Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, August 27th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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MrSassyPants:

;_;

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my2keh:

Perdignus>> if I'm not mistaken, they are working on revamping it

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MrSassyPants:

MythWeather reported me temperatures of -34Â°C in my vincinity, and crashed when I asked for fahrenheit, so... lets say I won't miss it :p

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my2keh:

should the revision of my mythtv/ match the revision of mythplugins/

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my2keh:

?

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my2keh:

ie mythtv = 14304 and mythplugins = 14313

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: I think, in general, that's the best situation (revision matching).

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my2keh:

and when I do "make install"

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my2keh:

I'm assuming mythfront/backend should be stopped?

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NightMonkey:

OMG. www.dishnetwork.com really sucks for Firefox users, and those who use Flash for Linux. :/

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my2keh:

haha

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Perdignus:

Is the MythWeb Flash Player a seperate plug-in install or should it be somewhere in MythWeb ?

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kash:

look on wiki

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kash:

it's notincluded

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my2keh:

shoot!

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my2keh:

still not working

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my2keh:

time to read the directions I guess

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my2keh:

i'm guessing everyone is getting listings in the mythweb program guide eh?

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my2keh:

i must be the only one

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iamlindoro:

Erase your mythweb directory and recopy, don't just copy over the old one

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my2keh:

ohhh

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my2keh:

i just copied over

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iamlindoro:

I'd love to take credit but juski helped me with that one

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NightMonkey:

Perdignus: I thought I heard that there's work on streaming via FLV in mythweb in trunk, but I may be mistaken. The wiki lists non-trunk patches, tho. YMMV.

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iamlindoro:

Night:http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3394

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|Torg|:

actually removing the directory and reching out the svn or recreating the data is generlaly a good way to fix stange things in myth. Its why I advoate making packages and uninstalling first before you isntall new software

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fer_:

GreyFoxx, are you there?!

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> are you sure ur not a telemarketer for packages?

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my2keh:

damn

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my2keh:

no offence heh

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|Torg|:

no I just get royalites from them :P

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my2keh:

i'm starting to think so

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|Torg|:

I wish

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iamlindoro:

I too get money for my package

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro we dont talk about prostution here

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iamlindoro:

Hey it's a living

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|Torg|:

oldest one on the books

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my2keh:

iamlindoro>> FYI, the delete then recopy worked!

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iamlindoro:

Good good

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my2keh:

can you fix my mythvideo too?

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my2keh:

heh

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iamlindoro:

What's wrong with that?

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my2keh:

after upgrading, I can't get into it

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my2keh:

2007-08–26 20:28:07.411 MythPlugin::init() dlerror: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN18ConfigurationGroup6byNameE7QString

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my2keh:

2007-08–26 20:28:07.411 Unable to initialize plugin 'mythvideo'.

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iamlindoro:

Are you sure it compiled properly when you compiled mythplugins?

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iamlindoro:

when you configured mythfplugins, did it show that everything would be built?

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|Torg|:

did you compile mythtv, install it, THEN compile mythplugins?

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my2keh:

iamlindoro>> yes

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my2keh:

|Torg|>> yes

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iamlindoro:

go to your mythplugins source code directory, do a "make clean", then a "./configure" and paste the output of ./configure

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my2keh:

k sec

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my2keh:

should I do ./configure --disable-all --enable-mythvideo ?

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|Torg|:

make distclean

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my2keh:

I only want mythvideo

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my2keh:

http://www.pastebin.ca/671846

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|Torg|:

my2keh http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3838

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|Torg|:

oops no

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|Torg|:

holdon

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|Torg|:

yea thats the right one, sorry

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iamlindoro:

were both checked out of SVN at the same time?

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EnterUserName:

hey

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my2keh:

iamlindoro>> pretty much yeah

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iamlindoro:

"pretty much"?

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|Torg|:

svn info

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my2keh:

they do however have different revision numbers

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my2keh:

iamlindoro>> one right after they other

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EnterUserName:

Where is the documentation on how to set up schedules direct?

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EnterUserName:

do ih ave to upgrade my mythtv?

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my2keh:

not exactly the same time

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|Torg|:

my2keh do not, under any circumstances install two differnt revisons of mythtv and mythplugins

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|Torg|:

svn co -r <revision>

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iamlindoro:

Yep, getting the same revision is a good start

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|Torg|:

bakrev, uprev one or the other

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my2keh:

ok, maybe it's the theme thing too though

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my2keh:

I'm using the MePo theme

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|Torg|:

ahh yes MePo sucks :P

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my2keh:

hey, my wife likes it

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my2keh:

so I like it

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|Torg|:

so does mine, I prefer blootube

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iamlindoro:

EW

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|Torg|:

hence why I said it sucks

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iamlindoro:

blootube is the onnnnnnnnnly one I can stand

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iamlindoro:

Well, grayhem isn't half bad but I prefer blootube

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|Torg|:

we talk tank badlky about blootune when juski isnt here

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my2keh:

how do I clean out my theme cache?

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iamlindoro:

FrazelHD could be good, but has anyone ever seen it in action? How long has it been "in development?"

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|Torg|:

rm ~/.mythtv/themecache

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iamlindoro:

Looks like one of juski's almost

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EnterUserName:

can the 0.20

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EnterUserName:

use schedules direct?

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my2keh:

should I be out of mythfrontend? like restart it?

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iamlindoro:

.20.2 can

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|Torg|:

any version that can use xmltv scripts can

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iamlindoro:

it's theoretically possible to make version work with it, but you'll be on your own

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|Torg|:

yes my2keh you need to restart the frontend to reload in new plugins

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my2keh:

k

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my2keh:

doing that

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my2keh:

ok, clearing the theme cache didn't make mythvideo work

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my2keh:

compiling the mythplugins now

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EnterUserName:

umm

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EnterUserName:

does anyone here run mythtv and gentoo

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EnterUserName:

the latest version..

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** EnterUserName wonders when the next version will be avaialble.. **

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W6SN:

supposedly they changed it to use svn

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EnterUserName:

erk i didntr sync

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W6SN:

i'm testing now

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W6SN:

emerging mythtv now

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NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: Uh, it has been available for a few days now.

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W6SN:

i'll let you know

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . iew_threaded

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EnterUserName:

lol

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EnterUserName:

I didnt sync

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EnterUserName:

thats why i dont see it lol

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W6SN:

nightmonkey: not through portage though

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EnterUserName:

what

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W6SN:

at least the latest version isn't 'tagged' as such

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NightMonkey:

W6SN: Yes, through portage.

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iamlindoro:

Torg: Saw that last night, but ultimately found it far easier just to upgrade myth

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NightMonkey:

W6SN: And not even an overlay. ;)

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W6SN:

wait. wtf. i synced this morning, and it wasn't there ;)

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** EnterUserName is syncing now **

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NightMonkey:

W6SN: It is masked, however.

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W6SN:

eh, i already pull those in

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my2keh:

hmmm still get this:

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my2keh:

2007-08–26 20:55:23.774 MythPlugin::init() dlerror: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN18ConfigurationGroup6byNameE7QString

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my2keh:

2007-08–26 20:55:23.774 Unable to initialize plugin 'mythvideo'.

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro I found that after I compiled 14303, its just part of the slumming the boards I do

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my2keh:

undefined symbol!

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|Torg|:

well identify it :P

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my2keh:

duu-uhh

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iamlindoro:

My2keh, why don't you try going into your setting and changing mythvideo's directory to something else, then see if it will start...

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|Torg|:

run ldd against it, see if any libs are unresolved

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my2keh:

iamlindoro>> where would that setting be?

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my2keh:

just FYI, I tried changing themse, and mythvideo won't load either

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iamlindoro:

In the Utilities/setup – > Setup -> Media Settings -> Video Settings -> General (or something like that)

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my2keh:

won't let me in there:

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my2keh:

2007-08–26 20:58:36.546 Unable to configure plugin 'mythvideo': not initialized

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my2keh:

2007-08–26 20:58:39.541 MythPlugin::init() dlerror: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythvideo.so: undefined symbol: _ZN18ConfigurationGroup6byNameE7QString

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iamlindoro:

OK WE KNOW THE EROR MESSAGE

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iamlindoro:

sheesh

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my2keh:

sorry

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iamlindoro:

heh

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my2keh:

heh

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: Sounds like you need to re-compile the mythplugins. Or your distro's plugins aren't built against the version of mythtv you've installed.

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my2keh:

just making sure ;)

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centinul:

Is there some sort of just MythDVD / MythVideo derivative?

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GreyFoxx:

centinul: How do you mean?

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EnterUserName:

1cWZL.ahbqQSc

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EnterUserName:

its makes

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my2keh:

NightMonkey>> I've recompiled the plugins a few times

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EnterUserName:

[M]~0.20.2_p14282

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GreyFoxx:

A different video menu syste m ?

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W6SN:

what's the error message?

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EnterUserName:

its masked..

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W6SN:

i didn't get it

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EnterUserName:

why?

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W6SN:

EnterUserName: so unmask it :P

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EnterUserName:

umm

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EnterUserName:

how do you unmask red masks

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EnterUserName:

its red masked..

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centinul:

GreyFoxx: I would like to have an application to manage a DVD repository. In essence I want to hook up a computer to my LCD TV be able to browse all the movies on the PC through a graphical interface with cover art and play any move from my collection. I would like to have DVD menu support as well.

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my2keh:

this is what I'm doing to make the plguins:

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my2keh:

qmake mythplugins.pro

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W6SN:

/etc/portage/package.unmask

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my2keh:

make; make install

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EnterUserName:

no that unmask the brown one

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EnterUserName:

not red ones right?

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my2keh:

./configure first of course

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W6SN:

put =media-tv/mythtv-0.20.2_p14282

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W6SN:

then emerge -pv =media-tv/mythtv-0.20.2_p14282

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NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: /etc/portage/package.unmask (see "man portage")

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GreyFoxx:

centinul: Ok why not just use mythvideo ?

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my2keh:

mythvideo is broken for some :p

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centinul:

GreyFoxx: I'm not sure of the best method to put the DVDs on the PC and be able to play them bac kwith menu support... MythTV seems like a good thing to use but I don't want the whole package...

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centinul:

anyone have any other ideas?

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GreyFoxx:

centinul:myth supports menus will even rip them and suck in the imdb info

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GreyFoxx:

my2keh: It looks like you have mismatching libraries in your mythtv install

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my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> I matched the svn revisions though?

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centinul:

GreyFoxx: so MythDVD can rip a DVD and preserve menus?

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GreyFoxx:

centinul: yes

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my2keh:

is that good?

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centinul:

GReyFoxx: how is the quality of the rips?

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c3d:

hey guys, having some issues getting my nvidia tv-out to cooperate

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GreyFoxx:

centinul: Well, if it's a perfect ISO rip, which would have the menus it would be "perfect" :)

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GreyFoxx:

my2keh: When you compile myth from source did you specific a different prefix ?

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centinul:

I realize that but I wouldn't have the space for an entire collection of 8GB movies

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: Did you follow the instructions here: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 ?

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c3d:

have nvidia 7300 card that is outputting over component to 1080i capable tv

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Esine:

c3d, name your problem

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c3d:

anyone have any experience with nvidia tv-out ?

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GreyFoxx:

because if your library is in /usr/lib then either you specified it or you have another version installed as well

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c3d:

well, the picture looks decent, but it only takes up half the screen

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my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> --prefix=/usr

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my2keh:

NightMonkey>> let me check

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Esine:

c3d, me.. download the newest NVIDIA proprietary drivers from www.nvdia.com and nvidia-settings utility

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c3d:

i did

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Esine:

c3d, you can change the TV overscan with it

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my2keh:

I'm following the instructions from the README

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Esine:

with nvidia-settings

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EnterUserName:

erk W3N how do you do the = thing again

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c3d:

just got the card today

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W6SN:

=media-tv/mythtv-0.20.2_p14282

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centinul:

GreyFoxx: Is there anyway to get a minimal MythTV install with just MythDVD and MythVideo?

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my2keh:

NightMonkey>> yes, I'm following those instructions

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my2keh:

except it doesn't say how to build the plugins

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GreyFoxx:

centinul: if you compile the plugins to can specify the specific plugins you want or don't want

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Esine:

c3d, I know next to nothing about TV and Video but overscan seems to be like zooming. I had to do that to fit the image fully to my TV

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GreyFoxx:

doubt you will get that with packages

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centinul:

GreyFoxx: but I don't need the TV features of the main MythTV package

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mikearthur:

anyone in Ipswich or using the UK sudbury transmitter?

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GreyFoxx:

centinul: They are not optional

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c3d:

ok, let me try out nvidia-settings

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GreyFoxx:

centinul: You could edit the themes to hide the menu items if it came down to it

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W6SN:

yes, overscan is essentially similar to that

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centinul:

GreyFoxx: That is not a bad idea... I just hate having more than I need

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|Torg|:

you could get away with the frontend and the database, mostly the settings and the video libray

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NightMonkey:

Hrm, does trunk automagically compile the plugins, given the directory structure given in the official docs, with a "./configure; make; make install"?

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|Torg|:

it would be a sorta silly way to use myth tho

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EnterUserName:

still wont work..

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GreyFoxx:

centinul: You are talking a couple hundred k of diskspace. It's as close to nothing as you are gonna get

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W6SN:

EnterUserName: are you emerging the explicit package?

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GreyFoxx:

NightMonkey: It should as long as the source was installed first

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EnterUserName:

ya

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EnterUserName:

its complainign

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my2keh:

I did install the source

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my2keh:

heh

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centinul:

GreyFoxx: Okay... is there any tutorial on MythDVD.. I can't seem to find one

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W6SN:

what error this time?

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GreyFoxx:

centinul: No idea if there is or not

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Phantom1000:

Any Gentoo users around? I just upgraded to 20.2_p14282 and it looks like all of the plugins wound up in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb. I can't believe that's whats supposed to happen, or is it?

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: Did you remove any distro-installed packages before installing via source?

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my2keh:

NightMonkey>> I compiled it from source last time too

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centinul:

GreyFoxx: Do you know how MythDVD actually stores the files and information in the database?

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: Did you run "make uninstall" for that previous install?

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EnterUserName:

Umm

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GreyFoxx:

MythLogBot: Here's what you do. shutdown all myth apps if they are running, delete /usr/lib/libmyth* ; remove /usr/include/mythtv

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EnterUserName:

give me a paste bint o paste it to

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GreyFoxx:

go to the source and do amake distclean

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my2keh:

NightMonkey>> Unfortunatly I did not keep the src from previous install :(

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GreyFoxx:

rerun configure and make install

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EnterUserName:

le tme emerge portage first

[01:11:09]

EnterUserName:

i have an older oen

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GreyFoxx:

then go to mythplugins, make distclean ; ./configure; make install

[01:11:53]

my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> was that for me?

[01:11:56]

NightMonkey:

Phantom1000: Huh, didn't happen for me. Put the output of "equery f mythweb" to a pastebin, plz.

[01:12:11]

GreyFoxx:

my2keh: yeah, sorry

[01:12:22]

my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> so I don't need to do a make first?

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Sudanmas:

Howdy all – I just setup a brand spanking new myth system under fedora core 6, and it worked fine for about five minutes, now when I test it, all tv channels display static. I know the card is working as I booted from my old FC2 hard drive and the card works fine

[01:12:32]

EnterUserName:

damnit

[01:12:34]

EnterUserName:

merge!

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GreyFoxx:

my2keh: make install implies make

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my2keh:

ok! :)

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GreyFoxx:

but sure, do a make first

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my2keh:

FYI, I think I've done this before

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EnterUserName:

W3

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EnterUserName:

can u give me a paste

[01:13:14]

EnterUserName:

bn

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EnterUserName:

in

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EnterUserName:

its saying due to change that requires pluginr ebuild

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NightMonkey:

Phantom1000: Ah, whoah. It *did* happen for me! That looks like a bug that needs to be filed in Gentoo's bugzilla.

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my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> fyi, this is my configure line ./configure --disable-all --enable-mythvideo

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Inssomniak:

anyone have any idea when I use irrecord it records the same code for every button?

[01:14:13]

Phantom1000:

NightMonkey: Thanks for the confirmation. I thought I was going crazy.

[01:15:17]

NightMonkey:

Phantom1000: Unfortunately the Gentoo mythtv devs aren't in #gentoo-mythtv, so bugzilla is the way to go.

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W6SN:

uh oh. bug? ewww

[01:15:46]

W6SN:

verdammt.

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NightMonkey:

Phantom1000: Shouldn't harm anything, since you've protected your mythweb from the world, right? ;) And it's just source, not binaries. Still, disconcerting...

[01:16:53]

my2keh:

Should I get any type of "success" message after doing the make install?

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GreyFoxx:

MythLogBot: You should be back at the prompt with no errors immediately above it

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W6SN:

heh

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my2keh:

k heh

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|Torg|:

yes loadtime should drop dramicly

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my2keh:

i'm assuming that's me;)

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GreyFoxx:

yeah darn autocomplete

[01:18:08]

my2keh:

ok..I'll restart mythfrontend

[01:18:32]

my2keh:

bah

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my2keh:

same damn error message

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GreyFoxx:

I told you what to do

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my2keh:

I did it too!

[01:18:49]

Phantom1000:

NightMonkey: It's protected. But accessing /mythweb now provides a directory listing and the new mythweb directory winds up a in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/mythweb

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my2keh:

./configure;make;make install;

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GreyFoxx:

You did ALL of it ? Delted the installed libs, recompiled mythtv from scratch and such that fast ?

[01:19:07]

my2keh:

a monkey could do it

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my2keh:

ohh woah woah woah

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx he has a 12 box distcc farm :P

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my2keh:

I missed that part

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my2keh:

it was directed at MythLogBot

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EnterUserName:

i had to usee the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS option

[01:20:11]

my2keh:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

:)

[01:21:17]

my2keh:

so basically reinstall myth

[01:21:19]

my2keh:

ugh

[01:21:28]

my2keh:

i just did that

[01:21:35]

my2keh:

earlier today

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my2keh:

heh

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c3d:

well, now i have it full screen, but the picture is black and white

[01:22:05]

NightMonkey:

Phantom1000: Gah, I'm trying to figure out why my mythweb *still works*.

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c3d:

actually, i guess a bluish color would be a better description

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my2keh:

I'll have to leave that for another night

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fer_:

GreyFoxx, please send me a pm. thanks

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my2keh:

anyone notice this new "Watch List" under "All Programs" ?

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GreyFoxx:

my2keh: IT's been there a long time in trunk :)

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my2keh:

ohh well I wasn't running trunk before

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NightMonkey:

Phantom1000: Ah, ok, now I made it break. I'm going back to the last revision I had.

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|Torg|:

yes my2keh for maybe 8 months now

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NightMonkey:

Phantom1000: 0.20.1_p14269 works.

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my2keh:

i wanna get rid of it

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my2keh:

heh

[01:26:22]

** EnterUserName is doing it now **

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adante:

does the current svn segfault for anyone else?

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EnterUserName:

NightMOnkey: did you ahve to use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS otpion?

[01:26:54]

EnterUserName:

my package.unmask didnt work

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Phantom1000:

NightMonkey: Great. I'll give that a shot then. Thanks

[01:27:17]

NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: Nope.

[01:27:20]

EnterUserName:

odd

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EnterUserName:

why doesnt package.unmask not work for me lol :)

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NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: I'll pastebin the additions I made. One sec.

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my2keh:

Is there any way to put videos into the Watch Recordings screen, instead of Watch Videos?

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NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: Ah, wait, yes, you do have to add mythtv and plugins and mythweb to /etc/portage/package.keywords, too.

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EnterUserName:

CAn you pastebin the files

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NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: Here's my /etc/portage/package.unmask additions: http://pastebin.ca/671885

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EnterUserName:

i think i did that too

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EnterUserName:

psatebin both..

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c_plus_plus:

I need help.

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c_plus_plus:

i cannot get my sound to function properly

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EnterUserName:

NIghtmonkey: thats odd I didnt know they were seperate...

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EnterUserName:

i thought they were use flags that did that. its been awhile since i merged it :)

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EnterUserName:

thank you :)

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NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: /etc/portage/package.keywords: http://pastebin.ca/671886

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EnterUserName:

thank you night monkey :)

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NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: No problem. :)

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NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: Watch out for the mythweb problems discussed above.

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c_plus_plus:

i need help getting my sound to work right now, it is live and i cant find how to make it record it intead

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NightMonkey:

Phantom1000: Are you filing a Gentoo bug?

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Phantom1000:

NightMonkey: I was working on one, but haven't done it before. So it will take awhile for me to do it. Any chance of you posting it?

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NightMonkey:

Phantom1000: Yeah, I'll do it.

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Phantom1000:

Nightmonkey: Thanks

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** EnterUserName wishes Zapit never clsoed bah :) **

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EnterUserName:

NightMonkey: its not automatically upgrading my plugins

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EnterUserName:

what the heck?

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NightMonkey:

EnterUserName: You may need to unmerge them, and re-emerge.

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burgandy:

what would cause a recording to abort?

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floppyears:

hi guys

[02:08:14]

floppyears:

I have an old dvd reader and it works perfectly fine in my debian server I just tried it there

[02:08:28]

floppyears:

I took it out, and put it in my functioning mythtv box

[02:08:36]

floppyears:

and it hangs before it shows the grub bootloader

[02:09:08]

floppyears:

when it first posts, the screen says the correct cpu & memory & the dvd as an ide1

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floppyears:

but when grub is supposed to show, it hangs, and I get a blank screen & blinking cursor

[02:09:35]

floppyears:

any clues on what could be causing this ?

[02:11:18]

Phantom1000:

floopyears: BIOS boot order? I've had some issues with the DVD/CD being listed before the HD causing a hang

[02:13:15]

floppyears:

ok, I'll check that

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TheAsp:

floppyears: ide? maybe ti doesn't like being a master/slave with another drive of yours

[02:14:51]

TheAsp:

though cd/dvd's should be alone in ide, io errors can lock up the channel

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floppyears:

it's the only ide device that I have

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floppyears:

my hd is sata

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floppyears:

I had a cd reader instead before and it worked fine :(

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floppyears:

they were both set to be master by the cd pin

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floppyears:

and they were both connected using the same ide cable and power cable :(

[02:17:32]

floppyears:

it's just that the dvd rom for some reason makes the pc hang before grub shows up

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TheAsp:

probably changed the hd order, grub got confused

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floppyears:

but the hd is sata

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TheAsp:

yes

[02:22:12]

TheAsp:

exactly

[02:22:20]

TheAsp:

it may count your ide devices first

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Raspberry:

I'm having trouble getting lirc to register the key presses on the remote ... The remote receiver's red light now flashes when I press buttons, but still can't get irw or mode2 to recognize the buttons...

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Raspberry:

floppyears, if you disconnect the CDROM IDE cable — does the box boot normally since you first installed it?

[02:24:45]

Raspberry:

it being the DVD-drive

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floppyears:

yes it books perfectly without the dvd-rom

[02:27:18]

Raspberry:

how old is the DVD-drive?

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tjcarter:

why on earth are you people buying IDE optical drives?

[02:27:27]

** tjcarter shudders **

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Raspberry:

does it auto-detect properly in the bios?

[02:28:09]

Raspberry:

have you tried turning off DMA support?

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floppyears:

hmm, a couple of years

[02:28:27]

floppyears:

and it works perfectly with my debian machine I just tried it

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floppyears:

tjcarter: it was a present

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Raspberry:

floppyears, have you tried it on the OTHER IDE channel?

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floppyears:

and I've had it for a while, I want to get some use out of it

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tjcarter:

I have discovered that the modern SATA system can be set up ALMOST as nicely as a Mac in terms of cable routing

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floppyears:

Raspberry: if by that you mean both sides of the cable (master & slave) then yes

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tjcarter:

I say almost because the ATX PSU is still a fekking nightmare.

[02:29:39]

floppyears:

Raspberry: in the bios when it first boots up, it detects it perfectly and is assigned ide 0

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burgandy:

what would cause a recording to abort?

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Raspberry:

burgandy, out of disk space?

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Raspberry:

burgandy, loss of signal on that channel / station ... mythtv-backend crashing... override by user to watch another station...

[02:31:33]

burgandy:

nope

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tjcarter:

I have been sorely tempted to look for more PSUs with removable power cables and clean up the whole mess.

[02:31:59]

W6SN:

i like those

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burgandy:

nope on the space question

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burgandy:

no loss of signal

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Raspberry:

burgandy, then check the logs

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tjcarter:

W6SN: they are nice, but they don't always have quite what I want.

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Raspberry:

have mythtv log what it's doing

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burgandy:

for an override: will simply "watching tv" cause the scheduled recording not to record?

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tjcarter:

W6SN: It's one of the things I like about Apple's tower machines of the past 4–5 years.

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Raspberry:

burgandy, yes — if you did not answer the "do you want to switch" question before a show on another channel (that you wanted to record) started

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burgandy:

nah

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burgandy:

we think when one of our computers froze while watching tv

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tjcarter:

W6SN: Each drive bay features signal and power directly to the bay in question.

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burgandy:

it never freed the encoder

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Raspberry:

that could od it too

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burgandy:

but the status did not show it

[02:34:30]

Raspberry:

so any ideas on how to troubleshoot a non-responsive ir receiver / remote

[02:34:38]

burgandy:

and

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Raspberry:

I went through the install guide on mythtv.org

[02:34:53]

burgandy:

it seems to have aborted only 3 shows out of the 4

[02:35:12]

Raspberry:

lsusb remote the device... Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0609:0334 SMK Manufacturing, Inc.

[02:35:14]

floppyears:

does anybody have an idea what would make grub not show up because I insert a dvd rom ?

[02:35:21]

Raspberry:

but /proc/bus/usb is empty...

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tjcarter:

It could be done with a redesign for ATX, but it would require that ATX cases provide the power wires themselves and that the PSU simply plug in the back into an existing wiring harness.

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W6SN:

that's nice, tjcarter

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Raspberry:

i thought atx is going away anyway

[02:37:09]

tjcarter:

If I were designing HTPC specs, I'd absolutely do it that way.

[02:37:47]

tjcarter:

Raspberry: I don't see evidence of that, and I really don't see evidence that the replacement any less of a rat's nest of thermal unhappiness ;)

[02:38:15]

Raspberry:

well maybe when they finish perfecting wireless electricity transfers we'll all be happy

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tjcarter:

This is one of the few things Apple has completely solved though, which is why I bring it up.

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W6SN:

one of the plusses to having everything maintained by a central entity

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Raspberry:

so why isn't it implemented PC-side? if apple has anything to do with it, I'd say it's patent related...

[02:39:57]

tjcarter:

because they design the motherboard, case, and PSU, all of the cables run along the non-open side of the case.

[02:40:15]

tjcarter:

nah, there's no patent in tucking cables out of the way

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W6SN:

heh

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W6SN:

you'd be surprised

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tjcarter:

It's more to do with the whitebox nature of the PC

[02:41:25]

tjcarter:

In the case of the early IBM and Compaq PCs, cables ran exactly where they needed to.

[02:41:39]

Raspberry:

:P http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6966791.html

[02:41:40]

tjcarter:

As OEMs started making parts, they made them more generic..

[02:42:59]

tjcarter:

Someone patented the cable channel? =D

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Raspberry:

heh

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W6SN:

tjcarter: told ya you'd be surprised

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W6SN:

patents are out for everything :)

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tjcarter:

oh, this is a cable pod

[02:43:56]

tjcarter:

I cite prior art in the earbud caddy

[02:44:27]

tjcarter:

And he can pay the thousands upon thousands to defend the silly patent if he wants =p

[02:45:39]

tjcarter:

but anyway, if you did it the way Apple does, all 3rd party motherboards would have to have their power and device connectors in the same spot.

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tjcarter:

We've changed what those are slightly over the years too, which complicates things

[02:46:39]

tjcarter:

we no longer have a FDD, pair of IDE (and the pair is new), LPT, and COM ribbons

[02:46:54]

tjcarter:

and those were never consistently located anyway

[02:46:56]

nitronic`:

Ryushin, i'm sorry, where did you read that dtvsignal doesn't work with the pchdtv hd-5500? i'm finding a bunch of sources that say that it does...

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tjcarter:

nor do we have any restriction on how many there are

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Rongo:

So.. next weekend I'm going to overhaul my myth setup. New machine, new version, new distro (maybe). Anyone have any suggestions re: motherboards, chipsets, distros, etc that I should look into / avoid?

[02:47:41]

tjcarter:

I've seen modern boards with 8 or more SATA plugs

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tjcarter:

And I've seen cases with as many as 11 5.25 bays

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tjcarter:

To get desired results, you'd need a hard drive cage with predictable connector locations (I think SATA does mandate that for 3.5 devices, I know it does for 2.5)

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W6SN:

rongo: what are your desired major points?

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W6SN:

i use the M2NPV-VM, has given me 0 problems

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tjcarter:

you'd also have to make some important decisions about legacy parts--is the FDD dead at long last? How many USB and FW ports? That sort of thing.

[02:50:32]

Raspberry:

dtvsignal works with pchdtv hd-5500 ... I just used that a week ago to set mine up

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nitronic`:

Raspberry, i thought so

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Rongo:

I have a PVR-500. I would like to be able to watch a DVD, record (and commercial detect) 2 shows without DVD skipping.

[02:51:13]

nitronic`:

well, my problem is that dtvsignal shows 000 signal unless mythbackend is running... then it will show a reasonable signal, but i still can't lock onto a channel with mythfrontend. anyone have any ideas?

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tjcarter:

Of course, I solve that by suggesting that there should be ONE USB port and the case features a fully-powered USB hub =D

[02:51:41]

W6SN:

rongo: my M2NPV-VM has 1G ram, x2 4200+, pvr500, pvr150

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Rongo:

And I'd like to fit it all in one of those ATX-Mini cases

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Rongo:

isnt 1G overkill for a myth?

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Raspberry:

no

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tjcarter:

Rongo: you are aware that only some get good results with the PVR500 tuners?

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W6SN:

tjcarter: what problems do people have with pvr500s?

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tjcarter:

If you've got a pair of cable boxes or so, that's a great solution.

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Rongo:

I have had no problems with the 500,,,

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tjcarter:

Most of us can get tuner 1 to have good signal on most or all channels.

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tjcarter:

Tuner 2 ... is an unmitigated disaster for many of us ;)

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W6SN:

really?

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Phantom1000:

Rongo: I also have an M2NPV-VM. Overall I've been happy, but if you need a serial port connection, you'll have to roll your own or order one

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W6SN:

0 problems here

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Rongo:

both of mine are fine.

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Rongo:

Yep.. need serial for the IRDA

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nitronic`:

how often does dtvsignal refresh?

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tjcarter:

Highly dependent on signal, carrier, cables, kernel version, ivtv version, and phase of the moon.

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Raspberry:

I'm running MythTV on a AMD64–3800+ ... 1GB RAM... 2 360GB Seagate SATA2 drives... with a pair of PCHDTV-5500 cards (I had a PVR-150 and PCHDTV-5500, but it was a pain.) — anyway — I'm currently using 472mb out of 1035mb total RAM

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W6SN:

i was contemplating building a ps2 passthrough box to work with a remote for myth

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Rongo:

Raspberry: Mobo?

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Raspberry:

Um... MSI K9 Mini-ATX

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Raspberry:

I can get the exact model if ya want

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Rongo:

Happy with MSI?

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Raspberry:

surprisingly it's been fine ... everything is supported by the linux kernel out of the box

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Rongo:

hmm

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Raspberry:

oh – and I've got a nVidia 7600 for the S-VIDEO out to the TV

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Rongo:

I was burned by MSI at one point... and SiS.. and a few others.

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Raspberry:

yeah

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Raspberry:

same here

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nitronic`:

what's the ideal OS for mythtv?

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Rongo:

There arent many I trust anymore.

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Rongo:

nVidia is one though..

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Raspberry:

I trust anything that doesn't have a VIA chipset :)

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W6SN:

i wish the HD-5500 had a dual tuner

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Rongo:

I had a problem with via at one point.. but it ws looooong ago

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tjcarter:

These days, most people take a reasonable dual-core AMD chip, anywhere from a quarter to one of RAM, with two for certain systems that need lots of transcoding, slap as big as they can afford SATA drive, whatever works for DVDÂ±RW, and usually a NV video card..

[02:57:55]

Rongo:

Seems like most of you use dual core, single socket AMD boards.

[02:58:01]

Rongo:

Fair assessment?

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Raspberry:

After my first 4 weeks with MythTV — I can rank my limitations...

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tjcarter:

Then they throw digital or MPEG2 capture cards in (both?)

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W6SN:

we use a simple box at work

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W6SN:

lemme get the specs

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tjcarter:

Rongo: I use a single core single socket, but that's because I built on a budget =)

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tjcarter:

I'm regretting the single-coreness

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Rongo:

tjcarter: ever short on power? ie,. DVD + 2 shows recording?

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W6SN:

teehee

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W6SN:

22T 11T 12T 48% /mg0

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W6SN:

there is that.

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tjcarter:

I can record two shows and stream another for watching

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Rongo:

Ya me too. My problems only seem to crop up when watching DVDs with background jobs.

[02:59:51]

tjcarter:

but the stream isn't a decode, it's just a stream.

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W6SN:

our machine at work is a c2d 6400

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tjcarter:

You want more than that, go for a dual core.

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Raspberry:

1] LIRC / IR receiver compatability / configuration / setup (still struggling with this) 2 ] Disk Space 3] Tuners Sound Outputs (unused) and Sound Card fighting over /dev/dsp and mixer 4] Processor ... average workload is .45 to .80 5] MythMusic... hangs while importing music collection

[03:00:25]

tjcarter:

This box is a backend only.

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tjcarter:

I'm seriously considering that it might at some point become a very custom installation too

[03:00:50]

Raspberry:

you can get a socket AM2 AMD64–3800+ dual-core for ~$70

[03:00:59]

tjcarter:

Currently it's KnoppMyth R5F1

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tjcarter:

I'm not 100% sure KM R6 is going where I want to.

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Raspberry:

I bought the cheapest processor I could get for the AM2 socket ... and if I want to upgrade I can just move up to the 6000+ or whatever I want

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W6SN:

hehe

[03:01:31]

W6SN:

yeah

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tjcarter:

If anything, I want to move more toward the thing being an appliance, not more toward the thing being a Linux box.

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W6SN:

only thing i wanna upgrade at this point is disk space

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Rongo:

No intel-o-philes here, it seems.

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tjcarter:

I appreciate that it IS a Linux box and I can login and poke around and whatnot.

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tjcarter:

...but I want an appliance.

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W6SN:

rongo: i told ya.. our mythbox at work is a c2d 6400

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Raspberry:

you don't need the intel workhorse... the AMD will transcode just fine

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Rongo:

oh sorry :-)

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W6SN:

but that's mostly cuz that machine is recording 24 hours a day

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W6SN:

and transcoding everything twice

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Raspberry:

I'd have to say my biggest limitation is disk-space... that'd be what I would sink the $$ into a 750GB Seagate SATA2

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Raspberry:

I think they're only about $120 on newegg now

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Rongo:

Really? I have 100G in my current box, and I have never even come close to 50%

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Raspberry:

I am running HD and digital ... so 30 minutes = 3.7GB

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Rongo:

But then, I transcode everything to Mpeg-4

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W6SN:

one transcode to go drop the bitrate to like 300kbps, and one transcode to take the video to a flv for web streaming

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thsnckisoriginal:

I've got to pipe up there, my myth box is regularly ~300GB usage of 535GB avail.

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floppyears:

does anybody have a hint on how to solve my problem of the bios not showing "verifying hdmi data" or booting into grub when I put in my dvd rom ?

[03:04:09]

W6SN:

our mythstuff is 436G out of 652G used

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Raspberry:

yeah I convert all my stuff to flv

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W6SN:

our flv is low bandwidth stuff

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Raspberry:

the HD is 15Mbit / sec and SDTV is about 4.5Mbit / sec

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Rongo:

Ya know... I suspect a lot of you are tv heads too... I'm thinking of getting a flat screen at the same time. Any strong opinions on what to avoid / look at?

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W6SN:

and at work, we're 221G/234G used

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thsnckisoriginal:

whoa

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Rongo:

I was thinking about maybe doing a 30" lcd monitor thru DVI. Any downsides?

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thsnckisoriginal:

man, I'd love to replace our 32" SD with something similar, flat screen

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W6SN:

i'm not much into the big tv's

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W6SN:

i work in TV, so i am not really into watching things so much heh

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Rongo:

heh

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Raspberry:

nice... mythtv is just restarting over and over again — asking me to configure it now

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W6SN:

nice

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thsnckisoriginal:

my living room machine is a 57" hd, that's DVI->HDMI

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Rongo:

We just moved into a new place, and the sofa is too far away from the TV :-)

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thsnckisoriginal:

that was a PITA to get working right

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W6SN:

heh

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Rongo:

What was the problem?

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thsnckisoriginal:

the scan lines

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W6SN:

how do you determine it's "too far away"?

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Rongo:

W6SN: Cause it's hard to play video games :-)

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W6SN:

heh

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Aval0n:

so I guess lots of ppl with pvr-500 have this diagonal line problem I've seen ppl say they've taken metal caps off their card

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W6SN:

the biggest problem i have with watching normal TV.... having to adjust chroma all the time :(

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Aval0n:

heh

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Aval0n:

crazyness

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Aval0n:

w6: what does the chroma do for ya?

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W6SN:

why would they take the metal caps off?

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Aval0n:

I don't know

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W6SN:

aval0n: adjusts colors

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Aval0n:

ahh ok

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tjcarter:

I have been thinking we need a mythtv-setup-textonly

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W6SN:

unless it's a kids show for the little ones.. i end up cringing when i see chroma issues

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tjcarter:

when I have such a thing, my BE will be relegated to a closet =D

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thsnckisoriginal:

the latest, best addition to my home theater...the Logitech Harmony remote

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Rongo:

Most of you use debian?

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W6SN:

i use gentoo

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thsnckisoriginal:

gentoo

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Aval0n:

how can you tell what version ivtv you have?

[03:09:52]

tjcarter:

Knoppmyth

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Aval0n:

ubuntu

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tjcarter:

Rongo: I used Ubuntu before, but I got sick of upgrades breaking MythTV (usually by reconfiguring MySQL to no longer work with a networked FE)

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thsnckisoriginal:

tjcarter: quite right

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Rongo:

You run knoppmyth on your back end?

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tjcarter:

Every single update of MySQL changes precisely how you must enable remote FEs to connect

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tjcarter:

Rongo: sure.

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Rongo:

hmm

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thsnckisoriginal:

W6SN: I'm updating portage now, is there the slightest possibility Gentoo has new 0.20.2 packages

[03:11:40]

tjcarter:

Rongo: As I've said, I'd rather have something more appliance-like, but currently the closest I can get to that is KM

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Aval0n:

stupid diagonal lines

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Rongo:

I didnt know you could tdo that, I thought it was front ends only

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tjcarter:

It set up a FE and all, but I've disabled that.

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Aval0n:

driving me up the wall

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tjcarter:

Nah, KM is for a combine F/BE

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tjcarter:

or FE only

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tjcarter:

change a few things and it becomes a BE

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iamlindoro_:

I believe Cardoe Updated the Gentoo stuff Friday.... anyone else remember that?

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thsnckisoriginal:

sweet

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thsnckisoriginal:

only problem now...have to go pay

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tjcarter:

If I do my custom thing at some point, it'll be very much like a TiVo in terms of how it handles things like upgraded software.

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iamlindoro_:

Pfffft, that's the easiest part

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tjcarter:

I've gotta go for a short walk, but I'll be happy to explain that when I return =D

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thsnckisoriginal:

...that's it's not done makes it a problem...

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Aval0n:

how does schedules direct know how to line up with your chans? do you have to manually point them individually?

[03:13:46]

Rongo:

tjcarter: So, you're booting from CD every time?

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Rongo:

or dvd

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thsnckisoriginal:

or flash

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thsnckisoriginal:

or hdd

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thsnckisoriginal:

or network ;)

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Rongo:

I never thought to install knopmyth on a hdd

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Rongo:

when new upgrades/patches come out.. which distro are they available for first/

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nitronic`:

Rongo, does knoppmyth work from CD?

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iamlindoro_:

the source code distro :)

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iamlindoro_:

ie, any distro with a use who can compile something

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Rongo:

nitronic`: I thought it was CD only... I thoutht that was the whole point of knopmyth

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Rongo:

iamlindoro_: good point

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nitronic`:

roger, i guess i should try it out and see if my hdtv5500 works with it

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Aval0n:

grrr on mutliple forums people post this http://www.mediacenterspace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4 as being the solution for diagonal lines problem, how can you view cached sites on the net with google again?

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thsnckisoriginal:

I think it might actually work out well having open source guys in control of the tv listings

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thsnckisoriginal:

I've had this problem with z2l for a while where I have to heavily edit the lineup to get my hd lineup

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Rongo:

Ok... so it sounds like I want a dual core AMD with a Mini-ATX nvidia chipset mobo that has a serial port, and 1G of mem.

[03:20:15]

Rongo:

And run debian on it.

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thsnckisoriginal:

def.

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thsnckisoriginal:

w/o the serial port the cable boxes become a pita

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Rongo:

No cable box here... just thinking of the IR reciever.

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thsnckisoriginal:

I forgot that one on the last mobo I bought, but it's a dual amd w/512, handles everything _very_ well

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Aval0n:

bah

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Rongo:

using lirc for my current reciever

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Rongo:

should I switch to something else?

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Rongo:

I thoutht lirc + serial was basically my only option

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Aval0n:

http://www.mike-kelly.us/crosshatch.jpg see by the CBS logo, that's what I'm talking about

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Aval0n:

damned lines

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Phantom1000:

Rongo: If the serial port is the deciiding factor, You can easily order the serial port connection for the M2NPV-VM. They're only $10 or so. Mine works fine.

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Rongo:

How many ports on it? 2?

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goodtod:

if i see my remote in irw and i copied the lircrc file to ~/.lircrc and ~/mythtv/lircrc should the remote be working?

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Phantom1000:

Rongo: Single port. Do you have a need for a 2nd port?

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iamlindoro_:

Looks like interference/poor signal to me, avalon

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Rongo:

Not presently... but if I ever get a cable box, I might.

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Rongo:

Oh... I see. it has posts on the mobo for serial, but thats it? I think I have some of those little thingies to plug onto the posts omewhere.

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bradd:

anyone know why the audio for tv/movies/dvds would be really low while music seems to play much much louder?

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iamlindoro_:

Because they're normalized to different levels, first off

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Aval0n:

can someone tell me how to check what versoin of ivtv I have?

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iamlindoro_:

but they're all being played by different code, even within myth, too, so probably handle volume levels differently

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bradd:

ivtvctl --version

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Aval0n:

ty

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Phantom1000:

Rongo: If you need to run a cable box in the future, you can always use the serial to send to the box and get a usb ir receiver to run myth.

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GreyFoxx:

bradd: As welll the audio on DVD's tends to be much lower than broadcast in TV

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bradd:

hmmm

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iamlindoro_:

I don't think that has anything to do with your ivtv version, avalon, it looks far more like interference to me

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Rongo:

Phantom1000: true enough, Although from the specs on the frys webpage it looks like the mobo has 2 sets of com posts

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iamlindoro_:

that's probably there on other things as well, you just don't see it because it is exagerrated by being encoded

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iamlindoro_:

ie, it's present when you go straight into a TV, it's just exaggerated by the process in your myth box that digitizes it

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bradd:

i am maxing out my amp just to be able to watch dvds..that doesnt really seem right

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thsnckisoriginal:

where can I get a usb ir receiver

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iamlindoro_:

are you running dvds out as ac3 passthrough?

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bradd:

no. i am just using stereo/rca cables at the moment

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Aval0n:

ivtctl v0.10.1

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Aval0n:

is that most current?

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GreyFoxx:

bradd: run alsamixer and makes sure you turn up your outputs

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bradd:

i did

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iamlindoro_:

no

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bradd:

100% on PCM and FRONT

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Phantom1000:

Rongo: It may. I only needed one. My Haupaugge card provides my rx capability.

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Rongo:

makes sense

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GreyFoxx:

bradd: And Master ?

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bradd:

i dont have a master bar?

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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bradd:

is it maybe not routing all of the sound out the front speakers...thinking i have srround sound speakers setup?

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Rongo:

AMD X2 ... 2300+, 4200+, 6000+.. etc.. what's your opinion of the lower and upper bound of the "reasonable" range?

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iamlindoro_:

probably not, most of your sound in any dvd is out of center

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Rongo:

Someof them are fairly low power... which is attractive... as my machines seem to overheat occasionally.

[03:40:07]

Rongo:

Geez.. these suckers are dirt cheap! I havent looked at prices in a while, it seems.

[03:40:07]

Rongo:

http://shop4.outpost.com/search?search_type=a . . . ;x=0&y=0

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thsnckisoriginal:

can't remember what I have

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thsnckisoriginal:

3200+ from a year ago

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thsnckisoriginal:

works well

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thsnckisoriginal:

I have two backends, a separate DB server, two 250's and a pchdtv-3000

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Rongo:

Looks like the lowest I can go at frys is 4200+.. for $85

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thsnckisoriginal:

I think all the options will work

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thsnckisoriginal:

you're doing two 500's?

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Rongo:

One 500

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Rongo:

But I trancode everythin

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thsnckisoriginal:

one backend?

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thsnckisoriginal:

same as DB server

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Rongo:

Yep. One machine... DB, BE, FE.

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thsnckisoriginal:

it'll do fine

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thsnckisoriginal:

anything you do

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Aval0n:

rongo

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Aval0n:

you have the diagonal lines issue with your 500?

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Rongo:

My worst case stress point is playing a DVD, recording 2 shows, and transcoding and commercial detecting them.

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thsnckisoriginal:

hmm

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thsnckisoriginal:

mine does that fine

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Rongo:

Although someday I may want to add a front-end in the bedroom.

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thsnckisoriginal:

in fact, never had a problem with it

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thsnckisoriginal:

even when I had the AMD 2500+

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Rongo:

In that setup, my current machine cant keep up with the DVD

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Aval0n:

Rongo: you ever have diagonal lines with your pvr500?

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Rongo:

nope

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

very odd

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Rongo:

my video is fine. both tuners

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Rongo:

crystal clear.

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Aval0n:

lucky you

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Aval0n:

what filters/deinterlacing do you use?

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Rongo:

None.

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Aval0n:

you don't de-interlacE?

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Rongo:

Perhaps the transcoder does it.

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Rongo:

But I dont recall ever having to specify anythingt

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Aval0n:

hmm

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thsnckisoriginal:

in fact, I'm compiling the myth source, running FE and BE and recording on this machine all at once

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thsnckisoriginal:

no issues

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Rongo:

Sounds like I'm getting a 4200+ then

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thsnckisoriginal:

friend of mine just shut down a server he had running for 397 days

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Rongo:

heh my machines overheat too often for that :-)

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Aval0n:

heh i lost power ona machine I had going 700+

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thsnckisoriginal:

0ouch

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thsnckisoriginal:

longest I think I had was 200 days

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thsnckisoriginal:

even my myth machines get rebooted fairly regularly

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bobc:

I just replaced my motherboard/cpu and rebuilt my mythtv system from scratch. everything works fine, but the volume is too low. I just have the line-out going to my tv audio in.

[04:00:16]

bobc:

in alsamixer instead of master it is showing 'headphone', could that be the problem?

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JeffATL:

what xorg.conf flag might activate s-video output for an S3 prosavage?

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bradd:

try Option "TVOutFormat" "SVIDEO" in the device section

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JeffATL:

bradd: thanks

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bradd:

did it work?

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JeffATL:

bradd: i've also seen something about it working only when there is no svga monitor connected – is that typical?

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bradd:

could be..i have my tvoutformat set to autoselect

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thsnckisoriginal:

ok, here's a snag

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thsnckisoriginal:

watching HD and it's tuttering a bit

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thsnckisoriginal:

nm, it stopped

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floppyears:

quick question guys -

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floppyears:

I am recording 2 shows right now

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thsnckisoriginal:

ouch, ooh...no wonder...it's doing HD comm flag, and HD playback, while compiling source

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floppyears:

how can I watch one of those 2 shows ?

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thsnckisoriginal:

select it from the recorded programs

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JeffATL:

bradd: ok, in the xorg log, is says that "Option "TVOutFormat" is not used" – there is, however, a list of commented-out option lines in the device sctin and one is called "tvout"

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floppyears:

thanks thsnckisoriginal

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Rongo:

tjcarter: You there?

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thsnckisoriginal:

np

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JeffATL:

bradd: it worked!!!

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floppyears:

it doesn't work

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floppyears:

when I press ok in the show being record it tells me if I want to stop the recording

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thsnckisoriginal:

uh

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thsnckisoriginal:

you can watch shows currently being recorded

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thsnckisoriginal:

not sure which 'key' it is

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thsnckisoriginal:

should just be the equiv of enter

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floppyears:

nv, I figured it out

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floppyears:

when i clicked on live tv, it asked me what recording I wanted to watch

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thsnckisoriginal:

oh neat

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thsnckisoriginal:

I never use the LiveTV

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thsnckisoriginal:

when I do that it says all avail. devices are in use

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floppyears:

oh

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floppyears:

maybe it's because I'm running from trunk

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thsnckisoriginal:

nice

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thsnckisoriginal:

that's a neat uh

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thsnckisoriginal:

feature

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Aval0n:

arrrg I upgraded to ivtv 0.10.5 and not X won't start

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Aval0n:

grr

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thsnckisoriginal:

were you having problems before?

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thsnckisoriginal:

I get ticked off because gentoo updates my lirc

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thsnckisoriginal:

there's never any improvements for what I do

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thsnckisoriginal:

and most of the time I have to go through everything and fix it all

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thsnckisoriginal:

if it ain't broke...

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Aval0n:

no

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Aval0n:

i manually installed it though

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Aval0n:

but it's complaining about not initializing my nvidia card now

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Aval0n:

ivtv shouldn't have anything to do with that crap

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thsnckisoriginal:

lets see, ivtv and X...they're not really involved

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thsnckisoriginal:

what distribution?

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Aval0n:

exactly

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Aval0n:

ubuntu

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thsnckisoriginal:

wow

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thsnckisoriginal:

ubuntu doesn't normally break easily

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Aval0n:

heh

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thsnckisoriginal:

you did the ivtv upgrade thru apt?

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Aval0n:

until I found out about it

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Aval0n:

no

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Aval0n:

apt thought 0.10.1 was the latest

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Aval0n:

.5 was

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thsnckisoriginal:

that's the latest package perhaps

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Aval0n:

latest "stable"

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Aval0n:

aye

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bobc:

latest in feisty

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thsnckisoriginal:

I can't imagine what installing a package manually that has nothign to do with X might have done

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Aval0n:

tell me about it

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Aval0n:

brb

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thsnckisoriginal:

not initializing the nvidia card...

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thsnckisoriginal:

dpkg-reconfigure the xorg package?

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bobc:

I just installed ivtv-.10.5 on feisty tonight and had no problems

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bobc:

is anyone in here using a Biostar TF7050-M2 motherboard? my sound volume is low and I don't know if it is the onboard sound or something I have set.

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bobc:

I've checked the obvious stuff like alsamixer and the volume is at 100%

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Aval0n:

thesnck yeah

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Aval0n:

I redid my xorg

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Aval0n:

no luck yet

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Aval0n:

volume through what?

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Aval0n:

analog out

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Aval0n:

or spdif

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Aval0n:

make sure pcm is all the way up too

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Aval0n:

and if you use ubuntu make sure IT'S mixer is up as well

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Aval0n:

since they seem to be different

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thsnckisoriginal:

you know what I like about MythtV

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thsnckisoriginal:

my wife and I were on two different news stations when my daughter was born (she was the first-born mother's day baby)

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thsnckisoriginal:

I had MythTV record the news stations, extracted the bits about us, converted to FLV and it's up on my picture gallery webstie

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Raspberry:

alsa has issues with the order the cards are loaded

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Raspberry:

your mixer might not work if myth is using the sound output on one of your tuner cards instead of the on-board sound

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Raspberry:

that was and IS my problem

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Raspberry:

how many /dev/dsp do you have ? dsp, dsp1, and dsp2?

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floppyears:

quick quesiton

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thsnckisoriginal:

..

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floppyears:

for some reason my tv listings are messed up once in a while

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floppyears:

and they show- "Jewelery television" in several channels at once

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floppyears:

I don't know what could be causing it

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thsnckisoriginal:

neither do I

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thsnckisoriginal:

heh

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CBiLL:

anyone here using UIRT USB on MythTV?

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Raspberry:

could be zap2it

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floppyears:

in schedules direct

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floppyears:

do I just select mythtv ?

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floppyears:

do I need to select something in xmltv ?

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Raspberry:

no idea

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Raspberry:

i'm in the US

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tjcarter:

anyone interested by chance in what I was talking about before I ran out the door? =D

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tjcarter:

Rongo: I boot my HD every time.

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bobc:

Aval0n: just analog out, pcm is all the way up, but actually makes no difference (volume is actually controlled through the "Front" mixer on my system).

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tjcarter:

Rongo: KM installs a Debianish system tuned for Myth and intended to run a stand-alone system.

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tjcarter:

it can be a BE only with some work or a stand-alone with a networked BE with a few changes that are minor.

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Aval0n:

i can't belive installing ivtv 0.10.5 somehow screwed my X

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Aval0n:

i have all the settings right and it wont init my nvidia card

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Aval0n:

vesa works fine

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Aval0n:

grrr

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Aval0n:

did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org already

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Aval0n:

and put in my custom xorg.conf nothing

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Dagmar:

Hmm... need to adjust my ignore table

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jonnyboy1234:

whats the most common lirc setup

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tjcarter:

MCE USB remote? =D

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tjcarter:

it's definitely the easiest.

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bjweeks:

does anybody know what the difference between "record new episodes

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Dagmar:

It is a duck.

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bjweeks:

and record new episode first showings

[07:09:28]

Dagmar:

Ah, not a duck then.

[07:09:28]

bjweeks:

I can't find a single doc on it anywhere :(

[07:09:58]

tjcarter:

this must be from a newer or older Myth than I'm using

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bjweeks:

I assume newer, I'm on .21

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Dagmar:

Where'd you get the time machine?

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tjcarter:

He's one of the 4400?

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Dagmar:

Could be

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bjweeks:

This crappy looking car was it

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tjcarter:

or ..

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tjcarter:

One of The Marked?!

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Raspberry:

are there any good "unofficial" support channels?

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jonnyboy1234:

ill look for a mce remote then.. giving up on one came with card

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Raspberry:

hmm

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Raspberry:

which remote ?

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Raspberry:

brb

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Raspberry:

so which remote now?

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bjweeks:

http://www.pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3745 <-- does that have a grain of truth?

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Tapout:

I've got cable and satellite both. Can I merge both into on EPG?

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Tapout:

one rather

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Raspberry:

I've got a pair of PCHDTV-5500 and have no issues... although that's not a hdtv-3000....

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bjweeks:

I've got one 5500 (ready to buy my second) but not using XVMC would rock

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Raspberry:

i don't use xvmc with the 5500

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Dagmar:

bjweeks; He's a moron

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bjweeks:

Dagmar: that is what I assumed

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Raspberry:

anybody here know anything about setting up the IR receiver and the new version 1069 Hauppauge remote? It's acting funny... not displaying in the /proc/bus/usb but lights up when I press the buttons on the remote... and it's detected with lsusb

[07:49:22]

bjweeks:

Raspberry: I need it with a AMD 3700+, which I thought could take 1080i :/

[07:49:59]

Raspberry:

I have an AMD64–3600+ (AM2 socket) and no issues recording / playing dual HDTV and DTV streams

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bjweeks:

Now you are just making me feel bad :p

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Raspberry:

the amd64–3600+ costs ~$60 or $70

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Raspberry:

I stand corrected... $43... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819104317

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bjweeks:

This is a 939 socket but I don't think that would make a huge difference

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Raspberry:

once I work out the last of the issues with this new remote I've got 5 orders for MythTV "media centers"

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Raspberry:

and a hardware vendor that's buying the parts at volume pricing for me

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bjweeks:

Just for you? :o

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Raspberry:

yeah because I answer his linux and mac questions :P

[07:53:14]

Raspberry:

when people want custom built / installed machines

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bjweeks:

I mean 5 just for your house?

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Raspberry:

anyway — here's the 939 model of a amd64–3500+... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103604

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bjweeks:

I can't watch SD without XvMC, I think I'm doing something wrong

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Raspberry:

I am just over-the-air ... so I don't want any SD anymore

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Raspberry:

s/want/watch

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bjweeks:

I'm doing a OTA-only box as well, all my recordings are HD

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Raspberry:

I've learned HD = 3.7gb / 30 minutes of recording

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Raspberry:

:P

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Raspberry:

transcoding gets it down to 800mb or so

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bjweeks:

wow, X is using 60% of the CPU without XVMC

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Tapout:

Hey guys, anyone using mythtv in the FTA world? I wanna merge both epg's into one on mythtv ... anyone know?

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Raspberry:

FTA?

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Tapout:

Free To Air

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Tapout:

You can legitimately pull down channels on the international sats and I can either get one epg or the other, i haven't merged 2 sources yet but I'm using Media Center

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bjweeks:

Oh wow, UseEvents fixed my problem. Thanks Raspberry for making me google :)

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brianw_:

mythfrontend has suddenly started segfaulting right after " Enabled verbose msgs: important general" How can I find out what's causing the segfault?

[08:02:53]

brianw_:

The only recent change was to enable my onboard nvidia gpu and set it up as a xinerama second screen

[08:04:07]

Raspberry:

read the logs

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Raspberry:

/var/log

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Raspberry:

^ directory

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brianw_:

k 1 sec.

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Raspberry:

you can also turn on logging in myth if you don't find it there

[08:04:49]

brianw_:

that only has backend.

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brianw_:

ok, what -v option should I use?

[08:04:59]

Tapout:

how much does Scheduals Direct cost? they closed the site down for now

[08:05:49]

bjweeks:

5/month

[08:06:10]

bjweeks:

they plan to lower it after 3 months if then get enough people

[08:06:33]

Tapout:

can you have multiple sources? can I download Bell Expressvu's guide and Dish Networks guide?

[08:06:38]

Tapout:

at the sametime?

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brianw_:

Raspberry: well, I didn't do any package updates, it's debian 4.0 system.

[08:07:11]

bjweeks:

from what I have seen, yes. I hear they have some anti-fruad system though

[08:07:12]

brianw_:

and I can review the console log from mythfrontend

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Tapout:

bjweeks, i've always wondered why you guys don't just piggy back Media Center.. it downloads the guide from somewhere everyday

[08:09:01]

bjweeks:

They have some way of protecting that data

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bjweeks:

Even if one person can get it out of his box he can't give it to other people without getting a nice takedown letter

[08:09:43]

brianw_:

ahha

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brianw_:

found it, mysql1 host is acting up.

[08:10:14]

brianw_:

I guess this would be considered a bug. :) connects with mysql and on first query get's a bad result and crashes.

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brianw_:

bah, that's not it, just an incidental issue. it's back up now and mythfrontend is still crapping.

[08:31:41]

brianw_:

that just leaves having 2 screens on xinerama

[08:32:22]

brianw_:

huh. why would mythfrontend bother conneting to the db when you pass it --help?

[08:33:18]

brianw_:

yep, it's my X server.

[08:33:40]

brianw_:

mythfrontend runs perfect on the mythtv box on the TV, but try to point it to my display and boom. segfaults in the same place.

[08:34:05]

brianw_:

I can run the mythfrontend on my wife's machine (also nvidia dual head, no second screen defined, just twinview) and it runs fine.

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** brianw_ wonders where everyone went. **

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bjweeks:

I'm here watching

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bjweeks:

I feel like I'm watching a crazy man mutter to himself :P

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brianw_:

8-P

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DGnome:

Hi! How do encrypted channels over dvb work, is the encryption done for every channel or the whole multiplex?

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brianw_:

btw, strace shows this as last messages before segfault.

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brianw_:

writev(8, [{"b\0\4\0\5\0\0\0", 8}, {"RANDR", 5}, {"\0\0\0", 3}], 3) = 16

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brianw_:

read(8, "\1G\7\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\20\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 32) = 32

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brianw_:

so it's definitly in talking to the xserver and parsing the answer it got to xrandr

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brianw_:

same Nvidia driver as my wife's machien as well.

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** brianw_ guesses taht noone cares, or everyone is asleep, or something and goes to mailbomb the users list with strace output. :) **

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DGnome:

I think this channel has more activity later on the day

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brianw_:

probably.

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k-man:

the font that is used to display the program information details in the program guide is too small for me

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k-man:

how can I make it bigger?

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bjweeks:

the frontend settings?

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CBiLL:

is there any forums or channel that could assist me with lirc issue?

[09:09:59]

Eclipsor:

just a question, but if I'm flagging commercials/transcoding @ 50fps or so, am I gaining on my backlog?

[09:10:01]

DustyBin:

is there a such thing as a bittorrent client what uses the terminal for the interface?

[09:11:23]

Eclipsor:

http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-command-l . . . -client.html

[09:12:13]

Eclipsor:

cable tv comes in at just a speck under 30fps, right?

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brianw_:

DustyBin: yes, bittornado

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brianw_:

or the original bittorrent.

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brianw_:

both on linux of course. ;)

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Solv:

is an external hdd with a usb2 interface quick enough for mythtv over the Air SD?

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juski:

Solv: SDTV is <10mbits/sec so I'd guess the answer'd be an emphatic 'yes'. Simple logic really. One number being smaller than another

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juski:

hey no problem, you're welcome

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Raspberry:

SDTV is typically 4.9Mbit/sec

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Raspberry:

HDTV ~ 15Mbit / sec

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Raspberry:

that's what I'm finding from my OTA experience

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Yggdrasil:

juski i found it, under priorities

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Dagmar:

Raspberry: You don't really have to rely on "typically", when the defaults for MythTv's use of ivtv are just kinda, lying right there, ready to use. ;)

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Dagmar:

I can say 2.2Gb/hour and be quite happy with the number.

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Nik_Doof:

is there any alternatives to nuvexport to use as a UserJob?

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Solv:

juski, I left before you answered, so thankyou...btw I know the maths, but theory is all good until you come across the real world. Seeming as some internal HDD have issues with mythtv until people enable DMA...even though the read/write speed is much quicker than 10mB/s, I didn't think it could hurt to ask what it performs like in the 'real' world

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Dagmar:

Well, that's a matter of latency more than it is throughput

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Ryushin:

I was looking in the developers list and I was reading something about a myth-vid branch and that it was going to be merged back into trunk in a couple of weeks. What is the myth-vid branch code?

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2287

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GreyFoxx:

There are a few seperate branches. multirec, pip and vid

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Ryushin:

Thanks GreyFoxx. I'll take a look at that.

[13:17:06]

Ryushin:

Wow, a lot of work is going into myth-vid. The developers sure do deserve our best.

[13:17:36]

Ryushin:

Has there been any word/thought about when h.264 might become one of the options as a transcoder?

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking "when they stabilize that" would be a good one

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure that's happened yet tho

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DustyBin:

ive just installed the myth zoneminder plugin, and bloody good it is too

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DustyBin:

i can now rig up my front door with a camera and see who it is without leaving my seat

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Ryushin:

Dagmar: So h.264 is not stable? Is ffmpeg the only program using it, or is transcoder adding support as well?

[13:23:38]

GreyFoxx:

Sweet, 7 concurrent recordings off one dvb card with the multirec branch. This should make a lot of people happy

[13:24:46]

Ryushin:

GreyFoxx: I don't understand. Can DVD cards tune more than one channel at the same time?

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: sorta

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Ryushin:

I don't understand what the multirec branch does I guess.

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: Of the stuff MythTV can use, x.264 has to be the most turbulent and coarse-edged of the lot

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GreyFoxx:

digital channels are broadcast in multiplex which contain several channels. Your application/thehardware just picks out the audio./video it wants for the particular channel you are watching

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: They kinda already tune multiple channels at once. The software just discards the extras AFAIK

[13:26:35]

Ryushin:

Dagmar: That's a shame. It just encodes so much better than mpeg4/xvid/divx. The quality is outstanding considering the file size. Of course it needs more cpu as well.

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: so for instanced this 1 multiplex contains 8 channels

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GreyFoxx:

And now myth will record all 8 at once

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Ryushin:

GreyFoxx: Oh, so like I have channel 12–1, 12–2, and 12–3. It would be able to record all the channels on that frequency?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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Ryushin:

That would probably be really useful for QAM on cable.

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GreyFoxx:

at least it works for DVBs

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: I'm using it with QAM

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Ryushin:

I'm looking in the contrib directory of svn. How does trailer.pl work? Does it grab/find trailers for movies that have been recorded on the backend?

[13:31:07]

GreyFoxx:

An A180 card connected to my cable company since there is no OTA hdchannels here

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GreyFoxx:

dunno, never looked at it

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Ryushin:

It sure would be nice if the cable companies started promoting QAM for their products. Instead of wanting you to rent one of their digital set top boxes. The comcast in denver, co changes where they put their HD channels about ever 3 months.

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: It's not in their best interests to promote that so they wont :)

[13:33:03]

GreyFoxx:

they might have channels available but they will laways encourage you to spend money :)

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Ryushin:

One of the reasons I bought an antenna that is 96" long. I should be able to pick up stuff from mars with that thing.

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GreyFoxx:

I'm quite happy with my firewire stuff off my stb

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GreyFoxx:

every channel I subscribe to is available including movies, vod, and hdtv

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GreyFoxx:

lots of recording goodness

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: Not pick up, "skewer". You can thank NASA for perfecting the ILD (Interplanetary Lawn Dart) technology that thing is based on

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GreyFoxx:

I might pick up a second one and ditch my pvr cards now

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Dagmar:

Just go outside, aim at the eastern sky, and throw real hard. Don't forget to lead the target a little. Mars is a good ways off.

[13:34:58]

Ryushin:

I've been wondering when/if I'm going to go down that path and put a backend in the basement hooked to 2–4 cable boxes.

[13:35:16]

jblack:

It's time to admit I have a problem worthy of 12 step recovery.

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Ryushin:

Dagmar: Knowing my luck, I'll probably hit venus. :)

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jblack:

Somehow I've saved up a whopping 723 TV shows. Much of which I'll probably never watch again.

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Ryushin:

Greyfoxx: You have firewire coming off digital cable boxes?

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jblack:

Hell. Much of which I haven't watched yet.

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: yes. my cableco's hdtv stb with firewire out

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Ryushin:

jblack: Man, I thought I would at least compete with you. I have 1.4 TB full and I only have 426 recordings.

[13:38:15]

Ryushin:

GreyFoxx: I assume they don't encrypt the HD stuff.

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: Not on the STB outputs. Every single channel is available

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jblack:

ryushin: I'm just using 155Gb

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adante:

umm

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Ryushin:

jblack: How are you getting that many shows. Even when I transcode NTSC down, it still take 1.2 GB an hour. HD is 3.2 GB an hour transcoded down.

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jblack:

I'm transcoding down to about 450 megs an hour.

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jblack:

That's for high. Medium is perhaps 350, and low is a paltry 170.

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Ryushin:

GreyFoxx: So as long as I get digital boxes that have firewire out I should be okay?

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GreyFoxx:

Ryushin: It's very dependant on your particular cable company

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GreyFoxx:

My one doesn't lock me out of any, but most do lock you out of a lot of stuff

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Ryushin:

Should I be able to pull more than one recording from a cable box. Or will I need more than one box?

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GreyFoxx:

1 per cable box

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Omahn:

Anyone here using a PV350 TV out to play back a DVB recording?

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Omahn:

window 2

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Omahn:

whoops.

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Ryushin:

Well, the comcast folks in my area are not very nice. Maybe I'll try one box and see if I can get everything. It sure would be nice to get Discovery HD for a change. Though OTA HD seems to be higher quality then what I pick up using QAM.

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Ryushin:

They probably compress it down pretty hard.

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Ryushin:

jblack: I guess I went the route of adding disk space. Artifacts in my recordings drive me nuts. I initially have the PVR-*50's record at 10,000 and then transcode from that down to DVD quality.

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: Next time you might wanna just leave the defaults alone. I think the thing defaults to 9mbps for high quality

[13:47:54]

Dagmar:

I mostly do the same thing

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Dagmar:

...or I just let them pile up until I get fed up with scrolling around the content list and go "Oh jesus I'm never going to watch all this crap" and go on a deleting spree

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jblack:

Yeah. I accept artifacts.

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Ryushin:

Dagmar: I thought the default was about 2.2 GB an hour for NTSC. I still have shows recorded from Jan 15, 2006.

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jblack:

I just don't see a need to blow half a gig on one episode of the local news. It's just worth it. :)

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Ryushin:

Though it's nice, when I have time to watch TV, I can just sit down, choose a category that I feel like watching, and have enough shows there that I can find one I want to watch. Without commercials. It's the best.

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Ryushin:

jblack: True. For stuff like that, who cares. But when it's in HD, and you can see all the bad makeup and blackheads on their faces, it's the best. :)

[13:52:57]

jblack:

hmmm. Here, they're doing ntsc over hd. :|

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jblack:

Nature though, that's gotta look nice. I blow about a gig an hour on that.

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jblack:

Oh, for those that haven't moved yet, schedules direct is working fine for me

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Ryushin:

That's a shame. Though we only have 1 news channel that is broadcasting their news in HD. What an incredible difference. The stuff that comes of PBS HD is incredible. Nature, Nova, etc.

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jblack:

Yeah. Those, I do at high quality.

[13:54:21]

Ryushin:

Yea, me too. Got it working yesterday afternoon.

[13:55:21]

jblack:

Now what I need is some portable device that I can copy stuff to.

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keith4:

what is the process to go from using zap2it to schedules direct?

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Dagmar:

A tale of woe and loss.

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GreyFoxx:

keith4: signup/pay to zap2it. login and setup your lineups, run mythtv-setup (assuming you are running trunk or 0.20.2) go to the video source and change the type from TMS to Schedulesdirect, update the username/password fields

[14:00:19]

GreyFoxx:

You can test with a "retrieve listings" and if there is a problem you will see the error in the console of mythtv-setup

[14:00:35]

GreyFoxx:

then run mythfilldatabase and see if it finishes happily

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keith4:

assuming i am running trunk or 0.20.2... hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

keith4: or a very (last week) version of -fixes

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keith4:

so 0.20-svn20070223 probably isn't going to cut it

[14:02:31]

GreyFoxx:

no :)

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keith4:

i was afraid of that ;-)

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JoeyJoeJo:

is mythmovies an offical plugin?

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Dagmar:

u need teh 0day

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keith4:

mythvideo?

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JoeyJoeJo:

keith4: no, I found mythmovies in portage.. apparently it gets local movie times

[14:06:51]

keith4:

interesting

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keith4:

seems.... unrelated to the concept of mythtv though

[14:07:40]

Dagmar:

Well, it sucked less than MythStream, so...

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thsnckisoriginal:

how last minute did z2l have to be?!

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jblack:

Once I have flagged files, how do I perform an action on all of them?

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GreyFoxx:

tns: ?

[14:10:12]

jblack:

Like say delete

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thsnckisoriginal:

hit m'

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thsnckisoriginal:

then playlist options

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thsnckisoriginal:

or actions

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thsnckisoriginal:

hmm

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jblack:

Awesome. Thanks

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thsnckisoriginal:

n

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thsnckisoriginal:

np

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm not sure if I should ask here or in gentoo, but I'm getting this error when trying to install mythweb, even though I have apache 1.3.37 installed.. http://pastebin.ca/672334

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dwbell:

my myth box 0.20.20060828–4 on ubuntu fiesty with weekly fixes, doesn't let me watch a show being recorded if it has been recording for about an hour or longer.

[14:27:52]

dwbell:

any ideas?

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jblack:

Yeah. Try watching it from the playlist.

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t0ny-p40:

JoeyJoeJo, I have the same problem.

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t0ny-p40:

Just download the mythplugins..bz2 and grab the mythweb out of that.

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dwbell:

jblack: do you mean the 'watch recordings' menu?

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JoeyJoeJo:

t0ny-p40: did that fix it?

[14:29:45]

jblack:

yeah

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t0ny-p40:

JoeyJoeJo, no it did not fix the portage but I got mythweb working.

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok

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dwbell:

jblack: that's what I'm trying to do. screen goes black for a while then throws me back to the menu or worse crashes the frontend.

[14:31:18]

jblack:

Are you running myth from the console?

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jblack:

As in pulling up an xterm, and running mythfrontend from there

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dwbell:

no it the frontend autostarts in gnome

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jblack:

Try doing that. Keep an eye out for errors about not being able to allocate video memory.

[14:33:13]

jblack:

If so, congrats. You've been screwed by a bios that misreports shared vidram. You can work around it by reducing the resolution you record/play back at.

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dwbell:

thanks, I'll give it a try later. Myth is recording a game I really don't want to miss ( it started an hour and a half ago...)

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jblack:

You can also workaround it by doing $ NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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dwbell:

what does that do?

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jblack:

That disables xvideo extensions. It'll make mythfrontend pretty darn slow, but it'll at least render something.

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dwbell:

I don't have the frontend set to use xv in the setup

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juski:

you can't set it

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juski:

it'd use it whether you like it or not

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jblack:

Unless you set the NO_XV environment variable to 1. But it's not really a workable solution.

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juski:

a workable solution would be to stop using ATI crap

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dwbell:

Ok thought it might be the same as the "use Xv picture controls" in the setup menu

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dwbell:

not using ati here...

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Ryushin:

I upgraded svn last Thursday after a 3 month break. I was wanting to try and see if the flash player in mythweb was working any better, and it's not for me. It plays for about 20 seconds and then stops.

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juski:

that's the deal with SVN. YMMV

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anykey_:

Ryushin: maybe your machine is not converting to flv fast enough?

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** jblack tries to remember if all of his laptops have onboard ati **

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Ryushin:

Not sure. How can I tell? It's a dual core 2.2 ghz X2.

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jblack:

Nope. This one is an i810.

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juski:

Ryushin: are you capturing video with a framegrabber?

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anykey_:

Ryushin: same here, works perfectly (PVR-500 source)

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juski:

converting to flv on the fly doesn't work well with lamegrabber sourced video

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dwbell:

just tried turning on the game with the frontend at my desktop computer running arch, same problem

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juski:

if that isn't reason enough not to use a lamegrabber I dunno what is

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Ryushin:

jblack: Myth plays just fine on my laptop with a 1.6 ghz intel mobile, and ati 7500 chipset. Just can't play HD due to the XV not being able to handle recording resolutions greater than 1000 pixels, or soemthing to that affect. A pink bar appears when you go past that level.

[14:39:48]

Ryushin:

juski: I'm using pvr-350 and PVR-150. Haven't tried a HD recording yet.

[14:40:08]

juski:

times I've tried it, it's worked fine here

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juski:

it's more than likely not the fault of the player

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Ryushin:

I'm trying it under firefox, flashplayer 9, and linux.

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Ryushin:

I haven't tried windows yet.

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dwbell:

jblack: just to clarify did you mean to start the frontend from a terminal window within X, or from runlevel 3

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juski:

it's ultimately going to move away from using ffmpeg to do the on the fly recoding

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jblack:

dwbell: From a terminal

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jblack:

Actually, 945GM, not 810... just for the sake of clarity.

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jblack:

All of my laptops have the same problem.

[14:43:27]

jblack:

I work around it by automatically transcoding everything before I watch it.

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Ryushin:

juski: So should I pay patient for that change, or should I try and debug what is going on.

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dwbell:

ok tried from the desktop frontend and was given this:

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juski:

you'll likely find that ffmpeg is stopping in its tracks

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dwbell:

2007-08–27 07:43:02.239 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec

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dwbell:

2007-08–27 07:43:02.239 TV: Changing from None to WatchingRecording

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dwbell:

2007-08–27 07:43:02.242 TV: Attempting to change from WatchingRecording to None

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dwbell:

Segmentation fault

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keith4:

whoa

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jblack:

Ok. That's a different error then I'm used to.

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juski:

dwbell: and the backend logs say...?

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dwbell:

just a sec I'll ssh in

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juski:

usually going into 'watch tv' and being treated to nothing but a blank screen is due to having the wrong tuner card type setup

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juski:

and if you've not yet tried using Intel's own drivers rather than the somewhat cranky OSS ones which come with X, do that

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dwbell:

backend log says this very close to the same time stamp http://pastebin.ca/672364

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juski:

looks like a mysql database problem

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dwbell:

The log file is disturbingly flooded with this http://pastebin.ca/672366 several time a minute without calls to watch anything

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anykey_:

dwbell: the solution is already written in the log...

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** juski agrees with anykey_ **

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Cry_wolf2:

You are probebly goint to kill me but anyway: I´m using trunk 13857 and is thinking about going to 20.2. How is that done the easyest way ? svn update or something ?

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juski:

as plain English error messages go, it's plain as day what you need to do, dwbell

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juski:

Cry_wolf2: downgrading? that'd be silly.

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Cry_wolf2:

down....byt byt

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juski:

for one thing, db schema updates can only go up, not down

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Cry_wolf2:

aah.. im on 21 aren´t i ?

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juski:

protocol versions can only go up, not down

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dwbell:

Ya, repair the database, I'll look that up in the userguide. Can it be done without destroying the db?

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juski:

dwbell: that depends on your circumstances

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juski:

if the db gets destroyed, just restore the backup you take every night

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anykey_:

lol

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juski:

then at worst you only lose a handful of recordings

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GreyFoxx:

Cry_wolf2: 0.20.2 is -fixes not from trunk

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GreyFoxx:

It's only a point release because of the schedulesdirect stuff, not a full trunk release

[14:57:21]

dwbell:

Only been using myth for about a month almost have everything setup nice, backups aren't one of those completed tasks yet.

[14:57:31]

dwbell:

I'll backup and repair...

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** Cry_wolf2 can´t seem to get his head around the terminology **

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juski:

Cry_wolf2: trunk is the bleeding edge development version

[14:57:57]

juski:

-fixes is the current release with bugfixes on top

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juski:

what's so mind-mangling about that?

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juski:

SVN is the subversion repository which holds a number of branches, trunk & -fixes included

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Cry_wolf2:

Nothing...now that you explaind it

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Cry_wolf2:

I just thought because my version was below the "20.2" but i guess they run independent of the other.

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dwbell:

anyone want to take pity on a newb and confirm this is the right comand to repair mysql db?

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dwbell:

mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p<password> mythconverg

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juski:

dwbell: I can confirm it looks okay but I won't take pity on a newb – ever

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juski:

suffer little children, read the documentation & you shall learn stuff

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Cry_wolf2:

We are trying

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dwbell:

juski: I had to laugh when I saw this " Why is everyone being so rude/brusque/direct?" currently on my screen. Quoted from the mythtv irc wiki page

[15:03:54]

dwbell:

you guys/ gals have been very helpful, and direct not rude.

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juski:

some people take offense when certain people point out the bleeding obvious in here

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djc_:

Regarding my problem receiving two IPTV streams simultaneously on the same box, I am going to try receiving them on seperate remote backends

[15:05:19]

jblack:

Well, wouldn't you get defensive if people pointed out your obvious was bleeding? :)

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djc_:

of course, since I dont have a pile of hardware around, each of the two remote backends will be running under vmware on the same machine as the primary&frontend

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GreyFoxx:

djc_: I tried that on my box saturday, using that 1 line patch you mentioned and it worked fine for me

[15:05:53]

djc_:

you using trunk?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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djc_:

hrm

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dwbell:

Not me, I should have thought to check the logs, but myth has always been that way for me so I'd accepted it as a limitation

[15:06:15]

GreyFoxx:

I switched my 8 iptv streams to use the same port but different IP's

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GreyFoxx:

and recorded 3 shows at once

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djc_:

are these unicast or multicast streams?

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juski:

dwbell: if your DB is ending up being corrupted a lot you might want to make sure to keep more HDD space free on the partition mysql keeps the database on

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juski:

run out of space & bad things happen

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juski:

very bad things

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GreyFoxx:

they were unicast. I've done multicast in the past but I didn't test that on Saturday

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djc_:

if and when I ever actually build a machine to run this on for real, as opposed to experimenting, I'll prolly be picking up a 200G drive to put in it

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djc_:

or two

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djc_:

:P

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dwbell:

juski: currently approx 60GB free on the partition. I think the db may have been bad from the start. this has always happened.

[15:08:37]

djc_:

the dvd rom drive in this laptop is noisy as hell at high speed

[15:08:45]

djc_:

buzzes and rattles

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djc_:

its the.. uhm.. faceplate part.. if I put my finger on it it gets quieter

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djc_:

oh well

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dwbell:

juski: the db is on the same partition it is recording to, could that be causing problems?

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juski:

dwbell: shouldn't be

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djc_:

no, but not the best way to lay out the disk

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djc_:

if it fills up with video data from recording, then the db part is full too

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jblack:

Oh man! After six months, I have livetv working!!!

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djc_:

plus more likelyhood of corruption if the box goes down.. granted, with ext3 its better, but still why invite trouble

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jblack:

For the i810 users with the BadAlloc problem, one can add: Option "LinearAlloc" "16000" to the Screen section and things just magically work

[15:12:31]

dwbell:

now that I know more about myth I've been kicking myself for the way I set up the hard drives. Next time will go smoother.

[15:13:02]

dwbell:

the family would kill me now if I reinstalled and they were without myth for a couple days...

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** jblack tries it on a laptop with onboard ati **

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djc_:

i810?

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jblack:

it works with ATIs too.

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djc_:

what problem is that?

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jblack:

previous inability to watch hdtv livetv

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djc_:

oh

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jblack:

Some users get BadAlloc complaints. By setting an option in screen, as listed above, the problem evaporates.

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djc_:

evaporates, eh?

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djc_:

:P

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djc_:

so if theres a chiller or something overhead, and it condenses on that, then it drips back down on you?

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jblack:

well, I did just bluescreen myth, so I guess you could say something shorted. ;D

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djc_:

lol!

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djc_:

straw poll – your workstation/desktop/irc client – windows, macos, linux, freebsd, other?

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** jblack rolls his eyes. **

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jblack:

What are you going to ask next, A/S/L?

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juski:

why not? it's IRC after all

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djc_:

im just curious how many mythtv users, who presumably prefer a F/OSS PVR solution over commercial properietary ones, how that matches up with desktop preference

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jblack:

juski: O RLY? K THX. WHUT U ASL?

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GreyFoxx:

djc_: I use windows on my machines. Mac OSX on my desktop

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GreyFoxx:

err windows on my wife's machine, Mac OSX on my desktop

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djc_:

for instance, id be pleasently surprised if not a soul in here used MS, and astonished and annoyed if everyone but me did, but I doubt either is the case

[15:31:35]

jblack:

I didn't know myth ran on windows.

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djc_:

im not aware that it does

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djc_:

but i presume most people seriously using myth are using it on their desktop

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djc_:

as opposed to in their living room

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Beirdo:

AAARGH

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djc_:

er, are _not_ using it on their desktop

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jblack:

well... I have two frontends in my office, one in my kitchen, and one in my bedroom.

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Beirdo:

I can't install Gallery Remote on my feisty laptop!? Oy. My head hurts

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djc_:

how bad does it hurt? take a picture and post it in your Gall...er.. wait.

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dwbell:

all linux, arch on the desktop, ubuntu server.

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** djc_ twiddling thumbs waiting for F7 to install in vm partition **

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djc_:

at least I wont have to wait twice, i'll be cloning it when its done

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djc_:

well, after I get myth copied in, deps installed, and compiled

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moipastoi:

!seen FinnTux

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Beirdo:

fryfrog, you in?

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drindt:

what can i do when the selected channel not appear on the screen and a dialog told me that normally all fine but i can wait until the picture appers, but it comes nothing, and the signal is between 50% and 60% can be that isnt enough the biterrors are standing by 65535

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you don't have a strong enough signal to me... are you able to tune it in other linux applications?

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fryfrog:

Beirdo: Am now, what is the up?

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Beirdo:

oh, just having some gallery issues. it wouldn't bring up the deletion page for some reason

[16:05:44]

masonsjax:

will there be any major headaches if I switch from SVN to standard tarball, or distro release?

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Beirdo:

but eventually it behaved

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fryfrog:

masonsjax: your db can't be rolled back

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Beirdo:

is that a "normal" problem to see?

[16:06:10]

fryfrog:

masonsjax: but as long as your svn/cvs release is *older* than what you are switching to, it'd be okay

[16:06:22]

fryfrog:

I've never heard of it, but that doesn't mean a whole lot

[16:06:32]

fryfrog:

can you check your apache error_log for memory limit errors?

[16:06:34]

masonsjax:

I installed from SVN a while back to get some HDHR support that wasnt anywhere else yet.

[16:06:49]

Beirdo:

ooh, that's a good idea

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masonsjax:

Just trying to decide if I should stick with SVN or not.

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masonsjax:

I guess it's pretty painless to just stick with it.

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fryfrog:

masonsjax: if it is working, i wouldn't worry about it

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fryfrog:

the problem is mythtv can't *downgrade* your db

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Beirdo:

nothing in the logs. ah well

[16:08:41]

fryfrog:

so it *might* work, or it might not...

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masonsjax:

why would you downgrade?

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fryfrog:

you could always nuke everything and start over if you want to go with stabe -fixes svn or something

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fryfrog:

masonsjax: that is what going from svn head -> svn fixes or distro packages or tar files woudl be

[16:09:19]

masonsjax:

i'm running fixes now

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masonsjax:

i see

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

stick with fixes

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masonsjax:

cool

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fryfrog:

you can svn up fixes if you like

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fryfrog:

all the distro packages are *built* from -fixes, but older.

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fryfrog:

sorry, i thought you meant you were on svn head

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masonsjax:

ahh, ok

[16:10:06]

masonsjax:

yeah, i shouldve specified

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masonsjax:

so fixes has all i need for SD and such

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fryfrog:

yeah, fixes is nice and stable

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masonsjax:

does it have the storage groups support yet?

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fryfrog:

you might want to svn up to get the new ummm, schedules direct thing

[16:11:05]

fryfrog:

or is that what yo umeant by SD?

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masonsjax:

yes

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fryfrog:

(not standard def?)

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fryfrog:

ah

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masonsjax:

haha

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masonsjax:

right, schedules direct

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fryfrog:

i don't think svn -fixes has storage groups

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masonsjax:

doh

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masonsjax:

i saw SD on the list a few times before i realized it meant schedules direct. could be confusing

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masonsjax:

fryfrog: thanks for the advice

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Beirdo:

fryfrog, I think it's firefox misbehaving, not actually gallery

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Beirdo:

it's doing the same sorta crap on wordpress right now

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Beirdo:

time to restart firefox :)

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nordle:

xorg.conf modules, modelines, interlaced, progressive, over/under scan, artifacts, tearing, double/triple buffering. Its very confusing and google just provides stacks of outdated and contradictory posts. vsync, dont vsync. Use XVMC, don't use it. I guess the trick is to find what your happy with and just stick with it.

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masonsjax:

killall firefox-bin

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Beirdo:

been there, done that :)

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Beirdo:

much better

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masonsjax:

i need to make a launcher icon to do that

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nordle:

Problem is, I haven't found it. My TV has a native 1360x768. But some DVD's suffer from this "tearing" effect, during high speed action the screen appears to have a crystal straigh split. I read people had more success with 1024x720. It _seemed_ to help, but not by much. I was under the impression that was for people whos native resolution was 1366x768?

[16:21:33]

hendrixski:

hhmm, when I make a mistake configuring mythtv and try to uninstall it on Ubuntu, I can't seem to re-install it

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hendrixski:

there's some residual stuff... so I have to reformat

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hendrixski:

is that a mythtv bug with the "make clean" command or is that an ubuntu packaging bug?

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nordle:

oops I meant 1280x720

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sphery:

nordle: If your native res is 1360x768, you'll probably have the best luck at 1360x768.

[16:22:36]

sphery:

Make sure you enable deinterlacing

[16:22:56]

sphery:

Some DVD's (especially TV series DVD's) are interlaced.

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sphery:

Myth is smart enough to not deinterlace progressive content.

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nordle:

sphery: Thats what I thought, I thought I'd struck gold and wouldnt have to worry about over/under scanning.............really! wow. I've read soooo much, but I had not read that! It could be as simple as that.

[16:23:45]

sphery:

And, you'll want OpenGL vsync if possible (i.e. with NVIDIA or Intel--and maybe other--drivers)

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sphery:

With NVIDIA drivers, there are 2 places it's set and you have to get the right combination (once in the drivers and once in Myth). I have it disabled in the driver and enabled in Myth.

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sphery:

use nvidia-settings to set it in the drivers.

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nordle:

sphery: There are two in nvidia-settings, one for texture and one for opengl. Currently they are both selected.

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sphery:

OK, I stand corrected. Three places.

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sphery:

But, I don't know the proper combination.

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sphery:

Sorry.

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sphery:

Your friends, trial and error, will probably help. :)

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fryfrog:

the picture on my analog cable, PVR500s is fantastic

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nordle:

sphery: Many thanks, useful info. So many options, would need like 16 restarts of X to crack it. Trial and so far, mainly error :)

[16:27:19]

sphery:

Yeah. Takes a while, but it's worth it once you get the magic settings.

[16:28:10]

sphery:

There's info on the -users list (look for anything from Daniel Kristjansson, and basically ignore anyone else's comments :)

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sphery:

(Note, I'm not Daniel... He's WAY smarter than I.)

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nordle:

sphery: the vsync in myth option, I dont remember that except at the ./configure stage. I'm starting to lose the plot, over the dozens of tweaks tried and tested. eg, I saved my configure line from 0.20 and yesterday 0.20.2. I have left out the opengl-vsync....why would I do that? eg ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --disable-distcc --arch=k8 --enable-proc-opt --enable-dvb --dvb-path=/usr/src/linux/include/linux/dvb/ --enable-xvmc --disable-audio-

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sphery:

I'd recommend using it.

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sphery:

You should get smoother delivery of frames with it.

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sphery:

Your Xv implementation should prevent tearing either way, but the OpenGL vsync improves things.

[16:31:25]

sphery:

Oh, and make sure you're using Xv or XvMC.

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sphery:

(i.e. that your driver works properly).

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CharlieSu:

anyone know what revision in CVS is .20.2 ? I've been using trunk and would like to upgrade to whatever version everyone else is using these days

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GreyFoxx:

Chalie: 0.20.2 is -fixes as of a couple days ago

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GreyFoxx:

so it's 0.20+fixes+schedulesdirect stuff

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nordle:

The lcd will need a new backlight by the time I'm finished :) I've tried mplayer, xine both using xv and the result is the same. I'll re-install mythtv with the opengl settings now....dont know why I missed them off last time....brb.

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sphery:

A good test for the OpenGL side of the driver is using the OpenGL theme painter. If it works (and you see buttons and text in the main menu), the OpenGL vsync should work properly (with the right config :).

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CharlieSu:

GreyFoxx: so i don't want that then..

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nordle:

sphery: Im using opengl them painter for sure, its very nice!

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xris:

CharlieSu: and... mythtv hasn't used cvs for AGES....

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GreyFoxx:

charlieS: Not likely

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CharlieSu:

xris: SVN i meant

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CharlieSu:

xris: same thing

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xris:

hardly

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sphery:

nordle: make sure you also enable it in mythtv's frontend TV playback settings.

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sphery:

opengl vsync, that is

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xris:

since I think the cvs repo is still around.

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CharlieSu:

xris: bahhh.. version control.. i use CVS and SVN daily

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CharlieSu:

ohh.. sorry.. didn't know that bit of info

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sphery:

xris: Thanks for the help with the shell escaping for SD. Got a patch tested and submitted.

[16:34:05]

xris:

sphery: cool

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nordle:

sphery: I think I'm missing that option as I didn't compile it with....which I will do now.... do I need to recompile mythplugins and myththemes aswell?

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xris:

wonder why we use wget when downloading web stuff should be a pretty simple call

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CharlieSu:

SD is live and taking money already? I need to sign up

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GreyFoxx:

xris: hehe especiallty since we have a built in httpcomms class :)

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GreyFoxx:

Chal: Yes

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sphery:

CharlieSu: Yes, you do! :)

[16:36:01]

xris:

CharlieSu: live, taking money, and *almost* to the break-even point at $5/month....

[16:36:08]

sphery:

xris and GreyFoxx: Did you see the -users post from a user who didn't realize Daniel did the caching and signed up for (and paid for) 2 SD accounts?

[16:36:17]

sphery:

Guess he found another way to donate.

[16:36:24]

GreyFoxx:

heh doh

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xris:

sphery: missed that

[16:36:34]

sphery:

But, when you make the decision about lowering the price, you might want to subtract one from the total count :)

[16:36:45]

CharlieSu:

xris: 5/mo. is fine w/ me. 20/yr seems stupid.

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sphery:

xris: I'm hoping for a donate button... :)

[16:37:58]

sphery:

Anyway, if you want to do the above and beyond customer service thing, xris, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/285872#285872

[16:38:08]

xris:

CharlieSu: $5/month is 10% of Labs users signing up.

[16:38:18]

sphery:

It's at the bottom (he has a terrible mail client, so it's hard to find his stuff)

[16:38:31]

fryfrog:

xris: holey cow

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xris:

20/year is 30–40%

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CharlieSu:

xris: i'll happily give them my money.. i need to donate to the mythtv devs too

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fryfrog:

Well, '

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fryfrog:

bah

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sphery:

did a sheep fall into the well?

[16:39:05]

fryfrog:

Well, I'm looking forward to $20/yr :)

[16:39:18]

Chutt:

xris, 23%.

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CharlieSu:

xris: you on the SD team?

[16:39:36]

fryfrog:

is 20/yr or 4/mo?

[16:39:38]

fryfrog:

er, 5/mo?

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xris:

Chutt: woah, you're in -users. :) and yeah, I guess it depends on which Labs numbers you look at.

[16:39:56]

xris:

CharlieSu: yeah... xris == Chris

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Chutt:

previous active :p

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CharlieSu:

xris: gotcha.. well you know all about it then..

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fryfrog:

does anyone do labs / sd with OTA ATSC? I'm wondering if some behavior is normal

[16:41:02]

fryfrog:

I added a cable and an ota line up, then mythfilldb'd

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sphery:

fryfrog: I have SD with OTA

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fryfrog:

it got the stuff for cable, but didn't add any ota atsc

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sphery:

digital is never added automatically

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: Were are you located ?

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fryfrog:

i scanned with the card for channels, *then* did a mythfill... and it worked and grabbed em

[16:41:35]

fryfrog:

atlanta, ga

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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fryfrog:

sphery: ahhh, okay that'd explain it

[16:41:44]

sphery:

you need to use --do-channel-updates

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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sphery:

though the scan for digital and editing the channels to add xmltvid is the /best/ approach.

[16:42:10]

fryfrog:

well, the scan then get worked nice because there are a few channels i *should* get, but don't with my free rabbit ears

[16:42:20]

** GreyFoxx thinks it will be nice if/when we have some sort of OTA/QAM tracking service to help ease that pain a little **

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fryfrog:

well, i scanned, then mythfilled, and *that* got all the xmltv stuff right!

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sphery:

also helps for channels/subchannels not available to the lineup

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fryfrog:

didn't have to do any manual channel editing, cept for one

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sphery:

(those are useless channels in my area, at least, but I can tune them if I choose to)

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fryfrog:

what i *wish* for woudl be QAM details, but it changes so much and is so different from each area/provicer/etc that it'd be impossible :(

[16:43:25]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: yeah but something could be done to minimize the pain

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sphery:

fryfrog: Good. It tries to link things up. Didn't do so well back when I did mine long ago, but nice to hear Daniel's improved it.

[16:43:48]

GreyFoxx:

and if the user grabbed info we had and it was wrong, then when they update their end they could submit it back and the next person avoids the problem

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sphery:

I minimized the pain by getting an antenna and staying away from cable. :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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fryfrog:

yeah, that'd be cool

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sphery:

just miss a few channels (SciFi, Food, History, Discovery, TLC)

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mkrufky:

here's a question that you're probably sick of answering — please forgive me ........... i see registration is open now — will is STAY open? or should I scramble now to grab a spot while I can? (I'm moving soon, and would rather wait till after I move)

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mkrufky:

^ SD registration

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fryfrog:

mkrufky: i doubt it'll shut down, they are "live" for realzies

[16:46:41]

mkrufky:

ok, great

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xris:

mkrufky: only reason it'll go down again is if the TMS servers blow up again like they did last night.

[16:46:51]

mkrufky:

oof

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nordle:

How can you test of a DVD is interlaced or not? Are there any apps?

[16:47:16]

nordle:

of=if

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mkrufky:

ok, that helps — thank you. I will sign up after i move my server (the backend server will move before i do, so that i dont miss recordings ;-) )

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sphery:

nordle: does MPlayer's verbose output say anything?

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sphery:

I just turn on deint when I see jaggies, so I don't know of any "good" way.

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nordle:

sphery: I'll test it on my PC, might come up with another bodged bash script to do it for me.

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Aval0n:

guys, I got my picture starting to look okay, I set min bitrate at 6000 max at 8000 with linear deinterlacing and standard XvMC.

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Aval0n:

it still looks a bit blurry

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Aval0n:

can anyone recommend any custom filters?

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Aval0n:

or tweaks

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juski:

SDTV scaled to HDTV res is bound to look blurry

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lwizardl:

Hi

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lwizardl:

i'm having trouble with my first install. I keep getting this msg "mythtv is already using all available inputs for the chanel you selected. if you want to watch an in-progress recording, select one from the playback menu. if you want to watch live tv, cancel one of the in-progress recordings from the delete menu."

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xris:

lwizardl: what's the backend status page say about inputs?

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lwizardl:

tuner status?

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xris:

yeah

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lwizardl:

tuner 1 is unavailable

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lwizardl:

tuner 2 is unavailable

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xris:

sounds like you need to figure out why the backend can't access your tuners.

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lwizardl:

after mythtv is installed where do i go to reconfigure my video sources if i remember correctly it said something about channel 3 not being available

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mkrufky:

mythtv-setup, lwizardl

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lwizardl:

from outside of myth?

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mkrufky:

lwizardl: you must make sure that the 'default channel' or 'initial channel' or 'startup channel' — i forgot what its called .... you have to make sure that it is a valid channel, otherwise that tuner will not come up

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mkrufky:

and yes, from outside of mythtv, while mythbackend is NOT running

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mkrufky:

you cannot alter tuner configurations while the backend it running

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lwizardl:

ok because I was trying to set it up for composite only

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mkrufky:

i dunno how that works — i use mythtv for digitaltv ONLY

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lwizardl:

well i have a pvr-150, and a requried satellite box for my tv

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mkrufky:

lwizardl: it can def be done, im just not the guy that knows how :-P

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mkrufky:

(looks like im the only guy talking, tho)

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lwizardl:

yes xris left

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DustyBin:

when a nvidia graphics card mentions 'HDTV' does it have any advantage over a nvidia fx5200 when used on linux?

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DustyBin:

heres the example: Asus GeForce N7600GS Silent HTD 256MB DDR2 HDTV/DVI (AGP)

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lwizardl:

i think that means it can output into the hdtv resolutions

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DustyBin:

a fx5200 can output HDTV resolutions?

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Ryushin:

It might mean it has hdcp support.

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Ryushin:

dustybin: It can't output 1080i on DVI. It can on VGA.

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Ryushin:

You need a 6200 or better for 1080 on DVI.

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DustyBin:

i see, i didnt know that

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Ryushin:

Found out the hard way.

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DustyBin:

in the future i will be buying a 1080p TV so ill need a new gfx card too

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mkrufky:

my fx5200 outputs 1080i via DVI just fine

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DustyBin:

ok

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mkrufky:

in fact, fx5200 is one of the 'recommended' cards for mythtv

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DustyBin:

yes thats what i got already

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Ryushin:

Mine does 720p just fine. But the chip is not supposed to be able to do 1920x1080 using DVI.

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mkrufky:

although, better off to get something newer, cuz i heard a rumor that future versions of nvidia's binary driver will drop support for the fx5200

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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DustyBin:

Asus GeForce N7600GS Silent HTD 256MB DDR2 HDTV/DVI sounds perfect

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mkrufky:

it works just fine for me, Ryushin .... it offloads the deinterlacing to the GPU, though....

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mkrufky:

sometimes machine overheats and reboots :-/

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Cry_wolf2:

i have 7600gs too

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DustyBin:

on nvidias website it mentions a lot of enhancments when using the newer chips in the 7 and 8 range, do these enhancements also effect the linux drivers?

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Cry_wolf2:

dunno

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Ryushin:

dustybin: I have the asus 7300 passive card. It's been working fine for over a year.

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DustyBin:

NVIDIA PureVideoâ„¢ HD2 technology provides unsurpassed Blu-ray and HD DVD movie picture quality

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DustyBin:

?

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Cry_wolf2:

tried -vo gl but think i´ll go back to xv...think the card does the jobb then

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DustyBin:

does that work on linux?

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DustyBin:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/8800_tech_specs.html

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Cry_wolf2:

have no idea

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DustyBin:

i wonder if those specs effect the linux driver just as they effect the windows driver

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DustyBin:

Integrated HDTV encoder provides analog TV-output (Component/Composite/S-Video) up to 1080i resolution

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DustyBin:

strange, i thought a 8 series would handle 1080p

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DustyBin:

thats TV out sorry

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DustyBin:

i wonder if there have been any general colour improvements when you compare a fx5200 to a 8 series card

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Cry_wolf2:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=63103

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DustyBin:

aye there you go

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DustyBin:

"No, PureVideo is not currently supported on Linux."

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Cry_wolf2:

oh, a bit old

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Cry_wolf2:

using screen keyboard :(

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Dagmar:

The "quality" of s-video output is pretty much entirely the function of what components the card manufacturer used to make the card

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Dagmar:

i.e., it doesn't matter what series card you buy, either it's a card with high quality components, or it's not.

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DustyBin:

yes

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DustyBin:

i read somewhere that ati produces a better colour than nvidia chips

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DustyBin:

your graphics card is a very important link in your mythtv setup, <MYTHTV> >> <GRAPHICS CARD> >> TV

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DustyBin:

i wonder what difference 'pure video' makes

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sphery:

about $50

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DustyBin:

hehe probably

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Cry_wolf2:

i wonder wy my .mkv´s video is always 300ms before the sound :)

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sphery:

It's just a marketing name for things that can be done with or without the "bundled up" support provided by the drivers.

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DustyBin:

aye

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Cry_wolf2:

phu, that took some time to write

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sphery:

Cry_wolf2: using Internal player?

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sphery:

may want to try with MPlayer/VLC/xine as there has been little testing of mkv with Internal (and most of it by non-devs who haven't been able to fix it up).

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Cry_wolf2:

mplayer

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sphery:

Oh. Then I can't help.

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Cry_wolf2:

:(

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sphery:

I don't know anything about mkv (and don't have any videos using that format)

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Cry_wolf2:

is on mplayers chan, but waiting ntill i got kbd before asking

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Aval0n:

omg

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sphery:

the suspense is killing me

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** Aval0n hugs the denoise3d filter **

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sphery:

cool.

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Cry_wolf2:

?

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Aval0n:

that thing just made my cable look better than my sd satellite

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Aval0n:

and it was shite before

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Aval0n:

it can see a weeeee bit of ghosting happening

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Aval0n:

but a very small comprimise to what it looked like before

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Cry_wolf2:

what does it do?

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juski:

time-based adaptive averaging to cancel out noise

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Tanthrix:

Cry_wolf2: Otherwise known as making your picture blurry, tricking you into thinking your noise is gone.

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Cry_wolf2:

aha

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Cry_wolf2:

I just refuse glasses

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Tanthrix:

That works too ;)

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juski:

turn it up enough & you can make the TV look trippy with motion trails & crap

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Yahooadam:

Hey all, i was wondering, with mythtv (im UK user)

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Yahooadam:

firstly, does it support the UK

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Yahooadam:

secondly, does it support sky and terrestrial/digital at the same time (if #1 is true)

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juski:

no it doesn't support the UK. be a lot to expect of a program to hold up a land mass

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juski:

however it'll *work* in the UK

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Yahooadam:

and if #2 is correct, will it record from both on the same tuner, or does it need 2 tuners (one for each)

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juski:

and yes you can use Sly & Freeview on the same machine

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juski:

there's no tuner which supports freeview & Sly simultaneously and NO tuner supports recording more than one thing at once.

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juski:

there's that hauppauge pvr500 card but that hasn't got only one tuner

[19:30:49]

Yahooadam:

yeah

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Yahooadam:

thanks

[19:31:03]

Yahooadam:

ive got the PVR150

[19:31:17]

Yahooadam:

now sky and terrestrial come down the same coax cable

[19:31:18]

juski:

so you can record from a Sly set top box

[19:31:24]

juski:

ugh

[19:31:35]

juski:

you don't wanna record using an RF feed from a satellite box

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Yahooadam:

maybe so :p but my rooms a bit far away ;)

[19:31:51]

juski:

svideo & stereo audio. you only get mono sound over coax from a STB

[19:32:23]

juski:

and changing channels on the STB will be pretty damn impossible unless you use a remote extender over the RF cable with your IR blaster

[19:32:31]

Yahooadam:

but im guessing it wont record terrestrial and sky on the same tuner (obj not at the same time)

[19:32:37]

Yahooadam:

sky has a tvlink :)

[19:32:42]

Yahooadam:

im already using MCE

[19:32:51]

Yahooadam:

but MS piss me off and i might try mythtv

[19:34:26]

Yahooadam:

well it definetly looks interesting

[19:34:39]

Yahooadam:

but it will support terrestrial and sky on a dual tuner ?

[19:34:56]

Yahooadam:

(which MCE doesnt, bloody MS)

[19:35:07]

juski:

yes

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juski:

you can mix & match stuff as much as you like in mythtv

[19:38:05]

juski:

FWIW, it's prolly more worthwhile getting a freeview tuner & shoving that in the box.

[19:40:05]

sphery:

juski: Did you try exiting with the Esc/Alt-Esc/Ctrl-Esc key combo you've set for mythfrontend?

[19:40:23]

juski:

it's not set

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juski:

heh. restarted X & it's ok now

[19:42:10]

sphery:

Cool.

[19:42:21]

juski:

crappy ubunut

[19:42:30]

sphery:

I didn't even realize you could disable the System Exit key.

[19:42:52]

sphery:

I have it at Alt-Esc (so I can use a flurry of Esc to get to the main menu without exiting).

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MrSassyPants:

scantv keeps crashing :/

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sphery:

Wonder if that's always been there.

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MrSassyPants:

at the same, ID-less channel

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sphery:

ID-less?

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sphery:

I wonder how many of these -users list posts discussing alternatives to SD are crossing into legally suspect (or even illegal) grounds.

[19:47:59]

Chutt:

all of em are against the ToS of the source data.

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sphery:

That's what I'd figure. The TiVo and ReplayTV discussions definitely didn't sound "in according with the TOS"

[19:49:36]

sphery:

The bad part is that most of the users probably feel it's perfectly fine since they're paying for the TiVo/ReplayTV account.

[19:49:44]

Chutt:

<shrug>

[19:49:47]

Chutt:

people can do what they want

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sphery:

Yeah. At least there's SD for the rest of us. :)

[19:52:18]

juski:

users feel it's perfectly fine to do all kinds of things to stuff they've allegedly already paid for

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juski:

if they wanna dice with lawsuits that's their perogative, just so long as they keep this project out of the mess they make

[19:53:17]

sphery:

that's a good point--it's easy to not even realize what they're actually paying for.

[19:53:33]

iamlindoro:

US-wise, violating TOS is a tort (a personal offense), not a criminal one, so they would be civilly liable, but probably not criminally... that said, civil liability hurts a lot more... and in some states they might be able to prove "theft of services," which *would* be criminal

[19:54:04]

GreyFoxx:

Wow. My backend kinda freaked out (multirec branch) this morning when 4 recordings ended at once

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GreyFoxx:

been chewing 70% of the cpu and filling the drive with logs ever since

[19:54:38]

sphery:

But the whole landscape seems to be shifting to a "stop the enabler, not the wrong-doer" approach. I don't want Myth to be seen as the enabler.

[19:54:52]

iamlindoro:

Agreed

[19:55:47]

juski:

nobody is going to be providing the dodgy scraper scripts in any official kind of capacity – i.e. from SVN or source tarballs so why worry much?

[19:56:27]

juski:

they can be pulled from tickets, and I assume also from the mailing list archives if it came to that

[19:56:37]

sphery:

true

[20:02:05]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: I've tested only simultaneous start of several recordings, anything inforamtive in the log

[20:02:51]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv.log

[20:03:11]

GreyFoxx:

looks like problems generating the pngs

[20:03:28]

GreyFoxx:

I trimmed that file it had filled up the partition :)

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GreyFoxx:

basically av_add_stream: Error, (s->nb_streams >= MAX_STREAMS) over and over

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Yahooadam:

(8:38:17 PM) juski: FWIW, it's prolly more worthwhile getting a freeview tuner & shoving that in the box.

[20:06:46]

Yahooadam:

thats a bit of a problem

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Yahooadam:

Sky isnt freeview, its payview ;) over satalite

[20:07:10]

cheesebourgeois:

Hello

[20:07:13]

Yahooadam:

and i dont even know if you can get a satalite tuner, which will support the viewing card

[20:07:49]

Yahooadam:

also, does mythtv support the MCE remote, and does it support the doohichie that changes the channel (the IR blaster ?)

[20:08:15]

Yahooadam:

and does mythdvd run on the frontend ?

[20:08:17]

iamlindoro:

yes yes

[20:08:19]

iamlindoro:

yes

[20:08:40]

JosefK:

is there a plugin similar to mythvideo (or tweaks for said plugin) that make working with removable media less painful?

[20:08:58]

Yahooadam:

ty :)

[20:09:12]

Yahooadam:

and i assume mythtv backend can be run headless ;)

[20:09:19]

GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: yup

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JosefK:

Yahooadam, of course :)

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Yahooadam:

sweet, it almost sounds too good to be true ;)

[20:09:43]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[20:09:44]

Yahooadam:

whats wrong with mythtv then :p

[20:09:54]

GreyFoxx:

It's not tivo simple to setup

[20:09:55]

iamlindoro:

You need moer than two brain cells to rub together to set it up

[20:10:13]

GreyFoxx:

but once it's up it's sweet

[20:10:15]

iamlindoro:

which leaves most of the MCE crowd out

[20:10:18]

Yahooadam:

hmm this is going to be expensive i forsee :p

[20:10:23]

GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: hehe

[20:10:30]

Yahooadam:

dual tuner and another remote :(

[20:10:47]

iamlindoro:

Why? What's wrong with your MCE remote?

[20:10:57]

Yahooadam:

if i run backend and front end seperatly

[20:11:04]

Yahooadam:

i need a IR blaster for the backend

[20:11:07]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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juski:

just get a freeview tuner – they're cheap as owt – and then you'll be ready for the analogue switchoff

[20:11:13]

Yahooadam:

and the remote for the frontend

[20:11:16]

GreyFoxx:

the backend deals with the "tuners"

[20:11:21]

GreyFoxx:

yup

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Yahooadam:

cant – its for sky

[20:11:31]

Yahooadam:

sky != freeview

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juski:

no point having a pvr500 if you only have one Sly STB though

[20:11:55]

Yahooadam:

yes but i can use the other on the analogue signal

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iamlindoro:

Buy a $10 serial ir blaster, and use your existing remote on your frontend

[20:12:04]

Yahooadam:

or i can get a dual digital and analogue one

[20:12:06]

juski:

until analogue is switched off

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Yahooadam:

where from iam ?

[20:12:30]

iamlindoro:

irblaster.info still exist? I think it does

[20:12:34]

iamlindoro:

lemme check

[20:12:42]

iamlindoro:

yup

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juski:

analogue in the UK starts being switched off next year

[20:13:07]

juski:

the last regions to go will be in 2012, so it'll pay to be ready

[20:13:10]

Yahooadam:

supposedly where i live, we can only get the "core" digital

[20:13:32]

Yahooadam:

and because we live in a dip, i have my doubts about that much

[20:13:33]

juski:

plus there's a lot of good stuff not on the main 5 terrestrial channels ;)

[20:13:34]

JosefK:

I'm slightly convinced the whole 'digital aerial' thing in the UK is a farce – it's still an analog carrier, or have they significantly changed the frequencies?

[20:13:48]

JosefK:

juski, if you like reality television, I guess so :/

[20:13:50]

Yahooadam:

however, my dads been convinced to goto argos, get a freeview tuner to find out, then take it back :p

[20:14:08]

juski:

JosefK: there's loads of good (i.e. non-reality) TV on freeview

[20:14:09]

Yahooadam:

i agree josefk

[20:14:26]

Yahooadam:

however, some crappy aeriels may not be able to pick up the wider bands

[20:14:32]

JosefK:

juski, this is true, I'm watching it on my newly setup MythTV box right now

[20:14:53]

juski:

right now you need a wideband aerial to get the benefit of freeview but when analogue is switched off, everything will change

[20:15:18]

Yahooadam:

the same problem happened with channel 4

[20:15:33]

Yahooadam:

because its so far off the standard channels, everyone needed a widerband ariel

[20:16:03]

juski:

you'd be hard-pressed to buy an aerial which isn't wideband in the shops now

[20:16:18]

juski:

only specialists carry the different band groups now

[20:16:30]

Yahooadam:

yeah

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JosefK:

Yahooadam, ah, I suppose those are the only people that will need digital aerials, but I think anyone who had a new one in the last 20 years should be fine

[20:16:45]

Yahooadam:

hopefully ;)

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juski:

my point is, depending on where you live buying another analogue tuner might only be good for the next couple of years

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Yahooadam:

bah

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Yahooadam:

$15 reciever and $6 postage :(

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juski:

http://www.stop-global-warming.co.uk/switchoff.htm

[20:18:08]

Yahooadam:

or $14 postage priority

[20:18:27]

LinuxHelp:

Is it possible to have mythtv poweroff my computer if there are no upcoming recordings for say, 24 hours?

[20:18:36]

juski:

LinuxHelp: of course it is

[20:19:06]

juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Shutdown_Wakeup

[20:19:47]

W6SN:

the digital aerial thing is a load of shit everywhere

[20:19:52]

W6SN:

the frequencies are the same

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juski:

they're not the same

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W6SN:

like?

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juski:

in the UK, channels were grouped in each area. aerials designed for the best reception of each aerial group were sold, meaning that if something new came along transmitting outside the frequency band for a particular area group, you need a new aerial to receive them

[20:21:58]

W6SN:

what are the bands?

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juski:

in the UHF channels between 21 & 68 (approx 400 to 900Mhz), they'd be Group A – Channels 21–37, Group B – Channels 35–53, etc

[20:24:15]

W6SN:

ok... and they are assigning things way out of group?

[20:24:25]

juski:

they have done in the past yes

[20:24:34]

W6SN:

why not get a LPDA capable of the whole band?

[20:24:45]

juski:

once analogue is switched off here, the digital TV transmissions will all be moving to new groups higher up the UHF band

[20:24:51]

Yahooadam:

beacause this is the UK – therefore completly incompetent

[20:25:12]

Yahooadam:

they only want to switch to digital so they can sell off the terrestrial bandwidth

[20:25:19]

juski:

boo hoo

[20:25:30]

juski:

go tell somebody who cares. oops. nobody cares

[20:25:52]

W6SN:

even so. you don't need a "digital aerial"

[20:25:54]

juski:

they're gonna do the same to DAB & FM too you know

[20:26:01]

W6SN:

you just need an aerial for a different band

[20:26:04]

juski:

you need a 'wideband aerial'

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Yahooadam:

actually alot of people care, why the fcuk do we have to change to poor quality transmission, buy all new equipment, just so the government can make some more money

[20:26:16]

W6SN:

so i stand by my previous statement.

[20:26:42]

juski:

emperor's new clothes by any other name

[20:27:07]

W6SN:

the digital aerial thing is a load of shit everywhere

[20:27:21]

Yahooadam:

its just a good way to charge Â£50 for a new ariel

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juski:

Yahooadam: more channels == more betterer, more Big Brother live feeds. more shopping channels & even more pay to play music channels and let's not forget premium-rate phone-in 'quiz' channels :D

[20:27:39]

juski:

more == better !

[20:27:48]

juski:

don't you know nuffink? ;)

[20:28:02]

Yahooadam:

yeah 50 channels with 1/2 the quality, no decent shows, for every 1 terrestrial channel

[20:28:07]

Yahooadam:

not that i can complain having sky :p

[20:28:31]

juski:

Sly are the worst offenders, for both bitrate/resolution & the actual content quality

[20:28:41]

juski:

even Sly HD is awful

[20:28:50]

juski:

just a higher resolution awful ;)

[20:28:58]

Yahooadam:

actually sky transmissions (can) look slightly better then terrestrial

[20:29:06]

Yahooadam:

and sky hd is a waste of time

[20:29:16]

juski:

Freeview can (and does) look better than analogue, especially in widescreen

[20:29:30]

Yahooadam:

even the guy who came to fix our tv ariel even said that :p

[20:29:42]

juski:

it's not very often I see compression artifacts spoiling the picture on my 32" TV

[20:30:39]

juski:

true it sometimes doesn't measure up to a good analogue picture but the fact here is – analogue is being killed off & there's nothing we can do about it

[20:31:10]

Yahooadam:

true

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Yahooadam:

i can still complain though :D

[20:31:26]

W6SN:

just remember, eventually, it'll all be like that episode in dr. who

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iamlindoro:

Which Doctor Who episode?

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juski:

I hope not. that episode was crap.. there's a lot more entertaining/useful TV than that

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iamlindoro:

The one with the evil Aerial alien?

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iamlindoro:

in all the TVs?

[20:32:47]

iamlindoro:

Yes, that one WAS crap

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juski:

I think he meant the one where all the TV was reality drivel & the population of the Earth were all brainwashed idiots

[20:33:17]

Gurft:

Anyone whos upgraded to 0.20.2 had any issues with mytharchive? For some reason all of my DVDs don't have any audio now...

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W6SN:

yup

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Gurft:

I dont' see anything earthshattering in the logs...

[20:33:23]

W6SN:

that one juski

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iamlindoro:

Ah, that one

[20:33:29]

iamlindoro:

That one wasn't SO bad

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W6SN:

i'm just saying... that's how it'll be soon! :)

[20:33:52]

juski:

who says the Earth isn't full of brainwashed idiots now?

[20:34:05]

W6SN:

no one did

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juski:

well not *full* but it's getting there

[20:34:11]

W6SN:

actually... you did :)

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iamlindoro:

but not The-Master-everyone-says-the-doctor-at-the-same-moment-and overcomes-evil-with-happy-nummy-feelings good.

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JosefK:

out of interest, is there a consensus over the easiest OS to manage a MythTV install on?

[20:35:33]

juski:

Linux is best to install mythtv on

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Gurft:

I do have this in the mythburn.log: Audio track 1 is in mp2 format – NOT re-encoding to ac3

[20:35:41]

Gurft:

curious if that might be my issue

[20:35:42]

fryfrog:

I've been happy with Ubuntu since moving to it from Gentoo

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JosefK:

juski, sorry, distro

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fryfrog:

Fedora has a lot of documentation since Jarod uses it

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juski:

you'll have grave difficulty installing it on Windows, or OS/9

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iamlindoro:

Or a backend on OS/X for that matter :)

[20:36:20]

JosefK:

juski, I was assuming linux ;) running Ubuntu atm, but I'm having some fun with automounting and mythvideo

[20:36:40]

Gurft:

JosefK: you're going to end up disabling that in the hAL config. I wrestled with it for like 2 weeks

[20:36:43]

Gurft:

finally gave up :-/

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juski:

ubuntu isn't bad, but then I don't use their mythtv packages

[20:36:51]

iamlindoro:

I think that Ubuntu's Docs are starting to rival Jarod's guide

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JosefK:

Gurft, I'm running without any of the gnome crud atm ;)

[20:37:01]

Daviey:

ubuntu mythtv packages ftw

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AndyCap:

the one problem with Fedora is the fact that some people in #fedora hate the atrpms repo and so it may be hard to get support from it there. Jarod does make Mythdora as well though

[20:37:02]

sphery:

Fedora has Jarod's docs, Axel's ATrpms packages. Ubuntu has some nice packages. Knoppix and MythDora are good Myth-included distros.

[20:37:15]

juski:

Daviey: hardly unbiassed ;)

[20:37:20]

sphery:

With MythDora, you get full benefit from Jarod's docs and Axel's packages.

[20:37:20]

Daviey:

:o

[20:37:53]

sphery:

Oh, I meant KnoppMyth, not Knoppix.

[20:37:55]

Daviey:

Mythbuntu might be worth considering, once it's out of beta ;)

[20:37:57]

Gurft:

I actually just went with juski's suggestion the other night, uninstalled the Ubuntu packages or Myth, and compiled 0.20.2 from the source download. had to grab a couple dependencies from multiverse, but that was it...

[20:38:01]

Gurft:

mostly '-dev' packages

[20:39:00]

fryfrog:

I'd go with -fixes instead of source packages

[20:39:02]

juski:

my only gripe with packages is that they can be pretty old

[20:39:03]

fryfrog:

i mean, svn -fixes

[20:39:18]

juski:

mythbuntu's repos will change all that though, so I hear

[20:39:22]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Are Ubuntu's docs community effort (wiki) style docs? If so, Jarod's may have the benefit of "tested" additions.

[20:39:22]

iamlindoro:

Gurft, what did you have to get? I only had to apt-get build-dep mythtv, then install taglib, and SVN compile went off without a hitch

[20:39:28]

juski:

weekly updates ftw!

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fryfrog:

Wiki

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Daviey:

juski: agreed not bleedin' edge – but mythbuntu does host ubuntu weekly builds ;)

[20:39:51]

Daviey:

of -fixes

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Gurft:

If I woudl have known I could have done apt-get build-dep mythtv, probably nothing ;)

[20:40:00]

juski:

yeah mythbuntu does. ubuntu never has though

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iamlindoro:

Sphery: Yeah, they are wiki-style... You have a point, although I haven't seen any glaring issues

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fryfrog:

For documentation, I actually prefer wiki style over single person written

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iamlindoro:

Ah, i see

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fryfrog:

I mean, of course unless the single person is really dedicated and a good writer

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juski:

and fwiw, the ubuntu community docs are as complete as you'd ever need – at least for installing & setting up

[20:40:41]

Daviey:

juski: yeah.. they could be upto 8–9 months old

[20:40:42]

fryfrog:

or paid, perhaps :)

[20:41:04]

JosefK:

juski, indeed – I just setup mythtv for the first time on ubuntu without a hitch from the community docs

[20:41:12]

Gurft:

I'm going to wait a couple weeks before I grab SVN or -fixes.... want to see the rest of the funky bugs worked out with this whole scheduling mess.

[20:41:18]

juski:

put it this way, if you're trying to install mythtv on ubuntu, you're wasting your time looking at a guide for any other distro – or indeed a generic one

[20:41:19]

JosefK:

just having fun with the main reason I did this – mythvideo and removable media :(

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iamlindoro:

I am ruminating writing a "complete dummies guide to upgrading your mythtv install to .20.2" post for mythtvtalk... but I'm worried I'd have to support it :)

[20:41:31]

sphery:

Wiki can be good or bad--often depends on how much moderation they get. I'm just kind of down on wiki's now because a lot of perfectly-reasonable sounding wrong information gets put on some.

[20:41:38]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: that problem isn't multirec related

[20:41:45]

juski:

iamlindoro: let the children catch a cold

[20:41:54]

Daviey:

juski: gentoo had pretty good docs last i checked.. and jarod does keep the FC ones pretty upto-date

[20:41:55]

iamlindoro:

hahah, yes dear

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fryfrog:

sphery: blech, yeah that'd blow monkey penix :(

[20:42:00]

Gurft:

iamlindoro: 'back up database, remove packages, install new packages or compile your own, start backend'

[20:42:02]

sphery:

(which is worse than outrageously wrong info because it's hard for a newbie--who's probably the one that needs the docs--to identify)

[20:42:04]

fryfrog:

valid sounding, bad information :/

[20:42:09]

JosefK:

a bit like http://www.astray.com/recipes/?show=Swedish%20lemon%20angels& nbsp;?

[20:42:18]

JosefK:

(nobody cook that btw)

[20:42:42]

juski:

noobs need to learn lessons fast. if they're too lazy to read, let that be their own lookout

[20:42:53]

iamlindoro:

Gurft, its the "compile your own" where the communication breaks down

[20:43:12]

sphery:

I like that recipe

[20:43:23]

juski:

iamlindoro: by the time you've written the guide, any distro worth knowing will have packages available

[20:43:34]

Daviey:

juski: brutal... but i agree.. I don't mind helping newb's providing they have exhausted google first

[20:43:36]

iamlindoro:

I suppose so

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Gurft:

Sadly not many peopel willing to 'figure it out'

[20:43:46]

juski:

Gurft: it's their loss

[20:43:50]

Gurft:

maybe better off putting your efforts into helping the packagers?

[20:43:59]

juski:

as somebody once said.. "make something idiot proof, they'll go & give you better idiots"

[20:44:00]

sphery:

I vote for that...

[20:44:08]

iamlindoro:

although I was looking at the board the other day and realizing that I tend to get carried away and a single line reply turns into a step by step guide with explanations

[20:44:22]

juski:

bump!

[20:44:26]

juski:

bump!

[20:44:38]

sphery:

Some people have gotten extremely involved with helping packagers and it's resulted in some significant changes to things like ATrpms and Ubuntu's packaging/configuration/setup.

[20:44:52]

juski:

that's really starting to piss me off now.. all the thread bumping. "hey!!! NOTICE ME!"

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iamlindoro:

well, I can live with bumping, albeit annoying, but it's ALWAYS within 6/12 hours

[20:45:15]

AndyCap:

bumping where?

[20:45:25]

BULLE:

uhm, and what does bumping mean ?

[20:45:25]

juski:

mythtvtalk.com

[20:45:36]

sphery:

I love the post to -users, no response in 1 hour, so repost to -dev ones

[20:45:41]

Daviey:

BULLE: Bump a thread to the top of the list with adding "Bump"

[20:45:43]

sphery:

(on the lists)

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juski:

bumping is a practise indulged in by selfish idiots who don't have the courtesy or patience to wait for answers to their questions

[20:46:22]

BULLE:

Daviey: oh

[20:46:24]

Daviey:

juski: They should at least be subtle.. with adding something useless to the thread

[20:47:04]

juski:

it's almost as bad as sending private messages or personal emails for help

[20:47:28]

juski:

I used to get a lot of those

[20:47:40]

NightMonkey:

fryfrog: Did someone say monkey penix?

[20:48:41]

juski:

gotta love the community & the little ankle biters. we'd all be nothing without em :-\

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iamlindoro:

Tell me how you really feel

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NightMonkey:

So, just a success report: I'm running 0.20.2 + SD subscription, and everything runs swimmingly.

[20:49:08]

juski:

anyway – time to watch some miffytv

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Daviey:

juski: bah.. you are one of those that actually USE mythtv?

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Gurft:

NightMonkey; I got my box upgraded this morning, when smootly and painlessly

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Gurft:

although I am contemplating a kernel and ivtv upgrade <shudder>

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RyeBrye:

Is there any kind of data improvement from the SD move?

[21:04:55]

RyeBrye:

(aside from the obvious improvement of HAVING data after the cutoff date)

[21:05:06]

NightMonkey:

Gurft: From what versions to what versions?

[21:05:20]

iamlindoro:

Not as of right now... still the same listings source, after all

[21:05:35]

RyeBrye:

Yeah. I was hoping though :)

[21:05:44]

Chutt:

but there are plans for enhanced data.

[21:05:48]

Perdignus:

Anyone using the new MythWeb Flash Player with 0.20.2?

[21:06:00]

RyeBrye:

not on a regular basis I'm not

[21:06:02]

RyeBrye:

but I've used it

[21:06:56]

NightMonkey:

Wait, the flash play IS included in 0.20.2?

[21:07:02]

NightMonkey:

s/play/player/

[21:07:16]

Perdignus:

No, it's not I don't think, that's why I'm asking

[21:07:33]

RyeBrye:

oh

[21:07:41]

RyeBrye:

nm. I was thinking trunk

[21:08:11]

nordle:

sphery: hello again. Well, I got a nv 6200. I disabled all vsync options using nvidia-settings (Im back to trying 1360x768 native). I re-configured myth with the enable-opengl-vsync switch. I entered the vsync in mythtv tv player settings. Went to watch TV and .. I get a locked single frame of the live-tv. Should it use deinterlace? And which mpeg2 driver, standard, xvmc or libmpeg2?

[21:09:01]

RyeBrye:

College Football season is starting soon – but I'm sad that I didn't get a chance to dig into the Myth code and create the ability for me to record the Game & the FM radio broadcast at the same time and then sync the audio later for playback (or at the same time if I watch it live)

[21:09:10]

** RyeBrye really hates his TV commentators, but likes the radio guys **

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nordle:

Also, when playing videos, it uses the Internal player, but I've put in an mplayer command instead, does it fall back to Internal if mplayer fails?

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fryfrog:

RyeBrye: what about commercials and stuff?

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nordle:

Without vsync settings, pre-recorded TV, videos, DVD's all have massive tearing.

[21:10:42]

RyeBrye:

fryfrog – commercials would happen at the same time... since they have their little media breaks

[21:10:49]

fryfrog:

oh, really?

[21:10:52]

sphery:

nordle: I use standard MPEG-2 decoding. libmpeg2 is faster but less reliable. XvMC is only necessary if your CPU is underpowered.

[21:10:52]

fryfrog:

i didn't know that

[21:11:01]

fryfrog:

i thought they just kind of paused the feed of the game

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RyeBrye:

fryfrog – the game breaks for commercials... A man with a purple hat stands on the field to indicate to the players when it's a media timeout

[21:11:29]

Yahooadam:

oo that was a question, how does mythtv detect adverts ?

[21:11:29]

fryfrog:

seriously?

[21:11:37]

fryfrog:

do they do that in other sports? like baseball?

[21:11:42]

RyeBrye:

fryfrog – yeah – seriously... it's purple in this conference

[21:11:46]

sphery:

nordle: Don't know about fallback in MythVideo. I think it just uses what you configured or default is there's nothing specified for the filetype.

[21:11:46]

RyeBrye:

I don't know about baseball

[21:12:00]

nordle:

sphery: what about deinterlace option at the top of the same screen?

[21:12:06]

RyeBrye:

I just know about football because I was involved with the Athletic Media Relations at my school and someone explained it to me...

[21:12:12]

fryfrog:

I never realised they paused the game in real life for commercials :)

[21:12:15]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, annoying :)

[21:12:16]

fryfrog:

must be really annoying for people *at* the game

[21:12:24]

nordle:

sphery: ooo filetype, good point, I'll check.

[21:12:29]

RyeBrye:

It is – but they usually do stupid things to get the fans excited

[21:12:35]

RyeBrye:

like throw out t-shirts or do on-field promotions

[21:12:38]

fryfrog:

ahhh

[21:12:38]

sphery:

nordle: I have mine set to deinterlace with kernel deint. I have a 1080p TV and get both 720p and 1080i content and Myth knows when to disable deint.

[21:12:52]

fryfrog:

and they last about the same amount of time as the commercials a tv viewer would be seeing?

[21:13:00]

RyeBrye:

Yeah

[21:13:03]

fryfrog:

crazy :p

[21:13:13]

Gurft:

I know in ice hockey a little light turns on and everyone just hangs out between plays

[21:13:13]

iamlindoro:

Hrm, weird... I went to a PAC 10 school and had season football tickets.. but never noticed any media breaks... weird.

[21:13:15]

RyeBrye:

The purple hat guy in our stadium stands at about the 10 yard line

[21:13:16]

sphery:

nordle: remember the filetype is in MythVideo settings (i.e. not related to the desktop environment's file associations).

[21:13:19]

Yahooadam:

in football they usually show it all the time its on without ads

[21:13:31]

Yahooadam:

then halftime they give you a nice blast to make up for it :p

[21:13:41]

RyeBrye:

Oh, you mean non-american football :)

[21:13:51]

Yahooadam:

bah :p

[21:13:57]

Yahooadam:

damn cross nationality :p

[21:14:11]

fryfrog:

real football :p

[21:14:19]

Yahooadam:

violent rugby :p

[21:14:36]

iamlindoro:

Hey, the foot touches the ball... occasionally... in our football too ;)

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** sphery can't find the document with notes on a new feature he was adding to Myth... **

[21:14:45]

iamlindoro:

And Violent Rugby is Irish football

[21:15:00]

Yahooadam:

:p

[21:15:13]

Yahooadam:

the irish are sobre long enough to play football ? :p

[21:15:30]

Yahooadam:

IMO – football (socker) is crap

[21:15:39]

Yahooadam:

such a bloody pansie sport

[21:15:48]

nordle:

sphery: And just to double check, you have NO vsync settings in nvidia? After searching for hours on various settings (why are the nvidia ones not all in one place....mumble....mumble....mutter...) this is my xorg (the important bits). Does anything look crazy to you, it would be great if you could take a look. http://pastebin.ca/672773

[21:16:09]

iamlindoro:

Ooooh, a drunken irishman joke, never heard one of those :P

[21:16:12]

iamlindoro:

grrr

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Yahooadam:

:D

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RyeBrye:

!trout Irish pint-of

[21:16:37]

** MythLogBot slaps Irish with a pint-of trout on behalf of RyeBrye... **

[21:17:07]

iamlindoro:

I don't think that parsed properly :)

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RyeBrye:

MythLogBot is drunk ;)

[21:17:24]

Yahooadam:

is winmyth any good ?

[21:17:30]

RyeBrye:

no

[21:17:31]

RyeBrye:

can't be

[21:17:36]

RyeBrye:

it runs on Windows

[21:17:38]

Yahooadam:

:p

[21:18:01]

Yahooadam:

well b4 i move to mythtv id like to keep my MCE going for a bit

[21:18:07]

iamlindoro:

Every time someone runs WinMyth, God makes Michael Vick drown a puppy

[21:18:28]

iamlindoro:

apologies to our non-US viewers :)

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cheesebourgeois:

hi

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Yahooadam:

thanks for the applogy :p

[21:18:50]

iamlindoro:

I am not aware of WinMyth even running with current versions of MythTV

[21:19:04]

cheesebourgeois:

Does anyone have any advice on how to get my digital out to work on my Chaintek AV710?

[21:19:08]

iamlindoro:

I think it's at least two years out of date

[21:19:14]

iamlindoro:

And it's frontend only, anyway

[21:19:22]

Yahooadam:

i know

[21:19:30]

Yahooadam:

but i can use my new tuner with my backend

[21:19:40]

Yahooadam:

and use winmyth so i dont have to reinstall my frontend :p

[21:19:41]

iamlindoro:

So it won't run with current versions of mythbackend

[21:19:45]

iamlindoro:

nope

[21:19:55]

iamlindoro:

you can't run different versions of frontend and backend

[21:20:00]

iamlindoro:

different protocols

[21:20:03]

Yahooadam:

"February 18, 2006"

[21:20:10]

Yahooadam:

i guess it is a bit out of date ;)

[21:20:15]

Yahooadam:

sigh

[21:20:47]

Yahooadam:

guess i can use the web interface ..

[21:20:54]

Yahooadam:

its not like winmyth is any better

[21:21:33]

Yahooadam:

oo

[21:21:40]

Yahooadam:

found somthing called "mythtv player2

[21:21:44]

Yahooadam:

player" #

[21:22:12]

DustyBin:

how strange, when i press a button on my remote you cannot see any light, but when i point my remote at my webcam and view the image i can see light when i bush buttons

[21:22:12]

NightMonkey:

Yahooadam: If you just want to watch shows, use a combination of mythrename.pl (in the contrib directory of the mythtv source) and samba to share your recordings directory with Window$ clients.

[21:22:45]

iamlindoro:

Dusty: As you would with any IR device in any digital camera :)

[21:22:49]

Yahooadam:

dustybin – the led mustve died

[21:22:54]

NightMonkey:

Yahooadam: Then you can use the player of your choice. ;)

[21:23:03]

Yahooadam:

fair enough :)

[21:23:07]

Yahooadam:

ty for info

[21:23:23]

sphery:

nordle: Don't know about your xorg.conf. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/246151#246151 (bottom of post).

[21:23:25]

Gurft:

dustybin: It's becuase your webcam CCD can pick up IR

[21:23:28]

NightMonkey:

Yahooadam: mythrename.pl renames the recordings into human-readable names.

[21:23:30]

Gurft:

and your eye cannot...

[21:23:48]

NightMonkey:

Yahooadam: (and updates the myth DB so it doesn't get confused)

[21:23:51]

sphery:

nordle: better, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/210722#210722

[21:24:11]

Gurft:

dustybin: thats how they brighten up night vision, they use IR emitters and they act as 'flashlights' to night vision goggles

[21:24:12]

JosefK:

I'm trying to setup a Hauppage remote using 'Edit keys' – xev shows some output, so I know that's working, but most of the time 'edit keys' just shows 'unknown key'?

[21:24:12]

Yahooadam:

umm dustybin – do u mean u cant see anything from the IR at the end, or do u mean the LED doesnt light up on your remote anymore, but it is still emmiting IR light ?

[21:24:16]

iamlindoro:

example being the Wii controller, which is simply a 640x480 camera that picks up the IR from the "sensor bar," which is just a few regular IR LEDs

[21:24:29]

JosefK:

is there any way to turn off the range checking it's using there?

[21:24:44]

DustyBin:

i see

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sphery:

Gurft: that's why my TV keeps changing channels when I'm watching it with my NVG's on.

[21:25:02]

RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: it isn't simply a camera – it's got 3 accelerometers in it

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Yahooadam:

thats a different bit of the remote

[21:25:29]

RyeBrye:

iamlindoro – the camera is just there for calibration... when people hacked the drivers to get them to work with computers, people were able to use them as pointers without having the sensor bar anywhere

[21:25:50]

Yahooadam:

no they had to use the acceleromiter

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iamlindoro:

Rye: They can use them as pointers because that only uses the accelerometer,

[21:25:58]

Yahooadam:

you have to use the IR Bar

[21:26:01]

sphery:

NightMonkey: Though you're better off using mythrename.pl --link and not changing the MythTV filenames.

[21:26:15]

sphery:

Yahooadam: ^^^^, too

[21:26:24]

iamlindoro:

You need the IR bar to triangulate position and have true "pointer" capability

[21:26:59]

RyeBrye:

true

[21:27:01]

iamlindoro:

The accelerometers determine physical orientation of the control, the pointer portion in the wii is wimply a camera and two banks of LEDs

[21:27:19]

iamlindoro:

er simply

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Yahooadam:

3 IR led's ;)

[21:27:34]

Yahooadam:

i think

[21:27:34]

iamlindoro:

negative

[21:27:37]

Yahooadam:

im sure it was 3 :S

[21:27:38]

RyeBrye:

That's what we need – MythWiiMote :)

[21:27:39]

iamlindoro:

two banks, three LEDs each

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iamlindoro:

six total

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Yahooadam:

really ?

[21:27:54]

iamlindoro:

yep

[21:27:58]

iamlindoro:

three left, three right

[21:28:11]

Chutt:

my sensor bar has 10 leds

[21:28:17]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, people used 2 lit candles in place of the sensor bar

[21:28:18]

Yahooadam:

maybe it depends on the bar

[21:28:19]

Chutt:

but that's cuz i made it myself :p

[21:28:57]

iamlindoro:

Hahah, I built one with a project box and some IR LEDs from Radio shack too, because my system is a Projector and the wii Bar wouldn't work

[21:29:10]

Yahooadam:

ha ha

[21:29:16]

Yahooadam:

loads of people complained about that ;)

[21:29:18]

Chutt:

iamlindoro, yup.

[21:29:33]

Yahooadam:

actually

[21:29:41]

Yahooadam:

i thought u could use it with a projected screen ?

[21:29:43]

Chutt:

iamlindoro, see http://www.mythtv.org/basement/wii/img_1088.jpg =)

[21:29:48]

Yahooadam:

beacause the IR LED's dont have to be at the edge ...

[21:30:03]

Yahooadam:

their just used as reference points

[21:30:16]

iamlindoro:

Yes, but when your Projection screen is the taller than the wire is long, you have a problem

[21:30:21]

Chutt:

they have to be fairly close to the screen

[21:30:23]

Yahooadam:

yeah :p

[21:30:28]

Yahooadam:

big complaints about that b4 ;)

[21:30:33]

Chutt:

and visible from where you're sitting/standing

[21:30:50]

iamlindoro:

And since my whole audio/video pier is in another room, and all the cables are run in the walls...

[21:30:52]

Yahooadam:

oo that was another thing i was wondering about

[21:30:56]

iamlindoro:

I had to get creative

[21:31:09]

Yahooadam:

if you use a XB360 as a MC extender, does it work with mythtv ?

[21:31:16]

iamlindoro:

Chutt: Yeah, simipar to mine, although mine doesn't look like the eye of some giant spider ;)

[21:31:23]

iamlindoro:

er similar

[21:31:40]

Chutt:

i keep meaning to add a visible led to it, though

[21:31:49]

Chutt:

tend to leave it on

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Yahooadam:

who cares ? :p

[21:31:59]

iamlindoro:

Me too

[21:32:10]

iamlindoro:

batteries, yahooadam

[21:32:17]

iamlindoro:

in my case, anyway

[21:32:27]

Chutt:

mine's wall powered :p

[21:32:49]

Yahooadam:

yeah exactly :p

[21:32:56]

iamlindoro:

I think mine was all of $4 in parts, hahah

[21:32:57]

sphery:

Yahooadam: There's mention of using the XB360 to play UPnP content from Myth (I think CDev, the author of UPnP has gotten it to work), but I don't know how. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 85049#285049

[21:32:58]

Yahooadam:

if its wall powered (as i saw it was) whats wrong with leaving it on

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Yahooadam:

its like 1W max probably

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sphery:

Yahooadam: I've never gotten mine to to work, but I'm sure it's just a lack of knowledge of proper configuration.

[21:33:33]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Use "--link" to just avoid potential issues?

[21:33:46]

iamlindoro:

Chutt: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=85

[21:33:52]

iamlindoro:

although mine are at the bottom and not visible

[21:34:02]

sphery:

NightMonkey: Yes (I can give you ticket #'s if you like--I've been updating the patches today). And because it's /far/ more powerful.

[21:34:07]

Chutt:

iamlindoro, bottom didn't work for me

[21:34:28]

sphery:

NightMonkey: I create 5 directories of links--each containing a different "view" of my recordings, with different sorting.

[21:34:36]

iamlindoro:

For me it works better 'cause I'm generally sitting on the couch and it puts the IR right in front of me

[21:35:05]

Yahooadam:

rich bastard :p – where u get all these projectors from :p

[21:35:07]

NightMonkey:

sphery: It does require a bit more configuration of samba to follow the symlinks properly – I used to do it that way, but xris told me a long time ago, when he was revamping mythrename (to perl) that this was ok.

[21:35:20]

iamlindoro:

Imported from japan... half the price, and 1080p!

[21:35:27]

Yahooadam:

nice :)

[21:35:30]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Ah, you're doing some mythrename with extra spices. ;)

[21:35:38]

Yahooadam:

still like $/Â£700 ??

[21:35:52]

iamlindoro:

$2600 USD

[21:36:00]

sphery:

NightMonkey: It's OK, but not well tested. I think most devs keep the filenames unchanged.

[21:36:10]

iamlindoro:

Almost $6000 non-imported, though, so it was worth it

[21:36:17]

Yahooadam:

holy ****

[21:36:21]

Chutt:

the blue panel in my projector (older panasonic) is dying :(

[21:36:37]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Oops. Yeah, I'm "bought in" to the rename now – but I'll reccomend using "--link" from now on to others. Thanks.

[21:36:38]

Yahooadam:

i thought they were like $1500

[21:36:38]

sphery:

NightMonkey: though by disabling the Unix extensions in Samba, you'll follow links.

[21:36:41]

iamlindoro:

MythTV in 106 Inch 1080p is glorious

[21:36:49]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Yeah, that's what I did.

[21:36:52]

iamlindoro:

you might be able to get an SD projector for that

[21:36:58]

sphery:

NightMonkey: Actually, mythrename.pl allows you to buy out... :)

[21:37:06]

Yahooadam:

ah :)

[21:37:10]

iamlindoro:

or maybe even find a crappy 720p

[21:37:14]

Yahooadam:

my dads friend just got a Sony HD projector

[21:37:15]

iamlindoro:

but not 1080p

[21:37:18]

Yahooadam:

moron <_<

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NightMonkey:

sphery: Ah, it does? Didn't know that.

[21:37:27]

iamlindoro:

and most of the "HD" Projectors only do 720p

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Yahooadam:

i dunno, knowing him it was probably damn expensive

[21:37:47]

NightMonkey:

Chutt: Do you have docs on your Wii mega sensor bar – or did you use someone elses basic plan?

[21:37:57]

sphery:

NightMonkey: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/256917#256917

[21:38:00]

Chutt:

NightMonkey, uh, it's 5 leds + a resistor per side.

[21:38:06]

Chutt:

you don't really need a 'plan' :p

[21:38:26]

iamlindoro:

And a RS Wall wart, I presume?

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Chutt:

well, i bought everything from mouser, but, sure

[21:39:02]

Chutt:

+ a switch.

[21:39:07]

iamlindoro:

6 of one, half dozen of the other, I guess

[21:39:19]

NightMonkey:

sphery: Thanks.

[21:39:21]

sphery:

Isn't it true that to get 1080p resolvable from a projector would require something like a $40K Runco?

[21:39:24]

Yahooadam:

not that you really need the switch :p

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iamlindoro:

Sphery, how do you mean? Mine is native 1920x1080

[21:40:02]

Yahooadam:

the difference between 1080p and 1080i in showing it is nothing

[21:40:04]

Yahooadam:

i believe

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sphery:

Yeah, that many pixels, but not resolvable on the actual projected image.

[21:40:15]

sphery:

One sec...

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Yahooadam:

because a projector uses a LCD screen thing to display it

[21:40:28]

Yahooadam:

and LCD displays refresh all at the same time

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: until the image moves that is..

[21:40:49]

Yahooadam:

therefore, it just requires better circuitry to prep the data for the refresh with 1080p vs 1080i

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NightMonkey:

Chutt: Neat idea.

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Yahooadam:

i wouldve thought the difference between 1080i vs 1080p is negiligable though

[21:43:04]

Yahooadam:

cos in 1080i the image refreshes at 30hz

[21:43:08]

Yahooadam:

and 1080p is at 60hz

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: not when scrolling sideways it isn't

[21:43:18]

Yahooadam:

but even 30hz is faster then the human eye can see

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sphery:

Hmmm. Can't find the article I"m thinking about, but it comes down to the difference between addressable and resolvable pixels.

[21:43:32]

AndyCap:

Yahooadam: ho-hum.

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sphery:

a 1080p projector would have 1080p addressable pixels

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Yahooadam:

that was my understanding though ;)

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Yahooadam:

1080i vs 1080p = no difference in resolution

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sphery:

Yahooadam, but unfortunately, resyncing the eye's refresh interval to align with the display's refresh is difficult. :)

[21:45:14]

iamlindoro:

Sphery, not sure I've seen that info... All I can say is that I am able to discern individual pixels easily enough from very close up to the projection screen... but I may not be following :)

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jams:

quick poll, how many people would find the device as described at http://paste.bigbudden.com/view.php?id=2962 useful

[21:46:35]

AndyCap:

unless you're talking about this:http://s3.amazonaws.com/carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.png

[21:46:42]

Yahooadam:

good id think

[21:46:52]

Yahooadam:

aslong as the plugs go on a PCI bracket in the rear

[21:47:02]

iamlindoro:

I would buy 5, that's a great idea

[21:47:15]

jams:

price doesn' scare anybody off?

[21:47:20]

iamlindoro:

although I don't like the IR blast idea

[21:47:26]

AndyCap:

jams: apart from plugs in the front sure.

[21:47:29]

iamlindoro:

'cause I don't want wires coming out the front

[21:47:35]

jams:

right

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jams:

plugs probably wouldn't be up front

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Yahooadam:

yeah so my PCI bracket comment ;)

[21:48:02]

sphery:

AndyCap: They just need to overlay the recommended viewing position on there...

[21:48:10]

Yahooadam:

how would it connect to the PC ?

[21:48:12]

Yahooadam:

USB ?

[21:48:19]

sphery:

So people can see that 1080p vs 720p is irrelevant at proper viewing distances/angles.

[21:48:24]

jams:

yeah usb

[21:48:31]

Yahooadam:

and the CD drive ?

[21:48:40]

sphery:

(not completely irrelevant, but not a big deal)

[21:48:42]

Yahooadam:

sata/pata/usb ?

[21:48:46]

jblack:

So, anybody working close enough to schedules direct to have some idea as to how many accounts have been set up?

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jams:

cdrive would be whatever you purchase, so most likely ide

[21:49:24]

iamlindoro:

Set up aside, how many have been PAID for instead of just the 7 day trial

[21:49:40]

jblack:

I mean paid.

[21:49:44]

jblack:

thanks for clarifying

[21:49:45]

Yahooadam:

ah, so it would just have a cradle for the CD drive ?

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sphery:

jblack: I think > 400, but that's just from comments I've heard.

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jams:

Yahooadam- yeah, of course a dvd drive would be recommended

[21:50:54]

Yahooadam:

thats what i meant but yeah :p

[21:50:59]

jblack:

I suppose that the end of september will be the best measuring point.

[21:51:08]

GreyFoxx:

more than 400 :)

[21:51:10]

Yahooadam:

well IMO, would be good to offer it with the DVD drive

[21:51:19]

Yahooadam:

beacause u need an adaptor for slimline drives

[21:51:37]

Yahooadam:

so 3 packages, the thingy, thingy with adaptor, and thingy with adaptor and drive

[21:51:37]

jams:

true

[21:51:48]

jblack:

I'd love it to hear a number. There's safety in good numbers. ;D

[21:51:54]

Gurft:

is there an IRC channel for the ivtv guys?

[21:51:57]

jams:

i'm not a fan of slimline dvd's

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iamlindoro:

ivtv-dev

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Gurft:

curious where the ivtv sutff is in the new 2.6.22 kernel

[21:52:08]

GreyFoxx:

jblack: almost enough to break even at $5 per month

[21:52:23]

Gurft:

danke

[21:52:24]

jams:

what about a vairation of the product without dvd in a 3 1/2" slot

[21:52:27]

iamlindoro:

bitte

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jblack:

And we haven't even passed the 15th of sept yet. That's awesome.

[21:52:37]

iamlindoro:

Sept 14th or so will be when the subs take off, I bet

[21:52:49]

** AndyCap does like rf remotes though **

[21:53:10]

iamlindoro:

jams, I'd buy it with just the VFD and IR receiver (and Blasters in PCI slot)

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GreyFoxx:

jblack:yeaH :)

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sphery:

jams: or a variation of the product (no DVD) in a nice enclosure for those of us who put our Myth boxes in other rooms (drill through the wall)?

[21:53:58]

jblack:

So, do you know how man paying subscribers there are right now?

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Yahooadam:

sphery – how do u play dvds ?

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GreyFoxx:

I do

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jams:

sphery- sounds good

[21:54:23]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I think Sep 16. Those who run out of data will spend 2 days writing e-mails to the -users list/asking questions on here before they figure out what happened. :)

[21:54:29]

iamlindoro:

hahaha, true

[21:54:36]

GreyFoxx:

the real interesting numbes will be by the end of Sept

[21:54:38]

iamlindoro:

and then the support pain begins

[21:54:47]

AndyCap:

it ends on 15th? they have 1 or 2 weeks of data to go before noticing

[21:54:59]

jams:

thanks for the feedback, no idea on timing or if it will happen though

[21:55:09]

Gurft:

It seems up in the air (at least from what I've seen) as to whether or not the guide data past the 1st is any good

[21:55:10]

Gurft:

?

[21:55:14]

AndyCap:

if they haven't heard it yet, they won't notice before the program guide is empty

[21:55:16]

jblack:

Yeah. How many paying ones are there now, not including me?

[21:55:18]

sphery:

Yahooadam: If I were to do so (as I don't since I don't have a license for CSS :), I would confuse the guests at my house by saying, "Let's watch the movie," and walking out of the TV room. :)

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Yahooadam:

lol

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Yahooadam:

and liscence for css ?

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GreyFoxx:

gurst: People still using zap2it now are getting data past Sept1st alrady

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Gurft:

good stuff then

[21:55:57]

sphery:

Content Scrambling System. DVD's technological protection mechanism.

[21:56:02]

Gurft:

at least it gives people a bit more time

[21:56:07]

Gurft:

I converted this morning, smooth sailing

[21:56:15]

AndyCap:

sphery: well, you could buy non css dvd's . :P

[21:56:21]

Yahooadam:

yeah i know what css is ;) but why do u need a liscence ?

[21:56:23]

GreyFoxx:

jblack: Until I've been told it's ok to give out exact numbers I really can't say :) I'm sure the info will come out though

[21:56:23]

Gurft:

I coulnd't imagine the beatings I would get from my wife if we missed an episode of 'The Hills'

[21:56:25]

jblack:

Yeah. I only had problem with 18 hours of data. Otherwise all was good.

[21:56:37]

GreyFoxx:

Gurft: hehe

[21:56:40]

AndyCap:

it's not like you have a license on mpeg either.. :P

[21:56:53]

sphery:

AndyCap: true. Like wedding DVD's and home video transfer DVD's. :)

[21:56:54]

Gurft:

Grr, anyone here running ivtv and kernel 2.6.22?

[21:56:55]

jblack:

grey: Awww. Ok.

[21:57:05]

Gurft:

I cna't find teh driver in the kernel, it's supposedly been intergrated and the ivtv-dev channel is silent.

[21:57:21]

AndyCap:

sphery: it think it was in france there were a number of non-css commercial dvds

[21:57:41]

sphery:

AndyCap: cool.

[21:58:29]

sphery:

But, using MPEG without a license is a non-criminal offense. Illegally circumventing technological protection measures designed to protect intellectual property is a federal felony offense (DMCA).

[21:58:53]

Yahooadam:

sphery – why do u need a liscence to play CSS protected discs ????

[21:59:05]

AndyCap:

not sure if it's non-criminal, but not excplictly covered by the dmca sure.

[21:59:18]

AndyCap:

anyhoo..

[21:59:22]

sphery:

Technically, you simply need a license to de-CSS them. Playback is allowed, but to do so...

[21:59:51]

Yahooadam:

well i put a DVD in the drive, press play, and go

[21:59:51]

sphery:

AndyCap: That's probably a better way of saying it. I guess perhaps, it's at least not a federal felony.

[21:59:58]

Yahooadam:

i didnt need a liscence, why do u ?

[22:00:04]

AndyCap:

Yahooadam: because that's the only legal way of getting a css key.

[22:00:04]

nordle:

sphery: Very interesting links, slightly depressing too, to see obvious issues with LCD panels and nvidia issues. Having given them a go, the bob looked good but did bobble. I did consider tweaking the overscan settings in myth to try and lose a few pixels which might have gotten round it. But in the end, settled for standard+myth opengl vsync+linear deint. kernel still gave large tearing. But its much better than it was! Thanks. I'm on to tryin

[22:00:42]

sphery:

Yahooadam: and if you're in the US, installing some of the software that works around the CSS may be (is?) a violation of DMCA.

[22:01:08]

Yahooadam:

but u dont need to circumvent CSS to play a DvD :S

[22:01:08]

AndyCap:

which is why no us linux distro comes with css descrambling software

[22:01:15]

sphery:

Right.

[22:01:18]

AndyCap:

umm, yes you do.

[22:02:00]

sphery:

I guess if you treat the encrypted stream as uncompressed digital video, you could create images (of static) without circumventing CSS.

[22:02:23]

AndyCap:

not really interesting to watch, unless you're under the influence.

[22:02:33]

Yahooadam:

im soooo confused lol

[22:02:39]

Yahooadam:

so how does anyone play a DVD ?

[22:02:43]

sphery:

But I think I could find static without even buying a DVD. Doesn't xscreensaver have a hack that does static?

[22:03:11]

Yahooadam:

i just dont understand why u cant have CSS and play at the same time ...

[22:03:13]

AndyCap:

breaking the law in the us or buying a licensed dvd player hard/soft

[22:03:13]

sphery:

Yahooadam: we all use MS Windows and licensed DVD player software or set-top dedicated DVD players.

[22:03:28]

sphery:

we're big fans of Windows here.

[22:03:33]

GreyFoxx:

speher: Or live outside of the US

[22:03:34]

Yahooadam:

ah i see

[22:03:37]

Yahooadam:

so its a linux problem ...

[22:03:42]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: I'm considering that one...

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iamlindoro:

No, linux is fine, it's the DRM that blows

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AndyCap:

sphery: it's an excellent solution

[22:03:59]

AndyCap:

:)

[22:04:00]

GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: There are no "free" licensed CSS decoders

[22:04:00]

Yahooadam:

well thats a given :p

[22:04:17]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: Unfortunately, though, the US is starting to get other interesting places to do similar things.

[22:04:18]

Yahooadam:

well how do they expect u to play a DVD outside windows ?

[22:04:29]

iamlindoro:

They don't

[22:04:30]

AndyCap:

Yahooadam: they don't. :)

[22:04:30]

GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: they don't

[22:04:31]

sphery:

On your STB

[22:04:38]

sphery:

Sony DVD Player

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GreyFoxx:

they want to control you and when/how to do it

[22:04:41]

sphery:

or whatever

[22:04:51]

AndyCap:

well, there's lindvd which license a linux binary dvd player to oems

[22:05:00]

AndyCap:

dunno what kiss used in their player

[22:05:03]

iamlindoro:

Ideally that DVD player (a la Blu Ray) has an internet connection so they can shut you off at any time too

[22:05:03]

sphery:

I for one welcome our new media overlords

[22:05:06]

AndyCap:

whic was linux based

[22:05:10]

GreyFoxx:

there was a powerdvd linux port once

[22:05:14]

GreyFoxx:

haven't seen it in years

[22:05:31]

AndyCap:

seems corel bought intervideo.

[22:05:31]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: wasn't that only licensed for appliance makers?

[22:05:33]

Yahooadam:

and u cant descramble CSS in linux because ?

[22:05:39]

AndyCap:

http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/Product_Profile.jsp?p=LinDVD

[22:05:44]

iamlindoro:

Il-Leg-al.

[22:05:51]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: Came with Turbo Linux. You could buy TL and get it , all legal

[22:05:53]

jams:

sphery- you could purchase it with turbolinux

[22:05:57]

sphery:

cool

[22:05:59]

AndyCap:

Yahooadam: because its illegal? you have a attention span deficit?

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GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: It's not a matter of can't

[22:06:10]

jams:

that being said it didn't support lirc

[22:06:16]

GreyFoxx:

It's a matter of deciding if you are willing to take any legal consequences

[22:06:16]

Yahooadam:

and how would they ever find out ?

[22:06:29]

jams:

it also couldn't read iso's off the filesystem

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iamlindoro:

yahooadam: Nobody is saying that it's not POSSIBLE, or that there isn't software that's VERY EASY TO GET to do it, just that this is a project that is trying to be sqeauky clean and nobody in here is going to aid someone in DOING it

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AndyCap:

/var/log/httpd/access_log from the css download site. :P

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sphery:

jams: cool... I'm guessing binary only, too, right?

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AndyCap:

it's not like they're suing random people for downloading illegal software is it

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GreyFoxx:

Yahooadam: 5 minutes of googling will turn of plenty of info on how to do it

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AndyCap:

:>

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jams:

sphery yep

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Yahooadam:

well im in the UK

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Yahooadam:

will i get a problem ?

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: ask an attorney

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sphery:

good answer

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tjcarter:

You can descramble CSS in Linux.

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jams:

sphery- our talks with powerdvd to improve the product went nowhere. Lot's of shuffling around from person to person and then finally silence

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: I have a cd of it around here somewhere. I bought it once upon a time :)

[22:08:16]

iamlindoro:

I think this conversation is probably starting to tread into questionable ground

[22:08:18]

tjcarter:

you can't do it in the US legally, but many people flagrantly refuse to obey such stupidity.

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sphery:

wonder if it works with modern systems

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AndyCap:

tjcarter: not only in US

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Yahooadam:

how is it legal to deny them from playing it on your Media center PC

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jams:

even when the product was new, they tied to an old version of glibc..so i kinda doubt it

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Yahooadam:

for them to deny u #

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tjcarter:

AndyCap: That's right, AU has some silliness like that now as well, don't they?

[22:09:02]

iamlindoro:

Because from their perspective you

[22:09:08]

iamlindoro:

are "licensing" their software

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AndyCap:

tjcarter: a lot of eu countries as well

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iamlindoro:

and you have to obey their terms of use

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Yahooadam:

its not software though

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Yahooadam:

its a film :p

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Gurft:

is there a way to disable autoexpire on all existing recordings of a given show

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Gurft:

or do I have to go to each one individuall?

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tjcarter:

AndyCap: I actively seek to defeat DRM on principle.

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iamlindoro:

Sure it's software

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iamlindoro:

Digital data doesn't have to be executable to be software

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sphery:

tjcarter: I think NZ does, too.

[22:10:14]

tjcarter:

Exactly twice in the US has any attempt been made to enforce that stupidity, and both times the government came out looking awfully foolish.

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iamlindoro:

And most media has license terms, including, you guessed it, DVD

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Yahooadam:

"Computer software, consisting of programs, enables a computer to perform specific tasks"

[22:10:33]

Yahooadam:

what specific task does a dvd allow you to perform ?

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: is that a legal definition?

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Yahooadam:

dunno :p

[22:11:05]

Yahooadam:

where would u find a legal definition of a word ?

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tjcarter:

law library ;)

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sphery:

Gurft: I don't know (for sure) of a way through the Myth UI.

[22:11:25]

iamlindoro:

Software is any data interpretable by hardware

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tjcarter:

although most license agreements spell out their definitions carefully.

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: court cases, law library, preparations for new laws

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tjcarter:

I don't recall having to sign anything to buy a DVD

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Yahooadam:

Software A set of instructions that cause a computer to perform one or more tasks. The set of instructions is often called a program or, if the set is particularly large and complex, a system.

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nordle:

CSS is not an issue in the UK. In America its illegal to distrubute something which tampers with someoneelses copy protection. The UK does not have such a law (yet).

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tjcarter:

nor have I ever found a license agreement in the DVD box.

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Yahooadam:

sounds complicated enoguh to be a legal definition :p

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AndyCap:

tjcarter: which opens up the whole click-wrap/shrink-wrap can of worms

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tjcarter:

AndyCap: You have to provide terms before you can enforce them.

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Yahooadam:

its not like my word document is software

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tjcarter:

DVDs have no such terms

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iamlindoro:

yahoo, I can google define:software as good as the next guy, but I'm telling you that the law looks upon any interpretable data that can be executed or used by hardware and software

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Yahooadam:

so how is a DVD

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Yahooadam:

ooo

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Yahooadam:

"This entry contains information applicable to United States law only."

[22:13:27]

iamlindoro:

for example: "Computer programmes, instructions or data that tell a computer what to do and can be stored electronically."

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sphery:

Gurft: Doesn't seem possible with playlists...

[22:13:36]

iamlindoro:

which is also from define:software :)

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tjcarter:

And shrink-wrap license agreements have been beaten down as often as upheld.

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Yahooadam:

Software instructs a computer what to do. (The computer's physical components are called hardware.) Computer software is the general term for a variety of procedures and routines that harness the computational power of a computer to produce, for example, a general operating system that coordinates the basic workings of the computer or specific applications that produce a database, a financial spreadsheet, a written doc

[22:13:53]

AndyCap:

tjcarter: which isn't as good as beaten down every time.

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AndyCap:

http://www.fipr.org/copyright/guide/uk.htm

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Yahooadam:

thats supposed to be from a legal dictionary

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tjcarter:

indeed.

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: dvd menus, fastforward blocking, etc.

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iamlindoro:

So, Yahoo, from a legal perspective, media *is* software, even though it interoperates with other software...

[22:15:00]

iamlindoro:

because it instructs that software to display a particular image or series of images

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Yahooadam:

no, the dvd playing software interperates the dvd data, and displays it

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tjcarter:

Regardless, there are no terms on DVDs

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iamlindoro:

And, as AndyCap mentions, it has a heirarchical, interpreted, executable portion in the menu sturctures too

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tjcarter:

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iamlindoro:

YahooAdam, are you arguing for the sake of arguing? We would all LOVE to believe that media is not software, but the truth is any interpretable data is

[22:16:23]

tjcarter:

But laws tend to make explicit exception for computer media duplication into, eg, computer memory for execution.

[22:16:29]

tjcarter:

It's kinda required.

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AndyCap:

nordle: so since 2003 technological protection measures are protected in uk law it seems

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iamlindoro:

Believe me, I would LOVe for your arguments to be the case, but the law looks upon any rights-reserved media in digital format as software, and that INCLUDES the UK

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Yahooadam:

im arguing for understanding :p i dont understand how they would be allowed to block you from watching your DVD because there is not a player availibe

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Yahooadam:

avaible

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Yahooadam:

or, if you changed your dvd playing system to one that wont play dvds, they would have to refund you your money, as you are now no longer able to play your collection

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: because bypassing the technical protection measure (that is css) is illegal

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iamlindoro:

And I think it sucks too, but both your government and mine derive more money from rights-holders than folks like you and me... and the rights holders have no obligation to enable you to watch *their* media (whose rights still belong to them even if you buy the DVD) on every single platform

[22:18:55]

iamlindoro:

That said, there's a fairly strong fair-use law here in the US

[22:18:55]

AndyCap:

and there are no (available) licensed and legal players for linux.

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Yahooadam:

IMO, you could easily argue your way out of a law case tbh

[22:19:32]

AndyCap:

Yahooadam: before EUCD/DMCA sure. after no

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Yahooadam:

just because the law leaves a giant loophole – grrr

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iamlindoro:

And the reason DMCA lawsuits tend to fail in fair-use situations is just that... one has (in the US) a legal right to make a "personal backup" of software

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Yahooadam:

DRM is just gay, lets agree that much :D

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sphery:

Yahooadam: And, though you may be able to argue out, you have to front the money to do so (attorney's fees, etc.)

[22:20:33]

iamlindoro:

Yup

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Yahooadam:

how does ubuntu get away with it ?

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Yahooadam:

cos for example

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Yahooadam:

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_play_DVDs

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sphery:

Most are not willing to do so, which is why most settled with the RIAA in spite of the fact that RIAA wasn't having much luck in courts.

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Yahooadam:

yeah its just gay, the legal system just plain fails

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: they're from south africa

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sphery:

Yahooadam: Ubuntu comes without de-CSS support. There's a script on there that will install the de-CSS support, but the user must explicitly run it; thereby taking on all responsibility for his/her actions.

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bwallen:

how come sometimes episodes don't have a description? is it just because the station that's broadcasting doesn't submit one?

[22:22:10]

sphery:

(that's the theory, at least)

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sphery:

bwallen: right.

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AndyCap:

Add the name of your repository. In this example, we will use Medibuntu, a popular third-party repository not affiliated with Ubuntu in any way.

[22:22:21]

Daviey:

Yahooadam: gstreamer is a legally licenenced tool afaik

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sphery:

bwallen: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/205798#205798

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bwallen:

thanks

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AndyCap:

dunno if fluendo can sell you css

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AndyCap:

http://www.fluendo.com/products.php?product=dvd

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Yahooadam:

yeah but libdvdcss2 is clearly getting round CSS

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Daviey:

well deCSS is legal in some countries anyway

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sphery:

Daviey: but it probably uses libdvdcss, etc., if they exist and installing libdvdcss is what may be illegal

[22:23:48]

Daviey:

"may be" in some countries

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Yahooadam:

is it not possible to decode CSS without removing it ?

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: and?

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Yahooadam:

sort of :S

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Daviey:

IANAL but i heard it was legal in the UK at least

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sphery:

Yahooadam: it's circumvention in any form

[22:24:14]

Yahooadam:

how does a liscenced player get round the CSS protection ?

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sphery:

that's what DMCA disallows

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iamlindoro:

DMCA states that the act of circumventing the Copy Protec tion, however you do it, is illegal

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AndyCap:

Daviey: until UK implented EUCD.

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iamlindoro:

A license player has a LICENSE to do so

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: it doesn't a licensed player has a decryption key, and is authorized by the DVD-CCA

[22:25:05]

Yahooadam:

and you cant use a decryption key in linux ?

[22:25:09]

Yahooadam:

or you would have to pay for it ?

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AndyCap:

and to get a license it must not allow you to skip chapters, it must implement the standards, etc

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Yahooadam:

funny then :p

[22:25:32]

Yahooadam:

cos im MCE i can skip their legal crap lol

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sphery:

and gets in trouble when Xing^H^H^H^Hthey accidentally forget to encrypt their private key because CSS is a complex mess of tangled up security ideas that no self-respecting security professional would ever seriously consider

[22:25:42]

Yahooadam:

think thats powerdvd

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iamlindoro:

Sure you can get a (very expensive) license... then you have to develop a closed-source application around it to play DVD

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sphery:

Yahooadam: You shouldn't be able to skip, i.e. the FBI warning on a US DVD

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AndyCap:

sphery: well, drm is broken from an encryption standpoint

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sphery:

true

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AndyCap:

sphery: since the user and attacker are one and the same

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Yahooadam:

sucks you cant just get a ruling from a judge whether its legal to play DVD's in linux :p

[22:26:50]

AndyCap:

http://www.dvdcca.org/css/

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sphery:

but still funny that DVD CCA thought they could do better implementing their own algorithm than the security professionals had done with their tried-and-true techniques

[22:26:57]

Yahooadam:

but i bet they would charge you more then a CSS liscence :p

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: you don\t need it. it\s illegal

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Daviey:

Yahooadam: *cough* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/11/01/decss . . . ruled_legal/

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AndyCap:

Daviey: 2001.

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sphery:

Why Content Scramble System? Shouldn't it be Content Scrambling System?

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sphery:

Crazy DVD CCA\

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AndyCap:

sphery: well, with the quality encryption would you expect them to be able to spell?

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AndyCap:

and have a correct grammar.

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sphery:

Daviey: When headlines have nothing to do with content...

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Daviey:

yeah..

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Yahooadam:

actually

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sphery:

AndyCap: good point

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iamlindoro:

yahooAdam: just to be explicit here... I don't think anyone has an objection to you playing your DVDs in linux... If you choose to do something, it's YOUR decision. It's just that MythTV, as an aboveboard project, can give you no assistance in doing so... so if you want to do so, there are easy ways to find out how on the net, it's just that nobody here can assist you in doing so

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Yahooadam:

the judge only rules that DeCSS was legal in a information viewpoint

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Yahooadam:

not in a practical viewpoint

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sphery:

right, legal to publish it

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sphery:

not legal to use it

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MrSassyPants:

What's the mysql command to clear the EPG data?

[22:30:30]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: why?

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Yahooadam:

well interesting discussion anyway :)

[22:30:47]

Yahooadam:

its not like its going to get anywhere

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, I have two different sources and that causes some problems

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: Well, the EPG data lives (mostly) in program, but if you to a "TRUNCATE TABLE program;", you'll be leaving a lot of other stuff (credits, genres, actors, etc.)

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MrSassyPants:

mmh

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sphery:

The "cleanest" approach is to delete the video sources with "Delete all video sources" (has to be "delete all" to get all EPG data), but that has what should be obvious consequences. :)

[22:32:49]

MrSassyPants:

So, my main problem is that the two sources of EPG data have different xmltv ids for the same channels

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sphery:

Eventually, the other info "should" get cleaned up, so it's up to you.

[22:33:22]

sphery:

You mean you're using two different grabbers?

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sphery:

You can (and should) modify the xmltvid in Myth's channel editor (mythtv-setup or MythWeb) to use the proper xmltvid used by your grabber.

[22:34:08]

Yahooadam:

well im in the UK anyway, so it shouldnt effect me, but interesting to discuss :)

[22:34:27]

MrSassyPants:

I don't know what a "grabber" is, precisely, I use nxtvepg and d/l epg data from two separate channels

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Yahooadam:

also even if i did get sued, i can just say i read that and didnt see there was anythng illegal in doing it ...

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Yahooadam:

as there are no warnings about it :p

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iamlindoro:

YahooAdam, I believe you are under the terms of the EUCD

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MrSassyPants:

I could sed the xml file

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MrSassyPants:

fuck If I remembered how to use sed :p

[22:35:14]

iamlindoro:

and ignorance of the law is not a defense in any country

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: as already mentioned the UK has implemented EUCD since 2003

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: I don't know nxtvepg, but basically if the xmltvid's are different, it might as well be two different grabbers

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Yahooadam:

however, if you dont know how your software operates, can you be done for that

[22:35:50]

iamlindoro:

Then of course there's you discussing your defense in a logged IRC channel :)

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: What problems are you encountering?

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iamlindoro:

YahooAdam, YES

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Yahooadam:

just because im running software allows me to play DVD's doesnt mean i know that im using software that is illegal

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, stuff is shown twice in scheduled recordings

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: well, where did you get said software? :>

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iamlindoro:

again, Adam, as a former police officer, there's not a court in the world that will exonerate you for ignorance of a law

[22:36:43]

Yahooadam:

so lets say powerdvd didnt have a valid CSS liscence, and i bought their product

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: then you acted in good faith..

[22:36:57]

Yahooadam:

could i get done for using it, seeing as i didnt know it was illegal

[22:37:04]

Yahooadam:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Theoretically, yes

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Yahooadam:

so if i follow that guide on the linux guide

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Yahooadam:

ubuntu fiesty manual #

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Yahooadam:

it doesnt say anywhere their instructions may be illegal

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: then it probably mentions the legally dubious status of the software

[22:38:18]

Yahooadam:

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_play_DVDs

[22:38:23]

Yahooadam:

doesnt say anything atall

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Yahooadam:

checked the general notes and theres no clause about illegal stuff

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MrSassyPants:

its not illegal. The DMCA-equivalent acts only outlaw cracking of *effective* protections, i.e. the ones you can't crack.

[22:39:00]

Yahooadam:

so there is absolutly no warning those commands could be illegal

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AndyCap:

MrSassyPants: hahaha. good thing you're not a lawyer

[22:39:22]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: I'm guessing you have programid's on programs on both sources (both copies of channels) and they differ, even though subtitle and/or description are the same?

[22:39:26]

MrSassyPants:

otherwise I could claim xml is my secret cypher :p

[22:39:27]

Daviey:

Yahooadam: geez.. if you are that worried don't use it..

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AndyCap:

Yahooadam: well, I guess it needs an update

[22:39:45]

Yahooadam:

im not worried atall

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Yahooadam:

i just get pissed off by this shit

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Daviey:

then why the fuss?

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, not 100% the same.

[22:39:58]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, but close enough

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iamlindoro:

yahooAdam, ones good faith would NOT keep one from being sued, and believe me, having been sued before, it is the act of being sued (and spending money on your defense) that sucks, NOT whether you lose

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Yahooadam:

apart from the fact i believe i could defend myself on so many points in court

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iamlindoro:

Although losing would theoretically make it worse

[22:40:28]

Yahooadam:

yeah lol :p

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iamlindoro:

Because they will sued you into the ground REGARDLESS of whether you win

[22:40:38]

Daviey:

Yahooadam: you won't get the chance..

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: Hmmm. I don't think I'll be much help. I don't know the right way to work in those circumstances.

[22:40:50]

iamlindoro:

I guarantee you can't afford to pay for a defense as long as the rights-holders can pay to sue you

[22:40:52]

Yahooadam:

but if somone does get sued over it, then there will be some settlement over this and everyone will know in the future

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Yahooadam:

and then everyone can start watching dvd's in linux legally because they would lose the court case :p

[22:41:23]

AndyCap:

Yahooadam: haha, if there's a settlement it will not be public

[22:41:40]

Yahooadam:

i mean the the judge will make a decision

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iamlindoro:

And if you try to defend yourself you will end up with a summary judgment against you when you fail to file some paper

[22:41:48]

Yahooadam:

and the argument over the legallity of it will be settled

[22:42:07]

iamlindoro:

Negative, the certainty of its being appealed to a higher court is all that would settle

[22:42:23]

iamlindoro:

And eventually they would win because their lawyers are better than yours

[22:42:25]

AndyCap:

well, Yahooadam needs to polish his rose-coloured glasses

[22:42:30]

iamlindoro:

and their people pay your government a heck of a lot more money

[22:42:34]

Daviey:

AndyCap: +1

[22:42:40]

Yahooadam:

:p

[22:43:04]

Yahooadam:

isnt there some legal cause over what court you can go to

[22:43:16]

iamlindoro:

huh?

[22:43:18]

Yahooadam:

basically making it so that its possible to make your case without going bankrupt

[22:43:27]

Yahooadam:

clause #

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iamlindoro:

small claims court

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sphery:

Yahooadam: DVD CCA will probably allow anyone to use DVD CSS (even without a license) as soon as HD-DVD/BDROM have >99% of market share and you can't find a DVD anywhere (and all the old ones have delaminated/oxidized).

[22:44:00]

Daviey:

iamlindoro: in the UK the sums that small claims court can deal with is far too low

[22:44:03]

sphery:

my prediction

[22:44:17]

iamlindoro:

so if they sue you for less than some tiny amount, that would be the case... but most cases of david versus goliath are cases of someone with deep pockets vs someone who gets wasted away to nothing

[22:44:20]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, thing is... its weird. its just one channel.

[22:44:26]

iamlindoro:

Daviey, exactly my point... would never qualify

[22:44:29]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, where the xmlids differ

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Yahooadam:

the law is an ass ;)

[22:44:54]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: the sed "fixup" may be a good approach.

[22:45:00]

iamlindoro:

*tort* law is an ass

[22:45:05]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: Is nxtvepg getting data from EIT?

[22:45:06]

iamlindoro:

Criminal law is quite good

[22:45:26]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: case in point. DMCA..

[22:45:33]

Daviey:

iamlindoro: O RLY

[22:45:35]

Yahooadam:

it can be, but these days its just getting rediculous

[22:45:35]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, priorities lists the channel thrice

[22:45:51]

Yahooadam:

and serves to make everyone a criminal

[22:45:51]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, the near-future recordings are displayed twice

[22:46:02]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, and when browsing, the channel only appears once

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iamlindoro:

Daviey: "RLY." All of the tort system in the Us is broken... Criminal law is largely legitimate.

[22:46:09]

iamlindoro:

er US

[22:46:10]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, so I'm like: "WTF?"

[22:46:22]

iamlindoro:

that's not to say it's ALL ok, but mostly, yes.

[22:46:26]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: It may be that you have multiple copies of the channel from changes to guide data.

[22:46:30]

Daviey:

iamlindoro: plea bargins are a *good* thing in criminal law?

[22:46:35]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, nxtvepg is reading the bttv device to get the epg

[22:46:42]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: I would start with http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (don't delete Capture Cards) and see if it re-appears.

[22:46:56]

sphery:

Oh, if EIT, I was going to refer you to someone who might really be able to help.

[22:47:07]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, I'm familiar with that document

[22:47:14]

sphery:

you've done it before?

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iamlindoro:

Absolutely. In many cases, including those in which I have made arrests, I would rather take the certainty of a few years in prison versus a chance that some douchebags would get off

[22:47:26]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, I've now completely redone all channels, taking extra care not to install any duplicate channels

[22:47:50]

sphery:

and you used "Delete all video sources?"

[22:47:56]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, but it appears that in certain modes of view, mythtv ignores actual channels and designates different EPG constructs as independent channels

[22:48:10]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, I used "delete the motherloading shit out of it"

[22:48:28]

sphery:

The EPG will "collapse" identical channels (same callsign and same channel number) so they're shown only once.

[22:48:37]

MrSassyPants:

that's what it fails to do

[22:48:42]

MrSassyPants:

because the channels aren't "identical"

[22:48:48]

sphery:

The upcoming recordings page, however, will show every recording that will happen.

[22:48:49]

iamlindoro:

Take, for example, a case I was in court on last week-- Possession for sales of a LOT of crystal meth. Pled down to five years. Do I mind that they're not going for longer? Sure, a bit. But would I rather take 5 than the chence of some sleazy defense attorney getting them off? Abso-freakin-lutely.

[22:49:20]

Yahooadam:

anyway, to find out if you use it they would probably need to look at your computer, and then they would need to have some sort of legitimate evidence that you may have somthing that circumvents CSS protection

[22:49:20]

MrSassyPants:

I call the channel PRO7. One grabber calls it pro 7. Another PRO 7.

[22:49:40]

Daviey:

iamlindoro: and on the reciever; taking a gamble of either plead inocent or have the uncertainity of a more serious crime?

[22:49:42]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: If you're only concerned about the EPG, just change the callsign/channel number. THey're both user-editable.

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ARfdee:

hi

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ARfdee:

anyone around?

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: They're "user" data, basically.

[22:50:01]

sphery:

ARfdee: hi

[22:50:07]

ARfdee:

i am having playback problems now

[22:50:09]

iamlindoro:

Anyone who takes a plea does so with full knowledge that they are entitled to defend themselves and take a jury trial

[22:50:09]

ARfdee:

i am not sure why

[22:50:13]

iamlindoro:

nobody is forced to take a plea

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, hmm, but the different callsigns from the different sources will still make ghost channels appear that clog my planning

[22:50:25]

iamlindoro:

and they are ASKED by the judge at that time whether they do so with full understanding

[22:50:51]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: If the xmltvid in the grabber's data (the XMLTV data) and in the DB match, no new channels will be created.

[22:51:01]

sphery:

ARfdee: more details, please

[22:51:03]

Daviey:

iamlindoro: okay, we differ in opinion – but i cba to discuss

[22:51:12]

MrSassyPants:

that's the thing. two different grabbers. different xmlids AND names.

[22:51:32]

Yahooadam:

ARfdee – best to ask your question for the fastest response ;)

[22:51:41]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: Right, but the different channels are in different video sources, right?

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sphery:

guess he figured out the playback problems

[22:52:10]

sphery:

or he now has 'net problems :)

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Yahooadam:

option #2 methinks

[22:52:25]

sphery:

likely

[22:52:47]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, nope, the same

[22:54:24]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: So, basically, you're taking VBI programming data from 2 channels (like in the US, the guide may be provided by PBS stations) that exist on the same input and are trying to integrate it into a single video source in Myth that can receive all channels in both data sets?

[22:54:57]

MrSassyPants:

myth is supposed to merge the data sensibly :/

[22:55:08]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: If so, I think you'll need to brush up on your sed. Fix xmltvid's so that identical channels are the same (any value is fine as long as Myth and the data agree on the value).

[22:55:08]

MrSassyPants:

nxtvepg does it but I seem to fail at exporting such a merged xml

[22:56:09]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: Use the actual guide data for the overlapping channels from either data set (the one you most prefer) in the second update (as it will overwrite the data from the first data set's update).

[22:56:57]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: The problem is that the xmltvid is the unique identifier that allows Myth to determine to which MythTV channel a grabber's "channel listings" apply.

[22:57:09]

sphery:

So, you really need just one xmltvid for one MythTV channel.

[22:57:25]

MrSassyPants:

and one fucking callsign

[22:57:46]

sphery:

And, if you're in the US, $5/mo is probably a lot cheaper than the time you'll spend making this work (and keeping it current). :)

[22:58:43]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: xmltv may also have programs (like tv_cat, tv_merge, etc.) that will allow you to output data for all but the one channel from one of the data sets

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, trying it with sed

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MrSassyPants:

I haven't found any use for xmltv yet

[23:02:08]

fryfrog:

would anyone be so kind as to do a quick review of a "kitten ad" for me?

[23:02:15]

fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/2007/08/27/three-kittens-m . . . -good-homes/

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fryfrog:

critique, suggestions and corrections are welcome

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MrSassyPants:

hmm but tv_cat *may* do what I want

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MrSassyPants:

anything else xmltv does that does not suck?

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: Glad tv_cat might be useful. Good luck. Don't really know any of those programs, though, so I can't tell you whether they have other good ones.

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Aval0n:

hry guys when i do play dvd it flashes black and goes back to menu. i even changed the device to /media/cdrom0/ but no dice

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, tv_imdb automatically enhances the xml files with imdb stuff o_o

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: cool

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MrSassyPants:

right now I found myself d/ling 500mb worth of imdb databases

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sphery:

cool, you can even use a local copy?

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AllyFan:

Anyone here know a thing or three about xorg.conf config files?

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MrSassyPants:

yep

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Yahooadam:

sadly

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Yahooadam:

dual screen and ATI taught me plenty :p

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Toxicity999:

crap just 2, never any help =[

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Yahooadam:

both are an ass to setup

[23:20:19]

AllyFan:

I finally have myth .202 running (hurray!)

[23:20:28]

Yahooadam:

(and impossible together :p)

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Toxicity999:

going to root around for a new desktop look, sick of the maclone crap I settled for.

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Yahooadam:

although i guess it depends what bit of xorg you need help with

[23:21:46]

Yahooadam:

because it sets up alot of stuff

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AllyFan:

When I launch mythfrontend, the colors on the monitor go all red/yellow/white

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Toxicity999:

mines pretty much empty with 7.2...

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MrSassyPants:

argh, perl regexpt

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Toxicity999:

that's weird, have you tried launching it windowed as a test?

[23:22:27]

MrSassyPants:

How do I "Everything but" in perl regexp?

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MrSassyPants:

n/m, its -not

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AllyFan:

How do I launch it Windowed?

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Toxicity999:

I think that would be mythfrontend -w -geometry 800x600 if not that then see --help I might remember wrongly.

[23:23:09]

AllyFan:

sure – let me try that

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Yahooadam:

also if you try somthing like 3dgears, any problems with that ?

[23:23:26]

Yahooadam:

(always a good fast way to check its all setup right)

[23:23:56]

Yahooadam:

does mythtv need directrendering btw ?

[23:24:08]

Yahooadam:

i seem to recall it does

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Toxicity999:

I know for sure the opengl fade effects and such would.

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AllyFan:

Toxicity – windowed, the color scheme looks just as bad

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Yahooadam:

but only in the mythtv window ?

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Toxicity999:

weird so it's not just a full screen rendering problem, not sure what to say.

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AllyFan:

Yahoo – no the color scheme changes on the entire screen – desktop, window and all

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Yahooadam:

hmm

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sphery:

AllyFan: sounds like you're using an indexed color mode and it's shifting palettes. Do colors change when you change focus?

[23:25:37]

sphery:

nvm, you just said it does

[23:25:54]

sphery:

Fix your X config to use 24-bit (or 32-bit) color and it should work.

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AllyFan:

Sorry – when the windowed mythfrontend falls into the background, the color scheme returns to normal

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

fix your depth

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AllyFan:

When its foreground, the colors go off

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sphery:

this can also happen when running proxy X servers (i.e. ssh -Y or ssh -X)

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AllyFan:

Not running anything like that I'm pretty sure

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AllyFan:

How do you change the colordepth? In the Xorg.conf file?

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sphery:

DefaultDepth

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sphery:

for the screen

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AllyFan:

ok

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sphery:

What's it say, now?

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AllyFan:

I'm not worrying about getting it working on the tv just yet – one thing at a time

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sphery:

also, you can check current status with the following: xdpyinfo | grep 'depth of root window'

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sphery:

if the conf and the xdpyinfo disagree, your card is falling back to another mode because the preferred mode "won't work" (i.e. because of EDID info or whatever, it thinks it's impossible)

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AllyFan:

In the xorg.conf, the default depth is set to 24 for the screen at the moment

[23:32:41]

AllyFan:

Performing the grp of xdpyinfo reports back with 24 planes

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

I'm thinking about getting myself a combo drive that can burn cds/dvds since I can't get my dvd reader to work with mythtv

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sphery:

Hmmm. There's something more to it, then. But the pallette shift is happening for some reason. I don't know why it's changing visuals.

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floppyears:

is there one in specific that you guys recommend or use ?

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AllyFan:

sphery – could it be a nvdriver problem?

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AllyFan:

I know the card works – I have a working fc2 myth install on a spare hard drive thats fully functional

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MrSassyPants:

by the way, is there anything about actual teletext support?

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MrSassyPants:

in mythtv?

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AllyFan:

If I could jury rig my fedora core 2 install to work with the new listing service I'd swap back hard drive and file this install under /dev/null/ :-)

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AllyFan:

Seriously – would there be any way to insert the new programming listing services into a .19 version of mythtv running under FC2?

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Aval0n:

anyone know when the ubuntu myth packages will be updateded to .20.2

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Aval0n:

i tried to compile myself and it just breaks

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Gurft:

Aval0n, where does it break at?

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Gurft:

I just did it this mornign on Edgy

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Aval0n:

jeez lemme remember

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Gurft:

if you say everywhere, I'm going to slap you wiht a trout ;)

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Aval0n:

first it was lame mp3 needed to be installed

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Aval0n:

which I already had installed but installed the dev libs

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Aval0n:

and it got past that

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Aval0n:

lemme ssh

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Gurft:

okay, so apt-get build-deps mythtv

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Aval0n:

I'll tell ya

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Gurft:

I believe will get you everything you need

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Aval0n:

well sweet lets see if that works

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Gurft:

sorry apt-get build-dep mythtv

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Gurft:

I learned that after manually installing lame, flac, a bunch of other decoders, CDDA paranoia, qt-mt libraries, qt developement libraries

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Gurft:

it was a mess

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Aval0n:

heheh

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Aval0n:

my play dvd is broken too

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Aval0n:

just gives black screen and back to menu

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Aval0n:

on my desktop I have an icon for batman begins (which I have in drive)

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Aval0n:

i look at the mount point it says /media/cdrom0

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Aval0n:

so I changed that in mythtv settings

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Aval0n:

but no dice still

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Aval0n:

got any clue on that one?

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Gurft:

sound like the dvd is automounting

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Gurft:

need to turn that off

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Gurft:

and reset your mythtv settings to /dev/cdrom (or whatever that originally was)

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Gurft:

basically it mounted the drive, and now myth can't access it.

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Aval0n:

that's if i logout though

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Aval0n:

by default my system autoloads to mythtv

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Aval0n:

i sign off and on as a different usre

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Aval0n:

and it automounts it

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Aval0n:

I assume it unmounts it on logoff

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Aval0n:

ubuntu

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Aval0n:

I think it was like

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Aval0n:

/dev/dvd

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Gurft:

yea

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Gurft:

theres a way to disable that in KDE

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Gurft:

I just dont' know where off the top of my head.

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Aval0n:

i'm running gnome too

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Aval0n:

<shrug>

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MrSassyPants:

hmm, well now I still need to clean up the programming

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Aval0n:

Gurft still compiling :)

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Aval0n:

hasn't broken yet

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