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Saturday, August 18th, 2007, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:20] gbee: no wonder I'm so tired, didn't realise it was so late
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[00:31:07] Travis|iMac: hi I have 2 HD LCD TVs, my Mythbackend is connected to one and can play HD content with no problem, but my other system is an old 700Mhz and is unable to play HD content
[00:31:18] Travis|iMac: what are the minimum specs for an HD Frontend?
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[00:36:10] ShockValue: yeah, no way a 700mhz can play HD
[00:36:16] ShockValue: its very CPU intensice
[00:36:17] ShockValue: ive
[00:36:27] Travis|iMac: yeah I am looking for something to replace
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[00:36:52] ShockValue: i have a 2.8ghz p4 (first generation) with a fx5200 nvidia card, and it can /barely/ play HD
[00:36:59] toad_: what does "Waited too long for ringbuffer pause.." mean?
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[00:37:59] Travis|iMac: oh damn
[00:38:14] Travis|iMac: I was hoping maybe a 2.6Ghz Celeron with a decent video card....
[00:38:19] Travis|iMac: but thats not gonna work :P
[00:38:49] ShockValue: video card doesnt have much to do with it in my experience.. with XVMC enabled, it helped my proccessor out /maybe/ 5%
[00:38:51] toad_: ShockValue: no XvMC?
[00:39:04] toad_: odd
[00:39:16] toad_: i thought XvMC did just about the whole decode
[00:39:28] ShockValue: i saw very little difference between an fx5200 and a 7600gs .. i tried both in the same box with no other changes.
[00:39:44] Travis|iMac: hmm
[00:39:52] toad_: certainly when playing DiVX in mplayer, gl2 is significantly faster than Xv
[00:39:53] ShockValue: ive read that XVmC is very hit or miss.. in my case, miss...
[00:40:04] Travis|iMac: yeah I don't really wanna put anything too beefy
[00:40:28] Travis|iMac: my imac and E6400 have no problem playing HD video :P
[00:40:32] toad_: yeah, the recent drivers don't support it at all for the 8xxx, and it doesn't work on my 6600, at least not for divx
[00:40:36] Travis|iMac: but my AMD 3300+ does
[00:41:04] toad_: what does "Waited too long for ringbuffer pause.." mean?
[00:43:02] Travis|iMac: I know it's not mythtv but does anyone have an experience with the HD Network media players
[00:43:34] Travis|iMac: it seems like they wouldn't support all of the codecs I need (divx, xvix, MP4, H.264 HD
[00:44:22] Anduin: toad_: How many times do you see it?
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[00:52:31] toad_: or "TFW, Error: Write() IOBOUND end" ?
[00:52:40] toad_: Anduin: hmmm
[00:53:08] toad_: Anduin: 10 or so, then the frontend crashes out of the recording
[00:53:24] toad_: i've had it a few times, it's not reached the end of the recording because if i go back in i can watch the rest of it
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[00:54:41] toad_: before that we have several "NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times"
[00:55:01] toad_: aha
[00:55:20] toad_: RingBuf(<filename>) Error: Waited 16 seconds for data, aborting.
[00:55:28] toad_: that's probably something to do with it
[00:56:26] toad_: at the same time we have in the backend log TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND end
[00:56:29] toad_: and related errors
[00:56:55] toad_: and it seems to be sandwiched by an EIT scan
[00:57:10] toad_: hmmmm
[00:57:12] Travis|iMac: hmm laptop has 0 problem playing HD vieo
[00:57:31] toad_: i'm not convinced that's the whole story though, we had a similar issue some hours earlier though we had two just now
[00:59:30] Anduin: toad_: the IOBOUND Write error is the RingBuffer running out of buffer space because actual writes are not keeping up
[01:00:52] toad_: okay, and this would happen during recording as well as during live tv?
[01:01:00] toad_: is an EIT scan especially stressful disk-wise?
[01:01:30] Anduin: I have no idea.
[01:02:58] my2keh: toad_>> I don't think so, at least i don't notice a lot on mine
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[01:04:38] toad_: it's odd that i'd have disk speed problems ... admittedly i'm doing quite a lot on this box, but it's LVM over 2 recent 500Gs and 1 160G, all SATA...
[01:04:43] toad_: so they'll all have DMA etc...
[01:04:57] toad_: and 4G of RAM too, although a lot of it's in use
[01:05:33] toad_: maybe it would help to move all the mythtv stuff onto a single drive...
[01:06:15] my2keh: I have about a 750GB LVM
[01:06:22] my2keh: one Sata drive the rest IDE
[01:06:32] my2keh: 2 GB
[01:06:39] my2keh: although this box only does myth
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[01:28:45] floppyears: the picture provided by mythtv is a little darker than live tv
[01:28:57] floppyears: is there a setting somewhere that I can change or adjust ?
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[01:36:05] rooaus: floppyears: Try "M" when watching live TV and the "Adjust Picture" menu, not sure if the settings are sticky though.
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[01:37:29] floppyears: thanks rooaus
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[01:37:46] Leebier: i am trying to set up an IR blaster (serial) to change channels and irsend is givign an error "irsend: hardware does not support sending". if it makes a difference, it is the 2nd device for lirc
[01:38:52] floppyears: when I'm viewing the program guide and there's a program that I want to watch, how can I go to that channel ?
[01:39:01] floppyears: if I press enter, it takes me to the record menu
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[01:40:04] rooaus: floppyears: There is a setting about how far in the future the record vs switch, if 15mins in the future then record etc.
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[01:40:32] xris: floppyears: you can also tweak the gamma/etc in the video card.
[01:40:49] floppyears: xris: which one would you recommend tweaking ?
[01:41:18] xris: depends on how the recordings look on a different computer.
[01:41:41] xris: if they're dark elsewhere, then the recording prefs need to be changed.. if they look fine on other machines, then it's just the local machine's video settings.
[01:41:43] floppyears: ok
[01:43:35] ** xris grumbles about how much IE sucks to develop javascript for. **
[01:43:55] rooaus: floppyears: Mythweb has the keybindings listed and you can even change them from there or use the Mythcontrols plugin to view and change the keybindings.
[01:43:56] Gorbulas: are there firewire based video inputs that include TV tuners?
[01:44:09] ** xris also curses that control-R tells vmware to "reboot" rather than the browser inside of vmware to "reload page" **
[01:44:35] xris: Gorbulas: huh? you get the firewire signal from a tuner. no need for a second
[01:44:53] Gorbulas: ?
[01:45:12] Gorbulas: IE refreshes when you press f5 iirc
[01:45:17] Anduin: It does
[01:45:22] ** rooaus pities xris having to deal with javascript on IE **
[01:45:37] Gorbulas: I haven't found a TV tuner that I can connect over firewire
[01:45:47] xris: Gorbulas: yes, but I instinctively hit control-r
[01:46:05] xris: Gorbulas: you can only get firewire from an HD cable box.
[01:46:19] xris: and only in the US and parts of canada, and only if you ask your provider nicely
[01:46:42] xris: if you don't fall under one of those categories, you need something else.
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[01:47:16] Gorbulas: :( I was hoping for a firewire based TV tuner so I could avoid devices that won't work on Linux/Mac OS X or require special software to use
[01:47:58] xris: firewire isn't the way to go, then... requires the most tweaking of everything.
[01:48:17] xris: I think that the usb version of the pvr-150 (don't know the part name) works in linux.. no clue about mac.
[01:48:29] xris: linuxtv.org has a good list of supported hardware
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[01:54:00] floppyears: also, right now I have my speakers connected to the mythbox and I use alsa to control the volume
[01:54:11] floppyears: can I use my remote + lirc to control the volume levels ?
[01:55:31] xris: floppyears: mythtv has its own volume control.. if you want, you can map your remote to that, and let mythtv do the work
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[01:55:48] xris: otherwise, you should be able to execute commandline triggers for lirc to raise/lower the volume
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[02:07:49] floppyears: mythfrontend is not responding for me
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[02:08:09] floppyears: after pre-scaling the theme I just get the bg of the default theme
[02:08:35] floppyears: this is the output of mythfrontend: http://pastebin.com/m5d110e57
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[02:12:36] jebs: i am installing 1 machine to run myth tv backend and front end, but i still get error, Master IP could not connect, blah blah check settings
[02:12:46] jebs: i dont see how this is happening, as its on the same machine, and same ip
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[02:15:29] rooaus: floppyears: Not sure what your problem is, try starting "mythfrontend --verbose all", this might give you a hint.
[02:15:57] rooaus: jebs: Have you set the ip address using mythtv-setup?
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[02:19:19] jebs: yes
[02:19:58] rooaus: jebs: Firewall?
[02:22:13] floppyears: rooaus: I think it might be something that I did to the current theme, I was changing some of the options and I probably broke something
[02:22:16] floppyears: how can I reset it ?
[02:22:19] jebs: nope
[02:23:24] rooaus: floppyears: Do you mean you were editing the theme files or just changed the settings in the GUI?
[02:25:22] floppyears: changing settings through the GUI
[02:26:08] rooaus: What version of myth, a binary packaged version, or svn -fixes or svn trunk?
[02:26:27] floppyears: Library API version  : 0.20.20070717–1
[02:26:27] floppyears: Source code version  : 14205
[02:26:28] floppyears: SVN Branch  : trunk
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[02:28:56] rooaus: floppyears: Did you change the painter setting? I think using the opengl painter sometimes resulted in nothing being displayed. You can override the setting from the command line though.
[02:30:24] floppyears: yes I changed that
[02:30:59] rooaus: That may not be a problem anymore though, but try "mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt" to force qt painter as you are using OpenGL (logs show it).
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[02:31:16] rooaus: That is O for Over ride.
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[02:33:17] floppyears: rooaus: so what should I change the painter to ?
[02:33:57] floppyears: nevermind you already said qt
[02:34:00] rooaus: ^^^ "mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt"
[02:34:03] rooaus: np
[02:35:21] rooaus: floppyears: There are only two options, "opengl" or "qt"
[02:35:37] floppyears: that fixed it
[02:35:39] floppyears: thanks
[02:36:30] rooaus: floppyears: Cool, I think you will need to set the painter from the gui now as the command line override is only for that session, I think.
[02:37:37] rooaus: floppyears: I can't remember what caused that issue with the OpenGL painter but if you search the mail archives you would probably find the reason.
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[03:05:48] Fnc: if i have an iso and am playing it back through video... and it has subtitles turned on defualty.. how do i turn them off?
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[03:08:14] GreyFoxx: Assuming you are using the internal player, Menu, Subtitles (or CC) -> Off
[03:14:30] Fnc: thx,,, had to pull out the keyboard.. guess i dont have a menu on my remote... gunna have to fix that
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[03:14:40] Fnc: has anyone used a skywalker-1?
[03:19:47] floppyears: ok, I'm using mythtv, and I am turning the volume up & down and it shows on the screen
[03:19:55] floppyears: but the speakers don't reflect any changes
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[03:57:36] floppyears: I have 2 tuners
[03:57:47] floppyears: and I have 2 recordings scheduled to start in 3 min
[03:58:03] floppyears: but one of them says that it's conflicting, shouldn't it be able to record both shows ?
[04:00:24] floppyears: never mind it was 3 shows recording
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[04:09:49] robbins876: This isn't the right channel, but I'll ask because i dont' know they right one...how do i rip a dvd to xvid?
[04:10:16] tank-man: did you google it?
[04:10:27] robbins876: yeah, i got dvd::rip, but it did an awful job
[04:10:31] tank-man: google mencoder dvd xvid
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[04:18:56] Gorbulas: Travis|iMac: that depends
[04:19:11] Gorbulas: if you have a hardware decoder you barely need anything
[04:19:22] Travis|iMac: well I am trying to build a frontend to play HD video (most H.264)
[04:19:39] Travis|iMac: and I want to go cheap as possible
[04:21:15] JeffATL: everything going o.k. w.r.t. using 2.6.22 kernel?
[04:21:17] JeffATL: w/ ivtv?
[04:21:17] Travis|iMac: so no hardward decoder really
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[04:22:28] Travis|iMac: wonder if an AMD X2 4000+ would be able to handle HD
[04:23:25] Travis|iMac: my brothers 3700+ seemed to play if fine, but that had video card so that might have made a difference
[04:23:47] Gorbulas: a hardware decoder is probably a better idea than a fast processor
[04:24:26] Travis|iMac: how much would a hardware decoder cost?
[04:24:50] Travis|iMac: see my HD files are in a few different formats, Divx HD, H.264 etc.
[04:25:33] Gorbulas: and if you can't do hardware decoding, a decent video card should be able to provide some acceleration anyway
[04:25:59] Gorbulas: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC may help
[04:26:01] GreyFoxx: Travis|iMac: My XP2500+ Can play 1080P
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[04:26:05] GreyFoxx: mpeg2 that is
[04:26:11] GreyFoxx: h264 is another matter
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[04:26:30] Travis|iMac: currently the frontend is a 700Mhz celeron, so obviously I don't even think a hardware encoder would play then
[04:26:40] Travis|iMac: h.264 is a must
[04:27:13] GreyFoxx: a 700mhz machine would be fine for standard definition stuff, but not HDTV
[04:28:04] Travis|iMac: yeah currently it has been used for standard, but now I am gonna replace it with a new system that can handle HD
[04:28:25] Travis|iMac: I am thinking an AMD 4000+ with a FX5200 should be able to handle H.264
[04:28:36] GreyFoxx: the state of h264 playback is still in flux a bit as the linux based decoding is being improved daily
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[04:28:57] GreyFoxx: if janneg was around he might be able to give some real hardware requirements
[04:29:31] Travis|iMac: since I happen to be building a 4000+ box for a friend I will try out H.264 on that in a few days
[04:30:06] floppyears: mythtv cools quite cool as a frontend :)
[04:30:26] GreyFoxx: ummm. huh ? :)
[04:32:12] floppyears: my machine is both a frontend and backend
[04:32:28] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[04:32:29] floppyears: it has some shows scheduled to recod.
[04:32:41] Travis|iMac: hmm AMD 3300+ 754 can't play my HD vidz
[04:32:48] Travis|iMac: wonder if a video card would help that
[04:32:50] floppyears: does the frotend have to be running for the programs to record or is the backend enough ?
[04:32:59] GreyFoxx: floppyears: Just the backend
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[04:35:11] ** GreyFoxx goes to read the schedulesdirect forums **
[04:36:58] floppyears: oh, I didn't know there were forums
[04:40:10] floppyears: wow, that's a lot of approved apps for schedules direct
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[04:43:19] Aval0n: guys when you have a power supply that's 24 pin
[04:43:30] Aval0n: do you need to connect the other 12v 4 pin cable as well"
[04:43:32] Aval0n: ?
[04:44:14] GreyFoxx: floppyears: They were just openned to the public yesterday
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[04:51:04] floppyears: there's quite a lot of activity already
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[04:53:59] robbins876: What is schedulesdirect all about? why not just use zap2it?
[04:54:30] GreyFoxx: robbins88: zap2it is shutting down their free feed on Sep 1st
[04:54:39] robbins876: those ass jammers!
[04:55:04] floppyears: robbins876: go to http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/index.php to find out more abou tit
[04:55:57] robbins876: so i should swtich over right now, then?
[04:56:20] floppyears: you can't it's not ready yet
[04:56:38] floppyears: they have the programming done to use the data feed
[04:56:41] GreyFoxx: it'll likely be a week before it's publically available
[04:56:54] floppyears: but right now they are still working on a system to let users login and pay
[04:56:54] GreyFoxx: odds are beta testing to start this weekend
[04:57:01] floppyears: wow
[04:57:16] GreyFoxx: I've been using it on my stuff for a few days, works fine
[04:57:33] floppyears: cool
[04:57:41] GreyFoxx: and an experimental patch is in the ticket system for myth
[04:57:48] GreyFoxx: it's a simple change at this point
[05:00:30] robbins876: sweet, i like to pay for good stuff
[05:01:16] GreyFoxx: It's definately worth the money to me, and even more so as the price goes down :)
[05:04:17] ** GreyFoxx heads to bed **
[05:06:15] floppyears: GreyFoxx: how did you get into the early beta test group ?
[05:07:44] floppyears: good night GreyFoxx
[05:17:41] Travis|iMac: pay for guide data?
[05:28:49] floppyears: yes, sd will not be free, but as more people subscribe they hope to bring the price down to $20 per year
[05:35:41] Travis|iMac: why charge? it's just guide data
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[05:44:35] floppyears: the data is not freely avaialbe
[05:44:42] floppyears: you should google for schedules direct
[05:44:51] floppyears: they explain it in their website
[05:54:32] Travis|iMac: meh someone could comeup with a simple script to scrape the listings from like yahoo tv or some other place
[05:55:02] floppyears: yes, that's another option as well, and somebody will eventually do that
[05:55:21] floppyears: althoug mythtv doesn't encourage it because it violates the TOS of that website
[05:55:43] floppyears: also if the website changes something in the code, the scraper script will need to be fixed.
[05:59:39] Travis|iMac: yeah
[06:02:15] Tanthrix: Essentially, if you're going to bitch about the data not being free, go bug your cable company about it, not schedules direct. (They really ought to put that in big letters on the front page)
[06:02:34] Tanthrix: They've got us by the balls in more ways than one, for certain.
[06:02:59] Travis|iMac: I just find it interesting that that data isn't freely avaliable
[06:04:26] Tanthrix: There's no such thing as a free lunch, so the saying goes
[06:04:51] Tanthrix: Even if you're entitled to that lunch, as the case can be made
[06:04:52] Gorbulas: unless your lunch can be multiplied at almost no cost
[06:04:55] Travis|iMac: free lunch I can understand, but free guide data :P
[06:07:19] Tanthrix: Well, someone still has to setup and update a system to provide those updates, as well as bandwidth, etc..., so I can understand why it's not done
[06:07:41] Tanthrix: Especially considering the near microscopic amount of people who actually need such things – just no incentive for companies to provide it
[06:08:07] Tanthrix: Good ole' capitalism at work, for better or worse
[06:08:47] Tanthrix: Personally, I'm much more annoyed with the encryption lockin issues with digital cable than this – I don't feel too entitled to free guide data in a machine usable form, but I do feel entitled to use the cable that I do have in a way that I please
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[06:54:43] Aval0n: how come beryl doesn't work well with mythtv
[06:54:45] Aval0n: what does it cause?
[06:54:48] Aval0n: anyone?
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[07:05:07] kambei: Aval0n: What does "doesn't work well" entail?
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[07:09:17] floppyears: hi guys, a lot of the things I set out to record say that the file could not be found
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[07:39:10] pretender_: is anyone running pclos 2007 that can recommend a how to guide for mythtv install
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[08:12:54] rooaus: gbee: Howdy
[08:15:19] gbee: hi
[08:17:03] rooaus: Noticed a log entry that comes from the GANT bkg image conversion, "Unable to find image file: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T/bkg/grey.jpeg"
[08:19:32] rooaus: Not a big deal and the background image is rendered, I will look into it in a sec. Should I post back here or create a ticket?
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[08:46:41] Esine: Does anyone here have Technotrend C1500 PCI? This is urgent..
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[08:53:19] drunken-wallaby: I've a little problem. anyone who knows if it is possible to get sound from 2 tv-cards (none with an internal audio-out :( ) and a sound-card with just one audio-in? is there a switch existing where i can use the only line-in from the sound-card with the two line-outs from the tv-cards?
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[08:53:57] Ribs: ermmm, no
[08:54:12] Ribs: why not get another sound card?
[08:54:19] Ribs: they are pretty cheap these days
[08:56:00] drunken-wallaby: ribs ok, this is the last alternative. i've a matx motherboard and pretty nothing left. should i go for a usb card?
[08:56:20] Ribs: ah, no slots?
[08:56:30] rooaus: gbee: Found the prob... trivial fix, need to update filename in G.A.N.T/qtlook.txt.
[08:57:29] Ribs: drunken-wallaby, can you not replace the existing sound card?
[08:59:40] drunken-wallaby: ribs i've an asrocks aline nf6g-dvi card with internal 7.1 soundcard which is connected with a hauppauge pvr-150. however, when i record a program, i'd like to be able to both watch and listen to tv with my old hauppauge pci-fm :)
[09:00:18] Ribs: ah, I see
[09:00:26] Ribs: you could be a cheapskate and get extra speakers
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[09:03:07] gbee: rooaus: thanks for pointing that out, will fix it
[09:03:51] gbee: and sorry for not replying earlier, I was making breakfast :)
[09:04:19] dath: Hello, I'm wondering, does anyone have any issues with OSD fade causing video choppiness with 0.20+?
[09:05:20] rooaus: gbee: np, a mans gotta eat :)
[09:05:43] dath: Anyone?
[09:05:58] gbee: dath: you'll need to be patient
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[09:06:38] dath: No problem:->
[09:06:48] drunken-wallaby: ribs alright. i just found that the speedlink ultra portable audio card (usb) is pretty good rated at amazon and quite cheap as well +linux compatible so i'll try this one :)
[09:06:58] Ribs: drunken-wallaby, be carefull
[09:07:01] drunken-wallaby: ribs thx anyway a lot for helping me :)
[09:07:04] drunken-wallaby: ribs why?
[09:07:08] Ribs: how do you know it's "Linux compatible"?
[09:07:11] Ribs: 'cos the box says so?
[09:07:14] Ribs: don't be fooled
[09:07:14] dath: I've just started working on setting up this box (it's my first one). . .
[09:07:34] Ribs: they often give you a really crappy module to compile yourself, which works with kernel 2.6.9 or something stupid
[09:07:49] Ribs: so make sure other people can plug it in, and it 'just works'
[09:07:50] gbee: alsa + USB audio = crashy goodness
[09:07:56] Ribs: check forums of your distro
[09:08:03] drunken-wallaby: ribts no, because in the amazon comments on the german site several people wrote they tried it successfully with ubuntu (so, it will work with any other distro i think)
[09:08:17] Ribs: ah, cool
[09:08:32] dath: Better question, does anyone know how to turn off osd fading? Do I just set fadeaway to 0 in the osd.xml file(s)?
[09:08:47] drunken-wallaby: gbee ok thx for the hint. i hope my lucky strike continues, i've never ever had any problems with alsa :)
[09:09:01] drunken-wallaby: ribs so i think i'll take the risk :)
[09:09:23] Ribs: good luck :)
[09:10:22] gbee: drunken-wallaby: well I'm glad to hear, my usb audio speakers cause the USB subsystem to crash – it a very old and known alsa bug, which unfortunately no-one seems interested in fixing at the moment
[09:10:59] rooaus: dath: Try changing to qt painter, "mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt" for command line over ride. Or in setup->appearance I think.
[09:11:50] dath: I thought I already did that, but I'll double check. . . After trying setting fadeaway to '0' I'm now having trouble restarting mythfrontend. . . No menus, not even after I set it back:-< Doh!
[09:11:56] drunken-wallaby: gbee using it with oss?
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[09:12:50] jthomas_work: how can I restore database for mysql ?
[09:12:52] gbee: drunken-wallaby: not using it at all right now
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[09:13:17] ReKlipz: hello everyone
[09:13:21] drunken-wallaby: gbee ok, i see. which usb card do you have?
[09:13:45] jthomas_work: because I got Can't find file: 'cardinput' (errno: 2)
[09:13:45] jthomas_work: I can't read from cardinput table ;(
[09:13:49] ReKlipz: can someone guide me through getting a 6200 to work with mythtv? I got the firewire port stabilized, and ran mythtv-setup
[09:13:59] gbee: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0d8c:0103 C-Media Electronics, Inc.
[09:14:46] dath: huh, I really screwed something up, I nuked my local .mythtv and still no joy loading things back up again. . .
[09:18:09] ReKlipz: does anyone use a 6200?
[09:18:19] sebrock: used a 6150 recently
[09:18:59] ReKlipz: hmm, would you mind helping me out then?
[09:19:07] sebrock: what is your problem?
[09:19:51] ReKlipz: honestly, its that i dont know what im doing (im pretty technically inclined, just new to all of mythtv)
[09:20:08] ReKlipz: i followed a guide which got my firewire port stabilized
[09:20:21] ReKlipz: i then ran mythtv-setup
[09:20:28] ReKlipz: and tried to download my listings from zap2it
[09:20:35] ReKlipz: but it froze at 50%
[09:20:35] sebrock: well, 6200 is the nvidia card?
[09:20:39] ReKlipz: so i had to reboot
[09:20:48] ReKlipz: motorola 6200...
[09:20:51] ReKlipz: the set top box
[09:20:52] ReKlipz: =)
[09:21:02] sebrock: oh, thought you where talking about the graphics
[09:21:08] sebrock: sorry I have no idea then
[09:21:15] ReKlipz: yeah, thats ok, thanks!
[09:21:26] rooaus: dath: Setting fadeaway=0? Where did you set this?
[09:21:30] DustyBin: i cannot seem to find a screen snapshot tool using apt-cache search? i can only see ksnapshot, anyone recommend one?
[09:22:32] DustyBin: scrot!
[09:22:34] DustyBin: thats the one
[09:22:50] ReKlipz: how do i stop the myth backend?
[09:23:05] DustyBin: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop
[09:23:07] dath: in the osd.xml file. I changed it back and I just reinstalled mythtv-common (this is a Ubuntu feisty box). . . Still no joy, I'm rebooting. . .
[09:23:45] ReKlipz: thank you
[09:23:46] jthomas_work: how I can populate tables in mythconverg database ?
[09:24:08] dath: Nope, I still have no menus, I just get the background screen now. Auggghhhh!
[09:24:40] dath: Does the frontend keep a log file anywhere by default? I have this all starting up automagically at the moment. . .
[09:24:46] ReKlipz: howcome when i run mythtv-setup, my cursor dissapears everywhere but over text boxes?
[09:25:42] dath: ReKlipz: It hides the mouse cursor by default. . .
[09:25:54] ReKlipz: hmm, alrighty then
[09:26:20] dath: ReKlipz: You can turn it off if you want, though at the moment I can't get to my menus, so I can't tell you where;->
[09:26:48] ReKlipz: =) thanks
[09:26:57] dath: I've just about hit my frustration tolerance for the day, I had just about everything working and then I blew things up somehow. . .
[09:27:00] DustyBin: if you look at this snapshot of my desktop you will see top what is running on my VPS webserver, do those memory levels look really low to you?
[09:27:03] DustyBin: http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/2007-08-18-10 . . . 24_scrot.png
[09:27:38] dath: rooaus: I just tried a different user account and I see the same behavior, no menus are drawn.
[09:27:50] gbee: DustyBin: ksnapshot is pretty good imho
[09:27:53] ReKlipz: so, what is a video source? from the verbage, it sounds like it would be a source of video, but thats a capture card/device. so is a video source just a listing of available channels and the like?
[09:28:40] dath: Oh, whoops, I think I figured out what I did. . . I turned off glx and I hadn't restarted X since that change. . . Doh!
[09:28:51] gbee: dath: that might do it
[09:29:26] ReKlipz: since im using the 6200, in the input connections, do i need to specify an external channel change command?
[09:29:30] gbee: ReKlipz: videosource is badly named, it's more Guide Source or channel provider
[09:29:53] dath: gbee: That was it, it's working again. . . I saw a bunch of complaints when I ran it from a terminal:->
[09:30:51] gbee: ReKlipz: if you were getting your channels from say satellite on one card and cable on another card, then you'd have two videosources (different sets of channels)
[09:31:01] ReKlipz: ahh ok
[09:31:10] ReKlipz: what about 4 STB's?
[09:31:19] ReKlipz: i could use the same source?
[09:31:22] dath: The choppiness with the OSD is driving me nuts, I'm only at about 50% cpu normally. . .
[09:31:56] ReKlipz: i think i got it all working finally
[09:32:08] gbee: if they all have the same channels and channel numbers then they should share the same source
[09:32:10] dath: Probably a NVidia bug knowing them . . .
[09:32:17] ReKlipz: just ran mythfilldatabase
[09:32:35] ReKlipz: what do i do once this finishes?
[09:33:16] ReKlipz: i gotta run a frontend?
[09:33:18] gbee: dath: do you have any de-interlacing enabled? Make sure opengl vsync is enabled
[09:33:32] gbee: ReKlipz: start the backend first, then the frontend
[09:33:55] ReKlipz: ok, do i have to do anything special, or will /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start work just fine?
[09:33:59] gbee: backend controls the recording etc and the frontend just connects to the backend
[09:34:04] ReKlipz: (since im using a 6200)
[09:34:15] ReKlipz: does the backend have a UI?
[09:34:30] gbee: ReKlipz: I recommend running mythbackend from a terminal the first time, any errors will be obvious that way
[09:34:43] gbee: after that you can use the init script
[09:34:44] dath: gbee: yes, I'm using bob2 at the moment. I also have opengl vsync on. Tried setting menus to Qt, but it didn't stick? Strange.
[09:35:17] gbee: dath: OSD isn't connected to the QT/OpenGL painter setting
[09:35:28] ReKlipz: does mythfilldatabase just run forever?
[09:35:33] gbee: dath: does it work any better with bob turned off?
[09:35:44] gbee: ReKlipz: the first time it runs it takes a while
[09:35:53] ReKlipz: it keeps like looping
[09:35:58] gbee: ReKlipz: it's not
[09:36:00] ReKlipz: ok
[09:36:02] ReKlipz: cool
[09:36:28] gbee: ReKlipz: it's grabs data for each day in turn, so day 1, day 2 etc
[09:36:45] ReKlipz: ooh, that makes sense, i see it now, august 25
[09:36:47] gbee: it will stop when it's retrieved data for all available days
[09:36:57] dath: gbee: No, it now both looks horrible and is slow;->
[09:37:08] gbee: in future it will only grab data for days that it doesn't already have
[09:37:17] ReKlipz: and it runs automagically?
[09:37:22] ReKlipz: with mythbackend/
[09:37:46] gbee: ReKlipz: yes
[09:37:50] gbee: once a day
[09:38:02] dath: gbee: Do you think it could have anything to do with scaling the image down from 1080i?
[09:38:09] rooaus: dath: Qt painter can be set permanently from setup->appearance, the command line is a temporary over ride.
[09:38:16] ReKlipz: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firewire_Priming
[09:38:16] ReKlipz: is there any benefit in using that as opposed to just the regular channel changing script?
[09:38:42] gbee: dath: no idea, it's not a problem I've had to solve before, so I can't really help much
[09:39:12] dath: rooaus: Yeah, I managed to get it set, I set it from the menu the first time, but maybe I fat fingered something. . . It didn't help at any rate.
[09:39:37] dath: gbee: No problem, it isn't that big a deal. I'm just trying to throw this together before my wife gets back from a trip as a "surprise" for "her";->
[09:39:53] dath: First time using MythTV, so I'm pretty much a total newb. . .
[09:40:06] ReKlipz: dath, im in the same boat :P
[09:40:19] gbee: ReKlipz: don't have any firewire devices, so I can't be of much help there – at least in the development version I believe there is support for changing the channel directly from mythtv without the use of scripts but I don't know muc about it
[09:40:52] dath: ReKlipz: Glad to have some company;-> I really need better hobbies, I'm around computers *way* too much already;->
[09:40:55] gbee: dath: well I can say that it _shouldn't_ be doing that, so keep looking for a fix
[09:41:34] ReKlipz: i tried /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start, and it tossed an error ( Starting MythTV server: mythbackendstart-stop-daemon: unable to set initgroups() with gid 113 (operation not permitted) )
[09:41:38] ReKlipz: i ran it as mythtv
[09:41:39] dath: gbee: I played with it quite a lot before I decided to see if someone on IRC would have a solution for me;-> Google, you know the normal stuff... Other people have had the problem, but I didn't find any solutions or causes listed. . .
[09:42:00] gbee: you might have to try asking at a different time of day when other users/continents are online
[09:42:03] dath: Well, other than turning fadeaway off, but I'm not sure how to do that. . . I'm about ready to download the code and take a look.
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[09:42:46] gbee: dath: changing it in osd.xml should work
[09:43:01] dath: Changing it to '0' you mean?
[09:43:02] ReKlipz: seems i need to be root...
[09:43:30] gbee: yep
[09:43:39] ReKlipz: gbee: no errors on start, yay. how do i do the init script?
[09:43:46] dath: I wasn't sure if that was the right solution, I'll try again now that I fixed my glx being turned off problem;->
[09:44:08] gbee: dath: I wouldn't call it a solution, so much as a workaround
[09:44:38] dath: Well, I'm sure it will be fine for me for now. Obviously the eye-candy would be nice, but it isn't a must and I'd rather it not lag at every channel switch. . .
[09:44:39] gbee: ReKlipz: did you install from packages?
[09:44:46] ReKlipz: yes
[09:45:08] gbee: ok, you should be fine to just /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start
[09:45:29] rooaus: dath: Your problem is: The video gets choppy when the OSD is displayed? I recall this being a problem for some, try searching the mail archives.
[09:45:48] gbee: ReKlipz: and you don't need to be root, you may just need to change the permissions on the firewire device node
[09:46:04] ReKlipz: gbee: i should be fine to do that when? just once?
[09:46:44] gbee: ReKlipz: depends on whether your distro/udev insists on changing the permissions back to the old values every time you reboot
[09:46:50] dath: Ahh, so much better, no lag at all and it got rid of some flickering I had been having. . . It doesn't use compositing does it?
[09:47:10] ReKlipz: sorry, i meant about the starting of backend
[09:47:31] gbee: ReKlipz: ahh yep, it will run in the background
[09:47:55] gbee: so set it to start at boot and you'll be fine
[09:47:58] dath: I'm almost tempted to carry the thing into the living room and see if my S/PDIF out is working;->
[09:48:03] ReKlipz: okies
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[09:50:16] gbee: DustyBin: re memory, depends, do you really only have (96Mb ?) ;)
[09:50:26] jthomas_work: i got signal from my tuner but is interlaced , very badly
[09:50:46] ReKlipz: how do i change the permissions for 1394?
[09:51:02] dath: jthomas_work: Did you try turning on deinterlacing?
[09:51:16] jthomas_work: dath : where ?
[09:52:14] gbee: jthomas_work: depends how badly, could you get a screenshot? you may just need deinterlacing or it could be a problem with the capture settings (wrong res, rate etc)
[09:52:15] dath: jthomas_work: Utilities / Setup -> Setup -> TV Settings -> Playback (then select Deinterlace playback)
[09:52:38] rooaus: dath: So ensuring that glx was loaded in xorg.conf was the answer?
[09:53:23] dath: rooaus: Not to the osd slowness, but to my lost menus. . . I turned off fading to "fix" my osd slowness. . . The glx issue was just stupidity, I was playing with my xorg.conf and I forgot I had turned it off. . .
[09:54:50] dath: Next stupid question of the day. . . Is there a simple way to turn off deinterlacing playback for specific channels?
[09:56:06] gbee: dath: not yet, I may implement it for 0.21
[09:57:09] jthomas_work: gbee: http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mythtvresizedrealjn7.png
[09:58:02] gbee: jthomas_work: ok, well that's definately a capture problem
[09:58:07] ReKlipz: when i click on "watch tv" in the frontend, all i get is a blank screen
[09:58:17] ReKlipz: (with the mouse cursor, because i turned that on)
[09:58:20] dath: gbee: good deal, I'm actually very impressed with the whole of MythTV. It really is awesome, most issues I've run into seem to really be outside of Myth itself. . .
[09:59:35] jthomas_work: gbee: where should I mess around ? Capture card / Video soruce / Input connection ?
[09:59:40] gbee: dath: that's normally the case – 90% of the issues that people have problems with are in fact nothing to do with mythtv, e.g. capture card drivers/setup, lirc setup, video drivers, packaging errors
[10:00:09] jthomas_work: or should I update my capture card driver :)
[10:00:17] gbee: jthomas_work: mythfrontend > setup > TV settings > Recording Profiles
[10:00:25] dath: gbee: Yep, so far my biggest problem was just getting my capture card setup. . .
[10:00:47] dath: Auggh, any idea who owns mythweather?
[10:01:04] gbee: sorry guys, I need to step away from the keyboard for a while
[10:01:10] ReKlipz: ok
[10:01:14] dath: my forecase is "eatherObj() {
[10:01:20] gbee: dath: it's broken in 0.20 because the source websites changed
[10:01:24] dath: gbee: Thanks for all of the help!
[10:01:28] jthomas_work: mhm... I get many parametres.. how should I know what to put there :/
[10:01:33] ReKlipz: anyone know why i would get a black screen when going to watch tv?
[10:01:40] gbee: we're slowly replacing it with a completely new version
[10:01:41] dath: gbee: Yeah, I know, I was thinking I may offer to fix it, I can't imagine it could be that difficult. . .
[10:01:47] dath: Oh, nevermind;->
[10:02:00] ReKlipz: it eventually goes back to the main menu, but i cant watch anything
[10:02:32] dath: ReKlipz: Any errors in your backend log?
[10:02:38] ReKlipz: donde?
[10:02:51] dath: el bano?
[10:03:03] ReKlipz: wheres the file, lol
[10:03:19] dath: oh, sorry, /var/log/mythtv most likely
[10:03:21] gbee: ReKlipz: varies from distro to distro
[10:03:24] dath: what OS are you running?
[10:03:36] ReKlipz: debian
[10:03:38] gbee: now I'm really gone ;)
[10:03:41] ReKlipz: bye
[10:03:44] dath: Yep, then what I said stands.
[10:03:45] ReKlipz: thanks for all the help
[10:06:50] rooaus: ReKlipz: As dath said, check your backend logs. If this is the first time you have tried viewing livetv, myth will tune to the last watch channel. You need to set that properly in mythtv-setup the first time.
[10:07:29] ReKlipz: ok
[10:08:41] ReKlipz: is there anyway to run mythtv without having to manually login?
[10:08:49] ReKlipz: is that what that rungetty ting does?
[10:09:19] dath: ReKlipz: There are numerous ways you can accomplish that. . .
[10:09:29] dath: If you're using gdm, you can setup autologin. . .
[10:09:49] dath: Ubuntu has a nice built-in way of handling it if you install everything correctly and in the correct order, it just works;->
[10:10:52] dath: You could write your own X startup script to handle it for you as well. . .
[10:11:42] dath: Shoot, I should run, it's 3:11am here and I have to go to work in the morning. . .
[10:11:48] ReKlipz: ok
[10:11:52] ReKlipz: i got this error:
[10:12:04] ReKlipz: ChannelBase: external tuning program exited with error 1
[10:12:20] ReKlipz: TVRec(1) Error: setting start channel
[10:12:28] ReKlipz: '1' failed, and backup
[10:12:31] dath: ReKlipz: Hmm, does 'dmesg' show anything interesting?
[10:12:33] ReKlipz: '1' failed as well
[10:12:41] ReKlipz: maybe tehre is no chan 1?
[10:12:57] dath: ReKlipz: That seems likely, did you set a start channel up when you ran myth-setup?
[10:13:13] ReKlipz: i think i set it to 1...
[10:13:39] dath: But you don't know if there is a channel 1 where you live?
[10:13:48] ReKlipz: i never watch the digital cable
[10:13:51] ReKlipz: so no
[10:13:53] dath: :->
[10:14:04] ReKlipz: but zap2it will tell me, no?
[10:14:09] dath: The channel has to exist to make it happy. You can have it scan the channels from mythtv-setup. . .
[10:14:27] ReKlipz: 1 is teh NEWS station
[10:14:52] ReKlipz: i think i may have messed up when setting the external channel script
[10:15:12] dath: I'd have it scan the channels just to make sure. Also, make sure you set it to the correct setting for your locale.
[10:15:33] ReKlipz: i cant have it scan, its a set top box, but i can have it fetch from listings source
[10:15:35] dath: mythtv-setup should let you just select scan channels or something like that.
[10:15:45] dath: Oh, okay.
[10:16:06] dath: I'm not sure about that, I haven't had cable or anything like it in over ten years. . .
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[10:16:18] ReKlipz: oh wow
[10:16:24] ReKlipz: then what are you doing with mythtv?
[10:16:28] ReKlipz: just get cable?
[10:16:47] dath: Just ATSC (HDTV over the air). . .
[10:16:51] ReKlipz: oic
[10:16:53] ReKlipz: very cool
[10:17:13] dath: Yeah, really, it was an excuse to buy some hardware to mess around with in my "spare" time;->
[10:17:14] ReKlipz: i hate to say this, but the itnerface for mythtv is god awful
[10:17:31] dath: Been using opensource long?
[10:17:43] ReKlipz: not too long
[10:17:51] dath: It definitely has some room for improvement, but all-in-all, I think it isn't too bad for what it is.
[10:17:59] ReKlipz: oh yea, its amazing
[10:18:45] dath: It is designed to be used with a remote control, so you have to take that into account. . . Setup is complicated due to the amount of hardware and standards it has to support. . .
[10:19:06] dath: I'm pretty impressed, though I've really only been using it since last night.
[10:19:23] ReKlipz: yeah
[10:19:24] dath: Definitely isn't for the faint of heart to get setup and working though.
[10:19:37] ReKlipz: i think the issue is with the 6200ch script
[10:19:50] ReKlipz: when i try to do it manually, it doesnt work either
[10:20:45] dath: Yeah, I finally made sure I could scan channels manually last night as that saved me a bunch of trouble. . . Of course I'm over the air, so I was fighting with several unknowns, not the least of which was a crappy "antenna". . .
[10:21:17] dath: I really should buy a real antenna, I just have a piece of wire with an alligator clip hanging from it at the moment. . .
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[10:21:59] ReKlipz: which card do you have?
[10:22:01] ReKlipz: lol
[10:22:03] dath: It's been good enough for our analog TV for the last however many years though;-> Well, everything has always been fuzzy, so this will be an improvement;->
[10:22:12] dath: I've got a Kworld ASTC 115
[10:22:32] dath: It wasn't the easiest card to get working certainly, but it does work.
[10:22:39] ReKlipz: cool
[10:22:48] ReKlipz: will it work with digital cable?
[10:22:53] ReKlipz: and not just over the air?
[10:23:02] dath: Actually, it would have been trivial if I had messed with any of this since the old analog v4l days. . .
[10:23:16] dath: Yeah, it will to QAM, but only unencrypted (that's all any of the cards will handle).
[10:26:05] dath: Well, have a good "evening" and good luck, I think I'm off to bed now before I turn into a pumpkin. . .
[10:28:00] ReKlipz: good night
[10:28:03] ReKlipz: and thanks
[10:28:11] ReKlipz: i should do the same, its 5:31 AM here
[10:31:40] rooaus: Night
[10:32:23] ReKlipz: omg it worked
[10:32:40] ReKlipz: i recompiled the 6200ch.c (adding my vendor id, because it wasnt in the list)
[10:32:48] ReKlipz: and it changed channels successfully
[10:32:55] ReKlipz: should i tell someone about my vendor_id?
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[10:37:30] rooaus: ReKlipz: Definitely, create a ticket at svn.mythtv.org.
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[12:47:41] gbee: any users having livetv transition problems?
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[12:52:01] janneg: gbee: in one of the live-tv tickets is an patch to set the duration of unknown programs to 2 minutes
[12:52:49] janneg: gbee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . et-2335.diff
[12:52:56] gbee: janneg: ok, thanks
[12:53:11] janneg: I should commit the simplification in that ticket
[12:53:37] gbee: I've been testing the fix I attached to #3789 on two backends overnight, it solved that problem for me and I was just about to commit it
[12:53:37] janneg: patch is written by me even if not uploaded
[12:55:28] janneg: I'm running multirec which has enough live-tv issues of it's one but transisitions work usually
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[13:04:20] gbee: ok, one livetv issue fixed, one to go
[13:06:24] janneg: what's left? I think you missed to close #2335
[13:10:49] gbee: #2335 isn't the same issue as #3786
[13:10:53] gbee: #3789
[13:12:40] gbee: At least I'll wait to see if #2335 still exists after this patch
[13:13:40] janneg: so there is another live-tv transition error?
[13:14:45] gbee: in #3786 we never even tried to transition, in #2335 we are trying to transition but reaching EOF before the next buffer is ready (either because the switch was too slow or because we failed to create the next file for some reason)
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[13:18:55] janneg: ok. I should hava looked closer at the errors
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[13:27:11] gbee: janneg: what do you think to the patch in http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2128
[13:27:41] gbee: you were looking at that problem a year ago and it might be a good fix for 0.20.2
[13:31:37] gbee: is seeking in Matroska still broken since the last ffmpeg resync? largest Mastroska test file I have just isn't big enough to test seeking
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[13:36:20] janneg: gbee: the last patch is fine
[13:39:18] janneg: the same need to be done for the mythplugins configure
[13:40:25] janneg: gbee: do you want to commit it? otherwise I would do it after my test of the unknown program endtime simplification
[13:40:52] gbee: I'm happy to commit it
[13:41:33] gbee: I'm just looking at open tickets to see if there are any issues which could be fixed in 0.20 before we release 0.20.2
[13:41:53] janneg: the patch doesn't apply anymore but I'll commit it in a way such only one constant has to be modified to change the program length
[13:42:11] rooaus: gbee: Seems paulh has squashed that music tree update issue, at least for me (and him I guess). http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/14210 :)
[13:42:53] gbee: rooaus, saw that
[13:43:40] gbee: just one reason why I hate trees though, rebuilding is far from ideal
[13:44:22] rooaus: gbee: I can list a couple (at least 1) no brainer tickets you could apply/close if that might help.
[13:44:57] gbee: rooaus: sure, well if they are 0.20/-fixes issues
[13:47:33] rooaus: I posted #3664 a while ago... ah 0.20/-fixes. Although I suspect the problem is there as well. Sorry, should read better next time before jumping in.
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[13:53:51] gbee: rooaus: I think I might wait on that one, if I'm going to fix it then I might first look for some alternative which doesn't use mplayer at all
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[13:58:44] rooaus: gbee: The mplayer dependency is already in there, not added by that patch. Mythrename.pl "died" when it found a recording that "$show->load_file_info()" didn't like. This meant that it wouldn't rename to rest of the recordings, the patch is really only to allow it to skip the "bad" recording.
[13:59:33] rooaus: I understand wanting to remove mplayer though.
[13:59:44] gbee: rooaus: I know the patch didn't add the dependancy, just that my preferred fix would be to find some other way to handle it
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[14:00:21] gbee: nothing wrong with your fix, just that I've never liked having to depend on mplayer/xine or other external apps for those sorts of jobs
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[14:04:58] rooaus: gbee: ok. As there doesn't seem to other people reporting the problem I experienced then I guess it's not a big problem. The weird thing was myth made the original recording that was being reported as NSV, very strange.
[14:05:21] Cyberai: hey, I'm trying to upgrade to the SVN version and when I try to compile I find out I need qmake. I can't find it and I can't seem to figure out where I can get it. I did install qt and qt-devel. What am I doing wrong?
[14:06:11] rooaus: Cyberai: I thought it is usaually part of qt-devel, what distro you using?
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[14:08:27] Cyberai: oops, foudn it
[14:08:36] Cyberai: they hid it in /usr/lib/qt-3.3/bin/
[14:08:40] Cyberai: fedora core 6
[14:08:45] Cyberai: weird place to put it
[14:08:53] Cyberai: oh well, it's in $PATH now  :)
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[14:12:52] kidbluz: Anyone using CentOS 5?
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[14:30:49] kslater: not for myth kidbluz
[14:30:53] kslater: but I use it
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[15:47:32] XXeR: does anyone have a link to a recent list of hardware that i could pick up locally (like at fry's) to build a mythtv system? everything i've found is outdated..
[15:47:57] Ribs: just buy a normal pc
[15:48:04] Ribs: stick a video card in there, voila
[15:48:50] XXeR: thanks, just one? seems like all the configs i've seen have frontends, a backend, and many capture cards.
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[15:54:53] tcpsyn: XXeR, depends on how big of a system you need.
[15:55:07] tcpsyn: It can all be done on one box, if that's all you need.
[15:55:34] tcpsyn: I have mine split front/back ... because I never reboot the backend.
[15:55:44] tcpsyn: But I'm doing other things on the frontend, so it's not up all the time.
[15:55:57] tcpsyn: that way the shows still get recorded, even if the frontend is down.
[15:57:49] XXeR: i see. thanks!
[16:00:22] kslater: I have 2 machines that a both frontend and backend
[16:00:35] kslater: and I have 2 more that have the ability to be frontends if needed
[16:00:40] kslater: (laptop and desktop)
[16:01:16] kslater: An old IBM thinkpad at 900Mhz PIII with Ubuntu makes a fine flat screen portable tv (using Mythfrontend)
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[16:02:56] AndyCap: kslater: mythtv-frontend is supercool on a laptop. if only one could switch fullscreen/window with a keypress. :P
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[16:10:45] kslater: AndyCap – agreed. That would be a very nice feature for that use case.
[16:13:25] Ribs: XXeR, another example: I have a backend and frontend on the one box, which has two video cards in it (so I can usually watch TV if it's already recording). But I'm thinking about putting a frontend on my PS3 as well
[16:13:27] AndyCap: no idea how much work it would be to implement though.
[16:13:38] Ribs: you can have really versatile set-ups with mythtv and the right know-how
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[16:32:15] immolo: anyone running mythweb under lighttpd?
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[16:36:10] jams: immolo- yes and it works
[16:37:03] immolo: jams- how are you redirecting the pages
[16:37:17] jams: yes that bit was annoying
[16:37:22] jams: one moment
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[16:38:23] immolo: thanks
[16:38:36] jams: http://paste.bigbudden.com/view.php?id=2170 thats from my lighttptd.conf file
[16:38:57] jams: it needs to be updated for svn mythweb as it has a new module
[16:40:28] immolo: I'm using fixes anyway
[16:40:48] jams: then it should work just fine
[16:40:55] immolo: thats worked a treat though, thanks again
[16:41:00] jams: sure
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[16:43:08] jams: immolo- how did you setup the db connection?
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[16:52:57] jthomas_work: hmm i got error : VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed
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[16:57:48] Dagmar: Well surely by now you know to Google that message
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[16:58:12] jthomas_work: yes I do
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[17:09:38] GreyFoxx: jthomas_work: You can ignore it
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[17:24:16] DustyBin: GreyFoxx: when was the last time you updated your mythtv svn install?
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[17:28:13] GreyFoxx: ummmm 2 or 3 hours ago
[17:28:18] GreyFoxx: maybe 4
[17:28:53] DustyBin: aye
[17:29:28] DustyBin: everytime you install a new svn does the mythconverg database run ok?
[17:30:20] GreyFoxx: how do you mean "run ok?" ?
[17:30:27] GreyFoxx: I stop mythbackend
[17:30:29] GreyFoxx: do a make install
[17:30:34] GreyFoxx: restart mythbackend and mythfrontend
[17:30:39] GreyFoxx: and away I go :)
[17:30:50] jams: sometimes i don't even stop the backend or frontend
[17:31:28] GreyFoxx: well if something auto restarts then they that would work too :)
[17:33:58] jams: yeah mine auto restarts
[17:35:14] GreyFoxx: I usually do /etc/rc.d/rc.mythtv start; tail -f /var/log/mythtv.log so that I can ensure everything started ok too
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[17:40:34] jams: man this grep is taking forever
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[17:40:57] jams: ah thats better
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[17:48:45] jams: dfasf
[17:48:56] jams: ignore that..
[17:51:15] jams: and in case your curious that is not my password =)
[17:52:46] Dagmar: So in case you're curious it's not me who's logge din
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[17:56:09] blackest: are there any channel lirc ers:)
[17:57:46] blackest: i'm trying to get lirc going as a transmitter
[17:58:21] blackest: with the problem that i don't know yet what to transmit or how
[17:59:24] blackest: hmm could i use an xbox as a learning remote ?
[17:59:42] blackest: it recieves just fine as a frontend
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[19:02:19] immolo: whoo my lighttpd and myth works great :D
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[19:21:25] Akuma: hello, can anywhere tell me where I can get the library libcaudio? I can't seem to find it anywhere
[19:21:35] Akuma: (for MythMusic)
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[19:22:41] immolo: Akuma- google
[19:22:51] immolo: or libcdaudio :P
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[19:24:42] drindt: hey guys, iam taken some considerations to build an box to watching videos play audio streams and such, and i find 2 products to do that, one is mythtv and one is vdr, but iam not sure which producte satisfact me more, someone can please point me to a comparison between these products? many thanks for your suggestions
[19:27:58] Akuma: Oh
[19:28:05] Akuma: it's libcDaudio
[19:28:05] Akuma: lol
[19:28:13] Akuma: that's why I wasn't finding anything
[19:28:22] Akuma: Thanks
[19:29:09] immolo: Akuma- I just typed that in google and the first result told me that
[19:29:25] immolo: but it is confusing
[19:29:57] Akuma: I typed libcaudio
[19:29:58] Akuma: lol
[19:30:53] directhex: drindt, neither is good for your use-case. both vdr and myth are designed for use in situations where a tv card plays a part
[19:31:07] directhex: drindt, consider freevo or eliza as less tv-centric
[19:32:01] drindt: directhex: but i find the features from myth useful
[19:32:11] directhex: drindt, whcih features are they?
[19:32:16] drindt: directhex: you mean the pay tv thing?
[19:32:47] drindt: directhex: i cant find something about timeshift, is that not in mythtv included?
[19:33:07] directhex: drindt, sure. if you have a tv card. but your stated use case doesn't involve tv
[19:33:51] drindt: directhex: iam not sure how to say it right, i plan to build such a box and buy the parts for it
[19:34:13] directhex: drindt, will you be using it to record from TV? you said you wanted to play video files
[19:35:07] immolo: Akuma- so did I :P
[19:35:09] drindt: directhex: oh sorry, (my english is really poor – excause) i want to record some tv movies and store them on the disk for later viewing dvd archiving and such
[19:35:23] Akuma: lol, I feel stupid now :s
[19:35:24] Akuma: lol
[19:35:26] Akuma: Thanks though
[19:35:29] directhex: drindt, in that case myth is the project you want. is TV in your area digital or analog?
[19:35:30] immolo: no problem
[19:36:08] drindt: directhex: we say here lnb a cable to connect to a dvb-s card
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[19:36:51] directhex: dvb-s? okay. myth should be fine, then
[19:37:34] drindt: directhex: i consider about buying 2 cards one for viewing tv and the second for recording in a mpeg format but what card? i see on some shops that i can waste a lot of money for cards
[19:38:33] directhex: drindt, you're working with digital. just get any old dvb-s card. transmissions sent via dvb are already mpeg
[19:39:00] drindt: directhex: mpeg2 right?
[19:39:42] drindt: directhex: when i want to record 2 movies at the same time i need 2 cards right? sorry but i cannot find answers in faq
[19:39:52] directhex: drindt, at the moment, yes
[19:40:29] drindt: the case is the same as when i watch tv and want to record then i need 2 cards too right?
[19:40:38] directhex: drindt, at the moment, yes
[19:40:41] drindt: the card cant switch between the channels so fast?
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[19:42:31] directhex: it's a little more involved than that, especially with sattelite
[19:42:38] directhex: but basically, not at the moment
[19:42:47] drindt: directhex: my last question: it is possible to translate mythtv in other languages than english? my gf cant speak english like me
[19:43:20] GreyFoxx: most menus and items are availabnle in several languages
[19:43:30] directhex: and in the future, then the only way to do two things at once on the same card is if both channels are within the same section of the sky (e.g. a "multiplex" with dvb-t, where there are 6 multiplexes in the UK for all channels)
[19:43:32] drindt: Grecko: ah ok
[19:43:53] drindt: GreyFoxx: ok
[19:44:01] drindt: directhex: ah i understand ok
[19:44:25] drindt: seems that mythtv looks better in my eyes like the vdr project
[19:44:42] directhex: vdr hasn't improved for years
[19:44:48] directhex: myth surpassed it an eternity ago
[19:44:59] immolo: jams- you about?
[19:46:17] jams: yeah
[19:46:33] drindt: sounds and look like mythtv is my program, what i additionally want the reading from css protected dvds is possible?
[19:46:34] immolo: do you use auth for your install?
[19:46:50] jams: not yet
[19:47:05] jams: i figure it's on my lan without access to the outside world, no need for it
[19:47:15] immolo: hmm ok well I broke it adding it
[19:47:57] immolo: jams- you haven't shown off mythweb at work? I'm disapointed
[19:48:16] jams: nope
[19:48:45] drindt: directhex: thanks for answering my questions, GreyFoxx thank you too :)
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[19:54:27] directhex: any significant commits to myth since march? i'm considering a new svn build
[19:54:39] Fnc: could someone help me out with my remote....
[19:54:47] Fnc: i had it working but seemd to have jacked it up
[19:55:07] Fnc: irw gets everything, and my lircd.conf and lircrc look alright
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[20:11:13] immolo: jams- I done it, pretty simple too :P I'm going to add it to the wiki so if you want to add it to your install its there
[20:12:33] jams: ok
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[20:27:05] Fnc: anyone give me a hand with my remote stuff?
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[20:30:53] immolo: is there a setting in mythweb that forces ssl?
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[21:03:23] ReKlipz: I'm having trouble viewing mythtv with the frontend. All i get is a black screen when i try, and it goes back to the main menu. There are a couple of lines in the mythbackendlog that dont look "good". should i paste those?
[21:05:04] Fnc: patebin
[21:05:53] ReKlipz: ok, im having troubles getting the firewire connection of my STB stable, but once i can get a new log, ill paste it
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[21:13:07] ReKlipz: ok, pasting
[21:16:00] ReKlipz: http://www.pastebin.ca/662547
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[21:21:58] ReKlipz: hmm, it seems as though there is no /dev/lircd file
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[21:24:46] ReKlipz: any ideas?
[21:25:54] xris: ReKlipz: do you use lirc?
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[21:26:29] ReKlipz: no
[21:26:31] ReKlipz: no remotes
[21:26:57] ReKlipz: so that message is ignorable?
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[21:29:01] xris: should be
[21:29:16] ReKlipz: ok
[21:29:19] xris: run: mythfrontend -v all
[21:29:25] ReKlipz: does that paste help at all?
[21:29:28] xris: then watch the output in the console when you switch to watching tv
[21:29:28] ReKlipz: ok
[21:29:53] ReKlipz: im running the frontend as mythtv as well
[21:29:56] ReKlipz: thats ok right?
[21:29:59] xris: yeah
[21:30:09] xris: I usually run the backend as root, but that's a minor point
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[21:31:27] ReKlipz: ok, should i paste that in pastebin?
[21:31:49] xris: sure
[21:33:08] ReKlipz: http://www.pastebin.ca/662559
[21:33:19] ReKlipz: the output.txt at the bottom
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[21:34:41] my2keh: I downloaded the latest svn for mythtv and mythweb
[21:34:50] my2keh: however, I get the following Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=31, backend=35)
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[21:35:02] GreyFoxx: You are running different versions of myththv and mythplugins
[21:35:07] my2keh: I copied mythweb over from the plugins to /var/www/mythweb
[21:35:21] my2keh: but I checked them out at the same time?
[21:35:22] Akuma: Hello, I have a quick question: I am trying to setup (mythtv-setup) the system
[21:35:28] Akuma: and I want to get the channels
[21:35:34] xris: ReKlipz: have you gone through all of the firewire tests to make sure that your cable box is communicating with your computer?
[21:35:34] Akuma: however when I do the scan channels thing
[21:35:39] Akuma: I don't get any channel
[21:35:45] ReKlipz: xris: could the problem be the double / when it tries to open the file?
[21:35:50] Akuma: even though I can hear the sound of some channels when it scans over
[21:35:52] ReKlipz: xris: yep, works fine
[21:35:59] xris: my2keh: you may want to double check that your apache settings are pointed to /var/www/mythweb
[21:36:01] Akuma: any one knows what I am doing wrong?
[21:36:15] xris: ReKlipz: no, double slash shouldn't hurt much
[21:36:17] Akuma: (I have a bttv bt878 card)
[21:36:33] ReKlipz: firewire_tester works flawlessly, and test-mepg2 saves a stream. I can even change channels using the 6200ch command while running test-mpeg2, and that works as well
[21:36:42] xris: Akuma: analog channel scanning doesn't work very well. and shouldn't be necessary if you have a good listing ssouce
[21:37:06] Akuma: xris: do I have to install XMLTV for that?
[21:37:11] xris: ReKlipz: ok.. have you tried swapping p2p/broadcast settings for the source in mythtv-setup?
[21:37:15] xris: Akuma: what country are you in?
[21:37:18] Akuma: canada
[21:37:26] ReKlipz: xris... i dont think so?
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[21:37:34] xris: Akuma: no, you need to read the docs... look for zap2it.
[21:37:45] my2keh: it's actually a symlink to /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb
[21:37:51] my2keh: but yeah it's the right directory
[21:37:57] Akuma: xris: Cool, thanks, I'll do that
[21:38:01] xris: ReKlipz: go check around in there. some boxes (not dependent on model) prefer one type over the other...
[21:38:18] xris: my2keh: then something's still not configured properly
[21:38:19] ReKlipz: so your saying i should try broadcast instead of p2p?
[21:38:26] xris: ReKlipz: it might help
[21:38:37] xris: of my 2 boxes, I have one p2p and one broadcast...
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[21:38:46] my2keh: i'm gonna delete the file and redo my copy...to ensure it is actually copying
[21:39:08] xris: you could just symlink to the svn checkout directory.
[21:40:31] my2keh: that would be smarter
[21:40:53] DustyBin: those new hauppauge nova-t 500 drivers are solid as hell
[21:41:10] DustyBin: no more errors, no more reboots
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[21:41:41] clever: xris: thats what i do
[21:41:52] xris: clever: same here.. makes it a lot easier to test code
[21:41:53] Chrisie: Hello there, I have a working myth setup that I use on a laptop with a USB tv tuner; In the backend setup I specify localhost but find myth binds 6543 and 6544 to my default ip I'm assigned by DHCP
[21:41:58] clever: xris: when i svn update in mythplugins mythweb gets updated instantly
[21:42:20] DustyBin: 22:39:07 up 1 day, 5:29, 2 users, load average: 0.35, 0.34, 0.26 <-- i will paste this in another 7 days time
[21:42:41] clever: Chrisie: it cant take hostnames you have to give it ip's
[21:42:44] DustyBin: the futures bright, the futures mythtv
[21:42:54] my2keh: xris..turns out i'm a loser, thanks!
[21:42:59] my2keh: it's up now
[21:43:03] Chrisie: ahh right, thanks clever I'll correct that. Much obliged
[21:43:25] ReKlipz: it seems it just cant read the recording file
[21:43:31] ReKlipz: always gives a file not found error
[21:43:38] jams: wow the top recored show on my mythbox is oprah at 683 shows
[21:43:45] xris: Chrisie: pretty sure when you say "localhost" mythtv takes the default IP... it's a network app, it's not going to restrict itself to 127.0.0.1
[21:43:46] clever: lol
[21:43:52] ** clever checks his list **
[21:44:00] xris: my2keh: cool
[21:44:05] ReKlipz: when i do an ls, it shows the file as being there
[21:44:49] clever: malcolm in the middle has been recorded 238 times
[21:45:09] clever: YTV channel 345 times
[21:45:32] clever: Total Recorded:
[21:45:32] clever: 1 month 4 days 17 hrs 41 mins
[21:45:33] clever: Percent of time spent recording:
[21:45:33] clever: 18%
[21:45:47] xris: mine's probably good eats (too lazy to check)
[21:46:07] dougl: I just got a M$ mce remote – followed http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote to conifgure and got to the part where it says to verify with irw and irw command just goes back to command prompt... any suggestions?
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[21:46:25] Akuma: stupid question: zap2it has an expiration date. does that mean I need to renew in some form by then?
[21:46:33] Chrisie: xris: okay thanks, I was trying to restrict it as in this particular instance it was solely being used backend and frontend on the laptop. I might have misread the docs on it using loopback, if needs be I'll firewall it. thanks
[21:46:36] ** dougl used lirc 0.8.2 **
[21:46:50] clever: Akuma: yeah just take the survey again
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[21:47:04] clever: Akuma: but im guessing it will be shutdown before it can expire now
[21:47:30] jams: clever- for you percent of time recording..what are you using for the total time?
[21:47:53] clever: jams http://5.111.154.10/mythweb/stats?query_time= . . . dropdown=all
[21:48:17] clever: that page(change to point to your mythweb) shows those numbers i pasted
[21:48:40] clever: First recording:
[21:48:40] clever: Monday February 5th, 2007
[21:48:40] clever: Last recording:
[21:48:40] clever: Saturday August 18th, 2007
[21:49:03] jams: ah must be a new module
[21:51:16] clever: having a bit of trouble here atm
[21:51:20] clever: diff keyboard then normal
[21:51:25] clever: ` and backspace are switched
[21:51:35] clever: and so is capslock and ctrl
[21:55:25] ReKlipz: xris: when i try to setup a firewire connection over bcast, i cant get the setup tools to work (plugreport plugctl test-mpeg2 firewire_tester)
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[21:56:17] xris: ReKlipz: you shouldn't really be able to use those when mythtv is holding the connection, anyway
[21:56:20] ReKlipz: ok, well, firewire_tester works with a broadcast test
[21:56:20] jams: hmm look at that, very similar to what i was working on..oh well
[21:56:25] ReKlipz: i stopped mythtv
[21:56:53] ReKlipz: but firewire_tester says that the bcast is stabilized
[21:57:13] xris: ReKlipz: if you have those other tools working, you should move on to just using mythtv.
[21:57:38] ReKlipz: i had the other tools working with p2p
[21:58:41] xris: ReKlipz: both mode should work. it's just that one often works better than the other (more stable)
[21:58:53] ReKlipz: ok
[21:58:59] ReKlipz: well, im trying with broadcast now
[21:59:02] xris: go back to p2p if it matters. I was just offering a possible place to look for why the backend wasn't recording
[21:59:28] xris: you should really run `mythbackend -v all` in its own console, rather than as a daemon... and watch what it logs when you try to record/watch a channel
[22:00:38] ReKlipz: i do run it in its own console
[22:00:47] ReKlipz: i just capture the output to a file
[22:02:13] ReKlipz: omg!
[22:02:15] ReKlipz: working!
[22:02:19] ReKlipz: with bcast
[22:02:21] xris: ReKlipz: it's a lot easier if you watch it.. then you know what it's logging at the exact time you do it.
[22:02:26] xris: cool
[22:02:31] ReKlipz: tis a little jerky though
[22:02:37] ReKlipz: and doesnt look very good
[22:02:55] ReKlipz: what are the commands to change channels?
[22:03:21] ReKlipz: are there keyboard shortcuts?
[22:05:58] ReKlipz: when i try to view an HD channel, it poops out
[22:06:06] ReKlipz: restart, and now its jerky
[22:06:10] ReKlipz: prolyl cuz im on the same box
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[22:10:54] Akuma: ok, another stupid question: is there anyway to take the blue order away from the bttv streaming while displaying tv?
[22:12:28] Akuma: s/order/border/s
[22:12:57] GreyFoxx: Akuma: you can use xvattr to change the colour from blue to black
[22:13:12] GreyFoxx: or increase your overscan so it's past the edge of the screen like it's suppsoe to be
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[22:14:08] Akuma: Ok, cool, and I have another question, which I couldn't find an answer for in the doc: my bttv card is plugged to aux, when I quit "watch tv" sound of the card keeps playing
[22:14:17] Opulentus: I need some help installing Myth on a fresh load of Ubuntu
[22:14:18] Akuma: how can I make it stop?
[22:15:56] Opulentus: I've got an error messge e: Nroken packages
[22:16:05] Opulentus: Broken even
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[22:24:44] clever: mythfrontend 'locks up' with a black screen when i try to play a recording
[22:25:07] clever: not shure if its that recording or all
[22:26:37] xris: Opulentus: which packages are broken?
[22:28:28] Opulentus: mythtv-frontend
[22:31:31] clever: [18 17:24:45] <clever> mythfrontend 'locks up' with a black screen when i try to play a recording
[22:31:31] clever: [18 17:24:59] <clever> not shure if its that recording or all
[22:31:37] clever: seems to be affecting all recordings
[22:31:42] xris: Opulentus: for what reason? apt/whatever will usually tell you
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[22:33:15] Opulentus: all i get is "mythtv: Depends: mythtv-fronted (>= 0.20-svn20070817–0.0) but is not going to be installed"
[22:33:47] Opulentus: then " Depends: mythtv-backend (>= 0.20-svn20070817–0.0) but is not going to be installed
[22:34:05] Opulentus: E: Broken packages
[22:35:40] Opulentus: if I just try mythtv-frontend I get "libjack0 (>= 0.103.0) but it is not installable
[22:36:05] Opulentus: and libmyth-0.20 is not going to be installed
[22:36:16] dougl: can anyone help me configure a windows media center remote to use with mythtv?
[22:36:19] Opulentus: E: Broken packages
[22:36:21] dougl: can anyone help me configure a windows media center remote to use with mythtv?
[22:36:30] dougl: oops
[22:37:47] Opulentus: so I try libjack0 and I get Package libjack0 is not available, but is referred by another package
[22:38:47] Opulentus: it appears it is libjack0 that is the problems
[22:39:36] Opulentus: libjack0
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[22:52:12] ReKlipz: Does it matter if i use a 6pin to 6pin or a 6pin to 4pin connector for my firewire STB?
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[23:02:21] floppyears: hi guys
[23:02:28] floppyears: how does commercial skip work ?
[23:03:06] Hoxzer: Depends on what kind of commercial skip do you use. Some check aspect ratio. Some check for blank frames etc etc
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[23:03:28] darkfrog: Can someone give me a hand configuring my machine to output to my HDTV?
[23:03:31] Hoxzer: mythtv tries to use as many methods as possible
[23:04:02] darkfrog: I can never get anything to appear on it as it always says it's not a valid resolution...even during boot.
[23:04:22] floppyears: I'm watching a recording and I set the commercail to autoskip, but it still is showing the comercials
[23:04:37] floppyears: yesterday, I was watching another show, and it was skipping the comercials perfectly :(
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[23:08:48] DustyBin: im compiling mythtv svn :^) the first time ive ever compiled svn too
[23:10:45] floppyears: DustyBin: why not just download a binary of svn ?
[23:10:52] floppyears: it doesn't make too much sense to compile svn
[23:10:57] DustyBin: i like watching things compile
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[23:11:21] floppyears: I usually like compiling things to get the features that are not in the binaries :)
[23:11:31] DustyBin: ccache g++ -c -pipe -march=pentium4 -I/usr/include/kde/artsc -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -Wall -W -fomit-frame-poi
[23:11:37] DustyBin: blabla :-)
[23:11:56] DustyBin: what like HDTV features
[23:12:15] DustyBin: im compiling to /opt so nothing gets messed up on my debian install
[23:12:37] DustyBin: ./configure --prefix=/opt/mythtv
[23:13:18] floppyears: no, mostly because the ubuntu binaries are old and make some weird stuff
[23:13:25] floppyears: I would suggest using checkinstall
[23:13:30] floppyears: to make a .deb package
[23:13:43] floppyears: instead of make install, you can use sudo checkinstall
[23:13:48] DustyBin: i just used, make install ?
[23:13:54] DustyBin: i didnt know that
[23:13:57] DustyBin: what does it do?
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[23:19:27] floppyears: checkinstall install does make install but it builds a .deb package and installs it for
[23:19:30] floppyears: you
[23:19:55] floppyears: much nicer to keep track of things afterwards and easier to remove later
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[23:24:23] directhex: Opulentus, which ubuntu release?
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[23:25:34] Opulentus: the latest
[23:25:46] Opulentus: 2.18.1
[23:26:14] directhex: there's no ubuntu release 2.18.1
[23:26:22] directhex: ubuntu versions come in the form year.month
[23:26:27] directhex: the latest is 7.04
[23:26:58] Opulentus: that's what is says when i go to about
[23:27:21] Opulentus: ahh that was about Gnome
[23:27:23] Opulentus: duh'
[23:27:46] Opulentus: it is 7.04
[23:28:44] Akuma: Ok, I'm trying to get the sound to work with the TV card: it works when CD line isn't mute, and I have set it to capture as stated by the doc. However I can't seem to get any sound when cd is muted (if it's not, sound keeps running even after I quit mythtv)
[23:28:55] Akuma: does anyone have an idea on how to make this work?
[23:29:48] directhex: Opulentus, where are you trying to get myth from? feisty doesn't have 0.20-svn20070817–0.0
[23:30:00] directhex: that looks like a debian-multimedia version number to me
[23:30:29] Opulentus: yeah that's it
[23:30:36] Opulentus: using apt-get
[23:30:46] directhex: debian isn't ubuntu
[23:31:32] Opulentus: that's what comes up when I type sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend
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[23:32:17] directhex: that's because you've mixed a debian repository in with your ubuntu release. the packages are compiled against libraries and vesions found only in whichever release of debian they're intended for
[23:32:51] Opulentus: ok so how do I undo that
[23:33:06] directhex: get rid of the erroneous entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:34:43] Opulentus: ok done
[23:34:47] Opulentus: try again?
[23:34:50] directhex: run aptitude update
[23:35:38] Opulentus: k
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[23:36:26] directhex: congratulations, you've unbroken apt
[23:36:32] Opulentus: yeah
[23:37:01] Opulentus: should I try and install mythtv-frontend?
[23:37:24] directhex: if you want to. you may need to enable universe/multiverse packages for it, i don't remember
[23:37:25] Opulentus: or just mythtv?
[23:37:35] directhex: mythtv is btoh frontend and backend
[23:37:40] directhex: do you have a backend already?
[23:37:45] Opulentus: nope
[23:37:55] directhex: then you want both frontend and backend, i.e. "mythtv"
[23:38:04] Opulentus: got it
[23:39:08] SeaWeed: Hello Guys is there some thing special i need to set or do to get a frontend to see backend over internet rather then home network ??
[23:39:27] directhex: SeaWeed, a T1 line would be a good start
[23:39:36] SeaWeed: it works great over my lan but now want try over net
[23:39:37] SeaWeed: lol
[23:39:47] SeaWeed: i figure maybe a Speed issue
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[23:40:37] SeaWeed: so i take it waisteing time trying over internet with out T1 Connections
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[23:40:41] DustyBin: jeeze how long does mythtv take to compil?e
[23:40:50] directhex: DustyBin, very fast, on a 152-core box
[23:40:56] DustyBin: heh
[23:41:07] directhex: SeaWeed, pretty much. the flash capability of mythweb might be mroe appropriate over the net
[23:41:08] DustyBin: im compiling on a pentium 3.2
[23:41:09] SeaWeed: (DustyBin) it take good while but realy depends on speed of pc
[23:41:45] NightMonkey: DustyBin: Around 20–25 minutes, on an AMD Athlon MP 1600.
[23:41:46] SeaWeed: i compile mythtv / plugins / themse in about 15 minutes on Dual 3.06
[23:42:09] directhex: all things considered, it's quite fast considering how many megs of source code it is
[23:42:20] NightMonkey: DustyBin: With ccache/distcc, of course, it drops. ;)
[23:42:23] floppyears: SeaWeed: wow
[23:42:32] SeaWeed: ?
[23:42:50] SeaWeed: (directhex) Ok Thnaks Ill check in to mythweb part
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[23:43:09] directhex: add more cores! 152 is a good number
[23:43:09] SeaWeed: going out of town and thought would be kool to stream frontend if i could
[23:46:32] DustyBin: ive just compiled mythtv into /opt/mythtv
[23:46:44] DustyBin: but i cannot find mythtv-backend
[23:46:49] DustyBin: or mythfrontend
[23:46:59] DustyBin: where are they?
[23:47:00] xris: DustyBin: why into /opt?
[23:47:05] DustyBin: yes
[23:47:10] DustyBin: to keep my system tidy
[23:47:17] directhex: DustyBin, in /opt/mythtv/bin
[23:47:27] DustyBin: all i have in there is
[23:47:32] xris: doesn't makes sense to me, but it really depends on where you told it within opt to install...
[23:47:37] DustyBin: mythreplex
[23:47:40] DustyBin: mythtvosd
[23:47:41] directhex: xris, it's a reasonable way to compartmentalise apps which might spread all over /usr or /usr/local
[23:47:52] xris: I don't know how well myth's makefiles respond to wacky install roots, either.
[23:48:00] DustyBin: eek :-S
[23:48:01] xris: directhex: that's what packages are for.  :)
[23:48:04] DustyBin: does this mean the files are everywhere?
[23:48:07] directhex: xris, generally, anything without an installer/uninstaller i put into /opt
[23:48:26] DustyBin: ive already got the debian package installed and running
[23:48:31] DustyBin: :-S
[23:48:51] directhex: then you probably just built the plugins, against the -dev package for the debian version
[23:49:11] directhex: /opt/mythtv-svn/bin/mythbackend: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86–64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
[23:49:15] xris: DustyBin: then you probably REALLY confused it.
[23:49:25] DustyBin: jeeze :-S
[23:49:29] DustyBin: what should i do now
[23:49:35] DustyBin: remove the debian package
[23:49:46] directhex: xris, any compelling reasons to update from a march svn build?
[23:50:12] xris: remove all copies of mythtv (package and /opt)... updatedb && locate myth... delete any extra myth-related things you find... recompile.
[23:50:25] xris: directhex: no clue. I don't keep track of date stuff.
[23:50:25] DustyBin: ok
[23:50:26] xris: I recompiled today to test schedules direct stuff
[23:50:33] xris: which seems to be working.
[23:50:44] directhex: okay, r13388 then!
[23:50:59] DustyBin: does this not work: ./configure --prefix=/opt/mythtv  ?
[23:51:19] immolo: ah xris you will know is there an option to force mythweb to use ssl or am I going to have to do that on the web server's side
[23:51:20] directhex: DustyBin, it ought to. what does "pwd" say?
[23:51:35] DustyBin: /opt/mythtv/bin
[23:51:36] xris: immolo: server
[23:51:37] DustyBin: the one im in
[23:51:59] xris: immolo: no way to do that from the code, other than use a redirect in .htaccess or something (which I also do)
[23:52:13] directhex: DustyBin, did you just compile the plugins, or the main myth too?
[23:52:25] DustyBin: i only compiled the main myth
[23:52:30] DustyBin: i havent touched any plugins
[23:52:44] immolo: xris- thanks, I must be thinking of something different that redirects all the paths to ssl in the php code
[23:53:10] immolo: but yeah I'll just do a redirect myself
[23:53:23] xris: immolo: there are some things that go the other way — redirects streaming URLs to non-ssl, since most players in linux don't support ssl
[23:54:22] immolo: xris- I've not seen that happen but then I don't stream much stuff
[23:54:44] DustyBin: all i did was this
[23:54:48] DustyBin: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv
[23:55:03] xris: immolo: I only noticed it when I was testing the music streaming stuff.
[23:55:03] DustyBin: ./configure --prefix=/opt/mythtv
[23:55:09] DustyBin: make
[23:55:11] DustyBin: make install
[23:56:18] Opulentus: directhex: I think I broke it again
[23:56:28] directhex: Opulentus, probably. anything specific?
[23:57:10] Opulentus: I try to run the myth-backend setup and it only goes through the language,
[23:57:22] Opulentus: and data base configuration
[23:57:49] Opulentus: asks me if I want to start mythfildatabase and IO choose ok
[23:58:06] Opulentus: then try and run the fontend and I get the same settings screens
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[23:59:03] directhex: running as which user?
[23:59:32] Opulentus: I don't understand
[23:59:55] directhex: are you eecuting the configuration steps as your regular user, or as a specific mythtv user?

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