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Saturday, September 1st, 2007, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:09] juski: which distro?
[00:00:13] iamben: gentoo
[00:00:35] juski: never heard of gentoo doing anything for anybody automagically ;)
[00:00:56] juski: never experienced it either if I'm honest
[00:01:12] juski: well maybe genkernel ;)
[00:01:31] lashmoove: what's the command to restart the backend?
[00:01:40] iamben: well im pretty familiar w/ gentoo setup, so i already had working xorg and ivtv and all that before i grabbed myth... i set USE=autostart and changed a config or 2 and it started right on up
[00:01:50] juski: lashmoove: depends on your distro
[00:01:57] lashmoove: ubuntu feisty
[00:02:01] juski: usually something like /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart
[00:02:04] juski: as sudo
[00:02:42] lashmoove: juski: thanks
[00:03:00] juski: just dawned on me what day it is already here
[00:03:37] juski: 6 days til i go on holiday! you get a whole week without me!
[00:03:51] lashmoove: ugh.. still only 1 channel
[00:03:55] gbee: heh, just noticed the time
[00:04:07] gbee: think I'll go to bed
[00:04:22] tanq_: man I sure wish I could figure out all the caveats to having the ATI HDTV wonder on linux. I see so man forums posts that make it look like this works fine, but I apparently don't have the system configuration to support it..
[00:04:26] ** tanq_ sighs. **
[00:04:33] NightMonkey: iamben: Just so you know, the Official MythTV docs do include instructions for Gentoo users. If you get stuck, the gentoo-wiki.com site has some hints, but it, IMO, is better as a reference.
[00:04:40] tanq_: s/wonder/wonder work/
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[00:04:59] tanq_: I'm soooo close that it is irritating.. hehe..
[00:05:06] juski: I remember when I first started out on gentoo, I found myself trying to read between the lines of the official docs & the gentoo wiki
[00:05:22] juski: I either had to get with the program fast or give up
[00:05:59] juski: since it took so many 4am bedtimes to get my tuner working in 2.6.9 I decided to stick at it ;)
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[00:11:39] iamben: sweet stuff is starting to work =)
[00:11:56] iamben: "what, you mean you have to configure this thing first?" what a jackass!
[00:12:31] juski: heh. I said nothing. take note ;)
[00:13:27] iamben: this is gonna be better than i thought... channel scanner has found FIVE channels!
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[00:22:44] lashmoove: ok, searched.. searched.. searched.. why can't I get more then 1 channel?
[00:23:06] lashmoove: scan finds about 118
[00:23:16] lashmoove: but I can't change the channel
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[00:43:24] jstrtrrr: can some one recomend a good barebones system?
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[00:45:51] Zombie: Anyone here use MythTV With Alsa 1.0.12 on Mandriva 2007.1?
[00:47:01] iamben: sweet i got it all workin!
[00:47:42] lashmoove: can someone help me get more then 1 channel?
[00:48:29] lashmoove: mythfilldatabase is not getting me any data
[00:48:49] lashmoove: 401 access denied.. and now at the data direct site, I see they are shutting down as of sept 1
[00:48:59] lashmoove: is that why I only have channel 1?
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[00:54:53] iamben: i disabled the channel update thing since i knew it was down
[00:56:23] NightMonkey: Hey, I have a SchedulesDirect "policy" question. I'm going to enable mythfilldatabase updates from within Myth. Is it kosher to run a "--refresh-today" cron update as well?
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[00:56:30] CyberKnet3: lashmoove: www.schedulesdirect.com
[00:56:35] iamben: but now that i have it up and running im all excited so ill probably sign up for schedulesdirect
[00:56:57] lashmoove: is that my issue.. why I only have 1 channel?
[00:57:16] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet3: actually it's .org :)
[00:57:54] GreyFoxx: I should get Robert to point the .com as well
[00:58:10] RyeBrye: Where in the src would I find a list of fields the server uses in responding to requests?
[00:58:23] RyeBrye: I'm working on updating MRE so it works for me – but it is hardcoded to an older protocol
[00:58:26] t0ny-p40: Any one here use myth with direct tv?
[00:58:27] iamben: lashmoove: did you try going to the next step and doing the channel detection thing?
[00:58:44] CyberKnet3: GreyFoxx: Oh? I thought I'd only been to .com
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[00:59:06] RyeBrye: This is the list of fields I need to update: http://pastebin.com/m265bedfd
[00:59:16] CyberKnet: .com appears to redirect to .org
[00:59:17] RyeBrye: It has 41 fields, but there are 46 used now
[00:59:20] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: Robert has a temporary html redirect on it
[00:59:29] GreyFoxx: but the official domain is .org
[00:59:43] GreyFoxx: just registered the variations just in case :)
[00:59:59] t0ny-p40: So, does any one know if the direct tv boxes have serial?
[01:00:04] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: variations were probably a good idea... hate for a typosquatter to get ahold of them
[01:00:12] NightMonkey: GreyFoxx: schedulesdirect.tv? ;)
[01:00:17] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Especially when ignoramus like me abound...
[01:01:53] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: I upgraded myth and switched to schedules direct... I think my chanids got messed up in the process...
[01:01:59] CyberKnet: broken recording schedules :|
[01:02:23] CyberKnet: chanids are pretty easy fix... but the programids and seriesids also seem to have gotten borked somehow.
[01:02:27] CyberKnet: not sure what's going on there.
[01:02:44] CyberKnet: But the frontend doesn't show the show as having a recording schedule at all
[01:02:46] GreyFoxx: CyberKnet: The programid's and such changed sizes between the old and new service
[01:02:48] NightMonkey: CyberKnet: I had to truncate the "program" table in mysql and re-run mythfilldatabase.
[01:03:01] GreyFoxx: but it should be handled if you upgraded to 0.20.2
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[01:03:07] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Yep, sure did
[01:03:16] CyberKnet: I upgraded last saturday.
[01:03:31] CyberKnet: made sure to restart the backend after I upgraded.
[01:03:48] CyberKnet: Not a huge issue... just what I'm taking care of now.
[01:05:03] NightMonkey: CyberKnet: I had only a little trouble with one show – "Minor Accomplishments of Jackie Woodman" changed to "The Minor Accomplishments of Jackie Woodman", so I missed a week's episode. Just made a new schedule for that.
[01:05:42] ** RyeBrye found the list – it's in the Program.pm bindngs in the perl file **
[01:06:05] CyberKnet: NightMonkey: Aha. I went the long route and wrote a program to display my recording schedules and let me lookup the various elements.
[01:06:10] CyberKnet: s/long/longer/
[01:06:36] NightMonkey: CyberKnet: Wow. Well, if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. ;)
[01:07:48] RyeBrye: Is there any easy way to debug PHP crap running as scripts on the command line?
[01:07:51] CyberKnet: some kind of striking implement...
[01:08:04] NightMonkey: Strange, though. I should think that Myth would not care about show titles, but the ID. I didn't investigate further.
[01:08:09] RyeBrye: Is there a functional debugger for PHP scripts?
[01:08:24] CyberKnet: RyeBrye: Google much?
[01:08:49] RyeBrye: I was wondering if anyone had a recommendation...
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[01:09:27] CyberKnet: RyeBrye: Oh... that's not the question I read.
[01:10:01] lashmoove: anyway to resize the frontend window?
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[01:10:32] CyberKnet: RyeBrye: I have personally seen many interactive PHP debuggers a while ago when I was coding in PHP actively, but I couldn't recall any names as being better than others. Also, I was looking at windows variants... YMMV
[01:11:14] NightMonkey: RyeBrye: phpdbg? Dunno, haven't used it.
[01:11:42] NightMonkey: RyeBrye: http://dd.cron.ru/dbg/
[01:13:32] RyeBrye: I'll have to look at that one
[01:14:33] RyeBrye: I'm REALLY CLOSE to getting MRE back to functional with the trunk – but the thing relies on some pear library to do the SQL queries and they all seem to fail...
[01:16:39] CyberKnet: MRE?
[01:17:09] ** CyberKnet thinks what MRE could stand for other than Meals Ready to Eat **
[01:18:38] Toxicity999: CyberKnet some of those are delicious =P
[01:19:03] CyberKnet: Toxicity999: So I hear.
[01:19:10] CyberKnet: MythRearEnd ?
[01:19:40] jams: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_recording_extender
[01:19:55] CyberKnet: jams: yeah, I just saw it... googled some ;)
[01:21:29] RyeBrye: Oh – sorry – I was working in the other window so I didn't see the question...
[01:21:33] RyeBrye: Yeah, the recording extender
[01:21:55] RyeBrye: I like my college football, but I hate having to tell my box to record for an extra hour or two just to make sure I don't miss the end
[01:22:19] nitronic: hi, is it possible to create an initial scan file through my hd-5500? the "w_scan" utility doesn't seem to like the card
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[01:23:51] Toxicity999: What would cause prebuffer issues? Using distro compiled packages it's fine, self compiled from svn unstable It just totally times out switching fro mone livetv program to whats on next, and studdering when first starting up live TV.
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[01:29:41] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: accidental paste?
[01:29:41] GreyFoxx: dammit
[01:29:56] GreyFoxx: my daughter not paying attention and stepped on my laptop
[01:30:01] floyd: Hidoes anyone have ubuntu
[01:30:02] floyd: and mythtv
[01:30:14] floyd: or is there instructions on how to make zap-it into schedulesdirect for my ubuntu distro
[01:30:14] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v GreyFoxx
[01:30:14] ** juski puts his hand up **
[01:30:40] CyberKnet: GreyFoxx: Ouch :|
[01:30:44] juski: I'd have thought the transition would be well documented enough by now
[01:30:59] juski: anyway – enough xml file bashing for now.. bedtime!
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[01:31:49] floyd: can anyone help me?
[01:32:00] floyd: Ubuntu doesnt have the latest mythtv and i need to change to schedules direct
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[01:33:58] floyd: can anyone see this?
[01:34:08] RyeBrye: I can see it , but I don't use ubuntu
[01:34:25] floyd: oh
[01:34:38] floyd: Is there a documentation onj how to hack the script that calls zapit
[01:34:43] floyd: to point to schedules direct?
[01:34:53] GreyFoxx: floyd: Myth doesn't use a script to do it
[01:34:54] RyeBrye: Dunno
[01:35:03] GreyFoxx: It's built in support for the old zap2it service
[01:35:09] floyd: oh
[01:35:10] floyd: darn
[01:35:13] GreyFoxx: You have basically 2 options
[01:35:34] GreyFoxx: update to the latest xmltv and use a couple cronjobs with that to get the data
[01:35:38] GreyFoxx: or update myth
[01:35:50] CyberKnet: #3: Live without guide data
[01:38:25] GreyFoxx: floyd: You can use the dd grabber in xmltv 0.5.48 to get the data
[01:40:07] t0ny-p40: I wish I had $15 for sd....
[01:40:09] t0ny-p40: bah
[01:40:25] GreyFoxx: tony: There is a 7day free trial if you don't have it right now
[01:40:30] t0ny-p40: I guess I will be using mythtv in manual mode.
[01:40:33] t0ny-p40: there is?
[01:40:36] t0ny-p40: where?
[01:40:39] GreyFoxx: yup
[01:40:43] GreyFoxx: when you sign up
[01:40:50] GreyFoxx: you have up to 7 days to pay
[01:41:01] t0ny-p40: cool, I'll wait till my data quits working.
[01:41:02] Zombie: I just made a discovery.
[01:41:18] t0ny-p40: It sucks being poor and not having a job.
[01:41:29] GreyFoxx: tony: I Imagine
[01:41:56] Zombie: Anyone here use MythTV With Alsa 1.0.12 on Mandriva 2007.1? I found out my TV Card really doe use the Line in to transfer audio.
[01:42:19] GreyFoxx: Zombie: Most all of the framegrabber cards use linein
[01:42:23] t0ny-p40: What do I need to get eit data?
[01:42:42] GreyFoxx: t0ny-p40: a dvb card connected to your provider
[01:42:44] floyd: found out howto get it with ubuntu with google thanks all
[01:42:50] GreyFoxx: and a provider that happens to broadcast it
[01:42:51] floyd: but the xmltv was my next bet:)
[01:42:55] Zombie: The thing is, my Ausdio works in TV Time, but NOT MythTV
[01:42:57] GreyFoxx: not all do, and often it's encrypted
[01:43:03] t0ny-p40: GreyFoxx, so it does not work with vbi?
[01:43:33] GreyFoxx: no with the hassle
[01:44:06] GreyFoxx: usually it's encode requiring a license to decode and that's not cheap :)
[01:44:14] GreyFoxx: and even then it's rarely more than 12 hours of data
[01:44:33] GreyFoxx: even that is rare alot of places only use a few hours of data
[01:45:03] Zombie: Can someone help me solve this issue?
[01:45:40] GreyFoxx: Just an FYI though myth will not capture from an Alsa device. It will need to use OSS
[01:45:52] GreyFoxx: which normally is not a problem
[01:46:01] t0ny-p40: alsa does oss emulation
[01:46:29] GreyFoxx: If it's enabled. amazes me how often users don't have it enabled
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[02:12:36] robbins876: When I watch a vdieo in the Internal player or in mplayer, or any other player i'd presume, I get crazy tearing. I've turned on the vblank sync in my nvidia settings, is there anything else i can do to stop the video tearing?
[02:13:10] jams: robbins876- do you have deinterlacing enabled?
[02:13:14] robbins876: yes
[02:13:50] robbins876: i believe anyway, the only place i found anything about deinterlacing was in settings > tv > playback
[02:13:53] robbins876: it was in there
[02:13:58] robbins876: is that what your'e talking about?
[02:14:06] jams: yes
[02:14:10] robbins876: should i turn it off?
[02:14:28] jams: you might try different settings
[02:14:49] mcmoyer: last night I got XvMC working on my mythbox, and it got rid of almost all of the prebuffering pauses, but the audio still breaks up quite a bit. Any hints on where I should start poking about.
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[02:17:42] robbins876: i dont' get it
[02:17:54] robbins876: it was working fine the other day when i enabled the vblank thing, but now it's crap
[02:18:24] jams: perhaps you need to run nvidia-settings again?
[02:18:47] robbins876: that is telling me that i have a samsung CRT
[02:18:50] robbins876: when it's an LCD
[02:19:28] robbins876: is 60.00Hz too high for an LCD at 1600x1200?
[02:19:58] jams: doubtful, in fact 60Hz is probably what it wants
[02:20:07] robbins876: alright
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[02:34:05] topher: anybody seen this mythtv 0.20.2 linking error? http://pastebin.com/d14cb82d4
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[02:41:36] d3ity: hey guys, having some trouble with ivtv
[02:42:36] d3ity: as far as firmware goes, I use gentoo, so i emerged the ivtv drivers from portage. Now i'm at the firmware install step and I can't seem to find ivtvfwextract.pl on my system. Is there another way to get this file? must I download the tarball from ivtvdriver.org?
[02:44:19] eps: under debian that still came a long; it do an updatedb and then locate ivtvfwextract.pl
[02:44:26] eps: if that doesn't work just get the tarball
[02:44:53] d3ity: eh, i suppose i need the tarball then. Thanks
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[02:48:05] eps: mmm where are the files I need to modify to tell mythtv where to search for digital tv
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[02:48:52] fryfrog: Does anyone know where you would enter the 2 day gold trial in the interface?
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[03:23:40] tmk: anyone here using the multirec branch?
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[03:26:01] floppyears: it's friday, you might try tomorrow or in the mailing list
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[03:42:48] CyberKnet: hmm...
[03:42:59] CyberKnet: I can't get these recording schedules to work :|
[03:44:22] ** CyberKnet goes to compare and old vs new records **
[03:46:15] CyberKnet: I wonder if it is because of the station field
[03:46:56] CyberKnet: chanid is correct...
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[03:51:52] eps: is there a way to just get my dvb-t card to just scan everything and dump a channels.conf for me?
[03:53:12] ** mikeones wonders if zapit listings will stop working at 12am CST tommorrow? **
[03:53:37] mikeones: my myhthtv box is down and I will not be home for a few more hours
[03:55:21] d3ity: ok
[03:55:36] d3ity: i now have the oppertunity to sit down and beat my ivtv into submission
[03:55:48] d3ity: can someone take a look at my dmesg output and tell me what's happening here?
[03:56:42] d3ity: http://rafb.net/p/Cwjdbn71.html
[03:58:24] mikeones: d3ity: whats wrong with it?
[03:59:02] d3ity: mikeones, I tried cat /dev/video0 > file and played the file back. No matter what I do with ivtv tune I can't bring a channel in. Mythtv-setup won
[03:59:05] d3ity: 't scan for channels
[03:59:13] CyberKnet: Does anyone know what findid in the record table is for?
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[04:00:10] mikeones: d3ity: do you even have a /dev/video0? I cannot see it in the dmesg
[04:00:24] d3ity: mikeones, /dev/video0 exists.
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[04:00:53] d3ity: mikeones, so I'm not sure what's going on... I can pastebin my whole dmesg but I can't find /dev/video0 or /dev/v4l/video0 mentioned once
[04:01:00] mikeones: can you not scan for channels in the fromtend?
[04:01:06] doggkruse: anyone want to help me wth mythdvd?
[04:01:24] d3ity: mikeones, I can't get finished with setup because it won't scan for channels
[04:01:49] tmk: are there 20.2 packages for ubuntu feisty/
[04:01:54] d3ity: mikeones, is there any other place to look in there to find out if the driver is loading properly?
[04:01:58] doggkruse: mythdvd errors out trying to open .dev.scd0
[04:02:05] doggkruse: /dev/scd0
[04:02:06] d3ity: or any other place on my system that's logged
[04:02:18] doggkruse: its able to get to the menu on some dvds
[04:02:20] doggkruse: but no further
[04:03:12] tmk: dogg: di you have libdvdcss
[04:03:16] tmk: di = do
[04:03:26] tmk: it's the dvd decryption library
[04:04:46] mikeones: d3ity: does this work for you? ivtvctl -d /dev/video0 -a
[04:05:47] d3ity: ivtvctl: invalid option — a
[04:05:47] d3ity: Unknown argument `(null)'
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[04:10:18] d3ity: mikeones, is the syntax correct on that?
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[04:10:42] mikeones: d3ity: I cannot get into my myth box now to check
[04:11:45] d3ity: what does -a do?
[04:12:03] doggkruse: I have libdvdread, is that the same?
[04:12:07] doggkruse: tmk?
[04:12:20] d3ity: doggkruse, does libdvdread==libdvdcss?
[04:12:36] doggkruse: I guess that's what I'm asking, thought it might be a replacement
[04:12:45] d3ity: you'd make a horrible compiler.
[04:12:56] doggkruse: d3ity: lol
[04:13:24] doggkruse: thought there might be a #define libdvdread libdvdcss
[04:13:34] doggkruse: if we're talking like compilers
[04:13:48] russellb: the compiler doesn't handle #define :-p
[04:13:53] d3ity: they do entirley diffrent things. libdvdcss reads encrypted discs.
[04:13:58] d3ity: such as most DVDs are.
[04:13:59] doggkruse: d3ity: is there a pgk for ubuntu or do I need to compile?
[04:14:04] doggkruse: russellb: lol
[04:14:09] doggkruse: preprocesser then
[04:14:22] d3ity: libdvdcss may and or may not be legal in your country... heh
[04:14:31] doggkruse: yeah, so
[04:14:44] mikeones: d3ity: have you downloaded all the firmware files?
[04:16:31] d3ity: mikeones, the one last part i could not find on my system. v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg does not exist
[04:16:35] d3ity: where can I locate this file?
[04:19:36] mikeones: d3ity: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware
[04:21:12] tmk: i tihnk libdvdread does css, but i'm not sure
[04:21:34] tmk: actualy it needs the css lib also
[04:21:43] tmk: that may be your problem
[04:21:44] tmk: what distro
[04:24:09] d3ity: been sitting there all day looking, is there a link on that page?
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[04:27:46] mikeones: http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/firmware.tar.gz
[04:28:01] mikeones: d3ity: ^
[04:28:19] d3ity: i did in fact find it in the ivtv compile directory for portage
[04:28:38] d3ity: copied it over, rmmodded and modprobed... still nothing from the file when i cat it
[04:30:11] mikeones: depmod?
[04:32:47] doggkruse: ok, I have libdvdcss2 and stll not working, any ideas? Now just lots of codec errors
[04:40:13] tmk: dogg, does totem work
[04:40:28] tmk: eg the normal ubuntu media player
[04:40:38] tmk: get that working, and once it does, i bet myth does
[04:40:47] tmk: there is a howto and such for ubuntu
[04:42:20] eps: w_scan returns no locks yet I can get kaffeine to play some digital channels using some freq's provided by the government
[04:42:55] doggkruse: tmk thanks
[04:43:56] doggkruse: tmk you have a link to the howto?
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[04:49:19] Aval0n: are there any animated mythtv themes?
[04:49:57] eps: haven't seen any
[04:50:53] Aval0n: cool
[04:51:02] tmk: google for 'ubuntu dvd'
[04:51:19] Aval0n: tmk: who?
[04:52:43] tmk: dogg
[04:53:02] tmk: or ubuntu dvd playback
[04:53:03] tmk: is better
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[06:00:49] iamben: if i haven't "activated" my schedulesdirect account w/ a payment, should i still be able to receive scheduling? it says status: trial period
[06:01:39] iamben: im getting HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized
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[06:03:51] Hoochster: did you add a listing to your account?
[06:04:20] iamben: yes
[06:04:48] Hoochster: then I would guess your login/password is wrong in mythtv-setup or maybe it is due to your 7 day trial has expired
[06:05:26] Hoochster: I have setup 3 accounts on it, and the only time I saw an unauthorized was when I forgot to add a lineup
[06:05:33] iamben: ok thanks
[06:05:34] Hoochster: but I also subscribed so not sure.
[06:05:36] Hoochster: good luck
[06:05:55] iamben: i know the trial hasnt expired
[06:06:20] Hoochster: then I would double check the login in mythtv-setup
[06:06:29] iamben: the login is just my full email as regged w/ SD right?
[06:06:34] Hoochster: yup
[06:06:53] xris: iamben: trial and active are the same as far as data is concerned.. trial just means you haven't paid yet.
[06:07:27] xris: iamben: there's a bug in mythtv that prevents some passwords with funky chars in them, too.. (not properly escaped on the shell call to wget)
[06:08:26] iamben: sadly, my password is all letters
[06:08:44] iamben: i didnt get a confirmation email though, i wonder if there is an issue w/ signups
[06:08:47] Hoochster: and you can login to the web page no prob using the same password
[06:09:39] xris: iamben: there isn't a confirmation email (yet) for trials.
[06:09:59] xris: we thought it would be pretty obvious that your account worked when you saw the account page
[06:10:05] iamben: yeah my login works just fine
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[06:11:02] iamben: anyone have the wget command mythtv is using?
[06:11:11] xris: iamben: just run mythfilldatabase by hand
[06:11:25] xris: you should see error messages there
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[06:12:05] iamben: will do
[06:12:54] xris: finally have the new/official privacy policy almost finished and ready to post....
[06:12:59] banyan: Hey all... is there a definite schedule to update the mythtv frontend so it can use a PVR-350 tv-out with the ivtv drivers in the kernel tree?
[06:13:04] xris: which means once we do that we MIGHT be able to show some user numbers.
[06:13:35] xris: banyan: probably not... pvr-350 development in mythtv sort of stopped when they wrote an X driver for it.
[06:14:14] banyan: The X driver just lets you display X on the tv-out. You still need the framebuffer driver.
[06:14:55] xris: banyan: but it means that you can run mythtv inside of X instead of using "native" framebuffer code.
[06:15:21] xris: but the basic answer is that no one who develops for MythTV uses the 350's tv-out, and no one who uses the 350's tv-out has offered to do any dev work for MythTV.
[06:15:46] iamben: xris: don't know if this tells you much or not: http://paste2.org/p/6659
[06:15:58] banyan: Meh, what it means is that I have to run mythtv inside of X because the kernel driver for the tv-out has been shifted around.
[06:16:31] xris: iamben: makes me think you didn't configure a lineup at schedulesdirect, and/or didn't select that lineup from within mythtv-setup
[06:16:57] xris: banyan: less hassle to just get yourself a $20 nvidia card that will have better quality output, anyway.
[06:17:26] banyan: If I thought it would be something I could tackle (meaning, if I didn't get lost in the code, and if I actually did the code mods in something like a reasonable amount of time)...
[06:17:45] banyan: I would actually like to contribute in some way.
[06:18:28] banyan: Knowing me though I'd say that I would do it but it would take me 6 months to get it finished.
[06:18:43] iamben: xris: i have one added @ SD, i don't know how to select it in myth
[06:19:12] xris: iamben: in mythtv-setup, the same screen that you typed in your SD login/password... there's a "get listings from host" button (or something like that)...
[06:19:24] iamben: yeah, that hangs
[06:19:32] xris: banyan: I'm pretty sure the code is considered pretty broken, and know that it's been talked about just removing all of it for .21
[06:19:40] xris: iamben: for how long?
[06:19:50] iamben: and in the term from which i ran mythtv-setup, i see the http 401 error
[06:19:54] xris: did you select "schedules direct" as the source?
[06:20:00] iamben: yes
[06:21:12] xris: if you run `mythtv-setup -v all` you might get more log messages about what's going on when it hangs.
[06:21:18] banyan: I know it needs some TLC as a result of ivtv being rolled into the kernel — some ioctls got moved or something so it would play nice with v4l2?
[06:21:56] banyan: Other than that, it worked fine. OK, the occasional machine lockup...
[06:23:11] xris: it's not just that... it's that "no one" uses framebuffers anymore.
[06:23:11] banyan: But I'd reaaaally hate to see it get dropped. Particularly now, when ivtv is under the main kernel tree and therefore will probably change less than it had.
[06:23:26] iamben: all i see is the repeated 401 unauthorized errors from wget over and over =(
[06:23:28] xris: banyan: yes, but the pvr-350 has been EOL'd by hauppauge for almost 2 years...
[06:23:43] banyan: It works really well still though.
[06:23:44] xris: iamben: sounds like login/password errors.
[06:23:52] iamben: yes thats what i think too =)
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[06:23:58] iamben: where is the config file this is stored in?
[06:23:58] xris: do me a favor and log into schedules direct and change your password (even if you change it to the same thing).
[06:24:08] xris: that will make sure that TMS gets the correct login info forced upon it.
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[06:25:11] banyan: I suppose I'll eventually be bludgeoned into resuming my piddling around with getting my video card to play nice with my TV. It's an older nvidia and I didn't have much luck with it.
[06:25:34] iamben: xris: just tried, no go
[06:26:09] xris: iamben: pm me your email address
[06:27:14] banyan: Thanks though — I asked, you told me what's up. For my two bits, I'd like to see tv-out support stay in there a bit longer, and I'd also be willing to help assuming that the "welcome kit" doesn't consist of the source code and a can of Jolt!  :-)
[06:27:53] iamben: banyan: does the X driver not support tv out?
[06:28:53] banyan: It's a different mechanism. Mythfrontend has all the low level code to manipulate the tv-out directly, but that code has gotten out of step with the kernel 2.6.22.
[06:29:57] banyan: There *is* the option to use an x server, run the mythfrontend in it and watch TV on the 'monitor' — which is effectively the tv.
[06:30:41] banyan: I really like being able to watch tv on the TV with one eye and read e-mails and whatnot with the other. Which I could still do I guess...
[06:30:59] iamben: yeah itll just complicate your xorg.conf a bit
[06:31:04] banyan: Maybe I'll try brushing off that x server again.
[06:31:34] banyan: Kinda too bad you can't put an #include xorg-350.conf in the xorg.conf...
[06:31:48] banyan: then I could keep the 350 stuff in its own file.
[06:32:36] banyan: anyhow, it's late and I'm tired! happy labour day / bank holiday...
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[06:33:47] Chris_28: hi, hows it going
[06:33:51] Chris_28: need some firewire help
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[06:34:28] Chris_28: not sure if I'm hooking up everything right at the moment
[06:36:14] Chris_28: anyone got any ideas? or is awake?
[06:37:23] iamben: im awake
[06:37:28] iamben: whats firewire?
[06:37:34] Chris_28: ieee1394
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[06:38:11] iamben: heh sorry, i know what it is but i won't be any help at all
[06:38:17] Chris_28: ok
[06:38:28] iamben: i think ive got some firewire ports back there somewhere but i've never used em
[06:38:39] Chris_28: I'm just trying to get channel changing working
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[06:41:33] Chris_28: hi ecto
[06:44:09] xris: Chris_28: what distro?
[06:44:20] xris: and what kind of cable box?
[06:44:46] Chris_28: Gentoo runing kernel-2.6.22-gentoo-r5 comcast DCT 3416
[06:45:08] Chris_28: I had this working before, however a major fuckup happened as I had to rebuild the whole thing, I'm trying to rebuild everything but it's not going so well so far
[06:45:56] xris: hmm, didn't now those low-number comcast boxes even did firewire.
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[06:46:45] xris: I know something changed in recent kernel stuff for firewire, and takes rebuilding anything related to firewire.. (or if using fedora 7 like I am, downgrading kernel and fw libs to the fc-6 versions)
[06:48:17] Chris_28: Well, in the gentoo menu config it says experimental on an alt firewire stack
[06:48:31] Chris_28: I just recompiled gentoo with the old stack and everything moduled
[06:48:43] xris: ah
[06:48:58] Chris_28: I had the old stack before, but I don't think I had all the needed firewire
[06:48:58] xris: you may have to wait for kormoc or Cardoe to show up (they're the local gentoo gurus)
[06:50:46] Chris_28: ... when do they usually come on?
[06:52:19] xris: "whenever"
[06:52:22] Chris_28: ah
[06:52:31] Chris_28: hmmm, cause I've got a good plugreport
[06:58:29] Chris_28: well, I did get my model and vendor id for that info
[06:58:37] Chris_28: and I've added that to 6200ch.c
[06:58:43] Chris_28: now if only I could figure out the rest
[07:00:10] Chris_28: whats the proper build command to build 6200ch?
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[07:10:29] Chris_28: anyone?
[07:11:24] tjcarter: Chris_28: sec
[07:12:42] tjcarter: something like gcc 6200ch 6200ch.c -lavc1394 -lraw1394
[07:13:01] tjcarter: -g and -O and whatnot are up to you
[07:13:19] Chris_28: I'l just stick wit the basics
[07:14:48] Chris_28: huh, gcc: 6200ch no such file or directory
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[07:17:47] tjcarter: make that -c 6200ch.c (I'm an idiot)
[07:18:12] tjcarter: gcc 6200ch -c 6200ch.c -lavc1394 -lraw1394
[07:18:15] tjcarter: probably will do it
[07:19:09] Chris_28: ok
[07:19:59] Chris_28: close but no cigar
[07:22:43] Chris_28: ... dumbass that I am seemed to have completely ignored the readme
[07:23:15] tjcarter: well, that's what you get for being a dumbass =)
[07:23:35] tjcarter: I'm just up way past my bedtime typing compiler commands into irc, so don't expect it to work
[07:23:38] Chris_28: At least I'm willing to dmit my dumbassery :)
[07:24:00] Chris_28: but that's good, it keeps me good so far
[07:24:01] Chris_28: :)
[07:24:08] tjcarter: We all have our vices.
[07:24:18] tjcarter: I am well-known for wiseassery.
[07:24:22] Chris_28: and the 6200ch.c file eeded the vendor model numbers for my particular system added in
[07:24:30] Chris_28: where do I send that information to for future reference?
[07:25:03] tjcarter: To its maintainer
[07:25:37] tjcarter: Personally, I like my SA 3250HD, and I like it more now that that I can trivially have two of them.
[07:25:58] tjcarter: I'll be happier still when I figure out a good way to make sure the thing turns itself back on after it reboots
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[07:26:10] Chris_28: well, I wish I could help there
[07:26:16] Chris_28: all I can get mine to do is change channel
[07:26:35] tjcarter: And I'd be even happier if I could get HD video out of it into my Myth box.
[07:26:42] Chris_28: which is a feat unto itself these days
[07:26:50] tjcarter: doing it on firewire ... no.
[07:26:57] tjcarter: 5 channels, out of > 20.
[07:27:05] tjcarter: and that's the HD alone
[07:27:12] Chris_28: personally I wat the HD goodness
[07:27:13] tjcarter: non-HD doesn't work on firewire at all.
[07:27:25] Chris_28: but maybe when HDMI compatable tv cards are ready from Hauppauge
[07:27:33] tjcarter: pfft
[07:27:37] tjcarter: yeahright.
[07:27:44] tjcarter: They won't happen.
[07:27:50] Chris_28: any ideas on getting a firewire video stream from a DCT3416?
[07:28:08] tjcarter: Follow the firewire howto.
[07:28:13] tjcarter: Set the box to PBS first
[07:28:19] tjcarter: PBS HD should work.
[07:28:26] tjcarter: Anything else is anybody's guess.
[07:31:06] Chris_28: hmmm I tried that, PBS doesn't seem to want to
[07:31:51] tjcarter: my turn for dumb question: is DataDirect going to keep feeding those of us who have subscriptions through like October in my case until then?
[07:32:12] Chris_28: I think so
[07:32:31] Chris_28: Hopefully by that time they will determine the permenant or at least the foreseeable future rate
[07:32:48] Chris_28: wait, dtadirect?
[07:32:52] Chris_28: what country?
[07:33:08] Chris_28: cause from my understanding it was a hard cutoff
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[07:33:28] Chris_28: ... I'm starting to suffer from sleep deprivation
[07:33:30] tjcarter: That's what I thought
[07:33:54] xris: datadirect is a service offered by zap2it/tms... "labs" is a free version of the datadirect service that will not work as of today (since it's 12:33 AM here). schedules direct still uses datadirect, but it's the "for pay" version of the service.
[07:35:35] tjcarter: xris: I am wondering exactly what time they'll kill it.
[07:35:44] tjcarter: It's Saturday after all  ;)
[07:36:05] tjcarter: or if they're just not doing subscriptions after (seems like that's not what they're doing though)
[07:36:07] xris: tjcarter: for all I know, they'll just leave it on until it breaks again... or it'll turn off tomorrow morning, or tomorrow night.
[07:36:34] xris: the "renewal" system has been running on auto pilot, and has nothing to do with the sept 1 cutoff
[07:37:25] tjcarter: xris: I suppose I should look at schedulesdirect setup right now, but I'd rather do it as part of a KM upgrade.
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[07:37:41] tjcarter: Cecil's promised to have one sometime before we can't get listings anymore =D
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[07:37:47] xris: tjcarter: you should still have 2 weeks of data from labs.zap2it.
[07:37:53] xris: km?
[07:38:01] xris: knopmyth?
[07:38:09] Chris_28: I paid for the schedualsdirect
[07:38:23] tjcarter: yeh
[07:38:31] xris: Chris_28: and we appreciate that.  :)
[07:38:44] xris: tjcarter: he tried to get in touch with me a couple of days ago, but was gone by the time I replied to him
[07:39:21] ** tjcarter would be happy to pay for schedulesdirect, just hoping not to start in September. **
[07:39:22] xris: new privacy policy should hopefully go online tomorrow (got the hopeful-final-draft from the lawyers tonight)
[07:39:38] xris: tjcarter: it's september already
[07:40:38] tjcarter: xris: I know
[07:40:52] tjcarter: xris: And I'm really feeling the student without financial aid or job pinch.
[07:40:57] xris: odd that he didn't get the .20.2 packages into the knopmyth update repo, though
[07:41:22] tjcarter: I'm considering that I may not be running KM for a whole lot longer.
[07:41:26] xris: tjcarter: well, could wait your 2 weeks worth of free zap2it data... sign up for the SD free trial, and get free data through most of september
[07:41:33] tjcarter: I really like it in general
[07:41:54] tjcarter: how long's the trial, a week?
[07:41:56] xris: yeah
[07:42:02] xris: and you get 2 weeks of data
[07:42:10] tjcarter: That's maybe two days short of what I need =)
[07:42:37] tjcarter: actually, it should work
[07:42:49] tjcarter: the trial doesn't limit me to downloading just 7 days' data does it?
[07:42:52] xris: no
[07:42:55] xris: it's a full accont
[07:42:59] xris: just a short expiration date
[07:43:40] tjcarter: if I wait a week, I'll have data through the end of September.
[07:44:11] tjcarter: middle of last week of September I can pay for like a year or something.
[07:45:10] Chris_28: grrr... now I can't get my video sources
[07:45:39] xris: tjcarter: we're only allowing 3-month purchases at the moment.
[07:45:57] tjcarter: xris: something to do with the potential for abuse?
[07:46:07] xris: we don't want people to pay for a year now and get upset when we drop the price in 3 months.
[07:46:12] tjcarter: ahh
[07:46:32] tjcarter: you could let them pay for a year and extend their subscription accordingly when you drop the price?
[07:46:40] xris: too hard to deal with.
[07:46:45] Chris_28: agreed
[07:46:47] tjcarter: Noted.
[07:47:13] tjcarter: schedulesdirect pays a fixed amount?
[07:47:22] xris: flat fee + per-user fee
[07:47:43] tjcarter: ahh, so the price can drop as soon as you have anough users to know you can cover it.
[07:47:50] xris: sort of
[07:48:12] xris: but yeah... the per-user cost goes down as we get more users.
[07:48:14] tjcarter: plus some basic margin to cover users who stop using it..
[07:48:30] xris: we'd like to be able to keep 6 months of operating costs in the bank.
[07:48:48] tjcarter: if I may ask, how are you doing on subscribership so far?
[07:49:06] xris: we already have enough users to cover the $5/month fee... can't really say more than that until the new privacy policy is up.
[07:49:19] xris: since we don't technically have permission from our members to share that info
[07:49:33] tjcarter: I didn't want much more info than that =)
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[07:50:14] tjcarter: I think the 6 month margin is good, and I'm wondering if you have already, as of September 1st, enough that it's probably going to happen =)
[07:50:15] xris: we need to build up a bit of money in the bank to help cover the expenses of filing the 501(c)(3) paperwork, etc.
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[07:50:46] tjcarter: That doesn't cost too much fortunately.
[07:50:49] thostr: ny1 using compiz-fusion with mythtv frontend in here?
[07:50:54] xris: we've had a good number of signups so far.. we hope to double that number over the next couple of weeks as people's free data expires.
[07:51:14] tjcarter: I think that'll happen
[07:51:46] thostr: I gather it would be nice to have a desktop cube and run democracy player on one side, mythtv-frontend on the other, firefox on the third etc
[07:51:48] xris: we're also not sure how the ctpvr company and some free (semi-illegal) grabbers will affect things
[07:51:53] tjcarter: if you advertize far and wide a drop-in replacement for existing people running current (and older would be wise) versions of Myth, it'll probably be more than double.
[07:52:05] tjcarter: ctpvr?
[07:52:14] tjcarter: I assume they're the ones abusing labs?
[07:52:22] xris: some tiny pvr company offering a windows exe file to download xml data for use in mythtv/etc.
[07:52:40] tjcarter: um
[07:52:46] xris: no one's really sure how legit they are (SD has a little more info about things, but can't discuss it)
[07:53:00] iamben: xris: my issue may be related to my ISP
[07:53:23] xris: iamben: that would definitely explain why the SD web tools can get into your account but you can't do it locally
[07:53:36] iamben: i wonder if i can get mythtv to use a proxy
[07:53:46] xris: could set up a transparent proxy
[07:53:52] tjcarter: My logical view of things (which may have nothing to do with SD's contract with zap2it) is that any PVR software which you do not pay for should be acceptable.
[07:54:06] iamben: well i've got this crappy satellite inet, theres a transparent proxy they have enabled by default
[07:54:24] tjcarter: It might get a little more complicated when you start talking about eg, the KnoppMyth reference system, which can be purchased.
[07:54:25] xris: ahh
[07:54:40] iamben: when i need to work around it, the modem/router has another proxy on port 87 i can use to skip their compression and whatever other BS their normal proxy uses
[07:54:54] xris: tjcarter: that's partially true, but we still have to get each app we support approved by TMS.
[07:55:03] xris: they've been pretty lenient with what they allow, though.
[07:55:47] tjcarter: xmltv and mythfilldatabase being supported pretty much covers the Linux PVRs.
[07:56:24] xris: freevo is in there, too
[07:56:34] xris: we even have a handful of freevo users signed up.  :)
[07:56:37] tjcarter: do they have their own grabber that doesn't basically use wget?
[07:56:53] xris: not a clue
[07:56:58] xris: I'm just looking at our stats
[07:57:05] tjcarter: *nod*
[07:57:29] tjcarter: well, as I said, I may not be using KM much longer because I want to kind of experiment with something a bit more appliance-like.
[07:57:54] tjcarter: KM works very hard to be that, but as of R5, it really falls down in a couple of important ways.
[07:59:23] tjcarter: I figure if I can talk two or three other people into thinking about a MythTV box like an embedded system rather than a Linux box running a dedicated application, you can do some pretty cool things that are hard to do well with the distribution plus model.
[08:00:19] tjcarter: I wrote a big article I think I need to rewrite about one idea I've stolen from TiVo, having two complete (and hopefully working) root filesystems for upgrades.
[08:00:43] tjcarter: always upgrade onto the inactive root and just reboot to switch to the new system.
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[08:01:32] tjcarter: If you really do follow the embedded philosophy in building the system, a 5 minute gap in recordings would be more than sufficient for scheduling such
[08:04:51] tjcarter: I don't have time to do it all myself, but someone who knows KnoppMyth fairly well could probably help make it quite doable. Two other people could make pretty short work of it.
[08:05:36] xris: could be nice.
[08:05:41] ** xris goes back to cleaning... **
[08:05:47] tjcarter: We'd have to meddle with a small amount of code--lilo's not smart enough to pull this off.
[08:06:41] tjcarter: Another bit of code I have in mind one of these days regardless is an Xless mythtv-setup
[08:07:27] tjcarter: My BE is still plugged in out here rather than in my closet because I have to mess around in mythtv-setup just often enough that I don't want to move it to the closet.
[08:07:45] Chris_28: hmmm
[08:07:53] Chris_28: external chael change is now being an issue
[08:08:01] Chris_28: ... which is a pain cause I had it right before
[08:08:07] tjcarter: Chris_28: build $2 IR blaster?
[08:08:23] Chris_28: no thanks, I've actually got the firewire channel change working
[08:08:34] Chris_28: I'm just not making the channel change command proper in the setup
[08:08:38] tjcarter: but not in myth?
[08:08:50] Chris_28: yea, I think I've got the command wrong
[08:09:00] Chris_28: it's 6200ch -n 0 -p 0 1$
[08:09:02] tjcarter: specify full path
[08:09:14] tjcarter: 1$
[08:09:18] tjcarter: you mean $1?
[08:09:23] tjcarter: remove that in either case =D
[08:09:24] Chris_28: had it like that too
[08:09:44] Chris_28: don't you need that in order for it to know thats the variable?
[08:09:44] tjcarter: <path-to>/6200ch -n 0 -p 0
[08:09:50] tjcarter: correct.
[08:09:56] tjcarter: I think
[08:10:05] Chris_28: then why would i remove that variable?
[08:10:07] tjcarter: if it is anything, it's %s, but I do not believe it is.
[08:10:21] tjcarter: I think it just appends the channel to the end of the line
[08:10:54] tjcarter: checking that requires I run mythtv-setup  ;)
[08:14:06] Chris_28: got it
[08:14:07] Chris_28: thanks
[08:14:25] iamben: xris: confirmed, xmltv can fetch my listings just fine, mythtv's method doesnt work on my lame ass proxy i guess
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[08:20:31] Dagmar: Now if xmltv can be patched to fetch me a beer
[08:21:44] iamben: unfortunately i can't figure out how to get xmltv's .xml into myth
[08:23:03] gbee: iamben: which version of mythtv?
[08:23:14] gbee: and what grabber?
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[08:24:32] iamben: trunk i believe
[08:24:45] iamben: and tv_grab_na_dd maybe?
[08:24:53] iamben: i dunno im new at this!
[08:26:29] gbee: mythbackend --version
[08:26:58] iamben: 0.21.20070820–1
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[08:27:33] ** gbee is going to have to move the API line below the revision and branch lines **
[08:27:57] iamben: did you want the revision?
[08:28:01] gbee: iamben: ok, you are trying to use Zap2It? Or Schedules direct?
[08:28:20] iamben: SD, on the newest xmltv
[08:28:24] iamben: .48
[08:29:06] gbee: right, in mythtv-setup under video sources you should be able to pick tv_grab_na_dd
[08:29:23] iamben: oh that would be nice, lemme try that
[08:29:35] gbee: most people would choose to use Internal (Schedules DIrect) though
[08:29:46] gbee: which is the built-in grabber for schedules direct
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[08:31:18] gbee: iamben: it's the listings grabber setting, just scroll through the options till you find the one you want
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[08:32:34] Chris_28: hmmm
[08:35:49] iamben: i found the one for tv_grab_na_dd, things seem to be rolling now
[08:35:50] iamben: thanks
[08:36:05] iamben: the internal grabber doesnt work for me because of my stupid ass ISP's proxy
[08:37:15] gbee: ahh
[08:37:47] Chris_28: I just emailed the vendor_id and model_id for my DCT3416 to the 6200ch dev
[08:37:53] Chris_28: hopefully he can pass it along to others
[08:38:04] gbee: well the xmltv grabber works just as well, in fact it uses some data that the DD grabber currently ignore if you'd like to know if a programme is in surround sound ;)
[08:38:39] gbee: s/ignore/ignores/
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[08:40:52] xris: iamben: that's really odd...
[08:41:25] iamben: xris: as soon as i saw someone mention "hughesnet" on one of the posts about this issue, i knew they were to blame
[08:41:38] xris: ahh
[08:41:42] iamben: know whats also wierd? i cant use freedb/cddb unless i bypass their proxy
[08:41:49] xris: very weird
[08:42:03] xris: well, you can plug mythtv directly into xmltv and access SD that way.
[08:42:24] iamben: its supposed to be a "web accelerator" proxy that uses compression, but it doesnt accelerate anything. it slows me down and saves THEM a bit on bandwidth in the sky.
[08:42:46] iamben: xris: yeah i switched myth to use xmltv's grabber and im rolling now
[08:42:53] xris: cool
[08:43:41] tjcarter: gbee: what do people using older versions of Myth which have DataDirect but not SchedulesDirect do?
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[08:44:31] gbee: they upgrade. Or you can manually feed data from the xmltv grabber to mythfilldatabase using the --file or --dd-file options
[08:45:17] gbee: I'd recommend anyone using 0.20 or 0.20.1 upgrade immediately
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[08:46:58] xris: and people are STILL signing up for SD... at almost 2 AM PDT
[08:47:39] gbee: and anyone using a version prior to 0.19, well I'd say upgrade again, but I doubt very much they'd listen or that I could really justify it, if they don't want the improvements and features in 0.20 then I can't twist their arm (but I don't understand anyone who doesn't like new/better stuff)
[08:48:48] xris: vs "stable/working/known to be not broken"
[08:48:52] gbee: xris: I expect that to continue, or even grow over the next couple of days
[08:49:09] xris: gbee: we expect the numbers to keep growing over the next couple of weeks
[08:49:28] xris: big group over the next couple of days, and then another group in a couple of weeks when the last trickle of Labs data runs out.
[08:50:16] gbee: xris: I might understand their reluctance to immediately upgrade when a new version is release, but 0.20.2 is over a year old and has a years worth of bug fixes
[08:50:39] gbee: s/release/released/
[08:50:45] enyc: 0.20.2 is great because ubuntu already have package in feisty-proposed for that
[08:50:48] tjcarter: I restate my earlier comments about KM upgrades being not trivial  ;)
[08:50:51] ** gbee is still not fully awake this morning **
[08:51:10] tjcarter: And a new Mac frontend that actually works is like pulling teeth
[08:51:13] enyc: ;-) — i dnt use the US goude data so thats not relevant to me, but the fact there has finally been a point release is useful to me
[08:51:26] tjcarter: so an incompatible protocol upgrade simply ain't gonna happen
[08:51:46] tjcarter: The year-old frontend I have sortof almost works, and it's the only one that does.
[08:52:30] gbee: tjcarter: odd, I know stuarta built his mac frontend from source (trunk) with no problems
[08:52:32] tjcarter: qt3 fails to compile for me, so I'm not really holding out a whole lot of hope for it.
[08:52:41] enyc: tjcarter: ?are 0.18.x – 0.19.x – 0.20.x releases exactly 3 different protocol-database versions? — are there more protocol-database-versions there?
[08:52:49] tjcarter: gbee: compile vs. work?
[08:52:59] gbee: both
[08:53:03] tjcarter: gbee: I can download at least three different compiled versions
[08:53:15] gbee: we demo'd it to the crowds (hah!) at LRL
[08:53:22] tjcarter: all of them have pretty nasty bugs
[08:53:27] tjcarter: like, no aspect control
[08:53:54] tjcarter: which on a Mac is a really really lame bug, since any Mac you buy is likely to have a 16:10 screen =p
[08:54:17] enyc: tjcarter: I thought the aspect-control was related to pixel-size aspect
[08:54:22] tjcarter: some builds require QT handle colorspace conversion, some require the opposite
[08:54:25] gbee: enyc: the protocol version changes more regularly than the major version numbers, it's still the same basic protocol but any additions or minor changes mean a change in the version
[08:54:28] enyc: tjcarter: maybe it sets aspect compare to x/y of window
[08:55:01] tjcarter: enyc: it remains 4:3 but the OSD changes
[08:55:19] gbee: since 0.20 we've changed protocol versions 3/4 times in trunk
[08:55:25] tjcarter: there's a pretty nasty seek bug too
[08:55:31] enyc: gbee: hrrm indeed but on _releases_ im asking about
[08:55:37] tjcarter: that's been around since 0.19 that I'm sure about
[08:55:41] gbee: don't remember it changing in -fixes (0.20.1 or 0.20.2)
[08:56:11] enyc: gbee: I want to know if 0.18.x RELEASES is "all the same" database version ... same for 0.19.x and 0.20.x where .x includes -fixes as well as the point-releases themselves
[08:56:35] enyc: gbee: hrrm
[08:56:45] tjcarter: seeks sometimes reset to 0:00:00 momentarily, a second seek before it figures it out again actually moves back to 0:00:00
[08:57:25] gbee: enyc: can't guarentee that the protocol hasn't changed in a point release, but it would be a pretty unusual event, done only to fix a bug
[08:57:32] tjcarter: and 0.20 has this weird latency that never existed in 0.19
[08:57:52] tjcarter: ...and those are the bugs in the build that WORKS (sortof)
[08:58:12] gbee: so 0.18.x releases should all use the same protocol, same for 0.19.x and 0.20.x
[08:58:22] directhex: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Protocol
[08:58:40] ** tjcarter is convinced that we Mac people need a new frontend if only because the existing one is a flipping nightmare to compile. **
[08:59:08] directhex: tjcarter, that generally applies for using linux apps on mac. i gave up on running monodevelop
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[08:59:33] enyc: gbee: got you... that akes sense thankyou ;-)
[08:59:48] tjcarter: directhex: I use Linux apps on a Mac all the time. The ones that are actually made to run on a Mac (usually involves custom UI code for a Mac) work extremely well
[09:00:12] tjcarter: Console apps are trivial, but they would be.
[09:00:38] enyc: tjcarter: interesting... ive heard of people running linux on mac-boxes too
[09:00:44] tjcarter: SDL apps depend a little. Some work extremely well, others (frozen bubble) break in odd ways
[09:00:55] tjcarter: I bought my Mac to be a Mac, not to be a Linux box.
[09:00:59] directhex: enyc, COMPILING apps. macos is still *nix, with x11 available
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[09:01:08] tjcarter: I have lots of Linux boxes here
[09:01:10] tjcarter: And one Mac
[09:01:11] enyc: tjcarter: ?do you know any kind of 'run macos apps' on macos?
[09:01:33] enyc: directhex: yes i know... theres a whole packages foss system for macosx but i cant remember what its called
[09:01:36] enyc: tjcarter: oops
[09:01:37] tjcarter: er, could you please restate that question?
[09:01:39] enyc: tjcarter: ?do you know any kind of 'run macos apps' on linux?
[09:01:54] tjcarter: oh, I suppose VMWare could be run
[09:02:17] enyc: tjcarter: i meant at the 'integrate the higher level binaries' alongside idea
[09:02:24] tjcarter: it's really not hard to get Mac OS X to run on something not a Mac nowadays
[09:02:28] directhex: there's no wine equivalent
[09:02:41] enyc: tjcarter: i.e. running on linux kernel rather than darwin/macos kernel
[09:02:48] enyc: no matter ;-) just wondered if it existed
[09:02:50] tjcarter: The closest we have is nearly source-code-compatible with GNUStep, if the code isn't too exotic.
[09:03:05] tjcarter: nah, the driver model is too different
[09:03:12] enyc: makes sense
[09:03:27] tjcarter: and more importantly, Linux doesn't support Mach-O binary format
[09:03:41] enyc: and of coures teh cocoa/whatever interface stuff needs all that driver moiel and would need to be re-implemented ;-)
[09:03:45] tjcarter: I sure do wish someone at Apple would pull their heads out and move to ELF
[09:03:53] tjcarter: I don't much like Mach-O format
[09:04:31] tjcarter: Well, there are attempts to rewrite GNUStep to provide proper compatibility with Cocoa
[09:05:03] tjcarter: Some of them are even using X drivers directly in something not an X server (which is the proper way to do it)
[09:05:09] enyc: puzzling
[09:05:17] tjcarter: Emulating Cocoa on top of X is messy
[09:05:36] tjcarter: Use the drivers and build an analogue of WindowServer
[09:06:04] tjcarter: then just build an X server for it like you get with X.org
[09:06:05] enyc: hehehe ;-)
[09:06:31] tjcarter: Much easier to make X conform to the Mac than to make the Mac conform to X.
[09:06:49] tjcarter: Anyway, I'm actually thinking a couple of different things for a Mac frontend
[09:07:31] directhex: i'm starting to cool on the idea of a mac mini for my frontend
[09:07:41] directhex: what with the ps3 optimization commits
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[09:08:29] tjcarter: I think we need a FE more like WinMyth actually
[09:08:39] Dagmar: Umm... hah
[09:08:44] directhex: when did winmyth last actually work?
[09:08:59] tjcarter: I didn't say WinMyth, I said something LIKE WinMyth
[09:09:26] directhex: so an app, not a frontend
[09:09:32] tjcarter: essentially, something intended to be windowed
[09:09:43] tjcarter: probably using Cocoa widgets
[09:09:49] enyc: urrm
[09:09:56] enyc: i know mythfrontend works in a window...
[09:10:13] enyc: what stops you building that on macos and using apples' x11 thing?
[09:11:00] tjcarter: you missed the laundtry list of bugs in mythfrontend, which begin with you can't actually compile qt3 with gcc 4.0,1 without some significant patch I haven't got.
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[09:11:22] tjcarter: that's a bug because I can't fix all of the others =p
[09:11:56] directhex: tjcarter, okay, so write a little patch to move myth from qt to gtk! that removes one problem!
[09:12:18] tjcarter: the aspect ratio not working, the colorspace conversion problems, the sometimes 2 minute lag going into the recordings view
[09:12:37] tjcarter: the seek bug which has been there since 0.19
[09:12:45] tjcarter: (and only affects Macs apparently)
[09:13:08] tjcarter: directhex: MythFrontend works wonderfully in Linux..
[09:13:17] tjcarter: I don't see major need to replace it
[09:13:20] enyc: hrrm ubuntu feisty appear to build their source pagage on recent gcc 4.1.2 etc.? is there some problem on the version in macosx that it cant build against then?
[09:13:29] tjcarter: But on the Mac, we need something better IMO
[09:13:42] gbee: we use QT for more than the GUI, in fact the majority of the QT code is outside the UI
[09:14:06] gbee: tjcarter: have you reported these bugs to trac?
[09:14:58] tjcarter: gbee: I can't report bugs in a year-plus-old compiled-by-someone-else binary
[09:15:08] tjcarter: c'mon, nobody is going to take that seriously.
[09:15:23] gbee: :D
[09:15:44] tjcarter: The big problem is the need for a build environment to work with
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[09:16:00] directhex: actually, sod c++, move the whole thing to c# and you get cross-platform for free! wheee!
[09:16:01] tjcarter: THEN I can try current code and report real bugs (and follow debugging instructions)
[09:16:10] gbee: but isn't that the point? how do you know these bugs aren't fixed in trunk? I know Nigel's done a lot of work with it in the last year
[09:16:16] tjcarter: directhex: you must not write much c#
[09:16:28] Dagmar: (perl)
[09:16:42] directhex: Dagmar, port myth to gtk2-perl? genius!
[09:16:56] Dagmar: I could certainly beat bugs out of it left and right hten
[09:17:01] directhex: okay, someone get to work!
[09:17:17] ** gbee goes off to forage for breakfast **
[09:17:21] tjcarter: gbee: I've seen just three builds of MythFrontend for Mac.. To the best of my ability to test, all seem to have the basic set of bugs I find in my ages old collectivity build..
[09:17:26] Dagmar: ...provided we can keep people from gratuitously OOP'ing it
[09:18:04] tjcarter: It's hard to do that since one of the three builds doesn't actually play video, just audio.
[09:18:30] tjcarter: I'd really love to build current -fixes and try that out
[09:19:15] tjcarter: I do think, however, that you people need a more robust wire protocol so that frontends not MythFrontend don't break as fast as they're written =D
[09:19:43] directhex: the entire *point* of open source is never needing to write a stable ABI!
[09:19:54] directhex: or API. or anything ending in I in general
[09:20:13] ** tjcarter hits directhex over the head with a remote frontend **
[09:20:40] ** directhex spanks tjcarter with an in-kernel HAL **
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[09:21:57] tjcarter: The changing of wire protocols kinda makes upgrading problematic when you have more than one system to upgrade
[09:22:15] tjcarter: I've heard of setups with a pair of SBEs and as many as four FEs
[09:23:16] directhex: then it's your own fault for not using a distributed shell and the same distribution release on all systems! duh!
[09:23:59] tjcarter: on identical hardware, don't forget
[09:25:24] tjcarter: And yes, my own LAN is hell for Myth
[09:25:47] tjcarter: KnoppMyth, Ubuntu, FreeBSD, and a Mac
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[09:27:39] tjcarter: The Mac also plays host to a virtual Windows XP sometimes (for DRM removals) and there's going to be a second Mac shortly running a different version of the OS
[09:28:35] tjcarter: I really only expect the Ubuntu box and the Mac to be able to talk to my KnoppMyth backend
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[09:44:34] ** juski looks up at the sky. it's still there. the sun is shining & there's hardly a cloud up there **
[09:47:31] Immolo: rumor has it september is going to be nice
[09:48:48] directhex: it's sorta grey round 'ere
[09:48:57] juski: yeah I'm just happy the sky hasn't falled down. the predicted apocalypse hasn't come (yet)
[09:49:16] directhex: fallen
[09:49:39] juski: falled
[09:49:51] juski: it not done gone falled dowen
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[11:59:16] rjmunro: mythfrontend keeps dieing on me when I look at the media library. There is an error "invalid seektable" which I suspect is the problem.
[11:59:37] rjmunro: Any ideas how to fix it?
[12:01:13] Dagmar: Yes, the backend log is telling you how to fix it
[12:02:57] rjmunro: Dagmar: Nothing appears in the backend log.
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[12:03:21] rjmunro: The error in in the console of the mythfrontend command.
[12:03:26] Dagmar: Mine was telling me how to fix it when I killed my database
[12:03:49] Syphn: Question: I'm loooking at the docs for compiling and want to confirm that $QTDIR should be in my $PATH and that "which qmake" should be pointing at my /qt/bin/qmake?
[12:03:52] Dagmar: Run optimize_mythdb.pl, and then try again
[12:03:55] juski: so the seektable is in the database, and it's invalid. Hmmm. you probably need to put 2 & 2 together & realise that you somehow have to check the mysql database. Run a kind of mysql check program
[12:04:10] juski: Syphn: that's what the docs say
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[12:04:16] Dagmar: Syphn: The QT installation docs answer those questions
[12:04:58] juski: Dagmar: look on the bright side. people are reading the docs & coming here with questions about what they read!
[12:05:10] ** juski stands back in amazement **
[12:05:17] Dagmar: That will only make me happy when I'm allowed to stab out their eyes for it
[12:05:30] juski: you'll never be happy Dagmar
[12:05:46] juski: so long as there are users who don't know everything you'll never be happy :-P
[12:06:15] Dagmar: When they stop coming up with new ways of wasting time I'll be happy
[12:06:21] rjmunro: juski: Already ran mysqlcheck.
[12:06:33] juski: I had some retard give me stick for putting him on ignore last night. I didn't tell him, he found out by pinging me
[12:06:35] Dagmar: See, that's an old way right there
[12:06:42] Syphn: Now i just need to append the QT to my path and set qmake to be the QT one
[12:06:49] Dagmar: Completely ignoring what they were told on how to fix things
[12:07:56] juski: anyway I set irssi to ignore all CTCPS, so if I'm right nobody will get replies to pings, ignored or not
[12:08:07] Dagmar: Not good
[12:08:15] juski: how so?
[12:08:19] Dagmar: The server will ping you from time to time to make sure you're not a really crappy bot
[12:08:49] juski: so I'll get kicked
[12:08:54] juski: I can live with that
[12:08:56] ** directhex kicks juski **
[12:09:56] RaYmAn-Bx: Dagmar: the irc servers pings aren't CTCP...they are just plain "PING :something"..irssi won't ignore those that easily
[12:10:10] Dagmar: Argh you're right
[12:10:22] Dagmar: Now I know I've been on IRC for too long--I'm forgetting stuff
[12:10:54] juski: getting pinged by people I don't know always bugs me anyway.. I'm like... WTF do they want?
[12:11:09] Dagmar: At least I still remember the cool stuff
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[12:12:31] ** juski wonders if there's an easy way to make a UK TV grabber which'll get a lot of the Sly channels not served by RadioTimes.com **
[12:13:13] juski: I expect not, or it'd have been done already I bet. If there were less wasted feeds for +1 channels there'd be less need
[12:13:20] Dagmar: alkos333: Did you try the -dd thing yet?
[12:14:17] juski: lol there are actually adult channels called 'Climax'. how apt
[12:15:22] juski: Red Hot 40+??? eeeew! Red hot amateur? aww no! Red Hot Wives? oh gawd. who watches this stuff?
[12:16:50] juski: they're only going into the wizard for the sake of completeness. the mind boggles
[12:19:16] ehird`: ok. premise: i am going to get a laptop to run mythtv on 24/7. since i use macs as everyday computers (don't worry – i have shell-fu ;)) and would rather maintain a mac than a laptop running anything else, I think I will go for a MacBook. Now, the immediate question is: what capture card, and how many, is best to use?
[12:19:45] juski: ehird`: how much do you want to be able to record or watch at any given time?
[12:20:26] juski: and it's a matter of finding out which USB/PCMCIA tuners work in linux/OS X
[12:20:40] juski: pretty expensive mythtv backend, I think you'll find
[12:20:50] ehird`: juski: well, i want to be able to watch at all times, and i guess i want to record one or two channels at a time (i'm not that much of a tv junkie, but i would like to be able to record it etc.)
[12:21:03] ehird`: the faq said something about a card which had two tuners
[12:21:09] ehird`: depending on the price of that, that sounds nice
[12:21:13] Dagmar: pvr500
[12:21:14] juski: watching IS recording in mythtv, so if you have livetv on all the time, that's one tuner tied up all the time
[12:21:21] ehird`: juski: right
[12:21:27] juski: bit hard to get a pvr500 to fit into a macbook :-P
[12:21:35] ehird`: juski: this is true
[12:21:36] ehird`: :p
[12:21:47] ehird`: i could rip it apart with a knife and hammer it in..
[12:22:01] ehird`: ... i could try fitting it in a usb port? haha
[12:22:05] juski: ehird`: forget about analogue TV cards unless you want to grab from a set top box
[12:22:19] juski: get a dvb-t tuner for Freeview
[12:22:38] juski: plenty of USB ones which'll work in linux – and if it works in linux it generally works with mythtv
[12:22:44] ehird`: freeview isn't in this area. :/
[12:23:08] juski: so you'll be buying a tuner that'll be worthless in 4 or 5 years time, just so you know
[12:23:18] juski: oops I mean 4 years or less
[12:23:29] ehird`: because of the analog turnoff?
[12:23:33] juski: aye
[12:23:40] ehird`: yeah; well i'm going to think about that when i come to it
[12:23:56] ehird`: my current plan is to run around the country with signs saying "THE END IS NIGH"
[12:24:00] juski: that limits you to a Hauppauge PVRUSB2
[12:24:08] juski: which (kind of) works in linux
[12:24:30] juski: so now you need to rethink your plan
[12:24:35] ehird`: ;)
[12:24:40] ehird`: i could install linux on the macbook, heh
[12:24:52] ehird`: but then that's just buying an expensive laptop for the hell of it
[12:25:13] ehird`: well; at least this way i'll get more spec for my money
[12:25:18] juski: there are USB analogue tuners which work in OS X but whether mythtv will work with them or not is unknown
[12:25:30] ehird`: sounds like linux is the way to g
[12:25:31] ehird`: *go
[12:25:40] juski: just assemble a cheap PC & use that as the always-on backend
[12:25:54] juski: by cheap I mean like bottom-spec, 512MB RAM..
[12:26:05] juski: you could prolly put something together for way less than £200
[12:26:13] ehird`: would really rather a laptop than a cheap PC; space is an issue here
[12:26:22] ehird`: with a laptop i can just close the top and put it just about anywhere
[12:26:35] juski: are laptops really designed to be left on 24/7 ?
[12:26:38] juski: I doubt it
[12:26:59] ehird`: i'm pretty sure i've seen people run webservers etc on laptops
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[12:27:34] ehird`: http://www.google.com/search?q=leaving%20laptop%20on%2024/7
[12:27:43] ehird`: first few results are positive
[12:27:46] ehird`: or at least non-negative
[12:28:00] ehird`: of course, this would be plugged into the mains
[12:28:46] juski: then if you don't plan on recording much TV, I doubt mythtv would be suited to you
[12:29:12] ehird`: depends on your definition of much
[12:29:44] juski: though if you do use it, you'll probably find you'll not sit idly channel surfing as much as you used to – or not at all. used properly you can end up spending time doing much better things
[12:31:05] ehird`: i guess my decision really depends on what price i can get the whole system, laptop and all, set up
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[12:34:21] ehird`: and that'll need quite a bit of research :)
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[12:49:22] cout: rats
[12:51:46] ehird`: mice
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[13:09:50] juski: woo the post has arrived. my car is now paid for :)
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[13:14:00] juski: gbee: afternoon. making good progress with all this lineup stuff now
[13:14:39] juski: got all the xmltvids for virgin media & sky. got the icons for channels with xmltvids. gonna chase up the icons for channels with no xmltvid now
[13:15:24] juski: then I need to arrange the sky stuff into packages, do freesat, freeview (both a doddle) and make my clever scripts
[13:16:04] juski: all the data will have to be verified of course, and that's where I'll need help
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[13:24:15] gbee: just working on the lookup table for weather icon data
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[13:26:25] juski: cool :)
[13:30:20] juski: tell you what gbee I had no idea the UK had so many useless blimmin channels
[13:30:32] gbee: heh
[13:32:20] juski: my sky.xml file has 4174 lines, about 8 lines per channel
[13:32:38] juski: easily over 500 channels!
[13:32:45] juski: why?!
[13:33:06] gbee: just how bad are the ATi linux drivers, say for use with a machine which is only ever going to be used for office/internet work?
[13:34:01] juski: I've seen that awful 3d desktop thing running on a laptop with ati graphics
[13:34:08] juski: it worked well
[13:34:30] gbee: juski: so they can sell muppets "500 channels", little do they realise that maybe less than 5% of those might have something worth watching
[13:35:08] g3k: but they can spend hours channel surffing
[13:35:16] juski: hours/days/weeks/months/years
[13:35:19] gbee: cool, ok, I'm just doing some research – my parents are looking for a replacement laptop but want the cheapest they can get
[13:35:33] juski: gbee: might not be any good for mythtv
[13:35:48] gbee:
[13:36:29] gbee: juski: doesn't have to be, they've already got a frontend, this is just for my mum to write letters, send emails etc :)
[13:38:40] juski: £300 you say? not bad
[13:39:01] juski: might get meself a lappy for christmas
[13:39:20] gbee: I'm insisting that they remove Vista and install Kbuntu, should mean I'm not asked to fix problems so frequently – should run faster than Vista too
[13:40:17] g3k: gbee: What about a second hand unit? doesn't sound like there is any need for a new computer.
[13:40:23] gbee: this model is a little light on RAM, 512Mb, but I can pick up a cheap stick for them as an upgrade in 3/4 months, might not need it
[13:41:23] gbee: g3k: prefer new when it comes to a laptop, at least then you've got the manufacturers warranty and they are getting something that isn't scratched to pieces
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[13:42:24] g3k: good point. my wife was using an old dell that someone gave me for free. 330mhz but it was good for web surfing
[13:43:01] g3k: she just broke the screen so I guess I have a new firewall :( :)
[13:43:06] gbee: :)
[13:44:57] gbee: laptop is preferred to a desktop, it can be stored in a cupboard when it's not being used, but their old laptop (10 years) is literally falling to pieces, the screen is no longer attached to the rest, when it's being used they prop it up against a pile of books ;)
[13:45:24] juski: I'd always be suspicious of battery life on a 2nd hand laptop – plus the fact that the 2nd hand prices on ebay are just fricking stupid
[13:46:07] gbee: juski: there is that too, I wouldn't feel like I was getting a bargin on Ebay because the prices always seem far too high for second hand kit
[13:46:09] Dagmar: Hey man, stolen notebooks are hard to come by
[13:46:24] Dagmar: Those guys have to pay premium for machines to tear apart to sell as spare parts
[13:46:48] Dagmar: Nevermind that they have to throw the pieces with serial numbers on them out, and there's the cost of ink for modifying the serial numbers on batteries...
[13:47:06] Dagmar: s/on them/engraved on them/;
[13:47:20] gbee: not too concerned about battery life in this case, it might get used for 30 minutes, maybe three times a week, during which I'm pretty sure my mum will chose to plug it in anyway
[13:47:31] juski: ebayers are probably the most stupid people around anyway, pushing the price up to beyond shop prices
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[13:47:45] mr_dd: hello
[13:47:51] Dagmar: alkos333: Dunno, I generally just use rsync -rlHtSv --delete rsync://rsync.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-12.0 /space/ where /space/ contains /space/slackware-12.0
[13:47:56] mr_dd: where can i find the password .txt file ?
[13:47:57] Dagmar: whoops
[13:48:11] juski: mr_dd: the file is mysql.txt the locate command is handy for finding files
[13:48:12] Dagmar: mr_dd: A number of places, although more htan one is bad
[13:48:14] gbee: juski: yeah, they always assume that no matter what they pay, it must be a bargin because they bought it on Ebay
[13:48:33] mr_dd: thanks
[13:48:43] juski: mr_dd: you running on ubuntu perchance?
[13:50:16] mr_dd: yes — it's ubuntu 70.4
[13:50:18] mr_dd: 7.04
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[13:50:31] mr_dd: locate isn't working
[13:51:01] juski: then the password you need will be in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[13:51:16] juski: the installer would have told you
[13:51:23] gbee:
[13:51:24] mr_dd: i know- but i've forgot
[13:51:44] mr_dd: thanks fpor helping me
[13:52:23] juski: mr_dd: np. pay more attention to those pesky popup messages in future ;)
[13:53:01] mr_dd: i will
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[14:00:31] mr_dd: hi – it's me again
[14:01:04] mr_dd: i've another problem, the mythtv frontend starts my x-server when i press finish
[14:01:51] mr_dd: and when i try to open the next time, i've the same thing again
[14:02:51] juski: I think you should search for "ubuntu community documentation mythtv" on google. the ubuntu community docs will tell you where you've gone wrong
[14:03:05] Daviey: because they rock \o/
[14:03:08] juski: I think you should've setup mythtv as a combined frontend/backend AND desktop machine
[14:03:10] Daviey: (apparently)
[14:03:26] juski: they rock as far as installing mythtv on ubuntu goes :)
[14:09:12] Dagmar: ...and as a toaster and hamster-policher
[14:09:18] Dagmar: s/policher/polisher/;
[14:09:40] Dagmar: Hamsters tend to get kind of dull and unattractive. MythTV should be able to polish them nice and shiny.
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[14:24:19] ** ehird` searches around for a cheap laptop **
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[14:29:36] ehird`: is there any real suggestions for a mythtv-backend laptop apart from "lots of HD"?
[14:29:59] juski: you mean loads of HDD space
[14:30:09] juski: plenty USB ports for tuners
[14:30:39] juski: preferably nvidia or intel onboard graphics. ATI sucks for mythtv use
[14:31:02] ehird`: why would a gfx card matter if it's just a dumb server?
[14:31:08] ehird`: it'll run the backend only
[14:31:13] Syphn: mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:31:23] Syphn: can i compile this manually?
[14:31:40] ehird`: (so, i take it usb tuners are the "reccomended" norm instead of internal ones)
[14:32:09] g3k: for a laptop.
[14:32:48] ehird`: ok
[14:32:52] juski: ehird`: ehird` internal tuners, for a laptop? in linux? you've got to be kidding
[14:32:55] gbee: ehird`: well there aren't really many (any) ExpressCard, PCMCIA tuners
[14:33:20] gbee: usb tuners are more widely available and most of them work under linux
[14:33:21] Dagmar: There are a couple of miniPCI tuners I've heard of tho
[14:33:23] juski: I'd still say to lump for a proper machine for the backend. it doesn't have to be big
[14:33:36] Dagmar: Probably better to use USB and keep the miniPCI for 802.11
[14:33:46] gbee: aye
[14:34:07] ehird`: juski: a laptop is a small square that can go anywhere. a desktop computer is a big rectangle that needs a carefully-planned space.
[14:34:36] juski: ehird`: yeah but for analogue tv on a USB tuner your options are severely limited
[14:34:58] juski: plus if it's only gonna be a backend, what are you planning to use as a frontend?
[14:35:02] Dagmar: It's not a square.
[14:35:07] Dagmar: It's a hexahedron.
[14:35:16] juski: gbee: victory! www.juski.co.uk/sky.xml :D
[14:35:22] gbee: http://pastebin.ca/677949 << not too bad timing wise, haven't even given much thought to optimisations yet
[14:35:47] gbee: XML Parsing Error: mismatched tag. Expected: </icon>.Location: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/sky.xmlLine Number 238, Column 3:
[14:35:52] Syphn: can anyone help me with --> mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:35:55] juski: gbee: lol
[14:35:57] gbee: :D
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[14:36:26] ehird`: juski: the frontend will probably run on my desktop computer
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[14:37:10] XLV: ehird`, bad choices.. laptop hdds are pricier for the same capacity, and even now they dont exceed 250GB.. also laptops arent designed to run 24/7
[14:37:13] g3k: Syphn: have you looked at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/286208
[14:37:31] ehird`: XLV: plenty of people run laptops 24/7
[14:37:49] XLV: build a desktop as a backend, stiuf it somewhere where noise doesnt bother you, for frontend you could even use a xbox 1
[14:37:51] juski: ehird`: I think you're going about it all wrong
[14:37:52] gbee: XLV: mine has run 24/7 for almost 2 years
[14:38:16] Dagmar: ehird`: They aren't designed for that tho
[14:38:32] XLV: ehird`, yeah, and a lots more got laptops died of thermal death.. their vents accumulate dust and need of cleaning etc
[14:38:34] juski: laptop drives aren't designed for such high duty
[14:38:43] Dagmar: Unless you are very religious about cleaning the laptop in a matter that will void the warranty, they will NOT last very long used like that
[14:38:43] gbee: though I wouldn't pick a laptop for a backend myself, I'd grab a small form factor case/mobo with enough space for 2/3 tuners and a couple of HDDs
[14:39:10] gbee: a headless backend would be cheaper than a (new) laptop
[14:39:24] juski: and you could easy fit a 750GB HDD :)
[14:39:47] Syphn: g3k: yes i'm looking at that now ...
[14:39:52] juski: but hey if you want to go about making a mythtv system in such a half-arsed way, go ahead. don't let common sense stop you
[14:40:01] XLV: yeah, a xbox used and chipped is like 50–60E, and it will look nicer in the htpc system
[14:40:17] juski: xbox look nice? hahahahaha
[14:40:28] juski: fugly & noisy, that's my xbox
[14:40:36] XLV: juski, than any desktop case near htpc system? i think so
[14:40:41] gbee: xbox can't be used for a backend
[14:40:46] XLV: gbee, front end
[14:40:51] Syphn: g3k: /usr/local/lib is in my /etc/ld.so.conf & /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.2.so.0 exists. however ldconfig doesn't not exist
[14:40:58] juski: xbox with linux on it.. S L O W !
[14:41:07] juski: slow to boot, frustrating to use. nasty
[14:41:35] juski: linux on any device with 32MB RAM – esp. with X.. yuk!
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[14:41:54] gbee:
[14:41:59] Dagmar: Wow your shit is *busted* then
[14:42:16] XLV: juski, it will be on 24/7.. for just a frontend intel P3 @ 700 is sufficient.. and xbox has iirc 64MB ram
[14:42:31] mr_dd: i've again a question (i'm sry) – where can is set the configuration for the database, in the web-frontend (i haven't found anything in the internet)
[14:42:34] juski: yeah it has 64MB, but the graphics take 32 of that :-P
[14:43:00] juski: mr_dd: did you read the readme for mythweb?
[14:43:05] mr_dd: yes
[14:43:06] iamben: ok, this sucks. i have set mythtv to fetch listings via tv_grab_na_dd, but for some reason when i go into the setup it attempts to fetch them via mythtv's internal SD thing
[14:43:17] Dagmar: mr_dd: Lies do not amuse us
[14:43:20] XLV: juski, with no option to alter that, i assume.. is it that bad? i was thinking of getting one as a frontend for the other room
[14:43:22] iamben: if i can get it to cancel that, when it shows the config screen, tv_grab_na_dd is still enabled
[14:43:30] mr_dd: Dagmar: i'm not liein
[14:43:32] mr_dd: g
[14:43:34] juski: XLV: it works, it's just slow as hell
[14:43:36] iamben: WHY does it still attempt to use the internal fetcher?
[14:43:53] juski: iamben: some settings need a restart of the backend to take hold
[14:43:55] Dagmar: mr_dd: Then take his question as a hint. read the readme for mythweb and it TELLS you what to do
[14:43:58] GreyFoxx: iamben: because you have to tell the internal grabb not to ?
[14:44:08] GreyFoxx: iamben: Why not use the internalgrabber anyway ?
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[14:44:16] laga: re
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[14:44:29] iamben: GreyFoxx: i changed it from internal to tv_grab_na_dd, exited mythtv-setup, and restarted teh backend
[14:44:38] gbee: GreyFoxx: his ISPs proxy blocks the internal grabber
[14:44:39] iamben: internal doesnt work for me due to a proxy issue i can not get around
[14:44:49] GreyFoxx: gbee: Hmmm huh ?
[14:44:58] gbee: don't ask me!
[14:45:00] GreyFoxx: wow
[14:45:03] iamben: tv_grab_na_dd works GREAT in mythtv
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[14:45:11] GreyFoxx: yet the xmltv grabber works? wtf?
[14:45:15] GreyFoxx: It's just a webcall
[14:45:30] iamben: but every time i go to that area in mythtv-setup it still tries to use the internal grabber first
[14:45:50] iamben: GreyFoxx: something to do with the way its sending the auth info, i get 401 authorization errors from the wget call
[14:46:05] GreyFoxx: crazy
[14:46:24] gbee: iamben: you don't have two videosources defined, one still using the internal grabber?
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[14:46:48] ehird`: fine; forget the laptop idea
[14:46:51] iamben: teh only way i can get into the setup for the grabber is to temporarily redirect my DNS for SD to localhost, so it fails quickly
[14:46:55] ehird`: what are the general guidelines for normal compuers?
[14:47:00] iamben: gbee: just one source
[14:47:20] mr_dd: Dagmar: in the readme is everywhere "edit" the htaccess – but there is no htaccess file
[14:47:21] ** gbee wonders if some part of the code assumes that the internal grabber should be used if a username/password is defined etc **
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[14:47:40] juski: mr_dd: it's not htaccess. it's .htaccess
[14:47:46] iamben: it wouldnt be an issue if the internal grabber would eventually give up, but since it's getting a 401, it retries infinitely
[14:47:48] mr_dd: yes
[14:47:48] juski: a simple ls will not show it
[14:48:12] gbee: juski: Line Number 277, Column 16:
[14:48:18] laga: juski: hey there
[14:48:18] iamben: if i redirect to localhost so it gets "connection refused", it fails and give up immediately, and i get right into the setup
[14:48:19] gbee: & should be &amp;
[14:48:33] juski: gbee: crap. well I said 'pseudo xml'
[14:48:52] juski: I'll call it a .txt file
[14:48:59] gbee: juski: heh, can't do a search & replace with whatever editor you are using?
[14:49:04] juski: course I can
[14:49:14] juski: but I'm not having &amp shite in my files
[14:49:17] iamben: sorry, i misspoke, it does eventually fail after 20 retries, so i can get in
[14:49:47] gbee: juski: a proper xml parser (XML::Simple) will just convert that back to & anyway when we come to use it
[14:49:48] iamben: but IMMEDIATELY after the internal fetcher fails it takes me to the setup screen where xmltv's grabber is clearly enabled, not the internal one =(
[14:50:08] juski: gbee: that being the case I'll go with &amp rubbish then
[14:50:29] XLV: juski, so for a low-power low-noise frontend the only route is mini-itx? any of those network media players can be hacked to get linux (embedded preferably, if hdd can be avoided and some solid state ram used it would be nice ) and mythtv-frontend?
[14:51:00] GreyFoxx: XLV: It might be a little more work than you want but you can use an MSNTV stb
[14:51:09] GreyFoxx: I've got 4 of them in use
[14:51:20] gbee: iamben: sounds like a bug to me, mind reporting it to svn.mythtv.org ?
[14:51:27] juski: XLV: I'd avoid mini-itx if I were you, specifically epia stuff.
[14:51:37] GreyFoxx: celeron 733's 128 meg of ram, boots off a cf card, usb2, modem, 10/100 ether, no fans so dead silent
[14:51:55] juski: my epia m10k really struggles to play mpeg2 sdtv and it shouldn't
[14:52:11] juski: the problem lies in the distro I use, but I've yet to get around to sorting out my own
[14:52:22] GreyFoxx: or if you get your hands on an S100 that might be a good option
[14:52:31] juski: too many little projects to keep me busy
[14:52:55] mr_dd: okay. the problem was my sftp client.... – thanks
[14:53:30] juski: hmmm maybe I'll get myself an ipod for my holiday next week
[14:54:42] juski: if only there was a nice looking (with a great UI) portable audio player which didn't suck
[14:54:50] iamben: gbee: yeah im on it
[14:55:01] juski: forget creative, forget Sony, definitely forget Samsung
[14:55:12] juski: looks like I'm stuck with Apple
[14:57:29] juski: GreyFoxx: about your msntv OS – you got a package list you used for slack somewhere?
[14:57:35] gbee: nice looking isn't that important to me, considering it's going to spend 99% of the time in a pocket
[14:57:51] juski: I never had much luck paring a default slack install down
[14:58:10] juski: gbee: nice looking tends to go hand in hand with a nice easy to navigate ui
[14:58:29] juski: I bought a cheap & nasty hdd based player from ebay ages ago & man it sucked
[14:58:59] juski: so apple patented the wheel thing – that shouldn't prevent other companies making easy to use product
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[14:59:36] gbee: cheap flash Sandisk one I had was ok in the UI department, although probably not great for custom ordered playlists it was perfect for my uses
[14:59:44] juski: the last player I had a go of – a samsung yepp thing made mythmusic look like the easiest app in the world to use
[15:00:17] bluey-: why not an ipod with rockbox?
[15:00:43] juski: if I get an ipod I'm not overwriting the OS when it's perfectly ok
[15:01:17] juski: that's my whole point. the ipod & its software are pretty close to perfect. nothing else is even coming close
[15:01:24] gbee: something supporting ogg would be nice
[15:01:26] bluey-: well both run fine on the current gen without touching each other
[15:01:41] Dagmar: Definitely no touching each other
[15:01:51] bluey-: then get one :) i guess next week they will release new one
[15:01:56] juski: I really like the look of the sony ones, but you're limited to using their evil SonicStage software
[15:01:57] bluey-: i already sold mine :x
[15:02:17] juski: I learned my lesson about SonicStage when I got a Network MD player
[15:03:24] Syphn: anyone have any idea about this: "The Server uses network protocol version 26, buit this client only understands version 31. Make sure you are running compatiable versions of the backend and frontend."
[15:03:31] juski: hmm now how am I gonna split up this xml file into Sky package groups?
[15:03:31] bluey-: isn't SonicStage transcoding everything to atrac?
[15:03:39] Syphn: I had Mythtv-Suite -.19 instlaled and i just compiled 0.20.2
[15:03:46] juski: Syphn: erm.. that error is telling you everything you need to know
[15:04:06] juski: Syphn: you should have uninstalled the packages first
[15:04:18] Syphn: juski: to late to uninstall?
[15:04:23] juski: probably not
[15:04:36] juski: if it is the worst that can happen is you'll need to run make install again
[15:04:54] Syphn: juski: my settings will all stay no?
[15:05:06] juski: uninstalling software shouldn't touch the database
[15:05:13] juski: but you've got a backup of that already, right
[15:05:16] Syphn: sweet ...
[15:05:34] Syphn: yup ...
[15:05:43] ** juski stands back in amazement! **
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[15:06:07] Syphn: he he
[15:06:22] Syphn: now i just have to figure out how to unisntall the rpm package?
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[15:07:36] ehird`: =/
[15:08:24] Syphn: can i do that with rpm?
[15:09:43] Syphn: i originally installed it wil apt-get, but I can't seem to apt-get anymore
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[15:11:09] Syphn: juski: would i have to uninstall it, would it not work if i were to run the backend and the frontend of the same version?
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[15:26:49] Syphn: hmmm ...
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[15:29:14] XLV: Syphn, what distrib?
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[15:33:39] kash: what's the best SD digital cable box for serial control? i've got a DCT-2224 and apparently charter can't enable the serial port.
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[15:36:34] Syphn: fc4
[15:38:54] Syphn: i know i know ... :-(
[15:39:23] XLV: and why you messed rpm, deb packages and source compiles?
[15:39:47] laga: i learned not to ask those questions
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[15:40:09] Syphn: well i coldn't find the rpm for fc4 for mythtv 0.20.2
[15:41:04] iamben: really a noob question, but when running mythfilldatabase --manual, what is supposed to go in the "callsign" field for each chan?
[15:41:17] iamben: im not sure of the difference between name, callsign, and channum fields
[15:41:37] Syphn: 0.20.2 seems to be installed, just need to get the server / cleint running in sync
[15:42:19] iamben: oh and the channel id # too
[15:44:02] Syphn: the i can be helped?
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[15:44:17] XLV: Syphn, this <Syphn> anyone have any idea about this: "The Server uses network protocol version 26, buit this client only understands version 31. Make sure you are running compatiable versions of the backend and frontend." means you got a messed up installation.. seems client is newer version than server, why dont you download a newer distrib ( like ubuntu which has precompiled 0.20.2 packages ) and start from the beginning again?
[15:44:56] Syphn: well i could, i was just hoping not to have to ...
[15:45:40] Syphn: XLV: would that not mean im running the old backend and the new client?
[15:45:49] XLV: most likely
[15:46:08] okolsi_: DVB related question.. one new encrypted channel can be viewed but there is not EIT data. I somehow remember that serviceid is the key info in DB to get EIT
[15:46:11] laga: juski: i've finally finished my vga->scart thingy. :)
[15:46:17] okolsi_: +working.. is is so?
[15:46:17] Syphn: could i not uninstall the old mythtv-suite rpm?
[15:46:39] laga: juski: playback is stuttery sometimes, though :(
[15:47:33] iamben: another minor issue: when using mythfilldatabase --manual, it prompts me to input data for each channel, then it starts fetching guide info, but then when it goes to fetch the next days' programming, it prompts me for them all over again
[15:47:57] Syphn: XLV: i just don't know how to unstall the mythtv-suite rpm
[15:47:59] iamben: it has the options still saved from before, but i have to press enter a hundred times and wait for the next day to dl, then press enter a bunch again... why?
[15:48:10] juski: laga: cool.. bad about the stutterring though – tell me about it
[15:48:26] XLV: Syphn, http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/rpm.8.html
[15:48:40] XLV: the -e option is the one you need
[15:48:53] XLV: i suppose, havent used rpm for ages
[15:49:05] laga: juski: yeah :/ wonder if it's something with XV. i'll try mplayer
[15:49:43] juski: one thing I noticed about the version of minimyth I've got is that glxgears reports only like 150fps
[15:50:21] laga: that's not a lot. but remember that glxgears is not a benchmark ;)
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[15:50:30] juski: that might well be the root of my playback problems in later versions
[15:50:44] luke_: Has anyone been able to get sound to stream over upnp with hd recordings yet?
[15:50:48] laga: juski: oddly enough, playback is ubersmooth using the regular tv-out. some things are just bound to drive you crazy
[15:51:23] Syphn: XLV: says mythtv-suite not installed, can i get a listing of installed packages
[15:51:41] juski: svideo is good enough for me
[15:52:09] juski: Syphn: there are certain things you have to understand when undertaking to build mythtv yourself – it's not for noobs ;)
[15:52:13] XLV: Syphn, you got to query the package name first, to find exact name it has in the rpm package manager, maybe its mythtv-suite-0.20.2 eg
[15:54:55] juski: hmmm. seems the sky still hasn't fallen down yet
[15:55:47] GreyFoxx: juski: ?
[15:56:18] ehird`: ;s
[15:56:26] ** GreyFoxx is waiting for the rush of "omfg j2L is gone... what am I gonna do?!?!?" to start **
[15:56:39] juski: that's what I mean ;)
[15:56:40] GreyFoxx: though it might be afew days for the majority of them to notice
[15:56:55] laga: heh
[15:57:11] Syphn: XLV: got the list no mythtv-suite, but i should be able to uninstall all mythtv packages
[15:58:16] laga: juski: stuttering seems to be OK with kerneldeint now. :(
[15:59:12] juski: deinterlacing? with vga-scart? I thought the whole point was to get proper interlaced output
[15:59:49] juski: you know sometimes I envy the likes of the dbox2 & dreambox, with their proper mpeg2 decoders & proper PAL video outputs
[15:59:52] laga: juski: i was also hunting for better image quality. composite is not that great
[15:59:56] laga: true
[16:00:24] juski: somebody should have a go at making mythfrontend work on a dreambox
[16:00:38] laga: composite: bad colours, smooth video. rgb: great colours & crispness, stuttery video. :/
[16:00:43] juski: then again, in 32MB ram it won't be much fun
[16:00:54] laga: heh
[16:01:26] juski: when I'm done with this channel wizard thing I'm on with I might pick up the s100 again
[16:01:49] juski: can you remember if the intel vga thing can do interlaced modes?
[16:02:11] laga: juski: um, i don't know. the s100 can do RGB, though. bobdeint works well there
[16:02:30] juski: yeah I know the tv out is better than anything I've ever seen over rgb
[16:02:44] laga: yep
[16:03:25] laga: i wish i had a 100Hz TV set, the menus are quite flickery without the flicker filter ;)
[16:03:42] juski: nah the 100hz TVs I've seen are crap
[16:04:15] juski: I wonder if it's possible to get a nvidia ramdac to output RGB PAL..
[16:04:22] juski: that'd be something!
[16:04:52] laga: i'm currently using an nvidia card with this converter thing
[16:04:59] juski: if ATI crap can do component and other nvidia cards can do component..
[16:05:18] juski: maybe their TV encoder could do RGB & is just missing a wire for one of the colour signals
[16:05:40] laga: AFAIK the tv encoders are inside the gpu.. at least for newer cards
[16:06:02] juski: yeah I know, but there might be a via you can pick the extra signal up from
[16:06:27] laga: why not build a scart adapter?
[16:06:31] juski: I already know you could mod a board with an external tv encoder
[16:06:46] juski: laga: cos then you miss out on the excellent flicker filter ;)
[16:06:56] laga: bah
[16:07:06] laga: flicker filter is for wimps ;)
[16:07:20] juski: the nvidia deflicker is excellent – does away with the need to deinterlace & doesn't seem to soften the picture too much
[16:08:00] juski: the new video rendering can deinterlace the video but not the osd IIRC – that'd be pretty cool
[16:08:26] juski: so no more bobbing up & down OSD :)
[16:08:27] laga: i'd love to try mythtv-vid indeed, but it's not compatible to trunk
[16:08:36] juski: yet
[16:08:59] laga: well, protocol version was changed to 3600 or something
[16:11:02] laga: juski: playback frame rate is meandering here, eg 24.8x, 25.08 etc
[16:11:08] laga: do you think this could cause stuttering?
[16:12:55] juski: I see that when I get stuttering
[16:13:07] juski: I think the playback timing is all to hell
[16:13:13] laga: bah
[16:13:27] laga: i wonder what causes that
[16:13:58] juski: the method used to determine how far ahead the video is against the audio for one
[16:14:23] laga: "use video as timebase"? have you tried that?
[16:14:27] juski: sometimes bad refresh rate detection too
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[16:14:42] juski: though I think I remember seeing that fixed in trunk
[16:15:16] laga: "> This patch adds a "Use video as timebase" option, which displays the video
[16:15:19] laga: > at a constant rate and dynamically warps the audio speed to correct drift. "
[16:15:22] laga: i'll definitely try that
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[16:15:52] laga: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ot%3B;#17121
[16:15:54] laga: yeah, looks useful
[16:15:55] juski: doesn't help mine any
[16:16:40] juski: I still can't help but wonder how good playback in minimyth would be if it didn't always use SVN openchrome & xorg
[16:16:46] laga: heh
[16:16:58] laga: my mythfrontend tends to hang today. weird.
[16:16:59] juski: it used to be fabulous
[16:17:20] juski: and if it didn't take all day & all night to build it I'd play with it some
[16:17:56] laga: this is looking much better
[16:18:00] laga: cool.
[16:18:21] laga: juski: get out that s100, install feisty, install mythtv and be happy.
[16:18:59] juski: get out the s100, install feisty, install mythtv, get out the bondo, mod the front panel plastic to bits..
[16:19:10] laga: heh
[16:20:13] Dagmar: Don't forget the 1/16" white tape so you can add racing stripes.
[16:21:11] juski: and the annoying flashing cold cathode lamps :-p
[16:22:50] ehird`: what's a small form-factor computer that's known to work well with mythtv?
[16:22:58] ehird`: specs etc
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[16:23:06] laga: juski: fps is now fixed around 25.08 :(
[16:28:06] juski: I hate playback problems. so tricky to pin down most of the time
[16:28:11] laga: yeah
[16:28:13] laga: um
[16:28:20] laga: i didn't know you could pin them down
[16:28:26] laga: it's voodoo. :/
[16:28:28] juski: when there are 6 different settings to play with in different combinations.. yuck
[16:29:00] juski: I'm gonna try disabling agpdma on my epia box, see if it helps with the newer minimyth playback issues
[16:29:32] juski: after that there's really only ubuntu to try again, or go with a minimal slack install on nfsroot
[16:29:32] laga: "video as timebase" seems to have improved it, but it's still not completely OK
[16:29:59] laga: i wonder if mythtv-vid will improve it. at least i'll be able to deinterlace DVB recordings which are not 720x576
[16:30:11] juski: problem on mine seems to be myth thinks it's running out of audio buffers so it screws the playback rate around
[16:30:23] juski: it's fine when dvb recordings only have one audio stream
[16:30:45] juski: that's what makes me think it's an xvmc problem
[16:31:13] laga: hum
[16:31:35] juski: stupid dvb anyway, with it's offset audio & video
[16:31:39] laga: heh
[16:32:20] Syphn: XLV: looks like all of the mythtv packages are uninstalled, and not getting that error anymore :-)
[16:32:49] juski: I just can't get my head around all that audio description stuff anyway
[16:33:04] laga: there's too many settings. blah
[16:33:35] juski: subtitles I can understand the need for. but AD tracks? heh
[16:33:57] juski: ah but they're so blind people can watch TV. there's something wrong with the logic of that statement
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[16:39:57] juski: laga: been beavering away like an idiot on this little lot: http://juski.co.uk/sky.xml
[16:40:14] Aval0n: dang it
[16:40:22] Aval0n: i had my picture lookin so nice with denoise3d
[16:40:28] juski: Aval0n: learn to frickin swear properly
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[16:40:39] Aval0n: and now with .20.2 I get these verticle lines
[16:40:39] juski: dang is not a real word :-P
[16:40:42] Aval0n: haha ok juski
[16:40:48] Aval0n: fricking is
[16:40:50] Aval0n: :)
[16:40:58] Hoochster: dagnabit is proper
[16:41:02] juski: golly gosh!
[16:41:05] Aval0n: hahaha
[16:41:10] juski: jimminy jinikins!
[16:41:19] Aval0n: son of a biscuit eater!
[16:41:28] juski: son of a carpet muncher!
[16:41:30] Syphn: i'm trying to get the mythbackend to start on boot (/sbin/chkconfig mythbackend on) but i'm getting: error reading information on service mythbackend:
[16:41:35] Aval0n: haha
[16:42:03] Aval0n: ok juski let me rephrase
[16:42:24] Aval0n: even since my update to .20.2 I've got these fucking verticle lines, that are really pissing me off.
[16:42:30] Aval0n: with denoise3d
[16:42:34] Aval0n: better?
[16:42:41] juski: not at all
[16:42:50] juski: this is a family channel :-P
[16:42:57] Aval0n: hahahaha
[16:43:13] Aval0n: I've got these vertical lines that are really upsettings me?
[16:43:17] ** juski knows how it became a family channel too.. there was a mammy channel & a daddy channel... **
[16:43:21] Aval0n: upsetting
[16:43:40] juski: a screengrab might help diagnose it
[16:43:53] Aval0n: ah ok what's the button for that?
[16:45:51] Aval0n: or is it not so easy?
[16:47:17] Dagmar: Syphn: That's because you need to contact who made your mythtv binaries and find out how they expected it to be done
[16:48:04] Aval0n: eh?
[16:49:27] Syphn: Dagmar: i just finished compiling them :-(
[16:49:41] Dagmar: Then you need to read the rest of the documentation.
[16:49:54] Dagmar: You are operating far out of your depth if you expected that command to do anything.
[16:50:13] Syphn: he he
[16:50:17] Syphn: yuo are correct!
[16:52:09] Aval0n: syphnn /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop
[16:52:14] Aval0n: syphnn /etc/init.d/mythbackend -v all
[16:52:59] Syphn: No such file or directory
[16:53:03] juski: -bash: syphnn: command not found
[16:53:09] Aval0n: hahaha
[16:53:20] juski is now known as sudo
[16:53:20] Aval0n: juski, how do I do a screengrab?
[16:53:27] Aval0n: there you go
[16:53:35] Aval0n: sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop
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[16:53:40] Aval0n: sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend -v all
[16:53:53] Aval0n: juski's watching eyes are still around
[16:54:00] Aval0n: I think he's hittin the peace pipe this morning
[16:54:03] Aval0n: :)
[16:54:21] Syphn: Aval0n: No such file or directory
[16:54:36] Aval0n: are you root or sudo'ing?
[16:54:39] Syphn: if i run mythbackend it runs fine
[16:54:46] Syphn: root
[16:54:51] Aval0n: what distro
[16:54:55] Syphn: fc4
[16:55:17] Aval0n: updatedb &
[16:55:25] Aval0n: when it finishes locate mythtbackend
[16:55:31] Aval0n: mythbackend
[16:55:42] Aval0n: probably /etc/init.d/ /etc/rc.d/init.d
[16:55:49] Aval0n: whatever I dunno I don't use fedora
[16:56:14] Syphn: one second
[16:56:44] Syphn: Aval0n:/usr/local/bin/mythbackend
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[16:56:56] Aval0n: that's the only place it resides?
[16:57:08] Aval0n: /usr/local/bin/mythbackend stop
[16:57:12] Aval0n: /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all
[16:57:16] Aval0n: <Shrug>
[16:57:21] Aval0n: sorry I'm not really an expert myself
[16:57:27] Aval0n: that should work though
[16:57:31] Syphn: np i appricate the help :-)
[16:57:58] Aval0n: why on earth would denoise3d be causing lines all of the suddne
[16:58:29] Syphn: Aval0n: it ran, so if i reboot tit should start every time?
[16:58:36] Syphn: it
[16:58:49] Aval0n: erm
[16:58:50] Aval0n: no
[16:58:56] Syphn: o ... he he
[16:58:56] Aval0n: you compiled manually?
[16:59:02] Syphn: yup
[16:59:03] Aval0n: .20.2?
[16:59:05] Syphn: yup
[16:59:11] Aval0n: you did the qmakes?
[16:59:16] Aval0n: and then make | make install ?
[16:59:45] Aval0n: I think for fedora
[16:59:59] Aval0n: you use ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
[17:00:06] Aval0n: but i'de double check that
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[17:00:29] Aval0n: if you never did make install, it wouldn't have put the stuff into starting services
[17:01:06] Syphn: i did the make install, but i then uninstalled all the old myth 0.19 rpms afterwards ...
[17:01:10] Syphn: should i make install again?
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[17:02:00] Syphn: i was folling the docs on http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 when in compiled
[17:02:04] Syphn: following
[17:03:12] Aval0n: you did it backwards methinks
[17:03:27] Aval0n: removing the package afterword probably deleted the mythbackened out of your /etc/init.d/
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[17:03:33] Syphn: probably ...
[17:03:50] Aval0n: make uninstall everything you have
[17:03:53] Aval0n: start fresh
[17:04:03] Aval0n: compile in this order
[17:04:07] Aval0n: mythtv, plugins, themes
[17:04:10] Syphn: so any idea where i should pick up? ./configure | make -j 2 or ?
[17:04:18] Syphn: ok
[17:04:23] Aval0n: for mythtv
[17:04:23] GreyFoxx: make install wont install an initscript for you though. You will need to do that yourself
[17:04:41] Aval0n: hmm I never did mine myself
[17:04:48] Aval0n: perhaps it was from the .20 ubuntu package
[17:04:52] GreyFoxx: likely
[17:05:06] Aval0n: man these lines are driving me crazy
[17:05:11] Syphn: so is that all i need a initscript?
[17:05:26] Aval0n: probably
[17:05:53] Syphn: hmmm
[17:06:13] Aval0n: is .20.2 a real ubuntu package yet?
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[17:06:39] Syphn: are they eary to make?
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[17:07:06] Syphn: wasy
[17:07:11] Syphn: easy
[17:07:26] Aval0n: sudo cat
[17:07:27] Aval0n: err
[17:07:50] Cyberai: I just upgraded to SVN from source and I'm getting the message that my client needs protocol 35, but my server uses 31. I've been all over google/the wiki but can't find out how to fix this. Can anyone help?
[17:08:17] strgout: ok, so i don't have a tv and.. i'm a cheap bastard.. but i have a ps2 (used to live with someone that had a tv).. so i've been poking around and from what i've found there isn't anything i can do about the delay with a pvr-250. Is that still true?
[17:08:26] GreyFoxx: Cyberai: are you using seperate backends/frontents?
[17:08:29] sphery: Cyberai: Upgrade all frontends/backends to the exact same version/revision
[17:08:34] Aval0n: sudo cat /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all >> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | chmod +x /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[17:08:41] Aval0n: omg
[17:08:43] Aval0n: way wrong
[17:08:45] sphery: Cyberai: and make sure you don't have "leftovers" from the previous install
[17:08:52] Aval0n: err
[17:09:07] Aval0n: syphn try what I just said
[17:09:12] Aval0n: sudo cat /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all >> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | chmod +x /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[17:09:29] strgout: i didn't know you could pipe to chmod.
[17:09:32] Cyberai: GreyFoxx, I am all on one box
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[17:09:51] Aval0n: you can pipe to anything
[17:10:05] Aval0n: just runs a 2nd command right?
[17:10:21] Cyberai: sphery, I isolated my SVN install into /usr/local so I wouldn't get any crossover
[17:10:28] sphery: Cyberai: sounds like you have one install in /usr and another in /usr/local and you're running the backend from one and the frontend from another (i.e. different PATHs for different users)
[17:10:33] Cyberai: ah
[17:10:37] Aval0n: sudo cat /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all >> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[17:10:42] Cyberai: sphery, I bet your right
[17:10:47] Cyberai: lemme check that out
[17:10:49] Aval0n: that probably would work betther sphynn
[17:10:50] Cyberai: brb
[17:11:08] sphery: Cyberai: generally removing the "old" version is best (for this reason and other "contamination" issues that can occur)
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[17:13:22] Syphn: Aval0n: sudo = user not root?
[17:14:00] strgout: not to be a pain.. but chmod won't open stdin so you might want to use ";" just in case you don't redirect stdout else you'll get a broken pipe.
[17:14:11] Aval0n: sudo = root access
[17:14:21] Aval0n: which you will need to chmod in /etc/init.d
[17:14:41] Aval0n: sudo cat /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all >> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[17:14:44] Aval0n: that should fix you up
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[17:16:15] Syphn: ok ...
[17:16:26] Syphn: never heard of sudo (but thats not suprising) lol
[17:16:36] Aval0n: or just su to root
[17:16:43] Aval0n: and run the same command without the sudo's
[17:16:56] Syphn: o ok good to know ...
[17:17:02] Aval0n: cat /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all >> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | chmod +x /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[17:17:22] Aval0n: ubuntu uses sudo instead of root, like i said, not familiar with fedora
[17:17:34] Aval0n: bbiab
[17:18:02] Aval0n: I thought if you had a screensaver set
[17:18:09] Aval0n: it wouldn't go on with mythtv playing video
[17:18:11] Aval0n: mine is
[17:18:16] Syphn: :-)
[17:18:38] Syphn: Aval0n: should it be cat "/usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all" >> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend | sudo chmod +x /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend ??
[17:18:49] Syphn: cat: all: No such file or directory
[17:18:58] strgout: thats kind of what i'm seeing.
[17:19:18] Aval0n: yes
[17:19:19] Aval0n: sorry
[17:19:23] Aval0n: brain fart
[17:19:34] Syphn: np ...
[17:19:35] Dagmar: Wow the nearsighted leading the blind
[17:19:49] Aval0n: why the hell aren't you on ignore dagmar
[17:19:55] Aval0n: ahhh not on this laptop client
[17:19:59] Aval0n: there we go,
[17:20:49] Syphn: :_)
[17:21:15] Aval0n: brb
[17:21:29] Syphn: hmmmm
[17:21:46] strgout: i'm not real sure why you have that cat in there in the first place.
[17:21:56] strgout: seems like that its a command and not a file.
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[17:23:06] Syphn: cat: /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all: No such file or directory
[17:23:17] Dagmar: Ya'll scare me
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[17:23:29] Syphn: so possiably just: "/usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all" >> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
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[17:24:56] Syphn: or: echo "/usr/local/bin/mythbackend -v all" >> /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend
[17:25:37] clever_: programs, using B () out of 388 TB (388 TB free).
[17:25:48] clever_: i dont even have 1tb total between all my pc's
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[17:34:43] Syphn: the file appears to be there and chmod'ed ...
[17:35:16] Syphn: well it appears to be grabage (in the file)
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[17:36:54] node_6: hi all
[17:37:13] node_6: I'm looking for recommendations on tv capture cards. atm, more emphasis on the "tv" than the "capture"
[17:37:16] Syphn: remade the file and chmod, lets see if it works not on reboot
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[17:40:18] Syphn: now how to see if the backend is running?
[17:45:31] sphery: clever_: There were overflow errors in the space calculations for MythWeb (probably still in 0.20.2/-fixes)
[17:45:39] Cyberai: sphery, thanks for the help, my backend problem is fixed
[17:45:45] sphery: Cyberai: cool
[17:45:56] Cyberai: Now I'm seeing only one problem, everything else is great.
[17:46:01] clever_: sphery: it was also showing no recordings
[17:46:11] clever_: a couple of refreshes later its 'fixed'
[17:46:21] clever_: 97 programs, using 69 GB (3 days 1 hr 11 mins) out of 135 GB (6.8 GB free).
[17:46:22] Cyberai: when I try to drop out of watching a recording, by hitting escape, video freezes and I'm locked.
[17:46:32] Cyberai: has anyone seen this before?
[17:46:41] Cyberai: live TV is fine
[17:46:50] sphery: Cyberai: don't know what would cause that (bad OpenGL from broken driver install?)
[17:46:55] Cyberai: hmmmmm
[17:47:10] sphery: node_6: What do you mean, "emphasis on the 'tv'"?
[17:47:18] sphery: node_6: You mean one that does TV out?
[17:47:50] sphery: clever_: probably a (temporary) DB connection issue
[17:48:05] clever_: mythweb is on the db server
[17:48:20] node_6: sphery: I mean that I care more about _watching_ tv than _recording_ it (capture)
[17:48:27] clever_: and a command line script i made to output a simple query(on the list of recordings) was still working at the time
[17:48:31] node_6: (if that makes any difference)
[17:48:37] Cyberai: node_6, they are pretty much one and the same
[17:48:49] node_6: I'd like one with a mpeg2 decoder built in
[17:48:50] sphery: node_6: with MythTV all TV you watch is recorded. If you just want to watch, you want something like xawtv or tvtime
[17:49:19] sphery: node_6: I /highly/ recommend against getting a card with a built-in MPEG-2 decoder... It's not 1999, anymore.
[17:49:28] node_6: ?
[17:49:30] node_6: really?
[17:49:35] node_6: what would you suggest then?
[17:49:35] sphery: node_6: The PVR-350 has a built-in decoder, I bought one and it was the biggest waste of money ever
[17:49:51] clever_: i dont have a hardware ENCODER
[17:49:57] clever_: can i have your 350?:P
[17:50:16] sphery: A real video card (with support for OpenGL and other "advanced" capabilities) pays off much more than an MPEG-2 decoder
[17:50:36] node_6: I've got a gefoce 7600 gt
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[17:50:40] node_6: *force
[17:50:54] sphery: Any reasonable modern processor will have no problems with decoding standard def TV in real time.
[17:50:57] clever_: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)
[17:51:14] clever_: my system has little problem(50% load) decoding
[17:51:19] clever_: but it needs 50–60% to encode
[17:51:19] sphery: And the 7600 is overkill for a Myth video card (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) and will give you great quality output
[17:51:30] node_6: wonderful
[17:51:45] clever_: trying to encode and decode at once causes the recording to get corupt
[17:51:45] sphery: clever_: Right. I /do/ recommend an MPEG /en/coder card so you don't have to worry about that load.
[17:52:03] clever_: and the 350 has hardware ENcoding?
[17:52:07] sphery: node_6: So, I'd recommend--for SDTV analog capture--a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 (or multiple)
[17:52:33] node_6: I'm also getting a 1080p projector so I'd like a tv card that won't cramp the image quality
[17:52:34] sphery: clever_: 350 is hardware encode and decode (where the decode was a waste so I disabled it after less than 2 weeks)
[17:52:42] clever_: lol
[17:52:52] sphery: node_6: that means you'll need to do digital capture (i.e. DVB/ATSC)
[17:53:00] node_6: yep
[17:53:08] clever_: but for pc's with very little cpu power(or no vga card) would the 350's output do?
[17:53:16] sphery: node_6: It's not the capture card that cramps the quality--it's NTSC/PAL that does
[17:53:38] node_6: so that's a software setting?
[17:53:52] sphery: clever_: that's the only reason to use one (i.e. if your CPU is about equivalent to a 1999 CPU in terms of processing power--like some of the Via's and stuff)
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[17:54:04] Aval0n: my myth 20.2 install doesn't seem to be respecting DPMS
[17:54:11] ** clever_ gets the cpu for my weakest frontend:P **
[17:54:12] Aval0n: it will screen blank during livetv
[17:54:19] sphery: node_6: NTSC/PAL is the format for transmitting analog TV, so just stay away from analog and you're good.
[17:54:28] Syphn: Aval0n: Working Great! Thanks!
[17:54:36] clever_: sphery: my weakest frontend cpu is 400mhz
[17:54:40] Syphn: now it just looks like LIRC and i may be good!
[17:54:48] Aval0n: good Syphn, glad that worked for you
[17:54:52] clever_: which can handle sd tv on its own without a dedicated decoder
[17:54:55] sphery: node_6: Also, there are no high-definition capable MPEG-2 decoder cards working with Linux, so you wouldn't be able to use one, anyway
[17:55:59] sphery: node_6: that means you'll want a 3GHz-Pentium-4-equivalent processor or better (though you might be able to get away with a slightly less powerful CPU by using XvMC, but software decoding without XvMC is /much/ better).
[17:56:00] node_6: how about a high-def capable NON-decoder cards that work with linux?
[17:56:12] sphery: node_6: where at? US?
[17:56:15] node_6: yep
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[17:56:45] sphery: clever_: for a 400MHz, a PVR-350 would be useful (though, I'd just get a new processor (and system if required ;))
[17:57:03] sphery: node_6: I use 4 pcHDTV HD-3000's for my system (so I can record 4 shows at once).
[17:57:10] clever_: my master backend(with the frame grabber) is 1.6ghz
[17:57:23] clever_: the 400mhz is atm just a frontend/storage backend/flagger
[17:57:23] sphery: node_6: The Avermedia A-180 also gets a lot of praise (and is cheaper than the pcHDTV cards).
[17:57:44] sphery: node_6: the HD-3000 was replaced with the HD-5500 (which is better and cheaper than the ones I have)
[17:58:11] clever_: i have a large(80gig) hdd in a usb enclosure on the 400mhz which i use to hold mythtv's overflow(move to the slave backend and update the hostname column)
[17:58:19] sphery: node_6: Some use the HDHomeRun (which is basically a capture "appliance" that just outputs MPEG-2 via ethernet--and can do 2 channels at once)
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[17:58:52] clever_: ive heard that my digital box outputs raw digital data on one of its ports
[17:58:54] sphery: clever_: that's not too bad--especially if you have other frontends, too.
[17:59:11] sphery: clever_: an STB with a firewire output or something?
[17:59:24] clever_: sphery: the only other system(not counting the master) is my laptop frontend/flagger
[17:59:34] clever_: it doesnt have firewire/usb
[18:00:00] sphery: Oh.
[18:00:10] clever_: http://www.tussh.com/angus/dct2000.php
[18:00:19] clever_: here is an output on the back to the unit labeled High Speed data. This is the unencrypted HDTV data. It needs to be fed into an HDTV decoder HDD 200. This is probably a lot cheaper than ditching your DCT 2000 and than buying a new HDTV capable box.
[18:00:41] clever_: and that plug does exist on my box
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[18:02:03] sphery: clever_: and it probably allows you to get all the channels (whereas firewire/etc. would only give you some)
[18:02:10] sphery: pretty cool
[18:02:14] node_6: sphery: one of these then? http://tinyurl.com/2hhmog http://tinyurl.com/yuupea
[18:02:25] clever_: but where could i find that converter to feed it to the pc?
[18:03:28] sphery: clever_: I think you'd have to hack Myth to record the exact stream, then hack up a solution that could output (using the same kind of connection) the stream
[18:03:38] sphery: clever_: probably both a hardware and software problem.
[18:03:43] clever_: ahhh:S
[18:03:57] clever_: does that data contain allchannels/some/1?
[18:04:15] clever_: ive heard that firewire based stuff can record a group that are on the same freq
[18:04:40] sphery: node_6: The PVR-150 would work for standard-def capture, but /not/ for high def (only allows you to use a set-top-box to output standard def version of a high def channel via, i.e. S-Video, and capture in standard def)
[18:05:24] sphery: node_6: The PVR-500 is basically 2 PVR-150's on one card (with some plumbing, amplifier, and splitter). If you're not pressed for PCI slots, you're better off with 2 PVR-150's.
[18:05:27] node_6: understood. honestly, I was only planning for the future with that one. atm, I only have std def
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[18:06:42] Syphn: what would it mean if mythtv is not responding to my remote. LIRC is started (as /use/bin/irw/ post nutton remote button messages) but the remote does nothing in the mythfrontend
[18:06:51] sphery: node_6: For HDTV, you'll need something like, http://pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100021
[18:07:08] sphery: node_6: But the PVR-150 (or, in a pinch, the PVR-500) would be the ones to get for SDTV.
[18:08:21] node_6: would two tv cards only provide the ability to scan two chans at once? is there any other purpose to two cards?
[18:08:32] sphery: node_6: Also, this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116620 works (even though it says MCE on it). Check with others for info about which ones contain remotes, if required (but you only need one remote regardless of how many cards you get).
[18:08:50] sphery: node_6: 2 cards for recording 2 shows simultaneously--no other reason
[18:09:09] node_6: very good
[18:09:19] sphery: I started with one PVR-350, then added a PVR-250, then got some PVR-150's (but never used more than 2 at once), then went to 4 HD-3000's.
[18:09:21] node_6: I can't thank you enough, sphery. You've been extremely helpful :)
[18:09:33] sphery: so, you can probably start small, but don't expect it to stay that way.  :)
[18:09:49] sphery: Also, lots of HDD space is good.
[18:09:57] node_6: got that covered
[18:10:07] node_6: almost a TB, all said and done
[18:10:15] sphery: For a PVR-150, you can capture at "low quality" (VCR-quality) at about 1.25GB/hr. 2GB/hr is pretty good quality.
[18:10:21] sphery: node_6: That's plenty for SDTV.
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[18:10:46] sphery: I have 3TB for my HDTV, but I like waiting to see if they cancel shows before I start watching (i.e. wait 'til the end of the season for most new shows :)
[18:10:46] node_6: if I'm only watching, software won't store the video, will it?
[18:10:52] sphery: It will
[18:10:56] node_6: why?
[18:10:57] sphery: In Myth all watching is recording
[18:11:11] clever_: i get roughtly 1gig/hour with mpeg4 from the framegrabber
[18:11:14] sphery: But, it autoexpires it after 1 day (unless it's less than 2 minutes of video, then it autoexpires "immediately")
[18:11:37] node_6: can't I set it to "expire" as soon as I watch it?
[18:11:46] sphery: The idea is you may start watching some show, then half way through think, "Wow, my SO would love to see this," so since we recorded it, you can save it.
[18:11:52] node_6: I really do only want to watch TV
[18:11:54] sphery: Nope. Always waits a day.
[18:11:55] clever_: things also expire when you get 'low' on disk space
[18:12:00] clever_: so it wont run down to 0
[18:12:08] clever_: (under normal situations)
[18:12:10] sphery: node_6: Then you should think about xawtv or tvtime instead of myth
[18:12:25] node_6: I'll have to partition my drive to keep the sw from eating up all my space
[18:12:42] clever_: you can addjust what 'low' disk space is
[18:12:46] clever_: i have mine set to 2gig
[18:12:53] sphery: clever_: Really, the difference between expiring immediately and after one day/when space is low is irrelevant.
[18:12:56] node_6: yeah, that would be fine
[18:13:09] sphery: Right, so you can specify that Myth should never touch some of the space.
[18:13:22] clever_: but if ypu record a full tv in under 24 hours the old stuff wont expire fast enough
[18:13:28] clever_: full tb*
[18:13:55] clever_: which is why you might want to mention it also depends on low space
[18:14:03] sphery: Getting a TB from one PVR-150 would take more than 24 hours, though.  :)
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[18:14:24] clever_: but if you allreayd have it 99% filled from other recordings
[18:14:30] clever_: that are set to not expire
[18:14:40] clever_: it would take less time to get that last %
[18:15:12] sphery: Right.
[18:15:33] Syphn: anyone have any thoughts?
[18:15:34] sphery: But you'd be hard pressed to get more than 100GB/day from a single PVR-150.
[18:15:45] sphery: Syphn: I try not to.
[18:15:51] Syphn: sphery: lol
[18:16:07] sphery: Syphn: LIRC issues? What symptoms?
[18:16:19] Aval0n: I'm installing from scratch again
[18:16:20] clever_: 24gig/day might be the limit of my system
[18:16:28] node_6: thank you again guys. I've picked your collective brain enough, I think
[18:16:29] node_6: :)
[18:16:34] Aval0n: when I do ./configure it says XVMC support no
[18:16:38] Aval0n: and DVB support no
[18:16:39] sphery: node_6: enjoy
[18:16:43] Syphn: i believe i have it setup and working. i get button presses in irw. but the remote doesn't do anything in mythfrontend
[18:16:46] Aval0n: I know I have the xvmc libs installed
[18:16:46] node_6: will do
[18:17:00] sphery: Aval0n: It's not finding the proper headers/libraries
[18:17:11] sphery: Aval0n: Are you sure you've got the devel packages?
[18:17:37] Aval0n: yes
[18:17:45] Aval0n: unless they changed for .20.0
[18:17:47] clever_: sphery: the 'hdd200' thingy converts the data to a number of higher quality formats such as component and digital audio
[18:18:11] Syphn: any thoughts?
[18:18:20] Syphn: i need irxevent running now?
[18:18:21] Syphn: no?
[18:18:34] sphery: clever_: Yeah, but you can't capture component (at least not at high definition)
[18:18:47] sphery: clever_: So you'd need to capture the digital stream output from the high-speed port.
[18:18:54] clever_: atm im capturing composite or svideo
[18:18:55] clever_: i forget
[18:19:00] Aval0n: grr
[18:19:12] clever_: i think its composite
[18:19:30] sphery: Syphn: Where's your LIRC config? ~mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc and/or ~mythtv/.lircrc (notice the differences with the dots)
[18:19:51] sphery: clever_: composite is possible (but only standard def)
[18:20:06] sphery: component (high def) is not yet possible
[18:20:08] clever_: im allready doing composite
[18:20:31] sphery: Syphn: No need for irxevent if using "native" LIRC support in Myth (and you want to use native support).
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[18:20:54] sphery: Syphn: Make sure your LIRC stanzas specify the proper program "prog = mythtv" and that buttons line up with those defined in /etc/lircd.conf
[18:21:23] Aval0n: sphery I do have the xvmc libs installedd and the libxvmcdeb ones
[18:21:56] Aval0n: =/
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[18:22:35] sphery: Aval0n: what video card?
[18:22:45] sphery: nvidia or via or intel?
[18:23:53] Aval0n: nvidia 7300gs
[18:24:25] Syphn: sphery: ho can i tell it the lirc server is running?
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[18:25:20] Aval0n: ps aux|grep lircd
[18:25:25] sphery: pidof lircd
[18:25:45] Syphn: nothing on my lirc side has changed, i updated from 0.19 to 0.20 so my /etc/lirc.conf is good and my ~/.mythtv/lircrc has prog = mythtv
[18:26:13] Syphn: ok lirc looks to be running
[18:27:06] sphery: Aval0n: for NVIDIA, you want libXvMCNVIDIA in a directory that's available in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH or /etc/ld.so.conf or /etc/ld.so.conf/*
[18:27:58] Syphn: i went from an rpm'ed myth to a compiled myth, should the prog = mythtv now be mythfronend ?
[18:28:20] sphery: Aval0n: for DVB, you need linux/dvb/frontend.h in an include directory
[18:28:40] sphery: Syphn: it's always "prog = mythtv"
[18:28:41] Aval0n: hmm
[18:29:00] sphery: Aval0n: what configure args are you using?
[18:29:05] Syphn: so the only thing that has changed is mythtv ... i wonder what could be wrong
[18:29:08] Aval0n: /usr/include/linux/dvb/frontend.h
[18:29:12] Aval0n: is where it is now
[18:29:12] sphery: You can also trip it up on XvMC by passing wrong args
[18:29:23] Aval0n: all I did was ./configure --prefix=/usr
[18:29:29] sphery: Aval0n: that should work for DVB
[18:29:39] Aval0n: it's not apparently though =(
[18:30:12] Syphn: i'm definatly at a loss
[18:30:18] sphery: Aval0n: try make distclean && ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-xvmc --enable-dvb
[18:30:58] sphery: Aval0n: (or better, use: ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-xvmc --enable-dvb 2>&1 | tee configurelog
[18:31:05] sphery: to get a nice log of the configure output
[18:31:19] Aval0n: ok thanks I'll try
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[18:31:56] Aval0n: they both say yes now
[18:32:18] sphery: Syphn: are you restarting mythfrontend after every change to your LIRC config ~/.lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc and restarting both lircd and mythfrontend after changes to /etc/lircd.conf?
[18:32:23] sphery: Aval0n: cool.
[18:32:42] Aval0n: it says xvmc opengl support no
[18:32:44] Aval0n: do I want yes?
[18:32:53] sphery: Aval0n: No. It's not good enough, yet.
[18:32:57] Aval0n: k
[18:32:59] sphery: better without it.
[18:33:07] sphery: /very/ bad performance.
[18:33:11] Aval0n: WARNING: If you plan to watch HDTV recordings you probably
[18:33:11] Aval0n: need to run ./configure with --enable-proc-opt
[18:33:20] sphery: Aval0n: right, use that one, too.
[18:33:25] Aval0n: ok cool
[18:33:27] Aval0n: thanks a lot
[18:33:30] sphery: make sure you make distclean
[18:33:51] sphery: Aval0n: trunk or -fixes?
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[18:33:55] sphery: (sounds like trunk)
[18:34:04] Aval0n: do I ned to do that if I deleted the dir and fresh extracted again?
[18:34:15] Aval0n: trunk or fixes?
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[18:34:36] sphery: Aval0n: where did you get MythTV from? SVN checkout or 0.20.2 tarball?
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[18:35:02] Syphn: sphery: i'm not changing ~/.lircrc or ~/.mythtv/lircrc or /etc/lircd.conf? which of those files communicates with mythfronend? i've also tried running irxevent & with no luck as well ...
[18:35:21] Aval0n: tarball
[18:35:28] Aval0n: from the site
[18:35:37] Aval0n: mythtv.org
[18:36:17] sphery: Syphn: irxevent won't help (you should fix it to use native). The native support is configured with ~/.mythtv/lircrc (or ~/.lircrc) using information also in /etc/lircd.conf
[18:36:29] sphery: Aval0n: Good time to stop and do things differently...
[18:36:56] Aval0n: really?
[18:36:58] Aval0n: WARNING: When using --enable-proc-opt you must include the
[18:36:58] Aval0n: output of ./configure along with any bug report.
[18:36:59] sphery: Aval0n: go to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ and follow the instructions, "If you'd like to get the stable 0.20 branch, do this instead:"
[18:37:27] sphery: The 0.20.2 tarball has some issues that have been fixed in 0.20-fixes.
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[18:38:07] sphery: Aval0n: hold on and I'll get you some better info...
[18:38:10] Aval0n: what is stable branch?
[18:38:13] Aval0n: ok thn
[18:38:29] Aval0n: x
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[18:42:26] kees-jan: Hi all
[18:44:07] sphery: Aval0n: See http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/678167
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[18:44:29] Syphn: sphery: so if i compiled myth without native support then i would need to right?
[18:44:42] sphery: Syphn: right.
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[18:45:07] Aval0n: i wish there was a .20.2 ubuntu package
[18:45:23] sphery: Aval0n: they should have them soon (if not now)
[18:45:34] XLV: Aval0n, there is
[18:45:37] sphery: That's definitely a better approach than building yourself if you just want MythTV to work.
[18:45:42] Aval0n: i did apt-get install mythtv and it said up to date
[18:45:45] sphery: Aval0n: and XLV grants your wish...
[18:45:53] Aval0n: heh
[18:45:55] Aval0n: :)
[18:46:01] Syphn: sphery: so i would have to kill the backend, enable native support, make -j 2
[18:46:06] sphery: Now I'll let someone who knows what he's talking about help you fix things correctly.  :)
[18:46:09] Syphn: and make install
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[18:46:21] XLV: Aval0n, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536555
[18:46:24] Aval0n: XLVty
[18:46:28] Aval0n: let me look
[18:46:28] sphery: Syphn: You compiled yourself? If so, then basically, yeah.
[18:46:46] Syphn: sphery: yes i did ...
[18:46:58] Aval0n: pre released
[18:47:00] Aval0n: got it
[18:47:00] Aval0n: thanks!
[18:47:12] Syphn: and that will overwrite the old make install?
[18:47:18] sphery: Aval0n: the ubuntu packagers are also including the fixes I mentioned that you want from 0.20-fixes, so it has everything you need.
[18:47:30] sphery: Syphn: yeah
[18:48:13] ** sphery learns to ask more questions when someone is just getting started with compiling to potentially save that person a /lot/ of work.  :) **
[18:48:23] Syphn: fun!
[18:48:38] Syphn: thanks for the help, its appriciated!
[18:48:39] sphery: Sorry I took you the long way around to finding out that your packages have been updated, Aval0n
[18:49:35] Syphn: Aval0n: with the backend starting the way it is (on boot, /etc/rc.d/init.d/mythbackend) how would i kill it?
[18:49:37] sphery: Syphn: I was talking about "helping" Aval0n by answering his questions rather than trying to help him do what he wanted.  :)
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[18:51:58] Syphn: can i kill it with the PID?
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[18:54:13] i_is_cat: any issues with the wintv-go-plus card?
[18:55:49] Syphn: so i should compile with lirc support yes
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[18:59:31] sphery: Syphn: yeah, compile with LIRC support.
[18:59:45] Syphn: and that could be done with ./configure --enable-lirc
[19:00:00] sphery: Syphn: and the "right" way to shut down the mythbackend is to send a KILL signal (i.e. not kill -9, but kill) to the backend.
[19:00:07] sphery: So, yeah, just kill it.
[19:00:46] sphery: Syphn: In theory, yes, but in reality, LIRC is enabled by default, so if it's not enabled now (see mythfrontend --version), it means your libs/headers are in non-standard locations where they weren't automatically found.
[19:01:24] sphery: So you'll have to do some checking (look in configure to see how it finds LIRC stuff)
[19:01:50] Syphn: sphery: ./configure says: lirc support no
[19:01:54] sphery: i_is_cat: Are you just now looking at buying a new card?
[19:02:36] sphery: Syphn: Yeah. lib/header issues. Make sure you have LIRC devel packages and that everything is where it should be (i.e. library directories specified in your ld config, etc.)
[19:03:34] Syphn: sphery: http://pastebin.ca/678183
[19:04:29] Syphn: awe ... ./configure must see if it can find the necessary items?
[19:04:34] sphery: Syphn: Yeah, your installed version doesn't have LIRC support
[19:04:39] Aval0n: sphery and XVL thanks I got the thing installed
[19:04:43] Aval0n: I'll play with it later
[19:04:49] sphery: Aval0n: congrats. Enjoy the SD support.
[19:04:51] Aval0n: hopefully the lines in denoise3d go away
[19:04:58] sphery: pink lines?
[19:05:03] Aval0n: no
[19:05:12] Aval0n: just verticle lines
[19:05:17] sphery: OK. The pink lines go away when you get a non-ATI card (i.e. NVIDIA card) :)
[19:05:23] Aval0n: ahh
[19:05:24] sphery: pink lines are around the edge, though.
[19:05:28] Aval0n: they weren't there in .20
[19:05:31] sphery: lines in the middle I don't know about.
[19:05:41] Aval0n: when I installed the .20.2 the first time
[19:05:43] Aval0n: they were there
[19:05:52] Aval0n: all across the screen vertically
[19:05:56] floppyears: hi guys how are you doing?
[19:06:14] Aval0n: which was really disappointing, because denoise made my picture look pretty good in .20
[19:06:17] Aval0n: hi floppy
[19:06:21] sphery: doing well, but trying to figure out how a new Myth feature should work...
[19:06:22] Aval0n: well and you?
[19:06:29] sphery: (and can't decide)
[19:06:38] Aval0n: are there any animated themes for mythtv?
[19:06:41] sphery: I think I'm going with my current...
[19:06:46] sphery: Aval0n: MePo-wide
[19:06:59] sphery: http://home.comcast.net/~zdzisekg/
[19:07:07] sphery: closest thing to animated
[19:07:23] sphery: (it has an animated character, but it's not nice on CPU usage)
[19:07:24] Syphn: sphery: and i'm sure the includes/headers would need to match the version that i currently have installed and running?
[19:07:31] Aval0n: thanks
[19:07:34] sphery: Syphn: right.
[19:07:34] Aval0n: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3312 . . . mp;plindex=0
[19:07:38] Aval0n: sphery check that out
[19:07:45] sphery: Aval0n: Is that LinuxMCE?
[19:07:52] ** sphery doesn't enable Flash **
[19:08:03] Aval0n: no
[19:08:10] Aval0n: it's xbmc mythtv frontend
[19:08:15] sphery: Oh. AppleTV/XBMC
[19:08:21] Aval0n: right
[19:08:24] Aval0n: looks amazing
[19:08:39] sphery: Yeah. I've seen LinuxMCE's video and it was "fancy" but completely annoying (IMHO)
[19:08:55] Aval0n: yeah
[19:09:00] Aval0n: i thought linuxmce was ugly
[19:09:17] kees-jan: Hi
[19:09:28] kees-jan: I'm trying to install mythtv on debian etch
[19:09:34] kees-jan: binaries from debian-multimedia
[19:09:47] sphery: Anyway, Aval0n, Myth's "new" UI (was first included in 0.20) has support for extremely fancy OpenGL effects, but no one has taken it anywhere. "Soon" (i.e. by like 0.25 or so), Myth will be even fancier than AppleTV.  :)
[19:09:51] kees-jan: I'm running mythtv-setup
[19:09:56] kees-jan: but no menu ever appears
[19:10:00] kees-jan: just the background
[19:10:06] sphery: Aval0n: glad I'm not the only one with that opinion of LinuxMCE.
[19:10:14] Syphn: sphery: thanks for the help, but i think i've hit my limit, going to fall back to a clean packaged install
[19:10:29] kees-jan: Can't find references to a similar problem anywhere
[19:10:30] Aval0n: sphery ince
[19:10:32] sphery: kees-jan: sounds like broken OpenGL support (i.e. broken driver install)
[19:10:32] Aval0n: nice*
[19:10:52] sphery: kees-jan: what video card?
[19:10:55] kees-jan: This is an old box
[19:11:04] kees-jan: I'm not even sure it has opengl :-)
[19:11:26] sphery: kees-jan: try mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt
[19:11:33] kees-jan: according to lspci
[19:11:35] kees-jan: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
[19:11:55] sphery: kees-jan: If that works, you'll need to use mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt
[19:12:14] sphery: kees-jan: and then go into frontend settings and change the Theme Painter to QT (from OpenGL)
[19:12:42] sphery: kees-jan: The other possibility is that you don't have the fonts your Theme is using installed (i.e. many use fonts from MS core web fonts)
[19:13:19] sphery: And, it wouldn't surprise me if those "encumbered" fonts weren't installed on a Debian system.
[19:13:56] kees-jan: :-)
[19:14:09] kees-jan: mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt gives the exact same result
[19:14:13] kees-jan: though much slower ;-)
[19:14:32] floppyears: I'm doing good
[19:14:47] floppyears: Aval0n: why not compile it from svn? I have ubuntu and that's what I did
[19:14:52] sphery: kees-jan: I'd try installing ms core web fonts
[19:15:15] floppyears: sphery: what feature is it? if you don't mind me asking ?
[19:15:28] kees-jan: I just found the "ms TrueType core fonts"
[19:15:39] kees-jan: Do you mean those?
[19:15:50] sphery: taking the ACPI/sensors temperature stuff out and replacing it with "miscellaneous" status info that's supplied by a script
[19:16:25] sphery: So users who want temps on the backend status page can get them (or can get them from all myth systems or whatever) and users wanting other information can put that in, too.
[19:16:49] sphery: Basically, takes all the sensors dependencies out of Myth.
[19:17:25] sphery: and I don't have to see stuff that doesn't make sense on my system (i.e. the CPU temp of the master backend but no temps for slave backend or dedicated frontend)
[19:17:49] sphery: kees-jan: that might be the ones... If it has Ariel and Georgia and stuff...
[19:18:13] kees-jan: yup
[19:18:15] kees-jan: got those
[19:19:30] sphery: kees-jan: then last idea would be that it's trying to use a "broken" or missing theme
[19:19:44] sphery: kees-jan: Try mythtv-setup -O Theme=blue
[19:20:00] kees-jan: The fonts did it
[19:20:01] kees-jan: thanks!
[19:20:18] sphery: kees-jan: Cool. Thought you were saying you already had them. Glad it's working.
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[19:20:46] kees-jan: In the process of installing the fonts, I saw "arial" and "georgia" being downloaded
[19:20:59] kees-jan: It did take me a few seconds to start myth after seeing them ;-)
[19:21:11] kusznir: Hi all: When compiling myth, is it "safe" to use the -j flag for multiple parallel makes? (i.e., cd myth-src/mythtv; make -j3)?
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[19:21:27] rushfan: Mythtv always sets my system volume to 70% when I watch TVB
[19:21:28] rushfan: TV*
[19:21:33] rushfan: How can I stop it from doing that?
[19:21:40] sphery: Yeah. It would be nice if we had more themes that didn't require non-free fonts, but then again, I have no artistic talent, so there's probably a reason why the MS fonts were chosen.
[19:21:54] kees-jan: It's not much of a problem
[19:22:05] kees-jan: If only there was a reference in the installation instructions, telling me to install them :-)
[19:22:09] sphery: rushfan: It always sets it to the volume it was at when you were last watching TV/listening to Music.
[19:22:27] sphery: rushfan: How are you trying to set the volume? Are you using an external mechanism for changing volume.
[19:22:28] rushfan: sphery: so if I set it to 100% and then turn mythtv off it will leave it at 100%?
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[19:23:04] sphery: rushfan: If you don't want Myth to change the volume you need to disable internal volume controls and use an external mechanism for changing the volume.
[19:23:09] rushfan: sphery: I have a stereo Im listening through if thats what you mean
[19:23:27] sphery: So you're using LIRC to send volume signals to the stereo/amplifier?
[19:23:45] sphery: /receiver (whatever it's called)?
[19:23:50] rushfan: No Im just using ALSA
[19:24:02] sphery: How do you change the volume?
[19:24:09] rushfan: I change it with the stereo reciever
[19:24:10] sphery: alsamixer?
[19:24:17] rushfan: But mythtv is loweirng alsamixer to 70%
[19:24:19] sphery: and your fingers?
[19:24:23] rushfan: When I usually have it at 100%
[19:24:23] BULLE: 4
[19:24:31] sphery: 5
[19:24:39] Daviey: 6
[19:24:48] sphery: Darn. I thought I won.
[19:25:02] BULLE: he, sorry
[19:25:08] Daviey: ;'
[19:25:28] ** xris ponders http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129030 **
[19:25:59] sphery: rushfan: Sounds like you're using an external volume program (i.e. your fingers) to change volume. If so, you need to disable "Use internal volume controls" in mythfrontend's settings.
[19:26:25] sphery: rushfan: Under General settings.
[19:26:28] directhex: xris, do you want convincing that it's good, or convincing that it's bad?
[19:26:49] xris: directhex: either.  :)
[19:27:35] sphery: I'm way too cheap to pay for a pretty case. My 3 myth boxes are in the ugliest cases you've ever seen, but they're in a different room (with a hole in the wall for cables), so I don't care how ugly they are.  :)
[19:28:00] xris: hmm... Q6600 proc, or E6850
[19:28:10] directhex: xris, for what?
[19:28:31] xris: for my server.. so I can take the slower core2duo proc and put it in my mythbox
[19:29:16] directhex: i'm generally opposed to intel's quad core chips
[19:29:31] tjcarter: directhex: why?
[19:29:51] tjcarter: aside from the serious overkill involved I mean
[19:29:52] directhex: tjcarter, they're very bad at the kind of things we need them to at work
[19:30:28] tjcarter: yeah, SMP only goes so far really
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[19:30:37] directhex: SMp goes very far of ot wants to
[19:30:51] tremby: anyone have experience with vga to scart cables?
[19:30:54] tjcarter: Not when Intel designs it, apparently =D
[19:31:03] sphery: But without CSI/HT, it can only go so far... ;)
[19:31:16] directhex: jms@orac:~> grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo
[19:31:17] directhex: 152
[19:31:19] sphery: CSI will be a big improvement (though HT would have been better)
[19:31:22] directhex: SMP's all good
[19:31:29] ** tjcarter wonders if he has aluminum foil **
[19:31:35] directhex: but as sphery seems to have grasped, the problem is memory bandwidth
[19:31:47] directhex: and the FSB bottleneck
[19:31:53] sphery: yep
[19:32:04] tjcarter: damn, no, that is going to make this a messy prospect
[19:32:20] sphery: I'm wondering if I should be offended that you were surprised I grasped that.  :)
[19:32:48] directhex: sphery, consider the average channel IQ
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[19:33:02] tjcarter: well, I have the potatoes, the cheese, the chives, the bacon, and the sour cream
[19:33:02] sphery: lol. OK, I won't take it personally, then.  :)
[19:33:07] tjcarter: there's no help for it I guess.
[19:33:28] sphery: sounds like tjcarter is all set for some MythTV watching
[19:33:29] tjcarter: I am required to use these ingredients =D
[19:33:50] RyeBrye: Is there a plugin architecture for MythTV to make a module that runs on the backend – or are plugins a frontend-only thing?
[19:33:51] tjcarter: sphery: after a little baking, yes
[19:33:56] |neon|: hello , what is a good distro to load mythtv, the box will be use on the tv room and not as an every day computer thx
[19:34:04] directhex: RyeBrye, a plugin for what?
[19:34:04] sphery: RyeBrye: all plugins are frontend only
[19:34:15] sphery: but, yeah, for what?
[19:34:16] sphery: :)
[19:34:23] directhex: mythweb is in mythplugins ;)
[19:34:28] RyeBrye: I want to take the PHP script that extends sporting events that go into overtime and make it more intgrated
[19:34:29] tjcarter: Has anyone considered a sshable mythtv-setup?
[19:34:36] sphery: MythWeb is technically a whole other frontend.
[19:34:51] kusznir: |neon| check out knoppmyth: www.knoppmyth.net. Its set up to load a dedicated myth system and is about as automated as it gets.
[19:34:56] sphery: tjcarter: it is ssh'able
[19:35:12] sphery: tjcarter: mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt
[19:35:18] |neon|: kusznir: thx i will check it out
[19:35:29] sphery: tjcarter: temporary override of OpenGL painter.
[19:35:36] xris: directhex: well, those two procs are the same price for me (about $140)... server would probably benefit more from quad core
[19:35:52] tjcarter: sphery: I was thinking on the order of the menu system actually
[19:35:52] RyeBrye: I suppose I could work on integrating the brainpower for the recording-extender and put it into mythweb, but I think that logically it belongs in a controller not a frontend so should probably be put in the backend
[19:36:23] tjcarter: sphery: and I did not know about -O
[19:36:47] tjcarter: mythtv-setup doesn't respond to any of the usual -? --help etc and has no manpage
[19:36:52] sphery: RyeBrye: Yeah. Though to get it accepted into upstream, you'd probably need a really robust architecture (allowing user-specifiable scripts to determine whether to extend a recording)
[19:37:10] directhex: xris, i'd get an intel 9050. yep, that's a good option right there
[19:37:15] RyeBrye: Yeah, I figured as much... It will be a bit of a project to get it in there
[19:37:24] xris: directhex: not on my super-good price list.
[19:37:38] sphery: tjcarter: mythtv-setup --help should work, though it won't if you haven't set a DISPLAY (or don't have permissions to the display)
[19:37:47] tjcarter: ...
[19:37:54] sphery: tjcarter: Use ssh -Y <hostname>
[19:37:59] tjcarter: sphery: er
[19:38:01] sphery: tjcarter: To let ssh take care of the display
[19:38:14] tjcarter: people ssh from things not Linux you know
[19:38:18] RyeBrye: I think I would set it up so the user could either flag it to use regular expressions to search through recordings and auto-extend ones that match certain patterns with certain scripts – or be able to flag individual recordings with the ability to be extended or not
[19:38:32] tjcarter: Windows generally doesn't have an X server, and Macs have them, but they generally are never used
[19:39:09] sphery: but there are X <things> (forgot the naem) for Windows
[19:39:20] tjcarter: Not free X things
[19:39:29] RyeBrye: The MRE script currently uses regular expressions – i.e it will look for all recordings ending in 30 mintues that match a pattern like 'College Football' – and if it sees any it will parse the description and then hit a server to see if the game is still going on.. and it will continue to do that every 5 minutes. If the games is done, it will end the recording – otherwise it will extend it some more
[19:39:31] directhex: cygwin-x11
[19:39:36] directhex: which sucks. hard
[19:39:53] tjcarter: does that actually work?  ;)
[19:40:00] directhex: it works on xp
[19:40:02] directhex: not on vista though
[19:40:17] sphery: True, cygwin leaves a bit to be desired. There are proprietary ones, too.
[19:40:33] tjcarter: --help should still not require X
[19:41:05] sphery: RyeBrye: right, but the hosts/URL's it accesses and the searching and everything must be generic enough to work worldwide
[19:41:13] tjcarter: and for any number of reasons (BE only for example), a console-only mythtv-setup would be a really good option
[19:41:30] RyeBrye: True. Those could be stored in a set of "modules" that people could load in for their locale
[19:41:36] sphery: RyeBrye: and for even non-sports events
[19:41:42] tjcarter: I was just wondering if anyone else had concluded similarly and had maybe begun working on it
[19:41:46] tjcarter: seems not =D
[19:42:02] RyeBrye: The problem with non-sporting events would be getting web services that tell of their status
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[19:42:10] sphery: So, taking the "smarts" out of the backend and letting the backend run a script and "do the right thing" with the script's output soudns like the best approach to me
[19:42:47] sphery: But I'm not the guy who'll make the decision, so you probably should talk with some of the devs
[19:43:20] sphery: Post to -dev might be a good way to get discussion going (though often until you've got a working patch, no one will submit any opinions :)
[19:43:42] RyeBrye: Yeah, I will probably generate some more thought-out docs on what I am thinking of
[19:44:27] RyeBrye: then post them and get some ideas
[19:45:04] RyeBrye: That functionality though is really one that sports watchers tend to really think is cool when I talk to them about it
[19:45:18] RyeBrye: I don't know how many of the devs are currently sports watchers, because otherwise it'd already be in there :P
[19:45:25] sphery: I will mention that Chutt wasn't pleased with the "Category of shows to be extended" setting because it was too limiting/specific.
[19:45:47] sphery: (So I would guess he'd be glad to be able to remove it and replace it with a more generic thing.)
[19:47:06] RyeBrye: Yeah, I would think a flag on the individual recording similar to job option for transcoding or commflagging would be ideal for the individual level
[19:47:38] RyeBrye: and the option to turn on regular-expression based searches that would globally do things based on show titles like "College Football" "College Basketball"... etc.
[19:48:24] floppyears: sphery: that sounds like a cool feature.
[19:48:49] RyeBrye: then there is always the case of handing priority conflicts – but i think just handling them using existing priorities would be fine.... i.e. if the game goes into overtime but you have it scheduled to record "Sesame Street" at a higher priority – you will get Sesame Street instead of your Overtime recorded bceause you weren't smart enough to use priorities correctly
[19:49:14] RyeBrye: (and then adding in logic to extend things like possible priority conflicts to show shows that might conflict should the game go over)
[19:50:10] sphery: RyeBrye: Yeah, it does get very complex. Bruce Markey (and possibly David Engel) will probably have very specific input for you.
[19:53:59] RyeBrye: Here's another question that I have that I probably already know the answer to...
[19:54:16] RyeBrye: How quickly does TMS update their listing data in the event of something going over?
[19:54:32] luke_: like hillary douchebag clinton?
[19:55:03] ** sphery wonders if he was just talking to the person who posted "Upgraded to SVN, problems with recordings now" **
[19:55:09] sphery: Cyberai: was that you ^^^
[19:55:34] tjcarter: w00t, potatoes are done
[19:55:37] RyeBrye: If the superbowl goes into overtime and the 60-minutes show afterwards gets pushed back 30 minutes... refreshing the guide data fo that channel wouldn't update the listings for that day right? They just update their date once or twice a day?
[19:56:01] sphery: RyeBrye: TTBOMK, they only update it when they get updates from the stations, so going over isn't updated in DD.
[19:56:12] RyeBrye: Yeah, that was my suspicion
[19:56:14] sphery: Right.
[19:57:17] tjcarter: now is the scooping out of the innards for mashing tomorrow with garlic and butter.. Then the rest will go back in the oven with cheese and bacon left over from yesterday
[19:57:41] sphery: tjcarter: Did I see in old scrollback from today that it takes 2 minutes to go into your Watch Recordings screen?
[19:57:50] tjcarter: sphery: sometimes yes.
[19:58:03] sphery: Are you running mythfilldatabase?
[19:58:06] tjcarter: yes
[19:58:08] tjcarter: daily
[19:58:11] sphery: OK.
[19:58:25] tjcarter: the latency is on a remote frontend (a Mac)
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[19:58:57] tjcarter: it didn't happen with 0.19, but has been a problem with two of the three precompiled frontends I've found (I can't seem to get a working Qt3 to build my own)
[19:59:16] sphery: Then, assuming it does the same after running optimize_mythdb.pl, it's probably an I/O issue with your system/MySQL (one that I won't really be able to help with other than recommending a dedicated (non-recording) drive for / and for MySQL)
[19:59:20] RyeBrye: Does Soccer ever go into overtime? or doees the set-time per half make it easy for them to schedule it properly?
[19:59:46] sphery: tjcarter: Oh, could be more of a QT DB driver issue
[20:00:20] tjcarter: sphery: it didn't exist under 0.19, and that was an emulated CPU..
[20:00:41] kusznir: How can I tell what version of mythtv I have installed (from source)?
[20:00:54] tjcarter: look at your source? =D
[20:00:55] sphery: kusznir: mythfrontend --version
[20:01:23] kusznir: sphery: when I try that, I get X errors (remote login; the system is 1300 miles away)
[20:01:26] sphery: if it's new enough (i.e. 0.20.2 or recent 0.20-fixes, it will even tell you the SVN branch)
[20:01:50] tjcarter: sphery: There was no Intel 0.19, so I upgraded to 0.20 using the collectivity binary
[20:02:11] tjcarter: it's been updated once since then (from 0.20 to -fixes) but not since like August.
[20:02:17] tjcarter: Last August.
[20:02:21] kusznir: Ok, I got it working with X forwarding; it didn't start X.
[20:02:43] tjcarter: other binaries have surfaced (two, both buggier than what I have)
[20:04:10] sphery: tjcarter: Yeah. I know Nigel is putting a lot of effort into the Mac OS port, but it's still got a ways to go.
[20:04:28] sphery: I don't really know anything about it, though.
[20:04:47] RyeBrye: The OS X port of the backend?
[20:04:48] RyeBrye: or the frontend?
[20:05:01] sphery: kusznir: Yeah, you'll need a valid DISPLAY (and permissions to the display)
[20:05:15] RyeBrye: I don't think the frontend has far to go at all unless they've broken it recently – it compiled for me a month ago and I'm in the process of compiling it again now
[20:05:18] RyeBrye: (for OS X)
[20:07:26] Hoochster: first time I have had a chance to play with the new mythweather, is there a trick i am missing? I setup global options no problem, but when I goto select screens it says Screen cannot be used, not all required data is supplied by existing sources. Am I missing a dependency, according to the README it won't install if it is.
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[20:09:15] sphery: Hoochster: most likely a) missing dependencies (see the logs for missing Perl packages) and b) missing a trick(s) (the setup UI is very difficult to figure out--and I have since forgotten how I made it work)
[20:09:35] tjcarter: RyeBrye: I can't know about that..
[20:09:46] tjcarter: RyeBrye: I need a working Qt3 to find out =)
[20:10:02] Hoochster: will look again, thanks for the reply sphery, just going by the instructions stating if it is missing any of the perl modules it won't even install, run via a script will just try running manually so I can see the output
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[20:11:28] RyeBrye: tjcarter – are you building on OSX ?
[20:11:37] tjcarter: RyeBrye: I'm trying to.
[20:11:40] sphery: Hoochster: It will be getting better. gbee is putting a lot of effort into fixing it up.
[20:11:42] RyeBrye: Getting QT3 to build on OSX by hand is a bitch
[20:11:54] tjcarter: RyeBrye: Qt3 seems to have this incompatibility with gcc4
[20:11:55] RyeBrye: And they are reall assholes if oyu go in their IRC channel and ask for help if you mention it's MythTV
[20:11:57] RyeBrye: Yeah, I think it does
[20:12:01] RyeBrye: BUT
[20:12:06] RyeBrye: you don't have to bother doing it by hand
[20:12:06] Hoochster: it looks like it has come a long way sphery, compared to the old one, just haven't had time to get it going again heh
[20:12:08] Hoochster: thanks
[20:12:15] tjcarter: I don't?
[20:12:16] RyeBrye: just go to /contrib/OSX and run the osx-packager.pl script
[20:12:22] RyeBrye: It does everything for you
[20:12:39] RyeBrye: It creates a .osx-packager.dmg and then throws all the build stuff on that
[20:12:41] tjcarter: what do I need to download first?
[20:12:42] RyeBrye: it downloads all the dependences
[20:12:52] RyeBrye: You need to download the svn trunk first, then it does the rest
[20:12:56] tjcarter: yer kidding..
[20:13:03] RyeBrye: No, dead serious
[20:13:05] RyeBrye: it works like a charm
[20:13:19] RyeBrye: I'm in the middle of building Myth right now, so I can tell you that for my on my MacBook Pro it worked
[20:13:23] tjcarter: razzin frazzin motherfu... why didn't someone tell me about this six months ago?
[20:13:26] RyeBrye: (it got past the building QT thing)
[20:13:30] RyeBrye: Dunno :)
[20:13:45] RyeBrye: Oh, it does also apply some patches to the source to make it build too
[20:13:56] RyeBrye: so without those patches, you probably have bad luck doing it on your own
[20:14:02] tjcarter: Qt and whatnot or Myth?
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[20:14:06] RyeBrye: no, Myth
[20:14:13] RyeBrye: QT 3.3.6 is the only one that seems to build
[20:14:17] tjcarter: I tried using fink's qt3mac but that fails
[20:14:21] RyeBrye: Yeah, it doesn't work
[20:14:28] tjcarter: I mean, it builds, but it doesn't work
[20:14:33] RyeBrye: The only way I've gotten it to work is using the osx-packager.pl
[20:14:38] tjcarter: myth doesn't like it
[20:14:56] RyeBrye: There was a bug a while ago where the frontend would just bounce in the dock forever and not work
[20:15:08] tjcarter: I have had that happen
[20:15:11] RyeBrye: but that was because the ~/.mythtv file wasn't found and it forgot how to prompt you for it
[20:15:16] RyeBrye: that was fixed a while ago
[20:15:17] tjcarter: it then works sometimes if you run the binary directly
[20:15:20] tjcarter: (not the .app)
[20:15:26] RyeBrye: Yeah, the bundle one will wokr form the packager
[20:15:33] RyeBrye: You can actually double click it and everything
[20:15:35] tjcarter: and sometimes doing that causes the aforementioned problem
[20:16:03] RyeBrye: My MythTV just got done building – now it's building th eplugins
[20:16:06] tjcarter: some difference in how the bundle opener works as opposed to running from a shell
[20:16:33] RyeBrye: you have to --disable-distcc or else everything will fail if you try to build on your own
[20:16:41] RyeBrye: but I put that note in the wiki awhile ago so yu probably aready knew that
[20:16:49] tjcarter: I don't have distcc installed
[20:16:51] RyeBrye: (but the packager does that for you)
[20:16:59] tjcarter: my build environment is too mixed to trust distcc  ;)
[20:17:12] RyeBrye: yeah, I know – but you have to explicity specify --disable-distcc on OS X because its detection is screwed up
[20:17:27] RyeBrye: it will give you some endian check error or something
[20:17:42] tjcarter: I have an Ubuntu dapper box, a feisty, my Mac, a FreeBSD box, and a KnoppMyth R5F1 box (my BE)
[20:17:44] RyeBrye: Are you running OS X on an intel machine?
[20:17:48] tjcarter: yes
[20:17:56] RyeBrye: Once I get done building, I can send you my binary
[20:18:00] tjcarter: Core 1 Duo
[20:18:07] tjcarter: I'll be happy to try it out
[20:18:27] tjcarter: you're building trunk?
[20:18:36] tjcarter: or -fixes?
[20:18:49] RyeBrye: trunk
[20:18:51] i_is_cat: kalaidescape? ftw?
[20:19:27] tjcarter: do I need an updated BE to use it?
[20:19:39] RyeBrye: hm, probably
[20:19:46] tjcarter: I should do it myself with -fixes then
[20:19:54] RyeBrye: yeah
[20:21:45] RyeBrye: I just opened the frontend
[20:21:47] RyeBrye: the build worked fine
[20:21:57] RyeBrye: Here's all I did to get it to build:
[20:22:07] RyeBrye: cd /mythtv/contrib/osx/
[20:22:19] RyeBrye: then ./osx-packager.pl --verbose (I turn on verbose so I can see what it's doing)
[20:22:59] tjcarter: I'm still of the opinion that we need a desktop frontend (imagine WinMyth but working)
[20:23:21] tjcarter: and a FrontRow 2 "plugin" would be really appreciated  ;)
[20:24:12] RyeBrye: The OSX one works great
[20:24:15] RyeBrye: you can just double click it
[20:24:16] RyeBrye: :)
[20:24:25] RyeBrye: And it works with the apple remote
[20:24:27] tjcarter: the only way you're going to get iTunes integration would be to have a daap server feed off of the Myth database
[20:24:38] tjcarter: and that won't give you the ability to delete programs
[20:24:52] RyeBrye: There was a project a while ago to build daap into the mythbackend
[20:24:56] RyeBrye: it's int eh svn, but it doesn't build
[20:25:29] RyeBrye: I want dpap for mythgallery so I can access my iPhoto images in MythGallery over the network :)
[20:25:34] tjcarter: I think I'd rather see a frontend that plugs into AppleTV/FrontRow 2
[20:25:43] tjcarter: might be more possible when FrontRow 2 is released
[20:25:48] RyeBrye: Yeah, might be
[20:26:27] RyeBrye: but I don't care too much about frontrow integration – for Myth frontend it would basically just mean it was an icon that spun around and then loaded into Myth
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[20:27:06] RyeBrye: tjcarter – to build the fixes, just check out the fixes branch and then use the packager script
[20:27:23] RyeBrye: And hope that the packger script in the fixes branch is the updated version :)
[20:27:53] RyeBrye: (a few months ago there were some glitches in it that a couple of us discovered and submitted and were subsequently fixed – who knows if those fixes got backported to the fixes branch...)
[20:27:55] ** sphery has to decide between recording a "might be worth watching" show or continuing to hack on his master backend **
[20:28:17] RyeBrye: You can always use a VCR ;)
[20:28:34] sphery: What's that?
[20:28:48] adnick2k: I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out why mythtranscode errors out before it finishes transcoding the error i get is as follows >> Transcode (Errored: Sat Sep 1, 2007, 04:01 PM)
[20:28:48] adnick2k: exit status 139, job status was "Running"
[20:29:19] Tanthrix: sphery: MythTV is not for watching TV! You of all people should know that...
[20:29:20] sphery: Actually, my VCR can't receive the channel--I only have OTA HDTV and the only tuners are the ones in my backends.
[20:29:33] sphery: Tanthrix: true. It's for hacking.
[20:29:46] RyeBrye: DOn't tell my wife that, I could never get budget approval for add-ons!
[20:29:50] RyeBrye: (although yes, it's true...)
[20:30:18] sphery: I guess I could take a 2-hour break from hacking, let it record, and mow my lawn (which I should have been doing rather than hacking, anyway).
[20:32:30] Tanthrix: You know what they say... – "Happy yard, happy house, happy MythTV box, enlightenment"
[20:32:37] tjcarter: RyeBrye: you are aware of my thoughts on backend upgrades (and frontend upgrades too for that matter) ?
[20:35:26] adnick2k: I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out why mythtranscode errors out before it finishes transcoding the error i get is as follows >> Transcode (Errored: Sat Sep 1, 2007, 04:01 PM)
[20:35:26] adnick2k: <adnick2k> exit status 139, job status was "Running"
[20:36:47] sphery: adnick2k: Are you running with QT 3.3.8?
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[20:37:25] sphery: adnick2k: there's a known bug in QT 3.3.8 that causes mythtv applications to segfault on exit, so when scripts call these apps, they notice the app dies and they give up.
[20:37:49] sphery: I don't know mythtranscode well enough to know if that could happen with it, but I know things like MythArchive are affected.
[20:38:02] sphery: The fix is to get a patched QT 3.3.8 or to downgrade to QT 3.3.7.
[20:38:50] adnick2k: ok thank you
[20:39:24] RyeBrye: tjcarter – no, what are your thoughts on backend upgrades?
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[20:41:39] tjcarter: Nutshell is that TiVo got this right, essentially by accident =)
[20:41:51] sphery: heh. There goes that plan. Just set up mythbackend to allow the recording and went to get ready to mow and noticed that it's about to start pouring down rain outside.
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[20:42:33] tjcarter: MythTV is essentially an appliance, not something you run on your desktop system..
[20:43:15] sphery: tjcarter: I agree it's not for a desktop system, but I still think it's for hacking (and TiVo is for use as an appliance ;)
[20:43:18] tjcarter: That means that the usual way of handling upgrades (package managers and whatnot) don't for well, and people are leery about upgrading things like KnoppMyth because they don't want to break something that works.
[20:44:21] tjcarter: So really, what you want to do is build an appliance box for users and allow developers to have the tools they need as well--that's pretty easily done, since you can always add stuff to a Linux box.
[20:44:48] tjcarter: but the upgrade problem still exists. TiVo handles this by having such a small root that they just keep two of them around..
[20:45:12] tjcarter: they nuke and pave the inactive partition, dump files into it, and reboot when you're not using the thing
[20:45:45] tjcarter: I think that's a good model for MythTV-specific distributions like Mythbuntu, KnoppMyth, and Mythdora
[20:47:04] tjcarter: Of course, Myth is larger than TiVo because it does a lot more, so the way upgrades might work is to download chunks of the system (larger than typical distribution packages--more like Slackware installation components) and keep the current set of packages in some common location..
[20:47:42] tjcarter: When it's time to do an upgrade, you nuke the spare partition, unpack all of the pieces into it, and schedule a reboot
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[20:48:08] CJDBunny: hi guys, in the tv guide menu, when i highlight a program how do i schedule it to record?
[20:48:21] tjcarter: It doesn't even require a whole lot of code either--but it does require some in an unusual place, lilo.
[20:48:31] tjcarter: lilo's gotta know which partition to boot.
[20:48:33] sphery: tjcarter: sounds like a good approach. You considered working with the KnoppMyth/MythDora/whatever guys
[20:49:01] sphery: would be really easy with GRUB, too.
[20:49:11] adnick2k: how might i do that in ubuntu linux
[20:49:41] tjcarter: Well Cecil's last comments to me were "f*ck you" and "f*ck you again", but I was being a wiseass and he's been under a fair bit of pressure because of the SD changeover.
[20:50:13] tjcarter: The thing is, KnoppMyth uses a 5 GB / or so.
[20:50:14] sphery: CJDBunny: hit the select button (space, I think), then change the recording options (including changing from "Do not record this show" to "Record at any time on any channel" or whatever)
[20:50:41] tjcarter: do you really wanna make it 10?
[20:50:58] sphery: tjcarter: Well, 5GB is at most 5 hours of recordings...
[20:51:18] tjcarter: And not on a PVR-x50
[20:51:22] CJDBunny: sphery: that changes channel unfortunately
[20:51:29] tjcarter: (because you MUST use 720x480 on those cards)
[20:51:36] sphery: CJDBunny: I though M changed channels.
[20:51:44] tjcarter: ivtv wontfix bug.
[20:51:59] CJDBunny: sphery: M fires up a menu i can select program guide from
[20:52:19] tjcarter: but still, the TiVo does it effectively by having a partition that's like 256 MB.
[20:52:31] sphery: CJDBunny: I'm guessing you're in LiveTV while looking at the EPG. It may work differently in there, but there's an EPG in Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide (or something like that) that works like I mentioned.
[20:52:44] sphery: I never use LiveTV, so I don't know.
[20:52:45] adnick2k: sphery, how would i downgrade qt to 3.3.7 in ubuntu or where would i find the pacth for 3.3.8
[20:52:58] CJDBunny: sphery: ahh thanks
[20:53:08] sphery: adnick2k: I don't use Ubuntu, so I'm not a good person to answer. Sorry
[20:53:47] adnick2k: i dont usually eigther it was faster than doing another gentoo system
[20:53:55] tjcarter: You can't quite do that with a full X11 and MySQL and Myth and ... But you could do it if you stripped those things down a bit to just those bits you need
[20:54:09] tjcarter: I mean, window managers can get as small as about 11k
[20:54:29] tjcarter: and you wouldn't need anything more complicated unless you were developing on the box
[20:54:46] CJDBunny: does mythtv run on any bsd?
[20:54:57] laga: CJDBunny: frontend should
[20:55:02] tjcarter: The traditional multiuser security model for X doesn't make a whole lot of sense on a box with exactly one user (with 3 uids maybe)
[20:55:03] sphery: CJDBunny: There's probably a way to do it in the LiveTV EPG, too (which may depend on the setting, ""Use select to change the channel in the program guide"
[20:55:26] sphery: CJDBunny: and the "Record Threshold" settings in mythfrontend settings
[20:55:37] CJDBunny: cool
[20:55:55] tjcarter: it wouldn't be very hard to strip X down to a fraction of its normal glory, and that's the hardest part
[20:56:03] sphery: CJDBunny: Record Threshold is: "If the option to use Select to change the channel is on, pressing Select on a show that is at least this many minutes into the future will schedule a recording."
[20:56:09] tjcarter: could use busybox if you needed to as well
[20:56:14] xris: more thoughts... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121315
[20:56:31] sphery: tjcarter: X is only a couple hundred megs.
[20:56:47] sphery: gotta go...
[20:56:55] tjcarter: sphery: right, but you could make it a lot smaller
[20:57:04] sphery: true
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[20:57:52] tjcarter: xris: I would want another PCI slot
[20:58:22] xris: tjcarter: hard to get that in microatx these days
[20:58:24] MrSassyPants: I have some sound issues. When mythtv is recording, there's acoustic distortions, slight noise. I suspect the PCI bus may be saturated, but altering the pci latency timer didn't have any effect. is there some way I can increase the audio buffer of mythfrontend?
[20:58:31] xris: I only need one for my video card, though
[20:58:45] tjcarter: xris: I know, but .. onboard audio ..
[20:58:56] MrSassyPants: oh, I forgot to mention, the card's an emu10k1
[20:59:04] tjcarter: oh
[20:59:05] xris: tjcarter: usually works fine in fedora
[20:59:16] tjcarter: emu10k1 works =D
[20:59:27] xris: onboard optical means not having to get another soundcard
[20:59:31] adnick2k: Does anyone know how i can downgrade qt in ubuntu?
[20:59:39] tjcarter: xris: Er, oh, the problem with onboard was with framegrabbers wasn't it?
[20:59:41] CJDBunny: i wish i could figure out what sockets to use to get 5.1 on my emu10k1
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[20:59:46] tjcarter: we don't use those anymore =D
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[21:00:09] xris: tjcarter: huh? no clue. I don't use a tuner card at all
[21:00:25] MrSassyPants: tjcarter, emu10k1 works, but I think the problem is in software. I can run mplayer just fine, the noise is only in mythtv
[21:00:36] tjcarter: xris: what do you use?
[21:00:45] xris: firewire
[21:00:52] tjcarter: for five channels maybe?
[21:01:34] tjcarter: I can only get firewire for the unencrypted HD channels
[21:01:39] tjcarter: of 20, I have 5.
[21:01:55] xris: I get all channels
[21:02:15] tjcarter: Since I couldn't figure out how to get myth to record from just those over firewire and otherwise for others, I gave up on it
[21:02:19] tjcarter: er, HOW?
[21:02:44] xris: comcast in seattle just works that way
[21:02:58] tjcarter: =O
[21:03:05] tjcarter: Nowhere else...!
[21:03:11] xris: there are a few other places
[21:03:21] xris: GreyFoxx gets all sd/hd channels, too.. in canada
[21:03:28] tjcarter: =(
[21:03:41] tjcarter: my box has DVI connector that's not DVI.
[21:03:53] xris: though a single pci slot might make it hard if I ever WANT to try another recording type... and there aren't any pcie tuner/qam cards out by then
[21:03:59] tjcarter: it's actually HDMI (encrypted of course)
[21:04:41] XLV: xris, get a usb tuner
[21:04:58] tjcarter: I suspect there will be PCIe tuners
[21:05:02] tjcarter: there just aren't any now.
[21:05:18] tjcarter: It'll be a cold day in hell before we get Cablecard tuners, of course.
[21:05:30] xris: XLV: yeah.. there's always that option for the future.
[21:05:58] xris: I could get a lesser motherboard and get more pci slots, but then it'd be a lesser mobo.. heh
[21:06:10] tjcarter: Don't some of the USB2 devices encode MPEG4 of some sort for less bandwidth?
[21:06:28] xris: think I'll just get this one. if comcast ever decides to drop their fw support for SD, I'll just buy something else.
[21:06:36] XLV: tjcarter, there will be, but when? i got a a64 3500 on a gigabyte k8n sli pro, it has only 2 pci slots, and 4 pci-e, 2 1x and 2 16x. i would like something like a pvr 500 and two dvb-s/t combo
[21:06:53] tjcarter: h.263 usually
[21:07:07] tjcarter: XLV: I would rather have PCI cablecard today =D
[21:08:37] CJDBunny: does anyone use a soundblaster card?
[21:08:39] jams: xris my only concern about that board is that the spdif out works with alsa
[21:09:25] xris: jams: I don't even know how to get the one on my pundit working, so it doesn't make much of a difference to me.
[21:09:28] MrSassyPants: Anyone know how I can increase mythfrontend's audio buffer?
[21:09:30] xris: intel's stuff usually works, though
[21:12:57] XLV: tjcarter, you are talking about this http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/16/microsoft- . . . r-late-2006/ ? encrypted hd over cable i assume?
[21:14:11] tremby: anyone have experience with vga to scart cables? i'm getting a black screen. with some modelines i see white bits moving quickly across the black.
[21:14:43] laga: tremby: hum
[21:14:50] laga: tremby: what vga card?
[21:15:15] tremby: geforce 6200, i just got it today. wasn't happy with the onboard ati.
[21:15:46] sphery: CJDBunny: I do.
[21:16:23] CJDBunny: sphery: do you get 5.1?
[21:16:25] Vantage13: hi, I've been having some issues with the mythtv internal player going crazy lately. In the middle of watching a recording or dvd it will suddenly start fast forwarding, I pause it and play it again and then the sound is slow and out of sync. I have to save position and exit play the recording again for it to be back in sync. Other times the sound goes away and there's just a popping until I pause it and play it again (at which point the s
[21:16:25] Vantage13: hy this is happening only with the internal player?
[21:16:43] tremby: laga: any ideas?
[21:16:51] laga: tremby: how did you make the cable? what guide?
[21:17:05] tremby: laga: http://www.nexusuk.org/projects/vga2scart/circuit
[21:17:14] tremby: i've checked the circuit very carefully and i'm sure it's right
[21:17:14] sphery: Vantage13: sounds like IR interference and LIRC receiver picking it up
[21:17:21] CJDBunny: sphery: if so which sockets do you have each set of speakers plugged into?
[21:17:37] laga: tremby: are you forcing pin16 on scart to high?
[21:17:47] sphery: CJDBunny: I only have 2-channel output on mine
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[21:18:05] CJDBunny: sphery: i think i have that too, no chance of 5.1?
[21:18:05] Vantage13: sphery: why would that affect the sound sync afterwards? And the popping in audio?
[21:18:06] tremby: laga: pin 16 isn't connected to anything. the tv knows it's receiving a signal though
[21:18:19] laga: tremby: did you tell the TV to go to RGB mode?
[21:18:20] sphery: Vantage13: It wouldn't. That would be something else, probably.
[21:18:49] Vantage13: sphery: any idea what would be causing that? It's a pundit-r with ATI video :(
[21:19:09] tremby: laga: well one of the scart ports on the tv is labeled rgb scart, the others av scart (s-video and composite i assume). i haven't explicitly told it to be rgb anywhere, though.
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[21:20:11] laga: tremby: ok
[21:20:19] laga: tremby: wait a second
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[21:20:30] laga: tremby: just hooked up my adaptor today :)
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[21:20:53] tremby: laga: is that something i should try? i should mention that i never saw instruction to connect the connector shields to anything, so they're NC too
[21:21:02] laga: tremby: i took some notes when i was doing it: http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php?title=Benuter:Laga/RGB-TV-OUT
[21:21:05] tremby: laga: pulling pin 16 high i mean
[21:21:11] laga: tremby: yeah.
[21:21:20] laga: tremby: i think it's 2 or 3V
[21:21:28] tremby: laga: where would i get that voltage from?
[21:21:45] laga: tremby: before i connected it properly, i just used a 1.5V AA battery connected to pin 16 and pin 18 AFAIK
[21:22:11] tremby: can probably get it from ps2 port or something
[21:22:22] tremby: i'll prod my multimeter around till i get something :)
[21:22:55] laga: tremby: i used 2 68ohm resistors connected to pin.. 9 of the vga plug AFAIK
[21:23:05] laga: "15:52 < hashbang> gardengnome: you may also want to take 5V from pin 9 of the VGA connector, via a 100 ohm resistor to pin 16 of the scart, in order to make the TV switch into RGB mode.
[21:23:10] laga: "
[21:23:12] laga: yeah
[21:23:15] laga: try that
[21:23:39] laga: if pin16 is low, it'll display the composite signal. but the composite signal is just your sync signal in this case
[21:23:52] tremby: laga: ahhh, that could be it!
[21:24:02] tremby: would that mean i get a black screen?
[21:24:24] tremby: not sure if i already said, but i've tried a bunch of modelines and with some of them it there are white bits flying across the screen
[21:24:57] tremby: did you connect the connector shields to anything? to each other? to ground?
[21:25:00] tremby: mine are floating atm
[21:25:00] laga: try pin16 before you do anything else
[21:25:13] laga: BTW, no warranties if your tv blows up ;)
[21:25:17] tremby: naturally
[21:25:25] gbee: out of interest, is anyone still setup to use Zap2It? Has it gone offline yet?
[21:26:21] laga: tremby: if you get it working, i'd appreciate some feedback wrt smoothness of video playback. i'm using an nvidia 7600GS. tv-out using composite was really smooth, vga->scart without deinterlacing is stuttering a bit
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[21:27:06] Aval0n: guys if your mythtv setup has a 500gb hd can you add another later and someone make mythtv look in 2 places for recordings?
[21:27:14] Aval0n: or would it require a fresh install?
[21:27:33] tremby: laga: ok, added your irc nick to pidgin list, i'll keep you posted. i'll have to make another trip to maplin in the morning for more resistors. should get a tripad board too — all my connections are loose in the air hehe
[21:27:40] laga: tremby: BTW, it does say something about pin16 on the nexusuk.org site :)
[21:27:47] tremby: oh, i must have missed that
[21:27:50] laga: tremby: good luck ;)
[21:27:57] laga: tremby: as i said, a battery will work as well
[21:28:14] tremby: well, it doesn't matter where you get the voltage from yeah, but if it can be neat that's best
[21:28:25] laga: heh
[21:28:32] laga: i did mine twice.. first one always sucks
[21:28:41] laga: picture quality is great, though.
[21:28:58] tremby: i read a bad website and was told the wrong transistor connections so i had it backwards at first
[21:28:59] tremby: :o
[21:29:01] laga: make sure to use properly shielded wire, i'm getting some noise in my signal because i'm using 2m of unshielded twisted pair :)
[21:29:05] laga: heh
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[21:29:08] tremby: had collector and emitter swapped
[21:29:29] tremby: my cable's only half a metre or so
[21:29:34] gbee: Aval0n: with 0.21 (trunk) yeah you can just add the new drive to the list via mythtv-setup and it will use both
[21:29:36] tremby: so not too much risk of interference
[21:29:54] tremby: laga: what resolution do you have it in? 1024x576?
[21:30:01] gbee: Aval0n: with versions prior to trunk you need to setup LVM (which is a subject I know nothing about)
[21:30:05] laga: tremby: 720x576
[21:30:14] laga: tremby: 20yr old 4:3 TV ;)
[21:30:17] tremby: ah 4:3. old school
[21:30:22] tremby: hehe
[21:30:47] tremby: yeah the last tv that was in my (student) house was a 18year old tv which accepted RGB scart but not composite or s-video! bizarre
[21:31:00] laga: odd
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[21:32:16] Perdignus: I'm getting an empty/blank .asx file when I try to stream from MythWeb but the flash streamer works fine, anyone have any ideas?
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[21:35:04] gbee: Perdignus: hmm, that's an odd one – no ideas here
[21:35:29] gbee: any errors in the http logs?
[21:35:47] Perdignus: not a thing, nothing in mythbackend or apache
[21:39:06] XLV: laga, so the picture quality is much better than with s-video tv-out using vga to scart?
[21:39:40] laga: XLV: i have never seen s-video AFAIK. it's better than composite, though.
[21:39:56] tremby: i used s-video up until today
[21:40:47] laga: tremby: now everything is broken, huh? :)
[21:41:06] laga: hum. good scart cables are expensive. :/
[21:41:07] tremby: well i put the new video card in and thought i'd try to go the whole hog and get vga to scart working
[21:41:23] tremby: so yeah the box is out of action at the mo
[21:41:32] laga: 26€ for 5m.. my TV is worth less than that
[21:41:44] laga: tremby: what ati card was in there?
[21:41:53] tremby: onboard x200
[21:41:57] tremby: crap little thing
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[21:42:12] laga: tremby: supported by free drivers?
[21:42:12] tremby: xpress200, i think that's short for
[21:42:15] metalac: ok guys this is driving me nuts
[21:42:23] metalac: i'm using firewire to capture
[21:42:30] metalac: and now bunch of channels i can't watch
[21:42:34] tremby: laga: no, i couldn't get the tv-out working with radeon at all. had to use fglrx
[21:42:45] metalac: first it was the ABC HD and now it's CNN's headline channel
[21:42:53] metalac: they're not encrypted I checked
[21:42:58] metalac: unless the box is lying to me
[21:43:04] laga: tremby: radeon doesn't have tv-out support. do you know that scart-<vga with ati cards is even simpler?
[21:43:14] metalac: i doubt they'd encrypt the CNN's headline channel, but not their main channel
[21:43:29] kyi: wasn't zap2it supposed to shut off data direct today? or am I trip'n
[21:43:38] xris: kyi: it's still "today"...
[21:43:39] tremby: laga: it doesn't need the transistor and stuff, yeah i'd heard that. but i wanted to get nvidia anyway since i get poor tv performance on the ati
[21:43:41] metalac: everything worked fine up until few weeks ago, now I'm slowly but surely loosing channels
[21:43:43] xris: they didn't say when they'd shut it down.
[21:43:48] laga: tremby: sad.
[21:44:13] kyi: cool 'casue i'm still getting channel data... good thing
[21:44:14] laga: tremby: i'd suggest you try the ati again, though. free driver sounds good :)
[21:44:17] xris: plus, it's a saturday
[21:44:52] laga: tremby: i bought a nice radeon 9250.. but that box was never turned into a frontend,s o it's collecting dust now :/
[21:45:13] jblack: kyi: Still getting channel data, or still have the channel date you already got?
[21:45:29] tremby: laga, i don't see the draw of the free drivers. their performance is terrible compared to the propriatary ones
[21:45:36] kyi: new data that I just fetched
[21:45:54] jblack: btw, for what it's worth.. my zap2it expiration was supposed to be sept 13.
[21:46:20] kyi: mine is set for 10-15–2007
[21:46:43] laga: tremby: i didn't care much about performance, i just wanted some 3d accel without having to mess with the proprietary stuff. binary nvidia drivers are usually good enough, though
[21:46:50] kyi: i'm just glad it's still getting data
[21:46:53] jblack: I'd be oh-so-slightly surprised if they didn't honor it.
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[21:47:53] erpo: What is the absolute lowest version of mythtv that will work with schedulesdirect?
[21:48:04] jblack: Anyways, I moved to schedules direct last week or so, mostly to show support for it.
[21:48:31] metalac: anyone know what might be an issue with my problem?
[21:48:57] Perdignus: erpo: I thought there was only as of 0.20.2 or?
[21:49:17] erpo: F*&^!!
[21:49:29] kyi: ow good is the EIT<sp> data
[21:49:41] kyi: how
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[21:49:46] erpo: kyi: According to most people I've heard from, it is not good at all. Or it is absent.
[21:49:54] kyi: bummer
[21:50:00] kyi: had a feeling
[21:50:39] erpo: I just spent a couple of weeks tweaking a mythtv setup for my girlfriend's parents while I was at their house in another state. And now I have to update mythtv in order to get schedulesdirect to work...over the internet.
[21:51:11] jblack: erpo: I feel your pain.
[21:51:58] kyi: damn it jim
[21:53:16] erpo: My distro says the latest packaged version of mythtv is 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6. Is that older or newer than 0.20.2?
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[21:53:29] jblack: older
[21:53:41] erpo: So I'm now in compiling from source land?
[21:53:55] jblack: That depends upon your distro, and the release of your distro
[21:54:05] BULLE: erpo: if you realy need 0.20.2 and cant find any precompiled binaries, you dont have much of a choice
[21:54:21] XLV: erpo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536555
[21:54:22] jblack: Ubuntu Feisty has 0.20.2
[21:55:04] kyi: been using myth for a long time but never needed to do this before... is there some way I can set auto expire for live tv to 0... so when I <esc> from livetv it removes it
[21:55:20] kyi: right now I can only set it for 1 day
[21:55:21] jblack: kyi: Yeah, I have that set up
[21:55:57] kyi: goes up from 1 but not 0... kinda pissing me off
[21:56:35] ** jblack tries to remember how he set livetv up to delete automatically **
[21:57:12] erpo: jblack: I don't see 0.20.2 for feisty. The web page I found on the topic says that 0.20.2 is available for Gutsy (testing) only.
[21:57:29] jblack: Did I say feisty? Sorry. I meant gutsy
[21:57:55] kyi: funny sounding distro name :-)
[21:57:57] laga: erpo: http://tinyurl.com/39hgnz
[21:58:00] erpo: jblack: Ah, sorry, nevermind.
[21:58:07] defaultro: hey folks, is this the correct branch for -vid? svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/mythtv-vid/
[21:58:08] laga: kyi: next ubuntu release will be "hardy heron"
[21:58:10] erpo: jblack: I just read it's in feisty-proposed.
[21:58:43] jblack: erpo: I suppose that would interest you, and possibly others. I'm on gutsy
[21:58:55] erpo: jblack: How is it?
[21:59:48] jblack: How is feisty-proposed? I don't know.
[22:01:19] gbee: defaultro: yes, but you might as well wait, it will be merged into trunk in a couple of days
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[22:01:38] laga: gbee: i can't wait :)
[22:01:57] gbee: !trout laga impatient
[22:01:57] ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a impatient trout on behalf of gbee... **
[22:02:39] laga: :/
[22:02:50] erpo: jblack: No, I meant how is Gutsy.
[22:03:50] gbee: well, you know Gibbons ....
[22:03:56] jblack: Moderate problems. Things that worked for years will stop working for three months. Things that have never worked magically start working.
[22:05:05] defaultro: gbee, ok. So are you saying that I should svn trunk instead?
[22:06:07] jblack: I would have been happier sticking with feisty, had I not been stressed out about keeping myth running.
[22:06:11] gbee: defaultro: you might as well
[22:07:20] gbee: if you want the features currently in the -vid branch that is
[22:07:44] gbee: I'm not sure if Daniel plans to keep the -vid branch after the merge
[22:09:45] tjcarter: what's -vid branch for?
[22:09:47] kyi: later
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[22:10:44] gbee: tjcarter: testing video and OSD rendering methods/changes/improvements
[22:11:04] tjcarter: so ... "this stuff probably breaks a Mac"
[22:11:08] tjcarter: =)
[22:12:56] gbee: yes and no, in fact it includes some mac related improvements, although there are a couple of bugs still being worked out
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[22:18:02] gbee: DVDV mpeg2 acceleration etc
[22:18:52] k-man: where are the mythbackend -v options documented?
[22:18:59] k-man: for debugging?
[22:19:41] gbee: -v help
[22:20:02] k-man: thanks gbee
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[22:24:35] Aval0n: cool
[22:24:50] Aval0n: the reinstall cleared up the issue with the lines in denois3d
[22:27:53] laga: !seen knowledgejunkie
[22:27:53] MythLogBot: knowledgejunkie was last seen 16 days 18 hours 35 minutes 7 seconds ago
[22:27:58] laga: :(
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[22:33:47] erpo: Thanks for the info folks. I'm going to give the feisty-proposed repository a try.
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[22:36:52] Cyberai: has anyone ever seen a situation where myth freezes if you try to exit a recording or at the end fo the recording?
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[22:39:59] Aval0n: cyverai yeah but not since I installed .20.2
[22:40:16] Vantage13: is there a myth plugin that will mount a cd and browse video files on it?
[22:45:35] Aval0n: can you rename channels in mythweb?
[22:45:52] Cyberai: if I installed from source, how do I know which version I am running?
[22:47:08] kusznir: Cyberai: I asked that question about 2 hrs ago :) The answer is run: mythfrontend --version. (It will need to connect to X, but it won't actually open a window)
[22:47:51] Cyberai: ok, so I'm on 0.21.20070820–1
[22:48:03] Cyberai: should I try downloading the newest SVN and trying that?
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[22:48:43] kusznir: that I can't help you with :(
[22:48:53] Cyberai: well, it can't hurt  :)
[22:49:02] kusznir: :)
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[22:50:34] kusznir: Quick question: My googling hasn't been able to tell me if the Snapstream remote receiver is "universal" or not. I'm interested in using other remotes with it like I would with the serial IR receiver I built in the past.
[22:51:21] kusznir: (the new PC doesn't have any hardware serial ports, and the serial IR receiver requires an actual serial port; it won't work with a USB serial adapter)
[22:52:12] Cyberai: kusznir, I switched to a windowsmce remote because it's radio vs ir and hooks up via usb. Works great.
[22:52:17] Cyberai: the wiki on it is awesome
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[22:52:45] xris: Cyberai: my windows mce remote is still IR.
[22:52:51] xris: works better any any RF remote I've used, though
[22:52:55] Cyberai: xris, :(
[22:53:01] kusznir: Problem here is prior requirement is to use specific, already-in-possession IR remotes. If I buy the snapstream, I'd be tossing the remote in a drawer somewhere.
[22:53:29] kusznir: (tossing the snapstream remote...)
[22:54:18] XLV: kusznir, there are usb ir homemade receivers you can build
[22:54:37] Cyberai: well, one of the things I love about the winmce one is that it controls my other equipment without my having to press "audio" or "Cable" first. I can assign certain buttons to certain equipment, or more than one pice of equipment.
[22:55:08] XLV: or just get a usb receiver, i think remotes can work with them also
[22:55:10] Perdignus: MythWeb Music asks me for a password when I try to play a list of mp3's, I'm using the latest mythweb.conf.apache anyone solved this before?
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[22:55:46] kusznir: Yea, I've looked at that, and that is a possibility. This is actually for my work, though. 1) they need it to "look nice" (its going in a conference room of sorts), and 2) I don't think they want to pay me a few hours to build one....Especially if I can pick one up for $30 pre-built and nice-looking.
[22:57:02] kusznir: XLV: I would like to get a usb receiver...I was having trouble finding them. I found two, one for $50 and one for $99. They are an option, but if the snapstream receiver is also a "generic receiver", I might as well spend $30 and dump the remote. If its not a "generic" receiver, then its out of the running.
[23:00:23] XLV: kusznir, http://www.lirc.org/irda.html i am sorry there it says usb irda wont work
[23:01:13] kusznir: Uhh...is the snapstream irda? From what I understood, none of what we've been mentioning involves irda....
[23:02:02] XLV: kusznir, what you can do is get any commercial usb irda, build one of the usb ir transeivers described in http://www.lirc.org/, and use the plastic case of the commercial product to house your homemade transeiver
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[23:02:47] XLV: usb irda is cheap, 10$-15$
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[23:27:53] nitronic: what's the best way to get the proper initial tuning data needed to use dvb-utils' "scan"/"dvbscan" utility?
[23:28:07] nitronic: the files included with dvb-utils aren't suitable for me locale
[23:29:31] juski: dvb-?
[23:29:38] juski: as in – dvb-s? dvb-t ?
[23:30:06] nitronic: dvb-c
[23:30:12] nitronic: nothing for america in there
[23:30:12] juski: where?
[23:30:17] juski: ah
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[23:30:27] juski: can you not just scan in mythtv?
[23:30:50] nitronic: /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-c/
[23:31:03] nitronic: don't think so
[23:31:10] juski: nitronic: you should be able to
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[23:31:13] nitronic: well, i have scanned it
[23:31:20] nitronic: but mythtv doesn't seem to be working to well right now
[23:31:34] nitronic: is there any way to grab the mythtv scan results and dump them into a channels.conf format file?
[23:31:36] nitronic: or something similar
[23:31:57] nitronic: all that i have working right now is mplayer, on like 5 channels... i need to get a more comprehensive channels.conf going
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[23:53:06] sphery: nitronic: If you're using 0.20.2 or very recent 0.20-fixes, a mythtv scan should work extremely well.
[23:57:38] Ryushin: Can MythTV use the x.org nv driver instead of the binary nvidia driver?
[23:57:49] juski: nvidia >>>> nv
[23:58:26] juski: nv, for all its open source goodness can't hold even the dimmest candle to the binary driver
[23:58:58] laga: should be OK for basic Xv support, though
[23:59:46] Ryushin: juski: Thank you for bursting my bubble.

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