Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, August 29th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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B5Duster:

and figure something out to get it to consume less power

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B5Duster:

<sigh>

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: the driver does not exist in svn for 2.6.22 anymore

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Cardoe:

it only exists in the kernel sources

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: how would i get only ivtv.c and ivtv.h from the latest kernel tree?

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ARfdee:

i have git

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B5Duster:

with svn?

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ARfdee:

i've had to do something similar because ftdi_sio is broken for usb-uirt

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: git doesn't treat individual files as objects

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B5Duster:

oh oops

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ARfdee:

k

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|Torg|:

Cardoe according to kernel.org changelog there were no changes to the ivtv driver

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ARfdee:

"So, I uninstalled the package that I get from atrpms and then built my own from, svn revision 3931. So far it works, but /var/log/messages is full of"

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Cardoe:

|Torg|: that's the linus kernel

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ARfdee:

what is svn revision 3931?

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Cardoe:

not the v4l kernel

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ARfdee:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/users/35897

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: that was written on June 6th

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Cardoe:

PRIOR to 2.6.22

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ARfdee:

k

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ARfdee:

i wonder what that rpm was

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Cardoe:

so yes, svn [3931] of the 0.10.x driver

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ARfdee:

the atrpms one with supposedy the latest ivtv driver 1.0.2

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ARfdee:

drat, atrpms is still down

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: why did atrpms have a package for ivtv-driver for 1.0.2 for 2.6.22 kernel?

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: becaue of how Redhat and Fedora work

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Cardoe:

does your official Redhat kernel ship with the ivtv module?

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Cardoe:

no..

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: i mean, is it an ivtv.ko in addition to the kernel one?

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: yes

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Cardoe:

well then they built a new one

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|Torg|:

ARfdee a .ko IS a kernel module

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ARfdee:

torg, i know

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ARfdee:

im asking why atrpms would package the same module that's already in the kernel

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ARfdee:

man, i wish alien was still around.

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|Torg|:

what redhat and its ilk does with paackges and quaility assuarance is why I dont use them

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|Torg|:

so I really dont think I should answer your question

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ARfdee:

|Torg|: thanks, i really appreciate that

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W6SN:

whoot. apparently i got myth working again after fucking the system completely up

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Cardoe:

http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb

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W6SN:

(i haven't actually seen it... wife just told me as much)

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: considering Redhat/Fedora don't ship 2.6.22 in their current release

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Cardoe:

that's a pretty good reason why atrpms would ship it

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: it's from updates

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|Torg|:

W6SN if the wife is happy, dont screw with it

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Cardoe:

whatever

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Cardoe:

I'm done trying to explain this to you

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Cardoe:

you could have googled for 3 seconds

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Cardoe:

and found the info

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: errr, what are you talking about? it's a kernel module that is FOR the fedora 2.6.22 kernel

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cat5:

would anyone know how to correct a font display issue manually? I changed from FreeMono to FreeSans – and now no text displays

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: you're not even talking about what i am

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cat5:

:(

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ARfdee:

Linux home 2.6.22.4–65.fc7 #1 SMP Tue Aug 21 22:36:56 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

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ARfdee:

no Cardoe, that's not from atrpms

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Cardoe:

not my problem

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: what problem?

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: if you are confused from what someone is saying, it's not wise to be condescending and look silly

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ARfdee:

just ask them to explain it to you

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: I'm not confused

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ARfdee:

im not sure why you'd think atrpms makes kernels for fedora

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Cardoe:

you're the confused one

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: yes you are, apparently

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Cardoe:

that is wasting my time

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: you're telling me atrpms makes kernels for fedora

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ARfdee:

again, being condescending doesn't make you look less confused

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: atrpms do make fedora kernels

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ARfdee:

the atrpms kernel module was made for a fedora kernel release, to say they made it because the fedora kernel was not released is an idiotic statement.

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** Cardoe sighs. **

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: just shut up

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: again, if you don't know what you are talking about

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ARfdee:

just ask

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: I forget more in a day then you've ever known about a Unix or Linux system.

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cat5:

wow – a good old fashioned flame war :)

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ARfdee:

cardoe, come back! you dropped your pocket protector !

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cat5:

too bad Cardoe was wrong :)

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cat5:

I think he dropped more than that.. and left it @ atrpms..

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|Torg|:

ARfdee first juski, now Cardoe, your on a roll

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ARfdee:

|Torg|: i didn't even say anything wrong to juski

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ARfdee:

look at why he put me on ignore and you'll see

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|Torg|:

hey Im just makig an observation

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ARfdee:

well, what can you do

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ARfdee:

i was just trying to figure out why atrpms would provide a kernel module for a fedora kernel if the fedora kernel includes it

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Aval0n:

ARfdee you pissed of juski too?

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|Torg|:

well since I dont run atrpms, I dont think anyone here does, and the site seems to be down, I dont really think you will get an answer to that question

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ARfdee:

Aval0n: he didn't like a joke i had, apparently

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Aval0n:

lol what was the joke?

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ARfdee:

|Torg|: i think a lot of people here use them, it's the best way to install myth through rpms, at least on fedora

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ARfdee:

yum, really

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ARfdee:

Aval0n: he was going on about not caring for me that ivtvdriver.org was down and he misspelled something, so i told him his correction to the misspelling was 5 characters longer than just retyping "is"

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ARfdee:

so he told me to shut up and put me on ignore

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|Torg|:

ARfdee like I already said I dont use Redhat or its ilk, that includes any rpm based system

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Aval0n:

oh

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ARfdee:

|Torg|: i understand that, i'm just saying a lot of people use atrpms for myth

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Aval0n:

so it wasn't even a funny joke

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Aval0n:

:P

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ARfdee:

well, it was a digg in response to his

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Aval0n:

:)

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ARfdee:

but it wasn't to be taken seriously

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|Torg|:

ARfdee I dont have metric on the numbers of myth user by platform, so I do not even know if what you say is true or not

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: are you done being a dense moron?

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ARfdee:

i wonder if you can join the ivtv list since the site is down

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: i can't help it if you didn't know what you were talking about

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ARfdee:

i mean, maybe some people in here can help you with that

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: you're the one trying to use the userspace tools version as a kernel module

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ARfdee:

|Torg|: ok, maybe this is a better way to say it. on fedora, many people use yum to install myth rpms from atrpms

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ARfdee:

you can see it from the fedora mythology page

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|Torg|:

actually ARfdee I dont think Cardoe came here to have someone fix his problem

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Cardoe:

and referencing a patch that's 2 months old and ALREADY applied to your sources as the solution to your problem

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cat5:

would anyone be able to provide some sort of guidance – I can't seem to see any text in mythtv – could be a font problem, and just wondering if someone could assist...??

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: if you'd been paying attention, you'd notice that same link was pasted in here earlier

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ARfdee:

and i was actually talking to iggy, one of the developers in #ivtv-dev about it

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|Torg|:

cat5 what is in your X logs, try runnig it with -verbose 5

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: iggy is more like someone that hangs out in the channel.

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: not a developer

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Cardoe:

but hey..

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: i'd like to believe you, you know

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ARfdee:

but you're credibility is pretty much shot

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Cardoe:

haha

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|Torg|:

ROTFL

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juski:

cat5: try installing the mscorefonts or whatever your distro calls arial & the like

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** |Torg| wonders if ARfdee knows who is talking about **

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cat5:

X is fine – I can log in no prob.. it's only Myth text.. I can click around, and hit something, like tv (which works) or the video menu, etc, but can't actually see what I am selecting

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juski:

cat5: try installing the mscorefonts or whatever your distro calls arial & the like

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Cardoe:

cat5: what juski said is your solution

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cat5:

X is definately good as I use x2vnc, and I am vnc'd in.

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juski:

cat5: try installing the mscorefonts or whatever your distro calls arial & the like

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juski:

if you're going to ask for help at least listen to what people suggest damnit

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Cardoe:

cat5: basically the issue is the font that you told MythTV to use doesn't exist on your system

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ARfdee:

cat5: don't use vnc, freenx is way better

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cat5:

msttcorefonts in ubuntu – it's already installed.

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Cardoe:

and your freetype does not have a font to fall back on to work in it's place

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cat5:

freenx may be better – but vnc is fine for what I do... turn on the movies from upstairs for the kids

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ARfdee:

k

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Cardoe:

cat5: FreeMono is simply a monospaced font

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ARfdee:

cat5: but wouldn't y ou like to be able to hear the movie through that machine?:)

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Cardoe:

FreeSans is a sans font

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juski:

(which doesn't suck hard like FreeMono does)

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cat5:

yeah, I think I switched from FreeMono to FreeSans – and now nothing, and FreeSans is there :(

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cat5:

is there a way to manually change it? DB change?

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ARfdee:

ÙƒØ§Ø±Ø¯ÙˆÙ ‡ Ø¨Ù„Ø§ Ù…Ø®

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juski:

huh? you can't make a radical font change in mythtv's setup menus which'd screw the menus

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ARfdee:

that's for you, cardoe

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: don't care

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ARfdee:

have fun

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cat5:

juski: I just changed the font choice within mythtv settings page..

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cat5:

where the heck are the settings stored anyways?

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juski:

cat5: you can't make a radical font change in mythtv's setup menus which'd screw the menus

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cat5:

in a .xml or in the db?

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juski:

in the db

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cat5:

it wasn'

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cat5:

it wasn't radical – it was a menu selection change..

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cat5:

from within myth

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juski:

you can't

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cat5:

sure you can!

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juski:

ffs how many times do I have to say stuff tonight?!

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juski:

you cannot hose menu items just by selecting stuff in the setup menus

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cat5:

through setup, you can change the fonts used.. it's a drop down list...

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juski:

you can't choose the fonts used on menus any more than you can choose the font colour

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cat5:

FreeMono and FreeSans were my 2 choices..

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Cardoe:

cat5: select * from settings where data='FreeSans.ttf';

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juski:

that's for the OSD font

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cat5:

Cardoe: Sec...

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Cardoe:

but juski does have a point

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juski:

screw it

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juski:

folks aren't worth the time tonight

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cat5:

juski: the OSD is what I must have changed then

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cat5:

juski: Your right – it is what I changed... and thanks Cardoe for the hint – changing now...

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Aval0n:

hey juski

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Aval0n:

what's new

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|Torg|:

cat5 you do realise they both left, right"

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my2keh:

does it make sense my root partition was 100% full, rebooting it became 71% full ?

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|Torg|:

tmp

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W6SN:

or open inodes

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my2keh:

wierd

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cat5:

Torg: Oh well, both of them deserved a thank you, instead, they seemed to be in a pissy mood.. and only because I mis-understood where 1 of them was going?

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my2keh:

well fixed anyways

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my2keh:

heh

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|Torg|:

my2keh do you run samba?

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> yes

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|Torg|:

it can cause that on a heavily used system, esp on slow smb shares

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|Torg|:

what did you use to determine the file system was full?

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my2keh:

df -h

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my2keh:

I don't use the smb share that much, once in a while

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W6SN:

probably inodes that were still open but unlinked

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my2keh:

damn inodes

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|Torg|:

depending on how you laid out your disk making /tmp and /var part of the root filesystem can cause problems too

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my2keh:

yeah it is part of root

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my2keh:

dah well

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my2keh:

all fixed

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my2keh:

next question, how do I get rid of that "Watch List", or can I?

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cat5:

damn – messed up – I channged my font from FreeSans back to FreeMono – and still nothing for text on screen! :(

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|Torg|:

my2keh do you mean like not collect statiscs or mena like dont show it

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my2keh:

uhh don't show it

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my2keh:

in the list

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|Torg|:

check under the tv setings -> playback setup, but I dont think (apart from custom patching) you can get rid of it

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my2keh:

hmm k, one sec

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my2keh:

if not, no biggy

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|Torg|:

yea its there, on the 4th page of mine

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my2keh:

it's there

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my2keh:

yeah, Include the "watch list"

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|Torg|:

did you just notice it now?

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|Torg|:

and according to the update its on page 5, I must have miscounted

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my2keh:

I just recently upgraded to svn trunk

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my2keh:

been there for a while

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my2keh:

i think i can remove menu options from the screen too eh? like via XML

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|Torg|:

over a year http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/11310

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my2keh:

like "Optical Disks"

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my2keh:

I was using an old rev, 12354 or something

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|Torg|:

yes you can delete them from the menu if you want to edit the xml directly

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my2keh:

where does the xml reside?

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cat5:

can someone tell me what the 3 menu layouts are? Default is one...

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my2keh:

./mythtv/

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|Torg|:

I belvie if you simply do not install that plugin they will not show up either

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my2keh:

do you know where the XML is?

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|Torg|:

in <base>/sahre/mythtv I belive

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|Torg|:

its in <base>/share/mythtv/themes/<theme>

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kash:

why is printer ink so expensive >:(

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my2keh:

what's base?

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my2keh:

like where mythtv is installed?

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|Torg|:

depends on who made you rpacakge, it could be /usr or /usr/local

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my2keh:

10–4

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my2keh:

now to figure out how to remove menus

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

i think it's in theme.xml

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JackEStorm:

so, after a month of my myth box working perfectly with a PVR-150 and ATI HD Wonder for mpeg streams in. I decide to confgure the ATI to also do analog in, video is fine, but the audio is scratchy...I've played around with the myth options for the input, but it doesn't help...got clues?

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

mythtv in channel 52, it says that the current program is "Jewelery TV" and it's from 4pm-8pm

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floppyears:

but in www.zap2it, it mentions the correct show information

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floppyears:

how can I fix mythtv so that the tv listings doesn't display wrong data ?

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NightMonkey:

floppyears: Did you try to drop the program table and run mythfilldatabase?

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NightMonkey:

floppyears: Back up your DB first, before trying that.

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SirFunk:

anyone aware of a mirror of mythdora, seems like the main download location is down

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NightMonkey:

floppyears: Actually, a better thing to do would be "TRUNCATE program", rather.

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jams:

SirFunk- only know of the torrent

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jams:

the one listed on the forum

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NightMonkey:

Time to reboot, and dinner, later.

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SirFunk:

hmmm, i'll go check thanks

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floppyears:

hmm, I am pretty good with sql, but if I drop the data in the program table, what types of bad effect will that have in future recordings already scheduled ?

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esandeen:

anyone know if the animations can be turned off in the MePo theme?

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GreyFoxx:

esandeen: No I don';t think they cna

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esandeen:

i'm just playing with power usage on my mythbox, seeing what I can do to get it down ;)

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esandeen:

hmm actually I think maybe a change to the xml file? change <imagetype name="animation">

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** esandeen tries **

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esandeen:

that works :)

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esandeen:

no difference on wakeups though :)

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Perdignus:

If when I try to stream via ASX I get a blank page and no errors in any logfile where should I start troubleshooting?

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|Torg|:

what version of apache do you run?

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Perdignus:

Apache 2.2.4–1

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|Torg|:

works under apache1 not apache2

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|Torg|:

do you have vlc installed on your system with the browser?

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Perdignus:

no kidding? I just switched to Apache2 about 6 months ago to get asx working, which was working until 0.20.2 and yesterday's SVN

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|Torg|:

no kidding

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Perdignus:

|Torg| yup, VLC on the viewing client and that worked well till 0.20.2

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Perdignus:

Are you absolutely sure about the Apache 1 thing? I mean, if I recall correctly, I swear I switched from Apache1 to 2 just to get asx streaming to work and it was working until last weekend

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|Torg|:

im 100% sure

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loops:

anyone know how to debug myth sound issues? i get a fair number of 1/2 second drop outs (no sound) and lately some shows come in with warbling distorted sound.

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|Torg|:

do it from command line

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loops:

no strange messages in the log files from what i can see

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loops:

actually.. there _are_ some strange messages...

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loops:

MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl eno: Bad address (14)

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loops:

and 4 or 5 of TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(2047)

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loops:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb7450308] ac-tex damaged at 10 16 --- Warning MVs not available

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loops:

hmmm.. all greek to me.. but clearly something is wrong

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loops:

google shows other people complaining about some of these same errors in last few days (but on different distro)

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|Torg|:

the second thing you posted can have many things wrong

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|Torg|:

what is your input to the card? what card is it?

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loops:

hey |Torg| it's a Haupauge PVR-500 dual tuner

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loops:

it's just basic cable connected to both inputs

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|Torg|:

ac-tex damanged, no MV is from bad mpeg

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|Torg|:

common cause is bad signal

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|Torg|:

they can usualy be ignored

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|Torg|:

mpeg2video is specifically ffmpeg complaining, the error comes from it

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loops:

okay.. it's just that i'm getting a lot of bad audio.. and recently (last few days, more mythtv crashes than i've ever seen b4)

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|Torg|:

the frist thing you posted tho, I have no idea

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|Torg|:

it may be related as well

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|Torg|:

do you see any conceling errors or mpeg vectors out of boundry errors?

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loops:

well i think this card captures direct to mpeg (ie. it does the encoding, so perhaps it's a driver bug)

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loops:

|Torg|, let me check

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|Torg|:

ffmpeg is used for playback, its saying the mpeg had no motion vector. Most common cause is partial frame

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loops:

|Torg|, can't see any of those types of errors in the log

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|Torg|:

then its probbly bad signal

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|Torg|:

leme guess your runninf Fedora and got ffmpeg from atrpms

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loops:

no gentoo and just let emerge do its thing

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|Torg|:

try reemerging ffmpeg

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|Torg|:

if its current, then what you have is most likly poor signal problems

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loops:

okay.. will do. when you say bad signal.. do you mean the cable is loose, or not strong enough signal on the wire ?

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|Torg|:

either

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|Torg|:

they are quite common on my ATSC cards, but that comes in as Mpeg2 already

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loops:

okay.. i'll check that.. i just wondered if that's what you meant or if you thot reemerging ffmpeg would help fix a bad signal

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|Torg|:

no no, there is an older problem with ffmpeg that can give those as well

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|Torg|:

but you would see MV out of bouns errors too

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|Torg|:

I just wanted to be sure

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|Torg|:

you can also check your ivtv driver, but im not the one to ask about that

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loops:

okay... well i notice there is an update to mythtv to be emerged.. ill do that.. ffmpeg.. and make sure my ivtv driver is latest in kernel

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|Torg|:

there is an old message on the users list tho that says to ignore that first error

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|Torg|:

other then that, im afrid you really are a victom of week signal

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loops:

oh.. and make sure the cables are tightened down

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|Torg|:

you can try amplifying it

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loops:

is there a cheap amplifying solution?

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|Torg|:

are the noticabel errors, or just minor problems?

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loops:

i have noticeable sound issues

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|Torg|:

drop amps are usualy under $100, most are under $50

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loops:

drops out at least a few times per show

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|Torg|:

mine just pops every now and then

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loops:

okay.. well thanks for the tips.. i'll give this all a go and hope for the best..

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jimbalaya:

is there a way to get MythTV to capture from the S-Video input on a Hauppauge pvr150?

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|Torg|:

what does v4l2-ctl -n show

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jimbalaya:

quite a bit.....

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jimbalaya:

tuner 1, s-video 1, composite 1, s-video 2, composite 2 are the section names

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|Torg|:

do any of the inputs claim to be s-video?

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|Torg|:

try using v4le-ctl -i to set one of the s-video imputs and see

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jimbalaya:

ok – stuff i should probably do in mythtv-setup ..

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EnterUserName:

hey

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Barry253:

hi all – can anyone help with a feisty SVN compile prob?

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Barry253:

anyone home?

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GreyFoxx:

he'll be back in a minute using adifferent host or something calling me a f*g I'm sure

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jams:

GreyFoxx- ??

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GreyFoxx:

Cat stepped on my keyboard. That was something from a earlier today

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jams:

well at least the cat didn't type it

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KevinOman:

anyone know where I can find libmp3lame I can't find a direct download link for it

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tank-man:

probably cause you are in the usa

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tank-man:

what distro are you using KevinOman ?

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KevinOman:

tank-man: im on ubuntu fiesty

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tank-man:

how are you installing mythtv ?

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KevinOman:

I downloaded it from their website

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tank-man:

i thought there were packages for it on ubuntu

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KevinOman:

I can't find them

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tank-man:

well, libmp3lame is from lame

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KevinOman:

I guess there is a package for it

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KevinOman:

sweet

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tank-man:

you'll probably need lame-dev or something too

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KevinOman:

im installinf via syaptic package manager it grabs all the dependencies

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ARfdee:

what do i put for mixer device if i use alsa? default or Default?

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ARfdee:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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ARfdee:

doesn't say there

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tank-man:

ALSA:default

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ARfdee:

no, not the device, the mixer device

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defaultro:

hey folks, does mythfrontend have sleeping feature?

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defaultro:

was wondering why after certain hours, it blanks out my screen. Even if I touch the keyboard, it doesn't help to bring it back but is still in ps

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defaultro:

mythtv 7999 0.3 23.2 232736 119716 ? SLl Aug25 15:35 /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend --logfile /dev/null

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TUplink1:

is there a way to setup fedora to not cache larg files in memory?

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Anduin:

defaultro: If you have DPMS or a screen saver you could be seeing that, there is no blanking feature within mythfrontend itself.

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Dagmar:

I love how people ask questions and then wait for more than 4 seconds for an answer

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tank-man:

maybe he is rebooting

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ARfdee:

Dagmar: can i ask a question?

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tank-man:

...

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ARfdee:

when you use ALSA:default as device, what is the mixing device?

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Dagmar:

don't ask to ask, just ask

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ARfdee:

PCM?

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Dagmar:

Whatever you told it to lower on that screen in the setup menu

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Dagmar:

Generally Master

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ARfdee:

no, the mixer device, not mixer controls

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tank-man:

mine is default

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ARfdee:

tank-man: lower case all?

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tank-man:

yes

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ARfdee:

ok, that fixed it

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ARfdee:

thx

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tank-man:

not a lot of choices, default, Default, DEFAULT

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ARfdee:

no, those aren't the choices from the pull down, i have to type it in

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Dagmar:

I see which entry you're talking about now

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Dagmar:

I've never bothered to change that from 'default

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ARfdee:

thx again

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ARfdee:

bye

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Aval0n:

guys I am trying to deal with my overscan problem.. I got a res that looks good finally , # Modeline "1216x684" 74.0018 1216 1326 1346 1650 684 689 694 750 -hsync -vsync

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Aval0n:

it's being scaled to 1280x720

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Aval0n:

will the lower resolution effect quality for hdtv?

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tank-man:

it's your eyes, you decide

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mtaylor:

so, it I try to watchtv and mythtv is recording something, it tells me that the tuner is in use and that I should watch the in process recording

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mtaylor:

this makes sense, of course

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mtaylor:

but is there any secret config option I can set to have it just jump to the currently in-progress recording in that case?

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KevinOman:

hello I just installed mythtv and its asking for database info, do I need to create a mysql database?

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cesman:

http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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defaultro:

just got back. Thanks Anduin

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Aval0n:

anyone here familiar with nvidia-settings?

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adeffs:

schedulesdirect question, I can't get mythtv-setup to fetch listings for my firewire box. i've tried the workaround at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html#ss24.4 but escaping back and going back in doesn't solve it

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adeffs:

Aval0n: somewhat, whats the question?

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defaultro:

adeffs, maybe wait for code fixes

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adeffs:

hrm

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defaultro:

so the new script isn't working well yet?

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adeffs:

script?

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defaultro:

i haven't signed up yet, i'll do it end of this week or early september

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adeffs:

i dunno, some folks seem to have gotten it to work

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i havent seen it yet

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adeffs:

but i haven't for my friewire boxes

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adeffs:

my dvb cards added fine after doing a channel scan

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adeffs:

so hopefully the firewire channel fetch gets fixed before the 2weeks of labs.zap2it data runs out

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defaultro:

did you see my private message?

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adeffs:

yea, i responded

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defaultro:

weird, I didn't see your response

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defaultro:

just post your response here

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defaultro:

so exact or nope?

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adeffs:

exact

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

join #meedios

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

mythtv right now has some wrong tv listing information

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defaultro:

hello

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floppyears:

how can I clear it and redownload it ?

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floppyears:

can mythtv setup do this ?

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defaultro:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all?

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floppyears:

or do I need to do it manually ? meaning dropping the table & rerunning mythtfilldatabes

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floppyears:

thanks defaultro

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defaultro:

that's what I do

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defaultro:

don't konw if that is applicable in the new version 0.20.2

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floppyears:

does the backend need to be stopped before running mythfilldatabase ?

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Dagmar:

You kinda want that running, since mythfilldatabase needs to talk to it IIRC

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Aval0n:

anyone know how to run nvidia-settings from xorg.conf?

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Aval0n:

i have a modeline set that sizes correctly after I load nvidia-settings to scale it centered

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adeffs:

Aval0n: you don't run it from xorg.conf

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Aval0n:

adeffs so there's no way to make it effective for all users even before login?

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adeffs:

Aval0n: but you can run nvidia-settings -l in your xinit file

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Aval0n:

will that make the login screen appear correct to?

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Aval0n:

or is xinit user specific

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adeffs:

check the nvidia documentation but theres probably an equivalent xorg setting for what your choosing in nvidia-settings

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Aval0n:

it's a gpu scaling option

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Aval0n:

if I do centered it's correct

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Aval0n:

anything else and it goes to hell :)

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adeffs:

which driver version are you using?

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Aval0n:

100.14.11

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adeffs:

Option "FlatPanelProperties" "<DFP-0>: scaling=centered"

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adeffs:

errr

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adeffs:

Option "FlatPanelProperties" "DFP: scaling=centered"

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Aval0n:

wow awesome where did you find that at?

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adeffs:

its in the readme

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Aval0n:

omg

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Aval0n:

ok

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Aval0n:

sorry

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Aval0n:

i was lookin in the man page

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Aval0n:

didn't see it

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Aval0n:

just showed how to pass command lines with nvidia-settings

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adeffs:

yea, the man is kinda useless for xorg.conf stuff, but the readme is quite good

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Aval0n:

ty

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adeffs:

n/p

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Aval0n:

Option "FlatPanelProperties" "DFP:1 scaling=centered"

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Aval0n:

?

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Aval0n:

n.v

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Aval0n:

lol

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floppyears:

I can't remember what passwd I setup for mythtv's db,

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floppyears:

is the passwd stored somwhere in the filesystem ?

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clever:

just in the database

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clever:

i forget whhich table

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clever:

mysql> select * from videosource;

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clever:

floppyears: found the table:)

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XLV:

i have found a leadtek pvr2000 for a low price, i know in ivtvdriver its stated it doesnt work, but here http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3902&start=0 they report partial success, anyone got more info?

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clever:

!url wiki

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MythLogBot:

wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/

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drindt:

what can i do when recorded things are appear under old records but not under the player for recording?

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drindt:

s

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drindt:

what can i do when recorded things are appear under old records but not under the player for recordings?

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juski:

change the filter in 'watch recordings'. press menu & you will see

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drindt:

juski: which is he menu key?

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drindt:

juski: thanks

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sphery:

drindt: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

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juski:

mmmmmmMMMMMMM for mmmmmmmmmM enu ;)

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drindt:

hehe juski thats iam tried already

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ServerSage:

So did the schedules direct feed die as I was switching? Or do I have something hosted...? It can't seem to fetch the lineup from schedules direct. :/

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ServerSage:

Sweet, just started working suddenly.

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clever:

i cant even select sd in mythtv-setup yet

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ServerSage:

clever: Are you running .20.2?

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clever:

svn trunk

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clever:

from aug 6th i think

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ServerSage:

clever: It's in later versions.

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

im waiting on the svn update;make to finish

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juski:

and make's been running since aug7th :-P

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clever:

lol

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clever:

its rebuilding allmost a months worth of updates

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clever:

and this is just a slave backend

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clever:

might need to get the master also so the mythfilldb understands everything

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juski:

you'll def. need to update every part of your myth system. mixing versions is for the foolish

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clever:

master is rnning aug 15th

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clever:

laptop slave is aug 1st

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clever:

3 diff svn trunk versions(1st,6th,15th)

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juski:

you're living proof!

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clever:

i mainly do full updates when theres a protocol version change that breaks them all:P

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juski:

what about schema changes?

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clever:

database schema?

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juski:

you're really playing with fire there

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juski:

yes database schema changes

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clever:

if it changes too much i think it would just cause mysql errors

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juski:

stuff gets moved around, new tables/columns are added/removed

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clever:

but that all depends on what was changed

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clever:

aslong as a column isnt removed

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juski:

yeah well here you are being a bad example

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clever:

then another under the same name but diff purpose is added

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juski:

you should never mix versions, period

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clever:

it wont cause too much problems id think

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ServerSage:

clever: There ya go, thinking again...

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clever:

most it would do is maybe error out from the columns being missing

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juski:

you should never mix versions, period

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clever:

then id update and its fixed

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clever:

3 hosts busy with 'make' now...

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juski:

this is all going against conventional wisdom. All machines running mythtv as part of the same system typically have to be the same version or stuff will break

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clever:

you remember hearing anything about distcc breaking mythtv?

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juski:

distcc can break anything if distcc or gcc versions are out of step

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clever:

all 3 systems are ubuntu

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juski:

that's says nothing

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clever:

4.1.2 on laptop

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clever:

4.1.2 on media

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clever:

4.0.3 on theP4(master server)

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juski:

mixed versions. bada bing

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ServerSage:

clever: distcc between 4.1.2 and 4.03 would hose thigns.

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ServerSage:

things even.

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clever:

but the media/laptop by themselves would work i think

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juski:

but muh muh muh muh mu muhhhhhh!

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ServerSage:

clever: Yes. As long as your libraries are the same as well.

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clever:

and theP4 is 1.6ghz and needs it less

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clever:

the media and laptop are both ubuntu 7.04

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clever:

theP4 is 6.06

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juski:

ffs

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juski:

isn't it obvious by now?

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clever:

just dont have theP4 use distcc(client or server)

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drindt:

whats happen when transcode are terminates with error 247 and no transcoding are done? what can i do?

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juski:

pray?

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clever:

ServerSage: also i thought distcc was smart and worked arround things so lib's didnt matter

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clever:

ServerSage: it does preprocessing(#include's) on the client so headers on the remote ends wont matter

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ServerSage:

clever: Clearly you never use distcc.

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clever:

linking is also done on the client

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juski:

I thought somebody using the nick of clever owuld be smart. I could have been less wrong

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i have used distcc in the past

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clever:

and read its docs

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ServerSage:

clever: *shrug* Don't say Juski and I did not warn you.

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** clever tests between the systems of the same release **

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** ServerSage shakes his head at the kids of today. **

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juski:

yeah well I've given up. I don't know how many times I tried to get a message past somebody's thick head last night on 2 separate occasions. wtf is the point in asking for help & just not listening?

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clever:

ive heard that theP4 host isnt compatible with the others

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XLV:

what distribs do you guys use? i use ubuntu, bit since it seems compilation of svn is required, i could try slackware

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clever:

but the remaining 2 seem compatible with eachother

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juski:

what – and then have to compile even more stuff?

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juski:

wimp!

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ServerSage:

XLV: Pick what you are comfortable with. If you ask that question, a distro war will start...

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XLV:

ok

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juski:

so there aren't any regularly updated builds of trunk yet for ubuntu.. so what?

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juski:

install ccache then subsequent updates don't take as long in future

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clever:

ccache is on atleast one of the hosts

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** clever inserts it in the rest to be safe **

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clever:

ccache is already the newest version.

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XLV:

juski, yeah, just installed ubuntu, been in slackware for ages, dont know those devel packages of debian/ubuntu, but i guess its never too late to learn.. htpc is now a a64 3500 1GB, so even with no ccache, it shouldnt take long

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** ServerSage applies a rolled up newspaper to a few heads. **

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clever:

The following NEW packages will be installed: ccache

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juski:

mythbuntu is going to have weekly builds of both trunk and -fixes allegedly

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juski:

you could use their repos one day

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drindt:

whats happen when transcode are terminates with error 247 and no transcoding are done? what can i do?

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ServerSage:

drindt: You could not ask the same question twice within 5 minutes....

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drindt:

ServerSage: hm thats more than 5 minutes ago

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juski:

drindt: in the source you'll find a base error code. further down in the code you'll find error codes to add to the base error code to establish the cause

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ServerSage:

drindt: Oh, gee. My bad. 8 minutes...

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ServerSage:

drindt: You could also google it, or look on the wiki. Like I just did for you: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Com . . . _status:_247

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juski:

ServerSage: blasphemer! ;)

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drindt:

ServerSage: why the hell iam not find that when i use the google search on that page?

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clever:

i have a minor problem with commflagging

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drindt:

i wont annoying someone with my solved questions but sorry google search didnt answer such

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clever:

some of my channels have a dark set of frames between every comercial

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clever:

so when i hit the button to skip comercials

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clever:

i skip forward about 30 seconds

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ServerSage:

drindt: *shrug* Probably a problem between the chair and keyboard. ;)

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clever:

and have to hit it multiple times

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ServerSage:

juski: Forgive me father, for I have sinned...

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drindt:

ServerSage: hm probably :)

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drindt:

ok ok i go away :D

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clever:

and if i hit it too soon the nearest frame in the seek table is 5 sec ago

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juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search – FIRST HIT! FFS!

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juski:

!trout drindt Google101

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** MythLogBot slaps drindt with a Google101 trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

examine the search terms I used there. mythtranscode fail error 247

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juski:

amazing!

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drindt:

juski: i tried: mythtv.org: transcode 247

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drindt:

juski: i tried the following search string: "mythtv.org: transcode 247"

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ServerSage:

drindt: Try widening your search next time.

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drindt:

ServerSage: juski: yes will do sorry

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juski:

this really isn't freaking rocket science guys

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juski:

the penny is slowly beginning to drop that IRC is the bottom of the barrel, the first straw lazy idiots clutch at

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** ServerSage agrees with juski. :( **

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drindt:

nice words

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Dibblah:

Heh at "IVTV site down"...

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Dibblah:

"Sure puts a crimp on people mass-upgrading"...

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Dibblah:

Yes, we have a new update of Myth that has been moderately tested – So let's update ALL the other stuff we have installed at the same time!

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Dibblah:

And then they'll all be submitting bug reports because they updated _something else_ and "Myth is broken"...

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Dibblah:

Not that I'm cynical, you understand.

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XLV:

what if you are? cynicism is needed nowadays

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juski:

our paperless office idea isn't going too well here. we're back to using stock requisition forms & I've just found out that once purchasing have them, they're scanning them & storing em as PDFs! lmao

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juski:

in other news, Apple launches its UK TV service with episodes priced at 'only' Â£1.89. A MythTV PVR could quite easily pay for itself many times over. Thanks Apple!

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laga:

re

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juski:

wb laga

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laga:

hi juski

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laga:

how's the SD whining today?

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juski:

quick q. about the forums – can anybody have PMs disabled on their account? I don't want to receive any more :)

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juski:

not seen any so far

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laga:

PMs can be disabled, but i'm not sure if that also applies to *receiving* them

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juski:

hmm I think I'll just try & ignore them then

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laga:

what are people bothering you about?

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juski:

asking for help directly. they must just pick people with a high post count & send them PMs

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juski:

it's the height of ignorance & selfishness IMHO

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laga:

true

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laga:

well

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laga:

the best one was the guy who asked me if i could make a custom distro for him

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juski:

!!

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juski:

for free?

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laga:

kinda

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juski:

where do these morons come from?

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laga:

;)

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laga:

i did receive a few support requests privately and even answered most of them; that request was an answer.. i decided not to reply at all

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Tapout:

juski, it's setup to make you feel important not take issue with it. Feel important and ignore them.

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juski:

if they want one to one support they can fscking pay for it

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laga:

i'll just not comment on that

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juski:

I wouldn't mind. pay me an initial $10 into my paypal account, then ask away

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juski:

either everybody benefits from seeing a solution or nobody does – that's my basic policy

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** Daviey loves benefiting from juski's speeches **

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juski:

I read that linux.com so-called 'comparison' of the mythtv distros today. Oh boy. nice & balanced considering a mythdora fanboy wrote it

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laga:

darkarrak: hehe

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laga:

err, i meant Daviey

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laga:

bad irssi :(

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laga:

juski: btw, nice new icons for gantz

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juski:

they're all I can do for now. need one more for mythmovietime

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juski:

got Paul Davey's permission to use more of his icon sets

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juski:

other theme updates are to follow when I can find suitable icons

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Perdignus:

The new flash player in MythWeb stops playing after about 10 seconds, anyone else experiencing this or have any ideas for where to troubleshoot?

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juski:

maybe the ffmpeg on the fly transcoding is screwing up

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Perdignus:

I was thinking that too so I just recompiled ffmpeg yesterday from their latest SVN

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juski:

easy way to tell. if the playback stops you can see if ffmpeg is still going

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laga:

juski: is your s100 stuff gone again? would be handy to tell the agpgart guy more about the s100

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Perdignus:

it's weird, even during the few seconds it's playing I can't figure out what the process is, I don't see anything obvious with "ps aux"

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juski:

laga I thought you had it mirrored

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laga:

juski: umm, no ;)

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laga:

not AFAIK

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juski:

I can't get onto my machine to re-upload it

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laga:

juski: no worries then

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Perdignus:

juski: just to verify from someone who knows, all the streaming stuff in MythWeb should work fine with Apache2 right?

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juski:

Perdignus: AFAIK yes

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juski:

I never found it to be reliable though – and it IS in SVN trunk after all, so YMMV

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Perdignus:

Roger that, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

esandeen: No I don';t think they cna

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floppyears:

clever: I eventually figured out the passwd of my mythtv db. what's the best way of correcting the wrong tv listings data ? I checked and www.zap2it.com shows the correct information, but my tv listings doesn't

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at0m|c:

hi, on 'mythfilldatabase' i get "Grabbing XMLTV data using tv_grab_be is not verified as working." I tried google & wiki without success.. Any hints?

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laga:

at0m|c: what is the problem?

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at0m|c:

i run mythfilldatabase --manual to get first time tv listings. but mythfilldatabase responds w error above

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at0m|c:

so it doesn't show any tv listings when i run mythtvfrontend.

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laga:

hum

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at0m|c:

watching tv goes ok, tuning w/o listings works too, but would be nice to have a proper oversight :)

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caermundh:

any know how to fix aplay /dev/dsp not giving me any sound?

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juski:

caermundh: try #alsa

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at0m|c:

google returned mostly russian or chinese (to me eh) pages

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caermundh:

hummm ok thanks

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juski:

for problems that have FA to do with mythtv, try other channels. jees

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laga:

at0m|c: you can upgrade to myhtv 0.20.2. if you grabber adheres to the baseline capability, it should be detected automatgically. alternatively, use mythfilldatabase --file.

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at0m|c:

laga: thanks, but i'm not too fond going outside the repositories (except for my RT kernel). i remember using another tv_grab file before, or replacing the orig. one

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laga:

at0m|c: what distro?

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at0m|c:

running 0.20-svn20070817

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at0m|c:

2.6.21-2–486 GNU/Linux

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at0m|c:

debian

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laga:

ah, debian

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laga:

i'd assume that marillat will have 0.20.2 soon

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at0m|c:

cooles, will look out for it

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at0m|c:

cheers laga

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juski:

rofl @ the guy on the forums trying to build mythtv 0.20.2 from source for ubuntu. there are packages now.

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|Torg|:

does anyone have trancoding from HDTV contnet to lossless HDTV content setup?

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Hoxzer:

lossless HDTV sounds scary :O

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|Torg|:

why do you think that?

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|Torg|:

it would be the simplest way to transocde

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juski:

didn't think mpeg2-mpeg2 transcode worked with HD yet

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|Torg|:

ok juski, Ive tried several things and noting seems to want to keep mpeg2 intact

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Toxicity999:

man you guys are talking HD lossless encoding, I have crappy analog cable still LOL

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juski:

think there's still a ticket open for that |Torg|

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|Torg|:

ok thanks

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|Torg|:

it shoudl be rather simply tho, copy and remove cut list

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juski:

not quite

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juski:

if that were the case it'd work already since that's all it does for SDTV

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|Torg|:

do you have a track number on it?

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juski:

#3274

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|Torg|:

thanks

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|Torg|:

maybe I can get mencoder to do it and extract the cutlist from the database

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juski:

sounds like a job for user jobs!

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|Torg|:

thats what I was thinking

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juski:

the only snag being that mencoder doesn't do lossless

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|Torg|:

lavc copy?

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juski:

????

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|Torg|:

-ovc copy -oac copy

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juski:

aye maybe

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|Torg|:

lavc is ffmpegs plugin to mencoder

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juski:

but then you'll only ever get as near as a keyframe wouldn't you?

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|Torg|:

its lib av codec

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|Torg|:

yes you stil have to keep key intergrity

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|Torg|:

but hell my 8G 1 hr recordigs are about 30% commercials

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juski:

sub-optimal, unlike mythtranscode

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juski:

just watch more

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juski:

keep less

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|Torg|:

sub-optimal untill its patched :)

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juski:

I really like the 'you have finished watching' popup these days. saves me having to find it in 'watch recordings' to delete it

[16:16:55]

floppyears:

yeah, that's a cool popup

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|Torg|:

I like the Watched List, saved me from wading though al the BS my wife wants to record

[16:17:25]

juski:

as popups go. and cool apart from it looks like crap cos it's done in qt

[16:18:27]

floppyears:

|Torg|: but with watch list, you can only see stuff already watched, isn't that correct ?

[16:18:42]

juski:

no

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|Torg|:

no it leans what I watch and how fast

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juski:

stuff 'to watch'

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|Torg|:

then organises it according to what I watch most often

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juski:

yeah? wow!

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|Torg|:

i.e. puts the shit my wife records but fails to watch at the end

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juski:

that's nifty el nift

[16:19:26]

floppyears:

wow, that's awesome

[16:19:28]

juski:

another reason to use 0.21 when it comes out then

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|Torg|:

just dont turn it into the Tivo go record whatever the hell you think it is I like to watch feature

[16:19:41]

floppyears:

I thought since it said "watched" it had already been watched

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floppyears:

yeah, I'm running 0.21 from trunk, and it's really cool

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|Torg|:

only its called 0.20 from trunk, just so we dont confuse anybody :P

[16:21:05]

floppyears:

oh,

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|Torg|:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv/settings.pro

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|Torg|:

yes

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|Torg|:

took me nearly a month to figure out why everyone keept calling it .21, I thought they were two differnt things

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: I blame lead in the drinking water

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juski:

woo down to 138 open tickets now

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|Torg|:

Dagmar we dont drink our well water :P

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jams:

floppyears- i agree that it's backwards

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Dagmar:

juski: Shall I add a few more? :)

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juski:

116 even

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|Torg|:

I can add the please update settings.pro one if you like :)

[16:23:24]

Dagmar:

I haven't really leaned on 0.20.2 hard yet

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: definitel

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juski:

Dagmar: if it'll annoy the living hell out of people who ask when 0.21 will be out, sure!

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floppyears:

yeah, I was shocked when I did an svn up, and I saw so many updates and I had just done a co only a couple of weeks ago

[16:23:48]

|Torg|:

I *believe* numbering it 0.20.0 was intentional

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure I can still find one or two ways to reliably crash the whole machine from within the program guide

[16:24:21]

|Torg|:

I can do it Dagmar, switch DVB outputs as fast as you can

[16:24:26]

Dagmar:

...like, scrolling back into the past and selecting a program that was previously recorded, from within LiveTV is usualyl a good one

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|Torg|:

switch to a magional signal ATSC channel and it will crash too

[16:25:41]

floppyears:

so does the W, get to crash it very often ?

[16:26:19]

juski:

crash? wtf are people talking about?

[16:26:32]

|Torg|:

mythfrontend exits

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|Torg|:

and not very gracefully either

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floppyears:

when I am watching a program that is currently recorded

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juski:

oh during 'last century TV' mode

[16:27:31]

Dagmar:

juski: You know, that thing that happens when the box stops responding altogether and you have to press the shiny red button on the top

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|Torg|:

no duing LiveTV mode, mostly I dont watch LiveTV so I dont run into it very often

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floppyears:

at the end mythfrontend just sits there instead of letting me watch the rest of livetv

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juski:

last century TV mode == livetv

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|Torg|:

Ive only gotten recordings to crash while trying to edit the cutslits

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|Torg|:

err cutlist

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floppyears:

I was watching something currently being recording using the same tuner

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|Torg|:

technicaly it dosnt crash tho, it simply hangs

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JackEStorm:

you can also crash the frontend while watching live tv and your system clock changes.

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|Torg|:

it happens enough that I taught my wife about ctrl-alt-bksp

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juski:

JackEStorm: so don't make your system clock change when you're watching TV

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|Torg|:

JackEStorm setup ntpd

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JackEStorm:

juski: well thats no fun, then the listings will be off by an hour then every several months

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JackEStorm:

|Torg|: in this case, it was ntpd that adjusted the clock by 15 secs that caused a crash

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juski:

I know! don't use livetv!

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juski:

:)

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clever:

my master backend is dead

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|Torg|:

if ntpd is chanigng your time by 15 seconds you need a new RTC

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clever:

its stoped opening its listening socket

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|Torg|:

any change, other then the first one, shoudl be less then a second

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JackEStorm:

juski: I almost never do...

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|Torg|:

if you clock is loosing more then a second a day, its broken, really broken

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Or it's about 1/3 machines

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Dagmar:

er 1:3 machines

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JackEStorm:

|Torg|: I know, this was a restart of ntpd, I must have stoped it for somereason, or it died on me too.

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Dagmar:

Generally ntp doesn't shift the clock that hard unless it's really, really fried

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|Torg|:

hell Dagmar I run ntp on every system on my LAN, including the router and other peces of netowrk equipment, other then boots there never off

[16:34:41]

clever:

nvm backend was just taking too long to start up

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Dagmar:

Heavy network traffic can make the software clock drift pretty heavily

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clever:

i edited my ntp settings so it wont make major changes

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|Torg|:

it shouldnt, then I use my router as the ntp master

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clever:

it would slowly addjust it by small ammounts over a stetch of time

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clever:

large time changes cause mass ping timeouts on my ircd's

[16:36:03]

clever:

because the clients appeared to have not answered for the ammount of seconds it changed

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clever:

and if it changed the other direction it would probly cause them to lag -20 seconds:P

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Dagmar:

clever: Which makes spoofed NTP responses all teh more entertaining

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clever:

Dagmar: most of my systems are ntp querying a single box

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mkrufky:

hey, Dagmar ... do you know much about the rtc subsystem?

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juski:

rooaus: I could swing for you again! if themes are missing elements ffs don't mention the fact on other tickets which have nothing to do with themes please!

[16:37:03]

clever:

which is then tied to several high strata servers

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Dagmar:

Some of EFNets servers used to poll public NTP servers

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Dagmar:

...which was really fun for me. :)

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juski:

I now have a mythmusic patch assigned to me

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juski:

:(

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clever:

lol

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clever:

im polling a wide range of public servers

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clever:

you would probly have to fake the responce of several of them to get any effect on me at all

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juski:

ah now I geddit. ffs

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: I know that it is separate from the imaginary time clock, and that's about it

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juski:

I hate themes

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: for instance, looks like that hwclock utility uses the bios rtc where available... im trying to figure out how to make it (or any utility, for that matter) interface with alternate RTC's present on the system

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mkrufky:

ah, i guess u dont know then :-/

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Dagmar:

clever: Considering that some folks like to use the servers that are closest to them, guessing which three they were using was not very hard

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clever:

lol

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mkrufky:

see, i got the RTC working on the DViCO FusionHDTV cards ... but dont quite know how to make use of it :-)

[16:38:53]

clever:

im set to several lists

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clever:

so its picking them randomly from those lists

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: Okay see, right there you lost me utterly. I wasn't aware that you could have more than one. I thought you had the CMOS clock (hardware clock) and the software clock that the kernel keeps up, and that was all there was

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Spec:

What bus is the best for capturing HD, pcmcia or usb?

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juski:

PCI

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Spec:

so, second best? ^.^

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: you are correct..... however, these FusionHDTV PCI cards have RTC's on-board, that are used to power up the system prior to a recording

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Dagmar:

clever: Pretty much anyone who ran a IRC server on EFnet during the 90's deserves a lot of free beer for the hassle

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juski:

between pcmcia & USB, they're about the same.. i.e. tuners available for both buses are pretty crap

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clever:

lol

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Spec:

i see

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Spec:

so equal crappiness.

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clever:

some digital boxes output in firewire

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clever:

which could be connected to a pcmcia firewire card

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juski:

Spec: there's the HDHOMERUN dual HD tuner which has USB and IP connections ;)

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: I'd start looking at the docs for the wakeup timer stuff meant for motherboards. Odds are you should be able to get some hints from there as to what devices you should be looking for enumerated versions of

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|Torg|:

Dagmar does the 80's count :P

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: We didn't really sink our teeth in good and proper until 92 or so IIRC

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: actually ... that part is all worked out

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Spec:

thanks

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: my only trouble is that the rtc userspace api seems to assume that we only care about the BIOS rtc

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Dagmar:

I can remember it was right after Desert Storm started when I moved into the wholesale slaughter realms

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mkrufky:

i will have to speak to one of the rtc kernel devs and see what they say about it

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mkrufky:

it would be a cool feature to add to mythtv

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|Torg|:

actaly Dagmar the first time I ran a server was in 1995 if I rember correcty

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juski:

Spec: put it this way, neither bus has any problem with bandwidth, since HDTV comes already crunched up in MPEG form

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mkrufky:

...to wake up a system prior to a scheduled recording

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juski:

Spec: but if you go for USB make sure the computer has USB2

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: That could be a problem yes, but if it's accessing something in /dev, usually there's a major number that points to the driver, and a minor number that points to the instance of a device that driver is handling

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Spec:

juski: it's for a friend, i'd buy PCI =D

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Esine:

what does --enable-proc-opt really DO when compiling mythtv? everyone says you should use it for HDTV stuff, but why?

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: ...although in this case that appears not to be it

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mkrufky:

Dagmar: yes ... thats what i need to investigate. the rtc driver that loads up claims that it's adding rtc(1) , but no dev node is created

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juski:

Spec: ok then if 'they' go for USB make sure they've got USB2

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Dagmar:

mkrufky: Why can't you use the wakeup built into your motherboard?

[16:44:22]

mkrufky:

i can

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mkrufky:

actually, *I* will never use this feature

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Spec:

yeap, just asked her

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mkrufky:

i leave the system always on

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mkrufky:

but i am doing this because it's a nice feature on the DViCO boards

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Spec:

so if it's not a bandwidth problem, why are usb/pcmcia tuners crap?

[16:45:01]

Dagmar:

Torq: Well, in my defense, the night I killed over a third of efnet it was to stop one of the neosoft opers from stalking female coeds on campus

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mkrufky:

and id like to make it available to users ... it is worth it, for those whose bios dont support the feature

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juski:

Spec: the people who make them ;)

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Spec:

i see, so no good recommendations on a specific usb tuner? =P

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clever:

Dagmar: and how does killing irc networks stop stalkers?:P

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: He was kinda abusing his oper status to search for masks of *.mtsu.edu and then looking to see if they were female in the school directory, and then hitting on them

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Spec:

clever: clever.

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juski:

for HDTV in the USA, HDhomerun all the way. not a personal recommendation but I hear good things about them

[16:45:57]

Dagmar:

clever: well, it's hard to chat up a girl when your IRC client is filled with madly scrolling nick collision messages

[16:46:10]

clever:

lol:)

[16:46:21]

clever:

quit messages can easily be hidden

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Spec:

it's harder if you just ban the person

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clever:

teaching the posible blond on the other end how to do it though is harder:P

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Dagmar:

So after someone asked me to look into it, knowing I was a judgemental bastard of the first order, I cooked up a customized copy of Chaos that could handle sixteen connections at once without a problem

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clever:

lol:)

[16:47:14]

Dagmar:

clever: Not when you're an IRC oper and you're supposed to be watching for them you can't.

[16:47:23]

clever:

i better not upset you:P

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Spec:

why isn't the dev channel mythtv-dev and the users channel just mythtv? :p

[16:47:48]

clever:

i know of bugs in my highligh and ping systems that could easily be abused

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Hoochster:

<juski> for HDTV in the USA, HDhomerun all the way. not a personal recommendation but I hear good things about them

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clever:

i just havent fixed them since no1 has found them:P

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Hoochster:

I personally just got one and hooked up at my parents last weekend

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|Torg|:

clever worse is when users attmpt to take over channels based upon netsplits

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Hoochster:

they love it

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Hoochster:

that with SD made a perfect match

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Spec:

SD?

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Dagmar:

it was simple... pinch off neosoft's connetion with a small amount of flooding against an underpowered router, wait for it to disconnect, have clones ready, and tumble nicknames like mad as the new users joined

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Hoochster:

SchedulesDirect

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clever:

|Torg| +z prevents that(channel doesnt go away when empty and so the taker over guy doesnt gain @ on creating it)

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clever:

|Torg|: also other server options will deop people in the nwer version of the channel when merging the networks

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Dagmar:

clever: What made it very easy was that the wanker would do this from one of the public labs on campus, where I could sit about 10 feet behind him and see what was on his screen.

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|Torg|:

+z is not part fo RFC1459 AFAIK

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clever:

Dagmar: lol:P

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clever:

|Torg|: but all channels have a create timestamp

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|Torg|:

and it most certainly wasnt in any ircd at 1995

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Dagmar:

clever: So I'd watch for him to start a'mackin' on girls, and then drop his server

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clever:

|Torg|: and if i remake a #mythtv-users on the split off server and gain @ it will have a newer timestamp

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Dagmar:

He'd abandon bothering them for awhile, and then he'd do it again, and I'd blast another big chunk of users offline

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clever:

then when it merges the servers see that its newer and dont trust any of the @'s in it and deop them

[16:50:31]

clever:

lol

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clever:

you could just spoof his mac/ip and cause his irc client to die:P

[16:50:56]

clever:

or send him a ping of death:P

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Dagmar:

No, I couldn't.

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|Torg|:

and cleaver again timestamping cvhanels i not part of RFC1459, only keeping server time is

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|Torg|:

so again this is a faeture that was added later on

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clever:

Dagmar: why not?

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Dagmar:

That lab was a bunch of DOS PC's running Telix over a serial connection through to a terminal server connected to a communal HP/UX box

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Dagmar:

...which I had root on.

[16:51:27]

Dagmar:

Always.

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clever:

lol

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juski:

telix.. lol

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Dagmar:

I could have just logged him out, but I figured that would be a little rude

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clever:

cant you just kill -9 his irc client then?

[16:51:54]

clever:

ahhh:)

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juski:

we use the bastard son of Telix here. Procomm. it's shite

[16:52:10]

clever:

and with a serial copnnection and tons of quit msgs it would lag painfully

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Dagmar:

Yep

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clever:

(ive used serial console on linux before)

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juski:

putty's ok til it crashes

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|Torg|:

try serial over the I2C bus

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clever:

lol

[16:53:07]

Dagmar:

clever: Besides, it's never exactly a good idea to show your hand so obviously as to go 'round killing other people's processes.

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clever:

kill -segv `pidof ircclient`

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clever:

now his client will get a seg fault

[16:53:41]

clever:

he will blame bugs in the client:P

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Dagmar:

Well, that also wouldn't have let me show some really cool numbers to the guy who wrote chaos. ;)

[16:54:10]

clever:

a bug in my bnc caused it to seg fault anytime a utf8 char was seen on irc(which was painfull)

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Dagmar:

I set a serious record that night

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clever:

ahhh lol:P

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Dagmar:

8,000+ collisions in two hours, 3,000+ collisions in one go, several times

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clever:

lol

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clever:

what was the chaos program designed to do at first?

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Dagmar:

Nick collide

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clever:

ahh

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Dagmar:

It was just for evil.

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clever:

but how would it split the servers to make colisions

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Dagmar:

It also kept a count of how many people you'd collided per session, and over time

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clever:

lol:)

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Dagmar:

clever: It wouldn't. You'd either monitor for a split and then jump to the far side of it, or you'd make one yourself.

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clever:

ahhhhh

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Dagmar:

Things were much more fun when chargen and echo were still enabled on 3/4 of the 'net.

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clever:

so you used 2 things(one to split things then another to cause colisions)

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clever:

i have chargen enabled on one of my lan pc's

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Dagmar:

A series of spoofed packets would *easily* create a loop that spewed garbage between two machines endlessly

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|Torg|:

colioiosn occur when two objects on both sides of the split net come toghether

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clever:

so i can max out the wifi for a inf time when i want to test the bandwidth limits

[16:57:18]

|Torg|:

you would cause a split, hop to the other side, assume the identiy of whoever you want to colide with and wait

[16:57:30]

Dagmar:

|Torg|: SCrew waiting. Change nicks again so you don't lose your clone. ;)

[16:57:35]

clever:

yeah but to make that many colisions you would need to connect with 500+ nicks and then colide those when the split heals

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|Torg|:

its called screen

[16:57:54]

Dagmar:

You only had to change to the victim's nick, send out a ping to yourself, and then change again.

[16:57:59]

drindt:

juski: i plan to translate some untranslated text into mythtv where i send my changes? the usual way is to send it to the dev mailing list a patch is that ok?

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|Torg|:

there were bots that did that specifically as well

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clever:

most ircd's nowadays block you if you connect too many clones

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Dagmar:

The ping would reach the other server with the "real" user, that server would see that the usermasks didn't match, decide something was really boned, and dump them.

[16:58:53]

clever:

also most nick colisions can be done based on timestamp of the nick(kill the newer guys)

[16:59:09]

clever:

so the older(first/real owner) doesnt get hit

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Dagmar:

I managed to hold #nazi for a week solid once. :)

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|Torg|:

timestamps were introducted later on just for that reason

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

I don't think any actual nazis were *ever* in that channel. Too many hackers were taking it over constantly.

[16:59:59]

clever:

ahhhh

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|Torg|:

but timestamping was never part of the origial protocal, AFAIK it sitll isnt

[17:00:18]

clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

clever: There is a LARGE body of evidence to support that the driving force behind advances in network security during the early 90's were mainly due to IRC warfare.

[17:00:42]

clever:

the ircd's i deal with convert nicks into 5char codes(which are static for the life of your connection)

[17:00:53]

clever:

lol

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|Torg|:

in fact Dagmar it part of most companies current securty policy not to run ircd servers

[17:01:34]

Dagmar:

That's a smart policy

[17:01:42]

clever:

for example my nick on my network is AFAA1 on the internal server->server protocols

[17:01:44]

Dagmar:

You pretty much couldn't even PAY me to run one

[17:01:56]

clever:

which probly aid's in parsing things and saves bandwidth

[17:02:13]

|Torg|:

bandwidth is really minimal, even for a hub

[17:02:18]

Dagmar:

Someone came up with the bright idea to run one at my office and I advised very strongly against it

[17:02:22]

clever:

convert the base64 code to an int and dig an array

[17:02:24]

|Torg|:

its mostly the conntection you woryy about

[17:02:35]

Dagmar:

|Torg|: Yes, until someone wants a channel.

[17:02:46]

clever:

the first 2 digits(AF) are the server number(uniq within the network)

[17:02:55]

Dagmar:

THEN things get ugly

[17:02:59]

clever:

the last 3(AA1) are the user number within the server

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|Torg|:

yes Dagmar I was talking about "normal" operation

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Dagmar:

Take ICMP filtering for instane.

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Dagmar:

s/instane/instance/;

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clever:

i run a ircd out of my house

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|Torg|:

clever you do firewall it and put it in a DMZ, right?

[17:03:58]

Dagmar:

If the servers weren't properly filtered, a few thousand (not actually much volume) packets could generally break a connection between two servers by sheer luck and cause a disconnect

[17:04:04]

clever:

there is a router bwteeen the web and the lan

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laga:

it's run as root on his firewall i bet ;)

[17:04:11]

clever:

and the ircd is on some of the lan pc's

[17:04:16]

clever:

with just the ircd ports forwarded

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Dagmar:

Ideally you'd want to do that with as low a volume of packets as possible so no one figures out what's goind on

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clever:

enless you buffer overflow the ircd you wont be able to get that far

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Dagmar:

Kids nowadays are just stupid.

[17:05:05]

clever:

one of the ircd's does run as root:P(but ive stoped putting new ones there and plan to move some out of root)

[17:05:09]

Dagmar:

If you break the WHOLE network, there's no one to torment.

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|Torg|:

clever here is one of MANY MANY explots for ircd servers http://insecure.org/sploits/ircd.overflow.DOS..html

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** clever looks up my ircd **

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clever:

mine isnt on that page

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|Torg|:

its very old, I doubt whatever you run has that unpactched

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|Torg|:

it was simply the first out of many I broght up

[17:06:36]

Dagmar:

There's a whole lot of crap you can't access without having an O flag now, for very good reason

[17:06:37]

clever:

a friend runs a static ip hub for me and his copy of my ircd segfaults every now and then

[17:06:55]

clever:

i know of another irc network

[17:06:58]

clever:

with a custom ircd

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clever:

tons of problems

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|Torg|:

if it segfaults get a coredump and backtrace it at least

[17:07:16]

Dagmar:

Heck there was even an exploit you could do by setting a really long channel key that would turn into allowing you to send arbitrary server commands.

[17:07:19]

clever:

breaks 90% of the rfc

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clever:

|Torg|: we got a bt at one point but it lacks debug symbols

[17:07:47]

clever:

the server that breaks rfc's

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|Torg|:

you didnt compile the ircd youself?

[17:07:51]

clever:

whois refuses to reply

[17:07:59]

clever:

nothing sends unkown command

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clever:

|Torg|: not yet but i know where the source is

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clever:

if i send realy long privmsg's(500+ chars)

[17:08:23]

clever:

they merge up

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Dagmar:

clever: Get gcc 4.1.2 and compile with -fstack-protector-all before someone finds you

[17:08:34]

clever:

2 msgs wind up as 1 jumbled mess

[17:08:46]

clever:

lol

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clever:

i was testing some buffer overflow examples before

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clever:

and they didnt work

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clever:

stack overflow detected:P

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clever:

something protected me without me wanting it:P

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Dagmar:

Probably the pro-police patch added to gcc if it's a version before 4.1.2, or there's also a few other methods

[17:10:06]

Dagmar:

It's much harder to do the other overflow variants (heap, etc) on a "busy" machine

[17:11:26]

clever:

i found a flaw in my kernel a while back

[17:11:29]

clever:

data leakage

[17:11:42]

clever:

when reading a usb harddrive i got 'random' data

[17:11:58]

clever:

and half the time it contained strings from the mysql server

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Dagmar:

grep for strings. :)

[17:12:11]

clever:

what i beleive happened

[17:12:24]

clever:

the kernel would alocate a page for the read of the block device

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clever:

fail to read the usb drive

[17:12:33]

Dagmar:

One of the uglier ways of stealing shadow files amounts to crashing passwd or something similar

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clever:

then return that uninitialized page to userspace

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clever:

without an error

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Dagmar:

You'd dig through the coredump, and lo and behold the whole thing would be right there

[17:13:12]

clever:

reading the same block on the hdd multiple times just returned diff info

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Dagmar:

VMS was particularly vulnerable to that sort of insanity for awhile

[17:13:39]

clever:

i think the core dump would be owned by root then maybe

[17:14:23]

Dagmar:

clever: There were a number of things which were patently insane that were pretty standard during the early 90's

[17:14:29]

Dagmar:

Things like, file giveaways.

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clever:

lol

[17:14:46]

Dagmar:

unchecked environments

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clever:

i know of a server with a game called root this box

[17:14:55]

clever:

you putty into an act

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Dagmar:

glibc *used* to not flush LD_PRELOAD when invoking a suid library

[17:15:13]

clever:

you have a source file and the compiled version of it(set uid to the next level)

[17:15:18]

Dagmar:

...which made getting root very, very easy

[17:15:24]

clever:

and a file that the next username can only read containing its password

[17:15:42]

clever:

so you have to exploit the setuid prog to read the pw for the next level

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clever:

the one i was working on would exec the cal program(with a user suplied arg)

[17:16:21]

clever:

and the thing was passed thru sh

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Dagmar:

I did one of those types of things *once*

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Dagmar:

Mainly it's not worth the time

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clever:

if i ask it for 'cal 2007;rm -rf /'

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|Torg|:

I was begnning to wonder Dagmar :P

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clever:

it would do that as the target username:P

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clever:

rtb2@hack:~$ ./year "2007\";cat \".rtb3_password"

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clever:

...

[17:16:46]

clever:

30 31

[17:16:47]

clever:

quod-dico

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Dagmar:

...and it really pisses off the guy doing it when you exploit something like their careless creation of files in /tmp to generate the stats

[17:16:57]

clever:

then they added quote protection at the next level

[17:17:24]

clever:

symlinks can often be harmfull

[17:17:31]

Dagmar:

I was like "What? Wasn't I supposed to get root?"

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clever:

ln -sv /etc/shadow /tmp/yourstatictempfile

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clever:

now wait for you to write to that staticly named file as root...

[17:18:06]

Dagmar:

Wait?

[17:18:08]

Dagmar:

Never wair.

[17:18:12]

Dagmar:

Waiting is for lamers.

[17:18:17]

clever:

depends on how its triggered

[17:18:22]

Dagmar:

Real hackers do something to make the admin go and trigger that right then and there.

[17:18:23]

clever:

it could be from a crontab

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clever:

or a http script

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Dagmar:

I always loved admins who had . in their PATH

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clever:

or that if you want to risk it:P

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clever:

lol

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clever:

echo "#!/bin/sh\nrm -rf /" > ls;chmod +x ls

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clever:

go run ls in my home dir will ya i need to find a file:P

[17:19:28]

Dagmar:

Drop some scripts into /tmp with filenames that were typos of commands, then fill up /tmp with crap and wait for them to typo

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clever:

enless . is before eevrything else in path....

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|Torg|:

just explit login, take over the box, then rootkit the damn thing so you can setup your warez dump

[17:20:13]

clever:

lol

[17:20:21]

Dagmar:

clever: How many times after you've been using DOS for a bit have you say, typed `copy` at a shell prompt?

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|Torg|:

no need to fool any admin, hell its better if nobody every logs into the box at all

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clever:

ive allmost never used copy at a shell in linux:P

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clever:

i allways use cp

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Dagmar:

See, `dir` is also another good one.

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Dagmar:

..as is lls

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|Torg|:

Dagmar how any times have you tryed to seach with / in notpad or exit with :wq

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clever:

i never use dir either(and its a valid binary on my system)

[17:21:27]

clever:

ive tryed to edit kate and gedit with :wq

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clever:

exit*

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|Torg|:

I cant count the number of times I typed ps fax on my solaris boxes

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Dagmar:

Being allowed to view other users' crontabs is another patently insane thing that used to be common

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clever:

my dad still thinks you need to be in the folder of binarys for running certain programs

[17:22:39]

clever:

doesnt fully understand how path works and that half those folders are allways in path

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Dagmar:

I liked PATHs with directories in them that didn't exist... yet.

[17:23:20]

fryfrog:

i always do the opposite, goto my windows box and type "ls"

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fryfrog:

and i'm like "wtf?

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clever:

lol

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clever:

he's using a 'remote service network' to access pc's in the hospital to fix them

[17:23:50]

clever:

basicaly its a vpn tunnel into the firewall to access certain pc's

[17:24:14]

clever:

i start explaining how i can recreate its functions with my lan and vpn clients and he tunes me out:P

[17:24:38]

clever:

says that if i dont get off the pc and get an education i'll never get out of the house

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Dagmar:

So, he's on a hospital network

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clever:

remotely

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clever:

from home

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Dagmar:

The VPN is probably lipstick on chicken

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clever:

he has to login to an ipsec vpn

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clever:

then start up another vpn client

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clever:

i think its 2 vpn's wraping the connections

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Dagmar:

Yeah, that's warning sign number one

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Dagmar:

It means someone in control is freaked out enough to think adding multiple layers of VPN is going to help

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Dagmar:

There's probably a SCO box on their network somewhere

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clever:

the 1st vpn is to the company network

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clever:

all emloyees access it

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clever:

the 2nd vpn within there is to access the hospitals

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clever:

i think it was setup that way more to deny access to certain parts

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Dagmar:

clever: Honestly it would probably be easier to compromise the systems used for medical records storage outsourcing and go in backwards

[17:28:44]

clever:

i heard of one system

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clever:

xp based

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clever:

they put it on the web unprotected

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clever:

it got so many virus's they 'couldnt clean it and had to replace the hdd'

[17:29:41]

clever:

i dont see why you cant just pop in a cd and format the damn drive:P

[17:29:55]

Dagmar:

clever: That's like wondering why the monkey won't let go of the nut

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

Monkey trap: Find hollow gourd, cut hole in gourd just large enough for a tasty nut to go inside. Tie gourd to something outside, wait for monkey. Monkey smells nut, reaches in and grabs nut, tries to pull out hand and can't.

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clever:

lol

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|Torg|:

Dagmar have you been watching Discovery again

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clever:

sounds like something fun:P

[17:31:53]

Dagmar:

|Torg|: No, I've used it as an example for years. I think I learned about it from satellite TV when I was in high school

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clever:

now setup a ring of fire and see if he is willing to drop the nut to live:P

[17:32:23]

Dagmar:

clever: Panic *might* actually make him let go of the nut. Largely, a monkey trapped like that can just be grabbed

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clever:

lol

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|Torg|:

Dagmar I figured taht or you have been watching my neighbers :)

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clever:

panic might also make him jump before letting go

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clever:

and get his hand wedged in the hole

[17:32:58]

clever:

then he might not be able to let go

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Dagmar:

Torq: Well, I live in Tennessee, so it's a bit like being surrounded by hairless chimpanzees, yes

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|Torg|:

I live in rural Texas, same thing

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clever:

i just had a idea to make it a bit better

[17:33:26]

clever:

put a nuise type loop over the hole

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Dagmar:

OMG STORMS

[17:33:36]

Dagmar:

I must go outside@!

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clever:

so when he pulls the whole thing he tighens the loop arround his arm

[17:33:54]

clever:

even if he gets his hand out of the hole its got a rope arround it

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Dagmar:

We've had maybe, MAYBE, an eighth of an inch of rain *all month*

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clever:

harder you pull the tighter it closes

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

I just looked over at the weather applet and though "what's that weird gray symbol for"

[17:34:29]

Dagmar:

OH, it's a RAINCLOUD

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

I'd been looking at the sun and moon on that thing for so long I'd forgotten it could show other things

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|Torg|:

Dagmar you mean it has things OTHER then that thunderstorm icon?

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Dagmar:

Bite me man

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Dagmar:

I was beginning to feel dried out on the inside until I went to Atlanta last weekend

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|Torg|:

Dagmar be carefull of what you wish for, we have ppl here who lost there entire houses and dont have flood insuance

[17:38:51]

Dagmar:

Dude, I've been watching CNN on the news talking about Dallas being underwater, then Ohio being underwater, Michigan being underwater, all these places, etc etc all month

[17:38:56]

Dagmar:

It was beginning to look like gloating

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Dagmar:

We have our own variation on California Fire Season starting here

[17:39:46]

Dagmar:

The lovely golden tone of yards and medians dried to straw, interspersed with swathes of black where someone's cigarette butt started a grass fire

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clever:

would it be posible to open a normal v4l webcam in mythtv without having to give it a full channel listing

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clever:

and still have the pvr features

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|Torg|:

mythzoneminder?

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clever:

yeah i think that might be it

[17:42:16]

clever:

i'll check that on the wiki

[17:42:17]

clever:

!url wiki

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MythLogBot:

wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/

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|Torg|:

I dont use it, but I think thats the purpose of the plugin

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yhan:

hi

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yhan:

do you know guys if the ubuntu packages for feisty has been migrated to scheduledirect ?

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juski:

according to mythtvnews.com, yes

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yhan:

thanks

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juski:

probably depends which repositories you use though

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yhan:

the defaults from ubuntu

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juski:

I wouldn't bank on it then

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yhan:

juski, any idea which one i should use ?

[17:51:03]

juski:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5365 . . . dules+direct

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yhan:

thanks

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juski:

might've known superm1 would come through ;)

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laga:

it's in feisty-updates AFAIK

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directhex:

i've put up 0.20.2 packages for dapper too, if anyone still uses it

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laga:

directhex: cool stuff

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|Torg|:

is there a way to overwrite the comflagg list with the custom cutlist other then directly editing the sql?

[18:35:07]

fryfrog:

anyone play xbox360?

[18:35:17]

|Torg|:

yes fryfrog why?

[18:35:31]

fryfrog:

looking for friends :)

[18:35:35]

fryfrog:

i only have like 3 :(

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|Torg|:

oh I dont play online

[18:35:53]

fryfrog:

don't even go onto live at all?

[18:35:57]

|Torg|:

nope

[18:35:59]

fryfrog:

or just no online multiplayer (ie, gold)

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fryfrog:

wow, even with silver i think xbox live is teh neat with all the trailers and game updates and such

[18:36:31]

|Torg|:

I thik I signed up for gold once, and never did anything more then that

[18:36:53]

|Torg|:

I could go fire it up and see if you like

[18:37:06]

fryfrog:

nah, doesn't matter :)

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a1fa:

hello

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fryfrog:

hi!

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a1fa:

is anyone having sound issues with flash player in mythweb

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juski:

sound issues? ah you'll be needing a non-crippled ffmpeg

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a1fa:

;P

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a1fa:

what do you mean jus

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juski:

I mean you need an ffmpeg which supports mp3 etc

[18:48:17]

clever:

my ffmpeg is criplled

[18:48:23]

clever:

seg faults on the nuv files

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clever:

ffmpeg segfaults but ffplay doesnt

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a1fa:

juski : heh

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a1fa:

juski : i am using debian packages for ffmpeg

[19:03:32]

juski:

and?

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sphery:

Debian packages tends to indicate no "non-free" code. MP3 is non-free, so...

[19:03:47]

juski:

I have no idea if they support mp3 out of the box

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|Torg|:

a1fa add deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main to your sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install ffmpeg

[19:03:52]

a1fa:

it says it does

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|Torg|:

no they dont

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a1fa:

i am using unstable

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|Torg|:

fine put in unstable then

[19:04:42]

** juski hands a1fa a beermat or 2 to help stabilise it **

[19:04:52]

Eclipsor:

would it kill mythtv if I changed the names of the recorded shows from the date of recording?

[19:04:54]

gbee:

can anyone recommend small (portable) USB Audio speakers that actually work? The nice little pair I got from Maplin cause the whole USB subsystem to crash (well it's actually the ALSA driver, but clearly not all devices can have this same problem)

[19:04:56]

Eclipsor:

or is that crucial to some operation

[19:05:07]

sphery:

Eclipsor: don't change the names

[19:05:11]

Eclipsor:

:\ dang

[19:05:12]

|Torg|:

Eclipsor its crucial to the cutlist, playback, and recorded table

[19:05:20]

juski:

Eclipsor: don't manually alter any filenames or delete any files

[19:05:22]

|Torg|:

link them to new names, dont change them

[19:05:23]

juski:

or move them

[19:05:25]

sphery:

Eclipsor: There's a program call mythrename.pl that will do it (correctly) for you, but I still recommend you don't do it.

[19:05:39]

Eclipsor:

was hoping to change them to the names of the actual episode so I could open it up with smb and let some people on my network have at them

[19:05:44]

sphery:

Eclipsor: Use "mythrename.pl --link" to build a directory view of your recordings using good names for the links.

[19:05:45]

Eclipsor:

|Torg|: thanks for the suggestion

[19:05:47]

juski:

use mythrename.pl – esp. mythrename.pl --link to make symlinks

[19:05:50]

Eclipsor:

!

[19:05:52]

Eclipsor:

even better :D

[19:06:12]

|Torg|:

knoppmyth has a nice perl script to make a pretty directory for you

[19:06:15]

juski:

e.g. mythrename.pl --link $dir-you-want-to-contain-the-symlinks

[19:06:19]

Eclipsor:

heh

[19:06:20]

sphery:

I /highly/ recommend using links, too... There are still some issues when you change names.

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Eclipsor:

you guys are psychic

[19:06:28]

a1fa:

|Torg| : E: Broken packages

[19:06:28]

Eclipsor:

I was just about to ask that juski

[19:06:35]

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|Torg|:

a1fa what reports broken packages?

[19:06:53]

a1fa:

bunch of packages

[19:07:00]

|Torg|:

go fix them then

[19:07:01]

a1fa:

libc6 being one more important

[19:07:03]

juski:

a1fa: use the source!

[19:07:16]

a1fa:

juski : i want to redo my box anyway

[19:07:18]

juski:

building ffmpeg from source puts hairs on your chest

[19:07:29]

a1fa:

i need to go back to stable

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[19:08:05]

a1fa:

i've been putting it off for months nopw

[19:08:30]

juski:

oh noes! evelly body upglade to new version!

[19:08:30]

gbee:

building most things from source these days is pretty straight-forward – ./configure; make; sudo make install

[19:08:37]

sphery:

Eclipsor: I recommend using mythrename.pl --link /path/to/directory --format '%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%T-%S' --separator '-' --replacement '_'

[19:08:43]

sphery:

(I don't like spaces in filenames)

[19:10:44]

sphery:

Eclipsor: formats sorted: by time, '%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%T-%S' ; by title, %T/%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%S' ; by recording group, '%U-%T-%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%S' ; by category, '%C-%T-%Y%m%d-%H%i-%eH%ei-%S' ; by title/original airdate '%T-%oY%om%od-%S'

[19:10:52]

sphery:

I do all 5 "views"

[19:11:22]

sphery:

so I choose the dir that's sorted appropriately depending on how I'm looking for a recording

[19:11:51]

|Torg|:

btw juski I got the HD cut and transcode to work, altho its results are less then spectacular. The cut mpeg works fine, no problem with keyframe or other. The size savings however are inconsequential, 206M out of 8.6G

[19:12:07]

juski:

|Torg|: heheh

[19:12:23]

|Torg|:

so 4 hours of work just to prove there is no need to use it :(

[19:12:28]

juski:

maybe less than 30% ad content then

[19:12:44]

juski:

or maybe they crank the bitrate down for adverts...

[19:12:51]

|Torg|:

no its 30% of add content, the only thing I can figure is those are in SD so the bitrate is down

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|Torg|:

I know the pillarbox them and the sound is not in AC3, but I never guessed the jump to 1080I was so dramtic in bits

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|Torg|:

so the only real solution to running out of recording space is more disk

[19:14:59]

|Torg|:

that or convice my wife Survivor and Power of 10 arnt worth recording :P

[19:15:57]

sphery:

|Torg|: Or, if her memory isn't as good as Myth's, use autoexpire to keep only the last X episodes of each :)

[19:16:03]

|Torg|:

its all your damn UK tv programming convicing the US netowkrs to create shitty programs :P

[19:17:17]

jblack:

or.. get a 750 gig drive and set up a script to transcode anything more than 48 hours old.

[19:17:28]

|Torg|:

trasncoding is what I want to avoid

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juski:

survivor? sheesh time to get a new wife

[19:17:37]

sphery:

lol

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|Torg|:

if I turn a 1080I program into lower bitrate say xvid im looking at upwards of 6 hours per show

[19:18:09]

sphery:

So, as long as you don't record more than 4 per day. :)

[19:18:12]

|Torg|:

and juski *I* dont watch them, hence my fascination with the watched list

[19:18:27]

|Torg|:

and I already store it on a 2TB array

[19:18:40]

juski:

at least I managed to get my mrs into watching at 1.2 or 1.3x speed

[19:19:01]

jblack:

I don't know what level of hdtv they're broadcasting at where I live.

[19:19:05]

|Torg|:

maybe I should ask he if I can put in 3 phase power for the new disk array, that should deter her :)

[19:19:05]

juski:

that and the skip button has saved weeks' worth of time

[19:19:14]

sphery:

I've cleared off all my good TV, so I"m watching the remaining at about 1.5x or 1.75x

[19:19:26]

drindt:

juski: did you answer my question?

[19:19:31]

juski:

I managed to nail a half-watched show from before xmas last night

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sphery:

3TB with 2.4TB free... :)

[19:19:42]

|Torg|:

jblack there ATSC 1080I brodcasts, I think I already said that

[19:19:56]

juski:

and speaking of tv... off I go to watch some

[19:19:58]

jblack:

Torg: So... you live where I live?

[19:20:09]

|Torg|:

I never claimed I did

[19:20:14]

sphery:

I hate having half-watched shows on the system... It's a waste of space since you can't delete only half (without transcoding).

[19:20:39]

jblack:

Then I'm definitely confused. How do you know that I'm getting 1080i?

[19:20:47]

|Torg|:

I dont, I said *I* was

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** a1fa needs to open a change management ticket w/ his girlfriend before upgrading mythtv **

[19:21:04]

|Torg|:

but I could guess, as most brodcasters now broadcast in it

[19:21:05]

a1fa:

she will cut my balls off if she cant watch her tv

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jblack:

Ok. Then you receive 1080i.

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|Torg|:

yes jblack I know I do

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sphery:

|Torg|: except, of course, the Disney holdouts that use 720p

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** jblack goes back to wondering what resolution jblack gets broadcast hdtv in **

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a1fa:

juski : is there a command to make a backup for the sql tables built into mythtv, or table dump would be sufficient?

[19:22:25]

jblack:

a1fa: mysqldump should work fine for you.

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|Torg|:

mysqldump

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a1fa:

yeah

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a1fa:

i will just use that when its time

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a1fa:

Total Running Time: 1 year 7 months 18 days 7 hrs 47 mins

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** jblack mumbles sometime about the time for backups being before you need them **

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a1fa:

Total Recorded: 1 month 15 days 9 hrs 25 mins

[19:23:42]

a1fa:

Percent of time spent recording: 7%

[19:23:44]

a1fa:

:P

[19:23:46]

a1fa:

thats weak

[19:24:02]

a1fa:

#1 Family Guy 118 May 20 2007

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jblack:

Where did you get those stats?

[19:24:22]

sphery:

Total Recorded: 6 months 19 days 22 hrs 18 mins

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sphery:

Total Running Time: 3 years 3 months 25 days 16 hrs 36 mins

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sphery:

I'm at 16%

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jblack:

Oh, duh.

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sphery:

Statistics in MythWeb

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sphery:

(for anyone else who wondered)

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jblack:

Yeah. my machine status only tells me how much room is left

[19:25:38]

sphery:

not status, statistics

[19:25:52]

jblack:

I don't have mythweb

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sphery:

may not exist in 0.20 (or -fixes)

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jblack:

I don't see a statistics in mythfrontend

[19:26:06]

sphery:

It's only in MythWeb

[19:26:08]

jblack:

Ahhh. Ok.

[19:26:14]

a1fa:

cute

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|Torg|:

its in the status screen under info too I belive

[19:26:38]

a1fa:

my total running time is 2 years, but due to hardware failure, i had to rebuild

[19:26:44]

jblack:

I find it oddly comforting to not know exactly how much time I could spend on mind-numbing, fat inducing, behaviour.

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a1fa:

how many have you purchased new schedules?

[19:28:01]

sphery:

alfa (who's invisible to tab completion?): if you do a proper import (http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5 or http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7), you'll preserve the old history

[19:28:02]

|Torg|:

I prefer to pay for old ones

[19:28:24]

sphery:

I signed up for SD. I love it.

[19:28:41]

sphery:

It's better than Z2L was and will be getting even better than it is now.

[19:28:45]

GreyFoxx:

a1fa: I've paid

[19:28:46]

a1fa:

sphery : whats the difference?

[19:28:55]

sphery:

better data quality.

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|Torg|:

lets see, the data is more acurate for one

[19:29:03]

sphery:

will eventually offer more than Z2L did

[19:29:16]

|Torg|:

I dont have to go follow up on zap2it to see if they decided to screw up my listings yet again

[19:29:17]

sphery:

You really do get what you pay for. :)

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a1fa:

i never had problems with Z2L

[19:30:22]

a1fa:

they have always been right

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jblack:

I have 491 hours recorded.

[19:30:39]

a1fa:

newb

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CharlieSu:

sphery: what are the main differences?

[19:30:41]

a1fa:

:P

[19:30:41]

sphery:

just figured out why you're invisible to tab completion... that's a 1, not an l

[19:30:52]

a1fa:

sphery : =)

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jblack:

bleh. If I watched tv 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, it would take me more than a month to see everything once.

[19:31:47]

|Torg|:

the only thing bad about SD is the webserver from TMS is slower

[19:32:06]

|Torg|:

other then that its more acurate and nobody goes and switches channels on me

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a1fa:

cool

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a1fa:

thats kind of odd because SD gets their data from Z2L

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sphery:

CharlieSu: For now, it's the data quality. Better, more accurate, more complete data; more accurate lineups.

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sphery:

jblack: That's what timestretch and commercial skip is for...

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GreyFoxx:

a1fa: There is really only 2 choices, and Z2L being one of them

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grndslm:

Should I use xfs or jfs for my /mythArchive directory

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|Torg|:

a1fa they get the data from TMS

[19:33:40]

|Torg|:

specifically the server webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com is what I am talking about when I said it was slower

[19:33:45]

jblack:

True. I should deduct 25% for commercials, and give a 25% reduction for time crunching.

[19:33:57]

sphery:

grndslm: I like ext3 (rock solid)

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: That will hopefully go away in Stage2

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jblack:

That knocks it down to 17 days straight. Thanks!

[19:34:16]

|Torg|:

yes GreyFoxx I hope so, I was just being honest about it tho

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CharlieSu:

So general question about switching to SD. When I do it will it effect all of my previous recordings info? are there any hiccups?

[19:34:31]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I don't really watch mythfilldb run so I hadn't noticed :)

[19:34:33]

|Torg|:

not in the least

[19:34:35]

grndslm:

Soo... there's really not so many advantages to xfs & jfs, then??

[19:34:39]

sphery:

jblack: Today's TV shows have no more than 42-minutes of content per hour, though almost all have less than 40 minutes content.

[19:35:03]

grndslm:

1/3rd of what you record is commercials

[19:35:03]

jblack:

charlie: I had two hiccups. I lost 1/2 a day of scheduling, and all of my old shows are now from channel "#1042" "#1056" and the like.

[19:35:07]

sphery:

jblack: So, if you figure 42-minutes and watch at 1.5x, you can watch an hour of TV in 28 minutes. If you watch at 1.75x, you can watch it in 24 minutes. :)

[19:35:08]

|Torg|:

stop the bakend(s), go into mythtv-setup, change the listings, start the backend back up

[19:35:14]

sphery:

Just have to concentrate to do it.

[19:35:58]

jblack:

I don't like to study when I watch tv. ;D

[19:36:11]

Anduin:

eventually you will not notice

[19:36:24]

CharlieSu:

jblack: crap.. i'm worried about that.. I don't want mythtv to schedule stuff i've already watched

[19:36:44]

grndslm:

I can definitely notice at 1.25x or more timestretch

[19:36:49]

grndslm:

1.2x is just right....

[19:36:55]

jblack:

Charlie: Oh, no, it's not causing rescheduling, because the show descriptions, show ids and such are still there.

[19:37:24]

CharlieSu:

jblack: ok. cool.. Well i'll give it a try tonight probably

[19:37:35]

sphery:

grndslm: Some swear by xfs or jfs or whatever. I like ext3, and by enabling "Delete files slowly", you overcome the one disadvantage--er, slow deletes... :)

[19:37:35]

Anduin:

CharlieSu: Don't worry about it, the information that is needed is the same (mostly, not a problem)

[19:37:55]

jblack:

It's just misreporting the channel that it was recorded on.. and I have no doubt that I did it to myself somehow.

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grndslm:

sphery: where's this "Delete files slowly" option?

[19:38:22]

sphery:

In mythtv-setup

[19:38:32]

grndslm:

hmm... sweet, thanks a bunch!

[19:38:37]

jblack:

I probably deleted the direct lineup stuff and didn't need to.

[19:38:52]

jblack:

grnd: It doesn't come without minor risks, btw.

[19:39:01]

grndslm:

?? minor risks?

[19:39:18]

grndslm:

ext3 & minor risks don't belong in the same thought

[19:39:55]

jblack:

grnd: Yeah. I have noticed occasional problems with shows that were getting slowly deleted when the server crashed.

[19:40:02]

sphery:

yeah, I'm wondering about those minor risks, myself... I know slow deletes works (and I've actually reviewed th code very well)

[19:40:09]

sphery:

jblack: what issues?

[19:40:24]

jblack:

The shows were marked as deleted, but were still on the filesystem.

[19:40:26]

|Torg|:

jblack when you changed over what chanid is KQED now?

[19:40:31]

sphery:

jblack: If the process crashes, the file is deleted in whole

[19:41:18]

jblack:

Ok. Someone told me wrongly several months ago. Sorry for passing on the bad info.

[19:41:21]

sphery:

jblack: that cannot happen once the process is truly gone... The filesystem will clean up the files (we actually deleted them while the file is open, so as soon as no process has it open, it gets cleaned up).

[19:41:35]

sphery:

Yeah. When it was new, there were problems. But, we've fixed those.

[19:41:38]

jblack:

sphery: By server, I mean the machine.

[19:41:49]

sphery:

But that would actually kill the process. :)

[19:42:46]

jblack:

Ok.

[19:43:09]

jblack:

I'm old enough to know not to argue with someone that has much more experience than I. ;D

[19:43:30]

CharlieSu:

what does delete slowly do?

[19:43:52]

sphery:

When the filesystem is recovered (even from journal), any "final" cleanup should occur. If not, I'd say it's a bug in ext3 (though I've never noticed it--and I did have some bad hardware that caused a lot of crashes for a while).

[19:44:29]

jblack:

I _might_ have been using jfs at the time

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sphery:

I won't argue that it may be possible on jfs... It doesn't get the same kind of testing that ext3 does.

[19:45:16]

sphery:

Isn't jfs quick at deleting large files, though?

[19:45:24]

jblack:

Aye.

[19:45:28]

sphery:

If so, you don't need the option

[19:46:13]

jblack:

I think it went something along the lines of starting with ext3, turning on delete slowly, moving to jfs, then at some point unintentionally moving back to ext3

[19:46:28]

jblack:

I've had to move the filesystem a few times due to sata problems

[19:46:54]

sphery:

Oh. That makes sense. It's easy to forget about some setting that's no longer required when configuration changes.

[19:47:10]

sphery:

sorry about the sata problems... that's never good.

[19:47:46]

jblack:

Nah... via is the one that owe's the apology

[19:47:58]

Eclipsor:

where can I find mythrename.pl?

[19:48:10]

sphery:

I've only had to move a filesystem once on Myth (and only about 200GB of data) due to severe fragmentation problems caused by my switch from standard def to high def

[19:48:16]

sphery:

Eclipsor: in the contrib directory

[19:48:22]

Eclipsor:

which iiiiis

[19:48:26]

Eclipsor:

nevermind, located it

[19:48:50]

sphery:

It took >10hours to copy the 200GB of data to a new disk (both local disks, but on a different bus)...

[19:49:26]

GreyFoxx:

If you click on the "Edit" link next to Quick Searches on the home page

[19:49:27]

jblack:

Yeah. I felt that pain thrice.

[19:50:28]

jblack:

First the old pata drive got too cramped. So I got a SATA drive. (copy 1). That started pulling smart errors, offlining itself, etc. So new SATA drive (copy 2). Second sata drive starts pulling the same crap, so got a new pata drive. Now, plenty of space and no problems. ;D

[19:50:59]

sphery:

Wow. Once was enough for me. I ended up copying the HDTV recordings back, then filling up most of the disk (leaving only enough for the SDTV) with a file of zeros, then moving the SDTV, then deleting the zero file. No problems since (but now all my TV is digital and > 95% HDTV).

[19:51:24]

sphery:

glad you got it fixed

[19:51:31]

sphery:

makes Myth much more fun

[19:51:57]

jblack:

me too. On the downside, I have a couple 300 gig drives sitting in a drawer for the day that I get a new motherboard.

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jblack:

Have you tried those 750 gig drives yet?

[19:53:50]

sphery:

Yeah. I had some in the 200–300GB range that have been replaced with 750GB disks. The <200GB ones are annoying because they're way bigger than I need for anything else (i.e. my 8 non-Myth computers) and they're really too small for my 3 Myth computers.

[19:54:01]

sphery:

I have 3x750GB drives.

[19:54:04]

jblack:

Between gigi/gibi, lvm and ext3, you're already down to 688 gigs

[19:54:05]

sphery:

Great, but they run hot.

[19:54:34]

sphery:

fortunately, Google (the company, not an Internet search) says they've found that heat has no effect on HD lifespan.

[19:54:51]

jblack:

huh? I thought they did?

[19:54:54]

sphery:

I'm not using LVM, though.

[19:55:17]

|Torg|:

ok sphery theren why does an Hitachi array sound like a damn hovercraft

[19:55:26]

jblack:

You should consider it netxt time. It makes moving filesystems a little easier.

[19:55:57]

sphery:

looking for the article

[19:56:05]

jblack:

I remember it, yeah.

[19:56:42]

jblack:

engadget has a line to it

[19:57:03]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/253762#253762

[19:57:15]

sphery:

with link to http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf

[19:57:20]

jblack:

Here's a good summary: http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/18/massive-go . . . sting-thing/

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jblack:

Yeah, that's how I remember it.. "warm drives good, hot drives bad"

[19:59:24]

sphery:

|Torg|: My disks are also very loud, but I fixed that with a drill. :) (All my Myth boxes and receivers and other electronics are in a room on the other side of the wall from my TV and speakers)

[19:59:44]

jblack:

Nice. :)

[19:59:47]

Eclipsor:

what's the best solution to share recordings to a computer without a frontend?

[19:59:52]

fryfrog:

samba

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|Torg|:

my disks arnt loud, I was referring to disk arrays, an Hitachi USP in particualr

[20:00:00]

fryfrog:

assuming the recordings are in mpeg2 format

[20:00:00]

jblack:

I solved the problem of a noisy machine once by spraying the inside with foam.

[20:00:15]

|Torg|:

I knoew SMART really didnt work that well

[20:00:24]

Eclipsor:

fryfrog: I transcode to mpeg4

[20:00:25]

sphery:

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't say, "no effect," but "that temperature and activity levels were much less correlated with drive failures than previously reported."

[20:00:36]

fryfrog:

that'd be fine too :)

[20:00:36]

jblack:

well....

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Eclipsor:

ok

[20:00:43]

fryfrog:

i think the only one that sucks would be .nuv

[20:00:47]

Eclipsor:

well

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Eclipsor:

they all have the .nuv extension

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Eclipsor:

:\

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|Torg|:

I also know disks are effected badly by moving air

[20:01:12]

fryfrog:

so they are mpeg4 in .nuv container? :/

[20:01:15]

jblack:

My drive gets up to 55c+ after recording and transcoding for a few hours straight.

[20:01:18]

|Torg|:

and I would think that heat as it effects silicon would adversly effect the chips on a drive

[20:01:19]

fryfrog:

humm, i'm not sure how you'd do it :/

[20:01:26]

grndslm:

|Torg|: like by system/cpu fans??

[20:01:42]

sphery:

fryfrog: any Linux system (with up-to-date ffmpeg/MPlayer) should be able to play back Myth's NUV recordings.

[20:02:08]

sphery:

Eclipsor: For Windows, I think you need to get the dsmyth stuff

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sphery:

(sorry about the wrong name there, fryfrog --that was for Eclipsor )

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|Torg|:

no grndslm im taling more about my experiance in SANs, and diagnositcs that lead to massive failures

[20:02:44]

grndslm:

ahh...

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grndslm:

sphery, why don't you use lvm?

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fryfrog:

sphery: ah, gotcha

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Eclipsor:

sphery: would VLC work?

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Eclipsor:

I dont really want them to have the full scheduling/deleting set of the frontend

[20:04:06]

Eclipsor:

just be able to grab some shows

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sphery:

grndslm: I'll never again use a single filesystem spread across multiple physical volumes (multiple partitions or multiple disks) because of the effect of losing one of those volumes (i.e. lose everything on all volumes). So, LVM doesn't add anything to my config.

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grndslm:

sphery: what about 2 sets of lvm spreads, one rsyncing to the other??

[20:05:19]

sphery:

grndslm: With SVN trunk, you can specify multiple directories to use for recordings, so--by doing that rather than using a single filesystem--I get the benefit of almost no fragmentation (compared to massive fragmentation) when multiple recordings occur simultaneously

[20:05:26]

grndslm:

awesome... i like the sound of that

[20:05:37]

grndslm:

A+

[20:05:46]

grndslm:

well, i'm off to play some super contra!!

[20:05:55]

sphery:

If using -fixes, you'd have to do some extra work (i.e. using myth_archive_job.pl to move recordings from your biggest drive--the recordings drive--to "archive" drives)

[20:06:09]

sphery:

but it can be done as a job, so it's not really hard

[20:06:59]

TheAsp:

stupid question... if i get new channels in my sd data, will they be added to the db as well?

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sphery:

Eclipsor: VLC should be able to play Myth's NUV recordings. On Windows, you may still need dsmyth

[20:07:18]

sphery:

TheAsp: yes or no

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|Torg|:

sphery thanks again :)

[20:07:35]

TheAsp:

sphery: see, thats the confusing part. :)

[20:07:57]

sphery:

TheAsp: Yes if it's a channel in a lineup that's used in a video source that's connected to an analog lineup

[20:08:11]

sphery:

TheAsp: No if it's a channel in a lineup that's used in a video source that's connected to a digital lineup

[20:08:20]

TheAsp:

ok, i fall in the latter...

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sphery:

s/lineup/input

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TheAsp:

but previously in the former... :)

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TheAsp:

sphery: do i need to add them in mythtvsetup?

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sphery:

TheAsp: For a digital input, you need to do a channel scan. Then, once you've got the new channel in the DB, use the channel editor to specify the xmltvid, then mfdb will use the new channel.

[20:09:41]

TheAsp:

wait, channel scan? even for a dc6200?

[20:09:42]

sphery:

TheAsp: If you have a firewire connection, though, there's an issue that will prevent things from working.

[20:09:54]

sphery:

TheAsp: -fixes or SVN trunk

[20:10:04]

TheAsp:

would i have done that when setting it up?

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sphery:

(firewire is special--it's digital, but there's no channel scanner for it)

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TheAsp:

i remember a week of pain getting fw to work at all, nothing about how I set it up :)

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sphery:

TheAsp: -fixes or SVN trunk?

[20:11:40]

sphery:

(or 0.20.2)

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TheAsp:

0.20.2

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sphery:

See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/285905#285905 . It has a workaround you can use.

[20:12:20]

TheAsp:

awesome, thanks

[20:12:23]

sphery:

The fix will likely be in 0.20-fixes within a week.

[20:13:34]

TheAsp:

that sucks, ubuntu is going with 0.20.2

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directhex:

file a bug request against the packages on launchpad, citing a specific changeset number

[20:19:19]

directhex:

assuming it applies cleanly to the sources used by ubuntu, they might include it

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TheAsp:

awesome. disconnecting the digital source worked great

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TheAsp:

sphery: thanks man

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ack_f0o:

hullo

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sphery:

TheAsp: Glad it worked.

[20:27:52]

yhan:

I have some troubles to setup my remote, it's a hauppauge grey connected on a pvr-250, who could help me ?

[20:28:13]

yhan:

I followed that howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

[20:28:21]

yhan:

do I need to setup something in myth ?

[20:28:49]

floppyears:

yhan: I'm sure someone here has that remote, I have the ms mce remote

[20:29:02]

floppyears:

yhan: check your mythfrontend log

[20:29:11]

floppyears:

it should tell you whether lirc was started or not

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ack_f0o:

yhan – I have the pvr150 which is about the same — can you do the power test?

[20:29:33]

floppyears:

also if you do: mythfrontend --version or something like that it should tell you whether mythtv has lirc support

[20:29:51]

floppyears:

you can also use irw to check whether your lirc is working

[20:29:56]

ack_f0o:

anyone ever seen a frontend work, but playback blanks the screen and there is no way to get back to the frontend? internet streams, music etc works fine.

[20:30:10]

ack_f0o:

geforce 6200 1080i output

[20:30:51]

yhan:

yes I does have irc

[20:31:11]

yhan:

where is the mythfrontend log ?

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sphery:

depends on what filename you specified after -l in your mythfrontend command line

[20:32:20]

sphery:

mythfrontend -l /path/to/log_file

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floppyears:

yhan: I use the following to start mythtv http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Fr . . . rintable=yes

[20:32:39]

floppyears:

I use the .gnomrc method and thus I have a log

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yhan:

umm irw makes lircd crash

[20:35:06]

floppyears:

you should track that problem. Before you can get your remote to work with mythtv, it should work perfectly fine with irw

[20:35:13]

floppyears:

check your logs /var/log/

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floppyears:

I can't remember which one, but one of them will contain log stuff about lirc

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DustyBin:

/var/log/syslog

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DustyBin:

yhan, get a terminal up and keep it open, as root

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DustyBin:

type

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DustyBin:

tail /var/log/syslog -f

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DustyBin:

now mess around with your remote / lirc

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DustyBin:

and look for changes

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yhan:

the device /dev/lircd0 is not created

[20:39:23]

yhan:

so driver problem

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yhan:

the howto I followed says it's for the hauppauge 150 and 350

[20:40:26]

yhan:

but I have a 250, is this correct to use the driver for the 150 ?

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DustyBin:

i would of thought so

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Anduin:

yhan: You want the lirc_i2c driver

[20:48:41]

yhan:

Anduin, thanks !! that works !!

[20:48:53]

yhan:

now the missing piece

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yhan:

mplayer :)

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yhan:

ok fount it

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yhan:

just a symlink to the config file

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ack_f0o:

man.. I am getting frustrated

[21:01:05]

Yahooadam:

whats your problem ;)

[21:01:39]

ack_f0o:

my frontend/backend is being naughty =]

[21:01:56]

ack_f0o:

i just installed HD capable vid card, and now playback disappears

[21:02:04]

Yahooadam:

:o

[21:02:14]

Yahooadam:

anything in the logs to help, and how does it dissapear ?

[21:02:25]

ack_f0o:

all the frontend apps work fine, internet streams, music playback and viz, but no nothing and no escape sequence to get out

[21:02:36]

ack_f0o:

I can ssh to the box when it is in this state, but I cant get X back

[21:02:45]

ack_f0o:

yuh

[21:02:52]

ack_f0o:

filth flarn

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Yahooadam:

maybe the backend is crashing ?

[21:03:22]

ack_f0o:

and to compound the issue I added a digital sound card to the mix as well.. I cant get sound or video out

[21:03:23]

ack_f0o:

=]

[21:03:28]

ack_f0o:

hmm

[21:03:30]

ack_f0o:

i dont think so

[21:03:38]

Yahooadam:

if you cant get X on it, sounds odd ...

[21:03:50]

ack_f0o:

yeah

[21:03:55]

ack_f0o:

you said it

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gbee:

ack_f0o: tried re-installing the drivers?

[21:04:13]

ack_f0o:

geforce 6200 — 1920x1280 and its purdy =]

[21:04:26]

ack_f0o:

gbee — i am off to hack away at that now

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gbee:

sounds driver related anyway and reinstalling the nvidia drivers never hurts

[21:05:40]

gbee:

ermm, I mean the video problem sounds like it is driver related, not the the sound problem is driver related

[21:05:56]

gbee:

even though it probably is as well

[21:06:35]

ack_f0o:

heh

[21:06:46]

ack_f0o:

they are both most certainly operator related as well =]

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djc_:

is it possible to configure a master backend on a box with no X?

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djc_:

eg, is there a mythtv-setup that is text-mode?

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Yahooadam:

yes

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fryfrog:

it is possible, but it isn't text

[21:09:25]

ack_f0o:

here goes new driver.

[21:09:32]

ack_f0o:

<-- holds breath and crosses fingers

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fryfrog:

i'd suggest VNC or exporting X over SSH

[21:09:49]

djc_:

yeah, i know how to do that.. was just hoping not to have to

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Yahooadam:

really ? you have to use X ?

[21:10:09]

Yahooadam:

im sure i read in the manual that it could be done via text

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gbee:

Yahooadam: nope

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Yahooadam:

just as well i just bought a gfx card then :p

[21:10:58]

Yahooadam:

my backend wasnt even capable of running X ;)

[21:10:59]

fryfrog:

wait, is there a text based mythtv-setup now?

[21:11:01]

gbee:

you could configure it and then uninstall X, if having X installed (even if not running) offends you on religious grounds or something

[21:11:14]

fryfrog:

oh, nm gbee was saying it isn't possible

[21:11:32]

fryfrog:

some people don't *like* having X on there...

[21:11:33]

Yahooadam:

i swear i read it ... *goes and reads moar*

[21:11:41]

fryfrog:

but some people simply might not have a video card in their BE

[21:11:42]

hendrixski:

wait... you _need_ X? won't mythtv also run on other alternates than xwindows? like xvesa or something?

[21:11:47]

djc_:

well, im thinking of a headless machine, whos only purpose would be to be a capture source

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fryfrog:

either way, VNC or exporting over SSH should work

[21:11:58]

Yahooadam:

well my file server was headless, ie – it didnt have a gfx card in it atall

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djc_:

that had no vidcard

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gbee:

fryfrog: X11 forwarding still works in that case

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fryfrog:

gbee: exactly

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|Torg|:

is anyone here a netowrk admin or familair with vpn ipsec that can give me some recommendations?

[21:12:34]

gbee:

and X11 forwarding over ssh is laughably simple

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|Torg|:

ssh -l user -Y host

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hendrixski:

x11 has been relying on SSH for security since the begining pretty much (it has no encryption of its own)...

[21:13:26]

Yahooadam:

djc_ – it seems you wont be able to do it

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djc_:

is there a howto on complex setups with multiple backends as tuners and frontends for user interaction? is there a reason to have or not have a backend running on a machine that is primarily a watching-box? I assume one backend needs to be the 'master'

[21:13:53]

hendrixski:

so... is x11 required? because then you can't make a mythtv box on an embedded platform or something

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gbee:

no-one has been sufficiently interested in an X free mythtv-setup to write a text-based alternative

[21:15:16]

Yahooadam:

can you not run the backend on a headless PC, and the frontend on a headed PC, and then configure through the frontend ?

[21:15:20]

|Torg|:

there is a text based alternative already

[21:16:38]

Yahooadam:

hmm

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hendrixski:

gbee, but what about other X alternatives that aren't just text-based

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Yahooadam:

the manual for mythtv isnt very clear, if you have sperate boxes, the backend serves the MySQL database right ?

[21:17:12]

|Torg|:

no the dabase servrs serves the mysql

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|Torg|:

it *can* be the backend, it can be any OTHER box as well

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djc_:

you only use use sql server, right?

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|Torg|:

only mysql

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djc_:

er

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djc_:

only 'one' sql server, right

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djc_:

is what I meant

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djc_:

to type

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|Torg|:

mysql is one to one

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Yahooadam:

i believe so djc

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|Torg|:

so yes only one, unless you want to setup one way replication

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djc_:

i mewhat I mean is each backend doesnt have its own

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djc_:

they all use the same one

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|Torg|:

yes

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djc_:

does the frontend talk to the db through a backend, or directly?

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Yahooadam:

no, you have a master backend, and 1 sql server for all mythtv

[21:18:55]

Yahooadam:

directly

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hendrixski:

does the backend to frontend communication require X11?

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Yahooadam:

no

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BULLE:

hendrixski: no

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Yahooadam:

however you need X11 to configure the backend (apparently)

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|Torg|:

1 backend, 1 frontend, 1 mysql database. Increase frontend and backend as much as you like

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djc_:

and if you have a machine that runs frontend, is it more appropriate for it to alsa run the backend, and then that backend talks to the master backend, or .....?

[21:19:52]

Yahooadam:

no

[21:20:00]

Yahooadam:

backends are only needed for recording (i think)

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hendrixski:

BULLE, cool... because I was thinking about making a stripped down mythtv box with a more lighweight alternative... do you know of any such things

[21:20:09]

|Torg|:

there is nothing approporate or misapropriate abou tit

[21:20:11]

Yahooadam:

frontends are needed for playing

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djc_:

frontend can access a local capture source directly? or a backend is needed?

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BULLE:

hendrixski: uhm, "more lightweight alternative" just pick whatever linux distribution you like

[21:20:53]

|Torg|:

the backend has cards and records tv, trancoded tv, and usualy gets first paick at comflagging

[21:20:56]

Yahooadam:

hendrixski – many people run lightweight frontends (like epia boxes) and bigger backends (with the tuners and stuff)

[21:21:00]

BULLE:

djc_: the backend handles the cards

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djc_:

ah ok

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|Torg|:

if you run a HD config you need a week backend and strong frontend, the reverse is true about SD content

[21:21:46]

djc_:

and I assume the master backend controls which backends are used for recording or for live watching, etc?

[21:21:49]

hendrixski:

Yahooadam, so like DSL which uses xvesa for example?

[21:21:57]

hendrixski:

what's epia?

[21:22:02]

kidbluz:

Anyone know how to have the volume in Video the same as Recordings?

[21:22:25]

BULLE:

kidbluz: configure them to be the same ?

[21:22:33]

Yahooadam:

djc_ the master backend controls all the other backends

[21:22:37]

|Torg|:

sorta djc_ the master backend schedules the recordings according to what you set up based upon priority of inputs and availabilty of them

[21:23:07]

hendrixski:

BULLE, so DSL with Xvesa would work just as well?

[21:23:17]

BULLE:

hendrixski: epia is a marketing name for a product line from via, its a bunch of low power low performance mini motherboards with cpu and integrated video and sound and stuff

[21:23:18]

|Torg|:

kidbluz yes do nothing and the volume is the same, I think you mean level of the audio portion and the answer is there is no way to do that

[21:23:19]

kidbluz:

BULLE: That would certainly make sense if it could be. are there separate volume controls? Maybe I missed it.

[21:23:23]

Yahooadam:

hendrixski – dunno bout DSL :p im sure u can find some small frontends

[21:23:23]

Yahooadam:

epia's are small mobos (mini/pico atx boards) so u can get a PC in a STB format

[21:23:37]

hendrixski:

sweet

[21:23:46]

BULLE:

kidbluz: last time i looked mythvideo was just a frontend for whatever videoplayer you configured it to use, in default it was mplayer

[21:23:52]

|Torg|:

hendrixski not really, they dont work very well

[21:23:57]

hendrixski:

oh

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nordle:

Scaling, it has me a little confused. I saw some people here yesterday saying that LCD TV's were a bit pants at scaling, so if at all possible, send a source that is already scaled. I stick a dvd in, currently using mplayer to -fs -zoom crop=720:440:0:66,dsize=720:400. This fills my 1360x768 TV avoiding the black bands. But it must mean the TV is scaling it. Should I instead crop=720:440:0:66,dsize=1360x768. Or is this just madness and I should in

[21:24:12]

gbee:

BULLE: default is the internal player from 0.20 (well for most formats)

[21:24:25]

gbee:

in 0.21 it will probably be the default for every format

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Yahooadam:

|Torg| – as frontends – or PC's ?

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BULLE:

hendrixski: dunno abuot Xvesa, i have never used that x server but it sounds to me like its some generic vesa stuff, and then you are most likely missing out on all the video acceleration functions of a modern graphicscard, and then video playback will suffer a lot

[21:24:46]

|Torg|:

Yahooadam as in frontends, they work well for thigs like dns servers or firewalls

[21:24:59]

BULLE:

gbee: hmmm, i run 0.20 and i havent edited anything, and it seems to use mplayer for everything

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** Yahooadam :wubs: his IPCop firewall :D **

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gbee:

BULLE: if you upgraded from an earlier version then it won't have changed your previous settings

[21:25:49]

BULLE:

gbee: ah, i did

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BULLE:

gbee: so that explains it then

[21:26:15]

gbee:

but a fresh install of 0.20 will use the internal player for a few things

[21:26:25]

gbee:

same goes for mythdvd

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kidbluz:

NY here.

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kidbluz:

woops, wrong window

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ack_f0o:

hmmm

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hendrixski:

BULLE, I think it's like X11 just without all of the bloat (like remote login, or dual monitor etc. etc.) dunno about video accelaration i'll reserach that

[21:27:27]

ack_f0o:

gbee: fwiw, this is where I think I am now.. http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubleshoot . . . ideo_buffers

[21:28:17]

BULLE:

hendrixski: the name vesa implies its just a vesa framebuffer thingy, eg a dumb framebuffer

[21:28:27]

ack_f0o:

<-- holds breath and crosses fingers

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hendrixski:

ah, Ok

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|Torg|:

Xvesa is a very lightwait X server, max res os 320x200 16 colors I belive

[21:29:09]

|Torg|:

it would not make a very good candidate for watching TV

[21:29:16]

BULLE:

|Torg|: he, so its not exactly the thing you want to use to watch tv

[21:29:23]

|Torg|:

not even close

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|Torg|:

its also highly insecure

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hendrixski:

|Torg|, ah, Ok. do you know of other lightweight ones that have better res?

[21:30:04]

hendrixski:

oh, yeah, I don't want people hacking into my tv... security would be a must.

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|Torg|:

xorg :)

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hendrixski:

|Torg|, I thought that essentially was X11, just by a different name?

[21:31:01]

|Torg|:

its X11 without any drivers, directly to VESA on your video card

[21:31:02]

BULLE:

hendrixski: if it just was x11, but with a different name, what would be the point of it ?

[21:31:19]

BULLE:

mv can rename your x11 to whatever you want

[21:31:42]

hendrixski:

BULLE, I thought it was a political thing... like which organization is in charge of implementing it to spec

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Yahooadam:

i thought Xorg was X11 ?

[21:32:00]

hendrixski:

Yahooadam, me too

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Yahooadam:

cos in ubuntu its /etc/X11/xorg.conf ....

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BULLE:

xfree is an x11 implementation, xorg is a x11 implementation, there are LOTS of x11 implementations

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hendrixski:

:-) us Ubuntu users... we're taking over

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Yahooadam:

ahhh ok

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|Torg|:

X11 is the X Window Sytem, an open standard maintained by Xorg

[21:32:59]

Yahooadam:

ok thanks for explaining that :D

[21:33:17]

hendrixski:

it's all so confusing

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Yahooadam:

yes sadly linux still isnt n00b friendly

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|Torg|:

neither is a computer

[21:34:02]

Yahooadam:

not even novice or intermediate friendly ;)

[21:34:15]

Yahooadam:

atleast windows is sort of plugnplay :p

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|Torg|:

it most certainly is

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hendrixski:

so... that's all there is for making gui's on *NIX basically? can it be recompiled to not have certain modules? like the dual monitor or remote login etc.?

[21:34:39]

Yahooadam:

well plugnpray

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|Torg|:

thats hardware, it has litte to do with the OS

[21:35:03]

|Torg|:

your talking about drivers

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hendrixski:

lol @plug-n-pray

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|Torg|:

you know the thing that crashes a windows box in a heartbeat, those things

[21:35:24]

Yahooadam:

na i dont mean that, to get windows working, pop in the disc, yes yes yes, done

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|Torg|:

you want to pop in a disk and get linux to run, go download knoppmix

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|Torg|:

err knoppix

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Yahooadam:

ugh noppix :p

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Yahooadam:

knoppix #

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|Torg|:

you want to run mythtv and pop in a disck go get knoppmyth

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Yahooadam:

wow

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Yahooadam:

does that run off livecd ?

[21:36:18]

** hendrixski has never known windows to work like that... it's always put in a disk yes no, no, oh god why? why? **

[21:36:37]

Yahooadam:

tbh, lets face it, its mostly the drivers that bugger linux atm

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|Torg|:

you want to run Windows like that, put in a CD, answer about 50 quesiotns, stop to get the get, find out its bad, call lmcirsoft, wait for 30 mins, then install it, wait 30 more mins, then go get drivers

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|Torg|:

what to install linux, download a cd, burn it, pop it in, answer some questions (I know partitioning your disk is hard), and let it install in 30 mins

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|Torg|:

then log in and use it

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hendrixski:

|Torg|, that's always been my experience. I was ALWAYS on the phone trying to install windows

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Yahooadam:

really ?

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djc_:

my vmware seems to be hosed.. sigh

[21:37:47]

Yahooadam:

ive never had to phone MS once

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|Torg|:

want to edit a document, make a presentaion, use a spreadsheet, then go get OFfice and do the same as installing Windows

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hendrixski:

Yahooadam, oh yeah... I'm on a toshiba tablet PC now... I bought it from a friend who spent 6 months trying to install windows on it. I popped in Ubuntu and it worked out of the box

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|Torg|:

oh and dont forget to download teh service packs too

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hendrixski:

he almost sh*t himself... then sold it to me

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Yahooadam:

tablet pc – damn you :p

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|Torg|:

do you honestly think Windows is easier?

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hendrixski:

|Torg|, yup... but you need Windows Genuine Disadvantage for those

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Yahooadam:

its probably easier cos its mainstream

[21:39:06]

Yahooadam:

atleast in windows some things make more sense

[21:39:11]

Eclipsor:

does mytharchive delete the file after burning to dvd?

[21:39:15]

Yahooadam:

like software goes in c:\program files\

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hendrixski:

Yahooadam, some do... some don't

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djc_:

ms uses windows to make it _look_ like stupid people can use a pc

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Eclipsor:

or is there at least an option to keep it from doing so

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|Torg|:

makes sence? like putting the shutdown under the start menu?

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Yahooadam:

:D

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hendrixski:

or only having one window manager

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|Torg|:

yes one blazingly fast window manager

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hendrixski:

oh... which makes me think.... does mythtv technically need a WM? it doesn't require windowing right? so can it run on just bare X11?

[21:40:35]

|Torg|:

no it dosnt need one, its nice to have tho

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ack_f0o:

ok

[21:40:44]

ack_f0o:

no go

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hendrixski:

sweet

[21:40:48]

ack_f0o:

still hangs

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ack_f0o:

frik frak

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|Torg|:

blackbox works fine and its lightweight

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hendrixski:

|Torg|, is there anything I'd have to do differently to install it without one?

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Yahooadam:

ack_f0o – what exactly happens ?

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|Torg|:

what hendrixski, seeing up X is a serperate thing from seting up mythtv

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: it turns black, and then nothing --- as soon as I select a recording or video to watch

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|Torg|:

as far as myth is concerned, no there is nothing differnt

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Yahooadam:

have you checked the logs ?

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Yahooadam:

sounds like it cant find the video file to me ...

[21:42:27]

Yahooadam:

but it would probably say if thats the case

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hendrixski:

ah, nice nice... so I can launch mythtv from commandline without ever entering a WM... would it launch X11 automatically or i'd have to start that manually?

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Yahooadam:

you can probably make mythtv run when you log in

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: the thing I see in the log that is odd is NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.

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Yahooadam:

checked this ? http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubleshoot . . . ideo_buffers

[21:45:03]

ack_f0o:

yeah, and i disabled glx, and it still doesnt work

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Yahooadam:

checked the bios settings ?

[21:45:20]

Yahooadam:

and what chipset are u using ?

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ack_f0o:

this is odd — same system with a lower model nvidia card plugged into a tv and it works fine

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ack_f0o:

now I go hd and ka blooey

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Yahooadam:

what exactly did u change on the computer ?

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ack_f0o:

bios has no HPET

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ack_f0o:

its not an nforce board

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Yahooadam:

just the video card ?

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ack_f0o:

the agp video card and I added a sound card and disabled on-board sound

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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ack_f0o:

thats all

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ack_f0o:

:(

[21:46:44]

Yahooadam:

is your sound working ?

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Yahooadam:

outside mythtv

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ack_f0o:

the frontend looks SWEET in 1080i on my lcd

[21:47:02]

ack_f0o:

but no playback makes it useless

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ack_f0o:

no sound yet

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Yahooadam:

try getting that to work

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ack_f0o:

dabbling with .asoundrc now

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BULLE:

ack_f0o: so, you disabled on-board sound and added an externa soundcard, have you edited the modules configuration so the correct soundcard modules get loaded ?

[21:49:28]

AndyCap:

anyone here using gizmod with mythtv?

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ack_f0o:

bulle: speaker_test works through analog out, but not spdif

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: see above ^^

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Yahooadam:

?

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: sound works in analog, but my asoundrc must not be fixed enough for digi

[21:53:45]

Yahooadam:

ok

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Yahooadam:

tried 3dgears or somthing ?

[21:54:20]

Yahooadam:

make sure the sound card is all working ok

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Yahooadam:

video card #

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hendrixski:

hhmmm... so Xvesa isn't a good Xwindows replacement... what about TinyX or KDrive?

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hendrixski:

they're used in embedded systems to make very thin x servers... would either of those work well for a lightweight mythtv frontend?

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BULLE:

ack_f0o: so, have you enabled the spdif ?

[21:57:05]

BULLE:

ack_f0o: alsa disables all outputs per default

[21:57:18]

BULLE:

hendrixski: no

[21:57:26]

BULLE:

hendrixski: as i have said, you realy need Xvideo support

[21:57:53]

BULLE:

hendrixski: and, you do need a decent cpu, and ram is VERY inexpensive nowadays, so it doesnt make any sense to try to save a few megabytes of ram

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hendrixski:

aha ok, and tinyX and kdrive don't have Xvideo support?

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hendrixski:

oh... I thought that the difference would be noticeable. if it's not then perhaps you're right and it's a trivial amount of ram isn't a big deal

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ack_f0o:

bulle: messing with my alsamixer now

[21:59:09]

ack_f0o:

bit confused what is what

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ack_f0o:

lots of iec958s

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Yahooadam:

xorg probably uses like 10–20mb or somthing like that

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BULLE:

ack_f0o: play some sound, enable them one after the other, until you hear sound ?

[21:59:48]

ack_f0o:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

or just put a track on repeat :p

[22:01:05]

ack_f0o:

ok

[22:01:09]

ack_f0o:

workees

[22:01:14]

ack_f0o:

yoo hoo!!!

[22:01:24]

Yahooadam:

:)

[22:01:26]

Yahooadam:

gz :)

[22:01:31]

Yahooadam:

now back to the real problem :p

[22:01:37]

ack_f0o:

no i have a really nice mp3 player =]

[22:01:47]

ack_f0o:

no=now

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hendrixski:

Yahooadam, ah, so I'd only be saving like 5 megs or so? I guess that really isn't a big deal when you think about having 2 gigs of ram

[22:02:59]

hendrixski:

cool well thanks... I'm gonna grab some dinner

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hendrixski:

:-) then I'll try takng out all my Windows managers tomorrow :-)

[22:03:15]

hendrixski:

later

[22:03:35]

Yahooadam:

hendrix – 2gb ram = loads of space lol

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Yahooadam:

this isnt windowz ;)

[22:03:58]

ack_f0o:

yahooadam: uyea, now rthe real problem =[

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NightMonkey:

Howdy. Welcome message points to wrong ivtv url, should be www.ivtvdriver.org. Thanks.

[22:06:18]

Yahooadam:

ack_f0o – im guessing theres somthing wrong with your gfx installation

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ack_f0o:

you mean my drivers?

[22:07:39]

Yahooadam:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

what OS ?

[22:07:50]

ack_f0o:

slax

[22:08:03]

ack_f0o:

knoppmyth installation

[22:08:08]

ack_f0o:

<--- lazy

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Yahooadam:

he he :p

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ack_f0o:

=]

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Yahooadam:

i dunno, does knoppix come with somthing like 3dgears ?

[22:09:39]

ack_f0o:

hmm let me see

[22:09:51]

ack_f0o:

nope

[22:09:52]

Esine:

Yahooadam, you mean glxgears

[22:10:02]

Esine:

not 3dgears

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ack_f0o:

root@stacker:~# which glx

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ack_f0o:

glxdemo glxgears glxheads glxinfo

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Ava-:

guys is a amd 4000+ a good enough chip to record a 720p channel, watch an analog on local frontend, and stream sd to another remote frontend?

[22:10:31]

Esine:

ack_f0o, glxgears it is

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Yahooadam:

woops :p

[22:10:42]

ack_f0o:

giving it a go..

[22:10:44]

Yahooadam:

i thought it was 3dgears

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Yahooadam:

what kind of 720p channel ?

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|Torg|:

Ava- 720p isnt analog

[22:11:14]

Ava-:

I know...

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Ava-:

2 machines, 3 tuners

[22:11:30]

Ava-:

d analog 1 dvb

[22:11:34]

Ava-:

2 analog

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Yahooadam:

apparently like DVB-T doesnt require much oomph due to it already being digital, so u just save it ...

[22:11:49]

|Torg|:

recoding 720P takes nearly nothing watching it will take some CPU tho, and yes it should be ok

[22:11:51]

Ava-:

recording OTA ATSC or QAM on the digital

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|Torg|:

get an Nvidia card and use xvmc as well

[22:12:09]

Yahooadam:

i would think youd be fine too

[22:12:16]

Yahooadam:

a 4000+ isnt exactly a slouch

[22:12:28]

Ava-:

torg thanks

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Esine:

especially if it's dual core

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Ava-:

I was asking for a friend

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|Torg|:

actually the box is overpowered

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Ava-:

it's not dual core

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Esine:

oh

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ack_f0o:

man this is a great mp3 player tho =]

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Yahooadam:

:D

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Ava-:

htanks guys

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ack_f0o:

<-- had to quit dancing around the room to run glxgears =]

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ack_f0o:

wait a sec

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Ava-:

has anyone made an apple tv skin for mythtv?

[22:13:58]

ack_f0o:

I turned glx off in my xconfig

[22:14:32]

Yahooadam:

"There are two ways to resolve the problem. You can either disable glx in xorg.conf and turn off the glx effects in mythfrontend or you can use the nv driver which reportedly plays nicer with glx."

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Yahooadam:

id go for the nv driver :p

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ack_f0o:

whats the difference, and how do I select it as my choice? =]

[22:15:20]

Yahooadam:

what nvidia card do u have ?

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ack_f0o:

6200

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gregg:

can someone help me work out how/why my mythtv box with a 6200TC card has dark playback?

[22:15:50]

ack_f0o:

heh

[22:15:54]

Yahooadam:

turn up the brightness ?

[22:15:55]

ack_f0o:

welcome to the club gregg

[22:16:02]

Yahooadam:

what 6200 card ?

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ack_f0o:

geforce

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Yahooadam:

lol

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ack_f0o:

by pny

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directhex:

how exactly is nv meant to "play nicer with glx", given nv has absolutely no accelerated gl capability?

[22:16:16]

Yahooadam:

6200GT ? 6200GS ?

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gregg:

ok, is that a known issue? i've googled without finding anything definitive and official

[22:16:22]

Ava-:

is an ati 9700pro enough for mythtv an analog playback?

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam it dosnt matter

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AndyCap:

gregg: looked at nvidia-settings settings?

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Yahooadam:

i would have thought so ava-

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Ava-:

ok thanks

[22:16:55]

Yahooadam:

it doesnt take much oomph to playback

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directhex:

unless it's HD

[22:17:06]

Yahooadam:

ive used a geforce 2 to play DVD's without a problem

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gregg:

AndyCap: i did once. sort of a solution. settings were lost on reboot and I never pursued it as a final solution

[22:17:21]

|Torg|:

Yahooadam he wanted to play back 720P, that will take quite a bit to do

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|Torg|:

also it better be displayed on a digital output

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directhex:

which codec?

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AndyCap:

gregg: well, if i'm not mistaken then it can be encoded as options in xorg.conf as well if you look at the nvidia readme

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directhex:

mpeg2 720p you can get away with on a decent cpu

[22:18:07]

ack_f0o:

yahooadam: umm verto — nothing after 6200

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gregg:

hitting "G" and adjusting the brightness seems to jack the brightness on the PVR-150 input too; when i playback on a different frontend box, the video is too bright

[22:18:13]

Yahooadam:

gregg – http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=58744

[22:18:59]

Ava-:

thank you guys

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Yahooadam:

|torg| he only asked about analog playback

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Ava-:

I'm outtie

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam he specifly asked for recording 720P, id think that if he recorded it, he would want to play it back

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|Torg|:

if not you can record 720P with no cpu simy cat it to /dev/null

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Yahooadam:

ack_f0o – i suggest http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

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Yahooadam:

|torg| he may be playing his HD on another computer

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ack_f0o:

heh

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directhex:

what the hell is "analog playback" anyways? mythtv can store data on vinyl now?

[22:20:53]

Yahooadam:

:D

[22:21:02]

Yahooadam:

probably means analogue tv recordings

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gregg:

ok, nvidia-settings is a possibility if i decide to continue making do with my 6200TC. is there another nvidia pci-e card I could replace it with that doesn't have this problem?

[22:21:34]

gregg:

i.e., drop it in and it more or less just works

[22:21:53]

directhex:

a 7300le?

[22:22:25]

gregg:

HD playback isn't necessary. i just need no-hassle, high-quality TV-out playback.

[22:22:34]

directhex:

a 7300le?

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Yahooadam:

tv-out using ?

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Yahooadam:

like svideo ?

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|Torg|:

tv-out an high quality do not go togehter

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gregg:

lol, true. yes, svideo output from an nvidia card.

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BULLE:

|Torg|: the component output on my nvidia card is pretty decent actualy, even for hd material

[22:23:39]

gregg:

i used to have a PVR-350 and I was kind of spoiled by its good quality svideo output

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AndyCap:

BULLE: how do you get component out?

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|Torg|:

componet is not tv-out

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: those are purdy gears =]

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gregg:

now, i have to deinterlace using bob2 just to get something remotely worthwhile

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Yahooadam:

the high end cards come with adaptors that go into the svideo like port on the card

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BULLE:

AndyCap: you just connect a breakoutbox thingy to the "normal" tv out connector, and then configure X to use component output

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Yahooadam:

and split it to component

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Yahooadam:

i believe thats it bullie

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: nah, the box doesnt do the splitting, the nvidia 7xxx does have component output on the chip

[22:25:23]

AndyCap:

ever increasing amount of pins in that poor mini-din.

[22:25:30]

BULLE:

Yahooadam: atleast my "svideo out" adapter, has way more pinns then a normal s-video out

[22:25:30]

Yahooadam:

yeah but they get the componet signals out of the s-video like port

[22:25:40]

BULLE:

AndyCap: ye, its LOTS of pins in there

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: oh yes

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Yahooadam:

yeah, as andycap said, their mini-dins (couldnt think of the proper name)

[22:26:05]

Yahooadam:

my 8800GTX came with every cable under the sun :p

[22:26:08]

gregg:

directhex: do you have a 7300le? if so, do you use its svideo out to a SDTV?

[22:26:25]

directhex:

gregg, nope, just VGA out. life is easier with VGA.

[22:26:27]

BULLE:

gregg: i have a 7300gs and use both component and svideo out on a regular basis

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Yahooadam:

there u go gregg ^^

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gregg:

BULLE: for playback, what settings do you use (deinterlacing, XvMC, etc.)?

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BULLE:

gregg: i dont use XvMC and i use bob 2x deinterlacing

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BULLE:

gregg: for SDTV that is

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BULLE:

the little hd material i have, is all progressive, so no deinterlacing there

[22:28:20]

BULLE:

but that is the exception, not the norm

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BULLE:

eg, watching hd material

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gregg:

ok, is it common for folks to use bob 2x deinterlacing in this type of setup?

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|Torg|:

all my HD material is interlaced, and I dont deinterlace any of it

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|Torg|:

I use XvMc and spcifically do not deinterlace

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gregg:

because any other type of deinterlacing with my 6200TC looks grainy and slow, i.e. not live NTSC television

[22:29:36]

BULLE:

gregg: best bet is to just try out different options, and pick the setup that works best for your tv

[22:29:45]

gregg:

ok

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

ack_f0o – howz it goin ?

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: jamming out to some mp3s and grabbing a new nvidia driver =]

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Yahooadam:

:)

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ack_f0o:

kids love the vizualizations :)

[22:32:41]

Yahooadam:

ha ha :D

[22:32:58]

ack_f0o:

they are running in circles shouting OOOHH!

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ack_f0o:

=]

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Yahooadam:

i want my mythtv setup :'(

[22:33:10]

Yahooadam:

damn snailmail

[22:33:22]

ack_f0o:

<-- passes Yahooadam his old mythbox

[22:33:22]

Yahooadam:

i wish we could like beam our orders into our house :p

[22:33:37]

Yahooadam:

my fileserver died last night <_<

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ack_f0o:

oh sux

[22:33:48]

Yahooadam:

new case, HDD coolers, HDD, gfx card and tv tuner on the way

[22:33:54]

Yahooadam:

:p

[22:34:35]

ack_f0o:

sux0r

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ack_f0o:

I have to turn off my bada55 mp3 player to install the new drivers

[22:34:53]

Yahooadam:

yeah, the OS drive died

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Yahooadam:

:p

[22:35:08]

ack_f0o:

thats better than losing the file stores

[22:35:10]

Yahooadam:

atleast all the other HDD's are still ok ;)

[22:35:18]

Yahooadam:

yeah, but i cant get at them >_<

[22:35:24]

ack_f0o:

sux

[22:36:02]

jarle:

Yahooadam: boot from a live-cd to access your disks...

[22:36:52]

Yahooadam:

yeah but i dont have my samba config backed up <_<

[22:36:54]

Yahooadam:

silly me

[22:37:54]

Yahooadam:

should be here tmz, so its only 1 more night

[22:38:18]

nordle:

Greg: You mentioned you used bob2, does it not bobble like crazy around the edges? If so, how did you get round it? I went with linear as this seemed to be pretty good, no ghosting at all which I was warned was a possibility.

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** jarle is also waiting for his new backend/frontend to be delivered tomorrow... **

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Yahooadam:

:)

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ack_f0o:

hey yahooadam: seems the problem is little more odd tahn I thought

[22:42:21]

ack_f0o:

sound kicks in every few seconds, but the video never comes up — and it is VERY choppy

[22:42:23]

ack_f0o:

driver?

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Yahooadam:

sounds like it could be

[22:42:58]

ack_f0o:

Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210

[22:43:03]

Yahooadam:

:o

[22:43:13]

ack_f0o:

what in flock is that?

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jarle:

Anybody had problems with the frontend crashing their machine? I'm thinking that it might be some problem with the nvidia drivers?

[22:43:46]

ack_f0o:

heh

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Yahooadam:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/191576

[22:47:12]

gregg:

nordle: bob2 looks okay around the edges for me. no bobble.

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nordle:

gregg: What screen are you using, what size, what res?

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Yahooadam:

sounds like it could be a nvidia driver issue ack_f0o

[22:49:04]

gregg:

i've got a 27" SDTV. my modeline is as follows...

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gregg:

Modeline "720x480@60i" 12.60 720 752 792 824 480 491 494 505 interlace

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nordle:

ok thanks.

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|Torg|:

gregg shoulnt that be 60.00 not 12.60

[22:51:12]

|Torg|:

oops sorry im reading dotclock not refresh

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tcpsyn:

anyone mythgame for anything?

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Yahooadam:

"At recording time, if there were four simultaneous recordings, MythTV would put one recording onto each drive."

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Yahooadam:

if i have 1 HDD, and 1 storage group, and try and record 3 programs, will they all go on 1 drive, or will i get problems ?

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|Torg|:

yes they will all go to the same drive

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directhex:

you might have problems if they're all HD though. bandwidth problems.

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Yahooadam:

im not rich enough for HD ;)

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Yahooadam:

do u need gigabit to stream HD then ?

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|Torg|:

nope

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|Torg|:

nad 3Gb/s is PLENTY enough bandwidth to stream 8G per hour

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Yahooadam:

100mbit is enough ?

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|Torg|:

plenty

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Coded1:

hello all

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|Torg|:

VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 18800.0 kbps (2350.0 kbyte/s)

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|Torg|:

AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 384.0 kbit/25.00% (ratio: 48000->192000)

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|Torg|:

thats a 1080I HD stream with ac3 5.1 audio

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Yahooadam:

huh ?

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|Torg|:

you were asking if 100mbit was enough

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Yahooadam:

so thats 19184 kbit

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|Torg|:

2734

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Yahooadam:

= ~19mbit ?

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|Torg|:

sorry

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|Torg|:

19184 kbits/sec

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Yahooadam:

which is about 19 mbit ?

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Coded1:

|Torg|, kbps and kbite/s are the same, you mean Kbps / KBps?

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|Torg|:

no Coded1 I converted teh kbytes to kbits and added the audio wich already was in kbits

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|Torg|:

it comed to about 20% of 100baseT, well within its limits

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ack_f0o:

i cant frikkin kill X!!!!

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|Torg|:

10BaseT wont work, nor will wifi

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Yahooadam:

the video already has it in kbps – just b4 the kbytes measure

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Dagmar:

10bT will work for SD

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Coded1:

a 100Mb/s can be divided by 8bits to give 12.5MB/s about half the speed of an ide hdd

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Yahooadam:

:o thats a mightly slow HDD

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|Torg|:

18800+384=19184 hence <|Torg|> 19184 kbits/sec

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Coded1:

yup

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Yahooadam:

they usually go about 60 MB/s

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Yahooadam:

and burst at about 90MB/s

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Yahooadam:

maybe marginally slower on IDE, like a couple of MB/s

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Yahooadam:

anyway, it answered my question :p

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Yahooadam:

100mbit is fine, even for HD

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Yahooadam:

and it seems wireless might just about do it

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Yahooadam:

if you have good signal

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jarle:

in my experience wireless is not suitable for streaming video...

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Yahooadam:

aye, i hate wireless

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Dagmar:

Ya gotta have nice, uncluttered frequencies

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Coded1:

im about to buy an agp card for a system, i am toying with the idea of using it as a HTPC what would be a good card. and would a p4 2.53 + 512/pc1066 be good enough for serious hi-def?

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Yahooadam:

its so much cheaper to put in a cable

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Yahooadam:

plus its much more reliable

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Dagmar:

Coded1: THe video card doesn't matter much. An nVidia 5200 would be quite sufficient

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Dagmar:

Just stay the hell away from ATI.

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Coded1:

Dagmar, i know i had the 9800pro

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Coded1:

does myth support upsampling out of the box?

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Coded1:

or natively

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Yahooadam:

was gonna say, it doesnt come in a box ;) but thats just cos im an ass ;)

[23:14:41]

Dagmar:

You should be able to play 1080 with DVI output on a 6xxx card. I'm not sure if any of the 5xxx's had DVI but basically DVI is what you'd need

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Coded1:

lol

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|Torg|:

Yes Dagmar I do it with a 5900 quite well

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Dagmar:

Ya won't be getting 1080i/p out an s-video port

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|Torg|:

not even close

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Coded1:

whats upsampling like? how bad does dvd / sd look after the upscaling?

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Coded1:

tolerable?

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Dagmar:

Just fine most of the time

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|Torg|:

dvi-hdmi 10' cable cost me about $30

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jarle:

Dagmar: or go for HDMI if you'd like audio/video in one cable..

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Dagmar:

Technically I'm upscaling as it is at SD

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Dagmar:

jarle: And needless encumbrance

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Dagmar:

HDMI has "issues" thanks to anti-piracy measures

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jarle:

encumbrance?

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ack_f0o:

ok

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ack_f0o:

thats done

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Coded1:

i have a digital out on my sound blaster, and a sony reciever/ amp

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jarle:

Dagmar: you mean HDCP?

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Yahooadam:

u dont have to use HDCP on HDMI

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Dagmar:

Something like that

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Coded1:

so my p4 2.53 could handle the sampling rates?

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Dagmar:

It *should* be able to play back HD content

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Dagmar:

It'll just take a lot of CPU]

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Coded1:

what kinda machines are u guys using?

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Dagmar:

Athlon XP Pro1800+

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Coded1:

i could get a small upgraded cpu go as high as 3.06ht or 3.4

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|Torg|:

Athlon(tm) XP 1500+

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floppyears:

I have an athlon 64 dual core 3800+

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floppyears:

do you guys feel any lag with those processors ?

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floppyears:

I have an old machine with an amd xp 1800+ and I'm not sure if I can use it as a frontend

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Dagmar:

For SD content, no way

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Dagmar:

Even DVDs play fine

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Yahooadam:

does mythtv support hardware decoding ?

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floppyears:

can I put my old machine to good use with mythv ?

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Yahooadam:

or is it only ATI that offers that atm ?

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GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: ATI doesn't support it under Linux

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floppyears:

Yahooadam: as far as I know, it's recommended that you use nvidia card

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GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: myth can use XvMC with nvidia and the epia board

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Coded1:

ati doesn't reall support much of anything in linux, coming from a radeon 9800pro owner

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Yahooadam:

interesting

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Yahooadam:

i wasnt sure if it was ATI only that offers hardware decoding

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: plays back fine on a monitor, but not out to my HDTV...

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ack_f0o:

woerd...

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jarle:

hmmm... Why are there settings for automatically running mythfilldatabase in the frontend settings? I thought mythfilldatabase was only for the backend?

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ack_f0o:

wierd even

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fryfrog:

jarle: it is a *setting*

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fryfrog:

there are lots of settings you can change in teh FE that are for the BE

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GreyFoxx:

jarle because users whined about it so it was moved from mythtv-setup to the frontend

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fryfrog:

for example, you can *add* a new recording via the FE

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fryfrog:

but, surprise, the BE actually does it :p

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Yahooadam:

doesnt that make sense ?

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Yahooadam:

seeing as you really only want to interact via the FE, or WI

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Coded1:

What kind of dvb cards does myth support?

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: anyideas?

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Yahooadam:

huh ?

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Yahooadam:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

Coded1: the real question is what are supported under linux

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Yahooadam:

u updated nvidia drivers ?

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GreyFoxx:

myth doesn't specifically support them

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Coded1:

ooo

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: i did.

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jarle:

GreyFoxx: ok, I thought the settings in the frontend was only for the frontend you were currently running... guess you learn something new every day :)

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Yahooadam:

coded1 – what kind of DVB ? and the wiki has lots of info

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Coded1:

i havent bought one yet but I want to

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GreyFoxx:

jarle: for most settings you would be correct but some are "global"

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Coded1:

i figured I would check here before I made my decision

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GreyFoxx:

what kind of source? DVBs ?

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Coded1:

sattelite

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Yahooadam:

ack_f0o – so now if you run a normal screen playback is fine ?

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Yahooadam:

no problems atall ?

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Coded1:

i have a friend who has his house lined with gbit and has sattelite, i was wondering what kind of machine i could put together for a home media server

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Coded1:

the trick would be getting a diffrent sat channel to each tv

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Coded1:

i dont know if there are cards out there that can multiplex signals like that

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fryfrog:

you'd kind of need a card for each channel planned to watch live

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fryfrog:

until the "multicast" stuff goes into myth, but then it'd only be a few channels on the same uh, frequency

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Coded1:

thought so

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fryfrog:

not even sure if that is for sat

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fryfrog:

Normally, after the first few weeks, everyone is watching recordings, not live tv

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Yahooadam:

but if you have like 4 TV's you will probably need atleast 3 tuners

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fryfrog:

So just 2 or 3 tuner cards is plenty to avoid conflicts and still provide some ability to watch "live"

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fryfrog:

of course, you'll need 3 or 4 front ends (one for each tv)

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AndyCap:

and if they do run out of tuners you can always buy more

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Coded1:

AndyCap, tru

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Coded1:

can i load balance the video between the front end and back end?

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|Torg|:

fryfrog whats live tv?

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fryfrog:

exactly, wtf is live tv?

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fryfrog:

you know what it is?

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fryfrog:

a way of testing that your tuner cards work :p

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Kazan:

i know this is an off-topic question sorta, but i figured this is the best place to ask it – HD-DVD or Blu-Ray?

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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fryfrog:

Coded1: uh, what do you mean?

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Yahooadam:

you cant win :p

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fryfrog:

Kazan: neither

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Kazan:

fryfrog: i thought it was torture :P

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|Torg|:

ahh and here I thought it was simply a way to piss me off

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Coded1:

can i get one quad core monster to scale the video and a few piii's to display it?

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Yahooadam:

wait till the dual players come out

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Kazan:

fryfrog: lol

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fryfrog:

yeah, get a dual player perhaps

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Kazan:

if we could ever get a drm-free format.... stupid content industry

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fryfrog:

or maybe go for the one with the cheapest player :/

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Yahooadam:

even then, the current hi def is just scaled up DVD, and looks pretty crap

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam???

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fryfrog:

but hd-dvd and blu-ray still only represent a tiny, tiny drop in the bucket compared to DVD

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Yahooadam:

so ure better off scaling up a DVD, it looks better

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fryfrog:

like, add *all* the blu-ray and *all* the hd-dvd sales since it started up.

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fryfrog:

that doesn't even equal the number of borat dvds sold in the first week it was for sale

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Yahooadam:

|torg| – atm they dont want to support multiple formats, as DVD is the most popular, they make it for that and then upscale for the Hi def

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fryfrog:

also, netflix says that their hd-dvd and blu-ray rentals account for something like less than 1% :/

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Kazan:

that's sad.. because borat sucks

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fryfrog:

I think my choice on blu-ray vs. hd-dvd would be based solely on weather I owned a PS3 or Xbox 360

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Kazan:

but then.. i think almost all comedy movies in the last decade are painful

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Yahooadam:

personally id go blu-ray (if i had to) beacause it would be a good backup format

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|Torg|:

you better watch what the porn industry uses, that wil be our next format

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Yahooadam:

but for movies, dont bother with either

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Kazan:

apparently there is a way of making Nero record HD-DVD on a normal DVD+/-R

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fryfrog:

superbad is sofa king awesome

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Kazan:

japanese porn has gone blu-ray

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fryfrog:

Kazan: yeah, but i think it only holds like 30min of HD

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Yahooadam:

yeah but who watches jap pwn :p

[23:39:38]

Kazan:

and is getting customer support from sony (something they didn't do with betamax)

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AndyCap:

porn has gone to online streaming. :>

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Yahooadam:

yeah but some people need to fill their huge 10ft projector screens with it :p

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Yahooadam:

pixeleted ... *u know* ... aint good :p

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AndyCap:

I'm not convinced 1080p pornstars look any good either

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

http://www.talktodan.com/photos/summer05/myth . . . cs.php?num=8 – lol just lol :p

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fryfrog:

hahahah

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AndyCap:

not bad at all

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Yahooadam:

does knopmyth (or whatever) boot from a livecd ?

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Yahooadam:

or do u have to install it ?

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jarle:

if I only use EIT EPG, there is no reason for running mythfilldatabase on a regular basis?

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|Torg|:

do you want to overfill your program guide and leave stuff in it you no longer can use?

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jarle:

Yahooadam: http://www.linux.com/feature/118668

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jarle:

|Torg|: ehh... no! :)

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ack_f0o:

hmmm

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|Torg|:

mythfilldatabase also deletes the old program guide you need to run it still

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Yahooadam:

The following error was encountered: Connection to 66.35.250.176 Failed

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Yahooadam:

nice link jarle :p

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Yahooadam:

works now

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Yahooadam:

./shrug

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: i have an idea...

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ack_f0o:

maybe this box is !strong enough to play SDTV out to the HDTV screen...?

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Yahooadam:

umm where were we ?

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Yahooadam:

i thought i asked if it was working ok on your normal pc screen ?

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Yahooadam:

if so, i guess you dont have it all setup right for your HD screen ?

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ack_f0o:

it works fine on pc screen

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ack_f0o:

1024x768

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** jarle is telling himself that if mythfrontend crashes his desktop once more it is time for bed... **

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ack_f0o:

i am running 1920x1280 on the tv

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ack_f0o:

maybe?

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Yahooadam:

6200 should do that :s

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ack_f0o:

6200 heh

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Yahooadam:

1920x1280 aint exactly huge

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ack_f0o:

yeah right

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ack_f0o:

this is less than half that

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Yahooadam:

actually it is pretty big :p

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Kazan:

um..... 1920x1280?

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ack_f0o:

3g

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ack_f0o:

sloweron

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ack_f0o:

(celereon)

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Kazan:

that's 1.5 not 1.77

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Kazan:

1920x1080=1080 line HD

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ack_f0o:

1080i right?

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|Torg|:

1920x1080 = 5:9 a video mode, 1920x1280= 5:10 a display mode

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jarle:

going down...

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AndyCap:

well, 1920x1200..

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ack_f0o:

doesnt really matter it doesnt work

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ack_f0o:

=]

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ack_f0o:

<=== kicks box on way out to play hockey

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Yahooadam:

tried the videoline thingy (whatever it is)

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|Torg|:

1920x1280 is a standard 24" widescreen display

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Kazan:

16:9 and 16:10 you mean

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|Torg|:

yes

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AndyCap:

|Torg|: oh really? :) 1200 and I'll agree.

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ack_f0o:

yahooadam: these new drivers horked everything up worst....

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ack_f0o:

oh well — putting the cables back into the cable box so the wife and kids can watch TV — I am out of here — hopefully I can sort this, thanks for the assist, and I may have to come back for more =]

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Noble:

hey, i remember there is a cable box, not supported by mythtv, that outputs the mpeg2 and mpeg4 from a satellite signal to a pc via usb, but I can't remember what it was called... anyone know?

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Noble:

satellite receiver, not cable box

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Noble:

a better question, although i'm pretty sure the answer is no, is, are there any devices that will output the mpeg stream from dish network that can be used by mythtv?

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Daviey:

Noble: D-Box?

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|Torg|:

Noble you find a dvb-s card with a nagra2 CAM and you can, other then that you have to use illegal software and we do not discuss that here

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Noble:

i'm in the usa, btw

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Noble:

not sure if thats relevant to the solutions you're suggesting

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directhex:

you were hardly going to be trying to access a US satellite network from lithuania

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Noble:

i'm looking up nagra2 cam

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