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Sunday, September 16th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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kdubya:

is there a way to get the gnome panels not to show on top of myth when you are using beryl

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|Torg|:

dont use gnome as a desktop

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kdubya:

seems like people have scripted closing beryl when you start the frontend

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kdubya:

i could do that...

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lwizardl_:

ok i'm into the mythbuntu setings and it didn't add the desktop into the machine so that would be why it keep rebooting into myth

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kdubya:

heh

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|Torg|:

mythtv isnt realiant on a dekstop manager

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kdubya:

does mythbuntu not even isntall a windo manager>?

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kdubya:

and could i type any worse?

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|Torg|:

I dont use mythbuntu so I do not know, but it would not suporse me if it ddint

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kdubya:

thats pretty damn confident not to include one

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|Torg|:

mythtv requires X, not a window manager or desktop manager

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kormoc:

Typically a window manager of some sorts is required to handle focus issues correctly

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kormoc:

Esp if you are using external apps like mplayer/xine/etc

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rooaus:

lwizardl_: I would be surprised if there is no window manager, but from the screenshots it sounds like you installed as an appliance which looks like the deault. ie no Desktop (doesn't mean no wm)

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daedalus8:

Ok, so reading though the backlog, are we now in a situation where the mythtv project owns the data service too?

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kormoc:

daedalus8, schedules direct is entirely separate from myth, just has people who do both

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daedalus8:

Ah

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puzzled:

anyone know which switch to flip so the sound comes from the tv via the tv-out link on the FX5200? currently the sound comes from the speaker in the pc

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puzzled:

quite a surpise. didn't even know it had one

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Yahooadam:

you cant puzzled

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Yahooadam:

im assuming your using a single RCA yellow plug thing ?

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Tall-guy:

Allright so, I've got vid coming out my 350 (yay

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** puzzled googles for RCA plug **

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Tall-guy:

so I configure X to work on the 350...and that works great too (double yay)

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lwizardl_:

that cable is called composite

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Tall-guy:

however, now videos are black...(and I was making fun of that poor other guy!)

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kormoc:

puzzled, that would be on a vivo card?

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Tall-guy:

if I take X off the 350...vids come back.....

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Tall-guy:

wtf?

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puzzled:

kormoc: it's an nvidia fx5200 and a pvr-500

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kormoc:

Tall-guy, the 350 only supports hardware mpeg-2, you might need the generic X driver

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Yahooadam:

puzzled, that doesnt transmit sound though, just video

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kormoc:

puzzled, honestly, I've never heard of a nvidia card with audio out

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: as opposed to ???

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puzzled:

Yahooadam: I see. so I need to hook up something else to get the sound to the tv right?

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Yahooadam:

yes

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kormoc:

Tall-guy, myth's built-in support for the pvr 350's output?

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Yahooadam:

from the speaker output (or line out) to the tv

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Yahooadam:

on your sound card

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puzzled:

ok, lemme see what's available on this box

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: no, you misunderstand.....

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Dagmar:

Not to be OT but... This is the f**king funniest corporate secrets leak that has happened this decade: http://torrentfreak.com/mediadefender-emails-leaked-070915/

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: I'm aware of X's limitations on 350.

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: video from myth works great on pvr350 using myths support for it

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Tall-guy:

X works great on 350 (such as it is) when enabled in my xorg.conf....

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Tall-guy:

but I when I have X on the 350...I get BLACK for videos on the pvr350.....(still using myths support for 350 out no???)

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kormoc:

Tall-guy, no, if you are using the X driver, you don't setup myth to use the 350, it just acts like a standard video card

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: I think you're mistaken, I've had it setup this way for years....

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Tall-guy:

(but slap me if I sound arrogant)

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|Torg|:

Dagmar isnt that called entrapment?

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Oh yess... lolol

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kormoc:

Tall-guy, feel free to ignore me

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: They are f-u-u-u-u-s-k-e-d

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kormoc:

entrapment only counts in criminal cases, no?

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|Torg|:

yes kormoc

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: well one of us is wrong :)

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nordle:

I luv mythtv. By using the option to force the resoltuion of TV playback to equal that of xserver (1360x768), its fixed the issue of the desktop being broke and appearing to be 1400x800 or similar. Basically if I tried to run 1360x768, I was missing a lot of my desktop which vanished off the TV. Any maxmised windows had their menu's off the viewable area. Using mythtv to force the res has fixed this for everything else. I don't know how/why, Im j

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Dagmar:

kormoc: But the fun just keeps coming. Apparently they also distributed a special P2P client that had it's own self-serving malware

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kormoc:

Dagmar, heh, now that can get them in trouble :P

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|Torg|:

Dagmar is you distribute mallware it is agains the DMCA

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|Torg|:

can I download it then sue them :)

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kormoc:

DMCA has nothing against mallware

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|Torg|:

harmiong anpother system intentioally

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Dagmar:

One could argue that them tampering with eMule violates the DMCA because the network uses md5 hashes to fight against file tampering

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kormoc:

|Torg|, under what section?

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Dagmar:

...but basically the Computer Fraud And Abuse Act covers this quite well

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|Torg|:

Im jsut rembering something I read on EFF kormoc im not really sure

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|Torg|:

its why i asked first :)

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|Torg|:

I also may be getting my laws mixes, I am an enginner afterall, not a lawer

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kormoc:

|Torg|, that's not in the DMCA, that's covered by other laws. You didn't really ask, it was more of a statement given the lack of a question mark

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Dagmar:

Remember that scene from Return of Evil Dead where Ashe opens the door and an olympic-sized swimming pool's worth of fake blood pours out at him?

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kormoc:

hehe

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Dagmar:

That's about how much shit they're going to be in on Monday morning when the feds fire up their typewriters

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lwizardl_:

Dagmar: actually that movie is called "Evil Dead II: Dead by Dawn" at least in the US

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Dagmar:

That's if the feds haven't just moved into their offices and set up shop before the weekend is out

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Yahooada1:

bah i enabled opengl and now mythtv wont open >_<

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Dagmar:

Yo, I've been to the shack they shot that in

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|Torg|:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscod . . . ---000-.html

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|Torg|:

again, all I did was use google, im not a lawyer

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kormoc:

|Torg|, their software is authorized, the end-user runs it

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alsoconfused:

Yahooada1: you might be able to reset it in the database. know any sql?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it doesn't do what's intended, but it's not covered under thet section

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Dagmar:

A creative person could twist (a)(7)

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|Torg|:

knowingly and with intent to defraud, accesses a protected computer without authorization, or exceeds authorized access, and by means of such conduct furthers the intended fraud and obtains anything of value, unless the object of the fraud and the thing obtained consists only of the use of the computer and the value of such use is not more than $5,000 in any 1-year period;

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Dagmar:

Their intent was clearly to extort money

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|Torg|:

I could arge they INTENDEd to defraud me as the thing I downloaded wasnt a movie

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Yahooada1:

got it alsoconfused

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Dagmar:

..and basically this is how forced malware installs have been prosecuted in the past

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kormoc:

of such conduct furthers the intended fraud and obtains anything of value, unless the object of the fraud and the thing obtained consists only of the use of the computer and the value of such use is not more than $5,000 in any 1-year period;

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Yahooada1:

searched the db for opengl, changed it to qt

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Yahooada1:

works a treat

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kormoc:

|Torg|, the damnage amount is too high for it to count

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Dagmar:

THat depends.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, hrm, perhaps,

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alsoconfused:

Yahooada1: if this were windows, you'd still be reformatting the disk :)

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|Torg|:

depdnds on how you value it I guess

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Dagmar:

How much would YOU charge if you were going to set up a service to allow lawyers to hassle p2P networks?

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Dagmar:

I know I'd charge about $10,000 a day

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Dagmar:

I'd be out money for them doing thta without paying me

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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Yahooada1:

if this was windows it would have driver support ;)

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kormoc:

we'll have to see

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Yahooada1:

actually, if this was windows you wouldnt be able to install an os on the xbox, so ... :p

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alsoconfused:

all i know is i need to sign up for the a new listings service.

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alsoconfused:

zap2it has been a nice ride.

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Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

thats what the people who said

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Yahooada1:

who were making money off it said #

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Yahooada1:

3rd different keyboard in as many minuites >_<

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alsoconfused:

they never asked me for money.

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kormoc:

7 days free

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alsoconfused:

7 days of what, the zap2it replacement?

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kormoc:

aye

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alsoconfused:

is it a drop in replacement on myth 0.20?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

requires 0.20.2 or newer

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alsoconfused:

hmm, i'm runnint AT rpms libmyth-0.20–154.fc6.at

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: ok, I might be more enlightened now, just tell me if I understand this correctly...the new IVTV-X driver fixes all the BS that was wrong with previous X drivers, and now I can run vid thru the X driver and not worry about pvr350 mpeg tvout?

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kormoc:

Tall-guy, that's the idea, aye

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: ok...and further to that then, fair to assume that audio won't be going thru the pvr350 if I've deselect the pvr350 output checkbox

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: and I'll need to loop thru my soundcard

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kormoc:

likely

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lwizardl_:

ok i'm redoing the setup again anyone want to help walk me through it and see if the black screen happens again

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Yahooada1:

bah

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Yahooada1:

mythfrontend is paused and its using 13% cpu

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Tall-guy:

kormoc: how long ago did they "fix" the ivtv-x?

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kormoc:

donno

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kormoc:

for awhile I believe

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Tall-guy:

I gotta read more office memos :)

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Tall-guy:

So, I can play MAME games now? :)

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kormoc:

think so :)

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Tall-guy:

ok, I think this is a minor "yay" for me then.

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rooaus:

alsoconfused: I am sure Axel built new rpms when 0.20.2 was released, maybe try upgrading.

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lwizardl_:

my capture card comes up as analog v4l capture card, \dev\video0, hauppauge wintv pvr-150 [ivtv] \dev\vbi, \dev\dsp, none, tuner 1

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lwizardl_:

video sources: named it Antenna, grabber: no grabber, channel frequency table: default

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lwizardl_:

input connections: tuner 1: video source: antenna, preset tune channel: blank, scan channels,18 channels found, starting chanel: 3, input \priority: 0

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lwizardl_:

thats the only thing hooked to the pc for video do i need to set the other options?

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Tall-guy:

For the record, I would like to thank all who have helped, chided, smacked, cajoled, assisted, and held my hand during my semi-yearly myth rebuild this week :)

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lwizardl_:

s-video 1 -> none, composite 1 -> none, s-video 2 -> none, composite 2 -> none

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jblack:

gah. Myth caused a buffer overflow in my brain..... "All Programs [803 items]".

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lwizardl_:

my settings seem correct?

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jblack:

give it a try. Do a scan

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lwizardl_:

did a scan found 18 channels]

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jblack:

Thats very promising

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lwizardl_:

same as last time and last time all i got was a black screen

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jblack:

tall-guy: If that's as often as you rebuild, you should just stick with packages. :)

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Tall-guy:

jblack: dude, this WAS a package.

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Tall-guy:

jblack: cause I got tired of the rigamarole

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Yahooada2:

wtf lol

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Tall-guy:

someone said "mythdora" :)

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jblack:

Ok. I'm striking out here.

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** jblack shuts up **

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Tall-guy:

heheh

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Tall-guy:

no worries......

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Yahooada2:

only u could make a package install difficult tall-guy :p

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Tall-guy:

wouldn't have been so bad, but I was carrying around "knowledge" that was 24 months old.

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Yahooada2:

IMO, the best thing about mythdora, you dont have to install it :p

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Tall-guy:

yeah, my hd will probably crash tomorrow :)

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** Yahooada2 *wubs* ubuntu :p **

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Tall-guy:

ok, going out to buy some cables...I'll catch you guys later.

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Yahooada2:

dont u know how to have a good time :p

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Tall-guy:

i live the big life buddy! :)

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Yahooada2:

enjoy :p :)

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Tall-guy:

take care all

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Yahooada2:

hmm

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Yahooada2:

shaggyoaf

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Yahooada2:

did u every get ure remote working ?

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Yahooada2:

ever #

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** Yahooada2 cries **

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Yahooada2:

my xbox was working

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Yahooada2:

now playback is messed up

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Inssomniak:

I svn'd up to the latest version, but now when I start mythfrontend it asks me every time which backend to connect to, is there a way to just default it to one?

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Inssomniak:

I have to select it, and enter a PIN

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Inssomniak:

anyone ?

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Yahooada2:

dang

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Yahooada2:

job lot of 3 xboxs on ebay, for like Â£2, but the persons on the other side of the country

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rooaus:

Inssomniak: That was a recent addition, I haven't updated to that yet but I don't think that is the intended behaviour. It should only prompt the first time I thought.

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Inssomniak:

oh, so far its prompted every time, but let me try again

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Inssomniak:

any one run into the problem in recent svn also when using the on screen keyboard you can only hit one key before it doesnt work anymore?

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rooaus:

Inssomniak: Vague recollection of a thread on the mailing list... set the pin to 0000 to disable the prompt. I think anything else will prompt you each time. Will find a link for you...

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, thanks for all your help

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, it took me a long time because the box kept panicing

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Yahooada2:

lol

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Yahooada2:

isnt lirc fun ... >_<

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, I finally discovered I had a bad HD and when I replaced it, everything went great

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Inssomniak:

ok yea rooaus it prompts every time, it wouldnt be so bad if you could use the remote and select it, but you have to go to a keyboard!

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Inssomniak:

I set the PIN to 0000 and it still prompts me to at least select a backend to connect to

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, Now, have you ever heard of MythTV producing sound strangely while it's running?

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rooaus:

Inssomniak: The lirc stuff didn't get comitted yet, I think there was some additional work needed. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/290036#290036

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, It's like it's time-sliced the sound at maybe 100 slices/sec and it's playing every other one

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Yahooada2:

sounds like you dont have enough oomph to play

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, ...I'm also perfectly willing to believe that I'm such a tight-wad that I bought too slow a box

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Yahooada2:

what spec is the box you have

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, I've got a dual 500Mhz

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Yahooada2:

ram ?

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shaggyoaf:

hrm, probably not much, lemme check

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, lol, 128M

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, sounds like that's my problem right there

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Yahooada2:

uh yes i expect so

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Yahooada2:

feisty is a bit of a memory hog

[01:38:44]

Yahooada2:

but 128mb is very low

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, anyway, thanks for all your help, I appreciate it. :)

[01:38:49]

shaggyoaf:

yeah

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shaggyoaf:

I bought this from a used computer store, I never even bothered to ask how much memory was in it

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Yahooada2:

not much i can suggest

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Yahooada2:

you could probably get it to work ok

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Yahooada2:

but it would require alot of work

[01:39:33]

Yahooada2:

it is a combined backend and frontend ?

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Yahooada2:

if so, you have no chance

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Inssomniak:

well this backend autodiscovery thing is for the birds, I can see its use for some ppl, but an option to "turn it off" would be nice, I have to run to the other room and blindly hit keys on a keyboard now

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Yahooada2:

thats _clearly_ how it was designed inssomniak :p

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Inssomniak:

it was designed to pop up everytime asking which backend to select every time you start mythfrontend?

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Yahooada2:

but seriously, it sounds like your using a very early beta version

[01:42:06]

Yahooada2:

it doesnt sound atall polished

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Inssomniak:

todays SVN?

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, was that "no chance" comment to me?

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Yahooada2:

shaggyoaf, if its a combined backend and frontend, you have no chance on 128mb

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rooaus:

Inssomniak: I don't think so, I thought that the 0000 pin was to disable the pin prompt. You would only get a prompt if you didn't have a backend configured with a pin of 0000.

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rooaus:

Mind you I haven't tried it yet, so I will go off and compile it now and have a look.

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Inssomniak:

I dont get prompted for a PIN anymore after entering 0000

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shaggyoaf:

Yahooada2, yeah, but fortunately RAM this old shouldn't be expensive

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GreyFoxx:

0000 is the default pin in the new autodiscovery stuff

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Inssomniak:

rooaus, but I still get prompted to select a backend from two options "dont connect to backend" or "connect to <my running backend>"

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Yahooada2:

shaggyoaf, ram gets more expensive when its old ;)

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lwizardl_:

nope same black screen then back to menu when trying to watch tv

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rooaus:

Inssomniak: Oh, sorry I misunderstood. That does seem inconvenient, especially without lirc.

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Inssomniak:

yes! it is

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Yahooada2:

lol

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Yahooada2:

so dont use the bleeding edge :p

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Yahooada2:

whats wrong with 0.20.2 ffs :p

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GreyFoxx:

It shouldn't prompt you again unless the backend isn't running when the frontend starts

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rooaus:

lwizardl_: Find the logs and pastebin the mythfrontend one.

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Inssomniak:

I found a workaround!

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Yahooada2:

attack a dev till he fixes it ?

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lwizardl_:

tring to get to terminal

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Inssomniak:

it only pops up if you start mythbacked, then immediately start mythfrontend (script), but as always mythfrontend starts up way faster, and doesnt see the backend right away, so it asks.. adding a sleep before starting mythfrontend quits the prompting

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Yahooada2:

:)

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lwizardl_:

same thing auto boots mythtv i'm going to just install ubuntu and then install mythtv afterwards

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rooaus:

Inssomniak: Ah, that makes sense... maybe it is worth a comment on the ticket. Perhaps the frontend could poll for an available backend while the dialogue is posted and continue if it becomes available.

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Inssomniak:

yes thats a good idea

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rooaus:

Inssomniak: Are you subscribed to the dev mailing list? The ticket was closed with the commit.

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nbach:

i have a problem... I can't schedule recordings

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Inssomniak:

rooaus, no just the users

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kdubya:

cd /[kernel source directory]/Documentation/dvb/

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kdubya:

my kernel source directory doesnt have a Documentation directory

[02:00:21]

kdubya:

do i have to like, download it

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rooaus:

Inssomniak: I will follow it up in the dev thread then, compiling latest svn now.

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nbach:

Hi

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Yahooada2:

does anyone know of a way to limit the fast forward speed on a frontend ?

[02:03:15]

rooaus:

nbach: Do you have guide data etc.

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Inssomniak:

cool rooaus

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Inssomniak:

anyone experience my other problem, with the OSD keyboard only allowing one keystroke?

[02:05:12]

nbach:

rooaus yes, and I can watch live tv and record live programs when im watching them

[02:05:24]

nbach:

i also see the stuff ive scheduled in the database

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nbach:

at least, in the record table

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Yahooada2:

nbach

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Yahooada2:

if you run mythbackend with a terminal

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Yahooada2:

try to schedule a recording, and see what it says

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Yahooada2:

or look in /var/log

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rooaus:

nbach: have you changed anything, maybe the backend is starting as a slave.

[02:07:29]

nbach:

this is a fresh install of MythDora

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nbach:

but yet the log does say its running as a slave... hmm

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Yahooada2:

well gnite all

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Yahooada2:

enjoy :)

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rooaus:

nbach: In mythtv-setup make sure ip addresses are the same in the general section.

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nbach:

yeah i think i see the problem

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nbach:

thanks for the help!

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nbach:

yep, it was just me fat-fingering something

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rooaus:

cool

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nbach:

thanks

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dns_56:

i have compiled svn and it now requires a pin, where is this configured and stored?

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rooaus:

dns_56: mythtv-setup

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dns_56:

can't see it anywhere in there

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rooaus:

in general, local backend. Entry labelled pin or similar.

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dns_56:

* slaps head *

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GreyFoxx:

dns_56: for now use 0000

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dns_56:

or 12345 :)

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GreyFoxx:

I meant if you needed the default one :)

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clever:

having trouble with mythbackend on a new system

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clever:

it doesnt seem to be opening the tcp listening socket it normaly does

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clever:

(all it has are unix sockets)

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rooaus:

GreyFoxx: The pin was blank when I recompiled, did you say it should be set to 0000 by default?

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GreyFoxx:

rooaus: I know cdev intended it to be 0000, but maybe someone complained and it was make blank instead

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rooaus:

GreyFoxx: Thanks.

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Anduin:

0000 = no pin needed

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clever:

mythbackend doesnt seem to be opening the sockets it normaly does

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clever:

so the clients get errors connecting to the master backend

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kslater:

ok, did another stupid stupid thing – didn't keep /etc/fstab and I have a couple of lvm partitions that I can't remember which fs I used for them. xfs or jfs. I can't seem to get the utilities to tell me the correct fs.

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esandeen:

kslater, stat -s /some/device

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esandeen:

er

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esandeen:

make that file -s /some/device

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esandeen:

or just mount it and let the kernel figure it out :)

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kslater:

maybe I'll give the mount a try, don't know why I didn't just try that. Must be getting tired.

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clever:

blkid might also work

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kslater:

esandeen – thanks man – jfs

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esandeen:

kslater, sure :)

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esandeen:

smart it is, that kernel :)

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Slyboots:

Man, Im getting real tired of MythTV..

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Slyboots:

Or.. the RT grabber..

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Slyboots:

For the next week, Apparently 8 of my channels are showing "Unknown"

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Arfdeee:

hi, anyone using mytharchive?

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kevincody:

i'm putting together a headless dedicated mythtv backend box

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kevincody:

only has two pci slots, server class board, and a raid1 array. sound will have to be pci or usb.

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kevincody:

what's a good simple high quality audio capture card?

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kaillee:

hello, when installing mythtv for the first time... should I install fedora, then mythtv.. is there a quick guide for fedora somewhere

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tank-man:

use whatever distro you are familiar with

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kaillee:

i am thinking that fedora is what I want

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** CyberKnet3 contemplates where to get the $500 for his new front end **

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jblack:

Do you have a pretty daughter that is old enough to lie about being 18?

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CyberKnet3:

kaillee: if you google for fedora and mythtv installation ... you can't miss the guide

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CyberKnet3:

seriously

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CyberKnet3:

jblack: dude... -1 bad taste.

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jblack:

That's not bad taste. That's just working one's assets. ;D

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jblack:

But ok. Perhaps you could sell plasma. You could afford a new front end in less than a year

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kaillee:

does anyone know if Fedora 7 is ok to use?

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jblack:

Should be fine.

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kaillee:

yes I am

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kaillee:

:)

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kaillee:

thux hun

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jblack:

kaille: http://atrpms.net/dist/f7/mythtv/

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esandeen:

kaillee, I use f6 for myth, just 'cause f7 wasn't out then :) see also mythdora....

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CyberKnet3:

jblack: sell plasma?? I just bought plasma :)

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IamEthos:

is there any way to make my myth box do the work of my cable box (descrambling my premium services, etc)? I'm not trying to get anything that I'm not paying for, but the cable box has a crappy ir range and I would love to eliminate the extra device

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IamEthos:

plus, my cable box doesn't provide for any sort of channel guide feature

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IamEthos:

which does not rock

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Tanthrix:

IamEthos: Unfortunately, no.

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Tanthrix:

IamEthos: See this page for all your options regarding digital cable: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable

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jafa:

qam – also check out http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun

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jedix:

hey

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jedix:

I was wondering, to get the 0.20.2, should I pull http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv or http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv ?

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sxealex:

does anyone know anything about setting up a remote via lirc

[07:18:43]

sxealex:

?

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jedix:

not I, sorry

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sxealex:

well i have no answer for you either hehe

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sxealex:

so dont bother apologizing

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sxealex:

;)

[07:20:47]

sxealex:

if anyone does... im wondering if there further setup required after installing it to get the key presses to work

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jedix:

20-fixes became 20–2

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jedix:

now what branch is 20.2

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jedix:

there's a tag..

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jedix:

ah http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/tags/release-0-20-2

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jedix:

sweet

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Dagmar:

That's the release. It should be no different from the 0.20.2 tarball

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Dagmar:

diabolix: That's where you have to filter out the responses from the people who just glance at the window every once in awhile without actually looking at the whole picture of the problem space

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xris:

in svn terms, a "tag" is a snapshot of a particular branch at a particular point in time.

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rod:

sxealex, my notes on lirc (Mandriva distro) are at http://users.on.net/~emerson/mythtv/mdk/post.html#remote and http://users.on.net/~emerson/mythtv/myth/conf.html#remote

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funkydruid:

hi

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funkydruid:

hi

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funkydruid:

I have wee problem installing mythtv on sabayon linux and was wondering if anyone might be able to help me?

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juski:

just ask a direct question about the problem

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juski:

or don't, if you don't actually want to be helped :P

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directhex:

sabayon – for when even Arch is too mainstream

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juski:

hey can I ask a question and then just sit here waiting for somebody to ssh into my machine to fix it for me?

[10:07:15]

willcooke:

Mornin' Juski!

[10:07:57]

juski:

morning willcooke

[10:08:01]

laga:

morning

[10:08:03]

willcooke:

I'm borrowing your ipod script and changing it a bit to make audio recordings available via a podcast

[10:08:22]

** willcooke waves to laga **

[10:08:23]

juski:

whatever one of them is ;)

[10:08:30]

laga:

;)

[10:08:38]

** laga waves back **

[10:08:59]

juski:

willcooke: there's my dvbradio export script ya know

[10:09:14]

juski:

not that it's much different to the ipod script

[10:09:17]

willcooke:

juski, yeah sorry – that's the one I meant

[10:09:44]

willcooke:

Although, my perl isn't up to scratch so I'll probably do it in python

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BULLE:

willcooke: thats good imho, perl is the spawn of satan!

[10:10:35]

willcooke:

:)

[10:10:54]

willcooke:

Better than bash, which is what I started doing it with!

[10:11:14]

willcooke:

well – perhaps not better – but easier for my feeble brain to understand

[10:11:19]

juski:

python? EEEEEEEW

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** willcooke wonders what he's started **

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juski:

I don't know much python but it looks about as human readable as perl ;)

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willcooke:

yikes – ffmpeg is a bit involved.

[10:13:00]

willcooke:

I think I'll stick with mencoder

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BULLE:

justdave:

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BULLE:

juski: -lna map/\B./&$`<$&&$&<$'&$'<"@F"&&pri nt,0 x3..9x3

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BULLE:

juski: thats perl, in its most uggly form, you cant get anything close to that, with python

[10:13:49]

willcooke:

Ahhh – now – this is interesting... lame can take and mpeg2 file and turn it directly in to an mp3

[10:13:56]

juski:

yeah but you don't _have_ to write like that

[10:14:54]

juski:

anyway I'm already pissed off enough today without getting into a lame & futile argument

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willcooke:

in theory all I need to do is unmux the MPEG TS, and feed the audio stream straight into lame

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juski:

willcooke: ffmpeg is dead easy

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juski:

ffmpeg -i $somefile -acodec $codec -b $bitrate $outputfilename

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willcooke:

hmmm. Ok – that looks easy enough – I'll give it a go.

[10:17:57]

juski:

that's all my dvbradio export script does

[10:18:06]

juski:

then it tags the resulting file

[10:20:18]

juski:

I've never understood people who shy away from ffmpeg saying it's too hard, then just go use mencoder

[10:20:57]

willcooke:

I've been using mencoder for years – I'm just comfortable using it, and too lazy to look at the other options!

[10:21:26]

juski:

I used to be intimidated my ffmpeg but it's dead easy

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willcooke:

ok, time for a speed check between lame & ffmpeg....

[10:24:41]

Hoxzer:

:) Hmmm mythtv-multirec seems to work just perfectly. However "switch imput" menu with 10 tuners can confuse people that only use mythtv and don't maintain it

[10:25:07]

willcooke:

Wow – they got it working already?! Great news.

[10:25:49]

willcooke:

If I get one more dvb card I'll be able to record EVERYTHING!! hehe

[10:26:11]

juski:

it's nowhere near ready for merging yet

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Dagmar:

juski: It doesn't help that most of it's documentation is --arcane-option --indecipherable --crazy-sounding-whatsis --lots-of-complexness

[10:26:39]

juski:

Dagmar: true

[10:26:52]

juski:

you can't fault them for being thorough :P

[10:27:16]

juski:

there's a good incentive to write a 'ffmpeg for human beings' guide

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willcooke:

juski, ffmpeg is complaining that it can't find the audio track "Unsupported codec for output stream #0.0" – do you need to use a later version of ffmpeg than the one included with Umbongo?

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willcooke:

oh wait – I think I understand. The pre-compiled version doesnt support mp3?

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juski:

rofl

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juski:

yup

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willcooke:

doh!

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juski:

I dunno what the point of shipping ffmpeg is without it being able to support major formats

[10:36:39]

willcooke:

Some stupid legal wranglings I expect

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juski:

technically mpeg2 is protected by patents too, so why they don't consider that a legal risk I dunno

[10:36:43]

willcooke:

:)

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willcooke:

weird

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willcooke:

you'd think Shuttleworth would have enough money to just licence MP3 for Ubuntu

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juski:

I think the issue with that is more moral than financial

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willcooke:

Oh, that old chestnut

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mkargar:

hello all friends

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jblack:

I could say a lot of things about Mark Shuttleworth. Overly concerned about moral issues isn't one of them

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jblack:

As it happens, mp3 licensing for ubuntu is a financial issue. I know, because I was at that conversation.

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rooau1:

interesting, do the other distros licence mp3?

[10:56:55]

jblack:

I'm only aware of one that does, and that's linspire.

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AndyCap:

mandriva was mentioned as an example of someone that do. but I haven't checked

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AndyCap:

seems they were wrong though

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mkargar:

i have one question?

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mkargar:

do mythtv supporting HD?

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AndyCap:

yes

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mkargar:

supporting HD on linux??!!!

[11:03:27]

jblack:

You can see the list of patents at http://www.mp3licensing.com/patents/index.html . Some of them start expiring in 2013.

[11:03:36]

jblack:

mkargar: Yes!!

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AndyCap:

mkargar: specify what you mean by HD

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laga:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[11:03:52]

AndyCap:

mkargar: why is that so hard to believe?

[11:03:54]

laga:

!!!!!!!!!!!!11111eleven

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laga:

ffs.

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jblack:

andy: I imagine he's confusing HD with cablecard

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AndyCap:

jblack: or HD-DVD or whatever

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AndyCap:

jblack: or some stupid american proprietary HD sat service. :P

[11:04:57]

mkargar:

HD TV on Hotbird by SkyStar2 dvb card!

[11:05:23]

** jblack hands andy the cookie **

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AndyCap:

mkargar: ease off on the !! will you.. we can read you perfectly fine. :)

[11:06:11]

AndyCap:

mkargar: if it's encrypted you can't use Skystar 2. you need a card that supports a CAM. and the right CAM and smartcard

[11:06:35]

jblack:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=DVBHowTo

[11:06:44]

jblack:

Do a search for "skystar"

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AndyCap:

mkargar: so it depends on the channel I guess. dunno if there are any HD channels in the clear

[11:07:37]

jblack:

You can see the about 9,490 results that I'm looking at by pointing your browser at http://google.com and entering "SkyStar2 dvd card mythtv"

[11:08:02]

mkargar:

oh!very thanks Andy!

[11:08:13]

AndyCap:

So, what do we have on HDBird. :P http://www.lyngsat.com/hd/hotbird.html

[11:08:35]

juski:

a lot of HDTV in europe is h.264 – so good luck playing that back in linux

[11:08:57]

AndyCap:

nothing in the clear. but conax should be a piece of cake with a CAM and the right card.

[11:09:06]

jblack:

Well, the site I gave him mentioned some success.

[11:09:18]

AndyCap:

juski: brute force helps for 720p.

[11:09:33]

jblack:

I suppose h.264 is the euro version of an encrypted stream?

[11:09:40]

juski:

brute force, as in using cpu cycles – that's your best hope

[11:09:45]

AndyCap:

jblack: nope.

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juski:

jblack: h.264 is a different encoding scheme

[11:09:53]

AndyCap:

jblack: mpeg-4 standardized

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mkargar:

on the hotbird is only LUXE TV HD as Free!!!all chanel are encrypt!!!

[11:10:23]

jblack:

Yeah. I'm reading up on it on wikipedia now

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jblack:

mkargar: If "all chanel are encrypt!!!" then "You are screwed!!!"

[11:11:34]

AndyCap:

not much hardware that does h.264 either

[11:12:06]

AndyCap:

and definitely not on linux.. perhaps if amd has really seen the light. but I guess MPAA can put it out for them

[11:14:52]

jblack:

Apparently apple uses it for itunes, and Adobe plans to use it for flash

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BULLE:

AndyCap: nah, MPAA cant do much about it in terms of stopping amd from providing the h264 decoding support

[11:15:06]

jblack:

I guess that'll kill off the free software flash player. :(

[11:15:24]

laga:

jblack: why? ffmpeg supports h.264

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BULLE:

AndyCap: guess they can just refuse to licence AACS to linux though, so you cant play legaly bought hd-dvd or bluray disks

[11:15:49]

mkargar:

jblack:very excus me!!!all chanell are cryption only LUXE tv on the Hotbird!

[11:16:06]

AndyCap:

BULLE: demanding HDCP output.. and that's not very free software compatble

[11:16:11]

BULLE:

mkargar: so, get the proper decoding hardware and a subscruption

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AndyCap:

mkargar: yes, and?

[11:16:21]

BULLE:

AndyCap: actualy, HDCP is pretty free software compatible

[11:16:32]

BULLE:

AndyCap: the problem is, that in order to get an AACS licence you need way more then just use hdcp

[11:16:47]

jblack:

laga: Thanks for the info

[11:16:56]

BULLE:

AndyCap: you need a protected path trough the operating system, where they hd content flows, and you cant transfer it over any bus unless its encrypted

[11:17:02]

AndyCap:

http://www.technotrend.com/2780/TT-connect__S2-3650_CI.html

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BULLE:

AndyCap: and i guess THAT is what makes it virtualy impossible to get an AACS licence for opensource software

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willcooke:

Bloomin' 'eck – setting the compile options for ffmpeg is a task and a half.

[11:17:54]

BULLE:

as with an opensource os, you can always alter the os, to dump the hd data, in an unencrypted form

[11:18:19]

mkargar:

Andy:and?!!

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AndyCap:

mkargar: so the channels are all encrypted?

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AndyCap:

mkargar: what is the problem

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willcooke:

juski, What am I doing wrong? I still don't have mp3 as an available encoder. It's there as a decoder though

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juski:

just get a CAM, a tuner card which can accept the CAM and subscribe!

[11:19:22]

BULLE:

AndyCap: oh, that usb thingy looked very nice

[11:19:26]

AndyCap:

fairly straightforward.

[11:19:43]

AndyCap:

BULLE: well, dunno if there are any docs for it or actual linux support

[11:19:45]

juski:

willcooke: dunno. I used ffmpeg from debian's multimedia repo

[11:20:00]

willcooke:

juski, Good idea! ta!

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juski:

as far as USB CAMs go, they're a nono for mythtv since they rely on software to do the decrippling

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AndyCap:

juski: yeah, but this was a cam/receiver, so perhaps. or they were just cheap and stuck the two in a box with an usb hub

[11:21:04]

BULLE:

juski: this thing has a built in CI slot, so you insert the CAM into the usb thingy

[11:21:18]

mkargar:

AndyCap:on the hotbird is LUXE TV HD Free only!!all chanell(liking TPS Star HD and...) are Via 2.5!!

[11:21:41]

BULLE:

juski: sadly the world seems to go for software cam implementations to reduce cost

[11:22:04]

AndyCap:

anyone else understand mkargar?

[11:22:11]

BULLE:

AndyCap: no cant say i do

[11:22:32]

AndyCap:

except that it seems to be a very pressing! matter!

[11:22:48]

BULLE:

mkargar: and what do you want us to do about the fact that the broadcasts are encrypted ?

[11:23:13]

AndyCap:

BULLE: it's linux. it's magic you know. :)

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juski:

I think what mkargar is trying to say is that on Hotbird, the only free to air HD channel is Luxe TV

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AndyCap:

which means he's luckier than I thought from lyngsat.

[11:27:18]

juski:

if mkargar wants anybody here to suggest how he can decrypt the encrypted channels without paying, he's got another thing coming :P

[11:30:30]

AndyCap:

I think he's just overjoyed that he can watch Luxe Tv HD

[11:31:18]

AndyCap:

geez, who finances that crap? http://www.luxe.tv/EN/

[11:31:50]

AndyCap:

so basically its a free channel advertising flashy luxury stuff in HD

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Cry_wolf2:

While we are on tha topic.... SVT (Swedish "BBC") have a free HD channel on dvb-t, do you need a hdtv-card or can a nova-t recive it ? Have heard some roumors that a person with nova 500 could watch it.

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directhex:

Cry_wolf2, you can receive HD DVB-T with any old card – watching it is another matter

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juski:

Cry_wolf2: a nova-t should be able to pull it in

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Cry_wolf2:

Ok, thanks

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Patina:

Does mythtv do picture in picture?

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laga:

yes

[11:51:08]

Patina:

Out of the box? I haven't found it.

[11:51:37]

laga:

you might have to configure it

[11:52:56]

laga:

hum. using my PAL modeline, nvidia-settings tells me it's running at 25.01Hz vrefresh. i wonder if i can make it run at 25.00Hz :/

[11:53:01]

juski:

Patina: how many tuner cards do you have?

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juski:

PiP will only work if you have more than one tuner available when you want to use it

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Dagmar:

Aidis: One moment

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Patina:

juski: I have two.

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nordle:

morning, I've managed to break myth again. The whole menu is about 80% off the end of the screen and I can't see anything to select correct menus to try and fix it. I set the xorg res, I then set the GUI h/w within myth, then I watched a DVD and was fiddling with the aspect ratio on the TV and mplayer. When I returned to myth, it was totally HUGE and showing only 20% of the menu. I've re-booted, but its stuck. What can I do to fix this? Unfortun

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juski:

mythfrontend -geometry sizesmallerthanyourdesktopresolution

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nordle:

away for 30mins

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laga:

nordle: mythfrontend --reset will reset appearance settings

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nordle:

oooohh excellent!!! will try, got to answer door, cheers, brb.

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juski:

anyway wtf are you using mplayer for dvd playback for? it's lame

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juski:

Patina: while in 'watch tv' press M to bring up the OSD menu. you can enable picture in picture from there

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Patina:

juski: That was easy, I guess I never tryed m after I installed the second tuner.

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juski:

I find PiP very useful. Only when I'm testing tuners though

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Patina:

I like to zap around when waiting for commercials to end, but I suppose that isn't an issue with myth.

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juski:

zap around? what?

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juski:

just timeshift everything. since I stopped wasting my life just surfing TV channels I have time to do loads of other things ;)

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jblack:

/whois juski

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jblack:

heh

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juski:

if I still wasted my life randomly grazing TV shows there'd not have been any themes from me

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juski:

besides, most TV channel packages these days offer far too much choice between things of insignificant interest or quality

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AndyCap:

juski: well, perhaps you could have escaped peptic ulcer then. :P

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jblack:

Aye. Loads of crap, as far as the eye can see

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juski:

you can count the amount of shows worth watching on 2 pairs of hands, out of _hundreds_ of channels

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juski:

in the UK alone we have over 500 channels, the majority of which I'd never even heard of before starting work on my config wizard script

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jblack:

I didn't realize there were so many.

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AndyCap:

jblack: just the free channels on uk satellite: http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/skyprod . . . ls/freetoair

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jblack:

Those are all OTA?

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AndyCap:

jblack: no. satellite.

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jblack:

Hmm.

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jblack:

The hotels I stayed at generally had perhaps a couple dozen channels.

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AndyCap:

jblack: I'll probably be arrested by some UK resident soon. but http://freeview.co.uk/channels/?__SITE=public&p[0]=channels should be the free OTA channels

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jblack:

That's more like it

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AndyCap:

jblack: hehe, extra tuners for the hotel network costs money.

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jblack:

I left london thinking "This is why Brits are smarter than Americans. Their TV _sucks_"

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AndyCap:

btw. anyone know of some hardware to stuff DVB multiplexes into multicast-ip?

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juski:

hardware? nah

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juski:

jblack: on cable we have a similar number

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juski:

even taking into account the timeshifted channels there are still way too many

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juski:

and probably the reason Brits are smarter than Americans – generally you could put that down to our TV. We're gradually catching 'up' with you lot though

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jblack:

I'd say falling back to. ;D

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AndyCap:

jblack: In theory americans should be smarter, because I left the us thinking, their tv sucks. :P

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jblack:

hmmmm. I guess it's a case of familiarity.

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AndyCap:

jblack: or getting them hooked at a young age

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jblack:

In all fairness, I just finished watching a reality series for which the plot was watching fat people walk hundreds of miles. ;D

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AndyCap:

jblack: could be worse. :)

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jblack:

well, last night I watched people dig around in styrofoam peanuts. That count as worse?

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AndyCap:

I did watch an episode of a reality show because I'd caught a glimpse of pink spandex hotpants in a teaser. :S

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juski:

anybody who watches 'reality' TV is automatically entitled – nay _obliged_ to have a labotomy

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jblack:

lobotomy, do you mean?

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AndyCap:

lobotomies are hardly scientific. more like banging on your computer with a wrench when it bluescreens.

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jblack:

As a matter of fact, they _were_ wearing football helmets during that particular show. ;D

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AndyCap:

jblack: dosen't that make them look a little.. slow?

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laga:

directhex: you here?

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jblack:

They _were_ slow. They hadn't had sleep in days.

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AndyCap:

jblack: so basically they were torturing fat people?

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jblack:

The idea behind solitary is lock people up individually, sleep deprive them, underfeed them.. then give them tests that would be obnoxious, but doable for people that had a full night of sleep.

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AndyCap:

jblack: so, who makess this? some japanese hit producer? :>

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jblack:

Nah, the fat people were on Fat March. They had to walk from Boston, MA to Washington, DC over a period of a few weeks.

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jblack:

No, The Fox reality channel.

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AndyCap:

well, for cruel tv nobody beats the japanese.

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jblack:

Yeah. People rarely get hurt on solitary. I've seen some of the stuff the Japanese do.

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jblack:

The neat part of solitary though is that 1) its self inflicted torture and 2) The players don't know when the other players have quit, greatly increasing self-infliction.

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AndyCap:

what I would like to see is drop some people off on an unpopulated island, leave them for 6 months and then come back and film.

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AndyCap:

I guess it'd be kinda tough to find willing participants

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juski:

just kidnap some fat people

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AndyCap:

rofl

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jblack:

that reminds me... when does kid nation start?

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jblack:

sept 19

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directhex:

laga, aye

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laga:

directhex: heh, never mind. i was having trouble with joystick configuration in trigger but it seems to be abug :/

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directhex:

"You may need a viewing card to view some of these channels (this currently applies to Channel 4, Five, Five Life, Five US and Sky Three)" – surely that's a list of both FTA and FTV then?

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juski:

directhex: yeah

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juski:

you need a Sly sponsored box to be able to watch C4, 5, five life, five US & Sly Three legitimately

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Slyboots:

Hmmm?

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Slyboots:

channel 4 is FTV

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Slyboots:

Get freeview ;)

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juski:

some channels on satellite are only free to view, not free to air

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juski:

I expect that'll change in time though – channels four & five are waiting to get out of their current agreement with Sly IIRC

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AndyCap:

directhex: yeah, but that's only 5 channels, so it didn't matter much for the volume of FTA channels.

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juski:

AndyCap: but out of all the Freesat channels, those 5 make up some 25% of those worth watching, if not more!

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AndyCap:

juski: hehe, quality is another matter alltogether.

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AndyCap:

does the UK really need two gem tv-shopping channels?

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willcooke:

Does it need one? ;)

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juski:

does the UK need _any_ ducking shopping channels?

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juski:

I miss having only 3 channels :(

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juski:

TV was much better then

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ALL4N:

hey, I'm having problems getting ivtv to show anything on my tv.. I'm using Hauppauge PVR350 and have PAL TV. I tried following this howto: http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=TvOutPal but it does not work. I also tried using ivtv-fb module, but it does not seem to be installed after I installed ivtv on ubuntu. Is ivtv-fb needed (I was able to modprobe ivtv) to show anything at all on tv, or is it only for X->TV?

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juski:

science programs didn't have whooshy graphics with stupid sound effects, and they presented _facts_

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juski:

ALL4N: time to read the ivtv docs

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AndyCap:

ALL4N: do you really, really, need PVR350 output?

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** juski laughs **

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juski:

is it ready for the hud? ;)

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ALL4N:

AndyCap: why do ask? I don't have tv-out on my gfx card if you are wondering about that

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juski:

you didn't just go out & buy a pvr350 did you?

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AndyCap:

ALL4N: because it's not really a good solution anymore.

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juski:

AndyCap: it never really was

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AndyCap:

juski: :P

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ALL4N:

juski: why not?

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juski:

ALL4N: 1. VGA card tv outputs can take on a standalone DVD player in terms of output quality

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juski:

2. pvr350 is no use for anything other than mpeg1 or mpeg2

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juski:

3. pvr350 has no digital audio output

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juski:

4. music playback comes out of your soundcard anyway

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juski:

5. pvr350 support in mythtv is in grave danger of disappearing

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juski:

that's about it but I think it makes for a compelling list

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directhex:

GL?

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ALL4N:

juski: I read several others were able to get their X out on TV through PVR350

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juski:

ALL4N: so?

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juski:

pvr350 cards are a waste of money. you can get a pvr150 and a gf4 card from nvidia with good quality TV out for less money

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ALL4N:

juski: so it can't be for mpeg1/2 only. X output is not only mpeg1/2 as far as I know

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AndyCap:

does it support Xv?

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directhex:

no

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juski:

ALL4N: no, it can only assist playback of mpeg1 and mpeg2

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willcooke:

juski wishes TV was still like this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYYS1mzp0M

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juski:

willcooke: yup

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juski:

24/7 of duck all on hundreds of channels :-\

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willcooke:

juski, ZOMG!!! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NVPwYCcsAr0 (<--- now that's when TV was great)

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juski:

oh yeah

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juski:

Jonny Ball FTW!

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juski:

where are the kids tv science programs now?

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AndyCap:

from what the freaks in the hi-fi htpc forums say, the GF6xxx tv-out beats the gf4 even, but that's more money I guess.

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AndyCap:

Johnny Ball, heh, he was on the intro cassette to my chemistry set

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juski:

htpc forums.. pfft

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blackest:

don't he look young

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ALL4N:

so.. most of you guys don't use ivtv I gather?

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** ol_schoola yawns, pours cuppa **

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ol_schoola:

good morning blokes

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AndyCap:

ALL4N: as capture cards, not for output

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AndyCap:

Start here, commencer par ici, start here, hier anfangen.

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ol_schoola:

ALL$N: i have a 350 that i bought way back at .15/.16 and use it as a capture only fevice

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ol_schoola:

sb device

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directhex:

ol_schoola, type the first couple of letters & hit tab

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ALL4N:

ol_schoola: not able to get tv-out on it?

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directhex:

ALL4N, why would he want to?

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AndyCap:

ol_schoola: most irc clients do tab expansion, unless your client is ol_schoola too. :)

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juski:

if there's still a chance to take the pvr350 back I'd do that, then just buy a pvr150 and a fx5200 or so

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directhex:

ALL4N, tv-out on a pvr350 is *bad*

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ol_schoola:

new schoola, it's Colloqiual for OSX

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ol_schoola:

AndyCap: it works, hadn't tried it yet!

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juski:

it's possible to get X working on the pvr350 with ivtv-fb but remember the disadvantages I listed

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anykey_:

Any has an idea why MythTV won't get a channel lock on my DVB-C card whilest the czap & cat combination works perfectly?

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juski:

if the excuse you're using the pvr350 is that your cpu is only like 500Mhz, forget all about that ;)

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juski:

anykey_: depends what kind of cable it is

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anykey_:

juski: hm?

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juski:

anykey_: mythtv is broken for some dvb-c setups

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juski:

e.g. in the UK

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anykey_:

hm, how to find out?

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juski:

anykey_: well, you know czap works already...

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Dibblah:

Hrmph. No, the so called service providers are broken in the UK ;)

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ALL4N:

juski: no, my CPU is 1ghz, so thats not the issue.. my problem is only one PCI slot on the mainboard.. I bought this mini-itx mainboard setup, and thought of using it as a combined fileserver/mythbox system

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Dibblah:

Yes, let's send out a NIT with _all_ of the regional broadcasts listed.

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anykey_:

juski: so? this isn't a cool solution for watching tv :D Should it work in myth when czap works?

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juski:

mini-itx boards usually have onboard Via graphics with hardware mpeg2 decoding AND TV out :)

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Dibblah:

anykey_: Define "doesn't work"...

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ALL4N:

juski: not mine :(

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juski:

anykey_: in theory it should work

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anykey_:

Dibblah: myth says it couldn't get a channel lock

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directhex:

Dibblah, claims income support & jobseekers' allowance

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juski:

ALL4N: you need ivtv-fb then

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juski:

RTFM on ivtvdriver.org

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Dibblah:

juski: Yes, and you love mini-ITX boards, too.

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juski:

they're shite is what they are

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Dibblah:

anykey_: Again, what does the mythbackend -v all show?

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ALL4N:

juski: thought so.. I did read, and I was able to add ivtv module... however, was not able to find ivtv-fb, and since documentation often is outdated, thought I'd ask where ppl might know the current status of things

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juski:

never buying one ever again

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anykey_:

Dibblah: let me have a look

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juski:

ALL4N: ivtvdriver.org

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juski:

damnit

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Dibblah:

So don't recommend them over '350s is all I'm suggesting ;)

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juski:

Dibblah: where did I say I was recommending them over anything?

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AndyCap:

Dibblah: well, if all you have is plague and cholera

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ALL4N:

juski: fine

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juski:

when my overdraft is cleared the epia board is going on ebay

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Dibblah:

juski: Okay, I misread :)

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ALL4N:

why hate the mini-itx boards in the first place? I think its neat

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juski:

ALL4N: they're underpowered even for playing back standard def. tv

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directhex:

juski, how about an enormously expensive socket 755 mini-itx board?

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directhex:

775

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AndyCap:

commell? ough

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directhex:

i think aopen do one now too

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juski:

they're overpriced for what they can't do too

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juski:

smallness isn't everything

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juski:

if you want miniature & fairly powerful buy a mac mini

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juski:

better looking than any frickin PC case any day

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directhex:

juski, absolutely agreed, but people always ignore me when i say a mac mini makes a great frontend :(

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juski:

you can spend a _lot_ more money trying to make a good looking quiet PC

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directhex:

http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=32#i945GMt – takes mobile core2... (socket 479, t7xxx series)

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directhex:

juski, yes you can. especially when some of us get heavy educational discount for personal purposes

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directhex:

juski, although i'm currently dying to know how work is progressing on ps3-optimized myth

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juski:

see Â£139 for just the motherboard

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juski:

exc VAT! shit!

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juski:

plus the CPU..

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juski:

plus ram..

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juski:

ouchy

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directhex:

yep

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anykey_:

Dibblah: http://www.pastebin.ca/699539

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directhex:

and the case – nice mini-ix cases cost a bomb

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juski:

there are no nice mini-itx cases

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anykey_:

Dibblah: (I needed to change video sources two times first, thats the first few messages)

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directhex:

http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=30 is sorta cool, in a minimalist appartment w/ flat teevee kind of way

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juski:

wtf? yuck

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juski:

where's the IR window?

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AndyCap:

who cares about IR. RF ftw!

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directhex:

who cares about RF? BT ftw!

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juski:

RF can't control my amp. ONE remote ftw!

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directhex:

get a better amp then! \o/

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juski:

amps with RF or BT remotes? roflmao

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directhex:

or get a PIC, a bluetooth chip, an rs232 port, an ir-blaster.....

[13:42:08]

directhex:

some string...

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directhex:

a pocket full of miracles...

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directhex:

macguyver...

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directhex:

and you're sorted!

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** AndyCap is already sorted. the amp doesn't do remotes. :) **

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anykey_:

Dibblah: any ideas?

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laga:

extents before:2574 after:1 DONE ino=7137350

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laga:

^^ heh, defragmenting my recordings FS ;)

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juski:

where the hell do Hush get their prices from anyway?

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directhex:

juski, if the market will bear the prices they charge...

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jarle:

AndyCap: looking at your edited tv_grab_no: "100 => 'viasat4.no'," I think the comma at the end should be removed for the last entry in the list...

[13:45:57]

AndyCap:

jarle: perl doesn't care, and I'm lazy when adding stuff to arrays and hashes. :)

[13:46:32]

AndyCap:

jarle: I'd like to know where the numbers come from though. probably db.no

[13:46:38]

jarle:

AndyCap: ahh, oki... I'm not into perl, was just comparing to the original..

[13:47:02]

jarle:

AndyCap: So how did you figure out the number though?

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AndyCap:

jarle: saves me getting errors about a missing , when adding more elements.

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AndyCap:

jarle: a couple of print statements in XMLTV.pm and tv_grab_no

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juski:

actual 146387, ideal 584, fragmentation factor 99.60%

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juski:

:O

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jarle:

AndyCap: yeah, I noticed those print statements, and was thinking this was in the original which I found a bit strange :)

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juski:

99.6% fragmentation is pretty bad I suppose

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laga:

juski: yes. heh.

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laga:

juski: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Optimizi . . . MySQL_Tweaks

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|Torg|:

juski, how was Greece?

[13:58:08]

juski:

|Torg|: excellent thanks

[13:58:44]

|Torg|:

ppl here were asking for you every day, you were missed

[14:00:09]

juski:

lol I bet they weren't

[14:00:26]

|Torg|:

well welcome back anyway

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magius_pendragon:

For some reason my upcomming recordings are not showing up.... i even tried deleting and re-making the recording schedule through the frontend gui, it found the program in the listing, but isn't comming up under upcomming recordings. Any idea why this might be?

[14:09:26]

|Torg|:

Recodings are found by title

[14:09:39]

|Torg|:

tilt eplus other critera you set (as options for the schedule)

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|Torg|:

what do you get your guide data with?

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magius_pendragon:

scheduledirect

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magius_pendragon:

and i went through the listings and picked a show, and found it that way

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|Torg|:

when you say you see the data in the guide, by what means are you doing this?

[14:10:27]

magius_pendragon:

but its still not comming up

[14:11:10]

magius_pendragon:

in mythfrontend, manage recordings -> schedule recordings -> program guide

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|Torg|:

is you FE and BE the same sytems or are the seperate?

[14:11:45]

magius_pendragon:

same system

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|Torg|:

what is the time set to on that system?

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magius_pendragon:

its the correct time

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magius_pendragon:

10:12 am, Sun Sept 16th (Timezone is US EDT)

[14:13:12]

|Torg|:

do it as the user who runs the Fe and as the user who runs the BE

[14:13:27]

|Torg|:

its posible, but unlikly, youi have two diffenrt time setups

[14:14:29]

magius_pendragon:

|Torg|: umm, not sure how to do that tbph. I can't su to mythtv because there's no home dir

[14:14:58]

magius_pendragon:

and it was working yesterday (until my computer turned off for some unknown reason)

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|Torg|:

which user has no home directory?

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magius_pendragon:

mythtv

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|Torg|:

go create it

[14:15:33]

|Torg|:

im suprised your frontend actualy works

[14:16:14]

|Torg|:

at the very very least you need /home/mythtv/.mythtv

[14:16:57]

magius_pendragon:

frontend is run as my user, backedn is run through an initscript, but needs mythtv:mythtv as ownder of the store directory, so i thought it ran as mythtv?

[14:17:00]

|Torg|:

without it you have no cache, no thmes, no plugin data, and probbly can not conntect to the database (its the default for mysql.txt)

[14:17:22]

|Torg|:

ps will tell you who it runs as

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|Torg|:

if you run mythbackend via a init script chances are its run as root (ther is nothing wrong with that)

[14:17:52]

magius_pendragon:

backedn is run as mythtv

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magius_pendragon:

according to ps

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|Torg|:

then I wonder why it hasnt crashed

[14:18:35]

|Torg|:

same thing about the database is trye for the BE as it is for the FE

[14:18:58]

|Torg|:

although it is posible yo have some compliation that puts it in /etc/mythtv

[14:19:20]

|Torg|:

did you look through the logs?

[14:19:30]

magius_pendragon:

wait... maybe its not runing as myth

[14:19:34]

magius_pendragon:

i think i did ps wrong

[14:19:35]

magius_pendragon:

one sec

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magius_pendragon:

okay, ps aux shows mythbackedn running as mythtv user

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magius_pendragon:

don't see any errors in the log

[14:22:19]

magius_pendragon:

except for a /dev/video0 misread and a couple codec's not found things

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|Torg|:

that wouldnt stop the BE from scheduling recordings, it could psoble stop it FROM recording but not the schedule

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** magius_pendragon nodes **

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magius_pendragon:

*nods

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|Torg|:

the BE dosnt need the FE to schedule

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|Torg|:

so not having a home directory for the FE user while bad, isnt part of this problem

[14:23:57]

|Torg|:

still tho you need to go create one

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magius_pendragon:

i run FE as myself

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magius_pendragon:

and i have a .mythtv directory in my home directory

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|Torg|:

as long as yoru confortable with running it by hand, thats fine

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magius_pendragon:

umm... okay for some reason rmmod ivtv + modprobe ivtv fixed it...

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|Torg|:

a BE has to run a while beofer it schedules as well, its part of teh startup tasks but I know my own system can take up to 5 mins

[14:26:20]

** tjcarter wonders if MythFrontend can compile for iPhone =D **

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magius_pendragon:

thanks for your help |Torg|, seems to be working now

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tjcarter:

<-- warped

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|Torg|:

sure tjcarter I run it on my Ipaq all the time

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|Torg|:

I think juski has a cookie tin that can play HDTV too :P

[14:32:15]

tjcarter:

|Torg|: hey, the iPhone can now be AMP server

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juski:

I use mythfrontend on my linux-ish mp3 player stick all the time

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|Torg|:

well the CPU isnt really known, its belived to be a PCA320 at up to 800Mhz

[14:33:22]

|Torg|:

you could convert teh video and upload it, but run a frontend off it, no

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tjcarter:

The CPU is known to be an ARM ;)

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|Torg|:

sorry PVA

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|Torg|:

err dammit I need more coffee PXA320 http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/application/pxa320.jsp

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tjcarter:

compiler works for it, so beyond that who cares? =)

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juski:

extents before:526 after:1 DONE ino=134217908

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juski:

doh

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|Torg|:

so go cross compile myth :P

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|Torg|:

juski xfs?

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laga:

juski: xfs_fsr <3

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juski:

laga: I am doing that now. was over 99% frag'd

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juski:

last did it over 3 months ago

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|Torg|:

xfs pissed me off one too many times, esp since i comony record two ATSC shows at the same time. I dumped it and am simply using ext

[14:36:51]

juski:

ext3 makes my box iobound

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|Torg|:

anything makes mine, its that stupid sata card I have

[14:37:30]

|Torg|:

I thought it was raid5 on it, I now think its just a bus bottleneck

[14:37:56]

|Torg|:

why in the hell do MB makers not make multiple busses in x86 boards?

[14:38:31]

|Torg|:

sorry mutiple PCI busses, two slots to one bus dedicated

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juski:

cos they like to make cheap?

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|Torg|:

aye

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** juski wonders where all the bash commands go when screen is running **

[14:40:16]

juski:

not bash_history

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|Torg|:

commands go?

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juski:

yeah the history of stuff I do in my shell

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|Torg|:

in the screen pipe

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|Torg|:

its sitting in memory, do you mean why cant you see it in history?

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juski:

yeah

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juski:

presumably not until screen is terminated

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|Torg|:

exit the shell, histry isnt written untill you exit

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juski:

ah

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IamEthos:

Tanthrix, this is not digital cable I am talking about

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IamEthos:

this is plain, old analog cable

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anykey_:

Dibblah: did you have a look at the log?

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|Torg|:

is there a tool to tell the speed of the PCI bus?

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tjcarter:

Was the Highlander movie on last night as terrible as it looks from the voiceover at the beginning?

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|Torg|:

anyone know of an ATSC PCI-X card that works in linux?

[14:52:28]

Dibblah:

You don't mean PCI-X, I'm guessing.

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nordle:

mythfrontend --reset saved my sanity :) Thanks for that! Just a quick question on the DVD playback commands: mythdvd.DVDPlayerCommand is triggered my Alt+E, what is TitlePlayCommand triggered by and what does it do? (these are settings from the settings table in the database).

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|Torg|:

yes I mean PCI-X not pci express

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Dibblah:

Choose one of PCIe, PCI 3.3v.

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|Torg|:

I mean a card that runs at 66 mhz and posible 133

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Dibblah:

Unlikely. And that's still not PCI-X ;)

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|Torg|:

not a PCI card that is at 33 mhz (my ATSC) that is ginding performace on my one and only pci bus to a halt

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Dibblah:

PCI-X is electrically twice the width of PCI.

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|Torg|:

Capabilities: [60] PCI-X non-bridge device.

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|Torg|:

that

[14:53:57]

|Torg|:

not Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 64, IRQ 21

[14:54:11]

|Torg|:

I just figured out why my riad card is so damn slow

[14:54:24]

Dibblah:

Check /proc/interrupts

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Dibblah:

What's the card?

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SiD3WiNDR:

Dibblah: yet pci-x is different from 66MHz 64bit PCI

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|Torg|:

whcih card Dibblah I just sowed you two

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BULLE:

SiD3WiNDR: there is a whole family of pci-x slots, all from 32bit 33mhz up to 64bit 133mhz or so

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AndyCap:

BULLE: if you say 32-Bit 66 Mhz and up I'll agree

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BULLE:

AndyCap: hmmm, i thought some old machine at school had 33mhz 32bit slots, but i might be wrong about that

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AndyCap:

BULLE: got to leave some room for PCI

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Dibblah:

BULLE: That's standard PCI...

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Dibblah:

|Torg|: I mean which card do you have.

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Dibblah:

That is causing you speed issues.

[14:57:20]

|Torg|:

air2pc technisat

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|Torg|:

2 of them

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|Torg|:

0000:01:07.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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Dibblah:

I have 4 skystar 2s. And they are fine.

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|Torg|:

I dint say they dont work :P

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|Torg|:

I said its tiying down the bus speed

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|Torg|:

there two 33mhz cards sitting on my 66mhz bus

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Dibblah:

Ah. Right. You put it on the same bus.

[14:58:13]

|Torg|:

slowest card sets the speed

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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|Torg|:

I put in on the same bus as I have no choice

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BULLE:

AndyCap: he, there seems to be 533mhz pcix slots nowadays

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|Torg|:

unless you can find me a MB with dedicated busses and backpalne speed

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Dibblah:

The easiest option is to buy a newer motherboard.

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|Torg|:

if there is such and animal id assume its a databcetner MB anyways

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Dibblah:

What's the RAID card?

[14:59:39]

Dibblah:

And what sort of RAID?

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ol_schoola:

look at tyans and supermicros

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|Torg|:

a highpoint 1820

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Dibblah:

Easiest option will be (when port multipliers get into mainline) to just buy a commercial board and use the onboard PCIe adapter.

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Dibblah:

That way, up to 20 SATA drives.

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Dibblah:

On a PCIe lane or two, instead of the saturated PCI bus.

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|Torg|:

yes I realise what im looking at is a commerical board, im not sure if I want to do that to get rid of some io wait tho

[15:02:01]

|Torg|:

I could jsut offload the atsc tuners to the two pcie 1x slots tho

[15:02:22]

Dibblah:

I wouldn't recommend server boards at all, though.

[15:02:28]

Dibblah:

Commercial as in retail.

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|Torg|:

or get a 6mhz atsc tuner, what I was orgiaonally going to do

[15:02:42]

Dibblah:

Standard AM2 motherboard / C2D motherboard.

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|Torg|:

Im thinking this is like a $800 board

[15:03:01]

Dibblah:

Ebay refund -> buy $80 one.

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|Torg|:

umm Dibblah this IS a AM2 mb

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|Torg|:

it has 2x pcie 1x slots, one pcix 16 that I put the vieo card in, and 3 PCI slots

[15:05:05]

|Torg|:

I know for a fact the PCI slots are all on the same bus, well lspci tells me so

[15:05:21]

|Torg|:

I belive the video card is on its own, from lspci again

[15:05:36]

|Torg|:

I dont know if the pcie 1x cards are, I dont have anything plugged in

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|Torg|:

I cant tell how fast my PCIX bus is running, but I can tell how fast the cards plugged in are

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|Torg|:

and two of them run at 33mhz and one runs at 66

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|Torg|:

so I either get a bord with dedcated pci slots, get two pcie 1x tuners, get two atsc PCIx 66mhz tuners, or simply live with the IO wait

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|Torg|:

for some reason im tending tward the latter

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SiD3WiNDR:

ehm

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georgek:

good morning folks

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SiD3WiNDR:

something's odd with your explanation ;/

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SiD3WiNDR:

[16|17:03:59] < |Torg|> it has 2x pcie 1x slots, one pcix 16 that I put the vieo card in, and 3 PCI slots

[15:09:20]

SiD3WiNDR:

I assume the middle one is pcie x16

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SiD3WiNDR:

so which are the pci-x slots you are talking about? :)

[15:09:32]

|Torg|:

yes SiD3WiNDR

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|Torg|:

in order pcie 1x, pci1 1x, pcie 16x, pci-x, pci-x, pci-x

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SiD3WiNDR:

ah

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SiD3WiNDR:

which board is that?

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|Torg|:

pcie 1x slots are empty, 16x has a vieo card that is unused, the three pcix has two atsc tuners and one highpoint raid car

[15:10:48]

|Torg|:

ECS nforce4m-A

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dageshi:

I've just setup myth, I've got a nova dvb-t 500 pci and it seems to be working fine but I can't record any of the digital radio stations, I believe setting up some kind of radio profile would help this, but I can't find how to do this, any ideas?

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my2keh:

anyone have videos that play really fast, even after changing the time stretch?

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Dibblah:

If it's an 1820, then it's soft RAID anyway.

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tjcarter:

They make PCIe tuners?

[15:12:19]

|Torg|:

yes Dibblah thats why I run storage groups now

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Dibblah:

So if it's RAID5, then that's going to be expensive :(

[15:12:27]

Dibblah:

Ah, right.

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|Torg|:

tjcarter no, i dont think so, its why I ased for pcix ones

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|Torg|:

the raid5 softraid wasnt so bad tho, it just took about 15% of the cpu

[15:13:28]

Dibblah:

... I used to use the 'onboard' softRAID.

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Dibblah:

Until the card marked the _wrong_ drives as failed on a RAID5.

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|Torg|:

whats worse is the bar has 4 nforce sata ports (sata 1 tho) that cant seem to recognise my drives, I think the highpoint card somehow changed them

[15:14:33]

Dibblah:

Nothing quite like hexediting a volume label. Luckily, it was somewhat documented in the fakeraid stuff.

[15:15:53]

my2keh:

NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!

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my2keh:

ack!

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my2keh:

can't be good

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|Torg|:

I cant, well I cant get to the devcices if I can start them on the bus

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|Torg|:

linux dosnt see a sda evice to go edit

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: I am thinking lately that I need to do the soft RAID think across a network at some point

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|Torg|:

im thinking I shoudl go out and get a damn scsi-2 raid encosure more and more

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Dibblah:

|Torg|: Seriously. Wait for 2.6.24 and maybe port mulitplier support will be in ;)

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately, it means buying another SATA controller. But the cheapest of the bunch of PCIe ones works fine ;)

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|Torg|:

Dibblah its a mater of bits down the bus and latency, I dont think any softwware can fix this

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|Torg|:

its a hardware issue

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Dibblah:

Eh?

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Dibblah:

PCI-e -> SATA -> Port multiplier -> 5 x SATA drives.

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|Torg|:

my problems are from a underclocked sata card

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Dibblah:

I'm not suggesting a software fix.

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|Torg|:

its not how there configures, not the rai set, not how they are seen

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Dibblah:

I'm suggesting waiting until hardware support for port multipliers is in the kernel, then just using them :)

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Dibblah:

They're a whole bunch cheaper than your RAID card.

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Dibblah:

And PCIe.

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mofu:

anyone had issues with mythcommflag jobs running on a frontend/backend slave causing stuttering on playback from the master backend??

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mofu:

seems like a network issue, not cpu

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Dibblah:

Wired network?

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mofu:

yes wired, but an extra switch upstairs

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|Torg|:

yes Dibblah but if my drives cant been sen by the onboard controlers, why shoudl I belvei a mutiplexer can?

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Dibblah:

mofu: 100Mbits?

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Dibblah:

|Torg|: PCIe SATA card.

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mofu:

yes 100

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mofu:

no way should i be saturating 100 Mbit, maybe backend disk issue, but that's even RAID0 with to SATA drives on independent channels

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mofu:

with two (2) SATA . . . .

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mofu:

I set the option to run mythcommflag only on the recording host and it fixed the stuttering.

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|Torg|:

Dibblah I dont think you follow what I mean by the highpoint card overwrote teh labes. Unless you know a way to recover those drives I can not use them in anythign BUT the highpoint card

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Dibblah:

I have a 1820a.

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Dibblah:

And it doesn't do that ;)

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Dibblah:

I have 16 Seagate drives that have been used with those cards.

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|Torg|:

ok well my drives show up as blank in the bios, linux claims it cant start a deive (altho it cant see it)

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Dibblah:

All of them still work with a different controller.

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|Torg|:

I plug them into my highpint card and it can see them it does start them and thye work in legacy mode

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|Torg|:

none of them work on a differnt controller

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Dibblah:

What disk manufacturer?

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|Torg|:

well the only one differnt controller I have the onboard

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|Torg|:

Western Digital

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Dibblah:

Hmm. Don't have diagnostics for them :(

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|Torg|:

nor do I, seatools refuses to talk to them

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|Torg|:

the ones they have for download seem to require windows

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chairman:

Hi, does anyone here use the transmitter on a mceusb2 device? I want to learn a remote with irrecord and use the transmitter to send it but I can't record it :(

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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|Torg|:

id assume this is a lable issue, but I cant get to them to relable them

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Dibblah:

The transmitter works fine.

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Dibblah:

However.

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chairman:

Dibblah: how have you set it up?

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Dibblah:

There's 2 recievers in the MCEUSB2 – long and short range.

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Dibblah:

Only the short range supports 'raw' capture.

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Dibblah:

... Which, AFAIK, is not supported in LIRC.

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Dibblah:

So you can only use it with RC6 devices.

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|Torg|:

rc6?

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chairman:

hmm

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Dibblah:

rc6.

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Dibblah:

It's like RC5, but extended.

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|Torg|:

ok other then being my shutdown runlevel, whats rc6 :)

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Dibblah:

Philips (ISTR) remote protocol.

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|Torg|:

ahh ok

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chairman:

hmm

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chairman:

I get Hold down an arbitrary button.

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chairman:

.......irrecord: error reading '/dev/lirc0'

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chairman:

I can see that there is some lircd conf files for other samsung remotes

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chairman:

on the lirc homepage. So I suppose it should work

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Dibblah:

chairman: I'm pretty sure that's not going to work.

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chairman:

okay :(

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Dibblah:

If you need to learn a remote, use another receiver, I think.

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Dibblah:

Are you supplying an existing configuration file for a similar remote to irrecord?

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chairman:

Dibblah: no

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chairman:

I can try that

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Dibblah:

Yeah.

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chairman:

is there another way to make a conf file?

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chairman:

convert from another system or something like that?

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chairman:

I have logitech remote, and that remote has it's own code for turning off the tv and another code for turning it on so called discrete codes

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BULLE:

Dibblah: uhm, so what you are saying is that the mceusb2 cant be used to grab info via irrecord or what ?

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Dibblah:

I'm fairly sure it can't.

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Dibblah:

But I'd be glad to find otherwise :)

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BULLE:

well, i have used my mceusb2 to grab codes for another remote

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Dibblah:

RC5 remote?

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BULLE:

dunno what protocol the other remote uses, its an oem satbox from my cableprovider

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BULLE:

Dibblah: no idea what protocol it uses to be honest

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Dibblah:

RC5/6 ISTR is fine.

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BULLE:

Dibblah: i had to use irrecord in raw mode to get something that worked

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BULLE:

Dibblah: how do i tell if the raw codes i dumped are rc5/rc6 ?

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BULLE:

would be nice to know

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BULLE:

flags RAW_CODES|CONST_LENGTH is the flags irrecord picked for me

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willcooke:

juski, you still about?

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willcooke:

I'm looking in the myth sql database for a recording I made yesterday. I can see the base filename, but what I can't work out is how I find out which storage group is was saved in to. Any ideas?

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|Torg|:

yes that record has the same storage group name in it

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|Torg|:

proobly "default"

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|Torg|:

and your databse has a table called storagegroup

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|Torg|:

in it is one or more records with the profile of "default"

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willcooke:

I've got a couple of storage groups, over a couple of backends. The record for the file I'm interested in has a storage group of "Default", but that seems to apply to all my storage groups (with id's 1, 2 and 3)

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|Torg|:

there set by host

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willcooke:

I can see my storage groups have an ID, but that ID doesnt appear in the entry for the file I;'m looking at

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|Torg|:

select from storagegroup where hostname="<host>" and greoupname="Default"

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|Torg|:

the ID is a unique filed for the record, NOT for the recording

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|Torg|:

they are setup up with groupname

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willcooke:

Oooooooooooo. (I think!)

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willcooke:

Thanks!

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willcooke:

I'll try it and see what happens

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zachtib:

hey, i'm looking to buy a new capture card, will the hauppage wintv pvr-150 work well with myth?

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willcooke:

Sorry |Torg| I still don't get it. :(

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|Torg|:

mysql> select title, storagegroup from recorded limit 1;

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|Torg|:

| title | storagegroup |

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|Torg|:

| Building Green | LiveTV |

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|Torg|:

you want to find that tile, go into the storaggroup table, look uo the profile "LiveTV" for the host

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alsoconfused:

zachtib: the hauppage PVR (150,250,350,500) cards work like a dream, but check the supported hardware list anyway. IIRC, there are a few revisions to watch out for

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willcooke:

|Torg|, for example: "SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE starttime=xxx AND chanid=yyyyy"

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zachtib:

alsoconfused, that's what i had heard, i'll go look now

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willcooke:

|Torg|, gives me the base filename, but then how do I work out which of the two storage groups it's been written to?

[16:13:56]

|Torg|:

|Torg|, for example: "SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE starttime=xxx AND chanid=yyyyy"

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|Torg|:

basename is a field

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|Torg|:

so is storagegroup

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|Torg|:

"SELECT basename, storagegroup FROM recorded WHERE starttime=xxx AND chanid=yyyyy"

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alsoconfused:

zachtib: fwiw, i've been using a pvr-250 with myth for at least 4 years.

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|Torg|:

I suggest you go learn about relational databases, this is way to basic for mythtv

[16:14:50]

willcooke:

|Torg|, :) Will do!

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|Torg|:

every record in every table has relation to some other record in some other table (well not all of to, but much of it does)

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alsoconfused:

I just updated to 0.20.2 and schedulesdirect. Thanks to everyone for making it easy!

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|Torg|:

a relational cart of the databse is the eyecandy of a DBA

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ol_schoola:

chart

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|Torg|:

they plot them out on gigantic plotters and hang them on the wall, the same as the netowrk guys do their lan

[16:16:54]

willcooke:

each to their own

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ol_schoola:

each table is a rectangal with it's field names in it

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ol_schoola:

there are lines with arrows from field name in one table to a reference field in another table

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ol_schoola:

thus indicating relationships from table to table

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ol_schoola:

consider a list of people and their phone numbers

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willcooke:

But what I don't get is why store the storage group name instead of the storage group's UID?

[16:19:07]

ol_schoola:

one person cvan have several phone numbers so i create a second table with a phonenum field, a phonetype field, and a personid field

[16:20:06]

zachtib:

alsoconfused, where is this database?

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zachtib:

i cant seem to find it

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ol_schoola:

there's usually a good reason a dev does it the way they do

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|Torg|:

willcooke go look at http://www.pastebin.ca/699668

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zachtib:

or, if someone can tell from the link, will this card work: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=202 . . . ;dcaid=15890

[16:21:21]

|Torg|:

the first is the layout (well sorta) of the recorded table (things that my cards record) the second is the storagegroup table;

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zachtib:

i saw on wikipedia that a few revisions of the 150 had problems with linux

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|Torg|:

now selct any record from teh recorded table and look at teh hostname and storagegroup column

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|Torg|:

for EVERY hostname/storagegroup pair there MUST be a corresponding recordedgroup reocrd

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|Torg|:

do NOT get confused that columns and table names do not have to be unique

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ol_schoola:

zachtib: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category . . . apture_cards

[16:22:39]

** |Torg| could argue it was bad databse layout **

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ol_schoola:

zachtib: yes, some early 150's and 500's had a wonky tuner module

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willcooke:

|Torg|, Let me post some pastebin as a better example of my confusion...

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|Torg|:

ok go on

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zachtib:

how can i tell if a wintv-150 is actually a hvr-1600?

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willcooke:

|Torg|, http://www.pastebin.ca/699684

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|Torg|:

ok so what are you confusd by?

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willcooke:

How I find the "dirname" for my recording

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|Torg|:

what is the hostname that recorded it and its storagegroup?

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willcooke:

hostname="bertha" , storagegroup="Default"

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|Torg|:

what dirnames in your storagroup table have that attribute?

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willcooke:

Two of them

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|Torg|:

err those

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|Torg|:

which two?

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willcooke:

1 | Default | bertha | /mythtv/tv-disk1/ |

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willcooke:

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|Torg|:

ok what is the filename?

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willcooke:

1700_20070916020000.mpg

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|Torg|:

go look in http://www.pastebin.ca/699668 for 1700_20070916020000.mpg, is it there?

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|Torg|:

aack

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|Torg|:

go look in /mythtv/tv-disk1/

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willcooke:

but the file is actually in disk2

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|Torg|:

in /mythtv/tv-disk2/ ?

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willcooke:

that's where is *physically* is

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|Torg|:

yes, and this confuses you why?

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willcooke:

because a) I'm an idiot, and b) with out physically checking both locations I can't just tell where it should be

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|Torg|:

in either

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|Torg|:

its a storage group, storge to those directoeires was chosen by you beackend when it recorded them

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|Torg|:

are you confused becae you cant tell if its in /mythtv/tv-disk1/ or /mythtv/tv-disk2/?

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willcooke:

So – what we're saying here is that the database can only tell me it will be in EITHER <here> OR <here>

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willcooke:

yes

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|Torg|:

no the databse looks in BOTH

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|Torg|:

thats what you told it to do when you setup a storage grup

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|Torg|:

use these directories to store things recorded with the profile Default

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|Torg|:

myth took that profile, looked at the two dirctories and based upon few decisions wrote the file out

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willcooke:

So, it just sticks it in one of the dir's in the group and then if you want to find the file you have to check each of those dir's one by one until you find the file you're looking for?

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|Torg|:

there is no cute, easy way, to determine exactly where that file is withough searching both

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willcooke:

BINGO!

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willcooke:

That's what I was getting at!

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|Torg|:

willcooke you act as if that is a diffcult task :P

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willcooke:

:)

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|Torg|:

find /mythtv -name "1700_20070916020000.mpg"

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willcooke:

It is for me because I was /expecting/ that it would **KNOW** and I could ask it

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|Torg|:

it DOES know

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willcooke:

sort of

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|Torg|:

no exactly

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willcooke:

?#

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|Torg|:

ask myth to locate teh file, it will say its in storagegroup "Default"

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|Torg|:

ask myth what storagegroup "Default"is and it will tell you those direcotries

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willcooke:

but it won't tell me *WHICH* of those dirs?

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|Torg|:

myth dosnt know if they are two drives, myth dosnt know if they are two slices, myth only knows it can write to teh two directories

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|Torg|:

I can see the concept of round robin storage confuses you

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|Torg|:

while its algorithem isnt exactly round robin, the effect is similar

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willcooke:

So – the mythfrontend says to the backend play me this recording and the backend says OK, let's have a look in this first dir....... nope, it's not there, let's try the next one......... oh look, there it is....

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|Torg|:

not exacly, it thinks the storage group as one thing, not two

[16:46:05]

|Torg|:

but that is, in effect, what happens

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willcooke:

right! My confusion stems from me expecting (incorrectly) that the absolute path would be stored some where in the database

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nordle:

Juski, you said earlier that mplayer was lame, why so?

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willcooke:

thanks |Torg| I am now enlightened.

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|Torg|:

np

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|Torg|:

now that you know how it works you can use that knledge to your advantage

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willcooke:

So in effect you can move files from dir to dir in the same storage group and myth doesn't get upset

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willcooke:

|Torg|, I will do!

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|Torg|:

move evrything from one directory to the toehr (assuming you have enogh room), delete teh sond line from the storage gorup adn restart myth

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|Torg|:

you then have all your storage and as much time as you have room on that one drive to go replace the one you removed

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willcooke:

if the drive is going bad for example?

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|Torg|:

yes

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|Torg|:

or maybe you want to replace a 250G with a 500G

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willcooke:

The light bulb has turned on!

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willcooke:

That's a very clever idea!

[16:50:15]

|Torg|:

its not fault tolerant, its not highly available, but it is quite flexiable

[16:50:37]

|Torg|:

willcooke im glad you thing so, its a VERY old idea, its not new by any means

[16:51:23]

willcooke:

Works better than a lot of newer ideas I expect, e.g. spanning a partition across two drives

[16:51:36]

willcooke:

s/w raid

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willcooke:

etc

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|Torg|:

I probbably shoudt get onto my "why LVM sucks" sopbox :P

[16:52:42]

|Torg|:

but yes you dont need to have special drivers, some crewed up md moving, raid setups to eat cpu

[16:52:54]

|Torg|:

you can however loose data with it

[16:53:06]

willcooke:

I've lost a lot of data with lvm!

[16:53:07]

juski:

nordle: mplayer is probably ok for playing _files_ but compared to other players it sucks at dvd playback

[16:53:10]

|Torg|:

then again you have to consider what you can tolerate in data loss

[16:53:25]

|Torg|:

I work in DR and BCP, implictly

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|Torg|:

I guarantee you, if you go into any comany every department will say they need 24x7 uptime, with 100% reliability

[16:54:18]

juski:

|Torg|: even home users want that :)

[16:54:21]

|Torg|:

it is imposible to get 100% uptime, even if you think otherwise (well if you sell servers mostly)

[16:54:32]

|Torg|:

juski I can give it to you, about $25,000,000 US sound ok?

[16:54:42]

** juski digs into his back pocket **

[16:54:46]

juski:

sure!

[16:54:51]

nordle:

juski: I'm running svn from a couple of weeks ago, seems pretty good. I especially like the crop and dsize combination of filters, means I can actually watch 1.35:1 movies on my 1.778:1 panel without giant black lines.

[16:55:01]

|Torg|:

there is NO it problem I can not resolve given enough time and money

[16:55:11]

juski:

filters? eew

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|Torg|:

may be more time then you will live however :P

[16:55:41]

juski:

and cropping 1.35:1 movies? ffs man

[16:55:55]

juski:

there's a good reason films are shot in cinemascope etc

[16:56:11]

juski:

ducking weirdo

[16:57:26]

nordle:

juski: There might be a good reason, probably something to do with giant 10000000000x1777770000000 size screen its played on in the movies. But at home, If I pay for a movie, I like it to fill the screen, I didn't buy a TV to watch black lines :)

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willcooke:

juski, |Torg| this is my answer to data security for my recordings. http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1609071756qf4.jpg

[16:58:32]

juski:

hmmm that looks quiet

[16:58:48]

willcooke:

It'll be better when it's in the loft

[16:59:03]

|Torg|:

willcooke I use somethig very similar, but with three 500G drives

[16:59:17]

|Torg|:

I use, well will use, my old 2TB array for netbackup

[16:59:17]

willcooke:

Nice!

[16:59:20]

juski:

anyway aren't only lame lucasfilm movies put on dvd in 1.35:1 these days? ;)

[16:59:28]

|Torg|:

depends on if I get off my lazy as and set it up

[17:00:05]

nordle:

Juski: The other reason I use mplayer is because I've written a little script which passes the Title number of the main movie to mplayer. So I press a button and jump straight to the flick, no having to sit through Piracy, adverts, menus etc etc

[17:00:19]

willcooke:

That box has only got 100GB RAID which I use for my photos and mp3's, the rest is on 2 300GB drives that I back up to 2 other 300GB drives

[17:00:24]

|Torg|:

nordle I just use the skip key, stil tho id like to se what you ahve

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|Torg|:

willcooke I have 5x 500G drives for the raid array, and 3x 500G for the backend

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juski:

sounds pretty industrious. For the amount of dvds I own there's little point

[17:01:01]

willcooke:

WO!

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willcooke:

WOW!

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|Torg|:

did I meanitn ATSC is a disk hog?

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willcooke:

It's amazing how quick it fills up!

[17:01:25]

juski:

and even for the DVDs I own, there aren't many I'd find myself watching much

[17:01:27]

|Torg|:

and my wife likes keeping entire seasons online

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nordle:

|Torg|: #!/bin/sh

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nordle:

lsdvd /dev/hdc | grep Longest | while read L; do L2=${L#'Longest track: '} && echo $L2; done

[17:01:44]

juski:

this defrag is taking a long time

[17:01:56]

shaggyoaf:

Hi, everybody. Does anybody know how to get myth to change channels?

[17:02:07]

juski:

shaggyoaf: use the channel up & channel down buttons

[17:02:26]

shaggyoaf:

google seems to think it's space/enter but that does "position saved" and "position cleared"

[17:02:33]

shaggyoaf:

juski: yeah, those don't seem to do anything

[17:02:39]

nordle:

|Torg|: Then its just mplayer -dvd-device /dev/hdc dvd://`longest_track_script.sh`

[17:02:43]

shaggyoaf:

juski: irw shows them to be chan-up and chan-down (or something like that)

[17:02:53]

shaggyoaf:

juski: so I think lirc is working but Myth isn't responding

[17:03:05]

juski:

shaggyoaf: so you'd better rephrase the question then!

[17:03:28]

juski:

ah fuck this

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nordle:

He can be a moody git sometimes can't he

[17:04:32]

laga:

heh

[17:04:58]

nordle:

Does anyone have any issues with the rewind feature of Internal player on DVD's?

[17:05:50]

laga:

great. i can't find a news channel on my mythtv for some reason. i'm now resorting to the astrology channel to get a news scroller

[17:06:26]

|Torg|:

you dont get Fox news?

[17:06:44]

laga:

fox news is not broadcast in germany AFAIK

[17:06:52]

|Torg|:

you must watch Fox news, its 100% accurate and unbiased

[17:07:10]

laga:

heh

[17:07:26]

|Torg|:

my problem isnt that I cant get news

[17:07:44]

|Torg|:

I cant get news that isnt highly tainted, superficail, and corrrect

[17:08:02]

nordle:

surely you mean incorrect

[17:08:23]

|Torg|:

yes, umm thats a dubble negative, but ok

[17:08:35]

|Torg|:

hell where I live my nighbors think Fox news is liberal

[17:09:03]

nordle:

wow, where you live, china?

[17:09:23]

|Torg|:

im 100% serious when I tell you about the guy who lives down the street who thinkgs global warming is a libreal conspiracy

[17:09:26]

|Torg|:

no Texas

[17:10:03]

nordle:

I luv fox news, I only ever see it when visiting the US, its like a comedy channel....if the implications weren't so serious.

[17:10:07]

GreyFoxx:

What does he think the real goal of the conspiracy is ? :)

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nordle:

Its a conspiracy by Air-Con manufacturers to sell more units

[17:10:47]

|Torg|:

GreyFoxx Im sorta afrid to ask, but I think its along the lines of costing him more for gassoline

[17:11:12]

|Torg|:

after all $2.50 a gallon is so damn expensive

[17:11:20]

nordle:

I pay $8/gallon

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|Torg|:

no shit nordle, I was being facetious

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nordle:

I know you were, I was just saying how much I paid, that was all.

[17:12:22]

|Torg|:

I tell my neighbors everyone else in the world buys it by the liter, thats like buying it in quarts

[17:12:55]

|Torg|:

my neighers think im silly becase I drive about 50 mile sto get biodiesel

[17:13:09]

|Torg|:

unfortunaly I can only get B90, as B100 isnt legal in the US

[17:13:51]

nordle:

At the moment its slightly cheaper than a few months ago. Right now its around 92p/litre, 418p/gallon, so around $8. Have you tried sunflower oil?

[17:14:15]

juski:

well thanks to Bush, food crops are going to be put aside to grow biofuels – and the real rub is that biofuels can end up putting more crap into the atmosphere during production than gas

[17:14:16]

|Torg|:

its ma from soybean oil I think

[17:14:40]

|Torg|:

juski I dint say it was a good solution, just a better one :P

[17:14:46]

juski:

it's not better

[17:14:57]

juski:

well it might be if you want to pay more for your food :-\

[17:15:11]

|Torg|:

my biodiels puts out marketly less polutants that perto diesel

[17:15:20]

juski:

and I'd say cheap food is more important than cheap fuel ffs

[17:15:22]

|Torg|:

I dont eat soybeans :P

[17:15:30]

|Torg|:

but yes juski, i agree

[17:15:45]

juski:

|Torg|: yeah but to produce biofuels takes more energy

[17:15:47]

juski:

it's crazy

[17:15:50]

nordle:

Over here, it started to become popular to go into a supermarket and just buy the big 5litre drums of cooking oil. It was 1/3 of the price of diesel, and apparently as long as you didn't have a turbo, it worked fine. The gov cottened on to this and wacked a big tax on cooking oil. Its still more like 45p ltire compared to 90p though.

[17:15:53]

juski:

just ban cars

[17:16:22]

|Torg|:

yes nordle when it comes to that ill by the oil directly and splash blend it

[17:16:25]

juski:

ban cars and make viable, reliable & cheap public transport

[17:16:58]

|Torg|:

juski you while that sounds good its really not viable where I live

[17:17:00]

nordle:

bio (I was a stock holder) is only really cost effective when oil is over $80/barrell crude.

[17:17:28]

nordle:

So its likely that business will find another route soon, fuel cells looking to be the thing.

[17:17:52]

juski:

we've got to stop this ducking crazy gas guzzling consumerist culture of ours or we're all gonna die before our time

[17:17:59]

laga:

SUVs FTW

[17:18:06]

|Torg|:

nordle id like to belvie that but as it alreayd has been proven over the last 30+ years there are no fuel cells

[17:18:22]

juski:

back to the 1900s we go :D

[17:18:25]

|Torg|:

id prefer nimh battery cars, fuled by eletriclyt from wind farms

[17:18:37]

juski:

no ubuntu, the world will be a less nooby place

[17:18:44]

|Torg|:

we have them both as technologies now, expect the first was bought by the oil companies

[17:19:13]

nordle:

I saw a thing on TV yesterday from Honda. Looked like a civic, ran on hydrogen, produced water vapour. Thats pretty cool! Although in the UK it would suck, it would rain even more than it does now!

[17:19:17]

juski:

what is the ducking fascination with automobiles anyway? I've never been a fan – it's just a necessary evil for me

[17:19:38]

|Torg|:

nordle where do you get hydroigen from?

[17:19:47]

juski:

if I could get a job 20 minutes walk from where I live I would, believe me

[17:19:59]

juski:

|Torg|: from the air

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juski:

from water

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: It does something to seperate it from water

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laga:

juski: would you still drive? :)

[17:20:15]

juski:

laga: I'd sell my car

[17:20:22]

GreyFoxx:

I think I saw the same show he is mentioning

[17:20:24]

|Torg|:

all that takes enerygy and all of it looses energy along the wau

[17:20:29]

juski:

cars are nothing but money pits anyway

[17:20:36]

juski:

|Torg|: bingo!

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|Torg|:

annd juski I drive my truck to the airport and get on a plane most often

[17:20:51]

|Torg|:

take a wild guess how much polution that jet makes vs my truck

[17:21:08]

|Torg|:

so even if you banned cars you still hve trains and planes

[17:21:09]

juski:

well, sack plane travel too

[17:21:14]

juski:

and trains

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nordle:

Fair point, hydro is not wide place, but in Japan they have more and more filling stations. The dude from Honda reckoned that in Europe people might just buy monthly deliveries to have tanks at home filled up. Not sure how feasible this is though. Plus hydrogen is VERY explosive with oxygen..... although so is gas/petrol...

[17:21:32]

juski:

let us all live in the village we're born and remain there for the remainder of our natural lives :D

[17:21:48]

|Torg|:

hydrogen is no more dangrous then gassoline, I could arge it was actually safer as it disapates faster

[17:21:51]

nordle:

You clearly haven't been to Slough

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ol_schoola:

|Torg|: compare the plane to each passengers equivalent emissions from driving where they have to go

[17:22:09]

juski:

nordle: I have. that's why I'd advocate living in _civilised_ society

[17:22:15]

sxealex:

hydrogen is way more dangerous than gasoline

[17:22:20]

nordle:

:)

[17:22:25]

sxealex:

u cant store it in liquid

[17:22:37]

sxealex:

at least effectively

[17:22:58]

sxealex:

if u drop a match in gasoline

[17:23:00]

sxealex:

it will go ou

[17:23:01]

sxealex:

t

[17:23:05]

juski:

anyway, forget taxing gas & all that – what about all these stupid ricer PCs? put a stop to that right now :)

[17:23:10]

nordle:

We should all ride Honda CB-125's, mine did 99mpg on a bad day

[17:23:24]

|Torg|:

sxealex ill tel you what, you go try that and well stand back a resecible distance and watch, ok

[17:23:44]

sxealex:

gasoline as a liquid is not a flamable

[17:23:50]

sxealex:

the gas is

[17:23:51]

juski:

ricer machines with their 1200W PSUs & dual quad core hyper bollocks slidey VGA pathway bullshit thingies

[17:23:54]

|Torg|:

gasoline as a vapr is explosive

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|Torg|:

as is hydrogen

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juski:

air can be explosive too :0

[17:24:10]

|Torg|:

so youc an silicon :P

[17:24:17]

nordle:

So can custard powder

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|Torg|:

do you have non dair, goss as hell, creamer to put in tea and such?

[17:24:41]

juski:

actually a lot of fine powders are more explosive than hydrogen

[17:24:46]

sxealex:

but gas becomes gas less readily than hydrogen in the environment we live in

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|Torg|:

look liek litle off shite flakes?

[17:24:55]

|Torg|:

off white too :P

[17:25:09]

sxealex:

anyway if hydrogen would be used as a fuel

[17:25:14]

sxealex:

it would have to be stored as water

[17:25:18]

sxealex:

and converted on the fly

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juski:

awww fack. Emu is coming back to TV

[17:25:32]

Dibblah:

juski: Silly question – How deeply have you looked into the UI code?

[17:25:36]

|Torg|:

sxealex the energy to liberate hydrogen from water is more then what you get out by recombining it

[17:26:11]

Dibblah:

I keep coming back to the "if I don't look at it, noone is going to" issue.

[17:26:13]

|Torg|:

so nordle what is Slaugh?

[17:26:13]

juski:

Dibblah: deep enough to fix a few things I wanted to put right

[17:26:22]

sxealex:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_rDkwGnU

[17:26:25]

nordle:

1 moment

[17:26:25]

juski:

|Torg|: Slough is a hellmouth

[17:26:39]

sxealex:

they have deloped away to avoid electrolosis

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|Torg|:

its on the map next to London, toher then that I dunno

[17:26:43]

sxealex:

u can just weaken the bond

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sxealex:

of the atoms

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ShockValue:

well hmm.. i signed up for SD last night, and I can log into the website just fine

[17:27:05]

Dibblah:

I'm still looking at the MythUI conversion stuff.

[17:27:13]

ShockValue:

but when i run mythfilldatabase, all i get is 401 auth errors

[17:27:28]

juski:

Dibblah: just do bits at a time. it's not practical to do any more than chip away at it

[17:27:29]

ShockValue:

it wont let me retrieve lineups in mythtv-setup either

[17:27:34]

Dibblah:

Just checking out the old branch to compare to the mainline.

[17:27:59]

Dibblah:

That's not my problem at the moment – The code is too deep, wide _and_ intertwined.

[17:28:11]

juski:

eew

[17:28:13]

Dibblah:

I'm trying to get an idea of where to _start_ :(

[17:28:18]

juski:

just rewrite the frontend then :)

[17:28:20]

juski:

:P

[17:28:29]

Dibblah:

That'd be a nice plan ;)

[17:28:54]

nordle:

I was trying to be a clever dick and put in a google maps link to slough, but I gave up. Instead, heres a poem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough_%28Poem%29

[17:29:00]

Dibblah:

I know that Isaac wasn't too enamored by the UI branch some time ago.

[17:29:30]

Dibblah:

But... Someone's spent some time mentoring this guy.

[17:29:31]

juski:

Dibblah: the ui branch was the SoC project

[17:29:48]

ShockValue:

do i need to pay first before i get listing data? the website made it sound like i get 7 free days to make sure things were working

[17:29:48]

Dibblah:

So it's worth looking at, to get an idea of what is needed.

[17:29:53]

Dibblah:

Yes, I know that.

[17:30:04]

Dibblah:

One of the ones that didn't pay out, ISTR.

[17:30:19]

GreyFoxx:

ShockValue: Are you using a new enough myth?

[17:30:22]

juski:

one of the ones? I think even the weather one never got finished by the student

[17:30:33]

Dibblah:

But not really willing to drop people's work.

[17:30:35]

GreyFoxx:

did you cvhange mythtv-setup to use sd instead of datadirect?

[17:30:38]

dageshi:

hmm, I've altered one of the profiles in my dvb hardware encoder profiles, renaming low quality to "radio" but when I go to define a manual recording the "low quality" still exists and no radio

[17:30:41]

dageshi:

any ideas why?

[17:30:45]

ShockValue:

+GreyFoxx: /mythtv-0.20.2_p14357

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Dibblah:

Especially since none of the core devs has any real spare time atm.

[17:30:56]

juski:

dageshi: because you cannot rename encoder profiles :)

[17:31:11]

dageshi:

o.k I take it the fact it lets me is a bug then?

[17:31:15]

ShockValue:

+GreyFoxx: yes i did.. but it wont let me retrieve chanel lineups due to auth error :(

[17:31:15]

juski:

dageshi: well, you can and you can't. See in some parts of the code they're hard-coded

[17:31:27]

dageshi:

ahhh k

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nordle:

Can anyone suggest why when I try the rewind button on DVD using Internal player, it doesn't rewind, it goes forward very very juddery and the clock ticks up very fast? I can ffwd/rwnd dvd's fine using xine or mplayer, and it used to work Internal in 0.20 (currently using 0.20.2).

[17:31:42]

ShockValue:

+GreyFoxx: but i can log into the website just fine to view my account and change the channel lineup etc

[17:31:47]

dageshi:

if I change the setting inside aka making it record the audio channel only will that stick?

[17:31:52]

juski:

xine can't rewind anyway can it?

[17:32:04]

juski:

dageshi: I think you have to restart the backend for changes to take

[17:32:15]

dageshi:

ahhh!

[17:32:21]

dageshi:

o.k I will give that a try, thanks

[17:32:24]

nordle:

juski: No, but it skips back N seconds so the result is similar.

[17:32:25]

ShockValue:

nordle: sounds like you're not rewinding, but putting the player in "slow motion" mode

[17:32:26]

juski:

dageshi: anyway to make dvb radio recordings it doesn't harm to keep the whole stream

[17:32:46]

dageshi:

I'd like to recencode to mp3 afterwards

[17:33:00]

dageshi:

would the number of streams have any bearing on how fast that would be?

[17:33:16]

Dibblah:

_fast_.

[17:33:26]

Dibblah:

10x realtime on any recent processor.

[17:33:31]

ShockValue:

here's what im getting from mythfilldatabase: http://pastebin.ca/699750

[17:33:44]

nordle:

ShockValue: the .lirc command is: prog = mythtv button = Rewind repeat = 0 delay = 0 config = ,,<

[17:33:58]

Dibblah:

Or, if they're DVB, the likelyhood is it's MP2 anyway.

[17:34:15]

Dibblah:

So all you have to do is demultiplex them.

[17:34:30]

dageshi:

o.k bit beyond me at the moment

[17:34:53]

dageshi:

I was just trying to get it to record radio initially at the moment its complaining about having audio channels when it wants video

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BlackDark:

hi

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BlackDark:

question regarding the table program

[17:37:10]

BlackDark:

if I'd like manually set the icon for a channel, I have to set the filename of the icon, but what do I need to put in the field ?

[17:37:18]

BlackDark:

the absolute path and filename

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BlackDark:

?

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ShockValue:

aha! i figured it out.. i put in "ShockValue", but SD automatically converted it to "shockvalue" (lower case), but i didnt relize that

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ShockValue:

bbiab

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juski:

dageshi: there's a script you can use to export dvb radio recordings to mp3

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juski:

I use it all the time

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dageshi:

ahh juski where can I get it?

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tgm4883_laptop:

Using .20.2 and Schedules Direct, I have my STB streaming my HD channels over firewire to my mythbox. I also have a pcHDTV 5500 that gives me my local HD channels. (I also have a pvr-150 for my analog channels) Since my three tuners have overlap, with schedules direct, do I want each tuner to have it's own listing source or just 1 source for all tuners? I want to be able to have mythtv select which tuner to record a

[17:40:25]

tgm4883_laptop:

show on (my previous setup I had to manually select which tuner for it to record on)

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juski:

dageshi: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/14496/trunk . . . dioexport.pl

[17:41:21]

sulan:

hi guys, in the frontend setup screens, you have General/Mythfilldatabase – is mythfilldatabase run on the frontend or is this a backend configuration option set via the frontend?

[17:41:51]

juski:

dageshi: snag is it relies on the mythtv perl bindings, but they're simple to install

[17:42:12]

willcooke:

and a copy of ffmpeg that can write mp3's

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willcooke:

:)

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juski:

sulan: eh? there's no entry called general > mythfilldatabase

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dageshi:

k no probs

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juski:

mythfilldatabase is always run on the backend anyway

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tgm4883_laptop:

juski, perhaps he is talking about in setup

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tgm4883_laptop:

i believe there is a tab in the frontend setup for that

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dageshi:

hurrah its recording audio only

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sulan:

juski: exactly, the last screen visible under Setup/General

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dageshi:

I tell a lie

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dageshi:

no no its not.

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sxealex:

has anyone had a problem with the weather section?

[17:45:59]

sxealex:

i get "eatherobject{}"

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juski:

sxealex: yes it's broken and there's no fix til 0.21 is released

[17:46:03]

sxealex:

istead of the data

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sxealex:

fair enough

[17:46:09]

Aval0n:

anyone in here using a mceusb2?

[17:46:25]

tgm4883_laptop:

Aval0n, yep

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tgm4883_laptop:

juski, i thought it worked in .20.2

[17:46:45]

juski:

tgm4883_laptop: no

[17:46:53]

tgm4883_laptop:

hmm

[17:47:07]

tgm4883_laptop:

I wonder why it works on my system

[17:47:30]

juski:

maybe your friendly local package maker made it work

[17:47:36]

tgm4883_laptop:

I think so :)

[17:47:47]

sxealex:

i wonder why it says eatherobject{} and not Weatherobject{}

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|Torg|:

sxealex I looked at that video clip, and there are some problems with it. First off he is using electrolsys, alal 1883 faraday. Secondly there is no way in physics you can sperate water and then get more enerygy out of the hydrogen and oxygen wehn you combine it

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juski:

sxealex: it's BROKEN

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sxealex:

word

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juski:

|Torg|: of course there is, with a perpetual motion machine. pfft you guys don't know anything! ;)

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|Torg|:

juski ssh thats a secret :P

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willcooke:

In this channel we obey that laws of thermodynamics

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|Torg|:

besids that newsclip is from Fox

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

I'm slightly confused as to the channel listings situation at the moment. I'm in the UK, and I don't believe that any of the recent changes affect me – however – I cannot seem to download the channel listings.

[17:49:50]

juski:

|Lunar_Lamp|: what's confusing?

[17:50:13]

|Lunar_Lamp|:

Well, in the UK, do I have to use the schedulesdirect paid service now?

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sxealex:

well u have to realize that burning hydrogen and separating it from oxygen might not be exact opposites

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

Or is that solely for US/Canada?

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|Torg|:

|Lunar_Lamp| you could, but it wont help you

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|Torg|:

UK listing serivce is by juski, its $15 a day :P

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sulan:

juski: you wouldn't happen to know if the mythfilldatabase settings available via the mythfrontend affects scheduling of mythfilldatabase runs on the frontend or backend?

[17:50:58]

juski:

$1500 a day damnit

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|Torg|:

umm wiat 15 whatever that symbol for a british pound is I cant type

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juski:

sulan: mythfilldatabase runs on the BACKEND. I said already

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** |Lunar_Lamp| shakes his fist at juski for his crazy inflation **

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

So, er, am I shafted when it comes to getting program data? When I try to run mythfilldatabase it seems to be contacting radiotimes.com (coincidently, I use that for checking tv schedules myself) – but no data gets added.

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|Torg|:

umm we call a $ a dollar sign, what do you call the one for a pound, a pound sign?

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juski:

|Lunar_Lamp|: your channels need to have xmltv ids

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juski:

|Torg|: yeah. Â£

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|Torg|:

then waht do you call a #?

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juski:

hash

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sulan:

juski: thanks, I was confused because the setting was located together with a lot of frontend-specific settings.

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|Torg|:

ahh ok, we call that a pound sign

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

juski, I ran the xlmtv_uk_rt or whatever it was.

[17:53:48]

juski:

yeah. crazy yanks

[17:54:09]

juski:

|Lunar_Lamp|: yeah but did you put the xmltvids into mythtv-setup or mythweb – into the channel table?

[17:54:29]

juski:

you guys really need my config wizard but I can't be bothered to do any more work on it right now

[17:54:46]

|Lunar_Lamp|:

juski, well, perhaps no? I'm not sure how I should have done that. http://pastebin.ca/698872 <-- that was the mythfilldatabase output.

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

juski, how should I have gone about it then? run xmltv_uk --configure – outputs a .xmltv file

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juski:

|Lunar_Lamp|: in mythweb, or in mythtv-setup – or by _some_ means, every channel you want guide data for must have an xmltvid in the right column in the channel table

[17:55:26]

|Lunar_Lamp|:

Then I'm supposed to do something with that file?

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juski:

|Lunar_Lamp|: no. that file is used by tv_grab_uk_rt

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

hmm, ok.

[17:56:22]

|Lunar_Lamp|:

But there shouldn't be any issues – it's just me screwing up the setup?

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|Torg|:

does £ work?

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|Torg|:

yea it does :)

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|Torg|:

hard as hell for me to type but I can

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willcooke:

Yay! My script works!

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dageshi:

juski you said you had recording radio working? I've got a nova t 500 no matter what profile settings I set I always get the error "Error: We want 0 audio and 1 video streams But have 1 audio and 0 video streams"

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willcooke:

It just loops over each of the dir's in the correct storage group checking to see if the file exists or not. Huuzah! Thanks |Torg|

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juski:

|Lunar_Lamp|: http://www.pastebin.ca/699786

[18:00:04]

|Lunar_Lamp|:

juski, ok, thanks – though I'm not too sure what to do with that :-/

[18:00:39]

juski:

|Lunar_Lamp|: YOU PUT THE XMLTVIDS OF THE CHANNELS YOU WANT INTO THE CHANNEL TABLE EITHER WITH MYTHWEB, MYTHTV_SETUP OR BY SOME OTHER MEANS!

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juski:

I am ducking blue in the face here

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

I got that much – I just wasn't sure why he wanted me to have his info as it wouldn't be the same for me...

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|Torg|:

|Lunar_Lamp| do you want listings?

[18:02:19]

|Lunar_Lamp|:

I do, yes.

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|Torg|:

|Lunar_Lamp| did you inptu xmltvids for those channels?

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candyban_:

Hi guys

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juski:

it's not hard!

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juski:

just put the damn xmltv ids into the channel table with mythtv-setup or mythweb or some other way

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

I know what I'm supposed to be doing :-/

[18:03:16]

|Lunar_Lamp|:

[19:01:29] <|Lunar_Lamp|> I got that much – I just wasn't sure why he wanted me to have his info as it wouldn't be the same for me...

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juski:

so wtf is the problem then?

[18:03:27]

juski:

because it was a HINT

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

There is no problem from where I'm sitting – you're just explaining more stuff to me :-s

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juski:

jesus h christ I need another holiday

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candyban_:

anyone familiar with the lirc_mceusb2 ? .... is there a way to have my buttons less sensitive? (When I push down, it goes down by 2 or 3 options)

[18:04:23]

juski:

and I need to finish my config wizard thing so you lot don't have to spend time scratching your heads because of this crap anymore

[18:05:02]

juski:

it shouldn't be as damn hard ffs. it was all right for the folks in the US & canada cos their data provider filled in all the blanks

[18:05:45]

juski:

but no, not us. some chump has to do some legwork. it took me the best part of 2 whole days figuring out how to get xmltv working right and it really should NOT be so

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|Torg|:

umm juski do it didnt, I had to patch about 20 or so channels myslef

[18:06:06]

juski:

|Torg|: ah yes the joys of the digital channels

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|Torg|:

somethign about WFAADT not bing the same as WFAA-DT

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|Torg|:

I actlay hacked a table in my mythconfg that hol channel, name and xmltvid and to a update from it every time my channels get wipted out

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juski:

mine will be – enter postcode – enter Tv provider (Sky, Freeview, Virgin Media) – enter package.. badabing!

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|Torg|:

something Z2I would do on a mothly basis

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

juski, that sounds pretty useful, and far more intuitive than currently. How long till you unleash it on the public, or is it too early to know?

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|Torg|:

and dont forget juksi I have your forms :P

[18:08:15]

juski:

too early to know. the big part (data entry) is all done now

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juski:

for only Freeview I could knock something out this week

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|Torg|:

|Lunar_Lamp| I gave up trying to figuire out Sky packages

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cout:

do programs with a higher or lower number priority take precedence?

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juski:

higher

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cout:

thanks

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cout:

never can be too careful :()

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|Lunar_Lamp|:

|Torg|, to be honest, in a selfish way I don't care as I only have freeview ;-)

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cout:

:)

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juski:

hence 'bad girls' is -99 here

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juski:

this defrag is taking ages

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juski:

|Lunar_Lamp|: my wizard won't just do xmltvids – channel numbers & icons too :)

[18:11:56]

|Lunar_Lamp|:

Oo, that would be useful!

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|Torg|:

icons are just eyecandy "{

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willcooke:

Hmmmm – how safe is it to assume the people that type the listings data in for EIT always type the titles the same way.... not very I suspect

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|Torg|:

willcooke its VERY common for them NOT to be

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|Torg|:

I get mesages from EIT all the time telling me its renaming grpgrams

[18:13:32]

willcooke:

So if I'm testing for a title to be = a string I should use something a little more forgiving than just "="

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|Torg|:

in fact I get them even tho I told myth noeit

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juski:

willcooke: just get the show name from the database

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|Torg|:

Titles dont change much, subtitles do

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juski:

or are you already doing that but need some way to group them reliably?

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willcooke:

I'm looking at the title and then comparing that to a list of known titles to decided on the quality of the MP3 conversion. e.g. "I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue" can be in mono 64k, where as "The Essential Mix" can be in 320k joint stereo

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juski:

no point it being 320k since it doesn't come in that

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willcooke:

well, you know what I mean.

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juski:

have there been any good essential mixes lately? last few tens I've recorded have been utter cack

[18:17:45]

juski:

they seem to always start well & end up doing a few lines & going off on a tangent

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|Torg|:

juksi like bagpipe music :P

[18:18:52]

willcooke:

Optimo was pretty good (a bit weird, but good fun) and Soul Of Man was alright, but yes, on the whole, below par

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juski:

got some of this morning's – sounds like a loop of DTMF tones

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willcooke:

:) – That will be the first victim of my new script, so it might just get deleted!

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willcooke:

Ah – I have a plan... if I get a 100% match then apply my pre-determined MP3 settings, otherwise encode to a safe bet, high bitrate stereo mp3 which can always be re-encoded later#

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|Torg|:

does anyone have a season eppisode script for myth, I used to have one but I cant seem to find it anymore. Preferably somehting that can decode it from my listings

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anomic:

after reinstalling mythtv on a minimal setup, i have audio problems on a large number of xvid movies, where i get nothing but whitenoise. here's the output i get, first from a file that doesn't work, and second from a file that does work: http://pastebin.ca/699815

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juski:

DJ Diplo... DJ dipshit more like

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juski:

he's no DJ Yoda

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willcooke:

juski, Did you get the Yoda one? It was on just b4 xmas I think. I missed it :(

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juski:

willcooke: should be easy to find somewhere

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** willcooke apologies for the "b4" **

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juski:

DJ Yoda is ace

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willcooke:

juski, :)

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visit0r:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `glXGetProcAddress'

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visit0r:

getting that when trying to compile the latest trunk on a Feisty

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|Torg|:

ldd it

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visit0r:

I did

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|Torg|:

and what library wer you missing?

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visit0r:

it seems the libs are found but this symbol just isn't

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|Torg|:

did you upgrade the libs?

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visit0r:

the ubuntu libs? no major upgrades there.

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|Torg|:

the opengl ones

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visit0r:

nope

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laga:

visit0r: did you make clean/distclean/ re-run configure?

[18:36:39]

visit0r:

hmmh not sure if I tried distclean

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visit0r:

I'll do that once more

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|Torg|:

laga his problem is with nvidas glx over mesa

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visit0r:

make clean should be enough though

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visit0r:

hmm so it's trying to link against mesa?

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laga:

|Torg|: ah

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|Torg|:

its trying to link thogh whatever your configure told it to

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visit0r:

weird that I didn't have this problem on another machine

[18:38:39]

|Torg|:

anyones I gota go, goole is your friend

[18:38:57]

visit0r:

there has been some changes to the configure nvidia detection lately?

[18:40:13]

visit0r:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/289774 yep there it is

[18:42:43]

juski:

hmm I could almost have a working script to shove out

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juski:

of course before I do any operations on the real database I need to try it out on a test database

[19:02:41]

juski:

damn the defrag finished but it's still over 90% fragmented

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laga:

juski: it just defragments the top 10% AFAIK

[19:04:39]

laga:

man xfs_fsr ;)

[19:04:39]

juski:

ah

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Dibblah:

No, it's time based.

[19:07:26]

Dibblah:

By default.

[19:08:09]

Dibblah:

The MythUI SoC project...

[19:08:19]

Dibblah:

Only did the statusbox?

[19:08:23]

visit0r:

hmm has mythtv dropped support for old nvidia drivers (in Feisty's nvidia legacy package)?

[19:08:24]

Dibblah:

In a summer?

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juski:

visit0r: mythtv doesn't support any VGA card drivers

[19:11:44]

visit0r:

;)

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Dibblah:

And... He didn't even apparently do all that much useful there. <SIGH>.

[19:12:46]

visit0r:

it seems nvidia-legacy does not work anymore with mythtv due to that missing symbol

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NRGizeR:

evening.

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NRGizeR:

I was just wondering about a problem I'm having that google haven't been able to help me with

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NRGizeR:

apparently Cartoon Network here (DVB-C) is sending the different audio tracks as mono channels

[19:15:44]

NRGizeR:

and I'm not sure if it's the cable company that's doing it, or if it's mythtv, but anyway, it's sending the mono tracks as left/right stereo :)

[19:15:54]

NRGizeR:

which means I have english in one ear, and danish in the other :)

[19:16:38]

juski:

NRGizeR: probably the cable company not mythtv

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laga:

you can mute one channel AFAIK

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laga:

you could complain to the cable company

[19:16:50]

NRGizeR:

well that's my question actually

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NRGizeR:

how do I mute one of the channels

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laga:

see keys.txt ;)

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AndyCap:

common on dvb channels with sports and cartoons. two languages in a stereo channel

[19:17:25]

NRGizeR:

ah?

[19:17:27]

NRGizeR:

ok

[19:17:46]

NRGizeR:

the strange thing is that it worked fine in my nokia dvb-c box that I had a year back

[19:17:52]

AndyCap:

may be some magic flag that tells some receivers about it though

[19:17:56]

NRGizeR:

then again, it's possible that they changed that since then as well

[19:18:03]

NRGizeR:

mm

[19:18:15]

NRGizeR:

laga: I'm on it :)

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NRGizeR:

laga: doesn't seem to be in there... if I'm not missing it

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NRGizeR:

I have been looking for that option for some hours now

[19:20:11]

NRGizeR:

but I just can't find it

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willcooke:

could you do it with alsa-mixer?

[19:20:39]

NRGizeR:

all I can find related to audio is "adjust time stretch" and "cycle audio streams"

[19:20:39]

juski:

I'm gonna kill somebody in this house. noticed my network lights flashing like mad. turns out something is opening smtp connections to all & sundry from my windows box

[19:20:45]

willcooke:

not ideal

[19:20:53]

NRGizeR:

willcooke: was just going to say that :)

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willcooke:

juski, owned!

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willcooke:

NRGizeR, :)

[19:21:20]

juski:

no matter how many times I tell her to use her OWN bloody laptop to open some shitty little attachments some lamer sent to her hotmail..

[19:21:31]

juski:

and it got through AVG

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NRGizeR:

I would much rather find an option for doing this within mythtv if only possible, since I use many frontends

[19:21:56]

laga:

juski: heh

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laga:

juski: use linux? :)

[19:22:36]

NRGizeR:

so no-one happens to know about some magical value to change in the database or something like that to force mono audio?

[19:22:51]

juski:

NRGizeR: it's something you'll have to do on a per-case basis

[19:22:52]

laga:

NRGizeR: there's an option in the frontend that'll allow you to mute left and right separately

[19:22:54]

NRGizeR:

(I skimmed through it but didn't find anything)

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NRGizeR:

laga: so I'm told :) just can't find it :<

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NRGizeR:

juski: how do you mean?

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NRGizeR:

it's just that one channel... if that's what you mean

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willcooke:

NRGizeR, While watching the channel – what options do you have in the audio track menu?

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willcooke:

NRGizeR, does it show just one audio track?

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juski:

utils/setup > setup > general – 2nd page in there. independent muting of left and right audio channels

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juski:

that modifies the behaviour of the mute key

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willcooke:

blimes – Lord Of The Rings is on

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NRGizeR:

juski: thanks! I'll try that right away

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NRGizeR:

juski: worked!

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NRGizeR:

can't believe I missed that :)

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BenB:

I just upgraded from 0.19 to 0.20.2 (gentoo). DVB-S. no tuning worked, but adding a Disecq LNB to my DVB card fixed it. but still, encrypted channels (premiere) don't work.

[19:27:09]

NRGizeR:

a BIG thanks to you guys <3

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laga:

BenB: monsieur bucksch?

[19:27:37]

BenB:

I see no real error in the logs, just "PID 0x6ff is encrypted, ignoring". then soon after "Invalid file (fd -1) when opening"

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laga:

BenB: 0.20.2 might already have -v cam for the backend

[19:27:44]

BenB:

laga: indeed. hi.

[19:28:04]

BenB:

laga: ok, will add to my mythbackend

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BenB:

init.d

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laga:

BenB: i'm not sure if it applies to 0.20.2

[19:29:22]

BenB:

laga: no, I don't see any additional information.

[19:29:34]

BenB:

laga: any idea what could be the reason?

[19:29:48]

laga:

BenB: did you re-scan after upgrading?

[19:29:49]

BenB:

(obviously, it worked with 0.19.)

[19:29:55]

BenB:

laga: eh, let's say I tried.

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philip__:

hey

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laga:

BenB: you probably need to re-scan

[19:30:37]

BenB:

I did re-scan, yes, but I'm not sure it applied all changes.

[19:30:42]

philip__:

i want a mythtv build for my server only

[19:30:51]

BenB:

laga: which option do I use? there are so many...

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philip__:

but it says that --disable-frontend will break things

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philip__:

how so?

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juski:

it just will

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GreyFoxx:

it's mean for porting to other platforms,

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juski:

for the few extra megs it'll make just leave it

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GreyFoxx:

not just saving you a couple meg of diskspace

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philip__:

ok, but how can i get a mythtv w/o deps on xlibs & stuff?

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laga:

BenB: "scan existing transponders" or something like that

[19:31:43]

GreyFoxx:

You can't

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juski:

you can;t

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laga:

BenB: it's been a while since i done that

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philip__:

so, how does that thing with server/client work then?

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GreyFoxx:

well, myth requires QT, and QT is going to require the X stuff

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laga:

you can't.

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philip__:

i mean, am i actually able to run server/client?

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GreyFoxx:

philip__: you can have the X client libraries installed on your box

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

just have X libs on both boxes

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philip__:

hm hm

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GreyFoxx:

you don't have to actually have X running

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philip__:

yeah, i understand that

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GreyFoxx:

but the libraries will need to be there

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philip__:

hm, ok, i guess this is will be fixed someday then :)

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Dibblah:

philip__: Probably not.

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GreyFoxx:

We don't see it as something to be "fixed" :)

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philip__:

it just made me suspicious about if mythtv can do what i want :)

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BenB:

laga: there's "vollst. scan" and "all transponders", in all combinations. I never know what the difference is.

[19:34:18]

GreyFoxx:

now if you link against QT embedded you might be able to avoid some of the X stuff, but that's a very manual, non documented process

[19:34:30]

laga:

BenB: i never know either. i just try hard to believe that the translation is bad

[19:34:39]

philip__:

GreyFoxx: i actually do not have a real problem with x libraries

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philip__:

it was just irritating me

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BenB:

(i.e. there's a "vollst. scan" for only one transponder", and "complete scan for all known transponders" and "all known transponders"

[19:35:18]

philip__:

that i can not build the backend w/o the frontend, which sounded like "they are supposed to be run on the same machine anyway"

[19:35:25]

juski:

nah

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laga:

BenB: you could try to rescan the premiere transponder

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philip__:

ok, thanks then

[19:35:44]

juski:

you can't build the backend without the frontend, nor the frontend without the backend

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philip__:

no worries left :)

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BenB:

laga: if I knew what it is...

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BenB:

(I have to enter it manually, right?)

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philip__:

but i can do --disable-x11 on the backend, right?

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laga:

BenB: you don't necessarily have to enter it manually. wait a sec

[19:37:13]

BenB:

laga: BTW, completely offtopic, did anybody get DVB-S2, particularly premiere HD, to work?

[19:37:38]

laga:

BenB: the dvb-s2 API is not completely final AFAIK and mythtv doesnt support it yet

[19:37:39]

BenB:

laga: I'm currently running "vollst. scan aller bekannten transponder", but I don't know whether that's sufficient.

[19:37:50]

BenB:

laga: so, "no", ok.

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GreyFoxx:

philip__: that's for when working on porting to win32 and such. I can't say how it would react on anormal box

[19:38:23]

GreyFoxx:

but either way QT will still be reqwuired and linked to X

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laga:

BenB: that's the most complete scan i'd say. it'll rescan all currently known transponders

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BenB:

laga: I don't even know what would change in the API towards mythtv.

[19:38:36]

GreyFoxx:

and you are just making more work for yourself unless you have hardware constraints

[19:38:40]

laga:

BenB: neither do i.

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GreyFoxx:

like trying to get it on an embedded platform or something

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dageshi:

if my record profile is set to "normal" should it record both video and audio streams if they're available?

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willcooke:

juski, re: Essential Mix – here's a one of the better recent ones:

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willcooke:

juski, http://www.whizzy.org/SoulOfMan-EssentialMix.wav.mp3

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directhex:

philip__, if you use a package manager, you can have the frontend without the backend or vice versa

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juski:

dageshi: yes

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directhex:

philip__, but look at it this way – the backend config (mythtv-setup) uses the standard mythtv ui code which uses Qt. and the backend uses buckets of Qt too (all the data types are Qt fr'example)

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directhex:

philip__, so you might get away with linking against Qt embedded, but it's not a supported process

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BenB:

laga: so, what's going on in mythtv DVB land?

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laga:

dunno

[19:43:42]

laga:

all working for m

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laga:

e

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BenB:

I notice that channel switching is a *lot* faster in 0.20 than in 0.19

[19:43:51]

laga:

mythtv-multirec is slowly getting ready

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BenB:

but that's old news

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BenB:

ah, recording 2 channels from the same transponder with one DVB card?

[19:44:21]

dageshi:

juski for whatever reason I can't fathom, I have all the profiles in the dvb profile set to "normal" but I'm getting the following error "error: we want 0 audio and 1 video streams But have 1 audio and 0 video streams"

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directhex:

BenB, aye. more than 2, infact

[19:46:38]

BenB:

directhex: obviously. does it also with with encrypted channels?

[19:46:58]

directhex:

BenB, dunno. using a hardware cam, presumably it should work

[19:47:21]

BenB:

ok. I thought the hardware might be a limitation here.

[19:47:40]

laga:

problem: i'm running trunk and tried to play a DVD. when i tried the "fill" modes to zoom in, the OSd got squished. is that a known problem?

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laga:

and no, my display is not set to 100 DPI. :/

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BenB:

laga: that took me some time to figure out when I configured my HD-TFT :(

[19:49:40]

BenB:

(the dpi cause)

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laga:

BenB: does your OSD look good now when the aspect ratio changes?

[19:50:59]

BenB:

laga: yes.

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laga:

and before, it made you cry?

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BenB:

laga: modulo the fact that it uses the MPEG resolution

[19:51:32]

BenB:

laga: before, I could not use the menu at all.

[19:51:42]

laga:

hum. thanks, i'll try that

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laga:

of course, this means i'll have to set my normal monitor to 100x100 as well, because i'm using twinview.

[19:52:34]

BenB:

laga: not sure if that's related to your problem.

[19:52:43]

laga:

i want the new ati driver *now*. at least you can run a proper dual head setup with their hardware.

[19:52:52]

laga:

BenB: we'll see.

[19:53:05]

BenB:

laga: FWIW, I fixed it by setting DisplaySize in xorg.conf. that was the second-best solution.

[19:53:13]

BenB:

in the Monitor section

[19:53:44]

BenB:

I don't remember how I got to my values, but IIRC some hacky 'reverse calculation'.

[19:54:14]

laga:

yes, i seem to remember that as well from my last try.

[19:54:44]

BenB:

laga: scan complete. I now have 1600 channels (! :-(( ), but it still doesn't work.

[19:55:15]

BenB:

at least no the old channels, I'll try to see whether it added a new Premiere 1

[19:55:43]

laga:

but since this is really a 2400x1050 resolution, it's gonna be a bit tough to specificy the right values

[19:56:05]

BenB:

laga: how comes you have such a strange resolution?

[19:56:37]

BenB:

FWIW, I use:

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BenB:

DisplaySize 1000 562.5

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BenB:

HorizSync 28–90

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BenB:

VertRefresh 50–61

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laga:

BenB: 22" wide TFT and my old PAL TV linked together using twinview. :/

[19:56:48]

AndyCap:

laga: two screens of different size?

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BenB:

ModeLine "1920x1080" 138.50 1920 1968 2000 2080 1080 1083 1088 1111 +H

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BenB:

Sync -Vsync

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laga:

AndyCap: yes.

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laga:

BenB: 1080p? nice

[19:57:49]

directhex:

i wish modelines weren't neccessary

[19:57:54]

BenB:

laga: yes. this TV is great. Samsung LE-46M86BD. full HD, beautiful, superb picture, no overscan. 2000 Eur.

[19:57:57]

laga:

directhex: they aren't for some

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directhex:

what is it about TV manufacturers that make them fire up the crack pipe as soon as it comes time to write EDID data

[19:58:07]

BenB:

directhex: oh, yes

[19:58:16]

laga:

BenB: and driven with SD content :>

[19:58:35]

AndyCap:

directhex: maybe the spec is printed on lsd laced paper?

[19:58:38]

BenB:

laga: yes :-(. but with mythtv, it looks *ages* better than what you see in the stores :)

[19:58:45]

directhex:

"hm, we have a 1366x768 tft. we need to make the teevee tell connected devices what it's capabOOOOOOOOOOH THAT'S SOME GOOD SHIT 8DDDDDDDDD"

[19:58:46]

laga:

heh

[19:59:05]

directhex:

i mean really

[19:59:08]

AndyCap:

argh. yeah. don't get me started on the 1366x768 crap

[19:59:09]

laga:

lol directhex

[19:59:30]

directhex:

could be worse. it seems intel onboard graphics is designed by evil ferrets at intel HW to be shit at 1680x1050

[19:59:37]

directhex:

HQ

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BenB:

directhex: I think they don't understand what it's for.

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|Torg|:

try the ones that report 1360x768 its not even a valid div8 mode

[20:00:19]

BenB:

directhex: they still think that PC/computer = VGA.

[20:00:42]

directhex:

so many hardware companies don't understand the first thing about their own hardware

[20:00:47]

|Torg|:

im still trying to figure out what flavor crack they were smoking when they came up with 1366x768

[20:00:57]

directhex:

e.g. asus who wouldn't know what a bios was if you lubed up an ATX motherboard & shoved it somewhere painful

[20:01:04]

BenB:

directhex: that's why I like this samsung. :)

[20:01:16]

directhex:

BenB, samsung are one of the worst!

[20:01:26]

BenB:

(no idea what it sends in EDID, but it works like a charm after some config)

[20:01:32]

|Torg|:

even the Koreans wont by samsung

[20:01:38]

|Torg|:

maybe beca they know what goes on ther

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BenB:

no overscan etc.

[20:02:09]

directhex:

directhex@despair:~$ sudo hwinfo --monitor | grep "Max. Resolution"

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directhex:

Max. Resolution: 1024x768

[20:02:28]

directhex:

gah!

[20:02:42]

BenB:

laga: everytime I try to go to that premiere channel and have that backend problem, the frontend crashes.

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directhex:

mythfrontend in "crash" shocker

[20:02:57]

BenB:

so, I can't even go to any other channel, without hacking the DB startchan

[20:03:08]

laga:

BenB: ouch.

[20:03:19]

laga:

BenB: what does the backend say? complete log?

[20:04:32]

BenB:

laga: http://www.pastebin.ca/699948

[20:04:54]

BenB:

laga: look for "Invalid file"

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|Torg|:

directhex I woudnt put too much stock into hwinfo

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|Torg|:

Max. Resolution: 1280x720

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|Torg|:

go look at my 1080I setting

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laga:

great, i could buy a PCI geforce 4 mx to get a separate X display. unfortunately, the 4 mx is not supported anymore by the nvidia driver i'm using in my main box.

[20:06:39]

BenB:

huch? gf4mx not supported?

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kdubya:

then uh

[20:06:49]

kdubya:

get a different PCI card

[20:06:49]

BenB:

that's one of the most common cards.

[20:06:55]

BenB:

get a different driver

[20:07:00]

laga:

BenB: yes. it's only supported in the legacy driver.

[20:07:01]

kdubya:

yeah

[20:07:03]

kdubya:

nvidia legacy

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laga:

which i won't be using for my 7600GS :)

[20:07:10]

BenB:

laga: pffft

[20:07:22]

laga:

BenB: "PID 0x6ff is no longer encrypted" looks promising, though.

[20:07:35]

kdubya:

you cant use both?

[20:07:37]

BenB:

laga: is this a good thing? that the CAM jumped in?

[20:07:50]

laga:

BenB: try to schedule a recording. your livetv trouble might be some weird race condition thing

[20:07:53]

laga:

kdubya: i doubt it

[20:08:10]

BenB:

(I'd expect a "decrypting PID", not "no longer encrypted" message)

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BenB:

laga: OK

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AndyCap:

laga: you could disable xinerama alltogether and get separate X screens in the same display?

[20:09:43]

laga:

AndyCap: :0.0 and :0.1, yes. that'll still give me focus issues and leave me basically with the same problems but with less usability.

[20:10:05]

BenB:

laga: ah! you're right with one of your guesses: either it was the scan or livetv. I programmed one of the newly scanned channels and it works. thanks!

[20:10:12]

laga:

BenB: cool

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laga:

i could get a radeon 9250 PCI for 35â‚¬ which seems reasonable.

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laga:

i just hope i won't run into any other issues with suttering playback :)

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BenB:

laga: you heard that AMD opened the specs for the cards, at least some 2D parts for now?

[20:11:21]

AndyCap:

laga: what display are you going to run on it?

[20:11:49]

BenB:

laga: http://www.heise.de/open/news/meldung/95913

[20:11:52]

laga:

BenB: yes. but their driver is far from being complete.

[20:11:53]

AndyCap:

laga: since pci cards for 1920x1080 are not such a hot idea.

[20:12:04]

laga:

AndyCap: just my old PAL tv

[20:12:22]

BenB:

AndyCap: while some are very hot, literally.

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laga:

so no worries there

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|Torg|:

AndyCap what do you mean PCI cards are not a good idea?

[20:12:32]

AndyCap:

laga: heh, could even run VGA -> Scart then

[20:12:38]

laga:

AndyCap: i'm doing that already

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laga:

:)

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kdubya:

i think he means there istn enough bandwidth in PCI for 1080p

[20:12:56]

BenB:

|Torg|: the new USB VGA cards are far better than PCI. much faster.

[20:12:58]

BenB:

;-P

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AndyCap:

laga: built a composit sync circuit for the nvidia?

[20:13:11]

AndyCap:

kdubya: correct

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laga:

AndyCap: yup

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|Torg|:

opk well I use a pci nvidia 5900 on a 1920x1080 display just fie

[20:13:33]

|Torg|:

does mpeg great, with low cpu

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kdubya:

you sure it isnt pci-e?

[20:13:41]

|Torg|:

yes its pci-e

[20:13:45]

kdubya:

he is talking PCI

[20:13:48]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: ...

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laga:

heh

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BenB:

|Torg|: they were talking specifically about the old PCI, not AGP and PCI-Express

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: you're not too big on reading before writing are you?

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|Torg|:

actually I belive its AGP

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laga:

last year, when i bought this mainboard, i was thinking that'd i'd NEVER need SLI. *sigh*

[20:14:21]

kdubya:

well AGP is way faster than PCI

[20:14:31]

kdubya:

well AGP 8x is anyway

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BenB:

laga: I don't think you do :)

[20:15:19]

kdubya:

SLI is retarded

[20:15:23]

laga:

heh

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laga:

i don't actually need SLI, i'd need another pcie x16 slot

[20:15:37]

AndyCap:

laga: the nice thing about the radeon is that it can do composite sync already

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laga:

AndyCap: yes, that's nice. i bought a 9250 AGP already for exact the same reason.

[20:16:21]

kdubya:

your 7600 GS isnt dual?

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kdubya:

mine is

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tgm4883_laptop:

Using .20.2 and Schedules Direct, I have my STB streaming my HD channels over firewire to my mythbox. I also have a pcHDTV 5500 that gives me my local HD channels. (I also have a pvr-150 for my analog channels) Since my three tuners have overlap, with schedules direct, do I want each tuner to have it's own listing source or just 1 source for all tuners? I want to be able to have mythtv select which tuner to record a

[20:16:54]

tgm4883_laptop:

show on (my previous setup I had to manually select which tuner for it to record on)

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|Torg|:

I run SLI on two 7900Gs, pci-e on my desktop

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laga:

kdubya: it is dual. it's just creating a lot of issues.

[20:17:27]

AndyCap:

hm, they don't really say if you can run two servers on this thing: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . pter-15.html

[20:17:29]

kdubya:

really?

[20:17:36]

kdubya:

i would think that would be simpler than two cards

[20:17:39]

kdubya:

but ive never tried it

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AndyCap:

kdubya: not if you want them completely separate.

[20:18:03]

kdubya:

he wants two x servers?

[20:18:11]

laga:

yes

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laga:

which is not possible on one nvidia card.

[20:18:42]

BenB:

laga: well, not at the same time :)

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laga:

BenB: heh. i could just switch between them 100 times per second and i shouldn't notice a difference

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kdubya:

are you trying to run two frontends on one machine?

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laga:

25â‚¬ for a radeon 7000 PCI. that looks reasonable.

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BenB:

laga: lol

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laga:

kdubya: no, desktop box and frontend on one machine

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kdubya:

can you run myth through vnc

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BenB:

kdubya: yeah, right

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laga:

yes

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laga:

that's gonna give me a huge performance boost, too

[20:20:11]

kdubya:

connect to a vnc x server on your own machine

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kdubya:

haha

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laga:

heh

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AndyCap:

synergy did work ok with myth though

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|Torg|:

BenB what is that 1080P modeline you use again?

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** BenB notices that |Torg| can't scroll, so Ben does it for him **

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BenB:

ModeLine "1920x1080" 138.50 1920 1968 2000 2080 1080 1083 1088 1111 +HSync -Vsync

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AndyCap:

looks like a stnadard reduced timing 1080 line.

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|Torg|:

you do realise that is 1920x1080@48.73, right

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BenB:

no, I don't realize that

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: try 59.93Hz

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|Torg|:

I jsut ran it though the calculator, its 48.73

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BenB:

I also have commented out:# ModeLine "1920x1080@59.934" 138.500 1920 1960 2016 2200 1080 1082 1088 1125

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BenB:

+hsync -vsync

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BenB:

# ModeLine "1920x1080@59.934" 148.352 1920 1960 2016 2200 1080 1082 1088 1125

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BenB:

# Modeline "1920x1080@59.934" 182.01 1920 1952 2640 2672 1080 1102 1113 1135

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: your calculator is broken. it doesn't account for reduced front/back porch

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BenB:

# ModeLine "1920x1200" 193.16 1920 2048 2256 2592 1200 1201 1204 1242 -hsync +vsync

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laga:

ahahaha. some guy on ebay is selling "buttfly super" VGA cards. it even says that on the packaging

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AndyCap:

BenB: heh, 2 and 3 won't fit through the DVI spec.

[20:25:40]

BenB:

I have no idea what's the best. but my TFT manual talks about 138.5, so I used that.

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AndyCap:

BenB: same as you get from "cvt -r 1920 1080"

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BenB:

directhex: the manual for my samsung actually has a table for refresh rates, khz, hz, mhz, and sync

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BenB:

cvt: command not found

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AndyCap:

BenB: hmm. came with the xorg-x11-server-Xorg-1.1.1–47.10.fc6 package in fedora

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BenB:

yeah, gentoo is .... undescribable when it comes to xorg.conf

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BenB:

no tools whatsoever. help on #gentoo: "use your config from suse".

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AndyCap:

BenB: you need the -DUSE_CVT flag.. :P nah I don't know

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AndyCap:

http://www.uruk.org/~erich/projects/cvt/

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laga:

i wonder if a ati rage 3d or similar cards will work well with myth...

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kdubya:

heh

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kdubya:

the vnc thing works dude

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Immolo:

xorgconfig works great with gentoo

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Immolo:

X -configure as well :P

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philip__:

hm

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philip__:

/usr/include/ft2build.h:56:38: error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory

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philip__:

what do i need?

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philip__:

im on feisty

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laga:

what are you doing?

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philip__:

compiling?

[20:46:17]

laga:

what?

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philip__:

mythtv

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laga:

i can't read minds (yet)

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laga:

ah

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laga:

you need to run apt-get build-dep

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laga:

to install all build dependencies

[20:46:47]

laga:

why aren't you using packages?

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laga:

<- getting inquisitive here :)

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philip__:

because i was looking for packages

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juski:

.

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philip__:

but found none

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laga:

for release-0-20-fixes?

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Dibblah:

juski: Getting rather minimalist now in your comments ;)

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philip__:

laga: i found no packages at all on the website

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laga:

on what website

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philip__:

just the tbz2s

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philip__:

mythtv.org

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laga:

philip__: ubuntu comes with mythtv packages. just enabled the feisty-updates repository and multiverse repo

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laga:

philip__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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|Torg|:

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+package/libfreetype6-dev

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philip__:

laga: thanks for the link

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philip__:

seems like i missed a bit :)

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juski:

jees man this AVG thing is fecking impotent

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juski:

something is trying to hammer hundreds of smtp connections out & yet avg can't find anything wrong

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juski:

I think FWIW I'll be migrating to linux tomorrow

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juski:

wifey doesn't like it, so she'll stay off my machine :D

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slushpump__:

hi there. anyone here runnning opensuse 10.2 that I can chat with?

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laga:

juski: btw, those xml includes for themes. will that also work for menu themes?

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juski:

laga: no idea

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laga:

k

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juski:

I've not even played with the xml includes yet. last theme related thing I did was weeks ago now

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Aval0n:

juski thanks for your help yesterday

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juski:

np

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Aval0n:

my wife was very happy to see the stars info and whatnot

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directhex:

|Torg|, hwinfo is just reading EDID

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|Torg|:

yes mine too, my edid isnt correct

[21:03:57]

directhex:

monitor manufacturer in "doesn't understand EDID" shocker

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juski:

oh great some asshat at 208.71.120.27 is the culprit

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laga:

juski: most likely a compromised box

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juski:

and somebody at Akamai technologies in Massachusets?

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Aval0n:

what's goin on juski

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juski:

pwnage

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slushpump_:

can anyone direct me to packages to install on opensuse 10.2? All the how-to's say to get from packman, but there is no mythtv pkg there. Am I missing something or must I compile?

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juski:

ffs kapersky didn't find owt either

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laga:

akmai? aren't they a big load balacing company?

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juski:

maybe I'll just grab a new services.exe from a spare cab file & slap it on

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Aval0n:

in mythweb are you supposed to be able to click the mp3 name?

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Aval0n:

I just get page not found

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directhex:

Aval0n, takes some configuring

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directhex:

Aval0n, such as fixing the music url and setting up apache to follow symlinks. always used to require it anyway

[21:22:04]

Aval0n:

ahh I just wanna be able to play the mp3s via mythweb

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Aval0n:

I belive my apache2 is already setup for symlinks

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laga:

my google-fu is weak. i can't find data on power consumption for radeon 9250 or 7000 cards

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directhex:

laga, "pretty damn low"

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laga:

directhex: not good enough. :)

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XLV:

laga, since agp can provide 25W to cards, and those dont come with extra power connectors, <25W

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directhex:

so "pretty damn low"!

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laga:

heh

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XLV:

also considering both ati 7000 and 9250 come as pci cards, and pci can provide even less W to cards, and no extra power connectors to those, its even less

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Aval0n:

when you make a change to a filter in channel editor does mythtv-backened have to restart for it to take effect

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Aval0n:

?

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kdubya:

Aval0n, no

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kdubya:

its done in the playback not the recording

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kdubya:

the backend could care less

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laga:

i could also get myself an radeon x850, it's supposed to work with the free driver

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Aval0n:

kdubya thanks

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Aval0n:

anyone know if there is a way you can still switch desktops with ubuntu-myth-frontend?

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laga:

"switch desktops"?

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Aval0n:

desktop workspaces

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Aval0n:

like when you login as a normal user and ctrl+alt + left or right

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Aval0n:

it's disabled with ubuntu-myth-frontend

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laga:

yes, that's possible because we're using openbox for that

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laga:

but i dunno how :)

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laga:

at least it should be possible

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Aval0n:

openbox?

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** Aval0n googles **

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Aval0n:

just a window manager eh?

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Aval0n:

so you couldn't run beryl and openbox together?

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** jarle is using KDE on his frontend, and has desktop switching on by default.. **

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laga:

Aval0n: what is the point?!

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Aval0n:

eh?

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laga:

Aval0n: why would you wanna do that for ubuntu-mythtv-frontend?

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Aval0n:

so my wife could switch over and check her email if she wanted

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laga:

why does your wife need beryl to check her mail?

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Aval0n:

she doesn't

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Aval0n:

i'm more concerned just about switching desktops

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Aval0n:

I would like beryl because it looks cool

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jarle:

So how do I change the icon image for a whole lot of videos at a time? can't seem to figure out doing this point'n'click in php-myadmin...

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laga:

ubuntu-mythtv-frontend sets up auto-login and a very simple X environment for mythfrontend. i don't know why beryl would be needed there :)

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nordle:

Does anyone have any good links / reading on xorg.conf DPI setting. In my head I assumed the higher the DPI the better. But I just did a test. Running xorg.conf with DPI = 41 x 41 and my PAL DVB-T card looked blocky and horrible. 39 x 39 was much much better.

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Aval0n:

laga: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6607 . . . mp;plindex=0

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jarle:

I want all videos with (no-case-sensitive) "cops" in the title to have "/home/jarle/.mythtv/MythVideo/96563.jpg" as the icon...

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laga:

nordle: wiki.mythtv.org

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laga:

ok, enough for today. cya

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nordle:

laga: cheers, bye

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Anduin:

jarle: something like update videometadata set coverfile = 'blah' where LOWER(title) like '%cops%'

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jarle:

Anduin: Thnx.... think I have to backup my database before starting that, I feel a bit more "safe" using phpMyadmin

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Anduin:

jarle: You can do a select to see what it will change, you can also use INSTR(LOWER(title), 'cops')

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** jarle thinks he'll have to study a bit of mysql to get the most out of his mythbox... **

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jarle:

Anybody know why Zone Reality is not available in tv_grab_uk_rt, I thought that was an English channel?

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AndyCap:

jarle: did you get _no working?

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robbins876:

I have all of my music on my linux box. I got a new 80GB ipod classic which requires iTunes to transfer music to the ipod. Is there a way to mount my mp3 director in windows so that it's seen as like drive l: or something?

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robbins876:

I'd rather not actually copy all the music to my laptop harddrive, that would take too long.

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ARfdee:

hi

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ARfdee:

i recorded a program and the title is wrong, how do i change the title?

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sphery:

ARfdee: What do you mean the title is wrong? The title is as given by your listings.

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ARfdee:

sphery: i know, it was a special program and it has the title of the regular listing

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sphery:

(unless it was a manual record)

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ARfdee:

i just want to change it before i burn it with mytharchive

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sphery:

There's no UI for changing titles.

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sphery:

You can just edit the title in the recorded table, but any and all consequences are your own responsibility.

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ARfdee:

that stinks

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sphery:

And backup the DB first.

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ARfdee:

there's no other way?

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sphery:

(BTW, Myth won't care--there won't be consequences in Myth, especially if you shut down frontends/backends before editing it. The consequences I'm mentioning are "

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jarle:

AndyCap: Yeah, works just fine. I have just finished browsing through EPG listings for the next week setting up a whole lot of recordings :)

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sphery:

accidents while using SQL

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jarle:

ARfdee: You should have a look at phpMyadmin for editing your database...

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ARfdee:

jarle: i am looking at mythconverg db now, what recording would it be?

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ARfdee:

ah, i found it in "recorded programs"

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Anduin:

ARfdee: not sure when it went in but Recording Options -> Change Recording Title (from the recording popup menu)

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ARfdee:

oh, hahah

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jarle:

is it possible to use mysqlhotcopy to backup the myth-database? "If you are doing a backup on the server and your tables all are MyISAM tables, consider using

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jarle:

the mysqlhotcopy instead because it can accomplish faster backups and faster restores."

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jarle:

so, are all myth-tables MyISAM tables?

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ARfdee:

thanks:)

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Anduin:

jarle: InnoDB is generally the default

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jarle:

Anduin: so one should stick to mysqldump for backup then?

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BULLE:

jarle: depends on what mysql you use, on my fc6 setup it seems that MyISAM is the default tables

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Anduin:

jarle: I use mysqldump

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BULLE:

jarle: but, i would just use mysqldump anyway, it always works

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BULLE:

jarle: and, backing up your db isnt going to take that much time anyways, its not like you have a HUGE database in a mythtv setup

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jarle:

BULLE: wow, dumping a backup (54MB in size) only took about a second. I'm impressed!

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NightMonkey:

OK, true user question here for MythWeb. I'm trying to schedule recordings of "The War" by Ken Burns. I can set the schedule in MythWeb, but when I click on "Find other showings of this program" it does a title search, which is not a great idea for such a generic title.

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NightMonkey:

My goal is to see this program's conflicts and when actual recording will happen.

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tgm4883_laptop:

hmm

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NightMonkey:

Any way to make MythWeb search by the internal Program ID, rather than do a title search?

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tgm4883_laptop:

have you looked into advanced search?

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NightMonkey:

This is on 0.20.2.

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tgm4883_laptop:

i can't look at my mythweb right noww

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NightMonkey:

tgm4883_laptop: Well, I found the actual show, and scheduled a recording order, but the link I mentioned above does a title search. And "Advanced Search" doesn't offer the kind of search I want. I think MythWeb must prune bad search words (like "The"), so it finds all instances of "war", including "war" as part of other words.

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NightMonkey:

And trying to search explicitly for (with quotes) "The War" doesn't make a difference.

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tjcarter:

the war?

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tjcarter:

which war?

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tjcarter:

it's a little difficult even conceptually for that sort of search to make sense.

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tjcarter:

There are about 40 active wars in the world at any given point.

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NightMonkey:

tjcarter: If I could do a search for the explicit string "The War", it would work...

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|Torg|:

actualy tjcarter there are about 18 active wars now, incluing ones such as Korea which technicly are at a cease fire

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NightMonkey:

tjcarter: The documentary is called "The War", about WWII, by Ken Burns.

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tjcarter:

Oh the Ken Burns thing

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