Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, September 6th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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H00chster:

correct GreyFoxx but do you have the matching MCE Keyboard as well?

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GreyFoxx:

At least not for my version of it

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GreyFoxx:

H00chster: Nope, just the remote/receiver

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H00chster:

the remote works out of the box no prob very nice

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Yahooadam:

i think my problem may have been partly a bad guide, and partly cos i didnt restart between switiching from serial to mceusb2

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H00chster:

but the patched driver kormoc made and got the mce-mod developer to include makes the keyboard and blaster work.

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H00chster:

but lirc cvs hasn't included that yet

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GreyFoxx:

Man that was so easy I'll definately be recommending that remote + cvs lirc when users ask

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H00chster:

ya I can't stand mickeysoft heh but the remote is quite nice and VERY easy to get going in myth heh so I often recommend it lol

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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H00chster:

can't beat it that everything you need is included heh

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H00chster:

don't even have to go through the pain of learning keys heh

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GreyFoxx:

now to map a few custom buttons :)

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GreyFoxx:

xris's example config in contrib certainly helped :)

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H00chster:

indeed

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H00chster:

only thing I changed was the jump buttons and the channel up/down stuff in myth's edit keys

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H00chster:

if only I could keep it from turning my xbox on when the media button is pressed ROFLMAO

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H00chster:

but I ended up just programming the harmony to that remote heh that fixed that lol

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GreyFoxx:

Once I setup Recorded TV as a Jumppoint to watch recordings and DVD Menu to launch mythvideo I'll be pretty happy :)

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H00chster:

exactly what I set my dvd menu too heh

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H00chster:

and livetv of course to livetv and set guide to the TV Playback guide

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GreyFoxx:

I'm n ot sure what yet but I'm gonna use those 2 for something else since I don't really use either of those functions :)

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H00chster:

heh

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Yahooadam:

bah

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Yahooadam:

u dont use the guide button ? >_<

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Yahooadam:

thats like the best button ever :p

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GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: Extremely rarely, not enough to dedicate a button to it :)

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xris:

GreyFoxx: yeah. too bad I don't actually use my own remote.... though j-rod is getting the lirc kernel modules into the official fedora kernel, so it'll be a lot easier for me to keep the drivers up to date with my kernel soon.

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GreyFoxx:

xris: hehe

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Yahooadam:

i wish they would update packages faster on ubuntu

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Yahooadam:

oh

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Yahooadam:

mythtv is 0.20.2

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

meh ok so maybe they do update well :p

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Yahooadam:

*shuts up*

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmmm IS there a WAtch Recordings jumppoint ?

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GreyFoxx:

Admittedly I'm only looking in mythweb for it

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H00chster:

greyfoxx

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H00chster:

it is called TV Playback Recordings

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H00chster:

or TV Playback Recorded Shows or something like that but starts with TV Playback

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

TV Recording Playback

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GreyFoxx:

duh, I shoulda tried that. Thanks!

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H00chster:

np

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juski:

Yahooadam: really getting somewhere with my scripts now :)

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juski:

got the postcode lookup stuff done & working

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juski:

got most of the provider & package data done & parsable

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** juski goes to bed. g'night all **

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H00chster:

night juski

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Yahooadam:

nice one juski :D

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Yahooadam:

just finishing this game ;)

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John:

Can anyone help me?

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Yahooadam:

dont ask to ask, just ask

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John:

How would I use two different machines to be a backend and a frontend?

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Yahooadam:

setup the backend

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Yahooadam:

like normal

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Yahooadam:

on the frontend, enter the ip of the backend

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Yahooadam:

done

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John:

I thought it was harder

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Yahooadam:

have you used mythtv b4 ?

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fryfrog:

thats what she said

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fryfrog:

you'll also need to make sure your mysql server accept connections on your network (not just localhost)

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John:

Yes but it was many years ago

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Yahooadam:

from my experience, connecting a frontend to a remote backend is the easy bit

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techjimbo:

hey guys, I've roamed the FAQ. who does the listings now? I heard about zap2it

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Yahooadam:

Schedules Direct

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techjimbo:

how's the support? flawless?

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John:

Is there rpm's for el5?

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Yahooadam:

el5 = ?

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Yahooadam:

as for SD support, asking in here is usually a good bet

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Yahooadam:

but its atleast as good as Z2I if not better

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John:

Red Hat Linux Enterprise Linux 5 same as CentOS

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John:

I use CentOS for my servers

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techjimbo:

SMEserver looks quick and easy.

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Yahooadam:

john, it doesnt especially look like it at a quick glance

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Yahooadam:

i know there is for FC5

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John:

CentOS is a distro based on el5

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Yahooadam:

it seems you can use apt-get on red hat though ...

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John:

CentOS uses yum repos

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Yahooadam:

most people seem to reccomend compiling it ... so ...

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Yahooadam:

i cant see any RPM's

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Yahooadam:

mythtv is only officially distributed in source format

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John:

I have a feeling that it might be in the rpmforge repo

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Yahooadam:

http://atrpms.net/topic/multimedia/ – this apparently has it

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Yahooadam:

"Red Hat Linux and Fedora Core packages for MythTV and all of its add-on modules"

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John:

I use these repos along woth the Core repos: drbl, epel, atrpms, rpmforge

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John:

atrpms has them

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Yahooadam:

so it would seem a yum install mythtv will work .. ?

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John:

with the atrpm repo list installed

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John:

then yes you can installing

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John:

Compiling

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fundies:

cancan i install mythtv to my tivo?

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fryfrog:

no, thanks come again!

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Yahooadam:

"The TiVo is running fairly specialized hardware, so it'd be a real pain to have to tailor MythTV to that. I bet it'd just be easier and way less time consuming to buy a mini-itx fanless PC, and run MythTV on that."

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Yahooadam:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mythtv+on+ti . . . enGB225GB225

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Yahooadam:

http://ask.pvrblog.com/2004/10/tivo_to_mythtv.html

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Yahooadam:

bam bam bam

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Yahooadam:

pretty easy ...

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iamben:

"it'd actually take some effort to do that..."

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Yahooadam:

if i select "Find and record one showing of this title."

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Yahooadam:

in mythtv

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fundies:

ok well i got a directtv tivo

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fundies:

and i want to use it with cable

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Yahooadam:

will that record every episode, once ?

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fundies:

do i hae any options?

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fryfrog:

thats uh, not likely to ever happen

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fryfrog:

yeah, sure

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fryfrog:

sell it on ebay/craigslist

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fryfrog:

buy a cable tivo

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fundies:

no i want to image the hardriive or something of that nature

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fryfrog:

i think you are having a fundamental issue of not comprehending the differences between satalite and cable

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fryfrog:

it is easy to summarize with the phrase "they are very different" perhaps

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Ryushin:

Is there something like this http://www.woot.com/ that can be used for a mini frontend for myth. Does Myth support IPTV?

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fundies:

fryfrog but theres a cable port on the tivo

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fryfrog:

is that to let it record ota locals?

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BHSPitMonkey:

Hiya.

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fundies:

fryfrog theres a cable in and 2 satilite ins and 1 cable out

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Yahooadam:

"Dont ask to Ask Just Ask"

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Yahooadam:

im so gonna have to make a macro for that

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sphery:

Yahooadam: Find and record one showing of this title is appropriate for movies. Record at any time on any channel is good for all episodes of a series.

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fryfrog:

fundies: so... then just use it?

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Yahooadam:

sphery – "Record at any time on any channel." wont re-record episodes ?

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Ryushin:

Yahooadam: Well, their are trying to be polite. They've probably been beaten up by going to the FreeBSD/Solaris/other elitist channel.

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sphery:

Yahooadam: Nope. Not if you enable duplicate detection.

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fundies:

fryfrog cant the ghey directv software only checks satilite

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Yahooadam:

ok ty sphery :)

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Yahooadam:

hmm mythtv could actually be quite good

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Yahooadam:

well when juski gets his setup thing done i might tie in my sky connection and start using it :)

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sphery:

mine is quite good (not to say it couldn't be improved)

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Yahooadam:

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 512 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/programs.php on line 420

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Yahooadam:

bah !

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sphery:

Yahooadam: You need to increase the PHP memory size.

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Yahooadam:

its ok now

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sphery:

cool

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Yahooadam:

i realised, i was trying to search all films, and all series

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Yahooadam:

(with no criteria as i was trying to find 4* films)

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Yahooadam:

= alot of results

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sphery:

Yeah. A search for nothing is similarly interesting.

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sphery:

nothing finds everything

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Yahooadam:

:)

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Yahooadam:

search with no critera = no filter ;)

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sphery:

right

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Yahooadam:

can you watch stuff off mythweb ?

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sphery:

yes/no

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Yahooadam:

ah

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Yahooadam:

it opens it with mythtv

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sphery:

You can do direct download, ASX streaming, and Flash video (Flash and maybe ASX only in SVN trunk), but they all have limitations

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Yahooadam:

hmm :(

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sphery:

Flash is a proof-of-concept implementation that needs a /lot/ of supporting backend code that's not there, yet, to be done correctly..

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clever:

the mythtv protocol is simple

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clever:

to me

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clever:

if i knew the interface for vlc/mplayer i could probly add mythtv support to them

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sphery:

My backends are unable to even play back my recordings (HDTV) in real time, but the Flash approach requires transcoding in real time.

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sphery:

clever: Yeah. It was designed to be simple.

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clever:

sphery: the new method is to have mythbackend transcode on its own in realtime

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sphery:

Though if you can run vlc/mplayer, why not just run mythfrontend.

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clever:

which wont help for you:P

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clever:

mplayer and vlc also work on winblows

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clever:

if i code the addon right it should build for both os's

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Yahooadam:

which would be freaking awesome :p

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p3bkac:

I have mythtv installed and setup to use my hauppauge pvr-350 but times out when I try to record video or watch live tv...I have done a dd if=/dev/video0 of=capture.mpg and am able to capture video

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clever:

ive asked the mplayer channel before but they led me to the wrong part of the help file

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sphery:

clever: right. there's also going to be support for multiple-recording-files per show, so if I wanted, I could do a < realtime transcode and watch later through MythWeb (but I won't ever do that--it's easier to carry my recordings with me than to try to watch through my 768kbps upstream link to the 'net)

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clever:

what i did before

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clever:

i copyed the nuv's over the internet

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clever:

50kb/sec

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clever:

halfway arross the country

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Yahooadam:

i want to watch my recordings on windows

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clever:

then put them in a local folder

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Yahooadam:

atm :p

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clever:

making it think i nfs mounted the backend

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clever:

then mythfrontend played them just fine

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clever:

except for the lag to the mysql and master backend:(

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clever:

and it took ages to transfer a show

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sphery:

I guess for a slim windows client, vlc/mplayer wouldn't be bad. I find, though, that if I'm not using mythfrontend, it's just as easy to play the file directly.

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sphery:

I copy my recordings to my laptop when I go on trips and play them as any other video file.

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clever:

the direct download of mythweb can be streamed thru vlc/mplayer/other

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clever:

but lacks seek support

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clever:

asx might fix that i dont remember using it

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sphery:

(and I have keys set up to allow skipping commercials in about 3 keypresses)

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p3bkac:

any takers on what i might be doing wrong?

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clever:

how far is mythtv from a working frontend build on winblows?

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sphery:

Yahooadam: With Samba, mythrename.pl (highly recommend using it's --link option, not actually renaming), you can play them on Windows (and it's easy to find the right one).

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clever:

sphery: i only use samba for the other direction(mounting xp shares on linux)

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Yahooadam:

bah another network drive :p

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sphery:

p3bkac: You've selected PVR-x50, PVR-500 for the card type?

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Yahooadam:

i already have 5 :p

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sphery:

:)

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clever:

most of my net drives are nfs mounts

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p3bkac:

It actually shows PVR-350 identified

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p3bkac:

and /dev/video0

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sphery:

I found that not using Windows makes it easy to access my Myth stuff on any of my machines... :)

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clever:

bbl

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sphery:

p3bkac: but what about what you selected in mythtv-setup?

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Yahooadam:

how would i use mythrename.pl ?

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Yahooadam:

is there a good faq somewhere :)

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sphery:

not really.

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p3bkac:

sphery: I thought that was what you were talking about...I selected the V4L PVR350 in mythtv-setup

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p3bkac:

is there a place where myth keeps it's logs for me to parse through?

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p3bkac:

nm...found it in /var/log

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Yahooadam:

p3bkac – usually a good place to start looking ;)

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sphery:

Yahooadam: I use: mythrename.pl --link /path/to/dir --format '%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%T-%S' --underscores --separator '-' --replacement '_'

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Chutt_:

v4l / pvr-350 are two separate things

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sphery:

Yahooadam: But I run it for 5 directories and use these other four formats, too: '%T/%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%S' , '%U-%T-%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%S' , '%C-%T-%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%S' , '%T-%oY%om%od-%S'

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Yahooadam:

do you have to run that manually, or can mythtv do it automatically ?

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sphery:

To get dirs sorted by start time, title, recording group, category, original airdate

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sphery:

I have a cron job run it.

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p3bkac:

I think it says V4L in the menu (2nd Option Capture Cards) and then identifies PVR350 when I go in to it

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sphery:

Myth doesn't have it built in.

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p3bkac:

I have the logfile but it's not giving me any details...2007-09–05 21:59:42.578 TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

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sphery:

p3bkac: It should be something like: "MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)" (though that version--from trunk--is new and the old said something about PVR-250, PVR-350, the MPEG-2 encoder part should be recognizable).

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p3bkac:

I think I just found it in the backend logs...says I have to setup the profile (which I thought I already did)....2007-09–05 21:59:02.532 Unknown video codec...2007-09–05 21:59:02.540 Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and.

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Yahooadam:

kk ty for the info sphery :)

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Yahooadam:

nice and helpful tonight ^^

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

if i put 2x 4 port SATA cards, and a gigabit ethernet card, aswell as 2 PCI tuners, do you think i will overload my PCI bus ?

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mike3_:

ANyone here use MythArchive ?

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robbins876:

anyone know how to play an m4v video file in linux?

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Tanthrix:

Uh, mplayer, xine, vlc, or anything else?

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GreyFoxx:

m4v ... basically an mpeg4 file ?

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Tanthrix:

(With proper support / codecs compiled in or accessible)

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Yahooadam:

omg

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Yahooadam:

its 4:15am – again >_<

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Yahooadam:

gnite all :p

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mactenchi:

can anyone help my figure out why my mythbackend can't seem to change any channels?

[03:20:40]

mactenchi:

watching live tv is fine

[03:22:17]

jblack:

Does it only have trouble changing channels when you watch live tv?

[03:22:43]

CyberKnet:

Out of curiousity, and certainly no right or need to know... Has Schedules Direct said anything publicly about their sign up rate?

[03:23:09]

jblack:

No. I asked a while back, but they're being secretive at this time

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mike3_:

hey guys, is there any MythTV wallpapers around?

[03:24:18]

mactenchi:

jblack, nope

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mactenchi:

live is fine

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CyberKnet:

jblack: Well, secrecy would be their right... we don't have any right nor expectation that we should be able to find out...

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robbins876:

any laptop users here?

[03:25:57]

CyberKnet:

robbins876: yes, but not a linux laptop user.

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jblack:

mac: I think you misunderstood me. I understand you when you say livetv works fine. What I don't know is whether you're complaining that the backend doesn't switch channels for planned shows while you're watching livetv

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robbins876:

damn

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jblack:

robbins: Yes. I have 3 laptops with myth.

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sphery:

robbins876: If the file is m4v as in MPEG-4 video, then, yeah, just play it. However, since you're having difficulties doing so, it's likely an iTunes FairPlay-protected MPEG-4 video file, in which case no one here will help you play it.

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jblack:

cyber: There's necessary secrets, and there's unnecessary secrets. I don't know why this would be a necessary secret. Regardless, no, they haven't released that info yet.

[03:27:10]

sphery:

Other than, perhaps, saying to get a Windows or OS X box and use Apple's QuickTime player to play it.

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robbins876:

sphery, yeah, i figured that much

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robbins876:

i downloaded it in vmware from itunes and tried to play linux side, but no luck

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sphery:

Can you play on windows side in vm?

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sphery:

Other wise, dual boot is probably your friend.

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CyberKnet:

jblack: Hmm... we'll leave it there.

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CyberKnet:

bbl... reboot-o-mania on this non-linux laptop ;)

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adante:

schedulesdirect has a sign up rate?

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jblack:

adante: Yes, but it's a secret.

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jblack:

cyber: I can tell you that as of two weeks ago, signups were nearly enough to break even.

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sphery:

I think "signup rate" means number of people who have been signing up over time...

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CyberKnet:

jblack: They released that much info already?

[03:30:51]

jblack:

Well, released if you can count a 3 minute chat here as "released".

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CyberKnet:

Well, I voted 'Yes' with my pocketbook, so I'm happy they are at the least close to break-even... I'm very grateful for Schedules Direct and the people who put in the hard work to make it happen.

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jblack:

I figure you're probably asking for the same reason that I am.. "is there long term viability, or did they just get us breathing room to figure out a real solution"

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jblack:

s/am/was

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sphery:

jblack: I got the impression that "break even" meant cover initial costs--not including licensing costs.

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CyberKnet:

jblack: Yeah, and a desire to hear that people doing a Good Thing got positive results...

[03:31:57]

sphery:

(I remember the conversation.)

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adante:

the real solution in australia: engage in a screen scraping war of attrition for epg data :]

[03:32:29]

CyberKnet:

adante: Do like I did, and emmigrate to the USA ;)

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jblack:

sphery: Ok. You either remember it better than I, or I'm remember a different, more limited conversation

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jblack:

adante: I'm afraid that's a losing battle.

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adante:

CyberKnet: hm, a bit heavy handed? :]

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sphery:

Oh, yeah, I'm not saying I remember it better--was just saying where my out of the blue statement came from (i.e. not based solely on this conversation). :)

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CyberKnet:

adante: heh. Admittedly, not the reason for my move :)

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GreyFoxx:

jblack: It's well past break even, and there will be some sort of pricedrop after the first 3 months

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CyberKnet:

bbl folks. HAND.

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jblack:

grey: Yay!

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sphery:

nice

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adante:

jblack: yeah well, it was touch and go for a few years, but it's pretty good at the moment

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jblack:

Grey: Is there a way to donate yet?

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adante:

thanks in part to it australia probably has the most sophisticated and elaborate tv_grab_xx out there

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

not yet

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jblack:

For the sake of completeness, there _is_ a way to donate, provided you're willing to donate in chunks of a thousand. ;D

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GreyFoxx:

hehe well, yes :)

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sphery:

with check payable to sphery's real name? :)

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sphery:

But the donating by signing up for multiple accounts approach would be bad (skew the statistics :).

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jblack:

I suppose I could do that.

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jblack:

I saw some big screen visios at walmart that had vga connectors.

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jblack:

I was tempted to get one just to use as a monitor. ;D

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JeffATL:

a bit off-topic, but...i have an emerson lcd hdtv here and it has an atsc-only tuner. it can be tuned to channel 11–1 and picking up an HD picture, and all of the sudden the program from 46–1 will come in for a few seconds, then it will switch back

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MaverickTech:

hi there

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MaverickTech:

been a while since I dropped in

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just_joe:

woot

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just_joe:

hey everybody I have a question. i want to rebuild my myth box from scratch, instead of exporting the databases can i just rename my tv recordings to the show names and then import them later as regular movies?

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benc-:

you could play with internal player through mythvideo. think I saw a script somewhere that imported files into recordings listings. not sure where though

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just_joe:

so its easier to export everything?

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benc-:

always just done database dumps myself

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just_joe:

hmm

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benc-:

there's a program called mythrename in contrib that looks like it might batch rename video files for you

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just_joe:

is there an easy way to do this?

[05:23:12]

just_joe:

yeah but how do i get them back into myth after that?

[05:23:20]

just_joe:

import them as a movie?

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benc-:

also found one called myth.rebuilddatabase. description sound promising

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just_joe:

what does that do? i thought it checked for database integraty

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just_joe:

maybe even spelled right

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benc-:

creates database entries for files without them in recordings directory

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just_joe:

ooo

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QBob:

howdy — has anyone noticed if schedulesdirect is not currently serving listings?

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QBob:

I just created the trial account, but mythfilldatabase doesn't seem to be pulling down any data

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sphery:

QBob: you set up a lineup, too?

[05:28:41]

QBob:

actually mythtv-setup can't even fetch the lineup list

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QBob:

first I get a 401: unauthorazed

[05:29:02]

QBob:

then a 500: internal server error

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QBob:

is it working for you atm?

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sphery:

just_joe: Why are you trying not to export? Using an export like (as in section 23.5) followed by http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 will give you a "clean" database with all the recordings and rules from before

[05:30:22]

just_joe:

honestly? a little bit of database phobia

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sphery:

just_joe: using myth.rebuild_database.pl is much less useful approach

[05:31:46]

just_joe:

yeah I know sphery I was just hoping

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sphery:

QBob: mythtv-setup has no problems pulling the lineup for me. Are you sure you've changed the grabber to, "North America (SchedulesDirect.org) (Internal)"?

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QBob:

sphery: yup, and used the same email and password that logs me into the site

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sphery:

just_joe: See http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5 . It's extremely simple to create a backup.

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QBob:

sphery: I can even paste the URL it's trying to fetch into the browser and login (but then it says GET is not supported)

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sphery:

QBob: that's correct for userid/password.

[05:33:36]

sphery:

yeah, it's POST only

[05:33:58]

QBob:

sphery: is there any way I can try to fetch the listing with wget?

[05:35:19]

sphery:

QBob: And you /have/ configured a lineup at the SD website?

[05:35:41]

sphery:

QBob: because your results are identical to the results one would get if they haven't configured a lineup.

[05:35:46]

sphery:

See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/286947#286947

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QBob:

sphery: ah that was it. I made the same mistake as the poster — I assumed the icon below "linups" meant it had autoconfigured my zap2it lineup

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sphery:

glad it's working

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QBob:

thanks for your help

[05:39:24]

sphery:

AIUI, the icon just means that the data is from Zap2It (once you create a lineup, that is)

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QBob:

IMHO, they should rethink the interface, as it's misleading

[05:40:00]

QBob:

or anyway it misled at least 2 people :D

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sphery:

So, was there a message on the page that said, "No lineups" or anything to that effect? Or was it just a blank white (main section) with a Zap2It icon?

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QBob:

It just had the zap2it icon under "Subscribed Lineups"

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QBob:

sphery: thanks, and good evening!

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MaverickTech:

does anybody know if there is any notes/howto on the multi-rec branch

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jblack:

I wish I could see the zap2it meetings. They seemed firm that getting the zap2it data just wasn't gonna happen

[05:52:35]

MaverickTech:

I want to have a play with it, if I can

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jblack:

The myth guys much have been very persuasive

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jblack:

maverick: Multi-rec?

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sphery:

MaverickTech: I think most of the notes are the commit messages

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sphery:

Probably not much else available.

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MaverickTech:

that's cool

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MaverickTech:

I have all the commit msg's

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jblack:

ohhh, nice!

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sphery:

though I would recommend staying away from it unless you're currently using SVN trunk (it's a huge leap from 0.20.2 stable to uncharted waters of multi-rec)

[05:54:57]

sphery:

that saves my next message (about getting and reading -dev and -commits lists :)

[05:55:09]

MaverickTech:

I have been using trunk consistently for about 10 months

[05:55:16]

MaverickTech:

I have multi-rec running

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sphery:

Cool. Much easier jump.

[05:55:31]

MaverickTech:

just need to know how to get the good stuff running :)

[05:55:59]

sphery:

I know that there's still a lot to be fixed in there, so make sure you leave an exit strategy (i.e. a good DB backup before playing with it).

[05:58:20]

MaverickTech:

I hjave all that ;)

[05:58:33]

MaverickTech:

I have a separate trunk build on standby

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sphery:

then it seems you're all set to play and learn. good luck.

[06:01:07]

MaverickTech:

thanks

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ShockValue:

sometimes i find myself thinking "Self," (thats what I call myself) "Self, you are totally the master at making mixed CDs."

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ShockValue:

And then I go on some daydream about how good of a DJ I would make.. and then wake up when I realize they get paid crappy and have poor benefits. despite the fame of 10's of adoring fans.

[06:11:44]

ShockValue:

i mean, i could have relations with almost any prostitute I wanted to assuming i had the money. Yes, i have that much power!

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mchou:

hear about this? http://news.com.com/8301-13580_3-9772406-39.html

[06:19:55]

ShockValue:

yeah.. maybe i could put this radeon 9700 to use someday

[06:20:55]

ShockValue:

hell, maybe i could even run linux on my workstation and not totally waste this x1950

[06:21:10]

mchou:

haha

[06:21:30]

mchou:

ShockValue: so have you had a chance to look into 5C?

[06:21:46]

mchou:

I mean as far as your cableco is concerned

[06:21:48]

ShockValue:

nah, so far im squeezing out about 30 minutes of free time per day :)

[06:22:09]

mchou:

sigh. You slacker!

[06:22:48]

ShockValue:

my current mythbox is barely limping along.. it keeps locking up and stuff but i havent had time to mess with it.

[06:22:56]

ShockValue:

i'd really like to just do a total rebuild

[06:23:00]

mchou:

locking up?

[06:23:20]

mchou:

linux aint supoosed to lock up

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mchou:

supposed*

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ShockValue:

yeah, for various reasons.. sometimes the firewire connection just craps out and i have to kick it to start again.. and sometimes the machine itself just hardlocks

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mchou:

although I've had instances where X no longer responds to KB

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ShockValue:

plus the "OK" button just broke on my $100 remote :(

[06:24:14]

mchou:

ShockValue: is this a logitech harmony

[06:24:19]

ShockValue:

yeah

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mchou:

dude

[06:24:31]

mchou:

it better be under warranty!

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ShockValue:

no, its an older model i bought from the last place i worked cause it was a scratch+dent

[06:25:06]

mchou:

ShockValue: put lspci in pastebin

[06:25:18]

mchou:

I bet you have i2c problems

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ShockValue:

backend or frontend?

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mchou:

which ever machine has firewire issues

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mchou:

gah!

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ShockValue:

http://paste.uni.cc/17066

[06:26:51]

mchou:

I really need to get a new monitor

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mchou:

hmm, incorrect theory

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ShockValue:

its annoying because the firewire will conk out recording a show at midnight and i dont notice until 6pm the next day.. so i lose all the recordings between then

[06:28:25]

ShockValue:

because the backend still "thinks" its recording..

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mchou:

yeah, no doubt

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ShockValue:

but all i get are 0 size files

[06:29:22]

ShockValue:

what kind of music you like mchou?

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mchou:

dude, classical and jazz

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mchou:

not into "new" stuff

[06:30:10]

mchou:

grates on my ears :)

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ShockValue:

you know the name of a swedish composer (i think).. the radio station said he was a contemporary of berlioz (i think) :)

[06:30:44]

ShockValue:

i missed the guys name though, i liked the stuff they were playing

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mchou:

Sibelius?

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ShockValue:

hrm,

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mchou:

he is Finn

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mchou:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibelius

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mchou:

but born into a swedish speaking family

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ShockValue:

hrm, no i dont think it was this guy.. the stuff they were playing wasnt "nationalistic" type of stuff

[06:33:05]

ShockValue:

and i think he was earlier than 1900

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mchou:

you can look up this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_composers

[06:36:35]

ShockValue:

hrm, maybe johan berwald.. that sounds right

[06:37:00]

mchou:

Berwald, ther's a whole family

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mchou:

kinda like Bach

[06:38:22]

mchou:

that's interesting.....

[06:38:53]

mchou:

Lite-on aquired LNE100TX?

[06:39:05]

** ShockValue shrugs **

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mchou:

I thought that was always linksys

[06:39:33]

mchou:

I mean more or less

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ShockValue:

meh.. my local radio classical radio station doesnt have a search function.. im not sorting through weeks of playlists for that :)

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

what struck you about the music in particular?

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ShockValue:

no, johann berwald

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ShockValue:

woops

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ShockValue:

scrolled up and misread :)

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ShockValue:

umm, just the strength of some of the hits, and the fact that they werent particularly predictable (to a classical neophyte like me)

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mchou:

hits?

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ShockValue:

like you'd get a big percussion and horn blast on 4 instead of 1.. i dunno exactly.. im not well versed enough to be able to express what i mean :)

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mchou:

oh, strong beats

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mchou:

or syncopation?

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ShockValue:

yeah, id call it syncopation, but it was irregular.. not just on the offbeat.

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mchou:

bah, then listen to Chabrier's "Espana"

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ShockValue:

ok :)

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mchou:

that will drive you up the wall

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ShockValue:

im kind of enamored with Ulrich Schnauss at the moment.. but thats a totally different genre :)

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mchou:

especially if you're playing the music

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ShockValue:

i havent touched an instrument (except me murdering some guitar chords) in about 15 years

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ShockValue:

doh.. wife yellin at me to heat up some milk.. and i dont think she's hitting on me.. so i better run .. ttyl

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

crazy

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clever:

DAMNIT

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clever:

mythtv did it again

[06:51:21]

clever:

it recorded to the full SG instead of the empty one

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clever:

0bytes or 3gig free

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clever:

which to use...:P

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mchou:

SG?

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mchou:

wtf is that?

[06:55:25]

clever:

storage group

[06:55:34]

clever:

and now the noob notices the low disk space

[06:55:41]

clever:

and auto expires half a recording on the full sg

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clever:

while its refilling it and a few mins from recrashing:P

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mchou:

sigh.....

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mchou:

jsut use lvm for now. much easier :)

[06:57:24]

mchou:

storage group is way too complicated and error prone

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clever:

i am using lvm

[06:57:37]

clever:

but the 2nd drive i just added

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clever:

was allready full of recordings

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clever:

was the slaves(nfs mounted)

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clever:

i cant easily convert the ext2 into lvm on ext2

[06:58:15]

clever:

no way to merge the drives without fully emptying one

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clever:

but dad did just get a new 80gig harddrive......:P

[06:59:22]

clever:

for the moment i'll have to balance the free space between the drives

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mchou:

80gid? Is this a notebook drive?

[07:00:21]

mchou:

gog*

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mchou:

gig*

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clever:

desktop

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mchou:

lol

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clever:

his ram went bad

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clever:

he ran a scandisk

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clever:

it fried the registery

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clever:

and then when reinstalling the xp cd wanted to format

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mchou:

I didnt know 80GB drivers were still sold

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clever:

even though he hit no

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clever:

it fried the partition table

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mchou:

drives*

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clever:

160 gig appeared to be gone in an instant:P

[07:01:35]

mchou:

partition table can be restored

[07:01:39]

clever:

after a few hours of greping it for NTFS thru a usb enclosure i found the start of 2 of the parttions

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mchou:

no need for new drive

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clever:

just need to restore them now'

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clever:

he allready got the new drive

[07:02:11]

clever:

he got it before we found out the partition table was fried

[07:02:43]

mchou:

all bets are off with bad ram

[07:02:46]

clever:

and now for some reason mythbackend is using the proper sg again

[07:02:54]

clever:

he has 256+256+512

[07:02:58]

clever:

the 512 died:P

[07:03:21]

clever:

half the ram gone

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clever:

i still blame norton:P

[07:03:45]

clever:

all this started when norton expired and wanted us to buy the next version and upgrade

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clever:

and it started to bluescreen when we tried to uninstall it

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benc-:

what's a good place to ask for help with a backtrace? irc,list,trac?

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juski:

benc-: post a link to it & see if anybody wants to have a look at it (not me)

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benc-:

well, here's a backtrace and config if anyone feels like looking at it. seems like something not working with ffmpeg ac3. http://pastebin.ca/683619

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Dagmar:

NEVAR!

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Dagmar:

No one *ever* has a problem with ffmpeg

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laga:

i wonder why there's a german guy complaioning about schedules direct on the -de ML *shrug*

[08:58:59]

laga:

oh, -users list it is

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pfitzner:

Hi, can mythtv handle dvb-s2 streams?

[09:01:18]

laga:

pfitzner: no.

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laga:

pfitzner: no need to cross-post

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juski:

does dvb-s2 still use the dvb api for linux? if so then yes mythtv will work with it. I don't know what linux driver support is like for dvb-s2 though

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juski:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S2 would seem to suggest it's not worth even thinking about dvb-s2 in linux yet

[09:15:11]

laga:

there are some drivers, AFAIK

[09:15:12]

pfitzner:

thanks

[09:15:30]

** MaverickTech settles in for an evening of playing with mythtv-multirec **

[09:15:42]

juski:

but if there's going to be a new API for dvb-s2, then mythtv won't work with it yet

[09:15:55]

juski:

time to pick up those coding crayons :P

[09:15:57]

laga:

MaverickTech: have fun

[09:16:25]

juski:

bah I combined all my lineup data into one xml file & now perl is going out of memory. bugger

[09:16:59]

juski:

I think this is going to end up being a database instead of xml files

[09:17:11]

laga:

juski: xml::twig has a mode to read only chunks of the file AFAIK

[09:17:23]

juski:

database is easier though :)

[09:17:37]

laga:

slacker

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laga:

sqlite maybe

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juski:

or I could just keep the separate lineup files – much easier still :)

[09:17:55]

laga:

man XML::Twig if you're bored ;)

[09:18:13]

juski:

been there. doesn't look like fun. I had enough trouble understanding XML::Simple

[09:18:23]

laga:

heh

[09:18:33]

laga:

Uploading to mythbuntu-trunk-ppa (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):

[09:18:37]

laga:

i hope it works this time

[09:18:38]

Dagmar:

It's easier to use XML::Simple than it is to read their damn directions

[09:18:43]

Dagmar:

You want a tip for that?

[09:18:52]

Dagmar:

put "use Data::Dumper;" at the top of the file

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juski:

yeah I can still keep the separate files but it'd make my life easier to create a master lineup xml file which'll tell my script which filenames are which lineup

[09:19:16]

Dagmar:

After you call up XMLSimple and have the reference back, do "print Dumper $ref;" and look a tht eoutput

[09:19:26]

juski:

Dagmar: I know that already

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juski:

perl runs out of memory loading the big xml file into an associative array though

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Dagmar:

How big of an XML file is this?

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Dagmar:

Hashes don't take up that much memory

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juski:

175k

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Dagmar:

Something is fucked with your interpreter then

[09:20:21]

juski:

maybe

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juski:

you're prolly right :)

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Dagmar:

I've loaded MUCH larger piles of data into hashes

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Dagmar:

We're talking 50–60Mb

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juski:

ah right

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juski:

yeah I've screwed something in the parser script somehow

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Dagmar:

I'm suspecting maybe you've got something parsing the same data in over and over

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juski:

nah it's to do with the array

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juski:

I think I'm safer just to define all the lineups in one xml file which references the actual lineup xml files

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juski:

ugh dvb-s2 allows broadcasters to transmit content over multiple transports

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juski:

talk about icky – needing more than one tuner to get one channel. Hope that's never used

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Dagmar:

How else are you going to transmit full-field 3D porn?

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juski:

unlikely though since the max datarate of one transport can be over 27mbits

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juski:

yeah it smells a bit like SHDTV

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juski:

"SHDTV is a next next-generation imaging system that uses 7,680 x 4,320 pixels to capture 16 times as much data as HDTV."

[09:37:00]

juski:

something tells me that in h.264 we're gonna need more than 8 4ghz cores to play that back

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directhex|work:

nah

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directhex|work:

now is the time we move to itanium!!!

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juski:

ffs. shdtv has been broadcast in mjpeg2000

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juski:

that might kill off file sharing for a while ;)

[09:41:41]

juski:

oh wow. you can actually buy monitors with an aspect ratio of 2.35:1

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Dagmar:

Yep

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directhex|work:

...mjpeg2000?

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directhex|work:

what an entirely retarded format

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directhex|work:

if you're addicted to wavelets, poke the beeb in the ribs until they finish their dirac codec

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juski:

no motion artifacts though I spose

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juski:

last thing I read about dirac was that there were codecs out there in the wild now

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galorin:

ok, I'm pulling my hair out trying to get this ATI remote working under LIRC, so I can get it working with mythtv, hopefully without fuffing around with xmodmap

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galorin:

Bah, forget it, spent 2 hours on it already, not going to try any more. xmodmap, here I came

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laga:

galorin: hey, what ati remote you using?

[11:17:10]

laga:

i had some trouble the other day as well

[11:17:15]

galorin:

version 1 of it,

[11:17:20]

laga:

i have the same

[11:17:37]

laga:

lirc 0.8.2 didn't came with a good config for it.

[11:17:45]

laga:

are you trying to use the user space driver?

[11:17:53]

laga:

(what distro?)

[11:18:01]

galorin:

I can't even get LIRC up and running to start off with, ubuntu

[11:18:06]

laga:

ah, ubuntu.

[11:18:17]

laga:

galorin: you need to sudo rmmod ati_remote first.

[11:18:18]

galorin:

good for who is using it (in-law)

[11:18:41]

galorin:

I blacklisted it, and removed it before starting work

[11:18:51]

laga:

good.

[11:18:59]

laga:

i have DRIVER="atilibusb" in my hardware.conf

[11:19:17]

galorin:

it's compiling the modules that isn't working at all

[11:19:19]

laga:

there's a kernel lirc driver as well, but i couldn't get it work. so i stuck with the userspace driver.

[11:19:30]

laga:

galorin: no need to compile modules. use atilibusb

[11:20:46]

laga:

galorin: here's my /etc/lirc/lircd.conf : http://laga.ath.cx/lircd.conf

[11:21:06]

laga:

does it work with irw?

[11:21:56]

galorin:

nope

[11:22:38]

laga:

bah

[11:22:56]

galorin:

As I said, everything but. If it were my own system, I'd be doing Slackware on it, but that's just me... Ubuntu, I can do everything right, and it doesn't work.. I feel like a noob LOL

[11:22:58]

laga:

is lircd running?

[11:23:06]

directhex|work:

lirc is smelly, like wee

[11:23:10]

laga:

heh

[11:23:19]

laga:

lirc on ubuntu gutsy will be *much* nicer.

[11:23:51]

laga:

in fact, it's so nice that i backported it to my feisty box. ;)

[11:24:09]

laga:

galorin: did you put it into /etc/lirc/ or /etc/ ?

[11:24:11]

galorin:

lircdis running, but refusing connections from irw. I'm just going to xmodmap it, since it works as a keyboard with a bunch of unrecognised buttons

[11:24:31]

laga:

ok, have fun

[11:24:37]

laga:

galorin: or try inputlircd

[11:24:50]

laga:

galorin: kinda like lircd, but works with input devices and does not need a lircd.conf

[11:24:59]

galorin:

I had it working, under dapper, then upgraded and forgot to keep the xmodmap file around

[11:25:04]

laga:

galorin: my problem was that the repeat rate was too fast

[11:25:08]

laga:

ouch :/

[11:26:21]

directhex|work:

i like things that aren't lirc. i don't use lirc for my remote

[11:26:31]

laga:

heh

[11:26:37]

laga:

good luck with xmodmap

[11:26:52]

laga:

galorin: it'd be very cool if you could put your xmodmap file on wiki.mythtv.org

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galorin:

When I do, I will, though I'll have to cater it to default keys, or else tell everyone to set up the keys by hand.

[11:28:07]

galorin:

at least it'll be safe on the wiki

[11:28:13]

directhex|work:

http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/programming/28/ -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8QN3Hux4g

[11:28:28]

directhex|work:

assuming the links work. the internet is broken today

[11:28:37]

laga:

galorin: or use inputlircd ;)

[11:28:57]

laga:

directhex|work: how much is one of these remotes?

[11:29:31]

directhex|work:

laga, Â£17, but you'll need some kind of bluetooth dongle or receiver in your peecee

[11:29:44]

laga:

ah

[11:29:52]

laga:

directhex|work: is it a nice remote? or a very nice remote?

[11:31:50]

directhex|work:

laga, the driver needs some love, but generally speaking, it's perfect for a PVR-type application. http://files.playstatic.com/playstation-3-har . . . tation-3.jpg is a better picture of it

[11:32:00]

galorin:

well, need to get mythgame working with epsxe, and epsxe working with a logitech dualshock thingy

[11:32:29]

laga:

directhex|work: yeah, that looks really good

[11:32:47]

laga:

galorin: i was gonna install a psx emulator as well. till i rembered i bought a ps2 a few weeks ago

[11:33:35]

galorin:

no room on his minimalistic, posh setup with expensive 42" Plasma screen that can only push 1024x768

[11:33:37]

laga:

i totally need a N64 style gamepad, especially because of the Z trigger

[11:33:48]

laga:

heh

[11:33:54]

directhex|work:

laga, get an N64 pad and a USB adapter?

[11:34:00]

laga:

directhex|work: i could do that, aye

[11:34:10]

laga:

wonder if it would work in leenux

[11:34:14]

galorin:

I'll do him at 720x400 that'll show him LOL

[11:34:15]

directhex|work:

laga, yes

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laga:

directhex|work: oh, nice

[11:34:26]

directhex|work:

laga, all usb pad adapters are 101% usb HID compliant

[11:34:41]

directhex|work:

laga, zero config required, unless you want to tweak your deadzones

[11:34:45]

laga:

directhex|work: they're like $10.. excluding shipping to germany

[11:35:00]

laga:

directhex|work: since i don't know what a deadzone is, it likely wont require tweaking

[11:35:57]

directhex|work:

laga, the region of movement on an analog axis within which movement is ignored. typically you'd want it if your pad is slightly less than perfect & sending a mildly noisy singal on the analog axes

[11:37:07]

laga:

directhex|work: oh. right, i do wanna tweak that on my gamepad. ;)

[11:37:26]

laga:

it was only a problem in XE, though. which, btw, seems to be a great emulator but the gamepad setup *sucks*

[11:37:44]

laga:

how am i supposed to know which key between 1 and 10 maps to which button on the original gamepad?

[11:38:00]

directhex|work:

anyway, ps3 remote is a nice option for a remote, since there's no line-of-sight issues, and on many machines nor is there a need for a bluetooth dongle (e.g. on a sexy frontend like a mac mini). just needs some driver love

[11:38:10]

directhex|work:

laga, you guess. that's one of the suckages of using emulators

[11:38:19]

laga:

zsnes is much nicer for that.

[11:38:40]

laga:

after compiling the latest & greatest from source, i can even make it fit on my 720x576 tv-out.

[11:40:42]

directhex|work:

zsnes is a wonderful emulator

[11:40:57]

directhex|work:

but there's nothing like the feel of the original hardware

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laga:

i don't want to spread 5 game consoles all over my room. GF has a SNES, PS2 will be relocated to my room and that's it

[11:41:33]

directhex|work:

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laga:

i feel a bit like an idiot that we both found we didn't really want that 150â‚¬ PS2 after byuing it. i hope we'll change our minds ;)

[11:42:25]

directhex|work:

there are a number of brilliant games for the ps2, for all tastes

[11:42:30]

laga:

directhex|work: ooh, scribbles. what do they say?

[11:42:45]

directhex|work:

laga, it's an autograph by shiregu miyamoto, creator of mario & zelda

[11:42:54]

laga:

directhex|work: right. i've always been a PC gamer so the graphics on the PS2 were a bit disappointing

[11:42:58]

laga:

directhex|work: oh! cool

[11:43:42]

directhex|work:

laga, it's never about graphics, not in the "high poly count" sense anyway

[11:44:18]

directhex|work:

the best looking game i've played, for *my* tastes, is a ps2 game

[11:44:49]

laga:

directhex|work: i was specifically referring to GTA: vice city

[11:45:13]

juski:

I've just been playing that. vigilante ftw :)

[11:45:23]

directhex|work:

laga, the gta3 games have never been graphically intensive though. off-the-shelf Renderware engine. mainly RAM-limited by what can be shown on-screen

[11:45:49]

laga:

juski: get a job or something ;)

[11:46:14]

juski:

whee more theme request email in my spam filter

[11:46:24]

laga:

directhex|work: right. still looks better on my peecee. maybe i'm just being a snob, though. and bashing a old console like the ps2 like that just ain't fair

[11:46:29]

juski:

I love how google mail catches user requests in the spam

[11:47:17]

laga:

juski: "you should" (c) make a theme based around Callosciurus prevostii

[11:47:19]

juski:

and yet more "nnnnggggg me retarded" forum posts :-\

[11:47:24]

directhex|work:

laga, bashing a 195mhz 7-year-old console running a 5 year old game, on the basis of graphics?

[11:47:26]

laga:

juski: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons . . . prevosti.jpg

[11:47:30]

laga:

directhex|work: yes

[11:47:39]

laga:

directhex|work: and comparing it to my old athlon box basically

[11:49:06]

juski:

laga: wth kind of squirrel is that?!

[11:49:06]

directhex|work:

laga, usually, for multi-platform games, the pc version will *look* best, visually. but that ignores a) non-multi-platform games or b) games where the control mechanisms on pc ruin it

[11:50:41]

directhex|work:

anyway, we've got 9 consoles hooked up in the living room

[11:50:49]

directhex|work:

which doesn't include the xbox 360, which is off for repair

[11:51:02]

juski:

jees man

[11:51:20]

juski:

I thought that was what emulumarators were for

[11:51:35]

directhex|work:

actually, the ps2 is in the bedroom right now, thinking about it

[11:51:55]

directhex|work:

juski, it's never the same with an emulator

[11:51:58]

juski:

I mean I like games, but not enough to have 9 blimmin consoles

[11:53:20]

directhex|work:

i must like them more then!

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laga:

juski: it's a "schÃ¶nhÃ¶rnchen", which translates roughly to "cute squirrel". <3

[11:56:40]

directhex|work:

finally, something cuter than MePo!

[11:56:51]

laga:

directhex|work: in fact, i probably like zsnes better than the real thing because the graphics can be digitally improved.

[11:57:08]

laga:

i'm not much into that kind of nostalgie

[11:57:22]

juski:

so Mepo's cute. he's from a Windows PVR though :D

[11:57:25]

laga:

nostalgia*

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directhex|work:

laga, perhaps part of it is the sense of ownership. when you can just pirate ROMS by the gigabyte, the games feel entirely disposable. which they're not – some of them are great classics to this day

[11:59:37]

juski:

the games of today are generally disposable. they all seem to lack what every game needs – an addictive quality & playability

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laga:

directhex|work: i'm not pirating them by the gigabyte, no worries.

[12:05:49]

laga:

directhex|work: interestingly enough, i found a similar effect with the ps2. games are like 20â‚¬ here, so we bought a lot of them and could never decide what we wanted to plan

[12:05:53]

laga:

s/plan/play/

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directhex|work:

laga, typically, less than 10 games are released per generation that are must-haves

[12:10:28]

directhex|work:

laga, knowing what to buy/play is part of the challenge

[12:10:43]

laga:

heh

[12:10:48]

laga:

true enough

[12:11:10]

directhex|work:

the ps2 has a couple of real gems

[12:12:05]

laga:

tell me. ;)

[12:13:01]

directhex|work:

okami. we love katamari. rez, if you don't have the dreamcast version. resident evil 4, if you don't have the gamecube or wii version

[12:13:27]

directhex|work:

guitar hero, if you're feeling rich

[12:13:32]

directhex|work:

those are the top-tier games

[12:13:48]

directhex|work:

the 10/10 ones. i generally only get 10/10 or 9/10 games

[12:14:31]

jimbalaya:

i run debian etch, and i forget how i set up ivtv and/or lirc ... i'll need to rebuild those modules when i upgrade my kernel, right?

[12:14:50]

juski:

yup

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jimbalaya:

i remember there being some way that allows the kernel upgrade to keep your modules up to date

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directhex|work:

m-a ?

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directhex|work:

m-a a-i ivtv

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jimbalaya:

hrm ... i guess i should figure out how i did it originally

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jimbalaya:

i have *-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 packages for both lirc & ivtv, but i can't remember if it went that smoothly or not

[12:18:40]

laga:

directhex|work: do you have a recommendation for wireless gamepads for mythgame?

[12:21:42]

directhex|work:

laga, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xbox_360_controller_on_Linux

[12:24:08]

laga:

thanks

[12:24:30]

directhex|work:

nothing beats a console pad, and the 360 pad is the best-supported, much as it's in the early stages

[12:25:02]

laga:

right, or i'll get a N64/PS2 to usb adapter.

[12:25:43]

directhex|work:

you wanted wireless!

[12:26:02]

laga:

yes, but N64 goodness! :)

[12:27:08]

directhex|work:

the last n64 pad adapter i had was awful. the gamecube one is fine though

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quicksilver:

does mythweb have a mythmusic access ability?

[12:46:11]

quicksilver:

ah, read the docs quicksilver

[12:46:13]

quicksilver:

apparently so ;)

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: Where does one get the receiver for the 360's gamepad ?

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx its aclled a Crossfire Wireless Gaming Recivver, ive seen links for it before

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GreyFoxx:

cool. *runs to google*

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|Torg|:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crossfire-Wireless-Ga . . . s/B000MGVAAQ

[12:58:18]

|Torg|:

Uk amazon has it, the US one dosnt, strange but there it is

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directhex|work:

erm... what |Torg| said

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|Torg|:

directhex|work so you got myth to emulate a xbox360?

[13:14:24]

directhex|work:

hum? no, should i?

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|Torg|:

no I was just wondering :)

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|Torg|:

Im just trying to compile the new medged vid with trunk and saw you and GreyFoxx talking about the usb connector

[13:15:26]

|Torg|:

I thought gee maybe someone made myth emulate a 360

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directhex|work:

the 360's rather faster than anything that anyone's gonna have PCwise to run as an emulator

[13:16:26]

|Torg|:

yes, I know. Its why I asked

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|Torg|:

mostly becase of its dedicated video hardware

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directhex|work:

emulating 3 3.2ghz ppc cores takes a bit of effort too. there's only so far dynamic recompilation will take you

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Dibblah:

I've come to the conclusion that some people just _like_ arguing.

[13:23:42]

Dibblah:

120 odd response on the "TV Guide line-up free" thread. Sheesh.

[13:23:53]

Dibblah:

And most of them by 4 people.

[13:24:12]

|Torg|:

where?

[13:26:48]

kslater:

-users

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GreyFoxx:

Dibblah: It's a little insane huh ?

[13:26:54]

kslater:

I saw it yesterday

[13:27:04]

GreyFoxx:

That RC fella has a major bee in his bonet over it

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|Torg|:

heh I get -users in digest form specifcally for that problem

[13:28:06]

Dibblah:

Personally, I wish that everyone would just subscribe to SD. Look on it as a way to give back to the devs in reduced listing fees in future.

[13:28:07]

kslater:

I send it to a 'folder' in GMail so that I can try to find stuff later, but I don't bother reading it

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|Torg|:

some people however are rocks (as in dumb as a), and no matter what you tell them they have their mind made up

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Dibblah:

I mean... It's less than a good pizza. And they're saying that it's not "worth it" to themselves.

[13:29:07]

Spida:

my system keeps showing programs two hours early in the programs table, so if I try to record something, I end up recording the show 2 hours after the time I wanted.

[13:29:18]

Dagmar:

That's because lots of people are whiny, selfish, lazy bitches.

[13:29:18]

Spida:

there was a setting in the sql-table for that....

[13:29:46]

Dibblah:

Spida: I'd guess your timezone may be incorrectly set / unset.

[13:29:47]

Spida:

I found EITTimeOffset and TimeOffset in the settings-table.

[13:30:08]

Dibblah:

Those are not the options you are looking for, if I understand your issue.

[13:30:18]

|Torg|:

Dibblah most of what I see in IT spending requires pain. How much pain you have is directly proportinal to how much you are willing to spend to aleviate that. Some can forsee pain and offset it with my lower outlays in the present

[13:30:20]

Dibblah:

Are you using EIT, or a grabber?

[13:30:27]

Spida:

Dibblah: tzconfig says my timezone is Europe/Berlin, which is correct.

[13:30:30]

|Torg|:

some you can use the carrot, others need the stick

[13:30:43]

Spida:

Dibblah: a grabber (prisma)

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Dibblah:

And it's a CET channel?

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Spida:

the grabber lists it as <programme start="20070906201500 +0200"...

[13:34:23]

RyeBrye:

A thick enough carrot can be used as both a carrot and a stick simultaneously

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Spida:

for a program that should start 2015 localtime

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Spida:

and, since afaik Europe/berlin is +0200 atm (cest), this should be correct.

[13:36:12]

|Torg|:

personnly I would like to see SD go for $15 now, oh wait you used a grabber and screwed it up, $25, then you tried to use EIT and only got 3 days worth og gudie data $50, no wait wernt you the one bitching about price, $100

[13:36:56]

Dibblah:

Personally, I'd like to see them do UK data. Just for consistency sake – Series IDs are useful when they work.

[13:37:14]

Dibblah:

(Tivo used to be an example of where this worked well – Not so much now)

[13:37:18]

|Torg|:

Dibblah be carefull of wha tyou ask for :)

[13:37:53]

|Torg|:

if I could have figures out your sky packages you would have a prototype to that today

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|Torg|:

juski did all the xml havy data entry so it exists in a sorta rough fassion already

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|Torg|:

*IM* the one who told him to put it on SD or like sd and charge for it, but its HIS project

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|Torg|:

so if you REALY want it..........

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|Torg|:

I love thse posts about how scrappes are illegal

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Dagmar:

it's a civil violation, not a criminal one.

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|Torg|:

at best its a violation of TOS

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|Torg|:

err worst

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Dagmar:

Again, a civil violation.

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Dibblah:

Ummm?

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Dibblah:

The UK listings data is available?

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Dibblah:

As in is-in-the-contract...

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|Torg|:

I thought you get it from RT?

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Dibblah:

Yes. I see. Okay.

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|Torg|:

the stuff juski was making is just so people could figure out thier xmltvids based on postcode

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Dibblah:

... So why do you need Sky info?

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|Torg|:

so I can tell what channels make up what packages

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|Torg|:

so I can figure out which permutations each person could psibly have

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|Torg|:

you would slect Sky as one o fhte linup choices, then slect one or more packaged

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|Torg|:

the althernative, what it is now I gather is to selct all 400+ channels

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|Torg|:

or more eact user dont excldue

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Dibblah:

Yeah, it's harder for Sky than Virgin.

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|Torg|:

but its mostly juski's code all I did was show him some array handling in perl

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Dagmar:

Ah... the reports of XML::Simple running the box out of memory over a 176K file begin to become more comprehendable now

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|Torg|:

that and sorta showed him XML handling, altho I didnt so such a good job in that area untill some other usrs pointed out I was using the wrong module

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|Torg|:

I didnt get tothe part of seeing how well it performs, its XML::Simplya nd Data::Dumper

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|Torg|:

*I* wanted to move it to mysql and php :P

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|Torg|:

umm whats the differnce between libXvMCW and, libXvMCNVIDAI? I know I need the latter but configure now picks up teh firmer first (yes I can edit the config.mak file or configure script by hand).

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, the latter is an nvidia-specific version of the former. link against the former, all the symbols are provided by the latter

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|Torg|:

ok, intersting enough it wont compile with the former, it calimes the lib is not there when in fact it is

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|Torg|:

ill go dig arround the src code

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Dagmar:

Don't force the setting.

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Dagmar:

It'll screw up every time.

[14:06:01]

Dagmar:

If you let it autodetect, it'll do the right thing.

[14:06:20]

Dagmar:

You can review this later with `ldd /usr/bin/mythfrontend` and see what it's linked against

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|Torg|:

im not, im tryign to fire why if the libray is in /usr/X11r6/lib, as it should be, that that directory is included in the g++ line that it still fails to see the lib

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Dagmar:

There is no known solution for the "oh jesus it's linked to libqt" problem

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Dagmar:

The build fails?

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|Torg|:

currtly im trying to get it to compile, its not so I cant see what its linked against

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|Torg|:

yes the build fails

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Dagmar:

What did you pass to ./configure?

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|Torg|:

--enable-dvb

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Dibblah:

...W is a wrapper – Should work with both implementations.

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|Torg|:

on the Fe ill enable opengl as well, but I havnt gotten that far

[14:08:17]

|Torg|:

yes and g++ shoudl find it, it does not

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|Torg|:

im going to trach my ccache and see if that helps

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|Torg|:

it spicifcly is stopping when its createing libmyth

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Kazan:

iirc last time i compiled and it found xvmcw it failed

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|Torg|:

its never failed for me before and I compile trunk about once a week

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|Torg|:

but I think I found the problem its opengl

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|Torg|:

nope not opengl

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Kazan:

every time i svn up, should i make clean or simply make?

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Kazan:

(ie make clean, then make)

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Kazan:

sometimes myth seems to need a clean

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|Torg|:

try I delted teh directory, did a svn co and used plain freash code

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|Torg|:

I already deleted my ccache as well

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|Torg|:

I normally do a make distclean not make clean before every compile

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Kazan:

ah

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Kazan:

so it is a good idea to purge it

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Mr_Grieves:

I'm having a problem with mythweb. It was working fine, but now when I go to the address, I get a directory listing instead of mythweb. If I click mythweb.php, I get an error saying my db_* variables are not set right. They are. mod_env is enabled in apache. I'm not sure what's happened...

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Kazan:

Mr_Grieves: your .htaccess is prob fried

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directhex|work:

Mr_Grieves, aliens ate your .htaccess ?

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|Torg|:

actually its more like apaches conf.d directy

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|Torg|:

go look at the readme file that came with mythweb

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Kazan:

wtfh

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Kazan:

-Wdisabled-optimization

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Kazan:

but ... i --enabled-proc-opts

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Mr_Grieves:

I have. I'm not using the apache file, just the .htaccess. Everything is still the same in the file from when it worked :(

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|Torg|:

did you read the README like I said?

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Mr_Grieves:

Several times

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|Torg|:

go read it again

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|Torg|:

SPECIFICALLY read the section about "Where did .htaccess go"

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Mr_Grieves:

'k :) I'll take another look.

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|Torg|:

then go look at mythweb.conf.apache

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Kazan:

i'm going to be happy when i upgrade my mythbox so it doesn't take like a hour to compile

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Mr_Grieves:

I read that, and I gathered that .htaccess would still work. But I'll switch it over to the .conf and see if it works.

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|Torg|:

distcc can help with that, if there all the same verison og gcc and g++

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Kazan:

probably could

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Kazan:

i have a Athlon 64 x2 4200+ w/ 2GB of ram sitting in the other room

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|Torg|:

Dibblah I figured out teh xvmc error, its not gcc nor opengl but rhater Xfree86 vs xorg

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Dibblah:

Fun.

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|Torg|:

im spcifcly missing the XvMCW archive on that box, so it fails

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directhex|work:

who's used xfree since the dark ages?

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Kazan:

slashdot: AMD To Open ATI Specs

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|Torg|:

then again I dont run the FE, X or even have a montior connected to either of my BEs so I never really paind any anntentin to it

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Kazan:

AMD has announced they are releasing the specs for all new Radeon chipsets, and will be working with the open source community to develop a fully functional 2D and 3D graphics driver.

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|Torg|:

now the nice cmpile is crashing on opengl, like I thought to begin with :(

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|Torg|:

util-opengl.h:103: error: expected `)' before 'MYTH_GLGENFRAMEBUFFERSEXTPROC'

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directhex|work:

Kazan, yeah, i can see them actually following through on that. honest

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Kazan:

i guess ATI users can look forward to XvMC

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|Torg|:

sometimes I wish --disable-frontend still worked

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Kazan:

directhex|work: since AMD owns them now...

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directhex|work:

Kazan, amd are hardly the most reliable bunch

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|Torg|:

Kazan thing is by the time AMD gets arround to putting out a open src driver myth wil no longer use Xv in favor of opengl

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Kazan:

|Torg|: they're releasing the specs

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|Torg|:

its what mythtv-vid branch is, and was merged last wekk (also the sorce of my problems today)

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Kazan:

directhex|work: yesterday they announced 8.41 and 8.42 for linux – r600 support + massive optimization and phoronix has the benchmarks to show it

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|Torg|:

yes Kazan I saw that two days ago

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Kazan:

|Torg|: you saw rumor two days ago, the official press release was just put out today

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directhex|work:

Kazan, phoronix wouldn't know what a benchmark was if it came over, punched them in the face, and said "i'm a benchmark, bitch!"

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Dibblah:

Damn. Someone's lit up Daniel the Patch Monster again.

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|Torg|:

either or Kazan its about as as useless to be either way

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|Torg|:

as for benchmarks I used to run a benchmark lab, there are lies, damn lies, and benchmarks

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|Torg|:

if you are lucky they will come somewhere colse to an aproximate value of what you may or may not do with that particular hardware, configured in just such a fassion

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Dibblah:

opengl is _much_ slower than xv on older cards.

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directhex|work:

wake me when they stop running benchmarks of modern graphics cards using 7-year-old CPU-limited games on low resolutions

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|Torg|:

so why if I told it NOT to use opengl does it insist on compiling with it?

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Kazan:

just because it's compiled doesn't mean you have to use it

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|Torg|:

it wont compile, thats the issue

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Dibblah:

juski: Bwa. Ha. Ha. Sky isn't as complex as it looks, apparently. You can't select _part_ of a mix, even though it seems you can.

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juski:

bloody hell Dibblah. well done for replying to something I said yesterday :P

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|Torg|:

juski actually I was talking about it less then an hour ago, blame me

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Dibblah:

Errr... It was in -dev, so not as magical as it seems ;)

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Dibblah:

Right. Time to shut down this VM and start playing with PV networking / block devs in KVM :)

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Kazan:

anyone know anything about this "xvmc pbuffer" stuff in the mythtv-vid branch?

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|Torg|:

Kazan its a pixel buffer, as opposed to the framebuffer

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|Torg|:

allowing things like offscreen rendering

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Kazan:

yeah i know what a pbuffer is :P

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Kazan:

but does XvMC+pbuffer do what i think it does

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Kazan:

allow you to XvMC decode to the pbuffer, blit to a texture, and use openGL to composite the OSD+image?

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|Torg|:

no I think its more to do with opengl

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Kazan:

it would be XvMC+openGL

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|Torg|:

its one of the things I would be looking at, if I could get the damn backend to compile

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|Torg|:

I may have to resort to compiling it on my frotnend and disabling proc-opt

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Kazan:

disabling proc-opt?

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|Torg|:

I optomise my frontend for P4 as it played HD content

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|Torg|:

but my backends are a k8 and k6

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Kazan:

aa

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|Torg|:

I dont do anything for them

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|Torg|:

I compile two sets of code, one for my frontend the other for the back

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|Torg|:

the alterantive to that would be to upgrade my backends to full blown frotends and not run the frontend code

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|Torg|:

i.e. install about 5G of useless shit on them

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Kazan:

heh

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Kazan:

linux can get a bit bloaty

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|Torg|:

but first I have to get the code to compile at all

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|Torg|:

I run linux on a 64M CF card

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|Torg|:

X is what makes it bloaty

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Kazan:

aye

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Kazan:

and all the X apps

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|Torg|:

X is a good way of tuing my high performance Linux box to the performce of a Windows system

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Kazan:

does commflag still have problems commflagging HD?

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Kazan:

i know it loves to kill my cpu when it tries

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|Torg|:

no my commflagging does HD with about 90% accuracy, give it SD and it screwes up left and right

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mike3_:

my HD pooched. That's three HD's in 3 months.

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mike3_:

Damnit

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mike3_:

I don't think HD's should be laying on their side eh. :)

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|martin|:

hi everybody

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quicksilver:

mike3_: buy seagate for the 5 year warranty

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mike3_:

HI MARTIN!HOW ARE YOU TDOAY?

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quicksilver:

mike3_: I haven't had one die (yet)

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|Torg|:

mike3_ drives had no problem runing sideways

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|Torg|:

in fact every array I know mounts them that way

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mike3_:

had or have

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|Torg|:

about the only think do DONT want to do is mount them upside down, but from what I read it dosnt mater either

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directhex|work:

mike3_, what brand are they?

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|Torg|:

viration on the other hand

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mike3_:

Seagate

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mike3_:

:)

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mike3_:

One maxtor

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mike3_:

They are all older 40 GIG drives

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|Torg|:

then they were probbly intended to be run sideways

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|Torg|:

most drives that are in that range come from the same technolofy as the 9G/18G scsi drives

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|Torg|:

all of those drives insert into disk treys and are run sieways. I can give you many examples of them

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|Torg|:

the main issue with PC cases is the drives vibrate too much, other then that maybe airflow

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mike3_:

hrm.. I wonder what caused these drives to shit out like this

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mike3_:

Temp of the computer was in a fair temp....

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mike3_:

Maybe just bad luck? :)

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SiD3WiNDR:

normally it's not a problem to run them sideways

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SiD3WiNDR:

it may be more of a problem if you run them horizontally for 2 years THEN turn them sideways

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mike3_:

possibly eh

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directhex|work:

the MTBF on consumer-grade drived from that era simply means you're unlucky

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directhex|work:

hard drives die

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directhex|work:

mechanical components fail. that's what they do

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|Torg|:

directhex|work I agree with you but sometimes I wonder why my 320G drives failed do fast and I have a stack of 4G and 9G drives along with a bunch of <10G ide drives that still work fine

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directhex|work:

some drive designs are flawed, which breaks the curve

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|Torg|:

the 4/9G drives I understnad those are industril scsi disks, but the 20G ide ones???

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|Torg|:

I think I have a few 500M ones too :)

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|Torg|:

but the same is true about most any comptuer hardware built in the last 5 or so years

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|Torg|:

most of the new stuff has a MUCH higher MTBF then the older

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|Torg|:

and the infant mortality rates of drives has been going up

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|Torg|:

at least in my observations

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|Torg|:

ls

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|Torg|:

oops

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directhex|work:

porn warez cv.odt lesbiansex.mpg Desktop

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|Torg|:

in fact MTBF is mostly related to batch, which is why vendors are goig to raid6 over raid5

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|Torg|:

I know for a fact Hitachi spends allot of time determing failure factors of there disks and doing post failure analsys on them, sometimes I think they use dead chickens and ouija boards

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directhex|work:

hitachi *have* to

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directhex|work:

they bought the deathstar design from IBM

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|Torg|:

do you use Seagate isks?

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directhex|work:

me? samsung

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|Torg|:

Seagates disks are now made by Hitachi, well the upper end ones are

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|Torg|:

lower end disks are made along with the Maxtors

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quicksilver:

Ooh, AMD releasing the full specs to future ATI cards

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quicksilver:

I hope that will include the TV out bits

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directhex|work:

i'll continue to buy spinpoints for home. for work, it doesn't matter – that's what support contracts are for

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canatella:

hello

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, yeah, believe it when it happens, not before

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quicksilver:

true enough

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mike3_:

I should buy two 500 gig's and mirror them

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canatella:

I've set up mythtv but I have a problem. When trying to switch channel using up & down key, I get a "adding char: inconnu" message. Any idea what the problem is ?

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|Torg|:

mike3_ use storage groups

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directhex|work:

i run raid5 on my mythbackend

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|Torg|:

I used to run raid5, I undid it for starage groups instead

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mike3_:

what is storage groups?

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|Torg|:

the ability to use multipe directories, in this case mounted drives, to record to

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|Torg|:

myth will automagicly (not really but thats good enough for now) figure out where to put them

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mike3_:

is storage groups a pripritory name for myth?

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|Torg|:

its an option in the setup, I duno about propritary

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mike3_:

That spelt out pretty close. :)

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|Torg|:

im nearly certain some array venters use the term

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Kazan:

wow.. newest trunk reduced my HDTV decoding cost by between 10–20% CPU (depending on the exact video

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|Torg|:

its used quite often in ILM (ala EMC)

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|Torg|:

but I dont think its trademarked or anythung

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quicksilver:

some disk vendors use the term

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directhex|work:

i don't like EMC

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quicksilver:

and not really in quite the same way

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quicksilver:

:)

[15:37:43]

quicksilver:

but it's a generic term IMO

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juski:

gah this mp3 player I just got is crap

[15:37:50]

|Torg|:

what wrong with Evil Machine Company :P

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directhex|work:

juski, does it run rockbox?

[15:37:53]

juski:

it'll be going back

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juski:

dunno

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directhex|work:

juski, it's bound to be crap without rockbox on it

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juski:

nope

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, our last EMC box was shit?

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juski:

I think I'll just go buy a 4GB iPod

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Kazan:

eww

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directhex|work:

juski, your audio is all AAC?

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juski:

directhex|work: I don't care

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juski:

I really like the iPod UI

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|Torg|:

look just becae they blackbox the array from you, lie about performce, come in the middle of the night to replace drives and strong arm you insto repaling hardware with escaling support costs don't make them bad :P

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juski:

apple may well be evil but they know how to make a user interface

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|Torg|:

besides Raid S works grat :P

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Kazan:

rm -rf /dev/apple

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mike3_:

I'm thinking mirroring is more then sufficent.

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mike3_:

In a myth backend. I mean, you'd have to have some major videos on it that you need kept. :)

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, we'll stick with our non-EMC options from now on

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|Torg|:

mike3_ I dint say it wasnt sufficent, just that it was a bit extreme, unless you really count your recordings to be mission critical

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, losing all your recordings has a very very low WAF

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|Torg|:

directhex|work, do you really thing I like EMC hardware?

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mike3_:

Well you would never have to worry about anything. Considering I just went through 3 HD crashes, I'm feeling quit uncomfortable about loosing my data.

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, eveyone loves EMC hardware! we get funny looks when we say who we bought our storage from

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|Torg|:

directhex|work I wish EVERYONE felt like you

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|Torg|:

who did you get it from?

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directhex|work:

|Torg|, EMC storage, IBM servers, Cisco networking. nobody ever got fired for buying the above! right?

[15:42:43]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, our main storage system is a pillar axiom

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|Torg|:

thats the line the salesmen give you at elast

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juski:

I can't believe that Apple are the only guys doing portable media players with usable interfaces though

[15:43:07]

juski:

you know what I like about the UI on the ipod? you press buttons & stuff happens immediately

[15:43:07]

juski:

like NOW immediately, not in 5 seconds

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directhex|work:

juski, what do you have?

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directhex|work:

juski, if it's some shitty chinese thing from tesco, you're not allowed to bitch

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jams:

juski- sometimes it will stall

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juski:

well I gave it a chance

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juski:

jams: I know ipods stall

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|Torg|:

directhex|work I know who they are, I just dont run across much of their hardware. What do you think of them?

[15:44:16]

directhex|work:

|Torg|, suitable for complete storage dunces like me

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juski:

one thing is for sure – I'm not clarting on for hours & wrestling with Sony's MusicMatch app no sir

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jams:

just saying, don't expect it to react instantly all the time

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juski:

my NetMD player is staying home

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directhex|work:

juski, you bought a sony player?

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mike3_:

I missed my damn morning South park today because of that HD failure

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mike3_:

urg

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mike3_:

It was a good one too!

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juski:

directhex|work: I wouldn't have a sony player if you gave one to me

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juski:

and all because I've used their software before. horribe java shite

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|Torg|:

mike3_ the decision of how important you data is up to you. if you want to mirror them, go ahead

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|Torg|:

java, write one, run everywhere!

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directhex|work:

juski, so what did you buy that you're not happy with?

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|Torg|:

err once

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quicksilver:

http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page13090.asp

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juski:

directhex|work: I'm not allowed to bitch any more

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quicksilver:

they responded to the iPlayer petition

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juski:

I knew it wouldn't be the bees' knees, but seriously didn't expect it to be as crap as this

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directhex|work:

juski, ah. well is it any *tender loving* surprise, given how dreadful cheap crap from tesco is?

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juski:

quicksilver: they had a govt petition for that? ducking waste of taxpayers' money!!!!

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juski:

and all cos some bleeding hearts linux geeks want to play The Orifice on their desktops. pfft

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quicksilver:

the subject of the petition was that, if it was going to happen, it should be cross-platform

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, petitions.gov.uk has a simple purpose: allow people to tell the government what sucks, and allow the government to call the petitioners stupid for questioning the status quo and their infinite wisdom

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quicksilver:

although what the government actually did say is Yes, that's what the BBC Trust is for, and we agree

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juski:

just tell em to get mythtv & they won't need no stinking iplayer

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, "as soon as possible. they have to write a report every 26 weeks!!!!!" isn't much of a timescale

[15:51:01]

directhex|work:

juski, the big-name korean players are quite nice. i was VERY impressed the the UI on my sister's iriver clix thingy

[15:51:03]

juski:

there's actually an online petition to get Jeremy Clarkson as PM ffs

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juski:

directhex|work: big name korean?

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directhex|work:

juski, people have realised the site is worthless, so are now filling it with crap

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directhex|work:

juski, iriver & cowon (iaudio). they've been making mp3 players for a while

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juski:

ah

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juski:

people I know who previously swore by their iriver & creative devices have switched to ipod

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directhex|work:

they even play lots of formats, and work with loonicks properly

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directhex|work:

there's no commercially-available player to meet my criteria, so i use rockbox

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juski:

can I wun miffyteevee on a portable loonix playerz?!

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juski:

:P

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|Torg|:

not unless you learn to spell it correctly :P

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juski:

hmm. scratch the 4gb ipoo idea then

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juski:

128 squids!

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directhex|work:

juski, work with loonicks as in "let you transfer files on/off without reverse-engineered database bollocks that sometimes breaks"

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juski:

ah

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directhex|work:

as is the case with ipods

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directhex|work:

if anything goes wrong, boot yer mac or windows, load itunes, and run a database restore from there

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juski:

I don't mind itunes. it's pretty much drap & drop

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juski:

and I don't run linux on my desktop

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directhex|work:

itunes was a massive pain in the ass last time i went near it

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juski:

bloody hell microdirect sell ipod, or ipod, or ipod,or some horribe hand-sized video player doobries

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juski:

bah

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directhex|work:

that's what the market wants!

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directhex|work:

remember, market saturation by one brand is always great for the consumer!

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juski:

mmyerrs

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juski:

I better go turn off the mailing list emails

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RealWayhigh:

anyone here got the atsc-110 card's remote working?

[16:11:09]

Kazan:

someone did

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Kazan:

required a kernel patch

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Kazan:

i didn't feel like patching my kernel

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Kazan:

http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC-110

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RealWayhigh:

yeah I had it partially working once but I upgraded to opensuse 10.3 and now it doesn't work.. can't figure out if it's just a module I'm forgetting to load or something

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RealWayhigh:

:(

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galorin:

ok, got lirc mostly working, xmodmap was a waste of time as several buttons didn't come up. Now, when testing, irw just goes back to command line rather than waiting for any input.

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laga:

galorin: odd

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laga:

galorin: is lircd running? where is the socket?

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Kazan:

i wonder if hauppauge could manage to cram all the following on one board: 2 IVTV tuners + 2 HD tuners, each independantly accessable

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galorin:

ok, I just forced lircd to start, showed up under ps -aux | grep lirc, then I launchirw, and it goes away...

[16:16:47]

laga:

lricd still running?

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galorin:

Kazan, I don't see why not, as long as you've got the space and the bandwidth to your hard drives to keep up with the data coming off all 4 cards at full steam

[16:17:54]

galorin:

lircd keeps dying on me aparrently

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Kazan:

speaking of that i just checked their website.. i think they did it

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laga:

galorin: anything in /var/log/daemon.log ?

[16:18:35]

Kazan:

nope just 1 ivtv and 1 atsc/qam

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Kazan:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr1800.html

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Kazan:

pci-express

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galorin:

Have you got what is it, FDDIor fibrechannel drives? SCSI might cut it, but I don't know if SATA could keep up with all them tuners

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galorin:

let me put a tail on daemon log and see

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Kazan:

wonder what chipset it has for hd

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galorin:

ok, let me do some checking

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galorin:

I may have done a bad thing with udev, identified the wrong device

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galorin:

let's do it the old way first then

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laga:

are you using the dev/input driver?

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galorin:

it's not showing up in /proc/bus/input/devices.. that can't be right, re-checking

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galorin:

sure thing,I gave udev the wrong product ID or something, but now the remote aint there to get the right one from. Heh

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Yahooadam:

hmm wtf

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Yahooadam:

java is using 99% of my mythtv's proccesor

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galorin:

brb, looks like both lirc_atiusb AND ati_remote modules are being loaded.. I blacklisted ati_remote

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Dagmar:

that's what you get for using Konqueror

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ARfdee:

2007-09–06 11:34:59.175 NVP: Video is 30 frames ahead of audio,

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ARfdee:

doubling video frame interval to slow down

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juski:

welcome to the world of jitterry playback :D

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Yahooadam:

wtf

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Yahooadam:

samba is using 50% cpu now

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Yahooadam:

wtf is going on

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laga:

omg omg

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ARfdee:

juski: hmm, it seems to be related to alsa, i wonder why

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juski:

I get that with newer versions of minimyth. it's a bitch

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juski:

maybe it's to do with sample rate conversion, maybe alsa is buggy

[16:38:04]

juski:

maybe there's a video driver or xorg problem

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ARfdee:

hmm, having same issues with gmplayer /dev/video0

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juski:

maybe there's even a bug in mythtv's playback timing

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juski:

I just don't know but it's pissed me off enough to consider replacing the frontend with one that has a real cpu rather than the shitty Via C3

[16:38:58]

ARfdee:

well, i didn't used to have this problem with the same computer, so i think it's something else

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juski:

possibly driver related

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ARfdee:

like, nvidia?

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juski:

no idea. I've tried all sorts to fix it here. always end up going back to an older version of minimyth :(

[16:41:15]

juski:

the only thing I've not yet done is build minimyth myself with the same rev of drivers etc as I've got now but only update the mythtv libs

[16:41:31]

juski:

but that seriously isn't fun and takes upwards of 18 hours

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ARfdee:

don't sata drives not support dma?

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juski:

you get dma as standard as far as I know

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ARfdee:

shouldn't hdparm report it?

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juski:

dunno

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** juski is still in the dark ages **

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Kazan:

if i wanted to put an ISO of a DVD on my mythbox for playback.. would i stick it in my mythvideo dir?

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juski:

right I have a crappy mp3 player to return to the shop

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sphery:

juski: Were you still considering removing the <size:small> and <size:big> support and letting users use "Fine tune font size" or direct XML edits?

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Yahooadam:

shop, mp3 player, wtf juski :p

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laga:

omg wtf omg

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Kazan:

wtb: a widescreen theme+osd that isn't fugly

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Kazan:

laga: ?

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laga:

Kazan: ?

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Kazan:

[11:46] <laga> omg wtf omg

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Kazan:

[

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laga:

yeah, so what?

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galorin:

ok, it's official, the ATI reciever is no longer showing up in /proc/bus/input/devices

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Kazan:

what were you omg wtf omg'ing about?

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sphery:

juski: I just posted to the -users list info about why a user didn't see a change with the font settings. He had a script to change XML files and I suggested using it to create small/big sizes for all the themes, but recommended he talk to you, first.

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laga:

Kazan: just ranting

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galorin:

Oh, quickie for yall, forcing ubuntu to use an arbitrary resolution instead of 1024x768.. like 720x400.. got a widescreen here that does a max resolution of 1024x768, i.e not widescreen at max resolution

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laga:

where's the question? :)

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laga:

using nvidia?

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galorin:

Yep

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laga:

galorin: see wiki.mythtv.org the nvidia driver can do those resolutions without much hassle

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sphery:

Kazan: Yes. ISO in MythVideo dirs.

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galorin:

I know it can do it without much hassle, buteven after editing xorg, it still won't do. Guess I'll just have to wait for the next Ubuntu release

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Maccco:

I added manually some pictures to ~/.mythtv/MythVideo/ (where there already are pict auto-added from imdb). But I can't see them using the video manager

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galorin:

Maccco, , I think there also needs to be an entry in the database as well.. not sure though

[17:01:08]

Maccco:

thanks, maybe I found something

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cyurk:

Macco: got to Setup -> Video Manager and they may get picked up

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galorin:

can't find the bloody ATI remote anywhere useful!

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Maccco:

thanks, fixed! :-) Is there a way to give a default image to videos w/out posters?

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cyurk:

always wondered that myself

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Maccco:

it so ugly to see an empty space... maybe we should issue a ticket

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Yahooadam:

gahhh

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Yahooadam:

my mythtv hdd died >_<

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galorin:

:'( I can't find the ATI remote anywhere on my system anymore WAAHHHH! Maybe it's time to start over completely.

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galorin:

Well, I guess a dead HDD is worse than a lost remote

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laga:

galorin: you must be doing something wrong ;)

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laga:

galorin: do you want my backport of lirc 0.8.x or feisty?

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galorin:

I must be... but I don't know what.

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galorin:

Let me see what I'm running

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laga:

ga

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laga:

um, nvm

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galorin:

I'm on Edgy

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laga:

oh

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laga:

edgy

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laga:

can't help you then, i'm afraid. you can try to backport it yourself, though

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galorin:

Meh, would be backporting from unstable. Don't fancy that myself

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galorin:

dinnertime

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laga:

bah, ~ is full

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clever:

.

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Yahooadam:

ERROR when trying to delete file: /srv/DataDisk3/Recordings/2001_20070906134000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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clever:

thats new

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clever:

mine deletes the database stuff anyway

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Yahooadam:

the HDD died

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Yahooadam:

so i lost the recordings

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Yahooadam:

i just want it to clear the database

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clever:

you could just clear out the list of recordings

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Yahooadam:

how ?

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clever:

are there any new recordings in it yet?

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Yahooadam:

nope

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clever:

that makes it simpler

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clever:

know how to log into mysql?

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Yahooadam:

im in phpmyadmin atm

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

you could just go over to the recorded table

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clever:

that lists all recordings

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clever:

should be a button to empty it

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Yahooadam:

kk done

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clever:

"truncate table recorded" would also do it

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Yahooadam:

but what about the otherstuff ?

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clever:

which other stuff?

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Yahooadam:

like recordedcredits

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Yahooadam:

recordedmarkup

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Yahooadam:

etc etc

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clever:

dont think those will affect the listings of what shows you have

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Yahooadam:

kk

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clever:

and even if there is stuff you havent cleaned up in there it isnt that large

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Yahooadam:

mythtv needs a clean database option :p

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clever:

you could just drop the whole db but then you loose guide/schedule/settings

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clever:

and have to start allmost from scratch

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Yahooadam:

na dont wanna do that

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Yahooadam:

setting up channels takes far too long :p

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clever:

lol:)

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Yahooadam:

lets just hope the HDD doesnt die again >_<

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sphery:

Yahooadam: MythTV has a clean database option. http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7 (adjust as necessary--i.e. if all you want are rules and history, just do record and oldrecorded)

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Yahooadam:

ah ty sphery :)

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ol_schoola:

done correctly, the clean DB option ALWAYS works

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Yahooadam:

ah

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Yahooadam:

so using that guide

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Yahooadam:

i would backup with the sql commands

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Yahooadam:

clear the DB

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Yahooadam:

then re-insert ?

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Kazan:

wtf

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Kazan:

how good is driver support on linux x86_64... ivtv, nxt2004 dvb, lirc serial i assume are all present

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clever:

only 64bit i have is sparc

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clever:

my myth systems are 32bit

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fryfrog:

Kazan: 64bit should be fine, 32bit is fine

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fryfrog:

given the choice, i'd prolly hit up 32bit just for the not-having-to-worry

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Kazan:

when i upgrade i'll be getting an athlon 64 x2

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** Kazan cries.. no pci-express motherboards have 4 legacy pci slots.. most they have is 3 **

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Kazan:

i have 3 pci slots occupied by tuners, and 1 by my turtle beach sound card

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bsdfox_:

just use onboard sound :P

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bsdfox_:

and actually, one of my pci-e mobos has 4 pci slots

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bsdfox_:

it's an msi k8n neo4-f

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vollo:

hi all

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laga:

Kazan: some industrial boards have 4 slots

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Kazan:

ah

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Kazan:

newegg doesn't have any am2 boards with more than 3

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Yahooadam:

where can u get 3 :o

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Yahooadam:

:p

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Kazan:

there have a bunch with 3

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bsdfox_:

anyone got advice for fixing really bad picture quality at higher channel #s (with comcast cable)? I don't get it with the TV, just through my pvr-500 tuners

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bsdfox_:

up til channel ~20 it looks fine, then gradually degrades

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Yahooadam:

my mate has an opty 165 940

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Yahooadam:

but i cant find a motherboard for it

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bsdfox_:

Yahooadam: tyan

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bsdfox_:

:)

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|Torg|:

http://www.giga-byte.com.tw/Products/Motherbo . . . -M55plus-S3G

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bsdfox_:

socket 940 mobos are easy to find

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Yahooadam:

in the UK

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bsdfox_:

mail order

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Kazan:

part of the PATRIOT ACT got pwnd this morning

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|Torg|:

yes about IP sniffing

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|Torg|:

and calling it the Patriot act is a misomner, the the Big Brother law

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bsdfox_:

good

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bsdfox_:

I studied that in my business law class right after it was signed in

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bsdfox_:

so messed up..

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Kazan:

|Torg|: not misnomber. orweillian (sp?)

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Kazan:

got to love orweillian naming of bills

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Kazan:

the PATRIOT ACT is really "if you sign this you shouldn't be in congress" act

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Kazan:

why is it that backend normally crashes when you make install over it... most other linux apps don't do that

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|Torg|:

as a US citizen im not entirely certain what scares me more, terrorist activity or our own reaction to it (the Patriot Act being one example)

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Yahooadam:

maybe other linux apps kill the process before rewriting their files ?

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directhex:

TERRORISM! http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/46529/detail/

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Kazan:

the likelyhood of being the victim of a terrorist attack in the united states is like.. 1/100th the probability of being hit by lightning

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Kazan:

and the probability of being the victim of domestic terrorism (such as christian extremists bombing abortion clinics) is like... 1000 times more likely than being the victim of a terrorist attack by foreign parties

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Kazan:

directhex: [robot chicken]we're voting democrat... TERRORISM!

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Yahooadam:

apple quicktime – yuch

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directhex:

Yahooadam, yeah i know, it got yanked from youtube. Kazan's seen it though

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Kazan:

what i find funny is those least likely to be victims of a terrorist attack (fly-over landers) are the most afraid of it

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Kazan:

oh lol it was the robot chicken video you linked me to :D

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Kazan:

i responded before following the link

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fryfrog:

fucking terrorist bull shit

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fryfrog:

more people die every day in automobile accidents, or at least, it only takes a few days to equal the number killed in 9/11

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fryfrog:

but no body is going to war to "eleminate cars" :/

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fryfrog:

you shouldn't be affraid when the news reports on something, its when they *stop* reporting on it that you should be worried

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vollo:

HI I have a question :)) I want to grab the epg datas from dvb-t for my analog tuner . I want not to grab it from a website . Can anybody help me ?(e.g. a programm or a howtow)

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directhex:

vollo, absolutely impossible to get EIT without a DVB-T tuner

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vollo:

@fryfrog thats right They want that you have afraid and let them do all with you

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vollo:

@directhex I want the epg datas for the analog tv

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directhex:

vollo, and how do you intend to get that data?

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Yahooadam:

wtf ?

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Yahooadam:

how are you going to get it not from a website ...

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt come out of thin air u know

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directhex:

Yahooadam, it does on DVB-T!

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vollo:

I have a DVB-T card they provide the epg datas and write them in the database that i can use it for analog:)

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directhex:

vollo, right. you never *said* that

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Yahooadam:

thats thick air :p

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Yahooadam:

ohh you have e DVB-T tuner :o

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vollo:

I want to record tv with analog tuner with the epg datas (starttime....and so on)

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vollo:

@directhex you now a solution?

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vollo:

know

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vollo:

^^ sorry for my bad english:)

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directhex:

you know, i've not tried. i expect it's possible though

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vollo:

mh i think its possible too but i dont know how :(

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Yahooadam:

well the DVB-T tuner can pick up listings from EIT

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Yahooadam:

and then you just need to fudge them over to the terrestrial channels

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Yahooadam:

im sure its possible, easy with a simple SQL script im sure

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vollo:

One question is EIT the same as EPG ?

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vollo:

I mean in germany it calls EPG

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directhex:

vollo, EIT is the standard used to send an EPG through DVB (as opposed to downloading it via a net connection or somesuch)

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laga:

vollo: there's also #mythtv-de

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vollo:

oh ^^

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone here using a 64 bit distro? I need to dig one up and was hoping for recommendations on the most "stable" ones out there.

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bsdfox_:

GreyFoxx: I'm running 64-bit gentoo on my myth backend

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jams:

no need to be greedy 32 bits is enough for everybody!

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GreyFoxx:

jams: I have to run 64bit vmware guests on it :)

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zntneo:

I am having a problem where my mythbackend process keeps shutting down with what seems like no reason at all

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zntneo:

any ideas why?

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Kazan:

check the log?

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zntneo:

where is the log located again?

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GreyFoxx:

bsdfox_: I might have to check that out. apparently I have to pick something and start the install tomorrow *sigh*

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fysafysa:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=288669&cid=20482181&n bsp;– has anyone here achieved off-loading H264 with fglrx?

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zntneo:

where is the log for mythbackend located?

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laga:

zntneo: what distro?

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zntneo:

mythdora

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laga:

zntneo: prolly somewhere in /var/log/

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GreyFoxx:

fysafysa: Never heard of anyone doing that

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GreyFoxx:

I find that statement highly suspect :)

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directhex:

so do i

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GreyFoxx:

Though I think it'

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GreyFoxx:

s great if they do open the specs

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directhex:

seing as AFAIK XvMC isn't capable of doing such things right now

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Yahooadam:

if that doesnt help znteo

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jams:

GreyFoxx- although i have not tried it, the archlinux 64 bit might be worth a go. I REALLY like the 32 bit version

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Yahooadam:

zntneo #

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Yahooadam:

if you run mythtvbackend with mythbackend on the CLI

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Yahooadam:

you can see when it drops out and read the log

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GreyFoxx:

jams: Cool. In the end if I hate any particular distro I can move the VM to another, I just want something that is as stable as possible

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, ubuntu!

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zntneo:

Yahooadam: it runs for a while then drops later on

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zntneo:

looking in the log, which the earilest event is 2007-08–29 i see a couple errors

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Yahooadam:

you can allways use screen so u dont have to leave the terminal open :p

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Yahooadam:

but anyway, what are your errors :)

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** fysafysa hunts through changelogs and subversions **

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zntneo:

[mpeg2video @ 0x589f3a4]ac-tex damaged at 17 14

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zntneo:

[mpeg2video @ 0x589f3a4]Warning MVs not available

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zntneo:

then after that it trys to connect to backend serve once then says the protocol and thats the ened of the log

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jams:

GreyFoxx- if you remember that hardware plugin i talked to you about, the beginnings of a server side piece is running at http://hardware.mythvantage.com:8080/stats

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jams:

also /devices

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laga:

what's "smolt"?

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zntneo:

that is all i have

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jams:

smolt is the software i'm using to collect the data. i figured if it's good enough for fedora it will work for me as well.

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zntneo:

anyone have any ideas?

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jams:

laga the client side plugin i'm working on looks like this => http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . hardware.png

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zntneo:

is there any way i can see when the process terminated?

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laga:

jams: very nice!

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jams:

laga, don't worry it's not distro specific =)

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regebro:

Hiya! Is there a way to get the internal video player to play the first 10 seconds of a movie, and the last five? It always skips them for me which is kinda annoying. :-)

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laga:

jams: looking forward to packaging it then ;)

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Yahooadam:

anyone here have a 939 motherboard with 4+ sata ports and AGP they dont want any more ? :p

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regebro:

mplayer works fine, but I can't find a way to change the aspect ratio except via command-line....

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Yahooadam:

in the UK

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regebro:

And I don't want to have to choose between incorrect aspect rations and the first 10 seconds of the avi. :-)

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zntneo:

this is reallly irratating

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zntneo:

dang mythbackend why won't you stay runnng!

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laga:

zntneo: increase verbosity level

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zntneo:

and i do that how?

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regebro:

Is the silence a "no", or is the ten second skip unique for me? :-)

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Yahooadam:

regebro, maybe no-one who knows has read yet ;)

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regebro:

Yahooadam: Could be. :-)

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Yahooadam:

zntneo, i reccomend you install screen, then run mythbackend in a screen

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laga:

zntneo: mythbackend --help

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Yahooadam:

next time it dies, reattach the screen and you can see the last lines of messages before it died

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laga:

yeah, that's totally easier than just checking the logs

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Yahooadam:

he has checked the logs :p

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Yahooadam:

well depends how you like to do it i guess ;)

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zntneo:

well doing a quick good says i'm not hte only one with this problem

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laga:

um

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laga:

did AMD/ATI really just announce that they were going to open up the specs?

[19:38:45]

Yahooadam:

screen is pretty easy also

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zntneo:

yea that sounds like a croc of you know what

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Yahooadam:

list of commands, screen, mythbackend, ctrl A+D

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Yahooadam:

when it dies, screen -r

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willcooke:

laga, Yup! Well, that's how I read it anyway

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laga:

willcooke: hum. i'll believe it when i see it.

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willcooke:

laga, :)

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Yahooadam:

how does the recorder choose which show to record, if your trying to record 3 shows (with the same priority) on 2 tuners ?

[19:41:31]

GreyFoxx:

laga: Yeah, could be interesting if they do it

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ARfdee:

hi

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ARfdee:

i still am getting listings

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ARfdee:

despite not paying

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ARfdee:

what does that mean?

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laga:

you are a pirate

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GreyFoxx:

ARfdee: They kill DNS for it 2 days ago, the other machines will disappear any second

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regebro:

Damn, so I will have to suffer bad aspect ratio. What a horror. ;)

[19:44:27]

charlieS:

has anyone come up with an alternative to paying (too much) money for programming info yet?

[19:44:28]

ARfdee:

GreyFoxx: how do you mean?

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ARfdee:

i have listings till at least september 17

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Yahooadam:

charlieS – Schedules Direct is selling listings now, dunno if its too much for you though

[19:52:28]

Yahooadam:

if you wait a while they expect the price to drop

[19:52:45]

laga:

and please

[19:52:46]

laga:

PLEASE

[19:52:47]

Yahooadam:

ARfdee – is this Zap2It ?

[19:52:50]

laga:

for god's sake

[19:52:55]

laga:

don't complain about the price

[19:52:59]

laga:

at least not in here

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Kazan:

anyone who complains about the price should die

[19:53:15]

zntneo:

why?

[19:53:34]

ARfdee:

yes

[19:53:40]

Yahooadam:

beacause the guys who set it up worked very hard, and didnt have much time

[19:53:47]

laga:

that's a big harsh, but yes, it's fscking annoying

[19:54:05]

Yahooadam:

ARfdee – Zap2It has closed down, their servers will die soon and you will stop getting listings

[19:54:06]

Kazan:

and put a bunch of their own money down up front from my understanding

[19:54:18]

ARfdee:

Yahooadam: ok, well, i have september 17 still

[19:54:32]

ARfdee:

does that mean i'll have listings till at least then?

[19:55:08]

Yahooadam:

yes, they cant steal the listings out your database ;)

[19:55:17]

ARfdee:

;)

[19:55:51]

zntneo:

yea what bs yahoo, you know they'll still the listings

[19:57:10]

Yahooadam:

just hope your sql server doesnt die :p

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anp:

I've problems with crackly sound. Sounds like an old record. Without any luck when looking mailinglist archive. In KMix AC97 is in the high end when looking at the Input. AC97 is turned off when looking at the input. If I do the oppersit the sound is fine but out of sync with the video and the sound is still playing regardless I've stopped watching live tv. Where should I start ?

[19:57:30]

zntneo:

oh but it will , murpheys law says so

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sphery:

Yahooadam: If all recordings have same priority, the newer recording rule takes precedence (assuming that program doesn't air again within your listings window and/or you didn't enable, "Reschedule Higher Priorities").

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mike3_:

Mail me food please

[20:04:47]

mike3_:

Hey, question for you guys...

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mike3_:

You all might find this quite interesting

[20:04:57]

bsdfox:

2007-09–06 13:03:09.009 Total desktop dim: 2720x1024, with 2 screen[s].

[20:04:57]

bsdfox:

2007-09–06 13:03:09.013 Using screen 0, 1280x1024 at 0,0

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bsdfox:

how can I make mythfrontend run on screen 1?

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mike3_:

How many users are currntly have a subscription at SD?

[20:05:23]

God2:

anyone here have any experience with Mythdora? Im thinking about giving it a run to see how it is since Im redoing my box

[20:05:35]

God2 is now known as GoalieManPat

[20:06:30]

sphery:

ARfdee: The price of Schedules Direct subscription won't drop for 3 months, or--if it does--already-signed-up users will be given an option to "extend" the subscription at the new rate (i.e. as if they had signed up at the new, lower rate on Sep 1 or whenever) (Not official statement from SD--I'm not SD--but I'm pretty certain of my statement's truth.)

[20:06:33]

mike3_:

Do you all realize that if Schedules Direct has 5000 people subscribed, then that company just made $75,000 for those 3 months.

[20:07:08]

directhex:

which company?

[20:07:09]

mike3_:

Then they recharge again after 3 months for $20 with probably 10,000 users making over $200,000.

[20:07:17]

mike3_:

Schedules Direct

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directhex:

schedules direct is a NPO

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mike3_:

Do you guys really think it costs SD this month to give us a list of lineups?

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GreyFoxx:

I know it does

[20:07:43]

mike3_:

much

[20:07:52]

bsdfox:

mike3_: you calculate that all on your own?

[20:07:55]

g3k:

TMS is the one making the money

[20:08:02]

GoalieManPat:

Good for them. They are offering us a service we deathly need in a real quick timeframe. i feel they deserve my $20. well worth it

[20:08:02]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, How?

[20:08:06]

GreyFoxx:

"break even", with no hardware, nor bandwidth was around 3000 users

[20:08:16]

ARfdee:

GoalieManPat: $20 for how long?

[20:08:22]

GreyFoxx:

that break even was for $5 a month

[20:08:36]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, So what do they do with the profit of money?

[20:08:43]

charlieS:

Yahooadam: well I pay for a comcast DVR now.. I use mythtv for non-encrypted channels. On principal, I'm not going to pay for any OSS though :)

[20:08:51]

GoalieManPat:

meant 15. whatever it is i have no problems paying it

[20:08:58]

directhex:

mike3_, lower prices. you know what "non-profit organisation" means right?

[20:09:08]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: the price goes down, then it goes to pay for servers, bandwidth (which so far is donated and we have ti pay at some point)

[20:09:23]

mike3_:

directhex, I do, but it's obvious that they have made the money they need.

[20:09:31]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, hrm..

[20:09:39]

directhex:

mike3_, who do you think "they" is?

[20:09:43]

GreyFoxx:

eventually we will start hosting the data directly and the bw goes up and maintenance time someone has to spend does too

[20:09:59]

GoalieManPat:

whats wrong with them making some money. they did all the work to offer us a service? they are going out of there way to make it as cheap as possible and hopefully eventually lower ir

[20:10:00]

GreyFoxx:

the bw and cost of listings is NOT trivial

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[20:10:41]

mike3_:

Do you think they should make 100,000 grand a year

[20:10:42]

mike3_:

?

[20:11:00]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, So you're saying that $45,000 goes to just hardware and service.

[20:11:02]

charlieS:

that's nothing.. maybe 2 peoples' salaries (if they're flunkies). So, yeah.

[20:11:03]

directhex:

mike3_, you think getting data from TMS is free?

[20:11:05]

g3k:

GreyFoxx: you mean there are real servers doing that stuff? I though it was virtual </sarcasm>

[20:11:06]

mike3_:

Honestly, it costs that much?

[20:11:06]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: 100 wouldn't even code the cost of listings

[20:11:07]

GoalieManPat:

why not. if the service is in that demand then yes they should

[20:11:15]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[20:11:19]

GreyFoxx:

It's insanely expensive

[20:11:34]

mike3_:

GoalieManPat, I'd just go pirate MCE if they do that

[20:11:36]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, you NDA'd over saying what it is?

[20:11:38]

mkrufky:

omg are people complaining? im just happy there is a replacement

[20:11:44]

GreyFoxx:

directhex: I can't say specifics

[20:11:45]

GoalieManPat:

then go be a pirate

[20:11:52]

directhex:

ah, now we reveal the problem

[20:11:53]

mkrufky:

who cares if it costs money — its worth it

[20:12:11]

directhex:

mike3_ here is one of the current generation of Homo Stultus, with the sense of infinite entitlement, fuelled by the intarwebs

[20:12:12]

mike3_:

Hey look it, I paid the $15 bucks, but I want to know it's going to a service for the profit money they make from it

[20:12:21]

charlieS:

mkrufky: well not really. if you want to record (cable or satellite) HD, you have to pay for another service too.

[20:12:30]

Yahooadam:

mike3_

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charlieS:

might as well just use comcast DVR or tivo exclusively.

[20:12:33]

mike3_:

directhex, Why do I always have to get some queer remark on IRC. geez

[20:12:45]

mkrufky:

charlieS: you can record from cable without paying :-)

[20:12:46]

Yahooadam:

firstly, they had to fork out for a set of servers, and a datacenter, with bandwidth

[20:12:51]

directhex:

mike3_, queer?

[20:12:51]

charlieS:

mkrufky: not HD

[20:12:54]

mkrufky:

yes, HD

[20:13:04]

Yahooadam:

secondly, they had to pay someone for the channel data

[20:13:05]

mkrufky:

at least you can in new york

[20:13:22]

Yahooadam:

thirdly, they had no idea how many people would sign up for it, so atm the price is a bit high

[20:13:30]

GoalieManPat:

if the service you paid for works then who cares what the money is used for by them as long as the service continues to work

[20:13:33]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: The cost of the listings is shockingly expensive, and including Canada with it increased it even more

[20:13:46]

Yahooadam:

They are expecting with some more sign ups to lower the price quite alot

[20:13:52]

charlieS:

especially in Canada where the government takes > 1/2 your pay :)

[20:13:59]

GreyFoxx:

The price is going to go down

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GreyFoxx:

But it's too early to say exactly hwo much yet

[20:14:19]

Yahooadam:

or the UK where the government takes 3/4 your pay :p

[20:14:22]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, Well I paided SD myself. I just want to know that if they make some profit maybe they can give back to Open Source or put to towards MythTV. I just don't like the idea of people getting hammered of the extra cash

[20:14:48]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, you planning on getting hammered?

[20:14:49]

Yahooadam:

they will probably keep the money incase they need it in an emergency

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Yahooadam:

or to pay back the costs of all the hardware, and schedules

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charlieS:

(and they'll give themselves raises..)

[20:15:03]

Yahooadam:

or both

[20:15:14]

Yahooadam:

its an NPO – they cant

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GreyFoxx:

mike3_: Extra money over and above listings, hardware , bw and maintenance (if it take someone full time to maintain or whatever) is planning to be spread back toward OSS projects and support

[20:15:25]

charlieS:

Yahooadam: uh.. salaries are an expense.

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GreyFoxx:

Noone here is going to be making any serious money

[20:15:51]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, Do you think somebody would have to do this full time?

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Yahooadam:

i didnt think you got paid a salary in an NPO ?

[20:16:10]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: Certainly once we take over full hosting of it

[20:16:10]

Yahooadam:

yes – definetly

[20:16:11]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, you working full-time on SD stuff?

[20:16:21]

GoalieManPat:

I say "SD team, go get hammered and get some dancing girls with the extra from the first run of subscriptions. you earned it"

[20:16:23]

charlieS:

Yahooadam: you do, definitely.

[20:16:25]

GreyFoxx:

directhex: No, but I spend quite a bit of my (free) time on it

[20:16:32]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, right

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GreyFoxx:

and that's nothing compared to xris or rmeden from xmltv

[20:16:36]

directhex:

mike3_, "no"

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mike3_:

GreyFoxx, I take it you are one of the operators?

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directhex:

xris, gotten hammered recently, courtesy of an influx of paypal cashes?

[20:16:58]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: Not on the board of directors, but yes

[20:17:31]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, Mind me asking, what are OSS projects?

[20:17:41]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, And how and why do you have to pay for support?

[20:17:41]

GreyFoxx:

Open Source Software ?

[20:17:57]

Yahooadam:

you dont HAVE to pay

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Yahooadam:

oh, support as in getting help with problems ?

[20:18:25]

charlieS:

well good thing SD is a NPO.. they wouldn't make money anyway. SD depends on mythtv, which depends on distro packaging (for most users), and many other components, like the colossally crappily programmed lirc project..

[20:18:26]

Yahooadam:

or support as in helping the developers eat ?

[20:18:50]

jams:

amazing how similiar some of these converstaions are to when LxM was introducted. However SD has alot more people signing up.

[20:19:01]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: No, I wasn't clear. money toward oss projects and supporting them. Maybe buying hardware for development, maybe helping defray costs for for development or tradeshows

[20:19:10]

Yahooadam:

charlieS – it doesnt rely on mythtv, other people could use it (i believe) and whats wrong with lirc (And it doesnt rely on lirc atall anyway)

[20:19:41]

charlieS:

Yahooadam: the whole experience of mythtv relies on lirc (among other things).

[20:19:44]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, What did you mean when SD have to do full hosting?

[20:19:46]

charlieS:

(I'd be happy to show you examples of extremely poor programming issues in lirc--)

[20:19:58]

Yahooadam:

it doesnt "rely" on lirc atall

[20:20:10]

directhex:

mike3_, currently SD hosting/bandwidth is free. that won't last

[20:20:12]

mike3_:

Yahooadam, I was about to say the same thing

[20:20:14]

charlieS:

just saying.. mythtv without a remote is useless to most people.

[20:20:17]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: right now you are grabnbing the data from TMS servers, eventually we will host it all

[20:20:26]

Yahooadam:

some remotes are supported by the kernel to start with, and you dont have to use a remote to control mythtv either

[20:20:46]

charlieS:

and every time I've updated my kernel lirc has broken, without proper errors (they aren't even checking return codes when opening devices...)

[20:20:53]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, Then how is SD providing the lineups then?

[20:21:10]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, If it's coming from TMS servers?

[20:21:15]

GreyFoxx:

"right now you are grabbing from TMS servers"

[20:21:34]

Yahooadam:

then dont update your kernal ? :p

[20:22:06]

Yahooadam:

when you upgrade from windows 2000 to windows XP, dont you expect to re-install drivers ?

[20:22:08]

charlieS:

well for other reasons sometimes I need to :))

[20:22:14]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, Yes from TMS, but why are people paying SD if another company is providing hte lineups?

[20:22:26]

charlieS:

Yahooadam: yes, and I expect said drivers to compile and work.

[20:22:27]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: They are providing them on our behalf

[20:22:40]

** charlieS shrugs – just opinion **

[20:22:46]

Yahooadam:

anyway im not going to defend lirc, i spent like 2 days setting it up :p

[20:22:52]

Yahooadam:

its definetly a pain somtimes

[20:22:54]

mike3_:

GreyFoxx, Techinically how is it owrking?

[20:23:57]

jams:

mike3_- TMS does not sell info to individual's, so SD was formed to pay what TMS wants and then individul's pay SD.

[20:24:51]

Yahooadam:

dont u just love systems like this :p

[20:25:09]

charlieS:

so where does TMS get the data? :)

[20:25:20]

directhex:

the networks

[20:25:37]

mike3_:

jams, It's a freeking ISP

[20:25:38]

charlieS:

perhaps a motivated OSS advocate could also get data from the networks, and provide it for free.

[20:25:43]

Yahooadam:

Networks -> resellers -> distributers -> consumers

[20:26:03]

directhex:

charlieS, think of the average network, and their approach to handing *anything* out for "free"

[20:26:13]

Yahooadam:

unlikekly, as TMS has to pay the networks, and probably substaintial amounts

[20:26:13]

mike3_:

jams, I wonder then, does the username/pass you create on SD sent to TMS then?

[20:26:14]

charlieS:

directhex: yeah :)

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Yahooadam:

mike3_ i doubt it

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charlieS:

its basically advertising, though. "hey look! my show is on!" .. *I* think they should provide it for free.

[20:27:03]

mike3_:

Yahooadam, Well how does SD and TMS assosciate the username?

[20:27:07]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: we communicate with their servers (via means I am hardly going to explain) to create and amange your account

[20:27:10]

directhex:

charlieS, case law says you're wrong

[20:27:19]

charlieS:

oh, is it IP?

[20:27:37]

directhex:

charlieS, and remember, in yankland, the reverse of rality applies – radio stations have to pay to advertise songs

[20:27:59]

charlieS:

lol, yankland. I'm going to use that...

[20:28:09]

charlieS:

(is that what the UK calls us now??)

[20:28:21]

directhex:

charlieS, only in polite company

[20:28:26]

charlieS:

or wankland..

[20:28:40]

Yahooadam:

lol

[20:29:10]

directhex:

charlieS, anyway, i'm pretty sure fox news has convinced you all we've been overrun and are now an islamist state, so how about "the great satan", that do you?

[20:29:23]

sphery:

oops.... Reading the traceback before I answered anp was a bad idea... (He left.)

[20:29:29]

** charlieS laughs **

[20:29:49]

charlieS:

note: you're talking to people on IRC. nobody here watches/believes network news.

[20:30:12]

sphery:

anp: If you read the logs, "Extra audio buffering: Enable this setting if MythTV is playing 'crackly' audio and you are using hardware encoding. ..." in mythfrontend settings.

[20:30:14]

directhex:

charlieS, okay, and the rest of the 99.99% of the population?

[20:30:30]

Jakal:

i need a little help. i installed mythtv using knoppmyth. but it seems to have an outdated version. i cat select scheduledirect. i ca only choose data direct for my tvlisting grabber. anyone know how to fix that?

[20:30:36]

charlieS:

wankers. and if they're from the south.. *sigh*

[20:31:11]

** charlieS starts a new country **

[20:31:11]

Yahooadam:

in "top" in linux, im assuming the "pr" column is priority ?

[20:31:12]

directhex:

Jakal, try an "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"?

[20:31:28]

Jakal:

ill give it a shot

[20:31:31]

Jakal:

thanks

[20:31:46]

mike3_:

So TMS is shutting down?

[20:31:49]

charlieS:

Yahooadam: yep

[20:32:09]

directhex:

mike3_, TMS is closing their free service, due to abuse from unadvertised sources

[20:32:10]

** charlieS gets back to work -> **

[20:32:11]

GreyFoxx:

mike3_: No, but the free Zap2iot labs (which is a subsidurary of TMS) is

[20:32:15]

Yahooadam:

is "16" the lowest priority ?

[20:32:20]

directhex:

mike3_, and TMS is offering assistance with hosting temporarily

[20:32:31]

Yahooadam:

hmm no :p

[20:32:34]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, so just who WAS abusing zap2it?

[20:32:44]

Yahooadam:

are higher numbers a lower priority, or higher priority ?

[20:32:51]

Yahooadam:

ie is 15 better then 16 ?

[20:34:34]

Kazan:

priority is standard numeric

[20:34:39]

Kazan:

higher number= higher score

[20:34:52]

Kazan:

99 records before 98

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mike3_:

directhex, Is there postings about this somewhere I could read?

[20:35:07]

Kazan:

mike3_: where have you been? it was announced four months ago

[20:35:27]

directhex:

mike3_, i haven't bothered collecting such info. we get all the schedules we need gratis in .uk

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mike3_:

Kazan, I haven't been idling on IRC. I've had a busy summer

[20:35:55]

Kazan:

it was in the tech news

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Yahooadam:

so it goes (lowest to highest)

[20:35:56]

Yahooadam:

1,2,3,4,5 ..... Real Time ?

[20:35:58]

Kazan:

it was on mythtv.org

[20:36:03]

Kazan:

it's on the homepage of the mythtv wiki

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mike3_:

Kazan, Tech news eh. Specific website?

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mkrufky:

Yahooadam: -99 is the lowest priority

[20:38:53]

mkrufky:

oh, u mean thread priority? oops ... i thought you meant recording schedule priority

[20:40:03]

mike3_:

I used to use digg.com but it has become a complete news mess.

[20:40:13]

mike3_:

to much junk on there that is pointless to read

[20:41:12]

Yahooadam:

yeah talking about thread priority here (i guess :P)

[20:41:37]

mkrufky:

slashdot

[20:42:29]

directhex:

http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythtv_0_20_2_now_ . . . for_download

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|martin|:

hi, i've a problem with record scheduling: i select something to record (record only this showing -> save settings), but then showing is still marked as "not recording"; the showing isn't recorded, but in the record-table there is a entry...does anyone know how to fix this?

[20:47:52]

Jakal:

ok "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" didnt seem to do the trick. anyone else got an idea on how to get it so i can have the option to choose schedules direct as my listings grabber?

[20:48:47]

Yahooadam:

what version of mythtv are you running jakal ?

[20:48:54]

directhex:

Jakal, you need myth 0.20.2. try #knoppmyth or similar?

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Yahooadam:

(mythbackend --version i believe)

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Jakal:

thanks directhex

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fysafysa:

Got a reply from the slashdoteer that made that comment – http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=289897&cid=20498997

[20:54:44]

fysafysa:

http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.24.8.html#180224

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fysafysa:

"Avivo based cards can now provide 3D Accelerated playback for applications that support XV video playback on XOrg 6.9 or higher. Video accelerated playback for Avivo cards is enabled by default."

[20:55:44]

fysafysa:

I see no mention of H264 specifically there though.

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directhex:

fysafysa, indeed. "Xv" in "accelerates Xv apps" shocker

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Yahooadam:

nationwide fai

[21:00:29]

Yahooadam:

fail #

[21:00:38]

Yahooadam:

"register your card for online shopping"

[21:00:42]

juski:

accelerated memory blitting ftw!

[21:00:43]

Yahooadam:

*enters details*

[21:00:59]

Yahooadam:

"you entered it wrong" no i bloody didnt !

[21:01:13]

juski:

Yahooadam: barclays eh?

[21:01:31]

Yahooadam:

nationwide :p

[21:01:38]

Yahooadam:

visa card

[21:01:42]

Yahooadam:

general fail tbh

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juski:

Yahooadam: you need to talk to this guy: http://youtube.com/watch?v=372Ah0Z_L1w

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[21:03:18]

directhex:

juski, all the cool kids blit these days!

[21:03:43]

juski:

a woman I used to work with used the phrase 'lick my blit' as a kind of put-down

[21:05:32]

Yahooadam:

lmao juski lol

[21:06:02]

juski:

<3 fonejacker

[21:06:28]

juski:

this one's good too http://youtube.com/watch?v=8No35aomeok

[21:06:55]

juski:

so – I'm all packed & ready to go. now I just have to sit around til it's time to go to the airport

[21:08:07]

Yahooadam:

where are you going ?

[21:08:34]

directhex:

turkmenistan. it's a hot holiday destination!

[21:09:09]

Yahooadam:

lol juski

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Yahooadam:

"big enough for film crew"

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|Torg|:

is there a way to patch bios from linux?

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juski:

patch a bios? or flash one?

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juski:

it's easy to make a boot floppy or cd from linux

[21:26:03]

Aval0n_:

hey guys, when you go into your program guide, and you navigate to your channel, is select supposed to work to tune the channel? because the only way I can do it, is by highlighting it and press menu again.

[21:26:19]

juski:

you can change that in a setting

[21:26:29]

Aval0n_:

awesome was hoping

[21:26:37]

Aval0n_:

I read a bunch of docs and couldn't find anything on it

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juski:

funnily enough it's called 'use select to change channel in program guide'

[21:26:56]

juski:

and guess where it is..

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Aval0n_:

hmm

[21:27:03]

juski:

it's in the program guide settings page!

[21:27:06]

juski:

amazing!

[21:27:12]

Aval0n_:

use select to change channel is what I saw

[21:27:19]

Aval0n_:

and I thought that was when entering the numbers

[21:27:21]

juski:

yeah

[21:27:26]

juski:

no

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Aval0n_:

I'de rather hit 02 and have it go than 02 +select

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Aval0n_:

didn't know that one setting effected both things.

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juski:

if enabled, the select key will change the channel while using the programme guide during live tv. If disabled, the select key will bring up the recording options screen

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Aval0n_:

juski: do you know why myth would pause sometimes freezes when hitting r to record a channel in the guide.

[21:29:41]

juski:

it really couldn't be any more clear than that ffs

[21:29:50]

juski:

Aval0n_: no idea

[21:30:18]

Aval0n_:

when the select key isn't bringing up the recoding options for me

[21:30:21]

Aval0n_:

it does nothing

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juski:

rofl

[21:30:27]

Aval0n_:

something must be screwed

[21:30:30]

juski:

yup

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floppyears:

hi guys how are you doing ?

[21:30:38]

Aval0n_:

hi floppy

[21:30:39]

Aval0n_:

good

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** juski is looking forward to his holiday **

[21:30:58]

Aval0n_:

just getting my 50/50 help/flame ratio in for the day :)

[21:31:05]

juski:

one who week away from you losers :P

[21:31:14]

Aval0n_:

hah

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juski:

s/who/whole

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Dagmar:

where'ts the option that mkes the frontendnot crash when you do that?

[21:31:34]

floppyears:

Aval0n_: out of curiosity how far are you with mythtv ?

[21:32:01]

Aval0n_:

pretty much done

[21:32:01]

floppyears:

juski: thanksgiving ? hanukah ? christmas ?

[21:32:02]

juski:

Dagmar: it's very well hidden. infact I think it might just be a random table in the database

[21:32:05]

floppyears:

Aval0n_: nic

[21:32:07]

floppyears:

Aval0n_: nice

[21:32:14]

Aval0n_:

got my signal looking much better

[21:32:21]

Aval0n_:

cox had a bad crimp outside

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Aval0n_:

and I replaced their crappy splitter

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juski:

floppyears: I'm not American. When I say 'holidays' I mean going away to somewhere that isn't home, not going to work for a while..

[21:33:01]

Aval0n_:

floppyears: got my harmony working

[21:33:10]

floppyears:

my signal is not that great either, but I think it could be from bad splitters, crinks & dogs chewing on coax cable outside

[21:33:16]

juski:

I told you to try putting batteries in

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Aval0n_:

used an rc6 lirc file that I customized then programmed the harmony to a rc6

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Aval0n_:

worked great

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floppyears:

juski: oh, sorry I didn't know if you were from the us or not. I am from southatmerica

[21:33:50]

juski:

floppyears: what you need is a damn good earthing problem on the coax. that'll stop critters chewing on it

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juski:

bzzt!

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floppyears:

haha

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juski:

word of caution though it's prolly not very good for your conscooter or tuner card(s)

[21:34:41]

floppyears:

yeah, some of those dogs deserver that. They chew up everything

[21:35:19]

juski:

btw I didn't end up buying a portable media player in the end. just took the crap one back to the shop. can't buy anything that isn't an ipod which is capable of running rockbox in the local shops

[21:35:39]

juski:

and I can't afford Â£120 for a 4GB iPoo ffs

[21:35:53]

juski:

not for the amount of use it'd get

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Dagmar:

You don't need a grounding problem.

[21:36:12]

Yahooadam:

where are you going then juski ?

[21:36:23]

Dagmar:

You need capsicum powder mixed in with some latex paint

[21:36:27]

Dagmar:

Just spread it on the wires.

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juski:

Yahooadam: greek island of Zakynthos

[21:37:11]

Yahooadam:

unlucky

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Yahooadam:

my sisters in greece atm

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Yahooadam:

:p

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Yahooadam:

may even be on zakynthos ... dunno ... :p

[21:37:51]

Yahooadam:

doesnt matter which island your on though, you will still hear her :p

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Aval0n_:

i dunno why the heck it's pausing

[21:38:21]

Aval0n_:

like 10 seconds, then I finally get the A recoding icon

[21:38:26]

simplton:

Is there a known bug where a mythfrontend client isn't storing the current channel info in the database, so when you check the info on a program you are watching it displays nothing?

[21:38:30]

juski:

low on ram Aval0n_

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Aval0n_:

1gb juski

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juski:

Yahooadam: lol

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Aval0n_:

on SD

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Aval0n_:

that ok?

[21:39:07]

juski:

Aval0n_: so? your db might be corrupted to feck, the partition the database is on could be fragmented to hell

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Aval0n_:

hm ok

[21:40:05]

Aval0n_:

I just purged the db

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Aval0n_:

and made a new one

[21:40:13]

Aval0n_:

so it's probably ok

[21:40:22]

Aval0n_:

I ran mythfilldatabase like 2 times

[21:40:33]

Aval0n_:

but I have not defragged since the initial installation

[21:40:42]

Aval0n_:

I'll give that a shot

[21:40:51]

Yahooadam:

how do you defrag on linux :o

[21:41:00]

jarle:

so.... I have a nvidia GeForce 7300GS with hdmi output and a cable for digital audio out on my mainboard to digital audio in on my gfx card, do I need to do any software setup to make the card send audio through the hdmi? Or should this just happen by default?

[21:41:05]

Aval0n_:

easy

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Aval0n_:

open my computer... right click c:

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Yahooadam:

oh

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Yahooadam:

your on winblowz ..

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Aval0n_:

hahaha

[21:41:47]

Aval0n_:

I'm kidding

[21:41:52]

Aval0n_:

juski is fuckin with me too

[21:41:56]

Aval0n_:

there is no defrag for linux

[21:42:01]

Aval0n_:

afaik

[21:42:04]

juski:

Aval0n_: you can defrag some filesystems

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juski:

xfs for one

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Yahooadam:

ext3 is only resistant to fragmentation

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Yahooadam:

that doesnt mean it doesnt fragment though :S

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Aval0n_:

right

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Aval0n_:

I am running ext3 <shrug>

[21:43:05]

Aval0n_:

i dunno what's causing it

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juski:

well, the trick is to never let the partition your database lives on get too full

[21:43:30]

Aval0n_:

400 gig free

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juski:

believe me if that happens, database go byebyes

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** juski looks around for his camera **

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Yahooadam:

how do u even know where mysql is storing the db ?

[21:44:54]

Piehole:

howdy

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Aval0n_:

ls -al /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg?

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simplton:

locate mysql/mytconverg

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Aval0n_:

assuming you've run updatedb &

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jblack:

There are ways to defrag ext3. It's a pain in the ass though, and puts you into non-production during the process

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simplton:

locate mysql/mythconverg

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Aval0n_:

you said that :)

[21:46:49]

Aval0n_:

juski

[21:47:00]

Aval0n_:

tha denoise3d was adding a lot of motion blur

[21:47:16]

Aval0n_:

but since I fixed cox cable's shotty work outside i don't need it

[21:47:30]

Piehole:

anybody know of an epg replacement for zap2it know that they're supposedly quiting there service?

[21:47:39]

Aval0n_:

lol

[21:47:41]

Piehole:

now*

[21:47:50]

Aval0n_:

Piehole: www.mythtv.org

[21:47:55]

Aval0n_:

read the news announcements

[21:47:57]

simplton:

Is there a known bug where a mythfrontend client isn't storing the current channel info in the database, so when you check the info on a program you are watching it displays nothing?

[21:48:06]

Piehole:

ok thanks

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Aval0n_:

simplton: the client doesn't store that

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simplton:

I know it should be stored in the DB

[21:49:03]

Aval0n_:

mythfilldatabase -refresh all maybe?

[21:49:04]

simplton:

the problem is both clients aren't storing to the central DB

[21:49:14]

jblack:

piehole: The replacement is called schedulesdirect, and you can get info on signing up at schedulesdirect.org

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Aval0n_:

simplton sorry I dunno man

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simplton:

10x for responding

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Aval0n_:

sure

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Yahooadam:

wow

[21:51:20]

Aval0n_:

?

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juski:

zap2it have closed down?!?!?!?!?!

[21:51:25]

Yahooadam:

only linux would have a command that wipes your entire file system in 1 go :p

[21:51:26]

** juski cries **

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Piehole:

jblack: so this is the epg data that most of the open source devs are steering their users towards...short of doing your own scaping?...i was hoping to find an easy free source...i use gb-pvr fwiw

[21:52:05]

** Aval0n_ hands juski a tissue **

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Yahooadam:

(ie rm -rf /)

[21:52:35]

Aval0n_:

sudo rm -rf /* :)

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jblack:

pie: I don't know of a no-cost, machine readable, source to the data.

[21:53:04]

Aval0n_:

e/xec free

[21:53:06]

Aval0n_:

err

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jblack:

The goal cost of SD is $20 a year. I don't think that'll break anyone's bank

[21:53:47]

jblack:

Right now it's $15 for three months. You'll spend more than that by taking a family of three to McDonald's.

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bsdfox:

anyone know what would cause bad reception on higher cable channels (40+) with a pvr-500? it's much worse than it is on my TV. I've tried switching the cables between TV and pvr-500 and it makes no difference

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bsdfox:

seems like it could be a tuner setting?

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Dagmar:

Or a cheap splitter or bad coax

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Dagmar:

The 500 has a splitter in it, so if your signal is already borderline, it's not good

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bsdfox:

ahh

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Piehole:

jblack: yeah i think you might be right. about a month ago i went thru the gb-pvr boards after the announcement came out. people were struggling then to find a leggit free source of data. the licensing cost i thought that were mentioned were out of this world like $5k/month from like tvguide...seems like this is just gonna push people towards tivos , as it has the same kind of ongoing expense for epg data...sigh..plus i'm a tightwad

[21:57:43]

bsdfox:

I'd guess that's the problem

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Piehole:

hearld broadcasting or whoever it was that ran zap2it could have done this same thing...dont know why they didnt

[21:59:03]

jblack:

pie: I'm all for saving money when reasonable, as I live on $2800 a month with a $800 mortgage. I don't think this is one of those cases.

[21:59:37]

jblack:

Scraping is error prone, cpu and bandwidth intensive, and very, very easy to make very, very difficult.

[22:00:04]

jblack:

Did you know the guys that are doing schedulesdirect are buying the zap2it data that used to be free?

[22:00:16]

jblack:

well, licensing it.

[22:01:04]

Dagmar:

Piehole: we are small dollars to them

[22:01:35]

jblack:

Yeah. And I think that zap2it is going out of their way to be as reasonable as they possibly can be.

[22:02:39]

jblack:

Knowledge is money. You should see how much some people charge for xml-rpc access to data.

[22:03:44]

Piehole:

jblack: no argumnet here from me...i just feel like i'm kinda being nickel and dimed to death. $70 cable, $55 inet, $13 vonage, $13 xmradio...just seems like everyone is trying to make a buck off the smallest drivel of info...but the folks running the project sound legit..and i know that if enug people get behind they they'll have a chance at success, cuase with the fees i heard of i dont know how $5/month is gonna cover their expences

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[22:04:51]

jblack:

Pie: Fire your cell phone company, use skype, use OTA radio and TV, and replace cable with a $10 low end AT&T dsl line.

[22:05:02]

jblack:

Before you know it, you're saving $300-$400 a month

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Piehole:

jblack: well there's my problem...i'm spoiled shitless...fwiw i coundnt drop my 10dwn/1 up inet access for the world...heh

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xris:

Piehole: we've already passed the $5/month break-even point for long-term stuff with SD. unfortunately for the users, we still need some capital to help with filing for nonprofit status, etc (and taxes) so can't drop the prices yet.

[22:06:47]

jblack:

I guess you're not the penny pincher you thought you were.

[22:06:59]

Piehole:

lol

[22:07:04]

Piehole:

true

[22:07:32]

Piehole:

xris: whos the main source of your data coming from?

[22:07:46]

jblack:

I told you that. zap2it.

[22:08:01]

Piehole:

oh!

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jblack:

Which is owned by Tribune Media Services, the 800 pound gorilla of scheduling data.

[22:08:29]

Piehole:

ahhh so they did buckle and do it as a pay service..ahhh!

[22:08:48]

** jams thinks piehole is still confused **

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jblack:

Well, not directly. THey're not dealing with users.

[22:09:20]

jblack:

SchedulesDirect is Zap2it's customer, and we're all schedulesdirect users.

[22:09:38]

Piehole:

i gues i didnt get past the posturing "no we wont" phase with them...i thought that they'd relent if they were to make enuf cash from it

[22:09:53]

jblack:

And I don't think buckle is the right term. I think "pity" might be though.

[22:09:55]

xris:

Piehole: zap2it has had a for-pay service for a long time.

[22:09:58]

xris:

it's "labs" that was free

[22:10:07]

Piehole:

ahhh

[22:10:32]

xris:

Labs is gone now, and TMS approached the devs of the projects that were using it to see if we would be interested in creating something to license the data now that it wouldn't be free anymore

[22:11:08]

jblack:

Oh, they were proactive?

[22:11:33]

xris:

jblack: yeah. they didn't want to leave us in the lurch, so to speak.

[22:11:57]

Piehole:

id thought that there was some other channel that might have worked at least for scraping, as when you bye a hauppauge card, they've paid a per unit fee to tvguide to use them as a guide data source?

[22:12:19]

jblack:

I didn't know that. The first I had heard of it was the public labs announcement that they were closing the doors.

[22:12:41]

xris:

jblack: yeah. and right around then, they contacted a bunch of devs, and we formed a working group.

[22:12:55]

Aval0n_:

sd owns

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xris:

SD board is 4 people from the open source community, and 1 from the free-as-in-beer community.

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Piehole:

heh...this is all quite rich!...i should have know it was too good not to come out this way!

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xris:

I'll probably be stepping down from the board in a few months because I've been putting in WAY too much work on SD to not get paid for it, and if I'm on the board, I can't get paid for any of the dev work, even if I offer discounted rates.

[22:13:58]

xris:

but that sort of depends on there being someone worthy to take my place.

[22:13:59]

jblack:

xris: Are there any problems seen yet on the bad-people (commercial products that shouldn't be using the data) front?

[22:14:16]

Piehole:

yeah...

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xris:

jblack: not that we've seen so far. just a lot of people being confused and wanting refunds for their free trials because they didn't know it was a for-pay service.

[22:14:32]

jblack:

There was this whole 'we'll police ourselves' thing, but I'm absolutely clueless as to who I should be making miserable.

[22:14:43]

Piehole:

heh

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xris:

we honestly haven't had time to set up much monitoring at the moment. and it's really hard to do so when the downloads are still hosted at zap2it.com

[22:15:03]

Dagmar:

Illiteracy is a terrifying thing

[22:15:28]

ggilbert:

xris: So they signed up for a trial, provided payment information, yet somehow didn't realize it was a non-free service?

[22:15:31]

jblack:

Dag: You're feeding TV junkies. What did you expect?

[22:15:38]

xris:

ggilbert: that, without the payment info.

[22:15:49]

Piehole:

who used to be feed for free...heh

[22:15:50]

Dagmar:

jblack: That if they could figure out how to fill out the forms that they could see $$$ on the screen

[22:15:55]

jblack:

Ok, so they did the trial, then canceled the trial.

[22:15:55]

xris:

sign up, get free trial, and then suddenly fear that we'll somehow charge the credit card that they never gave us.

[22:16:10]

ggilbert:

People scare me

[22:16:20]

Piehole:

that just sucks grrrr.

[22:16:23]

jblack:

Well, hold on... I can see where that belief is rational.

[22:16:51]

jblack:

Not that you'd charge, but that you'd bill.

[22:17:00]

Kazan:

people are stupid

[22:17:14]

xris:

jblack: we can't bill people.. it's a pay-up-front service.

[22:17:14]

Kazan:

though jblack has a point

[22:17:26]

Kazan:

so the cable industry claims too

[22:17:39]

Kazan:

but them, and others, are the reason people would be suspicious

[22:17:43]

xris:

but there haven't really been that many confused people... it's just occasionally funny to get one of those emails.

[22:17:59]

Piehole:

xris: i know that this is a myth user sup channel, but as a gb-pvr user, will it be an easy process to move over after the account is set up?

[22:18:03]

Dagmar:

There'll probably be at least one ISP with just one customer doing a free trial every six days or so

[22:18:09]

xris:

I'm more concerned about people who provided fake email addresses (which they can't do anymore)

[22:18:14]

Dagmar:

...a different email address each time of course

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Kazan:

how are these people using one of the approved apps, and are yet that stupid

[22:18:29]

Dagmar:

Kazan: Many of them are probably liars

[22:18:30]

Kazan:

anyone who provided a fake email address has their account revoked

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jblack:

xris: Sure, there's good reasons why the belief is wrong. It's not unjustified, though. It's possible to get stuck paying for things in the US without realizing they weren't free.. Sure, you're not actually legally liable without a contract, but your credit report is a mess while you're suing them in small claims court — in their jurisdiction — to get it removed.

[22:18:41]

Kazan:

and if they paid........ tough titties

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xris:

Piehole: as far as I've heard, you just change the settings... there's some chatter about missing DLLs in the SD forums, but that's the only trouble I've heard of.

[22:18:55]

Piehole:

cool thanks..

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xris:

jblack: yeah. but all of that is pretty clear in the subscriber agreement... people just never actually read the documents like that. and our lawyers put in a LOT of work to make ours human-readable

[22:19:46]

jblack:

You've seen how infomercials screw people over.

[22:19:58]

jblack:

xris: Again, you're serving the TV culture. :|

[22:20:10]

Kazan:

anyone who buys from infomercials deserves what they get

[22:20:38]

jblack:

Sure.. And once they've gotten what they deserve, they get scared about who's gonna trick them next.

[22:20:40]

Piehole:

well thanks for the chat and info folks...i feel alot better about the change..i'll sign up shortly...thanks for your help with the project xris, and good luck!

[22:20:50]

jblack:

Piehole: Great. Please do. ;D

[22:20:50]

Kazan:

they should learn to read

[22:21:11]

Kazan:

xris doesn't need luck, he has skill :P

[22:21:15]

jblack:

I can't defend stupidity. I can just try and understand it.

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Kazan:

true

[22:21:38]

Kazan:

one should know thy enemy

[22:21:44]

Kazan:

but there are just so many stupid people in the world....

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juski:

do companies deliberately leave the legal stuff in incomprehensible form to make people fall foul ?

[22:21:55]

Kazan:

yes and no

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jblack:

juski: I think so.

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Kazan:

i think that is just a bonus of the fact that lawyers have their own language

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juski:

aha! there's my camera. under a pile of old dilbert calendar sheets!

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Kazan:

most EULAs are just "BIG SCARY LETTERS" because they're not legally enforceable

[22:22:41]

Kazan:

(yay Phil 343: Philosophy of Tech)

[22:22:55]

jblack:

If you throw up enough crap, then people are more likely to miss the important things.. like "you agree to mediate with a company that we hired to mediate for us"

[22:23:20]

Kazan:

most are dubiously legal, many are outright unenforceable (as in illegal)

[22:23:38]

Kazan:

jblack: AT&T's mediation clause was ruled illegal

[22:23:38]

jblack:

kazan: Huh? Really? I thought shrinkwrap licenses had strong precident in court?

[22:23:55]

Kazan:

jblack: in their entirety yes

[22:23:59]

Kazan:

individual clauses no

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jblack:

Oh, unconsionable clauses. Sure, those sorts of thigns get thrown out all the time.

[22:24:13]

Kazan:

shrinkwrap licenses work on a principle of "reasonability"

[22:24:16]

Kazan:

bingo

[22:24:31]

Kazan:

most clauses that get squabbled over end up being unconscionable

[22:24:39]

Wylie:

i have been out of town for a couple of weeks and upgraded to the latest svn today on a number of my systems. on my family room system, a plasma TV with an X300 ATI card, I am now seeing a strobing effect when watching livetv or recordings. I haven't had a chance to review the latest bug reports... is anyone else experiencing the same? [I won't have time to look into it until tonight]

[22:24:44]

jarle:

Anybody have audio/video over hdmi working?

[22:24:45]

jblack:

The AT&T one is promising (do you read consumerist too?), but I don't think it get us all the way to where we need to be.

[22:24:45]

Kazan:

and those that are squabbled over that aren't generally are impractical to enforce

[22:24:56]

Kazan:

jarle: i do 720p DVI to HDMI

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ARfdee:

man, the ivtv module is still messed up

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jblack:

I think legal remedy needs to be made an inalienable right, imho

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Kazan:

ARfdee: what's wrong with it?

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Kazan:

Wylie: don't x-post

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jarle:

Kazan: but you do not include audio in the hdmi then?

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ARfdee:

ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 0

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Kazan:

i don't

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Kazan:

i don't export audio to my TV at all

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Kazan:

i push it to my 4.1 system

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Kazan:

which i need to replace soon because it crackles when i adjust the volume

[22:26:47]

Kazan:

i believe ATI HD 2xxx series cards can do HDMI w/ audio data

[22:26:49]

sphery:

Kazan: I'm guessing Wylie posted, realized he was on the wrong channel, then posted here.

[22:27:18]

Kazan:

the first linux driver to support them comes out later this month (8.41)

[22:27:37]

sphery:

Wylie: All I can say is you picked an interesting time to upgrade blindly. Big change went in today--mythtv-vid was merged to trunk.

[22:27:54]

Kazan:

wasn't that yesterday sphery?

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Wylie:

Kazan: I opened both channels and meant to post to -users, but posted to dev accidentally. I'm well versed on the etiquette here

[22:28:30]

Kazan:

gotcha

[22:28:37]

Kazan:

i didn't notice the timestamp difference

[22:28:38]

Kazan:

AMD has built-in a HDMI interface with 5.1 audio playback support. The "Rage Theater" chip used on the Radeon X1000 series was replaced with the digital "Rage Theater 200" chip, providing VIVO capabilities. Among other details, the Radeon HD 2000 series graphics cards features dual-link DVI output with HDCP, and provides a specially designed DVI-to-HDMI dongle for HDMI output that carries both audio and video.

[22:28:45]

jarle:

Kazan: I'm sure my 7300 card support audio over hdmi, but I have no idea if I need to do any software hacking to get it working or not...

[22:28:57]

Kazan:

are you?

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Kazan:

AFAIK the R600 boards are the first video cards to support audio over HDMI

[22:29:30]

** Kazan checks the 7xxx series nvidia boards wiki page **

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jarle:

Kazan: my card has a digital audio input...

[22:29:59]

Kazan:

nothing on the wiki page

[22:30:03]

Kazan:

*input*

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Kazan:

HDMI capture?

[22:30:30]

sphery:

Kazan: You're right, yesterday--it's been a long couple of days :). But still, major change right before upgrade and without reviewing commits/dev list is a challenge.

[22:30:49]

jarle:

Kazan: but this is MSI 7300 GS..

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Kazan:

doesn't matter

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sphery:

Especially since mythtv-vid requires significantly more (and different) setup for playback stuff.

[22:31:12]

Kazan:

unless MSI did some massive alterations

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Kazan:

to the best of my knowledge the only video cards to support audio outbound on HDMI are Radeon R600-based boards, using their special DVI dongle

[22:31:39]

MrGandalf:

anyone having issue with MythGame bombing on the games menu?

[22:32:07]

** Kazan looks up your specific board **

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sphery:

Kazan: Any idea when sound cards/video cards (for passthrough, I guess?) will support HDMI's 8-channel uncompressed PCM?

[22:32:10]

tatters:

Will mythtv allow me to share my music collection acrosss a lan if it is running master?

[22:32:24]

fysafysa:

holy crap, IBM KVM cable is $500?

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sphery:

tatters: NFS/CIFS will

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sphery:

mythtv doesn't stream music

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Kazan:

nope it doesn't

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jarle:

Kazan: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp . . . mp;class=vga

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tatters:

hmm I thought it did and only needed frontend to access collection

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xris:

tatters: mythmusic runs on the frontend... but will let you play music on your LAN if you have it on a network share.

[22:33:26]

tatters:

yup will do that

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Kazan:

sphery: the r600s might

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sphery:

xris is much more eloquent than I

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** xris curses fedora 7 and firewire **

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Kazan:

jarle: no audio

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Kazan:

jarle: it doesn't have the circuitry as far as i know.. it has to enumerate a sound device

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sphery:

Kazan: do the R600 cards take audio from the digital out of a sound card or does it "integrate" the sound card

[22:34:41]

sphery:

I haven't even found a sound card that can do 8-channel PCM output

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jarle:

Kazan: "It enables your PC to transmit all HDTV standards that combine HDCP-protected video at resolutions up to 1080p and 8-channel digital audio with 5 Gbps of bandwidth provided."

[22:34:58]

Kazan:

jarle: then it's not a reference design

[22:35:16]

Kazan:

because the geforce 7000 series doesn't contain the circuitry to do that.. they added something

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jblack:

What is the relationship between myth and cablecards?

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Dagmar:

A sordid tale for the specialised reader

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** Kazan tries to find a high-res image of the card **

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Kazan:

jblack: CableCard as in the CAM device?

[22:36:12]

jblack:

That bad?

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Kazan:

CableCard=fascist

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Kazan:

CableCard=designed to side-step their requirement to support PCs

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jblack:

Yeah. Evil, fascist, cablecards.

[22:36:45]

jarle:

Kazan: Could be, the docs also describes how to connect spdif from the mainboard to the gfx-card..

[22:37:00]

Kazan:

aah

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Dagmar:

Hmm... is that why there's cablecard readers for the PC then?

[22:37:23]

Kazan:

they are just convering the spdif output from your audio card

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jblack:

Whether they can be used at all with myth, whether or not the restrictions are enforceable with myth

[22:37:33]

Kazan:

Dagmar: link

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jarle:

Kazan: I got the card suggested from someone in this channel, and I think he had both audio/video working...

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Kazan:

jarle: if it has a spdif connection then it does, they just added circuitry above and beyond the 7000 series reference designs

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jblack:

I like the HD-5500, because it's an hdtv card that comes with it's own audio device. ;D

[22:38:33]

Dagmar:

The magic of cablecard is that the card is doing the decrypting

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Kazan:

aye

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Kazan:

they still have to certify your device for usage

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jblack:

So, where does myth fit into that?

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Dagmar:

If you don't have a sub, you can't get it to decrypt for you, period

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jblack:

I don't imagine they'd certify myth

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Kazan:

i have yet to see ANY pc cablecard devices

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Kazan:

if you don't have an approved device to plug it into you cant decrypt either

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Dagmar:

Kazan: Not rolled out anywhere in the US that I'm aware of at the moment, so not exactly a market for them

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jblack:

The very few that I've heard of only come in preassembled machines.

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** jarle is just wondering if the nvidia driver needs to be configured to support audio over hdmi, or if this shoudl work out of the box as long as the spdif connection is in place.. **

[22:40:14]

juski:

jarle: should work so long as spdif is in place – assuming alsa is configured properly

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Kazan:

um.. they better be rolled out

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juski:

Aval0n_ knows ;)

[22:40:36]

Kazan:

IIRC the deadline for cablecard rollout was like july

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Kazan:

and many tvs support them

[22:41:02]

Kazan:

plus tivo series 3 hd has dual cablecard slots and people are using them

[22:41:20]

jarle:

juski: Guess I should verify that I get analog audio working first to see that the soundcard is actually working...

[22:41:35]

ServerSage:

Kazan: Doesn't mean PC hardware has to support them.

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Kazan:

actually the problem is the other way around

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Kazan:

i've actually read up on this issue

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Kazan:

the CableCard 1.0 specification requires that the device the cablecard is plugged into be a trusted device – ie on the list of approved devices

[22:43:17]

Kazan:

nobody is making consumer CableCard devices for PCs for this reason

[22:43:28]

Kazan:

because no consumer PC will get on the approved devices list

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jblack:

There are a couple preassembled pcs out there with cablecards.

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ServerSage:

Kazan: It'll happen eventually. MS has an interest in it happening with Media Center, same with Apple, though Apple will likely make a closed device.

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jblack:

though what software they come with, I have no idea

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BULLE:

ServerSage: still, if apple offers a closed device, it will just make ms push harder for commodity pc hardware to have that capability aswell

[22:45:23]

ServerSage:

BULLE: True.

[22:45:24]

BULLE:

jblack: windows mce / vista mce

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Kazan:

though it appears the computer industry has filed a proposal with the FCC nullifying this issue for cablecard version 2

[22:45:55]

ServerSage:

jblack: Even if you pull MCE off, there probably aren't drivers in the kernel for them. :( Makes me sad.

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jblack:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/06/atis-ocur- . . . r-vista-pcs/

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Kazan:

vaporware

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ServerSage:

Ack. ATI.

[22:48:08]

Kazan:

you know it's bad when hardware is vaporware

[22:48:53]

jblack:

Well, hold on... AMD is getting ATI to open up on drivers.. video drivers, sure...

[22:48:58]

ServerSage:

Kazan: You need a hug. You are a very half-empty kind of fella. Hehe.

[22:49:14]

jblack:

Look. I know it's a Big Disaster.

[22:49:15]

Kazan:

no

[22:49:20]

Kazan:

i've just been paying attention

[22:49:28]

Kazan:

the ATI OCUR never became available

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jblack:

I mean the whole cablecard thing is a disaster

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ServerSage:

jblack: God would it be nice to see open drivers for ATI.

[22:50:34]

ServerSage:

jblack: Or rather, GOOD open drivers...

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jblack:

Yeah, got announced on /. yesteday. They're going to open up specs for 2d first, then 3d.

[22:51:03]

jblack:

work with the community, etc etc

[22:51:21]

ServerSage:

jblack: Interesting. Not that I trust /. :/

[22:51:56]

ggilbert:

The article they linked to looked more like speculation on the part of phoronix.com

[22:52:20]

Yahooadam:

juski still on ?

[22:52:30]

ServerSage:

Yahooadam: We sold him on ebay.

[22:53:03]

laga:

ServerSage: how much did you have to offer for someone to take him?

[22:53:12]

Kazan:

looks like the "Digital Living Network Alliance" is pushing for more consumer friendly cablecard 2.0

[22:53:13]

** ggilbert retracts the previous statement, I'm behind the times **

[22:53:17]

ServerSage:

laga: More than I care to admit.

[22:53:22]

laga:

ServerSage: heh

[22:53:55]

jblack:

server: It's been in other places as well

[22:53:55]

Kazan:

ServerSage: AMD is supposedly going to release the radeon specifications, so people can write their own

[22:54:01]

Kazan:

and it got on slashdot this morning

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jblack:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&am . . . =Search+News

[22:54:19]

ServerSage:

Kazan: Saweet.

[22:54:21]

Yahooadam:

yes we know, its been talked about here all day :p

[22:54:34]

Jakal:

ok ive got a problem. i had mythtv up and mostly working. but not ive got a problem. i cant watch tv on it anymore. it says "mythtv us already using all available inputs... etc" but i have no recordings going on. and it says tuner 1 is unavailable.

[22:54:39]

ServerSage:

Yahooadam: Well, some of us can't just sit here all day. Hehe.

[22:54:44]

Jakal:

anyone knows whats thats about?

[22:55:03]

jblack:

Ars Technica, Dr Dobbs

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Yahooadam:

lol

[22:55:26]

Yahooadam:

"The move brings some welcome diversity to the Linux graphic-card and gaming market, where previously NVidia offered the leading graphics acceleration hardware and drivers."

[22:55:37]

Yahooadam:

no nvidia didnt offer leading hardware and drivers

[22:55:42]

Yahooadam:

they are just slightly less worse

[22:56:01]

Kazan:

the 8.41 fglrx driver will increase performance noticably

[22:56:04]

jblack:

jakal: I imagine that you've somehow convinced the backend that a frontend is watching something that isn't really there.

[22:56:06]

ServerSage:

Yahooadam: Slightly less worse? I think you mean "Way less worse, but still bad".

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ServerSage:

Jakal: Does your logs say anything more?

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Jakal:

where does it keep the logs?

[22:56:42]

jblack:

Like say, started watching TV with the frontend, shut down the power.

[22:57:06]

Jakal:

the frontend is on the same pc as the backend if that makes a difference

[22:57:27]

Jakal:

oh wait... a reboot seems to have fixed it.

[22:57:28]

Kazan:

Dagmar: the "Integration Ban" went into effect July 1, 2007

[22:57:29]

jblack:

Usually, but not always.

[22:57:39]

Kazan:

it requires that cablecompanies MUST use cablecards, even for their own STBs

[22:57:56]

Yahooadam:

ServerSage – yeah maybe, althought their both equally aweful at multi screen :p

[22:57:59]

jblack:

Jakal: Yup. You tricked it into think you were watching when you weren't. I imagine you changed a setting for frotend identification

[22:58:13]

Kazan:

(they're not required to scrap previous boxes, just effects new ones)

[22:58:19]

Jakal:

ok now i gotta get the tv listigs working....

[22:58:51]

jblack:

jakal: Schedulesdirect.org. It'll cost you $15 for three months of service. It should be cheaper in the future

[22:59:01]

Yahooadam:

Jakal – logs are usually in /var/log

[22:59:10]

ServerSage:

Yahooadam: *shrug* I run twinview on my dual LCDs without issue on my NVidia card. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending or advocating NVidia or ATI either way. I hate closed drivers. But, in my experience, NVidia is heads and shoulders above ATI in Linux.

[22:59:25]

Yahooadam:

not that thats saying much :p

[22:59:30]

ServerSage:

Hehe.

[22:59:31]

jblack:

server: Huh. I think exactly the opposite.

[22:59:34]

Jakal:

yea i took care of that. but when i do mythfilldatabase it says its completed. but then nothing shows up in the istigs

[22:59:42]

Yahooadam:

i managed to get a X1900XT and 8800GTX working in linux ok

[22:59:54]

Yahooadam:

the 8800GTX was much easier to get going though

[23:00:08]

Yahooadam:

however, IMO, their both very poor

[23:00:14]

ServerSage:

Hehe.

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ServerSage:

6 of one, half dozen of the other I guess.

[23:00:37]

jblack:

I think anyone that uses the proprietary nvidia driver on a machine that they have personal information on should have their head examined.

[23:00:43]

Yahooadam:

one day, we will be able to use linux as easily as winblows

[23:00:50]

Yahooadam:

(and hopefully other operating systems too)

[23:01:01]

Yahooadam:

./shrug

[23:01:03]

Kazan:

getting my X1900XT working in linux was simple

[23:01:03]

jblack:

yahoo: My 13 year old thinks linux is easier than windows.

[23:01:09]

Yahooadam:

tell it to all the windows users jblack

[23:01:10]

Kazan:

enable livna and type a yum command :D

[23:01:51]

ServerSage:

jblack: Yes, but I'm guessing his father raised him on IRC and Linux, like any good father should. hehe.

[23:02:06]

jblack:

True.

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ServerSage:

Kazan: yum? Yuck. Hehe.

[23:02:17]

Yahooadam:

ive been using windows since i was like 4

[23:02:26]

Yahooadam:

and using linux a bit for 2 years

[23:02:27]

jblack:

Synaptic is easy. Installing software on windows scares the living shit out of her.

[23:02:30]

Yahooadam:

quite a bit more in the last year

[23:02:31]

jblack:

(as it should!)

[23:02:51]

Yahooadam:

i think they both have their ups and downs

[23:02:53]

ServerSage:

jblack: Aaah, my apologies. Assume "him". :) I should be smacked.

[23:03:04]

Yahooadam:

in general windows is better because thats what everyone supports and such

[23:03:06]

jblack:

nah.

[23:03:17]

Yahooadam:

(better as in usability)

[23:03:27]

ServerSage:

Yahooadam: Indeed. I have had linux on the desktop for about 10 years, and windows on the laptop for God knows how long. I'll let you guess which I use more...

[23:03:39]

Yahooadam:

laptop ? :p

[23:03:42]

jblack:

It was a fair assumption. There are more 13 year old boys than there are 13 year old girls.

[23:03:50]

ServerSage:

Yahooadam: Not sure my laptop has been on at all this week. ;)

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Yahooadam:

i wanted to install linux on my (mums) laptop

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Yahooadam:

but she MIGHT need it for work one of these days

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ServerSage:

jblack: That assumption (and yes, I'm guilty) might be why that is true.

[23:04:48]

Yahooadam:

i cant really put linux on my desktop because thats for gaming :(

[23:04:49]

ServerSage:

This is an argument for the ages. Linux, Windows, use what works for you.

[23:04:57]

jblack:

nah. Your assumption isn't why there are more boys than girls. It has more to do with evolution and genetics. Males die sooner, so more are born.

[23:05:11]

ServerSage:

jblack: Aah, thought you meant in computers, not in general.

[23:05:20]

jblack:

I mean alive at all. ;)

[23:05:44]

ServerSage:

How do I correlate a show/episode with a file name?

[23:05:46]

** Kazan wonders at the stupdity of the cable company **

[23:05:58]

Yahooadam:

when they start writing games for linux, ill probably switch quite rapidly :p

[23:06:04]

** ServerSage has been wondering of that stupidity for....20 years? **

[23:06:07]

Yahooadam:

maybe use KVM to emulate winblows

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ggilbert:

Yahooadam: Start? :p

[23:07:07]

Yahooadam:

....

[23:07:21]

Yahooadam:

theres only 1 game ive played that supported linux out the box (savage)

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Jakal:

ok ive got everything working except one thing. the tv out on my nvidia card. ive installed the nvidia drivers. but i have no idea where to go from there. anyone know of a good howto for tv out?

[23:07:32]

Yahooadam:

UT2k3 aswell maybe ...

[23:07:42]

Yahooadam:

or was that a patch later ?

[23:07:46]

ServerSage:

Jakal: The wiki would be a good start.

[23:08:02]

ggilbert:

UT2k3? It was on the disk I believe

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Jakal:

i searched the wiki. cant really find anything on tv out. im sure its there. but i cant find it

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Yahooadam:

If EA would start writing games for linux, wed be set :)

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Kazan:

to get HDTV premium channels from them i have to get A) digital Cable ($20/month more), B) an HD STB ($8 more/month), C) pay $10/month more for the channels

[23:09:10]

Kazan:

9 of those HD channels come across in unencrypted QAM

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ServerSage:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidiaProprietaryDriver

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ServerSage:

Jakal: Look on that page for TVOutFormat

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Jakal:

thanks

[23:09:48]

ServerSage:

Jakal: No problemo.

[23:10:03]

Kazan:

they only have like... 15 HDTV channels in the basic HDTV pack

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jblack:

So, going back to my original question, does it look like myth is screwed in the US for cable once everything becomes all HDTV all the time?

[23:10:49]

Yahooadam:

no

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AndyCap:

jblack: the problem is encryption, not hdtv

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Yahooadam:

because by then there will be TV tuners for HDTV

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Wylie:

The answer to my earlier question (the strobing effect with latest SVN).... the problem was de-interlacing, which is now default. Switching this back to progressive resolved the problem.

[23:11:08]

Yahooadam:

windows media center has the same problems so ...

[23:11:25]

Kazan:

we're screwed unless cablecard becomes unfsck()ed

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jblack:

I have HDTV tuners. My reading indicates that cable companies are shifting to encryping more of their channels.

[23:11:46]

Kazan:

yup

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jblack:

Assuming a full progression, that every channel is eventually encrypted...

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Yahooadam:

their gonna have to do it for windows so ....

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Kazan:

well some channels it's illegal for them to encrypt (locals)

[23:12:17]

Yahooadam:

or somone will get a box to decrypt all the channels or somthing :p

[23:12:17]

jblack:

I already get those OTA. ;D

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Kazan:

cablecard host devices have to be approve Yahooadam

[23:12:30]

Kazan:

my OTA signal quality sucked arse

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Kazan:

QAM256 is much better.. plus i actually get more channels

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Kazan:

and my cable is "free" with my apartment

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Yahooadam:

time to play a game methinks :p

[23:13:15]

jblack:

ahh. I live in a hose, so no free cable for me.

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Yahooadam:

a hose ey ? cramped much ?

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jblack:

I'm worried, though, that I'll be stuck with myth for OTA only

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jblack:

house.

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Yahooadam:

somone will get round it ...

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Yahooadam:

legally or not.

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Kazan:

Yahooadam: i suppose the host device could fake being something else, like tell the cable card it's a tivo series 3.... but that may require circuitry alteration

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jblack:

Perhaps a manufacturer will also make a mistake that allows for modchips.

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Kazan:

firmware hacks :D

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Flamekebab:

I'm trying to figure out why the dvb-t adapters in my box are claiming to be busy when I try and scan – http://pastebin.com/d7d2dc44c

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jblack:

Ahh, here we go. The Dell XPS410 has cablecard

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Flamekebab:

I think I've done everything required to get the dvb-t card installed (a Nova-T 500)

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Flamekebab:

In accordance with the wiki page on mythtv.org

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Flamekebab:

I'm trying to figure out why the dvb-t adapters in my box are claiming to be busy when I try and scan – http://pastebin.com/d7d2dc44c

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Flamekebab:

In accordance with the wiki page on mythtv.org

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edman007:

anyone else have problems with a wide screen monitor (i'm using compiz if that matters)? the 4:3 video plays at full screen (which is something like 16:9)

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Beirdo:

repeating the same thing 10 min later won't likely get the response you were looking for, Flamekebab

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Flamekebab:

Beirdo, thanks for that

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

it's likely that people on right now don't know the answer

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edman007:

Flamekebab, lsof ans find out whats using it

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Flamekebab:

I've spent the last nine hours trying to fix up this machine, so I'm getting a little short tempered by this stage

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edman007:

s/ans/and/

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Beirdo:

sounds like maybe time for a break? :)

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Flamekebab:

Beirdo, true, but I feel I'm finally making some progress

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Flamekebab:

I've got a whole load of niggles at the moment

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Flamekebab:

things like my machine deciding that the /home/mythtv folder isn't writeable

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Beirdo:

but yeah, lsof | grep /dev/blah/blah (substitute your dvb-t's device) might help ya

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iamben:

Flamekebab: did you use fuser/lsof to make sure no procs are using that device?

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H00chster:

So stupid question probably, but has the vid branch made it into trunk now or is it still seperate? I noticed lots of changes in trunk, but yet the vid branch is still downloadable?

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defaultro:

hey folks, is vcd movie always in track 2?

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Flamekebab:

iamben and edman007, I'm having a butcher's now

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Flamekebab:

thanks for the tip

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iamben:

do people still use VCDs?

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Flamekebab:

Well I did the lsof thing and it returned nothing.. so I tried the command I'd used previously..

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Flamekebab:

and it worked

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** Flamekebab grins **

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defaultro:

iamben, i just have old vcd that i want to see :)

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Beirdo:

nice, Flamekebab :)

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Flamekebab:

so Beirdo.. :P

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Flamekebab:

hehehe

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Flamekebab:

but the command is throwing out "tuning failed!!!"

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Flamekebab:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

iamben: hehe not many. I'v e still got a bunch here I'd like to view again

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** GreyFoxx wonders what it would take to get supprt into myth **

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Gurft:

Hola :) I've been having a scheduling issue, opened a ticket with SD, they said they got it fixed, but recommended I clear my mythtv schedule db and then redownload my listings

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Gurft:

doesn't mythfilldatabase replace all data at every run thouhg?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

mfdb only downloads tomorrow + 13 days from now

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GreyFoxx:

not all 13 days of data each time

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GreyFoxx:

It only downloads "all" of it the first time or if you explicitly tell it to refresh every days data

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Gurft:

ahh, how do I explicitly tell it?

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GreyFoxx:

there is a --refresh-all flag I believe

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ServerSage:

So, I have some legacy .nuv files. Is mencoder still the best way to conver them to something useful?

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Gurft:

NICE

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Gurft:

found it

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Gurft:

thanks GF

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Flamekebab:

it seems odd that the card wouldn't find anything

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Jakal:

ok now ive got a whole new problem. i was settig up my tv out. so i made changes to the xorg.conf. but the display on the tv was black and white. so i went back in to change the tv out to SviDEO and onw when i boot up i get this error "INIT: "c7" respawning too fast"disabled for 5 minutes" and it just sits there and every 5 miutes it says it again

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Jakal:

dont tell me i have to reinstall and start over...

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ServerSage:

Jakal: You should be able to log into console.

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ServerSage:

Jakal: You simply have an error in your xorg.conf file that is preventing X from starting.

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jblack:

crap. Time to pull out the plastic sheeting, duct tape and canned peaches again. :|

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ServerSage:

jblack: Is it that time of the year already?

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Jakal:

i can get anywhere near the console. it just stays on the one init line

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ServerSage:

Jakal: ssh into it.

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juski:

Flamekebab: the backend isn't running is it?

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Gurft:

jblack, are you feeding an infant?

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jblack:

Yeah. Check the news.

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jblack:

Gurft: Nah. Just an off topic american thing.

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Gurft:

This is what happens when the news isn't part of my scheduled recordings

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Gurft:

Did we just change colors again?

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Gurft:

Is it defcon 12?

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ServerSage:

Jakal: What distro is this on? You could reboot into single user mode and modify your init to not start xdm on boot so that you would have a chance to log in at console.

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juski:

news. pleh! same stories from 6am to 6pm

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Flamekebab:

juski, not right now, no

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Jakal:

its knoppmyth

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Flamekebab:

I'm trying to figure out why I can't pickup any channels

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juski:

Flamekebab: nice vid you posted of me looking a right berk btw

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Flamekebab:

I'm in central edinburgh

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Flamekebab:

juski, where, hehe?

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juski:

Flamekebab: tried the dvb-utils scan util already?

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juski:

Flamekebab: at LRL

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ServerSage:

jblack: And to which story are you referring?

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Flamekebab:

I meant which vid, hehe

[23:57:40]

juski:

the mythtv vid

[23:57:50]

Flamekebab:

ah

[23:57:58]

Flamekebab:

hehe

[23:57:59]

juski:

not that I've watched all of it. I took a peek & went "yeah, that's me"

[23:58:09]

Flamekebab:

I don't think I've watched it all either

[23:58:15]

juski:

immortalised on teh intrewebbys

[23:58:18]

juski:

again

[23:58:18]

Flamekebab:

hehe

[23:58:30]

Flamekebab:

had me worried for a mo there!

[23:58:36]

juski:

hahaha

[23:58:47]

juski:

so does the dvb-utils' 'scan' program work?

[23:58:58]

Flamekebab:

it does, but finds nothing

[23:59:06]

juski:

if not you might wanna borrow a STB & see what that can get

[23:59:14]

Flamekebab:

STB?

[23:59:18]

juski:

set top box

[23:59:21]

Flamekebab:

ah

[23:59:42]

Flamekebab:

I'll see about nabbing my mate's one tomorrow

[23:59:51]

Flamekebab:

the signal in this flat is excellent compared to his flat

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