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| [00:00:33] | hads: | knowledgejunkie: Ever get any feedback about those XMLTV DTD changes? |
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| [00:01:39] | knowledgejunkie: | hads: Hey! Not yet. I've been busy trying hard not to break tv_grab_uk_rt. |
| [00:02:38] | hads: | I saw there were some issues there. All under control now? |
| [00:02:56] | knowledgejunkie: | hads: i've been trying to find some time to look at this (and support in the grabber etc) but I've been sidetracked recently by looking at patches for MythTV... |
| [00:03:13] | knowledgejunkie: | hads: all issues accounted for :) |
| [00:03:19] | knowledgejunkie: | hads: i hope... |
| [00:03:39] | hads: | knowledgejunkie: heh :) 'tis unfortunate that there isn't more interest in the changes. |
| [00:03:47] | Anduin: | knowledgejunkie: Probably only me not making it to the bottom of my bug list yesterday, I'll try to get to it soon, feel free to poke if it doesn't happen quickly. |
| [00:05:48] | knowledgejunkie: | Anduin: Thanks Anduin. As it's been 2 months without a ticket update I was wondering if there was a problem with the patch or just a lack of time to commit it |
| [00:08:36] | Anduin: | knowledgejunkie: Just time or I didn't look at it yet (though I think I did), I e-mail directly and/or to -dev if there are issues. |
| [00:08:56] | knowledgejunkie: | Anduin: cool, I'll keep an eye out for further updates. Cheres |
| [00:09:02] | knowledgejunkie: | Anduin: Cheers |
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| [02:28:45] | JeffATL: | i'm about to use a mobo's S3-based s-video out. is 16MB enough shared video ram? 32MB? more? |
| [02:30:29] | kormoc: | 1080p only uses ~ 4 megabytes per frame, typically double buffered... so 8 megs should do it for just display. No idea on what might be required for any acceleration or the like, or even if s3 can |
| [02:30:57] | clever: | i have an s3 virge card with tvout |
| [02:31:03] | clever: | not shure how large the mem is |
| [02:31:11] | JeffATL: | i can't deal in hdtv in any case – tuner card won't take |
| [02:31:25] | clever: | and didnt stick it in my myth box since the agp slot allready had a more powerfull and working card |
| [02:31:32] | kormoc: | yet another wonderfully helpful comment by clever... |
| [02:31:36] | clever: | lol |
| [02:32:17] | JeffATL: | kormoc: well, at least it's an S3 that he has, so it's not a complete no-sequitur... |
| [02:32:20] | JeffATL: | non |
| [02:37:23] | clever: | also when i left to go camping on the weekend |
| [02:37:32] | clever: | mythbackend killed itself:P |
| [02:37:52] | clever: | got stuck in the feedback loop ive seen before(while loging to drive) |
| [02:38:02] | clever: | 7gig log file latter all my recordings expired away on there own |
| [02:39:51] | wh0dat: | i rebooted my mythtv box and all of a sudden getting no sound! was working great before i rebooted. dmesg is showing : hda-intel: no codecs found! ...any ideas? |
| [02:40:24] | JeffATL: | wow |
| [02:40:31] | kormoc: | might want to talk to your distro folks about that one |
| [02:40:40] | JeffATL: | that kind of "wtf happened?" is how my last mythtv rig went |
| [02:41:03] | wh0dat: | heh |
| [02:41:43] | clever: | test the audio mythtv is set to |
| [02:41:51] | clever: | see if its mythtv's fault or the drivers fault |
| [02:41:59] | kormoc: | yeah, cause myth can cause that error... |
| [02:42:26] | JeffATL: | anyway, kormoc – i will try it set to 16MB. this box only has 256MB so it matters |
| [02:42:33] | clever: | might be myth sending audio in a codec the driver cant handle |
| [02:42:56] | kormoc: | that error only happens during initialization of the driver, not during playback |
| [02:43:05] | kormoc: | it's not a myth or a userspace app problem |
| [02:43:07] | clever: | ahh |
| [02:43:34] | wh0dat: | clever: /dev/mixer is awol... |
| [02:43:49] | clever: | could be the driver not working fully |
| [02:43:51] | kormoc: | clever, this is exactly why people shouldn't give sudgestions when they don't know, cause that could have turned into a huge waste of time for wh0dat... |
| [02:43:52] | clever: | or at all |
| [02:43:54] | wh0dat: | but i see all the *snd* stuff in lsmod |
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| [02:44:16] | clever: | kormoc: a simple play audio in another prog would test most of the drivers+hardware |
| [02:44:19] | kormoc: | clever, *no shit!* the driver fails to load properly and you think it *could* be not working fully? |
| [02:44:22] | clever: | and would be fast |
| [02:44:32] | clever: | he didnt say if it was at playback or init |
| [02:44:50] | kormoc: | clever, he said it was output from dmesg, and given that driver, it's during init |
| [02:45:00] | wh0dat: | i said its in the dmesg , which is before myth even loads :) |
| [02:45:16] | kormoc: | wh0dat, is snd-hda-codec being loaded? |
| [02:45:19] | clever: | he could have checked dmesg after myth was not working |
| [02:45:48] | kormoc: | clever, doesn't matter. You don't know the driver and suggesting wild chases is just a waste of everyone's time. |
| [02:46:08] | wh0dat: | kormoc: yes |
| [02:46:25] | kormoc: | wh0dat, did you compile this kernel yourself? |
| [02:46:36] | wh0dat: | nope |
| [02:46:54] | wh0dat: | like i said it was working.. all i did was reboot, no other changes |
| [02:47:07] | kormoc: | wh0dat, what distro? |
| [02:47:21] | wh0dat: | like its been up for two weeks and i had to reboot to move the power plug... lol |
| [02:47:31] | wh0dat: | knoppmyth |
| [02:47:50] | kormoc: | can you try rmmod snd_hda_intel and then modprobe it again and see if it works? |
| [02:47:56] | wh0dat: | i checked the knoppmyth forums, couldnt find anything relavent |
| [02:48:06] | wh0dat: | sure |
| [02:48:30] | wh0dat: | it loaded fine |
| [02:48:52] | kormoc: | typically that error is caused by the modules being loaded out of order. |
| [02:49:04] | wh0dat: | really? hmm |
| [02:49:14] | kormoc: | so does it work? :P |
| [02:49:52] | wh0dat: | full error: ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/hda_intel.c: 1593: hda-intel: no codecs found! |
| [02:50:21] | kormoc: | Hrm... not familar with knoppmyth, but do they have a sound setup app? |
| [02:50:26] | wh0dat: | nope doesnt work |
| [02:50:35] | wh0dat: | aumix: error opening mixer |
| [02:50:48] | kormoc: | have the mixer devices around this time? |
| [02:51:14] | wh0dat: | sound setup.. hmm.. dont know of one |
| [02:51:29] | wh0dat: | do what about mixer? |
| [02:51:47] | kormoc: | do you have devices under /dev/snd/ ? |
| [02:52:11] | wh0dat: | only /dev/snd/timer |
| [02:52:32] | kormoc: | Hrm indeed... and I assume you've rebooted and it didn't work the second time as well? |
| [02:52:34] | wh0dat: | i beleive my system uses /dev/mixer |
| [02:52:45] | wh0dat: | yup |
| [02:53:03] | kormoc: | those are ALSA drivers, and then you would use the alsa oss compatibility layer to create the oss devices like /dev/mixer |
| [02:53:17] | wh0dat: | i made sure my sound card is on in bios. (its integrated on the mb) |
| [02:53:36] | wh0dat: | oic |
| [02:53:44] | kormoc: | can you pastebin your full dmesg output and lsmod ? |
| [02:53:54] | wh0dat: | sure |
| [02:54:05] | wh0dat: | strange that its all loading in lsmod but alsa fails |
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| [02:59:54] | wh0dat: | http://pastebin.org/166 |
| [03:06:01] | wh0dat: | did i lose you? =) |
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| [03:45:50] | inteliwasp: | is it posible to view the guide with no tv ard installed? |
| [03:47:21] | ** inteliwasp wonders if everyone is sleeping... ** | |
| [03:49:35] | ** inteliwasp hears crickets ** | |
| [03:49:56] | inteliwasp: | i'll ask again in the morning then |
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| [03:50:22] | hads: | Hmm, patient. |
| [03:53:20] | tjcarter: | okay, I want Mac Mythfrontend to tie into Frontrow 2.0 ;) |
| [03:55:01] | tjcarter: | Frontrow 2.0 literally looks and works like Apple TV interface. |
| [03:55:15] | tjcarter: | in fact, I'd argue it's Apple TV without the network stuff. |
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| [03:56:50] | tjcarter: | http://worldofapple.com/photos/leopard_9a499/ . . . frontrow.jpg <-- look like that. |
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| [04:38:12] | mokkan: | hey, i cant get MythDVD to play dvd's |
| [04:38:14] | mokkan: | any ideas? |
| [04:41:37] | hads: | Look at the frontend log. |
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| [04:59:47] | JeffATL: | recommended FS for mythtv storage area? |
| [05:04:50] | JeffATL: | does a pvr-150 have a way that you can have it encode mpeg2 and not mpeg1? |
| [05:05:49] | Aval0n: | pvr 150's dont encode mpeg2 by default? |
| [05:05:53] | Anduin: | JeffATL: Yes, mpeg1 isn't used normally |
| [05:06:42] | JeffATL: | i'm not sure – i copied some output files to a macbook pro and it said they were mpeg1 and the quicktime player would not play them although another one would – i find it off because ordinarily the qt player plays mpegs just fine |
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| [05:18:04] | JeffATL: | recommended FS for mythtv storage area? |
| [05:18:45] | Aval0n: | ext3 |
| [05:20:20] | pat_: | some people use xfs also |
| [05:20:26] | pat_: | whatever floats your boat |
| [05:20:55] | JeffATL: | pat_: any particular rationale for that? |
| [05:21:14] | pat_: | apparently large file deletes are quicker on xfs than ext3 |
| [05:22:04] | pat_: | search the mail archives and the wiki |
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| [05:22:13] | pat_: | that question has been asked by many before you |
| [05:22:20] | JeffATL: | if journal recovery were more reliable for large files, i might |
| [05:22:24] | JeffATL: | undr xfs that us |
| [05:22:25] | JeffATL: | is |
| [05:22:36] | pat_: | you'll be able to read about the pros and cons of all the filesystems |
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| [07:30:43] | Paladine: | anyone know if I have to restart mythbackend if I make changes to the bitrate in recording profiles section of mythfrontend? |
| [07:31:16] | Paladine: | because I lowered the bitrate by 300kb/s but the file size hasn't changed for a 1 hour recording |
| [07:31:44] | juski: | you shouldn't have to |
| [07:31:56] | Paladine: | weird I didn't think I would either |
| [07:32:13] | juski: | 300kb/sec isn't much to change a bitrate by anyway |
| [07:32:20] | juski: | just get a bigger HDD ya wuss |
| [07:32:23] | Paladine: | I would have thought knocking the bitrate from 5000 to 4700 would have shaved a little off the file size |
| [07:32:33] | Paladine: | I have plenty of hd space |
| [07:32:50] | Paladine: | I did it to make them more suitably sized for dvd archiving |
| [07:33:07] | juski: | ah |
| [07:33:42] | Paladine: | mind you I changed the format from mpeg ps to DVD2 maybe that has added the little bit I removed |
| [07:37:28] | juski: | well yeah you'd be comparing apples & oranges |
| [07:37:41] | juski: | anyway I just can |
| [07:38:10] | juski: | I just can't be arsed with this. it's monday morning FFS. I'm already more pissed off than is possible |
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| [07:54:30] | damann: | question: how could i make the mythtv rename the recorded show, for example with the show's title and day?? |
| [07:55:15] | Anduin: | damann: There is a mythrename.pl in contrib that can do it |
| [07:55:37] | damann: | ok, i will try that.. .thanks |
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| [07:56:14] | Anduin: | damann: It will probably do more than you want, what are you really looking for? |
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| [08:03:53] | damann: | just that the mythtv would give the recorded files something simpler name... |
| [08:04:08] | damann: | like format Show tili |
| [08:04:34] | damann: | like format show title – episode title – recording date |
| [08:05:34] | damann: | and even put different series to their folders... that's not mandatory to me.. :P |
| [08:18:17] | Tanthrix: | damann: Yah, just run that script and you'll be happy. |
| [08:18:31] | Tanthrix: | Minus the folders bit. |
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| [08:23:07] | hads: | It will do folders by the looks if you specify a / in the format argument. |
| [08:23:54] | juski: | just use mythrename --link /dirname & it'll build symlinks to a convenient place – no need to risk breaking the db |
| [08:24:35] | juski: | or (now here's a concept!) read the usage guide by issuing the mythrename command with no arguments!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| [08:36:33] | juski: | scratch that about the no args. you need to use --help. muh |
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| [08:38:12] | juski: | and by the looks of it, it won't move shows into subdirs – only when it makes links |
| [08:41:13] | mchou: | hey ShockValue, if you're around I wanna know what comcast told you re 5C |
| [08:41:39] | ShockValue: | they told me "i dunno", then i had a kid, and havent persued it any further :) |
| [08:41:52] | mchou: | ShockValue: oh, congrats |
| [08:42:07] | mchou: | ShockValue: forgot you were expecting :) |
| [08:42:18] | ShockValue: | she's cute.. but tonight is driving me nuts >:) |
| [08:42:33] | mchou: | haha!! no doubt |
| [08:42:41] | mchou: | your first? |
| [08:42:47] | ShockValue: | yeah |
| [08:42:51] | mchou: | heh |
| [08:43:24] | mchou: | did your wife curse you out while delivering? :) |
| [08:43:34] | ShockValue: | she acts like she's hungry.. so we stick her on a boob.. and she falls asleep.. so we put her in the crib, and she wakes up and acts like she's hungry.. <rinse...repeat> |
| [08:44:25] | ShockValue: | heh kinda.. i was in change of "counting".. and the nurse would interrupt me and ask questions sometimes, and she'd yell at me to keep counting :) |
| [08:44:35] | mchou: | lol |
| [08:44:52] | mchou: | that's nothing |
| [08:46:37] | ShockValue: | yeah, it wasnt too bad. (for me) :) |
| [08:47:23] | mchou: | I've had friends that said their wives turned into Linda Blair a la "Exorcist." Threatened unspeakable acts on their hubbies..... |
| [08:48:15] | mchou: | ShockValue: so you are no longer watching tv these days, I take it? |
| [08:49:08] | ShockValue: | lots of it, kinda... baby soothing in arms while pacing around the living room with something on the TV |
| [08:49:26] | ShockValue: | havent had time to screw with myth or comcast though |
| [08:49:33] | mchou: | yeah, no doubt |
| [08:50:21] | mchou: | maybe you'll mess with myth after 3 yrs :) |
| [08:50:47] | mchou: | maybe by that time cablecard will finally work :) |
| [08:51:55] | mchou: | honestly I was hoping you'd open up a can of whup'ass on comcast earlier |
| [08:52:28] | mchou: | b4 the baby arrived |
| [08:53:57] | ShockValue: | yeah me too.. ill get back at them shortly |
| [08:54:13] | ShockValue: | im gonna go pass out now.. she's asleep finally :) |
| [08:54:53] | mchou: | sic' the crying baby in comcast ears, that'd cure them pronto! |
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| [10:34:11] | harzi: | when recording via pvr-500 and some channels contain vbi-info I can't view them with a weak frontend. when this vbi-info are missing (e.g. via other tuner or channel that does not provide such info on the pvr 500) everything goes smooth |
| [10:36:23] | harzi: | all my frontends have the same problem, but on the powerfull machines you can't notice until you start "mythtvfrontend -v vbi" and already in recordings-preview on such recordings with vbi-info, the console-output drives crazy "TeletextDecoder: No Teletext Viewer defined" and such... |
| [10:37:09] | harzi: | myth-setup is set to PAL and VBI to none and I tried all possible combos too, no success there |
| [10:38:18] | harzi: | how can i tweak mythtv to suppress vbi at all? |
| [10:38:38] | juski: | not sure if 'teletext' works in mythtv at all. VBI subtitles do I think though |
| [10:38:59] | juski: | if teletext DOES work in mythtv, I've yet to see evidence of it |
| [10:39:03] | harzi: | juski: yeah, this are for the captions and i don't need them |
| [10:39:27] | juski: | harzi: so just ignore the console messages |
| [10:39:46] | harzi: | juski: this messages use a lot of cpu-power |
| [10:39:57] | harzi: | or maybe not the messages themselfs |
| [10:40:41] | harzi: | we are talking about 50%cpu on a AMD Geode |
| [10:45:16] | juski: | maybe uncheck 'always display CC or subtitles' in tv playback settings |
| [10:45:45] | caitlin: | so i found out why i couldn't get my tuner cards to work. My gf had plugged the lead into the TV not the computer. |
| [10:45:54] | caitlin: | they were trying to tune to static |
| [10:45:56] | caitlin: | lame |
| [10:46:08] | juski: | rolfmao |
| [10:46:21] | caitlin: | :D |
| [10:46:26] | caitlin: | i'm still blonde |
| [10:47:16] | juski: | eew. the UK govt plans to make hacking tools illegal. wtf is that supposed to mean. Linux? compilers? what? |
| [10:47:38] | caitlin: | it can plan all it likes |
| [10:47:47] | caitlin: | it's unenforcable |
| [10:51:00] | harzi: | someone a clue how to turn off vbi/teletext info |
| [10:51:22] | harzi: | maybe ivtv? |
| [10:57:54] | juski: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtvctl_new |
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| [11:04:58] | harzi: | hm, my ivtvctl version 0.10.1 does not support the get and set vbi-passthrough |
| [11:06:07] | juski: | try v4l2-ctl then |
| [11:06:21] | harzi: | juski: but thats for bttv? |
| [11:06:29] | juski: | NO IT ISN'T |
| [11:06:32] | harzi: | oh |
| [11:06:48] | juski: | all the answers you need are at ivtvdriver.org |
| [11:07:01] | juski: | I'm sure as hell not gonna read it all out for you |
| [11:07:32] | harzi: | juski: easy, i am reading it since an hour |
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| [11:12:19] | harzi: | but the v4l2-ctl tip was good, i was wrong thinking it belongs to bttv... |
| [11:21:37] | harzi: | hm, vbi thigs turned off and still this higher cpu usage. strange... |
| [11:24:14] | zigovr: | hi all, if I set "visible" to 0 for a channel in the "channel" table, will it still be used for recording ? |
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| [11:38:56] | juski: | GRRR. just taken 20 minutes to go to the postoffice to send ONE ferkin case badge. damn skinflint Brits. Might make the minimum order qrt 4 |
| [11:39:04] | juski: | s/qrt/qty |
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| [11:40:36] | juski: | zigovr: it'd be safer to set mythtv to only show your favourite channels, and don't add the channel in question to your favourites |
| [11:41:24] | zigovr: | juski: in fact, I'd like to completely deactivate some channels, without removing them from the table in case of I want to use them again later on |
| [11:41:58] | zigovr: | so I wanted to know if marking them as not "visible" would do the trick |
| [11:42:59] | juski: | for the amount of time it'll take, why not just try it? |
| [11:43:12] | juski: | probably take less time to try it than wait for an answer here |
| [11:43:28] | juski: | won't cost you anything! |
| [11:43:39] | zigovr: | well, asking didn't cost anything either :) |
| [11:45:15] | juski: | as far as I know, making a channel 'invisible' shouldn't affect being able to record from it |
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| [11:46:20] | zigovr: | ok thanks |
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| [11:50:10] | Dibblah: | Has anyone had any success with dualhead and the i845GM chipset? |
| [11:51:04] | Dibblah: | (GMA 950) |
| [11:52:50] | juski: | has anyone recently had the urge to kill quelled by some relaxation technique or other? if so, I'd like to know how... |
| [11:53:26] | laga: | juski: it's called "booze" |
| [11:53:48] | juski: | just call me an alcoholic in future, then |
| [11:54:13] | laga: | i already do (mentally) |
| [11:54:18] | Dibblah: | Many apologies. Didn't mean to wake AngryJuski. :( |
| [11:54:35] | juski: | Dibblah: it wasn't you |
| [11:54:53] | laga: | Dibblah: it's ok. the last guy who didn't read keys.txt set off ctulhu |
| [11:54:58] | Dibblah: | Ah. Well, hopes for a better day for you abound :) |
| [11:55:08] | juski: | I might just murder my webspace again. I'm facking sick of it anyway |
| [11:55:13] | Dibblah: | cthulu, isn't it? |
| [11:55:19] | laga: | Dibblah: yes, apologies |
| [11:55:28] | Dibblah: | What? Delete all the themes, isn't it? |
| [11:55:34] | laga: | Dibblah: i used google to make sure i got the spelling right and misspelled it |
| [11:55:42] | laga: | juski: |
| [11:55:57] | laga: | juski: *not* deleting it saves you the hassle of re-uploading it |
| [11:56:26] | juski: | but not deleting it doesn't help the 'spit the dummy out' |
| [11:56:42] | laga: | hum |
| [11:56:48] | juski: | maybe I should just go & buy some cigs |
| [11:56:57] | laga: | like that'd help |
| [11:57:06] | Dibblah: | Still quit? |
| [11:57:08] | laga: | you need some good music to relax |
| [11:57:31] | juski: | all I get at work is do this inane jon, do that inane job.. |
| [11:57:38] | juski: | can't wait til 3.30 |
| [11:57:45] | juski: | same crap every bloody day |
| [11:57:53] | juski: | fuck it |
| [11:57:59] | juski: | tp upload.ntlworld.com |
| [11:59:09] | juski: | not even donations can keep me motivated anymore, so screw it |
| [11:59:42] | Dibblah: | :( |
| [12:01:59] | juski: | wow. hey as Mondays go this is a particularly shitty one |
| [12:02:25] | laga: | it's monday? |
| [12:02:25] | laga: | hum |
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| [12:04:26] | juski: | laga: btw try some of the libvisual visualisers – you can set your watch by the segfaults |
| [12:04:58] | juski: | apparently that's more down to the shoddy way the libvisual inclusion code is written – either that or the shoddy libvisual plugins themselves |
| [12:05:25] | juski: | although a visualiser crashing shouldn't take the whole program down |
| [12:06:00] | laga: | yup |
| [12:06:21] | laga: | juski: i am using one libvisual visualizer. projectm. |
| [12:06:40] | juski: | some projectm presets I've tried segfault on command |
| [12:06:59] | laga: | hm |
| [12:07:10] | laga: | i don't see any obvious reference to libvisual in my backtrace |
| [12:08:04] | laga: | the backtrace doesn't make sense to me at all, though. |
| [12:08:20] | laga: | it crashes in "mainvisual->visual()->handleKeyPress(action);", but i have no clue why |
| [12:10:26] | laga: | most, if not all visualizers do have a handleKeyPress function. i'd need to know which viaulizer crashes |
| [12:11:08] | juski: | I tend to only ever use one visualiser, since 99% of them suck :) |
| [12:12:29] | laga: | i like "AlbumArt". the question mark is nice |
| [12:13:00] | juski: | I really don't know why Goom is still in there – it' |
| [12:13:14] | juski: | it's a complete waste of time IMHO |
| [12:13:25] | laga: | i like it. it's also in libvisual |
| [12:13:30] | juski: | better than bumpscope though |
| [12:13:35] | laga: | heh |
| [12:13:35] | laga: | yup |
| [12:13:57] | juski: | oh wait I've seen Goom in libvisual & it didn't suck as much because it had some decent presets |
| [12:14:45] | laga: | i had to revert the shoutcast patch to get tha backtrace. *sigh* |
| [12:14:50] | laga: | guess it was not the cause :) |
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| [12:21:59] | ** juski wonders if http://www.automatedhome.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1480 works in linux ** | |
| [12:24:15] | laga: | looks nice |
| [12:24:25] | laga: | better than my cheap ati remote :( |
| [12:24:56] | juski: | almost worth taking a chance on |
| [12:25:30] | Aval0n: | that is a nice remote. |
| [12:25:47] | juski: | it's not that nice. It's about as nice as PC remotes get, sure |
| [12:25:56] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [12:26:04] | Aval0n: | that's pretty much what I meant :) |
| [12:26:20] | Aval0n: | the one that came with my kworld looks pretty nice... |
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| [12:26:55] | juski: | then again, I should be glad to be free of 'remote for the amp, remote for the TV, remote for the cable box, remote for mythtv' |
| [12:26:57] | laga: | juski: i love the s100 remote with your xmodmap. pretty close to perfect, IMHO |
| [12:27:16] | juski: | laga: cool. something to be cheerful about |
| [12:27:31] | laga: | juski: :) |
| [12:27:31] | Aval0n: | is the s100 a nice remote? |
| [12:27:40] | juski: | Aval0n: the s100 HAS a nice remote |
| [12:27:44] | laga: | Aval0n: the s100 is a set top box for IPTV |
| [12:27:53] | Aval0n: | oh |
| [12:28:09] | juski: | what does the 'p' stand for? pfffft? ;) |
| [12:28:29] | laga: | "internet protocol"? |
| [12:28:38] | Aval0n: | you guys know that logitech remote that is like 500 and has an LCD touchscreen? |
| [12:28:50] | juski: | Aval0n: hmmm |
| [12:29:02] | juski: | remote controls should never have menus |
| [12:29:06] | Aval0n: | http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-770-internet-ta . . . 4081472.html |
| [12:29:12] | Aval0n: | that think is linux hackabke |
| [12:29:15] | Aval0n: | hackable |
| [12:29:23] | Aval0n: | and can be made to the same thing :P |
| [12:29:29] | quicksilver: | the N770 runs linux, yes |
| [12:29:37] | quicksilver: | and it runs a web browser, so you can just use mythweb on it |
| [12:29:39] | laga: | "linux hackable"? is it still hacking if it comes with an SDK? |
| [12:29:47] | quicksilver: | it's quite a neat little toy |
| [12:29:51] | juski: | you can use webremote, with any device capable of running a browser |
| [12:30:02] | quicksilver: | yeah, webremote and mythweb |
| [12:30:07] | juski: | sort out the *sucky* graphics in webremote & it could look nice |
| [12:30:15] | quicksilver: | and plenty of other stuff beside :) |
| [12:30:15] | Aval0n: | :) |
| [12:30:52] | Aval0n: | what's the most common remote people are using for myth setups? |
| [12:30:56] | Aval0n: | sreamzap? |
| [12:31:02] | Aval0n: | streamzap* |
| [12:31:04] | juski: | oh wait I *did* sort out the sucky graphics in webremote, but they never used them |
| [12:31:51] | laga: | streamzap looks nice, but isn't it rather expensive? |
| [12:31:59] | Aval0n: | don't think so |
| [12:32:20] | Aval0n: | 30 bux at my local fry's |
| [12:32:25] | juski: | how come universal remotes aren't more popular anyway? |
| [12:32:36] | juski: | I rememeber how bad it was having like 6 remotes |
| [12:33:10] | laga: | is there a good one? |
| [12:33:14] | Aval0n: | I have a super nice universal that learns and you can program macros on |
| [12:33:24] | Aval0n: | came with my onkyo receiver |
| [12:33:37] | Aval0n: | would be awesome if I could get it working under linux. |
| [12:33:38] | juski: | I have a remote you can use RemoteMaster to program from scratch with your own codes & macros |
| [12:33:55] | juski: | RemoteMaster even runs on Linux |
| [12:34:22] | Aval0n: | does the hauppage mediamvp come with it's own remote |
| [12:34:23] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [12:34:28] | juski: | Aval0n: yeah |
| [12:34:34] | Aval0n: | cool |
| [12:34:43] | Aval0n: | do a lot of people use those things? |
| [12:34:44] | juski: | I just saw the wired version of the MVP is now only 40 GBP |
| [12:34:59] | juski: | Aval0n: they're only any use at playing SDTV mpeg2 |
| [12:35:01] | laga: | hum |
| [12:35:11] | laga: | is the new mythweather in trunk supposed to work? |
| [12:35:14] | Aval0n: | juski yeah, that's all I'm interested in for it |
| [12:35:38] | juski: | laga: it works, but it's the most illogical setup of any plugin I have ever seen |
| [12:35:46] | juski: | whoever did it should be shot IMHO |
| [12:36:15] | laga: | juski: guess my packages are broken then. |
| [12:36:33] | juski: | laga: oh no I thought it was broken for a long time |
| [12:36:52] | juski: | it's THAT hard to set it up – just totally illogical & there are no docs on how to use it |
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| [12:37:36] | laga: | i'm talking about mythweather-revamp. it seems straight-forward to me.. but i can't get further than the "adding sources" screen. it's missing $stuff |
| [12:37:39] | laga: | let's see |
| [12:38:04] | juski: | laga: yeah – it's totally illogical & seemed broken until I figured out its crazy ways |
| [12:38:36] | juski: | right now as far as I'm concerned there is NO weather plugin |
| [12:39:21] | laga: | "i have no son" |
| [12:40:06] | juski: | there's an obscure users ML post that explains stuff, but why somebody couldn't be assed to put it in the wiki where people could easily find it.. I just despair |
| [12:40:39] | juski: | like there's a weather.com script somewhere – but no info on how to configure it |
| [12:42:10] | laga: | "cannot proceed, the following data items do not have sources defined: appt observation_time etc" |
| [12:42:14] | laga: | wtf. |
| [12:42:51] | laga: | ah, there's a posting on the ML |
| [12:43:22] | laga: | i wish people would start quoting their emails properly |
| [12:43:27] | laga: | my finger hurts from scrolling |
| [12:44:03] | juski: | !trout top-posting idiots |
| [12:44:03] | ** MythLogBot slaps top-posting with a idiots trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [12:45:01] | laga: | oh my god |
| [12:45:06] | laga: | yeah |
| [12:45:10] | laga: | that's hard to setup. |
| [12:45:23] | juski: | the ML post I know of says "well I got it working, was pretty easy. I think. See ticket 3337 or so" |
| [12:47:29] | laga: | no, i just found a way around my error message |
| [12:47:33] | laga: | but it's illogical |
| [12:47:42] | juski: | did't I just say so? |
| [12:47:56] | juski: | IMHO it's the most ass-faced way to set it up I could imagine |
| [12:48:10] | laga: | but it's working. hum. |
| [12:48:17] | juski: | I'm not exaggerating either |
| [12:48:38] | laga: | juski: the main problem to me is that you are not forced to set a location if you choose a source. that should be easy to add. |
| [12:49:26] | juski: | the whole thing needs to be fixed so it works properly, consistent with other plugins |
| [12:49:50] | laga: | heh |
| [12:49:55] | laga: | "hit m to continue" :) |
| [12:50:07] | juski: | yeah wtf was wrong with OK/select ffs? |
| [12:50:45] | juski: | what if some people haven't got 'm' bound to a remote button? |
| [12:55:33] | juski: | woo I've made $0.38 from Google AdSense this month :-O |
| [12:56:24] | laga: | you'd get more if you didn't delete your website all the time |
| [12:56:27] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [12:56:39] | juski: | I resisted today |
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| [12:56:57] | juski: | I'll just kill a fluffy animal later |
| [12:58:53] | laga: | that's cool |
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| [13:51:46] | juski: | ftw laga.. seen this? http://forum.zenega-user.de/index.php?s=48f1d . . . 28&st=80 found it while I was looking for a fs454 reg. definition for one of our products |
| [13:52:41] | juski: | looks like we need to enable the flicker filter on the CVBS output (long story) & the datasheet doesn't describe $026 as any more than just 'FLK' |
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| [13:53:46] | juski: | so judging from the forum pages, it looks like xbox users of linux aren't the only ones to get full control of the fs454 tv encoder ;) |
| [13:54:13] | laga: | call the focus guys ;) |
| [13:55:08] | juski: | nah they're useless. if their own datasheets don't say what FLK does (you can easy work it out from the program's defines though) – I doubt the reps would be much use |
| [13:55:43] | laga: | juski: looks like the zenega guys are still working on it |
| [13:55:49] | laga: | that was in april |
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| [14:01:43] | Dibblah: | juski: Is the S100 915 based? |
| [14:02:22] | laga: | Dibblah: i830M |
| [14:02:32] | Dibblah: | Fun. |
| [14:03:04] | Dibblah: | The boards I just got (C2D T5500s) run @30w or so, using a picoPSU. |
| [14:03:17] | laga: | nice. what boards? |
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| [14:03:38] | Dibblah: | i945GMm-HL. |
| [14:03:44] | Dibblah: | AOpen. |
| [14:04:02] | Dibblah: | It's the Merom CPU, so low power laptop chipset. |
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| [14:04:42] | Dibblah: | Can't figure out dualhead, though :(( |
| [14:06:19] | juski: | if my car repayments come to an end this month, rest assured the PoS APIA will be going byebyes |
| [14:06:29] | juski: | s/APIA/EPIA |
| [14:07:58] | juski: | if anybody is even tempted to buy an EPIA board – D O N ' T ! |
| [14:08:32] | juski: | get something with a *real* CPU |
| [14:08:58] | caitlin: | but they so small |
| [14:09:16] | caitlin: | mine works... but not for myth, or linux in fact |
| [14:09:52] | Solv: | that's good to know...was wondering about getting one someday for a mythfrontend |
| [14:10:10] | JackEStorm: | juski: I've been overlooking them....trying to figure out just how CPU I really need thou, but those arn't even an option for me. |
| [14:10:32] | Dibblah: | Solv: It's fine for Mythmusic. As long as you don't want visualisers. ;) |
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| [14:13:07] | juski: | JackEStorm: you really don't wanna overclock an epia board. oh boy |
| [14:13:47] | juski: | I'm not surprised though – since they can't do a good job at the right clock speed |
| [14:13:58] | Solv: | wow...great...just what i always wanted...a full blown myth install to play mythmusic |
| [14:14:26] | Solv: | most of the time i switch over to audacious...selecting songs and playlists is a nightmare in mythmusic |
| [14:17:06] | juski: | I def. think my mind is made up to junk the epia board. |
| [14:17:14] | juski: | put it on ebay, I reckon. |
| [14:17:31] | Merlin83b: | Why so, juski? |
| [14:17:36] | Merlin83b: | What are you doing that it's not up to? |
| [14:17:42] | Merlin83b: | Even for an FE? |
| [14:17:43] | juski: | playing SDTV mpeg2 |
| [14:17:45] | pat_: | evening people |
| [14:18:26] | juski: | Merlin83b: it won't play ANYTHING without xvmc enabled, with deinterlacing enabled, from BBC channels |
| [14:18:44] | Merlin83b: | So why not enable xvmc? |
| [14:18:47] | juski: | oops – and from BBC channels it won't play right even with xvmc enabled |
| [14:18:57] | Merlin83b: | Really? m10k? |
| [14:19:00] | juski: | cpu usage is under 25% but it has gaps & crap |
| [14:19:10] | JackEStorm: | juski: ouch, it's that bad? (I'm trying to come up with a cheap way to get a system to do HD output/playback) |
| [14:19:21] | pat_: | heh, HD on an epia |
| [14:19:23] | juski: | JackEStorm: get a proper CPU |
| [14:19:35] | juski: | there is NO substitute for CPU power |
| [14:19:36] | Merlin83b: | juski: No problems for BBC on mine. |
| [14:19:58] | juski: | Merlin83b: ubuntu copes, but ubuntu is a PoS with digital audio – it only worked intermittently |
| [14:20:14] | juski: | in all I've spent way more than what the time is worth to me in terms of money |
| [14:20:19] | Solv: | juski, I agree, I bought a cheap intel celeron D and it just doesn't cut it..I have to use xvmc |
| [14:20:38] | Merlin83b: | Fair enough – I've spent very little time – knoppmyth from a long time ago (0.18) and upgraded myth along the way. |
| [14:20:38] | JackEStorm: | juski: thats where I'm mostly stuck at, thinking about a Intel C2D 1.86 4MB Cache, but not sure if that is enough or too much. |
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| [14:20:56] | Merlin83b: | No such thing as too much, JackEStorm :) |
| [14:21:25] | JackEStorm: | Merlin83b: yeah there is, I'm trying not to go over board on price :) |
| [14:21:33] | juski: | Merlin83b: a newer version of minimyth uses less CPU than the current version (like half as much) but can't play back BBC recordings without gaps every 30s |
| [14:21:45] | Solv: | go a decent AMD I reckon...or at least a proper pentium...the cheap cpus all have their balls cut off |
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| [14:21:50] | JackEStorm: | plus the less I spend on other things, the more I will have storage |
| [14:21:51] | Merlin83b: | JackEStorm: Then get the best you can afford :) |
| [14:21:58] | juski: | I've considered changing distro but FFS I've already spent *days* trying to diagnose it |
| [14:22:09] | pat_: | juski: latest stable minimyth crashes on kernel load on my machine, have you had success? |
| [14:22:18] | Merlin83b: | juski: That's just plain weird – no beeb problems for me though. I guess just lucky :) |
| [14:22:24] | juski: | if your knopp install is fine, Merlin83b I can assume it's not mythtv's fault |
| [14:22:33] | pat_: | 26b2 works, 26 doesn't |
| [14:22:49] | juski: | must be the blatantly shite bleeding egde versions of Xorg etc that minimyth uses |
| [14:22:52] | Solv: | juski, I have similar issues...my CPU load is quite small, but playback is still jerky, unless I go back to xvmc and use BOB |
| [14:22:58] | Merlin83b: | Yep juski, I'm still running fine. Long way behind svn now and loathe to upgrade for fear of breaking :) |
| [14:23:17] | Merlin83b: | Mind you, no deinterlace for me. |
| [14:23:22] | juski: | eh? |
| [14:23:29] | juski: | no deinterlacing?! |
| [14:23:31] | JackEStorm: | Merlin83b: nod, just been trying to find a webpage with someone who posted specs of a working front/back end that does HD, and that didn't drop 5k on the unit. |
| [14:23:39] | Solv: | this is SD DVB-T btw |
| [14:23:56] | Solv: | JackEStorm, a ps3? |
| [14:24:02] | Merlin83b: | Why would I deinterlace? DVB and going to an S-video TV. |
| [14:24:14] | Merlin83b: | Hmm, perhaps I'm on bob, actually. |
| [14:24:18] | Merlin83b: | So long since I set it up! |
| [14:24:26] | Merlin83b: | See to recall it not making any difference though. |
| [14:24:32] | Solv: | Merlin83b, I go to CRT as well, but have to deinterlace to get xvmc to behave |
| [14:24:47] | juski: | Merlin83b: the version which works fine for me is 0.20.20060828–3 |
| [14:24:47] | Solv: | but running standard I don't need to deinterlace |
| [14:25:00] | JackEStorm: | Solv: yeah, but my cards won't work in it :) |
| [14:25:11] | Merlin83b: | Solv: It's a long time since I did it, but istr it not making a difference for me. |
| [14:25:16] | Solv: | JackEStorm, apparently a TV card is being released soon |
| [14:25:22] | juski: | if it's a problem with mythtv, it'll need to be sorted out for everybody else's sake |
| [14:25:30] | Merlin83b: | juski: I think I'm on around 12000 or so, but it's been a few months since I played with it. |
| [14:25:37] | juski: | Merlin83b: ah ok |
| [14:25:58] | Solv: | Merlin83b, I agree, once it's working well...don't play around or often it breaks! |
| [14:26:09] | juski: | I got around to updating my backend on Friday night. I might try the newer minimyth with that – it might've been the backend to blame all along I dunno |
| [14:26:18] | Merlin83b: | Solv: Last time I had a big play with it I went away a couple of days later. GF didn't like that :) |
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| [14:27:27] | Solv: | yeah, my wife must have a lot of patience...she'd still be using analog trv if it weren't for the pause live tv feaure of PVRs |
| [14:27:41] | Solv: | normal TV's don't crash |
| [14:27:54] | Solv: | or go out of sync |
| [14:28:16] | Solv: | or pause like a DVD changing layers and then continue |
| [14:28:16] | juski: | Solv: yeah but mythtv doesn't lose all your recordings at the drop of a hat like some commercial DVRs |
| [14:28:39] | juski: | Solv: my standalone panasonic dvd player used to pause on changing layers |
| [14:28:40] | Solv: | juski, I'd never buy a comercial PVR... |
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| [14:28:56] | Cry_wolf2: | ys var ? |
| [14:29:31] | juski: | Solv: lots of rented DVRs crash that badly too :-P |
| [14:29:52] | Solv: | hehe...I can imagine... |
| [14:30:27] | Solv: | myth can be a long road to setup....but once it's going it is really quite stable |
| [14:30:39] | juski: | these days the only time I can get the frontend to fall over is ffwding thru the Simpsons. it really doesn't like seeking over aspect changes |
| [14:31:01] | Solv: | I've noticed quite a few new linux PVR upstarts recently....they don't look impressive enough for me to bother trying though |
| [14:31:26] | juski: | !trout Elisa closed-source-theives |
| [14:31:26] | ** MythLogBot slaps Elisa with a closed-source-theives trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [14:31:31] | Solv: | can't remember the names anymore either |
| [14:31:41] | Solv: | lol |
| [14:31:49] | juski: | anyway.. happy days.. it's hometime :D |
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| [14:34:42] | adante: | dvb myth is pretty unstable with poor reception too |
| [14:35:58] | Solv: | adante, yes, my frontend will exit when it gets too bad |
| [14:36:37] | Solv: | but then again, I don't really wanna watch all the bleeps and creeps anyway...if it's bad reception I need to fix it... |
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| [14:37:00] | ** pat_ makes a rule that if you don't know how to uninstall adware and toolbars, you are too stupid to use peer to peer software. (3 hours to fix a work colleagues home pc) ** | |
| [14:37:49] | Solv: | adware? spyware? what's that? |
| [14:37:53] | ** Solv uses linux ** | |
| [14:38:03] | pat_: | it is what I don't have on any of my macs |
| [14:38:11] | adante: | Solv: mm, i was more talking the backend :] |
| [14:38:13] | Solv: | touche |
| [14:38:30] | Solv: | adante, I haven't ever had issue with my backend |
| [14:38:35] | adante: | my backend occasionally crashes or goes on a memory eating rampage |
| [14:38:43] | pat_: | mine eats memory |
| [14:38:51] | pat_: | and restarts once every few months |
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| [14:39:07] | pat_: | but I can't be arsed recompiling to a newer version |
| [14:39:44] | Solv: | I usually reboot once a fortnight anyway... |
| [14:42:21] | adante: | pat_: you put it in a wrapper script? |
| [14:42:31] | Solv: | anyone ever tried freevo? if so how does it compare to myth? |
| [14:42:50] | pat_: | adante: not really, I cron jobbed it to /etc/init.d/mythbackend start every 5 minutes |
| [14:42:51] | adante: | Solv: last i used it (2004) it had absolutely nothing on myth |
| [14:43:12] | pat_: | if it was already running it doesn't hurt it |
| [14:43:16] | adante: | and i might add that i am NOT a myth zealot, so that is saying a lot |
| [14:43:46] | adante: | hm |
| [14:43:55] | Solv: | true...it looks very similar to myth from the screenshots...just not as polished |
| [14:44:07] | adante: | i want some sort of script i can run periodically which can check how much memory backend is using, kill it if over a certain amount, and restart if necessary |
| [14:44:26] | adante: | Solv: i did look at it again a few months ago and it's still pretty sad imo |
| [14:44:28] | pat_: | bah, I wait till it dies |
| [14:45:01] | adante: | pat_: yeah problem is mine doesn't always die, occasionaly it eats so much memory the box goes into perpetual thrash and i can't login to kill stuff :] |
| [14:45:15] | Solv: | ouch |
| [14:45:19] | pat_: | aah, mine never gets that bad |
| [14:45:32] | pat_: | update to latest 0.20-fixes and see if that helps |
| [14:45:36] | GreyFoxx: | adante: ARe you positive it's mythbackend? What version are you running? |
| [14:45:39] | Solv: | well...time fro much needed sleep...take care people |
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| [14:45:45] | pat_: | (assuming that you are running stable) |
| [14:45:50] | adante: | pat_: on svn atm |
| [14:46:05] | adante: | GreyFoxx: svn, it's been like this for.. a long time |
| [14:46:31] | adante: | GreyFoxx: fairly sure it is backend, sometimes i can catch it in the process and when i killall mythbackend the system immediatelly gets better |
| [14:46:50] | GreyFoxx: | What are you recording from ? |
| [14:46:59] | adante: | actually, once or twice mythtranscode has run away but that is literally once of twice |
| [14:47:07] | adante: | GreyFoxx: 3 dvb cards, name of which i forget now heh |
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| [14:47:19] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm oddd |
| [14:47:39] | GreyFoxx: | I've not seen any memory leak in the backend in a long long time now |
| [14:47:50] | adante: | GreyFoxx: i think its related to poor reception |
| [14:47:55] | GreyFoxx: | though I do not transcode nor commercial flag |
| [14:48:15] | adante: | i transcode, don't commflag |
| [14:48:36] | adante: | not sure what causes it as the logs i've gotten seem fine |
| [14:48:44] | adante: | er, generated |
| [14:50:55] | pat_: | yeah, I've got dvb-t and I transcode (not commflag) |
| [14:53:58] | adante: | oh hello fellow aussie :] |
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| [14:57:05] | ** pat_ looks into making debs from svn ** | |
| [14:57:08] | pat_: | ... again |
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| [15:02:12] | laga: | pat_: i've already got them |
| [15:02:32] | laga: | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/+authoredbranches <- pat_ |
| [15:02:56] | laga: | pat_: those trees are not completely up to date as i'm working on them. i'll push up my changes later |
| [15:06:18] | pat_: | laga: ubuntu 6.06 with 0.20 fixes? |
| [15:06:46] | laga: | pat_: ah, i thought you wanted to build svn trunk |
| [15:07:03] | laga: | well, backporting the -fixes packages to 6.06 can't be that hard |
| [15:07:06] | pat_: | no, I want to build 0.20-fixes from the svn version |
| [15:07:06] | laga: | except for mythweb |
| [15:07:26] | pat_: | yeah, not hard |
| [15:08:15] | pat_: | a script or two would make things easy like Ilya Ivanchenko was saying on the mythtv-dev list |
| [15:09:13] | pat_: | should get my head around packaging, there are a number of things I maintain my own sets of patches against and build manually |
| [15:09:28] | laga: | i emailed ilya privately. wonder if that ever arrived |
| [15:09:32] | Dagmar: | Yer a nut if you DON'T script |
| [15:09:42] | pat_: | I must be a nut |
| [15:09:52] | Dagmar: | There's too many ways to screw up and omit some tiny little detail you did during the previous build |
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| [15:10:14] | pat_: | hence why the packages I'm running are months old |
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| [15:10:38] | Dagmar: | Yes, and the older they get, the higher the chance you'll have forgotten something you did when you built them the last time. |
| [15:10:48] | Dagmar: | SCripting != building every day |
| [15:11:09] | Dagmar: | I redo mine from 0.20-fixes about once a month |
| [15:11:36] | laga: | Dagmar: ah, i thought you were running trunk |
| [15:11:44] | Dagmar: | Not yet |
| [15:11:46] | Dagmar: | I'm thinking about it |
| [15:14:17] | pat_: | anyway, wife has finished studying for the night |
| [15:14:20] | pat_: | time for bed |
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| [15:52:41] | juski: | adante: whaddya mean you're not a myth zealot? like me, you mean? :P |
| [15:53:20] | juski: | btw folks if you really do feel the need to compare mythtv to any other pvr, just think of this: all in one box vs mythtv ;) |
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| [15:55:33] | adante: | juski: haha, well i dunno |
| [15:56:40] | juski: | sure there are better media players, better music players etc – but how many can you read from a TV & work with a remote control? I can only think of one, and it isn't available as a package anywhere yet |
| [15:56:49] | adante: | i guess i was just trying to stress that i was bashing freevo not because i am a mad fan of myth (ie 'myth ruulz everything else drools') but because it genuinely does seem to be crap :P |
| [15:57:08] | laga: | vdr? |
| [15:57:20] | juski: | vdr is another all in one box or be damned affair |
| [15:57:21] | adante: | and the same thing applies for that |
| [15:57:25] | adante: | what was that stupid um |
| [15:57:28] | adante: | linuxtv or something |
| [15:57:34] | juski: | linuxmce |
| [15:57:41] | juski: | that isn't even a contender |
| [15:57:42] | adante: | thats it |
| [15:57:45] | adante: | yeah that was the most |
| [15:57:53] | adante: | i lack the eloquence to describe how |
| [15:57:57] | adante: | bad |
| [15:58:10] | adante: | etc |
| [15:58:14] | adante: | that was |
| [15:58:16] | adante: | but anyway i digress |
| [15:58:43] | juski: | it has promise but if mythtv's UI takes criticism for being bad, I hate to think what the same critics would say about linuxmce – unless of course they get hard at the sight of a spinning cube |
| [15:59:09] | adante: | i hate linuxmce |
| [15:59:21] | juski: | mythtv has faults, for sure. only we (the community) can put them right |
| [15:59:31] | adante: | took a look at that video, it was really disgusting how it came across as a thinly veiled windows bashing attempt |
| [15:59:39] | juski: | it's very fair to say that on balance, mythtv is the best there is, all round |
| [15:59:55] | adante: | the video basically lost them all credibility for me |
| [16:00:09] | adante: | juski: all i can say is, it works for me |
| [16:00:54] | adante: | i am not a big fan of the interface for the video/music plugins, but they do the job and the tv recording stuff basically kills anything else out there |
| [16:00:58] | juski: | it's only as good as its community and those who contribute tangible elements |
| [16:01:28] | juski: | I'm trying to find new ways of saying "so you think it could be better – you do it" ;) |
| [16:01:45] | adante: | but that said considering the time and effort put in to setting up/configuring it.. well i think it is worth it but i can fully respect non-technical people who want to go for a dumbed down pvr box or something |
| [16:02:23] | juski: | adante: I tried to explain to somebody the other week why mythtv isn't 'ready' (or even aiming) to be a 'product' |
| [16:02:55] | juski: | I think if the project was to be serious about going mainstream we'd have to either a) lose a lot of configurability or b) hide a lot of the configurability away |
| [16:03:23] | juski: | but it's not – and here we are – if people can't come to terms with that, let them eat cake |
| [16:03:28] | adante: | i guess what i mean is i do not wildly prosetylize mythtv as the silver bullet.. at the water cooler at work people mention they have a tivo or pvr, i make sure to mention mythtv as a possible alternative but stress that it's not all flowers and sunshine |
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| [16:03:45] | adante: | but, i like it :] |
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| [16:04:01] | adante: | juski: yeah, its tricky |
| [16:04:03] | juski: | adante: I know a real windows fanboy at work, and MCE has driven him to the point where he's about ready to give mythtv a go |
| [16:04:42] | juski: | I suspect it's so easy to install for more than one reason – that being that it *has* to be reinstalled when it breaks for no apparent reason |
| [16:04:49] | adante: | lol |
| [16:04:54] | adante: | haven't used mce to be honest but |
| [16:05:02] | juski: | I mean whoever heard of having to reinstall a driver because it'd just stopped working? |
| [16:05:02] | adante: | um |
| [16:05:13] | adante: | well i have but only the music/video browsing interface which i actually quite like :] |
| [16:05:21] | adante: | don't know *anything* about the tv recording stuff |
| [16:05:43] | juski: | hold onto your hats. that's all gonna improve in mythtv – just not overnight |
| [16:05:51] | adante: | but anyway i was going to say, i know one guy at work who tried myth, was frustrated by i guess the slow official releases (this is not meant as criticism) |
| [16:06:16] | juski: | yeah so he'd rather the devs rush code out & fix it later |
| [16:06:20] | Dagmar: | juski: Windows users |
| [16:06:32] | adante: | he said he used to have all these problems with myth and when he asked about them people would tell him they've already been fixed in cvs (this was back in cvs days) so stop complaining |
| [16:07:17] | juski: | over the last 12 months I've come to realise that people who make packages are as much to 'blame' as anybody |
| [16:07:19] | adante: | then he'd upgrade to cvs and get all these problems and people would say well yes this problem is known this is cvs you should be reading the mailing list |
| [16:07:59] | adante: | ultimately he just gave up because he said he just wanted a working product without too much effort, and while myth had heaps of features following development closely was something he was prepared to do |
| [16:08:43] | laga: | don't give me that look |
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| [16:08:46] | adante: | which is fair enough i guess, his prerogative – i'm just happy he didn't become a myth hater :] |
| [16:09:05] | Dagmar: | Hate is better when it's unfocused |
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| [16:11:14] | juski: | friday night was the 1st bit of maintenance I've done on my system since I upgraded to 0.20 |
| [16:11:19] | adante: | i think the big selling point for myth is when i take people to my workstation (at work) and load up mythweb :] |
| [16:12:04] | juski: | anyway, for the time being if anybody wants any new themes – www.gimp.org. I've put my crayons away for a while |
| [16:15:44] | adante: | bluetube is really nice :] |
| [16:16:30] | juski: | blootube sucks |
| [16:16:50] | juski: | it's .. blue |
| [16:17:20] | juski: | still, it's got a long way to go to suck as much as the GBPVR skins :-P |
| [16:17:36] | adante: | what can i say i'm a sucker for blue |
| [16:17:36] | ** laga looks proudly at his oven-fresh svn debs ** | |
| [16:18:06] | laga: | they even come with working dbg symbols in a separate package. some things about debian i love |
| [16:18:11] | juski: | so er.. is all you do to build a package on ubunut just 'checkinstall' ? |
| [16:18:26] | laga: | uh, no? |
| [16:18:40] | adante: | oh yeah i remember at one stage there was an svn ebuild up for gentoo which would build a version of myth where... livetv didn't work |
| [16:18:41] | laga: | is all you do to make a skin go to winamp.com? |
| [16:21:03] | juski: | just – I was looking at the instructions on some wiki or other the other day & it said "and now to make installable packages..." |
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| [16:27:02] | laga: | juski: no, the packaes are a bit more complex. i doubt that checkinstall has debconf support, eg for the mythweb password protection stuff |
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| [16:44:23] | antiPosix: | if I wanted to reinstall mythtv from scratch(same version from the old) and I *only* wanted to preserve my current recordings and my recording_schedule what tables in mythconverg would I need to preserve |
| [16:44:47] | juski: | record & recorded |
| [16:45:13] | juski: | you should ideally keep all your tables, since if the channel table changes, it'll break your scheduled recordings |
| [16:45:37] | juski: | since recordings take place according to chanid, not the channel name |
| [16:45:59] | antiPosix: | after the past few weeks this problem keeps arrising, and I am trying to irradicate it |
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| [16:46:17] | antiPosix: | "mythfrontend can no longer connect to backend...is it running?" |
| [16:46:19] | fauxalliance: | 0h f00f. Capture works from snd-bt87x (AverMedia sometin' sometin') via /dev/(a)dsp1... however, it sound's like crap. Not sluggish or jittery, just 30,000' of static, anyone encounter this? |
| [16:46:23] | juski: | I very much doubt reinstalling the same version will alleviate the problem |
| [16:46:32] | antiPosix: | and it is of course running, I just have to kill off mythfront and restart mythfront |
| [16:46:54] | antiPosix: | it happens to all my frontend installs thoughout my house |
| [16:47:07] | antiPosix: | including the box that it is physically on |
| [16:47:14] | juski: | then whatever you have is a workaround, not a fix |
| [16:47:24] | juski: | and reinstalling the same version will fix nothing |
| [16:47:36] | antiPosix: | it wasnt a problem a few weeks ago |
| [16:47:51] | antiPosix: | I started adding packages(ubuntu 7.04) mythweb, myththemes, etc |
| [16:48:03] | antiPosix: | so I wont to start over, and get it stable as it once was |
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| [16:48:27] | juski: | what I'd do in your position is forget all about packages & build the very latest -fixes branch from SVN |
| [16:48:56] | juski: | you can still make packages to use on your other machines quite easily |
| [16:48:57] | antiPosix: | what about my mythconverg database? |
| [16:49:03] | juski: | what about it? |
| [16:49:07] | antiPosix: | leave it alone? |
| [16:49:09] | juski: | back it up |
| [16:49:17] | antiPosix: | of course back it up |
| [16:49:25] | antiPosix: | but will the latest -fixes be compatable |
| [16:49:30] | antiPosix: | isnt there some protocol issue |
| [16:49:30] | juski: | flattenning the db won't achieve much |
| [16:49:53] | juski: | antiPosix: depends how old your packages are. any newer version will update the database to the latest protocol & schema |
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| [16:50:13] | juski: | no bad thing if all the versions of mythtv you run are the same. and btw they should be |
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| [16:50:37] | juski: | it's considered a bad idea to run -fixes from last week with -fixes built today |
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| [16:50:54] | antiPosix: | I know its off topic, but are any north american/canadian in here thinking mythtv will stop working for them post Sept 14th |
| [16:51:18] | juski: | you guys have so little faith in schedulesdirect.org I really pity you |
| [16:51:30] | antiPosix: | I'd have more faith if they gave us updates |
| [16:51:41] | antiPosix: | like maybe "Hi we are still here ;) " |
| [16:51:48] | juski: | maybe their hands are tied right now – can't say anything until the lawyers have finished their business etc |
| [16:52:12] | juski: | no news being the best news you could possibly have right now |
| [16:52:29] | antiPosix: | I was going to write a screen grabber in perl to pull my listings off of charter communications if schedulesdirect wasnt done |
| [16:52:36] | JackEStorm: | antiPosix: I'm not worried, if need be I will have access to a 2nd source. |
| [16:53:02] | antiPosix: | screen grabber = web scraper |
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| [16:53:19] | juski: | antiPosix: beware a legal minefield |
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| [16:53:45] | antiPosix: | I subscribe to charter, therefore I should be entitled to their listings (for me only) |
| [16:54:07] | juski: | an IP lawyer for Charter might not see it that way |
| [16:54:09] | antiPosix: | interesting enough, charter uses datadirect... |
| [16:54:22] | antiPosix: | they shouldnt post listings on a web page than |
| [16:54:40] | xris: | antiPosix: just about everyone uses TMS for listings. |
| [16:54:44] | xris: | even the tv stations do |
| [16:55:04] | antiPosix: | TMS is.... Zap2it ? |
| [16:55:11] | juski: | bottom line is – be PATIENT, sit on your hands. Something will happen in time. Take schedulesdirect at their word. They're putting a lot of effort in for you on your behalf |
| [16:55:37] | antiPosix: | why does my frontend think my backend has gone away... what would cause that? |
| [16:55:48] | juski: | if there was only 1 week to go I could understand people being jitterry |
| [16:56:02] | juski: | antiPosix: ever thought about looking in logs? |
| [16:56:19] | fryfrog: | maybe the frontend said that the backend's butt looked big in those jeans :( |
| [16:56:25] | juski: | all kinds of things could cause it. maybe the mysql server was too busy |
| [16:56:27] | antiPosix: | we are getting nervous because the final Stargates the next sesean of Lost and Heros is coming soon |
| [16:56:32] | juski: | maybe your network is overloaded/crap |
| [16:56:49] | mkrufky: | antiPosix: LOST is not coming soon |
| [16:56:55] | xris: | antiPosix: there will be a solution. |
| [16:57:10] | juski: | xris: we keep telling em to have a little faith, but they won't listen damnit |
| [16:57:25] | Beirdo: | yeah, people are stoopid |
| [16:57:31] | xris: | and don't forget that you will have 2 weeks of data into september, even if you don't get subscribed to schedulesdirect soon enough |
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| [16:58:11] | juski: | anybody'd think the blimmin moon was falling down or somefink |
| [16:58:59] | Beirdo: | at absolute worst, should things really fall through, people could just watch their TVs with no PVR for the day or two of missing data... But that shouldn't be necessary |
| [16:59:14] | mkrufky: | gasp! |
| [16:59:21] | juski: | <the horror> |
| [16:59:26] | ** mkrufky would set manual recordings instead, or use EIT ** | |
| [16:59:35] | Beirdo: | just have a little faith, let them do their contract and infrastructure magic... and wait :) |
| [16:59:54] | mkrufky: | i thought it was already officially announced to "keep your pants on" |
| [17:00:00] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:00:01] | juski: | mkrufky: it has been |
| [17:00:11] | juski: | nobody ever listens |
| [17:00:12] | mkrufky: | there is a solution, its just not completely ready yet |
| [17:00:18] | mkrufky: | yeah, i knew that much |
| [17:00:36] | ** xris spent most of the weekend writing the account management system for SD.. it'll happen. signups will hopefully start within 2 weeks. ** | |
| [17:00:42] | juski: | still, makes a change from "when is 0.21 out?" |
| [17:00:44] | Beirdo: | figuring 3 of the 5 officers of the schedulesdirect stuff are myth developers, I think we can be sure they are doing all they can to have mythtv not be useless in a month :) |
| [17:01:02] | mkrufky: | i was worried before i heard that much, but i have faith that it will be "all good" .... even if we have to scramble at the last minute — it willbe worth it |
| [17:01:06] | fryfrog: | useless for the us folks that is :P |
| [17:01:15] | Beirdo: | well, yeah. |
| [17:01:38] | mkrufky: | it still wont be useless |
| [17:01:47] | Beirdo: | I know :) |
| [17:01:47] | juski: | I've never been overly concerned. myth works well enough for me now – if there were never any more updates to it I'd not lose any sleep |
| [17:01:50] | mkrufky: | EIT is worth a day or two of scheduling info |
| [17:01:59] | Beirdo: | but the naysayers think it will be useless... |
| [17:02:17] | juski: | Beirdo: they have a point. myth IS kinda impotent without EPG data |
| [17:02:18] | mkrufky: | let them use BeyondTV for a week — see if we care |
| [17:02:20] | Beirdo: | and most people likely have enough recorded materialto watch for several uninterrupted days anyways |
| [17:02:43] | Beirdo: | juski, nah, just record lots now, watch it later :) |
| [17:03:23] | mkrufky: | i do admit though, that I _really_ do want the episode descriptions, et al, for HEROES GENERATIONS episode 1 |
| [17:03:38] | mkrufky: | but anyway... i think it's silly to speculate about it now ... it'll all be fine |
| [17:03:39] | Beirdo: | anyways, I'm confident in the schedulesdirect team |
| [17:03:47] | Beirdo: | it will all be good |
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| [17:04:08] | juski: | I've been saying if you can't put all your chips on their colour, you can't put all your chips on anybody's |
| [17:04:26] | Beirdo: | yah, at this point for sure |
| [17:04:30] | juski: | if anyone is going to succeed, it's them |
| [17:04:37] | xris: | Beirdo: biggest holdup right now is legal, and postal.. can't open a bank acct without a business license, and it's somewhere in the mail. |
| [17:04:46] | Beirdo: | oh that's fun |
| [17:05:03] | juski: | you need a licence to run a business in the US? |
| [17:05:06] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [17:05:22] | juski: | I could just set up juskico & fire away |
| [17:05:27] | juski: | no messing about |
| [17:05:29] | Beirdo: | well, hopefully the USPS delivers soon |
| [17:05:54] | juski: | and they call that the land of the free – even to do with free enterprise? they've got to be kidding |
| [17:06:15] | Beirdo: | what's free about enterprise? You gotta pay uncle sam |
| [17:06:39] | Beirdo: | unless you are registered as non-profit, but that requires registration, now doesn't it? |
| [17:06:45] | Loto: | virtually all developed countries require a biz licence ;) |
| [17:06:49] | Beirdo: | either way, the government has to know |
| [17:07:05] | ** Loto dropped in on convo late, whats wrong with epg data? ** | |
| [17:07:11] | Beirdo: | nothing |
| [17:07:15] | Loto: | nm then ;) |
| [17:07:32] | juski: | AFAIK I could be a sole trader & not have to register with anybody but the VAT man (even then only if I made shedloads of cash) |
| [17:07:39] | Beirdo: | zap2it will stop, but schedulesdirect will be fully running by then |
| [17:08:04] | Beirdo: | juski, I know in Canada, the law is such that if you do business in your own name, you don't need to register. |
| [17:08:10] | juski: | anyway, I think that myth about the devs not giving a stuff will quite simply vanish |
| [17:08:16] | Beirdo: | but to use any name but your own... you need to |
| [17:08:19] | Loto: | zap2it going way of dodo? |
| [17:08:29] | Loto: | what sort of timeline are they looking at? |
| [17:08:32] | juski: | Loto: lol. where's ju been? |
| [17:08:37] | Beirdo: | Sept 1 |
| [17:08:42] | Beirdo: | or so they say |
| [17:09:08] | Beirdo: | someone's had their head in the sand :) |
| [17:09:11] | xris: | juski: yeah. legal to do business with your ss#, but a corp needs to be an entity by itself. |
| [17:09:12] | Loto: | guess a should pencil in a mythtv update around labour day weekend |
| [17:09:24] | xris: | have to register with the state, and federal IRS stuff.. *and* get a business license in the state. |
| [17:09:30] | Beirdo: | Loto, yes, or shortly before. :) |
| [17:09:41] | juski: | xris: wow. must be a sizable enterprise, is all I'm thinking ;) |
| [17:09:41] | xris: | Loto: there will be a .20.2 release to handle schedules direct |
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| [17:10:09] | xris: | juski: so far about $150 shelled out... and that includes name change paperwork and a couple of $20 "rush filing" fees |
| [17:10:21] | juski: | not bad |
| [17:10:31] | xris: | nonprofit is cheap |
| [17:10:37] | xris: | for-profit would be about $150 more than that. |
| [17:10:40] | xris: | still not so bad |
| [17:10:44] | juski: | hey that's less than I've spent promoting mythtv in the provinces |
| [17:11:11] | Beirdo: | and certainly less than what your time has been worth doing themes :) |
| [17:11:21] | juski: | yeah well. I'm on holiday for a bit |
| [17:11:41] | Beirdo: | heh, don't blame ya |
| [17:12:05] | Beirdo: | you need time for you and the Mrs. anyways |
| [17:12:15] | Beirdo: | let the whiners wait |
| [17:13:57] | xris: | juski: you're not forgetting my logo, are you? |
| [17:14:09] | juski: | xris: oh heck I'd totally forgotten that |
| [17:14:29] | xris: | :) |
| [17:14:32] | juski: | I'll get on that right now. it'll make a change from xml files & stuff |
| [17:14:39] | xris: | heh |
| [17:14:40] | xris: | woot |
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| [17:23:49] | antiPosix: | where do I find the latest -fixes release, is there a svn repository I can pull down? |
| [17:24:00] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [17:24:05] | fryfrog: | check the uh, svn page |
| [17:24:10] | fryfrog: | the directions are there, tis easy |
| [17:24:21] | antiPosix: | http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Downloads |
| [17:24:26] | mkrufky: | this might be an off-topic question...... but, do you think ATrpms will update their packages for mythtv-suite for FC5 to account for the .20.2 changes w/ scheduledirect? i know I should just upgrade to FC7 , but im a bit afraid for my LVM and md arrays |
| [17:24:27] | antiPosix: | I'm not seeing a svn page |
| [17:24:56] | antiPosix: | General Info/Lists.... I found it |
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| [17:28:52] | otwin: | antiPosix: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [17:33:56] | sphery: | laga: I'm pretty sure your MythMusic segfault (#3792) is due to ProjectM (or the way it was integrated into MythMusic). Disabling that visualizer will probably prevent the crashes. |
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| [17:34:19] | janneg: | mkrufky: ask Axel. but I wouldn't be to concerned about the update as long as _you_ don't tell the installer to format the md or lvm partitions |
| [17:34:32] | ** juski isn't gonna say anything about the mythmusic segfault.. ** | |
| [17:34:38] | sphery: | Haven't done any research, thought because I don't use MythMusic (no music collection of my own) |
| [17:34:40] | laga: | juski: you already did ;) |
| [17:34:54] | sphery: | s/thought/though |
| [17:35:02] | laga: | sphery: thanks. gbee already gave me a quick workaround. it might be good to find the cause, though |
| [17:35:13] | janneg: | and there is an easy way to ensure that: don't power that hds during update |
| [17:35:15] | sphery: | So it wasn't P-M? |
| [17:35:41] | laga: | sphery: it's possible. i don't know |
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| [17:35:52] | sphery: | OK. Just curious. |
| [17:35:54] | mkrufky: | janneg: thanks |
| [17:36:02] | sphery: | I've only ever seen it crash on a P-M visualizer. |
| [17:36:12] | sphery: | (again, though, I don't really use it) |
| [17:36:23] | Beirdo: | mkrufky, if you have a "spare" machine, you could dummy up the upgrade there to see what happens |
| [17:36:24] | laga: | sphery: http://www.pastebin.ca/647416 |
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| [17:36:48] | ** iamlindoro is going to throttle the next person on mythtvtalk.com who says mythtv is broken because they "can't change channels" and never bothered to read through the LIRC section of their Mythdora/buntu/knoppmyth howto ** | |
| [17:37:02] | jams: | heh |
| [17:37:46] | janneg: | mkrufky: copying the contents of /etc/lvm and /etc/mdadm.conf to a safe place is not a bad idea |
| [17:37:46] | juski: | iamlindoro: hey you've not been at this long enough to feel like that ;) |
| [17:37:47] | laga: | iamlindoro: you sound like juski |
| [17:38:03] | juski: | laga: yeah way to insult the guy :-P |
| [17:38:18] | juski: | just make him a moderator – he sounds bitter enough already |
| [17:38:31] | laga: | sure, just sign here |
| [17:38:33] | sphery: | laga: cool. thx. |
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| [17:38:55] | iamlindoro: | hahah |
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| [17:39:16] | janneg: | mkrufky: and a recent database backup |
| [17:39:16] | iamlindoro: | Well true, but I was lurking long before righteous indignation caused me to sign up and post ;) |
| [17:39:25] | juski: | I sometimes find myself reaching for the 'delete' button |
| [17:40:22] | Beirdo: | any post that you want to start with "WTF is wrong with you" is a prime candidate not to post :) |
| [17:40:23] | ** iamlindoro wonders if his account would be deleted if he just responded to posts with "http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/" ** | |
| [17:40:41] | mkrufky: | Beirdo: i have space machines, but not with the same LVM / MD setup ... |
| [17:40:42] | juski: | iamlindoro: you'd get a commendation from me |
| [17:40:46] | iamlindoro: | lol |
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| [17:41:04] | mkrufky: | janneg: yeah, i'll be sure to do the backups .... |
| [17:41:28] | Beirdo: | mkrufky, hmm. Yeah. Well it might still give you a comfort margin to have seen an LVM / MD not get messed up (we hope) during the upgrade :) |
| [17:42:25] | Beirdo: | worried about the /dev/hd* -> /dev/sd* renaming silliness messing things up? |
| [17:42:40] | ZmaX: | Hi all. I installed MythTV back and front-end but, launching the front-end and trying watch tv, it says me that probably the server is not running or the ip address is wrong. I setup ip address and, maybe, the server is running... Someone could help me please? |
| [17:42:43] | juski: | argghh. can inkscrape run for more than 10 mins without locking up? |
| [17:42:59] | Dagmar: | juski: Mine works fine |
| [17:43:01] | juski: | ZmaX: www.mythtv.org – you'll be looking for the 'documentation' page |
| [17:43:18] | Dagmar: | juski: Which version are you using? |
| [17:43:41] | juski: | using.. that's a definition I can't stretch to at the moment |
| [17:43:58] | Beirdo: | "trying to use"? :) |
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| [17:44:43] | mkrufky: | Beirdo: yeah, im worried about the effect of /dev/hd* -> /dev/sd* and the effects that will have on my lvm and md |
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| [17:45:06] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'm concerned about that too whenever I upgrade from feisty |
| [17:45:07] | mkrufky: | i'll just have to cross my fingers and try it ........ |
| [17:45:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, unfortunately... |
| [17:45:37] | mkrufky: | thing is i am too busy with certain refactoring projects right now to worry about my backend server :-/ |
| [17:45:54] | mkrufky: | that, and the fact that my mythbackend box is FINALLY behaving stable, as opposed to the past year |
| [17:46:01] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:46:11] | Beirdo: | time to bork it good |
| [17:46:24] | janneg: | mkrufky: oh well, I forgot that. but still nothing to worry about. you might have to tell mdadm there the raid partitions are |
| [17:46:53] | mkrufky: | plus, j-rod showed me new regressions in 2.6.22 affecting one of my cards... i havent figured that out yet. hopefully he'll have git bisection results soon |
| [17:47:00] | Beirdo: | I doubt LVM will have an issue, but who knows :) |
| [17:47:06] | mkrufky: | yeah |
| [17:47:15] | Beirdo: | MD, not so clear on it |
| [17:47:39] | Beirdo: | I know LVM uses UUID-like entities in the PVs, VGs and LVs |
| [17:47:47] | Beirdo: | not sure if MD relies on that or not |
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| [17:47:58] | mkrufky: | i dunno either |
| [17:48:13] | janneg: | even if lvm doesn't detect all vgs. it will be solved by lvmscan; vgchange -a y VG_NAME |
| [17:48:22] | mkrufky: | true — i forgot that |
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| [17:48:25] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [17:48:36] | mkrufky: | and there is a similar tool for md also |
| [17:48:46] | mkrufky: | (i learned that the hard way, on day 1) |
| [17:49:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:49:11] | Beirdo: | sometimes that's the best way to learn |
| [17:49:25] | Beirdo: | tends to stick in the brain better when you get screwed by it at least once |
| [17:49:34] | janneg: | md has also uuids on disk but doesn't restore the configuration automatically |
| [17:49:48] | Beirdo: | ah, k |
| [17:49:50] | Beirdo: | good to know |
| [17:49:51] | j-rod: | mkrufky: sorry, ended up being away most of the weekend, and I'm buried under a crapload of other stuff today... |
| [17:50:02] | j-rod: | hoping to get to that git-bisection tomorrow |
| [17:50:04] | janneg: | at least it didn't then I moved my md to another pc |
| [17:50:27] | Beirdo: | as one of my servers uses md mirroring on the system disks... hopefully it won't eventually get borked by upgrade |
| [17:50:31] | Beirdo: | that would really annoy me :) |
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| [17:52:27] | mkrufky: | j-rod: no problem |
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| [17:52:46] | mkrufky: | j-rod: i didnt expect you to respond to my weekend messages — i figured you'd see them today |
| [17:53:56] | j-rod: | mkrufky: hm... hadn't noticed any msgs from the weekend... |
| [17:54:02] | ** j-rod goes back through history a bit... ** | |
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| [17:54:20] | mkrufky: | j-rod: they're all in #linuxtv |
| [17:54:26] | mkrufky: | j-rod: yesterday |
| [17:54:40] | mkrufky: | j-rod: to summarize: |
| [17:54:53] | j-rod: | yeah, I see some stuff including my name, but no direct questions, correct? |
| [17:55:16] | mkrufky: | j-rod: i've confirmed the bug under 2.6.22.1 — tested under debian. it only affects b2c2-flexcop, it seems.... i tested cx88-dvb, dvb-bt8xx, and dvb-usb without any problem |
| [17:55:35] | mkrufky: | j-rod: nah, i dont think any direct questions ... i just gave you a report of my tests, thats all |
| [17:55:42] | j-rod: | aha, okay, cool |
| [17:56:31] | mkrufky: | i still dont think there is any bug in b2c2-flexcop itself..... although we may need to change things around there to handle whatever upstream did to cause it |
| [17:56:47] | ** mkrufky is still clueless on this matter :-( ** | |
| [17:57:02] | mkrufky: | the bisection test will tell us where to look |
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| [17:57:47] | mkrufky: | oh, to translate for the users....... if you're using a b2c2-flexcop (air2pc, airstar5000, etc) dont upgrade to 2.6.22 (yet) |
| [17:58:08] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:58:17] | Beirdo: | I have one, but so far can't receive crap |
| [17:58:27] | mkrufky: | which one? |
| [17:58:40] | Beirdo: | air2pc |
| [17:58:45] | Beirdo: | an oldish one... |
| [17:58:49] | mkrufky: | there are 3 different revisions |
| [17:58:58] | Beirdo: | yeah, this one's third hand :) |
| [17:59:13] | Beirdo: | I think it was j-rod's at one point, then xris', now in my machine |
| [17:59:14] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:59:47] | Beirdo: | 00:0b.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02) |
| [17:59:49] | mkrufky: | if you have an old one, it either has the nxt2002 or the bcm3510 ... the bcm3510 is much more common |
| [17:59:50] | Beirdo: | Subsystem: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card |
| [17:59:53] | Beirdo: | if that helps |
| [18:00:08] | mkrufky: | rev 2... hmm, i think that the bcm one |
| [18:00:22] | Beirdo: | [ 17.069330] nxt200x: NXT2002 Detected |
| [18:00:22] | Beirdo: | [ 17.069458] b2c2-flexcop: found the nxt2002 at i2c address: 0x0a |
| [18:00:25] | Beirdo: | nope :) |
| [18:00:26] | mkrufky: | aha |
| [18:00:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:00:38] | mkrufky: | it works |
| [18:00:47] | mkrufky: | i even got qam to work on that one (but badly) |
| [18:00:53] | Beirdo: | anyways, with the mountains between me and the transmitter... nothing has ever shown up on scans |
| [18:00:54] | mkrufky: | it should really only be used for OTA |
| [18:01:13] | mkrufky: | gotcha |
| [18:01:27] | Beirdo: | I'm planning on trying it on the cable with QAM sometime, but I'm lazy, and also don't have the splitter right now |
| [18:01:40] | mkrufky: | it doesnt work well with qam |
| [18:01:57] | Beirdo: | just doesn't receive, or would it bring down the system? |
| [18:01:59] | mkrufky: | if you have qam64, then it should work fine ... but thats unlikely |
| [18:02:06] | mkrufky: | just doesnt receive well |
| [18:02:13] | Beirdo: | OK, that I can live with :) |
| [18:02:14] | mkrufky: | wont bring down the system :-) |
| [18:03:00] | Beirdo: | it's in my fileserver, so crashes are highly undesirable :) |
| [18:03:47] | Beirdo: | one of these days, I'll dig up a splitter and have a go at it |
| [18:04:10] | Beirdo: | but our general plan is to get Dish Network once I have a job |
| [18:04:26] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [18:04:30] | Beirdo: | and tell our CRAPPY cable provider what part of their collective anatomy they can shove the cable up |
| [18:04:53] | Beirdo: | with a decent antenna, I may be able to get OTA |
| [18:05:00] | Beirdo: | but once again.... $$$$ |
| [18:05:06] | mkrufky: | $30 |
| [18:05:08] | Beirdo: | my wife would lynch me currently :) |
| [18:05:36] | Beirdo: | yeah, it's something to consider... |
| [18:05:56] | Beirdo: | in my copious spare time that I use on too many projects and all :) |
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| [18:07:18] | j-rod: | yeah, that was once my card... There's that card, an hd2000 and an hd3000 that I've parted ways with over time |
| [18:07:32] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:07:35] | j-rod: | oh, and a dvico fusionhdtv5 lite |
| [18:07:46] | Beirdo: | it has a good home, but so far no luck getting a useful signal |
| [18:07:51] | Beirdo: | I should try again |
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| [18:12:55] | mkrufky: | DViCO has a new card... probably will be very long before we'll have linux support, if any |
| [18:13:25] | mkrufky: | http://www.fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Boards/PressR . . . 376&pg=1 |
| [18:13:43] | mkrufky: | FusionHDTV6 Cool .... using a totally new PCI bridge :-/ |
| [18:13:46] | Beirdo: | status 00 | signal fff0 | snr ea60 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | |
| [18:13:48] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [18:13:56] | Beirdo: | still no signal on THAT channel |
| [18:14:10] | Beirdo: | wonder if I disconnected the crappy antenna |
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| [18:16:22] | thostr: | hm need to upgrade my frontend. been looking at the Abit AN-M2HD mainboard. it has integrated Nvidia 7050 videocard with hdmi + vga output... |
| [18:16:34] | thostr: | anyone in here have recent frontend hardware? |
| [18:17:12] | Beirdo: | mkrufky, got time for a quick PM? |
| [18:17:42] | mkrufky: | Beirdo: sure |
| [18:17:54] | mkrufky: | Beirdo: im at work, so i might not respond quickly |
| [18:25:04] | iamlindoro: | thostr: don't waste your money paying for HDMI out... just use DVI, and if you have to go in to HDMI, use a DVI-HDMI cable. You'll save a mint |
| [18:25:19] | iamlindoro: | unless you have other reasons for wanting that board |
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| [18:25:51] | thostr: | iamlindoro: there's a version sans HDMI/with DVI, but it's only $15 buckaroos less |
| [18:26:34] | iamlindoro: | HDMI is useless in myth, since it doesn't use HDCP, so might as well at least save the $15 |
| [18:26:47] | thostr: | actually I agree |
| [18:27:45] | thostr: | wonder if the integrated graphics board really cuts it for video plaback |
| [18:27:55] | thostr: | it totally sucks for 3d performance, but that's irrelevant |
| [18:28:33] | iamlindoro: | It's probably ok so long as the nvidia restricted drivers support it, which I'm sure they do |
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| [18:29:46] | thostr: | yes they do, but as you say they are still restricted so I'll have to beef up on the CPU to ensure proper HD playback |
| [18:29:59] | iamlindoro: | and depending on what you want to do, I'm sure XvMC would be fine... doubt your graphics card will ever be the bottleneck in myth so long as it's an nVidia |
| [18:30:15] | iamlindoro: | I meant restricted as in non open source |
| [18:30:48] | iamlindoro: | I am doing 1080i HD playback with a Pentium D, so I am sure you'll be fine |
| [18:30:52] | thostr: | iamlindoro: it is also restricted in what card facilities it supports |
| [18:30:59] | thostr: | iamlindoro: which graphics adapter? |
| [18:31:24] | iamlindoro: | nVidia 8600, no XvMC |
| [18:31:56] | Dagmar: | Hopefully they'll get around to giving the Linux driver the new 264 decoding |
| [18:32:07] | iamlindoro: | Would be nice |
| [18:32:35] | iamlindoro: | Am just waiting for mplayer svn to not crash when playing my ripped Blu-ray DVDs... |
| [18:32:40] | iamlindoro: | it's getting painfully close |
| [18:32:54] | iamlindoro: | actually plays the video ok, but the audio codecs are the problem, I think |
| [18:33:35] | thostr: | the Tru-HD stuff or whatever it's called? |
| [18:34:30] | thostr: | my Athlon XP 1500/FX5200 almost plays back mpeg4-ripped HD-DVD version of The Matrix... |
| [18:35:06] | thostr: | I'm pretty impressed, those are the parts of a previously scrapped system |
| [18:35:46] | iamlindoro: | My rips are un-transcoded, as transcoding a ripped Blu-ray disc is currently problematic if not impossible. |
| [18:36:05] | iamlindoro: | I think the problem is with limited AVC1 support |
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| [18:39:59] | ZmaX: | Hi all. I installed MythTV back and front-end but, launching the front-end and trying watch tv, it says me that probably the server is not running or the ip address is wrong. I setup ip address and, maybe, the server is running... Someone could help me please? (I already followed MythTV documentation) |
| [18:40:07] | juski: | I really wouldn't admit to violating the DMCA in a logged channel but hey |
| [18:40:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:40:41] | iamlindoro: | point taken... although in my defense I own all the discs :) |
| [18:40:54] | iamlindoro: | irrelevant I know |
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| [18:40:54] | Beirdo: | the law may be an ass, but it is the law |
| [18:41:07] | juski: | ZmaX: then maybe the backend isn't running. now there's a concept |
| [18:41:21] | iamlindoro: | *sigh* Dmax: ps aux |grep mythbackend |
| [18:41:45] | ** Beirdo watches a totally failing ATSC scan ** | |
| [18:42:04] | ** Beirdo wonders if he disconnected the antenna during the last office rearranging ** | |
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| [18:42:51] | Beirdo: | dumping lists (0 services) |
| [18:42:53] | Beirdo: | wohooo |
| [18:42:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [18:49:31] | Beirdo: | WHOA! |
| [18:49:32] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [18:49:33] | jthomas_work: | is any1 here from UK ? |
| [18:49:54] | Beirdo: | WAPA DIGITAL TELEVISION:551028615:8VSB:33:36:2 |
| [18:50:00] | Beirdo: | it found something! |
| [18:50:03] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [18:50:59] | jthomas_work: | does Hauppage have a good HDTV card ? because I dont know whether to buy PVR-150 or go for HDTV card |
| [18:51:12] | juski: | jthomas_work: there's no free to air HDTV in the UK |
| [18:51:37] | juski: | jthomas_work: don't buy an analogue tuner now. analogue will be switched off in a couple of years, if not sooner in some places |
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| [18:52:09] | jthomas_work: | juski: yes I know, Ive heard about that, Im looking for something to operate wiht Virgin media |
| [18:53:06] | juski: | jthomas_work: you're tied to a pvr150 card then. even if you get HDTV from them (for what – ONE channel of HD) you can't capture HDTV into myth |
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| [18:53:36] | jthomas_work: | do they only have ONE channel in HD ? :P |
| [18:53:55] | juski: | yep. and that'd the BBC HD channel |
| [18:54:12] | juski: | they do have some on-demand content but that's all PPV |
| [18:55:45] | jthomas_work: | juski: ah, however Hauppage has also pvr 1300 which is a hybrid card |
| [18:56:14] | jthomas_work: | ah this is only for analogue and Freeview, but is Freeview in HD ? |
| [18:56:14] | juski: | jthomas_work: avoid hybrid cards like the plauge |
| [18:56:27] | juski: | freeview isn't HD, nor is it likely to ever be HD |
| [18:56:45] | juski: | if it *ever* makes it to HDTV, it won't be before 2012 at the very earliest |
| [18:57:02] | jthomas_work: | ah its just only digital.. |
| [18:57:21] | jthomas_work: | heh ebuyer has so many types of pvr 150 :) with MCE remote / without ... etc.. |
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| [18:58:45] | juski: | anyway, there are no linux drivers yet for the hvr1300 card's analogue side |
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| [18:59:07] | juski: | your best bet for the money is to go for separate cards |
| [18:59:16] | jthomas_work: | juski : what input should I use to connect to virgin box ( i think they have SCART ) |
| [18:59:25] | juski: | if the motherboard you're planning to use doesn't have more than 1 pci slot, forget about that motherboard |
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| [18:59:35] | juski: | jthomas_work: composite. there's no svideo output from a VM box |
| [19:00:10] | juski: | virgin media boxes do composite or RGB. and you can't capture RGB without converting it to something else first |
| [19:00:38] | jthomas_work: | which one is better , composite or RGB ? |
| [19:01:16] | juski: | RGB is better, but to grab it with a PVR150 you'd have to convert it to composite or svideo anyway. no point |
| [19:02:17] | fryfrog: | i don't think you can do "rgb" (component) in |
| [19:02:25] | fryfrog: | er, well i know you can't do component |
| [19:02:53] | jthomas_work: | eh just a card costs 41 pounds, but with MCE remote it goes up to 57 :) |
| [19:03:31] | jthomas_work: | what remote do you use ? |
| [19:03:31] | juski: | I had to correct the pskin wiki the other day for somebody had said the pvr150 does component |
| [19:08:18] | Beirdo: | but of course, the ONE station I can receive via OTA right now... is the one station I hate the most |
| [19:10:20] | juski: | heh |
| [19:10:33] | Beirdo: | always Spanish, always crappy shows |
| [19:10:36] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:10:36] | juski: | jthomas_work: I use a OFA-6 with a homebrew IR receiver on a spare serial port |
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| [19:11:30] | jthomas_work: | ah but then I will have to build one :) and I think it will look ugly |
| [19:11:47] | juski: | arggh ffs inkscape |
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| [19:12:03] | Gammelmark: | i have modified hte mythplugins configure script to use the correct qmake (qt3), but ./configure creates a Makefile that refers to the nonexisting /usr/share/qt3 ... any hints? |
| [19:16:14] | laga: | Gammelmark: set $QTDIR |
| [19:16:35] | Dagmar: | ...like you're supposed to. |
| [19:16:50] | Dagmar: | juski: Dude, whose build of Inkscape are you using? |
| [19:17:18] | juski: | Dagmar: an official one. not on linux. I guess that's prolly where I'm going wrong |
| [19:17:24] | Dagmar: | Weird. |
| [19:17:33] | Dagmar: | it doesn't blow up on me using WinXP either |
| [19:17:53] | Gammelmark: | laga, i did – it points to /usr/qt/3/ which is correct |
| [19:17:54] | Dagmar: | ...although it does occasionally just seize up for minutes at a time |
| [19:18:03] | Dagmar: | I suspect there's something hokey with the libgc replacements |
| [19:18:26] | jthomas_work: | I dont know why Hauppage makes a FM input in PVR cards... :) does any1 use it ? :P |
| [19:19:32] | mkrufky: | it works |
| [19:19:44] | juski: | just not in mythtv |
| [19:19:58] | mkrufky: | it's PCM audio, not compressed |
| [19:20:00] | juski: | anyway who needs FM radio when there's DVB radio? ;) |
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| [19:20:10] | mkrufky: | we dont have DVB radio everywhere |
| [19:20:46] | jthomas_work: | but you can use a normal radio receiver :) why does it have to be built in PC |
| [19:21:14] | mkrufky: | you can watch a normal TV ... why does it have to be built into a PC ? |
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| [19:21:37] | jthomas_work: | but with radio you have to plug another cable.. :/ |
| [19:21:45] | juski: | but with dvb radio you don't |
| [19:22:05] | juski: | and you've got a very powerful radio recorder, so you never miss any fab BBC radio again :) |
| [19:22:19] | mkrufky: | ugh, plugging in a 2nd cable is SOOOOO strenuous |
| [19:23:30] | jthomas_work: | and you will end up with box with tons of cables |
| [19:23:34] | juski: | infact it'd be true to say I use mythtv for radio more than TV personally |
| [19:23:48] | juski: | jthomas_work: with dvb radio you get the radio from the same place the TV comes from |
| [19:24:04] | juski: | and it's fantastic quality, unlike DAB & FM |
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| [19:24:51] | juski: | oh and there's a script to automagically dump it out to a directory ready to squirt onto a mobile device, say for playing in the car on the way to work ;) |
| [19:25:22] | jthomas_work: | do you use Linux MCE ? |
| [19:25:56] | juski: | ROFLMAO |
| [19:26:02] | juski: | nobody can use that yet |
| [19:26:53] | jthomas_work: | havent they released an image ? |
| [19:27:15] | jthomas_work: | 1.1 RC1 |
| [19:27:17] | juski: | I wouldn't say it's in a usable state yet |
| [19:27:33] | juski: | stick to a proper distro |
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| [19:28:30] | laga: | like mythbuntu. |
| [19:28:34] | laga: | if the site wasn't down :( |
| [19:28:47] | laga: | i wonder how people will like mythbuntu one it's released. |
| [19:29:24] | juski: | other than more regular package updates I don't really see much need for mythbuntu |
| [19:29:33] | juski: | it's already so simple a munter can do it without RTFM |
| [19:30:39] | laga: | juski: the installer can enable tv-out on nvidia (and ati afaik) cards. |
| [19:31:39] | juski: | yeah like that's so hard to do ;) |
| [19:32:07] | juski: | I sometimes wonder, if stuff gets much easier in linux will anybody ever bother to even TRY to do anything themselves? |
| [19:32:25] | jthomas_work: | i will use a normal distro like Ubuntu :) but sometimes linux can go crazy with 64 bit amd processors :) |
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| [19:32:40] | juski: | jthomas_work: FWIW, I hear it's not worth going for a 64-bit option |
| [19:32:59] | juski: | I'd take stability over a measly speed increase anytime |
| [19:33:47] | jthomas_work: | I still can install 32 bit version :) but I wondered if there is a big change between those 2 versions :) |
| [19:33:59] | immolo: | myth is stable on my 64bit system |
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| [19:59:08] | floppyears: | hi guys |
| [19:59:24] | floppyears: | what's a good amount of budget $$$ for a mythtv box ? |
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| [20:06:05] | ZmaX: | Hi. In MythTV frontend, if I select "Watch TV" it shows "MythTV is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected". I am trying to make MythTV work on my machine. I had some difficult dealing with Video Sources too. How can I do? Thanks. |
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| [20:06:47] | ZmaX: | :O |
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| [20:08:00] | ZmaX: | Hi. In MythTV frontend, if I select "Watch TV" it shows "MythTV is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected". I am trying to make MythTV work on my machine. I had some difficult dealing with Video Sources too. How can I do? Thanks. |
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| [20:09:54] | jthomas_work: | hmm is MCE remote worth buying ? ( difference is 12 pounds) |
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| [20:10:28] | iamlindoro: | Worth it if you don't already have a remote |
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| [20:11:03] | jthomas_work: | ok thank you :) |
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| [20:14:55] | floppyears: | hello! |
| [20:15:07] | floppyears: | what tuner cards do you guys use ? |
| [20:15:28] | Como|Lappy: | pvr 350 |
| [20:15:56] | kormoc: | floppyears, Honestly, it's likely better to describe what you want to do before asking about what card(s) to get |
| [20:15:59] | iamlindoro: | floppy: you will get about a million answers. Commonly used are PVR cards and HD 5000s for HDTV |
| [20:16:15] | floppyears: | kormoc: ok |
| [20:16:18] | iamlindoro: | that is, PVR cards for SD |
| [20:16:26] | floppyears: | I have two regular analgo tvs |
| [20:16:50] | floppyears: | and I would like to setup mythtv, I was thinking about setting up mythtv for one of them |
| [20:16:59] | floppyears: | but then I read that you can have many backends and frontends |
| [20:17:08] | floppyears: | what do you guys recommend in terms of tuner cards ? |
| [20:17:15] | iamlindoro: | Well your tuner card has little to do with what you are outputting to |
| [20:17:16] | floppyears: | what about remotes ? |
| [20:17:26] | iamlindoro: | 'cause you can record HD and still output to analog |
| [20:17:34] | iamlindoro: | but sounds like it might be best to just get a PVR-150 |
| [20:17:44] | juski: | floppyears: to capture analogue TV, I'd recommend nothing but Hauppauge PVR 150 & PVR 500 cards |
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| [20:18:25] | floppyears: | juski: why not the 350 ? |
| [20:18:34] | juski: | because it's deprecated, that's why |
| [20:18:39] | iamlindoro: | If you plan to upgrade to HD any time soon you might consider a couple of HD 5000s which will also capture analog in the meantime |
| [20:19:00] | juski: | iamlindoro: bah. they're nothing but lamegrabbers to do SDTV though – and that's BAD |
| [20:19:20] | iamlindoro: | Many people use the PVR-150 Media Center Edition which comes with a well-supported remote |
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| [20:19:40] | iamlindoro: | Also, the streamzap remote is common |
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| [20:19:53] | iamlindoro: | juski: I know, I know, just throwin' it out there ;) |
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| [20:20:09] | floppyears: | ok, so since I'm going to be outputting mythtv to a tv what extra card would I need to buy ? |
| [20:20:12] | juski: | floppyears: the pvr350 is no use for playing xvid/dvix/anything other than mpeg1 or mpeg2. it has no digital audio output. its quality used to be top of the pile by a long way but nvidia card TV outs are much better these days |
| [20:20:17] | floppyears: | besides the 150 or 500 hauppage ? |
| [20:20:31] | iamlindoro: | A video card with outputs appropriate for your television |
| [20:20:34] | juski: | floppyears: for SDTV a nvidia fx5200 or so will do just fine |
| [20:20:41] | iamlindoro: | most nVidia cards should work well, and include s-video |
| [20:20:57] | floppyears: | ok |
| [20:20:58] | ** iamlindoro feels like juskis brotha' from another motha' ** | |
| [20:21:05] | jthomas_work: | iamlindoro: but they have 2 packs with different remotes |
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| [20:21:34] | iamlindoro: | jthomas: either will work fine, although possibly with different LIRC setup |
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| [20:21:46] | iamlindoro: | jthomas: mine is MCE version and works well |
| [20:24:31] | floppyears: | so what would you guys recommend about cpu and ram ? |
| [20:25:15] | iamlindoro: | floppy: check out this thread, it is better than asking such broad questions here: |
| [20:25:15] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1744 |
| [20:26:17] | juski: | floppyears: the slowest CPU you can buy new these days will be more than powerful enough to play standard def. TV |
| [20:26:37] | floppyears: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [20:28:10] | jams: | man i don't don't even know why i read emails by BEWW, all they do is annoy |
| [20:28:16] | laga_: | juski: what about epia cpus? :> |
| [20:28:26] | floppyears: | jams: just skim and delete, but even that takes a while :( |
| [20:28:57] | floppyears: | ok, if I want to have 2 tvs connected to 1 machine and still have 2 mythtv instances would there be any problems ? |
| [20:29:09] | floppyears: | length of cable to be run since they are in separate rooms ? |
| [20:29:27] | jthomas_work: | or use wifi |
| [20:29:42] | iamlindoro: | Probably *possible* using twinview but not recommended |
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| [20:30:03] | floppyears: | jthomas_work: I just want to have 1 physical box, since I don't want to be spending too much $$$ |
| [20:30:37] | floppyears: | iamlindoro: I'm thinking of 2 separate mythtv allowing 2 different channels to be viewed on each tv |
| [20:30:47] | floppyears: | is buying an extra card enough ? |
| [20:30:49] | jthomas_work: | so you need 2 pvr150 or one 500 |
| [20:31:33] | clever: | floppyears: if you run the second mythfrontend/mythwelcome under a diff username it can have a diff ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt which will give a false hostname so the 2nd thinks its on a different box |
| [20:31:45] | iamlindoro: | if you want two televisions run off the same box, each with two channels, you need four tuners and to get twinview running so that each card gets a separate X instance.. |
| [20:31:58] | floppyears: | running the coax cable to the other tv wouldn't be too much of a problem |
| [20:32:04] | iamlindoro: | but I assume you mean one channel on each, so two tuners would do |
| [20:32:08] | floppyears: | but what about the remote receiver ? |
| [20:32:15] | iamlindoro: | no no no |
| [20:32:15] | floppyears: | how far can that be from the machine ? |
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| [20:32:30] | clever: | iamlindoro: im using X in dual moniter mode(crt as :0.0 and tv :0.1) and i could run 2 frontends that way without twinview or multiple X's |
| [20:32:30] | iamlindoro: | there is a conceptual problem here |
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| [20:32:59] | clever: | but getting focus to both frontends at once with keyboard would be tricky(lirc would work better) |
| [20:33:18] | iamlindoro: | floppy, what inputs do your TVs have? |
| [20:33:29] | clever: | im spliting the video/audio from my main frontend and a usb extension |
| [20:33:34] | clever: | and running that down to my bedroom |
| [20:33:44] | laga_: | clever: yeah, you'll run into focus problems. let me know when/how you solve them |
| [20:33:45] | clever: | so that mythfrontend shows up in 2 rooms |
| [20:34:14] | clever: | laga_: lirc wont care about focus within X |
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| [20:34:21] | clever: | and running 2 seperate X servers would also do |
| [20:34:30] | laga_: | clever: but mythtv and its popups do. |
| [20:34:43] | clever: | but they would need some special setup if they used a keyboard/mouse |
| [20:34:43] | laga_: | running two separate X servers is not possible on nvidia cards :( |
| [20:34:58] | iamlindoro: | anyway, as previously mentioned, not an optimal setup to try to run multiple tvs off one b ox |
| [20:35:02] | clever: | yeah my nvidia card refuses to let X run in ONLY tvout |
| [20:35:06] | laga_: | clever: no, just use udev to map the devices to unique names |
| [20:35:07] | clever: | i have to use both or vga only |
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| [20:35:24] | laga_: | at least it's not possible on my nvidia card |
| [20:35:42] | jams: | laga_- i can't do it either..most annoying |
| [20:35:45] | iamlindoro: | And if you investing the cash to build a frontend/backend that can run two instances of myth with acceptable performance, might as well spend a half as much and build two systems |
| [20:36:08] | clever: | http://netpatia.blogspot.com/2006/09/multisea . . . -ubuntu.html |
| [20:36:15] | mkrufky: | laga_: on my pII i run two separate X servers, one drives an nVidia card, the other drives a Trident card |
| [20:36:21] | clever: | that explains how to get 2 mice/keyboards/Xservers going on 1 multihead card |
| [20:36:45] | clever: | its actualy 3 X servers(one covering all outputs) and 2 acting as client/server hybrids |
| [20:36:58] | floppyears: | iamlindoro: my tv has coax s-vido and composite |
| [20:37:59] | laga_: | mkrufky: sure. but it's not possible with only one nvidia card. |
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| [20:38:15] | iamlindoro: | ok so minimally you will need to use S-video out on two cards, OR convert DVI/VGA to Composite and one S-video output on one card |
| [20:38:22] | clever: | Xephyr will make a 'fake' X server which draws to a window in another X server |
| [20:38:22] | mkrufky: | laga_: ah, ok |
| [20:38:50] | iamlindoro: | either way, YUCK! Still better to just build two CHEAP systems instead of trying to run two televisions off of one |
| [20:38:56] | iamlindoro: | that way is fraught with peril |
| [20:38:57] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [20:39:01] | laga_: | clever: does xephyr support xv? |
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| [20:40:12] | clever: | and it will directly access its own keyboard/mouse(not the merged allmice/allkeyboards the kernel provides) |
| [20:40:17] | clever: | you could then put seperate mythtv's inside each Xephyr with there own hostname(thru mysql.txt) |
| [20:40:17] | clever: | not shure if it supports xv |
| [20:40:17] | clever: | but ive seen stuff about it not supporting dri |
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| [20:40:43] | clever: | its basicaly turning a window window on X into a private X server |
| [20:40:57] | clever: | so you could make a master X that covers all outputs on all cards |
| [20:41:00] | floppyears: | ok, so the guru level of getting 2 tvs with mythtv but with only 1 machine is too high ? |
| [20:41:03] | clever: | then put private servers on each thru the master one |
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| [20:41:13] | iamlindoro: | Depends on YOUR guru level |
| [20:41:14] | floppyears: | meaning not very well tested and I'm likely to run into bugs, etc ? |
| [20:41:18] | floppyears: | with the kernel and mythtv ? |
| [20:41:36] | clever: | its complex(i understand the basics but havent tryed it since my current setup works fine) |
| [20:41:46] | iamlindoro: | I think that saying it is not commonly done is a fair assessment |
| [20:41:58] | iamlindoro: | and that anything you might run into would be difficult for anyone else to support |
| [20:42:04] | clever: | brb |
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| [20:42:59] | iamlindoro: | you might get two instances running but choke points I can see are: database access/corruption, LIRC issues, etc. |
| [20:43:18] | floppyears: | yeah, that's what I thought, it might be tricky and not worth it :( |
| [20:43:53] | iamlindoro: | Very worth it to have multiple systems... just save a *little* on your primary system, buy the cheapest box you can find and it's likely ok to run as a frontend in the second room |
| [20:43:56] | floppyears: | how much ram do you guys use for a tuner card that has hardware encoder ? |
| [20:44:56] | floppyears: | iamlindoro: so how would be the setup of 2 machines ? both frontend and backend or 1 frotnend/backend and the other one just a frontend ? |
| [20:45:09] | iamlindoro: | One frontend/backend, the other just frontend |
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| [20:45:21] | floppyears: | ok |
| [20:45:36] | iamlindoro: | And 512 MB RAM is usually ok on most machines when you're just outputting SD, not doing other intense stuff, etc. |
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| [20:48:02] | floppyears: | how responsive is mythtv ? meaning lagging ? |
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| [20:48:15] | kormoc: | floppyears, lagging in what? |
| [20:48:18] | iamlindoro: | ?? |
| [20:48:19] | floppyears: | my gf will put some money for the system too and she'd be pissed if it's laggy |
| [20:48:34] | floppyears: | kormoc: when you select something how fast/smooth does the action happen |
| [20:48:34] | floppyears: | etc |
| [20:48:52] | kormoc: | decently snappy |
| [20:49:00] | kormoc: | channel changing and the like on the other hand is a bit slow |
| [20:49:39] | iamlindoro: | that said, It's no slower that the crap comcast DVR my parents had before I built them a myth box |
| [20:50:00] | floppyears: | iamlindoro: how did they like it? how much $$$ did you spend ? |
| [20:50:07] | floppyears: | what about hhd ? |
| [20:50:20] | floppyears: | I know the more the merrier, but what's common around here |
| [20:50:48] | kormoc: | i have a single 200 for recordings |
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| [20:50:51] | iamlindoro: | I built it out of spare parts so I spent $0, and they love it. They rip all the movies they buy to it now and use it very well. Use Juski's Blootube-wide theme. |
| [20:50:54] | laga_: | just get whatever has the best gigabyte/dollar ratio |
| [20:50:59] | iamlindoro: | I have 2.2 TB in LVM |
| [20:52:44] | floppyears: | iamlindoro: wow, how much $$$ did you spend on that ? |
| [20:53:08] | iamlindoro: | Just built it out over time. about $200 on each drive every six months or so, so $800 max |
| [20:53:33] | iamlindoro: | Only LVM'ed it recently, just just sitting there as a bunch of disks before |
| [20:53:36] | iamlindoro: | er was just |
| [20:54:00] | iamlindoro: | still, disk space is cheap, 500 GB can be had for well under $200 |
| [20:54:20] | iamlindoro: | and you can always add more when necessary |
| [20:55:27] | floppyears: | yeah, I'm trying to decide whether to get a $320 disk or 500GB |
| [20:55:58] | iamlindoro: | If you are planning to rip DVDs/put mvoies on it then go bigger, if all you want to do is time shifting less disk is fine, I think |
| [20:56:29] | kormoc: | floppyears, 500 gb is the sweet spot right now |
| [20:56:30] | floppyears: | what's the best remote out there to use with mythtv ? |
| [20:56:43] | kormoc: | I personally love the MS McE remote |
| [20:56:51] | iamlindoro: | dude, you gotta check out that thread I sent you at, all these answers are there |
| [20:56:58] | iamlindoro: | and I like that remote too :) |
| [20:57:26] | floppyears: | iamlindoro: I was asking more for your personal opinion |
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| [20:57:55] | iamlindoro: | The MCE one with the PVR 150 is very good, lots of buttons, and you're buying the capture card anyway |
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| [20:58:02] | floppyears: | iamlindoro: I will check out the thread is just that right now, I'm at work and waiting for some small stuff while I chat here. |
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| [21:09:00] | jthomas_work: | how can check my motherboard type ? |
| [21:12:14] | iamlindoro: | Model number is probably silkscreened onto the board |
| [21:13:01] | floppyears: | jthomas_work: the bios might tell you some info as well |
| [21:13:27] | jthomas_work: | or, is there linux command which can tell me ? |
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| [21:13:54] | floppyears: | jthomas_work: don't know, you might want to try dmesg |
| [21:14:32] | iamlindoro: | not that I am aware of since the board is a set of components made by various manufacturers. You can get info on the components, but the boards model is more abstract |
| [21:16:20] | jthomas_work: | yes, I got old Compaq PIII SFF but i would like to change the case, so. i dont know which to choose |
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| [21:16:54] | iamlindoro: | It's probably just ATX |
| [21:21:25] | jthomas_work: | hmm or i could put desktop into aquarium :P |
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| [21:25:35] | iamlindoro: | yup, suspend it in oil, build a truly silent pc |
| [21:26:30] | mkrufky: | or you can take out all the fans and stick it in the freezer |
| [21:26:33] | mkrufky: | ... but by the time it's in the freezer, you might as well have left in the fans, cuz ur not gonna hear it inside there anyway |
| [21:27:33] | iamlindoro: | You know you're a geek when you buy the refrigerator with the lcd screen and wonder how far you can OC that baby |
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| [21:38:49] | subpacket: | Question: I've setup a MythTV Box w/Ubuntu Feisty and have a PVR-150 and BT878 capture cards installed. The PVR-150 is experiencing "jumpy" video when recording TV. The audio doesn't lose sync but the video seems to jump around the screen and is otherwise distorted. My previous Ubuntu Edgy box didn't exhibit this kind of behaviour.. Google has found some info on the problem but no solution. Anyone kno |
| [21:38:49] | subpacket: | w of any solutions here? |
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| [21:42:36] | santas_slayer: | hello all |
| [21:43:25] | santas_slayer: | i'm having troubles locking with my 103g in myth |
| [21:43:44] | santas_slayer: | v4l drivers are loaded |
| [21:44:04] | mkrufky: | subpacket: there have been many ivtv bugfixes in the past week |
| [21:44:08] | mkrufky: | subpacket: you might want to upgrade to the latest v4l-dvb modules on linuxtv.org ... howto @ http://linuxtv.org/repo |
| [21:44:15] | mkrufky: | subpacket: before you do that, you'll have to 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install build-essential mercurial linux-headers-`uname -r` ' |
| [21:44:28] | santas_slayer: | i have the latest v4l drivers |
| [21:44:33] | santas_slayer: | installed via mercurial |
| [21:45:45] | subpacket: | mkrufky: cool... I'll take a look... |
| [21:46:24] | subpacket: | mkrufky: thanks for the info. |
| [21:46:37] | mkrufky: | you're welcome, subpacket |
| [21:46:47] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: i was afk, but, LOL ;-) |
| [21:47:41] | santas_slayer: | mk |
| [21:47:42] | santas_slayer: | http://uuoc.com/1839 |
| [21:48:10] | mkrufky: | santas_slayer: yes, cx88-dvb , NOT bttv |
| [21:48:14] | santas_slayer: | i see |
| [21:48:30] | santas_slayer: | i'm trying to figure out my next step in troubleshooting this |
| [21:49:31] | mkrufky: | looks like you have an unsupported card, santas_slayer |
| [21:49:38] | santas_slayer: | hrm |
| [21:49:50] | mkrufky: | plz show me dmesg in pastebin |
| [21:50:39] | santas_slayer: | http://uuoc.com/1840 |
| [21:51:40] | mkrufky: | oops, im sorry santas_slayer .... your card is supported — i read the wrong line :-P |
| [21:52:42] | santas_slayer: | hehe |
| [21:52:44] | santas_slayer: | i was wondering |
| [21:53:22] | santas_slayer: | still not getting signal on scan |
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| [21:54:03] | mkrufky: | yeah, i dunno — i dont know anything about dvb-s |
| [21:54:27] | mkrufky: | what i DO know is that any module params that you send to bttv are useless :-P cuz cx88-dvb is your driver |
| [21:55:01] | santas_slayer: | i see |
| [21:55:04] | santas_slayer: | thanks so far |
| [21:55:11] | mkrufky: | your welcome |
| [21:55:15] | mkrufky: | this is what i recommend: |
| [21:55:16] | santas_slayer: | knowing there are no module options eliminates that |
| [21:55:27] | mkrufky: | dont mess with mythtv, until you already know how to get dvb-s working |
| [21:55:34] | santas_slayer: | uhh |
| [21:55:39] | santas_slayer: | i've had dvb-s working for 2 years |
| [21:55:42] | mkrufky: | there are knowledgeble people in #linuxtv |
| [21:55:43] | santas_slayer: | with vdr |
| [21:55:47] | mkrufky: | oh, with vdr, huh? |
| [21:55:50] | santas_slayer: | yeah |
| [21:55:52] | mkrufky: | same hardware, same installation |
| [21:55:55] | santas_slayer: | different card tho |
| [21:55:57] | mkrufky: | just changed app? |
| [21:56:00] | mkrufky: | oh, well thats the point |
| [21:56:04] | mkrufky: | you dont have dvb-s working |
| [21:56:13] | santas_slayer: | i'll plop in my nexus |
| [21:56:16] | santas_slayer: | and go from there |
| [21:56:21] | mkrufky: | it's off topic for here, until you can confirm it's a mythtv problem |
| [21:56:31] | mkrufky: | (doesnt sound like a mythtv problem to me) |
| [21:56:44] | mkrufky: | ok, im going home |
| [21:56:47] | mkrufky: | goodnight, all |
| [21:56:51] | juski: | have fun mkrufky |
| [21:56:59] | mkrufky: | :-) lata |
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| [21:59:15] | fdlinux: | hi veryone |
| [21:59:22] | heanol: | do the nvidia 8xxx-cards work good? |
| [21:59:32] | kormoc: | they tend to |
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| [21:59:36] | fryfrog: | yeah, they work great for latest/next gen games! |
| [21:59:46] | fryfrog: | i dunno why you'd want to *waste* one on a mythbox though :) |
| [21:59:49] | fdlinux: | i know that the mp3 player for mythweb isn't officially supported , but i am having trouble with it :s |
| [21:59:50] | juski: | bit OTT for a mythbox |
| [21:59:59] | heanol: | does it help at all |
| [21:59:59] | heanol: | ? |
| [22:00:05] | ** juski bans the :s emoticon ** | |
| [22:00:06] | heanol: | or does the purevideo stuff not work under linux? |
| [22:00:06] | fryfrog: | "help" for what? |
| [22:00:12] | juski: | heanol: ROFLMAO |
| [22:00:19] | fryfrog: | oh, yeah none of that shit works under linux afaik |
| [22:00:20] | ** kormoc sets mode +b :s ** | |
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| [22:00:24] | fryfrog: | not even sure if it will *ever* |
| [22:00:36] | kormoc: | fryfrog, mythtv-vid branch |
| [22:00:39] | fryfrog: | heanol: you'd be better off with a relativly wimpy nvidia card and a beefier cpu |
| [22:00:43] | kormoc: | opengl based video rendering |
| [22:00:47] | fdlinux: | on mythtv website it says something of a ufo.js ,but where can i find that file? |
| [22:00:49] | juski: | fryfrog: AFAIK there's a $10,000,000 bounty on it from nvidia themselves :-P |
| [22:00:56] | heanol: | fryfrog, alright |
| [22:00:59] | fryfrog: | but that isn't the stuff built into the nvidia cpus for HD stuff, right? |
| [22:01:17] | kormoc: | fryfrog, XvMC v2 == pure video, no ETA on it tho |
| [22:01:23] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [22:01:25] | heanol: | doesn't xvmc work? |
| [22:01:32] | fryfrog: | yeah, xvmc works |
| [22:01:32] | kormoc: | XvMC does work |
| [22:01:38] | kormoc: | but it's only a part of the pure video spec |
| [22:01:40] | heanol: | what card do you recomend then? |
| [22:01:44] | fryfrog: | in my experience, it isn't really worth it |
| [22:01:53] | heanol: | i have a geforce 6xxx something and it's buggy when using xvmc |
| [22:01:56] | fryfrog: | a 5200 series is okay, i use a 6200 series |
| [22:01:56] | kormoc: | heanol, I'm getting a 7300 or so, one that isn't turbo cache |
| [22:01:57] | fdlinux: | anyone know wich file i mean? |
| [22:01:59] | heanol: | OSD is grayscale |
| [22:02:13] | heanol: | fryfrog, do you use xvmc? |
| [22:02:13] | fryfrog: | heanol: yeah, that is one reason xvmc sucks |
| [22:02:17] | fryfrog: | no, it sucks :) |
| [22:02:19] | heanol: | hehe |
| [22:02:21] | kormoc: | heanol, anything with XvMC in the 6xxx or higher will have that issue |
| [22:02:32] | heanol: | so no point in using that then? |
| [22:02:38] | fryfrog: | I just have a nvidia 6200 on an amd64 3200+ and it does HD fine |
| [22:02:39] | juski: | if you can get by without xvmc, do it |
| [22:02:41] | kormoc: | Honestly, I've stopped using XvMC |
| [22:02:44] | fryfrog: | though i don't do any h264 |
| [22:02:59] | heanol: | is it possible to play h264 1080p content with any cpu now? :p |
| [22:03:15] | fryfrog: | I *tried* an h264 video the other day, it *played* but i couldn't ff/rwd very well |
| [22:03:37] | janneg: | heanol: of course. it plays fine on my arm 300mhz |
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| [22:05:16] | fdlinux: | anyone? |
| [22:05:22] | heanol: | janneg, huh? |
| [22:06:18] | fdlinux: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Integrat . . . _for_mythweb |
| [22:06:26] | fdlinux: | the ufo.js file? |
| [22:06:35] | iamlindoro: | googling ufo.js reveals many places to get it... |
| [22:06:36] | fdlinux: | i can't seem to find it :s |
| [22:06:45] | fdlinux: | are they all te same? |
| [22:06:51] | iamlindoro: | and that's just on the first page of results |
| [22:07:12] | fdlinux: | i tried one , but mp3 player keeps saying , get flash |
| [22:07:21] | fdlinux: | en its installed , i checked |
| [22:07:45] | janneg: | heanol: of course not |
| [22:08:00] | heanol: | janneg, Really? |
| [22:08:11] | iamlindoro: | I don't think that's because you lack the ufo.js |
| [22:08:27] | heanol: | There's alot of material but all the benchmarks for playing it i've seen seem to be run on windows where graphics card helps accelerate it. |
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| [22:08:45] | fdlinux: | i followed the howto , what else can it be |
| [22:09:27] | iamlindoro: | uhhhhhhhhh how about a million things? What is it that leads you to believe it's the ufo.js file? |
| [22:10:09] | fdlinux: | none actually , just tought maybe its a special file for that specific player or something |
| [22:10:25] | iamlindoro: | Nope, it's not. |
| [22:10:51] | iamlindoro: | ufo stands for unobtrusive flash objects |
| [22:11:12] | iamlindoro: | there are various versions, however, so you might go to its page and get the latest |
| [22:11:29] | iamlindoro: | that said, it's more likely the problem is with your flash install than that file |
| [22:11:30] | fdlinux: | http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/ufo.js downloaded |
| [22:11:54] | iamlindoro: | or with your execution of the howto |
| [22:13:47] | iamlindoro: | have you checked permissions on all your files? All owned by www-data (or equivalent)? What version of flash is installed? Is flash installed on the system, or just as a plugin? |
| [22:14:23] | fdlinux: | owned by apache |
| [22:14:32] | fdlinux: | flash 8 is installed on this pc |
| [22:14:35] | fdlinux: | non-linux pc |
| [22:14:36] | iamlindoro: | ok, and chmodded correctly? |
| [22:14:45] | fdlinux: | 775 |
| [22:15:24] | iamlindoro: | Then you're on your own. Since it's not part of myth you may not find much help... perhaps contact the mod creator |
| [22:15:57] | fdlinux: | thx anyway |
| [22:16:16] | heanol: | i used mpd on my mythbox |
| [22:16:33] | heanol: | you can use it in combination with phpmp2 and mythweb to control the music.. |
| [22:20:27] | Beirdo: | anyone have any idea what PID EIT info is usually on (if there's a "standard") |
| [22:21:33] | juski: | Beirdo: there's no standard as such |
| [22:21:41] | Beirdo: | aww |
| [22:22:02] | Beirdo: | was just wondering if the ONE channel I can get has any |
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| [22:24:11] | janneg: | Beirdo: 0x12 for DVB-? |
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| [22:24:48] | Beirdo: | ATSC in this case :( but how much bandwidth is it usually? Maybe I can find it that way |
| [22:27:03] | janneg: | not much, but depends on the channel |
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| [22:27:18] | janneg: | for ATSC it's 0xCB and 0xCC |
| [22:27:23] | Beirdo: | ah. OK. I'll just poke around a bit ;) |
| [22:28:52] | Beirdo: | leave a dvbsnoop running on 0xCC for a bit, then 0xCB |
| [22:29:57] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [22:29:59] | Beirdo: | liars |
| [22:30:20] | Beirdo: | the 0x1ffb stream identifies the audio channels as English |
| [22:30:27] | Beirdo: | try Spanish... thanks |
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| [22:36:54] | Beirdo: | http://www.pastebin.ca/648069 |
| [22:36:59] | Beirdo: | that look like EIT? |
| [22:38:06] | Beirdo: | on that channel right now is Super Xclusivo (according to the cable listing) |
| [22:38:24] | Beirdo: | and at 7pm is a film to be announced (Pelicula) |
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| [22:40:22] | Beirdo: | 0x1006 and 0x1007 look like that |
| [22:40:27] | Beirdo: | pids that is |
| [22:41:47] | Beirdo: | and 0x1008 and 0x1009 |
| [22:42:30] | Beirdo: | and 0x1214 has section table 0xCC data |
| [22:42:32] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [22:42:39] | fdlinux: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Integrat . . . ate_Playlist , is it normal for the playlist to be empty ? |
| [22:44:02] | floppyears: | how do you guys interact with mythtv when watching tv ? |
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| [22:44:22] | Beirdo: | by staring at the tube... |
| [22:44:31] | Beirdo: | oh... I use an IR keyboard :) |
| [22:44:38] | iamlindoro: | And screaming at opposing players |
| [22:44:53] | Beirdo: | of course |
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| [22:46:26] | floppyears: | how helpful is it to have an ir keyboard ? |
| [22:46:43] | Beirdo: | full control, no lirc nonsense |
| [22:47:00] | Beirdo: | but it's way bigger than a remote |
| [22:47:03] | iamlindoro: | however, low WAF |
| [22:47:14] | iamlindoro: | Depending on the W :) |
| [22:47:14] | Beirdo: | potentially |
| [22:47:32] | floppyears: | what's WAF ? |
| [22:47:42] | iamlindoro: | Wife acceptance Factor |
| [22:47:51] | floppyears: | haha |
| [22:47:56] | floppyears: | I love that term ! |
| [22:48:10] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I um.... made it up myself! |
| [22:48:16] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that's the ticket! |
| [22:48:24] | floppyears: | yeah |
| [22:48:32] | floppyears: | so what has the biggest WAF ? |
| [22:49:00] | juski: | depends on the wife |
| [22:49:17] | juski: | a single big red button that can't ever get lost. oh and the button reads her mind |
| [22:49:19] | iamlindoro: | Depends on your W... I did not have good WAF until I had tweaked my Mythbox such that everything was perfect and could be run without instruction with the remote |
| [22:49:23] | iamlindoro: | HAHAH |
| [22:49:50] | floppyears: | iamlindoro: yeah that sounds about right for my WAF |
| [22:50:25] | juski: | oh yeah that reminds me. I updated to -fixes the other day & now my radio recordings are failing. at first i thought it was just the recording profile being set to 'tv only' – apparently not |
| [22:50:49] | floppyears: | so how does updating mythtv affect the WAF ? |
| [22:50:54] | iamlindoro: | I really do think the theme has a lot to do with it, too, which is why I recomment Juski's blootube... even if everything is broken, she can still point at it and go, "Ooooh, pretty!" |
| [22:51:01] | iamlindoro: | er recommend |
| [22:51:06] | floppyears: | meaning is there a stable version where everything works and the W is not saying why doesn't this work |
| [22:51:10] | floppyears: | or this used to work ? |
| [22:51:34] | juski: | floppyears: even SVN is stable to the point where it's usable from day to day – *most* of the time |
| [22:52:01] | juski: | you just have to keep abreast of changes before you update to a newer revision incase you break stuff unexpectedly |
| [22:52:14] | juski: | otherwise, 0.20-fixes is good enough for most people |
| [22:52:28] | iamlindoro: | I think updates should be turned OFF on a stable myth machine |
| [22:52:33] | juski: | though most distros don't keep their packages up to date – you're better off building em yourself |
| [22:53:06] | floppyears: | yeah, I agree with iamlindoro |
| [22:53:26] | floppyears: | my W hated when she went to use our linux desktop and some s*** wasn't working due to a recent update of xyz |
| [22:53:57] | juski: | oh yeah as for those nasty auto-updates – they hold no end of potential endless 'fun' |
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| [22:54:21] | iamlindoro: | amusingly enough, I happily let my mail server auto-update... but I would never do such a thing to my myth machine, hahaha |
| [22:54:27] | iamlindoro: | guess it's a matter of priorities |
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| [22:54:45] | floppyears: | what distro do you guys run mythtv with ? |
| [22:55:32] | iamlindoro: | Ubuntu Edgy on one, gentoo on another |
| [22:55:47] | fryfrog: | Used to use Gentoo, now do Ubuntu accross teh board |
| [22:55:55] | fryfrog: | (on all *two* of my boxes) :p |
| [22:56:07] | floppyears: | oh |
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| [23:02:20] | fdlinux: | anyone know from which file mythmusic gets his data ( songs ) ? |
| [23:02:47] | juski: | the database |
| [23:02:50] | juski: | not a file |
| [23:02:56] | juski: | the database. the mysql database |
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| [23:03:35] | fdlinux: | there is a playlist.xspf in /mythweb/data , anyone know how to fill it ? |
| [23:03:38] | juski: | ugh. my dvb radio recordings are all failing since I updated to a newer version of -fixes |
| [23:03:52] | juski: | fdlinux: playlists are stored in the database in mythmusic |
| [23:04:00] | juski: | in the database. the mysql database |
| [23:04:16] | fdlinux: | ok |
| [23:04:21] | juski: | you starting to get a feel for how mythtv stores stuff? |
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| [23:04:44] | fdlinux: | is there anyone here who got the internal mp3 player for mythweb working ? |
| [23:05:02] | fdlinux: | cause i get undefined in the list :s |
| [23:05:58] | juski: | the internal mp3 player for mythweb is *unofficial* |
| [23:06:18] | fdlinux: | i know , but there must be somebody who got it working |
| [23:06:24] | floppyears: | how many mythtv boxes do you guys have ? |
| [23:06:29] | juski: | floppyears: 3 |
| [23:06:48] | juski: | the optimum number is 65536 of course |
| [23:06:49] | floppyears: | how many are backend and frontend ? |
| [23:07:02] | juski: | floppyears: why do you ask? |
| [23:07:08] | juski: | why does it even matter? |
| [23:07:12] | floppyears: | out of curiosity |
| [23:07:36] | juski: | arghh.. "2007-08–07 00:05:37.219 DTVSM(0) Error: We want 0 audio and 1 video streams But have 1 audio and 0 video streams |
| [23:07:41] | juski: | ". bum |
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| [23:07:55] | juski: | well DUH – of course you have that – it's a dvb radio channel you *dummy* |
| [23:09:11] | fdlinux: | juski: is there a way to export the songs in the mysql database to xml file? |
| [23:09:37] | juski: | yes if you write a script to do it |
| [23:09:59] | fdlinux: | i ain't good with scripts :d |
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| [23:14:32] | juski: | right – this must mean that -fixes stream parsing is foobar: 2007-08–07 00:13:41.383 DTVSM(0) Error: We want 0 audio and 1 video streams But have 1 audio and 0 video streams |
| [23:15:14] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:15:31] | Beirdo: | or an if was done wrong when someone was too tired to be coding |
| [23:17:16] | juski: | I think I'll take a look at it myself |
| [23:17:38] | Beirdo: | probably the best plan if you want it to have any priority |
| [23:17:54] | juski: | but I only do themes! ;) |
| [23:18:32] | juski: | I wanna be an advocate for "but I can't code" |
| [23:18:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:18:44] | juski: | I'll be like .. ORLY... |
| [23:19:33] | juski: | time to look in the -commit log for -fixes |
| [23:19:47] | juski: | ah shit. that stuff could've been broken 9 months ago |
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| [23:23:06] | juski: | hmm. how would it know it wants only 0 audio & 1 video stream anyway? radio channels aren't marked as such in the channel table |
| [23:23:10] | juski: | janneg: any ideas? |
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| [23:30:53] | juski: | weird. nothing wrong at all. looks like a change in the default recording profile hadn't taken for some reason |
| [23:35:52] | floppyears: | do any of you guys know what's going to happen with the zap2labs ? |
| [23:36:03] | floppyears: | where are we going to get the tv listings ? |
| [23:36:19] | pat_: | look at the topic |
| [23:37:15] | floppyears: | pat_: yes, I've been to that website, but I was wondering if anyone in here new anything else about it ? |
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| [23:40:49] | juski: | floppyears: waiting for legal stuff to happen among other things now. sit tight |
| [23:41:06] | juski: | in this case, no news is good news. be patient |
| [23:41:22] | floppyears: | oh, ok |
| [23:42:33] | applecrumble: | can anyone help me? my usb dvb tuner works fine in kaffiene. mythtv has found a bunch of channels but it doesn't see any EIT data and when i switch to watching livetv, i get a blank screen with the channel name and after a few seconds i'm told the channel couldn't lock. all the channels do this. :( |
| [23:42:55] | juski: | applecrumble: my guess is that you imported a channels.conf |
| [23:43:33] | applecrumble: | what does that mean? i told mythsetup to scan for channels. it took about 30 minutes and found most of them. |
| [23:43:43] | juski: | ah ok |
| [23:44:00] | applecrumble: | any other ideas? :S |
| [23:44:06] | juski: | maybe you need to increase the tuning timeout for your tuner in mythtv-setup |
| [23:45:17] | applecrumble: | its at 40000ms, it takes a good while before it gives up |
| [23:45:45] | juski: | 40 seconds? jeesh |
| [23:45:46] | applecrumble: | this is what my mythbackend log says towards the end. all i did was switch to livetv, wait a bit, then quit: |
| [23:45:49] | applecrumble: | 2007-08–07 00:35:00.834 adding: antec as a client (events: 0) |
| [23:45:49] | applecrumble: | 2007-08–07 00:35:00.836 TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [23:45:49] | applecrumble: | 2007-08–07 00:35:00.840 TVRec(1) Error: Start channel from DB is empty, setting to '1' instead. |
| [23:45:49] | applecrumble: | 2007-08–07 00:35:00.841 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1 |
| [23:45:49] | applecrumble: | 2007-08–07 00:35:13.016 TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None |
| [23:45:51] | applecrumble: | 2007-08–07 00:35:13.033 Finished recording Unknown: channel 1001 |
| [23:45:54] | juski: | OI! |
| [23:46:02] | juski: | pastebins for more than 3 lines please |
| [23:46:12] | applecrumble: | sorry, what's a pastebin? |
| [23:46:27] | juski: | so you didn't set a channel for mythtv to start on. not a smart move. mythtv-setup would've warned you about that too |
| [23:46:39] | juski: | applecrumble: www.pastebin.ca – as mentioned in the channel topic |
| [23:46:50] | applecrumble: | sorry :S |
| [23:47:18] | applecrumble: | it defaults to bbc one though. i can switch through the channel list, but none of them show anything |
| [23:48:32] | juski: | well according to that error message you've not set a starting channel |
| [23:48:43] | applecrumble: | ok, ill try it now |
| [23:49:07] | juski: | stop mythbackend before making that change in mythtv-setup then restart it afterwards |
| [23:52:20] | floppyears: | I want a really stable rocksolid mythtv box since the W wouldn't be happy if some stuff doesn't work from update to update. |
| [23:52:42] | floppyears: | is it possible to keep snapshots of the os or something like that to revert back |
| [23:53:04] | floppyears: | how do you keep your mythtv box safe and stable without breaking it during updates ? |
| [23:53:11] | juski: | back up the database |
| [23:53:14] | juski: | that's all |
| [23:53:36] | juski: | and be careful not to update the OS unless you *really* have to |
| [23:53:54] | applecrumble: | didn't work, same problem :( |
| [23:54:01] | GreyFoxx: | I automatically backup my DB everynight and keep 15 days worth of backups so I can go back to any point |
| [23:54:13] | juski: | my backend is up 24/7, has mythweb open to the internet, so far safe from intruders without a single OS update |
| [23:54:37] | hads: | That's just wrong. |
| [23:55:31] | GreyFoxx: | As long as you have an htaccess file on it you would be fine |
| [23:55:40] | applecrumble: | any ideas what else i can try? my EIT video source doesn't seem to be finding anything, which looks like a bad sign |
| [23:56:01] | GreyFoxx: | unless an apache exploit that could overcome the htaccess came into play of course |
| [23:56:10] | duerF: | applecrumble, raise the verbosity level ? |
| [23:56:24] | duerF: | applecrumble, for instance "mythbackend -v most" |
| [23:56:47] | pat_: | I use faubackup to make online backups of stuff (backing up the database as instructed by the wiki first) and then once a week write that to a remote machine as tarballs |
| [23:56:53] | duerF: | applecrumble, see if there come any extra suspicious looking messages |
| [23:57:07] | juski: | hads: I'd be totally stupid not to have htaccess at least |
| [23:57:23] | applecrumble: | here my current log output if anyone can spare a minute: http://pastebin.ca/648159 |
| [23:57:26] | juski: | hads: but I have more than that. for one, I don't allow connections from just any ip address |
| [23:57:27] | applecrumble: | i'm stumped |
| [23:57:41] | hads: | juski: Ah, that's better. I thought you meant 'open' |
| [23:57:50] | pat_: | oh, and I use the stable packages, with ubuntu lts so that there aren't really any package upgrades very often |
| [23:58:30] | juski: | hads: there's open and there's *open* |
| [23:58:43] | hads: | Quite :) |
| [23:58:58] | ** hads goes back to work ** | |
| [23:59:02] | duerF: | applecrumble, as I said, raise the verbosity level on the backend |
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