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Sunday, August 19th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Opulentus:

regular user

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Opulentus:

it didn't ask me to switch users

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directhex:

it did ask you to log out & back in though. did you?

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Opulentus:

it didn't ask me to log out

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Opulentus:

should I uninstall and try again?

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directhex:

i'm pretty sure it offers to add you to the "mythtv" group, and tells you you need to log out

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directhex:

what does "groups $USER" say?

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Opulentus:

ohhh that happend way back before we fixed the APT

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Opulentus:

root adm dialout fax cdrom floppy... nothing about mythtv

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directhex:

sudo adduser $USER mythtv

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directhex:

then log out, log back in

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Opulentus:

done

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Opulentus:

try and run though setup again and still the same thing

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directhex:

cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Opulentus:

ok

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directhex:

worked fine?

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Opulentus:

yup

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Opulentus:

DBHostname-localhost

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Opulentus:

username mythtv

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Opulentus:

DBName mythconverg

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Opulentus:

and password lykhuetr

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directhex:

okay. mysql -umythtv -plykhuetr mythconverg

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Opulentus:

access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (usingpassword:YES)

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directhex:

sigh

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directhex:

you probably ballsed up your database access when using the unofficial debian packages

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directhex:

since the ubuntu packages make database setup more or less foolproof

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Opulentus:

ok now what

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GreyFoxx:

lykhuetr isn't your shell password is it?

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Opulentus:

nope

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Opulentus:

uninstall mysql?

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GreyFoxx:

many users assume the shell user mythtv is the same as the mysql user

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Opulentus:

that's not my password

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directhex:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . a68b6a8b4162

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xris:

Opulentus: could just log into mysql as root and change the mythtv user's password

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Opulentus:

ubuntu would allow me to login as root

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Opulentus:

err would not

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directhex:

ubuntu has the root account disabled by default. you use "sudo bash" if you really need root access

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directhex:

please read the provided link

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xris:

Opulentus: mysql users and system users are COMPLETELY separate

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Aval0n_:

for ppl running mythtv on hdtvs

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Aval0n_:

was res are you guys running?

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directhex:

1360768

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directhex:

1360x768

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Aval0n_:

1366?

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Aval0n_:

or 1360"

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directhex:

1360

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Aval0n_:

ahh

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directhex:

my TV doesn't like 1366

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xris:

Aval0n_: when I've done it for demos (I don't have hdtv at home), 1280x720.

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Aval0n_:

when you watch dvds at that res

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Aval0n_:

it like it like upscaling to 720p?

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directhex:

almost all brand-name HDTV on the market in .uk (i..e LCD screens from 20" to 37") are either 1366x768 panels

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Aval0n_:

my ubuntu only shows 800x600 using the nvidia glx drive

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Aval0n_:

r

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directhex:

nvidia's driver gets resolution capabilities via a technology called EDID

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directhex:

i've never met an HDTV that sends valid EDID data

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directhex:

usually it's neccessary to use a modeline to specify a proper higher resolution that your screen definitely is capable of taking

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Aval0n_:

so how do i fix it?

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Aval0n_:

:)

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directhex:

what's your screen?

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Aval0n_:

1366x768

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Aval0n_:

50"

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directhex:

try adding the following to the Monitor section of xorg.conf: Modeline "1360x768" 84.50 1360 1392 1712 1744 768 783 791 807

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directhex:

assumes the same horizsync/vertrefresh as my screen, which may be false

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Aval0n_:

was is your refresh?

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Aval0n_:

i have a plasma

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Aval0n_:

hp-s5053

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Aval0n_:

samsung

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rooaus:

Aval0n: You using PAL (50Hz)

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rooaus:

?

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Aval0n_:

no

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directhex:

rooaus, not with an HD-ready set, not generally

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Aval0n_:

ntsc

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directhex:

http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

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directhex:

fill in resolution, refresh rate (60), and aspect ratio (16:9)

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directhex:

it gives a modeline

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rooaus:

Aval0n: No probs, cos there is an override that I needed to allow 50Hz mode here.

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directhex:

then add that modeline to the "modes" subsection in the "screens" section

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directhex:

e.g. in my case, Modeline "1360x768" 84.50 1360 1392 1712 1744 768 783 791 807

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directhex:

and Modes "1360x768" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

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directhex:

check your TV's manual to see what it says it will take over VGA – it might not do 1366 (only 1360)

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rooaus:

Aval0n_: Start the X server with verbose logging of level 6 and you will see the EDID reported modes and the mode validation info. From there you can get the info you would need.

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directhex:

and it may or may not take non-standard-HD resolutions over HDMI (mine doesn't allow anything but 720p or 1080i over hdmi, some do)

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Aval0n_:

well it's doin 800x600 right now

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directhex:

over HDMI?

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rooaus:

Aval0n_: Read back over you posts, I see you are trying to get native (or near native) over HDMI with a 1366x768 panel from Samsung. I don't think you will have any luck, sorry.

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directhex:

rooaus, he's never specified HDMI

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rooaus:

directhex: Ah, that was your post with HDMI mentioned... doh.

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directhex:

since one of the main aims of irc is to divulge as little information as possible whilst still expecting detailed targeted replies

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directhex:

anyway, it's past sleep o'clock

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rooaus:

Aval0n_: I would try starting X with verbose logging, you will be surprised the info you will get from it. "startx — -logverbose 6" that is where I got the info for my setup from.

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rooaus:

Gotta run myself, goodluck.

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Opul2:

ok tried the webpage and still no luck

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Opulentus:

I noticed something tho

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Opulentus:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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Opulentus:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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Opulentus:

2007-08–18 19:33:24.661 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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floppyears:

there's an echo when I'm playing back some recordings, what are some things that I can check ?

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Opulentus:

while working though the page

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Opulentus:

What do I need to do to get all the supporting files removed so I can start over from scratch

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BULLE:

Opulentus: what "supporting files" ?

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Opulentus:

like mysql and such

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BULLE:

Opulentus: just remove all the installed packages with your package manager ( eg rpm or apt in most cases )

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Opulentus:

what is the syntax to remove packages?

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BULLE:

Opulentus: that depends on your package manager, consul the manpage for it

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Opulentus:

ok gone

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Opulentus:

I'm goin to try this again

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Opulentus:

ok I still get errors

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Opulentus:

Setting up mythtv-database (0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6) ...

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Opulentus:

Failed to connect to database: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at -e line 5, <> line 1.

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Opulentus:

Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?)

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Opulentus:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database

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Opulentus:

cp: cannot create regular file `/var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/mythtv-reconfigure-required': No such file or directory

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BULLE:

Opulentus: so, you set the root password in mysql ?

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BULLE:

Opulentus: and allow incomming connections to the mysql database ?

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Opulentus:

I just ran "sudo apt-get install mythtv"

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Opulentus:

and I get this stuff

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Opulentus:

dpkg: error processing mythtv (--configure):

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Opulentus:

dependency problems – leaving unconfigured

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Opulentus:

Errors were encountered while processing:

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Opulentus:

mythtv-database

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Opulentus:

mythtv

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Opulentus:

E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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Opulentus:

BULLE: any ideas?

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BULLE:

Opulentus: yes, you need to configure mysql properly, so you have a user with a set password that has the rights that mythtv needs

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BULLE:

Opulentus: i dont use ubuntu, so i dont have any particular clues in regards to your particular packages

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Aval0n_:

directhex you still around?

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Aval0n_:

xris you there?

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xris:

?

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Aval0n_:

hi

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Aval0n_:

you run 1280x720

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Aval0n_:

on your demos

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xris:

yeah

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Aval0n_:

i will want to run dvds too

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BULLE:

720p is the shit!

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Aval0n_:

if i ran 1360x658

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Aval0n_:

err

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xris:

just happens that the plasma I borrow from work does 720p over a vga cable

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Aval0n_:

768

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Aval0n_:

would the dvds fill up the whole screen

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: native dvd resolution is 720x480 for ntsc and 720x576 for pal

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xris:

Aval0n_: mythtv/mplayer/whatever should scale them just fine.. not as nice as letting the tv do it on its own, though.

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xris:

honestly, an upscaling dvd player is your best bet for quality.

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: as xris said, just config mythtv so it knows it got a 16/9 display, also config mplayer so it knows it has 16/9 display

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Aval0n_:

sp running at 1280x720 isn't the same as upscaling to 720p

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BULLE:

sp ?

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Aval0n_:

so*

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Aval0n_:

+ a ? at the end

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Aval0n_:

:)

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Aval0n_:

so running 1280x720 is not the same as upscaling to 720p?

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: no, you can run 1280x720 and not uppscale, in that case you will have a tiny movie and HUGE black borders

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Aval0n_:

xris said the best for qual is upscaling dvd player

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Aval0n_:

how come

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Aval0n_:

I have one..

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Aval0n_:

but i'de like the HTPC to do everything

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: guess best bet is to just buy a professional scaler for a couple of thousand usd, then you get realy good deinterlacing and scaling =D

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: i guess its just that no one have realy spent time implementing realy good deinterlace/rescaling/whatever video filters in mythtv

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Aval0n_:

hmm

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Aval0n_:

bummer

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: just try the scaling that mythtv does, and see if you are happy with it

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Aval0n_:

ok

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: i use it all the time, and its ok imho

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Aval0n_:

ok

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: you got a windows machien accessible somewhere ?

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: if so, you can always check out dscaler, its an opensource scaler/deinterlacer for win32 thats actualy pretty darn good

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immolo:

finally after months of saying I would do it, I finally wrote a page for the mythtv wiki

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BULLE:

immolo: nice

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immolo:

BULLE- damn right :P

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immolo:

anyway I'm off to bed

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Opulentus:

ok I think I found the problem

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Opulentus:

Mysql doe not have a database called mythtvconverg

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Opulentus:

but I don't know how to create a new database

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xris:

Opulentus: might be time to start reading the mythtv docs.. mythtv provides a .sql file to help with this sort of thing, but if you're going to do things that way, you should read the rest of the docs on that topic, too

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Opulentus:

i'm going through them now

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DustyBin:

ive just compiled mythtv

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DustyBin:

but when i try to run myth front end

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DustyBin:

it says

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DustyBin:

./mythfrontend: Symbol `_ZTV18ProfileGroupEditor' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking

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DustyBin:

lots more errors of that same kind of thing

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xris:

DustyBin: sounds like it's linked to the wrong spot.

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xris:

are you still compiling into /opt?

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floppyears:

hi, how can I use mythtv's volume up/down to control the alsa volume ?

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floppyears:

is this possible ?

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DustyBin:

yes compiling into /opt

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DustyBin:

is it ok to do that?

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xris:

DustyBin: yeah.. just tricky, like I said..

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DustyBin:

what other way could i do it?

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xris:

and from your error, I'm guessing that you have some lib path issues.

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xris:

DustyBin: um, let it go to /usr/local/ where it wants to? or use a package.

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DustyBin:

i dont want to use the debian package as its too old

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DustyBin:

ive done

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DustyBin:

updatedb and removed all mythtv bits

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DustyBin:

what apt-get remove missed

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xris:

who said anything about using official packages... I just build my own (not debian, though, sorry)

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DustyBin:

ok

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xris:

someone here earlier was telling you about checkinstall, which supposedly will make a .deb for you

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DustyBin:

aye yes

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xris:

imho that might be your best option

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DustyBin:

if i did compile to /usr/local

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DustyBin:

and one day i wanted to remove everything

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DustyBin:

how would i do that?

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DustyBin:

make uninstall ?

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xris:

what about this checkinstall app?

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xris:

I have no idea if myth has an uninstall option. I just build rpms and install those.

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DustyBin:

that is in unstable, i dont fancy using unstable stuff

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xris:

and yet you're compiling mythtv svn?

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DustyBin:

ok..

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floppyears:

anybody who has an idea how can I control the volume ?

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DustyBin:

could mythtv svm break my system?

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floppyears:

the volume up and down in mythtv aren't working, but alsamixer works

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xris:

DustyBin: depends on what you mean by break. I've seen mythtv cause hard X errors that require a hard reboot.

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DustyBin:

thats ok..

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xris:

floppyears: did you tell mythtv that you're using alsa, and configure the correct alsa device?

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xris:

DustyBin: I don't know anything about debian... it was my impression that most people tended to pick and choose parts from unstable, even if the bulk of the machine was running stable packages.

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DustyBin:

ok

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floppyears:

xris: I'm afraid I did that wrong, I wasn't sure what to choose in those pages

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floppyears:

is that through mythtv-setup ?

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floppyears:

or through the frontend config pages ?

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rooaus:

floppyears: You using spdif out?

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xris:

anyway, you seem to have a grasp of things.. the problem with mythtv and paths is that it uses qmake... which means that sometimes the ./configure file misses updating a .pro (qmake config) file with new path info...

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floppyears:

rooaus: no

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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floppyears:

I'm just using the onboard sound

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xris:

floppyears: probably frontend config... I haven't messed with audio in a long time, though

[02:01:12]

floppyears:

thanks

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xris:

DustyBin: I know with my packages I have to do a bunch of grep/sed type replacements to fix installs even going into /usr/bin, so it doesn't surprise me that you're having trouble with /opt

[02:01:37]

DustyBin:

jeeze

[02:01:43]

DustyBin:

i think maybe this is a bit beyond me

[02:02:11]

xris:

DustyBin: if this is just a dedicated mythbox, why not use knopmyth? it's debian, and comes pre-configured with mythtv.

[02:02:30]

DustyBin:

i had mythtv working fine just a few hours ago

[02:02:39]

DustyBin:

using the official deb packages

[02:02:48]

DustyBin:

but i wanted to see what svn was like

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xris:

ah

[02:03:21]

DustyBin:

ive heard there has been a lot of bug fixes

[02:03:28]

rooaus:

floppyears: My output and mixer device are set to "ALSA:default" if that helps.

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xris:

the easiest thing will be to install under /usr/local, since that's the default. and if it's the only thing you put there, it would be easy to clean out later if you want to

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DustyBin:

since the debian package

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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floppyears:

rooaus: yes, I have it setup to that

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floppyears:

rooaus: what other options do you have in that page ?

[02:05:36]

rooaus:

floppyears: I will check...

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floppyears:

thanks :)

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matrix:

hi

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rooaus:

I have pass though turned on (using spdif), mixer controls Master, use internal volume on

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matrix:

i want to capture the video composite in my pvr-500

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floppyears:

that was it

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floppyears:

Master

[02:08:53]

floppyears:

I was using the other one

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floppyears:

htanks a lot rooaus :)

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matrix:

how i can capture use the command cat /dev/video?

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rooaus:

I can't control my volume either, but that is because I am using spdif out.

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rooaus:

np

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matrix:

hi how can help me?

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matrix:

who can help me

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matrix:

help please

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rooaus:

matrix: Never done that, only use DVB-T here... but I think you can add the v4l (analog) part of supported cards as another device in mythtv-setup.

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floppyears:

matrix: just ask your question, and somebody who can help will probably answer

[02:12:29]

floppyears:

oh, sorry

[02:12:33]

floppyears:

I didn't see your question

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matrix:

ok

[02:12:39]

floppyears:

I just saw it

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matrix:

sorry i `m new

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** floppyears too **

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floppyears:

to this channel at least :)

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CharlieSu:

I just compiled trunk version of mythtv on ubuntu.. i did mythtv-setup and now I want to know how to start up the backend.. anyone?

[02:16:50]

CharlieSu:

i don't see anything in /etc/init.d

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floppyears:

CharlieSu: let me put mine in pastebin

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rooaus:

matrix: Have a look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-500

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GreyFoxx:

charlieS: the myth source doesn't install an init script. You generally have to make your own or look in the contrib directory to see if one is there

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GreyFoxx:

If you use one that someone gives you then you should verify the paths

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CharlieSu:

i didn't know that.. so contrib means contributions and people are nice and put stuff there?

[02:22:54]

GreyFoxx:

pretty much

[02:23:19]

CharlieSu:

can i use the stock ubuntu mythtv-frontend to connect to a trunk backend?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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floppyears:

no, it's best not to mix things like that

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floppyears:

CharlieSu: http://pastebin.com/m7d82fbb8 <- that's the script that I use to start it

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floppyears:

CharlieSu: you may have to change paths if your mythtv programs are not in /usr/local

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CharlieSu:

floppyears: do you use ubuntu ?

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blackest:

morning all any lirc experts around :)

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floppyears:

CharlieSu: yes, I use ubuntu and I compiled mythtv from source

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blackest:

i just managed to record my remote codes for a technomate 1500 ci (which wasnt done before)

[02:28:02]

blackest:

i wonder if anyone knows how i go about blasting them out

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CharlieSu:

floppyears: i have a headless server that runs mythbackend and a desktop frontened.. do both need SVN if the server is SVN?

[02:29:48]

floppyears:

yes

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floppyears:

CharlieSu: when you compile mythtv from source both things will get compiled the backend and frontend

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CharlieSu:

floppyears: yes.. thanks

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floppyears:

no problem

[02:33:23]

Aval0n_:

damn

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Aval0n_:

I finally got my res at 1280x720

[02:33:35]

Aval0n_:

and now it clips the top and bottom of my screen!

[02:33:38]

Aval0n_:

arrg!

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Aval0n_:

i see a little grey from the top bar and bottom bar in ubuntu

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rooaus:

Aval0n_: You can adjust the GUI in mythtv to have a different size to the video playback, that way menus and options aren't cutoff but the video still overscans.

[02:37:04]

CharlieSu:

floppyears: i keep getting 'could not connect to the master backend server'

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CharlieSu:

on my frontend desktop connection to my server

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floppyears:

CharlieSu: type: ps aux | grep myth

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floppyears:

and see if the backend is running

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CharlieSu:

root 29603 1.3 0.9 158712 9832 ? Ssl 16:38 0:00 /usr/local/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

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CharlieSu:

it is

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rooaus:

CharlieSu: Maybe your backend is binding to 127.0.0.1 and isn't available remotely (or firewall).

[02:45:09]

CharlieSu:

rooaus: i edit my mysqlconf for that.. how can i tell if backend is binded?

[02:45:13]

promacuser:

hey all, i'm running into a problem downloading channel info for my new and improved mythbox. i keep getting a "Temporary failure in name resolution" from mythfilldatabase, but i can ping the outside world. anyone know what gives?

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CharlieSu:

rooaus: is it something other than mysql that can do that?

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rooaus:

CharlieSu: In mythtv-setup, you specify the ip address that you will use for the backend. It defaults to 127.0.0.1 IIRC.

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CharlieSu:

k thanks

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promacuser:

does anyone know the ip of zap2it so i can try to ping them?

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tank-man:

i will not help you DDoS them

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CharlieSu:

neither will i..

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GreyFoxx:

you have got to be kidding

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promacuser:

ok, sorry, i didn't realize the protocol here.

[02:56:21]

promacuser:

i guess that does sound like something stupid to ask, though.

[02:56:27]

GreyFoxx:

No

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GreyFoxx:

I was referring to tank-man's comment

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promacuser:

oh

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xris:

promacuser: http://labs.zap2it.com

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xris:

:)

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tank-man:

GreyFoxx, i have some sarcasm detectors for sale if you want :)

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** xris is happy to be rid of zap2it.... **

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hatlevip:

me too

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tank-man:

it can also poke people in the eyes over the internet too

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GreyFoxx:

tank-man: after the day I've had I have nothing but crankiness going on :)

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xris:

hatlevip: oh?

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hatlevip:

why did fox lie to me about there being a packers game on tonight?

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tank-man:

lol, i read the first part of that sentence hatlevip and laughed

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** xris wonders how much crap he can give people who use TOS-violating xmltv grabbers... **

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tank-man:

"why did fox lie to me"

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hatlevip:

heh

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promacuser:

but seriously, i can't get the channel information. does anyone have any clues?

[02:58:53]

hatlevip:

i take it personally

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GreyFoxx:

promacuser: can you resolve other names from that box ?

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tank-man:

promacuser, did it work before?

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hatlevip:

xris, just happy about the schedulesdirect situation

[02:59:51]

xris:

hatlevip: ah.. then good. :) (I was referring to actually USING schedulesdirect)...

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promacuser:

it did work at one point tonight

[03:00:20]

xris:

we're actually pretty close to being ready to go, but the lawyers are being slow about getting the privacy policy and terms of use documents finalized.

[03:00:46]

xris:

and the mythtv patches seem to be pretty stable (only one kink that I saw, and it's apparently already been fixed)

[03:00:46]

hatlevip:

xris, when datadirect was announced i just wondered how long it would last, too much of a good thing and all

[03:01:13]

xris:

hatlevip: most of us thought that it would stay around for good.. sort of a pity. it's been a huge pain getting SD up and running.

[03:01:13]

GreyFoxx:

hatlevip: A couple years of free listings was pretty sweet and generous on their part though

[03:01:26]

promacuser:

GreyFoxx: no, it's not getting to anything right now

[03:01:28]

xris:

GreyFoxx: certainly.

[03:01:36]

hatlevip:

GreyFoxx, exactly. i

[03:01:54]

hatlevip:

xris, i can imagine

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GreyFoxx:

promacuser: Check the /etc/resolv.conf See if it's pointing to an invalid DNS server or something

[03:02:25]

promacuser:

GreyFoxx:

[03:02:27]

promacuser:

whoops

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hatlevip:

xris, is there going to be a way to use SD on old versions of myth? i don't remember seeing that answered officially

[03:02:30]

GreyFoxx:

xris: I'm happy the change over was as simple as it was. I was suprised how little patching it took :)

[03:02:34]

promacuser:

GreyFoxx: it's not pointing to anything right now

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GreyFoxx:

promacuser: Then of course DNS lookups would fail if you have no nameservers in the resolv.conf :)

[03:03:08]

GreyFoxx:

put in something valid :)

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hatlevip:

heh

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xris:

GreyFoxx: yeah. piece of cake for the app developers...

[03:03:43]

GreyFoxx:

xris: for now anyway ;)

[03:03:51]

xris:

I think daniel and I got the short end of the stick as far as workload went.. with Robert coming in pretty close behind me.

[03:04:04]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[03:04:19]

clever:

damnit

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hatlevip:

just impressive how fast you guys put something together

[03:04:23]

clever:

my recordings seem to be fryed

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GreyFoxx:

hours wise my part's been fairly light :)

[03:04:26]

clever:

cant see why

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xris:

hatlevip: officially, probably not. unofficially, it's just a URL, so it should be pretty easy for people to backport the patch.

[03:04:33]

clever:

i just get a black screen when playing

[03:04:45]

clever:

FUCK

[03:04:48]

clever:

tuner was off

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clever:

that explains it all

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hatlevip:

xris, we run our system on svn but i have friends who don't like to upgrade

[03:05:19]

hatlevip:

xris, so would be nice, but not a showstopper

[03:06:01]

xris:

hatlevip: there will definitely be a .20.2 release

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xris:

just nothing for .18, .19, etc

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hatlevip:

yeah, good enough imho

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promacuser:

GreyFoxx: it's alive!

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promacuser:

thanks

[03:06:25]

GreyFoxx:

np :) have fun

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clever:

the dead tuner also explains the black preview images in mythweb

[03:06:56]

clever:

and the oddly high free disk space

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hatlevip:

clever, free disk space?! what's that...

[03:07:29]

clever:

no way a show could fit in 75mb of disk space with mpeg4 :P

[03:08:22]

clever:

itll be a year or 2 before some of those shows hit reruns to get rerecorded

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hatlevip:

xris, you guys have a date for the sd rollout yet? i'm just hoping we can be running it before 9/1

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hatlevip:

but maybe that is my wishful thinking

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GreyFoxx:

it will be before Sept 1st

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hatlevip:

sweet

[03:12:49]

hatlevip:

that is good news

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xris:

hatlevip: we were shooting for the end of last week (meaning todayish)... but the lawyers have us on hold until at least the end of next.

[03:13:18]

xris:

we've started beta testing, though.

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CharlieSu:

I keep getting this w/ mythweb Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration

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hatlevip:

xris, yikes, damn legal mumbojumbo

[03:13:50]

hatlevip:

you wouldn'

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hatlevip:

happen to need anymore beta testers would you?

[03:15:09]

xris:

hatlevip: not really.. just finalizing the privacy policy, etc.

[03:15:22]

xris:

sorry, can't open the beta test outside of a pre-determined group.

[03:15:40]

hatlevip:

np, just anxious to start running it

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xris:

hatlevip: you want the kinks worked out first. :) I switched to using SD today and suddenly mythtv decided it didn't recognize anything I've ever recorded before.

[03:17:01]

xris:

luckily that's an easy fix.

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hatlevip:

luckily

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hatlevip:

been using myth since support for the pvr-250 was added an i'm happy to see this listings situation resolved so i can wait :)

[03:19:41]

hatlevip:

happy to hear that the beta testing is going well, your certainly going to have your code tested by quite a few people in the next few weeks

[03:20:27]

hatlevip:

will sd release data on number of subscribers at some point? i'd be interested to know how many na mythers there actually are

[03:20:54]

hatlevip:

but maybe that's against some policy or another...

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CharlieSu:

please look at this apache error for mythweb ??????????

[03:21:08]

CharlieSu:

http://pastebin.com/m196bf900

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hatlevip:

CharlieSu, does apache have read access to init.php?

[03:26:08]

ShiftyPowers:

anyone get an error when compiling that says cannot find -lqt-mt?

[03:26:13]

CharlieSu:

i figured it out.. thanks

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xris:

hatlevip: if it's within our power to do so, I'd love to be able to release that info. I suspect that once you are "our" subscribers (instead of Zap2it Labs') we should have no problem with that.

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone have any ideas when this is happening when compiling SVN?

[03:28:52]

ShiftyPowers:

http://www.pastebin.ca/662812

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hatlevip:

you don't have some development libraries installed

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ShiftyPowers:

which ones though?

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hatlevip:

ShiftyPowers, i can tell you the package in debian, what diestro are you using?

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ShiftyPowers:

feisty

[03:31:00]

ShiftyPowers:

so that would work

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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Ava:

I can not get a res to show up right on my plasma

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hatlevip:

ShiftyPowers, libqt3-headers, libqt3-mt, libqt3-mt-dev, libqt3-mt-mysql are what i have on my backend

[03:33:18]

Ava:

I've tried 1360x768, 1280x720

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Ava:

it's truncating on top and bottom a littke

[03:33:38]

Ava:

little* I can see the bottom of the top bar and the top of the bottom bar =(

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ShiftyPowers:

hatlevip, cool thanks

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Ava:

I'm just referring to the workspace

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ShiftyPowers:

installing now

[03:33:50]

Ava:

not mythtv

[03:33:51]

ShiftyPowers:

let's see if it works

[03:33:57]

Ava:

anyone have any ideas?

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ShiftyPowers:

worked like a charm

[03:34:01]

ShiftyPowers:

thanks man

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hatlevip:

ShiftyPowers, np

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hatlevip:

ShiftyPowers, if you have multiple machines and are compiling totally check out distcc

[03:35:21]

Ava:

=~( anyone *sniff sniff*

[03:35:21]

Ava:

:P

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hatlevip:

Ava, no plasma here but what do you mean truncating?

[03:35:54]

Ava:

it's cutting off the top and bottom a little

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hatlevip:

in myth you can change some overscan

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Ava:

I'm not referring to mythtv

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Ava:

this is just at the desktop

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ShiftyPowers:

cool thanks man

[03:36:22]

Ava:

=(

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hatlevip:

maybe you are using the wrong modeline

[03:36:46]

hatlevip:

what video card?

[03:36:47]

Ava:

I'm not even using modelines

[03:36:53]

Ava:

nvidia 7300gs

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Ava:

I tried modlines

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Ava:

but the standard config just had modes

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Dagmar:

Modelines are obsolete

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hatlevip:

have you checked out nvidia-settings?

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Ava:

no sir I have not

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hatlevip:

you can change overscan there

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hatlevip:

i believe

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Ava:

is it gui or no?

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hatlevip:

yep

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Ava:

thanks lemme check it out

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Ava:

reboot

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hatlevip:

i just don't understand why fox told me all day that they were going to have a packers game on and then i had america's most wanted instead

[03:42:29]

hatlevip:

can anyone explain that?

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Dagmar:

Your market didn't pay for the right to air it

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hatlevip:

Dagmar, what? so i can get a cubs game but no packers?

[03:47:41]

Dagmar:

I'm sorry, is there some reason I should care what you get to watch?

[03:47:47]

Dagmar:

If you have a problem with it, call your local affiliate

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Dagmar:

You wanted an explanation, I gave you one. Probably the right one, too.

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hatlevip:

just seems odd that they didn't air what they said they were going to

[03:48:38]

hatlevip:

but i guess is up to my local fox affiliate

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Dagmar:

AGain, if you don't like it, pick up the phone and call your affiliate station and complain to them

[03:48:53]

Dagmar:

THey'll probably tell you *why* they couldn't air it

[03:49:15]

Dagmar:

Like, around here, certain sports events can't be aired on the local stations unless all the seats for the game are sold out

[03:49:25]

Dagmar:

Sports francises are bitchy like that

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hatlevip:

i guess i'm just suprised that they think indianapolis is a market for the packers

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Dagmar:

Obviously it is if you were going to watch it

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hatlevip:

but there is no way i could go to that game

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hatlevip:

because my only guess is that's what they expect me to do

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Dagmar:

Call your affiliate

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Dagmar:

Arguing with me about it is a complete waste of time

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hatlevip:

just trying to understand

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Dagmar:

Well, you can continue the verbal masturbation of guessing wildly, or you can call you affiliate and ask

[04:01:53]

CharlieSu:

I just got the trunk version of mythtv and mythweb running.. I can click the ASX stream button and it will work. but the version above on the actual website isn't workign when i click play.. any ideas?

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xris:

CharlieSu: https?

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CharlieSu:

no..

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CharlieSu:

the picture comes up but when i click play it goes away..

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xris:

what do you mean by "version above"?

[04:07:19]

xris:

oh, on the details page.. the flash stuff.

[04:07:23]

xris:

you have flashplayer installed?

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CharlieSu:

yes..

[04:07:33]

xris:

version 9?

[04:07:43]

CharlieSu:

let me look.. on a mac

[04:07:45]

CharlieSu:

and ubuntu box

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xris:

ubuntu running the backend?

[04:08:03]

CharlieSu:

yes..

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xris:

and do you have a custom version of ffmpeg compiled for it, with mp3 support?

[04:08:11]

CharlieSu:

and differend ubuntu running frontend

[04:08:36]

CharlieSu:

xris: how can i tell?

[04:08:38]

xris:

there's a fair amount of info in the flv player ticket, as well as on the mailing lists.

[04:08:47]

xris:

CharlieSu: if you didn't compile it from source, it's not the right one.

[04:08:59]

CharlieSu:

xris: i did compile from source

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CharlieSu:

xris: from SVN

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xris:

that's why I won't release that particular feature until the backend does the encoding for flv

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xris:

CharlieSu: ffmpeg?

[04:09:19]

CharlieSu:

not sure if i used ffmpeg..

[04:09:27]

xris:

the flv encoding in mythweb uses ffmpeg

[04:09:29]

CharlieSu:

xris: so your saying ineed to compile ffmpeg from source

[04:09:32]

xris:

yeah

[04:09:32]

CharlieSu:

?

[04:09:41]

CharlieSu:

ok.. URL w/ instructions please?

[04:09:49]

xris:

search the mailing list archives... "mythweb flash ubuntu ffmpeg" in google should probably turn something up, too

[04:10:33]

CharlieSu:

xris: what is URL for mailing list archives?

[04:12:20]

xris:

CharlieSu: there are several... gossamer-threads is the main one, I think (google will have the url)

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xris:

sorry to skip out. 9:15 pm and I'm starved for dinner (or was it lunch?).

[04:14:38]

clever:

i have a problem with mythweb's flash plugin

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floppyears:

mythtv rocks !

[04:14:52]

clever:

i know the exact cause but cant fix it

[04:14:52]

clever:

ffmpeg seg faults trying to transcode the nuv's to flv

[04:16:03]

CharlieSu:

yeah..

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CharlieSu:

clever: how do i compile ffmpeg from source? URL w/ info?

[04:16:30]

clever:

same as compiling about anything from source

[04:16:49]

clever:

./configure;make;make install(after untaring)

[04:17:02]

CharlieSu:

clever: so do i have to grab th latest SVN version or something for it to work w/ mythweb?

[04:17:37]

clever:

i tryed that to fix my ffmpeg i think

[04:17:49]

clever:

and it didnt fix it

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clever:

if i remember right

[04:18:01]

clever:

one fix is to get rid of the crappy frame grabber card to stop using nuv format

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CharlieSu:

clever: what did you do to make it work?

[04:18:06]

clever:

but i dont have the money for that

[04:18:12]

clever:

i havent fixed it yet

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clever:

i only have 1 xp box and several linux's

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clever:

i just installed mythfrontends everywhere to get arround that problem:P

[04:19:26]

ShiftyPowers:

hatlevip, got another error cannot find -lGL

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ShiftyPowers:

any ideas?

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ShiftyPowers:

or anyone else?

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clever:

sounds like its looking for the opengl lib's

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah i never know what packages in feisty though

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ShiftyPowers:

such a pain

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clever:

i beleive -lGL would make it try to open libGLsomething

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clever:

and with apt-file i can search the filenames provided by packages

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clever:

alot of packages provide something containing libGL

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah

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clever:

you could get the same list with sudo apt-get install apt-file;sudo apt-file update

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clever:

then apt-file search libGL

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ShiftyPowers:

yeah did that

[04:23:52]

ShiftyPowers:

came back with a ton of names

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clever:

yeah

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ShiftyPowers:

:)

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Aval0n_:

still having probs

[04:24:33]

Aval0n_:

i have the res at 1280x720

[04:24:38]

Aval0n_:

and nvidia-settings are the same

[04:24:42]

Aval0n_:

and I have force scaling enabled

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Aval0n_:

but no change

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Aval0n_:

I'm about to go out of my mind with this thing

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CharlieSu:

So i compiled ffmpeg by source and it works but i have no sound when i play

[04:30:56]

clever:

mythweb by default sends all ffmpeg errors to /dev/null

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CharlieSu:

clever: ok? what can i do?

[04:31:35]

clever:

i had to edit the source to let them thru to stderr(which apache sent to error.log)

[04:31:35]

clever:

i forget which file it was

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clever:

xris: might be able to find it faster

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CharlieSu:

xris: i have flash working but no sound? any ideas?

[04:35:52]

ShiftyPowers:

crap, can't find the damn libraries

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floppyears:

quick question

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floppyears:

I'm using the program guide to find out what's on, but I can't seem to select a show to watch

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floppyears:

whenever I press enter or ok, it goes into the recording options

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floppyears:

instead of taking me to the channel :(

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Aval0n_:

floppy

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Aval0n_:

do you run linux on an lcd or plasma?

[04:43:36]

floppyears:

Aval0n_: my debian server doesn't have a monitor

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floppyears:

and my mythtv box is connected to a sd tv

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floppyears:

my main desktop is a mac book pro

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Aval0n_:

ahh ok

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CharlieSu:

i got it all figured out.. this is sweet

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CharlieSu:

love it!

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floppyears:

yes, mythtv rocks

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Aval0n_:

at least someone is having good luck

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floppyears:

it didn't come easy though, it took me a long time to get it to this point :(

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xris:

CharlieSu: I take it that you got sound working?

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tank-man:

floppyears, there is an option to jump to the channel when you pick it

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tank-man:

or press x i think

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CharlieSu:

xris: yes i did.. lame in ffmpeg

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CharlieSu:

xris: thanks man..

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CharlieSu:

i love trunk

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xris:

heh

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xris:

I can't wait until the backend can encode the files itself.. then we can skip commercials, etc.

[05:04:18]

CharlieSu:

yes.. i agree. weird.. did SVN comiple on my desktop and I can't get the frontend on my desktop to talk w/ my backend on my server

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CharlieSu:

sucks

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xris:

version mismatch?

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xris:

did you remove the old version before compiling svn?

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CharlieSu:

2007-08–19 00:03:33.681 This app was compiled against libmyth version: 0.20.20070717–1

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CharlieSu:

yes

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CharlieSu:

but the library is version: 0.20.20060828–3

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CharlieSu:

don't know what to do

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xris:

looks like you didn't get all of the old mythtv removed first

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CharlieSu:

xris: how can i do that?

[05:07:06]

xris:

did you have packages before?

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CharlieSu:

xris: i did default ubunut mythtv from apt-get

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xris:

I think: dpkg -l | grep -i myth

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xris:

that first one is an ell

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xris:

I don't know the deb tools very well

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xris:

but that should hopefully list all installed packages that contain "myth" in the name

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CharlieSu:

yeah.. it does.. so then uninstall?

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floppyears:

tank-man: thanks

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CharlieSu:

charlie@charlie-desktop:~$ dpkg -l|grep -i myth

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CharlieSu:

ii libmyth-0.20 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 Common library code for MythTV and add-on mo

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CharlieSu:

ii mythtv-common 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 A personal video recorder application (commo

[05:10:06]

CharlieSu:

rc mythtv-frontend 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 A personal video recorder application (clien

[05:10:09]

CharlieSu:

rc ubuntu-mythtv-frontend 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 Metapackage to setup and configure a "Fronte

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xris:

CharlieSu: please don't paste that many lines

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xris:

if you have stuff in the list, then you obviously didn't delete all of the mythtv stuff before compiling trunk. just remove them and recompile.

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CharlieSu:

k

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Aval0n_:

xris do you run any linux machines on a plasma or lcd?

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xris:

Aval0n_: not a tv, no... though I have.

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Aval0n_:

hmm

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Aval0n_:

I am having overscan issues

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Aval0n_:

I have the res set to 1280x720

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Aval0n_:

and it's cutting off the top and bottom

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xris:

that's how TV works

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Aval0n_:

i did force scaling in nvidia-settings too

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Aval0n_:

how can I fix it?

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Aval0n_:

=(

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xris:

only a handful of TVs have a no-overscan mode

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xris:

mythtv has some UI-offset options

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Aval0n_:

so there is no way to fix it?

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xris:

it's not broken

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xris:

it's a tv. overscan is built into how TVs work.

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xris:

even digital ones

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Aval0n_:

well the menu bar is like gone

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Aval0n_:

except the very top

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Aval0n_:

like unusable even

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xris:

some tvs have a "pc mode" that you can get into that doesn't overscan, but if none of the modes listed in the manual (or detected via X, or whatever) work, then that's just how your tv is.

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xris:

what do you need the menu bar for mythtv for?

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Aval0n_:

I don't I guess

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Aval0n_:

but I was gonna have my wife use the web browser on it too

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xris:

mythtv has a browser

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xris:

but that's sort of beyond my point.. you'll just have to poke at things to see if you can find one that works. It's not like there are that many resolutions to choose from...

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Aval0n_:

only 2 with hdmi

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Aval0n_:

for me

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xris:

should be 3.. HD resolutions, and then native res (if it's an lcd)

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Aval0n_:

1366x768, 1028x720, 800x600

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Aval0n_:

it's a plasma

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Aval0n_:

I wish I knew how to get into the service menu

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xris:

Aval0n_: yeah. and then only a handful of frequencies. it's not that hard to try.

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xris:

and it's 1280x720 for HD

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Aval0n_:

right

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sphery:

Kevorkian: Yes. Still ending. Your subscription is extended, but the service isn't. :)

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xris:

Kevorkian: zap2it is not going away. zap2it labs free tv listings are. read the topic.

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Kevorkian:

ok .. I was wondering if something changed .. thats all ..

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Kevorkian:

I would have thunk that they would add an "end date no latter then" type thing

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floppyears:

Kevorkian: in the homepage where you login there's a notice about them stopping the free service

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xris:

Kevorkian: more likely they just don't want to put in the wasted effort to avoid those messages when they're going to turn the whole thing off in a couple of weeks.

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Kevorkian:

floppyears, I got my renew email .. went to the link .. and renewed .. and no notice .. thats the only reason I was aksing

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xris:

Kevorkian: there really isn't anyone working at Labs anymore.. I think things are pretty much on automatic.

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ReKlipz:

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maelstrom:

what are the minimum specs for a mythtv machine ? (is there a url for this)

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Anduin:

maelstrom: It depends on what you are going to use it for.

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maelstrom:

just watching tv and taping shows i guess.

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Anduin:

SD?

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maelstrom:

(does that stand for standard definition?) if so yes

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Anduin:

maelstrom: With one of the hardware encoding cards you can get away with a very minimal machine (my slowest is a PIII/1GHz, up from an 866)

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maelstrom:

video card or tv tuner card ?

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Anduin:

That is with a few of the ivtv x50 cards, very old nvidia card as well.

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maelstrom:

this is what I already have: Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150

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maelstrom:

i have found that it is very difficult to set up mythtv in an existing linux installation so i am debating whether to set up a new box and install a distribution with mythtv preloaded, or just get rid of the tv tuner

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Anduin:

maelstrom: Which distribution are you using?

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doje:

maelstrom: are you setting up client/server or a single machine?

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maelstrom:

i use fedora 7

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Anduin:

maelstrom: atrpms?

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maelstrom:

single machine. i guess

[06:41:01]

maelstrom:

yes i attempted to do it via atrpms

[06:41:22]

maelstrom:

something didn't work along the way and i gave up a long time ago. i don't remember what the specific issue is

[06:41:33]

maelstrom:

but school is about to start again and i don't think i have time to try to sort it out

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doje:

maelstrom: I have a client / server setup. The server has 4 PVR-150's, it's a celeron 2.5 GHz with 512MB ram

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floppyears:

hi guys

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maelstrom:

hm. never heard of doing it that way. and you have it connected to 4 tvs in 4 rooms ?

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floppyears:

I'm running into the following problem: my sound and video are stuttery

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floppyears:

and the logs say: WriteAudio: buffer underrun and NVP: prebuffering pause

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floppyears:

has anyone heard of this before ?

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doje:

maelstrom: mainly just one tv, but you can do PIP and/or record multiple programs

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maelstrom:

oh i see

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doje:

as long as you have a card with hardware mpeg encoding, like the 150, the machine requirements aren't much

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maelstrom:

okay. especially if you can do all that with 512 mb and that cpu

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doje:

truth be told, it could use some more RAM I think =P

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maelstrom:

well i have an extra 512 stick, so i'll take my chances =)

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doje:

with just one card I think you'll be fine

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floppyears:

if you can afford it, I would suggest going with 2

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floppyears:

it's nice to be able to watch a show while another one records

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maelstrom:

well i don't really watch that much tv, and i already have this card i'm not using

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maelstrom:

i see on wikipedia there are several os's that have mythtv preloaded: knoppmyth, mythdora, mythbuntu. any recommendations ?

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maelstrom:

if they're interchangable i guess i'd go with mythdora, since i already use fedora.

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doje:

I use openSUSE 10.2, which doesn't seem to work "out of the box" so to speak

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maelstrom:

i'm basically looking for, pop in the cd, hit a few buttons, and it works automatically

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doje:

I have to manually compile ivtv and lirc

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ReKlipz:

is there any way i can view which tuner is doing what?

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ReKlipz:

ie, how can i be sure that a recording is actually being recorded?

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doje:

maelstrom: have you tried knoppix ?

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maelstrom:

i've used knoppix before yes

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doje:

ReKlipz: you can watch it :) to go media library and you should see it there

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Anduin:

There is also the http status page

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Anduin:

and the status page

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doje:

ReKlipz: in "System Information" there's a tuner status

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ReKlipz:

awesome

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ReKlipz:

it says that tuner 1 is watching live TV

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ReKlipz:

thats the only tuner i have

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ReKlipz:

and i want it to be recording

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doje:

ReKlipz: mythtv records everything – even live tv

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xris:

ReKlipz: so stop watching livetv

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ReKlipz:

im not...

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ReKlipz:

whenever i go to watch

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ReKlipz:

it says: mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected

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ReKlipz:

if you want to watch an in-progress recording

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ReKlipz:

select one from the play back menu

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doje:

that's the media library

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ReKlipz:

if you want to watch live tv, cancel one of the in-progress recordings from the delete menu

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ReKlipz:

hmm

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ReKlipz:

ok, in the media lib

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ReKlipz:

goto watch recordings

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ReKlipz:

ok, there

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doje:

right

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doje:

it should be a different color

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ReKlipz:

it doesnt show the one im currently recording

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doje:

if it's recording

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doje:

are you viewing "All Programs" ?

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ReKlipz:

yep

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ReKlipz:

i started the recording after the show started, does that matter?

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doje:

no

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doje:

you hit the record button and it displayed "Recorded show name"

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doje:

?

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ReKlipz:

im using my keyboard

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doje:

so "R" i think ?

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ReKlipz:

all i did was add a new recording

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ReKlipz:

oh...

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ReKlipz:

i manually searched for it

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ReKlipz:

under manage recordings

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doje:

ah

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doje:

so you weren't watching it

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ReKlipz:

nope

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doje:

I would think it would be in recorded programs somewhere

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ReKlipz:

what happens if i dont have that channel and i try to record?

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ReKlipz:

(im using a firewire 6200)

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doje:

I don't know with that setup

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doje:

I'm using LIRC to IR blast Dishnet boxes, so it records whatever the box does

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ReKlipz:

ah ok

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doje:

how's your setup?

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ReKlipz:

just a motorola 6200

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ReKlipz:

thru firewire

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ReKlipz:

using point 2 point

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ReKlipz:

just messing with it right now

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ReKlipz:

first time using this

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doje:

what's your source? sat, cable, antenna ?

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ReKlipz:

digital cable

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ReKlipz:

from cox

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doje:

is there a box from cox or just the 6200 ?

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ReKlipz:

thats the box from cox

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ReKlipz:

its a set top box

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doje:

ah

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ReKlipz:

but thats it

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Kevorkian:

<ReKlipz> what happens if i dont have that channel and i try to record? <--- most likely an hour of the "please call 1-800-rape-me to subscribe" screen

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ReKlipz:

ahh

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ReKlipz:

so at least some video content then

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Kevorkian:

depends on what your box outputs

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Kevorkian:

might just be a blank screen

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ReKlipz:

i know when i watch it on tv in mah basements, it tells me i dont have the chan

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Kevorkian:

but most cable companys put up some screen to tell you how to buy the chan

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ReKlipz:

and not just no signal

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doje:

that's what Dish does – some channels jam up the IR too :\

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Kevorkian:

you have more then one basement ?

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ReKlipz:

its like the internets

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ReKlipz:

:P

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Kevorkian:

well .. in reality there is more then one internet

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ReKlipz:

yes there is

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ReKlipz:

damn

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ReKlipz:

i think i need to try a firewire primer script instead of just a channel changer

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ReKlipz:

and no, i inly have one basement =(

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ReKlipz:

when i use mythtv with my 6200 with broadcast mode, what are these startup/shutdown scripts that everyone refers to? people say to add commands to them to stabilize the firewire, how do i do this?

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xris:

ReKlipz: I run firewire-tester a few times in a loop at boot

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xris:

/usr/local/bin/firewire_tester -B -P 1 -n $FIREWIRE_PORT

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ReKlipz:

do you also have to run plugctl to setup the port?

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xris:

no, fedora does all of that for me

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ReKlipz:

hmm

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ReKlipz:

so are you running p2p or bcast?

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xris:

one of each

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ReKlipz:

hmm

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ReKlipz:

and you dont have to mess with channels?

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xris:

nope

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ReKlipz:

(chan 63 for bcast)

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ReKlipz:

hmm, ok

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xris:

btw, that command will test both p2p and broadcast mode together.

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ReKlipz:

bcast deff works better

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Aval0n_:

this damned ubuntu install is killing me, my tv supports 1366x768 but the most it's giving me is 1280x720 and it's flippin overscaled horribe

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ReKlipz:

i get sync failed sometimes with p2p

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Aval0n_:

horrible*

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xris:

depends on the individual hardware/setup.. doesn't hurt to "prime" both modes, though.

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xris:

Aval0n_: have to find the right modelines...

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xris:

have you tried just running `X -configure` ?

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ReKlipz:

Aval0n_: did you check if it was in xorg.conf?

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ReKlipz:

xris: do you watch mythtv on ur backend box?

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xris:

just a single box

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xris:

and occasionally I cut commercials on my workstation.

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ReKlipz:

hmm, do you watch HD content?

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xris:

not really

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xris:

no hdtv

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ReKlipz:

ah ok

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Aval0n_:

xris

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Aval0n_:

"1360x768" 84.50 1360 1392 1712 1744 768 783 791 807

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Aval0n_:

is the modeline I've tried under the monitors section

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xris:

you try just "1360x768" ?

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Aval0n_:

yes

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xris:

or at the most, 60 hz.

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xris:

have you tried my other suggestion?

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Aval0n_:

which?

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xris:

ReKlipz: why?

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xris:

Aval0n_: X -configure

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Aval0n_:

i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

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Aval0n_:

that's all

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xris:

Aval0n_: try mine. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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xris:

it's usually worth a try, though.

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Aval0n_:

try your what?

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xris:

X -configure

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ReKlipz:

why about the HD?

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xris:

as in, run the command

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Aval0n_:

ok

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Aval0n_:

brb

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xris:

ReKlipz: I've messed with HD. just don't have any use for it at home.

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ReKlipz:

i was just wondering because i wanted to mess with HD

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ReKlipz:

i was wondering if it automatically realized it was HD

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xris:

not sure what the difference would be.

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ReKlipz:

resolution

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xris:

myth is aware of resolution, frame rate, and when they change (since they do mid-signal sometimes)

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doje:

and aspect ratio

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xris:

doje: that, too, thx.

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doje:

:)

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ReKlipz:

hmm

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ReKlipz:

this is a little strange

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maelstrom:

another question ... how big a hard drive should i get for my mythtv box ?

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xris:

maelstrom: as big as you can afford?

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xris:

maelstrom: sort of depends on what you'll be doing with it.

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maelstrom:

oh sorry.... minimum necessary :)

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xris:

maelstrom: 20G

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xris:

I have a 120G in mine. I record and archive anything I want to my file server.

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ReKlipz:

you wont be able to record many videos

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xris:

maelstrom: minimum necessary is zero. you can record to a network share.

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maelstrom:

okay. let me rephrase. how much space does an hour of recording take up

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xris:

it really depends on what you intend to record — how much, what resolution, etc.

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maelstrom:

(normal quality, not HD)

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xris:

maelstrom: again, not the right question. takes anywhere from 5 megs to 10 gigs per hour

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xris:

it's all configurable.

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maelstrom:

okay, so at most 10 gigs per hour. so 100 gigs should be plenty if i'm not planning to hold a lot of stuff on that box

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xris:

but if you want some averages.. low quality would be about 300–400 megs per hour.. decent quality SD would be about 1.5 gigs per hour.

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doje:

I run about 2 gb per hour for SD and it looks about as good as it can

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maelstrom:

what format do the recordings come in ? do you have to reprocess / compress them when you are done recording ?

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doje:

maelstrom: you can also record different programs at different qualities if you want

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doje:

maelstrom: I set animated programs down lower and they look the same

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xris:

maelstrom: that also depends a whole bunch of different things.. mainly, your tuner card...

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xris:

maelstrom: what country are you in, and do you plan to record an analog or digital signal (air, cable, satellite)

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ReKlipz:

what tv format should i pick

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ReKlipz:

NTSC or ATSC

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xris:

ReKlipz: are you recording ntsc (sd) or atsc (HD)?

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maelstrom:

tv tuner: Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150, i am in the usa, recording off my cable tv

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xris:

maelstrom: analog cable?

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ReKlipz:

xris: my STB outputs both

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maelstrom:

yes

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ReKlipz:

theres HD channels and non HD channels

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xris:

maelstrom: then your files will come in as mpeg2 files... easily exportable (I recommend nuvexport — I wrrote it, and it's what most people use)

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ReKlipz:

i wonder how hard it would be to create dedicated mpeg2 and mpeg4 decoding cards

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ReKlipz:

or usb sticks

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doje:

xris: how hard would it be be to pull the VBI CC from a recording ?

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xris:

ReKlipz: considering that both of those refer to about a dozen standards each.... but they already have them

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xris:

doje: I think mythtv already does that.

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doje:

xris: I mean to dump it to a file

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floppyears:

quick quesiton

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xris:

doje: oh, no clue there.

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floppyears:

I'm watching live tv right now, I click on pause

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floppyears:

but I get repeated logs of: WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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floppyears:

what's causing this ?

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** xris grins.. finally got blackberry to show up in vmware. **

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xris:

floppyears: quick guess: slow processor or slow disk

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doje:

xris: nice. i was messing with vmware a while a go

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ReKlipz:

woot: broadcast ROCKS

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xris:

ReKlipz: you get all of your SD channels?

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drindt:

hey good morning guys, i read currently the faq about mythtv and iam in the section for questions about remote control and ir and can see that hauppauge pvr 150 contains a ir device so can i use this in mythtv?

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ReKlipz:

i just tried a channel, and backend tossed an error

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ReKlipz:

why is it that when i try certain channels, it just craps out?

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xris:

drindt: mythtv just uses lirc (the same as just about everything else in linux).. so if it works with lirc, it'll work with mythtv.

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xris:

I think that particular one works, but I do know that they occasionally change chipsets, so you might want to google around to make sure.

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drindt:

xris: generally is a lirc supportet ir device supported by mythtv right?

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xris:

drindt: mythtv doesn't touch the IR devices. it just talks to lirc

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drindt:

xris: ah ok then i know what is to do

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drindt:

xris: thanks

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drindt:

someone can tell me how big can be a mysql database which is using from mythtv?

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ReKlipz:

can be as big as your hdd can hold

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ReKlipz:

databases can get HUGE

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xris:

drindt: depends on how many channels you have, how much old data, whether you have any plugins (liike mythmusic) installed, etc....

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ReKlipz:

span multiple clusters

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xris:

mine's 81 megs

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drindt:

iam a moderate user no approximate values known?

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xris:

drindt: expect somewhere in the range of 40–100 megs

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xris:

probably not much bigger

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drindt:

i plan to run my myth system from a flash card

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drindt:

4GB is planned

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xris:

drindt: run mysql on another box

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xris:

ok, just optimized the db down to 72M

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drindt:

xris: i can modify the table structure to compressed later i think

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ReKlipz:

xris: for some reason, when i try to change to a channel that i dont have(or something like that), live tv just dies, and when i try to watch tv again, it just dies (like its trying to view the same bad channel)

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ReKlipz:

i have to use a terminal to do "6200ch xx" to a channel that i know works, rigth after doing "watch tv"

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ReKlipz:

isnt it supposed to go back to the last good channel so i dont have to do that?

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xris:

drindt: not without breaking mythtv...

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xris:

drindt: you're better off just running a remote backend with mysql and your storage.

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floppyears:

xris: thanks for the quick guess :) my processor is: an amd athlon 64 dual core 3800+ and the disk is a 500gb seagata sata 3.0Gb/s and 16MB cache

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floppyears:

xris: I thought that would be fast enough for mythtv :(

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ReKlipz:

floppyears: its not?

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ReKlipz:

floppyears: im running an 32bit AMD Athlon Xp 3200+ with a 120GB SATA hdd, works like a champ

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xris:

floppyears: could be a bogus error?

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floppyears:

I'm getting WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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ReKlipz:

how much RAM do you have?

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floppyears:

and NVP: prebuffering pause

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floppyears:

1GB

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floppyears:

DDR2

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ReKlipz:

vid card and cap card?

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ReKlipz:

or.. audio card?

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ReKlipz:

sounds like ur running out of space in mem somewhere

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ReKlipz:

but i have no idea

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xris:

floppyears: are you getting jumpy audio/video?

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floppyears:

the vid card is msi 7300le with 128mb

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xris:

some of those errors just happen

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floppyears:

xris: about an ahr ago, I was having problems

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floppyears:

I had paused a show

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floppyears:

and the video and audio were choppy :(

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floppyears:

I can't seem to reproduce it now

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floppyears:

I'm trying to figure out what caused it :(

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ReKlipz:

xris: do you know about the tv out RF jack on the 6200?

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ReKlipz:

wil lthat display whatever is being displayed on the firewire? (or any other vid out)

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xris:

ReKlipz: never heard of an rf jack output on a video card before.

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xris:

oh, sorry, cable box...

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ReKlipz:

tis on the 6200 set top box

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xris:

was thinking nvidia. I need to sleep.

[08:06:26]

xris:

anyway, yeah. firewire, rf, composite, etc.. will all show the same data

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ReKlipz:

okies, will use that to debug or something

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ReKlipz:

i wonder what happens if i create a firewire loop on my computer...

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floppyears:

thanks for all your help today xris

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xris:

ReKlipz: it will explode.

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ReKlipz:

omg really

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xris:

honestly, I have no idea. I think it just gets confused.. might have to reboot, but probably just unplug things

[08:08:57]

ReKlipz:

yeah

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ReKlipz:

tis prolly like a network loop

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ReKlipz:

hmm, it seems as though, when i try to go to a channel i dont have, it just outputs black

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ReKlipz:

and mythtv doesnt like that

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xris:

ReKlipz: yup

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xris:

you need to figure out which channels you get, and remove the rest from mythtv

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ReKlipz:

it wont even let me change to another channel once i do that (if im in the EPG)

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doje:

ReKlipz: my Dish boxes do the same thing

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ReKlipz:

i have to do the whole, "watch tv" then real quick switch to a term and change the chan manually

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ReKlipz:

maybe ill look at the source and modify it so that i can continue to use the EPG?

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xris:

ReKlipz: yeah, kind of buggy. thought they fixed that shortly after .20, though

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ReKlipz:

would that be useful?

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ReKlipz:

oh

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ReKlipz:

ok

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ReKlipz:

very neat

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ReKlipz:

im honestly looking at making a real cheap open source mpeg2 or 4 vid decoder

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xris:

ReKlipz: hardware? but they already exist.

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xris:

and they can't be cheap. you have to pay fraunhofer, or whoever it is that owns the spec

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ReKlipz:

xris:

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ReKlipz:

http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literatur . . . /sti7100.pdf

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ReKlipz:

theres the spec

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ReKlipz:

for an HD decoder IC by ST

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ReKlipz:

but it looks a tad more in depth than i had though

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ReKlipz:

thought

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ReKlipz:

has SATA for some reason

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ReKlipz:

i just want a stand alone chip, not a whole processor with all the goodies

[08:22:20]

ReKlipz:

thats close to what i want though, just has a built in proc for embedded solutions

[08:22:26]

ReKlipz:

which would be cool, if i was making a set top box

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floppyears:

sometimes auto-skip works for commercials, but other times I have to do it manually by pressing the skip button

[08:23:23]

floppyears:

any clues as to why ?

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ReKlipz:

does anyone know how i can tell if XvMC is actually working?

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ReKlipz:

when viewing, the audio is completely fine, but the video is jerky

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xris:

anyway, long past time for me to crash.

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xris:

ReKlipz: I have bad luck with xvmc. better without it.

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ReKlipz:

its still jerky without it

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ReKlipz:

so i thought id try it

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ReKlipz:

(kinda why im going on about an mpeg2 card)

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ReKlipz:

http://www.nxp.com/#/pip/cb=[type=product,pat . . . AA7201_3][0]

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ReKlipz:

interestingly, my X was using nv instead of nvidia

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ReKlipz:

aha fucking AWESOME

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ReKlipz:

sorry for the language

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ReKlipz:

omg it runs so much FASTER now

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DustyBin:

is juski around?

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Anduin:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

juski was last seen 1 day 17 hours 7 minutes 46 seconds ago

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DustyBin:

i just want to know if juski compiles his svn into: /usr/local

[09:25:51]

DustyBin:

because he uses ubuntu similar to debian what i use

[09:26:16]

DustyBin:

im really scared about breaking my system..

[09:30:01]

rooaus:

DustyBin: Using ubuntu on a test system here and using /usr/local. The good thing is all the packaged software uses /usr so it is easy to completely clean the system.

[09:31:25]

DustyBin:

right i see

[09:31:50]

DustyBin:

last night i tried to compile to /opt but had lots of linking problems when i tried to run myth-setup etc

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DustyBin:

nothing would work

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rooaus:

DustyBin: If you are worried about breaking things use checkinstall.

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DustyBin:

but checkinstall is in unstable?

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DustyBin:

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/checkinstall

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DustyBin:

maybe i could try it..

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rooaus:

Sorry, thought you said you used ubuntu.

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DustyBin:

no i use debian, ubuntu is based on debian so i thought things might be similar

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DustyBin:

before i install the mythtv svn, ive done: apt-get build-dep mythtv

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rooaus:

Doesn't matter you can manually remove myth if you need to without any real dramas.

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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DustyBin:

so maybe i could download the mythtv svn to /usr/local/src

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DustyBin:

and compile to /usr/local

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rooaus:

Sounds like a good plan :)

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DustyBin:

im scared, but ill try it anyway

[09:35:58]

DustyBin:

my system is clean from mythtv before i do this

[09:36:08]

DustyBin:

but the mythtv-deps are installed

[09:36:20]

DustyBin:

so here i go.. this is the first time ive ever done a svn compile

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rooaus:

DustyBin: You wont break anything, and if you "make install" you can always "make uninstall" if things go pear shaped.

[09:37:04]

DustyBin:

ok :-)

[09:37:17]

DustyBin:

this is the first thing im doing: cd /usr/local/src

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DustyBin:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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rooaus:

DustyBin: That will checkout the myth source into /usr/local/src

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rooaus:

use "svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv mythtv" or similar

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DustyBin:

its ok i made the directory mythtv first

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DustyBin:

im going to configure it with:

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DustyBin:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --arch=athlon-i686 --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmcw --enable-xvmc-pro --enable-xvmc-opengl --enable-opengl-vsync

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DustyBin:

typo

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rooaus:

DustyBin: I would add the processor optimizations as well

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DustyBin:

im not quite sure what i would use with:

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DustyBin:

--tune=CPU tune instruction usage for a particular CPU [generic]

[09:42:34]

DustyBin:

--cpu=CPU selects the minimum cpu required (affects instruction selection, may crash on older CPUs)

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rooaus:

DustyBin: Don't spec that manually, use (I am checking)...

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DustyBin:

i see, just add those in

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DustyBin:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --arch=athlon-i686 --tune=CPU --cpu=CPU --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmcw --enable-xvmc-pro --enable-xvmc-opengl --enable-opengl-vsync

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rooaus:

use --enable-proc-opt

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DustyBin:

what does that mean?

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rooaus:

unless the configure isn't detecting you architecture properly you dont need the others

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rooaus:

based on your other options try: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-proc-opt --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmcw --enable-xvmc-pro --enable-xvmc-opengl --enable-opengl-vsync

[09:45:39]

DustyBin:

ok ill try that now

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DustyBin:

ok it looks ok

[09:47:05]

DustyBin:

a list come down with lots of 'yes' on it, including

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rooaus:

DustyBin: Once compiled you will need to install before building the plugins. And dont forget to add /usr/local/lib to your /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig

[09:47:07]

DustyBin:

CPU x86_32 (model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz)

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rooaus:

DustyBin: Check that list carefully, if a dependency is not met the configure will disable stuff.

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DustyBin:

ok, i wont touch the plugins yet

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DustyBin:

ill list the ones what say 'no'

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DustyBin:

DistCC no

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DustyBin:

big-endian no

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DustyBin:

CMOV is fast no

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rooaus:

DustyBin: Try the pastebin

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DustyBin:

Apple Remote no

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rooaus:

http://pastebin.ca/

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DustyBin:

ok

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rooaus:

just copy the text into there and then post the url back here

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DustyBin:

http://pastebin.ca/BcuDgBwz

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rooaus:

It's encrypted?

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DustyBin:

yes

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DustyBin:

ill do it again

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DustyBin:

http://pastebin.ca/663142

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rooaus:

Didn't even know you could encrypt a pastebin... lol

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DustyBin:

the reason i done it because i dont like it pastebins being searchable via google

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DustyBin:

but ive set expire time this time

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DustyBin:

the only thing that concerns me is

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DustyBin:

#

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DustyBin:

XvMC OpenGL sup. no

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DustyBin:

ive turned on all the xvmc options, but it still says no to that?

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rooaus:

DustyBin: You planning on doing HD?

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DustyBin:

no

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rooaus:

I think you would be OK without xvmc, it can complicate things a bit. I have a amd64 3000 and no probs here.

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DustyBin:

ok

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rooaus:

Are you using dvb? If not disable it as the compile will be a bit faster.

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DustyBin:

im using dvb yes here in UK

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rooaus:

np

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rooaus:

Seems ok then, give it a whirl.

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DustyBin:

dam i was root when i downloaded the svn and done the ./configure

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DustyBin:

hope that doesnt matter..

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DustyBin:

i should of stayed as mythtv user until i done the final make install

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rooaus:

DustyBin: Just "sudo chown -R mythtv /usr/local/src/mythtv" if you are worried

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DustyBin:

ok ill start again

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DustyBin:

its making as the mythtv user

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DustyBin:

im scared

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** DustyBin thinking about 2 days work of reinstalling the whole system **

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rooaus:

dude you wont do anything that cant be undone

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DustyBin:

rooaus: what does '/usr/local/lib to your /etc/ld.so.conf' mean?

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directhex:

doesn't ld implicitly do /lib, /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib?

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DustyBin:

i havent a clue

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rooaus:

directhex: i had to add it on my test install that is ubuntu, i was surprised by that too.

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DustyBin:

ok so that just tells ld where to find your libs

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rooaus:

DustyBin: it is so the apps can find the shared libs

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DustyBin:

my /etc/ld.so.conf just says: include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf

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DustyBin:

and inside /etc/ld.so.conf.d i have : i486-linux-gnu.conf

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Dagmar:

So find a file that looks good in /etc/ld.so.conf.d and add /usr/local/lib to it

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Dagmar:

That one will probably do

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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directhex:

or add to /etc/ld.so.conf

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directhex:

or write your own file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d

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rooaus:

DustyBin: Either way is good, personal preference really.

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DustyBin:

my i486-linux-gnu.conf just says: /lib/i486-linux-gnu + /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu so ill add it to that

[10:18:24]

DustyBin:

do i need to stop and restart anything for my changes to be recongnized ?

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rooaus:

run ldconfig

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

i dont think my mythtv box has ever worked so hard

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rooaus:

DustyBin: Yeah, if I compile on my laptop with it on my lap, well lets say it gets pretty hot. :)

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DustyBin:

ive never seen my myth box cpu reach 65% before

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rooaus:

directhex: I removed /usr/local/lib from /etc/ld.so.conf and no dice, maybe it is an ubuntu thing (wouldn't surprise me). Like you I thought /usr/local/lib was implicitly included.

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alunt2003:

rooaus: Did you run 'ldconfig' after editing ld.so.conf?

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DustyBin:

i just did, im just about to: make install :-S

[10:33:25]

rooaus:

alunt2003: Yeah, I am going to look into it, seems weird.

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DustyBin:

its done! i have now compiled mythtv svn on my debian etch box

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DustyBin:

..time to run mythtv-setup

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DustyBin:

it worked!!

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rooaus:

Ah pays to read the manual rather than assume... man page for ldconfig says "in the file /etc/ld.so.conf, and in the trusted directories (/usr/lib and /lib)" lol

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rooaus:

DustyBin: Cool

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DustyBin:

svn is working ok so far :-)

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DustyBin:

thanks for your help guys

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DustyBin:

channel scanning with the new nova-t drivers is now rock solid

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DustyBin:

'Storage Directories' ive never seen this before

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drindt:

is it an advantage for mythtv to use a dual core cpu? iam not sure how transcode is using from mythtv and possibly can transcode use some advantage from 2 cores?

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DustyBin:

yes it is if you compile svns all the time

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drindt:

DustyBin: svn from myth? or transcode?

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DustyBin:

svn from myth

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drindt:

DustyBin: can you get me some details what expecially use pthreads now (in svn)?

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DustyBin:

how do i do that?

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drindt:

DustyBin: i cant find informations in the changelog

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DustyBin:

erm.. :-S

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Cry_wolf2:

DustyBin: New drivers ? Have a PCI Nova-T and that sounded nice. Don´t have a lot of issues though.

[11:14:05]

rooaus:

drindt: You could check the source out via svn.

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drindt:

rooaus: ok i will take a loog

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drindt:

s/loog/look

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DustyBin:

jesus hell

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DustyBin:

this just popped up on my shell

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DustyBin:

'Super Robot Monkey Team Adventure series about Chiro and his team of multi-coloured monkeys as they defend their home, Shuggazoom City, from the Skeleton King' vs. 'Super Robot Monkey Team Adventure series about Chiro and his team of multi-coloured monkeys as they defend their home, Shuggazoo'

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DustyBin:

for some reason mythtv uses the directory /mnt/store instead of the one you setup

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PcHeRo:

Hi

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immolo:

DustyBin- there is an option in MythFrontend's settings to change the location of the store directory

[11:37:08]

immolo:

in my case its under /mnt/share/mythtv

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PcHeRo:

I've got a question when i Setup mythtv and ich scan for channels i don't finde some he comes with a error when i scan in kaffeine i Find channels with Driver i have to take for my airstar 2 ? or wich card type by setup the TV Card ?

[11:44:34]

PcHeRo:

no idea ?

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PcHeRo:

someone speak german here ?

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directhex:

there's a #mythtv-de or #mythtv.de or something like that, i think

[11:49:34]

janneg:

the first one

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PcHeRo:

hmm no here is only this channel

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janneg:

PcHeRo: just type /join #mythtv-de

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drindt:

i not should use a board with via chipset right?

[11:53:52]

directhex:

not a KT333 or older board

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drindt:

directhex: ok thanks

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directhex:

the disrecommendation dates from when via chipsets had major issues with PCi bus flooding (as caused by high bandwidth things like tv cards or sound cards)

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seppl2:

Hi, I use DVB-S and want to manually add channels to the DB. Can I just pust the frequenzies and so on in "dtv_multiplex" and in "channel"

[12:14:57]

seppl2:

the channels don't tell there name the way the should

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Hoxzer:

why not just change the names with mythtv-setup ?

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seppl2:

Hoxzer: mythtv-setup doens't find the channels

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seppl2:

Hoxzer: Thats the Proglem

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Hoxzer:

but others programs do ?

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seppl2:

Hoxzer: Yes they do. but it's a knowen problem

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seppl2:

everything else works fine

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seppl2:

I know that I have to manually add them

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Hoxzer:

:( strange. I would use channels.conf to add channels

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seppl2:

Hoxzer: Allready tryed that. I can tune in the channels via szap totally fine but when I add the channels.conf in mythtv, mythtv doesn't get a lock

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Hoxzer:

ok, Dunno then

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seppl2:

OK I try it the dirty way and manually add the DB then

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seppl2:

but thanks anyway

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janneg:

seppl2: please provide the mythtv-setup output with -v channel,record,siparser while importing the channels.conf

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seppl2:

OK hold on 5 minutes

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seppl2:

janneg: the mythtv-setup output doen't tell much http://pastebin.ca/663243. These are the channels I wan't to add http://pastebin.ca/663247

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janneg:

seppl2: thet can't be the complete mythtv-setup output

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seppl2:

"while importing the channels.conf". yes it really is

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seppl2:

I think my problem is a crappy channels.conf.P_01:11720:hC34:S19.2E:27500:511:512:511:222 isn't very clean

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seppl2:

but if I edit it to P_01:11720:h:27500:511:512:511:222 it won't work with szap

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janneg:

seppl2: I don't know how a DVB-S channels.conf is supposed to look but if it's working with szap it should be ok

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janneg:

seppl2: ok, please try again with -v most and the exact version of your mythtv installation would also be useful

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seppl2:

every programm that is "nice" in the channels.conf works fine. all of them with hC34:S19.2E don't work with mythtv

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janneg:

seppl2: can you paste one working channel

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seppl2:

also ein mythtv-setup -v http://pastebin.ca/663265. ein channel er funktioniert: PREMIERE 1:11797:h:0:27500:511:512:10. einer der nicht funktioniert: P_01:11720:hC34:S19.2E:27500:511:512:511:222

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seppl2:

ohh sorry

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seppl2:

switched to german

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seppl2:

output of "mythtv-setup -v" http://pastebin.ca/663265. A channel thats NOT working: PREMIERE 1:11797:h:0:27500:511:512:10. One channel that working: P_01:11720:hC34:S19.2E:27500:511:512:511:222

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janneg:

seppl2: is the second vdr format?

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seppl2:

janneg: well could be. I really don't know. never used vdr

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janneg:

seppl2: could you try P_01:11720:h:0:27500:511:512:511:222

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seppl2:

the version I'm using is: 0.20.20060828–3 from the marillant backport for debian etch (stable)

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janneg:

that could be very old

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seppl2:

janneg: I know but everythime I switched to svn something didn't work

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seppl2:

I think I found something: http://pastebin.ca/663275. That was part of the output of mythbackend when tuning into a channel thats not working

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cornell:

I'm trying to load data from a previous install into a new install of mythtv. The person and chanid's are different. I think that I need to update these two in the old data, so they'll match the new. I think I need to load recordedcredits and recorded. Can anyone confirm this?

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Cry_wolf2:

Anyone using the apple trailers thing ? Is it stable ?

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Cry_wolf2:

And by that i mean "stable" not release-stable

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GreyFoxx:

What apple trailors thing is that? I saw someone post a python script one day. Is that what you mean?

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yakman:

has any one had trouble playing google video from mythnews?

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yakman:

video downloads ok and i can play it manually using xine

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yakman:

but i get a black screen in mythtv

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yakman:

i'm on the latest svn release

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at0m|c:

can your myth video engine play it? i'd try to assign a player to that file type in myth..

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Cry_wolf2:

This one: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_Apple_Trailers

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GreyFoxx:

Cool, I'll have to check that one out

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blackest:

anyone got a rule to delay a pvr150 driver from loading I've got a small swop problem

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DustyBin:

what has a driver got to do with swop?

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DustyBin:

swap

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blackest:

ok two tvcards randomly swoping between dev/video0 and dev/video1

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blackest:

basically blacklist a driver for one of them will mean the other configures first, reenable the blacklisted driver in modules and the driver now gets loaded second

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blackest:

possibly needs an explicit load a driver used by the card you want first followed by a load the driver used by the card you want second

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blackest:

without this every time the backend gets rebooted your flipping a coin and maybe your config works or maybe they swopped and the tuners are not available

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blackest:

it's releatively easy to figure which module to blacklist just use lsmod i found cx2341x was used once by ivtv and cx8802 was used by my dvb s card so all i need to do is add cx8802 to the blacklist and then put cx2341x in modules followed by cx8802 this way the pvr150 is configured first followed by the dvb-s card (essentially dev/video0 will always be the pvr150 and dev/video1 the dvb-s card)

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Dagmar:

(or, quite possibly, "alias video0 modulename; alias video1 modulename)

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blackest:

where would you put the alias ?

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Opulentus:

I have a Thermaltke Media Lab remote. How do I get it to work with Mythtv?

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blackest:

have you got 10 hours ;)

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Opulentus:

yes ;)

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blackest:

ok i was doing something similar last night and I kind of got it working

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blackest:

first problem is you need a lirc.conf file for that remote if you find it, then its not a problem.

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blackest:

my remote wasn't known so i had to make my own.

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Opulentus:

ok where should I start looking

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Opulentus:

I googled instrustions and all I get is sales pages

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Dagmar:

www.lirc.org

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blackest:

http://lircconfig.commandir.com/ these have prebuilt lirc.conf

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blackest:

if they have your remote then your at least part way there.

[14:29:42]

Opulentus:

cool I'll take a look

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CharlieSu:

I got mythweb running from the trunk perfectly. Now I want to know what it takes to do SSL with it? will that break anything like flash playback?

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blackest:

for mine they didnt but i am lucky enough to be diabetic and i have an irman 210 which makes a good ir reciever

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DustyBin:

CharlieSu: why on earth do you need SSL for mythweb

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CharlieSu:

DustyBin: so that my password doesn't fly across the internet in plaintext

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blackest:

i compiled lirc from cvs www.lirc.org/cvs following the instructions on that page only issue i had was having the irman plugged in the wrong com port. then i used irrecord to capture the signals from my remote and got a lirc.conf from it.

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DustyBin:

are you using .htaccess to password protect it?

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CharlieSu:

DustyBin: yes.. why?

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DustyBin:

no reason

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blackest:

i'm part way setting up the driver for my serial port transmitter which will use the lirc.conf i generated to control my sat box (I went to sleep at 5 this morning )

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DustyBin:

i wander if there is a way to use a encrypted password system instead of .htaccess

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laga:

DustyBin: yes

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laga:

DustyBin: use digest auth

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DustyBin:

ive never heard of that

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laga:

-> google

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DustyBin:

is that .htaccess based

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laga:

sorry, i won't read apache documentation to you

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CharlieSu:

laga: but that still doesn't stop man in the middle

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DustyBin:

CharlieSu: im sure your mythtv system will not get hacked..

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laga:

CharlieSu: true. if you care about man-in-the-middle attacks on your VCR, you do need SSL.

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CharlieSu:

it is more than just my VCR.. it is my home server.. fileserver and shit

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laga:

CharlieSu: SSL is useful if you compare certificates, right?

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CharlieSu:

i can create my own cert.. and trust it in my browser

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immolo:

DustyBin- http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Securing . . . inux_Flavors

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immolo:

That will show you how to do htdigest

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laga:

and what happens if $man-in-the-middle gets himself a certificate as well and gets it signed by a trusted CA?

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Dagmar:

Then the universe turns inside fucking out.

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CharlieSu:

laga: haha.. then your fucked!

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DustyBin:

Poision your SSL system..

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Dagmar:

SSL doesn't work like that.

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DustyBin:

is SSL a free open source system?

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laga:

DustyBin: excuse my ignorance then

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Dagmar:

Do you live under a rock?

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DustyBin:

who?

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Dagmar:

You.

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DustyBin:

why what have i done?

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Dagmar:

<DustyBin> is SSL a free open source system?

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immolo:

lol the clue is in the name :P

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DustyBin:

i'm not sure, is it?

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Dagmar:

They say there are no stupid questions, but that one really pushes it.

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DustyBin:

o_O

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** DustyBin checks wiki **

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DustyBin:

Transport Layer Security (TLS) and its predecessor, Secure Sockets Layer (SSL)

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DustyBin:

oh, its just a network layer

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DustyBin:

i didnt know that

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Opulentus:

ok I was able to get the Lirc.conf file from lircconfig.commandir.com

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ballentine:

I have stange behaviour happening in mythtv – i found channels by scanning in backend and switched innformation source to xmltv. I ran mythtv without xmltv configured and it would ruun frontend so ii changed backend back to EIT enabled and it stilll wwouldn't run ten i deleted all settings in backend and reconfigured from scratch although my dvb card is detected it cant LOCK onto any channels I am gettinng signal

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ballentine:

strengths as high as 70%

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ballentine:

any advice please?

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DustyBin:

ballentine: run mythtv-setup and reconfigure your channels again

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ballentine:

just tried doing that

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DustyBin:

delete everything whats there

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DustyBin:

and set everything up again

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ballentine:

it wont lock onto channels

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DustyBin:

including a channel scan via EIT

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ballentine:

i'll do it all again to humour you but i've only just done it

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DustyBin:

what happens when you scan?

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DustyBin:

does it not pick up channels?

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DustyBin:

if thats the case, check your antenna

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ballentine:

i get very low signal to noise ratioos and the signal strength meter goes as high as 70% on some channels but as low as say 20 or 30% on others

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ballentine:

it wont lock onto any

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DustyBin:

your signal strengths seem ok

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ballentine:

same antennae that picked up about 30+ channels a week ago

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DustyBin:

what card are you using?

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ballentine:

dont laugh

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ballentine:

nova-t 500

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** DustyBin laughs **

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DustyBin:

you need to upgrade the drivers

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DustyBin:

before you do so

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ballentine:

only difference is now have irc cable plugged in but the troubles started before i plugged that in

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DustyBin:

make sure you modprobe -r the drivers what are there

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DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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ballentine:

i already doownloaded latest drivers from linuxtv

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DustyBin:

when?

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ballentine:

a week ago i think

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DustyBin:

before you installed, did you remove the existing drivers?

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DustyBin:

if you didnt those drivers would not of got upgraded

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ballentine:

the documentatioon on mythtv wiki has vstly improved recently so its was very easy to do

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DustyBin:

try it again, but first modprobe -r <DIB DRIVERS>

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DustyBin:

then recompile and install

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ballentine:

can't remember bbut it worked and it worked well i have recordings to prove it still

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ballentine:

okay

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DustyBin:

it doesnt matter, the bugs in the nova-t drivers only show every now and again

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ballentine:

biggest bugbear is not findinng firmware even though its there!

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DustyBin:

read that link

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DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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ballentine:

its the link i found myself and used but i'm going to jump through the hoops again just to get to the bottom of this

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DustyBin:

yep just modprobe -r <DIB DRIVERS> then try again

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DustyBin:

use lsmod, to list your modules

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DustyBin:

i think: modprobe -r dvb_core will remove them

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DustyBin:

or modprobe -r dvb_usb

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immolo:

has anyone here used the mythweb remote control module?

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ballentine:

dustybin, how do i stop backend from command line pleae?

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DustyBin:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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ballentine:

ive dont it but i cant grep to see that module has loaded when i lsmod

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CharlieSu:

on the new version of mythweb, what does the black-on-white circle icond mean?

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ballentine:

so i'm going to reboot and ten try greppping

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ballentine:

brb

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** CharlieSu loves mythtv **

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ballentine:

modiules loaded ok

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DustyBin:

aye good

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DustyBin:

if you havent done much you could try removing mythtv too

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DustyBin:

and reinstalling

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ballentine:

dusty bin thanx – it locked onto the channels again

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ballentine:

wieeeeerd

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Opulentus:

DustyBin: I've got issues installing LIRC. one of the dependents is too new of a version and won't install

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Opulentus:

any ideas on how to fix this?

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DustyBin:

what distro are you using?

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Opulentus:

ubuntu

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alunt2003:

install an olde lirc

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alunt2003:

s/olde/older

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DustyBin:

wget http://lirc.sourceforge.net/software/snapshot . . . pre1.tar.bz2

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DustyBin:

try that

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Opulentus:

ok I'll try it

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DustyBin:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LircHowto?action=show . . . ct=HowToLirc

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yakman:

just a stab in the dark here ... would mythtv look in /usr/lib for libmp4ff.* and not /usr/lib64

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yakman:

?

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DustyBin:

yakmwan: check to see where /etc/ld.so.conf points

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yakman:

is has both

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DustyBin:

it should be ok then

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yakman:

ok ty

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DustyBin:

it will look at both locations

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yakman:

mythfrontend is reporting ADF error cant find aac

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yakman:

i have the packages and the source packages though

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immolo:

/usr/lib64 is normally a symlink to /usr/lib anyway isn't it?

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DustyBin:

are you using your distros mythtv packages?

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Dagmar:

Only if you are insane

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yakman:

nope – its suse 10.2 x64 with svn and most of the dependancies either rpm.src or bulit from source

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Dagmar:

If you have a lib64 directory, youhave one for a reason

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yakman:

no, its not a symlink

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immolo:

mine is a symlink

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immolo:

:o

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yakman:

mine have different creation dates

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yakman:

:(

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BULLE:

immolo: what linux distribution do you use,that have /usr/lib64 symlinked to /usr/lib ?

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BULLE:

some 64bit only distribution with no 32bit libs whatsoever ?

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immolo:

Gentoo

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immolo:

but I have a lib32 so I'm guessing it something odd they do

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yakman:

well, I have the aac files – any ideas why mythtv can't find them?

[16:02:46]

Aval0n_:

I am running ubuntu 7.04 with a nvidia 7300gs, I run HDMI out to my HP-s5053 samsung plasma. I've tried making several modelines for 1360x768, but it ALWAYS defaults to 1280x720. My set is capable of 1366x768. I would be find with 1280x720 except it's cutting off the top and bottom of the picture. Can anyone help?

[16:02:52]

DrJack:

because most of the time aac are drm filled files from itunes ?

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Dagmar:

So try setting up the modeline correctly, and then telling X to use it.

[16:03:25]

DrJack:

are you useing NV or NVIDIA drivers ?

[16:03:30]

Dagmar:

Or pastebin your xorg.conf and see if anyone cares.

[16:03:45]

yakman:

Nvidia = xine plays the same file ok

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Aval0n_:

Dagmar ok sec...

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DrJack:

the nv question wasnt for you yakman :-D

[16:04:21]

yakman:

sorry

[16:04:38]

DrJack:

not a big deal ..

[16:04:49]

DrJack:

it was my fault for not prepending a nick

[16:05:29]

Aval0n_:

http://pastebin.org/823

[16:06:21]

Aval0n_:

it truncated my last line for 25 depth

[16:06:24]

Aval0n_:

but it's the same as 16

[16:07:14]

Dagmar:

Get a clue

[16:07:20]

DrJack:

WOW

[16:07:23]

** DrJack farts **

[16:07:25]

Dagmar:

You set default depth to TWENTY FOUR

[16:07:34]

Dagmar:

...and then didn't define any modes for that color depth.

[16:07:35]

Aval0n_:

ok?

[16:07:55]

Aval0n_:

damgar look at the lines I typed right after I pasted that

[16:08:05]

DrJack:

yea ..

[16:08:07]

Aval0n_:

i typoed 25

[16:08:09]

Aval0n_:

but meant 24

[16:08:17]

DrJack:

well .. the 24 line is IMPORTANT

[16:08:24]

Dagmar:

Again, get a clue.

[16:08:27]

Aval0n_:

it's there in my xorg.conf

[16:08:33]

Aval0n_:

just didn't make it on to pastebin

[16:08:43]

Dagmar:

Then please jump off something tall with a hard base

[16:08:45]

Aval0n_:

hence the reason I typed that

[16:08:53]

Aval0n_:

Dagmar?!

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DrJack:

Aval0n

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Dagmar:

Post your ACTUAL xorg.conf

[16:09:01]

DrJack:

LOOK AT YOUR CONFIG

[16:09:09]

Aval0n_:

DrJack I did

[16:09:15]

DrJack:

if you have a line on line 43 ..

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DrJack:

and line 42 reads END SUB SECTION

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DrJack:

it will not put line 43 in that section

[16:09:44]

Dagmar:

If you can't be bothered to post the information needed to sort your problem, then we can't be bothered to help.

[16:09:56]

DrJack:

if you cant understand that .. please stop playing with the xorg.conf

[16:09:56]

Aval0n_:

http://pastebin.org/824

[16:10:17]

Aval0n_:

drjack

[16:10:28]

Aval0n_:

ever color depth ends with endsubsection

[16:10:29]

** Aval0n_ sighs **

[16:10:32]

Aval0n_:

every*

[16:10:45]

Aval0n_:

see how it lines up with the other ones

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DrJack:

ahh

[16:11:02]

Aval0n_:

if it was the END of the entire section it would have been closer to the left

[16:11:04]

DrJack:

Im just being a prick

[16:11:35]

Dagmar:

Same stupid mistake.

[16:11:41]

Aval0n_:

what?

[16:11:55]

Dagmar:

"1360x768_60.00" != "1360x768"

[16:11:58]

DustyBin:

im reading the mythtv manual again, ive only just found out the difference between a frame grabber and a mpeg-2 encoder card

[16:12:12]

Aval0n_:

hmm

[16:12:21]

Aval0n_:

I belive i tried that too but let me correct and try again

[16:12:36]

Dagmar:

Here's an example

[16:12:38]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/JVC_HD_61Z575A

[16:13:19]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . enkiller.jpg

[16:13:33]

Aval0n_:

thank you dagmar

[16:13:36]

DustyBin:

im sure juski showed some examples of pictures from a framgrabber and a mpeg-2 encoder card once

[16:13:41]

Aval0n_:

i'm rebooting now to see if that fixed things

[16:13:59]

DrJack:

Aval0n no need to reboot

[16:14:02]

Aval0n_:

lol @ dagmars pic

[16:14:04]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: It's not an image quality issue. It's a matter of framegrabber cards are obsolete and problematic at the best of times

[16:14:19]

DustyBin:

hehe nice image

[16:14:35]

DustyBin:

why? my nova-t 500 is a frame grabber and it seems ok now ive upgraded the drivers

[16:15:03]

Aval0n_:

dagmar, even with that correction made, it's still dropping back to 1280x720

[16:15:12]

Aval0n_:

which I find odd because that res isn't even in xorg.conf

[16:15:19]

Dagmar:

Then read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see why it's complaining

[16:15:21]

DustyBin:

i thought the only advantage of using a mpeg-2 card is that it takes some sweat off your cpu

[16:15:39]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: s/some/ALL/;

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DrJack:

"some sweat" ??

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DustyBin:

aye ok

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DustyBin:

i think because i live in the UK we only have DVB-T broadcasts and those dont use much cpu anyway

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blackest:

dvb-t is capturing mpeg2

[16:16:44]

DustyBin:

maybe it would be more of a advantage with folk who pick up HDTV

[16:16:53]

blackest:

its just got to record it

[16:16:59]

Aval0n_:

http://pastebin.org/825

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blackest:

or want to record from other sources dvd/video/sat/camcorder for example

[16:17:45]

Dagmar:

Okay, I'm done caring

[16:17:54]

Aval0n_:

says no valid modes for 1360x768

[16:18:00]

Aval0n_:

ahh dagmar, don't be like that =(

[16:18:01]

DrJack:

Aval0n ... this will tell you whats wrong

[16:18:02]

DrJack:

No valid modes for "1360x768_60"; removing.

[16:18:03]

Dagmar:

It also says a great many other things

[16:18:06]

Dagmar:

You're wasting my freaking time.

[16:18:27]

Aval0n_:

I've tried many different mode lines

[16:18:30]

Dagmar:

If you *knew* what was important, you'd in theory be able to figure out your problem

[16:19:07]

Aval0n_:

and i tried disabling that useEdidDpi garbarge

[16:19:13]

Aval0n_:

I have an option there to say ignore it

[16:19:56]

DustyBin:

I have a Nvidia FX5200 and i use the XvMC settings, does that mean my graphics card encodes mpeg-2 ?

[16:20:35]

Dagmar:

No, it means it assists in decoding MPEG2

[16:20:43]

DustyBin:

i see

[16:21:23]

Dagmar:

The FX5200 is pretty much all the card you need for s-video output

[16:21:40]

Dagmar:

If you're using the s-video output, by the way, you will not have to dork with deinterlacing/interlacing video.

[16:21:56]

Dagmar:

nVidia has some black voodoo in the driver to handle that automagically for the s-video output

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DustyBin:

maybe one day i might get one of these

[16:27:00]

DustyBin:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/pages/products/data_pvr350.html

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Dagmar:

DustyBin: Unless you are really hurting for space in the machine, dont bother with a 350

[16:31:16]

Dagmar:

It does no GL accelleration, and no Xv accelleration.

[16:31:27]

Dagmar:

It is, in short, the suckiest video output you can have.

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Aval0n_:

Dagmar,

[16:35:25]

Aval0n_:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:

[16:35:25]

Aval0n_:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "ATSC-720–60p"

[16:35:25]

Aval0n_:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1280 x 720

[16:35:49]

Aval0n_:

the picture is still being cut off

[16:36:11]

BULLE:

Aval0n_: so is it overscan issues ?

[16:36:17]

blackest:

is there no way you can adjust the picture on the tv ?

[16:36:22]

Aval0n_:

bulle

[16:36:25]

Aval0n_:

maybe so

[16:36:31]

Aval0n_:

blacktest no sir there is not

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Aval0n_:

=(

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BULLE:

Aval0n_: its quite common that your tv does a bit of overscanning by itself, and not all tvs allow you to adjust the overscan

[16:37:33]

BULLE:

Aval0n_: you can always check the manual for pixel mapping modes, if you are lucky they will list some modes, that they say will map one computer pixel to one screen pixel, and then you can use that particular resolution

[16:37:36]

Aval0n_:

Bulle: I hear ya, but I've been told that overscan is more forgiving on some resolutions

[16:37:46]

Aval0n_:

for the life of me I can't get it to output 1366x768

[16:37:51]

Aval0n_:

or 1360x768 for that matter

[16:38:02]

Kazan:

what are you connecting via aval0n?

[16:38:07]

Aval0n_:

HDMI-DVI

[16:38:09]

Kazan:

because when i do DVI->HDMI it overscans

[16:38:15]

Kazan:

when i connect via VGA cable it doesn't

[16:38:17]

BULLE:

Aval0n_: oh, if the panel is a 1366x768 then that would be a good bet, if you want 1:1 pixel mapping

[16:38:47]

Aval0n_:

would be if I could get it to do it!

[16:38:53]

Aval0n_:

it always says it's not a valid mode

[16:38:58]

Kazan:

mine is a 1366x768 as well

[16:39:05]

Kazan:

over HDMI? probably not

[16:39:16]

Kazan:

does your TV have a old 15-pin VGA connector? use it

[16:39:23]

Aval0n_:

it does....

[16:39:27]

Aval0n_:

but it burns to use that

[16:39:34]

BULLE:

Aval0n_: only advice i can come up with, is to check the manual, and contact manufacturer

[16:39:34]

Aval0n_:

since I bought this card specifically for hdmi heheh

[16:39:35]

Kazan:

heh

[16:39:40]

Kazan:

it shows up correctly though

[16:39:43]

Aval0n_:

BULLE thanks

[16:39:46]

Kazan:

atleast on mine

[16:39:52]

Kazan:

what model is your tv?

[16:39:55]

Aval0n_:

Kazan can I see your modeline?

[16:39:55]

BULLE:

when i buy a new tv, i always check so there is some sane 1:1 pixel mapping mode

[16:39:58]

Aval0n_:

samsung hp-s5053

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Kazan:

Aval0n: standard widescreen vga

[16:40:14]

Kazan:

didn't have to make a modeline

[16:40:40]

Kazan:

with using the VGA cable you get the advantage of plug and pray

[16:40:59]

Aval0n_:

so you don't think that hdmi is superior video quality to hd15 d-sub?

[16:41:08]

Kazan:

i couldn't tell a wiff of difference

[16:41:22]

Aval0n_:

my video card doesn't have a 15 pin connector

[16:41:28]

Aval0n_:

I'de have to convert DVI to hd-15

[16:41:32]

Kazan:

yes it does :P

[16:41:39]

Aval0n_:

would I even reap the same benefit?

[16:41:40]

Kazan:

DVI includes all the pins of HD15

[16:41:43]

Aval0n_:

ok..

[16:41:46]

Kazan:

yes

[16:41:51]

BULLE:

Kazan: no, not necesarily

[16:41:57]

Aval0n_:

see I wanted to carry the audio to the TV via HDMI also

[16:42:03]

BULLE:

Kazan: it depends on the particular DVI socket

[16:42:12]

Kazan:

BULLE: well... i haven't seen a DVI port that doesn't include them.. though technically they could choose not to

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blackest:

anyone good with lirc transmission ?

[16:42:19]

Kazan:

Aval0n: how did you plan to do that?

[16:42:27]

BULLE:

Kazan: i have seen plenty of those

[16:42:28]

Kazan:

DVI->HDMI cables don't have audio...

[16:42:35]

Aval0n_:

mine does

[16:42:42]

Aval0n_:

the vid ard has spdif input connector

[16:42:55]

Aval0n_:

it

[16:42:58]

Aval0n_:

just HDMI cable

[16:42:59]

BULLE:

Kazan: dvi-a is analog only, dvi-d is digital only, dvi-i is both

[16:43:27]

** BULLE is hoping for the ati 2000 series cards, that all come with hdmi connectors and integrated sound **

[16:43:34]

BULLE:

but with no linux driver, its a no buy right now

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DustyBin:

ive found a interesting bit in the mythtv manual ive never come across before, it says to setup the mythtv database one uses: mysql -u root < mc.sql what the hell is mc.sql?

[16:45:29]

** DustyBin checks **

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Aval0n_:

I just read that hdmi only allwos for 720p/1080i/1080p

[16:45:36]

Aval0n_:

arrrg

[16:46:08]

Kazan:

didn't realize the HD 2Ks had HDMI w/ sound

[16:46:17]

Kazan:

that's why the linux driver doesn't support them then

[16:46:39]

Kazan:

Aval0n: the HDMI input on my TV doesn't seem to support 1080i/p

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Kazan:

1080i it was that i tried

[16:46:50]

Kazan:

# ModeLine "1920x1080" 74.25 1920 1960 2016 2200 1080 1082 1088 1125 Interlace

[16:47:23]

Kazan:

i scraped that from a list of standard modelines... think it violates my TVs VertRefresh

[16:47:46]

BULLE:

DustyBin: its just a scriptfile that contains all the sql needed to create and configure the mysql database

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kidbluz:

Anyone using CentOS 5 with MythTV?

[16:50:45]

CharlieSu:

kidbluz: ubunbut here.

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kidbluz:

CharlieSu: How is that working out for you?

[16:51:40]

CharlieSu:

kidbluz: kick ass.. fresh install w/ ubuntu server last night... compliled from SVN on frontend and backend

[16:51:50]

Aval0n_:

that modeline doesn't work for me either

[16:52:16]

kidbluz:

CharlieSu: Do you use a PVR350?

[16:52:24]

DustyBin:

if im using SVN, should i keep an eye on this: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2007-August/thread.html

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CharlieSu:

i have a pvr 150

[16:53:39]

CharlieSu:

and i love it

[16:53:57]

DustyBin:

that means your not a frame grabber

[16:54:06]

CharlieSu:

what do you mean frame grabber?

[16:54:20]

DustyBin:

a frame grabber card has no mpeg-2 encoders built in

[16:54:25]

DustyBin:

yours does

[16:54:27]

kidbluz:

I'm having a bear of a time getting the PVR350 MPEG decoder working on CentOS 5.

[16:55:13]

** DustyBin continues reading manual **

[16:56:10]

CharlieSu:

on the new version of mythweb, what does the black-on-white circle icond mean?

[16:56:43]

CharlieSu:

s/icond/icon

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Esine:

Hi. I have two Technotrend DVB-C cards which work fine and a card reader for CONAX. I've been reading how to get it work some bit but I stumbled across a question about it and this response: http://lists.smeyers.be/mythtv-dev/5591.html

[17:02:29]

Esine:

"Sorry, we don't support softcams for all the obvious reasons." <-- well, it isn't obvious to me why I couldn't use the card reader instead of CI/CAM

[17:03:08]

Esine:

why is it considered so bad? I just want to be able to watch conax channels the same time I record them and I can't do that with CI/CAM if I have only one CONAX card

[17:03:36]

Dagmar:

piracy is "the obvious reason"

[17:03:43]

Dagmar:

We don't support them in the channel, either

[17:03:44]

Esine:

:O

[17:03:54]

Dagmar:

Feel free to write your own and don't tell anyone.

[17:04:08]

Esine:

sorry I didn't think you CAN do piracy on that

[17:04:23]

Esine:

I thought you need a key (which is on the conax card) and it's encrypted and everything..

[17:04:33]

Dagmar:

Ahem.

[17:04:35]

Dagmar:

We don't support them in the channel, either

[17:04:55]

Esine:

:|

[17:05:06]

Esine:

Dagmar, then how can I make the conax channels work without having two cards?

[17:07:53]

** Kazan tries to guess which of the two has the thicker skull **

[17:08:47]

Dagmar:

Feel free to write your own and don't tell anyone.

[17:08:57]

Dagmar:

Get the hint.

[17:09:17]

Kazan:

i fail to see how it's piracy dagmar... i just looked up what conax is

[17:09:20]

Esine:

I think that attitude isn't very nice. That's like saying we don't support the Internet because you can pirate softwaer and movies with it

[17:09:26]

Esine:

same as you can kill people with a fork

[17:09:36]

Esine:

still not many people use it for that purpose

[17:09:40]

Kazan:

bingo

[17:09:58]

Dagmar:

Feel free to bitch at the people who run the mailing list

[17:09:59]

Kazan:

i could quote Sony vs Universal

[17:10:02]

Dagmar:

I could give two shits

[17:10:07]

kidbluz:

Esine, you have my support.

[17:10:19]

Dagmar:

All I see is a bunch of pesky newbs basically demanding someone else do their work for them.

[17:10:25]

Kazan:

apparently you did dagmar, they're residing in your cranium

[17:10:33]

Kazan:

yes dagmar, i am a newb

[17:10:38]

Dagmar:

...when that work would most likely result in a near-instantaneous set of lawsuits dropping.

[17:10:48]

Kazan:

i work on optimization in 3D simulation games

[17:10:50]

Kazan:

and i am a newb

[17:10:54]

Dagmar:

Obviously.

[17:10:59]

Kazan:

i have been running mythTV for more than a year, and i am a newb

[17:11:01]

Esine:

Dagmar, well no I googled a lot and found what I was looking for :-) I was just surprised the reply on the mailing lists..

[17:11:07]

Dagmar:

...or you would have realized the direct application to piracy this has.

[17:11:10]

Kazan:

the only obvious statement here is that dagmar is a dumbarse

[17:11:15]

kidbluz:

Dagmar, a bunch of FUD

[17:11:19]

Dagmar:

So both of you can fuck right off into my ignore list.

[17:11:22]

Kazan:

that's 100% FUD dagmar

[17:11:29]

Kazan:

apparently you aren't aware of Sony vs Universal

[17:11:31]

Dagmar:

Again, complain to the mailing list.

[17:11:32]

CharlieSu:

on the new version of mythweb, what does the black-on-white circle icon mean?

[17:11:33]

Kazan:

and you claim to not be a newb

[17:11:35]

Dagmar:

I don't care what you think

[17:11:52]

Kazan:

any device which has significant non-infringing uses...

[17:11:57]

Kazan:

then do us a favor and SHUT UP

[17:12:11]

Kazan:

and read this before you open your mouth again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_Am . . . tudios,_Inc.

[17:12:17]

Dagmar:

This is the same answer you'll always get here, and on the mailing list. If you don't like it, start your own project.

[17:12:23]

jarle:

#myth-decrypted

[17:12:40]

Dagmar:

#myth-subpoenaed

[17:13:06]

GreyFoxx:

Softcams are not supported here period. Bittorrent is not supported here. The integration of a bittorrent client will never make it into any official myth package regardless of the possible legit uses

[17:14:26]

Aval0n_:

yay!

[17:14:28]

Aval0n_:

=(

[17:15:01]

Kazan:

GreyFoxx: there are two meanings to SoftCam and i think that is where the confusion is going on here

[17:15:02]

Aval0n_:

kazan people everywhere say image quality is superior on DVI compared to hd15

[17:15:06]

Aval0n_:

do you belive that to be true as well/

[17:15:20]

Kazan:

some of us are talking about software Conditional Access Module emulators – which still require you to have the CAM To get the keys

[17:15:34]

Kazan:

and i think you're talking about the other type – where basically you're providing a streaming video source

[17:15:48]

Kazan:

Aval0n: in my expirience i saw absolutely no difference

[17:15:59]

Kazan:

plus i didn't have to deal with overscan issues with VGA

[17:16:07]

Aval0n_:

yeah I hear that...

[17:16:10]

Dagmar:

Thank you, GreyFoxx.

[17:16:44]

Kazan:

one thing that irritates me about the devs- afraid of their own shadows, which is why i will never contribute

[17:17:01]

Dagmar:

Feel free to start your own project so that you can be sued.

[17:17:14]

Dagmar:

I suggest you invest in pre-paid legal services.

[17:17:28]

Dagmar:

SoftCAMs WILL be used for piracy the moment such a facility is written.

[17:17:40]

CharlieSu:

anyone use mythweb from trunk?

[17:17:48]

Kazan:

see my previous statements about the dual meaning of softcam dagmar

[17:17:53]

Dagmar:

Additionally, if you had that, you wouldn't need a subscription from the service provider at ALL

[17:17:57]

Kazan:

i think you're talking about virtual webcams – which could be used for piracy

[17:18:06]

bluey-:

CharlieSu: i do...

[17:18:12]

Dagmar:

No, I'm not.

[17:18:14]

DustyBin:

the manual doesnt say if you are supposed to run mythfilldatabase as the mythtv user or root

[17:18:16]

Kazan:

a properly written softcam of the other type – a software conditional access module – would require you to still have the physical CAM

[17:18:26]

Kazan:

CharlieSu: i do

[17:18:34]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: It doesn't much matter since MySQL has it's own accounts for this

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CharlieSu:

bluey-: on my recorded programs page I'm trying to figure out what the black-on-white cirles icon means

[17:18:49]

DustyBin:

ok

[17:18:58]

CharlieSu:

Kazan: above to bluey-

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Kazan:

and yet again – straight from Sony Vs Universal – any device with significantly non-infringing uses

[17:19:11]

Kazan:

so if they tried to sue you they would loose and you can countersue for legal fees

[17:19:28]

Kazan:

plus i'm sure the FSF is drooling to get a case on that subject

[17:19:29]

Dagmar:

Then go right ahead and write the code and be sued.

[17:19:40]

bluey-:

CharlieSu: dunno... i guess Stereo

[17:19:45]

DustyBin:

Dagmar: what about mythbackend? does that not matter what user runs it?

[17:20:06]

jarle:

CharlieSu: press "1" or "F1"

[17:20:07]

Kazan:

my backend runs as a system service

[17:20:11]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: No, because it's going to use the MySQL credentials you told it to do access the database

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Dagmar:

s/do/to/;

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GreyFoxx:

charlieS: The black circle with the white/gray half circle are the stero icon

[17:20:30]

DustyBin:

i see

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CharlieSu:

jarle: on what? the frontend or on mythweb?

[17:20:40]

Dagmar:

DustyBin: ...although generally you have to run it as root so that it can actually control the tuners.

[17:20:49]

DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

mythbackend run as root, mythfilldatabase doesnt matter

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jarle:

CharlieSu: on the "recorded shows" page in the frontend..

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** DustyBin continues to read manual **

[17:21:33]

jarle:

CharlieSu: It means that the show is in stereo I think...

[17:21:41]

CharlieSu:

nice..

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CharlieSu:

didn't knwo about 1

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bluey-:

yeah it was broadcastet in stereo

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bluey-:

pretty obsolete this symbol :P

[17:22:08]

CharlieSu:

yeah.. nice

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Dagmar:

There's still some monaural stations out there

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Aval0n_:

xris: around?

[17:22:20]

Dagmar:

...and some monaural recordings

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CharlieSu:

i'm in love with mythtv.. i'm going to get a second pvr-150 so i can do two shows at once

[17:22:42]

Aval0n_:

xris mentioned that for tv's that overscan myth can be underscaned to fit properly

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Aval0n_:

anyone know how I can do taht

[17:22:53]

Aval0n_:

or point me to some docs about it

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GreyFoxx:

Aval0n:What are you trying o do? Just keep the menus in the visible area but leave the video properly overscanned ?

[17:28:09]

blackest:

anyone point me in the right direction for getting lirc transmitting working i have a working reciever now irw reads my remote fine

[17:29:18]

Aval0n_:

greyfox

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Aval0n_:

are the videos supposed to be overscanned?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Aval0n_:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

Televisions overscan on purpose

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Aval0n_:

so everytime i'm watching a DVD

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Aval0n_:

the image is being ovescanned?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Aval0n_:

overscanned*

[17:30:19]

Aval0n_:

damn

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Aval0n_:

wish I didn't know that

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Aval0n_:

that's gonna bug me now

[17:30:27]

Aval0n_:

lol

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Aval0n_:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

there is always a border around the video that is outside the viewing area

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Aval0n_:

so you don't think the overscan is that big of a deal that i'm dealing with?

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GreyFoxx:

Aval0n: I turn overscan up to 100% on my stuff

[17:31:09]

Aval0n_:

hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

And then I just tweak myth to keep the menus in the visible portion only

[17:31:27]

Aval0n_:

I guess I have to stop thinking of this box as dual purpose and just use it for what I originally intended it to be, a myth box

[17:31:41]

Aval0n_:

greyfoxx I guess that is what I would like to do then

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blackest:

GreyFoxx doesnt that clip some movies quite severely

[17:32:09]

GreyFoxx:

blackest: they are intended to be that way

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GreyFoxx:

the only reason people are really aware of it now is because they take something intended to be viewed on aTV with overscan and then watch it on a pc monitor which doesn't overscan

[17:33:01]

GreyFoxx:

then they realize that when played on the TV portions are not visible and they think somnething is wrong

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blackest:

but with films they are made without overscan so wouldnt you see more at the cinema than the same film on dvd

[17:34:23]

GreyFoxx:

yes, what you see at the cinema is not overscanned, but when you buy the DVD and play ti on a regular TV, it will be overscanned

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GreyFoxx:

http://scanline.ca/overscan/

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GreyFoxx:

scroll down and look at the "safe action and safe title" screenshot

[17:35:14]

GreyFoxx:

that shows the amount that is normally overscanned

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blackest:

i guess there shouldnt be anything you really need to be seeing at the edges

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GreyFoxx:

nope, and often there is "garbage" vbi stuff that users think is just noise

[17:36:14]

blackest:

i read somewhere sometimes you can see mikes and stuff which should be out of shot

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GreyFoxx:

heheh

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GreyFoxx:

I can imagine

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blackest:

actually when wide screen was first coming out i saw something on topgear i think it was if you had 4:3 you didnt see the edges if you did you saw two birds in bikinis either side

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blackest:

they were demonstrating the difference of course

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blackest:

greyfoxx do you have 2 lirc devices by any chance setup ?

[17:40:20]

blackest:

ir blasting seems to be a pain the ....

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yakman-myth:

can some one take a look see if thts has any obvious prolem/ soloution pls?

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yakman-myth:

http://pastebin.ca/663515

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DustyBin:

im up to the point in the manual "automatically starting mythbackend at system boot time"

[17:49:32]

DustyBin:

it shows you examples on how to do it in red hat and mandriva, but no examples for any other distro, what would one do if one was a debian user?

[17:51:17]

DustyBin:

it also says about using a file called 'etc.rc.d.init.mythbackend' and copying that to /etc/rc.d/init.d

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DustyBin:

but that files does not exist in the latest svn ive downloaded

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DustyBin:

there is no howto on the mythtv wiki on how to do that too

[17:55:45]

DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO

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yakman:

DustyBin: i can see on either – but a google for it turns somthing up

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yakman:

DustyBin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_init.d_mythbackend

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yakman:

will that do?

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DustyBin:

aye where did you find that

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DustyBin:

thats the one

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XLV:

i know its not mythtv specific but anyone knows of a vnc viewer that you can copy and paste between host and remote pc? ubuntu feisty. tightvnc seems to have problem with it

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yakman:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=debian+mythtv+init+script

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blackest:

XLV why not use SSH

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DustyBin:

tunnel vnc through ssh

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DustyBin:

(ssh, dont tell anyone :p )

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blackest:

setup the server and then you can use ssh yourname@192.168.1.box – X and run anything displayed on your local machine

[18:00:06]

blackest:

i am using it all the time in fact as we speak

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XLV:

blackest, windows host.. i guess i'll have to setup cygwin or something

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DustyBin:

blackest: your desktop is a mess, would you mind cleaning it up

[18:02:19]

DustyBin:

or shall i do it for you?

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Aval0n_:

i am trying to scan for OTA ATSC in myth but i get nothing but timeouts

[18:03:05]

Aval0n_:

what's upt with that?

[18:03:17]

Aval0n_:

i have the antenna in the right place

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Akuma:

Hello, I installed mythtv no problem, tv card works fine (bt878), however I have the following problem: sound is connected to CD sound line (which is set to capture in alsa). When it is unmuted, I can hear the sound from the video which remains after myth exits tv mode, however when I mute it or reduce the volume, I get no sound when watching tv.

[18:12:22]

Akuma:

I'm not sure what I am doing wrong, i'd be grateful if anyone could help me

[18:13:43]

DustyBin:

Akuma

[18:13:46]

DustyBin:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

[18:14:51]

Akuma:

I've been through that howto...

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DustyBin:

have you tried the wiki

[18:15:47]

Akuma:

I'm going to take a look now

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PcHeRo:

Hi i've got a problem when i start mythtv-setup and want to scan for channel he said Cuold not conenct to TV Card! sry for my bad english ;) and i'm not sure if everthing is written correctly !

[18:22:03]

DustyBin:

you need to setup a card first

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DustyBin:

i believe its the 'input connections' menu

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PcHeRo:

in kaffeine i can watch TV but in the setup he can't connect to the card

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DustyBin:

oh, its that old chestnut is it

[18:25:42]

PcHeRo:

Technisat Airstar 2

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DustyBin:

ive never heard of it

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PcHeRo:

its a acutall dvb -t card

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DustyBin:

have you added your tv card?

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PcHeRo:

yes ^^

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DustyBin:

in the input connections? can mythtv see it?

[18:26:43]

DustyBin:

are you using EIT?

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PcHeRo:

no i think not

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PcHeRo:

how can i check this ?

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DustyBin:

you need to setup video sources

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DustyBin:

first setup your capture cards, then setup video sources for the cards, try EIT

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Aval0n_:

great i go watch TV and i get black screen

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Aval0n_:

sigh

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DustyBin:

then you will need to assign what video source the cards will use in input connections

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DustyBin:

Aval0n_: you silly sod

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mog:

hi

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visit0r:

I'm seeing occasionally lots of prebuffering pauses, I mean, when they start to appear they just don't go away. for example, I watched 50mins of DVD without problems and suddenly it started. previously I thought it was due to the lousy networking.

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visit0r:

any ideas?

[18:38:20]

mog:

i recently set up a show to auto transcode, but it does not seem to take place, i can go and manually do it, i dont see any errors in mythlog

[18:38:30]

mog:

visit0r: what does mplayer console say?

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Akuma:

Managed to fix somehow, now, other question, when I start the tv module, sound settings are changed

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Akuma:

how can I solve that?

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mog:

sound settins are changed?

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Akuma:

yea, volume is lowered on master and PCM

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juski:

if you use alsamixer, try alsactl store

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DustyBin:

juski: what mpeg-2 encoder card do you use?

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Akuma:

I did that

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visit0r:

mog: mplayer??

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visit0r:

mog: talking about mythtv

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juski:

DustyBin: pvr150, but not for much longer in all likelihood

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DustyBin:

why not?

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juski:

seriously considering binning Virgin Media, is why

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DustyBin:

are we changing?

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DustyBin:

ok

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mog:

mythtv uses mplayer to play your video visit0r

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juski:

mog: no it doesn't

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defaultro:

afternoon folks. My wife wants me to record a show that she likes. However, I can do it only via the RCA output. What card should I buy and stable in mythtv?

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juski:

defaultro: hauppauge pvr150

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

I've heard that before here and it's famous. What about the pvr 500, is it stable now?

[18:51:40]

juski:

mog: mythvideo and mythdvd can use any player you specify

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juski:

defaultro: yeah but – it'd not be much use with a single STB

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

you are correct :)

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DustyBin:

juski: do you use your PVR-150 to encode mpeg-2 from DVB broadcasts

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defaultro:

juski, how is the changing of channels done?

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juski:

DustyBin: what?!

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juski:

DustyBin: DVB comes in as mpeg2 or whatever. no encoding needs to be done. ever

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DustyBin:

o_0

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DustyBin:

oh yeah, i remember now. sorry

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juski:

DustyBin: and tuner cards with mpeg2 encoders can't be used to re-encode video (sadly)

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DustyBin:

juski: so that means, for DVB in uk, all you need is a frame grabber card

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juski:

DustyBin: no, all you need is a DVB-T tuner

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juski:

or DVB-S

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juski:

kinda amazing that you'd need a DVB tuner to work with DVB broadcasts isn't it

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DustyBin:

lol yes

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juski:

ffs

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juski:

it just so happens that some DVB tuners *can* work as framegrabbers too, but that really isn't something I'd consider to be an advantage

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DustyBin:

if DVB is already MPEG-2 all you need to do is feed the signal straight to the computer, nothing else needs to be done

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DustyBin:

apart from, decoding it back into video..

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juski:

DustyBin: yeah. it's not always mpeg2 BTW – but in the UK it is (at least for now)

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DustyBin:

ok

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juski:

when we get HDTV (not til after 2012 no doubt) it's likely gonna be H.264. mega-CPU needed

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DustyBin:

DVB TUNER >> MPEG-2 >> DECODE >> PLAY

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DustyBin:

is there a way to take away the decoding from the CPU?

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juski:

DustyBin: you don't wanna, believe me. xvmc sucks

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DustyBin:

thats what i use, it seems ok for what i use it for

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juski:

you're one of the lucky ones

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DustyBin:

so, XVMC = decoding, not encoding

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juski:

if you can avoid using it, don't use it

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DustyBin:

ok

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DustyBin:

can it make picture quality bad?

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juski:

my 800mhz smeggy test box doesn't need xvmc

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ger_3d:

juski: I just had a look at your site. have you stopped makink themes?

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juski:

it makes life more er.. complicated for some. and for some it can give em mono OSDs & crap

[19:00:01]

Led-Hed:

Is there a version of MythTV that is ready for the change over to "Schedules Direct" ?

[19:00:02]

juski:

ger_3d: you bet I have

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ger_3d:

thats a shame, I was hoping we could make a great theme together

[19:00:38]

Anduin:

Led-Hed: There is a patch in trac currently, there will be one soon.

[19:00:49]

Led-Hed:

Anduin, ok, thanks

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ger_3d:

juski: what happend?

[19:00:59]

Anduin:

Led-Hed: SD isn't actually up yet.

[19:01:16]

juski:

ger_3d: lack of motivation mostly

[19:01:43]

Led-Hed:

Anduin, I know, I was just at the site. I was just wondering when MythTV would be ready to use it

[19:01:56]

ger_3d:

juski: what would it take to motivate you?

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juski:

not even donations were keeping my interest peaked

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niter3:

Hey guys, odd issue. I am unable to watch a recording while it's in the progress of recording that specific show. Any ideas why I might be having an issue like this?

[19:02:41]

juski:

if I don't use it myself, there's no motivation there. do one thing, move onto the next...

[19:02:54]

DustyBin:

right, here we go, im going to use: mc.sql to create the database

[19:02:57]

defaultro:

oh no, it's hard to tell when we buy a pvr 150, the hardware inside the box can be HVR1600. WTF does Hauppage smoke....

[19:03:27]

juski:

defaultro: if you end up with a HVR card, tell Hauppauge & they'll happily swap it

[19:03:37]

defaultro:

ok. I got it from here. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-150

[19:04:03]

ger_3d:

Juski: thats sad. I'll be on my own thene

[19:04:04]

juski:

AFAIK they were only doing that during a shortage at the end of last year anyway

[19:04:32]

defaultro:

oh

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juski:

ger_3d: I'll be available for consultation & to help, but I'm not going all-out & making brand new stuff again

[19:04:48]

juski:

ger_3d: I'm calling it burnout

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defaultro:

I still couldn't find any information on how a channel is change on PVR150

[19:05:27]

juski:

it hasn't come as much of a surprise to anybody – and after all I *have* churned out eight themes already

[19:05:56]

ger_3d:

Juski: I know what you mean. I'll make the theme I showed you but i'ts going to take some time. A lot of work at the moment.

[19:06:02]

juski:

you could almost put money on the fact I'll return to it at some point in the future, just not as far ahead as I can see

[19:06:21]

** jams perks up at talk of new theme **

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juski:

jams: green, with sideways menus

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juski:

and wide :)

[19:06:51]

jams:

ah

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defaultro:

speaking of themes, are there other themes that we can use?

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jams:

guess i will have to wait and see

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juski:

defaultro: see the wiki, but ignore the links to www.juski.co.uk

[19:07:19]

defaultro:

k

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niter3:

Hey guys, odd issue. I am unable to watch a recording while it's in the progress of recording that specific show. Any ideas why I might be having an issue like this?

[19:07:33]

juski:

I should update that. they're still available, just not as a direct download

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juski:

niter3: can you see it in the 'watch recordings' list ?

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defaultro:

neon wide looks cool

[19:08:58]

juski:

it's not, believe me

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** juski gets depressed with all this theme talk **

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defaultro:

:) which should I try? I love your theme

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defaultro:

hey folks, what is the RCA ports on a PVR 150? Is it for input or output?

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using LCDProc? I have it working with Myth but can only seem to get the top 1/2 of the LCD to display anything.

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egsavage:

any way to intercept the mythfilldatabase and grab the XML file coming? I wanted to analyze some parts of it...

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xris:

oh no, my zap2it labs acct is going to expire....

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xris:

one week before sept 1.

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egsavage:

go renew

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janneg:

lol

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egsavage:

i just renewed mine a week back ... even though they are shutting it off 9/1, it says its good til 11/07 now

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jams:

defaultro- input

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egsavage:

so i guess i'm good til 9/14 for programming data

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Led-Hed:

I just checked. It wont let me renew (but I'm good till 10/17/2007)

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egsavage:

oh, you're fine then

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DustyBin:

if you place a executable script inside /etc/init.d/ will it be started automatically at boot time, or do you need to do something else in order to activate it?

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jams:

Led-Hed lcd works ok here, however mine is only 2 lines

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jams:

DustyBin- something else but it depens on your distro what that something else is

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Led-Hed:

jams, same here. its a HD44780 @ 16x2

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DustyBin:

ok

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Ribs:

DustyBin, you have to link that script into a runlevel

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Led-Hed:

jams, its as though Myth or LCDProc don't recognize the 2nd row

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jams:

Led-Hed don't know

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Led-Hed:

driving me nutz. I had it working fine in Fedora.

[19:29:05]

Ribs:

DustyBin, check out the contents of /etc/rc5.d

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Ribs:

that's runlevel 5, the default runlevel

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Ribs:

you can put a symlink in there

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Ribs:

see how your distro has already done it

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jams:

heh 5 may or may not be his default runlevel

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Nik_Doof:

hey guys, having a strange issue trying to play a dvd, works file if i run mplayer manually but i get this error in mythfrontend.log when i do it via myth: http://pastebin.com/m536eebc6 , any ideas?

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Ribs:

jams, it's rare for 5 not to be

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Ribs:

I can't recall a single distro which doesn't have 5 as the default

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Ribs:

Nik_Doof, check that the user which mythfrontend is running under has permission to access your DVD drive

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Ribs:

that might be why it works in terminal as your normal user, but the frontend can't access it

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Nik_Doof:

running mplayer as the same user works fine

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DustyBin:

the solution on debian is to copy the script inside /etc/init.d/

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DustyBin:

then active it by

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DustyBin:

update-rc.d mythbackend defaults

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DustyBin:

here we go, lets see if mythtv svn works straight from boot

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DustyBin:

yep it works :) time to compile themes + plugins

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Nik_Doof:

as does running mythtv dvd://dev/dvd

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Nik_Doof:

how weird

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DustyBin:

what is: --enable-mythmovies ?

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DustyBin:

i dont recall such a plugin

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DustyBin:

is this the apple movie trailor plug?

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DustyBin:

MythMovies is a new plugin for looking up movie showtimes in a given area.

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DustyBin:

i see

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egsavage:

can anyone point me to a snippet of an xmltv response from datadirect? There must be one somewhere. I didn't see an option to dump such a file from mythfilldatabase.

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egsavage:

i'm trying to debug some issues

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defaultro:

anyone here uses pvr 150?

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Eko:

Hey, I've got my MythTV set up and working with my ATSC OTA channels, but I also can get normal NTSC cable channels (e.g. using TVTime) when I flip the switch on my antenna. How do I get MythTV to let the two types of channels coexist?

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Como|Lappy:

I know this probably isnt the ideal place, but does anyone know specifically if newegg charges a restocking fee on OB items?

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defaultro:

or does anyone have an alternative to pvr 150 for composite recording?

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defaultro:

this is cool, http://3btech.net/twatdiandanp.html

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DustyBin:

jeeze, mythweb is a pain to setup, one has to read through the docs..

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DustyBin:

bloody heck, mythweb looks completely differnt

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DustyBin:

mythweb has this kind of flashing white effect

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GreyFoxx:

ummmmmwhere ?

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DustyBin:

when i click on links like Listings, the screen goes blank then flashes white, then it continues

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DustyBin:

i like the little icons in Recorded Programs

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DustyBin:

very nice

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GreyFoxx:

I've never heard of anyone having any "white flash"

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DustyBin:

its only for a split second

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GreyFoxx:

certainly doesn't one any of my systems

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DustyBin:

strange

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** GreyFoxx just tried it **

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DustyBin:

it happens when its searching through the database

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DustyBin:

the screen goes blank, flashes white for a split second, then the listing comes up

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DustyBin:

maybe it could be something to do with my apache2 setup

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DustyBin:

it worked ok on the original debian package version

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DustyBin:

what i had installed a few hours ago

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Tanthrix:

Well, Comcast has officially started 5c-ing my channels

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Tanthrix:

Quite a few of my favorites are not in the clear now

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** Tanthrix goes onto Comcast chat to cancel his Comcast HD service and associated PVR **

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AndyCap:

5c-ing?

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hatlevip:

AndyCap, it's encryption

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AndyCap:

ok then.

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AndyCap:

not some new magi :-P

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AndyCap:

magic..

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hatlevip:

well, it is some voodoo

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Tanthrix:

AndyCap: Firewire encryption, to be specific. Basically it means that I cannot output those channels in the clear through my firewire output

[21:06:43]

AndyCap:

aha

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hatlevip:

you're lucky to have had them in the clear even this long probably

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Tanthrix:

Indeed.

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AndyCap:

do they actually output anything at all over firewire then?

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hatlevip:

i think comcast here has had 5c on everything for awhile

[21:07:29]

Tanthrix:

AndyCap: No, just fails to tune.

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hatlevip:

where i am at least

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Tanthrix:

(On the 5c-ed channels)

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AndyCap:

ok. so it's more of a broadcast flag.

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Tanthrix:

hatlevip: Some places are totally in the clear, such as Seattle. I'm in Portland, and I've been in the clear for 6 months now

[21:07:54]

hatlevip:

you still have the ota in the clear i assume...

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Tanthrix:

Aye – via my ATSC card

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Tanthrix:

er, QAM card

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hatlevip:

Tanthrix, comcast had 5c even on the locals here for awhile according to one of my friends

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hatlevip:

in indianapolis

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Tanthrix:

They 5C-ed NBC and CBS here, probably still is too

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Tanthrix:

In the clear over QAM though

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defaultro:

that is bad

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hatlevip:

qam just comes through the coax?

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defaultro:

FCC, IIRC, wants providers to provide local channels in clear

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defaultro:

report them

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Tanthrix:

QAM is the means in which digital cable channels are transmitted

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Tanthrix:

defaultro: I looked over the FCC ruling and couldn't find any place it says that clearly – if someone points me to the exact spot in the document that it declares this, I would be more willing

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defaultro:

it's a pdf document

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Tanthrix:

And?

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Led-Hed:

anyone here runing an nVidia card @ 720x480 w/ TV-Out?

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Led-Hed:

I can get it to work at 640x480, but 720x480 fails

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dath:

Anyone have any idea why S/PDIF outout would suddenly stop working? I rebooted my mythbox and now (even with IEC unmuted), I'm getting no audio . . .

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dath:

It worked fine yesterday. . .

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Led-Hed:

dath, my SPDIF is buggy also.

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Led-Hed:

A reboot usually fixes it though

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Led-Hed:

dath, what MoBo / Sound Card?

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dath:

I have an abit AN-M2

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Led-Hed:

what audio chip?

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dath:

Realtec ALC888

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Led-Hed:

humm

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dath:

I'm wondering if it is that the passthrough stuff being enabled is causing my problems. I can't mute/unmute anymore when watching TV. . .

[21:42:03]

Led-Hed:

all sound is gone or just with Live TV? Does Xine/MythVideo work?

[21:42:31]

dath:

I haven't tried anything other than live tv. . . This is a brand-new setup and my first myth build. . .

[21:42:53]

Led-Hed:

dath, what encoder are you using?

[21:43:04]

dath:

I just hooked it up to the TV and all because I had everything working, so now I have to walk back and forth:->

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dath:

I've got an HD tuner, so just mpeg2

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Led-Hed:

Is the Audio captured in AC3 or DTS?

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dath:

Don't know, I guess it must capture it in whatever format it comes over in?

[21:45:13]

dath:

Ahh, once I disable the passthrough, I can then mute and unmute from another mixer when watching, but still no sound.

[21:45:16]

Led-Hed:

If the audio is captured in AC3 then you want to use PassThrough. Also make sure your asound.conf/acoundrc file is set to use the correct device

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dath:

I'm actually not using an asound.conf at the moment. . .

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Led-Hed:

that may be part of the problem. make sure your sound device setting in Myth is set for Alsa:Default

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dath:

Yeah, but for ac3/dts I had to set it to the IEC instead of default before?

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Led-Hed:

well the default should be set in your asound.conf. something like: pcm "hw:0,0"

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gettinthere:

hi channel...having some trouble getting mythbackend and frontend to work together...and yes, i've read the docs

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gettinthere:

from what's available anyway...they seem to have changed a lot from the first time i got it all working

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dath:

Led-Hed: Thanks, I'm going to keep playing with it a bit and see if maybe just a reboot takes care of it, if not, I'll mess with setting up an asound.conf. . . It just worked fine before, so I'm puzzled;->

[21:52:32]

gettinthere:

question: how important is apache to mythtv v .20?

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Led-Hed:

gettinthere, I think apache is only used for MythWeb

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Led-Hed:

which only needs to run on the backend (I Think)

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gettinthere:

i mean, i know it used to be crucial...the first time i was successful i had a full lamp server going, with ubuntu edgy...now, with subsequent mythtv version and feisty there is never any mention of setting up apache

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dath:

Sigh, my cpu usage has spiked way up as well, something is definitely not right after that last reboot. . .

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gettinthere:

Led-Hed, yes, that seems to make sense, but now, with gentoo, i get my mythtbackend started at boot, but no matter what i do, the frontend is always saying "Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?"

[21:57:28]

Led-Hed:

gettinthere, apache has nothing to do with that error.

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gettinthere:

and when i try to start mythbackend as a user, i get: Main::Starting HttpServer

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gettinthere:

2007-08–19 17:48:39.274 Main::Registering HttpStatus Extension

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gettinthere:

Segmentation fault

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gettinthere:

"

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Led-Hed:

disable MythWeb plugin

[21:58:32]

gettinthere:

i haven't even got mythweb downloaded yet

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gettinthere:

or any plugins for that matter

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Led-Hed:

well if the backend is segfaulting right away then the frontend wont be able to connect to it.

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Led-Hed:

thus the "unable to connect" error

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gettinthere:

yes...but how do i find out what's causing this seg fault, in order to fix it?

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Led-Hed:

gettinthere, I'm not any good with gentoo, I wouldnt even know where to start

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BULLE:

gettinthere: gdb or make it dump and analyze the dump ?

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gettinthere:

ok, well thx for trying...gentoo is difficult, which is one reason why i wanted to learn it

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immolo:

gettinthere- have you checked the logs?

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gettinthere:

BULLE, how to gdb it? forgive me, but i'm still new at debugging...love the backtraces i'm getting with other apps

[22:02:21]

gettinthere:

immolo, they don't tell me much, i'm afraid

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BULLE:

gettinthere: best bet is to read some howto i would say

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immolo:

gettinthere- you are using the init.d scripts yes?

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gettinthere:

immolo, yes

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BULLE:

gettinthere: http://www.ffnn.nl/pages/articles/linux/gdb-g . . . er-intro.php

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immolo:

nano /etc/conf.d/mythbackend

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BULLE:

gettinthere: dunno if its good, it was something i found in my bookmarks

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immolo:

change myth_verbose to all

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immolo:

then /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart

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immolo:

and check the logs again

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BULLE:

gettinthere: that little howto show how to enable coredumping, and how to analyze them with gdb

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immolo:

while you do that I'll make a coffee

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BULLE:

mmm, c0ffee

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BULLE:

0xC0FFEE

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Akuma:

hello, quick question: how do I disable automatic recording when watching tv?

[22:05:43]

Akuma:

it seems that it records automatically whatever I am watching

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BULLE:

Akuma: you cant

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Akuma:

Oh

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BULLE:

Akuma: thats the way pause etc in live tv is done

[22:06:19]

Akuma:

is there any way to automatically delete whatever was recorded when I change a channel?

[22:06:26]

jarle:

Akuma: The recordings are automatically deleted when your disk is starting to fill up...

[22:06:37]

Akuma:

hmm

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BULLE:

Akuma: that is done automaticly when disk starts to fill up

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Akuma:

no way to actually specify say delete after an hour or something like that?

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gettinthere:

k, thx BULLE & immolo , i've copied these/implemented them...we'll see

[22:08:22]

jams:

Akuma- anything less then 5 minutes long is deleted right away, otherwise it's set to expire after 24 hours

[22:09:05]

Akuma:

so it is deleted after 24h?

[22:09:54]

jams:

it's set to autoexpire after 24 hours. That means the system can delete it if it needs the space.

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immolo:

anything from the logs yet gettinthere?

[22:12:32]

gettinthere:

i was just gonna look :)

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Akuma:

hmm, is there any plugin or something to actually perform the deletion?

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Akuma:

automatically after a certain time?

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gettinthere:

went from "not enough error messages in log" to "too much" lol

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immolo:

gettinthere- good pastebin it for me

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gettinthere:

k, will take a minute

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gettinthere:

!pastebin

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immolo:

ok, I'm not doing much in the way of fun :P

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gettinthere:

immolo, i do see that ownership * perms of recordings directory has changed somehow, i'll fix that now...but here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/663815

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immolo:

chown -R mythtv your recording share

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gettinthere:

already done

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immolo:

and remove the nfslock in commandline

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immolo:

then restart

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gettinthere:

immolo, some semi-success: at least it seems as if backend and frotnend are talking to each other...first time (as root, i forgot to exit) it segfaulted at a font, second time it was the same

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immolo:

log again?

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gettinthere:

<---------has never had a font cause probs before

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immolo:

last 6 lines should do

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immolo:

gettinthere- you should get a psp fonts a fun there

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immolo:

fonts are fun rather

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gettinthere:

psp fonts?

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DustyBin:

would somone kindly donate me a lirc.conf for mplayer

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immolo:

gettinthere- yeah mess a font up and you brick the thing :P

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gettinthere:

omg!!! tv is working

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matey:

lucky you

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gettinthere:

and i didn't do anything differently this time around

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immolo:

well there you go :P

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gettinthere:

not lucky...had some good help :) ty, ty, ty :)

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immolo:

you need to change that myth_verbose back to none

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immolo:

else you will get a filled up /var partition in around 3 minutes

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immolo:

:P

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gettinthere:

i will, soon...wait till i get the rest of this set up, some carefully-chosen plugins, for instance...oh, ok

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immolo:

gettinthere- finish setting up first then just don't leave it on all the time

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immolo:

and the gentoo-wiki has a great mythtv guide its where I started

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gettinthere:

ok...already had partition fill up awhile ago...thought failed portage ebuilds were being deleted and they were just going to root's trash, lol

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ReKlip3:

is there any down fall to using the latest non stable version of mythtv?

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hatlevip:

ReKlip3, have you used mythtv before?

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gettinthere:

anyone here used paypal? i'm thinking i'm gonna have to for my listings come sept 1st, but am nervous about getting an account (Canadian and can't use credit card)

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gettinthere:

i'm also a privacy nut, and won't use gmail for that reason :)

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Dagmar:

Just millions of people

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Dagmar:

No big deal

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gettinthere:

and millions use gmail, when it has worst privacy policies of almost anyone...so sorry, that's not exactly a roaring endorsement

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Dagmar:

Whataver.

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Dagmar:

Go back to your shack in the woods.

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hatlevip:

gmail is nice for mailing lists but that's about all i use it for

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Dagmar:

...and you have apparently never actualy read Gmail's privacy policy or you wouldn't be saying that.

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hatlevip:

why won't sd accept a canadian credit card?

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matey:

dont use gmail, its close to icq when it comes to privacy

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user__:

<user__> hey ive been trying to get the weather plugin working for ages but i allways get the same error

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user__:

<user__> ive checked out the latest code and compiled still get a error

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gettinthere:

Dagmar, no need for ur nastiness...i have read their policy ty, and so have lots of other pps who rate it the worst

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user__:

with tempratures showing -13 and others showing unknown

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gettinthere:

u obviously are the one who's uninformed

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Dagmar:

Those people are wrong.

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gettinthere:

yeah...right

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Dagmar:

...and you're the one showing everyone just how educated your opinion is with your craptacular English.

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matey:

his english has nothing to do with gmails policy

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Dagmar:

His fabrications, on the other hand, do bear on the subject.

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gettinthere:

Dagmar, why don't u jump off a cliff? insulting ppl for no reason is not appropriate here

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user__:

anyone know why the weather plugin doesnt work?

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Dagmar:

gettinthere: You started it.

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hatlevip:

user__, there was some discussion about mythweather on the ml recently

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matey:

hah

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user__:

did it fix the problem?

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user__:

do you have a link to that?

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hatlevip:

user__, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Weather_sandbox

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hatlevip:

might help

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gettinthere:

no, u did, when u told me to go back to 'your shack in the woods'...and u can't read apparently, as I most certainly do...try scrolling up ^^^ b4 u say someone besides urself started it

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user__:

thaks

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user__:

*thanks

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user__:

that doesnt really help

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Dagmar:

gettinthere: Dude, if you're so paranoid as to be unable to use Paypal, and you think Gmail has some kind of horribly privacy policy, it's a perfectly natural assumption that you live in a shack in the woods, don't want "the Federals" on "yer land", and probably don't get out much.

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hatlevip:

user__, sorry, i haven't really even looked at setting it up, you get an error during compile?

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Dagmar:

s/horribly/horrible/;

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user__:

i get no error during compiling.

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gettinthere:

mythweather has been causing me probs, too, in my other workinig distro

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matey:

Dagmar: its not paranoid to actually read the policy and consider them as unacceptable

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Stop attacking the person. Many rational people have problems with Gmail and Paypal.

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gettinthere:

ty NightMonkey

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Dagmar:

No one but Google gets to use the info you give to them, which is a huge bit better than most other sides

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Dagmar:

s/sides/sites/;

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matey:

better?

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Dagmar:

...so I'm calling your claims about Google's privacy policy an outright LIE.

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user__:

hatevip, actually last time i tried it said it couldnt find the header file because i only co the plugins folder

[22:49:53]

NightMonkey:

Dagmar: But each of us can make a choice on how much they balance their privacy requirements vs. functionality. No reason not to consider the implications.

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Anduin:

user__: MythWeather in 0.20 is broken

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user__:

thats the version i have, is there any way round this?

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Dagmar:

Jeez! Schedules Direct could tell people what channels you watch! Onoes!

[22:51:27]

gettinthere:

NightMonkey, i'm actually considering using PayPal because I have started wading through all their policies...just kinda wonder why so many people hate PayPal...with gmail i can understand cause i've read the thoughtful analysis

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Dagmar:

NightMonkey: There's "making your own decisions" and theres "dissemination of deliberate misinformation"

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gettinthere:

and then there's attacking ppl u don't know because of your own erroneous ass-umptions :)

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user__:

<Anduin> can this be fixed....or a way round it

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gettinthere:

bye for now folks

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Anduin:

user__: There was a patch floating in trac I believe, there are problems with the weather.com usage agreement though so you will not see anything official.

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user__:

i found a link but i couldnt find the file

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user__:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/mythweathe . . . /mythplugins

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user__:

not there

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matey:

does the backend require a graphic adapter with a certain memory size?

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matey:

i got a 2mb, and tells me "access violation"

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Dagmar:

The backend doesn't require a video card at all

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blackest:

anyone awake

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jarle:

yeah...

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blackest:

i am trying hard to get lirc working but something isn;t quite right i have two com ports one with a receiver the other with a transmitter i have stuck my transmitter to the receiver and the reciever is flashing when i send

[23:33:59]

blackest:

i opened two terminals and am trying to send from one to the other

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jarle:

never used lirc, sorry...

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blackest:

the reciever definately is recieving something but it doesn't seem to know what it is !

[23:35:22]

blackest:

thanks anyway jarle :) two days at this now and i am finally getting somewhere

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jarle:

guess there should be some pages at the wiki that could give you some help, but you probably looked there already...

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blackest:

gawd my eyes are going square trying to match up different distro instructions

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blackest:

i figured i should be able to loop back to my receiver but it makes no sense of the data its receiving

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DustyBin:

im trying to compile mythstream and i get this error

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DustyBin:

../libs/fft.h:35:18: error: fftw.h: No such file or directory

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DustyBin:

ive installed fftw2

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pat__:

have you installed fftw2 header files?

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DustyBin:

no i didnt

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DustyBin:

fftw-dev – library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms

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DustyBin:

thats better

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DustyBin:

thank you

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Dagmar:

THat's not where that comes from, IIRC

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DustyBin:

i installed fftw3-dev too

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DustyBin:

there wasnt one for fftw2

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Dagmar:

You need fftw 2.1.5

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DustyBin:

it seemed to compile ok, when i click on streams settings mythfrontend quits but i cannot read the error on my tv screen

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DustyBin:

eek i think it says segmentation fault

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