| Monday, September 10th, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:28] | Tanthrix: | I bought a E4400 – around $130 now I think |
| [00:00:48] | Inssomniak: | I thought about goin to the 6850 myself |
| [00:00:52] | Inssomniak: | or the 6750 |
| [00:01:06] | Inssomniak: | the main board seems to support it |
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| [00:10:55] | Rainman_: | any ideas on why my air2pc card wont scan channels in myth, All is detected fine in setup but channel scanning is grusomly slow and has no signa; |
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| [00:12:49] | Inssomniak: | scanning atsc or qam? |
| [00:12:52] | Rainman_: | work great with mythdora out of the box, but did a install with ubuntu and have problems |
| [00:12:54] | Rainman_: | atsc |
| [00:13:05] | Inssomniak: | hmm |
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| [00:13:28] | Inssomniak: | not sure I use a different atsc card, I just know the air2pc with qam has issues |
| [00:14:09] | Rainman_: | i used it fine in mythdora, so its got to be a config problem |
| [00:14:22] | Inssomniak: | yea maybe drivers? |
| [00:14:25] | Rainman_: | this is the old 1st gen card |
| [00:14:31] | Inssomniak: | using the HG or kernel drivers? |
| [00:15:03] | Rainman_: | well i dont know i suppose the kernel, i havnt installed anything |
| [00:15:22] | Rainman_: | except dvb-apps |
| [00:15:47] | Rainman_: | do i need to hg v4l-dvb? |
| [00:15:57] | Inssomniak: | also check dmesg while scanning it might give you a clue |
| [00:16:26] | Rainman_: | can you tall me how, im new to linux |
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| [00:16:42] | Inssomniak: | at the command prompt just type dmesg |
| [00:16:49] | Rainman_: | ok lol |
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| [00:17:03] | Inssomniak: | at the end it might tell you something |
| [00:17:07] | a1fa: | its time to completly upgrade mythtv :( |
| [00:17:29] | Rainman_: | hsould i install v4l-dvb? |
| [00:17:35] | a1fa: | going back from unstable->stable |
| [00:17:39] | a1fa: | new install |
| [00:17:54] | a1fa: | oh, btw, new svn is foobarred |
| [00:18:13] | Inssomniak: | Rainman_, , might be somewhat confuzing and difficult for someone new to linux, involves compiling kernel. |
| [00:18:24] | Rainman_: | ok |
| [00:19:18] | Inssomniak: | whats wrong with new svn? |
| [00:19:50] | Rainman_: | ill get it and try to find a good guide |
| [00:20:02] | Rainman_: | thanks Inssomniak |
| [00:20:09] | Inssomniak: | gl |
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| [00:23:26] | a1fa: | or maybe not ;P |
| [00:23:56] | a1fa: | 396 upgraded, 44 newly installed, 5 to remove and 3 not upgraded. |
| [00:23:59] | a1fa: | dang |
| [00:25:53] | Inssomniak: | gentoo eh |
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| [00:26:19] | a1fa: | debian |
| [00:26:30] | a1fa: | i am doing major overhall now |
| [00:26:35] | Rainman_: | that aint bad i did it with dialup speeds |
| [00:26:43] | a1fa: | 6mbit here |
| [00:26:56] | a1fa: | i hate the fact i am running unstable |
| [00:27:05] | a1fa: | and i hate the fact that my partition table is fubar |
| [00:27:17] | Rainman_: | its taken me 3 freakin days do get ubuntu and myth going |
| [00:27:20] | a1fa: | /dev/hda9 70G 62G 4.7G 93% /home |
| [00:27:28] | a1fa: | Rainman_: no rtfm? |
| [00:27:40] | a1fa: | it takes me about 15minutes :P |
| [00:27:43] | Rainman_: | huh? |
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| [00:28:01] | a1fa: | i am trolling |
| [00:28:04] | a1fa: | it takes couple of hours |
| [00:28:24] | a1fa: | after i upgrade my kernel i will have to recompile nvidia, ivtv, and lirc drivers |
| [00:28:57] | a1fa: | i really should be starting over with my mythtv |
| [00:29:20] | a1fa: | so i can run stable |
| [00:29:45] | Rainman_: | the only way mine will be stable is pure luck |
| [00:29:59] | a1fa: | what are you running? |
| [00:30:06] | Rainman_: | ubuntu |
| [00:30:19] | a1fa: | its ok |
| [00:30:28] | Rainman_: | its the easiest for me |
| [00:30:42] | Rainman_: | it actuall detects all my sound and wifi |
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| [00:30:49] | a1fa: | cool |
| [00:30:53] | a1fa: | what kind of wifi u got? |
| [00:31:03] | Rainman_: | linksys |
| [00:31:10] | a1fa: | WUSB? |
| [00:31:10] | Rainman_: | wmp54g |
| [00:31:15] | Rainman_: | pci |
| [00:31:16] | a1fa: | PCI |
| [00:31:18] | a1fa: | really |
| [00:31:19] | a1fa: | cool |
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| [00:31:26] | a1fa: | didnt know those are supported |
| [00:31:31] | my2keh: | anyone use a MediaMVP here? |
| [00:31:45] | Rainman_: | got lucky i guess |
| [00:31:47] | a1fa: | i am tempted to start over and use my xbox as frontend |
| [00:31:55] | Homan: | my database queries are taking a while for mythtv and |
| [00:31:56] | GreyFoxx: | my2keh: I use to, but it ended up on the shelf so long I sold it to a friend for his myth setup |
| [00:32:15] | Rainman_: | xbox would be good but i dont think they do HD |
| [00:32:16] | Homan: | I know I can optimize my tables 1 at a time, anyone else got any better ideas |
| [00:32:21] | a1fa: | fuck it.. i am starting over again |
| [00:32:26] | Rainman_: | lol |
| [00:32:33] | Homan: | xbox definitely can't do HD |
| [00:32:43] | blackest: | my2keh yes its a bit ropey |
| [00:32:47] | Homan: | my p4 2.2 can barely |
| [00:32:50] | my2keh: | GreyFoxx>> did it work well for you? I'm guessing not because you sold it lol |
| [00:32:54] | ** GreyFoxx is wiping and building from scratch next weekend. ** | |
| [00:32:58] | my2keh: | what "a bit ropey" mean? heh |
| [00:33:11] | a1fa: | my mythtv database is 25mb |
| [00:33:12] | GreyFoxx: | my2keh: It worked fine, but because if it's limitations I replaced it with msntv2 settop boxes |
| [00:33:12] | a1fa: | ;P |
| [00:33:15] | a1fa: | hhe |
| [00:33:16] | a1fa: | brb |
| [00:33:21] | Rainman_: | really i got a pentium d 3.2 that acually does pretty good |
| [00:33:38] | Rainman_: | oopps sorry not a D |
| [00:33:47] | Rainman_: | its just 1 core |
| [00:33:51] | Homan: | mines a old p4 533 fsb, prolly 5 -6 years old |
| [00:33:59] | blackest: | well its not capable of livetv it also has a habit of large green squares at the bottom of the picture coz it doesnt decode fast enough |
| [00:34:00] | my2keh: | GreyFoxx>> did you use it to watch recordings/live tv? or as a full fledged box? |
| [00:34:03] | Homan: | does it has HT? |
| [00:34:03] | a1fa: | i am going back to stable |
| [00:34:07] | Rainman_: | no |
| [00:34:12] | a1fa: | no what? |
| [00:34:22] | Rainman_: | no ht |
| [00:34:22] | GreyFoxx: | my2keh: recordings, I don't really do LiveTV except for testing |
| [00:34:31] | my2keh: | yeah me neither... |
| [00:34:38] | Homan: | mine does fine until the OSD comes on, then its a little choppy |
| [00:34:40] | my2keh: | GreyFoxx>> was it wired or wireless? |
| [00:34:55] | GreyFoxx: | my2keh: Wired |
| [00:34:57] | my2keh: | I just want it for a kitchen TV is all |
| [00:34:58] | blackest: | xbox is a better bet than the mvp thing |
| [00:35:18] | my2keh: | blackest>> yeah, but i'm looking for the smallest box I can get away with |
| [00:35:44] | Rainman_: | mac mini |
| [00:35:46] | Homan: | whats wrong with the MVP, I was thinking about trying one |
| [00:35:54] | blackest: | its too slow |
| [00:36:01] | Homan: | ah, i see |
| [00:36:01] | my2keh: | Rainman_>> at the same time, cheap :) |
| [00:36:15] | my2keh: | blackest>> wanna sell me your MVP/ heh |
| [00:36:15] | blackest: | the builds might have got better been about a year since it |
| [00:36:16] | Rainman_: | oh ok not the mini then |
| [00:36:22] | blackest: | was running here |
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| [00:37:04] | my2keh: | Some places say the MVP can play live tv, other says it can't |
| [00:37:07] | my2keh: | sheesh |
| [00:37:36] | blackest: | actually the nicest backend machine i have is an ole compaq that is really really quite as in if it wasnt for 2 leds you wouldnt realise it was on |
| [00:38:03] | blackest: | only takes a half height agp card thou |
| [00:38:34] | blackest: | its a black slimline desktop cost me about £130 with a 2gig processor |
| [00:39:12] | blackest: | xboxes are slow coz of the minimal ram but they are cheap enough |
| [00:39:39] | my2keh: | i have an xbox kicking around |
| [00:39:46] | my2keh: | but the size is a little too big |
| [00:39:54] | Yahooadam: | arent xboxes quite loud ? |
| [00:40:09] | my2keh: | and it's loud |
| [00:40:11] | my2keh: | heh |
| [00:40:14] | blackest: | well not too bad only when they get pretty warm |
| [00:40:37] | Yahooadam: | anyway dont u have to put linux on the xbox, which means softflash or modchip ? |
| [00:40:40] | blackest: | you could change the fan in it |
| [00:41:11] | blackest: | yep its quite easy you run a copy of mech assault and load a special save |
| [00:41:33] | blackest: | then burn a copy of xebian to a dvd and install |
| [00:42:06] | blackest: | theres actually an image file you can ftp over for mythtv |
| [00:42:08] | my2keh: | yeah my xbox is modded already |
| [00:42:52] | blackest: | i think i found an image with emule |
| [00:43:26] | my2keh: | orrr if I could do coax out from my backend |
| [00:43:35] | blackest: | there is very little setting up involved just ip address and mythtv password |
| [00:44:01] | a1fa: | Ok, proceeding with removing running kernel image. |
| [00:44:05] | blackest: | there is one method you could use get a tv repeater unut |
| [00:44:08] | blackest: | unit |
| [00:44:25] | my2keh: | oh? |
| [00:44:37] | blackest: | only problem is most work on 2.4 same as wifi |
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| [00:44:54] | my2keh: | hmmm i'm on 2.6 |
| [00:45:12] | blackest: | i meant 2.4ghz |
| [00:45:21] | my2keh: | oh |
| [00:45:32] | my2keh: | yeah that's no good |
| [00:45:41] | blackest: | so you might find you get a load of interferance |
| [00:45:41] | my2keh: | I know what you are talking about now |
| [00:45:44] | my2keh: | an X10 jobby |
| [00:45:54] | my2keh: | garbage |
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| [00:46:30] | blackest: | mines got 4 channels and if i put the transmitter at the bottom frequency and the wifi on 11 its not too bad |
| [00:46:39] | directhex: | slashdot in "mind-bogglingly awful" shocker |
| [00:47:10] | my2keh: | actually I think my wireless is on 5.6 |
| [00:47:14] | my2keh: | wait that's impossible |
| [00:47:16] | my2keh: | my phone is 5.6 |
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| [00:47:42] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [00:47:47] | Yahooadam: | there is a 5ghz wireless |
| [00:47:50] | Yahooadam: | Wireless A |
| [00:48:27] | blackest: | what it is good at is controlling my sat dish from upstairs theres a slave backend with a pvr150 in it that records local to the satbox but i couldnt make myth control the sat box directly |
| [00:48:54] | blackest: | thats why i finished up with a livving room friendly pc downstairs |
| [00:48:55] | my2keh: | i thikn i need to read more on this mediamvp |
| [00:49:02] | my2keh: | it "looks" like the thing i need |
| [00:49:02] | psofa: | just out of curiosity, does dvb-s2 with a skystar hd work with mythtv/v4l? |
| [00:49:10] | blackest: | it isn't |
| [00:49:15] | Yahooadam: | blackest – you can use a serial IR blaster to control the satbox |
| [00:49:24] | blackest: | in theory yes |
| [00:49:39] | blackest: | in practice my satbox refused the codes |
| [00:49:57] | Yahooadam: | you can record your remote keystrokes |
| [00:49:59] | blackest: | i got lirc to learn the remote codes |
| [00:50:18] | Inssomniak: | my2keh, kinda flakey |
| [00:50:35] | my2keh: | Inssomniak>> in what sense? |
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| [00:50:54] | blackest: | i had an ir reciever that worked and it was ever so good at telling me what key i pressed it just couldnt do it back at the sat box |
| [00:51:05] | Inssomniak: | my2keh, unstable, not really recommended for production use, crashes, etc |
| [00:51:16] | my2keh: | hmmm... |
| [00:51:29] | my2keh: | i dunno if I consider kitchen use production |
| [00:51:36] | my2keh: | but could affect my WAF |
| [00:51:44] | Inssomniak: | your what? |
| [00:51:51] | my2keh: | wife acceptance factor |
| [00:51:59] | Inssomniak: | oh, yea thats a big one. |
| [00:52:06] | blackest: | its a network boot as well which means figuring out a server for it or running windows and replacing hauppauges firmware |
| [00:52:15] | my2keh: | but she doesn't want a big box in the kitchen |
| [00:52:20] | my2keh: | unless I redo the kitchen lol |
| [00:52:25] | blackest: | laptop maybe ? |
| [00:52:27] | Inssomniak: | Id go with a thin client |
| [00:52:48] | Inssomniak: | something running a true frontend |
| [00:52:55] | my2keh: | And to through another curveball, TV only has coax input heh |
| [00:53:06] | my2keh: | it doesn't need to be a true frontend |
| [00:53:13] | Inssomniak: | well then you are gonna need other converters there anyways lol |
| [00:53:22] | my2keh: | I might just put an FTA box or something |
| [00:53:27] | my2keh: | no pvr nuffin' |
| [00:53:31] | blackest: | well you could feed to a vcr and run the coax from that to the TV |
| [00:53:35] | Inssomniak: | my2keh, using a true myth frontend has a better WAF :) |
| [00:53:41] | Yahooadam: | blackest, if you use IRRecord, you can record the keystrokes of your sat's remote controller, that saves it to a lircd.conf which you then put back into /etc/lirc (or wherever) and then when you do somthing like irsend send_once sat 1 it will send the correct code :) |
| [00:53:55] | my2keh: | but the TV in the kitchen only get's used for while she's cookin' |
| [00:54:04] | Inssomniak: | your wife cooks? |
| [00:54:06] | Inssomniak: | dayum |
| [00:54:10] | Homan: | I like the thin client idea -check out http://disklessworkstations.com/ for some good ones |
| [00:54:12] | blackest: | in theory yes but it didnt work for me |
| [00:54:13] | my2keh: | haha of course she does |
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| [00:54:49] | Inssomniak: | use a 1ghz small PC with an agp slot with some gf 4 mx440 or blah with tv out and you are good :) |
| [00:55:02] | blackest: | could be a couple of issues one might be that i was using two serial ir devices and i think they cant work together |
| [00:55:08] | Inssomniak: | netboot it from your main myth box |
| [00:55:26] | a1fa: | anyway to check HDMI port without actually hooking it on TV? |
| [00:55:36] | Inssomniak: | a1fa, not really |
| [00:55:45] | a1fa: | is there an nvidia tool that can diagnose issues? |
| [00:55:54] | my2keh: | i won't be able to get awya with $500 for a kitchen pvr |
| [00:55:55] | my2keh: | lol |
| [00:56:05] | Inssomniak: | a1fa, dvi to HDMI is what you are trying? |
| [00:56:07] | blackest: | anyone ever tried extracting subs from a tv recording ? |
| [00:56:12] | Inssomniak: | a1fa, and it doesnt work? |
| [00:56:26] | my2keh: | maybe I can just get a kick ass long vga -> coax cable lol |
| [00:56:35] | Inssomniak: | vga->coax is a pain |
| [00:56:39] | Inssomniak: | you will need 2 boxes |
| [00:56:45] | a1fa: | it worked fine for a while |
| [00:56:53] | a1fa: | one day i came home, HDMI reports no signal |
| [00:56:54] | my2keh: | or if I could figure out why the LNB out of my TwinHan doesn't work |
| [00:57:08] | Inssomniak: | a1fa, you sure your timings you didnt change in your myth box? to something your tv hates? |
| [00:57:13] | blackest: | your lnb out ? |
| [00:57:14] | a1fa: | nope |
| [00:57:16] | a1fa: | nothing has changed |
| [00:57:26] | a1fa: | i need to inspect the cable to make sure cat didnt eat it |
| [00:57:34] | Inssomniak: | my2keh, they usually work but what are you hooking it to? |
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| [00:57:42] | my2keh: | uhhh a TV? |
| [00:57:45] | Inssomniak: | nonono |
| [00:57:48] | Inssomniak: | thats not for a TV |
| [00:57:58] | blackest: | are you running two sat decoders of one lnb ? |
| [00:58:13] | my2keh: | uhhh yes |
| [00:58:18] | a1fa: | ok |
| [00:58:20] | my2keh: | 2 twinhans, 1 lnb |
| [00:58:22] | a1fa: | now i see fucked up screen |
| [00:58:34] | a1fa: | hdmi is getting signal and its all scrambled |
| [00:58:34] | Inssomniak: | the LNB out on a twinhan outputs the currently tuned frequency and polarity on the LNB in |
| [00:58:50] | a1fa: | it looks like commodore game loading |
| [00:58:56] | blackest: | its usually a polarity issue |
| [00:59:00] | my2keh: | yeah, I was trying to do lnb -> twinhan -> FTA box |
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| [00:59:21] | Inssomniak: | yea that works but its like you are sharing the LNB in |
| [00:59:25] | my2keh: | and I'm assuming I can't go twinhan -> TV |
| [00:59:25] | blackest: | i do something similar but i have to be on the same polarisation on both boxes |
| [00:59:37] | Inssomniak: | yea you have to be on the same pol |
| [00:59:43] | my2keh: | hmmm |
| [01:00:05] | a1fa: | the gpu recognized the tv |
| [01:00:15] | a1fa: | but the picture is still scrambled |
| [01:00:40] | Inssomniak: | my2keh, correct you cant go twinhan to TV |
| [01:00:51] | my2keh: | but twinhan -> FTA is OK? |
| [01:00:59] | Inssomniak: | yea if you intend to share the same polarity |
| [01:01:08] | my2keh: | you mean signal? |
| [01:01:22] | a1fa: | http://www.pastebin.ca/689393 |
| [01:01:24] | a1fa: | yeah |
| [01:01:27] | a1fa: | the signal looks scrambled |
| [01:01:43] | blackest: | overwise a dual or twin lnb and run two cables from your dish |
| [01:01:58] | my2keh: | Right, I don't care about sharing the same line |
| [01:02:07] | my2keh: | if we are upstairs, we will take it |
| [01:02:22] | my2keh: | but I tried pluggin in from my LNB out of my twinhan |
| [01:02:29] | my2keh: | and I don't get enough signal into my FTA box |
| [01:02:35] | my2keh: | it's like another split right |
| [01:03:38] | blackest: | yes but remember its the twinhan controlling things so you will be limited severely |
| [01:04:01] | blackest: | did you try for the same channel on both boxes ? |
| [01:04:14] | my2keh: | uhhh |
| [01:04:33] | my2keh: | i was just looking inthe setup menu of the FTA |
| [01:04:38] | my2keh: | for signal strength |
| [01:04:53] | a1fa: | wow |
| [01:04:56] | a1fa: | this is fucked up |
| [01:05:06] | a1fa: | HDMi is only working in X, and its not working in console |
| [01:05:25] | a1fa: | i am not getting any audio from ivtv |
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| [01:07:04] | Yahooadam: | Blackest, well irrecord worked for me in the end, but i did use a mceusb2 one to pick it up, as i didnt have a serial reciever |
| [01:07:35] | a1fa: | hah funny |
| [01:07:39] | a1fa: | everything is working except lircv |
| [01:08:10] | blackest: | i spent a week on it and i was even trying sending codes to itself |
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| [01:08:49] | a1fa: | why is HDMI all scrambled when i reboot, but it works under X? |
| [01:09:21] | blackest: | i could see the reciever was getting a signal green led was flashing but what ever it was putting out it made no sense to the mythbox or the sat box |
| [01:09:44] | a1fa: | anybody runing SVN version? |
| [01:11:02] | blackest: | funny thing is I know a slingbox can control my satbox but getting remote codes from them .. no chance |
| [01:11:36] | Yahooadam: | slingbox ? |
| [01:11:37] | Yahooadam: | hmm |
| [01:12:03] | blackest: | over priced piece of junk |
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| [01:12:18] | a1fa: | tru |
| [01:12:46] | blackest: | it does only one thing relays live tv encripted over your lan in wmv format |
| [01:13:29] | blackest: | it doesnt have to be like that, but i think they are terrified of getting sued |
| [01:13:55] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [01:14:06] | a1fa: | wtfffffffff |
| [01:14:57] | blackest: | in fact earlier versions of the firmware did unencrypted streams to a windows box but now its harder to do |
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| [01:15:55] | Yahooadam: | how do u use a slingbox and mythtv :S |
| [01:15:59] | blackest: | if you can find an early firmware mod the version you can get some of the functionality back otherwise its just expensive junk |
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| [01:16:28] | a1fa: | Timing buffered disk reads: 144 MB in 3.00 seconds = 47.93 MB/sec |
| [01:16:31] | blackest: | well two seperate systems really |
| [01:16:36] | a1fa: | not bad |
| [01:16:51] | a1fa: | did anyone notice little skips in playback in svn? |
| [01:16:52] | blackest: | you can kind of share but its not so easy |
| [01:18:11] | blackest: | i really ought to sell the slingbox it gets very little use. |
| [01:21:01] | blackest: | anyway goodnight and good luck to you guys i've got to be up for work latter so i'd better get some sleep |
| [01:21:14] | Yahooadam: | he he |
| [01:21:15] | Yahooadam: | gnite |
| [01:21:39] | blackest: | actually there is one really nice sat solution which is pretty good a technomate 9100 |
| [01:22:16] | blackest: | you can fit it with a Hd its running linux anyway and set up a share on the Hd |
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| [01:22:59] | blackest: | or get it to stream to your mythbox live or later they are going for around £140-£150 |
| [01:23:19] | blackest: | pretty much a dreambox clone |
| [01:25:09] | blackest: | but then again a satcard and progdvb works quite well to but its windows based |
| [01:26:28] | blackest: | still you can set up a samba share and have its video folder available to mythvideo |
| [01:27:43] | Yahooadam: | meh |
| [01:27:56] | Yahooadam: | STB and Serial IR transmitter works orite for me |
| [01:29:12] | blackest: | i've tried most things progdvb has better quality than using a pvr150 card but then its not doing a digital to analogue to digital conversion |
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| [01:29:38] | blackest: | I couldnt get my sat card erm working well enough in mythtv |
| [01:33:19] | Yahooadam: | currently i have my sky STB going through analogue to my MCE box |
| [01:33:32] | Yahooadam: | but when i have my mythbackend box setup right, ill probably move it to that |
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| [01:35:08] | blackest: | well a pvr150 should work nicely |
| [01:35:21] | a1fa: | i just switched to schedules direct ;( |
| [01:35:30] | a1fa: | when is the price going to change? |
| [01:35:47] | Yahooadam: | at the end of the 3 month period at the latest |
| [01:35:53] | a1fa: | :( |
| [01:36:05] | a1fa: | 2007-09–09 20:35:16.971 DataDirect: Your subscription expires on 09/16/2007 06:30:14 PM |
| [01:36:40] | Yahooadam: | ? |
| [01:36:49] | Yahooadam: | 1 week trial ? |
| [01:36:49] | Krazer: | anyone know how to keep the mythtvbackend from stopping recording every 30min when the program database is not updated |
| [01:36:53] | a1fa: | yeah |
| [01:37:12] | a1fa: | it still says "datadirect" |
| [01:37:36] | a1fa: | i see alot of these |
| [01:37:36] | a1fa: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized |
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| [01:42:21] | a1fa: | 2007-09–09 20:41:50.189 Can't locate XML/Simple.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7 .) at /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythweather/scripts/nwsxml.pl line 4. |
| [01:42:21] | a1fa: | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythweather/scripts/nwsxml.pl line 4. |
| [01:42:23] | a1fa: | lol |
| [01:42:25] | a1fa: | it crashed mythtv |
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| [01:49:49] | a1fa: | hehe |
| [01:49:55] | a1fa: | anybody's movie times messed up? |
| [01:50:06] | mike3_: | So what's up with the new Policy put in place by SD. |
| [01:50:11] | a1fa: | what about it |
| [01:50:26] | mike3_: | I don't like the idea that they will just hand over our info to law inforcements. |
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| [01:54:39] | kdubya: | what reason would they have to... |
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| [01:55:19] | mike3_: | and the idea of them calling to market new things |
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| [01:57:30] | tyce: | anyone in here using the lastest version of myth (.20.2) with an air2pc HD tuner card? |
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| [02:08:09] | Rongo: | Is there a way to change the commercial-skip rules on a per-show basis? IE: Simpsons, and other animated shows are almost always correct, so skip automagically.. other shows should sholdnt.. |
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| [02:46:35] | Zarzan: | Hi my question is the following, does mythTv supports DVB-S cards, if yes, it is possible to watch Dish network with myth TV ? |
| [02:49:08] | Zarzan: | anyone remotely alive? |
| [02:49:40] | xris: | Zarzan: yes, and not legally |
| [02:49:59] | xris: | and.. yes |
| [02:50:08] | xris: | (since you asked 3 questions) |
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| [02:53:51] | Zarzan: | thanks xris, i have a dish receiver already, but i am unsured how myth tv can control the receiver |
| [02:54:01] | Rainman_: | OK finally got my air2pc card scanning channels |
| [02:54:27] | Zarzan: | how can i make that the mythbox control my receiver |
| [02:54:27] | xris: | Zarzan: I should said "not legally with dvb-s"... works great with an IR blaster and svideo from the receiver box |
| [02:54:28] | Zarzan: | ? |
| [02:54:28] | Rainman_: | just needed to load the firware file to /lib/firware/ |
| [02:54:51] | xris: | google "losdos mythtv" for instructions on using an ir blaster with dishnetwork. I used that for a couple of years before switching to comcast + firewire |
| [02:55:00] | Rainman_: | now on to the genpix skywalker |
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| [02:56:40] | Zarzan: | perfect, will look for it, thanks xris, I appreciate your help |
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| [03:00:55] | kieran491: | Hi |
| [03:01:41] | kieran491: | I have set up a mythttv backend and front end but i am not 100% sure that i have set up the TVCard Correctly whats a good way to test i have tryed watching live TV but i dont get anything |
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| [03:04:18] | drmitch: | anyone know how to view composite from a PVR-150 ? |
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| [03:10:40] | kyle___: | Hey guys, I just recorded a show and it says finished in the job queue, but it is not showing up in my recorded list to view, i saw the mythcommflag PID which finished, but still cannot find the show.. any ideas? |
| [03:11:56] | jhulst: | drmitch: I believe that you have to add another input in mythtv-setup and select the composite input |
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| [03:15:15] | Yahooadam: | bah where is |torg| |
| [03:17:41] | Krazer: | anyone know how to keep the mythtvbackend from stopping recording every 30min when the program database is not updated |
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| [03:18:49] | d3ity_: | hey guys, for some reason my frontend refuses to actually start the GUI |
| [03:19:03] | d3ity_: | it doesn't provide any errors it just doesn't do anything outside the terminal |
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| [03:19:42] | cesman: | brillant! |
| [03:20:05] | H00chster: | Is there a place to have the backend dump old program data older than a day? |
| [03:21:04] | d3ity: | anyone have any ideas as to what could cause that? |
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| [03:21:21] | Slyboots: | Hi |
| [03:22:07] | Slyboots: | Um, Having a few issues with my mythbox, but having trouble as well trying to track down a cause. I'm running low on disk space (about 3gb left) so I figured Iw ould start deleting videos and transcoding some I want to keep, but some wont Transcode |
| [03:22:21] | Kazan: | some moron posted an ask-slashdot how "free listings" now that zap2it is gone |
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| [03:22:31] | Kazan: | cheapskate moron |
| [03:22:51] | Slyboots: | System Status : wildLife Special ~ Job : Transcode ~ Status : Errored (Mythbxo) ~ Exit Status 255, Job status was "Errored" |
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| [03:22:58] | Slyboots: | That happens on every jobe I try to transcode |
| [03:23:22] | Slyboots: | I tried "Log Entries" but every priority level setting shows up blank |
| [03:23:28] | Kazan: | you logging backend output |
| [03:23:43] | Slyboots: | Um.. Should be.. |
| [03:23:46] | Kazan: | check your log |
| [03:23:47] | ** Slyboots ssh's in ** | |
| [03:24:24] | Slyboots: | uh. Okay.. The log is empty |
| [03:24:26] | Kazan: | d3ity: open a xterm and type mythfrontend and watch the scroll |
| [03:24:31] | Kazan: | Slyboots: um.. that's not good |
| [03:24:42] | Kazan: | get to logging and log the messages from a transcode fail |
| [03:24:52] | Slyboots: | How do I enable logging? |
| [03:25:09] | Kazan: | how are you starting backend? |
| [03:25:21] | Slyboots: | Its a init task |
| [03:25:29] | Kazan: | kk standby |
| [03:26:01] | Slyboots: | Right, it.. looks like it shoudl be logging |
| [03:26:23] | Slyboots: | ARGS="--daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile... " |
| [03:26:32] | Kazan: | and the backend log is empty? |
| [03:26:44] | Kazan: | logrotate/ |
| [03:26:48] | Kazan: | -/ +? |
| [03:26:49] | Slyboots: | Yup, Two files, mythbackend.log, and mythbackend.log.1 |
| [03:27:07] | Slyboots: | But the second logfile is *old* |
| [03:27:10] | Slyboots: | Over a month |
| [03:27:10] | Kazan: | search the rotated out one for transcode failures |
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| [03:27:23] | Slyboots: | Its a month old |
| [03:27:33] | Slyboots: | It just stopsdead on the 2nd of August |
| [03:27:52] | Kazan: | weird |
| [03:27:58] | Kazan: | access problem maybe |
| [03:28:06] | Slyboots: | hmm |
| [03:28:15] | Slyboots: | What the? |
| [03:28:20] | drmitch: | jhulst: then how do i change to that input in mythfrontend? |
| [03:28:22] | Slyboots: | proftpd/mythtv |
| [03:28:25] | Slyboots: | ... Wha?!?! |
| [03:29:31] | Slyboots: | Sureal.. |
| [03:30:24] | Kazan: | ? |
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| [03:31:40] | kieran491: | dose mythtv use VDR? |
| [03:31:53] | jhulst: | drmitch: It looks like C on the keyboard should do it, http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html |
| [03:32:07] | Slyboots: | The logging folder ownership was wrong |
| [03:32:18] | Slyboots: | proftpd took ownership.. for some.. uh.. sureal reason |
| [03:34:51] | Slyboots: | Right, Okay lets see whhy its crashing |
| [03:35:18] | Slyboots: | [mpegts @ 0xb75cdad0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 ! |
| [03:35:38] | Slyboots: | Throw sup some infomation about edits I made to the the recording (Just cuts for adverts and the ilk..|) |
| [03:35:47] | Slyboots: | 2007-09–10 04:34:39.705 No video information found! |
| [03:39:13] | kieran491: | i cant seem to get a lock on singanl or a singal in fact when trying to watch TV. But i get a signal when i try in windows... i am using DVB card any ideas why this is happening? |
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| [03:46:48] | Yahooadam: | drivers arent installed properly ? |
| [03:47:46] | kieran491: | well i dont know i think they are |
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| [03:47:56] | kieran491: | the card apears in the /dev/dvb folder |
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| [03:48:34] | Yahooadam: | what card is it ? |
| [03:49:00] | duri: | what is the average cost for a mythtv capable system ? |
| [03:49:11] | kieran491: | it is a |
| [03:49:21] | kieran491: | TwinhanDTV Mini Ter |
| [03:49:23] | Yahooadam: | duri, anywhere between £10 to £2000 |
| [03:49:52] | duri: | Yahooadam: ok. are there web sites with recommended configs/reviews on hw ? |
| [03:50:11] | Yahooadam: | i dont know of any |
| [03:50:18] | Yahooadam: | what do you want the box to do though ? |
| [03:50:23] | Yahooadam: | Standard def, high def ? |
| [03:50:25] | Yahooadam: | how many tuners |
| [03:50:47] | Yahooadam: | a mythtv capable system is probably like a pentium 2 |
| [03:51:01] | Yahooadam: | but for anything decent you probably want somthing a bit faster |
| [03:51:02] | ** Slyboots has a little mini shuttle with 1 PCI card and a 2ghz CPU ** | |
| [03:51:06] | Slyboots: | Which does everything :) |
| [03:51:18] | Slyboots: | Acts as a torrent/newsgroup box as well |
| [03:51:49] | Slyboots: | Although I would like a bigger box to fit my soundcard in, and have it act as a mini-amp as well (for 5.1 sound) |
| [03:51:50] | duri: | I am in US. I am interested in getting italian tv. std def. no high-def. I would like to drop a mythtv at the home of a friend in italy and record/spool shows in his mythtv system. then I would like to pick up some shows from my mythtv and watch them at my hone |
| [03:52:21] | Yahooadam: | oook now were getting somewhere ;) |
| [03:52:22] | Slyboots: | Actuly, that brings up a.. *mini* issue I have |
| [03:52:50] | Yahooadam: | well for the backend, somthing like a athlon 1800+ or somthing |
| [03:52:57] | Slyboots: | If Im watching a video (espicaly in mplayer) It does not cover the entire screen, there is a border on the left hand side (only a few pixels wide) of the OSD beneath |
| [03:52:59] | Yahooadam: | will work pretty well |
| [03:53:15] | Slyboots: | In fairness its *tiny* but if Im watching a film thats dark, it sticks out like a sore thumb |
| [03:53:24] | Yahooadam: | for the frontend, mabye somthing a bit faster |
| [03:53:30] | Slyboots: | And because I know its there, it bugs the hell out of me :P |
| [03:53:39] | duri: | is the functionality for my use case already there ? |
| [03:53:59] | Yahooadam: | yeah, you have a backend in itally, recording the tv |
| [03:54:09] | Yahooadam: | then you connect a frontend in your home in america |
| [03:54:21] | Yahooadam: | your main problem will be the internet, cos i doubt you can stream it over |
| [03:54:32] | Yahooadam: | so you would have to copy the files from his backend, to your computer |
| [03:54:49] | duri: | ok but if instead of streming I spool the shows locally to my box then I should be fine, right ? |
| [03:54:59] | Yahooadam: | yeah |
| [03:55:00] | Slyboots: | You could set it to auto-transcode (Convert it so its a smaller file) each show, then leave a FTP connection with that directory shared |
| [03:55:11] | Slyboots: | then you could just download them to your home PC and view em |
| [03:55:15] | Yahooadam: | i think your best bet would be to sync the files to your computer |
| [03:55:24] | Yahooadam: | yeah :) |
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| [03:56:28] | Yahooadam: | you might do better to have the sql database on your PC too |
| [03:56:32] | Yahooadam: | then sync them aswell |
| [03:56:44] | Yahooadam: | as mysql over the internet to itally could make your box rather slow |
| [03:58:23] | duri: | would this be too weak of a box ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110056 |
| [03:59:07] | duri: | for the collector box. the one recording the shows |
| [03:59:07] | Yahooadam: | probably |
| [03:59:12] | Yahooadam: | hmm |
| [03:59:19] | Yahooadam: | id probably go with somthing a bit faster |
| [03:59:26] | Slyboots: | What the hell? |
| [03:59:30] | Yahooadam: | how many programs will you record at the same time ? |
| [03:59:35] | Slyboots: | \Why is my recording list filled with shows I did *not* record |
| [03:59:41] | Slyboots: | And they are all 0.00gb |
| [04:01:00] | Yahooadam: | gnite all |
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| [04:01:24] | duri: | found a customer review on the box ... Pros: Low power consumption, very quiet, reasonably small form factor. I put 1Gb Ram, 250 Gb SATA, and a DVD combo drive, along with a Hauppauge PVR-350, and installed KnoppMyth. Works really well, provided you use the encoder AND the decoder (have to dump output to a tv). Won't play dvd's at all due to weak cpu, but makes a great dvr. |
| [04:02:00] | cesman: | nice |
| [04:02:28] | duri: | how many programs ? not more than one at the same time |
| [04:02:36] | Slyboots: | About 8 |
| [04:02:41] | Slyboots: | Some are labled "Unknown" |
| [04:02:47] | Slyboots: | They look like segments of liveTV |
| [04:04:18] | duri: | so where does one go to read about others' configs ? is there any web site covering mythtv that is better than others ? |
| [04:04:25] | Slyboots: | I just did a transcode job on a show and they all just started popping up |
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| [04:09:07] | H00chster: | is there a way to prioritize different tuners for usage? I have an HD tuner I don't want to be called upon unless the other tuners aren't in use? |
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| [04:20:04] | MavT: | does naybody know if NASA TV is available in a stream compatible with IPTV ? |
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| [04:44:20] | doctormo: | I have installed mythtv-backend frontend, yet even with the back end running; mythtv front end can not see it; have any of you lost sleep over this same issue? |
| [04:45:01] | keith4: | sure |
| [04:45:09] | keith4: | frontend and backend on the same box? |
| [04:45:59] | doctormo: | yes |
| [04:46:05] | Tanthrix: | doctormo: When you whine and bitch like a little child you're not getting any help from me. |
| [04:46:15] | doctormo: | Tan |
| [04:46:42] | doctormo: | Couldn't care less, I'm berating because you deserve it |
| [04:46:57] | keith4: | doctormo, what does the console output when you try to connect the frontend? |
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| [04:48:16] | kieran491: | hi again |
| [04:49:17] | kieran491: | i have been doing a lot of work to figure out if my card was not working and as far as i can tell my tv card is work. it can scan for channels but i cant seem to get mythtv to watch tv any ideas why this is happening? |
| [04:49:48] | Tanthrix: | kieran491: Which card, and have you confirmed that it is actually working outside of myth with mplayer or another program? |
| [04:49:50] | keith4: | what's the log say? |
| [04:50:25] | kieran491: | i was running i dvbscan |
| [04:50:48] | doctormo: | keith4: Connecting to backend server 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5), Conection timed out, You should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address. |
| [04:51:10] | kieran491: | how can i use mplayer to see if it working? |
| [04:51:50] | Tanthrix: | kieran491: That depends on the card. |
| [04:52:23] | kieran491: | ohh? |
| [04:52:59] | Tanthrix: | kieran491: Unfortunately I'm not too experienced with dvb cards – I was thinking you had a PVR-150 or something. I had a hell of a time setting up my A180 |
| [04:53:18] | kieran491: | i have been using this documenation to set up the card "http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TwinHan . . . _DVB-T" |
| [04:58:10] | Rongo: | Is there a way to change the commercial-skip rules on a per-show basis? IE: Simpsons, and other animated shows are almost always correct, so skip automagically.. other shows should sholdnt.. |
| [05:04:19] | kieran491: | to use mplayer to test a device all you have to do is "mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0" ? |
| [05:07:06] | tank-man: | did mplayer tell you to do that? |
| [05:07:42] | kieran491: | no a this site did "http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Testing . . . device" |
| [05:08:45] | tank-man: | so does it work? |
| [05:09:33] | kieran491: | nop |
| [05:11:14] | kieran491: | "mplayer: could not connect to socket" "mplayer: no such file or directory" |
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| [05:13:37] | kieran491: | but when i try "dvbstream -f 219500000 0 0 -o > test.mpeg" http://pastebin.ca/689651 i get an error saying the device is bussy that may be because tzap is running in the back ground but whats what the site says to do so i am not sure what i am ment to do... |
| [05:23:41] | kieran491: | My card works :D |
| [05:23:47] | kieran491: | it jsut dose'nt in mythtv |
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| [05:33:31] | Fesha: | The IMDB info for MythTV is crashing MythTV, How do I fix this? |
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| [05:35:14] | Fesha: | Anyone Know? |
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| [05:39:20] | cesman: | certainly didn't wait long.... |
| [05:39:58] | kieran491: | ? |
| [05:40:01] | kieran491: | ohh |
| [05:41:44] | kieran491: | why dose mythtv leach it self onto the frontend of your DVB card? |
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| [05:50:36] | MilkBoy: | kieran491: you got the "open on demand" setting turned off? |
| [05:51:43] | kieran491: | i have it tunned off now yes |
| [05:52:00] | kieran491: | but i cant seem to view any video of watch tv |
| [05:52:34] | MilkBoy: | hmm... if its on, the card should only be opened when needed, and leave it free for other programs to use. if it's off, mythtv is the only app that can access it |
| [05:56:27] | cesman: | that settings depends on the kernel one is running |
| [06:03:11] | kieran491: | i have noticed it frees uop the card |
| [06:04:06] | kieran491: | i have theses in my adapter0 folder demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0 but mythtv only uses frontend0 |
| [06:06:00] | kieran491: | is that why i cant view the tv? |
| [06:07:28] | kieran491: | when i got my tv to work i had to do all this stuff to get it to work tzap then copy the /dev/dvb/adaptor0/dvr0 |
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| [06:11:31] | NoobSauce: | I get an error "myth could not connect to the database" when I try to install mythtv... what is the problem...? |
| [06:12:19] | kieran491: | have you created the database? |
| [06:13:18] | NoobSauce: | kieran491: yeah, I think so, (apt-get install mythtv-database right?) |
| [06:13:36] | kieran491: | i have no idea i did my from source |
| [06:13:50] | NoobSauce: | but I didn't get the screen that they show in this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . tend_Desktop |
| [06:14:42] | NoobSauce: | hmm... well I guess it's time to do a reinstall :) I don't think I did things in the right order |
| [06:14:57] | kieran491: | mk |
| [06:15:06] | kieran491: | NoobSauce you from Australia |
| [06:20:20] | kieran491: | I get theses errors when trying to view "Watch TV" "2007-09–10 16:19:40.207 TVRec(1) Error: No valid DTV info, ATSC maj(0) min(0), MPEG pn(-1)" "2007-09–10 16:19:40.208 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to setup digital signal monitoring " "2007-09–10 16:19:40.208 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to setup signal monitor" |
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| [06:22:46] | bsdfox_: | hey guys, I've got a pvr-500 and I'm recording somewhat low quality video.. I don't need an hour episode to be 2gb. I've tried going back and turning transcode on etc but it doesn't seem to do anything |
| [06:22:59] | bsdfox_: | anyone got advice, or some user job hints I can use? |
| [06:23:59] | bsdfox_: | also, earlier I had a frontend crash and it tied up a tuner until I restarted the backend.. anyone know how to manually disconnect a frontend watching livetv? |
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| [06:30:57] | Dagmar: | Tell it to use a lower quality recording profile |
| [06:31:02] | Dagmar: | This stuff is covered in the docs. |
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| [07:07:31] | bsdfox_: | hmm, can't find it |
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| [07:38:52] | t0ny-p40: | Some of my main menu changed language by its self.. What could do that? |
| [07:42:22] | Dagmar: | The French Gov't being even more annoying than usual? |
| [07:45:42] | t0ny-p40: | Guarda la Tv |
| [07:45:48] | t0ny-p40: | What is that? |
| [07:45:56] | t0ny-p40: | French or spanish? |
| [07:46:14] | anykey_: | spanish i think |
| [07:52:46] | t0ny-p40: | Ok, i stopped mysql and mythbackend and changed the language when it asked. But its still doing it... |
| [07:53:27] | fysa: | can someone here verify that https://www.donationdepot.com/wppro/enterprise/medica/ comes up? |
| [07:54:10] | t0ny-p40: | slow but its working |
| [07:56:21] | fysa: | thanks |
| [07:56:43] | fysa: | oh |
| [07:57:19] | fysa: | didn't realize the server was going crazy with par. |
| [07:57:40] | t0ny-p40: | par? |
| [07:59:01] | ServerSage: | par-tee? |
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| [08:34:03] | Tanthrix: | I really wish ipods supported FLAC... |
| [08:39:17] | ServerSage: | Tanthrix: I really wish people weren't sheep. :) |
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| [09:48:09] | rooaus: | Tanthrix: They do support FLAC, you just need to install Rockbox ;) |
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| [09:53:53] | directhex|work: | rooaus, sage advice in general |
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| [11:38:43] | flithm: | hey everyone... if I'm running a 0.21 pre release (pre14251) is its schedules direct support up to par with 20.2? |
| [11:39:29] | laga: | yep |
| [11:39:42] | laga: | at least there shouldn't be any big differences |
| [11:39:45] | laga: | oh |
| [11:39:50] | laga: | 14251 is old |
| [11:40:07] | laga: | if you're running trunk, you should follow the mythtv-commits mailing list closely. |
| [11:41:07] | flithm: | Actually... I'm a gentoo user and I accidentally had mythtv unmasked, so it installed a prerelease, and I didn't have a backup of the database, so I'm worried that downgrading is a bad idea (is this true)? I could upgrade to pre14450 also? |
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| [11:42:54] | laga: | downgrading is a bad idea without having a old DB backup |
| [11:43:29] | laga: | flithm: go to svn.mythtv.org to find out out Sd support |
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| [11:45:36] | flithm: | laga: I'm not exactly sure what I should be looking for but all the tickets that match "schedules direct" appear to come prior to 14450 |
| [11:45:47] | flithm: | which means 14450 should be good yah? |
| [11:46:20] | laga: | probably |
| [11:47:24] | laga: | 14450 is fairly recent |
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| [11:48:44] | flithm: | alright I'm going for for |
| [11:48:46] | flithm: | it |
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| [12:46:53] | jblack: | Is there any better music in the world than the Dead Milkmen? |
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| [13:02:41] | georgek: | mornin fellas |
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| [13:07:47] | gbee: | anyone know if the PVR-150 can do composite through it's s-video socket? |
| [13:13:09] | pat_: | anybody in .au using iceguide data with 0.20-fixes? |
| [13:19:15] | rooaus: | pat_: I am using Ice with trunk r14212, what's the prob? |
| [13:19:37] | pat_: | mythfilldatabase stopped working with fixes in one of the recent 0.20 fixes builds |
| [13:20:06] | pat_: | and I had to upgrade my tv_grab_au script to version 3 (of iceguides grabbers) |
| [13:20:12] | pat_: | and then that doesn't work |
| [13:20:51] | pat_: | and I just went to configure the channels and all again, and I don't have an option to use xmltv to grab the program info in mythtv-setup any more |
| [13:21:04] | rooaus: | The new tv_find_grabbers stuff was backported a while back, run tv_find_grabbers from the command line a see it finds. |
| [13:21:51] | pat_: | tv_find_grabbers isn't installed on my system |
| [13:22:32] | rooaus: | An old version of the oztivo/ice grabber didn't comply with the new xmltv requirement. |
| [13:22:58] | pat_: | yeah, but the new version doesn't work with the current code in 0.20-fixes |
| [13:23:29] | pat_: | I just compiled 14474 and it doesn't work |
| [13:24:20] | pat_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/relea . . . p;format=rss |
| [13:24:38] | pat_: | do you think I should go back to 14379 before the silliness began? |
| [13:24:44] | pat_: | or which version? |
| [13:27:44] | Dagmar: | You can't use 0.20.2 why? |
| [13:28:06] | pat_: | 0.20-fixes 14474? |
| [13:28:35] | pat_: | isn't 0.20.2 just a snapshot of the stable tree a couple of weeks ago? |
| [13:28:56] | pat_: | shouldn't the 0.20-fixes latest version have more bugfixes applied? |
| [13:29:20] | Dagmar: | Maybe so, maybe not. |
| [13:29:22] | rooaus: | I don't think a recent -fixes will work properly without tv_find_grabbers installed. |
| [13:29:34] | Dagmar: | If you want something that's *supposed to work*, try 0.20.2 |
| [13:29:40] | laga: | hum |
| [13:29:55] | laga: | that'd suck if you couldn't specify a grabber manually anymore |
| [13:30:08] | Dagmar: | All this asking about which specific day of a SVN pull you should use isn't going to get you very far |
| [13:30:26] | Dagmar: | Not too many people are paying *that* close attention to it beyond what specific version they're using right now |
| [13:32:20] | rooaus: | laga: As far as I know you can't manually force a grabber (except for sql jujitsu), at least when it was first added to trunk that was the case (a long time ago now). |
| [13:36:48] | gbee: | pat_: when you say it doesn't work, could you be more specific? |
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| [13:37:33] | sebrock: | Need some help with a frontend connect to backend |
| [13:37:44] | gbee: | laga: you never could specify a grabber manually, they were always hardcoded before tv_find_grabbers |
| [13:38:08] | laga: | gbee: right, but you could create symlink |
| [13:38:34] | rooaus: | pat_: Which grabber are you using, is it downloaded from IceTV website? I contacted them when trunk was updated warning them of the new requirement and they said they wouldn't fix it as they didn't follow the bleeding edge. |
| [13:39:04] | gbee: | well you can still do that, unless the grabber isn't compatible with the current xmltv spec in which case it still won't work |
| [13:39:07] | sebrock: | please have a look: http://www.pastebin.ca/690197 |
| [13:39:08] | pat_: | rooaus, I'm using the grabber from the icetv site |
| [13:39:24] | pat_: | anyway, I'll just go back to an old version |
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| [13:39:31] | gbee: | with tv_find_grabbers installed and a compatible grabber it will be automatically discovered |
| [13:40:00] | pat_: | that may be easier if it'll work with their grabber |
| [13:40:50] | pat_: | is tv_find_grabber part of xmltv? |
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| [13:41:18] | sebrock: | any ideas? |
| [13:41:31] | sebrock: | can't connect to backend it seems |
| [13:41:33] | gbee: | pat_: just has to support some basic commands/requirements, nothing that requires much work from the grabber author e.g. --description, --capabilities etc |
| [13:41:41] | gbee: | pat_: yes |
| [13:41:58] | gbee: | sebrock: restart mysqld? |
| [13:42:21] | sebrock: | Im trying to connect from a different machine |
| [13:42:23] | rooaus: | pat_: I use the tv_grab_au_reg grabber, it can do IceTV and the OzTivo and William patched it almost immediately for the changes in trunk when the happened. |
| [13:42:48] | pat_: | the icetv grabber supports --description and --capabilities |
| [13:43:02] | pat_: | so all I need is the tv_find_grabbers script then |
| [13:43:30] | sebrock: | gbee, this is the backend: http://www.pastebin.ca/690203 |
| [13:43:34] | sebrock: | looks like all is good |
| [13:43:47] | sebrock: | its the frontend that will not start |
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| [13:44:40] | gbee: | sebrock: did it work before? have you done any system updates? is skip_networking enabled in the mysqld config? |
| [13:45:08] | sebrock: | Well, It worked from another linux frontend, this is on os X |
| [13:45:22] | sebrock: | no updates to backend since |
| [13:46:10] | gbee: | pat_: run it with --capabilities and tell us what it says, I'm guessing that it should be fine and that all you need to do is install the xmltv package |
| [13:47:02] | pat_: | [mutton:~$] tv_grab_au --capabilities |
| [13:47:02] | pat_: | baseline |
| [13:47:02] | pat_: | manualconfig |
| [13:47:08] | pat_: | that's it |
| [13:47:11] | gbee: | sebrock: what hosts did you allow in the mysql permissions? |
| [13:47:25] | gbee: | pat_: that should work just fine then |
| [13:47:35] | sebrock: | gbee, I dont remember exactly, where can I see this? |
| [13:48:32] | sebrock: | seems I dont have permissions right? |
| [13:48:34] | gbee: | sebrock: depends on how comfortable with the mysql command line, or whether you have phpmyadmin/webmin installed to make things easier |
| [13:48:43] | sebrock: | I got webmin installed |
| [13:49:09] | rooaus: | pat_: I just downloaded it from the website and tested it for you, tv_find_grabbers lists it so it seems Ice have updated it. |
| [13:49:34] | gbee: | sebrock: ok, if the mysql module is installed you should be able to check what permissions/hosts/users have access to the mythconverg database from webmin |
| [13:49:53] | sebrock: | I'll have alook |
| [13:50:00] | sebrock: | was a time since I installed everything |
| [13:50:39] | sebrock: | gbee Ok, Im looking at it now, what should I look for? |
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| [13:53:26] | sebrock: | gbee, says database: mythconverg, user: mythtv and host:any |
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| [13:57:11] | gbee: | sebrock: ok, obviously that isn't the problem then |
| [13:57:19] | gbee: | I'm out of ideas |
| [13:57:47] | gbee: | guess you've got the right password ... |
| [13:58:17] | sebrock: | yeah... |
| [13:59:10] | sebrock: | looking at my pastes, do I even have a contact with the backend? |
| [14:00:59] | rooaus: | sebrock: If you are trying to connect from a different frontend check what ip mysqld is binding to, it may not be 0.0.0.0 but 127.0.0.1. |
| [14:01:47] | sebrock: | rooaus, I do think that my backend might have changed the internal IP from 192.168.0.4 to 192.168.0.3 |
| [14:01:56] | sebrock: | where can I check this rooaus? |
| [14:02:36] | keith4_: | my.cnf |
| [14:03:01] | rooaus: | are, from /etc/mysql/my.cnf and look for "bind-address" |
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| [14:03:27] | Dagmar: | Notably, look for "skip-networking" |
| [14:03:47] | sebrock: | simply says # bind-adress 127.0.0.1 |
| [14:03:51] | sebrock: | so uncommented |
| [14:04:16] | Dagmar: | You can verify that's what's going on with `netstat -tunap | grep mysql` as root |
| [14:04:44] | rooaus: | The comment probably is the default, uncomment and change to 0.0.0.0 (all interfaces) for testing. |
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| [14:06:35] | sebrock: | restart of mysql needed? |
| [14:06:40] | rooaus: | yeah |
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| [14:07:41] | Dagmar: | You don't need to specify 0.0.0.0, and generally just in case it somehow DOES manage to bind to that it's probably a bad idea to do so |
| [14:08:01] | sebrock: | no still no contact with db |
| [14:08:16] | Dagmar: | sberock: What does `netstat -tunap | grep mysql` reveal? |
| [14:08:57] | georgek: | Dagmar, how mysql process is binding to networking stuff |
| [14:09:45] | Dagmar: | Don't be a twit |
| [14:09:48] | sebrock: | Dagmar, bash: tcp: command not found |
| [14:10:12] | pat_: | thanks for the help, tv_find_grabbers did the trick |
| [14:10:17] | sebrock: | on backend right |
| [14:10:19] | Dagmar: | sebrock: What?!? |
| [14:10:27] | sebrock: | frontend exits on: 2007-09–10 16:07:33.299 Failed to init MythContext, exiting. |
| [14:10:30] | pat_: | (now after all of that, my tuners are numbered 15–19 |
| [14:10:39] | Dagmar: | Yeah, run it on the backend, but what did you actually just type in? |
| [14:10:45] | Dagmar: | Don't type the backticks (``) |
| [14:10:47] | sebrock: | Dagmar copy paste |
| [14:10:55] | pat_: | is it possible to get them back to or 1–4? |
| [14:11:11] | sebrock: | oh lol the last ' was in it |
| [14:11:34] | sebrock: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5896/mysqld |
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| [14:11:56] | georgek: | doh, sorry Dagmar – twit mode off :) |
| [14:12:10] | Dagmar: | sebrock: Okay, so it *should* be able to catch connections coming from other hsots. |
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| [14:12:21] | Dagmar: | sebrock: So telnet to port 3306 on your backend, from the frontend box |
| [14:12:30] | sebrock: | It worked from a linux frontend |
| [14:12:36] | sebrock: | this is the OS X frontend |
| [14:12:38] | Dagmar: | If it actually connects, you can forget worrying over that part |
| [14:12:46] | keith4_: | oh jeez |
| [14:12:52] | keith4_: | the truth comes out |
| [14:12:54] | Dagmar: | sebrock: They need to be the exact same versions of source |
| [14:13:07] | keith4_: | isn't there a binary build for OS X? |
| [14:13:08] | Dagmar: | If you're using different versions of frontends and backends, it's not likely to work |
| [14:13:21] | sebrock: | yeah it connects |
| [14:13:50] | sebrock: | it's the same version 0.20 |
| [14:13:59] | Dagmar: | georgek: Next time you should make sure you know what you're talking about before you go telling people to set things like that in their config files |
| [14:14:00] | sebrock: | but then the OSX comes with "fixed" |
| [14:14:24] | georgek: | Dagmar, sorry? I think you are confusing the situation. |
| [14:14:44] | Dagmar: | georgek: Then your grasp of English sucks. |
| [14:15:45] | sebrock: | Dagmar, how about all these "fixes", the initial verison is the same: 0.20 |
| [14:15:50] | Dagmar: | sebrock: You *might* need to eyeball both the mysql.txt file setting on the frontends, as well as what's been stuffed into the DB for them in the backend |
| [14:16:25] | Dagmar: | sebrock: Considering the number of times I've seen it chatter on about schema upgrades after pulling a newer version of 0.20-fixes, I would not for a second expect different SVN pulls to work together |
| [14:16:37] | keith4_: | georgek: i can't figure out what he's talking about either, don't feel bad |
| [14:16:47] | georgek: | Dagmar, my mistake was not back reading when I saw your asking what a netstat command releaved. I should have backread and found out that you were wiating on a response. My appologies. |
| [14:17:06] | Dagmar: | There's an outside possibility based on what you said a moment ago about the IP address changing that the frontend *is* connecting to the database, grabbing the settings, and those settings are telling it to look at the old IP |
| [14:17:31] | keith4_: | georgek: i think.... he thought you suggested telling him to bind mysql to 0.0.0.0 ? |
| [14:17:40] | ** keith4_ shrugs ** | |
| [14:17:59] | Dagmar: | Nah that was someone else suggesting that, but I did get mixed up on that afterwards. ;) |
| [14:18:14] | Dagmar: | At the time when I jumped in to staunch the spread of insanity I was clear who was saying what |
| [14:18:38] | sebrock: | I dont know where to start now :D |
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| [14:18:49] | Dagmar: | sebrock: But if it's your OSX frontend failing to connect, I'd say it's probably a versioning issue |
| [14:18:56] | sebrock: | hm... |
| [14:19:17] | sebrock: | backend is the 0.20 in Ubuntu resp |
| [14:19:22] | keith4_: | Dagmar: doesn't it usually spout "VERSION MISMATCH" in the terminal when that's the case? |
| [14:19:47] | keith4_: | ( sebrock, you are running it in a terminal, to see the error output, right? ) |
| [14:19:55] | sebrock: | yeah |
| [14:20:02] | Dagmar: | keith4: Yes it does *thank god* |
| [14:20:21] | sebrock: | http://www.pastebin.ca/690197 |
| [14:20:29] | sebrock: | that is my general output on frontend |
| [14:20:35] | Dagmar: | Whoa dude |
| [14:20:39] | ** keith4_ sighs ** | |
| [14:20:40] | Dagmar: | Which machine? |
| [14:20:43] | sebrock: | mac |
| [14:20:48] | Dagmar: | "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." |
| [14:20:52] | keith4_: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.0.142' (using password: YES) |
| [14:21:00] | sebrock: | that ip is the mac ip |
| [14:21:03] | Dagmar: | 99.9999% of the time (more often than Ivory Soap is white) there's ONE cause for that |
| [14:21:13] | sebrock: | shoot? |
| [14:21:14] | Dagmar: | You don't have the QT mysql plugin installed. |
| [14:21:25] | Dagmar: | It's in the FAQ even |
| [14:21:26] | sebrock: | wait? I never read about this in the wiki? |
| [14:21:34] | sebrock: | this is a pre-compiled frontend |
| [14:21:43] | keith4_: | Dagmar: don't you think the access denied error is significant? |
| [14:21:45] | Dagmar: | Well, it's missing the mysql library |
| [14:22:01] | Dagmar: | keith4: If it can't talk to the database, then it's not going to get acces is it? |
| [14:22:20] | keith4_: | it is talking, though |
| [14:22:29] | keith4_: | because that access denied message is *from* the database |
| [14:22:30] | Dagmar: | No, I think maybe you're ignoring what "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." means |
| [14:22:40] | Dagmar: | Prove it |
| [14:22:45] | keith4_: | nah, i get that |
| [14:22:55] | Dagmar: | "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.0.142' (using password: YES)" <--- doesn't really tell us anything useful |
| [14:23:11] | keith4_: | that's coming from mysqld |
| [14:23:19] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [14:23:21] | sebrock: | so it is communicating? |
| [14:23:21] | georgek: | shouldn't there be a no driver error found message earlier in the log if it was missing the qt mysql support? |
| [14:23:24] | Dagmar: | THat's coming from the frontned |
| [14:23:31] | keith4_: | really? |
| [14:23:45] | sebrock: | ok so no communication? |
| [14:23:52] | Dagmar: | "<sebrock> that is my general output on frontend" |
| [14:24:05] | sebrock: | but how did I miss this? there was nothing in wiki about this? |
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| [14:24:05] | keith4_: | is there anything in the mysql log on the backend? |
| [14:24:15] | Dagmar: | We were seeing this a LOT out of Ubuntu people becuase they were prone to installing Qt and leaving out the Mysql plugin for it |
| [14:24:15] | sebrock: | I just downloaded the pre-compiled frontend |
| [14:24:24] | Dagmar: | sebrock: There's one more piece missing from it |
| [14:24:38] | sebrock: | from wiki? |
| [14:24:50] | Dagmar: | Dunno. I don't have a mac. |
| [14:24:59] | Dagmar: | I just know I've seen that error literally dozens of times |
| [14:25:14] | Dagmar: | That's Qt complaining that it could not instantate a connection through the mysql driver |
| [14:25:14] | keith4_: | sebrock: did you pastebin your my.cnf anywhere? i might have joined the party late |
| [14:25:35] | keith4_: | nevermind |
| [14:25:37] | keith4_: | i scrolled up |
| [14:25:38] | sebrock: | ok... Im very confused. To me it looks like a lot of people are running the frontend on mac without any problemas |
| [14:25:55] | keith4_: | sebrock: i've used the mac frontend |
| [14:26:04] | keith4_: | you don't need any QT crap |
| [14:26:16] | keith4_: | the binary installer handles everything |
| [14:26:23] | Dagmar: | hahaha |
| [14:26:58] | sebrock: | uh |
| [14:27:30] | sebrock: | so... |
| [14:27:45] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X#Qt |
| [14:28:11] | Dagmar: | Lemme get the exact filename |
| [14:28:12] | sebrock: | who should I trust :D |
| [14:28:38] | sebrock: | keith4_ so the frontend-package is enough? |
| [14:28:41] | Dagmar: | I'm not so sure about the path, but use find to dig for "libqsqlmysql*", which will hopefully be libqsqlmysql.so |
| [14:28:44] | Dagmar: | It's missing |
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| [14:29:15] | sebrock: | I'm lost |
| [14:29:48] | Dagmar: | I am *highly* skeptical that someone might have hacked up Qt to no longer need that module just for the OSX build, and I wouldn't be the least suprised to find out that the installer is now missing a piece |
| [14:30:08] | keith4_: | Dagmar: wouldn't he only need that if he were compiling? |
| [14:30:18] | Dagmar: | I'd be really rich if I had a nickel for each time a developer left something out of a package because they've been just assuming everyone else had it |
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| [14:30:35] | sebrock: | But, a lot of people run it just by downloading the package |
| [14:30:36] | Dagmar: | keith4: Unless that Qt was compiled entirely statically, no. The sqldriver module is it's own shared lib |
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| [14:31:25] | keith4_: | i wish i were home so i could prove you wrong |
| [14:31:28] | keith4_: | :-) |
| [14:31:39] | keith4_: | they frown on me running myth in the office, though |
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| [14:32:19] | rooaus: | sebrock: On a linux box the qtmysql driver is a runtime dependency, it is not needed for compilation. |
| [14:33:09] | Dagmar: | I'll pound the nail in further... From libs/libmyth/mythcontext.cpp |
| [14:33:31] | Dagmar: | QString MythContext::DBErrorMessage(const QSqlError& err) { if (!err.type()) return "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..."; |
| [14:33:33] | georgek: | sebrock, I don't think your pastebin captured the first part of the log. |
| [14:33:44] | nordle: | Hello, can anyone suggest a way round this? Alt+E is command for "Play DVD". I'd like to be able to play a dvd using either Internal or mplayer. Before, I simply set the mplayer command attached to irexec .lirc file. But since upgrading mythtv, the remote still opperates mythtv as well as mplayer (the focus does not seem to leave myth). |
| [14:34:35] | Dagmar: | Feel free to dig in and find out when err.type will come back like that unless the lib is just missing |
| [14:34:59] | sebrock: | have a look here: http://www.pastebin.ca/690269 |
| [14:35:32] | Dagmar: | sebrock: So do you have a mysql client on the OSX machine? |
| [14:35:41] | sebrock: | no |
| [14:35:49] | nordle: | Also, I've set the mplayer command to automagically play the longest track on a DVD, which cuts out all the crap at the start of movies. But sometimes its nice to have the menu a-la Internal / xine, because then you can view special features and on some discs, such as TV shows, you cant simply say "play the longest track" as you'd never see half the media. |
| [14:36:04] | Dagmar: | Hmmm... It could be a problem trying to manually test it then |
| [14:36:17] | nordle: | Hence the reason for needing to assign 2 Play DVD buttons seperately. |
| [14:36:18] | Dagmar: | You can always poke at the server and tell it to cough up the access lists |
| [14:36:39] | keith4_: | doesn't OS X come with a mysql client? |
| [14:36:42] | sebrock: | Dagmar, access list to mysql on server? |
| [14:36:46] | Dagmar: | sebrock: Yes |
| [14:36:53] | sebrock: | well I got webmin installed for that |
| [14:37:07] | Dagmar: | If you want to ignore the error that shouldn't be, I'll humor that |
| [14:37:26] | sebrock: | sorry maybe I didnt understand |
| [14:37:39] | Dagmar: | Mysql doesn't exactly "do" access controls based on username and password alone |
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| [14:38:12] | keith4_: | he verified that it's accepting connections from the mac? |
| [14:38:14] | keith4_: | using telnet? |
| [14:38:19] | sebrock: | yes |
| [14:38:21] | sebrock: | it does |
| [14:38:23] | keith4_: | ok |
| [14:38:30] | Chase: | I've been looking through the channels table of my database and wondering how mythtv determines which tuner to use for a given channel |
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| [14:38:36] | Chase: | I have a dvb card and an ivtv card |
| [14:38:43] | Chase: | and mythtv tries to use the ivtv card on channel #'s < 100 |
| [14:38:45] | keith4_: | and you're *sure* that the password is the same as the linux front-end that works? |
| [14:38:48] | Chase: | and dvb elsewhere |
| [14:38:54] | Dagmar: | Jeesus |
| [14:38:56] | Chase: | which doesn't make much sense since some dvb channels are below 100 |
| [14:38:57] | Dagmar: | Don't read libs/libmyth/mythdbcon.cpp. |
| [14:39:00] | Dagmar: | You won't be happy |
| [14:39:02] | sebrock: | 5.0.38-Ubuntu_0ubuntu1-log7}3"RV9W,/"Y},_zfs.({Connection closed by foreign host. |
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| [14:39:41] | sebrock: | keith4_ can I manually change it? |
| [14:41:10] | keith4_: | ...? |
| [14:42:11] | sebrock: | password |
| [14:42:14] | sebrock: | where is it stored |
| [14:42:27] | keith4_: | after all of those errors, do you get the mythtv frontend setup window? |
| [14:42:39] | keith4_: | where it asks you to choose a language, and specify where the backend is, etc? |
| [14:42:40] | sebrock: | yes I do |
| [14:42:55] | keith4_: | you can put the username and password in there |
| [14:42:56] | sebrock: | I get the the wake-on-lan part |
| [14:43:06] | sebrock: | after that it exits |
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| [14:43:21] | sebrock: | yeah I know, but maybe I set it to something stupid on server side I dont remember |
| [14:43:54] | janneg: | Chase: channels and cards are linked with the sourceid and cardinput table |
| [14:44:02] | rooaus: | This is the part of the mythfrontend log when libqt3-mt-mysql (the Qt mysqlk runtime) is removed from my system http://www.pastebin.ca/690280. |
| [14:44:08] | keith4_: | check mysql.txt on the backend |
| [14:45:46] | keith4_: | rooaus: see how yours says "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" |
| [14:45:54] | keith4_: | his says "QMYSQL3: Unable to connect" |
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| [14:46:22] | keith4_: | it's trying to connect |
| [14:46:26] | keith4_: | it has the damn driver |
| [14:46:56] | Chase: | janneg: that's what I assumed, but that's not what mythtv does |
| [14:47:26] | Chase: | even though channel 80 and 92 and others have the dvb card as sourceid, it tries to use ivtv |
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| [14:48:28] | Chase: | while dvb channels with channum in the 700's work just fine |
| [14:48:39] | rooaus: | keith4_: I am running trunk, probably a different version of qt and a different platform. But anyway I will leave it to you then. |
| [14:49:26] | keith4_: | sebrock: verify the password? |
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| [14:49:33] | keith4_: | (it's set to some random crap by default, isn't it?) |
| [14:50:09] | sebrock: | w8 a sec |
| [14:50:33] | rooaus: | sebrock: Don't leave the 0.0.0.0 bind address in the config, that really is only useful for testing. |
| [14:51:05] | Dagmar: | It's not useful for *anything* |
| [14:51:07] | janneg: | Chase: do you have duplicate channums? |
| [14:51:33] | Dagmar: | keith4: Probably the least helpful thing Ubuntu does, aside from failing to mention where they stash the password |
| [14:51:49] | rooaus: | Dagmar: Bind to all available interfaces? I suppose it isn't! |
| [14:51:51] | laga: | Dagmar: we do mention now where we put the password. |
| [14:51:55] | Chase: | aha! should fix that in a jiffy |
| [14:52:07] | Dagmar: | laga: Ah good |
| [14:52:13] | Dagmar: | rooaus: That's the default |
| [14:52:18] | keith4_: | i think debian does it too, fwiw |
| [14:52:28] | Dagmar: | rooaus: Once you take out the skip-networking token, it does that all by itself. |
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| [14:52:37] | Dagmar: | At any rate, putting 0.0.0.0 into an IP field is risky |
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| [14:53:01] | rooaus: | Check the docs... the default is 127.0.0.1 when the skip-networking was removed. |
| [14:53:11] | keith4_: | i was just going to point that out |
| [14:53:13] | laga: | Dagmar: FYI, it's also left to to the user wether they want to open up mysqld to the world or not.. in which case, it's using the first ip address shown by ifconfig (minus localhost, of course) |
| [14:53:25] | keith4_: | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| [14:53:25] | laga: | Dagmar: at least in recent/future builds |
| [14:53:25] | keith4_: | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| [14:53:25] | keith4_: | bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| [14:53:36] | rooaus: | probably distro dependent though. |
| [14:53:37] | Dagmar: | rooaus: You read wrong or it's wrong |
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| [14:54:00] | keith4_: | that's from etch |
| [14:54:52] | keith4_: | you are correct, though.. that if you comment out bind-address 127.0.0.1, it binds to a real interface |
| [14:55:29] | Dagmar: | http://www.pastebin.ca/690294 |
| [14:55:35] | Dagmar: | I checked before I even spoke |
| [14:56:01] | Dagmar: | For certain with 4.x the default is to bind to any/all interfaces, which deep in the C code is not _quite_ the same as 0.0.0.0 |
| [14:56:10] | Dagmar: | Using 0.0.0.0 explicitly will eventually burn someone |
| [14:56:22] | keith4_: | wow... there's a shock. it's different for different distros with different versions |
| [14:56:26] | keith4_: | who would have guessed? |
| [14:56:34] | rooaus: | lol |
| [14:57:29] | Dagmar: | I suggest you test it and see if it's doing what they say |
| [14:57:42] | Dagmar: | <-- Slackware user. By definition, doesn't trust documentation until it's been tested |
| [14:58:28] | Dagmar: | That's 4.1.22 I'm using, by the way |
| [15:00:01] | keith4_: | well, for the record, with 5.0.32 on debian etch... the default is as I pasted |
| [15:00:25] | Dagmar: | laga: In what version did they make that change to MySQLd? |
| [15:00:48] | Dagmar: | I need to add some checks to an init script |
| [15:00:50] | laga: | Dagmar: mysqld? i don't follow mysql development closely |
| [15:00:50] | Dagmar: | Knowing would be helpful |
| [15:00:53] | Dagmar: | Drek |
| [15:00:56] | Dagmar: | INto the changelogs I go then |
| [15:01:03] | keith4_: | christ, even etch has 5... and people call debian slow to update |
| [15:01:46] | XLV: | a question, i am thinking of buying Lifeview FlyDVB Trio PCI, now the situation here is that there arent no CAM protected channels for DVB-T, and only one using irdeto for DVB-S, whats the situation with CAMs, CIs etc in Linux? does that card allows for a CAM, or theres one compatible with it, or i need some other card? |
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| [15:02:18] | Dagmar: | keith4: So what |
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| [15:05:11] | keith4_: | so you're using 4.1.22 which was released... last november? |
| [15:05:14] | sebrock: | OK, I installed another version an all seems fine now... |
| [15:05:25] | keith4_: | and trying to tell people what's in their config files |
| [15:06:08] | keith4_: | especially since he's using ubuntu |
| [15:06:18] | keith4_: | which is a little too bleeding-edge for its own good, most of the time |
| [15:06:33] | keith4_: | sebrock: binary worked fine, right? |
| [15:08:36] | sebrock: | yup |
| [15:08:56] | keith4_: | good |
| [15:09:02] | sebrock: | so everythings good now |
| [15:10:41] | Dagmar: | keith4: Yes, since it's still maintained, there is no problem. |
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| [15:12:16] | Dagmar: | keith4: If you keep it up, I *DO* have a binary package script for 5.x that I'll build to verify that you're dead wrong about 5 behaving differently |
| [15:12:18] | sebrock: | btw, anyone using SFS here for remote mounts? |
| [15:12:45] | Dagmar: | The docs for 5.0 still indicate that it'll bind the same way 4.x did by default |
| [15:12:50] | Dagmar: | They might be wrong |
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| [15:15:14] | keith4_: | not necessarily |
| [15:15:22] | sebrock: | thanks for the help guys! |
| [15:15:25] | keith4_: | the debian package maintainer might have made that decision |
| [15:15:51] | keith4_: | they have a tendency to want to do things... "the debian way" |
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| [15:16:09] | keith4_: | (which i assume carries over into ubuntu?) |
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| [15:18:50] | Dagmar: | Probably |
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| [15:19:40] | Dagmar: | I'd consider the statement that mysql makes this decision on it's own to be suspect because there's a reason IP headers have a token for "any interface" and that's because automatically picking an interface and doing so correctly varies from being "problematic" to "downright impossible" |
| [15:20:19] | Dagmar: | Anyway, in particular, mysql tends to be a security problem so it pays to pay VERY close attention to what the defaults are |
| [15:20:49] | keith4_: | well, rooaus suggested that in 5, the default is to bind to localhost, and they took out skip-networking |
| [15:20:51] | ** keith4_ shrugs ** | |
| [15:21:04] | XLV: | anyone, about a dvb-s card that can take a cam if, for irdeto module? |
| [15:21:31] | keith4_: | i wonder if it binds to all intefaces, without a specific option of what to bind to |
| [15:21:55] | keith4_: | in fact, i think that's what it does |
| [15:22:20] | keith4_: | it doesn't "pick the right one", it picks all of them |
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| [15:23:16] | directhex|work: | XLV, technotrend s-1500 ? |
| [15:23:19] | Dagmar: | Yes, that's what I've been saying |
| [15:23:49] | Dagmar: | Ubuntu might have put something in their init script to make it bind only one interface by picking the first interface above 0 in ip show (whatever the syntax is on that) |
| [15:24:03] | keith4_: | ew |
| [15:24:05] | keith4_: | really? |
| [15:24:24] | keith4_: | hmm |
| [15:24:34] | Chase: | when I go from a dvb source channel to an ivtv source channel, mythtv seems to try to still use dvb, so it says I "should have received a signal lock by now" |
| [15:24:37] | Dagmar: | Dunno. It wouldn't make much sense to me and I went to a lot of trouble to make my binary packages do all the grunt work correctly on the first go |
| [15:25:01] | Chase: | I can exit out and ivtv still works fine, but dvb is hosed until I restart mythbackend |
| [15:25:05] | Dagmar: | I've not moved up to 5.x yet because I've got to go over the test harness first to be sure it's actually testing things |
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| [15:30:44] | georgek: | how frequently is the program table purged of old data? |
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| [15:35:48] | Dagmar: | georgek: That's actually a good question |
| [15:36:12] | Dagmar: | It might be getting kept forever, afaik |
| [15:36:40] | georgek: | I started with schedules direct on 9/2/07, and I still have that data. |
| [15:37:07] | georgek: | there shouldn't be any problem with removing that data I presume? |
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| [15:38:51] | keith4_: | shouldn't be |
| [15:38:54] | keith4_: | but why remove it? |
| [15:39:18] | georgek: | the tables will get large? |
| [15:39:54] | georgek: | help keep mysqld's foot print smaller? |
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| [15:40:25] | gbee: | a few hundred Kb |
| [15:40:28] | georgek: | my mythconverg database is ~218MB's. |
| [15:40:50] | gbee: | it will be deleted automatically ~7 days |
| [15:41:22] | gbee: | well it's seven days in trunk, can't say for 0.20 |
| [15:41:26] | georgek: | the program table itself is 60mb |
| [15:41:33] | georgek: | k, I'm running trunk – thanks gbee. |
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| [16:24:47] | Fro: | anyone here answer a question about digital cable from time warner? |
| [16:24:54] | Fro: | can* |
| [16:25:53] | mkrufky: | dont ask to ask, just ask |
| [16:27:01] | Fro: | well since I have to use a digital cable box from time warner, will I still be able to watch tv without using the digital box? |
| [16:27:51] | mkrufky: | you'll be able to watch UNENCRYPTED channels, without the box |
| [16:28:03] | mkrufky: | you still need the box for the premium & encrypted stuff |
| [16:28:17] | Fro: | does that mean any digital channels I wont be able to see? |
| [16:29:01] | mkrufky: | you can see any unencrypted digital channels |
| [16:30:56] | Fro: | another noob question..once I hook up the cable to the tuner card I would then hook my video card up to my tv via a DVI cable |
| [16:30:59] | Fro: | is that right? |
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| [16:34:08] | |Torg|: | usually via DVI to HDMI, yes |
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| [16:37:23] | nordle: | Is anyone running a large >=32" LCD panel? |
| [16:37:39] | gbee: | I wish |
| [16:38:06] | Fro: | not lcd |
| [16:38:08] | sebrock: | got a non-myth question here: anyone using SFS? |
| [16:38:10] | Fro: | 37" plasma |
| [16:38:35] | |Torg|: | 61" DLP |
| [16:39:13] | |Torg|: | there are some in the wiki database tho |
| [16:39:23] | nordle: | I just can't shake this "tearing" (I'd never heard of it until after the event). Fast movie shots and a crystal clear line appears running horizontally across the screen in the middle. It totally detracts from the movie and brings me back to reality! Which sucks. |
| [16:39:46] | |Torg|: | 1080P? |
| [16:40:15] | nordle: | Even my crappy old 21" CRT would get me totally engrossed in a film, this doesn't. Its a Hanspree panel, native 1360x768 |
| [16:40:25] | nordle: | 1080i/720p I think |
| [16:40:39] | |Torg|: | your watching interlaced video on a progresive screen |
| [16:40:53] | |Torg|: | either deinterlace it via mythtv or show it on an interlaced format |
| [16:41:07] | |Torg|: | if you do the later you still may need to deinterlace depending on the speed of your LCD |
| [16:41:30] | nordle: | |Torg|: I've got myth to deinterlace by default |
| [16:41:58] | nordle: | What do you mean by "show it on an interlaced format"? |
| [16:42:27] | |Torg|: | show them in 1080I or 720I |
| [16:42:33] | |Torg|: | what video card do you have? |
| [16:42:38] | nordle: | nvidia 6200 |
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| [16:43:28] | |Torg|: | that tearing is a common artifact of displaying interlaced video on a progressive display |
| [16:43:44] | |Torg|: | it can also be casued by a slow video card, but that card is fine |
| [16:44:05] | |Torg|: | even WITH deinterlacing it wont catch it 100%, especially on fast scene changes |
| [16:44:20] | |Torg|: | the best thing you can do is watch it at 1080I or 720I, I would suggest the former |
| [16:44:34] | nordle: | How can I show them in 1080i or 720i? |
| [16:44:47] | |Torg|: | its a modeline in X, thats all |
| [16:44:56] | |Torg|: | well that and your TV being able to display it |
| [16:47:06] | nordle: | ok, this is weird. I've read a lot via google since it occured, 00's of sites. They advise that historically the scaler in a LCD TV is a bit crap, and the best thing is to try for 1:1 pixel mapping. But this used to be a problem, because older tv's could only do 1366x768 meaning 6 pixel loss, or overscan. Thats one of reasons I thought this panel would be good, its got a native 1360x768. |
| [16:48:04] | |Torg|: | 1366x768 is a tv manufators marking BS |
| [16:48:18] | |Torg|: | its like selling disks in 1000 for a K instead of 1024 |
| [16:48:38] | nordle: | Hanspree have done the electronics, but underneath its a Toshiba or LG panel. I can play the DVD Cars perfectly, its stunning, no tearing at all........ BS? In what way? |
| [16:48:47] | |Torg|: | they CLAIM its really 1080 and are the pixels youc an see |
| [16:49:03] | |Torg|: | where do you get the HD signal from? what is it? bcast stations? |
| [16:49:41] | |Torg|: | its BS in the way that they are in essnece pre-cropping your video |
| [16:50:04] | |Torg|: | say you want to watch a HD brodcast of a TV show, they are brodcast in 1080I (altho ther may be a few holdouts that still dont) |
| [16:50:52] | |Torg|: | you are trying to put 1920 pixels wide and 1080 pixels high onto a 1366x768 frame |
| [16:51:10] | nordle: | It's not, its just dvd played from mythtv dvd player. I assumed the nvidia driver was upping it to 1360x768. Yeah, you know it cinfused me, I thought it was 1920x1080. So I never understood why my TV was 1080i/720p. As it was 37", and for the money, I knew I wasn't going to get 1080. |
| [16:51:18] | |Torg|: | were this a REAL 1080P you would be able to display ALL of the pixesl, tehre is actualy a class action lawsuit about that |
| [16:51:56] | |Torg|: | however if you are playing interlaces video, like a tv staiopn bordcast, on a progressive display, like the LCD, you will get tearing |
| [16:51:57] | nordle: | Thats bang out of order, you dont sell a 4x4 car with 2x4!!!!!!! |
| [16:52:06] | |Torg|: | you can minimize that, not eliminate that with deinterlacing |
| [16:52:34] | |Torg|: | its like bying a disk drive and geting it home, you look and see it dosnt have 500G like you thought |
| [16:52:58] | |Torg|: | becase the manufator uses 1000 for a K it comes out to closer to 480G (I didnt do the math exactly but you get the idea) |
| [16:53:01] | |Torg|: | same thing about your TV |
| [16:53:16] | |Torg|: | but that really isnt the issue, its the interlacing you have a problems with |
| [16:53:20] | nordle: | The TV is SD UK-PAL. I don't watch much, its the DVD player thats the issue. I luv movies. I've got an Athlon64–3700 1GB RAM, Mythtv and a DVDRW. |
| [16:53:46] | |Torg|: | output your TV to and interlaced format |
| [16:54:06] | |Torg|: | so if your in the UK I dount you are watching brodcast 1080I, sorry I shoudl have aked frist |
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| [16:55:58] | nordle: | No, the tv is all SD. But like I said, its not the TV thats causin the problem (not that I've noticed). Its the mythtv dvd player. So, I need to have a 720i modeline? Even though, won't it look a bit crappy on the TV or is it such a small difference 768 vs 720. Or have I got a firm grasp on the wrong end of the wrong stick again. |
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| [16:56:32] | |Torg|: | wht kind of DVDs are these? |
| [16:56:47] | nordle: | kind? Region2 PAL? |
| [16:57:01] | |Torg|: | HD? bluray? |
| [16:57:14] | nordle: | ohhh, no, SD, 720x576. |
| [16:57:35] | |Torg|: | yes, then you are scaling it to fit the LCD |
| [16:57:57] | |Torg|: | you could pillarbox it if you like, well that and lettbox it if you ant a 1:1 mapping |
| [16:58:15] | |Torg|: | 1366x768 is a LCD standard, not a TV one |
| [16:58:28] | |Torg|: | not even close to any tv standar,d its purly, 100% BS by teh LCD makers |
| [16:58:57] | nordle: | I saw a seperate hardware scaler, it was like £600! But is that not, essentially what my nvidia card is, a scaler? My LCd is not 1366, its 1360, which I thought would be better / easier to setup. |
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| [16:59:52] | |Torg|: | sorry I thin the 1366 ones are the ones sold in the US vs the 1360s in the UK |
| [16:59:59] | |Torg|: | I *think*, I am not sure |
| [17:00:34] | |Torg|: | but the same is true about the DVD (at least I think it is, as it is true for US DVDs) |
| [17:00:51] | |Torg|: | you are playing interlaced material (in this case a DVD) on a progressive display |
| [17:01:08] | |Torg|: | some thing happes as does for 1080I on a 1080P screen |
| [17:01:29] | |Torg|: | whats worse is many DVD are encoded with sustandard encoders, leaving artifact all over the DVDs |
| [17:01:39] | |Torg|: | ask the manufators and thye wil calim oh its your bad hardware |
| [17:02:05] | |Torg|: | play teh DVD on a player thatr can actually capure the IBP and you will see where that artifact is |
| [17:02:22] | |Torg|: | put that DVD on a nice BIG isplayu, esp one you are scaling up and those artifacts become blantent |
| [17:02:34] | |Torg|: | like I said tho, change your display to an interlaced format |
| [17:02:38] | nordle: | I'm very surprised that this is even a problem, given its really only available my searching! |
| [17:03:11] | nordle: | I feel a little bit as thought I've just dropped the soap in the showers! |
| [17:03:18] | |Torg|: | well im not 100% certain it will work, but if you were playing a NTSC DVD on it, I know it would |
| [17:03:27] | |Torg|: | the only reason I am not usre is I dont have PAL dvds |
| [17:04:17] | nordle: | ok, thanks, I can wikipedia, or myth wiki NTSC and PAL and see if there is much difference beyond the fps and resolution. |
| [17:04:31] | nordle: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database |
| [17:04:36] | |Torg|: | yes a 480I DVD is 1/6 a 1080I display |
| [17:04:50] | |Torg|: | http://hd1080i.blogspot.com/2006/12/1080-upsc . . . m-lower.html |
| [17:04:55] | |Torg|: | thats one page I found |
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| [17:05:26] | |Torg|: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HDTV_Database |
| [17:05:47] | |Torg|: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LG_RZ-32LZ55 |
| [17:06:08] | |Torg|: | thats a NA one at 1366 like I said eaerlier |
| [17:06:31] | |Torg|: | look them over, and make one for yout own display using some of the information |
| [17:06:39] | |Torg|: | when you are done, by all means post what you have in the database |
| [17:07:47] | nordle: | "but quite frankly, 1366 x 768 is enough different from 1280 x 720 ( 720p resolution ) that regardless of what your inputs are getting, you will be at the mercy of the HD display scaling firmware. Rescaling and de-interlacing any source video is non trivial and can produce really poor results." mmmm, if I'd read something like that a month ago, might have re-considered. Well, its there, it must be possible, I'll give it a crack. Many thanks! |
| [17:08:43] | nordle: | Option "UseEEID" "false" |
| [17:09:27] | nordle: | I've got mine set to true, as it does do it. With these settings, you have to keep turning them off/on in isolation to see if there is some kknock-on affect |
| [17:09:29] | nordle: | . |
| [17:11:51] | BULLE: | nordle: if you are lucky, you screen can handle 1:1 pixel mapping, consult your manual about that, but that is more the exception then the rule |
| [17:13:56] | nordle: | BULLE: It just sais the native resolution is 1360x768@60hz and it can do a much of res's up to that point. |
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| [17:15:39] | BULLE: | nordle: so, have you tried to just use a 1360x768 resolution ? |
| [17:15:42] | Yahooadam: | w00t |
| [17:15:46] | Yahooadam: | |torg| u there ? |
| [17:16:30] | nordle: | BULLE: Thats what its set to now, the desktop looks crystal clear. Completed this little test ok: http://www.eirikso.com/2006/04/06/perfect-adj . . . of-your-lcd/ |
| [17:17:49] | nordle: | And the DVD movies are crystal clear too. Right up until a fast scence move, then boom, tear for a split second. It does not do it at all on Pixars Cars. So maybe I need to find out whether it just likes CGI cartoons, or if that DVD is somehow different to the others. |
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| [17:36:47] | Chase: | since I updated my kernel and ivtv drivers a little bit ago, the sound and video are out of sync |
| [17:36:53] | Chase: | anyone know how to fix it? |
| [17:37:25] | jblack: | nordle: I have some thoughts. |
| [17:38:11] | jblack: | I imagine cartoons have a lower bitrate. I could see the cpu barely being able to stay caught up on cgi, and just falling behind on live action. |
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| [17:44:59] | nordle: | jblack: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but DVD's all have the same bitrate, to qualify for PAL mpeg2 standard. I can't remember what it is, something like 4900kbps...or maybe 6000. + I've got a nvidia 6200 and an Athlon64–3700, its pretty beefy. Even with a shed load of pos-processing on mplayer, using really high quality filters, the CPU never goes above 40%. The GPU... well, I guess the only way is to test annother GPU, but I'd like to try some other |
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| [17:46:42] | nordle: | This whole interlaced / progressive thing is confusing me. The TV can handle 1080i/720p. So it can do interlaced or progressive at 720??? no? |
| [17:49:59] | nordle: | http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.40 "DVD PCs are by definition progressive-scan players" well, that sounds promising. |
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| [17:56:35] | hendrixski: | hey, I'm playing around with my xml menu files a bit... where can I learn more about the different types of <action> options available? |
| [17:56:46] | sebrock: | how seamless is it to update to 0.20.2? |
| [17:56:53] | sebrock: | backend-wise |
| [17:57:06] | hendrixski: | I searched the wiki, but nothing came up, I know there's like "JUMP" and "MENU" but what else? |
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| [17:59:15] | hendrixski: | sebrock, most distributions recommend you just wait for them to carry it, then just apt-get it or yum or whatever |
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| [17:59:27] | hendrixski: | soo... I'm playing around with my xml menu files a bit... where can I learn more about the different types of <action> options available? |
| [18:00:53] | bsdfox__: | anyone know how I can set my transcoding jobs to not resize the video to 480x480? (keep it at 640x480) |
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| [18:04:58] | hendrixski: | sebrock, I think ubuntu has 20.2 already |
| [18:07:14] | sebrock: | yeah I think so too... |
| [18:07:22] | sebrock: | so its basically just updating the package? |
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| [18:16:13] | hendrixski: | sebrock, yup.. just sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade |
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| [18:29:11] | sebrock: | hendrixski, u sure that's 20.2? |
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| [18:29:33] | sebrock: | 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 |
| [18:30:46] | hendrixski: | sebrock, I'm not actually... that's just my best guess. ummm, you may want to double check on #ubuntu-mythtv :-) they'd know for sure :-) |
| [18:30:52] | hendrixski: | hope that helps |
| [18:34:07] | sebrock: | didnt know it existed |
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| [18:38:34] | gbee: | mythfrontend --version (look at the svn code version NOT the library API) |
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| [18:47:48] | liz_: | so is myth smart enough to know that if a show is in HD it should use the HD tuner? |
| [18:47:57] | liz_: | and not go to the analog tuner |
| [18:48:50] | ole_schoola: | if you set the hd tuner to a higher priority, yep |
| [18:49:08] | fryfrog: | liz_: sort of! |
| [18:49:15] | fryfrog: | you can also give HD shows a priority bump |
| [18:49:23] | fryfrog: | instead of giving the whole hd tuner a priority bump |
| [18:49:30] | ole_schoola: | you can specify tuner preference at the recording rule as well |
| [18:49:40] | fryfrog: | that way, non-hd shows that your hd tuner can get won't be prioritised higher |
| [18:49:56] | fryfrog: | ole_schoola: the best way is really just to give a 1 or 2 point bonus to "HD" shows |
| [18:50:07] | fryfrog: | it is somewhere in the ummm, recording priorities? |
| [18:50:08] | liz_: | so i can set the tuner in the mythweb settings? |
| [18:50:12] | fryfrog: | i think it already defaults to +1 |
| [18:50:21] | fryfrog: | ... set the tuner ...? |
| [18:50:42] | ole_schoola: | pretty sure tuner preference is there |
| [18:51:35] | liz_: | for the recording priority |
| [18:51:43] | ole_schoola: | maybe i'm dreaming, haven't been following the scene much ti late |
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| [18:54:08] | liz_: | ahh |
| [18:54:08] | liz_: | ok |
| [18:54:11] | liz_: | i get it :) |
| [18:54:26] | liz_: | rtfm *laugh* |
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| [19:06:45] | ** hendrixski found some documentation on <action> for theme developers... but didly shit about what the JUMP option does, and how it works ** | |
| [19:06:59] | BULLE: | jump! for my looooooooooove ! |
| [19:07:03] | BULLE: | lovely tune |
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| [19:07:44] | clever: | i think i 'fixed' my lvm problem |
| [19:07:58] | clever: | seems it was caused by accessing the volumes affected by a pvmove while moving |
| [19:08:33] | GreyFoxx: | xris: heh I can think of 3 changes I'd like to put into mythweb. Do you have a list of what you wanted done anywhere ? |
| [19:08:35] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [19:08:56] | hendrixski: | BULLE, if ya happen to know about the JUMP thing in the action tags on the xml menus, then I'd lke to learn more :-) |
| [19:09:02] | hendrixski: | hopefully use them to code up some stuff |
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| [19:23:02] | jammyd: | I had some problems with my recordedseek table, and I had to clear it out completely. Now all my recordings play in a 'jumpy' manner. Is it possible to reconstruct the data which should be in there? |
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| [19:26:20] | Anduin: | jammyd: It is, mythcommflag --rebuild |
| [19:27:03] | jammyd: | I didn't actually have commercial flagging on before though, but the table did have data — will it did the non-commercial flagging bits of data too (whatever they were) ? |
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| [19:27:37] | Anduin: | jammyd: That doesn't flag commercials, it just rebuilds the seek table, look at mythcommflagg --help |
| [19:27:51] | jammyd: | ahhh, ok — thanks! |
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| [19:32:20] | zntneo: | ok i'm really getting annoyed my backend server crashed again it seems last night |
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| [19:33:27] | zntneo: | anyone know why this is happening? or any ideas on how to fix it |
| [19:34:15] | zntneo: | it almost seems as though when the backend gets done with all the jobs in the job queue it crashes |
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| [19:38:03] | jimbalaya: | Does anyone here have their instance of MythMusic submitting tracks to last.fm? |
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| [19:44:34] | zntneo: | anyone?? |
| [19:45:18] | jams: | zntneo- using qt 3.8? |
| [19:45:45] | zntneo: | hmm not sure. How can i check? i'm using myhdora 4.0 if that helps |
| [19:46:11] | jams: | zntneo- rpm -qa |grep -i qt |
| [19:46:17] | jams: | that should do it |
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| [19:46:43] | zntneo: | nope it looks like qt 3.3.7 |
| [19:47:02] | jams: | alright..then i don't know =) |
| [19:47:09] | zntneo: | any ideas on what to do? |
| [19:47:21] | zntneo: | it seemed to work fine over the weekend |
| [19:47:26] | zntneo: | until it seems like last night |
| [19:47:31] | Yahooadam: | checked the logs ? |
| [19:47:45] | |Lunar_Lamp|: | I can't get my mythtv box hooked up to the net atm, so it's not getting TV guide data. I want to record a program on TV tonight, is my best way to set up some kind of timer record? I am not exactly sure what I should be looking in the manual/wiki etc for :-/ |
| [19:47:59] | zntneo: | at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log??? yes and the last entry was 8–28 i believe |
| [19:48:14] | zntneo: | sorry 8–29 |
| [19:49:35] | Yahooadam: | |Lunar_Lamp| |
| [19:49:36] | Yahooadam: | yes |
| [19:49:39] | Anduin: | |Lunar_Lamp|: You can manually schedule |
| [19:49:50] | Yahooadam: | Custom Recording |
| [19:50:02] | Yahooadam: | umm |
| [19:50:05] | Yahooadam: | Manual Recording even |
| [19:50:08] | zntneo: | so what else can i check? |
| [19:50:20] | Anduin: | |Lunar_Lamp|: You can also download the guide data on another machine, move it some other way to the Myth box, and import it. |
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| [19:53:55] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: around? |
| [19:57:44] | zntneo: | hey how do i connect my slave backend to my master backend? |
| [19:57:51] | |Torg|: | run it |
| [19:58:04] | zntneo: | i did and it didn't pic up the tuner card in it |
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| [19:58:17] | |Torg|: | what didnt pick up the tuner card? |
| [19:58:30] | zntneo: | the master backend |
| [19:58:51] | |Torg|: | are you saying the slave BE did not report its cards to the master be? |
| [19:58:56] | zntneo: | yes |
| [19:59:06] | zntneo: | as least i dont' think it did |
| [19:59:09] | |Torg|: | does the master backend have the cards in a diconnected mode? |
| [19:59:17] | zntneo: | i do not believe so |
| [19:59:25] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: am now |
| [19:59:25] | |Torg|: | then they are not defined in the slave |
| [19:59:54] | zntneo: | so when i define them in the slave the master should automagically pick them up? |
| [20:00:01] | |Torg|: | if the slave is connected the master will show the slaves card, connected and ready, If the slave is NOT conntected the master will show the salves cards in disconnected mode |
| [20:00:04] | fryfrog: | yup, assuming you start the slave backend |
| [20:00:14] | |Torg|: | if they do not show up regardless they are misconfigured on the slave |
| [20:01:04] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: trying to work with your firewire scripts |
| [20:01:07] | Cardoe: | and get firewire working |
| [20:01:25] | clever: | ive got a new firewire pci card but nothing to wire it too |
| [20:01:32] | clever: | trying to get my dad to ask for the firewire cable box |
| [20:01:43] | Cardoe: | one of the guys at work has your script working fryfrog |
| [20:01:46] | Cardoe: | except he gets... |
| [20:01:57] | Cardoe: | WARNING: Unknown option 'p', ignoringWARNING: Unknown option 'n', ignoring |
| [20:02:11] | Cardoe: | he's got a 3250, while I have a 4250 |
| [20:02:32] | fryfrog: | could he have an older firewire_tester or 6200ch? |
| [20:03:00] | fryfrog: | I think "p" would be port and "n" would be node, but "p" might also be p2p |
| [20:03:34] | fryfrog: | if you use -v or -d, it should show more details and maybe give an idea of which external program is throwing them |
| [20:03:46] | fryfrog: | also, are you sure those two models are supported by 6200ch? |
| [20:06:13] | Cardoe: | the channel_changer=sa3250ch |
| [20:06:20] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [20:06:37] | fryfrog: | i bet it is due to channel changer options, the script might need a smidge of rework to be flexible |
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| [20:06:49] | fryfrog: | what options does that one take? |
| [20:06:53] | Cardoe: | http://rafb.net/p/NjrZx821.html |
| [20:06:59] | fryfrog: | my guess is "-p" and "-n" are not options :p |
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| [20:07:06] | Cardoe: | well the guy at the office has to give it "-s" to sa3250ch |
| [20:07:14] | fryfrog: | humm |
| [20:07:17] | Cardoe: | but you have no way of passing options to the changer |
| [20:07:28] | Cardoe: | so he hardcodes that in after you do -x ${CHANNEL_CHANGER} |
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| [20:07:45] | fryfrog: | can you pastebin the --help? |
| [20:07:54] | fryfrog: | you are correct, the channel changing is basically hard coded |
| [20:08:03] | cal: | does commercial skipping not work that well or is it just me? sometimes it skipps all the way past to the next set of commercials on me. |
| [20:08:03] | fryfrog: | maybe i'll re-do it to support it better :/ |
| [20:08:20] | fryfrog: | cal: it depends a whole lot on the show it is processing |
| [20:08:31] | fryfrog: | cal: for l&o, it is usually retardedly wrong |
| [20:08:36] | fryfrog: | (for me, that is) |
| [20:08:43] | cal: | i think it was smallville on the wb |
| [20:09:11] | |Torg|: | cal, HD or SD? |
| [20:09:33] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: it also looks like you might not be using the "head" latest version of firewire tester |
| [20:09:37] | cal: | i mean, whats it do, count the number of black pixels and if it is over 80%, skipp to the next block of black pixels over 80%? |
| [20:09:40] | fryfrog: | (which is how it resets the firewire bus) |
| [20:09:58] | cal: | torg: sd |
| [20:10:04] | fryfrog: | cal: i think it uses a variety of methods... like, blank frame detection, extreme volume change, ummm |
| [20:10:06] | |Torg|: | cal it does multiple things dependant on what methods you select |
| [20:10:07] | fryfrog: | logo detection |
| [20:10:21] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: pastebin sa3250ch's help? |
| [20:10:26] | |Torg|: | scence change frequcy |
| [20:10:35] | cal: | torg: i left it on the default |
| [20:11:07] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: http://rafb.net/p/86tjMz93.html |
| [20:11:12] | |Torg|: | blank frame is about the least reliable, second would be change frequecny, things like volume and logo are usuay brodcaster specific |
| [20:11:25] | |Torg|: | also keep in mind brodcasters ACTIVLY try to subvert commercial detection |
| [20:11:48] | |Torg|: | blank frame on HD works prety well, not so good on SD |
| [20:12:03] | cal: | fry: speaking of volume does mythtv do volume detection to where i can keep it at the same volume, so the commercials are not louder |
| [20:12:24] | |Torg|: | cal what you are talking about is called normilzation |
| [20:12:36] | cal: | torg: i knew there was prolly a word for it =) |
| [20:12:38] | |Torg|: | in order for myth to do that it would need the WHOLE sample to normalise |
| [20:12:41] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: what happens if you have 2 of these STBs? How do you tell it firewire port / node? |
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| [20:13:07] | |Torg|: | that system would require you to watch the WHOLE thing, then go back and normaise it, it could for example normailse recorded stuff |
| [20:13:24] | |Torg|: | more exact what you want is volume clipping and for that you need to use JACk with ALSA |
| [20:13:31] | |Torg|: | its not exact either |
| [20:13:47] | cal: | torg: so its possible for recorded shows, but it doesnt do it now.. okay thanks |
| [20:14:09] | fryfrog: | cal: i don't think what you want (normalization) is possible? |
| [20:14:14] | |Torg|: | its posible, but problematic for recorded shows yes |
| [20:14:14] | fryfrog: | i mean, built in |
| [20:14:17] | fryfrog: | it should be possible |
| [20:14:29] | fryfrog: | in fact, you could probably write a script and do it as a userjob |
| [20:14:29] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: not sure... |
| [20:14:36] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: I'm just trying to setup my first one |
| [20:14:46] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: I don't have any firewire boxes anymore, and I never had anything but Motos :( |
| [20:15:20] | fryfrog: | If you make some good changes that would add better support for them, i'll be happy to include them (and post em to wiki) |
| [20:15:23] | |Torg|: | in relity what I want is for the volume to be NOT normailsed, hell I WANT my commecial to be louder |
| [20:15:32] | cal: | i think it wouldnt be as hard as having to go that far with it. i would just give a user-driven factor that we can change in the setup. if its set to -10 , lower the volume 10 notches when any commercial starts. let the user decide how much to lower it across the board for all commercials. |
| [20:15:34] | |Torg|: | I want the brodacster to use logos too, esp those bcast in HD ones |
| [20:15:36] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: before you bother with my crap, have you tried just setting them up in Myth? |
| [20:15:51] | fryfrog: | I only had to use my script because the moto boxes (or just mien?) suck dojnkey penis |
| [20:15:53] | |Torg|: | and I would especiialy like them to flip the audio and only brodcast shows in AC3 with the rest in DD |
| [20:16:02] | |Torg|: | the more the make commerical differnt the easier they are to catch |
| [20:16:13] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: I have a 4250 which isn't supported in Myth at all |
| [20:16:25] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: but I was just trying your scripts to get any mpeg stream at all |
| [20:16:27] | fryfrog: | can you add support by putting the vendor/model id in? |
| [20:16:49] | fryfrog: | for testing, i'd just try firewire_tester and the channel changer by itself |
| [20:17:03] | fryfrog: | if it is reliable, just use the channel changer as the external script |
| [20:17:15] | fryfrog: | also, try p2p *and* broadcast, some boxes love one or the other way more |
| [20:17:54] | cal: | anyone here use a pvp500 plus another tv card that is hd? |
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| [20:18:54] | Aval0n: | guys, I have a PVR-500 and I went to record two shows that are on at the same time. It said that it was conflicting. And it reports both shows as going to record on encoder 1 |
| [20:19:09] | Aval0n: | http://pastebin.org/2147 |
| [20:19:18] | |Lunar_Lamp|: | Is there a manual in printable form? I'm particularly interested in default key bindings etc. |
| [20:19:19] | Aval0n: | does that mean my 2nd tuner on the pvr-500 isn't working? |
| [20:19:47] | cal: | avol0n: see if you can switch tuners manually, i think its the Y key? |
| [20:19:55] | |Torg|: | C |
| [20:20:02] | |Torg|: | tuners is C cards are Y |
| [20:20:26] | Aval0n: | unfortunatly i'm not at home |
| [20:20:31] | Aval0n: | looking at mythweb right now |
| [20:20:38] | |Torg|: | sorry tuners ARE c, my bad engrish |
| [20:21:05] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: well the channel changing doesn't work.. that's why mythtv doesn't support it... the vendor/model is blacklisted since the channel change code is busted. |
| [20:21:32] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: I'm just trying to get video off the currently tuned channel.. let alone changing channels.. I'll fix the channel change code as soon as I can get video across |
| [20:21:40] | Aval0n: | how can I tell what card is /dev/video0 |
| [20:21:42] | Aval0n: | and so on |
| [20:21:47] | |Torg|: | Aval0n it looks as if you have 4 recordings back to back, there does not seem to be anything wrong with the setup |
| [20:21:54] | Aval0n: | without being ther obviously or I could just look at the backened |
| [20:21:58] | |Torg|: | you DID assign priorites to teh tuners, right? |
| [20:22:03] | |Lunar_Lamp|: | ok, I'm really sure I'm being stupid here, but the page http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Daily_Use says that "record" is 'CR' on the keyboard. What is that? ctrl+r? |
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| [20:22:10] | |Torg|: | select * from capturecard |
| [20:22:12] | Aval0n: | Torg, ahh ok it just said it was a possible confict |
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| [20:22:29] | Aval0n: | I have not set any prirorites |
| [20:22:29] | anomic: | sup lol. mythtv suddenly decided to boot into the initial configuration screen. what to do lol? |
| [20:22:33] | |Torg|: | it will say there is a posible conflict if you record ANYTING at the same time as ANYTHING else |
| [20:22:39] | Aval0n: | anomic make sure db pass is right |
| [20:22:52] | Aval0n: | and it's okay that everything is encoder 1? |
| [20:23:00] | |Torg|: | its normal |
| [20:23:01] | anomic: | Aval0n: hm. wouldn' |
| [20:23:08] | anomic: | wouldn't that show in mysql.err? |
| [20:23:11] | anomic: | or mysql.log? |
| [20:23:11] | Aval0n: | ahh ok awesome Torng thank you |
| [20:23:17] | Aval0n: | no |
| [20:23:22] | Aval0n: | it's not the database having the error |
| [20:23:27] | Aval0n: | it's myth having the wrong pass |
| [20:23:32] | Aval0n: | unless it says failed login attempt |
| [20:23:34] | |Torg|: | anomic it will show up in your logs |
| [20:23:34] | Cardoe: | fix mysql.txt |
| [20:23:42] | Aval0n: | is it asking you to select languagE? |
| [20:24:09] | anomic: | |Torg|: which log? |
| [20:24:12] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: http://rafb.net/p/rAhxhM51.html |
| [20:24:13] | anomic: | mythbackend.log is empty |
| [20:24:30] | |Torg|: | .xsession-errors perhaps? |
| [20:24:38] | |Torg|: | it depens on how you run the frontend |
| [20:24:53] | |Torg|: | if its asking for setup information it could not get the settings from mysql |
| [20:25:04] | Cardoe: | which means your mysql.txt is bad |
| [20:25:08] | Cardoe: | or your hostname changed |
| [20:25:18] | |Torg|: | specifcly run mysql mythconverg -u <user> -p from that box using the loging and passowrd (probbly mtyhttv/mythtv) |
| [20:25:27] | |Torg|: | if it works then go do what Cardoe said |
| [20:25:31] | |Torg|: | if it osnt go fix mysql |
| [20:26:02] | |Torg|: | if you fix mysql and it still does it, go do what Cardoe said |
| [20:26:10] | Aval0n: | thanks Torg I'm outta |
| [20:26:11] | Aval0n: | later |
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| [20:26:14] | bsdfox__: | are all my mythtv config options inside mysql tables? |
| [20:26:15] | |Torg|: | either way your going to to have to go look at that file anyway |
| [20:26:30] | |Torg|: | select * from settings |
| [20:26:31] | anomic: | |Torg|: that dumped a bunch of values, yes |
| [20:26:37] | anomic: | so i have to fix mythtv.txt? |
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| [20:26:45] | |Torg|: | mysql.txt |
| [20:26:52] | anomic: | i can't find any such file |
| [20:26:54] | |Torg|: | <Cardoe> fix mysql.txt |
| [20:27:02] | anomic: | oh, sorry |
| [20:27:12] | |Torg|: | again depends on how your myth was installed, look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:27:28] | |Torg|: | it may also be in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:27:33] | |Torg|: | in fact its probbly in both |
| [20:27:44] | Cardoe: | /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt & ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
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| [20:28:00] | Aval0n: | is there a plugin to be able to control mp3 playback on the myth system via mythweb? |
| [20:28:15] | anomic: | Cardoe: it's in both, but they don't match |
| [20:28:22] | |Torg|: | mythmusic? |
| [20:28:32] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [20:28:57] | Aval0n: | is that the name of the plugin, or are you asking me if that's what I'm trying to play? |
| [20:29:08] | Cardoe: | anomic: so fix them both |
| [20:29:10] | anomic: | Cardoe: seems like any password works to dump mythconverg |
| [20:29:13] | |Torg|: | that is the name of the plugin that mythweb checks to see if it is configured |
| [20:29:18] | anomic: | that's not right... |
| [20:29:20] | Yahooadam: | lol i thought you were CardJoe there :p |
| [20:29:26] | Aval0n: | I have my audio in myth |
| [20:29:29] | Aval0n: | and it shows the files |
| [20:29:39] | Aval0n: | all my music shows up in mythweb but I don't see a way to play them. |
| [20:30:06] | |Torg|: | Aval0n is your BE and FE two seperate systems? or more exactly does mythweb run from a differnt system then the place where the mp3s are? |
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| [20:30:34] | Aval0n: | BE and FE on same machine, mp3's reside on a windows share mapped to /c/Music |
| [20:30:41] | anomic: | how do i set a password for mythconverg? |
| [20:30:48] | |Torg|: | which user? |
| [20:31:04] | |Torg|: | passwords in mysql are per user per host |
| [20:31:15] | |Torg|: | they are irregarless of system PAM settings |
| [20:31:39] | |Torg|: | by default, meaning you never cheked you have access for a user called "root" with no password, from localhost |
| [20:31:45] | Aval0n: | SET PASSWORD 'mythtv'@'localhost' PASSWORD=('password'); while in mysql? |
| [20:31:57] | Aval0n: | then FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [20:32:17] | Aval0n: | do mysql -u root |
| [20:32:24] | Aval0n: | and you should get a mysql prompt |
| [20:32:52] | Aval0n: | SET PASSWORD FOR 'user'@'hostname' = PASSWORD('passwordhere'); |
| [20:32:58] | Aval0n: | that's correct sorry |
| [20:33:18] | anomic: | no it's not |
| [20:33:30] | Aval0n: | uhm |
| [20:33:31] | Dagmar: | Yes, I'm afraid it is. |
| [20:33:39] | Dagmar: | MySQL has it's *own* access control tables. |
| [20:33:39] | Aval0n: | holy shit |
| [20:33:39] | anomic: | ah, there we go |
| [20:33:51] | Aval0n: | hi Dagmar :) |
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| [20:34:07] | |Torg|: | thanks Dagmar, didnt I already say that? |
| [20:34:14] | Dagmar: | You did. |
| [20:34:18] | Dagmar: | I was just confirming it |
| [20:34:28] | Aval0n: | so anyway torg, the mp3' |
| [20:34:31] | anomic: | but when i run "mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -p blah" i get the same output as with the proper password i just set |
| [20:34:37] | Aval0n: | are on a windows share using smbfs to mount them |
| [20:34:49] | Aval0n: | anomic |
| [20:34:50] | Aval0n: | do this |
| [20:34:54] | Aval0n: | as root or sudo |
| [20:34:58] | Aval0n: | mysql -u root |
| [20:35:01] | |Torg|: | dunno Aval0n I dont share mine, I have them on a sperate FE to play and therefore mythweb dosnt show them |
| [20:35:09] | Aval0n: | when you get the mysql prompt do this |
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| [20:35:16] | anomic: | Aval0n: got a prompt |
| [20:35:18] | |Torg|: | as root or any user, you dont need sudo |
| [20:35:27] | Aval0n: | SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('mythtv'); |
| [20:35:34] | Aval0n: | FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [20:35:41] | willcooke: | Anyone have experience of using mpegdemux to extract the audio from a DVB-T TS as produced my Myth? |
| [20:35:48] | Aval0n: | then make sure you mysql.txt has mythtv for user and pass |
| [20:36:11] | Aval0n: | it shows my files Torg |
| [20:36:22] | Aval0n: | but whien I click the name of them I get page not found |
| [20:36:31] | Aval0n: | but it just shows them and gives an option to delete but not play |
| [20:36:39] | Aval0n: | oddly |
| [20:36:42] | |Torg|: | dunno Aval0n I get the same thing but its becase teh files are not on my mythweb box |
| [20:36:45] | anomic: | Aval0n: okay, but i still get the same output irregardless of the password i use when i run 'mysql mythconverg -u mythtv -p' |
| [20:37:01] | Aval0n: | omg |
| [20:37:07] | Aval0n: | that's because that's wrong |
| [20:37:08] | |Torg|: | anomic what output do you get? |
| [20:37:15] | anomic: | i'll pastebin |
| [20:37:15] | Aval0n: | mysql -u mythtv -p |
| [20:37:17] | Aval0n: | do that |
| [20:37:23] | Aval0n: | and enter mythtv for pass |
| [20:37:33] | |Torg|: | Aval0n thats not necessarily true |
| [20:37:37] | anomic: | Aval0n: works |
| [20:37:41] | Aval0n: | of course it does |
| [20:37:46] | Aval0n: | now set mysql.txt to the same |
| [20:37:47] | |Torg|: | you can set up users per database not necessarily for the whole box |
| [20:37:51] | Aval0n: | and do mythtv-setup |
| [20:37:51] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [20:37:54] | anomic: | k |
| [20:37:55] | Aval0n: | Torg true |
| [20:37:56] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [20:38:12] | Aval0n: | but that's not default |
| [20:38:21] | Aval0n: | so != to what he's got I'm sure :) |
| [20:38:35] | Aval0n: | hehe |
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| [20:39:21] | mcquaid: | how can i feed an xmltv.xml file to myth? |
| [20:39:23] | Aval0n: | torg so you think it's because the mp3s themselves don't reside on the backened server is why I get that error? |
| [20:39:52] | |Torg|: | yes Aval0n but it should if its netowrk mounted |
| [20:40:03] | Aval0n: | odd |
| [20:40:47] | Aval0n: | i take it since atomic isn't talking he must be configuring in mythtv-setup |
| [20:40:48] | Aval0n: | heheh |
| [20:40:51] | |Torg|: | and according to the mc.sql script, which I would assume most people use, it does not grant mythtv access to mysql system tables |
| [20:40:51] | ole_schoola: | Avalon: happened to me too with smb, went to nfs and problem went away |
| [20:40:54] | Aval0n: | hopefully anyway :) |
| [20:40:59] | |Torg|: | so I would say that fact it does, is not standard |
| [20:41:03] | Aval0n: | ole_schoola: damn |
| [20:41:05] | Aval0n: | cool |
| [20:41:09] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: see based on that paste I get squat |
| [20:41:40] | ole_schoola: | any fedora core ppl able to lend a hand with an nvidia driver problem? |
| [20:43:53] | Aval0n: | anomic: you working? |
| [20:44:01] | anomic: | it wr0ks |
| [20:44:01] | xris: | ole_schoola: driver from atrpms or livna? |
| [20:44:05] | Aval0n: | cool |
| [20:44:12] | anomic: | thanks, brah |
| [20:44:16] | Aval0n: | I'm so disappointed in my pvr-500 =( |
| [20:44:21] | Aval0n: | I wish I could use 2 150's |
| [20:44:53] | ole_schoola: | xris: atrpms, 9639 legacy (mx-440) |
| [20:45:36] | xris: | ole_schoola: I probably can't offer much help, but what's the problem? |
| [20:45:47] | xris: | Aval0n: oh? |
| [20:46:15] | Aval0n: | yeah, quality is horrible for me on the pvr500 |
| [20:47:22] | Aval0n: | I put all new compression connectors on, tried cable amps |
| [20:47:28] | Aval0n: | the amps just introduces diagonal lines fo rme |
| [20:47:34] | Aval0n: | for me* |
| [20:47:38] | |Torg|: | bad amp |
| [20:47:43] | Aval0n: | I tried 2 amps |
| [20:47:49] | Aval0n: | 2 bad amps? |
| [20:47:53] | Aval0n: | probably |
| [20:48:00] | Aval0n: | It was this one |
| [20:48:06] | gbee: | Aval0n: this using the built in tuner? or composite/s-video? |
| [20:48:17] | |Torg|: | Aval0n where in your box does the card sit? |
| [20:48:28] | Aval0n: | http://www.radioshack.com/sm-1-to-4-bidirecti . . . summary.html |
| [20:48:29] | |Torg|: | along what route does the cable run? |
| [20:48:41] | Aval0n: | gbee built in tuner |
| [20:48:56] | Aval0n: | Torg the slot furthest away from the CPU and POWER supply fan |
| [20:49:08] | ole_schoola: | xris: when i drop my old (fc5) xorg.conf in place of the stock fedora .conf, all my modules load fine when x starts but always get LoadModule "nvidia" "couldn't open module nvidia" |
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| [20:49:21] | Aval0n: | and up my wall from outside striaght shot from the attic and down my wall where TV is |
| [20:49:21] | gbee: | ok, does the PVR500 have a built in amplifier? the Nova-T 500 does so I'd assume that the PVR would as well? |
| [20:49:28] | |Torg|: | diagionl lines is 60 cycle interfearance, bad cable, paralel to power lines, card is slot nest to bad fan, interfearance from faulty video card, etc |
| [20:49:31] | xris: | ole_schoola: is the old one broken? |
| [20:49:37] | |Torg|: | most COMMONLY caused by leaky amp |
| [20:49:41] | Aval0n: | gbee the samsung tuner version did , mine being phillips model does not |
| [20:49:47] | |Torg|: | but it CAN be casued by a few other things as well |
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| [20:49:54] | Dagmar: | Sometimes by FBI wiretap |
| [20:49:55] | xris: | sounds like you're missing the kmod (kmdl in atrpms-speak) for your selected kernel. |
| [20:50:05] | |Torg|: | Dagmar SHH |
| [20:50:12] | gbee: | Aval0n: ahh, hmm that sucks |
| [20:50:12] | ole_schoola: | xris: what? the old fc5 setup? it's gone. this is a brand new fc7 install |
| [20:50:14] | |Torg|: | and its the NSA, not the FBI :P |
| [20:50:44] | Aval0n: | I have cox phone also |
| [20:51:03] | ole_schoola: | nah, kmod is there |
| [20:51:03] | Aval0n: | I hope that box isn't killing my signal. |
| [20:51:09] | |Torg|: | the 500's are notrious for needing pristine signal |
| [20:51:14] | Dagmar: | No the NSA only tap into the broader networks, they don't do the local footwork |
| [20:51:16] | Aval0n: | |Torg|: http://www.radioshack.com/sm-1-to-4-bidirecti . . . summary.html |
| [20:51:21] | Aval0n: | that's the amp I'm using |
| [20:51:23] | |Torg|: | I saw that |
| [20:51:33] | Aval0n: | oh sorry |
| [20:51:41] | Aval0n: | I forgot I pasted it |
| [20:51:46] | |Torg|: | its not a MODEL of amp, nobody INTENTIONALY makes a leaky amp |
| [20:51:50] | Aval0n: | using a 5 colum txt ssh session |
| [20:52:01] | |Torg|: | its the specifc piece you have, I dunno maybe the Chinnese guy droped it when they packed it |
| [20:52:04] | Aval0n: | I tried the 1–4 and the 1–1 both from RS |
| [20:52:09] | Aval0n: | both did the same. |
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| [20:52:36] | |Torg|: | its specficly a sign of crossover |
| [20:52:53] | Aval0n: | in the attic, the cable was cut before |
| [20:53:00] | |Torg|: | power cords too close to unshieled cables, inductive cupploers with leacks (like Darmar said :P) |
| [20:53:03] | Aval0n: | I had to add 2 connectors and a barrel connector |
| [20:53:14] | Aval0n: | but they were compression connecters and made a good crimp |
| [20:53:17] | |Torg|: | could be the tuner itslef is sheilede poorly and some cheapo case fan is putting off RF |
| [20:54:15] | |Torg|: | hell simply moving the card to a differnt slot may work |
| [20:55:29] | |Torg|: | then again it could just be shit cable, amp shit cable and you get really strong shit cable, GIGO |
| [20:56:14] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: if you update your scripts.. I'm gonna upgrade sa3250ch to accept -p and -n |
| [20:56:20] | |Torg|: | did you split the cable to differnt drops. if so are they ALL connected to a tuner or did you leave in bridge taps? |
| [20:56:31] | |Torg|: | that would effect signal streght more then aythiung else |
| [20:56:59] | Aval0n: | it's always been the same cable thus far |
| [20:57:06] | floppyears: | I'm going to be building a frontend tonight |
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| [20:57:08] | |Torg|: | is the cable grounded? if so where? |
| [20:57:17] | Aval0n: | I was thinking about picking up a new rg6 cable on the way home and running it from out side, through my door and to the box to see if it helps. |
| [20:57:19] | |Torg|: | is it gounded along with the dish washer and refrigerator? |
| [20:57:20] | floppyears: | I'm quite anxious |
| [20:57:25] | Aval0n: | grounded outside from the 2-way splitter |
| [20:57:27] | xris: | ole_schoola: oh... so do you have the proper kmdl installed for your new f-7 kernel? |
| [20:58:00] | Aval0n: | I have (externally) cox into a 2-way splitter |
| [20:58:13] | |Torg|: | for that matter it could be crap gounding on your cable comapny, is this new digital cable or 30 year old analog that has been spliced to hell and back? |
| [20:58:33] | Aval0n: | 1 split to my cable modem, (100ft) and then other split to the 2-way splitter for Myth |
| [20:58:36] | Aval0n: | about 75ft |
| [20:59:18] | Aval0n: | with that splittter I got kworld 115 and the pvr-500 |
| [20:59:37] | |Torg|: | connect it to a TV, soes that tv show the same interfearance, maybe with a notciable hum in the audio? |
| [20:59:59] | |Torg|: | for that matter make a balun for it |
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| [21:00:11] | |Torg|: | well you can buy one too |
| [21:00:32] | Aval0n: | didnt' see anything on the TV |
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| [21:01:19] | |Torg|: | then its proobly card related and not cable related |
| [21:01:29] | Yahooadam: | http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2007/09/10/tetris_mod/6 <- me wants !!! |
| [21:01:40] | Aval0n: | the lines are only on 2 channels that I notice |
| [21:01:49] | Aval0n: | it's the bad quality that I can't get passed |
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| [21:02:42] | |Torg|: | Yahooadam can I drop them on you while you arrange them :P |
| [21:03:09] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [21:03:18] | Yahooadam: | dont trap me in a completed row ! :p |
| [21:03:24] | |Torg|: | Aval0n what speficly two channels? and what are on the ajoning channels? |
| [21:03:50] | Aval0n: | channel 5 is the worst channel I have in terms of cquality |
| [21:03:58] | Aval0n: | 45 has lines |
| [21:04:00] | Aval0n: | so does 10 |
| [21:04:07] | |Torg|: | what is on 4? |
| [21:04:11] | Aval0n: | nothing |
| [21:04:16] | Aval0n: | or Gov access |
| [21:04:17] | Aval0n: | I think |
| [21:04:19] | |Torg|: | are you SURE, nothing or noting you can get |
| [21:04:31] | Aval0n: | let me see |
| [21:04:33] | Aval0n: | 1 sec |
| [21:05:03] | Aval0n: | 4 |
| [21:05:03] | Aval0n: | CSPAN2 |
| [21:05:13] | Aval0n: | I'm not at home so I can't check the Qual |
| [21:05:28] | |Torg|: | what is on 6? |
| [21:05:35] | Aval0n: | 6 |
| [21:05:35] | Aval0n: | CW |
| [21:05:42] | |Torg|: | both come in OK? |
| [21:05:44] | Yahooadam: | damn you juski, you suck at taking holidays :p |
| [21:05:53] | |Torg|: | juski aint here :P |
| [21:06:03] | Yahooadam: | exactly |
| [21:06:19] | |Torg|: | its not nice to talk badly about people while there not arround |
| [21:06:25] | |Torg|: | besiudes mythlogbot is logging you :P |
| [21:06:31] | Yahooadam: | ooo .... lol |
| [21:06:33] | Yahooadam: | i know ;) |
| [21:06:44] | Yahooadam: | he has bad timing is all :p |
| [21:06:50] | Yahooadam: | i need that script :'( |
| [21:06:57] | Aval0n: | ok torg I gotta jet |
| [21:07:05] | Aval0n: | thanks for your help I'll catch up with you later |
| [21:07:12] | Aval0n: | peace.. |
| [21:07:17] | |Torg|: | make sure you tell juski that next time he goes on holiday to check your schedule before he leaves :P |
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| [21:07:42] | Yahooadam: | :p |
| [21:07:49] | Yahooadam: | i gotta go to uni in like 20 days |
| [21:07:55] | Yahooadam: | not much time to get my tv system setup :p |
| [21:11:02] | |Torg|: | http://www.epanorama.net/documents/groundloop . . . uilding.html |
| [21:11:08] | |Torg|: | hmm I wana make one just to play with it |
| [21:11:34] | Yahooadam: | How |torg| spends his evenings :p |
| [21:11:53] | |Torg|: | when my wife is at school, yes :) |
| [21:12:01] | |Torg|: | i AM an EE you know |
| [21:12:11] | Yahooadam: | EE = ? |
| [21:12:15] | |Torg|: | and never forget EE is the middle of GEEK :P |
| [21:12:22] | |Torg|: | Electrical Engineer |
| [21:12:25] | |Torg|: | my degree |
| [21:12:26] | Yahooadam: | ahh |
| [21:13:08] | |Torg|: | you mean you dont have a workbench, soldering iron and parts bin in your garrage too? |
| [21:13:35] | Yahooadam: | actually its in my dads study :p |
| [21:14:10] | H00chster: | is there a way that I am missing probably to FORCE Myth to always start on a particular channel |
| [21:14:24] | H00chster: | not the mythtv-setup input setting |
| [21:14:35] | |Torg|: | yes always quit it while watching that channel |
| [21:14:43] | H00chster: | but everytime you exit out of the frontend and back in, it usually goes back to the other, |
| [21:15:03] | |Torg|: | every time you exit the backend and go back in it ALWAYS tunes to teh last tuned station |
| [21:15:05] | H00chster: | ya torg prob is that if you set it to record on another channel then next time you go back in it is on that channel heh I am wanting it to not do that lol |
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| [21:15:25] | |Torg|: | you can always edit the start channel in the databse |
| [21:15:38] | |Torg|: | that or change it off the porn channel when your done watching it :P |
| [21:15:46] | H00chster: | thanks will look into it, might just have to write something in to do it each time |
| [21:17:17] | |Torg|: | mythconverg.cardinput.startchan |
| [21:17:58] | |Torg|: | "no honny I wasnt watching 'do me baby' again, mythtv tunes to the staion all by itslef" |
| [21:18:17] | |Torg|: | "see, it likes to tune in porn, no I dont know why it records it, must be a bug" |
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| [21:19:15] | Yahooadam: | lmao |
| [21:19:31] | Yahooadam: | watching hells kitchen, and some gay guy is getting all upset |
| [21:20:00] | |Torg|: | what I really want is that tivo thing wher ethe damn box records what IT thinks I like |
| [21:20:32] | |Torg|: | it took me nearly year to tach mine I like crime dramas, watch on porn movie tho |
| [21:22:07] | H00chster: | |Torg|, lmao pretty much the problem, but HONESTLY, and I know nobody will believe me ROFLMAO, it isn't me that has the issue heh. it is a friend that keeps setting up recordings on his and then his kids goto watch lmao. I am usually good enuf to change to something else before exiting lmao |
| [21:22:38] | |Torg|: | its a mythbackend thing |
| [21:22:54] | H00chster: | heh |
| [21:22:58] | |Torg|: | you would have to restart the backlend for it to pick up that startchan otherwise its just sits on what you told it last |
| [21:23:02] | |Torg|: | unless its off scanning EIT |
| [21:23:27] | |Torg|: | I actlay do it for my ATSC cards |
| [21:23:39] | |Torg|: | myth sometimes locks into a partial channel and I cant get it unstuck |
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| [21:23:56] | |Torg|: | it wont play the channel becase it cant lock in, wone change channel becase it dont have a full lock |
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| [21:24:10] | |Torg|: | so I shut down the BE, rest the startchan and restart the BE |
| [21:27:40] | Yahooadam: | sigh |
| [21:27:49] | Yahooadam: | when are they going to update teh XMLTV for ubuntu |
| [21:28:00] | |Torg|: | compile it yourslef |
| [21:28:21] | Yahooadam: | thats sooo much hassle :p |
| [21:28:42] | Yahooadam: | plus in the future when they do update it, i will have to recompile to update |
| [21:28:52] | Yahooadam: | assuming i ever check if they updated it |
| [21:28:54] | |Torg|: | yes but I TRUST what I compile not what someone ELSE thought I should use |
| [21:29:11] | |Torg|: | update it, you mean svn |
| [21:29:25] | |Torg|: | shit someome will update it before I finsih cheching out mythtv |
| [21:29:36] | Yahooadam: | ? |
| [21:29:49] | |Torg|: | I can damn near guarntee if I check out the mythplugs next I have to force a revsiosn becase someoen wil have changed it while I was chaecking out eh src |
| [21:30:22] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [21:30:25] | |Torg|: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/timeline |
| [21:30:41] | Yahooadam: | so wtf is a/the "svn" |
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| [21:30:52] | |Torg|: | Sub VersioN |
| [21:30:59] | ShiftyPowers: | anyone know what i need to compile when this is the output of make "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL" |
| [21:31:07] | |Torg|: | its a CVS or content versioning system |
| [21:31:10] | ShiftyPowers: | running ubuntu |
| [21:31:18] | |Torg|: | specifly you run svn as a command |
| [21:31:27] | |Torg|: | im nearly certain ubu has a vrison of svn you can use |
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| [21:32:04] | |Torg|: | ShiftyPowers that is implictly a missing lib |
| [21:32:10] | |Torg|: | in this case libGL |
| [21:32:15] | ShiftyPowers: | yeah |
| [21:32:19] | ShiftyPowers: | but i can't find the package |
| [21:32:22] | ShiftyPowers: | associated with is |
| [21:32:50] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: if you update the sa channel changer, i think my script would work |
| [21:32:56] | |Torg|: | root@jachin:~/hack/mythtv/database# dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| [21:32:56] | |Torg|: | libgl1-mesa-dev: /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| [21:33:00] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: w/o modification, that is |
| [21:33:40] | PSU: | Has anyone ever had a problem with the incorrect total time that is listed during playback of a DVD ripped with mythdvd? For example, I just ripped a 2hr 30 mins movie and when I play it back, it is listed as 10 minutes and some secs. The whole movie appears to be there but the time that is displayed during playback seems way off...this has happened to the three movies that I ripped using mythdvd. |
| [21:33:44] | Yahooadam: | shiftypowers |
| [21:33:52] | Yahooadam: | did u try a build-dep mythtv ? |
| [21:34:08] | ShiftyPowers: | |Torg|, thanks man |
| [21:34:36] | |Torg|: | your welcome, dunno fi I helped tho I dont run Ubu :P |
| [21:34:39] | ShiftyPowers: | hmm, that package didn't work |
| [21:34:42] | ShiftyPowers: | yeah |
| [21:34:44] | ShiftyPowers: | hmm |
| [21:34:50] | ShiftyPowers: | Yahooadam, no i didn't |
| [21:34:53] | ShiftyPowers: | what should i do? |
| [21:35:19] | |Torg|: | http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libdevel/libgl1-mesa-dev |
| [21:36:05] | Yahooadam: | i think its sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [21:36:12] | Yahooadam: | should install everything u need to compile mythtv |
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| [21:37:04] | |Torg|: | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| [21:37:05] | |Torg|: | haha |
| [21:37:07] | H00chster: | be careful if you are using nvidia drivers using the build-dep |
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| [21:37:24] | H00chster: | I do that to see what packages are going to install and remove the mesa ones so that they don't uninstall my nvidia drivers |
| [21:41:03] | mcquaid: | i updated mythfilldatabase with an xml file using --file. Now I have every channel twice |
| [21:41:08] | mcquaid: | how can i clear that? |
| [21:41:40] | |Torg|: | mysqlrestore |
| [21:42:01] | tekny: | that is strange, i thought chanid was a primary key |
| [21:42:45] | tekny: | so you have channels with chanid that would be 1000 or 2000 + channum |
| [21:42:53] | tekny: | you can erase the channels from the wrong source |
| [21:42:54] | mcquaid: | |Torg|, was mysqlrestore meant for me? |
| [21:43:09] | |Torg|: | yes mcquaid |
| [21:43:27] | mcquaid: | ok, but I believe in saving space, I turned off mysqlbackups |
| [21:43:51] | ShiftyPowers: | Yahooadam, what package contains build-dep |
| [21:43:55] | ShiftyPowers: | don't ahve it installed |
| [21:43:56] | |Torg|: | then learn the delete from channel where chaid= syntaxt and go edit the db by hand |
| [21:44:06] | |Torg|: | err chanid |
| [21:44:19] | mcquaid: | say i delete the entire source and readd it? |
| [21:44:34] | |Torg|: | you could |
| [21:44:47] | ShiftyPowers: | actually i'm confused, i have the SVN directory for mythtv |
| [21:44:56] | ShiftyPowers: | how do i build-dep from tehre? |
| [21:45:12] | |Torg|: | you ont, well it dosnt depend on where you do the build-dep |
| [21:45:23] | |Torg|: | and it wont help you necessarily with what you downloaded via SVN |
| [21:45:31] | Yahooadam: | sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [21:45:34] | mcquaid: | hmm, if i delete the source and readd, are all recording rules disgarded? |
| [21:45:39] | Yahooadam: | you dont need a package |
| [21:45:44] | ShiftyPowers: | hmm i did that |
| [21:45:52] | ShiftyPowers: | says unable to find source package for mythtv |
| [21:45:59] | |Torg|: | mcquaid sorta depends, there based upon chanid |
| [21:46:02] | ShiftyPowers: | maybe my repos aren't right |
| [21:46:06] | Yahooadam: | i just did it on ubuntu feisty and it worked fine |
| [21:46:07] | mcquaid: | ok |
| [21:46:08] | mcquaid: | thx |
| [21:46:11] | |Torg|: | if you add them back, chances are you will get eh same cahnids |
| [21:46:17] | Yahooadam: | u need universe/multiverse .. |
| [21:46:21] | |Torg|: | I said chances, I would still go check the schedules |
| [21:46:31] | Yahooadam: | and if you enable new packages, you need to do sudo apt-get update |
| [21:47:50] | rtsai: | hi |
| [21:47:59] | |Torg|: | and yes tekny I had to go check chanid is the primary key and no that isnt how its set |
| [21:48:14] | rtsai: | does anyone have a HD HomeRun? |
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| [21:50:32] | ShiftyPowers: | i just did a build-dep but i still get the can't find -lGL when compiling |
| [21:50:33] | ShiftyPowers: | crap |
| [21:51:24] | Yahooadam: | :o |
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| [21:52:42] | jblack: | -lGL ? Perhaps -lGl or -lgl |
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| [21:52:59] | |Torg|: | jblack hes mising libGL.so |
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| [21:54:13] | Fatty123: | Hello, I have a PVR350 and am using Mythdora4. When going from the myth gui to watching tv I hear sound but get a black screen. If I do ivtvfbctl -g on I get video, but it's gone the next time I go back to the myth gui. Any pointers? |
| [21:54:14] | ShiftyPowers: | yea |
| [21:54:21] | ShiftyPowers: | might be missing libGL.so |
| [21:54:24] | ShiftyPowers: | but no idea how to get it |
| [21:54:27] | ShiftyPowers: | it's worked before |
| [21:54:31] | ShiftyPowers: | something must have uninstalled |
| [21:54:42] | |Torg|: | not might ShiftyPowers you ar SPCIFCLY missing it |
| [21:54:54] | ShiftyPowers: | well that :) |
| [21:55:08] | |Torg|: | SPECIFICLY the makefile asked to pomile with -lGL that means it NEEDS libGL.so |
| [21:55:56] | |Torg|: | whats broken is the merge of mythtv-vid into the trunk |
| [21:56:13] | |Torg|: | you used to be able to compile wihtout xv and without opengl, not anymore |
| [21:57:04] | ShiftyPowers: | ahhhhh |
| [21:57:23] | jblack: | I'm surprised configure isn't testing for it |
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| [21:59:17] | |Torg|: | jblack as am I , I know for a fact if you --disbale it, the compile with fail |
| [21:59:50] | |Torg|: | it also does not check to see if you are missing -dev packages related to both |
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| [22:21:37] | ShiftyPowers: | fack, this is annoying |
| [22:21:39] | ShiftyPowers: | can't get aroudn this error |
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| [22:22:03] | Yahooadam: | use the ubuntu package instead of building it ? |
| [22:22:04] | ShiftyPowers: | weird |
| [22:22:05] | ShiftyPowers: | now it works |
| [22:22:11] | ShiftyPowers: | just had to run ./configure again |
| [22:22:13] | ShiftyPowers: | it's compiling |
| [22:22:15] | Yahooadam: | why are you compiling it anyway ? |
| [22:22:15] | ShiftyPowers: | weird |
| [22:22:26] | ShiftyPowers: | oh no |
| [22:22:28] | ShiftyPowers: | there's the error |
| [22:22:32] | ShiftyPowers: | i'm compinign just cause |
| [22:22:37] | ShiftyPowers: | haqven't in a couple of months |
| [22:22:52] | Yahooadam: | why not use the ubuntu package ? |
| [22:23:07] | ShiftyPowers: | http://www.pastebin.ca/690927 |
| [22:23:09] | ShiftyPowers: | that's the error |
| [22:23:14] | ShiftyPowers: | i've been using SVN for a very long time |
| [22:23:29] | ShiftyPowers: | helps me learn slowly about how to deal with linux |
| [22:24:08] | Yahooadam: | fair enough |
| [22:24:12] | Yahooadam: | well a quick google on that error |
| [22:24:15] | |Torg|: | its not teaching you how to deal with Linux |
| [22:24:16] | Yahooadam: | somone said "I have installed 'libsdl1.2-dev' and BMax works again!!!" |
| [22:24:25] | |Torg|: | its teachign you how to use ld |
| [22:24:38] | |Torg|: | and I have already told you, twice in fact, what was causing it |
| [22:24:56] | ShiftyPowers: | eah i saw that one too Yahooadam tried i9nstalling it |
| [22:24:58] | ShiftyPowers: | didn't work |
| [22:25:11] | ShiftyPowers: | |Torg|, you told me what i'm missing |
| [22:25:16] | ShiftyPowers: | but how to solve it is another issue |
| [22:25:23] | |Torg|: | go install whatever -dev pacakge it contains |
| [22:25:36] | |Torg|: | I run Debina, its not so much differnt that you cant get clues as what to look for |
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| [22:25:44] | |Torg|: | hell I even pasted teh ubu link that shows it |
| [22:25:54] | |Torg|: | you SPECIFCLY want a file called libGL.so |
| [22:26:04] | |Torg|: | it belongs to MY mesa dev files |
| [22:26:25] | ShiftyPowers: | ok, i'll try agan |
| [22:26:27] | ShiftyPowers: | again |
| [22:26:30] | ShiftyPowers: | thanks for hte help |
| [22:26:31] | slide_: | Ok, so i read that us tv feed is no longer active, what can i use now thats free? |
| [22:26:56] | Yahooadam: | slide_ goodwill ? |
| [22:27:08] | Yahooadam: | but seriously, there isnt a free system anymore |
| [22:27:15] | slide_: | dang ok |
| [22:27:28] | Yahooadam: | schedules direct is the replacement |
| [22:27:32] | |Torg|: | and your about 2 weeks late, did everything just show up with no progrms and you just noticed? |
| [22:27:38] | Yahooadam: | but u have to pay, and currently its a bit expensive |
| [22:27:52] | slide_: | |Torg|, nah, i just re-setup my box (its been down since i moved) |
| [22:27:58] | |Torg|: | expensive my ass, but I guess thats your opinion |
| [22:28:30] | slide_: | need to get it ready for premiere week!!! |
| [22:28:38] | |Torg|: | go pay $15 and get SD |
| [22:28:44] | Yahooadam: | $5/mo ... well i dunno |
| [22:28:52] | Yahooadam: | to me thats hardly an insubstantial amount of money |
| [22:28:56] | Yahooadam: | but i guess its not that much |
| [22:29:12] | slide_: | yea me too, i have $23 in my bank account atm lol |
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| [22:29:40] | Yahooadam: | when their aiming to charge $20/yr, $5/mo is expensive :p |
| [22:29:57] | floppyears: | hi guys, I have 1 machine that is a backend&frontend, and another machine that is just a frontend. does the version of the 2nd frontend need to match the version of the other backend/frontend machine ? |
| [22:30:05] | Yahooadam: | yes |
| [22:30:52] | floppyears: | thanks Yahooadam |
| [22:31:13] | jams: | floppyears- the answer is yes, but really only the protocal needs to match |
| [22:32:04] | floppyears: | so when I compile from source, do I need to specify to just compile the frontend ? or will it always compile both ? since the 2nd machine is just going to be a frontend |
| [22:32:28] | jams: | it will always compile both |
| [22:32:42] | |Torg|: | you cant stop it from compiling both, not anymore |
| [22:33:03] | |Torg|: | you used to be able too but too many people were screwing up the compiles |
| [22:33:26] | Yahooadam: | howcome ubuntu has a frontend only package ? :S |
| [22:33:45] | |Torg|: | becase someone took the time to disect it out |
| [22:34:08] | Yahooadam: | ah :p |
| [22:34:12] | |Torg|: | you can simply jsut package it witht eh bianies from one, the only real think they have in common are the libs |
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| [22:34:44] | |Torg|: | I simply install both and only run one |
| [22:35:01] | floppyears: | thanks guys |
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| [22:41:01] | Fesha: | IMDB crashes mythTV I figured out how to fix it by clearing the country and genre thing, but I have alot of movies that I want the IMDB info for, and I was wondering if there was a way to fix it only once so I don't have to clear them each time a do a few. |
| [22:42:05] | Anduin: | Fesha: IMDB searched should never crash |
| [22:42:08] | Anduin: | s |
| [22:44:31] | Fesha: | it dosent crash but when I exit out of the video manager, MythTV crashes. I think that is mainly a ubuntu issue with mythTV |
| [22:45:28] | MaverickTech: | what version of ubuntu ? |
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| [22:45:46] | MaverickTech: | and what version of myth ? |
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| [22:47:04] | Fesha: | 7.04 and 0.20 |
| [22:47:37] | slide_: | Is there a guide for setting up schedulesdirect? |
| [22:48:37] | Fesha: | I havent played with guide, My TV tuner isnt supported so I need a new card first |
| [22:49:19] | Anduin: | Fesha: Do you know which 0.20 revision? |
| [22:52:05] | Fesha: | No sorry my spouse did most of the set-up stuff, during the weekend, |
| [22:52:21] | Anduin: | Fesha: The only issue I know of close to the one you seem to be having was with ATI + fglrx and a long time ago. |
| [22:53:21] | Yahooadam: | mysqldump -u backup -p ***** --add-drop-table --all-databases |
| [22:53:22] | Fesha: | ummm... okay,well thanx anyways |
| [22:53:27] | Yahooadam: | whats wrong with my syntax :S |
| [22:53:28] | adante: | good old mythbackend |
| [22:53:29] | adante: | still leakin! |
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| [22:58:34] | Yahooadam: | nvm got it :p |
| [22:58:42] | Yahooadam: | cant be a space between -p and *** |
| [22:59:05] | Fesha: | that command just backs up all the databases...I am already doing that, but everytime I find more IMDB stuff for my movies I still need to clear those tables, I was just hoping for a way,that I only have to do it once instead of every time |
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| [23:01:59] | Anduin: | Fesha: Each search you do will add to those tables, so no you can't just do it once. The real solution is to fix the real cause. |
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| [23:02:21] | Anduin: | Fesha: Did you install from packages? |
| [23:03:09] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: I use "mysqldump -u backup --opt mythconverg | bzip2 > mythconverg.sql.bz2" |
| [23:03:12] | Fesha: | no, I belive it is a uncomplete install,but my spouse, likes this install |
| [23:03:36] | fryfrog: | I set the "backup" account to be localhost only and have no password (if it was stored in clear text, wtfbbq anyway?) |
| [23:03:37] | Yahooadam: | whats better about bz2 ? |
| [23:03:39] | Anduin: | Fesha: Are you using an ATI card? |
| [23:03:52] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: have you looked at a mysqldump? It can be like 50mb of *text* |
| [23:04:03] | fryfrog: | which compresses down to like... 3–5mb in bzip2 |
| [23:04:03] | Yahooadam: | i mean over bzip :p |
| [23:04:06] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [23:04:12] | fryfrog: | i dunno if there is even a bzip1 :) |
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| [23:04:17] | Yahooadam: | ./shrug |
| [23:04:21] | fryfrog: | normally i hear of "gzip" and "bzip2" |
| [23:04:25] | Yahooadam: | im using |bzip > backup.sql.bz |
| [23:04:27] | fryfrog: | (or zip, rar, etc) |
| [23:04:32] | Yahooadam: | doh |
| [23:04:34] | fryfrog: | i bet bzip and bzip2 are the same |
| [23:04:35] | Yahooadam: | im using gzip >_< |
| [23:04:42] | fryfrog: | ah, gzip is good too |
| [23:04:44] | ** Yahooadam is *n00b* ** | |
| [23:05:02] | fryfrog: | as long as you compress it some, i don't think the 0.5–2mb diff between gzip and bzip2 will matter at such a small scale :) |
| [23:05:08] | Yahooadam: | which is better gzip or bz2 ? |
| [23:05:14] | fryfrog: | typically, bzip2 |
| [23:05:28] | fryfrog: | i've not ever seen gzip outperform bzip2, but i suppose in theory it coudl happen |
| [23:05:35] | |Torg|: | what do you want speed or compression? |
| [23:05:37] | fryfrog: | i think bzip2 and 7z are the "strongest" |
| [23:05:48] | fryfrog: | but again, for compressing 50mb of db dumps, gzip is fine |
| [23:06:05] | fryfrog: | i think a gzipped db dump would be like 6mb and bzip2 of the same thing would be 5mb |
| [23:06:07] | Fesha: | umm, like I said my spouse set up this DVR during the weekend I wasnt here I dont know what card is in it |
| [23:06:08] | fryfrog: | so... who cares? :) |
| [23:06:36] | Yahooadam: | size im guessing |torg| |
| [23:06:51] | Yahooadam: | i just deleted a file in winscp and apparently the wrong one |
| [23:06:56] | fryfrog: | I use rsnapshot and a script to make hourly/daily/weekly/etc backups on my system, so a few mb can't hurt |
| [23:06:57] | Yahooadam: | and i dont know what i deleted :'( |
| [23:06:57] | Anduin: | Fesha: You can lspci | grep VGA |
| [23:07:11] | fryfrog: | winscp have logs? |
| [23:07:29] | Yahooadam: | trying to find out |
| [23:07:34] | Anduin: | Fesha: that or peek at your xorg.conf file |
| [23:08:13] | |Torg|: | bzip usualy beats gzip about 2:1 in size wher as gzip is about 4x as fast |
| [23:08:17] | Yahooadam: | its not enabled by standard >_< |
| [23:08:32] | |Torg|: | depends GREATLY on waht you are bzippikg most dramtic is text, like sql, Its ideal for that |
| [23:08:59] | |Torg|: | gzip can compress about 5:1 where as bzip about 10:1 |
| [23:09:06] | fryfrog: | is it that significant? |
| [23:09:09] | Fesha: | meh, hold on, it is a DVR syytem hooked up with a remote so I am gonna have to VNC into it, and my network is slow. |
| [23:09:14] | fryfrog: | imma see how it does on my db, just for shits and giggles |
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| [23:09:25] | Yahooadam: | bzip2 beat gzip on my sql backup |
| [23:09:30] | Yahooadam: | by about 2mb |
| [23:09:34] | Nik_Doof: | in svn, what method does the experimental setting use for commflagging? |
| [23:09:43] | |Torg|: | a 3GB dump will be about 300M bzipeed, about 600M gziped |
| [23:09:48] | |Torg|: | is that significant enough? |
| [23:10:00] | Yahooadam: | :p |
| [23:11:46] | Yahooadam: | bah |
| [23:11:51] | Yahooadam: | $date doesnt work in bash >_< |
| [23:12:06] | |Torg|: | `date` does :P |
| [23:12:08] | Yahooadam: | mysqldump -u backup -p***** --add-drop-table --all-databases |bzip2 > backup_$date.sql.bz2 |
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| [23:12:52] | Yahooadam: | -bash: backup_`date`.sql.bz2: ambiguous redirect |
| [23:13:02] | iamben: | ${date +%d-%m-%y} |
| [23:13:12] | iamben: | for something nicer, and without spaces |
| [23:13:13] | |Torg|: | umm date will give you a FULL date |
| [23:13:19] | |Torg|: | im sure you didnt want spaces |
| [23:13:36] | Yahooadam: | backup_${date +%d-%m-%y}.sql.bz2: bad substitution |
| [23:13:54] | iamben: | oops |
| [23:14:09] | |Torg|: | export date=`date "+%d-%m-%y"` |
| [23:14:21] | iamben: | those are sposed to be parentheses not curlies =) |
| [23:14:41] | iamben: | anyway double oops, we americans do %m-%d-%y |
| [23:15:09] | Yahooadam: | parentheses being ? :p |
| [23:15:19] | Yahooadam: | and im english :p |
| [23:15:26] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: beat by 2M here, not a very significant amount compared to 50M to start :) |
| [23:15:28] | Yahooadam: | and i prefer to do Y M D |
| [23:15:40] | fryfrog: | I do Y M D for file naming too, makes sorting nice |
| [23:15:43] | Yahooadam: | as it sorts by name better |
| [23:15:46] | Yahooadam: | :p |
| [23:15:49] | fryfrog: | is that any specific format? |
| [23:15:55] | iamben: | $(date +%Y-%m-%d) |
| [23:15:57] | fryfrog: | eu is d m y, right? |
| [23:16:02] | Yahooadam: | yeah |
| [23:16:04] | iamben: | for 2007-9–10 |
| [23:16:16] | iamben: | i can't communicate today |
| [23:16:35] | Yahooadam: | there we go iamben :) |
| [23:16:37] | Yahooadam: | that works :) |
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| [23:17:02] | iamben: | typing, face to face, and on the phone, im worthless today |
| [23:17:04] | |Torg|: | forget teh date tho, just rotate them |
| [23:17:21] | clever: | this is odd |
| [23:17:23] | |Torg|: | if you want to know the date type ls -l "{ |
| [23:17:29] | clever: | im getting video breakup |
| [23:17:41] | Yahooadam: | mm |
| [23:17:46] | clever: | (blocks of the compressed video are lost and scrambled on screen for a few sec)' |
| [23:17:56] | clever: | like its droping frames |
| [23:18:00] | Yahooadam: | maybe do a backup once a week, and a daily rotation |
| [23:18:05] | clever: | been getting it alot this week |
| [23:18:10] | |Torg|: | one a week? hell try once a day |
| [23:18:17] | |Torg|: | every hour is nice too if your parniod like me |
| [23:18:23] | clever: | im on raw analog cable(right into the tv) |
| [23:18:29] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: you heard of rsnapshot? |
| [23:18:31] | clever: | mythtv isnt in the loop atm |
| [23:18:43] | fryfrog: | it uses rsync and hardlinks to do a sort of backup |
| [23:18:53] | Yahooadam: | cant say i have fryfrog |
| [23:18:55] | fryfrog: | it uses only the space of one full backup and then just adds the "changes" |
| [23:19:00] | |Torg|: | mysql replicaiton? |
| [23:19:03] | Yahooadam: | ah |
| [23:19:05] | fryfrog: | so, like for example my website is about 20G (of pictures) |
| [23:19:10] | Yahooadam: | it does incremental backups |
| [23:19:28] | fryfrog: | I have a full copy on my raid5 that is 20G, then each "day" (or week, or month) is only the difference between that and what changed |
| [23:19:34] | fryfrog: | so 100mb or 200mb or so |
| [23:19:41] | fryfrog: | but it isn't *really* backups |
| [23:19:48] | Yahooadam: | ah does it do it in seperate files |
| [23:19:49] | |Torg|: | incrimental and differntials suck |
| [23:19:51] | fryfrog: | it just kind of creates a copy on the filesystem linking to itself |
| [23:19:58] | |Torg|: | incrimentasl means two restores |
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| [23:20:06] | |Torg|: | differntials means multiple restores |
| [23:20:07] | fryfrog: | it is more like a way of going back in time, live on the filesystem |
| [23:20:10] | Yahooadam: | depends if you update your full backup |
| [23:20:17] | Yahooadam: | or if you make a new file with the changes |
| [23:20:18] | |Torg|: | a full backup dosnt take that muc, just do it |
| [23:20:19] | fryfrog: | ie, the backups aren't going to tape or cd or anyhthing |
| [23:20:30] | |Torg|: | I backup to a raid5 array |
| [23:20:32] | iamben: | |Torg|: it takes a lot if you are doing it daily |
| [23:20:34] | fryfrog: | you just have a ".snapshot" dir somewhere with a copy of your file system |
| [23:20:46] | |Torg|: | I do it daily, at 2AM, finsihed about 4ish |
| [23:20:51] | fryfrog: | so i can go back to yesterday and say "oops, i really want that file from /etc" |
| [23:21:05] | |Torg|: | about the only thing I cant do is BMR |
| [23:21:10] | iamben: | when i worked at my univ, we had incrementals daily and full weekly, i think we kept backups up to 3 months old or so |
| [23:21:11] | fryfrog: | MBR? |
| [23:21:12] | |Torg|: | mostly becase I dont back up entire systems |
| [23:21:19] | |Torg|: | Bare Metal Restore |
| [23:21:28] | fryfrog: | ah, that is a solaris or netbackup thing, isn't it? |
| [23:21:33] | |Torg|: | i.e. pop in a boot thing, maybe boot -net and let it run |
| [23:21:38] | fryfrog: | i just store files, i could care less about OS and apps |
| [23:21:44] | |Torg|: | its a backup term I think coined by netbackup |
| [23:21:48] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [23:21:50] | |Torg|: | so it would be a Vertias term :) |
| [23:21:58] | fryfrog: | ah, thought i recognized it |
| [23:22:10] | |Torg|: | im pretty sure Legato uses it too, or similar |
| [23:22:30] | |Torg|: | I dont do DR/BCP anymore, I sell SRM stuff |
| [23:22:33] | fryfrog: | I do go to extreme measures in hopes of not losing data though :) |
| [23:22:36] | |Torg|: | but I know what it DOES at least |
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| [23:22:44] | fryfrog: | my FS runs on RAID1, the backups of it goto a RAID5 array |
| [23:22:58] | |Torg|: | my FS runs on plain ol disk, not reaided |
| [23:22:58] | fryfrog: | I need to burn off the important stuff to DVD again though :( |
| [23:23:07] | fryfrog: | er, FS |
| [23:23:09] | fryfrog: | i meant OS |
| [23:23:21] | fryfrog: | F and O aren't near eachother, dunno why i said FS :P |
| [23:23:21] | |Torg|: | my backups go to a 2TB array same as I used to use for myth, now just 3x 500G dirves on storage groups |
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| [23:23:31] | Fesha: | No, PCI |
| [23:23:39] | fryfrog: | how can it be 2TB if it is 3x 500G drives? |
| [23:23:52] | |Torg|: | no no USED to use the 5x 500G 2TB array |
| [23:23:59] | fryfrog: | ahhhhh |
| [23:24:00] | |Torg|: | took array off myth, bought three more 500G disk |
| [23:24:05] | fryfrog: | gotcha |
| [23:24:09] | |Torg|: | set in 3x disk and use raid now for backups :) |
| [23:24:22] | fryfrog: | RAID5 I assume? |
| [23:24:23] | |Torg|: | am looking to kill the set and add two more dirves, thats an array rebuild tho |
| [23:24:25] | fryfrog: | not raid1 w/ hotspare? |
| [23:24:36] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: if raid5, you can grow it live |
| [23:24:44] | fryfrog: | I recently added 1 drive to my 5 drive RAID5 |
| [23:24:48] | |Torg|: | not really, but ok :) |
| [23:24:51] | fryfrog: | works real well, live, w/o any data loss |
| [23:25:12] | |Torg|: | I want to get it off xfs too, its dog slow |
| [23:25:14] | fryfrog: | assuming you are talking linux kernel software raid |
| [23:25:20] | fryfrog: | really? |
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| [23:25:25] | fryfrog: | what is slow about it? |
| [23:25:29] | |Torg|: | im talking linux kernel hardware assided raid |
| [23:25:36] | |Torg|: | its a highpoiint card, called fakeraid |
| [23:25:45] | fryfrog: | oh, and you let *it* do the raid? :/ |
| [23:25:51] | |Torg|: | the write times are in the dirt as slow as one disk |
| [23:26:03] | fryfrog: | you sure that is xfs and not raid5? |
| [23:26:07] | |Torg|: | no :P |
| [23:26:14] | fryfrog: | my write speed on raid5 isn't anyhthing to write home about :( |
| [23:26:27] | fryfrog: | guess the only way is to find out |
| [23:26:39] | fryfrog: | but if you don't already know about it, xfs_fsr -v is useful, perhaps |
| [23:26:42] | |Torg|: | its a backup array, its faster this those slow ass DLTs I used to use, and I cant back hitch the array :) |
| [23:26:58] | fryfrog: | it reduces ?extants? which can make deletes slow |
| [23:27:05] | |Torg|: | yes, it shows like 80% fragmentaion last time took about 3 hours to defreag |
| [23:27:19] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [23:27:29] | fryfrog: | i think i have xfs_fsr set to run daily by cron or something |
| [23:27:31] | |Torg|: | anywyas its dinner time, and this is a myth channel not a hwo to make a poor mans backup system :) |
| [23:27:33] | fryfrog: | i should, if i don't :p |
| [23:27:41] | fryfrog: | its an anything channel! |
| [23:27:43] | fryfrog: | enjoy your dinner :) |
| [23:28:24] | Yahooadam: | how can i get linux to report the time it thinks it is ? |
| [23:28:32] | fryfrog: | "date" |
| [23:28:40] | Yahooadam: | :p |
| [23:28:41] | Yahooadam: | ty :) |
| [23:28:45] | fryfrog: | np :) |
| [23:28:58] | fryfrog: | you'd think "time" would make sense... but no, it doesn't do what you think! |
| [23:29:16] | Yahooadam: | yeah i discovered that :p |
| [23:31:51] | Yahooadam: | would ln -sf ../usr/share/zoneinfo/your/zone /etc/localtime |
| [23:31:56] | Yahooadam: | be correct on ubuntu ? |
| [23:32:12] | Yahooadam: | to set my timezone |
| [23:32:17] | iamben: | depends on what dir you're currently in.. |
| [23:32:46] | iamben: | assuming you are in /etc, that is correct =) |
| [23:32:48] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: I think you should use an Ubuntu tool to do it personally |
| [23:32:55] | fryfrog: | dunno what that is though :( |
| [23:33:01] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [23:33:03] | Yahooadam: | helpful :p |
| [23:33:07] | fryfrog: | probably just right click on the time in the gnome desktop |
| [23:33:13] | fryfrog: | "change data & time" or something |
| [23:33:29] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [23:33:36] | Yahooadam: | yeah that assumes that i have gnome installed :p |
| [23:33:44] | floppyears: | so the backend and frotend will be in the same subnet. are there any tips on making sure that the speed of transfering data is good enough for smooth watching of recorded shows & live tv ? |
| [23:33:44] | fryfrog: | in the normal, default ubuntu desktop, right click on the date/time and choose "change date and time" |
| [23:33:52] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: how could you avoid it? |
| [23:33:58] | fryfrog: | server or minimal install of ubuntu? |
| [23:33:58] | Yahooadam: | ubuntu server cd :p |
| [23:34:20] | fryfrog: | floppyears: are you doing SD or HD? is the network 10mbit, 100mbit, 1000mbit or wireless of some form? |
| [23:34:31] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: ah, good luck then |
| [23:34:35] | floppyears: | fryfrog: sd and the network is cat5 |
| [23:34:45] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: i think i tried that at first, but realized i might as well go the whole thing |
| [23:34:51] | fryfrog: | cat5 can do 10mbit, 100mbit, 1000mbit |
| [23:34:57] | fryfrog: | what speed? |
| [23:35:01] | fryfrog: | well, anyway... |
| [23:35:02] | floppyears: | 100mbit |
| [23:35:07] | fryfrog: | SD can go on 10mbit no problemmo |
| [23:35:23] | fryfrog: | SD is like 2.2mbit / sec by default, which is uhhhh i suck at math :p |
| [23:35:29] | fryfrog: | like half a megabyte a second? |
| [23:35:38] | floppyears: | thanks fryfrog |
| [23:35:42] | Yahooadam: | ./8 for MB |
| [23:35:52] | Yahooadam: | so .275MB/s |
| [23:35:58] | fryfrog: | 275k/sec, so uh, .27mb/sec |
| [23:36:03] | floppyears: | fryfrog: I thought that only cat6 could do 1000mbit |
| [23:36:04] | fryfrog: | ah, he is much teh faster than me :) |
| [23:36:15] | Yahooadam: | no Cat5E can do gigabit |
| [23:36:22] | Yahooadam: | if you terminate it correctly |
| [23:36:26] | fryfrog: | floppyears: well, i have lots of cat5 and the only thing i had to do was wire up all 8 wires (instead of the 4 needed for 100mbit) |
| [23:36:39] | fryfrog: | course, I only get about 300mbit out of my 1000mbit network :) |
| [23:36:47] | fryfrog: | thats still 3x better than 100mbit though |
| [23:36:55] | Yahooadam: | and aslong as you dont unwrap more then like 2 twists its ok |
| [23:37:01] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [23:37:01] | Yahooadam: | :o |
| [23:37:06] | floppyears: | oh, ok |
| [23:37:08] | Yahooadam: | why do u only get 300 mbit ? |
| [23:37:19] | fryfrog: | maybe cause i don't use jumbo frames? |
| [23:37:35] | fryfrog: | i never really looked hard into it, 30mb/sec over network was fine with me |
| [23:37:43] | Yahooadam: | im so glad i got linked to jumbo frames the other day :p |
| [23:37:46] | fryfrog: | could have even been hard drives on either end slowing it down |
| [23:37:50] | iamben: | could also be that your disks suck |
| [23:37:52] | Yahooadam: | true |
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| [23:38:14] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: I don't think my switch supports jumbo frames, plus I'm not sure what happens when you use jumbo frames and have some 100mbit or wireless on the same network |
| [23:38:15] | Yahooadam: | i just spent like £100 getting gigabit equipment >_< |
| [23:38:17] | iamben: | 300mbit = 37.5MB/s right? |
| [23:38:18] | BULLE: | fryfrog: around here, SD streams are a few megabits per second |
| [23:38:20] | fryfrog: | i swear i read that the 100mbit stuff don't like it |
| [23:38:39] | Yahooadam: | theoretically yes iamben |
| [23:38:44] | fryfrog: | iamben: your math sounds right on, its been a while since i did a speed test |
| [23:38:57] | Yahooadam: | dont forget, 1000mbit is 500 up 500 down |
| [23:39:03] | fryfrog: | It was lower than my write speed to my raid5 array, but higher than what i got before i moved to 1000mbit |
| [23:39:07] | iamben: | Yahooadam: it is? |
| [23:39:12] | iamben: | since when? |
| [23:39:14] | fryfrog: | No, I dont' think it is |
| [23:39:17] | Yahooadam: | im pretty sure it is |
| [23:39:19] | fryfrog: | 1000mbit is full duplex |
| [23:39:28] | BULLE: | Yahooadam: 1000mbit is afaik always full duplex |
| [23:39:36] | fryfrog: | yeah, required to be full duplex too |
| [23:39:43] | iamben: | even if it were half duplex, it would not be split 500/500 always |
| [23:39:44] | fryfrog: | there is no half duplex (or hubs) for 1000mbit |
| [23:40:01] | BULLE: | iamben: indeed |
| [23:40:06] | ** iamben was on half-duplex 10mbit in the dorms a few years ago ** | |
| [23:40:21] | Yahooadam: | hmm |
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| [23:40:42] | fryfrog: | iamben: i'm on 10mbit, half duplex here at *work* |
| [23:40:52] | fryfrog: | crumbelievable |
| [23:40:54] | iamben: | old building? |
| [23:40:58] | Yahooadam: | lmao lol |
| [23:40:59] | fryfrog: | not *that* old |
| [23:41:04] | Yahooadam: | token ring ? :p |
| [23:41:07] | fryfrog: | just a lazy company network team i think |
| [23:41:20] | fryfrog: | Yahooadam: used to be, but i think in the 70s they went to 10mbit half duplex ethernet :p |
| [23:41:29] | fryfrog: | They finally are upgrading though, to 100mbit fd |
| [23:41:34] | Yahooadam: | how the hell do u buy half duplex 10mbit lol |
| [23:41:39] | fryfrog: | because voip and pc traffic can't co-exist on 10mbit hd |
| [23:41:42] | iamben: | the good news when i had 10m half duplex in the dorms was that internet speed was just as fast as the local network |
| [23:41:50] | fryfrog: | iamben: ehhe |
| [23:41:56] | Yahooadam: | ha ha :p |
| [23:42:55] | BULLE: | Yahooadam: once upton a time the price for switches were pretty steep, then you just used hubs |
| [23:43:33] | iamben: | so, speaking of mythtv... anyone got any hints to track down a "prebuffering pause" problem? happens for several seconds every time i start up live tv |
| [23:44:04] | iamben: | BULLE: if you're on a real network with managed switches, they're still quite expensive =) |
| [23:44:24] | floppyears: | how does mythtv compare to a tivo ? |
| [23:44:39] | |Torg|: | myth osnt record what the hell it pleases |
| [23:44:53] | |Torg|: | umm you can watch stuff on a myth box on other system without bastadizing it |
| [23:45:03] | |Torg|: | add disks to it as much as you want, without hacking it |
| [23:45:05] | iamben: | myth cuts commercials! |
| [23:45:55] | Yahooadam: | the mythtv frontend sux :p |
| [23:45:56] | fryfrog: | floppyears: harder to setup :( |
| [23:46:12] | fryfrog: | floppyears: harder to use, potentially, but not that much harder |
| [23:46:14] | |Torg|: | no anoying little logo guy.....umm forget MepO |
| [23:46:28] | floppyears: | what about user interface, responsiveness, etc ? |
| [23:46:32] | fryfrog: | floppyears: hardware costs are more expensive up front, lower or no "monthly" cost (if you don't need to use SD) |
| [23:46:42] | |Torg|: | floppyears your joking right? |
| [23:46:42] | fryfrog: | floppyears: The UI is lightening fast when using a kb |
| [23:46:56] | fryfrog: | floppyears: for me, the remote is what introduces lag |
| [23:47:03] | |Torg|: | a tivo box stacks up commands for you, is unresponsive for MINUTES, not seconds |
| [23:47:05] | fryfrog: | I think it can depend on the remote and/or ir dongle |
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| [23:47:12] | Yahooadam: | IMO, in my frank opinion, the interface isnt as good as Media Center, which is probably similar to a TIVO |
| [23:47:16] | |Torg|: | then it does all those commands at one time, a wonderfull queing system |
| [23:47:29] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: my mythbox will do the same exact thing |
| [23:47:35] | |Torg|: | I have 2 series 1 tivo's |
| [23:47:35] | BULLE: | iamben: nothing like they were when 10mbit hubs were the thing to use |
| [23:47:45] | |Torg|: | they *were* for my dishnet SD |
| [23:47:46] | fryfrog: | Yeah, the Myth UI is *okay* but MCE and Tivo are "nicer" in design |
| [23:47:59] | |Torg|: | they ARE on a shelf in the garrage, I couldnt see wasting electricity on them |
| [23:48:03] | fryfrog: | fortunatly, there are a lot of themes for myth |
| [23:48:09] | |Torg|: | they have lifetime subscritions too |
| [23:48:15] | fryfrog: | sell em on ebay? :) |
| [23:48:24] | |Torg|: | fryfrog Ive thought of that many times :) |
| [23:48:36] | |Torg|: | ther also hacked, im sorta wondering if people would buy it |
| [23:48:41] | fryfrog: | If you have some spare hardware laying around, $100 or less for a TV card to at least *test* myth is worth it |
| [23:48:46] | |Torg|: | the series 1 disnt come with ethernet |
| [23:48:49] | fryfrog: | craigslist prolly better |
| [23:48:58] | fryfrog: | i don't think ebay would let you say they are "hacked" |
| [23:49:13] | |Torg|: | and I cant rember if they have 80G or 120's in them, I think 80s |
| [23:49:17] | Yahooadam: | you can say things like "they have a special feature, email for details" |
| [23:49:22] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [23:49:31] | Yahooadam: | seen that done with chipped xboxs and PS2's |
| [23:49:34] | fryfrog: | craigslist will get you someone local though |
| [23:49:47] | fryfrog: | meet em in person, much harder to be scammed i think |
| [23:49:49] | fryfrog: | i hate ebay |
| [23:49:52] | fryfrog: | and paypal |
| [23:49:58] | |Torg|: | there series 1's tho, how much are they worth |
| [23:50:01] | fryfrog: | though i'll use them for low cost items, begrugingly |
| [23:50:05] | |Torg|: | hell the series 3's are commng out |
| [23:50:07] | fryfrog: | i dunno, what does ebay say? |
| [23:50:22] | Yahooadam: | the UK gets screwed with everything >_< |
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| [23:51:14] | Yahooadam: | price, kewl hardware |
| [23:51:22] | Yahooadam: | civil rights |
| [23:51:43] | |Torg|: | fryfrom 99 cents :P http://cgi.ebay.com/Philips-Series-1-TiVo-Dig . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [23:51:44] | fryfrog: | i hear you can't even have knives :/ |
| [23:51:46] | fryfrog: | or guns |
| [23:51:50] | fryfrog: | ouch, 99 cents??? |
| [23:51:54] | Yahooadam: | nope |
| [23:51:54] | fryfrog: | hardly worth selling :p |
| [23:52:09] | |Torg|: | I was thinkig of taking out eh hdds and using them as boot or os drives |
| [23:52:26] | |Torg|: | maybe give it to one of the kids to use so i dont have to "support" them |
| [23:52:30] | fryfrog: | Any idea how the no knives/guns thing is working out? I've always imagined that if that happened in the US, the only people (mainly) with knives and guns would be crimals (and the police) |
| [23:52:33] | BULLE: | fryfrog: of course yuu can have both guns and knives at home |
| [23:52:33] | Yahooadam: | lol |
| [23:52:43] | fryfrog: | BULLE: in the UK? |
| [23:52:44] | |Torg|: | in the UK only the crimnals have guns |
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| [23:52:50] | BULLE: | fryfrog: yes |
| [23:52:50] | |Torg|: | that and the SAS solders at the airport :P |
| [23:52:54] | BULLE: | fryfrog: with the proper permits etc |
| [23:52:56] | fryfrog: | BULLE: and it is legal? |
| [23:52:57] | Yahooadam: | you cant carry weapons |
| [23:53:00] | BULLE: | fryfrog: mind, not in public places |
| [23:53:03] | fryfrog: | ah, i see, it is a no carry thing |
| [23:53:04] | |Torg|: | shotguns, right? |
| [23:53:11] | Yahooadam: | you cant have proper guns either |
| [23:53:12] | fryfrog: | are you allowed to shoot them, at say firing ranges or hunting? |
| [23:53:14] | BULLE: | |Torg|: ye, shotguns, rifles etc |
| [23:53:16] | Yahooadam: | like shotguns, rifles |
| [23:53:20] | BULLE: | fryfrog: yes |
| [23:53:22] | Yahooadam: | you can use them at firing ranges |
| [23:53:33] | fryfrog: | ah, i guess it isn't as horrible as i thought |
| [23:53:34] | Yahooadam: | but you have to have a permit to keep them, and big ass safe's |
| [23:53:35] | floppyears: | so I set to transcode a show, but after that, the comercials were still there. how can I remove commercials from the recordings ? |
| [23:53:42] | fryfrog: | what happens if you use a weapon in home defense? |
| [23:53:48] | Yahooadam: | your screwed ... |
| [23:53:59] | fryfrog: | floppyears: it isn't automatic because commflagging isn't perfect |
| [23:54:11] | fryfrog: | you need to fire up a recording, hit "e" for edit, then "z" to load the cutlist |
| [23:54:20] | fryfrog: | then, when you transcode, it should nuke the flagged commercials |
| [23:54:29] | fryfrog: | and it *should* do that losslessly |
| [23:54:33] | BULLE: | fryfrog: basicly, pistols/revolvers/automatic weapons etc are all prohibited, their only use is to kill humans |
| [23:54:35] | fryfrog: | in theory, at least, i think |
| [23:54:46] | BULLE: | fryfrog: and you cant carry them around in public places etc |
| [23:54:50] | fryfrog: | pistols and revolvers? |
| [23:54:57] | fryfrog: | i can understand automatic, if you mean full auto? |
| [23:55:03] | BULLE: | fryfrog: yes, full auto |
| [23:55:04] | fryfrog: | or did you mean semi automatic weapons? |
| [23:55:04] | floppyears: | fryfrog: I looked at the cutlist and I selected transcode after that |
| [23:55:12] | BULLE: | fryfrog: you dont hunt with a pistol |
| [23:55:14] | fryfrog: | humm, i'm not sure then floppy :/ |
| [23:55:21] | fryfrog: | no, that is true for sure |
| [23:55:21] | floppyears: | but when I went back after a few hrs, the recording still had commercials, they weren't cut :( |
| [23:55:27] | fryfrog: | pistols are for anti-person |
| [23:55:34] | BULLE: | fryfrog: indeed, so those are banned |
| [23:55:34] | |Torg|: | BULLE ever bow hunt? |
| [23:55:37] | Yahooadam: | we have a CO2 pistol |
| [23:55:43] | fryfrog: | i'm not a big gun freak, nor am i a big gun control freak either |
| [23:55:46] | Yahooadam: | fires .22 pellets i think |
| [23:55:54] | Yahooadam: | sommin like that |
| [23:55:58] | fryfrog: | I think mandatory classes/license for guns would be the better way to go |
| [23:56:00] | BULLE: | |Torg|: well, i dont know about bows, in the uk, in sweden, bows are not under weapon law |
| [23:56:07] | BULLE: | fryfrog: that exist aswell |
| [23:56:10] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [23:56:27] | Yahooadam: | we have a huntsman bow |
| [23:56:28] | |Torg|: | I specifially have had to use my 44 for a boar that my genious cousin shot in the head witha 308 |
| [23:56:31] | Yahooadam: | so i dont think their illegal |
| [23:56:39] | fryfrog: | It seems to me that making laws to control that kind of stuff doesn't work since criminals already disobey the laws |
| [23:56:47] | fryfrog: | I imagine it can cut down on *some* gun related deaths |
| [23:56:47] | Yahooadam: | exactly lol |
| [23:56:51] | fryfrog: | accidents for example |
| [23:56:53] | Yahooadam: | exactly lol :p |
| [23:56:59] | |Torg|: | we use handguns for backup in bow hunting so that your half assed arrow shot dosnt make the anmial suffer for 4 hours bleading to death |
| [23:57:11] | fryfrog: | *maybe* suicide, but i doubt it is as much as you'd think since people can do that any other way they wish |
| [23:57:12] | Yahooadam: | criminals still get guns, so its actually your average person thats at risk |
| [23:57:15] | |Torg|: | I also live in Texas werer are CCW rate is close to 70% |
| [23:57:16] | BULLE: | fryfrog: as most deaths from guns does not come from the traditional criminal, its pretty easy to understand that it cuts down deaths quite a bit |
| [23:57:25] | |Torg|: | we also have 1/16 the gun crime other places in teh US have |
| [23:57:28] | fryfrog: | Concealed Carry Weapon? |
| [23:57:32] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [23:57:37] | BULLE: | fryfrog: you can easily go home and put your pistol in the pocket, and go out, puting your 7.62 rifle on the back, is easily spotted |
| [23:57:47] | fryfrog: | BULLE: true |
| [23:57:51] | BULLE: | fryfrog: most deaths are from accidents, or from domestic violence actualy |
| [23:57:54] | fryfrog: | where do most gun related deaths come from? |
| [23:57:57] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [23:58:07] | BULLE: | fryfrog: eg, not the "traditional" criminal, eg someone breaks into your house |
| [23:58:08] | fryfrog: | so... statistically... i wonder what kills more people |
| [23:58:10] | fryfrog: | cars or guns? |
| [23:58:14] | |Torg|: | fryfrog next time you visit Dallas and that lil old lady is in the left lane pissing you off, remeber the ods are she is packing :) |
| [23:58:14] | Yahooadam: | then again your house is full of lethal weapons |
| [23:58:20] | BULLE: | fryfrog: here its a very simple answear, cars |
| [23:58:21] | Yahooadam: | so guns are hardly a huge risk |
| [23:58:30] | fryfrog: | yeah, here in the US too i'm quite sure |
| [23:58:31] | BULLE: | fryfrog: dunno about where you live |
| [23:58:44] | fryfrog: | That is the thing that always bothers me about guns, terrorists, etc |
| [23:58:54] | fryfrog: | *cars* kill far more people, probably even combined, i would wager |
| [23:59:02] | fryfrog: | but of course, *EVERYONE* needs cars |
| [23:59:06] | Yahooadam: | however you need a car :p |
| [23:59:10] | Yahooadam: | you dont need a gun :p |
| [23:59:10] | |Torg|: | per capita, per car, per about everything |
| [23:59:11] | fryfrog: | exactly :/ |
| [23:59:22] | |Torg|: | umm, I could agur I do |
| [23:59:28] | fryfrog: | cars are deadly :p |
| [23:59:32] | Yahooadam: | plus people use cars far more then guns |
| [23:59:36] | |Torg|: | so is my 2500 :P |
| [23:59:40] | fryfrog: | holey shit, you know what else kills people? |
| [23:59:42] | fryfrog: | old age :/ |
| [23:59:51] | Yahooadam: | therefore, your more likely to die due to a car |
| [23:59:51] | BULLE: | fryfrog: 1999, roughly 18k murders in usa, roughly 40k deaths caused by cars |
| [23:59:52] | fryfrog: | cancer :/ |
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