| Sunday, September 2nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:46] | Ryushin: | I'm not using XvMC. Will the xv driver still be just as fast as the binary driver for just Xv? |
| [00:00:54] | juski: | depends if you want 3d or not |
| [00:01:15] | Ryushin: | Well, what 3d am I looking at? Does goom use 3d? |
| [00:01:21] | juski: | if you don't need/want hardware accelerated opengl it'll be ok |
| [00:01:25] | juski: | goom? eew |
| [00:01:31] | Ryushin: | OpenGL is 3d. |
| [00:01:49] | Ryushin: | There is the opengl video sync. But I don't think I'm using that as well. |
| [00:02:02] | Ryushin: | Goom is pretty. Is there a better one? |
| [00:02:08] | juski: | goom uses opengl & still looks that crappy? heh |
| [00:02:36] | laga: | libvisual-projectm is nice |
| [00:02:38] | juski: | maybe I've always been feeding it the wrong music or something – it just looks like random fizzy splodges |
| [00:03:04] | juski: | I'd rather see a blank screen than use goom myself ;) |
| [00:03:04] | Ryushin: | Okay. I guess I'll keep using the binary driver. Gotta figure out the stability issues I'm getting with 100.14.11 though. |
| [00:03:40] | Ryushin: | Odd. Everyone that I show goom to loves it. |
| [00:03:53] | juski: | you've obviously not seen projectM then |
| [00:04:08] | laga: | Ryushin: i read that newer versions of goom are much nicer, eg the ones included in libvisual |
| [00:04:14] | laga: | libvisual support is only in trunk, though |
| [00:04:23] | nitronic: | is the option on mythtv's front end, "Fetch channels from listing source" meant to replace the need to scan for channels? |
| [00:04:35] | Ryushin: | I'm running trunk. |
| [00:04:36] | nitronic: | because it doesn't seem to work for me at all-- i select it, and nothing happens |
| [00:04:37] | juski: | Milkdrop & projectM are the daddy of all visualisers IMHO |
| [00:04:51] | juski: | nitronic: it's only for grabbing a lineup from your listings provider |
| [00:05:00] | juski: | and only for the USA/Canada AFAIK |
| [00:05:01] | nitronic: | ah ok, not the actual frequencies |
| [00:05:10] | nitronic: | juski, i'm in USA so that's cool |
| [00:05:15] | Ryushin: | Are milkdrop and projectm part of myth? They don't seem to be part of debian. |
| [00:05:30] | juski: | Ryushin: projectM is the linux port of milkdrop |
| [00:05:50] | juski: | projectm relies upon libvisual, which is only supported in mythtv in svn trunk |
| [00:06:25] | Ryushin: | That was the new library that trunk needed that I added. So is projectm part of myth now? |
| [00:06:35] | juski: | no |
| [00:07:08] | juski: | there are bound to be debs of it somewhere though |
| [00:07:21] | juski: | and this is what I mean about goom – swirly, fuzzy blurry stuff.. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . /Image16.jpg |
| [00:07:25] | laga: | ubuntu has em |
| [00:07:34] | juski: | it's like.. DO SOMETHING MAN! |
| [00:07:45] | laga: | ooh, nice fuzzy blurry stuff |
| [00:08:03] | juski: | stand there, wishing it'd respond to the music somehow.. show some sign of life.. |
| [00:08:39] | Ryushin: | Okay, I'm convinced. I'll find the projectm stuff. |
| [00:08:46] | juski: | never does. and for that reason I've never seen the point in it whatsoever |
| [00:09:11] | laga: | juski: huh? does it not move/change for ya? |
| [00:09:36] | juski: | laga: it kinda does, but it never does _much_ & it never responds to the music well |
| [00:09:46] | juski: | never has on any of my installs |
| [00:10:02] | laga: | weird |
| [00:10:08] | Ryushin: | goom seems to change for me in my music. |
| [00:10:18] | juski: | most I've ever seen it do is like a spinning fft with trails. lame |
| [00:10:19] | Ryushin: | Not huge changes, but it does change. |
| [00:10:25] | directhex: | realtime audio alaysis is impossible, certainly in the way vis plugins do it |
| [00:10:54] | juski: | directhex: I know how hard it is, but it could at least show willing ;) |
| [00:11:24] | laga: | i just want nice eye candy |
| [00:11:36] | juski: | and fwiw, milkdrop on XBMC is simply mind-blowingly good |
| [00:11:55] | directhex: | juski, give up. the only option is pre-analysis of tracks. all vis will look wrong unless it's pre-seeded with detail about the track, e.g. tempo |
| [00:12:19] | juski: | directhex: a lot of visuals are very good at beat detection |
| [00:12:52] | directhex: | they mostly guess |
| [00:13:10] | juski: | well whatever, they do _something_ and act on things |
| [00:13:41] | juski: | the net effect is your eyes are drawn to it – but not in a way you end up staring at it waiting for something to happen ;) |
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| [00:14:00] | juski: | http://www.ios-software.com/goom/goom.jpg – I mean wtf is that about? |
| [00:14:18] | laga: | nifty |
| [00:14:58] | directhex: | my favourite visualization is called whitecap, if memory serves |
| [00:15:07] | directhex: | it's a whizzy wireframe-based vis |
| [00:15:11] | directhex: | for winamp |
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| [00:16:12] | directhex: | more conceptually, i get hard for the music video for the chemical brothers' "star guitar". and dreamcast game "rez". as far as synaesthesia excites me anyway |
| [00:16:33] | juski: | star guitar is one of my fave music videos of all time |
| [00:16:39] | juski: | michel gondry is a genius |
| [00:18:31] | juski: | anyway if I was a stoner & my stoner friends were coming over to my stoner party I'd not crank up goom ;) |
| [00:30:02] | sphery: | Ryushin: OpenGL is used in Myth's menus, in MythGallery, and will be used in playback in the future |
| [00:30:13] | sphery: | The menu's usage of them will get to be more and more prominent |
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| [00:35:17] | jblack: | Oh wow. I just got a friendly email from Professor Chambers that a funds transfer of $5 million has been approved. All I need to do is give them my full name, phone number and address |
| [00:36:58] | jblack: | Odd, though, that they mailed me all the way from spain |
| [00:37:34] | juski: | $5 million? wow that's worth going to the effort of telling them the info they want |
| [00:38:01] | jblack: | Absolutely. I bet I could even speed the process up by giving them my checking account number. |
| [00:39:23] | jblack: | I wonder why he used his www-data account though. |
| [00:39:28] | SiD3WiNDR: | =) |
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| [00:40:55] | jblack: | Does anyone know enough spanish to translate "Dear admin. XXXX is either an open proxy, or has been rooted." |
| [00:41:53] | laga: | use lolcat? |
| [00:42:33] | Ryushin: | sphery: Well, I turned off opengl for my menus because x11vnc has huge problems displaying it. How is opengl going to be used for playback? Is that part of the opengl spec? |
| [00:43:29] | jblack: | ryushin: Perhaps the devs plan on setting up the menus so that the menu balls float around. ;D |
| [00:44:14] | juski: | or not (I hope) |
| [00:44:45] | juski: | nah I don't mind so long as the end result doesn't suck like linuxmce :) |
| [00:46:00] | Ryushin: | jblack: Why not use babel? |
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| [00:50:27] | my2keh: | is it possible to disable a tuner? |
| [00:51:17] | NoobSauce: | I have a hauppauge 150 card that is not being detected in 'input connections', but mythtv correctly probes the info from the 'capture cards' section. I've never done this before, so it's entirely possible I'm doing something stupid wrong. I'm following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . 27bd2a4ab6e2 |
| [00:52:09] | NoobSauce: | when I select tuner1 from 'input connections' and try to do something (like scan for channels), it says 'failed to open card' |
| [00:55:54] | sphery: | Ryushin: As of now the OpenGL is the menus isn't that great (not worth switching drivers for). In the future, it will make the UI look /much/ better. |
| [00:56:27] | Ryushin: | sphery: I wonder if x11vnc will better support opengl in the future as well. |
| [00:56:38] | laga: | sphery: any ETA on said future? :> |
| [00:56:41] | sphery: | Ryushin: For playback, it's will be used for everything from simple display allowing picture controls on cards that don't support overlays (i.e. GF6x00 and above) |
| [00:57:03] | sphery: | Ryushin: To doing--on the GPU--picture enhancements (filters, deint, etc.) |
| [00:57:25] | sphery: | laga: I don't see this future being too near. :) |
| [00:57:31] | laga: | heh |
| [00:57:34] | laga: | thought as much ;) |
| [00:58:03] | sphery: | Ryushin: The problem with supporting OpenGL via VNC is that they have 2 completely different purposes--direct rendering versus remote display. |
| [00:58:18] | sphery: | Ryushin: You'll probably see better support with X redisplay, though |
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| [01:00:03] | sphery: | NoobSauce: sounds like a permissions issue. Does the user who's running mythtv-setup have permissions to the card? |
| [01:00:11] | laga: | heh. audio output stuff is in libs/libmyth, video output is in libs/libmythv/ |
| [01:00:14] | sphery: | (i.e. in the video group or however your distro does it?) |
| [01:00:31] | sphery: | audio is used for music and more than just TV |
| [01:00:45] | sphery: | of course, now that Internal player is being used for MythVideo (non-recordings video)... |
| [01:00:53] | NoobSauce: | sphery: yeah, I think it was added to the mythtv group at one point... oh, but I'm running it as root I think... |
| [01:01:12] | NoobSauce: | sphery: how do you check which users have what groups? |
| [01:01:14] | sphery: | NoobSauce: any errors in the logs? |
| [01:01:23] | NoobSauce: | sphery: where are the logs? |
| [01:01:23] | sphery: | as root, groups mythtv |
| [01:01:28] | sphery: | tells you what groups mythtv is in |
| [01:02:18] | sphery: | mythtv-setup "logs" are generally in the console you used to start mythtv-setup. |
| [01:02:46] | sphery: | Or, you could start it as: mythtv-setup 2>&1 | tee mythtv-setup.log |
| [01:03:04] | sphery: | (or put a path before the filename--/path/to/mythtv-setup.log) |
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| [01:05:36] | NoobSauce: | ok, I'm running it as genesis, and genesis shows that it is part of the mythtv group |
| [01:05:52] | NoobSauce: | there are no logs, other than this weird 401 error from the zap2it listings |
| [01:05:57] | laga: | did you log out and back in? |
| [01:06:06] | NoobSauce: | I can try... gimme a sec |
| [01:06:31] | laga: | oh |
| [01:06:37] | laga: | sorry, thought you had a different issue |
| [01:06:41] | sphery: | NoobSauce: 401 is normal for first access of the listings server (says to authenticate) |
| [01:06:59] | sphery: | NoobSauce: You are using Schedules Direct, though, right? |
| [01:07:08] | NoobSauce: | what's schedules direct? |
| [01:07:24] | sphery: | Replacement for Zap2It labs that's shutting down, er, today |
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| [01:07:32] | jblack: | That's the for-pay service meant to replace the old zap2it |
| [01:07:38] | sphery: | (Probably actually shut down on Monday when they return to work) |
| [01:07:50] | sphery: | http://schedulesdirect.org/ for more |
| [01:07:53] | jblack: | Monday is a holiday in the u.s. |
| [01:08:15] | sphery: | Oh, yeah. For "normal" people it is. So, probably Z2L will work 'til Tuesday |
| [01:08:34] | sphery: | (I'm in the US, but not so normal.) |
| [01:09:16] | NoobSauce: | well, it's weird because it says that it has a '401 unauthorized', but it manages to pull the data direct lineup in mythtv... |
| [01:09:38] | NoobSauce: | in any case, as far as permissions go, genesis is in the mythtv group... |
| [01:10:00] | sphery: | NoobSauce: Right. The first try is unauthorized, then it authorizes for the second try, which works. |
| [01:10:23] | NoobSauce: | sphery: yeah, I can confirm that on my end... |
| [01:10:34] | sphery: | NoobSauce: and the mythtv group has access to the video hardware? I.e. what are permissions for /dev/video0 (et. al.) |
| [01:10:41] | NoobSauce: | but then why is the card not opening...? |
| [01:10:53] | NoobSauce: | let me check |
| [01:10:53] | d3ity: | hey guys, still having problems with ivtv. For some reason, I don't think the driver is properly loading. I followed all the firmware instructions, but I'm not sure what's not going right |
| [01:11:03] | laga: | d3ity: dmesg? |
| [01:11:35] | sphery: | d3ity: tac /var/log/messages | sed -n '/=\ \ END INIT IVTV\ \ =/,/= START INIT IVTV =/p; /= START INIT IVTV =/q' | tac |
| [01:11:36] | d3ity: | http://rafb.net/p/IBIUO942.html |
| [01:11:58] | NoobSauce: | sphery: /dev/video0 has crw-rw---- permissions, so the group has rw permissions... It doesn't need execute or anything weird like that does it? |
| [01:12:16] | directhex: | NoobSauce, what type of card did you configure as in mythtv-setup? if it's set to "analog capture card" and not "mpeg 2 encoder" (or whatever the exact terms used are) you get a kick in the nuts |
| [01:12:31] | sphery: | ouch |
| [01:12:42] | sphery: | I guess it helps you remember for next time, though. |
| [01:12:57] | NoobSauce: | directhex: yeah, that was in the guide. I set it to the mpg2 encoder |
| [01:13:03] | d3ity: | any ideas guys? |
| [01:13:07] | sphery: | NoobSauce: And the group in question is the mythtv group, right? |
| [01:13:09] | NoobSauce: | they specifically mentioned that that was a common issue :P |
| [01:13:47] | sphery: | d3ity: looks like the driver is loading correctly (you didn't do a grep to get that output, did you?) |
| [01:13:58] | NoobSauce: | sphery: yeah, when I do a groups on either mythtv or genesis, both have 'video' as an entry, and the /dev/video0 is owned by video |
| [01:14:03] | sphery: | d3ity: do you have video devices in /dev (i.e. /dev/video0 ...) |
| [01:14:15] | sphery: | NoobSauce: OK. Looks good. |
| [01:15:20] | ** sphery wakes up... ** | |
| [01:15:28] | NoobSauce: | this is my first time with all this, so I don't even know where to look... If it's any more informative, I followed the guide I pointed to word for word (I even reinstalled the system from scratch like they had at the beginning)... so if there's a problem, it's probably in the guide... (?) or with my hardware (?), or with my stupidity (!) |
| [01:15:38] | sphery: | NoobSauce: Really, though, you should /never/ use a channel scan on an analog capture card in the US. |
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| [01:15:49] | d3ity: | sphery, yes I do |
| [01:15:54] | NoobSauce: | sphery: why? |
| [01:16:04] | sphery: | No reason to do one. |
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| [01:16:09] | sphery: | NoobSauce: See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [01:16:48] | sphery: | Do what's listed there--including the delete all video sources stuff (to clean out the garbage from previous config attempts) and reconfigure as described for North American users (using Fetch channels from listings provider) |
| [01:17:56] | sphery: | NoobSauce: basically, the analog channel scanner should /only/ be used if there's no other way to set up channels (and there are few places in the world where that's the case). It's not very robust (because it's mostly unnecessary). |
| [01:18:34] | NoobSauce: | oh wow... you know what I did? I forgot to put in a 'video source'. They didn't show it in the picture, so I didn't do it either... :P Wow is that stupid |
| [01:18:54] | sphery: | NoobSauce: Normally, the Delete all video sources wouldn't be required (if starting fresh), but the config instructions described in that post are correct |
| [01:19:00] | sphery: | (If I do say so myself. :) |
| [01:19:39] | sphery: | But I /highly/ recommend doing a Delete all video sources now to clear out the garbage that got in from failed config attempts. |
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| [01:19:51] | NoobSauce: | I never successfully got a listing... |
| [01:19:52] | my2keh: | is it possible to disable a tuner? |
| [01:20:02] | NoobSauce: | but I'll do it anyways... it will only take a minute |
| [01:20:07] | sphery: | d3ity: What maks you think that the driver isn't loading properly |
| [01:20:48] | sphery: | my2keh: Only by deleting the disconnecting the input (and, if no inputs on the card are active, deleting the capture card) from mythtv-setup |
| [01:21:05] | sphery: | Only by disconnecting the input (and, if no inputs on the card are active, deleting the capture card) from mythtv-setup |
| [01:21:11] | sphery: | (ignore the first deleting the) |
| [01:21:35] | sphery: | NoobSauce: You won't get listings without a proper video source configuration. |
| [01:22:09] | NoobSauce: | sphery: yeah, I set up the video source, but in the input connections, I didn't link to it... so obviously it wasn't pulling the info |
| [01:23:10] | sphery: | Yeah. Basically, if you don't have everything configured/connected properly, Myth knows it can't record anything, and the EPG only shows what you /could/ record (regardless of how much junk is in the DB), so... |
| [01:23:27] | sphery: | as you said, without the input connection, you can't record, so you can't get listings. |
| [01:23:49] | d3ity: | sphery, i can't get channels to scan |
| [01:24:05] | d3ity: | sphery, even with ivtv-tune and catting /dev/video0 I get no picture |
| [01:24:11] | sphery: | laga: any translations (at least of the quote) available for us German-challenged folk? I got the second sentance, but not the first. |
| [01:24:21] | sphery: | d3ity: In the US? |
| [01:25:18] | laga: | sphery: "you can download epg data for the next 7 days here" or so |
| [01:25:30] | sphery: | Oh. thx. |
| [01:25:44] | d3ity: | sphery, yes. |
| [01:25:58] | sphery: | d3ity: 09.01 21:15:38 < sphery> NoobSauce: Really, though, you should /never/ use a channel scan on an analog capture card in the US. |
| [01:26:04] | laga: | sphery: $guy posted on mythtvtalk. i've just removed the URL. i doubt he's got permission to redistribute data |
| [01:26:28] | sphery: | d3ity: because there's no reason to do one. |
| [01:26:30] | d3ity: | sphery, hrm? ok. it's a PVR-150? anything specific I need to do for setup? |
| [01:26:40] | d3ity: | sphery, let me guess, pull it from listings? |
| [01:26:52] | d3ity: | however, the fact that I cannot get my card to tune is alarming |
| [01:27:03] | sphery: | laga: Just noticed the wrong channel follow up part, but that's interesting (and too bad) that someone's trying to redistribute without permission. |
| [01:27:04] | d3ity: | if ivtv-tune can't do it... how would myth do it? |
| [01:27:05] | NoobSauce: | sphery: ok, actually I got another problem... when I close mythtv, and it does the mythfilldatabase, I see that it just keeps hitting up zap2it for listings... like over and over and over... it's already on the 10th time or so... |
| [01:27:27] | sphery: | d3ity: Right. Fetch channels from listings provider. |
| [01:27:50] | d3ity: | sphery, but how does that help me tune channels if ivtv-tune can't do it? |
| [01:27:58] | sphery: | d3ity: Yeah, the cat (or better dd) of /dev/video0 should work. |
| [01:28:14] | d3ity: | sphery, where do I start looking given that dmesg is fine? |
| [01:28:17] | sphery: | d3ity: So you'll need to fix that before getting mythtv working. |
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| [01:28:35] | d3ity: | sphery, right... where should I look? |
| [01:28:49] | sphery: | d3ity: Are you sure with your ivtv-tune you're setting the proper standard (NTSC), resolution (720x480), and anything else? |
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| [01:29:19] | d3ity: | it always JustWorked(tm) for me on this system before. I just reinstalled gentoo and now i'm going through setting it up again |
| [01:29:26] | sphery: | d3ity: And using the proper frequency table (i.e. us-cable, us-cable-hrc, us-cable-irc, us-broadcast --though I have no idea what ivtv tune calls them) |
| [01:29:38] | sphery: | d3ity: 2.6.22 kernel? |
| [01:30:02] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: I'm being temporarily bitten by the inability to download the correct mysql src |
| [01:30:26] | tjcarter: | It's finally just started working though, so I may be able to report success soon |
| [01:30:33] | tjcarter: | I hope. |
| [01:30:38] | d3ity: | sphery, yes |
| [01:31:00] | sphery: | NoobSauce: mythfilldatabase will run the grabber for each day for which it grabs data. So, on the first (initial fill), that will be 14 days (for SD/Z2L). Then, it will be tomorrow and +13 (only two days once filled) |
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| [01:31:31] | sphery: | d3ity: that's likely the problem. I'd recommend chatting with people in #gentoo-mythtv (or whatever the channel is). Possibly #ivtv or something would help. |
| [01:31:57] | d3ity: | both channels appear dead... |
| [01:32:01] | sphery: | tjcarter: might have success on your OS X frontend? |
| [01:32:35] | tjcarter: | yes |
| [01:32:41] | NoobSauce: | sphery: ok thanks |
| [01:32:49] | tjcarter: | the problem always has been that qt3 doesn't actually build on a Mac |
| [01:32:55] | sphery: | d3ity: IIRC, Cardoe helped someone else who had the same issues (caused by kernel version) yesterday in #mythtv-gentoo. Do they have public logs? |
| [01:32:57] | tjcarter: | and Fink's doesn't work for Myth |
| [01:33:04] | sphery: | d3ity: May have been 2 days ago. |
| [01:33:16] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye was offering suggestions for that problem |
| [01:33:21] | sphery: | tjcarter: cool. Hope it works for you. |
| [01:33:33] | sphery: | NoobSauce: It did complete for you, right? |
| [01:33:38] | tjcarter: | I still want a FrontRow 2.0 frontend =D |
| [01:33:42] | tjcarter: | and a desktop frontend |
| [01:33:57] | tjcarter: | I figure both should be written using Qt4 directly or not using Qt at all. |
| [01:34:27] | tjcarter: | Actually, I wouldn't bother with Qt for a FrontRow 2.0 plugin |
| [01:34:37] | ** sphery likes the idea of no QT. ** | |
| [01:34:50] | sphery: | (though I don't know of any better OS C++ frameworks) |
| [01:35:27] | ** xris gives up on the inevitable and buys the shiny black antec chassis ** | |
| [01:35:28] | tjcarter: | I'd probably do it like Transmission |
| [01:35:32] | NoobSauce: | sphery: it's still going on the second run... I'm waiting |
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| [01:35:52] | GreyFoxx: | xris: Which one are you getting ? |
| [01:35:58] | xris: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129030 |
| [01:35:59] | tjcarter: | Write a common pile of code that is a frontend, and then write a UI for that code in ObjC |
| [01:36:07] | tjcarter: | you can produce one in GTK+, Qt, whatever. |
| [01:36:33] | xris: | got a nice media-friendly microatx mobo, and a quad core proc to replace the dual core in my server (which will go into the mythbox) |
| [01:36:34] | NoobSauce: | oh sexiness |
| [01:37:13] | tjcarter: | That's really the best way to go because it allows focusing on the real aspects of communicating with mythbackend to be considered seperately from how that is presented to the user. |
| [01:37:20] | GreyFoxx: | xris: Nice. I'm ordering this one : http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/de . . . x_vc7001.asp with the medialab options for the VFD, cntrol buttons and IR receiver |
| [01:37:32] | tjcarter: | It's not going to be trivial to write in in C (C bites), but it's a common denominator. |
| [01:37:47] | sphery: | NoobSauce: Once you get it all set up for Z2L, you'll be ready to read up on Schedules Direct and then change it over. :) |
| [01:38:05] | GreyFoxx: | Is Monday a Holiday in the US ? |
| [01:38:10] | sphery: | Yep. |
| [01:38:12] | tjcarter: | yes |
| [01:38:15] | sphery: | (for many, at least) |
| [01:38:15] | GreyFoxx: | ok |
| [01:38:26] | sphery: | Might mean that Z2L keeps working 'til Tuesday. :) |
| [01:38:31] | ** GreyFoxx wonders if the Z2L machines will turn off over the weekend or wait for Tuesday morning ** | |
| [01:38:36] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [01:38:40] | xris: | GreyFoxx: saw that one.. I don't like risers |
| [01:38:45] | d3ity: | GreyFoxx, yes |
| [01:38:46] | sphery: | So, you all will have to wait until Wednesday to make your millions. |
| [01:38:49] | d3ity: | GreyFoxx, labor day |
| [01:39:02] | GreyFoxx: | xris: I plan to use it as a frontend only with no cards or drives |
| [01:39:13] | sphery: | Or, really, it was $6000, wasn't it. |
| [01:39:13] | xris: | GreyFoxx: nice |
| [01:39:13] | NoobSauce: | GreyFoxx: yeah, labor day... it used to be a day to talk openly about union and wage issues... now it's just a shopping day for clothes and school items. I love America |
| [01:39:38] | tjcarter: | sphery: I really don't want to get bogged down in frontend coding just three weeks before grad school starts though, really ;) |
| [01:39:42] | sphery: | I thought it was a day to cook out on the grill. |
| [01:39:47] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: $6k and we'll head to cancun |
| [01:40:01] | sphery: | tjcarter: sounds like bad timing for a major coding project. :) |
| [01:40:08] | GreyFoxx: | NoobSauce: We have the same holiday here just wasn't sure if the US had ti as well |
| [01:40:11] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: IMHO, you all deserve it. |
| [01:40:11] | tjcarter: | yeah |
| [01:40:17] | d3ity: | anyone know how to get ivtv working with 2.6.22? |
| [01:40:19] | tjcarter: | especially given my little experiment |
| [01:40:27] | sphery: | (and so do the non-SD MythTV devs) |
| [01:40:30] | tjcarter: | I really want to do something like that. |
| [01:40:33] | laga: | d3ity: ask specific questions |
| [01:40:49] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: heh |
| [01:41:06] | d3ity: | laga, apparently my problem is bieng caused by kernel 2.6.22, I cannot tune channels with myth or ivtv-tune |
| [01:41:13] | d3ity: | dmesg appears normal |
| [01:41:18] | kslater: | anyone know where myth keeps track of mytharchive jobs that it thinks are running? |
| [01:41:36] | GreyFoxx: | I've seen more talk of starting to port Myth to QT4. Which will make a Windows frontend much more likely |
| [01:42:07] | laga: | d3ity: "appears"? pastebin? :) |
| [01:42:18] | d3ity: | http://rafb.net/p/IBIUO942.html |
| [01:42:40] | sphery: | kslater: jobqueue table (but the consequences of touching that table directly are your responsibility and not my fault :) |
| [01:43:00] | kslater: | thanks for the warning |
| [01:43:09] | laga: | d3ity: hum. looks good indeed. what happens if you're trying to tune? |
| [01:43:21] | sphery: | I'm guessing that MythArchive stuff goes in there, too (I haven't used MythArchive, yet, because I have an unsupported config--not a combined frontend/backend) |
| [01:43:27] | kslater: | I had a native archive running and it was killing the io on my machine |
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| [01:44:13] | BrightEyes`: | anyone help me make my tv card work? when i "lspci" i get 02:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| [01:44:55] | laga: | BrightEyes`: www.linuxtv.org |
| [01:45:41] | Aval0n: | guys if you put a deinterlace option and a custom filter in playback like denoise3d, does that work for your recordings too? |
| [01:45:50] | BrightEyes`: | laga: thanks friend! im installing mythtv now with apt...should that help? |
| [01:45:50] | Aval0n: | it seems like my recordings are a bit more pixely than livetv |
| [01:46:20] | laga: | BrightEyes`: you should make sure that your tv card is working before you try mythtv |
| [01:46:49] | laga: | Aval0n: those are playback filters. recording filters are separate and will only affect framegrabber cards |
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| [01:46:55] | BrightEyes`: | with "lspci" i get 02:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05).isnt that showing that my tvcard is working? |
| [01:47:05] | sphery: | Aval0n: it works on playback of recordings |
| [01:47:23] | laga: | BrightEyes`: that's just showing that it's plugged into your computer :) |
| [01:47:29] | sphery: | BrightEyes`: It shows that the machine knows it's there |
| [01:47:32] | sphery: | laga is fast... |
| [01:47:43] | BrightEyes`: | sphery: what can i do to see if it works? |
| [01:47:48] | sphery: | It doesn't even show whether drivers are loaded for it. |
| [01:47:55] | laga: | sphery: i hand-optimized my routing to core freenode servers |
| [01:48:05] | sphery: | lol |
| [01:48:14] | sphery: | I think you've also optimized your reading/typing skills |
| [01:48:18] | BrightEyes`: | sphery: when i had windoze the tvcard was working.pls make me find the way to make that work..i dont want to return back to windoze |
| [01:48:56] | sphery: | BrightEyes`: figuring out if it's working is really card-specific (and I don't use cards like that) |
| [01:49:10] | Aval0n: | sphery why do you thinkk my recordings are sub par to livetv? |
| [01:49:11] | laga: | BrightEyes`: is it a DVB card? or for analog tv? |
| [01:49:18] | BrightEyes`: | sphery: what can i do?? |
| [01:49:20] | laga: | Aval0n: different recording profile? |
| [01:49:22] | BrightEyes`: | laga: analog tv! |
| [01:49:22] | sphery: | Aval0n: There are different recording profiles |
| [01:49:31] | sphery: | he outtyped me, again... |
| [01:49:32] | Aval0n: | it have it set for high quality |
| [01:49:38] | Aval0n: | I* |
| [01:50:07] | sphery: | Aval0n: but you need to check the parameters of the high-quality recording profile and compare them to the params of hte LiveTV recording profile |
| [01:50:10] | laga: | BrightEyes`: ok. you can download xawtv or maybe kaffeine. try to tune some channels with xawtv |
| [01:50:48] | BrightEyes`: | laga: i have kaffeine.im on kubuntu 7.04 |
| [01:50:59] | BrightEyes`: | xawtv?? how about mythtv.im now d/l mythtv |
| [01:51:06] | laga: | bah. sad that #2903 was rejected. it seems to fix my stuttery playback |
| [01:51:24] | sphery: | Aval0n: specifically, look at bitrate and resolution. For NTSC with PVR-x50's, use 720x480 and 4500/6000 bitrate is probably good. |
| [01:51:25] | laga: | BrightEyes`: it's easier to find out if your tv card is working if you try xawtv |
| [01:51:47] | Aval0n: | i was 5000/7500 |
| [01:51:50] | BrightEyes`: | laga: im on an 768Kbps connection so we must be a little patient..hm..ok.when it will finishes i will download xawtv as well |
| [01:51:55] | Aval0n: | ok thanks sphery |
| [01:52:28] | laga: | BrightEyes`: do you know https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV ? |
| [01:52:44] | d3ity: | laga, it seems to tune fine, but when i cat /dev/video and play it back all I get is static |
| [01:52:45] | sphery: | laga: I'm guessing from Daniel's response that there's something better in mythtv-vid |
| [01:53:14] | tjcarter: | DAMMIT |
| [01:53:23] | sphery: | Aval0n: that bitrate should work fine. Make sure it's "full" D1 resolution, though (720x480 NTSC or 720x576 PAL) |
| [01:53:45] | tjcarter: | binarycompass apparently isn't interested in having a script download mysql4 |
| [01:53:57] | BrightEyes`: | laga: whats combined Backend, Frontend, & Regular Desktop? |
| [01:53:58] | sphery: | d3ity: Sounds like you're specifying a bad frequency (i.e. using the wrong frequency table or something) |
| [01:54:00] | tjcarter: | or anybody else at the moment, apparently |
| [01:54:08] | laga: | sphery: i doubt it :/ he basically says to disable deinterlacing if your display matches your capture resolution. this doesn't work properly for me, though |
| [01:54:12] | ** tjcarter is officially irritated. ** | |
| [01:54:14] | laga: | BrightEyes`: it's explained there. |
| [01:54:50] | ** sphery wonders how many cardinal directions there are on a binary compass? ** | |
| [01:55:09] | ** tjcarter takes matters into own hands ** | |
| [01:55:15] | BrightEyes`: | laga: whats HTPC? |
| [01:55:22] | sphery: | home-theater PC |
| [01:55:26] | BrightEyes`: | laga: Home Theater oh |
| [01:56:13] | BrightEyes`: | laga: i believe Combined Backend Frontend is for me.what do u think? i just want to watch some tv on my desktop |
| [01:56:47] | laga: | if you just want to watch some tv, then mythtv is not for you. mythtv is a powerful recording/HTPC application |
| [01:56:47] | NoobSauce: | sphery: woohoo! it all works! Except I just realized the 150 is an analog only card, and I can only get 5 channels out of the 100 or so that I have... :P |
| [01:57:15] | tjcarter: | BrightEyes`: If you want to do it on your desktop, you don't want combined. |
| [01:57:36] | tjcarter: | BrightEyes`: Myth kinda takes over the box you run it on, sort of by necessity |
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| [01:57:56] | tjcarter: | you can put a frontend on your desktop easily |
| [01:57:56] | BrightEyes`: | tjcarter: well i use kde..and it says that "Software-wise, it will have the minimum required software to fit the end use- e.g. Gnome or KDE environments are overkill in this application and will not be installed" now what? |
| [01:58:34] | tjcarter: | I am not sure I understand your question? |
| [01:58:59] | BrightEyes`: | tjcarter: but im on kde! it says that kde & gnome are overkill in this application and will not be instlaled |
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| [01:59:14] | tjcarter: | KDE is overkill for Myth |
| [01:59:22] | tjcarter: | uses a lot of CPU and whatnot, and so does a backend |
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| [01:59:44] | xamindar: | has anyone ever tried using mythtv in a carpc? |
| [01:59:50] | BrightEyes`: | tjcarter: what can i do to solve that? i use xfce as well but i mostly like kde |
| [02:00:09] | tjcarter: | that's why if you want to have myth on your desktop, you're better to build a seperate combined box optimized for just Myth, and then install myth frontend on your desktop |
| [02:00:22] | tjcarter: | that way myth won't take over the machine you do your work on |
| [02:00:34] | tjcarter: | but you'll still be able to pull up a frontend and watch TV on it |
| [02:00:42] | tjcarter: | it's kinda the setup I have here |
| [02:00:56] | tjcarter: | Except that my work machine is a Mac, not KDE/Linux |
| [02:01:38] | NoobSauce: | I'm typing this on a mac :) Who says you can't install linux on your mac? |
| [02:01:43] | NoobSauce: | other than your boss... |
| [02:01:43] | BrightEyes`: | tjcarter: now what can i do? |
| [02:02:17] | tjcarter: | NoobSauce: I bought a Mac because I used to run Gentoo and had OOo die and need a recompile .. I found this out as I sat down to use it for an exam. |
| [02:02:33] | tjcarter: | NoobSauce: I concluded I needed a UNIX box I didn't have to f**k with too much to do my school work. |
| [02:02:41] | Yahooadam: | I always hear that mythtv is so much better then MCE, and all that jazz – but after trying it i really don't see how its so much better, MCE just looks 100x better, is it something I'm doing wrong ? |
| [02:03:22] | tjcarter: | BrightEyes`: well you CAN build a combined Myth box on your desktop, bit it's not going to run well because you use KDE and other heavy applications on it. |
| [02:03:42] | laga: | tjcarter: you should have removed -omgigosofast from your CFLAGS then ;) |
| [02:03:56] | NoobSauce: | tjcarter: yeah, nothing to say there... OOo sucks... the alternatives aren't much better... If only there were a way to run iWork from linux :) |
| [02:04:07] | tjcarter: | BrightEyes`: OR you can build a second small box with modest CPU, RAM, and as big a HD as you can find.. |
| [02:04:14] | BrightEyes`: | tjcarter: ok any other light programs to watch tv? |
| [02:04:23] | tjcarter: | BrightEyes`: then throw KnoppMyth or so on it and don't worry about it. |
| [02:04:26] | BrightEyes`: | tjcarter: i cant do that |
| [02:04:32] | kash: | photoshop contest: http://cruciable.net/pictures/photoshop-contest.jpg |
| [02:04:37] | tjcarter: | oh, you just wanna watch TV, not necessarily record? |
| [02:04:41] | tjcarter: | I suggest tvtime |
| [02:04:54] | tjcarter: | tvtime is a better TV watcher than Myth, actually |
| [02:05:01] | tjcarter: | but Myth records |
| [02:05:08] | BrightEyes`: | tjcarter: i have tvtime.but i dont know how to make it work |
| [02:05:09] | NoobSauce: | what's the best pvr card out there? Watching tv on my hauppauge 150 seems to be a little staticky... plus it's analog only... what's the best digital card? |
| [02:05:27] | Yahooadam: | nova-t 500 seems ok to me |
| [02:05:35] | Yahooadam: | pretty easy to get going |
| [02:05:42] | tjcarter: | seems like you have a more fundamental problem, and I can try to help--AFTER I am fed. |
| [02:06:34] | BrightEyes`: | tjcarter: can u help me? |
| [02:06:56] | NoobSauce: | Yahooadam: but weren't you just saying how the picture isn't very good on those cards? |
| [02:07:57] | RyeBrye: | I just saw Vista's Media Center – and yeah, the UI is very nice |
| [02:07:59] | tjcarter: | Nope, not till I go get food. |
| [02:08:02] | tjcarter: | after, I'll try |
| [02:08:15] | Yahooadam: | no im saying that MythTV in general just doesnt look as good, the interface is much poorer and much more difficult |
| [02:08:23] | NoobSauce: | whoa... mythtv is using 100% CPU watching TV!! How is that possible?! Is this a similar experience for people here? |
| [02:08:28] | Yahooadam: | i dont see why everyone think its so great .... |
| [02:08:43] | RyeBrye: | The backend is way more functional, that's why |
| [02:08:46] | BrightEyes`: | tjcarter: ok:) |
| [02:08:54] | Yahooadam: | ill give you that for sure, the backend is good |
| [02:09:05] | Yahooadam: | but who cares, if you cant watch it easilly, it doesnt matter |
| [02:09:08] | NoobSauce: | video playback takes like 10% cpu... so I got some cheap slow cpu... didn't know watching tv chews like crazy... |
| [02:09:27] | Yahooadam: | if its HDTV it definetly chews CPU |
| [02:09:29] | RyeBrye: | Well, you can get 100% money back from MythTV then and go apply that towards an MCE box – or you can find a way to contribute to make it better |
| [02:10:05] | Yahooadam: | im not trying to bash it here, im just asking, is it somthing ive done wrong, or is this what mythtv is like ? |
| [02:10:18] | Yahooadam: | i mean, its ok, but everyone allways raves about it, i just dont see it ... |
| [02:10:38] | RyeBrye: | For recorded watching, it rocks |
| [02:10:46] | RyeBrye: | for live TV, I would say there are many things that beat it |
| [02:10:54] | RyeBrye: | TiVo kicks its ass for live TV, as does MCE |
| [02:10:55] | Yahooadam: | maybe thats my problem ... |
| [02:11:21] | Yahooadam: | im still messing with the listings, so ive only really used livetv so far |
| [02:11:23] | RyeBrye: | Try doing MythWeb on an MCE box though |
| [02:11:33] | RyeBrye: | (the web frontend for remote scheduling) |
| [02:11:37] | Yahooadam: | its a bit slow, but it works fine |
| [02:12:00] | RyeBrye: | I was off at a party doing a fantasy football draft and my wife called me and asked me to schedule a recording on our Mythbox – so I just pulled up Mythweb and did it |
| [02:12:10] | RyeBrye: | THAT kind of thing is why people rave about MythTV |
| [02:13:03] | RyeBrye: | The trunk version streams your recordings over flash video |
| [02:13:04] | Yahooadam: | webguide on MCE is = mythweb for mythtv |
| [02:13:10] | RyeBrye: | Not quite |
| [02:13:16] | RyeBrye: | Yes, you can schedule stuff |
| [02:13:18] | Yahooadam: | well its a bit slower |
| [02:13:32] | Yahooadam: | you can stream if you pay |
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| [02:14:01] | RyeBrye: | yeah, MCE has some nice stuff – I like the sports scores thing it does in live TV |
| [02:14:13] | Yahooadam: | i just like how its simple |
| [02:14:14] | RyeBrye: | I was thinking about how I could write a thing for the frontend that would mimic that |
| [02:14:21] | Yahooadam: | go into the guide, find the program, press rec |
| [02:14:22] | Yahooadam: | dont |
| [02:14:24] | Yahooadam: | done # |
| [02:14:38] | RyeBrye: | Um. That's the use case you ar edescribng? |
| [02:14:42] | RyeBrye: | that's how it works in mythtv as well |
| [02:14:54] | Yahooadam: | true, but getting the guide to work in mythtv is an ass |
| [02:15:01] | RyeBrye: | where are you lcoated? |
| [02:15:07] | Yahooadam: | UK – south east |
| [02:15:13] | RyeBrye: | Oh, in that case I don't know |
| [02:15:17] | RyeBrye: | In the US it's very easy |
| [02:15:24] | RyeBrye: | do you have to use XMLTV or someting? |
| [02:15:30] | Yahooadam: | yeah :( |
| [02:15:37] | RyeBrye: | That sucks. |
| [02:15:43] | Yahooadam: | i think thats one of the things that ruins it for me |
| [02:15:57] | kyi: | anyone using a mac as a remote backend? or is it possiable? |
| [02:15:59] | laga: | xmltv in the UK is not that bad |
| [02:16:09] | RyeBrye: | KYI – I considered it but never implemented it |
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| [02:16:17] | Yahooadam: | i have like 50 channels |
| [02:16:18] | RyeBrye: | I was thinking of making my mac as a transcoding / commflagging machine |
| [02:16:24] | Yahooadam: | but im only getting listings for maybe 1/2 that |
| [02:16:26] | kyi: | the frontend runs fine |
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| [02:16:49] | Yahooadam: | well i havent written it off yet, i guess i just need to spend (even) more time on it |
| [02:17:23] | kyi: | I'll look in to it more, I just asked here before searching |
| [02:17:50] | Yahooadam: | remote backend ? |
| [02:17:56] | kyi: | yes |
| [02:17:58] | Yahooadam: | can you even get the tuners to work on a mac ? |
| [02:18:30] | Yahooadam: | if you can, i dont see why it wouldnt work ... |
| [02:18:38] | laga: | maybe the network tuners. dbox2 and hdhomerun |
| [02:18:39] | kyi: | I mac osx I can use my usb tuner from hauppauge |
| [02:19:24] | kyi: | but that doesn't mean it will work in myth, I have a mac/linux dual boot but was just wondering if it would work on the mac side |
| [02:19:39] | Yahooadam: | no harm in trying ? |
| [02:19:41] | kyi: | no biggie if it doesn't |
| [02:19:49] | kyi: | O i'll try |
| [02:19:51] | Yahooadam: | couple of wasted hours :p |
| [02:20:15] | kyi: | it saturday nothing else to do |
| [02:20:44] | Yahooadam: | :) |
| [02:20:48] | RyeBrye: | The backend compiles I'm pretty sure |
| [02:21:19] | kyi: | yea it does, just have not used it on anything other then linux |
| [02:21:33] | Yahooadam: | right well its about time to sleep, gnite yall, enjoy :) |
| [02:21:36] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. I have used the frontend on OSX |
| [02:21:46] | kyi: | been using the frontend on mac osx |
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| [02:24:12] | Cyberai: | has anyone ever seen a situation where myth freezes if you try to exit a recording or at the end of the recording? |
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| [02:24:55] | kyi: | ya the mac frontend does that some times |
| [02:25:07] | kyi: | not sure what causes it though |
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| [02:26:44] | luke_: | evening gentlemen. |
| [02:26:46] | Cyberai: | I upgraded to SVn and now it does it on every recording |
| [02:27:08] | luke_: | I'm trying to use mediatomb as a upnp server since myth won't play back hd recordings with sound... |
| [02:27:21] | luke_: | But it reports my myth mpgs as unsupported data. |
| [02:27:24] | luke_: | when other mpgs work fine |
| [02:27:31] | luke_: | is there anything different about them that would cause that? |
| [02:28:31] | kyi: | do they play with sound on another app? |
| [02:28:36] | kyi: | like mplayer |
| [02:28:38] | languid: | hello, i've been using mythtv for a while now and am looking to find a easy to install and configure remote to use for it. are there any sure bets on remotes to buy? |
| [02:29:10] | luke_: | kyi, it's a known issue that qam recordings dont play back with sound from the myth dlna implementation. |
| [02:29:26] | kyi: | ahh I didn't know that |
| [02:29:37] | luke_: | basic SD recordings work fine |
| [02:29:40] | kyi: | I don't have a hd tuner card |
| [02:30:10] | kyi: | just that POS comcast hd dvr box |
| [02:30:19] | GreyFoxx: | luke_: Sounds like your player needs to allow you to pick alternate audio pids then |
| [02:30:40] | luke_: | It says right in the myth wiki that HD recordings have no sound. |
| [02:30:52] | sphery: | NoobSauce: Glad its working. Is that guide updatable? :) |
| [02:31:10] | GreyFoxx: | luke_: not all QAM records are HDTV, |
| [02:31:14] | Cyberai: | wait, I record HD all the time from my Motorola 61xx box via firewire and play back with sound. |
| [02:31:24] | NoobSauce: | sphery: yeah, since the channel listing service is being replaced. I'll send an e-mail off |
| [02:31:28] | GreyFoxx: | and even then it's likely due to the codec thge audio is in |
| [02:31:41] | luke_: | cyberai, it's only over upnp that it doesn't play back sound. |
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| [02:31:46] | Cyberai: | oh |
| [02:31:46] | GreyFoxx: | most cable cos are using AC3 for HDTV audio |
| [02:31:48] | sphery: | NoobSauce: And if you had issues with the video source/input connections stuff, mentioning those may be good. |
| [02:31:55] | luke_: | the recordings work fine from within mythfrontend |
| [02:32:04] | NoobSauce: | Now, I just need to find a good HDTV card, and a way to do HDMI out on linux and I'm set :) |
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| [02:32:09] | Cyberai: | yeah, I pipe my audio directly into my surround via optical psdif |
| [02:32:28] | GreyFoxx: | Though with my cableco all qam channels use AC3 for audio |
| [02:36:18] | kyi: | later all |
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| [02:36:23] | tjcarter: | ahh, now I am happy |
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| [02:37:47] | tjcarter: | I have sushi, so all is good |
| [02:38:05] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [02:39:02] | tjcarter: | So, are the cablecard specs really a deep dark secret? |
| [02:39:10] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [02:39:38] | tjcarter: | They can't be that deep or dark given that every serious digital TV has a slot |
| [02:39:42] | kash: | GreyFoxx was conceived by a miracle. No, not really.. it was the result of a party. His mom's party. In her womb.. a lot of people came. |
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| [02:40:10] | kash: | </random> |
| [02:40:19] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: You need NDA's and a lot of money just to get the info about it |
| [02:40:35] | GreyFoxx: | and they will sue your ass if you violate it |
| [02:40:41] | GreyFoxx: | cablelabs is serious about it |
| [02:40:55] | tjcarter: | same with bluray, but that's been sorted already.. =) |
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| [02:41:30] | thunter: | how do i get mythfrontend to launch on my tv-out screen instead of my lcd on bootup in ubuntu? |
| [02:41:42] | GreyFoxx: | Myth will never support it if the possibily of lawsuits against mythdevs exists:) |
| [02:41:48] | sphery: | So if you were writing a way for Myth to accept an unknown number of value triplets from a user-supplied script, how would you delimit the script output? |
| [02:42:13] | sphery: | (these values get stuffed into the machine status, so not critical to operation) |
| [02:42:22] | GreyFoxx: | []:[] Is the mythprotocol seperater I think |
| [02:42:41] | ** CCFL_Man2 notes dvb-s ** | |
| [02:43:03] | GreyFoxx: | CCFL_Man2: DVB-S is a wide open and public standard |
| [02:43:05] | sphery: | That would work... []:[]:[] on each line, new lines separate triplets |
| [02:43:26] | CCFL_Man2: | GreyFoxx: i know, most of the time you get better tv than cable |
| [02:43:39] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Does it actually put the data in brackets or were you using those to "stand in" for data? |
| [02:43:43] | GreyFoxx: | CCFL_Man2: definately nicer images |
| [02:44:05] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: No those are part of the delimiter |
| [02:44:05] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: that possibility exists now b/c Myth doesn't do what TiVo does when told to expire a program |
| [02:44:09] | sphery: | cool. |
| [02:44:23] | sphery: | I'll go with that for now. I can modify once I get feedback. thanks |
| [02:44:25] | tjcarter: | that's not in widespread use yet, and AFAIK it was only tested the one time |
| [02:44:32] | CCFL_Man2: | GreyFoxx: yeah, if you have an array of big dishes, you can get good tv for cheap or free |
| [02:44:51] | GreyFoxx: | CCFL_Man2: Yeah, or a rotor to move around to various sats |
| [02:45:01] | GreyFoxx: | some real nice all HDTV movie channels too |
| [02:45:08] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [02:45:13] | CCFL_Man2: | F cable |
| [02:45:13] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: I'd like to see the channel changer on that setup ;) |
| [02:45:52] | tjcarter: | actually, I'd like to change channels about 1 second sooner than currently is done |
| [02:46:06] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: Huh? There is no requirement for a user to delete a recording just because the cablecos want you too. Just cause Tivo has incorporated the feature doesn;t make it illegal to not do it. Otherwise your VCR would be illegal :) |
| [02:46:17] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: What kind of input do you have ? |
| [02:46:43] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, thanks to the EFF's slaying of the broadcast flag, it's not illegal (yet). |
| [02:46:50] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: but it's digital, so the rules have changed! Hence DMCA and other bullshit ;) |
| [02:46:59] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: hehe hardly :) |
| [02:47:05] | CCFL_Man2: | F the dmca, i do whatever i want |
| [02:47:09] | tjcarter: | I know that, you know that |
| [02:47:26] | CCFL_Man2: | i don't really care about the earnings of the big corperate giants |
| [02:47:31] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: I was worried that you guys would implement that. Glad someone cut it down |
| [02:48:01] | tjcarter: | CCFL_Man2: I am well-known in #macdev for defeating DRM because it's there. =) |
| [02:48:13] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: I was worried, too. Even got out my atlas to look for other countries I could move to. |
| [02:48:24] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Heh |
| [02:48:33] | languid: | does anyone here have the windows xp media center remote (here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880100851) that could tell me if it's any good with mythtv? |
| [02:49:13] | tjcarter: | As I see it, the circumvention device provisions of the DMCA has been enforced exactly twice, and both times the government came out looking really stupid. |
| [02:49:29] | tjcarter: | So I say let them enforce it, I could use my 15 minutes |
| [02:49:33] | GreyFoxx: | languid: Several people tell me it's good. In fact I'm picking up one on Tuesday to replace a broken remote I have |
| [02:50:11] | languid: | GreyFoxx: cool, that's good news for me. do you happen to know which is the most common remote for myth users? i just want something that's a sure bet. |
| [02:50:28] | GreyFoxx: | languid: That I don't know |
| [02:50:32] | tjcarter: | languid: MCE USB remotes work fine. |
| [02:50:53] | languid: | tjcarter: ok cool, i'm off to newegg then. thanks :) |
| [02:51:26] | tjcarter: | I suspect that the MCE USB remote is pretty common, probably in an even running for WinTV remotes |
| [02:51:35] | GreyFoxx: | we should have a lircrc editor in myth, maybe even a irrecord replacement for the initial lirc.conf stuff |
| [02:52:10] | languid: | tjcarter: and im using mythdora so installation should be a piece of cake, right? |
| [02:52:15] | tjcarter: | with other universal remotes being further down the line |
| [02:52:31] | tjcarter: | If mythdora ripped off the stuff from KM or vice versa, absolutely |
| [02:52:53] | tjcarter: | USB remotes that are supported are pretty trivial |
| [02:52:54] | languid: | tjcarter: hopefully |
| [02:53:05] | tjcarter: | Even my Firefly 2 was simple |
| [02:53:14] | CCFL_Man2: | tjcarter: nice, you figured out the shitty itunes drm? |
| [02:53:19] | tjcarter: | although, the Firefly 2 is a good idea that went wrong. |
| [02:53:26] | tjcarter: | CCFL_Man2: that's trivial |
| [02:53:33] | tjcarter: | CCFL_Man2: DVD Jon got that one |
| [02:53:42] | CCFL_Man2: | ahh, sweet |
| [02:53:54] | tjcarter: | CCFL_Man2: His fix generally wants Parallels or VMWare, but whatever. =) |
| [02:54:05] | tjcarter: | You just let Windows iTunes un-DRM the files for you. |
| [02:54:21] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [02:54:25] | luke_: | weird. I got it to work with mediatomb |
| [02:54:34] | luke_: | but still no audio |
| [02:54:39] | tjcarter: | It has never seemed to take Jon Johansen more than a day to produce a new data file for a new iTunes release ;) |
| [02:54:41] | luke_: | so.. it's not a myth thing |
| [02:54:54] | CCFL_Man2: | drm just doesn't work, i don't know why they don't see that |
| [02:55:51] | tjcarter: | I'm more interested in going the other way actually--an iTunes plugin for Myth, or possibly a daap server for mythbackend (exists but currently nonworking), or something like that. Better would be a MythFrontend replacement that drops into BackRow |
| [02:56:07] | tjcarter: | for use on AppleTV and Leopard |
| [02:56:49] | CCFL_Man2: | why not just music player daemon? |
| [02:57:16] | tjcarter: | the idea is wanting to be able to actually access recordings and whatnot from iTunes |
| [02:57:32] | CCFL_Man2: | samba/nfs? |
| [02:57:41] | tjcarter: | Myth doesn't have a frontend for desktop systems really. Closest it has is running Mythfrontend in a window |
| [02:58:02] | luke_: | or using a upnp client |
| [02:58:20] | CCFL_Man2: | i don't care for upnp for music |
| [02:58:31] | tjcarter: | I'm looking for video, not music |
| [02:58:37] | luke_: | upnp |
| [02:58:43] | luke_: | it's built into myth |
| [02:58:45] | luke_: | and it rocks. |
| [02:58:58] | tjcarter: | I'm aware, but iTunes doesn't natively support it currently. |
| [02:59:07] | tjcarter: | iTunes uses daap |
| [02:59:25] | CCFL_Man2: | tjcarter: why not just use nfs or samba and use myth video? |
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| [03:00:30] | tjcarter: | CCFL_Man2: what's 2707_20070828180000.mpg ? |
| [03:00:53] | tjcarter: | 'ell if I know. |
| [03:00:56] | CCFL_Man2: | it's the crazt naming scheme that itunes uses :P |
| [03:01:10] | tjcarter: | No it isn't |
| [03:01:17] | tjcarter: | it's the crazy naming scheme Myth uses =D |
| [03:01:36] | CCFL_Man2: | oh, heh |
| [03:01:51] | luke_: | dude. |
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| [03:01:54] | luke_: | use upnp |
| [03:02:08] | luke_: | there's a script that changes the file names.. but why. |
| [03:02:13] | luke_: | this just works. |
| [03:02:14] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: You can certainly cron mythrename.pl to give "prettynames" or like Luke says use upnp |
| [03:02:20] | luke_: | get a upnp client, and it'll just work. |
| [03:02:28] | tjcarter: | iTunes uses naming like ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Dream Theater/A Change of Seasons/01 A Change of Seasons.m4a |
| [03:03:06] | luke_: | I use grip to do that |
| [03:03:20] | luke_: | and point myth to the root music dir |
| [03:03:26] | tjcarter: | I'm not saying upnp is the wrong way to do it or that I don't want to use upnp |
| [03:03:53] | tjcarter: | I'm just saying that I'd like to plug it in to things that aren't typically considered for MythTV integration |
| [03:03:59] | tjcarter: | like Front Row on a Mac |
| [03:04:06] | luke_: | mediatomb |
| [03:04:13] | GreyFoxx: | If you require prettynames, run mythrename |
| [03:04:15] | tjcarter: | or hell, Windows Media Center if you absolutely had to |
| [03:04:21] | luke_: | amarok |
| [03:04:36] | luke_: | wine itunes |
| [03:04:57] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: I don't require pretty names (though I wouldn't mind a very quick wtfis 2707_20070828180000.mpg command ;) |
| [03:05:16] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: That would be 5seconds or per or a single commandline call |
| [03:05:31] | Ryushin: | Is there a script that can search for recorded programs that don't belong to a group and allow you to put them into a group that they belong? |
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| [03:05:47] | GreyFoxx: | echo "select title,subtitle from record where basename='2707_20070828180000.mpg'; | mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |
| [03:05:54] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: actually, for .mpg files, it could just look inside the nuv file |
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| [03:06:52] | tjcarter: | oh, hmm |
| [03:06:54] | tjcarter: | nevermind |
| [03:07:03] | tjcarter: | those aren't made anymore |
| [03:07:10] | tjcarter: | (the fake nuvs I mean) |
| [03:07:17] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, not for a lone time now |
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| [03:08:04] | tjcarter: | I assume the ones I have can be safely nuked? |
| [03:08:16] | GreyFoxx: | Have you watched them ? |
| [03:08:17] | CCFL_Man2: | my network audio player is a linksys usb router, it has two usb audio sticks, one outputs mpd, one outputs an internet radio station, mpd gets it's files on a cifs mount which is a windows machine downstairs sharing my mp3s |
| [03:08:28] | tjcarter: | they're single line text files |
| [03:08:38] | tjcarter: | how would I do that? =D |
| [03:08:51] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: I've never seen a nuv file that was a single line text file |
| [03:10:00] | tjcarter: | I have |
| [03:10:03] | tjcarter: | Creating dummy file for The Tick The Tick vs. the Tick |
| [03:10:08] | tjcarter: | that's one of them |
| [03:10:09] | CCFL_Man2: | i guess upnp and daap make it easier to access files over a network, rather than the difficulty of network file systems |
| [03:10:13] | tjcarter: | (and a good episode) |
| [03:10:23] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: I've never seen that before |
| [03:10:55] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: it might be from hamsta's 0.19 packages for Ubuntu dapper |
| [03:11:01] | tjcarter: | way back when |
| [03:11:11] | GreyFoxx: | ooh, |
| [03:11:19] | CCFL_Man2: | too bad samba is so noisy |
| [03:11:20] | ** GreyFoxx finds 2 orphaned recordings still on disk ** | |
| [03:12:04] | tjcarter: | CCFL_Man2: one limitation of daap is that you can't do normal MythTV functions with it |
| [03:12:19] | tjcarter: | you can't really stop and make a cutlist or delete an unwanted recording |
| [03:12:54] | CCFL_Man2: | i picked up two 8 port ethernet terminal servers for $90 |
| [03:13:04] | CCFL_Man2: | tjcarter: samba/nfs :P |
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| [03:13:28] | tjcarter: | well, you still need mythfrontend for that stuff ;) |
| [03:13:30] | CCFL_Man2: | use upnp for discovery |
| [03:13:35] | CCFL_Man2: | well, yeah |
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| [03:13:48] | tjcarter: | unless you don't (I don't know about the upnp stuff) |
| [03:13:51] | Bearcat: | hey folks, i need a little guidence setting up lirc. Should i ask in here or scamper off to an lirc channel? |
| [03:14:16] | CCFL_Man2: | tjcarter: i can live without upnp |
| [03:14:17] | tjcarter: | Bearcat: depends on the complexity of your questions |
| [03:14:37] | Bearcat: | well, i think it's probably an easy one |
| [03:14:39] | CCFL_Man2: | it's only for x86 hardware anyway |
| [03:14:43] | tjcarter: | CCFL_Man2: upnp or mDNS/DNS-SD, I don't much care, they both basically work. |
| [03:14:57] | CCFL_Man2: | yeah |
| [03:15:39] | tjcarter: | to read some forum postings, upnp is The Future of Myth |
| [03:15:50] | Perdignus: | What is wrong with my apache2 config if I get this when trying to play music through MythWeb? |
| [03:15:52] | Perdignus: | Digest: client used wrong authentication scheme `Basic': /music/stream |
| [03:15:59] | CCFL_Man2: | tjcarter: yeah |
| [03:16:35] | tjcarter: | ooh, that's a cute little web effect you don't see every day |
| [03:16:44] | tjcarter: | text actually glowing when you mouseover |
| [03:16:49] | tjcarter: | not an image, text. |
| [03:16:56] | tjcarter: | ain't CSS fun? |
| [03:17:12] | Bearcat: | tjcarter: i have been following this: http://www.eggshellskull.com/lirc/blaster/index.php as per the myth wiki. i have all of my files set up, but things on my system differ a bit. These instructions refrence the modules lirc_i2c and lirc_serial. I have the modules lirc_dev and lirc_serial. I have no lirc_i2c. Are the instructions out of date or is my lirc not compiled correctly? |
| [03:18:49] | tjcarter: | Bearcat: are you using a remote receiver built in to your card? |
| [03:19:07] | tjcarter: | I suspect the latter, in any event |
| [03:19:24] | Bearcat: | tjcarter:no. I have an ir blaster. I jsut want to control via keyboard |
| [03:19:58] | Bearcat: | so the modules ircd_dev (which i suspect replace the i2c stuff) and lircd_serial load up fine |
| [03:21:28] | Bearcat: | tjcarter: Why would you need to do a "modprobe lirc_serial" in both /etc/modprobe.conf *and* your rc scripts anyway? |
| [03:21:42] | tjcarter: | you don |
| [03:21:43] | tjcarter: | 't |
| [03:22:03] | tjcarter: | I think they're trying to make sure it gets done and done early enough |
| [03:22:10] | Bearcat: | *nods* |
| [03:23:12] | Bearcat: | actually this person doesn't. i was looking at the wrong file. I'm temped to replace his instances of lircd_i2c with lirc_dev as that seems to be a replacement. Is i2c stuff even in the kernel anymore? |
| [03:23:47] | tjcarter: | I don't believe it's a replacement |
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| [03:24:18] | Bearcat: | everything but /dev/lircd0 loads. |
| [03:24:52] | Bearcat: | if i try to start stuff i get socket errors (of course as it does not exist). I could create it by hand, but that's sloppy. I'd rather do it correctl |
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| [03:26:44] | calimeds: | so im about to install ubuntu on a spare pc i got with a hvr-1600 and a pvr-150 |
| [03:26:50] | Bearcat: | the command "/usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0 --output=/dev/lircd" runs with no errors but i don't have a /dev/lircd0 |
| [03:27:05] | calimeds: | but the remote i got is one that came with a hp computer that had a 1600 preinstalled...so is there a way i can load that remote to work with mythtv? |
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| [03:30:29] | d3ity: | anyone know how to get ivtv working with 2.6.22? |
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| [03:38:00] | tjcarter: | hmm, THAT would be a nice Myth accessory: http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_turbo264 |
| [03:41:58] | GreyFoxx: | Assume It's got some sort of openspec so we could have adriver for it that might be useful |
| [03:42:01] | Bearcat: | tjcarter: i just had an "OH!" moment. Looking here: http://www.lirc.org/html/table.html it says i only need the modules lirc_dev lirc_serial. Of *course* i do not' need lirc_i2c. A serial port is not an i2c device. |
| [03:46:31] | tjcarter: | Bearcat: that is correct |
| [03:46:46] | ** Bearcat is pleased he got something right! ** | |
| [03:46:53] | tjcarter: | Bearcat: I wasn't sure why you wanted both |
| [03:47:08] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: I suppose I could see if I could find out. |
| [03:47:09] | Bearcat: | so these instructions don't exactly apply to me |
| [03:47:37] | tjcarter: | generic instructions usually don't |
| [03:47:53] | Bearcat: | see, i never end up with a /dev/lirc0 but perhaps i don't need one (perhaps that for his remote control) |
| [03:48:57] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: it's not a capture device, it's just a USB-powered transcoding assistant |
| [03:49:02] | tjcarter: | wfm ;) |
| [03:50:47] | GreyFoxx: | tjcarter: I understood it wasn't a tuner, but depending on flexibility and info we can get oin it I wouldn;t mind a hardware encoder thatr I can feed raw data too and get back encoded video back |
| [03:52:18] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: yeah, it sure would be nice. |
| [03:52:35] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: especially if it can handle random resolutions for iPod, HD, whatever. |
| [03:52:46] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [03:52:55] | GreyFoxx: | adapt mythtranscode to use it |
| [03:53:32] | tjcarter: | no doubt |
| [03:53:42] | tjcarter: | and myth2ipod |
| [03:54:03] | tjcarter: | (although I have still been meaning to adapt that myself to give me higher res than iPod takes) |
| [03:54:37] | tjcarter: | I don't have a video iPod, but mencoder's x264 codec is a very nice way to keep video around for awhile |
| [03:56:16] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/24/review_elgato_turbo264/ |
| [04:07:01] | tjcarter: | There are elgato people who hang around #macdev, I'll ask around |
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| [04:30:52] | d3ity: | hey guys, anyone got ivtv sucessfully working on 2.6.22? |
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| [04:33:10] | doc|home: | d3ity: yep, you need to compile in the support as a module, not in-built |
| [04:34:02] | d3ity: | doc|home, i believe I have it set as such, everything v4l is a module |
| [04:35:19] | d3ity: | for some reason, doc|home , I'm having trouble actually getting a picture through my box |
| [04:35:30] | d3ity: | i can use ivtv-tune to pull in the channel, however, all I get is static |
| [04:35:32] | doc|home: | d3ity: distro? |
| [04:35:39] | d3ity: | doc|home, gentoo |
| [04:35:49] | doc|home: | d3ity: do you have the ivtv package? |
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| [04:41:40] | d3ity: | doc|home, yes |
| [04:41:50] | d3ity: | I went through the firmware install instructions as well. |
| [04:42:07] | d3ity: | dmesg loads the module correctly, however catting /dev/video0 provides a playable file, of static |
| [04:43:07] | doc|home: | d3ity: what about ivtv -c $channum ? |
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| [04:54:34] | d3ity: | doc|home, ivtv-tune -c 3 fails to change the output of cat /dev/video0 |
| [04:54:46] | d3ity: | still all static |
| [04:55:00] | doc|home: | hmmm, ok, I'm all out of ideas then, sorry :/ reboot and check for messages |
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| [04:55:42] | d3ity: | mep, rebooting is the one thing I haven't tried yet |
| [04:55:59] | d3ity: | will have to try that when others aren't using the network (router box) |
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| [05:14:51] | d3ity: | meh |
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| [05:41:04] | dns_56: | can someone point me in the right direction to get my remote working? |
| [05:43:27] | RyeBrye: | is it an IR remote? |
| [05:44:01] | RyeBrye: | do you have an IR receiver? do you have the LIRC drivers for the IR receiver loaded? |
| [05:44:05] | dns_56: | yes, and acording to dmesg it has a hid driver |
| [05:44:33] | dns_56: | there is a config on lirc.org so what do i do with it |
| [05:44:53] | RyeBrye: | I've only set up remotes with serial LIRC before |
| [05:45:01] | RyeBrye: | but if you have a USB HID receiver, I suppose it's teh same |
| [05:45:14] | RyeBrye: | I think the fedora mythology talksabout how to setup LIRC |
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| [05:45:37] | RyeBrye: | http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#lirc |
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| [05:48:44] | d3ity: | hey guys, where can I set audio settings for mythtv? |
| [05:51:55] | dns_56: | should be in the frontend |
| [05:52:32] | dns_56: | it seems to be in general settings, there you can select your mixer |
| [05:54:27] | Bearcat: | night folks. I sent off a "help me" to the lircd list. |
| [05:55:02] | tjcarter: | Bearcat: FWIW, if you have MCE USB remote, it tends to almost "just work" |
| [05:55:12] | tjcarter: | there's a little configuration involved still, but very little |
| [05:55:40] | Bearcat: | tjcarter: heh! Well, i'm using Sourcemage, and i do not' want to go to a binary based distro, but thanks. |
| [05:56:10] | Bearcat: | i suppose i could load it up on a laptop an copy over the configs, but that's a bit extreme. |
| [05:56:41] | Bearcat: | well, thanks again. NIght all. |
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| [05:56:54] | tjcarter: | ... |
| [05:57:17] | tjcarter: | oh nevermind =D |
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| [06:24:43] | tjcarter: | .osx-packager/src/libexif-0.6.13.tar.bz2: HTML document text |
| [06:24:51] | tjcarter: | DAMN YOU SOURCEFORGE! |
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| [06:29:40] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: I am getting massive errors from osx-packager because of fink |
| [06:30:59] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: not only that, most of the download links are broken in some way. |
| [06:33:05] | tjcarter: | RyeBrye: the errors are related to libgd and fontconfig, I don't know if that's an issue or not, osx-packager.pl continued. |
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| [06:39:54] | Rongo: | Howdy |
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| [06:52:36] | Aval0n: | how come mythtv interlaces everything by default? |
| [06:52:45] | Aval0n: | even when I played my first DVD on it, it was interlaced |
| [06:52:58] | Aval0n: | just curious why it's like that be default |
| [06:53:22] | dns_56: | myth is designed for displaying on tv's? |
| [06:53:47] | Aval0n: | I am displaying on a tv? |
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| [06:53:59] | Aval0n: | err |
| [06:54:09] | Aval0n: | dunno how the ? made it on there |
| [06:54:11] | Aval0n: | anyway |
| [06:54:13] | Aval0n: | it is a Tv |
| [06:54:15] | Aval0n: | plsams |
| [06:54:20] | Aval0n: | omg I'm tired |
| [06:54:23] | Aval0n: | plasma. |
| [06:54:41] | Aval0n: | it's gone, I changed it, so it's not a problem just wondering why it is interlacing dvds by default |
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| [06:55:20] | dns_56: | probably historical |
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| [07:18:58] | ggilbert: | Does anyone here have experience with running a mythtv backend as a Xen domU? |
| [07:20:15] | dns_56: | interesting idea, as long as you have the capture devices handed over to xen it should work not sure how to use xen though |
| [07:21:33] | ggilbert: | Yeah, I've seen a few references to it sort of working, but mostly older stuff. I'm thinking of some upgrades at home and that seemed like an appealing idea. |
| [07:22:41] | dns_56: | well from what i have heard it is possible but as soon as you specify a pci device you cannot move the xen image to another machine |
| [07:23:19] | ggilbert: | Which seems reasonable enough for my use. I wouldn't be shuffling the card around anyways |
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| [07:25:12] | dns_56: | well my knowledge of xen has been from the novell open audio podcasts never used them before |
| [07:25:31] | ggilbert: | Fair enough, thanks for what you have heard |
| [07:26:51] | dns_56: | suse is suppost to have a gui to manage xen, don't know about opensuse |
| [07:41:58] | tjcarter: | It's possible to wear out a Razer |
| [07:42:06] | tjcarter: | O_O |
| [07:42:10] | tjcarter: | For a non-gamer even! |
| [07:42:45] | tjcarter: | Thankfully Diamondbacks are a dime a dozen nowadays |
| [07:43:04] | tjcarter: | Mine cost me $70 when I bought it ;) |
| [07:43:14] | tjcarter: | It's one of the white pro models |
| [07:43:56] | tjcarter: | it's just a Razer that doesn't look like a l33t g4m3r m00s3 is all |
| [07:44:25] | tjcarter: | I got it for the Mac driver (which was so bad I never used it) |
| [07:44:50] | tjcarter: | Still, I couldn't possibly go back to 800 DPI now. |
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| [08:03:02] | Rongo: | Grr. The second tuner of my pvr-500 is jitery and jumpy. anyone seen this before? |
| [08:05:49] | tjcarter: | not just staticy? |
| [08:05:57] | tjcarter: | LOTS of people see staticy |
| [08:05:59] | Rongo: | no.. flickery.. |
| [08:06:19] | Rongo: | not static. |
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| [08:07:40] | Rongo: | Although, who knows... maybe its the same problem |
| [08:09:20] | Rongo: | odd... its only jumpy when the top of the sceeen isnt black.. |
| [08:13:57] | Rongo: | changinf to 720x480 (instead of 480x480) seems to have either fixed it... or mad it less noticeable... |
| [08:14:20] | tjcarter: | oh! |
| [08:14:23] | tjcarter: | flickery |
| [08:14:33] | Rongo: | indeed |
| [08:14:36] | tjcarter: | I didn't understand what you meant by that |
| [08:14:51] | Rongo: | :-) how would you describe it? |
| [08:14:51] | tjcarter: | yes, there's this VBI issue with the chip in question |
| [08:14:56] | tjcarter: | it was once fixed |
| [08:15:27] | tjcarter: | but then the ivtv people basically said screw it, you WinTV-PVR people can just use 720x480 and it'll work. |
| [08:15:41] | Rongo: | interesting. |
| [08:15:44] | tjcarter: | as a consequence, recordings take a little more space |
| [08:15:49] | tjcarter: | but they look a lot better |
| [08:16:06] | tjcarter: | They don't take THAT much more space for how much better they look ;) |
| [08:16:16] | Rongo: | I dont see a big differenct is space actually |
| [08:16:20] | tjcarter: | exactly |
| [08:16:27] | Rongo: | I think the bitrate of the vieo hasnt changed |
| [08:16:32] | tjcarter: | nope |
| [08:16:45] | tjcarter: | but it's VBR |
| [08:16:54] | Rongo: | gotcha |
| [08:17:00] | tjcarter: | so it's gonna be closer to the max than the min now |
| [08:17:07] | Rongo: | good :-) |
| [08:18:00] | Rongo: | OK.. can I hit you with a vew more questions? |
| [08:19:12] | Rongo: | The top of the video of tuner 1 has a horizontal white line... tuner 2 does not. any idea how to make it go byebye |
| [08:21:01] | Rongo: | It looks like the problem is that the image on tuner 2 is about 2 or 3 scanlines LOWER than tuner 2. |
| [08:21:15] | Rongo: | Since tuner 1 is higher, the white line is off the top... |
| [08:21:20] | Rongo: | hmmm |
| [08:23:12] | Rongo: | Also... does this mean I can turn the VBI back on and it will work at 720x480? |
| [08:23:34] | Dagmar: | Sounds like your card is just broken |
| [08:24:14] | Rongo: | Nah... Just details to iron out. there always are. |
| [08:25:27] | Dagmar: | There should be no difference between one tuner and the next. |
| [08:26:16] | Rongo: | With the pvr-500, I have never heard of them being identical. ever |
| [08:26:39] | Rongo: | One is always clearer, or blurrier, or brighter, or fuzzier... or in my case.. lower |
| [08:30:27] | Rongo: | Wahoo! turning VBI back on, made the images the same elevation again. Awesome |
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| [09:21:19] | tjcarter: | Rongo: wait, what'd you do? |
| [09:21:32] | tjcarter: | you made PVR-500 work? |
| [09:21:48] | tjcarter: | oh, weird scanline thing |
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| [09:27:52] | Rongo: | yep.. working great now. |
| [09:28:09] | Rongo: | TRansferring all my old videos from my old myth machine to my new one :-) |
| [09:29:07] | Rongo: | All I need to do now is get lirc_serial working.. and I'm a happy camper. |
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| [09:36:10] | djbmister: | Don't know if anyone is aware of this issue, but it is regarding the mythvideo component. Basically i have a load of avi files, with names like ghost.whisperer.season1.avi |
| [09:36:43] | djbmister: | mythvideo refuses to play them, unless i rename without the serveral dots |
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| [09:37:33] | tjcarter: | Rongo: is there an easier way of doing that than what I am thinking? |
| [09:37:52] | djbmister: | Anyone got a suggestion |
| [09:38:24] | tjcarter: | Rongo: for me it usually involves copying and a DB backup and restore, followed by a frantic search to remember the mysql command to update the table with the correct new hostname because I can't remember it. |
| [09:38:28] | tjcarter: | ;) |
| [09:38:58] | Rongo: | I'm doing this: http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tips/migrate-recordings.html |
| [09:43:17] | djbmister: | Don't know if anyone is aware of this issue, but it is regarding the mythvideo component. Basically i have a load of avi files, with names like ghost.whisperer.season1.avi Anyone got a suggestion? |
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| [09:43:50] | Cry_wolf2: | djbmister: I´m playing filers like that fine |
| [09:44:05] | Rongo: | Never had a problem with multi-dot filenames. |
| [09:44:13] | Rongo: | must be you |
| [09:44:46] | Dagmar: | I haven't seen an actual problem cited yet. |
| [09:45:14] | Dagmar: | About the only thing I can even guess at to suggest would be "stop pirating TV shows" |
| [09:45:40] | Cry_wolf2: | hehe, yes that would solve the problem |
| [09:45:43] | Dagmar: | Ah wait, short xterm issue |
| [09:45:45] | Rongo: | Nope... thats not the problem :-) I do that too |
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| [09:45:49] | Dagmar: | There's no such bug. |
| [09:45:55] | tjcarter: | Rongo: that will fail if the new system has a different hostname than the old one |
| [09:45:57] | djbmister: | I'm using the distro mythdoar |
| [09:46:03] | Rongo: | tjcarter: it does. |
| [09:46:07] | Dagmar: | There's gotta be something else going on wrong |
| [09:46:08] | djbmister: | mythdora |
| [09:46:27] | tjcarter: | Rongo: you'll need to update the table to set the new hostname |
| [09:46:37] | Dagmar: | MythVideo woudn't have any reason to care about filenames with multiple dots in them. ONly windows gets it's panties in a bunch over that sort of thign |
| [09:46:40] | Rongo: | tjcarter: probably just gonna do a: sed 's/oldname/newname/g' on the file before I import it |
| [09:46:41] | tjcarter: | (or sed the database file for old hostname to new) |
| [09:46:52] | Rongo: | :-) |
| [09:46:53] | tjcarter: | but I always forget that |
| [09:47:14] | tjcarter: | you would think that migrating to new hardware or reinstalling or whatnot would include a note about that |
| [09:47:44] | djbmister: | rongo: These files are on a DVD, would that cause any issues? |
| [09:48:00] | Rongo: | Happen to know which table in the DB contains the transcoder settings? |
| [09:48:16] | Rongo: | djbmister: I dont see how it would.... |
| [09:48:36] | Rongo: | do they have the right permissions and all that? |
| [09:49:27] | tjcarter: | Rongo: I'm a little nervous about the sed because I use actual names for my machines |
| [09:49:55] | djbmister: | rongo: i can only view them by renaming the file without the dots |
| [09:50:07] | tjcarter: | like the laptop I'm buying in 3 weeks will be named Aki, which is not exactly a common name in my part of the world, but it's still a name =) |
| [09:50:19] | Dagmar: | Yes that would cause problems on a DVD |
| [09:50:54] | Rongo: | tjcarter: Just do the sed so that it includes the quotes... ie: sed s/\'foo\'/\'bar\'/g |
| [09:51:00] | Rongo: | thats what I did |
| [09:51:04] | Rongo: | seems to have worked |
| [09:51:27] | tjcarter: | yeah, but if I don't remember to do the sed at all, there's always the question of whether or not I'll have thought to do it correctly ;) |
| [09:51:38] | Rongo: | djbmister: does mythfrontend give you any guff on stdout? |
| [09:51:42] | djbmister: | dagmar: saving files with dots would cause problems? |
| [09:51:49] | Dagmar: | On a DVD, yes. |
| [09:52:01] | djbmister: | rongo:just a white screen |
| [09:52:02] | Rongo: | djbmister: dvds are read only... so... yeah.. renaming wont worlk |
| [09:52:25] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: you're kidding |
| [09:52:34] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: Doesn't Joliet handle that properly? |
| [09:52:38] | Rongo: | djbmister: .... a white screen? |
| [09:52:56] | tjcarter: | I mean, I'm sure that plain ISO 9660 would freak, but plain ISO 9660 just needs to die |
| [09:52:59] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: He's not reading joliet, he's reading the rock ridge extensions |
| [09:53:13] | tjcarter: | Dots break Rock Ridge? |
| [09:53:26] | Dagmar: | These things wind up with multiple actual sets of directories on them |
| [09:53:40] | djbmister: | I original saved these multidot files to a dvd using ubuntu gnome burner |
| [09:53:42] | Dagmar: | It's just not immediately obvious this is the case until you hit upon some screwey filenames |
| [09:54:13] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: okay, for my next dumbass question, why is he making a DVD without UDF? |
| [09:54:43] | Dagmar: | Beats me. It's not my concern what people do with their media |
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| [09:54:58] | tjcarter: | =) |
| [09:55:14] | Dagmar: | I'm at the point now where I just throw more disks at the network |
| [09:55:30] | tjcarter: | Yeah, it's getting reasonable to do that nowadays |
| [09:55:38] | djbmister: | regardless of the DVD, i've tried on my FAT32 usb stick, same problem |
| [09:55:42] | Dagmar: | I saw that I was fast approaching the state I got into back in about 96 when I had about 2,000 3.5" floppies around |
| [09:55:54] | Dagmar: | Now I'm selective about what I actually burn to disc |
| [09:56:16] | Dagmar: | ...especially since 500Gb drives are cheap. |
| [09:56:40] | Dagmar: | ...not to mention the much improved access times over a big binder of DVDs |
| [09:57:00] | tjcarter: | At this point DVD9 is about the same price as DVD4, so I burn data DVD9 containing Quicktime-containered h.264 video |
| [09:57:53] | Dagmar: | Just remember this was mentioned when you realize you have 500 DVDs |
| [09:58:10] | djbmister: | to all: can i debug this problem? will there be entrys in the /var/logs ? |
| [09:58:16] | Dagmar: | ...when move and loading the media into the truck takes longer than loading your hardware... |
| [09:58:19] | tjcarter: | Yeah, the archives are not meant to be used |
| [09:58:22] | Dagmar: | s/when move/when you move/; |
| [09:58:29] | tjcarter: | they're meant to be backups of series, basically |
| [09:58:51] | djbmister: | Does mythvideo log itself? |
| [09:59:17] | Dagmar: | djbmister: Copy the files to your hard disk, change the location mythvideo is looking for them, and try again |
| [09:59:23] | Dagmar: | Watch the problem magically disappear |
| [09:59:47] | tjcarter: | after everyone basically shoving me in the direction of UPnP AV as the solution to all of my problems, I went to look for UPnP AV clients. |
| [10:00:04] | tjcarter: | They don't seem to exist except as pieces of hardware or Windows programs. |
| [10:00:08] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: I *dearly* wish it were better documented a mechanism |
| [10:00:14] | tjcarter: | and the Windows programs aren't free =p |
| [10:00:27] | Dagmar: | I'd be thinking about coding up a daemon to stick on my NAS box for it |
| [10:00:50] | tjcarter: | everyone has daemons |
| [10:01:02] | Dagmar: | I make new ones. |
| [10:01:04] | tjcarter: | there are a million different daemons to serve up UPnP AV |
| [10:01:12] | tjcarter: | NOBODY seems to make clients to play it back |
| [10:01:18] | djbmister: | thanks for the help, least i know there isnt a common problem |
| [10:01:27] | Rongo: | How does rtjpeg compare to mpeg4/ |
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| [10:01:56] | tjcarter: | Rongo: it requires virtually no CPU to encode rtjpeg |
| [10:02:10] | juski: | I wouldn't go that far! |
| [10:02:10] | tjcarter: | Rongo: however, it eats a 500 GB HD between now and noon. |
| [10:02:11] | Rongo: | how about quality and size? |
| [10:02:26] | Rongo: | I see. |
| [10:02:29] | Dagmar: | Size... Hmm... |
| [10:02:32] | juski: | software encoding sucks – don't even think about using it. get a *proper* capture card |
| [10:02:32] | tjcarter: | (Both are possibly slight exaggerations) |
| [10:02:34] | Dagmar: | How about "large as fuck" |
| [10:02:46] | Dagmar: | Quality is fine tho |
| [10:03:04] | Rongo: | I jave a mpeg-2 card thanks... I'm considering transcodiong to mpeg-4 though to save space. |
| [10:03:09] | juski: | Dagmar: in theory it is, but cheap software encoding cards are crap quality |
| [10:03:20] | pat_: | yeah, I transcode to mpeg-4 to save space |
| [10:03:21] | juski: | get a bigger HDD or watch more & keep less, ya wuss |
| [10:03:21] | tjcarter: | juski: they don't make cablecard capture cards, nor do they make AVC h.264 PCI capture cards |
| [10:03:28] | tjcarter: | juski: you said proper ;) |
| [10:03:30] | Cry_wolf2: | omg, anyone have a pastebin of a xorg.conf that uses dvi ? Swapping from component to dvi and getting no picture. |
| [10:03:49] | Dagmar: | Cry_wolf2: That would be card-specific. |
| [10:04:08] | Cry_wolf2: | 7600gs ? |
| [10:04:10] | Cry_wolf2: | :) |
| [10:04:12] | Dagmar: | Restart X with the DVI connected, or take out the part of your config that's forcing the use of s-video output |
| [10:04:17] | Rongo: | I'm wondering if the transcoding is worth it though. |
| [10:04:21] | juski: | tjcarter: cablecard. pfft! biggest white elephant ever |
| [10:04:26] | Dagmar: | Or, you know, read the nVidia README like everyone whose stuff works does |
| [10:04:37] | juski: | Rongo: nope. get a bigger hdd, watch more, keep less |
| [10:04:38] | Cry_wolf2: | Dagmar: Did that before asking :( |
| [10:04:40] | pat_: | Rongo: is for me, I can store an incredibly large number of shows |
| [10:04:48] | juski: | pat_: WHY?! |
| [10:04:49] | tjcarter: | juski: they do exist, I have seen them |
| [10:04:53] | Dagmar: | Cry_wolf2: no, you didn't. You skimmed. It's actually in there very clearly. |
| [10:05:01] | tjcarter: | I've even plugged them in to TV and magically gotten channels |
| [10:05:09] | pat_: | juski, I don't ever have to think about whether I want to record a show, I just record them |
| [10:05:13] | Rongo: | pat_: ya me too.. but I just upped my machine to 500gig... so it probably isnt an issue anymore. |
| [10:05:20] | Rongo: | but... im used to it. |
| [10:05:22] | pat_: | only watch a small percentage of what I actually record |
| [10:05:29] | Rongo: | wondering if I should just not bother |
| [10:05:38] | juski: | bah I can't be arsed to talk to ignorant people today |
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| [10:05:51] | tjcarter: | juski: it's the only way we'll ever see HD recording in Myth at this rate. =( |
| [10:06:05] | pat_: | basically I can go in at any time and have bunches of stuff that might be worth watching at my fingertips |
| [10:06:06] | tjcarter: | except for the few lucky people who can pull all of their channels off FW |
| [10:06:11] | tjcarter: | which is like six people. |
| [10:06:20] | DustyBin: | i think juski has got the hump |
| [10:06:39] | Rongo: | is that good or bad? |
| [10:06:48] | pat_: | hope it is curable |
| [10:06:52] | DustyBin: | we aim to please :D |
| [10:06:56] | pat_: | a nice balm might help |
| [10:07:03] | tjcarter: | Rongo: what kind of capture card do you have? |
| [10:07:23] | Rongo: | pvr-500 |
| [10:07:47] | tjcarter: | Rongo: you use MPEG2 capture, and don't bother to transcode to MPEG4 |
| [10:08:17] | tjcarter: | in fact, do your transcodes lossless |
| [10:08:24] | Rongo: | are you asking what I am doing now? or telling me what I should do? |
| [10:08:25] | tjcarter: | (used for cutting commercials) |
| [10:08:32] | tjcarter: | I'm suggesting =D |
| [10:08:37] | Rongo: | ah |
| [10:08:50] | pat_: | I only bother to cut commercials on stuff I've recorded for someone else |
| [10:08:51] | tjcarter: | transcoding is for people who have analog grabbers |
| [10:09:13] | Rongo: | My old HD was much smaller... so it was worth it. |
| [10:09:14] | Cry_wolf2: | Dagmar: skimmed ? (not native english), but i had done it right...just didn´t wait long enough. |
| [10:09:23] | pat_: | my wife likes having whole seasons of shows on hand to watch if the fancy takes her |
| [10:09:38] | tjcarter: | because they can't often afford to record mpeg4 for multiple streams at once |
| [10:09:45] | Rongo: | pat_: thats what bittorrent is for. |
| [10:09:46] | tjcarter: | so they record rtjpeg and transcode later |
| [10:10:03] | pat_: | rongo, takes no effort with my mythtv setup |
| [10:10:08] | Dagmar: | Cry_wolf2: Think of it like meaning "you're only looking at the pictures" |
| [10:10:20] | Rongo: | pat_: as long as theyre on the air :-) |
| [10:10:25] | ** tjcarter likes having whole series on hand for watching when he feels like going for a marathon ** | |
| [10:10:47] | ** tjcarter has Stargate SG-1, all of it, for example ** | |
| [10:10:48] | Dagmar: | The UI on their fourth game looks pretty cool tho |
| [10:10:49] | Rongo: | Okay then. No more transcoding for me. |
| [10:11:34] | tjcarter: | all high quality caps exported and transcoded with mencoder's x264 codec |
| [10:12:10] | tjcarter: | Fit a couple of seasons on a single layer BD, if I was stupid enough to be buying BD drives or media |
| [10:12:17] | Cry_wolf2: | Dagmar: ah, ok well xorg is not my favorite textfile :) |
| [10:12:38] | tjcarter: | Xorg.conf is nobody's favorite textfile |
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| [10:13:01] | pat_: | don't know why you'd bother archiving stuff though, that's what bittorrent is for |
| [10:13:08] | Cry_wolf2: | The dvi-hdmi for ~10£ was well spent money :) |
| [10:13:50] | Rongo: | is the difference between dvi and hdmi anything that would require any processing? or just a cable? |
| [10:14:32] | directhex: | just a cable |
| [10:14:39] | Rongo: | ah goody |
| [10:14:41] | directhex: | HDMI is DVI with audio. give or take |
| [10:14:51] | Rongo: | eep |
| [10:15:16] | pat_: | hdmi frequently has hdcp as well these days |
| [10:15:18] | tjcarter: | pat_: I flagrantly disregard DMCA provisions on so-called copyright circumvention devices, vocally and publicly. I depend on my integrity not to be going and chasing down random crap on BT to keep the DoJ from sending a team of heavily armed people in to raid my apartment. |
| [10:15:18] | Rongo: | so... would you have a 3-headed cable? DVI + audio on one end and hdmi on the other? |
| [10:15:22] | directhex: | pat_, so does DVI |
| [10:15:48] | directhex: | Rongo, ah, THAT's the question. the answer is "maybe" |
| [10:15:52] | tjcarter: | pat_: They might still do it, but ohhh will I make them look like they are the criminals if they do! |
| [10:16:08] | Rongo: | hmm |
| [10:16:21] | tjcarter: | So, I have to do this stuff the hard way |
| [10:16:30] | directhex: | Rongo, typically the answer is "no, work out the audio yourself. you've got an amp, right?" |
| [10:16:59] | tjcarter: | directhex: audio levels are ... fun. |
| [10:17:02] | pat_: | in fact I've never bought a tv series, and don't have any archived either. I don't see the point |
| [10:17:17] | pat_: | watch them as they're shown on telly is fine for mme |
| [10:17:25] | directhex: | tjcarter, i just use VGA for my myth machine. and i now use digital audio into my shiny new amp. it's amptastic! |
| [10:17:25] | Rongo: | My mobo does DVI / VGA / Svideo / component / and rgular old crappy video... and I am gonna get mahself a TV tomorrow.. just wondering what's the best way to go |
| [10:17:42] | directhex: | Rongo, i'd say VGA, for an assortment of reasons |
| [10:17:55] | tjcarter: | directhex: oh, my problem is that the RCA from my sa3250 is very quiet |
| [10:17:56] | Rongo: | never seen a tv that takes vga though |
| [10:18:10] | directhex: | Rongo, erm, every single LCD HDTV ever? |
| [10:18:18] | tjcarter: | and the tuner on the other input of my pvr500 is very not quiet |
| [10:18:29] | Rongo: | why not dvi? |
| [10:18:49] | tjcarter: | Since audio level is a matter of recording profile and these are tied to programs rather than inputs, I can't really do anything about this. |
| [10:19:36] | directhex: | Rongo, typically, LCD HDTVs have a native resolution of ~1366x768. you can output that resolution directly with VAG. however, many sets won't allow you to enter a non-official-HD resolution via DVI/HDMI, which means an extra level of scaling |
| [10:19:42] | tjcarter: | input 1 needs an audio level of about 80%. input 2 needs 100% |
| [10:19:52] | tjcarter: | and even 100% is a little quiet |
| [10:20:13] | tjcarter: | it wouldn't hurt to bump it up beyond that a little |
| [10:20:18] | Rongo: | directhex: hmm. I hadnt fully decided on lcd yet... but I'll keep that in mind. |
| [10:20:35] | ** tjcarter thinks his solution looks like a preamp, but he has not seen such a device ** | |
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| [10:24:24] | ** tjcarter knows his other more immediate solution looks like a bed ** | |
| [10:25:33] | pat_: | my temporary solution is a beer |
| [10:25:34] | pat_: | works for homer |
| [10:25:36] | directhex: | Rongo, in .uk, almost every HDTV is LCD – that or plasma |
| [10:27:14] | Immolo: | and most aren't full HD :P |
| [10:27:29] | Rongo: | Indeed. thats the two I am considering. Rear projection would drive me nuts.. |
| [10:27:34] | directhex: | where "full hd" means 1920x1080, presumably? |
| [10:27:40] | Immolo: | indeed |
| [10:27:50] | directhex: | except there are no 1080p broadcasts |
| [10:28:00] | directhex: | and anything with an "i" isn't just not hd, it's an affront to nature |
| [10:28:27] | Immolo: | Full HD would be used with bluray etc? |
| [10:28:41] | directhex: | that's an option. if you've already decided on your buy-in |
| [10:29:03] | Immolo: | Well I've only seen a PS3 run on 1080p |
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| [10:29:21] | directhex: | almost all ps3 games are incapable of 1080p |
| [10:29:42] | directhex: | the console has no scaler hardware, games must support a set of resolutions individually. most are 720p |
| [10:29:49] | Immolo: | Gran Tursimo HD? |
| [10:30:13] | Rongo: | I'm having trouble deciding between plasma and lcd. this is gonna be a tough one. |
| [10:30:49] | Immolo: | The thing that puts me off plasma is the fact the gases need to be refilled |
| [10:30:52] | directhex: | Rongo, plasma costs more to run |
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| [10:31:14] | Rongo: | ya... power hungry as hell I understand |
| [10:31:42] | directhex: | gran turismo hd is listed as 1080p-only |
| [10:31:56] | Rongo: | odd. my new myth machine does not seem to be turning off the video after its idle... odd |
| [10:33:37] | directhex: | anyway, the UK's "HD Ready" spec doesn't mandate 1080p support at all |
| [10:33:42] | directhex: | so most sets in the wild don't do it |
| [10:33:51] | directhex: | so there's no reason to support a fringe of a fringe |
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| [10:44:59] | Rongo: | do lcd and plasma tvs typically honor such things as dpms? |
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| [11:23:18] | Rongo: | which table(s) contain the shows-to-record list? |
| [11:23:41] | juski: | why oh why do folks want to screw with the database manually? it's a highway to hell doing that |
| [11:23:59] | juski: | if you *must* know, the table is 'record' |
| [11:24:25] | Dagmar: | Because fucking up one's own stuff is FUN |
| [11:24:38] | laga: | e |
| [11:24:39] | laga: | re* |
| [11:24:49] | juski: | yeah well I'm jiggerred if I'm helping anybody out when they've managed to mangle their database by hand |
| [11:25:06] | juski: | they can die by their own hand |
| [11:25:12] | Rongo: | because I dont want to try and transplant all those from one machine to the other by hand? |
| [11:25:42] | juski: | you're better off exporting the whole database |
| [11:25:45] | Daviey: | Rongo: backup the db first! |
| [11:26:03] | Rongo: | the target db is empty... whats to back up? |
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| [11:27:24] | Daviey: | Rongo: ah thought you were going to tinker |
| [11:28:59] | laga: | juski: found some patch in trac which will enable bobdeint on my interlaced display. it's great now |
| [11:30:23] | juski: | the target db is empty sure, but.. just take the whole of the working db across |
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| [11:30:46] | juski: | the issue you might run into just by exporting the record table is if the chanids of the channel table are different |
| [11:30:57] | laga: | bah. this recording seems to switch between interlaced and progressive every other frame |
| [11:31:00] | juski: | recordings are scheduled by the chanid, not the channel name |
| [11:31:17] | juski: | laga: switch the video scan type in the OSD menu. I see that on some channels |
| [11:31:30] | juski: | people swear blind it can't possibly happen but they're wrongo |
| [11:31:32] | laga: | juski: yeah, just did that |
| [11:31:50] | laga: | put a nice damper on my enthusiasm for my setup, though. :) |
| [11:31:52] | juski: | something's very wrong with libavformat or whatever |
| [11:32:04] | hume: | hi...i got a problem with viewing images on another frontend, when the pics are stored on the backend. I set the path on the frontend to the pics, as the path to where the pics are on the backend but that does not work. how should I do it? |
| [11:32:21] | directhex: | Rongo, DPMS yes, but they're all awful at EDID |
| [11:32:31] | laga: | hume: did you make those pictures available on the frontend? |
| [11:32:37] | juski: | hume: only recordings are streamed by the backend. everything else has to be shared somehow |
| [11:32:55] | ** juski announces it's yet another Super Stupid Sunday ** | |
| [11:32:59] | hume: | laga, no, they are stored on a disk on the backend. nothing else |
| [11:33:16] | juski: | hume: the backend will not stream pictures, videos or music to a frontend |
| [11:33:34] | juski: | only recordings get streamed |
| [11:33:55] | laga: | you need to mount them over nfs or samba |
| [11:33:56] | hume: | ok, so if I sshfs and connect so it is part of the local file system i works, but not otherwise? |
| [11:34:03] | juski: | export the directories you want to share over nfs or whatever and mount them to the *same* path on every frontend |
| [11:34:06] | hume: | great, thx |
| [11:34:37] | juski: | so if your pictures live on /gallery on the backend, export that and mount that to /gallery on each frontend |
| [11:34:39] | hume: | must be same path on every frontend, since the path is stored at the backend? |
| [11:34:48] | hume: | ok |
| [11:35:01] | Daviey: | hume: Erm.. there are no recordings on my backend... NFS mount :D |
| [11:35:16] | hume: | ? |
| [11:35:24] | juski: | in some cases the path is stored on a per-frontend basis, but it's easier & simpler just to use the same path throughout |
| [11:35:57] | juski: | Daviey: in this context an NFS mount can be considered 'local' |
| [11:36:09] | juski: | as in – it's not streamed by the backend |
| [11:36:11] | ** Daviey likes the "/myth/recordings /myth/video /myth/gallery etc" ** | |
| [11:37:30] | juski: | when myth goes all integrated upnp you won't need to worry so much about paths, but that's way, *way* off |
| [11:39:12] | ** Daviey has a fear of upnp ** | |
| [11:40:21] | juski: | well, upnp has one thing definitely going against it. It's not universally plug & play is it? |
| [11:40:35] | juski: | cos it doesn't fsking work on every device, every time |
| [11:40:50] | juski: | yet another example of a 'standard' being bastardised |
| [11:41:43] | Rongo: | dang. Looks like that table may have changed structure since 19.0 |
| [11:42:00] | Daviey: | you don't say... |
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| [11:42:15] | juski: | did I not say to export the whole database? |
| [11:42:36] | juski: | now if you'd said you were gonna transport the tables to a machine running a different version... |
| [11:43:08] | juski: | this is what happens when you just give the answers people want :-P |
| [11:43:08] | Rongo: | actually.. no I am wrong. the schema didnt change |
| [11:43:16] | juski: | since 0.19? |
| [11:43:21] | juski: | oh yes it did |
| [11:43:28] | Rongo: | not the record table. |
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| [11:43:36] | juski: | you're lucky then |
| [11:43:43] | juski: | playing fast & loose |
| [11:43:56] | laga: | bah! i can't finetun my display with xvidtune. it says that the mode is not supported whenever i change something :/ |
| [11:44:05] | Rongo: | yep... but it still didnt see the records I inserted :-) may have to do it manually... sigh |
| [11:44:07] | Daviey: | laga: it's because you sux |
| [11:44:08] | juski: | laga: custom modeline eh? |
| [11:44:15] | juski: | Rongo: hostname? |
| [11:44:19] | laga: | juski: yes. |
| [11:44:22] | laga: | juski: used to work |
| [11:44:23] | Rongo: | although the recorded, and recorded_old tables did |
| [11:44:26] | laga: | Daviey: lulz stfu |
| [11:44:30] | Rongo: | juski: Ya I changed those |
| [11:45:15] | juski: | Rongo: and bear in mind that the record table goes off chanidm not channel name – so if your channels have different chanids now, your schedules will be messed up anyway |
| [11:45:52] | Rongo: | I cant imagine why theyd be different... but maybe I'll move that table too. just for jollies. |
| [11:46:01] | juski: | right programme, right time, wrong show! oops! |
| [11:46:25] | juski: | just for jollies? you really don't have a clue do you? ah well. have fun with that |
| [11:46:53] | Rongo: | actually the problem I see now... is that they dont show up in the recording schedules at all. not that they channels are wrong :-) |
| [11:47:40] | juski: | it'd be much easier to bring the whole old db across & ajust it rather than take random potshots at it |
| [11:47:42] | laga: | juski: BTW, #3924 – looks like there was something wrong in the mythstream changes after all ;) |
| [11:48:18] | juski: | hahaha |
| [11:48:22] | juski: | I'll commit that now |
| [11:48:23] | Rongo: | juski: what part of 0.19 -> 0.20 makes you think that will work at *all* |
| [11:48:42] | juski: | Rongo: the part where mythtv-setup will update it automagically |
| [11:48:50] | juski: | or mythbackend |
| [11:49:22] | juski: | it'll check the db at startup & go "woooo an old protocol/schema" and update it accordingly |
| [11:49:35] | juski: | much less messy |
| [11:50:00] | Rongo: | I really dont want all the old settings and such though. |
| [11:50:25] | Rongo: | hostnames, ip addresses, and paths have all changed |
| [11:51:39] | juski: | I give up |
| [11:52:02] | juski: | you're making a rod for your own back, but hey that's entirely up to you |
| [11:52:11] | juski: | don't come crying to me when stuff doesn't work |
| [11:53:30] | Rongo: | Hah... furthest thing from my mind. Just after ramming hot pokers in my eyes. |
| [11:53:31] | juski: | laga – typo was in -fixes and trunk |
| [11:53:38] | juski: | both fixed now :) |
| [11:55:03] | laga: | juski: thanks a bunch! :) |
| [11:55:44] | ** juski counts how many minutes the 'myth need scrollwheel use to find' ticket was open ** | |
| [11:58:05] | ** laga runs around screaming because xvidtune won't place nice ** | |
| [11:58:25] | juski: | xvidtune has never worked for me |
| [11:58:32] | juski: | it either crashed or did nothing at all |
| [11:59:28] | laga: | it worked for me in sarge |
| [11:59:58] | Rongo: | Sweet. Workin like a charm now. |
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| [12:10:21] | Rongo: | This is so much easier than I was fearing. Only two items remain on my "not working yet list": lirc_serial and dpms. yay. |
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| [12:22:27] | Dagmar: | DPMS is generally working. |
| [12:22:33] | Dagmar: | Don't mess with it unless you *know* it's not. |
| [12:23:09] | biohazd: | i have a nvidia fx5200, the tv display seems to have quite abit of tearing |
| [12:23:17] | biohazd: | should i get a better gfx car for tv out ? |
| [12:23:18] | Rongo: | I havent touched a thing yet.. but the screen isnt blanking after its been idle for an hour... |
| [12:23:31] | juski: | I really do wish people who raise tickets to do with qtlook.txt would try using the 'default' qt theme in mythtv |
| [12:24:02] | juski: | I can't wait to get cracking on replacing those nasty qt widgets |
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| [12:25:03] | laga: | biohazd: see wiki.mythtv.org |
| [12:25:08] | laga: | biohazd: and/or enable deinterlacing |
| [12:25:28] | juski: | or turn up your flicker filter to halfway |
| [12:25:40] | biohazd: | ahh cool :) |
| [12:25:49] | juski: | though tearing can be related to the refresh rate – if it really is tearing of course |
| [12:25:55] | biohazd: | are there any really good books / recousrces on setting up myth ? |
| [12:26:04] | biohazd: | from instal lto tvout to lirc to stb etc |
| [12:26:05] | Dagmar: | Just the wiki and hte installation howto |
| [12:26:11] | Dagmar: | Which together cover pretty much everything |
| [12:26:12] | laga: | juski: do you know *why* xvidtune won't work if i'm using a custom modeline? |
| [12:26:18] | juski: | biohazd: wtf does lirc & tv out have to do with setting up mythtv? |
| [12:26:23] | juski: | laga: no idea |
| [12:26:39] | biohazd: | juski – well they are all part of the overall pvr |
| [12:26:42] | biohazd: | :) |
| [12:26:45] | juski: | mythtv is mythtv is mythtv. lirc etc are extras & vary a lot according to hardware you use, distro etc |
| [12:27:02] | biohazd: | yes. but they all work together :) |
| [12:27:07] | juski: | or not |
| [12:27:13] | biohazd: | hehe :) |
| [12:27:42] | juski: | if you want an all in one box solution which is easy, pick hardware which is known to be a breeze or just go with something like knoppmyth |
| [12:28:20] | juski: | for the ultimate 'easy to set up' solution, maybe the time has come to draw a line & only support a certain set of hardware |
| [12:28:37] | juski: | one or 2 remotes, one or 2 types of tuner.. |
| [12:28:53] | biohazd: | yes, that sounds good :) |
| [12:28:55] | juski: | you want embedded? start thinking like embedded |
| [12:29:28] | laga: | juski: mythbuntu supports *a lot* of remotes. almost all remotes supported by LIRC, i'd say. |
| [12:29:46] | juski: | yeah but.. proving all the hardware works in linux isn't easy |
| [12:29:49] | biohazd: | i have ubuntu, mythtv, fx 5200 and hauppage PVR-150 – that must be pertty std :) |
| [12:29:51] | juski: | I mean how many receivers are there? |
| [12:30:25] | biohazd: | i will take a look at knoppmyth – thanks for that tip |
| [12:30:31] | juski: | biohazd: getting lirc to work is pretty easy once you've RTFM a few times |
| [12:30:41] | biohazd: | i got the basic system working, now its time to grow it (lirc etc ) |
| [12:31:21] | biohazd: | im still cluesless with setting up the tv portion |
| [12:31:23] | eps: | and have a working IR receiver...that was a waste of four days :P |
| [12:31:23] | laga: | juski: lirc 0.8.2 comes with a hardware database you can use to setup up lirc including a lircd.conf. mythbuntu-lirc-generator will create a basic lircrc then |
| [12:31:23] | biohazd: | it works, |
| [12:31:39] | laga: | juski: it's quite nifty |
| [12:31:52] | juski: | eps: if you consider it a waste, I know what you can do :P |
| [12:32:00] | biohazd: | lol |
| [12:32:23] | biohazd: | wot setups do u gusy have, with regards to tv out |
| [12:32:30] | juski: | yeah MCE is dead easy to set up. just look at the wide range of hardware it supports :-\ |
| [12:32:32] | biohazd: | do you have your linxu deskto pand tvout the same ? |
| [12:32:39] | laga: | biohazd: yes |
| [12:32:41] | biohazd: | or are they split ? |
| [12:32:56] | biohazd: | myth looks great on pc, but shitty on my tv |
| [12:32:59] | ** juski wonders why he'd possibly want a desktop on his TV ** | |
| [12:33:08] | biohazd: | so i need to figure that one out :) |
| [12:33:18] | eps: | juski, haha; once I worked out the receiver was dead it took me about 20 mins to setup lirc :P |
| [12:33:21] | juski: | or even a 'pc' in the livingroom |
| [12:33:30] | biohazd: | juski: thats why i aksed the question – to see how u pros do it |
| [12:33:51] | biohazd: | juski: wots your setup look like |
| [12:33:55] | biohazd: | if u dont mind my asking |
| [12:33:59] | laga: | biohazd: desktop is on my monitor, mythtv on my tv.. well, it'll be as soon as i get the right cable |
| [12:34:08] | biohazd: | lol |
| [12:34:18] | laga: | biohazd: using twinview in nvidia. it has its flaws but it's usable |
| [12:34:37] | biohazd: | laga: ahh thats the answer i was looking for |
| [12:35:06] | juski: | my setup? a shitty epia m10k for the frontend, home made lirc serial reciever, digital audio out into my AV receiver, svideo into my panasonic 32" wide tv |
| [12:35:32] | biohazd: | juski: sounds nice |
| [12:35:37] | juski: | it works well |
| [12:35:38] | biohazd: | got any picuts of it ? |
| [12:35:52] | biohazd: | *pictures :) |
| [12:36:21] | juski: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=22 |
| [12:36:28] | biohazd: | ta :) |
| [12:36:41] | Daviey: | svideo?! Doesn't your telly support DVI, HDMI or VGA? |
| [12:36:47] | juski: | course not |
| [12:36:56] | biohazd: | lol.. is that an ntl box i see :) |
| [12:37:01] | Cry_wolf2: | Can mythvideo work with storagegroups ? |
| [12:37:05] | Dagmar: | Give him a break, they only got indoor plumbing last year |
| [12:37:09] | juski: | I'm not gonna buy a poncy 'hd ready' tv for years yet |
| [12:37:47] | laga: | no need for a HD set if you don't have HD recordings. |
| [12:37:49] | Daviey: | juski: 32" TV for ~£400? |
| [12:37:54] | juski: | time I envisage updating my TV is when h.264 playback is feasible on low cost, quiet, cool hardware – so figure 2012 or so |
| [12:38:19] | juski: | Daviey: why would I pay £400 for a TV whose picture will be dramatically inferior to a CRT? |
| [12:38:34] | Daviey: | fair nuff |
| [12:38:42] | biohazd: | juski: wot gfx card do u use for tv out ? |
| [12:38:47] | Daviey: | Nice case, btw |
| [12:38:52] | juski: | I use the shitty onboard graphics |
| [12:39:02] | juski: | everything about via epias is shitty |
| [12:39:13] | juski: | speedwise anyway |
| [12:39:20] | biohazd: | juski: wow. dosnt the tv look image crap ? |
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| [12:39:53] | laga: | heya tremby |
| [12:39:55] | juski: | I can tell the difference between the RGB out of my cable STB & the mythbox, but it's more than acceptable. and I'm a bit of a quality monkey |
| [12:40:00] | tremby: | hey laga |
| [12:40:20] | ** Daviey is pretty happy with http://www.verkkokauppa.com/productimages/orig/43060_01.jpg case ** | |
| [12:40:20] | tremby: | got your message much later about xvidtune — it's not working for me |
| [12:40:21] | biohazd: | yes, i like quality too :) |
| [12:40:29] | juski: | biohazd: and with xvmc (I can't play SDTV without it ffs) using bob deinterlace, even news crawlers look smooth as smooth can be |
| [12:40:47] | laga: | <3 smooth playback |
| [12:41:04] | juski: | a recentish nvidia card over svideo can give as good quality an output as a standalone dvd player |
| [12:41:16] | juski: | my fx5200 cards all can |
| [12:41:24] | biohazd: | thats the crad i got |
| [12:41:30] | tremby: | in xvidtune, whatever i change (even nothing), i get a "not supported" message. |
| [12:41:31] | laga: | huh? standalone DVD players usually use RGB ;) |
| [12:41:31] | biohazd: | guess i ned to set it up properly now |
| [12:41:36] | laga: | tremby: same here. |
| [12:41:40] | laga: | tremby: :'( |
| [12:41:41] | juski: | laga: output for output – svid vs svid |
| [12:41:45] | laga: | juski: ah |
| [12:42:14] | juski: | my TV's processing is pretty good – I never noticed that much of an improvement using RGB over svid |
| [12:42:42] | juski: | my TV was expensive when I bought it. near top of the line |
| [12:42:53] | laga: | tremby: i found a workaround: change settings in xvidtune, press "show", put new modeline into xorg.conf, restart X :( |
| [12:43:06] | tremby: | laga: you had the same problem? |
| [12:43:15] | laga: | tremby: yeah. |
| [12:43:24] | juski: | next model above my TV was a 100hz model but I looked at it & thought it was piss poor at deinterlacing |
| [12:43:29] | laga: | tremby: still satisfied? :) |
| [12:43:45] | tremby: | oh it's much better — i'm just losing a fair chunk off each side at the mo |
| [12:43:54] | juski: | you will do! |
| [12:44:01] | juski: | any pal modeline will overscan |
| [12:44:18] | juski: | you'll *never* get it to touch the sides of the TV exactly |
| [12:44:24] | laga: | right, but $stuff is shifted to the left here |
| [12:44:27] | tremby: | i thought the whole point of tuning the modelines was to minimise loss |
| [12:44:58] | juski: | and even if you did, you might end up having the desktop & myth GUI fit perfectly only to find that video has black/fuzzy lines at the sides/top/bottom |
| [12:45:06] | tremby: | i don't mind losing a little bit, but i want to see the taskbar for instance, and not have the titlebar of the window off the top of the screen |
| [12:45:13] | juski: | TV is *supposed* to be overscanned |
| [12:45:17] | juski: | oh ffs |
| [12:45:27] | juski: | a TV is no place for a desktop |
| [12:45:42] | juski: | get the myth gui to fit, and the video to fit – that's all you should need |
| [12:45:47] | laga: | tremby: maybe you can run Xephyr with certain offsets and run your desktop environment in xephyr so it's visible |
| [12:45:50] | tremby: | i had it centred nicely when i used tv-out |
| [12:46:21] | ** juski goes to watch Explorers ** | |
| [12:46:31] | tremby: | laga: never heard of xephyr |
| [12:46:32] | Daviey: | juski: I don't see the harm in somebody wanting to use a desktop from the sofa, wireless kb/mouse etc |
| [12:46:39] | laga: | juski: i'm using twinview (xinerama-ish). when i tried to enter a negative X offset, mythfrontend would start on my normal monitor |
| [12:46:45] | ** Daviey doesn't.. but did for a time ** | |
| [12:47:16] | laga: | tremby: if you try it: let me know if it works |
| [12:47:20] | tremby: | sure it's mostly watching video, but the odd bit of web browsing or just filesystem browsing for music/videos |
| [12:47:50] | biohazd: | how do u split the tv and desktop output ? |
| [12:48:01] | biohazd: | i have twinview selected in nvidia-settings |
| [12:48:11] | laga: | biohazd: "split"? |
| [12:48:24] | biohazd: | pc shows linux desktop |
| [12:48:30] | biohazd: | tv shows myth frontend |
| [12:48:32] | biohazd: | or am i worng ? |
| [12:48:39] | laga: | yeah |
| [12:48:55] | biohazd: | yes to which one ? Im wrong ? |
| [12:49:44] | laga: | biohazd: once you have twinview enabled (might have to restart X) and there's a picture on both display devices, open up mythfrontend, go to the appearance settings (AFAIK) and enable xinerama there. tell it to show up on your TV (might be screen "1") |
| [12:50:11] | biohazd: | ahh.. i will try that :) THANKS! |
| [12:51:00] | laga: | let me know how it goes |
| [12:51:37] | biohazd: | damn lost my vnc now, gotta dig under sofa for keyoard and monitor :( |
| [12:52:43] | Dagmar: | Or, you could simply ssh in and use X tunneling |
| [12:53:36] | laga: | not sure if that works well with nvidia-settings |
| [12:53:49] | biohazd: | cant get ternimal up on linux now :( hehe |
| [12:53:54] | biohazd: | im on windows pc |
| [12:54:20] | Dagmar: | We have a don't ask don't tell policy on that |
| [12:54:27] | biohazd: | hehe :) |
| [12:54:39] | biohazd: | weird. i use windows at home, and linux at work :) |
| [12:54:41] | Dagmar: | However, personally I find the practice loathesome |
| [12:55:22] | biohazd: | hehe.. next u gonna say u dont like suse linux :) |
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| [13:04:52] | biohazd: | damn now i cant get a terminal to appear on the desktop :( |
| [13:07:11] | mkrufky: | terminal, or *any* new app. biohazd? |
| [13:07:55] | biohazd: | only terminal |
| [13:08:04] | biohazd: | i add shortcut t onvidai-settings, ran it |
| [13:08:10] | biohazd: | so i think it will work now after reboot |
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| [13:08:19] | mkrufky: | oh, i was going to suggest to restart the window manager, but then that cant be the problem |
| [13:08:25] | biohazd: | :) |
| [13:08:33] | mkrufky: | ok, well.. unrelated: |
| [13:08:38] | biohazd: | :) |
| [13:08:50] | mkrufky: | what is the best way to clone a mysql database to a new hard drive? |
| [13:09:09] | biohazd: | mysqldump ? |
| [13:09:19] | mkrufky: | sounds good to me :-) |
| [13:09:24] | biohazd: | if same versions, u could use rsync to copy |
| [13:09:28] | biohazd: | but a dump is best |
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| [13:09:55] | mkrufky: | i am finally rebuilding my mythbackend, but using a new hard drive |
| [13:10:05] | mkrufky: | and i will need to use my old db |
| [13:10:07] | biohazd: | nice |
| [13:10:24] | biohazd: | dart terminal still fails to open |
| [13:10:29] | biohazd: | *drat |
| [13:10:31] | mkrufky: | from fc5 --> f7 |
| [13:11:23] | biohazd: | cool. why did u choose fedora ? |
| [13:11:53] | mkrufky: | in the first place? probably as a result of j-rod's myth(tv)ology |
| [13:11:58] | mkrufky: | ...howto |
| [13:12:02] | biohazd: | ahh i see |
| [13:12:09] | biohazd: | how long u ben on mythtv ? |
| [13:12:11] | mkrufky: | but ive just been using it ever since, cuz ive been happy with it |
| [13:12:21] | mkrufky: | i actually like how it runs under gentoo a little more |
| [13:12:22] | biohazd: | :) |
| [13:12:38] | mkrufky: | and i tried ubuntu, but... i dunno, i guess i feel better with the f7 box |
| [13:12:46] | mkrufky: | i had this seting for about 3 years |
| [13:12:50] | mkrufky: | setup, that is |
| [13:13:03] | mkrufky: | er, maybe 2 yrs |
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| [13:13:50] | k-man: | do you guys use a program to keep your rockbox music folder in sync with a folder on your pc? |
| [13:14:28] | biohazd: | rsync ? |
| [13:15:00] | k-man: | yeah |
| [13:15:00] | biohazd: | damn its not saving my settings in nvidia-settings. so i cant get terminal to work |
| [13:15:07] | biohazd: | :) |
| [13:15:32] | k-man: | i was thinking of rsync but its linux only, i'm just trying out unison wich is windows/mac and linux |
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| [13:15:51] | biohazd: | col |
| [13:15:51] | k-man: | hey, wouldn't it be cool if rockbox had an rsync client built into it? |
| [13:15:57] | k-man: | hehe |
| [13:16:11] | k-man: | then you could still listen/use it and rsync it at the same time |
| [13:16:46] | k-man: | is there some way I can tell if my usb port is running in usb1 or 2? |
| [13:16:50] | k-man: | i feel like its very slow |
| [13:16:56] | k-man: | or maybe the ipod is slow |
| [13:18:19] | tremby: | i think usb1's max throughput is about 300 kilobytes a sec |
| [13:18:24] | tremby: | whereas usb2 is much faster |
| [13:18:37] | biohazd: | try |
| [13:18:43] | biohazd: | cat /proc/bus/bus..... |
| [13:18:49] | biohazd: | or usbview ? |
| [13:19:26] | biohazd: | or plug in device and tail dmesg should tell u |
| [13:20:41] | Cry_wolf2: | k-man: Rockbox is using some builtin usbmode that is usb1, boot original if you whant speed |
| [13:20:57] | k-man: | Cry_wolf2, ooh! really? |
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| [13:21:06] | Cry_wolf2: | yepp |
| [13:21:13] | k-man: | Cry_wolf2, thats very intersting |
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| [13:50:02] | k-man: | damn, i just realised i asked those rockbox questions on mythtv-users |
| [13:50:17] | k-man: | bloody xchat opened a new tab on me and I didn;t realise |
| [13:50:28] | k-man: | sorry for the off topic |
| [13:50:40] | k-man: | but thanks for the good answers |
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| [14:23:31] | nickburns: | hi all, i'm having some trouble getting mythtv to work. i have run the backend but the frontend keeps telling me it can't connect. netstat shows the backend is not listening. am i missing something? |
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| [14:27:32] | djc_: | very strange.. mythtv-setup's main menu seems to be invisible |
| [14:29:12] | mkrufky: | i have that same problem right now, djc_ ... let me know if you figure it out — i'll do the same |
| [14:29:27] | mkrufky: | (new installation) |
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| [14:31:28] | janneg: | djc_, mkrufky: opengl painter or qt painter? plese try navigating or pressing return once |
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| [14:32:55] | mkrufky: | janneg: qt painter, and yes, the menus are there, just not visible |
| [14:33:04] | mkrufky: | hitting return brings up the next menu |
| [14:34:16] | Syphn1: | anyone have any experience with nvidia drivers? |
| [14:35:20] | janneg: | mkrufky: does the main menu redraws correctly after returning from a submenu or navigating in it? |
| [14:35:40] | mkrufky: | janneg: no |
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| [14:36:10] | Syphn1: | i'm using fedora and it picted up the card, and i added: Option "TVOutFormat" "COMPOSITE" to the xorg.conf but get nothing, i also tried installing nvidia9755 and x wouldn't even load then :-( |
| [14:36:27] | Igg-man: | Mythflix displays "Image Not Available" instead of the movie thumbnail, is there a setting I missed somewhere? |
| [14:36:46] | Igg-man: | The description contains a URL for the Image |
| [14:39:02] | Igg-man: | Syphn1: Which card do you have? |
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| [14:39:31] | Syphn1: | geforce4 |
| [14:40:16] | Igg-man: | Syphn1: Mine was something like '"ConnectedMonitor" "CRT" ' |
| [14:40:34] | mkrufky: | hmm... ok, looks like this invisible menu (in mythtv-setup, mythfrontend) is the only problem right now... i've successfully installed f7+mythtv and imported the old db and all recordings are still there :-) .... but i get this when starting mythbackend: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed .... i dunno what that error mea |
| [14:40:36] | Igg-man: | Syphn1: I've got a different TV now though, this one has VGA in |
| [14:41:06] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: Did you setup the database? |
| [14:41:48] | mkrufky: | Igg-man: i did mysqldump on the original hard drive, then imported the dump into the new installation ... what other database setup do i have to do? |
| [14:42:05] | Igg-man: | just mythconverg, as far as I know |
| [14:42:24] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: I think I saw a simliar error when the mysql client stuff wasn't installed |
| [14:42:35] | mkrufky: | hmm, ok |
| [14:42:41] | Syphn1: | Igg-man: '"ConnectedMonitor" "CRT" .. would that possiably load x with the nvidia9755 installed? |
| [14:42:42] | Igg-man: | Syphn1: Does the "ConnectedMonitor" option work? |
| [14:42:59] | Igg-man: | Syphn1: I don't know, you may just have to try it |
| [14:43:04] | mkrufky: | Igg-man: which "mysql client stuff" ? |
| [14:43:08] | Syphn1: | one second |
| [14:44:01] | Igg-man: | Syphn1: Wait a sec... I have that backwords, it should be "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" or... "COMPOSIT" |
| [14:44:19] | mkrufky: | janneg: the invisible menu problem seems to be the same problem that i've seen when using mismatched nvidia kernel module + libraries, except that this is on a different machine, with an ati card ... seems only the text is invisible |
| [14:44:33] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: I think there are some shared libs for mysql that may need to be installed |
| [14:44:43] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: Do you have all the mysql client stuff installed? |
| [14:44:56] | mkrufky: | what package name in fedora ? |
| [14:45:06] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: stuff like mysql-dev... I don't know FC that much |
| [14:45:11] | mkrufky: | ok, brb |
| [14:45:24] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: I use Gentoo, but I think my roommate uses fc on both his mythtv boxes |
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| [14:47:20] | fiyawerx: | Hey guys, I'm getting ready to set up myth on a kubuntu install I just did over an old hp media center machine, does anyone know if I can get the IR remote that came with it to work? I'm not sure how to find what drivers I'll need or if it works. |
| [14:47:38] | fiyawerx: | the usb ir part just says HP on it |
| [14:47:50] | Igg-man: | Syphn1: If that doesn't work, try checking https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut (even if you don't use ubuntu), it still looks like it applies |
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| [14:48:07] | Syphn1: | Igg-man thanks trying that now ... |
| [14:48:13] | Igg-man: | fiyawerx: IR remotes need lirc, if I remember right |
| [14:48:46] | Syphn1: | Igg-man: nope, still no X |
| [14:48:51] | Igg-man: | hmm |
| [14:48:52] | mkrufky: | Igg-man: mysql-devel didnt make a difference |
| [14:49:03] | mkrufky: | i'll remove it, and install again later if necessary |
| [14:49:11] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: Huh. Is there a ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file? |
| [14:49:29] | janneg: | mkrufky: that's understandable since it's a X11 message |
| [14:49:56] | Igg-man: | Syphn1: Huh, do you want see my xorg.conf? |
| [14:50:20] | mkrufky: | janneg: so i should ignore it? |
| [14:50:29] | Syphn1: | Igg-man: i think its the nvidia9755. if my xorg.conf has "nv" x loads, "nvidia" x doesn't ... |
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| [14:50:36] | juski: | hmm that was lame |
| [14:50:44] | mkrufky: | Igg-man: everything is working, i just have the wierd message when mythbackend starts, and invisible menu text |
| [14:50:57] | Dagmar: | 9755 is teh old |
| [14:51:15] | Igg-man: | oh |
| [14:51:21] | fiyawerx: | Igg-man: thanks, will look it up |
| [14:51:21] | Igg-man: | I thought it wasn't working at all |
| [14:51:26] | Igg-man: | Do you have an xterm? |
| [14:51:47] | mkrufky: | me? yes |
| [14:51:49] | juski: | if anybody else re-opens #3778 I'm gonna go ballistic |
| [14:51:57] | Cyberai: | I'm having a couple probelsm with SVN, I have no OSD and when I try to exit a recording or it reaches the end of a recording, it freezes. |
| [14:52:05] | Igg-man: | fiyawerx: I gave up on the IR remote after setting one up... much easier to use a full sized wireless keyboard :-) |
| [14:52:10] | Cyberai: | has anyone seen this before? |
| [14:52:23] | janneg: | juski: just lock the ticket |
| [14:52:47] | Igg-man: | what's 3778? |
| [14:53:06] | Dagmar: | #3778: Programming on PBS appears boring |
| [14:53:31] | Igg-man: | Ah, okay |
| [14:53:32] | Dagmar: | #47182: Recordings from CSPAN damaged--all speakers sound stupid. |
| [14:54:13] | Igg-man: | Who watches cspan anyway? |
| [14:54:22] | Dagmar: | Well, I do for about 15 seconds a shift |
| [14:54:36] | Dagmar: | I gotta make sure all the cable channels on campus are working properly when I come on |
| [14:54:40] | mkrufky: | ...and even better, who watches cspan timeshifted?!? |
| [14:55:14] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: Everybody, none of it is live :-) |
| [14:55:52] | mkrufky: | hehhe... yeah thats true |
| [14:56:30] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: Where are you from? |
| [14:56:36] | Dagmar: | Hey, how else do you get really quality recordings of people like Ted Stevens talking about the internet being a series of tubes |
| [14:56:38] | mkrufky: | Brooklyn |
| [14:56:53] | Igg-man: | Cool |
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| [14:57:34] | mkrufky: | janneg: any suggestions about the invisible text? |
| [14:57:44] | juski: | mkrufky: usually missing fonts |
| [14:57:54] | mkrufky: | thanks, juski |
| [14:58:05] | juski: | Arial missing, being the most likely suspect |
| [14:58:11] | Igg-man: | mkrufky: I used to have an issue like that with a specific profile. I changed to the "Media Center" profile, it seems to work fine now |
| [14:58:20] | Igg-man: | I should go back to the default profile now and see if it still does that |
| [14:58:33] | jams: | profile? |
| [14:58:45] | mkrufky: | hmm... do you know the keystrokes to get to the submenu that will let me change the profile? |
| [14:58:46] | juski: | after my holidays I think I'll start looking at eliminating those nasty qt widgets. I'm fscking sick of them |
| [14:59:16] | juski: | mkrufky: can you not just install the mscorefonts? |
| [14:59:17] | janneg: | mkrufky: which profile? |
| [14:59:27] | juski: | or use a theme which doesn't depend on fonts like Arial |
| [14:59:27] | mkrufky: | im in GANT right now |
| [15:00:02] | juski: | come to think about it, I really have a moral objection to core themes depending on MS fonts ;) |
| [15:00:46] | juski: | freesans would do well instead of Arial – not much to tell them apart IIRC |
| [15:01:16] | mkrufky: | no "mscorefonts" package, but i found a "tv-fonts" package... maybe this will help |
| [15:01:27] | juski: | depends- is 'arial' part of them? |
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| [15:01:36] | mkrufky: | i dunno |
| [15:01:57] | mkrufky: | grr |
| [15:02:37] | juski: | mkrufky: just start mythfrontend with a theme override like mythfrontend -O Theme=blootube or something |
| [15:02:47] | mkrufky: | ah, perfect |
| [15:02:54] | juski: | blootube uses Vera, so you'd obviously need that installed |
| [15:03:39] | mkrufky: | it's loading in gant anyway :-( |
| [15:03:45] | mkrufky: | i must be doing something wrong, brb |
| [15:04:18] | juski: | themes are in a bit of a mess right now IMHO |
| [15:04:19] | janneg: | mkrufky: you have to have blootube installed |
| [15:04:43] | mkrufky: | yes, i ffigured i probably didnt have that one, so im looking to see which ones i have installed |
| [15:05:14] | juski: | the fact we rely on qtlook.txt for popups, and the fact qt themes can override some parts of that is pretty lame IMHO, and no doubt the reason tickets like #3778 keep springing up |
| [15:05:22] | janneg: | and I agree, having ms fonts needed for the default theme is bad |
| [15:06:04] | juski: | thing is though janneg what would be a happy medium – i.e. a font commonly installed by default in the majority of linux distros ? |
| [15:06:24] | juski: | or would it just need to be a font we already ship with mythtv? |
| [15:06:37] | jams: | heh that discussion was head years ago. and ms-core-fonts was the answer |
| [15:06:47] | jams: | *had |
| [15:06:59] | juski: | yeah but isn't ms-core-fonts a bit naughty? |
| [15:07:32] | mkrufky: | ok, im good, now :-) |
| [15:07:36] | jams: | don't think so, but not really for sure |
| [15:07:49] | mkrufky: | still have that wierd message when i start mythbackend, but i can ignore it for now |
| [15:07:51] | juski: | for everybody who gets on a moral high horse about copyright – it's a bit hypocritical to advocate using illegally distributed fonts (if indeed they are) |
| [15:08:33] | janneg: | does debian or fedora have mscorefonts easily installable? |
| [15:08:42] | mkrufky: | i couldnt find it on fedora |
| [15:08:45] | juski: | fedora7 doesn't AFAIK |
| [15:09:18] | juski: | there was a -users ML post about them the other day – some jumping through hoops is needed – i.e. building an rpm from a sourceforge tarball |
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| [15:10:38] | jams: | redhat released there own replacement fonts |
| [15:10:47] | janneg: | Bitstream Vera is probably in th default install, Red Hats replacement for mscorefonts will probably become standard |
| [15:10:55] | janneg: | https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ |
| [15:11:27] | juski: | the corefonts sourceforge page seems to imply it's ok to redistribute them, but I'm left thinking "come on, this is MS we're talking about here" |
| [15:13:15] | juski: | and since it's their 'core fonts for the web' we're talking about – the usage limitations don't seem compatible with a GPL project |
| [15:14:12] | juski: | what I'm left wondering is – I'd always thought myth or X would try to substitute a font in the case of one being missing – but that's obviously not going on. this is a problem I can't see going away overnight |
| [15:14:43] | Dagmar: | Well, you *can* distribute the MS Web Fonts, but... the licence is just a bitch to get around |
| [15:14:54] | Dagmar: | You have to ship the bloody things out in their original cab format. |
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| [15:15:06] | jams: | qt does try to do the sub, but often fails. |
| [15:15:09] | Dagmar: | ...or in the case of Tahoma, in their weird exe container |
| [15:15:20] | juski: | yeah and.. they're forbidden from use in commercial products, which isn't compatible with the GPL |
| [15:15:23] | Dagmar: | ...and from there you can then use cabextract to actually install them in a usable formar. |
| [15:15:35] | Dagmar: | s/formar/format/;l |
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| [15:16:17] | juski: | if I commit a change to the core myth themes to get away from the ms fonts, I can see that being somewhat unpopular |
| [15:16:27] | juski: | people get jerky when I commit a new icon ffs |
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| [15:17:45] | Dagmar: | Well, you can try the Liberation Fonts Redhat published. |
| [15:18:00] | Dagmar: | They're kinda okay, but they don't do much better than Bitstream Vera |
| [15:18:16] | juski: | maybe if we start to use a commonly unused theme tag – stylehint – that'll alleviate the problem a bit |
| [15:19:04] | Dagmar: | I'd rather see the GUI offset raw numbers go'way to be replaced by 5% and 10% padding settings for horizontal and vertical, in line with the overscan limits no one pays any heed at all to |
| [15:19:33] | juski: | Dagmar: nah that'd mess up the code too much |
| [15:19:53] | Dagmar: | Changing setup dialogs would screw things up that badly? |
| [15:19:54] | juski: | I find the offsets really useful |
| [15:20:17] | Dagmar: | I know I enjoy holding up-arrow until the thing gets near 986 pixels |
| [15:20:35] | juski: | wait til I've done my appearance settings screen man |
| [15:20:40] | juski: | it'll be a joy & quick to do |
| [15:20:45] | Dagmar: | I can wait for that |
| [15:21:01] | Dagmar: | Anything that doesn't involve goatse pix would probably be an improvement over the way they're laid out now. |
| [15:21:25] | juski: | though by the time it's done, the world & his dog will probably all be using flat panels which can display the very extreme edges anyway :P |
| [15:21:59] | jams: | my lcd has 5% overscan. THANKS SAMSUNG! |
| [15:22:05] | juski: | my dev box hasnt been powered up for quite some time now |
| [15:22:24] | Dagmar: | jams: If it didn't, people would probably be returning them because of the "weird static at the top of the screen" |
| [15:23:39] | jams: | true, but you can alway sshift the screen a pixel or two to get rid of it. |
| [15:24:09] | jams: | it's just annoying |
| [15:24:22] | juski: | 5% sounds like a good figure to have |
| [15:24:52] | juski: | so long as you don't use FrazelHD |
| [15:25:01] | jams: | it's very noticable..might even be more then 5 |
| [15:25:50] | jams: | FrazelHD was released? |
| [15:25:50] | juski: | using 720x576Noscale I get the same amoung of overscan my cable STB has – the bottom of the ticker on news24 hits the exact same spot on my TV |
| [15:26:15] | juski: | jams: the guy who made it has gone for a path of minimal headache I think – i.e. he told nobody |
| [15:26:25] | juski: | I wish tf I'd done that sometimes |
| [15:26:59] | jams: | really..where do you download it. I have only seen the slideshow |
| [15:27:34] | juski: | ahh! I see what you mean |
| [15:27:35] | juski: | whoops! |
| [15:27:55] | jams: | been watching it for a while |
| [15:27:57] | juski: | it's been 'nearing completion' since before I started developing blootube-wide – so I guess it'll never be finished |
| [15:28:10] | jams: | yeah it has been |
| [15:28:29] | jams: | no offense but i remember thinking blootube looks a bit like frazel |
| [15:28:35] | juski: | infact there's more than just a passing similarity in the menu screens of both themes ;) |
| [15:29:03] | juski: | come on jams you don't think all my ideas are completely original do you? ;) |
| [15:29:09] | jams: | hehe |
| [15:29:37] | juski: | I never liked Frazel's rectangular select bars though |
| [15:29:39] | biohazd: | thnaks for the help guys, cheers |
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| [15:30:10] | juski: | and I think even Mepo borrows Frazel's styling to a degree too |
| [15:31:28] | jams: | could be, i don't remember much of mepo anymore |
| [15:31:30] | juski: | ahhh. now I see wtf they were on about when the ticket was reopened. doh! |
| [15:32:38] | juski: | "ext boxes using the on- screen keyboard are unreadable |
| [15:33:02] | juski: | text boxes using the onscreen keyboard should just have said "text in the popup menus" and not mentioned the onscreen keyboard |
| [15:40:51] | tha_toadman: | is it possible to make 'mytharchive' work in a separate backend and frontend setup? |
| [15:41:38] | tha_toadman: | i saw a disclaimer in the wiki about it not working...unless it was on a frontend/backend only machine |
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| [15:44:09] | mkrufky: | thanks everybody |
| [15:44:10] | mkrufky: | bbl |
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| [15:50:25] | bluey-: | mhh can anyone tell me which useflags for apache2 i need for this apple trailer plugin |
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| [15:51:43] | juski: | the apple trailer thing is not a plugin |
| [15:51:53] | juski: | it's a chunk of code you strap on |
| [15:52:01] | bluey-: | whatever :) |
| [15:52:52] | bluey-: | it fails here because it't misses a suitable wrapper. I'm on Gentoo... thats why i think i miss some features in apache2 |
| [15:53:21] | juski: | I thought it only needed php |
| [15:53:41] | bluey-: | ehh not apache2... meaned php . Was a bit confused |
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| [16:04:41] | Aval0n: | are there any filters that help out with motion blur? |
| [16:05:05] | juski: | you know that denoise3d you use? that causes motion blur |
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| [16:06:04] | cj_: | hi guys, can anyone recommend a dual tuner which is cheaper than the nova-t but as well supported? i just busted the antenna socket ;( |
| [16:06:16] | juski: | that was bright! |
| [16:06:39] | juski: | and fwiw, the nova-t500 is about your only option |
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| [16:07:18] | cj_: | lol, yup sucks to be me |
| [16:07:21] | juski: | how the hell do you break the aerial socket on a tuner card anyway? |
| [16:07:36] | cj_: | just as everything was working as expected |
| [16:07:53] | cj_: | plugged the wrong side of the signal booster into it in the dark |
| [16:08:04] | juski: | heh |
| [16:08:30] | juski: | I'd fix it for a tenner |
| [16:08:47] | cj_: | do you think it will need a new socket? |
| [16:08:52] | juski: | oh yeah |
| [16:09:11] | juski: | you could do a bodge job & solder a coax lead to what's left of the centre pin |
| [16:09:33] | cj_: | i tried using tinfoil to extend it but it never worked |
| [16:09:34] | juski: | I take it you've just broken the springy part of the centre pin in half |
| [16:09:48] | cj_: | it's been pushed all the way back |
| [16:10:09] | juski: | ffs you big lump! |
| [16:10:17] | cj_: | indeed, brand new too |
| [16:10:51] | cj_: | i dont see any new ones below £50 |
| [16:11:14] | juski: | won't bother asking if you can solder – if you could you'd already be on with it |
| [16:12:03] | juski: | http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=1615&doy=2m9 |
| [16:12:04] | cj_: | i can solder i just dont have a soldering gun. would probably save a lot of money just buying one and a new socket |
| [16:12:31] | cj_: | s/gun/iron/ |
| [16:12:42] | juski: | though since you managed to mangle the original so easily I wouldn't be in a hurry to advocate you take the tuner can to bits |
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| [16:13:03] | Aval0n: | juski: yeah I use denoise3d=2 |
| [16:13:16] | Aval0n: | I turned it off and it's still has blur |
| [16:13:17] | juski: | Aval0n: that's where yer motion blur is coming from I bet |
| [16:13:23] | Aval0n: | it helped |
| [16:13:25] | Aval0n: | when I turned it off |
| [16:13:33] | Aval0n: | but now it looks like crap again :) |
| [16:13:37] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [16:13:43] | Aval0n: | I dunno what the problem is |
| [16:13:48] | juski: | I know |
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| [16:13:53] | cj_: | i'm a lot more careful since realising how fragile they are |
| [16:13:57] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [16:14:44] | Aval0n: | I bet you do. |
| [16:14:51] | cj_: | lol |
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| [16:17:11] | Syphn1: | trying to setup mythtv 0.20.2, where does mythtc-setup look for the database? |
| [16:18:07] | Syphn1: | mythtv-setup says it can't connect to the database |
| [16:18:44] | iamben: | is there some setup i need to do for mythweather? it just hangs at "retrieving weather data" |
| [16:19:04] | Dagmar: | Database has to be running |
| [16:19:19] | Dagmar: | As to WHERE it is, that's one of the things you're supposed to TELL mythtv-setup |
| [16:19:32] | Syphn1: | Dagmar: i believe it is ... one second |
| [16:19:35] | Dagmar: | iamben: Mythweather currently does not work |
| [16:19:52] | Dagmar: | Syphn1: you really do need to read the installation documantation for this stuff |
| [16:20:22] | iamben: | Dagmar: the manual says "A working version of MythWeather can be found in svn.", is this wrong? |
| [16:21:03] | iamben: | or do they mean it is being worked on right now, but doesn't work |
| [16:22:48] | Dagmar: | Syphn1: At least until you've gotten to the point where you've run mythfilldatabase |
| [16:25:12] | Syphn1: | Dagmar: so then the database mythtv-setup would look for would be in: $ mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [16:25:28] | Dagmar: | iamben: I am not *sure* but the module may be named something else, but it's worth a shot to grab SVN head |
| [16:26:13] | Aval0n: | Dagmar: did you get my PM? |
| [16:30:25] | Syphn1: | Dagmar? |
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| [16:33:13] | Dagmar: | Syphn1: That question doesn't really even make sense man. |
| [16:33:31] | Dagmar: | That command you're quoting is meant to actually construct the tables in the database server that MythTV will be using. |
| [16:33:51] | Syphn1: | i know thatm it, mythtv does that |
| [16:34:01] | Dagmar: | Basically, it's feeding /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql to the mysql client, and that mc.sql file is just a text file with a bunch of SQL commands in it. |
| [16:34:03] | Dagmar: | You can even look at it. |
| [16:34:17] | Dagmar: | ...but weird/bad things will happen if you never imported those tables and try to run mythtv setup |
| [16:34:23] | Syphn1: | awe ok thats what it missing ... |
| [16:34:35] | Dagmar: | Just one other thing that screws people up... |
| [16:34:36] | Syphn1: | i thought it was creating it ... |
| [16:34:45] | Syphn1: | i need to locate that file :-) |
| [16:35:05] | Dagmar: | If you're running everything on one machine (mysql/backend/frontend) then in almost every instance, you'll refer to the location of the database as 'localhost', not 127.0.0.1 |
| [16:35:29] | Dagmar: | Syphn1: If you built the thing it'll probably be right where the docs say, otherwise `find /usr -name mc.sql` |
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| [16:35:56] | Dagmar: | The reason you use the name 'localhost' to tell thigns where the database is is because of the way connections to the database server work. |
| [16:36:24] | Dagmar: | For security reasons, if the database server is meant to be running on the same machine as all it's clients, it does not bind an IP socket at all, so it can *NOT* be contacted over the network. |
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| [16:36:45] | Dagmar: | The special name 'localhost' will make all clients use a unix socket to connect to the database |
| [16:37:00] | Dagmar: | If you tell it 127.0.0.1, they'll try to use a TCP socket, which will fail |
| [16:37:13] | Dagmar: | So, just keep that in mind. |
| [16:37:26] | Dagmar: | The docs aren't entirely explicit as to what the difference is and why it matters excepting in the wiki |
| [16:37:57] | Dagmar: | You also might find http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview useful |
| [16:38:23] | Dagmar: | It's easier to deal with the thing if you have a rudimentary knowledge of how the various pieces are supposed to interact. |
| [16:38:39] | Dagmar: | I know when I set it up the first time it gave me fits, and I'm _really_ good at this sort of stuff |
| [16:39:27] | Dagmar: | Crap I need to find my password and make an edit to that page to point out how cheap 500Gb drives are now |
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| [16:41:06] | Syphn1: | thanks Dagmar ... found it, and connecting now :) |
| [16:41:09] | Syphn1: | thanks |
| [16:41:17] | Dagmar: | no problem |
| [16:43:53] | laga: | bah |
| [16:44:21] | laga: | my ati remote is unresponsive although the batteries should be fresh. you really don't have to change the batteries after two weeks i hope |
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| [16:45:50] | Aval0n: | anyone k now the syntax to turn off temperal comb on ivtv 0.10.5 |
| [16:46:17] | slyski: | Just upgraded to 0.20.2 for the SD thing. Schedules are goofy but i'll ride it out for a while till the db settles in. Xscreensaver kicks in while watching a recorded program. Never did that on the earlier version. Any suggestions? |
| [16:46:49] | laga: | slyski: odd. what distro? compiled mythtv yourself? |
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| [16:47:31] | slyski: | Archlinux. Yes- Had to cause they didn't have any yet |
| [16:47:53] | Dagmar: | slyski: Stop trying to run the thing under a DE |
| [16:48:38] | laga: | Dagmar: should work anyways |
| [16:48:56] | laga: | i'm currently running mythfrontend under kde. till i get stuff setup properly :) |
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| [16:49:58] | inaety: | how can i toggle between fullscreen and not? |
| [16:50:06] | laga: | you can't |
| [16:50:10] | blueCommand: | If I want a PCI DVB card that I can use to receive both HDTV and normal MPEG-2, what should I look for? MPEG-2 and 4? MPEG-2 and H.264? |
| [16:50:12] | slyski: | I'm recompiling a new on now because the mythfilldatabase suggested time thing now |
| [16:50:15] | laga: | you have to change it in the settings |
| [16:50:28] | laga: | inaety: maybe there's a command line option, though. or use -O to override |
| [16:50:29] | inaety: | laga, oh okay |
| [16:50:47] | inaety: | laga: but i can have it be in non-fullscreen the whole time atleast |
| [16:50:55] | laga: | inaety: sure. |
| [16:51:21] | laga: | you can't resize it, though. but a 800x600 window works for me usually |
| [16:52:03] | Dagmar: | laga: Yeah, but if his DE is misconfigured it will not pick up the hints that the screen is actually in use |
| [16:52:21] | Dagmar: | laga: ...and that appears to be what was going on there. XScreenSaver gets it's hints for that from X. |
| [16:52:21] | inaety: | laga: it gave me like 1550x1150 |
| [16:52:23] | laga: | Dagmar: mythfrontend simples disables DPMS afaik |
| [16:52:28] | laga: | so it should work |
| [16:52:34] | Dagmar: | laga: ...and yet it didn't. |
| [16:52:44] | laga: | Dagmar: right. |
| [16:52:49] | inaety: | laga: but it's cool |
| [16:53:06] | inaety: | oh, and something else...my music folder is just a bunch of .mpe |
| [16:53:47] | inaety: | oh, and something else...my music folder is just a bunch of .mp3's and no folders so the mythmusic plugin is reading it as a that and is there anyway to separte by artists > albums > songs? |
| [16:54:23] | Dagmar: | inaety: It reads the id3 tags for taht |
| [16:54:30] | Dagmar: | Do you not have any id3 tags in those things? |
| [16:54:50] | slyski: | I diasbled DPMS in the .xscreensaver file |
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| [16:54:57] | inaety: | Dagmar: i do but i dunno how to make it so it reads them |
| [16:55:16] | Enul: | can somene please tell me if i can use my tv card with mythtv? |
| [16:55:26] | slyski: | and it says it's disabled in the messages also |
| [16:55:30] | laga: | Enul: no, you failed to tell us what kind of tv card you have |
| [16:55:33] | GreyFoxx: | Enul: What do you have ? |
| [16:55:45] | Enul: | ati all in wonder ve |
| [16:56:37] | Syphn1: | how about this one: my mythtv user can't write to /storage how can i change that? |
| [16:57:09] | laga: | Syphn1: man chmod, man chown |
| [16:57:23] | Syphn1: | sweet |
| [16:57:59] | Dagmar: | inaety: it should be able to read them if libid3 was present when mythmusic was compiled |
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| [16:58:59] | Enul: | ok i'll put it in the form of a question.. Can i use an ati all in wonder ve tv card with mythtv? |
| [16:59:11] | inaety: | Dagmar: it's ubuntu deb so i can just install it...if it reads the id3 tags correctly then it will display like artist > albums > song? |
| [16:59:11] | Dagmar: | Nope |
| [16:59:17] | slyski: | I'm setting the timeout to 30mins. till something else develops. Thnx :) |
| [16:59:29] | Dagmar: | inaety: What matters is if the library was there at the time MythMusic was compiled |
| [16:59:42] | laga: | the ubuntu packages can read id3 tags. |
| [16:59:47] | inaety: | Dagmar: okay ill check |
| [16:59:47] | Dagmar: | http://musicbrainz.org/ <--- this site has WONDERFUL tools for retagging music |
| [16:59:58] | GreyFoxx: | Enul: I think the VE will work |
| [17:00:09] | Enul: | thank you |
| [17:00:17] | Dagmar: | So, if your id3 tags are broken, grab something from musicbrainz and set up an account with them and you should be able to sort them all out and retag them with disgusting speed |
| [17:00:41] | inaety: | Dagmar: haha will it create folders and everything for me? |
| [17:00:42] | GreyFoxx: | Enul: Actually I might be wrong |
| [17:01:04] | GreyFoxx: | The TV Wonder VE supposedly works, but it says the All-In-Wonder series doesn't but I don't know how recent that info is |
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| [17:01:32] | GreyFoxx: | not many people ask baout them these days |
| [17:02:47] | Dagmar: | inaety: Oh yes |
| [17:03:10] | directhex: | framegrabbertastic |
| [17:03:13] | inaety: | Dagmar: thanks and what was the library i needed, just libid3? |
| [17:03:21] | Dagmar: | inaety: The people who have populated the database are also a bunch of obsessives with weird music tastes, so if a song has five variations out there, you'll see all five listed with their times and what media they were originally from |
| [17:03:28] | Enul: | i need some help.. i cant seem to get mythtv to work.. i keep getting the error "cannot connecto the background server" |
| [17:03:42] | laga: | Enul: have you read the documentation? |
| [17:04:04] | Enul: | i dont have any documentation |
| [17:04:04] | Dagmar: | inaety: Yes you do definitely need libid3tag |
| [17:04:09] | laga: | Enul: www.mythtv.org |
| [17:04:18] | Enul: | thank you |
| [17:04:20] | Dagmar: | Enul: "backend" server |
| [17:04:56] | iamben: | i set my timezone (offset) incorrectly when setting up mythtv to use the xmltv grabber, what do i need to do to clear out the db and refill it with the new info? |
| [17:04:57] | inaety: | Dagmar: it's at it's newest version |
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| [17:11:27] | Syphn1: | last thing tog et setup is the pvr350 remote ... |
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| [17:18:35] | juski: | interesting thread here for y'all owners of analogue cards – a valuable lesson : http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight= |
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| [17:19:26] | juski: | really bad interference problem on a tuner card – moved the tuner to a different slot further away from the PSU.. bingo |
| [17:19:44] | dougl: | I took all of my drives out of my original myth box and put them in a new box with dual core and 2x the memory but now mythfrontend is complaining about not seeing mythbackend and my network is not configured – anyone have any suggestions? |
| [17:20:09] | juski: | yeah I have a suggestion |
| [17:20:21] | dougl: | lol – ok? |
| [17:20:21] | juski: | 1. make the new machine's hostname the same as it was in the old system |
| [17:20:29] | fiyawerx: | ok, getting my ir remote was a lot easier than i thought it'd be |
| [17:20:36] | fiyawerx: | irckick works , just gotta config all the buttons now |
| [17:20:43] | juski: | 2. mount the drives to the same paths they were in the old system |
| [17:21:00] | fiyawerx: | er irkick not irc heh |
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| [17:21:08] | juski: | irkick? that's a new one |
| [17:21:35] | juski: | ah some KDE thing. |
| [17:21:50] | dougl: | 1 – yep = is the same ie is the old system config booting on new mobo |
| [17:22:10] | dougl: | 2 drives and grub exactly the same as original |
| [17:22:21] | Syphn1: | how can i tell if lirc deamon is running? |
| [17:22:29] | juski: | dougl: stop mythbackend & run mythtv-setup to make sure everything's ok |
| [17:22:30] | dougl: | pidof lircd |
| [17:23:02] | Syphn1: | good its running |
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| [17:23:38] | dougl: | Syphn1, lirc.conf and lircrc.conf in place? |
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| [17:23:51] | Syphn1: | doc|home |
| [17:24:05] | Syphn1: | dougl: lirc.conf is |
| [17:24:18] | Syphn1: | when i run irw it kills the lirc deamon |
| [17:24:39] | dougl: | juski, there in lies the problem... my buddy spoon fed me and xvnc'd in to config and I am dumb – lol |
| [17:25:22] | dougl: | Syphn1, what ir are you using? |
| [17:25:52] | dougl: | pvr remote I see |
| [17:26:29] | Syphn1: | yup 350 grey |
| [17:27:59] | dougl: | juski, do you know of a network setup utility for debian to configure nics/network? |
| [17:28:18] | |Torg|: | ifconfig broke? |
| [17:29:09] | Dagmar: | onoes |
| [17:29:19] | Syphn1: | dougl: where should lircrc.conf be? |
| [17:29:40] | dougl: | I believe it is a question of loading the modules then the network config could be applied and I'd be up again |
| [17:30:02] | dougl: | |Torg|, ifconfig = status, no? |
| [17:30:23] | |Torg|: | ifconfig will show you status |
| [17:30:29] | |Torg|: | what did you want some GUI with blinking lights? |
| [17:31:02] | dougl: | Syphn1, I dunno if that is the exact file name but a config file should go into ~/.mythtv <- Someone correct me if I am wrong. |
| [17:31:47] | |Torg|: | dougl if you are talking about the lirc config it goes in /etc or /etc/lirc (depends on how you isntalled lircd) |
| [17:31:56] | |Torg|: | lirc is not part of myth, myth simply talks to it |
| [17:32:30] | Syphn1: | ya i have the lircd.conf file in /etc/ |
| [17:32:39] | dougl: | |Torg|, I want 'ifconfig | grep 192' = the correct ip address it had on the other mobo |
| [17:32:45] | Syphn1: | the lirc deamon seems to be crashing (when i run irw) |
| [17:33:05] | dougl: | what is the output? |
| [17:33:18] | Syphn1: | how do i grab that? logs? |
| [17:33:23] | |Torg|: | dougl ifconfig is the tool, you have to tell it to DO something, like "ifcofnig -a" or "ifconfig eth0" |
| [17:33:29] | iamben: | is there any way to tell mythfilldatabase to "trash everything you've got, get all new listings"? |
| [17:36:27] | Syphn1: | should i have a /dev/lirc? |
| [17:37:04] | Yahooadam: | iam – there are quite a few command line switches – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythfilldatabase &n dash; however i cant see one that does what you want |
| [17:37:26] | Yahooadam: | you can allways clear out the tv listings database yourself |
| [17:37:29] | iamben: | Syphn1: make sure you have the lirc_i2c module loaded |
| [17:37:58] | iamben: | Yahooadam: you mean by changing the mysql db directly? |
| [17:38:04] | Yahooadam: | yeah |
| [17:38:17] | |Torg|: | Yahooadam no just truncate program |
| [17:38:27] | juski: | how about the --refresh-all option which mythfilldatabase --help provides? |
| [17:38:40] | Syphn1: | iamben: i do, i have it in my modprobe.conf, and i deamon seems to be running ... |
| [17:38:51] | Yahooadam: | "Only valid for grabbers: DataDirect, se_swedb, no, ee, de_tvtoday" |
| [17:39:04] | juski: | mangling the db yourself is risky |
| [17:39:18] | juski: | and in all probability pretty foolhardy |
| [17:39:18] | Yahooadam: | true enough, but in a last resort he can do it |
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| [17:40:03] | |Torg|: | trucating the progam table isnt as risky as say recreating the db or dumping the whole thing. But on a general sence juski you are correct. |
| [17:40:06] | iamben: | im trying the --refresh-all now |
| [17:40:19] | Yahooadam: | iamben |
| [17:40:20] | DustyBin: | this room is a mixture of lirc and myth database problems |
| [17:40:27] | Yahooadam: | --refresh-all (Only valid for grabbers: DataDirect, se_swedb, no, ee, de_tvtoday) |
| [17:41:12] | Yahooadam: | what OS does knoppmyth use ? – knoppix ? |
| [17:41:12] | iamben: | when i first did the listings, i set my offset wrong.. so all my listings times are an hour off. i've since corrected the problem in my xmltv setup (changed offset from -0600 to -0500) and now i need to get the listings corrected |
| [17:41:30] | Yahooadam: | iamben – i think you just run mythtfilldatabase |
| [17:41:34] | Yahooadam: | and it will update it all anyway |
| [17:41:39] | juski: | can you not just run mythfilldatanase again & have it refresh everything? |
| [17:41:41] | iamben: | Yahooadam: it doesnt seem to be updating hte times |
| [17:41:48] | Yahooadam: | ahh |
| [17:42:26] | juski: | mysql -umythtv -p$password mythconverg -e "truncate program;" – or something. only for the very desperate |
| [17:42:50] | iamben: | i've tried restarting the front and backends after the mythfilldatabase and its still off |
| [17:42:54] | Yahooadam: | you could make an SQL query to fix the time yourself |
| [17:43:19] | iamben: | maybe i should just delete my video source and create a new one? |
| [17:43:29] | Yahooadam: | hold on 2 secs |
| [17:43:33] | juski: | jesus |
| [17:43:48] | Yahooadam: | i find it odd that it would store it with the time offsets |
| [17:43:52] | iamben: | i just wanna trash the listings ive got, i'd rather download a few extra megs than try to fix this with a bunch of mysql queries i dont understand |
| [17:44:00] | juski: | mysql -umythtv -p$password mythconverg -e "truncate program;" – or something. only for the very desperate |
| [17:44:05] | Yahooadam: | the smarter way would be to store it and then modify the times as you access it |
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| [17:44:15] | Yahooadam: | do what juski said :p |
| [17:45:02] | |Torg|: | what juski said, from my reposne to your wanting to move the dabase, is a very last ditch effort to fix somehting |
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| [17:45:34] | |Torg|: | what that command will do is remove every listing, leaving orphan entries in you database |
| [17:45:39] | juski: | it pays to pay attention & get stuff right the first time around |
| [17:45:55] | iamben: | yeah im an idiot i know |
| [17:45:58] | Yahooadam: | ha ha, aint that the truth :p |
| [17:45:59] | |Torg|: | those orphans in an of themsleves will be recreated when you download new listings, but still its not something you want to do lightly |
| [17:46:10] | iamben: | but wtf kind of program doesnt let you change the TIME ZONE without issues? |
| [17:46:27] | juski: | iamben: your time zone should be a constant |
| [17:46:53] | iamben: | yeah unless you travel |
| [17:46:57] | iamben: | or summer ends |
| [17:47:07] | juski: | but it's altogether much easier to.. |
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| [17:47:11] | Yahooadam: | do you take your PVR with you when you travel :S |
| [17:47:52] | |Torg|: | Your listings shouldnt be stored in timezone format |
| [17:47:57] | iamben: | the reason this whole thing started is because xmltv's stupid thing had me enter my offset by hand, and i was thinking -0600 since im always GMT -6, but since its daylight savings now, i needed -0500 |
| [17:48:03] | |Torg|: | timezone is simply a shell varaibel TZ |
| [17:48:17] | iamben: | i dont know how anything is stored, i just know that i set that offset wrong ONCE in xmltv and now my listings are an hour off and i cant fix it |
| [17:48:22] | |Torg|: | tv listings are stored in UMT not whatever timezone you are in |
| [17:48:35] | Yahooadam: | thats what i though ... |
| [17:48:41] | dougl: | ifconfig = success, thanks |
| [17:49:29] | iamben: | and actually, judging from the verbose output last time i did mythfilldatabase, its clear that they are NOT stored in UMT |
| [17:49:30] | Aval0n: | hi torg |
| [17:49:32] | |Torg|: | iamben how do you get your listing? |
| [17:49:40] | |Torg|: | hey Aval0n |
| [17:49:48] | Yahooadam: | maybe XMLTV isnt stored UMT ? |
| [17:49:55] | iamben: | xmltv, from schedules direct. dont ask me why i dont use the internal grabber, i cant use it. |
| [17:49:57] | |Torg|: | 1111 2007-08–25 00:37:00 2007-08–25 01:12:00 CBS 11 News at 10PM |
| [17:50:01] | Aval0n: | hey anyone know how to turn off the temporal comb filter in ivtv 0.0.15? |
| [17:50:05] | Aval0n: | sorry |
| [17:50:05] | |Torg|: | notice that is the 10PM news |
| [17:50:07] | Aval0n: | 0.10.5 |
| [17:50:18] | iamben: | 2007-09–02 12:15:34.145 MSqlQuery: UPDATE program set last = 1 WHERE starttime = '2007-09–09T07:30:00' AND title = 'Zoboomafoo' AND subtitle = 'Who''s Inside the Egg?' AND description = 'Chicks and an alligator hatch; salmon eggs.' |
| [17:50:45] | |Torg|: | like I said iamben where do you get your listings? |
| [17:51:08] | iamben: | |Torg|: im using the xmltv grabber, data from schedules direct |
| [17:51:20] | |Torg|: | internel or the script? |
| [17:51:51] | iamben: | well, mythtv's internal xmltv grabber, but not the internal SD grabber |
| [17:52:26] | iamben: | can i just start over by creating a new video source? |
| [17:52:35] | Syphn1: | anyone else have any ideas why lirc deamon is crashing when i load irw? |
| [17:52:46] | |Torg|: | when you setup the the Video Source, what option did you select? |
| [17:53:02] | |Torg|: | and yes you can just detele them and create new ones, keeping orphans in your database |
| [17:53:28] | |Torg|: | yes Syphn1 it probbly can not talk to the deivce you told it your ir reciever was on |
| [17:53:53] | iamben: | i believe the listings source was called "xmltv (data direct)" in mythtv-setup |
| [17:54:05] | iamben: | and it then runs the configuration in the terminal from which i ran mythtv-setup |
| [17:54:23] | Syphn1: | |Torg|: where would that be set modprob.conf, lircd.conf? |
| [17:54:24] | |Torg|: | ok iamben I was just trying to determine from what point dod you gather the data |
| [17:54:34] | |Torg|: | who do you run mythbackend as, root? |
| [17:55:12] | iamben: | user is mythtv for front & backend |
| [17:55:34] | |Torg|: | are you SURE you run mythbackend as mythtv? |
| [17:55:56] | iamben: | mythtv 20835 0.1 6.3 228224 28700 ? Ssl Sep01 2:21 /usr/bin/mythbackend --verbose important,general --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [17:56:31] | |Torg|: | as mythtv, type "date", what does that tell you the time is? |
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| [17:56:54] | Yahooadam: | quick question, how do you switch user in the terminal ? |
| [17:56:56] | iamben: | my system timezone is set properly, i can assure you |
| [17:57:02] | |Torg|: | su or sudo |
| [17:57:11] | iamben: | i think xmltv is just oblivious to $TZ |
| [17:57:47] | Yahooadam: | i thought sudo or su switches you to the superuser |
| [17:57:51] | |Torg|: | your system can have a totally different timezone then the user |
| [17:57:58] | |Torg|: | Switch User |
| [17:58:00] | Yahooadam: | say im logged in as, adam, how can i switch to mythtv |
| [17:58:07] | Yahooadam: | ok :) |
| [17:58:10] | |Torg|: | su – muthtv |
| [17:58:34] | |Torg|: | sudo is how you allow NON root users to do that |
| [17:58:39] | Yahooadam: | ah ok :) |
| [17:58:40] | Yahooadam: | ty :) |
| [18:05:02] | jarle: | mythtv says: |
| [18:05:07] | jarle: | mythtv: could not connect to socket |
| [18:05:07] | jarle: | mythtv: No such file or directory |
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| [18:05:35] | iamben: | i can confirm that (at least on MY setup with xmltv grabber) the listings are not being stored in UTC. i have looked up a program which mythtv has stored as time '2007-09–09T07:30:00' in its database, and my mythfrontend listings shows as 7:30am. the true local start time for me is 8:30am, one hour off as i have been experiencing |
| [18:05:41] | jarle: | but it still seems to be working, is this something I should look into? (It's the frontend that gives me this output) |
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| [18:09:33] | laga: | GreyFoxx: you here? have you ever thought about using the standard esc key in myth to kill emulators? |
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| [18:11:40] | jarle: | so, my frontend seems to crash at random, is there a way I can disable all plugins (without just remove them from installation) to help narrow down the problem? |
| [18:12:47] | GreyFoxx: | laga: ACtually yeah I was thinking about it last weekend |
| [18:13:32] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i just about it because i'm running out of buttons on my remote :) |
| [18:13:33] | GreyFoxx: | jarle: move the plugins to another directory and restart the frontend. |
| [18:13:40] | GreyFoxx: | laga: heh |
| [18:14:03] | laga: | GreyFoxx: err, on my gamepad i mean |
| [18:14:16] | cj_: | lol |
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| [18:15:08] | laga: | i can't use zsnes. great. windowed mode has borders and fullscreen mode messes up my display |
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| [18:44:22] | iamben: | wtf my listings are still an hour off after starting from scratch =( |
| [18:44:30] | |Torg|: | its your setup |
| [18:44:57] | |Torg|: | yes i went into the code, the grabber and checked what is comming from both zap2it and schedulesdirect |
| [18:45:17] | |Torg|: | all the data comes in as UTC, both the perl script and c++ cose use the timeset of the system |
| [18:45:31] | |Torg|: | actualy perl uses epoch time and converts it, but the result is the same |
| [18:45:49] | |Torg|: | c++ uses QDateTime, it comes from your system |
| [18:46:03] | |Torg|: | if your schedules are a hour off it is a system misconfiguration, not a myth one |
| [18:46:13] | iamben: | `date` as my mysql user reports Sun Sep 2 13:45:55 CDT 2007 |
| [18:46:15] | iamben: | which is correct |
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| [18:47:27] | iamben: | im not trying to disagree, im just telling what i've checked... there is clearly a miscommunication between my system & mythtv somewhere, just gotta figure out where |
| [18:47:31] | |Torg|: | what does echo 'print time(),"\n";' | perl say? |
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| [18:49:18] | iamben: | 1188758921, which is the same as "date +%s" output |
| [18:52:15] | iamben: | if SD listings come in as UTC, and mythtv uses system tz, why does xmltv want a gmt offset? is it a piece of info it THINKS it needs but gets discarded w/ mythtv? |
| [18:53:15] | |Torg|: | becasue xmltv used epoc time and converts it where as the internal grabber uses system time |
| [18:54:04] | |Torg|: | xmltv has no idea of DST either and need user input to change it |
| [18:54:35] | |Torg|: | because we are under DST now, and because your time is 1 hour off I would suspsect you have a DST issue |
| [18:55:00] | iamben: | yeah thats why i switched from -0600 to 0500, but doing so didnt seem to make a difference |
| [18:56:27] | |Torg|: | what distro do you run? |
| [18:56:42] | iamben: | gentoo |
| [18:56:51] | cesman: | |Torg|: any ideas why tv_find_grabbers takes so long to return data? |
| [18:56:57] | |Torg|: | do you have a /etc/localtime? |
| [18:57:12] | |Torg|: | yes cesman its in perl and has to churn allot of text data |
| [18:57:55] | cesman: | thanks |
| [18:57:58] | |Torg|: | cesman when you say "so long" how long are you talking about? |
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| [18:58:13] | cesman: | 1 minute 4 secs |
| [18:58:29] | cesman: | it is taking too long to return values to MythTV |
| [18:58:41] | iamben: | |Torg|: i do, it's linked to CST6CDT |
| [18:59:02] | |Torg|: | well its locating each grabber and running it, checking to see what it is reporting back as |
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| [19:03:21] | |Torg|: | cesman if all you are worried about is time, take the grabbers you dont use (like for other countries) and move them out of the include directories (or rename them to other then tv_grab*) |
| [19:04:35] | |Torg|: | why its taking over a minute I dont know, mine takes about 10 seconds. It may be your perl is slow or the box has slow disk, or you have way too many grabbers |
| [19:04:37] | ** cesman is worried about support as much grabbers as possible ** | |
| [19:05:18] | |Torg|: | all it does is parse the include directories for all files matching tv_grab* and running --capabilites against it, it then ruturns the output |
| [19:06:45] | |Torg|: | im sorrry it runs --capabilites to see if its a legit script, then runs --description |
| [19:06:57] | |Torg|: | in any case its a factor of locating scripts + running them |
| [19:07:11] | |Torg|: | Id look to see why perl was so slow |
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| [19:08:18] | cesman: | |Torg|: I have all the grabbers |
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| [19:09:39] | iamben: | |Torg|: this is gonna blow you mind, but i think there might be a problem on my end! =) |
| [19:09:48] | |Torg|: | still tho you are about 6x time time it takes me to run it, and I havnt dont anything speical with perl |
| [19:09:59] | |Torg|: | what is it iamben? |
| [19:11:16] | iamben: | well i don't know yet, but i've verified that xmltv's output is responding to changes in the offset in its config, and with -0500 set it IS recording the proper local start/end times for my programs |
| [19:11:31] | iamben: | i'll try wiping video sources & creating a new one again |
| [19:11:54] | |Torg|: | -0500 would be correct for Central time under DST |
| [19:12:01] | iamben: | yeah |
| [19:12:19] | |Torg|: | I would use the builtin grabber tho instead oc xmltv |
| [19:12:56] | iamben: | i wasnt even thinking the first time, i just set -0600 ignoring DST, thats how this whole fiasco got started =) its just taking me ages to get the mythtv's db corrected after making that fix |
| [19:13:24] | |Torg|: | what im getting at is you are using tv_grab scripts instead of the builtin one |
| [19:13:29] | iamben: | my ISP sucks, the builtin grabber will not work... my isp's transparent proxy screws up the auth mechanism for fetching w/ builtin |
| [19:13:39] | |Torg|: | the grab scripts do not adjust for DST you have to do that by hand, the internal one does |
| [19:13:49] | |Torg|: | directpc? |
| [19:13:54] | iamben: | yep! |
| [19:14:05] | |Torg|: | that I cant help you with |
| [19:14:10] | iamben: | if i could specify a proxy for teh internal grabber, i could get it to work |
| [19:15:07] | iamben: | these direcpc modems have a builtin proxy on port 87 which bypasses their crappy compression proxy, i use it for the otherwise broken-for-the-same-reason freedb/cddb services |
| [19:16:23] | cesman: | |Torg|: thanks for the assistance |
| [19:16:36] | |Torg|: | try "http_proxy=http://<proxy>:<port> mythfilldatabase" with the internal grabber |
| [19:16:38] | cesman: | several of the grabbers where returning anything |
| [19:16:43] | |Torg|: | np cesman, I dunno if I helped tho :) |
| [19:16:52] | cesman: | I moved those out of the way and now, it takes 3 secs to run |
| [19:16:58] | |Torg|: | ahh, good job |
| [19:17:03] | |Torg|: | bad grabbers? |
| [19:17:06] | cesman: | the clues you provided helped! |
| [19:18:14] | |Torg|: | np, I cant write perl worth a damn but I can at least read what its doing :) |
| [19:18:47] | cesman: | :) |
| [19:19:16] | cesman: | the tv_grab_be_* and nz_* aren't returning anything |
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| [19:20:09] | Yahooadam: | did you set it up right ? |
| [19:20:25] | Yahooadam: | (run mythtv-setup from console, when you configure alt-tab to see the options) |
| [19:20:29] | iamben: | |Torg|: holy crap it worked, why didnt i think of that? |
| [19:20:45] | |Torg|: | iamben it was just a guess :) |
| [19:20:45] | cesman: | Yahooadam: you talking to me? |
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| [19:21:02] | Henkie: | hi, the latest mythfilldatabase is using commands which my grabber doesnt understand (--offset 2 and greater) |
| [19:21:14] | Henkie: | anyway to fix this? |
| [19:21:16] | iamben: | im not really very familiar w/ proxies at all, didnt know how easy it was to set one on any arbitrary app |
| [19:22:27] | Dagmar: | Transparent squid is pretty thorough |
| [19:22:43] | Dagmar: | ...although somewhat arcane to set up if unfamiliar with iptables. |
| [19:22:50] | |Torg|: | it depends on what libs it uses for the http grab, mostly you can set http_proxy, https_proxy, ftp_proxy and I think socks_proxy for just about anything |
| [19:23:02] | iamben: | i don't know what piece of junk they are using over at direcway/hughesnet, but im pretty sure it isnt squid |
| [19:23:12] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [19:23:14] | |Torg|: | iamben ask it |
| [19:23:22] | |Torg|: | telnet wherever 80 |
| [19:23:31] | Dagmar: | iamben: they proabbly are, actually. |
| [19:23:32] | Yahooadam: | cesman – yes i was :) |
| [19:23:36] | |Torg|: | GET / HTTP/1.1 |
| [19:23:36] | Dagmar: | It's in a lot of appliances |
| [19:23:40] | |Torg|: | Host: lie.com |
| [19:23:48] | |Torg|: | hit returna nd see what happens |
| [19:23:52] | Dagmar: | Sometimes you'll see it in the headers coming back, sometimes you won't |
| [19:24:27] | |Torg|: | if you know for a fact its address and port use that to telnet to |
| [19:25:04] | Dagmar: | The only bummer about squid is that it has a pornographic memory requirement |
| [19:25:28] | |Torg|: | faster porn option? |
| [19:25:31] | iamben: | this proxy is in their equipment, not mine, if i understand correctly |
| [19:25:55] | iamben: | im also behind a NAT, i don't even have my own public IP =( |
| [19:26:34] | iamben: | they really use every dirty trick they can come up with to spend as little money per customer as possibly, while still charging $60/mo and up |
| [19:26:54] | |Torg|: | I take it you have no other alternatives to access |
| [19:27:10] | iamben: | sometimes i go to download a file from rapidshare or similar, and someone is already downloading from my IP! and im the only one home, wtf! |
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| [19:27:36] | Dagmar: | S'a transparent proxy there, for sure |
| [19:27:43] | iamben: | yeah its all i can get, im going to look into this new wireless service in the area, but cable/dsl/etc are out of the question |
| [19:28:25] | |Torg|: | iamben where do you live? where I am we can get point to point 802.11 services |
| [19:28:30] | iamben: | to ID this proxy, where was i supposed to start my telnetting? or is it a bit more complicated if its somewhere "upstream" and i dont know where |
| [19:28:50] | iamben: | im in southwest missouri, i think we may have that wireless service here now |
| [19:28:56] | Dagmar: | iamben: if there's a transparent proxy, it will quietly intercept ALL outgoing connections to port 80 and 443 |
| [19:29:06] | |Torg|: | maybe 8080 as well |
| [19:29:32] | |Torg|: | http://www.onelasvegas.com/wireless/MO.html |
| [19:29:33] | iamben: | i need to stop procrastinating, make sure im not still under contract here, and call up the wireless guys for a site inspection |
| [19:29:48] | |Torg|: | thats one of the comaines that serves my, (not my state) you can check tho |
| [19:29:51] | Dagmar: | iamben: Basically, it catches the query your browser sends, and then (excepting the case of a few VERY high CPU-load implementations) looks at teh Host: header your browser sends |
| [19:30:19] | Dagmar: | So if you telnet to say, www.wired.com, and then show it Host: www.livejournal.com, you'll get livejournal's site in the response, and not wired'd |
| [19:31:25] | iamben: | gotcha |
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| [19:31:29] | tzanger: | hello |
| [19:31:45] | tzanger: | I'm getting a segfault in mythtv-setup when I try to scan existing transports for channel data |
| [19:31:58] | tzanger: | it works, pulls in a bunch of channels, but ultimatley bombs out |
| [19:31:58] | Dagmar: | Speakeasy had one that we didn't even know about until we started seeing stuff coming off our own sites that was twice the rate we knew we had |
| [19:32:23] | Dagmar: | Like "how the hell am I getting 768K down off that machine on a 256K link?!?!" |
| [19:32:28] | iamben: | well this is a good sign, this wireless provider says "If your site is anywhere on this map you have a good chance of getting service!" i am almost exactly in the center of the map |
| [19:32:31] | tzanger: | gdb's telling me that it is in tv_play.cpp line 802 but that's rgith at the start of the function |
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| [19:32:39] | Dagmar: | iamben: clearwire? |
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| [19:32:57] | iamben: | http://www.travisallen.com/signupinfo2.html |
| [19:33:09] | SmileyDan: | can anyone help with a problem setting hue? |
| [19:33:14] | iamben: | i know there are others in the area too, because ive looked into it before and this was not the same company |
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| [19:33:58] | iamben: | and actually that company's pricing sucks, the one i remember was more like $60/mo for 2m/1m |
| [19:34:11] | Dagmar: | You're lucky |
| [19:34:14] | |Torg|: | its $60/month for 1m/1m here |
| [19:34:16] | Dagmar: | You live in a relatively flat area |
| [19:34:30] | Dagmar: | Clearwire is having a fun time trying to deploy in Tennessee |
| [19:34:31] | |Torg|: | err sorry, $70 |
| [19:35:49] | iamben: | its somewhat hilly here, "ozark mountains", but nothing compared to the smokeys in TN if thats where you're talking about |
| [19:36:01] | Dagmar: | *most* of TN is very lumpy |
| [19:36:21] | iamben: | right now i pay $60/mo for 700k/120k, with horrible latency, 200 meg/day limit, and shitty outages |
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| [19:37:09] | iamben: | its BS, but with a $20 dialup ISP, plus a $30 phoneline for it, i would get 24kbit on a great day |
| [19:37:12] | |Torg|: | I was thinking latency must be a bitch at 22,700 miles to go in one direction thats about 500ms from distance alone |
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| [19:37:30] | iamben: | yeah average latency is 800ms or so |
| [19:37:31] | Rongo: | For anyone using a M2NPV-VM mobo... what do you use for he IR reciever? (do any of you use lirc_serial)? |
| [19:37:36] | Dagmar: | There are many, many homes in Nashville, for instance, that are in valleys so deep that basically tehy can't even pick up TV signals broadcast from 15 miles away worth a damn |
| [19:37:43] | iamben: | i dont play much counterstrike as you can imagine |
| [19:38:10] | Dagmar: | Rongo: Generally the IR built into motherboards is only usable for IrDA/FIR data communications. |
| [19:38:14] | Dagmar: | I.e., can not be used for lirc |
| [19:38:32] | |Torg|: | Dagmar in some wasys I ency you, I live where there is not a damn thing to impeed your view of the horizon. hell I pick up atsc signals from 70 miles away |
| [19:39:11] | Rongo: | the M2NPV-VM has no built in IR.. I'm talking about using a remote control... not data transfer |
| [19:39:26] | Dagmar: | I use serial |
| [19:39:37] | Rongo: | with an M2NPV-VM? |
| [19:39:43] | Dagmar: | With anything with a serial port |
| [19:40:22] | Rongo: | Yeah... I would too... thats exactly what I'd like. But on this mobo it does not seem to work. |
| [19:40:28] | Dagmar: | Looks like you're stuck with a USB receiever or buying a PCI serial card on that one |
| [19:40:53] | Dagmar: | ...although (looks at the manual) |
| [19:41:12] | |Torg|: | IrDA/FIR is not compatable with "blinky light" remote protocal |
| [19:41:36] | |Torg|: | remotes are too pimitive for an IrDA port to see |
| [19:41:41] | Dagmar: | I KNEW it |
| [19:41:51] | Dagmar: | Rongo: Dude, you have two serial port headers on the mainboard |
| [19:42:04] | Rongo: | right. which dont ork for lirc_serial. |
| [19:42:10] | Dagmar: | Yes, they will. |
| [19:42:10] | Rongo: | I wish I knew why |
| [19:42:33] | Dagmar: | Provided you've wired them correctly, you probably just need to kick the uart driver out of the way before you invoke lirc_serial |
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| [19:42:46] | Cyberai: | well, looks like my system is FUBAR |
| [19:42:57] | Rongo: | I burned a day yesterday on it... yes I did move the uart out of the way first. |
| [19:43:05] | Cyberai: | can anyone tell me where the mythbackedn database file is? |
| [19:43:16] | Dagmar: | setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none? |
| [19:43:25] | Rongo: | indeed |
| [19:43:27] | |Torg|: | Cyberai its wherever mysql stores it |
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| [19:43:40] | Cyberai: | ah yes, enlightening, thanks |
| [19:43:44] | Dagmar: | I don't see anything int he manual that would indicate they wouldn't work, if I could see the board closer up I could be certain |
| [19:43:44] | Cyberai: | sorry, bit crabby here |
| [19:43:49] | Dagmar: | Maybe you left them disabled in the BIOS or something |
| [19:44:12] | Dagmar: | They wouldn't put COM connectors on the board if they didnt' have a proper serial port behind them |
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| [19:44:51] | |Torg|: | Cyberai its in a database called mythconverg under the control of mysql. Depending on how your mysql is setup will depend on where the files physically reside |
| [19:45:31] | Cyberai: | well, pretty much default config here |
| [19:45:46] | Cyberai: | I just installed from teh fedora atrpms repos |
| [19:45:58] | Rongo: | I have two IDC 10 <-> DB9 Male serial port ribon cables attached to those headers.. and sadly I cant get mode2 to twitch. And lirc_serial incorrectly senses an active_high reciever, when mine is active_low. (Yes I tried to force it to active low and still no output from mode2) |
| [19:46:02] | |Torg|: | well there pretty much inst such a thing as a defualt config, distros vary WIDLY |
| [19:46:04] | Cyberai: | is there a command i can use on mysql to have it list out where it's bd's are/ |
| [19:46:10] | Cyberai: | ? |
| [19:46:20] | Cyberai: | err db's |
| [19:46:32] | |Torg|: | its in my.cnf as a settings of datadir |
| [19:46:39] | Cyberai: | ah, thanks |
| [19:46:48] | |Torg|: | where my.cnf is can differ from platform to platform too, maybe /etc/mysql |
| [19:47:03] | SmileyDan: | i fixed my hue problem with v4l2-ctl --set-ctrl=hue=0 |
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| [19:47:12] | |Torg|: | probbly your files are in /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg, could be /usr/lib, could be /var/local, could be /use/local |
| [19:47:51] | Rongo: | Dagmar: Gonna test the ports with a serial mouse... sigh. |
| [19:48:35] | Cyberai: | ok, found it |
| [19:48:40] | |Torg|: | hmm zap2it still works, anyone know why (weekens, labor day maybe?) |
| [19:49:04] | Dagmar: | Probably a bit of both |
| [19:49:31] | Cyberai: | now, correct me if I'm wrong here (probably am, but be patient) – can I simply back /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg up to a CD and restore it after a complete re-install of the sytem, set perms and have it work so long as I use the same uname/pass/ |
| [19:49:32] | Cyberai: | ? |
| [19:50:16] | Dagmar: | Cyberai: more or less yeah, so long as you don't change what version MySQL you are using |
| [19:50:29] | Cyberai: | aha, the plot thickens |
| [19:50:40] | |Torg|: | Cyberai it would be better if you dump the database using the mysql tools |
| [19:50:49] | |Torg|: | mysqldump and mysqlrestore |
| [19:50:59] | Dagmar: | You will *have* to dump them if you intend to change MySQL |
| [19:51:19] | |Torg|: | copying the file directly can lead to corrupted half closed databsaes |
| [19:51:26] | Cyberai: | I think I'll do both, back it up and dump it. |
| [19:51:31] | |Torg|: | if you MUST copy teh files, you MUST stop mysql first |
| [19:51:42] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I should have mentioned that. |
| [19:51:50] | Dagmar: | Copying them with mysql running will not work like you want it to |
| [19:51:57] | Cyberai: | I had assumed that |
| [19:52:09] | |Torg|: | if you copy them in an open state you should copy them to /dev/null, it will be faster and just about as usefull for restore |
| [19:52:18] | Cyberai: | will stopping mythbacked suffice or do I need to kill mysql in particular as well |
| [19:52:24] | Cyberai: | lol |
| [19:52:32] | |Torg|: | stop mysql |
| [19:52:38] | |Torg|: | in fact if you stop it, check it too |
| [19:52:49] | Cyberai: | roger wilco |
| [19:53:05] | |Torg|: | stil tho id dump it instead |
| [19:53:24] | |Torg|: | its easier to do, easier to restore, can be retored partially, and you can compress them as you make them |
| [19:53:31] | Cyberai: | true true |
| [19:53:40] | Dagmar: | ...and they become mostly human-readable when dumped |
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| [19:54:21] | |Torg|: | yea Dagmar, thats what I meant by partial restores |
| [19:55:15] | |Torg|: | besides in many cases a dump is smaller then the files themselves |
| [19:57:06] | kees-jan: | Hurray |
| [19:57:22] | kees-jan: | I finally managed to get a remote frontend to connect to a master backend |
| [19:57:45] | kees-jan: | If only there was anything worth watching, I could enjoy myself ;-) |
| [19:57:47] | |Torg|: | hmm im sorta wondering of the zap2it guys had an "oh shit" moment and realised they forgot to shut down a server :) |
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| [19:59:48] | iamben: | i used to have web hosting w/ this one company, i tried to cancel but something didnt go through right, the billing stopped but the service didnt |
| [20:00:00] | iamben: | then the company went out of business but service still didnt stop |
| [20:00:07] | Dagmar: | w00t! |
| [20:00:16] | |Torg|: | cool, I want one of those :) |
| [20:00:18] | Dagmar: | We ran a mailing list off a machine like that for a year once |
| [20:00:20] | iamben: | 5 years later i still have service |
| [20:00:42] | Dagmar: | We kept naughty people off their network so they'd never have a reason to look into why the machine was still on |
| [20:01:03] | |Torg|: | iamben while your still under that one ip for all scheme you could go leach MPAA movies and say "no it wasnt me, se everyone uses it :P" |
| [20:01:37] | Dagmar: | firetruuh: Take your spam elsewhere |
| [20:01:51] | |Torg|: | Ive been in companies moving data centers and when they had to account for al the boxes have one or two that "just been on" and "I dunno who it belongs to" |
| [20:02:21] | |Torg|: | Dagmar? |
| [20:02:32] | iamben: | we theorized that after the company shut down, someone left one of the servers running in a closet somewhere |
| [20:02:55] | iamben: | but then we got migrated to a brand new server by someone, don't really know whats going on anymore |
| [20:02:57] | |Torg|: | usually its in a rack with a fw other boxes, with no labels and nobody knows nuthin |
| [20:03:00] | Dagmar: | |Torg|: Wrong channel but if he shows up someone should ban him |
| [20:03:19] | |Torg|: | thanks for the warning Dagmar, I cant ban anyone tho |
| [20:03:30] | Cyberai: | One of my friends used to work for a local university, he actually found a server that had been drywalled into a wall. had been in there for years. No one knew what is was. |
| [20:04:02] | Dagmar: | I've found one recently that had apparently been in control of hackers for over a year |
| [20:04:12] | Dagmar: | They were just using it for IRC and keeping it running |
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| [20:04:31] | Dagmar: | A drive died on it, and it took the actual owners 3 months to notice |
| [20:05:26] | Dagmar: | They were doing a pretty decent job of keeping it upgraded, too. |
| [20:05:59] | |Torg|: | yea the problem with the boxes hackers take over for the warez dumps is they never leave anything good on them :( |
| [20:06:47] | Dagmar: | These guys were just using it for a shell box |
| [20:07:16] | ger_3d: | any norwegian users here? |
| [20:07:35] | iamben: | so whats the deal with not using reiserfs for your storage on myth? |
| [20:08:13] | Dagmar: | iamben: XFS/JFS have the advantage in that they can delete large files quickly |
| [20:08:17] | |Torg|: | if I knew better I would have used jfs instead of xfs, I hate defragging it |
| [20:08:44] | Dagmar: | iamben: When you're regularly deleting >1Gb files, this kinda becomes important |
| [20:09:14] | iamben: | so if i add an empty 80G drive today, used only for myth storage, jfs would be good? |
| [20:09:26] | iamben: | right now im writing to an nfs share which is actually on reiserfs |
| [20:10:20] | |Torg|: | Dagmar what do you run, I run xfs and with two tuners is guarnteed to get max fragmentation al the time |
| [20:10:33] | |Torg|: | im spending a few hours a night to defrag the thing |
| [20:10:46] | Dagmar: | I'm using JFS. |
| [20:10:53] | iamben: | |Torg|: what % full? |
| [20:11:07] | Dagmar: | ...and I'm not even looking at worrying about fragmentation unless it actually starts to matter |
| [20:11:16] | |Torg|: | 86% right now |
| [20:11:40] | Dagmar: | XFS collects lots of extents |
| [20:12:01] | |Torg|: | actual 4262, ideal 866, fragmentation factor 79.68% |
| [20:12:05] | Dagmar: | Wow |
| [20:12:08] | |Torg|: | thats AFTER defraggingit this morning |
| [20:12:15] | |Torg|: | nothing has been written to it |
| [20:12:40] | |Torg|: | its a 1 TB disk tho |
| [20:12:54] | Dagmar: | Maybe you should um, scribble up a user job that copies the new file and then moves it back over the original |
| [20:13:05] | Dagmar: | lo-tech defragmenting |
| [20:13:16] | |Torg|: | yea, that or switch to jfs |
| [20:13:24] | |Torg|: | Im not entirely sure switching wil help tho |
| [20:14:00] | |Torg|: | btw ive seen it much worse |
| [20:15:30] | Cyberai: | I've always used ext3, never had much of a fragging problem. I use three tuners too. |
| [20:16:20] | |Torg|: | if I had a place to put the files to convert the filesystem, I would |
| [20:18:13] | inaety: | hello for some reason mythtv has decided not to work anymore, everytime i try to start it it brings me to that configuration screen as if i was a first time user |
| [20:18:15] | Rongo: | Wow... I cant even get a null-modem test between the two serial ports to work |
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| [20:20:17] | inaety: | there is some sort of problem with null when i start it in a terminal |
| [20:20:51] | Cyberai: | inaety, first thing I would do is have a look at th permissions on your various myth files/folders |
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| [20:23:05] | NightMonkey: | If inatey would have stuck around, I'd have told him to check the mysqld.err log for corruption. |
| [20:23:26] | NightMonkey: | But he didn't. So his suffering continues. |
| [20:23:31] | Rongo: | I'm betting that the M2NPV-VM serial header pinout is nonstandard :-( |
| [20:24:45] | Dagmar: | If you just stuck things on the pins without looking at the motherboard manual, you are a fool. |
| [20:25:51] | Rongo: | Ya. Thanks |
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| [20:26:38] | Rongo: | Its a *serial* port. What was I going to do? actually touch the 4 amp circuit? ... oh wait, there isnt one... its a SERIAL PORT. |
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| [20:29:39] | Aval0n: | anyone here used a logitech harmony 520? |
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| [20:31:40] | hadees: | I just installed 0.20.2 and when i went to change over to SchedulesDirect I found out that mythtv-setup no longer is able to detect and open my HDTV card. However before I messed with mythtv-setup it was working fine |
| [20:33:35] | Rongo: | Yep. DAMN! pinout is wrong :-> |
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| [20:39:37] | xris: | hadees: stop the backend first, and make sure you're running as root (and maybe a reboot, for good measure) |
| [20:40:19] | hadees: | xris, i tried all that |
| [20:40:34] | xris: | weird |
| [20:40:44] | |Torg|: | hadees did you compile 0.20.2? |
| [20:40:44] | hadees: | xris, tell me about it |
| [20:40:48] | xris: | is your database ok? |
| [20:40:58] | hadees: | |Torg|, i used an ebuild |
| [20:41:31] | |Torg|: | dvb cards? |
| [20:42:16] | hadees: | |Torg|, I have one AirStar-HD5000-PCI |
| [20:42:34] | |Torg|: | does mythbackend --version show use_dvb? |
| [20:43:04] | |Torg|: | sorry using_dvb |
| [20:45:57] | hadees: | |Torg|, yeah |
| [20:46:36] | hadees: | xris, my database looks fine |
| [20:47:02] | |Torg|: | is the card in use? what does mythtv-setup so is on dvb 0? |
| [20:47:39] | hadees: | |Torg|, mythtv-setup doesn't even find it, if i type it in the space it says it can't open it but the permissions are alright |
| [20:48:02] | xris: | hadees: and you only upgraded mythtv, not the kernel/etc? |
| [20:48:04] | hadees: | i guess i should go back to square one and see if mplayer can open it |
| [20:48:07] | hadees: | xris, yeah |
| [20:48:23] | hadees: | dmesg also seems fine |
| [20:48:45] | hadees: | for when b2c2-flexcop-pci is loaded |
| [20:49:03] | tcpsyn: | gentlemen |
| [20:49:06] | tcpsyn: | How art thou? |
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| [20:53:45] | NightMonkey: | hadees: Did you back up your DB pre upgrade? |
| [20:54:54] | hadees: | NightMonkey, no, i should have |
| [20:55:04] | NightMonkey: | hadees: Dnag. Sorry. |
| [20:55:11] | NightMonkey: | s/Dnag/Dang/ |
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| [20:56:36] | NightMonkey: | How high is the SD subscription rate? |
| [20:56:54] | GreyFoxx: | $15 for the first 3 months |
| [20:56:59] | GreyFoxx: | with the price going down after that |
| [20:57:11] | |Torg|: | hopefully |
| [20:57:11] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Doh! Sorry, not cost. How many subscribers? |
| [20:57:20] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: I've been subscribed for a while. :) |
| [20:57:34] | GreyFoxx: | ohwe've surpassed the point of breakeven at $5 |
| [20:57:48] | xris: | NightMonkey: we can't list the number of subscribers yet because of the lack of a privacy policy. |
| [20:58:01] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: That's good news. Excellent. |
| [20:58:02] | tzanger: | I'm getting a segfault in mythtv-setup when I try to scan existing transports for channel data |
| [20:58:05] | tzanger: | it works, pulls in a bunch of channels, but ultimatley bombs out |
| [20:58:06] | NightMonkey: | xris: Ah, I understand. |
| [20:58:07] | xris: | new PP will hopefully go up on tuesday, and we'll need to give people about a week to agree to it |
| [20:58:08] | tzanger: | gdb's telling me that it is in tv_play.cpp line 802 but that's rgith at the start of the function |
| [20:58:36] | NightMonkey: | xris: Will we need to log in and go through a click-through form? |
| [20:58:39] | xris: | yup |
| [20:58:42] | |Torg|: | any idea of when SD wil move to servers that have better download speeds? |
| [20:58:49] | xris: | |Torg|: those aren't our servers |
| [20:58:52] | |Torg|: | I know |
| [20:58:58] | |Torg|: | I was told there was a plan to move it tho |
| [20:58:59] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: nothing specific on that yet |
| [20:59:14] | hadees: | Well I was just able to verify my dvb card still works fine, so this seems to be an issue with mythtv-setup or something else |
| [20:59:16] | xris: | download speeds depend on the time of day... but that will depend entirely on user count |
| [20:59:26] | hadees: | mplayer was able to play a HDTV channel just fine |
| [20:59:58] | |Torg|: | Ive never gotten over 5k from it, setting it up was painfull as it took about 2 mins to log in an set up each of my 3 lineups |
| [21:00:18] | NightMonkey: | So, I have mythfilldatabase updates in cron, currently. I'd like to move to the nicer-to-the-servers internal scheduling in Myth. Is it ok to still do a "--refresh-today" cron job, or is that rough on the servers, too? |
| [21:01:08] | GreyFoxx: | NightMonkey: Why would you do that? Just let the internal one do it and you should be fine |
| [21:01:42] | GreyFoxx: | NightMonkey: doing it the way you propose would never use the interal scheduling |
| [21:02:51] | NightMonkey: | GreyFoxx: Ah, ok. Yeah, I see your point. |
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| [21:03:46] | GreyFoxx: | yay, mysql compiled, now to try and beat qt3win with a stick to compile with mysql support |
| [21:04:01] | |Torg|: | windows port? |
| [21:04:09] | GreyFoxx: | goofing around mostly |
| [21:04:37] | GreyFoxx: | but you never know :) |
| [21:05:08] | |Torg|: | please don't, its hard enough helping the users who cant seem to diferitate between hardware setup adn mythtv setup in Linux |
| [21:05:27] | |Torg|: | I can see it now, "I ran mythtv and it crashed my box" |
| [21:05:33] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [21:05:41] | GreyFoxx: | people try that now :) |
| [21:07:09] | |Torg|: | besids if a windows user couldnt click onit with his mouse they would go insane |
| [21:07:36] | hadees: | hmm so doing 'azap -r KEYE1' then 'mplayer -nosound /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0' doesn't work but doing 'mplayer -nosound dvb://KEYE1' works |
| [21:08:06] | |Torg|: | did your dvb card move? |
| [21:08:20] | hadees: | could that possibly explain why mythtv-setup is unable to find my HDTV card? |
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| [21:08:45] | hadees: | |Torg|, no it didn't and i can see from the command line that /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 exists |
| [21:09:13] | |Torg|: | existing and being a real device are two totally differnt things |
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| [21:09:37] | |Torg|: | hell I have /dev/dvb/adapter2 and /dev/dvb/adapter3 on my box, donst mean there real tho |
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| [21:10:36] | hadees: | |Torg|, well i can't find any other place my dvb card would be in dev |
| [21:10:55] | |Torg|: | look under adpater1 |
| [21:11:30] | hadees: | |Torg|, that folder doesn't exist |
| [21:11:34] | hadees: | only adapter0 |
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| [21:39:28] | Aval0n: | hwy guys I looked on lirc's page and can't seem to find what I'm looking for I have a microsoft MCE ovu4003 IR reciever, and I'm trying to see if it's compatible with lirc.. |
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| [21:44:45] | inaety: | when itry to open mythtv i get this error http://pastebin.com/m65f00488 and then i get the configuration screen but it crashes after that |
| [21:46:22] | jblack: | The problem is a bad password |
| [21:46:44] | jblack: | You're either connecting to the wrong sql server, or conecting with a wrong password. |
| [21:47:46] | Aval0n: | inaety do a /exec -o sudo cat /home/mythtv/.mysql.txt |
| [21:47:51] | Aval0n: | woops |
| [21:47:55] | jblack: | uh, don't |
| [21:48:00] | Aval0n: | inaety do a /exec -o sudo cat /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [21:48:29] | Aval0n: | it will spill your myth database pass to the channel |
| [21:48:45] | Aval0n: | <shrug |
| [21:48:51] | Aval0n: | or ust from a term cat it |
| [21:48:54] | Aval0n: | you don't need the exec -o |
| [21:49:01] | jblack: | Yeah, and expose his internal network, and flood about 30 lines into the channel |
| [21:49:12] | Aval0n: | that is true |
| [21:49:17] | Aval0n: | it would flood |
| [21:49:30] | Aval0n: | so like jblack says, you're better off doing it in another term :) |
| [21:49:45] | Aval0n: | i was just trying to have him see it without having to quit his chat session |
| [21:49:54] | Aval0n: | you could leave off the -o and do it |
| [21:50:01] | Aval0n: | would only show it to him that way |
| [21:50:07] | inaety: | Aval0n: sorru |
| [21:50:17] | inaety: | sorry* |
| [21:50:18] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [21:50:21] | Aval0n: | 4 what |
| [21:50:24] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [21:50:28] | inaety: | Aval0n: for not answering...umm as root ? |
| [21:50:38] | Aval0n: | if you are mythtv user |
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| [21:50:51] | Aval0n: | do more ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [21:51:00] | jblack: | inaety: All you need to know is that either you're connecting to the wrong mysql server ,or you've set the wrong password. Don't follow aval0n's advice, at least not this time — especially if that password is actually valid for something else. |
| [21:51:19] | inaety: | jblack: okay i wont |
| [21:51:31] | inaety: | come on Aval0n! trying to get my info :P |
| [21:51:31] | Aval0n: | jblack he can follow my advice after I told him not to do it publicly |
| [21:51:40] | Aval0n: | inaety read up |
| [21:51:40] | jblack: | .mythtv/mysql.txt is the right place to fix your problem though. :) |
| [21:52:01] | Aval0n: | I corrected myself and said to do it in another term |
| [21:52:03] | xris: | inaety: what distro are you using? |
| [21:52:08] | inaety: | xris: kubuntu |
| [21:52:27] | NoobSauce: | I don't know much about video signals... I have a Hauppauge 150 card, which will only get the analog channels from cable. Will the 500 be able to get the digital signals? (Don't really want to plunk down $130 unless I know for sure :) ) |
| [21:52:42] | xris: | it means that you installed mysql and mythtv at the same time. the ubuntu packages generate their own random password for MythTV, but if mysql isn't already installed/running, it can't actually SET that password. |
| [21:52:44] | Aval0n: | noobsauce the 500 is just 2 150's on one card |
| [21:52:58] | xris: | NoobSauce: 500 is two 150s on the same card. |
| [21:53:00] | xris: | no other difference |
| [21:53:13] | NoobSauce: | Aval0n: is there a card which will do digital? |
| [21:53:17] | xris: | look at the linuxtv.org wiki for lists of compatible HD cards |
| [21:53:19] | Aval0n: | plenty |
| [21:53:26] | inaety: | jblack: what should i do? |
| [21:53:41] | Aval0n: | inaety do what I said in another term |
| [21:53:46] | inaety: | jblack: i remeber it gave me one of tohse 23jdma34ks type passwords |
| [21:53:53] | inaety: | Aval0n: /exec does nothing |
| [21:54:00] | Aval0n: | inaety do this |
| [21:54:04] | xris: | inaety: super-simple thing would be to remove mythtv and any config file that the package might have created, make sure mysql is running, and reinstall mythtv |
| [21:54:04] | Aval0n: | in another term |
| [21:54:23] | inaety: | oaky... |
| [21:54:24] | Aval0n: | xris it changed his mysql mythtv user pass though |
| [21:54:25] | inaety: | okay* |
| [21:54:41] | Aval0n: | he's have to purge the user and mythconverg from mysql |
| [21:54:45] | Aval0n: | just removing mythtv won't fix it |
| [21:54:52] | Aval0n: | even if he removes mythtv database package |
| [21:54:58] | xris: | Aval0n: not if he didn't have mysql running already. |
| [21:55:04] | Aval0n: | he just said |
| [21:55:13] | Aval0n: | it generated a random mysql pass for him |
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| [21:55:27] | xris: | Aval0n: the ubuntu packages set the mysql password automatically.. but if mysql isn't running at the time, it can't do that, but still generates a random pw in the mythtv config. |
| [21:55:28] | Aval0n: | which means it found mysql and changed it no? |
| [21:55:38] | Aval0n: | xris ahh ok |
| [21:55:41] | Aval0n: | I run ubuntu also |
| [21:55:47] | Aval0n: | mysql is installed by default |
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| [21:55:53] | waxONwaxOFF: | hi |
| [21:55:55] | xris: | it's a SERIOUSLY broken feature in the ubuntu packages. |
| [21:56:01] | waxONwaxOFF: | i want to create a full mm dvr also music server on linux |
| [21:56:03] | Aval0n: | heheh |
| [21:56:05] | xris: | Aval0n: dunno. stuff like this happens to ubuntu users all the time |
| [21:56:10] | Aval0n: | inaety you wanna fix this or not? |
| [21:56:17] | Aval0n: | open a term |
| [21:56:24] | Aval0n: | do this |
| [21:56:27] | xris: | waxONwaxOFF: you want to create one, or just install mythtv? |
| [21:56:29] | Aval0n: | mysql -u root |
| [21:56:32] | Aval0n: | tell me what you get |
| [21:56:34] | inaety: | Aval0n: i was waiting for you :P |
| [21:56:48] | waxONwaxOFF: | xris, create one I think I have almost all it takes i'm not sure if mythtv works for it or if its what i need |
| [21:57:03] | inaety: | Aval0n: "welcome to the mysql..." |
| [21:57:04] | xris: | waxONwaxOFF: (by "create" I implied "write from scratch") |
| [21:57:17] | xris: | waxONwaxOFF: your statement describes MythTV... so it should be all that you need. |
| [21:57:18] | Aval0n: | you have a mysql prompt now? |
| [21:57:25] | inaety: | Aval0n: yeah |
| [21:57:32] | Aval0n: | ok do this now |
| [21:57:46] | Aval0n: | SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('mythtv'); |
| [21:57:49] | Aval0n: | tell me what it says |
| [21:58:07] | Aval0n: | query ok? |
| [21:58:09] | inaety: | yep |
| [21:58:18] | Aval0n: | ok now |
| [21:58:26] | Aval0n: | FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [21:58:32] | Aval0n: | then quit |
| [21:58:38] | Aval0n: | then mythtv-setup |
| [21:58:44] | Aval0n: | and set user and pass to mythtv |
| [21:58:48] | Aval0n: | should fix you right up |
| [21:59:53] | waxONwaxOFF: | xris, well I got a hauppauge Wintv-PVR-250 card |
| [21:59:55] | Aval0n: | working? |
| [21:59:59] | inaety: | yeah |
| [22:00:00] | inaety: | thank you |
| [22:00:01] | inaety: | a lot |
| [22:00:05] | Aval0n: | good |
| [22:00:09] | Aval0n: | glad to heko |
| [22:00:13] | Aval0n: | help |
| [22:00:24] | xris: | waxONwaxOFF: that's a good start |
| [22:00:37] | waxONwaxOFF: | and I have a receiver and a pc I can use with lots of space |
| [22:00:48] | waxONwaxOFF: | is this card native to mythtv ? |
| [22:00:56] | waxONwaxOFF: | cause it has an IR |
| [22:00:57] | inaety: | and here i was gonna just reinstall :P |
| [22:00:58] | Aval0n: | anyone gotten the kworl ir reciever workin? |
| [22:01:01] | waxONwaxOFF: | and I want to be able to use it |
| [22:01:09] | Aval0n: | inaety: :) |
| [22:01:10] | xris: | mythtv doesn't really care what kind of card you have.. as long as it works in linux, it should work in mythtv (which that card does) |
| [22:01:17] | waxONwaxOFF: | yeah yeah |
| [22:01:18] | waxONwaxOFF: | i know that |
| [22:01:31] | waxONwaxOFF: | i just want it to work with the remote control property with the prograrm |
| [22:01:37] | inaety: | Aval0n: ah another error |
| [22:01:42] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [22:01:56] | inaety: | Aval0n: this after i quit out of the configuration dialogue and just typed "mythtv".. |
| [22:02:12] | xris: | waxONwaxOFF: that's up to you being able to configure lirc... but the pvr-250 is an old card, and I haven't heard of any problems with it. |
| [22:02:15] | Aval0n: | eh? |
| [22:02:18] | inaety: | http://pastebin.com/m7f01424b |
| [22:02:35] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [22:02:37] | waxONwaxOFF: | xris, not 250 i have 350 sorry it was error |
| [22:02:42] | inaety: | idk how to start the server |
| [22:02:48] | Aval0n: | you have to be the user running X |
| [22:02:59] | Aval0n: | I asume you aren't logged in as mythtv |
| [22:03:04] | xris: | waxONwaxOFF: same card.. 350 just has tv-out (which I'd recommend against using because it's a pain, and a cheap nvidia card will work much better) |
| [22:03:25] | waxONwaxOFF: | xris, i know that I can do that I want to know if mythv gives me flexibilities for tweaking the IR from the program |
| [22:03:28] | RyeBrye: | tjcarter – did you get the thing to compile on OSX? |
| [22:03:35] | Aval0n: | inaety: if the backend is running you do mythfrontend |
| [22:03:41] | xris: | waxONwaxOFF: mythtv doesn't control the IR stuff. lirc does. |
| [22:03:46] | xris: | lirc just sends keycodes to mythtv. |
| [22:04:02] | RyeBrye: | tjcarter – you should take the osx-packager from the svn trunk and copy it and then modify it slightly. It checks out the SVN and can pass in a specific revision... so just modify the script to check out the fixes branc |
| [22:04:03] | RyeBrye: | h |
| [22:04:23] | inaety: | oh Aval0n your so smart |
| [22:04:30] | Aval0n: | lol please |
| [22:04:45] | Aval0n: | just ask dagmar or juski how smart I am |
| [22:04:50] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [22:04:58] | inaety: | haha |
| [22:05:01] | waxONwaxOFF: | xris, does mythv allow me to remotely set a show to record via the interne? |
| [22:05:20] | xris: | waxONwaxOFF: look at the mythweb screenshots for info. |
| [22:05:25] | waxONwaxOFF: | and a guide service to keep my TV listings up to date? |
| [22:05:51] | xris: | read the topic |
| [22:05:58] | xris: | or the front page of mythtv.org |
| [22:06:01] | xris: | or the mythtv documentation |
| [22:06:03] | Aval0n: | sd = ownage |
| [22:06:15] | inaety: | oh Aval0n i another annoying thing if you want to help me again, it's non fatal though |
| [22:06:25] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [22:06:31] | xris: | Aval0n: now if only I could finish coding all of the extra little bits that SD needs.... |
| [22:06:46] | inaety: | Aval0n: i have mythmusic installed right |
| [22:06:53] | xris: | too many users entering fake email addresses, or setting typos. |
| [22:07:04] | inaety: | Aval0n: how can i browse my music by artists and albums |
| [22:07:30] | Aval0n: | inaety: you have reached the limits of my experience, thanks for playing :) |
| [22:07:38] | jams: | xris- on another topic any plans to provide an SD api to signup for trial runs? |
| [22:08:09] | xris: | jams: not sure what you mean? |
| [22:08:19] | inaety: | Aval0n: i agree with Dagmar :PP |
| [22:08:21] | xris: | oh, for integrating directly into mythtv? |
| [22:08:31] | jams: | yes |
| [22:08:35] | xris: | jams: Daniel and I talked about it... and for lineup management. |
| [22:08:46] | jams: | sorry..that was poorly worded. |
| [22:08:54] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [22:09:36] | inaety: | does anyone here use mythmusic? |
| [22:10:31] | jams: | cool. i figured the api that TMS provides would be used for lineup managment. But i suppose that depends on how long the TMS servers will be used. |
| [22:11:49] | Aval0n: | can anyone opint me to some docs for getting a kworld 115 ir receiver wqorking? |
| [22:11:58] | xris: | jams: problem with that is that we'd like to eventually switch away from TMS for hosting that data. |
| [22:12:15] | jams: | makes sense |
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| [22:16:12] | Aval0n: | hmm |
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| [22:21:23] | d3ity: | hey guys, having trouble getting audio through mythtv |
| [22:22:22] | iamben: | d3ity: the default is oss, set your device to alsa:default and mixer to default if you want alsa |
| [22:22:31] | d3ity: | iamben, thank you |
| [22:23:32] | d3ity: | do I need to restart the frontend to make these changes take effect? |
| [22:23:52] | iamben: | dont know |
| [22:24:21] | sphery: | d3ity: yes |
| [22:24:27] | d3ity: | hrm, doesn't seem to like alsa:default even with restart |
| [22:24:37] | sphery: | d3ity: ALSA:default |
| [22:24:43] | sphery: | d3ity: and mixer should be default |
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| [22:25:01] | sphery: | (restart is probably not required, but is a very useful test) |
| [22:25:14] | iamben: | speaking of defaults.. this is 2007, when is alsa going to be default over oss? |
| [22:25:52] | d3ity: | awesome. thank you |
| [22:26:22] | d3ity: | now... zap2it is dead correct? |
| [22:26:27] | d3ity: | how much is schedules direct? |
| [22:26:37] | jams: | oss is better then alsa! |
| [22:26:40] | sphery: | $15 for 3 months, probably going to drop to $20/year |
| [22:26:55] | sphery: | and the more that sign up, the more likely it will drop :) |
| [22:26:55] | d3ity: | so is it best to hold off for that 20 a year? is that going to happen? |
| [22:27:18] | sphery: | I would guess--since many just paid $15/3 months, that it won't drop to $20/year for, er, 3 months |
| [22:27:45] | iamben: | d3ity: 7 day trial is nice, no CC or billing needed to start the trial |
| [22:28:10] | sphery: | If it does drop before the 3 months is out, I have a feeling the SD guys will allow those who have signed up to pay $5 extra to extend the 3 months to 1 year |
| [22:28:13] | iamben: | then once that runs out you can activate for $15 if you still want it |
| [22:28:15] | sphery: | (just a guess, though) |
| [22:29:59] | directhex: | jams, you think? |
| [22:30:28] | iamben: | i think not |
| [22:30:50] | xris: | unofficially, the SD board would like to be able to extend memberships when we drop the price... but it depends on so many factors (cost of legal for 501(c)(3) being a big one) so we have no idea if/how much that'd actually be |
| [22:31:10] | sphery: | says a user who has never written code using the OSS API and other code using the ALSA API |
| [22:31:51] | iamben: | but isnt that irrelevant here? alsa is already implemented in myth |
| [22:32:13] | sphery: | (The real OSS is probably better than ALSA by a long shot. The OSS API that the kernel "stopped" with (i.e. froze the API) is not great.) |
| [22:32:37] | jams: | sphery- correct thats exactly what i was referring to |
| [22:32:45] | sphery: | But, ALSA is powerful. If only we could convince people to figure out how it works and set up their systems correctly... |
| [22:32:46] | iamben: | if both are implemented, users want alsa |
| [22:33:29] | sphery: | Right because users always want the newest (regardless of whether they know of any benefits or problems with the newest) |
| [22:33:47] | iamben: | modern distros use alsa |
| [22:33:58] | iamben: | all of their apps use alsa |
| [22:34:28] | sphery: | But, in reality, few people use OSS. Most use ALSA. Those who specify OSS device names are using ALSA's OSS emulation (which is, in fact, better than the old version of OSS that ALSA attempts to emulate), so really, what's the difference? |
| [22:35:05] | sphery: | It's just a matter of what function is called to access the device, so how does that affect the user? |
| [22:35:18] | sphery: | And, until Myth supports more than 2-channel analog output, it doesn't matter. |
| [22:35:29] | sphery: | but that's just my opinion |
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| [22:36:23] | iamben: | the reason i complain is because i've disabled oss and oss emulation altogether on my machine, i assume that any app that is still maintained and is worth using has moved to alsa by now |
| [22:36:39] | iamben: | i know most users will have no problem |
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| [22:36:55] | sphery: | Yeah. Myth isn't really maintained or worth using. |
| [22:36:57] | sphery: | :) |
| [22:37:35] | iamben: | thats what im saying, they HAVE put in the work to move to alsa, so why are we still defaulting to oss like we don't have any choice? |
| [22:38:37] | sphery: | Because ALSA configuration requires users to understand ALSA, which is like asking a person to learn to design their own internal combustion engine to drive a car. :) |
| [22:38:41] | iamben: | at the very least, it'd be nice to have a dropdown box to toggle between alsa & oss, so the user doesnt need to know the exact syntax for device & mixer he'll need to use alsa |
| [22:39:15] | sphery: | The problem is that what follows ALSA: is completely unknown |
| [22:39:33] | iamben: | ALSA:default should be available on most, shouldnt it? |
| [22:39:42] | sphery: | For some, default will work. For others, it's something like, "nvidia" or "soundstorm" or "mycoolsound |
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| [22:40:06] | Agrajag-: | how do all other apps that produce sound figure it out then? |
| [22:40:23] | sphery: | ALSA:default is always available, but whether it's usable by an app like Myth is completely dependent on how the user configured the system. |
| [22:41:15] | sphery: | Although it could be put in the drop down, using a device which is almost guaranteed to work and letting the user read up/talk on IRC/whatever to learn more has worked well so far. |
| [22:41:29] | iamben: | right |
| [22:42:09] | sphery: | Agrajag-: many are using other sound systems (like esd for GNOME or arts for KDE), so they completely circumvent the whole thing. |
| [22:42:20] | jblack: | Does alsa mux? |
| [22:42:38] | iamben: | jblack: it mixes, yes |
| [22:43:00] | jblack: | All this time I thought it was esd/arts doing all the work |
| [22:43:22] | jams: | jblack- that was the orignal intent of esd and arts |
| [22:43:27] | iamben: | alsa now enables the dmix plugin for software mixing on cards that do not have hw mixing |
| [22:43:31] | Aval0n: | anyone know if it's possible to get the ir port on a kworld 115 working with lirc? |
| [22:43:55] | ** juski looks around to see if he's accidentally landed in #lirc again ** | |
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| [22:44:13] | Aval0n: | oh yeh juski |
| [22:44:17] | Aval0n: | I forget to tell you.. |
| [22:44:23] | Aval0n: | you're never going to belive this.. |
| [22:44:25] | Aval0n: | omg... |
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| [22:44:57] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [22:45:00] | iamben: | i believe that |
| [22:45:05] | juski: | my sarcasm going down as well as ever I see |
| [22:45:24] | Aval0n: | hehe |
| [22:47:29] | Daviey: | juski: you always go down well |
| [22:47:39] | ** juski reels back in horror. accidentally clicked on a High School Musical 2 news item link ** | |
| [22:49:40] | juski: | maybe it's not so bad kids are being brainwashed by that crud. i mean it can't be any worse than gangsta rap & smoking crack.. or can it? ;) |
| [22:50:46] | juski: | and I def. shouldn't have taken that theme I left for dead for a spin. I'm now annoyed cos I changed the background, the new background loads and then the old one is displayed on top despite them both being the same file. neat |
| [22:52:15] | fysa: | NX is so freaking cool. |
| [22:52:28] | juski: | aye. it whoops VNC's ass |
| [22:52:37] | fysa: | http://www.danka.de/printpro/NX-konqi-in-WinXP-2.png |
| [22:52:48] | juski: | it's not so hot at being able to restore sessions though |
| [22:52:51] | fysa: | starting to use Firefox via NX on my closet server.. |
| [22:53:13] | fysa: | well, launching 'console' (xterm) and launching everything I need — or some kind of launch dock. |
| [22:53:24] | Daviey: | NX would be so much better, if you could share a desktop currently in use on the machine |
| [22:53:26] | fysa: | then I can disconnect from that session and reconnect and voila, all my windows re-open. |
| [22:53:33] | fysa: | you can now, as of v3. |
| [22:53:38] | fysa: | don't bother with FreeNX. |
| [22:53:53] | juski: | what? despite it being free you mean |
| [22:53:58] | Daviey: | fysa: Nice.. might consider reusing it |
| [22:54:11] | fysa: | nomachine's v3 is 'free forever' (as in beer) and has many more features |
| [22:54:16] | Syphn1: | anyone have any thoughts on this ... fresh install of linux + mythtv 0.20.2 and i'm having a few auop issues ... mythvideo playing a xvid, i only hear the sounds, explosions etc. no speah ... |
| [22:54:18] | juski: | oh |
| [22:54:23] | fysa: | much easier to install |
| [22:54:26] | Syphn1: | audio |
| [22:54:28] | fysa: | just grab the deb/RPM from their site and run it and you're set. |
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| [22:54:34] | juski: | neato |
| [22:54:39] | fysa: | that will probably take care of all of your session issues too. |
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| [22:55:03] | Daviey: | fysa: is it opensrc? |
| [22:55:24] | fysa: | so you can run as many X11 apps as you want, and have them all appear as native apps — with no 'remote desktop' around them. each app shows up individually in the native taskbar. |
| [22:55:26] | juski: | doesn't have to be if it's free as in beer |
| [22:55:36] | fysa: | load up Kate or xterm or konqueuer fish://somewhere |
| [22:55:46] | fysa: | and it pops up, looks and acts native. |
| [22:56:01] | Daviey: | juski: err, yes it does if i want freedom :D |
| [22:56:08] | fysa: | no, not open source. |
| [22:56:11] | juski: | you damn freedom monkeys |
| [22:56:21] | fysa: | http://www.nomachine.com/download.php |
| [22:56:25] | juski: | you'll all be the death of linux ya hear |
| [22:56:25] | floppyears: | what functions does a frontend do? just output the video ? |
| [22:56:36] | juski: | floppyears: a frontend is the player & the GUI |
| [22:56:56] | Daviey: | fysa: Try $ ssh -X yourserver ; then start firefox |
| [22:56:59] | Daviey: | neato! |
| [22:57:03] | floppyears: | thanks juski |
| [22:57:18] | Aval0n: | anyone in here gotten a kworld card working with lirc? |
| [22:57:32] | juski: | Aval0n: does this look like a lirc support channel? |
| [22:57:41] | Aval0n: | anyone in here gotten a kworld card working with mythtv? |
| [22:57:46] | fysa: | yes, daviey, but this lets you have Windows or OS X as the client without needing X there at all. |
| [22:57:52] | Stinky: | anyone using a 102g with myth? was looking for live cd to work with, moved on to ubuntu. started off with a starbox, firmware issues convinced me to try the pci. getting mythtv setup seems easy enough, getting the os to see the card seems more my issue |
| [22:57:59] | fysa: | it's as lightweight as VNC. |
| [22:58:00] | juski: | lirc need a damn good kick up the arse. why can't they do their own support? |
| [22:58:03] | Daviey: | fysa: putty :) |
| [22:58:19] | Daviey: | juski: they must be overworked... lirc sux |
| [22:58:22] | floppyears: | can the following machine be a frontend: amd athlon 1800+ xp, 1gb ram, 360GB hd, nvidia fx 5200 ? |
| [22:58:24] | fysa: | I don't think you understand. :) |
| [22:58:32] | juski: | floppyears: for SDTV yes |
| [22:58:48] | floppyears: | cool |
| [22:59:07] | juski: | I said it *can* be I didn't say i think you have the brains to do it :-P |
| [22:59:10] | Aval0n: | if an xbox can that can |
| [22:59:18] | floppyears: | haha |
| [22:59:23] | floppyears: | that's why I love you juski ! |
| [22:59:23] | juski: | an xbox makes about the crappest frontend you could ever have |
| [22:59:34] | juski: | it works – just (tm) |
| [22:59:38] | Aval0n: | not according to greyfoxx |
| [22:59:49] | juski: | compared to a real frontend it's very slow |
| [22:59:59] | Aval0n: | <shrug> |
| [23:00:04] | juski: | I mean watching paint dry slow |
| [23:00:29] | juski: | not unusable but you might very well be disappointed |
| [23:01:51] | juski: | I'm not saying it out of spite – the thing's only got 32MB of usable ram ffs – it's understandably not the fastest thing on the block. there are much faster frontends with the same cpu if you have enough ram |
| [23:03:39] | GreyFoxx: | Aval0n: huh ? |
| [23:03:45] | GreyFoxx: | I never said it was a good choice |
| [23:03:48] | GreyFoxx: | just that people use it :) |
| [23:04:06] | juski: | the MSNTV2 is a good choice if you've got the nuts to do the hacking |
| [23:04:13] | juski: | so's the S100 |
| [23:04:23] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah I love my 4 msntv2's |
| [23:04:28] | GreyFoxx: | 128meg of ram is nice |
| [23:04:55] | GreyFoxx: | the xbox's biggest problem is lack of ram and how loud it's fans are |
| [23:04:59] | juski: | though if mythtv is for enthusiasts, I think you'd need to be some kind of nut to run it on such esoteric kit (me included) |
| [23:05:26] | juski: | don't forget the xbox's fugliness too ;) |
| [23:05:53] | juski: | wonder how loud an xbox360 is.. |
| [23:06:19] | GreyFoxx: | juski: not too loud I don't find |
| [23:07:03] | ** jblack suspects the people that run his local chinese restaurant aren't chinese ** | |
| [23:07:04] | juski: | I left my xbox on upstairs today. I could hear it in the kitchen |
| [23:07:15] | juski: | down a flight of stairs, a good distance away |
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| [23:08:00] | juski: | jblack: the people who run our local 'Traditional English Fish & Chip shop' aren't English |
| [23:08:10] | juski: | they make cracking fish n chips though :P |
| [23:08:22] | juski: | better than the English lot down the road |
| [23:09:26] | jblack: | Oh sure. I couldn't care less if they were friggin' bulgarians. I just get this feeling sometimes that they sit in back rooms and say "Hah! We vietnamese sell americans the chinese and dey don't know it. HA HA" |
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| [23:09:54] | juski: | I wouldn't even care what I was eating so long as it tasted nice & didn't make me ill |
| [23:10:45] | jblack: | The closest thing we have out here to fish n chips is Long John Silvers. |
| [23:11:01] | jblack: | Which does to fish n chips what McDonald's does to a burger |
| [23:11:10] | juski: | anyway Aval0n looks to me like lirc should just work |
| [23:11:26] | juski: | ahh, like Harry Ramsden does in the UK ;) |
| [23:11:45] | iamben: | i love LJS |
| [23:12:37] | jblack: | Sure. I get an urge every once in a while to eat their trademarked 'basket of fat' that is their fish+chicken combo. |
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| [23:13:15] | juski: | I was planning to go out on friday night, but mrs J had the bright idea of getting McDonalds in for tea. Oh dear. |
| [23:13:37] | iamben: | we used to split LJS family meals 2 ways when i was in high school |
| [23:13:53] | juski: | first one since giving up smoking. I won't be having one ever again |
| [23:13:59] | jblack: | juski: seriously? |
| [23:14:11] | juski: | absolutely |
| [23:14:12] | iamben: | or my friend's favorite way to order his own meal "i'll take the '2 can dine for $5.99', and one drink." |
| [23:14:41] | juski: | I thought junk food was supposed to taste good & be bad for you, not taste bad & be bad for you |
| [23:15:08] | jblack: | That big'n'tastyy you guys have out there is pretty rancid. |
| [23:15:21] | juski: | that who? |
| [23:15:46] | jblack: | Brits. |
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| [23:16:04] | juski: | never heard of this 'big 'n' tasty' |
| [23:16:06] | jblack: | The UK BignTasty isn't the same as the American one. |
| [23:16:07] | floppyears: | Greyfox: can the following machine be used as a SDTV frontend: amd athlon 1800+ xp, 1gb ram, 360GB hd, nvidia fx 5200 ? |
| [23:16:17] | juski: | floppyears: YES |
| [23:16:28] | juski: | but again I'm not saying you're up to the job :P |
| [23:16:32] | GreyFoxx: | floppyears: easily |
| [23:16:38] | floppyears: | will it be laggy ? |
| [23:16:45] | juski: | jees how many 2nd opinions do you want?! |
| [23:16:49] | iamben: | anyone tried mythweb on gentoo? im using the latest (masked) ebuild and it just installs a bunch of C source files & xml files into my www root, is that right? |
| [23:16:49] | GreyFoxx: | floppyears: 4 of my frontends are celeron 733's with 128 megs of ram |
| [23:16:53] | floppyears: | wow |
| [23:16:55] | juski: | floppyears: it'll fly |
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| [23:17:00] | floppyears: | thanks guys |
| [23:17:05] | jblack: | floppyears: It'll work just fine if that machine is both the frontend and backend. |
| [23:17:12] | juski: | floppyears: I dunno if you were here when I told folks but |
| [23:17:22] | juski: | at LRL this year I had my crappy 800Mhz Athlon backend |
| [23:17:26] | jblack: | No promises if you seperate the two over a 802.11b network. |
| [23:17:38] | juski: | it was playing stuff back and serving 2 other frontends with plenty cpu to spare |
| [23:17:52] | juski: | and it only has 512MB RAM |
| [23:18:42] | fysa: | OK, made a quick screenshot of NX in action — http://picasaweb.google.com/jason.fisher/NX/p . . . 966840077730 |
| [23:18:48] | floppyears: | one of my tv's doesn't have s-video in, it only has composite in (yellow, white, & red) |
| [23:18:49] | jblack: | Yeah. My backend machine has 512 megs of ram, transcodes everything, and still manages to do everything else. My frontends have ranged from 256 megs of ram to 2 gigs |
| [23:19:02] | floppyears: | will a svideo – composite video work ? |
| [23:19:12] | juski: | floppyears: so? most VGA cards with TV out come with adapters to convert svid to compo |
| [23:19:20] | jblack: | floppy: You can find adapters at the store. Alternatively, you could just use the computer monitor itself. |
| [23:19:27] | fysa: | everything you see, apart from the puTTY session in the top right, is actually running on the Ubuntu box in the closet.. now if I reboot this machine back into OS X, I should be able to re-open all of those apps exactly the same as they are. |
| [23:19:33] | floppyears: | thanks |
| [23:19:41] | juski: | an svideo to composite adapter can be had for like $2 |
| [23:20:01] | floppyears: | oh, but I was wondering if quality would degrade too much or something like that |
| [23:20:13] | jblack: | well, composite is composite is composite. |
| [23:20:30] | juski: | composite is one notch better than RF |
| [23:20:36] | jblack: | Are you recording hdtv or ntsc/pal ? |
| [23:20:37] | juski: | and then only slightly |
| [23:20:39] | directhex: | meaning "looks like ass. but could be worse, you could be using an RF modulator" |
| [23:21:09] | iamben: | i was looking for an svideo->composite adapter myself, then i realized that i had a CRT monitor in the basement that was just as big as the TV i was trying to hook up to =( |
| [23:21:39] | Stinky: | not hard to pinout actually |
| [23:22:29] | floppyears: | thanks again juski |
| [23:23:27] | juski: | np |
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| [23:40:34] | jblack: | Huh. The guys that deliver chinese in my town are chines |
| [23:41:13] | directhex: | isn't that usually the case? |
| [23:42:04] | jblack: | no idea |
| [23:42:54] | directhex: | i might be surprised if an italian brought me takeaway pizza |
| [23:43:03] | directhex: | partly because it means someone actually gave an italian a driving license |
| [23:43:22] | directhex: | but certainly in .uk, more often than not, "ethnic" foods match the ethnicity of the staff |
| [23:43:31] | directhex: | IME |
| [23:43:59] | jblack: | You're assuming you can tell ethnicitys apart. Are you sure you can tell Japanese from Chinese, Korean from Vietnamese? |
| [23:44:18] | directhex: | reasonably well |
| [23:44:24] | juski: | maybe so but they rarely match the authenticity of the real stuff ;) |
| [23:44:28] | directhex: | korean from japanese can be tricky though |
| [23:44:32] | directhex: | juski, well, duh ;) |
| [23:44:48] | directhex: | juski, but migrants have matched their cuisine to local palates for an eternity |
| [23:44:58] | juski: | sadly |
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| [23:45:16] | directhex: | food evolves |
| [23:45:29] | directhex: | i'd prefer a tikka masala to a butter chicken |
| [23:45:37] | juski: | true |
| [23:45:39] | andy753423: | If anyone know a better place to ask this let me know: |
| [23:45:51] | directhex: | #lirc is generally the answer to that question |
| [23:46:02] | andy753423: | Is there any software to use linux as a universal remote? |
| [23:46:08] | |Torg|: | tikka misala is UK food, not indian |
| [23:46:16] | directhex: | i RULE! |
| [23:46:17] | janneg: | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/compare?metric= . . . ject_2=Elisa |
| [23:46:27] | tank-man: | andy753423, yea, lirc |
| [23:46:42] | directhex: | |Torg|, really? almost as if i suggested foods evolve to suit local tastes, then cited tikka masala |
| [23:46:50] | pat_: | anybody have any ideas what could be causing the following? |
| [23:46:50] | pat_: | 2007-09–03 09:46:14.904 AFD Error: Unknown decoding error |
| [23:46:50] | pat_: | [mpeg2video @ 0xb72021c8]get_buffer() failed (stride changed) |
| [23:46:59] | juski: | janneg: hahah.. die Elisa! |
| [23:47:01] | pat_: | repeated over and over in mythbackend.log |
| [23:47:04] | |Torg|: | yes, most of what you know as Indian food is changed to western tasts in teh UK |
| [23:47:24] | |Torg|: | most of what you know as Chinnese food (well at least in the US) comes from immagants to San Francisco |
| [23:47:28] | andy753423: | tank-man: ok, i'm thinking the other way around though. (Use my laptop as a remote to communicate with my TV) |
| [23:47:29] | pat_: | (and then mythtranscode uses up lots of memory...) |
| [23:47:38] | kash: | i need domain name ideas =x |
| [23:47:38] | |Torg|: | Korean food, mostly the stuff you get wher I live is much the same way |
| [23:47:43] | jams: | that spike for elisa is interesting |
| [23:47:46] | janneg: | I didn't know Elisa started already 2006 |
| [23:47:49] | tank-man: | andy753423, you need a ir blaster, you can make or buy it |
| [23:48:01] | |Torg|: | and if you think spahgetti is italtion, esp with tomaoe sauce on it, think again |
| [23:48:05] | directhex: | |Torg|, almost as if foods evolve to suit local tastes |
| [23:48:08] | |Torg|: | that caome from souther china |
| [23:48:19] | pat_: | 0.20-fixes@14376 |
| [23:48:25] | directhex: | |Torg|, but as i said, it's not neccessarily a bad thing. see also: tikka masala versus butter chicken |
| [23:48:29] | juski: | janneg: I saw a brief demo of elisa at LRL. it was v. crashy. not what I'd expect for something that's been around so long |
| [23:48:30] | |Torg|: | some of the most shoking things I ate when I was living in Korea is what they called American food |
| [23:48:54] | |Torg|: | its sorta a joke, nobody eats truely ethlic foods anymore |
| [23:48:59] | tank-man: | american food is big mac super sized! |
| [23:49:27] | jams: | janneg- i would have said mid 2005, they have been around for a while. they just didn't get any attention until shuttleworth said something about it. |
| [23:49:31] | juski: | I was disappointed when i visited FL a few years back. no evidence of super-sized portions anywhere |
| [23:49:44] | directhex: | juski, doube quarter pounders? |
| [23:49:46] | janneg: | jams: the spikes in http://www.ohloh.net/projects/compare?metric= . . . ject_2=Elisa are also interesting |
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| [23:50:27] | |Torg|: | oh and for the Americans go get a bacon cheesebuger in a pub in London; and for you Bits try getting a pot pie here (its what you refer to as a Steak and Ale pie) |
| [23:50:35] | |Torg|: | there not even close to what the origional is |
| [23:50:54] | juski: | directhex: I was eating in proper restaurants though |
| [23:50:59] | Stinky: | depends what part of fl you go to, if its full of old people, your gonna get small portions |
| [23:51:13] | jams: | janneg- just from looking at those graphs, it's not looking good for freevo |
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| [23:51:26] | directhex: | juski, where in FL were you though? remember that purely tourist areas will serve food for tourists |
| [23:51:32] | |Torg|: | Althought eh most shokking thing I ate in London was pizza, it was actualy better then at home |
| [23:51:37] | juski: | directhex: damned if I can remember |
| [23:51:53] | directhex: | and FL's far from a fat state |
| [23:52:05] | juski: | yeah I know – I saw the beach :P |
| [23:52:27] | Stinky: | living in florida I can tell you its all about where you are, not what you order |
| [23:52:37] | juski: | I passed the same spot twice in half an hour, got pulled for cruising ffs |
| [23:52:39] | directhex: | mississippi, now that's a land of lard-butts |
| [23:53:15] | directhex: | juski, the US is a police state. i still need to sort out some paperwork with some back-office bureau, so as not to be barred for life |
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| [23:53:45] | Stinky: | lol |
| [23:53:57] | Stinky: | probly protecting your while they at it |
| [23:54:09] | directhex: | i feel a lot less harassed in cuba, i can say that much about .us |
| [23:54:16] | juski: | pity about Freevo – the times I've talked to one of their developers it sounded like they had fun stuff coming along |
| [23:54:32] | Stinky: | lololol |
| [23:54:35] | jblack: | what happened with freevo? |
| [23:54:43] | juski: | nothing yet |
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| [23:54:50] | Stinky: | cuba ha |
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| [23:55:10] | janneg: | jams: just looking at the graphs wouldn't fair since freevo and elisa differ too much from mythtv |
| [23:55:11] | Stinky: | tell your buddys to quit comming to fl could ya |
| [23:55:19] | directhex: | Stinky, what? the free world has normal relations with cuba. was there only a couple of months ago |
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| [23:55:42] | juski: | Stinky: you jingoist foreigner hater you! |
| [23:55:44] | janneg: | can Elisa record TV now? |
| [23:55:45] | Stinky: | cuba might be laid back, thats great |
| [23:55:59] | Stinky: | I wont reflect further |
| [23:56:07] | juski: | janneg: nah. it can't even play stuff without crashing loads ;) |
| [23:56:07] | directhex: | Stinky, US propaganda attempts to tell the cuban population that they should escape to florida, where the streets are paved with gold & they never need work again |
| [23:56:18] | jblack: | aww man. My fortune sucks. I want a refund |
| [23:57:03] | juski: | I tried out elisa once. it was ok apart from the crashy crashy & not being able to play mpeg out of the box. having to pay for mpeg2 playback is sucky |
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| [23:57:26] | juski: | the UI felt like a waste of space too |
| [23:57:44] | juski: | fair dues to them for at least trying something different though |
| [23:57:44] | directhex: | paying for mpeg playback is legaltastic though! |
| [23:58:00] | juski: | we don't need to worry about that in Europe just yet |
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| [23:58:19] | juski: | and FWIW their prices aren't too bad, but if I'm paying I want it to work reliably |
| [23:58:19] | janneg: | yeah: Planned Features: Full TV viewing and PVR capabilities, including features such as time-shifting |
| [23:59:38] | juski: | janneg: they said that last year, and the last demo I saw had problems playing an avi file |
| [23:59:40] | janneg: | I would worry if I were trying selling myth-boxes |
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