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Tuesday, August 28th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Yahooadam:

last time i tried mythtv it wasnt in the rep

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Yahooadam:

so that was great fun <_<

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Yahooadam:

4 hours work later

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Aval0n:

geez

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Yahooadam:

not including the tv tuner card

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Yahooadam:

not including the remote

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Yahooadam:

not including getting it recording

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Yahooadam:

or any setup

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Yahooadam:

was hell :p

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Aval0n:

pfft i'm dreading my remote setup

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Aval0n:

i am hoping to use the kworld 115 ir sensor

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Yahooadam:

thought it was easy these days ?

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Aval0n:

and a logitech harmony 520

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Aval0n:

nah

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Aval0n:

i went into this expecting headache

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Aval0n:

and I got some

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Aval0n:

but it's still moving along :)

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Aval0n:

getting the wireless G linksys adapter working was fun

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

P.O.S.

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Yahooadam:

thought linksys kit was well supported ?

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Yahooadam:

although i did have problems with the PCMCIA one on my laptop lolz

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Yahooadam:

it wanted to download some software, but obv it didnt have internet :p

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Yahooadam:

in the end i found out the wired network port worked fine if i did ifup eth0

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Yahooadam:

but that was after i got the wireless card working :p

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Aval0n:

:)

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Yahooadam:

linux is still not ready for the home user – sadly

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Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

for sure

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Aval0n:

it's a catch22

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Aval0n:

because for it to get there

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Yahooadam:

yeah

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Aval0n:

it alsmost has to become what it rebels against

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Yahooadam:

if nvidia would make their drivers open source

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Aval0n:

winbloze

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Yahooadam:

i think that would pretty much get it there

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Aval0n:

you mean ati?

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Aval0n:

i thought nvidia was good about opensource

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AllyFan:

yahooadam – I figured out part of what was going on – the wrong nvidia driver was loaded. Did an init 3/load proper driver/init 5/ and now mythfrontend is running properly in it's own window.

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Yahooadam:

na ATI's are supposed to be opensource already

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Aval0n:

!?

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Aval0n:

ati support is crappy

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Yahooadam:

nvidia's linux driver is closed source, but it works

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

odd

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Yahooadam:

ati's driver was closed source, and it didnt work

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Yahooadam:

i dont know if they have released an opensource one yet

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Yahooadam:

but they announced they were going to

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Yahooadam:

yeah it seems you can get it already

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Yahooadam:

although they appear to be immature still

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Yahooadam:

so dont count on them atall

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Yahooadam:

maybe not, it seems the results are being mixed with the homebrew open source drivers

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Yahooadam:

http://enterpriselinuxlog.blogs.techtarget.co . . . ics-drivers/

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Yahooadam:

zomg

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Yahooadam:

why the hell doesnt the hauppage remote volume buttons work with lirc :o

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Aval0n:

0_o

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Yahooadam:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR-350_Remote_Quick_Guide

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

the oldgrey remote config seems to work

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Yahooadam:

and as thats what i have, thats what counts :p

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Yahooadam:

oh maybe not

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Yahooadam:

grr

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Yahooadam:

i get so confused with this stuff :p

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quantum:

if I want to play songs on my frontend computer off another computer running the backend. do I need to use file sharing or is this all sent the same way as the video information over the database connection or whatever

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quantum:

anybody on line?

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Yahooadam:

i would have thought it should work either way, but somone who actually knows can answer :p

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Yahooadam:

and yes a few people are online, u will have to wait for an answer though

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Yahooadam:

this is IRC not MSn

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quantum:

yeah I get the following error DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5

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Yahooadam:

checked the logs ?

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Yahooadam:

it will probably say what it tried to open and then u can see the problem ;)

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quantum:

2007-08–27 19:20:49.361 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.

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quantum:

Decoder error. DecoderMAD: Failed to open input. Error 5.

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quantum:

I can hear sound on the tv playback but maybe that is different

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Yahooadam:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2004 . . . /026032.html

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fryfrog:

quantum: if you are on a modern distro, you probably should use alsa instead

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fryfrog:

where you have /dev/dsp, put "ALSA:default"

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quantum:

well I can play then on the backend computer just fine

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fryfrog:

and for mixer, put "default"

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quantum:

yeah running fc7

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Yahooadam:

play them with the mythtv user ?

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quantum:

so I should choose audio device adsp?

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Yahooadam:

that wont help you fix this problem

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Yahooadam:

but it might sound better or whatever :p

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quantum:

Yahooadam, yes, with teh mythuser on that computer, but not on my 2nd front end

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Yahooadam:

plus i think alsa supports multiplexing

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quantum:

is adsp alsa?

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quantum:

well there is the audio output device adn the pssthrough devis, looks like the pasthrough is for choosing alsa, but what is adsp

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Yahooadam:

however, it still wont help you play the file :p

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Yahooadam:

does your 2nd pc play your tv ?

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quantum:

yes

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Aval0n:

grrrr now myth wonr work

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Aval0n:

gr

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Aval0n:

the .20.2 install broke it

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Aval0n:

I wonder if it's conflicting with the ubuntu mythtv frontend

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quantum:

there seems to be only one choice under Passthrough output device other than default so I guess it is only using alsa

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Aval0n:

/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...

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Aval0n:

mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.2.so.0: canno

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Aval0n:

t open shared object file: No such file or directory

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Aval0n:

eh?

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my2keh:

anyone know if it's possible to upload videos into the "Watch Recordings" screen?

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Yahooadam:

tried google ?

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Yahooadam:

umm

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GreyFoxx:

my2keh: nothing built in

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Yahooadam:

@ aval0n :p

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Aval0n:

0_o

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GreyFoxx:

you'd have to insert records into "recorded" for each one

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Yahooadam:

it may be a link u have to setup

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Yahooadam:

but as compiling is an ass :p

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Yahooadam:

why are u in such a rush to compile manually ?

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Aval0n:

cause I can't get it any other way

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Yahooadam:

why do you need .20 so fast :p

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Yahooadam:

wait a day or 2 and itl probably be in reps

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Aval0n:

sd?

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Aval0n:

schedules direct?

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thsnckisoriginal:

I updated to 0.20.2 last night, going to see if it works right now...

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Yahooadam:

u have like 3 days b4 u need that :p

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Aval0n:

heh

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Yahooadam:

plus it probably already has listings for the next week ?

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Yahooadam:

so really u have like 10 days :p

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Aval0n:

thsnck, you just did /configure | make | make install for the myth tar.gz?

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my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> and I'm assuming there's documents that describe that table?

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quantum:

on a frontend only system is the music played of the local drive or the server, because there is a directory to hold music option under the music player configuration settings

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GreyFoxx:

my2keh: You assume wrong :)

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GreyFoxx:

run mysql and type desc recorded :)

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Yahooadam:

quantum

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my2keh:

well there is show columns from recorded;

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my2keh:

heh

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Yahooadam:

it may temporarily store it there

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GreyFoxx:

then select * from recorded

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my2keh:

but that's all i have to do?

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my2keh:

and put it in /myth/tv

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GreyFoxx:

the select * gives you exampls frm your current recordings

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my2keh:

right

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GreyFoxx:

then you need to INSERT the appropriate records

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Yahooadam:

surely some has a seperate backend to frontend and has played music b4 :p

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my2keh:

sounds simple enough I guess

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my2keh:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

then you might have to run mythcomflag to rebuld th eseektables, but you might not have to do that

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my2keh:

ok...I'm gonna spend a few search around to see if there's something out there

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my2keh:

if not, start at it

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my2keh:

would it matter the file type?

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Yahooadam:

sounds like an SQL command to me

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Yahooadam:

could make a cron job to sync them

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my2keh:

yup, it obviously would be SQL

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Yahooadam:

simple script

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my2keh:

don't I need to do something with mythpretty?

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GreyFoxx:

mythwhat ?

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my2keh:

uhh isn't there a script

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thsnckisoriginal:

alright, it's operational

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my2keh:

to create 'pretty' names?

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GreyFoxx:

oh, there is a mythrename or something in the contrib directories

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my2keh:

/myth/pretty

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thsnckisoriginal:

Aval0n: I unmasked the 0.20.2 genpackage

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thsnckisoriginal:

the behavior is pretty snappy as compare to before

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

i'm having a hell of a time getting the tar ball working

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Yahooadam:

what error now ?

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thsnckisoriginal:

did you remove the ubuntu install but keep the deps ?

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Aval0n:

mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.2.so.0: canno

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Aval0n:

t open shared object file: No such file or directory

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Aval0n:

the file is there

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thsnckisoriginal:

ldconfig

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Aval0n:

i did a make make install in the libs dir too

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Yahooadam:

im assuming u can get mythtv working without a tuner :p

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Aval0n:

I think I did ldconfig

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thsnckisoriginal:

mm

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Aval0n:

rebooting now

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Aval0n:

did it again but X was frozen

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thsnckisoriginal:

wow, there was just a post to Mythtv.org

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thsnckisoriginal:

maybe not _just_ but it was quite recent

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Aval0n:

ok X is coming up now..

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Aval0n:

nope

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Aval0n:

still broken

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Aval0n:

grrr

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thsnckisoriginal:

where is the libmyth file?

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Aval0n:

same error

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Aval0n:

sec...

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thsnckisoriginal:

should be /usr/lib

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Aval0n:

/usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.2.so.0

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thsnckisoriginal:

mmm

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thsnckisoriginal:

or maybe add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and rerun ldconfig

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thsnckisoriginal:

if it's not already there

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Aval0n:

sec

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Aval0n:

nothing was in that file

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Aval0n:

but /etc/ld.so.conf/*.conf

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Aval0n:

"include /etc/ld.so.conf/*.conf"

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thsnckisoriginal:

yah, that's what my ubuntu machine has too

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Aval0n:

wth heh

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thsnckisoriginal:

well, my ubuntu machine doesn't run myth

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thsnckisoriginal:

;)

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thsnckisoriginal:

I run Myth on Gentoo

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thsnckisoriginal:

but

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Yahooadam:

now u tell us :p

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Aval0n:

blah

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Aval0n:

heheh

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thsnckisoriginal:

when you do the ./config on myth, include the directive --prefix=/usr

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Yahooadam:

ubuntu and gentoo are quite different i think

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thsnckisoriginal:

no, they're exactly the same

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thsnckisoriginal:

only the name is different :-P

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Aval0n:

should I add "include /usr/local/lib"

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thsnckisoriginal:

no, just add /usr/local/lib

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Yahooadam:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local

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thsnckisoriginal:

/usr/local is the default

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Yahooadam:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_M . . . urce_code.3F

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thsnckisoriginal:

you'd want to do --prefix=/usr

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Yahooadam:

"The prefix tells the build to install to /usr/local. By default MythTv gets installed to /usr which should only be touched by ubuntu packages. /usr/local doesn't contain any distribution specific files – so if you ever wanted to get rid of mythtv you could just delete whatever is in there."

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Aval0n:

so what about all the libs that went in the wrong place

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Aval0n:

I have to manually delete them?

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thsnckisoriginal:

eh, the information about using /usr/local vs /usr is right, but normally /usr/local is the default install prefix from autoconfig tools

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Yahooadam:

can you not uninstall it ?

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thsnckisoriginal:

sometimes they'll include a make uninstall

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Yahooadam:

another thing i dont like about linux ;)

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Yahooadam:

lack of uninstallers / repairs :p

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fryfrog:

hello, my name is "your distro's package manager" what is yours?

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Aval0n:

synaptic

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

doesn't have mythtv .20.2

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thsnckisoriginal:

yet

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Aval0n:

just .20

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fryfrog:

you could in theory make your own .deb package

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Yahooadam:

that assumes that the distros package manager keeps track of customly compiled software

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Yahooadam:

which i dont think it does

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thsnckisoriginal:

they don't

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Aval0n:

ok for sure I want --prefix=/usr ?

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Yahooadam:

i dont know

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Yahooadam:

that compile guide says use /usr/local

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Yahooadam:

however it is for breezy ..

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Aval0n:

hmm

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thsnckisoriginal:

if you want to know all the files it installs

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thsnckisoriginal:

do find / > /tmp/before; make install; find / > /tmp/after; diff /tmp/before /tmp/after > /tmp/install

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

and then the one for dapper says /usr

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thsnckisoriginal:

ldconfig is going to look in /usr

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Aval0n:

fiesty? :)

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Yahooadam:

still looking :p

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Aval0n:

:)

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thsnckisoriginal:

Aval0n: did you add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig then try again?

[00:56:28]

Aval0n:

no

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thsnckisoriginal:

does it hurt?

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Aval0n:

i did make uninstall :)

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Yahooadam:

ure trying to run 0.20.2 ?

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Yahooadam:

6 hours ago – "The feisty build has been pushed to feisty-proposed."

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Yahooadam:

shoudlve waited :p

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Aval0n:

?

[00:58:10]

Yahooadam:

ie, its on the list to go into the main reps

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Yahooadam:

should be in there soon im guessing ;)

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thsnckisoriginal:

ok, I'm sure he knows there will be packages eventually, but seems like he's trying to finish a 0.20.2 installation now...

[00:58:51]

thsnckisoriginal:

you've done the majority of the work compiling

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Yahooadam:

he needs it before september 1st

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Yahooadam:

due to the shutdown of the data source

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thsnckisoriginal:

I'd say run make installand add /usr/local/lib, OR reconfigure with --prefix=/usr and rebuild (which is fast because everything is built) then do the make install and try again

[00:59:25]

thsnckisoriginal:

I know what he needs it for

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my2keh:

anyone heard of a mythrebuilddb.pl before?

[00:59:35]

thsnckisoriginal:

OR wait for packages

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Yahooadam:

i dont know how fast stuff gets moved from proposed to the reps, but i would expect it there withing 24 hrs

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thsnckisoriginal:

Aval0n: do you have universe/multiverse?

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Aval0n:

dohthanks for the help guys

[01:00:17]

Aval0n:

no

[01:00:20]

Aval0n:

I don't think so

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thsnckisoriginal:

there might already be a package in the unsupported repositories

[01:00:46]

** thsnckisoriginal goes to check **

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Yahooadam:

plus its flagged as a high priority :)

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my2keh:

actually it's myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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thsnckisoriginal:

my2

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thsnckisoriginal:

my2keh: I don't have that on my machines

[01:02:25]

my2keh:

Wierd

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Yahooadam:

i tried apt-get install mythtv

[01:02:30]

my2keh:

I didn't do anything special

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my2keh:

and I do

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Yahooadam:

but that just lists all the pacages

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Yahooadam:

not the versions

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my2keh:

an di think it allows me to import shows

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my2keh:

into recordings

[01:03:21]

Yahooadam:

no its still .20.0

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my2keh:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

[01:04:36]

Yahooadam:

and i do have universe and mutliverse enabled, and updated b4 ;)

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thsnckisoriginal:

neat

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thsnckisoriginal:

I'll have to keep that script in mind

[01:05:07]

thsnckisoriginal:

I have them both also

[01:05:09]

my2keh:

yeah, I don't like the Videos

[01:05:10]

Yahooadam:

however i though there was an unstable repository

[01:05:10]

my2keh:

interface

[01:05:13]

Yahooadam:

with the betas in

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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Yahooadam:

ok well universe is the devopment bit :p

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my2keh:

holly shit

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my2keh:

it worked

[01:08:38]

my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --dbhost localhost --file TheLittleMermaid.avi

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Aval0n:

damn

[01:08:53]

nordle:

My god, I've finally got something to play DVD's that looks good, doesn't fall over on copyprotection and doesn't cut up to sh1t with vsync issues. yay :) mplayer -dvd-device %d -dvd-speed 8 -cache 8192 -alang en -vo xv -autoq 100 -fs -zoom -ontop -noborder -vf pp=ha:64:19/va:64:19/al,hqdn3d=1:1:2:1,eq2=1:1.1:0:1:1:1:1:0,hue=0:1.3,pullup,cr op=720:440:0:66,dsize=720:400 dvd://`longest_dvd_track.sh`

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Aval0n:

it lost all my settings

[01:09:11]

Aval0n:

I had my gui pixel size all setup

[01:09:12]

Aval0n:

damn it

[01:09:15]

Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

did u delete your db ?

[01:09:39]

nordle:

Aval0n: cant you get it from /etc/X11/xorg.log.old

[01:09:47]

nordle:

oopps

[01:09:51]

nordle:

meant /var/log

[01:10:08]

Pogonip:

My compile bombs out at "libmythavcodec-0.20.2.so.0.20.2" with the error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldts" can anyone tell me what I'm missing?

[01:10:21]

nordle:

a52dec?

[01:10:27]

Aval0n:

nordle my myth gui settings?

[01:10:28]

my2keh:

works like a charm!

[01:10:29]

Aval0n:

are you sue

[01:10:30]

Aval0n:

sure

[01:10:35]

Aval0n:

I'm not talking about my modeline

[01:10:58]

nordle:

oh, sorry, late on the conversation.....gutted...

[01:11:50]

Aval0n:

wahts the file you can see your mysql password in?

[01:11:57]

Pogonip:

Not a52dec

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nordle:

libdts

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Aval0n:

nvm

[01:12:12]

Yahooadam:

p.s.

[01:12:13]

Yahooadam:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+sou . . . 6/comments/8

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nordle:

Aval0n: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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seth|laptop:

so I guess compiling mythtv won't happen tonight with gentoo

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Aval0n:

nordle

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Aval0n:

it changed it already

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Aval0n:

to mythtv

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Aval0n:

damn it

[01:14:38]

Aval0n:

now I don't know what my old pass was

[01:14:58]

Aval0n:

what's the command to login to mysql with a username?

[01:15:15]

Aval0n:

nvm i can google that

[01:15:36]

thsnckisoriginal:

-u

[01:15:43]

thsnckisoriginal:

mysql -u <user> -p

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Aval0n:

that's right thank you

[01:16:10]

Aval0n:

yep

[01:16:13]

Aval0n:

mythtv = deniec

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Aval0n:

denied*

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Pogonip:

libdca developement package. Thanks nordle

[01:18:51]

Yahooadam:

seth – id just wait for a bit

[01:19:10]

Yahooadam:

it shouldnt take too long, definetly within the next 2–3 days

[01:19:20]

Yahooadam:

i expect it by the end of today though

[01:19:39]

Yahooadam:

because alot of americans have a serious time limit here ;)

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nordle:

Aval0n: You should be able to log in as root user.... unless toy flushed the privileges for all users@localhost except mythtv. That would suck.

[01:20:37]

Yahooadam:

right well im off to play some games, thx for all your help guys, and i hope you realise you cost a poor kid like Â£150 :p

[01:20:59]

nordle:

I think, if you can ssh into box, you can run mysqladmin to change password of mythtv user.

[01:21:37]

Aval0n:

is there a command while logged in as root to mysql that will show all users?

[01:21:44]

seth|laptop:

so how do I make mythtv compile with qt3 not qt4 ?

[01:21:56]

thsnckisoriginal:

when I forward the mythtv-setup to this machine the graphics gets all screwed up

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Yahooadam:

dunno

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thsnckisoriginal:

set the QTDIR env var

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nordle:

Aval0n: mysqladmin -u mythtv password 'newpassword'

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Yahooadam:

if you wanna mess with mysql, phpmyadmin

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Yahooadam:

much easier :p

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seth|laptop:

like 'set QTDIR=/usr/qt/3' ?

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Aval0n:

root@htpc:/home/mythtv/.mythtv# mysqladmin -u mythtv -h htpc -p password 'mythtv'

[01:22:52]

Aval0n:

root@htpc:/home/mythtv/.mythtv# mysqladmin -u mythtv password 'mythtv'

[01:22:52]

Aval0n:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

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Aval0n:

error: 'Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'

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Yahooadam:

assuming you have php and apache, but as mythtv uses a web interface anyway :)

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Aval0n:

sorry

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Aval0n:

that was a tad bit long shoulda pastebin'd it

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Yahooadam:

u didnt use a password

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Yahooadam:

and u should probably go in as root too

[01:24:04]

Yahooadam:

oh i see what ure doing now

[01:24:13]

Yahooadam:

i dont think you can reset the users password as that user

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Aval0n:

does you have to specify what database to log into?

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Yahooadam:

as thats a rather big security flaw ...

[01:24:25]

Yahooadam:

no

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Yahooadam:

users are not database specific

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Aval0n:

i'm logged into mysql as root right now

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Yahooadam:

ah

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Aval0n:

SET PASSWORD FOR 'user'@'hostname' = PASSWORD('passwordhere'); isn't working

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nordle:

update user set password=PASSWORD("NEWPASSWORD") where User='mythtv';

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Aval0n:

nice

[01:25:42]

nordle:

Don't forget to flush privileges after

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Aval0n:

it says

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Aval0n:

error no database selected

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nordle:

try use mythconverg first

[01:26:10]

Aval0n:

?

[01:26:35]

Yahooadam:

avalon, do u have php and apache installed ?

[01:26:37]

nordle:

logged in to mysql as root, and type "use mythtv_database_name"

[01:26:39]

Aval0n:

yes

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Yahooadam:

seriously, phpmyadmin is so much easier

[01:26:52]

nordle:

:)

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Yahooadam:

and its like 2mb :p

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Aval0n:

unknown database name

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nordle:

Dude, you forgot your db... type "show databases"

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Yahooadam:

do

[01:27:42]

Yahooadam:

sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin

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nordle:

haha

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Aval0n:

it gives me nothing

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Aval0n:

just a new prompt

[01:28:14]

nordle:

;

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thsnckisoriginal:

shoot

[01:28:24]

Aval0n:

->

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nordle:

Anal0n: type ;

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thsnckisoriginal:

the lineup b/w z2l and sd wasn't perfect (my fault)...

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Yahooadam:

are u still logged into mysqladmin ?

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nordle:

show databases;

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Aval0n:

| information_schema |

[01:29:03]

Aval0n:

| mysql |

[01:29:03]

Aval0n:

| mythconverg |

[01:29:10]

nordle:

use mythconverg

[01:29:10]

nordle:

;

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nordle:

update user set password=PASSWORD("NEWPASSWORD") where User='mythtv';

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Aval0n:

i think I tried changin the pass in there

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Aval0n:

mysql> update user set password=PASSWORD("mythtv") where User='mythtv';

[01:29:52]

Aval0n:

ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.user' doesn't exist

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Yahooadam:

information_schema is technically where the pass is set

[01:30:02]

nordle:

oops

[01:30:48]

nordle:

I meant, bare with me, use mysql;

[01:31:04]

nordle:

then run the update

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Aval0n:

eh>?

[01:31:22]

nordle:

use mysql;

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nordle:

update user set password=PASSWORD("NEWPASSWORD") where User='mythtv';

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Aval0n:

right

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Aval0n:

that's what I thought I was supposed to be logging into at first

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Aval0n:

hehehe

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nordle:

Aval0n: It's been a while since I got down and dirty with the mysql cli :) Bit rusty.

[01:32:13]

Aval0n:

hahaah

[01:32:18]

Aval0n:

that seemed to have liked that

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Aval0n:

now FLUSH PRIVILEGES?

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nordle:

yep

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nordle:

flush privileges;

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Aval0n:

is there a D in there?

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Aval0n:

that worked

[01:32:57]

Aval0n:

excellent

[01:32:57]

Aval0n:

thanks

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nordle:

:)

[01:33:07]

Yahooadam:

u know how fast that is on phpmyadmin ? :p

[01:33:12]

Aval0n:

hahaha

[01:33:15]

Aval0n:

I've never used it before

[01:33:21]

Yahooadam:

its extreamly simple tbh

[01:33:21]

nordle:

About time I managed to help someone else in here!

[01:33:22]

Aval0n:

:)

[01:33:59]

nordle:

Yahooadam is right, I use it all the time to tweak the settings table in myth db

[01:34:28]

Aval0n:

great

[01:34:33]

Aval0n:

now myth is bombing again

[01:34:51]

Yahooadam:

?

[01:35:15]

Aval0n:

lol

[01:35:18]

Aval0n:

arrgh

[01:35:20]

nordle:

bombing?

[01:35:28]

BULLE:

terrorist myth!

[01:35:28]

Aval0n:

2007-08–27 18:34:17.338 Could not find theme: Iulius

[01:35:28]

Aval0n:

Couldn't find theme Iulius

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Aval0n:

looks like I gotta redo all that too

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thsnckisoriginal:

sweet, that's done, I'm all changed over to sd

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Aval0n:

I guess the old stuff from mythtv .20 just sits there eh?

[01:36:18]

Yahooadam:

probably ;)

[01:36:28]

Yahooadam:

its really not worth upgrading this way now is it :p

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nordle:

I just installed 0.20.2 over the top of 0.20....it seemed to work ok. Only plugin that didn't want to re-install was mythstreamtuner thingy

[01:36:44]

thsnckisoriginal:

this is what I would've done

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seth|laptop:

i am trying to update to 20.2 for SD support, but gentoo is fighting me

[01:37:12]

thsnckisoriginal:

backed up the db, removed the mythtv packages from ubuntu, gotten the source, built with --prefix=/usr, install all the parts you want, re-import the db, make sure things work

[01:37:16]

nordle:

What do you mean by SD support?

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Yahooadam:

whys everyone so impatient :p

[01:37:27]

thsnckisoriginal:

Schedules Direct

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nordle:

No need to re-import the db

[01:37:37]

Yahooadam:

its the new listings program

[01:37:40]

nordle:

it does it all for you

[01:37:44]

Yahooadam:

beacause zap2it is closing

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seth|laptop:

yeah, sorry schedules direct

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thsnckisoriginal:

Yahooadam: because they want to make sure things are working before there's no more schedule data

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seth|laptop:

yeah, time is running out

[01:38:03]

Yahooadam:

maybe, but your current schedule looks what, 2 weeks ahead ?

[01:38:09]

thsnckisoriginal:

last time I used ubuntu to install Myth, it overwrote my db with some termplate

[01:38:11]

Yahooadam:

and you have 3 days b4 it wont update any more

[01:38:19]

seth|laptop:

i have a master 3 slaves and 4 frontends, and i can't lose production :-)

[01:38:25]

Yahooadam:

its already in the proposed sources ;)

[01:38:32]

seth|laptop:

especially not before all the new seasons atart

[01:38:34]

seth|laptop:

er start

[01:38:34]

Yahooadam:

should be there quite soon i think

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thsnckisoriginal:

you're still not helping anyway

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nordle:

damnit 2:40am.....work in 4 hours...crap. bye.

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Yahooadam:

my experience with mythtv is a little limited ;)

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thsnckisoriginal:

it's one thing when someone says, 'oh yah, it'll be there soon enough, forget this compiling garbage' ... but now it's obvious he's still working on it

[01:39:48]

Yahooadam:

yes ok, and i did try and help him

[01:39:57]

Yahooadam:

he wanted help with sql and i suggested phpmyadmin

[01:40:18]

Yahooadam:

as he already has the prerequisites anyway

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my2keh:

compiling is easy

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thsnckisoriginal:

at any rate, I can vouch that once 0.20.2 is in place, and you have a sd account setup the same as your z2l account, the switch is painless

[01:40:44]

Yahooadam:

im just trying to say, for all the hassle you lot are going through – you will be using it like 6 hours sooner

[01:40:47]

seth|laptop:

well my gentoo box wants to use qt4, and it is erroring out, ack, my mythbuntu boxes and my mythdora boxes upgraded without pain

[01:40:48]

seth|laptop:

ack

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thsnckisoriginal:

hmm, I had no problem with gentoo

[01:41:11]

thsnckisoriginal:

how'd you do it?

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seth|laptop:

well mine is trying to use qt4, I know qt3 is on here, i just recompiled with mysql and opengl support

[01:41:45]

thsnckisoriginal:

I have exported QTDIR=/usr/qt/3 tho

[01:41:54]

seth|laptop:

hmm

[01:42:07]

seth|laptop:

lemme try thst sgsin

[01:42:13]

seth|laptop:

er that again

[01:42:15]

Yahooadam:

grr wtf

[01:42:23]

Yahooadam:

why does ubuntu want to install postfix with mysql

[01:42:28]

Yahooadam:

it makes no sense atall

[01:42:34]

thsnckisoriginal:

to send admin emails

[01:42:48]

Yahooadam:

but i dont want emails :p

[01:42:52]

Yahooadam:

emails are a damn pain !

[01:43:10]

Yahooadam:

and when i try to cancel it

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thsnckisoriginal:

I never got into forcing Ubuntu's hand, I let it do what it wants

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Yahooadam:

it just brings me back

[01:43:16]

thsnckisoriginal:

then if I don't want it, I just make sure it doesn't start

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seth|laptop:

nope, still no joy

[01:43:33]

thsnckisoriginal:

did you reconfigure?

[01:43:37]

thsnckisoriginal:

or just try make again

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seth|laptop:

fails with errors as soon as it enters libmyth

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thsnckisoriginal:

there's this from the 0.20.2 release notes:

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thsnckisoriginal:

Fix compilation on systems with both QT3 and QT4 installed by using QTDIR to find the right qmake

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thsnckisoriginal:

so you should make clean and reconfigure with QTDIR set

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thsnckisoriginal:

then rebuilt

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thsnckisoriginal:

rebuild

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seth|laptop:

here is athe error, if it helps http://pastebin.ca/673006

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thsnckisoriginal:

def. looks like it's trying to use qt4

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B5Duster:

Hey all – I need some help with scaling issues on my hitachi "HD1080" plasma screen

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Yahooadam:

shoot ;)

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B5Duster:

I have a mythbox (via epia SP based) with a DVI daughterboard sending a signal through a DVI to HDMI cable to the TV

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B5Duster:

this is all works as planned, except no matter what mode I use (or custom modeline) the tv always scales the incoming signal to 4:3 even though they are clearly 16:9 modes

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Yahooadam:

sure its not a setting on the tv ?

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Yahooadam:

i know one of my tv's you can select 16:9 or 4:3

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B5Duster:

it's quite frustrating. The native res of the panel is 1280x1080 (yes it's a weird one) so the panel must scale either way. I figured feeding it a 1920x1080 signal at whatever the refresh is supposed to be (30 hz if I recall – I used a custom 1080i modeline off the web) that it would scale and work but alas :/

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thsnckisoriginal:

oh man

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thsnckisoriginal:

I wish I had the research I had done about modelines

[01:52:09]

thsnckisoriginal:

you basically can make your own

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: Thought it might be – when I set the tv aspect to 16:9 it just stretches the truncated image across the screen (squishes it)

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Yahooadam:

ok

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B5Duster:

thsnckisoriginal: Tried that too. I must have gone through like 30 modelines :)

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Yahooadam:

well your best bet is to feed it the correct resolution ;)

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thsnckisoriginal:

but was it right for your tv?

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Yahooadam:

im guessing you need to start with xorg really

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B5Duster:

well my reasoning was that my cable box would send something close to 1080i out the hdmi and the tv knows how to deal with that – why not the computer?

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thsnckisoriginal:

I wonder that myself

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B5Duster:

thsnckisoriginal: I don't know. All I know is the screen size in mm and the native res. The manual is very sparse on the technical specs and I've been unable to find much elsewhere

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Yahooadam:

tried 60hz ?

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thsnckisoriginal:

right, that's normally the case

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Yahooadam:

im suprised the screen isnt 60hz tbh ...

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B5Duster:

so I created a mode based on what I know and no love

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B5Duster:

I believe it is

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thsnckisoriginal:

what I recall doing is having to run X with a specific flag to get it to communicate to the panel, which reported all the modelines for me

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Yahooadam:

hmm lets do a quick googly

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B5Duster:

based on what I read of similar models

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thsnckisoriginal:

plus

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thsnckisoriginal:

if you have an nvidia card you can use some of the built in ones from the nvidia binary drivers

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Yahooadam:

bah sony :p

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Yahooadam:

oh wiat

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B5Duster:

heh be my guest – I exhausted all of the search phrases I could think of which is why I came here )

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Yahooadam:

wtf :s

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Yahooadam:

umm

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Yahooadam:

what model number is your display ?

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Gurft:

Well, I think if ixed my ghosting issue (partially) better qualidy svideo cable

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B5Duster:

thsnckisoriginal: I'm using a DVI daughterboard on a via epia mobo – no external video. There is a VBEModes flag that I set to view resolutions and it outputted TONS of them

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Yahooadam:

was the resolution your pumping one of them ?

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thsnckisoriginal:

hmm, man...I had a lot of info on this 6 months ago

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thsnckisoriginal:

for example, does your 1080i look like these?

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: It's a P50H401

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Aval0n:

root@htpc:/home/mythtv/myththemes-0.20.2# ./configure

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Aval0n:

Project ERROR: Please run ./configure

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Aval0n:

root@htpc:/home/mythtv/myththemes-0.20.2#

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Aval0n:

0_o

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: Yes – tried several

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thsnckisoriginal:

ModeLine "720p" 74.25 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 -hsync -vsync

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thsnckisoriginal:

# ModeLine "1080i" 74.25 1920 2008 2052 2200 540 542 547 562 +hsync +vsync Interlace

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thsnckisoriginal:

ModeLine "1080i" 74.25 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1096 1124 +hsync +vsync Interlace

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Yahooadam:

standard 1080i/p = 1920x1080

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Yahooadam:

so it really should support it

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: Each one looked different and had various amounts of the right side of the screen cut off – panel puts the bars on left and right of the screen and the left part of the image begins at the end of the left-side bar

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Gurft:

Aval0n

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Aval0n:

?

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Gurft:

have you done make install on mythtv yet?

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Aval0n:

yes

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Gurft:

there might be a file that's .mak in the myththemes directory

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Gurft:

remove it

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Yahooadam:

have you tried a DVI->DVI cable ?

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Yahooadam:

or doesnt it have a dvi port ?

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B5Duster:

thsnckisoriginal: One of them matches the 1080i that I tried – I'll give the others a shot

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Aval0n:

gurft same difference

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Gurft:

what prefix did you compile mythtv with?

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: No dvi or vga port :) Just component in/hdmi

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Aval0n:

--prefix=/usr

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Gurft:

rm the .mak file

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Gurft:

then do ./configure --prefix=/usr

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Gurft:

you shoudl end up with mythconfig.mak as a symlink to /usr/include/mythtv/mythconfig.mak

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Gurft:

(maybe make sure that /usr/include/mythtv/mythconfig.mak exists...

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Aval0n:

nice

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Aval0n:

worked

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Yahooadam:

grrr

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Gurft:

Yea, beat my head against the wall on that one

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Aval0n:

thanks

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Yahooadam:

mostly all i can find is info about how hitachi have 1080 stuff

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Gurft:

probably should write a patch for configure and submit it...

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thsnckisoriginal:

heh, make clean and reconfigure

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: Yeah this is one of those lower cost 1080 wanna be sets

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B5Duster:

"HD1080" they call it

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Yahooadam:

wtf

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Yahooadam:

amazon say it doesnt support 1080p

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Yahooadam:

and ebay says it does

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B5Duster:

thsnckisoriginal: No go on any of those

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Yahooadam:

have you tried it at a 720p res ?

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: yes

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B5Duster:

'

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: It supports it – it just scales it

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: The info functions shows 1080i when I watch discovery hd theater

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Yahooadam:

but at 720p was it widescreen ?

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B5Duster:

I was thinking that perhaps the daughterboard only supports 4:3 resolutions

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Yahooadam:

oh ok

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B5Duster:

but others have gotten them to output 16:9 – there is a beta bios that I am fairly sure will not make a difference but who knows. You can only get it from logic supply whom I emailed about it. In the meantime I figured I'd examine the other possible causes

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Yahooadam:

i see what you mean :)

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Yahooadam:

hmmm

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Yahooadam:

where is this dvi daughter board ?

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Yahooadam:

can u try it with any other computer ?

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: Nope. The picture looked like it would be 16:9 if the bars were gone and the picture shifted to the left

[02:10:07]

Yahooadam:

yeah its just centering it ;)

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: It screws directly into the LVDS header on the epia mobo. I don't have another epia mini itx board with the same lvds header :/

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Yahooadam:

and probably making it 4:3

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Yahooadam:

yeah but dont you have another computer, a normal one :p

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Yahooadam:

perhaps the on your on now

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B5Duster:

hmm. I do. I would have to drag it in the living room. That's a good point – it would narrow down the hardware family at fault

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B5Duster:

This is a laptop with only vga/svid out

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Yahooadam:

ah :(

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thsnckisoriginal:

B5Duster: figured

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thsnckisoriginal:

I found somewhere on the web how to get the modelines from the monitor

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B5Duster:

bigass gaming pc in office – too lazy to mobilize it right now but I shall give that a shot

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thsnckisoriginal:

at least the informatino to build them

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thsnckisoriginal:

at any rate, there are flags to X you can use that get the info from the screen

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thsnckisoriginal:

perhaps that'll help

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B5Duster:

thsnckisoriginal: Yes tried that

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thsnckisoriginal:

tried?

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thsnckisoriginal:

there's got to be info somewhere

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B5Duster:

thsnckisoriginal: Yep – built modelines from the supported modes and still same 4:3 scaling

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Yahooadam:

he said he got the resos from the screen and tried them

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Yahooadam:

with no luck

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thsnckisoriginal:

that setup can't be so rare

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B5Duster:

this specific setup seems to be

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thsnckisoriginal:

oh sorry, missed that

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thsnckisoriginal:

:-\

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thsnckisoriginal:

doesn't it suck

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B5Duster:

I scoured man – I'm diligent when I hit walls like this

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B5Duster:

especially irrational silly-ass walls

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Yahooadam:

i think your best bet, get that pc down

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Yahooadam:

see if that works

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Yahooadam:

then we know where the problem is ;)

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B5Duster:

aye

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Yahooadam:

why do people build computers with the OS and data on the same HDD

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Yahooadam:

i wish they did cheap 40gb discs or somthing still

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thsnckisoriginal:

because it's cheap

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thsnckisoriginal:

and easy

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** B5Duster musters the energy to extract himself from the couch and tote boxen around the house. **

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** Yahooadam musters the energy to sleep **

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Yahooadam:

i might be able to pursuade my parents to use my mythbackend

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Yahooadam:

this could be funny

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Yahooadam:

what specs do u need for 5 tuners ?

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Yahooadam:

:p

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Yahooadam:

Â£825 for a mini pc

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Yahooadam:

WTF !

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Yahooadam:

basic is even more !

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

man you seriously pay for mini dont u :p

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thsnckisoriginal:

eh

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thsnckisoriginal:

sure

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Yahooadam:

i just want a box that looks a bit like a fat dvd player

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Yahooadam:

prolly a mini ATX box with a small PSU

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Yahooadam:

right im gonna have a game or 2 of zombie master

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Yahooadam:

back in like 30 mins :)

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B5Duster:

I have a settop look alike. I spent probably twice as much as normal form-factor parts and sacrificed some performance to boot

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B5Duster:

but it sure looks schweet

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bowlarium:

anyone see this error about not being able to create a symlink to the mythvideo artwork directory? http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /183021.html

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bowlarium:

i'm having the same problem..

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Yahooadam:

well if i have my file server become my tv tuner too

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Yahooadam:

then i can get a thin client under the TV

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Yahooadam:

b4 i was limited to a PCI cards length basically

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Yahooadam:

but it must have DVI

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Yahooadam:

and if its linux cant be ATI either :p

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Yahooadam:

well i dunno, gotta wait for my IR blaster from the US b4 i can do anything

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B5Duster:

mine burnt out or broke or something after a year

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B5Duster:

I'm trying to go the firewire route now that I have an hd box

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Yahooadam:

?

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Yahooadam:

firewire for what ?

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Gurft:

I have this DirecTV DVR with a USB port on it, but no firewire :(

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Gurft:

I'd have to use a IR blaster to change channels :-/

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Yahooadam:

oh right

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Yahooadam:

ure box has a firewire port on it ?

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Gurft:

no, it has USB only.

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Yahooadam:

no the STB

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Gurft:

Yea, it's USB.

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Gurft:

I know, it's F*$ked up

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Yahooadam:

u mean firewire ?

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Gurft:

nope, USB

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Yahooadam:

so whats the problem :s

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Yahooadam:

your STB has usb and the pC has usb

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Gurft:

When I hook them up

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Gurft:

it FREAKS OUT

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Gurft:

the STB just reboots itself repeatedly.

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Yahooadam:

prolly not standard USB commands or somthing

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Gurft:

jumps o0ut of the cabinet, calls me a whore, then goes down to the bar to sulk.

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Yahooadam:

just to piss u off ;)

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Yahooadam:

so why do u need firewire ?

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B5Duster:

Gurft: Those are usually useless except for hooking a usb keyboard up to

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Inssomniak:

Im trying to get my remote working for mythtv, but the only key that works is "OK", lirc's "irw" shows that all keys work?

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: You can send channel change commands and receive mpeg streams

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Yahooadam:

get a USB -> Serial

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Yahooadam:

get a serial -> ir blaster

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: which is quite nice for HD

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Yahooadam:

oh so ure STB has firewire b5d ?

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Gurft:

Insoomniak, do you ahve all the keys defined properly in the lircrc file?

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Gurft:

and no typos after the OK button ;)

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Inssomniak:

Gurft, actually I dont have an lircrc

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Yahooadam:

what remote is it ?

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Inssomniak:

hauppauge grey 2.3 remote

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B5Duster:

Yahooadam: Yes. It's a scientific atlanta 3000HD or something

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B5Duster:

er 8300hdc

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bowlarium:

Inssomniak, it's usually at /home/mythtv/.lircrc

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Inssomniak:

bowlarium, yea its not there

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bowlarium:

it's a hidden file – you did ls -a?

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Inssomniak:

yea

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Yahooadam:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR-350_Remote_Quick_Guide

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Yahooadam:

that remote ?

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B5Duster:

I think that can hide elsewhere as well

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bowlarium:

is "mythtv" the user running the frontend?

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Yahooadam:

its in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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Yahooadam:

apparently

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Toxicity999:

would anyone thing a podcast plugin would be cool? Is there already one? I was thinking about trying to write one sometime to get acquainted with the plugin system.

[02:45:16]

Toxicity999:

*think

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Toxicity999:

As in automatically fetching standard podcasts through feeds and adding them to your audio directory for the music bit.

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B5Duster:

yep – that's where it is in Ubuntu

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jams:

Toxicity999- many have mentioned it, but i have yet to see one

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Toxicity999:

Doesn't seem like it'd be too hard. i'm no pro at all but I might try.

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Yahooadam:

inssomniak – if that is your remote

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Yahooadam:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt

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Toxicity999:

I guess that will be implemented around the same time we can search and play from youtube/gvid/veoh =P

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Yahooadam:

dunno what OS your using, but ubuntu – sudo updatedb, locate llirc

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Gurft:

hrmmm, i'm intreagued with the use of USB->Serial adapter and changing channels on my H20

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Gurft:

anyone else doing that with a DirecTV H20?

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Yahooadam:

assuming that USB -> serial works in linux ...

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Gurft:

no, apaprently the usb->serial is for the STB end

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Yahooadam:

http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-232.html

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Yahooadam:

you can get serial recievers too

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Yahooadam:

whichever u need ;)

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Yahooadam:

oh

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Yahooadam:

are u talking direct USB -> serial -> STB ?

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Gurft:

no

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Yahooadam:

cos u can do USB -> serial -> IR Blaster/reciever -> STB/Remote

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Gurft:

nonono, too much stuff flying through the air

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Gurft:

MythTV Serial -> Null modem -> Serial/USB adapter -> USB port on STB

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Gurft:

I hate putting more data into the air if I dont' have to

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Yahooadam:

ah

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Yahooadam:

i doubt that will help

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Gurft:

I'm 2 signals away from wearing a foil hat in my house

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Yahooadam:

have you looked for a driver for your STB

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Gurft:

apparently it's supported

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Gurft:

accorrding to the Wiki

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Yahooadam:

ah

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Gurft:

yea, never even though to look <doh!>

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Gurft:

time to get another PVR-150

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Gurft:

I wonder if the box will do HDMI and Svideo output...... time to play

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Gurft:

at the same time...

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Yahooadam:

so your problems sorted ? :S

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Gurft:

Yea, I jus thave to order a bunch of stuff online, wait for it to show up, then get free time to implement....

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Yahooadam:

cant even find STB / set top box on mythtv wiki

[02:55:10]

Yahooadam:

can i see the page :p

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Gurft:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controlling_ . . . atellite_STB

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Gurft:

is what I found

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Gurft:

but I have a H20

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Yahooadam:

fair enough :D

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Yahooadam:

cya b5d ... :o

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Yahooadam:

so wait a second

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Yahooadam:

u would need 2x USB->serial

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Yahooadam:

and 2 serial cables

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Gurft:

why?

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Gurft:

I have serial on the back of my mythbox, (already using one to control my D10)

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Yahooadam:

ahhh

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Yahooadam:

thought u said u only had USb

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Yahooadam:

i give up, im tierd and confused :p

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Yahooadam:

plus it is 4am

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Toxicity999:

this is fun to watch, lol.

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Gurft:

Yahooadm, you in the UK?

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Yahooadam:

yep

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Gurft:

I just got off the phone with my boys in Warwick at the datacenter.

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Gurft:

:)

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Gurft:

told them it was too late to be working and go home, you hsoudl get some sleep too ;)

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Yahooadam:

what is wrong with the mythtv wiki <_<

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Yahooadam:

cant find STB, set top box, or sky

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Yahooadam:

jeez

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Yahooadam:

omg

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Yahooadam:

i ordered an IR blaster

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Yahooadam:

but the sky box has a serial port

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Yahooadam:

<_<

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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Gurft:

I think my wife would love it if I added a second tuner.....

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Inssomniak:

2007-08–27 23:08:01.281 EITCache: Loaded 67 entries for channel 2228

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Gurft:

I just looked, I have 3 shows of mine that record

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Gurft:

the rest is hers

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Inssomniak:

what is this for and why does it do it so much? it bogs down the whole system

[03:08:18]

Gurft:

F1 racin, Modern marvels, and Futurama....

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

im running MCE atm

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Yahooadam:

but i want analogue and sky

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Yahooadam:

possibly freeview

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Yahooadam:

(if we can get it)

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Yahooadam:

right time to sleep

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Yahooadam:

gnite yall

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Yahooadam:

enjoy your tv ;)

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a1fa:

hi

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a1fa:

hello

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thsnckisoriginal:

ello

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a1fa:

whats happening

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thsnckisoriginal:

well, I'd say not a whole lot

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a1fa:

heeh

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a1fa:

something has happened and it filled out my var partition

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a1fa:

everything froze up

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a1fa:

i missed a few shows

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Tanthrix:

That happened to me the other day on my little webserver / router system

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Tanthrix:

Was running this bandwidth monitoring app that was generating huge kernel messages every few seconds, and my log rotation couldn't keep up

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Tanthrix:

Finally noticed when dhcpd died and some of my system's leases expired ;)

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a1fa:

i missed my favorite show

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a1fa:

lucky there is a re-run

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iamlindoro:

Ho-lee-crap. Just clued in to the flash streaming in SVN. *Love it*.

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a1fa:

welcome to the 21st century

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iamlindoro:

Ummm...ok. As though flash streaming had been in Myth forever?

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a1fa:

in svn it has

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iamlindoro:

Try four months, dude

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iamlindoro:

so sorry I don't update often enough for you, but thanks for making my making a compliment into an oportunity to be a tool

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a1fa:

i didnt say anything negative

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iamlindoro:

No, you just acted like a know it all tool with facetious crap like "Welcome to the 21st Century." Exactly what type of reaction is it designed to elicit?

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a1fa:

lol

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a1fa:

take a chill pill

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a1fa:

and go lay down

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iamlindoro:

Alright buddy, whatever you say

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a1fa:

good

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a1fa:

lay down

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a1fa:

i hate dogs that bark

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iamlindoro:

Already there. Tool.

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Inssomniak:

anyone might know why recordings appear twice all the time in the recordings list?

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d3ity:

whats up guys... getting my compile on... anything new since 6 months ago?

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Tanthrix:

Inssomniak: Do they both work, or is one an empty file and the other work?

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GreyFoxx:

d3ity: If you are in NA I hope you know about the zap2it news

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Inssomniak:

Tanthrix, one is empty

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, uh oh....

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Tanthrix:

Inssomniak: Never seen that issue before, but I'd go into mythtv-setup and make sure you don't have any tuners / lineups / etc.. added twice.

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, what happened?

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GreyFoxx:

d3ity: Zap2it is shutting down the free labs service on Sept 1st

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Tanthrix:

Inssomniak: Might be that one tuner is trying to record the same thing twice at the same time, of course failing on one.

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, are there any alternatives?

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Inssomniak:

Tanthrix, I only have one tuner :( but Ill have a look

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GreyFoxx:

d3ity: You can either find a screenscraper or join up with www.schedulesdirect.org

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, are there any free options anymore?

[03:51:56]

GreyFoxx:

a bunch of mythtv devs gbpvr, xmltv etc all got together to put together a service to buy the data

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Tanthrix:

Inssomniak: Still, it doesn't make sense that it would record the same thing twice, so I'm not sure

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GreyFoxx:

d3ity: Only screenscraper type stuff which I don't wish on anyone

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, argh... what are we to do...

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GreyFoxx:

d3ity: most of us are (or have) signing up to schedulesdirect

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GreyFoxx:

Iv'e been using it for a week and a half now

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d3ity:

how much is it?

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ARfdee:

this SUCKS

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ARfdee:

im now having to reboot just to get livetv working

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ARfdee:

2007-08–27 22:53:06.679 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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ARfdee:

2007-08–27 22:53:06.680 DPMS Reactivated.

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ARfdee:

Segmentation fault

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ARfdee:

2007-08–27 22:53:05.424 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec

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Hoochster:

SD rocks! :)

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GreyFoxx:

d3ity: $15 for the first 3 months, but it's a not for profit and the price will go down the more people sign up hopefully to $20 a year

[03:53:55]

d3ity:

ARfdee, segfault... ouch

[03:54:06]

ARfdee:

d3ity: i get a segfault everytime i close mythtv or mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

d3ity: SD is not out to make money just cover costs

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d3ity:

GreyFoxx, thats all well and good... but I really didn't mind taking a survey or two in order to cover costs...

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GreyFoxx:

d3ity: hehe well, that's no longer an option :)

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d3ity:

heh, i guess not

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d3ity:

my cable company puts it's listings online, perrhaps theres a way to grab all that into a nice tidy file for myth

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d3ity:

i reckon that would take some coding....

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Hoochster:

d3ity so you just expect these guys to pay for the bandwidth and equipment to give you your guide data?

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d3ity:

Hoochster, not at all... it's just free was awesome.

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Toxicity999:

d3ity that's what screenscraping is

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Toxicity999:

and it rapes the servers.

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Hoochster:

always is, but that was a national company that did get money i am sure in other ventures and advertising, since they are dropping out it was the nice developers of myth that got together and provided an option for us, but unfortunately they aren't millionaires that can just do it for free heh

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d3ity:

Toxicity999, heh, I don't mind raping my cable company, they rape me every month anyway.

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ARfdee:

d3ity: please help

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Toxicity999:

lol

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ARfdee:

http://pastebin.ca/673093

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** W6SN grumbles at emerge failing to build everything for the new myth **

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W6SN:

verdammt.

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ARfdee:

this is the error on livetv through mythfrontend

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d3ity:

ARfdee, segfaults are usually SERIOUS compiler issues.

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ARfdee:

it goes away after i boot

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d3ity:

ARfdee, or SERIOUS code issues... are you using any experimental hardware/software?

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Toxicity999:

It's just a matter of parsing the site for info, but it's ugly, slow and often inaccurate.

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ARfdee:

d3ity: not sure the segfault is related, i am using mythfrontend and you can see there

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d3ity:

Toxicity999, aye.

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ARfdee:

no segfault

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d3ity:

so it's the backend that's causing the problem?

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ARfdee:

i have no idea???

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ARfdee:

did you see the pastebin?

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ARfdee:

ive just been having a slew of problems with myth

[04:00:29]

ARfdee:

recordings tend to be OK

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ARfdee:

but playback is often problematic and choppy

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ARfdee:

i didn't used to have these problems

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ARfdee:

i was gone for 2 months and yum updated on return

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d3ity:

ARfdee, I'm not really the person to be asking, i simply use myth and it works... I accept the fact that it works on my hardware and enjoy using it... I'm not really the one to troubleshoot issues as I don't usually have them.

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d3ity:

which basically makes me the leech of the linux community as far as mythtv goes...

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Aval0n:

hey guys how can I make a backup of my mythconverg db since .20.2 screwed everything up for me :P

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ARfdee:

GreyFoxx: please help

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iamlindoro:

A little late to back up your db if you've already upgraded

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iamlindoro:

'cause if you've run mythbackend, it's upgraded your schema to .20.2

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tcpsyn:

ARfdee just use mysqldump

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Aval0n:

it's broken

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Aval0n:

heh

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tcpsyn:

what exactly did it screw up

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iamlindoro:

What I'm saying is, if you installed .20.2 and run mythbackend, then your database will now only work with .20.2 or newer

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Aval0n:

my .xsession error log has so many errors it could gag a maggot

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a1fa:

lol

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Aval0n:

i have myth actually loading and asking for settings

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Aval0n:

but then it bombed because it didn't have the theme I used to run

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Aval0n:

so I installed the new version plugins and themes and it's bombinb again

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tcpsyn:

bombing isn't quite specific enough

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tcpsyn:

sounds like a pretty minor issue

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iamlindoro:

agreed, run mythfront with -v all and put the output in a pastebin

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iamlindoro:

er mythfrontend

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Aval0n:

sec

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tcpsyn:

weird. the channel editor wont delete channels

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tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

Gotta do it with sql

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Aval0n:

heh ubuntu mythtv frontend is cool

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Aval0n:

but it autoloads myth and I can't get to a prompt to run anything unless I ctrl alt backspace

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Aval0n:

and login as me

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Aval0n_:

aaaack

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Aval0n_:

http://pastebin.org/1273

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Aval0n_:

there you go iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

you compiled from source?

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iamlindoro:

did you specify proper prefix?

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Aval0n_:

--prefix=/usr

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Aval0n_:

for mythtv source, themes, and plugings

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Aval0n_:

ubuntu fiesty

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iamlindoro:

hmmm, did you remove your packages first, or just install over it?

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tcpsyn:

you sure it's not in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes

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tcpsyn:

?

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Aval0n_:

installed over it

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tcpsyn:

thats the default.

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Aval0n_:

i left it default

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Aval0n_:

and it got lib errors

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I have a bad feeling the compiled prefix was wrong

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Aval0n_:

ldconfig didnt' fixt it

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tcpsyn:

then you didn't put it --prefix=/usr

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Aval0n_:

yes I did

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tcpsyn:

since the default is /usr/local

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tcpsyn:

then you didn't leave it default

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Aval0n_:

no I didn't

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iamlindoro:

'cause this shows a runtime prefix of /usr/local which is not correct for ubuntu

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Aval0n_:

i did --prefix=/usr

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tcpsyn:

see if /usr/share/mythtv/themes exists

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iamlindoro:

not according to this you didn't

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Aval0n_:

i did it twice

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Aval0n_:

once without the prefix

[04:25:06]

Aval0n_:

so I did a make uninstall

[04:25:10]

Aval0n_:

then I did it a 2nd time with that

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tcpsyn:

all this time, you could be checking /usr/share/mythtv/themes :)

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Aval0n_:

no themes dir there

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a1fa:

lol

[04:25:45]

tcpsyn:

exactly.

[04:25:45]

iamlindoro:

Well according to your output, you installed it with prefix /usr/local and not /usr

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a1fa:

mytthfronted is crashing for me

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a1fa:

svn

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tcpsyn:

because your themes are at /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes

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Aval0n_:

i did specify --prefix=/usr with themes though

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tcpsyn:

check /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes

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tcpsyn:

see if that exists

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Aval0n_:

not anymore

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tcpsyn:

did ya check, or are you just saying that.

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Aval0n_:

i did make uninstall

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Aval0n_:

I'm sure they were there

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tcpsyn:

are you going to check?

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Aval0n_:

so is --prefix=/usr correct?

[04:27:00]

Aval0n_:

i did check

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n, you need to go back and recompile *All* portions of myth with proper prefix, which is /usr

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a1fa:

hahha

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Aval0n_:

I just told ya nothing there

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a1fa:

i hosed my db

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iamlindoro:

and then reinstall

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iamlindoro:

secondly, compile in this order: mythtv, then plugins, then themes

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Aval0n_:

mythtvthemes errored out during ./configure if I didnt specify --prefix=/usr

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Aval0n_:

ok thanks I will

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tcpsyn:

iamlindoro is right.

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tcpsyn:

aval0n, you're db is probably fine.

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Aval0n_:

cool

[04:29:00]

Aval0n_:

ty vm

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Aval0n_:

for your help

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iamlindoro:

np

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Aval0n_:

should I apt-get remove mythtv

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Aval0n_:

get rid of the ubuntu .20.0 package?

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tcpsyn:

most certainly

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iamlindoro:

source *will* install ok over the ubuntu packages, but cleanest would be to remove it

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iamlindoro:

back up your db first

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Aval0n_:

how do I backup the db?

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Aval0n_:

i'm a novice with mysql

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tcpsyn:

mysqldump -p mythconverg > mythconverge.dump

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Backup_your_database

[04:31:06]

tanq_:

quick question.. I have a ATI HDTV Wonder that I am trying to get working. I am now to the point where I can watch tv, but I get a couple of different errors depending on the flags I provide to mplayer.

[04:31:15]

iamlindoro:

That link will also help you restore the db if you need to

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Aval0n_:

thank you

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tanq_:

The end result is the same when viewing the picture. It gets out of synch and nearly locks up.

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a1fa:

2007-08–27 23:31:23.559 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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tanq_:

One of the errors (that I googled for) is TOo many video packets in the buffer... yadda yadda playing a non-interleaved stream/file yadda yadda

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tanq_:

the other is a52: CRC check failed. a52 error at resampling

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a1fa:

:)

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tanq_:

that is dependent on the use of the -framedrop option

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a1fa:

3980 Segmentation fault /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend

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tcpsyn:

alfa, you're having problems?

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a1fa:

yeah

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a1fa:

its segfaulting

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tcpsyn:

and you get that mythcontext error when running mythtv-setup, correct?

[04:34:49]

tcpsyn:

or is that the frontend too?

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Inssomniak:

im using nvidia TV out, and the actual TV looks amazing, but the fonts looks poor on the OSD/EPG, like real low resolution, any one have ideas?

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tcpsyn:

inssomniak, try forcing 100dpi

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tcpsyn:

in xorg.conf

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Aval0n_:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

[04:36:31]

Aval0n_:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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Aval0n_:

is that normal?

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Inssomniak:

how would one do that?

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iamlindoro:

Should be fine

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Aval0n_:

for ./configure --prefix=/usr with mythtv

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Aval0n_:

k

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tcpsyn:

aval0n_, I got that too, it's because of /etc/ld.so.conf

[04:37:19]

tcpsyn:

theres a line in there to include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf

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tcpsyn:

except theirs no *.conf files in that dir.

[04:37:40]

tcpsyn:

I just commented that line out of /etc/ld.so.conf

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tcpsyn:

and added /usr/local/lib, /usr/lib, /lib, and /usr/lib/qt3/lib

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Aval0n_:

root@htpc:/home/aval0n/mythtv-0.20.2# make

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Aval0n_:

make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.

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Aval0n_:

huh?

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tcpsyn:

inssomniak, Option "DPI" "100 x 100"

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Aval0n_:

lol

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tcpsyn:

add that to /etc/X11/xorg.conf in your screen section.

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iamlindoro:

Avalon, give me output of uname -r

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Aval0n_:

that's a fresh extract

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Aval0n_:

2.6.20-16-generic

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iamlindoro:

ok, real quick, do:

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iamlindoro:

sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`

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iamlindoro:

Then configure as:

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iamlindoro:

./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-proc-opt --dvb-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/ --enable-dvb

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tcpsyn:

Aval0n, make sure you qmake mythtv.pro

[04:40:18]

iamlindoro:

then qmake mythtv.pro

[04:40:20]

iamlindoro:

then make

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Aval0n_:

already at newst version

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iamlindoro:

ok, then move on with my instructions

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Aval0n_:

=)

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Aval0n_:

righty o then

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tcpsyn:

Check it out. I got a dvb card, and an ntsc card.

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Aval0n_:

ok now, qmake?

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iamlindoro:

qmake mythtv.ro

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Aval0n_:

nv

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iamlindoro:

er .pro

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Aval0n_:

I saw you typed it already

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tcpsyn:

So for example, I got abc and abc-hd

[04:42:17]

tcpsyn:

lets say I've got the office scheduled to record on abc-hd

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tcpsyn:

but, my dvb card is already busy doing something else...

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tcpsyn:

How can I schedule the ntsc card to record it on abc, but only when the dvb card is tied up?

[04:43:02]

tcpsyn:

That make sense?

[04:43:23]

tcpsyn:

I don't want to record it at any time on any channel...

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iamlindoro:

Increase the tuner priority of the dvb card, then set that show to record once a week on any channel?

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tcpsyn:

But I want it to record at any time on abc or abchd, with priority on abchd.

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tcpsyn:

iamlindoro, that would make sense, but if it records once a week on any channel, it could get messed up if another channel adds it to the lineup.

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iamlindoro:

True, but your DVB has priority

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tcpsyn:

we'll not use the office, say CSI.

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tcpsyn:

CSI is running on like 3 different channels.

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iamlindoro:

so it will default to that one

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Aval0n_:

man my image quality looked like crap until I used denoise3d=3

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Aval0n_:

that filter is magic I swear :)

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tcpsyn:

hrm.

[04:45:08]

iamlindoro:

And you can set to record new eps only

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tcpsyn:

yeah, I guess that's the way to go.

[04:45:35]

tcpsyn:

just seems kinda messy.

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Aval0n_:

iamlindoro when it's done I make install correct?

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iamlindoro:

As messy as wanting it to record across two tuners with one taking priority? ;)

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Aval0n_:

them move on to plugis then themes?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Aval0n_:

cool

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Aval0n_:

I wonder how this is going to react with ubuntu mythtvfrontend

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tcpsyn:

well, i wouldn't think it'd be messy. I want it only to record on ABC... but record it in HD if it can.

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iamlindoro:

In MythPlugins directory:

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iamlindoro:

./configure --prefix=/usr

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iamlindoro:

qmake mythplugins.pro

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iamlindoro:

make

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tcpsyn:

and thats a different channel. ABC-HD

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Aval0n_:

tcpsyn recording the same thing in HD as well as SD?

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iamlindoro:

I understand... same over here

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Aval0n_:

that's what I wanted to do since my bedroom can't do HD

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tcpsyn:

Aval0n, no, Recording in HD if it can, and if the HD tuner is busy, then still pick it up in ntsc.

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iamlindoro:

Although I just set the HD channel to record 'cause I just get like 10 ATSC channels anyway so chances of conflict are low

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Aval0n_:

tcpsyn ahh smart

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Aval0n_:

is house in HD?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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tcpsyn:

yes.

[04:47:57]

Aval0n_:

!!!

[04:47:58]

Aval0n_:

sweet

[04:48:01]

Aval0n_:

my fav show

[04:48:04]

Aval0n_:

I jsut got my QAM chans setup

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tcpsyn:

yeah, house rocks.

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Aval0n_:

looking crispy :)

[04:48:17]

tcpsyn:

the best thing in HD though....

[04:48:19]

tcpsyn:

PBS

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tcpsyn:

hands down.

[04:48:30]

tcpsyn:

the ocean and shit.

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Aval0n_:

next step after I get .20.2 working is to find out why play dvd breaks for me

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tcpsyn:

insane.

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Aval0n_:

screen goes black, dvd drive spins up and back to menu with no error

[04:48:53]

Aval0n_:

doesn't matter the dvd either

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iamlindoro:

Breaks... you keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means...

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Aval0n_:

odd

[04:49:02]

Aval0n_:

hahah

[04:49:05]

Aval0n_:

no it doesn't

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tcpsyn:

iamlindoro, princess bride obscure reference.

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Aval0n_:

and I don't mean it in the manner you're thinking

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iamlindoro:

not *so* obscure ;)

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iamlindoro:

avalon, the problem you're having with DVD player has a solution we can't talk about in the channel

[04:50:19]

iamlindoro:

probably, anyway

[04:50:25]

tcpsyn:

that's not true

[04:50:26]

iamlindoro:

anyone on my same wavelength?

[04:50:35]

tcpsyn:

we can talk about it

[04:50:40]

tcpsyn:

in the US anyway

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Aval0n_:

eh

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Aval0n_:

?

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iamlindoro:

Sheesh, we're back to the conversation from this afternoon

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Aval0n_:

why wouldn't we be able to talk about it?

[04:51:10]

Aval0n_:

they aren't pirated...

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Aval0n_:

retail dvd's

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iamlindoro:

'cause there's a question as to the legality of deCSS

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tcpsyn:

Aval0n, that's a philosophical issue.

[04:51:51]

tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

and a ridiculous one

[04:51:57]

Aval0n_:

=/

[04:52:20]

Aval0n_:

so it's added into myth as like a grey area

[04:52:27]

Aval0n_:

and you can make it work if you choose to

[04:52:29]

Aval0n_:

if you know how?

[04:52:30]

Aval0n_:

lol

[04:52:37]

Aval0n_:

<shrug>

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tcpsyn:

I'd assume for the same reason fedora doesn't play rpms by default.

[04:52:52]

tcpsyn:

er. mp3s rather

[04:52:56]

tcpsyn:

it's late.

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iamlindoro:

but if *I* were you I would google "ubuntu feisty manual" and open the first link

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tcpsyn:

/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh

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tcpsyn:

is what you're looking for.

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iamlindoro:

and the answer to your question is right there...

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Aval0n_:

thanks

[04:54:44]

iamlindoro:

in section 1.7.4.2 ;)

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Aval0n_:

haha

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Aval0n_:

thnx again

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Aval0n_:

mythtv sure takes a while to compile :)

[04:57:13]

tcpsyn:

that it does

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tcpsyn:

Feels good to have schedulesdirect set up

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iamlindoro:

*yeah* it does... big relief

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Aval0n_:

how hard is it to get that workin?

[04:58:05]

Aval0n_:

you have to manually tell sd which chan is which?

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tcpsyn:

no harder than it was before.

[04:58:13]

Aval0n_:

like tune them till you find abc?

[04:58:15]

iamlindoro:

Same as zap2it

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Aval0n_:

i've never set it up

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tcpsyn:

that's why theres a new release.

[04:58:31]

tcpsyn:

to add support for it

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Aval0n_:

i'm new to mythtv

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tcpsyn:

oh

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Aval0n_:

just as the changed was happening

[04:58:43]

Aval0n_:

change*

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tcpsyn:

ah.

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iamlindoro:

Avalon, you're using lirc to control a cable box, or just straight out of the wall?

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Aval0n_:

barely got it up and working before the change

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tcpsyn:

no, you scan the channels.

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Aval0n_:

straight coax

[04:59:02]

tcpsyn:

right.

[04:59:07]

tcpsyn:

I'm using straight coax.

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Aval0n_:

pvr500 and a kworld 115 atsc

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iamlindoro:

so you'll scan for channels, set up a lineup on the schedulesdirect web site that corresponds to where you live, attach one to the other in mythtv-setup, and you're done.

[04:59:37]

tcpsyn:

I had to manually input the xmltvid for the digital channels.

[04:59:39]

Aval0n_:

so you do a scan, and it knows which chans to asign to?

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tcpsyn:

but like you already said, theres only like 10 of those.

[04:59:54]

iamlindoro:

You do a scan, and have, let's say, 2–82

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tcpsyn:

Aval0n_, more or less.

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Aval0n_:

nice

[05:00:03]

iamlindoro:

then you tell it which SD lineup you have

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iamlindoro:

and it matches, for example channel 2 to fox

[05:00:14]

Aval0n_:

it's crazy I thought MTV was MTV

[05:00:20]

Aval0n_:

but I have satelite right now

[05:00:26]

Aval0n_:

it was different on cox than it was on dish network

[05:00:32]

Aval0n_:

different shows

[05:00:38]

Aval0n_:

and no one wasn't mtv2

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Aval0n_:

both mtv

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Aval0n_:

I wonder how often that happens

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Aval0n_:

can I get to mythtv-setup through the frontend?

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tcpsyn:

you don't.

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iamlindoro:

No

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Aval0n_:

k

[05:02:08]

Aval0n_:

so I guess i'll login as my other user

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tcpsyn:

You can vnc over to your backend, and run it from there.

[05:02:18]

iamlindoro:

right

[05:02:22]

Aval0n_:

with the ubuntu frontend it logs in auto as mythtv and when you exit myth it logs out

[05:02:42]

Aval0n_:

i never id get vnc working

[05:02:47]

Aval0n_:

always got a black screen when I connected

[05:02:57]

Aval0n_:

using vnc viewer

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iamlindoro:

On Ubuntu all you have to do is check the "Remote Desktop" service (in Feisty, anyway)

[05:03:28]

Aval0n_:

aye, I did

[05:03:35]

iamlindoro:

'course I'm running edgy which is only slightly more complex

[05:03:44]

iamlindoro:

anyway, have you made install yet?

[05:03:48]

Aval0n_:

no

[05:03:51]

Aval0n_:

stil compiling

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iamlindoro:

mmmkay

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tcpsyn:

I'm going to look at houses tomorrow.

[05:04:36]

tcpsyn:

scary.

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iamlindoro:

Hahaha, tcp, I know the feeling, just bought my first a few months ago

[05:04:49]

tcpsyn:

But I'll X10 the hell out of it.

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Aval0n_:

aack

[05:04:59]

Aval0n_:

I ripped out my x10

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iamlindoro:

it's a *great* feeling, though, getting to run wires in walls and getting it just so

[05:05:05]

tcpsyn:

x10 rocks.

[05:05:10]

Aval0n_:

on and off all the time by itself

[05:05:21]

Aval0n_:

due to rf inteferene

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tcpsyn:

that's no good.

[05:05:29]

Aval0n_:

yeah

[05:05:30]

Aval0n_:

for sure

[05:05:40]

tcpsyn:

I just use cron to take care of everything.

[05:06:00]

tcpsyn:

And I wrote a little php frontend, so I can control it from my cellphone.

[05:06:12]

Aval0n_:

very nice

[05:06:16]

tcpsyn:

linuxmce looks like it rocks with x10

[05:06:25]

Aval0n_:

brb bathroom

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iamlindoro:

oy, how many times do I have to say it, every time someone says linuxMCE, god kills a kitten

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tcpsyn:

it looks cool.

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iamlindoro:

It's like the GUI was designed by helen keller

[05:07:24]

tcpsyn:

hah.

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tcpsyn:

I haven't tried it yet.

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tcpsyn:

But the demos look slick as hell

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** iamlindoro shudders. **

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iamlindoro:

Juski is rolling over in his grave. And he's not even dead.

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tcpsyn:

If it's got UI deficencies, juski would be the man to fix them.

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Aval0n_:

hahahahaha

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iamlindoro:

Sorry doctor, that patient is *terminal*. hahah

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Aval0n_:

linuxmce is ugly isn't it?

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Aval0n_:

"it's all about the media"

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tcpsyn:

the x10 integration though looks cool as hell.

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Aval0n_:

still compiling geez

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tcpsyn:

whats the dudes name from american beauty?

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tcpsyn:

and kpax

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tcpsyn:

the usual suspects

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iamlindoro:

Kevin Spacey

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tcpsyn:

yea

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tcpsyn:

thanks

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

I'm runinng mythtv from svn trunk

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tcpsyn:

hi

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floppyears:

if I do an svn up will I get the updated code that works with sd listings ?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Aval0n_:

iamlindoro can I go setup what I need to in schedules direct while this is compiling?

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iamlindoro:

the web site portion, yes

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tcpsyn:

hot girls are so much hotter in HD

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Aval0n_:

cool

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Aval0n_:

got my lineup done

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iamlindoro:

Just got my wireless network to 802.11n across the whole place... Mmmmm, 270 Mb of goodness... never have to worry about streaming my Myth stuff again :)

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Aval0n_:

very nice

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Aval0n_:

wireless G is good enough for HD right?

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tcpsyn:

eh.

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Aval0n_:

it's done compiling! woot!

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iamlindoro:

Wireless g isn't even good enough for standard def

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Aval0n_:

0_o

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Aval0n_:

how does that wireless mediamvp do sd?

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iamlindoro:

Well, it can be at very low bitrate, but at my bitrates it's not good enough for SD

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Aval0n_:

crappily?

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tcpsyn:

it'll work, but I wouldn't recommend it.

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Aval0n_:

ok make install done

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iamlindoro:

So make install, then do plugins and themes, that shouldn't take long

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adante:

hm, g works for my SDTV (not sure what bitrate it is, aus tv)

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tcpsyn:

I'm on 1000mb

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tcpsyn:

just because.

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tcpsyn:

lots of stuff is using the bandwidth.

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tank-man:

what bitrate didnt work for you iamlindoro ?

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tank-man:

i run mythfrontend on my laptop all the time

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Aval0n_:

ok make install done

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Aval0n_:

moving onto plugins

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iamlindoro:

I set my SD from 9000–11000 kb

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tcpsyn:

damn

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Aval0n_:

holy crap

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Aval0n_:

I heard past 8000 was overkill

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tcpsyn:

I'm at 6000–8000

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iamlindoro:

Can't stand artifacting

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Aval0n_:

i'm att 4000–6500

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Aval0n_:

looks good enough for me

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iamlindoro:

It shows in 106" projections

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Aval0n_:

lol!!!!

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Aval0n_:

nice

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tcpsyn:

looks like crap to me tbh

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tcpsyn:

but thats because it doesn't auto tune the channels well.

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Inssomniak:

oh I give up on this font thing it just doesnt work, TV out fonts look terrible

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tcpsyn:

and i really don't feel like fine tuning every one of them

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tcpsyn:

inssomniak even after you set it to 100dpi?

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Inssomniak:

tcpsyn, didnt make any difference

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Aval0n_:

iamlindoro, just the prefix option for the last two?

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Aval0n_:

plugins and themes

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iamlindoro:

should be

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iamlindoro:

when you run the configure for plugins, it will tell you what will be built... make sure it is all set to build

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Inssomniak:

tcpsyn, no setting ever makes any difference :(

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Aval0n_:

it is

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tcpsyn:

inssominssomniak, hrm. Hold up a sec

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Aval0n_:

then qmake mythplugins.pro?

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Aval0n_:

make | make install

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iamlindoro:

qmake, make, make install, affirm

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Aval0n_:

cool

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TUplink1:

how do i use picture in picture?

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tcpsyn:

inssomniak, did you try something like: /home/luke/Music/Luke MacNeil/Heres one for Sanity/All of the Time.mp3

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tcpsyn:

damnit

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Inssomniak:

heh

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tcpsyn:

DisplaySize 340 270

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Inssomniak:

yup

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tcpsyn:

in your monitor section?

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tcpsyn:

what theme?

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Inssomniak:

uhm

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TUplink1:

did they ever fix mythweather?

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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Inssomniak:

tcpsyn, lutius

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TUplink1:

ok... sience like 1 month ago

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TUplink1:

cause it would never work with the scripts

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tcpsyn:

lots of people suggest trying the freesans font

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tcpsyn:

but I remember reading about people having trouble with osd fonts before

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tcpsyn:

and It was almsot always a dpi issue

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tcpsyn:

can you confirm you're at 100dpi in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?

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Inssomniak:

(**) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (100, 100); computed from "DPI" X config option

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tcpsyn:

guess so

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Inssomniak:

should I have any font lines in xorg.conf?

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Aval0n_:

i do 96 x 96

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Aval0n_:

just looks better to me for some reason

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Inssomniak:

regular VGA is perfect, its just using TV out that sucks

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Inssomniak:

and only for the fonts

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tcpsyn:

very strange

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Inssomniak:

anyone have an xorg.conf that they are using for nvidia tv out?

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Inssomniak:

I can look at?

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Aval0n_:

i use hdmi or i'de show you mine sorry

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floppyears:

thank iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

hrm? :)

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tcpsyn:

yea

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tcpsyn:

I might have an old one

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Aval0n_:

make[1]: *** [sub-mythphone] Error 141

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Aval0n_:

make: *** [sub-mythphone] Error 141

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Aval0n_:

root@htpc:/home/mythtv/mythplugins-0.20.2#

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Aval0n_:

nothing to be concerned about?

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iamlindoro:

that's a concern

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tcpsyn:

http://www.lukemacneil.com/articles/xorg.conf . . . v-out-2.html

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iamlindoro:

I assume you don't need mythphone?

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tcpsyn:

aval0n, ./configure --enable-all --disable-mythphone

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iamlindoro:

if so, ./configure --prefix=/usr --disable-mythphone

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Aval0n_:

no

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tcpsyn:

floppyears, I used that one for a long time

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tcpsyn:

anyone know of a way to auto-tune cable stations... fine tune I mean, Some of them come up in black and white with no sound

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Aval0n_:

then make again?

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tcpsyn:

I'd like to find a script or something that tunes them nice

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iamlindoro:

yes

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Aval0n_:

ok

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Aval0n_:

ok everything is done

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Aval0n_:

eek

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Aval0n_:

time to test

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iamlindoro:

ok make install

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Aval0n_:

i did

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Aval0n_:

and then I did themes

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iamlindoro:

have you compiled and installed myth themes?

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iamlindoro:

ok

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Aval0n_:

yes

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iamlindoro:

then go ahead

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Aval0n_:

holy crap

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Aval0n_:

success

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** Aval0n_ hugs iamlindoro **

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

we aim to please

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** Aval0n_ does a happy dance **

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tcpsyn:

heh

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Aval0n_:

no

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tcpsyn:

always a good thing

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Aval0n_:

you do

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Aval0n_:

most dev/ops aim to flame

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Aval0n_:

:)

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tcpsyn:

flamings fun too

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iamlindoro:

Oh sometimes I do that too

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Aval0n_:

if I had a nickel for everytime someone said google to me

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Aval0n_:

lol

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Aval0n_:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

mostly for the non-readers

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Aval0n_:

so where do I go to link with sd now?

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Aval0n_:

I read as much as I can

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iamlindoro:

mythtv-setup

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Aval0n_:

but I get stuck sometimes

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iamlindoro:

Go down the list from 1–6 setting up each item

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iamlindoro:

and kill your backend first

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iamlindoro:

But now, to sleep...

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iamlindoro:

night all

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm loving mythtv .20.2! It now acts as a uPnP server that my PS3 can use and it can play my mythtv recordings now. I was so happy to find that out.

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ARfdee:

where do i change mixer settings?

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ARfdee:

it seems if it uses alsa, there are more problems

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ARfdee:

oh n.m

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adante:

oh heh didn't know 20.2 was out

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Dagmar:

Yeah, the f**kers released it as I was getting in the car to go to Atlanta for the weekend

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adante:

those bastards

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Dagmar:

Exactly

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tcpsyn:

joeyjoejo, are you playing hd recordings?

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Aval0n_:

what is the command to fill the db?

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Aval0n_:

mythfilldb?

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tcpsyn:

mythfilldatabase

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Aval0n_:

ok thanks

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tcpsyn:

i've been trying to justify a ps3 for a while now

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tcpsyn:

if it played back hd reliably, there wouldn't be a question, I'll have it tomorrow

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tcpsyn:

heh

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JoeyJoeJo:

is there an easy way to automatically cut the commercials out of a recording when it's finished, rather than just skip them?

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tcpsyn:

It's not very safe

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tcpsyn:

but you can transcode them out.

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tcpsyn:

Is your ps3 playing hd from myth?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I don't have an hd capture card.. :(

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tcpsyn:

howed you get myth running on it?

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JoeyJoeJo:

it's not running on the ps3.. it's just connecting to my backend using uPnP and the ps3 can see everything from mythmusic, mythvideo and my recordings

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tcpsyn:

by filename, or by title?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I didn't give it any thought before, but it's by title. How cool

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tcpsyn:

That is insanely cool.

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tcpsyn:

I want one.

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tcpsyn:

Right now.

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JoeyJoeJo:

apparently it only plays mpg files for now

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JoeyJoeJo:

hd content only gets video and no sound

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tcpsyn:

damn

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JoeyJoeJo:

it works for me because I only have a pvr-500 which records to mpg

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tcpsyn:

yeah.

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tcpsyn:

I do to. But all the stuff that I actually watch, I catch with an hd tuner

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JoeyJoeJo:

the other bad thing is that my non mpg files in mythvideo aren't supported by the ps3..

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tcpsyn:

Hrm. .iso?

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tcpsyn:

all my mythvideo stuff is iso

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JoeyJoeJo:

I don't know, I don't think I have one to try

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JoeyJoeJo:

I would assume it would work if there were mpg files in the iso, but I could be wrong

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tcpsyn:

well, that's very promising news anyway.

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JoeyJoeJo:

yeah, I can't wait for more updates

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tcpsyn:

cool. Alright, bedtime.

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JoeyJoeJo:

later

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ARfdee:

AFD Error: Unknown decoding error

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ARfdee:

what does that mean?

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Dagmar:

No one knows.

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ARfdee:

AFD is audio?

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nitronic`:

ARfdee, you touch yourself at night.

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ARfdee:

nitronic`: nice contribution

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ARfdee:

of course, you're from socal

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nitronic`:

the UNIVERSITY OF

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ARfdee:

AFD Error: Unknown decoding error – dagmar, i cant find out what that is?

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Dagmar:

Why is this my problem?

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Dagmar:

Google it.

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Dagmar:

That's all I'd be doing.

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Aval0n_:

hmm i got my sd lineup set and configged in mythtv-setup but I can't see any data past 12:00am

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Tanthrix:

I should probably get around to setting that up...

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xris:

Aval0n_: rerun mythfilldatabase?

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cesman:

hey xris

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TUplink1:

im having a prob with mythweather..... whan i go to screen settings it always freezes at 88%

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Aval0n_:

xris

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Aval0n_:

yeah

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Aval0n_:

plenty of times

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TUplink1:

im having a prob with mythweather..... when i go to screen settings it always freezes at 88%

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xris:

Aval0n_: odd...

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Aval0n_:

sometimes it likes to connect to the backend others it doesn't

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Aval0n_:

I have to manually restart it

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xris:

TUplink1: what version?

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Aval0n_:

since it's ubuntu running mythtv ubuntu frontend

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TUplink1:

SVN tonight

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Aval0n_:

I have to login as aval0n

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Aval0n_:

not mythtv

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TUplink1:

actuly it has never worked

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Aval0n_:

su i end up having to su to mythv user

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Aval0n_:

annyoing

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TUplink1:

always the same prob

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TUplink1:

even after like 20 reinstalls

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Aval0n_:

when I used the ubuntu packages it used to auto shut down the backend on mythtv-setup, and auto run mythfilldatabase on exit of that

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Aval0n_:

<shrug>

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Aval0n_:

up till tomorrow at 12:00am

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goodtod:

i'm trying to figure out why my video is choppy with a pvr150 and it looks like like mythfrontend+xorg is using the whole cpu. is that normal?

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Aval0n_:

28th 12:00am everything after that says unknown

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xris:

TUplink1: have you checked to see that the mythweather fixes were ever committed?

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Aval0n_:

ahh well another issue for tomorrow I guess.

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Tanthrix:

goodtod: What are your specs?

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TUplink1:

what do you mean?

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ARfdee:

hi xris

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TUplink1:

i just removed the scripts dir... now it pased it.... i reinstaled plugins

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goodtod:

Tanthrix: 1.6ghz p4, 512mb ram, dedicated hard drive, running both back and frontend

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TUplink1:

is there a tutorial on how to set it up?

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Tanthrix:

goodtod: You shouldn't be maxing out for SD video – I ran the same setup on 1.1ghz system without any issues. What kind of video card?

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goodtod:

Tanthrix: i believe it's a radeon 7000 :)

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xris:

TUplink1: you might want the mythweather-revamp branch.... dunno how much of that has been rolled into trunk yet, but last I heard, mythweather was just broken

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juski:

how can anybody smile at the same time as utterring 'ATI' ? ;)

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Tanthrix:

goodtod: Well there's your problem! (Maybe – it does sound like it could be a video card issue – if you don't have proper acceleration setup or drivers etc.. it can cause those kinds of issues)

[06:51:50]

goodtod:

Tanthrix: is hardware acceleration pretty much required for this kind of thing?

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Tanthrix:

goodtod: I think so, though I'm really not sure just what acceleration does, what kinds there are, etc.. I just know that ATI sucks, and nvidia is absolute king when it comes to linux.

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Tanthrix:

(As far as just "acceleration" is concerned – I do know about XvMC and other things, but those aren't what we're talking about here)

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juski:

a lack of Xv acceleration, usually puts a spanner in the works

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juski:

or the 'wrong kind' of Xv

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Tanthrix:

goodtod: Try doing "mplayer /dev/video0" or whatever your PVR card is and see if you get the same issues

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goodtod:

hrmm, good idae

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TUplink1:

mythweather-revamp has been merged into trunk. For .20 branches the following will still work

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Tanthrix:

goodtod: Generally, anything ATI is not worth dealing with in linux – just get yourself a cheap nvidia card. Even brand new you can get a GF 7300GS that will do HD, etc.. for only $35

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xris:

can't believe people are still signing up and paying at midnight... heh

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Tanthrix:

xris: How many now?

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goodtod:

Tanthrix: hmm, looks like mplayer isnt choppy

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juski:

goodtod: could still indicate a driver problem

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Tanthrix:

goodtod: See how close it is though – it still might not be right. mplayer is more effiecient than myth, so it could still be messed up, just mplayer is just under the threshold

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goodtod:

mplayer+xorg is using 60% cpu

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Tanthrix:

I don't recall exactly, but that sounds a little bit high for a 1.6ghz machine.

[07:03:11]

juski:

for SDTV it sure is a lot

[07:03:36]

Tanthrix:

goodtod: Have you made sure DMA is enabled for your drives?

[07:03:42]

Tanthrix:

It's never that, but it's worth asking I suppose...

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juski:

ok. resisted for long enough now. dump the ATI card & all will be well

[07:04:17]

goodtod:

heh... ok, i will get a new card.

[07:04:29]

goodtod:

Tanthrix: yes, DMA is enabled

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juski:

even ATI have said on their website that they won't support mythtv or generic video playback problems in linux.

[07:04:45]

goodtod:

any nvidia card will do?

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juski:

in short – they can't be bothered ;)

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Tanthrix:

Any GF4 or later

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juski:

yeah. no need to buy a ricer 9900GT or whatever

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W6SN:

signing up?

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W6SN:

paying?

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W6SN:

oh god

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W6SN:

i never actually looked at SD

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goodtod:

juski: even a video card from...1998 or so?

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goodtod:

trying to pull one out of a box i have laying around...

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juski:

goodtod: as Tanthrix said, any GF4 or better card will do

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goodtod:

VGA compatible controller: NVidia / SGS Thomson (Joint Venture) Riva128 (rev 21)

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juski:

e.g. fx5200 or so

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juski:

actually even that card might be better than ATI's lot in linux

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juski:

*might*

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Tanthrix:

Well, even a GF2 will work actually, and maybe some older ones. They just don't do XvMC and some other things

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Tanthrix:

I was just going to say that, heh

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goodtod:

never thought ati was that bad...guess i just haven't really needed a good card

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goodtod:

good drivers*

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W6SN:

i can't believe i didn't even look at that

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Tanthrix:

goodtod: Looks like you might be supported http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-a.html

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Tanthrix:

Just make sure you grab the proper driver, as there are 3 now – you'll want the oldest legacy

[07:13:29]

Tanthrix:

That's a pretty damn old card though – I wouldn't be too hopeful, nor would I judge it to be a good method of ruling out whether or not your video card is to blame – it could very well do the exact same thing or worse.

[07:14:35]

goodtod:

probably not worth it to try that card...

[07:16:32]

goodtod:

Tanthrix and juski, thanks a lot. i appreciate it

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Tanthrix:

No prob.

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juski:

no problem goodtod – I just remembered why people generally recommend gf4+ though – the TV out quality of lesser cards can be way below par. GF4 cards like the fx5200 and upwards have very nice tv out, comparable to standalone DVD players

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goodtod:

nvidias drivers are proprietary, right?

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Tanthrix:

Oh boy, not another one!

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Tanthrix:

;)

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goodtod:

juski: i'll be sure to get a 5200 then

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Tanthrix:

I'm in love with the nvidia drivers because absolutely nothing can even approach there wonderful usability and support

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goodtod:

heh

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Tanthrix:

their, rather

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goodtod:

the free drivers don't work as well?

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Tanthrix:

Not even close.

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juski:

yes they're propriatary but when they just _work_ so well I don't think it'd be fair to criticise them much

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Tanthrix:

Missing a ton of features, including the brilliantly unparalleled nvidia-settings app

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goodtod:

no criticism, just would have used the free drivers if they were as good ;)

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Tanthrix:

Maybe someday

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Tanthrix:

goodtod: Just don't spend much money, and be aware that this may not solve your problem.

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Tanthrix:

A lot of mysterious things can cause these kinds of problems – and myth really is cranky sometimes about hardware setups

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goodtod:

yep. worth it to have a card with decent drivers lying around anyways...

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robbins876:

When I watch videos I get a lot of screen tearing...I dont' think I ahve vsync enabled. how do i check?

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t0ny-p40:

robbins876, what kind of screen?

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juski:

could be a refresh rate issue of course

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robbins876:

LCD

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robbins876:

samsung 204B

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robbins876:

running at 1600x1200

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Tanthrix:

robbins876: Set Xv sync in nvidia-settings

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robbins876:

what tab is that on?

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Tanthrix:

"X Server XVideo Settings"

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robbins876:

alright

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Tanthrix:

For your proper screen.

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robbins876:

i have them both selected

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Tanthrix:

And you're still getting tearing?

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robbins876:

no, i just set it a minute ago

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robbins876:

haven't tried yet, just wanted to make sure it was the right thing

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Tanthrix:

Oh. Gotcha.

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Tanthrix:

That should do the trick.

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robbins876:

do i need to restart X to get these settings to take effect?

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Tanthrix:

Don't think so, but it couldn't hurt.

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juski:

damn retards asking for help in forum PMs. argghhh

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robbins876:

alright, thanks man

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Tanthrix:

No prob.

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robbins876:

appears to have fixed it...that was easy

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robbins876:

i guess after awhile of being in linux, it's strange when things are an easy fix

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Tanthrix:

All thanks to nvidia.

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t0ny-p40:

Ok, I'm running 0.20.2 and trying to use mythweb from svn and I get this error Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=35, backend=31)

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juski:

well er.. duh!

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juski:

you can't mix versions like that

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t0ny-p40:

what version does snv mythweb expect?

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t0ny-p40:

or need

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juski:

mythtv of the same revision number checked out from the same branch

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juski:

I would've thought that much was obvious

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juski:

because of database schema changes & updates to mythtv's protocol, you can't mix versions

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robbins876:

still getting some minimal tearing, but nothing like it was before

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Tanthrix:

robbins876: And you're sure that it's not in the source?

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t0ny-p40:

so its not possible to use the flv thing with 0.20.2 then... right

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t0ny-p40:

?

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Tanthrix:

robbins876: Anyway, if you compiled with openGL support you can use openGL as a timing method, and set the opengl sync in nvidia-settings and try that. If not, just recompile with the supporty

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t0ny-p40:

And how stable is the trunk branch.

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robbins876:

Tanthrix, yeah, it's all videos

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robbins876:

i think the tearing may be in my mind now, though

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

I know what you mean – this kind of stuff can drive you insane.

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Tanthrix:

Really though, unless your system has timing issues, there shouldn't be any tearing once Xv sync is enabled. I've never seen it on any of my systems once I turned it on

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juski:

how stable is trunk? as stable as it is at the time when you check it out. there are no guarantees of anything working whatsoever. however, by reading the -dev and -commits mailing lists you can be forewarned of any potential issues

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juski:

infact that's the very reason you're recommended to subscribe to those lists in the paragraph telling you how to check out trunk from SVN

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robbins876:

my program guide is empty?! do i have to switch to schedules direct now?

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robbins876:

i don't know how to upgrade myth. anyone familiar with the upgrade process in fedora?

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robbins876:

thanks for not answering...the pause allowed me to figure it out for myself. you guys with your silent psychology!

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t0ny-p40:

robbins876, I helped you, just with my mind power! :)

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robbins876:

and it worked well

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floppyears:

so the data that I used to get from zap2it was wrong

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floppyears:

sometimes it would say: "Jewelery Television" for 4 or 5 channels

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floppyears:

instead of showing the correct show :(

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floppyears:

and it's been causing me to miss shows that I want to record

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floppyears:

can I use the sd website to check if the data provided has the same issues ?

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t0ny-p40:

I would erase the record data from the database

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t0ny-p40:

then run mythfilldatabase

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t0ny-p40:

be sure to backup first :P

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t0ny-p40:

Ok, me bed time.

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drindt:

can someoneplease get me a hint how i can filter out channels which i can not see? means they have a black screen, and much biterrors. exist a filter for such things?

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drindt:

then i had a lot of these

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piecesandbits:

my box is down right now (psu I think) so haven't had a chance to check schedules direct yet. Would the general consensus be to do a new source install instead of trying to reconfigure a debian lenny .20 install?

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robbins876:

alright, i got 20.2 installed and just bought a subscription to schedules direct, how do i set it up in myth?

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robbins876:

just in mythtv-setup?

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robbins876:

is the login my e-mail address?

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robbins876:

guess so

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robbins876:

once again, the power of silence.

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Solv:

I'm trying to rip the new release DVD movie 'Shooter'. However, I get no response from the transcoder. Other DVD's have been able to rip (admittedly some only with the ISO setting, while others i can use 'good' setting on). Is there a new typ eof copy protection out that is stopping this?

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juski:

not that anybody here would ever advocate such stuff. sheesh

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juski:

G.A.N.T. now has some new button watermark icons, filling in a few gaps :)

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robbins876:

man, the photo from the hubble deep field are so crazy

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robbins876:

is, not are

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Tanthrix:

robbins876: I try not to think about it too much. ;)

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juski:

you Earthlings are so easily scared ;)

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piecesandbits:

lunar eclipse happening here now.....macabre sound

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Freman:

he guys

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Freman:

is there any way to get the currently running "thing" on my mythtv?

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Freman:

ie... if I'm playing music, what the title is?

[09:26:27]

Freman:

or what the title of the show I'm watching is?

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Freman:

It's showing on my LCD so... I know the info is avail

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Freman:

I just can' work out where to getit from

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slaine_:

Isn't there doc's for using LCDproc or something ?

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slaine_:

I'm sure I've seen that on the sites doc/wiki

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juski:

don't you dare suggest anybody reads the docs/wiki. people get yelled at for less round here ;)

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slaine_:

Sorry for ruining your chance there juski ;)

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Freman:

that was strange )c;

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Freman:

I've been through parts of the docs

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Freman:

I know about remote, but it doesn't tell me anything useful

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juski:

Freman: search the wiki for lcdproc & lcdserver

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Freman:

yeh, that lets me hook up the lcd (which it's doing just fine)

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Freman:

I want to get the currently action (ie: watching recorded show 'simpsons', or listening to music 'x by who') for a remote..

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juski:

from what I saw in the wiki there's a limit to what you can do with mythlcdserver

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Freman:

I don't care about the lcd, it's working

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Freman:

I want the information for other purposes

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Freman:

surely there's a way to get it...

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juski:

ah so you just want the info, not necessarily on your lcd.. then why didn't you just say that?

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Freman:

I did, but I confused the issue by mentioning the lcd

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Freman:

know of any way? (c:

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juski:

maybe with mythfrontend's telnet interface

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juski:

the 'query location' command might be useful for you

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Freman:

nope

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Freman:

no useful information there

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juski:

there's no pleasing some people

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juski:

your patches will come in handy for you then!

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Freman:

# query location

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Freman:

playmusic

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** Freman shrugs and just attaches strace **

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juski:

some people might appreciate further extensions to the telnet interface

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at0m|c:

hi, on 'mythfilldatabase' i get "Grabbing XMLTV data using tv_grab_be is not verified as working." I tried google and the wiki without success.. Any hints?

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defghost:

hi, i just upgraded to the latest version of mythtv and now mythweb is just giving me a listing of files in the mythweb dir:(. does nayone have any suguestions on waht to try

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defghost:

i've bene at this a few horus iwth no luck:(

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juski:

there've been changes in mythweb's configuration recently. you should read the README which comes with mythweb

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laga:

heh

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defghost:

haha i did over and over

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defghost:

it probably went over my head

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defghost:

it's 4am here

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defghost:

so i'm a bit out of it

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juski:

the change goes from using a .htaccess file to a .conf file for apache IIRC

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juski:

it's not rocket science

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juski:

you might just have missed out restarting apache to re-read its config files

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laga:

this ati remote is driving me nuts. using ati_remote.ko, it'll sometimes cause way too many events :(

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juski:

ah good ole ATI wonder devices. As in.. 'wonder why it doesn't work' ;)

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laga:

heh

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defghost:

whelp i got a bit farther

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juski:

my next remote is gonna be a OneForAll URC-7555 I think. It's now programmable with JP1.x cable & software :)

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defghost:

data director is not writable by apache. please check permissions

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laga:

juski: i've got an igorplug somewhere. i'll try that with the new universal remote i bought yesterday. the ati remote was only 5 bucks fortunately

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juski:

defghost: the README file tells you to chmod & chgrp the 'data' dir in the mythweb dir. You have to do that so the user apache runs as can modify files in there

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defghost:

right. sorry juski, i'm a sleep deprivated now

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defghost:

;let me give that a shit

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defghost:

shot

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defghost:

sorry

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juski:

being awake isn't enough. you need to plug your brain in too ;)

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defghost:

got it

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juski:

laga $5 for a remote isn't bad though

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defghost:

thank god

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defghost:

at least mythtv compiled okay

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defghost:

thanks juski, you helped me a great deal

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juski:

I generally help by shouting at users to look in the docs where the answers have always been, but hey

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juski:

no problem ;)

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defghost:

i guess i'll edit the startup files of this box tomorrow

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defghost:

i'm running fc2 so i had to do everyhting by hand

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defghost:

no packages anymore for this:)

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laga:

juski: i don't understand why people use the ati remote wonder I. even though it is RF, the buttons are flimsy IMHO

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juski:

no accounting for taste

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popole:

help how do I setup three tv tuner?

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** juski hands popole a clue **

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popole:

will I need to connect all the tuner to tv cable?

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juski:

more than likely. tuners tend not to work if you do not connect a signal to them

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Eclipsor:

3 seperate cards?

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popole:

1 pvr 500 and 1 350 so tecnically 2

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juski:

how the hell do you think a tuner would work if you don't connect it to anything?

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Eclipsor:

popole: you need a cable to the 500, and one to the 350

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popole:

it just that I dont have two digital cable box in the same room

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Eclipsor:

get a splitter or something then

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Eclipsor:

eI picked a coax splitter up off of amazon for ~$10

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juski:

so popole if you don't have 2 digital cable boxes in the same room but you want to use mythtv with them, how are you going to get mythtv to change channels on them?

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laga:

juski: fairy dust

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laga:

how many people have already suffered nervous breakdowns due to lirc, btw?

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juski:

not me

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juski:

I'm more likely to get one if I stay in here for too many hours in a row

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laga:

heh

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laga:

hum

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laga:

interesting. irw gets as many as four events per button press. mythtv, however, won't see more than one event.. until i press a different key. example: hit down arrow repeatedly, mythtv will only go down one mneu entry

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laga:

s/mneu/menu/

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juski:

laga: it

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juski:

it's not unusual to see multiple keypresses in irw

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juski:

remotes never send a keypress just once

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laga:

juski: that's OK with me. i'd love to know why mythtv doesn't react, though. i don't have any repeat= or similar statements in my lircrc

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juski:

I think it assumes defaults

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laga:

hum

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laga:

trying that can'

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laga:

t hurt

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laga:

juski: weird stuff. using repeat =1 delay =1 it works

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laga:

juski: thanks for the hint

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popole:

is ther a way to watch tv using mythtv while using microsoft window on the same pc?

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juski:

popole: NO

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RaYmAn-Bx:

popole: buy vmware for linux and run windows in that? =P although this is rather off-topic =P

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laga:

use virtualbox?

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juski:

laga:I was right in my hunch about the defaults – repeat & delay are zero if not specified in lircrc

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laga:

juski: i really wouldn't epxect that behaviour then

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juski:

laga: "A value of zero tells the program to ignore repeated keys"

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laga:

juski: uh. k. ;)

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juski:

RTFM ! ;)

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laga:

juski: i need to learn the documentation by heart so i don't have to RTFM ;)

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drindt:

i read the troubleshooting section about sound in mythtv guide, but that not solve that i can't hear anything. the records have sound but when iam try watching tv then not.

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drindt:

this is my sound device: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)

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juski:

livetv is the same as a recording except for one thing – the recording profile

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drindt:

juski: hm i wonder why iam not having sound but i see on the console a simple dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp works not too

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laga:

drindt: alsamixer?

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drindt:

laga: i try too, because i can read the alsa guide and myth trouble section :)

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drindt:

laga: for my dd example above should imho need to unmute master, pcm and set it to 50% but i hear nothing

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drindt:

it is not related to myth :)

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defaultro:

morning folks, does mythtv support yahoo tv listing?

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laga:

defaultro: check the ML archives

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defaultro:

k

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juski:

maybe try asking in the #nothing-to-do-with-mythtv channel then

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defaultro:

still in gossamer right?

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defaultro:

what juksi?

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juski:

defaultro: AFAIK people who intend to use the yahoo TV listings will be breaking their terms of use

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defaultro:

gotcha

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juski:

same goes for folks intending to rip the tv guide data from their tivo/whatever device too

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defaultro:

then meedios folks should be ambushed

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juski:

just because you've 'paid for it' it doesn't entitle you to do whatever you want with it

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defaultro:

k

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juski:

hey if they wanna risk being sued that's up to them

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defaultro:

yep

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Daviey:

hmm.. yahoo do seem pretty good for non-profit things to.. They allow open-street-map to use their maps

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juski:

apparently not all of yahoo stuff

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Daviey:

fair `nuff

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defaultro:

can you help me find that terms of use, this way, my friends will be aware as well

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defaultro:

I would like to inform them as well

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Daviey:

Before RadioTimes helped out – we were scrapping their pages.. i'm sure they must have complained about that – that must have added a huge load

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defaultro:

so Daviey, how are you going to address your schedules after zap2it closes? Are you going to use SchedulesDirect?

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Daviey:

defaultro: we don't all live in the US

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Daviey:

There is a world outside America... apparently..

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defaultro:

so different provider then

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Daviey:

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh

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GreyFoxx:

Blah. Some RBL'

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GreyFoxx:

s suck

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GreyFoxx:

Apparently with SpamCannibal you can't request to be removed if one of your users does something stupid and gets you on the list. you have to tlak to the individual that submitted you to the list and get THEM to remove you

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GreyFoxx:

and in this case the guy is being a total d*ck

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defaultro:

i just don't get the logic why yahoo folks allow people to sign up to view their tv listing via a webbrowser than a piece of invention to pull the tv listing via a script

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: Control

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GreyFoxx:

just like tv stations don;'t want you skipping ads

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juski:

defaultro: because automated scrapers generate a lot more traffic than a human being browsing

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GreyFoxx:

yahoo wants you to go to their site

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defaultro:

k

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juski:

and automated scrapers don't click on ad links, even accidentally ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Schedulesdirect = no ads :)

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juski:

just pay the _paltry_ sum & quit your complaining guys

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juski:

nobody but Tribune Media will be getting any richer

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GreyFoxx:

juski: You are doing the DVB thing aren't you ?

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juski:

the DVB thing?

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defaultro:

so which version of mythtv will start supporting schedulesdirect

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juski:

defaultro: 0.20.2

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GreyFoxx:

0.20.2 which was released a few days ago

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defaultro:

got to svn then

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GreyFoxx:

or a new(last week or so ) svn trunk

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defaultro:

and it's $15/month correct?

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janneg:

no

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: No $5 a month

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juski:

INCORRECT

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defaultro:

k

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GreyFoxx:

$15 for 3

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GreyFoxx:

and if enough people join the price will go down after that initial 3 months

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defaultro:

no need to shout juski, LOL

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juski:

how many more times are we gonna have to go over this?!

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laga:

trust me

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laga:

there is a need to shout

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juski:

where've you been hiding?

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defaultro:

i forgot dude

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defaultro:

people make mistakes

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Daviey:

juski: add it to the topic?

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juski:

I can't

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GreyFoxx:

and it's looking very very likely that it will go down

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GreyFoxx:

the topic is getting long

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juski:

go down in price you mean, not 'go down'

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GreyFoxx:

need to be trimmed a little :)

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GreyFoxx:

juski hehe yes :)

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juski:

and not everybody is in the USA, so not everybody even cares about zap2it going away

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juski:

not that folks even read the topic

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Daviey:

yeah.. i nearly unsub'd from the ML cause of the zap2it 'problem'

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juski:

I'm gonna restrict myself to reading the channel log come 1st Sept

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juski:

at least for a few days

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Daviey:

yeah.. some chans i'm active in i had to take a rest from

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defaultro:

is svn update enough to get .2?

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juski:

.2?

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defaultro:

0.20.2

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juski:

0.20.2 damnit

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juski:

depends which branch you're talking about

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: are you using truck or -fixes ?

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defaultro:

i'm follwing the stable

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defaultro:

i didn't use the trunk

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GreyFoxx:

0.20.2 is just fixes + sd stuff

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juski:

if you checked out trunk last time, svn update will just get a newer revision of trunk

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GreyFoxx:

so yes

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defaultro:

yep, -fixes i mean

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

Updated to revision 14343

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juski:

includes fixing missing images in G.A.N.T. then ;)

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defaultro:

can someone verify if schedulesdirect have a lineup for my comcast analog and digital zipcode 60156?

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janneg:

defaultro: schedules direct has a 7 day long free trial

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janneg:

so you can do that yourself

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: It does

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defaultro:

ok

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janneg:

and generally if zap2it labs has that lineup SD will have it too

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defaultro:

that was very quick for SchedulesDirect. Are they the same zap2it or different?

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defaultro:

I'm going to sign up this week

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janneg:

defaultro: it uses the same data provider

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: Schedulesdirect was formed by a group of devs from various projects (gbpvr, xmltv, mythtv) that got together to find a solution

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GreyFoxx:

they are getting the data from tms(who own zap2it)

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GreyFoxx:

so the data at a minimum should be the same as zap2itlabs, potentially better

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juski:

we need a !explainSD script on the bot

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GreyFoxx:

heh that would be useful

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juski:

only make it send the info as a msg so it doesn't annoy everybody else

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defaultro:

got to take off now. Thanks guys!

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Freman:

juski – I've written a proxy for mythlcdserver that provides... most of the funcionality I want (c:

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Freman:

bit of a hack but it works

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Freman:

it writes to several files

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Freman:

depending on what the current status is

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Freman:

so far it only works for music (that's what I happen to be doing while coding)

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Freman:

http://mythtv.fremnet.net/status.php <- if you're ipv6 enabled

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juski:

great for the ever-essential "mnngggg is listening to 'crap song #243' by Cradle of Filth" messages in IM & IRC

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juski:

I dunno where we'd all be without knowing things like that

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Freman:

http://mythtv.fremnet.net.ipv4.sixxs.org/status.php

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Freman:

well.. I intend to integrate it with a remote for my laptop actually

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Freman:

status.php was just for testing while I worked out why xinetd wasn't working right

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juski:

whatever floats your boat, I suppose

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** Freman hates the 'xxx islistening to' just as much as everyone else **

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Freman:

it knows where you are in menues and eveyrthing (c:

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Freman:

essentially if the LCD knows about it, you can replicate it over tcp now

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Freman:

combined with the frontend telnet remote it will be quite powerful

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Freman:

oooh, in fact... menu provides quite a lot of data...

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Kazan:

has the bug with "next suggested time" for filldatabase related to SD been fixed

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juski:

Kazan: check the -commits archive

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GreyFoxx:

Kazan: It has in trunk, I didn't notice if it had been in -fixes

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GreyFoxx:

Kazan: It's in -fixes as well

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Kazan:

cool

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** Kazan svn up'ed trunk this morning and is recompiling **

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Kazan:

no recording schedules until 5pm today and nowhere for me to be so i can finally update and start using my SD account

[13:59:58]

Kazan:

question

[14:00:11]

Kazan:

i think all my OTA ATSC channels are available on via WAM

[14:00:18]

Kazan:

but i don't know if they're on the same frequency

[14:00:39]

Kazan:

or sometimes even the same channel ID (like 114.2 instead of 56.1 for one i think)

[14:01:02]

Kazan:

is there a way to "fixup" those and match them up to the data coming from an OTA feed?

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CHaiNS:

In order to get program guide data I have no choice but to buy it? ..am I reading that right?

[14:06:45]

Kazan:

yes

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Kazan:

well.. you can go with the EXTREMELY unreliable method of screen scraping, if anyone has a working scraper

[14:07:21]

Kazan:

SD is a non-profit and it costs them four digits per month to buy the listings from TMS

[14:07:26]

Kazan:

the price will hopefully be going down in the future

[14:07:37]

CHaiNS:

wow

[14:07:52]

CHaiNS:

I installed it cause it was free

[14:08:05]

Kazan:

it used to be

[14:08:16]

Kazan:

people abused zap2it so they shut it down

[14:08:22]

Kazan:

it's still by far the cheapest out there

[14:08:32]

Kazan:

it's 15 for hte first three months, and they hope to after that reduce it to 20/year

[14:08:33]

CHaiNS:

60 bucks a year

[14:08:35]

juski:

oh ffs

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CHaiNS:

bout half the price of a tivo subscription

[14:09:14]

CHaiNS:

weird

[14:09:18]

Kazan:

half?

[14:09:20]

CHaiNS:

thanks for the answer btw

[14:09:23]

Kazan:

um... try 1/3rd bro

[14:09:34]

Kazan:

last i looked tivo was $16/month

[14:09:47]

CHaiNS:

yeah..i only pay 10 for some reason

[14:09:51]

CHaiNS:

had it for yers

[14:09:53]

Kazan:

ah

[14:09:54]

CHaiNS:

years

[14:09:59]

Kazan:

early adopter

[14:10:00]

CHaiNS:

i guess thats why

[14:10:01]

CHaiNS:

yeah

[14:10:12]

Kazan:

with a livetime recurring subby

[14:10:26]

CHaiNS:

tivo is nice..but this would blow it away

[14:10:47]

CHaiNS:

I was using sagetv on a windows box..but it crashed alot of course

[14:11:07]

Kazan:

yeah

[14:11:12]

Kazan:

myth is great

[14:11:20]

CHaiNS:

course tvlistings for the sagetv were free

[14:11:23]

Kazan:

i have a 460GB store, 3 analog tuners and 1 digital

[14:11:24]

CHaiNS:

heh

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CHaiNS:

nice setup man

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Kazan:

wonder how they were paying TMS the four digits per month it cost

[14:11:59]

Kazan:

or were they breaking teh law

[14:12:07]

CHaiNS:

naw its a bigtime company

[14:12:14]

CHaiNS:

im sure they paid somehow

[14:12:24]

CHaiNS:

software is like 100 bucks now or something

[14:12:34]

CHaiNS:

i had an old version i bought years ago

[14:13:33]

Kazan:

ah

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CHaiNS:

well wish id known about this before I spent 2 hours fighting with mythtv this morning

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CHaiNS:

the install guides on the web need updated to include this info

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Kazan:

yeah it's very new

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CHaiNS:

couldnt for the life of me figure out why i couldnt get the guide

[14:15:25]

CHaiNS:

and you cant watch tv withoutit

[14:15:41]

Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

thank the asshole companies that were improperly using zap2it data

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CHaiNS:

its always some moron that ruins it for everybody

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CHaiNS:

never fails

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Aval0n-:

hey guys

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Aval0n-:

what is the proper way of starting/restarting mythtbackend

[14:23:21]

Aval0n-:

?

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Aval0n-:

for some reason after I restard mine mythfilldatabase won't update it at the end

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Aval0n-:

restarted*

[14:25:21]

CHaiNS:

you buy a subscription to the tv listings?

[14:25:31]

Aval0n-:

ChaiNS yes

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Aval0n-:

$15.00 per 3 months

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CHaiNS:

ok

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Aval0n-:

www.schedulesdirect.org

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CHaiNS:

that was my problem with the update

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Aval0n-:

problem with what update?

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Kazan:

he couldn't get listings

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Kazan:

some of the documentation still points to zap2it

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Aval0n-:

ahhh

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Aval0n-:

bummer

[14:27:21]

Kazan:

meng.. i wish my ATSC card could read all these ecrnypted channels :P

[14:27:24]

Aval0n-:

i got .20.0 working last night myself

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Aval0n-:

wish there was an ubuntu package thourgh

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Kazan:

you mean .20.2?

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Aval0n-:

tough*. I like having the bells and whisltes like it preompting to kill backened when running mythtv-setup and then prompting to run mythfilldatabase when done

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Kazan:

there is a problem in .20.2 initial related to "recommended run time" for filldatabase

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Aval0n-:

yes

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Kazan:

use latest fixes

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Aval0n-:

.2

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Kazan:

dunno if they posted updated tarballs or not

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Aval0n-:

what do you mean latest fixes?

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GreyFoxx:

it was

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Kazan:

GreyFoxx: it was as in a tarball was posted?

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GreyFoxx:

www.mythtv.org second article. Mentions the 0.20.2 release and links to the tarballs

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Kazan:

GreyFoxx: i wish my ATSC card could read unecrypted QAM :D

[14:29:19]

Kazan:

erg encrypted i mean

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Kazan:

i'm doing QAM256 scan to see how many of my ATSC OTAs are available in QAM256 and i see all these "Skip, encrypted" digital cable channels

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Aval0n-:

kazan are you letting it finish the whole search?

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Kazan:

Aval0n-: yes it's running through the entire frequency table

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Aval0n-:

mine didnt show up until like aftter 100channel timeous

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Aval0n-:

timeouts*

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Aval0n-:

hmm

[14:30:51]

Aval0n-:

what carD?

[14:30:57]

Kazan:

found unknown channel 115#0 and 115#1

[14:31:02]

Kazan:

KWorld ATSC 110

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Kazan:

dvb interface

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Aval0n-:

I use kworld 115

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Aval0n-:

i got 30 watcable QAM chans

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Kazan:

found 13.1, 8.1, 8.2 two of my OTAs

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Aval0n-:

watchable I can't type today

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Kazan:

found 122#2

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GreyFoxx:

I get a ton of channels on QAM, but only 8 I'm interested in

[14:31:47]

GreyFoxx:

and they are on the same multiplex so it works well with the multirec branch

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Kazan:

110#5

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Aval0n-:

how come after I kill the backend once

[14:32:21]

Kazan:

GreyFoxx: hmm... will my schedules direct OTA channel data work for the channels on QAM so long as their identifiers (8.1 etc) are the same?

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Aval0n-:

and restart, mythfilldatabase wont touch it

[14:32:32]

Aval0n-:

says reconfig the ip on the serve rblah blah

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Aval0n-:

=/

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Aval0n-:

am I not restarting the backend correctly?

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Kazan:

ok i haven't seen the channel i REALLY want...

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Aval0n-:

when I first login and su to mythtv, I can do mythfilldatabase and it d/ls and updates mythconverg at the end. but if I need to go to mythtv-setup, i kill the backend, make my changes, restart the backened... but then mythfill doesn't connect at the end

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T0mW:

anyone care to comment on why building mythplugins-0.20.2 has some type of problem with "INSTALL_ROOT", whatever INSTALL_ROOT is...

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Aval0n-:

you using the correct prefix?

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T0mW:

./configure --prefix=/usr

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Aval0n-:

i never had that problem

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Aval0n-:

what distro

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Aval0n-:

feisty?

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Kazan:

i have 9 watchable qam channels (counting subcans)... only 3 broadcast their IDs

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T0mW:

Aval0n-: naw, Mandriva 2007.1

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Aval0n-:

hmm

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Aval0n-:

dunno

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T0mW:

the Makefiles are screwy

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T0mW:

@$(CHK_DIR_EXISTS) "$(INSTALL_ROOT)../../../../share/mythtv/themes/default/" || $(MKDIR) "$(INSTALL_ROOT)../../../../share/mythtv/themes/default/"

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T0mW:

now that is WEIRD!

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Kazan:

GreyFoxx *bonk*

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T0mW:

What is INSTALL_ROOT? is that a qt3 thing?

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Kazan:

[09:32] <Kazan> GreyFoxx: hmm... will my schedules direct OTA channel data work for the channels on QAM so long as their identifiers (8.1 etc) are the same?

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dburr:

Hi all. I recently upgraded from on-board audio to a Chaintech AV710. The audio of TV playback is very slightly slowed down unless I change the "Multi Track Internal Clock" setting to 48000Hz with alsamixer. However, this causes MythMusic to play back slightly faster than normal. I can fix MythMusic by changing the setting back to 44100 but that slows down TV....

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dburr:

Does anyone know if this is related to ticket #3598?

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CHaiNS:

thanks again for the help Kazan... moving the tuner card back to windows :( ...cya

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Kazan:

*rolleyes*

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Perdignus:

When I request an ASX stream from MythWeb I just get a blank page with "cannot display the webpage" – can someone offer me some tips please?

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Kazan:

i get the same issue

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Kazan:

no idea

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dablitz:

good morning channel

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dablitz:

is there anyone around

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Perdignus:

Morning!

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dablitz:

could I toruble you for some help

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dablitz:

Channel(1)::Open(): Can't open video device, error "No such file or directory"

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dablitz:

i am trying to figure this out

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dburr:

dablitz: Is that from playback or recording?

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dablitz:

that is just trying to start mythfrontend. I have not even got to watch tv yet

[14:54:22]

dablitz:

its a fersh install

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dablitz:

freash

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Perdignus:

dablitz are you sture that's from launching the frontend? looks more like an error from launching the backend to me...

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dablitz:

yes it is from launching the backend.

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dablitz:

frontend says it cannot connect to the backend

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dablitz:

so I checked what the backend was doing

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dablitz:

and it hangs there

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Perdignus:

what excactly is the command you are using to launch the backend?

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dburr:

dablitz: Can you tune your TV card with another program like Kaffeine?

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Hoochster:

looks like he dropped for some reason

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Perdignus:

I think I had a similar problem last night when the mythtv user wasn't a member of the video group and didn't have rights to /dev/video0

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Hoochster:

makes sense

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Hoochster:

never had to adjust myself but if for whatever reason the user doesn't then ya that would block it, he might need to run the backend as sudo or root

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** Kazan wonders why EIT scanning NEVER RUNS **

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Hoochster:

from what kazan?

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Kazan:

ATSC and QAM

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Kazan:

no worries though.. fill database figured everything out

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Hoochster:

are you sure that your broadcasted ATSC and such put out EIT?? I know I just setup an HDHomerun at my parents and it didn't but no worries put them on SchedulesDirect and all is good

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Hoochster:

nice

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Kazan:

ATSC puts out EIT

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Kazan:

now... not all stations do so well

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Kazan:

but i have data

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Inssomniak:

I have yet to see ATSC put out a EIT

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Kazan:

and the EIT probably won't give me more than i already have

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Kazan:

Inssomniak: they're supposed to

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Hoochster:

me either heh but just assumed it was locaiton

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Inssomniak:

Kazan, supposed to and doing, well are 2 different things

[15:14:44]

Inssomniak:

I get ATSC from most major networks and none put out an EIT

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Inssomniak:

and thats on both sides of the border :(

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Kazan:

what the crap.. schools are dismissing early today

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** Kazan is testing his channel linkups **

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Kazan:

anyone have any idea why audio coming from my DVB card is so damn quiet

[15:19:00]

Kazan:

ah... early dismissals due to heat

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Perdignus:

Kazan does it have it's own mixer device or is it plugged into the mic input of your soundcard?

[15:42:28]

GreyFoxx:

Kazan: I find that all DVB broadcasts are lower in volume

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keith4:

is 0.20-svn20070817 current enough for schedules direct support?

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Kazan:

Perdignus: it's an ATSC card

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Kazan:

GreyFoxx: i didn't expirience that in .20-fixes on FC5

[15:44:07]

Kazan:

GreyFoxx: when i updated to trunk on FC7 it started to manifest

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Kazan:

ok.. i have KDSM and KDSMDT – i have a show that is on both (house) i want it to prefer the ATSC card... how do i make sure it does that – right now the scheduler has grabbed the non-hd version

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GreyFoxx:

keith4: Likely not if 20070817 is the day it was pulled from snv

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Kazan:

oh.. found it

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keith4:

aw, shit

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Kazan:

new field "preferred input"

[15:45:52]

Kazan:

GreyFoxx: is there a way force it to clear the scheduler and reschedule everything?

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fer_:

GreyFoxx, hi

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keith4:

SD support wasn't included until sunday?

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keith4:

crap

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GreyFoxx:

Kazan: if you run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all it will go through and wipe/regrab each day

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GreyFoxx:

or you can manually clear the program table and rerun it

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Kazan:

GreyFoxx: i wasn't talking about listings, i was talking about the scheduler.. it still has it recording off an NTSC source instead of the prefered ATSC one

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GreyFoxx:

Keith maybe My memory is off.

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GreyFoxx:

keith4: run myhttv-setup and go to video sources, see if Schedulesdirect is one of the options

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GreyFoxx:

Kazan: oh, in svn mythbackend --resched will for a reschedule

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keith4:

GreyFoxx: wasn't added until 20070824 according to http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20.2

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Kazan:

GreyFoxx: can that be issued while backend is running?

[15:49:18]

Kazan:

ie is it a message?

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GreyFoxx:

Kazan: yes

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GreyFoxx:

It sends a mythprotocol message for the running backend to rerun the scheduler

[15:49:43]

Kazan:

segfault!

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GreyFoxx:

In 0.20 I'd just alter a program via the program guide interface which will trigger one as well

[15:50:03]

Kazan:

i did

[15:50:06]

Kazan:

it didn't trigger

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** Kazan just restarts backend **

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GreyFoxx:

Watch your backend log and see if it says anything

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Kazan:

it's marked "Earlier"

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Kazan:

on the prefered input

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Kazan:

the non-prefered input is being used

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Kazan:

they air simultaneously

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Kazan:

the PVR-150 is card 0, the atsc 110 is card 1

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Kazan:

(And 2,3 = pvr500)

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** Kazan needs to remember where card priorities are stored **

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GreyFoxx:

And they have different Callsigns? I wonder if that is the problem

[15:52:51]

Kazan:

yeah

[15:52:53]

Kazan:

one is DT

[15:52:55]

Kazan:

one isn't

[15:53:02]

Kazan:

one recording schedule sees both

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GreyFoxx:

input priorites are under input ocnnections in mythtv-setup

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Kazan:

there i cranked input priority up on the ATSC card

[15:54:17]

Kazan:

since now i have it attached to a reliable signal source

[15:54:36]

Kazan:

it was 0 and the NTSC cards were 5

[15:54:37]

Kazan:

now it's 15

[15:54:52]

Kazan:

now it's selected the right card :D

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Kazan:

my wife is going to joygasm

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Kazan:

House in HD :D

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iamlindoro:

haha

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GreyFoxx:

heheh

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, same here. I plan to order a projector in the next couple weeks to go with our new hd recording source

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Kazan:

and no more freaking OTA ATSC glitching

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GreyFoxx:

I've had HDTV for over a month but no HDTV output ;)

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** Kazan whines.. "honey.. can i put another 500GB into the mythbox" :D **

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Kazan:

i'm using VGA on mine :(

[15:56:46]

Kazan:

i have a DVI to HDMI

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Kazan:

problem is the TV overscans it

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Kazan:

and i can't find a way to stop that

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iamlindoro:

Kazan, do you have DLP?

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Kazan:

LCD

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iamlindoro:

Really???

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iamlindoro:

Wow, LCD Overscan, whodathunk

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Kazan:

yeah it overscans on HDMI

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Kazan:

not on VGA

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iamlindoro:

Ah, I see

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iamlindoro:

still weird

[15:58:06]

Kazan:

ooh ooh!

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Kazan:

it has settings for that

[15:58:15]

Kazan:

finally found them

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Kazan:

brb getting my HDMI cable

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iamlindoro:

Nice

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iamlindoro:

I built my folks a myth system last Christmas, then have HDMI->DLP... Overscans like crazy. Centering/shrinking the myth interface on an overscanned display is an exercise in agony... Still, I have never had to go over there to fix it, as I doubtless would have if they had an MCE box

[16:01:42]

fryfrog:

iamlindoro: i had the same problem, takes like 20 min to set the right offest/size

[16:01:48]

fryfrog:

but at least you don't have to go back and re do it

[16:01:52]

iamlindoro:

Exactly

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iamlindoro:

If that's the worst problem I ever run into on their box, I'm in the clear

[16:02:40]

iamlindoro:

And they only use MythVideo so I'm in no rush to get them to .20.2

[16:02:57]

Kazan:

i think i got the cropping turned off

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Aval0n-:

hi iamlindoro

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Aval0n-:

I got the sd working last night looks good

[16:04:07]

Aval0n-:

thanks for the help

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Kazan:

tv lists input as HDMI 720p

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Aval0n-:

same thing happens to me

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Aval0n-:

nothing over 720p

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Aval0n-:

regardless of the modeline

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Aval0n-:

and overscan

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iamlindoro:

avalon- nice, I'm glad you're set

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Aval0n-:

thank goodness for the myth gui resizer

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Kazan:

wtf is it with frontend sometimes forgetting it has a soundcard?

[16:06:03]

Kazan:

hey xris

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xris:

morning

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Aval0n-:

my frontend freezes a lot

[16:06:24]

Aval0n-:

dunno why

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Aval0n-:

i exit live tv and go back and it's fine

[16:06:34]

Aval0n-:

would suck for recordings though

[16:06:36]

iamlindoro:

like, temporary freeze, or kill and restart freeze?

[16:06:50]

Aval0n-:

livetv freezes

[16:06:58]

Aval0n-:

but I can esc out and go back

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iamlindoro:

hmmm

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iamlindoro:

any output in the terminal?

[16:07:46]

Inssomniak:

anyone have a udev rule to fix up the /dev/input/eventx remotes from moving around if you unplug a keyboard?

[16:07:55]

Aval0n-:

. /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop is the correct way to stop backend right?

[16:08:01]

Aval0n-:

no

[16:08:03]

Aval0n-:

no errors

[16:08:07]

iamlindoro:

weird

[16:08:11]

Aval0n-:

very

[16:08:13]

iamlindoro:

dma on on all your drives?

[16:08:25]

Aval0n-:

i havn't checked but i'm sure it is

[16:08:29]

Aval0n-:

be default no?

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iamlindoro:

probably

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Aval0n-:

t happens when i switch from a sd to hd QAM chan too

[16:08:58]

iamlindoro:

hdparm /dev/your_hard_drive

[16:09:00]

Aval0n-:

it's very odd

[16:09:11]

Aval0n-:

i'm not at home right now or I would

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iamlindoro:

ok, anyway, that will tell you

[16:09:24]

Aval0n-:

and I havn't forwarded to ports for ssh yet

[16:09:29]

Aval0n-:

thanks

[16:09:35]

iamlindoro:

worth looking, anyway

[16:09:36]

iamlindoro:

np

[16:10:12]

Aval0n-:

who linked me to a page a couple days ago that showed how they helped their buddies cable quality?

[16:10:16]

Aval0n-:

was that you xris?

[16:10:35]

xris:

don't think so

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Aval0n-:

ok

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Aval0n-:

sorry

[16:10:59]

Aval0n-:

i could get perfect 1360x768 if I used pc-15

[16:11:04]

Aval0n-:

but I like the hdmi too darned much

[16:11:15]

Aval0n-:

i've seen a vid of mythtv running in beryl though looks awesome.

[16:11:18]

Aval0n-:

heh

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xris:

that's not cable quality if you're using hdmi

[16:11:25]

Aval0n-:

but if I can't see my menu bars that touw

[16:11:35]

Aval0n-:

would suck

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Aval0n-:

xris

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Aval0n-:

sorry I know

[16:12:16]

Aval0n-:

unrelated

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Kazan:

i wonder when comflag is going to get better with dealing with HD frames

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Aval0n-:

i have to use denoise3d to get my picture looking acceptable

[16:14:20]

Aval0n-:

amplifier didn't seem to help, it actually worsened introducing diagonal wavy lines

[16:15:07]

Aval0n-:

perhaps Im amplifying too far down the line

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iamlindoro:

Kazan, I had a lot of trouble with that at first, but when I added a preamp and increased signal strength, my problems went away

[16:15:24]

Aval0n-:

but a trip in the attic this time of year in arizona doesn't sound to appealing

[16:15:25]

Aval0n-:

:)

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Aval0n-:

iamlindoronice...

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iamlindoro:

because you're right, a couple bad frames and commflag chokes

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iamlindoro:

Aval0n- I love AZ, went to the U of A... if i ever buy a second home it will be out there

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Aval0n-:

i love it too

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Aval0n-:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Northern AZ is a little weird, but I can forgive that

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Aval0n-:

where are you residing these days?

[16:17:16]

iamlindoro:

Silicon Valley

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Aval0n-:

ahh

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Aval0n-:

excellent

[16:17:43]

iamlindoro:

meh. I could buy four large houses in AZ for what my condo costs... but life is still ok here :)

[16:17:58]

Aval0n-:

:)

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Aval0n-:

i bought my house for 151,000 3 years ago

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Aval0n-:

same model on a smaller lot just sold for 340,000 last week

[16:18:30]

Aval0n-:

things are crazy here

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Aval0n-:

:P

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iamlindoro:

Hah, still cheap comparatively speaking

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iamlindoro:

you are in the Phoenix area I guess?

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Aval0n-:

i'm sur eit is

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Aval0n-:

:)

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Kazan:

gawd i <3 HDTV

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Kazan:

i can't wait until the day everything is HD

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Kazan:

and we can record all our HD channels

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iamlindoro:

I love it too... but the problem is getting it to be open such that we can record it in myth

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

i have like... 9 HD channels

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Kazan:

on QAM

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Kazan:

maybe.... 4 of which i am interested in

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Kazan:

and hlyfsck i WANT ESPN2HD :D

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iamlindoro:

It's usually enough for me to get network TV, thankfully, but there are a *few* where Hd would be nice, like Discovery and Sci Fi

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iamlindoro:

Kazan, Thankfully, most of the good games can be recorded from network TV.. whew!

[16:22:47]

iamlindoro:

College Football and Baseball do it for me, so usually I'm ok with what I've got

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Kazan:

i want my MLS soccer in HD dammit :P

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Kazan:

anyone here watch top chef

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Aval0n-:

iamlindoro, what bitrates do you use for sd television/

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Aval0n-:

?

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iamlindoro:

Hahah, Mine are pretty high but disk space is cheap

[16:33:14]

iamlindoro:

9000–11000

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Aval0n-:

lol

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Aval0n-:

ouch!

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Aval0n-:

how much space do you have?

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iamlindoro:

2.2 TB

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Aval0n-:

jeeez

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Aval0n-:

I have 500gig

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iamlindoro:

Well, I added it over time as I ripped DVDs

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Aval0n-:

is 5000–6500 ok for that?

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iamlindoro:

so it's most MythVideo stuff

[16:34:05]

iamlindoro:

i think most people have it set about there, yeah

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Aval0n-:

cool

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Aval0n-:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

any time

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Kazan:

hot chicks in HD YAY!

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iamlindoro:

Hahaha, which hot chicks?

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Kazan:

oh some hot chick on jay leno

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Kazan:

it was a comercial in hd

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floppyears:

hi guys, I need to get myself a good dvd burner

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floppyears:

what brands would you recommend ?

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iamlindoro:

Sure, if you want your hot chicks... ya know... *clothed*.

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xris:

sony

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iamlindoro:

Sony, Plextor

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floppyears:

xris: is there a model in specific that you like

[16:51:21]

xris:

floppyears: no. I just know that sony is a good brand for optical drives.

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Kazan:

hey xris

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xris:

probably also philips, matsushita (though you'll never find them as the selling brand, they're an oem)

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Kazan:

if i manually (via the database) set a channels "eitscan" flag will backend pick it up

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floppyears:

iamlindoro: I've been out of the loop in optical drives, what dvd format would you recommend ?

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iamlindoro:

Aw, I think at this point most will handle + and -

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xris:

what he said.. :)

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iamlindoro:

I am *told* that + media tends to be more compatible with standalone players, but I also think that most devices have come up to the point that they will play pretty much anything too

[16:54:49]

floppyears:

also, one problem that I've been having with mythtv lately is that the tv listings are a little scrwed up

[16:55:08]

floppyears:

sometimes various channels will show: "jewelery television" as a show

[16:55:10]

floppyears:

but that's wrong

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floppyears:

how can I fix this ?

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iamlindoro:

Hmmm, have you checked actual www.zap2it.com to see if it's TMS' data that's screwed up?

[16:56:29]

floppyears:

iamlindoro: is it possible to view in zap2it what channel x is showing at a specifc time ?

[16:56:50]

iamlindoro:

yeah, just go to www instead of labs and pull up a lineup

[16:57:07]

floppyears:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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floppyears:

I didn't know that they also provided that service

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, it's their web portal... good for getting the XMLids of certain channels too

[16:58:03]

iamlindoro:

'cause I had to manually enter my OTA stations in mythweb to get them to map right

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floppyears:

what's ota ?

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xris:

floppyears: over the air

[16:58:50]

floppyears:

oh

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xris:

floppyears: btw, zap2it's main bread and butter is their www website, and recently, selling data to companies like schedules direct

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iamlindoro:

floppyears, if the data on www.zap2it.com is correct and your mythbox in wrong, you can get the XMLid for that channel and manually enter it via mythweb

[17:01:14]

iamlindoro:

er is wrong

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Kazan:

wtf my record just failed to start

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iamlindoro:

that XMLid, of course, also works for SchedulesDirect

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floppyears:

cool

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floppyears:

thanks

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Kazan:

but there was no error in backend log

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Kazan:

wtf it's not locking

[17:06:44]

iamlindoro:

Kazan, is this OTA or QAM?

[17:07:04]

Kazan:

qam

[17:07:08]

Kazan:

the cable came out

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iamlindoro:

Hah, that would do it :)

[17:07:16]

Kazan:

the card has "Fast plugs"

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iamlindoro:

and, apparently, fast unplugs

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Kazan:

livetv's the show he was going to watch

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Kazan:

gawd i <3 hd

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juski:

crappy ole F connectors. heheheh

[17:10:18]

Kazan:

this show is eyecandy

[17:10:19]

juski:

the 'F' can stand for whatever you want

[17:10:30]

Kazan:

if inside passage is running on your public tv station in HD turn it on :P

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iamlindoro:

Whoah, I don't want to hear about anyone's inside passage

[17:11:20]

Kazan:

lol

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juski:

endoscope in HD !

[17:11:34]

Kazan:

it's about the search for a "northwest passage" dearing he early colonization years

[17:11:35]

iamlindoro:

Ah, Mythtv top of slashdot

[17:11:52]

** Kazan refreshes /. **

[17:11:55]

juski:

fatboy slim made a track about that

[17:13:02]

iamlindoro:

of course, the linked article appears to be... slashdotted.

[17:13:12]

juski:

bah the /. boys seem to be slow on the uptake today

[17:13:16]

juski:

there's no flamewar yet

[17:13:22]

** juski gives it another 10 seconds **

[17:13:48]

juski:

nope. ach well

[17:14:03]

iamlindoro:

har har... well if you're really lucky people will download Knoppmyth, and flip out because it doesn't support SD yet (or does it?)

[17:14:12]

** Kazan posts an "unbuntu sucks and therefore mythbuntu does" post and gets it started j/k **

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juski:

only a matter of time before some eejut pipes up "but muh muh muh muh muhhhh.. it's not a free pvr coz we got to pay for tv data.. mwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!"

[17:14:23]

Kazan:

ooh good call iamlindoro

[17:14:31]

iamlindoro:

Amusingly, the article, dated this morning, makes no mention of SD

[17:14:51]

juski:

it's been up for hours already? and no flamewar? what?!

[17:15:07]

juski:

they've lost their touch methinks

[17:15:35]

juski:

btw if you think my indignation is a sign that I've never been impressed by anything I've seen on /. – you'd be right

[17:15:55]

iamlindoro:

Hm, and there are pictures of various themes presenting them as though they belonged to the distros, and not every copy of myth

[17:16:13]

iamlindoro:

ie GANT is pictured with a link "MythBuntu: click to view"

[17:16:24]

juski:

bias!

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juski:

isn't it about time sourceforge's parent company spent a bit of profit on servers/bandwidth?

[17:17:21]

Kazan:

warning about old versions posted in the thread

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juski:

"The live CD heritage of Knoppix means you cannot update individual packages".. what BS is that?

[17:18:57]

juski:

it's debian based, so you can update whatever you like

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** BULLE wants to update it to fedora 7 **

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juski:

so is it just me or is /. something script kiddies read when they're not trying to hack my back door in?

[17:20:46]

Kazan:

just you

[17:21:06]

juski:

there's never anything but flaming going on everytime I have a look

[17:21:11]

Kazan:

but then i dont participate in website wars, i think they're lame

[17:21:14]

juski:

how very mature it all is

[17:22:20]

Kazan:

"Nine months after Colorado was hit week after week with blizzards, here come the babies"

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floppyears:

why did mythtv get ./ ?

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juski:

some lame 'comparison' of 3 ready-rolled mythtv-based distros

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Kazan:

floppyears: linux.com ran a story

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juski:

I'm surprised I didn't see liniuxmce in the list tbh

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** iamlindoro shudders... again. **

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iamlindoro:

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Kazan:

um.....

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floppyears:

thanks Kazan

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xris:

floppyears: mythtv hits /. about once every few weeks... nothing special.

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Kazan:

iamlindoro we didn't need to know that

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iamlindoro:

Kazan: As I always say, every time someone says LinuxMCE, God kills a kitten

[17:26:41]

Kazan:

it's every time you masturbate god kills a kitten

[17:26:58]

juski:

everytime somebody uses a framegrabber God kills a kitten

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juski:

and if you use a framegrabber in linuxmce, he kills 2

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Kazan:

lol

[17:28:02]

Kazan:

does he kill puppies if you complain about the price of SD?

[17:28:10]

juski:

yes

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juski:

one litter at a time

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Kazan:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I like the heavily accented english of the "computer voice" in those l***xMCE videos...

[17:29:02]

juski:

hey if you ignore the comments there's some kinda alright stuff on /.

[17:29:03]

Kazan:

so.. i don't know the story behind linuxmce

[17:29:12]

Kazan:

what's with the hate

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iamlindoro:

"Yoo haf instarred a captuah cahd"

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juski:

Kazan: we've seen the video, and that's enough

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Kazan:

what video?

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juski:

the 'demo' video

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juski:

if you can sit through all of it, give youself a medal

[17:30:21]

Kazan:

did they roll their own mythtv theme?

[17:30:35]

iamlindoro:

"What you see works reliably as shown, except as noted."

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iamlindoro:

Hahah, what the heck does THAT mean?

[17:30:53]

iamlindoro:

No, they rolled their own frontend

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juski:

they rolled their own all-singing, all-dancing ***alpha blended*** UI/frontend/stuff

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juski:

the most important thing to remember is – everything bends around a cube, so therefore must be the best thing since sliced bread

[17:31:51]

juski:

</diatribe>

[17:32:35]

iamlindoro:

Plus it has its own Wii controller

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juski:

hey nobody /. mythtv 0.20.2

[17:32:52]

iamlindoro:

and anything with an accelerometer r00lz0rz

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juski:

yeah.. to watch recordings you have to have the manual dexterity of those guys who guide planes around the runway with ping-pong bats

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Kazan:

sounds like a wiimote would be the perfect remove for linuxmce :P

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iamlindoro:

No, literally, Kazan, watch the video... they have their own wii-alike remote

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juski:

could be the perfect remote for anything provided the UI is sufficiently geared towards it

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Kazan:

i see that iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

oh ok, thought you thought we were kidding :)

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Kazan:

they're really targeting the newb market

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juski:

roflmao.. newb market?

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juski:

you have to have kit worth a lot of money to make the best use of its features IMHO

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

i should say there are going for user friendliness

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iamlindoro:

I like that in their own video there's a little text overlay that goes "Bad! LinuxMCE runs as root... needs fixing"

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juski:

have you seen the UI? I'd disagree

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Kazan:

they have some nice things that everyone else should have – such as plug and pray tuners

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Kazan:

looks pretty close to the UI on many cable boxes

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juski:

if myth only supported a handful of different tuners it'd be much easier to support

[17:38:30]

Kazan:

but then so does myth

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Kazan:

i wasn't talking about the ui

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Kazan:

i was talking about the nice plug'n'pray support

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juski:

Kazan: many UIs clutter up the whole screen with small font text?

[17:39:03]

Kazan:

ever use a mediacom cable box :P

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juski:

the OSD on my box is basically just a lower 3rd bar

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iamlindoro:

Kazan: the Mythbackend "service" runs as root, LinuxMCE runs EVERYTHING as root

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Kazan:

haha they loose comercial skip

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Kazan:

iamlindoro: i saw that

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Kazan:

so it's like windows :P

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juski:

anyway, it's bad. it's good to explore some new UI paradigms & all that jazz but it's not something I could see me wanting to use

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juski:

sure I could get a wiimote & hack it up to work with mythtv – other people have – but then that'll mean i need *two* remotes

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Kazan:

so i take it linuxMCE is comercial

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juski:

nope

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Kazan:

then wtf

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juski:

it's based on a commercial GPL project called plutohome

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Kazan:

weirdness

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juski:

it's a fork of plutohome, essentially

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juski:

maybe compared to other 'whole house' control solutions where the DVR is integrated, it's the best there is – I could believe that.

[17:44:32]

juski:

the whole 'follow me' stuff is just silly for people who live in modest houses.

[17:44:36]

Kazan:

all that remote control stuff is excessive

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Kazan:

how many people actually have home automation

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juski:

people with serious $$$$$

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juski:

10 rooms, vast acreage etc..

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Kazan:

yeah if i want to watch my shows on my computer room i ssh run run mythrename.pl then i have my recordings and videos folder shared via samba

[17:45:43]

Kazan:

easy as pie

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juski:

I've been tempted by X10 in the past, but all those plugtop things are ugly and expensive

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juski:

and X10 is slow

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juski:

I'm def. interested in some automation in the house – like being able to dim the lights & close curtains remotely. that'd be coolish

[17:47:32]

juski:

but everybody in the house having a bluetooth device so they can be tracked? bwahahaha

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Kazan:

i want to put one of those gps devices that periodically uploads it's position to the web

[17:48:11]

Kazan:

them make a google map of my daily, weekly and monthly driving

[17:48:28]

Kazan:

and make the lines get darker the more times you got over the same road

[17:49:13]

Kazan:

or cheaper.. store on a memory card and i can read the memory every so often

[17:49:19]

Kazan:

no needing to connect it to the web

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juski:

yeah just do a daily sync

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Como|Lappy:

i was thinking about having my gps do a position log

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Como|Lappy:

more of an #mp3car on efnet.net conversation, i'd imagine

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CharlieSu:

Kazan: tell me if you get that working

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tank-man:

Kazan, i'm sure the nsa can help

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CharlieSu:

tank-man: they did that to my car...

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RyeBrye:

I was thinking of writing a feature to make commflagging more "wife friendly"- what do you think of this use case:

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RyeBrye:

If you open a show that has a commflag cutlist, it displays a window: "Commercials have been flagged for this show. Would you like to load the cut points?" -> "yes" "no"

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CharlieSu:

RyeBrye: i like it

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juski:

huh?

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RyeBrye:

She's not stupid, so telling her she needs to hit "e" then "z" then "e" is okay – but I think she (and me probably) woudl ike that solution better

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RyeBrye:

It'd be easier with a remote

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juski:

why not just skip the ads automagically?

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juski:

sounds like a pointless use case to me

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RyeBrye:

Don't you have to load the cutlist in?

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juski:

be f'ing annoying to have a popup on every commflagged show

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juski:

no you don't

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RyeBrye:

Oh. I've always loaded the cutlist in :/

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juski:

you only need ever load the commflag list in the editor

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RyeBrye:

someone a long time ago told me I had to

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that's what I meant – hitting "e" then hitting "z" on every show is annoying

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juski:

you only need do that for editing

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RyeBrye:

oh

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fryfrog:

if a show has been commflagged, you don't need to load anyhthing or do anything else

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juski:

^^^ yup

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RyeBrye:

Well.. that's good then :)

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RyeBrye:

I want to travel back in time and smack the person who told me I had to load them all in the editor

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fryfrog:

just setup your myth how you like, i have mine warn 1–2 secs before the break, then have the Z key bound to something like ff

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juski:

hence me saying it's a pointless use case

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, it's pointless :)

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RyeBrye:

good

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Cry_wolf2:

http://digg.com/linux_unix/Three_MythTV_Linux_distros_compared

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CharlieSu:

Cry_wolf2: bad article

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gentoofan23:

hi, is there any way to update my mythtv box to use Schedules Direct without using the mythtv-setup program?

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GreyFoxx:

not without some direct database manipulation

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Cry_wolf2:

i didn´t write it

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gentoofan23:

GreyFoxx: Right, is there any way to do it with the 'mysql' tool?

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cout:

So when is zap2it service going away? I just go the email to extend my subscription and it seemed to work...

[19:07:02]

Kazan:

sept 1

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Kazan:

that date on the sub means nothing

[19:07:15]

Kazan:

they're turning the service off sept 1

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cout:

thanks, it doesn't really say that on their website

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GreyFoxx:

cout: it use to the notice might have been takenb down though

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GreyFoxx:

gentoofan23: It could be done from the mysql commandline, I don;'t know the specifics of what tyou would need to change though

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GreyFoxx:

gentoofan23: why not use mythtv-setup ?

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gentoofan23:

GreyFoxx: Because I don't have X11 on my backend

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GreyFoxx:

export the display to another machine

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GreyFoxx:

or use x11vnc and vnc to the backend

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GreyFoxx:

You need to have the X11 client libraries on that backend at least even if X isn't running :)

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gentoofan23:

GreyFoxx: True. I'll try that. Thanks.

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GreyFoxx:

DISPLAY="OTHERIP:0" mythtv-setup

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gentoofan23:

GreyFoxx: Nice idea. I'll definitely try to use that.

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c_plus_plus:

i need assistance for figuring how to get sound to work with a saa734 capture card.

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c_plus_plus:

i need assistance for figuring how to get sound to work with a saa7134 capture card.

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Dagmar:

It's in the documentation

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c_plus_plus:

where?

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Dagmar:

On the MythTV website, under "installation"

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c_plus_plus:

i've read that, and I have gotten nowhere, i can get the live audio to come out of the card, but I can't get it to be recorded...

[19:31:30]

Dagmar:

Oh well

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Dagmar:

No one else has had a problem with it

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sphery:

I went the PVR-x50 route so I wouldn't have to worry about it. :)

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c_plus_plus:

what sound device should i enter under the backend capture card config?

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Yahooadam:

not exactly a mythtv question, but does anyone know of a good case that holds like 6–10 HDD's and has some decent sort of cooling ? :)

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TheAsp:

Yahooadam: i like lian-li's

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Yahooadam:

i like having money :p

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TheAsp:

Yahooadam: you said 6–10 hd's :)

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Yahooadam:

my current case has ummm .... 5 i think

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Yahooadam:

when i put mythtv on that will be a 6th atleast

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TheAsp:

most full towers have a ton of 3 1/2" bays

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Yahooadam:

http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=604962

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Yahooadam:

somthing like that would be cool

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Yahooadam:

but i cant find any 2x 5.25 bays to 3x 3.5" bays

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Cry_wolf2:

Get alot of 5.25 and use 4in3-thingy and they will be cool

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Yahooadam:

where do u get 4in3 things though ?

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Cry_wolf2:

Nerest computerstore ?

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Tanthrix:

Yahooadam: Go to newegg.com – you can search based on the number of drive bays. They also sell 5.25 inch to 3.5 inch metal adapters.

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Cry_wolf2:

http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=603558

[19:44:17]

Cry_wolf2:

I have that one...perfect

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Yahooadam:

nice find :D

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Yahooadam:

Â£13 :o

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TheAsp:

Cry_wolf2: that blows out through the drives?

[19:46:00]

Cry_wolf2:

in trough

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ARfdee:

hi, when i close mythtv it segfaults, how do i find out why?

[19:46:16]

TheAsp:

does it "suck" or is the fan on the outside edge?

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Cry_wolf2:

outside

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TheAsp:

ARfdee: it doesn't want you to close it

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TheAsp:

:)

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Cry_wolf2:

But i can still close the door

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Perdignus:

Anyone been able to get either ASX or Flash streaming to work with either 0.20.2 or a more recent SVN?

[19:47:33]

Cry_wolf2:

If you whant it to suck..just turn the fan around :=)

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Perdignus:

The closest I get is about 10 seconds worth of Flash then it stops, the ASX stream just errors out to "page not found"

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Cry_wolf2:

[21:43] <Yahooadam> but i cant find any 2x 5.25 bays to 3x 3.5" bays ->> http://www.dustinhome.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010076565

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Cry_wolf2:

Swedish but heres the aker: CHENBRO

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Perdignus:

ARfdee which version are you running?

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iamlindoro:

perdignus, works fantastic for me, SVN from Saturday

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Perdignus:

iamlindoro ASX or Flash or both?

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iamlindoro:

Both

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iamlindoro:

Perdignus, under which browser?

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Perdignus:

iamlindoro IE7 ( from work – gasp!)

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iamlindoro:

Further, did you just copy over your MythWeb install, or erase it and fresh copy from mythplugins compile?

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iamlindoro:

Perdignus, Perhaps try from Firefox with the flash streaming? I think the ASX is another issue

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Perdignus:

I renamed my old mythweb to mythweb.old and copied the new one from last night's SVN and am using it's mythweb.conf

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iamlindoro:

Hrm, sounds like you did the right thing to me

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iamlindoro:

Perdignus, you're streaming from home to work? Perhaps it can't keep up with the latency?

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Perdignus:

I'll try from home to check the latency

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Yahooadam:

Cry_wolf2 – very nice, but how much is 995000 kr :p

[19:59:41]

Yahooadam:

99500 #

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Yahooadam:

and how much is shipping to UK :p

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Perdignus:

iamlindoro Should Firefox prompt me to install the swf player somehow like IE does for the activeX?

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Yahooadam:

atm i have a 48cm fan blowing into the case :p certainly makes a difference; )

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iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

7,201.29 GBP

[20:00:56]

iamlindoro:

Not in my case, "Just worked."

[20:01:44]

Yahooadam:

??

[20:01:46]

iamlindoro:

Yahooadam: 99500 SEK = 7201 GBP

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Yahooadam:

wtf :o

[20:01:58]

iamlindoro:

You sure you have the right decimal point?

[20:02:04]

iamlindoro:

perhaps 995.00?

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Yahooadam:

how is a triple SATA caddy worth 7.2k ?

[20:02:21]

Yahooadam:

"995,00Â kr"

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iamlindoro:

so 995.00

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Yahooadam:

is the , meant to be a DP ?

[20:02:30]

iamlindoro:

= 72 GBP

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iamlindoro:

Aren't you european? Yes.

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Yahooadam:

yeah i guess ...

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Yahooadam:

but we use a full stop not a comma

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** iamlindoro has a french mama :) **

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Yahooadam:

comma's indicate a break in it

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Yahooadam:

like Â£5,300.00 = 5.3k

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iamlindoro:

As do we

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iamlindoro:

so anyway, 72 GBP

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Yahooadam:

but they use a , instead of a . ?

[20:03:55]

iamlindoro:

Often, yes

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Yahooadam:

anyway, the Â£13 thing is good for me :)

[20:05:16]

Yahooadam:

sigh, my fileserver isnt booting

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Yahooadam:

oh joyus

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doc_:

hi there

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Stormx2:

Did anyone record the BBC coverage of the liverpool/reading festivals?

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floppyears:

Stormx2: what's that ?

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Stormx2:

floppyears: What do you mean "what's that"? They're music festivals. i was wondering if anyone had the fill Nine Inch Nails set. I only have a webrip of the last 3rd.

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floppyears:

Stormx2: I don't have bbc so that's why I ask :)

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Stormx2:

Ah

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Stormx2:

k

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Yahooadam:

ugh

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Yahooadam:

getting grub error 24

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Perdignus:

ewww, not good

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sphery:

Stormx2: I know this wasn't your plan, but in case anyone else were to get any ideas, now's a good time for a reminder that discussion of sharing content is not allowed here.

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juski:

I watched some. what I saw wasn't very good at all

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ARfdee:

hi juski

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Aval0n_:

hello again all

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floppyears:

2 days ago, mythtv didn't record a program for me because there was a conflict

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floppyears:

is it possible to setup mythtv to notify in advance of conflicts so that I can fix them ?

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CharlieSu:

floppyears: what do you mean notify?

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iamlindoro:

Just check upcoming recordings in mythweb

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floppyears:

a pop-up x # of minutes before the conflict takes place ?

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sphery:

floppyears: There's no built-in notification feature, but you can just check Upcoming Recordings (in mythfrontend or MythWeb) once every couple of weeks (depending on amount of listings data you get).

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floppyears:

maybe a status something in mythfrontend ?

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sphery:

Upcoming Recordings, press 2 for "important"

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sphery:

It also explicitly says whether there are conflicts on that page (even if you can't see the specific conflict because you're looking above or below it)

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floppyears:

so if I press 2, it will give me the conflicting recordings ?

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Aval0n_:

on my dish dvr I get a 2 minue timer for when it's going to change channels and start recording

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sphery:

2 is important--i.e. those being recorded, the "record earlier/later" recordings, and conflicts

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sphery:

1 is all matches

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floppyears:

ok

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iamlindoro:

or hack together a cron job that parses the database for conflicts, outputs them to a text file, and use that to feed mythnotify

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iamlindoro:

avalon, you get that timer when it WILL record, it doesn't tell you anything about conflicts

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sphery:

(includes tons of "previously recorded" stuff--at least after you've used myth for a long time)

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Aval0n_:

ahh

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Aval0n_:

dish tells me about conflits while I'm trying to schedule

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Aval0n_:

if there is one it won't let me setup to record

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Aval0n_:

i dunno if myth is the same as I havn't gotten it fully setup yet

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sphery:

iamlindoro: a better approach would be to parse mythbackend --printsched or the XML output

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sphery:

both will show conflicts

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floppyears:

iamlindoro: do you use mythnotify ?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, just shooting from the hip :)

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iamlindoro:

floppyears: I have, but don't use it for anything right now

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sphery:

Aval0n_: that only works with non-recurring recording rules

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Aval0n_:

so by default if you already have something setup to record at 8:00am and then try to schedule something else at the same time, will it let you?

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Aval0n_:

provided there are no available tuners

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sphery:

Aval0n_: For recurring rules, there may not be a conflict when you create the rule, but one appears in 2 months or something

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Aval0n_:

ahh I see

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Aval0n_:

I think dish has that same problem

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sphery:

Aval0n_: Yep. It will use the prioritization you've specified to decide which to record

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Aval0n_:

cool

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Aval0n_:

sd is nice

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sphery:

Yeah, there's not much you can do about warning the user of a conflict that occurs at some point past the end of your listings data.

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sphery:

SD is beyond nice.

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** sphery loves SD **

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Aval0n_:

:)

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Aval0n_:

last night it wouldn't show me data past 12:00am next day

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iamlindoro:

aval0n, just --refresh-all and you'll get all data

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Aval0n_:

but i did mythfilldatabase again this morning and it's going like 14 days in the future

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Aval0n_:

iamlindoro: thanks Ill remember that

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Aval0n_:

so do you just manually have to run mythfilldatabase every once in a while to keep your listings up to date?

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iamlindoro:

I believe, by default that it always does a full refresh on the following day, but if you want to update something between 2–14, --refresh-all works

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iamlindoro:

no, it should be set to do it nightly

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Aval0n_:

ahh ok

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Aval0n_:

I love mytthv I just wished my cable looked better

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Aval0n_:

kinda sucks for me cause I can't just call cox about it

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iamlindoro:

Why not? As long as you are providing support for the DVR, they have to provide support for the signal

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Aval0n_:

I've been with them for 8 years, and when I lived in my townhouse they sent me a letter saying sine i've been a loyal customer I could have free basic cable free, now that I moved to my new house (keeping the same account) they seem to have forgotten all about that

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ARfdee:

what is sd?

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Aval0n_:

even though I still have the letter

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Aval0n_:

standard definition

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iamlindoro:

Schedules Direct in this case

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Aval0n_:

or schedules direct

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Aval0n_:

it hasn't been an issue for me since i've been using dish network for 3 1/2 years

[20:47:58]

Aval0n_:

but myth renewed my interest in the analog cable

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Aval0n_:

so my hands are kinda tied

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iamlindoro:

Ah, don't want to lose the free cable :)

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Aval0n_:

right

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Aval0n_:

even thought it's legit, I still have that letter they sent me

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iamlindoro:

Have you tried amping the signal?

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Aval0n_:

<shrug>

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Aval0n_:

i did, but right before the mythbox

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Aval0n_:

the bad thing is here is my setup

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Aval0n_:

1 cox cable coming to external box. meets a 2 way splitter. 1 75 ft cable goingt o my cable modem, other going straight to my mythtv 2 way splitter

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Yahooadam:

sigh

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sphery:

--refresh-all is almost a placebo... For all practical purposes, it does the same as running without it.

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iamlindoro:

So you go curb -> Split -> split -> mythtv?

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Aval0n_:

when I amped before the mythbox, it just introduced diagonal lines

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iamlindoro:

You lose massive signal each split, can you remove one and run a long RG6 cable? And are you RG 6 the whole length?

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iamlindoro:

or just RG 5?

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Aval0n_:

from the external splitter (2-way) one output to cable modem other to mythtv which has a 2 way splitter

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iamlindoro:

Ah, a PVR 500?

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Aval0n_:

rg

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Aval0n_:

yes

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Aval0n_:

pvr500

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Aval0n_:

how did you know that?

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Aval0n_:

channel logs?

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iamlindoro:

no, you said your mythtv has a 2 way splitter

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iamlindoro:

pvr 500 has an internal splitter

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Aval0n_:

right

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Aval0n_:

but I also split before that

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iamlindoro:

Well one thing you could do for yourself is get two pvr 150s since the internal splitter sucks

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Aval0n_:

1 output to the pvr500 and the other to the kworld

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Aval0n_:

but it's the same results if I remove that splitter

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iamlindoro:

OK, so what rating is the cable in all those runs?

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Aval0n_:

and go straight to the pvr500

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Aval0n_:

rg

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Aval0n_:

6

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iamlindoro:

Are you *sure*?

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Aval0n_:

and i put new compression connectors on it all

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Aval0n_:

positive

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iamlindoro:

OK, well your PVR 500 is splitting it regardless so we're talking three splitters

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Aval0n_:

yep

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Aval0n_:

cox's and then the pvr500's

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I agree. The PVR-500 is only the way to go if you are lacking PCI slots. 2 PVR-150's is better.

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Aval0n_:

I am lacking pci slots

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iamlindoro:

I would run one long cable from the first splitter in RG 6, to two PVR 150s

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Aval0n_:

originally I ordered 2 150's

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iamlindoro:

you lose about 3.5 dB from each split

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Aval0n_:

but i found out my video card heat sink was so fat it covered a pci slot

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iamlindoro:

each 2 way split, anyway

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Aval0n_:

right

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iamlindoro:

are any of the splits 3 or four with unused posts?

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Aval0n_:

I have my internal splitter off at home right now

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sphery:

Aval0n_: with Myth a lack of PCI slots can be fixed by using another computer. I have 2 dedicated backends and one dedicated frontend. :)

[20:54:29]

Aval0n_:

heheh no more money or that could work sphery :)

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, you seem very interested in fixing your poor video... it's doubtless due to poor signal, and you'ge got three splits before it gets to the MPEG compression chip, so that's really bad

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Aval0n_:

iamlindoro no, I just use 2 way 5 – 1100mhz splitters

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iamlindoro:

er you've

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sphery:

Yeah. That's the downside. Have to pay to buy a system, power the system, and remove the heat from the house when running the system.

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Aval0n_:

iamlindoro just 2 splits

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Aval0n_:

i don't have the 3rd connected atm

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iamlindoro:

You said two external before it hits the PVR 500, right?

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Aval0n_:

i took it off

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Aval0n_:

for troubleshooting

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Aval0n_:

so right now it's just cox's and the pvr500's

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Aval0n_:

2

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Aval0n_:

and i have the amp on with that setup

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Aval0n_:

didn't seem to help

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iamlindoro:

oh well, regardless, You will vastly improve your signal by cutting that to one and maybe adding a signal amp

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iamlindoro:

So I would love the PVR 500 if at all possible

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iamlindoro:

how can ALL your PCI slots be full?

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Aval0n_:

the board I use has 3

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iamlindoro:

er not love, lose

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iamlindoro:

'cause the pvr 500's splitter *sucks*

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iamlindoro:

badly

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Aval0n_:

the video card heat sink covers 1

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Aval0n_:

bummer

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iamlindoro:

and is made worse by RF interference

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floppyears:

ouch

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Aval0n_:

yes

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Aval0n_:

I was so pissed when I had to send my 2 pvr 150s back

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Aval0n_:

at least I didn't get the crapp samsung tuners in it

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iamlindoro:

None of your tuners is OTA, right? Cable and Sat, right?

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Aval0n_:

the thing is the quality going straight to TV looks great

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Aval0n_:

or to my windows box even

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Aval0n_:

I'm not using any OTA stuff

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iamlindoro:

All the more evidence that it's the PVR-500's split

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Aval0n_:

lame

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Aval0n_:

it looks ok if i use linear deinterlace, standard mpeg2 and denoise3d=3

[21:00:21]

Aval0n_:

but not great

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Aval0n_:

just ok

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, because I think Denoise 3d just mushes up the signal anyway

[21:00:47]

iamlindoro:

I could be wrong though

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Aval0n_:

quickdnr blew for me

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Aval0n_:

denoise3d was much better

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Aval0n_:

if I could getting looking as good as my SD dish stuff

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Aval0n_:

i've be exstatic

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Aval0n_:

I'de*

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Aval0n_:

which is pretty shitty imo

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Aval0n_:

:)

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Aval0n_:

cox would shit a brick if I messed with their external splitter

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iamlindoro:

Is it attached to your house?

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Aval0n_:

it's in cox box attached to my house yes

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Aval0n_:

screwed to my wall

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ARfdee:

hi please help

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iamlindoro:

Pffft, it's free anyway, what can you lose?

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ARfdee:

i have problems on playback

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Aval0n_:

my job

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ARfdee:

recording with ivtv is fine

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Aval0n_:

lol

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ARfdee:

playback is problematic

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Aval0n_:

if I do anything illegal I get fired :)

[21:03:54]

W6SN:

I have no problems with PVr500

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Aval0n_:

working for police...

[21:04:17]

Aval0n_:

W6SN: what filters do you use? and what do you use for a monitor?

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Aval0n_:

if you don't mind me asking

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iamlindoro:

Avalon, anything you could do to the equipment would be civil if they got mad, not criminal

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Aval0n_:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

w6sn, you may have a cleaner or stronger signal coming into your house than avalon does

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W6SN:

aval0n: i don't have any filters turned on i don't think, aside from deint, and we just use a typical 32" analog tv

[21:05:08]

Aval0n_:

it looks fine on the TV which is strange

[21:05:17]

Aval0n_:

what deint do you use?

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W6SN:

iamlindoro: i'm also a ham, so i'm concious of interference...

[21:05:22]

W6SN:

conscious

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W6SN:

heh

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Aval0n_:

ahh ok sd TV

[21:05:39]

W6SN:

i take a lot of steps to mitigate any, since I run much higher powers nearby

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Aval0n_:

I'm on a 50" plasma so I get more compression artifacts

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W6SN:

you shouldn't see any more or less compression artifacts

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Aval0n_:

I run 1280x720

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W6SN:

they are independent of the viewing screen

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Aval0n_:

dunno if that matters

[21:06:20]

Aval0n_:

but crts hide it better no?

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W6SN:

unless yer doing digital to the screen

[21:06:25]

W6SN:

nah

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Aval0n_:

seems like they have a nice smoothing effect

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W6SN:

we see digital artifacts at work on CRTs al lthe time

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W6SN:

hehe

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Aval0n_:

I am

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Aval0n_:

hdmi

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Aval0n_:

i guess that's true

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W6SN:

doubtful you'll see any there cuased by that

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Aval0n_:

i guess I could try amping closer to the cox splitter

[21:07:26]

Aval0n_:

but it's onl a 75ft run

[21:07:58]

Aval0n_:

although it was cut before and I had to join it together with 2 compression connectors and a arrel connector

[21:08:13]

Aval0n_:

but I got good qual connectors on it and very confident they were good crimps

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iamlindoro:

Further, how much of an amp are you using?

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Aval0n_:

it was 8db

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iamlindoro:

Well, you'll lose a bit on the Barrel connector

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W6SN:

only 2 or so dB

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RyeBrye:

I bought a variable amp that did up to 15db boost, but putting any boost on my signal at all further degraded the signal

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Aval0n_:

but it introduced diagonal lines

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W6SN:

the IMD will hit you more

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Aval0n_:

ryebrye that seems like what I'm up against

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Aval0n_:

I used a radio shack 4 way distributor bi-directional amp

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Aval0n_:

IMD?

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W6SN:

intermod

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Aval0n_:

intermod? lol

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W6SN:

basically strong adjacent carriers mixing incorrectly

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Aval0n_:

ahhh yes

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W6SN:

and producing lines

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Aval0n_:

ok I got ya

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RyeBrye:

I ran a RG6-QS line straight from the cableco distribution line into my house -> my MythTV in hopes I would get a clear signal – but no luck :(

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iamlindoro:

Avalon, does your RG6 run parallel to any power?

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RyeBrye:

still somewhat grainy

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Aval0n_:

hmm it goes through my attic, no power around it I don't belive then down my wall

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sphery:

Aval0n_: a good quality 100ft RG-6 cable is likely to attenuate the signal by 6dB/100ft at 1000MHz (4dB/100ft at 500MHz)

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Aval0n_:

I do have an outlet half way up the wall for my plasma however

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sphery:

So 75 feet is actually a long run.

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W6SN:

75' is nothing

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iamlindoro:

aw, I say scrap it, get yourself an HDHomeRun, and enjoy 2 OTA tuners which aren't PCI :)

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Aval0n_:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Actually, if the HDHomeRun could just do QAM It'd be perfect for you

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RyeBrye:

I have really DAMN good patch cables now though – since I had to buy a 500 foot RG6-QS spool just to run that one line, I now have all shorty quad-shield patch cables between my TV and the walls

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sphery:

It can do more, but you'll lose signal strength. I'd say cable quality comes into play any time you have a run > 20ft.

[21:12:44]

Yahooadam:

whats a good dual DVB-T tuner for mythtv ?

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RyeBrye:

I thoguht HD HomeRun could do QAM ? It' can't?

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fryfrog:

pretty sure it can

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iamlindoro:

Upon inspectiong, you're right, it can

[21:13:06]

iamlindoro:

er inspection

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iamlindoro:

my mistake

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RyeBrye:

I don't think it can handle encrypted crap though

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W6SN:

sphery: that's really a blanket statement

[21:13:39]

W6SN:

it matters more about what signal levels you're talking about

[21:13:40]

floppyears:

I'm wondering if I should/can add an extra tuner to my current setup

[21:13:42]

iamlindoro:

Heck, get one of those, put it right at your cox splitter on the wall, then run Cat 5 back to your Mythbox

[21:13:53]

W6SN:

if you have a 25dB snr, and you lose 6dB... bfd

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Aval0n_:

so let me take a pole, who here thinks amping closer to my cox input will help things? knownin that amping right before the myth box gave me diagonal lines.

[21:14:08]

floppyears:

I have: 1gb, amd 64 x2 3800+ dual core, 3 free pci slots, 2 hauppage 150 tuners

[21:14:25]

floppyears:

the extra tuner that I have laying around is a cheap wintv that doesn't do hardware encoding :(

[21:14:31]

sphery:

W6SN: It doesn't seem that Aval0n_ has such a nice SNR--thus the problem he's experiencing...

[21:14:37]

floppyears:

is it worth it to add the 3rd tuner ? can my system handle it ?

[21:14:39]

RyeBrye:

Amping closer to the cox box makes most sense – since oyu arn't amping the noise

[21:14:44]

RyeBrye:

but it makes it a PITA to check the signal :)

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iamlindoro:

Floppyears, get an HD 5000 and get OTA HD from it

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W6SN:

he has diaganol lines though

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W6SN:

err

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W6SN:

diagonal

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RyeBrye:

I am really pissed at the jackass who ran the coax in my house

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floppyears:

iamlindoro: I don't have an hd tv right now :(

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Aval0n_:

lol

[21:15:08]

W6SN:

that's usually not a weak signal. more just interference overloading something

[21:15:09]

RyeBrye:

He ran really crappy quality wire, and stapled it

[21:15:12]

RyeBrye:

so I can't pull it easily

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W6SN:

front end, or intermod

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floppyears:

and I already have that extra tuner

[21:15:20]

floppyears:

it's just in another machine

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't mean you can't benefit from improved quality of signal

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Yahooadam:

lol

[21:15:23]

RyeBrye:

If you are going to run shit for wire, don't staple it down please!

[21:15:39]

W6SN:

iam: not necessarily. if you overload the frontend, you'll get the same type of effects

[21:15:42]

Aval0n_:

W6SN: there are tons and tons of posts talking about diagonal lines on the pvr-500

[21:15:47]

Aval0n_:

if you google

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Aval0n_:

a lot of ppl said removing the metal caps on the tuners solved the problem

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W6SN:

i'll bbiab. gotta go hunt down a t1

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iamlindoro:

W6SN, huh?

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iamlindoro:

I didn't say anything

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iamlindoro:

Was talking to floppyears

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iamlindoro:

re: getting an OTA Hd tuner

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Aval0n_:

my cable modem said my power strength is 34db

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RyeBrye:

They dont' give a reference value thought

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RyeBrye:

err though

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RyeBrye:

34 dB with reference to what?

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Aval0n_:

signal to noise says 30db

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Aval0n_:

dunno

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Aval0n_:

just says power lvl 34db

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Aval0n_:

not too clear

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RyeBrye:

the signal to noise is more meaningful at least

[21:18:40]

RyeBrye:

http://www.jimprice.com/prosound/db.htm

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Aval0n_:

cool page

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Aval0n_:

so don't amp it then?

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Aval0n_:

i'de hate to cut the wire for the amp if it's not gonna help

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Aval0n_:

anticipation*

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Yahooadam:

are there [b]any[/b] dual DVB-T tuners :S

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Aval0n_:

there's multirec

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Aval0n_:

:P

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iamlindoro:

*cough* google *cough*

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Aval0n_:

that's about it for now

[21:36:58]

Aval0n_:

google sells a mutli dvb-t tuner now!! holy crap they really are doing everything these days!

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Aval0n_:

:P

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iamlindoro:

seemed more polite than pointing him at www.justfuckinggoogleit.com

[21:37:30]

Aval0n_:

lol

[21:37:43]

iamlindoro:

but have it your way

[21:38:26]

Aval0n_:

iamlindoro should I install the amp closer to the cox input?

[21:38:31]

Aval0n_:

or do you think it wouldn't help

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Aval0n_:

since I saw diagonal lines when amping it at the mythbox

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iamlindoro:

I *can* help, but no guarantees... if you're just amplifying noise, you're just amplifying noise

[21:39:28]

iamlindoro:

er it can

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Aval0n_:

yeah that's what I'm afriad of

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Aval0n_:

although after some google searching I found a lot of ppl say their pvr 500 does the diagonal lines even when using the a/v inpus on it

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Aval0n_:

inputs*

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iamlindoro:

Psst, adam, if you googled it, you'll find there are dual DVB-T Tuners that work with myth

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Aval0n_:

which in my case, the lines get worse

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Aval0n_:

I don't know if that can be attributed to pvr500 or bad quality

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iamlindoro:

*shrug*

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iamlindoro:

Dropping in a single pvr-150 card is a much easier solution so see if that fixes your signal

[21:42:05]

iamlindoro:

er to see

[21:42:15]

iamlindoro:

and you could always buy a card and return it when you're done

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Yahooadam:

iamlindoro – whats a good one though :p

[21:42:57]

iamlindoro:

Six of one, half dozen of the other... I don't use any of them. Look at the DViCO

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Aval0n_:

I had a pvr 150 in it

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Aval0n_:

looked the same imo

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iamlindoro:

ok, so that would have been relevant when we were talking about it

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Aval0n_:

just not thought about it

[21:44:24]

Aval0n_:

now

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Aval0n_:

only had it in for a day

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, you're on your own from there... you either have to call cox and get them to improve the signal (and possibly pay) or take matters into your own hands

[21:44:54]

Aval0n_:

I hear ya

[21:44:57]

Aval0n_:

thanks for all your info

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iamlindoro:

Yep, sorry we couldn't solve it outright

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Aval0n_:

no it's fine

[21:45:20]

Aval0n_:

your help is very much appretiated

[21:45:32]

Aval0n_:

i just hate to cut my cable to *try* an amp

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Aval0n_:

introduce even more interference/signal loss to the line

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iamlindoro:

Don't see why you have to cut it, just use a short patch between the signal source, the amp, and the first split

[21:47:04]

Aval0n_:

that's outside though

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Aval0n_:

i guess to try it

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iamlindoro:

so? It's just a test

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Aval0n_:

cox has some weird rubber seal over the connectors

[21:47:26]

Aval0n_:

dunno if it's heat shrink or not

[21:47:33]

Aval0n_:

cox used hex crimpers though

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Aval0n_:

I tend to like compression

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Yahooadam:

hmm interesting

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Aval0n_:

everything is compression after the cox splitter

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Yahooadam:

the Nova-t 500 is a dual digital tuner

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iamlindoro:

Well, like aside, you should still be able to rig it up just to test

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Yahooadam:

is it any good though ...

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Aval0n_:

I'm confident on the crimps

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Aval0n_:

they seem solid

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Aval0n_:

and the db on m calbe modem signal page went up a bit after I changed them

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iamlindoro:

YahooAdam, what are your requirements for it to be "good"? If it's to tune television, then it's "good." If it's something else...?

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iamlindoro:

Anecdotally, I can say that many people use it successfully

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Yahooadam:

it should have a decent picutre quality ...

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iamlindoro:

It's digital. You're either getting a picture or you're not

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Yahooadam:

im so glad youve never met my dad :p

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iamlindoro:

umm... ok

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iamlindoro:

If a digital signal can be received, the picture quality is determined by the bitrate of the stream, and enough signal stream not to drop frames

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Yahooadam:

to him, digital is just as frail as analogue

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iamlindoro:

er signal strength

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Yahooadam:

yeah but dont the tuners make any difference in DVB-T ?

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iamlindoro:

Not that I am aware of

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

Like I said, you just need signal strength not to drop frames, and the picture quality is a function of the bitrate set by the content provider

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Aval0n_:

iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

?

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Aval0n_:

I never set my bitrate above 000

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Aval0n_:

err lol 6000

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Yahooadam:

pidgin crash sigh

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Yahooadam:

10:53:47 PM) Yahooadam: hmm

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Yahooadam:

(10:53:59 PM) iamlindoro: Like I said, you just need signal strength not to drop frames, and the picture quality is a function of the bitrate set by the content provider

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Yahooadam:

did u say anything after that ?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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Aval0n_:

maybe that could be the reason for shitty qual?

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Yahooadam:

kk :)

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iamlindoro:

avalon, it's *probably* not gonna matter, but you might try it just for giggles

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Aval0n_:

k

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iamlindoro:

hey avalon

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Aval0n_:

yep?

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iamlindoro:

what resolution are you recording at? 480x480 or 720x480?

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Aval0n_:

720x480

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iamlindoro:

ok good

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Aval0n_:

i was told that was the pvr's native

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iamlindoro:

yeah, should be fine

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Aval0n_:

cool

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robbins876:

Here's the important thing...i'm not going to be a daddy! hooray!

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Aval0n_:

is there a way to shrink you linux desktop virtually?

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Aval0n_:

since I have overscan

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iamlindoro:

hahaha robbins

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Aval0n_:

do to the ubuntu desktop like I did to mythtv

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iamlindoro:

I definitely know that feeling, gulp

[21:57:14]

Aval0n_:

robbins congrats

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Aval0n_:

just had my 3rd last week

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robbins876:

wow, probably not as scary after the first, eh?

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iamlindoro:

avalon, note the negative in his statement

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Aval0n_:

:)

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Aval0n_:

lol

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robbins876:

yeah, no babies for me

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BULLE:

robbins876: you dont want your genes to continue to exist in the genepool ?

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Aval0n_:

oh

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Aval0n_:

lol

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robbins876:

not at 22 i don't

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Aval0n_:

my bad

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robbins876:

iamlindoro, it's a terrible feeling

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iamlindoro:

I know it

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Yahooadam:

:p

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Yahooadam:

how does the nova-t 500 remote work :S

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Yahooadam:

there doesnt seem to be anywhere that actually says

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Yahooadam:

just "zomg look at this card, adverts adverts adverts"

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iamlindoro:

*sigh*

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iamlindoro:

google: mythtv nova-t 500 remote

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iamlindoro:

first link

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Yahooadam:

ah i think i see, it does have a little plug socket on the back

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Yahooadam:

dang

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Yahooadam:

i dont really want the remote stuff

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iamlindoro:

so don't use it

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: so dont use it

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Eclipsor:

if I don't set captions in mythtv setup, can I set them later and have them applied retroactively?

[22:02:38]

Yahooadam:

true ;)

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iamlindoro:

eclipsor, if you don't re-encode your stream, yes

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Yahooadam:

but will it cause any issues having the drivers for it there :s

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Eclipsor:

dang :P I transcode everything

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BULLE:

Yahooadam: dont load the lirc modules then

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iamlindoro:

eclipsor: Then no :)

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darthy:

hi.. where to get liblame0 >=3.97 deb file.. i have unmet dependencies when installing in debian.

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BULLE:

darthy: ask whoever built your packages i would say

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iamlindoro:

apt-get install liblame?

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iamlindoro:

apt-get install liblame-dev probably

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darthy:

its not in the debian repos.

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iamlindoro:

are you sure? Seems to be...

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iamlindoro:

liblame-dev?

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iamlindoro:

You have all your repositories enabled?

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darthy:

hmm.. you are right.

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iamlindoro:

looks like there's even a liblam0 package

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iamlindoro:

er liblame0

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darthy:

i think its my myth*.deb files. they need liblame0 (>=3.97).. but they changed the package name to liblame-3.97–0. what can i do to suppress the unmet dependencies to let apt tool work again?

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Yahooadam:

been an expensive day :p

[22:08:32]

darthy:

if i try to install some other tools now, apt wants to uninstall mythtv becaus of the unmet dependencies.. but mythtv works!

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iamlindoro:

apt-get -f install I think

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darthy:

then its uninstalling my mythtv

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darthy:

:/

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iamlindoro:

weird

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iamlindoro:

dunno then

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iamlindoro:

install myth from source would be good, then you can make your own debs and avoid apt killing them

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Yahooadam:

can u do sudo aptitude install mythtv ?

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darthy:

aptitude tells me that liblame0 (>= 3.97) is unavaillable. and thats true – because they renamed that fu**ing package.

[22:15:50]

Kazan:

simlink

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Kazan:

from the old name to the new name

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Kazan:

ie /lib/libOldName to /lib/libNewName

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darthy:

...

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darthy:

thats not the problem..

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Kazan:

oh it's package dep bitching?

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darthy:

yep

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Kazan:

sometimes rpms look for the file and not the package that provides it

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iamlindoro:

Just install whatever you're installing from source and you won't have to worry about it

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darthy:

can i rename it in the apt db somehow ?

[22:17:23]

Kazan:

do what iamlindoro said

[22:17:25]

Kazan:

anyway.. afking now

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iamlindoro:

what is it you're trying to install?

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darthy:

i have installed liblame-3.97–0.. and then i install mythtv deb files using dpkg --install myth* --ignore-depends=liblame0 .. so far so good.. myth works

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iamlindoro:

ok...

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darthy:

but when i try to install some other software now using apt – apt wants me to remove mythtv first because of the unmet dependencies..

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darthy:

arrgh

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darthy:

:)

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iamlindoro:

what is it you're installing?????????????

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iamlindoro:

again

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Yahooadam:

ran sudo apt-get update b4 u started all this ?

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darthy:

na – when i use apt again now – when i install xterm for example.. the unmet dependencies from mythtv are still in the apt db.. so i cant install anything anymore if i wont fix the unmet deps first.

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darthy:

sure

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iamlindoro:

arghhhhh, just use --ignore-missing

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darthy:

nop – that will only ignore when files cant be read from a repo.

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darthy:

ill ask the guy who built the myth deb files.. he has to know..

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iamlindoro:

or just uninstall those debs and install myth from source

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Yahooadam:

has anyone here got any experience backing up a HDD with linux ?

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nordle:

I might be being dense, but can't see how to change the font size of mythtv text showing Recorded Items and the text stuff explaining what they are. Ditto the schedular. On my screen the text is very small. I've been into myth setup and set the Small, Medium and Large fonts but this doesn't appear to cover those screens. Can anyone say what they think I might be doing wrong / not doing? Thanks.

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iamlindoro:

yahooadam: man dd

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nordle:

Ditto for "Videos" too, the text is tiny

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iamlindoro:

nordle, edit the theme xml files

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nordle:

Yahooadam: I use dar: http://dar.linux.free.fr/

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iamlindoro:

dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/hdimage.raw

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iamlindoro:

will build a raw image file of that disk

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nordle:

I use dar for taking whole system backups and rsync to just backup stuff on a regular basis

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Yahooadam:

how would you restore it ?

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iamlindoro:

dude, MAN DD

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Yahooadam:

well my man dd

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Yahooadam:

starts like this

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Yahooadam:

Copy a file, converting and formatting according to the operands.

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Yahooadam:

bs=BYTES

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Yahooadam:

force ibs=BYTES and obs=BYTES

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iamlindoro:

congratulations

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Yahooadam:

thats really not helpful ...

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iamlindoro:

ok, connect the dots... if dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/hdimage.raw copies that partition to that file, then...

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iamlindoro:

...?

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Eclipsor:

oh oh I know

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** iamlindoro calls on eclipsor **

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Eclipsor:

dd if=/hdimage.raw of=/dev/hda2 !!!

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Yahooadam:

dd if=/path/to/image.raw of /dev/hda2 ?

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Yahooadam:

so close :p

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** iamlindoro gives eclipsor a gold star **

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Yahooadam:

seems pretty simple :d

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Yahooadam:

does that backup superblocks and crap too ?

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Yahooadam:

and can i do /dev/hda rather then doing each partition ?

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iamlindoro:

yes and yes

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Yahooadam:

sweet :)

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iamlindoro:

it's a bit-for-bit copy of the drive or partition

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Eclipsor:

takes for-friggin-ever too

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Eclipsor:

:p

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Yahooadam:

atleast its only a 40gb drive :p

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nordle:

OR you could use something as simple as tar, or dar, or rsync or.... something that doesn't copy each sector whether its used or not.

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iamlindoro:

although not if you want to boot from that device

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Yahooadam:

ty for the help :)

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Yahooadam:

though, it would be nice to get it without the attitude :p

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Yahooadam:

we arent all linux experts ;)

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iamlindoro:

It would be nice if you at least googled for your answer first

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iamlindoro:

'cause that would be courteous

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iamlindoro:

like "mythtv dvb-t dual tuner"

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iamlindoro:

and "linux disk backup"

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iamlindoro:

these are not complex or uncommon problems

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Yahooadam:

i did actually google for linux backups

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Yahooadam:

but ended up with stuff about partimage and windows backups

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iamlindoro:

ok, and I see the answer about five times on the first page alone, so...?

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Yahooadam:

i didnt use the same words as you

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Yahooadam:

you may phrase it differently, i didnt use the same search so my results are alot different

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iamlindoro:

so there's my point. Had you taken the time to think about how to find your own answer, you could have avoided asking entirely.

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iamlindoro:

how many searches would it have taken for you to try "linux hard drive backup" or "disk backup linux?" 2? 3?

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Yahooadam:

why not ask someone who has actually done it for somthing that will definetly work

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iamlindoro:

But it's easier for you to just have someone hold your hand and spoon-feed you the answer

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Yahooadam:

dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/hdimage.raw copies that partition to that file, and dd if=/hdimage.raw of=/dev/hda2 restores it

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Yahooadam:

why couldnt u just say that

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Yahooadam:

takes like 1 min and quick and easy response

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Yahooadam:

faster then arguing about how to do it, and getting a rather unhelpful man dd response

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iamlindoro:

because it is not my (or anyone elses here) JOB to be your personal research associate.

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Yahooadam:

i dont even know where to start with DD

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Yahooadam:

then dont answer

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iamlindoro:

And I guarantee you most people here dislike it when people don't make an effort (a REAL effort) to find their own answer

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Yahooadam:

i asked if anyone had experience backing up linux

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Yahooadam:

so anyone who has experience will know, and dont actually have to search

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W6SN:

you mean there are answers?

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iamlindoro:

Who said I had to search? This is not #linux-backup, it's a mythtv channel.

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Yahooadam:

theres a linux-backup channel ?

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure anyone in #linux would be happy to help you

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Yahooadam:

i actually tried in ubuntu-server

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Yahooadam:

but they didnt know

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iamlindoro:

but keep it on topic and make a freaking effort to learn for yourself so that we are not (as I have observed for days with you) constantly guiding you through every single question you have

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ARfdee:

oh come on this SUCKS

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W6SN:

meh?

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ARfdee:

livetv only plays for a bit and won't play again until i reboot

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ARfdee:

what the heck is the problem?

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iamlindoro:

ARfdee, perhaps an ivtv issue?

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ARfdee:

after it stops working gmplayer /dev/video0 doesn't even work

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iamlindoro:

which tv card?

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ARfdee:

wintv pvr150mce

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iamlindoro:

hmm, yeah, perhaps ivtv

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ARfdee:

right now i just ran gmplayer /dev/video0

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ARfdee:

Playing /dev/video0.

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ARfdee:

it's just sitting there

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iamlindoro:

which ivtv are you running?

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ARfdee:

ivtv-kmdl-2.6.22.4–65.fc7–1.0.2–134.fc7

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ARfdee:

iamlindoro: i tried unloading and reloading ivtv

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ARfdee:

but only a reboot seems to fix it

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** iamlindoro scratches head... **

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iamlindoro:

erm, that's your package, which ivtv?

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ARfdee:

ivtv-1.0.2–134.fc7

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iamlindoro:

That's not a version of ivtv

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ARfdee:

dude, what do you WANT?

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iamlindoro:

.10.3 or something would be right

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ARfdee:

i gave you the version and the kernel module version

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ARfdee:

iamlindoro: the latest version from the ivtv website is 1.02

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iamlindoro:

really? hmmm, i thought for sure it was .10 something

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ARfdee:

http://ivtvdriver.org/

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W6SN:

.10 is the old tree

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W6SN:

if that number is correct

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iamlindoro:

Ah, I see, they've changed

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ARfdee:

ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 0

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ARfdee:

is that it?

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iamlindoro:

possibly

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iamlindoro:

looks like it

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Yahooadam:

sigh, i give up with this, the typical elitist linux attitude

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Yahooadam:

its not simple, and it can be very hard to find a real answer, hell i googled for days trying to find how to defrag, and even then never really got a good answer (you can do it, but ext3 is resistant to it)

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Yahooadam:

And when people like you just expect everyone to know, and everyone to get the right string into a google search, it clearly sucks to get this blooming attitude with it which is totally unhelpful

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Yahooadam:

so much for "user-user support", its a shame when the few spoil it for the majority, my life isnt long enough to deal with this shit, ill find some nice people who are helpful instead

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iamlindoro:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/36156?page=last

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** iamlindoro savors the silence. **

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ARfdee:

iamlindoro: looking

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|Torg|:

Yahooadam what are you trying to defrag?

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iamlindoro:

ARfdee, looks like that's the issue

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** nordle wades through the mountain of toys that litter the mythtv floor **

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iamlindoro:

Torg: he's mad because I told him he should google for his answers instead of expecting to be spoonfed, especially non-myth stuff in the myth room

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ARfdee:

iamlindoro: i dont see a solution:(

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iamlindoro:

arfdee, not the solution, just probably the problem :)

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iamlindoro:

And it's from last month so maybe not solved yet

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ARfdee:

iamlindoro: should i downgrade?

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iamlindoro:

ohhhhh, you have one of the new samsung cards?

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|Torg|:

ahh, I thought maybe he was tryting to defrag an ext or other jorunals filesystem

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ARfdee:

i know i didn't used to have this problem

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iamlindoro:

is it a new card?

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ARfdee:

iamlindoro: are you asking me?

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iamlindoro:

or a previously working one?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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ARfdee:

previously working

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iamlindoro:

guys in ivtv-dev may have a better handle on it

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iamlindoro:

but it soulds like exactly what you're experiencing

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ARfdee:

no reply from them, as usual

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ARfdee:

i mean, when it does work, it starts chucking after a while

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iamlindoro:

looks like uninstalling the package ind building a source version may help you

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iamlindoro:

//www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org/msg06540.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdr . . . sg06540.html

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ARfdee:

iamlindoro: for the module?

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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ARfdee:

so i just need to compile my own module, or the other parts of the package as well?

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ARfdee:

oh

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iamlindoro:

Probably the whole ivtv kit'n'kaboodle

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ARfdee:

the ivtv website isnt working for me:O

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iamlindoro:

me neither, appears to be down

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ARfdee:

actually, livna has ivtv stuff

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iamlindoro:

I'd get their SVN and hope they've overcome it

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iamlindoro:

looks like revision 3772 added a patch to address that in some way

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ARfdee:

oh, is that in 1.0.2?

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ARfdee:

or svn only?

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iamlindoro:

although maybe not completely

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't know

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|Torg|:

read the trac

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ARfdee:

i dont even know how i can get that source since the website is down

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|Torg|:

if it has svn it undoubtably has a trac too, read up on tickets, and search teh svn individually for that files hostry

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ARfdee:

im trying to ascertain if it's just the kernel module

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|Torg|:

diff it?

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ARfdee:

diff what?

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ARfdee:

//www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org/msg06540.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdr . . . sg06540.html

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ARfdee:

im referring to that

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|Torg|:

hell go use vi and look to see if its patched

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|Torg|:

ivtv-streams.c

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ARfdee:

torg, i can't access the website to download the stuff

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ARfdee:

the website is down

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|Torg|:

if its not, go patch it by hand, vi works for that too you know

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|Torg|:

do you have it as a source, on your system now? any version?

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EnterUserName:

well schedules direct works for me

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EnterUserName:

:)

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ARfdee:

oh wait, im talking to iggy now

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|Torg|:

EnterUserName did you have some reason to think it wouldnt work?

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EnterUserName:

Well.. it was developed rather quickly

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EnterUserName:

:P

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|Torg|:

what the schedules your your access to them?

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EnterUserName:

In general

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EnterUserName:

they put it all together quite quickly

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|Torg|:

the schdules comes from TMS, same place zap2it got them

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|Torg|:

all SD does is convert them to XML, something zap2it has been doing for some time

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|Torg|:

so if you mean it was crated rather quickly, what you are referring to is your logina and access to it

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B5Duster:

Hi again all. I've managed to determine that the lack of 16:9 output from my mythbox is due to the epia mobo/dvi daughterboard combo

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EnterUserName:

Does anyone know how to fix LCD screens to make it work better with mythtv

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EnterUserName:

cuz on my lcd it looks like ****

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B5Duster:

lugged my gaming pc in here and am outputting dvi @ 1920x1080, 60Hz through my radeon9700 and it works fine – scaled correctly

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iamlindoro:

Enterusername, do you mean the interface, or tv itself?

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EnterUserName:

tv itself

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B5Duster:

EnterUserName: How are you sending video to it?

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EnterUserName:

the interface is fine

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EnterUserName:

Its the PVR-150 im sending it via Svideo

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iamlindoro:

it's always going to look like crap, then. Upscaling tiny resolution to the LCDs resolution is going to make it look blurry

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iamlindoro:

and s-video? Even worse.

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B5Duster:

indeed

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EnterUserName:

Well I tried changing the resolution

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EnterUserName:

within mythtv settings it still doesnt look good

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iamlindoro:

doesn't matter, s-video is locked to one resolution

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iamlindoro:

Standard def

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|Torg|:

what kind of LCD, make model? and how is it conntected?

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B5Duster:

svid can output 480i only

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EnterUserName:

So how would you guys do it?

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BULLE:

B5Duster: im pretty sure mine can do 576i

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EnterUserName:

Is it the PVR-150?

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iamlindoro:

Up your recording resolution to 720x480, increase your bitrate, and output with DVI or HDMI

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iamlindoro:

that'll be the best you can do

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BULLE:

EnterUserName: get something that can receive digital broadcasts, and dump the stream directly to hd, and then feed the tv via dvi or hdmi

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B5Duster:

BULLE: I'll concede that there are some weird ones out there – my old TV claimed it could do 800x600 through svideo, but the point is it won't be pretty

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BULLE:

B5Duster: wierd ones ? around here you wont find any tv that uses 480i =)

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iamlindoro:

No matter what it will output through the s-video, it's getting downconverted to 480i

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BULLE:

B5Duster: 576i is the standard, still is and has always been ( here that is )

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juski:

576i is PAL

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iamlindoro:

or 576i for pal

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juski:

480i is NTSC, or thereabouts

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B5Duster:

I'm in NTSC land

[23:03:12]

iamlindoro:

so you'll get 480i max through s-video, regardless of what resolution you feed it

[23:04:19]

juski:

you should _always_ run X at a flat panel's native resolution

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|Torg|:

max resolution for svideo is 352x576/480

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iamlindoro:

352 x 480, mmmmm, "hi-res"... Enterusername, your LCD is taking that 352x480 INTERLACED signal and scaling it to 1280x720 or whatever its resolution is... ergo, YUCK

[23:04:43]

EnterUserName:

juski: huh?

[23:04:59]

juski:

EnterUserName: whatever your TV's native resolution is, you should run X at that

[23:05:01]

EnterUserName:

Well there's a setting inmythtv to make the GUI setting different then the TV setting

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|Torg|:

480I = SD 480I=EDTV, neither is HD

[23:05:12]

EnterUserName:

i did that. Still had problems..

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|Torg|:

err 480P is EDTV

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juski:

EnterUserName: of course, if you don't use VGA, DVI or HDMI

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iamlindoro:

^^^ exactly

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EnterUserName:

Wait.. erk

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EnterUserName:

im using DVI

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iamlindoro:

s-video = a picture that looks like poop

[23:05:56]

EnterUserName:

for my LCD

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EnterUserName:

im using SVIDEO for my input from my cable.

[23:06:07]

juski:

right

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juski:

it's still gonna look icky scaled to HDTV res

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B5Duster:

garbage in = x

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EnterUserName:

so SVIDEO goes into the PVR-150 and my monitor is hooked to DVI

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iamlindoro:

ok, as previously mentioned, it's still blowing that standard def signal up to native resolution of your LCD

[23:06:42]

iamlindoro:

so it's taking 352x480 and steeeeetching it to 1280x720

[23:06:44]

EnterUserName:

Ok, then should I use cable input? what input would you suggest?

[23:06:46]

juski:

how many more people is it gonna take to convince you that crap in == crap out

[23:06:46]

iamlindoro:

er stretching

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|Torg|:

if you scale s-video to work on DVI it will look WORSE then if you simply try to output HDTV out s-video

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juski:

EnterUserName: get a HDTV source

[23:07:04]

** EnterUserName mutters. **

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nordle:

You'd do better to run dsub to dvi with a converter (if you cant put out dvi from myth box)

[23:07:09]

|Torg|:

pillarbox the output

[23:07:42]

iamlindoro:

you're outputting a low res source on a hi-res surface... it's gotta get there somehow

[23:07:55]

iamlindoro:

and however it does, it's going to look bad.

[23:08:04]

B5Duster:

EnterUserName: If your STB supports it you can look into exporting the HD mpeg stream via firewire

[23:08:08]

juski:

EnterUserName: it won't be helped if you don't run X at the native resolution of the panel

[23:08:21]

B5Duster:

EnterUserName: That's your best bet unless your HD tuner is in your mythbox

[23:08:21]

nordle:

dsub is essentially RGB analogue, so its like component. But DVI is better because the signal is already digital. Running vga->dvi will require an analogue to digi conversion and loss of quality.

[23:08:53]

|Torg|:

juski you dont HAVE to run the outoput at native resolution, in my case it dosnt even matter

[23:08:54]

juski:

nordle: RGB != 'like' component. sheesh

[23:08:54]

EnterUserName:

Heh i dont have an HD tuner..

[23:09:06]

juski:

|Torg|: I said it's BEST to

[23:09:37]

juski:

TVs are invariably crap at scaling themselves

[23:09:46]

iamlindoro:

then you probably can't get any better. Try playing the original space quest 1 on a monitor it was intended for, then play it in ScummVM on a big LCD... and you'll understand. :)

[23:09:48]

BULLE:

EnterUserName: do your cable/satellite provider broadcast digitaly to you ? in that case you can still dump the digital datastream directly to the harddrive

[23:09:58]

|Torg|:

hmm, I have 720P native DLP I run at 1080I, works fine

[23:10:10]

nordle:

juski: ehhh, who said that, wasnt me :) I meant in so much as the RGB siganls are analogue and seperate.

[23:10:12]

** B5Duster pines for space quest **

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EnterUserName:

BULLE: I use a Digital Box, (nonhd) Svideo into the pvr..

[23:10:33]

EnterUserName:

It isn't HD though neither is my lcd monitor.

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juski:

EnterUserName: you're asking too much, for svideo to look nice scaled to HD res

[23:10:43]

BULLE:

EnterUserName: so, dont use svideo into the pvr, if your box supports firewire connect it that way, otherwise get hold of a card that you can put in the computer that replaces the stb

[23:10:50]

ARfdee:

where can i get the ivtv driver since the website is down?

[23:10:53]

iamlindoro:

Enterusername: The short short answer is, if you're taking a standard def source and outputting it digitally onto a hi-res LCD, you can't get any better. That's the best it's gonna be.

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BULLE:

iamlindoro: except for the fact that he is loosing some quality, when he takes the digital stream, converts it to analog, and let the pvr 150 card digitalize it again

[23:11:27]

iamlindoro:

The best you can do is try to reduce noise and increase bitrate

[23:11:38]

iamlindoro:

Bulle: ergo my last :)

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juski:

and FWIW, in the USA there's no way to get satellite and/or most cable into a PC digitally

[23:11:56]

juski:

other than firewire of course, but even then...

[23:12:06]

juski:

legally I mean

[23:12:08]

BULLE:

juski: oh, i live in dvb land

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|Torg|:

like BULLE said, its like taking a copy machine and copying a piece of paper letting it resize the copy, then copyig that copy and resizing it again

[23:12:20]

juski:

Europe, the land of the free <3

[23:12:28]

BULLE:

juski: =D

[23:12:41]

BULLE:

juski: i think most of the world seems to go for dvb actualy, so europe isnt realy required

[23:12:43]

** B5Duster wishes he didn't have to deal with 5c encryption and 'fair use' **

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|Torg|:

and BULLE I live in dvb land too :P

[23:12:52]

iamlindoro:

ok, I go home. Night all. Hope I didn't offend anyone with my.. what did he call it?

[23:13:00]

BULLE:

iamlindoro: nighty!

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juski:

enormous mojo?

[23:13:17]

iamlindoro:

"typical elitist linux attitude"

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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juski:

oh. you told somebody to read a doc? ouch

[23:13:32]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro your not typical :P

[23:13:35]

B5Duster:

haha

[23:13:44]

iamlindoro:

yeah, this is *ATYPICAL* elitist attitude, hahaha

[23:13:47]

iamlindoro:

night

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juski:

night

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ARfdee:

juski: do you use ivtv driver?

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BULLE:

ARfdee: i do

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BULLE:

as well as the linux dvb drivers

[23:15:12]

ARfdee:

BULLE: apparently the 1.0.2 rpm package from atrpms is actually the 1.0.0 driver

[23:15:16]

juski:

yeah but I stuck with a version that just works (tm) so it matters not whether the site is up or down

[23:15:22]

ARfdee:

so i need to get a version

[23:15:34]

ARfdee:

juski: my module got upgraded when my kernel did

[23:15:47]

BULLE:

ARfdee: sorry, i havent uppgraded my mythbox for quite some time, and i wont as its generaly quite a lot of fiddling

[23:15:48]

juski:

and that 'just happened' (tm)

[23:15:50]

ARfdee:

dmesg and modinfo both say it's version 1.0.0 despite the rpm saying it's 1.0.2

[23:15:57]

BULLE:

juski: same here

[23:16:03]

ARfdee:

can't i get the source from somewhere

[23:16:03]

ARfdee:

?

[23:16:15]

juski:

yes. be patient & wait for the site to come back up

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juski:

oops. now I'll be getting called some elitist something or other

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ARfdee:

judger!

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BULLE:

juski: you elitist you!

[23:17:06]

ARfdee:

a more appropriate title would be poopie pants

[23:17:10]

juski:

and I just read back through my buffer – that guy YahooHenry or whatever – he'd googled for days trying to find how to defrag a linux partition? ffs

[23:17:37]

juski:

ARfdee: ffs – does it matter to me if your ivtv is broken til the ivtvdriver.org site is back up? ;)

[23:17:40]

B5Duster:

YahooAdam?

[23:17:44]

B5Duster:

or something to that effect

[23:18:03]

juski:

oh noes they didn't get slashdotted too did they?

[23:18:26]

ARfdee:

surely the latest source is available in .tar.gz format SOMEwhere

[23:18:27]

|Torg|:

hell I want to know what he did to his disk to make him think it needed to be defrag

[23:18:48]

ARfdee:

|Torg|: it seems i am using ivtv version 1.0.0 despite the rpm saying 1.0.2 from atrpms

[23:18:50]

juski:

ARfdee: all I've got it 0.4.6

[23:19:04]

juski:

s/it/is

[23:19:22]

juski:

but then I'm still running Bungee Badgerer or whatever

[23:19:32]

juski:

on a 2.6.15 kernel – ancient!

[23:19:32]

|Torg|:

ARfdee I dont use atrpms

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ARfdee:

do you realize how much easier it would have been to correct your mistake by just saying "is?"

[23:19:50]

** BULLE uses 0.10.1 **

[23:19:51]

ARfdee:

|Torg|: well, i can't get to the ivtc site right now

[23:19:55]

juski:

ARfdee: shut up

[23:20:13]

ARfdee:

5 less characters

[23:20:21]

juski:

shut up

[23:20:21]

ARfdee:

just trying to help

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B5Duster:

:)

[23:20:32]

ARfdee:

some people show no appreciation

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|Torg|:

ivtc site?

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juski:

my ignore list just got one line longer

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BULLE:

he means ivtv

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ARfdee:

ivtv yes

[23:20:57]

ARfdee:

juski: can give a joke but not take one?

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BULLE:

ARfdee: hey, i have an idea, check who registered the ivtvdriver.org domain, get that persons phonenumber, phone him/her and demand that they turn on the site again

[23:21:35]

juski:

their domain name is resolving to something, so at least it's not a DNS failure (maybe)

[23:21:36]

B5Duster:

:)

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ARfdee:

BULLE: i have an even better idea, since you thought of that great idea, you can call them!

[23:21:50]

BULLE:

ARfdee: i have no phone!

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ARfdee:

use skype!

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juski:

something as critical as that I doubt it'll be down too long

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BULLE:

i dont run spyware !

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|Torg|:

did you try #ivtv-dev?

[23:22:16]

ARfdee:

|Torg|: they can't access the site either

[23:22:20]

ARfdee:

BULLE: skype is spyware?

[23:22:36]

BULLE:

ARfdee: missed out the latest rants about it reading in files from /etc at startup ?

[23:22:51]

B5Duster:

Let's all ping it at once repeatedly – that'll speed things up

[23:22:58]

ARfdee:

apparently

[23:24:16]

B5Duster:

anybody using a via epia board in their mythbox?

[23:24:22]

juski:

I found some ivtv debs :)

[23:24:34]

juski:

B5Duster: yeah and boy do I ever wish I didn't. it's shite

[23:25:02]

juski:

Epia – don't do it. you should know better, honestly

[23:25:10]

BULLE:

juski: why, to little cpu power to handle mythtv ?

[23:25:21]

juski:

in theory it's enough. trouble is, it's not

[23:25:26]

juski:

or rather it can be

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juski:

depends on X driver versions, mythtv version, etc

[23:25:53]

B5Duster:

juski: I've been screwing with this box for years

[23:26:03]

juski:

safer just to get something with a real CPU & not have to rely on xvmc

[23:26:08]

BULLE:

main use i can see for an epia like box is to get one with two gigabit nicks and a pci slot, and stuff a wlan card there, and use it as a high performance router/firewall/sp

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BULLE:

s/sp/ap/

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B5Duster:

juski: Now I'm trying to get the dvi daughterboard to output hd resolutions correctly

[23:26:29]

juski:

B5Duster: HD? ROFL

[23:26:47]

juski:

sorry, mine can barely even play SDTV without s t u tt e r r i n g

[23:26:55]

BULLE:

hehe

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B5Duster:

the sp13000 isn't bad

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|Torg|:

yell BULLE I do that with a Geode 1100

[23:27:05]

B5Duster:

with xvmc running

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juski:

it's fine now, but if I upgrade to a newer version.. oooo poop

[23:27:16]

BULLE:

|Torg|: sounds nice

[23:27:22]

juski:

I can use xvmc, or I can deinterlace, not both

[23:27:30]

BULLE:

juski: ouch

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|Torg|:

its nothing special, just a microlinux distro running as a firewall

[23:27:46]

juski:

and using 95% CPU to play SDTV mpeg2 is not really what I'd call a 1Ghz CPU

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|Torg|:

go lok up WRAP there fairly easy to make

[23:28:02]

B5Duster:

I may just ditch this board (and its predecessor) and turn them into thin clients or car pcs

[23:28:25]

juski:

so yeah roll one up into a low power NAS/AP/router/firewall/whatever – but they're no good for HTPCs, sorry

[23:28:26]

B5Duster:

juski: That doesn't sound right

[23:28:39]

juski:

B5Duster: it IS right for EPIA systems

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B5Duster:

I'll agree with that

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B5Duster:

what series?

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juski:

a *real* 1GHz CPU on the other hand.. that's a different story

[23:29:08]

juski:

epia M10k

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B5Duster:

because mine will do mpeg2 playback at 15% cpu with xvmc

[23:29:23]

B5Duster:

ohhh

[23:29:25]

juski:

oh yeah so will mine, with xvmc

[23:29:36]

juski:

even less sometimes

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juski:

when it's not stutterring & being crap

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|Torg|:

EPIA PX 10000

[23:30:37]

juski:

I tried ditching minimyth for a bit & went with ubuntu – which was great apart from digital audio regularly deciding to (randomly) not work

[23:30:44]

B5Duster:

I had a M series too – no hardware accel so I bought an SP – should have just gave via the finger

[23:30:57]

B5Duster:

though I do love the cyrix procs

[23:31:14]

juski:

there is no substitute for a real CPU

[23:31:32]

B5Duster:

I went from knoppmyth to ubuntu – ubuntu fixed a lot of the unichrome issues I was running into

[23:31:36]

|Torg|:

sure there is real DSP :)

[23:31:58]

juski:

oh yeah

[23:32:08]

juski:

not these crappy Via GPUs though

[23:32:37]

juski:

I've had it up to here (points at his forehead) with Via rubbish

[23:33:17]

juski:

I have a little celeron 733M box with 128MB RAM which performs better than my epia m10k

[23:33:28]

juski:

much better

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juski:

cpu usage with xvmc playing mpeg2 and not stutterring is over 50%

[23:33:58]

BULLE:

and todays core 2 intel thingies are pretty cheap, and dont use that much power, and provide lots of cpu power

[23:34:02]

juski:

with a later version the cpu usage is more like 15% but it's not fluid playback

[23:34:14]

juski:

go figure *that* out

[23:34:50]

B5Duster:

indeed

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juski:

so I've got a version which just works, but it's not ideal. if I can't figure out what's up with it in time for minimyth based on 0.21, it's gonna have to go

[23:35:11]

B5Duster:

anybody mess with 'linuxmce' yet?

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juski:

didn't the video put you off?

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|Torg|:

the epia juski? maybe the video is on a bridge and cant access that fast?

[23:35:29]

Jenetik:

is there a way to normalize sound volume in myth?

[23:35:39]

juski:

|Torg|: previous versions performed much better

[23:35:41]

juski:

Jenetik: no

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juski:

Jenetik: I mean YES, but it's complicated & involves JACK

[23:36:02]

B5Duster:

juski: Sure, but the featurelist was impressive

[23:36:06]

Jenetik:

got a URL for docs?

[23:36:11]

juski:

Jenetik: nope

[23:36:16]

juski:

nobody's documented it yet

[23:37:04]

Jenetik:

how do I do it

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juski:

I dunno. try reading the JACk docs & see where you go from there

[23:39:40]

Jenetik:

alright

[23:40:21]

Jenetik:

jackeq – routes and manipulates audio from/to multiple sources

[23:40:26]

Jenetik:

use that probably?

[23:40:26]

juski:

I just found an OK guide to getting jack working in ubuntu

[23:40:33]

Jenetik:

juski: URL?

[23:40:50]

juski:

I used google

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Jenetik:

I was looking on google but didnt see much

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Jenetik:

URL>?

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ARfdee:

help

[23:41:44]

Jenetik:

911

[23:41:46]

ARfdee:

i ran make from ivtv/driver dir and it only compiles ivtv-fb, not ivtv

[23:44:47]

juski:

jackd, jackeq, jack-rack & jack-tools look likely

[23:45:27]

Jenetik:

can you give me the url for ubuntu?

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juski:

JFGI

[23:45:52]

Jenetik:

fuck you

[23:45:55]

ARfdee:

juski is being a jerk to everyone today, it seems

[23:46:00]

ARfdee:

he blocks me when i joke back with him

[23:46:02]

Jenetik:

who gives a fuck

[23:46:04]

ARfdee:

it's like jr high all over again

[23:46:23]

juski:

you're a right charmer aren't you?

[23:46:29]

|Torg|:

give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

[23:46:42]

ARfdee:

|Torg|: not sure how that fits in with him blocking me

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** B5Duster goes to smoke in the boy's room **

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** juski poisons the water **

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ARfdee:

after he tells me he doesn't give a whatever if ivtv is down for me

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|Torg|:

you probably pissed him off or something

[23:47:29]

|Torg|:

id feal honored, I try to piss him off reguraly, he still wont add me to his ignore list :P

[23:47:31]

ARfdee:

|Torg|: no, he gave me a digg and i did it back and he got offended and put me on ignore

[23:47:50]

ARfdee:

|Torg|: do you use ivtv?

[23:47:54]

|Torg|:

nope

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Jenetik:

he put you on ignore?!?!

[23:48:20]

Jenetik:

FUCK DUDE

[23:48:23]

ARfdee:

he put me on ignore

[23:48:39]

floppyears:

shouldn't he have the right to do that ?

[23:48:41]

|Torg|:

are you sure? can you see his ignore list?

[23:48:49]

Jenetik:

yeah, you're on it

[23:48:54]

ARfdee:

floppyears: did someone say he shouldn't have the right to do it?

[23:48:58]

|Torg|:

besides it his client, he can ignore whomever you like

[23:49:00]

ARfdee:

|Torg|: yes, i can

[23:49:06]

floppyears:

anyways, not sure is worth the bits discussing it

[23:49:12]

floppyears:

ARfdee: then why did you bring it up

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Jenetik:

quit wasting my bandwidth

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ARfdee:

floppyears: compared to the other things in here, it's certainly higher on the totem pole

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ARfdee:

Jenetik: weren't you the one just screaming at the channel?

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juski:

oh wow man this is way easier than I thought

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Jenetik:

screaming?

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ARfdee:

yes, they do call caps screaming, or shouting

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ARfdee:

and demanding people google for you?

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ARfdee:

now you are saying others are wasting bandwidth?

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Jenetik:

check this out

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floppyears:

haha

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juski:

bye bye

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|Torg|:

damn that was quick

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ARfdee:

im confused, does the new ivtv have the name ivtv-fb.ko?

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juski:

who has that kind of ascii art lying around ready to be unleashed?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't mind frsutrated outburts but that was getting ridiculous

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ARfdee:

juski: it's called /figlet

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GreyFoxx:

he'll be back in a minute using adifferent host or something calling me a f*g I'm sure

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx I was actaly in awe, I asnt chastizing :P

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** juski has a nice rack **

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ARfdee:

GreyFoxx: do you use ivtv?

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juski:

a nice effects rack I mean ;)

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GreyFoxx:

ARfdee: for capture only

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|Torg|:

but you DO have a nice rack juski

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ARfdee:

GreyFoxx: me too, have you used the recent source?

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ARfdee:

i have the 1.0.2 source and i compile the driver but it only generates ivtv-fb.ko

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GreyFoxx:

ARfdee: Nope, several months behind

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|Torg|:

ARfdee did you try installing the module?

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ARfdee:

|Torg|: yes, and when i do modprobe it does this

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: 1.0.x does not contain the driver.. 1.0.x is designed for the 2.6.22 and higher kernel, which has ivtv built into the kernel sources

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ARfdee:

http://pastebin.ca/674179

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|Torg|:

ARfdee did you try depmod -a after you put that into the modules directory?

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: ivtv-fb is for the pvr-350 video output only

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|Torg|:

or for that matter if you do what Cardoe said simply upgrade your kernel

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: oh

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Cardoe:

if you don't have a 2.6.22 or higher kernel, you should be using 0.10.x

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ARfdee:

i am using 2.6.22.4

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Cardoe:

so ivtv is built inside of your kernel

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ARfdee:

however, the ivtv module i was using appeared to have been 1.0.0

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ARfdee:

and it was very very buggy and have dma issues

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Cardoe:

you can either downgrade your kernel

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Cardoe:

and use ivtv 0.10.x

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Cardoe:

or wait for a new kernel release with updates

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ARfdee:

well, i thought 1.0.2 was out

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Cardoe:

which does not contain the driver

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Cardoe:

only the framebuffer driver for the pvr-350

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Cardoe:

and the utilities

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ARfdee:

how do i get the driver for 1.0.2?

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Cardoe:

you wait for a new kernel

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Cardoe:

there is no "1.0.2" driver

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ARfdee:

well, i should be able to just get ivtv.c and ivtv.h

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ARfdee:

and compile the module, shouldn't i?

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Cardoe:

if you say so

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: im not trying to convince you of anything, i'm asking a question

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Cardoe:

same answer I have been giving since I started

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: but that's not correct, that's why they have numerous pages that tell you how to compile individual kernel modules

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B5Duster:

I suppose I should write off the last 3 years of messing with via boards as a sunk cost

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ARfdee:

the driver may have been fixed recently so i can get those two files from whatever dev kernel fixed it

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ARfdee:

Cardoe: i am getting these errors

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ARfdee:

ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT

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ARfdee:

apparently this was fixed recently in svn or something

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B5Duster:

and just buy a decent standard form-factor board

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Cardoe:

ARfdee: get git, pull the latest v4l kernel tree

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