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Thursday, August 9th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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gberardi:

I will be moving into a new apartment and likely getting digital cable. Is it possible to use MythTV with digital cable? I understand I might need to have the infrared receiver daisy-chained between the Myth box and the digital set top box, but can I do more than one signal input?

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regicide666:

you can use 2 STBs with 2 different tuners

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gberardi:

STB?

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regicide666:

Set Top Box

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regicide666:

you know your cable box

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gberardi:

Ah, but I couldn't just use one, then?

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regicide666:

well you could do one digital and one basic

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gberardi:

Er, I was under the impression that I get access to either/or.

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gberardi:

Either way, I'm getting only one stb

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regicide666:

you should still get basic cable off the cable without the STB

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gberardi:

Ok, that's good to know

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gberardi:

So i can have a splitter, have one input go into the MythTV box, and have the other go into the digital STB, and I suppose the only difference we'll notice is signal quality (since I presume we'll get regular cable just fine).

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regicide666:

When I had my setup like that I did not notice the difference on most channels

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gberardi:

I read somewhere that the quality is worse sometimes on digital since the digital artifacts are annoying.

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regicide666:

it can be

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gberardi:

But here's hoping that I can simply split the cable and have analog and digital working just fine.

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gberardi:

Thank you for your time

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Solarbaby:

The time has come to make the switch from GBPVR to MythTV.. (I see Heaven)

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Solarbaby:

1 real reason here though.. I've setup XBMC in all the rooms of my house and I think MythTV should make a real nice backend.. anyone doing the same?

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laga_:

some people use the mythtv scripts i think

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regicide666:

I always had a hard time with it

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regicide666:

but I did not put a whole lot of effort into it

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burner:

anyone know if there`s a way to keep mythmusic running, after quitting and entering another menu?

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fryfrog:

yes, rewrite myth/mythmusic

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laga_:

what he said

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my2keh:

agreed

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regicide666:

I have never seen that option but it would be cool

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fryfrog:

i concur, would be sweet

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fryfrog:

like xbmc does

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regicide666:

yes

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my2keh:

uh huh

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burner:

i'm planning to use mythtv in my car-setup, and it would be nice if the music keeps playing when i'm browsing in other menus

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my2keh:

car hehe

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burner:

oh ye :P

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regicide666:

yea cause gps without music would suck

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fryfrog:

burner: won't happen with myth :(

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burner:

regicide666, yep..

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burner:

fryfrog, why?

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fryfrog:

cause mythmusic just doesn't do that

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fryfrog:

lame, but a fact :(

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regicide666:

I would think it would have to be more integrated than it is

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fryfrog:

that isn't to say that someone won't re-write myth/mythmusic to do it

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burner:

yep..

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burner:

but, mythmusic is just a frontend for mpg123 or something?

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fryfrog:

but it doesn't exist now and i don't know of anyone working on it, so i wouldn't hold my breath

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fryfrog:

i dunno

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fryfrog:

if you want music to keep playing, you might hobble something together with something like mpd

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burner:

maybe..

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burner:

but i also want a allways-visible-bar on the bottom, that displays song title/clock etc

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fryfrog:

good luck :)

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burner:

hehe

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regicide666:

has anyone had any experience with mythtv UPnP and the PS3

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regicide666:

burner, sounds like you need a more car pc friendly frontend than mythtv

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burner:

regicide666, they are not to be found :P

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Solarbaby:

Is KnopMyth way too old to use?

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burner:

not for linux, anyways

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fryfrog:

yeah, i can imagine :(

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fryfrog:

are there even any good ones for windows?

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burner:

but, i once experienced that the music didnt stop after i exited the mythmusic-plugin

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fryfrog:

i imagine that MCE for vista/xp would *almost* come close... but w/o the car oriented stuff

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burner:

a bug ofcourse, but it proves that it should work P

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burner:

:P

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fryfrog:

ahah

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burner:

fryfrog, yeah.. you got roadrunner

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burner:

i havent got time for windows to boot..

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regicide666:

getting mythmusic to not stop may be easy but getting other things to stop mythmusic may be more difficult

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burner:

regicide666, yeah.. or control mythmusic :/

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burner:

i will try to have a look at the code sometime soon.. :p

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regicide666:

the control would not be to hard with the network remote

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regicide666:

maybe

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regicide666:

but you would not get good visual feedback

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burner:

uhm, it would require that i'm viewing the mythmusic-screen?

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regicide666:

I hacked together a little perl gtk2 script awhile back to control my frontend from my laptop that worked well

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regicide666:

it was only because I wanted to try and make a gui in perl so i don't even know where it is

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regicide666:

The only feedback from the frontend I think you get with the telnet connection is where you are at in mythtv

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burner:

yeah..

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burner:

but it should be easy to modify the mythmusic-plugin so that it writes out info in plain text-files

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regicide666:

but for a car pc a custom frontend to things like mplayer and your gps spftware may be a better way to go

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burner:

yup, it would.. but i dont have the madskills to pull it off

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burner:

i know php.. hard to write a good gui with..

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regicide666:

the gtk2 stuff was not to hard once you get used to how everything is lined up in boxes

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burner:

okey.. but C/C++ is hard

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burner:

:p

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regicide666:

perl

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burner:

isnt perl rather slow?

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regicide666:

It would not be doing much

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burner:

true.. :p

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burner:

maybe i could give it a try

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burner:

do you have a example-program i could look at? with a gui

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regicide666:

http://personal.riverusers.com/~swilhelm/gtkperl-tutorial/ is what I used to figure it out

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regicide666:

but that is not gtk2 so it looks kinda bad

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regicide666:

it is pretty easy to change the examples to use gtk2

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burner:

okey

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burner:

i can create fullscreen, borderless apps?

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Solarbaby:

does KnopMyth get updated much?

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regicide666:

It should be possible

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regicide666:

and I am not sure about KnopMyth

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Solarbaby:

Thanks for the reply

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regicide666:

I never had much luck with KnopMyth

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Solarbaby:

I guess if im going to do it I might as well do it full throttle

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regicide666:

I tried it first because it looked easy enough

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Solarbaby:

I was ok with linux back in my redhat days

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Solarbaby:

always wanted Myth.. Hopefully 1 of my computers will like it

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Solarbaby:

then if I can get the XBMC script working, it will all be worth it

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Agrajag-:

adante: http://www.smh.com.au/news/home-theatre/nine- . . . cid=rss_news

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adante:

Agrajag-: nice

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adante:

interested in that free tv australia announcement

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tcpsyn:

gentlemen

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Aval0n:

hey guys

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Aval0n:

is schedulesdirect a payfor service?

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laga_:

Aval0n: http://schedulesdirect.org/

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tcpsyn:

looks that way

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Aval0n:

damn

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tcpsyn:

So, I've got my qam tuner tuning.. but the channels aren't so well described.

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Aval0n:

I wonder how much it's going to be

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tcpsyn:

Someone suggested I use the dvbtools to make the channel listing

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tcpsyn:

But I let myth scan and grab the channel data.

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Aval0n:

the whole reason I'm going myth is it's cehaper than dish

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tcpsyn:

How do you guys suggest fixing that

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Aval0n:

but I can still get the program guide for analog cable

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tcpsyn:

Aval0n, I wouldn't imagine listing data will be expensive. Wouldn't think it more that $5 a month or so

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Aval0n:

cheap = poor substitution for free

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Aval0n:

but I guess beggars can't be choosers

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fryfrog:

Aval0n: I think it will be as cheap as they possibly can make it, *I* think even $5/mo is high, hoping for something like $1–2

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Aval0n:

i sure hope

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fryfrog:

in theory, the more people who sign up... the lower they can price it, but i dunno if they price will go down as they get more users

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fryfrog:

it *is* going to be a non-profit company though, so that is good

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tcpsyn:

if the money goes to mythtv devs I don't mind

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tcpsyn:

my channels come up as UNKNOWN82#1

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tcpsyn:

instead of cbs-hd

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GreyFoxx:

It is currently planned to be $15 for 3 months, as more people sign up the price will go down

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GreyFoxx:

so basically 0.17 a day

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GreyFoxx:

the plan being to get to closer to $20 for a year once enough people sign up

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tcpsyn:

that's more than reasonable

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laga_:

yay, details :)

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

people are allowed to talk about it now :)

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tcpsyn:

what a mess on the mailing list

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tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

geeks get pissed when you take away their tvs

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fryfrog:

blech, $5/month :(

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fryfrog:

at least it'll drop as people sign up

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Beirdo:

that's a reasonable rate, I think

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fryfrog:

no, sure it is reasonable

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fryfrog:

it is on the high end of what i would consider reasonable, but unlike *most* things... it will go down as people sign up

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Dave123:

the reason i built mythtv was because of no subscription fees

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fryfrog:

no one be forcing you to use labs

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fryfrog:

er, teh new sched direct

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fryfrog:

you can do EIT or i spose XML screen scraping or what ever

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fryfrog:

I'm sure if there was some rich guy willing to pay for the license from TMS, it'd still be free :)

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Dave123:

but does EIT have scheduling info for a few weeks?

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tcpsyn:

do you guys know of an efficent way to take the channels myth found on my qam card, name them, and get listing data?

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NightMonkey:

Dave123: Until we have a large room full of monkeys willing to type in all the data for us, we're at the mercy of TMS for good, deep listings data in the U.S. :|

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Dave123:

true

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NightMonkey:

Considering how much filtering, gathering and sorting that has to happen, I don't think $5/month (give up that latte) is too bad.

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laga_:

you guys drink expensive coffee ;)

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NightMonkey:

Or give up 2 Pabst Blue Ribbons?

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tcpsyn:

Should I just go through the channels one by one and edit the listings manually?

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tcpsyn:

how would I get the xmltv id?

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fryfrog:

tcpsyn: The way I do it is to create a "broadcast" or "cable" lineup, snarf it into myth, then view the db on one screen near by

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tcpsyn:

what?

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fryfrog:

goto each channel by hand, figure out what it is (by watching), then once i know hit "E" then fill in the details by hand

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tcpsyn:

I can fill in the name of the channel if I see the channel icon on the screen.. but how do I get the xmltv id?

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fryfrog:

i pull a listing that has the *channels* I want, then I just view the DB entries because they'll have the channel name, the channel call sign and XMLTV id

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fryfrog:

^^

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tcpsyn:

where do you get the listing?

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fryfrog:

i use datadirect

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fryfrog:

well, used

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fryfrog:

my QAM cards stopped finding channels, so I was down to my two firewire DVRs from cumcast

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fryfrog:

but i canceled my cable tv yesterday, so now i don't record anything

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fryfrog:

i'll prolly throw an antenna onto the roof and get the FTA shit

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Dave123:

fryfrog, the antenna on the roof is such a pain in the arse to set up

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Dave123:

:)

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fryfrog:

hehe

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Dave123:

my father has a 13' one that would be sweet but it would be a pain

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tcpsyn:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_ . . . MA_-_Comcast

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tcpsyn:

I could most likely use that, right?

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Dave123:

got nothing to mount ut on

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JeffATL:

i'm surprised that the mythtv ebuild for gentoo doesn't have xorg as a dependency – why's that?

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Dave123:

jedix, hmmm if you only use it as a backend

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Dave123:

err JeffATL

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JeffATL:

Dave123: oh, do you think that the mythtv ebuild is backend only?

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Dave123:

no its both

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Dave123:

i run gentoo

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Dave123:

but

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Dave123:

the backend does not need x

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Dave123:

you can run a stripped down backend and frontends

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JeffATL:

so why do you figure "emerge -p mythtv" doesn't throw xorg-x11 as a dependency?

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Dave123:

because if you run it as a backend only, you do not need X

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Dave123:

or you have X installed

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JeffATL:

X is not installed

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Dave123:

ok then, if you're going to need to run a frontend on the box install X

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JeffATL:

ok, so one must get xorg-11 up and running independently?

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JeffATL:

ok

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Dave123:

yes

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Dave123:

if you are running a frontend

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JeffATL:

ok, i'll be doing that on the target box's own console instead of shelled in from my macbook – i'd like to be able to move the macbook in the next 8-odd hours :)

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Dave123:

hahah yes

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Dave123:

use the backendonly use flag i think

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Dave123:

if you only need a backend

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JeffATL:

does INPUT_DEVICES in make.conf need anything to accommodate IR? this box has IR I/O right on the front panel

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Dave123:

i dont know

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Dave123:

i just built all the lirc drivers

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JeffATL:

Dave123: i have not emerged lirc yet

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Dave123:

you'll need lirc too :)

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JeffATL:

it appears that it will be pulled in when mythtv is emerged

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NightMonkey:

JeffATL: You can use GNU screen so you don't have to attach to the physical console.

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NightMonkey:

Just FYI.

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tcpsyn:

I really need help with this digital lineup thing. Can someone help walk me through it?

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NightMonkey:

JeffATL: With screen you can detach and re-attach to your session later.

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NightMonkey:

JeffATL: Rocks for long compiles. ;)

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JeffATL:

NightMonkey: ahh, thanks

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Anduin:

and only requires you to memorize crazy emacs like key sequences

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Beirdo:

??

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Beirdo:

memorize?

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Beirdo:

Ctrl-A ?

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Beirdo:

there IS a help page :)

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NightMonkey:

Anduin: I'm a lifer vi user, and I can handle it. :)

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Beirdo:

hehe, bigtime schema upgrades here :)

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Beirdo:

from 1137 to 1194

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Beirdo:

this should take a while :)

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tcpsyn:

I made a seperate listing on zap2it for my digital stuff.

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tcpsyn:

I scanned the channels, and set that to the input device

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tcpsyn:

Now the wiki says to do that, and then fix the channels manually from the livetv screen.

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tcpsyn:

what exactly am I fixing? Changing the channel names isn't gonna do much for me, is it? In terms of scheduling.

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Anduin:

tcpsyn: URL?

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tcpsyn:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . Scan_results

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tcpsyn:

Anduin, like I said, I can tune channels, but none of them have usable names or channels for scheduling

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tcpsyn:

It's all like 82#5

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tcpsyn:

and all the listing data is just channel 2–300.

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tcpsyn:

without any # insanity.

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tcpsyn:

Do I just find the channel number it's supposed to be and change that in the channel editor?

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tcpsyn:

or should I scrap all that and just go with the custom channels.conf file?

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tcpsyn:

the scan command is just failing every station

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tcpsyn:

and taking forever to do it

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Anduin:

tcpsyn: So you've done the steps below and are trying to merge the two channel sources into one?

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tcpsyn:

No, actually, I just followed the note at the top and used myth to scan for the channels.

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tcpsyn:

I want to know how to make the channels I got... which are like 82#5 corrispond to the listing data so I can schedule recordings.

[02:39:19]

tcpsyn:

I get the channels, I can tune them in live tv...

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tcpsyn:

but there's no data on them.

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tcpsyn:

I can tell from the watermark on some channels what they are... but not all of them

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tcpsyn:

I'm going through the document now to see if it outputs a readable listing

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Anduin:

tcpsyn: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Channel_Editor

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Anduin:

Still looks like a lot of manual work.

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tcpsyn:

[0001]:513000000:QAM_256:1984:1985:1

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tcpsyn:

that's how the scan reports my channels

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Anduin:

Yeah, the xmltvid is the important bit that is used to match channels during mythfilldatabase

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Anduin:

Note, I don't HDTV

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Anduin:

but it looks like you are expected to know the xmltvid

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TUplink1:

um.... this is wierd..... myth frontend has no sound....

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tjcarter_:

Anduin: you must do HDTV.

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tjcarter_:

Anduin: FCC insists.

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Beirdo:

no they don't

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tjcarter:

there, is better.

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TUplink1:

oh yea... hows all of that gunna work with all of these analog tv's will cable still come ins SD?

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Beirdo:

they just insist you do digital ;)

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Anduin:

tjcarter: That is only broadcast.

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TUplink1:

i think its digital OTA over The Air

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Beirdo:

and yes, only for broadcast...

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Anduin:

TUplink1: exactly, for many years

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tjcarter:

TUplink1: you will have to get a $50 adapter box

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Beirdo:

only if trying to receive over the air

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tjcarter:

$50 to make your quality digital programming look like shit ;)

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Beirdo:

quality?

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tjcarter:

Nova is quality?

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Beirdo:

you must be watching different TV sources than me... most TV is inherently crappy

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tjcarter:

okay, PBS and crappy network television ;)

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Beirdo:

subject-matter wise that is

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mchou:

PBS aint crappy

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Beirdo:

usually not, mchou :)

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Beirdo:

they have their moments occasionally

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Anduin:

tjcarter: Things like Nova are the only thing I've ever seen in HD that made it seem not lame.

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mchou:

Anduin: there is DiscoveryHD too

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TUplink1:

if i have the backend up and working.... can i just recompile the frontend and install it on the save box...... save SVN version

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Beirdo:

so the forums on labs.zap2it are pointing at schedulesdirect now

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Beirdo:

saying that it exists, etc

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mishehu:

HD Pr0n for the extra super extreme closeup

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Anduin:

Beirdo: And encouraging you to go sign up today!

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mchou:

wow, TMS really wants to get ri of the monkey

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mchou:

rid*

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clever:

i dont realy nnotice the poor quality of sd

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mishehu:

mchou: and not spank it?

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Beirdo:

heh... we will start signing up once we are capable of doing so

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mishehu:

I thought spanking the monkey was more fun.

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clever:

until i try to get lots of texton a sd tv(tvout+xterm)

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mchou:

mishehu: I prefer the chicken myself :)

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tjcarter:

Beirdo: the things that don't require you to be a hemp-smoking simpleton to appreciate?

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tjcarter:

Beirdo: is that going to change anything for datadirect users?

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Beirdo:

I think TMS really wants people to shut the hell up about "why are you taking away my tv sources???"

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Beirdo:

of course it will

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Beirdo:

!trout tjcarter

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** MythLogBot slaps tjcarter with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

schedulesdirect will be providing pretty much the same service, but at a slight cost to pay for the licensing

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Beirdo:

zap2it didn't have to pay the licensing as they own the data too

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mishehu:

mchou: yes, but chickens you have to choke, not spank

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Beirdo:

mishehu, you can spank em if you wish, nobody's stopping ya

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mchou:

Beirdo: bingo!

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mishehu:

Beirdo: silly canadian, chickens are for choking

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clever:

lol

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mchou:

why did the chicken cross the street?

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Beirdo:

anyways, I expect that schedulesdirect will have the FAQ, etc up real soon :) Especially after that plug :)

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mchou:

Beirdo: no doubt

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clever:

plug?

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Beirdo:

by zap2it

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Beirdo:

silly ;)

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clever:

?

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Beirdo:

OMG

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mchou:

strange that they didnt "coordinate"

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Beirdo:

"coordinate"? Huh?

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Anduin:

I hope I get an even user number.

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Beirdo:

what is this coordinate of which you speak?

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mchou:

press release and anmouncements

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Beirdo:

oh, heh

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mchou:

announcements*

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mishehu:

mchou: why did the rooster cross the street?

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mishehu:

answer: cuz its dick was in the chicken

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mchou:

or maybe schedulesdireect just dont have their act together

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mishehu:

err cock

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Beirdo:

mchou, you need to calm down

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mishehu:

damn I ruined the double entendre

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mchou:

Beirdo: I'm as calm as I can be

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mishehu:

the beauty of the pun is in the oy of the beholder

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Beirdo:

schedulesdirect is the creation of 3 myth devs, one xmltv dev and one other guy

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Beirdo:

they are on the ball, believe me.

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** mishehu offers mchou some V4l1UUUm from a special online pharmacy **

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Beirdo:

they were waiting for the contract stuff to all be worked out, which it apparently was yesterday

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clever:

lol

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mchou:

Beirdo: that doesnt explain why zap2it forum just slapped the ball over to schedulesdirect b4 they are "ready"

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Beirdo:

I'm actually quite pleased that it will be implemented by people who care about the community, and have vested interest in seeing it work for a LONG time

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Beirdo:

well, maybe the people at zap2it are getting sick and tired of all the whiners.

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Beirdo:

I dunno, I don't work for those people :)

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mchou:

sigh....

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tcpsyn:

zap2it has a notice on their website as well

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

I'd expect that this might be part of the reason xris isn't on IRC right now... likely workin on it :)

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JeffATL:

Dave123: is it recommended to unmask mythtv-0.20.1_p13783 at this point in time?

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clever:

there are certain tcp based scans to detect bandwidth usage(in packets going out)

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clever:

could use one on xris to see if he is active:P

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Beirdo:

don't

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clever:

i dont remember his ip off the top of my head

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clever:

and scanigg irc logs would take too long

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mishehu:

who's knocking on my port?

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mishehu:

heh

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opello:

that's what whowas is for

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opello:

22:06 [freenode] -!- xris [n=xris@dsl081-161-160.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net ]

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Beirdo:

I'd suggest letting him work :)

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clever:

lol

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clever:

for packet fragmentation to work

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clever:

every packet has to have a uniq id which when sorted puts the fragments in order

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clever:

alot of os's inc that between every packet(globaly)

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clever:

if i keep poking you with allmost anything that gives a reply

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clever:

and watch that field

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Beirdo:

then we contact your ISP and you lose your account

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clever:

i can see how many packets you sent(even out other interfaces or to the lan) since my last poke

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clever:

yeah which is why i dont do it much:P

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Beirdo:

that's definitely not within the AUP of nearly every ISP

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clever:

it can also be used for relay port scans

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clever:

i claim to be Beirdo 's ip when port scaning xyz

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clever:

thenn i poke Beirdo to see if he got a reply and sent out an error

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

like it would work

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clever:

logs point to Beirdo as the source

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clever:

aslong as i can send spoofed ip packets

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mishehu:

hmm I didn't know you and Beirdo were such close pals that you had poking privileges

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clever:

annd you arent doing much

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clever:

it will work

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Beirdo:

as I said... like it would work

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Beirdo:

besides, you are expecting my firewall to act like Linux

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Beirdo:

bad assumption

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clever:

i can swap you out for any other person

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clever:

use some random aol user who ist protected:P

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clever:

all the logs point to the aol user im bouncing things off

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clever:

and only if he had detailed logs can they trace it back to me

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clever:

or his isp

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mchou:

good luck on that. arent most aol users on POTS modems?

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Beirdo:

why do you think that hacking is on topic? :)

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clever:

was talking about it as a way to see if xris was active(online)

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Beirdo:

he's not on IRC. so let him be :)

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clever:

lol:(

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mchou:

sigh. it's really too bad

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clever:

ages ago on another irc network(whe i was a noob:P)

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clever:

i had ran one of those $decode 'virus'es'

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mchou:

myth was good while it lasted

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clever:

then i figured out how it worked and foud out the hidden chanel it dumped my perform to

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Beirdo:

mchou, what crack are you on?

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clever:

while idling it i saw annother person run it

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clever:

whe i told them i was glined from the network

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clever:

and my isp accout was shut off

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mchou:

Beirdo: I'm not on any drugs, and I dont race Tour De France

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clever:

and every time i go back(even years latter) they claim i made the whole virus and that they have proof

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clever:

and they refuse to show any of that proof because 'i can use the code to resume hacking'

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mchou:

clever: who are "they?"

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clever:

irc.vjtd3.net

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clever:

the admins on that etwork

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robbins876:

Alright, quick question...i hope. I just added some videos to mythvideo that aren't on IMDB, actually their boxing matches...

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robbins876:

I want to go in and add some descriptions about them that will show up in the mythvideo broswer, how do i do that?

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clever:

id like to do that too(for the anime i have)

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mchou:

robbins876: hack the db

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robbins876:

i imagine i have to edit some mysql file or something, but i've never done that and i'm not familiar with how to do it

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robbins876:

mchou, basically, how do i do that?

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clever:

no ui within mythvideo for it?

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mchou:

mysqlclient

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Beirdo:

or phpmyadmin

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clever:

or phpmysql

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robbins876:

clever, sadly, no there isn't

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clever:

:(

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robbins876:

wow, three different recommendations, which is easiest?

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mchou:

php is lame

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clever:

phpmysql is a typo of phpmyadmi

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mchou:

use direct to metal :)

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clever:

mysql is text based and harder to learn

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clever:

the phpmyadmin just puts purty buttons on everything:P

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mchou:

mysql client is gui based

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robbins876:

what's the package name of that?

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Beirdo:

whatever... pick a tool

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mchou:

mysql is text based

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clever:

mchou: running 'mysql' gives me a text interface to mysql

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robbins876:

mysql-client?

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clever:

i punch in querys and get results

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mchou:

clever: read what I wrote

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clever:

diff program?

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clever:

what table would it be held in though?

[03:20:34]

clever:

i have 94 diff tables i mythconverg

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clever:

also how to i get mythvideo to stop putting every pdf torret txt and jpg into the video list?:P

[03:22:04]

clever:

i have a folder with over 20000 jpg's and the extra rows i the db slows mythvideo dow

[03:22:21]

robbins876:

Man, how do i get mysqlclient?

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robbins876:

or tell if i already have it installed?

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clever:

robbins876: try running 'mysql' in a terminal

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robbins876:

but i want the gui

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clever:

the exact way to install it depends on the distro

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robbins876:

fedora 7

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clever:

dont know fedora that well

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clever:

try searching for php then grep out my annd admin

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mchou:

lol

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clever:

i do that alot(apt-cache search php|grep my|grep admin)

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clever:

the words might be in a diff order in the package name

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mchou:

why you insist on php?

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clever:

its the only gui prog i know

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mchou:

lol

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clever:

and you wherent answering him

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tcpsyn:

oh man, this sucks.

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Beirdo:

because it's usable from anywhere without X forwarding (if you know how to run a webserver)

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tcpsyn:

so many channels.

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clever:

i run 3 web servers

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tcpsyn:

there has to be a better way

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clever:

one of them on multiple ports/ip's

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mchou:

Beirdo: it's lame to insist on installing a web server for a simple task like that

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Anduin:

robbins876: yum install phpMyAdmin

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mchou:

pedal to the metal

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clever:

he might allready have a webserver for mythweb...

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Beirdo:

uh huh. likely already running one (with PHP) for mythweb anyways

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Beirdo:

heya, xris

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mchou:

plenty of ppl dont run ythweb

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robbins876:

Anduin, hey man, long time, no talk

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mchou:

mythweb*

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Beirdo:

labs.zap2it.com is now advertising shedulesdirect

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Beirdo:

in case you didn't know :)

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mchou:

Beirdo: haha!

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mchou:

Beirdo: that's funny

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Beirdo:

what?

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mchou:

"in case you don't know"

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Beirdo:

I wasn't talking to you

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Beirdo:

anyways... :)

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NightMonkey:

robbins876: Whatever method you find, make sure to back up your database before poking around in it.

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Beirdo:

very wise advice :)

[03:30:05]

robbins876:

true

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NightMonkey:

Do you guys advise that people bring down mythbackend before backing up the DB?

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xris:

NightMonkey: doesn't matter much. but bring mysql down if you're not using mysqldump

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NightMonkey:

xris: Thanks.

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NightMonkey:

I've always wondered if there was any transactions that should be atomic, but areen't. ;)

[03:32:29]

tjcarter:

So how does SchedulesDirect differ from datadirect that I get for free?

[03:32:41]

tjcarter:

amd I not going to get datadirect for free anymore? =(

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xris:

tjcarter: serious question?

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robbins876:

Anduin, I did that yum, but i can't figure out how to run the app

[03:33:06]

tjcarter:

is this a way to do away with three-month renewals?

[03:33:18]

tjcarter:

xris: assume I live under a rock =D

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Beirdo:

you obviously do

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tjcarter:

xris: because it's been mostly true for ~6 wk =)

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xris:

tjcarter: go to schedulesdirect.org and start at the bottom post.

[03:33:58]

NightMonkey:

tjcarter: Check http://schedulesdirect.org and labs.zap2it.com.

[03:34:02]

robbins876:

when i try to run phpMyAdmin from terminal it says that -bash: phpMyAdmin: command not found

[03:34:26]

NightMonkey:

robbins876: phpMyAdmin is a web-based application. Served from a web server to a web client.

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tjcarter:

I have been to the latter recently, but didn't actually READ it ;)

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robbins876:

oh, i was way off

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robbins876:

is mysqlclient the same?

[03:34:44]

robbins876:

or is it a standalone app?

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NightMonkey:

robbins876: Nope. That's the command-line client.

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Anduin:

robbins876: MySQL Client is the pretty GUI app from MySQL

[03:35:33]

robbins876:

Anduin, that's what i want

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NightMonkey:

Anduin: Ah, forgot about that thing. :| robbins876: What Anduin said.

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robbins876:

though i don't have it installed and yum can't find the package, or something

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NightMonkey:

robbins876: You're on Fedora?

[03:36:46]

robbins876:

yes

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NightMonkey:

robbins876: OK, let me google for you.

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Anduin:

robbins876: The confusion is that mysqlclient is the package that contains the client libs, really you want MySQL Query Browser (well you may want, phpmyadmin is also pretty, ish)

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tjcarter:

okay, so datadirect service is going away. =(

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tjcarter:

okay, I have a pretty reasonable grasp on the overall idea here..

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Anduin:

tjcarter: What!

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Anduin:

Even ignoring those threads took time.

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mchou:

robbins876: rpm mysql-administrator, give that a shot

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NightMonkey:

robbins876: Perhaps it is Mysql Administrator?

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NightMonkey:

Ah, mchou beat me to it.

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robbins876:

i remember running that on fedora 6

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tjcarter:

I have a series of rapid-fire FAQs that aren't answered on either page though: What is the ballpark of schedulesdirect pricing expected to be? What exactly will be permitted to use it? (ie, can I sell prebuilt systems with MythTV installed and configured and have people use this service?)

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NightMonkey:

tjcarter: $5/month. No selling.

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mchou:

tjcarter: you selling prebuilt mythtv boxen?

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Beirdo:

I'm sure the FAQ will be up soon

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robbins876:

when i run that it asks for some things...server hostname, port, username and password

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Anduin:

robbins876: looks like they hide it in mysql-query-browser

[03:41:27]

robbins876:

hide what?

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NightMonkey:

tjcarter: For personal use only. And if people abuse it, then SD may go away too.

[03:41:34]

robbins876:

oh, the admin program

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robbins876:

anyway, what does it want for the server hostname, port and l/p?

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mchou:

sigh

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sigger_:

anyone confirm or refute that streaming "decent quality" non-HD .avi over a LAN from a USB 2.0 drive on a server should work OK? (i.e. USB 2.0 not too slow is it?)

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mchou:

read mythtv docs please

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NightMonkey:

tjcarter: You want commercial use, contact Sales @ TMS. They'll Be Happy To Serve You Today.(tm)

[03:42:58]

mchou:

NightMonkey: lol

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mchou:

NightMonkey: over a billion customers served? :)

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Anduin:

sigger_: USB 2.0 shouldn't be the problem

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NightMonkey:

mchou: Over 100 customers served... at $1 million each. (j/k)

[03:43:47]

tjcarter:

mchou: no, but if I ever go and make MythTV accessible to blind people (or any people who can't generally use print), I've been told by several friends they'd pay me to put together a box..

[03:43:51]

tjcarter:

any such effort would be like the one for KnoppMyth

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sigger_:

cool, thanks Anduin

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mchou:

tjcarter: ok

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mchou:

sigger_: using usb storage on linux is a very bad idea

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tjcarter:

any such thing I did would be with full specs for the system and open source download of the exact software I'm using

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: A FAQ should be posted in the next couple days along with the other docs

[03:44:51]

tjcarter:

cool

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mchou:

sigger_: the usb mass storage stack is very borked

[03:45:10]

GreyFoxx:

after that if you have specific questions I can get you answers

[03:45:13]

mchou:

in linux

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sigger_:

mchou, yeah I do have boot issues

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tcpsyn:

ugh. this channels.conf thing is torture.

[03:45:22]

GreyFoxx:

though they will end upas FAQ entries :)

[03:45:45]

mchou:

especially with certain HW combos

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NightMonkey:

tjcarter: I'd guess (and it is a guess) that if the use is solely for a real and legal non-profit, there might be some deal to be had, but you'd have to ask the SD people. I don't work here. ;)

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mchou:

usb disconnects will fry the data on the usb drive

[03:46:34]

tcpsyn:

anyone know of a script that will fetch the channel names for these:

[03:46:35]

mchou:

I mean random usb bus disconnects

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: Goal pricing is something like $20 a year, but it really depends on subscription rates

[03:46:36]

tcpsyn:

2:513000000:QAM_256:2050:2048:2

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tjcarter:

I just wanna make sure that if I do build boxes for a half dozen blind people I know who want to be able to use the family DVR for a change, and tell them to use this service, I'm not putting the service in jeopardy.

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sigger_:

well I've an old server box. could get a SATA board but it has limited power

[03:47:07]

robbins876:

In this mysql-adminstrator, how do i edit the DB?

[03:47:37]

NightMonkey:

tjcarter: Well, if you aren't selling the boxes, and they sign up individually, then I can't see a problem. But, you'll have to parse the agreement to be sure you're not breaking the contract.

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Anduin:

robbins876: You run the query browser.

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tjcarter:

robbins876: you realize the answer to your question fills several books, right? =)

[03:48:34]

tjcarter:

NightMonkey: they would sign up individually, and the boxes would be sold literally at no profit.

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mchou:

sigh....

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robbins876:

tjcarter, i understand that i can

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mchou:

tjcarter opens a whole can of worms

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tjcarter:

NightMonkey: I haven't actually decided to do this (too much on my plate)

[03:49:18]

NightMonkey:

tjcarter: It might get grey if you aren't a non-profit yourself.

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NightMonkey:

tjcarter: It's a noble cause, however. :)

[03:49:58]

tjcarter:

Right, so doing it for a couple of friends, quietly, probably no big deal. For more than that and less than a full-blown non-profit, don't.

[03:50:27]

tjcarter:

and for full-blown non-profit, work out agreements and whatnot.

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mchou:

"profit" is a vague concept

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tjcarter:

mchou: cost of parts on newegg + shipping ;)

[03:50:55]

mchou:

I mean you could sell myth boxes and still be losing money

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NightMonkey:

mchou: Well, you can have a business that makes no money (or loses money), and still be a "for-profit".

[03:51:18]

mchou:

and say dont come out ahead until a year later

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** tjcarter assumes his time has no value. **

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mchou:

NightMonkey: that's my point exactly

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NightMonkey:

mchou: I've run a small buisness into the ground, never having made a profit. But, the IRS didn't care about that. ;)

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tjcarter:

I used to assume my time was valued at $50–75/hr, but then I went back to school and they told me my time was worth -$359/hr

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mchou:

NightMonkey: it's called a dodge

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tjcarter:

I figure I split the difference and figure my time is valueless--pay for parts, I'll assemble them and walk you through basic KnoppMyth + Storyteller setup

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mchou:

let the SD lawyers figure it out

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** tjcarter has decided to call thing Storyteller **

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mchou:

lol

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** tjcarter hasn't actually WRITTEN it yet.. **

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clever:

mchou: ive found one bug in the usb mass storage stack

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mchou:

tjcarter: better not call it anything cause then you'd be liable

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clever:

with a certain laptop drive and enclosure

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mchou:

clever: only one? lol

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tjcarter:

mchou: why?

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clever:

my best guess about whats happening

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clever:

it allocates a page of memory for the read,fails the read,hands the program the unfilled page

[03:54:49]

clever:

so when i try to read the drive(say hd /dev/sda) i get random data

[03:55:02]

clever:

some of which contains strings from my mysql server

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mchou:

clever: bah, a read is innocous. writes are the problem :)

[03:55:15]

clever:

i havet tried to write to that disk

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clever:

since i cannt even tell what the sector im writig to is used for

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clever:

cant even read the partition table

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mchou:

what usb-ide bridge is on it?

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clever:

i think gparted sefaulted once reading the 'corupt' partition table

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mchou:

lsusb should tell you

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clever:

i think it said ali on the usb chip

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tjcarter:

mchou: it's my speech server (already written), a backend to something reasonable for use with Myth (so, a Linux speech engine), and a patch to Myth to give you the ability to have menu items spoken as they're used and read descriptions and titles and whatnot.

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clever:

and in lsusb

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tjcarter:

why use my speech server over something else that's already standard? Because I already have mine and I know how to use it, and it has commands like say <lang> <text> and stfu

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tjcarter:

mostly I'd use it for stfu command =D

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mchou:

clever: no, I didnt ask for the usb-if :) I said usb-ide if

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

i'll shove it into this pc and lsusb it

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clever:

Bus 004 Device 005: ID 0402:5642 ALi Corp.

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mchou:

clever: seriously, I strongly discourage the use of usb mass storage devices in linux. way too many issues

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clever:

the only problem ive ever had was this one enclosure ad a certain laptop hdd

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mchou:

you will end up with shredded file system

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defendguin:

i'm having a problem playing a dvd though mythtv

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clever:

i have a second desktop hdd enclosure ad a laptop->desktopide converter but havent tried it yet

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clever:

mchou: i have yet to shred a usb fs

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defendguin:

when i try to play one the screen goes black for a few seconds and then goes back to the menu

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mchou:

clever: nor have I, but getting bad sectors is bad enough

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clever:

i even saved a win2k once thru usb(stuck a new drive i the usb enclosure and used dd to copy the whole thing over)

[04:00:18]

clever:

the main thing i use in usb atm is the 80gig drive for mythtv's overflow

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clever:

which is currently overflowing itself:P

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mchou:

clever: dd? dude, get with the modern age. ntfsclone

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clever:

lol

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clever:

it was actualy dd_rescue

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clever:

annd i didnt want to have to manualy duplicate the partitions

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mchou:

clever: next time try gparted

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clever:

it was a livecd

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clever:

and the gparted o that cd is ages old

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mchou:

gparted comes on a livecd

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clever:

yeah but id have to dl ad bur that

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mchou:

I mean by itself

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clever:

seemed simpler to boot the ubuntu cd and apt-get install dd_rescue

[04:02:11]

clever:

didnt even have to eter my wep key

[04:02:21]

clever:

it automaticaly logged into my neighbors unprotected wireless:P

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mchou:

clever: dude, just dont mistype with dd

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clever:

dd_rescue is safer

[04:02:55]

clever:

'dd_rescue in out' is all

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clever:

it automaticaly copyes and skips bad parts(skiping over it then goign back to avoid the slow repeat reading of all the bad blocks)

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mchou:

clever: yeah, but dd is stupid regarding sparse files and shit

[04:04:08]

clever:

after it fidns the rought start/ed of the block its copyed arroud it and knnows what the rought area of damage it(might retry those at the end of the copy)

[04:04:21]

clever:

this was dd_rescue /dev/hda /dev/sda

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mchou:

ntfsclone is way faster and safer

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clever:

any sparse files on that?:P

[04:04:42]

mchou:

knows about sparse files and shit

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clever:

the win2k refused to boot

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clever:

replacing the bad sectors with random but non bad data caused it to be fixed

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tcpsyn:

I found 250 channels using dvbtools.

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tcpsyn:

Theres no way I can manually edit 250 channles.

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tcpsyn:

I need only unencrypted channels.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: mysql is your friend

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mchou:

delete as many rows as you want (TM)

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mchou:

with one sql command

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defendguin:

:(

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tcpsyn:

yeah, but I have to know which ones to delete

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tcpsyn:

I don't get names with them.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: dude, that's not an issue

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tcpsyn:

please explain, because I have the biggest headache I've had in a long long time.

[04:09:24]

NightMonkey:

tcpsyn: Once they are added to your DB (and see names in Myth), you can see the name -> channel mapping, and zap them.

[04:09:41]

tcpsyn:

nah, they get named "unknown"

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mchou:

tcpsyn: he just said he doesnt get names

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tcpsyn:

and the channels are like 82#5

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NightMonkey:

tcpsyn: Ah, my bad.

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clever:

mchou: and that would be a power outage

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clever:

0.5 seconds

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tcpsyn:

if scan could note which channels were encrypted, that would be a big help.

[04:11:01]

clever:

caused a cmos crc error on my main linux causing it to no longer boot

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tcpsyn:

but no such love.

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clever:

hdb was the root drive but now theres a hda which isnt bootable

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clever:

kvm also crashed so i had trouble accessing the now dead pc

[04:11:41]

clever:

but the usb drive works fine:P

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mchou:

clever: lol

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mchou:

clever: you're just full of good news

[04:12:00]

clever:

half my systems are still bootig back up

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rockets:

Is it possible to run mythtv as a server that streams video to another PC?

[04:12:29]

mchou:

rockets: lol

[04:12:36]

clever:

uptime

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clever:

04:12:29 up 6 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.08, 0.06

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rockets:

mchou, what . . .

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clever:

i thought that host was on a ups

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** clever checks the other oe in that room **

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mchou:

rockets: I thought that's why myth uses client server architecture

[04:13:05]

tcpsyn:

how did you guys do it?

[04:13:10]

tcpsyn:

get the channels to be sane?

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rockets:

mchou, I thought you just installed mythv on a pc and then connected THAT pc to your tv

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mchou:

tcpsyn: where you live?

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rockets:

Basically I want to use MythTV Apple-TV style

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clever:

only system i know didnt reboot was the laptop

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rockets:

with mythtv being the source

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tcpsyn:

mchou, Massachusetts, outside of boston.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: then it's easy

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tcpsyn:

The example boston ma channels.conf files don't work well for me though

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clever:

redhat has a 90day uptime

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clever:

it must be the one on the ups

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mchou:

tcpsyn: go over to labs.zap2it.com

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tcpsyn:

yea..

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clever:

mchou: where was i before the power cut out...

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mchou:

select only the channels that are clear

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mchou:

in your lineup

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tcpsyn:

ok

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mchou:

then do a mythfilldb or whatever....

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mchou:

you need the one that just dumps to a file

[04:18:17]

tcpsyn:

eh?

[04:18:19]

mchou:

insteead of to db

[04:18:19]

tcpsyn:

whats that

[04:18:30]

mchou:

the command line or whatever

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mchou:

or was this xmltv, I cant remember

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tcpsyn:

I don't know what your talking about

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TUplink1:

i cant get any sound to come out of the frontend

[04:19:00]

TUplink1:

any ideas?

[04:19:13]

tcpsyn:

change the sound device to ALSA:default

[04:19:25]

TUplink1:

how do i do that....

[04:19:35]

tcpsyn:

it's in the general config options

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TUplink1:

let me look

[04:19:41]

tcpsyn:

from within mythfrontend

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TUplink1:

i ahve ALSA:iec958 and default

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mchou:

tcpsyn: this has nothing to do with the frontend

[04:20:38]

tcpsyn:

mchou, I was talking to him there.

[04:20:44]

tcpsyn:

Tuplink1, set it to ALSA:default

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mchou:

or even mythtv-setup for that matter

[04:21:03]

TUplink1:

oh.. there it is.... above that option i was looking at

[04:21:17]

TUplink1:

do i need to restart the frontend?

[04:21:23]

tcpsyn:

zap2it has 800 channels.

[04:21:29]

tcpsyn:

1–800

[04:21:49]

tcpsyn:

my channels.conf is naming the channels 82#5

[04:21:50]

TUplink1:

well there is sound....

[04:21:54]

tcpsyn:

they don't sink up.

[04:21:57]

tcpsyn:

sync

[04:21:58]

tcpsyn:

even.

[04:21:59]

mchou:

tcpsyn: so? there should be max 10 clear channels

[04:22:04]

TUplink1:

how do i get..... the volume control in myth to work

[04:22:11]

mchou:

what's the problem?

[04:22:27]

mchou:

maybe 20 at the most

[04:22:31]

tcpsyn:

the problem is that my channels.conf has 250.

[04:22:35]

tcpsyn:

unnamed.

[04:22:44]

tcpsyn:

only 10–20 of them are unencrypted.

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TUplink1:

them ute and volumes dont work

[04:22:50]

tcpsyn:

and I don't know which are which

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mchou:

tcpsyn: dude, you need to listen

[04:23:00]

tcpsyn:

Tuplink1, make sure it's ALSA:default

[04:23:01]

tcpsyn:

ok.

[04:23:02]

tcpsyn:

sorry.

[04:23:06]

tcpsyn:

What am I not understanding.

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TUplink1:

it is....

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mchou:

tcpsyn: there is azap or szap or whatever in dvb tools

[04:24:12]

tcpsyn:

yes.

[04:24:17]

TUplink1:

kool i got it

[04:24:18]

TUplink1:

:P

[04:24:19]

mchou:

just populate that with the clear channels

[04:24:22]

TUplink1:

thanks bunches

[04:24:24]

mchou:

simple

[04:24:37]

tcpsyn:

simple to you, confusing as fuck to me.

[04:24:54]

tcpsyn:

whats azap?

[04:24:56]

tcpsyn:

I used scan

[04:25:03]

tcpsyn:

from dvb-tools.

[04:25:07]

mchou:

tcpsyn: google

[04:25:27]

mchou:

it's all frigging documented

[04:27:25]

tcpsyn:

right.. by too many people in too many different ways. The official document says to skip all this, let myth scan the channels, and manually edit each channel from the frontend.

[04:27:41]

tcpsyn:

and each document I find tells me to do it in a different way.

[04:27:50]

tcpsyn:

So, please tell me what document is the right document.

[04:27:53]

tcpsyn:

and I'll follow it.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: some ways are smarter than others

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mchou:

mchou: the myth scan way is least useful

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tcpsyn:

azap -r WETA-DT (replace this with any channels you see in your channels.conf)

[04:29:54]

defendguin:

anyone use ubuntu?

[04:30:11]

mchou:

tcpsyn: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards

[04:30:23]

mchou:

tcpsyn: pretty complete here

[04:31:15]

mchou:

tcpsyn: simple

[04:31:33]

tcpsyn:

mchou, with all due respect, theres nothing simple about it.

[04:31:51]

mchou:

tcpsyn: even scripted for your convienience

[04:32:01]

tcpsyn:

I used that script to make my channels.conf

[04:32:10]

mchou:

which script?

[04:32:15]

tcpsyn:

fixnames.sh

[04:33:08]

tcpsyn:

I was hoping to not use the scan.sh one, since it's going to take all night.

[04:33:15]

mchou:

so? what's the issue? That should have id'ed all the clear channels

[04:33:25]

tcpsyn:

It ID'd them 1–250

[04:33:28]

tcpsyn:

not FOX

[04:33:41]

tcpsyn:

And they aren't all clear.

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mchou:

no, the scan.sh is the one you need to use

[04:33:52]

tcpsyn:

I used it.

[04:33:57]

mchou:

to id clear channels

[04:34:16]

tcpsyn:

It ID'd them 1–250[000b]:663000000:QAM_256:74:75:11

[04:34:22]

tcpsyn:

it took this:

[04:34:24]

tcpsyn:

[000b]:663000000:QAM_256:74:75:11

[04:34:44]

tcpsyn:

and made it:

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tcpsyn:

14:537000000:QAM_256:0:2049:2

[04:34:54]

tcpsyn:

that's all.

[04:35:10]

tcpsyn:

it doesn't differentiate clear/encrypted, or give names.

[04:35:21]

mchou:

it doesnt give names

[04:35:23]

tcpsyn:

it just changes [000b] to 14

[04:35:29]

mchou:

it gives frequencies

[04:35:57]

mchou:

and you use the frequencies as a unique key

[04:36:18]

mchou:

wtf is so difficult about that?

[04:36:19]

tcpsyn:

and said key does not corrispond to zap2it

[04:36:20]

tcpsyn:

see.

[04:36:25]

tcpsyn:

this is why I'm stuck.

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mchou:

which key specifically doesnt correspond to zap2it?

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tcpsyn:

any of them

[04:38:05]

tcpsyn:

I set the input to channels.conf

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mchou:

tcpsyn: I dunno what dope you're smoking

[04:38:28]

tcpsyn:

.....

[04:38:31]

tcpsyn:

what am I missing.

[04:38:35]

tcpsyn:

what don't I understand.

[04:38:40]

mchou:

the instructions are simple and clear

[04:38:58]

tcpsyn:

When I run mythfilldatabase... it fills the database with the everything from zap2it

[04:39:09]

mchou:

"From there you can trim down your channels.conf and follow the directions found in Adding QAM Channels For HDTV Tuner Cards"

[04:39:13]

tcpsyn:

along with 250 undefined channels that don't work.

[04:39:36]

mchou:

dude, you dont use mythfilldb

[04:39:43]

mchou:

you use xmltv

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tcpsyn:

oh.

[04:39:54]

tcpsyn:

thanks!

[04:39:55]

mchou:

follow the goddamn instructions

[04:39:57]

tcpsyn:

that's what I was missing.

[04:40:55]

tcpsyn:

where do the goddamn instructions say that?

[04:41:27]

tcpsyn:

because the doc you sent me, that I've read at least three times says this:

[04:41:30]

tcpsyn:

Adding a lineup on zap2it

[04:41:33]

tcpsyn:

First, I logged onto zap2it and added a second lineup for my HD programming that I have in my channels.conf file. In my case, this was covered by the Local Broadcast lineup but you may need to use a Digital Cable option if you have additional channels.

[04:41:44]

tcpsyn:

I followed the instructions.

[04:41:54]

tcpsyn:

I made a digital cable profile at zap2it

[04:42:05]

tcpsyn:

I selected the channels I wanted.

[04:42:09]

tcpsyn:

I followed the instructions.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: apparently you dont understand the concept of "frequency"

[04:43:44]

mchou:

tcpsyn: read the part on "Manually adding channels"

[04:44:26]

tcpsyn:

Once this was completed, I ran mythfilldatabase and it downloaded all the program data for my channels as well as created the appropriate entires in the dtv_multiplex table and the channel table.

[04:44:31]

tcpsyn:

ok

[04:45:11]

mchou:

ypur hannels.conf file after running scan.sh should be no more than 20 lines

[04:45:24]

mchou:

your channels.conf(

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tcpsyn:

... it's 250.

[04:46:24]

mchou:

lol

[04:46:33]

mchou:

dont be frigging stupid

[04:46:42]

tcpsyn:

it's a different scan.sh

[04:46:53]

mchou:

in the dirctory found you should have no more than 20 files

[04:47:06]

mchou:

directory*

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tcpsyn:

yeah, I was running scan.sh from one of the offshoot links.

[04:49:34]

mchou:

I wrote a script long ago that did this all in one pass, based on just stuff you selected from zap2it

[04:49:41]

mchou:

quick and easy

[04:50:03]

mchou:

unfortunately I've lost that script

[04:50:34]

mchou:

even this documentation is lame

[04:50:42]

tcpsyn:

I told you.

[04:50:50]

tcpsyn:

I'm not completely retarded.

[04:50:54]

tcpsyn:

Just a little.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: the documentation being lame is orthogonal to you being retarted. the docs can be lame and you can still be retarded

[04:52:01]

mchou:

which I strongly suspect is the case here

[04:52:34]

tcpsyn:

Well, I do have the prepencity to be a bit gregarious at times.

[04:53:18]

tcpsyn:

now, when this says its going to take some time, do you think it means a half hour, or go to bed?

[04:53:22]

mchou:

the world would be a much simpler place if ppl just learned to script or program.

[04:53:40]

tcpsyn:

that's a ridiculous statement.

[04:53:43]

mchou:

tcpsyn: I dont know which part you're referring to

[04:53:49]

tcpsyn:

the scan.sh

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mchou:

there are at least 2 scan.sh

[04:54:13]

mchou:

which one are you referring to?

[04:54:50]

mchou:

there is one that suggests you spend some quality time with your wife :)

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tcpsyn:

the other.

[04:55:07]

mchou:

beats me

[04:55:17]

tcpsyn:

shitty.

[04:55:45]

tcpsyn:

I don't see how you can say this is simple.

[04:55:53]

mchou:

dumping mpegs is just lame

[04:56:01]

mchou:

there is no need to do that

[04:56:21]

tcpsyn:

then tell me what to do, since following the goddamn instructions isn't working out so well.

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mchou:

it's simple because I wrote a 25 line script to do all this w/o dumping mpegs

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tcpsyn:

what'd the script do instead?

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mchou:

it basically d/l data with xmltv, did some simple merging with channels.conf, and inserted all the "right stuff" in the db automagically

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tcpsyn:

yeah, this whole document says use zap2it

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mchou:

no since I use a STB with firewire I lost the script

[04:59:13]

tcpsyn:

First off, since myth can tell by the c flag that the channel is encrypted, I'd think it would be quick and easy to do a scan of everything that didn't have that.

[04:59:18]

tcpsyn:

without dumping mpegs.

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mchou:

no need for all these stupid wikis if I still had my script

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tcpsyn:

why isn't your script on the wiki then

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mchou:

cause I dispise wikis

[05:00:11]

mchou:

populated by ppl who cant script or program

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mchou:

:)

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tcpsyn:

well, since your so good, recreate your script and send it to me :)

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mchou:

no. that will take up too much of my time

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mchou:

not to mention testing

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tcpsyn:

simple.

[05:01:19]

mchou:

it is simple

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tcpsyn:

Yeah, I see that.

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mchou:

25 lines in the script

[05:01:43]

tcpsyn:

the magical script that no longer exists.

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mchou:

well, certainly not more than 50

[05:01:58]

Beirdo:

aka vaporware

[05:02:30]

mchou:

nope, I gave it to xris. I dont think it's vaporware

[05:02:44]

tcpsyn:

this is retarded. I'm not waiting all night for mpegs.

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mchou:

iirc xris still has it on his site

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Beirdo:

ahh, it's likely somewhere then

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mchou:

which is why I didnt keep the script

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xris:

what script?

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mchou:

myself, that is

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tcpsyn:

what was it called?

[05:03:33]

tcpsyn:

maybe it's up on google somewhere

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mchou:

I forget what I even called it.

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tcpsyn:

alright.

[05:04:15]

tcpsyn:

I'm cancelling this shit.

[05:04:20]

tcpsyn:

Can you help me make it work?

[05:04:27]

tcpsyn:

Or should I just mess with it until it does.

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mchou:

xris: it's the shell script that populated mythdb with clear qam channels, which you later converted to perl

[05:05:07]

NightMonkey:

Is it hdtvscan2dd.pl?

[05:05:23]

mchou:

yeah, something like that

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xris:

NightMonkey: that's the only thing I can think of that comes close to what he's talking about

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NightMonkey:

Here's the result of a half-assed googling: http://www.threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-users/msg08793.html

[05:05:57]

NightMonkey:

(See quoted message)

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tcpsyn:

mchou is that what you're talking about?

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mchou:

yeah, I think so

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mchou:

dunno if it still works

[05:08:25]

mchou:

maybe dd changed the format, that would render it useless

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tcpsyn:

is dd zap2it?

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mchou:

but you guys can figure it out

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mchou:

i.e. mod the script to your needs

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xris:

tcpsyn: dd is a service offered by TMS through zap2it.

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Beirdo:

for about 3.5 more weeks or so

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mchou:

Beirdo: haha

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mchou:

tcpsyn: count yourself lucky that dd and the script still exists :)

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xris:

Beirdo: no

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xris:

dd is the for-pay version of labs

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Beirdo:

no?

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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xris:

schedulesdirect is using dd

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tcpsyn:

damn.

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tcpsyn:

I don't have dd yet then.

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Beirdo:

OK. well, the dd we currently use is only for 3.5 weeks then

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Beirdo:

hehe

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xris:

people got confused on the terms because labs used the same xml format as dd

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mchou:

tcpsyn: well, count yourself lucky that dd is still free

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Beirdo:

Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com.

[05:13:55]

Beirdo:

and that compounds the confusion :)

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xris:

yeah

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tcpsyn:

xris, so does this script work still?

[05:14:28]

tcpsyn:

heh

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xris:

tcpsyn: the hdtv one? not a clue

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mchou:

tcpsyn: it's time for you to be the guinea pig

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xris:

mythtv is supposed to do most of that automatically now

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Beirdo:

mmmm. guinea pig...

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tcpsyn:

xris, it scans all the channels, but it doesn't name them, or get listing data

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mchou:

tcpsyn: not naming is a local quirk

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HReadren:

tcpsyn, another good script for some of this is here: http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ , specifically : http://www.tux.org/~peterw/linux/qamscan.sh.txt

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xris:

tcpsyn: there's a way in mythtv-setup to get it to figure out how to connect the zap2it channels with the scanned ones.

[05:17:18]

xris:

last time I messed with it, it was pretty automatic. just scanned, said I was using zap2it, and it worked

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tcpsyn:

then mchou is right, I am retarded.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: there you go

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tcpsyn:

Because I've been doing this for 12 hours.

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xris:

tcpsyn: but that was a LONG time ago, so I may have done something differently.

[05:19:18]

HReadren:

A lot of how well this works within Myth depends on how accurate / how much PSIP data is being sent by your cable company. If they are sending missing stuff, many things will not work properly.

[05:19:25]

mchou:

yup, it feels eons ago

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mchou:

surprising how well firewire works :)

[05:20:54]

mchou:

I'm kind of surprised that Boston wouldnt have PSIP working correctly......

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tcpsyn:

maybe I'm scanning incorrectly

[05:21:22]

tcpsyn:

and I'm not in Boston, I'm in one of the suburbs.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: dude, you have a data direct acct?

[05:21:31]

tcpsyn:

just zap2it

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mchou:

same deal for now

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tcpsyn:

then yes.

[05:22:07]

tcpsyn:

I do.

[05:22:22]

mchou:

then do myth scan as xris suggests

[05:22:32]

mchou:

maybe it will work for you

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tcpsyn:

I'll try it again.

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mchou:

otherwise try the perl script

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tcpsyn:

It gets the channels.

[05:22:53]

tcpsyn:

just doesn't match them up with dd

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HReadren:

If it doesn't, try the qamscan.sh scripts link I sent. That will automatically create a channels.conf with only the unencrypted channels. Due to a lack of PSIP data, you might need to manually name them, but that's pretty easy.

[05:24:22]

tcpsyn:

yeah, as long as theres only the unencrypted ones.

[05:24:23]

tcpsyn:

cool.

[05:24:23]

tcpsyn:

thanks

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HReadren:

Once you get a really good channels.conf that works outside of myth, you can just import it in and you should be fine. That's at least one way to do it that I have found successful where you've had to deal with crap PSIP data.

[05:24:25]

tcpsyn:

I'll try both

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HReadren:

Is this HD-Homerun or direct PCI/USB card?

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tcpsyn:

pci

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tcpsyn:

pchdtv-5500

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HReadren:

OK, might have better luck scanning. Last time I tried scanning with HD-Homerun there were issues with that as well. Don't know if those were fixed, but that's irrelevant for you then.

[05:27:38]

tcpsyn:

Do I want to use zap2it, or xmltv?

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HReadren:

zap2it.

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HReadren:

The other watch out can be all of the music channels. These can cause confusion as well in some cases. In the channels.conf route, you can just eliminate them. They are usually easy to identify, frequently running 20+ channels on a single frequeny.

[05:30:08]

Beirdo:

hmmm.

[05:30:17]

Beirdo:

how do I know if EIT is working?

[05:30:38]

mchou:

turn on the TV

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Beirdo:

I don't have a frontend running right now

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mchou:

if it ids the station then it's working :)

[05:31:13]

Beirdo:

ahhh, I see stuff in the log

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Beirdo:

heh

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mchou:

I mean the program

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Beirdo:

running the backend with -v most. just saw some EIT stuff fly by

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Beirdo:

my reception is sucky, so it may not work too well... yet

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tcpsyn:

it's still adding channels like 75#2

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tcpsyn:

oh shit

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tcpsyn:

some of them are getting named.

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mchou:

lol

[05:34:00]

tcpsyn:

I scanned cable instead of cable-irc

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mchou:

tcpsyn: I told you you were retarded

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odd:

hello. I am currently in need of assistance. My mythtv setup keeps telling me that card 0 tuner() is set for channel 3.1 which isn't a channel. But I change the channel to something else and it still tells me that. I am sad :(

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tcpsyn:

mchou, I agree now. But it's not because I didn't follow the documentation.

[05:34:32]

tcpsyn:

give me that at least.

[05:34:42]

mchou:

tcpsyn: I'm more accurate than Dr. House in my diagnosis

[05:34:47]

mchou:

:)

[05:35:06]

tcpsyn:

And ever so eloquent.

[05:35:17]

tcpsyn:

And you didn't kill me 3 times before you got it right.

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Beirdo:

got about the same bedside manner though

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mchou:

Princeton should drop Dr. House and just hire me instead :)

[05:35:46]

mchou:

Beirdo: eveybody lies

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tcpsyn:

it named some of them. But alot of them are like 82#6

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tcpsyn:

are those the music channels?

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mchou:

tcpsyn: I'm sure that can be arranged if you'd like the true House experience

[05:38:07]

tcpsyn:

what does it mean by "No Tables"

[05:38:14]

tcpsyn:

some channels say no tables.

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mchou:

tcpsyn: prbably means you didnt select those channels in zap2it

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tcpsyn:

I selected them all.

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mchou:

no dude, meaning those are encrypted

[05:39:26]

tcpsyn:

the encrypted ones say encrypted

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mchou:

tcpsyn: beats me then

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tcpsyn:

heh

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tcpsyn:

hope it works

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Beirdo:

well, it sees the PAT and PMT data.

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Beirdo:

that's a good start.

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NightMonkey:

So, will the SD stuffs require a bump to the 0.21 branch stuffs, or will it be backported to 0.20-fixes? Or something else entirely?

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mchou:

damn, missed the thai temple

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Beirdo:

I think I might chat with stuarta about this EIT stuff tomorrow ;)

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tcpsyn:

mythfilldatabase is taking an awful long time.

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tcpsyn:

it's been over an hour

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

in trying to tweak my craptacular antenna for better reception, I made it worse

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tcpsyn:

it's gonna suck if it doesn't work.

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Beirdo:

the hell with it for tonight

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Beirdo:

tomorrow, I'm gonna try scanning the cable TV, I think... even if it means my cable modem will be offline for the duration ;)

[06:23:33]

tcpsyn:

get a splitter

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Beirdo:

no shit sherlock :)

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Beirdo:

easier to test by disconnecting the internet

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Beirdo:

if that works, THEN I'll get a splitter

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Beirdo:

if it doesn't no need

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Beirdo:

either way... bed

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Beirdo:

wish I had my good UHF/VHF amp here.

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Beirdo:

but bed.

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tcpsyn:

Do I want to use cable, digital cable, or broadcast?

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tcpsyn:

for dd listings?

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Dagmar:

How should we know

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Dagmar:

What do you have?

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tcpsyn:

I have the digital starter, but the brodcast profile looks more like the actual channels I have.

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tcpsyn:

I'm wondering if that's not the digital listings

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tcpsyn:

I just called comcast to check on my service and see what channels were unencrypted.

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tcpsyn:

After she told me that she didn't know what that meant, she went and checked with someone, and told me all of the channels are encrypted.

[07:23:31]

tcpsyn:

I said, that's funny, because I'm watching one right now.

[07:23:48]

tcpsyn:

But at least I know that I have the comcast digital starter package

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Me`Shel:

hey, i cant seem to get mp4 to work with mythvideo

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Me`Shel:

any ideas as to why? :\

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Anduin:

Me`Shel: Work with?

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Me`Shel:

mythvideo

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Me`Shel:

i have an mp4 video that wont play in mythvideo

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Me`Shel:

im using gentoo, and i'm pretty sure i set all the mp4 use flags

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Anduin:

Me`Shel: Which actual player is being used?

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Me`Shel:

oh sorry

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Me`Shel:

internal

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Anduin:

Me`Shel: Should check the frontend log to see if it is having a problem

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Me`Shel:

well

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Me`Shel:

its having rougly a billion problems

[07:33:10]

Me`Shel:

2007-08–09 09:26:40.050 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.

[07:33:12]

Me`Shel:

thats the error

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Me`Shel:

and its the same thing like thousands of times

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Anduin:

There should be something stream or codec releated

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Me`Shel:

how do i monitor a file for changes again?

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Anduin:

Me`Shel: You could tail -f the log file

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Me`Shel:

thanks thats what it was :)

[07:36:04]

Me`Shel:

ookay lets see

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Me`Shel:

2007-08–09 09:39:25.602 AFD Error: Could not find decoder for codec (AAC), ignoring.

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Me`Shel:

which doesnt make any sense

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Me`Shel:

because i have that use flag set

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Me`Shel:

[ebuild R ] media-libs/xine-lib-1.1.4-r2 USE="X a52 aac alsa dvd flac ipv6 mad nls opengl samba sdl theora truetype vcd vorbis win32codecs xinerama xv xvmc -aalib (-altivec) -arts -debug -directfb -dts -dxr3 -esd -fbcon -gnome -gtk -imagemagick -libcaca -mmap -mng -modplug -musepack -oss -pulseaudio -speex -v4l -vidix -wavpack -xcb" 0 kB

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Anduin:

Me`Shel: MythTV doesn't use xine libs, but MPEG4AAC should be enabled

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Me`Shel:

the mythtv package doesnt have an aac flag :(

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Anduin:

Me`Shel: Yeah, well unless Gentoo does something, it makes the codec list by grepping and basically enabling everything in the included ffmpeg libs.

[07:42:22]

Me`Shel:

ooh

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Me`Shel:

i still have no idea how to fix it

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Me`Shel:

hah

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Anduin:

You should find some free mpeg4 file that fails that someone else can look in to.

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** juski wonders whose ADSL to get when he dumps Virgin Media **

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Ribs:

why are you dumping virgin media?

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juski:

because their DNS servers & transparent caches are shite

[10:12:26]

juski:

oh and their TV service is poo aswell

[10:13:25]

juski:

and despite bringing in traffic shaping to curtain excessive users (or because of) – my internet access has actually *slowed* down since they 'upgraded' their infrastructure

[10:13:50]

anykey_:

maybe they're shaping you?

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juski:

I'm not downloading enough for that

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Ribs:

have you complained about it?

[10:14:47]

juski:

nah I'm just gonna walk.

[10:15:07]

quicksilver:

juski: FWIW, freedom2surf have been fine for me

[10:15:17]

juski:

though whether or not I'll end up with a better service when I leave is debatable

[10:15:24]

quicksilver:

juski: 15/month, 8Meg, and I can actually download about about 600KB/sec from good sites

[10:15:44]

juski:

oh I get good speeds, when the domain name eventually resolves

[10:15:47]

quicksilver:

I've not needed to use their customer support, so I can't really speak for it. It's just all worked.

[10:15:55]

jduggan:

juski: use opendns?

[10:16:06]

juski:

why the hell should I?

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jduggan:

shouldnt have to

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jduggan:

but if its purely DNS

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jduggan:

:O

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juski:

seems to be DNS issues. pages load super quick once the name resolves.. you can actually time it (or time out)

[10:17:36]

jduggan:

try dumping the virgin nameservers

[10:17:44]

jduggan:

but ur right about their cache

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jduggan:

it causes havoc

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juski:

and there's no way to bypass that AFAIK

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jduggan:

not without some kungfoo

[10:18:30]

juski:

might try opendns anyway – something else to expand my mind with

[10:19:27]

juski:

hang on – it's not an actual domain server.. lol

[10:19:47]

juski:

I mean not a daemon to run on my machine.. seems like yu just point your network at it

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jduggan:

yea

[10:20:06]

jduggan:

its just alternative nameservers

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juski:

wait a ferkin minute here

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jduggan:

you could always set up bind locally

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juski:

just VNC'd in on my linux machine, names are resolving very fast and properly 1st time

[10:20:49]

juski:

lemme try something

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juski:

ffs! it's the fault of my desktop

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jduggan:

heh

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juski:

wtf is windows doing to DNS I wonder? :-\

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KaZeR:

is it possible to have mythbackend logged via the standard syslog?

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juski:

KaZeR: you could end up with a very very full syslog

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juski:

it's no great inconvenience to have a separate log is it?

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KaZeR:

in fact i'm setting u pa centralized syslog server. and i'd like my mythbackend logs to be logged there too, because i have a filter which can check if everything goes fine on every server of the lan

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KaZeR:

so on the local machine, i don't mind having it separate. it's even better for readability

[10:42:02]

KaZeR:

but having this monitored too could be useful

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juski:

can the log monitor not look after mythtv's log as well?

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KaZeR:

currently it's a standard syslog-ng daemon

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juski:

it'd be a pretty lame log monitoring tool if you couldn't make it look at other locations too

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KaZeR:

so it does not pull the logs

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KaZeR:

at worst a pipe could maybe work, using the "logger" utility

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juski:

jees. somebody else has handed their notice in here. there's gonna be nobody left on this floor if this keeps up

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juski:

"Conclusion: Your knowledge of the materials at this skill level is spotty". bah humbug

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laga_:

what knowledge?

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juski:

RHEL essentials – got a score of 30.

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juski:

a bit poo really, but maybe not bad considering I've never really looked under the bonnet of RHEL

[12:02:12]

juski:

and that was being honest, not cheating

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laga_:

heh

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laga_:

got an URL?

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Dagmar:

30?

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Dagmar:

Ouch

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juski:

yeah I've never claimed to be any kind of expert. I know enough to get by with what I do – never needed to know anything else so it figures

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juski:

and linux is just a hobby at the moment

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juski:

I def. want out of electronics. never wanted to be in it in the 1st place

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juski:

plus, I wouldn't mind leaving this job. I've never left a job of my own free will before :)

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Funny, I want to get more into electronics myself hehe

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juski:

electronics is for losers

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juski:

unless you get into embedded design, but increasingly you have to wear many hats – hardware, software, OS design.. it's ludicrous

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juski:

I suppose if you're not in the UK, it might be ok to go into electronics from something else ;)

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juski:

in the part of the world I live in, if this company goes titsup, I'd have to move to stay in work, or else change vocation completely

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juski:

anyway I'm kinda fed up with living in this part of the UK anyway. don't want my kids growing up with stupid accents & being ignorant mardy-arsed mancs :-P

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GreyFoxx:

juski: heh

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GreyFoxx:

Where would you move to ?

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juski:

back to my native homeland. not saying it's any better for kids to grow up there but at least we'll not be hundreds of miles from family

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juski:

one thing I still consider is giving up the day job altogether & taking up DJing full-time. not sure I could hack 5 or 6 nights a week of that though

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juski:

that's only something you can find out by actually doing it

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juski:

actually on my last wage I'd only have to work 3 nights to make what I earn now

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laga_:

taking up DJing full time sounds loike mid-life criss to me ;)

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** laga_ runs for cover **

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juski:

I've felt this way about living & working here for a couple of years now

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juski:

so Manchester's more cosmopolitan than Newcastle. That's as much a bad thing as it is a good thing. Think ghettos in Oldham, etc. I also haven't heard many stories about shootings in my home locality on national news either (unlike Manchester)

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juski:

oh yeah I know what you're thinking.. I suppose that rules out going to for for Manchester Tourist Board too :D

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juski:

s/for for/work for

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laga_:

heh ;)

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GreyFoxx:

juski: What is your "homeland" Not from the UK originally ?

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen you reference Germany or German websites enough I thought you might be from there :)

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Merlin83b:

juski: Newcastle's your native homeland.

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Merlin83b:

juski: You'd have to think that DJing 4 or 5 nights a week in the Manchester area would allow you to live in Cheshire and be free from the dange of kids developing annoying accents.

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Merlin83b:

I'd actually be interested to know where kids get their accents from – parents or peers?

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Dagmar:

Peers mostly

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Dagmar:

I knew some kids in school whose parents were both limeys

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Dagmar:

You'd never have known it from talking to them

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Dagmar:

...although it's also heavily dependent on how the child wants to sound when they talk.

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juski:

Merlin83b: DJ in manchest-uh? to the prissiest poseurs this side of the atlantic? pfft!

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Merlin83b:

Surely the prissiest poseurs pay more to get in to clubs though, possibly translating to higher DJ pay?

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juski:

usually translates to them being utter miserable c***s who can't have a good time without cocaine

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Dagmar:

...and cocaine means less money to pay the DJ with

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juski:

no it just means customers who are even bigger assholes to the DJ

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Merlin83b:

I don't think the clubs pay for the cocaine, Dagmar ;-)

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Dagmar:

THis is why it means less money for the DJ

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juski:

still, laga_ might have a point. I'm 35 – maybe getting on for too old

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Dagmar:

If the DJ got a cut of the coke money like the club managers do, it would be another matter

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juski:

yeah I was never the kind of disc spinner who dealt as a sideline

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juski:

Â£30-Â£40 an hour is nice enough money to make as a hobby

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Dagmar:

I need bennies

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juski:

I still maintain that if stacking supermarket shelves would pay the bills, I'd just go do that

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Dagmar:

Preferably redheaded ones

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jams:

people still care about him?

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juski:

still releasing music, so he must die :)

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juski:

damn I'm in such a happy mood today

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bobbob1016:

I read on the wiki that HDTV can be a complicated thing to setup here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV . If I'm only watching HD that I have recorded, not that I am planning on recording, and I have my mythtv hooked up to an HDTV, is it still hard to setup?

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adante:

hey

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adante:

if i wanted to compile logs/info for devs about memory leakage in myth, what should I be doing?

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markl_:

is anyone here familiar with a good remote control setup for mythtv (that can also handle receiver & dish pvr & tv

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TUplink1:

when using record priorties...... will a program with repord priorty 99 record b4 one with -99

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Merlin83b:

TUplink1: Yes, higher number is higher priority.

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TUplink1:

ok...

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Merlin83b:

I don't like those dots.

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TUplink1:

thats what i thought... it kind of seemes backwards...

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Merlin83b:

Sounds like something broken is about to be reported...

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Merlin83b:

That seems backwards?

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Merlin83b:

Only to someone who's been using unix/linux for too long :)

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TUplink1:

like 1 priorty is TOP priorty in life

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TUplink1:

but i have found that works 99 is the highest priorty

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Merlin83b:

Yes, higher number is higher priority.

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Merlin83b:

Seems quite logical to me!

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TUplink1:

but think if your boss tells you its a number one priorty...

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TUplink1:

you get that done first

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Merlin83b:

I see where you're coming from, but in MythTV higher number is higher priority :)

[15:08:03]

TUplink1:

yea i know....

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TUplink1:

where can you make sugestions for feuter feature...

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Merlin83b:

The wiki, I guess.

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Merlin83b:

Or fix it yourself and submit a patch in trac.

[15:09:11]

TUplink1:

im not a programer....

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Merlin83b:

That "feature" is likely not to get implemented, though.

[15:09:21]

Merlin83b:

(imho)

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Merlin83b:

Good time to learn!

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TUplink1:

i think it would be kool tohave a Sleep feature ..... like i have the tv playing when i go to sleep set it for 1hour then to goes off....

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GreyFoxx:

In myth?

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GreyFoxx:

I thought that existed

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Merlin83b:

So did I, but never used it so I kept quiet :)

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GreyFoxx:

I'm almost positive

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Merlin83b:

ISTR seeing it somewhere, but I don't leave stuff going when I go to bed so it's of no use to me.

[15:11:39]

jams:

not for sure if it goes back to the main menu or just shuts down the machine

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GreyFoxx:

jams: me either I've never actually used it myself

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Merlin83b:

Sounds like TUplink1 shoudl try it out and tell us what happens :)

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jams:

it's in the osd when watching tv/recordings so i would assume ti goes back to the main menu

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TUplink1:

ISTR?

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TUplink1:

i cant find any thing about a sleep feature

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Merlin83b:

I Seem To Recall

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Merlin83b:

Pop the menu up when you're wathching TV or a recording and see if it's there.

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Merlin83b:

So yeah, what jams said :)

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TUplink1:

hell it is

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TUplink1:

k0ol beans

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jams:

ugh stupid imon. their vfd without lirc receiver and their standalong lirc reciever have the same identifing properties.

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gbee:

adante: start by writing an accurate description of the problem, you should probably also look at the troubleshooting section of the docs about using valgrind, but if this above your comfort level, a good description is the only thing you can provide for a mem leak

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gbee:

ignore the bit about valgrind, seems the docs don't actually cover it

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adante:

gbee: hm, thing is i'm not really sure (not being facetious) – all i know is after running myth for a while (anywhere from 2–3 days to several weeks) it starts eating up more and more memory

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adante:

when i killed it just then it was using 600 meg of resident memory

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adante:

i've been told there's not way to accurately measure an applications real memory footprint, which is fair enough

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jams:

adante- what did you kill.. mythfrontend or mythbackend ?

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adante:

but all i know is that after killing myth and restarting it, my computer stopped thrashing (and i do this semi-frequently as needed)

[15:26:00]

adante:

jams: mythbackend

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adante:

as for valgrind... i faintly remember using it for some 'toy' code many moons ago :]

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gbee:

valgrinding really slow leaks is difficult, if not impossible

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jams:

adante- don't know what version your running, but there has been work on mythbackend to plug some leaks

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adante:

jams: trunk at the moment (please don't yell at me:)

[15:28:07]

adante:

i tried logging as well but unfortunately a few days of backend running produces some truely gigantic logs

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jams:

adante- do you use eit?

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adante:

jams: eit is on-air epg info?

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jams:

i suppose thats one way of saying it

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adante:

not that i know of (i use a scraper for my guide data, if myth is doing something eit-ish in the background, i'm not aware of it)

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jams:

ok.

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jams:

i'm out of ideas =)

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gbee:

adante: do you have any uPnP devices on your network?

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adante:

gbee: yeah most likely

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adante:

gbee: wag54g has upnp, and no doubt there are various random apps running that try to use upnp

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gbee:

the uPnP code has been known to leak, a lot but it seems worse when there is another uPnP device on the network, the chatter between it and mythtv exposes a leak somewhere

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adante:

if it helps, my completely-uninformed speculation is that this leakage is somehow related to poor dvb reception

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Dagmar:

Try some coding caulk.

[15:34:14]

adante:

gbee: hm, any idea if it'd be enough to leak a few hundred meg?

[15:34:43]

adante:

anyway i'm logging with [important,dvb,eit,libav] now.. will try to check memory usage and get a small log for the future

[15:35:09]

adante:

my idle and completely uninformed speculation is that this is somehow related to my poor dvb reception.. reckon this is possible?

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gbee:

which version are you running exactly?

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gbee:

adante: I suppose it's possible, though no-one has reported or noticed a leak there yet

[15:36:15]

adante:

gbee: source code version 14126

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adante:

gbee: i should probably note that this has been happening for quite a long time now.. at least 6 months

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chakie:

hm, running a frontend on a fast system which uses a crappy via embedded graphics chip that has no driver except "vesa" isn't fast

[15:37:08]

chakie:

actually it's a moderate slideshow

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gbee:

adante: ok, that was after some recent leak fixes for the upnp code, so although it may still be upnp related it's not a known issue

[15:38:24]

gbee:

adante: you might see if stuarta is interested, he likes debugging memory leaks

[15:38:52]

chakie:

what does mythtv use upnp for? does it provide renderer or storage services?

[15:39:27]

Dagmar:

Mainly, it provides bug reports.

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adante:

haha ok.. does he really like it or are you using the term liberally :]

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chakie:

Dagmar: heh, nice

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gbee:

adante: he loves valgrind, but it's a secret affair so he may deny it publically ;)

[15:41:49]

adante:

ha

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adante:

i'll bug him next time he hops online

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gbee:

more seriously, he's the only dev who regularly uses valgrind, I can't promise he will want to debug your problem though

[15:42:52]

adante:

yeah no worries

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adante:

i'm not that hassled, having lived with it for however long

[15:43:20]

adante:

well.. i am, but i'm not

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adante:

just figured i should see if there was an easy way to figure out why it does

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gbee:

otherwise just open a ticket, you'll probably be asked a lot of questions if someone accepts the ticket so just be prepared

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gbee:

adante: for what it's worth, my backends haven't shown any signs of leaking, like you I'm a DVB user, with EIT and mfdb, I don't have any uPnP devices, I use mythweb and regularly view the status page though it (that used to leak but was fixed)

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adante:

gbee: righto.. hows your reception?

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adante:

my reception is abysmal, to the point where some shows are not being recorded (3 cards running off a single rabbit ears)

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gbee:

adante: usually pretty good, although there were some atmospheric related problems recently and I even managed to accidently disconnect the aerial from one backend

[16:13:49]

adante:

i figured it was my reception which made my situation unique.. and as i'm sure it is not an obvious leak (or many more users would be complaining about it), i thought maybe these were related.. if that makes sense

[16:13:54]

adante:

but yeah, total speculation

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laga_:

gbee: i get this error when compiling mythplugins in a feisty chroot. the same source tree is fine in a gutsy chroot. do you know what would be the cause? http://www.pastebin.ca/651250

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Beirdo:

well...

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Beirdo:

survey says... Liberty Cablevision is using QAM64

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gbee:

laga_: have you done a make install of mythtv before compiling the plugins? M_QSTRING_UNICODE was only defined in libmyth recently and you won't be able to compile mythmusic without a recent version of libmyth installed

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Beirdo:

I can tune around 100 channels, but the only ones that aren't encrypted are: all the music channels, one preview channel that loops a single preview... and one internal channel with stupid text ads

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laga_:

gbee: gah, you're right. i've got some stales packaes around. sorry for wasting your time :)

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Beirdo:

useless

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Beirdo:

the others show as needing a CAM, which of course... Liberty wouldn't give me in a million years

[16:26:12]

Beirdo:

other than in the form of another crappy cable box

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Beirdo:

and we can't even get them to give us a second one of those

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Beirdo:

Network_ID: 1 (0x0001) [= Astra Satellite Network 19.2E / Satellite / SES]

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Beirdo:

interesting... well, I think I know what they use as one of their sources :)

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traar:

Hello all...Since my upgrade to Fedora 7 and myth version 0.20.20060828–4, I am no longer able to create ISOs from mytharchive. Native archives work. The error reported led me to this solution on the MythTV-Users mailing list: I need to downgrade mjpegtools.

[16:35:53]

traar:

Unfortunately, after four hours of trying, I am still not having success.

[16:36:55]

traar:

I couldn't get it to work following the approach suggested on the list (rpm -Uhv...)

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juski:

sounds like a classic case of fedora dependency hell

[16:39:41]

traar:

By using the URL as indicated, I got an error indicating that glob could not find the file, and when I tried d/l the package and installing locally it also failed due to it being 64 bit?

[16:40:14]

traar:

By that, I mean it still didn't work with RPM, so I used yum localinstall

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juski:

ah the joys of allowing automagical updates

[16:41:24]

traar:

juski, yes well as a noob, I'm at the packager / distro's mercy

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juski:

yeh well to a certain degree we're all at the mercy of packages & distros

[16:54:10]

Dagmar:

Speak for yourself.

[16:54:38]

xris:

juski: new request: hand-drawn favicon with a solid-color bg (white is fine)..

[16:55:27]

Beirdo:

hmmm, any EIT experts in?

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chakie:

i just compiled the plugins package and started to wonder wether mythtv via some plugin can play raw VIDEO_TS directories, ie ripped dvd:s

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juski:

xris: hand-drawn?

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xris:

juski: bitmap is better than raster for tiny artwork like that

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juski:

raster == bitmap

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traar:

Well, when I tried to yum remove the current mjpegtools, it wanted to remove all dependencies (e.g. mythtv-suite), so I cancelled that and removed the current mjpegtools with rpm

[17:03:29]

traar:

like this: # rpm -e --nodeps mjpegtools

[17:03:50]

traar:

which worked, so now I have no package installed

[17:05:04]

traar:

then I tried to install as shown in the MythTV mailing list thread using # rpm -Uhv --oldpackage http://people.atrpms.net/~pcavalcanti/srpms/m . . . .lcg.src.rpm

[17:05:34]

traar:

and I got this response: error: File not found by glob: http://people.atrpms.net/~pcavalcanti/srpms/m . . . .lcg.src.rpm

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jams:

traar- Might be easier to download that pkg with wget, install it, then build the rpm from the spec file and install it

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traar:

jams, thanks, I did try that (I think). When I untarred the package and compiled, it looked like it was working but did not (hundreds of lines of output) but no success.

[17:10:46]

traar:

jams, By that, I mean I'm a bit out of my element if the compile doesn't work

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jams:

untar? no need todo that

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jams:

rpm -i mjpegtools-1.9.0–14_rc2.fc6.lcg.src.rpm will install the src rpm

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jams:

then find the spec file somwhere in /usr/src/

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jams:

is that what you did?

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laga_:

don't build as root

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jams:

laga_- ?

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traar:

I was root :/

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traar:

It seemed necessary

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traar:

Here's what I did (per the suggestion in the list):

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laga_:

jams: AFAIK you should never build as root. imagine there was a rm -rf ${FOO}/ in the spec and $FOO was not declared

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traar:

# rpm -Uhv --oldpackage /home/mythtv/Desktop/mjpegtools-1.9.0–14_rc2.fc6.lcg.src.rpm

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traar:

that gave these lines of output:

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jams:

laga_- sure. just wondering what prmpted you to say that.

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jams:

perhaps it was just random advice =)

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traar:

1:mjpegtools warning: user roma does not exist – using root

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traar:

warning: group roma does not exist – using root

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traar:

########################################### [100%]

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jams:

traar- use pastebin

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traar:

warning: user roma does not exist – using root

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traar:

jams, sorry, what's that?

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jams:

traar- http://pastebin.ca

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jams:

you can paste your lines there, without flooding us and possibly getting yourself kicked

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jams:

after you hit submit, it will give you a url that you can then paste here

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traar:

:-) Sorry. Okay, thanks (not wanting to get kicked)

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Beirdo:

!seen stuarta

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MythLogBot:

stuarta was last seen 20 hours 55 minutes 23 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

dang

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traar:

jams, here's what I was trying to put up: http://pastebin.ca/651338

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Beirdo:

!seen janneg

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MythLogBot:

janneg is here and has been idle for 2 days 18 hours 52 minutes 21 seconds

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Beirdo:

hey, janneg, you happen to be near the computer? :)

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traar:

jams, That's a re-creation of some of my steps (I had to copy them to a file and scp them to this box)

[17:21:31]

jams:

sure

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jams:

any reason your installing the src rpm instead of the binary rpm?

[17:21:56]

jams:

after you install the src.rpm you will still need to compile it

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gbee:

chakie: mythvideo

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traar:

http://bugzilla.atrpms.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 shows what I was trying to do

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traar:

though it didn't work so I tried pulling it down locally

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traar:

Can you guess I don't know what I'm doing? :-)

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jams:

http://people.atrpms.net/~pcavalcanti/rpms/rp . . . lcg.i386.rpm t

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jams:

grab that rpm and try to install it

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jams:

it should be a compiled version of what your attempting to install

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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traar:

jams, okay, thought I had but I'll try again now...please stand by (different box)

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gbee:

Beirdo: what's the problem? I probably can't help but you never know

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xris:

for those who haven't noticed: http://schedulesdirect.org/

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xris:

(pricing)

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Beirdo:

heh

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gbee:

OMG, zap2it are stopping listings!

[17:26:53]

Beirdo:

Well, I KNOW that my ATSC OTA channel has EIT

[17:27:00]

Beirdo:

but myth so far can't find it

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gbee:

ok, that joke is too old

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Beirdo:

it's in transports 0x100B, 0x100C, etc

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Beirdo:

Hmmm

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gbee:

Beirdo: how did you get the channels? I assume you know that channels.conf lacks the necessary info for EIT?

[17:28:14]

Beirdo:

I did a scan

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Beirdo:

in mythtv-setup

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Beirdo:

HOWEVER, I had bad signal at the time

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Beirdo:

I just rescanned with better signal, perhaps that filled in the rest of the needed details?

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juski:

xris: favicon as good as done

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gbee:

Beirdo: I can't really help much, I know a little of DVB EIT but not the differences in ATSC

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xris:

juski: thx

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Beirdo:

in particular, the minor and major chan for atsc in the db is no longer all 0

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Beirdo:

let me try this.

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traar:

jams, You Rock!, Of course, that worked. Thanks! :-)

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Beirdo:

dvbsnoop definitely shows me data though :)

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Beirdo:

which may be formatted oddly (dunno), but is definitely schedule info

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gbee:

in DVB eit is on pid 0x10 – if it's the same for ATSC then it really should just work imho

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** Beirdo waits for the EIT scanner to kick in **

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traar:

jams, Just wondering why they didn't note that file on the bug report instead of the src version (?)

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Beirdo:

different pid, not sure how to deal with it, maybe it's dealt with already?

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Beirdo:

runnin with -v most...

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Beirdo:

OY

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Beirdo:

there it goes :)

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laga_:

jams: just random advice. i assumed he was about to build it as root ;)

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gbee:

Beirdo: cool

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jams:

traar- no idea..but glad it's working

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jams:

laga_- hehe

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Beirdo:

lets see if it put in any programs

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jams:

probably a true assumption

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Beirdo:

yup :)

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Beirdo:

ahhhh. just needed rescanning with good signal

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traar:

jams, me too. Thank you again (and yes, true assumption) :-)

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Beirdo:

2007-08–09 19:00:00 2007-08–09 21:00:00 PelÃƒÂcula

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Beirdo:

ummm, that looks wrong

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Beirdo:

should be PelÃcula

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gbee:

utf bug

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Beirdo:

(if my crappy accents make it through at all)

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gbee:

Beirdo: it didn't here, but I got the point

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Beirdo:

it was a A~, shoulda been i'

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Beirdo:

if that makes sense to ya :)

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Beirdo:

but at least it's getting data

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Beirdo:

yes, this channel is only Spanish

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Beirdo:

haha

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Beirdo:

House?

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gbee:

Beirdo: it probably just needs a toUTF8() or fromUTF8() somewhere

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Beirdo:

wonder if they have it in spanish

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Beirdo:

likely

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Beirdo:

or my db isn't set properly for UTF8 or something odd like that

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laga_:

Beirdo: database doesn't have to be set to utf-8 AFAIK

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gbee:

most likely toUTF8() as I'm pretty sure all the missing fromUTF8() have now been fixed

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Beirdo:

K. This is SVN as of yesterday or so, I think

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gbee:

nope, in fact setting it to utf8 will probably screw up something

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gbee:

Beirdo: I'll take a look and maybe you can test a patch

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Beirdo:

sure thing

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Beirdo:

it's definitely EIT'ing away now :)

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Beirdo:

138 programs... was empty

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jams:

heh nice one xris "none of the folks who matter expected labs to go way"

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Beirdo:

of course WAPA-WC (the weather channel) has no program info

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xris:

yeah. well, bad wording.. heh

[17:38:50]

xris:

doing too many things at once.

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Beirdo:

I need to install the frontend on me laptop :)

[17:39:37]

jams:

could have been a bit better, but nothing worse then some of the other crap being posted in that thread

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gbee:

xris: what's the reaction to the pricing so far?

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xris:

gbee: pretty positive

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gbee:

just curious, but not curious enough to start reading the -user archives again

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Beirdo:

I'm happy with that as a starting price

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xris:

lots of "yay, me, too!" type stuff

[17:41:24]

jams:

odd enough, thats the same price that lxmsuite had

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Beirdo:

pretty sure I can convince the wifey too. even if it means promising no Starbucks for me :)

[17:41:39]

Beirdo:

hehe

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gbee:

xris: oh well that's good, that lot seem hard to please :)

[17:41:53]

Beirdo:

but really, that's the price of 3 lattes in 3 months :)

[17:42:02]

xris:

gbee: nah, was mainly like 3 people complaining.

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xris:

yay.. I get to schedule interviews.

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Beirdo:

grrrr

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Beirdo:

my NFS is misbehaving again

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Beirdo:

I can't win

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gbee:

Beirdo: it's peanuts really – at least when converted into £s, but then things seem cheaper over there generally

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xris:

now if only I had some time/skills to actually finish this new website.

[17:43:40]

Beirdo:

2007-08–09 13:43:18.125 DTVSM(0): Time Offset: 83.1422

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Beirdo:

OY

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Beirdo:

that's spewing about once a second

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Beirdo:

I think I can reduce my logging level now

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

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Beirdo:

it's scheduled House for me

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oooh. must svn up mythweb.

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laga_:

is this the first time you've been using myth in months?

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Beirdo:

uh, yeah

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Beirdo:

I finally convinced my air2pc to receive something OTA

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Beirdo:

one useless as hell channel :)

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Beirdo:

apache's belching on AuthDigestFile

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Beirdo:

wonder what all I borked in the last year and a bit

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Beirdo:

:)

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laga_:

:)

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laga_:

Beirdo: use AuthUserFile

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laga_:

Beirdo: see mythweb.conf.apache

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Beirdo:

wasn't that previously in .htaccess?

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laga_:

heh

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laga_:

someone needs to read the manual ;)

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Beirdo:

I am, silly

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Beirdo:

oy, this will be painful :) But I like this way better

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Beirdo:

for me, it has to be included from a vhost definition

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i10neorg:

Any pointers to troubleshooting the following problem would be greatly appreciated.

[17:52:51]

i10neorg:

A single dvb/atsc/dtv/hdtv channel has stopped tuning, hanging at "la___".

[17:53:08]

i10neorg:

I'm able to view the channel using mplayer though.

[17:53:25]

i10neorg:

I looked in the channel table, and the numbers there seem correct.

[17:53:43]

i10neorg:

Any hints? Thanks.

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Beirdo:

hmmm. zlib output handler off?

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Beirdo:

oook

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Beirdo:

ooh, mod_deflate

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Beirdo:

never mind

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laga_:

i10neorg: what do the logs say?

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i10neorg:

laga_: Thanks for the reply.

[18:00:45]

i10neorg:

Nothing that looked interesting, but maybe I should crank up the debugging output.

[18:00:49]

i10neorg:

Lemme see...

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laga_:

i10neorg: yup. especially the backend logs

[18:01:33]

i10neorg:

laga_: Okay, lemme do that and get back.

[18:02:17]

i10neorg:

Oh yeah! How do I increase the debug output on the backend? (I'm using debian-multimedia.org's packages)

[18:02:30]

i10neorg:

I'll figure it out...

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laga_:

i10neorg: /etc/default/mythtv-backend

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Beirdo:

there we go

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i10neorg:

laga_: Nice!

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Beirdo:

had to move the LocationMatch sections out of the Directory section for it to load. odd

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i10neorg:

laga_: Wow, "--verbose all" is way too much.

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laga_:

i10neorg: try all,nodatabase

[18:12:26]

i10neorg:

Do you have a recommended verbosity?

[18:12:28]

i10neorg:

Okay.

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Beirdo:

ummm.

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Beirdo:

xris: any idea why all my pixmaps are 0 bytes?

[18:15:41]

Beirdo:

is this a known issue?

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jams:

Beirdo- channel icons?

[18:16:04]

Beirdo:

no, pixmaps of shows

[18:16:20]

jams:

preview images

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Beirdo:

aye

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Beirdo:

in mythweb... they are all 0 bytes

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Beirdo:

backend's running

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jams:

thought it just used the ones that mythbackend creates, but dn't really know

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levi_home:

I'm getting some odd behavior from mythtv & my HDHomeRun. I get a partial lock and no picture when I tune to my Fox channel, and I get a message like this in the backend log: http://pastebin.com/m171835ee

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levi_home:

It looks like it's confusing the Fox station with the ION station.

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levi_home:

But I'm not sure if this is caused by some configuration issue or what.

[18:28:24]

chakie:

gbee: thanks

[18:29:00]

levi_home:

BTW, these channels work just fine using hdhomerun_config and vlc.

[18:29:52]

gbee:

Beirdo: is mythweb on the same machine as the backend?

[18:29:57]

Beirdo:

no

[18:30:10]

Beirdo:

but the directory storing the data is NFS mounted

[18:30:39]

gbee:

ahh

[18:30:51]

sphery:

Beirdo: do you have UPnP enabled? Is there a firewall/router blocking it?

[18:31:03]

Beirdo:

UPnP for what?

[18:31:14]

Beirdo:

and no, it's on the same LAN

[18:31:14]

jams:

oh boy linuxmce redux

[18:31:16]

gbee:

hmm, well mythweb in trunk uses uPnP for the preview images, so check that the port is open

[18:31:25]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[18:31:30]

sphery:

new MythWeb (in trunk) uses UPnP server to get previews

[18:31:32]

Beirdo:

OK, which port? :)

[18:31:59]

sphery:

Is there a router between the MythWeb server and the backend? Might be more than just a port...

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Beirdo:

NO

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Beirdo:

it's the same LAN

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Beirdo:

i.e. 192.168.1.14 is the webserver, 192.168.1.3 is the backend

[18:32:52]

sphery:

OK. Looking for port.

[18:33:12]

floppyears:

hi

[18:33:25]

sphery:

looks like 6544

[18:33:32]

floppyears:

is it possible to have a front-end with no tuner, that receives data wirelessly from the backend ?

[18:33:36]

gbee:

6544

[18:33:39]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 57957#257957

[18:33:43]

floppyears:

is a 802.11g network enough ?

[18:33:55]

kormoc:

floppyears, sometimes, yes, others no

[18:34:00]

sphery:

floppyears: depends on whether you like pauses/glitches in your playback. :)

[18:34:01]

Beirdo:

yup, listening on tcp/6544

[18:34:05]

Dagmar:

Provided you're not surrounded by microwaves and pacemakers and lots of other access points, probably

[18:34:08]

gbee:

floppyears: yes and yes (but maybe no)

[18:34:23]

kormoc:

floppyears, as with all wireless tech, your milage will vary wildly and unpredictably

[18:34:24]

Dagmar:

PLENTY can screw with wireless bandwidth availability, particularly 2.4Ghz cordless phones

[18:34:29]

floppyears:

true

[18:34:46]

floppyears:

what about if they were connected through gigabit ethernet using a cat6 cable ?

[18:34:49]

gbee:

floppyears: 802.11g is enough for SD playback here, even with 4 neighbours using WiFi

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gbee:

wouldn't try HD though

[18:35:04]

sphery:

floppyears: gigabit is great. 100Mb is generally fine.

[18:35:04]

floppyears:

gbee: oh

[18:35:05]

kormoc:

floppyears, gigabit is overkill for just video streaming

[18:35:53]

floppyears:

so if I ran a cat6 cable between backend and frontend there would be no glitches watching live-tv from the backend tuner ?

[18:35:58]

sphery:

kormoc: depends on how much video streaming (playback on multiple frontends, mythcommflag running on several backends, mythjobqueue on some machines, mythtranscode on backends/job servers)... :)

[18:36:06]

sphery:

Though I doubt he'd have problems with 100Mb

[18:36:06]

gbee:

I've also got a DECT phone and a microwave, never had any problems, but I know that some people have all sorts or issues with WiFi

[18:36:37]

gbee:

100Mb would be more than enough

[18:36:50]

sphery:

My biggest complaint with WiFi is that it's hard to get a consistently reliable signal (i.e. I don't like my net to ever drop out)

[18:37:06]

Beirdo:

hmmm

[18:37:52]

gbee:

sphery: as I say, I've never had reliability problems, but others have, so it's all voodoo really

[18:38:08]

sphery:

Beirdo: did you look at all the technical details in the commit message ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 57957#257957 )

[18:38:18]

floppyears:

so to get the tv listings through schedule direct will I have to pay 1 per mythtv box in my house or just once

[18:38:24]

sphery:

It's way over my head, but it talks about "UPnP/ServicePort 6544"

[18:38:31]

sphery:

and "UPnP/SSDP/Port 1900 "

[18:38:37]

sphery:

and "UPnP/SSDP/SearchPort 6546"

[18:38:48]

Beirdo:

yeah, and the DB upgrades didn't add those to the settings table...

[18:39:01]

sphery:

So it should be using defaults, then.

[18:39:03]

gbee:

if you've got 802.11g wireless already, then give it a go – if it doesn't work then you can always fall back to a 100Mb/1000Mb wired connection

[18:39:03]

sphery:

right?

[18:39:09]

Beirdo:

I hope so :)

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floppyears:

gbee: true

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sphery:

gbee: weren't you having problems with UPnP because of a NIC (or NIC driver)

[18:40:15]

levi_home:

Could someone take a look at my log excerpt at http://pastebin.com/m171835ee and at least give me some pointers on where to look to investigate this issue?

[18:40:42]

gbee:

floppyears: one subscription per user, although you really only need to download listings data on the master backend so that's only one machine you need a subscription for anyway

[18:40:55]

gbee:

sphery: ahh yeah, forgot that

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Aval0n:

wow

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Aval0n:

linux hates ati doesn't it

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floppyears:

gbee: true, thanks gbee

[18:41:27]

Aval0n:

I just booted the ubuntu install cd with a ati 9800 pro and display was garbled

[18:41:28]

Aval0n:

lol

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gbee:

although that was the multicast for backend autodiscovery, so wouldn't affect thumbnail grabbing

[18:41:34]

sphery:

oh

[18:41:45]

Aval0n:

is anyone here using the nvidia 7300gs with hdmi out?

[18:41:49]

sphery:

Aval0n: Does Linux hate ATI or does ATI hate Linux?

[18:41:53]

gbee:

ATi hates linux is more accurate

[18:41:56]

Aval0n:

sphery touche

[18:42:16]

sphery:

Aval0n: display was garbled in X? Or the framebuffer/console display was garbled?

[18:42:24]

i10neorg:

laga_: I've posted what I think is the appropriate time frame from the backend log at <http://pastebin.ca/651422>.

[18:42:27]

Aval0n:

X

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sphery:

I've never gotten console to work with framebuffer drivers on my 9800

[18:42:40]

sphery:

I have to actually remove them from the kernel.

[18:42:42]

i10neorg:

laga_: From what I read, myth doesn't like their video stream.

[18:42:50]

sphery:

But, X has always worked right off for me.

[18:43:12]

Aval0n:

I'm waiting to see if anyone tries an nvidia 7300GS w/HDMI on mythtv

[18:43:40]

sphery:

Are you using the ATI proprietary drivers? I've never used those, so that may be the difference, but I can understand why they may be useful for a Myth box.

[18:43:46]

Aval0n:

I'm using nothing yet

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Aval0n:

this is just the ubuntu install cd

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Aval0n:

it boots to an X desktop where you are supposed to click on the install now icon

[18:44:12]

laga_:

i10neorg: when did it stop working? did you change anything?

[18:44:41]

laga_:

i10neorg: what does frontend log say?

[18:45:12]

i10neorg:

laga_: A week ago I think. No mythtv updates, just normal Debian Testing updates.

[18:45:24]

i10neorg:

laga_: Lemme check the frontend log.

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Tanthrix:

Aval0n: More like ATI hates linux.

[18:56:35]

juski:

Tanthrix: no, more like linux is hated by ATI

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juski:

oh and don't forget ATI hate mythtv too

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Tanthrix:

Isn't that just the passive form of my active, original statement?

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Beirdo:

my head hurts

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juski:

yeah, like when you repeated what gbee said not 5 mins ago :-P

[18:58:04]

Tanthrix:

Damn!

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Tanthrix:

I thought I did an adequate check to see if anybody had already said that...but I just woke up, so give me a break

[18:58:51]

juski:

heh

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Tanthrix:

And some jack ass friend of a friend woke me up at 9am today with computer problems

[18:59:08]

juski:

kill them all

[18:59:18]

juski:

you earthlings are all alike

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laga_:

Tanthrix: was it computer problems.. or WINDOWS problems?

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Tanthrix:

Computer actually. System isn't posting reliably.

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juski:

had he tried rebooting? :-P

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laga_:

don't power it on then

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laga_:

problem solved

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Tanthrix:

hehe

[19:00:51]

juski:

seems whatever'd been blocking this machine's DNS & making it super-slow has gone away as if by magic. stupid 'doze

[19:01:10]

Beirdo:

OK, just deleted all the old png files in the recordings dir

[19:01:17]

Beirdo:

let's see if that was somehow the issue

[19:01:24]

juski:

actually since I upgraded my backend last weekend I think maybe this one might be the linux migration

[19:02:06]

Beirdo:

nope

[19:02:25]

juski:

oh yeah almost forgot about this – when you change a recording profile you shouldn't need to restart the backend for it to take effect should you?

[19:02:27]

Beirdo:

it regenerated them on the backend, mythweb still got 0 byte files

[19:03:03]

juski:

I guess you shouldn't have to restart the backend for rec profile changes to take hold, but it seems that with DVB tuners you do

[19:03:58]

juski:

my radio recordings were failing the other day & it was cos I'd changed the recording profile to 'tv only'. the change was in the db but apparently didn't take til i restarted the backend

[19:04:17]

juski:

(when I changed it back to 'normal' I mean)

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i10neorg:

laga_: I don't notice anything interesting in the frontend output.

[19:05:17]

i10neorg:

laga_: Since scheduled recordings of the problem channel create files of size zero, I'm guess that pretty conclusively makes it a backend issue?

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laga_:

yes

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** Beirdo groans **

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Beirdo:

stupid computers :)

[19:08:05]

i10neorg:

laga_: Maybe "[mpeg2video @ 0xb721bfa8]invalid mb type in P Frame at 100 60" is causing the mess?

[19:08:11]

Beirdo:

now I'm gonna have to go read mythweb code

[19:09:00]

i10neorg:

It looks to me one station is now generating an mpeg video stream myth can't handle (the mplayer can).

[19:09:05]

i10neorg:

Is that even possible?

[19:09:12]

juski:

i10neorg: course it is

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juski:

possible though not very likely

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i10neorg:

juski: That a broadcaster could be generating mpeg video that confuses myth? Okay.

[19:09:59]

juski:

ot – but – does anybody here get 'fonejacker' ? If so, I recommend you watch it. it's funny as :)

[19:10:16]

i10neorg:

juski: Okay.

[19:12:06]

juski:

you didn't change the mpeg decoder away from 'standard' to 'libmpeg' did you?

[19:12:35]

i10neorg:

No, I've had it on "Standard XVMC" the whole time.

[19:12:52]

i10neorg:

I just tried changing it back to "Standard", thinking something similar, but no dice.

[19:13:02]

juski:

ach well it was just a thought

[19:13:20]

i10neorg:

Since the backend is creating zero size files, I think the issue is before the decoding

[19:13:47]

i10neorg:

Though I wouldn't have imagined the backend would care about the internals of the video stream (but the log shows it does a bit)

[19:14:04]

i10neorg:

juski: Thanks for your thought, I'll take all I can get!

[19:14:11]

juski:

heh

[19:14:31]

juski:

i10neorg: maybe something in the scan screwed up

[19:14:40]

i10neorg:

"the scan"?

[19:14:46]

juski:

maybe the signal is intermittent

[19:14:59]

juski:

yeah when you scanned for channels...

[19:15:14]

juski:

or whatever, I dunno how those HDhomerun doozies work

[19:15:15]

i10neorg:

yeah, except I've never had reception problems with that station before, and mplayer plays it fine.

[19:15:51]

juski:

yeah but – mythtv != mplayer, and I presume you're not using the same method to get the stream for mplayer

[19:16:22]

i10neorg:

Not sure what HDhomerun is, but I'm picking up broadcast (over the air) with a divico fusion card.

[19:16:52]

i10neorg:

Well, the dvb driver that both use to access the stream is in common.

[19:17:07]

i10neorg:

Just pointing out I don't think it's a intermittend/weak reception problem.

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tcpsyn:

Hrm. I have a FOX fiber feed.

[19:17:29]

tcpsyn:

That's the only one labled fiber feed.

[19:17:32]

tcpsyn:

What's that mean.

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Dagmar:

That it's good for ya'.

[19:19:20]

Dagmar:

Keeps ya nice and regular.

[19:19:59]

juski:

laga_: no more need for schedulesdirect! this guy is gonna save us all! http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . p;highlight=

[19:20:04]

juski:

(not!)

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laga_:

juski: do i *want* to click?

[19:20:26]

juski:

is retard season almost over yet?

[19:20:37]

juski:

laga_: it's harmless

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NightMonkey:

juski: That guy is going places.

[19:21:22]

juski:

yeah I thought so

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laga_:

juski: sigh+

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** juski bows in reverence :) **

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juski:

I can't wait til Oct 1st

[19:22:04]

juski:

then all this DD crap will be ancient history & we can go back to yelling at people

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laga_:

juski: are you going to answer?

[19:24:46]

juski:

laga_: nah.

[19:25:05]

juski:

there don't seem to be many questions worth answering on the forums these days

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Beirdo:

Hmm

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Beirdo:

seems the preview via upnp is buggered

[19:33:25]

Beirdo:

at least for me it is

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juski:

bugger I'm not in screen

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juski:

better

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Beirdo:

yup. it's borked

[19:38:37]

Beirdo:

if I force mythtv to use the default size pixmap so it goes through the mythproto, it works

[19:39:07]

Beirdo:

if it uses "non-standard", it goes via upnp and gets a 404 error

[19:39:08]

Tanthrix:

5 bucks a month for scheduling info, that's not bad.

[19:39:29]

laga_:

especially considering that the dollar sucks right now

[19:39:34]

** Beirdo sighs and puts on his debugging hat **

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GreyFoxx:

Tanthrix: I agree. And as time goes on and more sign on it should go down

[19:40:14]

Tanthrix:

Though, there is a part of me that saddens at the fact of paying for guide data, since that was one of the great things about myth. It's gotta come from somewhere though!

[19:41:35]

Tanthrix:

I just think people always responded to the "free" part of "it's a free, open source user setup PVR like Tivo but with many more features" more than the latter bit when people inquire about my setup ;)

[19:41:55]

juski:

even if you get a roomful of monkeys to read all the TV guide magazines & paraphrase the guide descriptions to avoid copyright stuff, somebody's got to pay for the nuts, chairs & typewriters

[19:42:02]

GreyFoxx:

heh yeah, but after paying god knows how much over the years for drives, power, my time and capture cards I don't mind the 0.17 a day for listings which benefit my whole family :)

[19:42:27]

juski:

yeah since WHEN has mythtv ever been 'FREE' ffs? hardware is always needed :)

[19:42:40]

Tanthrix:

Hardware grows on trees

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GreyFoxx:

my HD; arrive under my pillow every few months

[19:43:04]

Tanthrix:

Work time, later.

[19:43:26]

juski:

hey I know – to avoid paying $10 per month, for a Tivo, I'll go out & wax $2000 on a new machine & spend 14 days & nights putting it all together. Man this 'free' PVR is ace!

[19:43:52]

juski:

nnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggggg! (penny drops!) "what have I done?!" argghhhh

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** juski roffles at http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/09/pipex_rudest_hoster/ **

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jams:

GreyFoxx- know of any hardware collection plugins in the works? i'm currently working on one but thought I would ask first before I get to far.

[19:46:15]

GreyFoxx:

hardware collection? What would it do ?

[19:46:35]

jams:

reports back hardware is use and also the os

[19:47:05]

jams:

i'm basing it off of smolt https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt/

[19:47:06]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm not that I know of

[19:47:16]

GreyFoxx:

but if anything that would be handy to know

[19:47:57]

jams:

first step is mythvantage, then hopefully myth wide and hosted on mythtv.org but those are lofty goals

[19:48:17]

GreyFoxx:

better than no goals :)

[19:48:23]

jams:

hehe

[19:48:45]

jams:

i think it will be very useful, just to see what people are running and which distro is used

[19:48:55]

levi_home:

In case anyone looked at my problem earlier, it turned out that somehow my channel table got the wrong freqids for those channels somehow.

[19:48:57]

laga_:

i can't wait for mythbuntu.org to come back up again. having hosting problems since last friday:(

[19:49:28]

jams:

laga_- machine died?

[19:51:29]

GreyFoxx:

xris: I'm curious. In all of your mencoder/transcode/ffmpeg stuff. Ever see mention of encoding a video to an SMV file?

[19:52:00]

GreyFoxx:

My new MP4 watch apparently wants it's video in this SMV container and frankly the windows app to do the conversions is kinda crashy :)

[19:53:11]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/smv

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laga_:

jams: more serious i think

[19:53:32]

Dagmar:

The very definition of "cockeyed proprietary format"

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laga_:

jams: the guy is moving his servers i believe

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jams:

laga_- sounds like your hosting in somebodies basement

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tcpsyn:

So, DT channels are not HD

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dmz:

howdy ya'll, quick question...my system isn't auto-expiring anything. where do I check that the expire process is running?

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tcpsyn:

They're just digital, right?

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levi_home:

tcpsyn: Digital channels may or may not be HD.

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dmz:

is it part of myth-setup?

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juski:

dmz: can't remember. have a look

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tcpsyn:

levi_home, Most of the hd channels I get are named WCVB-HD and whatnot, the only one that isn't, is Fox thats WFXT Fiber Feed and WFXTDT

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tcpsyn:

Although I know I should get fox hd unencrypted

[19:58:15]

tcpsyn:

the fox watermark just says FOX, not FOX-HD.

[19:58:19]

tcpsyn:

so, I'm not really sure.

[19:58:29]

tcpsyn:

I guess I'll have to wait until HD programming is on.

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juski:

dmz: it's in mythfrontend – tv settings > generl

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Beirdo:

hmmmmmm

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i10neorg:

For the logs... I really think my problem is with WPBA (PBS Atlanta) broadcasting a weird stream.

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iamlindoro:

OMG people freaking out about schedulesdriect are going to give me an anuerysm

[20:00:03]

iamlindoro:

er schedulesdirect

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iamlindoro:

"

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iamlindoro:

An alternative is needed here, being new to mty, I'm open to suggestions.

[20:00:57]

iamlindoro:

"

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tcpsyn:

The HD stuff looks way better on my 17" monitor than it does on my 32" HDTV.

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dmz:

bummer, it's set but it's not deleting things

[20:01:19]

dmz:

i think it's getting caught on a few recordings that are in the DB but have no files

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** juski refrains from yelling at the guy who insists on calling mythtv 'mtv' **

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iamlindoro:

Translation: I don't know shit about mythtv. I want someone to make this free for me! Now someone go do the work to make it so."

[20:01:33]

dmz:

anyone know a good way to purge database of any recordings that don't exist?

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iamlindoro:

you can "touch" the mpg files, then erase them normally

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juski:

dmz: there's a script in /contrib for that. find_orphans.pl or something

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iamlindoro:

or that :)

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juski:

iamlindoro: take my advice. you need a break from mythtvtalk.com before you go out & get a gun. seriously. been there

[20:02:42]

juski:

been there, and I'm heading back there

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iamlindoro:

hahaha but I *have* a gun already, I'm doomed

[20:03:53]

iamlindoro:

I'm just going to try to take some deep breaths instead

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dmz:

i've run find_orphans but it isn't clearing out dead live-recordings

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Tanthrix:

Now at work. Where was I?

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dmz:

i may just go search tables & delete manually

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Beirdo:

oh hell, my backend just kernel oopsed

[20:06:15]

Beirdo:

wunderbar

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iamlindoro:

dmz, am I correct to say the entries in DB are still there, but files have been deleted?

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sphery:

dmz: LiveTV recordings are kept for 1 day (default settings) unless they're under 2 minutes in length, in which case they're deleted the next time autoexpire runs...

[20:06:55]

Tanthrix:

tcpsyn: Anything looks better smaller than bigger. That's why every photo you take on your digital cam looks great on your 1.5 inch screen. Not until you get home that you see that many are blurry or otherwise not good.

[20:07:02]

sphery:

So, they're in the DB and you can find them by changing the filter to LiveTV in Watch Recordings.

[20:07:27]

dmz:

problem is my autoexpire isn't running :)

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sphery:

And don't ask if you can make it delete them immediately (you can't, and it won't be changed so you can)

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dmz:

the live recordings files are gone but the database things they are still there

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sphery:

autoexpire is always run in 0.20 and above

[20:07:44]

sphery:

It's impossible to disable it.

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Tanthrix:

dmz: So make some fake files that have the same name as the ones that need to be deleted, then let autoexpire delete them.

[20:08:12]

iamlindoro:

you can "touch" the files and then they should erase normally

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dmz:

ah good idea, thank tanthrix

[20:08:59]

Tanthrix:

dmz: No prob.

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sphery:

Or, if they're all LiveTV, just go to Watch Recording, change filter to LiveTV, with LiveTV (left column) select, add all recordings to a playlist, playlist options, delete

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** iamlindoro grumbles at being ignored **

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dmz:

now i just need to find out what filename it's expecting :)

[20:09:44]

sphery:

not if you use mythfrontend to delete them...

[20:10:09]

dmz:

i delete it, then it pops back up gain

[20:10:22]

dmz:

the file doesn't exist and the database says the recording is there

[20:10:56]

dmz:

i've got about 5 recordings that have been stuck in thinking they are there for about a year now, that is why i think autoexpire is broken, it can't get past those

[20:10:59]

sphery:

If the file doesn't exist, it will ask if you're sure you want to delete it. It only pops back up if the file exists but it can't delete it.

[20:11:14]

sphery:

I think you have a permissions problem.

[20:11:23]

dmz:

try to play: it says: the file for this recordign can not be found

[20:11:40]

sphery:

It will say that if the file exists but isn't readable.

[20:11:54]

dmz:

so how can i find out what file it is trying to access?

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sphery:

is this 0.20-fixes or trunk?

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dmz:

0.20-svn20070223

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dmz:

debian box

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sphery:

That means nothing to me. Is it a package?

[20:12:43]

sphery:

or did you compile it?

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juski:

it's -fixes

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dmz:

yes 0.20 from svn on feb 23, 2007

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sphery:

thx

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iamlindoro:

fixes

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iamlindoro:

whoops

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juski:

I do wish people who package -fixes would be more specific

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dmz:

me too :)

[20:13:17]

sphery:

yeah, I think gbee recently fixed that.

[20:13:24]

dmz:

fixed which?

[20:13:34]

sphery:

so version says which branch

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keith4:

so how do people feel about the schedules direct pricing?

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sphery:

keith4: not expensive enough

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dmz:

anyway, how do i identify what file it is trying to open?

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sphery:

If it were more expensive, we might chase away the riff-raff

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keith4:

sphery: why do we want to chase away people?

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sphery:

dmz: have you tried deleting one recording at a time (as opposed to in a playlist)?

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iamlindoro:

'cause they're total pain in the ass ingrates that want you to personally wipe their asses every step of the isntall?

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dmz:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

keith4: It's at the upper range of what I feel most would pay, but well worth it to me. My CC will be out as soon as I can create my account

[20:14:42]

sphery:

I can't verify the behavior of playlist deletes of missing files in -fixes

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fryfrog:

keith4: $5 is to much, but as more sign up the price should drop

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dmz:

that's how i tried initially

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iamlindoro:

Whoops, who said that?

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dmz:

going through and manually deleting specific files

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GreyFoxx:

especially since I expect it will go down as more sign on

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dmz:

but they kept popping back into the list

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sphery:

dmz: OK. There's no message in the log that gives the filename?

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dmz:

not in the mythbackend log

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GreyFoxx:

keith4: Sucks that the free stuff had to go away, but it had enough value to me that it's worth paying for

[20:16:05]

keith4:

i agree

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keith4:

i'll pay it

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GreyFoxx:

hopefully it'll get to the $20 a year point

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tcpsyn:

I'm so close to having my listing data right

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tcpsyn:

heh

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keith4:

$60/year isn't bad

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snarkster:

anyone in here use mythdora 4.0?

[20:16:43]

tcpsyn:

Hope it's a seemless transition

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sphery:

keith4: I was joking about chasing people away.

[20:16:49]

keith4:

that's the cost of one good night at the bar

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iamlindoro:

I am choosing to average the price retroactively over the time I've had myth, and that brings the costs per month down to pennies on the dollar

[20:17:03]

GreyFoxx:

keith4: or just 0.17 a day much less than a coffee a day

[20:17:26]

keith4:

i can give up one sandwich per week for xml data

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: especially where some people buy coffee

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GreyFoxx:

heheh

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iamlindoro:

Better to consider it paying for all the free guide data I've gotten in the past :)

[20:17:46]

GreyFoxx:

I know, I see people paying up to $5 per coffee! that's nuts

[20:18:02]

dmz:

ahh i think i got it, thanks (it was in log just had to grep it out)

[20:18:04]

snarkster:

5 bucks for coffee?? are they crazy?

[20:18:16]

GreyFoxx:

snarkster: yeah, I think so

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sphery:

dmz: Anyway, you can find the mapping of recordings to files with: "SELECT title, subtitle, basename FROM recorded;"

[20:18:20]

dmz:

when does autoexpire run? is there any way to track it

[20:18:26]

sphery:

dmz: Oh, the log is better.

[20:18:29]

iamlindoro:

Hey, I'll pay five bucks to have coffee where the beautiful people are ;)

[20:18:32]

GreyFoxx:

dmz: I think it runs a couple times an hour

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snarkster:

hell id make them a whole pot of coffee for 5 bucks.

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sphery:

dmz: IIRC, every 5 minutes plus 1–15 seconds

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sphery:

hmm. I must not CR

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sphery:

i mean RC

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dmz:

sphery thanks

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snarkster:

so i installed mythdora 4.0 on my SMP computer but i dont see smp in the uname-a so I upgraded and still no SMP in the uname-a..

[20:19:56]

fryfrog:

so are they going to give out any backend stats?

[20:20:08]

fryfrog:

like how many subscribers zap2it had, how much the license costs?

[20:20:40]

GreyFoxx:

That's up to tms, I doubt they will be allowed to be specific, but I suppose it's possible

[20:20:46]

gbee:

fryfrog: they have to get clearance from TMS

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iamlindoro:

As a non-profit there probably hs to be some degree of cost reporting, no?

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i10neorg:

What might "Ignoring PAT not containing our desired program..." mean (from the backend)?

[20:24:41]

iamlindoro:

PAT = Program Association Table

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iamlindoro:

Should be self-explanatory from there

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i10neorg:

Should be, eh? :^)

[20:25:39]

iamlindoro:

ie, it's not an error

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i10neorg:

It looks like it's a description of streams in an mpeg Transport Stream?

[20:26:05]

iamlindoro:

the PID you are playing is not contained in a given PAT, therefore it can be safely ignored

[20:26:39]

i10neorg:

Are PID defined in myth, like in the database tables somewhere?

[20:27:05]

gbee:

i10neorg: no, they are read directly from the stream at tuning time

[20:27:10]

dmz:

sphery, what should i see in the log when the autoexpire runs?

[20:27:11]

iamlindoro:

PIDs are defined by your provider in the stream

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Beirdo:

hmm. the ASX ain't working either...

[20:29:01]

gbee:

what we store for a channel is in the channel table, the service id is the unique identifier for a particular channel on a multiplex

[20:29:02]

Beirdo:

nor the SWF.

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** Beirdo sighs :) **

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sphery:

dmz: looks like autoexpire runs once per hour, but will check for space constraints every 10 minutes unless your capture cards can record > 3GiB/10 minutes, in which case it checks every 5 minutes. It will delete recordings as necessary when space is needed for recordings.

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i10neorg:

Thanks guys.

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keith4:

what's going to stop people from sharing account credentials?

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Beirdo:

common decency would be the first thing to stop it

[20:30:07]

Beirdo:

heh

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gbee:

keith4: they haven't said and I don't expect them to release details of their security

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i10neorg:

I have what I think is the more important output from a problem channel <http://pastebin.ca/651521> and a good channel <http://pastebin.ca/651522>, trying to notice the difference.

[20:31:08]

dmz:

sphery, thanks. will it identify itself in the log properly like scheduler, recorder, autoexpirer..? how will i see when it runs/purges?

[20:31:09]

sphery:

dmz: I think you'll need to run mythbackend with "-v important,file" to see the autoexpirer messages (might be "-v file,important"--I never remember the right order).

[20:31:11]

gbee:

but most likely you will be limited to a certain number of downloads per day per account and probably to a single IP per account within a 24 hour period

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dmz:

ok i'll wait an hour to see if it purges now that the dead recordings are cleared up

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sphery:

keith4: It's more difficult to prevent people from sharing the raw data

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keith4:

that's true

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Beirdo:

heheheh

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Beirdo:

apt-get install ffmpeg

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Beirdo:

that should help me

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dmz:

and last question, storage space needed for recordings that set when to purge is set in frontend or myth-setup?

[20:32:45]

dmz:

;)

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sphery:

The once/hr thing is when it deletes recordings because you have too many (from max episodes or whatever). The once/ 5 or 10 minutes is when it deletes recordings because you're out of space. (Don't know if my above explanation was at all understandable.)

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dmz:

yeah that makes sense

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dmz:

hmm i wonder why when i only have 2 gig free and it's beenthat way for a while why it isn't deleting recordings

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iamlindoro:

Would be wise, perhaps, to also lock people into one ZIP code per account

[20:35:15]

jams:

iamlindoro- no it wouldn't

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dmz:

is anyone working on a way to have multiple filters enabled for frontend? I record many shows that end up being about 4 different filters, but i hate having to select the filter and if i select all i get hundreds of my kids recordings :( any suggestions?

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iamlindoro:

oh no? why?

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sphery:

dmz: "Extra Disk Space (in Gigabytes)" in mythfrontend, Utilities/Settings|General on page "General (AutoExpire)"

[20:36:36]

jams:

plenty of people straddle zipcodes and have different lineups

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jams:

ran into that several years ago

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iamlindoro:

Sure, then max three or something

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iamlindoro:

that way you account for that but don't have people handing it out to people nationwide

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jams:

sure, but a limit to one zipcode is just not a good idea

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iamlindoro:

fair enough, then *some* limit on them might curb piracy

[20:37:37]

sphery:

dmz: The filter selection has changed in trunk (so will be better in 0.21, when released), but what you seem to really want is multi-user MythTV (so each user's preferred filter is remembered). That's a much bigger project.

[20:37:47]

dmz:

:)

[20:38:01]

dmz:

if i could select multiple filters i'd be happy :)

[20:38:07]

sphery:

jams: the need multiple zipcodes to support multiple "same service" lineups is being fixed.

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dmz:

btw i have extra disk space set to 20Gig and have 2 gig free

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro lets see now, if you limit my access to one zip code I would loose listings for about half of my channels

[20:39:30]

sphery:

jams: David Shay (author of Myth's DD support) is working the last missing piece to allow Myth to do client-side filtering (i.e. choose all the channels for all your video sources and it only uses those for the current source, but it doesn't re-download for the next source).

[20:39:34]

|Torg|:

iamlindoro can you predict the distance someone can reciever ATSC signals? Can you do it no matter where they are, and what ther terrain is? no

[20:39:37]

sphery:

I guilted him into writing the last piece

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iamlindoro:

Torg: as previously mentioned, one not a hard and fast rule, but I would think most could make do with some low single digit number and therefore do SOMETHING to curb data trading

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sphery:

|Torg|: I don't think so, unless you have one cable company from one zip code and another from another zip code and you subscribe to both of their services

[20:40:12]

iamlindoro:

or account sharing

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jams:

sphery,right i'm just saying it's possible to need differnet lineups for neighboring zipcodes to account for all the stations

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|Torg|:

sphery I have two ATSC tuners, conntected to an antenna on a 30' mast. If you like I will dump my cnanel databse to show you

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iamlindoro:

Everyone focusing on the one zipcode thing, the fact remains that nobody should need greater that "x" number of zip codes, probably a single digit number, and by limiting it you help preserve subscriptions and, therefore, reduce costs to the whole community

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iamlindoro:

whether that's one or nine, nobody should need infinite ZIPs

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sphery:

|Torg|: If you really have that much range, then I guess you need it.

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jams:

iamlindoro- right sphery was talking about a different problem.

[20:42:17]

iamlindoro:

and I challenge anyone to come up with a good reason that it *should* be unlimited other than so they can sell mythboxes

[20:42:19]

Dagmar:

What zip codes terrestrial broadcasters should be able to reach is a known, courtesy of the FCC.

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|Torg|:

its not special sphery its the fact that TMS sets data bases on analog ranges, not digital

[20:42:54]

Dagmar:

There is no reason someone doing OTA should need multiple zip codes

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Dagmar:

What other service providers are available is also a known.

[20:43:19]

|Torg|:

really Dagmar should I show you my listings?

[20:43:40]

sphery:

Regardless, on the list, it was mentioned that creating one SD account that uses multiple DD accounts would likely be in violation of the SD contract with TMS,

[20:44:37]

sphery:

so those who currently use multiple Z2L accounts will probably need multiple SD subscriptions, unless the work I mentioned on client-side filtering solves their problems (and it should for >99% of users).

[20:45:45]

sphery:

But, depending on the SD lineup creation possibilities, chances are no one will need multiple accounts after the filtering code is in.

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yoshibond:

Hello everyone! Does anyone know if I can get dual input on my PVR-150 TV tuner by using the S-video and component audio for my satellite receiver and the coaxial input for my analog cable television signal?

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Beirdo:

OK, have the swf "working", but no audio

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kslater:

yoshibond: no

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yoshibond:

kslater – thx

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jarle_:

The dirs used by MythVideo to store videos, are they supposed to be on the frontend or the backend?

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kslater:

I mean you can use both, but not at the same time

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yoshibond:

i guess i would neesd two tuner cards

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Dagmar:

yoshibond: They're separate inputs on the card, so yes

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kslater:

or a pvr-500

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yoshibond:

the tuner cant send two signals right?

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kslater:

2 turnes 1 card

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Dagmar:

yoshibond: You may use only one at once tho

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yoshibond:

yeah thats waht i figured

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Dagmar:

Get a PVR-500 if you want two streams

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yoshibond:

well i already have a 150 so i might as well buy another

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sphery:

jarle_: all plugins are frontend plugins, so their data must be accessible to the frontend.

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yoshibond:

if i split my cable vision with a spliter should i get an amp so i dont lose pic quality?

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sphery:

jarle_: you can put the files on the backend, but must make them available to any frontends you want to use for accessing them (i.e. with network storage--NFS, CIFS, ...)

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iamlindoro:

But you can put all on the backend and NFS or Samba mount to the frontends

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gbee:

jarle_: but you can keep the videos on the backend and nfs share that directory with the frontends

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sphery:

yoshibond: 2 PVR-150's is better than 1 PVR-500, anyway

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jarle_:

gbee: okidoki

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yoshibond:

ok thx

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yoshibond:

why are 2 better?

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yoshibond:

out of curiousity

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Dagmar:

Especially if you hate money

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iamlindoro:

'cause it's twice as many

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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yoshibond:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Like you give me a quarter and I give you two dimes

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kslater:

yoshibond: if one of your cards fails, you still have the other. If your pvr-500 fails, both tuners are down

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yoshibond:

well i already have 1 so its cheaper to buy a 150 then to get a 500 and throw away the 150 ... unless i do 3 channel at once capability :) :) :)

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yoshibond:

i am gunna have to do USB though – my pci slots are full

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gbee:

in the long (long) term planning, some plugins will get merged into mythtv and when that happens media will be stored on the backend and streamed to the clients, much like recordings are now

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kslater:

also an option

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yoshibond:

for signal strength with analog cable

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yoshibond:

i am currently running my cable modem do the cable behind my tv

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sphery:

yoshibond: Because the PVR-500 has a splitter in it, so it can cause signal issues. I.e. if you're splitting before the PVR-500 to go to a PVR-150 and a PVR-500, the PVR-150 tuner has a signal that's several dB > than that for each tuner in the PVR-500. With 3 PVR-150's, they all get the same strength signal and you can use an external amp to adjust strength as required.

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sphery:

(And the internal amp/splitter in teh PVR-500 is cheap, too)

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yoshibond:

if i were gunna split the cable to my cable modem and two feeds would i want an amp?

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Dagmar:

I see.

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yoshibond:

would the amp even help enuf?

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sphery:

Also, what kslater said--A lot of people are only one tuner from a PVR-500 because the other is broken.

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Dagmar:

So to avoid problems caused by oversplitting, you use a signal amp, but not with PVR-500's

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Dagmar:

That's dumb.

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Dagmar:

There's no reason you can't use a signal amp on a pvr-500

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fuse:

hi

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sphery:

Right, but you can't balance the signal if you have a PVR-500 and any non-PVR-500 cards

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Dagmar:

yoshibond: most cable companies will guarantee up to four split connectors

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Dagmar:

...without an amp.

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sphery:

Also, amp should exist at the source--the antenna or cable input to the house--not at the end

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sphery:

My amp is 6" from the balun on my antenna

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yoshibond:

gotcha

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sphery:

Only because I needed a cable to connect the antenna to the amp

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yoshibond:

what is the dif with the 150/250/350 ne ways?

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Dagmar:

If you have a PVR-500 you probably have *just* a PVR-500, but at any rate it doesn't matter how "balanced" these are if you've amped at the demarc point

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sphery:

If you put the amp at the end of the run, you're likely amplifying noise

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sphery:

You've never had problems with over-strength signals, I guess...

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Dagmar:

yoshibond: The 250 is an obsolete version of the 150, adn the 350 has an annoyingly limited s-video output of it's own

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Dagmar:

sphery: Becuase generally I don't try to discredit my own setups by deliberately misconfiguring things

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yoshibond:

gotcha

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yoshibond:

do you guys think there will ever be a hdmi/dvi input option for a PC

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yoshibond:

?

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yoshibond:

is there currently anything that takes component video input?

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NightMonkey:

Dagmar: What's limited about the s-video on the PVR-350?

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sphery:

Eventually, once it's cheap enough to encode in real time.

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Dagmar:

NightMonkey: Zero GL support

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sphery:

NightMonkey: S-Video

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|Torg|:

yoshibond there are no x86 boxes that can handle that kind of bandwidth

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|Torg|:

an HDMI stream is about 1.5Gbps, the bus speed on your PC can not go that fast. Not unless you plan on spengin upwards of $25K for a computer

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yoshibond:

cable boxes do it and they arent work 25k

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Beirdo:

laga_, you there?

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sphery:

Besides, no general-purpose processor is likely to be able to compress HDTV-resolutions in real time.

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iamlindoro:

There is already HDMI capture boards, but no linux drivers, plus you're still screwed because the encryption is the killer

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|Torg|:

yoshibond OUT yes, not IN

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yoshibond:

what i mean is torg i am looking for a way to plug the hdmi out of my cable box into my computer

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iamlindoro:

Blackmagic Intensity Pro is the HDMI capture board, but again, no linux drivers and it will not handle copyrighted content, ie everything from your cable box

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iamlindoro:

nor will it ever

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|Torg|:

yes yoshibond what you want is an HDMI capture card that can do HDCP

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yoshibond:

but theyre arent any are there?

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iamlindoro:

no, nor will there be, cable companies will not allow it

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iamlindoro:

anyone who tries will be sued into the stone age

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yoshibond:

what will that Blackmagic Intensity Pro card do?

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yoshibond:

can that receive a signal from a cable box or no?

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iamlindoro:

NO

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iamlindoro:

again

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sphery:

dump 350GB/hr of data to your disk

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sphery:

(guessing at the size)

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iamlindoro:

your cable box puts out encrypted content, no card will now, nor will ever, capture encrypted content, not because it is technically impossible, but because it is LEGALLY impossible

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yoshibond:

i thought an HD feed (1080i) was about 8GB/hr

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iamlindoro:

and technically hard

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sphery:

yoshibond: It gives you uncompressed data

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iamlindoro:

HDMI is uncompressed

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|Torg|:

yoshibond in compressed mpeg format, yes

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KaZeR:

anyone knows where i can get an rpm for mythtv protocol 33 ?

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sphery:

The 350GB/hr is pretty close--iff you can successfully do the color-space converstion (to 12bpp) in real time.

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Dagmar:

lol

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sphery:

If not, it

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sphery:

will be 650GB/hr

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Tanthrix:

yoshibond: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable <--Those are your options, unfortunately

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|Torg|:

what would be nice is a HDCP cpable caputure card, that had AC3 imputs as well that could dump out mpeg2, but that would be illegal

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Dagmar:

onoez

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yoshibond:

torg – waht i dont get is why that is illegal yet recording from the s-vid out on ym cable box isnt

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yoshibond:

or how this is any different than a tivo with hdmi capability which isnt worth 25k

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|Torg|:

one word, encryption

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iamlindoro:

because your s-video isn't encrypted

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yoshibond:

ok

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yoshibond:

what about the bandwidth . how does tivo deal with that?

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iamlindoro:

Tivo doesn't record HDMI

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|Torg|:

I personally think I should be able to put a CAM with CI in a DVB-S card to recive dishnet, but dishnet wont sell it

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Tanthrix:

yoshibond: The whole point of all this stuff is prevent people from getting perfect digital copies of their media for sharing.

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bill2or3:

it's because they haven't figured out how to make recording s-video illegal yet.

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|Torg|:

I wouldnt call digital cpies perfect

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sphery:

yoshibond: mainly because the media giants didn't think of protecting S-Video before it came out

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yoshibond:

ok

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sphery:

(Or any other NTSC stuff. Guess in the '40's the industry trusted people or something)

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yoshibond:

but i am still confused about the bandwidth you menitioned . is that the whole stream or on one channel?

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|Torg|:

yoshibond its more like the svideo specification predates the MPAA

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|Torg|:

im sure if they could make VCR's illegal they would too

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Tanthrix:

yoshibond: Anyway, the tivo (like myth) records mpeg2 HD streams which are only 4–25mbps usually. Then a decoding ship decodes that and outputs it over HDMI or whatever. (There is a word for that chip in a PC – the video card)

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iamlindoro:

compressed video size/bandwidth is a function of resolution, bitrate, and audio... uncompressed is the "firehose"...

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sphery:

yoshibond: 1920x1080pixels/frame * 30 frames/second * 3600 seconds/hr * 1.5 (or 3) bytes/pixel

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yoshibond:

so are you saying the firehouse is a higher size/resoluton than 1080p?

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laga_:

Beirdo: yes

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Beirdo:

does the ASX stuff in mythweb (current) work for ya?

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iamlindoro:

and yoshi, the bandwidth, and indeed all the technical hurdles, are NOT the problem... those can be overcome... the legal issues are the more pressing ones

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yoshibond:

so a tivo would compess that to 1080p and then record?

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sphery:

313GiB/hr at 1.5bytes/pixel or 626GiB/hr at 3bytes/pixel

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** Tanthrix face palms **

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yoshibond:

but from a legal standpoint what makes myth differnt than tivo?

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sphery:

yoshibond: the TiVo receives and already compressed copy of the data

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Tanthrix:

Myth does the same, except it can't do encrypted stuff.

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sphery:

then it outputs an uncompressed copy via DVI/HDMI

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Dagmar:

If sued, Myth crinkles and blows away like a cheap road map in a high wind

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yoshibond:

from where? what compresses it?

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yoshibond:

is the output from a cable box in hdmi compressed?

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iamlindoro:

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

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sphery:

the network? production company?

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iamlindoro:

AGAIN

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Tanthrix:

yoshibond: Listen very carefully.

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Dagmar:

hehhe

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|Torg|:

DVB cards and firewire, recive the signal in a compressed format. Output is pixels x colorspace, no compression

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yoshibond:

ok

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** iamlindoro punches himself in the face. **

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Tanthrix:

yoshibond: With digital cable, mpeg2 (or sometimes other formats) of COMPRESSED video are sent over the wire to your home. THese can be encrypted or unencrypted.

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sphery:

MPEG does amazing things for compression

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yoshibond:

ok

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Tanthrix:

yoshibond: Myth or Tivo or whatever takes these streams, uncompress them, and output them over WHATEVER interface, be it s-video, vga, dvi, or hdmi

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yoshibond:

ok

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Dagmar:

alkos333: "Dead silence", perhaps "minimalist"

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Tanthrix:

The difference is that myth cannot legally access encrypted streams, where as the tivo can

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sphery:

basically, don't expect it to happen for a while, and when it does, probably only with Windows Vista or DRM-infested "appliances"

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dmz:

ahh i had to restart mythbackend to clear up, now it's clearning out ~4g every 5 min

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sphery:

(won't ever happen in Windows XP0

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sphery:

XP)

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yoshibond:

ok so the hi-def tv feeds i get are sent over my cable compressed

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sphery:

dmz: Sorry. I meant to tell you to restart mythbackend, but got sidetracked...

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iamlindoro:

correct

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yoshibond:

then my cable box uncompresses them and sends to the tv?

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Tanthrix:

yoshibond: And with dvi or hdmi outputs, they can also be encrypted. On a tivo, they will be encrypted. With output from linux, they won't be.

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iamlindoro:

correct

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|Torg|:

yoshibond EVERY digital signal you get, is compressed

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dmz:

was it the change in the space requirement that needed restart or just after cleaning everything up manually?

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|Torg|:

only analog isnt compressed, well not in the compression sence

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Tanthrix:

But regardless, both dvi/hdmi are uncompressed, so even if you had a supported hdmi capture card in linux, legally it couldn't access anything encrypted

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yoshibond:

so in that logic the cable box doesnt decompress the TV does? since it is still digital when the tv receives it

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Tanthrix:

No, te cable box does.

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|Torg|:

no yoshibond the cable box does, with a diedicated mpeg chip

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|Torg|:

so does mplayer

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iamlindoro:

Digital and compressed are NOT the same thing

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|Torg|:

so does mpg123

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|Torg|:

so do many, many programs

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Tanthrix:

tivo/mythtv/cable box/whatever = they uncompress the streams, and output them out in whatever way is necessary.

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yoshibond:

" yoshibond EVERY digital signal you get, is compressed"

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iamlindoro:

the HDMI from your cable box is an uncompressed, digital stream

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yoshibond:

ok

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iamlindoro:

yes, your digital signals are all compressed when you get them, that does not make them the same thing

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iamlindoro:

then your cable box turns it in to an UNCOMPRESSED digital stream for your masturbatory pleasure

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dmz:

if something is autoexpired is it set to record again (like delete & record again?)

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yoshibond:

so the only difference between computer based solutions like myth and media center and tivo is that tivo has a licence to unencrypt the output from the cable box?

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Tanthrix:

Yes

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iamlindoro:

and myth can do all the things that tivo can't

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Tanthrix:

But, not from the cable box. From the wall.

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yoshibond:

the only problem is that you need the cable box to receive 90% of the HD cahnnels

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|Torg|:

you get a digital signal, which is compressed. It is stored on your comptuer compressed (as a .mpg), you then play it with software rendering (sometimes we use things like xvmc to help in that rendering) and send it to a video card (via drivers, usualy things like X). That sets the signal out to a monitor uncompressed (could be companendt, VGA, HDMI)

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yoshibond:

and that probably wont change will it?

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Tanthrix:

yoshibond: Go read that wiki I sent you. Read it slowly and carefully. Then come back here if you have anymore questions

[21:20:35]

iamlindoro:

not unless society does

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sphery:

yoshibond: I get 100% of the channels on my source unencrypted (of course, my source is an antenna)

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Tanthrix:

It explains your options, and that you MIGHT not need a cable box

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yoshibond:

yes but do u get discovery and sprots etc?

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|Torg|:

sphery I actlay have encrytped ATSC too, not that I care to watch it anyway

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yoshibond:

in canada i dont get any channels OTA yet

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Tanthrix:

Yes, he does. Now go read the wiki!

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yoshibond:

(hi def.)

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Dagmar:

bursel sprots

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yoshibond:

ok

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sphery:

|Torg|: That's weird. what channels?

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i10neorg:

Myth is failing on a single channel (that has worked in the past) complaining about "PAT not containing our desired program".

[21:21:59]

i10neorg:

mplayer is able to display the channel myth is having trouble with.

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gbee:

i10neorg: re-scan

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|Torg|:

its some sort of cheap cable they sell at wallmart I can get the url for them if you like. They have one unencrypted cahnnel its a fake multiplex advertising there siervic

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i10neorg:

Are there other tools I can use to investigate PAT problems?

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sphery:

i10neorg: Did you talk to PAT and ask him/her what the problem is?~

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sphery:

dvbsnoop

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i10neorg:

Yo, PAT! Give me my channel back!

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i10neorg:

gbee: re-scan is what I'd do in the channel config of mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro:

Mmmmm, Bursel Sprots....

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iamlindoro:

Ummm Yoshi asked me to tell you guys thanks for all the help and he's sorry he don't read good.

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i10neorg:

sphery: Thanks for dvbsnoop, I'm installing it now.

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gbee:

i10neorg: yes, it's probable that something has changed for that channel, it may not even be on the same multiplex any more which might explain the error

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i10neorg:

I did a new scan using the "scan" program from dvb-utils.

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gbee:

rescanning should ensure that the information that mythtv has for that channel is up to date

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gbee:

i10neorg: did you load that into mythtv?

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i10neorg:

I looked at the numbers it found (freq, pid(?)) and compared it to what I saw in myth's "channels" table, and it looked good.

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gbee:

I'd still import a channels.conf or rescan to be sure, there are a several things that need to be correct, the multiplex frequency in the dtv_multiplex table, the service id to name two and for ATSC there may be other factors as well

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i10neorg:

gbee: I saw those, thanks. And I did a rescan of just that channel, using the "mild update" option, in channel conf of mythtv-setup.

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sphery:

|Torg|: Cool. I hadn't heard of that. I guess it's a cable company that didn't want to run cables?

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i10neorg:

But I'm going to try that again to be sure, as you've suggested, thanks.

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|Torg|:

yes sphery they offer like 12 channels, things like bravo, usa, discovery, etc

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|Torg|:

I actualy called them to see if they had sci-fi, they dont. I was going to set up service

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sphery:

Is it high-def?

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|Torg|:

they come out put up a direcitonal antenna, and give you a STB that is essentaily a ATSC tuner, only thhey multiplex the PIDS

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sphery:

or 480i/p or something?

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|Torg|:

not even close :)

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sphery:

Just curious. Was wondering how they would get a license for sufficient bandwidth to do all those in high-def.

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iamlindoro:

Wish I could get unencrypted Discovery HD, and Universal HD... those are the only ones I would care to get

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|Torg|:

when I asked arround I found them seeling serivce at wal-mart (its not like I shop there every day) for like $8.95/month

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|Torg|:

where I live there are quite a few towers, in fact of the 30 or so ATSC channels I get about 10 are religious and 10 are in spanish

[21:35:30]

dmz:

ahh it only checks for how much free space to keep when backend starts

[21:35:34]

yoshibond:

im back torg – i have one question

[21:35:35]

sphery:

You should really show at Wal-Mart every day. That's when they have low prices. ("Every day low prices.")

[21:36:10]

sphery:

dmz: It uses the value of the setting?

[21:36:36]

yoshibond:

my one question : is component video encrypted?

[21:36:43]

sphery:

dmz: If you're saying it doesn't know that you updated the setting when you changed it through the MySQL client, that's correct--Myth caches settings values, so you have to use Myth to change them.

[21:36:45]

|Torg|:

nope

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sphery:

yoshibond: not encrypted, not compressed

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iamlindoro:

So still not possible to capture :)

[21:37:18]

iamlindoro:

ATM, anyway

[21:37:20]

i10neorg:

yoshibond: analog

[21:38:02]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, sure it is, if you want to pay a lot of money for a component capture card

[21:38:10]

sphery:

But analog isn't that bad (as long as the distances are short--like your typical component/VGA/... run inside your house)

[21:38:14]

yoshibond:

spery – so is there any problem with mythtv receving component output from the cable box?

[21:38:32]

yoshibond:

because i read that component can carry up to 1080p

[21:38:32]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: name a linux/myth supported board?

[21:38:36]

sphery:

yoshibond: you can't really et it into Myth.

[21:38:43]

sphery:

get it into

[21:38:50]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, that I donno bout

[21:38:51]

yoshibond:

are there any componetn video capture cards?

[21:39:04]

iamlindoro:

That's what I meant :)

[21:39:04]

Beirdo:

hwy are you asking that again?

[21:39:26]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, you said not capturable, not not capturable by myth :P

[21:39:32]

iamlindoro:

fair enough ;)

[21:39:39]

sphery:

needs to be compressed to MPEG-2, and even if you find a component capture card that does real-time MPEG-2 encoding and write Linux drivers for it, you'll have to write MythTV support for it.

[21:39:54]

iamlindoro:

yucky, all those D/A A/D Conversions

[21:41:38]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, you can get a relatively inexpensive SDI capture card, and then you could go Component to SDI, but still need drivers and myth support

[21:42:16]

sphery:

And SDI is uncompressed, so you'd need some serious disk space...

[21:42:26]

iamlindoro:

affirm

[21:42:35]

iamlindoro:

and a big ol' RAID 0

[21:42:50]

sphery:

How many petabytes will I need for my Myth setup?

[21:42:54]

iamlindoro:

lol

[21:43:23]

iamlindoro:

My Myth system just reached 2 TB with no end in sight

[21:43:31]

sphery:

At least the first 1TB (single) drive is on the market, now.

[21:43:39]

sphery:

I've hit 3TB

[21:43:47]

sphery:

Might actually be the end, though.

[21:43:54]

sphery:

Until, SHDTV

[21:43:56]

sphery:

:)

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|Torg|:

my master BE has 2TB mainly becase my wife likes to keep entire seasons online

[21:44:05]

iamlindoro:

I'm headed that direction... now the real concern is backing shit up

[21:44:24]

|Torg|:

I dont back up my recodrings, if they go, they go

[21:44:29]

iamlindoro:

I do too... I have practically nothing in my recordings, but many many full season DVDs of TV in Videos

[21:44:32]

sphery:

I like to wait 'til the next season to start watching new shows. If the show hasn't cancelled by then, I watch it.

[21:44:53]

iamlindoro:

Took me sooooo long to rip all my DVDs and re-encode, I live in fear of having to do that again

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sphery:

why re-encode?

[21:45:15]

iamlindoro:

I have a LOT of DVDs ;)

[21:45:24]

sphery:

Oh. Space reasons.

[21:45:28]

|Torg|:

get a DVD jukebox, its what I did :)

[21:45:45]

sphery:

I just hate putting in $1.50 to watch a show I already purchased.

[21:45:48]

kormoc:

until it rebels and smashes all your dvds?

[21:45:55]

sphery:

Those stupid jukebox prices...

[21:46:13]

fryfrog:

ahahah

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iamlindoro:

I reencode to about 1 GB each, and I still have nearly 2 TB full... if I lost it, I think I would have to go with a jukebox since I would cry if I had to load them all again

[21:46:19]

|Torg|:

I dont surf the web with my myth box, I play games on my comptuer and consoles, not my myth box, I watch DVD on my dvd player, not my myth box, I watch TV on my mythbox, thats it

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sphery:

kormoc: You could play them on an XBox 360 and let it scratch up the disks.

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|Torg|:

and untill I can get my myth system to accuratly flag commericals im not transcoding either

[21:48:03]

floppyears:

is it simple to make mythtv skip commercials ?

[21:48:14]

|Torg|:

its not difficult if thats what you mean

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|Torg|:

its difficult to get it 100% accurate tho

[21:48:37]

floppyears:

oh :(

[21:48:49]

floppyears:

how difficult ?

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sphery:

I don't transcode because I just delete after watching and HDD prices are pretty low now (Best Buy has a 1TB (external) HDD for $279, but I don't know if it's the new 1TB drive or 2 500GB drives).

[21:49:05]

|Torg|:

like not at all, its default you just tell it what methods to use

[21:49:08]

sphery:

That's $0.279/GB

[21:49:29]

i10neorg:

I've installed dvbsnoop, and am not sure where I should go now.

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|Torg|:

sphery is that online? if so do yo have a link to it?

[21:49:41]

sphery:

dvbsnoop -s pidscan

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i10neorg:

My worthless theory is that my problem channel stopped sending a good PAT, so myth is confused, but mplayer works because it doesn't look at the pat, and just uses the PID I told it in the channels.conf.

[21:50:36]

sphery:

|Torg|: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 177112455081

[21:50:43]

i10neorg:

sphery: I did that, thanks.

[21:50:55]

i10neorg:

And I do notice a difference in my problem channel.

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|Torg|:

sphery cool thanks :)

[21:50:59]

sphery:

i10neorg: make sure you tune it first (with azap or dvbtune or something)

[21:51:31]

i10neorg:

Namely, there are no "[SECTION: ATSC reserved]"

[21:51:37]

sphery:

then you'll need to dig through everything to see what its about

[21:51:53]

i10neorg:

sphery: yes, I tuned to a good channel, then a bad, and dvbsnooped on both to see what I saw.

[21:51:56]

gbee:

i10neorg: it's not a bad theory, but unforunately there is nothing myth can do about it (at least that I can think of right now), we look at the PAT and not the PID because PIDS tend to change frequently on some networks

[21:52:02]

sphery:

I don't know the ATSC specs at all, so I'm not a good help for what should be there (could only tell you what I've seen on mine)

[21:52:50]

floppyears:

how do you guys have partitioned your mythtv backend's hard drive ?

[21:52:51]

i10neorg:

gbee: Isn't not broadcasting a PAT /illegal/ or something?! :^)

[21:53:11]

i10neorg:

Could it be that a broadcaster is actually broken?

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|Torg|:

its not illegal no

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gbee:

i10neorg: it violates the DVB specs, and is very naughty, but not illegal

[21:53:45]

i10neorg:

Is there a way I can confirm my theory, and would it be of help to myth for me to continue investigating this strange case?

[21:54:00]

i10neorg:

gbee: Gotcha.

[21:54:22]

sphery:

i10neorg: If you find some info about what's happening on your stream, posting it to the -users list will probably solicit a response from Daniel who can probably tell you what to tell the station to change so they're doing things right.

[21:54:26]

|Torg|:

i10neorg and accodig to some ppl here I have talked to, apparnetly digital cable provider do things just like that

[21:54:37]

i10neorg:

For completeness, the problem channel is PBA 30 in Atlanta, Georgia, USA.

[21:54:44]

i10neorg:

Started maybe a week ago.

[21:54:49]

sphery:

OTA, right?

[21:54:56]

|Torg|:

I personally wouldtn know, other then putting unprintable chars in the PMT they dont do anything weird here

[21:55:07]

i10neorg:

sphery: yes.

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gbee:

unforunately a lot of broadcasters assume that specs are just rough guidelines and that what they are doing is "close enough"

[21:55:44]

sphery:

Or assume that seeing it work on consumer electronic equipment is a valid test for compliance with the spec

[21:56:13]

sphery:

valid, no; inexpensive, yes.

[21:56:25]

gbee:

some consumer gear is fair too lenient when it comes to non-compliant streams

[21:56:37]

i10neorg:

So if I post to the -users list a description of how myth is responding, my theory, and the output of "dvbsnoop -s pidscan", that might be worthwhile?

[21:57:04]

gbee:

i10neorg: post to the -dev list, it will get lost in the noise on the -users list

[21:57:12]

sphery:

|Torg|: If you get that external drive, please let me know if it's one or two disks (the size would allow 2, but that may be due to heat issues with the big drive)

[21:57:34]

i10neorg:

An analogy of webpages and web browsers and html/css specs comes to mind...

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|Torg|:

ok sphery Im thinking of putting it on my FE to use to store videos

[21:57:53]

sphery:

gbee: you forget that the noise on the -users list has died down now that some SD info has been released :)

[21:57:53]

|Torg|:

does anyone have a list of what each PID represents?

[21:58:05]

sphery:

but -dev is a good way to ensure Daniel sees it

[21:58:27]

i10neorg:

Okay, thanks guys.

[21:58:38]

gbee:

sphery: it was far too noisy for me even before the SD/Zap2It stuff :)

[21:58:55]

i10neorg:

gbee: Should I tell them you sent me there? I don't want' to get in trouble posting as a non-developer!

[21:59:02]

sphery:

i10neorg: Also, if you are able to diagnose past the pidscan, other dvbsnoop output may be useful. Chances are you'll be asked for other info (the right info) by someone in the know.

[21:59:14]

gbee:

besides, I'm not subscribed to the -users list anymore and I'm interested in the answer ;)

[21:59:21]

sphery:

i10neorg: I'm the guy who usually yells at people, and I promise not to yell at you.

[21:59:30]

sphery:

(at least this time)

[21:59:33]

i10neorg:

sphery: Hehe, thanks. :^)

[21:59:49]

gbee:

i10neorg: no need, your post would be on-topic and I promise to stick up for you if anyone gets upset

[21:59:59]

i10neorg:

gbee: kay.

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juski:

gbee: oh it's always worth being subscribed, incase you ever feel the need to post in reply to something objectionable ;)

[22:00:12]

juski:

just don't elect to receive emails :-P

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gbee:

juski: I'll live a good ten years longer without the stress of reading that list :)

[22:01:21]

sphery:

But what's the fun in living without that list?

[22:01:26]

Beirdo:

just started a DVB recording.. OTA.

[22:01:35]

Beirdo:

too bad it's such a craptacular channel :)

[22:01:50]

gbee:

Beirdo: heh, cool

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Beirdo:

see what kinda quality I can get anyways

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Beirdo:

meanwhile, my mythweb is mostly behaving

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Beirdo:

it wouldn't work with mod_perl

[22:02:43]

sphery:

I was quite disappointed in the quality of my first OTA DVB recording. It was bad timing--the show on the channel I chose was a poorly converted NTSC -> ATSC (1080i) without properly deinterlacing the NTSC before upscaling.

[22:02:51]

Beirdo:

but I don't care, it can go in CGI mode for all I care

[22:02:57]

Beirdo:

eww

[22:03:08]

juski:

well, bedtime g'night all

[22:03:14]

Beirdo:

well, this station's all 480i, I THINK

[22:03:17]

sphery:

Funny how often those happen... Becoming less common, though.

[22:03:18]

Beirdo:

not HD :)

[22:03:42]

|Torg|:

hell they letterbox commericals and encode 2 chanel AC3 on my ABC station here

[22:03:44]

sphery:

Yeah. That sounds craptacular

[22:03:49]

Beirdo:

and the SWF flash player gives me no audio for some reason

[22:03:49]

laga_:

Beirdo: does mythweb need a perl module?

[22:03:52]

|Torg|:

I swear they do that to fool my commerical detection

[22:04:03]

laga_:

Beirdo: are you on ubuntu? if so, recompile ffmpeg with mp3 support

[22:04:04]

Beirdo:

yeah, for the ASX streaming :)

[22:04:18]

Beirdo:

OMG, those tards disabled it?

[22:04:30]

Beirdo:

shouldn't be hard to fix then

[22:04:33]

gbee:

I was majorly impressed the first time I saw a DVB recording, I remember wondering why anyone would want HD when you could get SD with such a high quality image

[22:04:45]

sphery:

My locals cut from HDTV/5.1-ch AC-3 to upscaled NTSC/2-ch stereo just to put "bugs" (logos/ads) into the picture.

[22:04:49]

sphery:

Annoying as ...

[22:04:58]

Beirdo:

ewww

[22:05:01]

Beirdo:

that's so lame!

[22:05:15]

|Torg|:

althought the football (thats US football btw) looks spectacular in 720P :)

[22:05:25]

Beirdo:

gbee, yeah, HD is really nice, but digital capture of SD will do just fine for most things :)

[22:05:52]

sphery:

gbee: I completely agree. I think the US did things wrong. Instead of going to (expensive) HDTV, we should have gone straight to digital and convinced people that 1:1 pixel mapping is "a bad thing" at those resolutions so they would buy nice displays (i.e. like computer monitors, but TV sizes)

[22:06:12]

sphery:

The quality isn't that much lower, but the cost for the changeover is /significantly/ lower

[22:06:25]

sphery:

(except for the consumer who still has to buy the nice (expensive) display)

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sphery:

(straight to digital, means digital at 480p--without doing high-def until it's cheaper)

[22:07:47]

laga_:

digital does not always mean "good quality", though. especially not at lower bitrates

[22:08:05]

sphery:

right, but digital at appropriate bitrates will kick NTSC's butt

[22:08:23]

|Torg|:

digital HD menas I can see your rottend encoding mistakes easily

[22:08:37]

laga_:

true

[22:08:45]

sphery:

yeah. amazing how many shows are improperly encoded.

[22:08:52]

sphery:

(especially in places like the intros)

[22:09:10]

sphery:

you'd think they'd spend the time getting the intro done right just because it's used on every episode

[22:09:12]

|Torg|:

mostly in the blakcs, I can see banding (at least thats what I think its called)

[22:09:16]

sphery:

one time work, many times payout

[22:09:25]

sphery:

Yeah, MPEG doesn't like black.

[22:09:30]

|Torg|:

that and the into to many shows are color washed out

[22:09:34]

sphery:

but then again, NTSC changed black to purple

[22:10:14]

sphery:

I see a lot of blocking in intros (too low a bitrate for the fast-changing scenes)

[22:10:24]

sphery:

some HDTV commercials, too.

[22:11:08]

|Torg|:

I havnt seen any of those, yet

[22:11:16]

|Torg|:

im assuming their comming soon tho

[22:11:28]

sphery:

HDTV commercials?

[22:11:35]

|Torg|:

yes HDTV commericals

[22:11:47]

sphery:

I see them mainly from stores selling HDTV equipment (Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.)

[22:11:53]

sphery:

Guess that makes sense, though.

[22:12:07]

|Torg|:

then of course I only watch recorded TV, and implicitly cut out commericals

[22:12:08]

sphery:

(although the target consumer doesn't notice the difference...)

[22:12:37]

sphery:

I watch commercials every once in a while as an exercise in learning...

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|Torg|:

I was thinkign of writtig a commerical skip filter of "if does not cotain HD, or if does not contain AC3"

[22:13:12]

|Torg|:

blank screen dection is getting pretty poor

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sphery:

that would cut out the bugs for me (which /are/ often commercials, but they do occur at the same time as the program)

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sphery:

Also, with hurricanes and other long-term severe weather or elections when they put "info" around the show, they do the same upscaled NTSC with stereo

[22:14:44]

blackest:

hi is there a howto for mythweb currently i cant connect I lost a lot of services for some reason I have got apache back and working but mythweb is still borked

[22:15:23]

sphery:

the readme from MythWeb is the best place to start.

[22:15:31]

sphery:

But probably not too in-depth.

[22:15:46]

sphery:

I think there's an article on the wiki called "MythWeb" that's more detailed.

[22:16:07]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb

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blackest:

i wish i knew what had gone off i lost ssh the apache server didnt have httpd

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blackest:

i think i have mostly got it together again i hope i dont have to rebuild the backend server

[22:19:02]

sphery:

are you sure you didn't get cracked?

[22:19:16]

blackest:

it is possible i guess

[22:19:21]

sphery:

scary

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blackest:

first i knew was ssh wasn't running

[22:20:13]

blackest:

i finished up reinstallling open shh apache slimserver and mythweb

[22:20:41]

blackest:

i think its nearly back running its usual services

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blackest:

just mythweb not letting me in

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|Torg|:

define not letting me in

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sphery:

good luck with it and I hope you get the problems fixed (rather than just the symptoms)--assuming it's possible to identify the original problems.

[22:24:01]

|Torg|:

so is there some trick to getting asx streaming to work? mine just shows the player but refuses to show anyhting else

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sphery:

|Torg|: you mean the external player app pops up when you click the asx link?

[22:40:10]

|Torg|:

no I mean it pops up a applet (I think it is) in firefox, with play buttons and voume at the bottom

[22:40:19]

|Torg|:

vlc simply gets conncetion errors

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|Torg|:

I cant seem to play them with anything

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sphery:

If it's not playing anything back, it's probably a result of a) the player doesn't support SSL or b) you have Myth protected with username/password (as you should), and the external app doesn't know the username/password

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|Torg|:

maybe its the first, I dont have ssl on the server

[22:41:34]

sphery:

If you're not using SSL for MythWeb, that's not the problem

[22:41:47]

sphery:

That's actually the easiest way to configure Myth for streaming.

[22:41:55]

|Torg|:

im not, nor do I have a login or password defined

[22:42:00]

Kernel:

hello all is there such a thing that goes from the svideo out on my video card to those three plugsin(re yellow and white). im not sure what the 3 ones are called

[22:42:05]

sphery:

(But I always use SSL/TLS when transmitting passwords)

[22:42:12]

Kernel:

my tv sucks and doesnt have a svideo in

[22:42:29]

sphery:

Did you check the apache logs to see if there are errors there when the player tries to connect?

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|Torg|:

of course, that was the first thing I chcekd, then I checked the backend logs, nothing in either

[22:43:01]

fryfrog:

Kernel: they are called RCA and most video cards with svideo out come with an adapter to go to the yellow RCA plug

[22:43:20]

sphery:

Kernel: You want to go from S-Video to composite? If so, it's possible, but almost all the adapters have issues that are likely to mean you'll eventually get black/white video

[22:43:21]

fryfrog:

you might also be able to make or buy one, i think it is a pretty simple circuit

[22:43:38]

sphery:

composite is 1 yellow RCA jack for video and 2 (red and white) RCA jacks for audio.

[22:44:00]

Kernel:

hmm

[22:44:04]

sphery:

The red/white jacks are still needed for S-Video, so really it's just the yellow you're changing, right?

[22:44:08]

fryfrog:

and most of the time, your video card can be put into svideo *or* RCA mode, but i think it expects the adapter it came with

[22:44:25]

|Torg|:

actualy composite is the yellow video only, audio is seperate

[22:44:27]

Kernel:

i found the svidoe cable that came with my card but no adapter....i probly lost it

[22:44:36]

sphery:

(There's also component, which uses 3 cables for video, but that's another beast and less likely to be supported on a TV without S-Video)

[22:44:53]

Kernel:

well i would like to go from my svideo to my tv

[22:45:07]

Kernel:

which has 2 plugs one for video and one for audio

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Kernel:

which i do belive are the rca inputs

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|Torg|:

rca inputs is a physical decrition

[22:45:40]

sphery:

If there's only one plug for video (and audio is separate), it's almost definitely composite

[22:45:59]

Kernel:

oh well maby it is...its a old small tv

[22:46:09]

sphery:

probably, then

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fryfrog:

"composite" and "rca" are the same thing

[22:46:33]

|Torg|:

compiste != rca same as rj11 =! phone

[22:46:40]

Kernel:

so if i where to look online what would i shop for? svideo to composite?

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|Torg|:

rca is the physical decrtion of the connection type

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sphery:

I've never had much luck with S-Video to Composite (or Composite to S-Video) adapters. Cards that support both (with a special 6-pin S-Video-like connector on the board and a special "bundle-o-cables" connector) work best.

[22:48:29]

|Torg|:

fryfrog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCA_connector

[22:49:38]

sphery:

I think they just use the standard 4-pins for S-Video and the 2 extra are the 2 signals for composite

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sphery:

In other words, if the S-Video output on your card has 6 holes in it, I highly recommend looking at the card manufacturer's website (or wherever) for a replacement cable/adapter thingy

[22:51:09]

Kernel:

4 holes

[22:51:21]

Kernel:

its a bfgtech gefoce 7800 GT OC

[22:51:23]

|Torg|:

then its simply and Y/C cable

[22:51:24]

sphery:

Oh, then you probably have to just get an adapter to convert one to another.

[22:51:27]

Kernel:

*geforce

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Kernel:

maby ill just wait and get a new tv sometime.

[22:51:58]

sphery:

That's your problem. You bought a nice card. Manufacturers figure you'll never use a nice card with a not-nice TV. :)

[22:52:07]

Kernel:

this old one sucks...its a tv/vcr lol

[22:52:14]

Kernel:

hehe

[22:52:14]

sphery:

Especially since the card probably costs more than a TV these days.

[22:52:29]

Kernel:

ive had this card for i think2+ years

[22:52:32]

Kernel:

and its great

[22:52:34]

Kernel:

i love it

[22:53:20]

Kernel:

so when/if i do get this.....can i use my computer while i watch tv?

[22:53:55]

sphery:

dual/multi-head Myth boxes aren't really a good way of doing things.

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sphery:

I'm not recommending this one (so when it doesn't work you can't blame me), but you'll need something like http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Go-13058-Bi-Dire . . . 1&sr=8-1

[22:54:42]

sphery:

good luck with chrominance

[22:55:13]

Kernel:

i think ill wait till i get a new tv.

[22:55:22]

Kernel:

seems like to much for somthing that may not even work.

[22:55:33]

Kernel:

to much effort.

[22:55:59]

sphery:

But, on the bright side, it's cheap...

[22:56:11]

sphery:

Might be able to find one at a local Radio Shack or Circuit City or ...

[22:57:46]

sphery:

Hmmm. It's 7 pins, not 6 in the quasi-DIN connector.

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sphery:

The reason for the extra pin is because typically, 2 of the three get shorted together to enable the composite side.

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Beirdo:

eeek

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Beirdo:

mega mpeg2video spewage while doing commercial flagging on this OTA show

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laga_:

turn off -v all pls kthx

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

not using -v all

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laga_:

;)

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fryfrog:

Beirdo: I got the same thing from my firewire recordings, I think it was due to crappy video

[23:07:15]

fryfrog:

but it played back no-problemmo

[23:07:16]

Beirdo:

yeah, I'd expect so

[23:07:39]

fryfrog:

well, except the ones that didn't

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Beirdo:

hehe

[23:07:48]

fryfrog:

but they crashed mythcommflag, not make it spew crap

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rpozz:

hi, does anyone know how to make mythtv output stereo sound to 5.1 speakers?

[23:11:23]

rpozz:

ie not just the front ones?

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|Torg|:

fake surround?

[23:11:50]

rpozz:

yeah

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sphery:

rpozz: using analog outputs?

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|Torg|:

what is going to recive the output?

[23:12:17]

rpozz:

Input is from MythTV, output is through analouge to 5.1 speakers

[23:12:36]

rpozz:

created the ch51dup device in asound.conf which seems to work in mplayer

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|Torg|:

what connects the 6 speakers to mythtv?

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rpozz:

SoundBlaster Audigy LS

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sphery:

rpozz: ttable. see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/134552#134552

[23:13:01]

rpozz:

thanks

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|Torg|:

you have to create a alsa devie with ttable copiing the outputs

[23:13:18]

rpozz:

I've got that bit done..

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sphery:

you'll have to adapt it from 5.1->7.1 to 2.0->5.1

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sphery:

Then just set your audio output device in myth to "ALSA:ch51dup" and the mixer device to "default" (no quotes on either)

[23:14:47]

rpozz:

ah, missed that bit ;)

[23:14:58]

sphery:

Or, change the default output in ALSA with a pcm.!default definition

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|Torg|:

or make ch51dup default :)

[23:15:10]

rpozz:

made it default though..

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sphery:

What device did you set in Myth?

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rpozz:

Default

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sphery:

"ALSA:default"

[23:15:36]

rpozz:

actually

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rpozz:

..

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sphery:

the default value will have been /dev/dsp (possibly with a number)

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sphery:

or /dev/sound/dsp

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sphery:

you type in "ALSA:default"

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rpozz:

Yeah, using /dev/dsp

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|Torg|:

btw if you have any AC3/DTS stuff you wont get it, if you do that

[23:17:56]

rpozz:

Don't suppose there's a way to make it auto-detect 5.1 or stereo sound?

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|Torg|:

you can set up a digial mix output as efault, and forget about tweeking 2.0 to 5.1

[23:19:23]

|Torg|:

of course its ALLOT easier if you simply use a sourround sound decoder

[23:19:45]

sphery:

If you're decoding AC-3/DTS with Myth, it's only outputting 2-channel audio. If you use AC-3/DTS passthrough, it won't be affected by the ALSA filters. So, it's a moot point.

[23:20:13]

sphery:

The only way to get multi-channel output from Myth is passthrough or http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1104 (which may not even apply to current trunk)

[23:21:12]

sphery:

So, myth will output stereo and the ALSA filters will copy those channels to surround channels and you'll get stereo on 7.1 speakers

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rpozz:

got it

[23:21:48]

rpozz:

set audio output to ALSA:ch51dup

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rpozz:

thanks guys

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sphery:

that's the best approach

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sphery:

glad it works

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Beirdo:

hahahah

[23:26:26]

Beirdo:

it says that 1h show had 139 commercial breaks

[23:26:29]

Beirdo:

I think not

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Beirdo:

but the rebuilt ffmpeg seems to work better

[23:28:50]

Beirdo:

hehe

[23:29:03]

Beirdo:

now to peg that mother so it doesn't get upgraded

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|Torg|:

what did you rebuild ffmpeg for?

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laga_:

my apt-get in gutsy is broken. sigh

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Beirdo:

to get mp3 support

[23:32:11]

Beirdo:

ubuntu (and debian) packagers are patent nazis

[23:32:42]

|Torg|:

I play mp3s fine on my debina box with the packaged ffmpeg

[23:32:56]

Beirdo:

can you convert stuff TO mp3?

[23:32:58]

Beirdo:

nope

[23:33:07]

Beirdo:

they disable liblame support

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Beirdo:

libmad (for decoding) they seem happy with

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** Beirdo shrugs **

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|Torg|:

hmm ffplay seems to work fine

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laga_:

really now

[23:36:04]

|Torg|:

my mp3s work, should I try something else?

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Beirdo:

I'd bet you are using a 3rd party package then :)

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|Torg|:

ii ffmpeg 20060814–0.3sarge1 audio/video encoder, streaming server & audio/video file convert

[23:36:56]

|Torg|:

not as far as I know

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Beirdo:

DE mp3 MPEG audio layer 3

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Beirdo:

ahh :)

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Beirdo:

ffmpeg -formats | grep mp3

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|Torg|:

yes I have the same

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Beirdo:

then you are fine :)

[23:40:17]

Beirdo:

ubuntu must be even more patent-nazi than debian

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|Torg|:

I didnt think otherwise I was just wondering why you said you had to recompile it

[23:40:49]

|Torg|:

if you REALLY REALLY dont want it upgraded use checkinstall and call it like vrison 9999999

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Beirdo:

there's a pin capability for apt

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laga_:

*blink*

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laga_:

checkinstall? bah

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laga_:

tomimo: did you get your ffmpeg from debian or debian-multimedia.org?

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|Torg|:

why do you dislike checkinstall so

[23:41:51]

laga_:

sorry, i meant tomimo

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laga_:

err, |Torg|

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|Torg|:

mine is a stright Debina install + a few apt-get upgrades

[23:42:45]

Mr_Grieves_:

I've got quite the headache...I'm trying to set up mythweb on my brother's ubuntu box. He has lampp installed, and the web path is /opt/lampp/htdocs . I installed mythweb through apt-get and then copied the /var/www/mythweb into /opt/lampp/htdocs. No matter what I do, when I point the browser to mythweb I get a 403 Forbidden page.

[23:43:26]

|Torg|:

its from the rewite, you did change the conf file, right?

[23:43:32]

laga_:

Mr_Grieves_: edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/mythwebdir

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|Torg|:

alsmo make sure its readable by the webserver

[23:44:24]

laga_:

/var/www/mythweb is just a symlink anyways

[23:44:27]

laga_:

afaik

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|Torg|:

laga_ I was wrong I do have debina-mutimeida defined. Its been so long I forget

[23:44:44]

laga_:

tomimo: :)

[23:44:48]

laga_:

err, |Torg|

[23:45:02]

laga_:

i guess that's what you get for having those silly pipes in your nick name

[23:45:12]

|Torg|:

so I must have gotten it from there duing one of the many upgrades this thing has gone through

[23:45:24]

|Torg|:

I cant help it Torg is already registerd

[23:46:47]

Aval0n:

hey does anyone know if that msi 7300GS takes up 2 pci slots?

[23:46:53]

Aval0n:

the heat sink looks pretty big

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Mr_Grieves_:

laga_: It's still giving me the error. Interestingly, if I delete .htaccess, I can get into the folder, but the mythweb.php doesn't work, since it needs the db info in .htaccess

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Aval0n:

I only have 3 slots available

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|Torg|:

why do you want to use a 7300GS?

[23:47:39]

Aval0n:

for the hdmi

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Mr_Grieves_:

I've tried commenting out everything but the db info in .htaccess, but I still couldn't access mythweb

[23:48:02]

|Torg|:

Mr_Grieves_ whats in your apache error logs?

[23:50:46]

rpozz:

Aval0n: Usually, the lower-end models of any given generation of card only take up one slot

[23:50:57]

laga_:

Mr_Grieves_: maybe you need to edit something in the .htaccess.

[23:51:08]

laga_:

Mr_Grieves_: like the path or something

[23:51:09]

Mr_Grieves_:

aha! the logs say the file is not readable, but .htaccess is. What I didn't notice is that it is a symlink whose target was not readable :)

[23:51:13]

laga_:

Mr_Grieves_: also check your error logs

[23:51:29]

|Torg|:

see those error logs help :)

[23:51:57]

Mr_Grieves_:

now I enter mythweb, but mythweb.php still gives a database error. I should be able to get it from here :) thanks

[23:52:29]

Mr_Grieves_:

I was checking the logs, but lampp puts them in a strange place...I hate fixing other people's setups :)

[23:53:21]

Mr_Grieves_:

I was looking at /var/log/.... instead of /opt/lampp/log/... arg....why can't people just stick with regular apache :D

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