Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, September 14th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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Anduin:

varun0: Check your frontend log, likely you have a bad MythVideo version.

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varun0:

Anduin: I don't think I have frontend logging – I only see backend.log. Unless they are different locations?

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Anduin:

varun0: There is no standard location, you can always just run mythfrontend via ssh or a terminal and look at the output, or -l to a log file.

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Anduin:

varun0: Did you compile this manually?

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varun0:

Anduin: nope. Ubuntu packages

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Anduin:

varun0: hmm, much less likely to be a bad version then

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varun0:

Anduin: oh. Well let me check the logs........see if that throws up anything

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Kazan:

question

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Kazan:

i once tried to setup a manual recording source on the RCA (yellow/white/red) input of one of my hauppauge cards

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Kazan:

so i could direct my VCR through my mythbox

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Kazan:

i could never get it to switch to that input

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Majost:

Does anyone know how to increase the maximum number of concurrent recordings for a tuner?

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iamben:

Kazan: thats more of a short story than a question

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Kazan:

iamben: the obvious questioning being wtf was wrongw ith it

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Majost:

Im using trunk svn 14480 — which from what the changes indicates, the multirec stuff was folded back into trunk

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Majost:

just trying to use it now

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Majost:

heh

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Kazan:

multirec?

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Anduin:

Majost: multirec isn't in trunk yet, that was myth-vid

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Majost:

ah

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** Kazan laughs **

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Kazan:

i forgot my SD login/password

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Majost:

damn

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** Kazan goes digging in his db **

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varun0:

Anduin: would you mind taking a look at http://pastebin.com/d65a872cd? I think you were right – something wrong with mythvideo

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Kazan:

woot woot the SD price reduction was retroactively applied

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Anduin:

varun0: Yup, that would be a problem

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varun0:

Anduin: Do you know how to fix it off the top of your head? :-)

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Anduin:

varun0: I do not, it should never happen with packages

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iamben:

oh sweet, they did extend SD memerships

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Anduin:

varun0: Give me a sec to dig around

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iamben:

and memberships, too

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varun0:

Anduin: awesome. Thanks so much

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Kazan:

hey anduin

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Kazan:

any idea why i couldn't get a card with more than one input source (1 being cable, 1 being manual) to switch to the manual source

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Majost:

Last quick question regaurding multirec — is the schema version in trunk the same as multirec presently, or will I need to roll back my DB to switch over?

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Anduin:

varun0: Your plugins seem to be newer than your libmyth

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varun0:

Anduin: That's really weird :-S

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Majost:

Not sure where to find that in the source. heh

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Anduin:

Kazan: The few times I've tried manual scheduling they have ended only in disappointment, so no not really.

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Anduin:

varun0: Did you ever compile?

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varun0:

Anduin: never. Just been installing from the repos

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varun0:

Anduin: I did an apt-get upgrade which I think did it

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varun0:

Anduin: sorry probably should have mentioned that

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Anduin:

varun0: You may want to ldconfig, if that doesn't work track down libmyth and ensure it is from a package matching the plugins.

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varun0:

Anduin: OK I'll give that a shot.........thanks so much

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Majost:

its also possible the libmyth package failed to install while doing the upgrade, and you didn't notice it.

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** Majost shrugs **

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Majost:

ack schema of multirec is 1198 and trunk is 1199

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Majost:

hah

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iamben:

im still having trouble starting live tv, can anyone help figure out this log file? http://rafb.net/p/FzUbmU42.html

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iamben:

from googling "GetEntryAt(-1) failed" it seems that is a symptom of any of a thousand different issues

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tjcarter:

Damn, juski seriously has my respect.

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Kazan:

i <3 HD

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iamben:

from bad permissions on a store dir to bad guide data

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tjcarter:

Theming Myth is NOT TRIVIAL

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Kazan:

it's easier than getting into my wife's pants :P

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Kazan:

the BBC version of Planet Earth narrated by Attenborough is notable different than the Discovery Version narrated by Sigourney Weaver

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Anduin:

iamben: Your input has an associated source?

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** tjcarter officially has two favorites on ocremix.org now: http://ocrmirror.org/Final_Fantasy_ChaosTemple_OC_ReMix.mp3 (which is too short) and http://ocrmirror.org/Super_Metroid_BrinstarDr . . . OC_ReMix.mp3 **

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tjcarter:

/oops ww

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Anduin:

iamben: You may have a bogus startchan as well (you would see recordings work but live TV fail)

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Anduin:

iamben: and the times are way off

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iamben:

Anduin: i checked start chan, its ok.. i even remade my video sources & such from scratch, to no avail

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tjcarter:

Live TV is always fail. It's not good at testing arbitrary inputs, and there's no other purpose for it =D

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iamben:

and my system time is correct

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Anduin:

iamben: Is that -v all output?

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iamben:

yes

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iamben:

just the tail end of what gets output when i switch to live tv though, there are a ton of DB queries before that which didnt seem relevant

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Anduin:

iamben: Yeah -v most is usually good enough

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iamben:

i may take this opportunity to rebuild this machine from scratch on this new hdd... its a gentoo machine that was put out of service a couple of years ago, i just recently put myth on it and brought it back up to date

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iamben:

things are still feeling "dirty"

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iamben:

Anduin: if i have some lib missing that is needed for tv playback, could it produce error output like that? i recently got rid of a LOT of libs, and caused a lot of breakage here and there, but everything else is back to norm (except myth)

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Anduin:

iamben: I doubt it is a lib problem

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iamben:

the only problem w/ a reinstall from scratch is that my sat inet only lets me DL 200MB per day, doesnt go very far when you do a net install

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xskull33x:

anyone want to help me setup myth with my new vid card (hauppauge pvr 150)?

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rooaus:

xskull33x: Ask your question and if anyone can help they probably will.

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xskull33x:

well... I am new to linux, so I don't know too much of what I am doing. running sbayon. I don't really even really know how to install myth

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tjcarter:

xskull33x: my advice to all people is that your backend at least be a dedicated machine.

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xskull33x:

why is that?

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tjcarter:

if you want a standalone box, KnoppMyth, Mythdora, and Mythbuntu really simplify setup.

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Qwell:

hey, so, I have a dilemma... need some tips, maybe. I recently upgraded mythtv and the ivtv driver, and the video is really "choppy" (it's hard to explain it..) now. I was curious if you guys were aware of an easy way to test whether the problem is a driver problem, or a wiring problem...

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tjcarter:

Because backends chew up a lot of I/O (death to a desktop system's performance) and potentially eat lots of CPU/RAM too.

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iamben:

Qwell: does it only happen when you first start watching, or always?

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Qwell:

it's intermittent, heh

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tjcarter:

If you are using hardware capture cards (PVR and the like as you are), and you're NOT transcoding, you can get by with a very modest CPU and RAM you probably have laying in a shoebox.

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Qwell:

but, it happens always when it's running

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Qwell:

and it appears to only be the video – the audio sounds okay

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xskull33x:

ok, but this is the only computer i have

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varun0:

I have certain video files that need hwdts as the audio codec and certain files that need hwac3 as the codec (for mplayer). In my player settings (in mythtvfrontend), if I specify either one, then the other kind of file won't work. Is there any way to have either kind of fine play correctly through the front end? (Does that make sense? :-\)

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tjcarter:

These days, if I am looking to build such a box, I grab an AMD board, toss any random AMD X2 processor on it, somewhere between 256 MB and 1 GB RAM, a PVR-500, and a pair of 500 GB SATA drives.

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Qwell:

okay, I lied, the audio sounds bad occasionally too

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xskull33x:

Yea, but i just blew all my money on this computer like a month ago

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tjcarter:

My setup is basically KnoppMyth's suggested defaults, with a LVM instead of the usual /myth

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iamben:

Qwell: have you checked top for cpu usage while this occurs?

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Qwell:

yeah, cpu is fine

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iamben:

xskull33x: just install mythtv man, you'll be alright =)

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tjcarter:

Currently I format everything ext3 except /myth, which is xfs..

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Qwell:

10% at most

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xskull33x:

well my computer/card run fine in windows media center, i'm just trying to make the witch to linux (been dual booting for like a month now)

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tjcarter:

I'm not 100% sold on xfs anymore though. ext3 isn't BAD for /myth, and jfs has advantages as well.

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xskull33x:

iamben: that's my prob, I'm new to linux and need help to install

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rooaus:

Qwell: You upgraded your distro packages or you compiling from svn?

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iamben:

i dont even know what sabayon uses for package management

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iamben:

it doesnt have portage does it?

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xskull33x:

i've only done 2 installs in linux before, and they both came with like step by step commands for compiling etc.

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xskull33x:

damn

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Qwell:

rooaus: myth or ivtv? (the answer to both is the same.. gentoo)

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xskull33x:

yea it has portage

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rooaus:

Qwell: ok

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Qwell:

it looks like it's happening with mplayer too, so it's clearly not mythtv... any idea if there's an ivtv channel anywhere?

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iamben:

xskull33x: "emerge -pv mythtv" and see if the list of packages looks acceptable

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rooaus:

no, I don't use ivtv fortunately.

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xskull33x:

what does acceptable mean?

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xskull33x:

wait

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xskull33x:

i think i found a very good guide

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xskull33x:

i'm going to follow it

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Qwell:

hmm.. is there a feature in mythtv to do like the opposite of recording something?

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xskull33x:

if i have issues i'll be back haha

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xskull33x:

thanks anyway

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Qwell:

I want to flag a show so that when it comes on, it just changes the channel. screw Carlos Mencia

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Qwell:

I swear, if that feature doesn't exist, I'm going to add it

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rooaus:

Qwell: Have a look at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3690 , try "mythbackend --version" to check the source version.

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rooaus:

Qwell: Ah hang on, that was for trunk. Sorry.

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Qwell:

rooaus: that doesn't describe the problem I'm having. It's like...A/V corruption

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Anduin:

Qwell: you can cat /dev/yourivtvdevice > somefile.mpg and play it somewhere else to see if it is the card

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Qwell:

Anduin: yeah, mplayer is the same way

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Slyboots:

Hm, Anyone know any mirrors I can grab the MythFronndend for MacOS?

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Slyboots:

Can only find one site that hosts it but the connection is pretty dire (4k/sec and corrupts the download)

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Slyboots:

Preferably 0.20.2

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erekson:

Slyboots: i think the wiki has several

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Slyboots:

Hmm

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keith4:

let me look

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Slyboots:

Yea, the Pre-built downloads

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Slyboots:

But there is only one for 0.20.0 (The Sniderpad) and the connection is.. well worthless realy

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keith4:

hmm

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keith4:

maybe there's a torrent?

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Slyboots:

Does not seem like it :(

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varun0:

does anyone have recommendations for which remotes work well with mythtv?

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Disputin:

my hauppauge silver remote works great

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** tjcarter liked the older Hauppauge remote that looked kinda like the Sony TiVo remote **

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tjcarter:

but that's because I like the Sony TiVo remote, which sadly cannot be gotten anymore. =(

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tjcarter:

Most AV system remotes have too many buttons and godawful layouts

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Anduin:

varun0: The MCE one isn't bad

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tjcarter:

Says you =p

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** tjcarter hates MCE layout **

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tjcarter:

Some strong advantage to the fact that MCE remotes are absolutely trivial to set up in Myth

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Disputin:

I wanna use my wii stik for a remote

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tjcarter:

wiimote is done frequently, but is not as braindead simple as MCE USB

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** cesman thinks Disputin should look at the MythTV wiki **

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majost:

Is doing a local merge of trunk to multirec a bad idea?

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tjcarter:

cesman: looks like I'm gonna need two versions of Pear-ody.. Helvetica on the Mac doesn't quite match Helvetica under X11/Qt

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CyberKnet:

My new TV looks very nice :)

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GreyFoxx:

majost: Why would you bother ?

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GreyFoxx:

multirec was synced to trunk in the last few days

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tjcarter:

I guess I could continue using Trebuchet MS, but ... Helvetica looks better IMO

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drp:

how do I config network card after install? setup didn't do this by default.

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majost:

yeah... but my schema was updated from a newer trunk

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majost:

heh

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majost:

just trying to avoid having to to even more work really

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cesman:

drp what does mythtv have to do w/ setting up a network card?

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GreyFoxx:

majost: Unless your db schema was altered by something in trunk that is less than 4 days old you should be fine :)

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majost:

sadly it was

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drp:

I want to install the propietary driver but cant access internet under mythbuntu

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majost:

heh

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majost:

the trunk schema is 1190 I think... and multirec is 1189

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majost:

something like that

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cesman:

drp: then the appropriate question is, how do you configure networking on MythBuntu

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|Torg|:

at worst you updated schmea will have field(s) that are not filled out by a newer version

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majost:

correction 1198 in multirec 1199 in trunk

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|Torg|:

it is imposible to alter mysql schema to make those fields mandattry wihtout dropping and adding the table, so as a result any schama changes while not backward comaptable are in fact ok to use

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majost:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

majost: The only difference between 1198 and 1199 is a delete from the kyeybindings

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drp:

sorry. how do i configure networking on MythBuntu please?

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majost:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

you will be fine

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majost:

cool

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tank-man:

drp, do you know what chipset your network card is using?

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cesman:

drp: I'd rather be shaved and have alcohol poured over my body than use MythBuntu ;)

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cesman:

drp are you using DHCP or do you plan on a static IP?

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|Torg|:

cesman we can arrange that :P

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CyberKnet:

cesman: which part of that scenario was unpleasant? :P"

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|Torg|:

drp the command you want is called ifconfig, you can do it manually. If you want to make it perminant edit /etc/netowrk/interfaces

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|Torg|:

err network

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|Torg|:

why I always mistype that I will never know

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drp:

thankyou |Torg|.

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CyberKnet:

mmmm.... HDTV goodness.

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|Torg|:

put in "auto eth0" assming it is in fact the first ethernet card

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CyberKnet:

now I need to get firewire recording working

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drp:

its jsut a default setup (fresh) with no gnome desktop. myth-admin doesn't have nm

[02:00:50]

rooaus:

|Torg|: better than mistyping your own name, which I always do :)

[02:01:16]

cesman:

rooaus: tab completion is your friend ;)

[02:01:18]

|Torg|:

follows my "iface eth0 inet dhcp" for dchp or "iface etho inet static" for a static ip, if yo do static you wil need to add lines ofr address, gateway, netmask, network and brodcast

[02:01:54]

sphery:

jams: Glad you got the MMX/blue faces figured out (been away from my screen, so late response). Was it a bug in configure? If so, did you talk to Janne?

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jams:

sphery wow..you have been away for a while.

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jams:

i needed a make distclean

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drp:

thanks again Torg. you been great help. :-)

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|Torg|:

np, the ins and outs of how a Linux box wants to setup netowkring can be a pain in the ass sometimes

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sphery:

jams: Cool. Glad to hear it wasn't an issue with the script. (It's messy enough already. :)

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jams:

yeah it is, i have poked around in there a few times

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tjcarter:

y'know, presently, if I were building a new Myth box, I'd probably use this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136016

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|Torg|:

does anyone here use checkinstall?

[02:12:15]

CyberKnet:

I tend to pass boards down from my main PC to my myth box ... I need to learn to buy Micro ATX boards for my main PC

[02:13:22]

tjcarter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127013 as an alternative if you really need it to be mATX

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tjcarter:

But then, I kinda made a tall order..

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tjcarter:

onboard DVI, 5.1 sound, and firewire..

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CyberKnet:

The first one was mATX too wasn't it?

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Chutt:

why would you go for a 6150 when you can get a 7050 (with hdmi onboard?)

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tjcarter:

CyberKnet: not quite

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tjcarter:

it fails to meet the actual mATX dimensions properly, so it doesn't fit in some HTPC cases.

[02:17:41]

tjcarter:

I don't care about that myself. I want more space than the typical HTPC case for a standalone box (at least a pair of 500 GB drives), and that's an even taller order if you want HTPC cases

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CyberKnet:

I'm very happy with my Antec original Sonata

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tjcarter:

I think I have a Sonata 2

[02:18:53]

tjcarter:

I'm not 100% happy with it

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tjcarter:

The supplied front panel stuff doesn't quite fit the pins on my board

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tjcarter:

plus though the system is reasonably well filtered, it's not completely, which spoils the filtering quite a bit

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tjcarter:

I do like the ductwork, and I LOVE the HD bays

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CyberKnet:

I love the HD bays... they reduce the noise a lot

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CyberKnet:

I don't recall any ducting in the original sonata

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tjcarter:

I do wish they were a little wider

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CyberKnet:

and there isn't any filtering

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tjcarter:

more room for SATA cables

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tjcarter:

of course, my biggest complaint about ATX cases is the rats nest PSU

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CyberKnet:

dust aggregates on it around the Antec holes like you wouldn't believe

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tjcarter:

I'm a very big fan of externally replacable filters on every intake.

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CyberKnet:

the Sonata 2 has?

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** CyberKnet looks for a 7050 like Chutt recommended **

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tjcarter:

It doesn't

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tjcarter:

I was able to add the feature to all but the CPU duct, but it's kinda ugly in terms of hacking..

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Inssomniak:

any known issues with xorg-server 1.3.0 with mythtv/nvidia?

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CyberKnet:

*yawn*

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CyberKnet:

Chutt: do you use a board with onboard hdmi? or just stating that it would be good?

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi my frontend has stopped working.http://pastebin.ca/696782

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ubuntuEdgy:

i only updated compix fusion

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ubuntuEdgy:

compiz*

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CyberKnet:

does anyone know of anything that takes a VGA + stereo audio input and outputs HDMI?

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Inssomniak:

It exists, but, Im sure its expensive

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CyberKnet:

you think it would be any cheaper if it was trying to merge DVI + stereo audio?

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tjcarter:

CyberKnet: DVI-D yes

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tjcarter:

DVI-D + audio is easy

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Inssomniak:

CyberKnet, I dont know of any such external box that would do that? especially if you are starting with analog audio?

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tjcarter:

oh, analog audio

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Inssomniak:

most TV's have a provision for plugging in audio for the HDMI input

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defaultro:

hi folks, why was there any update on 0.20.2 specifically on libs/libmythtv/datadirect.h, libs/libmythtv/datadirect.cpp and programs/mythfilldatabase/filldata.cpp? Is the one we svn'd last week had a bug?

[02:40:10]

tjcarter:

with digital audio, it's just HDMI cable that ends in a DVI and coax SPDIF

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Inssomniak:

yea

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CyberKnet:

Inssomniak: trying to conserve inputs on the TV

[02:40:26]

Inssomniak:

thats no conversions at all

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tjcarter:

That's why the above newegg references to boards that have spdif and DVI ;)

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CyberKnet:

Inssomniak: got it home and realized what i thought was another composite input was actually a composite output

[02:40:57]

Inssomniak:

CyberKnet, you are probably into a lot of money if they exist at all.

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tjcarter:

of course they were toslink, but toslink -> coax is easily done

[02:41:09]

Inssomniak:

yeap

[02:41:31]

tjcarter:

coax -> toslink is harder (need power)

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CyberKnet:

Inssomniak: Yeah, I think I may need to get a video card with HDMI output that has some kind of sound input.

[02:41:49]

defaultro:

tjcarter, i'm interested, how to toslink to coax?

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Inssomniak:

defaultro, are you starting with analog or digital audio?

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defaultro:

digital

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Inssomniak:

there is probably a cable on the market for that

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defaultro:

i would like to try tjcarter's hack :)

[02:43:08]

Inssomniak:

its gonna need parts and some cable hacking

[02:43:13]

defaultro:

k

[02:43:28]

defaultro:

although my spdif has both toslink and rca

[02:43:36]

defaultro:

i'm just really interested

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defaultro:

something that I can add to my notes

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Inssomniak:

I know how it works but Ive never done such a mod

[02:44:02]

Inssomniak:

not with an hdmi cable

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defaultro:

k

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** CyberKnet wonders whether he should just get a component switch **

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tjcarter:

actually, now that I think about it, you'd probably need power in both directions

[02:44:22]

tjcarter:

anyway

[02:44:38]

tjcarter:

defaultro: small inline box that sells for under US $30 for starters

[02:45:05]

tjcarter:

defaultro: they're one-way at that price

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** defaultro got shocked today when he paid SD. The number of months went up to 6 months, THAT'S AN AWESOME NEWS!!! **

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

xris

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xris:

:)

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Inssomniak:

I dont know of any video+audio HDMI video cards out there

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defaultro:

hey, don't know if you saw my message earlier because you just logged in

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defaultro:

xris, i posted this few secs you logged in :)

[02:47:05]

** defaultro got shocked today when he paid SD. The number of months went up to 6 months, THAT'S AN AWESOME NEWS!!! **

[02:47:13]

Inssomniak:

I suppose its trivial for a manufacturer such as nvidia to put a GPU + sound on one board, and have an HDMI cable, that might be a good market for HDTV ppl

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defaultro:

i would want a dedicated sound card and video

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tjcarter:

defaultro: cool

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Inssomniak:

nowadays I use onboard spdif on whatever motherboard I get

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tjcarter:

defaultro: given that I am needing to go pay SD myself

[02:48:42]

defaultro:

this way, you can tell that the video card you are buying is coming from a company that whos only forte is video cards

[02:48:56]

defaultro:

mine is onboard spdif as well

[02:49:10]

defaultro:

i love it, didn't have any audio issues

[02:49:28]

defaultro:

oh, for analog, there is an issue with the onboard i have

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Inssomniak:

yea Ive used onboard spdif on a dozen different motherboards, they are all the same

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defaultro:

so I had to add a pci sound card

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Inssomniak:

my current board has back panel toslink and coax, its great :)

[02:50:16]

defaultro:

that's cool

[02:50:23]

defaultro:

i had to buy it separately

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CyberKnet:

Inssomniak: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150235

[02:50:56]

Inssomniak:

did I tell anyone lately that these core2 chips are fast as *****

[02:51:13]

defaultro:

which are?

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tjcarter:

I want on my back panel 1 serial, DVI, DON'T BOTHER with VGA, USB, ethernet, FW, digital and analog audio

[02:52:59]

tjcarter:

I suppose PS/2 ports if you must, but I'm not going to use them

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Inssomniak:

CyberKnet, nice :), but still no audio support :(

[02:53:35]

CyberKnet:

what is the spdif input for if no audio support?

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Inssomniak:

I didnt see any spdif input?

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Inssomniak:

lemme look again

[02:54:28]

Inssomniak:

nice!

[02:54:31]

Inssomniak:

it does too

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CyberKnet:

that's why I pasted the link... :)

[02:54:55]

Inssomniak:

no onboard sound card, but it just takes a connector from your spdif port on your sound card

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CyberKnet:

right

[02:55:07]

CyberKnet:

so I may go that route

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Inssomniak:

hey why not!

[02:55:11]

Inssomniak:

for 100 bux

[02:55:16]

Inssomniak:

worth it for that

[02:55:28]

Inssomniak:

unfortunately Im still locked into the VGA world

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|Torg|:

$100 for a spdif sound card????

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Inssomniak:

nonon

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CyberKnet:

|Torg|: not a sound card... video card

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CyberKnet:

that has spdif input

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Inssomniak:

7600gs nvidia card, with HDMI+audio support from spdif port

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|Torg|:

its overkill, but ok

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defaultro:

tjcarter, you said don't bother with VGA?

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CyberKnet:

Only problem now is ... get an nvidia card with a binary driver, or wait for open source AMD drivers

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|Torg|:

5900 with a seperate sound card works fine

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|Torg|:

CyberKnet by that time quad core cpus will become common

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Inssomniak:

|Torg|, sure does but he has some need to preserve inputs?

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CyberKnet:

|Torg|: I suspect as much

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|Torg|:

perserve inputs?

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Inssomniak:

on his TV or something I didnt ask lol

[02:57:16]

tjcarter:

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=3570

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tjcarter:

you could almost do it with a passive cable though

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|Torg|:

running spdif to a TV is insane, unless it has hookups for rear speakers and a subwoffer

[02:57:49]

tjcarter:

well, you CAN do it with a cable

[02:57:52]

tjcarter:

that's a repeater though

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|Torg|:

2 maybe 3 speakers does not equate to surround sound

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defaultro:

does TV now have spdif in?

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Inssomniak:

yea some do

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defaultro:

oh ok

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drp:

Torg: I tried changing the interfaces file with dhcp or static. no go. ifconfig shows eth0 has no inet address (IP). trying to set an ip through ifconfig result in a host lookup error. any other thoughts?

[02:58:15]

Inssomniak:

and some have output

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defaultro:

it's an overkill though

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defaultro:

most tv only have 2 speakers

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|Torg|:

drp, did you setup netmask and brodacast too?

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Inssomniak:

but I agree whats the point of a nice 50 inch plasma to use its built in cheeze speakers

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drp:

yes

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defaultro:

exactly

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CyberKnet:

My tv only has two speakers... but that card would let me use only 1 hdmi port, and not have to use hdmi port + audio inputs from the composite input

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|Torg|:

my 61" DLP has two internal speakers that I dont even us to run my xbox audio though for games

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** CyberKnet just got 50" plasma and is using built-in cheese speakers **

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defaultro:

I'm using VGA to my hdtv

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Inssomniak:

CyberKnet, remember composite input is a "video" input

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|Torg|:

DVI to HDMI for tv, seperate sound card for SPDIF

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|Torg|:

vido card is a 5900, cheaperst I could find for the system

[03:00:16]

|Torg|:

sound card was $30

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defaultro:

that's a great deal

[03:00:31]

defaultro:

i got my vidcard for $190 2 years ago

[03:00:32]

defaultro:

:(

[03:00:40]

defaultro:

and now i guess, it's just 40

[03:00:41]

|Torg|:

bought a $75 high end dvi cable that was 2' lond

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CyberKnet:

Inssomniak: Yes, but I am input limited... so if I can move it off of composite to hdmi ... that might be worth it ... otherwise I have to get a composite input switch

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|Torg|:

needer a 5' one, paid $35 for it and it works just as good

[03:01:27]

defaultro:

problem with hdmi is that they can't go beyond more than 30 ft. Don't know if there are now amplifiers for it

[03:01:28]

** CyberKnet ordered 6' hdmi cable from monoprice.com for $3.50 **

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Inssomniak:

CyberKnet, are your sure your TV doesnt have a matching audio input for your HDMI port?

[03:02:02]

defaultro:

that's really a good deal

[03:02:13]

CyberKnet:

Inssomniak: It uses the audio input from one of the component inputs

[03:02:22]

Inssomniak:

ohhh one of those

[03:02:35]

CyberKnet:

Inssomniak: Yes... which is why I was saying I am input limited.

[03:02:38]

defaultro:

cyberknet, you really got a great deal specially, that signals will be the same as other cables. Just 1s and os

[03:02:43]

Inssomniak:

I hate TV manufacturers that do that

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CyberKnet:

defaultro: thanks... that's their every day price though.

[03:03:24]

CyberKnet:

I dunno how they get them so cheap, but I know a ton of people that are actively using the cables and not having any trouble.

[03:03:32]

defaultro:

we did a comparison before at my house and we didn't see difference at all

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CyberKnet:

Inssomniak: it was bearable when I thought I had two composite inputs, two component inputs and two hdmi inputs ... when I realized one of those composite inputs was an output ... no longer OK

[03:04:13]

defaultro:

i kept mine using vga

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defaultro:

and pic quality is phenomenal

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|Torg|:

mine is actually a DVI to HDMI, but I could have gotten it cheper if I wasnt so imapteint :)

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defaultro:

:)

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** Inssomniak is confined to VGA **

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defaultro:

use vga

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Inssomniak:

my PJ doesnt have anything better, but hey, the picture quality is still amazing

[03:05:22]

defaultro:

i'm still looking for CRT projector

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defaultro:

i really love crt, I have compared the pic quality to high end 1080p digital projectors and still doesn't match crt's capabilities

[03:06:01]

defaultro:

but they're getting better

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Inssomniak:

defaultro, I agree but I cant stand the convergence problems with them :(

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|Torg|:

id get a plasma or dlp if they came in 1080I and not that screwed up 1366x786 crap

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defaultro:

i have to do convergence once a year

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defaultro:

and it is still sharp

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defaultro:

the one thing i love with my rptv crt is that, it's like film, like real

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Inssomniak:

|Torg|, some companies make native 1080I LCD panels, and LCD RPTVs, LCD projectors

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defaultro:

when i watch at my friends 1080p hdtv, it's sharp but something is missing

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|Torg|:

yes Inssomniak for outragous prices

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defaultro:

the 3dness is missing

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Inssomniak:

yup

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|Torg|:

that and 1080I on my DLP works fine

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defaultro:

the only thing i;m worried with crt pj is the maintenance

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|Torg|:

I just dont like the $250 bulbs

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Inssomniak:

I bought for a company a native 1080i LCD flat panel for a company, for 1300 bux and that was almost a year ago

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defaultro:

my friend's bulb died last week and he needs to buy again for $470

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defaultro:

ouch, it only lasted for 1300 hours

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Inssomniak:

defaultro, and they cant get quite as bright as a LCD/DLP though

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defaultro:

my other friends who are using crt pj, their tube hours are now at 8000 hours and still going

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Inssomniak:

1300 hours, Im well over that on mine and its still going good

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defaultro:

Insomniak, bulb is for digital

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defaultro:

tube is for crt

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Inssomniak:

I know lol

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defaultro:

are you aware of that?

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defaultro:

ok

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Inssomniak:

CRt projectors cant get as bright as a LCD though,

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defaultro:

that is true, it's for dedicated home theaters

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defaultro:

that's where i am going to put it and not on family room

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Inssomniak:

I repair TVs on the side :) lol of course I know :)

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

family rooms are bright. CRTs are good on rooms where light can be controlled

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|Torg|:

what i dont get is the hype of 1080P, 1080I actually looks better

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defaultro:

Torg, nope

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defaultro:

1080p is amazing

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Inssomniak:

the only 1080p Ive seen in my xbox 360

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defaultro:

maybe, the setup you saw is not good

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|Torg|:

defaultro what do you mean nope, its my opinion :P

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

i have seen 1080p and my jaw dropped

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CyberKnet:

It depends on what you are looking at... Progressive scan and interlace both have their strong points in different scenarios

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Inssomniak:

yeap

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defaultro:

I am already amazed with my 1080i but when i saw a 1080p crt, oh my god

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defaultro:

i had some screenshots before of my crt but i can't access them anymore

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defaultro:

let me try again

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|Torg|:

I watch football (american that is) on my 1080I DLP and its jaw dropping, watching it on a smaller 1080P at the store and its not as impressive

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|Torg|:

you can see artifact and tearing with the 1080P you dont see with my 1080I

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|Torg|:

so as far as im concered ill stick with my DLP

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defaultro:

i don't see any artifact

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/JVC_HD_61Z575A

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|Torg|:

thats my tv, the pitcure was scaled down more then 2:1 so the wiki could accept the filesize

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defaultro:

I went to bestbuy the other day and we look at some of their high ends HDTV, LCD, DLP had some pixelization when there is fast moving object

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jhulst:

I had a script on my old machine, mythlink I believe it was, that would create symbolic links to the tv shows, does anyone know where I can find that script?

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defaultro:

my screenshots are gone :( http://web.archive.org/web/20070212125605/res . . . pc2hdtv.html

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|Torg|:

jhulst its part of knoppmyth

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cesman:

jhulst: it is in the contrib dir

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|Torg|:

defaultro you shoudl put it on the wiki :P

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jhulst:

cesman: thanks

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cesman:

|Torg|: it isn't KnoppMyth specific

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defaultro:

it was actually on my old firewall which is still on the basement

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defaultro:

however, I forgot which box it was

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cesman:

we just try and make the good stuff default ;)

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|Torg|:

cesman I didnt say it was, I said it was part of it

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defaultro:

i've got 7 pc boxes in the basement

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cesman:

jhulst: you're welcome

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|Torg|:

all myth boxes are dvrs, not all dvrs are mythboxes

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defaultro:

nice screenshot

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defaultro:

oh my old missed basement, http://web.archive.org/web/20060620214516/res . . . rg/wttw2.jpg

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|Torg|:

I saw that US Digital box you were using, I thoguht it was USD TV :P

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defaultro:

where is it?

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|Torg|:

is that a subwoffer in the left side of teh picture?

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defaultro:

yes

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|Torg|:

After almost a year of usage, that was early December 2004, I realized that I was not using the full potentials of my hdtv. So, I went to Wal-Mart and bought the US Digital HDTV receiver.

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defaultro:

that sub shakes my whole first floor

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defaultro:

ah :D hehehee

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|Torg|:

I thoguth it was USD TV, my free OTA cable with BS quailty on ATSC

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|Torg|:

what model is the sub, I want one :)

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defaultro:

no, don't go with that one

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defaultro:

i have better option for

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defaultro:

you

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defaultro:

which i will do when I build my basement

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defaultro:

it's called infinite baffle

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|Torg|:

the system im using now is about 7 years old, I want to put the old subwoffer behsin ghe courch and install a new one

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defaultro:

man, go search that

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|Torg|:

I dont want to hear it, I want to FEEL it :P

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defaultro:

then infinite baffle will shake your city

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|Torg|:

the cows will enjoy it :P

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defaultro:

someone bought 4 18inches drivers

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defaultro:

he got scared when he watched a movie

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|Torg|:

im not cutting into my walls tho

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defaultro:

then put a false wall

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defaultro:

or ceiling

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Dagmar:

Just paint copper traces on the wall

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Inssomniak:

I have a 12 inch driver in a bandpass box meant for a car, with a 200 watt car amp behind my couch :)

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Dagmar:

Will molten copper

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|Torg|:

my house is 1500 saure feet, I dont want to loose more room

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Dagmar:

s/Will/With/;

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

my sub is called SVSwoofer

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|Torg|:

I took 2500 square feet of furante and made it fit, its tight enough already

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defaultro:

i will sell it next year once I get 4 15" or 18" drivers

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defaultro:

it;s 20–39PCi model

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defaultro:

they have other models that can go as low as 10hz

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defaultro:

mine can only do 18hz

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defaultro:

which is still infrasonic

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defaultro:

it's not loud, but tight, and sometimes moves my pants :D

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|Torg|:

so this is just a box? whats the baffles?

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defaultro:

the IB?

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|Torg|:

yes

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defaultro:

they have 2 options

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Dagmar:

Why can't people just say "subsonic" anymore

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defaultro:

one is manifold and the other one is array

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defaultro:

ok, then subsonic

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defaultro:

:D

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|Torg|:

two drives mounted in oposition, I still dot get the baffle part tho

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|Torg|:

err drivers

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defaultro:

the baffle part will be the manifold

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defaultro:

it's open design

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defaultro:

the website can explain it better

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|Torg|:

thats what im looking at

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defaultro:

cool

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CyberKnet:

hmmm.... no micro-atx motherboards with spdif

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defaultro:

don't know when I will have it. I have to start building the basement first

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|Torg|:

hence my commont about how im not tearing into the wall

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defaultro:

then just go with the SVS woofer I bought

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defaultro:

i'm very happy with it

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defaultro:

it's not boomy

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defaultro:

but shakes my couch even if you can't hear it

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defaultro:

maybe because of the air it's pushing out

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defaultro:

that's only at 18hz, but what if you buy that 14–46 model, that would be awesome

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defaultro:

or was it 10–46, lemme look

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defaultro:

here are your choices, http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl.cfm go with ultra buddy

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defaultro:

it changed my viewing experience

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defaultro:

before, I only had 2 paradigm atoms

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defaultro:

watching was fine

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|Torg|:

wow thats a $1400 subwoffer

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defaultro:

but now, i'm still using those 2 bookshelf speaker, but sound is phenomenal especially on the old house

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defaultro:

I paid $599

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defaultro:

it's just the pci

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defaultro:

but they gave me a free analog spl meter

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defaultro:

and am very glad that mythtv supports spdif passthrough, woohoo!!!

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defaultro:

there's tons of LFE on NUMB3RS

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|Torg|:

heheh its not spdif passthough

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tjcarter:

numb3rs.. math--, lfe++

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tjcarter:

nobody will notice the difference

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defaultro:

:)

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|Torg|:

Ive maintained for years a good surround sound system will upgrade your viewing more then a new tv

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|Torg|:

it still will

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|Torg|:

ive played shitty DVDs with a good surround sound, they notice the LFE and the positional audio and forget about the shitty 480

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defaultro:

yes, having a good audio definitely changes viewing experience

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defaultro:

i learned a lot of techniques from avsforum.com especially when calibrating lfe

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defaultro:

480, you mean Y coor?

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|Torg|:

you do know myth dosnt do spdif passthough right? thats like saying my ethernet card does cat5 pasthoguh

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defaultro:

yes, it's the driver

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defaultro:

i should have said, it's has support

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|Torg|:

it does DTS passthough SPDIF is just the iec958 connector and cable conncted from your sound card to decoder

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|Torg|:

more exactly S/PDIF

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defaultro:

yep

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|Torg|:

I dont even think my sound card refernces spdif anywaher, I just all the alsa output I made spdif :)

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|Torg|:

card 0: CMI8738MC8 [C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC8], device 2: CMI8738-MC8 [C-Media PCI IEC958]

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|Torg|:

I just tie its two DACs to it

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defaultro:

me too, my analog also gets sent out via spdif

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|Torg|:

card 0: CMI8738MC8 [C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC8], device 0: CMI8738-MC8 [C-Media PCI DAC/ADC]

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|Torg|:

and

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|Torg|:

card 0: CMI8738MC8 [C-Media PCI CMI8738-MC8], device 1: CMI8738-MC8 [C-Media PCI 2nd DAC]

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|Torg|:

thats my real expensice SiiG card that cost like $29.95

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

mine is built in plus an analog card which a friend gave to me

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defaultro:

card 0: CK8S [NVidia CK8S], device 0: Intel ICH [NVidia CK8S] and card 0: CK8S [NVidia CK8S], device 2: Intel ICH – IEC958 [NVidia CK8S – IEC958]

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defaultro:

card 1: AudioPCI [Ensoniq AudioPCI], device 0: ES1371/1 [ES1371 DAC2/ADC] and card 1: AudioPCI [Ensoniq AudioPCI], device 1: ES1371/2 [ES1371 DAC1]

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|Torg|:

http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=74839

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|Torg|:

aw hell, there $9 now

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defaultro:

the analog chip is crappy on my spdif

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defaultro:

that's why i added that ensoniq

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|Torg|:

mine is too I have to nail the rate to 48K to get it to work

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defaultro:

i couldn't stand the static when recording from analog chip of Fusion HDTV to the spdif

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|Torg|:

mine works flawless, always has

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defaultro:

so i connected Fusion HDTV out to the analog pci card

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defaultro:

for digital, no issues

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|Torg|:

only problem I have is spaeker-test only works in 2 channel moe

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defaultro:

i'm talking about the onboard sound chip

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defaultro:

it's a gigabyte mobo

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|Torg|:

ahh I disabled mine becase its a POS

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|Torg|:

what model?

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defaultro:

GA-K8NS

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defaultro:

the digital is awesome

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defaultro:

no issues

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defaultro:

but analog is friggin crappy

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|Torg|:

mine is a ECS board, the onboard audio sucks

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defaultro:

k

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tjcarter:

ew

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tjcarter:

you bought an ECS?

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tjcarter:

as in paid money for?

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|Torg|:

I hols the memory, a CPU and one IDE drive, I dint really care

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defaultro:

next time i buy, i will buy gigabyte again

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|Torg|:

as long as I could plug in an AGP card (becae I had an old 5900) and had a spare PCI slot for my "high end" audio card

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defaultro:

i never had any issues with it for more than 2 years

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|Torg|:

and becase I got eh P4 on sale

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defaultro:

actually, I have a P3 875mhz something, I don't know where I can use it for

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|Torg|:

other then it peing a pain becase its the ONLY intel I own, its fine

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|Torg|:

mysql server? dns server? samba master?

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defaultro:

that can be

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|Torg|:

mail server? put apache on it and use it for mythweb?

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|Torg|:

firewall? (its overkill but it works)

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defaultro:

firewall is on p2 and running openbsd's pf

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defaultro:

with 98mb ram :P

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|Torg|:

firewall on a Geode SC100 from CF flash card

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

never heard of that

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|Torg|:

boot time to BSD and firewall, about 15 second

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|Torg|:

http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap.htm

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defaultro:

that's very long wait

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defaultro:

mine is just 2 secs

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|Torg|:

I could reboot it to see , it would knock me offline

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defaultro:

i was just kidding dude

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defaultro:

that's really fast

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defaultro:

so what do you think about that invention? is it secure? reliable?

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defaultro:

is it an appliance?

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|Torg|:

invention?

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defaultro:

the SC100 :)

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defaultro:

mythtv is another great invention

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|Torg|:

oh its a appliance based board, for specialised use

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defaultro:

when I use invention, it means that it's an awesome piece of software/hardware

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|Torg|:

its x86 complaint runs sorta slow tho

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|Torg|:

its well sutied as my secondary firewall tho

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defaultro:

oops, when I say invention, .......

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defaultro:

ok

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|Torg|:

its what sits in front of me and the wireless acess point

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|Torg|:

I in efect, have a DMZ

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

try openbsd, it's cool too

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Inssomniak:

mikrotik :)

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|Torg|:

noting is in the DMZ and if you somehow cracked my WPA key all you could do is steal bandwidth

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defaultro:

i had an invisible firewall back in 2002 or 3

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defaultro:

it was openbsd based

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|Torg|:

I run ipchains off a sparc classic since the 90's

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defaultro:

hmmm

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|Torg|:

I stil havce the sparc classic, and it still works

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defaultro:

we didn't have ipchains back then

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defaultro:

we used ipmasqquerading

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defaultro:

oooh

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|Torg|:

yes that too and ipfilter

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defaultro:

you are correct

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|Torg|:

it was upgraded more then once

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defaultro:

iptables is the new name

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defaultro:

old was ipchains

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: is it running SunOS and therefore totally secure by virtue of the fact that the exploits are too new to work on it? =D

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|Torg|:

was running Auora

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|Torg|:

no ports are open on it, never were

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|Torg|:

same with my firewall now, well except GRE

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defaultro:

like openbsd, you have to turn it on one by one

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tjcarter:

I didn't really have the chance to play with many Sun boxes back in the day, aside from Teleport's shell servers

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|Torg|:

my ultra3 runs solaris 8 and my sunblade 200 runs solaris 10

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|Torg|:

err 2000

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|Torg|:

and ultra2

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rooaus:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

juski was last seen 7 days 3 hours 12 minutes 46 seconds ago

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|Torg|:

damn tyoing :P

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defaultro:

did you see my U1 sparc on the screenshots on the right hand side?

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|Torg|:

juski in in Greece, or so he said last Friday

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tjcarter:

sgi now..

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rooaus:

hmmm, he must be enjoying his holiday then

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|Torg|:

no defaultro I was too busy droling over the subwoffer :P

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

so are you buying one

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tjcarter:

You know the default change you must make on an IRIX box for network security right? =)

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|Torg|:

a new subwoffer, probbly not at the moment im just lookig

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defaultro:

k

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tjcarter:

... unplug it. ;p

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defaultro:

:P

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|Torg|:

the only performance tuning tool I know of to work 100% is to unplug the ethernet cable

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|Torg|:

works really well too :P

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tjcarter:

I was talking about the AC cable

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defaultro:

there was a funny jpg picture to make a very secure firewall

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defaultro:

it was hand drawn

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tjcarter:

I'm not sure unplugging the network cable is sufficient to make IRIX secure on the network.

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jams:

btw rooaus i was not trying to discourage you earlier. The idea is good.

[03:52:35]

defaultro:

the ethernet port and cable was connected to a 110ac slot :)

[03:52:53]

|Torg|:

I know to make a sun box secure you unplug the keyboard

[03:53:08]

defaultro:

that's one

[03:53:18]

defaultro:

then no monitor

[03:53:28]

|Torg|:

it wil stop-a the box :P

[03:54:02]

defaultro:

then ssh/telnet disabled

[03:54:09]

|Torg|:

what do you run off the U1, I can hardly tell its a UI and can only guess by the color of the decal :P

[03:54:21]

defaultro:

you can only manage by going directly to the machine and using serial port

[03:54:29]

|Torg|:

stop-a a sun box and it goes to OBP, about all you can do is ping it

[03:54:31]

defaultro:

it's a U1

[03:54:47]

|Torg|:

defaultro I belive you, whats on it?

[03:54:58]

defaultro:

i installed sol8 bfefore, then i also installed debian for sparc

[03:55:11]

|Torg|:

my two classic and IPXs are in teh closet I dont run them

[03:55:13]

defaultro:

it was running apache before, now it's on the basement collecting dust

[03:55:28]

defaultro:

i hate that machine because it is slow

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|Torg|:

slow is a realative term :P

[03:55:53]

rooaus:

jams: No probs, I understand there is a bit of work... the biggest problem would be submitting patches. Probably would need to include some shell scripts.

[03:55:53]

defaultro:

hmmm, disk writes

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|Torg|:

slow is usualy slow ass memory and slower ass disk

[03:56:11]

defaultro:

yes, both

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|Torg|:

my SB 2000 runs fine with 8 way interleaved memory and 800Mhz dual cpus

[03:56:32]

defaultro:

it was just given to me by a prev officemate

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defaultro:

what's SB?

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|Torg|:

it putperforms my P4 3GHZ dual core, in many fucntions

[03:56:45]

|Torg|:

SunBlade

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I got those images... What do you mean when you say $MYSTERY_OS? – is that the Apple TV OS?

[03:56:52]

|Torg|:

there Sun workstations

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defaultro:

ah, I have sunblade in my cube too

[03:56:55]

defaultro:

but it's off

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: 9a527

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defaultro:

it's only got 128mb

[03:57:02]

defaultro:

LOL

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|Torg|:

mine has 1G in 128M sticks

[03:57:16]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – AHHH gotcha :)

[03:57:34]

tjcarter:

I have NFI if it's a bug or a change.

[03:58:07]

tjcarter:

But I figure that sooner or later that portion of code needs examination to do something about the drawing of the guide under the video

[03:58:22]

RyeBrye:

Probably a bug – since it doesn't do that on 8R2232

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defaultro:

are you guys going to record Bionic Woman?

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tjcarter:

Given that OSD works, it's possible to do this right, but the Z order is coming out wrong.

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defaultro:

Heroes is near too!

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|Torg|:

ill probbly record Bionic Womand, then enver watch it

[03:59:21]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: it doesn't happen in 8r2218

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defaultro:

:)

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|Torg|:

Mon 9/17 9:00 PM – Encoder 1 – KXAS-DT – Heroes

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jams:

rooaus- it will be tedious, heck it took me a week to move all my fonts into theme.xml

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: I plan on recording both :)

[03:59:44]

defaultro:

cool

[03:59:45]

|Torg|:

were still not on teh new season

[03:59:52]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I haven't bothered with the 9a stuff yet because it's still too far out for my tastes... I prefer when it gets closer to GM

[03:59:57]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: I don't dare install 8r2232, one beta OS is sufficient.

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defaultro:

i was wondering why I wasn't seeing Bionic Woman. I'll run mythfilldatabase now

[04:00:13]

tjcarter:

you realize that's like two weeks from now yes?

[04:00:15]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – 8r2232 is the latest release pushed down by apple

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tjcarter:

at the most.

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defaultro:

what about Moonlight, looks like it's cool too

[04:00:26]

defaultro:

and also Journeyman

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|Torg|:

Journeyman im recording

[04:00:42]

|Torg|:

well, will

[04:00:54]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: I didn't see it in Software Update this morning?

[04:01:00]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – yeah, but that build is about 17 days old now isn't it? I'll wait for the GM build to get pushed out :)

[04:01:17]

defaultro:

btw, which table is our SD password stored? Is it in settings table?

[04:01:24]

|Torg|:

yes

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defaultro:

ok

[04:01:33]

|Torg|:

how do I make it gather 14 days instead of 7?

[04:01:42]

tjcarter:

If not for some significant issues (namely, it broke PDFPenPro, which is an application I depend on), I'd be in 9a527 right now.

[04:01:42]

|Torg|:

its been so damn long now I forgot how I did it with Z2I

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tjcarter:

Although Front Row 2.0 is ... SLOW!

[04:02:04]

tjcarter:

I mean, I call it up and it looks like it doesn't happen

[04:02:14]

tjcarter:

then 2 minutes later as I'm doing other things it comes up

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tjcarter:

and works fine

[04:02:25]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I don't know when it got pushed out... but I've only down software updates on my machine here and that's the build number it reports

[04:02:29]

tjcarter:

I assume this is a bug ;)

[04:02:45]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – does it have a release java 1.6 on there?

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: I thought heroes was suppose to start on the 24th, not the 17th

[04:02:58]

tjcarter:

I haven't looked at Java honestly

[04:03:20]

GreyFoxx:

defaultro: EVen the nbc site shows the 24th

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RyeBrye:

ls /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/ and do you see 1.6 there?

[04:03:24]

defaultro:

it;s 24th

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|Torg|:

defaultro I was wrong its in videosource, not settings

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defaultro:

ah, that's why i couldn't find it :)

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** GreyFoxx is rebuilding his myth setup from scratch on SAturday **

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defaultro:

thanks for finding for me

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rooaus:

jams: Yeah, I have looked at the theme ui stuff a couple of times, it really does suck. As I don't have any real graphic design skills I thought if the theme stuff was easier to deal with then maybe more people will contribute new themes. :)

[04:03:57]

GreyFoxx:

new hardware, new distro install, etc

[04:04:03]

GreyFoxx:

and another 1.2T of space

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tjcarter:

1.3@ 1.3.1/ 1.4@ 1.4.1@ 1.4.2/ 1.5@ 1.5.0/ A/ Current@ CurrentJDK@

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GreyFoxx:

all to be ready for next week :)

[04:04:14]

tjcarter:

Not yet apparently

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|Torg|:

I just did a new upgade to 14490

[04:04:27]

RyeBrye:

tjcater - :( I heard it was goign to have 1.6 release pushed out with it... no more of this 1.6 DP crap

[04:04:27]

defaultro:

i'm jealous with your space GreyFoxx

[04:04:31]

|Torg|:

mostly I want to see if mythwether works any better

[04:04:37]

tjcarter:

we should probably be somewhat careful about this discussion though.. NDA and all.

[04:04:45]

RyeBrye:

True...

[04:04:55]

tjcarter:

(it was easier a couple of weeks ago when I knew all of the details I know now and wasn't under NDA)

[04:04:59]

tjcarter:

;)

[04:05:04]

RyeBrye:

;)

[04:05:21]

tjcarter:

someone else's neck, etc

[04:05:41]

tjcarter:

I guess I'll wait for next seed and see what shakes out

[04:05:49]

tjcarter:

next seed is probably GM anyway

[04:05:53]

GreyFoxx:

defaultro: There is never enough :)

[04:06:05]

RyeBrye:

did you look at that playback setting for the image fill method or whatever where you can set it to image, or whatnot...

[04:06:06]

tjcarter:

a fact which has a lot of us a little concerned at this stage actually

[04:06:07]

defaultro:

you must be recording tons of shows :D

[04:06:17]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – yeah, sounds shaky

[04:06:32]

tjcarter:

er playback setting?

[04:06:36]

defaultro:

GreyFoxx, how is your /video configured, RAID?

[04:06:38]

RyeBrye:

Let me find the one I'm talking about

[04:06:54]

jams:

GreyFoxx- new distro? did i finally convert you ;)

[04:07:01]

GreyFoxx:

jams hehe

[04:07:16]

|Torg|:

I undid my raid for sotrage groups

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GreyFoxx:

I'm actually not decided on what distro, but I haven't reinstalled my master backend in a few years

[04:07:29]

GreyFoxx:

defaultro: Multiple raid sets

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defaultro:

k

[04:07:39]

GreyFoxx:

currently in 2 boxes

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jams:

must be slackware 9

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GreyFoxx:

jams: 10.1 :)

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defaultro:

jams, what distro are you recommending to GreyFoxx

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx go with Debian :)

[04:07:58]

tjcarter:

playback profiles ... this is new?

[04:08:04]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – sorry – appearance... The "use transparent boxes" and the "popup background shading method" – probably wont fix it but it's worth a shot

[04:08:15]

RyeBrye:

I thnk it's on page2 or 3

[04:08:19]

** defaultro learned Slackware first, his first linux hands on, kernel 1.2.13 :D **

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: the odds of me changing distros is unlikely, I'm I'm open to it right now

[04:08:43]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: changing from alpha under appearance fixed the font issue

[04:08:53]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: guide UNDER paused video ... that I don't know.

[04:09:17]

jams:

defaultro- just some stuff i'm tinking around. Greyfoxx gave it a look a few weeks back.

[04:09:32]

defaultro:

which distro, slackware?

[04:09:34]

|Torg|:

my first Linux box was yggdrasil froma CD in the back of unix toady magazine, I cant even remebree what kernel it was

[04:09:50]

defaultro:

you were lucky, you were already using cd

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: Slackware is by far my favourite. I use it on everything.

[04:09:57]

defaultro:

we used 1.44 floppies before :D

[04:09:58]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – hopefully the next seed will fix it all.... or else perhaps they will have a "time machine" to go back to Tiger :)

[04:10:03]

GreyFoxx:

but I am considering trying something different :)

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tjcarter:

=p

[04:10:43]

GreyFoxx:

my problem is that I detest pretty much all package systems that aren't just basic tarballs :)

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|Torg|:

so what do I need to do to tell my Sd grabber to get 14 days, not 7?

[04:10:54]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: guide under paused video isn't a $MYSTERY_OS feature, it's been part of MythFrontend.app all throughout 0.20

[04:11:04]

tjcarter:

continues to be an issue in trunk

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defaultro:

Here is my order of os usage in years, Slackware, Redhat, Suse, FreeBSD, Redhat, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD again, FC.... :P

[04:11:19]

|Torg|:

yuo remeber all those?

[04:11:20]

defaultro:

oh, i forgot debian

[04:11:21]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Using the myth built in grabber? I think it's 14 by default.

[04:11:36]

defaultro:

I remember some but it's hard

[04:11:37]

GreyFoxx:

I didn't realize it could be set lower

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – that's strange.

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|Torg|:

yes GreyFoxx builnt in, neve did anyhting more then set it up. apears to be grabbing 7 days tho

[04:11:46]

jams:

defaultro- it's loosely based on archlinux.

[04:11:52]

GreyFoxx:

weird

[04:11:53]

defaultro:

k

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: do you not get that problem?

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|Torg|:

I did RH, mandrake, RH, FC, Suse, Debina

[04:12:16]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I don't think so. How do you get it? Just pause video and open the guide?

[04:12:26]

** defaultro 's mythfilldatabase is finished. Checking Bionic Woman now **

[04:12:28]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: just hit s while watching something

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jams:

defaultro- you can poke around mythvantage.com if you want. Not much to see though

[04:12:43]

defaultro:

oh, let me look at it now

[04:13:16]

defaultro:

you built it?

[04:13:21]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – for a split second the content is in front of the guide, but then the video window gets resized and goes up to the top right corner

[04:13:21]

jams:

yeah

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defaultro:

very cool

[04:13:35]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: I don't have that.

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defaultro:

will it work with my homebrew hardware

[04:13:50]

jams:

just playing around, learning c++ as i go

[04:13:55]

defaultro:

like the serial based infrared receiver I built

[04:14:14]

defaultro:

i also want to learn c++ but don't know where to start :P

[04:14:26]

|Torg|:

with C

[04:14:36]

defaultro:

I know C but a little

[04:14:42]

defaultro:

i was ok back in college

[04:15:01]

defaultro:

i love programming the registers :D

[04:15:07]

defaultro:

like those intr 13h

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|Torg|:

I learned it from a set calld Coranado a while back, I think you can still find those lessions on line

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defaultro:

regs ah on service 5

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RyeBrye:

It's ok – learning C++ is only half the battle if you want to do stuff with MythTV – After getting the basics of C++ down you then have to learn QT crap

[04:15:28]

defaultro:

oh

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: new email

[04:15:33]

RyeBrye:

k

[04:15:49]

defaultro:

do i need to buy a book for C++ or it's just a waste of money?

[04:15:59]

RyeBrye:

cppreference.com

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defaultro:

cool

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RyeBrye:

good API reference

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|Torg|:

I dont know C++ well enogh to program in it, rather I can just write custom patches

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defaultro:

I learned a lot in pascal using their API book

[04:16:30]

defaultro:

they have examples on how to use it :P

[04:16:34]

defaultro:

that's what I want too

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|Torg|:

hell I learned Cobol and Fortran in school

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defaultro:

PIC 99

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defaultro:

:D

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RyeBrye:

There are tons of good books – Code Complete is a good general programming one that also has some C++ examples...

[04:16:53]

|Torg|:

if I can learn those I thought, C would be easy

[04:17:08]

defaultro:

I programmed in OS34 in school too

[04:17:17]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – what theme are you using? I'm using MythMediaCenterWide and have no problems

[04:17:23]

defaultro:

lol, you have to count the screen for the gotoxy

[04:17:38]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – sorry... MythCenter

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defaultro:

thanks for the link, I will bookmark it

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx you were correct I neglected to read that line in mythweb that said

[04:17:59]

|Torg|:

next 10 shows

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RyeBrye:

defaultro – del.icio.us search for C++ and you'll find some good stuff in there

[04:18:10]

defaultro:

funny link name :)

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|Torg|:

I went to upcomming and its all there :)

[04:18:29]

rooaus:

RyeBrye: Can you restate the problem?

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defaultro:

that's a cool link

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: Currently Pear-ody

[04:18:43]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: but also Blootubelite-wide

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defaultro:

what do I need on my linux box to do c++ programming?

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|Torg|:

vi?

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tjcarter:

testing mythcenter-wide

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defaultro:

of course :)

[04:19:27]

defaultro:

what is the compiler? is it also gcc

[04:19:28]

|Torg|:

g++ would help as well as the ld tools

[04:19:42]

RyeBrye:

defaultro – time. :)

[04:19:42]

tjcarter:

I was thinking maybe playback setting or something

[04:19:42]

defaultro:

so yum search what?

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defaultro:

time is ok, I love studying

[04:19:58]

|Torg|:

g++ and you can mismatch gcc and g++ and come out with some rather screwed up binaries be carefull to kep them the same

[04:19:59]

Anduin:

defaultro: gcc-g++

[04:20:00]

defaultro:

what compiler do I need to install

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tjcarter:

yes, same problem

[04:20:05]

defaultro:

cool Anduin

[04:20:11]

rooaus:

defaultro: g++ and build-essentials

[04:20:22]

defaultro:

ok

[04:20:24]

RyeBrye:

defaultro – I think you should start with something simple...

[04:20:37]

RyeBrye:

defaultro – I started by completely rewriting the Linux Kernel in a clean room, for instance

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RyeBrye:

;)

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defaultro:

lol, rewriting kernel, that's way over my head

[04:20:57]

RyeBrye:

I was joking...

[04:21:02]

RyeBrye:

I don't know shit about kernel programming

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defaultro:

:P

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|Torg|:

#include <iostream.h>

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defaultro:

me too, I only know how to compile and apply patch, and modify some c files if something is incorrect. Very light errors only

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|Torg|:

main ()

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|Torg|:

{

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rooaus:

RyeBrye: Is the problem you are having when bringing up the epg from within a recording/livetv?

[04:21:43]

|Torg|:

cout << "Hellow Workd!";

[04:21:46]

|Torg|:

retrun 0;

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|Torg|:

}

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|Torg|:

:P

[04:21:50]

defaultro:

BAM

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RyeBrye:

rooaus – tjcarter is having the problem. I'm not having it.

[04:21:55]

defaultro:

here is mine

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defaultro:

10 PMODE 4,1

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|Torg|:

oh and fix my mistyping

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defaultro:

20 GOTO 500,100

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rooaus:

RyeBrye: sorry

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defaultro:

30 line (300,200) to (500,100)

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RyeBrye:

defaultro – if you want a list of projects to try to hammer out – there is a good C++ intro course that is also and advanced programming course at BYU where I went – the list of projects they have students write is here: http://faculty.cs.byu.edu/~rodham/cs240/projects.html

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: yes

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RyeBrye:

rooaus – np

[04:22:29]

defaultro:

do you remember those coding folks?

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defaultro:

thanks RyeBrye, i look at it

[04:23:10]

defaultro:

yum didn't find gcc-g++

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RyeBrye:

defaultro – the first 3 on there are not too bad... They are designed so that after you have written them once you can re-write them later in the "programming exam" in under an hour or two...

[04:23:32]

|Torg|:

here compile this "main() {}"

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|Torg|:

wont do shit, but its a valid program

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defaultro:

:)

[04:23:54]

defaultro:

void

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defaultro:

return ptr

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defaultro:

heheh

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rooaus:

tjcarter: So is the problem when you bring the epg up when in livetv or a recording?

[04:24:17]

tjcarter:

rooaus: yes

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Anduin:

defaultro: sorry gcc-c++

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defaultro:

oh ok

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|Torg|:

Anduin is that the name of the package?

[04:24:42]

Anduin:

|Torg|: it is

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|Torg|:

ahh I was wondering :)

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defaultro:

it won't break my existing gcc correct?

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|Torg|:

its apt-cache search g++ :P

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Anduin:

defaultro: It will not

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|Torg|:

its seperate

[04:25:09]

defaultro:

LOL, gcc-c++.i386 4.1.1–30 installed

[04:25:10]

rooaus:

tjcarter: do you have the guide jumppoint and guide binding in tvplayback set to the same key?

[04:25:19]

|Torg|:

like I said you can have gcc 3.x and g++ 4.x

[04:25:22]

|Torg|:

DONT, but you can

[04:25:29]

tjcarter:

rooaus: I didn't set them that way

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defaultro:

i need to learn first how to compile using g++

[04:25:36]

|Torg|:

defaultro have you ever compiled myth?

[04:25:39]

defaultro:

yes

[04:25:45]

|Torg|:

then OF COURSE you have it :P

[04:25:51]

defaultro:

i don't want that beceause it's high level

[04:26:00]

|Torg|:

g++ works the same as gcc for compiling

[04:26:00]

defaultro:

i want something that we can run gcc -o some some.c

[04:26:06]

rooaus:

tjcarter: What is the problem you are seeing?

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defaultro:

oh, so it's the same?

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|Torg|:

g++ sometihng.cpp -o whatever

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|Torg|:

if not you get a.out bianires

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defaultro:

coolio

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tjcarter:

guide is s

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defaultro:

is c++ hot in the market as well?

[04:26:43]

tjcarter:

guide jumppoint is unset

[04:27:06]

tjcarter:

this may not work

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defaultro:

can I also program in c++ and have it connect to our oracle, then pull some data?

[04:27:15]

|Torg|:

you can call your source code whatever you damn well pleas too, .cpp is just the convention as .c is for C source

[04:27:41]

|Torg|:

you can compile a txt file if you want, g++ blah.txt will work if it contains c++ code

[04:27:57]

defaultro:

yeah, there are no extensions in Unix :)

[04:28:13]

tjcarter:

rooaus: if the dcc isn't working, I can forward the mail with image attached I just sent RyeBrye

[04:28:18]

|Torg|:

use the kiten sink programmng mething (oh object oriented), there is probbly a API with headders for Oracle as there are for MySql

[04:28:29]

defaultro:

k

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|Torg|:

then its seting up a socket, putting in a DB call and running it

[04:28:47]

|Torg|:

much like PHP or perl does it

[04:28:55]

defaultro:

so to be able to connect to a database, all we do is include <thatlibrary.h>?

[04:28:56]

|Torg|:

jsut slightly differnt syntax

[04:28:58]

rooaus:

tjcarter: it is just waiting to download @ 0%

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|Torg|:

usually defaultro, depends if thats all you need. IM certain youc an google it and come up with more then a few examples

[04:29:33]

defaultro:

k

[04:29:34]

tjcarter:

rooaus: yeah probably trying to do so from 192.168.7.3

[04:29:36]

RyeBrye:

Has anyone here worked with Adobe Flex much?

[04:29:42]

rooaus:

lol

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|Torg|:

http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/oci/occi/index.html

[04:29:56]

tjcarter:

some interesting bug with irssi and Linux IRC masq module

[04:30:01]

defaultro:

that's cool

[04:30:08]

RyeBrye:

instead of googling for code, you can use koders or krugle – both are good code search engines

[04:30:10]

tjcarter:

gimme an addy and I'll forward email

[04:30:17]

|Torg|:

http://www.codeproject.com/database/oracle_oci.asp

[04:30:17]

defaultro:

that's enough for my brain tonight

[04:30:20]

defaultro:

:P

[04:30:28]

|Torg|:

thats the firstr lnks off google becase im lazy :P

[04:30:33]

defaultro:

:D

[04:30:37]

RyeBrye:

defaultro – you shuold write an oracle module for MythTV

[04:30:39]

RyeBrye:

;)

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|Torg|:

its not a oracle moles

[04:30:54]

defaultro:

when I learn it, I want to share too

[04:30:58]

RyeBrye:

For all those Myth Users with hundreds of thousands of dollars to burn :)

[04:30:59]

|Torg|:

most the mysql calls are hard coded into it

[04:31:07]

RyeBrye:

ok, an oracle branch ten :)

[04:31:13]

|Torg|:

RyeBrye you can get an oracle light license

[04:31:14]

RyeBrye:

err... then

[04:31:15]

defaultro:

i wrote some few shell scripts before for myth but don't know where it is now

[04:31:27]

defaultro:

earlier days, it was tough inserting channels

[04:31:40]

|Torg|:

the exercise would be futile tho, mysql is better suited for myth then oracle tho

[04:31:51]

defaultro:

yes, mysql is really fast

[04:31:56]

RyeBrye:

yeah, it would be

[04:31:59]

defaultro:

i hate our oracle in the office, it's turtle

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|Torg|:

about the only thing Oracle would help with is that mythfilldatabse at 2AM

[04:32:51]

defaultro:

brb folks

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|Torg|:

other then that your selecting over and over and Oracles locking would kill you

[04:33:22]

|Torg|:

well most peopple onlyu have one FE and BE combined so they proobly would never even encounter locking

[04:33:47]

|Torg|:

pop in Oracle and watch your spin loock fly too, oracle is allot like my ex wife

[04:33:53]

|Torg|:

the more you give it the more it wants :P

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tjcarter:

rooaus: any sense out of that?

[04:33:59]

RyeBrye:

:)

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|Torg|:

all this wo you can slect a few rows to change a chanel!!!!!!

[04:34:43]

rooaus:

tjcarter: That certainly isn't the issue I though it might be... looks like the window stack isn't drawing/stacking properly. Are you using the qt or opengl painter?

[04:36:35]

tjcarter:

rooaus: OpenGL presently

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** tjcarter tests Qt **

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|Torg|:

well guys im off, take care

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rooaus:

tjcarter: try the qt painter, you can just override the painter fromthe command line if needed.

[04:37:53]

tjcarter:

same issue

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robbins876:

going to school in the day and then work at night is frying my brain!

[04:38:45]

robbins876:

especially since i work as a collector for a credit card company...this is going to be a long semester

[04:39:08]

tjcarter:

easier to change in setup and restart when you're using a Mac app bundle

[04:39:20]

rooaus:

tjcarter: I don't know then. Sorry, that wasn't much help.

[04:39:37]

tjcarter:

I think you're right about window stacking order

[04:40:20]

tjcarter:

I'm not familiar with the code though, so I wouldn't know what to look for

[04:40:44]

tjcarter:

My language is C, not C++/Qt

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rooaus:

tjcarter: I would post on the mailing list, maybe nigel might be able to help.

[04:41:58]

tjcarter:

I'm fairly well convinced the issue is Mac-only

[04:42:08]

tjcarter:

it's not a new bug ;)

[04:42:24]

tjcarter:

It's existed in all 0.20 builds for Intel Mac

[04:42:37]

tjcarter:

It didn't exist in 0.19 build for PPC Mac

[04:42:56]

tjcarter:

Couldn't tell you if this is an Intel issue or a 0.20 issue

[04:43:47]

tjcarter:

maybe there was something real recently that fixed it?

[04:44:07]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: My trunk build is a couple days old, are you using something more recent? ;)

[04:44:21]

rooaus:

tjcarter: Nigel is the Mac developer, so even searching the mail archives / tickets he was involved in might help.

[04:44:57]

rooaus:

Anyway I need to go pack the car, got a couple hour trip in front of me. goodluck.

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: do you get a failed patch apply in osx-packager.pl with current trunk?

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tjcarter:

related to some refactoring of a keyevent?

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d3ity:

hey guys, got an error message here with mysql.

[04:58:25]

d3ity:

http://pastebin.com/m1aa4942f

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d3ity:

anyone have an idea how I can fix that?

[04:58:57]

tjcarter:

with a hammer.

[04:59:10]

tjcarter:

sawzall?

[05:01:14]

tjcarter:

oh bleh, I assume you want a real answer and everybody else is idling

[05:01:57]

tjcarter:

and ... I have no idea what could cause this error you're seeing.. =(

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d3ity:

a real answer would be helpful

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tjcarter:

well, if some Myth guru doesn't show up soon and have a good answer, post to mailing list

[05:03:52]

tjcarter:

actually, do that anyway right now.

[05:04:49]

tjcarter:

if you get an answer here, follow up your own message with solution.. That way it's archived for next person

[05:04:52]

d3ity:

aye.

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robbins876:

is that a remote backend?

[05:08:21]

d3ity:

robbins876, yes

[05:08:43]

robbins876:

has it ever worked or are you setting it up for the first time?

[05:08:48]

d3ity:

worked yesterday

[05:08:55]

d3ity:

then it crashed last night, had to reboot the backend pc

[05:09:01]

d3ity:

how would I clear out all the mysql info and start over?

[05:09:29]

robbins876:

i think you just need to give the remote frontend access to the mysql database

[05:09:50]

robbins876:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php

[05:10:10]

robbins876:

scroll down and take a look at the remote front-ends section, it's a fedora guide, but it should all be pretty standard stuff

[05:10:46]

d3ity:

it's already been setup

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d3ity:

my mysql just crashed

[05:11:17]

d3ity:

All i think I need to do is remove all the mysql stuff for myth and redo it

[05:11:28]

robbins876:

i'm not really sure how to go about doing that

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robbins876:

is the mysql service running on the backend?

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d3ity:

yes

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Dagmar:

What you mean wipe the DB and start over?

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robbins876:

thank you jesus...

[05:12:38]

Dagmar:

?

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robbins876:

my knowledge goes as deep as checking to make sure there's gas in the non-working lawn mower

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Dagmar:

There's what, three maybe four steps to reinitializing the database?

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d3ity:

Dagmar, yes.

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Dagmar:

I'm not asking

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d3ity:

Dagmar, how would I wipe the db and start over

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Dagmar:

Shut down mysqld, rm -rf /var/lib/mysqld/*, run mysql_installdb, restart mysqld, feed the mc.sql file to the mysql binary to recreate the mythTV-specific tables, then re-run mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

Basically after mysql_installdb has been run, it's just straight out of the mysql section of the howto

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d3ity:

ok... did that

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d3ity:

Table './mythconverg/recorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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d3ity:

what to do about that?

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Dagmar:

There's a script shipped out with mythtv that fixes it

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Dagmar:

optimize_mythdb.pl

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cal:

why is it when i control-alt-f1 out of mythtv while video is playing, when i go back its frozen?

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Dagmar:

Those are called "crash bugs"

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cal:

is it somethign with just my system?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

[06:45:10]

jblack:

I received an email tonight that the privacy policy changed. The date on the privacy policy still says 8 sept, 2007, and I can't see any differences from the one that's been up all week.

[06:45:56]

Chutt:

did you agree to the earlier one?

[06:46:10]

Chutt:

to it earlier, rather

[06:46:18]

Tanthrix:

jblack: They just changed the font size slightly

[06:46:30]

jblack:

Chutt: No

[06:46:46]

Chutt:

jblack, probably a reminder, then.

[06:46:49]

jblack:

Tanthrix: Seriously?

[06:46:59]

Tanthrix:

jblack: No.

[06:47:31]

jblack:

Chutt: Actually, I've been pushing for changes to the PP due to the interaction between some of the clauses.

[06:47:39]

Chutt:

it took a month to get the first one done.

[06:47:46]

Chutt:

you think you'll get changes in a week?

[06:48:15]

jblack:

I'm trying real hard, because SD is going to cut my service tomorrow.

[06:48:55]

Chutt:

'trying'? =)

[06:50:15]

kormoc:

jblack, you realize that most of that is more for protection then real usage. It's better to say your phone number might go to the accountants for some now unknown reason then giving it without permission and getting sued...

[06:50:18]

jblack:

Yeah. Trying. :( I haven't succeeded yet. I've made progress though... I've gotten a shift from a "you can't read" to "it doesn't say that" to "you're complaining about things that haven't happened yet" to ominious silence. ;D

[07:00:17]

Dagmar:

So, in other words, you haven't cited a specific problem

[07:00:46]

jblack:

Acdtually, I have.

[07:01:30]

jblack:

Many times. I'll give you the forum post that covers everything best: http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=306

[07:01:43]

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Dagmar:

jblack: I suspect maybe you should cite *why* you think that's "unusually broad"

[07:03:01]

jblack:

I did.

[07:03:08]

Dagmar:

No, you didn't.

[07:03:14]

jblack:

I didn't

[07:03:19]

Dagmar:

Yes, you didn't.

[07:03:45]

Dagmar:

You went on to talk about various sections, but you failed to actually compare them to the privacy policies of other companies engaged in similar endeavors.

[07:03:51]

jblack:

I must have edited it out. I did provide examples of the time of other sites, such as yahoo and google, which have paid accounts, that don't require phone number and home address.

[07:04:18]

jblack:

I don't know in google's case. I do know in yahoo's case.

[07:05:49]

jblack:

I think that at the time I considered it obvious that most places are wililng to collect that sort of information, but don't specifically require it, unless items being shipped.

[07:06:45]

Dagmar:

So, if you can _opt out_ of the third party mailing stuff, I fail to see the problem there

[07:06:48]

kormoc:

other then having the upstream supplier of data requireing it?

[07:07:11]

Dagmar:

I also didn't notice anything being especially picky about my address field

[07:08:25]

kormoc:

jblack, see my reply

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Dagmar:

...and I fail to see how asking for a name field, a phone number, and an email address counts as "unneccessarilyl broad"

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Dagmar:

In fact, it *says* on the registration form that the phone number is optiona

[07:10:35]

jblack:

reading

[07:11:34]

jblack:

I think I'll need to do a follow writing to cover that too. It was covered here on irc, but not in what I wrote.

[07:11:38]

Dagmar:

For the purposes of auditing is why th rest of it is there

[07:12:04]

Dagmar:

This sounds quite a bit like "it's in the contract we have with TMS": In addition, in the event of an audit of Company by Supplier, Supplier may examine all user data collected by Company, which data may include Your PII.

[07:12:10]

jblack:

Basically there was common agreement here that it's common for companies to silently re-opt-in clients.

[07:12:22]

** kormoc blinks **

[07:12:29]

Chutt:

full refund is a button click away.

[07:12:36]

Dagmar:

jblack: So basically, you're saying that SD is going to be sending out Viagra spam

[07:12:44]

Chutt:

i'm going to call during dinner.

[07:12:45]

Chutt:

:p

[07:12:47]

jblack:

No. Basically, I'm saying they _can_

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** kormoc sighs **

[07:13:36]

kormoc:

jblack, why are you using myth? Myth could start uploading your home directorys to anywhere in the world silently cause it's not restricted to, yet you trust it not to. Why not the trust in SD?

[07:14:07]

Dagmar:

You realize of course that if they are audited by TMS, and then TMS has someone steal the info, what you want would make SD liable for that

[07:14:36]

jblack:

I can't answer both of you at the same time. Give me a chance to take this on one step at a time?

[07:15:05]

kormoc:

jblack, you also seem to be forgetting that SD is a non-profit company. They're not driven to make money. It's run by people who are not getting a cent for it...

[07:15:22]

Tanthrix:

I'd say IRC doesn't lend itself well to a conversation like this. Best stick to the forum's I'd say.

[07:15:27]

jblack:

I don't have the distrust in mythtv using my private information to contact me for marketing because 1) They dont' collect that information and 2) They don't have, and haven't asked for, a privacy policy that gives them permission to do so.

[07:15:47]

Dagmar:

...and you're wanting what, a clause that says "If you uncheck the Newsletter and Promotional Emails clauses in your registration, we promise never to ever reverse it"?

[07:16:00]

Dagmar:

There's *nothing* unusual in this agreement

[07:16:03]

Chutt:

i'm going to start selling the ip addresses of people visiting mythtv.org

[07:16:03]

jblack:

kormoc: I'd be satisfied if the marketing and promition exclusions were stricken.

[07:16:19]

Chutt:

jblack, opt out check-boxes in your account settings.

[07:16:40]

Dagmar:

You act like there's no recourse or something to stop the emails after you turn them off

[07:16:41]

jblack:

chutt: I have. You're missing some history though...

[07:16:57]

Chutt:

what, that you're basically saying that we're going to change those settings on you?

[07:17:06]

jblack:

When I first signed up for the service, there were no opt-out boxes. Those opt-in boxes were added after the fact, and I was silently added

[07:17:11]

kormoc:

<jblack> Basically there was common agreement here that it's common for companies to silently re-opt-in clients.

[07:17:21]

jblack:

chutt: It's already happened once, so I don't think that it can be held as impossible.

[07:17:24]

Chutt:

err

[07:17:31]

Chutt:

the website was still being written :p

[07:17:50]

Dagmar:

You weren't _re_added

[07:17:51]

Chutt:

ya know, the whole 'hard deadline to have service running' thing

[07:17:51]

kormoc:

jblack, would you have perfered to have no listings while the site was being perfected?

[07:17:55]

Dagmar:

You were put in at hte default

[07:18:09]

phedny_:

is it normal for mythcommflag to hog my CPU when it doens't have any jobs to process?

[07:18:09]

Chutt:

i do agree it should be opt-in, not out

[07:18:12]

phedny_:

USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND

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phedny_:

mythtv 1370 89.3 5.5 102200 53468 ? RNl Sep09 5861:09 /usr/bin/mythcommflag -j 166 -V 3

[07:18:22]

Chutt:

but, wasn't my decision.

[07:18:25]

jblack:

The default at the time I signed up was not to be opped in. That was changed after SD collected my money.

[07:18:46]

kormoc:

jblack, so again, just decline and you'll get a full refund

[07:18:53]

Dagmar:

So, exactly which is it?

[07:19:04]

jblack:

Which is what?

[07:19:09]

Dagmar:

One minute you say there were no opt-out boxes, the next you say you were opted out originally?

[07:19:26]

kormoc:

jblack, actually, the default when you signed up was opt-in without an ability to opt-out

[07:19:45]

jblack:

There were no opped in boxes. There was no privacy policy that I had agreed to saying I was not automatically opted in.

[07:20:07]

kormoc:

and there was no policy saying your email wasn't going to be used for spam and the like

[07:20:08]

Chutt:

there was (and still is) text saying that the privacy policy was temporary and you would have to agree to it later on.

[07:20:10]

Dagmar:

Of course there wasn't

[07:20:19]

jblack:

kormoc: When I signed up, there was no privacy policy. I'm one of the early signups, that became a paying member before there was anything.

[07:20:23]

Dagmar:

You weren't _re_opted in as you claim

[07:20:29]

Dagmar:

You were in there to begin with

[07:20:32]

Chutt:

and if you didn't like that, to please wait to sign up

[07:21:04]

jblack:

Why are all of you guys trying so hard to defend these marketing clauses?

[07:21:13]

Chutt:

because you have a silly argument =)

[07:21:13]

jblack:

_that_ is what really creeps me out about all this.

[07:21:13]

Dagmar:

Because we're literate?

[07:21:25]

Dagmar:

...and you can't seem to keep your stuff straight.

[07:21:46]

Dagmar:

If this is the way things have been going on the mailing list, it's no wonder they've lapsed into silence.

[07:21:47]

jblack:

Getting a little personal now?

[07:21:48]

kormoc:

jblack, well, Chutt is on the SD board, I'm helping with the site on a volunteer basis, Dagmar is a friend of the community...

[07:22:02]

Dagmar:

jblack: In that I am talking about you specifically, yes.

[07:22:21]

Dagmar:

You were never *re*opted in, yet you claim you were

[07:22:21]

Chutt:

like i said, full refund or friendly little opt-out boxes

[07:22:48]

Dagmar:

You fail to compare this privacy policy with any other, yet claim it's "unusually broad" which is simply not the case

[07:22:56]

Dagmar:

I've had to write these bloody things

[07:23:20]

jblack:

Ok, well, here's where I'm at. I'm trying to get you make any one of a list of modifications, some of which include me personally paying more money. The problem can be solved by adding one word.

[07:23:35]

Dagmar:

ORLY?

[07:24:21]

jblack:

I'm going to keep trying for a few more days. I think I can get you guys to get it. If not, that's when I'll ask the EFF and media involved. With a good explanation to the public, certainly someone will be able to understand and get the point across in a way that you guys can understand.

[07:24:24]

Dagmar:

You really dont want me taking your arguments apart on the list

[07:24:31]

Dagmar:

Call Jennifer right now

[07:25:01]

jblack:

I think that would work too. But if it doesn't work, then I plan on exploring other options.

[07:25:15]

Dagmar:

She's going to tell you to read other privacy policies, and remind you that NO one is foolish enough to put out a policy that leaves them responsible for what happens to information once it's in someone else's hands.

[07:25:16]

Chutt:

easier option it to just get your refund

[07:25:18]

kormoc:

jblack, why would the EFF care? SD isn't violating anything. it's just like any other company and not forcing you to use it

[07:25:51]

Dagmar:

It's not legally practical to do so, when the company is already bound to deliver up PII to TMS for auditing purposes

[07:25:54]

jblack:

I think they'd care for two reasons.

[07:26:04]

kormoc:

jblack, "EFF is a nonprofit group of passionate people ? lawyers, technologists, volunteers, and visionaries ? working to protect your digital rights"

[07:26:15]

kormoc:

jblack, what digital rights of yours have been taken away?

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[07:26:55]

jblack:

I had the right of policy prior to joining a paid relationship with SD. SD is trying to remove that privacy after the fact.

[07:27:00]

Dagmar:

Yeah there's a great argument... "If you guys won't believe me, I'll go get the EFF and then you'll be sorry."

[07:27:07]

jblack:

s/policy/privacy.

[07:27:24]

Dagmar:

jblack: I'm sure they can arrange a refund for you

[07:27:35]

xris:

jblack: did you even read the original (lack of) policy and SA?

[07:27:35]

Chutt:

we're offering to give you a _full_ refund. not charging you $5 for the month you've been getting data.

[07:27:43]

kormoc:

Dagmar, if he doesn't agree by a stated deadline (tomorrow), he'll be forced a full refund

[07:27:54]

xris:

kormoc: you're off by a day, but close enough

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[07:28:13]

jblack:

That'll get you guys into court.

[07:28:14]

kormoc:

xris, it's after midnight :P

[07:28:19]

xris:

oh.

[07:28:19]

xris:

heh

[07:28:20]

Dagmar:

jblack: You also overlooked this... "Company reserves the right to change this Policy at any time without prior notice."

[07:28:25]

Dagmar:

Which is *very* standard.

[07:28:33]

jblack:

You guys haqve already stated to me, in email, that service will be disabled, not canceled.

[07:28:37]

Chutt:

jblack, your damages will be about $15.

[07:28:46]

jblack:

Yeah. Kinda pointless.

[07:28:46]

Dagmar:

This _breaks_ your apparent claim that you paying money fixes the policy in place for you

[07:28:58]

kormoc:

jblack, and the difference is?

[07:29:12]

xris:

jblack: yup. disabled.. but we can't let that sit indefinitely. we *have* to eventually cancel accounts that don't agree to the PP or we can't file taxes, etc.

[07:29:36]

Chutt:

well, we could just assume people agree, like every other website out there.

[07:29:53]

jblack:

Yeah, I'm looking for the recent case that says that just changing policies doesn't count.

[07:29:55]

xris:

Chutt: yeah. always wondered why no one else picks up on that.

[07:30:10]

jblack:

Someone did. They're not enforceable. I can't find it right now though.

[07:30:19]

kormoc:

I think really jblack should just deal with the eff and talk to sd's lawyers

[07:30:42]

Dagmar:

The current legal status is that you generally get 30 days to call it quits on the agreement, which of course means you won't be using SD anymore

[07:30:49]

Dagmar:

Cell phone companies do this constantly

[07:31:16]

Chutt:

hey, neat, the ps3 finally found my wife's pictures

[07:31:35]

xris:

Dagmar: cell phone companies try to push it to 15 days sometimes. some new gov't bill is trying to mandate it at 30

[07:31:42]

Dagmar:

It's how you get out of a cell provider agreement without paying early termination, you simply wait until they change some tiny part of the agreement, and then you get a 30 day window to get out of the whole thing because the contract you signed off on is not the contract you're being held to now

[07:32:02]

Chutt:

Dagmar, has to be a materially adverse change for them to agree

[07:32:07]

Dagmar:

xris: Interesting, I've not heard of any of them using just 15 days

[07:32:22]

jblack:

All I want is the option to keep my phone number and home address private. Barring that, I want the opt-in to more clearly state that SD will never re-opt someone in upon (some penalty). Failing that, I'd like the marking clauses to be removed.

[07:32:24]

xris:

I forget which one it is.. I remember seeing it when I was shopping for new cell service a few months back

[07:32:34]

xris:

jblack: phone number is easy.. don't give it to SD.

[07:32:46]

xris:

home address is already defined by the PP as PII

[07:32:53]

Dagmar:

You'll never get that penalty clause

[07:33:10]

Dagmar:

No one ever makes those sorts of promises, and it would just beg to be abused

[07:33:49]

jblack:

xris: I'll be fine with that, if you change 1.a from "required" to "optionally"

[07:34:03]

xris:

jblack: pay attention to "for example"

[07:34:18]

jblack:

And as I said before, I'll put down the money to for the lawyer to do it.

[07:34:27]

Tanthrix:

Chutt: You sure about the cell phone thing? Seems that you should have the right to decline a change just if you damn well don't like it

[07:34:39]

xris:

jblack: it'd be wasted money, but you're welcome to do so.

[07:34:41]

Dagmar:

jblack: Which is one of the reasons non-profits like this don't do so well

[07:35:14]

jblack:

Seriously. LIke I said before, tell me how much I need to donate in order to get the satisfaction that I'm looking for.

[07:35:24]

Chutt:

Tanthrix, my brother tried to get out of a verizon contract due to a text messaging increase. he never had used any text messaging, so they wouldn't let him. then they just offered to pay the difference on his bill for a year.

[07:35:26]

xris:

Dagmar: btw, thanks for offering some sanity... some of us involved in writing the PP (the main reason we can't comment on it) have been wishing people would step up and explain some of those kinds of things.

[07:35:29]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Generally lawyers are lazy. Moving commas around, checking spelling and so forth, doesn't count as a material change

[07:35:49]

Dagmar:

xris: Before the dot-com boom I worked for Deloitte & Touche

[07:36:04]

Dagmar:

We had to actually come up with a privacy policy for our own internal website

[07:36:22]

kormoc:

jblack, you're better off just looking else where for your data.

[07:36:24]

jblack:

Would you guys change that one word for me, if I donate a thousand tonight/

[07:36:27]

xris:

jblack: at the moment, no amount of donation will get the PP changed or exclude you from its policies. The only way for you to "get out" is to cancel your account.

[07:36:31]

Dagmar:

I swear to god it felt like other departments were making us jump through hoops becuase they had some paranoid idea of what the internal security dept. was for

[07:36:56]

xris:

jblack: if you don't like SD, there *is* a for-profit competitor out there offering data. Granted, I haven't seen their PP yet.

[07:37:00]

kormoc:

jblack, SD is non-profit. attempting to 'bribe' them into chaging things doesn't really work...

[07:37:01]

jblack:

kormoc: There isn't anywhere else that I can find. That's why I'd rather chip in a thousand bucks, then spend the next eternity fighting a war of escalation with a screen scraper.

[07:37:12]

kormoc:

jblack, there are other places offering it

[07:37:14]

Tanthrix:

Chutt: That seems unfair, and my gut feeling says it wouldn't hold up in court. Commas / grammar / etc.. I can see not being material enough though

[07:37:14]

jblack:

xris: Oh?

[07:37:43]

xris:

jblack: they're a competitor, I'm not going to give you their name. They're also windows-only, but may eventually get a an xmltv grabber/converter of some sort.

[07:38:03]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Dunno, man... It's pretty easy to argue that a change to something you never used before is unlikely to be able to affect you

[07:38:20]

Chutt:

yup

[07:38:23]

jblack:

Oh, ok. I thnk I know who you're talking about. That's not a workable solution within the timeframe that I'm stuck working in

[07:38:31]

Dagmar:

Technically it's a breach, but that's a better example of weird non-material changes than I'd have thought ot

[07:39:34]

Chutt:

even moreso since they said they'd credit him the difference

[07:39:49]

jblack:

Ok, so, you guys said the EFF were involved in the pp?

[07:39:50]

Dagmar:

I like that bit. :)

[07:40:05]

xris:

jblack: no.. but people related to the EFF helped us find the law firm that did.

[07:40:15]

xris:

personal recommendations from (former) EFF lawyers, etc.

[07:40:19]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: True, but still, just because you haven't used something doesn't mean that you never will. I mean, if you signed up for AAA and they changed their rates on towing, it would still be an issue even if you had never needed their towing service before.

[07:40:49]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Yeah, but that's also a service you'd be _using_. AAA membership more or less sits there doing nothing if you don't need a tow

[07:41:13]

xris:

jblack: I don't actually know all of the details — was too busy doing technical stuff. I was given a list of potential lawyers/firms, and we voted based on merit/etc to get the ones we're using now.

[07:41:19]

Tanthrix:

Nevertheless, it's a clever possible way to get out of a cell contract early – I'll have to remember that should I ever need it.

[07:41:24]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: If you've gone for an age not using text-messaging, it's not like you were just waiting for the day when you just might need it while you still use voice messaging

[07:41:36]

xris:

Tanthrix: lots of stuff like that on howardforums.com

[07:41:50]

jblack:

I'll try to contact them today, and see if there's something they can help discuss this and get things settled

[07:42:23]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: True, though it still sits wrong with me since it is a meaningful part of a contract, unlike a comma change.

[07:42:41]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: if they'd pushed it they probably could have gotten out of the contract anyway

[07:42:56]

Tanthrix:

xris: Good to know, thanks.

[07:43:04]

Dagmar:

Cell phone companies tend to operate internally on a lot of CYA

[07:43:06]

Tanthrix:

I've been very happy with Verizon thankfully.

[07:43:25]

jblack:

Check out consumerist.com, btw. They're a site that tracks things like people get out of cell phone contracts when sms fees change due to material changes of contract.

[07:43:26]

Dagmar:

Middle management will generally err on the side of caution over a couple hunnerd bucks if it seriously seems like someone's going to sue over it

[07:43:51]

Chutt:

consumerist always blames the person emailing in with a complaint =)

[07:43:57]

Dagmar:

hehe

[07:43:59]

Dagmar:

yep

[07:44:22]

jblack:

They're not always kind to dunderheads. I read the site religiously though.

[07:45:11]

jblack:

I think, but can't find, an article that I think that was there about the recent case that said eulas and privacy policys can't just be silently changed on a website; that it's not enough to just tell the user "it's not here". Damned if I can find it though

[07:45:24]

Dagmar:

That's only because it's hard to douse someone with gasoline and set them alight over the internet

[07:45:39]

jblack:

pardon, also not enough to just say "there's a new one".

[07:46:05]

kormoc:

jblack, it wasn't silently changed on you

[07:46:07]

Dagmar:

jblack: So you get your $15 back

[07:46:18]

kormoc:

jblack, you've been notified at least twice by email by your own account

[07:46:18]

** SiD3WiNDR just burst into tears laughing about SD ending up in court =) **

[07:46:25]

Dagmar:

You're wanting a bunch of crap that is *not* possible

[07:46:25]

jblack:

Well, I'm not griping it wasn't silently changed.

[07:46:34]

jblack:

sid3: Yeah, that's a bit silly.

[07:46:45]

kormoc:

jblack, the case never said you couldn't change it

[07:46:52]

jblack:

dag.. how exactly would you refund the money?

[07:47:02]

** xris goes back to watching the SD signup numbers continue to grow **

[07:47:12]

kormoc:

jblack, the money will be refunded to you via paypal

[07:47:15]

Dagmar:

jblack: Well, if you refused to provide them with any PII you're pretty screwed

[07:47:32]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking kormoc's answer is probably entirely correct, although woefully unentertaining

[07:48:14]

xris:

jblack: I'm looking at your user record right now.. am happy to cancel your account if you want me to.

[07:48:25]

Dagmar:

Phreaknic has been through this sort of thing a few times

[07:48:30]

jblack:

I think it's clear that I want service. :)

[07:48:33]

Dagmar:

At least no one's throwing beer cans

[07:48:42]

xris:

jblack: just checking.

[07:49:02]

kormoc:

jblack, you have two options. You can agree and get service, or you can decline and not get service.

[07:49:17]

Dagmar:

I think mainly we're just assuming DHS won't ever come down and ask us to provide them with a list of convention attendees

[07:49:32]

kormoc:

why do you feel that you can change it to meet your (one person, one single person out of thousands) wants?

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[07:50:31]

jblack:

I've been at this for how long, a week?

[07:50:31]

jblack:

has _anyone_ agreed with me? Because it's getting pretty cold and lonely at the end of this long branch.

[07:51:01]

Dagmar:

So climb down out of the tree

[07:51:06]

Dagmar:

Nuts grow on the ground, anyway

[07:51:19]

** jblack rolls over **

[07:51:32]

kormoc:

jblack, actually, you're the only one I've heard of complaining bout it, and the only one who posted the same in the forums that I saw

[07:51:50]

xris:

jblack: there are a few users upset about things (forums, mythtv mailing lists)... and we've cancelled a few accounts for users who requested it.

[07:52:06]

Chutt:

people were upset over the mythtv mailing lists?

[07:52:41]

Dagmar:

I know what this converation needs

[07:52:42]

Dagmar:

http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/image . . . rderrrrr.jpg

[07:52:47]

jblack:

It's a oot point now.

[07:52:54]

xris:

Chutt: on, not over.

[07:53:03]

Chutt:

ok

[07:53:11]

Chutt:

err, oh

[07:53:36]

** jblack can't believe that he's willing to trade his privacy in order to watch House **

[07:53:47]

Chutt:

i _am_ going to call you during dinner tomorrow.

[07:54:23]

Dagmar:

jblack: We'll a ceiling cat sent right over to be installed in the morning

[07:54:31]

Dagmar:

s/We'll/We'll send/;

[07:54:38]

Dagmar:

s/send/have/;

[07:54:41]

Dagmar:

Jesus I need more coffee

[07:57:27]

jblack:

Btw, xris, I do owe you thanks for something....

[07:58:24]

jblack:

So, thanks.

[08:00:54]

jblack:

Anybody have any myth problems?

[08:01:12]

xris:

oh?

[08:01:16]

** xris hopes it's about mythweb **

[08:01:40]

Dagmar:

jblack: How many you want?

[08:01:54]

jblack:

How about one for now

[08:02:03]

** xris has myth problems. no ethernet driver for his new mobo **

[08:02:03]

Dagmar:

I'm about to start chasing 0.20.2-fixes, if that tree's valid

[08:02:13]

xris:

Dagmar: most packagers pull from there

[08:02:28]

jblack:

Yeah. I pulled down the bazaar branch for trunk last night.

[08:02:33]

jblack:

I haven't gotten the two other branches yet.

[08:02:45]

Dagmar:

jblack: I've not checked if selecting programs that were on in the past breaks things still, but going from LiveTV into the program guide and back crashes the whole machine again

[08:02:59]

Dagmar:

I'm figuring it's more XvMC funnery

[08:03:25]

jblack:

That's probably a little over my head at this point.

[08:04:09]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm not bothering anyone about it because at this point, the OS I have on that box is below my "giving a crap" threshold, in that it's Slackware 10.2 and I really need to upgrade it to Slack 12 before I think about bothering anyone over a crach bug

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jblack:

It works here.

[08:05:03]

Dagmar:

...especially considering being 10.2 it means it's using XFree86 and not Xorg, and the nVidia driver is definitely prone to little differences like that tripping a few things up

[08:05:26]

jblack:

livetv -> m -> guide -> esc ?

[08:05:56]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm figuring it's an issue specific to my box

[08:06:12]

Dagmar:

It was the reason I originally jumped from 0.20 to 0.20-fixes

[08:06:15]

jblack:

is the frontend reporting anything upon it's death?

[08:06:30]

Dagmar:

jblack: The front end is dead in a way that makes me say "driver level evils"

[08:06:34]

jblack:

If not, did you consider rebuilding with debugging symbols, turning cores on, and getting a backtrace?

[08:06:35]

Chutt:

if it's crashing the box, it's the x driver

[08:06:36]

Dagmar:

It can't report anything.

[08:06:50]

jblack:

Oh, the display is crashing?

[08:06:54]

Chutt:

well, that's the most likely thing.

[08:06:57]

Dagmar:

jblack: Something akin to a blocking call is happening

[08:07:01]

Dagmar:

Way, way deep in the machine

[08:07:08]

Dagmar:

It'll respond to pings, but nothing else

[08:07:17]

Dagmar:

Like, a connection to the sshd simply stops

[08:07:23]

Dagmar:

Socket completes, no banner is sent

[08:07:36]

Dagmar:

THat's just bizarre enough for me to figure it's an issue in kernelspace

[08:07:38]

jblack:

Yeah... that's um... probably the driver taking the kernel out.

[08:08:53]

Dagmar:

Yeah I figure after I get a chance to re-up everything to 0day status, it'll probably stop doing that

[08:09:06]

jblack:

I wonder if os-x stops talking to the filesystems in the same way that the kernel does. If so, you could verify it by logging to a file for a long period of time, letting it sit a long while, and resetting the machine

[08:09:17]

Dagmar:

I'm just kinda pulling my hair out with other things right now or I'd have already found a public place to stick MythTV binaries for Slackware

[08:09:42]

jblack:

pardon? Slackware? I had the impression you were referring to os-x

[08:09:42]

Dagmar:

jblack: Disk light never comes on once it's in that state

[08:09:53]

jblack:

Yeah. Probably paniced kernel then.

[08:09:58]

kormoc:

Dagmar, magic sysrq keys do anything?

[08:10:13]

Dagmar:

kormoc: No PS2 keyboard on it, so I've not had a chance to try

[08:10:19]

Dagmar:

God knows that seldom works with USB

[08:10:57]

jblack:

Do you have a serial port on the machine? you could probably hook up another machine and catch the panic that way

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Dagmar:

I was really trying to find something that would get me info, but it's seizing hard-core

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Dagmar:

jblack: Doing it ssh'd into the box isn't getting me anywhere... Two monitors so I could have the text console up didn't get me anywhere

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jblack:

mmm

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Dagmar:

I'm not worrying about it. I'm sure that once I wipe that machine and redo it all the issue will go away

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rooaus:

SD has dropped it's price... $15/6months, wish you were offering data in Australia.

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MilkBoy:

omfg... fixed my "eit data on one multiplex only"-"but all channels tune in"-problem

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borga2:

I've got a problem with my knc1 card with cam, it stops recieving. No signal.

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MilkBoy:

only problem now is that the logs fill up with these messages http://pastebin.ca/697252

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MilkBoy:

Program #xxx not found in PAT!

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MilkBoy:

and oh.. the messages show up only on the multiplexes that did not show the EIT at all before

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MilkBoy:

(the fix for recieving EIT was apparently to change modulation from the correct value (qam_128) to auto)

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Dagmar:

Ooo.... "From the correct value to auto" sounds like prime material for a bug report

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Dagmar:

That's specific enough that someone should be able to track it down relatively quickly

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MilkBoy:

Dagmar: well.. the EIT data was there all the time (checked with dvbsnoop), but myth would not see it at all.. the channels tuned perfectly tho =)

[09:41:31]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but if what you're saying about the setting of qam_128 not working when it should, that means something is hosed in there

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borga2:

Has anyone got a clue howto get subtitles to showup in mythtv (if you have them in a separate file)?

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** SiD3WiNDR hits o_ce* **

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MilkBoy:

Dagmar: in the "idle EIT crawl"-subsystem I guess then?

[09:43:46]

Dagmar:

Mebbe, I dunno

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Dagmar:

YOu did /dev/sda2 or /sda2?

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MilkBoy:

hmm.. the data was btw not showing up even it the channel was tuned into either

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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laga:

Dagmar: use netconsole for your crash? (reading backlog)

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Dagmar:

laga: It goes *really* dead

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directhex|work:

who's got a 64-bit backend?

[09:45:01]

Dagmar:

Spawning X on the secondary display so that the primary console stays in text mode dead dead

[09:46:14]

Dagmar:

...which is why I'm figuring it's a chocolate covered suprise in the video driver

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illusion-1:

hello

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illusion-1:

pliz i have problem with mythtv

[10:12:37]

illusion-1:

i cant see tv

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illusion-1:

i have skystar2 DVB-s card

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illusion-1:

i importe the channels.conf and when i do watch tv signal is in 74% but no video in all channels

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laga:

illusion-1: what does the backend log say?

[10:14:05]

illusion-1:

how can i see the log

[10:14:05]

illusion-1:

?

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laga:

/var/log/mythtv/ probably

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illusion-1:

ok

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illusion-1:

laga, http://pastebin.ca/697323

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laga:

if you look very carefully

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laga:

you can find the problem.

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illusion-1:

:D

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illusion-1:

pliz i m not expert

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illusion-1:

:)

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laga:

also, fix this problem: "2007-09–14 11:03:19.791 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!"

[10:19:20]

illusion-1:

the problem in DiSEqCDevTree conf ?

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laga:

first problem is in line 79 to 85 in your pastebin

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illusion-1:

laga thnx

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illusion-1:

i have fix the problem

[10:25:04]

illusion-1:

lol

[10:25:06]

illusion-1:

thnx

[10:25:23]

illusion-1:

the first time mythtv work with me!

[10:25:27]

illusion-1:

thnx alot!

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illusion-1:

WoW

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directhex|work:

bah!

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laga:

bah bah bah!

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quicksilver:

humbug!

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pat_:

www.humbug.org.au!

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directhex|work:

i still need to check something with someone running a 64-bit backend :/

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laga:

mailing list?

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pat_:

http://panic.id.au/tv_grab_au_ice for the version of the icetv tv_grab_au script that supports the preferredmethod capability to let mythtv grab all the data in one fetch, to avoid the 12 fetches per day limit the icetv guys have imposed. (allatonce is the method they prefer)

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directhex|work:

urgh, the mailing list is icky. i can never stomach being subscribed for more than a few weeks

[11:01:22]

laga:

i'm subscribed to LKML right now

[11:01:29]

laga:

thaT's a lot of weird stuff there

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pat_:

that's why you shunt it off to an imap folder you aren't subscribed to

[11:03:38]

laga:

right.

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laga:

but i can't create new folders on my imapd for some reason.

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directhex|work:

| +- Result = -104 (UPNP_E_OUTOF_MEMOR)

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directhex|work:

okay, i'm more convinced than i was

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SiD3WiNDR:

oot of memories

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Dagmar:

Could be worse

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Dagmar:

It could be Out Of Mana, in which case you better round up the wagons while the system meds up

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pat_:

just take some blue potions, that'll cure it

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directhex|work:

out of memory is all well & good, but i can't see it as requiring more than the 2gib of physical ram and 2gib of swap i provide

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Dagmar:

Patina: You joke but I'm working up a blue potion for a hacker 'con in Oct

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Dagmar:

s/Patina/pat_/;

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Dagmar:

Currently I'm trying to get ahold of the people who sell the nifty powdered jellyfish genes that glow when you get 'em damn with a bit of calcium to find out if a) it's safe to consume (should be) and b) will alcohol nuke the reaction

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pat_:

oh diablo, how I wasted months with you.

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pat_:

wtf, (from wikipedia:blah) Blah can also be used as an expression of love, as a love game and childish noise making between lovers.

[12:46:34]

Dagmar:

Wow someone was high when they wrote that

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** pat_ wonders whether to test it on his wife later **

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Dagmar:

If you like bein' slapped, sure

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Dagmar:

Damn the FDA and their pickiness

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pat_:

(can't imagine having much success with it)

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pat_:

they approve everything

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Dagmar:

I just got around to looking up where I could order some powdered biolume for this 'con I'm going to in Oct

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pat_:

(saying it won't harm you, not that it does you any good)

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Dagmar:

Turns out they've been dragging their feet on approving this stuff since like 2000

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pat_:

get some blue vok, some blue food colouring and other fun stuff

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Dagmar:

I want to give it to people who probably wouldn't be very bothered if the modified jellyfish genes spliced themselves into their own

[12:48:57]

Dagmar:

Patina: No, dude, the stuff _glows_

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Dagmar:

You can't feed people Luminol... that would be bad.

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pat_:

is cyalume fda approved?

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pat_:

you can get fishing stuff that you put on bait that glows

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pat_:

and it doesn't kill the live bait if you put it on

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but youre not worrying about if the bait is going to come down with cancer in 10 years either

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pat_:

http://www.bassermillyard.com.au/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleId=276

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Dagmar:

There's a bit of a difference between a smidge of it on a bait lure, and pouring that into someone's drink

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pat_:

non-toxic is still non-toxic

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pat_:

hope it tastes nice

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pat_:

(crayons don't kill you for instance)

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Dagmar:

I may just ring up the people who throw the parties in SF and had the stuff by the fistful

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Dagmar:

They were actually putting it in little crack vials with a cube of sugar and some water and hanging them on strings

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Dagmar:

The stuff I'm looking for is basically powdered jellyfish

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pat_:

that'd be neat

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Dagmar:

Yes, I know it glows for a good long time, too

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Dagmar:

Especially since I"m looking to use a blobby gelatin mix as the base, it should give a pretty weird visual

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Dagmar:

The cyalume that's in glow sticks, you would not want to drink. It's _very_ bad for the gums because of the h2o2

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Dagmar:

That stuff is closer to 35% h2o2, which is about 5–7 times the h2o2 that comes in bottles at the store

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pat_:

fizzy fizz

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pat_:

don't know what the next project for me is, all my computer stuff is done

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pat_:

I've even got up to date reliable backups

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pat_:

I could learn to code, but I'd imagine that's a world of hurt I don't want

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directhex|work:

but it's fun!

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directhex|work:

you could help me with my cpu-z clone

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pat_:

dabbling, and bottles of wine keep my programming done for me!

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pat_:

(helps when some of your friends are wine buffs and professional programmers)

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: What do you intend to do about the poeple who *use* it once you're done tho?

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Dagmar:

Don't you feel some responsibility that these people will be annoying the crap out of other forum users just like any Windows n00bricer?

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georgek:

good morning folks

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pat_:

good evening

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pat_:

my programming days were turbo pascal, and fortran 77 at uni

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pat_:

that doesn't translate to object oriented or gui work

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pat_:

anyway, I'd never want to support anything I wrote

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pat_:

I build mythtv packages for a couple of friends (ubuntu 6.06) with custom patches, but I'm not about to release them, otherwise I'd have to support them

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SiD3WiNDR:

tp7 had object oriented ;)

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Dagmar:

It was stil broken

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pat_:

still broken, or still-born?

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Dagmar:

Probably a little bit of both

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pat_:

anyway, nobody taught us any of that, we learnt next event programming, and matrix manipulation

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pat_:

(sort of stuff civil engineers never need to actually know)

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GoalieManPat:

mith mythgame can games be played if everything is setup on the MBE and played on a seperate frontend? or do the game files have to be on the same computer as what your trying to play on

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SiD3WiNDR:

they should be installed on the frontend afaik

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GoalieManPat:

ok so keep it all on the same system

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GoalieManPat:

thanks sid

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GreyFoxx:

GoalieManPat: well actually they don't have to be ON the frontend, they just have to be reacahable

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GreyFoxx:

so you can have them on the backend but nfs/samba mounted to the proper location on the frontend so the emulator running on the frontend can read them

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GreyFoxx:

So for example, I have /data/mythtv /data/video and /data/emu on my masterbackend+fileserver and they are also nfs mounted to each of my frontends. So everything sees all files in the exact same location

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GoalieManPat:

ok. so just basically allowing access like with the /videos/ folder

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hendrixski:

why does mythtv do the "prescaling images" thing every time it starts up?

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SiD3WiNDR:

afaik it doesn't anymore once the next version comes out

[13:27:29]

SiD3WiNDR:

unless you change your resolution

[13:27:32]

SiD3WiNDR:

(but I could be mistaken)

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hendrixski:

SiD3WiNDR, sweet. so that's in line for .21?

[13:28:12]

SiD3WiNDR:

I think so yes

[13:28:16]

SiD3WiNDR:

picked it up while lurking here

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hendrixski:

now... if I were to just change monitors, would that automatically change my resolution, or would I have to actually muck with the xorg settings first?

[13:29:40]

SiD3WiNDR:

depends what resolutions your monitors support and how your xorg is configured :p

[13:29:54]

hendrixski:

I C

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** hendrixski still has a lot to learn about computers **

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hendrixski:

so... it is possible to have xorg set up so that it automatically notices when you change monitors provided they have different resolutions?

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beata:

I just got my hdhomerun, are they any significant improvments if i run svn trunk, instead of 20.2?

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hendrixski:

beata, trunk probably has more cutting edge features... some of which may not work yet

[13:37:40]

hendrixski:

that's usually how open source projects work... it's possible to go all the way to the front-lines... but things can blow up on the front-lines

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GreyFoxx:

hendrixski: the prescaling is also just verifying that the inmages are there and scaled. So the anem of it could be changed as it makes people assume it's rescaling them each time

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borga2:

I've got a problem with my knc1 card with cam, it stops recieving. No signal.

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beata:

hendrixski thanks

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hendrixski:

GreyFoxx, ah, so it's not *actually* taking different sized images and rescaling them, it's just making sure that the ones there are already scaled properly?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

It scales them the first time

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GreyFoxx:

but after it's just verifying them

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GreyFoxx:

It's worlds faster in trunk

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hendrixski:

beata, np. if you're interested in helping test though, you should totally try out trunk :-)

[13:40:57]

beata:

yea, thats where i was leaning towards helping out with testing/developing eventualy once i get some free time

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hendrixski:

beata, oh... then yeah, totally, try out trunk. and get on the mailing list :-)

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beata:

allready am :)

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hendrixski:

it took me forever to discover this (either that or they only recently added it)... but on the wiki there actually is a page on the wiki about how to get started

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ole_schoola:

the wiki page is good, got me on svn back in the 2.4 kernel days

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SiD3WiNDR:

woah

[13:47:58]

SiD3WiNDR:

that's like 8 years ago :p

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pat_:

how come there isn't a 2.7 kernel for development, and a stable 2.6 kernel?

[13:58:50]

johnsmith:

has anyone got bluray playing nicely under linux (without having to rip the entire movie to hd first)?

[13:59:15]

zo0m:

bluray is 10kinds of homo

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zo0m:

oh look gotta go, afk

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tank-man:

maybe he has no come back

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jblack:

pat: Change of development process.

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pat_:

jblack: documented anyway I can have a gently squizz at?

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** jblack suspects pat_ is a bot **

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pat_:

(that was incredibly lazy of me, I'll google myself)

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GreyFoxx:

Patina: Isaac and such decided to do away with that

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GreyFoxx:

err man my brain is toast

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GreyFoxx:

I meant Linus et all decided to stop doing it that way

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** GreyFoxx spent the night at a remote site fixing broken equipment and now my brain is mush **

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Dagmar:

johnsmith: There are no blu-ray video players, and you can basically stop worrying about there being any any time soon

[14:06:08]

johnsmith:

So the only way to do it is to rip it first, like this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedF . . . uRayAndHDDVD

[14:06:11]

mike3_:

Hey guys, any ideas or stuff I could do with my mythtv box.

[14:06:13]

johnsmith:

is that right

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ole_schoola:

GreyFoxx: ahhh, the good old doys. coffee (lots), airports, rental cars, Platt cases full of gear

[14:06:27]

Dagmar:

johnsmith: I'm not reading a webpage for you

[14:06:52]

Dagmar:

johnsmith: Lawyers are the reason there will likely never be a native Linux blu-ray player

[14:07:12]

johnsmith:

bloody lawyers :(

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tank-man:

isnt that just for the usa?

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ole_schoola:

SiD3WinDR: driver support for air2pc had to be built into your kernel back in FC3 days

[14:10:36]

Dagmar:

Just keep telling yourself that

[14:11:01]

SiD3WiNDR:

my kernel? fc3 days?

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pat_:

the free trade agreement between usa and .au has stuffed things up here too

[14:11:05]

Dagmar:

The MPAA can and does sue people all over teh globe

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SiD3WiNDR:

(air2pc?)

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ole_schoola:

original version of the airstar hd5000, based on nxt2002 chip

[14:12:42]

ole_schoola:

mine crapped out so mythic.tv sent me a shiny new hd5000

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Ryushin:

Well, after seeing the mailing list for the last week or so, I guess the myth-vid code merge is stable as I'm not seeing anything come across the dev list.

[14:37:44]

Ryushin:

Has anyone upgraded to the lastest svn with the myth-vid code? Is it working for you?

[14:40:19]

GreyFoxx:

haven't had any glitches here and I've been using it since the last trunk sync to multirec (a week ago?)

[14:40:30]

Hoxzer:

:) I don't know but I'm going to multirec today

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Hoxzer:

Basically it mean that I can record 80% of the my channels all the time

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GreyFoxx:

yeah I love it

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GreyFoxx:

90%+ of my recordings are from 8 channels, and those 8 are all on the same multiplex

[14:41:43]

GreyFoxx:

so my one dvb card can record all of them

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zo0m:

you dvb guys have it so easy

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Ryushin:

So for those using QAM, multirec is a huge improvement is seems.

[14:42:28]

** GreyFoxx is a PVR/dvb/firewire guy ;) **

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Ryushin:

I'm using OTA HD, so multirec doesn't really help me much.

[14:44:16]

Ryushin:

Comcast encrypts a lot of the channels in my area, not to mention them move them around.

[14:44:22]

Ryushin:

Just going analog for me.

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zo0m:

thats what i have to do also

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zo0m:

for that reason im thinking of just getting a tivo hd that can do cablecard :/

[14:45:14]

Ryushin:

Through I guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get some digital box and hook them up through firewire to feed the rest of the house through frontends.

[14:45:34]

zo0m:

at least cablecard rental is only 1.25 a month or something

[14:45:41]

Ryushin:

I think someone here said the pcHDTV was working on getting a cable card to work under linux.

[14:45:51]

zo0m:

that would be sweet.

[14:46:03]

Ryushin:

Yea, I'm a hoping for that too.

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[-clever-]`ca:

how does mythtv access a cable box thru firewire

[14:48:33]

[-clever-]`ca:

once the wires are plugged in?

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tjcarter:

[-clever-]`ca: there is a wiki page documenting how to set it up

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GreyFoxx:

I don't understand your question

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[-clever-]`ca:

i'll have to google for the wiki page

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GreyFoxx:

wiki.mythtv.org

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GreyFoxx:

search for firewire

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[-clever-]`ca:

searched for firewire mythtv and found http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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tjcarter:

that'd be a good page to read perhaps =)

[14:52:15]

[-clever-]`ca:

looks like its exactly what i need

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[-clever-]`ca:

now i just need to get a cable box with firewire

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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[-clever-]`ca:

i got the pci card for the pc end

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[-clever-]`ca:

a friend im helping with mythtv is just missing the firewire cable

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Slyboots:

Anyone know any other mirrors for the MythFrontend 0.20.2 for MacOS (Beyond thesnipderpad)

[14:56:37]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: you need current fixes for Mac?

[14:57:15]

Slyboots:

Nah, Im trying to get just the frontend

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Slyboots:

Been trying to download the frontend only, but thesniderpad is so *bloody* slow

[14:57:42]

Slyboots:

The download never finishes

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tjcarter:

I have one a few days old made by RyeBrye

[14:57:48]

tjcarter:

or I can go compile you one

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tjcarter:

there are a handfull of updates since then

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Slyboots:

xWell, as long as it works with Network proto:35

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tjcarter:

yeah

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tjcarter:

compiling =)

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tjcarter:

ask me if it's done in about 30 min

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Slyboots:

Cool, Thanks

[15:00:07]

tjcarter:

it should be by then

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tjcarter:

I can't test--I use trunk now.

[15:00:31]

tjcarter:

but it worked a few days ago ;)

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Slyboots:

:D

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tjcarter:

osx-packager.pl works now, so all is good.

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georgek:

Are there any advanced mythfilldatabase users/developers in the house?

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Dibblah:

georgek: It's traditional to just ask a question, rather than a meta-question.

[15:17:54]

Dibblah:

Okay, well, it *should* be traditional.

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georgek:

I have a question regarding the use of the mythfilldatabase --preset param. Is it used to create the channels in the database from the source?

[15:20:43]

georgek:

I have an issue with mythfilldatabase and xml data from schedules direct, in that in order to map the schedules direct data to the mythtv's channels, it uses channums. My channums are offset by 10000, so instead of channel 300, I have channel 10300.

[15:22:16]

Dibblah:

preset AFAIK only affects --update

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georgek:

...and my channels are already created, I wanted to rule out if the mythfilldatabase --preset param was usefull.

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Dibblah:

ie all it does is prompts for an additional bit of information. Feel free to look at the code ;)

[15:23:05]

coreyo:

would it be better to get a hauppage pvr 350, or a hauppage pvr 500? I've read a few reviews on various sites finding people that liked the 150/250's better. Didn't know if there was anything to that.

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georgek:

will do Dibblah, thanks.

[15:23:18]

Dagmar:

You don't want the 350

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Dagmar:

It's video output is more limited than what you'd get from even a $25 nVidia card

[15:23:35]

Dibblah:

You *might* not want the 350.

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coreyo:

scuze me, I think the 250 is what I was looking for

[15:23:50]

Dibblah:

No, it's not – Not when it's used correctly.

[15:23:50]

Dagmar:

Unless you're very hard-pressed for space in your box, you don't want the 350

[15:23:57]

coreyo:

the different models with dual hardware encoders

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Dagmar:

The 250 is obsolete.

[15:24:21]

Dagmar:

It was replaced by the 150 quite some time ago.

[15:24:21]

coreyo:

yes, I will have room for exactly 1 expansion slot

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Dibblah:

The 500 is 2 150s on one card.

[15:24:36]

coreyo:

ahh, okay

[15:24:53]

coreyo:

so the 250/350's were the same chipsets, and the 150's and 500's are the same chipset?

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tjcarter:

Slyboots: Sorry, failed to build.. It doesn't like my Qt again (which is funny because the whole POINT of osx-packager.pl is that it downloads, patches, and compiles a working Qt)

[15:25:11]

Dibblah:

It's better in a couple of ways – Since it's isolated from the main PCI bus by an on-board bridge chip, there's less chance of a VIA motherboard issue.

[15:25:28]

Dibblah:

coreyo: Technically, they're all the same chipset.

[15:25:34]

Dibblah:

Just different variants.

[15:26:27]

coreyo:

is there a well-supported dual-capture/encoder card that will do onboard mpeg4 encoding?

[15:26:42]

Dibblah:

Given an interlaced SD source, the 350 *can* give better output than an Nvidia card.

[15:27:08]

Dibblah:

coreyo: Not exactly. There's the USB option, though...

[15:27:09]

Dagmar:

On the 500, well, provided you don't have an exceptionally retarded motherboard, like say, the ASUS A8V

[15:27:31]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: I'm attempting to sort it now

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coreyo:

Dibblah, is it dual tuner, dual encoder, and is it very reliable ... or would the 350 or 500 still be a better option?

[15:28:46]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: what's the deal with the A8V and the 500?

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Dibblah:

the 350 is aware of top/bottom field, doesn't require deinterlacing (it's not progressive at any stage), etc.

[15:29:17]

Dibblah:

Dibblah: No, but you buy two boxes ;)

[15:29:27]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: The motherboard is apparently too dim to realize it should be looking for what's on the other side of a _particular_ PCI bridge

[15:29:32]

Dibblah:

Plextor convertx or similar.

[15:30:01]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: The PVR-500 has it's own, which means there will be two present when the machine boots, which means that when it comes time for that motherboard to initialize the disk controller, full stop.

[15:30:07]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Ah. That explains why my dumb PCI bridge card didn't work.

[15:30:35]

Dagmar:

I was a little pissed when I found this out

[15:30:40]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: that's ...

[15:30:45]

Dagmar:

Otherwise the A8V is a pretty cool board

[15:30:50]

Dibblah:

Didn't investigate – Just invested in a better motherboard.

[15:30:50]

tjcarter:

ASUS produced that?!

[15:31:06]

Dagmar:

In their defense there are not very many cards with their own PCI bridge

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: Err... Wasn't that the one with the Attansic network thingy?

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Dagmar:

attansic who?

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Dibblah:

... That wasn't supported until fairly recently?

[15:31:58]

coreyo:

Dibblah, does the pvr 350 have both dual tuner AND dual encoders?

[15:31:59]

Dibblah:

Yeah, that was my thought on seeing it...

[15:32:04]

Dibblah:

coreyo: No.

[15:32:19]

Dibblah:

The 350 has one tuner, one encoder.

[15:32:21]

Dagmar:

The A8V uses Marvell

[15:32:31]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Ah. No, it was the M2V...

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fryfrog:

coreyo: the 350 is the one with in and out

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coreyo:

Dibblah, is there a dual version of that?

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fryfrog:

the 500 is the one with 2 ins

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Dibblah:

No.

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coreyo:

ahh, I see

[15:32:47]

coreyo:

then it's probably not an option for me :(

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Dibblah:

I was meaning go USB with a Plextor convertx or similar.

[15:33:13]

coreyo:

so technically, 2 dual 350's is probably some of the best quality you can get?

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Dibblah:

mpeg4 encoding, etc...

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fryfrog:

coreyo: no, it is a waste of money

[15:33:29]

Dibblah:

coreyo: You mean 500s.

[15:33:47]

fryfrog:

Get an nvidia card with tv out and a PVR500

[15:33:48]

coreyo:

Dibblah, you said earlier that the 350 *can* give better quality

[15:33:55]

Dibblah:

Yup.

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fryfrog:

coreyo: *OUTPUT* to a tv

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fryfrog:

coreyo: the PVR250/350/150/500 all have nearly identical *input* quality

[15:34:18]

coreyo:

fryfrog, no way, I have a projector and I output to it with DVI at its native resolution, 480p

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Dibblah:

The 500 is about equal on picture quality now.

[15:34:32]

coreyo:

from the video card

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fryfrog:

coreyo: if you are using DVI output, screw the 350 then :)

[15:34:42]

fryfrog:

just get a PVR500 or 150s

[15:34:43]

coreyo:

ahh, okay

[15:34:44]

Dibblah:

Used to be much worse – The TV decoder onboard was badly misunderstood.

[15:34:51]

Dagmar:

The 350 doesn't have nVidia's automagical interlacing support

[15:34:58]

Dibblah:

Grrr.

[15:35:18]

Dibblah:

It doesn't need it – The picture is *interlaced* and remains interlaced.

[15:35:30]

Dibblah:

Unless you record in a funky resolution.

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fryfrog:

yeah, but that isn't true of everything going to it

[15:35:37]

fryfrog:

ie, videos from the internets

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fryfrog:

etc

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coreyo:

well, until intel gets their act together and begins designing high-end consumer graphics cards (which could be a ways away), I'll be sticking with nvidia video cards. They are still the best supported higher-end cards in linux.

[15:35:47]

Dibblah:

Sheesh. Porn again.

[15:35:49]

Dibblah:

;)

[15:35:55]

fryfrog:

Plus, the PVR350s svideo tv out is annoying to configure :p

[15:36:01]

Dagmar:

Porn makes the money flow

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Dibblah:

ATI! ATI!

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Dibblah:

;)

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fryfrog:

-====================================889o

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fryfrog:

damn cat :p

[15:36:21]

coreyo:

Dibblah, if I had a quarter for every time I've had trouble with ATI's drivers (windows AND linux)

[15:36:30]

coreyo:

I'd probably have like $3.35

[15:36:47]

Dibblah:

Yeah, but they've at least released specs for some of the register set in their chips.

[15:36:56]

Dibblah:

And are planning on opensourcing their drivers.

[15:36:59]

coreyo:

Dibblah, I wonder if that's AMD's doing

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coreyo:

in response to intel's new completely open interface specs

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Dibblah:

Annoyingly, it's only the dumb framebuffer register set, though :(

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coreyo:

Dibblah, about damn time! only thing that really made ATI suck was their $#&*%$!!! software

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Dibblah:

I guess the shader interface was too much to hope for :(

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Slyboots:

Thanks tjcarter

[15:38:06]

coreyo:

I'd buy slightly lower performing cards for significantly less money on most of my machines ... provided they actually worked.

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coreyo:

Dibblah, that plextor convertx PVR is awfully expensive

[15:40:24]

coreyo:

Dibblah, definitely not an economical solution

[15:41:25]

Dibblah:

Good, cheap, reliable. Choose two.

[15:41:37]

Dibblah:

Or in today's climate, one.

[15:41:58]

coreyo:

well, the pvr 500 is all of those things, if you consider you get 2 tuners

[15:42:04]

coreyo:

for less than the cost of the plextor convertx

[15:42:22]

coreyo:

does the plextor give any significantly better quality?

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tjcarter:

coreyo: unless you're actually using the tuners

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tjcarter:

then your guess is as good as mine as to whether or not it will be good ;)

[15:45:03]

coreyo:

I was assuming/hoping someone had seen them side-by-side

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tjcarter:

for many of us, pvr500's second tuner never works

[15:45:26]

tjcarter:

solution: cable box on svideo ;)

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Dagmar:

Mine works fine

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coreyo:

interesting, so the PVR 500 has only a single coax-in, and the split is made on the board? I guess that's generally really nice (unless you were specifically wanting two different sources).

[15:45:49]

Dagmar:

Dunno what ya'll's problem is, aside from maybe using the wrong firmware

[15:45:58]

coreyo:

tjcarter, do you have that crappy amd mobo?

[15:46:00]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: the lists are filled with complaints from people who can't get a signal on tuner 2 without overdriving tuner 1

[15:46:15]

tjcarter:

I have A crappy amd mobo ;)

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Dagmar:

That sounds like a manufacturing defect of some sort

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tjcarter:

THE crappy amd I couldn't say

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: for dozens of users?

[15:46:43]

tjcarter:

spanning months and months of purchases?

[15:46:46]

Dagmar:

It's that or widespread illiteracy

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coreyo:

is there a list of boards with which it will not work?

[15:46:50]

Dagmar:

You know which one I favor

[15:47:26]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: as far as I can tell, Samsung tuners just work for some people, and for the rest it's use svideo.

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** juski thought the samsung tuner issues were banished long ago. the lists being populated with people whining about crap signals should remain when they were posted, surely – i.e. in the past ;) **

[15:49:14]

tjcarter:

juski: I still have signal issues with KnoppMyth R5F1 which uses fairly recent ivtv and kernel, so they can't have solved the problem completely

[15:49:41]

tjcarter:

I solved it by not using the tuner ;)

[15:49:49]

tjcarter:

am planning to stop using both tuners actually

[15:50:19]

juski:

yeah but knoppmyth might not be using the spiffiest newest & shinest kernel & ivtv version though. they tend to go with something pretty (understandably) conservative

[15:50:23]

coreyo:

do all of the PVR 500's have an IR input, whether they come with a remote or not?

[15:50:32]

Dagmar:

No

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tjcarter:

Do any of the PVR-500s have IR input?

[15:50:55]

Dagmar:

None that I've seen

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coreyo:

well, several come with remote controls

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tjcarter:

Yeah, ones with remote have MCE USB dongle

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coreyo:

I ASSUMED that meant they had an IR input

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coreyo:

ahhh....

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tjcarter:

well you know what they say about assuming ;)

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coreyo:

I make an ass out of u and ming?

[15:52:06]

coreyo:

well, can't you cobble a usb IR dongle together for like, $7 at the electronics store?

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tjcarter:

yes you can

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tjcarter:

but MCE remote with MCE USB dongle is trivial to set up and requires no soldering

[15:52:59]

coreyo:

I'd rather pay $7 and learn how to do it

[15:53:06]

coreyo:

than pay $35 more for the card

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tjcarter:

make a serial one, it's cheaper

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juski:

watch you don't get your fingers burnt, coreyo ;)

[15:53:26]

tjcarter:

it's like $3 and you don't have to do SMT soldering for the USB chip

[15:53:27]

juski:

in more than one manner of speaking :P

[15:54:12]

tjcarter:

BTW, welcome home juski =)

[15:55:39]

juski:

thanks :)

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juski:

I wonder how long my tan will last :P Longer than my temper I hope – took more than 90 mins to clear UK passport control thanks to 'increased security'

[15:57:28]

coreyo:

tjcarter, I'll be putting this all into a shuttle box soon. More than likely, it will not have legacy ports

[15:57:29]

tjcarter:

I started working to modify Pear-ody to actually be more like the Front Row 2 interface, and I think I came away from my initial stab at it with profound respect for your themes. =D

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coreyo:

well, my last question then. Anyone know the cheapest place for me to purchase a PVR 500 in the U.S. beyond just a quick pricegrabber?

[15:58:34]

tjcarter:

I would get mine from newegg

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tjcarter:

I frequently don't ask pricegrabber and pricewatch anymore, I just go to newegg.

[15:59:12]

tjcarter:

better to deal with a good company than a shady one and save $6.

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juski:

tjcarter: pear-ody is yours? I honestly hope you don't upset any carts bearing tree-hanging fruits ;)

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coreyo:

tjcarter, had newegg's page up before you even mentioned it :)

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tjcarter:

juski: no it's not

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tjcarter:

juski: but I'm modding it

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juski:

tjcarter: ah cool

[16:01:17]

tjcarter:

juski: Just getting it to work with Helvetica instead of Trebuchet MS and look right took quite some doing

[16:01:21]

bma:

has anyone recenlty encountered issues with this nvidia-auto-select mode on debian? Things were working fine yesterday, and X works great with my modelines, but as soon as I start mythfrontend/mythwelcome it tries to use this mode (which doesn't work)

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juski:

I downloaded it, haven't seen it in mythtv yet but some of the watermark images are jarringly wrong IMHO

[16:01:42]

bma:

I'm using Christian's packages (0.20.2–0.2)

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tjcarter:

eh?

[16:02:17]

tjcarter:

what do you mean by that?

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juski:

tjcarter: I mean there seem to be a mixture of styles within the watermark directory of the theme. Different sizes for one thing

[16:04:18]

tjcarter:

okay, osx-packager.pl is quite busted

[16:04:29]

tjcarter:

or -fixes is busted

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Hoxzer:

:O it appears that my multirec has been installed

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tjcarter:

configure claims the Qt that osx-packager just compiled is not -mt

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bma:

bleh, lunch

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Dagmar:

Wouldn't be the first bizarre-o thing going on in OSX

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: it worked 4 days ago? ;)

[16:09:21]

tjcarter:

well, it worked 4 days ago for RyeBrye

[16:09:39]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: if this doesn't work, I'll find you his build

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** Hoxzer starts to study multirec **

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Slyboots:

:D

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tjcarter:

I'm making it rebuild Qt..

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tjcarter:

This is always a disaster in the making

[16:13:58]

tjcarter:

Qt 3 + Mac OS X 10.4 == kaboom

[16:15:25]

tjcarter:

Damn Apple for upgrading their build environment so MythTV's antiquated monolithic behemoth of a Qt library doesn't wanna build! =p

[16:15:32]

Dagmar:

Make sure it picks up that it should compile the mysql plugin

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Slyboots:

Woo go MS :P

[16:15:41]

Dagmar:

Someone apparently had that boned up last week

[16:15:50]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: supposedly osx-packager does that.

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Slyboots:

*OS X even :P

[16:16:29]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Yet we had someone with the "No error from blah blah? Strange..." last week

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tjcarter:

Slyboots: now see, Myth's obscure complex bloated nearly unbuildable monolithic behemoth Qt library is so complex to build that it doesn't work under Win32 ;)

[16:17:37]

** tjcarter seems to be describing Qt in less favorable light as build time progresses.. **

[16:17:51]

tjcarter:

ERROR! You must have a threaded Qt installed to compile MythTV.

[16:17:55]

tjcarter:

screw it.

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GreyFoxx:

Qt is far from obsure, you can bit qtwin32 under windows just fine and they even give away QT4 for windows (which we havn't ported to yet)

[16:18:35]

GreyFoxx:

I haven't tried compiling QT on my mac yet though

[16:18:48]

GreyFoxx:

I installed the build tools and just haven't gotten around to it yet

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GreyFoxx:

I'm rebuilding everything from scratch this weekend. that should be fun

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Slyboots:

\:D

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GreyFoxx:

new hardware, updated distro, new drives, merged a couple backends, etc . And rebuild the nfsroot images for my msntv2's

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GreyFoxx:

should be a fun Saturday morning :)

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GreyFoxx:

ooh that reminds me.. *goes to grab some gigabit nics for the transfer*

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Dibblah:

juski: Welcome back. Hope the holiday was restful :)

[16:24:48]

Dibblah:

BTW, I was looking at the MythUI stuff last night. It looks like a good 20–30 hours work for a committed core dev.

[16:25:11]

Dibblah:

ie it's not a pick-up project from what I can see.

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juski:

Dibblah: yeah twas very restful. nothing to do all day but lie in the sun, have the occasional drink, swim, go out for meals in the evening, yada yada

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juski:

as for the mythui stuff – nobody ever said it was gonna be easy :P

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Dibblah:

If it was purely 'mechanical' translation, it'd be easy.

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Dibblah:

It's not. It's unravelling the meandering spaghetti code that the various layers of programmers have tied themselves in.

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Dibblah:

And to tell the truth, I'm just not up to it.

[16:31:51]

Dibblah:

I'm a scripting guy at heart ;)

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juski:

wow I didn't half miss some FUD on the -users list while I was away

[16:34:17]

Dibblah:

Heh. Indeed.

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Dagmar:

I've been said "painted into a corner"

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Dagmar:

s/said/sayin/;

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Dibblah:

"I've been said"?

[16:35:33]

Dibblah:

;)

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juski:

some folks in the community need to get out into the sunlight, lounge by a pool & drink some beers

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Dibblah:

The blue room? Nooooo!

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Dagmar:

Yeahm like I'm willingly going to stand exposed in front of an open nuclear furnace

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juski:

conspiracy! it's all a cunning plot to take all of our money! oh noes! There's a word for those people and I'm in too good a mood to say it today

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** juski realises that even just bringing that subject up could have been a very big (OT) mistake.. **

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Dibblah:

I think most people have had too much of that to really care ;)

[16:38:01]

juski:

woo SD are down to $15 for 6 months. I hope the moaners choke on their morning coffee

[16:38:32]

Dibblah:

You've also missed the 'undelete' feature going in :)

[16:38:40]

juski:

undelete?!

[16:38:51]

juski:

as in – deleting isn't really deleting anymore?

[16:38:52]

Dibblah:

Undelete. The sky, it is falling!

[16:39:26]

juski:

are you sure? Y .. are you sure? Y .. are you sure? Y .. are you sure? Y ... are you sure? Y

[16:39:54]

juski:

I hope that can be disabled, whatever it entails. I like my deletions now

[16:39:57]

Dibblah:

Of course, all the prompts are still there. That's something I *may* be able to patch, if not beaten to it.

[16:40:18]

Dibblah:

It's disabled by default.

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juski:

so what happens then – if this 'undelete' is enabled, something is only hidden from view until it's expired sooner than it ordinarily would've been?

[16:41:11]

Dibblah:

(OT) BTW, everyone in the UK already got their Â£14 ipod shuffle?

[16:41:13]

Dibblah:

Yup.

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Dagmar:

WHAT?

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Dagmar:

14 pounds?

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juski:

was gonna say good luck doing a real undelete on a linux filesystem ;)

[16:41:52]

juski:

Dibblah: you're legally obliged to tell all now

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Dagmar:

juski: oh just move the files to /Recycle Bin

[16:42:16]

Dibblah:

tesco DVD 'rental'...

[16:42:16]

** Dagmar stabs a Freespire doll in the face **

[16:42:36]

Dibblah:

'Free' ipod shuffle. Min 3 month subscription.

[16:42:47]

Dibblah:

Min cost Â£4.something.

[16:43:13]

Dibblah:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/14/tesco_ipod_shuffle/

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Dagmar:

Oh, the rinky-dink modle

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Dagmar:

s/modle/model/;

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Dagmar:

I draw the line at players I could accidentally swallow

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juski:

bleh

[16:44:28]

juski:

I want my sub Â£80 4GB iPoo nano

[16:44:48]

Dibblah:

Yeah, "shuffle" is the tiny one.

[16:45:03]

juski:

though actually my Sony MD machine was great on holiday despite me needing to change discs

[16:45:05]

Dibblah:

iPoo? I hesitate to think...

[16:46:04]

juski:

if I wanted a generic music player you control using pressy buttons I'd buy a cheapass crap one – oh wait I did & it was dog slow

[16:46:26]

juski:

*press* ... 'thinking'.... 'thinking'.....

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Dibblah:

Ummm... You realise this is just to get the ebay refund, right? ;)

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** Dibblah still likes his Karma. **

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puzzled:

hi

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juski:

well, I *did* return that crap mp3 player to the shop claiming it was faulty

[16:49:47]

puzzled:

anyone know which nvidia driver I best use for an FX5200 card?

[16:50:06]

Dibblah:

puzzled: I believe there's a recommendation on the wiki.

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puzzled:

Dibblah: thanks

[16:50:41]

juski:

ugh. NutsTV is on the air now

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** juski wonders if that means LCNs of other Freeview channels are monged now **

[16:51:51]

Dagmar:

puzzled: The latest

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puzzled:

Dagmar: thanks

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Dagmar:

mwalling: I bet ceiling cat told him

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Dibblah:

I'd be betting that was destined for another window ;)

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Dagmar:

Yep

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juski:

and _finally_ (!) analogue TV manufacture is going to be phased out

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juski:

oh – _and_ analogue DVD recorders. ye gads! how are people gonna archive stuff off their Sly plu$ boxes then? hahahaha

[16:58:48]

Dagmar:

Open the thing and connect the HD to something useful

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Dibblah:

Still won't help.

[17:00:06]

Dibblah:

Personally, I'd love to make a IDE -> iSCSI box.

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XLV:

here dvb-t transition has a lot more time before its done ( it hasnt even started yet to be exact ).. i got a yamakawa 300GB dvd recorder for 150$ a month ago

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Dibblah:

I thought 51Gb DVDs had only just been ratified? ;)

[17:00:56]

XLV:

300GB is the hdd

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XLV:

but it can record on dvd also

[17:01:09]

Dagmar:

juski; Score one for the MPs

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Dagmar:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4200797a6160.html

[17:01:41]

Dagmar:

"In 2001 a staffer in Green MP Sue Kedgley's office responded to a request for support for a campaign to ban dihydrogen monoxide by saying she would be "absolutely supportive of the campaign to ban this toxic substance" if she had enough time, which she did not."

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Cry_wolf2:

I´v seen that documentary

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Dagmar:

...and that's not all. :)

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** juski chuckles **

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juski:

almost as funny as the guy Chris Morris running a spoof campaign to ban a 'drug' called 'Cake' & getting all kinds of bods to be in a video decrying its use

[17:03:46]

Cry_wolf2:

Didn´t michael moore do that in one of his films ?

[17:05:37]

Slyboots:

Brass Eye :)

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** Slyboots waits for Mythfrontend to download.. very.. very.. very slowly **

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** juski sees tomorrow's forecast max of 18'C & weeps gently **

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GreyFoxx:

heheh miss the vacation already ?

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xris:

question about compiling... -j ?? how many should I do for 4 cores?

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Anduin:

xris: core + 1 is the usual

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xris:

Anduin: ok, that's what I thought.. I just noticed that for some reason the settings for my dual core were set to 4, and that confused me.

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xris:

crap, should have started timing this compile. :)

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xris:

ok, that's scary. mythtv from start to finish, with no cache.. in under 7 minutes.

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GreyFoxx:

nice, what are you running ? Is it your new box or another server ?

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tjcarter:

Slyboots: which one are you getting?

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Slyboots:

0.20.0 from SnipderPad

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Slyboots:

Going to try it.. again :P

[17:51:01]

Slyboots:

Its actuly reached near the end this time, so it might download okay

[17:51:29]

tjcarter:

http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/MythFrontendFixes.zip is RyeBrye's -fixes built 4 days ago

[17:53:25]

tjcarter:

I can't build currently, so I'll check later to see if there's a ticket already

[17:53:45]

tjcarter:

trunk builds

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jimbalaya:

is mythfilldatabase run by the mythtv user, or by root?

[18:01:32]

tjcarter:

mythtv user, typically

[18:03:44]

GreyFoxx:

whatever your backend is running as if the backend is the one launching it

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** GreyFoxx goes home **

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jimbalaya:

thanks tjcarter and GreyFoxx

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tjcarter:

juski: ready to go back to Greece?

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** Slyboots hmms.. stupid slow download **

[18:19:49]

Slyboots:

I think this site is either *insanly* busy, or hosted on a ISDN line

[18:20:56]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: I have 5Mbit uplink =D

[18:21:07]

Slyboots:

hehe, That site does not :P

[18:22:58]

tjcarter:

Powerful secrets were revealed to me one day when I held aloft my magic ethernet cable and said, "By the power of fiber optics, I HAVE THE BANDWIDTH!"

[18:25:35]

Slyboots:

haha

[18:25:47]

Slyboots:

By the POWER OF DSL!

[18:25:59]

Slyboots:

Or Ethernet ;)

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tjcarter:

pfft DSL

[18:31:05]

tjcarter:

There's a fiber optic cable running into my closet.

[18:31:23]

tjcarter:

right in the corner behind the broom and dustpan ;)

[18:31:45]

Slyboots:

:D

[18:31:59]

Slyboots:

Woohoo, It finished downloading

[18:32:58]

tjcarter:

haha, Mario Game Over

[18:34:19]

tjcarter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpBGRA6HHtY

[18:34:24]

tjcarter:

White Trash Mario

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Slyboots:

.... *twich*

[18:35:37]

Slyboots:

AGH!!!!

[18:36:09]

Slyboots:

"This Frontend only understands network protocol 31, your server is using protocol 35"

[18:36:14]

Slyboots:

Right,. Well that was.. 3 hours wasted

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tjcarter:

OH!

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tjcarter:

35

[18:38:42]

tjcarter:

you need trunk

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tjcarter:

hangon

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Slyboots:

... *twitch*

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tjcarter:

Trunk is 35 correct?

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Slyboots:

No idea...

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GreyFoxx:

yes I beleive it is

[18:40:47]

iamben:

tjcarter: yes (assuming it hasnt changed in the last 2 days)

[18:41:57]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: I'm packing up my trunk build

[18:42:06]

Slyboots:

heh, Thanks :D

[18:42:07]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: you get more themes than are standard

[18:42:16]

Slyboots:

Ohh?

[18:42:38]

tjcarter:

http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/MythFrontend.zip

[18:43:00]

tjcarter:

Yeah, Pear-ody-wide and the blootube themes

[18:43:13]

Slyboots:

I think my backend runs Blootube

[18:43:14]

tjcarter:

also probably Project Grayhem-wide

[18:44:11]

tjcarter:

I could have saved you lots of trouble if I had realized you needed trunk =)

[18:44:22]

H00chster:

To be politically correct, current Trunk is at 36

[18:44:24]

H00chster:

;)

[18:44:38]

Slyboots:

heh :P

[18:44:44]

Slyboots:

8k/sec! woo

[18:44:51]

Slyboots:

Only.. 3 more hours -.-

[18:44:58]

Slyboots:

Are you *sure* this one is going to work?

[18:45:16]

H00chster:

wut u dloadin?

[18:45:30]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: I am using this FE.

[18:46:01]

Slyboots:

MythFrontend for the mac

[18:47:24]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: Two bugs: under $MYSTERY_OS, having guide set to use alpha blend transparency results in a font glitch, and if you press s while in a recording, guide appears UNDER video instead of on top

[18:47:45]

tjcarter:

This latter bug affects all 0.20 FEs I have ever seen, though the PPC 0.19 FE worked fine

[18:47:48]

Slyboots:

Ooh, Second one is nasty

[18:48:03]

tjcarter:

yeah, $MYSTERY_OS bugs are expected

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tjcarter:

There's probably some zorder issue where code was refactored on Linux and not fixed for Mac

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kslater:

maybe this is a stoopid question, but I don't need ivtv for an Air2PC card, do I?

[18:48:50]

tjcarter:

I haven't looked yet

[18:49:01]

tjcarter:

just pause, save position, then leave the video

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** Slyboots nods **

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juski:

tjcarter: am I ready to go back to greece? hmm I dunno – anywhere warm is attractive right now. bloody freezing here

[18:55:01]

BULLE:

juski: tampere .fi is what i recommend then

[18:55:49]

juski:

of course with endless funds I could go anywhere I want

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juski:

infact I probably would never have come back in the first place if not for the need to work etc :P

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juski:

but FWIW I missed my own bed & stuff. I didn't miss computing much, or TV for that matter

[18:58:03]

Slyboots:

Meh, TV generaly sucks anyway

[18:58:27]

juski:

I ripped my way through no less than four books this week though

[18:58:50]

XLV:

juski, where in greece?

[18:58:57]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: how's the FE work for you?

[18:59:07]

Slyboots:

FE

[18:59:09]

Slyboots:

?

[18:59:18]

tjcarter:

MythFrontend trunk

[18:59:25]

juski:

XLV: Laganas, Zakynthos

[18:59:32]

Slyboots:

Its downloading, very... slowly

[18:59:37]

Slyboots:

Ask again in 3 hours

[18:59:43]

Slyboots:

:(

[18:59:43]

tjcarter:

The problem's your end then, not mine ;)

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** Slyboots connection is doing nothing else ;) **

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XLV:

juski, liked it?

[19:00:03]

tjcarter:

Do you have wintendos on your network?

[19:00:15]

juski:

XLV: yeah love Greece. Love the hospitality, the food, the weather...

[19:00:18]

Slyboots:

No

[19:00:33]

tjcarter:

Maybe your ISP is just sucking right now?

[19:00:45]

Slyboots:

Hm, Possibly ;)

[19:01:02]

tjcarter:

or it could be that the zip is 117 MB(!)

[19:01:23]

tjcarter:

Blame juski ;)

[19:01:33]

Slyboots:

Yea, ut its downloading at 9k/sec :D

[19:01:37]

juski:

117MB? there's a whole mythtv distro that takes up less room than that

[19:01:47]

tjcarter:

It's all his themey super awesomeness

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Slyboots:

Woo! Superthemey!

[19:02:04]

juski:

oh – and FYI anyone thinking of naming a mythtv distro 'MythOS' – forget it. there's a nice lager by that name :P

[19:02:06]

tjcarter:

juski: It is a whole mythtv dist =)

[19:02:25]

tjcarter:

juski: Qt included

[19:02:48]

juski:

my wife pointed out the fact we were drinking Mythos the whole holiday. duh!

[19:02:53]

tjcarter:

but it's larger than the average MythFrontend because I have stuff like blootube installed

[19:03:14]

juski:

blootube isn't the greedy theme. blootube-wide on the other hand.. whoah baby

[19:03:32]

tjcarter:

have that too

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Slyboots:

tjcarter: so you just zipped up your entire mythtv directory? :D

[19:03:37]

tjcarter:

and lite

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juski:

and I hope that if you ship -fixes, you don't use the themes from SVN

[19:03:43]

tjcarter:

Slyboots: Yes, pretty much

[19:03:48]

Slyboots:

lol

[19:03:51]

tjcarter:

well, my MythFrontend.app

[19:04:00]

Slyboots:

:D

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tjcarter:

juski: it's trunk

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tjcarter:

with blootubes and pear-ody and project grayhem, I think that's all

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juski:

that's ok then. in which case I hope you use the themes from SVN ;)

[19:05:27]

Slyboots:

wlel, mangaed to squeese another 20k/sec from the line

[19:05:37]

Slyboots:

Which is a massive improvment at least

[19:05:43]

tjcarter:

blootubes aren't in svn =(

[19:05:47]

juski:

no point shoving neon-wide in there since pear-ody is so blimmin similar

[19:05:53]

juski:

tjcarter: yeah them is

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tjcarter:

oh? nifty

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juski:

tjcarter: just not in the mythtv bit

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tjcarter:

I think neon might be there too

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juski:

you know how there's /mythtv /mythplugins and /myththemes ? try /themes too

[19:06:56]

juski:

not a lot of people know they're there yet & that is probably a good thing

[19:06:58]

tjcarter:

I don't know if myththemes gets included in osx-packager

[19:07:18]

juski:

you won't find any of my themes in myththemes

[19:07:45]

juski:

and again that's probably a good thing too

[19:08:06]

tjcarter:

millions of people using svn to get blootube!

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tjcarter:

-wide

[19:08:45]

tjcarter:

mythtv development would grind to a halt.

[19:08:51]

juski:

on holiday a thought occurred to me though – I wonder how many people in Greece (the land of mythology) use MythTV ;)

[19:08:53]

tjcarter:

servers would crash

[19:09:26]

juski:

dunno about crashing. prolly slow down a lot though

[19:09:30]

tjcarter:

juski: Tivosucksicus?

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defaultro:

hey folks, what else are cool other than? Heroes, Journeyman, CSI*, Bionic Woman, Moonlight, Fallen?

[19:10:28]

iamben:

you forgot lost

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defaultro:

ok

[19:10:51]

defaultro:

tjcarter, juski isn't working anymore on blootube correct?

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dmz:

howdy y'all

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dmz:

wierd problem here

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tjcarter:

MythTV: Because Windows MCE angers the gods.

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Slyboots:

Lost blows :P

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dmz:

just rebooted my system for the 1st time in a while and it all runs fine except for myth

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tjcarter:

defaultro: ask juski =D

[19:11:57]

dmz:

mythbackend, mythfilldatabase, mythtv-setup all segfault

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juski:

defaultro: I'm going to continue to incorporate changes needed to keep it working with trunk and no more

[19:12:42]

tjcarter:

juski: blootube would look good in charcoal I think

[19:13:06]

juski:

users who say $theme would look good in $something can go get their own theme design guy

[19:13:43]

tjcarter:

juski: I'm thinking about greying the background images, you interested in a couple sshots if I do it?

[19:13:50]

juski:

unless you want to pay. $5000 for a finished theme would about do it, plus upkeep at $200 per hour

[19:14:15]

juski:

tjcarter: what you do to my themes is none of my business, but if it sucks, make DAMN sure my name is nowhere near it

[19:14:45]

tjcarter:

juski: I don't plan on it sucking =)

[19:15:10]

juski:

but – a grey version of blootube-wide? sounds sucky already man

[19:15:37]

defaultro:

ok

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juski:

if a version appears of my stuff that associates itself with my work I might be left with no choice other than to rename or totally withdraw my work

[19:16:02]

defaultro:

juski, i love the colors of your projectgayhem

[19:16:37]

defaultro:

i like black and dark gray colors combined with neon yellow/blue/green or orange

[19:16:50]

defaultro:

like xbox

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juski:

blech

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defaultro:

:D

[19:17:25]

juski:

anyway, if my next work every surfaces – i.e. if I ever bother to finish it, it'll make everything else I've ever done look like crap

[19:18:08]

juski:

but with 8 hungry themes to feed new xml & images, I doubt it'll happen soon. something is gonna have to fall by the wayside

[19:18:30]

juski:

your money is best bet on the 4:3 ones first

[19:20:01]

juski:

and you know me guys, that shiny glassy one will happen one day

[19:20:27]

defaultro:

hey folks, offtopic question, what env variable do I modify before the word ./configure, my db.h is pointing to /usr/local/BerkeleyDB.4.5/include/db.h

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defaultro:

CCFLAGS?

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laga:

hey juski

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Slyboots:

Oh.. For.. FUCK SAKE

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Slyboots:

... tjcarter You run on a Intel mac dont you

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tjcarter:

Slyboots: yes... I take it you don't?

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Slyboots:

PPC :P

[19:26:39]

tjcarter:

oh FFS

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Slyboots:

... to hell with it, Dont care anymore

[19:26:51]

Slyboots:

God does not want me to run MythFrontend

[19:27:02]

Slyboots:

:D

[19:27:43]

tjcarter:

I probably could build it for PPC

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Slyboots:

Meh, Dont worry about it

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tjcarter:

do you have XCode installed?

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tjcarter:

if so, just use grab osx-packager.pl from svn (or http://yumi.bluecherry.net/~tjcarter/osx-packager.pl if you'd rather not go looking for it) and run that

[19:33:10]

tjcarter:

My guess

[19:33:16]

tjcarter:

/oops ww

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Slyboots:

?\

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Slyboots:

How exxactly do you run it..?

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tjcarter:

put it in a directory and run it in terminal like so:

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tjcarter:

chmod +x osx-packager.pl

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tjcarter:

./osx-packager.pl -verbose

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tjcarter:

and wait for it to do magic

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** Slyboots sits back **

[19:37:37]

Slyboots:

I suppose I can hijack your package for the themes

[19:37:42]

Slyboots:

So tis not a total loss :)

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tjcarter:

for the ones I added, yes

[19:38:22]

tjcarter:

grab the blootube's and pear-ody ;)

[19:38:29]

Slyboots:

heh

[19:39:43]

tjcarter:

useful thing about trunk (and 0.20.2) is that you no longer have to wait 5 minutes for blootube-wide to scale/cache images every time you start MythFrontend

[19:39:56]

tjcarter:

It takes about that long.

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Slyboots:

Takes about.. 15 seconds to cache but that only happens once so it never realy bothered me

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tjcarter:

Not blootube-wide!

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tjcarter:

no way..

[19:43:54]

tjcarter:

it's fhuge

[19:44:03]

Slyboots:

Im not even sure what theme I use..

[19:44:18]

juski:

hey laga

[19:44:23]

Slyboots:

Yup, Bluetube-wide

[19:44:42]

juski:

it's blootube-wide

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laga:

juski: liked your vacations?

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juski:

geesh man you go to all the trouble of randomly selecting an unsuitable name for a theme & what do people go & do? spell it wrong :P

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juski:

laga: very much so. it's nice to be back of course but it's too damn cold

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Slyboots:

:D

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** juski can highly recommend Mythos, 2.5 Euro for 500ml in bars & quality restaurants everywhere **

[19:49:47]

laga:

sounds good

[19:50:40]

juski:

http://www.greekproducts.com/mythosbeer/company.html

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juski:

well, I'm all caught up with my emails, time to get caught up with my tv

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hobophobe:

Sometimes my cable box (DCT-2000) the picture goes blank after sitting on a channel too long (sound still works)... my channel changing program doesn't change channel if it's already on the right one... so I need to force a change to some channel I never use and then change back to the right channel

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hobophobe:

What I'm wondering is, should I do this as a shell script or can I put two commands in the 'external channel changer' field somehow?

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tjcarter:

hobophobe: see if you can get the smaller box that looks like a cable modem

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tjcarter:

hobophobe: it's MUCH nicer

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tjcarter:

faster channel changes too

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hobophobe:

ah

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hobophobe:

is this a BMC X000 you refer to?

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hobophobe:

Anyway, for now I guess I'll just use a shell script... I never record the TV guide channel so I can just switch to that first and then take the argument for the switch-back

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Noble:

does anyone have a remote file for a dish network vip222?

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tjcarter:

hobophobe: I don't know the model

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tjcarter:

it's a Moto box

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tjcarter:

and it's a LOT better than the crappy DCT-2000

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defaultro:

hey folks, what's this promo about mythtv when recording a show?

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hobophobe:

There's a news article that says my cable co was working with moto and digeo on a new box that combines cable modem or some such

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Slyboots:

... hahaha

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Slyboots:

The install script breaks down

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Slyboots:

Curl cant download qt-mac-free-3.3.6.tar.gz (Error code 7)

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tjcarter:

Slyboots: sec

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Eclipsor:

is there an easy way to archive files to cd and transcode them a few mb lower?

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Eclipsor:

not sure how to say that

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tjcarter:

Slyboots: use curl and get it directly from trolltech

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Eclipsor:

but a lot of my half hour shows are ~360mb, so I can only fit one per cd

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tjcarter:

just trim the first part of the URL off

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Slyboots:

Okay

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tjcarter:

curl -L ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-mac-free-3.3.6.tar.gz > .osx-packager/src/qt-mac-free-3.3.6.tar.gz

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tjcarter:

then rerun ./osx-packager.pl -verbose

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Eclipsor:

I've also noticed that recording captions screws up some recordings >.< any way to fix this without turning them back off?

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tjcarter:

it'll pick up where it left off

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directhex:

is anyone running a 64-bit backend?

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** Slyboots nods, just waiting for it to download **

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Slyboots:

Yay, unpacking :D

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mike3_:

ahhh

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Slyboots:

Hmm.. perhaps a game of nethack to pass the time

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hobophobe:

Eclipsor, what does the captions screw up?

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Eclipsor:

the recordings will jump significantly

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Eclipsor:

happened on 75% of the recordings

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Eclipsor:

since I last turned it on

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Eclipsor:

(ntsc btw)

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hobophobe:

by jump you mean what?

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hobophobe:

they skip parts of the program?

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Eclipsor:

nah

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Eclipsor:

trying to think of hte right combination of words

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Eclipsor:

what should be the bottom half of the frame shows up on the top

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Eclipsor:

and so on

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Eclipsor:

and it goes up and down

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hobophobe:

weird

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Eclipsor:

hm I think I found something on google

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hobophobe:

sounds kind of like on older tvs there was a 'vertical hold' setting that if you messed with it the screen would loop around

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Eclipsor:

yeah

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Eclipsor:

pretty much like that

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Eclipsor:

google results make it look like its an xvmc problem

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Eclipsor:

well I never use them anywyas :P

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Eclipsor:

might as well just turn them off

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hobophobe:

Most of the time the captions I can get aren't worth reading... too many scrambled words or partial words

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Eclipsor:

over cable?

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Eclipsor:

I havent had any problems with cable, only when I used captions on broadcast tv

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hobophobe:

Over cable, but it's not the fault of myth, it's the captions themselves.. my tv shows them just the same as myth

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hobophobe:

just lousy captioning :oP

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Eclipsor:

yeah :p

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dmz:

quick question...i'm needing to split up some services (somehting wierd), can i leave my database where it is & keep frontends pointing @ it but move the backend to another machine? or does db & backend need to be same box?

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Eclipsor:

is there anything i can add to the default mythtranscode command to reduce file sizes by a percent or two?

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hobophobe:

dmz, I don't believe they have to be on same box since the db is meant to be accessible via networks

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hobophobe:

Eclipsor, I think somehow you could make a special profile for a lower bitrate?

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Eclipsor:

how much would I need to reduce to get just a little bit smaller?

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Eclipsor:

right now I'm using the default provile for medium quality I think it was

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hobophobe:

well, you could just make a new profile that's the same except for a few minor tweaks and see how it performs

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hobophobe:

like, watch a minute of live tv, then just run mythtranscode on copies of that file with different profiles to see how the quality and size differs based on profile?

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dmz:

isn't backend meant to be accessible?

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dmz:

i'll try :)

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hobophobe:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Parameters this might have some hints too, I'm looking at it myself

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hobophobe:

dmz, yeah

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defaultro:

hey folks, what channel is CW?

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Eclipsor:

where can I change my recordnig profiles?

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Eclipsor:

or see what they're set at

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Eclipsor:

I'm sure I've seen it on mythweb at some point

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defaultro:

ah CW is WGN

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defaultro:

:D

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Eclipsor:

ah found it

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Eclipsor:

ok, so I'd want to set my recording profile at the same bitrate as my transcoding?

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Eclipsor:

now, no easy way to queue all my shows for transcoding again, eh? :p

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tank-man:

tag them all and transcode

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Eclipsor:

tag them all?

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tank-man:

"/"

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tank-man:

highlight them

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Eclipsor:

oh ok

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tank-man:

"/", "m", "playlist options", "transcode"

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Kazan:

anyone here wear contact lenses

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hobophobe:

I have before, but right now I wear glasses

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Kazan:

when you first got your contacts

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Kazan:

were they somewhat blurry?

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Kazan:

and kept shifting in and out of proper position?

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hobophobe:

I had rigid ones.. they were clear but your eyes do take time to adjust to wearing them

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hobophobe:

and yes, they would get out of place, etc.

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Kazan:

i have flexible gas perms

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Kazan:

and mine have to be custom made to order

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Kazan:

vertex toric XRs

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Kazan:

i have 3 diopters of astigmatism in one eye and 3.5 in the other

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Kazan:

not to mention about 1.5 of normal near-sightedness

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hobophobe:

slowly get used to them, wear like a few hours at most the first few days, and gradually increase the time you wear them for.. that's what they had me do when I first got them anyway

[21:00:36]

Kazan:

problem i seem mostly to be having is they aren't staying in proper rotational alignment.. so my astigmatism correction comes and goes

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hobophobe:

I just want lasik, dammit. that or high performance CCDs connect to my optic nerves :oP

[21:02:05]

Kazan:

lasik can't completely correct my vision

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hobophobe:

but I'd go get a checkup with your doc, make sure everything's kosher if it's givin you trouble

[21:02:19]

Kazan:

1.5 diopters of my astigmatism in each eye is internal

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hobophobe:

ah

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Kazan:

oh i just got my first set of contacts about 2 hours ago... had an hour long dispense

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Kazan:

woot woot the sack for my recurve bow arrived

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hobophobe:

Probably then, just give your eyes time to get used to them

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Kazan:

it's really annoying

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Kazan:

for a bit i'll see almost perfectly

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hobophobe:

especially things like them moving out of place or rotating, your eyes will adapt to it and it won't happen

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Kazan:

then they shift and everything will distort

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hobophobe:

my problem when I had rigid gas permeables, my pupils are so big I'd always see the edges

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ole_schoola:

Kazan: had the Boston II gas perms (what are now called semi-rigid) about <cough> twenty years ago

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ole_schoola:

the edges can bite if you get the slightest speck of crap in em

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H00chster:

I would assume this is a lirc thing but thought I would inquire first. Friend of mine wants to be able to hold the button down on his remote and scroll through the guide for instance, instead of having to hit the key over and over. Is there something in Myth to do that, or is it something in the lirc.conf that he needs to add repeat for

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ole_schoola:

but, no, i had no exp with astigmatism, the doc was just dumb for using that kind, i now wear daily soft

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Eclipsor:

tank-man: is there a way tot ag all at one time?

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Eclipsor:

found it

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Eclipsor:

nevermind

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mchou:

damn, just read the news..... SCO files for Chapter 11

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mchou:

this is a pre-emptive defense against Novell burying them

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defaultro:

show me the link

[21:11:23]

mchou:

groklaw.net

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defaultro:

ok

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mchou:

the wheels of justice crsh mightily

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mchou:

crush*

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Eclipsor:

hm, what resolution is normal cable?

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Eclipsor:

480x480?

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defaultro:

bad for SCO

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mchou:

SCO has been in doo for quite some time

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defaultro:

i heard some news before that they are going to file against linux, did that happen?

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

file against linux?

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defaultro:

not sure what it was

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mchou:

how does one go about suing an OS?

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defaultro:

i didn't mean the os

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defaultro:

but they were planning to file something against someone

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mchou:

defaultro: SCO lost in court. pretty much happened over the last 2–3 wks

[21:19:32]

mchou:

defaultro: Novell has copyrights on SysV

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mchou:

SCO has a plastic bag :)

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mchou:

SCO has been found guilty of "conversion," basically a form of theft

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tank-man:

the story is when someone in a suit goes to jail

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

conversion?

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defaultro:

what did they steal?

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tank-man:

i'm guessing converting FUD into $$

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defaultro:

i'm thinking it's code

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mchou:

nope.

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Kazan:

Eclipsor: 720x480

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Kazan:

for NTSC

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Kazan:

PAL is different

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mchou:

they never had rights to enter into certain licensing agreements (and never provided Novell with accounting)

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Kazan:

defaultro: SCO filed suit against various linux vendors several years ago.. where have you been

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defaultro:

:)

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Eclipsor:

hm, doesnt look like I'm missing any of the image

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Eclipsor:

:\

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mchou:

they were supposed to ask Novell for permission to enter those licensing agreements, and if novel agreed, they were to remit 95% of fees for licensing back to Novell

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mchou:

Novell

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defaultro:

ah

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mchou:

SCO basically kept all the money

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mchou:

Now they owe Novell big time

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

are there still companies that uses SCO os?

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mchou:

maybe. I wouldnt know

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defaultro:

looks like they came out when banyan vines came out

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that's a name I havent heard in a long time

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defaultro:

:P

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Kazan:

who SCO filed chapter 11

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Kazan:

s/who/ooh

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defaultro:

unload SCO.nlm

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mchou:

Kazan: that's a pre-emptive move to prevent Novell from burying them :)

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mchou:

defaultro: you getting all mixed up

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defaultro:

huh

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mchou:

why would novell have a sco.nlm? :)

[21:30:34]

defaultro:

it was a joke

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mchou:

I dont understand why SCOX price keeps going up

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defaultro:

oh, i read a good news too about a month ago. US government would like to use opensource office application because Microsoft failed to provide standards on their office apps

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mchou:

it's not like you can short a stock of a company who has filed Chap. 11 :)

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defaultro:

k

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mchou:

anyway, the soap continues

[21:34:09]

mchou:

all that remains now is to watch the train wreck

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mchou:

there will be no seach & rescue for SCO

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** Eclipsor queues up 522 transcode jobs in mythtv **

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Eclipsor:

>.<

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Eclipsor:

this will be an uneventful week :p

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defaultro:

mchou, need your opinion. Is it advisable to work with an airline company?

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directhex:

mcdonalds run unixware on the back-end iirc

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Chicago:

Are there any other public mirrors for http://www.integralblue.com/gentoo/mythplugin . . . 4489.tar.bz2 ??? There is always a problem for me downloading from integralblue.

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Tall-guy:

hey guys, I'm just reading about nuvexport to dump .nuv and sql files from an old myth to new myth system....how do I re-import them???

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Yahooada1:

why .nuv files ?

[22:30:55]

Tall-guy:

oh, sorry.....old habits.....".mpg" files :)

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Tall-guy:

they useta was nuv :)

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Yahooada1:

ah

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Anduin:

Chicago: No need to escalate to the dev channel

[22:31:57]

Chicago:

Anduin: okay

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Tall-guy:

and an added note, do you know that schedules direct doesn't work if you use the wrong username??? :) :)

[22:31:59]

Yahooada1:

so is it actually mpgexport tallguy ?

[22:32:02]

AndyCap:

Tall-guy: thought you just used cp and mysqldump for that?

[22:32:19]

Chicago:

And also http://www.integralblue.com/gentoo/mythtv-0.21_p14489.tar.bz2

[22:32:21]

Anduin:

Chicago: That isn't a myth tarball anyway

[22:32:22]

Tall-guy:

anydcap: hmm....I suppose thats true now that I think of it....I'm making things too hard on myself...

[22:32:32]

Yahooada1:

yeah i was gonna say tall-guy

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AndyCap:

Tall-guy: nuvexport is more for archiving recordings

[22:32:44]

AndyCap:

Tall-guy: something like this: http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html

[22:32:47]

Yahooada1:

just dump the sql database, copy the recordings, then copy it all back when ure done

[22:32:49]

Yahooada1:

easy

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Tall-guy:

yahooad1: well SURE if you want to do it the EASY way!

[22:33:24]

juski:

ffs will you guys start putting stuff on the official wiki soon?

[22:33:38]

Yahooada1:

whey juski is back :)

[22:33:48]

AndyCap:

juski: what guys? I google them as I see them.

[22:34:07]

Yahooada1:

and what isnt in the wiki juski ?

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juski:

I'm sick to ducking death of joebloggsblog.net.foo and fixmymythbox.com crap – it's strewn everywhere

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AndyCap:

and then some

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juski:

got good info, put it in the wiki, not on your far-flung pigsty website :)

[22:34:53]

Yahooada1:

lol

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AndyCap:

wiki = another stupid new user account

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juski:

your blog will get just as few hits all the same!

[22:35:31]

Yahooada1:

ha ha :p

[22:35:36]

juski:

blog == put an 'l' in the 'bog'

[22:35:36]

AndyCap:

Tall-guy: anyhoo, to pacify juski: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

[22:35:47]

Tall-guy:

PACIFIST!!!

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Yahooada1:

hows the script coming juski ?

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juski:

I knew the stuff was in there somewhere, thought it was the wiki

[22:35:59]

juski:

Yahooada1: I've been sunning my arse in greece

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Tall-guy:

juski: thats an ugly mental image.....

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juski:

so it's not been coming along at all :P

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Tall-guy:

oooh , I thought he said "Grease"

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Chicago:

Anduin: And also of course http://www.integralblue.com/gentoo/myththemes . . . 4489.tar.bz2

[22:36:25]

Yahooada1:

lol

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juski:

and anyway, _what_ script?

[22:36:35]

juski:

;)

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AndyCap:

fix-everything-for-me.sh

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Yahooada1:

denying all knollege of it or not calling it a script ?

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juski:

oh yeah that thing. feelsorryforUKmythtvusersandmaketheirliveseasier.pl

[22:37:22]

Tall-guy:

hey, can we talk mythtvstream in here...or will people get offended?

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juski:

mythstream is poo

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juski:

mythstreamtv is no longer necessary :)

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AndyCap:

won't that make you constipated then?

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juski:

come to think of it, mythstream will no longer be necessary before too long aswell

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Tall-guy:

juski: splain pleze

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juski:

well, mythmusic can already have streaming support with eskil's shoutcast patches

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juski:

mythnews in svn can do youtube & all that gash

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Tall-guy:

um...i wanna stream vid via web browser to machine X in my network.....

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juski:

and mythstreamtv will be pointless since mythweb will do on the fly streaming in SVN too

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Yahooada1:

what it should be -> 1ca8d26e693379a03aff515a97bc3aa6 xUbuntu-0.9.0–602.iso

[22:39:39]

Yahooada1:

what it is -> 9f8103459acba19498655f7cdba2e19a *xUbuntu-0.9.0–602.iso

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juski:

Yahooada1: oh dear, lookey likey you needy downloady agains

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Tall-guy:

mebbe I said the wrong thing....I'll restate....

[22:40:20]

Tall-guy:

"you know that kewl Stream thingy thats in mythweb now????"

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AndyCap:

Yahooada1: just use md5sum --fixup

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juski:

mmyers

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Yahooada1:

lol

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juski:

Tall-guy: what about it?

[22:41:13]

Yahooada1:

i think the download stopped like 1/2 way thru, so no fix attempt could fix it :p

[22:41:20]

Tall-guy:

juski: why do the shortcuts on it have no ip (ie: mms://:8801) or whaetever

[22:42:12]

juski:

Tall-guy: I dunno, my first guess would be that you configured it incorrectly (works for me) :P

[22:42:40]

Tall-guy:

well, thats just it...didn't configure squat yet....just saw the option on the mythweb after doing a couple of test recordings.....

[22:43:09]

juski:

you got the solution yerself then. well done

[22:43:31]

Yahooada1:

i see a week in greece hasnt helped juski :p

[22:43:40]

Tall-guy:

something about ass.... :)

[22:43:43]

Chicago:

juski: Do know of a mirror for the SVN snapshots that you can share with us?

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juski:

Yahooada1: it helped – for a whole week. I'm back in the UK now :(

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juski:

infact I was fine til the UK Gestapo at customs made me wait in line for 90 minutes

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Yahooada1:

lolz

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juski:

Chicago: no I dunno

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juski:

increased security measures... they take 50ms more to squint at yer passport

[22:46:10]

juski:

I considered causing a stir at the desk but took one look at the 1-way glass window off to the side & thought better of it

[22:46:17]

AndyCap:

juski: yeah, they really should beat you with a rubberhose until you admit to being someone else in a previous life.

[22:46:39]

juski:

didn't want to delay my homecoming any more than strictly necessary. it's ducking stupid though

[22:46:47]

Yahooada1:

lol

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Yahooada1:

isnt the uk *great*

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juski:

I mean, making UK citizens with passports wait to be processed is meant to protect us from terrorists _how_ ? grrr

[22:47:41]

Yahooada1:

who knows, infact god knows what customs is thinking

[22:47:53]

AndyCap:

juski: pretty much anything related to travel and "security" is horribly stupid these days it seems :(

[22:47:58]

Yahooada1:

all their "solutions" are retarded

[22:48:18]

Yahooada1:

biometric passports cost Â£billions and were cracked in 1 week with $200

[22:50:12]

Yahooada1:

xbox fan at full speed = noiiiiisy lol

[22:50:30]

Yahooada1:

i think my 36 port network switch was noisy, but damn

[22:50:33]

Yahooada1:

thought #

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juski:

they shoulda made the xbox with a fan in the bottom, that way it could hover too

[22:51:01]

Yahooada1:

do u have an xbox juski ?

[22:51:03]

juski:

still wouldn't detract from the fact it's so fugly though

[22:51:11]

Dagmar:

So then when it's done with chewing up your disks, it can break your TV

[22:51:20]

juski:

yeah I have an xbox. it's been linux-disabled

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Yahooada1:

:o

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juski:

I say 'disabled' because anything in X with only 32MB usable ram is beyond a joke

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juski:

give it another 96MB it'd be usable

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juski:

yeah I've got linux on there – gentoox – and I put xebian on there AND for good measure I got mythfrontend worky on it juust to see what it was like. I'll never get those hours back

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juski:

XBMC with the xbmcmythtv 'plugin' (aka python scripts) used to be my weapon of choice. I've gone off xbmc a lot since I learned it needs to be built with stolen software

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juski:

and before anybody pipes up with "but muh muh muh xbmc linux port" I'll suggest they RTFM & find out they _still_ need those hooky binaries for it to work

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juski:

maybe it's not using them but the fact that you have to unpack the dodgy rar onto the machine remains

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** Tall-guy has an xbox....sw hack.....pondering picking up another for mythfrontend.....juski: you think thats a bad idear? **

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AndyCap:

juski: what hooky binaries? if they port xbmc to linux, would they still need the MS sdk?

[22:58:01]

juski:

Tall-guy: depends on the intended user. It'd be ok for an occasionally used (boot it up half hour before you wanna use it) frontend for your own use but I think it'd be too slow for a significant other to put up with

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hobophobe:

Boondock Saints is coming on tv tonight (technically tomorrow morning)

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Tall-guy:

I juski: I'm lookin for a bedroom frontend... (front/back currently downstairs)

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juski:

AndyCap: right now even the linux port of xbmc depends on you unraring the dodgy MS XDK compiled binary into the install dir

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Yahooadam:

god my bloody internet

[22:59:05]

Yahooadam:

i hate BT

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AndyCap:

juski: hehe. that's pretty crappy

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juski:

maybe it's only for some files but the fact remains you still need the ahhhaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr Jimlad binary

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juski:

Tall-guy: I'd want something quiet for a bedroom frontend

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juski:

infact I'd not want to watch TV in the bedroom – EVER ;)

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AndyCap:

it'd be bad for sleep hygiene. (or your marriage)

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juski:

and if you have to resort to watching TV because she has a 'headache', the xbox will only make it worse anyway :P

[23:01:07]

XLV:

yeah, probably really cause one, then theres true nagging

[23:01:12]

hobophobe:

Actually sex supposedly is a natural pain reliever

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AndyCap:

hobophobe: assuming you have it.

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juski:

if I put my xbox on up here I can hear it in the kitchen. and I'm upstairs now, diagonally opposite the kitchen

[23:01:56]

cal:

i just hook my moble frontend (laptop) to my bedroom tv when i need too..

[23:02:03]

juski:

it's one noisy beastie

[23:02:59]

Tall-guy:

juski: yeah, xbox aint quiet.

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Tall-guy:

cal: what os?

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cal:

ubuntu

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Tall-guy:

cal: seems to be the one of choice for a lot of ppl....

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juski:

sheepos :)

[23:03:39]

cal:

yup yup hehe

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Tall-guy:

maybe I'll triple boot my xp/vista/...ubuntu... laptp

[23:03:57]

Tall-guy:

I seem.....to use....a lot of dots in my convos lately..........

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juski:

Tall-guy: too much IRC

[23:04:11]

Tall-guy:

apparently.

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Yahooada2:

omfg im going to kill BT

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juski:

or you read.. too.. many ... blogs.... mussssst.... stop ............

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cal:

tall – just use the knoppmyth livecd... pop it in the laptop when you want to.. no install required.

[23:04:38]

Tall-guy:

oooh knoppmyth...theres a thought....

[23:04:41]

Tall-guy:

I'll try it tonite :)

[23:04:47]

Tall-guy:

(after I do my sql dumpy mess)

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cal:

yeah youll have it up in 10 minutes flat after downloaded hehe

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Slyboots:

Hm, Why is this compile breaking

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Tall-guy:

thanx for the advice all.....y'all have a good weekend

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Slyboots:

[osx-pkg] log http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/ --revision HEAD --xml | grep revision

[23:05:41]

Slyboots:

sh: line 1: log: command not found

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Slyboots:

[osx-pkg] Cannot get head revision – Got ''

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juski:

oh gawd that reminds me there were these cockney slappers in the apt downstairs from us on holiday – they were noisy as hell – not just talking either – but they took pics of all the blokes who (shall we say.. er..) 'visited' them during their stay and will be putting it all up on facebook. yay :-\

[23:05:46]

Slyboots:

Died at ./osx-packager.pl line 800.

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Slyboots:

woops

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Yahooada2:

anyway juski, as i was trying to say, you can actually upgrade the ram in your xbox, if your good at soldering

[23:06:01]

Tall-guy:

cockney slappers......man, that kills me

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juski:

Yahooada2: I know. not worth it though, since the xbox is so good looking & quiet & all

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cal:

my xbox dvd drive gets nothing but media errors now :(

[23:06:32]

cal:

guess i need to replace the drive

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juski:

Tall-guy: slappers, bikes.. low-down stinking HOes..

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Yahooada2:

ha ha :p

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cal:

my friend's died too.. .i think all the original xbox dvd drives are giving out around this time, as old as they are getting

[23:07:21]

Tall-guy:

juski: makes me think of Cilla from coronation street.

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juski:

Tall-guy: at least those cockney lasses had their looks though :P

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Tall-guy:

juski: tru nuf...

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Tall-guy:

later boys.

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juski:

but the noise.. omg. I remembered why I try not to go to Englander resorts

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juski:

they went home on our 3rd day though so it wasn't much to have to put up with

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Yahooada2:

:D

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Yahooada2:

lucky bum

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Yahooada2:

why am i still here as yahooadam >_<

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Yahooada2:

is your xbox softmodded juski ?

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juski:

Yahooada2: nah. aaaaaaaardware

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Yahooada2:

im trying to find some ram for it

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Yahooada2:

probably impossible these days i bet

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juski:

didn't know for sure if I could softmod, so figured it was worth spending a tenner while I was invalidating the warranty

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Yahooada2:

hard enough to get the console

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XLV:

Yahooada2, people here suggested msntv or zenega/bose/t-online s100 STBs

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Chicago:

Does anybody have the mythtv, mythplugins and myththemes builds for 14489 from http://www.integralblue.com/gentoo/?

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Henkie:

where do i set the "recording-directory for mythweb?

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Yahooada2:

to get the chips from, or instead of an xbox ?

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XLV:

instead of

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XLV:

for mythtv frontend

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Chicago:

Or does anybody have a better idea than using this gentoo overlay -> https://www.integralblue.com/gentoo/layman-overlays.xml

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juski:

XLV: those t-online s100 STB PCs are not for the weak of heart :P

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Yahooada2:

64 euros for more ram

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Yahooada2:

jeez

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XLV:

juski, tough to get linux on? jtag soldering etc?

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Chicago:

Anybody here like gentoo?

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juski:

XLV: nah nothing like the MSNTV2

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juski:

XLV: need to make a VGA cable & plug a USB keyboard in :)

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XLV:

juski, well, vga cables they sell them in ebay for 7 Euro, usb kb i guess i'd need to mod some usb brackets

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Chicago:

I wonder if there is a good proxy server which has already cached http://www.integralblue.com/gentoo/ for the 14489 build zips.

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juski:

XLV: it has USB sockets

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XLV:

i have also a vga cable from an old mb with igp, p1 era.. that might work

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juski:

XLV: check the pinout first though man

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XLV:

ofcourse

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juski:

comes out of a 10 pin 0.1" IDC header

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dmz:

another question...i have 2 backend servers, my master server died, what do i need ot change to get the slave to take over so my multiple frontends work ok

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Chicago:

dmz: Tell your frontends their mythtv database and connection goes to the server still working.

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dmz:

the database was on the master

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dmz:

should i move it to the other?

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Luminari:

if all I want from mythtv is the ability to view local videos, videos on network shares, and the ability to download torrents, what would be a good path?

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Luminari:

where videos are tv shows + movies

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Yahooada2:

dmz, if you want your other server to become the master, you will have to

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dmz:

ok thanks (that's why it's not playing the recordings:)

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Chicago:

You can easily create a new database and database user on the slave... grant it privileges and then import new schema from /mythtv/databases/mc.sql... but then you'll have to add your old recordings... maybe that's what myth.rebuilddatabase.pl is for... ?

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Yahooada2:

bah the excuter front panel thing is starting to piss me off

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Yahooada2:

those LED's are far too bright

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hobophobe:

Awesome about SD making it $15/6 months now

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