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Thursday, August 16th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

Jesus no, they've got an ugly tape robot here

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Dagmar:

I could run that station off my laptop tho

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Agiofws:

tape robot here ?

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Dagmar:

...and just put in a jacuzzi where the tape robot used to be

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Agiofws:

they still use TAPE ?

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Agiofws:

cassetes ?

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Agiofws:

lol

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Dagmar:

Agiofws: The community access station here, the last time I was there, had a big ugly tape robot switching aroudn tapes at the appropriate times

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Dagmar:

They may still be using it

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JackEStorm:

Dagmar: most OTA stations could be run via a WRT54G these days, with everything back hauled to the parent company.

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NightMonkey:

Agiofws: VLC has scheduling possibilities, too: http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Streaming_HowTo/VLM

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Dagmar:

Agiofws: I know exactly what problems you're trying to solve. Having a computer play video items at given times is really easy

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Dagmar:

Yeah, using VLC and streaming the files to it would work pretty well too

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Dagmar:

...but you'd still need something to trigger when to stream the files at the one player

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Dagmar:

...which would be crond

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Dagmar:

I jus didnt' want to mention that level of complexity right off the bat

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Agiofws:

you are talking about server and clinet why ?

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Dagmar:

Big, finely honed programs should always start as simplified versions of what you want ot actually happen

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Agiofws:

don; i need only client ?

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Agiofws:

any way

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JackEStorm:

Dagmar: and that doesn't take into account that mplayer can sometimes spawn with out focus.

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Dagmar:

You don't try to solve one massive problem, ever.

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Agiofws:

vlc does not give me start times in play lists

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Dagmar:

You break the problem down into little modular tasks, and you solve each of THOSE problems.

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Agiofws:

but thats not what i need i think

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Dagmar:

It's not VLC's responsibility to give you start times becuase it's just a bloody player, not a scheduler

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Dagmar:

JackEStorm: Thankfully, if it's the only thing on the display, focus can take a flying leap

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Dagmar:

With VLC you could eliminate some of the issues of mplayer occasionally having two instances running at once momentarily by trying to use VLC to stream to another copy of VLC that plays continuously

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Agiofws:

stream the files from vlc server to a vlc clinet and then use a pci digital analog card to take itto the air ?

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Dagmar:

...but that would be considerably more arcane and it would be better to have a *reliable* way of queuing programs on time working *first* so you dont pull your hair out trying to figure out which thing broke if something goes wrong

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Dagmar:

Agiofws: yes

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Agiofws:

hmm hats seems easier i think

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: VLC does do scheduling, via VLM.

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Dagmar:

For me, it would be easier to write the initial stuff in perl than it would be to wade through the VLC man page

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Agiofws:

NightMonkey, you ean one clinet to scedule a play list ?

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Dagmar:

Or, be sneaky and open a SourceForge project

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NightMonkey:

Agiofws: Please rephrase?

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Agiofws:

NightMonkey, you mean one client to schedule a play list o multiple instances of clinets starting VIA crontab ?

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Dagmar:

He's really fixated on this multiple clients thing isn't he?

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Agiofws:

show schedule displays a summary of schedule states. ?

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, i am i think

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NightMonkey:

Agiofws: No crontab. Check out the options on the page I linked to. One instance.

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JackEStorm:

Dagmar: if it was me, I'd just use a transport player, and use/write a transport queuer for the backend and be done with it.

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Dagmar:

NightMonkey: And if VLC should crash in the middle of the night?

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JackEStorm:

well in this case a program stream and not transport

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NightMonkey:

Agiofws: You can update the schedule via an HTTP interface or telnet. Unfortunately, no direct command line interface to change schedules, however.

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Dagmar:

Separate, independent tasks will *much* more easily recover from a single failure event

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Sure, that's a problem. Could it not be solved via a simple "while true" loop, or, for heavy hitting, monit?

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Agiofws:

date (year)/(month)/(day)-(hour):(minutes):(seconds)|now:

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Dagmar:

I kinda think "reliability" and "fault tolerance" should really figure into the design for sometihng that's realtime dependenct

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Dagmar:

NightMonkey: A spinlock? NO.

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Dagmar:

Only b*tch*s write spinlocks.

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Agiofws:

setup my_media input my_video.mpeg input my_other_movie.mpeg

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Agiofws:

setup my_media output #standard{mux=ts,access=udp,dst=239.255.1.1,sap,name="My Media"}

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Agiofws:

setup my_sched date 2012/12/12–12:12:12

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Agiofws:

setup my_sched append control my_media play

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Dagmar:

Even if the operation is while (true) { task } if task should ever jam, you simply have the equivalent of a runaway spinlock

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Agiofws:

so what would that do considering he schedule ?

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: Whatever. Launch VLC in a shell wrapper: "while true; do vlc --intf telnet; done". Not a spinlock, per se.

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Agiofws:

do vlc --intf telnet what would that do ?

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Agiofws:

update something

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Agiofws:

i could have the server and the clinets on the same BOX

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Dagmar:

Maybe keep something monitoring the displaying VLC process, but no other form of while (true) should be involved in that

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Agiofws:

i could have the server and the clinet on the same BOX

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Dagmar:

crond is one of the most stable things ever because it's so simple

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Dagmar:

Thousands of admins would be howling if crond ever failed them

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Dagmar:

Daily.

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Dagmar:

Logs would not get rotated, transaction batches would not be run...

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JackEStorm:

Dagmar: not to mention it's one of the oldest too.

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Dagmar:

So for scheduling events to take place on a computer at given times, crond wins

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, i am goingto try outthis solution its just that people there do not know LINUX

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Agiofws:

and do not wantto learn new thgings

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Dagmar:

Don't piss me off or I'll just write a TV station and you can explain to everyone why Dropline was another two months behind

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Agiofws:

and are using a ONE instance program

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JackEStorm:

Agiofws: well cron is not linux, it's UNIX, it's old, older than me

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Dagmar:

Agiofws: This is why you give them a stupid-simple web interface to use

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Agiofws:

and if a hard drive a USB one goes down the even if one file is corrupted the whole program halts

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Agiofws:

webintreface ? to handel cron ?

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Agiofws:

webintreface ? to handle cron ?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

Find a college student and exploit them

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Dagmar:

Any code monkey can write a CGI to do that

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Agiofws:

this is rocket science for me :(

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Dagmar:

It's really not that hard

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Agiofws:

CGI ?

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Dagmar:

You just have to break each problem down into bite size pieces

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Dagmar:

Common Gateway Interface

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Dagmar:

The generic term for a "web application"

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Agiofws:

ok

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Dagmar:

You know when you have a website that wants your email address and you type it in the little blank?

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Agiofws:

yeah :)

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Dagmar:

It's a CGI program on the webserver that takes your email address and gives it to russian spammers

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Dagmar:

xris wrote MythWeb

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Dagmar:

It's a PHP script, which is also a CGI app

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Dagmar:

Or I should say it's a CGI app written in PHP

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Dagmar:

Such things aren't very hard at all

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Dagmar:

If you know one programming language that doesn't suck and HTML you know all you need to

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Agiofws:

you mean simple html clinets that use http protocol to connectto an httpd server ?

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xris:

Dagmar: the php isn't cgi.

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xris:

only the perl stuff in mythweb (streaming) is cgi, and only if people don't have mod_perl running

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression that CGI dictated the variables Apache passes down and so forth

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xris:

Dagmar: no.. "common gateway interface".. it's the protocol with which the web server communicates with non-plugin applications providing web services.

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Dagmar:

Either way, you agree that what Agiofws would need for an interface would not be hard

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xris:

mod_perl and mod_php are plugins, and thus use their own protocols

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Agiofws:

NightMonkey, i would just like to know that i add the Schedule Properties to the VLC server right ?

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xris:

Dagmar: didn't see what Agiofws wants to do

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JackEStorm:

xris: PHP can be CGI, as well as C, Perl, Python, Java, etc...

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Agiofws:

i'll have to set up a linux box at the station and start some testing

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xris:

JackEStorm: yes.. but php is rarely run in cgi mode

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JackEStorm:

Agiofws: btw: http://old.spiney.org/public/phpRecEvent/

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Agiofws:

but first i have to start it here on my own box

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Dagmar:

xris: basically he wants to convert a dinky TV station to run more or less on automatic for the queuing

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JackEStorm:

xris: 'cept for me, thats how I run it. in a suexec jail

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xris:

JackEStorm: php just has a lot of overhead...

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xris:

Dagmar: interesting.

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Dagmar:

xris: Yeah, it's not a terribly hard thing to do

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Dagmar:

Probably less complex in many ways than what you've done with MythWeb

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, basiaclly the streaming softarew that goes to the AIR wONT play a file bigger than 2 GB

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Agiofws:

cause it was made for

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Dagmar:

Agiofws: Yes, welcome to Linux where we don't care how large files are

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Agiofws:

fat32

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Agiofws:

its so old

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Agiofws:

aand its a windows machine

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Dagmar:

Give 'em a samba share mapped to an XFS filesystem

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Agiofws:

it crashes on AIR somethimes

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Dagmar:

Let 'em drag and drop programs into the store

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Dagmar:

Then queue them up to play using a web interface

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Agiofws:

sometimes

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, the playlist is about 1000 files

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Dagmar:

Doesn't matter to a computer

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Dagmar:

Drawing all those fractals everyone was so fond of in the 90's meant doing a simple math computation a few trillion times

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Agiofws:

yes buts its onoy one instance of a mplayer

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JackEStorm:

Dagmar: 90's? I was fond of them in the 80's and still am now

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Dagmar:

Agiofws: And I'm talking about starting one instance of a player, letting it play one file and exit, only to be replaced by a new instance of a player

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Agiofws:

yes

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Agiofws:

ok i understand that

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Dagmar:

So why does it matter if it's 1,000 files, 10,000 files, or just three files

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Dagmar:

Trying to deal with and make changes to a 1,000 entry playlist would get ugly

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Agiofws:

yes it does not matter the way you set it up

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Agiofws:

butthe way its playing now

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Agiofws:

it is

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JackEStorm:

Dagmar: dude, WHY? use a transport stream, and use that to queue in and out, and you can still over-ride.

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Agiofws:

cause it uses a 1000 file plaulist

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Dagmar:

JackEStorm: yes, keep using those big words in front of him and see if he doesn't run away screaming

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Dagmar:

This guy is not a leet coder

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Dagmar:

We gotta start him with simple

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Agiofws:

hey anyone thinking of suing netcat to stream the files ?

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Agiofws:

LOL

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Dagmar:

You laugh, but...

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JackEStorm:

Dagmar: ok, ummm, lemme think

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Dagmar:

It could probably be done

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Agiofws:

i once streammed FLV from one host and landed UP mp3 on there other host :)

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JackEStorm:

Agiofws: thats back to VLC, and that would be better

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Agiofws:

maybe you could just do

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Dagmar:

...but possibly more complex than he could handle right now

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Agiofws:

cat foo faa fee fum

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Dagmar:

A half-assed coder who was reasonably familiar with mplayer could probably hack something together in about nine hours of work

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Agiofws:

1)cat with-out-you.flv | nc 192.168.2.5 5000

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Dagmar:

Properly organized, someone could continue to improve/optimize it from there without ever really stopping the output

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Agiofws:

2)nc -l -p 5000 | ffmpeg -i – -acodec mp3 with-out-you.mp3

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Agiofws:

buts thats nothing to do with my issue i think

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Agiofws:

maybe stream to client ?

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JackEStorm:

wait a sec, doesn't mplayer support mysql playlists?

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Agiofws:

i don;t know\

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Dagmar:

I've gotta quit talking about this or I'll wind up writing the thing

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Dagmar:

It's too easy and I should be polishing my packet mangling skills

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Agiofws:

if i had money we would do it togethro Dagmar

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GreyFoxx:

What exactly are you trying to do? Just setup a network video feed?

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Dagmar:

JackEStorm: Another thing I'm taking into consideration is from what I've learned of the campus TV stations I've talked to, people love submitting all sorts of cooked files

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Dagmar:

...so you really need to be ready for the player to do something weird

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Agiofws:

submitting all sorts of cooked files

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NightMonkey:

Agiofws: This might also be something to investigate, but you do need to do a little C coding: http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/

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Dagmar:

Agiofws: You know how when you download por...er video files off the internet and they don't always play correctly?

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Dagmar:

Sometimes too slow, sometimes too fast, etc

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JackEStorm:

Dagmar: true...

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Dagmar:

What length a file SAYS it is might not actually be that length once it gets done feeing the video player lots of corrupted frames

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Agiofws:

sometimes only 2 secs of a 1 hour video ?

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Dagmar:

Or, sometimes a 20 minute file that is cooked in a manner that causes it to actually take 22 minutes to play

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Agiofws:

they also have this problem

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Dagmar:

Yes, this is where having individual segments started at a specific time, able to just kill the old player if it's running too long, would be a lifesaver

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Agiofws:

the motaz compuetrs use a program again witha canopus card that it uses to edit the videos and cut them and add music or speakage but

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Agiofws:

the progrmam can only EDIT ITS OWN FILES ON tHAT COMPUTER

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Agiofws:

and on fomr another ONE

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Agiofws:

it only can edit AVI files

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Dagmar:

Yes, well, Cinelerra can do all the cutting and editing like that you want

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Agiofws:

not MPG

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Agiofws:

yeah i know

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Agiofws:

and the MIAN problem is that

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Dagmar:

If you can't get it for your distro, Google for "Dynebolic". You can get it on a LiveCD you can just boot

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Agiofws:

the sw

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Agiofws:

is OLD so again they have a limit of 2GB files

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Agiofws:

so if the have a reportage

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Dagmar:

Yes, Dynebolic can supply them with an NLE for video files that will astound them then, probably

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Agiofws:

overs like 30 mINS the PLAYER wont play it

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Dagmar:

NLE == non-linear editor

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Dagmar:

If this is what's considered the state of the art there, you really might want to consider starting a sourceforge project

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Dagmar:

There might well be people out there willing to spend some time coding something up

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Dagmar:

I'd do it, but I'm kinda doing the Dropline thing

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Agiofws:

nah you have done enough

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Agiofws:

NightMonkey what exactly is MLT/ ?

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Agiofws:

MLT is an open source multimedia framework,

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Agiofws:

nd developed for television broadcasting. ?

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Agiofws:

is it a ready application ?

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Agiofws:

i don;t think so right ?

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Dagmar:

OKay, I see now... All those years of using the Perl CGI module have gotten my nomenclature all scrambled

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Agiofws:

nomenclature all scrambled ?

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NightMonkey:

Agiofws: Dunno. It's F/OSS, try it out, if it looks good to you.

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Agiofws:

is it a ready app or is it lke a back end ?

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Agiofws:

ok thanks though

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Dagmar:

Jesus, version 0.1.1

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Dagmar:

That's scary

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: wait I thought MLT was a frame work?

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Dagmar:

What is it, a readme file and three headers?

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my2keh:

anyone here use VMWare?

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NightMonkey:

NightMonkey: Yep, looks like it. But doing programming as a possiblity was already broached... ;)

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: stop talking to your self

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GreyFoxx:

my2keh: I use ti all the time

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: Doh! That was meant for you... ;)

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my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> ok, I'm just starting with it...might have a few Q's your way :)

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: :)

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Agiofws:

Dagmar, what woulodi use the OS scope for ?

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: Some of the subprojects look interesting: http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/Projects

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Agiofws:

to calibrate what exactly ?

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: The KNOPPIX one (for try-out) especially.

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: 0.2.4 of mlt was released on 8/6, if their sf.net page is to be believed.

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clever:

how would code in libmyth detect if its running on the frontend or backend?

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GreyFoxx:

gContext->IsBackend();

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Agiofws:

ihave copied the logs Dagmar going to study them again tomorrow :)

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my2keh:

GreyFoxx>> I should be able to install KnoppMyth to my VMWare system eh?

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GreyFoxx:

MythLogBot: I would assume so, never used knoppmyth specificall though

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my2keh:

ok

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cobaltcopy:

hello all

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cobaltcopy:

does anyone have experience with mythweb?

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NightMonkey:

cobaltcopy: State your problem, please.

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cobaltcopy:

well, it's mostly apache related

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cobaltcopy:

it's a big problem with apache...apache won't install properly

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cobaltcopy:

I'm on ubuntu

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NightMonkey:

cobaltcopy: That's a bit out of scope for this channel – try your distro's channel.

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cobaltcopy:

okay

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cobaltcopy:

thanks

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Agiofws:

dont use ubuntu

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NightMonkey:

cobaltcopy: No problem.

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Agiofws:

NightMonkey,

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Agiofws:

i use the schedule commnds on the vlc server right ?

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psofa:

anyone around that knows how to switch between modes from cli without restarting X?

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jams:

my2keh- like i said last night it works without issue, just make sure you use an ide drive

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psofa:

xrandr shows insane modes

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Agiofws:

ctrl alt f1

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psofa:

uhm

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Agiofws:

f2 f3 f4

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psofa:

i mean how to swicth between X modes on the same running x server

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psofa:

and without the keyboard

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my2keh:

here goes!

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Agiofws:

telepatheticaly ;

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psofa:

:|

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NightMonkey:

psofa: xrandr is what you need, I think.

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jams:

chres will also do it

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psofa:

NightMonkey, i already tried it but it reports insane refresh rates

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jams:

provided xrandr is enabled

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NightMonkey:

jams: What is chres? That a distro-specific app?

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jams:

naw it's just a little c program

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psofa:

if its based in xrandr it wont do :|

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NightMonkey:

jams: Got a link, please?

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jams:

similar to xrandr, but easier to use

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** psofa curses nvidia-drivers **

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NightMonkey:

jams: Sounds like a good tool for the toolbox. ;)

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jams:

http://perso.ec-lyon.fr/lyonel.vincent/

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jams:

some distro's have it, others don't

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my2keh:

eeek

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my2keh:

it needs 5 GB's

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my2keh:

yikes

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

can I add more space to my VM?

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jams:

my2keh- i usally delete the vdisk and create a larger one

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my2keh:

yeah, I probably should because I only gave it like 5GB's

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my2keh:

and I think i'll need more then that once it's up and running

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NightMonkey:

psofa: I get sane rates from my (old) nvidia card, wanna pastebin what "xrandr -q --verbose" gives you?

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psofa:

1280x1024 (0x1ae) 65.5MHz

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psofa:

h: width 1280 start 0 end 0 total 1280 skew 0 clock 51.2KHz

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psofa:

v: height 1024 start 0 end 0 total 1024 clock 50.0Hz

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psofa:

and im really running at 60hz

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NightMonkey:

psofa: Huh, you must be running xrandr > 1.2?

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NightMonkey:

psofa: For my xrandr, I get choices of "Refresh" per "SZ" like "50 55 56 57 58" (for 1600x1200), and there are weird mappings – chosing "50" gets me a refresh of "85", while 58 gets me "60" (as reported by my monitor).

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psofa:

NightMonkey, yes

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psofa:

so it works?

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psofa:

i cant be sure cause its an lcdtv im outputing to and it wont say the resfresh rate

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NightMonkey:

psofa: Yes, but xrandr's available options and argument formatting change with xrandr modules's later than mine.

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NightMonkey:

s/'//

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NightMonkey:

er, s/\'//

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NightMonkey:

Ah, all wrong, you know what I mean. ;)

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NightMonkey:

psofa: Ah, do you have nvidia-settings installed?

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psofa:

yep

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psofa:

yes i can check the refresh rate from there :)

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NightMonkey:

psofa: Try "nvidia-settings -q all | less" and check the "RefreshRate"

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NightMonkey:

Yep, there you go.

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psofa:

ty

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NightMonkey:

np

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psofa:

NightMonkey, uhm do you know what im supposed to write to --output <output name> ?

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NightMonkey:

psofa: No, because that's for versions newer than mine. Is there a hint in either "xrandr -q --verbose" or "xrandr --prop --verbose"?

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psofa:

NightMonkey, ty i got the hex id :)

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** NightMonkey flips in his cage. **

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psofa:

crazy refresh mappings btw

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NightMonkey:

psofa: But do they work?

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NightMonkey:

psofa: I'm curious since I may decide to flip to the new xorg-server soon.

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NightMonkey:

newer, rather.

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NightMonkey:

Man, the EFF needs money again. ;)

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NightMonkey:

</OT>

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NightMonkey:

psofa: ?

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psofa:

yes

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psofa:

they do seem to work

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psofa:

nvidia-settings reports changed freqs

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Leebier:

yum install mythtv-suite is failing the dependency check because only faad2 2.5–7.fc7 is on ATrpms, any idea where i can get an rpm of 2.0 (final)?

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my2keh:

ooo booting up the VM for the first time!

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my2keh:

eeek

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Leebier:

source is available on sourceforge, but bad things tend to happen eveyr time i try to compile things from source

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Leebier:

though there is an rpm of the source, and i'm not sure whta that means? i mean, i can see how ALL rpms are packages of the source, but i haven't seen that term before, so i am not sure if it's just an rpm way to deliver the source code.

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Leebier:

or am i just babbling to myself now?

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my2keh:

Don't worry, I am too

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Leebier:

it's too late in europe, i think that's the problem

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JackEStorm:

how do you disable terminal blanking (video and audio)?

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my2keh:

Stupid question, can I setup mythtv without a capture card? heh

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: Yep, as a frontend, for sure.

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: You mean Xorg screen blanking?

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my2keh:

NightMonkey>> and a backend?

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: yeah, and kernel audio

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my2keh:

I'm just trying to install myth on my laptop, so that I can make changes to mythweb

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NightMonkey:

my2keh: I should think so, just don't set up a capture card in setup. Never tried it, tho.

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my2keh:

i'll give it a whirl

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jams:

yes, that will work

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: in the midst of testing it decided to mute Frampton...and that is a no no

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: To turn off video blanking, run "/usr/X11R6/bin/xset -dpms".

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Leebier:

i'm really confused, i don't see faad2.0 avail anywhere, but i managed to yum install mythtv-suite just the other day w/o problems, why won't it work now?

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: I've never had audio stop, tho.

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: it does 20min or so after screen

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: I run xset as part of my mythtv user's startup scripts.

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: Huh, X != alsa/sound, so I dunno. Unless your speakers are in your monitor, and it is getting turned off? :S

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: right now I'm using gdm+ratpoison trying to get a mplayer safe env working.

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: 20min or so after blanking audio stops, "shift" brings it all back

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: Well, I guess try xset, and see if magic happens after 20 minutes.

[02:07:43]

NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: Do you have xscreensaver running?

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: Or any screensaver, for that matter?

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: none

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Leebier:

ahhh, a-holes in #fedora talked me into adding the livna repo, which has a newer version of ffmpeg, which had the faad2 issue

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: I'm only runing GDM to launch ratpoison so I can try to figure out how/why player does not get focus

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NightMonkey:

JackEStorm: Dunno. I run fluxbox (also a lightweight wm), but never had that problem with audio. Video, yes, but not audio. Sorry.

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: video is a given in the kernel, but audio makes no sence to me....

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JackEStorm:

and I've made sure APM is off

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JackEStorm:

NightMonkey: now granted this is a ICH9 mobo

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my2keh:

WoOOHOO

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my2keh:

vmware'd mythtv up and running

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my2keh:

sweeettt

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JackEStorm:

and audio is OSS and ALSA all at once.

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my2keh:

now to upgrade it with latest SVN

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my2keh:

tomorrows job

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my2keh:

Can I backup/restore mythconverg.program/channel/record to another box?

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my2keh:

whoops

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my2keh:

just the record

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my2keh:

like recorded shows?

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JackEStorm:

yes, myth has not DRM

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JackEStorm:

s/not/no/

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my2keh:

slick

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my2keh:

tomorrow is another day

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my2keh:

thanks!

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tonyr1988:

I'm having some problems with my PVR-150 remote. I know many others do, too, but I haven't found anything yet to help me. My problem seems to be different than most other peoples'.

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tonyr1988:

I have the receiver/blaster, but only need the receiver. I'm using Ubuntu Feisty with this guide:

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tonyr1988:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

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JackEStorm:

tonyr1988: trade ya, I have a Remote Wonder PLUS that does not work at all

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tonyr1988:

I go through everything, and it seems to be working fine, until I run irw. It seems that a lot of people have problems with it going straight back to a prompt.

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tonyr1988:

lol – ouch

[02:19:52]

tonyr1988:

For irw, it waits, and I push buttons, but nothing shows up at all. I know the remote is sending signals (I held it up to my digital camera, and can see the light).

[02:20:15]

tonyr1988:

There are two possible errors I see.

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tonyr1988:

dmesg has: "lirc_i2c: no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted."

[02:20:31]

JackEStorm:

the Remote Wonder works, the Remote Wonder II works, but the Remote Wonder Plus (in between the two others) does not.

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tonyr1988:

Should I get another remote? I figured this one would be best, since it came bundled with the PVR

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Fnc:

get the ms one

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tonyr1988:

Should I give up hope on this one?

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Kernel:

so how much money are the gonna want to get show listings?

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Kernel:

i hate the idea of paying for it :-/

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NightMonkey:

Kernel: Who? SD?

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Kernel:

yea

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Kernel:

its gonna stop sept 1...thats pretty soon.

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NightMonkey:

Kernel: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/faq

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Kernel:

yack

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Kernel:

5 bucks a months to seems like way to much

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NightMonkey:

Kernel: $5 buys a good slice of pizza w/ 2 toppings (w/o tip). But, you're free to try screen scraping.

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Kernel:

i dont know what im gonna do. but i dont got the extra money to buy it.

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NightMonkey:

ectospasm: Turn off your away, we don't care.

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Leebier:

hmm, i seem to be having a problem with ivtv

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Leebier:

error inserting itvtv (/lib/modules/<kernel>.fc7/kernel/drivers/media/video/ivtv/ivtv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

[03:05:54]

Leebier:

i can pastebin the relevent dmesg if anyone would like to see

[03:06:26]

Leebier:

the problem might have to do w/ the fact that ivtv doesn't seem to have put anything in my modprobe.conf

[03:07:18]

Leebier:

so i added the two alias lines i had saved from a previous mythbox setup, but i don't nkow if maybe that was wrong to do?

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knowledgejunkie:

Leebier: pastebin the dmesg – i have a minute before I go

[03:08:29]

Leebier:

grr, pastebin is being wonky, what was the other site that does that?

[03:08:46]

knowledgejunkie:

rafb.net?

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Leebier:

nvmind, i forgot it was canadian :)

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leebier-mythbox:

http://pastebin.ca/659096

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knowledgejunkie:

I'm guessing there's a version mismatch between your ivtv module and the other V4L stuff

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Leebier:

ahh

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Leebier:

hmm

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Leebier:

what do you think would be the best way to attack that?

[03:12:48]

Leebier:

v4l = video4linux, right?

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Leebier:

yum remove video4linux* ivtv* ?

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knowledgejunkie:

are you running the latest fc7 kernel? Have you separately installed ivtv?

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Leebier:

yes, and yes

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Leebier:

wait, 2.6.22.1–41

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Leebier:

i dunno if that's latest or not

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Leebier:

but i think it is

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knowledgejunkie:

have you run depmod recently?

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Leebier:

depmod -a right before trying modprobe ivtv

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Leebier:

so i uninstalled ivtv and video4linux

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Leebier:

reinstalled ivtv, (including firmware), depmod, modprobe, and it doesn't assign /dev/video0

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Leebier:

do i need to re-yum video4linux?

[03:23:20]

Leebier:

hmm

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Leebier:

even tha tdoesn't help

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knowledgejunkie:

my ivtv machines are running ivtv-less kernels so I need to install ivtv manually – why are you installing ivtv and v4l separately when it's included in the kernel?

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Leebier:

no error message now, but no assign of /dev/video0

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Leebier:

well, i didn't mean to install video4l sepearte, i think i goofed on that, but i've been more or less following jarod's guide, and it's always required installing ivtv

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knowledgejunkie:

the guide is for FC6. Read http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto is you have a 2.6.22 kernel

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Leebier:

this is true

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Leebier:

however, i managed to get it working hte other day, until i borked the entire system with bad LIRC stuff

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Leebier:

this is interesting

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Leebier:

but where does it leave me then?

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Leebier:

i mean, should i uninstall the rpms?

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knowledgejunkie:

Do you have more than 1 kernel installed?

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Leebier:

hmm, i think so

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Leebier:

i updated right after install, but i am pretty sure it left an old one around

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Leebier:

that is, i did a net install (rather than build the kernel) and then yum update

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knowledgejunkie:

I would remove the ivtv and v4l rpms first. then see if you have the kernel versions of ivtv installed

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Leebier:

how would i check that?

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knowledgejunkie:

you need to look in /lib/modules for the ivtv.ko file

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Leebier:

yep, i do

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Leebier:

so i can just begin capturing right away?

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Leebier:

do i need the lines in modprobe.conf or not?

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knowledgejunkie:

rerun depmod

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Leebier:

that is the two alias lines

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knowledgejunkie:

you shouldn't need the modprobe.conf lines with new versions of ivtv

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knowledgejunkie:

udev should create the devices for you

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Leebier:

ah

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Leebier:

depmod doesn't seem to have created a /dev/video0 though

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Leebier:

or is a reboot likely necessary?

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knowledgejunkie:

/sbin/rmmod ivtv cx25840 tuner tveeprom msp3400 wm8775 tda9887 saa7115 saa7127

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knowledgejunkie:

then, /sbin/modprobe ivtv

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cout:

why does mythtv hang sometimes when I skip ahead/backward on live tv?

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knowledgejunkie:

Leebier: then check dmesg

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Leebier:

unable to find the firmware

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Leebier:

or was the firmware not packaged w/ the kernel?

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knowledgejunkie:

no, not allowed. run yum -y install ivtv-firmware

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Leebier:

makes sense

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Leebier:

i got a little overzealous in my removing :)

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knowledgejunkie:

same with the intel wireless firmware

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Leebier:

awesome, thanks!

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Leebier:

it worked

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knowledgejunkie:

Leebier: great. That's $200 :)

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Leebier:

:)

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knowledgejunkie:

hehe

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knowledgejunkie:

have you got all the /dev/video* devices?

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Leebier:

looks like it

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knowledgejunkie:

great

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Leebier:

gonna do a cat to check

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Leebier:

crap

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Leebier:

i seem to have lost the add-on utils with ivtv though

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Leebier:

like, ivtv-tune

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Leebier:

which i guess is non-critical, though annoying

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knowledgejunkie:

v4l2-ctl

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knowledgejunkie:

you need to read the ivtvdriver.org site

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Leebier:

so it seems

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Leebier:

i'll have to do some reading to get the 350 output running too, it seems

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Leebier:

i got away w/o having to do that for the last couple years thanks to jarod

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knowledgejunkie:

the ivtv-db stuff is not in the kernel yet, afaik

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knowledgejunkie:

ivtv-fb

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Leebier:

yeah, that's what the howto page said

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Leebier:

so i'll have ot investigate

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knowledgejunkie:

anyhow, i'm off, night all

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Leebier:

thanks knowledge!

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Aval0n:

anyone here running wireless g on their mythtv setups?

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Leebier:

just got mine working today

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Leebier:

well, it may not be fair to call it a mythbox yet, i haven't actually run myth yet :)

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Leebier:

but what's the question, there is about a 7% chance i can be helpful :)

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Aval0n:

heheh

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Aval0n:

well

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Aval0n:

I don't supposed you used USB wireless g adapter?

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Aval0n:

I have motherboard with 3 pci slots

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Aval0n:

i have a kworld and 2 pvr's filling them

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Aval0n:

so I'de have to use a usb wireless G adapter

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Aval0n:

this thing is gonna go in my glass closed door entertainment center

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Aval0n:

and I'm wondering if I could just get one of those little thumbstick type USB adapters

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Aval0n:

or if I should go with the little linksys with the antenna on it

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Leebier:

well, if you already have a usb one w/ an antenna, why not try that?

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Leebier:

i'm under the impression they're often a bit stronger than the ones w/o, so you might get better reception inside the glass too

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Leebier:

i gotta say, wireless far from Just Worked for me, even w/ the madwifi drivers for the card. be prepared for a bit of frustration, and a ethernet card ready to use until you get it working right

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Leebier:

and now i'm off

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JeffH:

Is there a good website to find htpc cases? I can't seem to find one I like.

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defaultro:

good evening folks

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defaultro:

I just installed mythtv because it crashed 3 weeks ago. I have a mythconverg back but it's from Jan 7, 2007. Is it ok to restore from this?

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defaultro:

backup

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Agrajag-:

yeah, you're going to want to run mythfilldatabase though, and you're not going to have any recordings since then

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

what about the version?

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defaultro:

will there be any issue or incompatibilities?

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Agrajag-:

there's some script in contrib/ though i think, that will go through recordings in your recordings directory and add them if it can

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Agrajag-:

no, it'll upgrade it needed

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defaultro:

ok

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Agrajag-:

s/it/if

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defaultro:

i don't worry about recordings, they're all gone

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defaultro:

though they are in db

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defaultro:

I will just delete them manually

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defaultro:

or I can just do delete * from recordings

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defaultro:

don't know if that's a good idea

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Aval0n:

kazan u around?

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defaultro:

I also lost my .asoundrc :( but I don have asound.conf in /etc. I don't know if both have the same format

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defaultro:

s/don/do/

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defaultro:

wow, my backup is 54meg

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defaultro:

Agrajag, I've restored the backup database but mythtv-setup didn't see my previous cards

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defaultro:

the Input connections page is also blank

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Hoxzer:

You should make sure that the card actually works on your system

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defaultro:

It's an existing system that ran for 2 years

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Hoxzer:

DB has nothing to do with mythtv seeing the card or not

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Hoxzer:

defaultro: yeah, there is a chance that kernel got updated

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defaultro:

kernel?

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defaultro:

in what way?

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defaultro:

I can see all my cards in dmesg

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defaultro:

I was also able to add the cards manually in mythtv-setup yesterday

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defaultro:

however, I'm just trying to see if my backup will work

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Hoxzer:

ok

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defaultro:

question about the version, is it install on a table somewhere?

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defaultro:

the database version of mythtv

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Hoxzer:

dunno

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juski:

"DB has nothing to do with mythtv seeing the card or not".. never seen such BS Hoxzer. Mythtv holds all the config info in the DB, so if a card ain't in the DB, it ain't in mythtv

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borga2:

I had a schedule set and free card to record it and no other recordings but it was not recorded, but on the same channel an hour and half later it went fine, any clues?

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borga2:

I got the following in the backendlog:

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:00:05.974 TVRec(1): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:00:07.242 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:00:07.453 Started recording: Dora – utforskaren: channel 1030 on cardid 1, sourceid 1

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:00:07.656 scheduler: Last message repeated 4 times: Scheduled items: Scheduled 12 items in 0.1 = 0.05 match + 0.02 place

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:00:07.756 scheduler: Started recording: Dora – utforskaren: channel 1030 on cardid 1, sourceid 1

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:00:17.911 match[0]: 0 '' vs. ''

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:00:18.431 match[0]: 0 '' vs. ''

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:01:15.506 EITScanner: Added 21 EIT Events

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:01:15.512 Reschedule requested for id -1.

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:01:15.596 Scheduled 12 items in 0.1 = 0.06 match + 0.03 place

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juski:

pastebin, borga2 !!!!!!!

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:01:15.601 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 12 items in 0.1 = 0.06 match + 0.03 place

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:01:15.982 EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 4

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juski:

PASTEBIN damnint

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borga2:

2007-08–15 06:01:19.918 match[0]: 0 '' vs. ''

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Aval0n:

lol

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Hoxzer:

pastebin is cool place. You should go there sometime

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juski:

borga2: not that the info you flooded the channel with is any use. there's no info there

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Hoxzer:

"a cool place"

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juski:

I'd not go as far as saying pastebin.ca is COOL but it's useful to stop you getting yelled at for flooding the channel

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juski:

well, borga2 how about posting a longer log in pastebin.ca for us to look at? seeing more log, in context will possibly help

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juski:

glad I'm not holding my breath :)

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Solv:

I can't seem to get a movie I recorded manually to do a commflag job. I have run it twice, and in the watch recordings section it has the red flag icon...but when I playback there is no seektable...what am I missing?

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Solv:

commflag jobs work fine in scheduled recordings

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pat_:

yay, juski is back

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juski:

pat_: sssh

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juski:

Solv: probably missing recordseek table entries for that file

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juski:

mythcommflag --rebuild $filename

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pat_:

juski, did your wife enjoy the cheap wine/beer/spirits?

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juski:

or... mythcommflag --help

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Solv:

juski, sweet...

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juski:

pat_: yeah thanks

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juski:

I hate it when people come in here asking for help, then paste something, then say nothing & just vanish. mustn't want halp that much

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Aval0n:

juski

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Aval0n:

you ever heard of anyone wiring up and LED to show when your box is recoding?

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Aval0n:

recording*

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juski:

nope.

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Aval0n:

hmm

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juski:

if your system is setup correctly it should just sit there & do as it is told. I don't think I've ever had to keep a check on my system at home

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Aval0n:

do you watch dvds on your mythbox juski?

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juski:

duh yeah I do

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Aval0n:

juski: sometimes I don't know if my wife has something set to record. I do a lot of stuff in my entertainment center so before I go and unplug something or kill a breaker that little light lets me know

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Aval0n:

do you have digital sound out?

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juski:

yeah I use spdif all the time

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Aval0n:

ahh ok

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Aval0n:

is analog sound active the same time spdif is?

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juski:

not on stuff with DTS

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Aval0n:

right..

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Aval0n:

hmm I ordered this 7300gs with hdmi and it has a place on it where you can plug spdif

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Aval0n:

the mb I got the pins are missing for spdif

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Aval0n:

although the solder pads are there

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Aval0n:

they give me an optical spdif connector out

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Aval0n:

but I was hoping to still get the 2 chan audio through my hdmi

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Aval0n:

I wonder if I could plug a cable in line out on the soundcard, and chip the wires and put the spdif connector on it and connect to the vid card

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Aval0n:

chip/cut

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juski:

no way jose

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Aval0n:

no?

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Aval0n:

the spdif connector on the mb is 3 pins

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Aval0n:

I'm assuming for ground left and right

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juski:

lol no

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Aval0n:

hmm ok

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Aval0n:

so it's strictly digital eh?

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juski:

the 3 pins of a spdif connector on a soundcard or motherboard are 5V power, 0V and spdif

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juski:

and spdif has all channels embedded in it

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Aval0n:

the mb has the place for it

[06:57:57]

Aval0n:

but there are no pins

[06:58:02]

Aval0n:

I wonder if it's still active

[06:58:13]

Aval0n:

the solder pads are rather large

[06:58:22]

Aval0n:

I could just manuall solder the spdif jumper there...

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juski:

if I were you I wouldn't do it

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Aval0n:

why?

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juski:

just buy a $5 soundcard with spdif

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Aval0n:

no more pci slots

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Aval0n:

it gives me spdif optical out

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juski:

if I were ME I'd do it, but you're not me

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Aval0n:

but I want it going through my hdmi

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Aval0n:

I've soldered way more advanced stuff than that

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Aval0n:

I used to be an installer for team-x

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juski:

whatever the hell that means

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Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

nevermind

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Aval0n:

I have plenty of soldering practice

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Aval0n:

If you say one is 5v

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juski:

just make sure you only solder to spdif & GND

[07:00:08]

Aval0n:

I'll just test it with my multimeter

[07:00:13]

juski:

no

[07:00:18]

juski:

check the motherboard manual

[07:00:36]

Aval0n:

make I havn't explained well enough

[07:00:36]

juski:

the place for the connector should have a dot or other mark denoting what pin 1 is

[07:00:51]

Aval0n:

I have a real spdif optical out

[07:00:54]

Aval0n:

toslink

[07:01:01]

Aval0n:

can't use that for hdmi

[07:01:11]

Aval0n:

there is another spot on the mb

[07:01:23]

Aval0n:

that normally you would see pins coming up

[07:01:26]

Aval0n:

the pins aren't there

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juski:

it's likely the spdif level is +5V anyway, so may just look like 5V

[07:01:31]

Aval0n:

they never sodlered the connector one

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Aval0n:

on*

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Aval0n:

but it says spdif

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Aval0n:

I just don't want my wife to have to keep the reciever on just to watch TV

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juski:

what would be more reliable to do would be – WITH THE BOX TURNED OFF & UNPLUGGED – buzz the +5V from a HDD line to what you think might be +5V on the spdif connector

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Aval0n:

it's an onkyo and heats the whole living room up

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juski:

a low resistance path means that it'd be +5V – a higher resistance will probably mean you got the spdif signal.

[07:03:14]

Aval0n:

provided it's on the same 5v leg

[07:03:26]

Aval0n:

see it's tough

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Aval0n:

without the pins

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juski:

it's not tough

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Aval0n:

it's hard to say if it's even workign

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juski:

no PC PSU has isolated 5V outputs

[07:03:48]

juski:

one 5V output is connected to the others

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Aval0n:

pc power and cooling psu's do

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juski:

the only exception to that is 5V Standby, but your motherboard doesn't use much of that

[07:04:31]

Aval0n:

I don't know why they didn't just put the connector on it

[07:04:35]

Aval0n:

there is a place for it

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juski:

cost saving

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Aval0n:

unless it isn't active

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Aval0n:

what do you think the chances of it are that it is active heh

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juski:

you could also tack a wire onto the actual toslink module

[07:05:10]

Aval0n:

hmm

[07:05:20]

Aval0n:

and forget ground?

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juski:

lol no

[07:05:40]

juski:

but you can get ground from many places

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Aval0n:

true

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Aval0n:

hmm

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juski:

right then what I'd do is work out the pinout of the toslink module & wire up to that. you know it's active

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Aval0n:

ttrue

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juski:

and chances are you won't do much harm (if any) by putting +5V up the ass of a spdif input anyway

[07:06:57]

juski:

but on your own head be it

[07:07:28]

juski:

this is coming from the guy who added digital in & out to his minidisc deck & soundblaster live card

[07:07:28]

Aval0n:

:)

[07:07:44]

Aval0n:

nice

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Aval0n:

lol

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juski:

useless optical crap

[07:08:08]

Aval0n:

http://www.allegro.prh.pl/p5gd1/mini/DSCN0289.jpg

[07:08:21]

Aval0n:

to the right of the last pci slot

[07:08:25]

Aval0n:

you can see the solder pads

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juski:

seriously just work out the pinout of the toslink module

[07:09:33]

Aval0n:

it says spdif out

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Aval0n:

1

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Aval0n:

yeah but then i'de have to come from the bottom of the board

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juski:

if they missed a connector off to save costs it's likely they took links/resistors off too

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Aval0n:

I guess that's not a show stopper, but still

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juski:

if you're clever you don't have to come from the underside :D

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Aval0n:

lol

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juski:

if you can desolder the toslink module, that is :-P

[07:10:49]

Aval0n:

lol

[07:10:59]

Aval0n:

brand new board makes me hesitate a bit

[07:11:02]

Aval0n:

ahh well

[07:11:10]

Aval0n:

I'll figure it out somehow

[07:11:21]

Aval0n:

just wish I could test that spot with the multimeter to find out

[07:11:40]

juski:

the spdif signal might go through a topside component anyway, meaning you can just tack a wire onto an 0805 resistor or something

[07:12:40]

juski:

the toslink tx will have 3 pins, power, gnd & spdif

[07:12:58]

juski:

power & gnd should have low resistances to their respective PSU pins

[07:15:18]

Aval0n:

hmm

[07:15:53]

Aval0n:

so on the vid card I should see 3 pins as well?

[07:15:59]

Aval0n:

I would just connect all 3?

[07:16:06]

Aval0n:

or were you saying just spdif and ground?

[07:16:55]

juski:

just spdif & gnd

[07:17:13]

Aval0n:

how come not power?

[07:17:33]

juski:

because the video card has its own power

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Aval0n:

yeah but I think it's just a pass through

[07:18:00]

juski:

I thought you used to be an installer for team-x

[07:18:03]

Aval0n:

the vid card comes with an spdif cable

[07:18:16]

Aval0n:

I don't have it yet but I think from the pics I saw 3 conductors on the cable

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juski:

and the spdif cable has TWO wires I'll bet

[07:18:40]

Aval0n:

xbox didn't have spdif connectors

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Aval0n:

:)

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juski:

if it has 3 wires I bet one end doesn't use it – i.e. it won't be connected on the VGA card

[07:19:05]

Aval0n:

I'll have to look for it

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juski:

you only need spdif & GND is that clear?

[07:19:11]

Aval0n:

yessir

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Aval0n:

:)

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Aval0n:

if I solder to the toslink, can I use them both at the same time?

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juski:

Aval0n: in all likelihood yes

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Aval0n:

cool

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Aval0n:

thanks man

[07:20:18]

Aval0n:

I"ll let you know how it goes

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Aval0n:

I wonder if I could measure cont. betwen the pins on the toslink and the solderpads

[07:22:14]

Aval0n:

if it shorted

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Aval0n:

it should be active no>?

[07:22:35]

Aval0n:

the optical spdif is called spdif_02

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Aval0n:

the missing connector one is 01

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juski:

I dunno, not having seen the boad schematics

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juski:

*board

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Aval0n:

kinda makes me think that if they left tou resistors and what not, 02 would be killed the chain too

[07:23:20]

Aval0n:

out*

[07:23:38]

Aval0n:

anyway, I'm done buggin you about it :)

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juski:

worth buzzing it out

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Aval0n:

thanks for your great information

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juski:

np

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Aval0n:

goodnight :)

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juski:

any UK users here know where there's a script to parse a Sky channel lineup file from digitalspy & output xmltvids? I had one but can't find it again

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defaultro:

Agrajag, looks like I got it working now

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defaultro:

I had to correct my hostname

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defaultro:

all cards are seen now

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juski:

defaultro: changing a backend's hostname is about one of the easiest says to totally screw it up ;)

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DustyBin:

juski your back !

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pat_:

you're

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juski:

what about my back?

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juski:

don't worry I won't be here all day every day. I've learned my sanity is a valuable commodity

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juski:

bah this so-called clever channel grabber script is thick. it doesn't do ITV. hey maybe that could be a good thing..

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juski:

I'm revisiting my old idea to make a channel setup wizard for UK users

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clever:

.

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defaultro:

juski, i'm doing a restore. All the information in db is pointing to localhost. My current hostname is mythtv. When I changed it to localhost, everything got fixed

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juski:

and the thing is, it'll depend on up to date data for channel numbers & xmltvids & I'm looking to automate grabbing the data

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juski:

defaultro: heh yeah well it would do ;)

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defaultro:

:)

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juski:

sod it – I think I'm just gonna get all the info right by hand first, then put it into a DB. the db would then be pretty simple to keep up to date

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Crazyguy:

hey

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Crazyguy:

what dvb-t card would you recommend?

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juski:

look at the wiki at linuxtv.org tosee which are supported, then choose one from the list & buy it

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juski:

avoid the hauppauge nova-t500 though

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Crazyguy:

is there any card that's superior to others?

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juski:

I'd say avoid kworld, avoid terratec

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juski:

that basically leaves Hauppauge nova-t & little else

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Crazyguy:

great, so I'll order the nova-t

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Crazyguy:

hmm, does it support dvb-t standard's subtitles?

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juski:

tuner cards do not support dvb-t sub streams

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Crazyguy:

so it's in the software?

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juski:

all they do is dump the whole stream onto the PCI bus & it's up to software to decide what to do with it ;)

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Crazyguy:

ah, right

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juski:

and yes mythtv supports dvb-t subtitles

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juski:

and multiple audio streams

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Crazyguy:

that would have been my next question :p

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juski:

it records them too

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Crazyguy:

ooh, fancy

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juski:

and yes dvb radio is also supported

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Crazyguy:

I don't care about that, but good to know :)

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Crazyguy:

and thanks a lot for your help juski

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juski:

np :)

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Crazyguy:

do you know about the nova-t remote?

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juski:

it works in linux AFAIK

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Crazyguy:

ok

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pat_:

I use the cheapest cards avaialble in .au and they work fine (leadtek dtv1000t), cheap as

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juski:

the leadtek dtv1000t is the same design as my lr6650 which is what the nova-t is based on anyway IIRC

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Dibblah:

juski: Not all cards are completely dumb. Some (sky/air/cablestar) can do hardware PID filtering.

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juski:

I wouldn't want hardware PID filtering

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juski:

hardware PID filtering is gonna be nothing but a nuisance once the whole transport recording comes into the core code

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juski:

that is, if the driver won't allow it to be bypassed :)

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juski:

hmm what have we here? more than one DHCP server on the network again? naughty naughty!!!

[09:05:12]

Crazyguy:

again? :/

[09:05:56]

juski:

yeah there are some idiots at work who think it's ok to plug a wireless router in anywhere they like

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Crazyguy:

wireless router hunt, cool

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juski:

no, IT dept get to search for it, and then a manager can dish out punishment :D

[09:10:30]

Crazyguy:

bah

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juski:

if somebody connects unauthorised equipment I want them to get sacked

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Merlin83b:

juski: Toys R Us didn't have any £200 Mac Minis.

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juski:

yeah all the local ones I rang around said they either had none, or those that they had were ex-demo/damaged beyond repair

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Merlin83b:

Bah, you didn't tell me that bit!

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juski:

I thought "yeah, more like staff had first dibs"

[09:18:02]

Merlin83b:

Pretty much.

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juski:

I didn't ring around til I got home

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juski:

they weren't dual core ones anyway

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Merlin83b:

I just nipped over the the one on Great Ancoats Street. Weather was fine and it's only a 5/10 min walk anyway.

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juski:

I'd still be tempted to buy a mac mini. I'd be more inclined if I knew it could be used with a remote that has more buttons though

[09:20:33]

juski:

without a big ugly USB adapter I mean

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pat_:

my remotes work with a little tiny usb adapter

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pat_:

which isn't even noticable

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juski:

that's the joke with the mac mini – a USB IR remote reciever is half the size of the case

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pat_:

aah, for wives cooking dinner

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Merlin83b:

juski: If I feel inclinde I could check – we have a Mac Mini sat on the desk next to mine for testing compatibility and stuff. I could bring a remote in to try it. Or I could just try the one from the TV in the next room...

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juski:

if it's possible to send it more codes than the apple IR has buttons for I'll snap one up

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juski:

I don't even care if I have to reprogram my OFA remote again :)

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Merlin83b:

I'll have a look into it for you.

[09:27:18]

Merlin83b:

"EyeTV/EyeHome come with remotes, also, but they're only useful for controlling their own software"

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Merlin83b:

Sounds like it can take other codes.

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juski:

wooo

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juski:

I mean yeah I could prolly hack up the hardware but I'm not likely to do that on a brand new mac mini ;)

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Merlin83b:

Heh, there's one that lets you use a wiimote :)

[09:30:28]

Merlin83b:

Hmm, not sure actually, it supports BT things but maybe not other IR...

[09:31:46]

Merlin83b:

http://lirc.org/html/table.html lists support for the receiver.

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juski:

seems that irrecord can't be used to learn other remotes. reasonable

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Solv:

juski, hey...what do you mean by that?

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Solv:

I've used irrecord for 2 different remotes fine

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juski:

seems that irrecord can't be used to learn other remotes on the mac mini. reasonable

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adante:

hm

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Solv:

juski, what if the mac mini was running linux?

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adante:

just tried compiling mythbrowser and it went into an endless compile loop with qstring.. anybody experience this?

[09:37:57]

juski:

Solv: no dice

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Solv:

adante, nope, but I removed mythbrowser shortly adfter installing it

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Solv:

juski, this thread has made me think...hmm, might be a good frontend...seeming as it has an intel chip and all

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Merlin83b:

juski: How come it can't be used for that?

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juski:

Merlin83b: I suspect the remote receiver won't recognise any other codes than the 6 buttons

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Merlin83b:

I see, so a USB receiver would be the way to go.

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Merlin83b:

Annoying.

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juski:

Merlin83b: although, the lircd.conf for the mac mini has 6 codes present, and they're 8 bit – i.e. 0x09 etc

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Merlin83b:

(well, or BT or RF)

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juski:

the apple remote is bluetooth? EEEW

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juski:

if it was IR I might be able to get my own JP1 programmable remote to send other codes in the series & thus get it to work with many more buttons :)

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juski:

see I can program my remote to send any IR codes I want :)

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pat_:

an ir to usb receiver isn't that big a deal

[09:45:34]

juski:

yes it is

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Merlin83b:

Er no, the apple remote is IR, but lots of sugested replacements are BT.

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juski:

it's usually like 1/4 the size of the mac mini

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juski:

and they're all (without exception) FUGLY

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pat_:

mine is the size of a (us) quarter

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pat_:

with a lead

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pat_:

and two leds

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pat_:

big deal

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juski:

a USB one?

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juski:

my homebrew serial one is teeny tiny

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juski:

anyway, USB receivers add cost I could live without

[09:57:23]

juski:

hmmm seems it should be very easy to do what I want to do. there are up to 256 possible button codes :D

[09:57:31]

juski:

nice :D:D

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juski:

so that's the one blocker I had to buying a mac mini moved out of the way

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Solv:

do they have a built in ir receiver?

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juski:

yes they do

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Solv:

i see now

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Solv:

cool

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juski:

you could prolly jig up a harmony remote to send extra buttons & just plop em into lircd.conf too

[10:03:26]

Solv:

so lirc definitely supports the onboard ir? i can see support for a usb ir

[10:04:19]

juski:

AFAIK it does

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Solv:

ah yep...is too

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Solv:

hmmm...interesting howto for netbooting a mac mini powerpc as a thin client to use as a frontend for myth...cheaper than a new mac mini

[10:12:27]

juski:

yeah but no TV out

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Solv:

ah...i thought it did...surely there is an adapter available?

[10:13:41]

Solv:

other thing is the ir...howto talks about connecting it to your server...what's the point of that...

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juski:

huh?

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juski:

ah I got my first hate mail of the day. I love users, me

[10:15:23]

Solv:

it talks about setting up lirc on the server...if your ir module is connected to the server then it is pointless...you need to be able to use the ir in the mac mini

[10:15:51]

Solv:

oh..i see...an rf controller, not an ir one

[10:16:06]

juski:

no, the standard remote is IR

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juski:

and you're probably reading some retard's blog page

[10:16:27]

Solv:

yeah, but it sayus to use an ATI Remote Wonder....

[10:16:37]

Solv:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Diskless_Mac-Mini_Howto

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juski:

I bloody hate it when people post useful info on blogs

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juski:

Solv: probably because they've not got a very capable remote ;)

[10:17:31]

Solv:

well I imagine getting ir hardware to work on a thin client would be a bit of a task

[10:17:46]

juski:

IMHO, people who need RF remotes to control the frontend from the next room are a bit dim

[10:17:54]

Solv:

i set up a fair few ltsp server and clients...and getting disk support is hard enough

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juski:

what the f.. ?

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juski:

diskless clients are a piece of pie to get worky

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juski:

nfsroot

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Solv:

talking aobut usb, floppy, cdrom

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juski:

you put the ir receiver kit on the frontend, not the server, shesh

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Solv:

obviously

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juski:

well, that's my fix for today

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juski:

any more than this & I'll start bouncing off walls

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Solv:

but getting it to work wouldn't be easy...

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DGnome:

I have a mythfrontend running on a c2d-machine, booting from compactflash, connected to a backend via ethernet and I get video lag every few seconds. Is there a buffer I can resize or anything to try to prevent this? Does the frontend write stuff to disk while playing stuff?

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DGnome:

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toni_:

hi. Anyone using both tuners of a HVR-1100 in mythtv?

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toni_:

anyone using a dual analog/dvb-t card in mythvt?

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askvictor:

the backend setup program keeps crashing on me when I try to do a channel scan. It used to work, now it doesn't, and I don't think I changed anything.

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askvictor:

Any ideas?

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floppyears:

hi guys

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floppyears:

what filesystem would you recommend me to use with mythtv ? ext3, xfs or jfs ? I've always used ext3, but are the other ones stable enough to use with mythtv ?

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juski:

xfs is just fine here

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Kazan:

i use ext3

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Kazan:

SATA 250GB x 2 LVM ext3 formated mounted /video

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Kazan:

how well does MythGame behave? and what emulators are available?

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jams:

MythGame will call whatever emulator/program you tell it to.

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jams:

it is no longer limited to specific emulators

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SiD3WiNDR:

it's a pity those emu's demand so much cpu power ;/

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SiD3WiNDR:

played some master system games on my sempron 2400+ and it got up to 80% cpu or so (on windows)

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SiD3WiNDR:

so I figure that won't work on my p3 1GHz frontend ;)

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Kazan:

yeah

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Kazan:

either of you ever play Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance on console?

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** pink_ adds setting up mythgame to his todo list :) **

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** alex_ want's a TIKI 100 emulator **

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bradd:

is mythweather supposed to work in the svn version?

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GreyFoxx:

I believe it's quite broken

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laga:

it's supposed to be working

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laga:

GreyFoxx: mythweather-revamp was merged

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GreyFoxx:

does it actually work ? Last I heard it was still not working, though I haven't tried it myself

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bradd:

it doesnt appear to be working for me

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laga:

setup is a bit hatrd

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laga:

bradd: what's the problem?

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bradd:

"retrieving weather data...."

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bradd:

but it never comes back with anything

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laga:

bradd: svn trunk or fixes?

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bradd:

svn trunk

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laga:

did you set it up?

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bradd:

i believe so.. i added the 6 day forcast screen

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bradd:

oh there we go..i delete 2 of the other screens and the 6 day forcast works

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bradd:

it wont let me select either of the maps though

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bradd:

or "current conditions"

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defaultro:

hey folks, anyone owned a laser disc player before?

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SiD3WiNDR:

for karaoke? :>

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defaultro:

no, for watching movies

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defaultro:

we had one but that was like 15 years ago. I didn't pay attention to the interfaces at the back. Can they do widescreens too? We only had 4:3 tv back then

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defaultro:

also, I don't know if my memory was right. I bought a Sony DVD player last 2001. My eyes were telling me that the laser disc picture quality is better than the DVD. Am I correct?

[14:50:45]

Merlin83b:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc#Laserdisc_vs._DVD

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

The first sentence :D

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Merlin83b:

Keep reading though; it only applies to "good" LDs, of which there are few.

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defaultro:

and yes, I didn't recall any blockiness in LD

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Merlin83b:

And in particular to early "bad" DVDs.

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Merlin83b:

Heh, you wouldn't, being analogue and all :)

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defaultro:

which I saw when I first played a movie in DVD

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

that's a good article buddy

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defaultro:

I was disappointed in my DVD

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raw27:

hola fellow myth users

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floppyears:

hi, what filesystem do you guys use ?

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raw27:

okie-doki, here's the thing: using 0.20 on ubuntu 7.04 as backend on server pc and ubuntu live cd on a PC for the frontend. Now, everything seems ok (logs ..), but when I try to "watch TV" the frontend stops for a second and I'm right back at the main menu.

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raw27:

can't find frontend (if there is any made).. the backend log just states: "2007-08–16 17:02:54.282 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor

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raw27:

2007-08–16 17:02:54.289 adding: ubuntu as a client (events: 0)

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raw27:

2007-08–16 17:02:54.294 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor

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raw27:

2007-08–16 17:02:54.295 adding: ubuntu as a client (events: 1)"

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raw27:

(uh i meant "cant find frontend log" if there's any made with live cd)

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** raw27 is stuck. any advice would be appriciated ;) **

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bradd:

mmm fun..

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bradd:

dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia//libglx.so: undefined symbol: _nv001462gl

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raw27:

btw. already surfed around the web a few times. nothing. hard to search for a error if there "isn't one".

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bradd:

run the frontend via vnc in a terminal

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bradd:

it will output errors to stdout

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defaultro:

what other tables should I look at? I'm still not able to see a signal

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defaultro:

I restored from my backup last night. All cardinput, capturecard, dtv_multiplex are populated with the working setup

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defaultro:

could it be caused by udev?

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defaultro:

however I see all /dev/dvb/adapter*

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raw27:

@bradd: can't run frontend via vnc on server.

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bradd:

why not?

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raw27:

hmm maybe I don't completely understand (private?)

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bradd:

do you have a keyboard/mouse attached to the computer?

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raw27:

server? no.. only network access. ssh and vnc.

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bradd:

okay..so you can vnc into it

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raw27:

yep.

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bradd:

vnc into ..open a terminal..and type "mythfrontend" and it will run mythfrontend and log errors to the terminals stdout

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raw27:

but cant run frontend on that machine..

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bradd:

<---confused then

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raw27:

it dies immediately: "importand general segmentation fault ...". that pc wasn't meant to be front end.. there are only generic graphic drivers n stuff.

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raw27:

can i run frontend with extra logging or sth?

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raw27:

(found it – will try sth like this: mythfrontend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log &)

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bhikkhu:

In mythVideo, can I play a video from a symbolic link rather than the video itself?

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floppyears:

bhikkhu: I would say yes

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floppyears:

bhikkhu: a symbolic link, is a pointer to the actual file

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bhikkhu:

and myth just uses mplayer (or whatever player) to point at a file — so I would think it would work too — I'm not at my myth box to test though, and I am toying around with an idea in my head. The curiosity was killing me... thanks for the response

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floppyears:

sure, np

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bradd:

is there a way to scan the music database from the cli?

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jams:

nope

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bradd:

do you know if there are certain characters mythmusic doesnt allow in filenames?

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jams:

i thought it accepted everything utf-8 but gbee would know more then myself

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bradd:

okay..im just curious as mythfrontend keeps seg faulting as im scanning my music files

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bradd:

unfortunately it doesnt say what file its crapping out on

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jams:

i doubt the logfiles say much either.

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jams:

does it segfault right away?

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bradd:

no

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bradd:

it imports about half of my music files..~ 7500 mps

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bradd:

then it dies

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jams:

hmm, well you could get a backtrace. The directions are in the mythtv docs

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jams:

or you could try strace. That would show you which files it's accessing

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jams:

however strace will slow things down a bit

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Aval0n:

kazan you there?

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Kazan:

yeah

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Aval0n:

hi man

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Aval0n:

you use a kworld 110 right?

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Aval0n:

make sure i'm remembering correclty before I ask you

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Aval0n:

just wanted to know how you got the IR port working on your card

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Aval0n:

or if it works even

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Kazan:

yes i use a kworld 110

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Kazan:

no i don't have my ir port working

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Kazan:

requires a kernel patch

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Aval0n:

so what do you use for ir?

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raw27:

back. Fount the error, but no solution: "RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out" and then "GetEntryAt(-1) failed" ..

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raw27:

this is in frontend log when starting Live TV

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raw27:

btw frontend can connect to mysql and backend .. (did try to telnet it from frontend PC) .. so it's something else. maybe a problem with TV card (PVR-500), but the channel scan was OK..

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bradd:

raw .,..so the frontend does start..it just dies when you try to watch tv?

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raw27:

jep

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bradd:

definitely sounds like the card is not setup properly....from the main screen go down to information center->system status->tuner status

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raw27:

tuner status is "tuner1 is not recording"

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raw27:

should it be? :)

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bradd:

no

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bradd:

that is good

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raw27:

can i test the thing somehow? on server maybe

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bradd:

are you able to tune channel directly in mplayer?

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bradd:

have you use the dvb-apps to make sure you are getting signal lock, etc...

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Aval0n:

kazan you there still?

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Kazan:

Aval0n: i'm using a serial receiver

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raw27:

hmm I'll try with mplayer, but there arent any extra drivers on the server machine (graphics, glstuff)

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Aval0n:

I have a usb one that came with my laptop

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raw27:

thanks for helping by the way. :)

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Aval0n:

think that would work?

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Kazan:

probably not

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Kazan:

check the lirc documentation

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Aval0n:

=(

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bradd:

sure

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bradd:

so it looks like this music scanning problem i was having is related to the version(s) of id3tag

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Aval0n:

kazan but if I add a serial patch the one on the kworld will work?

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Aval0n:

=(

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raw27:

back (dinner). @bradd how can i use tuner in mplayer?

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bradd:

just confirmming..you are dealing with a dvb card here right?

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raw27:

hauppauge pvr 500 mce

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raw27:

so ... yes dvb

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praet:

mplayer /dev/video0 ?

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bradd:

yea

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praet:

you caould also cat /dev/video0 > tmp.mpg and then mplayer tmp.mpg

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bradd:

i didnt think the pvr 500 was a dvb card

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bradd:

though

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raw27:

http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=WhatCardYouUse

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bradd:

right..its analog :) mplayer /dev/video0

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raw27:

as i said.. didnt work on the server. mplayer that is. "fatal: could not initialize video filters or video output"

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praet:

in your ivtv logs it will show up as two pvr-150s (what i have)

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praet:

raw27: what about video1

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raw27:

same.

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praet:

mplayer -vo xv /dev/video0

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bradd:

the server doesnt have X running right? you may need to cat to a file as praet said and transfer the file to a machine with a display

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bradd:

i gotta run...sorry i couldnt be more help.

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raw27:

"no xvideo support for your video card availabe" .. its some old geforce2 as vesa..

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raw27:

thanks dude. cya

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raw27:

@praet: how can i cat to a file?

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praet:

cat /dev/video0 > filename.mpg

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raw27:

and then ctrl-c ?

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praet:

yes

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praet:

it will dump whatever time you leave it running

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raw27:

ofcourse. gettit, thanks.

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raw27:

done it. it works.

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praet:

great

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raw27:

so... the tuner should be ok. really dont know where the problem could be. :[

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praet:

ok try this. telnet 192.168.1.yourip 6543

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praet:

whatever your backend ip is

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praet:

also, are you running mythweb?

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raw27:

did that already .. its ok. it connects.

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raw27:

yep also.

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praet:

ok

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raw27:

mysql is also ok.

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praet:

did you try to connect to the mysql db from fe

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praet:

haha

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praet:

ok

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raw27:

:>

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praet:

opem mythweb, settings

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raw27:

ye ..

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praet:

in settings, change the ip in DefaultVxmlUrl to your ip

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raw27:

did that.

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raw27:

but directly in database.. hmm tell me anyway .. where is this in settings?

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praet:

on the backend, re-set the server address

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praet:

in mythweb > settings table > DefaultVxmlUrl

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raw27:

setting table.. just a moment ..

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raw27:

hmm no DefaultVxmUrl at the settings table (web)

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raw27:

ill check phpmyadmin..

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praet:

mythweb/settings/settings?host=hostname

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praet:

default will be http://127.0.0.1/vxml/index.vxml (for fe/be on same machine)

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praet:

MythTv > Settings > MythTV settings table

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raw27:

jep. i was looking at the right table but there is "edit settings for:" and this defaultvxmurl isnt set for every 'host'

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raw27:

i have a few options (hosts): -global-, Knoppix, myth1, tvpc, ubuntu .. everyone has different kinds of settings set. crap :)

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inful:

I have the following problem: I can watch live TV fine through mythtv, but recording fails with the following message:

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raw27:

btw: 'http://192.168.0.2/vxml/index.vxml' was not found on the server. hmm

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inful:

TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 32. Reverting to kState_None

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inful:

Any pointers as to where I should start looking?

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raw27:

'http://192.168.0.2/mythweb/vxml/index.vxml' returns "An unknown module was specified" in web .. is this ok?

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praet:

hm. http://tinyurl.com/27po9 "mod_rewrite setup in .htaccess is not correct" check to see that .htaccess is in the mythweb dir

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raw27:

i think i fixed that. i'll look into it. thanks.

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floppyears:

raw27: double check the ip address

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floppyears:

raw27: the default subnet that people use is: 192.168.1.0

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floppyears:

so maybe try the address: 192.168.1.2

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raw27:

:) thanks. no problem there though.

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praet:

raw27: got lots of machines there...

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tekny:

just received an email from koolu sales.. it doesn't support TV-OUT

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tekny:

(if that interests anyone)

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Aval0n:

anyone have an ir reciever working through usb

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Aval0n:

?

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Hoxzer:

:( I lost my TT C-1500 IR-receiver and in finland yopu just can't find ir-receivers for sale meaning that I have to order one from germany

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Aval0n:

=(

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Aval0n:

was it usb?

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praet:

hehe

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Hoxzer:

noopee it goes straight to the card

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Aval0n:

oh nice

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praet:

how did you lose that?

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raw27:

@praet: did check .htaccess .. dunno what could be wrong.

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Hoxzer:

praet: it left it into my mother's work room for few weeks

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tekny:

Avalon; i got a MCE IR receiver that works on USB

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Hoxzer:

and it mysteriously dissapeared

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praet:

raw27: try running live tv again

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praet:

Hoxzer: yikes.. I woulnt see anyone taking that for any reason tho.. no motive

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raw27:

restarting mythbackend first?

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bradd:

hey raw...does the myth user have write permissions to the recordings directory?

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raw27:

same reponse.. doesnt work.

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raw27:

yep. it has.

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raw27:

i'll try to run the backend setup again..

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bradd:

did you try to record something without actaully watching live tv?

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raw27:

i tryed the mplayer to mpg thing before and it worked.. so tuner is ok.

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raw27:

(damn forgot how to start mythbackend setup from another box )

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tekny:

damn indeed

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raw27:

:)

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raw27:

btw what should this return: http://192.168.0.2/mythweb/vxml/index.vxml ?

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bradd:

no idea

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tekny:

a voice xml interface?

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defaultro:

my mythtv is able to record now :) I just need to fix .asoundrc. Need to find how I did the SPDIF previously.

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raw27:

fixed it.. dunno what is was – i run the setup again (through ssh -X ...) and now video works. have to fix the sound now. :)

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defaultro:

i need some help folks, using -D analog and -D digital in aplay works well. But when I use -D default, I get this error -> "aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy"

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defaultro:

here is my asoundrc, http://nopaste.com/p/aAQom9Qpl

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defaultro:

disregard, i fixed it

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jarle:

In my backend log: "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" however "mysql -u mythtv -p -h localhost mythconverg" works fine on the backend.... Any ideas?

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defaultro:

hey folks, I couldn't find my other notes. I couldn't remember what I did to make the playback smooth. Audio is fine

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defaultro:

maybe, I have to run nvidia tool

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defaultro:

and also VBLANK

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defaultro:

something

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floppyears:

does anyone here use xfs ? if so do you find it reliable ?

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n3rdglass:

is it possible to just pass through HDTV from a set top box?

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defaultro:

I love xfs

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defaultro:

if you were here last week, I did some test versus ext3

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psymin:

I don't love xfs :(

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floppyears:

why do you love/hate xfs ?

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defaultro:

I created a 40g file in ext3 and deleted the file, it took more than 1 minute to complete

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defaultro:

i created a 40g file in xfs and deleted the file, it took 1 sec to complete

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defaultro:

i need performance

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defaultro:

I can't afford 1 minute to delete a file

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psymin:

I had XFS on my encrypted homedir partition. A month ago I had filesystem corruption and was unable to recover. Probably just my own in(un?)familiarity with the filesystem caused me to be unable to recover.

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defaultro:

backup is the answer

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defaultro:

I always have backup

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defaultro:

I don't care if it gets corrupted

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defaultro:

as long as I have a working copy

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psymin:

I'd rather take a minute to delete than have to recover from a backup :) .. but yes .. backups are good

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floppyears:

defaultro: do you remember what day it was ? I probably have it in my logs

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defaultro:

check 1 week before

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psymin:

it certainly was zippy though

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defaultro:

i don't know if it was here or in #fedora

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defaultro:

what is zippy?

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floppyears:

do you notice a difference in performace in mythtv when using xfs vs ext3 ?

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n3rdglass:

ok i realize im asking a stupid noob question, can anyone point me in the right direction?

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defaultro:

i have never use ext3 in mythtv

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psymin:

xfs

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defaultro:

i used xfs back in 2005

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defaultro:

the only thing I can say and backup is the large file deletion

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floppyears:

does it make a huge diff. in performance when not using xfs with mythtv ?

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defaultro:

writes in xfs is also faster

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defaultro:

I created the 40g in 7 mins

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defaultro:

5 mins in xfs

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defaultro:

7 mins in ext3

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defaultro:

but that is the same harddware and harddisk

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defaultro:

same hour

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defaultro:

go to the wiki and they mention xfs there

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floppyears:

what about stability ? do you have to be extra careful to not run into problems like psymin ?

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defaultro:

if your recordings are small, go with ext3

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floppyears:

yes, I looked at the wiki

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defaultro:

I never encountered major issues

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defaultro:

i ran my mythtv for 2 years

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floppyears:

but I don't know how much the filesystem used affects the performace of mythtv

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defaultro:

it was sweet

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defaultro:

LVM+XVS

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defaultro:

LVM+XFS

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defaultro:

floppyears, are you listening to me

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psymin:

what tool is used to repair xfs?

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defaultro:

I'm just telling you my experience

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defaultro:

psymin, I have not done any research yet. Like what I said, no issues in 2 years

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floppyears:

defaultro: so when you click on delete recording, mythtv actually stalls for however long it takes to delete the file ?

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psymin:

I'm just far more familiar with e2fsck n stuff

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defaultro:

floppyyears, for sure, that's going to happen in ext3

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defaultro:

mythtv is just an app

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defaultro:

mythtv is running on top o flinux

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defaultro:

so mythtv won't change your speed

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psymin:

ahh yes, xfsdump .. if you are using xfs you prolly wanna use xfsdump .. that would have saved my bacon I think

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floppyears:

defaultro: can you repeat your last sentence I didn't understand it

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defaultro:

floppy, if I were you, I'd go ahead and continue with the installation so I can start recording tonight :)

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defaultro:

which one?

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floppyears:

defaultro: I will do the install in about 4 hrs :)

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floppyears:

defaultro: the one in which you say: "so mythtv won't change your speed"

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floppyears:

psymin: what does xfsdump do ?

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psymin:

"xfsdump backs up files and their attributes in a filesystem."

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floppyears:

thanks

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psymin:

np, and xfs_restore I think .. is somewhat similar to e2fsck .. but not qutie

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psymin:

s/qutie/quite/

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defaultro:

oh, floppyears, whatever your system is, mythtv won't help in speeding up the performance. So if your max harddrive speed is 50m/s, it will stay at 50m/sec

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laga:

wow. next thing you'll tell me is that myth can't do the laundry for me.

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gbee:

ok folks, yet again it's time for me to beg someone to test the xmltv changes patch for -fixes, I'd really like to get it in before Sept 1st when some of you will actually need it ;)

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gbee:

laga: of course it can, what do you think the Mythwash plugin does?

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defaultro:

I love mythwash

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floppyears:

defaultro: no, but was I was referring to is: will using xfs over ext3 make mythtv more responsive or faster ?

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defaultro:

i was recommending xfs fs for your data

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defaultro:

a nice machine will help to make it more responsive

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floppyears:

I have a 500GB sata with an athlon 64 x2 dual core

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defaultro:

that's enough machine

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defaultro:

I only have athlon 6400 and am happy with it

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defaultro:

but am also going to buy similar cpu like yours soon

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floppyears:

so mythtv doesn't feel laggy or anything like that ?

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defaultro:

of course, with your cpu, it won't, playback will be very smooth

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floppyears:

or is it like, you press a button and it takes a few seconds for it to respond

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defaultro:

2 to 4 seconds

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defaultro:

right now, since it's a new install, takes 1 sec

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defaultro:

but am happy with it

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defaultro:

install it now dude

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defaultro:

:) and have fun

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floppyears:

the part that I need is supposed to be delievered today, but it hasn't arrived yet :(

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defaultro:

are you considering different pvr like beyondtv or gbpvr

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defaultro:

gotcha

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defaultro:

what captured card did you buy?

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floppyears:

defaultro: I got 2 hauppage 150

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floppyears:

defaultro: what types of pvr are those and how do they compare to mythtv ?

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praet:

!seen hobophobe

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tcpsyn:

So... I just noticed, that I've got a noticable line through my ntsc recordings... It's horizontal, about 80% up the picture, it doesn't scroll, and I only notice it when the picture is moving. It doesn't happen on DVD or HD recordings.

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tcpsyn:

bitrate doesn't seem to effect it

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tcpsyn:

I also only notice it on my tv.

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tcpsyn:

not on my monitor

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tcpsyn:

scan settings don't seem to effect it.

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tcpsyn:

and it's really annoying

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tcpsyn:

any ideas?

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floppyears:

I'm wondering whether I should install an ubuntu package or compile from svn ?

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floppyears:

since stuff will be updated before sept to include the sd tv listings

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floppyears:

does ubuntu take a while to update its packages if so is it better to compile from svn ?

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g3k:

I am hoping they treat this as a critical fix and make it available by Sept 1 or a few days later.

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gbee:

apart from a couple of minor problems with matrovska – is there anything which the internal player can't handle in svn?

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psofa:

anyone knows whats the difference between xvideo texture /blitter ?

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tcpsyn:

anyone know of a way to do automatic fine tuning?

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Anduin:

gbee: ogv Theora, I keep meaning to look at it

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Aval0n:

damn it

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Aval0n:

this sucks I ordered my 2 pvr 150s and my 7300gs

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Aval0n:

the 7300gs's heatsink is so big it covers the first damned pci slot

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Aval0n:

GRRRR

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tcpsyn:

damn.

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tcpsyn:

that sucks

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floppyears:

Aval0n: damn, that's what I have arriving today :(

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floppyears:

Aval0n: I'm pretty sure I'm in the same boat as you

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BULLE:

floppyears: what hardware are you talking about ?

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floppyears:

I'm also getting a 7300gs video card

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BULLE:

floppyears: oh, i think i have a 7300gs card in my htpc

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BULLE:

its 7300 something atleast, let me check

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BULLE:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7300 GS (rev a1)

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BULLE:

floppyears: and the problem with the 7300 GS is what ?

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floppyears:

the size, Aval0n was mentioning that uses 2 slots becaue of its heatsink :(

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BULLE:

floppyears: oh, thats up to each and every model, i have a passively cooled one that only takes up one slot though, so they surely exist

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floppyears:

oh

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BULLE:

most i have seen, have been single slot only

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BULLE:

floppyears: my 7300 was cheap, single slot, passively cooled, and has component video output, as well as vga and dvi, im pretty happy about it

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Aval0n:

the only 7300 with hdmi is the msi

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Aval0n:

which has the huge ass heatsink

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Kazan:

stardust is a good movie

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Aval0n:

kazan does the kworld suck for analog?

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Kazan:

i don't use it for analog

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Aval0n:

cause it looks like i might be stuck with 1 pvr and the kworld

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Aval0n:

=(

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Kazan:

but yes AFAIK it's just a bt878 for analog

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Aval0n:

damn it

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Aval0n:

this sucks damn hard

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Kazan:

get a PVR-500

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Kazan:

two mpeg2 hardware encoding tuners on one PCI board

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BULLE:

Kazan: or just get a dvb/atsc card that dumps the mpeg2 transport stream directly

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uwflatlander:

Howdy, quick question. I am having problems with mythdvd in ubuntu. It sees the DVDs, can play the DVDs, but when going to transcode them it does nothing when you select the rip settings and then try to queue up the rip job.

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Kazan:

BULLE: you weren't reading

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Kazan:

BULLE: the KWorld 110 is an ATSC card.. and ALL ATSC cards dump the mpeg2ts directly

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tcpsyn:

uwflatlander whats mtd say?

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Kazan:

he was talking about analog side of things

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floppyears:

so do you guys suggest that I install the ubuntu binary packages for mythtv or compile from svn ?

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Kazan:

always compile

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Kazan:

and enable processor optimizations

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floppyears:

Kazan: why and do you have links to instructions ?

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Kazan:

processor optimizations for your own system = better performance

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floppyears:

or are you just a gentoo user :)

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Kazan:

gentoo makes me barf

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Kazan:

i'm running FC7 2.6.22–41 kernel + svn trunk

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Kazan:

http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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NightMonkey:

Kazan: Easy on the flamebait, plz.

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Kazan:

NightMonkey: it was an opinion, if you don't like it feel free to disregard it

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BULLE:

floppyears: if you have a system thats realy resource limited, or some unkommen hardware compilation might be an option

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BULLE:

floppyears: if you have fast hardware, and the fedora or ubuntu or whatever binary packages are built for you cpu type, dont bother with recompiling imho

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floppyears:

thanks guys

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floppyears:

Kazan: how much longer and tedious is the process if you compile it ?

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floppyears:

Kazan: what exactly do you have to compile just mythtv or a whole bunch of libraries ?

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gbee:

floppyears: compiling mythtv is child's play

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floppyears:

weee

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floppyears:

thanks gbee

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gbee:

./configure, make, sudo make install

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floppyears:

and Kazan and BULLE and everybody else :)

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floppyears:

gbee: I was just worried that it might be tricky or something, although I have installed lfs before

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gbee:

floppyears: you may need some -dev or -devel packages for a few things

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floppyears:

ok

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gbee:

but aside from dependancies, it's really easy

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gbee:

I'd recommend installing ccache – makes compiling updates 100x faster

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BULLE:

floppyears: depends a bit, if you want to have full cpu support it doesnt make sense to only compile mythtv

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BULLE:

floppyears: you should realy compile all mythtv dependencies aswell, atleast all media codecs and similar stuff that you might use in mythtv and extra modules

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BULLE:

floppyears: so you get the proper sse support

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gbee:

initial compile can take a while, but nothing like the old kernel compiles on a p200 :)

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Kazan:

floppyears: sry was afk

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gbee:

BULLE: mythtv doesn't use any external media codecs (plugins does, but only if you chose xine/mplayer over the built in player)

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floppyears:

Kazan: what ?

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Kazan:

i was afk

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Kazan:

hence not responding

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BULLE:

gbee: ye i know, thats why i said plugins/modules

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BULLE:

gbee: most people seem to use those

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floppyears:

so, I'll just compile mythtv since I'm only going to use the built in stuff

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BULLE:

floppyears: what cpu do you have ?

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floppyears:

BULLE: amd 64 dual core 3800

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gbee:

BULLE: aye, think that's mostly because they follow really old guides which were written before the internal player existed as an option for mythvideo

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floppyears:

gbee: how long does it take you to compile it ?

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floppyears:

15:14 < Kazan> i'm running FC7 2.6.22–41 kernel + svn trunk

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floppyears:

oops, I was pasting that in a notepad to follow later

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Kazan:

compiling takes me for a while because i have a CPU barely able to do HDTV with XvMC (50% cpu util)

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gbee:

as I was just checking before, the internal player can handle just about all common formats now – personally I'd like to drop support for using xine/mplayer entirely, but I think I'd have a fight on my hands there

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BULLE:

gbee: i still have some problems with the built in player for some more exotic fileformats

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BULLE:

floppyears: that cpu will play all media just fine with the precompiled binaries

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BULLE:

gbee: im all for dropping mplayer/xine the day the internal player plays all files i want to play

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gbee:

floppyears: I really can't remember how long it took for a complete compile, these days I'm only compiling small updates which don't take more than a couple of minutes (thanks to ccache)

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gbee:

BULLE: if you could, submitting tickets for formats which don't work would help us to know what needs to be done

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BULLE:

gbee: i could do that yes, but its mainly some streaming formats that i can get to play well with the internal player, eg realmedia and windows media format

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gbee:

the main reason I want rid of xine/mplayer is to simplify setup and improve the overall user experience by providing a seemless integration – same OSD, same options, one lot of settings instead of 2/3 etc

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BULLE:

gbee: oh yes

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BULLE:

gbee: i fully agree

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BULLE:

gbee: i would love some type of plugin that would allow me to browse some streaming services aswell

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BULLE:

gbee: for example, here in sweden, state television provides all the programmes they produce themeselves, from their streaming servers

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directhex:

has any sexy individual written patches for OGM subtitle streams whilst i've been sleeping?

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CharlieSu:

Anyone use SVN version of mythtv and ubuntu 7.04 ? I'm looking for a good howto on installing it

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tcpsyn:

I'm not having any love with fine tuning

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floppyears:

so I have 480G of free space, should I create 1 or more partitions for mythtv data ? does it matter ?

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gbee:

BULLE: I'm sure someone will write that plugin, personally I don't even use mythvideo (other than for testing) so it's unlikely to be something high on my list of jobs

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BULLE:

gbee: im using mythweb for that stuff for now, its a bit fiddly to movethe mouse cursor with the remote, but it works

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gbee:

mythbrowser you mean?

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gbee:

floppyears: no point in splitting it up for mythtv recordings imho

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Kazan:

make 1 partition.. easier

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gbee:

a lot more flexible that way

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floppyears:

thanks

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Kazan:

df -h .... /dev/mapper/mythvideo-storage 460G 221G 216G 51% /video

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gbee:

heh, just a little more storage than me

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tcpsyn:

anyone know if there are plans on implementing auto tune for ntsc in the upcomming myth release?

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Kazan:

what i want is for it to scan both ATSC and QAM on the same card automagically and have an interactive channel editor

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gbee:

I've got two drives a 250Gb and a 120Gb, the 120Gb has 80Gb for recordings and 40Gb for root/home

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Kazan:

i have a seperate drive for system

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Kazan:

an old 15gb drive

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gbee:

thanks to the magic of storage groups, no f'ing about with LVM or raid – total of 330Gb for recordings

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Kazan:

i can add several more harddrives and just vgadd

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gbee:

sounds painful

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Kazan:

nope it's really simple

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Kazan:

if i added two drives it would take at most six commands to initialize them and add them to the storage

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Kazan:

(3 commands per drive, not 6 per drive)

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Kazan:

i could probably combine the last two commands into one

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gbee:

I was joking really about "vgadd" ;) I think I still prefer the simplicity of storage groups though

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Kazan:

pvcreate twice, vgextend twice, then one lvextend

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Kazan:

wtf is the difference between storage groups and lvm?

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Kazan:

three more commands... umount ext3 resize remount

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jams:

storage groups tell myth which dir's it can use for storage. lvm turns multiple disks into one virtual disk

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jams:

very different things

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Kazan:

aaah

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Kazan:

didn't know myth could use multiple dirs

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jams:

yep

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jams:

with the addition of storage groups i consider lvm to be useless for myth

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gbee:

Kazan: as of 0.21 it will be able to

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Kazan:

well

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Kazan:

there is one thing that lvm does that storage groups can't i assume

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RyeBrye:

Yeah- make it so if one drive fails you are shit out of luck

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Kazan:

say you have 4GB free and you need 4GB for your recording

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Kazan:

but half that is in one storage group, and half of it is in the other...

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RyeBrye:

yeah, that wont work

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Kazan:

RyeBrye: one drive fails in either solution you're SOL

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RyeBrye:

No

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RyeBrye:

Not true

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RyeBrye:

One drive fails in a storage group, and you don't lose stuff on other drives

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RyeBrye:

One drive fails in an LVM

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RyeBrye:

the drives that don't fail go bye bye

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gbee:

Kazan: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Storage_Groups

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RyeBrye:

trout me

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RyeBrye:

woops

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RyeBrye:

!trout me

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gbee:

the storage groups code is pretty cool really, but it's a little difficult to explain the full power of them here

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gbee:

well not difficult, I just mean that it's late and I can't be bothered ;)

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tcpsyn:

eh? storage groups eh.

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Kazan:

!trout storage groups

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** MythLogBot slaps storage with a groups trout on behalf of Kazan... **

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Kazan:

lol that didn't work

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RyeBrye:

!trout "storage groups" split-word

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** MythLogBot slaps "storage with a groups" split-word trout on behalf of RyeBrye... **

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RyeBrye:

wtf?

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!trout MythLogBot 'messed up'

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blackest:

anyone got a slave backend working ?

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Aval0n:

juski around?

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laga:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

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Aval0n:

thnx

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Aval0n:

:)

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laga:

:)

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Kazan:

anyone know of any nes emulators for linux.. i know of zsnes for snes .. but... nes?

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