Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, September 9th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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xris:

and the SD signups just keep pouring in

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Plantain:

xris: It's still white on grey, can't read anything at all

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xris:

Plantain: change themes?

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Plantain:

Can I do that without it being setup?

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** CaptObviousman hungers **

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CaptObviousman:

who here thinks it's time for pizza

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Anduin:

mistone: and while your download size seems about right, I'd look at the data, there should be some channel/program info that should generate messages right around where you see the error.

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mistone:

cool

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mistone:

let me know what you find

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Anduin:

mistone: Mine works :)

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mistone:

:O ?

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mistone:

wait wut

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mistone:

oh right

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iamben:

what kind of setup do i need to be able to use the opengl painter? ive got direct rendering and all that set up, but when i set opengl painter it just gives me a black screen

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mistone:

how do I get tv_grab_na on ubuntu ?

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iamben:

mistone: get the xmltv package probably

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mistone:

OH GOD

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mistone:

lol

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mistone:

so many perl libs to install

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iamben:

yeah its a biggy

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Anduin:

mistone: http://rafb.net/p/u3w8Nx30.html

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mistone:

whats that

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mistone:

the entire script?

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mistone:

I already installed xmltv

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Anduin:

mistone: Just a way that doesn't use tv_grab_na

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mistone:

ah

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mistone:

well I installed the package I still don't have it

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Dagmar:

iamben: If glxgears works, and you see something other than Mesa showing up when you run `glxinfo | grep render` you should be good

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Patina:

mistone: I installed xmltv and have tv_grab_na_dd

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mistone:

ah thanks

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Anduin:

mistone: You will need to replace xxxx yyyy and /tmp/zap2it.data is compressed

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robbins876:

I got one of the new ipod nanos today, it's quite nice

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Anduin:

yeah, or I just didn't remember the na_dd bit

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mistone:

I am just using tv_grab_na_dd

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mistone:

Service description 'http://docs.tms.tribune.com/tech/tmsdatadirect/zap2it/xtvd.wsdl' can't be loaded: 403 Forbidden

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mistone:

:/

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Anduin:

mistone: Looks like an old version

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robbins876:

Anduin, I bought an IBM Thinkpad T61, think it's going to give me much trouble getting fedora 7 installed?

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mistone:

Anduin: ok so I won't use that, I will use your script

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mistone:

I get

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mistone:

./grab_tv: 8: tings/xtvdService: not found

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mistone:

wget: missing URL

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Anduin:

robbins876: No idea

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iamben:

Dagmar: yeah thats what i thought =( when i start X, i see a little flicker of the mythtv theme as it starts converting the theme images, then it goes black

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Anduin:

mistone: Yeah, you need to fix that long line

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mistone:

to what

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mistone:

?

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mistone:

its all varibles

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Anduin:

mistone: You have two lines 7+8 that should be one

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iamben:

Anduin, mistone: fwiw, im following the troubleshooting effort here, i have fetched my listings w/ that script

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mistone:

ok I fixed that issue

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mistone:

now I get 17:13:50 ERROR 404: /schedulesdirect/tvlis.

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iamben:

mistone: that url was supposed to read http://webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadir . . . xtvdService, the line got wrapped, get it?

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mistone:

nope

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mistone:

er

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Anduin:

iamben: You have a good <stations> section at the top?

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mistone:

thats not the url thats in the script :P

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iamben:

Anduin: i believe so, http://rafb.net/p/1GLoRd45.html

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mistone:

wtf

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mistone:

I got garbage

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iamben:

mistone: you need to gunzip it

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iamben:

might have to rename to blah.gz first

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mistone:

yep

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Anduin:

iamben: and programs? anything malformed otherwise (closing tags etc)

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mistone:

yay

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mistone:

its huge and I see descriptions and stuff

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iamben:

Anduin: they look ok to me, http://rafb.net/p/IOIJof65.html

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iamben:

im using a pastebin script so i can pump these rafb pastes out all day =)

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mistone:

:O

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mistone:

I can't even copypasta all this stuff

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mistone:

its so big

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mistone:

and i only have ssh atm

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iamben:

if the file werent so big i'd pastebin the whole thing for analysis

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mistone:

hrrm

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mistone:

well I got a server

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mistone:

but I forgot how to transfer stuff via comand line

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mistone:

oh I know what Ican do

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iamben:

scp localfile.txt user@remoteserver:/path/

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iamben:

but i dunno if theres much more info to be gotten from these xml files, im guessing they are fine

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Anduin:

iamben: anything from xmllint --noout dddatafile

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iamben:

mistone: what version of mythtv are you on? mythbackend --version

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iamben:

no output

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Anduin:

iamben: Which version are you running?

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mistone:

iamben: hellawack.net/zapdata.xml

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mistone:

Library API version : 0.20.20070821–1

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iamben:

Anduin: svn trunk 14450 right now, i know it was also doing it with 14358

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Anduin:

mistone: There are no programs in that fil

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Anduin:

e

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mistone:

Source code version : 14283

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mistone:

how so ?

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mistone:

well thats good I guess

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Anduin:

mistone: <programs></programs>

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mistone:

ok?

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mistone:

thats just what spit out

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Anduin:

mistone: Yes, and a bad thing.

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mistone:

yea

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mistone:

I misread you

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mistone:

I thought yo usaid there are no problems

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mistone:

not programs

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mistone:

:P

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mistone:

ok so I should just report this to schedulesdirect?

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iamben:

oh crap mine works now

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mistone:

wtf

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iamben:

hah

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mistone:

lmao

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mistone:

lol

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iamben:

i swear it wasnt working before!

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mistone:

screw you lol

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Anduin:

mistone: Yes you should report it, or do what iamben did :)

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Plantain:

MythTV doesn't import my channels.conf, does it require something out of the usual scan > channels.conf ?

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mistone:

what did you do

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iamben:

well tbh i did a lot of things, reinstalled mythtv from scratch with a new user and brand new db... but even that didnt seem to work

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mistone:

yep I did the same thing

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iamben:

when you do mythfilldb, are ALL of the wgets successful as far as you can tell?

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iamben:

because i did notice that from time to time mine will throw an error 508 (wierd thing for my proxy, you probably dont get 508) but the grabber continues on as if it got valid data

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xris:

iamben: there've been problems with some TMS data lately.

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robbins876:

Anyone familiar with VMware?

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iamben:

THIS i could see causing trouble

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mistone:

yea I get 401's

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jerickso:

iamben: yours is working now?

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iamben:

well always the 401 on the first try, then the next one should be 200 success

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iamben:

jerickso: yeah, wierd eh?

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jerickso:

sigh

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mistone:

yea

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Anduin:

xris: mistone has data with an empty <programs/>

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iamben:

i wonder if it just took lots and lots of tries for me to finally get good data

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mistone:

no way

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mistone:

that doesn't make any sense

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jerickso:

no joy here

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iamben:

its a good thing i finally got listings, or i wouldnt have known that womens beach volleyball is on

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mistone:

haha

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xris:

Anduin: ok, that's the same thing that other people are seeing

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mistone:

I sumbited a ticket

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Anduin:

xris: Ok, good to know.

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xris:

mistone: ok, or maybe it was just you. but we can apparently replicate it.

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mistone:

yep

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mistone:

I get it everytime

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mistone:

I am using mythbuntu btw

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mistone:

which is kinda disappointing but whatever

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mistone:

it works :P

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iamben:

well once myth is up and running i dont think anyone's gonna know or care whats running behind it

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mistone:

exactly

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mistone:

eh well it sucks this doesn't work but hopefully it will get fixed soon

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mistone:

I am wondering wither I should buy a hd5500

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mistone:

and an antanna

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mistone:

cause it costs alot

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mistone:

and I only get like 9 hd channels

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xris:

mistone: I just use firewire from my cable box. a lot easier than dealing with an antenna. heh

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xris:

and I'd be moving before making up the difference in cost.

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mistone:

hrm

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mistone:

yea I don't think I have HD cable

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mistone:

I just have regular comcast cable

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mistone:

there is no box

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CaptObviousman:

someone mentioned that DVB is difficult to get working

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CaptObviousman:

not on here, a friend of mine that's been running MythTV for years

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CaptObviousman:

but he didn't get a chance to explain before heading out. What's so difficult about it?

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xris:

mistone: yeah. no box is analog.

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mistone:

yea

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xris:

might be worth the upgrade to digital if you can get your SD stuff over firewire, too.

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mistone:

eh

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mistone:

well I might be moving soon so no its not :P

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mistone:

but I just want to grab the hd5500 before the braodcast flag stuff comes into play

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iamben:

im just breaking things left and right today, now my audio doesnt work

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xris:

mistone: I haven't heard of any more attempts to get that passed

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mistone:

oh cool

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MrJackson:

mistone, you'll have a couple HD channels. like the basic networks

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mistone:

yea I know

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mistone:

thats why I want to hold off

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mistone:

I mean thats like 200

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mistone:

more like 300 cause I need a bigger drive

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MrJackson:

ya, hd eats hd space up quick

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** xris goes to find out why his main server just stopped responding. **

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mistone:

lol

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MrJackson:

9gb an hour

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CaptObviousman:

egads!

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CaptObviousman:

I didn't realize it was that bad

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iamben:

how did i kill audio? its set for alsa like it has always been... anyone got any idea?

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CaptObviousman:

I assume MythTV has some way to copy content saved locally onto a network drive without having to do it manually?

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CaptObviousman:

some kind of "archive this show"

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mistone:

iamben: maybe its your speakers?

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jerickso:

iamben: not until I get my schedules issue fixed..

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mistone:

haha yea

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iamben:

mistone: if i open one of the recorded mpg's in mplayer i get sound

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mistone:

oh

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jerickso:

iamben: but in the mean time, have you looked to see if you muted an output?

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iamben:

according to lsof, myth doesnt even have any audio devices open

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: Not really. I think you can copy stuff from "removable drives" (i.e. USB drive or whatever) to MythVideo/MythGallery, but that's about it.

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CaptObviousman:

bah, that sucks

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mistone:

just write a script its linux

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GreyFoxx:

myth will transcode and such to shrink the size

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CaptObviousman:

what about importing ripped DVDs into your myth library? is there an easy way to do that?

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GreyFoxx:

butit wont move it for you

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: Though there's a script that's meant to help you "balance" storage--called myth_archive_job.pl

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: mythdvd will do that

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: myth_archive_job.pl can be run in cron (to move stuff out of recordings dir to another dir) or as a user job

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CaptObviousman:

I'm not afraid of writing scripts and whatnot, but I'm looking to avoid background stuff whenever possible. I'd like to stay in a tv environment whenever possible

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mistone:

write a script that is called from the mythtv menus

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CaptObviousman:

it'd be ideal if I could flag programs from within mythtv to be archived, using this process you're discussing

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sphery:

If you want control of it, you'll either have to create your own plugin or script.

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** CaptObviousman probably will **

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: I do something similar using recording groups

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GreyFoxx:

CaptObviousman: I set a show to "UnWatchArchive"

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: MythArchive can put stuff in DVD's for you (might be able to archive to a DVD ISO in MythVideo dir, but I've never tried)

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GreyFoxx:

and acronjob runs once and hour and flags it for transcode

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CaptObviousman:

I'll just have to poke around and see. I'm not going to be able to build this box until after Christmas anyway

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: Though if writing something more than a "quick script", you should know that things have changed significantly in SVN trunk and you don't want to spend a lot of time on non-Storage-Group-supporting 0.20-fixes version

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CaptObviousman:

hmm

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: But we'd love a UI control to move recordings from one Storage Group to another in SVN trunk... (hint, hint :)

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CaptObviousman:

sphery: I hear you, that's something I really really would like

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: Create an "Archive" storage group ...

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CaptObviousman:

gah, not yet, not yet, I don't even have MythTV yet

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CaptObviousman:

bottle all this up and we'll uncork it New Year's Eve

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mistone:

I think the music plugin should be rewritten

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mistone:

it should be like appletv

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sphery:

Well, there's a good chance the chance to write it will still exist when you get your Myth box up. Captain_Murdoch (Storage Group author) has been busy and the current approach (move the recording externally and don't tell Myth) works well enough, so no one has made it really accessible through the UI. :)

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CaptObviousman:

duly noted

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CaptObviousman:

hmm, something I can do for now is get a DVD ripping setup designed and going

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: BTW, that approach /only/ works with Storage Groups in SVN trunk--not on 0.20-fixes. :)

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CaptObviousman:

what do people here use? (if anything)

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GreyFoxx:

I use latest svn trunk. Usually updating weekly

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GreyFoxx:

though righ now I'm actually using the multirec branch :)

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CaptObviousman:

MythTV does dvd ripping?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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CaptObviousman:

ooo

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mistone:

yea

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CaptObviousman:

how about anime, will it line things up episodically?

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mistone:

to bad I don't have a dvd player lol

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clever:

im planing on sharing the mythtv source dir between several systems

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clever:

atm they are 2 diff releases of the same distro

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clever:

i know the .o files wont be cross compatible

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clever:

so im planing on having the source in $x/src/ and then the build dir's at $x/6.06/ and $x/7.04/

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Plantain:

Where is the actual MythBackend Setup app installed too?

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clever:

then when in the build dir for my distro i use $x/src/configure

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clever:

from what ive seen with other configure scripts the builddir/makefiletree are all put in the cwd not the src dir

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iamben:

Plantain: you mean /usr/bin/mythtv-setup?

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Plantain:

Ahh, thanks

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clever:

any problems i can expect to find?

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mistone:

iamben: you are so lucky lol

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mistone:

:|

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sphery:

CaptObviousman: Ripped DVD's are basically stored for playback in MythVideo. MythVideo has several UI's you can use to sort stuff, but none are like the MythTV episodic views. You could fake it with a directory view and ugly (sorted) filenames.

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sphery:

But, it was designed more for movies.

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directhex:

mythvideo's a real pain for series & episodes

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CaptObviousman:

hmm

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CaptObviousman:

another area that could use some work

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jerickso:

Anduin: you still around?

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CaptObviousman:

those two things are pretty much what I want to nail

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CaptObviousman:

and somehow, I'm not surprised in the slightest that they're not already implemented

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Anduin:

jerickso: sure

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** CaptObviousman is picky like that, I suppose **

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iamben:

did they switch the default audio setup to alsa instead of oss?

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CaptObviousman:

so, sounds like I need to build the file server and set it up for the MythTV backend, then start ripping my DVDs with MythVideo to it

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CaptObviousman:

that at least gives me a target to start with

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jerickso:

Anduin: ended up grabbing that script you posed earlier for mistone. anyhow, the datafile looks ok as far as I can tell. however, xmllint complains about parsing. it looks like some fields were cut off. some & substitution codes are missing the closing ;

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jerickso:

Anduin: as in: zap2it.data:123390: parser error : EntityRef: expecting ';'

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jerickso:

<role>Beretta's Bird Hunter&apo</role>

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directhex:

CaptObviousman, since you're doing anime, you might want to rip things yourself using another app – gives you the opportunity to manage subtitles etc

[01:16:50]

mistone:

I get that to

[01:17:10]

mistone:

jerickso: you get content within the <programs> </programs> tag ?

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Anduin:

jerickso: Are you missing <programs> as well?

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iamben:

jerickso: mine looked perfect when i fetched it... this must have been around time time mine started working again =)

[01:17:52]

CaptObviousman:

MythTV is built on top of mysql, right?

[01:17:57]

Anduin:

jerickso: mine also has the ;

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CaptObviousman:

err, built to use, I should say

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jerickso:

Anduin: well, I have content in there. unfortunately its only 1 program

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jerickso:

that seems suboptimal

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Anduin:

jerickso: Yeah, that isn't good

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mistone:

LOL

[01:18:26]

jerickso:

unless I wanted to record that 60 Minutes episode

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directhex:

CaptObviousman, yeah, i don't think you can use any other DB backend

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jerickso:

[grumble]

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Anduin:

jerickso: Not much to do but wait it seems

[01:18:50]

jerickso:

Anduin: seems that way. alrighty.. thx

[01:18:54]

Anduin:

jerickso: Or try until you get as lucky as iamben

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** CaptObviousman wonders if there are sample DBs **

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jerickso:

Anduin: i don't think I'm that lucky

[01:19:35]

Anduin:

jerickso: xris knew about it so I'm guessing there may be some info on the SD site (I don't do forums so I don't know for certain)

[01:19:48]

iamben:

i break lots of things... and somehow fix a lot of things

[01:19:54]

jerickso:

Anduin: i looked briefly, but I'll go check it out again

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mistone:

iamben: do you know what you changed?

[01:20:08]

mistone:

I mean you must of changed something :P

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directhex:

CaptObviousman, there's the skeleton db you need for it to actually, um, work

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Anduin:

mistone: It is likely the stars simply smiled on him.

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mistone:

lol

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iamben:

mistone: as far as i can tell, nothing changed but the time... i think the bad data is just intermittent

[01:21:05]

jerickso:

Anduin: speaking of not doing forums. I'm surprised anythign that Isaac is involved with has a forum. :)

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iamben:

Anduin: does it seem right to you that even when my proxy returns a 508 error, mythfilldatabase continues as though it got proper data?

[01:21:16]

CaptObviousman:

directhex, I don't follow you

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iamben:

perhaps we need some xml sanity checking here

[01:21:38]

CaptObviousman:

the problem is that I will want any anime I rip to be labelled, stored, and entered into the database like other episodic content

[01:21:48]

CaptObviousman:

like one would record 5 weeks in a row of House or something

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directhex:

CaptObviousman, what use is a sample db? you should *never* be hacking on the database manually, certainly not without it being in a consistent, backed state first

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directhex:

oh. urgh. good luck

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mistone:

I still get DataDirect, Error: UpdateProgramViewTable no dd_state!

[01:22:12]

mistone:

everytime

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CaptObviousman:

you see my dilemma

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jerickso:

Anduin: http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=285

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xris:

mistone: google turn anything up when you search for that string?

[01:22:34]

CaptObviousman:

actually, ripping and cataloging my anime is the original impetuous for this project

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jerickso:

mistone: http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=285

[01:22:45]

mistone:

nope first thing I tried

[01:23:10]

mistone:

yea

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jerickso:

mistone: looks like its confirmed to be bad data coming from the listings source

[01:23:16]

mistone:

theres no solution

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mistone:

lol

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Aval0n:

crazy SD was wrong twice today

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iamben:

buncha noobs!

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jerickso:

mistone: there is a solution.. wait

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directhex:

CaptObviousman, store it in folders, use the correct mythvideo view mode. it's not all that bad

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Anduin:

iamben: Yes, a single failure will not stop the next one.

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directhex:

CaptObviousman, you can still set per-episode metadata and so on

[01:24:16]

iamben:

does anyone know if they changed myth to use alsa by default?

[01:24:28]

directhex:

CaptObviousman, it's just a little painful since the automatic metadata filling relies on imdb, fr'example

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iamben:

Anduin: maybe i should be pointing the finger at wget, it should be retrying on that error rather than returning success

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jerickso:

later all

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Aval0n:

can anyone recommend a good OSD theme that gives all the information like dates and star ratings?>

[01:25:12]

Aval0n:

90% of what I have seen does not

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clever:

sphery: i allready keep my downloaded avi's(shows) sorted by folder so that helps mythvideo a bit

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clever:

sphery: and they are named by showname_episode_crc.avi roughtly so sorting by name works

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Pogonip:

How can I un-install mythtv?

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xris:

Pogonip: how did you install it?

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directhex:

Pogonip, that depends on your distribution

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Pogonip:

make install

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directhex:

with luck, then

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Anduin:

Pogonip: make uninstall

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Anduin:

It isn't perfect

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Pogonip:

Anduin; I tried that and it didn't work.

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directhex:

it's not meant to be

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directhex:

"make" isn't a package manager

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Pogonip:

Can't I just locate the directories under usr and delete?

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directhex:

Pogonip, in /usr? christ

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directhex:

Pogonip, no. generally not. it hasn't made much in the way of directories, it's placed a lot of files though

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xris:

Pogonip: if you compiled by hand, things are probably under /usr/local/

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Anduin:

Pogonip: You can do it manually, though that make uninstall should have removed most of the libs/exe

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directhex:

this is why i always use --prefix=/opt/$appname-$version when relying on "make" for things

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Pogonip:

xris; that is correct, everything seems to be in usr/local.

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Aval0n:

how often are SD listings incorrect?

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xris:

Aval0n: about as often as they were with z2l

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xris:

Pogonip: then you can probably dig through /usr/local/ for files with "myth" in them.

[01:32:44]

Aval0n:

right

[01:32:47]

Aval0n:

how often is that

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Pogonip:

Anduin; Yeah I still don't understand why that didn't work.

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xris:

Aval0n: depends on the lineup. they fix the issues we report.

[01:33:11]

Aval0n:

ahh

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xris:

show times, etc. are accurate, though.

[01:33:23]

xris:

I mean, it's the same data that your local newspaper is using, too

[01:33:30]

Aval0n:

right

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xris:

(well, unless they use gemstar)

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Aval0n:

it said sponge bob was on

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Aval0n:

so I went to put it on for the kids

[01:33:45]

Aval0n:

and it was josh and drake

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Aval0n:

some stupid nick tennie sitcom

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directhex:

at least it wasn't girls gone wild 7

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Aval0n:

lol

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mistone:

lol

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Aval0n:

true that

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Pogonip:

xris; So I can grep myth under usr/local, delete what I find and that should do it right?

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CaptObviousman:

damnit, I wanted to watch GGW

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xris:

Pogonip: assuming you don't accidentally delete something that isn't mythtv, yes.

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Aval0n:

is there a way to edit channel names remotely? via mythweb or console command line?

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iamben:

CaptObviousman: its on live tv?

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xris:

you can blow away /usr/local/share/mythtv first to avoid a lot of extra matches

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directhex:

Aval0n, yes, via mythweb

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xris:

Aval0n: mythweb has a channel editor.

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Aval0n:

hmm I looked before and didn't see where let me check again

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xris:

I need to put some work into making it prettier, though

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CaptObviousman:

if you stay up late enough it is

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CaptObviousman:

just the girls have cute little stars on each nipple

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directhex:

indeed. BEDTIME.

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Aval0n:

xris

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Aval0n:

what's it under I still don't see it

[01:35:49]

Aval0n:

found it

[01:35:54]

Aval0n:

was channel info

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Aval0n:

thnx

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Aval0n:

xris you do great work btw

[01:36:13]

Aval0n:

how old are you

[01:36:17]

Aval0n:

if you don't mind me asking

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CaptObviousman:

he'll be turning 13 in March

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Aval0n:

lol

[01:37:14]

CaptObviousman:

you think I'm joking

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Aval0n:

I know you are

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CaptObviousman:

smartest damn 12 year old I've ever met

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** xris ponders kicking Captain_Murdoch for reversing that 1 and 3.... **

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mistone:

lol

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xris:

Aval0n: 30, at the moment.

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keescook:

anyone else seen problems with "UpdateProgramViewTable no dd_state!" ?

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Pogonip:

CaptObviousman; If he's so smart why is he here with us and not out with a hottie.

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xris:

Pogonip: because she's sitting at her own computer across the room?

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xris:

and I'm ill.

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CaptObviousman:

hmm, phlegmy kisses are the bestest!

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Aval0n:

xris nice

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Anduin:

keescook: Yes: http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=285

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CaptObviousman:

xris, your nick completion keeps tagging someone else =P

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keescook:

Anduin: thanks!

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: oh? I'm the only one here that starts with an x.

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CaptObviousman:

there is no Captain_Murdoch in this thread

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Anduin:

xris: You keep calling CaptObviousman Captain_Murdoch

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mistone:

lol

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Aval0n:

what gets shown on the program guide channel name or call sign

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CaptObviousman:

if this Captain_Murdoch fellow is a clever chap, then color me flattered

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CaptObviousman:

otherwise I'm apt to get offended

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xris:

Anduin: oh, I see...

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Aval0n:

the neccesary evil of nick completion scripts

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xris:

guess I'm too used to typing his nick. heh.

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Aval0n:

xris wow i'de rather use mythwebs chan editor any day even over the backened one

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xris:

Aval0n: it's just a little big.

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Aval0n:

I run a large res on the laptop so it's fine

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Aval0n:

:)

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xris:

some people report issues with PHP not being able to handle that many POST variables when saving.

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xris:

but that's a LOT of channels

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Aval0n:

ahh

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Aval0n:

xris: do you know which gets displayed OSD and program guide, the callsign or channel name

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Aval0n:

wanna make sure I don't do all this work and get them backwards

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clever:

Error processing project file: /media/mainlv/buildmyth/7.04/mythtv.pro

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xris:

Aval0n: not a clue.. but they're completely unrelated fields in the US

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Aval0n:

well KPHO is CBS

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** CaptObviousman heads out for food **

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CaptObviousman:

thanks for suggestions/ideas everyone

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CaptObviousman:

I'll be back

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xris:

Aval0n: no.. cbs is a network, not a station

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Anduin:

Aval0n: There is a setting responsible for that

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xris:

kpho would then be a local network affiliate, with its own channel name

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Anduin:

Aval0n: TV Settings -> General

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Plantain:

Is there a complete list of keyboard controls somewhere? I can't figure out how to get back to the main menu even o_O

[02:17:40]

Anduin:

Plantain: keys.txt comes closest

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mistone:

Plantain: there is also a list of controls you can edit in the settings

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mistone:

in the frontend

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Anduin:

only with MythControls

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Plantain:

heh, I can't even figure out how to get to the menu, let alone settings ;)

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Toxicity999:

Esc always pulls you out of the current sub menu by default

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Anduin:

Plantain: Escape

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Plantain:

Escape just quits it

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bobc:

I have two sound cards and I am only using the second for mythtv. I set mythtv to use alsa with ALSA:usb-audio (usb-audio is set in my asoundrc file), but I found error regarding /dev/mixer in the logs, what should I set the mixer to?

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lwizardl:

Hi

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lwizardl:

I've got my antenna setup and now i'm doing the mythtv setup and need to know a few things

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lwizardl:

the channel freq table i need is what? i'm in the usa

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lwizardl:

would it be bcast (broadcast) ?

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Anduin:

lwizardl: cable?

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lwizardl:

for an roof antenna

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MrJackson:

antenna == bcast

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lwizardl:

k

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lwizardl:

thats what i thought

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Aval0n:

can you get SD to do your QAM digital channels too?

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xris:

Aval0n: should be the same as digital cable.

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xris:

you'd just have to turn off the encrypted stuff you can't tune with mythtv.

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

everything says unknown for me

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Aval0n:

no time slots or anything

[02:55:59]

Aval0n:

weird

[02:56:21]

Aval0n:

maybe I need to add the digital lineup to SD?

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mistone:

are you having th programs issue we are having ?

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Aval0n:

such as?

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Aval0n:

I've had one show be wrong so far

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Aval0n:

actually 2 sorry

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mistone:

http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=285

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rooaus:

Aval0n: I don't use SD as I am in Aus but I heard you need to add a lineup unlike zap

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Aval0n:

ok thanks

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Aval0n:

I don't belive I am having that problem

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Yahooadam:

mah i hate grub

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Aval0n:

xris I am referring to the HD chans that I'm getting

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Aval0n:

my local chans in HD

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Aval0n:

12_2 and so forth

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CaptObviousman:

I'm applying to go back to college in the spring

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Aval0n:

I don't know if cox digital even gives you that

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CaptObviousman:

so a good chunk of my christmas bonus will go towards that

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CaptObviousman:

bleah, wrong channel sorry

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kdubya:

HAHA

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xris:

Aval0n: yeah. the numbers are the same whether you're using clear qam or grabbing from a cable box. if SD doesn't have the data, it's a bug with TMS, and you can report it via the "lineup issues" form at SD.

[03:04:47]

Aval0n:

xris: sorry man I'm such a noob when it comes to myth I just barely got my system up and going

[03:04:50]

Aval0n:

just tweaking it now

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Aval0n:

I used the QAM256 scanner and I am getting some SD and HD chans digitally

[03:05:18]

Aval0n:

when I look at the cox digital lineup on SD I don't see any chans that represent 10_2 and so on

[03:05:42]

Aval0n:

should I do Local Broadcast Listings – Antenna

[03:05:47]

Aval0n:

since I'm just interested in the locs?

[03:06:35]

Aval0n:

locals*

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Plantain:

Hey, I still haven't got this figured out, hitting esc kills the whole app rather than taking me back to the Main Menu

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. Mythmusic doesn't seem to want to play any music of mine with an umlat in the filename... is this intentional?

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mistone:

Plantain: sometimes it gets stuck just press it once

[03:13:19]

Plantain:

mistone: Even with a really light quick tap, just quits instantly

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mistone:

:/

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Aval0n:

sounds like a fubar

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Aval0n:

I'de reinstall

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Aval0n:

it's supposed to prompt before exit anyway

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Yahooadam:

yeah that too :p

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Aval0n:

2 esc would ask for a confirm for exit then a cancel

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Yahooadam:

sounds fsked to me too

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Aval0n:

so right back to main menu

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Aval0n:

you should be able to hold esc down and just see the menu come up and close in a loop

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Plantain:

Sometimes with a quick tap it'll get rid of the OSD, but no asking about quit or anything

[03:14:45]

Yahooadam:

have you tried loading it from the console, perhaps there is a message that would explain why it quits when you hit esc ?

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Aval0n:

plantain that sounds hosed man

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Plantain:

Yeah, I'm running from console

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Plantain:

last message is 2007-09–09 12:43:43.904 TV: Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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Plantain:

I might compile from SVN, is that such a crazy idea?

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lwizardl:

used bcast for the channel freq table and when i go to watch tv i get a black screen for a min then goes back to mythtv menu

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mistone:

LOL

[03:18:09]

mistone:

I am not getting that error now

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mistone:

thats so wierd

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mistone:

I think my schedules are working now

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Yahooadam:

where does mysql store its data ?

[03:19:15]

mistone:

haha

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zo0m:

O_o

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mistone:

let me it this way : there should be absolutly no reason for you to know :P

[03:20:00]

mistone:

unless you really really really need a few extra megs

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Yahooadam:

my computer wont boot from sda1 so i cant run the mysql program to access the db ?

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Aval0n:

I asked this earlier, but seems like more ppl are online atm. Is there a way to make an OSD theme display the FULL info on the channel? i.e. star rating and release year...

[03:20:38]

Aval0n:

on program guide and mythweb I get that

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Aval0n:

but on 'I' info, it does not show up

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Aval0n:

I found 1 OSD theme that does but it's huge and ugly

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mistone:

Aval0n: um look at the source of the OSD

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Aval0n:

yeah, I hear ya

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Aval0n:

who knows if I could even make it show up right if at all

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Yahooadam:

god i fucking hate grub

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Yahooadam:

it never bloody works

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mistone:

:O

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mistone:

grub has been good to me

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Aval0n:

and I

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Yahooadam:

not for me

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rooaus:

Aval0n: About the OSD, not that I know of. I believe they are available as theme elements but seems most theme developers leave them off due to lack of room I guess.

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Yahooadam:

this is like the 3rd time its broken, plus i tried installing on a USB hdd that never worked cos of grub

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Aval0n:

rooaus that's a bummer

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Aval0n:

it's really not that much more data

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Aval0n:

could easily fit

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zo0m:

i doubt it was grub itself, but a bad config

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Yahooadam:

you could make your own theme to do it ;)

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Yahooadam:

or modify the theme

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Aval0n:

hehe

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Yahooadam:

well currently, it hits my boot drive, then i just get a _ in the top left

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zo0m:

lol

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt even say "loading stage 1.5" or anything

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zo0m:

replace it with lilo? :)

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rooaus:

Aval0n: It shouldn't be hard to add, you would only need to alter the relevant .xml files, use the theme with that does show the star rating etc as a reference.

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Yahooadam:

is lilo any better ?

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Aval0n:

right

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zo0m:

no i mean, did you try to replace it with lilo?

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Yahooadam:

no i havent

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zo0m:

well it sounds like grub's just not written to the mbr heh

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rooaus:

Out of interest what OSD theme does show the ratings?

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zo0m:

why its not is i dunno

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Yahooadam:

power cut, hdb1 died, sorted that, and now it refuses to boot from sda1

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Yahooadam:

ive tried a grub-install /dev/sda

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Yahooadam:

no luck there

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zo0m:

gotta have good luck for it to work!

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mistone:

yeeaaa son

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mistone:

my schudeles work now

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Yahooadam:

tried install grub again, did it on both hd(3,0) and hd(3)

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Yahooadam:

nothing

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jhulst:

I just upgraaded to 0.20.2 and live tv playback is skipping/freezing, I can play a fullscreen dvd both with VLC and mythtv with no problem, I also can get live tv to work with mplayer no problems, any ideas?

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floppyears:

hi guys, I'm going to be getting a new dvd+/- burner, what should I get dvd+r or dvd-r discs ?

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Dagmar:

It doesn't really matter

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Dagmar:

If you have a hardware player that can read burned discs at all, it will say which kind it can handle

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Dagmar:

At one time it mattered, but not anymore

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floppyears:

what dvd discs work well with older dvd players ?

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zo0m:

ive handed out + and – with no problems to people with '

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zo0m:

older' players

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zo0m:

i think if you google you will find + is slightly "more compatible"

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Plantain:

I don't quite understand how to build MythTV, do I put myththemes and mythplugins inside the mythtv directory, or what?

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floppyears:

thanks guys

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Dagmar:

Someone just suffered a little clock shift

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Dagmar:

sdodson: No, but that's not a bad hit

[03:59:20]

Plantain:

Does mythtv need to be built and installed before the other two will install?

[03:59:46]

xris:

Plantain: what distro are you using?

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xris:

but if you're compiling from source, yes.. mythtv includes "libmyth" which is required by plugins/themes/etc.

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xris:

so you need to install it before compiling the others

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xris:

and schedules direct now gets to spam ALL of its active members... yay.

[04:05:10]

kdubya:

i havnt got any

[04:06:29]

zo0m:

um

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zo0m:

spam? ;?

[04:06:41]

Anduin:

xris: The top text didn't seem to match the buttons (I only noticed right as I was waiting for the click to register)

[04:06:52]

Anduin:

zo0m: new privacy policy

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xris:

kdubya: email still going out

[04:07:10]

zo0m:

oh

[04:07:18]

xris:

all XXXX active users getting a notice about the new policy.

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floppyears:

so how is sd going guys ?

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zo0m:

how many users are there?

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xris:

and all have to log in and click "accept"

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floppyears:

are a lot of people signing up ?

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xris:

zo0m: can't say until people accept the new PP.

[04:07:48]

zo0m:

oh.. cool

[04:07:54]

zo0m:

so i can ask again sept 15th? :)

[04:08:16]

xris:

yup

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xris:

if we haven't posted it by then

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floppyears:

xris: are things going smoothly or is it sd causing too much work/trouble ?

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zo0m:

i bet its alot

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xris:

it's quite a few

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zo0m:

nice :)

[04:08:42]

xris:

floppyears: lots of work. not much trouble.

[04:09:54]

floppyears:

cool

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kdubya:

oooh

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kdubya:

i did get spammed

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Aval0n:

guys I am trying to scan for new music

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Aval0n:

but it's just hanging at 0 %

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Aval0n:

will special characters on the windows directory mess that up?

[04:18:33]

Aval0n:

I mounted the share to /c/Music

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Aval0n:

with smbfs

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jblack:

Did anyone else get an email from schedules direct along the lines of 'We have a new privacy policy. You have a week to agree to it or we'll shut off your account'?

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xris:

jblack: I sent out a whole bunch of them (one to every active user0

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

I got one'

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jblack:

This new policy is, to be blunt, bullshit.

[04:56:33]

MrJackson:

arnt they all?

[04:56:41]

jblack:

I must provide my phone number, and I must agree to allow you guys to advertise products and promotions?

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xris:

jblack: which policy are you reading? the SD says no such thing

[04:57:04]

jblack:

http://www.schedulesdirect.org/privacypolicy

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xris:

jblack: read it again (closer this time)

[04:57:19]

jblack:

1.a says I have to give my phone number

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xris:

jblack: "such as" means "for example"

[04:57:46]

jblack:

2.a.iii and 2.a.iv says you can contact me for promitions

[04:58:05]

xris:

jblack: for the promotions thing, keep reading to "opt out"

[04:58:14]

jblack:

I don't even give my doctor my phone number.

[04:58:17]

xris:

the document is taken "as a whole" not line by line.

[04:58:52]

xris:

jblack: interpret it how you will... I can't tell you what it means from a legal standpoint, but I *can* tell you that you've misread both of those two points.

[04:59:08]

xris:

the PP doesn't say what info we can/do collect from you, it says what we're allowed to do with it once we have it.

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jblack:

Ok. I'll take it to my lawyer for an opinion. What is the official address of schedules-direct for legal correspondance?

[05:02:11]

zo0m:

its at the bottom of the privacy policy

[05:02:14]

zo0m:

you seriously cant read can you

[05:02:34]

** jblack blushes. **

[05:02:45]

jblack:

I didn't get down to section 4.

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zo0m:

1> the website does not bitch if you do not put a phone number in and 2> in your account details it explicity has the promotion shit and has since you signed up

[05:03:19]

zo0m:

so your bitching is pointless because its wrong

[05:03:57]

xris:

there *are* some legit concerns with this policy (I'm not/can't say what they are), but they were out of our control, and imho not that big of a deal.

[05:04:15]

zo0m:

sd doesnt have any of my real information anyway

[05:04:23]

zo0m:

glad you guys accept paypal

[05:04:25]

zo0m:

:D

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xris:

zo0m: we want to avoid having any financial info

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zo0m:

i definitely want to avoid giving it

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zo0m:

have already had outside crap hacked and my cc stolen

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xris:

however, don't tell me if you provided false info like name/etc or I'll have to turn your acct off for violating that section of the subscriber agreement.

[05:05:09]

mistone:

haha

[05:05:30]

mistone:

I thought you didn't have put your phone number

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zo0m:

you dont..

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mistone:

yea

[05:05:51]

zo0m:

jblack is trolling

[05:06:09]

jblack:

nah. I'm actually pissed, but I can see it would be best to drop it at this point.

[05:06:18]

zo0m:

pissed about..?

[05:06:33]

xris:

we originally thought phone number would be LESS personal than an address, but we need a way to issue refunds, and you can't issue refunds to a phone number.

[05:06:48]

zo0m:

you can issue refunds to paypal without an address

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xris:

zo0m: only for 30 days

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zo0m:

ah

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xris:

hopefully we'll never get to the point where SD/TMS is unable to provide data, though... since afaik that's the only reason we'd have to issue mass refunds

[05:07:32]

jblack:

anyways, I've bene thinking about looking at the code base and setting myth up to store in a format more command than nuv. Any opinions?

[05:07:47]

xris:

jblack: get a tuner card that encodes in mpeg?

[05:07:50]

jblack:

s/command/common

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jblack:

xris: I have cards that encode in mpeg. I was thinking xvid, though.

[05:08:11]

xris:

jblack: nuv was chosen because there were no other container formats that supported the kind of timecodes/sync fields that myth uses.

[05:08:20]

xris:

xvid is a codec, not a container.

[05:08:35]

xris:

myth encodes mpeg4, which is divx. just puts it into nuv instead of something crappy like avi

[05:08:51]

jblack:

oh, ok. I get you.

[05:09:14]

mistone:

oh so you guys are going to send me even more spam lol

[05:09:16]

xris:

isaac did a LOT of research when he finally settled on NUV.

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xris:

something newer like ogg mkv or mp4 might work ok now, but no one has had the time/interest in "fixing" myth to use those containers

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xris:

however, there *is* someone working with mythtranscode to get it to export other formats like flv (for mythweb), so it could work fine for transcodes from mpeg into more portable formats..

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xris:

but that's why I wrote nuvexport in the first place. it works fine for those people who need something more portable.

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mistone:

xris: you could just use ffmpeg to make flv's

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mistone:

its really easy

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jblack:

Yeah, I used to use nuvexport. Very useful tool

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mistone:

yea

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jblack:

I've had problems with it lately due to perl import problems, but I haven't taken the time to figure out what's going on.

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xris:

mistone: I could, but then the webserver would have to have direct access to the video files.

[05:12:10]

mistone:

:?

[05:12:26]

mistone:

so set permissions?

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xris:

mythweb uses ffmpeg to do flv now... but it only works with files that ffmpeg can see.

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xris:

permissions? I'm talking about people running mythweb on a separate server.

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mistone:

ah

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mistone:

thats crazy

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mistone:

lol

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xris:

not everyone runs mythtv on one box (slave backends, separate webserver, etc)

[05:12:59]

zo0m:

xris: what ver of myth has flv support in mythweb? 0.20.2 or only trunk?

[05:13:01]

xris:

granted, I'm not one of them.

[05:13:04]

xris:

only trunk

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zo0m:

dangit

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xris:

it won't even be in .21 (well, not without a little hackery) if I have to rely on ffmpeg.

[05:13:31]

xris:

too many bugs.. no aspect ratio detection, etc.

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zo0m:

anything to replace the busticated mythstreamtv hehe

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zo0m:

it 'works' its just anything but elegant unless you know php to fix it. or maybe a newer version is out now

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mistone:

oh man mythstreamtv sucks lol

[05:14:52]

zo0m:

oh hell yes

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xris:

zo0m: yeah, I'd like to stop getting requests from people about why it doesn't work with the latest mythweb.. or why it was never upgraded for .19 or .20 or whatever.

[05:15:09]

zo0m:

but its the only easy option for quickly streaming crap to work

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xris:

(the answer is: because the author never asked, and then disappeared)

[05:15:20]

zo0m:

yeah

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zo0m:

i had to hack around with it to get it work

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zo0m:

it 'works' its just ugly as hell

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xris:

anything with vlc is.

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jblack:

Ok.I can be constructive about this.

[05:22:30]

jblack:

Sorry for having started off so hostile. I stressed myself out when I read the email that basically said I had just a week to agree.

[05:23:18]

jblack:

I kinda felt like "Oh, now they have my cash, so they're going to jerk me around on a short leash to prove they can?"

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mchou:

jblack: what are you talking about?

[05:24:01]

mchou:

jblack: who has your cash?

[05:24:03]

jblack:

An email that SD sent out yesterday.

[05:24:36]

mchou:

jblack: I'm not SD subscriber. what was the jist?

[05:25:04]

jblack:

The privacy policy has changed and you have a week to agree to the new one.

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mchou:

ouch

[05:25:36]

jblack:

Yeah. Especially if anyone is on vacation.

[05:25:36]

mchou:

sigh....

[05:26:01]

jblack:

Apparently there's things in the new one that were in the old one that I didn't notice.

[05:26:11]

Aval0n:

they don't want to get free trialed to death

[05:26:19]

jblack:

So, I came in and flipped out.

[05:26:22]

Aval0n:

they need a way to make sure they raise enough money to keep the service going

[05:26:24]

mchou:

jblack: so what's the bad stuff in the new privacy policy?

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Aval0n:

<shrug>

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xris:

jblack: except that you get 2 weeks of data, which means only people who take 3+ week vacations will really be affected

[05:26:39]

jblack:

You can read it here: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/privacypolicy

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xris:

jblack: there wasn't an old one

[05:26:47]

jblack:

xris: That's a good point.

[05:27:13]

xris:

the old one said "we don't have a PP yet, and if you don't trust us without seeing a real one, don't sign up"

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jblack:

Ok, so I'm not going crazy by thinking I don't remember signing something to agree to get marketed?

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mchou:

jblack: where does it imply that in the pp?

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mistone:

man I don't even care

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mchou:

jblack: nm. I see it now

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mistone:

I got so many spam filters

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mistone:

and they get bank for it

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Aval0n:

SD is a non-profit org right? why would they advertise?

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mistone:

so whatever

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mistone:

to break even?

[05:28:59]

mistone:

stuff cost money

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Aval0n:

yeah

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xris:

jblack: we don't plan on doing any "marketing" type emails, but had to put that in just in case.. on the other hand, we *do* plan to do promotions (like: "click here to get a free month of service")

[05:29:11]

Aval0n:

and people aren't paying with baseball cards..

[05:29:12]

zo0m:

then just opt-out in your account details area

[05:29:22]

zo0m:

2 little check boxes, its not tough, they've been there all along! :)

[05:29:44]

jblack:

I imagine that you can see that I'm very contact averse, due to my flippin' out type nature.

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mchou:

lol

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zo0m:

yeah but dude

[05:30:00]

zo0m:

all you had to do was read

[05:30:03]

zo0m:

you are reading averse

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zo0m:

:P

[05:30:08]

mchou:

jblack: then dont be on irc :)

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mistone:

as long as they don't send stuff to my house I don't care

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Aval0n:

I dunno I don't think it's that big of a deal, any service that I pay for, has a way of contacting me

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xris:

Aval0n: more like anti-profit at the moment. Well, SD has money now, but no one is getting paid (not even me, the poor web developer who's put in like 80+ hours on it)

[05:30:20]

Aval0n:

so no big deal

[05:30:42]

zo0m:

xris: welcome to non-profit ;)

[05:30:54]

xris:

zo0m: yes. but I knew what I was getting into.

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mchou:

non-profit doesnt mean nobody gets paid

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mchou:

lol

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mistone:

speaking of which I am gunna pay right now

[05:31:08]

jblack:

I still read it the way that I did before, that I'm handing over contact information that I don't want to hand over, and that information that I hand over can be used to contact me and sell me stuff.

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zo0m:

and again, you completely missed the section enttield "pt-Out"

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zo0m:

er, opt-out

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xris:

we'll probably be issuing expiration extensions when we drop the price, but since we don't know how much we'll have to pay for taxes (takes MONTHS to apply for federal nonprofit status), or how much the nonprofit-filing lawyers will cost, we have to wait for that to get worked out first.

[05:32:10]

jblack:

Have you ever really tried opting out of things?

[05:32:20]

jblack:

I trust opt out clauses about as much as I trust my ex-wife.

[05:32:31]

mchou:

jblack has a point there

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xris:

jblack: yes. which is why you'll have to trust that the people behind SD know how you feel, too.

[05:32:38]

zo0m:

i trust the 2 checkboxes in the account details page of schedulesdirect.org, yes

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mchou:

like the do not call lists

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zo0m:

if you dont, then cancel

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zo0m:

since thats what the opt-out clause explicity states

[05:33:14]

zo0m:

obviously you have some real big deal about this, you might just want to cancel and save yourself the paranoia

[05:33:16]

zo0m:

sheesh

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mchou:

zo0m: cancelling doesnt mean you disappear from any list neccesarily

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zo0m:

oh noez you're doomed then

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xris:

mchou: which is entirely true for SD. We can't let people cancel and then sign up for another free trial.

[05:33:40]

zo0m:

if you dont accept the privacy policy

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mchou:

zo0m: bingo!

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zo0m:

guess what

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xris:

but it *does* mean that barring me f*cking up a db query for an email-sending script, the user wouldn't get any more email from us,.

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mchou:

haha

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jblack:

Ok, so, here's what I'd like to do.

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zo0m:

lol...

[05:35:13]

** zo0m gets some popcorn **

[05:35:13]

mistone:

I just gave you money

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Aval0n:

give your work phone number and a po box

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

trhat's even more crazy

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Aval0n:

I understand the need not to have people scamming with free trials

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zo0m:

how about you give no phone number

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zo0m:

because its not required

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Aval0n:

personally I don't know why the hell they offer free trials anyway

[05:35:55]

Aval0n:

people either want it or not

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Aval0n:

I think everyone pretty much has a good idea what it's about

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mchou:

yeah, drop the free trials

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zo0m:

the account details page does not force you to enter a phone number

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Aval0n:

so pony up and pay, or forget it and channel surf

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mchou:

or better yet track by ip addr :)

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mistone:

yea but the free trail is nice cause it didn't work at first

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mistone:

for me

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mistone:

and I would be hella pissed if I payed and it didn't work

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jblack:

I'd like to use the time I've already paid for without agreeing to this new privacy policy. Then, when the service I've already paid for is nearly up, I can decide whether I'm willing to give up my privacy for continuing service.

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squidly:

whats going on here?

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zo0m:

jblack: lol. i forsee a partial refund in your future instead

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mchou:

jblack: hat you're asking for is "grandfather caluse"

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mchou:

zo0m: be civil. the man has valid points

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xris:

Aval0n: free trials because there are a lot of people who want to try out an open source program like mythtv but might not want to pay up front for 3/6/12 months.

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mchou:

clause*

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mistone:

THIS

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mistone:

IS

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mistone:

SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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zo0m:

mchou: actually, he doesnt. he even admitted he didnt read the privacy policy in its entirety before coming on here to complain. both of his primary complaints were found to be completely baseless due to the REST of the privacy policy he didnt read

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zo0m:

i see no valid points.

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mchou:

zo0m: that's your opinion

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zo0m:

you know you came late to this little party

[05:39:05]

zo0m:

dont pretend you know whos here

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dillweed:

how can i get mythwelcome to shutdown the computer when the mythfrontend has not been stopped?

[05:39:09]

jblack:

mchou: It's ok. His bullying isn't bothering me.

[05:39:23]

mchou:

in a court of law I'm sure he has some legit claim (theory of contracts)

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zo0m:

which claim?

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zo0m:

the opt-out thats explicity stated in the policy?

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zo0m:

the fact the site does not require you to put in a phone number?

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zo0m:

both of which were his complaints

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jblack:

No, those aren't my complaints.

[05:40:07]

zo0m:

they were

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zo0m:

what are you new complaints?

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zo0m:

s/you/your

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jblack:

No, they weren't my complaints either.

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mchou:

zo0m: I came late to this party?? dude I've been here much longer than you have been. If you're trying to get a rise you're failing miserably.

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zo0m:

jblack: shall i /last ?

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zo0m:

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zo0m:

#mythtv-users

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zo0m:

you were late

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zo0m:

it started before that

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zo0m:

01:23 <mchou> jblack: what are you talking about?

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zo0m:

01:24 <mchou> jblack: who has your cash?

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zo0m:

you wouldnt have even had to ask

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dns_56:

i am an australian so things are a little different here, the data source i use is "oztivo", it is a community website where people collaborate on building the contents of the guide including writing program descriptions etc

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zo0m:

00:56 <jblack> This new policy is, to be blunt, bullshit.

[05:41:15]

zo0m:

00:56 <jblack> I must provide my phone number, and I must agree to allow you guys to advertise products and promotions?

[05:41:20]

zo0m:

so yeah, whatever.

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jblack:

My complaint is that is that 1.a. and 2.a.iv combine in a way that I don't like.

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mchou:

zo0m: dude, just because I joined late that implies jblack has no legit claim?? lol

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zo0m:

whats the legit claim you speak of?!

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mchou:

zo0m: that's some freaking good logic

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mchou:

the legit claim that he wishes to be grandfathered in.

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zo0m:

its a request, not a legit claim

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mchou:

pre-Privacy Policy at SD, if you will

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mchou:

zo0m: no, that's not a request

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jblack:

So, in simple terms, I've paid for 3 months of service, and now I'm being told that in order to receive service I've paid for, I have to agree to additional terms that I didn't originally agree to.

[05:43:11]

zo0m:

if he doesnt agree to the privacy policy a partial refund is FAR more likely

[05:43:18]

mchou:

that goes under theory of contracts

[05:43:31]

mchou:

zo0m: nope

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zo0m:

jblack: thats correct, so if you do not agree, i assume you will get a partial refund for time not used

[05:43:40]

zo0m:

but i dont run SD

[05:43:53]

mchou:

you landloard cant change lease terms on you (as an example)

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xris:

jblack: read the subscriber agreement more carefully.

[05:44:10]

zo0m:

mchou: subscriber agreement perhaps? :)

[05:44:13]

xris:

zo0m: in fact.. he'd get a full refund.

[05:44:22]

zo0m:

xris: thats quite generous of you guys

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** Captain_Murdoch wonders what people will think of his new code that forces people to watch _his_ commercials when people try to skip the regular ones in Myth.... j/k **

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: that's a bug, not a feature :)

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xris:

zo0m: we figure that because we didn't have a privacy policy to begin with, it'd be nicer to just offer a blanket refund to people who didn't like the official one.

[05:45:23]

xris:

so far, over 800 people seem to think the new PP is fine.

[05:45:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

mchou: depends on which direction you look at it from ;)

[05:45:31]

xris:

(yay, I can at least give out SOME numbers now)

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zo0m:

xris: hehe nice

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mistone:

or atleast don't care

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jblack:

Which I'm fine with, but I'm kinda stuck in a corner. It's going to take me time to write myself out of the corner.

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mistone:

useually I just press ok ok

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mistone:

don't e ven look

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xris:

mistone: after all of the work our lawyers went through to make it human-readable?

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mistone:

haha

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mistone:

yea dude no one cares

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mchou:

xris: that's an oxymoron

[05:46:35]

mchou:

lawyers dont make anything human readable

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Aval0n-:

human mis-leadable :) (in most cases)

[05:47:01]

Aval0n-:

not SD just in general

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mchou:

that's like relying on a geek to come up with a nice user interface.

[05:47:02]

Aval0n-:

:)

[05:47:09]

mchou:

aint gonna happen :)

[05:47:16]

Aval0n-:

hey that's no way to talk about juski!

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Aval0n-:

:)

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xris:

Aval0n-: yes. that's the unfortunate part. well, that and we (SD) can't even comment on the *intent* of things in any of our policy documents.

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Aval0n-:

;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think people are paranoid if they are worried about SD selling their email and contact info. If the MythTV and xmltv guys wanted to do that, they could have sold mailing lists a long time ago. Remember, Isaac is the guy who jumps on people's cases for advertising their old Myth systems for sale on the mailing lists.

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mchou:

Aval0n-: I think you missed my earlier corollary, wanna be geeks dont qualify :)

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Aval0n-:

haha

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: pretty much.

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jblack:

captain: Previous to now, there wasn't anything that gave that as a possibility.

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zo0m:

heh

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Captain_Murdoch:

email address lists can make money

[05:49:20]

zo0m:

big money

[05:49:28]

zo0m:

and its so easy to take a mailing list you run and sell it heh

[05:49:35]

zo0m:

to think otherwise is naive

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jblack:

zo0m: Then you _do_ see my concern!

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

jblack: zo0m is a bit slow

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xris:

it's sort of funny to see how much muck a tiny amount of people can stir up (particularly a guy on mythtv-users mailing list).

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Captain_Murdoch:

and it would be trivial to put ads at the bottom of all emails flowing through the @mythtv.org lists. people have to get in the mindset that SD is a business and is required to have certain things because of that.

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zo0m:

i believe thats called, acceptable risk. you join a mailing list, there's a chance your email address will make it to the public.

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mistone:

haha

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zo0m:

mchou: stop being an idiot

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xris:

zo0m: that's funny...

[05:51:26]

mchou:

zo0m: lol. You contradict yourself and I'm the idiot?

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Captain_Murdoch:

jblack: if you're that paranoid you shouldn't be on IRC.

[05:51:34]

jblack:

I'm less concerned about my email address, then I am about things "such as a phone number"

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zo0m:

mchou: i did?

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xris:

jblack: which you already said that you didn't provide.

[05:51:57]

mchou:

zo0m: you're so slow you cant even recognize that

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mistone:

this is all fail poeple should use logically reasons for thier arguements I haven't seen many

[05:52:03]

xris:

we *have* to have your address to be able to issue refunds. what other info have you given us?

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jblack:

xris: I don't think i did, becuase I don't know if I do.

[05:52:26]

xris:

jblack: you could always click the "ask me later" box and go check

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zo0m:

mchou: its 2am and im tired, but i didnt contradict myself. jblack 'didnt htink it was a possiblility' to have the mailing list sold or advertised on..... no idea why he would think that.. or i just misread what he said

[05:52:35]

jblack:

Ok, I'll do that

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mchou:

jblack: you this concerned about your credit cards too? :)

[05:52:54]

zo0m:

mchou: if you think signing up on mailing lists is 100% secure, you;re foolish.

[05:53:04]

jblack:

mchou: I freeze my credit record every three months like clockwork

[05:53:14]

mchou:

zo0m: again, you're being very slow

[05:53:19]

zo0m:

not as slow as you

[05:53:25]

zo0m:

must be the slants in your eyes

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zo0m:

LOL

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jblack:

Whoah. That's going too far.

[05:53:39]

mistone:

haha

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zo0m:

oh yeah, now the line is drawn!

[05:53:50]

zo0m:

tippy toein over!

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mchou:

jblack: freezing the record doesnt stop the bank from collecting info :)

[05:54:06]

jblack:

Well, yeah. You went from "asshole" to "bigot". Please take it a step back.

[05:54:15]

mchou:

zo0m: yeah, real class there

[05:54:18]

jblack:

mchou: Yeah, it just prevents companies from reading it without permission.

[05:54:27]

zo0m:

jblack: i gotta sling some names when im called them, ya know, eye for an eye and what not

[05:54:33]

zo0m:

i could always /last to show who started the name calling first

[05:54:37]

xris:

jblack: except that SD and MythTV aren't the same company (MythTV isn't even a company)

[05:54:38]

zo0m:

each and everything, mchou mchou mchou

[05:54:48]

zo0m:

and btw mchou, ive been here longer than you, this just isnt the nick you may remember me as :)

[05:54:55]

jblack:

Anyways..

[05:55:03]

** jblack tries to figure out his sd account and pass **

[05:55:10]

mchou:

lol

[05:55:14]

zo0m:

its on that sticky note on your monitor

[05:55:31]

jblack:

woot.

[05:56:00]

jblack:

Yeah, you guys have my home address.

[05:56:20]

jblack:

Which isn't exactly a guarded secret anyways, tbh.

[05:56:43]

jblack:

Whoah. WTF? Who signed me up for "promotional emails" ?

[05:57:02]

mchou:

xris: I still don't get it. you need addr to issue refund? I mean you cant just issue refund to cc?

[05:57:16]

zo0m:

jblack: you didnt uncheck them when you signed up

[05:57:18]

mchou:

jblack: lol. it's called opt-out

[05:57:23]

jblack:

They weren't there when I signed up.

[05:57:25]

zo0m:

jblack: i did, and they're still unchecked to this day

[05:57:29]

zo0m:

jblack: yes, they were.

[05:57:31]

mistone:

haha he is trippin

[05:57:59]

jblack:

By this point, does anyone seriously think I'd ever willingly agree to promotional emails?

[05:58:02]

mchou:

which is why opt-out are a cop out

[05:58:30]

mchou:

default policy should be opt-out unless someone opts-in

[05:58:34]

mistone:

:\

[05:58:47]

zo0m:

thats a great default policy from a buisness perspective. way to go

[05:59:10]

zo0m:

if someones doesnt read the signup, and they dont uncheck the box, they're opting in. it goes both ways

[05:59:17]

xris:

mchou: paypal only allows that for 30 days.

[05:59:19]

mchou:

zo0m: what's good for the customer is good for business

[05:59:37]

xris:

mchou: um, SD *is* opt-in... but the legal docs all call it opt-out.

[05:59:44]

** jblack remembers back to how yahoo had a habit of re-opting in everyone each time they changed things **

[05:59:51]

xris:

jblack: ouch

[06:00:00]

jblack:

Yeah.

[06:00:12]

zo0m:

jblack: since mine are still unchecked since the day i signed up, i dont think SD has dont any such thing.

[06:00:18]

zo0m:

you just neglected to uncheck them.

[06:00:26]

jblack:

I really, really, don't remember seeing an option to turn promotional emails on or off. Seriously.

[06:00:39]

zo0m:

its that reading thing again

[06:00:41]

zo0m:

:PPP

[06:00:53]

jblack:

And here it is, turned on. I know everyone else says 'nah, it wasn't that way', but I really don't remember that.

[06:01:21]

mchou:

xris: I dont get it. Someone who subscribes to SD has to specifically request (uncheck) to opt out, no?

[06:01:48]

mistone:

omg

[06:01:50]

jblack:

mchou: I just had to uncheck boxes for promotional emails, boxes that I don't think existed when I signed up

[06:01:55]

mistone:

you guys are still talking about this ? lol

[06:02:42]

mchou:

mistone: why do you think this is so funny?

[06:02:51]

jblack:

xris: I'd be thrilled if I could just bitbucket emails from SD, but I'm worried that I won't get emails that say "you have a week to do something or no more scheduling for you"

[06:03:17]

mchou:

jblack: that's a real case where business lost in court

[06:03:32]

xris:

jblack: yes. unfortunately, I had to auto-opt-in a few hundred early adopters.

[06:03:34]

zo0m:

mchou: just stop egging him on

[06:03:34]

mchou:

I need to find the citation......

[06:03:58]

mchou:

zo0m: You're the only one I'm egging

[06:04:07]

zo0m:

you're missing by a mile

[06:04:07]

jblack:

xris: Thanks for being honest. I did sign up very early. Day 1, in fact.

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mchou:

bingo!

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doc|home:

anyone here using gentoo?

[06:04:36]

mchou:

lol

[06:04:40]

doc|home:

(and awake :) )

[06:04:48]

xris:

jblack: so far, the only emails we forsee ourselves sending are ones that refer to your account (which you can't opt out of). We *might* get a quarterly newsletter, and *might* set up promotional stuff (I'd like to see some random sweepstakes type stuff for free months of service, etc), but haven't even had a chance to talk about it yet.

[06:04:51]

jhulst:

doc|home: I do

[06:04:57]

mchou:

doc|home: if you need to ask you shouldnt be using it :)

[06:05:02]

Captain_Murdoch:

xris, did you get my /msg?

[06:05:11]

doc|home:

jhulst: heh, well, it's a mythtv thing :)

[06:05:18]

doc|home:

er, mchou ^

[06:05:27]

jblack:

xris: Yeah, random sweepstakes type stuff is exactly the stuff I don't want.

[06:05:32]

doc|home:

jhulst: do you still have updating listings?

[06:05:42]

doc|home:

my listings still update fine, and I don't have dd

[06:05:50]

doc|home:

er, sd

[06:06:01]

xris:

jblack: penalty for signing up early and being in the assumed minority for that.

[06:06:25]

xris:

jblack: and if you opted out, you won't get any.

[06:06:36]

jhulst:

doc|home: My listings have been down for a little while, but no, mine do not show up

[06:06:45]

mchou:

jblack: ahh, here is a blog about that case: http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2007/07/courts-says-aol.html

[06:06:58]

xris:

jblack: you have to remember that SD is currently composed of 5 people, only 1.5 of which are actually doing any development work.

[06:07:59]

doc|home:

ok, anyone got any idea why my schedules would be up to date, yet i haven't changed anything :)

[06:08:17]

doc|home:

xris: what do the other 3.5 people do?

[06:08:32]

zo0m:

doc: because you got 14days worth of listings on sept1 and its onlt sept9?

[06:08:38]

jblack:

zo0m: Have you caught up by now? There was no privacy policy when I signed up, there was no opt-out option when I signed up, and I did get an email that says agree in a week or lose service, there's a new option for "promotional emails", combined with the other stuff?

[06:08:41]

zo0m:

s/onlt/only

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jblack:

So I think you owe me an apology

[06:08:49]

doc|home:

zo0m: ah, ok, didn't think it went that far. Thanks

[06:09:16]

mchou:

jblack: dont hold your breath. zo0mis INCREDIBLY slow

[06:09:20]

xris:

Daniel's been doing all of the interaction with lawyers, Robert (the other .5) does a lot of email responding and such.. After that, there hasn't been much work for Isaac and Kevin to do.

[06:09:23]

Ava-:

guys I have a windows share mounted to /c/Music and there is about 17g of mp3's there. I told mythtv to scan for music updates, it's been over an hour

[06:09:32]

Ava-:

I can get a list by doing ls -l

[06:09:40]

Ava-:

what on earth is it spending all this time doing?

[06:09:42]

xris:

Ava-: welcome to the slowness of smb.

[06:09:42]

zo0m:

jblack: what for? there was no privacy policy when i signed up, there was on opt-out option but i think xris just said he had to enable it for a few hundred people? or did i read that wrong

[06:09:51]

xris:

Ava-: it's reading every file to pull out meta data.

[06:09:56]

jblack:

And.. let's tie up the bag... xris, what happens if I give wrong information for my phone number and home address?

[06:09:58]

mchou:

zo0m: lol

[06:10:10]

Ava-:

smb is known to be slow eh?

[06:10:23]

xris:

zo0m: I added those fields after SD was open for signups, so I had to pick a default state for those users who already had accounts

[06:10:26]

jblack:

presuming the SD finds out.

[06:10:34]

xris:

Ava-: "inefficient" might be a better word

[06:10:40]

zo0m:

xris: ah

[06:10:48]

xris:

jblack: SA clearly states what will happen...

[06:10:49]

robbins876:

man, it is 46F here right now

[06:10:52]

zo0m:

though i still dont know what id have to apologize to jblack for lol

[06:10:53]

xris:

your acct gets shut off.

[06:11:02]

Ava-:

of course I'm sure it isn't helping that it's a wireless-G connection

[06:11:02]

jblack:

Yup.

[06:11:15]

mchou:

zo0m: start by apologizing to jblack for being slow

[06:11:27]

xris:

which is what I've had to do with the several dozen people who used fake email addresses before I added the activation key.

[06:11:41]

mchou:

zo0m: and getting on his case when you didn't know wtf he was talking about

[06:11:43]

jblack:

Can you see why I'm unhappy about this?

[06:11:53]

zo0m:

jblack: not really...

[06:11:54]

xris:

Ava-: yeah. that'd definitely hurt things. esp. if you have a "b" device connected because your whole AP will be running at "b" speeds

[06:12:16]

Ava-:

yeah everything is G

[06:12:19]

Ava-:

thankfully

[06:12:25]

zo0m:

jblack: if anything, the updated privacy policy alerted you to how your account is setup, that enhancements were added after you signed up

[06:12:41]

mchou:

sigh....

[06:12:57]

mchou:

jblack: just give up on this dude

[06:13:01]

jblack:

xris: why I'm unhappy? That you guys are changing terms on me after the fact, and that you're preparing for exactly the sort of stuff that I'm trying to avoid, and at the same time making it very difficult to avoid?

[06:13:03]

Ava-:

xris what is the price dropping to?

[06:13:23]

mchou:

jblack: the guy is 'special'

[06:13:58]

xris:

Ava-: for SD? can't say because we're not sure yet.

[06:14:01]

zo0m:

jblack: why cant you just uncheck the boxes now? wont that solve everything? at the same time you can remove your phone number.

[06:14:03]

Ava-:

ahh ok

[06:14:08]

jblack:

Can I get out of this mess by giving you guys more money? I'll happily pay you guys $20 a month if I can get the data in a way that assures me that I'm not going to be hounded with "give us more"

[06:14:22]

mchou:

jblack: lol

[06:14:24]

zo0m:

O_o

[06:14:25]

xris:

we'd like to make an announcement soon about "what it would be if we had to lower the price today", but not sure when that'll happen.

[06:14:51]

mchou:

jblack: stop encouraging xris to do bad things :)

[06:14:55]

Ava-:

I'de pay 5 a month for the rest of my life

[06:14:56]

Ava-:

personally

[06:15:00]

Ava-:

it's such a nice service

[06:15:13]

zo0m:

ava-: if only we could get pci cablecards or something

[06:15:28]

mchou:

jblack: you'd bribe someone?

[06:15:31]

xris:

Ava-: it'll definitely be dropping

[06:15:40]

jblack:

mchou: Without a second thought.

[06:15:43]

xris:

and if we can, we'll add time to everyone's memberships.

[06:15:47]

zo0m:

oh, is mchou talking again?

[06:15:55]

Ava-:

cool

[06:16:13]

zo0m:

ignore is nice

[06:16:23]

Ava-:

i guess I'll go to sleep now and hope when I wake up that this music update is finished.

[06:16:44]

Ava-:

you guys are going to make Dagmar jealous

[06:16:52]

Ava-:

he doesn't like missing out on the negativity in here.

[06:16:58]

zo0m:

:)

[06:17:42]

Ava-:

anywho

[06:17:45]

Ava-:

peace out fellaz

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zo0m:

be a cold day in hell when a there's a pci cable card adapter that'll work in linux

[06:18:01]

zo0m:

though, tivo is linux

[06:18:41]

zo0m:

firewire cap is great for the 8 unencrypted hdtv streams

[06:18:46]

** zo0m rolls eyes **

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xris:

zo0m: pci isn't the problem. The problem is that the cablecard people won't allow a non-closed system (which happens to include windows MCE running on a hone PC) to use an adapter

[06:22:14]

\malex\:

is there a supported way of having mythtv play a dvd that's inserted into some other box that doesn't run mythbackend?

[06:22:36]

jblack:

xris: How many accounts would I have to buy before you guys took this seriously enough?

[06:22:47]

zo0m:

xris: yeah.. i was doing some searching and came across some late 2005/early 2006 articles saying cablecard pci adapters would only be supported in vista because of al the built in drm crap

[06:22:52]

mchou:

jblack: buy one for me :)

[06:23:07]

zo0m:

yet... they are still nowhere to be found :)

[06:23:53]

jhulst:

\malex\: You could always mount the drive with nfs, not sure if that is the most elegant way but it should work

[06:23:53]

zo0m:

the pcmag, etc articles had pics and everything of them...

[06:24:28]

\malex\:

jhulst: mount it someplace under whatever directory i set mythtv to look for videos?

[06:24:33]

jblack:

The only internal card I could find last week was ironically a usb card

[06:24:48]

jblack:

I.E. you slid it into a slot, hooked up a drive adaptor, and hooked it up to usb

[06:25:13]

mchou:

jblack: drive adaptr?

[06:25:24]

jblack:

drive power.

[06:25:28]

mchou:

oh

[06:25:37]

jhulst:

\malex\: No mount it and have mythdvd look for it there as an actual dvd drive

[06:25:53]

rooaus:

jblack: I not sure if I understand the issue, why don't you use a gmail account or other free account for these types of things? I use gmail for mailing lists which are public anyway.

[06:26:14]

xris:

jblack: none? the wording of the policy is pretty much out of our hands. There are certain clauses in there that HAVE to be there to protect us (and you) in the event of some kind of legal procedings.

[06:26:27]

xris:

jblack: have you ever actually READ a privacy policy before? ours is pretty tame.

[06:26:28]

mchou:

rooaus: that just compounds the problem

[06:26:29]

Aval0n-:

xris: I pmed ya

[06:26:34]

xris:

was afk

[06:26:40]

Aval0n-:

no prob :)

[06:26:42]

jblack:

rooaus: because any account like that I'm not likely to check for weeks or months at a time. If I got another "do this in a week or else", I wouldn't see it

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\malex\:

jhulst: when it looks for an actual dvd drive it looks for a device, doesn't it? if i just export my /dev from that box that wouldn't work, i don't think, or am i misunderstanding?

[06:26:51]

mchou:

rooaus: now jblack has all his info kept by google :)

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jblack:

xris: Is there really a legal requirement that you guys must be able to do promotions?

[06:27:21]

mchou:

rooaus: this doesnt get solved by another level of indirection :)

[06:27:29]

xris:

jblack: no. but if we don't put that there, we wouldn't be able to have any.

[06:27:38]

Plantain:

Anyone here running mythtv SVN on ppc? Seems to be broken here

[06:27:52]

xris:

we thought about pulling it out, but then thought that a lot of our users might appreciate the ability to win free months of service, etc.

[06:28:00]

jblack:

seriously, I'll buy 50 accounts right now, if you guys set things up so that I don't get spammed about it.

[06:28:14]

xris:

you've opted out, you won't get spammed

[06:28:14]

mchou:

jblack: where do I sign up? :)

[06:28:45]

jhulst:

\malex\: http://www.mathworks.com/access/helpdesk/help . . . 0-61814.html

[06:28:46]

mchou:

jblack: I'll only take 1 of your 50 :)

[06:28:52]

jblack:

fine. 51

[06:28:52]

xris:

like I said, the only way you'd get promotional type emails from us is if I f*ck up and screw up a db query. and I haven't done that in a LONG time.

[06:29:35]

mchou:

xris: well, mysql isnt free of bugs either :)

[06:29:45]

mchou:

hehe

[06:29:45]

jblack:

You already signed me up once to get stuff I didn't want, without my permission!

[06:29:58]

zo0m:

knew that was coming

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\malex\:

jhulst: i understand the actual mounting part :) but from what you say i'm assuming mythtv can deal with premounted dvd drives, and doesn't just look for /dev/hdc or whatnot?

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xris:

jblack: did you get any emails that you didn't want?

[06:31:12]

xris:

other than the PP one, of course?

[06:31:23]

jhulst:

\malex\: You can change where mythtv looks for the dvd, although now that I think about it, I see your point, I believe I've had it work with it mounted but I'm not certain

[06:31:33]

jblack:

Other than that, no. I just got signed up against my will to receive them.

[06:31:58]

\malex\:

jhulst: oh. well, that gives me hope atleast. thanks

[06:32:17]

jblack:

I wouldn't consider the PP unwanted, inasmuch as that's the wheat that prevents me from just throwing out the chass.

[06:32:19]

jhulst:

\malex\: Somebody else in here might know better about it mounting, I'd try it myself but I'm not by my machine

[06:32:41]

jblack:

s/chass/chaff. If i hadn't gotten that email, I wouldn't have cared about all this, cause then I could just silently delete the email address that's associated.

[06:32:51]

xris:

from a business standpoint, it's not unheard of to "opt in" any users that existed before the opt-out policy existed. *most* people seem to like to get such emails. You can harass me all you want for my decision to do so, but keep in mind that it was a decision to *allow* opt-in/out, as opposed to giving you no choice at all.

[06:33:13]

\malex\:

jhulst: i'll try sharing out the mounted dvd directory, and then mounting that on my mythtv box. i hope it just works :)

[06:33:23]

mchou:

oh lord

[06:33:24]

jblack:

I didn't realize you felt harassed. I'll stop now. sorry.

[06:33:50]

jblack:

The offer to donate remains open. Please consider it.

[06:34:24]

jhulst:

\malex\: That'd be nice :)

[06:34:25]

zo0m:

maybe if you donate 10k?

[06:34:39]

jblack:

I can't afford 10k

[06:35:01]

jblack:

Anyways, I promised to stop.

[06:35:03]

zo0m:

1k, my bad

[06:35:07]

zo0m:

https://www.schedulesdirect.org/contact

[06:35:15]

jblack:

Yeah. I already offered that.

[06:35:15]

zo0m:

you could be a premier member!

[06:35:15]

xris:

jblack: you're not the only user with concerns... but I doubt we'll be changing the PP any time soon unless someone finds a BIG problem with it. Even then, it takes our lawyers a few weeks to get stuff done (that's what we trade for getting free service).

[06:36:03]

jblack:

xris: Ok, I understand you.

[06:36:48]

jblack:

So, what's likely to be in 0.21 ?

[06:36:57]

** xris hopes for flv in mythweb **

[06:37:16]

xris:

discussions about .21 kind of stopped when the whole listings thing happened.

[06:37:25]

xris:

focus turned to .20.2

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rooaus:

mythtv-vid

[06:37:36]

xris:

you could always upgrade to svn trunk. it's pretty stable.

[06:37:41]

** xris should check out what that is. **

[06:37:43]

jblack:

Heh. Turn my wii into a TV surfer

[06:38:14]

xris:

jblack: thought about that.. though I heard a disturbing rumor that the wii only does flash 7

[06:38:20]

dns_56:

does anyone know if you can record 2 different dvb streams in the same mutex, in australia we have both stanard and hi-def streams on the same frequency, can you record both at the same time with 1 card?

[06:38:22]

jblack:

I considered that, but I'm not familiar with qt programming. Moc disturbs me

[06:38:31]

rooaus:

xris: Was merged to trunk a few days ago, there is still some work being done on the branch though.

[06:38:40]

jblack:

xris: I think the beta browser did something older, and the released one does newer.

[06:38:46]

jblack:

I can check for you, if you have an url you'd like me to try

[06:39:10]

xris:

no clue of any flash9-specific sites.

[06:39:10]

rooaus:

dns_56: Yeah, that is being worked on on the multi-rec branch

[06:39:14]

jblack:

The wii doesn't really have enough memory to do things. the browser tends to crash when working with overly large files like full length movies.

[06:39:26]

xris:

rooaus: yeah, I've heard plenty about it, except for what it actually does.

[06:39:26]

dns_56:

so not in the mainline cvs?

[06:39:34]

jblack:

video.google.com works for a bit, though.

[06:39:51]

xris:

dns_56: no

[06:40:16]

rooaus:

dns_56: Not yet but apparent;y it is usable at the moment, not sure how far off it is.

[06:42:37]

rooaus:

xris: I need to try it, but essentially allows you to set playback profiles for different content based on res, interlacing etc. Also has new scaling code, deinterlacers and other goodies like native resolution OSD etc.

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xris:

nifty

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\malex\:

jhulst: looks like it's sort of working. i got it to get through the main menu of the dvd by by presenting the mounted DVD direcotry under where mythtv is looking for videos. it's stuck when i try to actually play an episode, but i see a whole bunch of network traffic, so i'm still investigating

[06:47:04]

jhulst:

\malex\: hmm, it may be that mythtv doesn't know what do with an folder like that, did you end up trying to use it as a normal drive under mythdvd?

[06:47:29]

rooaus:

xris: yeah, it does sound good, but the multirec branch it what I am really keen on. I obsessively watch the commit list for any activity on the multirec tickets, sad i know ;)

[06:48:17]

\malex\:

jhulst: no no, i think mythtv is handling it fine, by main menu i meant the dvd main menu, so it must have read the proper stuff from the dvd to show that to me. i'm just using mythvideo with the Internal player

[06:49:06]

\malex\:

jhulst: although it seems it's trying to read in the entire VOB before it plays i

[06:49:09]

\malex\:

it

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doc|home:

how well does mythtv support the epg data?

[06:51:05]

jhulst:

\malex\: interesting

[06:51:09]

xris:

rooaus: I want the one that lets you record pre/post from the same stream.. so recording extra for one show doesn't prevent the next show on the same channel from being recorded (which multi-rec will hopefully eventually provide, too)

[06:51:12]

xris:

doc|home: what do you mean?

[06:51:25]

\malex\:

jhulst: i'm going to try exporting with nfs instead of samba, once i figure out how to do that on osx :)

[06:51:26]

doc|home:

xris: on cable, there's program data sent

[06:51:46]

jblack:

Heh. 0.20.2's configure wants me to tell the mailing list that it wasn't able to detect my cpu

[06:51:47]

dns_56:

there is xmltv data for most countries

[06:51:49]

xris:

doc|home: digital or analog?

[06:52:07]

jblack:

Is it possible to send mail to the mailing list without subscribing?

[06:52:15]

jhulst:

\malex\: samba is a beast, that could be your problem there, I'm not sure of speeds but it may be too slow anyways

[06:52:27]

jhulst:

\malex\: but it sounds like you already know that :)

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doc|home:

xris: I'm not sure to be honest. I'll look into it.

[06:52:33]

xris:

jblack: depends on the mailing list.

[06:52:48]

jblack:

mythtv-users is the request from configure

[06:53:00]

xris:

doc|home: I believe it's a difference between EIT and VBI, but I may be wrong. One of them is usually encrypted.

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rooaus:

xris: yep, I think that some people are already using the multirec branch for that now, I think janneg has been using it on a production box for a while.

[06:53:57]

\malex\:

jhulst: one of these days i need to upgrade to gigE anyhow :)

[06:54:46]

doc|home:

xris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_progr . . . #Analog_EPGs looks like analog ones exist too

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jhulst:

\malex\: you and me both :) but I'm not sure how much that would help samba anyways, I have iso's of DVD's on a network computer that I play across my 100 mbps lan that does just fine

[06:55:00]

doc|home:

xris: not sure about north america

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\malex\:

jhulst: i've pushed samba to 6MB/s on my machines, it's not entirely terrible

[06:56:46]

xris:

doc|home: not sure.. I know that EIT works fine, but dunno about the rest

[07:02:27]

jblack:

configure doesn't check for libXv

[07:02:37]

jblack:

At least in release.

[07:03:26]

mchou:

damn, just saw "letters from iwo jima" on DVD

[07:03:35]

mchou:

that's one hell of a movie

[07:04:23]

jblack:

What's it like?

[07:04:34]

mchou:

Clint Eastwood is woking with some mighty fine writers these days

[07:04:52]

mchou:

jblack: trust me, you need to see it if you havent

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mchou:

working*

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mchou:

actually the movie is too compressed is my complaint

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doc|home:

anyone got any suggestions for canadian listings?

[07:05:44]

jblack:

mchou: ok

[07:05:51]

mchou:

Iwo Jima took about 40 days to capture......

[07:06:06]

mchou:

the movie made it look like less tha 1 week

[07:06:10]

mchou:

than*

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xris:

doc|home: schedules direct.

[07:06:27]

mchou:

that's my only complaint

[07:06:31]

doc|home:

xris: seemingly doesn't support .ca

[07:06:42]

xris:

huh? we pay good money to TMS for canadian data

[07:06:48]

xris:

plenty of canadian users

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mchou:

heh

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doc|home:

hmmm, maybe the post was wrong. Mentioned support having been dropped

[07:07:18]

mchou:

doc|home: where?

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doc|home:

closed the tab now ;/

[07:07:28]

doc|home:

*:/

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\malex\:

jhulst: i'm giving up on this for now. osx as an nfs server doesn't seem to be exporting the mounted directories as i thought it would, and i'm bored heh

[07:09:10]

mchou:

huh??

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jhulst:

\malex\: Sorry to send you off on a wild goose chase, sounds like it's sorta working, I think nfs is going to be your best bet though

[07:10:46]

\malex\:

jhulst: no worries. nfs might work, yes, but i'm just getting the hang of this osx stuff heh

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\malex\:

jhulst: thanks for the pointer

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xris:

ok.. figured out a major bug for SD. now I can go cut some commercials out of recorded tv so my drive stops filling up.

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doc|home:

does SD provide commercial timings?

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xris:

I wish

[07:44:03]

xris:

no one would do that

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xris:

mythtv is pretty good at picking out commercials, though

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doc|home:

that's what I was thinking

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xris:

SD gets our data from Tribune. Tribune gets their data from the networks/affiliates/etc...

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doc|home:

sometimes, it generally misses the end of the last commercial for the daily show

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xris:

no tv station would want to share when the commercials might be to a company that they KNOW resells to the DVR market (tivo, etc)

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adante:

hmm, should start up a community based timing system :]

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doc|home:

community based listings?

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doc|home:

wouldn't be hard

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adante:

no, but probably not trivial either

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doc|home:

http://xmltv.org/wiki/xmltvfileformat.html

[07:52:05]

doc|home:

then set up a wiki type site to generate that

[07:52:49]

adante:

right, actually i meant a community based system for the commercial timing

[07:53:06]

adante:

in australia we have a community based epg data (see oztivo)

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doc|home:

yep, doable

[07:53:43]

adante:

its good, definitely better than nothing, but not great (imho)

[07:53:47]

d3ity:

hey guys, got a question for you guys about how exactly I would have to do something

[07:54:27]

d3ity:

I've got one box, my desktop, with a pvr-150 in it. I've also got a laptop. I'd like to be able to watch TV on my laptop, using the tuner card from my desktop... What would I need to do in order to do that over my network?

[07:54:43]

doc|home:

would be a great kick in the arse for tribune. shut down data source to get revenue, lose every potential source of revenue because community comes up with better.

[07:54:48]

d3ity:

would I just need to have the frontend on the laptop? would I need full x11 forwarding? How would I go about doing this?

[07:54:58]

doc|home:

d3ity: yep

[07:55:06]

d3ity:

doc|home, yep to which one?

[07:55:13]

adante:

frontend on laptop should be enough (don't think you need x11 forward)

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doc|home:

just frontend on the laptop, back end on the desktop

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d3ity:

how would I go about setting that up?

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adante:

install the frontend, run mythtv-setup, point the frontend to the backend on the desktop

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d3ity:

when I tried it that way, I did mythtv-setup on my lappy, and it wouldn't let me choose the capture card on the other box'

[07:56:45]

d3ity:

I'll have to try it again... be back in 2 minutes with results

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d3ity:

under the capture cards section of mythtv-setup, I get Failed To Open when selecting the device... also... how should I select the device, since it's connecting to the backend would it just be /dev/v4l/video0 as it is on the main box (with backend)

[08:00:30]

xris:

doc|home: the problem with your argument is that TMS didn't shut down zap2it Labs because of the mythtv community.

[08:00:51]

doc|home:

xris: why did they do it?

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xris:

d3ity: you generally have to set up the cards on the backend that hosts them

[08:01:07]

xris:

doc|home: too many commercial entities abusing the free service, and not enough manpower to track them down

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doc|home:

xris: and i didn't actually say that that was the reason :)

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xris:

well, that's the primary reason they've given.

[08:01:22]

d3ity-turion64:

ok, now I'm on the laptop

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d3ity-turion64:

xris, so how would I go about this setup?

[08:01:58]

d3ity-turion64:

would I just need to skip the mythtv-setup entirley and just configure the frontend?

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doc|home:

so because a few abuse it, everyone has to suffer? how does schedule direct being sold the data, which those same entities can also abuse for a small price stop that?

[08:02:16]

xris:

and trying to replicate what TMS does in the OSS community would be great... except that it would be REALLY hard to do. hundreds of stations/networks to convince to give/sell you data, and then hundreds/thousands of programs to categorize and remove duplicates and enhance with better descriptions, etc. every day.

[08:02:38]

doc|home:

xris: you don't need to convince anyone other than viewers to enter the data

[08:03:01]

xris:

doc|home: where do the viewers get the data?

[08:03:10]

doc|home:

xris: that's for the viewers to decide

[08:03:12]

xris:

d3ity-turion64: X forwarding is built into linux.

[08:03:26]

doc|home:

they could get it from teletext for all the community should care

[08:03:30]

d3ity-turion64:

xris, I thought I did not need x11 forwarding... just to configure the frontend on the other PC

[08:03:52]

xris:

d3ity-turion64: if you want to run the mythtv-setup on the backend and display it on your laptop, you'll need X forwarding.

[08:04:26]

xris:

doc|home: it's been discussed to death on the mailing lists... trust me when I say it's not feasible. At best you'd get coverage in the major markets, but you'd leave thousands of users in smaller areas out in the cold.

[08:04:42]

d3ity-turion64:

xris, what I'm trying to do is this. I've got a tuner card on my desktop. I'd like to be able to watch tv using my laptop.

[08:04:56]

doc|home:

xris: you never said how schedules direct prevents abuse of the data

[08:04:58]

xris:

d3ity-turion64: yup, if it's set up properly as a backend yesh.

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xris:

doc|home: can't talk about those policies/techs.

[08:05:27]

d3ity-turion64:

xris, yes to what? x11 forwarding being my only option, or can I setup the frontend on my laptop and control the desktop's tuner card?

[08:05:30]

xris:

but the price tag is the biggest hindrance

[08:05:37]

doc|home:

that doesn't sound very FOSS like :/

[08:05:47]

xris:

doc|home: it's not. SD is a business.

[08:05:59]

doc|home:

sure, but mythtv's not.

[08:06:02]

xris:

happens to be nonprofit and run by FOSS devs, but it's still a business.

[08:06:15]

xris:

doc|home: and mythtv isn't the only customer of SD.

[08:06:23]

xris:

d3ity-turion64: why can't you just run mythtv-setup on the desktop?

[08:06:24]

** doc|home shrugs **

[08:06:47]

d3ity:

xris, it's already done on the desktop and working

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xris:

d3ity-turion64: if the desktop is listed as the master backend (or the master backend knows about the desktop), the laptop should be able to use it for watching tv.

[08:07:49]

d3ity:

ok, thats what I needed to hear. Now, I just have to get mysql properly configured to allow me to access it from other PCs

[08:08:24]

xris:

doc|home: sorry.. just a little tired, and annoyed at having to explain the new privacy policy to people (and not being able to ACTUALLY explain it because the lawyers told us not to)

[08:08:45]

doc|home:

np

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xris:

d3ity: just make sure that you don't put 127.0.0.1 for the backend IP...

[08:10:44]

d3ity:

xris, yep...

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d3ity-turion64:

so on the frontend box, skip mythtv-setup, configure the frontend to connect to the backend's IP

[08:11:55]

xris:

yup

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d3ity-turion64:

omg it works... yay.

[08:12:00]

** ectospasm is away: gone sleepin' **

[08:12:08]

** xris should go to sleep, too **

[08:12:29]

xris:

maybe the SD signup numbers will be much bigger tomorrow. :)

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d3ity-turion64:

now I definatley need fglrx and I have to give schedulesdirect some $

[08:16:05]

cesman:

xris: much thanks to you and all involved w/ SD

[08:16:11]

cesman:

please give all my regards

[08:16:29]

xris:

cesman: btw, got a question from a knopmyth user about when it'll support SD. did you update to .20.2?

[08:16:45]

xris:

(and thanks / you're welcome / etc)

[08:18:00]

cesman:

yes, we've been testing the latest release fro some time

[08:18:08]

cesman:

should be out by Monday at the latest

[08:18:53]

xris:

cool

[08:19:10]

cesman:

got lots of goodies in there

[08:19:13]

xris:

nice

[08:19:50]

** xris wonders why there are still users signing up for SD at 1:20 AM PDT **

[08:20:17]

cesman:

integrated a few items from the wiki latest v4l-dvb modules, more themes, etc...

[08:20:29]

cesman:

ivtv 1.1.0

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xris:

nice

[08:22:38]

xris:

you should pull my mythweb apache conf file from trunk...

[08:22:47]

xris:

the compression stuff makes mythweb load a LOT faster

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cesman:

nice!

[08:23:52]

cesman:

but, I'm done

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xris:

heh

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xris:

no biggie. it can wait for .21

[08:24:31]

cesman:

from I woke up this morning to a little after 9 tonight I was wrestling w/ 350 TV out and final testing

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xris:

ah

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xris:

I, uh, struggled against being sick.

[08:26:36]

xris:

well, and testing the code that let us roll out the new SD privacy policy

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xris:

anyway, time for me to crash.

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xris:

'night

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|martin|:

hi, i've a problem with myth-tv record scheduling. i plan some showing for recording, press save-changes but these changes aren't commited (the showing is still marked "not planned")

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cesman:

billytwowilly: how are you?

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Schmidt:

Is there a MPD interface in MythTV ?

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fdlinux:

hi all

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Schmidt:

There was, right here http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Client:MythMPD

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fdlinux:

was that for me ?

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fdlinux:

i am also looking for mp3player , but for mythweb

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fdlinux:

i have it working except the playlist

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fdlinux:

it shows undefined

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Schmidt:

hmm

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fdlinux:

i think this is the problem

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Schmidt:

started with MythTV yesterday or so =)

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fdlinux:

//Inside while loop, write song data

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Schmidt:

I use MPD for music playback, and needed something to control it from Myth.

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fdlinux:

anyone that can clarify what this means ? , what do i do withit

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fdlinux:

i am more for mp3player in mythweb :)

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Plantain:

Ahhhh, all along I've been struggling with "Import from channels.conf" because it doesn't work with ~/channels.conf, only absolute paths ;)

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djbmister:

hello people

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djbmister:

Does Ubuntu Gutsy mythstream package work in Ubuntu Feisty?

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laga:

uh

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laga:

if you recompile: yes, most likely

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djbmister:

ok, thanks

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jarle:

in mythweb I miss being able to only show listings for favourite channels, but still let a search go through all the channels, is this possible as of today?

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lagrimo:

hi! is there a possibility to run mythtv without tv card? just as media library to browse my media?

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jarle:

lagrimo: guess that should work just fine, but it might be a bit overkill...

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lagrimo:

overkill?

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jarle:

lagrimo: installing a big system and only use a tiny part of it...

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lagrimo:

yes thats right. are there any alternatvies. because I do not need the tv recorder, yet.

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laga:

freevo

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laga:

mms

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lagrimo:

whats mms?

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laga:

google?

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lagrimo:

multimedia message??

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lagrimo:

you're funny :-/

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laga:

http://mms.kicks-ass.org/

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lagrimo:

and freevo does meet my requirements?

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laga:

it's not like entering "mms linux" into google is too much work..

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laga:

lagrimo: since we don't know your efforts, we can't answer that. you should probably ask the freevo folks

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lagrimo:

of course, that's right

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lagrimo:

thanks until now!

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laga:

i hear that freevo 2 is going to be nice, but di on't know if it's ready yet

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adante:

if it is anything like freevo 1, i can't imagine it would be

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chairman:

Hi, I have two backends slave/master. Each backend has one dvb card with the same channels and runs a frontend. How to I setup the slave backend/frontend combo. When I try to watch tv on the slave backend/frontend it doesn't work it just finds the stuff on the masterbackend

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fragged:

Hey guys, looking for support on buying a new TV Tuner, looking at the Hauppage MCE Nova DVB-T 500, I have two questions, one is will this card be supported under linux, and two is does it have a hardware decoder or are these not required for digital decoding (as analog signal cards used to be cpu intensive)

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Immolo:

fragged- hardware decoders aren't required with dvb-t

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Immolo:

as for card support your friendly neighbourhood wiki can help -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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fragged:

ok cheers =)

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Immolo:

no problem

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Immolo:

I use the normal nova-t and its a nice card

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directhex:

dvb comes down as pre-encoded mpeg2 (or h264) so there's nothing to encode

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Plantain:

I'm sure it's not just me being stupid now, if I've got a recording going, and I try to open mythtv it gives me the warning no inputs are available, but rather than taking me to the menu, it just quits!

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jarle:

How do you guys make mythvideo handle movies that spans multiple files like "disk1.ts disk2.ts disk3.ts" etc... It's a bit annoying having to lookup imdb for each file...

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public:

good morning

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laga:

jarle: you can join those file in the video manager

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public:

I am looking to renumber a block of channels, and wondering if someone knows the SQL code to perform this operation?

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jarle:

laga: I have been browsing through the video manager, but can't seem to remember such a choice...

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jarle:

laga: You mean editing the files together, or just a virtual group?

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laga:

some kind of virtual group

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laga:

don't remember the setting myself, i havent used mythvideo in years

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jarle:

I find mythvideo a bit confusing when a video is split up into several files, and the filename for each name is so long that it will not display the last part of the filename, making it look like thay all have the same filename...

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** jarle is reading the mythvideo documentation to see if he had missed some important points... **

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Immolo:

you use galley or browser listing?

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Immolo:

as I switched to browser for a similar reason

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jarle:

Immolo: My main problem is in the video manager, trying to configure a multipart video, and the setting "play this file after" (or something) I can not see the disk2 part of the next file when browsing for the next file to play (the filename is too long)

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Immolo:

oh then I can't help you :P

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jarle:

BTW: can a multipart .ts file just be cat'ed together like this: "cat film*.ts > completefilm.ts"?

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Immolo:

yeah

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Patina:

Any ideas to why I can change channel with tvtime, but not with mythtv?

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tcpsyn:

you get a channel with mythtv, but it won't change?

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tcpsyn:

Can you change channels from the program guide?

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Patina:

I can set the channel with tvtime, exit tvtime and see that channel in myth.

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Patina:

Where do I find the program guide?

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jarle:

Patina: press "M" for the menu..

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tcpsyn:

type M from within the mythtv frontend

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jarle:

Patina: Then select program guide from the menu..

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jarle:

How come I get no effect using XvMC in myth, seems like I have 99% CPU usage playing 1080P both with and without XVMC???

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ChrisAshton84:

can anyone help me get myth setup so it doesn't adjust PCM capture (it should use Mic capture) volumes? this is creating a nasty echo – and the only mailing list entries I've found haven't been answered, so I have looked there

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Patina:

tcpsyn: No, does not work either.

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tcpsyn:

patina, have you scanned for channels in mythbackend?

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tcpsyn:

christasht, what are you trying to use capture for?

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ChrisAshton84:

tcpsyn: to connect the line out of my tv card

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Patina:

I have. The channel name and logo changes, but not the picture.

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s1m0n:

hello, i'm looking for an usb-tv-card that works properly under linux. does anybody such a card? i've googled already but didn't find very much.

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s1m0n:

sry, typo: does anybody know such a card?

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ChrisAshton84:

right now I have all default values (/dev/dsp and /dev/mixer) and have tried different values for 'Mixer Controls'... perhaps I just haven't found the right one

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usg990a7285:

hello all. I am running mythtv from svn and am having an issue with mythmusic and my database

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tcpsyn:

chrisasht, I don't get it, why would you do that.

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usg990a7285:

I am cleaning up the structure of my files and updating the tags of the mp3s but scanning for new music

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tcpsyn:

patina, are you using a STB?

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usg990a7285:

does not pick up the tag changes. Should it?

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tcpsyn:

usg990a72, I would assume so..

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Patina:

tcpsyn: What is STB?

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tcpsyn:

patina, a set top box

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tcpsyn:

cable box

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tcpsyn:

satalite box

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ChrisAshton84:

tcpsyn: my tv card doesn't pass audio through pci and I have to run the line to my soundcard. it's pretty standard for bt848 based tv cards.

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usg990a7285:

tcpsyn: any thoughts on how to force it to reread the tags?

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Patina:

No, no cable box, antenna and a cinergy tuner card

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tcpsyn:

patina, The only thing I can think of, is that the channel scan was bad, that's just a guess though.

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tcpsyn:

chrisasht, so would you want to use the line in as opposed to the mic?

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tcpsyn:

the mic has a preamp

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Patina:

tcpsyn: v4lctl should be able to control the tuner, right? It can't.

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tcpsyn:

I really don't know

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Patina:

Don't think it was bad channel scan, but am trying again anyway.

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ChrisAshton84:

tcpsyn: I've got a good sound card (audigy) so the mic has enough gain on it, and my tuner is mono. as for line in, for some reason it doesn't play audio.

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ChrisAshton84:

in either case, though, myth would be adjusting pcm capture not mic / line2 capture, so it would generate the echo I'm getting no matter what

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usg990a7285:

Any thoughts on how to force a reread of the mp3 tags short of bouncing the db tables?

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Aval0n:

hey guys, I've messed around trying to get my picture to look good, I had a bad signal for a while which was resolved by replaced my connectors outside the house. Live TV looks good now but when I record shows, they look very grainy. I set the birate thes same on the encoder as my LiveTV settings, and used the High Quality profile with 720x480 res. the odd thing is, the commercials in my recording almost look better than the show itself. Any suggestion

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billytwowilly:

cesman: I'm good, sorry, I went to bed after I logged on, then came back and didn't check IRC because I was watching a movie.

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ChrisAshton84:

anyone here using line in or mic for sound for tv?

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Zombie:

I found out V4Lv1 Compatibility is broken for my card

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Zombie:

Its an MSI Anywhere Plus saa7134

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Zombie:

How do I make mythTV use V4L2?

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tank-man:

recompile the kernel

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tank-man:

to include v4l2

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srwalter:

Zombie: what distro/kernel are you running?

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Zombie:

Mandriva 2007.1, Kernel 2.6.17.15mdv

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Zombie:

The card works correctly under Mplayer and TVtime

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Zombie:

but not under MythTV

[17:01:49]

srwalter:

well, if the answer is "no," I'm going to code a fix

[17:02:07]

Zombie:

What?

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sphery:

srwalter: The display size is completely separate from the aspect ratio in X. You can have a display size with a 4:3 ratio and have an aspect ratio set to 16:9.

[17:02:30]

srwalter:

I mean, mythtv treats sound differently than tvtime

[17:02:48]

srwalter:

tvtime probably just routes it directly through your sound card, whereas mythtv captures it

[17:02:51]

mchou:

Zombie: no, then you have it set up incorrectly in myth

[17:03:10]

srwalter:

so are you sure that you have myth capturing sound correctly? using the right sound card, correct input, mixer settings correct

[17:03:38]

ben1:

is there any way to fix the weather on the web

[17:03:58]

mchou:

Zombie: if the card works in tvtime/mplayer, etc. and not myth it's most likely a myth misconfig issue

[17:04:19]

sphery:

srwalter: So if you configure it that way (IIRC, you have a 4:3 pixel ratio on a 16:9 aspect TV), Myth will automatically display video with the proper aspect.

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sphery:

srwalter: unless you have dual-head/TwinView/Xinerama enabled, in which case you haev to explicitly specify the aspect ratio in the Xinerama section

[17:06:18]

srwalter:

I don't have xinerama enabled, but this is xorg 7.2; I remember reading that myth always thinks xinerama enabled there

[17:06:58]

sphery:

It's probably enabled by your distro

[17:07:23]

srwalter:

possibly. ubuntu feisty. but I tried setting XineramaMonitorAspectRatio in mysql to 1.7777, to no avail

[17:07:25]

Aval0n:

guys how do I set which recording profile to use, I see Low Medium High and LiveTV

[17:07:37]

Aval0n:

if I go and configure one of those profiles does that mean myth is now using it?

[17:08:46]

Zombie:

Now I get a segfault.

[17:08:48]

mchou:

Zombie: echo "select videodevice,cardtype from capturecard;" | mysql -u username -ppassword mythconverg;

[17:09:24]

mchou:

Zombie: paste results here.

[17:09:39]

mchou:

shouldn't be more than a few lines

[17:09:45]

Zombie:

videodevice cardtype

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Zombie:

/dev/v4l/video0 V4L

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mchou:

Zombie: well, card is set up correctly in myth then :)

[17:13:14]

mchou:

Zombie: you need to show us the mythbackend logs.......

[17:13:26]

mchou:

put in pastebin.com

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mchou:

Zombie: as bad as it sounds I think you'd be better off getting a new capture card

[17:14:56]

srwalter:

Zombie: that card will work with myth

[17:15:06]

srwalter:

what sound device is myth configured to capture from?

[17:15:23]

Zombie:

I paid $140 for the Card and everything that goes with it.

[17:15:32]

Zombie:

http://pastebin.ca/688818

[17:15:32]

mchou:

$140??

[17:15:35]

srwalter:

...I hope "everything that goes with it" is a lot

[17:15:42]

mchou:

you gotta be kidding me

[17:15:57]

mchou:

a HW encoder doesnt cost that much

[17:16:10]

mchou:

and yours is a POS SW encoder

[17:16:50]

Aval0n:

bah

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Aval0n:

thanks fo rthe input guy s:)

[17:17:07]

mchou:

Zombie: dude, line 74

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Zombie:

I see it.

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mchou:

Zombie: "echo select * from cardinput;" | mysql -u username -ppassword mythconverg

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mchou:

paste results in pastebin

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mchou:

Zombie: in fact my HW encoders only cost me $25

[17:21:00]

Zombie:

-bash: echo select * from cardinput;: command not found

[17:21:16]

mchou:

pvr 150

[17:21:28]

Zombie:

This card was part of a package deal to do multiple repairs including a damaged Bios fan.

[17:21:30]

mchou:

Zombie: you need the quotation marks

[17:22:03]

RavenFire:

make that echo "select ... not "echo select

[17:22:08]

mchou:

Zombie: Bios Fan?? why would the BIOS need a fan??

[17:22:31]

mchou:

RavenFire: thanks dude

[17:22:38]

Zombie:

There are fans all over this machine.

[17:22:46]

mchou:

Zombie: lol

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Zombie:

I still can't keep the thing below 50C

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mchou:

Zombie: the goal is to eliminate fans, not add as many as possible

[17:23:29]

mchou:

Zombie: what proc is this?

[17:23:40]

Zombie:

proc?

[17:23:48]

mchou:

Zombie: processor

[17:24:02]

mchou:

Zombie: get with it dude

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Zombie:

An AMD Athlon 3000+ with 1.5 GB RAM

[17:24:27]

rick__:

I switched from atrpms to svn, got everything working correctly, except for the remote, irw returns key presses, however myth doesn't seem to be getting any data...

[17:24:41]

mchou:

Zombie: A64 or older?

[17:24:52]

Zombie:

No, its not an AMD64

[17:25:03]

rick__:

I keep reading that you need to compile in native lirc support, but cant seem to find that option?

[17:25:06]

mchou:

Zombie: you need a processor upgrade

[17:25:16]

mchou:

Zombie: seriously

[17:25:26]

Zombie:

This is an upgrade based on what was there before.

[17:25:27]

mchou:

old procs are power suckers

[17:25:37]

mchou:

new procs much more efficient

[17:25:47]

mchou:

A64 are good deals

[17:25:58]

Zombie:

Before it was an AMD 1600+ with 916 MB RAM.

[17:26:28]

mchou:

Zombie: trust me, a proc upgrade will save you money, cause of less electric bills

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mchou:

you pay more up front but you save more in the long run

[17:27:07]

Zombie:

I'm broke due to Uni Tuition

[17:27:13]

mchou:

not to mention savings on fans and cooling and whatnot

[17:27:18]

Zombie:

This hardware was donated.,

[17:27:22]

sphery:

rick__: mythfrontend --version should say whether you have LIRC support (using_lirc)

[17:27:32]

Zombie:

Anyway.

[17:27:38]

Zombie:

We are getting off track.

[17:27:55]

mchou:

I'm going to brunch

[17:27:56]

sphery:

rick__: If so, fix your LIRC config. If not, your headers/libs are installed into the "wrong" locations so configure isn't finding them

[17:28:07]

jarle:

I'm using mythtv from ubuntu's pacakages, is there anything sepcail I need to do to enable xvmc in myth/mplayer?

[17:29:05]

rick__:

sphery: not there :(

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sphery:

jarle: Set "Preferred MPEG2 Decoder" to "Standard XvMC"

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jhatch:

quick question folks: How do I completely blow away and restore the listings database? mythfilldatabase --refresh-all doesn't seem to do the trick... I have data for every day excelt today (tomorrow and yesterday are fine)

[17:29:44]

sphery:

jarle: (unless you want VIA XvMC)

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sphery:

rick__: look at configure, you need liblirc_client and lirc/lirc_client.h in standard lib/include directories (respectively)

[17:30:46]

rick__:

sphery: where does myth want the lib?

[17:30:59]

rick__:

ok

[17:31:17]

sphery:

rick__: make sure the lib is in a directory that's in your ld.so.conf and use ldconfig if you have to add it

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jarle:

sphery: This only applies to the internal player, right?

[17:31:55]

sphery:

rick__: BTW, LIRC support is automatically enabled

[17:32:17]

sphery:

jarle: yep, so MPlayer would require a different approach (that I don't know ;)

[17:32:41]

rick__:

sphery: cool, so after i get the location issue fixed I wouln't need to add any extra flags to confgiure?

[17:32:51]

sphery:

rick__: right

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sphery:

srwalter: still around?

[17:33:19]

srwalter:

aye

[17:33:28]

sphery:

want to look into your aspect issue?

[17:33:36]

srwalter:

yes, and I have some interesting news

[17:33:38]

sphery:

I have a bit of time, now

[17:33:42]

sphery:

cool

[17:33:47]

srwalter:

if I use the i810 driver, it does the right thing. intel, however does not

[17:33:49]

jarle:

sphery: I get *VERY* choppy playback using the internal player on 1080p no matter which setting I have (Standard, ffmpeg, xvmc, via-xvmc)

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srwalter:

i810 only wants to drive my tv at 640x480, tho

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srwalter:

i810 supplies the correct physical dimensions to xdpyinfo

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sphery:

srwalter: you would be using a video chipset that I have no experience with... :)

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jarle:

sphery: starting to wonder if there is some other place I need to configure... like the xorg.conf?

[17:34:50]

sphery:

jarle: what video card?

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srwalter:

sphery: it's looking like it's more of an xorg issue than a myth issue

[17:36:02]

jarle:

sphery: GeForce 7300GS

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Zombie:

Works again, but still no sound

[17:37:08]

sphery:

jarle: What type of video (MPEG-2, right--XvMC won't work with any other type using NVIDIA drivers)

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sphery:

jarle: And MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) is likely to choke any general-purpose CPU in existence unless you're using a patched ffmpeg with the parallel h.264 decoder (which Myth isn't, yet)

[17:38:31]

jarle:

sphery: it is H264.1080P

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sphery:

srwalter: OK. On the list a guy who's using an Intel 915 with the intel driver had an issue and got it working once I mentioned the Xinerama settings, so it can work...

[17:39:24]

sphery:

srwalter: See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/287400#287400 , if interested.

[17:39:32]

sphery:

srwalter: We'll go through your settings in a moment

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jarle:

sphery: so no reason using xvmc on h.264?

[17:39:42]

sphery:

jarle: exactly

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srwalter:

I'll check it out, but unfortunately X crashes whenever I enable xinerama with the intel driver

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sphery:

jarle: You're likely to have to play that with MPlayer compiled with an ffmpeg with the parallel h.264 decoder patch

[17:40:45]

sphery:

jarle: Or to wait "sufficient time" for that patch to be committed to the ffmpeg SVN, then for a release, then for the distros to start using that release... :)

[17:41:19]

jarle:

sphery: I can just about play it using my "standard" mplayer, but it is running the CPU at 99%...

[17:41:25]

sphery:

jarle: And then you'll need a dual-core/dual-CPU system (or better), but likely any dual-processor could handle the decoding

[17:41:43]

jarle:

sphery: I have a dual...

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sphery:

jarle: Yeah, and probably dropping a lot of frames.

[17:41:55]

sphery:

But better than nothing :)

[17:45:17]

jarle:

sphery: do you have mplayer running with that patch?

[17:45:54]

sphery:

jarle: Nope. I also don't have H.264. :)

[17:45:56]

jarle:

sphery: will mplayer from the svn trunk include this patch?

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sphery:

So, with no content, haven't been playing with the patch.

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sphery:

jarle: You'll need ffmpeg from SVN with the patch (at least the patch wasn't committed last week--though it may have been since as it was "accepted")

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XLV:

40mbit H264 content for testing http://rapidshare.com/files/12401767/CrowdCross.40000.mp4.html

[17:47:21]

sphery:

Then you'll need MPlayer built against that ffmpeg (though I don't know for sure whether MPlayer always uses system ffmpeg or embeds its own)

[17:47:38]

XLV:

that one plays on windows well on a q6600, but not on a e6320 or x2 3800.. in ubuntu feisty it doesnt play at all, probably needs that patched ffmpeg

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sphery:

srwalter: What do you have for an xorg.conf, for XineramaMonitorAspectRatio (should be 1.7777 if Xinerama is enabled, and you shouldn't see the setting in mythfrontend settings if it's not), for AspectOverride (should be 0), for TVVidModeForceAspect% (should be 0.0),

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sphery:

jarle: Looks like the parallel h.264 decoder was just committed to ffmpeg.

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srwalter:

sphery: I'll answer that when I finish my current experiment

[17:52:39]

srwalter:

(don't want to waste your time if this works)

[17:52:42]

sphery:

OK. I hope you don't have to answer. (Hope this experiment works)

[17:52:50]

srwalter:

me too

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srwalter:

the experiment is to replace DisplayHeightMM calls with XRandR calls

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srwalter:

in videoout_xv

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sphery:

It should work on an unmodified setup, though.

[17:55:40]

srwalter:

should except that xdpyinfo ignores DisplaySize

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srwalter:

i.e., I'm working around a driver bug in myth

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sphery:

srwalter: j-rod is also probably a very good person to talk to if you see him around here as I think he uses the intel driver (and knows it /much/ better than I)

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sphery:

srwalter: It's quite common for a driver to explicitly ignore DisplaySize (as a matter of fact, DisplaySize is the least-preferred approach to setting, er, display size, for the NVIDIA driver.

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jarle:

sphery: great, I'll give it a try...

[17:58:06]

srwalter:

well, the weird thing is that xrandr shows the right thing

[17:58:09]

sphery:

srwalter: NVIDIA has a DPI option that is used (and DisplaySize is ignored if DPI is specified).

[17:58:29]

sphery:

srwalter: However, both are ignored if the display reports a valid size or DPI via EDID

[17:59:04]

sphery:

srwalter: I'd guess that the intel driver is similar (though options/option names may be different)--but it is just a guess.

[17:59:06]

srwalter:

I've tried disabling DDC, to no effect

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RavenFire:

Silly question: What's the current version of MythTV? I ask because mythtv.org says 0.20.2, but the binaries I installed using urpmi on a Mandriva Spring 2007 install came through as 0.20.3

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** sphery likes the NVIDIA README.txt much better than the intel driver docs **

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AndyCap:

sphery: hehe, there's few things you can't get working with it. but there's a price to pay..

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sphery:

RavenFire: It's 0.20.2, but most packagers are using 0.20-fixes (which they should be using) and due to "limitations" of the package management systems, need to "invent" version numbers to tell it that 0.20-fixes versions are newer than 0.20.2 version.

[18:03:57]

xris:

RavenFire: most distro packges pull directly from the "fixes" branch... some "predict" the next version number in their package string.

[18:03:59]

RavenFire:

sphery: ah ha, I gotcha, thanks – I was much confused =)

[18:04:23]

sphery:

xris is much more efficient with words than I

[18:04:31]

xris:

except that you were faster.

[18:04:53]

sphery:

probably started typing first :)

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RavenFire:

I'm having a bear of a time getting this to work – the install went smoothly, all dependencies installed fine, yet I keep getting a segfault every time I launch either "mythtv" or "mythtv-setup"

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RavenFire:

I get as far in the initialization as: 2007-09–09 14:04:54.497 Using screen 0, 1296x754 at 0,0 \ 2007-09–09 14:04:54.533 Current Schema Version: 1160 \ Segmentation fault

[18:06:35]

xris:

RavenFire: you're not supposed to launch "mythtv"

[18:06:52]

sphery:

AndyCap: If you're an intel driver user and you know about DisplaySize/DPI/non-square pixels with that driver, srwalter would probably love some input

[18:06:58]

xris:

but mythtv-setup should work. try adding: -v all

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trevarthan:

Hello. Can someone tell me why my new schedulesdirect listings aren't working? Here's a snippet from the mythfilldatabase log: http://pastebin.ca/688891

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sphery:

AndyCap: BTW, I remembered why I have the existent, but randomly-changed password for mythtv rather than a locked account--so I can su from my account without having to go through root's account first.

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sphery:

AndyCap: I remembered by locking the account (as you mentioned). When I later tried to su, it all came back to me. :)

[18:08:50]

srwalter:

sphery: sudo su – mythtv

[18:08:57]

sphery:

(technically, ksu, but...)

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RavenFire:

xris: whoops on the mythtv part =) But running mythtv-setup -v all adds a bunch of MSqlQuery lines, ending with: 2007-09–09 14:06:17.237 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'TVVidModeHeight0' AND hostname IS NULL; \ Segmentation fault

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sphery:

srwalter: Yeah, I don't type my password across the network.

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AndyCap:

sphery: hehe.

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sacredheart:

Yo, is there a preferred manufacturer of video cards with tv-out which works better with linux?

[18:11:04]

sacredheart:

ATI? Nvidia?

[18:11:21]

sphery:

sacredheart: NVIDIA drivers are /way/ better than ATI drivers for Myth right now.

[18:11:35]

AndyCap:

sacredheart: what's your tv-input?

[18:11:46]

sacredheart:

sphery: Okey

[18:11:54]

sacredheart:

Anduin: None, at the moment

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gcr:

I'm having trouble with the firewire and schedule direct. I have read the bug report and tried the work around, but I still cannot get any channels. I have "unlinked" the schedule direct from the firewire capture card. Then I have run the mfdb with the --do-channel-updates --do-not-filter-new-channels --only-update-channels options. My channels table is still empty

[18:12:08]

sacredheart:

AndyCap I mean

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sphery:

sacredheart: IMHO, only people who like pain (and don't care to have a working Myth box) should use ATI

[18:12:14]

AndyCap:

sacredheart: no, how do you plan to connect to the tv..

[18:12:57]

AndyCap:

sphery: I use ATI. but thats for a rather special case.. moving to dvi and nvidia now.. :P perhaps I'll look at ati again when specs materializze

[18:13:33]

gcr:

Yeah, I'm looking forward to ATI's stuff being open sourced! Yay for AMD (finally)

[18:13:37]

sacredheart:

AndyCap: Oh, doh, I have a steam tv (CRT :) right now, with scart input, i've got s-video + audio going to a scart-converter today from my windows pc

[18:14:01]

sacredheart:

So s-video, until I get a new tv set (in a while)

[18:14:04]

sphery:

AndyCap: Yeah, if AMD follows through on their promise for better Linux drivers, this time, ATI may be a good deal in the future.

[18:14:05]

AndyCap:

sacredheart: ok. in theory you could use VGA to rgb-scart if you want to put in a little effort

[18:14:22]

sacredheart:

AndyCap: Is the effort worth it?

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gcr:

Has anybody worked with the firewire schedule direct channel problem?

[18:14:36]

sphery:

gcr: Did they actually say they're being open-sourced?

[18:14:39]

trevarthan:

gcr: I'm having trouble with schedulesdirect too. I can't seem to get it to give me listings.

[18:14:43]

srwalter:

sphery: thought you'd like to know that my experiment worked

[18:14:46]

sphery:

I just heard a promise for better Linux support

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sphery:

srwalter: Cool.

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srwalter:

it also appears to be a known bug that DisplaySize is ignored

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sphery:

srwalter: Because I was in way over my head. :)

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gcr:

trevarthan: have you looked at the bug and work around yet?

[18:15:14]

trevarthan:

gcr: which bug? which workaround?

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srwalter:

there's a patch to fix the xserver, so I'll probably use that fix instead of hacking myth

[18:15:29]

srwalter:

thanks for your help, though :)

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gcr:

trevarthan: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3842 and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14355

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sphery:

srwalter: That sounds like a better approach. Good luck and glad it's fixed.

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gcr:

Let me know how it works for you, I still get no guide data and no channels in my channel table...

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AndyCap:

sacredheart: I've been happy with it on my crt. and a 9000 series ati radeon card. it's not great for desktop use, but nice for tv

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gcr:

I'm thinking about compiling from trunk, but I really liked the yum install from atrpms for fedora. I haven't compiled mythtv in a long time....

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trevarthan:

gcr: I'm not using firewire. does that still apply?

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gcr:

That's what its about

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gcr:

I've got another link for you

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gcr:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/285693

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sphery:

trevarthan: only a bug with firewire

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gcr:

Meant to send that one earlier...

[18:17:36]

sphery:

trevarthan: what do you get when you try SD?

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gcr:

I can't seem to get the workaround to work around :-)

[18:18:21]

sphery:

gcr: Do you have any non-firewire capture cards?

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gcr:

No I sure don't

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trevarthan:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/688891

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trevarthan:

sphery, gcr: I've submitted a SD listings report. not sure if that's appropriate though.

[18:19:08]

sphery:

trevarthan: That's a problem with TMS's servers. It was down yesterday. Was up for at least a bit today, but might be down again.

[18:19:22]

gcr:

I was really interested in a fix that Curtis (I think it was) did in the datadirect.cpp.

[18:19:35]

trevarthan:

ok. so I did the right thing then, and it'll probably clear up.

[18:19:37]

sphery:

trevarthan: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/288693#288693

[18:19:47]

Anduin:

trevarthan: Some people are also seeing empty <program> sections as well (TMS problem)

[18:19:55]

sphery:

trevarthan: Or for the direct discussion http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=285

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gcr:

I'm seeing empty guide and empty channels even trying that work around (I unlink the schedule direct from the firewire card)

[18:20:59]

sacredheart:

AndyCap: Allright, since ATI is going oss on their drivers I might consider an ATI-card, regardless what sphery said :)

[18:21:12]

trevarthan:

yeah, ok. I didn't even realize SD had a forum. should have checked there first I guess. Thanks for the info folks.

[18:21:31]

sphery:

trevarthan: Where's the source saying ATI is going OSS?

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AndyCap:

sacredheart: I would expect a period of pain though.

[18:21:48]

trevarthan:

sphery: dunno. gcr was talking about that, I think.

[18:21:53]

AndyCap:

sphery: they're going to share specs, not code. just a sec

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AndyCap:

sphery: http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/

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sphery:

AndyCap: thx

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gcr:

Share the specs, right. That's what I read. Thanks AndyCap

[18:22:29]

sacredheart:

AndyCap: I like it rough ;)

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trevarthan:

Hey, does anyone know if someone has made mythtv 0.20.2 RPMs for FC5? I'm dreading an OS upgrade on one of my mythtv boxes.

[18:22:44]

AndyCap:

which judging from the quality of fglrx is probably better

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sacredheart:

Come to think of it

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gcr:

trevarthan: Be careful of fedora 7

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gcr:

The firewire is incompatible.

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sacredheart:

I have an ATI card laying around

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AndyCap:

trevarthan: only madmen package mythtv so you'll probably not find that

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gcr:

It was fairly easy to fix though

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gcr:

Using atrpms.

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sphery:

Wow. I'll be going back to ATI (unless NVIDIA does the same). Won't have any problems throwing away my GeForce 7800 GTX, either.

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sphery:

(Of course, I'll be waiting until I can get appropriate support from the OSS ATI drivers. :)

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sacredheart:

bbl

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gcr:

trevarthan: atrpms has the 20.2 all packaged up and yummy for fedora 7

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gcr:

But it doesn't have this latest fix. I guess I should build it from source, eh?

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trevarthan:

How hard is it to upgrade from FC5 to FC6 or FC7?

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trevarthan:

Is it basically a complete HDD wipe and reload?

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trevarthan:

or is it like a yum upgrade?

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gcr:

I keep my partitions separated, so it makes it a little safer

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gcr:

but there is an upgrade previous release

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AndyCap:

trevarthan: a wipe is probably easier, but you _can_ yum upgrade if you like a little pain

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gcr:

option in the isntaller

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Zombie:

MythTV Works again, but still no sound

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Zombie:

I don't think its using v4l2

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trevarthan:

Geez, I'd hate to do this every month or two. I'm running gentoo on my other machines, and it's a bitch to compile mythtv, but at least the rest of my OS stays the same.

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gcr:

Yeah I've used the yum upgrade option quite a few times, but it is so much more painful than just burning the dvd/cds

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trevarthan:

Is there a better option than FC?

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sphery:

gcr: I would recommend asking on the -users list, first, about getting the firewire channels into 0.20-fixes with /only/ firewire. Daniel will almost certainly respond to your question, and will likely benefit from the feedback that will result.

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trevarthan:

does centos do mythtv?

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sphery:

trevarthan: ATrpms does CentOS packages

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gcr:

sphery: ty. I'll do that now

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AndyCap:

trevarthan: why don't you use gentoo then? :P I do think axel has started doing centos

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gcr:

Linux uses Fedora, so that's good enough for me

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gcr:

Linus I mean

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sphery:

trevarthan: And Axel was recommending that people who don't like the "constant FC upgrade" approach use CentOS

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gcr:

I was shocked of course :-)

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trevarthan:

AndyCap: I'm trying to phase out Gentoo. I hate compiling things as I get older. But I still don't like the FC constant upgrade thing either

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AndyCap:

centos is nice. but if you use fedora regularly centos is only fun to install right after a major release, after a while it starts feeling a little old. :P

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trevarthan:

yeah. that's what I'm worried about.

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directhex:

*cough*debian*cough*

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AndyCap:

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