Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, August 4th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Chicago:

juski: This is a progressive stream, the log shows it switches from interlaced and is using xvmc. I have another question... how is it possible that every time I explicitly set "Audio output device:" to 'ALSA:default' it is automatically reset to '/dev/dsp'?

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Chicago:

Also, this is an archived DVD fro myth I'm playing back.

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kormoc:

cause you press an arrow?

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cesman:

Please join us in #knoppmyth in an hour to celebrate the 4th annivesary!

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Chicago:

Now, I'm thinking the memory mapping for my VGA Controller which I mentioned earlier is causing the delay in the AV sync.

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Illinois:

Hello

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Beirdo:

why do you keep changing nicks, inahole?

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Uranus:

Well, once was to avoid a stupid ass ban on just my nick in a channel

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Uranus:

another was to poke fun with Poseidon

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Uranus:

and this was was to complement Chicago

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Uranus:

well, my last one

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Beirdo:

hmmm. changing nicks to avoid a ban is hardly playing fair... That's what leads to channel owners insisting on registered nicks only

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Uranus:

and I actually do like uranus

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Uranus:

such is why I changed back to it

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Uranus:

well, I spent 2 or 3 years on IRC.

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Uranus:

I learned quite a bit

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Uranus:

if I was back the way I was back then, I would've bnced a bot to avoid the ban or used a proxy

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Beirdo:

good for you. Some of us have been on IRC for over a decade more than that

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Uranus:

makes no difference to me

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Uranus:

I had a channel with 10 times the number of users too

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Uranus:

well, lusers

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Uranus:

i learned a few things back in the day

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Uranus:

I got bored of IRC

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Uranus:

just now getting back into it

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Slyboots:

Right, thats mythplugins working :)

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Slyboots:

Well, building and installing at least..

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Uranus:

cool

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Uranus:

When I scrape some money together, I'll try it

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Slyboots:

Now, I have to figure out what the *Frack* is wrong with mythtemes

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Uranus:

for now, I'll just watch the problems of others

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Slyboots:

And now I've got thost workings :)

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Slyboots:

Had to attach a prefix argument

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Uranus:

what was the prefix?

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Slyboots:

Funky, Thats almost my Mythbox working

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Slyboots:

Uranus: Eh? Oh, just where I installed it.. --prefix=/usr

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Uranus:

oh

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Slyboots:

Or not.. damn

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Uranus:

haha

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Uranus:

using bsd?

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Slyboots:

What the fuck..

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Slyboots:

dpkg: error processing /home/slyboots/mythsrc/themes/themes_20070804–2_i386.deb

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Slyboots:

(--install):

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Slyboots:

trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/ld', which is also in package binutils

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Uranus:

no, debian

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Slyboots:

Why the hell is it trying to overwrite /usr/bin/ld ?!

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Uranus:

no clue

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Slyboots:

Meh, I'kk just install them manualy

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Uranus:

maybe trying to update the paths in the config?

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Uranus:

i dunno. rename the binary or copy it to a new name and let it overwrite it

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Slyboots:

Hm.. So how do I enable Mythweb?

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Slyboots:

Does not seem to be with the plugin pack

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Uranus:

dunno

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Uranus:

i haven't even installed mythtv

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Hoxzer:

Slyboots: You have to have working webserver running in order to do that

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Slyboots:

Yea, Got that sorted

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Hoxzer:

Then you look at mythtwiki

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Hoxzer:

*mythtvwiki

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Chicago:

I made a new kernel \o/ gotta reboot.

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Slyboots:

Hmm, Mythweb guide only seems to be how to harden the install

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Slyboots:

Not.. how to get it at first

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Slyboots:

Is it still part of SVN? I did not get it when I was building the plugins

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juski:

you don't build mythweb. read the README

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Slyboots:

Cool, thats mythweb going

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rhollan:

Ah, me'n'my MythJukeHD are now in a hotel room in Redding, CA

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rhollan:

gotta love having all my content with me

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rhollan:

anyone home?

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GreyFoxx:

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: You put the words in my mouth.

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Slyboots:

Right, I"ve a odd issue

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Slyboots:

Myth seems to start the recordings too early, and stop them too early -.-

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Slyboots:

I keep getting half-recordings of shows

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Slyboots:

For no real obivous reasion beyond myth seeming to go "Right! Shows done!" and simply stops

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Slyboots:

The system clock is synced with ntp so Im not sure whats going on

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wh0dat:

trying to get mythphone working... not sure if its logging into my sip server.. where is a log for it? dont see one in the /mythtv logs

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Slyboots:

mythtvbackend.log

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wh0dat:

sly: nothing there, tried that file :(

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Slyboots:

Its shown somewhere, I think when mythfrontend launches

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wh0dat:

tried that, still nothing in that file

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Slyboots:

No idea Im afraid

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Slyboots:

Grep the log for SIP

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tank-man:

Slyboots, early by how much? and same amount each time?

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wh0dat:

sly: nah, nothing. cant find much info on mythphone anywhere

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Slyboots:

tank-man: Hard to say

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Slyboots:

I would say.. 5–10 mins perhaps?

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Slyboots:

The system clock is right, and I've tried using data from the RT grabber, or the EIT OvertheAir data

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Slyboots:

Problem sticks

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Slyboots:

And it happened again..

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my2keh:

anyone know why all of a sudden I get "400 Bad Request" when doing searches via mythweb? it was working yesterday, and I haven't touched it

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kormoc:

I'm sure apache knows

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contant:

hello! i am trying to install a remote control (serial cable) controller of my cable box to change the channels for mythtv and am having some problems — can anyone give me some help?

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my2keh:

does not match request-uri

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contant:

i installed based on the guide and now i get the message /usr/local/bin/channel: Permission denied

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contant:

when i write in the channel command which is suppsoto show the channel

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kormoc:

so give it permission?

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contant:

how? sudo?

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contant:

im using ubuntu

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my2keh:

oh and apache doesn't know!

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my2keh:

heh

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kormoc:

chmod a+rw /usr/local/bin/channel

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kormoc:

my2keh, then you're out of luck, if apache doesn't know, we can't help you

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contant:

didnt help

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contant:

same message

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my2keh:

what do you mean by apache doesn't know?

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kormoc:

contant, likely a device permission then, you'll need to read up on ubuntu's device permissions

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kormoc:

my2keh, apache should be logging why it's giving the 400 error

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contant:

you mean for the serial port?

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kormoc:

yes

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contant:

so you think the user might not be able to access the serial port – is that part of the user settings?

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my2keh:

hmm says /var/www/js doesn't exist

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my2keh:

do you have a /var/www/js directory?

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kormoc:

contant, it's part of the permission scheme the distro choose

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contant:

you you knwo with ubuntu?

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kormoc:

I don't run ubuntu, no

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kormoc:

my2keh, some people do, others do not

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my2keh:

uhhh

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my2keh:

but it's part of mythweb shouldn't we all have it?

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kormoc:

not everyone has mythweb installed into the docroot of /var/www

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hads:

You'll want to be in the dialout group to access a serial port in Ubuntu

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kormoc:

nor does everyone have it in the main docroot rather then a sub directory

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contant:

can you think of anyway i can confirm that my COM1 is working and communicating with the cablebox?

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yotux:

can any one recommend a good caputer card?

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kormoc:

for what?

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Slyboots:

PVr-350

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yotux:

Sorry I am a noob to mythtv. I have a HD tv and was thinking of getting an air2pc capture card

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kormoc:

air2pc is great if you can get all of what you want from OTA

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hads:

Slyboots: The PVR-350 is a waste of money for most.

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kormoc:

you can use antenna web (google) to see what channels are in your area

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yotux:

I have satellite, and hd is over the air

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hads:

Slyboots: A PVR-150 would be a better choice.

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bobc:

A few days ago the network throughput from my master backend system dropped tremendously so I can no longer watch programs recorded on that backend. Recordings from the slave backend play fine on all frontends however, including the frontend that is on the same system as the master backend. Recordings on the master backend play fine on the frontend on that system, but not on any other. Trying to copy files to the master backend server is ve

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Dagmar:

Try the support channel for your distribution.

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Ekskoo:

i have just loaded up mythtv-frontend and backend on xubuntu and it was working fine, but I dont' want it to startup when i boot.. how do i disable this

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Dagmar:

Try #xubuntu

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Ekskoo:

ta

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k-man_:

anyone here use sdlmame with mythgame?

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k-man_:

also, what are some good 2 player games for playing with mythtv?

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Dagmar:

Whichever ones you legally own

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k-man_:

i'm talking about open source games

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Dagmar:

MAME doesn't have any./

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k-man_:

Dagmar, but mythgame can play games other than mame games

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Dagmar:

Don't pretend we're all morons and we won't call you one.

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k-man_:

what are you on about?

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k-man_:

all im asking is if anyone knows of any fun 2 player ames

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k-man_:

games

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juski:

how the hell do people expect anybody to help them when they come out with stuff like "In a related problem, when existing Mythtv altogether, any input at the confirmation screen I am giving, is ignored" ? ffs

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geemark:

i am getting this error when trying to compile mythtv trunk on gentoo: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop.

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geemark:

it seems ./configure has not found qt or...?

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tank-man:

what doc are you reading from?

[10:51:59]

clever:

DAMNIT

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geemark:

no doc, but I do exactly the same as i used to before I formatted – perhaps there is a new install procedure?

[10:52:21]

clever:

i free up enough space for a weekend of recording

[10:52:37]

clever:

and nythtv makes a 7gig log file

[10:53:00]

clever:

just to delete half my shoows :p

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juski:

geemark: you're right. ./configure hasn't found qt – or you don't have qt3 installed.. or its building tools

[11:02:25]

laga:

morning

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juski:

morning laga

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juski:

btw how did the gf's birthday go? was she happy? ;)

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laga:

juski: yup

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geemark:

juski, it will not work with qt4?

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Dagmar:

The documentation says it doesn't work with qt4

[11:05:59]

juski:

geemark: no way. if you manage to make it work with qt4, collect a $10,000 bounty & give yourself a pat on the back

[11:06:14]

geemark:

righto, thanks

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juski:

Dagmar: what is this "dercumntation" you speak of? I can honestly say I've never heard of anything so frivolous!

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pretender_:

anyone out there from australia

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juski:

wow. they get more & more patient as time goes by

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laga:

yup

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laga:

juski: do you know why eskil's shoutcast patch is not in svn?

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juski:

laga: yeah, cos nobody's committed it?

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** directhex commits juski **

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juski:

gbee has said he plans to at some point, but he has many pans on the stove ;)

[11:12:14]

laga:

juski: ah, ok :)

[11:12:37]

juski:

more theme wrangling for me to do :-\

[11:12:43]

laga:

juski: a dedicated frontend in a room without any computer kinda makes me want MOAR then the normal mythtv

[11:13:31]

juski:

I'm gonna be tidying up all my theme work directories today, ready for me switching my desktop machine to linux again

[11:14:47]

laga:

good idea

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laga:

what distro?

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juski:

probably unubutt

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laga:

nice

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laga:

gah. eskil's shoutcast patch depends on having checkouts of mythtv, myththemes and mythplugins in one directory

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juski:

seems to be the most friendly option that'll let me experience mythtv without dependency hell

[11:17:26]

juski:

a little OT : are there any guides on how to strip ubuntu down to the bare essentials?

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juski:

by that I mean a footprint of way less than 1GB

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tank-man:

boot to the console

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laga:

juski: i've got mine to around 700M

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juski:

700M? jees

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laga:

would that be enough?

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juski:

I'm gonna be spending some time exploring how to get my frontend to behave

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laga:

heh

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juski:

I can see me ending up getting slack

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juski:

I don't want to be stuck with minimyth 0.20–19, see – I'll be knackered when it comes to update to 0.21

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juski:

it might have gone away since I updated the backend but I can't see that being possible

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laga:

just get a 2GB usb stick and boot from that

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juski:

EPIA machines are notoriously slow at booting from USB

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laga:

epia machines probably suck

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juski:

they do! I'll never recommend one to anybody again

[11:25:18]

juski:

they CAN cope with SDTV, going down-hill, with the wind behind them, on a cloudless sunny day

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laga:

heh

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laga:

if only the s100 had more ram :(

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juski:

the bare fact of the matter is, without xvmc, they're NOTHING. and xvmc is what really lets them down

[11:26:10]

juski:

it'll probably be much cheaper in terms of my own time just to build a new frontend

[11:26:43]

juski:

I mean the time I've spent ferking about with minimyth would cost way more than the £150 it'd take me to buy some decent hardware

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laga:

yup

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laga:

just throw mythbuntu at it and you're done

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juski:

bnah

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laga:

:P

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juski:

actually maybe that's an option since they'll be having weekly -fixes updates

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juski:

the whole thing I have against packages now is simply how damn old they are

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juski:

they're fighting a losing battle – it's pointless them reporting bugs to mythtv since the bug was prolly squashed 9 months ago

[11:28:41]

juski:

everybody loses that way

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laga:

yup

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laga:

soon there'll be svn trunk builds, too

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** wh0dat slaps mythphone with a deat trout. **

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juski:

deat?

[12:51:26]

wh0dat:

dead, lol

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wh0dat:

wow, projectgrayhem is looking really sweet now

[12:54:53]

juski:

yeah I aim to please ...

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juski:

myself :D

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wh0dat:

heh, well you definately have an artistic eye.. thanks for sharing it.

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wh0dat:

juski: have you ever played with xboxmediacenter?

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juski:

wh0dat: yeah. I'm not a fan

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wh0dat:

juski: its just that your skin reminds me a lot of the one i use on there

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juski:

well, the projectgrayhem theme was inspired by projectmayhem III

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juski:

it even borrows (with permission) one or 2 images

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wh0dat:

that would be why, then =)

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wh0dat:

i use both.. and now they match! .. =)

[13:09:46]

wh0dat:

hmm am I allowed to point out a couple flaws though? <g>

[13:10:04]

juski:

shoot

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juski:

I may or may not apply the trout afterwards

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wh0dat:

the lines in the header are messed up on myth weather .. just on the radar screen

[13:10:58]

juski:

I've not yet had a chance to redo weather-ui.xml for the new plugin for any of my themes

[13:11:15]

juski:

mostly on account of nobody having submitted a script for the UK

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wh0dat:

ahh

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wh0dat:

also on the livetv program guide the show description in the top left sometimes goes past the grey background

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juski:

not here it doesn't

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wh0dat:

hmm maybe i need to make my font smaller

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juski:

wahh I have _way_ too many files

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juski:

maybe I should have less drives in my desktop machine. then I might be more disciplined

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sion_:

what distro you on juski ?

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juski:

on my desktop? no distro ;)

[13:29:00]

sion_:

ah ok.. just curious anyway

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juski:

I'm trying to tidy up so I can migrate to linux

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sion_:

only solution seems an external HD and move it over ;-)

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juski:

nah over the last couple of years I've been way too prodigious. got thousands of images I might use in themes, way too many sound & video files..

[13:31:31]

sion_:

over 4tb here of files, I simply cannot throw away and cant be bothered to burn

[13:32:51]

sion_:

you did magic on my pvr btw, well your hints did, after I recompiled kernel with some flags and use mplayer wiht some flags (-ao sdl) it works like a charm

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pat_:

juski, you around?

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juski:

no

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pat_:

how much is a carton of beer where you are, and do you drink beer?

[13:34:53]

pat_:

(you've got a paypal link, right?)

[13:34:58]

juski:

I don't drink beer at home. tends to be Jack Daniels

[13:35:04]

pat_:

oh, well

[13:35:14]

wh0dat:

I drink milk

[13:35:21]

juski:

if you wanna donate, doesn't matter how much or little, it's the thought that counts

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pat_:

I was going to buy you and your missus a carton of beer for doing such a nice job on your themes

[13:35:39]

Dr_willis:

beer comes in cartons?

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juski:

last donation I got was $50, which I found quite shocking, frankly ;)

[13:36:04]

juski:

very very flatterring :D

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pat_:

well, how much is a carton of beer over there?

[13:36:30]

juski:

12 cans of Carlsberg.. hmmm

[13:36:41]

pat_:

cartons, are 24 bottles usually

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pat_:

they are about $40 here

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laga:

!

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laga:

that's _expensive_

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pat_:

(AUD)

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juski:

that's about £20 at current exchange rates

[13:37:23]

juski:

if it was USD.. :-P

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MilkBoy:

~25 EUR here =)

[13:37:34]

laga:

yep

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juski:

like I said just donate whatever you feel. no obligation

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pat_:

ok!

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pat_:

done

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laga:

i paid like 8€ for 24x0.5l :) that was cheaper beer, though

[13:37:53]

juski:

thanks :)

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sion_:

I never look at beer prices, life is too short to drink cheap beer

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MilkBoy:

haha

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laga:

juski: you don't really need a dvd drive in the s100... i'm gonna use VLC for streaming

[13:38:44]

laga:

sion_: true

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juski:

laga: you have a point actually. the only dvd that ever gets played in this house is a workout thing

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** juski turns his stereo up to 11 **

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laga:

juski: it can be quite comfortable. i've set up my desktop box to ask me wether i want to stream or not when i insert a DVD. now i've got to work out how to control mplayer or vlc on the s100

[13:39:57]

sion_:

laga, vlc gave me a truckload of problems on my pvr, I guess I need to learn its flags better

[13:40:06]

wh0dat:

openGL just makes the myth menu's render faster, not look any better, right?

[13:40:08]

laga:

sion_: on your pvr 150?

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sion_:

laga, yup

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juski:

wh0dat: I can't tell the difference

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laga:

sion_: i never used that, dunno

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sion_:

laga, mplayer works out of the box here but eats double vcl's cpu

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laga:

sion_: maybe that's because it works properly :)

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juski:

wh0dat: it gives you that lame fade that I can live without, so I only ever enable opengl for testing

[13:40:59]

wh0dat:

juski: neither can I.. its just that I read on a forum that its supposed to look cleaner. meh.

[13:41:15]

juski:

and it certainly doesn't make any difference to other areas

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wh0dat:

ahh, the fade.

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juski:

people have claimed to see improvements in 'watch recordings' & stuff but that's plain BS

[13:41:44]

juski:

since those UI elements can't use opengl yet :D

[13:41:51]

wh0dat:

hahahahaha

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directhex:

juski, the same people who buy £100 power cables because it gives them better hi-fi sound?

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juski:

directhex: yeah and the same people who buy gold-plated optical cables

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juski:

AKA retards

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sion_:

tsk tsk tsk I have those

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sion_:

j/k

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sion_:

only gold plated sound cables, but thats a long story

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juski:

wow man this 48khz wav recording of Nene Cherry from vinyl is awesome

[13:44:03]

juski:

forgot I did this

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sion_:

you a music fan ?

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wh0dat:

juski: using the new blootube now, it doesnt have those two alignment issues that greyhem did.. so gonna use it for now. =)

[13:46:46]

wh0dat:

*contemplates if he likes the channel guide on the top half of the screen instead of the bottom half*

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juski:

sion_: used to be a DJ

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Dagmar:

You only stop being a DJ when you go into a strip club and don't want to kick the DJ there out of the booth and take over because he's just doing train wrecks.

[13:54:10]

** Dr_willis wonders why they need a DJ in a strip club.. **

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Dagmar:

Because strippers can't keep a beat on their own.

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Dagmar:

...and watches confuse them.

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Dr_willis:

who cares > :)

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Dr_willis:

shake it baby!

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Dagmar:

The manager expecting you're paying 'em $20 for a three minute lap dance cares.

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Dr_willis:

Heh.. ok :) so they all need an eeg timer...

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Dr_willis:

eggtimer.

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sion_:

juski, ever heard of oink ? that is if you are into torrents

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Dr_willis:

manager would rather them only take 2 min.. :)

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juski:

I don't do torrents. I pay for all of my music

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sion_:

fair enough :)

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Dagmar:

Of course, most vinyl jugglers would drive said manager nuts, because the strippers wouldn't be able to tell when a song ends anymore.

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sion_:

I usually buy what I like but I have to listen to it before I order it

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Esotericisms:

can mythtv playback mkv files?

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Dr_willis:

Esotericisms, ive used it to watfh them befor.

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Esotericisms:

any special setup?

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juski:

and I did DJ for strippers a few times. 'gentlemens' evenings' in the club. tawdry affairs

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Dr_willis:

watch videos --> selected the video. :) was all i recall doing.

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Esotericisms:

cool thanks

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directhex:

Esotericisms, you might need to add mkv as a format mythvideo searches for

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directhex:

Esotericisms, and you might want to change the player to mplayer or Internal depending on luck and how recent your myth build is

[14:02:41]

juski:

just do the right thing & delete all your leet mkv files

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juski:

whoah I found my Dolby trailers

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directhex:

mkv doesn't neccessarily imply warez

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juski:

just like avi doesn't

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directhex:

well, indeed

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directhex:

just because it's flavour of the month in the tentacle porn crowd, doesn't mean $foo_mkv is tentacle porn

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Esotericisms:

directhex, exactly :)

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directhex:

if it works in ffplay, it works in Internal. in theory

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heanol:

I'm building a new mythtv frontend/backend box

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heanol:

What kind of hardware would i need to be able to play 1080p-material?

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juski:

depends. mpeg2 or h.264 ?

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fryfrog:

i'd say something dual core, maybe in the 3800+ range amd (minimum)?

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fryfrog:

not sure core 2

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heanol:

juski, i'm not sure what the material is usually distributed in

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juski:

heanol: depends where you live. it's probably 100% mpeg2 in the states

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juski:

in europe it's generally h,264

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heanol:

well i'm in europe :)

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heanol:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33GHz 4MB FSB1333

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heanol:

is that cpu overkill?

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juski:

for h,264 hdtv? forget about it

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heanol:

juski, what do you mean?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org : -o GreyFoxx

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heanol:

it's not enough?

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juski:

I mean that system won't have enough grunt to play h.264 HDTV

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heanol:

uh.. then what do you need?

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juski:

more. MORE

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heanol:

example?

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juski:

right now it's just not very practical since ffmpeg doesn't yet support multithreaded playback

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heanol:

i sees

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GreyFoxx:

It's improving quickly making the requirements smaller

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juski:

when you can use both cores, then you'll be able to gain benefit from using a dual core cpu

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GreyFoxx:

but it's still not settled down in order to really recommend a "minimum"

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juski:

and then when mythtv sucks those changes in, you'll be good

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juski:

there's not much HDTV available in europe yet anyway

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heanol:

juski, i've seen alot of... downloadable content though

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heanol:

:p

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at0m|c:

heanol: hardware decoder maybe?

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juski:

at0m|c: NO

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at0m|c:

:/

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juski:

there's no hardware decoding for h.264 in linux yet

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wh0dat:

juski: which file would i edit in blootube to change how far the text goes to the right, so it doesnt get cut off?

[15:37:21]

juski:

I fixed it recently, and I've stopped updating my tarballs

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wh0dat:

i think i just need to subtract the number by 10 or so

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juski:

I'm contemplating doing away with the tarballs altogether

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wh0dat:

huh? you fixed it since i downloaded it this morning?

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Aval0j:

hey guys, I have 2 quick questions. 1. How fast of a frontend would I need to be able to watch streaming HD videos from my main backend? 2. With the guide software the MythTV utilizes, how far into the future can you see?

[15:39:18]

juski:

wh0dat: no. the tarballs haven't been updated for ages now

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Aval0j:

hi juski

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juski:

wh0dat: line 657 of ui.xml

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juski:

Aval0j: how far ahead you can see depends on the grabber you use. it's generally up to 14 days

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juski:

wh0dat: on my local copy the line is <area>4,110,800,90</area>

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wh0dat:

juski: awsome thanks

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wh0dat:

thats teh same i have

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Aval0n:

juski cool.

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juski:

wh0dat: the live tv EPG ?

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wh0dat:

so its 110 high by 800 wide?

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wh0dat:

live tv

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Aval0n:

Anyone know how fast of a frontend I would need to watch streamind HD videos.. my 2nd tv is not hd however...

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juski:

wh0dat: let's see a screenshot?

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juski:

Aval0n: depends what format the HD is in

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wh0dat:

oh wait, mine says 880 not 800

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wh0dat:

why would that be?

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juski:

wh0dat: meh

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Aval0n:

juski, whatever myth is going to record it in

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Aval0n:

I'm just interested in watching HD shows that myth records in the 2nd room

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juski:

wh0dat: how many more times must I say I've not updated my tarballs in ages?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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juski:

wh0dat: I am NO LONGER keeping the tarballs up to date

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Aval0n:

juski: 2.4ghz machine enough?

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juski:

Aval0n: what format you get them in depends on where you live. In the USA/Canada HDTV is generally mpeg2. In europe it's h.264 which needs a *monster*

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Aval0n:

it's mpeg2

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wh0dat:

juski: well i thought you meant you just havent updated the tarballs in that you havent worked on the themes at all in awhile

[15:43:57]

juski:

read the channel FAQ ffs

[15:44:11]

juski:

wh0dat: No, I've just not been bothered to update the tarballs

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Aval0n:

I'm in the US juski pretty sure it's mpeg2

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wh0dat:

so then guess my obvious next question =)

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juski:

my local copies of my own themes here are no longer compatible with -fixes anyway

[15:45:18]

juski:

I'm not getting paid enough to care about users of -fixes :-P

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wh0dat:

lol

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wh0dat:

so there is no updated public version?

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juski:

yes, if you know where to look

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wh0dat:

your website says "last updated 13 July 2007"

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juski:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/themes/

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wh0dat:

sounds pretty damn recent to me =)

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juski:

yeah that's when the last tarball was updated

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wh0dat:

but but but.. you just said you havent updated the tarballs in ages

[15:47:34]

juski:

that IS ages

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wh0dat:

oh. my bad =)

[15:48:17]

juski:

a week can be a long time in the life of my themes

[15:48:50]

juski:

I'm frankly sick & tired of updating the tarball, uploading the tarball, editing html, uploading new html.. it's a PITA

[15:49:31]

juski:

and with a 9th theme on the way I feel pretty close to retiring my website altogether

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wh0dat:

have a script automate the tarball creation process from the svn =)

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juski:

that's easy. I aready do that

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mach:

newbie question: what will the pvr-500 give me that the pvr-150 wont with mythtv

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juski:

mach: and extra tuner & mpeg2 encoder. next

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mach:

that's what I thought. thanks

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mach:

Do the MCE editions of the cards just come with extra software for windows?

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juski:

mach: read the channel FAQ

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wh0dat:

juski: new version works much better, thanks!

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bmk789:

how do i set mythdvd to use the internal player?

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juski:

utils/setup > setup > media settings > DVD settings > PLay settings

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bmk789:

but it just gves a blank for a command

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juski:

and in the 'command' field you put Internal. not internal. not INTERNAL. not iNtErNaL

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bmk789:

and typing "Internal" doesnt do it

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juski:

go all the way thru to finish, then try it again

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bmk789:

did, it doesnt play the dvd, just flashes and i go back to the setting and its still blank

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bmk789:

ive tried reconfiguring the mythdvd package, no luck

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bmk789:

theres no mythdvd folder in ~/.mythtv

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juski:

so maybe you need to point mythdvd at the correct point for your DVD drive

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bmk789:

its the same as when it worked

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Cry_wolf2:

wh0dat: Did you just svn co the theme dir and then cp -r the theme folder you whanted ?

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billfest:

nick whoisit

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Dave123:

what does "NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" mean?

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kormoc:

the audio buffer overflowed and you lost audio data

[18:02:18]

Dave123:

anyone know the fix?

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laga:

get a bigger audio buffer

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kormoc:

check the box in the frontend where it says 'enable extra audio buffers'?

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Dave123:

what menu is that under, if you know off the top of your head?

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laga:

einstellungen -> tv -> wiedergabe

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laga:

or settings -> tv -> playback i'd guess ;)

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geemark:

I have both qt3 and qt4 installed now, but MythTV ./configure chooses qt4 – can I force it to choose qt3 ? how does it detect qt? maybe I can fool it?

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laga:

geemark: set QTDIR

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laga:

<- afk

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Anduin:

geemark: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2128

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thoraxe:

ok i've got two issues but i'm not sure where to look to fix them

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geemark:

Anduin, fabolous... it seems to be working

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thoraxe:

1) in the on-screen display when watching tv (by pressing O) the text description of the show gets cut off at the bottom

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thoraxe:

is there a keypress to scroll that window or something?

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subx:

'our son pat is quite nifty with a bat, he can run in a circle as fast as a cat, and when he gets a little hungry he takes off his hat, 95% butter, 5% fat, sun packed fun packed our son pat, ill kill em when i get me hands on him.

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thoraxe:

anyone know how I can scroll the text in the show information when I'm looking at the on screen display? or at the program guide?

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jams:

thoraxe- you can't

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thoraxe:

uh

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thoraxe:

that kinda sucks

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thoraxe:

lol

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jams:

yeah some stuff gets cut off with long descriptions

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thoraxe:

same thing with the programming guide?

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jams:

yep

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jams:

assuming your talking about the show description, and not scrolling though the list of shows

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thoraxe:

correct

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thoraxe:

is there a plan to do something about that?

[21:15:47]

fryfrog:

yes, the plan is to wait till someone fixes it

[21:15:59]

fryfrog:

you steppin up?

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thoraxe:

i don't think i have the coding skills to be able to do anything about it

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fryfrog:

you could reduce your font size as a temporary measure

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thoraxe:

i'd love to help any way i could, just don't think i'd be of any use at the code level

[21:20:06]

thoraxe:

well that's another thing. the font size seems to affect the programming guide only

[21:20:34]

thoraxe:

and on a 32" CRT TV that I have with this crappy video card it essentially is already illegible at the font size i am running... lol

[21:20:38]

fryfrog:

there are so many font settings in myth, i dunno which fraking one does it

[21:20:44]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

know what you mean :)

[21:20:59]

thoraxe:

i mean, that's what I get from using a parts bin puter

[21:21:42]

thoraxe:

this is like some ancient nvidia pci card, it's not even agp

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thoraxe:

and it's running a duron 750

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thoraxe:

hahaha

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Karistian:

Hi there. Anyone knows what's wrong here? "/data/mythtv-aufnahmen/nfslockfile.lock: No permission. Unable to open lockfile! Be sure that '/data/mythtv-aufnahmen' exists and that both the directory and that file are writeable by this user.". That's the log whenever I run "/etc/init.d/mythtvbackend start" as root. "ll -d mythtv-aufnahmen" shows "drwxrwxr-x 2 mythtv users 4096 3. Aug 17:26 mythtv-aufnahmen/".

[21:24:17]

robbins876:

How do you show sub-titles while watching a video on the internal player from mythvideo?

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fryfrog:

hit M for menu, rummage around?

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robbins876:

alright, i looked, but nothing looked promisisng, i'll check it out again

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robbins876:

it's not a DVD, by the way, don't know if that makes a difference in what you're insinuating

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robbins876:

nope, i see nothing... were you telling me something, or just guessing, fryfrog?

[21:29:39]

Hoxzer:

what should I do if mythtv thinks that I'm pressing button twice when I'm pressing it once with my remote

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robbins876:

hoxzer, that's an issue with lirc, iirc

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robbins876:

it makes two inputs per button press by default

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robbins876:

what does irw show?

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Hoxzer:

well, I know the problem is with lirc

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Hoxzer:

robbins876: it shows 3 inputs but that is suppose to be in some cases normal

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Hoxzer:

and lircrc should ignore repeats

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Hoxzer:

at least that's what FAQ at lirc homepage said

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robbins876:

i had the same issue, and i was told that it was that way by default, however, my mythtv only recognizes one of the clicks

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Hoxzer:

:/ yep

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Hoxzer:

The issue is with remote witch sends 3 singals instead of one

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Hoxzer:

Just to make sure that at least one of them gets to the devicde

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systemloc:

I need a infrared reciever. I know the MS MCE remote's IR reciever is supported by lirc. Will it function with a universal remote (RC5 or other), though, or do you have to use the remote it comes with?

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Dagmar:

It'll work great with an rc5 remore

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Dagmar:

Although, I must say...

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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systemloc:

awesome! I didn't want to blow money on it and find out MS used some funk and I was stuck with their remote.

[21:37:35]

robbins876:

Anyone know how to get internal player to show a .sub file while playing an avi?

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** Hoxzer found delay option which could help to solve the problem **

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robbins876:

I can't figure out this damn subtitle thing, i dont' think it's possible

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Hoxzer:

Does it even support em ? :O

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robbins876:

i found a release thing that says .20 added support of external sub files to the internal player

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robbins876:

so i think so

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Hoxzer:

oh ok

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robbins876:

whatever, i can't figure it out

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Hoxzer:

I can't understand why do I always get problems that dont seem to be fixed anywhere else in the world

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fryfrog:

what, like herpes?

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jams:

heh

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robbins876:

fryfrog, were you messing with me?

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robbins876:

i guess so...

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fryfrog:

no, Hoxzer

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robbins876:

i meant when you told me to dig around in the menu

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robbins876:

for the subtitles on a divx

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** juski hands robbins876 a spade **

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fryfrog:

OHHH

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fryfrog:

no, that was for serious

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juski:

avi is a crap container. deal with it

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fryfrog:

the internal player has the same/similar menu as all the other stuff in myth

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fryfrog:

well, of course it depends on *how* the subs are on the divx

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robbins876:

it's a .sub file

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fryfrog:

if they are hard burned in (ie, you just play the divx and they are there), you can't do anything

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fryfrog:

if there is a ... yeah, that or .srt or what ever

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robbins876:

and i want them on

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fryfrog:

humm, i'm not sure

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juski:

no idea if mythtv supports lame srt files or not

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fryfrog:

i always use my xbox with xbmc to play movies

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fryfrog:

does subs no-problemmo

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robbins876:

juski: it's not an srt, it's .sub

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juski:

robbins876: whatever

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fryfrog:

maybe you can find something to convert .sub -> .srt?

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robbins876:

I hate when that happens.

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fryfrog:

maybe you can find something to convert .sub -> .srt?

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juski:

why the hell would anybody ever wanna do this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Create_S . . . V_Recordings

[22:03:31]

juski:

I can't think of any LEGAL reason

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Hoxzer:

:P

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Hoxzer:

We dont always want to be that legal

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juski:

!trout Hoxzer leet

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** MythLogBot slaps Hoxzer with a leet trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

smells like people aiming to share content to me.

[22:05:56]

juski:

anybody can delete wiki articles.. so here goes

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juski:

we're facking crying out for good wiki articles on how to set up the damn program & people waste their time writing that shite

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xris:

heh

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juski:

impressive being able to get text out of mpeg subtitles though.. must use some OCR lifting gear

[22:10:58]

xris:

there are utilities out there.

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juski:

hahaha you have to teach the util mentioned in the wiki article

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xris:

I've messed with some in linux before.. sub/idx -> srt.. ocr doesn't have to be that smart since there's not that much text, and it's all really similar

[22:11:55]

juski:

yeah it has to be *human* readable so a machine should have no trouble

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juski:

I just mean OCR isn't just like "yeah we'll throw some of that in the code".. it's a tad more involved ;)

[22:12:33]

juski:

that's a serious commitment

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juski:

anyway robbins876 http://www.robelix.com/sub2srt/

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pretender_:

can anyone out there help with audio being choppy on recordings

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juski:

why doesn't AVI just FOAD? there's been enough of bad containers already

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juski:

pretender_: what kind of recordings?

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pretender_:

from TV mpeg

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juski:

pretender_: what kind of tuner card?

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juski:

pvr/framegrabber/digital/que ?

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pretender_:

hauppage pvr 150

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juski:

first of all do you know if it's the recording which has the choppy audio or if it's the playback which is choppy?

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systemloc:

Is there a lirc IRC channel?

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pretender_:

recordings as when i play the mpegs on my windows box i get the same resault. watching tv is fine though

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juski:

systemloc: #lirc

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Uranus:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150 MCE PCI Card with NTSC/FM Tuner <---is this any good for mythtv?

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juski:

pretender_: watching tv is the same as a scheduled recording other than one thing – the recording profile used

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systemloc:

juski: no luck

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juski:

Uranus: yes but hte FM tuner cannot be used by mythtv

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juski:

systemloc: what do you mean 'no luck' ? no answer you mean?

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Uranus:

ok

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juski:

we should lobby Hauppauge to drop the 'WinTV' part. It sucks

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systemloc:

juski: sorry, there was no one but me in the channel, and I got opped, so I'm guessing that's not the lirc chan

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juski:

systemloc: dunno then

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** systemloc bangs his head against the wall **

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pretender_:

so what can cauuse audio beeing choppy in recordings itsnot really choppy more the audio stops every couple of seconds . my specs are smepron 3000+ 412 ram nvideea 5200

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Uranus:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150 TV (NTSC) Tuner/MPEG2 Decoder PCI Card with Remote Control and IR Blaster <--that even has remote

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Uranus:

same thing, I think, just with a remote

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systemloc:

what's it cost?

[22:20:01]

Uranus:

about $95

[22:20:15]

Uranus:

$94.99, but I rounded it up lol

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juski:

pretender_: having a crappy chipset

[22:20:38]

pretender_:

what do you mean a crappy chipset

[22:20:42]

juski:

pretender_: using an old ivtv driver. you name it

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juski:

pretender_: via, or nvidia. I hear they're sometimes not good with pvr cards

[22:21:21]

pretender_:

what do you recommend

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systemloc:

Trying to find a sub $40 product available in CompUSA/BestBuy/CircuitCity that provides a USB or serial IR reciever that works with lirc :(

[22:22:30]

juski:

pretender_: come on now. if a system can't even record SDTV without messing it up, it's obviously broken – especially so since the CPU isn't even doing any encoding itself.

[22:22:41]

juski:

systemloc: MCE remote kit

[22:23:14]

juski:

pretender_: but since livetv is okay, I suggest something is wrong with your recording profile

[22:23:16]

systemloc:

juski: sadly enough, that is not available on any of those store's web-sites. I'm doubting it's in the store if it's not on the website

[22:23:29]

pretender_:

broken where i have just re built it running ubuntu 7.04

[22:23:48]

juski:

systemloc: you stand way more chance of finding an MCE remote kit than *anything* else out there

[22:24:12]

juski:

pretender_: try updating to a newer ivtv version

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Uranus:

juski: If I get an MCE remote kit, will all the buttons work with mythtv?

[22:24:31]

juski:

pretender_: test the tuner outside of mythtv to ensure it works properly in linux FIRST

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juski:

Uranus: if you set it up correctly yes

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pretender_:

ok thanks

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Uranus:

thank u

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pretender_:

c u's later

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Uranus:

juski: I'm lost, wth is the difference between this: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1427

[22:26:41]

juski:

Uranus: there are 3 options for the pvr150 card

[22:26:41]

Uranus:

and this: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1427

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juski:

the cheapest is the 'white box' OEM MCE kit, which gives you the card. no remote. no IR blaster

[22:27:00]

Uranus:

is it that little grayish box in the first one?

[22:27:20]

juski:

the middle is the Hauppauge kit – in which you get the hauppauge remote & IR blaster (IIRC)

[22:27:46]

juski:

the top of the line one is the full MCE kit in which you get a 'proper' MS MCE remote, receiver & dual port IR blaster

[22:27:57]

juski:

all this is in the channel FAQ IIRC

[22:28:25]

Uranus:

sorry. I was just confuzzled

[22:28:39]

juski:

ah no.. it'll be in the mythtv wiki then

[22:28:43]

Uranus:

I have no problem with rtfm, but I was looking at cards, not rtfm

[22:29:23]

Uranus:

so is this one prolly the best one to get: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1427

[22:29:28]

Uranus:

the one for $100 basically

[22:30:07]

juski:

Uranus: that's the top of the line model with MS MCE remote

[22:30:38]

Uranus:

yeah, there's another with the MCE remote and IR blaster too.

[22:30:48]

Uranus:

the one for like $95 or something like that

[22:30:54]

juski:

who was the retard who said the pvr150 has COMPONENT input on the wiki page?

[22:31:05]

Uranus:

the only difference, I think, is the one for $99 can handle 2 capture cards

[22:31:28]

juski:

Uranus: you mean the ir blaster has 2 ports

[22:31:50]

Uranus:

I guess. What the hell is the IR blaster. What's it look like? Is it the gray box in this picture? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1427

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Uranus:

under the remote

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Uranus:

with 2 USB cables(looks like USB anyway) coming off it

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juski:

the grey box is the receiver / box the IR blaster(s) plug into

[22:33:19]

juski:

and yeah it has USB

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Uranus:

wait, is the IR blaster the black cable to the left of the card?

[22:34:27]

juski:

I reckon so

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Uranus:

it would be nice if there was labels on the picture so I could see what everything is lol

[22:35:12]

juski:

and WHY oh WHY oh WHY has the guide illustrating the differences between pvr150 models gone?

[22:35:24]

** juski shakes his head in disgust **

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Uranus:

no tellin

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Uranus:

that picture has me confused

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juski:

what's so confusing about it?

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Uranus:

I'm trying to visualize how it all plugs together

[22:36:57]

juski:

the IR blaster plugins into the remote unit, which plugs into your machine's USB port

[22:37:08]

juski:

the card goes into a PCI socket

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juski:

ta-da!

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Uranus:

lol

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Uranus:

ok...so that black cable to the left of the card plugs into the gray box and the gray box plugs into the USB port

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juski:

Uranus: yesh

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Uranus:

ok

[22:39:21]

Uranus:

so, if I were to get a second card

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Uranus:

all I'd need is the card and a cable splitter

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juski:

in theory, yeah

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Uranus:

I'd prolly need another remote though too

[22:40:23]

Uranus:

I don't know, maybe not

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Uranus:

for the client I'd need a card with tv out

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Uranus:

correct?

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juski:

you only need a remote on the client (frontend). a backend doing recording from cable or satellite box may need an IR blaster though

[22:45:38]

juski:

and if you wanna output to a TV, you need a suitable means of getting video to it, yes

[22:46:09]

juski:

that doesn't always mean you need a VGA card with a TV out. your TV may have DVI or VGA, for example

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Aval0n:

juski sorry I had to leave earlier, did you ever give me an aswer on what speed machine I would need for a front end to receive streaming mpeg2 HD recordings?

[22:47:36]

juski:

Aval0n: I don't know. you should read the wiki though

[22:47:45]

Aval0n:

i looked there first

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Aval0n:

lemme look again

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juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV#Playing_HDTV

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Aval0n:

nice...

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Aval0n:

thx

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juski:

little tip for ya.. searching the wiki for the actual terms you want to find, often helps. I searched on 'hdtv;

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** Aval0n hangs head in shame **

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juski:

that took me to http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HDTV where I clicked on http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV

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Aval0n:

you're going for tears aren't ya?

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** Aval0n cries tears of embarrasment **

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Aval0n:

lolz

[22:51:45]

Aval0n:

thanks for taking the time to find that for me

[22:51:49]

Aval0n:

I was just clicking the links

[22:51:52]

Aval0n:

via hardware

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Aval0n:

then motherboard

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Aval0n:

cpu whatnot

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Aval0n:

I didn't run the actual search command

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juski:

I pity the weak :-P

[22:52:16]

Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

what is going to happen when zap2it goes away

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Aval0n:

or whatever that guide providing service is called

[22:52:56]

Aval0n:

something new in the works?

[22:53:01]

juski:

the world will end

[22:53:03]

Aval0n:

lol

[22:53:19]

juski:

JFRTCT !

[22:53:24]

Aval0n:

?

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jams:

Aval0n- don't laugh he's not joking

[22:53:31]

juski:

the last 4 letters mean 'read the channel topic'

[22:53:31]

Aval0n:

ok

[22:53:44]

Anduin:

Aval0n: There is, no real details are known currently.

[22:54:18]

juski:

it's pretty safe to say that whatever happens come 1st sept. we'll all be just fine here in the UK :-P

[22:55:12]

juski:

just kidding. I'm sure the 'powers that be' will do you guys proud

[22:55:22]

juski:

pending lawyer involvement etc

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SiD3WiNDR:

mmh

[22:56:12]

SiD3WiNDR:

good idea.

[22:56:33]

SiD3WiNDR:

noone came up with the idea of sueing (sp?) zap2it for the discontinuement (eh?) of their service? :P

[22:56:55]

xris:

SiD3WiNDR: that'd have been a REALLY good idea...

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juski:

a class action lawsuit wouldn't do you any favours

[22:57:25]

** xris goes back to coding the aforementioned solution **

[22:57:27]

SiD3WiNDR:

=)

[22:57:44]

SiD3WiNDR:

I'm just positioning myself in the stereotypical american brainspace :>

[22:57:51]

Anduin:

Aval0n: A safe assumption is a pay solution with data as good as what we currently have which will force the resurrection of a free solution. You can not worry, or you can contribute to those useless threads on the -users list.

[22:57:58]

juski:

how many other times have there been cases where someone's gone "hey! that thing he was giving away – he's stopped doing it & now I'm upset" & they won? ;)

[22:58:35]

Anduin:

juski: Giving? They force us to answer blank surveys!

[22:58:40]

juski:

Anduin: how does the last part of the 1st sentence work?

[22:59:14]

juski:

am I too evil to see the psychology/business practise behind it?

[22:59:44]

Anduin:

juski: A free XMLTV grabber will happen

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xris:

juski: on a bright note, out of all of this, we're hoping to be able to get some money to help support mythtv/xmltv development, etc.

[23:00:00]

xris:

Anduin: several already have.

[23:00:26]

xris:

even a decent one, which unfortunately hacks into yahoo's TMS feed (which won't go into xmltv because it violates yahoo's agreement)

[23:00:43]

juski:

xris: yeah well my funding has run out ;)

[23:00:51]

xris:

SD should work pretty well if I can ever get this account management stuff finished

[23:01:00]

juski:

need a fresh cash injection

[23:01:08]

xris:

unlike rmeden, I don't have 140 vacation days saved up

[23:01:19]

juski:

140 days? woof

[23:01:37]

juski:

I think I still have 20 to take this year.

[23:01:41]

Anduin:

Usually those sort of number force HR to revise their limit.

[23:01:59]

juski:

I can carry 5 over, max

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xris:

juski: I get 13 total...

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xris:

plus 5 saved from last year

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xris:

only major thing that annoys me about my current job.

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Uranus:

shit

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Uranus:

how bad is a via chipset with the ivtv drivers?

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juski:

Uranus: not all via chipsets have issues. all my backends have run on via chipsets – kt133 & kt-something-or-other-I-can't-remember

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juski:

Uranus: you might have to play with PCI latency in a worst-case scenario

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juski:

xris: only 13?! jees

[23:10:24]

xris:

juski: and 7 holidays

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xris:

but yeah, we're about 5days/year below the std

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juski:

that's bad.

[23:10:53]

xris:

yeah

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Uranus:

ok, I'll try to look around on the ivtv website for chipsets that have problems and compare them with my chipset

[23:11:18]

juski:

no big surprise so many people in the US don't hold passports- they don't have time to go anywhere

[23:11:31]

fxfitz:

Does anyone know what happened to MythBuntu? I have updates to install, but it doesn't seem like I can connect to the server.

[23:11:54]

juski:

Uranus: stuff I've heard about via & nvidia chipsets is only hearsay, and I've yet to personally experience trouble with a Via chipset (touch wood)

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Uranus:

ok

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xris:

juski: well, that and we don't need passports to go to the close countries.

[23:12:38]

xris:

at least, not until next year.

[23:12:51]

pat_:

juski, payment done. my wife made me wait till I was sober :)

[23:12:54]

juski:

my own feeling about the whole via chipset myth (my words) is that it's more cheap motherboards to blame, since they tend to use via chipsets (think PCCHips etc)

[23:13:10]

juski:

pat_: it's not unappreciated. thanks :)

[23:13:23]

juski:

and I said that without even looking

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pat_:

go buy some wine and have a nice evening with your wife :)

[23:14:12]

juski:

cheers, pat_ :D

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juski:

my wife's generally like "oh no – not another mythtv theme!" whenever she sees me with a graphic editor open on my desktop

[23:17:53]

juski:

I really like how she raves about mythtv to her workmates though, despite her protestations at home that she 'can't work it'. Yeah she can't work it so badly she can schedule all her own recordings & arrange her own music playlist. riiiiight

[23:18:26]

juski:

we should set up a 'mythtv-widows' channel

[23:19:56]

juski:

hmmm ENOJACKDANIELS

[23:21:38]

Uranus:

haha, your wife sounds funny

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pat_:

my wife brings her friends around to brag about her mythtv setup

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Uranus:

cool

[23:22:30]

Uranus:

when I get mythtv set up

[23:22:34]

Uranus:

I'll brag about it too

[23:22:35]

Uranus:

;)

[23:22:45]

Uranus:

I ain't got a wife to do my braggin for me

[23:22:46]

juski:

whenever it crashes (very rare that it does) I find it a bit annoying, but we both console ourselves that at least we've never lost ALL our recordings on a regular basis

[23:22:50]

Uranus:

I'll have to do it myself ;)

[23:23:18]

pat_:

there'd be a substantial donation for whoever got softpad into trunk, or the equivalent features

[23:23:28]

Uranus:

how often would you say mythtv crashes?

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juski:

she does that too – she says she can't work it, but when her friends are round it's a big show-off session. "hey look I can watch all the soaps in like half the time"

[23:23:52]

pat_:

not from just me, but from a few friends of mine around the burbs

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juski:

Uranus: can't put a number on it. not very often. it's WAY more reliable than MCE or any commercially available DVR by the look of it

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Uranus:

awesome

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juski:

and that's even with the amount of unfixed bugs in trac

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Uranus:

you can do pip only if you have 2 tuner cards right?

[23:24:40]

Uranus:

or a dual tuner

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juski:

Uranus: or more, yeah

[23:25:03]

Uranus:

ok

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juski:

by not using livetv, I've saved enough time to help countless people with their setups, and make 8 themes

[23:25:17]

Uranus:

so would that be on the frontend or backend?

[23:25:38]

Uranus:

i'm leaning toward the front end

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juski:

a tuner isn't much use to a frontend

[23:25:52]

Uranus:

no?

[23:25:58]

Uranus:

so I'd put it on the backend then?

[23:25:59]

juski:

look up 'executive overview' in the wiki

[23:26:08]

Uranus:

I'm still on the 'documentation'

[23:26:16]

Uranus:

I'm going to read that all the way through first

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juski:

the 'frontend' is what you actually see & use. it's the menus & the player etc

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juski:

the backend is the brains of the operation, doing all the recording, scheduling etc

[23:27:21]

juski:

the frontend just tells the backend what to do

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Uranus:

so I wouldn't need anything but a tv-out card or a vga to tv type converter

[23:28:05]

Uranus:

on the frontend i mean

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juski:

Uranus: if you're only gonna be running SDTV, a nvidia fx5200 or so will do you. tv out over svideo & composite is nice, about the same Q. as a standalone DVD player

[23:28:51]

juski:

don't even think about ATI

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Uranus:

they suck?

[23:29:04]

juski:

their linux drivers do

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Uranus:

ok

[23:29:36]

juski:

nvidia's best drivers are all closed source binary blobs but at least they work most of the time quite effortlessly

[23:29:48]

Uranus:

bad ass

[23:30:06]

Uranus:

Is there a way I could make my personal computer the frontend

[23:30:31]

Uranus:

but have the frontent on my personal computer running through vmware on a vista/xp computer?

[23:30:42]

juski:

nah that'd suck

[23:30:56]

Uranus:

what about having the backend/frontend on the same box

[23:31:02]

juski:

that's fine

[23:31:24]

juski:

the killer part about mythtv is the whole fact it's so unrestricted

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Uranus:

cause, I won't have enough boxes to do it

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juski:

you can have multiple frontends & backends

[23:31:41]

juski:

there's no theoretical limit

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Uranus:

could a 1 ghz athlon with 512 mb of ram be able to handle the frontend/backend?

[23:32:13]

juski:

if you use a hardware encoding tuner card yeah

[23:32:28]

juski:

I wouldn't recommend you go for a Via EPIA board though

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Uranus:

ok. I intend on getting the hauppage stuff I showed you

[23:32:50]

Uranus:

you mean mb?

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juski:

Via EPIA are a waste of money. I should know – I use one as my frontend

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Uranus:

EPIA?

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juski:

all-in-one boards in a small form factor

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** Hoxzer noticed that cable provider might be hiding .. you know what kind of channel **

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Uranus:

oh

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juski:

mini-itx, nano-itx etc

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Hoxzer:

They are only proadcasting at 0–2am

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Hoxzer:

so it needs to be scanned at that time

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Uranus:

ok that's good

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juski:

Uranus: don't even go there. the money you'd spend on one of those would be better spent on *proper& hardware

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Uranus:

ok

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juski:

with modern CPUs & a good heatsink it's not too hard to make a quiet system these days

[23:35:47]

Uranus:

how could I tell if I have one of those boards?

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Aval0n:

anyone here using a 7300gs with hdmi?

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juski:

for me the big advantage in splitting the frontend & backend was that I can have a nice big ugly loud box upstairs & a nice small quiet diskless frontend under my TV. much cheaper than trying to build a small, quiet combined machine

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xris:

anyone have thoughts on how to use mencoder/ffmpeg to convert between container formats? (e.g. take an avi and convert it to mp4 to play on an ipod, without reencoding)

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juski:

xris: -Xcodec copy ?

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xris:

juski: in mencoder?

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juski:

xris: ffmpeg

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juski:

e.g. -vcodec copy -acodec copy

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juski:

dunno if it'll go between containers though

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xris:

juski: thx. will find out.

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Aval0n:

I'm sure no one can answer this for sure, but I ordered a msi 7300gs card with hdmi. A lot of ppl complain that to get hdmi working you have to not plug in the hdmi cable until after windows is loaded, do you guys think that MIGHT happen with X?

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juski:

Aval0n: it MIGHT happen. who knows. try it

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juski:

I suspect not though. Linux is way cooler than windows for stuff like that

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Aval0n:

i don't have the card yet or the rest of the components

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Aval0n:

juski I thought so too

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juski:

depends if it's down to the VGA BIOS or the OS really

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Aval0n:

I love how you can pump the spdif to the vid card to carry audio

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juski:

Aval0n: and don't forget that windows limitation could very well have more to do with HDCP than anything else ;)

[23:40:02]

Aval0n:

true that

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Aval0n:

I love linux

[23:40:14]

Aval0n:

ubuntu is owning for a gui

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Aval0n:

they way gnoe works with compiz is just amazing

[23:40:27]

Aval0n:

gnome*

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Aval0n:

the package manger

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juski:

went to see Die Hard 4.0 tonight. all the haxx0r stuff was linux shells

[23:40:36]

Aval0n:

ahhh sweetness

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Aval0n:

juski don't you love that?

[23:40:55]

Aval0n:

when they are semi-realistic with it

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juski:

Aval0n: mythtv doesn't mix with composite desktops very well – be warned

[23:41:00]

Aval0n:

like in matrix they used nmap

[23:41:10]

Aval0n:

juski I hear ya

[23:41:23]

Aval0n:

I don'

[23:41:36]

Aval0n:

i don't plan on using the HTPC for much more than just myth

[23:41:46]

juski:

fave dialogue clip "you took out a helicopter with a car" "what can I say I'd run out of bullets" :D

[23:41:49]

Aval0n:

maybe surfing the web or occasionally playing wow

[23:42:07]

Aval0n:

i heard that movie was good

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juski:

nah it was fluff & exploding helicopters. a good romp & workout for my subs

[23:43:11]

juski:

enjoyable all the same though

[23:43:19]

juski:

unlike "The Simpsons".

[23:43:42]

Aval0n:

yeah

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Aval0n:

simpsons did not flow well at ALL

[23:44:00]

Aval0n:

I found my self looking at my watch more than once

[23:44:14]

Aval0n:

when a movie feels long.... you know it's not great

[23:44:20]

Aval0n:

lotr trilogy didn't seem long to me

[23:44:27]

Aval0n:

cause I enjoyed them the whole time.

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juski:

lol.

[23:44:39]

juski:

I felt my nails growing during those films

[23:44:45]

Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

man I want my myth setup up soo bad

[23:45:19]

Aval0n:

just gotta order some stuff

[23:45:22]

Aval0n:

then the hard part begins

[23:45:24]

Uranus:

i felt that way about Harry Potter and the order of the phoenix

[23:45:24]

Aval0n:

I know

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Aval0n:

I m gonna get stuck on the software

[23:45:33]

Uranus:

it wasn't as good as I expected. I was a little disappointed

[23:45:41]

Aval0n:

I havn't seen that movie

[23:45:49]

Aval0n:

I lost interest in the potter franchise...

[23:46:11]

Uranus:

how come?

[23:46:41]

Aval0n:

I dunno for sure

[23:46:44]

Aval0n:

hard to pin point

[23:46:53]

Aval0n:

just found myself getting turned off by the last couple films

[23:46:57]

Aval0n:

they were good

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Aval0n:

but just seemed to be getting less and less enjoyable

[23:47:19]

Aval0n:

i dunno just me being weird probably

[23:47:27]

Aval0n:

too many movies maybe?

[23:47:30]

Aval0n:

I dunno

[23:47:33]

Uranus:

dunno

[23:47:43]

Uranus:

I've liked them all up to this last one

[23:47:48]

Uranus:

I didn't care much for this last one

[23:47:55]

Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

just like the matrix for me

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Uranus:

emma watson is getting fuckin hot

[23:48:06]

Aval0n:

matrix 1 was probably my fav movie of all tiem

[23:48:16]

Aval0n:

then I forced myself to like 2 and 3

[23:48:18]

xris:

Uranus: really? I was thinking just the opposite

[23:48:25]

Aval0n:

but they got all philisophical with it

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Aval0n:

and took the mystery out of it

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xris:

she used to be cute. now she just looks british. ;) (no offense to juski)

[23:48:43]

Uranus:

xris: that's probably cause you're a pedophile lol

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Aval0n:

lol

[23:49:27]

xris:

Uranus: I'll ignore the tasteless insult.. more like "potential for hotness" -> "avg british looks"

[23:49:40]

Uranus:

i was just fuckin with ya anyway

[23:49:56]

Uranus:

I saw an opportunity to poke fun and i took it lol

[23:50:07]

Aval0n:

we were all thinking it

[23:50:09]

Aval0n:

he just said it

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Aval0n:

lol

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Uranus:

lol

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xris:

laga: english name is "yur-un-us"

[23:51:01]

Uranus:

Your anus

[23:51:02]

xris:

"YUR-un-us"

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Aval0n:

nice host

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Uranus:

eins

[23:51:34]

Uranus:

swi

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Uranus:

drei

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Uranus:

haha

[23:51:52]

Uranus:

god that's been a hundred years ago. I took german in 5th grade

[23:52:02]

Aval0n:

bill.gates.microsoft.com -> 38.96.193.177

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Aval0n:

:P

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laga:

xris: i just want to get it out of my head ;)

[23:52:18]

juski:

well, I'd prolly prefer any woman to look 'british' than to have the high foreheaded vacant look of Paris Hilton ;)

[23:52:28]

Aval0n:

ewww

[23:52:36]

Aval0n:

paris is teh nasty

[23:52:42]

directhex:

indeed

[23:52:44]

Uranus:

I'd still fuck her

[23:52:49]

juski:

lol

[23:52:50]

Uranus:

if, for nothing else, her money

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directhex:

ick

[23:53:06]

directhex:

there are things i'd do for money, and people i wouldn't

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Uranus:

lol

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** laga assumes fetal position **

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xris:

juski: can't argue with that... though I think it's the combined lack of a:muscle and b:ANY body fat that kill that deal.

[23:53:28]

Uranus:

she looks anorexic

[23:53:35]

directhex:

indeed

[23:53:36]

xris:

Uranus: probably for good reason

[23:53:40]

Uranus:

or however that's spelled. I prolly butchered the spelling

[23:53:42]

juski:

and the eyes.. there's nothing going on behind them at all

[23:53:51]

directhex:

anorexia (well, smack addiction) isn't sexy

[23:54:11]

Uranus:

no, not sexy, but smack is very profitable

[23:54:13]

juski:

I know Cameron Diaz isn't renowned for her cerebral abilities but hey..

[23:54:36]

directhex:

if you want a celebrity for her brains, what choice do you have?

[23:54:45]

directhex:

erm, carol vorderman? O_o

[23:54:58]

juski:

anyway when you get to my age there's more to sexy than 'perfect' boobs & a good body

[23:55:01]

Uranus:

I would have so hit Jennifer Garner

[23:55:17]

directhex:

juski, well, duh

[23:55:49]

juski:

looked at the myspaz page of the club where i used to work, today. ZOMG!

[23:55:53]

juski:

I want my old job back

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laga:

juski: experience in elderly care?

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juski:

rofl

[23:56:19]

Uranus:

hey now. Old ppl need love too

[23:56:22]

juski:

you're sick, laga – you know that?

[23:56:47]

laga:

juski: well, *i* am still young :)

[23:56:52]

juski:

there's a character in 'little britain' with a thing about 'olds'.. stomach churning

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Uranus:

I'm tellin ya

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laga:

well, i meant that *she* has to have such experience ;)

[23:58:13]

Uranus:

those 50 somethings can do things to you that you've probably never had done to you before

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laga:

Uranus: this channel is logged... keep talking ;)

[23:58:36]

Uranus:

lol

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Uranus:

sure, blame it all on me

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juski:

I'm frankly surprised I've never ended up on bash.org but hey carry on

[23:58:58]

Uranus:

lol

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Uranus:

I have once

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Uranus:

My away message said something like, "tornado, bbl"

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Uranus:

then lightening took out the power and I timed out

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