Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, August 5th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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laga:

i'm too afraid of searching bash.org for "uranus". sorry.

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Uranus:

someone put that on bash

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Uranus:

lol

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Uranus:

that's not the nick I was using

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odd:

Hello. I would really like to be able to get Ubuntu up and running on my Philips plasma but I am running into issues.

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juski:

still the best one I've ever seen, and I did almost PMSL, was "a smiley paints a thousand words :)" .. $user kicked.. excess flood

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odd:

It displays durring bootup, I even get a usplash screen, but when it goes to the desktop I get nothing :(

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xris:

odd: your plasma runs linux? (sorry, couldn't resist)

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Uranus:

I don't remember what it was. It was not a normal nick of mine, as I was going in incognito because I was evading a ban

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odd:

haha.

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odd:

:)

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xris:

odd: video card, connection type, etc?

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odd:

ati 9800 aiw pro

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odd:

dvi to hdmi cable

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odd:

Philips 42pf9631d/37 is the model number.

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odd:

I dont wanna use windows for my media pc, so any help you can provide will be most appreciated.

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juski:

laga – an example of the class of 'chick' that frequent the last late night venue I worked. man, no wonder I got so sick of life – http://www.geocities.com/akleisure/pt106.jpg

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Uranus:

how big is your plasma?

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robbins876:

juski, i'd do em

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odd:

42" says the resolution for xga is 1024x768

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odd:

60 hertz vertical refresh rate at maximum resolution

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juski:

robbins876: ENOSTANDARDS

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Uranus:

tell ya what, send me your plasma and I'll get it working for you

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robbins876:

juski, well...low to no, i guess

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juski:

school's out! http://www.geocities.com/akleisure/P7458.jpg

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Aval0n:

anyone here stream hdtv to a 2ndary frontend?

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juski:

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Aval0n:

lol

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robbins876:

is that alaska leisure?

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juski:

the result of generations of in-breeding

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Uranus:

I wonder if a Services Admin would drop this nick for me so I can register it

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Uranus:

the owner hasn't logged in in like a year

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juski:

robbins876: no, A.K. leisure, pwned by one Andrew Kearney, nightclub empresario extraordinaire

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laga:

Uranus: they can do that. read the freenode help

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juski:

robbins876: often easy to spot by the kilo bag of coke he carries around with him

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Uranus:

ok, can do

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laga:

hum. i wonder if i can mount a DVD on this computer, export it via NFS and play it on my frontend. *ponders*

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juski:

laga: prolly

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laga:

juski: i'd guess it will work for DVDs made with mytharchive..

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juski:

omg the very first place I ever DJ'd for money is on facebook

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Uranus:

dj's get mad bitches

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juski:

and stalkers

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Uranus:

well, if they're chicks, it can't be so bad

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juski:

stalkers are only fun for the 1st couple of days

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juski:

oh but it can

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odd:

so xris, any ideas?

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Uranus:

if you're married maybe

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Uranus:

if you're single, it might not be so bad

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juski:

when you realise they've followed you home & left gifts on your doorstep. and phoned your parents to tell them you got her pregnant, when you'd never even been that close..

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juski:

it gets complicated & pretty scary

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Uranus:

haha, I had an ex that did that last part to me

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xris:

odd: sorry, I'm not much good with video stuff like that, esp. with not-good-under-linux ati cards.

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odd:

yea. i know. it was a pain getting compiz-fusion to work too.

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odd:

Ill just have to wait till I finish building the other computer.

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xris:

pretty sure that compiz and mythtv don't get along, either.

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odd:

Nvidia cards better.

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odd:

oh.

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odd:

Well then I would get rid of that then.

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xris:

yeah, nvidia and linux get along MUCH better

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Uranus:

i wanna get that hauppage card

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juski:

Uranus: I came home from work one night, and found a message on my answerphone. went to see my folks – when i got back home there were bottles of milk (?!) on the doorstep. I didn't get milk delivered, and my neighbours hadnt had a delivery either. v. spooky. oh and the bottle tops had been pierced

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xris:

odd: no point in running any fancy window management stuff.. much better to go with something lightweight like xfce or blackbox

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odd:

Thanks for at least offering help.

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Uranus:

that's insane

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odd:

Yea. I was just testing linux out until I finished the computer and I dont think I can go back to windows except to play games.

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juski:

compiz is still considered fairly beta AFAIK

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xris:

juski: yeah. and most people use beryl for that kind of thing, anyway

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Uranus:

juski: u ever figure out what the pierced tops were about?

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juski:

Uranus: no, but I didn't sample the goods

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Uranus:

don't blame ya

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odd:

Have a pleasant day.

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Uranus:

might have had arsenic or something in it

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Uranus:

she might have figured if she couldn't have you, noone else could either

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juski:

it made a train-wreck of my life for a few weeks

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Uranus:

you ever call the cops?

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juski:

yeah

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Uranus:

they do anything?

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juski:

nope

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Uranus:

haha figures

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juski:

they were basically like "so you're a DJ.. and this woman is desperate for ya.. you lucky bastard"

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Uranus:

rofl

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Uranus:

was she hot?

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juski:

pretty much

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Uranus:

should've hit it

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laga:

that could have led to marriage

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laga:

or to a life in hell

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juski:

thing was, her phoning the bar where I worked & pretending to be somebody she wasn't to get my parent's number was a master-stroke

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laga:

ah, department of redundancy department..

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juski:

then phoning them & telling them I'd got her pregnant. that was amazing

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Uranus:

haha...she must have thought on it huh

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Uranus:

what do you reckon she wanted?

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Uranus:

a relationship? sex?

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juski:

way I figured it out was.. I'd got off with her one night after working in the bar – drunken snog etc.. then end of the night I decided just to go home since I worked shifts then. she got scary angry very fast

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Uranus:

lol

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juski:

I was like "phone ya tomorrow", and she flipped

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juski:

I thought I was best off out of that

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Uranus:

yeah most likely

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juski:

forgot about it for a while, and then the weird stuff started

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Uranus:

haha

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Uranus:

typical woman shit

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Uranus:

if there's no drama, they have to create it

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juski:

pfft. there's drama & there's drama

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Uranus:

haha

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juski:

for a lass as attractive as she was to be practically dragging me into a taxi to go home with here, there HAD to be something amiss

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Uranus:

she was probably insane in the membrane

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juski:

duh

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Uranus:

heh

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Uranus:

man, I hope my case gets here monday

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juski:

so yeah.. "yeah all you DJs must get all the women eh?".. yeah.. the facking nut-jobs

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Uranus:

mwahahaha

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juski:

hm.. ENOJACKDANIELS again

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Uranus:

just don't look them in the eyes

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NightMonkey:

Wow, it's a good thing that there's so few women in F/OSS, cause if they were here, they'd sure feel unwelcome here today.

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juski:

NightMonkey: why so? I'm no misongynist ;)

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juski:

misogynist, even

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Uranus:

most women are too busy putting on makeup and trying to marry a rich man to piss with IRC

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NightMonkey:

"Typical woman shit"? What's that?

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Uranus:

the truth

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juski:

most of the women I've seen in OSS circles are way out of my league.. on every level

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juski:

and something often neglected – maybe if there were more women involved in open source, there'd be less arguing & forking of projects :-P

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Uranus:

hahaha

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Uranus:

I doubt it

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juski:

and gentoo wouldn't exist, for sure

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Uranus:

every month there'd be a new fork

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NightMonkey:

Uranus: This isn't just any IRC network. This is Freenode.

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Uranus:

cause they are totally unreasonable when they're on the rag

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juski:

blokes are more bitchy.

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** juski thinks back to the week just gone & all the times he's been needlessly attacked for no apparent reason **

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Uranus:

You ever seen an open source project made by all women?

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juski:

women are smart. they have much better things to do with their time

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juski:

I've lost count of the number of losers I've tried in vain to help

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Uranus:

no, they start shite with each other more often than guys do

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Uranus:

I just left a job of nothing but women

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Uranus:

there was only me and one other guy

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juski:

Uranus: you're making dangerous generalisations there

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Uranus:

and we got along better than the women

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Uranus:

they were always pissed about one or the other of them

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Uranus:

and in a bad mood

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Uranus:

me and him just stuck together and we got along fine

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NightMonkey:

When will this end?

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Uranus:

it's the truth though

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NightMonkey:

http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic

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NightMonkey:

Note the part about "gender-related invective".

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juski:

when I was being insulted during the week I was kinda hoping somebody would bring up the subject of the guy trying to use my sexuality as a personality disorder. nobody did

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Uranus:

you must be a woman

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juski:

I'm not gay, but I'd like to think that people using 'gay' as some kind of slur was something that might've happened in the 20th century, not now

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Uranus:

haha

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juski:

anyway ENOJACKDANIELS

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Uranus:

humanity has been at war with itself since recorded history started

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Uranus:

probably even before then, but we can't realistically know because it wasn't written down

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Uranus:

so, I honestly don't think that's going to change.

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laga:

juski: nbd ("network block device") just made my day. on the server: sudo nbd-server 4000 /dev/scd0 -r; on the client: sudo nbd-client localhost 4000 /dev/nbd0. play dvd: mplayer dvd:///dev/nbd0

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laga:

done!

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laga:

ah, sorry for interrupting yet another "gay" discussion. ;)

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Uranus:

lol

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Uranus:

so you were trying to play a dvd over the network?

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GreyFoxx:

laga: Nice! I'll have to check that out, that can be useful

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laga:

Uranus: yes. i've already set up streaming with vlc, but you can't really seek that way without some additional tricks

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laga:

and i really want to use mythtv's internal player. too lazy to config lirc.

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Uranus:

oh

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NightMonkey:

laga: Wow, very nice.

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juski:

anyway I think all my theme work is safely collated & stashed now

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Uranus:

i can't wait until I get my new computer...

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juski:

not that I'll be able to open .pspimage files in linux but hey

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Uranus:

then i'll be able to use mythtv

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laga:

great! it even works after putting a different DVD in the drive!

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laga:

woohoo :)

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** juski high-fives laga **

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jams:

laga really?

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laga:

jams: seems so.

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jams:

nice

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jams:

might have to give my dvd changer a go

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jams:

well done

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juski:

there's a wiki-able doc there somewhere

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juski:

:-P

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laga:

yeah

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laga:

i should put that in the wiki

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juski:

speaking of which.. when the heck is someone gonna get round to making a dvb-s howto for the wiki?

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laga:

but first: let's see how well it works on a real client

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NightMonkey:

laga: Does "eject /dev/nbd0" work, too?

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laga:

juski: give me some hardware and i'll do it

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Uranus:

he laga

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Uranus:

hey*

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juski:

laga: my sentiment too, surely someone who speaks wiki must use dvb-s somewhere

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Uranus:

would it be possible to stream the same dvd to multiple frontends?

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Uranus:

at the same time

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laga:

NightMonkey: http://pastebin.ca/645868

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Uranus:

so you can have multiple rooms playing the same dvd?

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laga:

Uranus: using vlc: yes.

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Uranus:

badass

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laga:

NightMonkey: you should be able to set up a clever wrapper script using ssh to eject on the server, though

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laga:

Uranus: it's called multicast streaming.

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Uranus:

by vlc you mean videolan

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Uranus:

correct?

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laga:

Uranus: streaming is *really* easy using vlc.

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laga:

yes.

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NightMonkey:

laga: Ah, you might need to force it, with -r or -s.

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Uranus:

ok, just checking

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laga:

NightMonkey: neither -r nor -s are working

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NightMonkey:

And then, if that works, for jams's DVD changer, he could do a "eject -r -c4 /dev/nbd0"

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NightMonkey:

Oh, dang.

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laga:

i got some picture artefacts using vlc, though. maybe the bandwidth is limited..

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laga:

hum. i hope my wlan bandwidth will be sufficient for playing DVDs :(

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Uranus:

jams: what cd changer do you have?

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jams:

sony xl something

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juski:

laga: prolly more to do with it transcoding on the fly – it's rather quick & dirty

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Uranus:

it's a dvd changer?

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jams:

yep

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laga:

juski: i was not transcoding AFAIK

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Uranus:

and you've got it linked to your *nix box?

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NightMonkey:

laga: What version of eject do you have? (eject -V)

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laga:

NightMonkey: 2.1.4

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jams:

yep

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NightMonkey:

laga: Ah, pretty recent. Oh well, thanks for trying. Still, very neat.

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Uranus:

wth....

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laga:

NightMonkey: i guess ejecting is not part of nbd's "block device" abilities ;)

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Uranus:

can you find me a link to what you have or something similar?

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NightMonkey:

laga: Yeah, it would seem so.

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laga:

NightMonkey: google? :)

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laga:

http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/articl . . . l1-01241645/

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laga:

NightMonkey: anyways. a wrapper script should fix it.

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Uranus:

ty

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NightMonkey:

laga: http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list . . . sg01604.html <- it would seem to be a long-standing problem...

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Uranus:

jesus christ...you spent $2,000 on yours?

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Uranus:

share the wealth

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Uranus:

I'll pay you back $150/month

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Uranus:

lol

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juski:

that's precisely why I have a donate button on my webshite

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NightMonkey:

Damn you, laga. Now I have to go and try nbd out, too. ;)

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Uranus:

well, if I could ever get my site the way I want it

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Uranus:

I'd have a donate button too

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juski:

and what have you ever brought to mythtv? ;)

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Uranus:

oh, it has nothing to do with mythtv

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juski:

actually when all is said & done though, I think it'd be awesome to be able to donate properly to this project

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juski:

never mind crappy bounties

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laga:

hum. mplayer works with nbd, but xine and mythtv don't.

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juski:

that said, by far the most valuable thing anybody can give away is their time :D

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laga:

NightMonkey: :)

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Uranus:

haha

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Uranus:

true that

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Uranus:

70.233.144.127

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juski:

even working out all the donations I've had from my site as an hourly rate, I've made way less than $0.20 per hour spent on themes

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Uranus:

http://70.233.144.127

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Uranus:

shitty

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laga:

NightMonkey: PM ok?

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Uranus:

donations don't pay well

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Uranus:

lol

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NightMonkey:

laga: Sure.

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Uranus:

people won't pony up

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juski:

truth is though – the stuff you can pay good money for, isn't as good as this

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Uranus:

you have to charge people for your stuff

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juski:

charging people for downloads is no use – somebody'd just host my themes somewhere else

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Uranus:

possibly

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juski:

you can't really put in registration crap in OSS

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Uranus:

however, then you'd have an IP lawsuit.

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Uranus:

IP=intellectual property

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Uranus:

how much donations have you received in total?

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mishehu:

I still don't understand how knowledge can be property

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mishehu:

property is something that is tangible. knowledge is intangible.

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Uranus:

buy a textbook for college. Then you'll understand

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juski:

Uranus: more than $200 that's all I'll say

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mishehu:

Uranus: that's just the dummy tax.

[01:03:38]

jams:

Uranus- no i didn't pay list for the thing

[01:03:40]

Uranus:

has it been worth it?

[01:03:51]

Uranus:

well, you HAVE to have them

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juski:

Uranus: for me yes it has

[01:04:00]

Uranus:

well, good then.

[01:04:07]

Uranus:

as long as your happy, that's all that matters

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mishehu:

Uranus: depends. some classes I was able to make it by without the book.

[01:04:19]

Uranus:

true

[01:04:28]

Uranus:

I could have too

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juski:

the bits of maintenance I do on stuff I don't use – they're really out of liking the warm fuzzy feeling

[01:04:38]

Uranus:

but it was hard to discern whether I'd need it or not beforehand

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jams:

juski- really? maybe i should work a bit harder to get that paypal button working

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mishehu:

Uranus: but textbooks are not sold according to the knowledge in them. they are sold according to the amount of labor that went into producing them and the amount they think they can get away with charging.

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jams:

spent 10 minutes on it, and got bored with it

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Uranus:

juski: you have any adsense or anything?

[01:05:23]

juski:

jams: yeh – the way I figure it is – it's better than a kick in the teeth with a blunt spoon ;)

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juski:

Uranus: yeah – sweet FA so far

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Uranus:

:D

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Uranus:

I guess you're right mishehu

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jams:

i doubt my themes are worth the paypal..but if mythvantage is released it might be worthwhile to have a ppal button.

[01:07:24]

juski:

jams: even if one person donates $20 it's worth the time putting a button on there ;)

[01:07:27]

jams:

With the disclaimer that donations are not support contracts

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jams:

heck i have donated to several projects, flyspray being the latest

[01:08:26]

juski:

I've donated to mythtvtalk.com, and minimyth

[01:08:28]

Uranus:

everything has a disclaimer or warning label these days

[01:08:46]

juski:

no more donating to mythtvtalk.com. for sure

[01:08:52]

jams:

heh

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Uranus:

like my lighter has this big warning label to keep away from children and don't ignite it next to flammable materials or clothing. I thought, duh.

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juski:

it can go to the wall & it'll be the lazy ungrateful users' fault

[01:09:17]

jams:

welcome Anduin

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jams:

ah well back to my hardware info/submission plugin

[01:10:24]

Uranus:

why no donations to them anymore?

[01:10:44]

Uranus:

they not around?

[01:10:45]

juski:

Uranus: because I stopped getting the warm fuzzy feeling from helping people on there a long time ago

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Uranus:

oh

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juski:

people so rarely even say 'thanks' ffs

[01:11:17]

Uranus:

haha

[01:11:23]

juski:

ungrateful cretins

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Uranus:

well tank u juski

[01:11:37]

Uranus:

u helpered me out ealier

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jams:

and you still screwed it up

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Uranus:

:-(

[01:12:40]

Uranus:

no hablo ingles

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Uranus:

muchas gracias amigo

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** juski listens to "nowthatswhatIcalltheshit_volume_two.mp3" again **

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Uranus:

estoy muy contento

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Uranus:

nein, wunderbar

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Uranus:

Ich bin wunderbar

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juski:

Uranus: could be worse. you could have said "Ich bin Klaus Wunderlich"

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juski:

:-P

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Uranus:

lol

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Uranus:

sheist

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Uranus:

which language is this word from: nunca ?

[01:20:47]

Uranus:

can't remember

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Uranus:

sounds spanish

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Uranus:

although, I guess it could be german

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Uranus:

Das gut?

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Uranus:

donde es la mota?

[01:24:04]

Uranus:

my foreign language > u ;)

[01:24:23]

Uranus:

I can speak a little bit of 3 languages

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Uranus:

beat that euro trash!

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Uranus:

haha

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juski:

c'est plus tard. je retir en ma couche

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juski:

bon nuit!

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Uranus:

french?

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Uranus:

why?

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mchou:

!seen ShockValue

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MythLogBot:

ShockValue was last seen 2 hours 42 minutes 2 seconds ago

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Beirdo:

why not?

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Uranus:

touche

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mchou:

!seen ShockValue

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MythLogBot:

ShockValue was last seen 2 hours 42 minutes 28 seconds ago

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Uranus:

well peace out juski

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Beirdo:

!seen doofus

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MythLogBot:

doofus has not been seen here

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Uranus:

!seen asscrack

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MythLogBot:

asscrack has not been seen here

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Uranus:

I bet it has, you're just not looking in the right place MythLogBot

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Beirdo:

.....

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jams:

no need to be vulgar just for the sake of it

[01:26:51]

Uranus:

it's fun though

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Beirdo:

if yer in grade 6

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Uranus:

oh you guys are so mature......

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laga:

euro trash? bah

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Beirdo:

let's not feed the troll

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laga:

GreyFoxx: FYI: nbd does not support various ioctls.. i dunno why DVD playback works nevertheless ;)

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Uranus:

hehe I was just playin

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Beirdo:

hmmm, what companies make mason jars....

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Uranus:

you'll always be cool though laga, you're from germany

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Uranus:

dope cooks

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Beirdo:

uh huh. whatever

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Beirdo:

wanna make jam, but not sure where to get the jars :)

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mchou:

Beirdo: huh? they don't sell canning jars at grocery stores in PR?

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mchou:

virtually every grocery store has them in CA

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Beirdo:

haven't seen em yet, but the season's not QUITE hear

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Beirdo:

here even

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Beirdo:

yeah, I know, same in Canada

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mchou:

weird

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Beirdo:

I'm hoping Sams or Costco gets some :)

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Beirdo:

I'll keep my eyes open though, of course

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mchou:

maybe PR doesnt need to can cause they always have fresh stuff :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

possibly

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Beirdo:

but I wanna make jam! :)

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mchou:

jam's overrated

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Beirdo:

bah :)

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Beirdo:

sugar + fruit. yum

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mchou:

bah, I'm gonna eat some fresh fruit right now

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mchou:

these plums are to die for

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mchou:

too bad my hands are dirty greasemonkeying in the garage

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|Torg|:

does anyone know of any good ways to cache php, precompile it, or in any other way speed up processing?

[01:43:27]

lk167:

HI folks

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lk167:

Perhaps I'm blind, but how does one add music to the MythMusic library or where does the "scan for music" option scan?

[01:47:31]

Anduin:

lk167: Setup -> Music Settings -> General -> Directory to hold music

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lk167:

Anduin: Thank you :)

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NightMonkey:

|Torg|: eAccelerator

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NightMonkey:

|Torg|: And don't give it so much RAM that the machine starts swapping. ;)

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|Torg|:

ok I already upped it to 32M gave it timeouts of 120 instead of 60 and often time it goes over that, mostly from mysql competing with php4-cgi

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NightMonkey:

|Torg|: Try eAccelerator.

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|Torg|:

im getting it now :)

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armbar:

hello

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NightMonkey:

|Torg|: Do you have PHP as a web server module, or as a CGI?

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|Torg|:

cgi

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NightMonkey:

|Torg|: I *think* you'll want to have it as a module, at least if your intent is for MythWeb.

[01:59:14]

|Torg|:

I belive mythweb is calling CGI objects and invoking it via its congfig

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|Torg|:

unless there is some way to make it default to the module instead

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laga:

i believe mythweb doesn't really care if php is run as module or in php mode

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|Torg|:

well in that case I have both loaded and it defaults to php-cgi

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NightMonkey:

laga: But, for his purposes (speed), doesn't having it load as a module reduce the rampup time over CGI?

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|Torg|:

its in the included config files, unless you know of a way to force it to use the module instead

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NightMonkey:

Hrm.

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laga:

NightMonkey: module should be faster

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|Torg|:

ok so how do I make apache2 use the module instead of the external php-cgi?

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NightMonkey:

|Torg|: That's kinda distro-dependent.

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|Torg|:

ok any sources on how to do it in Debian?

[02:06:14]

NightMonkey:

|Torg|: #debian?

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|Torg|:

I was thinking more like web page, but thanks

[02:07:35]

NightMonkey:

|Torg|: Put on your flame-retardant suit before going into #debian, though... ;)

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laga:

Beirdo: do you know iscsi supports custom ioctls? eg can i use it to play a DVD over the network?

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|Torg|:

I would think its less distro dependent then php and apache version depedant

[02:08:38]

Beirdo:

laga, dunno, but it doesn't seem like it

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NightMonkey:

|Torg|: However they do it, they need to start apache with "-D PHP4" (in your case). In Gentoo, thats in /etc/conf.d/apache2. Debian, I dunno.

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|Torg|:

invoking apache with -D PHP4 still does not make it use the module

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|Torg|:

I suspect that is becase mythweb.php implictly creates a cgi object

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tcpsyn:

is anyone in boston?

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NightMonkey:

|Torg|: I don't see anything in the code that would indicate that – where'd you see that?

[02:21:23]

|Torg|:

its in the perl part

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|Torg|:

also the conf file calls it as a handler

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NightMonkey:

|Torg|: In mythweb.php? You running 0.20.1?

[02:22:00]

|Torg|:

in mythweb.pl

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JeffATL:

i have a compact-case machine with an S3 VT8375 ProSavage8 KM261/KL266 video on the mobo – there appears to be an s-video out on the back. is there any reason why i can't go ahead and use that for vid output?

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|Torg|:

what happend when you tried to use it?

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JeffATL:

perhaps using knoppmyth to make an initial xorg.conf for me?

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JeffATL:

|Torg|: i haven't attempted it yet

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|Torg|:

use the via driver in X, tell it to use the ActiveDevice as TC and to use TVOutput as S-Video

[02:32:34]

|Torg|:

you can google those values and see how it should look in your config file

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JeffATL:

|Torg|: perhaps use knoppmyth to generate an initial xorg.conf?

[02:32:51]

|Torg|:

and sorry set the ActiveDevice to TV

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|Torg|:

use X to build it

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|Torg|:

but I dount it will insert the options for you

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|Torg|:

its X -configure

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laga:

GreyFoxx: enbd seems to better than nbd. i *believe* it can support ioctls.. it can't get it to compile, though :)

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egsavage:

Anyone around with inside knowledge of the schedulesdirect.org work? I had a quick question about the solution... What versions of mythtv will be the target? In other words, if I'm running an old version (v 0.18), will I have to upgrade or will the solution still work with the old schema for messages and I can just redirect to a new server?

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jams:

egsavage- no inside knowlege but I suspect it will only be apply to .20-fixes and trunk

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|Torg|:

the schema will probly not change its in XML format

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egsavage:

i was hoping that wasn't the case... but that would give me an excuse to upgrade, just more hassle then I'm looking for this month

[02:51:55]

|Torg|:

what will change is the URL, and its associated information (like login and password)

[02:52:13]

egsavage:

Torg: then v 0.18 would work with it then?

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|Torg|:

im guessing, I would think so

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jams:

|Torg|- correct..but that would require code changes for .18

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|Torg|:

you wil have to add a patch to it however

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egsavage:

that would be preferrable

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egsavage:

then i can buy some time to upgrade later

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egsavage:

sure, i can handle the other stuff, just now time for a larger upgrade

[02:53:08]

egsavage:

now->no

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|Torg|:

you have to change it so you have the options of chosing a new xml server for you listings

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|Torg|:

personally I just let my cards all scan EIT, but then I use ATSC cards and its already brodcast. Just not in the length I would like

[02:54:01]

egsavage:

sounds like we'll have some type of xmltv proxy for the feeds? ... or maybe i'm digging too deep into the solution

[02:56:28]

egsavage:

so v 0.18 is a definite possible working solution? Or should I start on a v 0.20 box now since the solution won't work? Hoping someone "in the know" can address that

[02:56:44]

egsavage:

And so I can keep the wife happy ;-)

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|Torg|:

whats so difficult about upgrading to .20?

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egsavage:

prob not much, but my OS is so old on that box, that if i go to 0.20, I was thinking of changing the OS too – it's an old FC3 box

[02:58:03]

egsavage:

but I could just upgrade myth, but not sure what driver issues i may hit

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|Torg|:

myth dosnt realy on distro it relies on software

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|Torg|:

as long as your hardware works, as long as you can upgrade things like mysql, php, and some libs

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egsavage:

understood, but i think my FC3 box is hosed in the package database ... evertime i try to install or upgrade something, it doesn't work quite well... thus the rebuild issue

[02:59:13]

|Torg|:

about the only reay thing that woudl stop you is if you needed some hardware driver that wasnt availbel untill say a 2.6.x kernel release

[02:59:33]

|Torg|:

but if its working now simply download the source code and go compile it

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tcpsyn:

I just plugged my cable directly into my tv to see what hd channels I'd get...

[03:00:02]

tcpsyn:

I got to say, it's not very impressive.

[03:00:09]

tcpsyn:

I was expecting to be wowed by hd.

[03:00:25]

tcpsyn:

It's no better looking than some of the stronger 480i channels.

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|Torg|:

your tv has a digital cable tuner in it?

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tcpsyn:

neither the 720p or 1080i

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tcpsyn:

yeah

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tcpsyn:

It does

[03:01:03]

tcpsyn:

Digital channels look nicer than analog ones.

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JeffATL:

tcpsyn: you do realize, don't you, that various shows on a different HD channel are at different resolutions?

[03:01:28]

tcpsyn:

various shows are?

[03:01:31]

tcpsyn:

no, I didn't realize that.

[03:01:35]

|Torg|:

various chanels are

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JeffATL:

tcpsyn: yes

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|Torg|:

sorta depends on your provider too

[03:01:49]

tcpsyn:

I knew channels were, the tv tells me.

[03:01:50]

|Torg|:

try your PBS station

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JeffATL:

tcpsyn: various shows on any one channel

[03:02:01]

tcpsyn:

That makes me feel a little better.

[03:02:12]

tcpsyn:

and the different channels need different overscan and whatnot

[03:02:18]

tcpsyn:

I hope myth takes care of that for me.

[03:02:23]

fryfrog:

tcpsyn: well, you gotta a) make sure you are on an HD channel and b) that it is an HD show *ON* at the time

[03:02:23]

|Torg|:

JeffATL that isnt necessarily true, mine are always in teh same resoltuoin, even when they put on commericals

[03:02:40]

tcpsyn:

fryfrog, I thought hd channels only showed hd shows.

[03:02:48]

tcpsyn:

I just went through all the channels, maybe nothing HD is on.

[03:02:54]

|Torg|:

I get SD encapsulated into 720P, but its still digital and still looks like hell

[03:02:58]

JeffATL:

tcpsyn: i just got a new 42" lcd and i had it up for a couple days before i got it to autoscan for both ntsc and atsc and i didn't really see the tv go all-out until leno came on

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tcpsyn:

cool.

[03:03:19]

tcpsyn:

It scanned all the channels fine.

[03:03:31]

tcpsyn:

All I'm concerned with really is fox and cbs.

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JeffATL:

but this tv's a/d conversion for ntsc is really pretty lousy

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|Torg|:

during the day you can try a few ABC programs but mostly the ones who bcast all day (well most of it) in HD is PBS

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|Torg|:

its what I use to test with

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tcpsyn:

This test was just to see what unencrypted hd channels I get.

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|Torg|:

I really coudl care less about Clifford the Big Red Dog, but its in HD

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fryfrog:

tcpsyn: During non-prime time, most shows are *not* HD (though the channel may be broadcasting in HD)

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tcpsyn:

I'll mess with it more when I get my pchdtv5500

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fryfrog:

you just need to find a show that is on *now* and is in HD

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tcpsyn:

I just bought one on ebay

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|Torg|:

yes fryfrog, at least here they letterbox the non HD into a HD stream

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|Torg|:

the usual clue is the presence of AC3, but I have seen commericals in SD with AC3 sound that was 2 channel

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|Torg|:

my conspiracy side thinks its the bcast companies trying to fool commerical detection

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tcpsyn:

I gotta say, I'm a little scared of the pchdtv card installation

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tcpsyn:

It looks like a real pain in the ass.

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|Torg|:

why is that?

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tcpsyn:

because I'm going to have one analog card and one digital card.. I've got to not record the analog stations that have digital counterparts, set preferred cards for preferred channels

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tcpsyn:

and all that jazz

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|Torg|:

set your schdules for "only on blahDT"

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|Torg|:

all mine are set that way

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tcpsyn:

don't know what you mean.

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tcpsyn:

blahdt?

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|Torg|:

on your recording shcelue is an option to record every time on a certain channel

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tcpsyn:

you mean set each show to a tuner instead of each channel

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tcpsyn:

?

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|Torg|:

so say I am recording Law and Order, I dont want the reruns on bravo or whatever I ONLY want them on my locally bcast ATSC

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tcpsyn:

yep.

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tcpsyn:

Oh, yeah.

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|Torg|:

so its set to record ONLY on my local ATSC channel which happens to be XXXXDT

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|Torg|:

where DT is a note that the bcasters (and DD put) on the channel

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|Torg|:

I have quite a few channels like that where there XXXX, XXXXDT, XXXXDT2, XXXXDT3

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JeffATL:

you know what? when disney channel is running a typical 2D cartoon (i.e., emperor's), i see what looks like compression artifacts in black lines that are in translation from frame to frame

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|Torg|:

most of my channels have multiple pids on them

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|Torg|:

im sorry its XXXX-DT but you get the idea

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tcpsyn:

yeah.

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tcpsyn:

I guess I could just delete the analog duplicate channels from the database too...

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tcpsyn:

so it doesn't even look at them

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|Torg|:

I tryed that but they keep comming back :)

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JeffATL:

this is just on the new LCD TV – not apropos to mythtv

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tcpsyn:

the disney thing?

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|Torg|:

JeffATL I have seen artifact, failed compression, flipping of frame rates, and all kinds of nastiness on my HDTV channels

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|Torg|:

its sorta like they watch the analog and HDTV is an afterthought

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|Torg|:

that and ALLOT of older stuff, espcially cartoons were recorded in SD formar

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|Torg|:

so you would need an HD source to brodcast from, otherwise you see all the mistakes in encoding

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JeffATL:

|Torg|: this is non-hdtv, right off teh cable

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JeffATL:

the

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|Torg|:

thats especially true of DVDs too

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|Torg|:

right off the cable, or in my case right out of the air

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JeffATL:

i think it's because the set has really cheap a/d and interpolation

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|Torg|:

look at the darker sections, espcially the blacks you can see banding

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JeffATL:

then again, it may be that the lcd's ability to react is limited

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|Torg|:

I have recording that are stright mpeg2 taken without any transcodig

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|Torg|:

the artifact is there regardless of what I watch it on, its in the soruce

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tcpsyn:

if I play a dvd in myth...

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tcpsyn:

and output it to my tv

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tcpsyn:

that's upscaling right.

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tcpsyn:

why the hell would people buy those dvd players.

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JeffATL:

does mythtv currently have any good way to "import" loose MPGs and put them in the library just like recorded shows?

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|Torg|:

like yuour home videos you encoded?

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tcpsyn:

I think mytharchive will do it.

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tcpsyn:

I know that was a key part of linuxmce

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|Torg|:

its called /myth/video just put it in the directory

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JeffATL:

|Torg|: yes

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|Torg|:

you go into the same place you watch recordings only its one option down (at least for my theme)

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tcpsyn:

you have to have mythvideo installed

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|Torg|:

I can put avis, mpegs, and quicktime in there

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|Torg|:

yes tcpsyn, sorry I forgot that part. its just second nature I compile them

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|Torg|:

I havnt actualy se options on my compiles in about 6 months now

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JeffATL:

i'm about to start building a mythtv rig again – i succeeded once before – i thought i would split up frontend and backend but the compact box that i was going to use as frontend is the fastest of any of the machines i have avaiable for backend, save an AMD64x2

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tcpsyn:

the backend doesn't need much power.

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|Torg|:

whats wrong with that JeffATL, unless you are using alot of SD cards

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tcpsyn:

you want more torque on the front.

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|Torg|:

my BE is an AMD 1500, but my FE and slave backendas are AND 3800 and a 3500 respectivly

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|Torg|:

my FE is actually the fastest of all the machines

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JeffATL:

i was told here that the backend needs the most unf

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|Torg|:

not unless you are encoding mpeg on it

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JeffATL:

i might be at that

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|Torg|:

I run two ATSC DVB cards and do raid5 calculations on mine

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|Torg|:

unless I try to run mythweb queries the cpu never goes over 5 %

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JeffATL:

but my input card does hardware encoding

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JeffATL:

i dunno – to split front/backends, the back end would have to be at the ebd of a long coax cable run

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|Torg|:

that or run the cable to wherever your backends are

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ShockValue:

i made the mistake of making my backend the fastest machine.. now my frontend wont cut it for HD

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|Torg|:

mine come out in my office, the BEs are acorss the house from the TV

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ShockValue:

but if you have no plans for HD, then make your backend the strongest

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|Torg|:

if you want to run HD, put the fastest CPU in the FE, and put an NVidia card in for xvmc

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|Torg|:

if you can work it put your TV into an interlaced mode (mine is in 1080I) and dont deinterlace

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ShockValue:

yeah, HD is very CPU entensive. xvmc helps a bit, but dont count on it saving you from a slow machine

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|Torg|:

I woudlnt say very, mine used about 20% X and 40% mythfrontend, out of a dual core 3gz machine

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|Torg|:

I coudl have easily rin that on my AMD 3800 and maybe even got that out of my AMD 1500

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ShockValue:

mine pegs a 2.8ghz p4 (no HT or Dual) .. i cant watch it with interlacing

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tcpsyn:

I don't think I can set the mode directly on the tv.... can I do that from xorg.conf?

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|Torg|:

I dont deinterlace either, it would push mythfrontend into the 80–90 range sometimes going to full cpu

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|Torg|:

tcpsyn what do you mean set it directly, yes you do it in your xorg.conf

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tcpsyn:

I thought you were saying to set the tv to interlacing within the tv setup menu

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|Torg|:

I set the modeline in my X cofnig to 1080I

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|Torg|:

I set the output to send that modeline

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|Torg|:

my TV can display it, there is no setup on the TV

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|Torg|:

it is in fact simply a monitor

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tcpsyn:

and turn of interlacing in mythfrontend

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tcpsyn:

I dig.

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|Torg|:

yes in the settings I turned off deinterlacing and set it to use xvmc

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|Torg|:

its been a while since I did, I can look up the specific place to do it, although today I simply edit the settings table directly

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tcpsyn:

all my shits sd now, but by mid next week... I should be rocking hd.

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|Torg|:

all myth knows is its a 1920x1080 resolution

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|Torg|:

all X knows is its a modeline I called ATSC-1080i-60

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|Torg|:

that modeline has timings for my TV as a 1920x1080 screen and is interlaced

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|Torg|:

the interlaced is a display/X thing, not a myth thing

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|Torg|:

myth is just told not to deinterlace the video

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JeffATL:

wow, that's one thing i'm going to have to work out – xorg specs for new lcd tv

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tcpsyn:

yeah

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tcpsyn:

my manual sucks.

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|Torg|:

what model is the TV and I can give you mine to start with

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tcpsyn:

all it says is recommended resolution 1366x730

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tcpsyn:

westinghouse 32"

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|Torg|:

whats the native resolution?

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ShockValue:

recommended is probably native, i would assume

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|Torg|:

1366x730 isnt a standard resolution

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tcpsyn:

760

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tcpsyn:

typo

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|Torg|:

its close to, but a differnt ratio then 1280x720 which is 720P/I

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tcpsyn:

yup.

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tcpsyn:

but, that's the recommended.

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tcpsyn:

thats what the manual says

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tcpsyn:

and it doesn't have any timings or vert/horiz sync rates

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|Torg|:

how do you connect it to your video card?

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tcpsyn:

right now I'm just using vga, I ordered a dvi->hdmi cable

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tcpsyn:

should be here tuesday

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|Torg|:

it *should* have EDID

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tcpsyn:

doesn't get sensed over vga

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|Torg|:

EDID will spit out what modelines and such it uses

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|Torg|:

no it has to be a digital connection

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tcpsyn:

ah

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tcpsyn:

well, we'll see.

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tcpsyn:

I'll figure it out

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|Torg|:

not vga, not composite, not anything but HDMI or DVI

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tcpsyn:

just got to wait for the cable

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|Torg|:

why did you order it, why not get one locally?

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tcpsyn:

and the hd card.

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tcpsyn:

because getting one locally is $50 and ordering one is $12.

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|Torg|:

ahh mine was like $28

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tcpsyn:

I need 15ft.

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|Torg|:

mine is 25

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tcpsyn:

no shit

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tcpsyn:

where

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|Torg|:

from fry's

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tcpsyn:

only got best buy around here

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tcpsyn:

the rapists.

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|Torg|:

its an offbrrand cable of course, makes no differnce

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tcpsyn:

right.

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tcpsyn:

I just got one from newegg

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JeffATL:

i do not think my tuner card can do HD

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|Torg|:

I also have a 10' monster cable I think I paied like $150 for, its too short and has exactly the same picture

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tcpsyn:

I spent 4 hours last week wondering why I couldn't get over 1024x768 from composite

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|Torg|:

most cards can do HD

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tcpsyn:

that sucked.

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tcpsyn:

record hd.

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|Torg|:

its the framerate thats bad

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|Torg|:

ahh, sorry I was stuck on video out

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tcpsyn:

heh.

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tcpsyn:

dvd's look awesome.

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|Torg|:

dvd's SUCK

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tcpsyn:

Imma have to disagree.

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|Torg|:

epscialy since there not HD and not blueray DVDs

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|Torg|:

I can see every damn encoding mistake, all the bandwith the distortion

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tcpsyn:

they still look awesome

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|Torg|:

oh they look 100x better then on my 32" CRT TV, but they still suck

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tcpsyn:

right.

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tcpsyn:

I'm coming from a 22" crt.

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tcpsyn:

to a 32" lcd.

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tcpsyn:

big difference.

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tcpsyn:

Gotta rock some Jack Bauer on this bitch.

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tcpsyn:

Jack's been confined to 22" sd.

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tcpsyn:

it's just not right.

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tcpsyn:

ITS WRONG!

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|Torg|:

where do you get your HD from, cable or bcast?

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tcpsyn:

cable

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|Torg|:

you may find a whole differnt set of problems from that cable

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tcpsyn:

fantastic

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|Torg|:

my own expericane with digital cable is why I run ATSC

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|Torg|:

they tend to manipluate the streams and rob bits from them, to save on cable bandwidth

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|Torg|:

happens more with sattalite then cable, but they still do it

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|Torg|:

all my digital cable was in 720P even tho the local PBS station bcasts in 1080

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|Torg|:

also you will see the satleite companies rob bits from the chanels to give to PPV

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tcpsyn:

I just verified on the tv that the 1080 stuff is 1080 and the 720 stuff is 720

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|Torg|:

with a larger ditial TV you WILL see the artifacts and differnces, belive me

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|Torg|:

from the cable company?

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tcpsyn:

yea

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tcpsyn:

comcast

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|Torg|:

yoru luckier then me then

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tcpsyn:

we'll see how lucky I am

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tcpsyn:

when the card gets here.

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tcpsyn:

alright folks.

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tcpsyn:

I've got to crash.

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tcpsyn:

I've got a long day of hacking solaris boxes tomorrow.

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|Torg|:

my cable company chargin me extra for HD and extra for the DVR is the reaosn WHY i built my mythtv systems and put in ATSC cards

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tcpsyn:

I'm only getting the broadcast stations in HD

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|Torg|:

my nigher came and asked what that thing was on my roof, I told him it was a TV antenna. He reminded me we had cable so I showed him what he could get for free

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tcpsyn:

I'm not paying extra for anything

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|Torg|:

now 5 of my neioghers have tv antennas and HD tvs

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tcpsyn:

hehe

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tcpsyn:

Too many trees around here

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JeffATL:

i think the card is a pvr 150

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ShockValue:

at least you can get HD.. last month my cable co encrypted everything on the firewire line.. even PBS etc

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tcpsyn:

jeffatl, you're not getting hd on that.

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tcpsyn:

I have 2 of them.

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JeffATL:

tcpsyn: ok, it'll have to do

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|Torg|:

ShockValue thats not encrypted it watch once technolgy :P

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tcpsyn:

awesome little inexpensive card.

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tcpsyn:

night.

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ShockValue:

well, AFAIK, its not legal to add that to a PBS broadcast

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|Torg|:

its agaisnt FCC reguations to encrypt local statsion, and yes my cable comany does it too

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ShockValue:

ive been going round and round with them.. but they are so frigging clueless.. all they know is "dont let this guy talk to anyone who has a clue and I'll get my paycheck"

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|Torg|:

go to antennaweb and plug in your address, see what you can get with an antenna

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ShockValue:

ive already tried that route.. i dont get crap

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ShockValue:

i'm 10 miles from the local stations.. unfortunatly there's a big island in my way

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|Torg|:

ouch then your stuck with what the cable company wants to rape you....err sell you with

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|Torg|:

tower?

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

<rant> |Torg|, it's not like tv is a requirement for life or anything. it's just entertainment and if you don't want to pay it, then don't. Bitching bout the price doesn't help or affect anyone, nor does blowing it out of proportion by calling it rape or the like.</rant>

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|Torg|:

its not about price kormoc, its about the cable companies trying to railroad the consumers and lying to the FCC about what they do

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kormoc:

if the customers cared, they wouldn't pay the price. again, it's not like food or water

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|Torg|:

I never claimed it to be essential, just that you do not necessarily have to play the cable companies game

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|Torg|:

they act like there the only way to get HDTV, thats a lie

[04:08:44]

|Torg|:

they act like HDTV is a big deal, thats a lie

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|Torg|:

they act the way the chose to, not the way they are reguated to, nor the way they agreed to

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|Torg|:

of course I can only speak about Comcast in my local area

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kormoc:

so what? it doesn't matter in the least and saying it's like being raped is just... gah...

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JeffATL:

yes, i called comcast and the guy was unable to tell me jack shit about hdtv issues – i started by asking if they sent ATSC to us (as the set only has an atsc tuner, not qam) – he had no idea what atsc was

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JeffATL:

had no idea what ntsc was

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|Torg|:

they dont send you ATSC, they send QAM

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JeffATL:

|Torg|: beg to differ – tv has no qam tuner

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Anduin:

JeffATL: cable box?

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JeffATL:

Anduin:

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JeffATL:

Anduin: no

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JeffATL:

Anduin: my understanding is that their box would perhaps turn the over-the-cable hd in qam into atsc for all the non-OTA chans, but the OTA chans are coming in in atsc

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mchou:

|Torg|: where do you live, and who is your cableco provider (wondering who is encrypting local stations)?

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fraser:

hi. i don't want to get channel listings, i am only trying to use mythtv to play a console through my composite jack, but everytime i open mythtv it tells me i need to input server details

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xris:

fraser: mythtv == tv... tv usually needs channels

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fraser:

xris, so it doesn't support composite input like tvtime?

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xris:

sure it does.

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fraser:

"You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address." that was the error i got

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xris:

you still have to configure a virtual channel for it.

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xris:

you said console.. that to me is "video game"

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mchou:

fraser: myth supports composite. but then you'd just use tvtime :)

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xris:

and that doesn't work with mythtv. the lag is too much

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fraser:

xris, correct

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fraser:

mchou, i'm not sure if it's TVtime's fault or something else, but it seems like the best telesvision standard for me is pal-nc, and even then the video quality is very low and it's black and white.

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fraser:

xris, okay thanks for the hint

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mchou:

fraser: what capture card?

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xris:

fraser: mythtv encodes everything it records/plays... that takes time. even hardware encoder cards have a half-second or so delay at the least.

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fraser:

mchou, just a tic i'll get the box. i don't remember it's name it worked immediately when i plugged it in. i think it's a bttv chip though or something if that means anything to you

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fraser:

mchou, gtg thanks for trying

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mchou:

fraser: lol, almost all capture cards are bttv except pvr150

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fraser:

mchou, oh okay then

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fraser:

mchou, so i am able to get a signal for both TV and composite

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mchou:

fraser: and?

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mchou:

I mean you're supposed to. so what?

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fraser:

mchou, well to me that means there must be some kinda driver support already installed, so drivers aren't the problem

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fraser:

it must be a) config or b)software

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mchou:

driver needs proper config :)

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fraser:

and as i doubt it is software that means it's just the configuration, but the config options for tvtime are limited so it must be for the actual card

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fraser:

mchou, yes this is my conclusion also

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fraser:

mchou, seeing as this is not strictly a mythtv issue, are you still willing to help?

[04:58:55]

mchou:

depends how interesting the problem is

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mchou:

iow, ymmv :)

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mchou:

stupid openwrt

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mchou:

there hasn't been once where firmware upgrade has gone uneventfully

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mchou:

really pissing me off

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mchou:

last time I almost bricked my router

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mishehu:

man I'm sooooooooo out of it... this baby is just sucking the life out of me. I've not evne had time to check on the options for alternatives to the soon-defunct zap2it...

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mishehu:

oh, I see you guys are working on a solution

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pretender:

can anyone help with a mythtv problem where the sound cuts out every couuple of seconds

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pretender:

can anyone help with a mythtv problem where the sound cuts out every couple of seconds

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pretender:

can anyone help with a mythtv problem where the sound cuts out every couuple of seconds

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ectospasm:

pretender: lurk a bit, someone will answer

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pretender:

audio and video remain synced though

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pretender:

what do you mean lurk i have only just stated using irc and xchat

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tank-man:

he means everyone isnt at their pc's right now

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pretender:

ok

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Tanthrix:

pretender: What do you see in the terminal window when this happens?

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ectospasm:

pretender: so stick around a while, someone may answer you when you're not expecting it

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pretender:

see in the terminal window when what happens

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pretender:

Anyone out there from Australia

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pretender:

my mythtv recordings sound stops every 10 second or so. how can this be fixed. my specs sempron 3000+ 512 ram nvidea 5200 huappage 150

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robbins876:

Anyone know how to enable subtitles from a .sub file with the Internal player on a divx?

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pretender:

anyone out there from Australia

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k-man__:

i just added a pci ide controller card to my system, but it shoved all my existind drives from /dev/hd[a-d] to /dev/hd[e-h]

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k-man__:

is that normal?

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Anduin:

k-man__: It isn't abnormal

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k-man__:

Anduin, is there anything i can do to prevent it? i tried adding the ide=reverse to the boot command line, but that didn't solve it

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tripppy:

k-man__, try another PCI slot.

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k-man__:

hmm

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k-man__:

not a bad idea

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k-man__:

ill give that a go

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k-man__:

thanks tripppy

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Anduin:

You can occasionally reverse the order in the BIOS as well

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Dagmar:

Usually PCI cards will have a jumper to punt them to being tertiary and quaternay interfaces

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Dagmar:

er quaternary

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SiD3WiNDR:

Dagmar: really? I've got 6 of these thingies lying around and none has any jumpers :)

[11:02:17]

** juski knites SiD3WiNDR's cards some jumpers **

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juski:

s/knites/knits

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Dagmar:

SiD3WiNDR : Yeah, but are they all different vendors and mod3ls?

[11:03:10]

SiD3WiNDR:

some yup

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SiD3WiNDR:

but I'd say it depends on the motherboard and in which order it inits onboard vs pci

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Dagmar:

Either way, if the controllers are doing that, it just means someone's going to have to edit their /etc/fstab, or move the drives (or use some arcane lilo remappery)

[11:04:20]

SiD3WiNDR:

I'd say move the drives, heh

[11:04:50]

Dagmar:

Yep. Me, too.

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Dagmar:

damn redhat

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SiD3WiNDR:

or mound by uuid

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SiD3WiNDR:

erm, mount.

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TomTom:

hi!

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TomTom:

is there somewhere a list of available controlkeys within the modules ? (like in TV mode, media player etc)... some kind of "help" key like the enigma/neutrino software has ?

[11:30:39]

TomTom:

keybinding page in wiki is better than nothing

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TomTom:

real bouquets are not possible, right? i found only one quite bad solution to group tv channels.

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Dagmar:

Depends on the time of year and which florist you call.

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juski:

TomTom: if you <3 Neutrino l337 w@r3z so much, keep using em

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laga:

what's so l337 warez about neutrino?

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juski:

their code ends up in all the hooky images doesn't it?

[11:55:58]

laga:

so does linux.

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Dagmar:

Here's a "sign" of some kind....

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Dagmar:

http://neutrino.klik.atekon.de/

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Dagmar:

"This page has been viewed 2275 times, neutrino has been kliked 29 times,

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Dagmar:

and 21 successes have been estimated.

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Dagmar:

So, just barely 1% of the people who saw it actually tried to install it, and nearly a third of those failed miserably.

[11:58:14]

laga:

Dagmar: wrong software. http://www.dbox2.info/gallery.php?catid=2

[11:59:03]

Dagmar:

WTF is the matter with tham

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Dagmar:

What'a a bouquet supposed to be in crazy-world?

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juski:

Dagmar: a group of channels

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juski:

it's so people who have FA better to do all day than graze hundreds of channels can do so more easily

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Dagmar:

Ahhh

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juski:

Me want sportz now

[12:00:07]

juski:

no, me want cart00nz now

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Dagmar:

I see. People too lazy to channel surf manually, but still picky enough to only want to surf certain channels.

[12:00:31]

Dagmar:

"MythTV is for people who know what they want to watch, and record."

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juski:

I've seen the hack to give mythtv 'bouquets' – it's butt ugly & dangerous to the DB

[12:01:33]

TomTom:

juski: whats up with you ? so far you are not very helpful and only destructive. i think its absolutly normal to compare all available "products" and check for weaknesses and strengths

[12:01:40]

juski:

channel grouping is one of the things gbee has said he plans to work on in the future

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laga:

yay

[12:02:04]

juski:

like he doesn't do enough already :D

[12:02:07]

laga:

let's have "that discussion" again

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Dagmar:

TomTom: Typically one does this for oneself. One does not pester other people to do their work for them.

[12:02:54]

juski:

TomTom: I'll cut right to the chase. STFU

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Dagmar:

We make no money from this, therefore we have no vested interest in whether other people want to use it or not.

[12:03:25]

juski:

it's a nice day, I can't be bothered to argue. just STFU

[12:03:52]

juski:

so I'm an evil SoB.. who cares

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SiD3WiNDR:

TomTom: if he bothers you, use /ignore. If you want to see the odd useful output, don't. ;>

[12:04:56]

Dagmar:

Think of whining as what happens when you cut your finger and drip blood into shark-filled waters.

[12:05:34]

juski:

I'll save the lazy bastard the effort

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TomTom:

SiD3WiNDR: hehe of course there was some useful output, but he seems to have a split personality or so, or gets rejected from his desired "partners" ;)

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Dagmar:

At least he does his own footwork.

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TomTom:

he definitly has a problem, i had a look on his homepage: where others greet the users, he has the words "dont ask me to help blablabla"

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Dagmar:

Yes, the problem is "rampant moronism"

[12:07:10]

SiD3WiNDR:

:)

[12:07:28]

Dagmar:

People shouldn't have to be told how to open a tarball, yet they ask about it.

[12:07:31]

laga:

TomTom: i guess the warning is there for a reason.

[12:07:47]

laga:

TomTom: people shouldn't have to be told not to ask for support privately

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TomTom:

if you dont want to be "reached" by ppl, dont expose yourself

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laga:

TomTom: well, being "reached" is different to "getting whiney mail privately because someone's mythtv does not work"

[12:10:02]

TomTom:

laga: tons of ppl write annoying mails to linus t. because their kernel cant be compiled... he can handle this somehow

[12:10:13]

SiD3WiNDR:

yes, by discarding it

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kslater:

I think the MythTV site should have a disclaimer that states: "You probably can't get this running to your satisfaction. You probably don't have the skills or fortitude required. Proceed at your own peril"

[12:11:13]

laga:

TomTom: eah, but njuski is not responsible :)

[12:11:19]

laga:

kslater: yes.

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kslater:

nor is juski required to be, like they said earlier, he gains nothing from this

[12:11:54]

kslater:

does it for his own amusement

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TomTom:

thousands of ppl do stuff for linux/oss and are quite companiable(?) and dont argue each second with "i dont earn anything blabla"

[12:13:28]

laga:

TomTom: that still does not give you the right to bother them privately

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juski:

I don't do 1:1 tech support because people can't afford it

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laga:

heh

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juski:

and it takes time to sift through whining emails. time that could be much better spent doing other things

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laga:

woohoo

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laga:

i think i have just compiled enbd successfully.

[12:25:16]

laga:

well, inserting the kernel module segfaults :)

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laga:

on the b090nfire?

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laga:

err, b00nfire

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laga:

this keyboard is not good for my spelling

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zigovr:

hi all, is that OK to run mythfilldatabase while the backend is off ?

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juski:

zigovr: you mean the backend machine or the backend process?

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janneg:

both should be ok

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juski:

of course you can run mythfilldatabase without the backend process running, but no rescheduling will take place until the backend starts again

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juski:

janneg: depends where the database lives, of course ;)

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janneg:

of course but mythfilldatabase will scream if the database isn't reachable

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zigovr:

yeah I meant the process, ok thanks guys

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zigovr:

I was just worrying because mythfilldatabase tries to contact the backend, but apparently it's just to notify it that there has been changes, but it's useless when it's not running

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k-man__:

does mythrename rename the file and also change the database to point to the new file?

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Dr_willis:

k-man__, i belive it does.

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k-man__:

hmm

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Dr_willis:

or at least the few times ive used it. ive not had any issues with them being changed

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k-man__:

i seem to have a lot of orphaned files in my recordings directory, and it seems as though quite a few have been renamed

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Dr_willis:

are some links?

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k-man__:

hmm

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k-man__:

good point, i'll check

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Dr_willis:

I dont even have a myhthtv box set up close to check

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zigovr:

what are the possible values for the "category type" entry in the "program" table ?

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Dagmar:

int

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zigovr:

int ?

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Dr_willis:

INT!

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Dr_willis:

int – a # ranging from 0 to ..err... somthing else. ;)

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Dagmar:

Yes, int. As in integer--a data type represented by a number in the range of zero to 65,535, or a 16-bit int

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zigovr:

the "category_type" entry ?

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zigovr:

I've got "movie" in it for some entry of the program table, it's surely not an int

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zigovr:

in fact, I got either nothing, either "movie", never a number

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Dagmar:

Oh, you're tampering with the database directly.

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Dagmar:

I ain't touchin' that.

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zigovr:

well, this entry isn't updated correctly , probably the grabber information I get aren't complete

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zigovr:

so I'd like to complete myself as a step I do myself after my daily mythfilldatabase

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zigovr:

but I don't know what other keywords there are apart from "movie" which is the only one I ever saw

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Dagmar:

Oh if it's coming from the grabber you can actually tell it to just wipe everything it's got and repull all the data.

[14:13:32]

Dagmar:

Much easier than trying to fix it manually

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zigovr:

you mean I should fix the xml data of the grabber instead ?

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Dagmar:

I mean you should take a crack at running the grabber with the option that means "grab everything again"

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Dagmar:

Which grabber are you using?

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zigovr:

well that's the problem

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zigovr:

it's for France, I'm using two different grabbers, and none of them give good category_type entries

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zigovr:

my idea was to look at the "category" entry and look for some key string in it, for example if it containe the string "film" then I set the "category_type" to movie

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zigovr:

my plan was to do that automatically, is that a problem to update the "program" table myself while the backend is running ?

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zigovr:

for example, can I update the program database and then run "mythbackend --resched" to signal the backend to take in account my updated data ?

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Cry_wolf2:

Anyone using the gcube emulator ?

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GreyFoxx:

Is that still being developed? I thought it was dropped years ago

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Cry_wolf2:

yes, but is there a replacement ?

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Cry_wolf2:

Only one linked from mythwiki

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GreyFoxx:

I just saw it was over and the guy gave out the source. I haven't noticed if anyone else took it up

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Cry_wolf2:

Don´t think so

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jams:

anyslackware users about?

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jams:

do slackware have an /etc/slackware-release file or something similiar?

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GreyFoxx:

slackare-version

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jams:

cat you pastebin the contents please

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GreyFoxx:

# cat /etc/slackware-version

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GreyFoxx:

Slackware 10.2.0

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GreyFoxx:

That's all :)

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jams:

heh that works to

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jams:

thanks

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jams:

thats perfect

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Dude, you're not still using 10.2 for Myth are you?

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Dagmar:

I'm finally about to upgrade mine to 12 this weekend

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juski:

what?! I made a new recording profile, called it 'radio' and it's not available to use

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juski:

ahhh. I didn't make a new profile at all – only renamed 'low quality' to 'radio'. it's that hard-coded junk being a pest again

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juski:

and yet again, editing a qtlook.txt file has taken away my will to live

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tank-man:

Dagmar, did you install mythtv in /usr/local? or you made a slackbuild script? just wondering how your upgrade is going to go

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Floppy76:

Afternoon – I have a problem getting digital sound out of MythDVD – MythMusic works fine, but the Internal DVD player doesn't. Anyone got any ideas?

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Dagmar:

tankman: Childishly easily, actually.

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Dagmar:

tankman: I have an entire engine's worth of code for rapid prototyping and development of packages.

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juski:

Grrr floppy76 left

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juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual: . . . ontend#Audio

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Chicago:

https://www.integralblue.com/svn/repos/mythtv-overlay keeps timing out. Is there a mirror?

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|Torg|:

maybe if we knew what the overlay was, we could help

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kormoc:

gentoo mythtv svn ebuilds

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Chicago:

|Torg| Like kormoc said, it's for gentoo... but it's also helpful because the mythtv-overlay provides ebuilds for svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/{mythplugins, mythtv,myththemes} {mythplugins, mythtv, myththemes}

[18:46:48]

|Torg|:

yes I see that, I was looking though my notes to see if I have anything on it

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|Torg|:

I use debian tho and dont patch the code at all, expect in the rare cases where it breaks my DVB cards

[18:47:53]

Chicago:

|Torg|: I'm getting some of the very best performance I've seen with Myth yet using the SVN ebuilds and hardware acceleration.

[18:48:27]

|Torg|:

I use svn trunk builds, they are about 2 weeks old now. There is no compelling reason for me to upgrade it however

[18:49:23]

Chicago:

Well, I have build 13987 installed. . . and I want to co from the integralblue server again... but it keeps timing out.

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|Torg|:

it does for me as well, id assume there is some conectivity problem to it

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Chicago:

|Torg|: I just figured out howto easily make gentoo switch up on mythtv for whether it gets compiled against the xorg-x11 opengl libraries or against the NVIDIA Linux Kernel Driver GLX accelerator.

[18:51:40]

|Torg|:

nice, what did you do?

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Chicago:

'eselect opengl set nvidia' did it for me... Now I get pretty eye candy.

[18:52:23]

|Torg|:

I take it eselect is a gentoo command

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Chicago:

Of course... eselect – "Gentoo's multi-purpose configuration and management tool" (from man eselect)

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|Torg|:

you do know you can achive the same thing with a simple module for your card and your X cofnig, right?

[18:54:55]

Chicago:

|Torg|: This VGA Controller is an Nvidia4 MX 460 and xorg-x11 has the xf86-video-nv drivers installed.

[18:55:18]

Chicago:

|Torg|: Just having the modules there didn't do it for me though...

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|Torg|:

it wont run with the nvidia nv kernel driver?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, eselect switches between using mesa's GLX and nvidia's, so you can swap between them

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kormoc:

(eslect's opengl option at least)

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|Torg|:

ahh, I just replaced mesa with nvidia

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kormoc:

yeah, the idea is there are times that if you use the nvidia glx with the nv driver or the like, issues happen, so they allow a way to swap between them

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Chicago:

kormoc: Do you have a clue why after upgrading to the .9639 nvidia driver and magically updating my xorg.conf.... Why would KDE now show my Refresh rate choices as "50Hz 55Hz 56Hz 57Hz 58Hz"? I have to choose the 50Hz selection in KDE to get the 85Hz selection on my monitor at 1600x1200.

[18:57:44]

kormoc:

no idea

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Chicago:

I added lots of EDID and I2C functionality... maybe I mismapped something.

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|Torg|:

ive seen nvidia drivers do very stange things, like ignore EDID, misintrpet timing and such

[18:58:53]

|Torg|:

there is even a certain driver version (Its in the multiple ones I have) that insisted on putting my 1080I into a bounding box

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Chicago:

|Torg|: Do you use AGPGART or the NvAGP when you see those oddities?

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|Torg|:

I left it alone, its set to default. Altho I know nvidia changed it a while back

[18:59:59]

|Torg|:

my drivers are set to ignore edid, ignore timing, and ignore just about everything I can tell it to

[19:00:09]

|Torg|:

I do it by hardcoding modelines and dpi

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Chicago:

|Torg|: I tried spending a few hours with the xorg.conf device options for nvidia and for the system environment variables for nvidia... I probably just messed something up.

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|Torg|:

I can show you mine, keep in mind it for my TV

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Chicago:

Hmm... I hardcoded dpi... but node modelines.

[19:00:43]

Chicago:

but not modelines, rather.

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|Torg|:

what mode do you want to run? the mythwiki has quite a few examples and I can show you mine

[19:01:27]

Chicago:

That's okay, unless you have your device options in the xorg.conf for a .9639 version of the driver.... All the device options changed for me from the .7 trac to the .9... (my card cant run the unified driver)

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|Torg|:

I also have to add Option "ModeValidation" "NoMaxPClkCheck, NoVertRefreshCheck, NoHorizSyncCheck, NoEdidMaxPClkCheck"

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|Torg|:

yes it on 9639

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|Torg|:

the no validaion options are more about my TV tho then the driver, I belive its EDID is screwed up

[19:02:40]

Chicago:

|Torg|: I just want to switch the different modes. . . to benchmark the acceleration I was watching the xscreensavers. I figure they will run with a higher fps if I use a lower resolution.

[19:02:59]

Chicago:

Well, I guess EDID can go away then...

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|Torg|:

ahh that I cant help you with, I dont run a desktop or even a window manager

[19:03:15]

|Torg|:

I dont change resolutions, its set at 1080I perminant

[19:03:30]

Chicago:

I'm kinda upset I can't get > 85 Hz out of this 21" SONY Trinitron...

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|Torg|:

and other then glxgears I dont really benchmark it other then "can I watch tv" and "does the wife complain"

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|Torg|:

why is fps important to you?

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Chicago:

And then in glxgears, I have the accelerator set to sync on vsync... so it won't draw faster than 85hz if the screen's refresh rate is set to 85hz.

[19:04:55]

|Torg|:

mine is hardcoded to 60hz

[19:05:09]

Chicago:

I want to maximize the refresh rate of the monitor at a particular resolution for a given xscreenserver which uses acceleration.

[19:05:15]

Chicago:

The xscreensavers are really pretty. :)

[19:05:32]

|Torg|:

so is blanking the screen and it dosnt take any extra cpu :)

[19:05:39]

Chicago:

Yes

[19:06:05]

|Torg|:

my tv can sleep so all I can do is show a black screen

[19:06:09]

|Torg|:

err cant

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kormoc:

if it's a lcd, you black is worse then white is to sleep (and even then it's not saving the backlight)

[19:07:05]

|Torg|:

its a DLP

[19:07:23]

|Torg|:

and running that bulb is bad period

[19:08:15]

|Torg|:

when I bought it the LCD tvs were running $10K-15K

[19:08:33]

Chicago:

I also noticed some of those xscreensavers do not look better with ansiotropic filtering and supersampling... and some of them do...

[19:09:00]

laga:

ah, gentoo users

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laga:

;)

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floppy12:

hello

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juski:

floppy12: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual: . . . ontend#Audio

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floppy12:

i've found the programguide in the Web-backend

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juski:

you mean mythweb

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juski:

there we go. no more aeroic-wide page on my site. stopped work on it for the forseeable future. can't be bothered

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floppy1234:

re

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** juski is glad his ISP isn't t-dialin **

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floppy1234:

how can i switch the channel from webfrontend?

[19:41:31]

juski:

floppy12: easy answer. you can't

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floppy1234:

juski and in the TV frontend with the guide?

[19:41:55]

juski:

what?

[19:42:33]

juski:

if you bring up the programme guide while in livetv and want to change channel with the select button you have to change a setting

[19:42:57]

floppy1234:

i have the guide button on my remote, when i press, the guide from mythtv open on my screen from the TV. how can i switch to a selected program?

[19:42:59]

floppy1234:

ah ok

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floppy1234:

i try

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juski:

floppy1234: utils/setup > setup > tv settings > programme guide > page2

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floppy1234:

ok

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juski:

you're totally welcome

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juski:

hey easy now no need to send any money

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floppy1234:

ok

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floppy1234:

ive found

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floppy1234:

what is my selectbutton?

[19:48:59]

floppy1234:

i use the web remote per telnet

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juski:

oh ffs

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floppy1234:

ffs?

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kormoc:

for fuck's sake

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floppy1234:

http://67.171.177.27/remote/remote.html this i use

[19:53:06]

kormoc:

you really shouldn't post your unpassword protected mythweb in a publically logged channel with 192 users...

[19:53:18]

floppy1234:

it is not mine ;)

[19:53:31]

floppy1234:

i have a firewall with no forwarding to this machine

[19:53:33]

kormoc:

ahh, kk

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floppy1234:

just jused google

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juski:

hey this app is asking me to 'press any key'. where the hell is the any key?

[19:54:36]

|Torg|:

its on the back of the keyboard

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floppy1234:

lol

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floppy1234:

and there is no way, to select the channel per webfrontend?

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juski:

it's *mythweb*

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kormoc:

actually, that's not juski

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kormoc:

floppy1234, that's knoppix's thing, not really myth's

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kormoc:

floppy1234, or knoppmyth's thing, not myth's

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juski:

gah trust knoppmyth to do something l337

[20:01:08]

subx:

why isnt there a way of uninstalling mythtv cleanly, i did apt-get remove --purge mythtv*

[20:01:14]

subx:

deleted the database

[20:01:23]

subx:

deleted preferences

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kormoc:

subx, that more depends on your distro and/or package manager

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|Torg|:

subx what does dpkg tell you about it?

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subx:

i reinstalled mythtv but the setup menu has gone a funny colour

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subx:

and it just quits

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|Torg|:

clear out your cache and retry it

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subx:

what cache?

[20:04:28]

|Torg|:

what user do you run mythtv as?

[20:04:35]

subx:

it was mythtv

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subx:

ive deleted the mythconverg database

[20:04:52]

subx:

im going to start fresh

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|Torg|:

whats in /home/mythtv/.mythtv

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|Torg|:

there are probbly two caches one for the osd and one for the theme, clean them out

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kormoc:

for user in /home/*; rm -rf /home/$user/.mythtv

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kormoc:

rm -rf /root/.mythtv

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subx:

ok

[20:05:45]

subx:

remove the .mythtv folder

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Leebier:

hey there. I'm rebuilding my mythbox and considering a new tuner card if it makes life w/ digital boxes (US) better, is there anything out there that takes a cable card or such things? Or am I stuck using an IR blaster?

[20:06:41]

|Torg|:

wireless keyboard?

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kormoc:

cable cards are not going to be supported in linux for *a long* time

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kormoc:

if ever

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Leebier:

*sigh*

[20:07:25]

Leebier:

hopefully my new cable co will at least give me a cable box that accurately receives IR instructions

[20:07:29]

kormoc:

firewire is the best you can get with cable boxes (if they support it)

[20:07:35]

Leebier:

since even using Comcast's remote doesn't even work very well

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|Torg|:

hell I just wish someone would make a 8pck with CI I can put my dishnet card in

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Leebier:

so it sounds like I should wait until I buy a HDTV or such before upgrading my tuner card

[20:09:43]

kormoc:

aye

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|Torg|:

why you cant get digital cable with firewire out or use an ATSC card now

[20:10:56]

subx:

all i wanted to do was sit down and relax and watch a bit of tv....

[20:11:11]

subx:

on a nice sunday evening...

[20:11:19]

subx:

and this happens...

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kormoc:

|Torg|, cause they're not legally required to activate firewire if you don't have a HD subscription?

[20:11:34]

kormoc:

subx, shouldn't nuke your install if you intended to use it...

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|Torg|:

kormoc I wasnt presuming someone steal cable, of course you ahve to pay them for HD

[20:11:59]

|Torg|:

that or use ATSC

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subx:

kormoc: i thought the easiest way was to uninstall and reinstall it

[20:12:22]

kormoc:

a lot of people don't want to pay for HD when they can't use it

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subx:

im going to remove the mythtv user now

[20:12:58]

subx:

arghhhhhhhh i cant it says its already logged in

[20:13:04]

subx:

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[20:13:11]

** subx throws keyboard **

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|Torg|:

subx there is nothing wrong with keeping the mythtv user

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subx:

right, think positive, i can do this, i know i can

[20:14:04]

subx:

first step. REMOVE EVERYTHING MYTHTV

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damann:

hey, i have a really annoying problem: my mythtv makes a bad framejitter when watching live-tv or recorded programs... does someone know a little help for this??

[20:14:57]

damann:

i have an ati radeon 9500 pro -graphic card and hauppage nova-t tuner card...

[20:15:05]

damann:

and the recorded programs works fine with Xine...

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Leebier:

hang on a sec kormaoc and torg, even if there is a firewire port, i can't use it to change channels unless i have an HD package?

[20:15:35]

subx:

damann: change to bob n weave

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|Torg|:

if there is a firewire port, and it is active, it can change chanels

[20:15:49]

|Torg|:

HD or not

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Leebier:

but they may not let me use it?

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kormoc:

damann, please also note: http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.as . . . tionID=26907

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|Torg|:

they may not stop you from using it, they just may not enable it on the reciver

[20:16:21]

damann:

does not help... if you meant the option in playback setup...

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kormoc:

Leebier, they're not required to activate it unless you have a hd sub, yes

[20:16:44]

kormoc:

Leebier, nad it's kormoc, not kormaoc

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kormoc:

*and

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Leebier:

i see... hmm... (sorry bout the typo)... and are there 3rd party cable boxes (for use w/ cable card) avaliable yet?

[20:17:13]

Leebier:

that are more myth friendly

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kormoc:

not that I know

[20:17:34]

Leebier:

my cableco is willing to provide a cablecard, which is the first step, i suppose :)

[20:17:54]

damann:

kormoc, thanks... so i dont have to fight with that case anymore...

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subx:

ok, step1, mysql holds no mythtv databases, mythtvconverg has been deleted

[20:19:15]

subx:

step2, updatedb and locate any evidence of mythtv and delete it

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damann:

so, i have to buy new graphic card... have some tips, which card is cheap and works with mythtv??

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subx:

gforce fx5200

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subx:

nvidia

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|Torg|:

yes damann get an nvideo 5 series and above card

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kormoc:

nVidias are the recommended cards typically

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floppy1234:

can i get a overview of all recorded programs and stream them to my notebook?

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kormoc:

mythweb...

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|Torg|:

yes floppy1234 its called mythweb

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floppy1234:

ok

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kormoc:

or run the frontend on the laptop

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|Torg|:

or share the myth recordings directy via NFS or CIFS and watch it with a vidio player

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floppy1234:

29805_20070805215600.mpg does not exist in the recordings directory.

[20:23:06]

floppy1234:

what can i do against this message

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subx:

its amazing what u find with the locate command

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subx:

/var/backups/mythconverg.sql.gz

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kormoc:

don't delete the recordings outside of mythtv...

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|Torg|:

delete it from the recoded shows, and leave the file alone

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floppy1234:

kormoc i havent delete it

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floppy1234:

they are here

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kormoc:

fix your recording then

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floppy1234:

you mean i have a wrong config?

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|Torg|:

you have a recordings mismatch

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floppy1234:

i can watch the movies over samba or so

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|Torg|:

if the recording exists in the directory and not in your listings move it to the video direcotry and watch it with mythvideo

[20:25:46]

|Torg|:

if it exists in the recordings listing and not as a file, touch the file then delete it from the recordings

[20:25:53]

|Torg|:

other then that, leave it alone

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subx:

would it be ok to remove:

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subx:

/home/mythtv/.qt/qt_plugins_3.3rc

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subx:

right, i cannot find any evidence of mythtv using updatedb | locate myth

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subx:

time to reboot for safe measure

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** subx wipes sweat off forhead and breathes deeply **

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subx:

apt-get install mythtv

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subx:

its looking better this time, its ask for my root db password on install :D

[20:33:25]

subx:

mythtv setup is working properly too :D

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subx:

debian need to sort out there apt-get remove --purge

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|Torg|:

more like knppmyth needs to sort out package dependancies

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Leebier:

anyone know if the boards based on the Intel 845 (or 846) chipsets play nice with linux?

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subx:

i think most intel stuff plays ok with linux

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Leebier:

that was my impression, just wanted to make sure i wasn't about to step into a hornet's nest

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subx:

its working, i can now watch tv :D

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subx:

Leebier: check the web to see if people already using

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Leebier:

yeah, am doing so, just figured i'd check here too

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subx:

your doing the correct thing by investigating first

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subx:

my remote what is a LIRC controlled, seems to double hit when i press buttons, ie. like when i press the button into a menu it flicks onto another menu

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kormoc:

Woah, newegg removed the power search...

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kormoc:

and now it's back... strange...

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laga:

subx: www.lirc.org read up on "repeat" and "delay" for your .lircrc

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subx:

ok thanks

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laga:

what do you guys think of mythstream? it doesn't feel very usable to me

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|Torg|:

its a nice idea, but there are many other ways to accomplish the same thing

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kormoc:

laga, I perfer the flash video player in mythweb's svn

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laga:

kormoc: mythstreamtv != mythstream :)

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kormoc:

ooh :P

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Anduin:

hads: Have you looked at #3690 (ivtv prebuffer post ffmpeg sync) more?

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hads:

Anduin: I've been keeping an eye on it but it's not a frontend I use a lot (my desktop) so it doesn't bother me that much. I don't know how to try and debug it further myself.

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Anduin:

hads: Yeah, same here, it is just annoying enough that I've started looking at it, was hoping to avoid it.

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hads:

The noapic nolapic thing did help here.

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Anduin:

Yeah, I don't understand why it would (which didn't stop me from trying it)

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hads:

It's bizzare in that my main FE/BE is very similar hardware and doesn't show the problem.

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hads:

Even if I copy the file locally to the FE that does show the problem and play it with mythtv manually.

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knowledgejunkie:

Anduin: Is there anything holding up the commit of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3573?

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