Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, September 17th, 2007, 00:04 UTC

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TSCHAK:

what's the best way to completely blank out the schedule data in the database?

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{Nathan}:

I can't get sound working. I use a line-in setup and it works fine in tvtime, but only when it's on mute. I don't know why it does this. In mythtv, I get no sound at all. Any ideas on how to fix this?

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zachtib:

{Nathan}, I have similar issues a lot, i actually just broke down and ordered a hauppage card bc of it...

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zachtib:

my issue was that line in kept getting disabled by other apps (my desktop is also my backend)

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{Nathan}:

zachtib: how did you f?

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{Nathan}:

fix it*?

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zachtib:

i havenb't really, just whenever it goes away, i have to open up the gnome volume control and recheck "Line in capture"

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{Nathan}:

hmm

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{Nathan}:

I already have that checked... I'll look again though.

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{Nathan}:

It's already checked... hmm...

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zachtib:

it happ[ened to me today,. and i got a wqhole day of bad recordings

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{Nathan}:

ouch

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Yahooadam:

is there a way to get mythtv to overrecord by like 5 mins if possible

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Tapout:

anyone running MythDora? Damn looks so easy to setup :)

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Yahooada1:

bah my damn isp

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jafa:

new & improved channels by zipcode – http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/hdhomerun/channels

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BULLE:

Yahooada1: you mean 5 minute overrcord per default ? so you dont have to set the extra minutes manualy each time ?

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languid:

hello.

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Yahooadam:

omg i swear im gonna kill my ISP

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Yahooadam:

in this brief moment that im here, thx for the tip bulle – found the option i was looking for :)

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languid:

has anyone here had problems with a hauppage pvr-150 not being able to tune channels above 12 properly?

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Slyboots:

Helllo

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Slyboots:

Uh, Im having some problems building mythfrontend on my MacOS box

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Slyboots:

It goes through the build process, untill it hits a certain point.. Im just running it now and waiting for the error to pop up

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rsingh_:

does anyone know what file format does the "mythfilldatabase --file" command take?

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Slyboots:

Here we go..

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Slyboots:

[osx-pkg] log http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/ --revision HEAD --xml | grep revision

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Slyboots:

sh: line 1: log: command not found

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Slyboots:

[osx-pkg] Cannot get head revision – Got ''

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Slyboots:

the problem seems to be this missing program "log"

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Slyboots:

But.. where the hell do I get that

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public:

trying to figure out why mythtv is unable to link properly. has anyone seen this before? http://pastebin.com/m1ad0f2f5

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Slyboots:

o.O

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rsingh_:

does anyone have a sample file that will work with " mythfilldatabase --file"

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Agrajag-:

i have one that works for me

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rsingh:

would it be possible to send it to me?

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Agrajag-:

well i doubt it'll work for you since you wont have the same channel setup i do

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rsingh:

i just need to sample format

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rsingh:

i am parsing the data from a website

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rsingh:

i have parsed it, but cant figure out the format

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Agrajag-:

http://whatsbeef.net/philip/guide.xml

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rsingh:

thanks

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czhang:

Hello, anyone knows how to get mythtv-setup to retrieve channels from SD? I tried everything I can imagine, but still no luck

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Slyboots:

Anyone know why my Mythfrontend wont compile, or where I can get this mythical "log" program?

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czhang:

I am running Debian etch with the mythtv 0.20.2 from debian-multimedia

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languid:

does anyone know if the hauppage pvr-150 cards are affected by interferrence?

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languid:

like from inside the computer case.

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calvarez:

hello! quick question: I have a spare box (Athlon XP 2000+, 512MB RAM, Hauppage WinTV-PVR 150 MCE, NVIDIA GeForce 6200 256MB). I want to know which MythTV + Linux distro would be the fastest to get that box working as a set-top box, and hopefully without too much fiddling to get drivers working

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calvarez:

MythDora?

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calvarez:

I read somewhere that KnoppMyth can't be installed onto the HDD, and that Mythbuntu was still a little green

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calvarez:

Hopefully I'd like something that handles driver stuff in the installer

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languid:

calvarez: im using mythdora and find it to be quite good

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languid:

i haven't tried mythbuntu or knoppmyth, however

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calvarez:

languid, MythDora 4.0?

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languid:

calvarez: yes.

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calvarez:

languid, does the MythDora installer handle driver installation and configuration?

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calvarez:

for hauppage and nvidia cards, that is

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calvarez:

I can handle nvidia if necessary, but I've never installed hauppage (or video capture device) drivers

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languid:

calvarez: i have a hauppage pvr-150, nvidia geforce 6800, and a microsoft mce remote and they all were a snap with mythdora

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calvarez:

nice!

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languid:

all setup and with a few clicks

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calvarez:

mythdora it is then

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languid:

cool :)

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calvarez:

languid, did you have to do much fiddling to get TV guide working (now that Zap2it can't be used)

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calvarez:

do you use scheduleddirect?

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bsdfox__:

anyone know if there is a way to set the timeout on mythvideo downloading cover art? my dialup times out on half of them :(

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CBiLL:

can lirc do more than 1 usb device?

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bsdfox__:

also, anyone seen the 4-tuner hauppauge cards? I just bought 4 of them on ebay for $1.. don't get any hits on google for the model number :\ impulse buy, obviously.. are they just totally useless or..? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 150160749522

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CBiLL:

BNC connectors

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bsdfox__:

ih well :P

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bsdfox__:

I could just put a bnc connector on the end of a cable line right? I know someone with the right crimpers, strippers and ends

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languid:

has anyone here had problems with hauppuage cards and interference from other devices?

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defaultro:

fyi, http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/07/25/its-tv-squa . . . miere-dates/

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NightMonkey:

CBiLL: http://lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircd.conf

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Pcgeek215:

can the mythTV backend startup and shutdown before and after a shedueled recording without effecting the off frontend??

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bsdfox__:

Pcgeek215: works fine for me

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Pcgeek215:

awsome... BTW i'm new to mythTV and i think that it's AWESOME!!!

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Pcgeek215:

you'll see me rounf here more offten

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Pcgeek215:

*round

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Yahooadam:

juski, u online ?

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Yahooadam:

hmm scratch that, 3:30am ... i doubt it

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CBiLL:

Pcgeek215 : damn never saw that page before and I look all over the lirc website .. thanks

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Pcgeek215:

??

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Pcgeek215:

that wasn't me – nightmonkey

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CBiLL:

oh my eyes are on backward today

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CBiLL:

sorry

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CBiLL:

Thanks NightMonkey!

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Pcgeek215:

no probs

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xamindar:

how does the mythtv gestures work? does it really have them?

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CBiLL:

Pcgeek215 : thanks for correcting me =P

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xamindar:

how do i enable it?

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NightMonkey:

CBiLL: Good luck. :)

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Pcgeek215:

will mythTV control external devices through serial and an IR blaster??

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Yahooadam:

yes

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NightMonkey:

Pcgeek215: If you tell it how.

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Pcgeek215:

programming???

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Yahooadam:

no

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CBiLL:

configuring

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Pcgeek215:

ok

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Yahooadam:

lircd and lircrc configs

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Pcgeek215:

cool

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CBiLL:

and compling for each devices

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Pcgeek215:

thanks

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CBiLL:

Pcgeek215 : check that link NightMonkey pasted to me .. just what your looking for too then

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CBiLL:

same as me

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Yahooadam:

xamindar – all i can find in the wiki is a reference that it has been added, no instructions as of yet

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Pcgeek215:

i tbril

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Pcgeek215:

bril

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CBiLL:

Pcgeek215 : I wanted lirc to use and control 2 usb devices one a RF and another a IR

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xamindar:

Yahooadam, dang ok thanks. All I would really need it for is to go back in the menu. using a touchscreen

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xamindar:

at the moment at least

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Pcgeek215:

i was thinking about putting a blaster in the ceiling and let myth controll the tv and reciever through a blaster

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Pcgeek215:

good idea??

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Yahooadam:

if you like holes in your ceiling :p

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Yahooadam:

and assuming that the IR blaster you use is powerful enough to be seen

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Yahooadam:

other then that, dont see why it wouldnt work

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Anduin:

Pcgeek215: X10 used to sell little pyramid IR extenders

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Pcgeek215:

cool

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Pcgeek215:

thanks

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languid:

does anyone in here own a hauppuage pvr-150 mce?

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CBiLL:

I own a pvr 500 which is a dual 150

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jedix:

I have two tuners setup, but whne I use one of them I don't get program names and the guide starts at the last channel I have

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TSCHAK:

ugh, Comcast + HDHomeRun == the pain in the ass $#@%@#%!#@!!

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languid:

CBiLL: have you encountered any problems with interference from other devices in the computer?

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CBiLL:

not on mine no

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jedix:

anyone have any ideas on that issue?

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languid:

CBiLL: have you heard of anyone else having similar problems?

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CBiLL:

but I only used MythDora and Mythbuntu on my pvr 500 so far

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CBiLL:

so I can't say for any other distros

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CBiLL:

no I have not heard anything like that

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CBiLL:

I just started MythTV again and my old card was WinTV which I recently got the PVR500

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languid:

damn, alright well thanks

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Octane:

anyone else having problems witht he SD webpage

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Anduin:

Octane: No

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bsdfox__:

my pvr500 has poor quality at higher channel numbers :\ someone lost the daughter card and broke the coax input so I epoxy/soldered it back together.. looks fine up til about channel 20 then gradually gets worse til it's useless at 60+

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bsdfox__:

think I might try hooking up my wintv

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languid:

bsdfox__: i have a sort of similar problems

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languid:

bsdfox__: my card hasnt been broken or anything, but channels above 13 get progressively worse

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Anduin:

languid: could be your frequency table

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languid:

Anduin: i've tried all three choices for us-cable and none of them work

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languid:

Anduin: i just know that us-cable-hrc is wrong because the picture comes in black and white

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bsdfox__:

languid: how does it look on regular tv? ours looks ok but degrades around channel 55. I think there are too many connections on it, and the pvr500 has an internal splitter which just magnifies the problem

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languid:

bsdfox__: plugging the cable directly into the tv gets me a perfect signal, so i know it's a problem with my computer somewhere

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bsdfox__:

I think I might just ebay for a pair of pvr150s

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bsdfox__:

languid: it's probably the internal splitter :\

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languid:

bsdfox__: ah, that sucks :\

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bsdfox__:

yeah..

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bsdfox__:

anyone using a pvr-250? how is quality compared to a pvr150?

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languid:

Anduin: do you have any other ideas as to what the problem could be. ive heard that hauppuage cards sometimes suffer from interference from other pci devices.

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bsdfox__:

languid: fwiw, I've tried this card in 2 different PCs, one with no cards and onboard video, the other with a 16mb tnt and an sblive.. both had the same quality

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bsdfox__:

I've also removed all the other cables off the splitter and it's not much better (whereas the tv looks perfect)

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languid:

bsdfox__: hmmm... well i get REALLY bad interference by the time i get to channel 78... it's basically unwatchable. the image shakes around on the screen, it stutters, etc.

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bsdfox__:

I just have snow that gets gradually worse

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languid:

bsdfox__: hmmm... well whatever it is it's really annoying

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bsdfox__:

lots of people told me it was just low quality cable/splitters but then the tv wouldn't look good. I'm convinced it's the internal splitter on the pvr500 and marginal signal quality :\

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languid:

yeah

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languid:

why can't products just work :(

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Octane:

does anyone here use Josh Mastronard's sdfill script for older mythtv versions?

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Yahooadam:

languid – what power supply do u have in ure computer ?

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Inssomniak:

is there an abbreviated list of commits to trunk to look at?

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qfx:

Hello hello!

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: What you would see in trac would be as close as you would get, major feature stuff eventually makes it to the release notes.

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qfx:

I have an issue I'm hoping someone can help with. I just upgraded to .20.2 and I can't seem to tune past channel 13. I upgraded so I could use schedules direct

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Inssomniak:

sometimes hard to follow if a patch makes it in or not

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qfx:

I can see the listings fine, but I can't tune to channels 14+

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Inssomniak:

usually means you selected "antenna" mode for the capture card ?

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qfx:

I'll check that right away! Thanks

[03:18:26]

Inssomniak:

Im not sure how analog TV really works in mythtv though..?

[03:18:36]

qfx:

On that note, any idea why this transparency fading is so sloooow

[03:19:08]

Anduin:

Inssomniak: patches that make it in should be in tickets, the ticket comment should have the changeset (assuming it was closed properly, in general)

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Inssomniak:

I tried scanning analog channels with my pchdtv 5500 card, and it didnt even pick anything up, so I gave up there, even though there are many strong OTA channels hooked to it

[03:23:23]

bsdfox__:

what would you guys recommend for remote control solutions that are cheap/functional? having a keyboard in front of my tv is getting old :P

[03:23:43]

Yahooadam:

the hauppage USb remote

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Yahooadam:

or if you have some kind of all in remote, a serial IR reciever

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Yahooadam:

all in 1 remote #

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bsdfox__:

I don't, besides my stupid vcr remote which does tv/vcr/cable-sat but I don't have any docs on it

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Yahooadam:

i personally like the hauppauge remote, its simple, easy, works well, great range

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Yahooadam:

depends what you class as cheap, i believe people pick up the hauppage one for $30

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bsdfox__:

yeah, I've got 3 frontends setup so I was hoping to find something a little cheaper :\ guess $90 won't break me though

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Yahooadam:

if you check ebay

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Yahooadam:

you might be able to get an xbox remote on the cheap

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Yahooadam:

but u would need to solder a usb cable to it

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bsdfox__:

eh? why would the remote need a usb cable

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qfx:

dammit

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Yahooadam:

by the remote, i mean the reciever for the remote

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qfx:

I just replaced all the nice names Schedules direct provided me with with some "adding channel" garbage... anybody?

[03:30:17]

Yahooadam:

the remote uses IR, but the reciever uses an xbox plug, however, that is just carrying a USB signal

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bsdfox__:

oh, I could handle that

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Anduin:

qfx: look at mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates

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Octane:

anyone know if there is a way to check your schedules direct account and see if its working, besides logging in through the website?

[03:31:19]

Yahooadam:

ive seen xboxs go for £20 over here, includng the remote and games ...

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qfx:

Anduin: Thank you

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Yahooadam:

so im sure u can pick up the reciever cheapish

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qfx:

Yahooadam: Are you using XBox for your frontend?

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Yahooadam:

yes i am

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Yahooadam:

but i dont think it works very well

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Yahooadam:

im gonna try and upgrade the ram to 128mb (from 64) i think that will make the difference

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qfx:

Yahooadam: Are you running it via Linux on X? Or are you using the XBMC-scripts?

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Yahooadam:

Linux on X

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qfx:

I use the XBMC scripts, and I'm quite happy with it

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qfx:

It's not as full featured as a front-end, but it definitely more than does the trick for watching recorded shows (if that's what you primarily do)

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Yahooadam:

im aiming for it to be a TV replacement

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Yahooadam:

so i dont think it will suit my needs

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sxealex:

since everyone is talking about remotes anyone know of a good resource on how to set it up

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sxealex:

i have a pvr-150

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sxealex:

and the remote it shipped with

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Yahooadam:

what OS, and is that the USB remote ?

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sxealex:

and hav einstalled lirc

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qfx:

It also supports live-tv, but is not as proficient at that, so you're probably right.

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sxealex:

ubuntu

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sxealex:

7.04

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Yahooadam:

is that a USB remote sxealex ?

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sxealex:

the reciever is usb yea

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Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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Yahooadam:

it looks like the "Hauppauge PVR- kit" right ?

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sxealex:

perfect

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sxealex:

yea its the black one

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Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_lirc_install

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Yahooadam:

good guide for you

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Yahooadam:

ah the black one

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

well i dunno how much help i can give you

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Yahooadam:

the mythtv wiki says to use lirc_mceusb

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sxealex:

well i installed lirc wih synaptic

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sxealex:

so ill see if i can follow some of the later steps

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Yahooadam:

umm

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Yahooadam:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

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Yahooadam:

thats a good guide

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Yahooadam:

although the one i linked above is actually the same one, just in the mythtv wiki

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sxealex:

sweet ill play with it for a minute and let u know how it turns out

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sxealex:

thanks

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Yahooadam:

kk

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hobiga:

the best thing from the ubuntu guide was the section right at the end...Rebuild Modules.

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hobiga:

put that into a script and whenever the kernel is updated it will automatically upgrade your lirc for you

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Yahooada1:

sigh

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Yahooada1:

damn internet

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beata:

ok, so im trying to setup my hdhr i setup the tuner/input source and run a channel scan and it found around 40 channels. in the windows program, i can view and watch tv through vlc. However, i cant seem to find anyway to match what the windows client says and what myth says. anyone have any guidance?

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sxealex:

christ there are alot of steps to this

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beata:

yea

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sxealex:

sorry i wasnt refering to yer problem

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beata:

i figured that

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sxealex:

heh

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beata:

after i read up :)

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

sxealex – before you compile, your hardware.conf and lirc-modules-source.conf should match http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_l . . . #lirc_mceusb

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bsdfox__:

hmm just noticed the price drop on SD. time to sign up :)

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

$30 for a year is pretty good :)

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sxealex:

can i just make a symlink?

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sxealex:

nm maybe it wont follow it

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sxealex:

better to be safe

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Tall-guy:

so, I got two cards (350 and a 150), no vid showing up on the 150, suspect its the tuner setting....350 tuner gets set to 47 in my dmesg, 150 tuner gets set to 50 in my dmesg....any thoughts?

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Yahooada1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ_xyh4ehNo – damn thats impressive

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bsdfox__:

Yahooada1: yep

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sxealex:

i can do that with my fingers

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Aval0n:

weird, my plasma really doesn't have a problem with ghosting, but for some reason, if I'm in mythmusic even for like 5 minutes when I back out I still see shadows of the round buttons

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Aval0n:

so weird

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Aval0n:

gotta run the signal patern to get rid of them

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sxealex:

maybe it just likes them?

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Aval0n:

maybe so

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n: Ghosting and image persistence / burn in are two separate things.

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Aval0n:

Tanthrix yeah I know

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Tanthrix:

The former has to do with how fast the pixels on a screen can change, while the latter has to do with a stuck image

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Aval0n:

I don't belive it's burn in

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Aval0n:

my life has left the TV paused for over 2 hours before

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Aval0n:

and it did nothing

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Aval0n:

other than get me extremely pissed at her

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Tanthrix:

It most definately is – but likely it's not permanent, so it's more accurate to call it image persistence

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

so weird

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Aval0n:

maybe it's the specific color

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Aval0n:

it's a very vibrant blue

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Tanthrix:

Yah, I think different colors respond differently

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Aval0n:

that's the only time i've ever seen my plasma do it

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Aval0n:

is with those buttons

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Tanthrix:

Good ole' plasmas

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Aval0n:

:)

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Yahooada1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V7tBPsECjc – no wai

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ShockValue:

whatchall think the best scheduler is for mythtv? (kernel scheduling)

[04:18:58]

bsdfox__:

hmm uhoh.. I just signed up for SD and changed some settings around, now 75% of my channels are named "ding channel"

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bsdfox__:

and a bunch of them have no listing information..

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bsdfox__:

any ideas?

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qfx:

bsdfox__: mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --do-channel-updates

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bsdfox__:

thanks

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qfx:

hope it works

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hobiga:

has anyone had success compiling the latest svn on the xbox with gcc 3.x?

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bsdfox__:

it's working

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bsdfox__:

hmm, I'm trying to setup more capture cards in my box (have one pvr-500, two wintv cards). the pvr-500 works ok but has really bad quality at higher channels (it's got a broken coax connector). The wintv cards actually look pretty decent but I can't get audio to work.. they are bt878 which I understand should capture audio without a patch cable?

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bsdfox__:

anyone got ideas on configuring this?

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sxealex:

i used one of those preconfigured lircd.conf files

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sxealex:

but it was named .mceusb at te end

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sxealex:

yea... i didnt realize

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sxealex:

hehe

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spiderworm:

my tv came with a programmable remote... is it possible to buy a usb IR receiver wihtout buying a new remote?

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TSCHAK:

spiderworm, google for usb uirt

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TSCHAK:

spiderworm, :-)

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TSCHAK:

spiderworm, doubles as a blaster

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spiderworm:

TSCHAK, have you used the product? is it up to snuff?

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TSCHAK:

spiderworm, i have two of them in a LinuxMCE setup, and have used them in a pure mythtv setup as well, they work pretty well, and they seem to detect every remote i throw at them.

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spiderworm:

excellent

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TSCHAK:

i have it changing channels on my cable box, turning on/off/changing inputs on my TV, as well as accept input from the windows MCE remote that came with my unit (although I use a Fiire Chief gyro remote these days)

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spiderworm:

wow, its expensive

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TSCHAK:

$55?

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TSCHAK:

that's expensive?

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spiderworm:

for a simple IR receiver?

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TSCHAK:

okay man, whatever.

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Yahooada1:

you can get a serial IR reciever

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Yahooada1:

their like $10

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Yahooada1:

if that

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Aval0n:

guys

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Aval0n:

how do you use svn to update mythtv?

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Aval0n:

i've never used it before

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spiderworm:

did you use svn to check mythtv out?

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Yahooada1:

spiderworm – http://www.irblaster.info/receiver.html

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spiderworm:

TSCHAK, are you the guy making and selling them or something?

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TSCHAK:

spiderworm, you can use whatever reciever you want. but really, the one I suggested has worked best of all the units i've used..and the IR reciever works with everything I throw at it...and the blaster is very high-power... so... :-)

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Aval0n:

spiderworm eh?

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TSCHAK:

spiderworm, no.

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spiderworm:

Aval0n, how did you get and install mythtv? apt-get or something?

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Aval0n:

spider yeah

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Aval0n:

ubuntu synaptic package manager

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Aval0n:

was using feisty proposed 20.2

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Aval0n:

am using*

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spiderworm:

Aval0n, ok well then you cant use svn to update your mythtv install

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spiderworm:

Aval0n, you use synaptic package manager to update your mythtv install

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Yahooada1:

why do u need to update newer then the latest version :s

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Aval0n:

but svn is most current correct?

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spiderworm:

Aval0n, correct

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Aval0n:

I heard there is some cool stuff in the svn

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Yahooada1:

it has lots of unfinished changes yes

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Aval0n:

so I hear ya

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

I'll just stick with 20.2 for now.

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spiderworm:

Aval0n, take my advise and wait for the releases through synaptic

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TSCHAK:

dude, that IR reciever is a piece of shit.

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Aval0n:

spider ok

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Yahooada1:

and you would know ... how ?

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spiderworm:

TSCHAK, i can tell that you feel very passionate on the topic

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spiderworm:

does anyone else have an opinion on the IR receivers found at http://www.usbuirt.com/ ?

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sxealex:

Yahooada1: if you get a second im having touble with irw

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sxealex:

it just returns a prompt

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Yahooada1:

when you type IRW, does it return back to the terminal (user@computername: ) or does it just wait on the line below

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sxealex:

prompt

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Yahooada1:

spiderworm, i suspect they work, get the solution that fits you

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sxealex:

inother words remote isnt doing anything

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sxealex:

i get $

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Yahooada1:

mm

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sxealex:

i did a dmesg grep for lirc like it suggested

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Yahooada1:

open 2 terminals

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sxealex:

k

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Yahooada1:

sudo lircd -n

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Yahooada1:

irw on the other

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Yahooada1:

the lircd one should say somthing

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Yahooada1:

(oh dont forget to do sudo /etc/init.d/lirc stop first)

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Yahooada1:

spiderworm, i use a MCE remote, and i use a serial IR transmitter

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Yahooada1:

both work fine, both supported by linux/mythtv

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sxealex:

u kow what

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sxealex:

i think the conf file saved as txt

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sxealex:

one sec

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Yahooada1:

i believe you can pick up a hauppage MCE remote for like $30 though, including the remote

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bsdfox__:

:\ anyone using a wintv go card? I can't get my audio working

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Yahooada1:

did you look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-Go bsdfox

[04:58:03]

bsdfox__:

yes

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sxealex:

nice i think i fixed it

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bsdfox__:

doesn't really have anything useful besides "it should work"

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ShockValue:

i dunno about the usbuirt one.. i built my own for about $2.00

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bsdfox__:

I have two of the cards and neither gives me sound.. both are unmuted on capture channels and I'm using the right devices

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Yahooada1:

2) Use the card without its cable. Use the bttv driver for the video, and use btaudio driver on your Open Sound System (OSS) based linux box.

[04:59:06]

Yahooada1:

3) Use the card without its cable. Use the bttv driver for the video, and use snd-bt87x driver on your Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) based linux box.

[04:59:13]

Ozymandias2:

i am having a heck of a time getting my usb joystick working with myth tv — I can hook it up, and get values from jstest — but nothing in my joystickmenurc seems to make a difference

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bsdfox__:

ShockValue: got a DIY howto or something? what did you use as the receiver

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Tapout:

Does mythdora support SchedualsDirect?

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sxealex:

hmm ok i didnt fix it

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Yahooada1:

tapout, the latest version does

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ShockValue:

sec

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sxealex:

just got rid of one problem

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sxealex:

and have another

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sxealex:

hehe

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Yahooada1:

where are all the other helpers tonight :p

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sxealex:

haha

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sxealex:

its cool ill figure it out tomorrow

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sxealex:

thanks for your help so far

[05:01:01]

sxealex:

laters

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Tapout:

i got mythdora running.. mythdora 4 .. but don't see a "scheduals direct" setting in the setup.. i just rebooted so i'll recheck

[05:01:06]

Yahooada1:

its orite sxealex, yours is a problem i can help with :p

[05:01:15]

sxealex:

hmm

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Ozymandias2:

i also have a problem where saved videos will play the sound, but the video sticks at the mythtv menu and I cant exit out or do anything

[05:01:45]

Yahooada1:

tapout, looks like theres a patch

[05:02:12]

Yahooada1:

http://g-ding.tv/

[05:02:16]

Tapout:

Yahooada1, damn .. ok i'll go find the patch

[05:02:40]

ShockValue:

bsdfox__ http://stuff.nekhbet.ro/2006/07/10/make-an-in . . . -for-pc.html

[05:02:48]

bsdfox__:

cool, thanks

[05:02:49]

Ozymandias2:

the runtime listed on the menu is "0" on all my files, too

[05:03:00]

Ozymandias2:

mplayer can play my files though

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ShockValue:

it looks like crap (i didnt take the time to make it pretty) but it works :)

[05:03:16]

Yahooada1:

tapout, i just linked you to it

[05:03:23]

Yahooada1:

tapout – http://g-ding.tv/?q=node/2191

[05:03:34]

Tapout:

thanks Yahooada1, loaded it and seeing how it goes

[05:03:45]

Tapout:

gotta sign up to scheduals direct tho first probably

[05:03:55]

Yahooada1:

would be a good idea

[05:03:59]

sxealex:

sxealex@sxealex-myth:~$ sudo lircd -n

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sxealex:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[8057]: lircd(userspace) ready

[05:03:59]

sxealex:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[8057]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

[05:03:59]

sxealex:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[8057]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

[05:03:59]

sxealex:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[8057]: default_init(): No such file or directory

[05:04:00]

sxealex:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[8057]: caught signal

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sxealex:

Terminated

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Yahooada1:

sxealex – use pastebin next time

[05:04:22]

sxealex:

k sorry

[05:04:47]

Yahooada1:

hmmm

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bsdfox__:

ShockValue: looks easy enough

[05:05:04]

sxealex:

whats the link again?

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Yahooada1:

although i usually get an earful for suggesting it, i suggest rebooting your box

[05:05:19]

bsdfox__:

ShockValue: radioshack for the receiver?

[05:05:23]

ShockValue:

bsdfox__ well yeah, if I can do it, anyone can.. that was the first time i picked up a soldering iron :)

[05:05:28]

Yahooada1:

(as i dont yet know which modules u need to unload from the kernal to reset lirc)

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ShockValue:

bsdfox__ yeah rat-shack for all the parts.

[05:05:43]

bsdfox__:

cool

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Tapout:

hey Yahooada1 .. any idea what software I'd be using with MythDora ? they seem to want to know what software i'm using

[05:05:54]

sxealex:

k its a differnt compy

[05:05:57]

Tapout:

for XMLTV

[05:05:57]

sxealex:

so ill reboot

[05:06:08]

ShockValue:

sleepin time.. bbl

[05:06:48]

Yahooada1:

umm

[05:06:53]

Yahooada1:

what options do u have tapout

[05:07:09]

Tapout:

i just checked off something and hit next

[05:07:16]

Tapout:

i'll worry about it after if it bitches

[05:07:23]

Yahooada1:

....

[05:07:31]

Yahooada1:

your at teh first stage right

[05:07:43]

Yahooada1:

if so, the big bold letters saying "MythTV"

[05:07:54]

Yahooada1:

and next to that there is a checkbox saying "MythDora"

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Tapout:

nah i'm talking about the actual signup to the website

[05:08:16]

Yahooada1:

https://www.schedulesdirect.org/signup

[05:08:17]

Yahooada1:

as in there ?

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Tapout:

they wanna know if i'm using approved software, i just selected off mythdora and hit next ;)

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Tapout:

yeah

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Yahooada1:

sounds about right ...

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Yahooada1:

bsdfox_ any luck with your tuner situation

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sxealex:

member:identifier:yahooada1 i rebooted and got the same error

[05:11:52]

sxealex:

oops

[05:12:09]

Yahooada1:

if you go into /dev

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Yahooada1:

dir lirc*

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Yahooada1:

what devices do you have

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bsdfox__:

Yahooada1: nope :(

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sxealex:

lircd

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bsdfox__:

2007-09–16 21:59:34.981 NVR: Only read -1 bytes of 4096 bytes from '/dev/sound/dsp1

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bsdfox__:

read audio: Input/output error

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sxealex:

that is all

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bsdfox__:

I'm getting that when I try to capture with the tuner cards

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Yahooada1:

which audio driver are u using ?

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bsdfox__:

snd_bt87x

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Yahooada1:

did u check http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snd-bt87x

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bsdfox__:

yeah, again there isn't really any info

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Yahooada1:

cat /proc/asound/cards

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Yahooada1:

sxealex – can you pastebin /etc/lirc/hardware.conf and /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf

[05:16:15]

sxealex:

yea whats the pastebin link again

[05:16:22]

sxealex:

i dont use this stuff often

[05:16:25]

Yahooada1:

google pastebin ...

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sxealex:

k

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tjcarter:

http://www.diditforthelulz.com/attowned.jpg

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Tall-guy:

I have 2 cards PV350 + PV150, the 350 tunes fine and capture vid, the 150 shows no vid (well black/static – not snow), any clues?

[05:21:34]

bsdfox__:

I use www.pastebin.ca

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sxealex:

http://pastebin.com/m5a42eae2

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sxealex:

i threw in lircd.conf at the end for kicks

[05:22:23]

sxealex:

so it said ineeded to be sudo to vie the moudule one

[05:22:31]

sxealex:

i think im gonna change the permissions on that

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Tapout:

how long should the initial SD *raw.xml file take to grab? it's been like 1/2 an hour already and the file is still 0

[05:22:33]

sxealex:

?

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bsdfox__:

Tapout: I have dialup and I can get 14 days in about 10 minutes

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Yahooada1:

sxealex – probably wont help

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Tapout:

i'm installing iptraf to see if anything is going on

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sxealex:

nope it didnt

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Yahooada1:

try sudo modprobe lirc_mceusb

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Tapout:

is there a way to alt+tab between desktops?

[05:25:21]

Yahooada1:

ctrl alt left/right i thinlk

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sxealex:

i get a prompt again

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Tapout:

Yahooada1, you own

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Yahooada1:

sxealex – dmesg | tail

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Yahooada1:

also is there any more lirc stuff in /dev/lirc*

[05:27:19]

Tapout:

wow it took forever to download.. only 80K too .. but it's all good

[05:27:19]

sxealex:

nope

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Yahooada1:

doesnt sound like lirc is working yet

[05:28:24]

Yahooada1:

Fiesty (7.04) may require you to change DEVICE to DEVICE="/dev/lirc/0" despite the fact that the comments said this would be adjusted automagically but I found it not necessary.

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Yahooada1:

bsdfox_ u sure that second one is your tv tuners sound bit ?

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sxealex:

how do i get tail to output more

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sxealex:

cuz i have a kvm

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sxealex:

and it shows the stuff being input when i switch

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Yahooada1:

u can just do dmesg

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Yahooada1:

if you used tail --help

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Yahooada1:

you can see the -n switch allows you to specify lines

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Yahooada1:

so dmesg | tail -n 5

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Yahooada1:

bsdfox_ http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snd-bt87 . . . g_the_Driver

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Yahooada1:

as far as i can tell your sound card driver is loaded fine

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sxealex:

http://pastebin.com/d4b677d10

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sxealex:

i tacked onto the top there

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sxealex:

ill try changing device

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bsdfox__:

yeah :(

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Yahooada1:

did the testing phase check out okay ?

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bsdfox__:

gameinwatch h36sa # dd if=/dev/dsp1 of=/dev/dsp bs=1K count=33

[05:35:57]

bsdfox__:

dd: reading `/dev/dsp1': Input/output error

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bsdfox__:

:P

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sxealex:

Yahooada1: thanks for your help i have 15 hours of work in 6 hours so im gonna sleep

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sxealex:

lates

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bsdfox__:

patch cable doesn't work either

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Yahooada1:

nn sxealex, good luck with it

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Yahooada1:

bsdfox_ are u using ubuntu ?

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bsdfox__:

gentoo

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Yahooada1:

are u doing that as root ?

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bsdfox__:

yeah

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Yahooada1:

so much for that idea :p

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Yahooada1:

umm not alot i can suggest bsdfox_

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Yahooada1:

ive read what i can see, you seem to have read it too so ....

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Yahooada1:

if you goto /dev

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Yahooada1:

dir dsp*

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Yahooada1:

what do u have, just dsp and dsp1 ?

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Yahooada1:

i suggest you try the other devices, not much else i can suggest

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Yahooada1:

and as its now almost 7am i really should sleep, so gnite all, and happy viewing :)

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just_joe_1:

howdy all

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just_joe:

howdy all (again)

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just_joe:

can anybody help me debug why my tuner is permanently stuck as being used? Not sure where to start (after I looked at gossamer and not seeing anything helpful)

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bsdfox__:

just_joe: restart mythbackend

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Tapout:

in mythdora .. where do you redo your input settings?

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Tapout:

i've gone thru it 20 times, can't find it

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cesman:

Tapout: I'd think mythtv-setup

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cesman:

or mythtvsetup

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Tapout:

k thanks cesman, got the input working.. now I just gotta figure out how to get my MCE remote working

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cesman:

you

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Tapout:

ok remote is working, but something weird happens... when I hit guide, 0 data is there

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cesman:

you're welcome

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Tapout:

but .. it says it got it already

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Tapout:

if you use SD with MythDora.. the Input only has the old value, so I just said "no grabber" ..

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just_joe:

bsdfox: failed to bind port 6543. Exiting

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loops:

anyone know the name of that script which links media-file names to the real-names of the content within them?

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juski:

mythrename.pl --link

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loops:

thanks juski

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Tapout:

what does Perform EIT scan mean ?

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juski:

it means grab programme guide data from dvb streams

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Tapout:

oh

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Tapout:

after you setup your sources/input

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Tapout:

I setup SD .. how do I fetch all the latest data ?

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juski:

run mythfilldatabase

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just_joe:

whats the best way to restart the mythbackend?

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just_joe:

i mean kill it and just type mythbackend or do i need to copy the command line args from the running one?

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bsdfox_:

what distro

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bsdfox_:

killall mythbackend && mythbackend should work

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bsdfox_:

also /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart

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bsdfox_:

but that won't work on all distros

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just_joe:

mythdora

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bsdfox_:

I hate rpm distros.. but I think it's either service mythbackend restart or services mythbackend restart

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bsdfox_:

maybe just stop then start

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DustyBin:

my home ISP says i got a 8 Megabyte download and 448k upload limit, does 8 Megabyte download = 64 megabit download?

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just_joe:

ahh /etc/init.d... did it

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bsdfox_:

yes, but that's not what you have

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bsdfox_:

you MIGHT have 8Mbit

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just_joe:

well my tuner still doesn't work :( it says its unavailible

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DustyBin:

well, i worked it out using this calculator

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DustyBin:

http://www.matisse.net/bitcalc/?input_amount= . . . ation=legacy

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just_joe:

and it has worked in the past, I dont know why it stopped

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bsdfox_:

unavailable isn't the same as in use

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just_joe:

eek /hang head in shame i was inconsistant in what i was saying

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just_joe:

tuner status says "tuner 1 is unavailible"

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bsdfox_:

make sure you've got a video source associated with it

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just_joe:

when i move over to that line it says "tuner 1 [mpeg:/dev/video0] is unavailible

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just_joe:

do i have to exit the mythtv and run setup to look at the tuner settings?

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laga:

just try it :)

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just_joe:

i did

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sslashes:

if i change the hostname of my machine – instead of running myth-setup again, is there something i can change in the database to reflectg the new hostname?

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just_joe:

but setup doesnt seem to show me my preonfigured tuner it just asks if i want to remove old settings

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laga:

sslashes: yes. that's in the documentation, somewhere near the end i think

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laga:

just_joe: answer "no" and go to the tv cards section?

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just_joe:

there is no "no" option just new card and delete all cards

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laga:

ah

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laga:

sorry, thought you were in a different screen.

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laga:

hum

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sslashes:

on the wiki i found this (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . ndServerIP), but it just says to run myth-setup

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laga:

did the host name of your computer change?

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just_joe:

laga: no its still the same name

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sslashes:

laga: yes, i changed it

[08:22:31]

laga:

sslashes: sorry, was talking to just_joe :)

[08:22:35]

sslashes:

but i do not want to re-configure verything (i have some very non-standard settings that i do not want to go around and change everything again)

[08:22:39]

sslashes:

ah =P

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laga:

just_joe: well, i'd re-add that capture card then if it's gone

[08:22:48]

laga:

sslashes: as i said, it's in the docs

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just_joe:

laga how can i tell if it is gone?

[08:23:14]

laga:

just_joe: if it's not listed there, it's probably gone...

[08:23:22]

laga:

it's not hard...

[08:25:25]

just_joe:

ahh ok

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laga:

i dunno why it would be gone, though

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just_joe:

argh now i have inside mythtv tuner1 unavailible tuner 2 not recording!

[08:30:45]

laga:

are you sure your database is in a sane state and not corrupted?

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just_joe:

how can i check?

[08:31:35]

just_joe:

oh mythdbcheck?

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sslashes:

laga: after following the docs, when trying to re-import the databas ei get a duplicate key error

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laga:

sslashes: this probably assumes that your database is empty.

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laga:

make sure you have a backup :)

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sslashes:

loops: do you mean an empty database on import, because it *is* empty

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sslashes:

grep cabbed-up MythLogBot

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sslashes:

erm – nem the last grp thing, wrong window =P

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laga:

sslashes: yeah...

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sslashes:

laga: i have a backup, which imports fine – but using the sed method descripbed in the docs results in the duplicate key entry, and when i used a text editor to do a find and replace, the same thing happends

[08:42:49]

sslashes:

*happens

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chris_:

having a problem with the final stages of a standalone frontend system seems I'm getting "could not read myth://192.168.1.x:6543/ " can anyone help final tweaks and I've probably missed something

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laga:

sslashes: maybe you can track down the duplicate key and modify it

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laga:

chris_: where do you get that?

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just_joe:

ok that seemed to fix it

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chris_:

unable to watch recordings but the preview works just fine

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just_joe:

but i have no data and am on an old version. shoot

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chris_:

when switching to watch recordings

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laga:

chris_: in mythtv-setup on your backend, what IP addresses ahve you entered there?

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chris_:

proper local ip address

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chris_:

I have a laptop that hasn't gone through the painfull reinstall

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chris_:

and works as it should no issues with mythbackend

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laga:

have you entered the ip address in both fields?

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sslashes:

is there an easy way to check if realtime priority threads is working?

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chris_:

laga yes its in both fields

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Tapout:

My remote won't change the channels, i've got MCE and the guide works and everything, just not changing the channels or typing in the numbers, anyone know why?

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rooaus:

sslashes: log file

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Tapout:

my damn media center remote won't shoot out the signals to change channels.. anyone know why?

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directhex|work:

it hates you and wants to eat your pets

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Tapout:

let it eat the pets, I can't stand my girlfriends cats anywyas

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Merlin83b2:

Tapout: How do you know it's not sending the signal?

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CBiLL:

had a flickering on my tv

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CBiLL:

changing to libmeg seem to improve it .. is that suppose to help?

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Tapout:

Merlin83b2, cause it flashes red with media center.. with mythtv .. changing the channel, it won't flash red

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Merlin83b2:

What flashed red?

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CBiLL:

I got some flickering issue

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Tapout:

the IR blaster thing.. came with the media center remote. You tape it to the front of the satellite receiver and it'll automatically send out the channel code to change the channel

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CBiLL:

any suggest on how to reduce flickerings?

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Merlin83b2:

Tapout: Okay, and it's still flashing?

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Tapout:

no

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Merlin83b2:

Oh, no.

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Tapout:

it doesn't flash

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Tapout:

i'm trying to get it to flash

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Merlin83b2:

I've never used an irblaster I'm afraid.

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rooaus:

Tapout: If you want to confirm if an ir remote is transmitting use the camera in your mobile phone. They are quiet sensitive to ir wavelengths.

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darksk1ez:

i'm trying to tune an ATSC card, but I dont know any good resources for atsc things, where i can find what modulation is used, what inversion should be set to, etc..

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darksk1ez:

google isnt helping me so much :(

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juski:

darksk1ez: you need dvb-utils or somesuch – different distros call it different things sometimes

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juski:

basically you need scan & azap

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darksk1ez:

juski: is there a standard modulation for terrestrial broadcasts, like QAM or VSB?

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juski:

it's not QAM or VSB AFAIK – it's ATSC

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darksk1ez:

juski: atsc can use VSB_8/VSB_16/QAM_64/QAM_256, and there are INVERSION settings too, but i dont know what they should be, i cant look up the broadcasts and see what is what.

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juski:

darksk1ez: myth should autodetect it

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darksk1ez:

trouble is, i'm doing this remotely :) So i need to know at the basic level I can get a lock on a known good.

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juski:

if you're just trying to test the tuner outside of mythtv use the dvbutils' 'scan' utility to make a channels.conf file then you can use 'azap'

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darksk1ez:

kk, ta

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CBiLL:

any1 with experince setting up uirt in lirc?

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juski:

well, that's yet more mythtv case badges shipped to the states :)

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d0lr_:

I have not seen mention of any database other than mysql in the MythTV documentation ... is it possible to run it using postgresql on the backend or is it bound to mysql for some reason?

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quicksilver:

it is bound to mysql

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quicksilver:

althouhg in the past people have hacked it for pgsql

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quicksilver:

btu it requires code changes

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quicksilver:

and causes flame wars :)

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d0lr_:

oops ... ok got it. thanks for the heads up :-)

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jams:

man it's very difficult todo something original with the playback screen

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juski:

theming again jams?

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jams:

yeah

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jams:

just toying around

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juski:

it's more than difficult. I'd say pretty much impossible without making silly sacrifices

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jams:

http://jmeyer.us/theme_inp/

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jams:

yes i am starting to think the same thing

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jams:

it's 800x600 and I just wanted more space

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jams:

don't think it's going to happen

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juski:

heh. 4:3 themes :(

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juski:

for some of the stuff I'd like to do there has to be a lot of change in the UI code

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jams:

not that big of deal i suppose. I don't expect this theme to be very popular. It's not blue/grey/silver/black

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juski:

I saw a filler spot between shows the other day which made me think about how menus & lists could be changed

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jams:

thing that got me started again, was i did a quick mockup/joke for knoppmyth.

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directhex|work:

make a my little pony theme

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directhex|work:

with pink and rainbows

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jams:

directhex|work- at one point i did have rainbows in the background =)

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directhex|work:

and ponies?

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jams:

no ponies

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pointer:

I saw some stuff in the wiki regarding hardware...but would anyone care to make any personal recommendations on an MB for a dedicated mythbackend...my current junk MB is running out of PCI slots with 2 tuners and a 3ware

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|Torg|:

what are the tuner cards? what is the input source?

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pointer:

two dual tuner hauppauge PVRs and analog cable AT

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juski:

4 tuners isn't enough?

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pointer:

analog cable, ATM...thinking about adding OTA HD

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juski:

hdhomerun will give you 2 OTA HD tuners

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juski:

and it won't take a pci slot :)

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pointer:

good question....is there a way to make the second tuner on the card use the same analog cable input....every time I tried that before...the box would just reboot

[14:23:01]

pointer:

I used to have 4 digital receivers...but switched to analog because I didn't really use the digital channels (> 100) that much

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|Torg|:

the BE requirements for an SD is CPU intensive, while the BE requirements for a HD box is HDD intensive

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|Torg|:

both can usualy get away with 1G of memory

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juski:

you can't split an AV feed from a cable box to 2 capture cards really

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pointer:

right now I have an XP2100 w/1.5GB mem

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|Torg|:

the FE needs a decient (not high end) video card, and a high end cpu for HD, you can use just about enyhting to play back SD

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pointer:

and a 3ware 95xx (sata2) w/4 seagate enterprise 7200rpm drives...16MB cache

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pointer:

for the backend...that is

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|Torg|:

build a FE then, leave it as a BE

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pointer:

I have a dedicated 2.4ghz FE...my questions were:

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|Torg|:

if you want to stick with SD and not do HD now yo can use some of the mini-ata and a few other nice small boxes

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pointer:

1. what motherboard would you guys recommend for the backend?

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|Torg|:

a BE is fairly insignificant in the setup as hardware goes

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|Torg|:

what CPUS do you use now?

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pointer:

2. if I'm not using a cable box/receiver (just using analog cable) can I use the coax input on the hauppauge pvr cards for both of the tuners on the dual tuner cards?

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pointer:

the backend is an athlon XP2100

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|Torg|:

and if you are competant as a linuix admin you dont need a monitor, keybaord or mouse for it

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|Torg|:

get another AMD motherboiard then

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pointer:

the frontend is 2.something P4

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|Torg|:

sound slike hat I have

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|Torg|:

I OFTEN wish I would have sticked with all AMD

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pointer:

so on the tuner question....?

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|Torg|:

you want to add tuners, but are running out of PCI slots

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pointer:

if I'm not using a cable box/receiver (just using analog cable) can I use the coax input on the hauppauge pvr cards for both of the tuners on the dual tuner cards?

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pointer:

last time I tried it...the backend just kept rebooting

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pointer:

not sure if it was a driver issue or if the cards just don't support it

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|Torg|:

I dont know, most hauppage truners I know can only use one input at a time

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|Torg|:

its not like I use all of them tho

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anykey_:

pointer: you can only use one input per tuner at the same time

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pointer:

so I need to use the composite input for the second tuner or something?

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pointer:

anykey_: I'm specifically talking abouat a PVR-500...and using analog cable only

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anykey_:

pointer: no, you can use two cable inputs on the PVR-500 at the same time, but not cable + s-video + composite + cable

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clop:

hi, do i need to upgrade my mythtv version in order to use the new schedulesdirect thing? i was using 0.20 from Ubuntu feisty fawn

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|Torg|:

yes clop, 0.20.2 or better

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clop:

are there ubuntu packages or do i need to build it myself?

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pointer:

anykey_: ah, cool...so I just need to configure the other two tuners then?

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|Torg|:

I would think there are already packes, I dont use ubuntu so I dont know for sure

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anykey_:

pointer: the other *two*?

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pointer:

anykey_: *nod*... I have two PVR-500s in my BE

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anykey_:

ah

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anykey_:

yeah, of course

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|Torg|:

clop, I assume you used apt-get to update it

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pointer:

anykey_: when I switched from digital to analog (used to use 4 digital receivers; 2 outputting coax and 2 composite)...I recall the backend just rebooting when I tried to use 2 tuners on the same card using only the coax input

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anykey_:

pointer: hm, this works perfectly for me

[14:37:07]

pointer:

anykey_: ok...it may have been a power issue...I upgraded the power supply recently

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pointer:

so this HDhomerun thing....is it multicast or something? how does it do channel changes?

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|Torg|:

yes via IP

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clop:

aah, i had to add "proposed software" to my apt-get sources, and then it was there. ;)

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pHnz:

He have a way to do not record and to do not do an insertion in the MYSQL database each time the we change channel on live tv

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pHnz:

thx

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GreyFoxx:

ummm what ?

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|Torg|:

he dosnt want the BE to record is last channel on bunnyporn

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GreyFoxx:

there is no built in way to do that :)

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pHnz:

Because each time then we change channel a request for a new insertion are done

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pHnz:

Like INSERT INTO recordedseek (chanid, starttime, mark, type, offset) VALUES ( '2710' , '2007-09–07T05:30:00' , '6' , 6 , '2426880' )

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GreyFoxx:

yes, myth keep track of the seektable while recording

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|Torg|:

thats what allows you to pause, rewind, etc

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pHnz:

yep

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pHnz:

it is possible to disable this ?

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GreyFoxx:

pHnz: It happens constantly while recording, not just om channel change

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GreyFoxx:

and no it's not configurable

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pHnz:

mmm

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GreyFoxx:

why would you want to ?

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|Torg|:

its a base functionality of a DVR in general and not specifly of Myth

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|Torg|:

i.e. its WHY they are made

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|Torg|:

why do yo want to disable it?

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pHnz:

to reduce the activity of my server. because it's a Myth network (8 mythtv used as client and 1 server) and we need to reduce the activity because every day some client's "frost"

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pHnz:

the are freeezzz

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anykey_:

pHnz: upgrade your server then

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pHnz:

lol

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|Torg|:

spread thhe load to other servers or upgrade to a better server

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GreyFoxx:

phz: That insert is not from client to the backend, it's done by the backend doing the recording to the database

[15:00:28]

pHnz:

you can't have a fastest server

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GreyFoxx:

so the client doesn't have anything to do with it

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pHnz:

i know but

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anykey_:

pHnz: you can't expect a machine to handle 8 concurrent myth-clients without having some fast hardware in it

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GreyFoxx:

anykey_: Actually if you are just going sdtv 8 clients shouldn't be a problem

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|Torg|:

anykey_ actually thats not too dificult other the the bandwidth from stremaing, 8 connecitons are just tcp sockets

[15:02:03]

pHnz:

anykey_ it's a ML 370

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anykey_:

yeah, if it's SD...

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pHnz:

with SAS DISK

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anykey_:

pHnz: what's a ML 370?

[15:02:23]

pHnz:

HP Proliant

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GreyFoxx:

an HP box

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|Torg|:

pHnz if your really paranoid about the speed go put your mysql on a seperate driuve (not slice, drive) not a fast drive, but a low latent drive

[15:03:07]

|Torg|:

then go optomise mysql for insert speed rahter then for select speed, but then you are sorta shooting yourslef int he foot for watching

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GreyFoxx:

pHnz: how many recordings do you have going at once ? up to 8 at once?

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anykey_:

but I can't belive that those queries slow down a machine like this that much... maybe something is screwed up?

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|Torg|:

you can also have mysql optiomise itslef (in fact you should)

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pHnz:

GreyFoxx yes

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pHnz:

many

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GreyFoxx:

those queries should have almost 0 impact on the machine

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pHnz:

Because the users who using myth are really NOOBS

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anykey_:

pHnz: nothing wrong with that, I think?

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pHnz:

and they can seek 4–5 channels at times

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pHnz:

so...

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GreyFoxx:

I've had 13 recordings at once withg no problems. 3 pvr cards, 1 firewire input, and 8 dvb inputs (on the slave backend) all writing to the same NFS store and mysql database

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GreyFoxx:

with 5 clients

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GreyFoxx:

the masterbackend+nfs+mysql box is an xp2500+ machine with standard IDE drives

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pHnz:

mmm

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anykey_:

pHnz: any other services that could impact performance?

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pHnz:

it's possible then it's simply the PVR card's who's too hot ?

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pHnz:

anykey_ i try to found but no way ;\

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GreyFoxx:

phz: Mine (pvr 250's) do get very hot

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GreyFoxx:

I've got them spaced out in the case with fans pointed at them pushing the heat right out of the case

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|Torg|:

my HD cards do that, and I have to dynamicly turn off the chips

[15:06:59]

pHnz:

mmmmm

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|Torg|:

but that dosnt do anyting to performace other then the fact I cant change channel if I didnt do it

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pHnz:

it's bad because i need to schedule a cronjob to reboot the myth client's every night and sometimes they are down when the IT enter at work in the morning.

[15:08:10]

pHnz:

Can't connect to SSH

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pHnz:

NADA.

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|Torg|:

its psoible its mythfilldatabase doing it

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GreyFoxx:

nothing, I mean NOTHING on the server can lockup a client

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anykey_:

pHnz: maybe some buggy driver on the frontends?

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pHnz:

No :\

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GreyFoxx:

if the client is literally locking and not network reachable the problem is the clients

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anykey_:

pHnz: this has absolutly nothing to do with the server...

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pHnz:

yup tyhe problem is the client

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pHnz:

i think

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pHnz:

on the frontend probably

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pHnz:

yup the*

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pHnz:

it's why i would disable recording.

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anykey_:

pHnz: the server does recording, not the client

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pHnz:

how can i see he have a StartRecording(); function in the binary

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pHnz:

so i'll to recompile without.

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pHnz:

i'll try*

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CaptObviousman:

greetings, earthlings

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Kazan:

anyone know of any PCI or PCI Express wireless N network cards for linux

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Kazan:

when i eventually rebuild my mythtv deployment i think i'm going to build a huge RAID array and backend box that i can put in another room

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Kazan:

and i want to setup a private wireless N network between it and my frontend

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|Torg|:

Kazan not a good idea, geta PCI gigE card and private network it

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Kazan:

can't run cable

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Kazan:

computer cluster and tv/frontend not in same room

[15:16:40]

Kazan:

don't want to run ugly cable along the edge of the floor

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Kazan:

what is wrong with that idea anyway

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anykey_:

it's slow

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Kazan:

wireless N is 270mbit

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|Torg|:

speed isnt the problem latency is

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CaptObviousman:

wireless is wireless. Random packets get lost, people get to read what's wizzing past, etc

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Kazan:

if it's a private link.. not shared

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Kazan:

CaptObviousman: that's what crypto is for

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Kazan:

and all that would be flying across it is video

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Kazan:

my current combined fe/be is wireless bridged to the rest of my network

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|Torg|:

wireless is RF, do you have a TV? Do you have a wireless phone? Do you have florescent lights? Do you have a Microwave?

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** CaptObviousman has an inherant mistrust of wireless after getting compromised once **

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|Torg|:

not all things that screw with 802.11 are in thensleves a wireless device

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CaptObviousman:

my data is my data, whether that's email, video, or bank statements

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Kazan:

CaptObviousman: your fault for not securing

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CaptObviousman:

Kazan: was using 128bit wep you prick

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laga:

well

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laga:

that's not secure

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Kazan:

plus there is nobody within range of my network who would have the first clue as to how to break into one

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|Torg|:

well if you insist on wirelss go get a USB dongle, there easy and cheap

[15:19:41]

Kazan:

does RAID5 have to be multiples of three? or just minimum three?

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Kazan:

|Torg|: did i mention linux?

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Kazan:

USB dongle+linux = not compat as far as i've ever seen

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|Torg|:

minumum of 3, no max, altho I wouldt go above 8

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Kazan:

performance issues above 8?

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Kazan:

(Chasis i'm looking at only has room for 8)

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|Torg|:

raid calculations gt big

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Kazan:

ie slow?

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|Torg|:

its XOR + XOR + XOR + XOR + XOR + XOR + XOR

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Kazan:

8x500GB RAID5 :P

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|Torg|:

not slow, more

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Kazan:

i think i could live with 3500GB for a while

[15:21:49]

Kazan:

3259 actually... less the conversion from decimal gigs to binary gigs

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Kazan:

2.96TB :P

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|Torg|:

you do know about the window size of 802.11 vs ethernet right?

[15:24:08]

|Torg|:

and th fact you fragment you packets just by using them?

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|Torg|:

and the fact NFS really really REALLY hates that?

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|Torg|:

its why putting jumbo frames on gigE works so well (well not so well too)

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|Torg|:

but if you insist....

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CaptObviousman:

he's already decided to use wireless, let him screw it up

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Kazan:

there has got to be a better solution than NFS

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Kazan:

CaptObviousman: bite me

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|Torg|:

iscsi?

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Kazan:

|Torg|: i don't care if it doesn't perform perfectly.. as long as it's capable... hence using N – i have a link across G but i would never network storage across G

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laga:

nbd?

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|Torg|:

laga he said better not worse :P

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Kazan:

lol

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laga:

heh

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Kazan:

well.. i'll tell you what i'm hoping to do.. of course i'll not have the money anytime soon so it'll be quite a while before i can do this

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Kazan:

backend will have video adapters, 1 system drive, then a 8x500GB RAID5 storage array. Backend would be tied into main network via 100base, main storage available to windows via SMB. Private link between backend and frontend, preferably wireless (for WAF) – iptables bridging the networks togeather.

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Kazan:

of course this is just a wet dream... i don't have the $$ and i probably won't for 2 years.. by then i can make even bigger storage arrays.. probably be talking about 8x1TB :P

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CaptObviousman:

anyone here use a Silverstone LC16m case for a frontend?

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Dibblah:

Kazan: Don't do that.

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CaptObviousman:

thing comes with a remote, I'm curious A) How well it works (I heard it was sluggish) and B) how well the case worked out

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Kazan:

Dibblah: don't do what?

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Dibblah:

You're talking a minimum of 100w / year to spin rust ;)

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Dibblah:

Err... 100w. Not a year.

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Dibblah:

But in the UK, that's £100...

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Kazan:

a lightbulb? :P

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** Kazan is in the US **

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Dibblah:

In one year.

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Kazan:

aa

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Dibblah:

Don't RAID5 over a big array.

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Dibblah:

It means you can't power it down.

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jams:

CaptObviousman- good chance it's an imon remote. and can't say thats the best choise

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Kazan:

our power bills is already kinda high with dishwasher, eletric stove, tv+mythbox+audio, 2 more computers

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jams:

choice

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|Torg|:

Dibblah how much do yo pay for electricity?

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CaptObviousman:

what's a good choice for remote then?

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Dibblah:

£1 for a watt-year, approximately.

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Kazan:

Dibblah: 9 drives broke into 3 RAID5s then LVMed?

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|Torg|:

we, well I, but it by the killowatt hour, do you get it priced differntly?

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Dibblah:

Really, I wouldn't bother. RAID1 if you need to.

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Kazan:

but... storage loss

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Kazan:

i wasn't going to use it just for mythtv

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Kazan:

it would going to be combined BE + network file server

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jams:

CaptObviousman- what i don't like about the imon is they are mushy. And the receiver only works with imon remotes. MCE remotes and streamzap remotes are good cheap intro devices

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Dibblah:

|Torg|: No, but it's easier to visualise in those units.

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CaptObviousman:

Kazan: I'm aiming to do something similiar, though on a smaller scale

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Dibblah:

ie if you have a 50w constant load, it costs you £50 / year.

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|Torg|:

ahh ok, I wonder what ours comes too. Ive often wonders how much my system add to my electic bill

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juski:

Dibblah: yeah but don't forget that outside the UK, electricity is generally a _lot_ cheaper

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juski:

my backend pulls a stupid amount of watts 24/7, 365

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|Torg|:

yes juski im trying to figure that out now, I belive it is much cheaper here

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Dibblah:

I know. If only I owned a lake up a mountain, I'd be rich, I tell you!

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beata:

ok, so im trying to setup my hdhr i setup the tuner/input source and run a channel scan and it found around 40 channels. in the windows program, i can view and watch tv through vlc. However, i cant seem to find anyway to match what the windows client says and what myth says. anyone have any guidance?

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juski:

we tend to pay about £0.10 per kilowatt hour

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|Torg|:

we pay half that

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juski:

|Torg|: so $0.05 per kW/h ?

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laga:

juski: shut it down when it's not used, it's that simple

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|Torg|:

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Merlin83b2:

No sir

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Merlin83b2:

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|Torg|:

no 0.10 to 0.12 per killowat

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|Torg|:

yes Merlin83b2 thats what I meant

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Dibblah:

Merlin83b2: You don't live over here, obviously.

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Merlin83b2:

:)

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Kazan:

lot of size loss for RAID0[3,RAID5[3,500]] compared to RAID5[9,500]

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Merlin83b2:

Obvious how, Dibblah?

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Dibblah:

For hardware, it's usually $=UKP.

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Merlin83b2:

Dibblah: We weren't talking hardware.

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juski:

always puzzles me why people feel they need multi-terabyte storage for TV shows

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Dibblah:

It's getting better recently, but...

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Kazan:

shouldn't the system be able to spin down individual drives when they're not under heavy utilization

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|Torg|:

we have tired paricing, ie you use more you pay less, hows that for savin electricy

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Kazan:

juski: more than just TV shows?

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|Torg|:

and it changes in the summer and winter

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Dibblah:

Kazan: Not with RAID5.

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tjcarter:

Merlin83b2: US = EVERYTHING HALF OFF NOW!!! ;)

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Kazan:

Dibblah: someone needs to make RAID5+PM then :D

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|Torg|:

juski at 7GB per hour it does add up

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juski:

I saw 'click' at the weekend – they showed the storage figures for various ILM projects. crazy numbers

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|Torg|:

altho I only use 1.5TB

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tjcarter:

Merlin83b: it's better than France

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Kazan:

juski: i'm talking about storing pretty much everything on this array

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juski:

|Torg|: our SDTV can be anything up to half that

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Dibblah:

juski: 'click'? They use zip drives?

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|Torg|:

1/8 from what Ive recorded

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** Merlin83b slinks off again. **

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juski:

Dibblah: the BBC News24 technology magazine show

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Merlin83b:

I AM in the UK.

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Dibblah:

Ah.

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Dibblah:

Merlin83b: Heh.

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juski:

best thing on News24 all week

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Merlin83b:

And frequently (ish) travel between Europre, UK and the US.

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Kazan:

though... by the time i make these array they may have 1–2TB drives.. so i can scale the drive count down accordingly

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Dibblah:

juski: Actually, that's not saying a lot, is it?

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juski:

Dibblah: it IS good though

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|Torg|:

2 hrs is 1.7 GB SD, 1 hr is 7.4 GB SD

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tjcarter:

France is just 547,030 km^2 of Duty Free store

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juski:

and it's not quite as MS centric as a lot of UK computing shows

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|Torg|:

so about 7:1 8:1 it depends sone HD is larger, some SD is smaller. but you get the idea

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tjcarter:

Good for cheap booze, but that's about it =D

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Merlin83b:

Let me guess tjcarter, you live in Kent?

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tjcarter:

Merlin83b: Actually, I'm in Oregon, United States..

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Kazan:

the HD coming over my QAM256 is only taking around 5GB/hour

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** Dibblah wishes for a good hardware mpeg4 transcoder that does PAL native resolutions :( **

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juski:

sometimes I think about taking a linux magazine subscription but I have my doubts about any of them being any good after reading certain 'factual' articles about mythtv

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tjcarter:

Merlin83b: But I know people from there =D

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Merlin83b:

tjcarter: That's some mightily specific knowledge, then.

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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juski:

Dibblah: not the Plextor ConvertX ?

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Dibblah:

Transcoder.

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juski:

heh

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|Torg|:

So Dibblah fomr your eample It would be $.50 per year per watt

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Dibblah:

Err... There was a USB stick thing.

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Kazan:

6GB/hour is what my system is needing for HD

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Dibblah:

$2.

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juski:

sod that. I'd love to see a proper hardware accelerated h.264 decoder card

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tjcarter:

Merlin83b: That the US is a giant half-price store and that France is just a place for a Brit to get cheap booze?

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|Torg|:

I did the math the wrong way?

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juski:

one which can be used to transcode too :)

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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CaptObviousman:

Amortized over a year, $50 for your hobby is really ridiculously cheap

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|Torg|:

shit I need more coffee

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Merlin83b:

tjcarter: France in particular.

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CaptObviousman:

$4 + change? c'mon, just don't go get a burger one meal

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juski:

and I still think it's hilarious how people opt for mythtv to 'save money' over renting a cable co's own DVR

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Dibblah:

CaptObviousman: That would be true, if that was true.

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Kazan:

i bet current video cards have the stuff needed to accell h264 it just needs implemented

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Dibblah:

My backend is 240w or so.

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Dibblah:

So £250 over a year.

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juski:

Kazan: true. not that any video card manufacturer has ever been quick to add linux support for anything

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Dibblah:

$500.

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CaptObviousman:

ouch

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tjcarter:

Merlin83b: I think people from as far as London make it a point to head to France once in awhile for that purpose ;)

[15:47:06]

CaptObviousman:

ok, $40 is a bit different

[15:47:13]

CaptObviousman:

I can't believe how expensive power is in the UK, jesus

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|Torg|:

I tend to think of it terms as per month, so I *guessing* $40-$50 per month for all my IT equiment, extra AC and the heat it puts out

[15:47:29]

Kazan:

juski: ATI is in the process of releasing the programming specs for all their cards... so....

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Merlin83b:

tjcarter: London's nearly in Kent.

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Dibblah:

Heh. At least our country doesn't have rolling blackouts, I guess.

[15:47:53]

Dibblah:

... Yet.

[15:47:53]

tjcarter:

It's not THAT close ..

[15:47:57]

Kazan:

XvMC + vaapi support here we come

[15:48:02]

juski:

Kazan: they're in the process of doing _something_. Everything about exactly what they're up to is conjecture, from what I've read

[15:48:06]

** tjcarter checks his geography **

[15:48:23]

Kazan:

Dibblah: i saw something about those being intentionally caused by the power company so they could jack their prices up

[15:48:26]

|Torg|:

I thought everyone in the UK lived in London :P

[15:48:28]

CaptObviousman:

are there guidelines for what specs I should aim for on my front end?

[15:48:31]

Kazan:

juski: they already released some of the docs

[15:48:33]

Dibblah:

London... Far up the UK... Bwahaha.

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juski:

it might be nice one day to be able to actually _recommend_ ATI hardware to anybody

[15:48:40]

Kazan:

juski: they released the documentation for the r630

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: Most people can't afford to live in London

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Dibblah:

"Anything north of the Watford gap is North", apparently.

[15:48:56]

Kazan:

juski: and will be releasing the others

[15:48:57]

Dibblah:

Kazan: No, they didn't.

[15:48:58]

|Torg|:

tjcarter you got that right

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niter3:

Hey guys, where can I read what the "1, C, F" symbols mean. "C=Conflic, F=Flag, 1=???" etc???

[15:49:01]

Kazan:

Dibblah: yes.. they did

[15:49:13]

juski:

if there was a bounty up for bringing hardware accelerated video decoding to linux I'd pay

[15:49:16]

|Torg|:

I figure Londan has to be the most expnsive city in the world next to Tokyo

[15:49:23]

Dibblah:

They've released the raw registers. For the dumb framebuffer.

[15:49:24]

Kazan:

they're on the x.org site

[15:49:27]

CaptObviousman:

Moscow is worse, so I've been told

[15:49:29]

juski:

|Torg|: london is but one thing – overrated

[15:49:40]

Kazan:

i didn't say they released it all yet

[15:49:43]

Dibblah:

Nothing whatsoever to do with the GPU bits :(

[15:49:45]

CaptObviousman:

we have a lot of guys in our company that have to fly to Moscow for weeks at a time

[15:49:48]

CaptObviousman:

hugely expensive

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: A friend of mine, a choreographer, she bought a $750,000 place in Midtown Manhattan because it was cheaper than living in London ;)

[15:49:55]

willcooke:

CaptObviousman, it all depends on what you want to do with it. Just watching TV, and Xbox, or a mac mini, a decent 3 or 4 year old machine would do nicely

[15:50:03]

juski:

and a lot of tourists I've spoken to about their first visits to the UK – they liked the UK but london left them with a bad taste in the mouth

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willcooke:

and/an

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|Torg|:

I saw lofts in london for over 2 mil

[15:50:15]

CaptObviousman:

HDTV

[15:50:15]

juski:

not being a big fan of the place myself I agree

[15:50:19]

|Torg|:

and thats a damn converted wharehouse

[15:50:27]

willcooke:

CaptObviousman, then you need power!

[15:50:31]

CaptObviousman:

yeppers

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Dibblah:

juski: That depends on if you actually want to look people in the face while walking down the street.

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|Torg|:

[15:50:54]

CaptObviousman:

so, does mythtv downgrade signals from 1080i to 720p or would it be better to just record at the higher rate and let the TV do it

[15:51:04]

juski:

|Torg|: I have a friend who lives on a less than celubrious terrace in Walthamstow half a mile from a tube station paid ove quarteer of a million pounds for his flat

[15:51:07]

|Torg|:

Captain_Murdoch depends on your TV

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CaptObviousman:

laugh! There it is again

[15:51:25]

willcooke:

CaptObviousman, I'm not sure, because I don't do HD, but I'd guess min. spec would be 512MB RAM a quick BIG disk and 3Gz or so might hack it

[15:51:31]

Bernard:

I have a problem...

[15:51:40]

Bernard:

I have installed mythweb

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Kazan:

CaptObviousman: HD comes in in mpeg2... mythtv doesn't touch the stream other than to write it to disk and read it from disk

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|Torg|:

myth has a rather hard time upscaling and downscaling, I would let the TV do it if I could

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Bernard:

works, but I get a errore when I go to see the videos..

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|Torg|:

better yet display it on a TV with a resoltuon to what your watching

[15:52:10]

Bernard:

I get: Error

[15:52:10]

Bernard:

Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (mce). Please update your <a href="/mythweb/settings/mythweb">settings</a> to point to the correct location.

[15:52:13]

Dibblah:

Kazan: Actually, it strips unused PIDs from the stream.

[15:52:19]

** Kazan is doing HD on Athlon 2500+, 1GB, Geforce 6200 (XvMC) and with XvMC assistant MPEG2 HD takes around 50% CPU **

[15:52:26]

|Torg|:

I for exmaple have a native 720P tv that I watch at 1080I becae all my HD statiosn are in 1080I

[15:52:34]

Kazan:

Dibblah: i know.. but it effectively does nothing

[15:52:38]

CaptObviousman:

yeah, I have the same thing Torg

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Dibblah:

:)

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|Torg|:

at least I *think* the thiung is 720P native, as I cant find a native spec for it

[15:52:51]

CaptObviousman:

the tv does the downsampling for me, still looks great

[15:53:01]

Kazan:

|Torg|: give me model number

[15:53:09]

** Kazan smacks is contacts as his vision suddenly goes blurry **

[15:53:19]

Kazan:

erg s/is/his

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|Torg|:

one better

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/JVC_HD_61Z575A

[15:53:27]

Kazan:

woo woo

[15:53:42]

Kazan:

61"

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juski:

Kazan: just wait til they change to h.264. muhahahaha. cry!

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Kazan:

i bet that is 1080 native

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|Torg|:

ignore the picture onm it, its juskis ugly theme :P

[15:53:59]

Kazan:

juski: yeah but that will probably be two years from now

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juski:

|Torg|: come on now – you have to narrow it down further than that ;)

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CaptObviousman:

the wiki has discussions on TVs?

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CaptObviousman:

dayum I didn't see that

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Kazan:

by then i'll be able to toss my Athlon 64 x2 4200+ w/ 2GB and RAdeon x1900xt at it

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: so basically you're the only guy on the internet with that tv. :P

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|Torg|:

its a old veriwson of bluetoobe, VERY old like one of the first

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|Torg|:

AndyCap I doubt it , JVC didnt make a TV just for me

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|Torg|:

at least I dont *think* they did

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|Torg|:

cause if they did, im goan rename it :P

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Kazan:

does your TV have a VGA connector?

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: only three hits on google for HD-61Z575A

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Kazan:

plug it in and plug'n'pray scan it

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AndyCap:

:)

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CaptObviousman:

the Torg Special

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|Torg|:

it has DVI, 3 compaosite, 4 compoenent

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CaptObviousman:

Torg ... where have I heard that name before

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Kazan:

DVI pnp

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|Torg|:

EDID is screwed up it osnt even show 1080I

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Kazan:

i bet it won't tell the computer any resolution above it's native

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|Torg|:

its why I think the native res os 720P thats all edid puts out

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AndyCap:

Kazan: some do, some dont

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|Torg|:

oh that and what I refer to as 520P

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|Torg|:

it gives me a non interlaced pan and scan mode of 1920x520

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|Torg|:

its the screwest thign I have ever seen

[15:57:03]

** Kazan wins **

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Kazan:

it's 720

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Kazan:

must be old

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Kazan:

http://dealtime.com/xPO-JVC-HD-61Z575

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|Torg|:

about 5 years, yes

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Kazan:

afk

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|Torg|:

its picture is outstanding, ven in bright light, the only complaint I have is $250-$350 bulbs once a year

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dageshi:

I'm having trouble recording or listening to dvb-t radio in myth, I know the card works with dvb-t radio but myth refuses to play with it, any ideas what it could be?

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willcooke:

dageshi, what version of myth are you running?

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dageshi:

I'm using the version out of the ubuntu repository

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dageshi:

is there a way to get a version line?

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laga:

mythfrontend --version

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willcooke:

mythbackend --version

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willcooke:

what he said

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tjcarter:

mythsideend --version

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tjcarter:

(for completeness)

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willcooke:

:)

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CaptObviousman:

damn, I'm missing my mythsideend binary! Someone help!

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|Torg|:

-bash: mythsideend: command not found

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dageshi:

0.20.20060828–3

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|Torg|:

Captain_Murdoch you need to conpile it from SVN :P

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|Torg|:

dageshi thats old

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dageshi:

ahhh k, probably where my problems are from then presumably

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** CaptObviousman really needs to have a talk with this Murdoch fellow **

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laga:

you can enable the feisty-updates repository to get 0.20.2

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|Torg|:

laga do you use ubuntu?

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laga:

yes

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sxealex:

is anyone capable of helping me for 15 min

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sxealex:

im having a heluva time with my remote

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|Torg|:

using Debian I can extraplate ubu users need to update their sources and do an apt-get

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sxealex:

mceusb

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sxealex:

the black hauppage one

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pHnz is now known as phnzeat

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|Torg|:

however I edit my sourcvs with vi, not a gui like ubu, and I dont know what ubu calls that resource

[16:12:14]

sxealex:

rc6

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laga:

|Torg|: it's called synapcti. i edit my stuff manually, too.

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|Torg|:

so if I tell a uby user to go an apt-get update and apt-get install mythtv, what do they need to do to add a source to it?

[16:12:58]

laga:

synaptic*

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|Torg|:

ok so what source will get them 0.20.2?

[16:13:21]

laga:

feisty-updates

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|Torg|:

is that in there by default?

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laga:

you can just click on it

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|Torg|:

ok thanks

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** Kazan wants to go medieval on the cable industry's butts **

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|Torg|:

Kazan ATSC :P

[16:16:22]

sxealex:

here is a pastebin of a bunch of stuff from my non working remote

[16:16:39]

sxealex:

http://pastebin.com/d628aaed1

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Kazan:

ATSC signal quality where i am sucks

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sxealex:

if anyone can take a look maybe someone had a similar problem

[16:16:57]

Kazan:

plus i actually get more stations over clear QAM

[16:17:04]

Kazan:

i just felt like saying "Go medieval" :P

[16:17:14]

Kazan:

because i am working on replica medieval leather armor

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Kazan:

for Belegarth octoberfest

[16:17:50]

sxealex:

que viking metal

[16:17:57]

Kazan:

i've got to make a brigandine war skirt

[16:18:09]

Kazan:

because i NEVER want to take a nutshot like the one i took on saturday again

[16:18:19]

Kazan:

leather, plastic or metal plate, leather

[16:18:28]

Kazan:

they hit that and it won't hit me :D

[16:18:45]

sxealex:

is no one around for a remote control help

[16:18:50]

sxealex:

im baffled here

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** Kazan takes a look **

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Kazan:

weird

[16:20:25]

juski:

sxealex: 1. does irw report all the buttons on your remote properly?

[16:20:27]

Kazan:

your device is poofing

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Kazan:

juski: look at his pastebin.. he can't irw

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sxealex:

poofing?

[16:21:09]

sxealex:

is a modprobe supposed to have output?

[16:21:14]

CaptObviousman:

poofing is a very technical term that means ... er

[16:21:20]

sxealex:

yea

[16:21:23]

sxealex:

...

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sxealex:

right

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sxealex:

hrmm

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** CaptObviousman looks at the pastebin, but as he's never tried setting up a remote, he's not much help **

[16:24:05]

sxealex:

is the reciever supposed to light up at every button press

[16:24:26]

sxealex:

maybe its defective

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sxealex:

the power button makes it light up

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sxealex:

but the other buttons dont consistently

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juski:

sxealex: maybe try new batteries in the remote?

[16:25:15]

sxealex:

i just bought it

[16:25:23]

sxealex:

ill try other batteries

[16:25:28]

sxealex:

anyway i guess

[16:25:35]

juski:

if you have a digital camera, point the remote at the lens & look at the viewfinder. the LED in the remote should flash for every button

[16:25:44]

sxealex:

good call

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CaptObviousman:

this "could not get file information for /dev/lirc worries me, did you set permissions to 666?

[16:26:37]

cjb:

Hi! I was wondering how plausible 1080i on an Intel GMA950 is. Would it depend on the CPU involved?

[16:26:46]

sxealex:

the remotes working

[16:26:57]

sxealex:

well anyway it cant be the remote

[16:27:03]

sxealex:

cuz irw doesnt work

[16:27:21]

juski:

sxealex: from the pastebin there it seems like lircd isn't staying running

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juski:

so that'd tell me you have a config problem

[16:27:37]

sxealex:

well the configs there

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sxealex:

doesnt it look right?

[16:27:53]

sxealex:

i have all 3 files

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juski:

I'm not sure if DRIVER="" should have something in it or not

[16:28:10]

CaptObviousman:

nothing out of place appeared in the configs

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sxealex:

hardware, lirc-mod..., lircd.conf

[16:28:22]

sxealex:

yea well i switched that a few times

[16:28:25]

CaptObviousman:

did you verify permissions on /dev/lirc

[16:28:26]

sxealex:

trying to get it to work

[16:28:33]

sxealex:

no

[16:28:36]

sxealex:

777?

[16:28:36]

CaptObviousman:

do so

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CaptObviousman:

666, you're not executing the files =P

[16:28:50]

sxealex:

word

[16:28:55]

sxealex:

the number of the beast

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laga:

maybe the device is claimed by another driver.

[16:29:42]

sxealex:

lircd is the only thing in dev

[16:30:09]

laga:

sxealex: lsmod | grep i2c ?

[16:30:36]

sxealex:

im using mceusb

[16:30:58]

sxealex:

at least that what it said i should be using

[16:31:00]

laga:

sxealex: lsmod | grep i2c?

[16:31:06]

sxealex:

?

[16:31:15]

laga:

oh, never mind

[16:31:22]

sxealex:

im doing it hold on

[16:31:29]

CaptObviousman:

laugh

[16:32:16]

sxealex:

yea ther eis nothing there

[16:32:25]

laga:

ok

[16:32:34]

laga:

sometimes, devices are claimed by another driver

[16:32:57]

sxealex:

even if they are on different interfaces?

[16:34:12]

laga:

there are two kernel drivers and one userspace driver for my remote. ;)

[16:34:18]

sxealex:

ps the chmod didnt fix it

[16:34:23]

sxealex:

actually let me restart it

[16:35:29]

sxealex:

arg

[16:36:14]

sxealex:

yea chmod was no help

[16:36:28]

sxealex:

if i start it it says it started correctly

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** sxealex gives up for right now **

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juski:

argghh this damn trojan is getting on my pecs now

[16:44:37]

sxealex:

pecs?

[16:44:41]

sxealex:

like muscles?

[16:44:45]

sxealex:

heh

[16:45:06]

laga:

juski: www.ubuntu.com ?

[16:45:10]

** |Torg| was wondering if juski was talkig about his sex life **

[16:45:21]

juski:

the smtp connections it's attempting to make (but can't since I blocked the port) are hogging this machine's network

[16:45:32]

juski:

I'm gonna have to reinstall :(

[16:45:35]

** sxealex was searching google images for a guy witha condom on his chest **

[16:45:41]

|Torg|:

just use a switch and set the trap host

[16:46:12]

juski:

tried loads of removal tools – none of my AV software can find it. It's services.exe doing the dirty on me. Even replaced it with one from an original cab

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sxealex:

haha windows is teh ghey

[16:46:43]

juski:

found some suspicious registry run keys, squished em.. put the original services.exe back on.. still no joy

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juski:

yeah but I only still run windows because there's no linux software that can compete with what I use here

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|Torg|:

windows, esp cista, is chatty as HELL without a DC

[16:47:32]

|Torg|:

err Vista

[16:47:32]

laga:

there's porn-get ;)

[16:47:50]

sxealex:

if im gonn ause a commercial i use os x

[16:48:05]

juski:

haha well I'm not rich, so i don't own a Mac

[16:48:06]

|Torg|:

laga there is a porn viewer :P

[16:48:07]

|Torg|:

root@boaz:~# apt-cache search porn

[16:48:07]

|Torg|:

pornview – Image and movie viewer/manager

[16:48:12]

sxealex:

u can put it on ur pc now

[16:48:20]

sxealex:

with a little screwing around

[16:48:28]

sxealex:

plus my mac was 400 used

[16:48:36]

sxealex:

:,,,,(

[16:48:39]

juski:

I'm not buying another OS in my life if I can help it

[16:48:47]

sxealex:

fair enough

[16:48:49]

sxealex:

im out 4 nows

[16:48:52]

sxealex:

late

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juski:

wondering though – does linux have an equivalent of 'cleartype' ?

[16:49:12]

|Torg|:

partition the thing and go put on somethign slick and fancy like gentoo or ubu, id personnly go for ubu myslef

[16:49:24]

juski:

got a spare hdd with dapper on it already

[16:49:31]

|Torg|:

its close enough to my debian boxes so I dont have to learn a new linuxest system

[16:49:42]

juski:

stupid thing needs a udev rule clamping on it to sort out the soundcards

[16:50:09]

juski:

the good news is that I no longer need windows for my theme dev work :)

[16:50:24]

juski:

what I've done on the new one I was working on is in Inkscape

[16:50:32]

laga:

juski: dapper is getting a bit old

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|Torg|:

rpm what? yum, waht apt-get? apt-cache? rpm -Uvm? dpkg what?

[16:50:54]

juski:

|Torg|: they all hurt less than emerge -U world

[16:51:50]

|Torg|:

checkconfig? update-rc.d?

[16:51:53]

juski:

I need a better bitmap editor than GIMP too, if I'm ever to be persuaded to switch

[16:52:00]

|Torg|:

hell at least they all have vi

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|Torg|:

alas im stuck with windows becase I want the games, and wine just dosnt work worth a damn

[16:53:22]

juski:

I used to use vi every day to send emails

[16:53:27]

juski:

vi and elm <3

[16:53:39]

|Torg|:

I use vi out of habit, and bc to so simple match

[16:53:58]

|Torg|:

hell I quite Word with :wq and it take a few secs befoer I realise its not vi

[16:54:00]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: hehe me too

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juski:

fall out of the habit & suddenly you find yourself looking for nano

[16:54:16]

|Torg|:

nano is EVIL

[16:54:26]

juski:

nano is fine

[16:54:26]

|Torg|:

so is pico

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juski:

its search & replace could do with being able to handle control chars better though

[16:55:00]

|Torg|:

:g/whatever/s//newstuff/s

[16:55:06]

|Torg|:

thats diffcult?

[16:55:46]

|Torg|:

I can open a sql dump, edit 50 lines, and reup the new rows in a few easy comamnds

[16:55:47]

juski:

my regex-fu is weak

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|Torg|:

and you think mine is good? hell abotu all I know is ., * ^ and $

[16:56:26]

|Torg|:

just becase I can create a macro in vi dosnt make me a unix god

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juski:

ok then. every regex I do I have to look up in my perl book or on the net

[16:57:40]

juski:

I can never remember anything I do

[16:57:56]

laga:

true

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|Torg|:

very php I do I have to look up on phpbuilder

[16:58:04]

|Torg|:

I PEAR just about everytjing

[16:58:06]

** laga pats his copy of "linux in a nutshell" **

[16:58:10]

|Torg|:

nearly every perl I have to go lookup

[16:58:15]

|Torg|:

I CPAN everything

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|Torg|:

thats what the Internet was made for :P

[16:58:41]

juski:

a lot of the perl docs aren't made for human beings

[16:58:55]

|Torg|:

laga the horse book?

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laga:

|Torg|: yes

[16:59:44]

|Torg|:

mines on the top shel of my bookcase, havnt opend it in years

[16:59:48]

|Torg|:

maybe I should

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|Torg|:

juski kowing here to go find the answer is just as good as kowing it yourself

[17:00:46]

|Torg|:

nobody can know everything

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|Torg|:

laga while on on the ditch windows for ubu bandwagaon, whats current 7.04?

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zeroaphex:

hello all when I rpm --import http://ATrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms

[17:04:11]

zeroaphex:

I just get a useage msg, anyone know why?

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laga:

|Torg|: feisty is 7.04, gutsy is 7.10 and will be released next month

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|Torg|:

get gutsy then? amd64 any better/wose then x86 givn that most of th stuff I know is x86

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zeroaphex:

anyone use fedora/

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bsdfox_:

torg: my mythtv box ia amd64.. works fine

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bsdfox_:

anyone use a wintv go card? I can't get the audio working on either of my bt878 devices

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|Torg|:

bsdfox_ sorry not I

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Kazan:

who said something about viking metal earlier?

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Plugh:

Since an svn up a few days ago, mythtv is not able to connect to the backend server.

[17:32:28]

|Torg|:

Plugh can you be a bit more decriptive please

[17:32:59]

Plugh:

|Torg|: I was getting there. :-)

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Kazan:

make sure to make clean and rebuild everything

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Plugh:

I have 'mythbackend -d' running. When I start mythtv, I get a blue screen with the title "Select Default Myth Backend Server:" with the only choice in the list being "Do Not Connect To Mythbackend"

[17:34:36]

Plugh:

Buttons at the bottom say Search, Cancel, or OK.

[17:35:19]

|Torg|:

these are two seperate systems?

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Plugh:

|Torg|: back/front ends are run on the same machien.

[17:35:48]

|Torg|:

is mysql running?

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Plugh:

and its the same machine for the MySQL database.

[17:36:03]

Plugh:

yes, its running.

[17:36:09]

Plugh:

Kazan: I'll try that.

[17:36:13]

Patina:

bsdfox_: Doesen't work for me neither. Have you tried this page? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-Go

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|Torg|:

did you setup mysql.txt with proper credentials?

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Plugh:

|Torg|: I've been using MythTV for some months now. Everything was running fine until a couple of days ago.

[17:37:54]

|Torg|:

well first off -d is default, secondly the first thing the frontend does is connect to mysql to get its settings which it apears it did not do, third you ahve not provided any log information that would probbly tell you you are missing some library or it can not connect to the database for some reason

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jams:

Plugh- your not the first to have this happen. There is a nice thread on the mailing lists about it

[17:41:17]

jams:

it has to do with the new upnp detection code

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directhex:

i still want to hear from people on 64-bit backends r.e. upnp problems :(

[17:42:59]

DustyBin:

what the hell is this

[17:43:01]

DustyBin:

http://imedialinux.com/imedia_mythtv

[17:43:19]

Plugh:

jams: The users mailing list?

[17:43:52]

jams:

yes

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jams:

DustyBin- thats been around for awhile

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|Torg|:

Plugh you are aware you dont HAVE to use upnp, right?

[17:44:15]

jams:

alhtough i don't know anybody that uses it

[17:44:39]

Plugh:

jams: ok, thanks. I've pulled up the mailing list archives. I'll do a search to track down the information.

[17:44:52]

jams:

Plugh- looks like the dev list, my bad

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Plugh:

jams: :-)

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Plugh:

|Torg|: I didn't know it is currently using upnp

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Plugh:

This sounds like a promising message thread..."Backend AutoDiscovery"

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|Torg|:

yes just tell it where the backend is, youll need a mysql.txt file and one settings to point it at the BE

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|Torg|:

you dont need to autodiscover anything

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defaultro:

hey folks, where can I download a wiki software?

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|Torg|:

what do you want to use the wiki for?

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defaultro:

anything our friends wants to talk about :)

[17:50:34]

defaultro:

like wood working tips :)

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|Torg|:

do you have any wiki you have seen that you like?

[17:50:54]

Kazan:

armor making :P

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directhex:

try mediawiki.org?

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Kazan:

armor making wiki :P

[17:51:02]

defaultro:

wiki in mythtv is fine with me

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willcooke:

http://www.freewiki.info/

[17:51:12]

defaultro:

cool guys

[17:51:14]

Plugh:

defaultro: There are many wiki programs around. You need to define what you need it for first before you can pick one.

[17:51:14]

defaultro:

looking

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|Torg|:

mediawiki, docuwiki, freewiki there area ALLOT

[17:51:20]

defaultro:

oh

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directhex:

wikipedia uses mediawiki

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|Torg|:

I setup docuwiki mostly for my org to maintina documents between them, as in writing SOP

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Plugh:

I use dokuwiki because I am more interested in creating documentation.

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defaultro:

our topic will be really broad. It can be our events, it can be our wood working tips, our pvrs, etc

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|Torg|:

almos every wiki I have seen has a small area at the bottom telling you what software they use, look for an about tab

[17:52:30]

defaultro:

then we also want to have a forum where we can post question like avsforum.com/avs-vb

[17:52:40]

defaultro:

k

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Plugh:

There is also a good web page (don't remember where right now) that compared most of the common/popular wiki programs.

[17:52:55]

defaultro:

ok

[17:53:18]

Plugh:

ah.

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|Torg|:

wiki.mythtv.org is mediawiki as well, its probbly the most popular

[17:53:26]

defaultro:

gotcha

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Plugh:

defaultro: www.wikimatrix.org (IIRC)

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|Torg|:

http://www.wikimatrix.org/

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defaultro:

we can add topics for capentry right?

[17:53:59]

|Torg|:

you add a topic ina wiki by creating a link for it

[17:54:03]

defaultro:

k

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directhex:

mediawiki's the easiest to get started with IME

[17:54:15]

defaultro:

oh no, that's tons of wikis :D

[17:54:24]

directhex:

the requirements are heavy, but if you have them in place (as is the case with most active web hosts) it's very very easy to install

[17:54:30]

|Torg|:

thats all you do, then go click the link and it wil bring you to a "this page does not exist. click here to edit it" or similar

[17:54:35]

bsdfox_:

Patina: yes I have tried all those pages. can't even get my sound working with a patch cable

[17:55:00]

bsdfox_:

really frustrating cause my pvr500's coax connector broke again :(

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|Torg|:

do you want to run this on linux? windows? have in in php, asp, perl, c, c++?

[17:56:12]

directhex:

asp.net!

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defaultro:

in php

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|Torg|:

connect it to mysql, oracle, sql lite, bdb, ms sql?

[17:56:31]

defaultro:

and be it on linux, *bsd, i'm fine

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defaultro:

mysql is fine

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|Torg|:

gpl, gpl2, bsd license?

[17:57:11]

defaultro:

since it's just for our smal group, which license is good?

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bsdfox_:

doesn;t matter :P

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defaultro:

i'm not familiar with them

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defaultro:

i always just download :P

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|Torg|:

do you plan on editing it for your own use or do you just want to add content?

[17:57:51]

|Torg|:

if the former you probbly want a bsd license if the latter it really dosnt matter

[17:57:54]

defaultro:

just our topic and not modify the code

[17:58:05]

defaultro:

yeah, latter

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directhex:

The following 15 Wikis match your search criteria:

[17:58:32]

defaultro:

cool :)

[17:58:43]

|Torg|:

phpwiki or mediawiki are probbly ok

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directhex:

bitweaver, DekiWiki, ErfurtWiki, MediaWiki, Midgard Wiki, miniWiki, PhpWiki, PmWiki, TikiWiki, UniWakka, WackoWiki, Wiclear, WikiNi, WikkaWiki and WikyBlog

[17:58:59]

directhex:

mediawiki's by far the more common of those

[17:59:01]

defaultro:

who is directhex?

[17:59:10]

directhex:

directhex is directhex

[17:59:13]

defaultro:

is he our bot?

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|Torg|:

hes the bot that logs the channel :P

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defaultro:

sweet

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directhex:

yep. i keep failing my turing test

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defaultro:

lol

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directhex:

got another one coming up next week. damn the admin fee though :(

[17:59:49]

defaultro:

a bot that can response

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Patina:

bsdfox_: Works fine with a cable to line in on my sound card. Is the volume turned up?

[18:00:21]

defaultro:

bsdfox, captur and aplay, and alsamixer, play with them

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bsdfox_:

yes

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defaultro:

make sure wires are in correct locations

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defaultro:

AUX, CD,etc

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defaultro:

put wire to CD and play, then check sound

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defaultro:

check .asoundrc

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bsdfox_:

I've got it going from the line-out on the bt878 to the line-in on my mobo

[18:01:09]

defaultro:

or aplay english.au

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bsdfox_:

captur?

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defaultro:

that's in mixer

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bsdfox_:

volume is up on everything

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kslater:

anyone here who can speak to unichrome vs openchrome x11 drivers?

[18:07:57]

defaultro:

asoundrc might be misconfigured

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IamEthos:

is there any particularly ba distribution for running myth?

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|Torg|:

ba?

[18:09:26]

|Torg|:

bad you mean?

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IamEthos:

bad ass

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|Torg|:

thats someones optionion

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|Torg|:

and it will very WIDLY here :)

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Tapout:

I've got an MCE remote, but my IR Blaster won't fire.. anyone know why? I selected com1, and then com2 on the irblaster but it won't shoot...

[18:09:58]

defaultro:

it depends on the person that sets up the distro

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IamEthos:

|Torg|, sure. But what I'm wondering is if there are any distros tailored for running Myth?

[18:10:13]

|Torg|:

just linux

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IamEthos:

for example, any distro can run on a server, but some are just better at it, and others still are actually designed for it

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|Torg|:

at a very simply point all a disto is made of is a custom built kernel and drivers with some package handler overlay

[18:11:32]

|Torg|:

my opinion is use Debian over Ubuuntu, mostly as Debina is a server, Ubu a desktop

[18:11:49]

|Torg|:

now as soon as I say that there are about 15 people here that can give yo a differnt perpective

[18:12:15]

|Torg|:

I am tainted against RedHat and its ilk, that would be fedora

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bsdfox_:

defaultro: aplay works fine.

[18:12:22]

directhex:

i'd suggest you run the same distro as much as possible across all your machines

[18:12:46]

directhex:

so i'd personally run ubuntu on 1 slightly inappropriate machine (a server) rather than debian across 4 inappropriate machines (desktops)

[18:12:54]

|Torg|:

but all of this is my opinion, like directhex said pick one and stick to it

[18:13:12]

directhex:

as long as you don't pick something crappy like fedora or suse, |Torg| is right ;)

[18:13:17]

bsdfox_:

just run gentoo so you can keep current :P

[18:13:27]

|Torg|:

I run 3 debian boxes, so its mostly my prefernce

[18:13:32]

directhex:

bsdfox_, there are weekly packages of mythtv trunk for ubuntu

[18:14:11]

|Torg|:

whers laga, im sure hell tell you the superiority of ubu over debian

[18:14:20]

directhex:

or 0.20-fixes if you prefer

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IamEthos:

well, I've been running Arch, which I love for my desktops

[18:14:58]

|Torg|:

if you dont want to mess with it, get knoppmyth

[18:15:10]

bsdfox_:

don't run knoppmyth

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directhex:

in the end, part of the value comes from the support available

[18:15:24]

IamEthos:

but I didn't know if there was something out there with other customized packages that work well

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|Torg|:

see, I told you someone would have a differnt opinoin :P

[18:15:27]

bsdfox_:

crappy distro :P

[18:15:36]

directhex:

you could run myth on anything, but it helps to run something lots of other people do too, as they can help with problems

[18:15:43]

bsdfox_:

arch can compile from source easily

[18:15:47]

directhex:

direct access to the maintainers also help

[18:16:03]

CaptObviousman:

is slackware a common base for myth?

[18:16:07]

jams:

oh bsdfox_ your an archlinux person?

[18:16:08]

directhex:

not AFAIK

[18:16:11]

bsdfox_:

myth works great on gentoo for me but I've been using linux for a long time

[18:16:14]

IamEthos:

alright, one more question: what does everyone recommend for a DE on a mythbox?

[18:16:18]

directhex:

does slackware have a real kernel yet?

[18:16:25]

directhex:

IamEthos, DE?

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|Torg|:

ubu is very popular but I do not like the extra desktop stuff

[18:16:27]

IamEthos:

I've been debating the DE/WM issue for a while

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directhex:

|Torg|, so skip the desktop stuff

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CaptObviousman:

directhex: uhh, what on earth are you talking about. We all use the same kernel sources

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|Torg|:

ok directhex but I PREFER Debian and know how to use it

[18:16:50]

directhex:

IamEthos, openbox or xfwm4 are used by many distros

[18:17:11]

bsdfox_:

IamEthos: fluxbox?

[18:17:22]

|Torg|:

besiudes my boxes work, I compile svn on it, I know what packages are there and what hardware. Familairty being probbly the most key issue

[18:17:23]

GreyFoxx:

directhex: define "real kernel"

[18:17:25]

IamEthos:

so you think it would generally be better to go with one of those than something like Gnome or KDE?

[18:17:35]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, 2.6.x

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|Torg|:

you dont HAVE to use a DM or WM

[18:17:42]

bsdfox_:

jams: I've used arch one time for a week on a crappy laptop over a year ago :P

[18:17:43]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, and the answer is "yes, in slack 12.0"

[18:17:45]

GreyFoxx:

directhex: It's had it for years/several versions

[18:17:47]

IamEthos:

|Torg|, I didn't think so

[18:17:52]

GreyFoxx:

It's just been up to the user to pick it

[18:18:00]

GreyFoxx:

but yeah in 12.0 the default is 2.6.21.5

[18:18:05]

IamEthos:

it seems like it'd be nice to have at least a WM

[18:18:12]

IamEthos:

maybe I'll try with just X

[18:18:16]

|Torg|:

mostly for focus, then again I use virtual consoles

[18:18:19]

directhex:

a WM fill fix focus issues if you don't use Internal for everything

[18:19:07]

CaptObviousman:

so, before 12.0 Slackware wasn't using a "real kernel" eh?

[18:19:15]

** CaptObviousman is still waiting for an explanation on that one **

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directhex:

i'd say 2.4 has been broadly obsolete for a number of years, yes

[18:19:27]

Plugh:

|Torg|, jams: Thanks for the help. I have a better idea what the problem is now. The backend does connect to the database, I've set its PIN to 0000, but it hasn't helped yet. Yes, I do have a mysql.txt file in ~/.mythtv.

[18:19:36]

bsdfox_:

slackware always ran a vanilla kernel afaik

[18:19:40]

|Torg|:

well if you didnt download it from kernel.org, compile and install the modules, its not REAL :)

[18:19:41]

CaptObviousman:

Slack's been coming packaged with 2.6 for years

[18:19:53]

CaptObviousman:

it's just a matter of what you want to use

[18:20:06]

CaptObviousman:

if you mean "we hold the user's hand into 2.6" then, sure, we didn't have a "real kernel"

[18:20:20]

Tapout:

anyone got a media center remote working with an external stb? I can't get the irblaster to fire

[18:20:22]

bsdfox_:

defensive eh

[18:20:34]

directhex:

so "we're ass-backwards for the hell of it" is better? wheeee!

[18:20:36]

jams:

Plugh- ok, fraid I can't help much more as I have been avoiding updating for that very reason.

[18:20:54]

CaptObviousman:

I didn't start this, directhex did

[18:20:55]

|Torg|:

directhex I have a problem with Ubu and writing the CD can you help me?

[18:20:58]

GreyFoxx:

directhex: the 2.6 kernel set has been notiriously flaky since development happens in that tree

[18:21:03]

directhex:

|Torg|, anything specific?

[18:21:06]

|Torg|:

I cant find my perminant marker :P

[18:21:08]

GreyFoxx:

slackware has always gone for the tested and stable

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Plugh:

jams: :-)

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** CaptObviousman invites directhex into the ##slackware channel so he can shoot his mouth off there instead **

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|Torg|:

no really I wnted to know how well TwinView works before I install this

[18:21:50]

directhex:

CaptObviousman, no, i don't think joining a channel specifically to get kickbanned is really worth my time

[18:21:58]

Plugh:

jams: I'm reading a thread title "Autodiscovery Patch for MythFrontend. I'll see if that provides anything more useful.

[18:22:42]

jams:

GreyFoxx- did i show you the smolt server, that goes along with the hardware plugin I was working on?

[18:22:51]

|Torg|:

so directhex do you or anyone you know run multiple montiros on ubu?

[18:22:56]

GreyFoxx:

jams: I don't think so

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|Torg|:

spcificlly 3x dvi out of two 7900GS cards

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directhex:

|Torg|, i don't personally. why, any specific issue?

[18:23:15]

Tapout:

Sigh, when I try and change a channel and hit "ok" on my remote while i'm in the guide, i get OPTIONS instead of tuning into the damn show

[18:23:25]

|Torg|:

nope, just wanted to know before I did this

[18:23:39]

directhex:

|Torg|, will be setting up a 4-monitor box at work in a fortnight or so

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directhex:

|Torg|, 4x 20" widescreen

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xamindar:

anyone have experience with mouse usage in mythtv?

[18:24:29]

bsdfox_:

|Torg|: that should work fine with the nvidia driver

[18:24:33]

directhex:

xamindar, yeah. there isn't any

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|Torg|:

thats what im thinking, im moving arround partitiosn now to accomdate it

[18:24:53]

bsdfox_:

also, xorg 7.3 will actually allow you to change which monitor is associated with which screen :D

[18:25:12]

jams:

GreyFoxx- http://hardware.mythvantage.com/

[18:25:15]

Tapout:

HOW DO YOU CHANGE THE CHANNEL INSIDE THE GUIDE .. everytime I click on a channel, i get "recording options" instead of changing the channel...

[18:25:20]

Tapout:

MythDora

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xamindar:

directhex, well it works in most the menus but stops once i go into the video or music sections. very annoyint

[18:25:23]

directhex:

Tapout, hit M

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bsdfox_:

Tapout: hit m

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xamindar:

im trying to use myth with a touchscreen

[18:25:40]

jams:

GreyFoxx- still have things todo with it, but the basics are working

[18:26:03]

Plugh:

Ah. Just found this in the frontend patch thread --> "The security pin is a setting in the database. Currently, there is no easy way to set it. You must modify/add the record to the settings table manually."

[18:26:05]

juski:

Tapout: there's an option to change the default 'select' button behaviour in the EPG

[18:26:25]

juski:

Tapout: it's in the program guide settings page in mythfrontend

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Plugh:

It then gives a SQL command. Checking my mythtv database indicates I don't have an entry for that setting.

[18:26:56]

Tapout:

juski, my problem is .,. I used this damn MythDora and am missing 90% of the settings I should know about ;) Probably should have installed seperately.. thanks guys

[18:27:00]

Tapout:

thanks guys ;)

[18:27:13]

juski:

Tapout: even mythdora should have the setting

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jams:

Tapout- they removed settings from mythdora?

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juski:

if they removed the setting from mythdora somebody should have some _very_ strong words

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juski:

not that I expect they did do that

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juski:

utils/setup > setup > TV settings > program guide

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jams:

pretty sure they didn't. it's my understanding that Dennis doesn't code and I know jarod would remove it

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Yahooadam:

"Media Defender emails leak onto the Internet"

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Yahooadam:

zomg

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam thats old

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Tapout:

I just didn't see the settings .. :)

[18:29:35]

juski:

media defender? wth?

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Yahooadam:

700mb of emails, wow – just wow

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|Torg|:

MPAAs idea of a fhoneypot

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Tapout:

media defender = riaa/mpaa entrapment site ...

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juski:

ah

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Yahooadam:

its not a site, its a company

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Yahooadam:

they did make a site to entrap people though

[18:30:20]

Tapout:

but it's relating to a site, read the torrent

[18:30:41]

juski:

hmm I need to make my script test to see if it's already downloaded an image file

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juski:

that done I can start work making the mysql-fu happen

[18:31:32]

juski:

... on the sacrificial database.. muahahaha

[18:32:06]

Tapout:

is there a setting to control how long mythtv will pause for? I know in media center it used to be like 1 hour default, you could get it to 2 hours...

[18:32:14]

Tapout:

or is it unlimited?

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|Torg|:

insert, update, select and delete :P

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delmar:

hey everyone. when I fire up mythtv front end and select 'watch tv' it always defaults to a channel on the analog card. channel up/down only shows the channels on that card. to switch to a channel on the dvb card i gotta manually enter the channel num/id .. then the channel up/down does the same on that card.. up/down will only show DVB card channels....

[18:32:23]

juski:

Tapout: no limit

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juski:

Tapout: though mythtv has a sleep timer

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Yahooadam:

tapout, as far as ive seen in MCE its unlimited

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Yahooadam:

except when the screensaver turns on >_<

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delmar:

that aside, I would prefer when I hit 'watch tv' that it starts on a channel on the DVB card.. how do I cause the priority to change?

[18:32:52]

juski:

does MCE have a setting to tell it how much to suck?

[18:33:03]

Yahooadam:

no its default to medium-high

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Tapout:

Yahooadam, mc 2005 .. you can use software that uncaps it to 2 hours from the guys get "thegreenbuttom.com" but even still it bugs me

[18:33:34]

juski:

I find it hilarious that it stores all its guff in the registry

[18:33:39]

Tapout:

i dunno about the media center vista

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juski:

the single most inefficient database in the world

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Yahooadam:

and mythtv stores it in a SQL database ....

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Tapout:

they do have media center vista out now, so maybe it's different

[18:34:01]

Yahooadam:

also juski, it doesnt store everything in the registry

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juski:

and they still can't ferking spell CENTRE

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juski:

damn retards

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Yahooadam:

i believe listings and recordings are stored in a file somewhere

[18:34:31]

Yahooadam:

but settings and stuff go in teh registry

[18:34:55]

Tapout:

juski, what about this.. lets say .. 12:30 I pause the tv... it buffers until 1:30 .. if I want to permanently record the stuff I've got paused, is mythtv smart enough to grab it? Or .. lets say i'm on a channel for 2 hours.. and I forgot to record something.. can mythtv go back thru "if channel exists and is in buffer" and permanently record that stuff?

[18:35:00]

juski:

everytime I see 'center' it tends to make me look the other way. prolly why mythcenter (sic) isn't even close to being in my top 10 fave themes

[18:35:16]

Tapout:

Most of the settings are stored in like %APPDATA%\Microsoft\eHome

[18:35:20]

Tapout:

something like that

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juski:

Tapout: mythtv will keep it as long as it's paused, and forever (til it gets expired) if you press 'record', but only for the duration of the show

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juski:

everything goes by show boundary times

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Yahooadam:

tapout, one of the most annoying things in MCE is, if you pause, then it starts recording, it looses the pause

[18:36:23]

Tapout:

but it has the xml for recordings/guide and a few other settings.. if you wanna tweak mce you gotta go into the registry

[18:36:27]

juski:

if there's no guide data, it records in half hour or 60 minute chunks

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Tapout:

Yahooadam, YES.. so annoying, and the "beep beep beep, small tv window with it showing it recording" .. sometimes

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Tapout:

if you leave it on for like 1 month it'll start beeping when you go to record and always "zoom out" .. into options

[18:37:14]

juski:

I think it's hilarious how that little preview window makes the UI animation slow to a judder

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juski:

even ona system with a 3ghz cpu

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Yahooadam:

on mythtv ?

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juski:

no on MCE

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Yahooadam:

theres an option for a preview window ? :o

[18:38:18]

Tapout:

Ok guys, got another question.. is there a way to say "if paused, and long enough to cause burn in, show screen saver" ?

[18:38:20]

juski:

1st time I saw MCE in action I was very impressed for the first minute or so. The zoomfade etc, and the way the menu items move is quite nice

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juski:

Tapout: nope

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juski:

you leave an image on your TV for that long – you're stupid & must pay for a new tv

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Yahooadam:

wow thats silly :o

[18:38:42]

Tapout:

my LCD burnt in a bit

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Yahooadam:

even MCE goes into screensaver after a while

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Yahooadam:

juski, zoom and stuff, all gimmiks

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juski:

but the longer I spent playing with MCE, the more unimpressed I became – i.e. I started to see beyond the bling of the UI

[18:39:24]

Yahooadam:

but MCE is actually quite nice IMO

[18:39:43]

Tapout:

MCE is 'decent' but they gotta work out the bugs

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juski:

Yahooadam: if you want mythtv to go into a screensaver during pause mode – if it doesn't already – I mean it might do for all I know since i never use livetv – easy to change it

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Yahooadam:

ofc i finally found some good skins for mythtv, so i think that probably overtakes MCE now

[18:40:07]

juski:

mythtv doesn't have 'skins'

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juski:

they're THEMES

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Yahooadam:

themes, skins, same difference

[18:40:20]

juski:

no

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juski:

skins are what lame-ass 13 year olds make for winamp

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CaptObviousman:

Xscreensaver runs independently of your wm or myth programs

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Tapout:

the biggest complaint about MCE is you can't setup recording priorities. If I record something from 6:05 to 7:05, the damn machine should know I wanna record something from 7:05–8 if i want. So many shows are starting to move their times by 5 minutes and it breaks recording

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Yahooadam:

tapout – please dont start on MCE bugs :p

[18:41:31]

juski:

actually I'm still waiting for the big mythtv theme explosion where it becomes impossible to find a nice theme among millions of duff, really lame ugly themes

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|Torg|:

juski makes nice skins :)

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Yahooadam:

ive been using it for about a year, i know all the bugs i think, and its freeking annoying :p

[18:41:51]

Tapout:

Yahooadam, i hope I can do that with MythTV tho

[18:42:01]

CaptObviousman:

or does mythtv somehow interrupt xscreensaver's operation?

[18:42:06]

juski:

from what I've seen it's harder to make a winamp skin than a mythtv theme, so keep your fingers crossed :)

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|Torg|:

the only "bug" i know is it takes so damn long to switch inputs

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juski:

CaptObviousman: mythtv turns off the screensaver and the X monitor power doodah during playback – but I've no idea if it re-enables it during pause

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Yahooadam:

if you pause a program, and the screensaver comes on, it unpauses, but the screensaver stays on

[18:42:52]

Yahooadam:

thats one of my favorites

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juski:

would be a pretty simple change to make myth release the screensaver during pause if it doesn't already

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Yahooadam:

you can only have 1 TV source (analogue, DVB, terrestrail, cable, sky)

[18:43:39]

juski:

Yahooadam: we know. why else do you think we use mythtv in the 1st place?

[18:44:29]

Yahooadam:

anyway, we could list MCE bugs all day, but theres not much point

[18:44:43]

juski:

I mean I only intended using one dvb tuner originally, and I only ended up trying linux cos my lr6650 tuner wouldn't work for love nor money in windows for more than 5 minutes at a time. I wasted _three_ _weeks_ peeing about with drivers & gash

[18:45:22]

juski:

and then when I tried linux, it was gentoo on a 2.6.9 kernel which needed a patch to support my tuner.. oh man was that ever a steep learning curve

[18:45:32]

juski:

there was swearing. oh boy

[18:45:47]

directhex:

my first myth box needed a patch from some german mailing list to see the IDE controller

[18:46:03]

Yahooadam:

mythtv still needs work, especially the frontend (IMO) but its actually a good project

[18:46:25]

directhex:

Yahooadam, the bling has been left to stagnate a bit

[18:46:33]

juski:

above all else mythtv needs more users who DO more than they SAY

[18:46:57]

bsdfox_:

anyone repaired a coax input on a hauppauge card? I can't get anything to take solder

[18:46:57]

|Torg|:

yea speaking of bling, whers the littel animated devil with the juski quips :P

[18:46:59]

jams:

there is a lot of talk only hanging about

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juski:

and more users who STFU about what 'mythtv needs'

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directhex:

juski, hey, i'm a contributor damnit!

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Yahooadam:

bsdfox_

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juski:

I think every open source project needs more contributors though

[18:47:44]

Yahooadam:

commercial stuff comes with different solder, u probably need to heat it for a while to get it to melt

[18:47:47]

juski:

and less users who 'want stuff'

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bsdfox_:

Yahooadam: :\ my soldering iron sucks

[18:48:38]

jams:

shouldn't have bought that coldheat soldering iron

[18:48:45]

directhex:

juski, i want some cake. and a pony!

[18:49:02]

|Torg|:

and I still want my mythcoffee plugin

[18:49:10]

bsdfox_:

it's just a crappy old weller

[18:49:15]

juski:

aww the forum where I vented my anger about "£^&*^&£*"^&*** donkey-****ing stupid b***** linux not working right is too old to be in their archive

[18:49:26]

juski:

it would make for funny reading now

[18:49:46]

|Torg|:

my myfftevee crashes

[18:50:17]

juski:

I wrestled with 'l is not a number' from patch -pl < patchy.patch for a good 30 hours or so

[18:50:17]

|Torg|:

whats the error "your too stupid to run a computer" mean?

[18:50:38]

juski:

I was like YEAH I know L is not a number, you stupid...

[18:50:54]

directhex:

juski, well duh, as if a gentoo user would understand about source code

[18:51:10]

|Torg|:

its patch -p1 -F99 < patch and let it stomp on whatever the hell it pleases :P

[18:51:43]

juski:

noob post... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

[18:52:28]

Yahooadam:

juski, not everyone is cut out to be, or wants to be a coder, and just because its OSS doesnt mean you have to program for it

[18:52:44]

juski:

Yahooadam: bah

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juski:

but that doesn't mean that just because people can't they should stay unable to!

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|Torg|:

some of know just enough about code to bitch about it constantly :P

[18:53:22]

directhex:

there's more to contributing than writing code

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Yahooadam:

its always nice to be able to, but saying people aren't allowed to comment because they don't program it, is just sad

[18:53:29]

juski:

I can't code really, but that hasn't stopped me adding my own teeny few lines

[18:53:35]

directhex:

|Torg|, you SEEn the mythui code? ick! O_o

[18:53:47]

juski:

Yahooadam: sad, cancerous, whatever. that's how i feel

[18:53:57]

CaptObviousman:

in need of refactoring, is it?

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tjcarter:

I've seen mythui code.

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juski:

and as somebody who's seen the comments from users about my work I feel that people who haven't lifted a frickin finger towards anything have NO right to reply

[18:54:27]

tjcarter:

I can't READ it, but I've seen it.

[18:54:32]

Yahooadam:

what you want is for mythtv to be very easy, and user friendly, the more people who use it, the more drive it gets (and more support too)

[18:54:41]

directhex:

in need of attacking with a scalpel. i looked at adding eye candy stuff, but it's so jury-rigged i gave up

[18:54:41]

juski:

Yahooadam: WHY?

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juski:

I don't get all of this handy-holdy for everybody crap

[18:55:14]

Yahooadam:

because not everyone understands, or wants to understand how to use a computer

[18:55:20]

juski:

nnnnnnggggggggggg!

[18:55:23]

CaptObviousman:

mythtv is probably not for them

[18:55:24]

|Torg|:

whats a computer?

[18:55:26]

Yahooadam:

i was helping somone yesterday and they couldnt even use itunes ffs

[18:55:26]

juski:

then they should get cleverer!

[18:55:37]

Plugh:

I only started using mythtv since no other program worked with my tv tuner card. Having found its ability to record stuff for me I've come to depend on it. :-)

[18:55:43]

directhex:

juski, your flaw is mixing the ignorant with the stupid

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CaptObviousman:

there are plenty of set-top appliances for non-computer folks to use

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directhex:

ignorance is curable. stupidity isn't

[18:55:52]

tjcarter:

juski: actually, the reason why I want handy-holdy is because handy-holdy things tend to be set-and-forget setups

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|Torg|:

do you know how many times I wanted to ask "Do you still have box that computer came in?"

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Yahooadam:

lol

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juski:

we need more clever people, or else if everything becomes too easy for everybody nobody will bother to innovate

[18:56:29]

Yahooadam:

people will allways innovate if theres the oppertunity

[18:56:31]

tjcarter:

juski: I don't want to think about whether or not my TV shows are being recorded, if I'm behind on my software updates, etc.

[18:56:32]

directhex:

juski, you DO know homo sapiens is dying out, right? homo stultus is the dominant species on the planet

[18:56:32]

AndyCap:

the holodeck will be mankind's last invention.

[18:57:01]

CaptObviousman:

homo stultus, wazzat

[18:57:01]

juski:

I remember thinking how damn frustrating linux was when I first started out. But my determination to beat my dumbness has led to some nice things

[18:57:06]

Yahooadam:

AndyCap, cos there will be no more children when there is no need for real women :p

[18:57:12]

|Torg|:

Voltaire I beliuve

[18:57:35]

juski:

if you give all the stupid people everything on a plate, they'll just come along with even more stupid people

[18:57:52]

|Torg|:

directhex is usign us edumacation

[18:58:00]

CaptObviousman:

bleah

[18:58:14]

CaptObviousman:

we all know there are some pretty silly/ignorant users out there

[18:58:32]

directhex:

|Torg|, it appears it is indeed voltaire. i just remembered some high school latin

[18:58:36]

juski:

hell in that thread I posted a link to my problem was that I'd deleted some files in the mysql dir ffs.

[18:58:44]

juski:

mnnnnnnng!

[18:58:46]

directhex:

wasn't aware of voltaire

[18:58:51]

Yahooadam:

Everyone uses windows right, and look what that has lead to, development for just windows

[18:58:51]

Yahooadam:

and everyone else is fighting an uphill battle

[18:58:53]

directhex:

or his involvement anyway

[18:58:56]

|Torg|:

shh you coula passed it off :P

[18:59:25]

** CaptObviousman enjoys that Linux requires skill and knowledge to gain success **

[18:59:35]

** juski agrees with CaptObviousman **

[18:59:35]

CaptObviousman:

I'd never change that for anything

[18:59:52]

CaptObviousman:

now I'm not saying we make it arbitrarily difficult for users

[18:59:54]

juski:

but at the same time it's nice that the entry point is gradually lowering

[18:59:56]

|Torg|:

where do I download mythtv.msi?

[18:59:58]

GreyFoxx:

Capti: Me too

[19:00:11]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: gnutella

[19:00:23]

CaptObviousman:

but yes, the gradual decline of required knowledge goes a long way to making mythtv more popular

[19:00:24]

Yahooadam:

" I think gentoo's portage tree is all to hell where myth is concerned."

[19:00:24]

Yahooadam:

lol, blame gentoo for fucking around with shit you dont understand

[19:00:25]

tjcarter:

juski: My ideal is actually a very smart installation somewhat like KnoppMyth, without any expectation that the machine installed to is intended to provide any functions beyond MythTV. This may not satisfy everyone, but for those who want to plug it in, turn it on, tell it where they live, and use it, it's perfect.

[19:00:41]

CaptObviousman:

and really, what true computer nerd in the position to appreciate mythtv hasn't already heard of it?

[19:00:57]

CaptObviousman:

that's the key there. People in the F/OSS world know (hey, if you want to do TV stuff, go to mythtv)

[19:01:00]

tjcarter:

More technical users can have more technical setups

[19:01:04]

Yahooadam:

thats exactly what we need tjcarter

[19:01:11]

|Torg|:

CaptObviousman actaly if you want to impress a nerd tell them you have a mythtv setup

[19:01:17]

tjcarter:

Yahooadam: Interested in working on the project?

[19:01:34]

|Torg|:

yes tjcarter what I really want is a mythtv-setup with no X needed

[19:01:36]

tjcarter:

Yahooadam: there is SOME coding involved to do it right.

[19:01:37]

Plugh:

|Torg|: That isn't as impressive a feat as it used to be.

[19:01:41]

Yahooadam:

if u tell me how to develop for linux, i might indeed help out :)

[19:01:43]

|Torg|:

I want it all in xml files, using vi to edit the inptus

[19:01:46]

juski:

Plugh: true

[19:01:50]

|Torg|:

im just about at the point where i do stright sql now

[19:01:51]

tjcarter:

|Torg|: That would be about half the coding needed. =D

[19:02:00]

tjcarter:

The other half is a slight mod to lilo and/or grub

[19:02:21]

juski:

I'm glad _installing_ linux is easier now than it used to be. oh man

[19:02:27]

Yahooadam:

|torg| i agree, ofcoruse ssh -X -Y works pretty well too

[19:02:29]

tjcarter:

I suggest that we use lilo, however, simply because while I prefer grub myself, lilo is braindead simple.

[19:02:40]

|Torg|:

juski do you remeber when you HAD to compile your own kernel?

[19:02:55]

juski:

|Torg|: yeah. I sometimes miss it

[19:02:58]

Plugh:

juski: When I first tried to install Linux I was using SCSI hard drives on a controller that wasn't yet supported in a standard Linux kernel. :-)

[19:03:20]

|Torg|:

Yahooadam im OLD school I jsut export DISPLAY and use XDMP

[19:03:26]

juski:

my tuner card needed a kernel patch, and I was a proper noob

[19:03:30]

tjcarter:

I consider it Ubuntu's singular flaw that you cannot trivially rebuild Ubuntu's kernel the Ubuntu way.

[19:03:38]

|Torg|:

im still pretty secutroity brain dead on my lan

[19:03:45]

juski:

tjcarter: true, but nobody says you have to do it that way ;)

[19:03:48]

jams:

heh singular flaw

[19:03:53]

|Torg|:

af coruse if you can get across all three firewalls, you probbly deservv to be in

[19:04:02]

tjcarter:

juski: Yes, but when I was messing with Myth on Ubuntu, I WANTED to do it that way.

[19:04:11]

|Torg|:

besides I really have nothign to steal

[19:04:25]

Yahooadam:

i still wonder how secure my network is ...

[19:04:27]

tjcarter:

I wanted the advantages of Ubuntu's nice setup, but with a more recent kernel and ivtv drivers

[19:04:34]

Yahooadam:

i wish i know more about stuff like that :)

[19:04:59]

|Torg|:

like what, setting up a firewall?

[19:05:09]

Yahooadam:

no, finding out how secure ure network is

[19:05:11]

tjcarter:

Yahooadam, |Torg|: you both know I've been on about a simpler dedicated Myth box setup for some time now.

[19:05:43]

|Torg|:

my ip address inst a secret, run whois on me

[19:05:43]

tjcarter:

I'm serious about putting the idea into practice if you are. =)

[19:05:47]

|Torg|:

no DoS attacks tho :P

[19:06:07]

|Torg|:

tjcarter yes I am, I was thinkng maybe curses based

[19:06:31]

Yahooadam:

my IP is pretty public, i get about 2k attacks a day, 19k with bittorent running

[19:06:50]

Yahooadam:

ofcourse it only logs the attacks it detects and stops, so i dont know how many get thru

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: agreed, though slang has the advantage of being able to use newt

[19:07:16]

|Torg|:

BT behind a firewall and DO NOT forward the ports, I know you want it faster, but its less secure

[19:07:24]

tjcarter:

Granted I think I've only ever seen one newt program (whiptail)

[19:08:06]

|Torg|:

im thinking curses becase when you give a user y/n queions in series there comes a point where they say screw it and keep takign the default, ask juksi about that and his xmltv setups

[19:08:17]

Yahooadam:

i wonder how safe Bitorrent is with peerguardian/moblock

[19:08:44]

|Torg|:

Yahooadam dont download moves, jsut tv shows :P

[19:08:52]

tjcarter:

someone on #Transmission was talking about how peerguardian had done something or other to destroy any credibility in his eyes

[19:08:56]

|Torg|:

no wait, dont download anything

[19:09:15]

Yahooadam:

i think you should basically have the mythtv-setup gui, but in a dkpg-reconfigure kind of screen

[19:09:27]

Yahooadam:

thta way it can be run from any terminal

[19:09:29]

** tjcarter doesn't run Windows, so he's not worried about attacks **

[19:09:53]

|Torg|:

I think there shoudl be a mythtv-setup gui bases and a mythtv-setup-text console based, or something similar

[19:10:15]

Yahooadam:

tjcarter – check your PM's ;)

[19:10:16]

tjcarter:

|Torg|: agreed, that gives us the option of a headless backend-only box

[19:10:28]

directhex:

headless, but X would still be involved

[19:10:34]

tjcarter:

Yahooadam: I don't have any from you?

[19:10:37]

directhex:

sue to the use of Qt datatypes. even in console mode, it'd use X libs

[19:10:43]

Yahooadam:

directhex – you can already do it headless

[19:10:53]

|Torg|:

tjcarter so if I strip out code from mythfrontend and adapt it to a console I wont be steping on anyoens toes?

[19:10:57]

Yahooadam:

yeah u do tjcarter :s

[19:11:08]

tjcarter:

Are you -e ?

[19:11:20]

Yahooadam:

|torg| – the problem is the system needs to use 1 code base

[19:11:29]

|Torg|:

what really gets me is I cant compile svn wothout xv and opengl now

[19:11:35]

Yahooadam:

so u dont have to keep updating 2 setups

[19:11:49]

Yahooadam:

probably not tjcarter

[19:12:00]

|Torg|:

my BEs dont have keybaords, mice or monitors connected, why do I *need* X?

[19:12:04]

tjcarter:

Yahooadam: You need to be +e to send PM on this network

[19:12:31]

tjcarter:

[12:12] [tjcarter(+ei)] [4:#MythTV-users(+cnst)]

[19:12:38]

tjcarter:

see the +ei ? =)

[19:12:49]

directhex:

|Torg|, because mythbackend uses Qt throughout? so unless you have a completely non-X-requiring Qt lying around, that'll be pulling in X libs

[19:12:49]

Yahooadam:

not really :p

[19:12:55]

Yahooadam:

my IRC client is pretty basic

[19:13:05]

tjcarter:

have you identified to nickserv?

[19:13:11]

Yahooadam:

i have now

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|Torg|:

oh I understnad why it does it directhex im more questioning why was it desinged that way

[19:13:20]

Yahooadam:

u should have a PM from me now :)

[19:13:41]

tjcarter:

This is one reason I hate Hate HATE this network.

[19:13:43]

|Torg|:

a BE is a server, why should it require a GUI?

[19:13:43]

dageshi:

k I've got myth 0.20.20070821–1 installed, I've imported channels from channels.conf, I'm outputting bbc1 to mplayer just fine but myth won't lock to any channels, any ideas?

[19:14:03]

directhex:

|Torg|, 'cos C and C++ suck, you need something like Qt to ease the pain?

[19:14:27]

tjcarter:

Qt is the end of all your problems.

[19:14:30]

tjcarter:

Or the beginning.

[19:14:33]

|Torg|:

directhex I wasnt quesitonign the code, what it was written in, or the virtue of one language over the other

[19:14:38]

directhex:

tjcarter, and the middle too?

[19:14:53]

tjcarter:

directhex: You realize you're talking to an ObjC fan right?

[19:15:13]

directhex:

tjcarter, really don't care

[19:15:20]

Yahooadam:

|torg| to run mythtv-setup on ubuntu server – sudo apt-get install xauth

[19:15:24]

|Torg|:

I prefedr C over C++ (mostly becase I know it better)

[19:15:30]

Yahooadam:

then u just SSH in – ssh -X -Y

[19:15:48]

|Torg|:

Yahoo try export DISPLAY=x.x.x.x:0

[19:15:55]

tjcarter:

directhex: I assume Qt is the beginning ;)

[19:15:59]

|Torg|:

and xhost +x.x.x.x on the target

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Yahooadam:

but u wont have a display unless your running X

[19:16:05]

tjcarter:

C++ is the middle =D

[19:16:10]

tjcarter:

ObjC is the end.

[19:17:11]

tjcarter:

And Java's like "C'mon, please? Take me seriously? Please? I know SWING sucks, but I have decent compilers and runtimes now. And I can do native widgets? Please? Aw man.."

[19:17:46]

|Torg|:

tjcarter you forgot "Can I have more memory please"

[19:18:03]

tjcarter:

Java's not so bad for memory if you ignore SWING entirely.

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** Yahooadam hates java **

[19:18:41]

Yahooadam:

its a pain in the ass

[19:18:51]

Yahooadam:

its bloated as hell on winblows, and damn slow

[19:18:52]

directhex:

any time you spend fighting with the programming language rather than the problem at hand is wasted time. JITed languages like java at least offer a massive set of libraries to ease development time, as well as syntactic simplicity over things like types

[19:19:01]

|Torg|:

if its a pain in the ass your probbly using it the wrong way :P

[19:19:39]

Yahooadam:

its still not 64bit :p

[19:19:49]

tjcarter:

That is true.

[19:20:14]

tjcarter:

I'm reasonably fond of boo

[19:20:21]

Yahooadam:

so where can i take a look at the mythtv code ?

[19:20:25]

tjcarter:

It's like Python with static typing

[19:20:35]

tjcarter:

bad news is that you need mono to make it work

[19:20:40]

|Torg|:

svn.mythtv.org

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juski:

mono? is that like cooties?

[19:22:33]

|Torg|:

directhex you were right, im looing at libmythui now for feasibiytly of bypassing xv

[19:22:40]

tjcarter:

juski: yes.

[19:22:53]

directhex:

juski, it's a name for glandular fever, yes

[19:22:58]

tjcarter:

If you're using Windows, you can use the .NUT framework

[19:23:40]

juski:

instead of talking about rewriting mythfrontend, just go over to the linux port of xbmc & get them to make it speak to a backend properly without that hybrid python crap

[19:24:13]

tjcarter:

I'd rather see backend speak something that won't change very two weeks ;)

[19:24:19]

Yahooadam:

orite, so lets say im in root / trunk / mythtv / programs / mythtv-setup / backendsettings.cpp

[19:24:23]

|Torg|:

actually juski im not even looking at the FE, its not even technialy teh BE iether, just mythtv-setup

[19:24:31]

tjcarter:

I'm sortof behind the UPnP AV push for that reason

[19:24:31]

Yahooadam:

how would i modify it, and get it into the trunk ?

[19:24:52]

juski:

Yahooadam: you have to pass an initiation test

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|Torg|:

svn co http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

[19:25:02]

juski:

and your code has to be non-sucky

[19:25:14]

directhex:

Yahooadam, take trunk, make a diff, make it not shit, submit a ticket to trac

[19:25:15]

Hoxzer:

cvs ... eh

[19:25:20]

tjcarter:

juski: I thought that was the initiation test?

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juski:

oh hell

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juski:

disk usage at 94%

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Yahooadam:

"take trunk"

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Yahooadam:

what do u mean ?

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|Torg|:

Hoxzer what did you think svn was?

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|Torg|:

hes telling you to download trunk, what we sometimes called 0.21

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|Torg|:

run it, find a bug, put it on trac, and in it submit a ticket to fix the bug

[19:26:52]

Yahooadam:

to download it id run – svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

[19:26:55]

Yahooadam:

right ?

[19:27:02]

directhex:

yes

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tjcarter:

okay, I have life to attend to. Have fun people, and please don't give juski a corinary while I'm gone? ;)

[19:27:14]

|Torg|:

that will get you the sorce code for mythtv, not mythplugiuns btw, to compile

[19:27:29]

Yahooadam:

and then if i do make && sudo make install

[19:27:36]

Yahooadam:

it would install mythtv on my box

[19:27:44]

directhex:

yes

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|Torg|:

if your still using sudo you probably shouldnt be messing with it

[19:27:49]

Yahooadam:

i think i see :)

[19:28:01]

beata:

Yahooadam http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO

[19:28:01]

directhex:

|Torg|, hey, i use sudo!

[19:28:03]

Plugh:

directhex: massive libraries only mean you waste a lot of time trying to find the right library and set of functions you need instead of wasting time fighting with the programming language. :-)

[19:28:04]

juski:

time to delete a whole lot of stuff

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|Torg|:

and no you dont just run make

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beata:

there are some howtos in there for installing svn

[19:28:10]

tjcarter:

what's wrong with sudo?

[19:28:11]

tjcarter:

=p

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Yahooadam:

./configure first ;)

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beata:

*from svn

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|Torg|:

you dont know how to su?

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Yahooadam:

u can do sudo su

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Yahooadam:

but why bother

[19:28:35]

tjcarter:

Usually too lazy to su

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Plugh:

And speaking of fighting things, I think its time I have another try at installing the latest released version of MythTV instead of using the SVN.

[19:29:24]

** CaptObviousman prefers running as sudo **

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Yahooadam:

what OS Plugh ?

[19:29:34]

Plugh:

Still not sure how to fix the connect to backend problem and there has been at least one other slightly annoying problem in a recent update.

[19:29:36]

Yahooadam:

nice thing about sudo is damage control :p

[19:29:38]

Plugh:

Yahooadam: Linux.

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CaptObviousman:

then you're not tempted to stay as root, plus every time you run a sudo command it pops up in syslog

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|Torg|:

check out svn; cd mythtv; ./configure --with-whatever; export DISTCC_HOSTS="localhost ...."; make -j 10 (or how many cpu caore you count x2)

[19:29:52]

|Torg|:

go get coffee, chat on irc

[19:29:59]

|Torg|:

look to see if its done, chat some more

[19:30:02]

tjcarter:

Yahooadam: I do sudo su – now and then, but I don't leave root with a passwd typically.

[19:30:09]

CaptObviousman:

ah, goodie, that's the question I forgot to ask

[19:30:13]

|Torg|:

thats how you make mythtv :P

[19:30:14]

ol_schoola:

go leave a deposit to the water company

[19:30:16]

CaptObviousman:

if mythtv played nice with multi-core setups

[19:30:19]

ol_schoola:

get more coffee

[19:30:20]

directhex:

CaptObviousman, both good points. i also like not having a root account that people can try & haxx0r into – they have to guess the username as well as password

[19:30:30]

Yahooadam:

"export DISTCC_HOSTS="localhost ....";"

[19:30:33]

Yahooadam:

what does that bit do ?

[19:30:40]

directhex:

CaptObviousman, "played nice"? meaning?

[19:30:43]

CaptObviousman:

yeah, if I were smart I'd just disable login as root out right

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|Torg|:

sets up cpus to help compile on seperate hosts

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Hoxzer:

Yahooadam: it exports distcc host list for cluster compile

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tjcarter:

CaptObviousman: That's the way Macs and Ubuntus come by default

[19:31:06]

directhex:

Yahooadam, distcc spreads compilation across multiple machines, to save time. by default, it only runs on 1 machine though

[19:31:09]

|Torg|:

... would be names or ip addresses of those other boxes

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Hoxzer:

Yahooadam: if you have another computer with distcc you can use that otherwise it is useless

[19:31:10]

tjcarter:

no root passwd to crack

[19:31:15]

CaptObviousman:

directhex: meaning it was aware of potential other cores that can be used, rather than running as a single process on one core

[19:31:17]

tjcarter:

ANYWAY, I said i was leaving..

[19:31:22]

CaptObviousman:

yes, you did say that

[19:31:25]

CaptObviousman:

and here you still are ...

[19:31:30]

Yahooadam:

lol

[19:31:33]

** CaptObviousman pours tjcarter a pint **

[19:31:34]

Yahooadam:

harsh much ?

[19:31:35]

Plugh:

The other minor issue with a recent MythTV from SVN is the menu overlays while watching TV are somewhat jittery (vertically mainly). They used to be more stable.

[19:31:37]

CaptObviousman:

stick around for a while

[19:31:57]

ol_schoola:

tjcarter: leave before i start poking juski with a stick

[19:32:13]

|Torg|:

us a bat, its easier :)

[19:32:22]

Yahooadam:

and safer

[19:32:36]

juski:

be nice or the themes get it

[19:32:40]

ol_schoola:

or get him started on how lincoln logs are better than PIC controllers

[19:32:47]

CaptObviousman:

laugh!

[19:32:53]

** CaptObviousman pours juski a pint also **

[19:32:53]

juski:

be nice or the themes get it

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|Torg|:

ohh greentube, yipee!

[19:32:59]

Yahooadam:

which themes have u made juski ?

[19:33:02]

dageshi:

k I've got myth 0.20.20070821–1 installed, I've imported channels from channels.conf, I'm outputting bbc1 to mplayer just fine but myth won't lock to any channels, any ideas?

[19:33:16]

|Torg|:

Yahooadam all of them that are worth a damn

[19:33:20]

juski:

only the sucky ones which don't have animated characters that have antennas coming out of their ass

[19:33:55]

juski:

damn. months go by without locking up mythfrontend & then I do it 3 times in a row

[19:34:01]

Yahooadam:

GANT, Retro, Mythcenter ?

[19:34:17]

directhex:

CaptObviousman, depends on what you're doing. the decoding of some codecs is multithreaded

[19:34:18]

juski:

Yahooadam: nope

[19:34:24]

juski:

Yahooadam: www.juski.co.uk

[19:34:25]

jams:

keep going you have not listed them yet

[19:34:25]

directhex:

CaptObviousman, things like the menus aren't

[19:34:58]

CaptObviousman:

hmm

[19:35:01]

juski:

oh and I should have said – the themes I made are none I particularly care much about anymore :)

[19:35:26]

CaptObviousman:

damnit, I need Christmas bonus to come early so I can build this thing

[19:35:37]

** CaptObviousman would be just fine skipping 3 months **

[19:35:55]

** juski deletes a whole swathe of Arrested Development **

[19:36:15]

juski:

and it's hung again!

[19:36:18]

Yahooadam:

juski – projectgrayhem-osd screenshots dont work

[19:36:35]

juski:

Yahooadam: duh. tell somebody who cares :)

[19:36:39]

ol_schoola:

holyicantbelieveitsnotbutter

[19:36:49]

Yahooadam:

i just did

[19:36:57]

juski:

Yahooadam: no you didn't

[19:37:02]

jams:

hahaha

[19:37:10]

Yahooadam:

if u didnt care u wouldnt answer :p

[19:37:23]

juski:

?

[19:37:35]

juski:

I can take them down if you want

[19:37:57]

ol_schoola:

just did a marathon smart update from a dorked over 2.6.20 fedora 6 kernel to an oddball 2.6.20-suspend2, with lirc, nvidia and alsa, all in one shot

[19:37:59]

Yahooadam:

the screenshots or the themes ?

[19:38:00]

ol_schoola:

and nothing broke

[19:38:09]

juski:

Yahooadam: whatever

[19:38:31]

Yahooadam:

anyway, they look pretty nice :)

[19:39:01]

CaptObviousman:

ol_schoola: nothing YET! ...

[19:39:06]

juski:

though when they're down nobody buys my mythtv case badges :(

[19:39:29]

jams:

Yahooadam- whats with the "yahoo" part of your nick? yahoo employee ?

[19:39:49]

jams:

juski- how many of those do you have left?

[19:40:00]

ol_schoola:

i just played back a .h264 avi of Blackhawk Down in DTS using the remote.

[19:40:04]

ol_schoola:

i'm pleased

[19:40:20]

Yahooadam:

no jams

[19:40:23]

Yahooadam:

just a name

[19:40:53]

juski:

hmmm. pressing D while only a group is selected in 'delete recordings' or 'watch recordings' is hanging the frontend

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juski:

easily reproducible

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** jams closes another bug **

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willcooke:

juski, before or after the "Are you sure you want to delete...." box?

[19:42:42]

juski:

before

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r3m0t:

hello. I am using nvidia drivers. playback of stuff recorded from the S-Video of my PVR-350 sucks. (interlacing teeth, jittering). how to debug?

[19:43:35]

willcooke:

works for me: 0.20.20070717–1 svn 14147

[19:43:51]

juski:

willcooke: sometimes works here, I found

[19:44:00]

willcooke:

juski, weird!

[19:44:11]

juski:

if I go into a group then left arrow back out of it, fails every time. no debug output at all

[19:44:45]

willcooke:

juski, so, Watch Recordings -> "All Programmes" -> right arrow, left arrow D?

[19:45:00]

sxealex:

Yahooadam: you were helping me last night with my remote... im still stuck at this point : http://pastebin.com/d628aaed1

[19:45:08]

sxealex:

if you have a chance to take a look

[19:45:44]

Yahooadam:

did you set the device in hardware.conf ?

[19:45:51]

sxealex:

yea

[19:45:55]

sxealex:

i updated the pastebin

[19:45:58]

Yahooadam:

did you recompile when u did that ?

[19:45:59]

sxealex:

and those files

[19:46:06]

sxealex:

hrmmm

[19:46:12]

sxealex:

i think so

[19:46:16]

sxealex:

but i can do it again

[19:46:18]

sxealex:

i guess

[19:46:37]

h0mer`-:

hi everybody, i just upgraded to the newest version of mythtv and happily installed everything. now i am a bit stuck installing mythweb... i am running apache 2.2 with php5 on a gentoo system. what do i have to do with the conf files in the mythweb folder?

[19:46:45]

juski:

willcooke: right arrow, left arrow, d hangs it

[19:47:03]

juski:

oh wait dunno about 'all programmes'

[19:47:20]

Yahooadam:

h0mer, just change the .htaccess file

[19:47:35]

sxealex:

should i reconfigure aswell?

[19:47:43]

h0mer`-:

so renaming the .conf.apache file to .htaccess?

[19:47:52]

sxealex:

b4 compiling

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willcooke:

juski, tried it on a different group and still ok for me. :/

[19:48:12]

** willcooke doesnt upgrade for the time being **

[19:49:17]

r3m0t:

hey – what equipment can record RGB off SCART?

[19:49:27]

juski:

hmmm wtf? seem to have different shows in 'delete recordings' than in 'watch recordings'

[19:49:47]

Yahooadam:

sxealex – i pmed u

[19:50:40]

juski:

r3m0t: nothing you can buy

[19:50:58]

r3m0t:

juski: thanks

[19:51:09]

juski:

r3m0t: the encoders on pvr cards are more than capable of recording from an RGB source but they're not pinned out to do it on the board

[19:51:31]

sxealex:

oh so u wernt recievin my response

[19:51:33]

sxealex:

hehe

[19:51:36]

sxealex:

nothing vital

[19:51:40]

juski:

it'd be an easy mod to do (in theory) and would take a small change to the driver ;)

[19:51:52]

sxealex:

im tryin it

[19:52:12]

juski:

actually if the svideo input & composite input are on different pins of the video chip, maybe just a driver change!

[19:52:22]

juski:

that'd be sweeeeeeeet

[19:52:30]

r3m0t:

juski: beyond me I guess ;-)

[19:52:34]

juski:

but nobody tends to try tricks like that anymore

[19:52:35]

sxealex:

i got the same error after the recompile

[19:52:39]

sxealex:

shall i restart?

[19:52:48]

r3m0t:

juski, do you have a PVR-350 or similar?

[19:52:56]

juski:

pvr150

[19:53:05]

juski:

I'd not have a pvr350 if you gave it to me

[19:53:54]

r3m0t:

ok. I'm recording off S-Video and I set it to widescreen with v4lctl. but my resulting .mpg is 4:3, and only looks correct when I stretch it to 16:9. is that normal?

[19:54:03]

r3m0t:

and why is a pvr-150 better?

[19:54:09]

juski:

tell mythtv the input is 16:9

[19:54:31]

juski:

pvr150 is newer & doesn't have the waste of space mpeg2 decoder on

[19:54:49]

juski:

http://www.pluggedin.tv/site/sweetspot/index.html &ndash ; they do an RGB capture card but it's a framegrabber!

[19:55:11]

fryfrog:

cheaper?

[19:55:19]

fryfrog:

doesn't have useless tv output on it?

[19:55:37]

willcooke:

another one: http://www.iviewdata.com/data/modules.php?nam . . . oducts_id=28

[19:55:42]

r3m0t:

juski: so with PVR-150 you can record straight to MPEG-4?

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juski:

mpeg2

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sxealex:

mp4 hardware encoder would be key

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|Torg|:

how much is a realitme h264 ecoder card?

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willcooke:

turning a VGA singal in to a scart type signal is trivial, doing the other way, I don't know.

[19:56:32]

|Torg|:

hell even a h262 one

[19:56:38]

sxealex:

yea that would be sick

[19:56:42]

juski:

ffs! that sweetspot RGB framegrabber which BTW is just a normal BT878 chip with the RGB inputs connected instead of just svideo & composite – £126.81 exc VAT !!!!!

[19:56:57]

sxealex:

save a heluva lot of thyme

[19:57:01]

juski:

mpeg4 sucks

[19:57:09]

willcooke:

yikes.

[19:57:10]

r3m0t:

but if you record to mpeg2, what's wrong with the hardware encoder?

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|Torg|:

[19:57:12]

sxealex:

meh ive had good luck with mp4

[19:57:15]

|Torg|:

hmm stil not 1080P

[19:57:29]

juski:

mpeg4 needs better pre-processing to not look like crap at the other end

[19:57:51]

sxealex:

i think i have lower standards than most people

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|Torg|:

im just thinking of a dishnet card I could h24x to a HDMI capture port

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juski:

I think if I see another sky that looks like it's made of lego, I'll barf

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Yahooadam:

i wonder if the government will try to charge us for a high defintion sky ...

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|Torg|:

per pixel

[19:58:55]

juski:

and if anybody else sends me a PM I wasn't asked about, I'll ...

[19:59:05]

r3m0t:

sorry, just an aside

[19:59:12]

juski:

oh yeah.. calmly just add them to a list

[19:59:15]

r3m0t:

does it BEEP BEEP on your setup?

[19:59:35]

juski:

whatever the hell happened to IRC ettiquette?

[19:59:38]

sxealex:

no one ever buy a digital belking usb kvm switch

[19:59:44]

sxealex:

belkin*

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sxealex:

trust me

[20:00:07]

juski:

belkin? wouldn't have em if you gave em away

[20:00:13]

r3m0t:

I guess I never learned it. doesn't seem to match up so much with real-world etiquette

[20:00:43]

juski:

right. now I got rid of all the bloody soap omnibus episodes, 61% free space

[20:00:45]

r3m0t:

I think all the cheap PVRs are crap actually, we have three broken ones here, none of them belkin

[20:00:57]

** r3m0t hums the "Soap" theme tune **

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r3m0t:

juski: sorry you may have missed the previous question. if you're encoding to mpeg2, what's wrong with the pvr-350 hardware encoder?

[20:01:36]

willcooke:

juski, does your mrs record every single episode of CSI and then never watch them as well?

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** willcooke likes the "maximum number of episodes to keep for this title" option **

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|Torg|:

willcooke mine does

[20:02:24]

willcooke:

annoying isn't it! ;)

[20:02:39]

|Torg|:

its why I have 1.5TB to record on

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willcooke:

:))

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Yahooadam:

rich bitch :p

[20:03:55]

|Torg|:

those drives were like $80 a piece, its not expensice

[20:04:26]

willcooke:

ages ago ebuyer sent me 5 300GB disks, when I only ordered 1. hehehehe

[20:04:26]

beata:

|Torg| 500gig drives?

[20:05:11]

|Torg|:

yes

[20:05:31]

Yahooadam:

ill take 2 for not telling on u will :p

[20:05:37]

willcooke:

I think the price per GB sweet spot is around about the 250GB/300GB drives at the moment

[20:05:59]

|Torg|:

I think the sweetspot is the three drive trays I have :P

[20:06:36]

Dibblah:

?redro retcarahc tfel ot thigr ginod etepok si yhW. ..mmmU

[20:06:37]

willcooke:

Yahooadam, Too late! I told them – but they're so crap they never came and collected them (which is what I thought might happen)

[20:06:42]

|Torg|:

and no willcooke its closer to the 500Gs now

[20:06:55]

Dibblah:

.ddO ... is ishT

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Dibblah:

!!!help

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|Torg|:

huh?

[20:07:24]

willcooke:

|Torg|, Wow, that didnt take long for the prices to come down then.

[20:07:45]

Dibblah:

That was wierd.

[20:07:53]

Yahooadam:

500gb disk is £50

[20:07:56]

Yahooadam:

not too bad

[20:08:02]

Dibblah:

Kopete just changed text order to right-to-left.

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|Torg|:

http://3btech.net/se50728mbbus.html

[20:08:32]

|Torg|:

thats just from pricewatch

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willcooke:

blimey! that is cheap.

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Dibblah:

Hmm. T5500 CPU (Core2duo, 1.66Ghz) beats my Athlon 4000+ dual core in pretty much everything I can throw at it :(

[20:10:32]

Dibblah:

And it's lower power consumption.

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r3m0t:

Dibblah: the next Intel CPU uses 24W less at full load (so says ars) – it's sort of depressing

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Dibblah:

"next"?

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r3m0t:

later this year I think, a die shrink

[20:12:52]

r3m0t:

might as well look it up myself

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Dibblah:

The T5500 is the mobile version already.

[20:13:22]

Dibblah:

... So the whole system is drawing somewhere close to 35w.

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CaptObviousman:

perilously close to Awesome

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r3m0t:

my DNS or something is down. I think they were referring to desktop

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Tapout:

I've got Satellite coming into MythDora .. what channel frequency should I use? us-bcast?

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sxealex:

argg stupid remote

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sxealex:

i feel like this could be 1000 times easier to configure

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Dibblah:

Tapout: The frequency table doesn't matter at all for DVB.

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Tapout:

it's coming in thru Svideo .. not a dvb-s card tho.. doesn't matter?

[20:17:29]

|Torg|:

svideo dosnt tune

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Dibblah:

Oh. just a sec.

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Dibblah:

Tapout: The frequency table doesn't matter at all for SVideo.

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dageshi:

can anyone tell me what L__ means on the OSD

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willcooke:

dageshi, it means it's got a signal but not good enough

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|Torg|:

L menas it locked

[20:22:36]

|Torg|:

l would mena not good enough

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dageshi:

mmm odd

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dageshi:

mplayer plays fine

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|Torg|:

L__ means it dint find anything on it tho, usualy menas you have wrong tuning informaiotn or that the thing you are trying to display is encrypoted

[20:23:29]

Dibblah:

Doesn't mean encrypted.

[20:23:37]

Dibblah:

That'd be LMSc

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|Torg|:

if they encrypt PMT it does

[20:23:50]

dageshi:

should be bbc1

[20:23:57]

dageshi:

so it shouldn't be

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Dibblah:

PMT is always in the clear, from specs.

[20:24:09]

|Torg|:

Dibblah go tell that to echostar :P

[20:24:14]

Dibblah:

dageshi: How did you do the channel scan?

[20:24:23]

dageshi:

I imported from channels.conf

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dageshi:

which I know works

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willcooke:

dageshi, have you got tzap installed (assuming your dvb-t)

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Dibblah:

dageshi: Try scanning.

[20:24:41]

dageshi:

willcooke yeah

[20:24:47]

dageshi:

tzap + dvbsteam works

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Dibblah:

Importing from channels.conf has always been the riskier option.

[20:25:06]

willcooke:

dageshi, tzap "BBC One" -c <path to your channels.conf>

[20:25:29]

willcooke:

dageshi, you shouldn't be seeing many/any BER and your SNR should be pretty high (FFFF being max)

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|Torg|:

sorry Dibblah not PMT, SDT

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Dibblah:

BER commonly varies up to 400 for me. UNC is the one to be concerned with.

[20:27:07]

Tapout:

Hey guys, how do I enable "tv output" with my nvidia card? It's showing the video on my computer monitor and I wanna enable it to go to my tv only

[20:27:38]

dageshi:

not sure if this is worrying or not then

[20:27:46]

dageshi:

snr 0, ber 0

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|Torg|:

some cards dont report them

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dageshi:

guessing mine doesn't tho

[20:28:17]

Dibblah:

Does it report FE_HAS_LOCK?

[20:28:17]

dageshi:

it literally plays flawlessly when I pipe it into mplayer

[20:28:22]

dageshi:

yes constantly

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Dibblah:

That's the only thing to be concerned with, really.

[20:28:39]

Dibblah:

Okay. Try scanning in mythtv-setup.

[20:28:44]

Dibblah:

Don't import.

[20:28:48]

dageshi:

k

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Dibblah:

I'd clear out all channels first.

[20:29:11]

Dibblah:

But you may be OK without doing that.

[20:29:46]

dageshi:

o.k doing full scan

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|Torg|:

[20:29:55]

dageshi:

channels list cleared

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|Torg|:

I belvie thats common to all techisat cards

[20:30:31]

dageshi:

lots of timeout scanning thus far

[20:30:40]

willcooke:

dageshi, which transmitter do you point at out of interest

[20:31:06]

dageshi:

ahhh WrekinB I think

[20:31:39]

dageshi:

signal strength varying between 43–75%

[20:31:52]

dageshi:

found some channels

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|Torg|:

you could try an amp

[20:32:11]

willcooke:

I think Wrekin is a fairly low powered repeater

[20:33:07]

|Torg|:

I dont supose there is an antennaweb for the UK

[20:33:33]

willcooke:

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/

[20:34:07]

willcooke:

scratch that – it's mainly pictures of masts – WTF

[20:34:34]

directhex:

willcooke, ooh, sexy!

[20:34:54]

willcooke:

it's reading high noon on my sundial

[20:35:08]

Dibblah:

Anyone found a site with telegraph poles?

[20:35:12]

Dibblah:

;)

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willcooke:

http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tva.exe?

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|Torg|:

hmm it reports teh distance in miles :)

[20:41:15]

Tapout:

i'm trying to enable dual head.. it won't let me hit "ok" .. In the Second Monitor type, it won't let me select anything.. just has "no monitor selected" ..

[20:42:35]

|Torg|:

willcooke whats a channel 5 transmitter and a RSL statation?

[20:43:41]

willcooke:

channel 5 is a relatively new (last 10 years or something) channel on analogue and not all transmitters carry it

[20:44:02]

dageshi:

o.k scan complete

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|Torg|:

whats RSL?

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dageshi:

got some channels, at least all the ones I want anyway

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willcooke:

RSL – dunno

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willcooke:

regional something link?

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dageshi:

k same problem

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dageshi:

L__ partial lock

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delmar:

So, is nuvexport the thing to use for transcoding shows recorded from my DVB card?

[20:46:26]

willcooke:

I seem to remember reading that myth requires a certain amount of signal strength/quality before it will display the video, is that right devs?

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|Torg|:

not myth, dvb

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willcooke:

if so – then it might be that mplayer for example doesnt have any such requirements

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|Torg|:

and im not a dev

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delmar:

willcooke, dvb card or analog?

[20:47:12]

willcooke:

dvb

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|Torg|:

im assuming this is dvb-t

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delmar:

willcooke, dvb wont display picture unless it locks

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sxealex:

someone fix my remote while im at work

[20:47:42]

sxealex:

thank you

[20:47:46]

willcooke:

delmar, dageshi is getting an "L"

[20:47:46]

Yahooadam:

lol

[20:47:55]

willcooke:

but not an M or an S

[20:47:57]

Yahooadam:

sxealex – still having no luck ?

[20:48:01]

delmar:

sxealex, get in line :P

[20:48:01]

sxealex:

nope

[20:48:07]

sxealex:

i tried from scratch twice

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sxealex:

once with mce2

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delmar:

i cant get lirc to work right either but thats an issue for another day

[20:48:16]

sxealex:

one with mce

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dageshi:

actually should point out

[20:48:24]

dageshi:

I got some channels working in myth earlier

[20:48:28]

dageshi:

on an earlier version

[20:48:33]

dageshi:

but could never make it work doing a scan

[20:48:37]

dageshi:

only importing from channels.conf

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dageshi:

now I've updated neither works

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sxealex:

its cool im off

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sxealex:

late

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Yahooadam:

kk sxealex

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delmar:

willcooke, what country ?

[20:49:18]

willcooke:

uk

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willcooke:

dageshi, I'm pretty sure it's a signal strength/quality issue

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dageshi:

myth said sig strength was 42% on the osd

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dageshi:

that too low?

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delmar:

willcooke, wanna try a few things?

[20:50:33]

willcooke:

delmar, not me – dageshi

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dageshi:

hehe, three way conversation ;)

[20:50:43]

willcooke:

:)

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delmar:

hehe ok

[20:50:58]

delmar:

dageshi, so u are in the uk?

[20:51:01]

dageshi:

yeah

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dageshi:

wanna run down of what I've tried?

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delmar:

dageshi, have u messed about with dvbtune before?

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** willcooke is 1 mile from the 18KW transmitter. A wet piece of string is all I need! **

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Yahooadam:

delmar – as to your lirc issues, what remote are u using, what OS, and what guide have u followed

[20:51:50]

dageshi:

mmm not familiar with it, I've used dvbscan to get a channels.conf, that similar?

[20:52:18]

delmar:

Yahooadam, hey cheers for taking interest... but I lost interest in it when i couldnt make it work about.. 3months ago and havent thought to look at it again until now but I will chat u later when im into it again cool?

[20:52:28]

Yahooadam:

kk

[20:52:41]

Yahooadam:

i know lirc and ubuntu can be an ass

[20:53:13]

delmar:

dageshi lets run through some stuff. tell me about your setup.. single LNB? fixed dish?

[20:53:13]

Yahooadam:

and it seems the new black hauppage remote is also causing issues

[20:53:30]

delmar:

Yahooadam, yeah i roll feisty

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dageshi:

dvb-t

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Yahooadam:

what tuner card ? and are u in the UK ?

[20:54:00]

delmar:

dvb-t ooo damn. i only know dvb-s :(

[20:54:06]

dageshi:

ahh k thanks anyway

[20:54:13]

dageshi:

hauppage t 500

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Yahooadam:

nova-t 500 ?

[20:54:19]

dageshi:

pci dual tuner

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dageshi:

yeah

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delmar:

damn. nice

[20:54:27]

Yahooadam:

dude that card is sooo easy to setup :p

[20:54:33]

dageshi:

I only wish

[20:54:37]

Yahooadam:

i have it running right now, in my signal hell hole

[20:54:38]

dageshi:

been giving me grief

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delmar:

do maybe it IS a signal strength issue

[20:54:59]

dageshi:

it works fine with tzap, dvbstream, mplayer

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dageshi:

literally flawless

[20:55:15]

delmar:

if it cant get a signal lock or if too many errors....

[20:55:21]

willcooke:

ahhhhhhhahhh!!! Is the 500 the dual usb tuners on one card thing?

[20:55:22]

dageshi:

if it works in that can't see any obvious reason for myth b0rking at it

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Yahooadam:

did u follow this guide dageshi – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

[20:55:26]

dageshi:

yes

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willcooke:

turn on the on board amp!

[20:55:40]

dageshi:

mmm think I have

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willcooke:

darn

[20:55:47]

** willcooke shuts up **

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delmar:

on board amp?

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delmar:

ffs.

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dageshi:

yeah need to force the amp on

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Yahooadam:

sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/options

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dageshi:

else it doesn't turn it on I believe

[20:56:01]

Yahooadam:

Add: options dvb-usb-dib0700 force_lna_activation=1

[20:56:14]

Yahooadam:

na u just get crap signal if u dont

[20:56:57]

Yahooadam:

dageshi – if u follow the guide i linked u to

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Yahooadam:

should be flawless

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ol_schoola:

CaptObviousman: you won't believe this

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dageshi:

yep that lines in

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dageshi:

I will take a look at the guide

[20:58:14]

dageshi:

yep I followed that

[20:58:18]

dageshi:

didn't bother with the remote

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dageshi:

but the card I did everything there

[20:58:24]

Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . I#Quick_test

[20:58:29]

Yahooadam:

did u do that bit ?

[20:59:36]

Yahooadam:

slow windows MCE is slooooow

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dageshi:

hmm o.k it found it in a warm state

[21:00:16]

dageshi:

but I guess thats from doing a reboot and not boot from cold

[21:00:16]

delmar:

Yahooadam, ok man... my card is... a TechniSat SkyStar 2.

[21:00:27]

dageshi:

I will do a cold boot and double check

[21:00:37]

delmar:

Yahooadam, it comes with a little serial adapter for the IR sensor

[21:00:49]

dageshi:

if this is cos I didn't reboot at some point

[21:00:53]

dageshi:

I will be pissed ;)

[21:01:08]

Yahooadam:

u havent rebooted since u installed it ?

[21:01:09]

delmar:

Yahooadam, i originally had lots of success making it work ok on another system... which died.. and I can't seem to make it work on the newer box.

[21:01:31]

dageshi:

have a couple of times

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Yahooadam:

its a serial adaptor ? it plugs into your Com1 right ?

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dageshi:

but not since I upgraded to the new myth version

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Yahooadam:

dageshi, shouldnt be ure problem then

[21:01:56]

delmar:

Yahooadam, yeah com1 or com2 ... i dont recall.

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delmar:

Yahooadam, i followed everything i did as much as I could and just couldnt get it to work on that system .. on either port.

[21:02:26]

Yahooadam:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install

[21:02:48]

delmar:

Yahooadam, yeah let me re-trace steps... start again... then come back to you.

[21:03:13]

delmar:

Yahooadam, wife should be awake now so I can go mess about in the living room with it. be great to have the remote workin.

[21:03:26]

delmar:

Yahooadam, in the mean time... I have another question for you and anyone else here....

[21:03:47]

delmar:

My wife is filling it up with her shows and my daughters shows and there is barely enuf room for my fishing shows...

[21:04:12]

delmar:

I see this here http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials which shows how to insert cut points and all sorts...

[21:04:20]

delmar:

and I have read about nuvexport etc...

[21:04:30]

delmar:

is that the right thing to use to transcode stuff ?

[21:04:34]

dageshi:

k its missing one line dvb-usb: schedule remote query interval to 150 msecs.

[21:04:38]

dageshi:

other than that, the same

[21:04:42]

delmar:

all the shows appear to be recording in raw mpeg.

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willcooke:

delmar, do you want to allow them to carry on recording their shows? There's an excellent option that I discovered the other day that can limit the number of episodes of a certain title. Once this number is reached it starts over writing old ones. buhhahahh

[21:05:40]

Yahooadam:

dageshi – if u go into mythtv-setup u should be able to scan for channels

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Yahooadam:

lol – get out the tanks :p

[21:06:14]

delmar:

willcooke, heh. ill just rename mythweb to 'buggeroff' .. and she cant queue up any more shows :P

[21:06:21]

dageshi:

yeah, done that, got the channels, just won't play em

[21:06:36]

dageshi:

will scan again tho

[21:06:38]

delmar:

nah what I would like is a simple way to allow her to prepare/cut/edit the shows, then transcode them

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willcooke:

In my opinion editing/cutting shows fails the "Wife Acceptance Factor"

[21:08:05]

delmar:

it would appear that nuvexport is the way to go.... but im stuck in that, when I run nuvexport.. Xvid is disabled.

[21:08:28]

delmar:

willcooke, shes very computer guru. php coder etc.

[21:08:34]

willcooke:

result!

[21:09:17]

delmar:

so Xcid is disabled, so I saw this... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=413626 checked out http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository.php and added the repo...

[21:09:30]

delmar:

upgraded ffmped... same result.. nuvexport has Xvid disabled.

[21:09:42]

delmar:

ffmpeg*

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CBiLL:

any1 here experince with uirt-usb devices?

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willcooke:

delmar, "ffmpeg -formats" will show you if ffmpeg can write xvid

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delmar:

willcooke, " EV xvid"

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willcooke:

I think the E means encoder – if so, that's good

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delmar:

so .. nuvexport <3

[21:13:27]

delmar:

but its not...

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willcooke:

delmar, I had this problem once, but I did get it working..... <thinking>

[21:14:16]

delmar:

hah

[21:14:17]

delmar:

its working

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delmar:

Xvid is enabled now

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delmar:

bloody wierd. it wasnt right after i upgraded ffmpeg.

[21:14:51]

delmar:

ok. great. moving on :P

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willcooke:

I rock! See I fixed it for you

[21:19:14]

dageshi:

nope still don't work

[21:19:21]

delmar:

willcooke, haha yep. cheers :P

[21:19:25]

dageshi:

I think I will give up for tonight

[21:19:36]

delmar:

oh yeah

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delmar:

sleep

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willcooke:

:)

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delmar:

i should do that sometime

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dageshi:

it doesn't like me

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dageshi:

and I don't like it

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delmar:

hah

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dageshi:

I'm going to make it record bad reality tv when it finally works

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dageshi:

you see if I don't

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willcooke:

that's cruel

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neoaphex:

hey all I need a little bit of help,

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neoaphex:

I have mythtv playing television

[21:26:52]

neoaphex:

now i want to stream that output to me at work

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neoaphex:

I have isntalled myttvstream

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neoaphex:

but when I try to control it from mythweb

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neoaphex:

I can't seem to watch it

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neoaphex:

if I had to guess,. id say it's because vlc can't seem to stream a .nuv file

[21:29:20]

neoaphex:

anyone around/

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Yahooadam:

bak

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neoaphex:

fuck, I hate typing out a long involved problem, and no one is there, but then people bitch when I ask if anyone is around

[21:30:48]

Yahooadam:

u should type out ure problem

[21:30:54]

neoaphex:

I just did

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Yahooadam:

cos when somone gets on they can read it and respond

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neoaphex:

I am trying to stream mythtv, but i get no output, i am watching it across vnc, so I know there isa picture and that end is working

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|Torg|:

SD or HD?

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neoaphex:

sd/hd ? not sure what you mean/

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Yahooadam:

Standard Def, High Def

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|Torg|:

where did you record the video from? and on what cards?

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neoaphex:

standard def

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|Torg|:

what is the bitrate of it?

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neoaphex:

Im trying to stream it live

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neoaphex:

bttv

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neoaphex:

96kb

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neoaphex:

so across a 10mb cable should stream just ducky

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|Torg|:

what is your upload rate on you isp connection?

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neoaphex:

10mb

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neoaphex:

20mb down

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neoaphex:

I am a beta tester for CoX

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|Torg|:

what are you streaming it with?

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Yahooadam:

go away neophex, 20mb internet, i hate you ! :p

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Yahooadam:

barley get 2mb here :(

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|Torg|:

hes using a hacked cable modem

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JohnQ:

if my version number is reported as 0.20.20060828–4 (using knoppmyth) does it support schedulesdirect? or no?

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|Torg|:

no its too old

[21:37:31]

JohnQ:

k

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Yahooadam:

knoppmyth has a SD patch i believe

[21:37:52]

Yahooadam:

or maybe it was the other one

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Plugh:

bbl

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JohnQ:

Any danger with upgrading a knopmyth system with the standard apt-get approach?

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neoaphex:

Im actually moving data at close to 1MB

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juski:

neoaphex: mythstreamtv only works with mpeg2 input streams

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juski:

so if you use a lamegrabber, tough cheese :)

[21:39:55]

|Torg|:

JohnQ not particualrly but you wont get mythtv upgraded that way

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juski:

see folks, why nobody is willing to recommend bttv tuner cards? do you see now hmm?

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Yahooadam:

bah

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juski:

heh. MS loses antitrust appeal. nice

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juski:

interesting programme on bbc4 right now – "this film is not yet rated" – a look into the MPAA

[21:55:49]

juski:

just caught it as it started, turned the mythbox off & the telly defaulted to cable. it's not on again in the next 14 days though :(

[21:55:52]

Yahooadam:

i would look at it

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|Torg|:

http://www.stealthisfilm.com/

[21:56:09]

Yahooadam:

but im strying to install the pvr-150 >_<

[21:56:29]

juski:

www.ivtvdriver.org

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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juski:

don't even bother trying to use ivtv packages IMHO

[21:56:41]

Yahooadam:

i missed a large step

[21:56:48]

Yahooadam:

download firmware

[21:56:55]

Yahooadam:

its built into fiesty juski

[21:57:06]

juski:

what? herecy!

[21:57:28]

** juski mutters stuff about people going & making linux for human beings.. **

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Kazan:

isn't IVTV in the kernel now

[21:57:57]

Yahooadam:

i know, how dare they make it easy !

[21:58:01]

juski:

if everything gets drivers as if by magic, who is gonna make all the drivers in future?

[21:58:16]

Yahooadam:

"Ubuntu 7.04 includes the drivers directly. You will not need to obtain either the firmware or drivers."

[21:58:18]

|Torg|:

the magic driver developer

[21:58:19]

Yahooadam:

wtf

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Yahooadam:

[ 1367.230000] ivtv0: Retry: file loaded was not v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (expected size 376836, got 262144)

[21:58:41]

|Torg|:

there just saying they already have it packaged fr you, thats all

[21:58:55]

juski:

Yahooadam: hmm tricky

[21:59:04]

juski:

well at least you put it in the right place :)

[21:59:09]

Yahooadam:

actually

[21:59:11]

juski:

most people get that bit wrong

[21:59:12]

Yahooadam:

thats by default :p

[21:59:32]

Yahooadam:

./lib/firmware right ?

[21:59:39]

Kazan:

meng.. i want to invent "The next big thing on the web" and be able to sell out for $300+ million

[22:00:09]

Kazan:

Yahooadam: your .fw is truncated?

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|Torg|:

root@jachin:/var/www/mythweb/modules/stream# ls -l /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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|Torg|:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 262144 Jul 1 2006 /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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|Torg|:

you sure?

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** juski has already patented 'half click technology' **

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Yahooadam:

im uploading the latest firmware i just downloaded

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Yahooadam:

adam@DataServer1:/dev$ locate v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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Yahooadam:

/lib/firmware/2.6.20-15-server/v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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neoaphex:

main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `RJPG'.

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neoaphex:

I get that error when trying to watch .nuv files with vlc

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neoaphex:

where can i get that code?

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juski:

neoaphex: VLC won't support NUV

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juski:

only miffyteevee supports nuv files. muhahahaha

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juski:

welcome to the world of a pissed-off framegrabber user

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neoaphex:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/VLC

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neoaphex:

says you can

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neoaphex:

?

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juski:

neoaphex: nah not nuv files

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neoaphex:

okies, so how do i stream what I am watching ?

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juski:

you don't

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juski:

not .nuv files

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neoaphex:

then waht is mythstream for ?

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juski:

not for .nuv files

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juski:

for mpeg2 files :)

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juski:

I told you earlier

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|Torg|:

nuv2avi :P

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juski:

it won't work for .nuv

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neoaphex:

ok

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juski:

only works for mpeg2 recordings

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neoaphex:

so new question, how do I stream my mythtv?

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directhex:

use a better tv card

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juski:

neoaphex: get a tuner which gives you mpeg2

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|Torg|:

asx

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juski:

or adapt the backend to transcode to other formats on the fly

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juski:

hmm which is easier?

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neoaphex:

that doesn't seem to make sense, my card does record in mpeg2

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directhex:

neoaphex, no, it doesn't

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juski:

no it doesn't

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neoaphex:

hmm... I can boot into windows and click save, and it does

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directhex:

neoaphex, your card doesn't record in anything. hence the rtjpg

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juski:

if you mean the big lying sticker on the front says "record in mpeg2, mpeg4, divx".. the SOFTWARE is doing that

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directhex:

neoaphex, that's doing mpeg2 encoding on your host cpu

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|Torg|:

http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/browser/trunk/modules/demux/nuv.c

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juski:

recording to mpeg2 with draingrabber tuners has been discussed but nobody cares about draingrabber owners

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neoaphex:

so you are saying there is no way, to stream mythtv?

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directhex:

neoaphex, your card produces a sequence of low resolution bitmaps

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juski:

neoaphex: there is NO WAY TO STREAM .NUV FILES

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directhex:

neoaphex, myth streams fine for anyone using an mpeg2 card or digital tv

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neoaphex:

juski wans't what I asked

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neoaphex:

but okies

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neoaphex:

where can I find a list of cards that mpeg2 cards?

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juski:

neoaphex: mythstreamtv works fine with mpeg2 recordings

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juski:

neoaphex: Hauppauge PVR cards

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directhex:

neoaphex, hauppauge pvr-series

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Tanthrix:

neoaphex: Buy a PVR-150. End of list.

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directhex:

or get a damned dvb-t card if you're in a real country

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juski:

why oh why oh why OH WHY people insist on still buying those damn cheap & nasty tv tuners for PCs..

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|Torg|:

atsc works fine directhex :P

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dageshi:

if you can get it to work ;)

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neoaphex:

just to double check... how do i tell what card i have?

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|Torg|:

lspci

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neoaphex:

I know I am using the bttv tuner

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juski:

neoaphex: if the box it comes in doesn't say Hauppauge PVR-x50, then it's trash

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juski:

and if it has bttv in the name, it's trash

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juski:

and if it has ATI in the name, it's trash

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neoaphex:

ok

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Yahooadam:

lol

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juski:

just buy a pvr150 card. one tuner, one mpeg2 encoder

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neoaphex:

whats odd, is that i can use vlc to stream directly from my card

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neoaphex:

doesn't seem to have a problem

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juski:

that's not odd at all

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juski:

vlc isn't recording the video to .nuv format & then trying to stream it

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juski:

now if you wanna go ahead & make mythtv capable of recording in mpeg2 using the cpu, feel free :D

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neoaphex:

juski how would I do that?

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juski:

plenty people would thank you for it

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neoaphex:

oh

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neoaphex:

okies

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juski:

I dunno. If I knew I'd do it already

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neoaphex:

thanks for the answers

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directhex:

i had a bttv card once

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juski:

I had a Pixelview PlayTV Pro

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juski:

yeesh man

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directhex:

back in the long hot summer of 2000

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|Torg|:

I have one too. It sits on my desk, not desktop, desk

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juski:

spent too long trying to digitise a VHS tape & get the audio recorded in sync in windows. shudder

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directhex:

it was a hauppauge wintv go. t'was for taking to loonyversity to play console games with!

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|Torg|:

its to remoind me of my stupidity :P

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juski:

ended up just buying a dvd of the vhs

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juski:

£15 well spent

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directhex:

imagine how blurry the average nintendo 64 game is, now add an rf modulator and a bttv onto the end of it

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juski:

bleh

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|Torg|:

not to menationt eh lag you woudl get

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juski:

I have a leadtek pvr2000 which is both a framegrabber & mpeg2 encoder card

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juski:

it's spiff

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juski:

even works in linux now allegedly

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juski:

I might look & see if it can be modded to take RGB

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juski:

imagine being able to solder one wire onto it to take SCART..

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juski:

or component :D

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juski:

little driver adjustment to add a register setting & bing!

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juski:

mmmmm

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directhex:

juski, you're a britlander. honest opinion: is FTA dvb-s worth bothering with? i get shitty dvb-t reception, and i mainly want the terrestrial channels

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juski:

see I've never been able to see a reason against making tuner cards capable of capturing RGB. they could put the connector on one of them mini-DIN efforts

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juski:

directhex: you miss out on channel4, five, & some others

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juski:

they're not yet FTA

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directhex:

not yet, or not happening?

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juski:

long term it could be worth it. the difference in picture Q is astonishing

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

how do u get mythtv working with sly ?

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juski:

channel4 are definitely intending to go FTA

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juski:

Yahooadam: with an IR blaster & Sly STB

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directhex:

and would there be a legal way of getting them in FTV (e.g. a foreign subscription of some kind since sky hate humans)

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Yahooadam:

yeah got that juski

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Yahooadam:

im setting up a video source

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Yahooadam:

name Sky, XMLTV tv_grab_uk

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Yahooadam:

chan freq default

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juski:

directhex: they won't issue a CAM for their NDS encripplement

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Yahooadam:

but how does mythtv know to use the IR blaster to change channels

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juski:

Yahooadam: you tell it to use a script which uses (prolly) irsend

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directhex:

juski, five is only available via NDS? arses

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Yahooadam:

i see juski

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juski:

directhex: yeah

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juski:

directhex: there's a method of using a dvb-s card with Sly channels in the UK but it needs a legally grey CAM and periodical 'topups' from a working Sly box

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directhex:

juski, hm. well, when we move, i'll contemplate the idea of swapping from a nova-t and a t1500 to a nova-t 500 and an s1500

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juski:

it's pretty damn close to being illegal if not actually illegal

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directhex:

juski, i'm not breaking the terms & conditions. if sky don't want me paying them £silly a month, then that's their decision

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juski:

look on the bright side though, with dvb-s you get all those God & shopping channels!

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directhex:

in hd!

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|Torg|:

not here. thre in 8vsb the pricks

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Yahooadam:

lol

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|Torg|:

whats worse is the encrypt my local channels, as sat providers are not bound by the same laws as cable providers

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juski:

BBC HD is on Astra in the clear though

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|Torg|:

GOD I WISH THEY WERE

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juski:

in glorious 18mbit h.264

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JohnQ:

|Torg|: sorry for the delay in my reply.. (RE: apt-get to update mythtv).. Why wont that upgrade mythtv? No debian package yet or something?

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|Torg|:

no repository

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directhex:

juski, to be honest, just getting the beeb & itv in decent quality would be a godsend. do you know how much kit is needed beyond the dvb-s card? i start reading about disecqkxkcqk and rotors and start glazing over

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juski:

you can add repos

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JohnQ:

no repository at all? or none that are up to date with 0.20.2?

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Yahooadam:

juski

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Yahooadam:

if im just using my backend to change the channels on sly

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juski:

directhex: 60cm dish for decent reception in weather, universal LNB, DVB-S card, some decent quality sat coax.. badabing

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Yahooadam:

do i need a lircrc file ?

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JohnQ:

juski: yeah... that was what I was thinking about doing..

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JohnQ:

add some things to my apt sources and just upgrade it..

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juski:

Yahooadam: the lircrc file is for lirc _receiving_ mythtv does

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juski:

Yahooadam: all the good stuff you need to zap at a Sly box goes in lircd.conf

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juski:

i.e. you put a definition for the Sly remote in lircd.conf

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Yahooadam:

kk

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juski:

but bear in mind that a pvr150's IR blaster has to be told what code to use & it all gets a bit tricky

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Yahooadam:

i got that bit already :)

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juski:

not something I've ever played with

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Yahooadam:

lircd and irsend work fine

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Yahooadam:

had that working for a while :)

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juski:

I change channels on my cable stb via http requests :P

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Yahooadam:

:o

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juski:

yeah well

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juski:

wouldn't it be ace if Sly opened up their STB a bit & made the USB and/or Ethernet and/or RS232 port(s) work ?

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Yahooadam:

umm yes :p

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juski:

oh and the Sly HD box – it only has firewire on it be damned

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Yahooadam:

i think its possible to change by RS232

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Yahooadam:

no-one seems to have figured out the comms protocol yet

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juski:

disabled. heard from a friend of a friend that it might one day be enabled, that Sly HD firewire port

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public-:

Anyone run into this with the recent SVN builds? http://pastebin.com/m1ad0f2f5

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juski:

as for the RS232 port on the Sly STBs, that's for the Sly Gnome and is ONE WAY only

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Yahooadam:

yeah the right way :)

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juski:

and Yahooadam somebody's figured it out, it's an output & spits out information about the channel currently tuned to

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juski:

public-: you is being missing of some headers & $stuff

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public-:

juski: these are linker errors?

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juski:

Yahooadam: somebody even made a script to zap a Sly box to the next channel & basically rip out all the channel numbers & channel names from the box – handy for updating when they mess around with channel numbering

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superm1:

Hi folks, just wanted to point something out. We had someone wander into #ubuntu-mythtv today having issues installing mythplugins. He said someone in here pointed him to activating debian multimedia on an ubuntu install. This is a bad idea. Debian packages are typically source compatible, but not binary compatible. Both feisty and edgy do have mythtv 0.20.2 in feisty-updates and edgy-updates respectively.

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directhex:

and i have dapper packages in my repo if need be

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juski:

I've only ever mentioned debian mutlimedia in the context of ffmpeg

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juski:

using that is quicker than building ffmpeg yourself. 4 hour compile on a 2ghz CPU. sheesh

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superm1:

yuck :)

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|Torg|:

distcc :P

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juski:

distcc is great when all the versions play nice

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juski:

I'm not gonna update my backend to feisty just cos i want to use distcc

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alieas:

Hi all. I need to upgrade so I can use Schedules Direct (now that my guide is gone). But I don't want to loose my H.264 SMP support (patched on revistion 13888). Is there a newer revision with this patch available?

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|Torg|:

tehn standrdize your platforms

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juski:

|Torg|: why? no need

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Yahooadam:

juski: Yahooadam: somebody even made a script to zap a Sly box to the next channel & basically rip out all the channel numbers & channel names from the box – handy for updating when they mess around with channel numbering

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Yahooadam:

:o ?

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juski:

my dapper box is running just fine

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superm1:

as he just pointed out it was Kritter two days ago. So Kritter be careful what you recommend okay :)

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** directhex has 0.20.2 packages for dapper, which are pretty much the same as in gutsy **

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directhex:

give or take a line or two in debian/control and debian/changelog

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juski:

Yahooadam: yeah it was mentioned on the users list ages ago. you can build an interface cable to plug into the rs232 port. the script will cycle through the channels one at a time & it'll intercept & interpret the info spewing out the rs232 port – channel numbers & names :)

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Yahooadam:

wow thats kewl

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juski:

but making cables is for brave people, and there are precious few of those around. hence my scripts :)

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juski:

plus it's no damn use for Virgin Media or Freeview or Freesat

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Yahooadam:

http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/mythtv/lirc/

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Yahooadam:

this guy has a script to transmit the IR codes

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Yahooadam:

but thats about it :p

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Yahooadam:

id rather get it working now and fiddle later :p

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juski:

anyway public- I dunno if those are linker errors but it certainly looks like you're missing headers & stuff

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juski:

X development libs & things like that

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public-:

juski: those are linker errors, meaning the code compiled, now it's trying to link them together and cannot find the references that were provided via the headers

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juski:

ah

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juski:

well then you know the answer

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juski:

stuff's missing :)

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public-:

just not quite sure why, as they are part of the libmythlivemedia library, but apparently something isn't there :|

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public-:

yet.. I do see the library.

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public-:

soooo.. a pain in the ass

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juski:

libmythlivemedia? wtf is that when it's at home?

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public-:

huh?

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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Yahooadam:

gotta do this RT script thing

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Yahooadam:

"add channel ABC1"

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dageshi:

anyone know what table in the db holds all the channel info?

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juski:

Yahooadam: not be long I'll have a version out to test on guineapigs

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juski:

delmar: sdgjhkfdagj table

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juski:

dageshi: dskjfhdsjkfhjks table

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juski:

or it might be the ummm _channel_ table

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

scary as that is ;)

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Yahooadam:

so umm juski, when might u have said script :p

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juski:

Yahooadam: it's at the stage now where I've got it parsing your postcode to get what ITV & BBC regional xmltvids are, downloading all the icons

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Yahooadam:

so faster for me to spend 3 hours setting up tonight then waiting for ure script :p

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juski:

a short step next towards letting it write an xmltv file & put all the stuff into the db

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Yahooadam:

xmltv file and db are easy

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Yahooadam:

i think

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juski:

I might need some better string comparison (like fuzzy) to get the channel names to agree though

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juski:

or maybe just case insensitive

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Yahooadam:

possibly

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Yahooadam:

the channel names in the channel file were pretty much right for me

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juski:

all the TV channel names are different between providers.. well some are anyway

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** directhex invents fluffy string comparison, which is like fuzzy but better **

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juski:

BBC 1 vs BBC ONE

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juski:

I need to dig up my old scripts which use DBD::mysql to see wtf I'm suposed to do again

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juski:

then when it's all nice & worky build in some error trapping & maybe have fun turning it into a webapp :)

[22:44:44]

alieas:

So nobody knows about a .20.2 (SchedulesDirect compatible) H.264 SMP patch? ....guess I should just buy the newer faster hardware

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directhex:

alieas, nope, newer faster hardware isn't up to the task

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directhex:

alieas, you really need that SMP

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juski:

unless you know of a 8Ghz single core CPU

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directhex:

with chocolate sprinkles

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alieas:

directhex: E6850 won't do 720p MKV H.264 w/o the patch huh?

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directhex:

alieas, doubt it. and you don't want to pay for it

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alieas:

the current rev 13888 w/ patch works GREAT on my 4600+, but now I have no guide dad. :(

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juski:

wtf? lyngsat doesn't have a logo for cbeebies?!

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juski:

crazy

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Yahooadam:

bah

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Yahooadam:

im stuckz0red

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directhex:

lyngsat misses some logos

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directhex:

e.g. the teletext channels

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Yahooadam:

"External Channel Change Command"

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juski:

Yahooadam: you point that at the script you've got to zap the Sly box to the desired channel

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Yahooadam:

ive got a script in /home/mythtv/skychannel/skychannel

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juski:

and?

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Yahooadam:

so i just put that in ?

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juski:

is it excretable?

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alieas:

directhex: you think I should post to the dev-mailing list for the patch?

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Yahooadam:

it says "the first command will be the channel number" in the mythtv-setup footnote

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juski:

alieas: how did you hear about the patch?

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directhex:

alieas, you'd likely piss off developers by posting on the dev list. ask on the users list

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juski:

Yahooadam: the first parameter will be the freqid

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alieas:

juski: #mythtv-users

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directhex:

alieas, question is... have you tried looking on svn to see the actual changeset which enables the newer ffmpeg code, and ttied applying it against 0.20.2 source?

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juski:

alieas: nearest thing to that I've heard about is a patch to allow the use of the Core AVC codec

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directhex:

juski, no, thbey got threaded decoding into the libavcodec or whatever it is source tree

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alieas:

juski: I was going to try CoreAVC as a DirectShow filter original, then someone told me about the SMP patch

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juski:

anyway ffmpeg's smp support has improved since the last time mythtv synced

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directhex:

juski, iirc the plan is to push it into trunk within a fortnight or so

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juski:

hmm forget all about a 0.21 release by Christmas then :)

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alieas:

directhex: well I have the original patch, but was told it would only work with 13888...

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directhex:

juski, i assume myth doesn't see version number jumps anyway...

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directhex:

alieas, if it's just a patch file... did you try it?

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juski:

might still apply

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juski:

might be trivial to fix it

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** Yahooadam goes to get a cup of coffee while mythfilldatabase runs **

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Yahooadam:

or 17 considering how long it takes

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alieas:

directhex: juski: OK, I'll compile the new version and get SchedulesDirect up, then try to apply the old patch and play around with it. If all else fails I can try ffmpeg-dev for the Mplayer equivelent patch...

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alieas:

Damn its got 13888 right in the .diff filename

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directhex:

it could well just be changeset number 13888

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directhex:

quit worrying so much

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

you know serial ports have those standoffs

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juski:

yeah jackposts

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Yahooadam:

well one of them came out on my PCI bracket, i just screwed it back in (after finding a new nut) and then noticed ive cracked the plastic cos i tightened it so much >_<

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juski:

I think you'l find they screw into metal, not plastic

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Yahooadam:

fortunetly theres metal underneath, so whatever :p

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Yahooadam:

yeah its got a plastic cap over the end

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juski:

and it's pretty easy to shear the standoff if you overtighten em

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juski:

I know, cos I had to change DB15 sockets on VGA cards in my last job

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Yahooadam:

ive got loads knocking around

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Yahooadam:

its when u crossthread a bolt into a motherboard standoff

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Yahooadam:

and then cam out the hole under the motherboard

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Yahooadam:

under the standoff #

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Yahooadam:

great fun trying to get that out

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juski:

dremel <3

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Yahooadam:

in a case, next to chips :p

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Yahooadam:

not fun atall

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juski:

hmm. I need some perl split thingy to take an image filename from a URL which might change

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duerF:

juski, split on slash ?

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juski:

duerF: yeah but split on the last slash

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duerF:

juski, my $img = (split('/', $url)[-1];

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duerF:

erh, missing

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duerF:

juski, my $img = (split('/', $url))[-1];

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juski:

bingo

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juski:

cheers duerF :)

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duerF:

np :)

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jarle:

I have noticed that EPG-data downloaded through xmltv grabber, somehow has wanished the next day (the epg-data seem to only have blank programs, with start and end time for the show, but no title or info of the show) I am wondering if having both xmltv grabber and EIT enabled for the source might have such an effect?

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alieas:

revision literally just changed from 14499 to 14500...

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Yahooadam:

adam@DataServer1:/home/mythtv/bin$ sh skychannel 106

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Yahooadam:

skychannel: 11: declare: not found

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Yahooadam:

and at line 11 – declare -i channel

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Yahooadam:

how am i being a n00b this time ?

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duerF:

bash skychannel 106 ?

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Yahooadam:

makes quite a difference

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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duerF:

worked ?

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Yahooadam:

yep

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duerF:

weird, what distro

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Yahooadam:

ubuntu

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juski:

#!/usr/bin/bash

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juski:

then just ./skychannel $number

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duerF:

ok, for me, /bin/sh is a symbolic link to bash

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juski:

Yahooadam: put #!/usr/bin/bash at the top of the script

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Yahooadam:

changed it :)

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Yahooadam:

the script doesnt actually work yet, i dont understand what the guy has done

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Yahooadam:

irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE SKY SKY

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Yahooadam:

$IRSEND $IROPTIONS SEND_ONCE $REMOTE SKY $digit1 $digit2 $digit3

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Yahooadam:

why did he put $REMOTE and then SKY after it ?

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Yahooadam:

meh changed it, works a treat :)

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Yahooadam:

is there a way to change irsends speed ?

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juski:

use different pause values

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Yahooadam:

uhmm how would u do that ?

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Yahooadam:

ive bodged it using bash

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Yahooadam:

$IRSEND $IROPTIONS SEND_ONCE $REMOTE $digit1

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Yahooadam:

sleep 0.5

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Yahooadam:

$IRSEND $IROPTIONS SEND_ONCE $REMOTE $digit2

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Yahooadam:

crud

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Yahooadam:

missed a button on my sky remote

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Yahooadam:

RARRR

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Yahooadam:

dammit

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juski:

Yahooadam: just about got the config wiz working for freeview channels now

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juski:

tell it yer postcode, it goes off & downloads a bunch of icons & updates the db

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Yahooadam:

:)

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juski:

tomorrow I'll get it to write a file called videosource.xmltv

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juski:

or later today even

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

what about sly/cable ?

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juski:

still a couple of bugs which make it throw a wobbler, like missing icons but I knew my data needed tidying up

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juski:

sly & cable are about as easy, but all the data has to be verified

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juski:

mainly confirm channel numbers are right, package details etc

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Yahooadam:

kk

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Yahooadam:

sly packages are a biatch

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Yahooadam:

they made it really complex so u cant work out how much their really charging u

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juski:

it boils down to about 6 packages you get from them

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juski:

it's the other stuff which complicates matters

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juski:

extra sports, blue movies etc

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juski:

anyway this is the sum total of the work so far: http://juski.co.uk/chanwiz

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Yahooadam:

nice :)

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Yahooadam:

well if u need any help just shout

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Yahooadam:

ill see what i can do

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juski:

I'm managing ok so far :)

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juski:

needs a whole load of options to make updating information optional

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juski:

some people might not want it screwing with channel numbers etc

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juski:

prolly gonna be working with a developer from xmltv on this too

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juski:

we've all wanted channel configuration to be as easy as it's been for USA/canada users for a long time

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jarle:

In the "program" table in the database I guess "listingsource" is where it got the epg from, but what does a value of "1" mean and what does a value of "0" mean?

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juski:

jarle: I guess 0 is the 1st listing source and '1' is the 2nd

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jarle:

And where can i find a descriptions of the different fields in the database?

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juski:

jarle: they're pretty self explanatory

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juski:

but I think the wiki describes a lot of them

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Yahooadam:

apt-get needs a search command

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jarle:

juski: the epg is only gathered from one video source, so I guess 0/1 means xmltv-grabber or EIT, but not sure which is which...

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juski:

Yahooadam: apt-cache search $foo

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juski:

ahh jarle in that case it's prolly just a flag to say whether to use the listing source or not

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Yahooadam:

i hate u u smart ass :p

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juski:

jarle: I have 2 listings sources in use, three if I count EIT, and my program table has only 0 or 1 in the listingsource column

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Yahooadam:

wonder how long it will take to backup 160gb

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juski:

jarle: and I've just done a select chanid from program where listingsource="1" then looked up a random chanid – and it turned out to be one which uses EIT

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Inssomniak:

in mythtv-setup how do you delete video sources?

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Inssomniak:

sorry not video sources, "input connections", hitting "d" doesnt do anything?

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jpswensen:

I am using MythDora and have a strange problem. The last time I installed, it would record every time I went to "LiveTV". Now it is only recording the shows I explicitly mark for recording. I can't figure out what I did. If I hit R/r while in LiveTV it starts recording, but isn't recording by default.

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juski:

jpswensen: oh it'll record everything believe me

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juski:

you can only see livetv in the recorded shows list if you change the group filter to allow it

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jpswensen:

hmm...then why isn't it showing up in Media Library->Watch Recordings?

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juski:

you can only see livetv in the recorded shows list if you change the group filter to allow it

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jpswensen:

Sorry...two seconds lag.

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Yahooadam:

Inssomniak – dont think u can

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Yahooadam:

but if u dont link it to a video source, it wont do anything

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jams:

i believe there is even a setting to always show livetv in watch recordings

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juski:

hmm why hasn't 'earth, wind, for hire' exported to my radio dir?

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jpswensen:

That fixed it. Thanks. I wanted to test watching from my TV and laptop at the same time, but couldn't find the currently watched show in the listings.

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cout:

I set up mythtv to record a file last night but when I go to play it I'm told "the file for this recording cannot be found". I don't see a file with the correct timestamp in the filesystem, but I do see more files with today's date than were actually recorded. any idea what might be wrong?

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Yahooadam:

bah

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Yahooadam:

why wont myth record from sky

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juski:

hmm what's the toggle playlist key again?

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jarle:

juski: when mythfilldatabase has finished running all data should be added to the database or will the backend to something in the background afterwards?

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juski:

jarle: the former

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