Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, September 18th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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iamben:

anyone know what this means? "ivtv0: Encoder mailbox not found"

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juski:

and the latter

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juski:

if any shows have moved in the schedule myth will reschedule them

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tjcarter:

ivtv is secretly spyware sending off your sekrit information about your BT habits to the MPAA/RIAA

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juski:

tjcarter: so you shouldn't BT anyway

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Yahooadam:

how do i find the version of xmltv installed

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Yahooadam:

i think mines ooold

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tjcarter:

and it can't figure out how to actually send said sekrit data to MPAA/RIAA

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tjcarter:

juski: absolutely. Embrace DRM. Avoid evile pie-rate projects like MythTV!

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** tjcarter trolls =D **

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jarle:

juski: I'm trying to figure out why I suddenly have a lot of blank programs in my EPG, so I have turned off EIT scanning to see if I can narrow down the problem...

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my2keh:

I've seen a few people with EIT problems lately

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my2keh:

what the hell is sekrit?

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Yahooadam:

nn juski

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jarle:

My problem have manifested it in this way: I grab EPG for a week and schedule recordings, when the time to execute the recording comes suddenly the program data is not in the listings, and the program is not recorded :(

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Yahooadam:

atleast u can get epg data jarle

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Yahooadam:

mine seems to crash and burn

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iamben:

mine works perfectly

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jarle:

Yahooadam: xmltv or EIT?

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iamben:

unfortunately i broke my tv tuner somehow!

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Yahooadam:

xmltv

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Yahooadam:

it gets to e4 ish, produces an error that i see

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Yahooadam:

then chugs away 100% cpu for however long

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Yahooadam:

and if u stop it it corrupts the database

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jarle:

Yahooadam: which grabber?

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Yahooadam:

radio times

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Yahooadam:

ive done mythfilldatabase -v all

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Yahooadam:

so i can see where its choking

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Yahooadam:

i dont think its helped my my xmltv being out of date

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Yahooadam:

but i cant work out how to see the version of it

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jarle:

Yahooadam: --version

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Yahooadam:

yeah but what command, its not like u can do xmltv --version

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jarle:

tv_grab_uk_rt --version

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jarle:

$ tv_grab_uk_rt --version

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jarle:

XMLTV module version 0.5.44

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jarle:

This is tv_grab_uk_rt.in version 1.91, 2006/06/09 23:22:08

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Yahooadam:

ive got the same as u

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Yahooadam:

but the latest version of xmltv is 0.5.48

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jarle:

this seems to be working OK here (runs just fine anyway, haven't done a lot to check the quality of the listings yet)

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jarle:

Yahooadam: I know...

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my2keh:

EIT is working OK here

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Yahooadam:

and tv_grab_uk_rt is 1.99

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cout:

for future reference: "perform EIT scan" is a bad idea if your local channels broadcast "DTV Program" for every show

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jd86:

Hey, I'm trying to figure out where some blurry/boxy stuff is coming from. I recently got a projector... and took a less than high end (with a i810 video) frontend and hooked it up (because it is small). When fast moving things (like oh say running people) are on the screen they appear to have blurry boxes... if I was viewing on a TV it wouldn't be too noticible... is this because of the poor video, or backend settings for quality (these ar

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jd86:

e pvr-150s) poor cable signal or something else?

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ol_schoola:

the higher the resolution display you use to view mpeg-2 sd material, the more apparent the artifacts will be as the display scales it

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ol_schoola:

if you transcode after capture, that further exacerbates the problem

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jarle:

exacerbates <- is that a word? :)

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Shmattie:

Anyone know a URL for instructions on changing the settings for QT menus to opengl via mysql cli?

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Yahooadam:

yes it is jarle :p

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Yahooadam:

whether u spelt it right is another question

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Yahooadam:

adam@DataServer1:~/xmltv-0.5.48$ tv_grab_uk_rt --version

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Yahooadam:

XMLTV module version 0.5.48

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Yahooadam:

This is tv_grab_uk_rt.in version 1.99, 2007/08/04 23:47:13

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ARfdee:

help

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ARfdee:

how do i get my listings back?

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Yahooadam:

what error are u getting ?

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my2keh:

any idea how to get google bot to screw off of my mythweb?

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my2keh:

lol

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Yahooadam:

jarle, apparently there are important fixes for the UK grabber in the newer versions of XMLTV

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Yahooadam:

its actually pretty easy to install

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Yahooadam:

robots.txt file my2keh

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cout:

how do I keep mythtv from running mythcommflag?

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ARfdee:

my listings all say NO DATA

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cout:

I don't have enough memory to run it :(

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Yahooadam:

dont let it commflag programs you record cout

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my2keh:

robots.txt eh?

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my2keh:

gotcha

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Yahooadam:

what were u doing at the time ARfdee

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Yahooadam:

did u come home and it was broken or what ?

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ARfdee:

no, the listings stopped being free:)

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Yahooadam:

not much i can help u with then

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Yahooadam:

start using schedules direct or try and type it all in by hand

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Yahooadam:

(p.s. i am not repsonsible for any personal injury if you type it in by hand)

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cout:

yahoo: is it possible to make that the default?

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Yahooadam:

i suspect so

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Yahooadam:

as to your next question, i dont know ;)

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Yahooadam:

cout, if you use mythweb, look for AutoCommercialFlag

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Yahooadam:

or u can edit the sql database directly if you feel like it

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propagandhi:

gday people, can anyone enlighten me as to how to make the linux box shutdown when mythtv frontend is exited. At the moment mine just returns to the kde desktop

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jarle:

Yahooadam: I was a bit surprised to see that Zone Reality was not included in the uk_rt grabber, I thought this channel was among the default channels in the UK?

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ARfdee:

hi, how do i tell mythtv to use schedulesdirect?

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Yahooadam:

ARfdee, do u have 0.20.2

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cout:

is it better to render with opengl or xv? what are the pros and cons?

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Yahooadam:

jarle, its there

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Yahooadam:

in the newer versions atleast

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ARfdee:

mythtv-0.20.2–165.fc7

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my2keh:

buh bye google!

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my2keh:

how the heck did it even find me!

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my2keh:

lol

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Yahooadam:

ARfdee, in your video source, you should have an option for SD

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Yahooadam:

in mythtv-setu

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Yahooadam:

setup #

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Yahooadam:

have u signed up on SD's site yet ? $15/6mon

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propagandhi:

anybody have any idea for me?

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jarle:

Yahooadam: ahhh! A good reason for me to update grabber, as Zone REality is one of my favourite channels among the UK-ones...

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ARfdee:

k

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Yahooadam:

jarle, its very easy

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Yahooadam:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39046

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Yahooadam:

download the linux package

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Yahooadam:

unzip it wherever

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my2keh:

ack

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my2keh:

google is back!

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my2keh:

screw off. that robot.txt

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my2keh:

didn't work

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Yahooadam:

perl Makefile.PL – make – sudo make test – sudo make install

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Yahooadam:

is it scanning u ?

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my2keh:

yes

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my2keh:

66.249.70.219 – - [17/Sep/2007:20:39:16 -0400] "GET /mythweb/tv/recorded?delete=yes&chanid=3201&starttime=1190592000 HTTP/1.1" 302 1 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"

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my2keh:

User-agent: Googlebot

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my2keh:

Disallow: /

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jarle:

my2keh: so your not behind a firewall then?

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my2keh:

in /var/www/robots.txt

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Yahooadam:

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/ . . . p;topic=8846

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my2keh:

uhh firewall on my router I guess

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my2keh:

yes, I followed that

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Yahooadam:

not sure if it will work in /var/www

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my2keh:

where do you suggest?

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Yahooadam:

"The robots.txt file must reside in the root of the domain and must be named "robots.txt". A robots.txt file located in a subdirectory isn't valid, as bots only check for this file in the root of the domain. For instance, http://www.example.com/robots.txt is a valid location. But, http://www.example.com/mysite/robots.txt is not."

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jarle:

my2keh: then google should not be able to connect to your webserver unless you have opened up port 80...

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my2keh:

I opened up port 81

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Yahooadam:

he probably has so he can setup his listings AFH

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my2keh:

what's the point of myth web, if you can't use it from THE WEB

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my2keh:

heh

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Yahooadam:

cos its easier to use then the build in stuff in mythtv :p

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jarle:

my2keh: Then you should password protect your mythweb...

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Yahooadam:

my2keh – how do u access it, did u setup a domain ?

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my2keh:

hmm I thought I had it enabled, the password that is

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Yahooadam:

like www.my2keh.com – and that links to mythweb ?

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my2keh:

uhh yeah, I use dyndns

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Yahooadam:

does it link to mythweb, or do u add that

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Yahooadam:

is it www.my2keh.com or www.my2keh.com/mythweb

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my2keh:

uhh /mythweb

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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my2keh:

but the index.php page links to mythweb

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my2keh:

from knoppmyth

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Yahooadam:

./var/www should work then

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my2keh:

I guess I could blow it away

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Yahooadam:

can u read it

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my2keh:

yeah, if I browse to /robots.txt

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Yahooadam:

if you goto www.my2keh.com/robots.txt

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my2keh:

i see it

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

well id wait and see, google may have already had u in a list to scan

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iamben:

i think i figured out what was wrong w/ my tv card

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Yahooadam:

it may not pick up on the robots file instantly

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iamben:

it came unplugged from the pci slot =)

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Yahooadam:

do u play football with ure comp or somthing :S

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my2keh:

maybe I will shutoff mythweb for a while

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my2keh:

then it'll move on

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Yahooadam:

wow

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iamben:

i did trip over it the other night and cut my shin

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Yahooadam:

mythfilldatabase is having a field trip

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iamben:

maybe thats when it happened

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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ARfdee:

what's with schedulesdirect?

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ARfdee:

it doesn't even say how to pay

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Yahooadam:

how can i tell if my server knows its dual core ?

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Yahooadam:

ARfdee – goto the sign up bit at the bottom left

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iamben:

Yahooadam: if you 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' it should list 2 cpus

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Yahooadam:

cpu cores : 2

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propagandhi:

anybody at all have a quick answer for me on how to make the whole box shutdown when mythtv is exited, rather than dumping me back to the desktop

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Yahooadam:

yeah it knows, kewl :)

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ARfdee:

i signed up

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ARfdee:

but it mentioned nothing about how to pay

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Yahooadam:

u get 7 days free

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Yahooadam:

didnt u have to enter some details for ure credit card or sommin ?

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ARfdee:

nope

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Yahooadam:

weird

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ARfdee:

im getting this

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ARfdee:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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ARfdee:

Connecting to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com|206.18.98.175|:80... connected.

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ARfdee:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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Yahooadam:

looks like the page is broken then

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iamben:

propagandhi: instead of starting it with "mythfrontend", start it with "mythfrontend && init 0"?

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Yahooadam:

or u did somthing wrong

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propagandhi:

iamben: ok i will give that a shot thanks for the response

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propagandhi:

iamben: ok that did not work

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ARfdee:

ah this SUX

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ARfdee:

TTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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ARfdee:

Connecting to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com|206.18.98.175|:80... connected.

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ARfdee:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error

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ARfdee:

19:54:43 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.

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ARfdee:

how do i get lineups?

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my2keh:

sounds like it's down

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my2keh:

check the forum

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ARfdee:

is it working for anyone else?

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propagandhi:

iamben: ok the user that is launching mythtv doesn't have permission to shutdown, and with sudo naturally i have to provide the password after

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Yahooadam:

propagandhi – give it permission then

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Yahooadam:

if you go into mythfrontend, theres an option somewhere for the shutdown command

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propagandhi:

Yahooadam: is there a way to only give permission to the shutdown command without giving root level privileges

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Yahooadam:

could be somthing like /sbin/halt

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Yahooadam:

then do sudo chmod 777 /sbin/halt

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Yahooadam:

and then u can shutdown as any user

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propagandhi:

Yahooadam: ok, no worries

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Yahooadam:

?

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Yahooadam:

jeez mythfilldatabase is still goin

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duerF:

propagandhi, sudo has a NOPASSWD feature

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Yahooadam:

not that i recommend that atall

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ARfdee:

what do i dooooooooo

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duerF:

Yahooadam, if it's only for /sbin/halt, it's fine

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duerF:

I guess you could also go for "chmod u+s /sbin/halt"

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duerF:

then halt is always run as the root user

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Yahooadam:

which is basically what i said :p

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Yahooadam:

oh

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duerF:

Yahooadam, not really, "chmod 2755 /sbin/halt" is more like it

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propagandhi:

well

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propagandhi:

even if i chmod 777 the halt or the shutdown command

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propagandhi:

it still says i need to be root

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duerF:

propagandhi, 2755

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Staticwave_Ace:

hello all, I'm having an odd issue of LiveTV hanging at the transition between "programs"

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Staticwave_Ace:

the frontend reports "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times."

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propagandhi:

duerF: same result sadly

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Staticwave_Ace:

numerous times

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propagandhi:

i am running mythfrontend && /sbin/shutdown -h now OR /sbin/halt

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propagandhi:

and no matter what it says i must be root

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Tapout:

anyone know how to get the IRBlaster on a media center remote working?

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kslater:

any dvb-t guys hanging around?

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Yahooadam:

allways

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kslater:

I'm getting an unable to query frontend error when I try to run dvbscan from linuxtv-dvb-apps

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propagandhi:

Tapout: is the IR Receiver USB

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Yahooadam:

:o

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kslater:

don't remember having to jump through these hoops with FC4, FC6 doesn't seem to want to let me scan

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Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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Yahooadam:

@ tapout

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propagandhi:

so guys

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propagandhi:

any other way of me shutting this thing down without making a root user

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Tapout:

propagandhi, yes

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propagandhi:

Tapout: and can u find it registered say on an event interface

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my2keh:

did you try chmod +s /sbin/shutdown

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propagandhi:

like /dev/input/event4 or other

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my2keh:

then using shutdown

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propagandhi:

my2keh: i will

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my2keh:

then try shutdown

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propagandhi:

my2keh: THATS THE TICKET

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Tapout:

i've got .. event0..5,mice,mouse0,mouse1

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propagandhi:

Tapout:

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propagandhi:

try this

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Tapout:

k

[01:11:47]

my2keh:

no problemo

[01:11:54]

my2keh:

google is your friend

[01:11:58]

propagandhi:

cat /dev/input/event0

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my2keh:

the first link http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=shutd . . . 22&meta=

[01:12:03]

propagandhi:

and then point the remote and push buttons

[01:12:09]

propagandhi:

and do this on every event interface

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ARfdee:

mannnnnn

[01:12:14]

ARfdee:

is lineups down for other people?

[01:12:22]

propagandhi:

until u see the garbled output every time u press a button

[01:12:22]

my2keh:

damn I coulda used the i'm feeling lucky button

[01:12:50]

propagandhi:

my2keh: thanks muchly, and you too Yahooadam and duerF

[01:13:41]

Yahooadam:

propagandhi ... hes talking about an IR blaster

[01:13:45]

Yahooadam:

not an IR reciever

[01:13:47]

propagandhi:

ahhh

[01:13:58]

propagandhi:

woops, sorry

[01:14:13]

propagandhi:

i did ask however was it an USB IR Receiver

[01:14:16]

propagandhi:

my mistake

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Tapout:

ah ok ..

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Tapout:

i'm reading that url yahoo gave me, thanks guys

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Tapout:

also, i'm using the nvidia drivers for my geforce4 card with svideo out. I've tried to enable it insode System->Administration->Display .. but it won't let me change any settings, it disabled teh "ok" button.. it must be forcing me to use the nvidia software but I can't find it .. anyone know ?

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Yahooadam:

somthing like nvidia-config in the terminal

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Slyboots:

Hello

[01:17:58]

Slyboots:

well, After many days I've managed to build a basic mythfrontend on my mac..

[01:18:03]

defaultro:

hey folks, off topic questin again :)

[01:18:06]

Slyboots:

And now its *too* modern.. lol!

[01:18:58]

defaultro:

how do I setup my own business name? It's only me.

[01:19:36]

defaultro:

does it cost something to register a business name?

[01:20:15]

Slyboots:

.. No idea

[01:20:42]

Yahooadam:

u didnt even specify your country ;)

[01:21:18]

defaultro:

i'm here in IL, US

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defaultro:

sorry

[01:21:30]

kslater:

found my own answer thanks to MythDora – wrong dvb-apps package installed

[01:21:32]

Yahooadam:

and did u try to google for it ?

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kslater:

looking for legal advice on a channel for mythtv-users to find help seems like a bad idea to me..

[01:24:53]

Slyboots:

So, how the heck do I update to the latest SVN of myth?

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defaultro:

i'm back

[01:25:19]

defaultro:

ok, I'll just google it

[01:25:21]

defaultro:

:)

[01:25:31]

defaultro:

svn update Sly

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Slyboots:

I've tried that

[01:26:01]

Slyboots:

slyboots@Mythbox:~/mythsrc$ svn update http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

[01:26:04]

Slyboots:

Skipped 'http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv'

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kslater:

did you ever get the source in the first place?

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Slyboots:

I built it from svn source

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Slyboots:

ah right, I had to run it in the source-folder

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** Slyboots was just running in in mythscr, not mythsrc/mythtv **

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kslater:

yes, you have to be in the folder where you want the update to run

[01:27:35]

kslater:

ls -la – you should see a .svn folder

[01:27:49]

kslater:

if you don't subversion isn't controlling that directory

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Slyboots:

yea, its updating it now

[01:28:03]

Tapout:

Anyone using MythTV backend as like a dummy server and then using a windows front end to play the tv?

[01:28:14]

Slyboots:

Will this keep my previous settings and whatnot?

[01:28:45]

Slyboots:

So I just run "make"

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Yahooadam:

wow mythfilldatabase takes an awesome amount of time to run

[01:30:30]

ARfdee:

i just want to retrieve channel line ups:(

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Shmattie:

Anyone know how to change the settings for QT menus to opengl via mysql queries?

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propagandhi:

Shmattie: provided that setting is in the db, why not use something like phpmyadmin to browse and edit

[01:34:56]

kslater:

update settings set data = 'opengl' where value = 'ThemePainter' and hostname = 'whatever.host.you.wanted';

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Shmattie:

kslater, Thanks

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Shmattie:

propagandhi, I didn't know where the setting was in the db or else I would have done that. Thanks for the reponse though.

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kslater:

Shmattie, I always run a query first to make sure that what I'm about to update is really what I want to update. :-)

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CyberKnet:

kslater: a good idea.

[01:37:46]

CyberKnet:

kslater: try explaining to your boss some day that they have to send 30 people to lunch right this minute because you just deleted to 500,000 records that they work on all day and you have to restore from this mornings backup

[01:38:41]

CyberKnet:

not a fun thing to do

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** CyberKnet curses as X fails to load again **

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ARfdee:

help please

[01:39:06]

ARfdee:

Resolving webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com... 206.18.98.175

[01:39:06]

ARfdee:

Connecting to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com|206.18.98.175|:80... connected.

[01:39:06]

ARfdee:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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defaultro:

that's fine ArFdee

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ARfdee:

defaultro: not if im trying to get lineups

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ARfdee:

Connecting to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com|206.18.98.175|:80... connected.

[01:40:06]

ARfdee:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error

[01:40:06]

ARfdee:

20:38:48 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.

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Yahooadam:

ffs mythtv

[01:40:23]

Yahooadam:

why wont it bloody record

[01:40:28]

FunkyELF:

whats up guys, havin problems running mythfilldatabase after trying to switch to schedules direct. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

[01:40:30]

CyberKnet:

ARfdee: look on the schedules direct forum and see if other people are having that issue

[01:40:47]

CyberKnet:

FunkyELF: 401 unauthorized is to be expected.

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defaultro:

Arfdee, are you behind a firewall?

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FunkyELF:

CyberKnet ??? why is that?

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CyberKnet:

because HTTP can't authenticate without getting a 401 Unauthorized to prompt the user agent to send credentials?

[01:42:17]

CyberKnet:

FunkyELF: If you would have paid attention while running the DataDirect version when it still worked you would have seen it there too.

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ARfdee:

defaultro: i am being some routers and a satellite isp

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ARfdee:

i dont see anything on the forums

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defaultro:

can you do this please

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CyberKnet:

FunkyELF: so ... I suggest you focus on the 500 server error and not the 401 Unauthorized ... preferrably by google searching and not by raising trouble for no reason.

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FunkyELF:

CyberKnet, no....it went real quick and did a seg fault after a bunch of 401's

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defaultro:

telnet 206.18.98.175 80

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defaultro:

then type

[01:43:13]

defaultro:

GET / HTTP/1.0

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defaultro:

then press enter twice

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CyberKnet:

FunkyELF: It didn't before Zap2It Labs shut down.

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defaultro:

tell if you will see tons of scrolling messages

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ARfdee:

HTTP/1.0 504 Web Acceleration Client Error (400.3) – Missing Host Field in Request Header

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defaultro:

it worked here

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FunkyELF:

CyberKnet, think I got it working now.....I went back into mythtv-setup and my userid/password wasn't there any more

[01:44:18]

FunkyELF:

CyberKnet, for some reason it didn't stick even though it did retrieve my lineup

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defaultro:

fix your firewall

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ARfdee:

defaultro: http://pastebin.ca/701417

[01:45:06]

defaultro:

let me show you mine

[01:45:17]

ARfdee:

defaultro: did you see my output?

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defaultro:

http://www.nopaste.com/p/airnZiM1I

[01:45:55]

defaultro:

yes, you're not getting connected to the server

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ARfdee:

i had a similar error to this before

[01:46:15]

defaultro:

did you use the same IP i posted, telnet 206.18.98.175 80

[01:46:18]

ARfdee:

with zap2it, and i had to add this to wgetrc

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** CyberKnet wonders if dkms is causing some of his trouble **

[01:46:26]

ARfdee:

http_keep_alive = off

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defaultro:

again, did you use the same ip address I posted?

[01:46:54]

ARfdee:

defaultro: i pasted exactly what you gave me.

[01:47:16]

FunkyELF:

so where does schedules direct get their data from? scraping?

[01:47:32]

defaultro:

so something is wrong along the way

[01:47:36]

defaultro:

could be your firewall

[01:47:39]

defaultro:

could be your proxy

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defaultro:

i don't know how your network is setup

[01:47:51]

ARfdee:

i am behind a router which is connected to a hughesnet satellite for isp

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ARfdee:

man this sucks, the rest of my internet works

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ARfdee:

defaultro: i think that wget thing fixed it before

[01:48:25]

defaultro:

is your ISP doing proxy

[01:48:30]

ARfdee:

but the telnet error is happening independent of wget, obviously

[01:48:49]

defaultro:

why not try, lynx webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com

[01:49:08]

defaultro:

can you tell us what you see if you do that

[01:49:15]

ARfdee:

http status 404

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ARfdee:

the requested resource is not available

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defaultro:

mine is HTTP Status 404 – /

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ARfdee:

haha

[01:49:41]

ARfdee:

mine too

[01:49:43]

defaultro:

then you're good

[01:49:48]

defaultro:

do you see Apache Tomcat/5.5.17

[01:50:11]

ARfdee:

yes

[01:50:26]

defaultro:

well, go back to mythtv-setup and doublecheck your username/password

[01:50:39]

defaultro:

i would also login manually again using your browser to SD

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vallor:

ARfdee: if you browse to your terminal equipment (probably 192.168.0.1), and see if you can turn off the http acceleration

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defaultro:

just to verify if username/password matches

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ARfdee:

vallor: the hughesnet modem offers no options

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vallor:

hmm — I have a D-something 700 up at my rural property, and you can browse to the gateway to get systems status, look at signal strength, and so forth

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ARfdee:

yeah, i can do that

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ARfdee:

but no options to change

[01:52:17]

vallor:

ah, that's the secret

[01:52:27]

vallor:

on the main screen, on the right, in the menu bar

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vallor:

is an icon of a little fat man

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vallor:

(I shit you not)

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ARfdee:

oh

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ARfdee:

i see it

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vallor:

click that to get to advanced settings

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ARfdee:

i never saw that before

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ARfdee:

vallor: uhh, do you happen to have port forwarding working on this ISP?

[01:53:18]

vallor:

after that, you're on your own, 'cuz I don't have one to browse to see what you are looking at

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my2keh:

fucken thing

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vallor:

I haven't tried it yet, but I think I pay extra for a static address

[01:54:01]

my2keh:

now I know what was deleting my shows

[01:54:04]

my2keh:

GOOGLE!!!!

[01:54:05]

vallor:

so port forwarding would make sense

[01:54:06]

my2keh:

piece of crap

[01:54:07]

defaultro:

so vallor, ArFdee's culprit is http accelartion?

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my2keh:

66.249.70.219 – - [17/Sep/2007:21:51:11 -0400] "GET /mythweb/tv/recorded?delete=yes&chanid=3215&starttime=1190242800 HTTP/1.1" 302 1 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"

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my2keh:

notice the delete=yes!

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my2keh:

lol

[01:54:24]

ARfdee:

vallor: well, i don't need a static IP, but i heard only with a static IP can you get access at all

[01:54:33]

vallor:

defaultro: yes, and it also likes to dump ssh connections — I hate it

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defaultro:

k

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ARfdee:

vallor: i used zap2it without a problem

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vallor:

ARfdee: did you change over to the new service?

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ARfdee:

i used it with this isp, i mean

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vallor:

are you getting your listings from schedulesdirect.org?

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ARfdee:

oh noooooooo

[01:56:39]

ARfdee:

it didn't save my channels

[01:56:42]

ARfdee:

from zap2it

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vallor:

ay carumba

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defaultro:

it's simple, just check them again

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ARfdee:

vallor: i told myth to do so

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defaultro:

honestly, i like SD's interface more than zap2it

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ARfdee:

defaultro: it's a satellite, it's about 300 something channels

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ARfdee:

i had unchecked about 100 of them

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defaultro:

do you record everything :P

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ARfdee:

haha

[01:58:36]

ARfdee:

i think i got it

[01:58:44]

ARfdee:

it didn't have a lineup added

[01:59:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

I wish sd's interface had an option to sort by channel number...

[01:59:31]

ARfdee:

ok, it is working now

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vallor:

schweet!

[02:00:00]

Yahooadam:

bah

[02:00:04]

ARfdee:

but i'm going to have to remove a bunch of channels later

[02:00:07]

ARfdee:

which will take a while:O

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Yahooadam:

mythtv doesnt change the channel, it just sends 000 for everything

[02:00:35]

ARfdee:

ah SHOT

[02:00:37]

ARfdee:

SHOOT

[02:00:40]

ARfdee:

channel editor is empty:(

[02:01:07]

defaultro:

<Yahooadam> mythtv doesnt change the channel, it just sends 000 for everything

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ARfdee:

this is ridiculous, why is it still doing this?

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defaultro:

should be

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ARfdee:

--21:00:55-- http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService

[02:01:18]

ARfdee:

=> `-'

[02:01:18]

ARfdee:

Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... 8.15.7.110

[02:01:18]

ARfdee:

Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|8.15.7.110|:80... connected.

[02:01:18]

ARfdee:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 505 DNS lookup error

[02:01:19]

ARfdee:

21:01:07 ERROR 505: DNS lookup error.

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defaultro:

<Yahooadam> my configuration doesnt change the channel, it just sends 000 for everything

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Yahooadam:

lol

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ARfdee:

i told it to use schedulesdirect.org, why is it still trying zap2it?

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defaultro:

:)

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Yahooadam:

where does mythtv store the codes to send ?

[02:01:40]

Yahooadam:

like Sky 1 is 106

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vallor:

ARfdee: there is an option to mythfilldatabase that tells it to grab channel updates

[02:01:48]

defaultro:

channel_lineup

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Yahooadam:

how do i tell it to send 106 for sky1 ?

[02:01:50]

defaultro:

i forgot

[02:01:56]

defaultro:

dvb channels

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defaultro:

something like that

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ARfdee:

vallor: mythsetup still wants to use zap2it for some stupid reason

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defaultro:

multiplex

[02:02:13]

defaultro:

mplex

[02:02:15]

defaultro:

i forgot

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defaultro:

am not in front of my machine right now

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vallor:

ARfdee: you've restarted mythbackend?

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GreyFoxx:

ARfdee: Go back and make sure you saved the change

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ARfdee:

do i need to do "fetch channels from listing source?"

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ARfdee:

i sure wish they'd fix the ivtv driver

[02:04:26]

ARfdee:

im sick of this dma timeout error

[02:06:06]

vallor:

ARfdee: you might need to do the fetch, but there's also --do-channel-updates

[02:06:15]

vallor:

option to mythfilldatabase

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vallor:

also, run mythtvsetup, mythbackend, and mythfilldatabase as the same user

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Yahooadam:

ffs

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vallor:

did he do that already?

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Yahooadam:

bloody mpeg2video, giving me constant bloody errors

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my2keh:

anyone see anything wrong with this:

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my2keh:

[02:11:36]

my2keh:

Order allow,deny

[02:11:36]

my2keh:

Deny from 70.81.103.110

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my2keh:

</Directory>

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Yahooadam:

got it

[02:12:26]

Yahooadam:

freqid

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vallor:

my2keh: what does the "~" mean in that context? I thought you could only have one dir spec in a <Directory /> directive...?

[02:13:32]

my2keh:

I dunno what the ~ means

[02:13:36]

my2keh:

i just copied the previous one

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my2keh:

heh

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Yahooadam:

~ usually means home directy

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Yahooadam:

but in a file like that :s

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my2keh:

hmmm

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my2keh:

google really needs to screw off

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my2keh:

heh

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Shmattie:

I can add tuners via backend-setup but they always show as unavailable in the tuner status. I don't see any errors in the backend log. Any ideas?

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CyberKnet:

Who the heck asked for dkms to be included in fedora.. gah.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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CyberKnet:

sup xris

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J-e-f-f-A:

ugh. Just tried to upgrade to latest SVN and frontend crashes right away... :-(

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xris:

CyberKnet: heya

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J-e-f-f-A:

hi xris... ;-)

[02:25:35]

CyberKnet:

xris: Do you know much about dkms?

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xris:

not even what it stands for

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: turn on upnp?

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CyberKnet:

xris: apparently either fedora or atrpms is using it to manage nvidia drivers ... and my nvidia drivers are somehow borked.

[02:26:35]

xris:

ah

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xris:

I don't use atrpms anymore

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Umm... it's on — it saw it and asked for the pin, then blam, Segmentation fault.

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xris:

ick

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xris:

if you choose "don't..." it'll fall back to mysql.txt

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm.... can I disable it now? (must be a flag, eh?) (looking...)

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xris:

there's an option on the upnp picker page to not connect to the backend

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xris:

that falls back to mysql.txt

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xris:

(it's badly worded)

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** Blaksmith pouts... don't wanna upgrade MythTV, just to get the channel listings... :( **

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TSCHAK:

boohoo

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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Blaksmith:

lol

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TSCHAK:

:-)

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xris:

Blaksmith: could use xmltv

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** J-e-f-f-A pouts cause his backend is down atm... **

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** J-e-f-f-A (at least myth is... not the box itself...) **

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Blaksmith:

using Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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pete:

Can anyone give me some hints as to how to watch the svideo input on my capture card through mythtv? I can't figure it out.

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Blaksmith:

xmltv a free database? I'm not against paying monthly fees.. I pay for a zillion things.. just don't feel like upgrading lol

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Yahooadam:

blacksmith, your version supports SD

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xris:

pete: you need to create a listings service for it and manually create a channel to attach to it.

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Yahooadam:

ofcourse SD is $15/6mo

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Blaksmith:

actually, was told that I need to upgrade in order for SD

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xris:

Yahooadam: that's 20060828, not 2

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pete:

xris: I did that, I amde achannel 3 for it, but then mythbackend crashes whenever igo to the channel

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Yahooadam:

i fail to see the difference xris :p

[02:34:32]

xris:

Yahooadam: well, one is a year old.

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xris:

Blaksmith: xmitv is what non-US mythtv users use to get listings, but it'll connect to SD, too. Just takes a little tweaking to get it to work with mythtv and SD.

[02:34:56]

Blaksmith:

wow, I have had myth runnin for about a year? wow

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pete:

xris:but tvtime will show me the svideo input just fine. are there any options I have to set on the channel?

[02:35:16]

xris:

Blaksmith: or the package was packaged up a year ago

[02:35:18]

Blaksmith:

I'm running emerge --sync to see if the new version is available

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Blaksmith:

I started when it was .19

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xris:

pete: mythtv is intended for recording tv, not stuff on random ports, so it takes some tweaking to get it to just look at an input.

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xris:

you *could* just attach it to the same listings source you use for normal TV stuff, and it should work.. it'd just record things with the wrong names, etc.

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Blaksmith:

naaa, I like having proper names lol

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xris:

Blaksmith: if you want SD, and are using gentoo, you might as well just upgrade to .20.2

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Blaksmith:

was tempted to get a dvbs-100 card just to pull the epg off the sat to feed my db, but i'm sure it would be a PITA to write code get it working properly lol

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xris:

not to mention that not all of those have unencrypted epg info

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Blaksmith:

I just hope that my MythTVPlayer will still work ... or if there is at least an upgrade to that too lol

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** Blaksmith gets unencrypted epg :D **

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Blaksmith:

well, at least with my Pansat 3500 box :D

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xris:

that's nice

[02:38:58]

Blaksmith:

havn't tried with a dvbs card yet

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xris:

I have to plug SD, though... makes me feel better to see all of the work I put into it get used for something.

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** CyberKnet really appreciates SD **

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Blaksmith:

of course :D like I plug MySEQ... a helper for EverQuest :D

[02:39:59]

** Blaksmith codes for a living... **

[02:40:24]

CyberKnet:

I code for a living too... but in microsoft languages :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: ugh... tried starting the backend without upnp, and mythfrontend won't connect... Frontend connects, gets the pin, then scales the theme and crashes with a segmentation fault. (complete N00B again!!!! ARGH!)

[02:41:16]

Blaksmith:

havn't done a --sync in a while.. taking forever lol

[02:41:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

.... (umm... I restarted mythbackend with upnp to get the frontend to connect... ) [my brain if fried right about now... I'm too tired...]

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: no.. start the *frontend* and select "don't connect to a backend"

[02:43:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, I think I tried that and it kicked out... (may have been a segmentation fault too... trying now)

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Blaksmith:

xris, does SD still "not" do the PPV chans?

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: boom Segmentation fault... so upnp has nothing to do with my issue...

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Blaksmith:

at least upgrading myth, I won't have to re-do my ir blaster .. now THAT was a PITA to get working...

[02:48:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

Anyone running an SVN version with the SD updates... besides the latest head (14500)

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Blaksmith:

here goes the emerge of the latest version

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Blaksmith:

xris, what's the url for SD again? (I'll have to sign up lol... or is the acct from zap2it still valid? just needs $$)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Blaksmith: How about http://www.schedulesdirect.org ??? ;-)

[02:53:59]

Blaksmith:

if that link works, then that's it lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

Blaksmith: zap2it died for me on 9/16 (yesterday)

[02:54:20]

Blaksmith:

I had some residual shows for today before I went to work lol..

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J-e-f-f-A:

Gee... backend is running, but mythweb isn't working, and mythfrontend isn't working.

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** J-e-f-f-A cries.... :-( **

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Slyboots:

What the, Why do I have to setup a PIN?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Slyboots: — If you don't want to use upnp, select "don't connect", and it will default to the mysql.txt (old) connect method...

[02:58:28]

Slyboots:

Um.. okay, Serious problems

[02:58:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

Slyboots: Actually, I think you still have to setup a pin for the upnp stuff... even if you don't end up using it...

[02:58:51]

Slyboots:

I just updated myth from SVN, and cries that it needs a pin, but if I go into mythtv-setup

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Slyboots:

It looks.. all.. uh.. screwed up

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Tanthrix:

My zap2it ran out this afternoon, so I'll have to update to SD tonight

[02:59:16]

Slyboots:

Its far too large for the screen, and menu options "vanish" when I move over them

[02:59:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

ugh... Well, mine looked ok, but the frontend segfaults... (yuck)

[02:59:40]

Slyboots:

Yea, IOts only the frontend thats busted

[02:59:48]

Blaksmith:

xris, are there a few days free? I show an expire date of 9-24–07..

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J-e-f-f-A:

Blaksmith: I think you get 7 days free iirc...

[03:04:26]

Blaksmith:

ahh

[03:04:26]

Slyboots:

Great, and my theme inside MythFrontend is also busted

[03:04:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Blaksmith: I just signed up right away a couple of days after the launch to help get the site going... And just finally 'converted' to use it today...

[03:04:26]

Blaksmith:

lol

[03:04:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Slyboots: Well, I can't even get my frontend to start... so you're getting further than me... (svn 14500)

[03:04:26]

xris:

Blaksmith: 7 day free trial, and if you pay now, you'll get 6 months + 7 days because I was too lazy to factor that into the algorithm to remove the trial.

[03:04:26]

Blaksmith:

rofl

[03:04:26]

Blaksmith:

ok, I won't bitch about the extra 7 days lol

[03:04:26]

Blaksmith:

still settin up my lineup heh

[03:04:26]

Slyboots:

Oh, This is real classy

[03:04:26]

Slyboots:

I dont have sound

[03:04:26]

Slyboots:

And the OSD looks.. realy fucked up

[03:04:26]

Blaksmith:

oh, paypal only? cool I can do that hehe

[03:04:26]

Slyboots:

L:ike its.. shimmering

[03:04:26]

xris:

Blaksmith: google checking coming "soon"...

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xris:

but no idea when.

[03:04:29]

Blaksmith:

paypal is cool with me :D

[03:04:40]

Blaksmith:

ok, completed

[03:05:03]

Blaksmith:

Expires:

[03:05:04]

Blaksmith:

Monday, March 24, 2008

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Blaksmith:

:D

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CyberKnet:

aha... I think I solved my nvidia problems.

[03:05:22]

** xris checks the user stats. **

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xris:

wow, still a lot of people signing up..

[03:05:41]

CBiLL:

any1 here got uirt running on lirc? 8-/

[03:05:50]

Blaksmith:

well hell, today was the cut-off day for z2i

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Blaksmith:

4 of 5 to update for MythTV hehe

[03:08:10]

CyberKnet:

xris: And that can only be a good thing :)

[03:08:10]

Blaksmith:

xris, you know off hand if MythTVPlayer will still work?

[03:08:10]

xris:

I don't even know what it is

[03:08:10]

Blaksmith:

windows front end to play / delete shows

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Blaksmith:

I have no speakers set up on my box that captures the shows, and I watch em all remotely

[03:08:12]

Slyboots:

Okay, What the heck is going on here

[03:08:15]

Slyboots:

I've no audio at all..

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Slyboots:

And the OSD looks just.. weird

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** Blaksmith uses lirc with a home-made blaster... but not sure what uirt is CBiLL **

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TAD2020:

Hello

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Slyboots:

Oh.. classy

[03:10:01]

Slyboots:

The entire reason I upgraded my backend (to allow a frotnend from my mac to connect..) crashes when It ry to watch TV

[03:10:11]

Slyboots:

.. So I've fucked my myhtbox.. fo rno good reason at all -.-

[03:10:24]

Slyboots:

Bah, PErhaps I can roll-back

[03:11:00]

Blaksmith:

Slyboots, check the protocol... are they matching? I know with a few myth front ends that I have tried, if the protocol #'s dont match, things go nuts

[03:11:12]

Slyboots:

They are, I get no error this time

[03:11:17]

Slyboots:

Just a green screen then a dump to desktop

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Blaksmith:

ahh ok

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Blaksmith:

OOH.. I do like how SD makes it sooooo easy to add/remove channels

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Slyboots:

And rollback complete

[03:14:12]

Slyboots:

Huh, But I still have the old-themes..

[03:14:13]

Slyboots:

Bonus

[03:14:29]

TAD2020:

Has anyone else notice the audio and picture quality on recoring OTA TV (even on VCRs) getting worse over the last few months? Odd thing is it has remained unchanged when viewed live on a tv.

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** Blaksmith scores another bonus... PPV is listed :D **

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Blaksmith:

damn still compiling heheh

[03:16:25]

** Blaksmith is jonzing for his mythtv lol **

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** TSCHAK taps his arm like a smack addict :-P **

[03:17:09]

TSCHAK:

:-)

[03:17:28]

Blaksmith:

rofl

[03:17:28]

TSCHAK:

it's a _TV_!!!!!!!!!!!! :-P

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TAD2020:

Has anyone else noticed that?

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Blaksmith:

not I

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** Slyboots has noticed that performace of the new SVN is dire **

[03:22:09]

** Blaksmith is just now upgrading to 20.2 **

[03:23:10]

** tjcarter O_O **

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TAD2020:

Cause right now I'm watching a show on PBS and it looks and sounds fine on my TV, but if I view it through my MythBox or my VCR, it looks and sounds like shit.

[03:26:12]

** tjcarter just saw the season (and possibly series) finale of The 4400.. **

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TAD2020:

Its like that in my whole house and at my office where I have another MythBox

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tjcarter:

WHAT on EARTH are the writers THINKING?!

[03:26:43]

tjcarter:

(Are they thinking?)

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TAD2020:

Could it be some form of MacroVision?

[03:27:12]

Blaksmith:

firing backend up for the first time with the new versino...

[03:28:22]

Blaksmith:

hd wailing away at fixing ID's

[03:29:04]

CBiLL:

probably some form of DRM

[03:30:09]

Blaksmith:

ooh, my old mythtvplayer connected :D

[03:30:10]

TAD2020:

But on PBS stations? Most of the mid tuner channels are fine.

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CBiLL:

PBS isn't used to what it once been

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TAD2020:

But its all 4 of the UFH stations and only the 2 first VHF stations :/

[03:31:29]

CBiLL:

within a year or so .. I am sure everyone gonna encrypt their programming

[03:31:32]

Blaksmith:

ok, time to filldatabase I think

[03:32:25]

Blaksmith:

oh wait, oh blah, guess I gotta update my mythtvsetup

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Blaksmith:

ok, where the hell do I set the info for grabbing chans again lol

[03:34:51]

CBiLL:

mythtvsetup I think

[03:34:53]

CBiLL:

somewhere in there

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CBiLL:

hehehe

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TAD2020:

I've got a PVR-150 and a PVR-500, could it be better with a HD tunner, like a HD-5500?

[03:35:06]

CBiLL:

video source maybe?

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ARfdee:

help

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CBiLL:

10 dollar for the first minute

[03:37:05]

ARfdee:

i ran mythfilldatabase, but listings still say NO DATA

[03:37:05]

CBiLL:

and 5 dollar every minute after

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TAD2020:

Doubtful, the antenna souce branches in this room to the VCR-TV and to the MythBox

[03:37:24]

CBiLL:

lab2zap is no longer you know right?

[03:37:31]

CBiLL:

now uses SD

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ARfdee:

CBiLL: i switched to SD

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Tanthrix:

TAD2020: If the channels you're getting are also broadcast digitally, then yes, they would be better quality. You don't want to use the analog portions of most HD cards though – crappy framegrabbers

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CBiLL:

did you add programming in SD?

[03:38:01]

ARfdee:

all my channels are here

[03:38:18]

Tanthrix:

TAD2020: Sounds like you have a bad cable or splitter – try unplugging the cable that goes to the TV then plug it into the mythbox and see how it works

[03:38:23]

Blaksmith:

ok, found it

[03:38:34]

Rongo:

is there an easy knoppmyth -> SD patch or anything? Or do I need to download, compile, and reinstall mythtv, xmltv, and all that?

[03:38:49]

Blaksmith:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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Blaksmith:

Authorization failed.

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TAD2020:

Thanks Tanthrix: Yeah, all my PBS stations upgraded to digital a few years ago when the orginal switch deadline was back then

[03:41:33]

Blaksmith:

grrrrrr still getting 401 errors

[03:43:58]

Blaksmith:

hmmm ok, looks like username is case sensitive

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doje:

hi all, I'm trying to compile 0.20.2 and i'm getting errors in dtsdec.c

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Blaksmith:

ok, filldb is starting to work finally heh

[03:46:18]

doje:

I'm getting a lot of undeclared items – am I missing a lib ?

[03:47:12]

ARfdee:

i dont get this

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ARfdee:

i am using SD and i click retrieve lineups and it shows the correct data direct lineup with my zip code

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ARfdee:

and i click finish, but when i come back to it it says something diff for data direct lineup

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doje:

ah, error: dts.h: No such file or directory

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doje:

nevermind – libdca is needed appearently

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ARfdee:

what does it mean when i get can get channels from SD but no listings?

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TAD2020:

Does Myth come with a script to clean up the db of entries that dont have recorded file?

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Anduin:

ARfdee: Did you check their forum (there was an issue like that, supposedly fixed)?

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CBiLL:

which linux distro is highly supported by Mythtv?

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CBiLL:

Fedora?

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Anduin:

TAD2020: myth.find_orphans.pl in contrib

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ARfdee:

Anduin: hmm

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GreyFoxx:

Whatever you are most familiar with

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Blaksmith:

I think most are... I'm using gentoo

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TAD2020:

I've used Feroda for a long time

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CBiLL:

wanted to go with what have the most docs based on

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TAD2020:

My current is OpenSuse10.2

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TAD2020:

But I'm likely to switch back to Fedora next rebuild

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** Blaksmith won't switch from gentoo :D **

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CBiLL:

right now I just install MythDora to check it out some mor

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CBiLL:

more

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Blaksmith:

I've tried fedora, slack, ubuntu, debian... BLAH

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Blaksmith:

Linux localhost 2.6.19-gentoo-r5 #5 SMP Sun May 27 05:59:01 PDT 2007 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

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CBiLL:

for a quick setup and install

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CBiLL:

but I am having trouble getting uirt to work with lirc (i know not mythtv related but hoping to find someone familar with it)

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TAD2020:

On my last rebuild, gentoo docs weren't avaliable

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ARfdee:

Anduin: i dont see anything

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ARfdee:

http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewforum.p . . . f6eb7c4a985c

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CBiLL:

FC doc seem to be everywhere

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Anduin:

ARfdee: search for "empty programs"

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CBiLL:

so I probably will go with FC

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ARfdee:

it got all the right channels, but no listings

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ARfdee:

FC?

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ARfdee:

there is no FC anymore CBiLL

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ARfdee:

it's F

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CBiLL:

it not Fedora Core?

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CBiLL:

just Fedora now?

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ARfdee:

www.fedora.com

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CBiLL:

ok sorry =P

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CBiLL:

last time I had on my hosting server is FC hehe

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CBiLL:

but I switched to CentOS4 long go

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CBiLL:

Fedora was just EOLing too fast and soon

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ARfdee:

http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.p . . . ograms#p1617

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rsingh:

hi, does anyone know how to trigger a rescheduling of shows without actually restarting mythtv-backend?

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ARfdee:

Anduin: it just says it was fixed

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ARfdee:

and apparently it has not been

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Anduin:

ARfdee: I'd verify it is the same problem, and post to the thread.

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Anduin:

ARfdee: a new version of tv_grab_na_dd (or whatever it is) will give you the xml

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rsingh:

Anduin how do you trigger the insertion of the xml?

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rsingh:

do you do it manually by using mythfilldatabase ---file?

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Anduin:

rsingh: --dd-file, I'm not saying he should use it, just verify the problem is the same and report it

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ARfdee:

Anduin: how do i get a new version of that?

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ARfdee:

: 0.5.48

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Anduin:

ARfdee: I don't actually use it

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Anduin:

ARfdee: I can pastebin a script that will use wget to do the same (same stuff mythfilldatabase does)

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Anduin:

ARfdee: http://rafb.net/p/diHmbI70.html line 7/8 is really one line

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ShockValue:

SOB

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ShockValue:

i backed up all my myth stuff so i could rebuild.. then fricken formatted the drive before i moved the backup off

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ShockValue:

i suck

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CBiLL:

ouch

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ShockValue:

ah well. only thing i really lost was my xorg.conf and lircd.conf

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ShockValue:

all the rest i was doing from scratch

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ircleuser:

hey guys

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ircleuser:

anyone here?

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ARfdee:

Anduin: so i'd have to use this instead of mythfilldatabase?

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Blaksmith:

ok, I think I have my normal shows finally set up lol... still grabbing the DB from SD

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** Blaksmith is happy once again lol **

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Blaksmith:

OUCH.. that sucks ShockValue

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Aval0n:

anyone here run a 1080i setup with mythtv

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Aval0n:

?

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ShockValue:

i do

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ShockValue:

i pull HD from firewire

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Aval0n:

what type of monitor?

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ShockValue:

nec 50xm3

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ShockValue:

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/nec-50xm3.html

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Aval0n:

and 1080i looks good for you?

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Aval0n:

not all flickery and whatnot

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ShockValue:

flickery? no

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ShockValue:

although my machine has a hard time keeping up with the de-interlace..

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Aval0n:

ahh more cpu usage?

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Aval0n:

what cpu do ya have?

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ShockValue:

it has just enough horsepower to play 1080i + BOB deinterlace.. if commercial flagging or something kicks in, i cant watch it

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ShockValue:

2.8p4, older model no hyperthread

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Aval0n:

I have a 3.4ghz p4 HT

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Rongo:

401?

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Aval0n:

would that be plenty for that res?

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Aval0n:

mines a 600 series

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Aval0n:

i belive

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ShockValue:

ah, you should be fine, specially if you have nvidia + get xvmc runnin

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Aval0n:

where do I toggle xvmc at

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Aval0n:

is that under playback settings?

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Aval0n:

I saw standard xvmc

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Aval0n:

and VIA VLC xvmc

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ShockValue:

its a little more complicated than that.. there's a long wiki article on it though : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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Aval0n:

ty

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CBiLL:

how come mythtv look like it going out of sync and flickers alot that the picture look like it been scroll down to the middle of the tv

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ShockValue:

1080i will look flickery though, as you put it, if its not being de-interlaced properly

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CBiLL:

when there explovise or bright light in the tv show

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ShockValue:

weird CBiLL, i dont think ive ever seen that

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Aval0n:

I have the ubuntu xvmc libs installed

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Aval0n:

how can I tell if it's running or not

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CBiLL:

look like if I had verical off scale on an old tv

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CBiLL:

shuttering

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ShockValue:

start mythfrontend from the command line, and watch the output when you start watching TV.. it will say some stuff about XVmC

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CBiLL:

ok

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Rongo:

Anyone else having the "401 unauthorized" bug?

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ShockValue:

that was for Aval0n about the XVmC

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CBiLL:

oh

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CBiLL:

heheh

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ShockValue:

Rongo: with what? SD?

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Aval0n:

damn

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Rongo:

yep

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Aval0n:

I only have ssh access to it right now

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Aval0n:

is there a way to see if myth was even compiled with xvmc support?

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ShockValue:

Rongo: i had that yesterday, turns out that i used a capital letter in my SD login, but they automatically lower-case everything

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Aval0n:

I am using the feisty proposed 20.2 ubuntu package

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ShockValue:

Aval0n: i dont know how on ubunto

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Rongo:

AH! Perfect! thanks

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ShockValue:

afk

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Aval0n:

thanks shock

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CBiLL:

man it look bad

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CBiLL:

any idea how I can troubleshoot this flickering

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Rongo:

ShockValue: That was it. thanks. (perhaps mythtv-setup should also lowerase the username?)

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jams:

Rongo- it's a known problem, and i think has been fixed already

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Rongo:

I *just* downloaded from SVN

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Aval0n:

anyone know if the fiesty proposed 20.2 ubuntu packaged was compiled with xvmc enabled by default?

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jams:

well in that case it's a known problem, and a solution has been talked about

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IamEthos:

so, I'm installing myth on a laptop that I would prefer to keep closed

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IamEthos:

but it's a pain to have to type in a password if I reboot or whatever, because i have to open it

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IamEthos:

so how do I avoid having to type a password when my machine boots up

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IamEthos:

ideally, i'd like it to boot directly into myth

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jhulst:

IamEthos: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend . . . M_Auto_Login

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Anduin:

ARfdee: No it would just let you verify that you are seeing the same problem, then you could let SD know it isn't fixed.

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ARfdee:

oh

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ARfdee:

ok, listings work now

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CBiLL:

I am playing it in Mplayer mplayer /dev/video0 and it flickering the same

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CBiLL:

so it's not mythtv then?

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propagandhi:

hi guys, i have the dvico fusion 4 hdtv dual digital, its IR connector is like a speaker jack, anyone have one of these and the remote working?

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CBiLL:

everytime mplayer flickers it says Too many video packets in the buffers

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CBiLL:

Broken frame at 0x758c60

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Aval0n:

anyone know if the fiesty proposed .20.2 ubuntu package was compiled with XvMC support?

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IamEthos:

so now that Zap2It isn't doing data direct anymore... what do I do?

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tazgodx:

schedules direct

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Aval0n:

anykne know what would cause xvmc to make the osd grey

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IamEthos:

tazgodx, with a $15 fee for 6 months? seriously?

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tazgodx:

yeah

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tazgodx:

only option i know of

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IamEthos:

wow

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IamEthos:

that sucks

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tazgodx:

better than $15/month

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IamEthos:

tazgodx, true

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chris_:

anyone know why my frontend won't play recordings? error is "couldn't read myth://192.168.1.134:6543/" the previews work and my other frontend works just fine backend is definately working after selecting show screen goes black and 2 seconds later I have the menu again.... frustrating!! I've setup several myth systems but have not run into this problem as yet....

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Tanthrix:

When did the $15 become six months instead of 3 months? That's nifty.

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overseer:

i'm going to guess that was a clerical error

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tazgodx:

they changed it a few days ago, everyone who payed 15 for 32 months got there account extended to the 6

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tazgodx:

32 is supposed to be 3

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Aval0n:

is there anyway to fix the grey OSD with xvmc on a geforce 7300gs"?

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bsdfox__:

anyone built the IR reciever with these schematics? I can't get mine to detect.. http://stuff.nekhbet.ro/2006/07/10/make-an-in . . . -for-pc.html

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n: Have you considered looking at the wiki page?

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ShockValue:

god my VI skills are rusty

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ShockValue:

plus i was never very good at it anyway :)_

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Aval0n:

tanthrix

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Aval0n:

I did

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Aval0n:

it has a fix for 4 and 5 series cards

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Aval0n:

but nothing for 6 and higher

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Tanthrix:

That's your answer then ;)

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Aval0n:

bah

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

lame

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Tanthrix:

And grr at SD – not working for some reason on my end.

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Tanthrix:

Just removed everything (card, line ups, inputs,) reset it up from scratch, ran mythfilldatabase, and I'm still not getting anything

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Tanthrix:

Oh, here we go – getting that damn mysql problem again

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burnt:

where are the config files for the frontend located in mythdora?

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burnt:

i was playing around and set the display to opengl from QT and now it wont load

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CBiLL:

any1 here using PVR500?

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hiredgoon:

anyone have any insight on what i changed so mythmusic doesn't let me ff/rwd with pgup/pgdn anymore?

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CBiLL:

seem everyone gone to bed 8-)

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CBiLL:

wussies! lol

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bsdfox__:

kobject_add failed for lirc_serial.0 with -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same directory.

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bsdfox__:

anyone know that error? I get it when I modprobe serial

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bsdfox__:

err. modprobe lirc_serial

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penney:

Howdy all!

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penney:

Question: MythTV can play DVD's but I can't seem to access the DVD menu... is this something I need to fix in mPlayer?

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IamEthos:

I'm definitely getting nothing but a black screen when I try to view TV

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IamEthos:

mythtv-setup detected my card and everything

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IamEthos:

but it just goes to a black screen when I select "watch tv" and then eventually times out

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CBiLL:

what video dev?

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IamEthos:

CBiLL, to me?

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CBiLL:

yes

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IamEthos:

my fglrx

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IamEthos:

it's some ATI card, can't remember which atm

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CBiLL:

tuner card set to video0?

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IamEthos:

CBiLL, it's a Mobility Radeon 9600

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IamEthos:

CBiLL, where do I find that setting?

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CBiLL:

went you went to set up the tuner card

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IamEthos:

in mythtv-setup, right?

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CBiLL:

what video is it set to?

[06:12:57]

CBiLL:

yes

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IamEthos:

yeah, that was my only option

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p1mrx:

so, I have mythtv-0.20.2_p14472, and it seems that whenever I try to jump back to before the beginning of a video, it jumps all the way to the end, and basically seeking becomes unusable until I exit that video

[06:13:24]

CBiLL:

do you know if mplayer is installed? you can try mplayer /dev/video0

[06:13:31]

penney:

p1mrx: I would bet thats a problem with the player you have

[06:13:36]

p1mrx:

like, the seek bar moves all the way to the right, and any attempt at seeking rewinds the video to the beginning (but the bar stays at the end)

[06:13:43]

IamEthos:

CBiLL, was that to me too?

[06:13:46]

CBiLL:

yes

[06:14:02]

CBiLL:

how is pvr 500 suppose to be displayed in mythtv setup?

[06:14:17]

p1mrx:

penney: what do you mean, "the player"? I'm using mythtv to play a video which mythtv recorded

[06:14:47]

IamEthos:

CBiLL, mplayer was not installed. My distro doesn't have it listed as a dependency for myth

[06:14:49]

penney:

p1mrx: MythTV piggy backs on top of mplayer or VLC it itself doesn't play videos

[06:15:05]

adante:

penney: he's probably talking about recordings

[06:15:13]

penney:

ah well then I don't know

[06:15:18]

penney:

haven't gotten TV working yet

[06:15:23]

CBiLL:

ok I was only suggesting you to do that to make sure tuner card is working

[06:15:23]

penney:

awaiting my newegg shipment...

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adante:

p1mrx: try running mysqlcheck on the mythconverg database, possibly you have some corruption in the seek tables

[06:15:58]

penney:

Question: MythTV can play DVD's but I can't seem to access the DVD menu... is this something I need to fix in mPlayer?

[06:16:51]

CBiLL:

I see tha modprobe does detect 2 units

[06:17:01]

CBiLL:

but only mythtv is showing 1 unit

[06:17:03]

adante:

penney: yes and no :] i don't believe mplayer supports dvd menus

[06:17:11]

penney:

adante: does vlc?

[06:17:28]

penney:

adante: I'm considering switching... mplayer's great but its not quite up to par for a DVR

[06:17:42]

adante:

penney: not sure, i think so?

[06:17:52]

penney:

adante: alrighty well its late i'll experiment though

[06:17:55]

penney:

thanks!

[06:18:03]

bsdfox__:

is it possible to use both tuners on a pvr-500 without the daughter card?

[06:18:13]

bsdfox__:

I mean.. it already has an internal splitter right?

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CBiLL:

I think so

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anykey_:

bsdfox__: yes

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p1mrx:

adante: I just tried "mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg". got a bunch of OK's

[06:18:34]

CBiLL:

since the daughter card is for inputs

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anykey_:

bsdfox__: as long as you only want to record from the coax input

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anykey_:

bsdfox__: for Composite/S-Video you'll need the add-on bracket

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p1mrx:

I'm recording ATSC, if that makes any difference

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bsdfox__:

that's all I want

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CBiLL:

on pvr 500 mythtv-setup should be showing 2 captures in list 500 unit #1 and 500 unit #2 correct?

[06:19:26]

bsdfox__:

I lost it somewhere :)

[06:19:43]

adante:

p1mrx: in that case i'm out of ideas, sorry

[06:20:55]

CBiLL:

what the heck is this? All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dropping data

[06:21:59]

bsdfox__:

lol, that was easy :P

[06:22:42]

CBiLL:

this is exactly the problem I am having http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3374918

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p1mrx:

it looks almost like seeking back is causing an integer underflow

[06:23:23]

p1mrx:

but surely people have tested this before

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IamEthos:

CBiLL, installed mplayer

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IamEthos:

same behavior

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CBiLL:

black screen? then tuner card driver not set up right

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IamEthos:

CBiLL, I have a hauppage WinTV-PVR-USB2. I have pvrusb2 loaded, and I extracted the firmware (and even verified the model number of my device against that of the firmware

[06:28:40]

propagandhi:

anybody help out here, my remote works in mythtv interface but not in mplayer when a video is playing

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bsdfox__:

propagandhi: might need to compile lirc support into mplayer or mess with the bindings

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p1mrx:

can anyone confirm that attempting to seek past the beginning of a recorded video *doesn't* cause everything to flip out?

[06:36:19]

bsdfox__:

p1mrx: it doesn't here, just keeps restarting at the beginning

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p1mrx:

bsdfox: do you know which version you're running?

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bsdfox__:

Installed versions: 0.20.2_p14472

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IamEthos:

what modules should I have to load, other than pvrusb2?

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p1mrx:

hm, exact same one I have

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IamEthos:

anything?

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just_joe_:

i cant find the documentation to switch my mythdora box from monitor to TV-out. :( i get a blank screen when it boots, where do I go from here?

[06:51:11]

just_joe_:

(when it boot on a tv not a monitor)

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IamEthos:

aha

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IamEthos:

I think I was having issues because I wasn't in the video group :-)

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IamEthos:

yeah, that was it

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IamEthos:

alright, bedtime now

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just_joe_:

is it me dang it I cant even find this issue in the forum

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xris:

p1mrx: have you tried rebuilding the seek table for the recordings?

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p1mrx:

hm, rebuild the seek table? that sounds promising

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p1mrx:

"mythcommflag --rebuild" <-- I'm trying this

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p1mrx:

"Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired"

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just_joe_:

argh I am using a MSI rx9250 (ati radeon) card and dont know where to start (besides searching which isnt working) looking on how to switch to tv-out anyone?

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p1mrx:

ok, it appears that I've managed to rebuild mythconverg.recordedseek

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laga:

just_joe_: wiki.mythtv.org should help ya

[07:11:50]

just_joe_:

i will look now laga!

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p1mrx:

that seems odd though, just running "mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg" didn't have any effect on the recordedseek table

[07:18:13]

p1mrx:

in fact, it never even listed the recordedseek table among the "OK"s

[07:18:38]

p1mrx:

but "mysqlcheck -r -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg recordedseek" appeared to fix something

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juski:

p1mrx: I've seen that on a remote frontend which didn't have the right timezone set

[07:22:22]

p1mrx:

my timezone seems correct, and I'm running NTP

[07:22:54]

p1mrx:

although, a few days ago, I did get a kernel panic while myth was running.

[07:23:16]

p1mrx:

(that was overclocking's fault)

[07:23:46]

p1mrx:

my best guess right now is, that event corrupted the database, and caused the seeking to be messed up for all future recordings

[07:24:39]

juski:

you can always try rebuilding the seektable for all recordings...

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p1mrx:

I'm doing that right now

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p1mrx:

mythcommflag --rebuild --all

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p1mrx:

this TV I've got makes a nice computer screen... well, except for the overscan, but I adjusted MythTV's window size to compensate for that

[07:27:33]

p1mrx:

it's an LED-lit DLP, so theoretically there should be a long bulb life, and no burn-in

[07:27:56]

laga:

overclock your mythtv boxes,y eah :)

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p1mrx:

haha, well I was running into performance problems early on, so I tried overclocking

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p1mrx:

I now think that the performance problems were caused by a bad hard drive

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p1mrx:

I have (well, had) a RAID-1 array, and one of the drives was making chirping noises

[07:29:42]

p1mrx:

I ran Seagate's disk tools on it, and that drive failed the test

[07:30:03]

p1mrx:

running with half a RAID 1, it seems to be working better

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p1mrx:

of course, half a RAID 1 is one drive :-)

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juski:

laga: my config wizardy thing is edging closer to completion :)

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juski:

got it downloading icons & updating the database now. just need it to write an xmltv file for the video source & it'll be about ready

[07:36:27]

juski:

then it'll be time to tackle the other providers, verify the data I've got.. yada yada

[07:36:41]

laga:

juski: gonna make one for germany, too? :) i have always envisioned a screen scraper for the cable co's websites, but i'll be busy with mythbuntu till university starts at least

[07:36:55]

laga:

guess it's a project for next year then

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juski:

I definitely do hope my wizard inspires others to take up similar projects all over the place

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juski:

the dog work is collating all the data. it should be simple enough to keep up to date after that

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laga:

juski: your data format might be suitable, aye

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juski:

there might still be some fields I need to stuff in there yet, like callsign & crap

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gbee:

radiotimes data for C4+1 is screwy, missing genre and descriptions are different to C4

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juski:

puzzles me why there are even feeds for +1 channels

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juski:

it's a waste of space IMHO

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juski:

when the grabber can just work it out

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juski:

they only provide a limited number of feeds for the UK channels and I'd guess at least 10 are wasted +1 channels

[08:04:10]

gbee:

that's what Nick plans to do, just time-shift the data for +1 channels

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juski:

yeah there's already a version of the grabber with that built in – or a patch at any rate

[08:04:55]

juski:

so then will radiotimes.com be dropping the +1 channels & replacing them with something really useful? ;)

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gbee:

one potential problem is that +1 channels don't always show the same programmes – as stuarta found out the other night, ITV2+1 couldn't repeat the film shown on ITV2 for legal reasons

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Raspberry:

anybody know any good resources for troubleshooting the transcode daemon? I'm running Ubuntu Gutsy .. the daemon is running, but the front end can't connect to it...

[08:06:08]

juski:

if $name like "MTV" { UPDATE program SET description="The same 6 songs, all day long" WHERE programid=$programid;

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gbee:

hehe

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juski:

gbee: yeah but that's not likely to happen very often

[08:07:20]

gbee:

juski: true, but in that one case where it causes the scheduler to record the film on the wrong channel it would be pretty annoying

[08:07:30]

juski:

I also think some of the +1 channels are themselves superfluous

[08:07:42]

juski:

maybe use the mux space to better effect

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juski:

when multirec comes about, our dependency on +1 channels will wane ;)

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laga:

Raspberry: start it manually, check its output

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juski:

just thinking about C4+1 made me think of Hollyoaks. I still can't believe there were people sitting in a packed bar watching the Omnibus edition of that on Sunday

[08:09:05]

gbee:

+1 channels are a waste of time normally, just things like Films that I think they are most useful for

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Raspberry:

laga — everything looks good

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gbee:

heh, my new multimeter smells like chocolate

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juski:

save me some

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Raspberry:

laga — it's reading the disk... it recognizes the client socket has been opened... so how do I start the transcode? It's at the "Rip / Transcode" page ... 0 process selected title

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juski:

right time to head out & defrost my car. Defrost my car. it's SEPTEMBER ffs

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Raspberry:

ah ... the 0 key :)

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laga:

juski: it's 9am!

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Blaksmith:

hey juski ... long time no chat :D

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Blaksmith:

just upped to 20.2 :D

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h0mer`-:

i am having trouble scanning some channels from german paytv. is there a channels.conf somewhere that i can import?

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laga:

h0mer`-: try #mythtv-de

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h0mer`-:

thx ;)

[08:47:57]

** willcooke has discovered a new series of Screenwipe starts on BBC4 next week **

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bsdfox_:

can anyone give me some advice on lirc?

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directhex|work:

"abandon hope all ye who enter here"

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directhex|work:

that's my top tip for the week!

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bsdfox_:

I've built 3 of these circuits with different IR sensors but I can't seem to receive any signals from any remotes I've got :\

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** juski checks his recording rule for Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe **

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juski:

yup. nothing to do there

[09:07:21]

juski:

god I love how there's always nothing to do when a new series starts :)

[09:12:42]

juski:

<3 BBC FOUR. did anybody see the Secret Life Of The Motorway the other week?

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directhex|work:

you don't love bbc4, you're always going on about how life was better when there were just 3 channels!

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willcooke:

juski, must have missed that one. Any good? Doesnt sound to exciting! ;)

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juski:

it was excellent

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** willcooke searches for a repeat **

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** willcooke has got access to mythweb from work now – yay! **

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juski:

the last one wasn't so good, witterring on about global wossnames & boring stuff

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** juski has his config wizard writing an xmltv file now :) **

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willcooke:

ha! Secret life of the motorway, found and recorded

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juski:

hmm so what's next? suppose I need to get a list of videosources in the database & ask the user which one to use

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willcooke:

juski, did you get that frontend hang sorted?

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juski:

willcooke: nah but it's not important. my remote has no delete button anyway

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willcooke:

:)

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willcooke:

str(datetime.now()).replace(' ','_')

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willcooke:

oops

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juski:

ah there's not much as satisfying at work as building a 19" chassis with circuits inside

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Daviey:

tv guide scrapers are for mugs, TV Mag + Scanner + OCR = ftw

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Daviey:

:)

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juski:

rofl

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juski:

yeah well I fully intend to be the saviour of mythtv users in the UK

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Daviey:

Oh good.. Can you work out why my PCI SATA card doesn't work? That would save me from MrsDaviey

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willcooke:

doesnt work can't see the card or doesnt work the drives are really slow?

[10:01:17]

Daviey:

See the card fine, but no hd's attached

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juski:

patchay kernel-ay

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Daviey:

Tried it under latest kernel.. heard reports the model worked – but still no joy

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Daviey:

for 3 months i've been uisng a nasty NFS share...

[10:03:45]

Daviey:

Might just by a new mobo with onboard sata

[10:03:55]

juski:

time to put said sata card out to pasture on the fleabay?

[10:04:11]

juski:

got one for work with 8 ports

[10:04:31]

juski:

none of them are PM aware but hey it was Â£35

[10:04:38]

Daviey:

PM?

[10:04:44]

juski:

port multiplier

[10:05:00]

Daviey:

Oh.

[10:05:40]

Daviey:

Arg! just realised MrsDaviey binned the box for the sata card – weekend just gone >:(

[10:06:05]

juski:

we've got a 8 bay RAID box which has an Esata port on the back

[10:06:38]

Daviey:

lots of LED's?

[10:06:56]

juski:

loads of LEDs, plenty fans

[10:07:00]

juski:

makes a loud noise

[10:08:47]

Daviey:

trific.. gotta love the LED's and fans

[10:12:59]

Dibblah:

juski: It's a marvell based SATA card, I guess?

[10:13:14]

Dibblah:

ie sata_mv and friends...

[10:13:55]

Dibblah:

If not, and it's AHCI, it could be supported with a recent kernel.

[10:14:15]

Dibblah:

Okay. A pre-patch (home-tj) kernel.

[10:14:52]

Daviey:

Dibblah: sata_sil

[10:15:25]

Dibblah:

Heh. Cheap card ;)

[10:15:42]

Daviey:

yup

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** juski wonders if www.they-definitely-did-it.com is available... **

[10:26:36]

** laga wonders how to use debconf.py **

[10:26:43]

laga:

oh, the joys of properly documented software

[10:27:10]

Daviey:

laga: bah, python code _is_ the comments :)

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laga:

sometimes i think mythtv is everywhere

[10:36:07]

laga:

i throw a random python error at google and i get something unrelated about mythtv back

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directhex|work:

i saw someone on the bus with a rockbox once

[10:39:21]

directhex|work:

that reminds me

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[11:04:29]

juski:

hmmm some nice skins for that thar rockbox thingy

[11:06:00]

juski:

whoah sorry there are TWO nice skins for rockbox

[11:06:05]

juski:

blackglass & redglass

[11:06:54]

rooaus:

juski: blackglass is nice

[11:08:09]

juski:

it's almost worth buying a suitable player

[11:08:12]

directhex|work:

juski, skins are what 13 year olds make for winamp. rockbox has *themes*!

[11:08:35]

rooaus:

directhex|work: lol

[11:08:51]

juski:

ah yes :)

[11:09:09]

juski:

well it looks like some 13 year olds have pulled out some stops for rockbox too

[11:09:09]

directhex|work:

juski, anyway, it's more about functionality than eye candy. rockbox is more capable than any other player on the market bar none

[11:09:28]

juski:

pity my car stereo can't be juiced with it

[11:09:30]

directhex|work:

i use http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF#Sta

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rooaus:

the only problem is with battery life with ipods, not sure if that has improved recently

[11:11:19]

directhex|work:

it's much better in svn, since it's finally using both cores of the ipod cpu

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rooaus:

directhex|work: cool, been meaning to look into it again

[11:12:05]

juski:

ipod cpu has TWO cores? ffs

[11:12:43]

juski:

beats me how these people find out how to hack stuff. must take a lot of messing about initially

[11:12:46]

directhex|work:

juski, the ipod uses a portalplayer cpu, which is a dual-core low-speed arm clone, with extra secret sauce on top to make ti unfriendly to anyone not paying for a sdk license

[11:13:04]

directhex|work:

juski, portalplayer are as linux-friendly as broadcom. perhaps less

[11:13:11]

juski:

heh

[11:13:25]

juski:

right I need to find out how to do a menu in perl. :(

[11:14:21]

juski:

.e.g pull videosources from database, ask user which one to use. meh

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** laga just gave out trying to make debconf.py and will resort to debconf-communiate **

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directhex|work:

my player, a toshiba, is basically a really over-specified arm cpu. which means rockbox can run at minimal speed most of the time, and ramp up when you try to watch a video or play doom

[11:16:05]

juski:

do they do any that are only flash based?

[11:16:28]

rooaus:

ipod touch and rockbox could make an ideal mythtv remote

[11:16:44]

rooaus:

assuming a ipod touch port, that is

[11:17:00]

juski:

nah the best remote is one which deals with everything in the livingroom

[11:17:14]

juski:

don't need no stinking touchscreens or gryos

[11:17:14]

laga:

wow, this sandisk sansa e200 looks good and it's chea

[11:17:48]

directhex|work:

juski, some irivers i think. and some models of nhano (before apple started encrypting firmware & using an encrypted-firmware-only portalplayer cpu)

[11:18:27]

juski:

wow. sansa e200 foraround 80 quids

[11:18:43]

juski:

8Gb too

[11:18:47]

laga:

juski: 80â‚¬ for the 4GB version here

[11:19:16]

laga:

seems that rockbox can dual-boot the stock firmware on this device

[11:19:19]

juski:

I was hoping to see a decent player for cheap at an airport while I was away

[11:19:31]

juski:

they only had ducking Phillips gear in :(

[11:19:38]

juski:

ppppppppppppftttttttttt!

[11:19:53]

directhex|work:

laga, the irony is, the player i bought for rockbox comes pre-loaded with a linux-based firmware

[11:19:54]

Dibblah:

Philips ;)

[11:19:54]

directhex|work:

...

[11:20:03]

directhex|work:

including a copy of the GPL in the manual...

[11:20:29]

laga:

heh

[11:20:32]

directhex|work:

but the stock firmware is so crippled, it won't even play mp3 files – you need to use a windows-only app to encrypt your music for use on your serial number'd device

[11:20:37]

juski:

we had a nice going away gift btw. I was leaving the house about to put the cases in the car & I saw a fox. Stood watching the fox for a few seconds til it ran off. Then I noticed the rabbit at the gate. Then I noticed the rabbit's head just in front of my feet

[11:20:44]

laga:

directhex|work: great :/

[11:21:00]

laga:

juski: how did it taste?

[11:21:14]

juski:

no idea. I don't eat raw animal meat

[11:21:26]

laga:

ah

[11:21:32]

juski:

I know I'm evil, but not _that_ evil

[11:21:42]

directhex|work:

hence http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/picturebox/a . . . #picture_nav

[11:23:16]

laga:

nice

[11:23:17]

juski:

my experience with a 3GB portable hdd has proved to me that HDD based players aren't for me :)

[11:24:06]

juski:

woo sold two more case badgers

[11:24:26]

juski:

and I think i know who they're going to

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directhex|work:

mushroom mushroom?

[11:24:55]

juski:

why the hell was that stupid flash thing ever a hit?

[11:25:05]

Dibblah:

juski: Are you actually into the profit phase yet?

[11:25:12]

juski:

the kind of thing lugradio fans dig, that

[11:25:37]

juski:

entered profit phase ages ago since I decided to write off the money I spent in the whole LRL weekend

[11:25:50]

juski:

put it down as a waste of time :)

[11:31:35]

juski:

not saying it'll ever make me a millionaire but it helps buy booze to keep me (moderately) sane

[11:33:34]

McFlash is now known as McBlaue_

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juski:

hey that sansa player ha an expansion slot to shove more memory in too

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willcooke:

juski, you've got another order

[11:50:13]

juski:

3? that's got to be a record for a UK buyer :)

[11:50:22]

willcooke:

:)

[11:50:34]

willcooke:

one each for my backends and one for my backup box

[11:50:51]

juski:

bah I can't remember how to read mysql query results into an array. bum

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willcooke:

does anyone know anything about t-mobile's "web and walk" option. More specifically – does it include using your phone as a gprs modem?

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Dibblah:

Heh. "Phenom Triple Cores" – Because 2 and 4 just weren't enough choices.

[12:10:52]

Dibblah:

No, we didn't want a way to sell broken 4 cores. Not at all.

[12:11:45]

directhex|work:

hm, perhaps

[12:12:02]

directhex|work:

i can't visualise how a 3-core chip would be connected internally, cache & crossbarwise

[12:12:14]

Dibblah:

Same as a 4 core.

[12:12:20]

CBiLL:

man mythtv look sweet now

[12:12:26]

CBiLL:

after fixing that flickering problem

[12:12:31]

Dibblah:

Just with one of them laser cut, I'd guess.

[12:12:47]

directhex|work:

Dibblah, so one core gets its own cache, two share a cache?

[12:12:53]

Dibblah:

Laser cut as in core physically disabled.

[12:13:10]

Dibblah:

I would guess so.

[12:14:09]

directhex|work:

actually, barcelona chips each have their own per-core L1 and global shared L2 cache

[12:14:15]

directhex|work:

so it ought to work fine

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[12:29:18]

desidany:

I am experiencing a strange mythfrontend freeze problem while watching live tv..

[12:29:28]

pat_:

yeah, I got that recently

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pat_:

I found if I paused it for 5 seconds and restarted it went away

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pat_:

(s/restarted/unpaused/)

[12:30:01]

desidany:

every 5 minutes my mythfrontend freezes while watching live tc..

[12:30:20]

desidany:

I tried pausing for 5 sec...10 sec..

[12:30:56]

desidany:

still the problem persists..

[12:31:24]

desidany:

IF I record the episode and not watch it live everything seems ok

[12:31:35]

desidany:

while watching the recording..

[12:32:01]

desidany:

has anybody come across similar problem?

[12:32:10]

desidany:

any clues to debug the problem?

[12:32:53]

desidany:

I am on ubuntu 7.04 with 0.20.2 Mythttv version

[12:35:02]

juski:

might be the BFSQ causing the pauses

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laga:

what's the BFSQ?

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Dibblah:

Big Ugly Scheduler Query.

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juski:

big fercking scheduler query

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laga:

heh

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desidany:

I don't see much activity in the mythbackend log..

[12:37:15]

laga:

well, what kind of activity do you see there?

[12:38:38]

desidany:

there are few autoexpire logs.. plus few EIT events being added..

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desidany:

nothing unusal..

[12:39:34]

rooaus:

if eit crawl updates the epg won't a reschedule occur?

[12:40:02]

desidany:

I can recover from the freeze by going back to Watch LiveTV menu and starting again..

[12:40:26]

laga:

rooaus: i think so

[12:41:12]

Kyler:

I'm looking for simple command line instructions for remultiplexing an .mpg file recorded by a PVR-250 for dvdauthor.

[12:41:13]

desidany:

but when I get back to watch live tv I see "Preview Error... Previewer File. /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/xyz...mpg is not valid.. in the backend log..

[12:41:24]

juski:

system could be too low on ram or disk space

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desidany:

no it's 2 GB RAM with 280 GB hard disk for recordings..

[12:42:08]

desidany:

with AMD +4000..

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rooaus:

I thought trunk had some improvements with table locks (or something) when rescheduling, wonder if they are in -fixes.

[12:42:27]

desidany:

so in terms of processing power or HDD capacity shouldn't be a problem..

[12:43:10]

juski:

chuck the ATI card in the bin

[12:43:38]

Kyler:

When I feed my .mpg file to mplex I get "**ERROR: [mplex] File highlander.mpg unrecogniseable!"

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juski:

Kyler: try asking in #mplex

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desidany:

it's nVidia card.. :) ..

[12:45:12]

Kyler:

juski: Thanks! Will do. (I thought this was more of a MythTV-common operation.)

[12:45:45]

rooaus:

desidany: So the video freezes until you exit livetv? I have seen stalls for 5–10 secs before.

[12:46:15]

Kyler:

Wait...nobody appears to be in #mplex...

[12:46:31]

desidany:

yes... it freezes till I ext livetv..

[12:46:35]

juski:

Kyler: point is, your Q has FA to to with mythtv :)

[12:47:22]

desidany:

I tried pausing live tv for 5,10 sec etc.. but doesn't help the freeze..

[12:47:43]

juski:

solution is not to watch live tv :)

[12:48:36]

Kyler:

juski: And yet it appears in

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm I'm curious. do any of you using precompiled packages know what arch they are building them for ?

[12:49:27]

Kyler:

O.k., I'll put it another way...How do I get files out of MythTV and ready for dvdauthor from the command line (not MythArchive)?

[12:50:59]

juski:

er.. nuvexport?

[12:51:23]

juski:

though if you're recording at a non-dvd resolution in a non-mpeg2 format I'd forget all about it if I were you

[12:51:33]

Kyler:

nuvexport doesn't support MPEG2 since...oh...gotta find the wording...

[12:51:55]

juski:

I'm pretty sure DVD is an output format of nuvexport

[12:52:16]

Kyler:

There's something about it not being there since the "built-in" support was added.

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Kyler:

But yes, I recall seeing DVD. I assumed it wasn't quite right anymore since everyone on the lists talks about remultiplexing.

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Kyler:

I'll give it a go...

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rooaus:

Kyler: Why don't you look at mytharchive, as far as I know there is the gui frontend but the heavy lifting is done by backend scripts that you might be able to use.

[12:56:12]

rooaus:

I recall some mention of projectx being the best at maintaining audio sync, although I don't know how true that is.

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Kyler:

mytharchive is a bit too GUI for me. I did try it though. I went through everything and then it just stopped.

[12:57:06]

juski:

all that hassle just to save themselves the cost of a dvd recorder.. :P

[12:57:29]

Kyler:

Oh! Now I recall the problem I hit with nuvexport.

[12:57:43]

rooaus:

Kyler: I meant look at the scripts that it uses, AFAIK the gui collects the command line options that are used by the scripts.

[12:57:55]

laga:

i like kmediafactory to make dvds

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juski:

anyway any restrictions nuvexport has are generally down to ffmpeg

[12:58:10]

** juski believes there's FA worth keeping on TV anyway **

[12:58:29]

Kyler:

nuvexport fails with "Waited too long for mythtranscode to create its fifos." when trying to export to "DVD".

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Kyler:

I tried nuvexport again and it seems to have caught this time. (I disabled noise reduction.)

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jarle:

So, what do I need to do to get smooth playback of HD material on my mythbox? I thought that my Core 2 Duo E6750 should have enough steam for this?

[13:31:32]

laga:

mpeg2 or h264?

[13:31:48]

jarle:

laga: h.264

[13:32:05]

laga:

heh

[13:32:23]

laga:

not quite obviously. are you running svn trunk?

[13:33:05]

jarle:

laga: no, 20.2-fixes

[13:33:13]

laga:

trunk is better wrt to cpu usage

[13:33:42]

laga:

there'll be ffmpeg merge soon AFAIK which will get us multithreaded h.264 decoding AFAIK

[13:34:52]

jarle:

laga: actually I'm having problems getting h.264 1080P to run smooth in mplayer trunk also... (and I though that that multithread patch was already commited to mplayer trunk, but appearently not...

[13:37:40]

laga:

dunno about mplayert

[13:38:26]

jarle:

libavcodec == ffmpeg?

[13:40:38]

laga:

yes, libavcodec stems from ffmpeg

[13:45:04]

jarle:

laga: I was just looking at the list of included codecs when compiling mplayer and I found libavcodec, but nothing about ffmpeg

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** laga repeats: **

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laga:

libavcodec is a part of ffmpeg

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anhdepyeu:

Hi, any recommendations on the 'best' HDTV tuner card for over-the-air? I was ready to buy the pcHDTV HD-5500 but I've been seeing some negative comments about reception in various forums.

[13:59:45]

Kazan:

jarle: h264 = cpu whore

[14:00:23]

Kazan:

anhdepyeu: i use a KWorld ATSC 110.. my OTA reception is crap but it has QAM256 and the cable company rebroadcasts all the ATSC channels in unencrypted QAM (and must do so by law)

[14:00:39]

Kazan:

i actually get more channels over QAM256 and with better quality than i was getting over ATSC

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Kazan:

Hauppauge has a dual tuner analog mpeg2 encoding/atsc+qam board the HVR 1800

[14:01:09]

Kazan:

but it's kernel support is WIP

[14:01:29]

Kazan:

(it's like a PVR-500, but one head is atsc+qam.... and it's a new conexant mpeg2 encoder so it isn't supported yet)

[14:01:49]

anhdepyeu:

Kazan: I'm hoping to avoid paying for cable (I don't currently have it for analog reception)

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anhdepyeu:

Have you tried the HVR1800 yet? Rekon drivers are working soon?

[14:03:38]

Kazan:

i know the drivers will be working soon

[14:03:47]

Kazan:

the person writting them, who is a hauppauge employee, hangs out in channel

[14:04:00]

bradd:

is there any documentation on the playback profile stuff in the svn version?

[14:04:18]

Kazan:

bradd: documentation? you expect mythtv to have documentation? are you kidding :P

[14:04:28]

Kazan:

i can help you with it though as i've set it up

[14:04:52]

Kazan:

mine is set to do XV < 1280x720 and XvMC >= 1280x720

[14:05:00]

Kazan:

and DISABLE OPENGL RENDERERS in trunk

[14:05:04]

Kazan:

unless they've fixed them

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** Kazan checks the svn timeline **

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laga:

what's wrong with the opengl renderers, Kazan?

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Kazan:

laga: when daniel merged mythtv-vid he disabled them because they're unstable... i forced them enabled and it caused crashing big time – like full syslockup – so i disabled them

[14:17:39]

Kazan:

with them on HD consumes 10% less CPU on my system though

[14:17:55]

** Kazan is recompiling latest trunk right now **

[14:18:12]

Kazan:

"OpenGL video no" still

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Kazan:

lol can i chain anymore commands "screen nice -n 15 make"

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laga:

add some "&& echo zomg lol"

[14:19:35]

Kazan:

hehe

[14:19:42]

Kazan:

make that a loop :D

[14:20:20]

Kazan:

is there an RSS feed of the timeline, changesets only

[14:24:17]

rooaus:

Kazan: Select timeline from trac then repository checkins only in the selector in the top right. Then use the rss link right at the bottom.

[14:25:17]

Kazan:

afk now

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bradd:

hmm. this doesnt seem good:

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bradd:

Video sync method can't support double framerate (refresh rate too low for bob deint)

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juski:

so increase yer refresh rate :)

[14:37:05]

venger:

for a frontend is the only way to change address pointing to backend is with mythtv-setup? I used debian apt-get to install mythtv-frontend. The initial setup screens and main menu come up but it never asked me about the backend. Must I do a full install on the frontend as well?

[14:37:24]

juski:

no

[14:37:46]

juski:

you tell it where the database lives, then it finds the backend from that

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venger:

right, but the only documented way i've seen is using mythtv-setup which doesn't exist at present. is there a specific text config file?

[14:38:13]

bradd:

VertRefresh 60.0 – 60.0

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bradd:

i didnt think it could be set any highr for a tv

[14:39:02]

venger:

sorry, misread, it have told it the database however even though it finds db there are still errors about the backend and that it was connecting to 127.0.0.1 for it

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juski:

venger: if the frontend is remote then you need to change the backend configuration & mysql permissions/privileges

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juski:

i.e. if you want to connect from a different machine, the backend has to run on the machine's real IP address, not 127.0.0.1 and mysql connections must be allowed from other IPs – and you'll want to check that the mysql server isn't bound to 127.0.0.1 too

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venger:

this has nothing to do with mysql, not only do manual tests work, mythfrontend no longer complains about that piece. i'm not convinced that the DB IP setting also equals the backend ip

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Kazan:

AMD has 3-core and 4-core processors coming out

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Kyler:

Ick. I just tried nuvexport to make a dvdauthor-compatible MPEG file and it looks horrible.

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jarle:

For all that is interested, just tested latest mplayer trunk with "-lavdopts threads=2" and it seems to use multithread while decoding h.264 now...

[14:57:58]

piksi:

has anyone got experience of using a mythtv server where the tv shows are recorded and streamed off another computer's hdd via 100mbit home lan?

[14:58:05]

piksi:

is it responsive enough?

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|Torg|:

do you mean recoding HD from a backend and playing it on a frontend?

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janneg:

piksi: that a common use case for mythtv

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venger:

i thought he meant recording from a server that uses a remoted HD perhaps NAS, NFS or something

[15:00:06]

piksi:

both the backend and frontend would be running on the same computer but the backend would use external hdd's on another computer for storing and streaming the files with nfs/samba whatever

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|Torg|:

you can record HD onto a NFS mount as well

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|Torg|:

its sorta backwards to do that tho, as you would be storing reomtely and then reading it back remotly

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venger:

the backend wouldn't be aware that the hd was remote

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piksi:

yep

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piksi:

the remote mounting is not the question, i know it's transparent and works

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|Torg|:

BTW NFS is a type of NAS so including both is sort of redundant

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piksi:

but i'm concerned of the speed / lag

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|Torg|:

use NFS3, tcp

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|Torg|:

on a switched network

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venger:

honesly, max throughput for 100mbit is 12mb/s but due to overhead you'll get maybe 8mb/s on average

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venger:

and thats congested, you can't do much else during.. i suggest you upgrade to a cheap gig switch and gig cards myself

[15:04:03]

piksi:

hmm, my server computer has two integrated gigabit eth cards, i think i'll use the other for solely this purpose

[15:04:32]

piksi:

so that the computers are directly connected without switch/lan interfering in between

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Kyler:

I tried using the "built-in" transcode and it errored with code 247.

[15:05:21]

venger:

you mean like a loop cable piksi?

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|Torg|:

recording 1080I only takes a bit over 2MB/s

[15:06:08]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, get a better HD source!

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bradd:

SAMSUNG (DFP-0): 165.0 MHz maximum pixel clock, does that mean the max vertrefresh is 165 mhz?

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|Torg|:

ok directhex|work from where :P

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willcooke:

cheap built in gig cards are generally rtl8169 chips and struggle to push much more than 20MB a sec, a 100mb network will see 10MB/s plenty of bandwidth

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piksi:

venger: yes

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directhex|work:

Premiere!

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|Torg|:

you gona pay for my flat :P

[15:07:14]

directhex|work:

willcooke, rt8169 is a godsend compared to some

[15:08:05]

willcooke:

directhex|work, I'm told the newer drivers work pretty well but I don't think they've made it in to the ubuntu kernel yet.

[15:08:40]

willcooke:

the one that came with my nforce 2 chipset'd MB is nice. can't remember what it's called....

[15:08:54]

piksi:

i always compile vanilla myself, has worked way better than any of the stock kernels

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|Torg|:

VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 18800.0 kbps (2350.0 kbyte/s)

[15:09:09]

** willcooke gave up with that years ago. **

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piksi:

and solved a lot of 8169 / ipw2200 / cups / mythtv-problems in the past

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|Torg|:

AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 384.0 kbit/25.00% (ratio: 48000->192000)

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venger:

piksi you could always do tests with statistics and post it on a blog for the world to see

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|Torg|:

thats roughly 2.3MB/s

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willcooke:

= nearly 5 channels!

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venger:

sustained, no dips

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directhex|work:

willcooke, rt8169 is a still godsend compared to some

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piksi:

venger: i'll try that for sure, just waiting for some new parts to arrive... i'll post a blog as soon as the system is set up

[15:10:23]

venger:

lol ok cool

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|Torg|:

its in 2ch becase the null player dosnt decode DTS :P

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willcooke:

directhex|work, I need a new card – what should I avoid?

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directhex|work:

willcooke, sky2

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|Torg|:

anything with ATI in its name

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willcooke:

gig nic's

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Dibblah:

"BBC are focussing on MHEG, an ISO standard for interactive markup – in particular they have extended the MythTV stack to support it. ThereÂ’s an IDE and an emacs mode for it, unit tests, etc.."

[15:12:17]

Dibblah:

Err... They did?

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directhex|work:

willcooke, sky2 is pain. i spent lots of hard cash on a bnx2 pcie card instead

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Dibblah:

Skystar2 is just fine.

[15:14:18]

willcooke:

directhex|work, I'll stick with the cheapo rt8169's then! :)

[15:14:29]

Dibblah:

Ah :)

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Dibblah:

Network things.

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willcooke:

Dibblah, are the bbc claiming to have contributed to myth?

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venger:

i bought a few zonet cards with that chipset for like 10 bucks a pop

[15:15:11]

Dibblah:

willcooke: I don't believe so. It was on a blog thing.

[15:16:07]

Dibblah:

http://andypiper.wordpress.com/2007/06/16/the . . . eractive-tv/

[15:17:45]

Dibblah:

However, http://strange.corante.com/archives/2007/08/2 . . . ackstage.php

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willcooke:

wtf http://strange.corante.com/archives/2007/08/2 . . . ackstage.php is barely even english

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Dibblah:

It's someone taking non-shorthand notes, I think.

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directhex|work:

it's still incomprehensible

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gbee:

Dibblah: they announced plans for it very recently, but haven't returned any code back to us yet

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Dibblah:

Interesting.

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Dibblah:

Shame more people don't do MHEG :(

[15:23:57]

Dibblah:

Or at least an open middleware stack would be good.

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gbee:

heh, read that article back when it was written (the TV festival one) – it's just a journo's scribbled notes from an interview with a BBC employee

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gbee:

mythtv's MHEG stack works pretty well – just needs some additional touches, like caching so it loads images etc a little faster

[15:26:08]

gbee:

what the Beeb are talking about is building some new interactive TV stuff and extending the current MHEG support so that it works with mythtv

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Dibblah:

... And extends out onto other (web) based media, if I'm not reading too much into that interview.

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gbee:

although their interest in mythtv probably only comes from the fact that it's just about the only open source mheg processing application – so they get free code to play with

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willcooke:

why do they use mheg over, i don't know, html?

[15:28:54]

** willcooke reads wikipedia **

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** willcooke understands **

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|Torg|:

look up MHEG-5

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gbee:

mheg has more in common with flash than a simple rendering language like HTML

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Dibblah:

Yup. It's even been used as 'access control'...

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willcooke:

hahahahahah – access control. Very good joke.

[15:31:14]

Dibblah:

Seriously. It was.

[15:31:18]

willcooke:

:)

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willcooke:

I know that sort of channel you're talking about. :D

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Dibblah:

On the UK DVB-t broadcasts, there was a channel that used an MHEG application to control access.

[15:31:55]

Dibblah:

Sure – But it still happened...

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willcooke:

and is still there

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willcooke:

erm, I would expect. cough cogh

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** Dibblah is not going to go fishing. **

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Dibblah:

Probably a bad choice of words.

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Dibblah:

Oh well.

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willcooke:

:)

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gbee:

I've discovered that the plugin AC/DC transformers tend to put out a much higher voltage than they claim on the labelling – 9v = 14.5v, 7.5v = 12v etc

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directhex|work:

gbee, all of them?

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gbee:

well the three I've randomly tested

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juski:

gbee: I'll put money on said mains adapters being unregulated.

[15:41:00]

juski:

no-load voltages are often much higher

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|Torg|:

gbee is somewhat common that a device can handle higher voltages then rated

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Kritter:

anyone had mythtv while playing dvds, so mythdvd(?) and it just stops, kicking you out to the menu. Often after having watched most of your movie/tv show.

[15:42:19]

juski:

those are the type which are basically nothing more than a transformer (maybe with switchable secondary windings), a bridge rectifier & a smoothing capacitor. Then the voltage across the capacitor (i.e. the output voltage) is proportional to the load pulled from the adapter

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juski:

in this day & age I'm amazed unregulated PSUs are still made – the price of voltage regulator chips is mere pennies now

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gbee:

well I'm not sure the 9v, 600mA adpater I'd picked out for my little project is so suitable – at least not without putting in some additonal changes to the design (i.e. an additional resistor to bring it back down to 9v)

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gbee:

or a voltage regulator

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juski:

LM78L09 :)

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juski:

try it under load, gbee

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gbee:

guess for now I'll stick to battery power – more reliable voltage

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Dibblah:

juski: Ewww. Linear regulators.

[15:44:17]

juski:

Dibblah: cheaper than SMPSU regulation by far

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juski:

big inductors :(

[15:44:39]

Dibblah:

Not all that much difference these days.

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** willcooke reads Trolltech are GPL'ing QT phone edition **

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Dibblah:

Inductor size goes down with switching frequency.

[15:45:02]

juski:

there's no doubt a massive difference in china, Dibblah ;)

[15:45:14]

Dibblah:

Not really.

[15:45:27]

Dibblah:

Since shipping is the larger cost these days.

[15:45:51]

juski:

the Happy Happy Transformer Lucky Company in Wan-Ton province will still need an outlet for its multi-secondary mains transformers :)

[15:45:51]

Dibblah:

And 60hz transformers are _heavy_ compared to khz ones.

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gbee:

juski: I'll do that if I can figure out how to get the test probes in the right place without opening up whatever it is plugged into ;)

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juski:

I buy my wall warts from www.cpc.co.uk – their switch-mode adapters are cheaper than Maplin's linear regulated jobbies

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juski:

I hate wall warts though. bane of my frickin life

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gbee:

and I'd need to be sure that I'd actually get that same voltage when it was under load with my iR illuminator – don't want to blow £30 worth of LEDs ;)

[15:48:56]

juski:

anyway when it comes to these unregulated adapters, they generally cost a few quid (like 1 or 2 or 3) from the local conscooter fair, as opposed to something decent

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juski:

they're ok for most electronic goods these days because so many things have internally regulated rails anyway

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gbee:

this one belong to an old rechargable portable CD player

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gbee:

was handily lying around and seemed perfect according to the stated output, but I was only able to check the actual output today

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juski:

heh you don't wanna reverse the polarity of the PSU & end up with your LEDs sucking all the IR light from the surroundings

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gbee:

juski: reckon you could recommend something from the maplin catalogue? There is a store handy in town and so it saves me paying a lost of postage on a component worth less than £1

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juski:

and remember – if you see colours from the LED you don't expect to see you're overdriving it ;)

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gbee:

heh

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gbee:

lol, don't expect to see _any_ colours

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gbee:

well maybe a low red light but then these LEDs are in the 940 end of the spectrum, the visible red light tends to be emitted by 850 LEDs (apparently)

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juski:

aye

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juski:

you rigging up cctv like?

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juski:

gbee: this one looks alright http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ITAG=SPEC . . . oy=18m9#spec – and it'll have enough current available for another 2 strings of LEDs

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juski:

or change yer series resistor & drop it down to 3V output then you get 2.5A & less waste

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juski:

btw I can heartily recommend ledshoppe.com for all your LED needs

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gbee:

bought a camera cheap and rigged it up in the garden just to see what wildlife was running about at night – was so impressed by the first night results that I'm already planning on expanding the setup and I'm starting by increasing the IR light coverage

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gbee:

juski: cheers

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Dibblah:

gbee: If you're thinking of Maplin, don't ;)

[16:02:05]

Dibblah:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/140-IR-Led-Infrared-Ill . . . cmdZViewItem

[16:02:17]

Dibblah:

Something like that would be overkill, probably.

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juski:

spiders love my IR camera

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juski:

Â£14.99 for 140 IR LEDs in a nice box? wow

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willcooke:

is I wanted to change a recording to status of "watched" would I.... "UPDATE recorded SET watched=1 WHERE chanid = "xxxx" AND starttime = "yyyyyyyyy"

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juski:

willcooke: basically yesh

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willcooke:

ta!

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Dibblah:

juski: Nope.

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juski:

if by 'is' you meant 'if'

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Dibblah:

Shipping doesn't cost that much – Even from China.

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willcooke:

oh, yeah – sorry about that

[16:04:14]

gbee:

Dibblah: saw those, but despite the seller rating I'm not too comfortable buying stuff on ebay from outside the UK

[16:04:25]

juski:

Dibblah: you didn't read your own linky. starting bid is $14.99

[16:04:27]

Dibblah:

gbee: Generally, it's fine.

[16:04:35]

gbee:

especially China – know someone who got burnt there

[16:04:52]

juski:

I bought a wireless camera for Â£1 plus Â£10 p&p a couple of years back. was mint!

[16:05:08]

juski:

put it on your r/c car – hours of fun

[16:05:10]

Dibblah:

juski: Â£14.99 + Â£12.99

[16:05:31]

gbee:

besides I'm enjoying wiring up this illuminator myself, even if it is causing me more hassle than buying new

[16:05:39]

Dibblah:

gbee: Heh :)

[16:06:07]

juski:

I was mostly building a 19" rack mounted cat5 video receiver with telemetry controller today

[16:06:24]

laga:

sounds fun

[16:06:26]

gbee:

atm it's working out cheaper than anything you can buy in this country (prices start at £50!)

[16:06:57]

juski:

gbee did you try fspsecurity.co.uk ?

[16:07:22]

gbee:

and yes, I have bought all the components from maplin (online) – but forgive me, this is the first electronics work I've done in ~15 years

[16:08:20]

gbee:

juski: that domain correct?

[16:08:38]

juski:

maybe I missed a hyphen out

[16:08:57]

juski:

or maybe it's not even fsp

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Dibblah:

rapid.

[16:09:51]

gbee:

heh

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Dibblah:

Much more reasonable.

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juski:

I like cpc, but their minimum order Q is daft

[16:11:54]

Dibblah:

http://www.rapidonline.com

[16:13:21]

juski:

sfpsecurity.co.uk

[16:13:48]

juski:

plagued by the grocer's apostrophe but what the hell

[16:14:26]

gbee:

didn't expect maplin to be the cheapest, much like any high street store their prices will be higher, but it takes time to discover all the reliable and cheap alternatives

[16:15:25]

juski:

I wouldn't pee on maplins if they were on fire after my last visit

[16:15:59]

juski:

"can I help you?".. "yes I hope so.. I'm looking for some video coax".. "ah ok. do you want AGP or PCI express?"

[16:16:17]

juski:

"goodbye!"

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willcooke:

sheesh!

[16:16:19]

Dibblah:

http://www.rapidonline.com/productinfo.aspx?t . . . duleno=32145

[16:16:34]

Dibblah:

200w for Â£15.

[16:16:52]

Dibblah:

... Of course, you have to be confident with SMD ;)

[16:17:03]

Dibblah:

And rather insane would help too.

[16:17:22]

juski:

oh I'm confident with SMD. I just have a distinct & very marked hatred of 0402 components

[16:17:39]

Dibblah:

Nothing wrong with 0402.

[16:17:49]

gbee:

heh, highlighted review on that site is one by you ;)

[16:19:22]

gbee:

Dibblah: I'd go blind trying to assemble something based on those ;)

[16:19:37]

Dibblah:

Nah. All you need is a toaster oven.

[16:19:44]

Dibblah:

And some solder paste.

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gbee:

http://sfpsecurity.co.uk/osshop/product_info. . . . oducts_id=66

[16:21:17]

gbee:

that's pretty reasonable compared to the prices I'm seeing elsewhere – no stock though

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Yahooadam:

how can i copy the feqid to the channum ?

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gbee:

right, I'll go back to assembling the parts I've already bought – at the very least they'll make a reasonable battery powered IR torch for occassional use

[16:24:56]

gbee:

I've already constructed the casing, wouldn't want to waste that effort

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Yahooadam:

SELECT * FROM `channel` WHERE `sourceid` =2 AND not(isnull( `freqid` ))

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Yahooadam:

how can i get it to copy the freqid to channum from that ?

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MilkBoy:

update channel set channum = freqid where .... ?

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Yahooadam:

ty

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juski:

juskischannelwizard.pl Sky Entertainment M40

[16:44:46]

juski:

muhahaha

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Yahooadam:

cheers milkboy, worked a treat :)

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juski:

ugh. there are actually people on experts-exchange.com asking mythtv questions. lawl

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laga:

juski: easy money? :)

[16:47:31]

juski:

you get paid for answering questions there?

[16:48:06]

Yahooadam:

dont think so

[16:48:09]

laga:

oh

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Hoxzer:

:D This can't be irc-logs had my HDD filled over night and nwo that I edited my lircrc and tried to save it "oops I got a empty file"

[16:48:17]

laga:

well, i've seen a few people willing to pay for support

[16:48:37]

Yahooadam:

you can pay experts exchange to ask and view questions

[16:48:37]

Hoxzer:

Luckily I had old backups at least

[16:48:43]

Yahooadam:

but i dont think the people who answer get paid

[16:49:09]

juski:

Ask a question – and have it answered within 30 minutes! "RTFM noob!"

[16:49:26]

Dagmar:

Fuck that

[16:49:35]

Dagmar:

We need the Bush Party Line policy

[16:49:42]

Dagmar:

Ask a question, get tased and dragged away

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Dagmar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

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Dagmar:

See how well it works?

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Yahooadam:

How can i select * from `channel` where duplicated(`channum`) ?

[16:50:49]

Yahooadam:

duplicates

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Hoxzer:

:D Am I a evil person if I find that comical ?

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gbee:

umm before I solder this in place, does it matter whether the resistor is placed before or after the LEDs?

[16:55:07]

Yahooadam:

i dont think so

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gbee:

doesn't seem like it should matter

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gbee:

but it would be just that sort of assumption that will land me in trouble ;)

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Yahooadam:

i did get an A in electronics for A level, but that wouldnt help :p

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Yahooadam:

i dont think it will make a difference, but its not my fault if it breaks

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venger:

are you building a homebrew IR receiver gbee?

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Blaksmith:

making a home-made blaster? I had to take the resistor out of mine... it's runnin 30' to the stb heh

[16:58:27]

gbee:

nah, IR illuminator – entirely unrelated to mythtv, but I'm just abusing the collective knowledge here ;)

[16:58:41]

Blaksmith:

ahhh heh

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venger:

illuminator? is that the same as extender?

[16:59:23]

venger:

just curious is all

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Yahooadam:

no lol

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Yahooadam:

illuminator is just an IR LED on all the time

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gbee:

it's a light, but emits light in the IR spectrum, invisible to the naked eye but visible to nightvision cameras

[17:00:33]

Yahooadam:

i think gbee has a hawt neighbor he wants to record

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gbee:

usually used to "light" up an area for CCTV

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gbee:

Yahooadam: yeah, she's a fox

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gbee:

literally, unforunately

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Blaksmith:

heh

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gbee:

unfortunately

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gbee:

foxs, hegdehogs, bats and small rodents ;)

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Yahooadam:

i bet you know lots about small rodents :p

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Yahooadam:

update `channel` set `channum` = 'D' & `channum` where `sourceid` =1

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Yahooadam:

whats wrong with my query :(

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gbee:

what's with the "& channum" bit? what are you trying to do there?

[17:08:23]

Yahooadam:

add a D to the front of channum

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Yahooadam:

howcome when i cancel a recording on sky, mythtv keeps recording it

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venger:

testing mythv with mouse hooked up and can only see cursor when its in a field. is this expected?

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Slyboots:

venger: Yup, mythtv does not use the mouse normaly

[17:26:14]

venger:

for the drop menu on audio output device i can't seem to get it to drop down with the keyboard, it doesn't drop down automatically like other fields do

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Slyboots:

try using left-right to move down the list

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Slyboots:

Or up/down

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venger:

ok left right changes it, easy enough

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delmar:

venger, there is a setting (i forget where) to enable the mouse cursor.

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venger:

ok ill probably find it soon enough, going through all settings now. thanks for the tip

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delmar:

So I used nuvexport yesterday on a small 25min ep. i set bitrate to 128 for audio, 1070 for video, 640x480 since it was a 4:3 and let it rip...(Xvid)... what I got was an 87mb file that looked like crap. it should have been bigger surely.

[17:38:34]

Hoxzer:

What button brings up EPG in the live TV mode ? Mythtv Docs report it is M but it is clearly key for OSD menu

[17:39:38]

venger:

would anyone recommend Chaintech AV-710 for a frontend soundcard ?

[17:40:26]

BULLE:

venger: what soundcard you want to put in your frontend totaly depends on what your particular needs are

[17:40:39]

BULLE:

venger: most important thing is to pick a card that has good support in linux, so check alsa homepage for support

[17:40:59]

BULLE:

venger: then, basicly, the better soundquality you want, from the analog outputs on the card, the more expensive it gets, so just pick whatever fits your budget

[17:41:09]

Dagmar:

SoundBlaster Live FTW

[17:41:11]

venger:

well i mainly need fibre since coaxial is consumed in the receiver

[17:42:08]

** delmar has another fight with lirc **

[17:42:12]

BULLE:

venger: if all you want to use is spdif/toslink then the quality of the card isnt that important, just pick something that has good linux support, and has the connectors you want

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directhex:

digital audio JustWorked(tm) for me

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Dagmar:

So, again, SBLive FTW

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directhex:

i was actually surprised – stereo, ac3 passthru, no config at all, just hooked up then cable

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georgek:

Yahooadam, did you figure out your mysql concatenating issue with UPDATEing channum?

[17:44:44]

directhex:

Dagmar, a creative card won't gain you anything in that direction over cheapo realtek onboard

[17:44:44]

coreyo:

is there support for sqlite in mythtv yet?

[17:45:14]

Dagmar:

directhex: If they have an onboard fiber port they won't be looking for one

[17:45:25]

Dagmar:

directhex: If they *don't* have one, then the sblive cards are dirt cheap

[17:45:46]

Dibblah:

Soundblaster... For digital audio. Interesting recommendation.

[17:46:28]

delmar:

When following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install on step2 (dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source) I am being asked " Should the carrier signal be generated by software? " ... whats the story here?

[17:47:14]

directhex:

Dagmar, gotta be careful though, a lot of soundblaster cards these days are somewhat less featured than older ones under linux

[17:47:24]

Dagmar:

Nah, only the onboard Dell ones

[17:47:36]

Anduin:

coreyo: No

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Dagmar:

They have a software-emulated emu10k chip, which is what borks it

[17:48:09]

directhex:

Dagmar, "live 24 bit" and "live 7.1" are castrated

[17:48:16]

Dibblah:

Didn't they have a serious issue with resampling digital audio?

[17:49:08]

directhex:

i'm just using onboard audio on my myth box. not as if i have spare PCI slots anyway

[17:50:17]

Dagmar:

directhex: "24bit" isn't a PCI card, and 7.1 isn't emu10k1 based

[17:50:27]

Dagmar:

I wasn't saying "SBLive Extra Wiggly Edition"

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directhex:

Dagmar, i never said it was emu10k1 based. that's the point!

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directhex:

Dagmar, and unless you fish about on ebay, you're not gonna find an original sblive

[17:51:10]

Dagmar:

I bought one last month at CompUSA

[17:51:25]

Dagmar:

The gamer and mp3 editions are still perfectly normal cards

[17:51:38]

Dagmar:

...they're just bundled with a different cdrom

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Dibblah:

Heh. There was an original soundblaster not that long ago.

[17:53:01]

Dibblah:

On ebay.

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Dagmar:

I must have gotten lucky

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directhex:

Dibblah, wake me when a voodoo5 6000 surfaces

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Dagmar:

Good thing I still have four spares around here somewhere

[17:54:44]

directhex:

Dagmar, they still ship some modern emu10k cards

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Kazan:

audigy 4s are good

[17:55:03]

Kazan:

if you get a real audigy 4 not one of the strip down editions

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Dibblah:

Not all that much point under Linux.

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directhex:

Dibblah, why not? audigy 4 is emu10k2, works fine

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georgek:

Yahooadam; UPDATE channel SET channum = concat('D',channum) WHERE sourceid = 1;

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defaultro:

hey folks, quick question

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defaultro:

Currently doing QAM capture via Fusion HDTV lite card. if I transfer from Comcast to Direct TV, how will I record now?

[18:03:39]

gbee:

it works, it works! muhahaha

[18:05:09]

defaultro:

LOL

[18:05:16]

defaultro:

but how is the recording done

[18:05:24]

defaultro:

do i need to buy a new capture card?

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gbee:

not sure I'd win any prizes for my soldering, either in the quality or the time it took me (over 40 minutes to connect six leds, one resistor and wires to the power)

[18:05:44]

gbee:

defaultro: sorry, referencing an earlier conversation ;)

[18:05:46]

defaultro:

what gbee? what did you just say? what is that for

[18:05:50]

defaultro:

lol

[18:06:48]

defaultro:

so looks like everyone here is with Comcast :P or maybe, they're just busy :P

[18:07:23]

defaultro:

so, as much as possible, run away from Satellite providers?

[18:07:48]

Yahooadam:

georgek – im afraid i didnt

[18:08:44]

georgek:

Yahooadam, read back a little bit for an example that will work.

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defaultro:

Just found this, Since you have a receiver you don't need a "tv tuner" card, just a video capture card. There are lots to choose from, so I would look for a common model listed on mythtv.org. The most common seems to be the PVR 250 and 350.

[18:09:12]

defaultro:

that's not a good capture. I wish we can also record HD

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Yahooadam:

ah, i see georgek

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Yahooadam:

thanks :)

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Yahooadam:

now if i could find out why mythtv doesnt stop recording when i tell it to

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GreyFoxx:

A scheduled recording isn'tstopping when you go into the Watch Recordings screen and say "Stop Recording" ?

[18:17:55]

defaultro:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/08/23/schedules-d . . . a-price-war/ but old

[18:18:24]

defaultro:

hi Greyfoxx, what are ways to record HD from Direct TV provider?

[18:18:30]

Dagmar:

Wow

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mike3_:

crab lickers

[18:18:39]

Dagmar:

What a load of sensationalist crapola

[18:19:42]

directhex:

craaaaaab peeeeeople... craaaaaab peeeeeople...

[18:19:58]

Dagmar:

That's like seeing a black guy and a white guy looking at their watches at the same time, and calling it a race war

[18:20:32]

mike3_:

Work is very frustrating today. I'm going to explode. I need to find something that will help relax my nerves. I need alchol or something

[18:20:59]

Dagmar:

mike3_: Sports bars don't judge you

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: No idea. I have no idea what kind of outputs their boxes have

[18:21:41]

GreyFoxx:

I assume there aren't many options

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

so looks like there is no way to record HD from DTV sat boxes. I've read some folks are just recording via composite output

[18:23:01]

defaultro:

the reason I mentioned is because they're offering a really great deal right now

[18:23:09]

mike3_:

Dagmar, I need something man

[18:23:32]

mike3_:

Dagmar, I think I might just go home tonight and relax on my balcony with a beer.

[18:23:41]

Dagmar:

A sports bar is a perfectly acceptable place to have lunch, and they'll serve you a bloody mary at noon without so much as batting an eye

[18:23:42]

mike3_:

Feel the nice breeze and just try to calm myself down

[18:24:05]

mike3_:

Dagmar, A sports bar sounds nice, but whom do I go with

[18:24:08]

mike3_:

See my point

[18:24:18]

defaultro:

mike3, my french friend told me that I feel frustated in office, he told me to look at the ceiling and smile wide

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Dagmar:

mike3_: Real men are comfortable alone

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mike3_:

defaultro, why

[18:24:38]

defaultro:

mike3, i don't know what he means though

[18:24:47]

defaultro:

he just said, i will feel calm and happy

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defaultro:

lol

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mike3_:

hahahah

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defaultro:

i have to ask him again

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defaultro:

i just did it again just now, i'm laughing so hard now, hahahaa

[18:25:28]

mike3_:

Dagmar, Sit at a bar and get slushed huh...

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mike3_:

:)

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Dagmar:

That's what all those TVs are for

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Dagmar:

So you can drink while you watch TV

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mike3_:

and eat nachos

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mike3_:

oh and get FAT

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mike3_:

:D

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defaultro:

hmmmm, i missed the hot cheese and nachos at theaters

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Dagmar:

Bloody marys are nutritious

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Dagmar:

They're made with tomatoes

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Dagmar:

That's a vegetable you know

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defaultro:

Dagmar, you in the u.s.?

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Dagmar:

defaultro: yes

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defaultro:

can i ask something off topic

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Dagmar:

Possibly

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defaultro:

ok

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: FRUIT!

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Dagmar:

I almost forgot the celery stick

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defaultro:

I've been doing some sidelines like firewall installation/mail/dns and now I would like to open up a business name. Is there any website you know how I can start the business name?

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Kazan:

getting used to contactgs is a spinal monkey

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defaultro:

like register the name

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Yahooadam:

greyfox

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defaultro:

i mean, just registering the name

[18:29:03]

Yahooadam:

when i go into mythweb, tell it to record a program thats on, once

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Dagmar:

As far as I know you head to yer local municipality and file for a business licence

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Yahooadam:

then go back and tell it not to reccord, it doesnt stop recording it

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Dagmar:

There's places online where you can dig up how to file as an LLC for like $150 or something

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defaultro:

Ok. Local municipality, would that be the village?

[18:29:49]

defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

let me go to our village website

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Dagmar:

defaultro: County Seat if you're in the US. *Maybe* state capitol. I don't know for sure on that since they're the same where I am

[18:30:19]

Dagmar:

If you're outside the US, I've no idea

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Cry_wolf2:

For usa..maybe this would be a good place to start: http://www.uspto.gov/

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defaultro:

i'm in IL

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defaultro:

thanks :)

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Dagmar:

Filing for a trademark and getting a licence to operate as a business are two separate things

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Dagmar:

Filing for a trademark is easier

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defaultro:

k

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Dagmar:

...and easier to lose

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Dibblah:

Anyone have a good parser for HTML (Screenscraping) in Perl?

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defaultro:

what are you going to parse?

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Dibblah:

Similar stuff to Juski, but for a one-off use.

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defaultro:

i don't even know what juski did :P

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Dibblah:

Channel numbers / channel name tables.

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Dibblah:

... To start with :)

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defaultro:

then you are going to update channels table in myth/

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defaultro:

?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

can't you just pull it from SD like what we do?

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Dibblah:

<SIGH>.

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Dibblah:

No.

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defaultro:

why?

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately.

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Dibblah:

I'd love to.

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defaultro:

why?

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Dibblah:

I'd pay my money, even.

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defaultro:

what is wrong?

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Dibblah:

But not everyone lives in the US :(

[18:36:07]

defaultro:

ah

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Dibblah:

Not even a nearby Canada, unfortunately.

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

so where will you be pulling yours?

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Dibblah:

So, it's xmltv all the way.

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Dibblah:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/displayepg.php?platform=digitalplus

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Dibblah:

Not for the epg – That's from Radio Times.

[18:37:24]

Dibblah:

But the _rt grabber doesn't do channel numbers.

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Yahooadam:

dibblah are u in the UK ?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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defaultro:

so that link is for your schedules?

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Dibblah:

defaultro: No.

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defaultro:

oh

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Dibblah:

That's the channel number -> Channel name map.

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defaultro:

where is the link?

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Yahooadam:

dibblah, i believe juski's script reads the channel list in xmltv

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Dibblah:

tv_grab_uk_rt already exists.

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defaultro:

looks like easy to scrape using regular expression

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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Dibblah:

I got told off for my sed fu earlier.

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Dibblah:

So I thought I may try and do it... Properly.

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defaultro:

=~

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defaultro:

first, grab the table tags

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defaultro:

then put it to a temp file

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defaultro:

work on the temp file

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Dibblah:

I know how to parse a table.

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Dibblah:

;)

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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Yahooadam:

my channel change script isnt 100%

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Dibblah:

I just wondered if anyone had used anything like Template::Extract

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Yahooadam:

if i do ./skychannel 106 a few times in a row

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Yahooadam:

it will send, 106, 106, 16, 106, 06

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Yahooadam:

or somthing like that

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defaultro:

just /.*$d+$<.td> it :D

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defaultro:

I would put all td openers and td close in one line

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Dibblah:

Yahooadam: Sounds like you need better delays.

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Yahooadam:

ive tried it with 0.25, 0.5 and 1 second delays

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Yahooadam:

no difference between then

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Dibblah:

Dumb IR sender?

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Dibblah:

Serial port

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Yahooadam:

yes

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Dibblah:

Yeah. Can be quite sensitive to whatever else is running :(

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Dibblah:

Better with a MCE USB thing.

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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juski:

you know you could already use my xml files in www.juski.co.uk/chanwiz/

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juski:

I parsed all the info I could find then manually unfuddled em all

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juski:

all the major sky packages are in sky.xml

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juski:

wouldn't take me long to make my parser script for Sky download the icons & update the database

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juski:

the cusp of a revolution in configuring UK mythtv channels is near :)

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Yahooadam:

i just send the channel change command 18 times b4 it screwed up

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willcooke:

juski, Good work that man!

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delmar:

man I am at a loss as to why this remote control wont work on this box.

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juski:

somebody had to do it

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venger:

defaultro, i see the SD rate switch from 3 to 6 months

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willcooke:

juski, perl?

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GreyFoxx:

venger: Yup, as people join it will go down. Cheaper makes me happy :)

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floppyears:

how is sd doing by the way? is there still a lot of work? or are things more calm now ?

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juski:

willcooke: yup. though it might've been as quick to do it in some other language I don't know ;)

[18:56:42]

juski:

but from perl it'll be simple to move to php – had thoughts about making it a web app

[18:56:53]

willcooke:

juski, you can make use of the binding as well I guess?

[18:57:01]

juski:

yeah but not right now

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delmar:

The com1 port works.. i had a modem on there previously... the remote and serial receiver work because I had them both working on another box previously... I have followed the walk throughs on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty.. but when I run IRW and press buttons.. nothing happens :(

[18:57:21]

delmar:

its as if the IR receiver and serial port dont like each other or something crazy

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** juski points towards #lirc **

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willcooke:

delmar, what happens if you just cat the /dev?

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juski:

cat /dev/lirc/0

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delmar:

willcooke, tried that too. cat /dev/lirc and pressed buttons.. no workie

[18:57:52]

juski:

you should see random chars when you press buttons on the remote

[18:58:19]

willcooke:

if it's a serial port can you cat that? I don't know if you'd see anything even if it was working though :/

[18:58:23]

juski:

is lirc_serial definitely loaded & looking at the right serial port?

[18:58:47]

juski:

is setserial organised so that the serial port is disabled (otherwise lirc_serial can't use it)

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delmar:

yup. did all that

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Yahooadam:

if you do sudo modprobe lirc_serial

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delmar:

its on... 0x03f8 irq4

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juski:

does /dev/lirc/0 exist ?

[18:59:26]

delmar:

juski, there is /dev/lirc and /dev/lirc0 etc

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venger:

GreyFoxx, i'm new to myth and still waiting on some parts. I will only be doing standard def for a while. I'm not sure if the tuner can download standard def cable listings from the service or if ill need something like SD. I wont have a problem signing up it that is the case.

[18:59:34]

juski:

delmar: try cat /dev/lirc0

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Yahooadam:

delmar, thats right

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delmar:

juski, yep. tried both

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juski:

delmar: if you can't cat, then something is wrong with the lirc hardware config

[19:00:05]

Yahooadam:

you have to sudo it on ubuntu

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juski:

don't remember having to sudo cat /dev/lirc

[19:00:50]

Yahooadam:

adam@DataServer1:/dev$ cat /dev/lirc0

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Yahooadam:

cat: /dev/lirc0: Permission denied

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juski:

though maybe I got smart & changed the owner

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Yahooadam:

adam@DataServer1:/dev$ ls -l lirc*

[19:01:09]

Yahooadam:

crw-rw---- 1 root root 61, 0 2007-09–17 23:06 lirc0

[19:01:09]

Yahooadam:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2007-09–18 19:26 lircd

[19:01:28]

juski:

wtf? "hi i need to know abt " how to be member of mythtv dev site""

[19:01:39]

Dibblah:

juski: Awww :(

[19:01:44]

Dibblah:

Thanks!

[19:01:53]

Dibblah:

And after I figured out:

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Dibblah:

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GreyFoxx:

vene: Are you in North America ?

[19:02:20]

juski:

Dibblah: that'll come in handy for updating stuff in later times ;)

[19:02:20]

delmar:

yeah I have those devices Yahooadam

[19:02:24]

venger:

GreyFoxx, yes

[19:02:53]

Yahooadam:

delmar, i assume u setup your lircd.conf

[19:02:56]

GreyFoxx:

venger: Ok, if you are going to be recording standard/analog cable you wont be able to grab then off the wire. At least not with myth

[19:03:04]

Yahooadam:

irw doesnt work with the wrong lircd.conf

[19:03:04]

juski:

omg no.. my dad's on facebook now

[19:03:46]

delmar:

Yahooadam, yep. downloaded the one for the remote however.. u would expect 'cat /dev/lirc' or 'cat /dev/lirc0' would show something regardless.

[19:03:49]

willcooke:

is it possible to start lirc not in daemon mode, and see what's going on?

[19:03:59]

venger:

GreyFoxx, ok i will deal with things as they come. I got some misconception watching a mythtv setup video but never seen the guy punch any listing configuration, it looked like he downloaded directly from time warner

[19:04:23]

juski:

Dibblah: what I need to do now is get the sky script nice & worky, and the virgin one – basically just copy the freeview bit & do some jiggling about. Then it'll need a menu of some kind to let the user choose which video source to update, whether to download icons, update channel numbers etc

[19:04:28]

willcooke:

having read the lirc site – no you cant start them as not daemon

[19:04:29]

delmar:

willcooke, lircd -n i think it was... yeah ill take a look.

[19:04:31]

lcase:

has somebody an working video profile for via-vld?

[19:04:46]

delmar:

willcooke, yeah u can start it in non-daemon

[19:04:53]

willcooke:

ah – ok

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Yahooadam:

delmar, doesnt for me

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delmar:

Yahooadam, lircd -n

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Yahooadam:

adam@DataServer1:/home/mythtv/bin$ sudo cat /dev/lirc0

[19:05:51]

Yahooadam:

*blankness until you ctrl + c*

[19:05:58]

georgek:

delmar, what *i* would do, is stop lircd, rmmod lirc_serial and lirc_dev, rm /dev/lirc* (to clear out old lirc nodes), then setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none (to clear the serial port), then modprobe lirc_serial and then verify what /dev/lirc nodes udev recreates.

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Yahooadam:

delmar, you have to sudo that

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delmar:

georgek, ok. lets give that a try.

[19:06:52]

delmar:

Yahooadam, i always work in a root shell. pffft with sudo all the time.

[19:07:13]

Yahooadam:

lol

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[19:07:38]

juski:

careful the cat doesn't manage to type rm -rf / as it walks across the keys then

[19:07:59]

georgek:

delmar, to get a clear understanding, the lirc_serial driver will create a /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc/0 node (depending on your udev rules), then lircd will connect to that /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc/0 driver node.

[19:09:50]

georgek:

delmar, I find that some distro's lircd script will call the wrong lirc driver node, so to tshoot, bypass an lircd init script, and luanch lircd with the proper params to use the correct lircd.conf file, and the proper driver node.

[19:11:14]

Yahooadam:

delmar, did u check your hardware.conf and lirc-modules-source.conf against the ones i posted on teh wiki ?

[19:11:15]

delmar:

georgek, ok i did what you said earlier.. the serial module creates /dev/lirc0 .. lircd creates /dev/lircd

[19:12:11]

delmar:

Yahooadam, yup. im remote from in the house atm (where the box is) .. let me head back out to my office and I will cut/paste some stuff to pastebin (tedious from here).

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georgek:

delmar, I'll often 'dmesg' after loading the lirc_serial module to check that the module loaded correctly too (should be the last thing).

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delmar:

georgek, sure. i was doing that... and getting lines liike....

[19:13:21]

delmar:

[2312707.278530] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

[19:13:21]

delmar:

[2312708.280824] lirc_serial: auto-detected active high receiver

[19:13:21]

delmar:

[2312708.280832] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

[19:13:27]

QBob:

hi all — can someone tell me how to make the "1" key just enter the number 1 in a text input?

[19:13:30]

delmar:

let me pastebin the configs a sec

[19:13:39]

QBob:

as opposed to the telephone-style input

[19:14:16]

Yahooadam:

delmar, if u followed http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install – it should work fine

[19:14:20]

georgek:

delmar, I almost always create my own /etc/lircd.conf file via irrecord (before launching lircd).

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Yahooadam:

i wrote the guide ;) and thats exactly how i did it on my computer

[19:15:02]

delmar:

georgek, that would be fine.. if there was something being received

[19:15:20]

delmar:

lets see if i have missed something in my configs... jsut a sec

[19:15:31]

juski:

QBob: I wish there wasa setting to disable that crap too

[19:15:41]

georgek:

delmar, are you using a remote (with codes) that are known compatible with the ir reciever?

[19:16:05]

delmar:

im using a stock TTS35AI file linked to lircd.conf ... i wont paste that in there.. its the one from the remotes list for the Technisat etc.

[19:16:28]

juski:

georgek: all homebrew serial receivers work with all codes, assuming they work on 38khz

[19:16:29]

Yahooadam:

delmar, i think u should wait till u get home and look at the IR blaster with a camera

[19:16:29]

delmar:

georgek, yeah i have had this exact serial receiver and remote working fine on another (now dead) system

[19:16:52]

georgek:

juski, yeah, I dind't mean '

[19:17:01]

delmar:

Yahooadam, I am home. my office is out the back.

[19:17:01]

georgek:

er dind't mean 'codes'.

[19:17:14]

Yahooadam:

ahh

[19:17:26]

Yahooadam:

are u trying to use a IR blaster or IR reciever delmar ?

[19:18:13]

delmar:

http://www.pastebin.ca/702272

[19:18:34]

delmar:

Yahooadam, its a serial port receiver ie. homebrew that comes with the Technisat card.

[19:18:52]

QBob:

juski: you mean there is no such setting?

[19:18:56]

Dibblah:

juski: Looks interesting :)

[19:19:17]

delmar:

I wonder if there is anything in the bios that could be messing this up somehow.

[19:19:20]

Yahooadam:

looks fine delmar

[19:19:23]

juski:

QBob: no such setting

[19:19:44]

Yahooadam:

delmar, your serial port may not be 0x03f8

[19:19:50]

Yahooadam:

it could be 0x3f8

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Dibblah:

juski: Are you bored with doing this bit yet?

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delmar:

yeah... something wierd like that

[19:19:57]

QBob:

bummer

[19:19:59]

Yahooadam:

or could be different to that

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georgek:

Yahooadam, does it? It has a DEVICE="" entry and right above states that it defaults to looking for the device node of /dev/lirc/0 where his is /dev/lirc0

[19:20:19]

Dibblah:

(The channel wizard, I mean)

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Yahooadam:

georgek, works fine for me without the device setting

[19:20:29]

delmar:

ooo

[19:20:30]

delmar:

ok

[19:20:35]

delmar:

georgek, let me see about that

[19:21:08]

georgek:

which is why I'd bypass using the lircd init script (and resuling hardware.conf file) for tshooting, and just launch lircd bin with the proper two params.

[19:21:08]

Yahooadam:

"If DEVICE is set to /dev/lirc and devfs is in use /dev/lirc/0 will be automatically used instead"

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georgek:

just launch lircd and call your correct lircd.conf file (typically found in /etc/lircd.conf) and the device node of /dev/lirc0

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georgek:

lircd -d /dev/lirc0 /etc/lircd.conf

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Yahooadam:

georgek – i suspect his serial port is set wrong

[19:22:58]

Yahooadam:

its the main variable thats not accounted for

[19:23:14]

juski:

Dibblah: what are you thinking?

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juski:

the code is starting to look horrible now

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delmar:

ok.. something like.. lircd --nodaemon --driver=serial --device=/dev/lirc0 /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

[19:24:05]

georgek:

you can ommit the --driver=serial stuff I think.

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Dibblah:

juski: This is meant to be standalone, or launched from mythtv-setup, or what?

[19:24:22]

delmar:

hey this is interesting...

[19:24:28]

delmar:

it says.. serial is not supported

[19:25:08]

juski:

Dibblah: standalone for now. might one day become part of xmltv

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delmar:

then it lists all the supported drivers...

[19:25:27]

delmar:

quite a few...

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delmar:

but serial is not in the list

[19:25:35]

Yahooadam:

delmar, are you sure your serial port is 0x03f8 ? and irq 4

[19:25:41]

juski:

Dibblah: the PITA part is already done – i.e. collecting data

[19:25:55]

Yahooadam:

and have you tried modprobe lirc_serial

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delmar:

Yahooadam, heh not anymore .. but even still, the lircd userspace is separate from that and it doesnt even support 'serial'

[19:26:16]

georgek:

Yahooadam, yeah, he pasted his output of lirc_serial a while ago.

[19:26:24]

delmar:

there might be more than one problem here

[19:26:41]

delmar:

i wanna confirm the serial port info tho.

[19:26:48]

Yahooadam:

delmar, i suggest you go check your bios and fine the serial port IRQ and such

[19:26:58]

delmar:

i could shutdown the box and check in bios unless there is a quicker way to probe something

[19:26:58]

Yahooadam:

find #

[19:27:08]

georgek:

delmar, does it result with the same driver not found istuff if you simply use 'lircd -n -d /dev/lirc0 /etc/lircd.conf'? (without the quotes?)

[19:27:29]

delmar:

no

[19:27:39]

delmar:

i get

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delmar:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[10295]: lircd(userspace) ready

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georgek:

and in a nother terminal, whean does irw do?

[19:28:10]

georgek:

er what

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delmar:

thats wrong...

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delmar:

0.8.1+cvs20070310–0ubuntu2 is what i have installed

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delmar:

where is it getting the 0.8.2 from...

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

why is it saying about cvs ?

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delmar:

it was months ago when i eas messing with this.. there must be some mess in there from way back then.

[19:29:19]

delmar:

ffs.

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fryfrog:

cause the packages were built from cvs?

[19:29:28]

Yahooadam:

delmar

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Yahooadam:

i get the same thing

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georgek:

hehe, it probably installed one lircd bin someplace like /usr/bin, and another in /usr/local/bin?

[19:29:35]

fryfrog:

probably on march 10th, 2007

[19:29:37]

Yahooadam:

so its fine

[19:30:10]

Dibblah:

juski: I'm thinking that I need channel numbers + XMLTVIDs for my channels ;)

[19:30:26]

Yahooadam:

i seriously suggest you confirm your serial port settings delmar, its very hard to do lirc_serial, and you need to start eliminating variables

[19:30:53]

delmar:

indeed

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juski:

Dibblah: take a peek at skywiz I've just uploaded

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juski:

it's rough & ready but...

[19:31:18]

** delmar shuts it down for a look **

[19:32:20]

juski:

damn! just thought of another option.. 'use only channels with xmltvids ?'

[19:32:44]

delmar:

bah

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delmar:

i cant shut it down atm

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delmar:

my daughters shows are recording. lol

[19:33:11]

Yahooadam:

lol

[19:33:19]

georgek:

Yahooadam, yup, lirc can be "fun" :( – a large majority of problems I see is the device node that a driver is actually using; /dev/lirc0 or /dev/lirc/0, and then if lircd is using that correct dev node.

[19:33:29]

delmar:

must be a way in software to confirm what Linux detected my serial ports to be

[19:33:38]

Yahooadam:

georgek, i wroke the guide delmar is reading from ;)

[19:33:47]

Yahooadam:

i spent 3 days getting lirc_Serial working

[19:33:49]

juski:

the majority of lirc problems are simply caused. lirc is a bitch

[19:33:57]

georgek:

haa

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delmar:

ooo

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delmar:

look at this

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delmar:

02f8–02ff : lirc_serial

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juski:

hardware.conf is telling it to look at the wrong port?

[19:34:53]

delmar:

hardware.conf has this...

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delmar:

LIRC_SERIAL_PORT="0x03f8"

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Yahooadam:

try it on 2f8 then

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juski:

wow, you must be 'special' then ;)

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delmar:

but cat /proc/ioports ... shows 02f8–02ff : lirc_serial

[19:35:42]

juski:

unless lirc isn't even looking at your hardware.conf

[19:35:47]

Dibblah:

juski: The icons aren't important, I assume you know?

[19:35:52]

delmar:

is the lirc_serial module compiled to use a particular port?

[19:36:06]

Dibblah:

There's stuff in contrib that already does them.

[19:36:10]

Dibblah:

For the UK.

[19:36:15]

juski:

Dibblah: I know, and I wrote it

[19:36:17]

Yahooadam:

yes delmar

[19:36:23]

georgek:

delmar, ou can specify the io port to use when modprobling the lirc_serial module.

[19:36:24]

delmar:

so what good is tat setting then...

[19:36:27]

Yahooadam:

if you change lirc-modules-source.conf – you must recompile

[19:36:41]

juski:

Dibblah: but I figured that since I was going in for a penny....

[19:37:03]

georgek:

modinfo lirc_serial

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delmar:

georgek, it seems then.. it is defaulting to 2f8

[19:37:08]

juski:

Dibblah: plus I took the view that maybe some people want channels they don't get xmltv data for

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juski:

Dibblah: cos when I did that script I made sure to only use channels which are served by tv_grab_uk_rt

[19:38:25]

georgek:

I'm surprised if it 'misdetected' based on your dmesg past from earlier: <delmar> [2312707.278530] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

[19:38:25]

georgek:

<delmar> [2312708.280824] lirc_serial: auto-detected active high receiver

[19:38:25]

georgek:

<delmar> [2312708.280832] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

[19:38:36]

juski:

I hope to hell all this ends up going somewhere – I could have churned out 2 themes by now

[19:38:48]

Yahooadam:

lol juski

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juski:

I'm not gonna do that though – after this project is well & truly in motion I'm going back to mythtv's source

[19:39:56]

juski:

nicking an idea from XBMC, those awful looking qt widgets are gonna get a revamp

[19:40:52]

juski:

there's just never enough 'fun' in my life :)

[19:40:58]

Slyboots:

How do I abandon a record in progress?

[19:41:02]

Slyboots:

Pressing "R" is not working

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delmar:

ok ... modprobe lirc_serial io=0x3f8 irq=4 .. now when I look at /proc/ioports i see 03f8–03ff : lirc_serial

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juski:

Slyboots: go into 'watch recordings', select it & tell it to stop recording

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juski:

delmar: irw might work now

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Slyboots:

Ahh, Thanks juski :)

[19:41:51]

** delmar heads inside to test remote. **

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Slyboots:

Fantastic :)

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delmar:

zomg zomg!

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delmar:

workie

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jarle:

Slyboots: And if you want to delete it, selecting delete will both stop & delete the recording in one go...

[19:43:32]

juski:

ROFLMAO somebody has made a plugin request on the forums

[19:43:42]

Slyboots:

Nice, Im not sure why it started recording it, but the signal was dire

[19:43:43]

juski:

I'll get right on it, o mighty user!

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Slyboots:

so it was killing the system while is was trying to processs a dodgy video

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delmar:

man that rocks. thanks alot georgek, Yahooadam and everyone. remote all workie !!!

[19:44:17]

Yahooadam:

:)

[19:44:51]

delmar:

pretty lame that when lircd starts from the init script it doesnt set the io/irq params for the module when it loads.

[19:45:03]

delmar:

i think thats really the issue.

[19:45:14]

Yahooadam:

hey on mythweb

[19:45:27]

delmar:

mythweb ftw.

[19:45:33]

Yahooadam:

No. of recordings to keep: Start Early: minutes End Late

[19:45:40]

Yahooadam:

all them are blank

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Yahooadam:

and if i dont put in 0 0 0, it wont setup a recording

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Dibblah:

juski: You're considering starting the UI revamp?

[19:47:21]

Dibblah:

mythui, I mean.

[19:48:09]

juski:

Dibblah: no, just wanting to make the qt popups not fugly

[19:48:50]

juski:

hey this guy on the forums has asked for a wii remote plugin so get onto it guys!

[19:48:58]

juski:

he seems pretty keen. by tommorrow then?

[19:49:19]

Yahooadam:

na if hes really keen it means 3 hours

[19:49:34]

Dibblah:

juski: That's more difficult than it looks.

[19:49:47]

juski:

Dibblah: good. anything to keep me away from theming

[19:50:11]

Dibblah:

Uhuh. Because noone gets pissed off coding ;)

[19:51:23]

juski:

I'm already starting to miss counting all the donations from my themes

[19:51:56]

delmar:

now all I gotta do it make the remote drive mythtv.

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Dagmar:

juski: I think the synth voice in Towers of Dub counts up higher

[19:52:55]

Dagmar:

You could just put that on the player and listen to it instead

[19:53:49]

juski:

oh gawd. some other dweeb wants to interface mythtv to tivoweb

[19:54:05]

juski:

just aswell I'm not a mod anymore. itchy delete clicky

[19:54:15]

Dibblah:

A laudable goal. I look forward to their patches.

[19:54:26]

Dibblah:

Or would do, if I had a Tivo any more.

[19:54:47]

juski:

Tivo's showing its age now IMHO

[19:54:57]

juski:

the guide data is a bit lacklustre these days too

[19:55:31]

juski:

I remember seeing a stand at a shopping centre with them on though & thinking "awesome!". Ah it won't work with cable. screw that then

[19:55:41]

juski:

way ahead of their time

[19:56:20]

juski:

they should do a Freeview pvr – have a first in the UK – a standalone freeview PVR you can _rely_ on

[19:57:28]

juski:

btw I'm starting to see the point in the EFF et al's argy with the BBC iPlayer. seen they've been appointing people with very chequered histories on the project.. :(

[19:58:01]

juski:

ex-Microsoft people etc.. nasty. I smell evil

[19:58:14]

Dibblah:

Have a bath, then.

[19:58:17]

Dibblah:

Badda boom.

[19:58:34]

juski:

but it's not my birthday

[19:58:43]

Dibblah:

Heh.

[19:58:47]

georgek:

hey delmar, congrats – what does your 'dmesg | grep lirc' look like when it using the proper comport?

[19:59:16]

** juski wonders how his sister got on in the 'chance of a lifetime' auditions for the Halifax adverts :-O **

[19:59:20]

Dibblah:

juski: Did you see the "BBC contributes to Myth" bit earlier?

[19:59:22]

delmar:

[2314614.261304] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

[19:59:22]

delmar:

[2314615.258111] lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver

[19:59:22]

delmar:

[2314615.258119] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

[19:59:29]

juski:

Dibblah: no i didn't

[19:59:30]

Dagmar:

juski: Usually the EFF dont' bother with more than an amicus brief unless they have grave concerns

[19:59:40]

delmar:

georgek, "low receiver" this time

[19:59:50]

Dibblah:

http://strange.corante.com/archives/2007/08/2 . . . ackstage.php

[19:59:59]

georgek:

delmar, ok – all my homebrew receivers are 'low' too.

[20:00:04]

Dibblah:

Of course, it's nowhere near true ;)

[20:00:17]

jarle:

I'm getting a second dvb-s tuner card tomorrow, which will have exactly the same input as my first card, I guess there is a smart way of just copying all the data from the already installed card, so that I do not have to setup channels etc all over again?

[20:00:41]

Dibblah:

jarle: Just link it to the same source.

[20:00:43]

delmar:

oh sweet...

[20:00:46]

delmar:

georgek, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/mythtvnz/279908

[20:00:59]

georgek:

jarle, just configuring it in mythtv-setup and setup inputs pointingto existing sources?

[20:01:00]

delmar:

thats mint. i can hax my remote to work better. i was anoyed with the same thing!!

[20:01:18]

Slyboots:

Hm, Perhaps someone can help me with an annoying issues

[20:01:28]

Slyboots:

Some of my stations are showing up as UNKNOWN for the listing data

[20:01:36]

Dibblah:

delmar: "mint" isn't used on IRC. ;)

[20:01:43]

Dibblah:

Or at least, it shouldn't be.

[20:01:44]

Slyboots:

Despite the fact I've setup the XMLData correctly and ran myth fill database

[20:01:47]

jarle:

georgek: ahh... that easy :) I was thinking some heavy mysql wizard scripting :)

[20:02:10]

juski:

Dibblah: rofl. I wanna see the stuff they demoed at that geekfest a couple of years ago. looked pretty awesome

[20:02:16]

delmar:

Dibblah, depends which country u are from.

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georgek:

jarle, yeah, I've been doing setups a lot lately – trying to be a non-myth-noob :)

[20:03:41]

Yahooadam:

grr

[20:03:51]

Yahooadam:

why isnt this NFS mount working

[20:04:06]

jarle:

my gf keeps complaining that my recordings keeps the tuner busy 24/7 :)

[20:04:43]

Yahooadam:

lol

[20:04:48]

Yahooadam:

thats what their there for

[20:04:52]

juski:

get a new one then

[20:04:55]

juski:

tuner/girlfriend..

[20:04:58]

georgek:

hehe, why I have 7 dvb-s cards :) need to jump on the multirec branch.

[20:04:58]

delmar:

jarle, i have that complaint myself... my wife and daughter hog all the airtime, all the disk space...and its MY damn box lol :P

[20:05:15]

Dibblah:

Yahooadam: Really recent kernel?

[20:05:23]

delmar:

georgek, 7? holey crap dude.

[20:05:34]

GreyFoxx:

georgek: The multirec stuff certainly is nifty

[20:05:37]

delmar:

i could certainly do with a second one

[20:05:41]

Yahooadam:

Dibblah, looked again and it worke

[20:05:43]

Yahooadam:

worked #

[20:05:47]

Yahooadam:

it just takes ageees

[20:06:05]

georgek:

GreyFoxx, yeah, I come from VDR and I love it's functionality in the multirec regard.

[20:06:14]

delmar:

not sure that the box would handle two at once tho. it gets all anoyed just recording 1 show as it is.

[20:06:15]

Dibblah:

Yahooadam: You don't have lockd running on both ends (server + client)

[20:06:25]

Dibblah:

Running properly, anyway.

[20:06:31]

delmar:

i think i need to tweak it better for performance. something is causing mythtv to hog cpu.

[20:06:32]

juski:

I might've used VDR if it wasn't for all the nasty editing of xml crap & oh yeah its all in one boxy ness

[20:06:36]

Dibblah:

Each side needs to have rpc.lockd running.

[20:06:39]

Yahooadam:

ummm, i installed nfs-kernel-server on my server

[20:06:43]

Yahooadam:

and just mounted on the client

[20:06:48]

Yahooadam:

as per http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2006/10/20/networ . . . ntu-606-610/

[20:06:58]

Dibblah:

It also needs to be able to resolve _both_ hostnames on _both_ systems.

[20:07:48]

juski:

hmm what was the name of that hackfest in london where the bbc demoed that all-channel pvr thing?

[20:08:23]

jarle:

I only have two pci-slots on my MB, so if two tuners are not enough I need to go for usb dvb-s.... anyone I should look at...

[20:08:50]

juski:

yeah a new motherboard with more than 2 pci slots :)

[20:08:57]

Yahooadam:

or u can use a slave backend

[20:09:14]

georgek:

jarle, well, with the mythtv multirec svn branch, you'll be able to record multiple shows off the same transponder with a single card...

[20:09:25]

willcooke:

juski, hackfest

[20:09:25]

jedix:

how do I get mysqlcheck to check my database for problems?

[20:09:34]

juski:

http://www.exequo.org/clients/opentech/2005/v . . . 20Stream.mp4

[20:09:42]

AndyCap:

jarle: if money's no object there's always www.magma.com

[20:09:44]

Yahooadam:

jedix, are u using phpmyadmin ?

[20:09:48]

jedix:

Yahooadam: no

[20:10:10]

Yahooadam:

REPAIR TABLE `archiveitems` , `callsignnetworkmap` , `capturecard` , `cardinput` , `channel` , `codecparams` , `credits` , `customexample` , `diseqc_config` , `diseqc_tree` , `dtv_multiplex` , `dtv_privatetypes` , `dvdinput` , `dvdtranscode` , `eit_cache` , `favorites` , `filemarkup` , `housekeeping` , `inuseprograms` , `jobqueue` , `jumppoints` , `keybindings` , `keyword` , `musicmetadata` , `musicplaylist` , `music_a

[20:10:12]

Dibblah:

optimize_mythdb.pl

[20:10:15]

jarle:

Yahooadam: I have been thinking of a slave backend, I actually have the hardware for it, but I guess a usb-tuner would be a better choice...

[20:10:30]

Dibblah:

jedix: Is of course the easier option.

[20:10:34]

willcooke:

juski, oh *that* thing! sweet

[20:10:51]

Yahooadam:

u can probably do REPAIR TABLE *

[20:10:56]

Yahooadam:

i dunno, i havent played much

[20:11:37]

Yahooadam:

is there a way to find out what motherboard im using via the command line ?

[20:11:46]

AndyCap:

dmidecode

[20:11:51]

jedix:

I'll try Dibblah's suggestion.. as irc has a limited the length of the line yahooadam sent

[20:12:03]

georgek:

Yahooadam, asside from lspci?

[20:12:38]

Yahooadam:

that doesnt show what mobo ure using

[20:12:47]

Yahooadam:

it does show the northbridge and such though

[20:12:50]

georgek:

well, the chipset it uses.

[20:12:52]

AndyCap:

Yahooadam: no, but my does.

[20:13:37]

Yahooadam:

ah i see andy

[20:14:10]

Yahooadam:

thanks andycap :)

[20:14:34]

georgek:

AndyCap, cool stuff

[20:14:52]

Yahooadam:

although i had to dump it to a file as it overloaded the terminal :p

[20:15:06]

georgek:

Yahooadam, dmidecode | more :)

[20:15:41]

Yahooadam:

ah :)

[20:15:45]

Yahooadam:

u learn somthing every day :p

[20:15:52]

Yahooadam:

or when it comes to linux, like 500 things a day

[20:15:55]

Dibblah:

I prefer |less

[20:16:13]

Dibblah:

(More doesn't allow you to scroll back)

[20:16:42]

georgek:

Dibblah, nice, I haven't been using less.

[20:17:26]

AndyCap:

so what are they teaching kids in school these days?

[20:17:35]

georgek:

windows :)

[20:18:26]

Dibblah:

Vista.

[20:21:15]

Yahooadam:

nothing

[20:21:56]

Yahooadam:

so far all the schools ive been to didnt even have a linux server

[20:21:59]

Yahooadam:

i mean come on !

[20:22:15]

georgek:

would anyone happen to know if there might be a patch floadtnig around to sort by create date for trunk mythvideo?

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mike3_:

mythvideo should be able to read multiple directories.

[20:25:13]

willcooke:

mike3_, it can

[20:25:22]

willcooke:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo

[20:25:44]

willcooke:

you use a colon separated list

[20:28:12]

mike3_:

willcooke, Well obviously this is something that a majority of people made mistakes with. they should have sepearte fields in the setup to add directories so it's clear to the end user.

[20:28:52]

willcooke:

Good idea, but it might get a bit tight on space on the screen

[20:30:26]

Dagmar:

It's mainly ebcause those newbs don't know "path" means "a path variable"

[20:30:40]

Dagmar:

Honestly

[20:30:43]

Dagmar:

It

[20:31:00]

Dagmar:

It's a very subtle distinction, but an admin who'd been around while would notice it

[20:31:17]

Dagmar:

Myth catches the eye of a lot of people with absolutely zero experience in that area

[20:33:01]

willcooke:

I didnt know it did until the other day when I was reading around the wiki, until then I just created sym-links

[20:33:21]

mike3_:

exactly

[20:33:37]

mike3_:

Might be a good idea to source that in, no?

[20:35:08]

Dagmar:

I swear to god one day I'm going to write a lib for representing an XML configuration structure as a set of brightly colored childrens blocks

[20:35:43]

georgek:

wtf

[20:35:57]

Dagmar:

Or on the other hand I might just write up an RFC for doing it and pub it on 4–1

[20:36:31]

juski:

sesame street?

[20:36:39]

juski:

bert & ernie install mythtv :D

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Dagmar:

It's just that's like the ninth time today I've seen someone in a channel being irked that an app assumed someone knew at least Computers 101

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juski:

the count can help too. Von! Von tuner card! Two... two tuner cards! Ah ha ha ha ha ha!

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georgek:

sorry we're not 7eet h4x0rs

[20:40:04]

juski:

teet ?

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willcooke:

OK, using my incredible skills as a l33t haxor I have made a patch for mythvideo already!

[20:41:29]

Dagmar:

Mentioning the difference between a directory and a path should go in the documentation, but the interface shouldn't need to explain it

[20:41:58]

willcooke:

http://www.pastebin.ca/702394

[20:42:17]

Dagmar:

spellcheck yo

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willcooke:

meh!

[20:42:54]

Dagmar:

No offense, but s/separated/separated/;

[20:43:05]

Dagmar:

Wow I can't even type it that wya

[20:43:18]

willcooke:

http://www.pastebin.ca/702398

[20:43:24]

Dagmar:

"seperated" is spelled wrong. no biggie

[20:43:25]

willcooke:

geez – you want the moon on a stick! ;)

[20:43:42]

Dagmar:

Hey, what you put in there might be the only thing people read in a week

[20:43:44]

juski:

promise.tv was the project the bbc started up

[20:43:57]

Dagmar:

At least it shouldn't degrade what little reading skills they already have

[20:43:59]

willcooke:

if that ever gets anywhere near being included I'll give you all a pound

[20:44:16]

** juski readies himself to press the big red commit button **

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** willcooke takes cover **

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Dagmar:

Will you look at the rest of the help text tho?

[20:44:49]

Dagmar:

"This directory must exist"

[20:45:17]

Dagmar:

Isn't that a bit like picking up a fork and reading on the back "WARNING: DO NOT STAB YOURSELF IN THE EYE WITH THIS"

[20:45:36]

willcooke:

:)

[20:46:05]

juski:

hey I know let's do away with the setup utils & just make it compulsory to set _every_ configurable parameter on the command line

[20:46:12]

Dagmar:

I submit to you that if someone knowingly submits a directory that does not exist as a place to be searched, and FINDS VIDEO FILES, that they will either be a hardcore Windows user, or they will scream and flee their own home.

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juski:

oh come now. loads of users don't even know their arse from their elbow let alone whether directories exist or not

[20:47:09]

jedix:

do I need EIT patches with 20.2?

[20:47:20]

juski:

jedix: huh?

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jedix:

I'm using dvb.. and when EIT is enabled, it seems to try and lookup eit data while I'm watching tv

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juski:

yeah so?

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jedix:

so the picture freezes and never comes back

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directhex:

nova-t 500?

[20:50:27]

jedix:

no, skystar2 and twain 1020a

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juski:

people keep putting code into mythtv to try to discourage you from using livetv, silly

[20:51:44]

Yahooadam:

lol

[20:51:52]

Yahooadam:

omfg

[20:51:56]

Yahooadam:

how does mythmusic work

[20:52:04]

directhex:

Yahooadam, badly!

[20:52:07]

directhex:

badum-tish!

[20:52:19]

AndyCap:

it's confusing

[20:52:38]

juski:

if $user like "noob" {segfault}

[20:52:51]

Yahooadam:

i went to all music

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juski:

it's only confusing if you're thick

[20:52:54]

Yahooadam:

chose the band i want

[20:53:01]

Yahooadam:

so theres a tick next to that

[20:53:09]

Yahooadam:

now how do i get it to play !

[20:53:19]

** ServerSage checks, and is somewhat thick around the middle these days. **

[20:53:21]

directhex:

go back to the play screen with esc?

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Yahooadam:

sigh

[20:55:03]

juski:

I really don't think people would be ultimately insulted or upset if somebody were to come along & submit a patch with a new mythmusic everybody would find lovely

[20:55:31]

Yahooadam:

is there a way to turn off the gay visualisation ?

[20:55:49]

ServerSage:

Yahooadam: Set it to none in the setup screen.

[20:55:49]

directhex:

5 i think

[20:55:54]

juski:

yeah set the vis type to NONE in the setup options for mythmusic playback

[20:55:57]

directhex:

or maybe 6

[20:55:59]

directhex:

or 7

[20:56:01]

directhex:

or 8

[20:56:04]

directhex:

definitely not 9

[20:56:06]

Dibblah:

Not 1.

[20:56:12]

juski:

not esc

[20:56:14]

willcooke:

uppercase 1?

[20:56:15]

juski:

not M

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Dibblah:

1 is, of course, reserved for help.

[20:56:26]

Yahooadam:

5 makes a full screen blank

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juski:

there's help? wtf am I doing here then?

[20:56:35]

Yahooadam:

6 turns on a visualisation

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Dibblah:

I did say "reserved"

[20:56:55]

Yahooadam:

6 changes the visualisation

[20:56:58]

Yahooadam:

even

[20:57:08]

willcooke:

specifically gay ones?

[20:57:42]

juski:

ah yeah I found the animations of a blokes shagging each other to the beat a bit offensive

[20:58:01]

juski:

s/a/2

[20:58:06]

georgek:

did they have rythum?

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juski:

I think Yahooadam meant 'goom'. it's worse than ghey. totally lame I'd say

[21:00:20]

directhex:

i miss my favourite windows visualization

[21:00:30]

juski:

directhex: projectM :)

[21:00:31]

Yahooadam:

i miss album art :(

[21:00:32]

ServerSage:

Wow. I just looked back over at this after doing some work and saw juski's "animations of blokes shagging" comment and spit my coffee all over.

[21:00:34]

directhex:

goom looks meh and runs like bleh

[21:00:36]

Dagmar:

Dancing strippers?

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directhex:

juski, whitecap

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juski:

whitecap runs in milkdrop doesn't it though?

[21:01:15]

directhex:

Yahooadam, there's al albumart visualization

[21:03:25]

Yahooadam:

really ?

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Yahooadam:

ive only found 2

[21:03:40]

Yahooadam:

crappy line wavy thing and somone spraying paint on your screen

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IamEthos:

does the WinTV PVR USB2 come with an Irblaster or not?

[21:05:49]

IamEthos:

I have all kinds of IR stuff here. an IR built into the USB device, a seperate 1.5x2" rectangle device, and a tiny IR dot that blugs into the rectangle device

[21:06:07]

Dibblah:

Yahooadam: You're on 20.2, right?

[21:06:21]

Yahooadam:

yes dibblah

[21:06:32]

Dibblah:

SVN has the option of a lot more.

[21:06:38]

Yahooadam:

ah

[21:06:50]

Dibblah:

Of course, it also has the option of crashing randomly on some of them.

[21:06:54]

Yahooadam:

bah

[21:06:54]

Dibblah:

So, you chose :)

[21:07:01]

Dibblah:

Choose, even.

[21:07:07]

Yahooadam:

if you move around mythtv

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Yahooadam:

it stops playing :(

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jedix:

hrm

[21:10:57]

jedix:

how do I get non-english characters to work in myth?

[21:10:59]

Niklas_E:

anyone know which ubuntu package I am missing? php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Namn eller tjänst okänd

[21:11:17]

jedix:

I get 0 with a slash through it

[21:11:46]

BULLE:

jedix: thats a norwegian ö i bet

[21:12:05]

willcooke:

Niklas_E, mythweb?

[21:12:07]

BULLE:

jedix: configure all of x to use utf8, and keymaps and fonts and everything ?

[21:12:08]

juski:

Yahooadam: of course it stops playing. I mean who would possibly want music playing to distract them from choosing shows to record?

[21:12:11]

Niklas_E:

yeah

[21:12:24]

Niklas_E:

for the mythweather

[21:12:26]

Yahooadam:

i hope thats sarcasm juski :p

[21:12:28]

Niklas_E:

plugin

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BULLE:

oh mythweather, it never worked for me

[21:12:53]

BULLE:

always shows some funky php code and error messages instead =D

[21:12:56]

jedix:

BULLE: I just want descriptions of shows that are french to be correct

[21:13:02]

jedix:

it's french I'm looking at

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Niklas_E:

ok, like here

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BULLE:

jedix: well, what encoding does the programming info you feed into mythtv come in ?

[21:13:32]

Niklas_E:

not useing Halmstad as town?

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jedix:

BULLE: I dunno

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BULLE:

Niklas_E: no, uppsala

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Niklas_E:

ok

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BULLE:

jedix: i guess thats the first thing to check, i bet you are using xmltv or something,right ? so just run that, and take a peak at the xml file it generates

[21:14:45]

BULLE:

jedix: work from there, try to figure out where it goes bad, and fix that

[21:14:59]

Niklas_E:

gtg, need sleep, byw

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jedix:

BULLE: I'm using schedule direct

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BULLE:

bye bye

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BULLE:

jedix: oh, no idea then

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AndyCap:

oh well, Niklas had it configured wrong. not a missing packege

[21:16:32]

BULLE:

AndyCap: oh, mind telling me what he configured wrong, as i have the same problem ? =)

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AndyCap:

Hostname not found? broken dns or wrong hostname setup in some config

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BULLE:

AndyCap: nah, i was thinking along the lines of me having wierd output

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AndyCap:

that wasn't what Niklas had problems with.

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BULLE:

AndyCap: eg, where i suppose something like temperature should be written, i see peaces like "eatherObj{ "

[21:19:10]

BULLE:

i just see pieces of code, wherever there is supposed to be a temp or wind reading or whatever

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willcooke:

I had that problem yesterday for the first time ever, and then when I restarted apache2 they went away. That's of no help to you, sorry – but kind of related.

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Yahooadam:

wtf

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Yahooadam:

in mythweb, if i view E4, it shows me 6Am to 12:35AM

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Yahooadam:

where are the other 6 hours ...

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IamEthos:

I have this remote: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote (the 4th from the left) but the box won't show up in lsusb

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Yahooadam:

Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0609:031d SMK Manufacturing, Inc.

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Yahooadam:

shows up for me

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IamEthos:

Yahooadam, not showing up for me.

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

does the light blink when you aim a remote at it ?

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IamEthos:

however, dmesg tells me that it's been removed

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IamEthos:

Yahooadam, yep

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Yahooadam:

maybe u just need to setup lirc – ./shrug

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IamEthos:

Yahooadam, dmesg tells me that a lirc_mceusb2 remote control has been removed when I unplug it

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IamEthos:

so it should be fine, I guess

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Yahooadam:

im using that remote and it works fine ... sooo ....

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Yahooadam:

cant help u much

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ARfdee:

i cannot for the life of me figure out why in mythtvsetup when i select video source setup, it tries to access zap2it.com still

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mchou:

anyone still happen to have the sample xvtd schema from zap2it? I'm looking for gold_sample.xml

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Yahooadam:

what do the letters on the left of mythweb mean ?

[22:00:09]

Yahooadam:

1, 4, L, E, C ?

[22:00:28]

Anduin:

recorder 1, 4 later, something, conflicting

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mchou:

Anduin: thx

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ARfdee:

help

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Yahooadam:

ah :)

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ARfdee:

i can't use mythtv anymore:(

[22:01:03]

Yahooadam:

except the E :p

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ARfdee:

gmplayer /dev/video0 works

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Yahooadam:

what does an E mean :p

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venger:

if i wanted X to start as user instead of root would i have an rc script that made root su to user or is there some other approach?

[22:01:20]

ARfdee:

2007-09–18 17:00:42.831 RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response.

[22:01:20]

ARfdee:

2007-09–18 17:00:42.833 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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ARfdee:

2007-09–18 17:00:42.834 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 18:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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Yahooadam:

oh

[22:01:23]

Yahooadam:

earlier

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ARfdee:

2007-09–18 17:00:42.834 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

[22:02:04]

ARfdee:

2007-09–18 17:00:42.835 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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Anduin:

venger: there is a section on the wiki about auto login

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venger:

hmm login eh? sounds like xdm or such, i'll have a look anyway

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Anduin:

Yeah xdm/gdm can be used, there are other ways.

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ARfdee:

Yahooadam: help:(

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Yahooadam:

what were u messing round with ?

[22:05:18]

ARfdee:

me?

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Yahooadam:

yes

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Yahooadam:

if it stopped working im going to assume you changed somthing

[22:05:40]

ARfdee:

i am not sure, i only got the listings working recently

[22:05:48]

venger:

it pertains to root

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Yahooadam:

Encoder 4 is local on DataServer1 and is recording: 'UK's Toughest Jobs' on DISCH. This recording will end at 11:05 PM.

[22:07:38]

Yahooadam:

so whys it 11:07 and still recording

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ARfdee:

:(

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ARfdee:

i don't knwo what to do

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Anduin:

Yahooadam: Do you have the global end recordings x late setting set?

[22:08:51]

Yahooadam:

probably

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Yahooadam:

so hold on

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Yahooadam:

if i set a program to start 2 mins early, and 5 mins late

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Yahooadam:

and the same on teh global

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Yahooadam:

it will start 4 mins early and 10 mins late ?

[22:10:03]

Anduin:

I don't know if they add or override

[22:10:34]

Yahooadam:

its still recording and its over 10 mins late

[22:12:29]

Anduin:

Yahooadam: If you used the hard "end recording x late" yes, they will combine as that is a hard deadline

[22:13:35]

Yahooadam:

sigh

[22:13:37]

Yahooadam:

im a fool

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Yahooadam:

i set it to 500 seconds, instead of 300

[22:15:02]

Yahooadam:

I dont know if u know anything about mythweb anuduin, but you know at the bottom you have 3 text boxes

[22:15:09]

Yahooadam:

well mine are defaulting to blank :(

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Yahooadam:

how can i set them to default at 0

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diabeatus:

can I install non-emulator games to mythgame? I am thinking of UT2004 in particular

[22:16:20]

diabeatus:

or tuxracer

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diabeatus:

or anything like that

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diabeatus:

never mind

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diabeatus:

i see the docs now\

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Anduin:

Yahooadam: I can look, it will take a minute.

[22:18:15]

Yahooadam:

i think i deleted a field by accident

[22:18:37]

Yahooadam:

u know in mythweb in setup, i checked the box or somthing – thinking it meant "apply this setting" but it deleted it

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GreyFoxx:

diabeatus: Sure you can. It's type "PC"

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diabeatus:

awesome

[22:19:03]

diabeatus:

still waiting on my hardware to get delivered — i'm excited

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm Interesting my DVB card is conflicting with something on my slave backend. looks like I need to try another pci slot

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GreyFoxx:

diabeatus: heh

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GreyFoxx:

I rebuilt all (well ALMOST all ) of my setup over the weekend

[22:20:12]

diabeatus:

my current snapstream/windows pvr with crappy cpu and software encoding is getting to me

[22:20:26]

GreyFoxx:

2 backends, 1 brand new frontend, and new drives n such

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diabeatus:

so i am replacing it, and then rebuilding it/reanimating it

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GreyFoxx:

It was abusy weekend :)

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diabeatus:

Laughs Out Loud

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diabeatus:

once I am all said and done, I may have something like that

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diabeatus:

we shall see

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't reinstall my 4 msntv settop box frontends yet

[22:21:06]

Yahooadam:

i setup a frontend in like 2 hours for the first time last night :p

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jams:

intresting 2 backends to 1 frontend

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GreyFoxx:

but that wiull be nexst weekend

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diabeatus:

the new minipc + the current one reworked to mythtv if it is supported

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GreyFoxx:

jams: that frontend use to live on the master backend but I've seperated it

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GreyFoxx:

I don't want the frontend doing anything but HDTV playback :)

[22:21:55]

GreyFoxx:

and the other 4 I haven't gotten too yet :)

[22:22:03]

IamEthos:

when using an IR Blaster, do I get the config based on the model number of the remote or the model number of the cable box?

[22:22:25]

Yahooadam:

Iam – i think u usually find it under the cable box header

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jams:

That makes more sense(the extra msntv frontends). Either that or you record alot of stuff at the same time

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Yahooadam:

is there a way to get the "Green Button" to work on the desktop, and get it to launch mythtv ?

[22:23:38]

fryfrog:

Yahooadam: I have mine setup to *kill* mythtv

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fryfrog:

and i have a cron job that runs every 60 seconds and if myth isn't running, it starts it

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fryfrog:

but yes, you can do wha tyou want

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fryfrog:

"irexec" is what you want

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IamEthos:

Yahooadam, because I can find the proper remote, and it even lists that the device it controls is my cable box

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Yahooadam:

fryfrog, can i get it to only load mythfrontend if it isnt running ?

[22:25:25]

fryfrog:

sure

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fryfrog:

just write a script

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fryfrog:

and point irexec to the script

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fryfrog:

basically, my cron job says "hey, is mythfrontend running?" then if it isn't, it starts it up and throws it onto the mythtv user's X sesson

[22:26:13]

fryfrog:

so if mythtv isn't logged in, it won't fire it up

[22:26:17]

fryfrog:

or if it is running, it won't fire it up

[22:26:21]

fryfrog:

so, when things go badly...

[22:26:36]

fryfrog:

i hit my green "sudo pkill mythfrontend" and it kills it all of

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fryfrog:

my *red* button, in *thoery* will restart the backend on the master server

[22:26:48]

Yahooadam:

i see

[22:26:50]

fryfrog:

but i haven't tried it

[22:27:01]

Yahooadam:

id rather not leave a button that kills my tv :p

[22:27:48]

fryfrog:

the problem with only starting frontend when it isn't running is...

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fryfrog:

sometimes, the frontend locks

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fryfrog:

locks up

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Yahooadam:

dont suppose you have a sample .lircrc ... ?

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fryfrog:

so... unless you have a way of killing it off, it won't ever fix itself

[22:28:18]

Anduin:

Yahooadam: DefaultEndOffset DefaultStartOffset editable in the MythTV settings I believe

[22:28:25]

fryfrog:

and if you press your "run mythfrontend" button when it is frozen, you'll just end up with an extra one :/

[22:28:37]

fryfrog:

Yahooadam: my remote fe is off at the moment ;(

[22:28:41]

fryfrog:

er :(

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Yahooadam:

anduin, i have them ...

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Yahooadam:

but it still doesnt fill it in :s

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Yahooadam:

wow

[22:31:02]

Yahooadam:

mythweb hates Internet explorer

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diabeatus:

wow i have an ir blaster and didnt even know it — i have an old sckool haupphauge tuner card w/ remote i've never even touched

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Anduin:

Yahooadam: The zeros show for me in IE7 (if that is what you meant)

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Yahooadam:

im using IE6, and it just refeshes the page constantly

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I do record a lot that the same time. I record a lot in general between all of my daughters shows, mine and my wifes

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GreyFoxx:

not uncommmon during the evening for 4 to be recording at once

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Yahooadam:

fryfrog, ive googled for irexec, but it just says it looks for ~/.lircrc

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt say what i need to put in there >_<

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Yahooadam:

i hate lirc so much

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IamEthos:

hmm

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IamEthos:

I can only seem to find instructions for Serial port IR blasters

[22:40:23]

IamEthos:

that's not fun

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IamEthos:

(I have a USB blaster)

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Yahooadam:

what kind of usb blaster ?

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IamEthos:

Yahooadam, presumably the same one you have

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IamEthos:

mine came with my Wintv PVR USB2

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IamEthos:

along with my remote

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Yahooadam:

i use a serial blaster

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Toast:

Hi all, my mythconverg database is complaining about missing .myd files for some of the tables. I've run mysql check, but with no joy. Can mythtv be made to replace missing tables?

[22:43:19]

IamEthos:

do you have the Wintv pvr usb2 mce?

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Yahooadam:

no

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IamEthos:

oh

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IamEthos:

that remote must come in some other package, I guess

[22:43:51]

Yahooadam:

yeah

[22:44:00]

Yahooadam:

you can buy it on its own

[22:44:05]

Yahooadam:

or the MCE kit

[22:44:10]

Yahooadam:

or the PVR-150

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Yahooadam:

does yours have a seperate box for the reciever/blaster ?

[22:46:36]

Yahooadam:

usb in, ir reciever built in

[22:46:46]

Yahooadam:

2 3.5mm jacks on the back for IR blasters ?

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qfx:

quit

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Toast:

Would someone mind checking their mythconverg directory for me please? Does cardinput.MYD exist alongside cardinput.frm and cardinput.MYI?

[22:54:54]

Yahooadam:

mythfrontend.real: cannot connect to X server 127.0.0.1:0

[22:55:04]

Yahooadam:

what stupid mistake did i make this time ?

[22:56:20]

sxealex:

:0?

[22:56:33]

sxealex:

it should be :6543

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sxealex:

orrr 6453

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sxealex:

or something

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Yahooadam:

thought the default display was 0 ?

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BULLE:

:0

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Yahooadam:

lol :)

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Yahooadam:

ty bullie

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Yahooadam:

or not :o

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Yahooadam:

its segfaulting :s

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BULLE:

:0.0 ?

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Yahooadam:

still segfault

[23:00:22]

BULLE:

DISPLAY=:0

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BULLE:

is what i use atleast, thats why i just pasted that

[23:00:38]

BULLE:

nothing in front of : means that it just defaults to localhost i think

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Yahooadam:

adam@adamsmcc:~$ mythfrontend -display :0

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Yahooadam:

xprop: unable to open display ''

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|Torg|:

export DISPLAY=:0

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BULLE:

the .0 shouldnt be needed, it should default to that if no .? is there afaik

[23:02:45]

Yahooadam:

adam@adamsmcc:~$ mythfrontend export display=:0

[23:02:46]

Yahooadam:

?

[23:03:36]

Yahooadam:

obvisously not :p

[23:04:06]

BULLE:

the syntax for display is host:display.screen

[23:04:12]

BULLE:

the screen part is afaik rarely used

[23:04:28]

BULLE:

Yahooadam: do the export before running Mythfrontend

[23:05:16]

BULLE:

Yahooadam: you can also try to run other apps, like xlock or similar, to see if they work

[23:05:26]

** Yahooadam is confused **

[23:05:33]

BULLE:

why ?

[23:05:42]

Yahooadam:

how do i export before mythfrontned

[23:05:44]

BULLE:

you should also use DISPLAY not display

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|Torg|:

export DISPLAY=:0

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|Torg|:

mythfrontend

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BULLE:

indeed

[23:06:17]

Yahooadam:

sigh

[23:06:21]

Yahooadam:

caps makes all the difference :p

[23:06:24]

Yahooadam:

ty :)

[23:06:25]

BULLE:

yes

[23:06:30]

BULLE:

unix is caps sensitive

[23:06:34]

Yahooadam:

hmm

[23:06:35]

BULLE:

unix != dos

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|Torg|:

Linux is quite case sensative

[23:06:51]

Yahooadam:

how do i get it to do it without leaving it in the terminal ?

[23:06:51]

|Torg|:

MythFrontend != mythfrontend

[23:07:05]

|Torg|:

&

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BULLE:

add an & at the end ?

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|Torg|:

>/dev/null 2>&1 &

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GreyFoxx:

or run it in ascreen

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Yahooadam:

agh

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Yahooadam:

thx torg :)

[23:13:08]

Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

why doesnt killall myth* kill mythfrontend.real ?

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GreyFoxx:

it doesn't take wildcards

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GreyFoxx:

that would try and search your local filesystem for

[23:13:54]

GreyFoxx:

myth*" and pass them as arguments to the killall line

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fryfrog:

try "pkill mythfrontend"

[23:14:01]

BULLE:

pkill !

[23:14:07]

BULLE:

ah, the fried frog was quicker then me!

[23:14:14]

GreyFoxx:

It would be a VERY VERY shitting kill command that took wildcards

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|Torg|:

kill -9 -1 :P

[23:14:18]

|Torg|:

dont do it

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BULLE:

init is bad for you !

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Yahooadam:

what would that do torg ?

[23:14:34]

|Torg|:

kill everythign

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|Torg|:

all pids

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Yahooadam:

sounds like my kind of command :p

[23:15:04]

|Torg|:

its equivleint to shutdown now DAMNIT!

[23:17:04]

Yahooadam:

right

[23:17:10]

Yahooadam:

thats my myth startup script sorted

[23:18:42]

Yahooadam:

now i need to sort out the power button :p

[23:19:41]

Yahooadam:

will this work ?

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Yahooadam:

# config = mythtvosd --template=alert alert_text="Power pressed – Shutting Down NOW!" && /sbin/halt

[23:20:28]

Dibblah:

Well, mythtvosd only works when a video is playing.

[23:20:40]

Dibblah:

And halt is so old-school.

[23:20:50]

Dibblah:

echo mem >/sys/power/state

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directhex:

i use halt! it's halttastic!

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|Torg|:

I use halt all the time, reboot too :P

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|Torg|:

uadmin 2 0 is oldschool

[23:21:29]

Dibblah:

Don't forget the -f (fast) option ;)

[23:21:54]

Yahooadam:

how can i let a non root user use /sbin/halt on ubuntu ?

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|Torg|:

in soime unixes those a actualy symlinks to shutdown

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Anduin:

Yahooadam: probably /etc/sudoers

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fryfrog:

Yahooadam: mess with... yeah, sudoers file

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directhex:

visudo!

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fryfrog:

mythtv ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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fryfrog:

that is a line that gives the mythtv user permission to run "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart" w/o being prompted for a pw

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

sudo vim sudoers

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Yahooadam:

read only

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fryfrog:

w!

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fryfrog:

will force a write

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directhex:

visudo!

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|Torg|:

chmod it

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|Torg|:

add it to sudo and use sudo

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|Torg|:

I belive any user can access halt tho

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fryfrog:

i don't think that is true

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Yahooadam:

halt: Need to be root

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fryfrog:

on my ubuntu system, halt is in /sbin/

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fryfrog:

it'd kind of suck if by default *any* user was allowed to halt your system :)

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Dibblah:

Anyone can _read_ /sbin/halt ;)

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|Torg|:

hatl shoudl be in /sbin in all sysv unix varients

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fryfrog:

(and halt is a symlink to reboot on mine)

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|Torg|:

and reboot is?

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Yahooadam:

so how do u shut down ure computer fry ?

[23:25:54]

fryfrog:

dunno, i just realized it was

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WhiteNoise:

anyone good with raid? i know its not really myth, but im creating it for tv storage :)

[23:26:04]

fryfrog:

lots of ways...

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WhiteNoise:

i have 3 250G drives.. when i raid5 them, it keeps giving me this error: raid5: raid level 5 set md1 active with 2 out of 3 devices, algorithm 2

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fryfrog:

in myth on my fe, i have "sudo shutdown -P now" setup like the above sudoers entry

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fryfrog:

so my fe can shutdown the box

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fryfrog:

WhiteNoise: did you set the partition type on all 3 to "fd"?

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fryfrog:

Yahooadam: I can also just do a quick press of my physical power button and it gracefully shuts down the fe

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Dibblah:

WhiteNoise: Creating a RAID5 brings it up dirty.

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Dibblah:

cat /proc/mdstat

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beata:

if a hdhr channel was encrypted, would i be able to tune to it at all and see some type of picture?

[23:27:53]

Dibblah:

will tell you what it's doing. It'll take a while ;)

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Dibblah:

beata: No.

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fryfrog:

well, it shoudln't say it is coming up with 2 of 3 drives, it should come up with 3 of 3

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Yahooadam:

ray rushmore = NOPASSWD: /bin/kill, /bin/ls, /usr/bin/lprm

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Yahooadam:

whats the rushmore bit ?

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Yahooadam:

(this is for a sudoers file)

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: That's how it works.

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beata:

i have about 20 channels that when i try to watch them they video/audio is are garbled, but i can definitly make out that a tv show is playing

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Dibblah:

When you make the RAID (mdadm, whatever) – It comes up with 2 drives and creates the parity on the other.

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beata:

and i have about 7 channels i can tune fine

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|Torg|:

in order for a raid5 set to be 100% it must have calcualted its xors, that takes SIGNIFICANT ammount of time. In order to let you use the array md gives it to you immediatly but does the build in the background

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beata:

it took a couple hours for my 1.5tb raid5 array to get done

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|Torg|:

not exactly Dibblah, raid5s partity is distribute thoughpout the whole drive

[23:30:11]

Dibblah:

To be precise, it takes slightly longer than writing an entire disk.

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directhex:

raid3!

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Yahooadam:

ftw

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|Torg|:

raid4 would be one disk

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Dibblah:

|Torg|: Technically I know. But it's late ;)

[23:31:19]

directhex:

shame the last mass-market raid3 controller's disappeared from the market

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WhiteNoise:

Dibblah: http://pastebin.ca/index.php

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WhiteNoise:

Dibblah: woops! http://pastebin.ca/702623

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Dibblah:

Oh, right. It's not that, then.

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|Torg|:

why directhex? dedicating one drive to parity gurantees your raid set the speed on one drive/

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fryfrog:

what did cat /proc/mdstats say?

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WhiteNoise:

first 6 lines of : http://pastebin.ca/702623

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fryfrog:

one drive of parity creates a retarded bottleneck is what it does

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Dibblah:

WhiteNoise: Do you have any data on that array?

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directhex:

|Torg|, because it was raid3! it's unusual, and therefore cool!

[23:33:32]

Dibblah:

"Did" may be more accurate...

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WhiteNoise:

no,but ive deleted the array, re-created all the partitions, etc.. and it still gives me the same crap when i re-do it

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Yahooadam:

adam@adamsmcc:/etc$ sudo nano sudoers

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Yahooadam:

>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 22 <<<

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Yahooadam:

sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 22

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** Yahooadam cries **

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Dibblah:

WhiteNoise: You're not specifying your devices right.

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directhex:

i did say visudo, which sanity checks edits you make

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directhex:

twice

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Dibblah:

What's the mdadm command line?

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directhex:

but nooooooooo, ignore directhex, he smokes crack

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|Torg|:

directhex, what flavor?

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tjcarter:

listen to directhex about ignoring directhex

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directhex:

|Torg|, vanilla & fudge, of course!

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|Torg|:

I like raspberry

[23:35:20]

WhiteNoise:

mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/hdi1 /dev/hdj1 /dev/hdk1

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Yahooadam:

so basically, im screwed ?

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam: patebin it, whats the error?

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WhiteNoise:

ive also tried it just as /dev/hd[i-k] and it didnt make a difference

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WhiteNoise:

(no hdi1, etc)

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Yahooadam:

what i said above

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|Torg|:

you MD parttions, not disks

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Yahooadam:

i messed up the sudoers file, but now i cant sudo to edit it

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|Torg|:

su to root, simply su -

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directhex:

|Torg|, ubuntu. no root password.

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|Torg|:

aint that qauint :P

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WhiteNoise:

|Torg|, mdadm didnt seem to care, but it didnt work either way i tried it

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: you *can* MD disks if you want, but you are supposed to MD partitions

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fryfrog:

WhiteNoise: that create line looks right to me :/

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Yahooadam:

well i just found an awesome way to fuck up your computer lol

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|Torg|:

hmm ok fryfrog ill take your word for it, I never tryed to see if it would work

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WhiteNoise:

so i created 1 partition of type FD on each drive, each exactly the same size, then ran the mdadm line above

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam: try su -i and use your user password for the root password

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WhiteNoise:

but it only gives me UU_

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fryfrog:

what i don't get is why it thinks it is clean :/

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|Torg|:

just humor me :P

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WhiteNoise:

yeah me neither.. 3 of 3 devices + clean.. yet i get UU_ in mdstat

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Yahooadam:

doesnt work torg, no -i option

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fryfrog:

WhiteNoise: try this first...

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|Torg|:

WhiteNoise: pastbin your raidtab too please

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Dibblah:

WhiteNoise: mdadmin -stop /dev/md1

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|Torg|:

"su -"

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fryfrog:

fiddle with the "--zero-superblock" option

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|Torg|:

notrhing after the dash

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Yahooadam:

doesnt work either

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Dibblah:

Then mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/hdi1 /dev/hdj1 /dev/hdk1

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|Torg|:

what do you mean it dosnt work?

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Yahooadam:

adam@adamsmcc:/etc$ su -

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Yahooadam:

Password:

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Yahooadam:

su: Authentication failure

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WhiteNoise:

mdadm: /dev/md1 has been started with 2 drives (out of 3) and 1 spare.

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WhiteNoise:

spare?!?

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WhiteNoise:

wtf

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam: do you still have the cd you created your install with?

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fryfrog:

WhiteNoise: i would fdisk them all, create new partitions

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fryfrog:

and use the "--zero-superblock" on them as well

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fryfrog:

make sure it isn't trying to fix/rebuild one of the original arrays you created

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WhiteNoise:

zero is a mdadm command?

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: Don't do that.

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fryfrog:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

that was my next step |torg|

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fryfrog:

Dibblah: why not, he has no data on it

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WhiteNoise:

why is one trying to be a spare?

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fryfrog:

it is easier to jsut nuke it all, make sure it is cleanly nuked and then start over

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Dibblah:

--update=summaries

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Dibblah:

if you need to.

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: Yeah. If that works.

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WhiteNoise:

i dont have a raidtab... is this bad?

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Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

It's normal.

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Dibblah:

We're past 2003 now.

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

If it doesn't work, all that has happened is 5 minutes of wasted time :)

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WhiteNoise:

ok, trying the nuke+rebuild thing.. afk

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|Torg|:

do any of you have beryl working with gusty?

[23:44:21]

|Torg|:

err gutsy :)

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floppyears:

what's that a theme ?

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Yahooadam:

gusty is clearly a better name

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|Torg|:

WM

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tjcarter:

gutsy, gusty, what's the difference.. =D

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|Torg|:

beryl that is

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Yahooadam:

whats wrong with it torg ?

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WhiteNoise:

hrm, i nuked the partitions first, was i supposed to do do --zero first?

[23:45:02]

floppyears:

oh, no. I usually stick with bb

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|Torg|:

crashes on startup, I figured someone here got it to work

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fryfrog:

WhiteNoise: I don't think it matters

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fryfrog:

I'm also not sure if you run the --zero against the drive or the partition

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Yahooadam:

|torg| try #ubuntu-effects

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fryfrog:

maybe do it against the drive, then when you re-create a patition, do the zero on it too

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fryfrog:

i had some trouble, the data on the drives is pretty persistant, it caused me a small amount of trouble when i was first fiddling with raid partitions and such

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Yahooadam:

|torg| went into ubuntu recovery mode :)

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Yahooadam:

sorted

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|Torg|:

good :)

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WhiteNoise:

mdadm: /dev/hdi1 has no superblock – assembly aborted

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WhiteNoise:

i think i broke it :)

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Yahooadam:

visudo is a much better idea too :p

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|Torg|:

I figure out the problem with beryl to, seems it dosnt like xinerama

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WhiteNoise:

bah this suck

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fryfrog:

WhiteNoise: were you trying to re-asseble it? or create a new one?

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fryfrog:

cause that --zero-superblock would totally nuke the raid data

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WhiteNoise:

i created a new one.. then zero'd it.. which broke it

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WhiteNoise:

so i created another new one

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WhiteNoise:

but it had the same results.. UU_

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fryfrog:

My suggestion was to --zero the partitions, then optionally delete them, re-create them, *then* do the mdadm --create

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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Yahooadam:

so much for that idea

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WhiteNoise:

fryfrog: yeah i did all that

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

weird :/

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fryfrog:

could one of your hard drives be ... bad?

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WhiteNoise:

up until yesterday i was using them seperatly with 0 issues

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fryfrog:

ah

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Yahooadam:

how can i expire my sudo session (so it asks for the password again)

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WhiteNoise:

and they all detect by the BIOS and by linux just fine

[23:55:17]

WhiteNoise:

so i dunno

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fryfrog:

only thing i can think of is to keep playing :/

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fryfrog:

can you --query or --examine each drive individually?

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fryfrog:

maybe one of them has an old ummm uuid?

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fryfrog:

what ever that code is called that lets it know what raid set it is part of

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam: sudo -k

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Dibblah:

What does dmesg say?

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WhiteNoise:

pastebin dmesg: http://www.pastebin.ca/702656

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WhiteNoise:

same annoying thing, in a different format :)

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Yahooadam:

cheers |torg|

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