i was about to say this

[23:42:48]

fysa:

it's from the Pentium M line.

[23:42:57]

brainwreck:

bsdfox_, ok thanks

[23:43:07]

fysa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core

[23:43:13]

GreyFoxx:

Slyboots: by maybe saying what exactly you are having problems with ?

[23:43:28]

bsdfox_:

brainwreck: I don't capture high def though

[23:43:45]

fysa:

"The Intel Core Duo's inclusion of two highly-efficient cores on one chip can provide better performance than a Pentium NetBurst core, but with much better power-efficiency."

[23:43:59]

iamben:

fysa: but those are not core microarch, correct?

[23:44:10]

directhex:

christ on a bike

[23:44:15]

iamben:

core microarch starts with core2

[23:44:21]

directhex:

iamben, NO IT FUCKING DOESn@T

[23:44:30]

directhex:

jesus h christ

[23:44:36]

fysa:

..

[23:44:36]

iamben:

please, give me information, not profanity!

[23:44:39]

fysa:

"64-bit x86 CPUs based on the Intel Core microarchitecture, which derived from the 32-bit dual-core Yonah laptop processor."

[23:44:48]

fysa:

Sorry.

[23:44:49]

fysa:

"The Core 2 brand refers to a range of Intel's consumer dual-core and quad-core (2x2) 64-bit x86 CPUs based on the Intel Core microarchitecture, which derived from the 32-bit dual-core Yonah laptop processor."

[23:45:01]

fysa:

Core 2 – derived from Yonah = Core Solo/Duo/Pentium M

[23:45:21]

directhex:

fysa, pentium-m was banias/dothan

[23:45:22]

iamben:

this sums up my point: "The Intel Core processors do not use the Core microarchitecture."

[23:45:41]

iamben:

that is directly from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_microarchitecture

[23:45:41]

fysa:

"later" Pentium M, directhex, sorry.

[23:46:27]

fysa:

The Core microarchitecture is branding for revised Yonah core.

[23:46:53]

brainwreck:

guys stop squabbling with each other, 45 nano CPU comming in January

[23:46:56]

directhex:

based on the short pipeline design brought in with pentium-m

[23:47:04]

directhex:

brainwreck, whoopie.

[23:47:15]

fysa:

They couldn't go back to calling it "Pentium" anything. They needed a new cool word for it, because they effectively killed the Pentium line by getting behind Netburst.

[23:47:45]

fysa:

it's basically "Super Yonah." :P

[23:47:50]

directhex:

pentium 4 hit a pipeline length of something mad like 34 stage

[23:47:58]

directhex:

pentium-m was around 14 iirc

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directhex:

long pipeline is efficient for predicatble tasks like media encoding, but collapses when branch prediction fails, e.g. for anything else

[23:48:24]

brainwreck:

Santa Rosa?

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Slyboots:

Hm, Shit will have to discuss it later Im afraid

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kisp:

Can someone help me with an SQL-query; how can i show all fields named 'chanid' with the value 1000 from all the tables in the mythconverg database?

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rushfan:

juski_: sorry is there anyway you can dump a .sql file from your database to generate that table? I mimicked the layout but Im haivng primary key issues

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directhex:

sod it, i'm going to bed

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juski_:

rushfan: dunno. I'm off to bed now anyway

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rushfan:

ok

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juski_:

g'night all

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rushfan:

anyone know how can I make mythtv regenerate my database structure?

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GreyFoxx:

rushfan: drop all tables (or just the entire database and create a blank mythconverg) then restart one of the myth apps

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rushfan:

GreyFoxx: like mythbackend?

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GreyFoxx:

though you might want to do a mysqldump first if there is something in there you want to keep

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GreyFoxx:

rush that woulddo it

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rushfan:

k

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rushfan:

GreyFoxx: no there was nothing in there to keep

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brainwreck:

w00t!!! Metal Gear Solid 4 will make buy PS3!!

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laga:

GreyFoxx: i think it told you about my problems with the S100 – recent kernels would create display distortion. it's fixed in 2.6.23-rc7

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