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Saturday, August 11th, 2007, 00:01 UTC
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[00:03:05] Dagmar: Sounds like someone wanted to watch something while the tuner was recording and when the interface gave them the option to abort the recording they took it
[00:04:10] mcquaid: no she wasn't in the room, but had a live recording paused
[00:04:36] mcquaid: i notice the first time you get taht prompt, the default is to record the scheduled program
[00:05:05] mcquaid: but if your watching a scheduled recording and another recording immediately follows it, it defaults to continue watching and not go to the next recording
[00:05:40] mcquaid: when there is no conflict between the two. there isn't an option, record in the background the scheduled recording and let me continue watching this previous recording
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[00:06:20] mcquaid: regardless though, I'd like to make it always default to record the scheduled recording, i don't see anything in the options regarding those defaults
[00:07:11] mcquaid: are there any options to change the behaviour of the 'in 30 seconds..' warnings?
[00:07:37] Aval0n: hey guys I need some advice
[00:08:02] Paladine: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3169449#post3169449 <- that sound like a sensible setup to you guys?
[00:08:16] Aval0n: I'm planning on using 3 tuners, a KWorld ATSC 115 for HDTV, and 2 pvr 150s. Is there a recommended splitter for splitting the coax 3 ways?
[00:08:21] Aval0n: I'm just using analog cable
[00:08:29] Aval0n: plus the QAM that I can get digitally with the kworld
[00:08:47] Aval0n: maybe like an amplified distributor or something?
[00:10:18] fryfrog: yes, a 3 way splitter
[00:11:18] mcquaid: a 3 way splitter?!... do they make such a thing? ;)
[00:11:37] fryfrog: no, you have to buy a 4 way... then return 1/4th of it
[00:11:55] Aval0n: non amplified 4 way splitter?
[00:12:09] mcquaid: heh
[00:12:15] Aval0n: do you really need to terminate unused connectors?
[00:12:19] fryfrog: or you could buy a 9 way and return uh, 2/3rds of it?
[00:12:21] Aval0n: or does it not batter
[00:12:49] mcquaid: yes it's a must to terminate the fourth connector
[00:13:01] Aval0n: stops another 7db loss?
[00:13:32] Dagmar: Signal leaks out the little hole.  ;)
[00:14:49] mcquaid: man, your head must be buffed to a shine with all those things that fly overhead
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[00:15:39] mcquaid: we're just kidding with ya. get a 3 way splitter, if you think the signal is weak as a result, get a booster and put it in front of the 3 way
[00:16:23] Dagmar: mcquaid: haha
[00:16:47] JackStorm: <homer>Mmmmmmmm, 3 ways</homer>
[00:17:41] Aval0n: mcquaid so is it really needed
[00:17:46] Aval0n: or are you just messing with me
[00:17:58] Aval0n: I've heard some ppl say it stops 7db loss or 3.5 whatever
[00:18:01] mcquaid: we were joking hence the numerous ;)
[00:18:06] Aval0n: but then I've heard it doesnt
[00:18:09] mcquaid: just get the splitter and you should be fine
[00:18:21] Aval0n: I know it will work without it
[00:18:30] Aval0n: but I have a very tempermental cable modem
[00:18:55] Aval0n: that likes to drops connection when the signal gets to low.
[00:20:11] mcquaid: hmm, never heard of a splitter interfering/degrading a cable internet connection
[00:20:25] mcquaid: risk the 99 cents and get the splitter and see, it probably won't
[00:21:56] Dagmar: If it's already borderline, a splitter will probably keep it from working at all
[00:22:15] Dagmar: Usualyl you can call the cable company and get them to fix that up for free, provided you don't already have more than 3–4 connections in the house
[00:23:24] Aval0n: 99 cents?
[00:23:40] Aval0n: if I got a 99 cent splitter the cable modem might not even work
[00:23:47] Aval0n: I doubt it would split the right frequencies :)
[00:23:57] Dagmar: Hey that looks like a joke.  :)
[00:24:09] mcquaid: heh
[00:24:10] Dagmar: A good one, too.
[00:24:30] Aval0n: :)
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[00:43:02] Paladine: hey dagmar, say I was running a 250GB storage array for 3 mythtv feeds, would it be possible to script mythtv to automatically set cutpoints for the commercials, transcode to mpeg4 cutting the commercials in the process and then move the resulting video to an nfs archive if the free space reaches a certain threshold?
[00:43:49] Dagmar: 1. if you wrote some shell scripts
[00:44:05] Dagmar: ...and 2. if you linked the commflagger against libfatpsychiclady.so.3
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[00:44:17] Dagmar: Do not count on the commflagger to get things right
[00:44:20] Paladine: lol
[00:44:50] Dagmar: Stuff that I cut the commercials out gets immediately moved into mythvideo's purview for me
[00:44:59] Paladine: I saw something on the wiki about making transcode honour the commflags
[00:45:15] Dagmar: Yeah that's more or less the way it's set up to work
[00:45:38] Dagmar: The "high quality" option is the one I usually use, since it does the least amount of file diddling it can get away with
[00:45:39] kusznir: Hi all: I've got a PVR-500, and my recordings are coming out with the top 2 or so lines flickering with a blue on the top. This wasn't always this way, but I don't know what changed (or even when) to cause this.
[00:45:40] Paladine: but can I script mytharchive from the cli?
[00:45:44] kusznir: (My wife is the primary user :) )
[00:46:10] Dagmar: There's still some one-off bugs in teh cutlist editor tho, so I generally check and try to fix the cutpoints, transcode to cut out the commercials, and THEN watch it
[00:46:35] Dagmar: ...so that I can redit a new cutlist to remove the 2–3 frames of crap that creep in because the editor isn't working quite like it should
[00:46:35] Paladine: yeah I am thinking more for archiving purposes at the moment
[00:46:53] Paladine: soi wouldwant it to be automated
[00:47:08] Paladine: the fewer 73GB scsi drives I have to buy, the better
[00:47:11] Paladine: they ain't cheap
[00:47:23] Dagmar: Just buy two 500Gb SATA drives
[00:47:38] Dagmar: They're like $110 each now
[00:47:40] Paladine: the server I planning to move mythbackend to doesn't have sata
[00:47:50] Dagmar: Does it have a decent PCI slot?
[00:47:52] Paladine: the archive nfs store will be 2TB of SATA II
[00:48:09] Paladine: yeah but the decent pci slots will be taken up by 3x pvr250s
[00:48:20] Dagmar: No, they won't.
[00:48:24] Dagmar: Not unless you're mad.
[00:48:29] Dagmar: The 250 is osbolete.
[00:48:36] Dagmar: The 150 replaced it a while back
[00:48:53] Paladine: I thought it was the other way round?
[00:48:59] Dagmar: Nope
[00:49:14] kusznir: And if you're buying them, might as well buy a 500, as that includes 2 150's on a single card.
[00:49:15] Dagmar: I'd say just get two PVR-500's if you really want three tuners
[00:49:18] Dagmar: Yep
[00:49:29] Dagmar: I am fine with just one PVR-500
[00:49:39] kusznir: That's what I run.
[00:49:52] Dagmar: I'm guessing he's planning on having two frontends tho
[00:50:02] Paladine: 4
[00:50:14] Dagmar: $(no_of_frontends)+1 is a good way to pick the numebr of tuner cards you want
[00:50:14] Paladine: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3169449#post3169449 <- thats what I am initially thinking
[00:50:22] Paladine: but I would like to reduce the number of scsi drives
[00:50:44] Dagmar: Don't emulate his hardware
[00:51:01] Dagmar: That's meant for a server that would go into a datacenter and do important db stuff where a failure could kill the business
[00:51:09] Dagmar: ECC ram ferinstance, you don't need
[00:51:14] kusznir: There really isn't any need for SCSI. I run regular PATA without issue.
[00:51:38] Paladine: Dagmar, I already have the ECC RAM
[00:51:45] Paladine: that is my hardware
[00:51:50] Paladine: Beamerboy = Me
[00:51:53] Dagmar: The *sad* thing is that my desktop devel box that I use is more powerful by far than his rig, and I guarantee you I didn't pay $2k for it
[00:51:54] Dagmar: Ahhh
[00:52:24] Paladine: but I need to get the important services off my desktop
[00:52:24] Dagmar: You may find it's cost-effective to just spend $25 on a SATA controller and get a SATA drive over the SCSI
[00:52:59] Dagmar: How much work is your courier+postfix and apache stuff doing?
[00:53:00] Paladine: well thats an option too
[00:53:20] Dagmar: Apache and MySQL are both pretty much par for the course with Myth
[00:53:34] Paladine: apacheis reasonably busy but not corporate level and postfix+courier is not too bad at all
[00:53:42] Dagmar: ...you might not like say, your personal email being able to screw up your TV watching tho
[00:54:05] Paladine: naah my mail server isnot busy enough to cause performance issues
[00:54:12] Dagmar: With the recordings being about 2.2Gb per hour, 60 dyas is a bit of a biter to manage
[00:54:23] Paladine: I run mythbackend, frontend, apache, mysql, postfix+courier on the ame machine at the moment
[00:54:24] Dagmar: Mainly the thing will just delete shows when it starts running low on space
[00:54:44] Paladine: yeah 60 days was a ballpark figure
[00:54:47] kusznir: If you're only running a backend on this box (not using it as a frontend), things should be fine.
[00:55:03] Paladine: ideally I would like it to archive once free space reaches a threshold as opposed to on a timed basis
[00:55:32] kusznir: Although I would recommend sticking the SATA on the server directly.
[00:55:52] ** kormoc resists the urge to wonder why Paladine would run both postfix and courier on the same box... **
[00:56:13] Paladine: my concern with getting a sata controller is whether or not it will effect the pci buss if all 3 capture cards are working at once
[00:56:15] GreyFoxx: kormoc: courier for imap/pop , postfix for smtp
[00:56:32] kusznir: (and in place of the SCSI, really....At my work we're moving a lot of our network file servers that serve 500+ users over to SATA from SCSI, as the performance difference isn't big enough to offset the cost.
[00:56:36] Paladine: yes courier for imap and postfix for smtp
[00:56:40] GreyFoxx: courier as an mta I find lacking
[00:57:01] kormoc: GreyFoxx, fair 'nuff. I've often found that it was a tad overkill *shrugs*
[00:57:01] kusznir: If you're using PVR capture cards, the bandwith they consume is fairly small.
[00:57:17] kusznir: And your SCSI interfaces are on the PCI bus too (even if they're onboard)
[00:57:46] kormoc: but then again, I'm really lazy
[00:58:06] GreyFoxx: heh
[00:58:23] kormoc: I figure might as well just configure one software package for the whole shebang
[00:59:37] kusznir: If you're ok with spending $$ (which it appears by your proposed investment in SCSI drives), drop in a 3ware hardware SATA RAID card and some SATA drives.
[00:59:38] GreyFoxx: not much beats postfix for my uses
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[00:59:58] GreyFoxx: and for imap/pop3 It's a tossup for me between dovecot and courier
[01:00:14] Paladine: courier was easier to configure than dovecot :)
[01:00:48] GreyFoxx: I wouldn't use that to make my choice
[01:00:56] GreyFoxx: I run both in different places
[01:01:07] GreyFoxx: dovecot is better for larger mailspools
[01:01:18] kusznir: Oh, and I suspect you've thought of this, but just in case...packing as many disk drives as you spec'ed out into one case can be hard...I've found with more than about 4 disks, its easy to start having problems (espicially thermal). I've got one box running 7 disks at the moment (full tower) and its appears to be stable, but I had to put a large PSU and several fans in it.
[01:01:50] Paladine: kusznir, I already customised the case for cooling
[01:02:01] Paladine: and I have 12 3.5" bays
[01:02:51] kusznir: Cool. Don't forget the PSU, and pay attention to bus limits....drives can load down the +12 bus pretty easily, and many PSUs focus on the +5 bus, and have relatively low current available on the 12 bus.
[01:03:38] kusznir: So, anyone have any suggestions on my 2 distorted lines at the top of my programs?
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[01:04:17] GreyFoxx: kusznir: a couple lines of black and white noise looking stuff ?
[01:04:40] kusznir: one line of blue, one of black with some white noise on it and the line below.
[01:04:43] Paladine: if I go with twin pvr500s (not cost efficient compared to 3x 150s) I could use one pci for gigE NIC, one for SATA Controller so it is doab;e
[01:04:50] kusznir: PVR-500 tuner.
[01:05:11] GreyFoxx: kuz: the black and white lines are normal vbi/transmission data and are always present
[01:05:23] GreyFoxx: your just use to your TV overscanning the video so it's outside your visual area
[01:05:24] kusznir: Paladine: you also get 4 tuners vs 3.
[01:05:48] Paladine: yeah but we discussed this earlier and it was decided 4 feeds is overkill
[01:05:52] GreyFoxx: turn up your TVout overscan until they are past the edges of your visible screen :)
[01:06:03] kusznir: GreyFoxx: Ok. I seem to recall them showing up not to long ago.
[01:06:15] GreyFoxx: the blue is likely just an alignment issue and you are seeing 1 line fo the XV blue background bleeding through
[01:06:27] kusznir: One of my frontends is windowed on a desktop :(
[01:06:29] mcquaid: grr, mythtv missed my second scheduled recording while i was watching my first scheduled recording from live tv
[01:06:29] GreyFoxx: you can fix that with the tool xvattr and make the xv background black insteead
[01:06:37] mcquaid: is there anyway to change that?
[01:06:44] Paladine: its gonna turn out spending some cash to do this anyway, since I will need to buy 3 Sky Control boxes too, which is another £120
[01:07:02] Paladine: well actually I will only need to buy 2 cos I have one already
[01:07:30] ** GreyFoxx goes to watch something **
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[01:27:58] Travis: I have an older computer that I use as a mythtv frontend only, I don't really want to put a hard drive in it
[01:28:07] Travis: is there anything else I can use instead?
[01:28:18] Travis: besides like a netboot
[01:33:18] mikeones: Travis: you could run it off the KnoppMyth live cd
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[01:42:33] JackStorm: Travis: USB flash drive
[01:43:14] JackStorm: and then there is SD,CF,Sony...depends on what you have and what you need
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[01:48:05] tank-man: Travis, any boot method linux supports, you can use
[01:51:14] Travis: it's an older 700Mhz Celeron box with 512mb of ram
[01:51:27] Travis: so it's not super powerful and the boot options in the bios are limited
[01:51:39] Grecko: I'm gonna ask an OT question again just cause you guys answered the last one so well :) I've got a 4 ohm stereo amp that I use the left channel of to power my main sub. I've now got a second sub, 3ohms, of which I have no clue the power rating, but I know its less than my main sub. If I were to hook it up to the right channel of the amp, at 4ohms, and balance the signal to being more on the left (main) sub and less on this sub, whats
[01:54:59] Grecko: Ok, its a 100W sub
[01:59:01] kormoc: Grecko, you should get around 75 watts out of it at 4 ohms
[02:00:15] kormoc: Grecko, ohms is a measurement of resistance, watts = (voltage ^ 2) / resistance in ohms, or 100 = (x^2)/3, solve for X, you get ~ 17, plug in 17 with 4 ohms and you get around 75 watts of output power
[02:01:24] Grecko: kormoc: Do I run any risk of damaging the amp or the main sub?
[02:01:34] kormoc: sub yes, amp no
[02:01:50] kormoc: you'd need to keep the sub below 75 watts of output, as that's what it's rated for
[02:02:03] Grecko: But the other sub thats connected to its second channel, won't be affected?
[02:02:24] kormoc: depends on the amp, but most that should happen is the other one is under-driven as well
[02:02:32] Grecko: Ok.
[02:02:57] Grecko: So I need to get a second amp if I want to keep my current sub at its highest levels while adding this second sub.
[02:03:25] kormoc: keep in mind, this is just stuff from my memory, so might want to do some research on your end
[02:03:47] Grecko: I've done some, most of what google pulls up on the subject is a flame war between two people on various different forums :(
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[02:05:00] Grecko: Bass sounds wonderful in the main seats (sub sits right behind them, you feel as much as you hear.
[02:05:12] Grecko: But in the second set of seats off to the side, bass isn't so good.
[02:05:28] kormoc: Grecko, if you really want a pro to answer, I'd suggest calling a mcintosh reseller and ask them, they've been really helpful in the past for me, even tho I don't own any of their equipment
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[02:05:44] Grecko: Yeah, I probably should do that.
[02:05:50] voltagex: any OS X users here? I just compiled Myth SVN but I'm getting no audio from the frontend. I see Opening NULL audio device
[02:05:54] Grecko: Thanks though.
[02:05:59] kormoc: g'luck
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[02:17:06] JackStorm: ok I give up, how to you tell myth not to touch the mixer?
[02:17:10] Travis: ok heres one I have a 800w pioneer 5.1 system, I want to get another sub, identical model (for under the couch)
[02:17:42] Travis: if I hook both up to the sub-out will they both run the same power etc.
[02:18:06] Travis: right now I only have one sub, connect to the sub out
[02:18:15] Travis: unpowered
[02:18:50] kormoc: Travis, same ohm and voltage, half the wattage
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[02:23:23] JackStorm: Travis: unpowered? no
[02:33:41] kusznir: JackStorm: there's an option under setup that is just that. Its by the default volumes setting; I think its under one of the General. I don't remember by default.
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[03:02:40] Paladine: http://www.pacemicro.com/corporate/products/p . . . IC-Multiroom <- you guys seen this?
[03:02:56] Paladine: itis rumoured sky in the UK will be releasing these beginning of 2008
[03:06:50] kusznir: I read an article somewhere recently (I forget where) that FCC regulations require US cable companies to support 3rd party / privately owned digital tuners complete with program guide feeds and the such. The details of the article indicated this was complete support including HDTV and all channels the subscriber is entitled to. This is supposed to be done in the form of a smart card.
[03:07:59] kusznir: The article went on to say that in their tests, it took a while to get someone at the local cable company who knew anything about it, but they did eventually provide such a card and service. The article was written with a focus on "digital cable-ready HDTVs" with their own on-screen guide and such, but at the end mentioned its also works fine with PC tuner cards.
[03:08:42] kusznir: So, I was wondering if anyone in the US has sucessfully done this (gotten full HDTV cable from their cable provider into a tuner card — including channels like DiscoveryHD, which are normally encrypted)
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[03:26:15] tank-man: the jerk answer is "ask your senator" :)
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[03:46:03] JackStorm: kusznir: not here, as we are cable card v1 and not v2
[03:46:52] JackStorm: kusznir: and back to my question, hours ago ...that doesn't help, it keeps the OSS mixer the same but not the ALSA mixer
[03:48:21] JackStorm: kusznir: and cable card specs require key security, thats what Vista 32bit will never have drivers for it, and Vista 64bit will
[03:49:58] JackStorm: meaning DOCSIS doesn't want you snooping for the keys, and Linux support in a card will be limited unless the card has cablecard built in, and does direct io to the video interface that does HDMI out
[03:53:04] JackStorm: this all falls back on to DCMA
[03:54:14] JackStorm: adn then in the US, there are state laws to deal with
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[03:56:13] JackStorm: like here, schedulesdirect.org, is technically illegal here, depending one what you are currently paying for.
[03:56:50] kusznir: Drat...I thought it would end up like the hdtv-style tuners: stick the card in, tune to a channel, and read an MPEG stream....
[03:57:44] kusznir: in my experience, myth doesn't mess with ALSA mixers unless you specify the ALSA:default or something like that in the mixer field.
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[03:57:53] JackStorm: kusznir: the problem is the key system
[03:58:07] kusznir: Arn't the keys stored on the card?
[03:58:18] kusznir: Or the key-generating algorithm, anyway?
[03:58:30] JackStorm: kusznir: no, they are downloaded from the headend
[03:59:31] JackStorm: part of the key is the "HMAC" on the cable card, then there is the cable company key....think breaking WPA
[04:00:07] kusznir: Ok, so can't the card deal with all the key stuff internally (i.e., not exposed through any interface), so it functions like a black box delivering video?
[04:00:09] JackStorm: if you can trap the key exchange, and log it, you can do anything.
[04:00:45] kusznir: (delivering unencrypted video)? Or is that the big problem: that the video can't be decrypted except by the display?
[04:01:24] JackStorm: kusznir: that requires a single slot QAM card and DES/DCII hardware, that follows HDMI keys
[04:02:25] kusznir: If its that easy to break, it would also seem easy then for someone to make their own tuner and capture a key exchange from someone else, as cable is a shared medium.
[04:02:42] JackStorm: kusznir: nod, or that cable co's don't/can't (more on can't) key code what you get, sans on demand.
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[04:03:03] JackStorm: (and my cable co is working to go on demand for everything)
[04:03:47] kusznir: I guess I don't follow why that (the DES/DCII hardware message) would be a problem....Or is it just a legal/DCMA problem?
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[04:04:58] JackStorm: it's a DCMA issue, plus to write the drivers they need to be closed source, else you could find a way to insert keys of your own to test.
[04:06:45] JackStorm: Direct TiVo's save the encrypted stream to disk, when you play back it goes via your card ...in a PC who controls the interface layer? the OS Manuf
[04:07:08] JackStorm: in this case with Linux it's us, it boils down to they don't trust us
[04:07:37] kusznir: Ok, so in a system working "as designed", the actual decryption would be taking place in the display device through HDMI-type encryption/decryption. To move the decryption elsewhere would break DCMA regulation. To support the monitor key exchange would present a trust issue in open source products.
[04:07:57] kusznir: I guess I
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[04:08:32] JackStorm: kusznir: yes
[04:08:56] kusznir: I'm not completely sold on why the key process for the display device has to be interactive....I thought the HDMI encryption stuff is also used on DVDs, which are "offline devices", talking to HDTV's via HDMI, which are also offline devices. Or, in this case, are the keys stored on the DVD?
[04:09:04] JackStorm: and that would leave no OSD for myth, as to do that it needs a clear sig
[04:09:22] kusznir: (DVDs in this context would be "blu-ray" I believe)
[04:11:02] kusznir: I guess there would still need to be a key exchange between the HDMI display and the source device, and in the case of a PC, that would be the OS.....
[04:11:17] JackStorm: hdmi, is a peer to end exchange system, ie: the dvd player sends an ack packet to the tv, the tv resonds with it's public key (but private to each device), the hdmi output takes that key and encodes the data out ..
[04:12:25] kusznir: Someone needs to find a hack for it, like they did for CSS :) (and then maybe DCMA people will learn: don't support linux, hacking will ensue.......)
[04:12:45] JackStorm: and with bluray, they learned from CSS, and now can expire keys
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[04:13:38] JackStorm: I really don't care I pay for what I get, and get what I pay for
[04:13:55] JackStorm: but I can also understand the other side of it
[04:14:46] kusznir: I paid for a movie, I want to be able to watch the movie. If my hardware is technically capable, it should play it. Administrative problems like key control should not prevent me from watching content I have paid for.
[04:14:48] JackStorm: and I have a 3rd side to it: schedulesdirect.org, is technically illegal here
[04:14:57] kusznir: How so?
[04:15:01] ocgltd: Dev question: I want to modify Myth source that handles detection if PC woken up by ACPI or manually by user. In particular, I want to added detection if wakeup +/-5 min of mythfilldatabase time, then assume ACPI wakeup. Anyone know where exactly that code is?
[04:15:45] JackStorm: state law protects me from having to pay for the samew service/data content more than once.
[04:16:04] kusznir: Same thing goes for cable/sat sources: I'm paying for the programming, just give me the unencrypted stream out of whatever black box you want to give me as part of my service agreement. Let me do with the content as I please (any DVR, etc).
[04:16:30] kusznir: So are you receiving cable/sat service, then? (something with EPG embedded in your feed)?
[04:16:48] JackStorm: kusznir: yes, from TMS
[04:17:50] kusznir: I wonder if a legal case could be made that its different, as your provider isn't providing downloadable XML files (or whatever form schedulesdirect is using)
[04:17:56] JackStorm: paid for once from a source, extras are free, repayment is extortion.. French Law
[04:18:53] kusznir: On the other hand, along with the thread I started, I'd like to see better integration with digital cable. (and ideally digital sat service). If that were possible, it would be possible to extract guide data from the wire and not have to pay for it again.
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[04:19:46] JackStorm: but how would you deal with mid day, early day, late day updates?
[04:20:07] JackStorm: listings need to be a push source
[04:20:58] kusznir: They're streaming the data continously. Based on observations on different equipment, it appears the more distant the listing, the less frequently it is retransmitted. A simple, inefficient method would just be to listen to the stream and compare what's received to the stored data and update if necessary.
[04:22:08] kusznir: Perhaps there's more data in the stream, like an update count or some other easy, quick way to to tell without doing a db hit. Or maby the "grabber" only listens periodically. However, it seems like you can get as current of information as the provider has available.
[04:24:22] kusznir: I'm also curious as to the content in ATSC(write acronym?) HDTV signals...I know there's guide data for the current program in the data stream, but is there future data as well?
[04:25:09] JackStorm: HD EPG, sucks here, it locks up my receiver
[04:25:45] JackStorm: and cable? I bet it's at 54Mhz or around there, no cards can get that.
[04:26:20] kusznir: Granted, I don't know/have the detals of the protocols involved....What I do know is in the case of a STB, it has all it needs to perform guide data that appears it would be sufficient for myth functions. how it gets there, I don't know...
[04:26:34] JackStorm: and here I know for a fact that EPG is a push tech, means it's signed.
[04:28:28] kusznir: Why is that a problem? Or do you mean encrypted?
[04:28:48] JackStorm: encrypted
[04:28:55] JackStorm: even locals are encrypted
[04:29:14] mchou: JackStorm: where is this?
[04:29:19] kusznir: ok. Well, it goes back to my initial line of questions/thoughts......
[04:29:28] JackStorm: mchou: New Orleans
[04:29:35] mchou: JackStorm: lol
[04:29:57] mchou: JackStorm: NOLA has bigger fish to worry about than cable
[04:29:59] JackStorm: and analog on a digital STB is on demand too.
[04:30:33] JackStorm: mchou: we where 2nd roll out for @Home....cox tests new tech here
[04:30:37] mchou: JackStorm: How do you know for sure locals are encrypted?
[04:31:04] JackStorm: mchou: my HD QAM/VSB card said so
[04:31:11] mchou: JackStorm: lol
[04:31:19] mchou: JackStorm: that doesnt fly
[04:31:51] JackStorm: PPVOD is in the clear, everything else is not
[04:32:10] kusznir: I don't think that's legal.
[04:32:30] mchou: JackStorm: I'm almost certain that's a misconfiguration/HW issue on your end re QAM card
[04:32:32] kusznir: As I recall, there are FCC regs requiring OTA stations to be in the clear on cable networks.
[04:32:43] mchou: kusznir: yup.
[04:33:15] kusznir: And that require cable STBs to provide OTA stations on the firewire unencrypted.
[04:33:17] mchou: and if someone in NOLA makes noise to the feds, they'll definitely do something about that
[04:33:33] JackStorm: not here, because of monies payed
[04:33:45] mchou: cause the govt cant afford any more PO'ed ppl in NOLA
[04:33:53] mchou: or riots WILL break out
[04:34:08] JackStorm: NBC HD here is only avail on DirectTV
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[04:34:31] mchou: NOLA may be corrupt, but they arent stupid corrupt
[04:34:57] kusznir: what does NOLA stand for?
[04:34:59] JackStorm: mchou: it's org contracts dating back to French Law
[04:35:16] mchou: kusznir: new orleans, LA
[04:35:16] JackStorm: New Orleans, Louisiana
[04:35:35] kusznir: Oh, ok.
[04:36:10] clever: 2007-08–10 23:35:17.027 wtf im the master server yet im connecting to the master
[04:36:13] clever: 2007-08–10 23:35:17.091 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.60:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[04:36:23] mchou: FCC trumps French Law :)
[04:36:27] clever: that just came out of the master backend at .60
[04:36:40] JackStorm: mchou: after I get this box stable I'm going to bring it to my moms and test Time Warner, and then to a friends and test Charter, and see.
[04:37:02] kusznir: clever: The frontend and backend are always seperate. If they're on the same box, the frontend still connects to the backend.
[04:37:05] mchou: JackStorm: there is almost no need to do that
[04:37:29] JackStorm: mchou: not per US Fed Law, else we wouldn't be paying $1T+ each year to the feds for offshore
[04:37:34] mchou: JackStorm: just get a STB from cableco, see if firewire is "clear" on locals
[04:38:09] JackStorm: no firewire boxen, unless I want a DVR
[04:38:23] JackStorm: plus 5.95 per month
[04:38:28] mchou: JackStorm: no, that's goes against FCC rules too
[04:39:01] mchou: firewire must be provided per user request (they are allowed to charge)
[04:39:37] mchou: NOLA might be screwed up by french law but it aint THAT screwed up.
[04:39:50] JackStorm: yeah, firewire is on some of the HD DVR boxen, for thats 5.95 for the box+ 15.00 for HD
[04:40:19] mchou: JackStorm: no, you dont need to subscribe to HD to get Firewire, also part of FCC law
[04:40:41] mchou: just need to be subscribed to a basic lvl of service
[04:41:05] mchou: JackStorm: I strongly suggest you read the relevant FCC codes on this
[04:41:50] mchou: part of the reason your cableco is getting away with this is ppl in NOLA are ignorant :)
[04:42:01] JackStorm: I have, but I'm also under a post dated contract.
[04:42:24] mchou: post dated by whom?
[04:42:50] JackStorm: my activation data, rates have changed
[04:43:09] mchou: JackStorm: I dont understand what you mean.....
[04:43:19] mchou: activation data?
[04:43:24] mchou: wtf is that?
[04:43:29] JackStorm: ie: state franchise laws
[04:44:07] mchou: cablecos are ont state franchises. They are usually city
[04:44:12] mchou: not*
[04:44:32] mchou: maybe count, in certain instances
[04:44:37] JackStorm: here they are state, and the city bids.
[04:44:50] mchou: and franchise contracts DO NOT trump FCC
[04:45:04] JackStorm: as most of LA is unincorporated
[04:45:13] mchou: regardless whether it's state/city/whatever
[04:46:16] mchou: JackStorm: sounds like NOLA residents should stir up yet another shitstorm :)
[04:46:39] mchou: freaking USA needs another wakeup call
[04:46:41] JackStorm: I live in an unincorporated city, just west of New Orleans, and COX has some input from the parish, but most of it is state law going back to the 70's
[04:46:43] clever: kusznir: that was the master backend
[04:46:50] clever: kusznir: connecting to the master backend
[04:47:21] clever: kusznir: i run the front and backends in diff terminal windows so i can see which it comes from
[04:47:28] JackStorm: mchou: most don't because it's tied to state credit laws
[04:47:29] mchou: the bridge in MN is indicative of failed Republican "no tax" policies
[04:47:36] kusznir: clever: where did you see the log? Those messages appear to be generated by a frontend.
[04:47:50] clever: kusznir: this was from the master backend
[04:47:57] clever: in the terminal i ran mythbackend &
[04:48:05] mchou: fsckers trying to run stuff on the cheap
[04:48:22] mchou: bridge collapse aint no fluke
[04:49:22] JackStorm: mchou: no it's because of bad management at the local level, and they never filed under eisenhower interstate system
[04:50:19] mchou: JackStorm: dude, it's part of Interstate, which means shared responsibility betw. feds and local
[04:50:19] clever: kusznir: http://pastebin.ca/653213
[04:50:44] clever: kusznir: that bit of code compares master to current ip when in the function for connecting to the master
[04:51:03] clever: kusznir: it will only show that pasted msg if the master calls the function to connect to the master
[04:51:08] mchou: JackStorm: if both local and feds failed to maintain it then we are really in a sorry state
[04:51:24] JackStorm: mchou: and when the improvements came up for a vote where did the money go? Idaho?
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[04:52:18] kusznir: clever: I'm looking through my master backend logs, and I see no such messages. I do get that all the time on my frontends, though. sorry, no further info.
[04:52:24] JackStorm: mchou: flood protection here has been federal only since the 60's
[04:52:29] mchou: JackStorm: lol. that's my point exactly. It should never have come up for a vote in the first place. It's call tax whatever is necessary to keep it maintained
[04:53:05] clever: kusznir: when i check current tcp connections i can see the backend has connected to itself
[04:53:15] clever: and shortly after it begins a feedback loop and eats allcpu
[04:53:31] clever: and last week it made a 7gig log file when i left for camping
[04:53:52] mchou: clever: umm, how long did you go camping?
[04:54:05] clever: i wasnt even gone 24 hours when the log hit 7gig
[04:54:11] mchou: clever: lol
[04:54:28] mchou: clever: which log specifically?
[04:54:36] JackStorm: mchou: ok same point, for us, we have been fighting since the 60's for better flood protection, but every other state said no, our country roads need the money more
[04:54:46] clever: and that caused half my recordings to auto expire
[04:54:46] clever: i managed to restart the backend without logging from my pda
[04:54:56] clever: mythbackend -v socket,network > logfile
[04:54:57] clever: i beleive
[04:55:07] mchou: JackStorm: I'm not so sure NOLA deserves flood protection.
[04:55:29] clever: my pda has an ssh client and i can check on some basic stuff from it
[04:55:41] mchou: JackStorm: I mean NOLA will get hit by nasty hurricanes again and again, so what's the point?
[04:55:55] JackStorm: mchou: it's a major US port, and everyone forgets that, it is also the 2nd largest fishery in the US
[04:55:58] clever: i was able to delete the 7gig log file and restart the backend without logging
[04:56:01] mchou: JackStorm: it's almost as certain as death and taxes
[04:56:15] clever: kusznir: i beleive its http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3720
[04:56:40] JackStorm: mchou: also 37% of the heating oil/gas the NE uses in the winter comes out of here.
[04:56:51] mchou: JackStorm: yes, it's a major port. but nothing says we cant have some other port in the south
[04:57:29] JackStorm: mchou: ok, sure, find another Mississippi Outlet port.
[04:57:42] JackStorm: mchou: to take care of the heart land
[04:58:35] JackStorm: mchou: it is an important port, WCT4 is here.
[04:59:03] mchou: JackStorm: I'm not disagreeing that the port is IMPORTANT
[04:59:24] mchou: I'm just saying that the PORT doesnt need a city :)
[04:59:30] JackStorm: and the port exists because of the city
[04:59:41] JackStorm: where will everyone live?
[05:00:04] mchou: no, I think it's almost the other way around. the city exists because of the port
[05:00:52] mchou: it doesnt taht a whole city to staff the goddamn port
[05:00:58] mchou: take*
[05:01:35] kusznir: clever: Umm...You appear to know a lot more about this than I. Since nobody else is responding here, and you seem to be interested in patching, perhaps you should join #mythtv (the dev channel) and ask for advise on writing a patch to close that ticket.
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[05:02:22] clever: k
[05:02:27] JackStorm: mchou: true, but Michoud likes it here, and if it wasn't for the Bushes, Shell, Chevron, Amaco would still be here.
[05:03:39] JackStorm: mchou: and back to the moon, and mars need us as well, as all the few STS missions
[05:03:48] mchou: JackStorm: lol
[05:04:09] mchou: JackStorm: dont forget about the schoolteachers :)
[05:04:19] JackStorm: ohhh and BK, McD's need us in TN too :)
[05:05:05] JackStorm: mchou: you know that the external fuel tanks for the shuttle are made here, right?
[05:05:16] mchou: JackStorm: yup
[05:05:27] mchou: JackStorm: kaBOOM! :)
[05:06:05] mchou: JackStorm: I'm sure they can be made in TX :)
[05:06:19] mchou: not that TX deserves anything like that
[05:06:57] JackStorm: mchou: TX port property is all used up
[05:08:35] JackStorm: plus I'd hate to loose our Saturn 1 lift off booster
[05:11:23] JackStorm: mchou: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=30.023 . . . =19&om=1
[05:11:49] mchou: JackStorm: nice!
[05:12:14] mchou: I didnt know google maps had that kind of rez
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[05:12:41] TUplink1: i have added stuff to a playlist on recordings... how do i play the playlist?
[05:12:43] mchou: can almost see the ppl in the cars
[05:14:01] JackStorm: mchou: if you zoom out from the Sat1 on the right is the harbor for the EFT
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[05:17:51] mchou: JackStorm: you work for NASA, by any chance?
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[05:18:44] JackStorm: mchou: no, but I wish, I missed that with out thinking
[05:20:32] mchou: JackStorm: I went to clooege with the director of Mars rover mission
[05:20:38] mchou: college*
[05:21:41] JackStorm: mchou: sweet
[05:23:23] JackStorm: I had a job offer from stennis, to work out of michoud, but since I lived 5miles west of michoud and didn't want to drive to MS, and then back, and then back to MS to check out I passed on it :(
[05:23:40] mchou: JackStorm: lol
[05:23:44] JackStorm: well Lockheed at Stennis
[05:23:58] mchou: bah, Lockhhed is no NASA
[05:24:04] mchou: Lockheed*
[05:24:20] mchou: completely different cultures
[05:25:57] JackStorm: well now now Lockheed Martin Marietta, would have put me in to NASA, not as a employee of a contractor but an employee of NASA
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[05:27:13] mchou: JackStorm: really? That's surprising
[05:27:20] ** RyeBrye is suprised **
[05:27:33] JackStorm: it was part of the buy out
[05:28:01] mchou: huh? NASA bought out Martin?
[05:28:23] JackStorm: Martin Marietta would have had me in MS, and LA day to day, with in a launch window MS,LA,FL,TX
[05:28:35] JackStorm: no Lockheed did
[05:29:12] mchou: JackStorm: yeah, I know Lockheed bought out Martin, but how does Lockhhed become NASA?
[05:29:20] mchou: Lockheed*
[05:29:22] JackStorm: but there was one support contract that fell back to NASA after the buy out.
[05:29:40] mchou: JackStorm: ok, that makes a lil more sense
[05:31:31] JackStorm: so if I took the job and kept it my paychecks would have been NASA paychecks and not Martin now Lockheed
[05:31:56] mchou: JackStorm: yeah, no doubt
[05:32:12] JackStorm: it was an integration job
[05:32:19] mchou: JackStorm: provided Lokhhed/Martin wouldnt have laid you off first :)
[05:32:29] mchou: Lockheed*
[05:32:59] JackStorm: mchou: that they wouldn't have done
[05:33:24] mchou: JackStorm: really?
[05:33:34] floppyears: cool logo for schedules direct
[05:33:48] JackStorm: the "manager" was native american, and I am part...
[05:34:37] mchou: JackStorm: my friend who was a top rated guy who worked at Lockheed (Missiles & space) for >20 yrs., got pink slip last year.
[05:35:02] mchou: JackStorm: they fired the HR person responsibe and hired my friend back the next day :)
[05:35:16] JackStorm: mchou: ouch, and sweet
[05:35:21] mchou: responsible*
[05:35:35] JackStorm: hope he kept vacation hours
[05:36:03] mchou: different division at Lockheed. he said Missiles & Space was totally disorganized
[05:36:06] kusznir: Question: Does a "dual-tuner" ATSC card exist (i.e., something like the PVR-500, but for ATSC)? My googling so far hasn't been fruitful.
[05:36:29] mchou: JackStorm: yeah, kept everything. Lockheed apologized to hime or some such
[05:36:37] mchou: him*
[05:37:09] mchou: kusznir: they exist. but you'd be better off getting HDHomerun
[05:37:45] mchou: JackStorm: basically told him "pretend it never happened"
[05:37:52] mchou: JackStorm: lol
[05:38:01] JackStorm: mchou: nice
[05:38:14] JackStorm: mchou: it really is a cluster fuck, AirForce wants it all, Navy says BS, look who we put in to space.
[05:38:25] mchou: JackStorm: I dunno if I would have been so forgiving :)
[05:38:55] JackStorm: mchou: if I was married and had kids/or not kids, I would be
[05:40:41] mchou: JackStorm: lo, I forgot to mention, the dude bought a $1 mil house about one month before he got the pink slip from Lockheed
[05:41:01] JackStorm: ok, he's a prick
[05:41:03] JackStorm: :)
[05:41:15] mchou: JackStorm: and was about to get married (reason for buying the house)
[05:41:42] mchou: lol
[05:41:51] JackStorm: well not really, more and more $1 mil houses are showing up here, to displace the 5mill+ ones.
[05:42:26] mchou: JackStorm: no, $1 mil is price of entry here in Bay area. for that you basically get a fixer
[05:44:24] JackStorm: 1 mill for a 60x80x60x80?
[05:44:32] mchou: JackStorm: lol
[05:45:08] mchou: about 3500 sq ft.
[05:45:17] JackStorm: lot size
[05:46:03] mchou: well, not sure about his lot size. his lot is a bit bigger that most others in the neighborhood
[05:47:11] kusznir: Is an Athlon XP 2000+ sufficient for HD frontend?
[05:48:46] mchou: kusznir: depends. not enough if you use all SW decode
[05:48:47] JackStorm: mchou: 1.05mill gets you this here http://neworleans.yahoo.idx.prugard.com/detai . . . ice=10000000
[05:49:30] JackStorm: kusznir: and your output device
[05:50:31] kusznir: mchou: output device is currently a GeForce4 MX. My experiences with XvMC on this device have not been good, and I figure I should probably replace it with something with DVI out anyway.
[05:50:46] mchou: JackStorm: lol, 5000sq ft. I cant even imagine that much space
[05:51:09] kusznir: If I go with a "modern" nvidia, though, things should work OK for HD playback?
[05:51:36] mchou: JackStorm: you'd have to hire house staff just to keep the place clean :)
[05:51:48] mchou: kusznir: iffy
[05:52:10] mchou: kusznir: probably highly rez dependent
[05:52:14] JackStorm: mchou: :)
[05:52:40] mchou: kusznir: procs are cheap thses days
[05:52:55] mchou: upgrade the proc. you'd even save electricity :)
[05:53:16] mchou: get rid of the athlon toaster :)
[05:53:18] kusznir: I'm not sure the mobo can take a faster proc.
[05:53:25] kusznir: :)
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[05:54:24] mchou: A64 and C2D are much more energy efficient than the older procs
[05:54:30] kusznir: I run this system for my parents. My dad is looking at getting into HDTV, but its taken him this long to bite the bullet of the $1,000+ HDTV cost....he's already hesitant when I quoted ~$50 HD capture card + $50 new video card, which I see are both low...
[05:54:56] mchou: kusznir: nah, just get your dad PVR from cableco
[05:55:06] kusznir: Hmm...Maby I give him my A64 system....gives me an excuse to buy a new one :)
[05:55:26] mchou: kusznir: myth is a little iffy these days withe the EPG
[05:55:31] kusznir: They're doing a remote frontend thing too (2 frontends, one backend), and really like myth. espicially the commertial detection.
[05:55:52] mchou: kusznir: keep in mind if you go myth route, you also have to pay for epg
[05:56:09] kusznir: True. But it sounds like schedulesdirect is fixing things.
[05:56:40] mchou: kusznir: some ppl perfectly happy with Tivo (and using remote to skip commercials)
[05:57:10] mchou: kusznir: SD you will have to pay was what I was saying.
[05:58:10] mchou: kusznir: as much as I'm a fan of myth, the epg has always been the achilles' heel
[05:58:30] kusznir: I'll research those options too. The local cable co doesn't have HD (or at least, haven't convinced anyone of their competence in doing it). This would be OTA HD feeds. They currently get all their feeds from DirecTV.
[05:58:58] mchou: first there was xmltv and screen scraping, then zap2it with datadirect, and now SD
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[05:59:39] mchou: who knows how long SD will be around :)
[05:59:39] kusznir: Fortunately, I came into the myth world in the zap2it days (and I get the impression fairly early then, too).
[05:59:45] kusznir: :)
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[06:01:46] mchou: as much as I'd like to support SD, myth hobby has become too expensive compared with avaialble STBs
[06:01:59] mchou: available*
[06:02:14] kusznir: yea, I find that argument hard to defend, too.
[06:02:33] mchou: I mean I love commercial skip
[06:02:58] mchou: but I never archive to DVD like some ppl who use myth
[06:03:27] mchou: so using a STB instead wont be a big compromise
[06:03:35] Paladine: xmltv will still work though right? for those of us in the UK?
[06:03:35] mchou: for me
[06:03:55] mchou: Paladine: yeah, I think so
[06:05:59] mchou: I'm already paying cableco for use of firewire STB. might as well go the whole way and get the PVR from them too
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[06:17:13] floppyears: mchou: what's stb ?
[06:17:19] mchou: Wow, I just read on Groklaw the court ruled that Novell has unix copyrights
[06:17:26] mchou: Set top box
[06:17:31] floppyears: oh
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[06:18:11] mchou: I mean court has ruled Novell OWNS unix copyrights (and SCO does not)
[06:18:27] mchou: looks like SCO goose will be cooked soon
[06:21:47] juski: Paladine: UK users can rest easy. Only people in the USA/Canada who think MythTV will give them a cheap ride are in for disappointment
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[06:22:44] kusznir: $15/quarter isn't bad. If they achieve the $20/yr, that's pretty darn good, and beats all the DVR guide rates. Really, the costs are so low, I don't see much to complain about.
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[06:23:22] juski: it'd always be too much for some people. mythtv has never been about a free lunch though, and that fact seems to have been lost on quite a few people
[06:24:14] juski: muh I don't wanna pay $5 a month for a DVR from the cableco.. nah but they go out & spend $$$$ on PC hardware ;)
[06:25:03] doc|home: people aren't used to paying for tv listings, besides, it should be public information *anyway*. That it's not seems completely stupid :|
[06:25:13] doc|home: do these people want us to watch tv?
[06:26:15] juski: " people aren't used to paying for tv listings" huh.. hmm... how many folks subscribe to 'Tv Guide' then?
[06:26:20] mchou: juski: damn, you're stupid
[06:26:40] mchou: juski: STBs did not become viable until very recently
[06:26:49] juski: mchou: damn, you're on my ignore list. I can't be bothered with your bile today
[06:26:55] doc|home: juski: lots I suppose, but how many who were using mythtv paid for zap2it?
[06:27:01] mchou: myth was around way before pvrs were available from cableco
[06:27:22] mchou: juski: then STFU about "free ride"
[06:27:23] juski: the whiners will always whine. I'll just be glad when the whole sorry affair is over
[06:27:46] mchou: juski: it aint about a "free ride"
[06:27:50] doc|home: everyone's a whiner
[06:28:07] juski: yeah I whine about people whining
[06:28:10] doc|home: how does it make any sense that they don't make this publicly available?
[06:28:21] juski: because they can make money from it!
[06:28:22] mchou: juski is a whiner^2
[06:28:23] floppyears: ok, I'm willing to pay the $5 per month thing for the tv listings
[06:28:27] juski: thay can, and will, so they do
[06:28:37] floppyears: but how does paypal work ? I've never used it.
[06:28:43] mchou: juski whines about people who "whine"
[06:28:46] doc|home: that doesn't mean it will make any sense
[06:29:23] juski: doc|home: drug patents don't make much sense if you live in a developing country & need cheap treatment
[06:29:56] doc|home: juski: yes, they do. Drug patents give companies a few years to pay off the debts for r&d. What r&d is required to create tv listings?
[06:29:57] juski: it's capitalism. you guys invented it. deal with it
[06:30:14] floppyears: haha, good one juski
[06:30:19] doc|home: er, I think most people here weren't born when capitalism was invented....
[06:30:25] mchou: some tell juski to shut his s-hole
[06:30:33] mchou: a-hole*
[06:30:46] mchou: the dude can't be mire frigging clueless
[06:30:52] mchou: more*
[06:31:47] mchou: thinking some of using myth wanting a free ride is a frigging insult on our intelligence
[06:31:54] juski: so am I honestly to believe there's rampant socialism in the US now? Anyway it's kind of a pointless exercise talking about this because – you've got to pay, and that's the end of that chapter
[06:32:11] mchou: juski: exactly. then STFU
[06:32:17] doc|home: juski: why are you so sure everyone's in the US? I'm not.
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[06:32:22] doc|home: mchou: please, stop.
[06:32:36] doc|home: if you can't speak respectfully, please don't speak
[06:33:17] mchou: doc|home: dude, that dude juski is so frigging clueless he doesnt deserve any respect
[06:33:26] doc|home: be respectful anyway
[06:33:39] juski: mchou isn't capable of holding back. just leave him to it. he's been resident troll here for as long as I can remember and presumably because the occasional pearl of wisdom passes through the vitriol, he's allowed to stay
[06:34:02] mchou: not once did I imply I used myth because of a free ride. and juski jumps in with the free ride bullshit
[06:34:18] juski: people have certainly been banned for a lot less
[06:34:23] Paladine: hehe I don't need mythtv today, I can just watch the drama in here live ;)
[06:34:32] doc|home: mchou: then say that and say it clearly. That's not the impression I got since I joined
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[06:34:37] mchou: juski rides that war horse like it's going outta style
[06:35:10] mchou: doc|home: dude, if you haven't been here long enough ont assume anything
[06:35:12] juski: mchou: the world doesn't revolve around you. I wasn't talking about *you* when I said that
[06:35:31] doc|home: mchou: I've been here long enough to think you're a bigger idiot than juski. Was that your intention?
[06:35:42] mchou: I've been here way longer than juski and that guy is wrong on almost every single point
[06:35:42] pat_: how come every time I look at this channel lately mchou is arguing with someone
[06:35:47] doc|home: if not, then maybe you need to rethink your means of communication
[06:36:02] juski: pat_: because that's the way it is, that's why
[06:36:17] mchou: juski: I thought you were ignoring me?
[06:36:46] mchou: pat_: who did you see that I argue with lately besides Juski?
[06:37:36] mchou: juski: I dont care who you meant by "you." Your point was complete non sequiter
[06:38:05] mchou: juski: who mentioned "free ride" until you frigging mentioned it?
[06:38:23] juski: nobody here, but it's been all over the mailing lists, slashdot whines etc
[06:38:58] mchou: juski: and you mentioned CAPITALISM. and I'm telling you for soem of us STBs are a more competitive captalist alternative right now.
[06:39:40] mchou: juski: so go whine on the mail list and /. arebout freeloaders, not your non-sequiter BS here
[06:39:44] juski: and now you've just contradicted yourself rather expertly. it should never have been about saving money to use mythtv, because *that* is a fallacy
[06:40:36] mchou: juski: what are you, daft? saving money and competitive cant both exist at the same time?
[06:40:58] mchou: juski: you ever heard of the term "value proposition?"
[06:42:05] Paladine: this is cool I have Robot Wars on mythtv and then directly aboveiton the same monitor Ihave Geek Wars in xchat :)
[06:42:22] mchou: Paladine: juski aint no geek
[06:42:30] mchou: he is a geek wannabe
[06:42:42] Paladine: ooo fightin talk lol
[06:42:57] doc|home: mchou: seriously, stop being a dick.
[06:43:26] juski: I don't give a flying stuff what mchou thinks. whatever happens I won't resort to using petty insults anywhere near as fast as he does. I think that in itself speaks volumes about me
[06:44:13] mchou: juski: you just INSULTED us all when you implied we were freeloaders, ahole!
[06:44:19] doc|home: who are tms?
[06:44:27] mchou: juski: you still dont grok that?
[06:45:20] doc|home: are they the people who own zap2it?
[06:45:25] juski: doc|home: yes.
[06:45:35] juski: they effectively run the whole TV Guide data biz in the USA
[06:45:52] juski: not quite all of it, but damn near as good as all of it
[06:46:00] mchou: juski: wrong again. Gemstar owns TV Guide
[06:46:01] doc|home: so, they're stopping providing the data because people were abusing the data, but they're going to sell it to dd where it can also be abused?
[06:46:24] Paladine: well surely the US community can compile their own guide from other sources and set it up with xmltv?
[06:46:27] juski: mchou: yeah there's Gemstar, but they're not in the big league like TMS are
[06:47:04] mchou: juski: then stop using terms like TV Guide. How many times you got to shoot yourself in the foot???
[06:47:41] mchou: if that last statement by Juski didnt prove my point I dont know what will
[06:47:50] juski: I really can't be bothered with this now. tempted as I am to tell you how large an object to insert somewhere uncomfortable, I'll refrain & bid you goodbye, asshole
[06:48:05] mchou: juski: good riddance, and have a nice day
[06:48:24] juski: have fun
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[06:48:34] doc|home: excellent, you're both finished
[06:48:40] doc|home: so, is my assessment correct?
[06:49:14] mchou: good riddance to the clueless ahole
[06:49:42] pat_: "arguing on the internet is like winning in the special olympics, even if you win you're still a spastic"
[06:49:57] mchou: he just insulted us all and he claims he didn't resort to personal insults
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[06:50:23] doc|home: fucking drop it... he's gone now
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[06:51:12] mchou: doc|home: I'm making an exception in your case since you're obviously new here
[06:51:33] doc|home: an exception how?
[06:51:56] mchou: doc|home: talk to me like that once again and you better have some flame retardant
[06:52:12] doc|home: oh noes, not the flames
[06:53:48] Paladine: mchou, I don't care how long you have been coming here, it doesn't give you the right to behave like a 5 year old, you need to drop it take a chill pill and step away from the keyboard until you have put your brain ahead of your fingers
[06:55:29] mchou: Paladine: huh? I dont care how long I've been here either, but it helps that people who just joined dont busting a cap on the wrong people. (i.e. get a frigging cluestick first)
[06:55:45] mchou: start busting*
[06:56:15] doc|home: mchou: busting a cap?
[06:56:29] Paladine: mchou, it was bad enough that you insisted baiting juski until he finally left, then to turn on someone else who quite rightly picked you up on the fact that you should drop it because juski had left so it was pointless going on about, was just pathetic
[06:56:38] mchou: Paladine: the only reason I started flaming juski was he's been riding that freeloader war horse for the last week
[06:57:06] Paladine: I don't care, you have a problem, put him on ignore or take him to message
[06:57:07] doc|home: I came in here and you were arguing in a really bad way, I have no problem with a person pointing out mistakes when they're there, but you were just being a knobend.
[06:57:14] Paladine: -we- don't want to see your childish drivvle
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[06:57:38] mchou: Paladine: and I dont wanna see juski drivel
[06:57:43] mchou: so there
[06:57:47] Paladine: so use ignore
[06:57:51] Paladine: be a grown up
[06:58:15] mchou: Paladine: no, the object was to teach juski a lesson
[06:58:35] mchou: ignore would only have encouraged him with more freeloader BS
[06:58:41] Paladine: and the result was making yourself look like a complete idiot and making juski look like the more mature of the pair of you
[06:58:50] Aval0n: juski's gone and I still am seeing scroll about it
[06:58:55] Paladine: and even NOW you can't drop it
[06:59:19] mchou: Paladine: I dont drop it because you guys are still talking about it
[06:59:46] mchou: Paladine: so get a frigging clue
[06:59:56] mchou: it's a feedback loop
[07:00:02] Aval0n: ignore works pretty well on mchou
[07:00:05] Paladine: hehe and now you turn on me, wow you're making lots of friends today
[07:00:07] Aval0n: yay
[07:00:16] Paladine: I expect the ops will open a can of whoopass when they up
[07:00:44] mchou: the ops are right here.
[07:02:57] kusznir: Ok, another HD FE question: It was mentioned earlier that Athlon64 would do the trick. Would an Athlon64 3700+ do the trick? /proc/cpuinfo reports 1Ghz. (do the trick = sucessfully playback HD content using a decent video card like nvidia, enabling XvMC if necessary and stable/supported)
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[07:03:20] mchou: kusznir: I think even 3200+ will do tricks :)
[07:03:42] pat_: kusznir: the reason it reports 1GHz is cpu throttling
[07:05:13] kusznir: ahh..OK.
[07:05:35] kusznir: throttling just because CPU is idle, then?
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[07:08:58] doc|home: kusznir: yup
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[07:15:55] Nik_Doof: my 3200+ combied be/fe plays HD content without xvmc, so a 3700+ should be ok :)
[07:16:15] ShockValue: $15 for 3 months huh? i guess i can deal with that
[07:16:17] ** floppyears hopes to someday be able afford an hd tv and singal :( **
[07:17:09] Nik_Doof: i wish we had some HD content, only channel we've got is BBC HD and the only interesting thing we get on that is Heroes
[07:17:44] floppyears: so, I will be getting a 500GB hdd next week, and it's only for mythtv
[07:17:55] Paladine: Nik_Doof, what capture card you using for hdtv?
[07:17:56] floppyears: how do you guys suggest that I partition the hard drive ?
[07:18:24] ShockValue: what's it for? tv? videos? music?
[07:18:42] floppyears: tv, videos, maybe music and movies
[07:19:13] ShockValue: i have my "drive" partitioned up as /media then /media/tv /media/video /media/music etc
[07:19:27] ShockValue: but its all 1 big partition.. so its not "partitioned" per se
[07:19:41] mchou: floppyears: separate large files from small ones :)
[07:20:07] mchou: floppyears: video files are large
[07:20:15] mchou: everything else is small
[07:20:42] mchou: and those png video thumbnails just spoil it all for all of us
[07:20:45] floppyears: so is 10gb enough for ubuntu + apache + ssh ? or is it too much ?
[07:21:22] mchou: floppyears: nah, 10gb include /home sounds about right
[07:21:32] floppyears: ShockValue: what's the diff in /media/tv and /media/video
[07:21:36] clever: kusznir: i know how freq scaling works
[07:21:42] mchou: assuming you dont have too much in /home
[07:21:51] ShockValue: tv is recorded programs. video is "movies"
[07:22:12] mchou: ShockValue: baby asleep?
[07:22:22] clever: clever@laptop:/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq$ cat scaling_available_frequencies
[07:22:26] clever: 1000000 700000
[07:22:29] floppyears: ShockValue: are they usually the same size ?
[07:22:39] clever: kusznir: if you read that file youll see what freq's the cpu can run at
[07:22:40] ShockValue: yeah mom and baby crashed out.. im taking a quick break to have a beer before i crash
[07:22:50] clever: kusznir: mine has 700mhz and 1ghz
[07:22:54] floppyears: ShockValue: congrats on the baby
[07:23:16] clever: kusznir: if you have the proper program(powernowd in my case) running youll be in the lowest speed when idle
[07:23:33] clever: kusznir: and the program will increase the speed when needed
[07:23:41] kusznir: clever: I don't have available. I don't think I enabled cpu freq scaling with this system. I use it on my laptop, though.
[07:23:55] clever: what distro?
[07:23:58] kusznir: I get the impression that 1Ghz is max speed for this proc, but I thought it was supposed to be much faster.
[07:24:07] kusznir: FC7
[07:24:14] clever: ahh dont know for that
[07:24:21] clever: cd into /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq and ls to see what you have
[07:24:45] ShockValue: tv and music are about 500G used.. video is about 100G used.. the rest is insignificant (minus the pr0n, which i wont mention)
[07:25:07] clever: ShockValue: 5tb?:P
[07:25:15] ShockValue: woops.. -pr0n +teletubbies
[07:25:35] clever: lol
[07:25:48] mchou: haha!
[07:25:56] clever: my dad says if youget the cartoon network and the pron channel they put you on a list
[07:26:06] mchou: ShockValue: DUDE, THAT'S DISGUSTING PEDOPHILA
[07:26:08] floppyears: ShockValue: wow, what's your total hd space ?
[07:26:39] ShockValue: well, my total "storage" is about 1.3TB. plus i use a system drive in each box of about 40–80G
[07:27:07] clever: i keep most of my videos under /media/videos/`hostname`/
[07:27:16] ShockValue: clever: well I'm safe then. .I'd never /pay/ for pr0n
[07:27:17] clever: so i can spread it acrosss multiple hosts
[07:27:21] mchou: ShockValue: I've been meaning to ask you, how do you fit all your drives in one box and one PSU?
[07:27:49] floppyears: wow
[07:27:50] clever: and i just make a web of nfs mounts so that all videos can be seen by all hosts
[07:27:51] ShockValue: mchou: i didnt really. i have 2 drives hanging out the side, and an extra power supply for 50% of the the drives sitting on top of the case :)
[07:27:51] mchou: ShockValue: do you have staggered starts for your drives?
[07:28:05] clever: ShockValue: LOL
[07:28:15] ShockValue: well yeah, 50% start when i plug in 1 power supply. the other 50% when i turn on the machine :)
[07:28:25] clever: mchou: i had to manualy stager start my drives once on an old pc
[07:28:35] ShockValue: its a friggen mess.. im quite emberrased of it really.. but it works
[07:28:38] clever: mchou: one drive was in a drawer on the front and a key switch let me cut power to it
[07:28:53] clever: mchou: i just cut power to the drive when turning the systemon then put it back a sec latter
[07:29:04] mchou: ShockValue: you use these cases? http://www.svc.com/techstation-case.html
[07:29:33] mchou: ShockValue: :)
[07:29:33] floppyears: are there any disadvantages to keeping all the mythtv related stuff in 1 big partition ?
[07:29:38] clever: ive ran a system before without ANY case at all before
[07:29:40] ShockValue: lol yeah it kinda looks like that.. its just an old atx case with the sides taken off :)
[07:29:53] floppyears: I'm just afraid that I'll make partitions but later on I will need more space in one partition than another
[07:29:57] clever: motherboard sitting directly on the floor
[07:30:05] mchou: floppyears: google lvm :)
[07:30:19] clever: im using lvm:)
[07:30:25] floppyears: yes, I've heard about lvm, but how stable and reliable is it ?
[07:30:28] clever: its merging 2 hdd'sinto 1
[07:30:35] clever: its stable for me
[07:30:45] floppyears: any more opinions ?
[07:30:49] ShockValue: all my drives are raid5'd
[07:30:52] mchou: floppyears: very reliable if you have a good PSU and UPS :)
[07:31:00] clever: ShockValue: you can layer lvm over raid
[07:31:14] clever: ShockValue: then you can device that raid5 into multiple partitions
[07:31:21] ShockValue: i wouldnt mind so much if I lost any of my data.. except my music. if i lost that, i'd wander out into a field and shoot myself
[07:31:31] clever: lol
[07:31:37] clever: just rerip the cd's
[07:31:55] ShockValue: yes of course. 14000 songs reripping.. fun
[07:32:08] floppyears: hmm
[07:32:12] clever: ld on a sec:P
[07:32:30] clever: http://www.sentex.net/~mwandel/tech/changer.html
[07:32:36] clever: that will solve your problem
[07:32:43] floppyears: what about setting up lvm? how hard (meaning troublesome and effort on getting it just right) is it to setup ?
[07:32:44] clever: with that you can easily rip 5000 cd's
[07:33:00] ShockValue: problem is that my storage has outgrown my ability to back it up.. so im just praying i dont lose more than 1 drive at a time in the raid5
[07:33:10] clever: floppyears: just pvcreate all the partitions then vgcreate then lvcreate the virtual partitions
[07:33:31] clever: alot of the commands have error checking so its hardto mess up(enless you pvcreate/format a used partition)
[07:33:46] ShockValue: clever: lol.. i love woodworking and clothspins merged with computing :)
[07:33:51] clever: :D
[07:34:31] floppyears: how do you have your lvm's setup ?
[07:34:37] ShockValue: honestly though.. its stupid for me to have all these drives anyway.. i could just buy 4x500GB drives and be done with it, and gain 200GB in the process
[07:34:45] clever: ShockValue: watch the youtube vid embeded in it
[07:35:03] clever: floppyears: i have 3 partitions(1 on 1 drive and 2 on another) made into pv's(psysical volumes)
[07:35:13] clever: all 3 are part of 1 large vg(volume group)
[07:35:29] clever: then its devided into seperate lv's(logical volumes)
[07:35:32] clever: a large one for mythtv
[07:35:43] floppyears: clever: can you create the volumes during initial ubuntu installation ?
[07:35:43] clever: and many small ones for diff shows i dl from the web
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[07:35:58] clever: floppyears: with the server install cd i think so
[07:36:05] juski: I just can't stay away. God saturday mornings are way too boring
[07:36:08] clever: but you can make them after the install easily
[07:36:22] clever: juski: want to helpfix a bug i have?:P
[07:36:28] juski: clever: nope ?
[07:36:30] clever: juski: it willkeepyou busy
[07:36:38] clever: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3720#comment:3
[07:36:38] ShockValue: well, the cheapest 500GB drive on newegg is $0.20 per GB
[07:36:46] floppyears: do you keep your os in an lvm or a regular partition ?
[07:36:49] juski: clever: not that again.
[07:37:03] clever: floppyears: whole os is on a normal partition
[07:37:19] clever: juski: ive tracked down what it is caused by and made a post explaining it
[07:37:40] clever: floppyears: i started using lvm after i installed and it would have been more work to shift the os to lvm
[07:37:43] juski: lvm won't be anything like as 'necessary' as it is now once Storage Groups come into their own in 0.21
[07:38:13] clever: juski: will they automaticaly pick which drive to write to?
[07:38:45] juski: it'll write shows to different dirs, or if a dir doesn't have enough free space it'll use another that does
[07:38:55] clever: ahh
[07:39:05] clever: but thats still spliting it up alot
[07:39:08] juski: they don't have to be on different drives – just depends where you mount them
[07:39:12] clever: lvm lets me see every recording with a single ls
[07:39:25] floppyears: wow that sounds cool juski
[07:39:52] juski: can't see the point of it myself – I don't keep many recordings for long
[07:40:14] floppyears: juski: how is your hd setup in your mythtv box ?
[07:40:15] juski: extra storage only ever means more unwatched recordings in my house :)
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[07:40:25] clever: i just burnt off 11gig from a usb hdd
[07:40:33] kusznir: I have 300GB and rarely use more than 150.
[07:40:40] clever: and used a script i made to shift recordings to the slave backend which does nothing but hold recordings
[07:41:09] clever: df -h /media/mainlv/ /media/disk/
[07:41:09] clever: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[07:41:09] clever: /dev/mapper/mainvg-mainlv 63G 50G 13G 81% /media/mainlv
[07:41:09] clever: 192.168.1.103:/media/disk/ 73G 68G 1.1G 99% /media/disk
[07:41:23] juski: floppyears: two 320GB drives & one 500GB. 20GB / partition, 300GB /home, 500GB /video/ (where I keep my recordings) and 320GB /media for musak & movies
[07:41:28] clever: those are the 2places im storing mythtv files at right now
[07:41:48] clever: and those arent fully used by mythtv alone
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[07:42:03] clever: 4.6G /media/mainlv/mythtv/
[07:42:04] clever: 54G /media/disk/mythtv/data/
[07:42:12] clever: only that much is actualyused in each by mythtv
[07:42:40] Nik_Doof: so much space, i've only got 75gb for myth records and thats by far enough
[07:42:43] floppyears: wow, I'm excited to start recording stuff.
[07:43:14] juski: we're doing well here.. 171 programs, using 312 GB (7 days 8 hrs 36 mins) out of 466 GB (139 GB free).
[07:43:25] ShockValue: if i deleted everything i watched 100GB would easily be enouhg.. but i like to keep some things on file.. like Planet Earth (good show off HD) and Good Eats (because Im a food geek)
[07:43:55] juski: yeah I need to sit down & watch some series I've preserved
[07:44:06] juski: stop wasting my facking time making themes & crap
[07:44:37] Nik_Doof: my missus got her hands on the mythbox, now it full of crystal maze and diagnosis murder
[07:44:49] ShockValue: hrm.. i recorded the first show of Flash Gordon tonight.. i wonder if it's gonna suck :)
[07:44:53] clever: lol
[07:45:00] clever: 81 programs, using 57 GB (2 days 12 hrs 5 mins) out of 135 GB (13 GB free).
[07:45:19] mchou: crystal maze? what is that?
[07:45:28] juski: Nik_Doof: delete FROM recorded WHERE title LIKE "%crystal%";
[07:45:37] ShockValue: hrm.. my mythweb barfs when i clikc backend status
[07:45:38] Nik_Doof: lol
[07:45:52] Nik_Doof: i can't, she'll kill me
[07:45:54] clever: juski: that wouldleave a ton of files eating up space and no way to delete them
[07:46:05] clever: like a memory leak
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[07:46:17] Nik_Doof: more like, drop mythconverg; then a rm -rf /mnt/mythtv/* :)
[07:46:21] juski: Crystal Maze is a TV show from the 1990s where thick people would have to play as a team to solve physical & mental puzzles
[07:46:24] clever: lol
[07:46:29] Nik_Doof: LOL
[07:46:32] Nik_Doof: so true
[07:46:35] ShockValue: blah.. xris is here now.. i better go to bed
[07:46:46] clever: yay xri1 is here:)
[07:46:51] clever: was looking forhim
[07:47:13] Paladine: Nik_Doof, go into Services>Settings>Woman Control>Set PIN in your Sky menu
[07:47:16] juski: originally hosted by that O'brien dude who wrote the Rocky Horror Show, then later by Ed Tudor Pole
[07:47:39] ShockValue: i wished our local PBS would play the new Bill Nye show
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[07:47:53] xri1: brb
[07:48:01] Nik_Doof: what the hell
[07:48:04] mchou: lol
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[07:48:08] juski: The Adventure Game was much better than The Crystal Maze :)
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[07:48:21] ** Nik_Doof notices new occurences of "Stepford Wives" and "Aerobics: Oz Style" **
[07:48:29] Paladine: lol
[07:48:31] juski: at least you got to see minor celebs getting vapourised
[07:48:36] Paladine: wait til he finds the porn ;)
[07:48:53] ShockValue: my drives keep getting filled up with "So you think you dance" <sigh>
[07:49:20] juski: Stepford Wives was on last night. I thought that was sposed to be some sort of 'classic'. Seemed to me like barrel scraping starring Matthew Broderick & Bette Midler to me
[07:49:54] mchou: the original Stepford Wives is a classic
[07:50:01] ShockValue: i think the original was supposed to be classic.. the current one is a hollywood rehash to line the coffers
[07:50:15] Nik_Doof: yup
[07:50:32] Paladine: you mean like 90+% of releases from the US nowadays?
[07:50:39] ShockValue: pfft.. 95 :)
[07:50:45] Paladine: I did use + :p
[07:50:50] ShockValue: oh true
[07:50:53] juski: gird your loins for the Thundercats movie, everybody! :-\
[07:50:53] Paladine: I was trying not to be anti american ;)
[07:50:55] mchou: ratatouille was good
[07:51:10] mchou: it even came out during the summer
[07:51:21] Nik_Doof: not out over here yet
[07:51:32] mchou: now that's surprising
[07:51:34] ShockValue: was it? i typically like the digi-anim movies.. but havent seen that one
[07:52:03] mchou: studios try release in all countries now at the same time due to piracy concerns......
[07:52:14] mchou: the the Simpsons
[07:52:21] juski: I was last at the cinema last week, and didn't see as much as a trail for it
[07:52:23] mchou: like the Simpsons*
[07:52:59] ShockValue: wtf is with cartoons releasing movies WAY after they were "fresh" ? beavis+butthead were like that too.. all but forgotten
[07:53:04] mchou: trailer for ratatouille was shown in theatres at least six months ago here
[07:53:53] mchou: ShockValue: the Simpsons was a special case
[07:54:04] Paladine: juski you seen this: http://www.pacemicro.com/corporate/products/p . . . IC-Multiroom
[07:54:20] mchou: obody wanetd to release a Simpsons movie until they had decent material
[07:54:25] mchou: nobody*
[07:54:25] juski: Oh wait. on seeing the trailer again, this was the film they trailed TWICE before the Simpsons and I STILL didn't recognise the name
[07:54:26] Paladine: it is rumoured that sky are gonna release it early next year
[07:55:16] Paladine: be interesting if it can be modified to run as a myth backend
[07:55:20] juski: Paladine: *yawn*
[07:55:23] Paladine: lovely looking case
[07:55:30] juski: it's black. yuck
[07:55:38] Paladine: I think it look snice
[07:56:03] juski: be interesting if it turned out to have a large chunk of mythtv in it, meh
[07:56:13] Paladine: its the single viewing card configuration I like the look of
[07:56:35] Paladine: 8 feeds 1 viewing card
[07:56:54] juski: 8 feeds from one subscription? ROFLMAO
[07:57:03] floppyears: just a suggestion, but what about: putting this information in the easy direct page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Schedules_Direct
[07:57:29] juski: floppyears: just a suggestion – anybody can edit the wiki themselves. go get it already
[07:57:36] Paladine: juski, no I expect it will be a special card which costs more, but it would remove the need for "unmentionables"
[07:57:40] ** ShockValue heads off to bed. Hopes to get 2+ hours! **
[07:58:11] clever: same here:P
[07:58:29] floppyears: juski: no, I mean put that info in the schedules direct webpage
[07:58:47] juski: floppyears: ah. so say that next time :-P
[07:58:57] floppyears: will do ;)
[07:59:46] juski: Paladine: VM are gonna be doing a similar thing. too little too late IMHO. Everybody is talking about convergence in the marketplace but where is it? Where?!
[08:00:42] juski: that said, most operators have enough trouble making the software they currently have work (kind of) properly, let alone complicating it
[08:00:50] Paladine: juski, oh I agree 200% and I expect it will have proprietary closed hardware to prevent us being able to install mythtv onto it, but if it is possible, it will make things interesting
[08:01:54] juski: it'll no doubt use a linuxy kernel, like most pace boxes do (allegedly) but how far beyond that they go is a mystery
[08:01:55] Paladine: I am seriously considering unmentionables at the moment just so I don't have to run 4 digiboxes
[08:02:27] juski: yeah well that'd be 2 levels of unmentionables. 1, a hardware unmentionable & a software unmentionable
[08:02:37] Paladine: it will probably cost about £1k to get that off sky though anyway
[08:02:46] Paladine: look at their single HD STBs
[08:02:56] juski: yeah. £399 my arse
[08:02:58] Paladine: ridiculously expensive
[08:03:16] Paladine: 399 then another tenner a month on top
[08:03:22] juski: well, they can afford to be expensive. they've got no competition
[08:03:54] Paladine: I might right to Pace and ask them if I can have an empty case ;)
[08:04:14] Paladine: write
[08:05:38] Paladine: juski, what do hotels use, because I havenever stayed in a hotel that had a digibox in each room for the sky tv
[08:05:53] Paladine: all seems to be integrated intot he tv
[08:06:21] juski: they typically use a system where they have a receiver per channel, then end up remodulating it – that's the most prevalent AFAIK.
[08:06:30] mchou: haha!! Commentary at Groklaw site is priceless
[08:06:42] Paladine: juski, expensive setup?
[08:06:49] juski: big chains can afford more er.. esoteric stuff like conditional access, PPV etc. Very expensive
[08:07:22] juski: Paladine: putting SkyTV in every room is very cheap compared to what the big chains do
[08:08:04] Paladine: I just want a reasonably priced solution that doesn't require me to use a digibox for every feed
[08:09:18] juski: not that I'd advocate going 'off the radar' of course.. in your boat I'd be looking at the unmentionables
[08:10:08] juski: I can understand a cableco charging £5 a month for an extra STB, but £10 per extra viewing card?!
[08:10:09] Paladine: I wouldn't normally consider it but we pay 64 quid a month for our service and it is just not energy or space efficient to run 4 digiboxes
[08:10:49] juski: if you spent more time watching recordings though, you'd probably not even need the 4th STB
[08:10:59] Paladine: of course I would have to get another 3 "Sky Control" usb>rf2 devices too
[08:11:04] Paladine: so thats another 120 quid
[08:11:21] Paladine: which isjust another reason for not running 4 digiboxes
[08:11:45] juski: pity they didn't have multiroom in mind when they made the software
[08:11:50] Paladine: plus it wouldbenice to have digital tv going into my myth backend as opposed to digital converted to analog to stream downsvideo
[08:11:58] juski: each box could've been assigned its own ID
[08:12:45] juski: Paladine: the only snag with the unmentionable method is that Sky break it from time to time, making you re-insert the viewing card into the STB
[08:13:00] Paladine: well we have plenty of STBs hehe
[08:13:05] juski: there's no way around that
[08:13:41] Nik_Doof: freeview all the way, same it has naff all channels
[08:13:56] Nik_Doof: the switchover can't come soon enough
[08:14:13] juski: yeah I just can't wait for DVB-H mobile TV :-\
[08:15:10] Paladine: only problem I am having at the moment is I can't find any decentinfo and guides for the unmentionables, it all seems very hush hush
[08:15:21] juski: Paladine: yup
[08:15:30] Paladine: I used to have a site bookmarked, but not any more and I forgot what it was
[08:15:35] juski: nobody sticking their neck out. there are underground forums for that kind of stuff
[08:15:57] Paladine: yeah this was a "private" forum
[08:19:48] Paladine: this bloody daytime pin rubbish is annoying me too
[08:20:24] Paladine: I recorded 3.5 hours of nothing earlier this week when the star trek/star wars stuff was running because they were on before 9pm
[08:20:28] Paladine: bloody annoying
[08:20:32] Paladine: should be able to turn it off
[08:23:14] Nik_Doof: but think of the children!
[08:23:27] Paladine: sky+ must only decrypt on playback, because if you record something on the digibox before the watershed, it still records, you just have to put your pin in if you are watching it before 9pm
[08:24:08] juski: yeah they only need the key for decrippling
[08:24:38] juski: since if you record a show on Sly Plus & unsubscribe / lose the signal, you can't play it back. awesome or what?
[08:24:55] Paladine: aye
[08:25:20] Paladine: would also suggest that copying the data off the sky+ hard drive would be useless
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[08:27:13] Paladine: Imight write to my MP again about it expressing my concerns that Sky arecontributing to global warming by forcing us to run a seperate digibox for every feed from the LNB
[08:27:51] Paladine: thats gotta be a 300% increase in power consumption for 4 feeds
[08:28:01] Paladine: at least
[08:30:47] Paladine: I could send an FOIR to the TV Licensing Authority to find out how many tv cards have been bought over the past 5 years
[08:31:26] Paladine: then come up with some statistics calculating the carbon cost of having to use a seperate digibox for each feed
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[09:16:38] johntramp: Hey. I want to use an OSS app to delay playback of a tv-input recording by a couple of minutes, to be used as feedback for gymnastics/trampoline coaching with the athletes. Will mythtv do this for me or is there something else I should look at using? Cheers
[09:17:16] floppyears: hi guys
[09:17:31] floppyears: so I bought myself the ms mce remote, will I be able to turn off my tv with this remote ?
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[09:26:37] bagpuss_thecat: johntramp: could do
[09:27:07] bagpuss_thecat: just set it to record the input, and then in a few minutes time go into the Watch Recordings menu and start watching the currently recording video
[09:27:23] bagpuss_thecat: alternatively, hit the Watch Tv option, and then pause for a couple of minutes
[09:29:01] pat_: johntramp: it could be done much more easily with a commercial black box pvr though
[09:29:09] pat_: and probably more easily and cheaply
[09:29:10] mchou: johntramp: yeah, and dont forget about myth built-in slow motion
[09:30:44] mchou: johntramp: but I dont get it. you cant use a video camera?
[09:31:07] mchou: for both recording, playback, and analysis?
[09:32:15] mchou: johntramp: I'd assume you are recording your own athletes, no?
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[10:01:17] floppyears: so the hauppage cards come with an ms mce remote ?
[10:02:58] floppyears: damn, I bought the card and remote separately thinking that the ms mce remote was not the same one included with the hauppage kit :(
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[10:11:00] Nik_Doof: the switchover can't come soon enough
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[10:19:53] jblack: whoah. Novell beat SCO while I was sleeping. That means IBM won too
[10:20:36] jblack: Off topic, but excellent news none-the-less
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[11:08:54] jthomas_work: is there a big difference between composite and component cable ?
[11:09:14] jthomas_work: and which one is 'cinch'
[11:16:25] johntramp: hey sorry i couldn't get back to you guys sooner.
[11:17:24] johntramp: the idea is that we wouldn't have to actually worry about the recording as such, but could tell the athletes what is right/wrong and then they can go have a look at the recording and understand what we are saying
[11:18:20] johntramp: so that way there is nobody recording, rewinding and playing the footage.
[11:19:12] johntramp: mchou: the slowmotion feature could be helpful
[11:20:53] johntramp: pat_: a PVR is used by other clubs coaches
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[11:21:46] johntramp: 'but i was after a cheaper alternative, just using an old computer with a tv card, some OSS and a camera
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[11:53:22] jblack: there's pretty good motion control in edit mode.
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[13:00:32] jarle_: When I enter Live TV myth will always start at input1, I want it to start up at the input I was last using and the channel I was last watching, is this possible?
[13:01:59] gbee: no, not at the moment
[13:03:22] gbee: I don't know if there is a good reason that it can't be changed to work that way, but right now it will always use the first input
[13:03:44] jarle_: The way myth works as the moment (by always starting at the first input) Should i add a ticket for this?
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[13:04:12] jarle_: to me it seems very ackward the way it is now..
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[13:12:19] gbee: jarle_: no ticket, it counts as a feature request and not a bug
[13:15:19] jarle_: gbee: would it be a feature request for the frontend or the backend (not sure who has the job of remembering which channel to enter)
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[13:16:22] gbee: backend (at least right now) but arguably each frontend should remember where it was independantly
[13:19:04] jarle_: gbee: that was what I was thinking too.... Adding the request... If I could just get a stable mythtv setup maybe I'll even put my programming skills (that hasn't been used for a while) back into use....
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[13:25:24] jarle_: Is this the correct place to register a feature request? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . ckend_Addons
[13:26:04] laga_: jarle_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_Wishlist
[13:28:56] jarle_: laga_: I kindof got the impression that this wasn't a system that would make it easy to browse new feature requests that was entered since last time you was looking at the list?
[13:29:19] laga_: make a better one
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[13:29:44] laga_: i'm not sure if the developers care about the wishlist at all
[13:30:04] laga_: the can always use mediawiki's history feature to check out new additions
[13:31:30] jarle_: laga_: if there is already a ticket system for bugs one could use the same system for feature requests maybe?
[13:31:50] laga_: no
[13:31:53] laga_: you can't
[13:32:00] laga_: the developers don't want it
[13:32:10] laga_: since it's their ticket system it should be respected ;)
[13:32:22] laga_: i bet lots of the entries in the wish list are rubbish anyways
[13:32:32] laga_: and in wouldn't want my bug reporting tool cluttered up with that
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[13:34:11] jarle_: OK then.. :)
[13:34:28] laga_: woohoo, ticket #3580 looks great
[13:34:32] mitchellj: Hiya, wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction. Is it possible to offload transcoding onto another server. Ie when I rip a DVD to my library, I'd like to transcode on another (more powerful) machine, is this possible ?
[13:34:39] laga_: commercial skipping for upnp clients
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[13:35:10] laga_: mitchellj: yes. it might involve NFS and SSH ;)
[13:35:52] mitchellj: heh so i assume theres not already a HOWTO for it then :P
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[13:36:58] rooaus: !seen gbee
[13:36:58] MythLogBot: gbee is here and has been idle for 20 minutes 36 seconds
[13:37:34] gbee: gah, can't hide from the bot
[13:37:52] rooaus: gbee: Nah, stupid bot :)
[13:39:32] rooaus: gbee: That patch for the music meta data... does the playlist get updated for you when you edit the metadata for a track? You mentioned that second read of the metadata wasn't needed.
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[13:40:22] gbee: rooaus: it does get updated
[13:41:06] jarle_: <browsing the feature list for mythtv...> When it comes to xmltv, Wouldn't it be a good thing being able to just supply a .xmltv that myth should use, and then the user could put together his own .xmltv file by using different grabbers and cut'n'paste data into a single file to be used by myth. Does that make sense?
[13:41:33] rooaus: gbee: Interesting, I have completely cleaned my install, run a distclean and am using GANT for testing and it doesn't update here.
[13:41:37] laga_: jarle_: mythfilldatabase --file
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[13:42:01] laga_: jarle_: also, you can use tv_cat instead of cut'n'paste. there's also a special grabber that will do that for you
[13:42:41] gbee: rooaus: do you have the full music tree display or the normal list-type?
[13:42:42] jarle_: laga_: cut'n'paste was only my slang for "tv_cat" :)
[13:43:07] laga_: ah
[13:43:41] rooaus: gbee: normal list type, don't like the tree view. ALso should say that svn status says that mythplugins doesn't have any mods to the WC.
[13:44:25] gbee: odd
[13:45:16] rooaus: Yeah, do you have any mods in your WC?
[13:45:32] laga_: water closet?
[13:45:35] jarle_: laga_: Then you would need to make sure that all the channel names match what is used by myth before running mythfilldatabase --file, wouldn't you?
[13:45:48] gbee: working copy
[13:45:51] rooaus: laga_: lol... working copy
[13:46:07] laga_: jarle_: the xmltv id (aka "channel id") has to match
[13:47:11] gbee: rooaus: let me try rebuilding to
[13:47:16] ** jarle_ sees the need to backup his database before starting playing with mythfilldatabase :) **
[13:47:44] gbee: see if it's something on my end, but then I never could explain why that metadata re-read would work
[13:48:03] laga_: jarle_: i don't see why it wouldn't match if you have used mythfilldatabase before
[13:48:06] gbee: rooaus: I assume you are using trunk?
[13:48:13] rooaus: gbee: I should say that I was "saving to metadata and database" or whatever the option is.
[13:48:22] gbee: i.e. that you haven't applied the patch to a -fixes copy
[13:49:01] gbee: rooaus: "save to database" and "save to database and file" both work for me
[13:49:09] rooaus: gbee: Yeah, updated tonight on my laptop (test machine) to trunk r14160
[13:49:23] jarle_: laga_: that would depend what id is used by the grabber, wouldn't it. or would the ID used by the grabber and the id from a dvb-s scan always be the same?
[13:49:36] laga_: jarle_: no
[13:49:44] gbee: heh, just as I say that it doesn't
[13:49:52] laga_: jarle_: DVB does not use xmltv ids ;)
[13:50:10] laga_: jarle_: you'll need to turn off dvb-eit for the channels which will use xmltv
[13:50:36] gbee: rooaus: odd, the first edit worked, the second and third didn't
[13:51:39] jarle_: laga_: and to do this I would need to do some mysql stuff (or can this be done in the channel editor???)
[13:51:53] rooaus: gbee: weird
[13:52:36] gbee: rooaus: ok, I'll take another look at it
[13:52:45] rooaus: gbee: I suspect the dumptree/printtree (or whatever is was called) will be correct though.
[13:52:46] laga_: jarle_: channel editor. i bet this is already covered somewhere
[13:53:26] rooaus: gbee: No probs, didn't want to bust your chops... I was just curious.
[13:53:28] gbee: rooaus: I want to get rid of that view anyway, it's useless and I'm not sure what it's purpose is
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[13:54:53] jarle_: In the recorded shows, programs with a red flag icon, that means that the show has already been comflagged, right, and the red/green bar means that flagging is being done? (They both have the same meaning in the Norwegian translation, Im guessing they can't have the same meaning)
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[13:59:57] laga_: jarle_: hit 1 or f1 for a help screen
[14:02:16] jarle_: laga_: it is in this help screen I suspect the translation is wrong, because both icons have the same meaning in the Norwegian translation...
[14:04:12] laga_: oh
[14:04:21] laga_: well, try a different translation then ;)
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[14:04:51] fryfrog: or submit a patch to correct
[14:05:00] fryfrog: but which is right?
[14:05:01] jarle_: Was thinking it was quicker posting the question here...
[14:05:28] fryfrog: I think on mine, a red cirlce with a dollar sign in the middle means it has been commflagged
[14:05:50] jarle_: fryfrog: and the red flag?
[14:06:08] fryfrog: i dunno, might be simply different themes :(
[14:08:50] ** jarle_ is testing English translation... **
[14:08:53] juski: flag means it's been commercial flagged. wow. flag == flagged. amazing
[14:09:29] juski: those icons need a serious looking at though, some of them are plain illogical
[14:09:34] juski: that's why there's a key
[14:09:39] laga_: since "flagged" is past tense, wouldn't it be more logical if there was *no* flag?
[14:09:59] juski: if anybody can come up with better icons, raise a ticket & attach the new graphic(s)
[14:10:20] juski: make sure they're either 1. all your own work or 2. from a GPL source though
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[14:10:38] laga_: GPL for artwork doesn't seem to make much sense to me
[14:10:45] juski: nor me but hey
[14:11:04] juski: speaking of images, wtf have my theme pages gone AGAIN?
[14:11:26] juski: wtf do Virgin Media keep doing with em?
[14:12:13] juski: been in talks with a friend to sort out some entirely new space & a new domain to store em, but today I feel too ill to do much about it
[14:12:42] laga_: been out last night? :)
[14:13:08] juski: this ain't a hangover. I feel sick & really drained
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[14:14:15] laga_: same here, i didn't sleep well last night. well, hopefully that concert later tonight will fix it
[14:14:56] juski: I'd understand the tiredness if I'd been burning the candle at both ends but I haven't
[14:15:12] ** laga_ sends juski back to bed **
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[14:15:50] juski: wouldn't care but it's a really nice day outside
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[14:16:03] laga_: hum
[14:16:29] laga_: this is quite scary. i'm looking at linuxtoday.net and it's got a really big sidebar: "linux freference center – sponsored by microsoft"
[14:16:32] laga_: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2007081001326NWCYSW
[14:19:40] juski: there are truly some evil sponsors of OSS stuff ;)
[14:25:34] gbee: does the following setting help text make sense to everyone?: http://pastebin.ca/653507
[14:26:33] juski: makes sense to me, with my human-sized brain ;)
[14:27:07] gbee: juski: I could give you some space on my new site – miffteevee.co.uk :D
[14:27:25] juski: aww I thought I'd said miffyteevee.. but nm :)
[14:27:41] juski: actually maybe miffy could have um.. connotations
[14:28:30] gbee: well I figured that miffteevee was closer to the phonetic spelling, the extra 'y' might have been harder to explain
[14:29:00] juski: heh
[14:29:07] gbee: still, you'll get credit for the name on the site ;)
[14:29:19] juski: with that URL, the docs should be translated to 'street'
[14:29:23] juski: innit
[14:29:28] gbee: lol
[14:29:47] juski: it might be a laugh to do a translation for da kidz actually
[14:30:00] gbee: http://miffteevee.co.uk/ (proper url)
[14:30:14] laga_: hum
[14:30:17] rooaus: gbee: And to think the "i" and the "u" are right next to each other, could have been a whole different audience... ;)
[14:30:21] laga_: i still need to do something with mythweb.de ;)
[14:30:57] juski: watsh rcuddinz, watsh pr0n ...
[14:30:59] gbee: just need to take a couple of hours for some graphics and proper pages
[14:31:15] juski: don't look at me. I'm all logo'd oot
[14:31:42] gbee: juski: I wasn't, I'm actually looking forward to the challenge
[14:31:58] ** juski hands gbee the crayons **
[14:32:01] gbee: just don't expect much ;)
[14:32:51] gbee: but anyway, if you want to host your mythtv stuff on there, you are welcome
[14:33:01] juski: cheers
[14:33:05] ** juski heads back to bed **
[14:33:16] jblack: Did you consider myth-tv.co.uk ?
[14:33:32] ** jblack tries to remember if dashes are allowed **
[14:33:42] jarle: soo... if I want to make a patch for the Norwegian translation for the "F1" help menu in "Watch recordings", how do I start?
[14:34:21] gbee: jblack: they are and I considered it, but instinctively I didn't like it much
[14:35:07] gbee: generally I find dashes in URLs hard to remember and I thought that miffteevee had a greater chance of being memorable
[14:36:15] gbee: I'd still like to get my hands on mythtv.org.uk (which is owned by a mythtv user but isn't being used) or mythtv.co.uk which is owned by some advertising squatters
[14:39:03] gbee: jarle: using qlinguist edit the i18n/mythfrontend_no.ts file
[14:40:43] gbee: doesn't look like there is a Norwegian translation yet
[14:41:24] jarle: gbee: Theres is...
[14:41:56] jarle: gbee: It sure looks Norwegian anyway :)
[14:42:47] gbee: hmm, what's the file name? I thought the ISO code was "no" but there is no mythfrontend_no.ts
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[14:45:06] gbee: if it didn't exist, then you'd need to add the name to i18n.pro, run "lupdate", then edit the .ts file which is created with qlinguist
[14:45:23] gbee: after that attach it to a new ticket at svn.mythtv.org
[14:46:19] jarle: gbee: Not sure, we have two (similar) languages, Bokmål and Nynorsk (I do have Norsk bokmål) in my frontend.... just have to figure out which file to edit then..
[14:46:25] gbee: err, you need to edit translate.pro for lupdate and i18n.pro for lrelease
[14:48:23] gbee: jarle: ahh, that will be mythfrontend_nb.ts
[14:49:08] jarle: gbee: and I would guess mythfrontend_nn.ts maybe for Nynorsk, not sure..
[14:51:21] jarle: svn trunk downloaded, I'm starting to feel like a developer already! :)
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[14:53:43] jarle: if I could just figure out which package supplies qlinguist...
[14:54:28] gbee: a qt development package I imagine
[14:54:46] gbee: which distro are you using?
[14:55:06] jarle: gbee: I have kdevelop installed so I would guess I should have it installed, running ubuntu..
[14:55:57] gbee: jarle: ahh it's linguist, not qlinguist
[14:56:09] directhex: aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search bin/qlinguist
[14:56:15] gbee: for some reason I keep calling it qlinguist
[14:56:47] gbee: well probably because every other QT app is prefixed with either Q or QT
[14:56:52] directhex: or k
[14:57:09] jarle: there, installing linguist..
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[15:17:18] TSCHAK: qunning linguist?
[15:17:21] TSCHAK: ;-)
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[15:43:33] gbee: quiet today
[15:44:18] bradd: anyone familiar with dvb configuration? i am unable to import my channels.conf anymore, although it used to work.
[15:45:14] bradd: i can tune channels fine with azap and mplayer...
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[16:05:00] directhex: bradd, why use channels.conf, what's wrong with searching with myth?
[16:05:26] bradd: it doesnt detect any of my channels
[16:06:07] bradd: the scanner seems to be very broken..even when i select import channels.conf it tries to scan something. but "times out" and doesnt enter anything into the database
[16:06:20] bradd: although the logs says that the entries were added
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[16:14:17] defaultro: morning folks. I have not had a chance to rebuild my crashed mythtv. I would like to know the fastest mythtv setup rather than my usual which is building Fedora, installing nvidia, and mythtv tar.gz. What are my options?
[16:15:23] Dagmar: Mythdora or KnoppMyth
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[16:16:02] defaultro: ok, I will look at it. Any preference between the 2? Which is newer and easier?
[16:17:10] Dagmar: That is research you can do with a web browser rather quickly
[16:17:24] defaultro: oh, I remember, I also configured the kernel for LIRC support. Do they support it?
[16:19:33] tank-man: quickest is restore from backup :)
[16:21:21] defaultro: that's my huge problem, I didn't have a backup
[16:21:29] defaultro: I did have a mythconverg backup
[16:21:41] defaultro: can we image copy a linux fs?
[16:22:39] defaultro: and I guess, my fs design was bad too which brought me to loose all my data. I created 3 disk in one using LVM+XFS. Any suggestions so that data is easier to recover?
[16:22:56] defaultro: One disk failed :( ARGH
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[16:23:26] defaultro: How are your disks prep folks?
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[16:25:07] fryfrog: 6x320G in raid5, xfs file system (no lvm)
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[16:25:37] defaultro: wow, that is a sweet system
[16:25:41] defaultro: why no LVM?
[16:25:50] defaultro: raid5 in hardware right?
[16:26:04] fryfrog: no no, raid5 kernel software raid
[16:26:09] defaultro: oh
[16:26:15] defaultro: why not hardware?
[16:26:16] fryfrog: i don't need the added headache of lvm
[16:26:24] defaultro: ok
[16:26:30] fryfrog: $300 for hardware raid card vs. +3 320G drives
[16:26:39] defaultro: gotcha
[16:26:44] Dagmar: LVM isn't exactly a headache
[16:26:45] fryfrog: rather have 3–5% cpu usage and + 900G than hardware raid5
[16:26:48] defaultro: so the performance isn't really that a boost right?
[16:26:52] fryfrog: it is if you don't *need* it
[16:27:00] fryfrog: raid5 isn't a performance raid
[16:27:07] fryfrog: raid5 is redundancy and capacity
[16:27:08] Dagmar: True enough
[16:27:16] defaultro: so looks like RAID5 is a better for redundancy rather than LVM
[16:27:18] fryfrog: my raid5 *is* faster than a single drive though
[16:27:26] fryfrog: LVM *isn't* for redundancy at all
[16:27:34] fryfrog: generally, you run LVM on top of a raid array
[16:27:35] defaultro: yep, that was my huge problem
[16:27:46] fryfrog: I just have one *big* xfs file system mounted in /data/
[16:27:50] fryfrog: and i create sub-dirs there
[16:27:52] gbee: are there any North American users here planning on using -fixes with an xmltv grabber instead of schedules direct?
[16:27:55] defaultro: ok
[16:28:01] defaultro: how much is one 320g?
[16:28:02] fryfrog: i don't have to worry about making one partition bigger/smaller when room runs low
[16:28:07] Dagmar: fryfrog: Except one can actually do RAID-5 with LVM
[16:28:16] fryfrog: oh, that so?
[16:28:22] fryfrog: color me wrong about lvm then :)
[16:28:23] Dagmar: Yep. http://www.gagme.com/greg/linux/raid-lvm.php
[16:28:28] Dagmar: No big deal
[16:28:33] fryfrog: defaultro: I got 320G drives when they were the sweet spot, about $100
[16:28:46] defaultro: where did you buy it?
[16:28:47] fryfrog: now, 400G and 500G drives seem to be the "sweet" spot at $100 and $120 ish
[16:28:50] fryfrog: newegg
[16:28:54] defaultro: bam
[16:28:59] defaultro: which brand?
[16:29:02] defaultro: i don't like wd
[16:29:07] fryfrog: i got WD, but don't make my mistake
[16:29:08] defaultro: they always down on me
[16:29:09] Dagmar: Yep. This is why I have way too much disk space now. Heh
[16:29:10] fryfrog: get seagate
[16:29:15] defaultro: ok
[16:29:20] fryfrog: 5 yr warrenty :)
[16:29:24] defaultro: BAM
[16:29:26] fryfrog: of my 6 WD drives, 2 failed in 1 year
[16:29:31] fryfrog: 1 in 6mo, the other 6mo later
[16:29:31] defaultro: ouch
[16:29:39] defaultro: :(
[16:29:41] fryfrog: course, raid5 meant i was fine
[16:29:41] Dagmar: Weird. I've only had one WD drive fail ever
[16:29:54] fryfrog: I have like 10–20 of their 10G and 20G drives, all failed
[16:29:57] defaultro: so question. What if I want to increase my space over an existing raid5?
[16:30:06] fryfrog: but they were *hot* 7200rpm in little dinky 1U devices
[16:30:20] defaultro: nice slim box ;)
[16:30:23] fryfrog: defaultro: raid5 with the 2.6.19 kernel on includes support for "hot growing" a raid array
[16:30:33] defaultro: is it a PITA when making it?
[16:30:36] fryfrog: then, if you have a "growable" fs on top of it (XFS), you can do it
[16:30:38] fryfrog: no
[16:30:43] defaultro: ok
[16:30:51] fryfrog: I started with 5x 320G drives, added the 6th a few months ago
[16:31:06] fryfrog: took about 2 days of "scrubbing" to be done, but it was online and accessible the whole time
[16:31:19] defaultro: but now, I don't think my pc case can support 5+ drives. How did you do that?
[16:31:23] fryfrog: once it was done, i just used the xfs_grow command and had another 320G of space
[16:31:30] defaultro: coolio
[16:31:37] defaultro: ooops
[16:31:40] defaultro: can't support
[16:31:57] fryfrog: http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/
[16:32:19] fryfrog: it has 8 hd bays (2 groups of 4) with fans behind them, all seperated by a few mm for cooling
[16:32:22] defaultro: can you still see my chat folks?
[16:32:36] fryfrog: i've relocated my 2x 80G drives to the spare 5.25" bays, so i have 2 holes left
[16:32:46] fryfrog: I can throw in another 2x 320G drives before i'm "maxed out"
[16:32:50] defaultro: can you still see me?
[16:32:53] fryfrog: yes
[16:32:58] defaultro: whew
[16:33:05] defaultro: wondering why my browser doesn't work anymore
[16:33:07] fryfrog: i'm answering your questions still, aren't i?
[16:33:20] defaultro: yep
[16:33:27] defaultro: restarting browser
[16:34:20] defaultro: i need to reboot this friggin pc
[16:34:22] defaultro: :(
[16:34:34] defaultro: somethings wrong with my network stack
[16:34:38] fryfrog: ah
[16:34:50] defaultro: brb in a few
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[16:41:10] defaultro: fryfrog, can you please post the link again
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[16:44:23] defaultro: it's ok, I found it in the logs -> http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/
[16:48:45] defaultro: fryfrog, why type are those 320g that you mentioned earlier? Are they IDE type? Correct me if I am wrong, we can only do 2 drives max per IDE controller. How did you do it?
[16:48:50] defaultro: s/why/what/
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[17:56:57] Leebier: quick question: If i backup mythconverg to xfer to a new box, will recording preferences also be included (that is, does one of the tables contain priority, freqeuncy, max shows, etc)?
[17:57:47] Anduin: Leebier: Yes.
[17:58:06] defaultro: hey folks, does mythtv support the usb based HD capture tuners?
[17:58:09] Leebier: awesome, that's what i thought, but i didn't want to boot up to a disaster :)
[17:58:14] Leebier: thanks anduin
[18:00:07] defaultro: and also, my capture cards are more than 1 year old. What are the latest cool additions?
[18:04:33] Aval0n: anyone in here use their mythtv for websurfing too?
[18:04:55] Aval0n: defaultro
[18:04:59] Aval0n: if i were you
[18:05:05] Aval0n: I'de check the mythtv wikis
[18:05:13] Aval0n: but if you have more than year old cards
[18:05:23] Aval0n: you'de want to make sure they arent frame grabbers
[18:05:39] Aval0n: you want mpeg2 hardware encoding (granted you're in the US)
[18:06:06] Aval0n: pvr 150s are very popular for non-HD tv
[18:06:56] Aval0n: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Video_capture_cards <-- NON HD cards
[18:07:05] Aval0n: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HDTV_capture_cards <-- HD cards
[18:08:46] defaultro: ok
[18:09:07] defaultro: I saw a new USB based HD capture tuners, don't konw if they are now supported in mythtv
[18:09:30] Aval0n: well you could start off by checking the compatibility list I just linked you to...
[18:09:41] defaultro: i have the Air2PC and Dvico HDTV lite
[18:09:47] defaultro: checking it now
[18:09:51] defaultro: I actually want to sell them
[18:10:02] defaultro: then get 2 capturers in 1 card
[18:10:10] Aval0n: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=myth . . . apture+cards
[18:10:14] Aval0n: :)
[18:10:16] Aval0n: bbiab
[18:12:42] defaultro: this is what I was referring too -> http://www.hauppage.com/pages/products/data_hvr950.html
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[18:13:18] defaultro: I would like to know if anyone has use that in mythtv
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[18:26:28] doc|home: anyone using gentoo know if I can remove the ivtv package or if it's still needed, possibly for firmware?
[18:26:37] doc|home: (with 2.6.22)
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[18:40:14] juski: defaultro: if they work in linux...
[18:41:12] juski: oh and apparently for HDTV you can't go far wrong with an HDHomerun box – 2 tuners in one box, networked (and maybe USB, can't remember precisely)
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[18:43:55] burgandy: mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected
[18:44:19] burgandy: what to do?
[18:44:19] juski: wow. so mythtv automagically posts error log output into IRC? teh awesome!
[18:45:58] TSCHAK: hahahhaha
[18:46:10] juski: burgandy: that error could be caused by any number of things. more information would help somebody help you
[18:46:41] TSCHAK: i might switch to a hdhomerun box
[18:46:53] TSCHAK: because the firewire approach is just too damn flaky
[18:47:02] tank-man: burgandy, buy more tv tuners or cancel a current recording
[18:47:05] ** fadec is with burgandy **
[18:47:27] burgandy: there are no recordings
[18:47:40] burgandy: we have 2 tv tuners
[18:47:45] fadec: is there a good way to test things incrementally, ie check if pvr-500 is working
[18:48:03] juski: fadec: the docs at www.ivtvdriver.org suggest how to best test your tuners
[18:48:12] juski: reading them is always a good place to start
[18:48:20] TSCHAK: yup
[18:48:48] fadec: okay – ill look there
[18:49:33] juski: burgandy: well, has 'watch tv' ever worked for you? I mean has it never worked – is it only just recently broken? que?
[18:49:55] juski: burgandy: let's have some more information. got nothing to go on here. absolutely nothing
[18:50:10] fadec: burgandy and I are trying to set this up for the first time
[18:50:17] TSCHAK: juski, my mythtv are broken, what happen?!
[18:50:17] burgandy: first install
[18:50:22] ** TSCHAK smirks at juski :-) **
[18:50:40] juski: testing the tuners would be what you're supposed to do before even setting out with mythtv, so if you've not done that yet, go do that now
[18:50:45] fadec: ivtv-tune says (Signal Detected) – card must be okay
[18:51:08] TSCHAK: fadec, can you mplayer /dev/video0 ?
[18:51:12] juski: I wouldn't be satisfied til I'd seen the tuners produce good video & audio...
[18:51:20] fadec: let me try and get that working
[18:51:42] TSCHAK: it's okay if it skips a bit.. can you see a picture, can you HEAR audio?
[18:52:10] juski: then the next obvious thing to check, when you know the tuners work, is make sure that mythtv-setup capture card options are set to the correct type – i.e. mpeg2 encoder – PVRx50
[18:52:25] juski: otherwise bad things can happen.
[18:52:54] fadec: mplayer works!
[18:53:08] juski: great news
[18:53:27] TSCHAK: okay, go to mythtv-setup and check your settings... your card IS _NOT_ A V4L CARD, don't set it up that way.
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[18:53:30] juski: so next make sure the tuner card type in mythtv-setup is correct
[18:53:39] juski: stop mythbackend before doing that
[18:53:46] ** TSCHAK stops to prevent echo **
[18:53:47] TSCHAK: :-)
[18:54:09] fadec: I think it is. Let me see what the settings say.
[19:01:14] my2keh: Is there a way to group all my movies together like a series is grouped together?
[19:02:23] GreyFoxx: group them where ?
[19:02:32] GreyFoxx: in the Watch receordings screen ?
[19:02:35] my2keh: yeah
[19:03:27] GreyFoxx: Hit M
[19:03:34] GreyFoxx: ping "Change group filtering"
[19:03:47] GreyFoxx: one of the options is Movies is they are flagged as movies in your scheduling data
[19:03:58] GreyFoxx: Under the Categories section
[19:04:21] GreyFoxx: It really depends on what the categories are on the show
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[19:04:54] my2keh: so I will have a Movies section
[19:04:58] my2keh: like I have an All Programs
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[19:05:09] my2keh: and how each series is broken down?
[19:05:27] Slyboots: With a brick
[19:05:37] GreyFoxx: You will have a Category of Movies IF one of the recorded shows has a Category of "Movies"
[19:05:52] GreyFoxx: it really depends on the scheduling data from when you recorded it
[19:06:14] GreyFoxx: I've never tried to edit the category after a show was recorded so you might be able to manually change one to be in that group
[19:06:32] GreyFoxx: Personally I use recording groups
[19:06:43] GreyFoxx: those are easy to change and you can call them anything you like
[19:07:02] my2keh: right
[19:07:19] GreyFoxx: And you wont have to worry avbout the scheduling info
[19:08:12] my2keh: well under the select filter
[19:08:19] my2keh: it says I have 20 items in the Movies
[19:08:25] my2keh: Category
[19:09:10] my2keh: oh I got it
[19:09:18] my2keh: switched it to show categories and titles
[19:10:47] ** GreyFoxx has 5 recording groups which is what I use for filtering my watch recordings screen **
[19:11:14] ** fadec bows and thanks tschak and juski – can watch tv now **
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[19:11:26] GreyFoxx: I use Default, one for my daughters shows, unwatcvhed archive for stuff I plan to watch some day but don'twant cluttering my default view, a Movie group etc
[19:11:45] GreyFoxx: then I can swich filters to see just the shows in that group whenever I want
[19:12:04] TSCHAK: fadec, you're welcome.
[19:12:18] TSCHAK: fadec, what was it ?
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[19:15:18] my2keh: hmmm
[19:15:42] my2keh: you can't edit/create recgroups via the web admin eh?
[19:15:51] GreyFoxx: no
[19:15:59] GreyFoxx: That's something I've always wished you could do
[19:16:11] GreyFoxx: I've been planning to look at patching it for that
[19:16:27] my2keh: yeah
[19:17:05] GreyFoxx: I have acronjob that runs hourly that auto flags untranscoded shows in my UnWatchedArchive group for transcoding.
[19:17:10] GreyFoxx: It's the only stuff I transcode
[19:17:26] GreyFoxx: but makes it easy, I just change a shows group and eventually it will be transcoded
[19:17:49] my2keh: ahh yeah I don't really use transcoding
[19:18:01] GreyFoxx: That longerm archive group is the onlytime I do
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[19:28:49] fadec: tschak: it was misconfigured under "Capture Card" and "Video Sources". works now
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[19:30:08] tank-man: user error again :)
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[19:53:28] ** xri1 wonders if it's worth spending $200 on an antec mediapc chassis **
[19:53:57] jams: the fusion?
[19:54:21] laga_: xri1: can I pm you?
[19:54:54] ** jams really likes the fusion, just wish the vfd had an ir receiver **
[19:55:43] xri1: laga_: let me log out/in again (pidgin doesn't seem to work with /nick)
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[19:56:12] ** xri1 grumbpes **
[19:56:19] xri1 is now known as xris
[19:56:21] xris: better
[19:56:31] xris: someone else keeps using my nick
[19:57:00] xris: jams: where's the IR receiver on the case? reviews were talking like it had ir
[19:57:07] xris: jams: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129030
[19:57:39] jams: xris- thats version 2 of the case version 1 doesn't have an ir reciever
[19:57:43] xris: ahh
[19:57:50] jams: not for sure v2 works with lirc
[19:58:29] xris: well, I use mceusb2, anyway
[19:58:33] xris: so not that big of a deal
[19:58:41] jams: according to the wiki v2 doesn't work with lirc or lcdproc
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[20:00:52] xris: that's annoying..
[20:01:19] xris: wonder how long before it would
[20:02:53] laga_ is now known as laga
[20:04:18] jams: that fact is the one thing that stopped me from buying the black case, cause I really like my silver v1
[20:10:27] juski: fadec: no probs. glad you sorted it.
[20:10:37] ** juski is about to book a holiday in the sun :D **
[20:18:44] xris: jams: they only have v2 these days.. black or silver
[20:18:56] xris: juski: nice.
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[20:40:21] laga: xris: does the flash player in mythweb support the new video codec in flash 8?
[20:40:31] xris: not a clue
[20:40:39] xris: ffmpeg can't encode it, so it doesn't matter.
[20:41:15] laga: mencoder can do it, but it needs a .dll to do so. i jsut read about that the other day and so i was wondering..
[20:44:01] xris: well, mencoder uses ffmpeg... but that sounds cool
[20:44:27] xris: need to find some time to add more mencoder stuff to nuvexport.
[20:44:40] xris: apparently has some little tweaky wrappers around ffmpeg that produce better-looking output.
[20:44:58] laga: does ffmpeg suppor the w32codecs?
[20:46:31] juski: watch out Zakynthos. a slightly tubby white English guy will be seen stranded on the beach in September :D
[20:47:40] laga: ah, english tourists
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[21:15:49] ** xris wishes he could take a vacation to greece. **
[21:16:05] xris: my sister "stopped off in greece" on her back here from nigeria a few weeks ago.
[21:16:14] xris: granted, she had to eventually go back to nigeria
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[22:05:46] Hoxzer: shouldn't "repeat = 0" be enough to tell lirc to ignore repeated events ?
[22:05:51] Hoxzer: ... send by remote
[22:11:45] Hoxzer: maan.... I'm afraid I have to patch my lirc :\
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[22:26:24] weltschmerz: what is needed to watch theora videos?
[22:26:35] weltschmerz: i think there are several formats that our system is not currently able to play.
[22:26:58] Paladine: anyone recommend a decent linux friendly dual tuner dvb-s card?
[22:27:06] weltschmerz: our system is on fedora. :(
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[22:35:41] xris: weltschmerz: should just be libtheora
[22:39:18] weltschmerz: no. i installed that.
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[22:44:33] weltschmerz: ?
[22:47:24] Anduin: It would use the ffmpeg ones but I'm not sure it will work (doesn't here), you can use MyhtVideo to call mplayer/xine/etc though.
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[22:58:08] floppyears: so I will be a new mythtv user next week, what reading or tips did you find the most useful ?
[22:58:29] my2keh: mythtv.org
[22:58:31] my2keh: the wiki
[22:58:39] my2keh: and knoppmyth's wiki
[22:59:07] g3k: I will second that. wiki.mythtv.org has a lot of good info
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[23:01:59] my2keh: and the mailing list to a lesser extent
[23:09:16] my2keh: i'm bored
[23:09:21] my2keh: everything is working perfectly
[23:09:39] g3k: bummer
[23:09:47] k-man_: when I try and install lirc_mod_mce, i get this error: lirc_mod_mce: Unknown symbol lirc_get_pdata
[23:09:53] g3k: maybe the devs will break something fore you this week
[23:09:53] k-man_: anyone else encountered that error?
[23:10:16] floppyears: my2keh: so why don't you do an updade ? it'll probably break some shit
[23:12:22] floppyears: how do yu guys manage doing upgrades ? how do you rollback in case something breaks ?
[23:13:01] my2keh: The update doesn't give me anything
[23:13:15] my2keh: and plus I'll have to update once the schedule direct stuff is figured out
[23:13:22] my2keh: I ghost
[23:19:53] JackStorm: damn it, when mplayer is launched from mythfrontend I get no kb controls, but if I launch it on my own (same as myth default) kb works. any ideas?
[23:20:14] laga: JackStorm: use a window manager
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[23:20:52] JackStorm: laga: well that sucks
[23:21:06] laga: then keep whining
[23:21:11] laga: it won't work without a window manager
[23:21:24] laga: a window manager is needed to give focus to mplayer
[23:23:08] floppyears: my2keh: what about an open source solution ?
[23:23:20] JackStorm: laga: thought thats what it could be, but was hoping I missed something in the config.
[23:23:26] my2keh: floppyears>> let me know when you get that working
[23:23:35] my2keh: you asked what I was using
[23:24:17] floppyears: I know, but do you know of something similar that I can download from the web to do the same job ?
[23:24:25] laga: JackStorm: a window manager won't kill ya. "ratpoison" is very light-weight
[23:25:48] my2keh: i dunno, use google
[23:25:53] floppyears: ok
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[23:30:17] JackStorm: laga: ok that works, and is light....I didn't see the need for a WM at all with this.
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[23:32:05] laga: JackStorm: i bet you do now. :)
[23:32:19] JackStorm: laga: yeah
[23:32:58] JackStorm: just need to readjust the video now
[23:33:56] k-man_: anyone here using the mce keyboard?
[23:34:38] floppyears: JackStorm: how do you run mythtv ? a script or something ?
[23:35:56] JackStorm: floppyears: I was using an init script to start Xorg and then launch the front end, now I'm going to have it launch the WM, and read the docks on the ratpoison and see if it has an auto launcher with recovery
[23:38:16] weltschmerz: if you're using mythnews how do you actually read the articles?
[23:38:26] weltschmerz: and where does it save the rss-casts?
[23:38:44] laga: JackStorm: why do you need an auto launcher? just start the frontend after ratpoison
[23:38:48] laga: weltschmerz: it uses mythbrowser
[23:39:42] JackStorm: laga: well if rat poison has it, I'd rather use it, because then I know that the frontend will always load after the wm
[23:39:52] floppyears: JackStorm: I see your point, I'm going to hopefully setup mythtv so that my W just has to turn on the pc if she has to reboot it
[23:40:28] my2keh: Knoppmyth
[23:40:34] my2keh: has a very high WAF
[23:40:46] my2keh: simple to setup as well
[23:42:00] Bearcat: i've just installed a pcHDTV HD-5500 card today. It works, but i'm not sure that things are set up properly. When i run KDEtv i get a beautiful picture (albiet in black and white). When i use mythtv with the card set as v4l it's color, but slow and blocky like a youtube video. Reading the wiki it says to use the DVI drivers. Doing that, i get nothing. I'm using the Svideo input as my source. Any ideas?
[23:42:09] Bearcat: I'd love to get mythtv working well
[23:43:24] Bearcat: my system is an AMD 64 3000 with 1 gig of ram and a single nvidia 6600.
[23:43:33] my2keh: hmmm no idea
[23:43:37] laga: Bearcat: use kaffeine when using the DVB drivers.
[23:43:47] laga: DVB is a different beast than V4L
[23:44:03] Bearcat: thanx laga
[23:44:10] ** Bearcat tries that **
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[23:47:26] weltschmerz: where does it store the rss-casts?
[23:47:36] weltschmerz: where do i specify how long to keep them before deleting them? etc.
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[23:47:50] Bearcat: laga: hmm. kaffine tells me "/dev/dvb/0/frontend1 : : No such file or directory". I suppose i need to mess with my kernel again.
[23:47:50] weltschmerz: where do i specify whether an rss-feed should be auto-downloaded or not?
[23:47:53] weltschmerz: i don't see any settisg.
[23:47:55] weltschmerz: settings.
[23:48:22] laga: Bearcat: it should read /dev/dvb/0/frontend0
[23:48:38] laga: Bearcat: please show me the entire output of kaffeine startup <www.pastebin.ca>
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[23:48:52] Bearcat: laga: thank you so much for the help
[23:49:45] Bearcat: laga: ahh. I have an /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0
[23:50:02] laga: Bearcat: you need to scan for channels in kaffeine
[23:50:30] laga: hum
[23:50:41] laga: i'm not sure if DVB supports ATSC scanning.
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[23:50:44] a1fa: hi
[23:50:52] laga: err, if kaffeine supports ATSC scanning. just try it ;)
[23:51:19] Bearcat: laga: well i'm in the usa so it should be ntsc, and at any rate, i'm using the svideo input not the tuner.
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[23:51:38] a1fa: so is zap2it going to stop their service?
[23:51:49] a1fa: err
[23:51:56] laga: Bearcat: ah, so you're wasting a perfect good HDTV card on SDTV ;)
[23:52:02] a1fa: i mean, are they going to go through and actually stop it
[23:52:29] a1fa: Subscription Expires: 2007/11/17
[23:52:31] a1fa: hehe
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[23:52:48] laga: Bearcat: i didn't know you were using its analogue part.
[23:53:08] laga: Bearcat: the analogue half of the pchdtv cards won't work when using the DVB drivers.
[23:53:10] Bearcat: laga: yes! Fear my inadequacy !
[23:53:10] GreyFoxx: a1fa: On Sept 2nd it will stop working :)
[23:53:21] a1fa: GreyFoxx: they may change their mind
[23:53:21] ** laga steals GreyFoxx cookie **
[23:53:31] laga: yeah
[23:53:31] GreyFoxx: a1fa: Hehe no
[23:53:32] Bearcat: laga: ahh. so i can stop going in circles then.
[23:53:40] laga: it was just a big scam to scare you, a1fa
[23:53:53] a1fa: i am keeping my fingers crossed, GreyFoxx
[23:54:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: There is no chance
[23:54:04] GreyFoxx: it's not gonna happen
[23:54:07] laga: well
[23:54:11] a1fa: why not?
[23:54:16] GreyFoxx: They are turning it off
[23:54:19] Bearcat: laga: go i'm back to V4L2 then. Would the picture be slow and blocky because of the card or because i need a faster system for mythtv?
[23:54:20] a1fa: bastards
[23:54:23] laga: at least i know a few people who'll be annoyed if zap2it does *not* stop working
[23:54:31] kavorka^: my myth box us currently on kernel 2.6.16, would there be any advantage in updating to kernel 2.6.22?
[23:54:32] a1fa: who?
[23:54:33] laga: Bearcat: what kind of system have you got?
[23:54:44] laga: a1fa: http://schedulesdirect.org/
[23:54:59] GreyFoxx: a1fa: The people who got together to form schedulesdirect in order to get at the data
[23:55:08] Bearcat: laga: my system is an AMD 64 3000 with 1 gig of ram and a single nvidia 6600.
[23:55:28] a1fa: --enable-proc-opt is something new
[23:55:31] laga: Bearcat: ah, you already told me that. sorry. :) your system should be fine for SDTV.
[23:55:31] a1fa: what does this do
[23:55:35] a1fa: laga: i was looking into this
[23:55:42] a1fa: $15/3 3 months is a bit high
[23:55:45] Bearcat: laga: it look pixelated, like a low-res streaming video.
[23:56:00] JackStorm: my system is almost fine for 1080i, just need some tweaking
[23:56:01] GreyFoxx: a1fa: It's expected to go down but they need to get an idea of how many are gonna join first
[23:56:09] GreyFoxx: the data is VERY expensive
[23:56:13] laga: Bearcat: you need to modify your recording profile it's in settings -> TV -> recording profiles or something
[23:56:24] Bearcat: ahh!
[23:56:31] Bearcat: *runs off to do just that*
[23:56:43] laga: Bearcat: i suggest you hop over to the wiki since i don't know anything about capturing analog NTSC
[23:56:45] a1fa: hehe
[23:56:51] a1fa: GreyFoxx: this is like bait & switch almost
[23:56:58] JackStorm: a1fa: $5 a month starting is cheap, the more people that use it, the cheaper it will be
[23:57:00] GreyFoxx: a1fa: How so ?
[23:57:06] a1fa: nothing else to use besides this
[23:57:19] a1fa: where does the profit money go to?
[23:57:21] GreyFoxx: a1fa: Someone somewhere will come up with screen scrapers
[23:57:30] JackStorm: a1fa: it's non profit
[23:57:33] GreyFoxx: a1fa: to pay for the data, the bandwidth, server maintenance
[23:57:41] a1fa: roger
[23:57:44] GreyFoxx: and schedules direct is a non profit , only looking to cover costs
[23:57:55] a1fa: is anybody getting payed?
[23:57:57] GreyFoxx: hence the hopefully lowering of the cost once more people sign up
[23:58:04] GreyFoxx: a1fa: So far no
[23:58:23] JackStorm: a1fa: TMS, the hosting company, and thats it, ohhh and the hardware sellers.
[23:58:23] GreyFoxx: It's cost the people setting it up money and personal vacation time
[23:58:31] a1fa: ya
[23:58:50] GreyFoxx: if it grows large enough and requires someone(s) 24/7 to supprto there will be paid personel
[23:58:57] GreyFoxx: but that's a long ways off
[23:59:01] JackStorm: the only thing I want to know is, if SD will offer midday updates
[23:59:45] GreyFoxx: for the first few months users will be getting the data from datadirect so the content wont change much

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