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Thursday, August 23rd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Opulentus:

Can someone help mt with LIRC and getting it installed

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Opulentus:

checking for C compiler default output file name...

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Opulentus:

configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables

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Opulentus:

See `config.log' for more details.

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Opulentus:

I have gcc installed and it is the newest version

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Opulentus:

I don't know what I'm doing wrong

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tremby:

could it be a permissions thing?

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Opulentus:

I'm running under sudo

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kash``:

http://cruciable.net/

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kash``:

alreet

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Opulentus:

got any other ideas?

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juski:

Opulentus: did you see config.log for more details?

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Opulentus:

good idea juski

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Opulentus:

configure:2558: checking for C compiler default output file name

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Opulentus:

configure:2585: gcc -Wall -O3 conftest.c >&5

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Opulentus:

/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory

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Opulentus:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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juski:

you could just be missing essential build tools. debian flavour distros call that build-essential

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Opulentus:

hot damn

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Opulentus:

that worked

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juski:

cool :)

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juski:

right then I'm off to bed

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juski:

g'night

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Opulentus:

ok new set of problems

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Opulentus:

Could not open driver module imon.so: imon.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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Opulentus:

Driver [imon] binding failed

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Opulentus:

Could not load driver imon

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Opulentus:

There is no output driver

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Opulentus:

Critical error while initializing, abort.

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CBiLL:

can MythTV record including teletext into mpeg files?

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ServerSage:

Would anybody happen to know why the ProjectGrayhem-wide bz2 file off juski's site won't bunzip for me? :( Says "not in bzip format". Silly thing.

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CBiLL:

hrmmm I never been to juski site but are you using IE to download gzip files?

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ServerSage:

CBiLL: God no. wget.

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CBiLL:

cuz I am aware IE got some annoying bug that it download it in a odd filename ending so you would need to use "Save AS" to download it in the correct filename

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CBiLL:

ah ok

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CBiLL:

just checking

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my2keh:

hmmm it looks like my change to mythweb

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my2keh:

make porn record

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my2keh:

heh

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BULLE:

damn, my makefile dont have that target =(

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ServerSage:

So, despite juski's site giving the file an extension, it's really just a tar file. :/

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PSU:

okay, this is really starting to get to me. i have perfect video/audio etc on my monitor but when i switch to the tv-out and restart i get the mythtv menu but live tv throws a black screen (w/ audio)...i have tried litterally 5–10 different xorg examples online for nvidia cards with no luck. when i modify the xorg.conf file i get a variety of results so i know that it must be this file that needs to be fixed. can somoene help me narr

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BULLE:

PSU: tried to ONLY use the tv out ?

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BULLE:

PSU: something like Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"

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BULLE:

PSU: in the device entry for the videocard

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BULLE:

PSU: im assuming you are using the nvidia binary only drivers

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PSU:

BULLE: okay, i will check

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BULLE:

PSU: try that, its quite common that you get issues with video overlaying when you have two outputs active, so if you try with ONLY tv out, you can see if its a video overlay issue, or something else

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PSU:

will do, thanks!

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PSU:

BULLE: can i test the new xorg.conf without restartinG?

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Opulentus:

ok new set of problems

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Opulentus:

Could not open driver module imon.so: imon.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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Opulentus:

Critical error while initializing, abort.

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Opulentus:

that happens when I try and start LCDd

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Opulentus:

I searched for imon.so in the LCDd.conf and no luck

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Opulentus:

any ideas?

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CBiLL:

anyone know if lirc latest version support USB-UIRT or driver need to be complied with it?

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my2keh:

i think it supports it

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my2keh:

0.8.1 or something

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CBiLL:

thanks

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CBiLL:

trying to get mine working but is there a way to test it outside of mythtv or in term window?

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my2keh:

i dunno, I gave up on mine heh

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CBiLL:

lol

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CBiLL:

hehe

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my2keh:

granted I didn't try hard

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my2keh:

there was a post or two on the uirt forum

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CBiLL:

old posts

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CBiLL:

where you had to complie the driver with it

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my2keh:

uhh no

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my2keh:

one sec

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BULLE:

PSU: just restart X

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CBiLL:

but I could not find if latest one already support it now anywhere

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BULLE:

PSU: it will reread the xorg.conf then

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BULLE:

PSU: no need to reboot the whole machine

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my2keh:

http://www.usbuirt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t . . . p;highlight=

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BULLE:

CBiLL: lirc comes with some userspace tools for ir sending and receiving, consult the lirc docs ( irrecord and irsend i think they are called )

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CBiLL:

thanks

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my2keh:

wait

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CBiLL:

ok

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my2keh:

that's not the one i wanted

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Opulentus:

I'm having trouble installing LIRC using the imon driver

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my2keh:

http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7176&highlight=

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my2keh:

that's the one

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Opulentus:

is someone willing to walk me though it

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my2keh:

but i never tried it

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CBiLL:

thanks Ill check it out

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my2keh:

make it work quick and post back here lol

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my2keh:

basically do the hard work for me

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my2keh:

;)

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Opulentus:

or point me to a good HOWTO

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CBiLL:

will do

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BULLE:

PSU: anny success with tv out only ?

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PSU:

BULLE: no, not yet. i might pull the nvidia g3 and try just the pvr-350

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BULLE:

hmmmm, geforce 3 ?

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PSU:

yup

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PSU:

is that the problem? too old?

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BULLE:

might very well be, i think the gf3 uses a separate tv out chip

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PSU:

ok

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BULLE:

they are often a brooktree or a conexant chip

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BULLE:

you need a separate util to get those to work

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BULLE:

nvtv i think its called

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PSU:

heh, hrm

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BULLE:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out/

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BULLE:

try that one, and see if it helps

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PSU:

k

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BULLE:

might be other things around aswell

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BULLE:

but i think its actualy from gf4 or so, nvidia started to use integrated tv out

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PSU:

ok i may try getting a gf4 from work :P

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BULLE:

PSU: or just buy a 7300 type card, for a few usd/euro

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BULLE:

they are dirt cheap

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

alright i've wasted too much time on this

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PSU:

bbl

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PSU:

thanks!

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centinu1:

I was thinking of running a small machine on my flat panel TV. I wanted to move all my DVDs onto this machine and have a basic DVD player / library management where I could play any movie anytime I want by sitting on my couch and using a pointing device (a.k.a. Wii remote). It looks like MythDVD / MythVideo + the database would be the best solution. Is there anyway to get a minimal MythTV install to accomplish this?

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fryfrog:

centinu1: you'd need all you need for mythtv, and... if you are storing lots of DVDs, who cares about "minimal"

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fryfrog:

just throw on Ubuntu (or your other favorite distro) and go

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BULLE:

fryfrog: perhaps he just want to run the frontend on the small machine close to his flat panel tv ?

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centinu1:

well I don't need the TV functionality for example, and therefore wouldn't want that prt of the install, GUI, etc..

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fryfrog:

thats exactly what he said

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fryfrog:

and *store* them on that system

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fryfrog:

you can't do mythvideo/mythdvd w/o myth

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BULLE:

centinu1: mythtv isnt that great, if all you want is a mediaplayer

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fryfrog:

you can elect to *not* configure any tv source if you wish

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fryfrog:

yeah, i'd concur

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fryfrog:

if you want a media player, get a $150 xbox and throw a big ass HD in it with jmodchip

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fryfrog:

and use XBMC

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BULLE:

ye

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BULLE:

i would actualy agree with that

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fryfrog:

won't play back HDTV, but DVDs aren't HD so no biggie

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my2keh:

Does this sound dumb, it's a real estate listing... "HOME HAS BEEN WIRED FOR WIRELESS INTERNET"

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centinu1:

what would be the best way to play DVDs and have a nice way to manage them?

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my2keh:

haha

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BULLE:

doesnt xbmc run in windows aswell nowadays ?

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fryfrog:

my2keh: awesome :)

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my2keh:

it's that new fangled wired wireless internet

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my2keh:

haha

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centinu1:

the database / metadata functionality of MythTV was lucrative that is why I ask.. I don't want ot reinvent the wheel

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fryfrog:

BULLE: I think it is for development of skins, abut I think there is a linux version?

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fryfrog:

centinu1: well, you'd not use it for *ripping* dvd movies, I don't think

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centinu1:

that's no big deal

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fryfrog:

but you can do that on your PC with say, dvdshrink or dvd decryter and autogk or something

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BULLE:

fryfrog: hmmm, i think i have been reading something about a xbmc port / rewrite in .NET for win32

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BULLE:

but i might be wrong

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fryfrog:

Xbox + XBMC + MC360 skin, very nice

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centinu1:

but it would be nice to have an all in one solution to play movies as well as see my entire library with descrptions, pictures, etc.

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fryfrog:

no, i think you are right

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fryfrog:

there is something about xbmc in windows

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fryfrog:

centinu1: XBMC grabs covers, info, etc from imdb

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BULLE:

might be the way to go, if HD playback is needed

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centinu1:

I don't want to purchase hardware though

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fryfrog:

you already have a nice, small usable PC?

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centinu1:

ya

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BULLE:

fryfrog: i think its called mediaportal

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fryfrog:

i hate to say it but, why not say... MCE?

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centinu1:

because it costs money :)

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centinu1:

well legally......

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

and legally, if you are in the US ripping your dvds is also illegal :/

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centinu1:

ahh I'm not worried about that.. Any ideas?

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fryfrog:

I'd seriously find an already modded xbox1 on craigslist in your area for like $100

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my2keh:

anyone know if EIT can be run at the same time as Schedules Direct

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my2keh:

?

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fryfrog:

maybe even already has a HD in it

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fryfrog:

my2keh: I believe so, but I'm not sure which data over-rides the other

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fryfrog:

My EIT is amazingly devoid of any actual useful information :(

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fryfrog:

MythVideo is no where near as nice as XBMC :(

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BULLE:

fryfrog: indeed

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my2keh:

ahh mine is pretty good, but only 72 hours

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fryfrog:

I wish they'd mod MythTV to just not even have MythVideo

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BULLE:

fryfrog: i think the longtime goal is to get rid of mythvideo though ?

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fryfrog:

nice

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BULLE:

fryfrog: i think that is the longtime goal

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fryfrog:

i know that internal player works on almost everything

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BULLE:

someone here told me that

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BULLE:

fryfrog: ye

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my2keh:

I wonder the point of myth video

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fryfrog:

They just need to move the listings from inside mythvideo -> the mythtv display

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my2keh:

it's a different interface

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my2keh:

confusing

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fryfrog:

my2keh: to play videos :p

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BULLE:

my2keh: to play the formats the internal player doesnt support

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fryfrog:

yeah, exactly

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fryfrog:

but now, the internal player supports almost everything

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my2keh:

we download shows, have to put them in there

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fryfrog:

but i don't know of anyway to put em into the main listing

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my2keh:

wife asks, why does it show the time bar like this

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my2keh:

and not like the "good" one lol

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fryfrog:

but once that happens, it'll be awesome

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BULLE:

my2keh: ye, similar complaints here

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fryfrog:

to have a "Movies" section in the display listing perhaps

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fryfrog:

i mean, in the spot where you go around picking shows

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fryfrog:

I use my xbox to watch all the non-myth recorded videos

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fryfrog:

its just so much easier

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BULLE:

fryfrog: well, i tend to have some tv series aswell, not just movies

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BULLE:

and sports

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fryfrog:

sure, it'd need some way to slot it in i think

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centinu1:

hmmm

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fryfrog:

ie, if you have some recorded buffy and some downloaded or ripped from dvd buffy

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fryfrog:

you should be able to put em in the same area

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BULLE:

yes

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fryfrog:

BSG episodes, dvd rip of the mini-series 4 hour thing

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centinu1:

there needs to be a stripped down media center solution

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fryfrog:

stuff like that

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fryfrog:

centinu1: XBMC :)

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fryfrog:

MythTV will probably never have a "stripped down" version, because you are the only one I've ever seen ask for it

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centinu1:

but I don't have an xbox

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fryfrog:

so? they are so old that you can find them for cheap

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fryfrog:

sell your "media center" pc and buy 4 xboxes

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centinu1:

lol

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BULLE:

or just run mediaportal on it

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BULLE:

or something different

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fryfrog:

whats that?

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BULLE:

fryfrog: thats the xbmc .net port to win32

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fryfrog:

yeah, just for dvds... mythtv isn't for you

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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** BULLE has googled **

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fryfrog:

i've seen screen shots of XP and Vista's MCE and they look *nice*

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fryfrog:

the music and movies UI is fantastic

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BULLE:

fryfrog: they look pretty darn nice yes, but have you tried to use them for a long time, especialy on larger media libraries ?

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fryfrog:

no, i've never even seen them in person :)

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BULLE:

fryfrog: its pretty bad there, its ok for small media libraries, but as soon as you have more then a few recordings, it all gets pretty darn annoying

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fryfrog:

i was actually about to say, it might be akward with a huge music library since it uses cover art

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BULLE:

ye

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BULLE:

its looks are great, but like win in general, that is the thing that is great about it

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fryfrog:

seen google sky?

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BULLE:

nah

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BULLE:

only seen some news reports about it

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** BULLE tries to stay indoors, so the sky doesnt fall down on his head **

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BULLE:

fryfrog: damn, you made me download google earth

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fryfrog:

damn me!

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fryfrog:

i get lost in teh google earth

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fryfrog:

ohhh, almsot time to go home too

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tremby:

how much of mythtv do i need to install if i only want a frontend?

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tremby:

i tried just installing mythtv-frontend (fedora core 6 atrpms repository) but it's complaining about not being able to connect to a database

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kash:

you need a backend too

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kash:

:/

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tremby:

got one on the machine downstairs

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kash:

so connect the frontend to that backend's SQL db

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tremby:

it hasn't offered me anywhere to set that up as far as i can see

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kash:

which user runs the frontend

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tremby:

me

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kash:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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kash:

edit the info there

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tremby:

got it, cheers

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kash:

np

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tremby:

any idea what the mysql port is? gotta open the port

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kash:

3306

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tremby:

thanks

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opello:

using an svn build, was wondering how it decides what's in HD, since i have simple analog cable

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tremby:

not having much luck... i've set the database up properly. i can access it from this machine (mysql -h tellyboxbox -u mythtv -pmythtv goes straight in) but when i run mythfrontend i get a bunch of unable to connect to database errors. actually i get a "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" first. any ideas?

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tremby:

solved: yum install qt-MySQL

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ARfdee:

help friends

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ARfdee:

my livetv is chopping after a bit

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ARfdee:

2007-08–22 22:18:31.262 NVP: Waiting for prebuffer.. 2 ULAALAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUAUUAAAAAA

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ARfdee:

2007-08–22 22:18:35.346 NVP: Video is 3.46571 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

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Aval0n_:

hey guys

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Aval0n_:

is Bob pretty much the best deinterlacing filter?

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benklop:

hello, i have a database problem

[03:25:27]

benklop:

it appears i have a missing table, and i don't know how to get it back!

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benklop:

the recordedseek table is missing...

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benklop:

i guess if i knew what structure it was supposed to have i could add it...

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Anduin:

benklop: Regular DB backups make recovery easier

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Anduin:

benklop: You may want to check that the table isn't just crashed.

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benklop:

i know they do

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Anduin:

and no nothing you've said yet belongs in the dev channel

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benklop:

but i dont have one of this db

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benklop:

okay

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Anduin:

The schema update works by version numbers, it doesn't do any other checks

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benklop:

whenever i tried to repair the table, it said the table was already up to date

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benklop:

and then i noticed phpmyadmin said it had 0 records, so i thought it might be easier to remove the table and re-add it

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Anduin:

If the table is still there then you would have the schema info, but there should be no difference between that and a repair

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benklop:

the repair seemed to have no effect

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benklop:

it just left it in the same state that any access complained about

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floppyears:

quick question

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floppyears:

does the interlacing setting matter when you are watching recording tv or is it just for live tv ?

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Anduin:

floppyears: Everything

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Anduin:

benklop: The area you have the DB in isn't full?

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benklop:

Anduin: no, several gigs free

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floppyears:

thanks Anduin is just that I couldn't tell a difference at al when I was changing between the settings

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benklop:

floppyears: if you are outputting to an interlaced TV you might not be able to tell anyway

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benklop:

that is, a standard def tv

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benklop:

i knoqw i cant

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benklop:

Anduin: if anyone else asks, the database_schema page on the wiki is very helpful for people who do stupid things like me

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benklop:

:)

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floppyears:

benklop: yeah, I'm using a sd tv

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floppyears:

I don't know which setting to use

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CBiLL:

hrmmm can't untar lirc 0.8.2 .. says not supported format hrmmp

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Aval0n-:

anyone here running analog cable on a plasma or lcd?

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opello:

channel_icons.pl seems to be adding a new set of channels every time i run it

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Aval0n-:

do most ppl use chroma and luma filters with analog cable?

[04:07:05]

Aval0n-:

I can't seem to get a picture quality i'm happy with

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Aval0n-:

even after buying an amplifier

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Aval0n-:

infact when I crank the amp all the way up

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Aval0n-:

I get a little bit of wavy lines

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Aval0n-:

i turn it down half way and they disappear

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levi:

Aval0n-: too much signal can be bad, too.

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Aval0n-:

aye

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Aval0n-:

I hooked up my little TV

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Aval0n-:

and all the chans look fine

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Aval0n-:

it's challenging to get it looking right on my plasma

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Aval0n-:

the best i've gotten so far is bob and standard XvmC running at a 3500 bitrate

[04:13:02]

Aval0n-:

but still disappointing compared to what my sd dish network looks like

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Aval0n-:

or even OVA SD

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Aval0n-:

if you transcode to mpeg4

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Aval0n-:

does that mean you can not use a mediamvp tp view recordings from other front ends?

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kash:

Aval0n

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kash:

is it cable?

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kash:

i.e. regular SDTV cable

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Aval0n-:

yes

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Aval0n-:

it's sdtv cable kash

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Aval0n-:

I'm running on a pvr-500 now

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Aval0n-:

if I could get my video looking like the top examepl here.. http://people.atrpms.net/~mlimonciello/test_content/

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Aval0n-:

I would be exstatic

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defaultro:

hi folks, is it possible to modify the quality of recording on the analog capture card?

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defaultro:

maybe, decrease the compression?

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defaultro:

is there any setting that we can tweak?

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tcpsyn:

Evening gentlemen

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tcpsyn:

whats the difference between Standard XvMC and VIA?

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Dagmar:

One of the two doesn't suck.

[05:47:34]

Dagmar:

Guess which one

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tcpsyn:

via?

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tcpsyn:

I can't tell the difference.

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tank-man:

lower cpu usage with one of them probably

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tcpsyn:

Nor can I find anything descriptive about either

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n: It's going to look better going straight to the TV, no matter what.

[05:56:18]

Tanthrix:

Aval0n: And much better if you're viewing an intact digital stream – both because you're not converting anything.

[05:59:26]

Tanthrix:

Aval0n: Anyway, are you certain your PVR-500 really isn't capturing at a proper quality? That pic on that site is an original non-resized image – if you tried stretching it to your TV it will look like junk.

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: you forget who you're talking to

[06:00:26]

Dagmar:

That's the guy who has spent the last several days changing settings nearly at random

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Dagmar:

This is the very obvious and inescapable result of that sort of screwing around.

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Dagmar:

What he _needs_ to do is reinstall, tell Myth where the tuners are, and then disable all user accounts for login, including root.

[06:10:25]

floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

I have some problems with the themes, it's hard to differentiate when I'm selecting something, specially in text-boxes or yes/no dialogs

[06:11:22]

floppyears:

is there a theme that makes it dead obvious ? or is there an option that I can tweak?

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Dagmar:

All that is the Qt stuff

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floppyears:

hmm

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floppyears:

Dagmar: what do you use ?

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floppyears:

is it obvious when you make a selection, what you are selecting ?

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Dagmar:

You're going to have to be more specifc than that

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floppyears:

Dagmar: whenever you have to make a selection and you have more than 1 option when I select something the change in bg and effect isn't enough for me to diferentiate them

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Dagmar:

So what colors are you seeing on the screen then?

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floppyears:

Dagmar: what settings do you use to make it so that it's obvious what you are selecting ?

[06:37:10]

Dagmar:

I see blue and white

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Dagmar:

It's damn hard to mix those up

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floppyears:

no, blue and light blue

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floppyears:

but it's quite difference to tell them apart :(

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Dagmar:

Pfft.

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Dagmar:

Good luck on that

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Dagmar:

I think your TV is really screwed up

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Dagmar:

These are *not* close shades of blue by any measure

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floppyears:

Dagmar: the theme that I use is this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Blue.jpg

[06:38:59]

Dagmar:

Yes, and the colors that that uses are nearly 60% different

[06:39:21]

Dagmar:

If you can't tell where the selection bar is, you are either blind, or your TV's brightness is maxed and contrast is nearly all the way down

[06:40:49]

floppyears:

thanks, I wasn't sure if it was something in mythtv's end that I needed to tweak to make the difference between the two obvious

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Dagmar:

SteelBlue and White are VERY far apart from each other

[06:41:02]

Dagmar:

Your TV has to be *far* out of spec

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floppyears:

ok, as soon as I finish watching this program I'll try the tv settings

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floppyears:

although watching tv before I had never felt as though the colors were messed up

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juski:

hello folks. I have a problem

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Dagmar:

The file that controls the colors of those Qt widgets is qtlook.txt, and it's definitely got SteelBlue, which is 70,130,180, and white is 255,255,255

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juski:

I'm retarded & I love winding people up in IRC :)

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floppyears:

juski: you've come to the right place then !

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juski:

which idiot was saying my theme tarballs are only regular tarballs, not bunzip? they're packed with a -j option, so whoever it was is barking up the wrong tree

[06:45:41]

juski:

truth is you can't use bunzip to open .tar.bz2 files IIRC. eejuts

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Dagmar:

Yes ya can

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Dagmar:

It's just doing it the hard way

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juski:

I've never been able to. maybe they weren't really bz2 then

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Dagmar:

Something is severely buggered on whatever machine you were working with then

[06:50:23]

Dagmar:

The default behaviour when invokinv bzip2 as bunzip2 is to just decompress the file

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juski:

have to admit it's a fair while since I did that – that was back in the dark days when I used gentoo

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floppyears:

what do you use now ?

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juski:

I use Windows (tm)

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juski:

why is there a constant freaking pressure to reveal where your distro affiliations lie ffs?

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xris:

juski: because we must categorize everyone.

[06:52:50]

juski:

just bag me in the 'nutjob' pigeon hole

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Tanthrix:

Yah, because you can tell a lot about someone based on the distro they use...

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xris:

and get all of the fedora users into a special remedial camp...

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xris:

Tanthrix: not really

[06:53:27]

Tanthrix:

Sarcasm.

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xris:

ok.. :)

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Dagmar:

Mainly we need to know if it's the machine or the user that's the problem

[06:53:46]

Dagmar:

If it's Gentoo, it's both.

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floppyears:

do any of you guys know where can I get a copy of the bootube theme ?

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juski:

floppyears: you can't get bootube anywhere I'm afraid

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** Tanthrix asks juski what his favorite color is and is promptly murdered by him **

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juski:

if on the other hand you want blootube... google is your friend

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floppyears:

is it blue

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** floppyears hides **

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juski:

I don't have a favourite colour :-P

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Tanthrix:

Bootube is the Halloween version

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floppyears:

haha

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juski:

a favourite mental image of mine is a noob, lying on the floor bleeding profusely

[06:55:50]

juski:

"how do I google?"...

[06:56:48]

Tanthrix:

I'm hearing all sorts of weird sounds in my ear, and it's freaking me out

[06:57:14]

juski:

I get tinittus sometimes. that could explain a lot

[06:57:21]

Tanthrix:

Ever since I saw that trash TV show that had some clip about a person who got a bug in their ear and heard weird scraping sounds until a doctor finally removed it

[06:57:30]

juski:

eew. heh

[06:57:31]

Tanthrix:

I've been freaked out, that is

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xris:

juski: only sometimes? I've had it as long as I can remember.

[06:58:06]

xris:

only learned last year or so that it had a name

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juski:

I thought that only happened to people called Cletus.. bugs in the earhole

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Tanthrix:

Just sinus stuff for me – I think I've got a cold virus trying to attack me right now

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Tanthrix:

Which incidentally has always annoyed me, since you know that if you could just get in there with a very small tube you could very quickly sort out all the pressure issues, etc. But no, instead you have to wait for days for it to sort itself out

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** Tanthrix wants nano bots to crawl into his nose and fix everything when he has a cold **

[07:00:05]

juski:

ha. I wouldn't trust em

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juski:

floppyears: you find it then?

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voltagex:

is it possible (in SVN) to change the storage group AFTER a recording has happened?

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juski:

voltagex: I think so. try going into watch recordings, then highlight the recording & right arrow it

[07:02:18]

voltagex:

juski: has Playback and Recording groups but not storage :(

[07:02:57]

juski:

that'd require a file move, so rather more complex than just biffing a DB cell

[07:03:11]

voltagex:

argh.

[07:03:32]

Tanthrix:

Simple matter if you do it manually in the db I'd think

[07:03:51]

juski:

you'd still have to move the file though

[07:04:03]

juski:

but I'd copy it first, then do the db update

[07:04:19]

juski:

then check it works before removing the old file

[07:04:28]

voltagex:

not practical at the moment for me.

[07:04:43]

voltagex:

I was hoping this was going to be another benefit of Storage Groups

[07:04:44]

juski:

just copy it & update the database then

[07:04:59]

juski:

storage groups cum file-manager? sheesh

[07:05:19]

juski:

you users have some crazy expectations sometimes

[07:05:25]

voltagex:

juski: storage groups slash don't-let-voltage-run-out-of-space-on-this-partition

[07:05:49]

juski:

voltagex: it's your own frickin fault if you run out of space

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dath:

Hello all. . .

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voltagex:

juski: I know.

[07:06:16]

juski:

anyway aren't storage groups sposed to be clever & use different areas if there's not enough room in the original area?

[07:06:34]

voltagex:

juski: yes

[07:06:41]

juski:

so what's the problem then?

[07:06:44]

voltagex:

so it's probably solved one problem

[07:06:57]

voltagex:

juski: ntfs-3g is not nice for livetv :P

[07:07:15]

juski:

bah you & your last century tv

[07:07:27]

voltagex:

last century?

[07:07:38]

juski:

live tv – it's all a bit.. last century :)

[07:07:46]

voltagex:

:P

[07:08:53]

juski:

hey it's almost 8pm. moondust is on at 8pm, get the snacks ready!

[07:08:57]

dath:

|Torg|: you around?

[07:09:02]

floppyears:

juski: yes

[07:09:13]

floppyears:

juski: they are awesome themes

[07:09:32]

juski:

they are no longer supported themes

[07:09:43]

floppyears:

I can't pick between the projectmayhem & blootube

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juski:

or maybe I should say "community supported"

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juski:

as in "it breaks, you fix it Joe"

[07:10:32]

dath:

Hey, quick question, does anyone have issues with their video showing the VBI at the top on some channels with ATSC?

[07:10:33]

juski:

there's no projectmayhem theme. jees. what's up with you?

[07:10:57]

juski:

projectgrayhem doesn't even bear any resemblance to projectmayhem anymore :)

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Tanthrix:

dath: Overscan a bit. I do +2,+2 in both directions.

[07:11:17]

floppyears:

haha, I'm horrible at spelling :)

[07:11:23]

dath:

Cool, I'll give that a try. . .

[07:11:34]

juski:

gray you have a very nice day floppyears

[07:12:30]

dath:

Tanthrix: Sweet, that did the job, thanks!

[07:12:34]

Tanthrix:

No prob.

[07:12:53]

dath:

I've been fighting so many other problems I had been ignoring that issue. . .

[07:12:59]

juski:

anyway my official line is – I'm no longer developing themes. the truth of the matter will be – I'm going to have a go at making a plugin & some other stuff, then one day I'll end up drawn back to making shiny graphics in inkscape

[07:13:13]

Tanthrix:

Does anyone else find Makezine to be insane? I find it hard to believe that there is any overlap what-so-ever of people who link tinkering with electronics, and people who like to make oragami duct tape wallets.

[07:13:52]

nuonguy:

I'm with you on that one, Tanthrix

[07:14:01]

nuonguy:

my better half got me a subscription for my bday

[07:14:02]

Tanthrix:

Or an inner tube/sproket belt!

[07:14:14]

nuonguy:

mostly I like it, but some things interest me not at all

[07:14:18]

nuonguy:

good example

[07:14:29]

nuonguy:

that should be in their sister publication called Craft

[07:14:42]

Tanthrix:

It's a really bad dichotomy – hopefully Craft will pull all that stuff away.

[07:15:00]

Tanthrix:

Though it hasn't so far, at least for the stuff on the blog.

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Tanthrix:

There's always hackaday, but their 1337 black webpage with a CSS style sheet to get rid of all capitalization is just plain silly.

[07:19:54]

nuonguy:

did you hear about the samtiq guy?

[07:19:56]

nuonguy:

http://rumi.studio2pi.com.au/samtiq-ii-the-glass-surface_2007_03

[07:20:05]

nuonguy:

diy wacom cintiq sorta

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Tanthrix:

That's pretty nifty.

[07:21:50]

Tanthrix:

At work we got some tablet pcs in, and I used one for a few days to help map out wifi coverage at a job site, and I must say that the touch interface grows on you.

[07:22:02]

nuonguy:

stylus or pen?

[07:22:39]

Tanthrix:

The kind that only works with the stylus, not pure touch. (Some kind of capacitance thing I suspect) – so whichever that is

[07:23:33]

dath:

Anyone seen this(?): VideoOutputXv Error: ProcessFrameXvMC: Failed to get OSD lock

[07:23:36]

nuonguy:

there's only one person at work that I know that has one, but he's much too weird to want to talk to him about it

[07:23:41]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:24:18]

Tanthrix:

It's nice because you can rest your hand on the screen without issue, which is definately important for being usable.

[07:24:21]

nuonguy:

he could turn a 2 minute conversation into a 1/2-hour diatribe, loudly, in the hallway right outside my boss's office and his boss's office

[07:25:04]

nuonguy:

are they still really expensive?

[07:25:34]

Tanthrix:

Still, I don't think the mouse will ever be surpassed for input, short of some kind of unlikely and extremely futuristic neural interface.

[07:25:45]

Tanthrix:

Not terrible – I think you can get decent ones starting around 1200

[07:26:19]

Tanthrix:

Lenovo has a cool one that can do 9 hours of battery life or some such amount

[07:26:20]

nuonguy:

I don't know, I think the mouse is a terrible input device for anything with even a small amount of precision

[07:26:31]

nuonguy:

can't draw with it

[07:26:58]

nuonguy:

I bought a USB optical mouse in the shape of a pen thinking it would be slightly more ergonomic

[07:26:59]

nuonguy:

wrong!

[07:27:06]

nuonguy:

very clumsy

[07:27:06]

Tanthrix:

I'd say that is its one failing. For almost everything else (everyday use, gaming, etc..) it is unsurpassed.

[07:27:23]

nuonguy:

I can't press the button without moving the pointer off the button I'm trying to click on

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voltagex:

hmm I suspect my distro will never be the same now... installed mythtv after configuring it with --prefix /usr

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nuonguy:

I'm sure it'll be fine

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nuonguy:

which distro, btw?

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drindt:

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voltagex:

how can I change the runtime prefix that mythtv/mythfrontend uses – permanently

[07:48:16]

pretender_:

> im getting the sound pausing or choppy every 30 second or so mythtv can anyone help. I'm running sempron 3000+ 512 ram and a nvidia 5200 with a pvr 150 tuner

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Tanthrix:

pretender_: What are you seeing in the terminal when this happens?

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pretender_:

havent got the terminal open

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voltagex:

I need to change the runtime prefix mythfrontend is showing... is this possible?

[08:00:01]

Anduin:

voltagex: It is compiled in, you can set an environment variable to override it though.

[08:00:12]

voltagex:

Anduin: I don

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voltagex:

oops

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voltagex:

I don't know why it's set to /usr/local then

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voltagex:

I compiled with --prefix=/usr

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Anduin:

voltagex: /usr/local is the default

[08:00:48]

Anduin:

voltagex: Must have something old sitting around

[08:02:08]

voltagex:

meh, compiling again, I'll be back up and running in 15 minutes

[08:03:00]

voltagex:

^ famous last words

[08:03:35]

voltagex:

I shouldn't have touched the install I had :/ I just had to go and poke mythtv, then it blew up in my face ;)

[08:05:31]

nuonguy:

you're in good company

[08:05:33]

Tanthrix:

Once it works make a system wide image, make weekly db backups to a different system, and never touch it again for any reason

[08:05:41]

nuonguy:

heh

[08:05:43]

nuonguy:

never!

[08:06:03]

nuonguy:

even though it's in my living room and friends and family depend on it

[08:06:14]

nuonguy:

I don't care if they think it's high maintenance

[08:06:28]

voltagex:

Tanthrix: nah... system wide imaging just for my personal mythtv is more trouble than recompiling mythtv

[08:06:39]

voltagex:

The database isn't broken (yet)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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juski:

nuonguy: mythtv isn't high maintenance if you leave it the hell alone & just *use* it ;)

[08:18:50]

nuonguy:

what's the fun in that?

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voltagex:

juski: good advice I wish I'd taken an hour ago

[08:18:54]

nuonguy:

TV isn't that good

[08:19:05]

Tanthrix:

A good point.

[08:19:22]

Tanthrix:

Best thing I've heard in this chan – "I'm far too busy working on my myth box to watch TV"

[08:19:37]

nuonguy:

mind if I quote that?

[08:19:40]

dath:

juski: lol, well, maybe not once you get it working!

[08:19:54]

Tanthrix:

nuonguy: Sure, I just did!

[08:20:12]

dath:

I'm still fighting with my setup, though I'm really hoping that putting in another 512MB this Friday (when it gets here) will help!

[08:20:34]

Tanthrix:

I tinker with my box when I've got nothing better to do

[08:20:46]

Tanthrix:

For me, life is a constant supply of projects, so I always need to be working on something

[08:20:51]

nuonguy:

I tinker with it when I don't feel like tinkering with anything else

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dath:

Tanthrix: I don't even really like TV, so what does that mean about me?

[08:20:59]

juski:

it's not good advice IMHO, it's common sense :D

[08:21:23]

juski:

dath: maybe you just have better things to do with your time. I certainly don't watch much more than an hour a day

[08:21:29]

dath:

Yeah, but for folks like me who are doing this to tinker. . . Hard to leave things like this alone;->

[08:21:50]

nuonguy:

things changed here though, when my gf discoverd good cooking show

[08:21:52]

juski:

no sympathy from here

[08:21:52]

Tanthrix:

The saddest day of any enjoyable project is the day it is completed.

[08:21:53]

nuonguy:

like 'good eats'

[08:22:06]

dath:

Yeah, the better things seem to be spending four hours a day trying to get myth working adequately;->

[08:22:12]

nuonguy:

suddenly my mythtv machine was expected to work

[08:22:16]

juski:

if you finish a project then your goal wasn't ambitious enough :-P

[08:22:16]

Tanthrix:

Not true for unenjoyable projects, such as fixing a leaking roof.

[08:22:35]

dath:

juski: I *TOTALLY* hear that:-<

[08:22:38]

nuonguy:

I guess TV has done some good for me: I eat better

[08:22:50]

dath:

ROFL

[08:22:51]

Tanthrix:

I like that show

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nuonguy:

our cooking got a lot better quickly

[08:23:38]

Tanthrix:

I'm a little depressed about my setup right now though due to comcast enabling 5c encryption – the captured video is noticably less quality than the original digital streams

[08:23:48]

Tanthrix:

(Via my PVR-150)

[08:23:50]

nuonguy:

5c?

[08:23:52]

dath:

I'm still having problems with choppy audio, mainly with one station. . . Strangest thing. . . The recordings are fine, it's just playback on the frontend/backend box that is an issue, but not with other stations. . .

[08:23:59]

juski:

5c, the spawn of the devil

[08:24:11]

Tanthrix:

nuonguy: An encryption setup that prevents channels from being output digitally over firewire from cable boxes

[08:24:15]

juski:

it's encripplement, is 5C

[08:24:25]

nuonguy:

is that even legal?

[08:24:31]

Tanthrix:

Welcome to the US.

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juski:

it doesn't stop stuff being output, it just places the restriction that the client device must also speak 5C, which PC firewire ports can't

[08:24:55]

dath:

No kidding, the country where it isn't legal to reverse engineer such rediculous schemes!

[08:25:18]

nuonguy:

then it's not firewire

[08:25:34]

nuonguy:

then they're in violation of the FCC's order

[08:25:48]

Tanthrix:

Ahh well. If they're going to pull this stuff, I'll just be getting my TV shows from alternative sources.

[08:25:55]

nuonguy:

not that there's enough enforcement of that as it is

[08:26:04]

dath:

ATSC has everything I'll ever neet to watch;->

[08:26:16]

nuonguy:

what is ATSC? Standard over the air?

[08:26:27]

dath:

Over the air. . . digital. . .

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Tanthrix:

nuonguy: The ruling is supposedly just for OTA stuff provided via cable – all the cable only stuff can be encrypted

[08:26:35]

nuonguy:

ah

[08:26:39]

Tanthrix:

Though, no one has been able to point me to the exact spot in the ruling that says it

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juski:

that's being tested though isn't it? I think I read that on the -users list so it must be true! ;)

[08:27:17]

dath:

Anyone ever try running a HD frontend/backend with only 512MB?

[08:27:17]

Tanthrix:

I'm partially inclined to think that it's just bullshit that everyone keeps repeating because it's in the wiki – I did a fairly decent once over of the document and couldn't find it

[08:27:32]

juski:

dath: yeah, but not one doing HD

[08:27:59]

dath:

Yeah, I'm really thinking the memory will help, but it's killing me waiting. . . I keep playing with other stuff trying to find my problem, but to no avail;->

[08:28:22]

Tanthrix:

Myth is cranky with playback. About a billion kinds of black magic can make it not work correctly.

[08:28:23]

juski:

Tanthrix: it's definitely true that if asked, the cable co *must* provide you with a box which has firewire, and that you must get at least the OTA channels in the clear, IIRC

[08:28:26]

dath:

It just chops up the audio so much worse and more frequently on one channel in particular, it makes no damn sense!

[08:28:44]

Tanthrix:

juski: Yah, I think I did read that in there

[08:29:02]

dath:

juski: But it doesn't specify in what quality does it?

[08:29:04]

Tanthrix:

dath: Are we talking ATSC here or some other digital source, or a tuner card?

[08:29:15]

dath:

Tanthrix: ATSC.

[08:29:18]

juski:

if you happen to get more than just the OTA channels uncrippled, you're lucky ;)

[08:29:42]

Tanthrix:

The stream is certainly different then. There are all sorts of different audio configutations that ATSC can use I think

[08:30:07]

dath:

Tanthrix: Yeah, I can play that channel fine with another frontend running on my workstation. . .

[08:30:15]

juski:

I'm very much looking fwd to seeing h.264 playback improvements soon so I can get ready for HDTV in the UK ahead of time

[08:30:23]

Tanthrix:

And by the way, have you tried fiddling with the various "use extra audio buffering" and/or "use video as timebase" options ?

[08:31:02]

dath:

Tanthrix: Yes, though not using the video as timebase. . . I messed with both audio buffering options, the use extra buffers and the aggressive buffering. . .

[08:31:26]

Tanthrix:

Are you checking CPU / ram usage? And is the stream local or networked?

[08:31:36]

Tanthrix:

File, rather

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dath:

Yes, CPU usages is tolerable (50–60% or less with XvMC, which still seems damn high to me for this amd 3500), and memory usage is through the roof, but my swap in use doesn't seem to change much while playing. . .

[08:32:45]

dath:

This is a combined frontend/backend box.

[08:32:47]

Tanthrix:

Have you tried not using xvmc?

[08:32:53]

juski:

well, it'd certainly help to have more ram so it doesn't swap at all

[08:33:03]

dath:

Yes, but the HD stations aren't tolerable, it's too slow.

[08:33:15]

juski:

the theme you use has a *big* bearing on ram use

[08:33:19]

Tanthrix:

What about using mplayer?

[08:33:35]

dath:

juski: Yeah, funny thing is that the stations that are 1080i don't chop and this one doesn't seem to be broadcasting a high def signal and it does. . .

[08:33:36]

Tanthrix:

If mplayer can't do it, myth doesn't have a chance in hell.

[08:34:01]

dath:

My workstation is actually a *slower* machine and it does it just fine. . .

[08:34:13]

juski:

different video drivers maybe

[08:34:24]

dath:

It does have more memory though (1GB as opposed to 512). Same video driver, different video cards. . .

[08:34:38]

juski:

maybe the memory is making the difference then

[08:34:39]

dath:

Same distribution, same kernel. . . Yadda, yadda;->

[08:34:40]

Tanthrix:

dath: Like I said, myth is cranky. All sorts of weird mysterious things can cause issues

[08:34:50]

voltagex:

how can I remove items from the "Select Archive Items" screen?

[08:35:04]

juski:

I have 512MB in my frontend-only machine, and it's only for SDTV playback

[08:35:20]

juski:

I wouldn't dream of trying to do HD in only 512MB

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dath:

Yeah, I'm really hoping it is the memory, I just have that little voice in the back of my head telling me that it doesn't make sense for this station to have issues unlike others. . .

[08:35:30]

juski:

certainly not with a decent theme

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dath:

juski: I know, I'm nuts, I was trying to keep to a budget;->

[08:35:51]

juski:

you can't do good HTPCs on the cheap!

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dath:

I'm just using the default theme and the OSD is grayscale due to using xvmc. . .

[08:36:07]

juski:

the default? yeeeew :(

[08:36:07]

dath:

juski: I didn't say cheap, I said budget;->

[08:36:24]

dath:

juski: I wanted to stay stock until things are working well.

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dath:

Trying to get it working as a surprise "for my wife" when she gets back in town next week from a long trip.

[08:37:12]

dath:

Otherwise she's going to have a really nice new workstation;->

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juski:

well, do some sums. mythtv scales all the theme images from the base res (800x600 for 4:3 themes and 1280x720 for -wide themes) to whatever res you run it at – so the bigger res you run mythtv at, the more ram you use

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dath:

I'm running 640x480 to a normal old CRT TV;->

[08:38:05]

juski:

dath: another thing that could be killing it is scaling it down

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juski:

what res is your workstation running on?

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dath:

juski: Yeah, though CPU usage is fine and the other stations are mostly fine. . .

[08:38:49]

Tanthrix:

I've done CPU comparisons before between scaling and not scaling, and I've never noticed any difference to speak of

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dath:

I can run it in an 800x600 window on my workstation, or full screen at 1680x1050 with no problems. . .

[08:39:08]

juski:

yeah but high CPU usage isn't the issue here is it

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Tanthrix:

True.

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dath:

No, but I don't see what else scaling would do if not eat up cpu. . .

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juski:

in theory the video driver/card should be doing all the scaling

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dath:

It is, otherwise the CPU would likely be much higher I would think . . .

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juski:

any bottlenecks there and er..

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dath:

I'll see how the extra memory helps on Friday I guess. If it still has issues, I'll cart my workstation into the living room and put the card directly in it and see if I can get it work as a frontend/backend without issues. . .

[08:41:14]

dath:

The other possible issue is S/PDIF, though I don't really see exactly how. It is somewhat black magic to me and took a lot of tweaking to get working . . .

[08:41:39]

dath:

Of course that is again a constant for all stations. . .

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dath:

It isn't that I get no choppiness on other stations, but it is rare (as in minutes without) whereas stupid KPDX-DT chops the audio badly and often for spurts. . .

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dath:

On the plus side I setup MythDVD and MythVideo this evening. . .

[08:44:05]

juski:

I've seen issues on my frontend with some channels when I use digital audio out with xvmc & deinterlacing, on some versions of minimyth

[08:44:33]

dath:

Hmmm. . . Now *that* is interesting.

[08:45:01]

dath:

I *could* turn off the digital out and just use analog I suppose. . . I just liked the idea of surround;->

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juski:

I've yet to disable the digital audio to see if it gets fixed, but if it *does* fix the problem, then I'll know it's because alsa is resampling on the fly

[08:46:08]

dath:

Makes me wonder if the channel is using AC3. . .

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dath:

That should just pass through. . .

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juski:

you can use ffmpeg to tell

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juski:

ffmpeg -i $filename ;)

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dath:

or the myth osd;->

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juski:

infact it'll tell you a lot about the streams present in the file

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juski:

the myth OSD won't tell you stream parameters

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dath:

It tells you what audio channels the stream has as you can switch?

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juski:

yeah but that's little use

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dath:

Well, it would at least tell me if it had AC3?

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CBiLL:

can lirc be configured to run more than 1 STB using usb uirt?

[08:48:21]

juski:

people are hankering for some kind of streaminfo stuff on the OSD as a 'cool' thing but I can't see the point of that

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dath:

For debugging it would be nice;->

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juski:

for debugging there's ffmpeg -i

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dath:

Well, okay, I guess you have me there;->

[08:49:05]

juski:

we don't need no extra OSD menu options ffs

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dath:

huh, my frontend on my workstation is just wedging everytime I try to watch tv. . .

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CBiLL:

is there a way to set mythtv to also record teletext into mpeg file?

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juski:

CBiLL: teletext as in .. ? information pages or just subtitles?

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CBiLL:

captioning

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juski:

because AFAIK teletext (as in information pages) isn't supported at all – only subtitles

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CBiLL:

VBI captioning .. not the subtitle

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juski:

CC should be recorded along with the video

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juski:

if you can see CC in livetv, they ARE being recorded

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CBiLL:

but if i play back in other mpeg players it not shown

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CBiLL:

unless i play back in MythTV

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juski:

so that's a limitation of the crappy player

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CBiLL:

I was hoping to get MythTV to record show as it see it

[08:52:48]

juski:

it does

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CBiLL:

hrmmm

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juski:

or do you want the CC embedded in the video?

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CBiLL:

embedded

[08:53:05]

CBiLL:

yes

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CBiLL:

it become open caption

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juski:

that's way more complicated

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CBiLL:

but it can be done?

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juski:

yeah it can be done – don't ask me how but I know it can be

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CBiLL:

so I could take my recorded show on any portable mpeg players that does not have CC support in it

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dath:

juski: It's software it can do *anything*;->

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juski:

well, you'd need to make a user job script which splits the CC out of the recording and 'burns it in' on top of the video. basically you need to re-encode the recording with subs on top

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dath:

Alright, once again, it is bedtime for me. I think I'll look at the stream data tomorrow sometime and see if ffmpeg tells me anything interesting about that channel vs. my other channels. . .

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dath:

juski: Thanks for your advice again this evening!

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CBiLL:

think it something that devels would be willing to consider in next version of mythtv a toggle to either embedded it in video or not?

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juski:

CBiLL: I doubt any devs would want/need that so it's unlikely to happen

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CBiLL:

darn

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juski:

patches are always welcomed though

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juski:

even just for a user job to do it

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juski:

if you find it useful, it's likely somebody else will

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CBiLL:

I will have to read up more on user jobs and learn more about it

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CBiLL:

oh yeah trust me .. hundered of us deafies are looking for such software to record shows with CC embedded or becomes open caption so we can take those shows with us on portable mpeg players or even on our pda cell phones

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juski:

getting mythtv to run a script in a user job is easy. what you put in the script, and how you get it to do what you want, is not so easy

[09:02:43]

juski:

I think this subject might already have been covered one way or the other

[09:02:59]

CBiLL:

hrmm where would I find it covered?

[09:03:29]

CBiLL:

I have google and looked all over but cant seem to find mythtv forum with traffic

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juski:

IIRC you can get nuvexport to convert recordings with CC to separate files with .srt captions – then you can generate an open capture file with captions embedded over the video from that

[09:04:07]

juski:

CBiLL: try the mailing lists first

[09:04:13]

CBiLL:

I might do that

[09:04:23]

CBiLL:

I know I can extract CC and covert it to subtile file

[09:04:24]

juski:

mythtvtalk.com is useless, since there are so few people with clues who stick around there

[09:04:25]

CBiLL:

that easy

[09:04:37]

juski:

videohelp.org is a good source of info too

[09:04:38]

CBiLL:

but putting it back in mpeg embedded into video

[09:04:43]

CBiLL:

is where I am stuck at

[09:05:08]

CBiLL:

videohelp.org is a great site .. where i learn all the inner working of caption and subtitles

[09:05:08]

juski:

it can't be hard – let's just say I've seen plenty of videos lying around on the internet with burnt-in subtitles ;)

[09:05:47]

juski:

I've made a couple of user job scripts – I could even lend a hand

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CBiLL:

cool thanks .. first gotta find a software to imbed the subtitle back into video then Ill probably will ask for an hand to write a script to extract covert to sub and reinsert back into mpeg

[09:07:30]

juski:

if your portable device will play mpeg4 it might be better to convert to that

[09:07:59]

juski:

my most recent exporter script turns recordings into mpeg4 for video ipod & the like

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CBiLL:

I don't know if it will play mpeg4 .. it a WIndows Mobile 6 with it own WM

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juski:

blech

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CBiLL:

well I am on a deaf plan because since voice plan is worthless to us .. it either WM or Blackberry and we get unlimited data unlimited text and unlimited laptop tethering for 1 price a month

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juski:

figures ;)

[09:09:56]

CBiLL:

they are talking about adding iphone to the plan as well too

[09:10:30]

juski:

they can play mpeg4 AFAIK

[09:10:49]

CBiLL:

MythTV is running nicely for me . .Caption is nice and clean

[09:10:59]

CBiLL:

but stuck at lirc at the moment

[09:11:11]

CBiLL:

so reading on that some more on setting up lirc to use uirt

[09:11:20]

juski:

lirc sure can be a bitch. the trick is to make it *your* bitch

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Dagmar:

you're my hero

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CBiLL:

yeah so I read

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CBiLL:

I might just wound up building a serial ir blaster if I don't get this going

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** SiD3WiNDR got one from irblaster.info but hasn't gotten a round tuit to install it **

[09:15:54]

Dagmar:

I was lazy

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Dagmar:

I threw money at the problem

[09:16:09]

Dagmar:

IguanaSoft makes a very nice high-powered IR transciever

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CBiLL:

this is what I got http://www.usbuirt.com/

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Dagmar:

It should work fine

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CBiLL:

yes it supported in 0.8.1 or above

[09:18:49]

Dagmar:

I've been considering switching to one of those becuase my box only has one serial port and I'd *kinda* like to hook up some shiznit to make MythTV lower the lights in my den (or switch to blacklighting, depending on what I'm doing) when I do stuff with it, and that interface is serial

[09:18:52]

CBiLL:

problem is .. I installed MythDora and it complies it's lirc without uirt support I think

[09:19:00]

Dagmar:

That you should be able to fix

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Dagmar:

RPMs are not actually all that hard to modify once you get the srpm

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CBiLL:

so I am trying to learn how to modifty it atm

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CBiLL:

I know you need to ./setup.sh and select that hardware in the list usb-uirt

[09:20:06]

CBiLL:

the complie it

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Dagmar:

I mean, basically, you install the srpm, you dig around in /usr/src/(rpm|redhat)/SOURCES for the spec file, make a tiny modification, add to it's changelog and increment the revision number, and then run rpm -bb packagename and it'll compile you up a new RPM

[09:20:34]

Dagmar:

Then you just install the new RPM and you're basically done

[09:20:53]

Dagmar:

...this being one of the reasons why procedural package building methods pwn.

[09:21:16]

CBiLL:

sound good .. I was thinking of reformatting over MythDora and just install Fedora Core or one of other distro then built up MythTV from there learning it

[09:21:34]

Dagmar:

In the case of the rpm, I *think* what they're doing is taking the file that running setup.sh creates and just dropping it in there as if setup.sh had been run

[09:21:48]

Dagmar:

Keep the srpms from MythDora around if you do that

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Dagmar:

Writing new spec files from scratch is bitchy

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juski:

woo FC == dependency hell

[09:22:02]

CBiLL:

that bad eh?

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CBiLL:

what distro would you recommand then?

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juski:

can be

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Dagmar:

CCBill: It is MUCH easier to change one line than it is to populate a couple dozen lines from scratch, no?

[09:22:34]

CBiLL:

I did install MythTV once a year ago on FC hehe .. only took me a day and on a cheapo WinTV card

[09:22:38]

juski:

my advice would be, if you want to learn linux, don't use your mythtv box if you like it to stay working ;)

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Dagmar:

CCBill: He's just being snarky about all the newbs and their complaints

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CBiLL:

yes I met him last night

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Dagmar:

Here's an ethical question for ya

[09:23:07]

CBiLL:

already know his type 8-)

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juski:

we see a lot of "hey I upgraded stuff and now things are bwoked" here

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CBiLL:

no this will be a stand alone mythtv box

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Dagmar:

I'm in an argument in a forum (bromides about the Special Olympics aside, I am trying to keep people from learning misinformation) with some dumbass who is convinced he is doing the right thing by using "40+ character passwords" on his machine

[09:24:03]

Dagmar:

He keeps jabbering about rainbow tables.

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juski:

isn't it really the problem that folks run into problems when they mix repos with FC – and that's where the dependency hell stems from?

[09:24:40]

Dagmar:

Should I completely destroy his credibility by pointing out how fucked up that is, or just stick with my previous argument, which is that at MOST you can only feed 128 bits of data (about 15–16 characters) to MD5

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Dagmar:

juski: pretty much

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Dagmar:

EIther that or they didn't bother to let the thing go online to get the deps they need or it would do that

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CBiLL:

40+ character password? so your saying this dude using 40+ characters in his password? that is one parniod dude then

[09:25:48]

juski:

and blindly letting $stuff update – that can be a good source of nightmares too

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Dagmar:

Like, for one thing, rainbow tables don't apply because these are system passwords which are salted, and as if rainbow tables were space-consumptive enough, salting the passwords means you have to make SEVERAL THOUSAND different rainbow tables

[09:26:15]

CBiLL:

last time when I did MythTV on FC .. all I use was yum install to get all the deps

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Dagmar:

CCBiLL: Yes, he is. The worst part is that he's a Gentoo user

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Dagmar:

CCbill: He was also making claims that su only allows root and he seems to think it's more secure than sudo somehow

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Dagmar:

Now that I've pressed him on the su thing he *claims* to have modified su to only allow su'ing to root, which frankly I think is him lying.

[09:27:11]

floppyears:

darn, now that I have a mythtv box I'm watching more tv than ever :(

[09:27:55]

Dagmar:

I'm rather thinking I should just write an article about how the shit works and put it in Memestreams for Google to find

[09:28:10]

CBiLL:

yeah that one downside about MythTV or any PVRs .. you watch more tv than before but the upside to it that I think you are actually watching more TV and less commericals so the time between before and after is still probably the same or slightly higher

[09:28:13]

CBiLL:

8-)

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Dagmar:

God only knows how many thousands of hits that would get

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CBiLL:

make sure you put some google ads on it so you can make some $$ while at it

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CBiLL:

8-)

[09:28:45]

** juski goes to buy some razor blades **

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Dagmar:

CCBill: the bad thing is that if he's using a 40+ character password, it's almost certainly a full sentence, which is a MUCH smaller keyspace to search

[09:28:56]

CBiLL:

that I was wondering

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Dagmar:

...not to mention once you get to that many bits there has just got to be huge numbers of potential collisions as opposed to a simple 8 character password

[09:29:22]

CBiLL:

"tryinghackingintothisboxyoufreaks"

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Dagmar:

If it were random words like s/key uses, then if you only overheard (or shoulder-surfed) part of hte password you would not be able to reasonably guess the restr

[09:30:04]

juski:

I left a mythtv box unprotected online for weeks & the worst anybody could do was rename some videos

[09:30:27]

CBiLL:

that a new term to me .. shoulder-surf so what this?

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Dagmar:

juski: I think maybe you can chalk that up to no one being mean enough to just delete everything

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CBiLL:

trying to find password by looking over people shoulders?

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Dagmar:

CBiLL: Surreptitiously watching someone type their password, usu. from over their shoulder

[09:30:50]

CBiLL:

when they are using their computer?

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CBiLL:

yeah what I thought

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Dagmar:

The biter is it's a freaking anime-centric forum

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juski:

pity them & move on

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Dagmar:

I'm not entirely sure I should give that much of a damn what anyone there knows or doesn't know, but ther'es a lot of kids on the forum and I don't want them thinking these stupid things are the RIGHT approach

[09:32:41]

juski:

pity them all, anime fans

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Dagmar:

Shit like that can come back to haunt you

[09:33:02]

juski:

leave it, they've not worth it ;)

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drindt:

some can tell me which lirc device i must set for the skystar2 ir receiver?

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CBiLL:

he does have good points to agure .. like he said he doesn't want other folks thinking it the right approach and I have to agree with that

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Dagmar:

One night a friend of mine who is seriously probably one of the hugest freaks in Nashville played a stunt on some high-school freshmen by smoking green Fruit Loops in an improvised pipe made out of a coke can and making them believe it would get you high

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monotonous:

hi

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Dagmar:

This is now an established urban myth throughout the entire Tennessee Valley

[09:34:04]

CBiLL:

lol

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CBiLL:

not suprised

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Dagmar:

I have had arguments with people about that it does not in fact do a damn thing

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monotonous:

does someone know if there is a chance to get mythfrontend on top of every window with lirc?? like mplayer has an option

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juski:

why the hell do we get so many lirc questions here? let the lirc guys field them

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Dagmar:

At the time, I thought it was fucking funny

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Dagmar:

juski: The lirc guys are all hiding

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CBiLL:

there no lirc channel =P

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juski:

so? and that's our problem why?

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Dagmar:

monotonous: dude that question doesn't even make sense

[09:35:02]

Dagmar:

You are ALWAYS looking at mythfrontend when you are watching TV

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monotonous:

yes, but sometime there a pop-ups coming from e.g. pidgin

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monotonous:

sometimes

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juski:

unless mythfrontend deliberately stops listening to lirc when it launches an external app :)

[09:35:37]

Dagmar:

Yes, and thta's pretty much outside the scope of Myth

[09:35:46]

Dagmar:

It was designed to be a kiosk-type app

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juski:

so close pidgin to stop it bugging you

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monotonous:

what nice guys you are !

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jams:

or configure your windowmanger to always keep myth on top

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Dagmar:

...or, write a perl plugin for pigdin that calls mythosd

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monotonous:

mplayer has a function and I expected that myth has one too

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Dagmar:

mplayer is not designed to be a kiosk

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Dagmar:

MythTV is designed to be the ENTIRE interface

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monotonous:

well, I and lots of other people are not using mythtv alone

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jams:

any real windowmanger will have that as an option

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juski:

so?

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Dagmar:

Those people aren't mad enough to complain when it doesn't act like they want it to

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monotonous:

ok then tell me why myth has this window-option?

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juski:

you're getting good tips here

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monotonous:

for kiosks?

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monotonous:

no

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Dagmar:

THey know it was designed to be run as the whole interface and that it runs as an application is just a nice bonus

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juski:

nobody's yelling.. yet

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Dagmar:

There's not really any good way to reconcile these two approaches right now

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Dagmar:

Write a pigdin plugin that calls mythosd. Problem solved.

[09:38:17]

monotonous:

well, then there is one option when starting applications in gonme --- i will get them and post them instead of posting nerdy messages of mythtv's beginning

[09:38:34]

monotonous:

:)

[09:38:37]

Dagmar:

huh?

[09:38:44]

dath:

monotonous: I don't believe (though it is very possible I'm wrong) that mythfrontend has the ability to bring itself to the top. . . You would need to map something to a window-manager function to accomplish what you want to do.

[09:39:14]

monotonous:

dath: do you know how other programs do that? I would deliver a patch for mythfrontend

[09:39:14]

Dagmar:

monotonous: Okay, since you've pulled out the "insult card", it's my turn now.

[09:39:35]

monotonous:

thx dagmar I dont need your help :)

[09:39:51]

Dagmar:

If you make mythfrontend ALWAYS stay on top, PIDGIN CAN NEVER SHOW YOU A WINDOW AT ALL, dolt

[09:40:11]

Dagmar:

So, THINK about these things before asking dumb questions.

[09:40:20]

monotonous:

great channel!

[09:40:35]

Dagmar:

Hey, it's the users that make all the difference in the world.

[09:40:43]

dath:

monotonous: It has been a long while since I've done any X coding . . . You could look at the source for some other program that does it, though I'm not sure why you couldn't just create a key combination that the window manager would catch. A little sub-optimal for sure, but still workable I think.

[09:40:49]

monotonous:

omg I'm a developer too Dagmar :)

[09:41:00]

Dagmar:

I know I personally love being called a nerd when I've offered a solution that anyone who can program in any of three languages could implement in 15 minutes flat

[09:41:05]

CBiLL:

ah an IM

[09:41:13]

monotonous:

dath: yes, good idea, a key combination via irxevent would be enough

[09:41:18]

CBiLL:

I was wondering what the heck is a pidgin lol

[09:41:22]

CBiLL:

had to google it

[09:41:32]

monotonous:

Dagmar: its not only a pidgin problem :)

[09:41:37]

Dagmar:

CBiLL: Yeah, it's the new name for GAIM.

[09:41:43]

monotonous:

Dagmar: but thats out of your scope i think

[09:41:58]

Dagmar:

monotonous: Of course not. Pidgin's devs have more sense than to consider this a problem

[09:42:06]

juski:

raise a ticket for it & see how long it lasts ;)

[09:42:07]

dath:

Yeah, it is certainly a problem with all windows if you're running it in windowed mode. . .

[09:42:14]

monotonous:

I've never considered it a problem, did I?

[09:42:25]

Dagmar:

monotonous: If you didn't then why did you bother us with it?

[09:42:47]

monotonous:

remember my first question and that long going never ending WHO HAS THE BIGGER BALLS discussion

[09:42:48]

monotonous:

:)

[09:43:01]

Dagmar:

Why discuss that... mine have got to be bigger.

[09:43:06]

Dagmar:

You clearly don't have any.

[09:43:09]

dath:

At this stage of myth it seems that the developers are much more apt to focus on core issues and functionality than small inconveniences like this, that's for sure.

[09:43:09]

monotonous:

I was searching for an lirc event :) nothing else

[09:44:00]

Dagmar:

Yeah, because irexec is just so damn hard to find

[09:44:06]

monotonous:

:)

[09:44:15]

dath:

No need to have a size contest, besides, I'd *definitely* win;->

[09:44:17]

monotonous:

be nice and get a downer

[09:44:25]

Dagmar:

Get a clue.

[09:44:32]

monotonous:

get a life ;)

[09:44:35]

Dagmar:

Don't insult the people you want help from.

[09:44:36]

monotonous:

got woirk, cu

[09:44:44]

dath:

c'mon guys, seriously, no need to be unkind to one another, can't we all just get along?

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dath:

Shoot, I was supposed to go to bed ages ago, darn email kept me up;->

[09:45:22]

** CBiLL get a tape measure "Ok let drop them pants and see who's got the biggest balls" **

[09:45:41]

juski:

there goes the 'community' biting the hand that feeds it again. damnit guys I'm trying my hardest to be reasonable

[09:45:42]

dath:

I got some kind of invitation from FWD to test out SIP devices. . . I have no idea why or how they got my contact info though;->

[09:45:59]

Dagmar:

dath: Hey screw how they got it, it sounds coool

[09:46:01]

monotonous:

I never want to be unkind, but I got an easy question and want a yes/no answer, but Dagmar (a girls name in my country) thought she had to give me a lesson :)

[09:46:24]

dath:

Dagmar: Yeah, I replied and said I'd be willing to participate, but wanted some more information;->

[09:46:32]

monotonous:

not everyone coming in this channel, because of not ideling around is a noob :)

[09:46:34]

Dagmar:

Because your question showed that you had your head up your ass

[09:46:50]

monotonous:

come down

[09:46:51]

Dagmar:

You weren't likely to get anywhere until you understood the exact scope of your problem

[09:47:06]

dath:

I got a free welder from Hobart a year or so back because I participated on their message board and was willing to field test it. Really nice welder too!

[09:47:10]

** CBiLL raises his hand "I am a noob! really!" **

[09:47:41]

Dagmar:

But god forbid anyone ever presume that someone who has a problem they can't solve and are asking for help might not actually know everything

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CBiLL:

I idle in this channel to keep logs of all the coverations that goes on in here to read back later and maybe learn a few things here and there that not found on forums or mailing list 8-)

[09:48:27]

Dagmar:

CBiLL: This is not a bad idea

[09:48:35]

dath:

Dagmar: don't sweat it man, peeps just get frustrated because the same questions get asked over and over again. I know I've asked my fair share of those kinds of questions . . .

[09:48:42]

Dagmar:

I got a lot of milage out of doing that in a few channels back in the 90's

[09:49:01]

Dagmar:

dath: i don't really have a problem with the question... I have a problem with the way he reacted to the answer tho

[09:49:06]

Dagmar:

He didn't like it, and so he acted like a jerk.

[09:49:41]

monotonous:

tsss

[09:49:54]

Dagmar:

Wanting substantial parts of the Myth UI code to be changed (which is what it would take) for an edge case is pretty damn selfish

[09:50:01]

monotonous:

:) I have to left, because you cant help – I alway knew about the irxevent thing

[09:50:17]

dath:

I understand, I'm just saying that life's too short to worry about little things like that. . . Especially when you know that a 25' tape measure just ain't big 'nuff;->

[09:50:21]

monotonous:

and thanks for the fun :) time to eat

[09:50:26]

juski:

I love it when people live up to their IRC nick

[09:50:30]

Dagmar:

monotonous: Don't be sad just because you're too stupid to understand the correct solution. Someday you'll be dead and it won't matter anymore.

[09:50:32]

CBiLL:

damn I am deaf and his grammar is worse than mine

[09:50:36]

dath:

juski: lol

[09:50:41]

monotonous:

lol girl!

[09:51:02]

dath:

CBiLL: Which one of us? ;->

[09:51:11]

CBiLL:

monotonous

[09:51:13]

monotonous:

I'm laughing since 20 minutes guys :)

[09:51:19]

CBiLL:

I have to left?

[09:51:27]

monotonous:

I know because I dont like lirc --- just guys with no life :)

[09:51:34]

monotonous:

I know why .,...

[09:51:41]

dath:

Yeah, that was pretty bad, but maybe he's not a native English speaker?

[09:51:45]

Dagmar:

And again, more insults to everyone around

[09:51:57]

Dagmar:

I have some nice shell optimizers for people like that

[09:52:10]

CBiLL:

lirc isn't friendly to me either but gotta take what I can get for free

[09:52:22]

dath:

monotonous: Seriously, the folks here are really nice if you're polite. Everyone has been very helpful with my totally ignorant questions over the last few days. . .

[09:52:22]

CBiLL:

and learn it as I go

[09:52:48]

dath:

Use the source Luke;->

[09:53:37]

monotonous:

I wasn't the first who said dumb things and I really like the mythtv channel :)

[09:53:51]

Dagmar:

You were the jerk who started calling people nerdy.

[09:54:05]

monotonous:

so have a nice day/night, wherever you are and sorry for my interruption :)

[09:54:12]

Dagmar:

If you think so poorly of the people on IRC, get the fuck off the network, lamer.

[09:54:18]

jams:

This is going nowhere both of you just drop it

[09:54:19]

monotonous:

oh, I call myself nerdy and didn't hink of a bad word

[09:54:25]

dath:

Well, if you're hanging out in this channel, likely you are somewhat nerdy, so he may have had a point, even if it wasn't polite;->

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** dath dawns flame suit. . . **

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SiD3WiNDR:

white and nerdy!

[10:03:00]

jams:

amazing , thought for sure somebody needed to be kicked

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SiD3WiNDR:

that group already exists? ;)

[10:07:15]

juski:

not to worry. my 40 razor blades are on their way

[10:09:02]

** jams prepares to upload some more packages and iso **

[10:09:50]

** dath is actually going to go to bed now! **

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Dagmar:

He really *should* just write a plugin for mythosd

[10:13:36]

Dagmar:

It's actually really nifty even though it makes my graphics look like I need new contacts

[10:13:55]

Dagmar:

I've gotten about 90% of a _really_ overly complex thing set up for PhreakNIC using it

[10:14:09]

drindt:

is the webfrontend built in in myth? means it needs no apache?

[10:14:22]

Dagmar:

drindt: Nope.

[10:14:23]

juski:

it needs apache

[10:14:34]

drindt:

and i guess php? :)

[10:14:40]

juski:

I think it'll also work with lighttpd with some persuasion

[10:14:53]

juski:

yes, the docs say you need php too

[10:14:54]

jams:

yeah it works with lighttpd

[10:15:10]

jams:

assuming your talking about mythweb

[10:15:21]

drindt:

the lighttpd where is the differences? smaller doc? smaller binary?

[10:15:34]

juski:

smaller footprint, generally I think

[10:15:39]

Dagmar:

I've got things so that the s-video output of a video camera fees into the first input of the PVR-500, which is then played back out and will be fed to the OTHER input of the PVR-500, which will then be fed to a different frontend over a short network cable, and that output fed into the amp to send out to the rest of the hotel

[10:16:03]

juski:

Dagmar: wtf?

[10:16:11]

Dagmar:

So, using mythtvosd, I've got a way to splash a little 'con logo in the bottom of the screen, for one thing...

[10:16:30]

Dagmar:

...and I'm working on some bot code to allow people to just join the IRC channel and have stuff go across the bottom of the screen

[10:17:18]

Dagmar:

If I can keep people from hacking the crap out of it during the 'con (I mainly plan on hanging a sign on the box begging people to please not fuck up the recordings so others can watch the lectures later)...

[10:17:48]

Dagmar:

ANyone with say, knoppmyth or mythdora *should*, *in theory* be able to pull up lectures they missed over hte hotel network

[10:17:54]

juski:

er.. like don't let anybody connect to it.. "please don't hack this" is kinda red rag to a bull

[10:18:08]

Dagmar:

juski: Well, in this case it's self-interest-driven

[10:18:26]

Dagmar:

If someone hacks it and fucks it up, they won't be able to catch lectures they might have missed because they were too hung over

[10:19:26]

juski:

as often seen in here, people can be their own worst enemies

[10:19:28]

Dagmar:

I'm kinda thinking the safer thing for that might be to set up a second mysql user with only read privs and give that to mythweb

[10:19:41]

Dagmar:

Then people could view the lecture schedule as well as pull up recorded lectures

[10:19:46]

juski:

me need helpy. you helpy? thanks, that no helpy. you suck, you retards!

[10:19:56]

Dagmar:

...without me having to give them any way to grope and tickle the mysql server

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juski:

hmm I'm so bored I think I'll go have a look in my apache logs

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Dagmar:

Dolemite gets PISSED at me when I mention this stuff where the rest of the video team can see it because they're extremely ADHD and they won't get shit done if I give them too many ideas

[10:23:30]

Dagmar:

Hehe

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juski:

getting an awful lot of attempted accesses from USA educational establishments lately

[10:24:57]

Dagmar:

THey're prolly filthy with worms

[10:25:34]

juski:

heh. all those students unable to sit still :-P

[10:25:36]

Dagmar:

We wind up blocking anywhere between 3–12 people a week just from their filthy infected machines pissing off the IDS

[10:26:10]

Dagmar:

My favorite are the people who get blocked for bandwidth consumption who are always trying to be cagey about why they might have gotten blocked

[10:27:23]

juski:

getting plenty from this network's open proxy searching too

[10:27:30]

juski:

I do wish they didn't feel it necessary

[10:27:33]

Dagmar:

"Yeah, well, so I *might* have been running something that used a lot of bandwid.." "Uh-huh yeah like I haven't heard this before. Look, dude, you were pirating something and got careless. If it's your first offense, I can turn your connection back on, but if you mess up again we're going to have a serious problem, so keep it under control and don't make us have to process any nastygrams from the RIAA or MPAA, dig?" "Umm... Okay."

[10:27:59]

Dagmar:

juski: WHy search for them when xroxy.com has a nice list updated daily

[10:28:48]

juski:

nah I mean freenode scanning every connected user's IP address

[10:29:18]

juski:

they went apeshit one night & it crashed my router

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Dagmar:

Wow

[10:30:36]

Dagmar:

That's one of hte reasons I just stay connected with screen

[10:30:57]

Dagmar:

80 connections or so at once tends to make my IDS page me

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juski:

I cleared the logs, then in the next second refreshed – the log was full again, from addresses which resolved to their scanner

[10:31:54]

juski:

a one-off as far as I know but it was puzzling

[10:33:54]

juski:

ah ffs just when I'm getting used to CPU names, Intel go & shake it all up again!

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juski:

no more core2 duo & quad from next year apparently – they're gonna be addressed as 'core2' and the model number

[10:35:56]

voltagex:

juski: doh, not again!

[10:36:30]

Dagmar:

Give 'em time and they'll just start using the eleven character hex identifed from the chip fabbing plany

[10:36:34]

Dagmar:

s/plany/plant/;

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juski:

how many kiloquads will the CPUs be then? :-P

[10:36:45]

Dagmar:

s/indentified/identifier/;

[10:37:13]

Dagmar:

Pfft... kiloquads... don't you know it's all about the jigglybytes?

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juski:

hmm jiggly wobblies

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voltagex:

g'night

[10:40:38]

juski:

'playstation to record TV'.. tell me I'm hallucinating

[10:41:49]

Dagmar:

Someone asking about putting mythbackend on a PS2 on the ML, eh?

[10:42:10]

juski:

not yet

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drindt:

juski: better with a gamegirl

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juski:

afternoon gbee

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gbee:

g'afternoon juski

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juski:

not long & it'll be the weekend :D

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gbee:

yay

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juski:

still haven't seen a definitive guide to getting the new mythweather to work in the UK. best the ML comes up with is 'some script or other'

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juski:

ahh! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Weather_sandbox

[11:48:28]

gbee:

we need a scrapper for the BBC weather site

[11:50:07]

gbee:

guess we need someone to put together a guide to creating new scripts

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** gbee takes a quick look at what that might involve **

[11:54:07]

juski:

I've done a little bit of page scraping stuff before, but I really don't like it

[11:54:25]

juski:

rss would be nicer, then you can just use xml::parser :)

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gbee:

is there a decent rss feed we can use?

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** gbee goes to see **

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gbee:

cool, yes there is :D

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juski:

on the bbc site there's a 5 day rss feed

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juski:

for every location going, or so it might seem

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gbee:

http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/weather/feeds/rss/5day/id/1640.xml

[11:57:25]

gbee:

3 day, current

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gbee:

can't actually see feeds for 5 day and 24 hour, but I guess they must be there somewhere

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juski:

the path says 5 day, so maybe 3 is the best you can get

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gbee:

hmm, 5day feed is labelled as 3 day

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juski:

though the way weather changes here maybe that's no bad thing

[11:59:34]

gbee:

http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/data/WeatherFeeds

[12:00:15]

gbee:

so just the two, but that's better than nothing and should be easier to build a script off that

[12:00:32]

juski:

there's a lot of whitespace in the xml file innit

[12:01:58]

juski:

I've seen some really cool stuff people have done with that backstage thing

[12:02:14]

gbee:

if anything, we just need to figure out how to do the ID lookups

[12:02:28]

juski:

that could be tricky

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gbee:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/weather/search/ . . . y=Washington

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gbee:

parseable, but easily broken

[12:05:18]

gbee:

maybe not ... just look for "/weather/5day.shtml?world=xxxx" and then use the text on the same line

[12:05:30]

gbee:

postcode lookups are easier and that's where I'd start

[12:06:56]

juski:

cool

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gbee:

juski: there is a full guide to script writing in the mythweather/scripts/README – expected input/output, arguments that must be supported etc

[12:08:19]

juski:

not what I'd call a full guide I'm afraid

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gbee:

just found that and it's exactly what I was hoping for

[12:09:27]

gbee:

well it's enough to answer the questions I had, combined with the source code of the other scripts and the plugin itself

[12:09:59]

gbee:

not done anything with perl for 18 months, so might make a nice project to refresh my memory

[12:10:38]

juski:

I'll either be banging on with my config whiz thing or the appearance plugin.. or else getting bladderred in manchester

[12:28:39]

juski:

can't make my mind up whether it'd be better to continue & try to get my page scraper working (for the lineups from digitalspy) or just enter the whole lot into a db, parse it out & write xml files directly from the info

[12:29:03]

juski:

considering I'll have to do some manual mangling of the data anyway, maybe the latter will be best from the off

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clever_:

getting problems with zap2it

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clever_:

500(internal server) errors i beleive

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clever_:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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clever_:

Reusing existing connection to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com:80.

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clever_:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error

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clever_:

07:33:06 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.

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psofa:

anyone might know if i can control the tv power from my mythbox?i dont want just blanking i want the equivalent of pushing the power button on my tv

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psofa:

supposedly the hdmi interface (dvd players ps3) is able to do this

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clever_:

ive tryed to use my existing ir blaster(for the external tuner) for that

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clever_:

but i cant find the codes for my tv

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clever_:

and i dont have a receiver so i cant record them

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psofa:

hmm i was actually thinking of sth that doesnt need a remote control.like writing on the cli ./tvclose

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juski:

ah roll on sep 2nd

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clever_:

with an ir blaster you can use a cli command

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clever_:

where is the guide data pw stored again

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juski:

same place as everything else

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clever_:

i forgot the name/pw and need to login to the site i think

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clever_:

settings table?

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clever_:

i dont see it in the settings table

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juski:

videosource

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clever_:

ahhhh:)

[12:44:54]

clever_:

much better:)

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clever_:

i see what i had wrong in my pw now

[12:45:42]

clever_:

Status: Expired

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clever_:

Subscription Expires: 2007/08/12 Extend your subscription

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clever_:

Subscription Plan: Gold

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clever_:

yep thats the problem:)

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MrSassyPants:

what's the way to integrate nextview into mythtv that keeps me the most sane?

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clever_:

yay 200 codes(and not 500's)

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GreyFoxx:

What's nextview ?

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gbee:

MrSassyPants: assuming you mean the EPG stuff I just found on google, then you want to look at an xmltv grabber

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MrSassyPants:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NexTView_Import <- I guess this is what I'm looking for

[12:52:11]

MrSassyPants:

but the wiki article lacks a "How does this actually work like" section :/

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juski:

looks like they harvest VBI teletext data

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juski:

it couldn't work any other way

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MrSassyPants:

that's not what I mean

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MrSassyPants:

*how* does mythtv process the xmltv data

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gbee:

that script won't work with trunk, still specifies an offset for the --file command

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juski:

it parses the xmltv file, based on the DTD for xmltv

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gbee:

MrSassyPants: I'm guessing there is a proper question in there somewhere, but unless you want me to explain xml parsing I guess I can't see it

[12:55:08]

MrSassyPants:

yeah yeah I guess it *will* parse the xml file using a dtd for the xmltv file. Because that's what you usually do with an xml file

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MrSassyPants:

that's not what I mean though. Does it add channels or something? Do the channel names from the nxtvepg software have to be identical with the ones I'm already using? does the file contain frequency tables?

[12:56:16]

juski:

each channel in xmltv has a unique identifier known as the xmltvid

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juski:

for a channel to have guide data in mythtv, it needs to have the correct xmltvid in the channel table

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MrSassyPants:

in mythtv's channel table

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juski:

yes in mythtv's channel table

[12:57:30]

MrSassyPants:

and how do I get mythtv to know each channels (in mythtv's channel table) xmltvid

[12:58:15]

juski:

you can enter them yourself, or the first time you run mythfilldatabase (after configuring the grabber) they'll be inserted for you

[12:58:17]

gbee:

you type them in, can be done from within livetv (press E), from mythtv-setup or through mythweb

[12:58:43]

MrSassyPants:

I gave each channel a name in livetv (pressing e)

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juski:

mythfilldatabase inserting them is the preferred method, but not all xmltv grabbers provide channel numbers or tuning info

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MrSassyPants:

<juski> you can enter them yourself, or the first time you run mythfilldatabase (after configuring the grabber) they'll be inserted for you <- does that mean I don't have to worry about that since the channel names are going to be overwritten by epg data?

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juski:

if you do it properly in the first place, you don't need to do anything

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MrSassyPants:

and how do I do it properly in the first place?

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MrSassyPants:

argh, that wiki article is crap :(

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MrSassyPants:

here's another question

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MrSassyPants:

why does mythbackend keep crashing

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Ryushin:

I'm trying to write a script to let me know when schedules direct opens allows sign ins. For some reason this command does not pull the same content as the firefox web browser: wget -qO- --user-agent="firefox" https://www.schedulesdirect.org/signup/

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Ryushin:

MrSassyPants: Have you sacrificed your chicken yet?

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: Do a little googling to find out the _real_ user-agent string Firefox sends and you might have a chance

[13:32:13]

Ryushin:

googling....

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Dagmar:

Wikipedia actually has a pretty decent breakdown

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MrSassyPants:

Ryushin, I'm sacrificing an egg, does that count?

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drindt:

iam ight i see thet the source from the 0.20 branch contain code from some libs i already installed

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Ryushin:

As long as it's not boiled, and a little chicken is painted on the egg first.

[13:35:07]

Dagmar:

I actually suspect you could probably get by with just pulling HEAD on / and checking the Last-Modified header in the response

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Ryushin:

MrSassyPants: What distro, version of myth, kernel version, and recording cards do you have?

[13:35:34]

Dagmar:

I thinkk xris is clued in enough to know to make sure that reflects an actual value and not just "now" as most script-generated pages tend to be

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Ryushin:

Dagmar: That would probably work too.

[13:35:46]

Dagmar:

...not sure if he's the guy who did the site tho

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MrSassyPants:

Ryushin, gentoo, 0.20.1_p14146, 2.6.22-gentoo-r5, bt848

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MrSassyPants:

and the mythbackend occasionally crashes when I select the "watch tv" function in mythfrontend

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MrSassyPants:

no error messages. Its just... gone

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Dagmar:

There's probably an error message somewhere, but it's probably "Segmentation Fault"

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Dagmar:

Have you checked the backend logs?

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MrSassyPants:

yes. those are the logs that don't produce any error

[13:38:50]

Dagmar:

There's all manner of things it could be then

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MrSassyPants:

I think I've seen seg faults when I had the backend run in the console

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Dagmar:

Bad RAM, crappy binaries, flaky tuner card...

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MrSassyPants:

none of that

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MrSassyPants:

tvtime works flawlessly, for example

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Ryushin:

Could also be a bad power supply, etc.

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MrSassyPants:

nope

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MrSassyPants:

its just mythbackend

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MrSassyPants:

and that's by far not the most strainful app that I run

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Ryushin:

Does it just lock tight? Can the mouse move? Does it respond to pings?

[13:40:26]

MrSassyPants:

its the mythbackend

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MrSassyPants:

it goes "poof"

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Ryushin:

Is it just the process that is dying or the whole machine?

[13:40:44]

MrSassyPants:

my box works fine other than mythbackend saying sayonara occasionally

[13:41:01]

MrSassyPants:

<MrSassyPants> its just mythbackend

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Ryushin:

How often does it happen? Mine was crashing about every 2–4 weeks or so.

[13:41:29]

Ryushin:

I have 4 tuners and six hard drives though.

[13:41:53]

Ryushin:

I ended up writing a little monitoring script that restarts the backend if the process is missing.

[13:42:01]

Ryushin:

And sending me a little e-mail when it happens.

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Ryushin:

This worked for me: wget -qO- --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/5 Firefox/2.0.0.6" https://

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Ryushin:

www.schedulesdirect.org/signup/

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MrSassyPants:

er, that worked for you... in doing what?

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Dagmar:

Ryushin: Good job... I started to say "just look in your Apache logs" but then I realized not everyone runs a webserver that collects user-agent strings. heh

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Ryushin:

Dagmar: Yea, that's what I was going to check next. I do run a web server as well.

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Dagmar:

Oh wow

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Dagmar:

Armageddon time

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Dagmar:

I think I found a new way of taking out open relays. :)

[13:59:23]

Dagmar:

Hmm... Maybe I should throttle this. I set up some iptables magic to masquerade connections to port 25 back to the originating host

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SiD3WiNDR:

hehe

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SiD3WiNDR:

it's easy to crash the backend

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Dagmar:

Seems like abuot an hour ago the first sucker fell for it... Email has been redlivered to the originating machine 3,000 times and counting now

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MrSassyPants:

2007-08–23 15:54:14.278 mythbackend: Autoexpire Recording: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /mythtv/1007_20070822123000.nuv. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed

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MrSassyPants:

is this something I should be worried about?

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: touch /mythtv/1007_20070822123000.nuv

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sphery:

Just means that someone (you perhaps?) deleted the recording file using some mechanism other than Myth's delete recording mechanism.

[14:05:40]

juski:

or the recording didn't exist in the first place :D

[14:05:58]

MilkBoy:

Dagmar: mmmm... watch out so the redirection thingie does not backfire on you somehow

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sphery:

Or you have an offline filesystem

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sphery:

or what juski said

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Ryushin:

Dagmar: What an outstanding idea.

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Dagmar:

MilkBoy: For one thing, I'm not sending any mail.... they are

[14:11:27]

Dagmar:

For the other, I'm pretty sure my loghost has enough disk

[14:11:55]

Dagmar:

After some quick math, if this were left unattended for about 73 days (and logrotate somehow didn't kick in in that amount of time) I might run low on disk for /var/log

[14:12:46]

MilkBoy:

Dagmar: mmmmm... In certain parts of the world you could get sued for creating unwanted traffic on the spamhost :P

[14:13:31]

MrSassyPants:

alright, this is about the situation I have now: I seem to have the same channels multiple times, sometimes with epg data, sometimes without

[14:14:09]

MrSassyPants:

what's the most comfortable way to manage the channels, i.e. sort out double channels and prefer the ones with epg data?

[14:14:21]

MrSassyPants:

is there a "delete all channels" button?

[14:14:38]

MrSassyPants:

(I could start over and reinsert the epg/vbi files)

[14:14:44]

sphery:

Ryushin: must you poll the server to get word of when it's reopened? There will be an announcement before the cut-off date.

[14:15:21]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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drindt:

i get since some minutes along these messages on my screen by compiling the 0.20 branch http://phpfi.com/258157

[14:21:39]

Dagmar:

Use 0.20-fixes from SVN for one thing

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Dagmar:

I guess that's it from looking at the dirname

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Dagmar:

Complain to whoever set up the portage entry

[14:22:34]

Ryushin:

sphery: It's open now. But they are only allowing a 100 accounts at a time. First come, first served.

[14:24:03]

sphery:

OK. Guess that means you won't need to poll the server. :) Just thought it would be a waste of bandwidth for SD.

[14:24:43]

sphery:

Oh, you're not saying that they've got it open for the next 100...

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Ryushin:

Oh, I'm polling the server every five minutes until it opens up it's next batch. And I'm only polling while my laptop is open and I'm doing work.

[14:24:56]

sphery:

Anyway, I still thnk it's a waste of bandwidth.

[14:25:29]

sphery:

You'll definitely get a chance to sign up before the end of Z2L data

[14:25:30]

Ryushin:

It's just text. I'm not pulling any graphics or such.

[14:25:51]

GreyFoxx:

it was openned twice

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GreyFoxx:

300 users in the beta

[14:26:30]

GreyFoxx:

there is no more planned until the final openning

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drindt:

Dagmar: iam using this

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sphery:

So polling is definitely a waste of bandwidth. ;)

[14:28:06]

MrSassyPants:

Alright, now I've got two things: I don't seem to be seeing all channels at any one time in the epg, and I can't switch channels from within the epg view

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: did you follow the insructions in the post I gave you

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sphery:

i.e. Delete all video sources?

[14:28:34]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, delete all sources

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Dagmar:

how large of a screen do you have that you think you're going to see all the channels at once?

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MrSassyPants:

Dagmar, I can scroll around

[14:29:02]

MrSassyPants:

Dagmar, if I can scroll I expect to be able to scroll to all channels eventually

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: So you're saying that some channels just don't appear?

[14:29:06]

MrSassyPants:

this is not what's happening

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, yep

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, but only in epg

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sphery:

EPG is "filtered" to remove duplicate channels.

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sphery:

You specify a channel is s duplicate by assigning it the same channel number and callsign

[14:30:32]

sphery:

If you have any two channels with the same channel number and callsign, 0.20-fixes and below will ignore one copy.

[14:31:10]

sphery:

(trunk will actually notice that the listings are different--when they are--and show both in spite of your system's being misconfigured)

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sphery:

So, do you have multiple channels with the same channel number and callsign?

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dburr:

Hi all. Does anyone know of any icons for mytharchvie?

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sphery:

dburr: I'd bet some/all of juski's themes have them (assuming you mean for the Myth menus).

[14:35:56]

mkrufky:

I'm looking for somebody with one of the following boards to run a quick test for me: bttv: 3Dfx VoodooTV FM (Euro) , VoodooTV 200 (USA); cx88: MSI TV-@nywhere Master, MSI TV-@nywhere; saa7134: Pinnacle PCTV Stereo, Pinnacle PCTV 300i DVB-T + PAL ..... anybody?

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sphery:

(I don't use MythArchive, though I do use juski's themes, so I've never paid attention)

[14:36:40]

dburr:

sphery: Yes, I do mean the myth menus and I use the blue theme. No icons for MythArchive. I tried looking in the default theme and couldn't find any there either

[14:37:37]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, there actually are channels that have the identical callsign

[14:37:46]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, for example ORF2 exists twice

[14:37:55]

MrSassyPants:

I mean, *really* exists twice

[14:37:56]

drindt:

iam using gentoo linux and try to install mythtv from the "release-0-20-fixes" and i get this output: http://phpfi.com/258159 the last lines you can see a lot of them repeat so much that i cant paste all. seems to be a countinous loop?

[14:38:03]

MrSassyPants:

I have no clue what myth is actually doing there

[14:38:17]

sphery:

dburr: try juski's themes. http://juski.co.uk/ (You'll probably want to just switch to them once you see how much better they are :)

[14:38:23]

Dagmar:

drindt: Like I said earlier, that's a problem with portage

[14:38:40]

drindt:

Dagmar: sorry i didn't noticed, what is to do?

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juski:

dburr: I need to get around to making/getting new icons for the 'official' themes

[14:39:14]

Dagmar:

drindt: Ask in #Gentoo

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: sorry. I can't answer here because I don't know the answer.

[14:39:24]

sphery:

oops

[14:39:28]

sphery:

that was for drindt

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MrSassyPants:

drindt, try a different ebuild

[14:39:51]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: the channels are only removed from the display if /both/ the callsign and the channel number are the same

[14:39:57]

sphery:

If either differs, the channel is shown.

[14:39:57]

drindt:

Dagmar: so i should use a newer ebuild?

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, wtf is a channel number

[14:40:21]

sphery:

the number you type in to change to that channel in LiveTV

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sphery:

(and nothing more than that--it's just for your own use)

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juski:

it can be the 'traditional' number of the channel too if you like

[14:40:51]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, I still haven't found a way to give the channels appropriate numbering

[14:41:03]

sphery:

So, in the channel editor (using MythWeb's channel editor lets you see all channels), you can see the channel nummbers.

[14:41:13]

juski:

this is the part I mentioned earlier about not all grabbers providing channel numbers

[14:41:13]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, last time I checked they were numbered something like SE21–27, S25 etc

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juski:

MrSassyPants: they're *frequencies* not channel numbers

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Cardoe:

drindt: which ebuild?

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sphery:

juski: right, and often it makes sense to make it the same as the freqid, but it's not required

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juski:

a channel number is an integer

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juski:

it's hard to enter SE27 with a numeric keypad

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sphery:

(Often, in US cable systems, "traditional" channel numbers are ignored--i.e. here, Fox 35 is put on channel 2 or 3 or soemthing)

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drindt:

Cardoe: media-tv/mythtv-0.20.1_p14146

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MrSassyPants:

juski, I have the actual mysql commands in front of me

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MrSassyPants:

mysql -h dabserver.local -umythuser -pblahblah mythconverg -e "INSERT INTO channel (chanid, channum, freqid, sourceid, callsign, name, xmltvid, tvformat) VALUES (1, 'CH1', 'SE3', 1, 'ORF2', 'ORF 2', 'CNI0AC2', 'PAL');"

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Cardoe:

drindt: pastebin your emerge --info

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MrSassyPants:

mysql -h dabserver.local -umythuser -pblahblah mythconverg -e "INSERT INTO channel (chanid, channum, freqid, sourceid, callsign, name, xmltvid, tvformat) VALUES (38, 'CH38', '34', 1, 'ORF2', 'ORF 2', 'CNI0AC2', 'PAL');"

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juski:

in the UK, 1 is traditionally BBC1, 2 is BBC2, 3 is ITV1, 4 is channel 4, etc

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** sphery is glad that juski recognized SE21–27 **

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MrSassyPants:

so CH1 / CH38 are the channel numbers

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drindt:

Cardoe: please take a look here: http://phpfi.com/258170

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juski:

wth is it putting letters into the channum field for?!

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juski:

that's just pissed

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MrSassyPants:

don't ask me

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: I'm assuming that you're pulling those SQL statements from a Myth log file.

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sphery:

If note, don't use manual SQL statements to configure channels.

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MrSassyPants:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NexTView_Import <- ask that

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defaultro:

hey folks, how are you going to update your channels after zap2it goes away?

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, no these are the actual mysql commands

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laga:

defaultro: schedules direct?

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juski:

unless there's something about chanid being a primary key & thus is only auto-generated

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sphery:

There's the problem... You're not using the Myth-provided mechanisms for creating channels.

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MrSassyPants:

I changed the script so I can instead put them into a file and execute manually

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defaultro:

laga, there is a fee for that. Are there other alternatives?

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juski:

here comes yet another whine about SD

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Cardoe:

drindt: how much HD space do you have left?

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laga:

YAY

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gbee:

defaultro: sure, buy a tv guide and type the information

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sphery:

You may be able to edit the data and make it work but you'll probably have to do a lot of reading of hte source to find all the requirements of the data.

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defaultro:

hahaha

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defaultro:

so there isn't any anymore then

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sphery:

defaultro: may find that newspapers are more economical--you get value added stories.

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drindt:

Cardoe: http://phpfi.com/258171 but should enough please notice that portage works over nfs and have enough space

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, wtf myth provided mechanisms

[14:46:31]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, myth doesn't have the mechanisms I need

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sphery:

defaultro: all the projects working on "free-of-charge" listings may have legal issues

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defaultro:

gotcha

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gbee:

re NexTView script – why on earth can't people just write a proper xmltv grabber instead of a solution involving sticky tape, a length of old string and tissue paper?

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Cardoe:

drindt: it's something to do with time.. your time might not be in sync

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Cardoe:

drindt: or locking

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defaultro:

so the thing I am thinking might have legal issues too. What if I keep it to myself only?

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Cardoe:

drindt: since the make system thinks that the Makefile is either not created or out of date.

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juski:

gbee: the whole idea is that the script IS the grabber

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gbee:

defaultro: that's your lookout

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juski:

it's the import script which is pissed I reckon

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: I don't know specifically how to do channels config in non-US areas (UK?), but Myth has a channel scanner and a channel editor and a "fetch channels from listings provider"

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defaultro:

k

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drindt:

Cardoe: but it is all ntpd running on with same timeservers

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Cardoe:

drindt: well it's an nfs issue

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sphery:

defaultro: whatever you decide, we don't want to know about it :)

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Cardoe:

drindt: if you took nfs off /var/tmp

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Cardoe:

drindt: it'd work

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, "fetch channels from listings provider" – wtf is that?

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Cardoe:

drindt: do you have locking setup on nfs?

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defaultro:

you won't know it because like what I said earlier, i will keep it myself

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gbee:

juski: yeah, but with no extra effort they could have written a proper complient xmltv grabber which would *just work*

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, I was already wondering about that function because it never seemed to do anything when I clicked it

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defaultro:

but if it's a lot of work, I might just pay

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drindt:

Cardoe: oh i see the time is 2 hours in past

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Cardoe:

drindt: bingo

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juski:

MrSassyPants: if supported by the grabber, it gets a channel lineup from the grabber & puts it into mythtv

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drindt:

Cardoe: dont know why but will look thanks man

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: I'm thinking that may not be so useful for non-US/non-Canadian users

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juski:

it's really only for DD users

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, thats what I'm thinking too

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Cardoe:

drindt: make sure your timezone settings are correct and try to run ntp-client

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juski:

and now, SD users ;)

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, in fact, I have selected "no grabber" because that's what I have

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gbee:

pretty much useless for digital and hardly better for analogue

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, the only thing available to me is direct mysql injection of externally compiled data

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sphery:

Might want to share your approach with defaultro :)

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juski:

ugh.. is that what the script is doing?! ARGHHHHHHHHHHH! STOP!

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defaultro:

that's what am doing. I'm going to profile mythfilldatabase soon

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sphery:

I.e. typng in the data

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MrSassyPants:

juski, I stopped the script long ago

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, slightly better than that but not by much

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juski:

the people who made that script should be stopped, I mean

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: have you tried a channel scan?

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MrSassyPants:

juski, the people who made the entire wiki article should be shot

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juski:

that's the problem with wikis. any fecker can edit them

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, of course. But this doesn't solve my other problem "Channel names"

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juski:

that's the great thing about wikis too btw

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defaultro:

bam MrSassyPants. You hit the nail right on the head

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juski:

MrSassyPants: how many channels are we talking about here?

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juski:

consider the fact you'll only realistically need to do this once

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: It's not very great for analog users, but works well for digital users.

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MrSassyPants:

juski, 40. That's not the problem. for epg to work (actually *know* the channels) I can't just use any name

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juski:

MrSassyPants: you can use ANY name you want with xmltv so long as the xmltvid matches up

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: edit the channels with the mythtv-setup or MythWeb channel editor

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juski:

deciding not to use mythfilldatabase is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today

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MrSassyPants:

CNI0AC2 <- this being the xmltvid

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MrSassyPants:

which I can't enter manually

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juski:

MrSassyPants: course you can

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MrSassyPants:

where?

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MrSassyPants:

sec

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juski:

with mythweb or in mythtv's channel editor (E in livetv mode)

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juski:

or in mythtv-setup

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sphery:

juski: doesn't E in livetv only work in trunk?

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MrSassyPants:

well, not sensibly :/

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: If you're not using XMLTV, you can use any unique value for xmltvid

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juski:

or with mysql like update channel SET xmltvid="foo" WHERE NAME="bar";

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MrSassyPants:

sphery, I am using xmltv

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MrSassyPants:

mysql -h dabserver.local -umythuser -pblahblah mythconverg -e "INSERT INTO channel (chanid, channum, freqid, sourceid, callsign, name, xmltvid, tvformat) VALUES (38, 'CH38', '34', 1, 'ORF2', 'ORF 2', 'CNI0AC2', 'PAL');" <- or like this

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MrSassyPants:

which is script generated from scantv output

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juski:

taht's crazy

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MrSassyPants:

and combined with the listing

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MrSassyPants:

yes it is

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MrSassyPants:

and probably very problematic

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sphery:

meeting... gotta go. Good luck, but with xmltv, you should use mythfilldatabase once you get channels.

[14:56:17]

juski:

another trick they've missed is making a X.xmltv file in ~/.mythtv where 'X' is the name of your 'video source'

[14:57:09]

juski:

they need a good kick up the arse whoever they are. it's kinda nice there's *something* out there to use, but for it to be that messed up, is there really much point?

[14:57:54]

juski:

and defaultro – keeping it all to yourself – now there's community spirit for ya :-(

[14:59:01]

juski:

MrSassyPants: so does the actual nexttv script thing output a real xmltv file which you import into mythfilldatabase with the --file option?

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MrSassyPants:

what nexttv script

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MrSassyPants:

nxtvepg does output a real xml file

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MrSassyPants:

its not a script, its a full blown app

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juski:

ah right

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MrSassyPants:

that uses the framegrabber and all

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juski:

script/app/whatever ;)

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MrSassyPants:

and scantv is an xawtv tool

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juski:

so the idea is that when it's done you use mythfilldatabase --file foo.xml ?

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MrSassyPants:

sort of

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MrSassyPants:

but then you've got the problem that you've got a tv programming, but completely unrelated to your actual tv channels

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juski:

there are only 40 channels – shouldn't take long to get it all lines up

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juski:

*lined up

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juski:

then back up the database nice & snug

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MrSassyPants:

yeah I'm working on it

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juski:

the other issue you're possibly gonna have is if mythbackend is running 24/7, it'll be hogging the framegrabber

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juski:

thus making it unusable with the epg app

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juski:

unless it just sits & listens to the vbi data output.. I dunno that much about framegrabbers – well not the VBI data part

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MrSassyPants:

man cut

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** MrSassyPants is going to hurt **

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juski:

bah looks like you'll have to stop mythbackend to run the grabber

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juski:

or get another tuner card ;)

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MrSassyPants:

do they even sell bt848s these days?

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GreyFoxx:

You can still buy them :)

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juski:

people do, crazy folks

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MrSassyPants:

on ebay with a 2 inch layer of dust on them :p

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dburr:

I have one on my desk in front of me – covered in dust

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gbee:

dburr: are you near a window?

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juski:

or a fire?

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dburr:

gbee: Sorry, no windows (boom tish)

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gbee:

heh

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gbee:

juski: effective, but possibly toxic ;)

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dburr:

Does anyone here know about the QUERY_RECORDING command?

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gbee:

I know it exists

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dburr:

I want to burn recordings using MythArchive on the frontend

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dburr:

MythArchive refuses because all of the recordings are remote

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gbee:

but I'd take a look at programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp if you want to know more

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dburr:

The reason why it thinks that is because QUERY_RECORDING actually appends the myth://<hostname>/<filename>.mpg

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gbee:

dburr: check that you haven't got the 'always stream from backend' setting enabled

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dburr:

I am sure that there must be a way to pass a mountpoint through to the QUERY_RECORDING command so that it returns the file directly

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gbee:

I've no idea if that will help, but seems like it should

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dburr:

gbee: I thought I checked that, but will check again

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juski:

so just mount the recoding dir over nfs :)

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juski:

to the same 'local' location of course I mean

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gbee:

any wikiphiles here?

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juski:

they should all be locked up

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juski:

oh WIKIphiles! i see ;)

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gbee:

no, them as well

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juski:

our CEO is one

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gbee:

;)

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dburr:

juski: That's exactly what I want

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dburr:

gbee: Double checked, 'always stream' is not checked

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dburr:

But I don't know how the specify the mountpoint

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gbee:

I can't seem to find any information on marking a recording for deletion (would be easier if I could just delete it directly but I'm not a wiki admin)

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dburr:

Thought that the code would help... but can't see how it could happen in MainServer::HandleQueryRecordings

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juski:

well, whatever the recordings dir is, export it with nfs, then mount to the same dir on the remote box. e.g. on the BE you have /myth/tv – mount it to /myth/tv on the frontend

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gbee:

by this point I've spent so long trying to find out how it's done that I really don't even care if the page gets deleted anymore

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dburr:

juski: But won't QUERY_RECORDINGS still return the myth:// streaming URL?

[15:29:02]

juski:

why even bother? just work around it :)

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juski:

sorry I'm just lazy

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dburr:

I don't understand how your workaround is supposed to work though... MythArchive will bomb out before trying to check if the files exist on disk when it finds that all the returned results start with myth://

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MrSassyPants:

Alright I think I'm beginning to understand the probllem

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MrSassyPants:

The problem is that scantv produces VBI-based channel names, and these do not necessarily match the nxtvepg-generated channel names

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MrSassyPants:

the nextvepg-generated data is going to be updated regularly

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MrSassyPants:

so I need to change the scantv based channel names to match the nxtvepg names

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juski:

it doesn't matter what your channels are called if you use mythfilldatabase because it only inserts channel data for a given xmltvid where the channel has *that* xmltvid :)

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MrSassyPants:

juski, the channel's name is important for the script

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MrSassyPants:

because that's how it determines what frequency = what channel name = what xmltvid

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juski:

ah I see now

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MrSassyPants:

actually I need to change cnilist

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmm I should pop one of my bt cards into a box and see what that app would see from here

[15:36:32]

GreyFoxx:

I know they transmit something as guide+ TV's get something off the wire for at lesat 24 hours of data

[15:37:45]

** mkrufky wants to be user #301 ... who should i kiss up to? **

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mkrufky:

:-P

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mkrufky:

(i dont expect an answer)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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gbee:

send some cash my way

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mkrufky:

if that's what it takes, then sure

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mkrufky:

i'm going to be moving during september – october... i'm thinking of deploying my backend in my parents house in the meanwhile, lol .... dont wanna miss any recordings

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gbee:

I make no guarentees because I've no connection with SD at all, but it could increase your karma and then who knows how you might be rewarded ;)

[15:40:09]

mkrufky:

hahaha!

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mkrufky:

i think the fact that i write drivers increases my karma pretty much already

[15:40:52]

mkrufky:

...wait till the new stuff gets merged.... suddenly tons of new device support

[15:40:59]

mkrufky:

oh, FusionHDTV5 Express is almost ready

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mkrufky:

note: _almost_ ;-)

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gbee:

started writing a driver once but it got boring too quickly

[15:42:47]

mkrufky:

for what hardware, gbee?

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gbee:

mkrufky: webcam ;) project's still going and we've got good results but I'm not really involved in the code work anymore, just the admin

[15:44:21]

mkrufky:

ah

[15:44:38]

mkrufky:

yeah, webcams never really interested me much, so i dont blame u

[15:45:01]

mkrufky:

at least, when you're testing tv capture / DVB drivers, there is entertaining content to watch

[15:45:01]

gbee:

if it were something I might actually use, then I probably would have persisted

[15:45:11]

mkrufky:

yeah, i hear ya

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gbee:

I only initiated the project because my then new laptop came with the webcam embedded and it was the only device for which driver existed (or was being written)

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gbee:

s/which driver/which no driver/

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dburr:

I once spent a whole year writing a driver for a hi-speed camera, no docs, had to reverse engineer it. Then thee bastards released a driver for it :-(

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gbee:

heh

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gbee:

working on mythtv is more satisfying, more or less instant results and something that's actually useful

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mkrufky:

what hardware was used in that webcam, gbee? im just curious

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dburr:

Ah.. there is a local check performed by GetPlaybackURL when forceCheckLocal is true...

[15:54:10]

mkrufky:

(sorry for delay — im at work)

[15:55:22]

dburr:

Checks a StorageGround with FindRecordingFile

[15:56:41]

dburr:

Does anyone know what a StorageGroup is?

[15:57:02]

drindt:

can i copy pictures from my cam with myth on the myth box? or is that only for showing the pics?

[15:58:25]

MrSassyPants:

and now my question

[15:59:00]

MrSassyPants:

mysql -uuser -ppassword mythconverg -e "INSERT INTO channel (chanid, channum, freqid, sourceid, callsign, name, xmltvid, tvformat) VALUES (38, 'CH38', '34', 1, 'ORF2', 'ORF 2', 'CNI0AC2', 'PAL');" <- this

[15:59:24]

MrSassyPants:

is the "channum" field supposed to be an integer, or a "CH38" type affair?

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drindt:

MrSassyPants: did you look at the table structure? do a SHOW CREATE TABLE channel;

[16:00:34]

MrSassyPants:

`channum` varchar(10) NOT NULL default '',

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drindt:

MrSassyPants: thats a string with 10 chars lenght

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gbee:

mkrufky: the sensor varied, but they were all based on either the M5602 or M5603c chip

[16:01:43]

MrSassyPants:

drindt, which is really not helping me at all

[16:01:43]

gbee:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/m560x-driver/

[16:01:56]

drindt:

MrSassyPants: sorry i dont know what should be the summary here

[16:02:01]

drindt:

MrSassyPants: get me more details

[16:02:13]

MrSassyPants:

I'll ask in #mythtv-users

[16:02:18]

MrSassyPants:

er, #mythtv

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gbee:

http://m560x.x3ng.com/

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drindt:

how long needs the compilation of myth?

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iamlindoro:

exactly 2.3 hours. No more. No less.

[16:07:03]

iamlindoro:

if it's any more or less then your hardware is bad

[16:07:08]

iamlindoro:

and should be returned

[16:07:21]

drindt:

iamlindoro: hehe i only want a approximately value

[16:07:41]

drindt:

because it is running at the p4 here since a hour

[16:07:58]

iamlindoro:

If you still see stuff scrolling by then it's not broken

[16:08:25]

drindt:

iamlindoro: indeed? :)

[16:08:25]

iamlindoro:

And there's unfortunately no real approximate value since it could vary between, say, a Via Epia and a core 2 extreme

[16:08:30]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[16:09:02]

drindt:

iamlindoro: i had an p4 2.4ghz running for that currently

[16:09:05]

iamlindoro:

Really, though, if you still see text flying by then you're fine

[16:09:43]

drindt:

iamlindoro: i know

[16:09:45]

dburr:

Yay, it seems to be working. If anyone is interested in getting MythArchive to work on a slave, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Storage_Groups

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mkrufky:

gbee: (again, sorry for delay) ... i think that is supported now, right? the M5602 / M5603 name looks familiar

[16:15:01]

AntiStupidPeople:

Heh. Whups.

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gbee:

mkrufky: if someone was working on a parallel project and has it fully working, they forgot to tell us :)

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gbee:

the m5603c _driver_ is mostly working, but the m5602 isn't yet (I've got the m5602)

[16:18:25]

gbee:

we've done the reverse engineering part and can get pictures from devices based on both and a range of sensors

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gbee:

I lost interest somewhere around that point and I barely read the -dev list emails these days, so I'm really not sure what the exact status is now

[16:22:04]

mkrufky:

haha ok

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mkrufky:

ok, maybe not then... perhaps it looks familiar because i may have read about YOUR project

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bradd:

where is the setting to make myth use the internal player to play dvds? i cant for the life of me find it.

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jroysdon:

The mythtvideo plugin (?) allows me to set a password to access it. Is there a way to set a password on other menu items? For instance, the Manage Recordings menu...

[16:49:17]

jroysdon:

I see on the announcement board of forums.schedulesdirect.org that there was an opening for Beta testers... how did one sign up to become a beta tester?

[16:50:55]

Dagmar:

Too late

[16:50:59]

bradd:

i believe the beta was open to the first 300 subscribers then they closed down the registration

[16:51:09]

Dagmar:

If you look at the WEBSITE for schedulesdirect it says it's closed

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sphery:

MrSassyPants: Here is a much better place for those questions... Unless you're writing code to submit as a patch for mythtv, the dev channel isn't the right place.

[17:00:30]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: Anyway, the freqid is either the frequency identifier or frequency in kHz

[17:00:39]

MrSassyPants:

khz, alright

[17:00:45]

MrSassyPants:

I figured that out already :p

[17:01:29]

sphery:

MrSassyPants: However, since the frequency table for FREQ_CCIR_SL_SH is already defined, you /should/ be using the frequency identifier (SE1, etc.)

[17:01:37]

** mkrufky just got the RTC working on the FusionHDTV5 RT Gold!!!!! **

[17:01:53]

mkrufky:

now we can program the computer to turn on by itself before a scheduled recording!!!

[17:01:59]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, and mythtv SHOULD work out of the box

[17:02:11]

MrSassyPants:

sphery, and I SHOULD be right and famous (which I am, coincidentally)

[17:02:28]

sphery:

I didn't get a box with mine. Wonder if I should contact customer support. :)

[17:04:07]

sphery:

mkrufky: nice

[17:04:23]

mkrufky:

:-)

[17:04:32]

mkrufky:

the question .... do the mythtv devs care?

[17:04:49]

mkrufky:

there are _many_ fusionhdtv devices that have this capability

[17:05:07]

sphery:

there's already support for using automatic wakeup with the BIOS/system RTC

[17:05:14]

mkrufky:

oh?

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mkrufky:

hehe ok

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sphery:

I'd guess adding support for one more device type would be good.

[17:05:25]

mkrufky:

well, now there's another method

[17:05:31]

|Torg|:

but if your system is using the RTC on the box, why schedule wakeup based on another?

[17:05:42]

|Torg|:

at best you are looking at time desynch

[17:05:43]

sphery:

I think Paul H. is the guy to talk to... MythWelcome/MythShutdown stuff

[17:05:58]

mkrufky:

|Torg|: maybe not all machines have the capability on the motherboard?

[17:06:07]

sphery:

|Torg|: because perhaps the RTC on the system doesn't work...

[17:06:22]

sphery:

Lots of posts from users on the list that couldn't make theirs work.

[17:06:28]

|Torg|:

yes but if the system bios cant wakup how do you get a DVB card to do so?

[17:06:56]

|Torg|:

it still has to trigger the PCI bus (or whatever its attached to) and means the bios itslef has to have ACPI or other means of waking up

[17:07:07]

mkrufky:

|Torg|: because the PCI card has 2 cables, you intercept the power button to the motherboard connecting the PCI card in-between

[17:07:25]

sphery:

Sweet... BIOS-less

[17:07:26]

mkrufky:

|Torg|: so, when the RTC fires, it "pushes" the power button

[17:07:29]

|Torg|:

intersting, still however I would go with my own motherboard

[17:07:32]

mkrufky:

yes ... no bios required

[17:07:35]

** mkrufky so excited **

[17:07:55]

mkrufky:

no bios SUPPORT required, that is

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** sphery hates the broken BIOS's he's given that he can't fix **

[17:08:20]

sphery:

Where's that OpenBIOS...

[17:08:29]

|Torg|:

yes sphery I agree, its why I check the system out before I buy it

[17:08:52]

|Torg|:

its not that I discount what mkrufky did, its rather there are already systems in place to do just the same thing

[17:08:59]

mkrufky:

anyway, DViCO will be happy when i tell them

[17:09:06]

|Torg|:

and no technology, however fun or ned, sould be used to replace common sence

[17:09:08]

sphery:

I admit I don't research it...

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mkrufky:

|Torg|: i agree with you .... it's not *me* though — DViCO designed the board :-P

[17:10:36]

|Torg|:

no mkrufky I didnt think its your fault, in fact I think its pretty cool you did so

[17:10:53]

|Torg|:

ESP if that RTC is more stable then some of the systems I have

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mkrufky:

well, right now im still just playing with it remotely .... when i get home i'll actually hook up the power button intercept

[17:13:11]

|Torg|:

it also would have the benefit of not having to reboot a box every time you wrote the walkup time

[17:13:21]

|Torg|:

its somewhat anoying, but it works

[17:13:28]

mkrufky:

yes

[17:14:13]

|Torg|:

Ive been playing with linuxbios but so far can not make a workable system config for my BE

[17:14:34]

|Torg|:

its purpose however is speed to boot, not RTC Wakeup

[17:19:37]

mkrufky:

hmm, maybe that rtc isnt wired for wakeup capability?>

[17:20:04]

mkrufky:

many of those rtc's have 'alarm' functionality, but the result of the alarm depends on how things are wired

[17:20:07]

|Torg|:

its actualy bios is wires to remote power

[17:20:18]

mkrufky:

ah, ok, so in that care, yes

[17:20:23]

mkrufky:

s/care/case

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|Torg|:

the RTC has to have an alarm (I dont know of any that dont) and the bios has to be able to listen for that alarm and send the apropraite power command

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mkrufky:

yeah

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mkrufky:

yeah, i dont know why i said "many of "

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mkrufky:

i should have said "all of"

[17:23:55]

juski:

so I'm not the only person out there wishing & hoping for 'instant-on' machines then

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|Torg|:

linuxbiios or equive with kernel image in bios

[17:24:27]

|Torg|:

asie from solid state disk thats about as fast as I can get

[17:24:47]

juski:

there has to be a better way

[17:24:53]

|Torg|:

faster bios?

[17:25:10]

|Torg|:

I have a rotuer that boots of CF disk, linux in about 15 seconds

[17:25:16]

juski:

actually come to think of it, my cable STB is about the slowest thing to boot I've ever seen

[17:25:22]

|Torg|:

its mostly a factor of slow memory + slower disk

[17:25:49]

mkrufky:

doesnt the cable STB also download all of its program schedule data all over again after a cold reset?

[17:25:49]

|Torg|:

relacing your boot device with memory will save you about 90%

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juski:

other than load programmable logic & initialise some chips (dunno if they do, but it's possible) what does a BIOS actually do?

[17:26:23]

|Torg|:

if you can boot from USB that would be better

[17:26:39]

|Torg|:

BIOS usualy checks hardware, then starts from the device you tell it to

[17:26:45]

juski:

USB isn't always faster. I can think of at least one motherboard where it's slower than anything

[17:26:54]

|Torg|:

in the case of a disk it reads track 0 secotor 0 and lets that go from there

[17:27:13]

|Torg|:

its why a dd if=/boot/kenel of /dev/whatever works

[17:27:22]

|Torg|:

err of=

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juski:

but even with seek & read times of HDDs there's not *that* much to do surely

[17:27:39]

|Torg|:

its seak and access time

[17:27:57]

juski:

can't take long to read a kernel though

[17:28:07]

|Torg|:

access time, from I ask for it to it is in my memory is teribble for IDE disks

[17:28:18]

|Torg|:

watch it boot, you load in lilo say and then see dots

[17:28:27]

|Torg|:

those dots represnt lilo reading in the kernel

[17:28:37]

juski:

wow, that's bad

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juski:

but I guess lilo doesn't do anything fancy like DMA – I supose nothing fast like that can be done til proper drivers have been loaded

[17:29:03]

mkrufky:

i use a CF IDE adapter, and bootup is rather quick

[17:29:04]

|Torg|:

typical boot is power on, bios read, bios run, HDD read, lilo run, lilo boot, read kernel, kernel run, run init, init run, flip root, rc run

[17:29:15]

|Torg|:

its really read isk, read disk, read disk and go

[17:29:39]

|Torg|:

take initrd and pop it on a CF disk with the kernel and you can save off at leat 3/4 of your boot time

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|Torg|:

lilo does DMA

[17:30:12]

|Torg|:

still you have to read lilo off the disk

[17:30:29]

juski:

I've always been sitting there thinking "come on, wtf are you doing already?!". how long does it take to read a few megs? ;)

[17:31:07]

|Torg|:

usualy its not the reading but things like load up apache, ok go on read conf.d, ok check to see if its sane, ok are you done yet.....lets got o sendmail, repeat

[17:31:20]

juski:

maybe it's about time I started experimenting with CF then

[17:31:30]

|Torg|:

CF is really great

[17:31:34]

|Torg|:

barring that try USB

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juski:

USB is painfully slow on my motherboard allegedly

[17:31:57]

juski:

nobody knows why

[17:31:59]

|Torg|:

USB is painfuilly slow, which is why I said try CF :P

[17:32:20]

juski:

a 32MB CF will be more than enough for a kernel & bootloader

[17:32:40]

|Torg|:

USB buses are usualy 3 steps off the main, so its like trying to suck the ocean though a straw

[17:32:50]

mkrufky:

4 MB is more than enough, usually

[17:33:10]

|Torg|:

usb read, usb controler, usb controler talks to pci, pci controler takes to bridge, bridge taks to interupt controler, interupt controler talks to cpu

[17:33:15]

juski:

still, it'd be pretty awesome to one day have real instant-on

[17:33:28]

juski:

like say, a DVD player

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|Torg|:

instant isnt exactly true, but damn fast is

[17:33:35]

|Torg|:

of course that opionion

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juski:

yeah ok, give or take a couple of hundred ms

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|Torg|:

DVD players do it by loading in the OS (well its firmware but you get the idea) off some chip

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juski:

though I've read that these new BD & HD-DVD players are awful

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|Torg|:

speed of memory, write onece is faster the rewite is the factor

[17:34:25]

|Torg|:

goo look at a cisco router to get an idea

[17:34:39]

|Torg|:

more stuff to load, longer it takes

[17:34:50]

juski:

oh I know the longest time an embedded device can take to boot is how fast you can read from flash & put it into ram

[17:35:22]

|Torg|:

most modern compuers do hardly anything but wait

[17:35:30]

|Torg|:

wait for memrory, wait for disk, wait for data

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|Torg|:

they really dont do allot of computation, that part is srta hidden from you

[17:35:49]

juski:

the eternal bottleneck eh

[17:36:30]

|Torg|:

its why updaing memory in a desktop gives such dramtic performance increases

[17:36:54]

|Torg|:

its why my wife thinks my sunblade2000 is so damn fast, even if it is nearly 10 years old

[17:37:11]

juski:

I guess it's a big trade-off between perceived startup time & what the device can actually usefully do too. take those embedded media player things as an example – they're pretty much instant-on but they really do suck at being nice to look at

[17:37:29]

|Torg|:

yes, its why myth is slower then say mplayer

[17:37:35]

|Torg|:

more stuff, more data, more routines

[17:37:48]

|Torg|:

more "features" slower execution, more memory it takes

[17:37:55]

|Torg|:

thats sorta simplistic however

[17:38:08]

juski:

there's a lot of cruft to come out of there still- like caching hundreds of OSD fonts before starting playback – stuff people who don't use ATSC don't even need

[17:38:45]

|Torg|:

hell id be happy if it could just switch dvb inputs faster :)

[17:38:50]

juski:

the XBMC linux port guys have set themselves an unenviable goal

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juski:

for now it's just an app, but their mission is to one day have a complete setup – kinda like a dedicated distro but streamlined to the very bare essentials

[17:39:56]

|Torg|:

its mostly a product of code bloat

[17:40:13]

|Torg|:

knoppmyth?

[17:40:18]

juski:

yeah if somebody were to sit down & write it all again it'd be a whole other different story

[17:40:39]

juski:

but that's one hell of a lot of work to put down the toilet

[17:41:07]

|Torg|:

yes, you would need one person to go over ALL the code, take it ALL in, evaluate what it did then optomise its programming

[17:41:30]

|Torg|:

the compiler TRIES to do it somwhat and is somewhat effective, but mostly its takes origional code

[17:41:48]

juski:

you can pare down a full mythtv install to well under 256MB. minimyth is a good example of that

[17:41:48]

|Torg|:

I can show you some of the performace tuning graphs I use in sales, its mostly true

[17:42:06]

|Torg|:

<1% is hardware, 1% is firmware, and 100% is bad code

[17:42:11]

juski:

I've yet to succeed in making my own though

[17:42:12]

|Torg|:

its a typical pyramid

[17:42:22]

floppyears:

so I'm thinking about building an extra mythtv box

[17:42:30]

|Torg|:

ive speeded up myth SOME, not much by tuning mysql

[17:42:31]

juski:

some of that 100% is pointless but pretty graphics ;)

[17:42:33]

jams:

juski- is that with or without the plugins

[17:42:41]

juski:

jams: with most of the plugins

[17:42:59]

juski:

mythmusic, mythvideo, mythweather, mythnews, mythstream, mythgallery, mythgame...

[17:43:11]

floppyears:

will the following specs be enough for a frotend: 40GB hd, 1GB ram, geforce 5200fx, and cheap wintv tuner ?

[17:43:23]

|Torg|:

mostly myth dosnt use mysql very much so even if I cut 99% of the mysql speed it would only effect abotu 5% of myth speed

[17:43:25]

floppyears:

how much cpu power is required for a frontend like this ?

[17:43:27]

juski:

floppyears: why would you need a tuner onthe frontend?

[17:43:41]

floppyears:

juski: I have an extra laying around that I need to use ?

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juski:

anything with a tuner by definition is a backend ;)

[17:43:50]

floppyears:

juski: oh

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|Torg|:

floppyears what are you planning on playing on it, and you dont need a tuner in it at all

[17:44:13]

floppyears:

I'd like to watch live-tv and some tv recordings

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juski:

if you plan to use a card to capture a console to play games through the mythtv box, THEN a tuner is handy

[17:44:29]

|Torg|:

live tv as in what, HD, ATSC? cable? analog?

[17:44:41]

juski:

but don't let mythtv use it – the lag between recording live & playing it back would make it useless for games ;)

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floppyears:

sorry, cable sd live tv

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juski:

1Ghz or so is enough

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|Torg|:

1.5Ghz if you put that card in it

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|Torg|:

and it will be a FE/BE box

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juski:

my 800Mhz AMD box can play SDTV mpeg2 with cycles to spare. we had 3 frontends (including itself) running off it at LRL

[17:46:05]

|Torg|:

juski with three video outputs?

[17:46:12]

juski:

it was serving livetv & recordings to 2 frontends and playing back content locally

[17:46:16]

X2B:

Hey everyone, is there a specific german mythtv-users channel??

[17:46:21]

floppyears:

LRL ?

[17:46:23]

juski:

X2B: #mythtv-de

[17:46:30]

juski:

floppyears: LUGRadioLive

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floppyears:

oh

[17:47:11]

juski:

a live event for fans of the podcast radio show to bathe in the glory of the hosts :-\

[17:47:11]

floppyears:

how do you guys connect frontend & backends ? firewire, cat6, 802.11n ?

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juski:

100mbit

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juski:

only cos that's all I've got here – I'm not sure I'd be happy with wireless

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|Torg|:

GiGE

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juski:

and firewire networking – er.. you can't go for much distance with that

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|Torg|:

specifcly over cat 5e, not cat 6

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JoeyJoeJo:

how fast does 802.11n go?

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juski:

as fast as local conditions allow ;)

[17:48:55]

juski:

YMMV

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|Torg|:

does or can?

[17:50:05]

|Torg|:

do you own a refirederator, florescent lights or anything else with an AC motor? how about cordless phones? Are all your speaker wires isolated?

[17:50:15]

juski:

do you have a dog?

[17:50:30]

** floppyears has 4 puppies **

[17:50:33]

juski:

cordless phone? live near anybody who rides a scooter/moped ?

[17:50:56]

|Torg|:

baby monitors? negihbors?

[17:50:57]

juski:

live next door to somebody with a wireless network? ;)

[17:51:08]

juski:

near a cell tower?

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|Torg|:

juski, shhh thats by backup netowrk plan :P

[17:51:43]

juski:

I've seen a few hacks who used to be total wireless nuts are now extolling the virtues of going wired if possible

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|Torg|:

wirless is what I used before I ran my wires

[17:52:13]

|Torg|:

now its simply to use the laptop by the pool

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juski:

the freedom of wireless must be cool for wandering around with a laptop/pda & doing stuff – but from what I hear it just can't be relied upon – certainly not enough for my expectations of having a network which is always there when I want it

[17:53:03]

|Torg|:

forget watching ATSC over 802.11g

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juski:

yeah it's a pigging hassle to drag cat5/6 cable around the house, but you only need do it once if you do it right ;)

[17:53:29]

|Torg|:

mostly its ssh to the mythboxes and maybe look at mythweb, not stream just look

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|Torg|:

aa juski thats why we have the non eglish speeking residents who hang out at home depot (DIY stores)

[17:54:22]

JoeyJoeJo:

is cat6 just for gigabit ethernet?

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|Torg|:

esp to go up into my hot damn attic

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|Torg|:

cat5e works too

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juski:

you can use cat6 for 10mbit if you want

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|Torg|:

of course that 10Mb switch will cost you a bit

[17:55:18]

JoeyJoeJo:

ok, I wasn't sure.. so is it just 4 pair with extra shielding?

[17:55:26]

juski:

it's a bit like putting super petrol in a lawnmower though ;)

[17:56:13]

|Torg|:

JoeyJoeJo go get a nice spool of cat5e, trop two or more drops to every room (even those you dont think need it) and be done with it

[17:56:37]

|Torg|:

its now in every room of my house (yes the garage, yes the kitchen, no I dont use them) except the bathroom

[17:56:47]

|Torg|:

and sometimes I wonder why I didnt put it in the bathroom as well

[17:56:56]

|Torg|:

you can use it for phones too, in fact it works great

[17:58:47]

GreyFoxx:

I wired my last house coax and ethernet to every room. now that I've moved I have to do it all over again :)

[17:58:52]

borga2:

Anyone knows how I can edit the "settings" table, I've got a problem when I run mythfilldatabase.

[17:58:55]

GreyFoxx:

cause wireless is teh suck

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|Torg|:

borga2 do you mean directly as in INSERT into 'settings' ....

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx im also waiting for the day I have to rip all mine out and put in fiber

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borga2:

Yes kind of, it seems that it's not able to insert data into the tabel. So I thought I would try manualy (using mysql-query-browser)

[18:01:04]

|Torg|:

if mythfilldatabse cant insert into mythconverg you have other problems as well

[18:01:14]

|Torg|:

you can use mythweb to edit the table, be sure to read the warning tho

[18:01:32]

borga2:

Yes but not the settings table

[18:01:37]

|Torg|:

or if your hardcore a simple mysql mythconverg will do, assuming you have rights to talk to the database

[18:01:56]

borga2:

I can edit channels tabel, but not settings?!

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|Torg|:

why sould you want mythfilldatabse to edit the settings?

[18:02:25]

|Torg|:

it holds startup values for the FE and BE and modifies thier behavir

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borga2:

Just an idea from me about the problem, in that field it should be a date but instead it states: Failed xmltv returned error 2

[18:06:02]

borga2:

I did remove all configs in mythtv-setup and recreated all. And I have an xmltv file but alas, it doesn't work....

[18:06:59]

borga2:

mythfilldatabase -v database gives this row among others:2007-08–23 18:40:20.817 MSqlQuery: UPDATE settings SET data ='FAILED: xmltv returned error code 512.' WHERE value='mythfilldatabaseLastRunStatus'

[18:08:27]

|Torg|:

is it posible myth is looking for your xml file other then where you put it?

[18:08:46]

|Torg|:

are you running the BE as a user other then root?

[18:09:01]

borga2:

I thought of that, but if I rename it it complains that it can't find it.

[18:09:08]

|Torg|:

is the file in /root/.mythtv and the BE is looking in ~/.mythtv?

[18:09:14]

borga2:

Yes as a user

[18:09:41]

borga2:

yes in ~/.mythtv

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|Torg|:

I bleive 512 means file does not exist

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borga2:

which file then?!

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|Torg|:

I dont know what xml grabber you are using, so I dont know what its looking for

[18:11:03]

borga2:

tv_grab_se_swedb

[18:11:22]

|Torg|:

I dont use a xmlgrabber, what file does that script look for?

[18:12:27]

borga2:

that1 queries a server for information, so no local file. But it creates one if I run it with configure

[18:12:48]

|Torg|:

su to the user you run the BE as and try it

[18:13:45]

|Torg|:

looks like it goes in ~/.xmltv/cache

[18:14:40]

borga2:

a couple of data files

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borga2:

mythfilldatabase --manual doesn't ask any questions either?!

[18:15:53]

borga2:

Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/bin/tv_grab_se_swedb line 174.

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|Torg|:

looks like its looking for channels, ill assume you did a configure and told it what channels you wanted

[18:17:47]

CB1271B:

motd

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borga2:

Yes, I'm not that good with perl. But I assume that the row it complains about wants a date and not the error code!

[18:18:21]

borga2:

count => $opt->{days} * @{$conf->{channel}},

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borga2:

}) if (not $opt->{quiet}) && (not $opt->{debug});

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CB1271B:

x

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|Torg|:

both days and channel are settings you setup with --configure

[18:19:43]

|Torg|:

I dont run the script so I dont really know

[18:19:54]

|Torg|:

but afaik perl thats what it looks like its doing

[18:20:04]

|Torg|:

if you failed to define those, it would cause those errors

[18:20:54]

|Torg|:

when I ran it myself it seems to be asking what channels I wanted, there are quite a few, ill assume those are chanel you can posibly recieve, the default waws no, did you tell it yes to any of those?

[18:20:55]

CB1271B:

hi sorry can ynone help me please – my mythfrontend start normal but than the screen stays black – if i press esc it asks me normal but if i would like to close it ? any hint ? t

[18:21:17]

borga2:

Thats why I would like to change the content in the table settings (mysql-query-browser) but the edit button is greyed out in this table

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|Torg|:

umm thats script isnt getting it from the settings table

[18:22:15]

|Torg|:

in fact there is no DBS calls in it at all, it does however open a config file

[18:22:50]

|Torg|:

sorry DBI, stil there arnt any

[18:24:12]

|Torg|:

su to whatever user you set up to run the BE, lets say mythtv "su – mythtv"

[18:24:37]

|Torg|:

then run the grabber with the configure option "/usr/bin/tv_grab_se_swedb --configure" and answer the questions

[18:24:52]

|Torg|:

finally run the script with no options and see if it dumps data

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borga2:

Yes it dumps a loot of data

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borga2:

No errors

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|Torg|:

try running mythfilldatabase again

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borga2:

same problem, Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/bin/tv_grab_se_swedb line 174.

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|Torg|:

did you run it as the user?

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borga2:

yes

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|Torg|:

then i dont know, its an xmltv problem however not a mythtv one

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|Torg|:

assuimgn you setup the grabber right in mythytv

[18:34:01]

borga2:

Sure hope so, any ideas there?

[18:34:52]

|Torg|:

again I dont use xmltv grabbers, but id assume you set it up as a source

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floppyears:

so for you guys that use a lan to communicate between frontend & backend, did you drill holes under the house or into the walls ?

[18:40:33]

floppyears:

how did you route the cables so that it has a WAF ?

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juski:

floppyears: under the floor, all the way to the other end of the livingroom & back,then upstairs from under the staircase

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|Torg|:

up the wall, tghough the attic, down the wall

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Dagmar:

What the heck is "WAF"?

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|Torg|:

Wife Accpetance Factor

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jroysdon:

Hey, I just got an email from labs.zap2it.com saying my subscription was about to expire, and that I could extend it with a brief survey... I hit the website and did the blank survey, and now I get: Your subscription has been extended to 2007/11/30... anyone else get this email?

[18:42:30]

jroysdon:

(or does anyone else see the renewal offer link when logging in to labs.zap2it.com?)

[18:42:36]

juski:

telling your wife that you want to put a PC in the livingroom is (I imagine) as fraud with risk as it would be to suggest it's time you both had open relationships & you should start visiting swingers clubs

[18:42:40]

floppyears:

thanks

[18:43:04]

Dagmar:

jroysdon: It doesn't matter

[18:43:07]

jroysdon:

Also, what do other folks who use labs.zap2it.com have for their expiration? Is it also 30/Aug/2007, or something later/different ? Mine was 30/Aug/2007, which is perhaps why I got the offer...?

[18:43:23]

jroysdon:

Dagmar- are they going to shut it off on 9/12 or 9/13 no matter if you have a valid sub?

[18:43:30]

Dagmar:

Of course

[18:43:30]

juski:

jroysdon: maybe they just can't be bothered to update their scripts. the immutable fact here is that on 1st sept they're cutting you orf

[18:43:46]

opello:

heh

[18:43:55]

jroysdon:

Hmm, they should stop their scripts from getting folks' hopes up ;-p

[18:44:27]

Dagmar:

TwinReverb: Dur... it's a mime-types table

[18:44:31]

kash:

http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/89553/33_R . . . The_Internet

[18:44:33]

kash:

LOL

[18:44:36]

jroysdon:

Where does it say that on 9/1 it will cut you off? I just see that SD will be live/available for 9/1...

[18:44:55]

juski:

jroysdon: they made the announcement ages ago – cue panic!

[18:45:01]

kash:

haha

[18:45:14]

juski:

panic, vitriol, more virtiol, boiling bile.. pure hate..

[18:45:20]

Dagmar:

You have got to be one of the LAST people on the planet to find this out

[18:45:40]

kash:

i wish i could grab like all the data that TMS has for a year

[18:45:41]

kash:

:o

[18:45:45]

kash:

is that possible

[18:45:52]

juski:

Dagmar: I think not. I seriously wouldn't be surprised to see people genuinely shocked come the cut-off date

[18:46:15]

floppyears:

jroysdon: the login page has the announcement

[18:46:19]

Dagmar:

...although I imagine on Sept. 2nd we're going to have to set up an on-join hook that says to everyone as they enter the channel "YES WE KNOW YOUR LISTINGS NO LONGER WORK, SEE SCHEDULESDIRECT.FOO TO FIX IT"

[18:46:24]

juski:

I'll hover around & just real logs around then though

[18:46:31]

juski:

s/real/read

[18:46:34]

jroysdon:

floppyears- the login page doesn't say it is stopping anymore, just that SD will be up for 9/1

[18:46:36]

floppyears:

jroysdon: if you look in slashdot many people have talked about it

[18:46:48]

jroysdon:

However, I found it on their forums: http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1294

[18:47:00]

juski:

floppyears: hard as this may be to believe, but some learned people pay no heed to /.

[18:47:05]

jroysdon:

(yes, I knew of the announcement, but not the exact date off hand, and then I got the email from them to renew).

[18:47:09]

opello:

you'd think it would have been in an email though

[18:47:18]

opello:

instead of just on the login page

[18:47:30]

juski:

yeah little pleasantries like that would lessen confuzzlement a tad

[18:47:32]

floppyears:

jroysdon: the email is automatically generated,

[18:47:53]

juski:

point is, they could have spent 10 mins updating the email contents

[18:48:02]

floppyears:

jroysdon: the system and scripts that give the feed tv listing and those emails are still in place, but will probably be gone soon !

[18:48:03]

juski:

not even that, more likely

[18:48:03]

Dagmar:

You Get What You Pay For

[18:48:28]

juski:

and sing along with me now, nice & loud.. you don't get what you don't pay for :D

[18:48:39]

juski:

it's the American way

[18:49:22]

juski:

I read a nice thread on the knoppmyth forums today.. how you can make life so you'll be able to afford SD

[18:49:32]

juski:

made me smile :)

[18:49:42]

jroysdon:

skip StarBucks once a month... problems solved.

[18:50:03]

juski:

$5 for a cwup of kwawfee? :-O

[18:50:26]

juski:

I'm in the wrong business

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borga2:

Does anyone know how I can reset the "counter" of tuner cards in myth? After a reconfiguration my cards are now 7,8 and 9 (works but it's not looking good!)

[18:51:22]

juski:

borga2: what "counter" ?

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|Torg|:

truncate the table

[18:51:33]

juski:

ah that

[18:51:34]

|Torg|:

hes talking about the autoincriment on the card number

[18:51:49]

|Torg|:

really is no reason to, beuse you have to just about delte everything

[18:52:48]

juski:

"Mythbusters is set to record with encoder 654675834567 at 19:00"

[18:52:50]

borga2:

That sucks, should just be a couple of tables (maybe a loot of tables but anyway)

[18:53:01]

borga2:

heh

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Dagmar:

juski: that would be Aval0n's machine in about two more weeks

[18:53:22]

** juski chuckles **

[18:53:38]

juski:

how did he get on with his spdif hack? still pussy-footin' around?

[18:54:00]

|Torg|:

channel, capturecard, cardinput, and disec_tree, record, and recorded I can think of offhand that refernce it

[18:54:17]

juski:

I don't blame him for not taking my word for it how unlikely it is he'll break anything, even if the voltage levels are wrong

[18:55:19]

Dagmar:

No, but he *has* been busy doing things like changing the default bitrate for the encoders to seemingly random values nearly double the defaults, changing the deinterlacer frequently, attempting to use multiple deinterlacers at once, changing his screen resolution...

[18:55:33]

Dagmar:

...and oh yes, saying "My video output looks horrible, what can I do?"

[18:55:39]

juski:

shorting stuff out is the biggest worry by far but if you check your work enough before applying power you'll be ok

[18:55:53]

Dagmar:

Basically, dorking with settings until the box has become unusable

[18:56:08]

juski:

yeah upscaling analogue SD to HD res is never gonna look nice, esp with a crud cable feed

[18:56:19]

|Torg|:

Dagmar my HD pictures look grainy no matter what I do, even if I watch them directly on my TV, how do I make the brodcasters catch a clue?

[18:56:32]

Dagmar:

|Torg|: Try ##NBC

[18:56:50]

|Torg|:

hell I have PBS shows that looks like some 5th grader took ffmpeg and upscaled them

[18:57:06]

juski:

if anything I'd put money on HD pictures looking overly smooth, like as if they'd over-optimised them for encoding & transmission

[18:57:37]

|Torg|:

I also get duplicate mpeg pacekts, so much I tend not to log what ffmpeg puts out any more

[18:57:47]

|Torg|:

god only knows why thye repeat frames, but they do

[18:57:56]

juski:

3:2 pulldown?

[18:58:23]

|Torg|:

no its more like repeated I&P frames

[18:58:30]

juski:

blech

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|Torg|:

cbp that, and duplicate this over and over

[18:58:55]

Dagmar:

That's actually by design

[18:59:03]

|Torg|:

I have one staitn that sorta forgets to put the video pid in the nit too

[18:59:03]

Dagmar:

They expect that frames will get lost

[18:59:23]

|Torg|:

or is that the pat, or nat, whatver that damn table is

[18:59:41]

juski:

what what what? that's lame

[18:59:59]

juski:

it'd be in the PAT IIRC

[19:00:11]

juski:

program allocation table

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Dagmar:

Are we sure he's not really rm?

[19:00:17]

|Torg|:

ok the pat, yes

[19:00:37]

|Torg|:

dvntraffic shows it sometimes is there and sometimes not

[19:00:44]

juski:

couldn't the fcc have them for that?

[19:01:07]

|Torg|:

you mean the same fcc that puts compaints to /dev/null when I tell them my cable comany encrypts local channels?

[19:02:00]

|Torg|:

they also like putting non printable chars in the channel decritions and two staions put nothing at all

[19:02:27]

juski:

if you guys had only just got HD I could put that down to it being early days

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|Torg|:

myth calls the channel UNKNOWN46#1

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juski:

for some weird reason, channels here can change video & audio PID on the fly – it's crazy. there aren't many channels which have time-shared slots

[19:04:09]

|Torg|:

oh did I meantion the free to air discovery and toon netowrk chanenls they alas when bankrupt

[19:05:50]

DustyBin:

juski, what do you think of this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6958233.stm

[19:06:10]

juski:

I think it'll be a waste of time & money

[19:06:20]

juski:

can't play a game now, I need to record something

[19:06:32]

DustyBin:

i didnt think about that

[19:06:50]

DustyBin:

so the only reason it would be half decent is if it was left to do what it does, but that means no game playing

[19:07:03]

juski:

for less than the module is angled to cost you can get a standalone PVR

[19:07:39]

juski:

a dual tuner standalone PVR with DVD recorder

[19:07:55]

|Torg|:

I really dont get the compelling reason to get my consoles to be a PVR and my PVR to play games

[19:08:03]

DustyBin:

i agree

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juski:

now if on the other hand it'll record while you play games, alright

[19:08:35]

juski:

after all, stuffing digital TV onto HDD doesnt take much grunt at all

[19:09:00]

juski:

anyway this is all about mythical convergence funnily enough!

[19:09:09]

|Torg|:

I really really think the brodcastes here just plug some shit in and expect it to work

[19:09:18]

juski:

for years I was saying "what if we had one box in the room & it just did everything?"

[19:09:23]

DustyBin:

juski: its just as bad as DAB announcing they might have live video with radio

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|Torg|:

more then one station has a ditital ASTC tuner brodcasting NOTHING

[19:09:40]

|Torg|:

I think its part of the fcc though shalt laws

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juski:

DustyBin: they actually said radio with piictures, maybe even moving pictures!"

[19:10:26]

juski:

DAB has an EPG now though, and you can buy what's effectively a PRR – personal radio recorder

[19:10:40]

juski:

pity they won't work when we get DAB+. muhahahaha

[19:11:07]

juski:

the govt wants to sell off the current DAB spectrum apparently

[19:11:11]

juski:

and FM

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juski:

the killing they made from 3G was too good to be true for them, and it's looking like they want to do it again & again

[19:11:58]

|Torg|:

is DAB HD radio?

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juski:

no, far from it

[19:12:11]

juski:

generally 128kbits mpeg1 layer2

[19:12:46]

juski:

ok so it's sampled at 48khz but when the bitrates are as low as they offer, it's not even FM radio quality

[19:12:54]

Gurft:

I can't really seem to find a clear answer in the mailing list, once SD goes live, do I just need to upgrade xmltv, or do I need to do a full myth upgrade to SVN trunk?

[19:12:57]

Ryushin:

I'm compiling svn. I'm seeing this error now: -mcpu=' is deprecated. Use `-mtune=' or '-march=' instead.

[19:13:15]

juski:

Gurft: there's gonna be an xmltv grabber for it, and there'll be a 0.20.2 release

[19:13:17]

Ryushin:

Can I ignore it or do I need the patch listed in ticket 3231

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Gurft:

soo, both? or shoudl I be able to just update xmltv and mythfilldatabase will work with my current 0.20 install?

[19:13:47]

juski:

Gurft: I think so, yes

[19:13:52]

sphery:

Gurft: You'll want to upgrade MythTV. There's much goodness in 0.20.2 :)

[19:13:53]

|Torg|:

Ryushin did it compile, or did it fail on one of the optomizaiotns?

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Gurft:

sphery: yea, but I'm installed from packages now, and I don't have a weekend to dedicate to it till october....

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juski:

but as sphery says it'd be well worth upgrading to 0.20.2 – loads of fixes

[19:14:38]

juski:

and it shouldn't take long to upgrade

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Gurft:

The base mythtv I never have problems with

[19:14:52]

sphery:

Gurft: there will be packages for 0.20.2 (probably before Sep 1)

[19:15:00]

Gurft:

I sure hope so.

[19:15:05]

sphery:

Definitely before Sep 12 (when data starts to run out)

[19:15:06]

juski:

stop the backend, back up the db, uninstall the old packages, install the new ones. restart mythbackend..

[19:15:14]

juski:

badabing

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|Torg|:

what delinates 0.20.0, 0.20.1 and 0.20.2?

[19:15:21]

Gurft:

apt-get update all!

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Gurft:

:-D

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juski:

|Torg|: various stages of brokenness, in reverse order

[19:16:18]

juski:

I often find it ironic that svn trunk is probably more stable than -fixes most of the time – almost certainly more so than packaged versions

[19:16:48]

juski:

but the one thing you can rely on is that trunk is in a constant state of flux

[19:17:14]

Dagmar:

The folks packaging fixes seem to have the most horrifying luck

[19:17:17]

juski:

not that -fixes is especially unstable though

[19:17:42]

Dagmar:

I'm like, how does a nasty bug show up for one week, and somehow everyone ships that one version for the next three months

[19:17:59]

juski:

heheh

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|Torg|:

ahh wel I svn up the trunk and never have I seen it called 0.20.anything

[19:18:16]

Ryushin:

Oh, it compiles just fine.

[19:18:24]

|Torg|:

I assumed maybe it was in the README that I dint well....read :P

[19:18:26]

juski:

|Torg|: trunk is 0.21 if anything

[19:18:31]

Ryushin:

I just want to make sure it's optimized for the K8.

[19:18:51]

Dagmar:

Ryushin: It's really not going to matter if it's optimized for the k8 or the i686

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Dagmar:

They're pretty much the same as far as gcc cares

[19:19:05]

juski:

right now whatever is in -fixes will be what makes it to 0.20.2

[19:19:24]

Gurft:

so if I was going to build from SVN today, where would I build from?

[19:19:28]

Gurft:

trunk or -fixes?

[19:19:38]

|Torg|:

so so what what revision did fixed become 0.20.2?

[19:19:42]

juski:

Gurft: the road more travelled – i.e. =fixes

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juski:

|Torg|: it hasn't yet

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|Torg|:

ok juski now your confusing me :P

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juski:

the .1 release was to fix a problem with mythweb when the 0.20 release came out IIRC

[19:20:24]

juski:

it was issued very quickly

[19:20:38]

Gurft:

Yes, there was a 'nasty bug that got in just before the release'

[19:20:44]

Gurft:

if I remember the note on mythtv.org

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juski:

the -fixes branch of SVN is mostly backports of fixes submitted to trunk, so no real new features to speak of

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|Torg|:

I just call mine 0.20–13681 by svn revision

[19:22:07]

juski:

so to answer the question "what's the diff between 0.20.1 and 0.20.2" .. *plenty* ;)

[19:22:39]

juski:

a real important one for me was the way theme images are handled in memory – it's way more efficient now

[19:23:05]

Dagmar:

Cool, so I can use animations that take up half the screen now?

[19:23:06]

Gurft:

Is there anyway to kick in a screensaver of some type when you'r ejust sitting at the menu

[19:23:07]

Gurft:

?

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juski:

Dagmar: I said more efficient, not that it compresses stuff on the fly ;)

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|Torg|:

xlock?

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Phrenic:

I was wondering if anyone could help me, I have a Radeon 9600XT and I want to use the S-video out on it for TV. To do that I use the fglrx drivers, but when it outputs to the TV its choppy. I turned the video-overlay=Xv on but now the playback only covers the top half of the TV and is squished.

[19:23:35]

Gurft:

My plasma already has a little of Juski's love burned in on it :(

[19:23:44]

Dagmar:

juski: Just so long that it doesn't spool 165 images to the cache for each menu item

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juski:

it could be optimised further by loading images on demand, but tests need to be done to see what kind of speed impact that'd have if any

[19:24:43]

Gurft:

xlock would kick in anytime I think and I don't want to have to put in a password to get it back

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juski:

Phrenic: other than go out & buy a nvidia card I can't suggest anything to give you hope

[19:24:55]

|Torg|:

I stil use bloetoobe 0.1 tarball, I think that was the version

[19:25:02]

Dagmar:

Set the DPMS timeout to be shorter

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Gurft:

almost like something that just turns the screen black if no keypresses for 2 minutes and no video playing

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juski:

Gurft: what Dagmar said. myth disables DPMS for playback

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|Torg|:

DPMS does that

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Phrenic:

juski: do people using ATI cards have problems and nvidia works better?

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|Torg|:

yes Phrenic

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Gurft:

nice, I will have to set it up then

[19:26:08]

juski:

Phrenic: ATI & Linux suck. ATI even say on their website they don't support video playback problems and specifically mention tvtime, mythtv et al

[19:26:09]

Dagmar:

Oh come now

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Dagmar:

Everyone knows that ATI and Linux go together like peanut butter and thumbtacks

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Phrenic:

haha

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Cardoe:

Dagmar: and babies

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Phrenic:

ok, thanks, I might be able to borrow a card from a friend

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|Torg|:

Gurft what you want is called setterm

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juski:

when mythtv gets a different video renderer, the situation will likely change, but don't go holding your breath for that just yet

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|Torg|:

altho myth will disable DPMS at playback like juski aid

[19:27:38]

Phrenic:

DPMS?

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|Torg|:

Display Power Mangement Setting

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Phrenic:

ah

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|Torg|:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_Display_Pow . . . nt_Signaling

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Dagmar:

'cept when it's sitting at the menus DPMS is quite enabled

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juski:

even the linux port of XBMC is gonna have problems on ATI hardware & they know it, so they're looking at using opengl rendering for video, as some other players do

[19:28:33]

|Torg|:

cuase if its on wikipedia its got to be true :P

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Dagmar:

If it were still enabled during playback, people would piss and moan like mad

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juski:

one thing to remember about mythtv disabling DPMS for playback though – I wouldn't put much money on external apps doing the same

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|Torg|:

Dagmar some of turned it off period :P

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Dagmar:

Yeah, that's a great way to destroy a TV

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juski:

so if you use an external video player, your screen could very well go dark unexpectedly ;)

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|Torg|:

how so, when I watch it I turn it on, when I dont I turn it off

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juski:

I got yelled at profusely last time I suggested somebody just get up & turn the TV/monitor off

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|Torg|:

juski are you sure you wernt the one yelling :P

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juski:

yeah I'm sure. the guy took it that I was inferring he was a lazy ass, which I was

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|Torg|:

lazy ass is using asx streaming becase I dont want to go to the living room to watch TV

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|Torg|:

I wouldnt call watching TV exactly an acitve sport either :P

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Ryushin:

Well, AMD has committed to making true open source drivers for the ati cards. I'll believe it when it happens.

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juski:

depends what you do while watching

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juski:

Ryushin: so have Intel, and Intel are even kinda promising hardware acceleration of all kinds

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juski:

now *that* I really do want to see

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hatlevip-school:

will they accelerate mpeg4?

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juski:

that's what they're saying

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Ryushin:

I would be nice. But I really don't care since I don't support intel and it's not like I can by a intel based video card. It's always integrated.

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|Torg|:

they dont even accepelte mpeg2

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hatlevip-school:

sweet

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juski:

|Torg|: not right now they don't. they barely even have open source drivers

[19:34:31]

juski:

but that's (allegedly) a-changin'

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Ryushin:

Yea, well, I believe it when I see it.

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|Torg|:

then again neitehr really do the Nvidia drivers, closes they come is idct

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hatlevip-school:

if you're building a small mythfrontend then integrated isn't bad

[19:35:30]

juski:

Ryushin: yeah and some of the sweetest little motherboards ideally suited to frontend use have integrated intel video, so that's why it'd be good

[19:35:40]

Ryushin:

I still would not mind paying for a true open source video card that is at least decent. I'll even pay 4 times as much comparable to a ati or nvidia.

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|Torg|:

Ryushin whos DSP are you goig to use?

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juski:

Ryushin: they're working on one

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Ryushin:

juksi: Well, all the little main boards that I've been seeing that have dvi on them are nvidia.

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juski:

Ryushin: heh

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juski:

speaking of mythtv.. I'm off to watch some

[19:36:43]

Ryushin:

juski: Who is work on one?

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iamlindoro:

http://wiki.opengraphics.org./tiki-index.php

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Ryushin:

torg: I don't know. Maybe S3.

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Ryushin:

iamlindora: I think $1500 was a bit more than I wanted to spend. :)

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iamlindoro:

Hey, you said you'd pay 4 times as much... that's 3 x the top end nVidia

[19:40:01]

iamlindoro:

Besides, that's for developer boards, it would end up much cheaper

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|Torg|:

it usea FPGA of course its expensive

[19:40:48]

iamlindoro:

I believe the goal is $200ish

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Ryushin:

I'm not looking for top end. Maybe top end 2 year old technology. I was thinking about $400.

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Ryushin:

200ish would be perfect.

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|Torg|:

http://3btech.net/asnvge5912pc.html

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|Torg|:

$50 ok?

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Gurft:

okay, we're 1/2 way there

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Gurft:

DPMS turned the TV off

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Gurft:

however, it doesn't seem to want to come back on....

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|Torg|:

what command did you give it

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|Torg|:

and DPMS is an open standard, so of course nobody follows it

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Gurft:

xset dpms 120 0 0

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Gurft:

and it shut off after 2 minutes of inactivity

[19:45:12]

Gurft:

but button presses on the remote did not bring it back....

[19:45:21]

Gurft:

I would expect changing the menu items with the arrows would have reenabled it.

[19:45:22]

sphery:

use the keyboard

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Gurft:

I dont' have a keyboard

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|Torg|:

hit shift on the keyboard

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sphery:

or mouse

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Gurft:

or mouse

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Gurft:

I have a remote

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Gurft:

server is in a closet down the hall.

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sphery:

then you'll have to use irxevent to send an event

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|Torg|:

that or use a wireless keyboard :P

[19:46:04]

sphery:

LIRC isn't a normal X technology

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Gurft:

will that work even though I don't use irexec for my regular remote handling?

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sphery:

every LIRC client listed as a consumer of LIRC messages in your ~/.lircrc will receive the messages.

[19:49:56]

sphery:

So, create a stanza with "prog = mythtv" and another with "prog = irxevent" for each button and Myth and irexec will both get the messages (for every button press)

[19:50:06]

Gurft:

Gotcha

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Gurft:

okay

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sphery:

But, you'll have to do something with the button press

[19:50:37]

Gurft:

any harm in running xset dmcp force on with every button press, or with X catch that it's already on

[19:50:40]

Gurft:

and not try to turn it on again?

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sphery:

Or, you can use irexec and run some "do nothing" program that replays a mouse movement (i.e. at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/82722#82722 )

[19:51:40]

sphery:

Gurft: no problem with that approach,either

[19:53:14]

Gurft:

that's the one I found in the mythtv wiki

[19:53:18]

Gurft:

so I figure I'll take that approach first

[19:53:23]

Gurft:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DPMS

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sphery:

Gurft: You may also want to see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/172450#172450

[19:54:32]

sphery:

(whole thread) says it should just work and recommends someone figure out why it doesn't

[19:57:58]

Gurft:

okay, last question, then I gotta go to dinner. Since moving to the plasma, my fonts are really tiny. I have 100dpi and 75dpi fonts installed (particulary the ones at the login screen/etc)

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Gurft:

any suggestions?

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|Torg|:

run X -verbose 6 and see what it things the DPI is, and alter it to what you want it to be

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Gurft:

DPI set to (35, 50); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config

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|Torg|:

how big is the screen, phyically?

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Gurft:

42"

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Gurft:

Running 1366x768

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Dagmar:

Now you see why it's important to force DPI to 100

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Dagmar:

:)

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|Torg|:

I force mine to 75

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Dagmar:

Just imagine that second one with a male gnome lying prone

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|Torg|:

you can force it to like 100 like Dagmar says

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Dagmar:

definitely the wrong channel

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Dagmar:

*ugh*

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Gurft:

so I just add Option "DPI" "100x100" to xorg?

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|Torg|:

Gurft you hve a nvida card?

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Gurft:

yes

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|Torg|:

put in option "USEdidDPI" "flase" and option "DPI" "100x100"

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Gurft:

cool, thanks

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MrSassyPants:

question: does a 64bit OS have advantages for mythtv vs the same in 32bit? (talking x86_64 vs 686 here)

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|Torg|:

not unless you want to store a file so large your filesytem cant hanle it

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MrSassyPants:

um... the fs limit isn't really related to the bus length

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MrSassyPants:

er, address width

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|Torg|:

file size is however

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MrSassyPants:

of the main memory that is

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MrSassyPants:

nope

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|Torg|:

64 bit give your two advantages, 1) being more memory addressable, 2) being larger files

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MrSassyPants:

you can happily have files that are 100's of gigabytes large on an x686 fs

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|Torg|:

there is some, not much improvment is doing larger math, but like most of the x86 comutiaon you are not going to see any differnce

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PSU:

hi guys, at what point during a mythdora install should i disconnect my monitor and restart using only tv-out (nvidia gf4)? thanks!

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MrSassyPants:

64bit really is only 40 bit as of now

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MrSassyPants:

the next generation will have 48 bit addresses

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MrSassyPants:

filesystems don't have the same limitation

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MrSassyPants:

you can have a file 100gigs large on a pentium 2

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|Torg|:

I take it you are not familiar with high performce computing then

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MrSassyPants:

(provided the bios supports a HD of that size)

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MrSassyPants:

I take it you don't know what you're talking about

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|Torg|:

realy ever run Oracle?

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|Torg|:

how about on a Hitachy USP?

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MrSassyPants:

relational DBs are pretty similiar

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|Torg|:

ever setup a cluster? how about a metro cluster?

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|Torg|:

then why did you ask

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MrSassyPants:

and what would I want with a battery

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MrSassyPants:

dude, its you who thinks you can't have files larger than 4gbs on a 32 bit architecture

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|Torg|:

you dont know what a Hitachy USP is do you

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MrSassyPants:

I was thinking USV

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|Torg|:

go look up a 9990 array

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MrSassyPants:

you're talking about 19 inch equipment?

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|Torg|:

nope

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MrSassyPants:

that has nothing to do with this

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MrSassyPants:

look: memory address width != file system size limit for files

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|Torg|:

http://www.sun.com/service/sungrid/index.jsp

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|Torg|:

thats what Im talking about

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MrSassyPants:

you were talking about a hitachi device

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MrSassyPants:

not a sun devie

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MrSassyPants:

device*

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|Torg|:

I take it you dont realise sun rebrnads Hitachi storage same as HP does

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MrSassyPants:

its a clustered computation center

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MrSassyPants:

I don't care, I don't buy hitachi

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|Torg|:

thats one way of looking at grid computing

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|Torg|:

I dont see why you would

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MrSassyPants:

yeah. crappy chinese hardware

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|Torg|:

try Japan

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** MrSassyPants prefers korean **

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|Torg|:

ROTFL, youve never been there I take it

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MrSassyPants:

are you bored?

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fryfrog:

why are you guys even arguing about this/

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fryfrog:

?

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|Torg|:

he asked if using a 64 bit OS would make myth run any better

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MrSassyPants:

Don't ask me

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|Torg|:

I told him no not unless he wanted some realy large filesytems

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MrSassyPants:

he claimed on a 32bit FS you can only have files up to 4gbs in size

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Esine:

not true

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|Torg|:

I never said that

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MrSassyPants:

I laughed at him, now he's namedropping

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|Torg|:

it would be namedropping if I didnt know anything about it other then the name

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MrSassyPants:

[23:47:59] <|Torg|> http://www.sun.com/service/sungrid/index.jsp

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MrSassyPants:

[23:48:04] <|Torg|> thats what Im talking about

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MrSassyPants:

a clustered computational center that can be rented and used via the internet

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MrSassyPants:

...

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|Torg|:

when you asked if I was talking about 19 inch equipemnt

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MrSassyPants:

yeah, that really added a whole lot to our discussion

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|Torg|:

im not entirely sure what you meant by 19 inch equpemtn so I told you what I was talking about

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MrSassyPants:

Yeh. I guess.

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MrSassyPants:

that's something you should look up

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MrSassyPants:

19" rack

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MrSassyPants:

back to my question

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fryfrog:

"2) being larger files"

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fryfrog:

you did say large files |Torg|

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MrSassyPants:

running myth in a 64bit environment rather than a 32bit one

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MrSassyPants:

pros/cons?

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fryfrog:

MrSassyPants: no point

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|Torg|:

yes fryfrog I wasnt talking about 4G tho

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fryfrog:

I prefer 32bit for the less headacheness

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fryfrog:

and because i can only run 32bit on one of my backends, i may as well run the same thing on the frontend

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MrSassyPants:

I don't like to have a 32bit compatibility layer on my HD either

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MrSassyPants:

but what if I am to build a dedicated myth box

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fryfrog:

i doubt you'd even be able to notice a difference between 64bit and 32bit

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MrSassyPants:

would there be any point in having it run in 64bit ?

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fryfrog:

you have a distro you like best?

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fryfrog:

does it have good 64bit support?

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MrSassyPants:

I use gentoo mostly, but its not really a good distro

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fryfrog:

i used gentoo too, i liked it, but Ubuntu was just easier

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MrSassyPants:

I don't mind the console-heavyness of gentoo

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fryfrog:

i got tired of all those constant updates, little tiny break fixes, etc

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fryfrog:

but i still have a place in my <3 for gentoo

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fryfrog:

just don't *use* it anywhere anymore :)

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MrSassyPants:

what I object to, heavily, and I mean "GOD FUKCING DAMN SHOOT THOSE DEVS" heavily, is when the devs fuck up your system and you gotta fix it

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MrSassyPants:

gentoo's just not reliable

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fryfrog:

know what you'd go with instead?

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fryfrog:

fedora, ubuntu, debian, etc?

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MrSassyPants:

for a server? slack

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MrSassyPants:

or debian

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MrSassyPants:

for a desktop, probably ubuntu

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PSU:

anything i can do when the channel scan stops at 65% and locks up?

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fryfrog:

for myth, i'd prolly go ubuntu

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fryfrog:

or unstable/testing debian maybe

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MrSassyPants:

ubuntu's got pretty decent 64bit support, right?

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|Torg|:

try stable debian

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fryfrog:

think so, but i've never bothered with it

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MrSassyPants:

me neither

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fryfrog:

stable debian, the best 2001 has to offer :p

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MrSassyPants:

but I wonder if for a dedicated home tv mythbox, ubuntu 64 or 32?

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fryfrog:

or are we up to 2003?

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fryfrog:

i'd go 32bit, just for easy

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|Torg|:

fryfrog do you want bleeding edge or do you want stable and working?

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MrSassyPants:

I think I'd make that depending on the cpu

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MrSassyPants:

i.e. the cheaper the better

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MrSassyPants:

doesn't have to be x86/686

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MrSassyPants:

or x86_64

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: sometimes, for the latest hardware or stuff, you need a bit of the bleeding edge :(

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|Torg|:

yes fryfrog and when I need it, like ffmpeg, I download and compile it

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fryfrog:

for example, my firewire worked a lot better in ubuntu 7.whatever than it did in 6.whatever

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|Torg|:

or when I need a new kernel or such

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fryfrog:

blech, i hate having a frankenstein system :(

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fryfrog:

where possible, i like to let the distro handle the packages

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fryfrog:

er, software

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fryfrog:

i'll compile myth myself, but i don't wanna compile *everything* it needs myself

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|Torg|:

then waht you are talking about is a premade kernel and some software packaging, thats all a distribution really is

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fryfrog:

otherwise, i'd just go with gentoo again :)

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|Torg|:

in theory they alsy do some sanity checks on the packages

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fryfrog:

in theory :)

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|Torg|:

kernel, dvb tools, hadware drivers, svn, apache

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|Torg|:

load in what libs you want and your done

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MrSassyPants:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+

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MrSassyPants:

dirt cheap

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MrSassyPants:

and dual core's good. put in two tuners and have both of them store shit in mpeg4

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fryfrog:

hardware mpeg2

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fryfrog:

unless you archive shit, who cares

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|Torg|:

dvb card, mpeg2 no hardware enciding needed

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MrSassyPants:

mpeg4 on a x2–4000 > any hardware mpeg

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fryfrog:

framegrabber card << any other card

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|Torg|:

2x hardware mpeg2 on a atlon-xp 1500

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MrSassyPants:

I wouldn't build anything without a framegrabber card :p

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fryfrog:

oops, cpu spike, i lost 100 frames of my tv show :p

[22:04:13]

MrSassyPants:

or, two

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MrSassyPants:

cpu spike? from what?

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fryfrog:

oops, nother cpu spike... nother 200 frames gone

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fryfrog:

i dunno, you saying your PC never hits 100% usage?

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|Torg|:

I have two framegrabber cards, there sitting on my desk where they belong

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MrSassyPants:

that's the nice thing about it. it doesn't matter because of priorization

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fryfrog:

framegrabber -> mpeg4 would be constant cpu usage (not sure how much)

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MrSassyPants:

fryfrog, here, its about 75%

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fryfrog:

maybe 10–30% per card?

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fryfrog:

holey crap, really?

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MrSassyPants:

in full pal resolution

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fryfrog:

on what type of cpu?

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MrSassyPants:

760x560, on a slightly older x2–4000

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fryfrog:

ah

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MrSassyPants:

75% on 1 cpu

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MrSassyPants:

mpeg4

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fryfrog:

so if you had 2 of em, 150% out of 200

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MrSassyPants:

exactly

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fryfrog:

if you had 4 of them, 300% out of 200

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fryfrog:

lame :p

[22:06:38]

MrSassyPants:

but mpeg4 :p

[22:06:44]

fryfrog:

i'd rather spend $50 more and get a hard drive that is 2x bigger

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fryfrog:

then use that extra cpu time doing what ever else i want ;)

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MrSassyPants:

that x2–4000 is one of the cheapest cpus there are

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fryfrog:

your framegrabber do audio?

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fryfrog:

or does it require a passthrough?

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MrSassyPants:

basically, the only thing available that's cheaper in commercial quantities is a celeron 3.2ghz that's 20% cheaper

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MrSassyPants:

passthrough

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

that gets annoying after about 1 framegrabber card :(

[22:08:12]

MrSassyPants:

for a dedicated box...

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MrSassyPants:

hmm I see your point

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fryfrog:

you'd need another sound card for every framegrabber you put in

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MrSassyPants:

not sur

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MrSassyPants:

sure

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fryfrog:

you *can* always do hardware mpeg2 cards, then setup auto-transcode to mpeg4

[22:09:14]

fryfrog:

that way, you can run the transcode at very low priority and you have the best of both worlds

[22:09:23]

MrSassyPants:

a bt878 with the btaudio chip does it internally

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fryfrog:

mpeg4 *and* no worries about having 3 sound cards and 3 frame grabbers

[22:09:38]

fryfrog:

true, if it is hooked up and works :/

[22:09:48]

fryfrog:

I'd rather just have 1x PVR500 though, for analog

[22:10:01]

fryfrog:

Does anyone make any dual tuner HD cards that work in linux?

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MrSassyPants:

HD?

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fryfrog:

High Def

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kslater:

fryfrog – HDHomeRun?

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fryfrog:

but that is network, right?

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kslater:

not a card

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kslater:

right

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fryfrog:

I guess I was thinking PCI

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fryfrog:

or PCI-E

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kslater:

I don't know of one

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fryfrog:

are there even any single tuner pci-e cards for linux?

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fryfrog:

hd or non-hd

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|Torg|:

I havent seen any dvb pci-e

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MrSassyPants:

Hauppauge WinTV HVR 1100 <- hmmm

[22:11:34]

|Torg|:

I think some of the newer dvb-s2 cards may be

[22:11:40]

MrSassyPants:

does that thing work? I mean, are there drivers for it?

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fryfrog:

what is it?

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iamlindoro:

I don't think so

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fryfrog:

and i doubt there are

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MrSassyPants:

its a combined dvb-t / analog pal card

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fryfrog:

ah

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iamlindoro:

I'm not aware of any dual hd pci(-e) tuners period, let alone linux supported

[22:12:48]

fryfrog:

i wish one of those new pci cable card devices worked in linux :(

[22:12:52]

MrSassyPants:

are there any single hd tuners?

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iamlindoro:

Apparently ADS makes some

[22:12:55]

fryfrog:

i'd buy one of those in an instant and rent a cable ard

[22:12:56]

MrSassyPants:

that are linux supported?

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fryfrog:

MrSassyPants: sure, lots

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iamlindoro:

HD 5000

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iamlindoro:

among others

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fryfrog:

air2pc has one or two, uh, some other guys

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iamlindoro:

but keep in mind, unencrypted or OTA only

[22:13:21]

fryfrog:

yeah :(

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fryfrog:

QAM unencrypted or OTA HD (in the US)

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|Torg|:

almost all the conecttant cx88 cards are suported

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fryfrog:

sounds like you are in EU?

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MrSassyPants:

oh, oh, another crazy idea

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MrSassyPants:

is there some way to get a scart output for a puter?

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|Torg|:

ask juski I belive he has one

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|Torg|:

I belvie with a HDMI-Scart connector

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MrSassyPants:

hmm there's also adapters

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tjcarter:

huh, I just downloaded someone else's Myth frontend for Intel Mac and it doesn't work unless you let QuickTime do color conversion (black screen)

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tjcarter:

of course, you get really messed up rainbow screen with the older version I've been using if you don't have the opposite setting

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tjcarter:

But the newer build still doesn't fix any of the other bugs *sigh* and seems to have a hard time remaining synchronized.

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PSU:

hi guys, got a weird problem...i can only see channels 1–13, the others are listed but just show static on the actual live tv showing...any ideas?

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fryfrog:

OTA?

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PSU:

well

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PSU:

the other weird thing...when i look at the listings (scroll up and down on the remote), channels 1–13 say "adding"

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PSU:

this is a brand new install btw

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PSU:

channel 14 says HSN

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PSU:

etc.

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PSU:

but 1–13 say adding

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PSU:

but they work and 14+ doesn't

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PSU:

the channels are on the air btw, just checked...

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kslater:

what sort of feed are using?

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kslater:

and what sort of capture card?

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PSU:

feed – cable?

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PSU:

capture card – pvr-350; nvidia GF4 tv-out

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PSU:

if i go to http://192.168.0.180/mythweb/settings/channels (local web for my setup)

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PSU:

channels 2–13 say – Adding Channel 3

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PSU:

channel 14+ says Home Shopping Network

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PSU:

one other thing that stands out...the freqid field

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kslater:

how did you add your channels?

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PSU:

2–13 have freqs 55,000+ 14 and higher just say 14,15,etc.

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PSU:

i believe it was under option 4, video settings

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PSU:

i had it scan the channels, which it did

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PSU:

was i supposed to do that full EIT thing?

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kslater:

no, I don't think you want EIT

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PSU:

ok

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kslater:

you're a comcast cable subscriber, right?

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PSU:

yup :P

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PSU:

how'd u know?

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kslater:

just basic cable, not digital or anything

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PSU:

ah

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PSU:

ip

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kslater:

you're join message

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kslater:

doh

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PSU:

yup

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kslater:

s/you're/your

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PSU:

yup, just basic cable

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kslater:

when you setup the capture card you selected US-Cable for the input type?

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PSU:

hmm, i believe...can i check now>?

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kslater:

I'm pretty sure you can

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kslater:

you might get some warning about something or other. I can't remember, it's been so long since I've been in mythtv-setup

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

let me check

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PSU:

ok got mythtv-setup up

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PSU:

channel frequency table – default

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PSU:

should i change that?

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PSU:

bunch of choices

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PSU:

us-bcast, us-cable, us-cable-hrc, etc.

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kslater:

I think you want us-cable

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kslater:

maybe us-cable-hrc

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kslater:

did you have a look at the installation document?

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PSU:

it says, use default unless this source uses a different freq table than the system wide table defined in the general settings

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PSU:

let me check

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kslater:

ah

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kslater:

what's the system-wide setting?

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PSU:

at hah!

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kslater:

I seem to mess this step up when I give advice – fair warning

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PSU:

us-bcast

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PSU:

if you have an antenna, use a -bcast freq

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kslater:

ah, that would explain the < 13

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PSU:

that's it!

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PSU:

exactly!!!!!

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PSU:

should i re-scan the chans then?

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kslater:

I would

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Anduin:

PSU: If you are using zap2it you don't need to channel scan

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kslater:

did you create a listing source from labs.zap2it.com?

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PSU:

should

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PSU:

ok so i should do it from zap2it and now a physical scan?

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PSU:

i just did a physical scan

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PSU:

and it locked up at 21%

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kslater:

doh

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PSU:

:P

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PSU:

i will try to restart and use zap2it!

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kslater:

well you want a listings source anyway

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PSU:

i know we found the problem though

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PSU:

right

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Anduin:

PSU: Channel scanning is not necessary for standard US cable + zap2it

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PSU:

Anduin: thanks!

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PSU:

kslater: thanks for your help bud!

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kslater:

fellow PSU guy, how could I resist

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PSU:

alum?

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djc_:

I have mythtv (svn) setup. My tv provider uses udp multicast streams. I have two instances of the "FREEBOX"/iptv decoder configured, and mythtv seems to let me watch one program while recording another. However, the one being recorded is always garbled during any time it recorded while i was watching live tv.

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djc_:

i had assumed there simply wasnt enough bandwidth for two programs, however

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djc_:

I was able to succesfully run two instanced of mencoder each receiving and saving a different program at the same time, and each recorded fine

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djc_:

so my question is, do I have something configured wrong, or does mythtv not support this properly

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djc_:

oh..

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djc_:

i had followed some instructions here: http://trac.mugofgrog.com/docs/transmyth/tran . . . IPLE-STREAMS

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djc_:

before that mythtv didnt allow me to record and watch at the same time at all, even with two instances of "FREEBOX" confgured

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GreyFoxx:

djc_: I've got 8 iptv sources and have had 7 recordings and 1 livetv going at once

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GreyFoxx:

but I have notice that once in awhile when I start playback of an iptv recording I will get "scrambled" video

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djc_:

that tends to suggest that ive got something configured wrong.. any suggestions on where to look?

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djc_:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

but if I exit playback and start again it works properly

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't been able to reproduce it often enough to debug what it is

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djc_:

ah.. no, this was scrambled on record.. even playing the file standalone

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm

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djc_:

should I have had to make that patch at the url I gave?

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GreyFoxx:

I am using SVN trunk though. I never only briefly used iptv streams before 0.20 came out

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djc_:

I am also running from the svn trunk

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djc_:

becuase I wanted to be able to use an m3u to configure all the channels

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used any patch

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djc_:

since I already have one I was playing with vlc with

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djc_:

are your seperate iptv sent to different ports, or the same?

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djc_:

for me all 100-odd channels are at a.b.c.X:2082

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djc_:

where X varies with the channel #

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djc_:

all port 2082

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GreyFoxx:

seperate (I generate them myself)

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djc_:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

I can test the different IP but same port thing on Satrday though

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djc_:

thats what the patch was about, apparently myth by default cant record two strams on the same port

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GreyFoxx:

Are they sent to multicast addresses ?

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GreyFoxx:

I'm pretty sure that shouldn't be a problem

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GreyFoxx:

especially since the iptv stuff has been majorly reritten since back in the days of that patch

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GreyFoxx:

but I can't test it until I get time on Saturday morning

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marC--:

Anyone know if there is a help channel for LinuxMCE?

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djc_:

well, when I scheduled a recording, then was watching livetv when it was set to start, myth did popup asking if i wanted to pre-empt ot what

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djc_:

until I put on that patch

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: btw: the multirec branch should be in a testable state. I have only none core functional patches in my queue

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