Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, September 3rd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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juski:

mythtv could say a planned feature would be to automagically configure itself, no matter what hardware, etc..

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directhex:

Stinky, you're a yank. how does keeping 12m people in poverty, and propping up a tired old regime, help you? 'cos it ain't cheap for US taxpayers to keep the embargo running

[00:01:25]

juski:

because Cuba chucked out the US puppet government & the USA ain't gonna stand for that kind of nonsense no matter what? ;)

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directhex:

juski, you don't get arrested and fined a 6 figure sum for visiting 'nam. or laos. or afghanistan!

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|Torg|:

Cuba is our "we are going to make an example of you no matter what" country

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jblack:

It is a bit of a grudge... punishing an entire country because the leader didn't have the temerity to die when the US tried to kill them

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directhex:

|Torg|, there's some REAL mature politics

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RyeBrye:

adult politics?

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Stinky:

and cuba has what super powers? and has been run by the likes or whom? come on, when cuba has some balls we all got problems. not worth talking about

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directhex:

|Torg|, any idea how much anti-cuba legislation is actually written by a rather rich family based in puerto rico?

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|Torg|:

no from Florida

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juski:

anyway, what happened to the tsunami of disgruntled users there was gonna be this weekend? ;)

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RyeBrye:

They will be here in 12 or 13 days

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RyeBrye:

:)

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directhex:

|Torg|, nah. the bacardi family are the ones with money, and they got their laws

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|Torg|:

hell for that matter I have a nighber that can not legitmatly get his wife to come here (she is form teh dominican repulbic), so I was goig to get my boat out in the gulf and give here my liferaft and teach her to say "es libres" in a cuban accent :P

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juski:

anyway.. bedtime here. I'll see if #mythtv-users is back in the morning :P

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directhex:

|Torg|, land of the free, home of the brave!

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|Torg|:

btw juski zap2it stil works so their still clueless

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|Torg|:

well, did work, about 6 hours ago when I stubled across it

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Mythluvr:

Evening/Morning everyone

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directhex:

i'd say you didn't have to be a genius to see the embargo is what keeps castro and communism in place, but hey, it's not as if those in charge of .us foreign policy can even wipe their own asses, leta lone work out what a "country" is

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Mythluvr:

Has anyone here installed the multirec version of mythtv?

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RyeBrye:

multirec?

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RyeBrye:

huh? What is it spposed to do?

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directhex:

RyeBrye, record multiple channels from the same mux on dvb

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|Torg|:

yes the ability to record more then one PID on a stream at once

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RyeBrye:

Oh, gotcha

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** RyeBrye has no dvb **

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|Torg|:

and no Mythluvr

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Mythluvr:

if your using dvb it allows recording of more then one channel on the same mux

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Stinky:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

Mythluvr: I've been happily using it since last Sunday

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Stinky:

meanwhile

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|Torg|:

good for QAM users mostly

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Mythluvr:

GF

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Stinky:

anyone using a 102g?

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RyeBrye:

just dvb-c? DVB-S would be sweet :)

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|Torg|:

no not JUST dvb-c there just the ones who have the most pids per channel

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Mythluvr:

did you have to do anything specific to config to rec more then one channel off a mux?

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GreyFoxx:

Mythluvr: Nope, not a thing

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Mythluvr:

I see the setting for 2 recors in mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

I just set the value to tell it how many to record by max per multiplex

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Mythluvr:

and I have 2 dvb devices in the server

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GreyFoxx:

though I altered the source to increase the max from 5 to 8

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Mythluvr:

wow

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Mythluvr:

that's pretty high b/width

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RyeBrye:

In the US is myth multirec useful?

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RyeBrye:

DVB is mostly overseas, isn't it?

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Mythluvr:

if you have dvb

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|Torg|:

yes, like I said on dvb-c

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Mythluvr:

of dvb-s

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Mythluvr:

or dvb-s

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|Torg|:

dvb-s will get you about 6 or 7 channels per transponder so maybe

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RyeBrye:

Do people other than satelitte pirates use dvb-s?

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GreyFoxx:

Mythluvr: I'm using mine to record the QAM signal from my cable co. my 8 top channels are all on one multiplex so I can get them all with the one card

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Mythluvr:

yep

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|Torg|:

but there arnt any sats I know with bunchs of channels off unencrypted transponders

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Mythluvr:

OK

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RyeBrye:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2007-09–02 06:52 and ended on 2007-09–02 06:53. Successful. <-- Still on on datadirect, haven't bothered switching to my SchedulesDirect account yet

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|Torg|:

even if you could devrypt them the event of geting two channels on two pids on the same transponder would be pretty low

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Mythluvr:

so in backend status in mythweb how many encoders are you showing?

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BULLE:

RyeBrye: dvb is the biggest standard, on a global scale

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|Torg|:

ATSC is mostly HD and SD versions with maybe some camarea, maybe in the future it would be usefull

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GreyFoxx:

Mythluvr: lemme check

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RyeBrye:

GreyFoxx – what input source do you have the cable goint into?

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Mythluvr:

tnks

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** RyeBrye wonders if his local digital cable would have multiplexed QAM on DVB... **

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GreyFoxx:

Mythluvr: 12. 8 QAM(the one dvb card) 3 pvr cards and 1 firewire

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|Torg|:

hmm QAM is multiplexed by definition

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GreyFoxx:

RyeBrye: What do you mean what inputsource ?

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Mythluvr:

OK tnks

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BULLE:

RyeBrye: most boxes available here has some info options in the menues, that lists the pids in the current transport stream etc

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RyeBrye:

are you using a capture card, for firewire?

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tcpsyn:

15 minutes.. and work is over for the week

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Mythluvr:

in that case my conig didn't take properly

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tcpsyn:

ohhhh yes.

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RyeBrye:

er I meant "or firewire"

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Mythluvr:

I have two dvb devices plugged in

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janneg:

RyeBrye: ATSC and QAM cards are also dvb (subsystem) cards. and DVB-S is widely deployed in europe

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GreyFoxx:

RyeBrye: All of the above. but a single dvb card accessing 8 channels is one of them

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Mythluvr:

both set up for two channels

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BULLE:

RyeBrye: only place i know of, that seems to have firewire on the stbs, is usa

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BULLE:

and that is a bit sad

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GreyFoxx:

BULLE: And canada

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Mythluvr:

but backend status only shows encoder 1 and 3

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tcpsyn:

canada has TV now?

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: well, thats usa =D

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GreyFoxx:

and happily my cableco turns it on for every single channel you subscribe too

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GreyFoxx:

BULLE: Thankfully now :)

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: there is where the sane americans have moved =D

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|Torg|:

North America uses dvb-c, dvb-s and atsc. Europe used dvb-s, dvb-s2, dvc-c and dvb-t

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GreyFoxx:

BULLE: true enough :)

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|Torg|:

atsc adn dvb-t act sorta the same, but its a totaly differnt system

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|Torg|:

dvb-s2 are faster sats, and mostly what we have in NA are encyutped slower stuff

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RyeBrye:

I'll have to figure out more what kind of signal my cable provider spits out

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|Torg|:

if its digital, its QAM

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janneg:

Mythluvr: it should show num recording many encoders for each card

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BULLE:

RyeBrye: just check the docs for your stb

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RyeBrye:

|Torg| – so if my digital cable co spits out QAM, what would I need to get in order to record multiplex stuff?

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janneg:

|Torg|: QAM and DVB-C is not exactly the same

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RyeBrye:

I don't have digital now, so I odn't have an STB

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|Torg|:

yes janneg I know I was gloosing over some of those points :)

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janneg:

you can't use an european DVB-C card for receiving QAM channels

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Mythluvr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestr . . . ited_Kingdom

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|Torg|:

RyeBrye its posible its also probabble they encrypt most of it

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BULLE:

janneg: but here in europe, atleast my cableco, uses dvb-c and qam

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Mythluvr:

about 20 'real' channels and all fta/ftv

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RyeBrye:

|Torg| – yes, that is possible. I bet all the SDTV channels are in the clear though

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|Torg|:

janneg I belive the differnce is in what veriosn of QAM thy do

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janneg:

BULLE: the modulation is the same but other parameters differ

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Mythluvr:

by 2012 97% of country should egt all the coverage

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|Torg|:

I dont have dvb-c cards, so im not 100% sure

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Mythluvr:

thanks Janneg

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BULLE:

janneg: well, my dvb card supports lots of different QAM settings thats all i know, and diff providers use diff QAM settings

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RyeBrye:

I bet DataDirect wont turn off until at least tuesday – since somebody likely has to go into the office to "turn off the switch" and monday is a holiday in the US

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|Torg|:

Im thiking DD had an "oh shit" moment :)

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janneg:

BULLE: yes. Thy have the same QAM versions in the US but that's not making the signal compatible

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|Torg|:

"Hey Charlie, did you shut down that box. No, was I suposed to?"

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RyeBrye:

Maybe. They might send someone in there to turn it off tomorrow – but my guess is they wont worry about it

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Mythluvr:

guys did you have to scan your channels?

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Tanthrix:

It's not like it matters. They're not pumping cement or something.

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Mythluvr:

if so did you have to scan for each virtual encoder or just once for the device?

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|Torg|:

Mythluver for what, a dvb card?

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Mythluvr:

yep

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janneg:

Mythluvr: try to change the num recordings setting in mythtv-setup again

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Mythluvr:

i will in a while

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|Torg|:

part of the spec is something called teh NIT, it tells the card what PIDS go with what

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janneg:

Mythluvr: you have only to scan once per videosource

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Mythluvr:

i'm recording the baseball at the moment

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Mythluvr:

and don't want to kill the record

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|Torg|:

so its in the stream what everything is, well in theory. I hear some US cable coamnies tootaly screw that up, most likly on purpose

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Mythluvr:

thanks janneg

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|Torg|:

or is tat PMT?

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Mythluvr:

I wonder if what's causing the issue is that I have two dvb-t devices and that's maybe confusing it?

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janneg:

|Torg|: the NIT should hold information for each transport/transponder/frequency/multiplex in the network

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|Torg|:

ok janneg im not sure what each part is called, but when dvbsnoop spits out all those pids, what is it reading?

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janneg:

the PAT list all channels of a given transport and the PMT holds the PIDs of a single channel

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|Torg|:

I know one of them is guide info, adn one is video with anotehr bing its audio, most of mine are one video 2 audio (for SAP)

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|Torg|:

so whatever dvbsnoop is reading to show that, I dunno what its called exactly

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janneg:

and than ATSC and DVB have more tables

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|Torg|:

ATSC had all KINDS of ATSC reserved tables, one is guide data, the others I have no clue

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|Torg|:

anyways the pint it Mythluvr the dvb tools will scan the stream, tell you whats there, and if the data is correct form channels based opon pid pairs

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Mythluvr:

I'm UK so no ATSC

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|Torg|:

many streams have more then one "channel" altho technicaly the channel is what is carriing the stream so what we *call* channels and what *is* a channel are two differnt thing

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Mythluvr:

but I can scan the streams from both devices so no problem there

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|Torg|:

DVB-T works similar

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|Torg|:

its more how DVB works and less how ATSC works

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Mythluvr:

where I have the problem is that I've set up my two physical dvb-t devices to EACH record up to two channels

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Mythluvr:

but I only show two encoders in backend status

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Mythluvr:

however what's interesting is they're numbered 1 & 3

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|Torg|:

that part I dunno, I dont use mutirec

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Mythluvr:

so it may be working

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|Torg|:

I sorta wonder what would happen if you needed to record 3 programs and they were all on differnt channels

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Mythluvr:

I'll know in about an hour when there are two progs on the same mux (different channels) that I want to record at the same time as the baseball

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|Torg|:

try to record 4 programs at once, pairing two on the same channel each

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Mythluvr:

you have to test it with progs on the same mux

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Mythluvr:

there are 6 muxes in the UK

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tcpsyn:

wait, a dvb card can record two channels at once

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tcpsyn:

are you kidding me?

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|Torg|:

no

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tcpsyn:

no it can't, or no you're not kidding me

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Mythluvr:

it can record 6 channels at once in theory

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|Torg|:

some dvb cards, not all, get the WHOLE stream

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tcpsyn:

whoah

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|Torg|:

they filter out two pids for you, what you ask for, but its getting the whole thing anyway

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tcpsyn:

nicey

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janneg:

Mythluvr: it looks if it is not set up correctly

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|Torg|:

so you simply give it two more pids and out shoudl come another showing

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|Torg|:

thats basicly how its works

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Mythluvr:

I think your prob right.....but I'm not messing around with it for 5 hours

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Mythluvr:

I'll be back into mythtv-setup

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Mythluvr:

it's just bombed the baseball record

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Mythluvr:

nack in 10 minute

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Yahooadam:

does anyone know if SD plans to support the UK ? :(

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directhex:

Yahooadam, why on earth would it?

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directhex:

Yahooadam, the Uk already has a reasonable EIT service, and detailed gratis info from RT

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Yahooadam:

i guess, i prolly need to play more :p

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Yahooadam:

RT is only giving like 50% of the channels, should check out the EIT though

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directhex:

they give info on 267 channels

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directhex:

and there's always EIT for the extra data

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Yahooadam:

well i havent got data on any of the BBC channels

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Yahooadam:

itv, c4, five, UKTV

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directhex:

then you're doing something wrong

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directhex:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/92.dat – see? bbc1.

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Yahooadam:

ahh

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Yahooadam:

so its my bad :p

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directhex:

what on earth would be the point in RT not offering BBC channels?

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directhex:

considering the beeb *own* RT?

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Yahooadam:

actually i have BBCN2, BBC parliment

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Yahooadam:

i wonder why im not getting BBC1,2, 3, 4

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jblack:

man, who is this 'a company that used Zap2it labs as its television listing source' ?

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|Torg|:

has anyone gotten a EVA8000 to work with mythtv?

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|Torg|:

it claims to be a UPnP AV box

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cout:

why does mythtv go into slow motion sometimes until I pause and then unpause?

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clever_:

"the connection to the master backend server has gone away....

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clever_:

and the frontend seems frozen(error didnt close when i hit enter)

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|Torg|:

clever_ if you lost conectivy to the BE, thats normal (the freezing)

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clever_:

the frontend is on the masterbackend

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clever_:

and the backend is still running...

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|Torg|:

did the CPU get over 100%?

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clever_:

and mirc is still connected to the bakcend

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clever_:

ive been stuck at

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clever_:

'100%' but the cpu graph include iowait

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clever_:

but it always does that when recording

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|Torg|:

its posible that the fe swapped out or was otherwise overrun so it coudlnt connect

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|Torg|:

its psoble the same thing happend to the BE, whenver your cpu goes over 100% you can expect things like that to happen

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clever_:

the backend is the one causing all that cpu usage

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clever_:

46% cpu to the be

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clever_:

13% to php

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clever_:

less to other things

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clever_:

71% used

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|Torg|:

useR?

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clever_:

Cpu(s): 73.1% us, 10.5% sy, 1.1% ni, 2.7% id, 8.2% wa, 0.7% hi, 3.7% si

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|Torg|:

thats not abnormal

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clever_:

Cpu(s): 56.6% us, 5.6% sy, 0.0% ni, 30.8% id, 3.6% wa, 0.2% hi, 3.1% si

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clever_:

better now

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clever_:

but the fe is still frozen

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|Torg|:

once its frozen it will stay that way until you reconnect it

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|Torg|:

it dosnt sit there and poll the BE over and over

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|Torg|:

if that box is using so much cpu to record I would invesitage getting a seperate FE

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clever_:

the error wont even go away when hitting enter

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clever_:

i allready have seperate frontends

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|Torg|:

yes, clever_ that is normal

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clever_:

and i avoid using the fe on the master when its recording

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|Torg|:

you will have to acknoledge that error, then restart the fe

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clever_:

but the master is the only one with tvout atm

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clever_:

thats stable

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|Torg|:

I would look at getting a seperate BE then

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clever_:

tvout on the laptop has too much brightness and is unstable(doesnt allways switch from vga to tv)

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clever_:

the current backend is the only thing with enough cpu power to handle a frame grabber

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clever_:

enless i start taking over the xp box(2.9ghz)

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: I didn't get it to compile from svn trunk yet--problems with fink packages I don't generally use. In order to resolve that, I have to upgrade fink, which requires a new xcode

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tjcarter:

I've been using xcode 2.3 this whole time ;)

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iamben:

i installed mythvideo, i set "directory that holds videos" to /mnt/eps, which contains a bunch of folders full of avi files... should mythvideo pick all those up?

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jams:

should..running videomanger will show you which one's it finds

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iamben:

it seems to find... none

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jpswensen:

I am having a strange problem with the menus on my frontend. I was messing around with the "Appearance" menus before this started happening. It appears as if the screen is redrawing funny, by first redrawing the upper-left triangle of the screen, then the lower right. Has anyone seen something like this before? I did search through the documentation and the mailing list and couldn't find anything similar. Another intere

[02:03:43]

jpswensen:

sting tidbit is that if I go into one of the submenus, it draws both the main menu and the sub menu right on top of each other.

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iamben:

perms are ok,i can play the vids just fine from outside myth

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iamben:

OHH there we go

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jams:

jpswensen- did you by any chance change the "painter" from QT to opengl

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jpswensen:

Yes, I did. Is there any way to change it back? I can't even get back to that menu because of the constant redraw.

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jpswensen:

BTW...are the frontend settings stored in the database also, or just in s config file somewhere?

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jams:

in the db

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jams:

one moment, i'm verifing the command to reset the painter

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jams:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt should work

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jams:

that should allow you to reset the value in the settings screen

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jams:

jpswensen- all the settings are stored in the settings table of mythconverg

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jpswensen:

I'm working on it. I'm using an epia m10000 board. I assume it doesn't having hardware opengl acceleration and that is the reasion for the slow refresh?

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jams:

thats a good bet..or at least the drivers are not setup for it.

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Mythluvr:

OK Guys...I'm back think I've fixed my number of tuners problem......and in doing so have broken my mythweb

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Mythluvr:

the problem with the number of tuners was the protocol

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Inssomniak:

anyone run mythtv-setup over vnc?

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Mythluvr:

yep

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Mythluvr:

works NP

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jams:

iamben- take it you solved the problem?

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Inssomniak:

Mythluvr, I get spammed with : QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current.

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Inssomniak:

works fine locally of course

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Mythluvr:

have you got more then 1 screen on the remote?

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Inssomniak:

it starts, I can see it "prescale theme images" and then just spams

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|Torg|:

does anyone here run storage directories?

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jams:

yep

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Inssomniak:

Mythluvr, nope just one

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jams:

Inssomniak- using the qt or opengl painter?

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Inssomniak:

jams I think Im using the opengl painter

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jams:

whichever your using, try the other one

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Inssomniak:

jams and I think thats my problem, just didnt know mythtv-setup would use it as well

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|Torg|:

jams, if I unraid my 3 500G disks, can I mount them as 3 seperate directories do they have to be the same size?

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Mythluvr:

Torg

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Inssomniak:

does anyone know the database entry to disable the opengl painter? (assume I dont have local access)

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jams:

|Torg|- 3 seperate directories will work

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Mythluvr:

what do you mean ..."do they have to be the same size"?

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: ThemePainter

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jams:

there is no limitation that the drives must be the same size, or even the same filesytem type

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Inssomniak:

Anduin, ok, in what table?

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|Torg|:

ok currently the raid5 set is mounted as /myth holding everything for myth not just the recordings, if I make one /myth with a /mth tv directory and mount the other two as /myth/tv2 and /myth/tv3 will mythbancend know enough to see that /myth/tv is smaller then tv2 and tv3?

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Anduin:

Inssomniak: settings

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Mythluvr:

anyway back to my broken mythweb problem now........

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jams:

|Torg|- this hsould answer your questions http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Storage_Groups

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Mythluvr:

I'm getting a message that says the mythweb protocol is 30 and the backend is 3700

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|Torg|:

duhh, I shoudla lookat at the wiki first :(

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jpswensen:

Jams...that worked great...Thanks for the help. Further investigation shows that opengl+DRM should be possible with my MB, so you also helped me realize that wasn't working.

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|Torg|:

im still wondering if load balance wouldnt be better with 3 like size directories or not, ill go look at the code to see what it uses to load balance I guess

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jams:

jpswensen- good luck

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GreyFoxx:

Mythluvr: Your mythweb is very old. You can;'t use 0.20 pluggins with multitrec trunk

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GreyFoxx:

plus even if oyu have trunk plugins you need to edit the one line in the mythweb source to use protocol # 3700

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Mythluvr:

I'm not

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GreyFoxx:

If you see protocol 30, you are

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GreyFoxx:

cause trunk is at 35

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Mythluvr:

I pulled the plugins from branch at the same time as I pulled multirec

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GreyFoxx:

pull the plugins from trunk

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GreyFoxx:

multirec just updates the "mythtv" portion

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Mythluvr:

so the plugins in trunk are more recent then branch?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Mythluvr:

tnks

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GreyFoxx:

you want mythtv from multirec and themes, mtyhthemes and plugins from trunk

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Mythluvr:

I just spent 2 hours piddling around with this

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|Torg|:

never mismatch mythtv with mythplugins, ALWAYS use the same branch and revision

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tjcarter:

Okay, I conclude that UPnP AV CLIENTS do not actually exist.

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Mythluvr:

there are times.......

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tjcarter:

there's a million servers

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tjcarter:

but clients don't exist.

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tjcarter:

They're a damned lie.

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Mythluvr:

well sorry that's not what I'm now being asked to do torg

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|Torg|:

tjcarter I have 3

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tjcarter:

There are mythical software programs for Windows that do it, but they don't actually exist I'm convinced (and you have to pay for them)

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Mythluvr:

earlier tonight I pulled from branch multirec and it's reporting it's protocol is 3700, at the same time I pulled from branch the plugins and mythweb is borking reporting it's protocol 30

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tjcarter:

There are hardware devices that claim to do it, but I don't intend to believe it until I see them.

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Mythluvr:

both got pulled from branch at the same time

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zigovr:

hi all, which table contains the recording rules ?

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GreyFoxx:

yes, because when daniel et all resync multirec from trunk they only sync the mythtv portion of the tree

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xris:

Mythluvr: multirec is intentionally broken like that by its developer. lots of info in the -dev mailing list (which you should be reading if you're running svn)

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tjcarter:

But no free software client actually seems to exist, and every time I see some claim of a client, I find it's actually just a server for a particular hardware device.

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Mythluvr:

tnks xris

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: which three?

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|Torg|:

tjcarter I have a DSM320 wich works fine expcept its SD and I records HD, a hacked xbox that does the same. An xbox360 which only plays audio files and free software for linux that runs great

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tjcarter:

so ... you have hardware.

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|Torg|:

yes

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Mythluvr:

I posted a question on the wiki tonight regarding the state of multirec and it got pulled in 2 minutes

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GreyFoxx:

the wiki is not for quesitons

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tjcarter:

That still means that UPnP AV software doesn't actually exist.

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: Iuse djmount on my linux boxes

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Mythluvr:

the question was purely whether anything was happening with multirec.

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GreyFoxx:

then play the video in aregular player

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|Torg|:

djmount works fine

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|Torg|:

I havnt tried using nero

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Mythluvr:

if you read the wiki page it looks like the money was collected in April and then everyone fell off the planet

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GreyFoxx:

nero works, mediaplayer works

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|Torg|:

the only thing I have that dosnt really work is the xbox360

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GreyFoxx:

Mythluvr: I don't beleive it was all collected, and anyone monitoring commits would see it's not dead

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zigovr:

hi all, anyone using the network recorder ? I have problem when two recordings are one next to the other on the same channel on a network recorder, the backend hangs most of the time when starting the second recording

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GreyFoxx:

zigovr: I ran into that infact I have aticket open on it

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GreyFoxx:

I commented out 1 line fo code and got around it

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Mythluvr:

GF...I'm not having a pop but if you read the wiki and google around you'd really believe nothing happened since April, that's why I asked the question on status

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GreyFoxx:

I'll see if I can dig up the ticket in a sec

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zigovr:

GreyFoxx: ah I was looking for a ticket , which is it ?

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zigovr:

GreyFoxx: did you post your fix on the ticket ? I'm very interested, I don't know where to start looking for in the code

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GreyFoxx:

zigovr: I beilieve so

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zigovr:

ok thanks

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GreyFoxx:

Not a proper "fix" but it;'s worked for months

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zigovr:

I was wondering if it was possible to force a delay between two recording

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Mythluvr:

Thanks for the help all.....i'll pull the plugins from trunk now and try them

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GreyFoxx:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/3489/iptv-fix.diff

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zigovr:

GreyFoxx: thanks

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|Torg|:

Mythluvr do a svn info on your mythtv directory then doa svn co -r <revision> on the mythplugins

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|Torg|:

they have most certainly changed since you checked out the origial src

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|Torg|:

hell it changes when I check it out just to compile it sometimes

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zigovr:

GreyFoxx: so what consequence does it have to not clear the list of channels, will it have some kind of bad side effects ?

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zigovr:

also, completely unrelated, I have this error on the backend : Compiler did not align stack variables. Libavcodec has been miscompiled

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zigovr:

and may be very slow or crash. This is not a bug in libavcodec,

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zigovr:

but in the compiler. Do not report crashes to FFmpeg developers.

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|Torg|:

zigovr ignore that

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zigovr:

it 's a false alarm ?

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|Torg|:

depends on your version of truth :P

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: actually, I wonder, does UPnP AV offer enough that eventually MythFrontend might be a UPnP AV client itself?

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GreyFoxx:

zigovr: Nah, I've used it for months and months

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: I think Davids goal is to do that

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zigovr:

GreyFoxx: ok, I'm going to try it then :) many thanks for the help

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adnick2k:

does anyone know how i would go about downgrading qt from 3.3.8 to 3.3.7

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adnick2k:

in ubuntu

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GreyFoxx:

plus in trunk you can use upnp to auto discover the backends

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: Oh that'd be nice

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: I have had to do some clever work with my router to make sure my BE can always be found.

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tjcarter:

nice to never have to do that again.

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clever_:

upnp can find the backends now?

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clever_:

since which revision?

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GreyFoxx:

It's been in trunk for a while, just off by default

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clever_:

ahh

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clever_:

where do you enable/configure it?

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GreyFoxx:

don't remember off hand

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clever_:

ahh:(

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sandeen_:

urgh, I've probably asked this before, but how does myth line up what I have in my channels table with what it gets from sd.org?

[02:45:00]

sandeen_:

i have one channel with "NO DATA"

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tjcarter:

Apparently djmount is currently the only Linux client (thanks for suggesting it, I had not known about it)

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zigovr:

it's too bad iptv isn't working very well out of the box, fortunatly there are tickets to solve the problems

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tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: actually, I don't think UPnP AV alone can do it.

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tjcarter:

You need to be able to access the database still

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tjcarter:

listings and whatnot

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GreyFoxx:

can do what ?

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GreyFoxx:

That's simple

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Mythluvr:

Back guys

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Mythluvr:

OK.......now I'm totally confused

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GreyFoxx:

upnp is basically xml over http (often using udp)

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Mythluvr:

the version of the protocol in trunk is 35

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GreyFoxx:

yes, now edit the backend.php in mythweb to 3700

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GreyFoxx:

and you should be good to go

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Mythluvr:

so where does this protocol 3700 in multirec come from and how do I get mythweb to work with it?

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tjcarter:

I think it can largely replace Myth network protocol using it

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|Torg|:

why mythprotocol works

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tjcarter:

But that greatly simplifies FE development--the database doesn't change THAT often.

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GreyFoxx:

myth the 3700 is so that people do not accidentially mix verisons

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: Currently, MythFrontend is the only frontend that actually works most of the time. WinMyth and friends break often because they can't keep up (and they're not extremely well written to begin with..)

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: MythFrontend is a bit beastly though, and hard to get working even on Linux systems these days (Qt3 and gcc4 do NOT cooperate for example)

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zigovr:

I have a new problem, I think it's since I updated to revision 14355, I have diffculties to stop a recording

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zigovr:

before, I could delete a recording that was still in being recorded, it would stop the recording and delete the file, now it continues to record

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Mythluvr:

GF

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Mythluvr:

How do I fix this borked problem now?

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GreyFoxx:

What problem ?

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: additionally, just because Mythdora upgrades doesn't mean Mythbuntu, and KnommMyth upgrade at the same time. And that's to say nothing of generic distributions for whom MythTV is a complete non-priority.

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Mythluvr:

would I be better just backing out everything, recompiling multirec and then installing mythweb from trunk?

[02:53:18]

tjcarter:

If you have more than one FE and possibly more than one BE, all on different systems, this becomes somewhat problematic.

[02:53:21]

Mythluvr:

I cant use mythweb to contact the backend

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GreyFoxx:

Mythluvr: I told you want to do

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tjcarter:

UPnP AV is if nothing else a fairly stable wire protocol to work with. It can't handle everything MythTV does (essentially, listings and whatnot, which are all in MySQL)

[02:54:22]

tjcarter:

But the rest, it can do.

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GreyFoxx:

edit the backend.php file in mythweb, set the protocol from 35 to 3700

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|Torg|:

tjcarter I have never had an issue compiling mythtv, mostly the times its failed is becase ive upgaded something and negelcted to download the dev parts. But as long as you understnad a compiler and its errors, the whole process is very easy

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|Torg|:

its not like some code that requires you to hack the makefiles, edit config.mak by hand etc

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: You obviously aren't trying to do this on anything but Linux.

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Mythluvr:

OK

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Mythluvr:

sry missed it.

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|Torg|:

no tjcarter that is one of the main reason I have standarized my enviromnet

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Mythluvr:

was reading the backtrace

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|Torg|:

I dont try to make it run on widnows, solaris, OSX or AIX

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tjcarter:

And likewise, I assume someone else is fixing Qt3's incompatibilities for you =)

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tjcarter:

Because believe me, making Qt3 build under gcc4, with all of Myth's dependencies included, on a Mac, is HARD.

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|Torg|:

libqt I got stright from the repoitory, so if anyone fixed it for me it was Debian

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tjcarter:

Debian fixed it.

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tjcarter:

they had to.

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tjcarter:

My least buggy FE for a Mac is over a year old

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|Torg|:

libqt3, gcc 4.1, g++ 4.1, mysql5, apache2, qt3-mt-mysql

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tjcarter:

I'd love to move to trunk, but until I can actually compile Qt, that ain't happening.

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|Torg|:

then run it on a Linux box

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tjcarter:

how ... unhelpful a response.

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GreyFoxx:

I've got my mac all setup for install myth on it, but just never bothered

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tjcarter:

You can't compile Qt3 as released with gcc4 on Linux either

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tjcarter:

you need patches

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GreyFoxx:

I have so many other frontends around I just haven'tr tried it

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|Torg|:

tjcater you are complaing you cant drive 55 mph in reverse on the highway

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tjcarter:

You're not even trying to listen

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|Torg|:

run the software on the platform it was intended to run on, its that simple

[02:59:50]

tjcarter:

The point is, if you didn't have to upgrade every single frontend every time you upgrade your backend, IT WOULD NOT MATTER anymore.

[02:59:58]

tjcarter:

you could run whatever frontend you wanted

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tjcarter:

or, you could (fairly trivially) write one for whatever platform you wanted.

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tjcarter:

That seems to be the goal in trunk

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|Torg|:

upgrading my frontends inst hard, all it takes is I comple svn, make it into a package, scp and install that remotly to the fe;s

[03:00:39]

Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: can you give me a copy of your alsa config for the RM4100? I'm messing with mine again and still have that issue with very very low volume on the audio.

[03:00:40]

tjcarter:

UPnP AV + MySQL access

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|Torg|:

its not a difficult task

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: Sure, what file do you need ?

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tjcarter:

I give up

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tjcarter:

talking to a Linux uber allis fanboy makes no sense.

[03:01:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

asound.conf I guess. I'm not an alsa expert

[03:01:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

or .asoundrc if you have things in that.

[03:01:56]

|Torg|:

it takes longer to compile the code then it does to deploy it

[03:02:23]

|Torg|:

actual tjcarter I prefer Solaris, its what I work in and get paid to do

[03:02:51]

|Torg|:

Linux isnt eactly my first choice as a platform and were it not for the fact I like to play with mythtv I probbly woulnt have a linux box to us

[03:03:10]

|Torg|:

I run Windows to play games, Solaris to work on, and Linux to run dvrs

[03:03:20]

|Torg|:

thats about as far as my uber allis goes

[03:03:24]

tjcarter:

And if your primary workstation were a Solaris box for which there was a supported MythFrontend (whose compilation is not trivial), would you want to fight with it often enough to keep up with trunk?

[03:04:08]

|Torg|:

if my Solaris box had enough horsepower to displ;ay the 1080I streams I would maybe compile it just to see if it worked, that would be along the lines of using cygwin to make it run with directx too

[03:04:23]

|Torg|:

its not a "lets make this production code" its a "gee lets see if this works"

[03:04:49]

|Torg|:

Im reasonably certain just getting cygwin and sucking down some packages aint gona cut it

[03:04:52]

tjcarter:

Supposedly OS X FE support is as close to production as any of Myth is

[03:04:59]

|Torg|:

then again ask GreyFoxx, he was doing it earlier

[03:05:08]

tjcarter:

it just doesn't build that easily because our libs and compiler are too new.

[03:05:18]

|Torg|:

too differnt

[03:05:32]

|Torg|:

distcc wont work to my solaris boxes either

[03:05:39]

tjcarter:

what's different about Qt, MySQL, etc?

[03:05:44]

tjcarter:

It's the same libs

[03:06:05]

tjcarter:

The only major difference is Mach-O vs. ELF, and Myth doesn't care about that.

[03:06:07]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Actually I was playign with making a native win32 binary, not using cygwin

[03:06:23]

tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: it shouldn't be too hard to do that.

[03:06:32]

|Torg|:

ok GreyFoxx I didnt mean to supose anything, just to imply you were playing with something on windows :)

[03:06:57]

xris:

ok.. no more fake email addresses for SD...

[03:07:02]

Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: just realized I'm not running the kernel you have on your site, I'm running a different one. let me try yours and see what happens.

[03:07:02]

GreyFoxx:

My wifehowever has taken control of thelaptop I was going it on so I'm rebuilding the environment in a vm running on my master backend

[03:07:07]

|Torg|:

yes tjcarter and by your same argument lxrun on my Solairs box shoudl work too, it dosnt

[03:07:15]

GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: K, I'll pop those files up on my site too

[03:07:18]

tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: The major pieces all compile reasonably cleanly under mingw32

[03:07:20]

Captain_Murdoch:

thx

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GreyFoxx:

I'm even using Visualc++ express to do it :)

[03:07:55]

tjcarter:

|Torg|: why would it?

[03:08:17]

|Torg|:

more like why wouldnt it, its a solaris program to run linux apps nativly

[03:08:28]

|Torg|:

sorta like wine, why wont it do all the windows programs?

[03:08:33]

tjcarter:

You have made a baseless assertion that OS X is "too different" for MythTV

[03:08:53]

|Torg|:

I dint say too differnt I just said differnt

[03:08:58]

tjcarter:

there is nothing that Linux-specific about MythTV's frontend.

[03:09:01]

|Torg|:

not newer, not older, just differnt

[03:09:20]

tjcarter:

In fact, now that there is FW video support, I am relatively sure mythbackend would compile on a Mac

[03:09:42]

tjcarter:

The main reason why it wasn't done before is that V4L was the only way to get stuff into the BE

[03:09:50]

|Torg|:

ok then go do it

[03:09:52]

tjcarter:

and V4L is obviously pretty Linux-specific

[03:10:23]

tjcarter:

... why? You said I should only run MythTV on Linux.

[03:10:29]

RyeBrye:

OS X frontend is really good

[03:10:34]

|Torg|:

I said *I* only run it on that

[03:10:35]

tjcarter:

Despite the fact that OS X is a supported platform for FE

[03:10:36]

RyeBrye:

I would argue it's better than linux

[03:10:46]

RyeBrye:

because it has built in suppot out-of-the-box for the APple remote

[03:10:56]

RyeBrye:

and the setup is this:

[03:10:58]

RyeBrye:

build.

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|Torg|:

I only said if running it on OSX gave you so many problems you should run it on Linux

[03:10:59]

RyeBrye:

Double click

[03:11:00]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: did you or anyone else sort out that seek bug ;)

[03:11:14]

|Torg|:

if you are famiar and confortable enough to run it on a vacuum cleaner go for it

[03:11:24]

|Torg|:

I never said you couldnt

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I don't know what bug you are talking about.. which one is it?

[03:11:49]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: if you say tap right arrow key twice in rapid succession, you often wind up at start of stream

[03:12:02]

RyeBrye:

Hmm... Haven't had that happen to me so I guess it's fixed

[03:12:05]

tjcarter:

I can always tell when it's going to happen

[03:12:15]

tjcarter:

It was around at least as far back as 0.19

[03:12:33]

tjcarter:

for a moment, after a seek, the time you see in OSD is 0:00:00

[03:12:35]

RyeBrye:

You shuold take the osx-packager.pl script from teh trunk version and use it on the fixes

[03:12:45]

RyeBrye:

Let me go see

[03:12:49]

RyeBrye:

on live TV or recordings o rboth?

[03:12:56]

tjcarter:

recordings

[03:13:15]

tjcarter:

if you seek again before it figures out where in the stream you are, it jumps back to 0:00:00 ;)

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tjcarter:

I wonder if some of that has to do with using bits of Qt to ease the porting rather than doing it as VLC and MPlayer do and pretending Qt doesn't exist ;)

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – doesn't seem to be a problem now

[03:18:49]

tjcarter:

cool

[03:19:03]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – although after hitting the right arrow a TON of times, it did get to a point where hitting the right arrow more wouldn't advance it any more

[03:19:10]

tjcarter:

yeah

[03:19:14]

RyeBrye:

but it didn't jump back to the start of hte screen

[03:19:21]

RyeBrye:

and itw asn't at the end of the recording

[03:19:29]

RyeBrye:

I just paused it and then unpaused it and could hit the right arrow more

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tjcarter:

wait

[03:19:42]

tjcarter:

wouldn't advance anymore even though it wasn't at the end of the recording?

[03:19:45]

tjcarter:

interesting!

[03:19:47]

RyeBrye:

yeah, strange

[03:19:56]

tjcarter:

I wonder if that's caused by network latency

[03:19:57]

RyeBrye:

but it was when I was hitting the right arrow faster than any human being should ever hit it

[03:20:00]

RyeBrye:

Probably

[03:20:03]

RyeBrye:

I'm only on 802.11g

[03:20:10]

tjcarter:

oh, that'd do it.

[03:20:25]

RyeBrye:

yeah. It streams fine but if I try to advance too fast it gets bogged down

[03:20:30]

RyeBrye:

(just SDTV)

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tjcarter:

You have a Parallels or VMWare image of a Linux dist to try that?

[03:20:52]

tjcarter:

I'd be curious to know if network latency is killing you

[03:20:58]

tjcarter:

or if it's actually a Mac bug

[03:21:07]

RyeBrye:

I don't have any linux on this machine

[03:21:10]

RyeBrye:

I have parallels XP

[03:21:33]

RyeBrye:

it felt like a network thing

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tjcarter:

You should be able to install Ubuntu into a VM image

[03:21:36]

RyeBrye:

but it could be a mac thing, dunno

[03:21:49]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I should be able to – but I only have 2 gigs of RAM so Parallels is torture

[03:21:52]

RyeBrye:

I need to get 2 more gigs

[03:21:56]

RyeBrye:

then I will use Parallels with ease

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tjcarter:

I have 1.5

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tjcarter:

and a Core 1 Duo

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tjcarter:

so Parallels sucks for me ;)

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RyeBrye:

dont' brag ;)

[03:22:36]

RyeBrye:

I develop web applications in java, so I have my test instance of tomcat running most of the day eating up 512megs of ram

[03:22:37]

tjcarter:

C2D makes all the diffrence with Parallels and VMWare both

[03:22:44]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, true

[03:22:49]

RyeBrye:

I do have core 2 duo

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: doesn't seemed to have helped my issue. you're using snd_intel8x0 right?

[03:22:53]

tjcarter:

seriously, it's a huge difference

[03:23:10]

tjcarter:

Almost enough that, if I could get the C2D chip for my Mac, I'd do the upgrade myself.

[03:23:19]

GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: Yup

[03:23:23]

RyeBrye:

what mac is it? mac mini?

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Mythluvr:

GF......got it mostly working thanks

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GreyFoxx:

and I looked I have no asoundrc

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GreyFoxx:

just an asound.state file

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|Torg|:

tjcarter try http://www.thesniderpad.com//index.php?option . . . ect&id=3

[03:23:49]

tjcarter:

There are only three of them, and they're not really available as OEM chips in the retail market

[03:23:54]

RyeBrye:

If you are just lokoing for a mac box for Mythtv – wadim (who occasionaly ocmes in here – I talk to him on IM more) – says the OS X frontend works great on the Mac TV

[03:24:04]

RyeBrye:

it will playback HD no problem on the MacTV

[03:24:09]

RyeBrye:

or Apple TV or whatever they call it

[03:24:16]

Mythluvr:

I now have 6 encoders showing in mythweb, even though I've only got two devices.

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Mythluvr:

so I'm off to bed and sleep.

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: well you know by now that my interest isn't in MythFrontend on Apple TV, it's a MythTV FE in BackRow.

[03:25:05]

RyeBrye:

:)

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: that way you still have an AppleTV, but you also have a Myth FE

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|Torg|:

tjcarter did you go to that link I posted?

[03:25:32]

RyeBrye:

No, he has it on the Apple TV integrated into his frontrow somehow

[03:25:45]

tjcarter:

|Torg|: that build doesn't work very well for me.

[03:25:59]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: oh, it's not hard to do that

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|Torg|:

I belvie he has scripts he used to compile it, maybe that would work

[03:26:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: are you using oss output or alsa in mythfrontend?

[03:26:25]

GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: Lemme check

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RyeBrye:

what is the svn URL for the 0.20 fixes branch?

[03:26:47]

RyeBrye:

I can try to build that for you on my c2d machine

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: you just set Myth to be the actual FrontRow that is run and then add a menu option for Front Row to your menus

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|Torg|:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/

[03:27:30]

RyeBrye:

thanks

[03:27:37]

RyeBrye:

I'll see if I can run the build script against that URL

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tjcarter:

|Torg|: RyeBrye is working with me to get the scripts in svn to build everything. I ran into another problem with fink (incompatible libraries--sometimes mixing stuff on a Mac is worse than dealing with Gentoo!), but I've got that mostly sorted now.

[03:28:59]

tjcarter:

My last issue was something freetype-related I think.

[03:29:47]

tjcarter:

As I was formerly running RangerRick's pangocairo branch, and I hadn't updated same in a couple of months, there were bound to be issues with freetype.

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GreyFoxx:

Captain_Murdoch: ALSA:defauylt

[03:30:18]

tjcarter:

I think freetype alone held up the merging of pangocairo with fink's trunk for months.

[03:30:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: ok, thx.

[03:31:05]

tjcarter:

I do believe it's been merged now, based on the number of -1000ish revisions I see in current update-all after reverting to selfupdate-rsync

[03:31:51]

jams:

man just updated to trunk, that was a mistake

[03:32:08]

RyeBrye:

what's broken in trunk for you?

[03:32:13]

jams:

stuttering liveplayback and blueface previews

[03:32:24]

RyeBrye:

oh. those are features

[03:32:26]

RyeBrye:

;)

[03:32:42]

jams:

also freezes when going across show boundies with live-tv

[03:32:49]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I am doing a clean build with that fixes branch so it will take some time

[03:33:54]

RyeBrye:

I need to somehow force it to use ccache I think...

[03:34:05]

tjcarter:

jams: as in short freeze or long freeze?

[03:34:44]

jams:

tjcarter- long freeze. to continue I have to pause,skip back then skip forward

[03:35:06]

jams:

playback is frozen, recording continues without trouble

[03:35:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: can you /msg me the output of 'lsmod' on one of your boxes?

[03:35:57]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – it's building now... I'll let you know if it finishes. I will have no way to test playback or anything since I don't have a 0.20-fixes backend, but I can test that it will open properly when it gets done. I will upload it to one of my servers when I finish it if it works

[03:36:54]

RyeBrye:

or if it works, you can just get the osx-packager.pl script from the trunk and run it with ./osx-packager.pl -svnbranch release-0-20-fixes – since that's all I did...

[03:36:57]

RyeBrye:

(or am doing)

[03:38:08]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: did you have issues downloading source for any of that?

[03:38:25]

tjcarter:

I had a significant amount of it with the one from -fixes, but I got all the bits it wanted

[03:38:37]

RyeBrye:

No. I think the osx-packager.pl has all the fixes we put in. It used to have a TON of the download URLs broken

[03:38:42]

RyeBrye:

(in the trunk versino)

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tjcarter:

I think you need to put the current script in -fixes then ;)

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RyeBrye:

I don't have access to do that, I'm just a lowly user :)

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RyeBrye:

I think someone should just backport it and make the fixes branch the default svn revision to check out and it would bef ien

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epoxy:

hello

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RyeBrye:

It's good to see more poeple interested in Mac OS X builds though :

[03:40:36]

RyeBrye:

:)

[03:40:51]

clever_:

dont have any mac's here:P

[03:41:01]

clever_:

but i do have some sparc64 systems

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clever_:

but most of my stuff is x86

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RyeBrye:

you running commflag on sparc64 ;) ?

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epoxy:

I was pondering on getting the PVR-350 ... but someone said that I should get the 250 do to it having much more support.. is there any truth to this? (this is also coming from someone that is trying to get me to buy his 250)

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clever_:

RyeBrye: havent gotten anything to run on the sparc yet

[03:41:53]

RyeBrye:

The capture I think is equally supported

[03:42:08]

RyeBrye:

epoxy – but I htink the output thing on the 350 is iffy... I haven't used it so I can't say for sure

[03:42:12]

clever_:

RyeBrye: the ubuntu sparc livecd locks up after i pick a option in silo

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epoxy:

ah

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RyeBrye:

clever_ you using Sun Type 7 keyboard on that sparc?

[03:42:35]

clever_:

sun keyboard

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clever_:

thru a kvm

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** RyeBrye uses a Sun Type 6 on his mac at work – but wishes he could map the "Props" key **

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jams:

epoxy- the 350 and 250 work the same for capute. The 350 has a mpeg decoder but rumor has it support might be dropped in myth for the decoder

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clever_:

the outputs on the kvm depend on the cable leaving the kvm

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epoxy:

So, do you think I should shoot for the 250? or can you recommend a better card with onboard encoding? I am going to attempt a freebsd install, then a linux install if all else fails

[03:43:19]

epoxy:

Oh, thanks for that info

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clever_:

the sun keyboard(and mouse on same cable) and vga go into a massive cable with a lpt type plug on the end

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clever_:

and then 4 lpt like plugs leave the kvm

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RyeBrye:

150, 250 or 500 would all be fine I would assume – I have no idea how MythBE works in freebsd

[03:44:03]

clever_:

atm the only kvm->pc cables i have are ones with usb and sun plugs on them

[03:44:15]

RyeBrye:

yeah

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jams:

epoxy- 250 is ok, but out of production. the 150 and 500(2 tuners on one card) are the replacments

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clever_:

the sparc system doesnt have usb ports

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epoxy:

Ah... hehe, i dont know anything about the 500.

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RyeBrye:

clever_ is the sparc an older system? I thought sun went all to USB with their type 6 and now type 7 keyboards

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jams:

epoxy- Greyfoxx was working on a bsd port, he might be able to give more info on the status.

[03:45:07]

clever_:

sun ultra 10 i think

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epoxy:

now i'm really confused about which card to get lol

[03:45:34]

epoxy:

the port is there, but the pkg-desc makes it seem like it's not even worth compiling

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epoxy:

i'm more worried about hardware support in fbsd rather then mythtv

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jams:

if the 250 is cheap enough i would give it a try.

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RyeBrye:

Buy either a Hauppauge PVR 150 or a Hauppage PVR 500 if you want one that is new – get the 500 if you want 2 tuners on one PCI slot. If the 250 is cheaper from your friend and you can get the "Hey, dude, this card broke give my my money back" warranty that'd be fine

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epoxy:

i love my freebsd for routers, firewalls, and network services..but for hardware it has it's minuses! ... although over the past 2 releases, it has improved dramitically

[03:46:52]

clever_:

im using lfs for my router

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epoxy:

I think i'm going to go with the 500.. assuming it can record AND play?

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RyeBrye:

it can record

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tjcarter:

Beware that many people have issues with the analog tuners on the 500..

[03:47:41]

tjcarter:

namely, the second tuner is crappy, if you have a cable box, put it on the second tuner ;)

[03:47:41]

RyeBrye:

I haven't had any problems with my 500 and it has the newer tuners

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tjcarter:

but this problem does not affect all people

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clever_:

brb

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RyeBrye:

The 500 only has 1 input though – so you can't decide which input to put on which tuner.. it splits internally

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: yes you can

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RyeBrye:

there are 2 coax jacks, but the second is for the FM tuner

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: you tell input 2 to record from SVideo ;)

[03:48:36]

RyeBrye:

Oh, gotcha

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tjcarter:

PVR-500 is a great card if you have cable boxes, but for a number of us, it sucks for analog cable

[03:49:04]

tjcarter:

at least, on tuner #2

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tjcarter:

so, don't use tuner #2 =)

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epoxy:

what do you mean by cable box?

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RyeBrye:

I will have to see if there is a difference. I haven't noticed one

[03:49:20]

epoxy:

digital cable box?

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tjcarter:

epoxy: that's what I have, yes

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tjcarter:

sa3250hd

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RyeBrye:

if oyu have digital cable and are in the US, firewire is likely the way to go

[03:49:50]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: not usually =(

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epoxy:

i'm in the US ... and i dont have digital cable yet

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: regs only require that firewire work for QAM clear channels

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epoxy:

i have a big screen hdtv on the way though

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: I have 20 HD channels and 5 of them are QAM clear.

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tjcarter:

none of the non-HD channels are.

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epoxy:

and i'm getting hdtv which comes with some sort of hdbox (time warner)

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epoxy:

i'm guessing that will have what i need?

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – all of your SDTV are QAM encrypted? That's messed up

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tjcarter:

epoxy: yeah, you'll be recording SD though

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RyeBrye:

even Comcast nearby me has all the SDTV in the clear

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: or FW only works on HD channels

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tjcarter:

I don't know that

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tjcarter:

I don't have a QAM card, so I cannot say

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RyeBrye:

The trunk version has a lot of firewire fixes in it :)

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tjcarter:

I can say that the "DVI" port requires HDCP

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tjcarter:

Doesn't matter if the box can't receive video

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epoxy:

will the SD look ok on playback on my hdtv?

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RyeBrye:

I know when I set my friends box up in 0.20 it sucked, so I went with the trunk and it worked – all of the SDTV came throuhg fine, but a seemingly random selection of network HD channels were encrypted

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tjcarter:

no video is transmitted except for on 750–754

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sandeen_:

I had to change an xmltvid in my lineup; is there a way to force mythfilldatabase to retrieve this new channel?

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RyeBrye:

SD will look like SD -

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RyeBrye:

it will look no worse than it did before it came into MythTV if that's what you are wonering

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epoxy:

i'm just trying to get a broad picture of what i'm getting myself into :) this seems like a fun projec

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epoxy:

t

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epoxy:

i appreciate everyone's patience

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RyeBrye:

epoxy – the fbsd part will be the hardest part of the equation

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epoxy:

that's no biggie.. i can throw centos on there if i need to

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zo0m:

as in you'll need to port it yourself sat this piont

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: did FW not work before you did that?

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zo0m:

dont think anyones actually porting it to fbsd activly anymore since 0.17

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I can't remember if it did or not. I think it was hard to set up... like I had to run some crazy shell script every time

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RyeBrye:

sandeen – mythfilldatabase --sourceid <number> Only refresh data for sourceid given

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tjcarter:

you know, thus far, datadirect has not actually killed existing subscribers

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RyeBrye:

sandeen – there are other options

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tjcarter:

those who need to wait a week or two before they can sign up for SD should be able to do so.

[03:56:11]

tjcarter:

They might kill it Tuesday

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, when they come in and realize their cron job for killserver didn't run properly

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epoxy:

http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ha . . . ct=pvr500mce i guess this is what i'm getting

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RyeBrye:

yeha, but you can probably find it cheaper than through hauppauge themselves

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epoxy:

true that

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epoxy:

ntsc / pal. .. the options never end :)

[03:58:47]

RyeBrye:

yeah, I assume oyu know what one you want on that standard

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epoxy:

and i've heard the remote control IR works great?

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jblack:

Or maybe... they're just trying really hard to not be assholes

[03:59:29]

epoxy:

That was only through one perosn though

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RyeBrye:

LIRC works fine but it can be a bitch to setup

[04:00:07]

RyeBrye:

once oyu have done it once it's easy, but the first time through some of the files oyu have to create and put places can get confusing

[04:00:24]

epoxy:

yuck

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epoxy:

maybe i'll write a script for everyone lol

[04:00:38]

Rongo:

Im doinf it right now... and finding that the repeat rate (when looking at mode2) is nice and predictable... but in irw it is "sluggish" and intermitent.. anyone seen that before?

[04:00:44]

** epoxy adds a side note **

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RyeBrye:

Rongo – I did once time when I had a remote that was a multiple-device sony remote. I thought I would get lucky and they would all be the same encoding... etc but they weren't so it was basically like 3 remotes in 1 with buttons that would ujump between devices if I hit a button

[04:02:53]

RyeBrye:

in short – try a different remote and see if the remote is the issue

[04:03:45]

Rongo:

Hmm. THis isnt a universal remote. same old hauppauge grey (or silver) one.

[04:04:55]

RyeBrye:

oh, strange

[04:05:50]

** sandeen_ got a one-for-all remote to work with his pvr-150 that he really likes **

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sandeen_:

RyeBrye, mythfilldatabase --sourceid <number> ---- that's for card number X... how does that tell it to refresh new channels?

[04:08:19]

RyeBrye:

oh, dunno

[04:08:31]

RyeBrye:

mythfilldatabase --help should give you some options to consider though

[04:08:48]

Rongo:

Anyone know the magic trick to make the DPMI on the M2NPV-VM work?

[04:08:59]

Rongo:

(probably an xorg.conf hack?)

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defaultro:

good evening folks. I'm returning my DCT6200 stb to comcast. I won't be recording via firewire anymore. Anyways, can someone please recommend a dual hdtv tuner? Thanks!

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Inssomniak:

for cable?

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defaultro:

yes, qam256

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sandeen_:

RyeBrye, ya. got the help options already :)

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defaultro:

not hdhomerun please

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Inssomniak:

defaultro, you arent likely just able to recieve your cable company's HD

[04:11:37]

defaultro:

huh, you didn't answer my question. LOL

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defaultro:

I didn't say I would like to capture encrypted ones. Of course, I'm aware of that :P

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RyeBrye:

your HD is likely encrpyted is what he's saying I thnk

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Inssomniak:

defaultro, otherwise I dont know of any dual tuner atsc/qam cards on the market

[04:12:14]

defaultro:

RyeBrye, read my post before your post :)

[04:12:20]

defaultro:

ok

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Inssomniak:

best to get 2 pchdtv 5500 cards or something

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defaultro:

yep, looks like that's the only route. Either I should get another Fusion Lite

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RyeBrye:

defaultro – my post showed up before yours. Learn about ping time and lag before you act like an ass to people trying to help :)

[04:12:54]

defaultro:

lol, it shows first here

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defaultro:

anyways, we know the answer

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RyeBrye:

I know... IRC is way laggy :)

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sandeen_:

"Please click here to download the latest driver which includes the ability to run Dual AVerTVHD MCE

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sandeen_:

A180 tuner cards" – never found such a card, but avermedia has a ddriver for it :)

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defaultro:

ok

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sandeen_:

oh, maybe that means "2 cards"

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sandeen_:

not dual tuner

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defaultro:

like an ass?

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defaultro:

i wasn't

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defaultro:

if i was, apology

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defaultro:

that's the problem with writing

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defaultro:

sandeen, two tuners in one physical card

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RyeBrye:

It's oky. I'm just being snappy. I learned it frome some of the other guys in this channel :)

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defaultro:

but looks likes there isn't any yet

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defaultro:

sandeen, I'll just get another one. I heard that avermedia is cheap than dvico

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Inssomniak:

why not the hdhomerun?

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defaultro:

it's expensive

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Inssomniak:

ahh

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sandeen_:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx <--- guess they do make 'em

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defaultro:

160

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defaultro:

something like that

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epoxy:

is this the official mythtv-users chan?

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Inssomniak:

for what the hdhomerun does I think its reasonably priced

[04:15:20]

RyeBrye:

epoxy – as official as it gets, yes

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sandeen_:

defaultro, i'm about to put 2 kworld dvb tuners in my box

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defaultro:

kworld?

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defaultro:

how much is one?

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epoxy:

^^^ seems like an awesome card

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Inssomniak:

they are dvb?

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sandeen_:

around $65-$70 US. (it's a single tuner card) – but yeah dvb

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sandeen_:

atsc-110 is what I have now

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sandeen_:

I think replaced by atsc-115

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sandeen_:

works fine for me

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defaultro:

i've really happy with Dvico Fusion lite hdtv. However, i'm looking for a cheaper one that's stable too

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defaultro:

sandeen, can it do qam?

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defaultro:

s/i've/i'm/

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sandeen_:

they have other cards, no idea if they work. yes, the atsc-110 can do qam, defaultro

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epoxy:

so those cards playback at HD rates?

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sandeen_:

these cards only capture the HD mpeg stream

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RyeBrye:

defaultro – why are you switching away from firewire? I was thinking of moving towards a firewire capture setup

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Inssomniak:

I have only ever used the 5500, although more expensive I like that it was designed from the ground up as open source :)

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defaultro:

epoxy, no playback

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epoxy:

ah

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epoxy:

which is about.. 6gb / hour?

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sandeen_:

about that yeah

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defaultro:

RyeBrye, I want to return the set top box to save $8/month

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RyeBrye:

defaultro – gotcha

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sandeen_:

defaultro, I just havea the free unencrypted stuff on a $9/month subscription for cable :)

[04:17:32]

RyeBrye:

defaultro – I would probably od the same :)

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Inssomniak:

9 bux a month for cable?

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Inssomniak:

must be nice

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defaultro:

sandeen, that's good

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defaultro:

who's provider?

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sandeen_:

comcast

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defaultro:

hmm

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defaultro:

i just went to their website and cheapest is $15.99

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sandeen_:

it's the congressionally-mandated but not very advertised cheapest sub

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epoxy:

defaultro, so the output isn't HD? woudl that require another peice of hardware?

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RyeBrye:

sandeen_ did you look closely at the van of the guy who gave you that deal? and do you pay your bills in cash to a guy who comes by every month or do you get actual bills?

[04:18:31]

RyeBrye:

;)

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sandeen_:

RyeBrye, it's legit

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RyeBrye:

cool

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defaultro:

epoxy, capture qam cards capture HD. Your video card is the one that outputs it to your screen

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Inssomniak:

like 40 bux a month for basic cable here

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defaultro:

sandeen, how do you call it? I will ask comcast on the sixth months

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Inssomniak:

and there is no qam HD available that you can watch :(:(

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sandeen_:

defaultro, let me look it up

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** epoxy reads up on qam hd **

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defaultro:

Inssomniak, what do you mean no QAM HD ?

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Inssomniak:

defaultro, on my provider

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defaultro:

oh

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Inssomniak:

all encrypted

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sandeen_:

defaultro, just tell them you only want cable for the reception, you just want local stations, etc etc... but there is a name for it...

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defaultro:

you have to complain

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** sandeen_ logs into comcast **

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RyeBrye:

QAM encryption is ludicrous

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Yggdrasil:

hello, can somone here help me figure out why im not getting any epg info from dvb-s

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defaultro:

FCC mandaates that all local channels shouldn't be encrypted

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defaultro:

that's per FCC

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Inssomniak:

defaultro, FCC doesnt apply here

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defaultro:

why? where are you at?

[04:20:31]

RyeBrye:

canada?

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Inssomniak:

CRTC runs the show

[04:20:40]

RyeBrye:

Blame Canada

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defaultro:

oh :)

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Inssomniak:

and all local HD channels are encrypted

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Yggdrasil:

funny candy company ?

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sandeen_:

Inssomniak, that sucks :)

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defaultro:

sandeen, just want to let you know i'm still here :)

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – my fixes build has just finished building all the dependencies... it's downloading the fixes branch of the source now

[04:21:39]

tjcarter:

cool

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defaultro:

sandeen, what channels are you able to see?

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sandeen_:

Comcast Cable Television $ 7.71 :)

[04:21:51]

RyeBrye:

wow

[04:22:02]

defaultro:

that's very generic

[04:22:03]

RyeBrye:

sandeen_ what channels do you get for that? local only?

[04:22:14]

sandeen_:

no, more than that actually

[04:22:19]

sandeen_:

quite a few on the digital side

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defaultro:

that would be confusing when I mention it to a comcast person

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sandeen_:

defaultro, yeah still looking

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defaultro:

oh sorry

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sandeen_:

I get Bravo on digital, strangely enough

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sandeen_:

for true HD, really pretty much only the networks & PBS IIRC

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epoxy:

so is http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx fusionhdtv dvb-t card good for HD?

[04:22:53]

defaultro:

hmm, looks like you hack the wire :D hehehe

[04:22:57]

RyeBrye:

Maybe you should get Sandeen ot get you to give you his SSN so the comcast rep can just look up his account and copy whatever he has ;) :P

[04:23:03]

epoxy:

or is there better

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defaultro:

hahaha

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sandeen_:

epoxy, you're in US?

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epoxy:

yup yup

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defaultro:

epoxy, don't know if that is supported

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RyeBrye:

or just give me a minute and I'll go into #russia and get it for you ;)

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epoxy:

oh yeh

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epoxy:

i remember reading about that earlier

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epoxy:

isnt that for EU ?

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sandeen_:

defaultro, ugh, can't find anything that actually says what I havve

[04:24:09]

defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

which state are you at?

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** sandeen_ tries "manage my account" **

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sandeen_:

I'm in MN

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epoxy:

NC ... time warner

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defaultro:

k

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sandeen_:

defaultro, pretty sure this all fell out of the big congressional action on cable tv years back

[04:24:47]

defaultro:

k

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epoxy:

now i want a card that can record hdtv lol.. i was settling for a pvr500 ... but now i want hdtv lol

[04:25:15]

defaultro:

fusion hdtv 5 lite

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sandeen_:

epoxy, yes, you really do

[04:25:29]

sandeen_:

esp. if you have an hdtv

[04:25:30]

epoxy:

that's what i'm looking at now.. that's decent?

[04:25:40]

epoxy:

i have one on the way as we speak! just bought it this morning

[04:25:46]

RyeBrye:

epoxy – the hardware requirements for HD capture and playback are much greater – don't forget that

[04:25:54]

sandeen_:

defaultro, http://www.comcast.com/shop/buyflow/default.a . . . cePage=Cable <---- look for "Basic Cable"

[04:26:14]

sandeen_:

$7.71. Right under that is "HDTV" – I did not order that :)

[04:26:33]

sandeen_:

I just have stuff coming in digital on my cheap-ass subscription... and I have my own "tuner" in my mythbox

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epoxy:

yeah i know.. it's going into my desktop for the time being..which is plenty. i'll deal with min. req. when i get it working.. then i'll build a dedicated miniatx server

[04:26:47]

defaultro:

basic cable here is $15.99

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sandeen_:

RyeBrye, capture is simple for hd

[04:26:57]

sandeen_:

really

[04:27:00]

sandeen_:

only playback is tough

[04:27:02]

defaultro:

let me doublecheck

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RyeBrye:

sandeen_ I should have specified: HD space for capture, video card / proc for playback

[04:27:20]

sandeen_:

dunno if that url will work for you...

[04:27:23]

sandeen_:

eh, space is cheap :)

[04:27:33]

RyeBrye:

yeah, true

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defaultro:

yes, it does show $15.99

[04:27:46]

RyeBrye:

defaultro – what state do you live in?

[04:27:49]

defaultro:

IL

[04:27:53]

RyeBrye:

IL is close to MN

[04:27:54]

sandeen_:

defaultro, huh. odd.

[04:28:08]

RyeBrye:

you can get a few hundred miles of RG6Q and it would pay itself off in a few centuries :)

[04:28:14]

defaultro:

:D

[04:28:24]

RyeBrye:

Signal loss would be a nightmare... but you could put amps every few miles

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defaultro:

but I don't want to do that because I will cause a lot of heavy traffic, hehehe :D

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sandeen_:

defaultro, I see no $15.99 on my list. I dunno, ask them for their very cheapest cable, say you only watch PBS but your antenna sucks, and you want nothing else fancy :)

[04:29:21]

RyeBrye:

maybe IL state has basic cable tax or something

[04:29:34]

epoxy:

defaultro, , what about :: FusionHDTV5 RT cards? is what what you were talking about?

[04:29:35]

defaultro:

I actually want to put an antenna again on my roof but roof is 1 year old, I don't want to mess with it.

[04:29:47]

defaultro:

epoxy, they're good

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RyeBrye:

for ATSC stuff? I've thought about that

[04:29:52]

defaultro:

that's what my friend has

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Inssomniak:

get a tower

[04:30:08]

defaultro:

yes, i have Air2PC and it worked great on my radioshack 120" antenna

[04:30:09]

sandeen_:

defaultro, what's your zip OOC (if you don't mind)

[04:30:10]

Inssomniak:

ppl give them away

[04:30:19]

defaultro:

60142

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epoxy:

http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/ there is light, gold, and express

[04:30:30]

defaultro:

i have lite

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defaultro:

and it's more than 1 year without issues

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RyeBrye:

I think once people start to realize how crappy encrpyted QAM stuff is and how you can get the same thing over-the-air for free without nasy encryption a lot more antennas will start popping up

[04:31:13]

epoxy:

oh sweet.. do you think the RT series card will work great? is that what replaced your card?

[04:31:33]

defaultro:

that's true

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defaultro:

epoxy, you keep on asking the same question

[04:31:46]

sandeen_:

defaultro, grr wants street addr too... I'll find one on google :)

[04:31:47]

defaultro:

we just answered

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epoxy:

lol

[04:32:03]

defaultro:

oh, my address is new and not even on mapquest yet

[04:32:14]

sandeen_:

i'll just find one in the zip :)

[04:32:18]

defaultro:

our community just started last year

[04:32:54]

defaultro:

sandeen, what are you doing though? Antennaweb.org?

[04:33:06]

sandeen_:

just looking for myself at comcast's site for your zip :)

[04:33:10]

defaultro:

ah

[04:33:35]

Aval0n:

anyone in here know where I can find documentation about getting the ir port on a kworld 115 working with lirc?

[04:33:37]

sandeen_:

15.59. bummer :)

[04:33:42]

defaultro:

has the mythtv-vid been incorporated to trunk

[04:33:53]

sandeen_:

Aval0n, yeah, there are patches floating around for the 110, I bet 115 is very similar

[04:33:54]

defaultro:

yep :(

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sandeen_:

Aval0n, not yet integrated into dvb yet though

[04:34:23]

Aval0n:

you think the same patch would work?

[04:34:37]

Aval0n:

I also have a OVU4003 usb ir reciever

[04:34:43]

Aval0n:

I duuno if that one works

[04:34:44]

** defaultro hates his Air2PC v2 because it cannot do QAM **

[04:34:46]

epoxy:

defaultro, sorry i'm just getting excited.. and i'm bouncing back from reading/researching.. i apologize

[04:34:55]

sandeen_:

Aval0n, it might, not sure, maybe the remote itself is different? it's where I'd start

[04:35:11]

Aval0n:

i am using a logitech harmony 520

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sandeen_:

epoxy, get ready to kiss the next 4 weeks goodbye fiddling with myth ;-)

[04:35:17]

Aval0n:

I don't care with ir receiver I get working

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Aval0n:

:)

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epoxy:

hehe i'm ready

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defaultro:

epoxy, i was actually searching mythtv.org for the list of hdtv hardware capture cards that works well with myth but I cannot find it

[04:35:30]

Aval0n:

would be nice if I could get the one on the kworld working.

[04:35:33]

sandeen_:

Aval0n, google for "80th attempt kworld" :)

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

wth

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sandeen_:

IIRC I did get it working on the 110.

[04:36:04]

sandeen_:

in the end though just used my pvr-150, well supported

[04:36:05]

defaultro:

epoxy, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . cording_HDTV

[04:36:31]

epoxy:

ah didn't see that one yet...thanks

[04:36:39]

sandeen_:

Aval0n, i'm probably going to get a 115 soon, if you cant make it work find me in a week or so :)

[04:36:45]

Aval0n:

hahaha

[04:36:52]

Aval0n:

ok

[04:37:08]

sandeen_:

was going to see if I could help get that patch finally cleaned up & into the dvb codebase

[04:38:02]

Aval0n:

I just need a way for my logitech remote to work :)

[04:38:11]

sandeen_:

*nod*

[04:38:13]

sandeen_:

get an irman or something :)

[04:38:21]

Rongo:

did the DPMS behavior of the frontend change from 0.19 to 0.20?

[04:38:58]

Aval0n:

hah

[04:40:44]

sandeen_:

Aval0n, I dunno what format the kworld remote is in, what other remotes can talk to it.

[04:42:06]

epoxy:

hm i think i'm about to get a fusionhdtv5 RT gold from my girlfriend for my birthday.. sweet

[04:43:14]

sandeen_:

epoxy, there is also a list of supported cards on the dvb wiki at linuxtv.org

[04:43:34]

epoxy:

i am in the US.. isn't DVB in EU or something?

[04:44:17]

sandeen_:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices

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** sandeen_ wobbles off to bed **

[04:49:05]

Rongo:

anyone have mythwelcome working with acpi (instead of nvram-wakeup)?

[04:49:20]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – mythtv and mythfrontend built fine... it's building the plugins now

[04:49:58]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: Cool, mind packing up your .app when you're done?

[04:50:46]

RyeBrye:

no problem. I'll zip and bzip2 it and see which is smaller – if bzip2 isn't smaller by 10% I'll put a zip somewhere oyu can get it

[04:51:30]

RyeBrye:

hm... may have spoken too soon – it has a minor snag...

[04:51:45]

RyeBrye:

it had an error copying osme file...I'll see if I can fix it

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Inssomniak:

epoxy, DVB in US/canada is only used for satellite

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epoxy:

i was way off

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epoxy:

either way i wont need it

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: It's used for digital cable too

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Yggdrasil:

inssomniak

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Yggdrasil:

do i know u

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: did you see my question about the bios?

[05:29:54]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[05:30:13]

Captain_Murdoch:

did you use the msntv-anon one or the msntv-video-r1 staged one?

[05:30:58]

GreyFoxx:

the msntv-video one

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, I'm wondering if that's my issue. going to revert to that one. I have the staged one on there now.

[05:31:45]

Captain_Murdoch:

oops, sorry, I'm on the video-r1 one, not anon

[05:32:04]

Captain_Murdoch:

so that's not it unless my 'make-staged' script hosed it up somehow.

[05:32:20]

GreyFoxx:

there was a guy that kept up todate info on all of them, ..... ummm... spacechimp.net or spacechimps.net

[05:32:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

seen his site, I'll go look around more at it.

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I have the build done and it loads

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I am uploading it now to http://ryebrye.com/files/MythFrontendFixes.zip – it should be done in about 14 minutes or so

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defaultro:

RyeBrye, what is the fix about?

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RyeBrye:

it's the 0.20-fixes branch of the frontend built for OS X intel machines

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defaultro:

oh ok

[05:41:44]

defaultro:

OS X intel?

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RyeBrye:

Intel-based OS X machines

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defaultro:

the ones that Apple makes?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah

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defaultro:

i'm so behind :(

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defaultro:

please give me a link to the o.s?

[05:42:25]

defaultro:

how much is it?

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defaultro:

and what machine do I need?

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RyeBrye:

You have to buy a mac to get it :)

[05:42:45]

RyeBrye:

All the current macs are shipping with intel chips

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defaultro:

so not just pc based hardware?

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RyeBrye:

Not legally, no

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defaultro:

ok

[05:43:02]

defaultro:

so, it's just the cpu that is intel

[05:43:16]

RyeBrye:

maybe some other chips too, but yeah – basically just the CPU

[05:43:20]

defaultro:

k

[05:43:33]

RyeBrye:

Mac hardware isn't that bad for what you get

[05:43:37]

RyeBrye:

(price wise)

[05:43:41]

defaultro:

k

[05:43:50]

ShockValue:

hi all.. ive had this annoying issue for quite some time, but have just gotten around to try and fix it.. when watching liveTV, i often get stutters in playback (often on changing to comercial breaks or switching shows, but sometimes in the middle of a program)

[05:43:51]

defaultro:

what about the other topic that they were talking about, msntv-video

[05:43:55]

RyeBrye:

Dunno

[05:44:07]

ShockValue:

Ringbuf(myth:\.......) waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available.

[05:44:12]

RyeBrye:

I have a regular expression filter on my brain that I use to ignore anything with "msn" in it ;)

[05:44:17]

ShockValue:

Checking to see if there' a new livetv program to switch to.

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defaultro:

:)

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ShockValue:

any idea what could be causing this? im parsing the archives, but havent found anything that would "fix" it yet

[05:45:33]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – I'm going to submit a patch to get the fixes osx-packager to work

[05:46:03]

RyeBrye:

I basically started with the one from trunk and had to put various pieces of the one from the fixes branch back in it to get it to work since some files moved aroudn

[05:49:53]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – the upload is complete now

[05:50:22]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: sorry, was on the phone

[05:50:26]

RyeBrye:

np

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tjcarter:

grabbing the fixes

[05:50:39]

tjcarter:

47 MB?

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tjcarter:

yeesh =D

[05:50:47]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, it's zipped too

[05:50:51]

RyeBrye:

it is around 100 megs unzipped

[05:50:59]

RyeBrye:

but that's because it has all of the dependencies in the app bundle

[05:51:06]

RyeBrye:

so you can just double click on it

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tjcarter:

yeah

[05:51:21]

RyeBrye:

I made a diff file for the osx-packager

[05:51:40]

tjcarter:

but you know about my plan to get myth FE/BE into 250 MB with an OS and all =D

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, well – there goes half of that :)

[05:52:03]

RyeBrye:

oyu will ahve to move to shared frameworks and move them out of the app bundle for that

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RyeBrye:

and make some kind of installer instead of just a drag copy app

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tjcarter:

and that doesn't include mythweb, the BE, MySQL, and Linux, X, etc

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RyeBrye:

I think my MySQL DB might be 250 megs by itself

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RyeBrye:

after a while they grow

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tjcarter:

Well actually that's not part of the 250

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tjcarter:

anything you might write to isn't in fact

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RyeBrye:

true

[05:55:24]

RyeBrye:

that would be very limited for recording space :)

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tjcarter:

that's a lot of /usr/share (themes for example)

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tjcarter:

and quite a bit of other stuff too

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tjcarter:

/home, /var, and a bit of /usr/share for sure

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tjcarter:

plus anything that might be in /usr/src

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Rongo:

in knopmyth, what file/script/whatever starts the fronted?

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3926 has the diff to apply to the osx-packager.pl in the fixes branch if you care

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RyeBrye:

tjcarter – once updated with the patch I submitted there, the build should work fine for you

[06:01:56]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – emphasis on SHOULD :)

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defaultro:

hey folks, is mythtv-vid commited now to trunk?

[06:04:54]

RyeBrye:

Rongo – should probably by "mythfrontend" from the command line

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Rongo:

it starts automatically

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Captain_Murdoch:

Greyfoxx, I got it working!! It was the stage2 file. I updated to the stage2 from spacechimp's cf tarball and sound works now.

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** tjcarter waits for it to come up **

[06:13:04]

** tjcarter waits for it to prescale **

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floppyears:

hi guys how is it going ?

[06:13:29]

tjcarter:

hey, that prescale took less than a minute

[06:13:34]

tjcarter:

I'm impressed already!

[06:13:56]

tjcarter:

bluetubelite-wide

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tjcarter:

(I don't dare use non-lite!)

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tjcarter:

I don't have 5 minutes to wait for it to prescale every time I start the damned FE

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** tjcarter so needs to move to trunk ;) **

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tjcarter:

seek bug is dead!

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye, I think this does it =D

[06:17:56]

RyeBrye:

So it's working for you :)

[06:17:58]

RyeBrye:

Good

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RyeBrye:

I'm going to bed now then :)

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tjcarter:

Thanks RyeBrye

[06:18:36]

tjcarter:

This bodes well for moving to trunk

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RyeBrye:

if you get a chance to test taht patch you can post a comment on the ticket to help get it pushed through and applied to the fixes branch

[06:18:49]

RyeBrye:

(the patch on the packager script)

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RyeBrye:

I might put a link to that 0.20-fixes binary on my blog for other people searching for an intel build of it

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RyeBrye:

I think intel builds are hard to find on the web

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tjcarter:

what's the ticket number?

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RyeBrye:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3926

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tjcarter:

3926, got it, thanks

[06:23:06]

RyeBrye:

np

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RyeBrye:

have a good night – enjoy your frontend :)

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robbins876:

I have my movies folder set up on an NFS mount for my remote frontend, i had to reboot the remote frontend for the first time in months and now when i try to mount th movies folder it tells me permission is denied

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robbins876:

what's changed in that reboot that would make it no longer mount my movies?

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tjcarter:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j72/GoldenS . . . 65347152.jpg

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tjcarter:

(it's sfw)

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gbee:

heh

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bjweeks:

does mkiconmap.pl work for anybody? I'm getting an error :(

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** xris grumbles about people using fake email addresses with SD **

[08:10:38]

tjcarter:

xris: why would they?

[08:10:45]

tjcarter:

(and why would SD care?)

[08:11:08]

xris:

why we care? we need some way to contact users for billing/etc...

[08:11:16]

xris:

plus, the subscriber agreement says to do so.

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tjcarter:

I see

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xris:

but mainly, we're held accountable by TMS...

[08:14:22]

gbee:

xris: add email verification?

[08:14:30]

xris:

gbee: I did last night

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gbee:

cool

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xris:

also lets me disable accounts when emails bounce

[08:16:49]

xris:

it's actually a pretty small percentage of accounts with bad email addresses.

[08:16:57]

xris:

just annoys me to see stuff like nobody@loopback.net

[08:17:36]

tjcarter:

haha

[08:17:40]

tjcarter:

yeah

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xris:

wonder if my verification routine catches @example.com

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xris:

people should at least not use REAL domain names when using fake addresses... I know that hormel got really upset with people using stuff like "george@spam.com "

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bjweeks:

haha, that's great

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Tanthrix:

xris: Well, in these times, I'd say that you could do worse than never, ever inputting your e-mail address into any kind of form, anywhere, ever, for spam prevention reasons.

[08:33:01]

xris:

Tanthrix: it's true.. that's why I use a different email address for every site I visit.

[08:34:01]

Tanthrix:

A wise precaution/

[08:34:17]

Tanthrix:

Though, I do get resentful of every damn site needing an e-mail address.

[08:35:16]

Tanthrix:

Everytime I have to think about can I trust the site with my personal account, and if not, should I use my main e-commerce addy, or my complete spam account, etc... Gets old.

[08:35:40]

Tanthrix:

(And at this point I'm already annoyed with having to sign up for some damn forum just to be able to search it)

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** Tanthrix goes and yells at some kids to get off his lawn... **

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xris:

I get so much spam that it doesn't matter anymore.

[08:37:22]

xris:

I've had the same email address since 1995

[08:37:33]

xris:

if I turn off my filters, I probably pull in 2000–4000 spams/day

[08:37:40]

Tanthrix:

Insanity.

[08:37:58]

Dibblah:

If only it was like junk mail.

[08:38:16]

Dibblah:

Wood burning stove + junk mail == profit!

[08:38:22]

Tanthrix:

I get about 10–15 a month due to careful vigilance, and a not too old e-mail account. (Only 7 yeards old)

[08:38:29]

Dibblah:

But you can't recycle bits :(

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tjcarter:

xris: I have moved around a fair bit..

[08:39:17]

tjcarter:

xris: it's too bad, I kinda would have liked to keep one address

[08:39:40]

xris:

tjcarter: I've had forevermore.net for a long time.

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tjcarter:

Although, my original ISP is now Earthlink... *shudder*

[08:40:01]

tjcarter:

I think my bluecherry address has lasted longest

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gbee:

my email verification stuff goes as far as checking the MX record

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tjcarter:

I think my bluecherry account has existed at least back to 2001

[08:45:32]

tjcarter:

it probably predates that

[08:46:05]

tjcarter:

I don't use my login name as an email address anymore, I use tjcarter

[08:46:23]

tjcarter:

kinda "grew up" at some point or something

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tjcarter:

Essentially, the person who had that login name "doesn't exist" anymore,

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xris:

heh

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xris:

I've been using "xris@" for long enough that most people put up with it.

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xris:

anyway, time for me to sleep.

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tjcarter:

yeah but knghtbrd is hard to type

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SiD3WiNDR:

is it? :)

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tjcarter:

and as I said, something kinda happened pretty suddenly (about a year or so) which pretty much changed my personality rather substantially.

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tjcarter:

SiD3WiNDR: Not as hard as SiD3WiNDR is, admittedly ;)

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SiD3WiNDR:

;)

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SiD3WiNDR:

"knightbird without vowels" is indeed easier than "sidthreewindr without e at the end" ;)

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** gbee crosses his fingers and installs the multirec branch **

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gbee:

knightbird or knightbreed?

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gbee:

does it matter? no ... I'll go back to sleep

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tjcarter:

bird

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tjcarter:

didn't fit into 8 chars on an old SunOS box back in the days when people were complaining about Endless September.

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gbee:

heh

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tjcarter:

I remember the big Solaris upgrade..

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tjcarter:

those were the daze..

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gbee:

my nick just got shorter because I was tired of the old one but didn't want to break away from it completely

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tjcarter:

for me, it was that prior to the big changes Thomas Joseph Carter didn't really have an identity, but knghtbrd did.

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tjcarter:

Hell, most of my friends knew me by that nick

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tjcarter:

Even though my name was used widely in Debian, my nick is what was known.

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gbee:

heh, phone number I was using just 20 minutes ago is now "Out of order"

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juski:

morning gbee

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juski:

I think I might've found a bug-ette in the theme code

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juski:

I had a little play with that glassy theme I've left on the shelf last night – changed the background. when mythfrontend loads, the new background is shown until the menu comes up & it's replaced by the old one. cleared the theme cache, changed themes a couple of times & restarted mythfrontend. still loading the new image first & overdrawing it with the old one. bear in mind that both old and new backgrounds are the sa

[09:44:38]

juski:

eh? started mythfrontend on a different session – the vnc server I log into from work & it's got the right background

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juski:

and again, vncing into my 'proper' desktop (vnc on top of vnc) start mythfrontend & now the background is right. WTH?! some caching or something caused it maybe..

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juski:

crazy, crazy bananas

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tjcarter:

And ... CRASH!

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** tjcarter kills Mythfrontend **

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tjcarter:

this isn't something new =D

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gbee:

juski: hmm, odd

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gbee:

morning btw

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gbee:

gnome42 and janneg have got me testing out the multirec branch

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bjweeks:

what is the proper way to get channel icons for .20.2?

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juski:

bjweeks: I'd have thought something involving mythfilldatabase & iconmaps

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: hm, I'm wondering, do you think maybe things like themes should go into Library/Application\ Support/Mythfrontend ? It wouldn't be too hard to set the app bundle to park themes there if they aren't, update things that need it, etc

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: themes don't change a whole lot with new versions..

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tremby:

juski: are you around?

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juski:

why?

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gbee:

juski: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Pear-odyTV-wide.jpg

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juski:

!!!!!!!!!

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tremby:

ah crap

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juski:

damn fire drill just before lunchtime. bastards

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juski:

gbee: how litigious is that theme screenshot then? ;)

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juski:

too close for comfort I'd say, but IANAL

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juski:

so tremby what do you want?

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juski:

ah he's gone. ah well

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quicksilver:

juski: you might be able to claim fair parody (pearody)

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quicksilver:

juski: especially since the theme author is not making money

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quicksilver:

but maybe the parody elements aren't strong enough

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juski:

still haven't made up my mind whether or not I should feel flatterred

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juski:

fair dues though – first screenshot of a 3rd party theme I've seen from an unknown which doesn't suck

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laga:

re

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juski:

I just hope for their sake that apple doesn't go after them. I was a bit twitchy about neon-wide at first but that pear thing takes the biscuit a stage further

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juski:

tremby: what do you want?

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laga:

tremby: so, what's trhe matter?

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tremby:

juski, hey. i was going to tell you that i got an nvidia card. a week or so ago you suggested that might improve my slow tv performance issue

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tremby:

doesn't seem to have made a difference though

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juski:

and?

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tremby:

wondered if you had any other ideas. with some channels i seem to just get a poor frame rate, and with others everything looks perfect for a while (sometimes a few seconds, sometimes a few minutes) and then it goes bad

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laga:

pear tv looks good

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tremby:

same deal with mplayer and with mythtv

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laga:

tremby: um. how does it go bad?

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laga:

tremby: are you using deinterlacing?

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tremby:

framerate suddenly plummets

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tremby:

... i don't know.

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tremby:

i'm using vga->scart though, as you know laga

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laga:

tremby: does it happen on a normal monitor as well?

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juski:

pear tv has put me in a bad mood for the rest of the day. call it envy if you want

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laga:

yeah

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laga:

juski: heh

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juski:

how very DARE other people make themes that don't suck!!!

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laga:

tremby: enable deinterlacing. try kerneldeint...

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tremby:

where's the interlacing options — frontend, backend or elsewhere?

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laga:

tremby: frontend

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juski:

frontend. tv playback settings

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laga:

settings -> tv -> playback

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laga:

today, i shall buy a 22" widescreen tft. and nothing is gonna stop me.

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tremby:

i want to enable deinterlacing even though i'm using vga->scart (interlaced)?

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juski:

heh. I keep seeing the price of the monitor I got increase

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juski:

tremby: yes

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laga:

tremby: yeah. :)

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tremby:

why?

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juski:

because!

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laga:

tremby: because field order and timing can still get missed up

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laga:

unfortunately

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tremby:

ok

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** juski counts the commission he's received from Nvidia this month.. **

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laga:

i use bobdeint with a patch thaz was rejected.. pciture is supersmooth. today, i set up twinview again and now the pciture is bobbing up and down. !!

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laga:

juski: what monitor have you got?

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juski:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=587955

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juski:

it's excellent

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tremby:

laga: you asked if the poor performance happens on a normal monitor too. i haven't tried on one, but when i was using onboard ati through tv-out it was the same. i can watch tv on a mythtv frontend on another machine and it looks great though

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juski:

and it's still over Â£20 more than I paid for it a few months ago.. rofl

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laga:

juski: i can get that one locally for 300â‚¬. hum

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juski:

laga – I paid less :)

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juski:

300 Euros == Â£202, what scan are charging for it today

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laga:

juski: i can get it for 260â‚¬, but i prefer local stores

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juski:

aye. I hate mail order

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laga:

for tfts for sure.

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juski:

arghh why is it that the only people I want to speak to on Facebook aren't on there yet/ever and people I left behind years ago are bothering me?

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juski:

I fscking hate that

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tremby:

oh i had a guy from school track me down on facebook the other week. he won't leave me alone

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laga:

facebook stalking ;)

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tremby:

ok, which deinterlace filter do i want?

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laga:

tremby: kerneldeint for now

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laga:

tremby: or onefield, it's just for testing anyways

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tremby:

"kernel (less motion blur)"

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juski:

whichever looks best for you should be the one you use

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tremby:

ok

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juski:

or if you use xvmc, Bob 2x

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tremby:

i'll have to go downstairs to see if it works...

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tremby:

i should be on standard mpeg2 decoder?

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laga:

juski: bob2x won't work with his moeline, i'm araid

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laga:

afraid*

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juski:

ah well

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laga:

tremby: stadnard mpeg2 is ok for now

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laga:

juski: i'm using a patch to make it work

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tremby:

ok, i'll go downstairs and see. brb

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** juski deletes any evidence of glass-wide **

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juski:

ducking stupid crap

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** juski goes to find some kittens to slaughter **

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laga:

yay, new virtualbox release

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tremby:

hell yes! all appears to be good now!

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gbee:

juski: aww, I liked glass

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tremby:

why did switching on deinterlacing improve performance? that seems counter-intuitive to me

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gbee:

my guess is that your monitor/card could not deal with a frame rate that was less than the refresh rate

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gbee:

but I know F/A about those sort of problems

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laga:

my guess: fields were displayed in the wrong order. this can make playback seem stuttering

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laga:

i had this problem, too. :/

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laga:

mark kendall wrote another deinterlacing filter...

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laga:

tremby: search for postings by knowledgejunkie AT gmail.com on the ML

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laga:

and there are a few other people with related problems as well

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juski:

well I'm out of here. I'm gonna go & sulk somewhere else

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tremby:

haha

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tremby:

laga: i'll check that out if i find anything wrong with it... for now it seems to be spot on

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tremby:

does mythtv play well with beryl/compiz? i was thinking about trying to get it working so i can show linux off

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laga:

tremby: i've got some related bookmarks on my laptop. i can msg them to you later

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tremby:

excellent, thanks laga

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tremby:

i keep logging on, so no fear of losing it

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laga:

k

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laga:

need to find a nice monitor first

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tremby:

best of luck

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laga:

thanks

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juski:

new theme my arse. it's mythcenter with a different menu screen that's all

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gbee:

juski: guess you safely remain king of themes

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juski:

somebody'll come along & knock me off my high horse one of these days

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juski:

my hatred of qtlook.txt is at breaking point now though. it's got to go

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gbee:

well it would have been hard to beat glass

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gbee:

juski: agree with that

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juski:

I've done the majority of the really hard work on my wizard thing now – the data entry

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juski:

so when I come back off my holiday I'll start to pick into those qt widgets I hate so much

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gbee:

I was thinking about it just the other day when I put a finish button into mythweather, it was a myth button, themed no a QT one and it made me wonder what the real obstacle to replacing all the QT buttons etc is

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juski:

there's not really one

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juski:

I mean other than the legacy that things have always been the rubbish qt dropdowns & buttons

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jarle:

DVBChan(0) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed.

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jarle:

What does the "0" indicate?

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jarle:

Does this mean DVB-card 0?

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janneg:

jarle: yes

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jarle:

janneg: thnx...

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jarle:

juski: I have had mythfrontend crashing my machine pretty hard at more or less random while running blootube-wide, however it seems to be pretty stable since I moved back to Gant, can you think of anything that might cause this behaviour (I want to go back to using blootube-wide...)

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jarle:

juski: besides blootube being more memory-intensive, are there other differences that should be considered?

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laga:

jarle: a theme should never crash your box. hardware/driver issue i say

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jarle:

laga: yes, I have been thinking it might be my nvidia driver (latest legacy) that was causing it, but I fail to see why it happens with one theme, and not another...

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quicksilver:

who knows

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quicksilver:

texture size, perhaps?

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quicksilver:

could overflow some internal video driver buffer due to a bug

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Esine:

blootube-wide seems really nice.. I wonder if it would be possible to have smooth transition (like blending) of the images when navigating the menus though

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Esine:

can themes have animation like that?

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oliver9523:

hi, i'm a bit of a noob with myth and linux, can i have myth stream media from a windows share?

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Esine:

oliver9523, yes, samba

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jarle:

DVBRec(1) Warning: Recording will not commence until a PMT is set.

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Esine:

just mount the windows share to anywhere on your linux system and tell mythtv to use that directory

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jarle:

What is a PMT?

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oliver9523:

ah ok cheers, i'll have a go

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Ryushin:

What alternatives to x11vnc are there?

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Esine:

I hear openssh is pretty good

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Esine:

;)

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Ryushin:

Nah, telnet is best.

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Ruleke:

ForwardX11=true :)

[13:32:55]

Ryushin:

I want to take control of the mythdesktop.

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Solv:

Ryushin, I use freenx for any remote graphical control

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Solv:

I tried vnc and it was hopeless...nx is is as efficient as citrix

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Ryushin:

I played with nx a while ago when it was just coming out.

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Solv:

Ryushin, well the official closed source nx now gives away the servers side for linux for free..they have always given away the client for free....it runs pretty flawlessly for me...of course if you are OSS to the core...get the freenx server and client

[13:42:47]

Ryushin:

But does freenx allow me to take control of :0?

[13:43:48]

Ryushin:

Where is the freenx server? I see that debian has the freenx client.

[13:44:07]

Solv:

:0 (I don't know what that means..... don't get on irc enough obviously =)

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Solv:

hmmm...I'll have to look for you...what distro?

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Ryushin:

:0 is the display. How about :0.0 to be more precise.

[13:44:40]

Solv:

ahah

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Ruleke:

Solv: no you don't ;)

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gbee:

jarle: Program Map Table, part of the DVB stream that describes the available streams for each channel

[13:44:55]

Ryushin:

I checked debian, freenx includes the client and the server.

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gbee:

e.g. audio, video, subtitle, data

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Solv:

Ryushin, give it a shot...see what you think anyhows...

[13:46:17]

Ryushin:

Does freenx allow taking control of a current X session?

[13:46:36]

Ryushin:

That's what I'm trying to get at. x11vnc exports the currently running X session.

[13:46:37]

Solv:

Ryushin, hmm....no I think it only creates a new one

[13:46:55]

Ryushin:

Yea, so I'm still in the same boat.

[13:46:57]

Solv:

ah I see....it may be possible...i never had to use it for that

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Ryushin:

I'll see if there is some kind of option to make it do that.

[13:48:11]

Solv:

Ryushin, the people at 'fiire' which make hardware for linuxmce and admin for it...have a set up that allows them to do that...maybe you can find out how they doit?

[13:49:00]

juski:

jarle: sounds like you don't have enough ram

[13:49:16]

Ruleke:

juski: ?

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juski:

I got really sick of people trying to blame my themes on their crappy problems

[13:49:39]

Solv:

your themes suck

[13:49:45]

Solv:

which ones are they anyway? =)

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Ruleke:

oh I suppose that wasn't in response to the PMT question then ;)

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juski:

Solv: STFU

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Solv:

juski, jk

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Solv:

i got no idea which ones are yours

[13:50:08]

juski:

oh yeah cos jokes come over so well in IRC

[13:50:11]

juski:

fucktard

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Ruleke:

hehe

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Solv:

juski certainly has issues

[13:50:42]

Ruleke:

sometimes

[13:50:52]

Solv:

sometimes he is real nice

[13:50:58]

Solv:

or she

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Solv:

don't know actually

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Ruleke:

chemical imbalance ;)

[13:51:20]

Solv:

ah

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Ruleke:

nah I don't know

[13:51:31]

Ruleke:

I've noticed too

[13:51:37]

Ruleke:

He'll read this from the logs anyways ;)

[13:51:42]

Ruleke:

Hi juski :D

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Solv:

hehe

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Esine:

actually I love blootube-wide now that I saw it.. except that it doesn't work too well on 4:3 screen ratio (duh)

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Esine:

the normal blootube just isn't the same as blootube-wide

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Solv:

true

[13:56:17]

Solv:

u better just upgrade to a widescreen

[13:56:17]

Esine:

juski, I was just saying good things about your themes!

[13:56:18]

juski:

Solv: do you want me to withdraw my 'shite' themes then? I will at the drop of a hat – just say so

[13:56:19]

Solv:

=)

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Solv:

juski, you take offence rather easily...i was playing...and made it pretty obvious within 2 seconds...get over it

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juski:

just pay some fucking respect and don't make jokes about my hard work

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juski:

it's beyond rude

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Ruleke:

not used blootube before

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Ruleke:

not enough resources

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Solv:

juski, I DO NOT EVEN KNOIW WHAT YOUR THEMES WERE...IT'S CALLED STIRRING...and you stir very easily

[13:57:35]

Ruleke:

I probably will when I finally build a h264 HD frontend... if that ever happens

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juski:

Solv: osunds more like TROLLING

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Ruleke:

and shouting doesn't help :)

[13:58:34]

Solv:

juski, think what you like...calling me a fucktard to me seems a hell of a lot more offensive than trying to have a friendly joke...

[13:58:48]

juski:

whatever

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Solv:

i didn't realise you had no sense of humour though...so don't worry i won't bother again

[13:59:08]

juski:

hey trying to have a friendly joke != insulting months of hard work

[13:59:35]

Solv:

juski, i saw the one line you wrote...i don't even know the context....

[13:59:57]

Solv:

it was a spur of the moment off the cuff remote...

[14:00:01]

Solv:

reamrk

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juski:

I don't care

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juski:

you should be more careful who you talk to like that

[14:00:41]

Solv:

I will, don't worry....

[14:02:55]

Solv:

Ryushin, http://www.linux.com/feature/54191

[14:03:14]

Solv:

Ryushin, but you can change it to "VNC" to use the FreeNX server as a proxy to a VNC server, or to "Windows" to use the FreeNX server as a proxy to a Windows RDP server.

[14:03:56]

Solv:

Ryushin, so you can use it to speed up the response time, but still use a VNC session...no idea how to make it work though

[14:04:34]

Ryushin:

solv: Thanks. I'm going to have to play with this some more.

[14:05:29]

Solv:

np

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jarle:

juski: I have 1 GIG RAM and 2 GIG swap, it *should* probably be enough, but I do notice that blootube-wide uses quite some ram and it starts swapping a lot... but I would imagine that the kernel was supposed to handle it instead of just killing X...

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Ruleke:

jarle: that's the behaviour you get with an overcommit vmm

[14:08:15]

Solv:

Ryushin, hey check this out...With the recent version, you have the option to login to the "shadow" which is your current session or you can create a fake screen ala terminal services and pick your gui environment, be it Gnome, KDE, Xfce, or whatever.

[14:09:52]

jarle:

Ruleke: what do you mean by overcommit vmm?

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tjcarter:

jarle: blootube-wide also takes forever to prescale, which is particularly annoying if you're running something older than trunk.. I went with the lite-wide version for now for that reason

[14:10:32]

Ruleke:

a virtual memory manager that overcommits memory

[14:10:34]

tjcarter:

0.20 prescales every time the FE starts, which is annoying on a non-dedicated FE box.

[14:10:43]

jarle:

tjcarter: but the prescaling is only done once, isn't it?

[14:10:46]

janneg:

tjcarter: update to 0.20.2

[14:10:56]

Ruleke:

if you're out of memory, drastic measures need to be taken then :)

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janneg:

and it doesn't prescale all images every time but only some

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** mkrufky is still getting updates from zap2it **

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Ryushin:

solv: Recent version of freenx?

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tjcarter:

janneg: yeah, I just did tonight

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tjcarter:

janneg: I have a Mac though, so doing that was nontrivial, -fixes needs a script updated

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Solv:

Ryushin, 3.0 – http://www.nomachine.com/fr/view.php?id=FR10C01069

[14:12:23]

janneg:

tjcarter: it has the same image cache optimizations as trunk

[14:12:27]

Ryushin:

reading.....

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gbee:

mkrufky: it's a holiday Monday over there

[14:12:39]

Solv:

Ryushin, http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR11B00098

[14:12:47]

mkrufky:

gbee: ah, so thats why its all up & running?

[14:12:51]

mkrufky:

hehe

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janneg:

mkrufky: probably

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gbee:

mkrufky: makes sense, would you work a holiday weekend just to hit the 'off' switch? :)

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mkrufky:

i wonder if i can do that survey renawal thing... how many more days i can squeeze

[14:13:15]

Ruleke:

gbee: I noticed, project manager still replied on blackberry hehe... those things must be a curse

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mkrufky:

gbee: certainly not, lol

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mkrufky:

janneg: fc5 --> f7 complete & smooth :-)

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tjcarter:

janneg: I noticed that, actually

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janneg:

mkrufky: just like everyone thought ;)

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tjcarter:

janneg: but RyeBrye's build last night was the first Mac build that isn't the year-old collectivity build that actually works ;)

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Ryushin:

solv: But this isn't for the freenx server right? This is for the commercial version?

[14:15:17]

mkrufky:

janneg: well, i sure did run into problems, but it wasn't anything i couldnt handle

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mkrufky:

hehe ... so yeah, i was worried over nothing

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Solv:

Ryushin, it depends on how quick the freenx version has kept up to date...but you can download the linux commercial version for free neway...and the client of course

[14:16:25]

janneg:

mkrufky: only the missing fonts and the X authentication?

[14:16:48]

mkrufky:

janneg: no, md problems

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mkrufky:

^^ exactly what i was worried about

[14:17:05]

mkrufky:

the drives had shifted all over

[14:17:08]

mkrufky:

but its fine now

[14:17:22]

mkrufky:

the missing fonts was easily solved, just by changing theme

[14:17:24]

Ruleke:

shouldn't the UUID take care of that ?

[14:17:24]

tjcarter:

janneg: I think I'm moving to trunk anyway.

[14:17:47]

tjcarter:

janneg: I'd like to help propel the move to UPnP AV if I can

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mkrufky:

janneg: the "X authentication" problem .... err, is that the error message i posted from mythbackend? it continues to persist, but doesnt seem to affect anything

[14:18:25]

mkrufky:

of course, two of my DVB cards stopped working, but i can troubleshoot that well enough myself :-)

[14:18:34]

tjcarter:

UPnP AV and MySQL should be enough together to make third party FEs practical

[14:18:35]

** mkrufky blames 2.6.22 **

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tjcarter:

which is good, because I want MythBackRow ;)

[14:19:34]

tjcarter:

It's a little hard to make a third party FE when the protocol changes every other month or so

[14:20:01]

janneg:

mkrufky: yes, I think it is an qt bug. it shouldn't care about X but it does for some reasons

[14:20:10]

gbee:

err, yeah, don't bank on direct mysql access, that's will be going away at some point (we just can't say when)

[14:20:36]

mkrufky:

janneg: wierd

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janneg:

mkrufky: can you try if you get the message if you start the backend with empty DISPLAY env variable

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janneg:

DISLPAY="" mythbackend for example

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mkrufky:

janneg: ok will try that in a minute right now, in the meantime, another question:

[14:22:02]

mkrufky:

s/"in a minute"/""

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mkrufky:

;-)

[14:22:40]

mkrufky:

i have a strange occurrence on my newly-built mythfrontend box ........ when i play 720p or 1080i content, i get black bars on top & bottom of the screen, and the content is squeezed vertically .... i have to change aspect to 4:3 in order to get the 16:9 screen to fill properly

[14:23:09]

gbee:

mkrufky: sounds like the stream is incorrectly reporting it's aspect

[14:23:13]

gbee:

its

[14:23:30]

mkrufky:

gbee: it's every recording, that played correctly using the old mythfrontend

[14:24:34]

mkrufky:

janneg: after "export DISPLAY=" and i run mythbackend, it gives the same session management error

[14:26:11]

mkrufky:

i actually wonder if maybe the nvidia driver is reporting the wrong screen geometry to the app

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janneg:

maybe it doesn't detect the screen aspect correctly. start mythfrontend with -v playback and look for Display Rect in the output

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mkrufky:

ok

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janneg:

after starting a recording

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oliver9523:

i've installed mythdora, it was working fine but now when trying to boot it gets stuck at "GRUB loading stage2"?

[14:35:29]

mkrufky:

janneg: Display Rect is reporting 1280 x 540 !

[14:35:43]

mkrufky:

janneg: it should be 1280 x 720

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mkrufky:

(or maybe 1280x1080 — not sure)

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mkrufky:

gbee & janneg: anyway, i have more to add to the problem description: if i try to view a SDTV 4:3 program, is shows stretched horizonatally on the screen

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janneg:

mkrufky: that's the problem

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gbee:

yup

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mkrufky:

janneg: so, what is actually wrong? is X reporting the wrong screen size?

[14:37:34]

janneg:

yes

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Ruleke:

how's h264 PAFF coming in myth ?

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mkrufky:

yet, the window manager is using the exact screen size

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gbee:

it's not, to be precise, it's in ffmpeg and assuming all the bugs have been worked out, the next re-sync should include it

[14:40:09]

gbee:

you'd have to ask janneg about that though, he follows ffmpeg development closer than I do and will probably be the one to do the sync'ing

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mkrufky:

ah, ok... so i shouldnt pull hairs out trying to get this right? new ffmpeg will automatically inherit the bugfx?

[14:40:14]

Ruleke:

yes I know :)

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gbee:

mkrufky: sorry, that was directed at Ruleke

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mkrufky:

oops.. hehe

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Ruleke:

why I specified myth, ffmpeg I can check, for myth it's not that clear to me what gets synced when

[14:41:14]

janneg:

gbee, Ruleke: ffmpeg doesn't support PAFF yet

[14:41:22]

Ruleke:

doh...

[14:41:28]

Ruleke:

thought I saw a patch

[14:41:33]

Ruleke:

must've misread

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gbee:

Ruleke: re-syncs are big affairs and take a lot of work to do, so they don't generally happen that frequently 3/4 times a year maybe

[14:42:22]

gbee:

janneg: hmm, would have sworn they did, obviously getting my wires crossed again

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Ruleke:

bbl

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gbee:

it's as though I follow HD related developments that closely, we're still waiting for it over here

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janneg:

the multi threaded decoder will be merged soon

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gbee:

yeah

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og01:

hi im thinking of purchasing a digital tv tuner card for use with myth tv, im in the uk so will need one that'll work out here, can anybody point me in the right direction of what i need

[14:54:29]

juski:

www.linuxtv.org – the wiki there

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** og01 reads **

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juski:

basically just about anything which isn't a PCI-E dvb-t tuner will do

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og01:

thanks juski

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juski:

USB tuners are a mixed bunch – some are supported – even some of a given name have differring support, so be careful with them

[14:55:45]

juski:

e.g. Freecom USB stick tuners

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og01:

i wont likely want to go with a usb one regardless

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juski:

a good cheap card is the hauppauge nova-t

[14:56:21]

juski:

personally I'd say to avoid kworld/terratec/twinhan

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og01:

a froogle search mainly provided hauppauge cards – so they're easily avaliable

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Inssomniak:

where is the option in setup to enable/disable logos?

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juski:

if in doubt check the linuxtv.org wiki & their mail list arxchive before you buy

[14:57:11]

juski:

Inssomniak: logos?

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Inssomniak:

yea the channel logos?

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og01:

juski: thanks i will

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Inssomniak:

wasnt there an option for that somewhere? if you installed the logos?

[14:57:58]

gbee:

if you want best value and don't mind running the very latest kernels, then a Nova-T 500 is a good buy (dual tuner for only 50% more than a single tuner)

[14:58:45]

gbee:

no option that I know of, but given my record I'll prepare to be proved wrong

[14:59:26]

og01:

thanks gbee that would be a good solution since i was thinking i would need to fork out for atleast 2

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juski:

og01: with the nova-t500 be careful you don't end up with a nova-td500 – they ship em both as the t-500

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juski:

hauppauge will exchange a td-500 for a t-500 no problems though

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og01:

whats the d for?

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janneg:

diversity

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juski:

the td-500 uses a chipset which will never be supported in linux

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juski:

never, or likely never ;)

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og01:

heh so much for diversity then...

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juski:

basically the td500 has 2 aerial inputs & the chip chooses the best signal

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juski:

only it won't work in linux

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og01:

so another way of tell them apart would be to look for the second aerial input in an image?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

it's pretty clean cut though

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juski:

and hauppauge will apparently do a swap if they're told it's for linux. they're nice like that so I hear

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og01:

thats nice :)

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og01:

not bad for ~£60

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og01:

i was expecting to have to spend more than that

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juski:

you'll need to run a really new kernel for it though IIRC

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og01:

thats fine with me

[15:04:44]

juski:

not really a big deal for people with brains ;)

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gbee:

Nova-T 500 can be had from £55 inc delivery if you shop around (Ebuyer, Scan etc), Nova-T is around £35

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og01:

thats cool – I like the price, and since you guys are sujesting the card – it looks like i've found what im looking for – I'll do some reading into it however

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og01:

juski: May i ask why you say not PCI-E – just purely outta interest...

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juski:

no pci-e tuners work in linux yet AFAIK

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laga:

the bridge chips probably are not suupported (yet)

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og01:

surprising – but fair enough

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juski:

not really surprising IMHO. besides there aren't many more than a tiny handful of pci-e tuners anyway

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og01:

I've only just started looking into tuner cards. i have no idea how many PCI-E cards there are, but pci-e is far from new now – is why im surprised.

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laga:

there are still not too many pci cards regardless of device type

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gbee:

the market for these things is still mainly pci, there are most PCI boards out there, people tend to build their media-centres around cheaper or old boards which they have lying around

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gbee:

must be a pretty big number of people out there who are still using machines without any PCI-E

[15:16:52]

DrJack:

The bandwith required for a tuner card is low , so no real need to move to pci-e

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og01:

yes i have an old P4 i was planning on using – so i was going to be tied into pci anyhow

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gbee:

although all the big manufacturers and retailers though that people would upgrade their computers with the release of Vista, that just didn't happen either

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juski:

heheh windows fanboy is back at work. he's gonna uninstall Vista MCE tonight cos it refuses to update its channels

[15:18:28]

Inssomniak:

any company making PCI-E dvb-s ?

[15:18:35]

gbee:

so the uptake of PCI-E based boards is still pretty low

[15:18:47]

gbee:

juski: heh

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og01:

Hmm that Hauppauge nova-t 500 has a rf-receiver ont he back for use with the supplied remote – isnt having it on the back a bit of a awkward location?

[15:19:20]

juski:

he said he scanned once – it found 5 channels. scanned again & it found 12 channels. scanned again yesterday & it found 22 channels

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laga:

juski: how's that different from mythtv? ;)

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gbee:

one thing I've noticed when looking through customer reviews of various laptops/machines lately, _everyone_ says that the first thing they did was uninstall vista and replace it with XP (or linux)

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juski:

og01: RF remote? sounds too fancy for Hauppauge. it'll be an IR thing

[15:19:52]

og01:

yeah sorry my bad io ment IR

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juski:

laga: er.. scan with mythtv & it finds everythign first time everytime?

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gbee:

og01: the actually receiver is on the end of a little cable which plugs into the port on the back

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og01:

aahhh ok – i thought that _was_ the receiver

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og01:

which admitadly wouldnt be of much use

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gbee:

you could run that reciever to anywhere, but for the style concious, I'd recommend feeding it back through the case to the front where you could drill a neat hole or cut a window for it

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og01:

or sence

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og01:

gbee: indeed

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** Tommck notices that nobody seems to be creating packages for slackers still running Ubuntu Dapper Drake **

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juski:

or you could buy a case that already has an IR window.. oh wait there aren't any

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gbee:

Tommck: no? I thought they were. It would have to go through a testing phase though, so would reach repos slower

[15:23:05]

Tommck:

gbee – all I find is Feisty or newer

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gbee:

juski: yeah, they are missing a trick there

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gbee:

Tommck: well I can't help really, when I spoke to the packagers I thought I understood that they'd be backporting it to the last two releases but I don't use Ubuntu and I probably don't read what is said very carefully ;)

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Tommck:

yeah... it's not too bad... I should probably upgrade the OS.. just haven't done that yet

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laga:

Tommck: directhex has a repo for dapper, AFAIK. i don't know the status for dapper

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laga:

Tommck: bug the guys in #ubuntu-mythtv especially superm1

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Tommck:

thanks laga

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d3ity-work:

whats up guys

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juski:

been spending all day avoiding people with numbers in their IRC nick

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d3ity-work:

juski, how's that working for ya?

[15:29:40]

juski:

was going really well until now :P

[15:29:49]

d3ity-work:

juski, glad to see I could help.

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Tommck:

juski – why?

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Tommck:

;)

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laga:

heh

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d3ity-work:

anyway, question for someone involved in the schedules direct project... if there are any of those guys lying around

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laga:

d3ity-work: they have a forum, btw

[15:39:59]

d3ity-work:

laga, I noticed.

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d3ity-work:

I was wondering if there was any sort of timeline for the 20/a year subscription. I'm half considering waiting for that to sign up, however, if there would be a way I could sort of pay it all in advance ($15 for 3 months + $20 for a year or whatever they decide to set pricing at) I'd be willing to do that just to avoid having to make two payments.

[15:42:07]

d3ity-work:

but I suppose I'll have to sign up for the forum when I get home assuming there aren't any of the schedulesdirect guys in here.

[15:42:22]

Tommck:

d3ity-work: why is it a problem making 2 payments?

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clop:

hi, i just got cable, but mythtv isn't seeing the channels in the scanner, is there some guide where i can figure out what to do?

[15:42:50]

d3ity-work:

Tommck, because i'm wierd. I just want to pay it once and be done with it

[15:43:11]

d3ity-work:

Tommck, your using the correct frequency table (us-cable if you're in the states)

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zo0m:

lol then you get to live with the problems i guess for being weird ;)

[15:43:28]

Tommck:

considering that they specifically tell you on their site that you can't pay in advance more than those 3 months, I'm going to go ahead and say that you can't pay in advance farther than those 3 months :)

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d3ity-work:

Tommck, i suppose.

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jams:

d3ity-work- the 20/year depends on how many people signup, so there is no set timeline

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sebrock:

In order to get the frontend running on OS X, is XDarwin explicit to be used or does Apples X-server work?

[15:44:25]

jams:

i swear stating 20/year on the website was a mistake.

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sebrock:

my frontend quits after setting up the ip

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d3ity-work:

jams, understood, but I've got 35–40 bucks here that could all end up in thier hands within an hour if they so choose.

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Tommck:

jams – I agree... should not have set expectations

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d3ity-work:

and if 20 a year doesn't pan out, I'm willing to take whatever time they give me for the extra 20–25

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d3ity-work:

but since they're a new project, I'd like to support them now instead of waiting

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Tommck:

d3ity-work – then support them now by giving them the $15 for 3 months... and let them figure out what they'll need later..

[15:47:27]

Tommck:

doing some sort of prorated rate based on the number of subscribers and a fixed about of money just puts more burden on them

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d3ity-work:

meh, i suppose

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** d3ity-work works for verizon so prorates are very simple to him **

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Tommck:

d3ity-work – prorating stuff is simple... but what if you give them $20 and I give them $35 and someone else gives them $17... then it turns out to be $31/year... ?

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Tommck:

then they have to figure this out for everyone...

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Tommck:

just unnecessary pain

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juski:

pro-rate it according to how many screwups people make & have to re-run mythfilldatabase a day when they set it up :P

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** Tommck wonders why working for any particular company makes prorating easier — it's math **

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sebrock:

is it possible to password-protect a NFS share?

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laga:

no

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laga:

well, probably. using some advanced in nfsv4 maybe

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|Torg|:

you protect it by ip address

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sebrock:

hm so any workaround?

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|Torg|:

static ips

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sebrock:

I need to be able to mount it on different computers all around

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|Torg|:

add an ip for each one

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|Torg|:

if secuirty was easy it wouldn't be secure

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sebrock:

well, I meant SAMBA like

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|Torg|:

you want slower? with less security?

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sebrock:

nono, Im already using NFS

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juski:

more protocol overhead?

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juski:

nifty

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|Torg|:

then put in NIS and LDAP with Kerberos

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sebrock:

but I would like to be able to mount it without having to add IPs all the time

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|Torg|:

like I said NIS with LDAP

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juski:

so export it to a subnet

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juski:

you can do that

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|Torg|:

SFS or AFS and go put in an unstable solution

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sebrock:

nsfv4 is not official then?

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|Torg|:

NIS and LDAP and use a slow and plodding solution

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|Torg|:

you do know the backend streams data unencytped, you can hijack that

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sebrock:

this is somewhat unmyth related, sorry

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** |Torg| considers making a reality tv injector for myth **

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|Torg|:

then put in NIS, its what that was made for

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juski:

this channel is better than reality TV

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juski:

well, if you think more annoying == better :P

[16:04:12]

Dougie:

I was just wondering is there some sort of program for TV tuner stuff without having to install the full MYTHTV setup?

[16:04:21]

sebrock:

maybe I'll do that

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laga:

Dougie: tvtime? kaffeine? xawtv?

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|Torg|:

dvbsnoop?

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Dougie:

laga, thanks I'll give em a try any of those in particular you guys like better then the others?

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|Torg|:

sebrock what is this for anyway?

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juski:

Dougie: this is #mythtv-users. we like to use mythtv here

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laga:

Dougie: tvtime is good for analog tv

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juski:

kaffeine is good for digital tv

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juski:

xawtv is another one good for analogue

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juski:

vnc works as a tv app in some aspects too

[16:06:04]

sebrock:

Torg, mounting from my school, secure

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juski:

oops er.. VLC

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Dougie:

hmm may just install myth but last time it didn't go so well :)

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|Torg|:

sebrock from your school over what?

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juski:

Dougie: RTFM before setting out to install mythtv – works much better than stabbing random keys ;)

[16:06:35]

sebrock:

a remote NFS mount

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juski:

sebrock: yeah – over what kind of connection?

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|Torg|:

vpn to dmz, skey to lan, nis mount mfs

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sebrock:

1 gigabit

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Dougie:

juski, i did thanks

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sebrock:

or acutally 40 gigabit

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|Torg|:

btw NFSs unoffical name is Not For Speed

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** juski is confused. how anybody could rtfm & still fail to get mythtv worky. hey ho **

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|Torg|:

NIS and LDAP are probbly the best way to do it, its technology that is about 30 years old

[16:07:55]

Yahooadam:

juski – its very easy :p the manual is complicated :p

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sebrock:

ok I'll check it out, thanks!

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|Torg|:

juski were it not for the fact irc is text based I would swear half the users who come here were illiterate

[16:08:12]

juski:

Yahooadam: no it isn't. everybody else must just be thick

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Dougie:

it was a few months back and i got it working just had issues with something i believe

[16:08:45]

|Torg|:

Yahooadam mythtv is about the easiest thing I know to compile short of a kernel

[16:08:51]

juski:

"hey guys I have this error message – what does it mean?" then they post yet another plain English message

[16:08:58]

Yahooadam:

who said anything about compiling :p

[16:09:02]

Dougie:

not even sure if i can get this tv tuner working in linux which is part of what i wanted a tuner app first

[16:09:05]

Yahooadam:

setting it up is the bitch :p

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|Torg|:

if you like I will show you packages that break other things on install, source code that you have to congfigure then hack the install, and shit that cant compile on gcc4 but can on gcc3

[16:09:34]

|Torg|:

setting up myth was more then easy

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Yahooadam:

are u in the US torg ?

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Cry_wolf2:

juski: Maybe put "Select users from mythtv-users where clue > 0" in topic :=)

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|Torg|:

Texas to be exact, yes

[16:10:13]

|Torg|:

you can tell that by my netmask btw, its not a secret

[16:10:21]

juski:

Yahooadam: there might well be a UK channel config script (ver 1.0) by the end of the week

[16:10:22]

Yahooadam:

that requires knollege of IRC :p

[16:10:27]

Yahooadam:

w00t :D

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juski:

I said MIGHT

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Yahooadam:

slightly less w00t

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juski:

and I go on holiday on Friday

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Yahooadam:

oh cool, where u heading ?

[16:10:58]

Cry_wolf2:

..then you will have more coding times...yes ?

[16:11:04]

juski:

somewhere hotter & sunnier than manchester

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Yahooadam:

he he :)

[16:11:16]

Yahooadam:

i went to wales for a weekend

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Yahooadam:

its quite nice down there

[16:11:30]

Yahooadam:

very sunny, not nerd friendly :p

[16:11:58]

Yahooadam:

wtf is goin on

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Yahooadam:

im trying to setup my DVB-T – but its not brining up the questions in the console

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|Torg|:

dvbscan and tzap dont work?

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sebrock:

Torg which one would you prefer? Looks like LDAP is my choice...

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Yahooadam:

im setting up the video source

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|Torg|:

which would I prefer? you mean for NFS, a firewall and securred network subnetted from my actual netowkr and layer 2 switches

[16:13:51]

Yahooadam:

using tv_grab_uk_rt – which is supposed to configure in the console

[16:13:53]

Yahooadam:

but it isnt

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Dougie:

ok in my device manager it says "SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder" This is my tuner correct?

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|Torg|:

tv_grab is for xmltc listings, not setting up your card

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sebrock:

I mean simply for authenticating remote mounts

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|Torg|:

yes sebrock, NIS

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sebrock:

ok

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|Torg|:

LDAP is how you store the passords, its a database

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|Torg|:

Network Information Services

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|Torg|:

you may see it called Yellow Pages, Bell took exception to that even tho NIS predates the tradebark on a phone boox

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Cry_wolf2:

Isn´t ldap more the protocoll för accessing the database ?

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|Torg|:

ldap IS a database

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|Torg|:

its an object relational databse rather then a data relational one

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|Torg|:

you store objects in it acording to schema rahter then data in it accoring to columns

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|Torg|:

its very good for random access fast lookups, very bad for mass data

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|Torg|:

very easy to set up, a bitch to modify later on

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Cry_wolf2:

Well, MS use AD as database and novell use eDirectory as database but they all use ldap..

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|Torg|:

yes, and it may be what it is called, rather then what it is, like dvb

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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|Torg|:

you get things out of ldap asking for OU=, O=, etc

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|Torg|:

you get things from a relational databse by askign Select * from

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Yahooadam:

when i try to setup my DVB-T video source, i just get this

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Yahooadam:

channel grampiantv.co.uk (34) not seen on site at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 216.

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Yahooadam:

channel 3.premier.sky.com (259) not seen on site at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 216.

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Yahooadam:

Finished configuration.

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|Torg|:

and MS calls their LDAP implimention AD, and they modifed it a bit (molested is probably a better word), They let eveyon think they invented it, just like they let everyone think the invented kerberos

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|Torg|:

MS is very well known for "enhaincing" protocals, and breaking standards, just so only their software works withit

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Cry_wolf2:

hmm.. no they call their Directory Service AD

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Cry_wolf2:

An use LDAP to get data from it

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|Torg|:

what we are arguing about is wether mysql is a sql server

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Yahooadam:

theres a question it isnt ?

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|Torg|:

is ad an ldap server?

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|Torg|:

or do we use SQL to talk to mysql

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Yahooadam:

MySQL is a RDMS – you feed it sql commands and it returns you data from its database

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Cry_wolf2:

|Torg|: something like that :=)

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Yahooadam:

i dunno where i was going with this ... *shuts up*

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|Torg|:

Cry_wolf2 is correct, LDAP is actually just the protocal. However like we refer to a database we talk SQL to as a SQL database we call a database we talk LDAP to an LDAP databse

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|Torg|:

so Cry_wolf2 you are correct

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Cry_wolf2:

Probably the first and last time in this channel

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Yahooadam:

ha ha :p

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** juski will be doing some perl-fu tonight **

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Yahooadam:

juski

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Yahooadam:

any ideas on my problem ? :(

[16:28:49]

Yahooadam:

ure a UKian :p

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juski:

I could tell you what I think the problem is but it'd be rude

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Yahooadam:

me ? :p

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** juski is saying nowt **

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juski:

I'll concede that dvb-t with the radiotimes grabber can be a pain to grasp wth is going on

[16:29:42]

Yahooadam:

when i goto the video source setup

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Yahooadam:

press finish

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Yahooadam:

and its supposed to ask questions in the console

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Yahooadam:

but it isnt ...

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juski:

esp with the fact that the grabber inserts impotent channels the 1st time you run mythfilldatabase

[16:30:19]

juski:

Yahooadam: probably because the config already exists

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Yahooadam:

it just gives me a console full of this

[16:30:46]

Yahooadam:

channel 3.premier.sky.com (259) not seen on site at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 216.

[16:30:46]

juski:

it'd be easier to hand-edit the .xmltv file in ~/.mythtv/ and populate it with 'channel $xmltvid' lines

[16:31:01]

juski:

and put the xmltvids into the channel table yourself

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juski:

that's what I do – saves a lot of peeing about

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|Torg|:

thanks juski I just went thought that perl script and came to the same conclusion

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juski:

and I feel so sorry for UK users having to wade through the confusion I'm making that wizard thingy

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Yahooadam:

yeah but my DVB-T.xmltv file in ~/.mythtv/ is empty :(

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juski:

Yahooadam: step 1. go into mythtv-setup's channel editor, or the channel editor in mythweb

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juski:

populate the channels you want guide data from uk_rt for with xmltvids

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juski:

then edit the $videosource.xmltv file in ~/.mythtv/

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juski:

or maybe not ~ but the home dir of the user mythfilldatabase will always be run as

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Yahooadam:

in the channel editor

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Yahooadam:

i did the channel scan b4, and have a list of channels

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|Torg|:

actually juski if im reading the perl right Yahooadam is suffering from the opposite, he has a channel that has an xmltvid that INST on RT

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juski:

Yahooadam: the channels you scanned will not have xmltvids yet

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|Torg|:

warn "channel $_ ($xmltv_to_rt{$_}) not seen on site"

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|Torg|:

if not exists $channels{$_};

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juski:

|Torg|: ignore the 'channel missing' messages

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juski:

they're by the by

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Yahooadam:

ok some of the channels have an XMLTV id, and most dont

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gbee:

|Torg|: channel missing messages are internal to the grabber, they have nothing to do with the users' setup

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|Torg|:

ok juski I was just trying to figure out the error Yahooadam was getting, I of course do not use RT to get my listings, nor do I use any xmltv_grab script

[16:35:29]

laga:

bis spÃ¤ter

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laga:

oops, sorry

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juski:

Yahooadam: I suspect the ones which do have the xmltvid set are duff – look to see if they have a serviceid

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juski:

if they have no serviceid or mplexid, delete em

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Yahooadam:

the service id's are all 0

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gbee:

all it means is that the version of the grabber is no longer in sync with the RadioTimes website, which isn't a major concern normally

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|Torg|:

ok gbee all I was doing is reading the perl and determineing how to get it to print the error, not why, just how

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Yahooadam:

for the channels with an XMLTV id

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juski:

I wouldn't care but we've needed a channel setup wizard in the UK for ages now

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juski:

Yahooadam: delete all of them that have xmltvids then

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|Torg|:

so write one juski :)

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gbee:

we need to stop adding channels from XMLTV data, it causes more problems than it solves with DVB/ATSC

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juski:

gbee: it only happens when a channel is in the xmltv file but not in the database

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|Torg|:

gbee you run ATSC cards in the UK?

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juski:

|Torg|: DVB-T

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|Torg|:

thats what I thought

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: think they would give you an XML/text feed ?:)

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gbee:

juski: true

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juski:

it's really confusing

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Yahooadam:

ok so i now only have channels without xmltvid's but with serviceid's

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juski:

hence my wizardry thing

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: they already do, we get our own CSV feed especially for XMLTV

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GreyFoxx:

nice

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juski:

Yahooadam: cool. now whatever channels you want to have guide data for, lookup their xmltvid and put the correct xmltvid into the channel table

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gbee:

but of course it doesn't include digital tuning information, so the default behaviour of mfdb, which means inserting channels, is pointless and just a little confusing

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Yahooadam:

ok ... and wheres a good place to get said xmltvid's from ?

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juski:

xmltvids can be found my tv_grab_uk_rt --list-channels (IIRC) or by looking in the /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids

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Yahooadam:

ok got it :)

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juski:

when you've got the xmltvids in the database, then edit the $videosource.xmltv file but make sure to ONLY include channels you gave xmltvids in the database or less – no MORE

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gbee:

the channel_ids file is better

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gbee:

don't include channels that you don't actually receive, or want data for

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juski:

I can go a few ways with my wizard. maybe the 1st iteration will be for freeview

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Yahooadam:

when i did tv_grab_uk_rt --list-channels i gotchannel 3.premier.sky.com (259) not seen on site at /usr/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 216.

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Yahooadam:

anything to worry about

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Yahooadam:

?

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gbee:

Yahooadam: just use the channel ids file

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juski:

certainly don't include xmltvids for any more channels than you put xmltvids in the database for

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gbee:

but no, nothing to worry about

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juski:

Yahooadam: nothing to worry about

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Yahooadam:

whers the channel ID's file :S

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juski:

I said so

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gbee:

/usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids

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gbee:

locate channel_ids

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juski:

pay attention 003.5

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Yahooadam:

ah kk thx :)

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juski:

now then – the somewhat tricky bit can be working out which bBC1, BBC2 and ITV1 xmltvid to use

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juski:

this is one of the things my wizard will excel at :-P

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Yahooadam:

he he :)

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juski:

500 lines of data just for that alone :-\ bloody moronic

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Yahooadam:

mine should be the south east ones i think

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XLV:

i know its offtopic, but #cygwin seems dead, anyone here installed latest cygwin? bash.exe crashes right after downloading packages and starting postinstall, xp sp2 all latest patches, on two systems, c2d and a64 x2

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|Torg|:

juski do you have DVB-T channels in HD like I have ASTC ones with one channel being WFAA-HD and its SD varient in WFAA

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juski:

|Torg|: No mythable HDTV in the UK

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juski:

well there's a BBC HD channel on satellite but I won't count that yet

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tjcarter:

is there any way to set record level by input rather than by program?

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|Torg|:

yes XLV I just updated my cygwin this morning other then it complaining my setup.exe and setup.ini were out of date, everything else is

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tjcarter:

er, record volume level

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juski:

certainly no HDTV available through an aerial yet

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|Torg|:

juski, damn

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tjcarter:

one of my inputs needs 100 (or more slightly) for the cable box, the other is just fine at 80

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juski:

it'll be *years* before HD comes to the masses in the UK, if ever

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tjcarter:

juski: by then, MythTV will be able to record it in the US ;)

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** juski refuses point-blank to buy into Murdoch **

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juski:

Murdoch's blockyvision (tm)

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|Torg|:

so, and this is theortical, if someone was to download say an HD eppisode of Torchwood, where would it have come from?

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juski:

BBC HD probably

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|Torg|:

DVB-S?

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juski:

though it'd be easy to tell since they have DOGs

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juski:

more than likely a US Cable network ;)

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|Torg|:

whats DOGs?

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juski:

Digital Onscreen graphics / screenjunk

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|Torg|:

the logo?

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juski:

aye

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juski:

god I hate them

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|Torg|:

it theoriticly would look like a BBC logo

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tjcarter:

juski: Torchwood in HD? Not on any US cable network I have seen =D

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juski:

duh what channel am I watching?! (presses a button.. ahh yes)

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|Torg|:

and im not entirely certin it was HD or more like widescreen PAL like that video you sent me

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juski:

like the BBC HD logo ;)

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Yahooadam:

wtf is BBCi ?

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Yahooadam:

cant find it in the channelid list

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juski:

Yahooadam: BBCi is the red button stuff

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tjcarter:

juski: In the US, the screenjunk now includes advertising.

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Yahooadam:

ignore that on ?

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juski:

it doesn't have an xmltvid. it's not a real channel

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Yahooadam:

kk :)

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juski:

not in the sense of it being a channel with programmes

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tjcarter:

some annoying channels mix in audio into the program as well

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tjcarter:

bastards

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|Torg|:

Ive also seen coimericals in 1080I with pillarboxing encoded into the frames, with AC3 sound with 2 channels

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juski:

I started looking at ohloc thingy site last night – pretty amazing stuff – shows you what a OSS project is 'worth' & fings

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juski:

ah ohloh, not ohloc

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XLV:

|Torg|, can you make anything of this error signature : AppName: bash.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: cygwin1.dll ModVer: 1005.24.0.0 Offset: 0000365f ?

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juski:

jees. yamp, who works on mediaportal is reckoned to have modified over a million lines of code

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XLV:

btw i tried testdisk and photorec that both use cygwin1.dll and they both crash

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juski:

oh and a good one for anyone who knocks mythtv.. the quick & dirty calc that it'd cost over $14 million to write mythtv from scratch

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|Torg|:

how did you come up with that number?

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juski:

http://www.ohloh.net/projects/110?p=MythTV

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juski:

where are they getting this from though.. "Apple Public Source License may conflict with GPL"

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|Torg|:

XLV I have never ran across that, google search shows it as a library problem

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Yahooadam:

what are these channels im getting, "callsign" 301, 302, 303, 305

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|Torg|:

cygwin1.dll is the kitchen sink dll for cygwin, its why develoers go to MinW

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tjcarter:

juski: You should not mix GPL and APSL code, yes

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juski:

Yahooadam: there's used by BBCi among others. just leave em

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Yahooadam:

delete them or leave them as is, without xmltv ?

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juski:

leave em as is

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juski:

handy for recording red button stuff

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juski:

gigs, sports.. all sorts of things on there

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Yahooadam:

kk

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juski:

radio 1 event coverage, stuff like that

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juski:

over xmastime they put Jo Whiley's live lounge recordings on – some decent performances there

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juski:

when Glasto was on I had my mythbox working overtime :P

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Yahooadam:

:p

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juski:

viva la BBC!

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Yahooadam:

why cant i find "Channel 4+1"

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Yahooadam:

?

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juski:

the xmltvid for it you mean?

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juski:

your grabber is out of date

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juski:

a workaround for that would be to hand-edit the channel_ids file

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Yahooadam:

ugh !

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Yahooadam:

hows it out of date <_<

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juski:

because channel4+1 is newer than that file

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juski:

nobody knew about it when that ver of xmltv grabber was released :P

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Yahooadam:

:(

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Yahooadam:

how do u update it ?

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juski:

install a newer version, or just update the file yourself

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juski:

safer to grab a newer version IMHO

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Yahooadam:

of mythtv ?

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juski:

of xmltv

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Yahooadam:

hmm, im sure i installed that from ubuntu's repositories

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Yahooadam:

so it should update it if there was a newer version right ?

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juski:

I'd remove ubunut's version & just install a snapshot from xmltv themselves

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Yahooadam:

well ill see if this works b4 i mess with that :p

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juski:

oh fork

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juski:

http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/channels.dat is empty!

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Yahooadam:

:o ?

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juski:

means the grabber is broken

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juski:

from their end

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Yahooadam:

is that why it wouldnt work for me ?

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juski:

no guide data, no nuffink

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juski:

it's never usually down long

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Yahooadam:

ok

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juski:

tv_grab_uk_bleb was broken for _months_ last time it went down IIRC

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Yahooadam:

ive put the xmltvid's in for the channels i have

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Yahooadam:

into the mysql database

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juski:

Yahooadam: right.

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juski:

what's your videosource called?

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Yahooadam:

DVB-T

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juski:

you need to make a file called DVB-T.xmltv & put it in the .mythtv dir within the home dir of the user mythfilldatabase will be run as

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juski:

inside the file should be a bunch of lines going like this

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juski:

channel xmltvid

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juski:

channel xmltvid

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juski:

but only with xmltvids you put into the db

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Yahooadam:

the file is there already

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Yahooadam:

but its empty

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juski:

so edit it

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Yahooadam:

so lets say

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Yahooadam:

BBC FOUR Â NULL Â knowledge.bbc.co.uk

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Yahooadam:

i would put in the xmltv file

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Yahooadam:

channel knowledge.bbc.co.uk

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juski:

bingo

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juski:

right I'm going homeski

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juski:

BIAB

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Yahooadam:

k done

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Yahooadam:

now run mythfilldatabase ?

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Yahooadam:

still there juski ?

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Yahooadam:

obviously not, ran it, and the listings are all empty

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Yahooadam:

joy

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Cry_wolf2:

Sick Sick Sick http://www.mbsca.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39516

[18:01:58]

Cry_wolf2:

oops...don´t mind me

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juski:

Yahooadam: as long as radiotimes.com's channels.dat file is empty, mythfilldatabase will fail to populate the EPG data

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juski:

it isn't normally down for long – a few days at most

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Yahooadam:

ah kk

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Yahooadam:

a few days ? :'(

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juski:

the price you pay for free guide data

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Yahooadam:

its not like we can even pay for it !

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juski:

if you have a TV licence you could argue we already do pay for it, but let's not even go there

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Yahooadam:

i wouldnt even mind paying a few Â£ a month, if we had a system like on MCE

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Yahooadam:

just type in your postcode and it does it

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Yahooadam:

if i make another video source, using EIT

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gbee:

technically the radiotimes site is operated by their commercial arm, BBC Worldwide and not by the license payer funded entity, but generally I've found them to be pretty helpful in the past when I've emailed them about problems

[18:09:17]

Yahooadam:

will it mess up my current source ?

[18:10:20]

gbee:

Yahooadam: you can use EIT with the same source

[18:11:06]

juski:

Yahooadam: you know this wizard thing I keep rabbitting on about?

[18:11:13]

gbee:

both xmltv and EIT can be used at the same time for the same source

[18:11:15]

juski:

type in your postcode etc :P

[18:11:24]

Yahooadam:

nice :)

[18:11:34]

gbee:

oohhh! That's what it will do!

[18:11:35]

Yahooadam:

how do u know what channels people can get ?

[18:11:37]

gbee:

;)

[18:11:42]

juski:

I don't have very much left to do now. The majority of the donkey work is done

[18:11:53]

Yahooadam:

it would help if i could VNC into my server – GRRR

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juski:

Yahooadam: research and a LOT of hand-editing data files

[18:12:22]

gbee:

Yahooadam: by packages/lineups, e.g. Freeview channels, Virgin M,X,XL packages, SKy etc

[18:12:28]

juski:

if I was a big nasty egotist (ahem!) I could claim to be the saviour of Uk channel setting up :P

[18:12:47]

juski:

somebody needed to do this and I decided to be the one

[18:12:57]

Yahooadam:

ill give you that credit if it works :p

[18:13:43]

juski:

the initial plan will be to prove the concept with some gnarly perl scripts, then put the data up somewhere. exactly how the final plan is executed isn't known yet, but the data is stored in xml format so anything can parse it easily

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gbee:

apiconfig stuff for xmltv should make the process easier for everyone using xmltv, but juski's stuff will be better yet for the UK

[18:14:29]

juski:

my intention is that it'll be taken up all over the place

[18:14:49]

juski:

getting the initial data is the hardest part really

[18:14:59]

Yahooadam:

UK users are getting ignored by mythtv :(

[18:15:07]

gbee:

I should really get around to the apiconfig integration, it's not actually that hard at all, just need to spend a couple of nights working on it

[18:15:15]

juski:

Yahooadam: and what I'm doing is ignoring UK mythtv users eh?

[18:15:26]

juski:

I'm doing this *because* of UK mythtv users

[18:15:27]

Yahooadam:

your not like a mythtv dev ... are u ?

[18:15:31]

juski:

aye

[18:15:41]

Yahooadam:

oh ok :p

[18:15:42]

gbee:

Yahooadam: hardly, the interactive TV stuff was written precisely for the UK

[18:15:42]

juski:

have been for ages and it was made official in June

[18:16:14]

juski:

I'm a massive advocate of getting stuck in and not whining "wah I can't code but"

[18:16:19]

juski:

;)

[18:16:31]

Yahooadam:

./shrug :p

[18:16:39]

gbee:

a lot of the DVB and EIT features and improvements were solely done for the UK (because we're one of the few countries that uses all the features of DVB)

[18:16:42]

Yahooadam:

if i coded all the things i wanted to, i would need 5 more hands

[18:17:03]

Yahooadam:

and 3 more screens, and some extra eyes, but you see the point :p

[18:17:07]

juski:

oh god I'm not suggesting for a second there's no gap in my coding ability vs what I want to do

[18:17:17]

gbee:

Yahooadam: you only have to do one thing – if everyone did that one thing, well you get where I'm going

[18:17:31]

juski:

but what I have done so far fills me with awesome pride, even if it did only amount to 56 lines of c++

[18:17:45]

|Torg|:

has anyone migrated from a signle recording directory to storage groups?

[18:17:51]

Yahooadam:

well there are quite a few programs i would like to make for ogame, i was tempted to become a mapper/programmer for some source games, plus a whole host of other things

[18:18:18]

Yahooadam:

when i learn some more programming languages i might be able to do somthing :p

[18:18:43]

gbee:

we've four developers living in the UK and a couple more in Europe, all of us are working towards improving things for the users outside North America :)

[18:18:58]

Yahooadam:

its good to know :)

[18:19:04]

gbee:

|Torg|: sure

[18:19:17]

Yahooadam:

IMO, the current improvment i would like to see, is myth-setup running from the console <_<

[18:19:33]

juski:

in some ways I'm glad mythtv isn't very easy to get into developing. there are a lot of people with some very silly ideas out there ;)

[18:19:51]

Yahooadam:

if i knew more about consoles, and how to program and debug in linux, i could probably do it

[18:20:01]

|Torg|:

gbee I have to move one set of recordings and want to spread it out over three disks (what used to me raid5 2+1 set). should I copy everyting to one directory and let myth sort it out or shoudl I distrbute it and go edit the file locatiosn in the database?

[18:20:13]

juski:

Yahooadam: easy to do even with perl. problem would be keeping it maintained in step with developments in the GUI

[18:20:18]

gbee:

yeah, don't think that one will happen anytime soon – really isn't much interest in it amoungst the core devs, but if someone wants to do the work and submit a patch it wouldn't get refused

[18:20:45]

Yahooadam:

IMO, its a bit of an odd system, your better doing the command line and updating the GUI to that, rather then having 2 seperate systems

[18:21:18]

gbee:

|Torg|: setup the new locations through mythtv-setup first, then you can move recordings between the locations and myth will find them automatically

[18:21:20]

Yahooadam:

alot of the linux apps are done that way, u allways have a command line, but then they bolt a GUI on

[18:21:39]

|Torg|:

thanks gbee alot easier then I thought :)

[18:22:17]

|Torg|:

it will take a few more steps tho, first I have to copy them to the IDE disk that is holds the mount points for the 3 sata disks, but other then that it should be ok

[18:22:22]

Yahooadam:

it would make alot more sense to configure from the frontend tbh

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Yahooadam:

its all stored in a SQL database anyway, so its not really that hard to do

[18:22:40]

gbee:

|Torg|: should be that easy, just possible that you'll run into a problem but don't panic when that happens, it won't be hard to sort out

[18:22:55]

gbee:

|Torg|: just add the new locations under the default storage group!

[18:23:02]

|Torg|:

its not a matter of panic, if I have to ill edit the sql by hand

[18:23:44]

|Torg|:

I had to rob the disk from my slave to put in the master to use as the IDE mountpoint, so after I do the master I have to go set up automiunt to NFS mount the drives for the slave

[18:23:49]

gbee:

|Torg|: that's the one thing you won't have to do with luck

[18:24:01]

|Torg|:

its not a matter of screwing it up im worried about its what is the fastest way to do this

[18:24:24]

|Torg|:

copying ATSC 1080I recordings even over sata to IDE is still painfull

[18:25:05]

juski:

|Torg|: I find rsync very handy for copying massive swathes of stuff

[18:25:22]

|Torg|:

hmm I forgot about that cpio barfs on file size

[18:25:30]

|Torg|:

altho the copy is about 1/2 done now

[18:25:39]

juski:

might not be the fastest tool in the box but I really like its verbosity

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juski:

I found that cp was guilty of not checking what it copied sometimes too

[18:26:11]

|Torg|:

anything that is doing it will be single threaded as they are sequential reads, good thing is ill defrag as I copy :)

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biohazd:

hi guys

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Inssomniak:

Im just tryign to use SD for the first time, but I get errors running mythfilldatabase: Did not find any new program data.

[18:26:42]

gbee:

Yahooadam: frontend doesn't have access to the hardware on the backend, you can't detect cards or other system information – only way to handle that would then be to create a protocol to share that information between the frontend/backend (lot of work and hassle to get right)

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|Torg|:

ttruthfully im only half worried abut preserving the data, its just my wifes recordings she refuses to delete :)

[18:27:01]

Yahooadam:

hmmm

[18:27:16]

Yahooadam:

well i dunno about u, but i dont see why a backend should have a head

[18:27:19]

|Torg|:

risk vs benefit, work vs complaints its a matter of balancing the two :)

[18:27:21]

gbee:

much easier and without any real impact on system performance to just install X on the backend and use X11 forwarding over ssh

[18:27:29]

Inssomniak:

schedulesdirect does support ATSC channels ?

[18:27:33]

gbee:

Yahooadam: doesn't need it, mine don't

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|Torg|:

yes Inssomniak

[18:27:43]

Yahooadam:

the backend should have been programed to never need a head

[18:27:46]

Inssomniak:

It didnt work at all for me |Torg|

[18:27:49]

gbee:

like I said, X11 forwarding

[18:27:50]

Yahooadam:

but u do need it to setup mythtv gbee

[18:27:58]

gbee:

no you don't

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Yahooadam:

you need a gfx card to run X11 though

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|Torg|:

nope

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juski:

no you don't

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inaety-away is now known as inaety-sale

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Yahooadam:

:o

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juski:

X11 is just a client that connects to a server. doesn't necessarily have to be a local one ;)

[18:28:43]

|Torg|:

you need a graphics card to run the fronted, or X server. The apps like mythtv-setup are run on the remote site

[18:28:54]

|Torg|:

the only thing the remote site HAS to have of X11 is the fonts

[18:29:22]

|Torg|:

you can run the frontend on a windows box with that, putty and xming

[18:29:40]

Yahooadam:

well atm i have to have gdm on my backend, and then i can VNC in to see it

[18:29:56]

|Torg|:

you can configure a backend like that, neither of my backends have monitors

[18:30:11]

|Torg|:

gdm is not necessary, but nice to have

[18:30:15]

juski:

my backend's monitor is only ever plugged in when I need to oversee a reboot

[18:30:29]

juski:

a very rare occurrence

[18:30:36]

|Torg|:

I just rob a monitor from my desktop, like now

[18:30:37]

Yahooadam:

so how do u set it up to not need gdm ?

[18:30:48]

|Torg|:

gdm is gnomes display manger

[18:31:03]

|Torg|:

you dont need a display manger, dont need a window manager, all you *need* is X

[18:31:36]

|Torg|:

gdm is nice becase it can auto start the display, then of course so could a bash script

[18:31:58]

Yahooadam:

meh whatever, i cba to fck it all up now

[18:32:00]

Yahooadam:

it works

[18:32:51]

juski:

need to look in my email archive to find out what the respective xmltvids for the UK TV regions are

[18:32:52]

|Torg|:

you can redirect the login too, I can make my linux boxes look like solaris and vice versa with xdmcp

[18:33:08]

Yahooadam:

linux confuses me soo much :(

[18:33:30]

|Torg|:

in fact splitting the display from the apps is a VERy old concept and there are X display only devices that you can find that are very old

[18:33:30]

Yahooadam:

probably cos i dont use it much cos im pretty locked into windows

[18:33:45]

|Torg|:

look up dumb terminals

[18:33:52]

gbee:

juski: in the channel_ids file no?

[18:34:47]

Yahooadam:

ok heres one i really want an answer too

[18:34:58]

Yahooadam:

i have all my music on my backend, mounted in /srv/Music

[18:35:08]

juski:

gbee: there's a naming convention difference

[18:35:12]

|Torg|:

people prefer windows over linux for the same reason people buy cars based upon the stereo and how the car looks

[18:35:17]

juski:

I dunno wth 'oxford' is etc

[18:35:21]

Yahooadam:

i ran mythmusic on a frontend, but had to mount a smbfs to scan for the music

[18:35:38]

Yahooadam:

is there a way to get mythmusic to be run as a sort of backend, with a frontend on the mythtv frontend ?

[18:35:45]

juski:

nope

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Yahooadam:

why is all my music showing up on mythweb then :S

[18:36:14]

|Torg|:

plugisns serve mythfrontend and have to be accessable by it, likewise with any files for video or music

[18:36:27]

|Torg|:

becasue it is stored in the database

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Yahooadam:

but whats the point in being able to see it, if its only valid on 1 mythmusic frontend ?

[18:37:11]

|Torg|:

many people run their frontends diskless

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|Torg|:

all storage is centrally located

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Yahooadam:

yeah thats what i have

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|Torg|:

there are people who run both the FE and BE on the same box, I would guess those users are predominant too

[18:38:15]

gbee:

Yahooadam: from 0.21, hopefully, you won't need to mount the remote drive, it will be handled through the backend using upnp (assuming I get the time to finish the changes)

[18:38:25]

|Torg|:

if it bothers you put it all on one server and nfs share it to the Fes

[18:38:52]

Yahooadam:

all my music is on my mythtv backend, in /srv/Music

[18:39:01]

Yahooadam:

on the FE i can mount that using SMBFS

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|Torg|:

gbee I sorta like the storage non centralised, my master be is tunign into a space heater

[18:39:10]

gbee:

I'd recommend nfs over samba, imho samba should only really get used for Windows <-> Linux shares

[18:39:12]

Yahooadam:

but if i scan, the music is only valid on the frontend

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Yahooadam:

nfs = ?

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|Torg|:

Network File Sytem

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gbee:

the linux equivalent of windows file sharing, but better (again IMHO)

[18:40:05]

GreyFoxx:

and older

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|Torg|:

Serve Message Blocks are what Microsoft took from novell and claims as their netowrk file system

[18:40:26]

|Torg|:

later they molested it (err updated it) to CIFS

[18:40:40]

gbee:

samba is the linux reverse engineering of Windows File Sharing, originally done just to allow linux machines to share files with their windows peers

[18:40:57]

|Torg|:

I joke that NFS stands for Not For Speed. Want to make it even slower, convert to SMB

[18:41:02]

Inssomniak:

can anyone help me as to why Schedulesdirect wont populate my OTA channels ?

[18:41:07]

Aval0n:

anyone here have a logitech 520 working?

[18:41:23]

|Torg|:

Inssomniak you are probbly missing xmlids

[18:41:33]

Inssomniak:

|Torg|, you are probably right!

[18:41:44]

Inssomniak:

is there a FAQ on this?

[18:41:54]

Yahooadam:

so lets say i wanted to see the /srv/Music directory (in my backend) on my frontend, how might i go about that ?

[18:42:08]

** juski gets upwards of 9MB/sec on 100mbit ethernet with NFS **

[18:42:26]

Yahooadam:

well the theroetical max speed it 11MB/s anyway

[18:42:28]

|Torg|:

Inssomniak I dunno, I hacked my database with a csv import a long time ago to keep them up to date

[18:42:35]

Yahooadam:

so thats probably as good as it gets juski

[18:42:36]

Cry_wolf2:

12,5MB

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tatters:

I am running ubuntu gutsy and all plugins,I also running zoneminder I noticed there is a plugin for zm+mythtv but says I need to build from source and use configure --enable-zoneminder is there a stable version in the svn or should I just choose the latest?

[18:43:04]

|Torg|:

go look at the channels table for channels missing xmltvids, then using zap2it to go look them up, and update the channel list

[18:43:24]

gbee:

Yahooadam: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/server.html

[18:43:36]

|Torg|:

you can use mythweb to access those if you like, phpmyadmin is faster, easier (well for me at least) is to do it via command line

[18:44:01]

gbee:

bare in mind that the howto goes into greater depth and detail than you probably need

[18:44:43]

gbee:

Yahooadam: you'll probably find a better howto, even a better GUI interface, by looking at docs specific to your distro

[18:45:42]

Yahooadam:

kk

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gbee:

e.g. Mandriva has a nice wizard/config app which makes setting up nfs extremely quick and easy, even if you've never touched NFS before or read a guide

[18:46:06]

|Torg|:

look into forcing nfs over tcp rather then defaulting over udp

[18:46:16]

juski:

hmm could 'cambridge' be classed as 'oxon' or 'south' ?

[18:46:24]

Aval0n:

juski

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Aval0n:

thank god you are here

[18:46:31]

Aval0n:

I have like 50 things I need ask you

[18:46:43]

juski:

I am not the fountain of all knowledge ffs

[18:46:49]

Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

that's an understatment

[18:47:02]

Aval0n:

I don't have anything to ask you :)

[18:47:04]

Aval0n:

just saying hi

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juski:

ok then – no need for me to run away in that case :P

[18:47:29]

Inssomniak:

anyone know how to get XMLTV ids? seems all the faqs/wikis are out of date on this

[18:47:30]

Aval0n:

hahaha

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|Torg|:

Inssomniak what is your zipcode?

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Inssomniak:

N0A1E)

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Yahooadam:

locate channel_ids

[18:48:03]

Inssomniak:

N0A1E)

[18:48:06]

Inssomniak:

yeesh!

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Inssomniak:

N0A1E0

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Yahooadam:

lol

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|Torg|:

what channel would you like to know Inssomniak?

[18:49:20]

Inssomniak:

all of my ATSC channels I guess, for example channel 29

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gbee:

Inssomniak: probably better to ask on the SD forum

[18:49:26]

juski:

bah what xmltvid do peeps in Cambridge use?

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|Torg|:

go to www.zap2it.com and put in your zipcode

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Yahooadam:

dont ask me juski :p

[18:49:59]

|Torg|:

from there hover over the station you want, in this case WSEE

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|Torg|:

sorry WUTV

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XLV:

|Torg|, at least xming works, thanks for pointing out that xserver

[18:50:44]

Inssomniak:

11953?

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|Torg|:

in the url string is a stnNum, in this case it is 11953, thats your xmltvid for that channel

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gbee:

juski: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26 . . . ions_map.png

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|Torg|:

np XLV

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gbee:

looks like Anglia

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Inssomniak:

thx for the help |Torg|

[18:51:18]

juski:

gbee: so that's ITV.. what about bbc?

[18:51:26]

Yahooadam:

ok, im running knoppmyth off the cd, at the bottom i have a bar saying "workspace 1 <> <>time"

[18:51:26]

Yahooadam:

im guessing the mythtv frontend has stopped running, how do i get it running again ?

[18:51:58]

|Torg|:

if its started by a display manger ctrl-alt-bksp

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juski:

gbee: the itv regions are easy to sort out – they all have distinct names

[18:52:34]

juski:

the bbc regions are at best vague

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Yahooadam:

ty |torg|

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|Torg|:

np

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Yahooadam:

agh

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Yahooadam:

i right clicked b4 i started it and now i cant get rid of the menu ! <_<

[18:53:59]

** juski wonders if ukfree.tv knows **

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|Torg|:

I had to teach my wife about ctrl-alt-bksp becase she keeps trying to use pip

[18:55:02]

Yahooadam:

and whats wrong with that ?

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gbee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_UK_regional_ . . . lite#England

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|Torg|:

for HD it dosnt work, it will crash the frontend

[18:55:21]

Yahooadam:

ah

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Yahooadam:

great fun :p

[18:55:32]

Yahooadam:

can you not make a script that keeps starting the FE ?

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|Torg|:

as will partial locks on my ATSC cards which happens sometimes

[18:55:43]

|Torg|:

its why I dont watch live tv :P

[18:55:58]

juski:

ahh BBC East

[18:56:03]

|Torg|:

yes Yahooadam you could write a watchdog, but why

[18:56:13]

gbee:

juski: ukfree.tv was no less vague, or at least the cluttered layout didn't make things easy, but at least Cambridge is covered by name in the wikipedia page

[18:56:22]

|Torg|:

one would presume you are wathcing the box to notice its not running, ctrl-alt-bksp isnt hard to use

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|Torg|:

if my fe is crashed and im not watching it, do I really care?

[18:56:37]

Yahooadam:

why do u have a keyboard plugged in ?

[18:56:49]

|Torg|:

I dont its wireless

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Yahooadam:

ah :p

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|Torg|:

my wireless keybord *IS* my remote :P

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juski:

gbee: cheers for that. sorted the bbc ones out. now to make the file look pretty

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|Torg|:

you could link a buttonf via lirc to do the same thing /etc/init.d/xdm restart (or whatever your display manger is)

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|Torg|:

gbee is that spotbeams?

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gbee:

huh?

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|Torg|:

the regionmap you pasted

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|Torg|:

its satalite based, so I asked if it was spotbeams

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gbee:

it might be easy to point out all the flaws in wikipedia, but it _is_ pretty good for some stuff

[19:01:39]

** gbee goes to lookup spotbeams on wikipedia **

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|Torg|:

no I wasnt pointing out a flaw, afaik spotbeams are only used on NA birds

[19:01:40]

gbee:

:p

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|Torg|:

so I asked if you had them too

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gbee:

|Torg|: never heard of spotbeams before

[19:02:04]

|Torg|:

bradcast footpints that are smaller then the whole globe ones

[19:02:14]

gbee:

ahh, right

[19:02:16]

gbee:

no

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|Torg|:

its how echostart does local channels for example

[19:02:23]

Yahooadam:

bah, knoppmyth & qemu under windows = laggy picture

[19:02:30]

gbee:

each regional variation gets it's own channel number

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|Torg|:

ahh ok

[19:02:51]

gbee:

but I could pickup BBC Scotland from anywhere in the UK (or Europe)

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|Torg|:

you can see the spotbeams on lynsat, there listed

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|Torg|:

http://ekb.dbstalk.com/E10spots/e10spots.pdf

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|Torg|:

thats one of many listing them, as you can see there quite ugly :P

[19:05:25]

juski:

the BBC call Licolnshire 'North'?!

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gbee:

in the map I posted the numbers are the channel numbers corresponding to each region, so if I lived in MR, I'd turn to channel 978 to get my local news

[19:05:39]

juski:

that's just wrong

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|Torg|:

it requires special sats, with directional brodasting antennas (looks something like a camera telephoto lens)

[19:06:04]

Yahooadam:

BBC is retarded :p

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gbee:

juski: same lat as Manchester, well most of it

[19:06:17]

juski:

manchester isn't proper Norf either

[19:06:21]

juski:

(imho)

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Yahooadam:

u live in manchester

[19:06:41]

Yahooadam:

so u obviously dont wanna be classed as a northener :p

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juski:

yeah so? I'm from further north

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juski:

they seem not to know how to have a good time in manchester unless they're a student or gay ;)

[19:07:17]

gbee:

so where would you put the line? North or South of Preston?

[19:07:34]

juski:

maybe start it at leeds

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|Torg|:

so juski which one are you :P

[19:07:59]

juski:

er. both? :P

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

my friends going to uni in manchester this year :)

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juski:

seriously though i dunno where manchester's chip on its shoulder comes from. it's weird

[19:09:03]

juski:

unless it's a student or gay venue, the total population of the clientele seem to be too preoccupied with preening & posing

[19:09:14]

|Torg|:

I remeber going to Manchester when I was there, other then hardly understanding the way they speek english (im sure they thought the same thing of me) it was quite nice

[19:09:39]

juski:

that said I come from the Uk's spiritual home of hedonism, Newcastle Upon Tyne :D

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gbee:

Put it at around Huddersfield and I'll be happy (that puts all my ancestors in the North where they belong)

[19:10:07]

juski:

sounds aboot reet

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Yahooadam:

bah

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Yahooadam:

why is qemu having such a problem emulating knoppmyth :S

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gbee:

of course, if you ask a Southerner where the line lies, they'd say North of the M25 (that would be the bit above London, not below it)

[19:11:57]

Yahooadam:

w00t

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Yahooadam:

i crashed qemu lol

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gbee:

of course I'm living in Derbyshire atm, which is midlands, though I like to think of it as a special case since it's upland/hill country

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juski:

one thing I've been pondering with this thing

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juski:

to specify which channels a region should get or not

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BULLE:

juski: hmmm, newcastle upon tyne, i guess there is where my ancestors went when we needed new loot and new wifes and slaves to sacrifice to the gods =D

[19:14:51]

juski:

BULLE: and still do. those ferries are awful busy at the weekends ;)

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BULLE:

juski: haha =D

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juski:

if you go to Newcastle at xmas shopping time you could have real trouble trying to work out what people around you are saying for 2 reasons: 1. the local dialect and 2. shopping tourists

[19:16:20]

jams:

so anybody here using a serial receiver (lirc_serial) and wouldn't mind running a udev command for me

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directhex:

why would you go oop norf willingly? O_o

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jams:

udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/lirc0`

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BULLE:

directhex: norf ? its way south from here

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juski:

directhex: because it's more fun, or to put it another way, less civilised :P

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gbee:

spooky in town this weekend, _everyone_ seemed to be French – quite why anyone would France would travel to Derby to do their shopping I don't know

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|Torg|:

if Newcastle Upon Tyne is like juski said, im trying to figure out how to get there on my next business trip to the UK :P

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Yahooadam:

cos no-one likes france ?

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BULLE:

|Torg|: =)

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gbee:

s/would France/from France/

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|Torg|:

my entire knoldelge of the UK is the EC3 area of London

[19:19:05]

|Torg|:

that and Saint Albans (sp?)

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Inssomniak:

anyone using a pchdtv 5500 and got the analog stuff to work?

[19:20:05]

Yahooadam:

bah

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Yahooadam:

mythbusters is so stupid, they bleep out how to make all the kewl stuff (nitrus oxide, gun cotton)

[19:20:35]

Yahooadam:

except a google search will show you how to do it in seconds anyway

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** directhex throws a 1.44 meg floppy disk with the anarchists's cookbook on it at Yahooadam **

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Yahooadam:

or that :p

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Aval0n:

bah, everytime I use irrecord and it tells me to hold down a button, I hold it down and nothing happens, then when I let go, it says something went wrong. I have a logitech harmony 520 setup to emulate a hauppauge 350 rc5 remote

[19:21:17]

Aval0n:

anyone seen that before?

[19:21:35]

Dagmar:

I wouldn't trust a lot of what's in that

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam go get dome bleach and ammonia, for that matter vinigar and baking soda works great too

[19:21:46]

Dagmar:

Seems like they picked the most unsafe way possible to make most of it

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|Torg|:

take come break fluid or transmission fluid and put amonia in it

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Yahooadam:

=the most fun way :d

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Dagmar:

I don't know that I'd call having all my glassware explode to be "fun"

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Yahooadam:

thats the best bit :D

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Dagmar:

You try getting rubber hosing out of trees 30ft up and then say that

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Yahooadam:

lol

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|Torg|:

besides with vingar and baking soda you dont need a hubber apron, gloves, goggles and respirator

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Yahooadam:

vinegar and baking soda = some foam (and gas)

[19:24:23]

Yahooadam:

its hardly that exiting

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|Torg|:

that and you cant extly get suphric and nitric acid

[19:24:33]

SmileyDan:

I am having probs with hue in livetv and recordings can anyone help?

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Yahooadam:

now gun cotton or nitrus oxide on the other hand :p

[19:24:41]

|Torg|:

ever put it in a piece of 2.5" galvanised pipe?

[19:25:15]

Yahooadam:

not having pieces of 2.5" galvanised pipe lying around, cant say i have

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|Torg|:

the some foam, has an explosive pressure of 3 sticks of dymanite

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Yahooadam:

nice ^^

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Dagmar:

The TOTSE docs were meant to get morons busted for everyone's safety

[19:25:51]

Dagmar:

It might have the pressure, but it's not going to make the pipe explode

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|Torg|:

and no I do not suggest you try the littel experiment, when I did it I nerly killed myslef, but such is the folly of youth

[19:26:45]

|Torg|:

lye and aluminum is fun to play with, you can fill ballons with hydrogen, just dont do it near a flame

[19:26:52]

|Torg|:

makes a bit of heat too

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Yahooadam:

get a bucket of water, put washing up liquid in

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Yahooadam:

pipe hydrogen (i think) in, preferable through like a shower head

[19:27:45]

Yahooadam:

it makes this column of hydrogen bubbles, which stay upright cos hydrogen is lighter then air

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Yahooadam:

and then when it reaches a decent height, set fire to it :p

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|Torg|:

these are all things I nearly killed myslef with as a kid, I really dont suggest you do them

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Yahooadam:

how does that nearly kill u ? :s

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|Torg|:

lets see teh baking soda and vinegar takes about 30 mins to take effect "I think its a dud. Ya, I think so too. You go check it. No you go check it"

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juski:

gbee: www.juski.co.uk/bbcregions.txt and www.juski.co.uk/itvregions.txt

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juski:

ah shoot

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juski:

forgot grampian

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juski:

do they even need tv listings? I mean have they even got electricity? :P

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at0m|c:

|Torg|: had same experience w pvc bottle, water and dry ice

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at0m|c:

fortunately just left me an ear whisteling for a bit

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juski:

fixed :)

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|Torg|:

we did that with an empty shot gun shell (the kind you reload) and a BB gun (lets see if you can hit the little button at the end). I learned about Newtons third law that day when I was "sucessfull"

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mkrufky:

somebody was asking me which drop-amp i use? (i forgot who it was that asked) — <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/PCT-8-PORT-CABLE-TV-DIGIT . . . quot;>PCT 8 PORT CABLE TV DIGITAL SIGNAL AMPLIFIER/SPLITTER – (eBay item 300146090253 end time Sep-04–07 18:41:58 PDT)</a>

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|Torg|:

mkrufky you do realise the differnce between and analog amp and a digital one is the package, right?

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: yup... i bought it cuz its the right thing — not because it SAYS digital ;-)

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|Torg|:

the only thig you need extra with a cable modme is it be bi directional

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|Torg|:

I had the 4 port verison of that until it died last week, I replaced it with a channel master analog one

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mkrufky:

died??? yikes

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mkrufky:

im tempted to buy another..... but i think it's probably be better to wait till i move

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|Torg|:

yes it no longer works, dunno why

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mkrufky:

that blows

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|Torg|:

its all sleaed adn the repalce ment was like $25 so I didnt care

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mkrufky:

well, it was cheap, anyway... not like a large investment lost or anything

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Yahooadam:

at0m|c – ha ha dry ice and pvc bottle – that one is suprisingly ... energetic

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mkrufky:

this is dangerous ... i bid on a bunch of things. i'm feeling ebay-happy on unsupported ATSC cards

[19:38:21]

mkrufky:

(that

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mkrufky:

s good for the cumminity, but bad for my wallet)

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juski:

ahh but think of the kudos ;)

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Yahooadam:

:p

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Yahooadam:

aslong as its good for the community ;)

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mkrufky:

doh! outbid... forget linux support for the Geniatech HDTV x8000a ATSC Thriller

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juski:

try not to think of all the thanks you'll get – that'll only depress you

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mkrufky:

yeah some schmuch outbid me, now "the community" will wait till i feel like bidding again

[19:40:12]

mkrufky:

schmuck, that is

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Yahooadam:

snipe bidding ftw ^^

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juski:

looking at all the peeps who put money fwd in that ridiculous multirec bounty, surely there'd be some mileage in setting up a hardware fund of some kind for you guys

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Yahooadam:

multirec bounty ?

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juski:

(project politics aside, I mean)

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mkrufky:

oops, didnt realize u were talking to me (just caught up)

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mkrufky:

the only problem, is that if other people started paying for my hardware then i'd feel pressure to get them qorking quicker

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Yahooadam:

he he :)

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mkrufky:

now, suuure, you're thinking "yup — that's the idea"

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juski:

I thought I'd feel obliged from people donating for my themes but nope. maybe I'm just evil

[19:43:38]

mkrufky:

but no — i am currently working on tuner refactoring — a huge job that benefits all drivers

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mkrufky:

and now that phase 1 is complete and merged, i can start working on some other tuner drivers that previously were unmergeable

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juski:

it (sort of) helps motivate me to a degree though

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Dagmar:

snorks: Inter-field separator or somesuch

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mkrufky:

how much in donations have you received, juski?

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juski:

in terms of money, quite a bit. in terms of $ per hour spent, a very small amount

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mkrufky:

hmm... if somebody donated a time machine to me, i could get ALL these pending projects finished in no time

[19:45:36]

mkrufky:

wow, nice juski

[19:45:38]

juski:

better than a smack in the face with a brush with razor blades for bristles

[19:45:50]

mkrufky:

yeah, but you do it because you want to, no?

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juski:

mostly

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mkrufky:

i write drivers because i want to

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juski:

I've done a few bits out of my own misguided sense of community spirit though

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Yahooadam:

which themes have u made juski ?

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|Torg|:

that and the gun we hold to his head

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mkrufky:

and ive been turning down donations because there are too many other people involved ... by the time it gets split to everybody, id have a few pennies in my pocket

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juski:

Yahooadam: all the ones on my webshite

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juski:

what I don't get is that companies donate hardware to projects like mediaportal, but I've not heard of anything donated to the linuxy side

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mkrufky:

but... what i *should* do is update my personal website, (which hasnt been updated since BEFORE i got involved in v4l & dvb) ... then write up something about each device i added support for, and them put something so that people can send donations THERE

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mkrufky:

ah, juski — then you're not hearing the full story

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Yahooadam:

cos mediaportal doesnt take 2 weeks to setup ? :p

[19:48:23]

Yahooadam:

but seriously, cos companies dont seem to acknolege anything other then winblows

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juski:

I figured that even if I only got $10 it was worth the time setting it up

[19:48:32]

mkrufky:

two vendors, especially, and very helpful with linux projects

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juski:

mkrufky: one being Hauppauge I suspect

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mkrufky:

#1 Hauppauge has donated TONS of cards... any Hauppauge device that isnt support will be soon

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|Torg|:

juski make mythtv run better on an AMD and put in quad core smp, then ass what AMD will give you

[19:49:03]

mkrufky:

#2 DViCO — same as above

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juski:

that's cool

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juski:

mkrufky: other than the td-500 though I bet ;)

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directhex:

aren't dvico one of the companies with a dodgy undocumented PCIe card?

[19:49:36]

mkrufky:

except DViCO has some complications, due to their esage of xceive silicon and that driver being held hostage by {cough cough}

[19:49:43]

mkrufky:

s/esage/usage

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mkrufky:

juski: what about TD-500 ?

[19:50:01]

juski:

yeah IP licencing can get hairy in OEM deals

[19:50:02]

mkrufky:

directhex: which?

[19:50:11]

directhex:

can't remember. thought they had one

[19:50:25]

mkrufky:

directhex: i know what I need to know to get the FusionHDTV 5 Express running

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directhex:

stopped caring after a while. dual-tuner would be sexy though

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juski:

mkrufky: apparently it uses a chipset which was end of life & there's 'no point' developing linux support for it due to low numbers

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mkrufky:

DViCO has already given me the hardware, and I have i2c working on it already, and already the bridge driver works... just need to do some work w/ the transport bus

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juski:

the 'diversity' version of the nova-t500

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mkrufky:

juski: yes, i am familiar, now that you gave more detail..... dont expect to see that one _ever_ supported

[19:51:29]

mkrufky:

but there's good reason for that

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mkrufky:

it's a waste of time, lol

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Yahooadam:

wtf is the point in the diversity model lol

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juski:

a lot of chip manufacturers seem to be all too happy to let a vendor have a dev kit for $$$$ if they sign a nasty NDA

[19:52:19]

juski:

and it's those NDAs which can stifle open source development

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mkrufky:

directhex: DViCO has a dual version of the Express card coming out in a few months

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juski:

apparently it's part of the reason open source drivers for VGA cards are so behind the times

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mkrufky:

juski: NDA's are becoming much less of a problem lately

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directhex:

mkrufky, that would be rather sexy, if it was as plug 'n' play as a nova-t

[19:53:02]

mkrufky:

directhex: usb???

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juski:

licencing massive chunks of logic from other companies

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directhex:

mkrufky, pci

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mkrufky:

plug n play, bullshit

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directhex:

okay, so it was a bit hairy pre-2.6.12

[19:53:35]

mkrufky:

wait, sorry — i jumped the gun

[19:53:38]

juski:

mkrufky: really? how so? the theory being that given a windows driver & enough time somebody could reverse engineer it anyway? ;)

[19:53:40]

Yahooadam:

the nova t is not plug and play

[19:53:45]

Yahooadam:

but its pretty easy to get going

[19:53:46]

mkrufky:

i thought you meant hotpluggable, lol

[19:54:10]

directhex:

Yahooadam, plug in, works first try. that's the plan. if hardware doesn't do that, then it's not useful

[19:54:30]

mkrufky:

juski: no — when you hire a linux developer and give him the NDA, that's when things arent as bad

[19:54:31]

Yahooadam:

thats not plug and play ;)

[19:54:39]

mkrufky:

Yahooadam: my bad

[19:55:06]

juski:

mkrufky: I still don't get it then unless I've missed the point of what the NDA covers

[19:55:07]

Yahooadam:

getting the nova-t 500 working is pretty simple

[19:55:34]

Yahooadam:

but its not plug and play, and getting mythtv to get some listings is much harder :p

[19:55:39]

juski:

unless the NDAs are just to stop the docs getting into the 'wrong hands'

[19:55:56]

Yahooadam:

cmoooon radio times

[19:55:57]

mkrufky:

juski: maybe the NDA covers the spec, but not the end product...

[19:55:58]

Yahooadam:

jeez

[19:56:04]

mkrufky:

juski: exactly

[19:56:12]

mkrufky:

juski: depends on how the NDA is written

[19:56:25]

mkrufky:

juski: especially if the developer was hired to write a linux driver

[19:56:30]

juski:

heh

[19:56:45]

Yahooadam:

somone hired to write a linux driver

[19:56:50]

Yahooadam:

what are you smoking

[19:57:06]

juski:

the purchasing dept at work still talk about the hot phoneline they ended up with when I asked them to get me the cx23416 datasheet :P

[19:57:08]

directhex:

lsi? 3ware? areca? ralink?

[19:57:17]

mkrufky:

anyhow... any NDA that I've ever signed had a clause saying that I wasnt allowed to talk about the NDA or the fact that the project was covered under NDA

[19:57:26]

mkrufky:

so..... i cant tell you EXACTLY what im smoking, Yahooadam

[19:57:46]

mkrufky:

just believe me... not _all_ NDA's are evil

[19:57:46]

Yahooadam:

lol :p

[19:57:47]

juski:

NDA/rizla/samedifference

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mkrufky:

juski: *nobody* has the cx23416 datasheet

[19:58:20]

mkrufky:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: actually it's out there

[19:58:41]

juski:

I almost got in trouble for asking for it

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mkrufky:

yes, but nobody has it

[19:58:58]

juski:

that's not the same as saying nobody has seen it though

[19:58:59]

directhex:

just imagine... with datasheets, evil haxx0rs could make pirate silicon using FPGAs! their businesses would be ruined!

[19:59:02]

GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: heheh maybe noone will publically admit it :)

[19:59:28]

|Torg|:

not exactly directhex, but thats the general idea

[19:59:31]

mkrufky:

that's true... ummm.... yeah, not sure what im allowed to say about THAT ;-)

[19:59:33]

GreyFoxx:

just like wont publically admit to having the IBM datasheets and source code to their STB chips which caused many phone calls with IBM over it :)

[20:00:22]

directhex:

|Torg|, to be filed next to the "if we give them access to the 3d hardware, then there will be millions of retail-grade games using ps3 linux without paying us license fees!!!11" from sony

[20:00:24]

mkrufky:

lets put it this way.......... open source people have a better idea what makes the cx23416 work then many of the vendors, who simply use conexant-supplied code

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: yeah

[20:01:10]

mkrufky:

and, afaik, the only people that do have that spec, are within conexant

[20:01:17]

juski:

who was it who gave me the scary regex to parse a webpage last week? can't remember.. could do with another one please

[20:01:17]

|Torg|:

but its true if I had the spec sheets I could take the same componensts or similar and make knockoffs fairly easily

[20:01:38]

mkrufky:

i have heard, through the grapevine, that this particular spec is absolutely horrible, not helpful in the least bit

[20:01:48]

directhex:

|Torg|, you have a chip fab in the bathroom?

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Yahooadam:

who doesnt ? :p

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|Torg|:

no directhex I dont need it, go to digikey get the chips or similar

[20:02:17]

directhex:

mine's in the cupboard under the stairs

[20:02:23]

|Torg|:

or sorce them from atmel

[20:02:36]

|Torg|:

I have made PCBs by hand tho, does that count :P

[20:02:39]

mkrufky:

i doubt we'll see many new devices using a cx23416 anyhow .... i think that chip has EOL'd too

[20:02:45]

directhex:

next to the evil chamber for viewing mpeg2 video WITHOUT A LICENSE :O

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Dagmar:

onoez!

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directhex:

!!!!!1111onethousandonehundredandeleven!!

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BULLE:

mkrufky: cx23416 is the ones that are on the hauppauge wintv pvr ? is it the ones on the 350 with mpeg2 decoder, or the ones without decoder ?

[20:05:26]

mkrufky:

without decoder

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mkrufky:

looks like cx23416, when used as a pci bridge, has been replaced by conexant with the cx23418 ... already i've seen both hauppauge and compro release devices using that chip

[20:06:47]

|Torg|:

directhex, as an example http://www.digchip.com/datasheets/quote.php?a . . . p;pn=CX23416

[20:06:48]

mkrufky:

...and for devices using alternate bridge chips, like a cx2388x or a usb design, seems like the mpeg encoder cx23416 was replaced by a cx23417

[20:06:52]

|Torg|:

its not hard to source chips

[20:07:43]

Yahooadam:

china ftw :p

[20:08:13]

mkrufky:

BULLE: afaik, the cx23415 (w/ decoder) was EOL'd years ago

[20:08:41]

mkrufky:

but, really... i dont know any of this for sure..... maybe they're still making them — just doesnt SEEM that way to me

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Flimqy:

I'm trying to get a bt878 card to work with MythTV, and it acts as though it's never changing channels (I only get static). I suspect an i2c problem of some sort... aside from hardware support for my specific i2c controller, and the bt878 driver, are there any other modules I need loaded?

[20:09:39]

Dagmar:

You probably need the anti-ASPCA model

[20:09:43]

Dagmar:

Many kittens will die.

[20:09:58]

directhex:

framegrabberlicious

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|Torg|:

framegrabbersuckus

[20:10:56]

juski:

test the tuner works in linux by trying it with an app such as tvtime – *before* setting out with mythtv

[20:11:00]

Inssomniak:

SD is sooo slow :(

[20:11:07]

Flimqy:

Man, framegrabbers rock! (that's why I'm giving this away, and keeping my pchdtv-5500 and pvr-500 cards :P)

[20:11:20]

** mkrufky gasps for air **

[20:11:23]

Flimqy:

juski; I've used the card in Linux--even with myth, before

[20:11:36]

Flimqy:

it's just been a long time

[20:11:39]

juski:

Flimqy: that's not the same as testing it out on your current install :P

[20:11:46]

Flimqy:

agreed

[20:11:52]

juski:

so do that :)

[20:12:01]

Flimqy:

but you said "test to see if it works in linux"... and it does do that :P

[20:12:06]

** juski decides to knock off for the night. done enough today **

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Inssomniak:

the pchdtv 5500 is a framegrabber in analog mode is it not?

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Flimqy:

Inssomniak: Yeah, I think so.

[20:13:24]

Flimqy:

Inssomniak: I don't intend to use it in analog mode much or at all, tho

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Yahooadam:

nooo juski :p

[20:13:41]

Yahooadam:

you quiiter :p

[20:13:52]

directhex:

i wonder what sony's PlayTV addon for PS3 will bring

[20:13:55]

Rongo:

anyone have a M2NPV-VM, and use the S/PDIF out?

[20:14:03]

Yahooadam:

can u do some juski magic and kick the radio times up the ass and get it working again atleast ? :p

[20:14:36]

|Torg|:

directhex DRM infested recordings :P

[20:14:57]

directhex:

|Torg|, i meant in terms of hardware

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juski:

barstewards! mrs j is still watching the dopes

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Rongo:

The momo header for spdif is a 4x1 pin connector, missing one pin. Is that relatively standard? I thought they were all 3-x1

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Yahooadam:

think thats standard rongo (4x1)

[20:17:01]

juski:

bah my perl-fu is rusty :(

[20:17:33]

Flimqy:

so looking at the myth wiki, the page about bttv driver shows a line in dmesg that says "i2c attach". Would it be reasonable for me to assume that not having that line in my dmesg is a Bad Thing(tm)?

[20:19:57]

Rongo:

huh. ok

[20:20:00]

Rongo:

thanks

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Inssomniak:

No channels are configured to use grabber. <-- this is what I get using SD ? is this bad?

[20:21:53]

Dagmar:

Only if you watch TV.

[20:22:08]

gbee:

can anyone name a major world town or city where it might be snowing, or suffering storm conditions this week?

[20:22:20]

Dagmar:

Nome, Alaska

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|Torg|:

australia somewhere

[20:23:59]

gbee:

Dagmar: unfortunately not – http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/world/6410.xml

[20:24:56]

Cybertoy:

anyone know what happened to happysat?

[20:25:08]

Yahooadam:

it became unhappy

[20:25:12]

Cybertoy:

lol

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Dagmar:

You seriously can't go to say, www.weather.com and just look at the map?

[20:25:35]

Dagmar:

Theres' kind of a whopping great hurricane to look for at the very least.

[20:26:08]

|Torg|:

Dagmar you mean Felix?

[20:26:16]

Dagmar:

San Antonio Texas is kind of immediately obvious as a place that's getting rain

[20:26:26]

Inssomniak:

mythfilldatabase skips every channel in my lineup

[20:26:29]

|Torg|:

obvious?

[20:26:43]

Inssomniak:

"not adding channel <channelname>:

[20:26:46]

Yahooadam:

inssomniak – where are you trying to get listings from ?

[20:26:52]

Dagmar:

Trog: The blobs of green are hard to miss

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Inssomniak:

Yahooadam, SD

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|Torg|:

yes Dagmar, the rain we have been getting however is not normal

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gbee:

Dagmar: of course I've tried the obvious stuff, I just can't find anywhere described as having weather conditions more severe than thundery showers

[20:28:10]

Dagmar:

This will just kill you

[20:28:20]

Dagmar:

Did you try Googling for "where is it snowing?"

[20:28:20]

Dagmar:

http://www.snow-forecast.com/worldwide_accumulation.shtml

[20:28:22]

Dagmar:

:)

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|Torg|:

http://www.weather.com/maps/maptype/satellite . . . nimated.html

[20:30:32]

Inssomniak:

Failed to run tv_find_grabbers

[20:30:35]

Inssomniak:

is this bad?

[20:31:07]

XLV:

http://pastebin.ca/680340 this i suppose means that it couldnt find a gpio remote on the card? its a dart tv live bt 878 using its onboard remote, irw stops with connect: No such file or directory

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XLV:

should i use some other lirc module?

[20:33:04]

Inssomniak:

anyone know how to delete all channels?

[20:33:20]

|Torg|:

its in the channel setup of mythtv-setup

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gbee:

nope, tried it all – picked cities that should have heavy snow but the forecast just says rain/cloud, cities that are in the path of hurricanes and it's sunny intervals/heavy showers

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|Torg|:

its summer in the norhtern hemispher (well end of it), look in the southern hemisphere

[20:35:43]

|Torg|:

south tip of South America comes to bind

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gbee:

tried the Falklands, Santa Cruz, most of Chile

[20:38:32]

gbee:

but just had some luck with Ushuaia, Argentina

[20:38:41]

gbee:

where at least they are having light snow

[20:39:05]

Dagmar:

I hate to suggest this, but after poking at it a bit, you might just need to wait for it to snow somewhere

[20:39:13]

Dagmar:

The Andes would be great, as they're on the tail end of winter

[20:39:30]

Dagmar:

...but fat lot of good finding anything like a major city in such a thinly populated region

[20:39:46]

|Torg|:

its the end of winter, so there isnt allot of snow

[20:39:49]

Dagmar:

macavity: In "hippie" it would translate the same way

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|Torg|:

I chedked Tiera del Feago, and Punta Areas, both are well above freezing

[20:40:11]

gbee:

:)

[20:40:38]

Inssomniak:

|Torg|, Im trying to delete ALL channels, but there is no option in channel editor?

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gbee:

I can always update the script when new weather conditions appear, just hope that happens before 0.21 is released

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|Torg|:

yes Inssomniak, there is a pulldown for all chanels (I think its even default) and button next to it that says delete, you need to confirm it and it will delete all the channels

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|Torg|:

gbee http://www.wunderground.com/global/AN_ST_Index.html

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gbee:

|Torg|: thanks for the help, unfortunately the BBC weather feeds don't seem to include Antarctica or islands south of the Falklands

[20:57:58]

gbee:

I'll just wait for conditions to change, it's unlikely that anyone using mythweather will face blizzards in the next few weeks, so I'll have time to pin down all the weather definitions I haven't seen yet

[20:58:43]

|Torg|:

its posible the falklands may, but I sorta dount it

[20:59:26]

|Torg|:

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/88891.html

[20:59:30]

|Torg|:

maybe in one week :)

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BULLE:

4

[21:02:53]

BULLE:

damn

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Yahooada1:

if i want to use a serial IR blaster on ubuntu, is sudo apt-get install lirc enough ?

[21:11:09]

Yahooada1:

or do i need anything else ?

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Inssomniak:

Duplicate entry '2976-2007-09–03 23:00:00–0' for key 1.. how do I get rid of these errors from the backend?

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Yahooada1:

insomniak – how do you get those errors ?

[21:15:11]

Inssomniak:

no idea they just appear

[21:15:18]

Inssomniak:

in the logging of mythbackend

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Yahooada1:

well if nothing is wrong with your mythtv, probably better to not fiddle

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sslashes:

i am having a problem with my remote in mythtv – when i press a button – it is registered four times in mythtv – but it is not an lirc problem, as running irw shows only one event

[21:28:44]

sslashes:

any ideas?

[21:28:46]

sslashes:

i am running 0.20.1

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Yahooada1:

uhmm i thought 0.20.1 was never released ?

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Esine:

sslashes, same problem man

[21:31:49]

Esine:

I've tried adding reapeat = 100000000000000000 to the lircrc file but that doesn't help

[21:32:00]

Esine:

and I've tried changing /etc/hardware.conf repeat_bit stuff and others but no help

[21:32:16]

Esine:

and yeah, irw shows only one event

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sslashes:

Esine: huh – what is your remote hardware and driver – and whats the platform?

[21:33:24]

sslashes:

Yahooada1: it could be 0.20.2

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sslashes:

it is, actually (just checked)

[21:33:47]

Esine:

linux, latest MythTV SVN, Technotrend DVB-C 1500 remote

[21:33:54]

|Torg|:

hmm mythweb dosnt seem to know some of the drives are nfs mounts from the main backend, is it a bug?

[21:34:13]

Esine:

sslashes, that's saa7146 IR reciever I think

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Esine:

sslashes, you?

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Yahooada1:

:'( im such a damn n00b

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Stinky:

will myth use a mutli switch based on 22 khz? if any pointers or a web related to the topic would help me

[21:45:30]

Stinky:

if so even

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Yahooada1:

sigh

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juski:

bugger. another car burnt out on the land earmarked for new houses

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juski:

skanky mancs

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|Torg|:

juski how fast did you say you were getting off your NFS shares?

[22:01:23]

juski:

about 9MB/sec

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|Torg|:

ok im getting a consistant 11MB/sec and wonderd if I should just leave it be or go screw with block sizes some more ;)

[22:02:05]

|Torg|:

100fdx?

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juski:

that's without any optimisation, tweaks of block sizes etc

[22:02:28]

juski:

yeah AFAIK it's that

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|Torg|:

so is mine, I just put in a share, and mounted it, the boxes are about 30' of ethernet to a layer 2 switch apart

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Yahooada1:

bah

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|Torg|:

they run about .1 ms of lag

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Yahooada1:

i fail at lircd

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|Torg|:

so im thinking its ok for 2x sd tuners and leave it be

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Yahooada1:

bah

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Yahooada1:

cant get lirc to work

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Yahooada1:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[12034]: lircd(userspace) ready

[22:10:50]

Yahooada1:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[12034]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

[22:10:50]

Yahooada1:

lircd-0.8.2-CVS[12034]: could not open /dev/lirc

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Raspberry:

I can't seem to get my pchdtv-5500 card to work with mythtv... it doesn't lock any of the stations ... I"m running Ubuntu Gutsy — worked fine under Ubuntu Feisty with MythTV v0.20.0 ... now I'm running v0.20.2

[22:13:53]

Raspberry:

any ideas?

[22:14:30]

Raspberry:

when I do a channel scan in the backend setup it finds all the NTSC channels — where-as before it found the ATSC channels (what I want)

[22:15:01]

Raspberry:

it doesn't matter if NTSC or ATSC is set in the "general" backend-setup options

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mkrufky:

Raspberry: if you want ATSC, you must set up the pchdtv card as a DVB 3.x card, in mythtv-setup

[22:17:16]

mkrufky:

Raspberry: delete the analog framegrabber (v4l) entry for it first

[22:17:35]

Raspberry:

hmm

[22:17:41]

mkrufky:

Raspberry: if you want to use the card for both analog and digital, still do the above, and add the analog capability to the DVB card

[22:17:42]

Raspberry:

I did set it up under DVB

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Raspberry:

not the first input option ... which is V4L

[22:18:23]

Raspberry:

which is why I don't understand why it's scanning NTSC stations

[22:18:31]

mkrufky:

do you have two separate card entries for it?

[22:18:44]

Raspberry:

what do you mean?

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mkrufky:

or one DVB card entry with the analog support added?

[22:18:48]

Raspberry:

I have one entry for the card

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Raspberry:

DVB

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mkrufky:

go to mythtv-setup, then you'll see what i mean

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Raspberry:

i'm loading the setup now

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Yahooada1:

how can i test if my Serial IR Blaster is working ? :(

[22:21:30]

Yahooada1:

hmm ok it isnt

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Raspberry:

mkrufky, I have DVB : 0

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Raspberry:

that's it

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mkrufky:

does the dvb card have the analog support on it, in mythtv-setup?

[22:22:08]

Raspberry:

and in DVB : 0 — it's set to Card type: DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)

[22:22:46]

Raspberry:

are you taking about under Analog Options?

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Raspberry:

Ah :)

[22:25:27]

Raspberry:

I think I know what you mean

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Raspberry:

under the Tuner setup

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Raspberry:

where you bind it to a video stream

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mkrufky:

yup

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Raspberry:

but now none of my channels are showing up

[22:26:38]

Raspberry:

which is odd

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Raspberry:

because I have about 20 stations

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Raspberry:

it found 1

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Raspberry:

but it's skipped quite a few

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Raspberry:

hmm

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Raspberry:

i can't believe that was my problem :P

[22:27:46]

Raspberry:

I've been fiddling with this for almost a week

[22:28:01]

Raspberry:

now... the million dollar question :)

[22:28:48]

Raspberry:

this has been my problem since I got the remote ... I had the remote and IR receiver from the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150.. it worked fine...

[22:29:04]

Raspberry:

but I returned the card, so I had to return the remote too... and I bought a pair of pchdtv-5500 cards...

[22:30:05]

Raspberry:

then I bought the Hauppauge Media Center remote off Hauppauge's website ... I can get it to detect the IR Receiver via lsusb ... and when I push buttons on the remote the receiver light turns on... but I can't get the system to detect what the key presses on the remote are.

[22:30:21]

Raspberry:

doing an 'irw' gives me "connection refused"

[22:30:55]

Raspberry:

it's the new SMK receiver that was added to lirc on June 29th, 2007 — and supposedly people have got it to work .. but I've never been able to talk to any of them

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BULLE:

Raspberry: make sure nothing uses the lirc socket, and run irw as root

[22:31:06]

Raspberry:

yeah I did ... sudo irw

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Yahooada1:

bah :( cant get my IR blaster to work

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Raspberry:

it gives me... "connect: Connection refused"

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BULLE:

Raspberry: so check if something has opened the lirc socket already ?

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Yahooada1:

sounds like lirc isnt running to me rasberry

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crayzee:

I have just got a remote for my computer. It's receiver appears to use HID – it works straight away typing 0–9 enter, clear.

[22:32:12]

crayzee:

However, the other buttons do not appear to work. Some are recognized by xev, others not. Where do I start in training my PC to recognize them? I ultimately want it to work with MythTV...

[22:32:18]

Raspberry:

if I restart lirc ... and then try irw — it just kicks me back to the comand line w/o any output

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Yahooada1:

do

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Yahooada1:

sudo lirc -m

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Yahooada1:

or was it n

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Raspberry:

I have the lirc_mceusb2 module compiled and loaded into the knerel

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crayzee:

Raspberry, have you checked permissions on /dev/lirc*

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Raspberry:

i did the "sudo lircd -n"

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crayzee:

mceusb – I have noticed mention of that. My remote is "MCE-Like" – is that the driver I want?

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Yahooada1:

yeah

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Yahooada1:

sudo lircd -n

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Raspberry:

crayzee, probably the mceusb2 ...not the 1 unless your remote is old

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Yahooada1:

what comes up in the console

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crayzee:

Cool

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Raspberry:

"lircd-0.8.2[7912]: lircd(userspace) ready

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Yahooada1:

uh, it wasnt yeah to u crayzee :p

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Flimqy:

Well I got my old school bt878 card to work with tvtime. However in myth, it doesn't change channels.

[22:34:10]

crayzee:

What is "Enable Dynamic Codes"? Do I want this?

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Yahooada1:

ok raspberrry

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Yahooada1:

now do sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

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Yahooada1:

(after killing your console lirc)

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Yahooada1:

then try to do irw

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Raspberry:

it just drops me right back to the comand line

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Yahooada1:

somthings wrong then

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Raspberry:

and if I type it again it gives me the conneciton refused

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Yahooada1:

yeah its killing lirc due to an error

[22:35:46]

Raspberry:

when I pressed CTRL-C to kill lirc

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Raspberry:

it gave me a few more lines of info...

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crayzee:

Will this mceusb2 malarchy disable the HID functionality of my remote, or will they compete?

[22:36:17]

Raspberry:

"accepted new client on /dev/lircd ... could not get file information for /dev/lirc ... default_init?(): No such file or directory ... caught signal

[22:36:35]

Yahooada1:

hmm

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Yahooada1:

well i was getting that error

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Raspberry:

i'm wondering if something is wonky in the /etc/lircd/hardware.conf

[22:36:49]

Yahooada1:

but starting lirc through sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

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Yahooada1:

sorted it for me

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Raspberry:

/dev/lircd is rw-rw-rw

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Raspberry:

root.root , but that shouldn't matter

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Yahooada1:

how have you started lirc, through lirc -n or init.d ?

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Raspberry:

init.d

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Yahooada1:

kk

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crayzee:

Doesn't seem to do anything – /dev/lirc – no such device.

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crayzee:

Remote still working through HID...

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Yahooada1:

im not really sure raspberry, i was getting the same error as u (lirc dieing when you try to do anything) but after starting through init.d it worked fine

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Raspberry:

hmm

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Yahooada1:

when you sudo lirc -n is the ONLY line u get about userspace being ready ?

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Yahooada1:

lircd #

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Raspberry:

crayzee, it mjight be lircd

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Raspberry:

yahooada I wonder if irw is looking for a particular socket

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crayzee:

Raspberry, lircd not running

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Raspberry:

Yahooada1, what if I ran "inputlirc"

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Raspberry:

it's supposed to be configure less

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Raspberry:

maybe that'll "fix" whatever the problem is and then i can change back

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Raspberry:

Yahooada1, i just install inputlirc and now irw stays open...

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Raspberry:

Yahooada1, but it doesn't respond to my remote key presses

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Yahooada1:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

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Yahooada1:

u can try that

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juski:

Raspberry: seen the mythtv wiki page about the MCEUSB ?

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Yahooada1:

not that its worked for me lol

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Yahooada1:

jsuki eeee :D

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Yahooada1:

do u know anything about getting serial IR transmitters working ? :(

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crayzee:

Ahhh evtest recognizes all buttons. How can I train MythTV to accept them? (Perhaps wrap them to keyboard characters, and pass them to MythTV?)

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Raspberry:

juski, yes — I've actually provided updates to that page

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Raspberry:

juski, I wrote the updates about the new v1069 remote and SMK usb IR receiver

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Yahooada1:

how do u completly uninstall with apt-get ?

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Yahooada1:

i cant remember the command line switch

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Raspberry:

Yahooada1, dpkg --purge <packagename>

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Raspberry:

that removes the files and the configuration

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Yahooada1:

thats the one

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Raspberry:

--remove will take out just the package files and not the custom config

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Flimqy:

When using an SDTV, is there likely to be any performance improvement by reducing X's resolution from 640x480 to something lower? I'm using a geforce4 4000 card, for whatever that's worth.

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Yahooada1:

i doubt it ...

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Flimqy:

ok. guess I won't go to great lengths to reduce the resolution then :)

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Yahooada1:

what are you having performance issues with ?

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Flimqy:

this is a pretty low-powered myth syste

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Flimqy:

m

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Flimqy:

I haven't done much testing yet

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Flimqy:

I was noticing that when first watching TV, it takes about 15 seconds for the video to start playing smoothly.

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Chris_28:

hi folk

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defendguin:

is there a way to clear the listings DB so that i can make sure to get a completely new one? i get a lot of this

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defendguin:

2007-09–03 17:45:58.436 Checking day @ offset 5, date: Sat Sep 8 2007

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defendguin:

2007-09–03 17:45:58.589 Data is already present for Sat Sep 8 2007, skipping

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defendguin:

and i'm sure the data is wrong and i need to get fresh data

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Flimqy:

I will start by reducing the recording profile quality

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clever:

Raspberry: i dont think --purge will get all of mythtv config(the mysql data)

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defendguin:

any help?

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Yahooada1:

if your running phpmyadmin you can just drop the mythconverg database (or through the mysql command line, but i dont know what to type exactly)

[23:01:03]

Raspberry:

no

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Yahooada1:

then when you re-run mythtv it will remake all of it

[23:01:12]

Raspberry:

the purge will not get all of the mythtv data

[23:01:14]

Raspberry:

but that's easy

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Chris_28:

why would my gentoo based mythbox not be recognizing when I pop in a dvd?

[23:03:10]

Chris_28:

I've got dbus and hald installed and running

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Raspberry:

sudo mysql -u root < "DROP database mythconverg;"

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Raspberry:

that should drop the myth database

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Raspberry:

you'll have to delete the user too

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Raspberry:

like Yahooada1 says — it's much easier through phpmyadmin

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Flimqy:

reducing the LiveTV resolution from 480x480 to 320x240 seems to make myth responsive enough

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Flimqy:

with 40% idle CPU. whee

[23:08:03]

Yahooada1:

ugh *cry*

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Yahooada1:

i just cant get lirc to work with my serial transmitter

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Yahooada1:

it refuses

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Chris_28:

I wish I could get HDTV through the firewire but I sent the model_id and vendor_id upchannel to the 6200ch dev

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Raspberry:

Yahooada1, yeah — my lirc is flaking out too :(

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juski:

oh noes! forum user complaining their tuner card is only ever seen as /dev/video0 when it's a DVB type. Hmmm.. couldn't be anything to do with not telling mythtv-setup it's a DVB card :-\

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Yahooada1:

its orite if your trying to recieve with serial

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Yahooada1:

but transmit, good luck :p

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Flimqy:

When I exit watching a recording, the menu that shows up (ina courier style font), the text isn't all visible. Where do I go to change the font size for that?

[23:21:31]

juski:

Flimqy: tv playback settings – change the font to freesans from freemono

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juski:

the default freemono is gash

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Yahooada1:

howz the script goin juski ?

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Yahooada1:

and is RT back up yet ? or are they all sleeping :(

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Flimqy:

juski: thanks

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Flimqy:

juski WAAAY better. thanks :)

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juski:

silly ctrl chars got irssi locked up

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jpmitchell:

Hello all...

[23:31:27]

Yahooada1:

[all] hello

[23:31:36]

jpmitchell:

Hello...

[23:32:14]

Yahooada1:

is there somthing u need help with, or are u just saying hello ?

[23:32:16]

jpmitchell:

Anyone got a moment to help with a live tv issue?

[23:32:21]

Raspberry:

my dvb stations seem to be running choppy — they hadn't before on the same hardware — is there any software adjustment I can make to improve the smoothness of the stream?

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juski:

jpmitchell: just ask a question

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Raspberry:

it's not all the stations either...

[23:33:08]

juski:

metaquestions are nothing but annoying :)

[23:33:17]

jpmitchell:

Well, everything seems to be working correctly except live tv. The front end just gets a black screen and then times out..

[23:33:20]

juski:

hey can I ask a question? "yeah you just did :P"

[23:33:27]

Raspberry:

just a few of them but they're all supposed to be at the same orientation on the antenna

[23:33:43]

Yahooada1:

the faster you ask your question on IRC the faster u get an answer ;)

[23:33:56]

juski:

jpmitchell: suspect #1 – incorrect tuner type set in mythtv-setup. stop mythbackend & verify you have the correct tuner type set

[23:34:14]

Flimqy:

the description for the paint engine says use opengl if you have "decent hardware"... I have a "decent" video card, but crappy CPU... would it still make sense to use opengl intead of Qt?

[23:34:45]

juski:

the default is v4l software encoding card, jpmitchell – if you have a HDTV, DVB or PVR tuner card, V4L is the wrong choice

[23:34:55]

jpmitchell:

juski, Hmm.. Scheduled recordings seem to work.

[23:35:06]

juski:

Flimqy: try it. you need to restart the frontend for the change to take effect

[23:35:29]

juski:

jpmitchell: the only thing to differentiate livetv & scheduled recordings would be the recording profiles

[23:36:44]

juski:

cos everything is recorded in mythtv

[23:37:07]

jpmitchell:

juski, You can see the frontend logs here:http://www.cepros.com/john/mythtv.txt

[23:37:24]

juski:

frontend logs won't show anything interesting

[23:38:32]

jpmitchell:

juski, I just added the backend logs for the same time frame..

[23:38:54]

jpmitchell:

juski, Clocks are off a bit..

[23:39:28]

juski:

between the FE & BE ?

[23:39:32]

jpmitchell:

juski, It kinda of looks like a time out to me..

[23:39:46]

juski:

the clocks differ between the frontend & backend?

[23:39:50]

jpmitchell:

juski, Yes..

[23:39:57]

juski:

that's your answer then

[23:40:01]

juski:

sync em

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jpmitchell:

juski, Hrrmm.. Never been a problem in the past..

[23:40:33]

juski:

the backend is ahead of the frontend, so the frontend thinks it's playing video which doesn't exist yet – I suspect <<<

[23:41:18]

Yahooada1:

arggg – i cant even compile software !!!

[23:41:22]

jpmitchell:

juski, Hmm.. Okay.. One moment and I will check..

[23:41:29]

Yahooada1:

./configure --sysconfdir=/etc/lirc --with-driver=serial --with-transmitter

[23:41:30]

Yahooada1:

-bash: ./configure: Permission denied

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jpmitchell:

juski, Hmm.. No dice.. They are within a second of each other and still it fails..

[23:43:04]

Yahooada1:

ok got it :)

[23:43:07]

juski:

within a second? still doesn't sound close

[23:43:27]

jpmitchell:

juski, Well.. Hard to run date on both machines are _exactly_ the same time..

[23:43:34]

juski:

ntp

[23:43:36]

juski:

ftw!

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jpmitchell:

juski, That is what I did..

[23:43:56]

jpmitchell:

juski, They are both synced to the local university gps time source..

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jpmitchell:

juski, I notice the frontend seems to give up before my channel change script finishes..

[23:47:09]

juski:

does the channel you're trying to watch actually exist?

[23:47:15]

jpmitchell:

juski, Yes..

[23:47:20]

juski:

in the database I mean

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jpmitchell:

juski, Yes...

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juski:

and it's bound to a videosource

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juski:

it's prolly just a simple setup issue

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jpmitchell:

juski, Yep.. Scheduled recording work fine..

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Yahooada1:

*cries*

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jpmitchell:

juski, You would think, but I am at a loss. I just finished building this thing up from scratch and then importing the database and video from the previous machine. All no problem.

[23:49:44]

jpmitchell:

juski, Is there a way to adjust the time out for the frontend when prebuffering?

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juski:

this is a big clue: EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 14:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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jpmitchell:

juski, I missed that.. Thats kinda whacked..

[23:51:31]

jpmitchell:

juski, Well the frontend and backend clocks are right. The listings are correct.. Where could that have come from?

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juski:

the other part, the bit about it being a database moved from another (previously worky) machine is a clue too

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jpmitchell:

Maybe.. The clock was set frequently on that machine as well..

[23:52:23]

juski:

I mean, you have to take certain measures when you migrate the db

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jpmitchell:

Sure..

[23:52:45]

juski:

make sure hostname, ip, path are all right etc

[23:53:08]

juski:

stop mythbackend, open mythtv-setup & double-check everything

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jpmitchell:

juski, Already done so many times..

[23:53:50]

juski:

you could ask yourself WWJD.. (what would Juski do)..

[23:54:01]

juski:

I'd personally just say "bah, livetv sucks anyway" :P

[23:54:09]

jpmitchell:

juski, Eh? Really? :-)

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juski:

livetv could be broken on my system right now & I'd never know

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jpmitchell:

juski, I just took a quick glance through the program table and it looks good.

[23:54:51]

juski:

it's got to be something simple

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juski:

has to be

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jpmitchell:

juski, Could be everyone is broke. I do not use it often, only when I need to verify a configuration change..

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juski:

run mythbackend with a verbose logging option

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Pie-rate:

anyone have suggestions for an AGP video card for a box that will probably mainly run mythtv?

[23:55:22]

jpmitchell:

juski, Sure.. One moment..

[23:55:40]

juski:

Pie-rate: nvidia fx5200 or fx6200 will be fine

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juski:

avoid ATI. they're poo in linux

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Pie-rate:

juski: ok. i'll probably go with a 6200

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Pie-rate:

juski: i already know that :)

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jpmitchell:

juski, Well, that is chatty now..

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juski:

and?

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