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[00:13:33] Grecko: Hey all. Question for ya – what would be the required bandwidth between two hosts such that host A runs the backend and the frontend, but the frontend is displayed on host B, using basic X forwarding?
[00:14:19] mchou: Grecko: why would you want to do that?
[00:14:35] mchou: just run mythfrontend on B and you're done
[00:14:44] Slyboots: damn, EIT data sucks
[00:14:56] Slyboots: Massive gaps, but I cant for the life of me get the RT grabber to work
[00:15:17] Grecko: I have a thin client thats insufficient to run mythfrontend.
[00:15:18] mchou: Grecko: no excessive bandwidth necessary
[00:16:14] inahole: That's badass
[00:16:15] mchou: Grecko: lol, and you think it would have enough juice to run rdp?
[00:16:24] Grecko: I would have thought that a regular wireless G connection would be enough, but apparently not.
[00:16:40] fryfrog: I could see it doing X okay, but what about video overlay?
[00:16:44] inahole: very far from the access point/router
[00:16:55] mchou: Grecko: G is barely enough to run mythfrontend
[00:17:06] fryfrog: I know when ever I do remote access (vnc, rdp, X forwarding), video is usually the only thing that sucks balls
[00:17:08] mchou: Grecko: never mind rdp
[00:17:09] Grecko: Can't you just use DISPLAY=blah on the server to run it without anything special on the thin client?
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[00:18:21] fryfrog: Grecko: I think that'd help with CPU usage, but I dunno how video playback would do
[00:18:25] fryfrog: can't hurt to try, no?
[00:18:52] fryfrog: I think I'd go with a beefier front end, how hard is it to find something that'll play back SD (or HD for that matter)
[00:19:21] Grecko: But... I want TV on my toughbook :P
[00:19:27] inahole: One time I was looking for vnc software for *nix or bsd
[00:19:37] mchou: wtf is a toughbook?
[00:19:52] Grecko: A panasonic laptop thats pretty much undestroyable :)
[00:19:57] inahole: I found a pretty decent one that said that there wasn't much resource overhead to run it, but I never tried it
[00:20:28] Grecko: Waterproof keyboard, waterproof screen housing, waterproof hard drive enclosure, fully metal case, and metal covers for every port.
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[00:20:57] inahole: I could destroy it
[00:21:02] mchou: Grecko: where you live? in the arctic?
[00:21:02] inahole: give me 5 minutes with it
[00:22:31] mchou: Grecko: anyway, I'd forget about using X forwarding or anything like that
[00:22:38] fryfrog: Grecko: water proof to what depth, do you know?
[00:22:41] Grecko: inahole: Undestroyable in normal circumstances.
[00:22:47] mchou: Grecko: be totally unwatchable
[00:22:48] fryfrog: and what cpu/ram has it got?
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[00:23:13] Grecko: fryfrog: The hard drive case is extremely waterproof, but the rest I think is just enough for a short immersion to maybe a couple feet.
[00:23:36] inahole: lol oh..'normal.'
[00:24:02] fryfrog: ah, gotcha
[00:24:09] fryfrog: neat
[00:25:06] inahole: somone told me that for SD you don't need a very high powered frontend
[00:25:16] inahole: I wish I could say who
[00:25:22] inahole: can't remember
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[00:27:04] inahole: he told me you could run the frontend on an xbox
[00:28:01] fryfrog: you don't, and you can
[00:28:09] fryfrog: Grecko: you never told us what the specs are
[00:28:25] fryfrog: anything with ~500mhz and 128mb ram *should* be able to do SD playback
[00:28:35] fryfrog: 1ghz would be nicer, 256mb maybe
[00:28:56] fryfrog: I *know* an amd athlon 1600+ will do it no problemo
[00:29:23] mchou: for SD 800Mhz would be enough. I've done it b4
[00:29:46] Grecko: Its a PIII 600mhz with 384mb ram
[00:29:48] mchou: and there are no "side effects" like pauses or whatnot
[00:31:10] inahole: would his specs do it?
[00:31:15] inahole: looks reasonably close
[00:31:29] fryfrog: it'd be border line. i'd bet on it working, but i wouldn't be a lot of money :)
[00:31:39] fryfrog: especially if you make it a front end only
[00:31:48] Grecko: Its definitely a front end only
[00:32:24] inahole: well, try it and see
[00:32:39] Grecko: If it doesn't work, I'll get back to trying to build a web frontend thats got streaming capabilities again.
[00:32:42] inahole: worst that can happen is it won't work
[00:32:58] Grecko: Installing now...
[00:33:04] inahole: coolio
[00:33:12] fryfrog: Grecko: if it doesn't work well, you could reduce the cpu load by *recording* your SD content at a lower resolution and/or sample rate
[00:33:27] fryfrog: assuming you *only* want to watch on that device and nothing else
[00:33:52] Grecko: No, but I could use something like VLC to encode it to a lower resolution on the fly.
[00:34:11] Grecko: My backend machine isn't the greatest beast, but it does have some power. My laptop also should be able to do it no problems.
[00:34:43] inahole: cool
[00:34:49] inahole: I need to get a capture card
[00:35:08] inahole: my last one tanked(my fault really) before I could use mythtv
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[00:36:12] inahole: I'm awaiting a new case for this computer
[00:38:45] Grecko: Well, it takes a while to go from the menu to actually showing a recorded program, and its fairly choppy once it gets going, but at least its playing – its a start, anyhow.
[00:39:51] pat_: so our latest project of a 720x576 SDTV dvb frontend on a p3–666 doesn't sound like it is going to work?
[00:40:02] mchou: !seen ShockValue
[00:40:02] MythLogBot: ShockValue was last seen 10 days 10 hours 19 minutes 22 seconds ago
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[00:40:09] cornell: Hello again
[00:40:30] Grecko: But then again, it could be a congestion on the network... too bad I don't have another machine that can act as a frontend....
[00:40:47] inahole: how far away from the router are you?
[00:41:03] pat_: you could plug in a cable if you are worried about the network
[00:41:07] Grecko: My laptop doesn't have the RandR extension on the X server, so I can't use it as a frontend...
[00:41:13] pat_: that'd solve that problem easily
[00:41:22] Grecko: Halfway, yeah
[00:41:29] pat_: at least for testing
[00:41:43] Grecko: Its still a wireless link from the wireless router to the backend.
[00:41:52] pat_: erk
[00:42:16] inahole: how far is the backend from the router?
[00:42:26] Grecko: (A WRT54G running OpenWRT acting as a wired->wireless brige... I never did get around to putting in a new cable).
[00:42:44] Grecko: Maybe 50 feet, but down a floor.
[00:42:48] Grecko: Sorry, 30 feet.
[00:43:24] inahole: anyway you could move the backend closer to the router and hook it up directly to the router with a cable?
[00:43:30] inahole: any way, not anyway
[00:44:30] Grecko: No.
[00:44:30] ** Slyboots grrs **
[00:44:46] Slyboots: Right, Im trying to edit the Channel lineup by hand
[00:44:52] Slyboots: But how do I *delete* a channel from the list
[00:45:00] Slyboots: I can only seem to delete all the channels at once
[00:45:03] Grecko: The backend is my home theater PC, I'd really rather not unhook the many many cables coming out of it.
[00:45:19] inahole: ok
[00:45:23] mchou: wow, 1TB external storage for $250
[00:45:23] inahole: well, dunno then
[00:45:28] mchou: crazy
[00:45:32] Grecko: Slyboots: Remove the entry from the database?
[00:45:33] inahole: where?
[00:45:37] mchou: it's usb, lol
[00:45:42] Grecko: inahole: Eh, no worries. Thanks anyhow.
[00:45:42] inahole: 2?
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[00:45:54] Grecko: inahole: Maybe once I get my theater finished I'll wire in an ethernet cable.
[00:45:55] Slyboots: What? by altering the SQL?
[00:46:07] inahole: cool, well, try that, see what happens
[00:46:11] Grecko: Slyboots: Well, I assume by hand you mean by direct SQL statements, no?
[00:46:28] mchou: who care ift it's usb 2, usb by definition is unreliable
[00:46:28] Slyboots: Im editing it via the Mythtv-setup dialog
[00:46:45] mchou: if it had firewire I'd jump on it
[00:46:59] inahole: true
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[00:47:40] inahole: My sandisk was USB and it worked pretty well until I broke the USB connector off it.
[00:47:57] Slyboots: I dont even know where the channel infomation is kept in the SQL database
[00:47:57] mchou: inahole: it's not about the connector.
[00:48:12] inahole: well, I know. I'm saying it worked well until I broke it.
[00:48:20] mchou: usb resets wreaks havok on storage
[00:48:35] Grecko: I've had two USB keys stolen from me in the last month. I think I'll buy a hard drive next – little larger and harder for someone to sneak away :P
[00:48:44] inahole: heh
[00:49:00] inahole: I never had a problem with that. Although, I haven't used USB storage often
[00:49:11] mchou: Grecko: stolen? more likely you lot them
[00:49:35] inahole: mainly as a means of saving anti-virus and adware fighting crap on it to take to remote locations on support calls
[00:49:40] mchou: that's like sayoing someone stole your MMC card from your camera
[00:49:49] mchou: saying*
[00:50:08] Grecko: No. First one I was at a conference, my laptop was being used for all the presentations, I set it up, put the key in, went to the back to run sound, I come to the front and its gone.
[00:50:42] mchou: Grecko: then top using you laptop for everyone :)
[00:50:46] mchou: stop*
[00:50:47] Grecko: Second one we we're transfering photos between a few laptops, someone literally came, picked it up, and walked off with it.
[00:51:01] inahole: haha. Rival company stole it to fish information off it about their competitor.
[00:51:09] mchou: Grecko: where was this?
[00:51:43] mchou: Grecko: next time use a lanyard
[00:51:49] Grecko: The lobby of the residence we were staying in. We we're both focused on the screen, thought it was someone grabbing it to put their photos on it.
[00:52:08] mchou: much harder for ppl to rip off when it;'s attached to your neck :)
[00:52:34] Grecko: Tough to work on your laptop when your neck is attatched to its USB port :P
[00:52:50] inahole: ever tried it?
[00:52:53] mchou: Grecko: so you actually know the person who took it?
[00:52:54] Grecko: Yep
[00:52:56] inahole: oh
[00:52:59] inahole: damn
[00:53:00] Grecko: mchou: No.
[00:53:34] mchou: Grecko: then I dont understand this part: "...thought it was someone grabbing it to put their photos on it."
[00:53:45] Grecko: A lanyard is meant to hang above your belt line. When you sit, your laptop is at your belt line, pretty much. The USB port is then usually 10 inches out from your waist.
[00:53:58] Grecko: So you'd have to really scrunch over.
[00:53:58] mchou: Grecko: huh??
[00:54:10] mchou: lanyard attaches to yor neck
[00:54:15] Grecko: Yeah
[00:54:22] fryfrog: We had a guy "draft" into the building I used to work at, the then eventually walked out with like 15 laptops. The dude who let him draft in was fired.
[00:54:44] Grecko: And whatevers on the end of it hangs down in front of you from your neck
[00:54:50] cornell: Updgraded my knoppmyth last evening... now I can't get connected to the database. One and only mythbox, front and back ends. mysql.txt has DBHostName localhost. mysql mythconverg.settings table entries for Backend and Master ServerIP is correct. (although hostname is mythtv and NULL, respectively) /etc/hostname is mythtv. Any ideas...
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[00:54:54] mchou: fryfrog: huh? where do you work?
[00:55:06] fryfrog: did, it was an energy compny
[00:55:17] fryfrog: he had to get through several security doors to do it
[00:55:34] mchou: fryfrog: you the guy that got fired? :)
[00:55:40] Grecko: I've seen that. At our high school, two guys walked in with dirty coveralls, PDAs, and fake nametags, told the secretary they were their to upgrade the servers. Secretary went to check on them an hour later, they (and all the servers) were long gone.
[00:55:44] cornell: Oh, and... I'm getting database errors when I try mythfrontend in a terminal... 'No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." etc.
[00:56:04] fryfrog: ouch
[00:56:07] fryfrog: mchou: ahahha
[00:56:27] fryfrog: mchou: luckily, no. i worked overnight and *never* left the building, so no one could "draft" me back in :)
[00:56:54] Grecko: cornell: Can you check the mysql is running?
[00:57:09] mchou: anyway, how do ppl just walk out with servers?
[00:57:26] fryfrog: they just... walk out with them, i imagine
[00:57:29] cornell: Mysql is running, version 4.0.22... I can get in, look at mythconverg, etc.
[00:57:38] Grecko: mchou: They get a van thats got a big IT services sticker on it, back it up to the library delivery door, and start walking.
[00:57:45] fryfrog: people don't care, unless the server's "master" noticed, i doubt anyone woudl stop them
[00:57:46] mchou: fryfrog: umm, no. it's called an escort
[00:57:49] Grecko: cornell: Can you get in with the mythtv account?
[00:57:55] cornell: Grecko, and it's knoppmyth
[00:57:58] fryfrog: mchou: at a *highschool*?
[00:58:01] cornell: Grecko: Yes
[00:58:05] inahole: cause everybody but IT is stupid
[00:58:06] fryfrog: I could see that at say, a real data center :)
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[00:58:23] kormoc: fryfrog, any location with servers *is* a data center :P
[00:58:30] fryfrog: no, that isn't true
[00:58:36] inahole: I have 2 servers
[00:58:41] inahole: the only data I store is warez
[00:58:44] Grecko: Our schools IT motto was "Slipping IT to you"...
[00:58:44] fryfrog: any location with servers that isn't a data center is just a location with servers
[00:58:55] fryfrog: ahahhaha, slipping IT to you :)
[00:58:55] inahole: lol @ Gecko
[00:59:07] kormoc: fryfrog, which is a center (being a location) with data (the drives in a server)
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[00:59:14] Grecko: Admittedly, he stole it from BOFH, but its still good :P
[00:59:28] Grecko: kormoc: So any location with a computer is a data center :P
[00:59:32] inahole: lol I love BOFH
[00:59:37] kormoc: Grecko, indeed :P
[00:59:37] fryfrog: okay, maybe in your sense... but not in a technical, this is the definition of a "class 1" or "class 2" data center
[00:59:42] Grecko: kormoc: Or really, and location with people, paper, or a computer is a data center.
[00:59:53] kormoc: Sure, lots of data to spread around
[01:00:02] Grecko: Well, maybe not if theirs just people, but....
[01:00:04] Grecko: :P
[01:00:13] kormoc: Data in the *brain*!
[01:00:46] fryfrog: kormoc: only in *some* cases :)
[01:01:01] cornell: Any ideas, Grecko?
[01:01:02] inahole: too few have that data kormoc
[01:01:22] inahole: I'm surprised some people can even tie their shoes
[01:01:42] kormoc: They might be Einsteins!
[01:01:59] inahole: Hmm...
[01:02:25] inahole: Nah, Einstein was only a quarter mentally retarded
[01:04:14] inahole: i hate my job
[01:04:26] kormoc: inahole, www.dice.com
[01:04:38] thoraxe: is there an easy way to tell what version of ivtv i have installed?
[01:05:14] inahole: if this is one of those things that pops up "i'm looking at gay porn" I'll kill you
[01:05:27] cornell: Anybody?
[01:05:53] inahole: nope, cool.
[01:06:02] inahole: My problem is I can't afford to relocate
[01:06:09] inahole: there's no IT anywhere around me.
[01:06:14] inahole: I live in Oklahomo
[01:06:55] inahole: There's only 2 states more poor than Oklahoma.
[01:07:00] inahole: Oklahomo sucks ass
[01:07:07] inahole: full of fuckin inbred rednecks
[01:09:24] cornell: Is there a setup program I can run (mythtv-setup also fails, can't open the database) ?
[01:09:24] inahole: Bunch of red-state marriage-hyping bible thumpers
[01:10:05] Beirdo: inahole, jeez, calm yer hormones.
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[01:10:13] inahole: Dude, move to Oklahoma
[01:10:24] inahole: only when you have lived there for 25 years can you even relate
[01:10:33] Beirdo: hell no, but calm yourself anyways
[01:10:44] inahole: lol exactly
[01:10:45] kormoc: cornell, edit your mysql.txt and point it to the correct location, or read the wiki or official install docs
[01:10:47] inahole: that's my point entirely
[01:10:55] inahole: oklahomo sucks.
[01:11:01] Beirdo: I'll stay in Puerto Rico, thanks
[01:11:19] inahole: If I could afford it, I'd probably be somewhere else too
[01:11:30] Beirdo: start walkin
[01:11:50] inahole: hmmm
[01:11:53] inahole: not a great idea
[01:12:03] Beirdo: having to stay somewhere you don't like really does suck, but how is that mythtv's fault? :)
[01:12:12] kormoc: Sure it is. Humanity walked when they wanted to be somewhere else for a long time
[01:12:33] inahole: that was before they figured out how to use gas powered automobiles
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[01:12:36] cornell: I've tried DBHostName=127.0.0.1 and localhost in mysql.txt... how else would I call the local machine?
[01:12:46] Beirdo: walking's cheaper.
[01:12:52] kormoc: not always true, lots of people still walk
[01:12:56] fryfrog: your mom is cheaper
[01:13:13] inahole: yeah, she gives good deals on bj's
[01:13:16] inahole: :p
[01:13:28] Beirdo: OK, children...
[01:13:43] inahole: heh
[01:13:51] fryfrog: i have coupons for bjs!
[01:13:55] fryfrog: and a membership
[01:13:56] ** kormoc gets out the topic stick and looks at fryfrog **
[01:14:19] inahole: haha beat someone into submission
[01:14:34] Beirdo: !trout inahole perpetually off topic
[01:14:34] ** MythLogBot slaps inahole with a perpetually off topic trout on behalf of Beirdo... **
[01:14:44] inahole: shit, it's on
[01:14:51] fryfrog: HELP HELP, I'M BEING REPRESED! COME SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERINT IN THE SYSTEM!
[01:15:07] inahole: slap me bitch, fuck is your malfunctins
[01:15:22] Beirdo: cut it out already.
[01:15:30] ** inahole beats Mythlogic with a steel pipe **
[01:15:37] inahole: aright aright
[01:15:43] cornell: kormac I've got $10 says you can't point me to the wiki page or official install docs that solve my difficulty within 10 minutes
[01:16:01] cornell: That.. .is, you have 10 minutes.
[01:16:11] kormoc: cornell, I'm not going to do your research for you
[01:16:16] cornell: However long it takes to follow the docs is another question
[01:17:23] thoraxe: anyone here get the hauppauge 150 remote to work?
[01:17:46] inahole: cornell, you have a firewall running that would block connections to mysql
[01:17:53] inahole: ?
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[01:18:25] cornell: inahole: Would a machine's firewall block connections to itself?
[01:18:35] inahole: yes
[01:18:41] cornell: And why would it've started in the past two days?
[01:18:58] inahole: no idea
[01:19:06] inahole: you didn't say that
[01:19:59] cornell: It's been working fine for six months, the upgrade's killed me
[01:20:14] kormoc: cornell, cause it doesn't like your attitude? Hell, you haven't even pastebinned your full error message for us to see...
[01:21:25] cornell: You're the first who expressed any interest in anything other than telling me to read the docs
[01:21:31] ** cornell thanks you **
[01:21:52] fryfrog: cornell: just because no one pipes up and says "yes, i'd be glad to help you" doesn't mean no one is looking
[01:22:21] fryfrog: so go ahead and pastebin your details, describe the problem and wait.
[01:22:39] fryfrog: maybe mention it again in half an hour or an hour, or the next day if you still have issues
[01:22:51] kormoc: or the -users mailing list
[01:22:58] fryfrog: tell what you've tried, what lead up to it, etc
[01:24:31] cornell: Which leads me to the problem of cut-and-paste on a fluxbox window manager.... but that's not y'all's problem... this may take a while
[01:26:06] inahole: use putty, ssh into the box, and copy the message from the terminal screen
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[01:26:38] inahole: unless that is what you're using now on here.
[01:26:44] fryfrog: you could always just take a picture and post it, i've done that to help kernel devs :)
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[01:29:27] cornell: Geez, has firefox officially gone to iceweasel? Or is that just a distro thing
[01:29:28] cornell: ?
[01:29:49] kormoc: just debian
[01:30:18] thoraxe: ok this is not a myth question but is there a way to see if the lirc is receiving commands from my remote? like some logfile?
[01:30:44] fryfrog: off topic, why was that? something about using the term "firefox" being copyrgihted?
[01:31:30] kormoc: fryfrog, lots of writing on it can be found via google, way too complicated for a simple answer...
[01:31:38] fryfrog: ah
[01:31:40] inahole: i'm pissed about joomla fucking up their license through reinterpretation and fucking up the SMF bridge
[01:31:50] inahole: that was off topic but still
[01:32:07] fryfrog: someone just brought up joomla and smf license issues with gallery the other day
[01:32:18] fryfrog: i thought joomla was a fork of mamba that is GPL?
[01:32:22] inahole: it is
[01:32:23] fryfrog: or is it SMF that has the weird license?
[01:32:28] inahole: No, it's joomla
[01:32:42] fryfrog: is Joomla not GPL?
[01:32:50] inahole: to come into compliance with their license, they basically can't repackage plugins that have a different license
[01:33:03] inahole: I can't remember what it is. I thought it was.
[01:33:14] inahole: the plugins have to have the same license
[01:33:18] inahole: as joomla
[01:33:34] fryfrog: ah, i see
[01:33:41] inahole: and SMF won't change their license, and joomla's decision to come into compliance with their license is what's fuckin it up
[01:33:46] fryfrog: so to plugin to something *not* under GPL, not able to?
[01:33:50] Beirdo: that's lame.
[01:33:56] inahole: pretty much
[01:34:01] Beirdo: put the plugin API under LGPL
[01:34:19] inahole: the admin working on the joomla SMF bridge said that was impossible
[01:34:47] inahole: because that plug-in would still use SMF
[01:34:58] ** Beirdo shrugs **
[01:35:04] inahole: and they're not going to change SMF's license
[01:35:09] Beirdo: ah well. Glad I don't use that nonsense then
[01:35:13] cornell: Ok... here's a sample set of errors... there's several seconds of these scroll by... http://cornell.pastebin.com/m5d987434
[01:35:18] inahole: well, I thought it was good
[01:35:20] inahole: I used it
[01:35:29] inahole: now I'm just going to have to go to mambo I guess
[01:35:44] inahole: all the best extensions for joomla is being killed off
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[01:36:10] swhalen: Hello
[01:36:19] inahole: the only reason I liked joomla so much is because it was more security conscious than mambo
[01:36:27] swhalen: Im having issues with winpvr 150 VBI
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[01:37:29] thoraxe: ok, myth is telling me that it's already using all available inputs, but there's nothing to delete
[01:37:34] thoraxe: so i'm not sure why it thinks it's running
[01:37:36] thoraxe: any ideas?
[01:37:37] swhalen: this video is jittery
[01:38:04] fryfrog: cornell: can you connect to the db manually?
[01:38:05] inahole: hmmm..cornell, did any file permissions or owners change after the upgrade?
[01:38:13] fryfrog: "mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg"?
[01:38:43] inahole: is mytconverg a generic password?
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[01:39:02] inahole: like a default password?
[01:39:22] thoraxe: am i just asking really dumb questions adn no one is answering me, or can no one see me typing? :)
[01:39:32] GreyFoxx: inahole: mythconverg is the database name
[01:39:32] inahole: we see you.
[01:39:37] inahole: lol oops
[01:39:38] thoraxe: ok cool just checking :)
[01:39:50] Slyboots: Thats realy weird..
[01:39:55] Slyboots: Im getting the porn channels for free
[01:40:00] Slyboots: ... Myth rocks! o.o
[01:40:02] Slyboots: lol
[01:40:05] GreyFoxx: heh
[01:40:05] inahole: haha
[01:40:19] Slyboots: I think its the porn channel anyway
[01:40:24] Slyboots: There is a plumber
[01:40:28] inahole: premium channel?
[01:40:36] inahole: hbo, skinamax
[01:40:36] Slyboots: Well Im almost certain you have to pay for it..
[01:40:43] Slyboots: Oh, we dont get those
[01:41:01] inahole: HD?
[01:41:05] Slyboots: LOL, No
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[01:41:13] Slyboots: Heck, we bairly get STV most days
[01:41:13] inahole: oh
[01:41:17] inahole: you can hack those sometimes
[01:41:18] Slyboots: *SD even
[01:41:27] Slyboots: Aye, its a porn channel.. lol
[01:41:33] inahole: what channel?
[01:41:37] Slyboots: televion X
[01:41:39] Slyboots: Shitty
[01:41:45] Slyboots: *Shitty british softcore BS
[01:41:49] inahole: oh
[01:41:58] kormoc: inahole, we don't talk about 'hacking' or the like in here
[01:42:03] inahole: oh, sorry
[01:42:04] ** Beirdo reminds inahole to read the channel FAQ with regards to potentially illegal activities **
[01:42:10] Slyboots: Is it hacking if you have no idea how you did it? ;)
[01:42:17] Slyboots: I dont get why its working :D
[01:42:20] inahole: lol
[01:42:28] inahole: maybe they have a free preview of it going
[01:42:30] kormoc: just don't talk bout it and you'll be fine
[01:42:32] Beirdo: just record all the crappy pr0n you want and not worry
[01:42:34] inahole: so that people will want to buy it or some shit
[01:45:46] Slyboots: inahole: Yea.. perhaps..
[01:45:54] Slyboots: Seems pretty weird that its decrypted
[01:46:10] inahole: no tellin.
[01:46:21] inahole: you get it on your tv without mythtv?
[01:47:49] cornell: And a discussion of what's happened.... http://cornell.pastebin.com/m7952ebce, including that I tried mythbackend which fails on the db error (only one instance) and a compliant about QMYSQL3 driver not loaded.
[01:47:58] cornell: fryfrog: yes, I can connect manually
[01:48:05] Slyboots: inahole: Uh.. dunno
[01:48:13] Slyboots: .. Dont realy care enough to check either ;)
[01:48:15] cornell: inahole: file permissions, not that I know of, I'll look about
[01:48:36] cornell: And I'm off to google for QMYSQL3
[01:48:46] kormoc: cornell, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Why_ . . . L3_errors.3F
[01:48:46] cornell: (mythconverg is the default database)
[01:48:55] Dagmar: cornell: How about you repair your database
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[01:49:12] cornell: Good suggestion, Dagmar
[01:49:20] Dagmar: If it's asking for the language again, then the db has become hosed and is non-writeable in key places
[01:49:37] kormoc: actually if you read his pastebin, he doesn't have the qt mysql driver
[01:49:47] kormoc: which is why it can't talk to the DB
[01:49:51] Dagmar: That file may be sitting around in /lost+found then
[01:50:09] kormoc: Dagmar, he updated his system, the package likely changed names or something
[01:50:20] Dagmar: It not having ever been there is counter-indicated by "Knoppmyth installed more than 6 months ago... alive and well..."
[01:50:35] Dagmar: Unless they did osmething really retarded, it didn't change names
[01:50:39] ** kormoc shrugs **
[01:50:58] Dagmar: Now, he might have upgraded to Qt4, which would have screwed him over, but I would think he would know that upgrading a bunch of stuff would be a highly likely cause of the problem
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[01:51:46] Dagmar: If he didn't have the qtmysql driver, he'd also be seeing the curious "No error type from QMYSQL? Strange..." message
[01:52:08] Dagmar: Depending on how hosed up the db is, it may well reject all client connectiosn
[01:52:23] Dagmar: ...and all it takes is one power failure to cause that
[01:52:27] kormoc: Dagmar, he is seeing said message, as indicated above
[01:52:46] Slyboots: Right, Is there any way to improve the signal on a DVB-T card
[01:53:03] kormoc: Dagmar, http://cornell.pastebin.com/m5d987434
[01:53:06] Dagmar: kormoc: Are you talking about "above" as in "in the pastebin" or "in the channel"?
[01:53:10] Slyboots: I have trouble with a handfull of channels, that appear fine on another DVB box that runs from the same feed
[01:53:24] thoraxe: it looks like it "forgot" what capture card i had
[01:53:24] Dagmar: It doesn't give the error I'm talking about there.
[01:53:27] kormoc: Dagmar, both actually, he has nested pastebins, and he mentioned the no error type a few hours ago
[01:53:28] Dagmar: "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" is not the same thing
[01:53:32] Dagmar: Ah
[01:53:36] kormoc: Dagmar, line #7 of my link
[01:54:04] Dagmar: Ah well, he can wipe the machine and start over for having not been more careful afaic
[01:55:22] cornell: As that link suggested, I did: find /usr /opt -name libqsqlmysql.so 2>/dev/null, no return... checking for libqt3c102-mysql
[01:55:22] inahole: afaic mean another fucking asshole in channel?
[01:55:30] Dagmar: ...cuz I get the feeling this is going to turn into a "why doesn't Myth prevent me from overstuffing and trashing the filesystem" issues
[01:55:43] kormoc: inahole, careful...
[01:55:50] Dagmar: inahole: Get a brain
[01:55:54] inahole: lol
[01:56:08] fryfrog: there are lots of assholes in the channel :)
[01:56:24] inahole: indeed
[01:56:27] fryfrog: actually, i think a majority of the people that *help* other people are assholes
[01:56:38] Dagmar: fryfrog: Let us know when we finally outnumber the retards
[01:56:45] fryfrog: if you stick around long enough (and started out as a not-asshole), doing support will turn you *into* an asshole
[01:56:55] inahole: lol
[01:57:01] fryfrog: Dagmar: you know the retards breed at a higher rate than the assholes :p
[01:57:29] cornell: mmm... synaptic package manager has a "libqt3-mt-mysql, described as "This package contains the threaded MySQL plugin for Qt3. Install it if you intend to use or write Qt programs that wre to access a MySQL DB." It's not installed, but has a star in the checkbox
[01:57:31] Dagmar: I like to think more along the lines of it turns you into an adult, since so many of these things are "I told you the stove was hot so touching the glowing red bit is your own fault" issues
[01:58:02] kormoc: cornell, I'm amused that you didn't want to read the docs cause they likely wouldn't help you and your problem was covered in the FAQ...
[01:58:28] fryfrog: no matter how you *think* of it... in reality, doing support turns you into an asshole :)
[01:58:32] Dagmar: Case in point, there's one sitting in the middle of the kitchen squalling right now
[01:58:58] cornell: Well... once I get a hint going.... I search for stuff based upon what I see and find... I didn't find this libqt stuff until I thought to try mythbackend
[01:59:09] fryfrog: most "support" people can turn on/off the asshole-ness if they choose, like when their *boss* needs some support (or wife!), but rarely do we turn it off :)
[01:59:11] Dagmar: blah blah blah
[01:59:27] Dagmar: Refusing to read the FAQ terminates any expectation of help from other people you might have
[02:00:01] cornell: ANd it's not that I don't read them.... it's just that after I've read them, and searched about and found nothing... then I have to go searching for clues, hints whatever.
[02:00:10] Dagmar: Except your problem was in there
[02:00:28] cornell: Do you think this libqt3-mt-mysql package may be what I'm looking for?
[02:00:34] kormoc: it is
[02:00:35] Dagmar: ...and now you're arguing that red doesn't always mean hot so you should have been allowed to touch the stove elements without being burned.
[02:04:48] cornell: Well... It's the witching hour, I've run out of time this evening... thanks Dagmar, inahole, kormoc, et. al.
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[02:07:20] inahole: np
[02:07:30] GreyFoxx: Wow, the OpenGL render picture quality is great!
[02:07:36] GreyFoxx: mythtv-vid++
[02:09:06] cornell: TTFN
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[02:31:49] adante: you know, i idle in a lot of channels where people come to get help (ie, i am those newbies), it seems like myth gets a disproportionatelly large amount of dissatisfied/irate users
[02:33:16] Beirdo: heh
[02:33:53] Beirdo: well, many people expect others to do everything for them too, don't forget
[02:34:39] Beirdo: mythtv is not a commercial product where people can expect support from others
[02:35:21] Beirdo: any support people give is from their own good will, and there are many users who seem to think that they are entitled to handholding... which they ain't
[02:39:02] thoraxe: hm
[02:39:13] thoraxe: i don't think my crappy 700mhz machine with 1gb of ram is enough to run mythdora very well
[02:39:36] Beirdo: and not to mention, mythtv is a quite complex setup, and people are loathe to RTFM :)
[02:39:46] thoraxe: at least not with whatever junky nvidia video card i have
[02:41:20] Beirdo: thoraxe, not sure on that, but it will likely be tight for a frontend unless using SD, and even then might be too touchy
[02:41:40] Beirdo: for a backend, it might be OK if you use hardware compression (like PVR150)
[02:42:09] Beirdo: but people use xboxes as frontends, so it SHOULD be possible
[02:42:22] Beirdo: but I doubt you'll get much success with HD
[02:43:06] thoraxe: don't have hd service yet, jsut tuning analog
[02:43:14] thoraxe: it's pretty chuggy through the menus
[02:43:25] thoraxe: and playing live tv breaks up a bit
[02:43:40] thoraxe: funny that my windowsxp with sage worked a touch better, but i probably don't have much good configuration done
[02:43:55] Beirdo: live tv is recording and playback at the same time
[02:44:04] thoraxe: yes, very true
[02:44:18] Beirdo: so... that's stressing it fairly hard, especially if using framegrabber rather than PVRx50
[02:44:27] thoraxe: i have an xp2000 chip from a box i just retired that i could sub in for the tbird 750, but i might turn that box into a gentoo machine (it's a pvr150)
[02:44:41] thoraxe: is opengl a better choice than qt or does it not matter?
[02:44:53] Beirdo: with an XP2000 chip you will be a lot better off
[02:45:20] Beirdo: opengl would be better if your video card supports HW acceleration for opengl, I would expect
[02:46:58] thoraxe: it's some random old nvidia card literally from a bin full of video cards i have haha
[02:47:07] Beirdo: heh
[02:47:26] thoraxe: like is aid this box was running winxp with sagetv for a long long time tolerably well, i decided to give myth a whirl
[02:47:34] Beirdo: well, with a Geforce 4 at FX5200 or better, you'd likely have much nicer results
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[02:47:42] thoraxe: i wonder what it is
[02:47:48] Beirdo: anyways, I'm gonna head to bed...
[02:47:52] thoraxe: ok man, take it easy
[02:48:10] Beirdo: good luck. lspci will likely say what video card you have, BTW
[02:48:23] thoraxe: ah ok, i will get it booted here in a bit or this weekend and play some more
[02:48:38] thoraxe: i need to split the coax in this room so i don't have to bring the box downstairs to test with real video
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[03:14:10] tcpsyn: Is anyone using mythflix?
[03:15:09] tcpsyn: xris, the new mythweb is amazing.
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[03:50:56] DanielHolth: It works! I had to disable composite to get XvMC to work!
[03:51:17] DanielHolth: But I think maybe my hard disk is too slow to record and playback HDTV...
[03:51:28] DanielHolth: So mplayer through a pipe is a more successful method atm.
[03:51:31] DanielHolth: Sharks!
[03:54:52] fryfrog: DanielHolth: HD recording is like 2–3mb/sec
[03:55:00] DanielHolth: oh, it must be something else then.
[03:55:00] fryfrog: if your hard drive can't keep up with that, it was made in the 80s
[03:55:18] DanielHolth: i'll have to try mythtv without opengl again...
[03:55:47] fryfrog: I could see problems with simultanious read/writes *maybe* if the playback is using all or nearly all of the CPU
[03:55:53] fryfrog: or if you don't have DMA enabled
[03:56:06] DanielHolth: By the way does the PcHDTV 5500 have an MPEG encoder on it? It seems kindof expensive.
[03:56:31] DanielHolth: yes, it's an athlon 1600+ which means it's 1.4 ghz. xvmc makes it manageable.
[03:56:32] fryfrog: HD *is* already in MPEG2
[03:56:39] DanielHolth: no, non-hd
[03:56:42] DanielHolth: the one that stops working in 2009
[03:56:50] fryfrog: oh, you mean the analog portion?
[03:56:56] fryfrog: that is a plain old, boring frame grabber
[03:56:59] DanielHolth: sigh
[03:57:16] fryfrog: HD playback on an athlon 1600+ I would call not likely to happen
[03:57:27] fryfrog: I doubt XvMC is/would help enough to make it smooth
[03:57:42] DanielHolth: it has some jumps, but mostly... it happens.
[03:57:51] DanielHolth: I can even run xchat at the same time! ;-)
[03:57:52] fryfrog: I used to do *borderline* HD playback on a dual xeon 2.4ghz system
[03:58:00] fryfrog: and it was *VERY* borderline tolerable
[03:58:12] fryfrog: my amd64 3200+ does playback quite well though
[03:58:17] DanielHolth: cool.
[03:58:40] DanielHolth: mplayer is between 30–45% cpu.
[03:59:02] DanielHolth: no more sharks, darn.
[04:00:39] DanielHolth: I'm feeling a little sticker shock now at the PcHDTV.
[04:01:53] DanielHolth: thanks for the advice
[04:03:14] DanielHolth: ha, I'd take a screenshot but it comes up as the color key.
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[04:27:31] J-e-f-f-A: fryfrog: I must have had the perfect chipset/video combination then to get near excellent HD playback on a PIII 1Ghz w/nvidia GF 5500 (pci) and 512mb ram... Played perfectly 99% of the time, unless the osd was on, it stutterd bad. Using XVMC though...
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[04:30:34] J-e-f-f-A: Anybody currently here using upnp players?
[04:32:57] J-e-f-f-A: <tap> <tap> is this thing on?  ;-)
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[05:55:55] PRoGRaMMeRQ: So with the way mythtv works, I can't play on a game console via mythtv because it writes it to disk first. I have a hardware mpeg2 encoder (winpvr-500). Technically I believe this should be possible, but I seem to experience a delay with other programs too, any ideas on how to accomplish this?
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[06:02:21] DanielHolth: Just use a program like tvtime
[06:02:33] tjcarter: PRoGRaMMeRQ: you can create a menu option to start tvtime or something on the itnerface
[06:02:37] DanielHolth: Actually an analog framegrabber card is probably better for a game console.
[06:02:41] DanielHolth: The MPEG encoding will add latency.
[06:02:58] tjcarter: PRoGRaMMeRQ: you can also add a cheap framegrabber to your FE box for tvtime usage alone
[06:03:16] DanielHolth: if it's a dreamcast just get a vga cable for it :-)
[06:03:52] PRoGRaMMeRQ: its actually an n64
[06:03:53] PRoGRaMMeRQ: :p
[06:04:11] PRoGRaMMeRQ: I don't have an actual TV set... just got married
[06:04:27] PRoGRaMMeRQ: I'm lucky to have the n64, let alone the tuner card
[06:04:29] PRoGRaMMeRQ: :)
[06:05:59] tjcarter: Grabber can be had for like $20 on newegg
[06:06:17] Aval0n: guys, if you record and HD show with an ATSC tuner what happens if you try to play the file on a non hd front end?
[06:08:35] PRoGRaMMeRQ: just any old frame grabber? or are there more and less friendly linux ones?
[06:09:38] tjcarter: the cheapo-deluxe Sabrent works, though you may have to coax Linux into recognizing its tuner, which you'd never use for gaming anyway.
[06:10:18] DanielHolth: Aval0n you may notice some fuzziness.
[06:10:33] Aval0n: but it will play
[06:10:34] Aval0n: ?
[06:10:44] DanielHolth: Sure, if the system is fast enough.
[06:10:59] DanielHolth: It's no different than watching 1080 on a 720p monitor
[06:11:03] Aval0n: someone told me it wouldn't work at all
[06:11:22] Aval0n: the non hd front end is red white and yellow composite
[06:11:26] Aval0n: and frankly I don't care lol
[06:11:31] Aval0n: it's a 25" crt tv
[06:11:35] Aval0n: find for the bedroom
[06:11:45] Aval0n: I only care about HD on my 50" samsung plasma
[06:11:48] tjcarter: it will play, but it'll be downscaled and letterboxed
[06:11:53] DanielHolth: I've got a buddy who has hooked up the monitor for the PSP to a component input.
[06:12:01] Aval0n: as long as the video shows up and plays even if it looks like analog I'm fine with that.
[06:12:02] DanielHolth: It's 4 inches.
[06:12:20] Aval0n: tjcarter that's awesome
[06:12:38] DanielHolth: sweet, people in the middle east tend to eat their lamb medium to medium well.
[06:12:45] ** DanielHolth is learning from hi-def **
[06:12:47] Aval0n: another question
[06:12:52] Aval0n: I have a kworld 115
[06:13:02] Aval0n: nx2000 chipset
[06:13:06] Aval0n: i read on the wiki
[06:13:09] Aval0n: that it needs firmware
[06:13:09] DanielHolth: How's the ota reception?
[06:13:19] Aval0n: but it just says to put it in the lib modules folder and probe it
[06:13:19] DanielHolth: I had to copy some firmware into a directory for my expensive card.
[06:13:25] Aval0n: I am guess I don't have to flash it?
[06:13:26] DanielHolth: if it works, great.
[06:13:27] Aval0n: the ota is great
[06:13:36] DanielHolth: mine didn't seem to be happy without firmware.
[06:13:46] Aval0n: what card do you use?
[06:13:49] DanielHolth: you might just have the firmware already, without your knowledge
[06:13:51] Aval0n: I use QAM256
[06:13:51] ** tjcarter has no HD because HD cannot be had for enough channels to warrant the effort. **
[06:13:55] DanielHolth: I have a pchdtv5500
[06:14:00] Aval0n: ahh nice
[06:14:02] DanielHolth: I have an antenna
[06:14:15] DanielHolth: I'm about finished deciding it's no better than cards 1/4 the price.
[06:14:20] Aval0n: i have the out of box firmware
[06:14:37] Aval0n: I did a lot of researching
[06:14:43] DanielHolth: Aval0n did you have to subscribe to digital service first?
[06:14:51] Aval0n: and the kworld 115 was one of the better bang for the buck cards
[06:14:56] Aval0n: daniel no
[06:14:58] tjcarter: I did, and I still only get 5 channels of HD.
[06:15:03] Aval0n: I just have cox standard analog
[06:15:03] tjcarter: f*ck that.
[06:15:13] Aval0n: I got about 16 hd channels
[06:15:15] Aval0n: and music chans
[06:15:19] Aval0n: all the locals
[06:15:27] DanielHolth: that's nice. I'm in gainesville, I have basic cable, and I got nothin
[06:15:28] Aval0n: and 2 cable chans
[06:15:32] DanielHolth: the basic cable reception is crappy too.
[06:15:37] Aval0n: =(
[06:15:39] DanielHolth: thankfully the 5 mb internet is fine
[06:15:40] tjcarter: If I get myself a cablecard capture device, I'd get all of the channels.
[06:15:49] DanielHolth: hooray cablecard
[06:15:52] DanielHolth: ;-)
[06:16:04] Aval0n: you get encrypted chans without paying with a cablecard?
[06:16:18] tjcarter: I'd get all of them I'd pay for.
[06:16:23] DanielHolth: no, I just get channels 2–20 analog via cable.
[06:16:33] Aval0n: daniel
[06:16:40] tjcarter: which is currently about 100 channels SD, 20 channels HD
[06:16:40] Aval0n: they've notch filtered you
[06:16:45] Aval0n: complain about how shitty your signal is
[06:16:47] Aval0n: over and over
[06:16:52] DanielHolth: yes I think so.
[06:16:55] Aval0n: they will eventually remove the notch filter
[06:17:07] Aval0n: or at least up your signal
[06:17:11] DanielHolth: when I complained they said theyd give me a $100 cable from outside to inside.
[06:17:22] DanielHolth: as in I would give them Benjamin, and they would install the thing.
[06:17:26] Aval0n: take them up on every offer they give you
[06:17:35] Aval0n: ewww
[06:17:46] Aval0n: tell them they need to provide the service you pay for
[06:17:52] Aval0n: or it's false advertisign
[06:18:01] Aval0n: ;p
[06:18:06] Aval0n: sorry I'm being cynical
[06:18:10] DanielHolth: I just signed up for digital cable and it looks like maybe the signal is better now. All encrypted stuff though.
[06:18:19] DanielHolth: and all sdtv
[06:18:21] Aval0n: cool
[06:18:24] DanielHolth: and in spanish!
[06:18:27] Aval0n: hahaa
[06:18:29] Aval0n: I have a Q
[06:18:37] Aval0n: is myth intuitive enough that my wife could use it?
[06:18:44] Aval0n: she's not exactly computer savy
[06:18:49] tjcarter: Use sure.
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[06:18:53] tjcarter: Install probably not.
[06:18:53] DanielHolth: they can turn your cable on and off from the central office here.
[06:18:58] Aval0n: nah
[06:19:06] Aval0n: I'm installing everything
[06:19:14] DanielHolth: it's disappointing because I used to live downtown and the tv there looked better than hooking it straight up to a directv box.
[06:19:29] Aval0n: I hear that
[06:19:50] DanielHolth: but basic cable sucks. I only have it for the cable modem.
[06:19:51] Aval0n: does myth let the user know when it's running out of space and give the option to delete older recordins?
[06:19:54] DanielHolth: there's nothing on.
[06:20:15] DanielHolth: the beauty of satellite tv is that even though there is still nothing on, it takes you two hours to find out because you have to flip through more channels.
[06:21:35] DanielHolth: Unfortunately my machine doesn't like to run mythtv and play back hdtv at the same time. (just recently got xvmc working). I will have to tweak something to make it playback more smoothly.... latency issues under Linux are really annoying to fix IMO.
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[06:22:05] DanielHolth: So when's mythtv going to support that HDMI capture card?
[06:22:11] DanielHolth: Only a few gigabits per second eh?
[06:22:32] tjcarter: heh
[06:23:03] tjcarter: I want a cablecard capture card or MPEG4 h264 hardware encoder on HDMI capture
[06:23:52] Aval0n: is a 120gig hard drive ok for a 2 TV hd setup?
[06:23:55] Aval0n: only hd on 1 tv
[06:23:59] DanielHolth: but you won't get cablecard in linux
[06:24:12] tjcarter: Aval0n: I wouldn't think so.
[06:24:18] tjcarter: DanielHolth: BAH!
[06:24:23] DanielHolth: will you?
[06:24:36] tjcarter: DanielHolth: the whole point of the cablecard is that it's a black box.
[06:24:49] Aval0n: tjcarter really?
[06:24:53] Aval0n: how big do you recommend?
[06:24:58] DanielHolth: right, but you also have to certify that you will be nice with the pretty signal. yuck.
[06:25:02] DanielHolth: right?
[06:25:07] Aval0n: my friends dish network hd dvr only has 100 gig It hink
[06:25:09] Aval0n: think*
[06:25:14] DanielHolth: 400 gigs, 85 bucks
[06:25:17] DanielHolth: do yourself a favor
[06:25:19] DanielHolth: get 3 ;-)
[06:25:20] tjcarter: Aval0n: At this point I wouldn't buy anything under 300GB, and for a DVR with even one HD set, 500.
[06:25:36] Aval0n: how many hours or recoding?
[06:25:40] tjcarter: A pair of 400s can't be bad either
[06:25:48] Aval0n: we have 100 hours of recording now
[06:26:02] Aval0n: 95.98 – sata 500gb
[06:26:08] tjcarter: I have an older setup (320 GB) and I get about 1.2 GB per hour at 720x480
[06:26:20] DanielHolth: does mythtv record all the tsprogs, so you could watch all of the subchannels later?
[06:26:29] Aval0n: what res do the hd 720p chans get recorded at?
[06:26:32] tjcarter: my bitrate is a little low to make that happen though, I don't find it matters most of the time
[06:26:42] tjcarter: I have upped quality to as much as 2 GB per hour.
[06:26:46] DanielHolth: HD gets dumped straight to the disk at its native resolution.
[06:27:02] DanielHolth: If you want to transcode it to lower quality later, you have the option.
[06:27:07] Aval0n: nice
[06:27:12] Aval0n: I wanna leave it the best I can
[06:27:24] Aval0n: ultra ata hard drives ok?
[06:27:29] Aval0n: or would you recommend sata?>
[06:27:30] tjcarter: sure
[06:27:44] tjcarter: SATA would be faster if you have > 1 drive
[06:27:56] Aval0n: I only plan on 1 driver
[06:27:58] Aval0n: drive*
[06:28:13] tjcarter: plan on upgrading at some point.
[06:28:19] Aval0n: hmm
[06:28:25] Aval0n: 1 500 gig won't be enough?
[06:28:41] DanielHolth: I used to be happy with 70–80 gigs of standard def encoded to mpeg4 from a framegrabber.
[06:28:47] tjcarter: When you start sucking down 1080p streams in a year or so, no  ;)
[06:28:56] DanielHolth: It was plenty for saving up old episodes of sg-1
[06:28:56] Aval0n: that's my other question
[06:29:01] Aval0n: in a year when everything is all HD
[06:29:07] Aval0n: are my pvr 150's going to be worthless?
[06:29:12] DanielHolth: yes everything will be sharp and in stereo!
[06:29:16] DanielHolth: it will be like getting glasses
[06:29:28] Aval0n: $ 305.00 – sata 1tb
[06:29:30] Aval0n: I wish
[06:29:31] Aval0n: heh
[06:29:55] tjcarter: yeah even I can tell HD is HD if I have a big enough screen  ;)
[06:30:00] tjcarter: and I'm blind, so..
[06:30:17] Aval0n: ok guys goodnight thanks for the info
[06:30:18] DanielHolth: the colors are beautiful
[06:30:29] DanielHolth: no more never twice same color
[06:30:39] DanielHolth: happy recording
[06:30:42] DanielHolth: and playback
[06:33:21] tjcarter: no recording and no playback.
[06:33:44] tjcarter: Zis is Kaos! Ve don't record here!
[06:34:10] tjcarter: HDCP won't let you.
[06:34:24] DanielHolth: don't depress me!
[06:34:32] DanielHolth: I'll be happy with my 4 channels darnit
[06:34:37] DanielHolth: my four libre channels
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[09:02:54] juski: TFI Friday :)
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[09:19:17] juski: eeks. video of me at http://flamekebab.blip.tv/file/316410
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[10:20:15] simcop2387: GumbyBRAIN: TTFSMIF
[10:20:34] simcop2387: wrong channel
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[10:43:01] lexs: why is the osd resolution dependant on what res the video has?
[10:43:25] lexs: because when i play a hd channel the osd's text looks much better
[10:44:30] juski: the base res of all the osd themes is actuallt 640x480 & everything is scalked up from that. or down :-\
[10:45:12] juski: ugh grotty ssh connection today :(
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[10:49:46] yoshibond: hello everyone! i was wondering if someone could help me setup my ir-blaster for mythtv ?
[10:50:06] lexs: i wonder why i get an error every time i try to watch a hd channel, but it works when i select watch tv and it starts at that channel
[10:50:11] yoshibond: i have got the remote working – i have the MCEUSB2 PVR-150 and a DCT-2000 satelite box
[10:50:15] yoshibond: *cable box
[10:50:40] lexs: juski: yeah, but the text looks much better on the hd channel
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[10:50:53] lexs: so is there any way to force a resolution?
[10:52:53] juski: no there isn't. not without your patch
[10:53:29] juski: IIRC there's work ongoing to always draw the OSD at the current resolution regardless of the video res & aspect
[10:53:36] lexs: :)
[10:53:37] lexs: good
[10:53:41] juski: just a pity the base res is so limiting
[10:53:55] lexs: yeah, i saw that you had made som themes
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[10:54:27] juski: some? I think I've single-handedly doubled the amount of available themes :-P
[10:55:15] yoshibond: would anyone help me quickly setup my ir blaster – i just cant figure out waht to do
[10:55:20] lexs: :P
[10:55:33] ** juski wonders if this channel look slike #lirc **
[10:56:38] Dagmar: We could probably fix the base resolution, but it would mean breaking most of the existing themes
[10:56:56] juski: a good use for themeinfo.xml methinks
[10:57:36] rooaus: lexs: mythtv-vid branch in svn is ready for testing, it enables native resolution OSD. Much better than the current situation and it adds some other nice features as well.
[10:57:51] lexs: rooaus: like? :)
[10:58:07] juski: it's not even as if a 1080P theme would use more memory if a user is running at 1080 since everything is scaled to that res & cached in ram
[10:58:18] GreyFoxx: the OpenGL reneder in -vid looks nice
[10:58:23] GreyFoxx: rendered
[10:58:25] GreyFoxx: bah
[10:58:37] juski: opengl raindeer? cool!
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[10:59:01] GreyFoxx: heh
[10:59:58] yoshibond: i have been trying to get the changechannel.py file to work and installed python-serial but nothing seems to work
[11:00:17] rooaus: lexs: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/281966 for some details
[11:01:58] rooaus: GreyFoxx: I haven't tried -vid yet but apparently better deinterlacers as well, with graceful fallback.
[11:03:54] GreyFoxx: rooaus: I've been playing with it seince yesterday
[11:04:09] GreyFoxx: the playback image looks better to me
[11:04:20] GreyFoxx: I haven't tested all of the options yet
[11:05:48] yoshibond: does anyone know of an ubuntu guide for setting up the blaster with a pvr-150?
[11:06:24] juski: http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search
[11:06:45] yoshibond: i know how to use google – i couldnt find anything that worked
[11:07:05] juski: yoshibond: anyway this isn't #lirc. maybe try asking in #lirc
[11:07:33] Dagmar: You apparently don't know how to use Google.
[11:07:50] Dagmar: I pasted your whole, plain English question into Google and I saw three pages that tell all one needs to know, right off
[11:08:12] juski: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy is one of them
[11:09:20] yoshibond: ive tried that and it didnt work
[11:09:30] yoshibond: the last URL
[11:10:23] rooaus: GreyFoxx: I believe the playback image should be better, better upscaling than the "old" way. Might have to try it this weekend, Danielk has kept it up to date with trunk.
[11:10:47] yoshibond: it says to do the same as serial transmitter
[11:11:13] juski: yoshibond: that's a whole lot of information you just gave to allow somebody to help you. "muh didn't work" is a fat load of useless
[11:14:52] lexs: http://static.pici.se/pictures/YqkQawxpu.png how do i resolv this text cutting issues?
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[11:17:28] juski: those funny characters actually mean stuff? ;)
[11:18:09] juski: my 1st guess would be to check X is running at 100DPI and that you actually have the right font(s) for the theme you use installed
[11:19:17] lexs: juski: na, thats a font encoding issue :)
[11:19:26] lexs: but it doesnt matter as im just testing
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[11:37:10] juski: hahahaha that video of me at LRL demoing mythtv doesn't work :D
[11:37:19] juski: <BIG sigh of relief>
[11:56:24] lexs: juski: the text is getting cut on my knoppmyth box too :(
[11:57:32] lexs: but the worst part is that the text is centered
[11:57:43] lexs: so it cuts out the middle of the text
[11:58:11] juski: I'd just cut my losses & use a theme that doesn't suck
[11:58:21] lexs: like+ :)
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[12:19:43] lexs: this font cutting issue disurbs me, but it seems like the whole theming system has to be redone if it is to be fixed :(
[12:20:25] juski: not at all
[12:20:51] juski: you just need to run X at 100DPI & make sure you have the right fonts installed. don't be a dummy
[12:22:00] lexs: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/pg-wide/images/08.png this has the same issue
[12:22:05] lexs: and thats your theme :(
[12:22:50] juski: lexs: I DON'T CARE. there. I said it
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[12:28:38] gbee: anyone using the (original) isthmus OSD?
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[12:32:51] crm: is juski here too?
[12:33:03] juski: lol.
[12:33:11] juski: there's no escape
[12:33:11] crm: ahh.. there he is
[12:33:44] juski: crm: now you can ask all the noobish questions you want. if you can't be bothered to read the docs, expect pretty much the same here
[12:33:50] crm: i say we sacrifice him to the gods of "relief from anoying noobs"
[12:34:11] hads: So, if you're here, then you obviously _can_ read.
[12:34:23] hads: Wouldn't have guessed.
[12:34:49] crm: naa.. i worked it out from the pictures
[12:34:54] crm: but eitherway
[12:35:02] crm: juski should be banned
[12:35:21] crm: he has no customer service skills
[12:35:30] crm: in fact.. does he have any skills?
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[12:35:47] crm: other than a master class asshole?
[12:35:49] juski: crm: or should I say JTMONEY – what is your problem?
[12:36:06] hads: He may be grumpy but at least he can get a better mood.
[12:36:25] crm: lol juski
[12:36:32] crm: is that one of your skeletons
[12:36:41] hads: Goodbye
[12:36:47] crm: anyway..
[12:36:57] Aval0n: I find that if you ask relativly non-retarded questions that juski is great at helping
[12:36:58] crm: can someone please tell me about mythtv?
[12:37:12] crm: heh
[12:37:29] crm: you have your place juski
[12:37:36] juski: trolls will be trolls. they can't help being retarded
[12:37:37] ** laga makes a note to request op later **
[12:38:07] crm: juski, you are part of the "relativly non-retarded"
[12:38:13] crm: well done
[12:38:18] juski: ever since handing my badge back I've been made to regret it. but then again saying that is only giving the assholes more ammo
[12:38:21] Aval0n: pretty much if the question is, What is MythTV.... expect to get flamed by more ppl here than just juski
[12:38:47] crm: fark
[12:38:54] crm: just tell me about the program
[12:39:00] hads: This is just about too amusing to ignore.
[12:39:20] Aval0n: it lets you watch live tv and record/play them back
[12:39:28] Aval0n: that's it in a nutshell
[12:39:30] crm: what's "live tv"?
[12:39:44] crm: internet streaming??
[12:39:47] Aval0n: no
[12:39:53] hads: Not anymore.
[12:40:13] Aval0n: how the heck does someone find out enough about myth tv to get here... but not know what livetv is...
[12:41:31] crm: ok
[12:41:43] crm: here's some of my background
[12:41:50] crm: might assist in answering my questions
[12:41:54] Aval0n: and on that, I think I'll off to work
[12:41:56] Aval0n: laterz all
[12:42:02] juski: later Aval0n
[12:42:09] crm: i watch internet tv.. listen to internet radio..
[12:42:34] juski: crm: seriously just read the docs. just do it. all the answers are there. read them, then come in here with questions about specifics if you want.
[12:42:48] crm: now have a 5.1 stereo system and would like to stream clean 5.1 music through it
[12:43:03] crm: thought that the ideal situation would be to also stream the video throught
[12:43:12] juski: mythtv works with surround sound. what it can't do is turn stereo to 5.1
[12:43:35] crm: juski, you answered my question in one line
[12:43:46] crm: please don't make me rtfm for that info
[12:44:11] Aval0n: ctm, there isn't a device or application on this planet that will turn stereo into 5.1
[12:44:15] Aval0n: he was being sarcastic
[12:44:29] crm: ahh
[12:44:34] crm: 5.1 is digital
[12:44:45] crm: two pieces of wire could do it
[12:44:49] juski: some apps pretend to do processing to turn stereo into surround audio though
[12:44:55] crm: prolly one
[12:45:12] Aval0n: dosn't matter how the signal gets there... fiber 2 conducter wire...
[12:45:18] Aval0n: stereo is stereo....
[12:45:42] Aval0n: you can emulate surround sound with it.. e.g., pro logic ][
[12:45:48] Aval0n: but it will never be 5.1
[12:46:02] Aval0n: and this may suprise you.. but also never 7.
[12:46:03] Aval0n: 1
[12:46:23] crm: you're just confusing me
[12:46:29] Aval0n: oh noes
[12:46:37] juski: if the source is 5.1, 6.1/whatever, mythtv can pass it to your digital amp.
[12:46:38] Aval0n: I'mm off for real this time
[12:46:39] Aval0n: later
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[12:47:09] crm: juski, sure.. but is that true 5.1 or an emulation?
[12:47:39] crm: im not sure i even understand the difference anymore
[12:47:42] crm: fark!
[12:47:51] juski: crm: it won't emulate anything. to get 5.1 the source material must be 5.1. as for whether mythtv's music plugin supports multichannel audio – I don't know
[12:48:36] juski: put this way – if you have a digital TV recording which has stereo AC3 audio, all you'll get passed to your digital audio output is stereo AC3
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[12:49:46] juski: mythtv does not and can not re-sample digital audio streams to different formats, and as far as I know there are no plans to do that either
[12:50:42] crm: thanks juski .. sorry for the flaming
[12:51:01] juski: it usually helps if you ask specific, direct questions
[12:51:03] crm: this is all a bit frustrating
[12:51:10] crm: juski, ok
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[12:51:25] fdlinux: hi everyone
[12:51:43] juski: as for the questions where you need to RTFM – we see it every day, day in day out here. it gets very tiresome very fast
[12:51:47] crm: juski, does Mythtv support all the digital channels that are provided by shoutcast?
[12:51:51] fdlinux: i am running fedora 7 with mythtv from atrpms and torrentflux
[12:52:03] laga: Aval0n: hum. you say "you can emulate surround sound with it.. e.g., pro logic ][". how is this emulation? dolby pro logic has the "surround" logo AFAIK
[12:52:22] fdlinux: and everytime i watch tv and then couple minutes i start torrentflux download , pc just freezes :(
[12:52:26] lexs: laga: in tries to upsample 2.0 to 5.1
[12:52:37] lexs: it cant make it 5.1 as it wasnt recorded in 5.1
[12:52:37] juski: crm: mythtv doesn't currently (officially) support shoutcast streams, but there's a patch for mythmusic done by a guy called Eskil to make that work. it'll likely be incorporated into mythtv 0.21
[12:53:51] laga: lexs: um. why not? you can use liba52 to "downmix" ac3 5.1 to stereo with encoded 5.1 sound
[12:54:34] juski: lexs: re that theme screenshot you posted earlier – that's a very old version of that theme anyway. I keep forgetting to ask the site admin to remove those pages
[12:54:36] lexs: how can a program know if a sound is supposed to be coming from the front or back?
[12:55:04] crm: juski, do you know of any "neat" way of streaming video and audio to a device with X(5,6,7).1 digital audio.. plus picture?
[12:55:10] lexs: juski: yeah, and it seems like i have a very large font
[12:55:28] lexs: i want my hdmi card and my mobo
[12:55:31] lexs: to test :>
[12:55:40] juski: lexs: it doesn't. it couldn't. what it does is 'synthesise' different channel combinations from different phase/delay characteristics of a stereo signal
[12:55:43] crm: juski, or should i just go for the "airport express" and worry about the video later?
[12:55:55] lexs: juski: yeah, thats my point
[12:56:12] lexs: when downsampling it just groups front left and back left to left
[12:56:16] lexs: and same for right
[12:56:22] fdlinux: anyone that recognizes my problem :(
[12:56:23] laga: lexs: what program? i'm talking about my A/V receiver. i was playing with it and ac3 downmix to dolby pro logic encoded stereo and found that indeed the voices were coming mostly from the center speaker. it works to a certain extent
[12:56:37] juski: crm: mythtv won't work like that. mythtv is at least 2 separate apps. there's a backend which handles all the tv recording / scheduling / storage, then there's the GUI & player, called mythfrontend
[12:57:10] lexs: laga: your receiver uses some sort of "program" that guesses where the sound is supposed to come from
[12:57:16] lexs: but it cant know
[12:57:19] lexs: so it isnt perfect
[12:57:34] juski: you'd call it a 'simulation' more than 'emulation' IMHO
[12:58:10] laga: lexs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Pro_Logic :)
[12:58:17] juski: like my receiver's 'music hall' program, makes my livingroom sound like it's made of hard stone surfaces
[12:58:33] juski: (ie. to be avoided)
[12:58:40] laga: heh
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[13:02:31] juski: IMHO manufacturers should put _less_ effects on high-end products, not more :)
[13:07:11] Dagmar: THey need the "auto ambience filter" thingy
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[13:07:32] Dagmar: it makes a godawful sound tuning itself up, and based on what echos it hears it retailors it's sound profile
[13:10:15] gbee: quality not quantity etc
[13:11:07] gbee: but then it's hard to explain to customers and users than having just 3 options is in fact better than 20
[13:11:07] juski: shouldn't get noticable slap-back in your livingroom, shirley!
[13:11:38] juski: hmm wtf is dbatt up to?
[13:12:08] juski: dbatt: wtf are you up to? huh? HUH?!
[13:12:13] laga: fs. i hate wine.
[13:12:21] laga: it left a window behind i can't kill
[13:12:46] juski: mmm wine :D
[13:13:03] dbatt: juski: lurking.....
[13:13:48] juski: dbatt: so wtf is this all about then? dbatt [n=dbatt@ppp59-167-155-179.lns4.mel6.internode.on.net ] requested CTCP VERSION from juski:
[13:14:03] juski: if I'm being probed I wanna know why
[13:14:13] Dagmar: He wants to know everything about you.
[13:14:18] juski: bless.
[13:14:21] pointer: on 07/24 this was said on the channel: xris: there should be an official announcement within a week or so...
[13:14:36] pointer: in regard to schedulesdirect.... has an announcement been made that I missed?
[13:14:44] gbee: pointer: no, he lied ;)
[13:14:44] juski: pointer: OR SO ;)
[13:14:45] dbatt: juski: got an old G4 powermac from work. Never used one before. Installed colloquy and fiddling. never really used IRC before.
[13:15:08] juski: dbatt: fair 'nuff. irssi tells me more than I need (or want to know) so I ws curious
[13:15:24] pointer: I was just asking since there wasn't an update on the website....at least I did my homework and searched the irc log and the ML ;)
[13:15:47] gbee: pointer: there will be an announcement well before the zap2it cutoff, just sit back and relax until then
[13:16:08] juski: I'd probably suggest that any announcements will be posted on the website before they make it anywhere else
[13:16:11] pointer: gbee: sorry, starting to lose faith ;)
[13:16:21] juski: oh ye of little faith
[13:16:51] juski: the names on the schedulesdirect personnel – if they can't help you nobody can :)
[13:16:51] ** pointer was starting to wonder if a tivo purchase was imminent **
[13:16:52] ** pointer ducks **
[13:17:34] gbee: seems like I'm not going to persuade anyone to drop the internal datadirect parser though, which is a shame, I really thought this would be a good oppotunity to converg onto the one standard (xmltv)
[13:18:14] GreyFoxx: PointyPumper: there will likely be an official announcement anytime now
[13:18:19] GreyFoxx: err pointer I meant
[13:18:20] gbee: put it this way, you would have heard more if things weren't working out – no news is good news
[13:19:19] pointer: GreyFoxx: I look forward to it, with an open wallet
[13:19:24] GreyFoxx: heh
[13:19:27] ** juski decides that blootube & blootubelite-wide's watermarks look poo **
[13:20:17] pointer: I'm going to have to find some way to use a cablecard with mythtv soon though...they're phasing out analog cable here
[13:20:40] pointer: and I hate having 4 tuners using 4 digital receivers controlled via usb -> serial adapters
[13:20:52] juski: PAH! not in linux you don't. not on any hardware other than they lock to the cablecard either
[13:23:02] gbee: well since I can't check anything in right now, guess I'll work on something else
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[13:24:48] kslater: l/AWAY
[13:24:48] juski: I think I'll be updating my backend tonight
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[13:25:41] juski: rather than try to clean up the mess that is my install of svn fixes on top of packages I think I'll reinstall & go with feisty
[13:25:55] gbee: and trunk?
[13:25:57] gbee: :D
[13:26:09] juski: I'm not that brave
[13:26:16] laga: it's not that bad :P
[13:26:38] juski: it's not so much that – it's my frontend. minimyth makes running trunk pretty hard unless I build it myself
[13:26:47] laga: oh :(
[13:26:48] juski: and *that*, my friends, is not a nice job
[13:26:50] laga: use the s100 :)
[13:26:55] gbee: ahh, well that sucks
[13:27:22] juski: building minimyth isn't *hard* really – just takes feckin ages
[13:28:05] juski: laga: gonna have to look at modding the front plastic of the s100 to fit a slim dvd drive
[13:28:53] laga: juski: tell me when you're done, i've got one of those
[13:28:57] juski: can you spell "dremel time" ?
[13:28:59] juski: ;)
[13:29:02] laga: heh
[13:29:46] juski: hours & hours of fun with Holts' Plastic Padding
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[13:32:43] gbee: wish I could get a nice finish when cutting up plastics, I wanted to fashion a square of transparent plastic to fit in the drive bay of a case and disguise the edges of the LCD, but the edges always ended up pretty rough
[13:33:15] juski: you never get clean edges with a blade alone
[13:33:47] juski: don't cut so close, then finish the edges by filing, then sandling & polishing :)
[13:34:14] dbatt: gbee: I've got a silverstone LC17 where I used red plastic to fill in drive bay with IR sensor behind. Best bet is to use coping saw, then files, then wet and dray sand paper. Patience.
[13:34:41] juski: I'd like to know what the rubbing compound my Dad got for my car door was called. got a fab finish on the paint
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[13:35:38] dbatt: Anyone here from the land of Oz and using shepherd?
[13:36:12] gbee: thanks for the advice, I'll give it another go, unless I find someone selling a 2x3.5" drive bay mount for a 20x4 LCD
[13:37:01] gbee: they make some very nice metal 5.25" ones, but I've yet to find anyone making a 2x3.5" version
[13:37:33] dbatt: I've occasionally been seeing problems with guide data being messed up sourced using shepherd. Ie, Russel Coight and crackerjack tonight.
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[13:40:47] dbatt: second show aired on given channel appears as episode of first show. frustrating. seen it a few times. Thankfully on nothing in my recording rules.
[13:41:17] dbatt: Oh, to not have to use scrapers to get guide data!
[13:44:49] juski: heh. now got "the C word & how we came to swear by it" scheduled again
[13:47:52] rooaus: dbatt: I am using IceTV and the guide data seems OK, one of shepherd's sources is IceTV isn't it?
[13:48:44] dbatt: rooaus: yeah, I think. But I don't want to pay for IceTV. I'm using oztivo and the other free sources. pretty much all of them working
[13:49:29] dbatt: rooaus: including imdb etc, but I still get some stuffed data, worse than using ninemsn scraper, although when the data is right, its more comprehensive
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[13:50:33] dbatt: I've only noticed 2 or 3 things wrong so far. tonight on channel 10 being one of them.
[13:51:00] dbatt: rooaus: iceTV costs $10 a month or something doesnt it?
[13:53:20] juski: what does Option "UseEvents" "true" actually *do* ?
[13:53:41] juski: just wondering if it'll help my puny epia box play back sdtv mpeg2 with xvmc
[13:54:56] juski: is it purely a nvidia thing?
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[13:56:37] gbee: purely nvidia and I've always assumed it tells the driver to use events (inter-thread/process communication) instead of static sleep periods, therefore improving the speed on some systems
[13:56:44] gbee: but I could be 100% wrong there
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[13:57:36] kslater: juski: when did you start using epia systems?
[13:58:50] juski: kslater: ages ago. have problems playing back sdtv mpeg2 from bbc channels with my m10k on minimyth versions later than 0.20–19
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[13:59:40] kslater: wow, shouldn't even strain doing that
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[14:00:05] kslater: I have a pair of epia frontend / backend boxes
[14:00:18] juski: oh it's not straining. cpu usage is under 30% while it's pausing & gapping
[14:00:19] kslater: one is a M9k and one is M12
[14:00:52] kslater: so it stutters on playback. seems like a common problem with epia
[14:01:00] juski: on minimyth 0.20–19, playback is taking over 50% *with* xvmc enabled. with newer versions it's more like 25% but it stutters
[14:02:06] kslater: I seem to remember someone tracking down the stuttering to a problem with the video refresh rate being out of step with the audio in some fashion
[14:02:34] kslater: I've never really experienced it buy you and I have different SDTV standards
[14:03:02] gbee: juski: "Enables the use of system events in some cases when the X driver is waiting for the hardware. The X driver can briefly spin through a tight loop when waiting for the hardware. With this option the X driver instead sets an event handler and waits for the hardware through the poll() system call. Default: the use of the events is disabled."
[14:03:07] juski: I saw that, but pretty sure my ref. rate is 51Hz
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[14:03:55] gbee: so yes, it's just prevents looping/sleeping whilst waiting for a response from another process, in this case the hardware
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[14:05:00] gbee: and no, it's not just nvidia, but the useevents options only applies to the nvidia driver, I guess the other drivers would have to implement support for the X option or they may have already done so
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[14:05:19] juski: ah I see
[14:05:35] juski: one less thing I can try, then :(
[14:06:30] gbee: hmm, not quite, mis-read that but effectively it's the same thing the option only applies to the nvidia driver and if there was any performance gain to be had with it in other drivers, it would need to be implemented there
[14:06:32] juski: I'll try it again after upgrading – there might even be something 'wrong' with the recordings for all I know since I don't see the issue if I run them thru ffmpeg first
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[14:07:03] juski: it's VERY annoying
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[14:08:19] juski: totally puzzling since the CPU usage is half that of it playing without problems ffs
[14:08:50] gbee: may be an issue which is fixed in trunk, but if there isn't a trunk version of minimyth I guess you won't know
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[14:09:37] juski: oh there've been patches comitted & removed aplenty. stuff to do with the OSD being drawn twice with xvmc, then not..
[14:09:42] juski: all sorts
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[14:14:39] juski: interesting. kernel hz is set to 1000.
[14:15:38] juski: so that's reasonable.
[14:16:21] juski: I could always try hacking it up & try to run binaries from another box. see if it's the mythtv version or what
[14:18:01] Dagmar: Why not 300?
[14:18:09] Dagmar: Linus basically put that in there for *us*
[14:19:41] Dagmar: I'm not so sure aiming higher would be entirely useful on a mythtv machine
[14:19:43] juski: hmm I wonder if the kernel hz has changed since 0.20–19 minimyth
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[14:25:09] juski: nah it's been 1kHz since I started using it
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[14:39:22] [miles]: good afternoon #mythtv-users
[14:39:59] [miles]: does anyone know if there is a SoftCam available for MythTV please? Currently I am using Kaffeine + Kaffeine-SC ... but would like to try out MythTV
[14:40:20] GreyFoxx: softcam discussion is not allowed in here
[14:40:22] GreyFoxx: sorry
[14:40:48] [miles]: ah ok
[14:40:49] [miles]: sorry
[14:40:54] GreyFoxx: np
[14:41:44] [miles]: maybe you could tell me if my Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02) will be ok with it?
[14:42:14] juski: [miles]: if it works in linux it'll be good with mythtv. if it'd not good in linux, then no
[14:42:27] [miles]: it works great in Kaffeine
[14:42:39] juski: so it should be fine with mythtv then
[14:42:44] [miles]: ok great
[14:42:55] [miles]: I'll kill off Kubuntu and get Ubuntu installed
[14:43:02] [miles]: many thanks... ciao GreyFoxx
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[14:43:31] juski: kde .. gnome – they both suck to greater or lesser degrees. same diff :)
[14:44:18] jams: thats right..windowmaker is the king!
[14:44:38] Dagmar: Yowza
[14:45:02] Dagmar: I'm sure you'll see this skater footage presently, since CNN has it in heavy rotation, but I feel for this guy at X-Games
[14:45:19] Dagmar: He bobbled a 540 turn that he was about 40–50 feet in the air for
[14:45:42] Dagmar: Completely and total separation from board, legs pumping, the works. He landed so hard his *shoes* came flying off.
[14:47:39] GreyFoxx: yeah that was crazy
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[15:52:56] [miles]: hi back again :-)
[15:53:11] [miles]: ok, I've installed mythtv ...but im lost with something:
[15:53:52] [miles]: I've got the SkyStar 2 PCI card, and in kaffeine I can tell it that it's got 3 LNB's... BSKYB, Hotbird and Astra 19º
[15:54:09] [miles]: anyone tell me how I do this in Myth please, I can't seem to tune any channels at all
[15:54:10] bill2or3: ok.
[15:54:43] bill2or3: you have to create a channels list, there are a couple of different ways.
[15:55:01] bill2or3: I dont have myth here, so I cant tell you exactly where.
[15:55:02] [miles]: could I import anything from Kaffeine?
[15:55:23] bill2or3: you can import a channels.conf, if kaffeine uses the same format.
[15:55:29] [miles]: cos it's set up exactly how I like..
[15:55:32] [miles]: ok
[15:55:38] [miles]: let me just find when it stores it
[15:55:38] bill2or3: or "dvbscan" will do channel scanning.
[15:56:20] [miles]: channels.dvb
[15:56:40] [miles]: found it
[15:57:19] [miles]: it's plain text, pipe seperated | fields
[15:57:29] bill2or3: I think channels.conf uses :
[15:57:46] bill2or3: I'm sure google can tell you the format.
[15:58:25] [miles]: http://pastebin.ca/644450
[15:58:48] bill2or3: not even close.
[15:58:51] [miles]: ok
[16:00:43] [miles]: bill2or3: can I easily rescan?
[16:00:51] [miles]: bill2or3: I've never used dvbscan
[16:01:09] bill2or3: it's not too hard.
[16:01:31] bill2or3: it's part of the linux-dvb-tools package
[16:01:40] bill2or3: earlier versions were just called "scan"
[16:02:04] [miles]: ah
[16:02:06] [miles]: ok, it's installed
[16:02:09] [miles]: "scan"
[16:02:35] bill2or3: the thing that hung me up was specifying the lnb type.
[16:02:38] bill2or3: mine was 'dbs'
[16:02:53] [miles]: I have no idea what mine is
[16:02:55] [miles]: theres 3
[16:02:57] [miles]: I know that
[16:02:58] [miles]: :-)
[16:03:13] bill2or3: you have 3 seperate lnb's, with a diseq(or whatever) switch?
[16:03:34] [miles]: yep
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[16:04:43] bill2or3: you have to specify the lnb's too.
[16:04:47] bill2or3: but again, I dont remember where.
[16:05:24] [miles]: mmm
[16:05:34] [miles]: should I not be able to do this from myths setup menus?
[16:06:17] [miles]: when I choose scan, it says "Error Tuning To Transport"
[16:08:32] bill2or3: it has to be given a starting frequency that you know is good.
[16:11:53] [miles]: I find tools to convert conf -> dvb
[16:11:58] [miles]: but not the otherway round
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[16:15:22] sion_: anyone savvy on ionice regarding tv streams ?
[16:15:43] juski: [miles]: you should find valid transponder details over at www.lyngsat.com or something. then put a transponder's frequency into mythtv-setup's scanning page as a starting point. if that transponder carries details of other transponders they'll be crawled during the scan too
[16:15:48] [miles]: damn I have to run into town to pay my rent.... bill2or3thanks for the help so far, I'll be back shortly
[16:15:59] [miles]: ah ok juski
[16:16:04] [miles]: I'll just try b4 I leave
[16:16:34] juski: and let me just reiterate that if any English speaking satellite users of mythtv can be bothered – it'd be *great* if we had wiki pages to explain how the heck it all works
[16:17:17] juski: I'd do it myself but I dunno wth I'm talking about with regard to some of the details (diseq etc)
[16:17:18] [miles]: nah, still get Error parsing parameters
[16:17:37] [miles]: must run... bbs
[16:17:39] bill2or3: yeah, I couldn't really figure that stuff out either, I just kept trying until it sort of worked.
[16:17:42] [miles]: thanks guys
[16:17:59] juski: [miles]: another thing I know which I've picked up from hearsay in here is that you need to put details of your switch & LNB in the card setup pages
[16:18:13] bill2or3: yes, that.
[16:18:40] juski: somebody PLEASE document this in a form users can umm.. use :)
[16:19:22] bill2or3: that's crazy talk!
[16:20:00] sion_: juski, know anything about ionice ? just asking
[16:20:35] juski: bill2or3: it's worth a try. I might draft something up & get a dvb-s user to check it
[16:20:45] juski: sion_: no idea
[16:21:13] sion_: juski, fair enough, it should allow an io stream to get more priority/niceness, just wonder how to apply it to /dev/video0
[16:21:31] bill2or3: if you do, I can check it.
[16:21:42] juski: sion_: why? you wouldn't want to throttle a tuner card
[16:21:51] sion_: juski, your hints yesterday on the v4l2-cfg and all were brilliant btw
[16:22:07] juski: sion_: yeah, but I missed out the hyphen
[16:22:13] sion_: juski, well the stream seems temperred by linux somehow not getting full bus speed
[16:22:34] sion_: juski, fuck the hyphen, I just was looking in the wrong spot and you solved that :)
[16:22:50] juski: sion_: I'd say that was more of a bus latency problem. Maybe something to do with your motherboard chipset and/or drivers being crappy
[16:23:22] juski: via/nvidia chipsets are said to give problems with pvr tuner cards
[16:23:24] sion_: juski, more good hints.. I found a tool called pipeworks to measure output from /dev/video0 and its clear not all comes in
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[16:23:50] wang-souffle: can someone help me with a segfault problem? i'm guessing it's something with my config
[16:23:59] sion_: juski, understood.. but the thing is, and thats not meant as a flame, windows deals with it, so I am conviced linux can too tweaking it right
[16:24:19] juski: sion_: as a first step maybe try moving the tuner to another pci slot if you can. from what I remember about pci slots & priorities, sometimes motherboards can allocate handle cards better in different slots
[16:24:51] j-rod: so... I take it Axel is still pushing packages with completely busted dvb scanning...
[16:24:53] sion_: juski, setting niceness on my player helped a lot too, but it means more CPU
[16:25:21] j-rod: despite my giving him a work-around several months ago
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[16:25:55] juski: j-rod: that isn't 100% clear yet. setting up a dvb-s card is a lot more involved than just adding the card judging from what I've seen in here
[16:26:09] wang-souffle: i'm having trouble running mythtv-setup over an X ssh tunnel
[16:26:10] j-rod: juski: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/282064
[16:26:48] juski: j-rod: ahhh. my mistook. thought you were talking about young [miles]' problem there
[16:27:07] j-rod: I really ought to track down a proper fix to backport, since svn trunk works fine
[16:27:46] j-rod: juski: heh, sorry, shoulda provided some context, didn't realize something similar was already being discussed here. :)
[16:27:53] juski: wang-souffle: what I'd be tempted to do in your position is quit messing about & just set up X on the backend, even temporarily. It doesn't have to run 24/7, and it's hardly as if the amount of HDD space X eats up is big fish compared to how much space an hour's recording takes
[16:28:00] j-rod: but I'm pretty sure axel's bits are still tanked
[16:29:10] wang-souffle: juski: well, I do have X installed on the backend, but I don't have a working video card
[16:29:16] juski: I don't hear much good about mythtv & FC these days – always seems to be bad news
[16:29:38] wang-souffle: juski: and it segfaults whenever I run it, using Xvfb or tunneled over SSH
[16:29:40] juski: wang-souffle: my backend doesn't have a monitor attached most of the time, but I run vncserver & freenx
[16:30:16] wang-souffle: juski: I'm thinking it might have something to do with the display, since I used to run it with a video card
[16:30:53] juski: I can imagine it'll just cough if mythtv-setup can't find a suitable display
[16:31:23] juski: technically though it shouldn't segfault – but then a lot of things 'shouldn't' happen ;)
[16:31:51] wang-souffle: it dumps after this line if I run with debug: "2007-08–03 11:31:09.128 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'TVVidModeHeight0' AND hostname IS NULL;"
[16:32:13] wang-souffle: looks like it's looking up gui parameters and then dies
[16:32:50] juski: you know you can override any setting you want on the commandline
[16:33:17] juski: e.g. mythtv-setup -O Theme=blue -geometry 640x480.. etc
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[16:34:57] wang-souffle: yeah, tried that already
[16:35:12] wang-souffle: don't see anything strange in the db, either
[16:35:17] juski: how comes the hostname is NULL anyway?
[16:35:36] juski: does the machine have a hostname?
[16:36:12] juski: hostnames are essential (different ones at that) for mythtv working properly. different frontends & backends have to have different hostnames or all kinds of fun can ensue
[16:36:28] wang-souffle: it checks the real hostname for that key right before that line
[16:36:33] wang-souffle: context probably would have helped
[16:36:44] wang-souffle: but the keys it's looking up aren't in the database
[16:36:50] juski: well they won't be
[16:36:53] juski: not yet ;)
[16:37:00] juski: because you've not yet run mythtv-setup
[16:37:08] juski: a classic catch-22
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[16:37:28] juski: if you can run vncserver, try that. always works on mine
[16:37:52] juski: so it's not secure, but I'll bet you're at home so don't need the fluffy pillows ssh provides
[16:38:21] juski: and when you're all done you can just kill the vncserver
[16:38:42] wang-souffle: problem is, this backend has been working for a long, long time
[16:38:43] jams: juski- Global settings have a NULL hostname
[16:38:45] wang-souffle: not a new install
[16:39:00] wang-souffle: and vnc won't work, since i can't start mythtv-setup in Xvfb
[16:39:01] juski: jams: ah!
[16:39:05] wang-souffle: crashes there, too
[16:39:11] jams: pretty sure tvvidheight is not a global
[16:39:50] juski: wang-souffle: you sure your db isn't hosed then?
[16:40:01] wang-souffle: yep, can access it fine
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[16:40:56] juski: speaking of databases, time to back up mine. updating the backend tonight. it's about time
[16:42:41] wang-souffle: for example, here's some more context: "2007-08–03 11:42:10.947 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'TVVidModeHeight0' AND hostname = 'backend' ;
[16:42:44] wang-souffle: 2007-08–03 11:42:10.947 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'TVVidModeHeight0' AND hostname IS NULL;
[16:42:47] wang-souffle: Segmentation fault"
[16:42:55] jams: welcome czth
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[16:45:01] czth: thank you
[16:45:20] czth: btw, what's the latest from zap2it? are they still going to pull the plug in sept.?
[16:46:07] GreyFoxx: yes, but an alternative will be in place
[16:46:28] czth: what's the name of the site set up for that? last time i went it didn't have much content.
[16:46:38] GreyFoxx: schedulesdirect.org
[16:46:42] GreyFoxx: still doesn't
[16:46:56] GreyFoxx: but an announcement is expected very soon
[16:47:08] czth: yay
[16:47:32] czth: my local cable changed their channel lineup and we were without data for just a few days, even that was a PITA
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[16:55:21] xris: very soon... [grumbles about lawyers and slow business license filings]
[16:56:12] Dagmar: Ouch
[16:56:19] juski: is this video working for anybody here? http://flamekebab.blip.tv/file/316410/ doesn't seem to work – I can live with that :)
[16:56:25] Dagmar: Sometimes you gotta ride those people at the county seat
[16:56:45] Dagmar: juski: If it's any consolation, it wasn't working for me earlier, either.
[16:56:48] xris: Dagmar: everything except the business license had a "rush processing" fee...
[16:56:52] clever: ive done the svn update;make clean;make;make install some1 told me to do a month ago to fix my bug
[16:56:55] clever: and its still happening
[16:57:44] Dagmar: That's why it's called a "bug" and not an "installation error"
[16:57:59] clever: some1 said it was because i didnt make clean after a svn update
[16:58:10] clever: but ive found a way to reproduce the backend crash using mythweb
[16:58:18] kormoc: and I'm so sure we all remember your bug after a month
[16:58:27] clever: lol
[16:58:40] clever: the master backend is opening tcp connections to itself
[16:58:51] clever: which lead to what looks like a feedback loop
[16:58:56] clever: causing high cpu usage
[16:59:08] juski: Dagmar: the LRL 'live & unleashed' clip he's got up there had terrible audio anyway, so it's prolly not worth the effort
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[16:59:36] gbee: juski: http://blip.tv/file/get/Flamekebab-LRL2007MythTVTalk230.avi
[17:00:08] ** juski prepares to cringe **
[17:00:08] sion_: ooo flamekebab is always nice with ketchup
[17:00:11] kormoc: clever, and given there's a open trac ticket about it, which has not been closed as fixed or invalid, how would updating the source and recompiling help?
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[17:00:35] clever: kormoc: dont know but thats what the last person told me to do to fix it
[17:00:59] gbee: juski: I've just about wiped that weekend from my memory
[17:01:00] clever: he was probly thinking i had a error from linking diff versions of the code together(which make should prevent if the makefile was made properly)
[17:01:37] kormoc: clever, until you see ticket #3720 get commented on, I wouldn't bother attempting to get it working
[17:02:17] clever: that looks like it makes mine(3739) a duplicate
[17:02:36] clever: and mine just got commented as that 2 days ago:P
[17:03:22] gbee: now it's been closed as a duplicate
[17:03:28] clever: ahh:)
[17:03:41] jams: xris- i wouldn't expect anything less then a month for that stuff to be processed
[17:04:17] xris: jams: said 14 days
[17:04:29] xris: but it was processed almost instantly
[17:04:40] xris: should be in the mail now — will hopefully show up today.
[17:04:51] xris: it's hard to do payment process testing without a bank acct.
[17:05:01] gbee: xris: are you completely committed to using internal code for the replacement? Instead of a xmltv based solution?
[17:05:04] jams: heh..i know
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[17:11:35] gbee: it's probably too far along to change anything now, I just sense we might miss an opportunity to simplify the code and reduce duplication, a single listings parser would be easier to maintain too
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[17:17:04] jarle__: How do I make the frontend return to the channel I was last watching when entering LiveTV, can't seem to find it in the settings?
[17:18:41] Cry_wolf2: juski: are you "here" ?
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[17:20:17] laga: juski: nice talk
[17:21:20] Frush3: Somebody can help me? I tried a channel scan with MythTV but there are no channels. :(
[17:22:20] jarle__: Frush3: what kind of input?
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[17:22:57] jams: jarle__- It will pick a tuner, and use the last channel you were watching on that tuner.
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[17:23:59] Frush3: jarle__: Well, I'm new to MythTV. I Got a WinTV Nova SE2 which works fine with "mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0". The first problem is: What card do I have? Is it an "analog V4L" card? Or a "DVB DTV TV card (v3.x)"?
[17:24:16] Frush3: DVB-S
[17:24:34] bill2or3: dvb-s
[17:24:35] bill2or3: yes
[17:25:22] Frush3: I cannot select pure "DVB-S" as "card type".
[17:25:50] gbee: laga: wasn't really a prepared talk, they asked him after we arrived if he'd do it, so it was very good considering
[17:26:00] laga: gbee: yeah
[17:26:07] laga: gbee: i like how the camera guy sneezes, though
[17:26:20] laga: Frush3: "DVB DTV TV card (v3.x)"
[17:26:32] Frush3: laga: Ok, then I'll select that.
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[17:31:54] jarle__: jams: I only have one tuner. If I enter live TV it will start at the channel specified in mythtv-setup (at the backend). I then change to a channel and exit to the menu on the frontend, when I then re-enter live TV I would expect it to show the channel I was just watching before leaving LiveTV.. instead it returns to whichever channel is configured at the backend...
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[17:32:17] Frush3: Some doc recommended to "edit transponders" before doing a channel scan. Is that correct?
[17:34:36] jams: jarle__- the "starting channel" is updated on every succesful channel change.
[17:35:02] jams: are you by chance setting the "preset channel" setting?
[17:35:25] jams: if so, that would cause behaviour your describing
[17:35:26] gbee: Frush3: shouldn't be necessary, unless the person writing the doc found a bug but never reported it
[17:35:40] Frush3: gbee: okay
[17:40:54] juski: I can't bring myself to watch that video. feel too narcissistic. glad it's ok though :)
[17:41:20] Frush3: Hm. I tried "Read channels.conf". Console output looked fine ("Imported channel: ...") but then I got "DiSEqCDevTree, Error: DiSEqC command failed eno: Unknown error 524 (524)" and "DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!" and "DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices" (the last two messages repeated very often).
[17:41:55] sphery: gbee: Question about theme aspects... Should we be accounting for the difference between "input" and "output" aspect ratio?
[17:43:02] juski: sphery: why?
[17:43:11] ** gbee 's head explodes **
[17:43:38] juski: sphery: I don't even think an aspect tag should even be present for anything other than information purposes
[17:44:00] gbee: that's the only purpose I had in mind for it
[17:44:11] juski: a theme's base resolution (when it's sorted in the code) will determine the aspect ratio
[17:44:51] sphery: gbee: For example, with a Myth box set at 800x600 (4:3) on a 4:3 display (projector or something), we have same aspect for input and output (square pixels). For a PVR-350 user, a 720x480 (3:2) resolution is used, but it's displayed on a 4:3 display (CRT TV).
[17:44:56] juski: you couldn't have a theme's images being clipped or cropped to fit a screen area – that'd be unacceptable in the extreme – they have to get stretched
[17:45:08] juski: sphery: tv pixels aren't square anyway
[17:45:17] juski: computer pixels are
[17:45:55] sphery: There would be scaling of the theme images (to a 3:2 aspect) and they'd be "stretched" back to shape by the output, but if the purpose is to allow non-scaled theme images we can't without accounting for both.
[17:46:03] juski: it's all about the screen aspect anyway, not the resolution. it's technically wrong to talk of NTSC in terms of pixels anyway
[17:46:25] juski: or PAL, for that matter
[17:46:47] sphery: I didn't talk about pixels in NTSC--I talked about pixels on the PVR-350's framebuffer
[17:47:11] sphery: But, some people run at 1280x1024 (5:4) GUI res and output on a 4:3 projector or a 4:3 TV.
[17:47:51] juski: if you're outputting from a TV out running X at 800x600, you're on a 4:3 aspect display. If you output at 720x480, it's still on a 4:3 display
[17:48:24] sphery: There are 5:4 monitors (the one I'm on, for example), but without accounting for both, we can't make themes that aren't scaled differently on different axes.
[17:48:31] juski: in any case, folks running X at greater than PAL or NTSC frame sizes are kidding themselves since the TV encoder scales the input
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[17:49:49] sphery: Right--the output aspect is definitely important--it makes sure circles are circular in the end result. The input is only important if we want users to be able to choose a theme that doesn't need scaling (or is scaled by the same factor in both axes).
[17:49:53] juski: if higher resolutions look any better it'd only be because the digital reconstruction filters on the TV encoder are crap
[17:50:43] juski: sphery: what the hell are you trying to accomplish here? I can hardly be bothered to make themes for two aspects let alone more. People with 5:4 aspects can go put stuff where the sun doesn't shine for all I care ;)
[17:50:48] sphery: Right. (And they did on my system using an NVIDIA TV out--because rather than scaling X down to some Yx480 resolution, the TV out chips sample the unscaled image).
[17:51:32] sphery: Yeah. I'm not suggesting you should.
[17:51:38] juski: sure 16:10 vs 16:9 looks a little different but it's much less jarring than some idiot ruining his TV by stretching 4:3 to 16:9
[17:51:47] sphery: As a matter of fact, I don't think you should bother with 16:10 or 5:4 themes, either.
[17:51:48] gbee: sphery: wrt to the theme info files, we only need to know (and can only know) the starting aspect, any further manipulation would have to be dealt with by internal scaling calculations
[17:52:24] sphery: But, if we only have one aspect ratio (aspect of the theme images), we're assuming square pixels.
[17:52:25] juski: however – there IS (I think) some basis for ensuring some images don't get stretched
[17:52:59] juski: sphery: TVs nowadays are doing unthinkable scaling to the input you supply them anyway, so there's no guarantee of any pixel shape
[17:53:09] sphery: The square pixel issue was a big issue for fonts in 0.20-fixes and below, so...
[17:53:35] juski: and it's a well known fact that the human eye is much more forgiving of a lack of resolution *across* the picture than up & down it
[17:53:44] gbee: sphery: we can get the aspect ratio of the display from the screen dimensions, but I'm not sure how that relates to the theme info files
[17:53:45] ** Tanthrix quitely roots for 1080p sized theme images, as we're on the topic of themeing changes **
[17:53:48] juski: hence all the 1024x768 panels
[17:54:06] juski: Tanthrix: definitely, and for the OSD themes especially!
[17:54:30] juski: so few images are used in OSD themes it wouldn't even make much difference to the filesize
[17:54:32] gbee: OSD themes need a major boost in base res
[17:54:39] Tanthrix: They're all scaled anyway, so as near as I can tell there is not any concievable reason for not doing it, sort of concerns for people with dial up.
[17:54:51] Tanthrix: short of, rather
[17:54:58] juski: dial-up? muhahahahaha. let them eat cake!
[17:55:25] jams: they can eat cake, while they wait on stuff to download!
[17:55:27] Tanthrix: Indeed. I was going to make that my project, but I quickly learned that I don't have any clue about how to implement that.
[17:55:32] sphery: gbee: Since a theme is designed using a fixed number of pixels (which is the one you're putting in the theme info file), at some output aspect ratio, those pixels end up in the right place (squares are square, circles are circular). At any other display aspect ratio, the pixels are in the wrong place.
[17:56:06] sphery: So, if the theme designer wanted one look, when displayed on any other display aspect ratio, the theme wouldn't have that look.
[17:56:14] gbee: sphery: yes
[17:56:41] juski: what I'd like to have is a facility where the aspect ratio of images can be preserved so that if somebody runs a 16:9 theme at 16:10, things like squares (such as the title icons) don't look squished
[17:56:51] gbee: which is why the aspect ratio is listed in the themeinfo file, so the user can see what aspect the theme is designed for
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[17:57:14] juski: could we easily have a <preserveaspect>yes</preserveaspect> tag for some images?
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[17:57:22] sphery: I'd argue it's more feasible to get the base theme resolution from the fixed pixel theme images (though that would require the background being the full size of the theme, which is probably not a good thing) and report the display (output) aspect ratio in the theme info (designed for 4:3 displays).
[17:58:04] gbee: sphery: that's exactly what we're doing
[17:58:14] gbee: of I'm completely mis-understanding
[17:58:20] gbee: s/of/or/
[17:58:23] sphery: So the aspect isn't the aspect of the images in the theme?
[17:58:41] sphery: And you're getting the aspect of images in the theme from the images themselves?
[17:58:45] juski: sphery: themes are gonna have an <aspect> tag for information purposes to tell users the *intended* display aspect
[17:59:02] juski: and then there's gonna be a <baseres> tag which specifies the base resolution
[17:59:13] juski: the aspect ratio is inherently tied to that base res
[17:59:14] sphery: OK, I see baseres.
[17:59:26] gbee: it is .... no I really don't understand (which could be entirely my fault)
[17:59:26] sphery: Which means we do have an input and output aspect.
[17:59:27] juski: assuming square pixels, because we're on computers it's ok to do that
[17:59:31] sphery: Sorry. Missed that.
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[17:59:41] Frush3: Is there a possibility to let mythtv-setup to clear _all_ data previously entered? (I entered some data in the "DVB transponder editor" but there's no "Delete all data" option.)
[17:59:46] sphery: The input aspect is provided by baseres.
[17:59:51] sphery: The output is provided by aspect
[18:00:07] juski: sphery: NO. the output ratio is provided by whatever size the user runs mythtv at
[18:00:24] sphery: The "designed for this output aspect" is provided by aspect
[18:00:37] gbee: yes
[18:00:50] juski: sphery: if it was hard coded like that, folks wouldn't be able to run a wide theme at 720x576 like I do & have it amorphically squished so it comes out looking fine on their TV
[18:00:52] sphery: So, I'm happy.
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[18:01:10] sphery: juski: I realize it gets sized to the display, regardless.
[18:01:27] juski: sphery: ah but it could easily be set hard
[18:01:34] sphery: I was just saying that I want a differentiation between theme image sizes and desired aspect.
[18:01:44] juski: like "thou shalt not squish me theme, ye bastards"
[18:01:45] sphery: And, it's there.
[18:01:54] sphery: I just missed baseres
[18:02:05] juski: we're well ahead o ya ;)
[18:02:08] sphery: Yep.
[18:02:14] sphery: I should leave this stuff to you guys.
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[18:02:23] sphery: You're on top of things.
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[18:02:30] juski: nah it's good to thrash stuff out just incase we're not
[18:02:35] ** gbee 's brain dribbles out his nose **
[18:02:42] sphery: Sorry, gbee and juski.
[18:02:47] Frush3: Okay guys. Seems I'm on the wrong channel. Thanks & cya!
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[18:02:51] sphery: I'll read more closely next time.
[18:03:00] juski: contrary to what the guy who called me a c*** thought yesterday, we're not above criticism
[18:03:12] sphery: Frush3: use Delete all capture cards
[18:03:19] sphery: (In case he ever checks the logs)
[18:03:24] juski: pfft
[18:03:49] juski: hang on. did I miss something yesterday. where was the part where I went postal & deleted all my website?
[18:03:51] sphery: Yeah, juski, I saw your discussion in #mythtv. I can't believe some people...
[18:04:19] Cry_wolf2: juski you who know OSD-stuff...how hard would it be to make it show bothe the current show and the next when you are zapping trough channells ?
[18:04:27] ** juski gives himself a pat on the back for keeping his cool **
[18:04:33] sphery: "I've written code before, so I have a special pass into the dev channel..." (Otherwise I wasted my time copying "Hello, world!" from a web page and typing gcc...)
[18:04:44] juski: Cry_wolf2: a lot more than editing a piddly xml file, put it that way!
[18:04:55] Cry_wolf2: oki.
[18:05:14] sphery: wouldn't it also require modifying the C++, too.
[18:05:16] juski: Cry_wolf2: don't get me started on stuff I wished the OSD could do.
[18:05:21] Cry_wolf2: Thats the only thing i miss from the "normal" digitalbox
[18:05:34] sphery: Cry_wolf2: you can use channel browse mode to see what's next.
[18:05:48] sphery: (only problem is that it's another couple of button presses)
[18:06:00] juski: one day I'll write down some ideas & make pretty pictures. might be easy to do in code
[18:06:03] Cry_wolf2: channell browse ? You mean epg ?=
[18:06:08] sphery: Nope.
[18:06:10] sphery: One sec.
[18:06:40] sphery: by default, hit 'O' (that's oh, not zero)
[18:06:44] sphery: While watching TV.
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[18:06:56] sphery: THen, you can hit right to go to next show on this channel.
[18:07:14] sphery: Hit up to go to show (at same time as one you're currently viewing) on up channel...
[18:07:25] Cry_wolf2: Hmm..ok will try that when my gf finnish gilmore girls :(
[18:07:50] juski: if I was a livetv user I'd be more inclined to go for a mini-guide view – like the livetv EPG but with a lot more of the screen devoted to video
[18:07:58] sphery: You can enable browse mode as the default (I do) with "Always use Browse mode when changing channels in LiveTV"
[18:08:15] gbee: adding a now/next mode to the OSD would be fairly simple, but it just requires a little time which I'm short of currently
[18:08:17] juski: sphery: but you can't see at a glance what's on channels or times either side
[18:08:25] juski: it's a valid idea IMHO
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[18:08:44] sphery: Right. That's why I said it takes a couple more button presses.
[18:08:53] juski: I wouldn't even mind theming up the changes for a mini-guide & now&next view
[18:08:59] sphery: But, it's something that's in there now, rather than a promise of what's up in the future.
[18:09:44] juski: lose the description from browse mode & drop a couple of lines of upcoming show titles. peasy
[18:10:14] juski: then it'd just need a new area defined in the xml :)
[18:10:43] juski: I should work on my appearance mangling thing again soon before I forget how far I got with it
[18:12:15] juski: anybody got a cloning machine handy?
[18:14:29] Cry_wolf2: I have ghost 7.5 here someware
[18:14:53] Cry_wolf2: ghost.exe -auto -span -crc juski
[18:15:15] Cry_wolf2: I belive -crc is "Ignore errorchecking" :=)
[18:16:29] jarle__: jams: the preset channel setting at the frontend or backend?
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[18:21:24] yoshibond: hi everyone
[18:22:15] juski: hi yoshibond. happy friday :)
[18:22:32] yoshibond: hehe thanks
[18:23:00] juski: woo I have a window between 9pm and 12.30am to update my backend. I think that should be doable
[18:23:12] yoshibond: would someone here be able to walk me through how to setup the tv-out on my ubuntu box – i installed the video drivers and the tv out shows while booting but as soon as the ubuntu/mythtv loads it goes off
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[18:23:27] wang-souffle: does mythtv-setup ever try to use opengl?
[18:23:45] yoshibond: i set it to opengl
[18:23:56] wang-souffle: where is that preference?
[18:24:29] juski: wang-souffle: mythtv-setup will use opengl if you've ever left mythfrontend set to use it
[18:24:29] wang-souffle: in the database i mean
[18:24:35] wang-souffle: hmm
[18:24:38] wang-souffle: i wonder if that's it
[18:24:39] Aval0n: if you use a mediamvp as a front end using mvpmc, can you pause,RW and FF?
[18:24:48] juski: you can override it by using mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt
[18:25:15] juski: Aval0n: yeah – I think even commercial skipping works
[18:25:24] boiddude: hello
[18:25:31] Aval0n: I saw on an FAQ that commercial skipping didn't work
[18:25:36] boiddude: does mythtv support x800 using component
[18:25:37] Aval0n: it could be outdated however.
[18:25:41] juski: Aval0n: I said "I think" ;)
[18:25:45] Aval0n: ;)
[18:25:50] laga: boiddude: what's x800?
[18:25:52] wang-souffle: juski: nope, still segfaults :(
[18:25:56] juski: Aval0n: anyway, ffw, rew & pause will work
[18:26:00] Aval0n: youde think my question would be on the FAW
[18:26:01] boiddude: sorry an ATI X800 card
[18:26:05] Aval0n: FAQ* but it wasn't
[18:26:18] juski: boiddude: if you can get that PoS working in linux, then yeah
[18:26:23] Aval0n: juski and if I have an HD recording on the backend, it will stream it to a mediamvp?
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[18:26:35] juski: Aval0n: it'll stream it but the mvp won't play it
[18:26:44] Aval0n: really?
[18:26:45] laga: boiddude: mythtv does not care. the card has to be supported by linux. it should also provide xvideo support. note, however, that ATI/AMd states that mythtv is not supported by their fglrx driver
[18:26:47] Aval0n: bummer
[18:26:52] Aval0n: someone said it would play but be fuzzy
[18:26:56] juski: Aval0n: that kind of stuff is planned for the way distant future
[18:26:58] Aval0n: but I wasn't sure that was accurate
[18:26:58] laga: boiddude: http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.as . . . tionID=26907
[18:27:10] Aval0n: you're 100% positive on that juski?
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[18:27:32] juski: Aval0n: you'd need to transcode it first
[18:27:35] Aval0n: let me rephrase my question
[18:27:46] Aval0n: HD recordings
[18:27:49] Aval0n: not livetv
[18:28:04] Aval0n: same difference?
[18:28:08] juski: Aval0n: NO. they'd still be the same resolution & bitrate
[18:28:22] Aval0n: ok.
[18:28:31] juski: Aval0n: the MVP can play PAL or NTSC, mpeg2.. MAX
[18:28:41] Aval0n: and divx now I guess
[18:28:58] juski: no it can't play divx or xvid natively. they rely on a transcoding backend
[18:29:05] boiddude: I know that that card supports it in windows but not seeing the display out of component
[18:29:33] Aval0n: hmm i was reading something about the new mvpmc supporting divx to mvp now without that
[18:29:38] boiddude: there has to be a better idea then a blanket lets just say this so we don't have to support it option
[18:29:38] Aval0n: lemme verify that's correct brb...
[18:30:01] boiddude: anyone know of a cheap card I can get that would be around the quality of that x800 card?
[18:30:11] boiddude: with component out that is supported?
[18:30:29] Aval0n: juski are you a dev?
[18:30:33] Aval0n: just wondering
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[18:31:21] GreyFoxx: the mvpmc software uses vlc running on another PC to transcode non mpeg2 content on the fly and the mvp itself plays/decodes the mpeg2 stream
[18:31:51] boiddude: well it does say that it has tv out capability that is all I am looking for
[18:31:54] Aval0n: can I use my main backend for the transcoding?
[18:32:08] boiddude: just a way to play back movies over the network
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[18:32:33] GreyFoxx: Aval0n: you can use the same computer assuming you have enough cpu for whatever you run on it
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[18:32:47] Aval0n: 3.0ghz p4 with 1 gig of memory enough?
[18:32:52] Aval0n: I only plan on a 2 TV setup
[18:32:57] GreyFoxx: I would think so
[18:33:14] Aval0n: and currently vlc can't transcode HD content to send to an analog medimvp?
[18:33:15] GreyFoxx: I got rid of my mvp's a few months ago. they had sat on the shelf long enough so I sold them to a friend :)
[18:33:18] Aval0n: like juski was saying
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[18:34:04] GreyFoxx: Aval0n: no idea about that
[18:34:16] Aval0n: ok cool thank you
[18:34:38] Aval0n: you highly recommend not using a medimvp?
[18:35:17] GreyFoxx: certainly not. It works, but is often I found more work than most users are willing to put in for what is honestly a very limited frontend
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[18:35:41] GreyFoxx: but if someone has one and wants to use it, more power to them
[18:35:43] Cry_wolf2: Intel will be launching new four core 45nm Intel Core Extreme "Penryn" processors in Q4 2007. The top of the line proc is likely to hit 3.33GHz, run a 1333MHz system bus and hold 12MB of L2 cache
[18:35:55] Aval0n: here is my main concern, my wife loves american idol and she makes me watch it with her. I have an HD TV in the main room. If I'm going to be forced to watch that... I would at leat like to see it in HD. But sometimes, she gets tired and wants to finish the show in the bedroom.
[18:35:59] Cry_wolf2: Should work nice in a mythtvbox :=)
[18:36:10] Tanthrix: boiddude: If you're looking for a new video card, just get any modern nvidia card with component output.
[18:36:33] Aval0n: MSI Geforce 7300GS w/HDMI $75.83 shipped.
[18:36:33] Aval0n: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127267
[18:37:08] mkrufky: i bought one of those for 55 last week
[18:37:09] Tanthrix: You can go cheaper than that, for certain.
[18:37:23] Aval0n: mkr wher?
[18:37:25] Aval0n: "_
[18:37:26] Aval0n: :)
[18:37:32] Aval0n: that's the cheapest I've found for that card
[18:37:34] mkrufky: it was a gift for a friend, so i cannot speak for the driver — he runs windblows
[18:37:38] mkrufky: i got it at staples
[18:37:42] mkrufky: oops... i paid$60
[18:37:49] mkrufky: but i saw it on pricewatch for $55
[18:38:03] mkrufky: staples first told me they would pricematch, turns out they lied
[18:38:07] Aval0n: that was the lowest price on pricewatch I could find =/
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[18:38:18] mkrufky: damn ... prices went up over a week?!?
[18:38:20] boiddude: thank you
[18:38:29] wang-souffle: juski: ha, i figured out the segfault problem--I wasn't using -Y in the ssh to the box, so it must have been permissions
[18:38:30] boiddude: now I have to figure out what to do with this card :(
[18:38:34] Aval0n: Would mythtv have any problem recoding american idol on both the HDTV tuner and the analog tuner at the same time?
[18:38:40] Aval0n: that way she could watch either recording
[18:38:44] mkrufky: yuck
[18:38:46] mkrufky: but no
[18:38:57] Aval0n: lol
[18:38:59] Tanthrix: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125071 <--That will satisfy ALL your possible video needs in linux, and it's only $38
[18:39:01] mkrufky: instead, just record it in digital, on the sdtv channel and the hdtv channel concurrently
[18:39:12] mkrufky: why encode if you dont have to?
[18:39:21] ** Aval0n looks at mk ith a blank stair **
[18:39:21] Tanthrix: Fanless too
[18:39:36] Aval0n: i'm confused
[18:39:37] mkrufky: fox broadcasts both SDTV and HDTV
[18:39:42] mkrufky: both are digital
[18:39:44] mkrufky: analog sucks
[18:39:48] Aval0n: right
[18:39:51] Aval0n: but I have 1 HD tuner
[18:39:57] mkrufky: oh, ha ha
[18:40:00] Aval0n: I can't record 2 chans at the same time right?
[18:40:16] mkrufky: you can, but not sdtv fox and hdtv fox — they're on different frequencies
[18:40:44] mkrufky: (and if they were onthe same frequency, then you would be able to do it using multirec branch)
[18:41:08] Tanthrix: boiddude: It's possible your ATI card might work – do a bit of research. But for linux, most (where most == all) of the time nvidia is king
[18:41:08] Aval0n: so how would that work in myth, if my wife tells it on the guide to record american idol at 7:00 if it sees the same guide info on both chans, would it skip one?
[18:41:11] mkrufky: not like i've tried it or anything — i have 4 tuners in my backend :-P
[18:41:17] Aval0n: or would she have to maunally set recording times
[18:41:31] boiddude: what about the 8600 from nvidia? Is it supported? I need it to play BF2 also
[18:41:33] mkrufky: ah, if you want myth to record two of the same program, you have to force it
[18:41:37] mkrufky: i use mythweb for that
[18:41:45] Aval0n: hmmm
[18:41:54] mkrufky: otherwise, it will pick the channel broadcast of the higher priority
[18:41:56] Aval0n: can you make a rule to force it all of the time?
[18:42:01] mkrufky: maybe ./.. i dont know
[18:42:02] Tanthrix: boiddude: Check the nvidia page, but almost certainly unless it's too new or something. They have *amazingly* good drivers
[18:43:10] Tanthrix: Aval0n: Is your bed room system too slow to playback HD or something?
[18:43:21] Aval0n: I don't have one yet
[18:43:26] Aval0n: but I was planning on a mediamvp
[18:43:35] Aval0n: I only have a 25" non-hdtv in the bedroom
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[18:43:59] Aval0n: and a couple helpfull ppl in here have told me the medimvp won't even show the streaming hd recording
[18:44:12] Tanthrix: Instead of all this recording two channels at once business, just get a system that is fast enough to do HD. You'll probably get a new TV at some point anyway
[18:44:52] Aval0n: so if I have a frontend that's capable of streaming HD, can i TV-out it non-hd?
[18:45:07] GreyFoxx: yes
[18:45:11] Aval0n: red white and yellow RCA
[18:45:14] Aval0n: oh snap
[18:45:15] GreyFoxx: the system will scale it
[18:45:22] Tanthrix: The system will scale anything.
[18:45:23] Aval0n: well dayam
[18:45:26] GreyFoxx: I record HD now but I don;t have an HDoutput
[18:45:31] Aval0n: I guess that just means a bit more money
[18:45:45] Aval0n: hmm
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[18:46:06] Aval0n: I have a little compaq deskpro server...
[18:46:16] Aval0n: I dunno if it has TVout though...
[18:46:28] Aval0n: would an xbox be fast enough for an HD streaming front end?
[18:46:38] Aval0n: i have one of those collecting dust..
[18:47:11] Tanthrix: No
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[18:47:46] Aval0n: damn
[18:47:53] Aval0n: what about a 700mhz duron PC?
[18:48:06] Tanthrix: No.
[18:48:06] Aval0n: probably about the same as the xbox?
[18:48:37] Aval0n: is it difficuly to force myth to record 2 chans at the same time?
[18:48:41] Aval0n: dificult*
[18:48:46] Aval0n: omg ignore spelling please
[18:49:16] Aval0n: I *hate* microsoft natural keyboards
[18:49:25] Tanthrix: Probably not.
[18:50:09] GreyFoxx: Aval0n: Myth will record as manychannels at once as ytou have tuners for
[18:50:25] GreyFoxx: more tuners = more channels
[18:50:33] Aval0n: I have 1 kworld atsc 115, and 2 pvr 150's
[18:50:40] GreyFoxx: so you can record 3 items at once
[18:50:45] Tanthrix: He wants to record the exact same show in HD and SD, automatically.
[18:50:49] GreyFoxx: oh
[18:50:59] GreyFoxx: will I've never tried that
[18:51:10] GreyFoxx: but I imagine it could be done
[18:51:18] GreyFoxx: it would depend on the recording rule you set I imagine
[18:51:23] Aval0n: right..
[18:51:38] Tanthrix: Worst comes to worst a manual recording schedule could do it,.
[18:51:43] Aval0n: maybe a manual settings of channel X from 6:55pm to 8:10pm
[18:52:03] Aval0n: interesting
[18:52:12] Aval0n: I thank all of you very much for your info
[18:52:21] Aval0n: I think I'm going to fly with a mediamvp for now
[18:52:35] Aval0n: until I get a bit more money in the future to buy a more expensive frontend
[18:53:12] mkrufky: GreyFoxx: i've done it, by forcing the recording on both HD & SD channels via mythweb
[18:53:52] Aval0n: does myth have any kind of pixel shift to prevent burn-in?
[18:53:52] mkrufky: schedule it on both channels — then, it will automatically chose the one of higher priority
[18:53:55] Aval0n: or screen saver
[18:54:02] mkrufky: go to the upcoming recordings, force the other,
[18:54:11] mkrufky: reload thepage, you'll find the original one will be marked E
[18:54:15] mkrufky: force that one too
[18:54:18] mkrufky: then both will record
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[18:54:23] Aval0n: cool
[18:54:38] Aval0n: can you set a rule to make that happen every time that show is on?
[18:54:45] mkrufky: there might be another way, but i need to do that only so rarely, that it isnt worth it
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[18:54:57] mkrufky: you probably can, Aval0n . but i dont know for sure
[18:55:03] Aval0n: cool
[18:55:28] mkrufky: btw, i think i saw you talking in the logs ... the atsc115 uses nxt2004 — not nxt2000
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[18:55:45] Aval0n: I bleive so
[18:55:50] mkrufky: nxt2000 is not supported by linux
[18:55:58] mkrufky: (although it should not be difficult to add support)
[18:56:05] mkrufky: it's not supported, because nobody cares
[18:56:06] mkrufky: :-)
[18:56:24] Aval0n: :)
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[18:57:25] Aval0n: Kworld ATSC 110 & kworld 115 have an nxt2004 chip like the ATI HDTV Wonder and AVerTV HD A180.
[18:57:43] Aval0n: when I went to install myth with ubuntu it gave me a list of selectable tuners
[18:58:00] Aval0n: It didn't show the kworld, so I chose the avermedia 180 since it had the same chip
[18:58:04] Aval0n: I wonder if it will work
[18:58:10] Aval0n: I havn't set the card up yet.
[18:58:22] mkrufky: it will work
[18:58:29] Aval0n: excellent
[18:58:40] mkrufky: i, personally, think it's silly that mythtv cares what specific card it is
[18:58:47] mkrufky: they're all handled the same way
[18:59:03] Aval0n: mkrufky: on this page here.. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110 it talks about d/ling the firmware but it just is putting it in the modules dir... does it actually get flashed to the card?
[18:59:13] Aval0n: or do I have to actually flash fw to get it working>
[18:59:17] mkrufky: not flashed — downloaded
[18:59:19] Aval0n: sorry for the horrible nick comp
[18:59:25] mkrufky: nick comp ?
[18:59:25] Aval0n: cool
[18:59:31] Aval0n: nick completion script
[18:59:37] mkrufky: i dont get it
[18:59:38] Aval0n: the bold / underline garbage
[18:59:45] mkrufky: i see no such
[18:59:47] Aval0n: this is not my machine
[18:59:51] mkrufky: i prefer nick completions
[19:00:04] mkrufky: you're talking about something you see and we dont — dont worry about it
[19:00:28] Aval0n: lol ok
[19:00:38] mkrufky: dont put the firmware in the modules dir, lol
[19:00:42] mkrufky: it goes in the firmware dir
[19:01:00] Aval0n: my fw dir differs from that instruction page
[19:01:03] Aval0n: I dunno where it os
[19:01:21] Aval0n: I'm used to seeing the kernel source in /usr/src/linux-2.6.xxx/
[19:01:26] Aval0n: but I have something like
[19:01:37] Aval0n: /usr/src/linux-2.6.0.15-headers
[19:01:47] Aval0n: and a bunch of funky stuff I don't see the kernl source anywhre on the machine
[19:02:00] Aval0n: it's ubuntu feisty fawn
[19:02:03] mkrufky: /lib/firmware
[19:02:08] Aval0n: cool
[19:02:20] Aval0n: I guess that would make sense since modules go in /lib/modules
[19:02:28] mkrufky: nope,. they dont
[19:02:38] Aval0n: they don't?
[19:02:38] mkrufky: they go in /lib/modules/`uname -r`
[19:02:56] mkrufky: ubuntu WANTS you to put your firmware in /lib/firmware/`uname -r` — but you shouldnt
[19:03:07] mkrufky: thats just a silly ubuntu-ism
[19:03:20] mkrufky: (i love ubuntu, btw)
[19:03:21] Aval0n: uname -r
[19:03:29] Aval0n: doesn't that just show the system info?
[19:03:30] mkrufky: note the backtick
[19:03:40] Aval0n: kernel version?
[19:03:50] mkrufky: cd that dir and ull see
[19:03:52] Aval0n: like /lib/firmware/linux-2.6.15...
[19:04:02] Aval0n: I'm on a winbloze machine atm
[19:04:03] Aval0n: at work
[19:04:15] sion_: lil spam, anyone savvy on iotune regarding /dev/video0 ?
[19:04:37] mkrufky: ok, fine... the `backticks` tell the shell to execute whats inside, and insert that into the cmd
[19:04:39] sion_: ionice even
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[19:04:52] Aval0n: I know that...
[19:04:58] Aval0n: I was trying to figure out what uname outputed
[19:04:59] mkrufky: then what are you asking me?
[19:05:05] Aval0n: I just remember kernel name and info
[19:05:16] Aval0n: I was asking what uname -r did :P
[19:05:24] Aval0n: am i remembering correctly:?
[19:05:36] Aval0n: never mind me goole
[19:05:58] Aval0n: ok it's what I thought
[19:05:59] Aval0n: thanks :P
[19:06:04] mkrufky: uname -r gives kernel version in the same format as the dir names
[19:06:12] Aval0n: I gotta get back to work. Thank you for all your useful info
[19:06:25] mkrufky: you're welcom
[19:06:26] mkrufky: e
[19:08:33] clever: !wiki
[19:08:47] clever: !url wiki
[19:08:47] MythLogBot: wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/
[19:09:39] janneg: mkrufky: btw did you already look at my dvb adapter number module option patch?
[19:10:35] mkrufky: janneg: i took a quick glance ... will look again now
[19:11:08] mkrufky: thanks for reminding me
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[19:16:10] janneg: mkrufky: no problem
[19:16:28] mkrufky: janneg: for dvb-usb ... who takes the module parameter?
[19:16:40] mkrufky: dvb-usb itself, or the sub-driver .... ie: dib-usb-cxusb ?
[19:17:02] janneg: all subdrivers
[19:17:04] mkrufky: likewise, does videobuf_dvb take the param, or would cx88-dvb / saa7134-dvb
[19:17:09] mkrufky: ok
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[19:17:37] mkrufky: so, safe for me to assume you implemented it in your sub-driver already to test, but just left that part out because it's not relevant, right?
[19:17:58] mkrufky: s/relevent / necessary for purposes of demonstration
[19:19:02] mkrufky: janneg: ^
[19:19:05] janneg: yes I stopped after the dvb-usb conversion. I didn't know that dvb-usb supports that many devices
[19:19:18] mkrufky: hehehe
[19:19:28] wireddd: when are all the zap2it subscriptions going to end?
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[19:19:36] mkrufky: janneg: but im guessing you did it inside dvb-usb-dib0700 ?
[19:19:44] janneg: the individual budget drivers need also a conversion
[19:19:55] mkrufky: wireddd: its not cool to ask questions that google can answer easily
[19:20:08] wireddd: because mine says it expires 11/07
[19:20:24] wireddd: and I thought it was supposed to be earlier than that
[19:20:28] mkrufky: 9/1
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[19:20:40] mkrufky: janneg: im going to send a response showing my approval
[19:20:47] mkrufky: not much else for me to say
[19:20:54] janneg: mkrufky: I don't understand what you want to ask. all dvb-usb drivers are converted
[19:21:12] mkrufky: oh, oops... i didnt look at the bz2
[19:21:31] mkrufky: argh
[19:21:36] mkrufky: i only read the text email
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[19:22:17] mkrufky: lol, this is going to destroy all of my unmerged work, lol
[19:22:22] mkrufky: but its for the greater good :-)
[19:22:55] janneg: ah, yes, I forgot. I think my patch handling was suboptimal but I didn't wanted to attach a 40k patch
[19:23:15] mkrufky: that might explain the lack of responses thus far
[19:23:24] mkrufky: but i think the text part of the email shows what's important
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[19:23:55] janneg: yeah, all core changes plus a single driver change
[19:24:08] mkrufky: ttusb_dec ?
[19:24:18] janneg: ?
[19:24:29] mkrufky: oops, scratch that
[19:24:56] mkrufky: this looks great to me :-D
[19:25:31] janneg: what are your uncommited changes? adapter registration of dvb-usb drivers?
[19:25:48] mkrufky: just some new drivers ... nothing that cant be altered accordingly
[19:26:18] janneg: mkrufky: ok, I'll convert then the other subdrivers
[19:26:22] mkrufky: patch clashes happen — its a part of life (of linux developer)
[19:26:38] mkrufky: I'm goign to send my approval response, hopefully others will agree
[19:26:46] mkrufky: (i see no reason why they wouldnt)
[19:27:23] janneg: I'll sent a complete patch this evening
[19:28:06] mkrufky: ok
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[19:30:55] yoshibond: hello everyone~
[19:31:12] myusernam: I am having trouble getting ubuntu to display properly on my tv. if i use s video i cant even read the menues and if i use component out it showes up all pink and messed up and if i use vga it looks fine during the bios screen then goes crazy during when ubuntu starts up
[19:31:20] yoshibond: i have the same question!\
[19:31:31] yoshibond: that is sooo crazy!
[19:31:34] yoshibond: i was just typing that in
[19:32:06] yoshibond: component – out ... looks fine in startup --- mine is blue and blurry in GUI and in mythtv nothing shows up
[19:32:06] myusernam: what are you trying to use? svideo composie component?
[19:32:13] yoshibond: component
[19:32:31] yoshibond: with svideo, it looks ok in GUI but in mythtv nothing
[19:32:37] yoshibond: (no signal to tv)
[19:33:00] yoshibond: component blurry and blue shade in GUI but nothing in mythtv
[19:33:20] myusernam: really if i use svideo it looks norml but terible quality i can even read any of the menus to change the resulution
[19:33:24] yoshibond: and it looks PERFECT in the BIOS screen and while loading ubuntu
[19:33:32] yoshibond: thats normal for svideo
[19:33:50] myusernam: i know its especialy bad with an hd tv
[19:33:53] yoshibond: any computer (windows incl.) with svid on tv u cant read menus normally — or do u mean in mythtv with big menus
[19:33:58] yoshibond: ?
[19:34:14] yoshibond: what vid card/motherboard are u using?
[19:34:31] yoshibond: i have a ASUS m2npv-vm with onboard component,dvi etc.
[19:34:34] myusernam: soyo dragon ultr palntum and a radeon 6600ce
[19:34:41] yoshibond: i installed the nvidia driver
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[19:35:15] yoshibond: and that let me output to two monitors in GNOME but it still looks stupid with component and no output shows up in myth
[19:35:27] yoshibond: does anyone have any ideas of how to fix this?
[19:35:28] myusernam: i was just using this vga to componet converter and it diplays all pink and crazy
[19:35:51] yoshibond: is it the right type of component?
[19:36:01] yoshibond: there is the Y – Pb – or whatever
[19:36:04] yoshibond: and R G B
[19:36:14] myusernam: i have no idea
[19:36:16] yoshibond: mostly all TVs are Y – Pb – Py or whatever it is
[19:36:20] yoshibond: red green blue cables?
[19:36:33] myusernam: yes
[19:36:37] yoshibond: ok thats probably right then
[19:37:04] yoshibond: i just dont get why mine looks so screwed up with component only and why nothing shows up in myth .... anyone here to help?
[19:37:05] myusernam: my tv has a cga looking port for progresive scan dvd players and it says rgb on it
[19:37:19] myusernam: vga**
[19:37:32] yoshibond: is it HDMI port? or DVI?
[19:37:40] yoshibond: or is it an actual VGA port?
[19:37:49] myusernam: and if i conect it to my computer it looks good during bios then looks crazy when ubunu starts
[19:37:55] yoshibond: same here
[19:38:06] yoshibond: so it must be a software problem for both of us
[19:38:11] myusernam: it is the same shape as a vga port but it says rgb
[19:38:19] yoshibond: is anyone else in here? it shows 184 users but i dont see ne one
[19:38:37] yoshibond: that probably is a VGA port – i cant think of any other port that has the same shape////
[19:40:13] yoshibond: is anyone else here?
[19:40:41] myusernam: it acts difernt thogh you have to disply in 1080i or 480p which i dont know how to make ubunu do
[19:40:56] myusernam: i can do it in xp
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[20:07:22] juski: hoookies. time to go looking for rogue binaries. I seem to have mythtv stuff in both /usr and /usr/local/. a cleanup is well overdue. any gotchas I should look out for?
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[20:10:34] juski: I've gone for the wussy option & just decided to take everything out of /usr/lib and /usr/bin to do with mythtv & move them to somewhere safe
[20:10:38] laga: rm -rf /usr/local/; echo "die! die! die!"
[20:11:02] juski: I'll take the usr/local stuff presently
[20:11:46] laga: find to the rescue
[20:13:11] juski: right that's everything safely stashed away to /oldusr/bin, /oldusr/lib and /oldusr/local/bin and /oldusr/local/lib
[20:14:44] mkrufky: laga: oh, no!! now nothing works on my linux box anymore!!!!!
[20:14:50] mkrufky: :-P
[20:14:52] juski: decided against updating the distro. I don't feel I have enough time on my hands to take care of any unexpected eventualities
[20:15:16] laga: mkrufky: ;)
[20:15:27] juski: mkrufky: if push comes to shove I can reinstall. I've backed up all my config files to a tarball, which is tucked neatly away on a spare machine now
[20:15:42] mkrufky: not bAD
[20:15:54] laga: just get a backup
[20:15:57] juski: and if the database goes bonk, I've got a backup from earlier, and last night, and the night before
[20:16:18] juski: I love my mythtv but I don't like giving myself excuses to have a heart attack
[20:16:36] mkrufky: i should backup my database...... but that would be a SMART idea. ... no time for that!
[20:16:48] laga: heh
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[20:17:12] juski: is the default prefix /usr/local ?
[20:17:20] juski: yes. nm
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[20:17:44] juski: time to run makey make make. this has been a long time coming
[20:17:44] daum: my frontend nolonger will accept input after the first commercial skip however it does keep playing the show. Also the box that shows where you are in a show when you fast forward nolonger appears. I tried to switch the themes per a suggestion but no luck still...ideas?
[20:18:08] juski: daum: check your tables are intact, namely recordedmarkup & recordseek
[20:18:26] laga: yay
[20:18:32] laga: mythtv-vid will be merged soon
[20:19:12] daum: juski, well it looks like they are in tact...record seek has 64,272 rows..
[20:19:42] daum: juski, and recordedmarkup has 77 rows
[20:20:16] juski: daum: I meant run mysqlcheck on em
[20:20:59] mkrufky: daum: soes fast forward work at all at that point in the recording?
[20:22:08] daum: mkrufky, yes i can skip forward but but after it does a automatic commercial skip it nolonger accepts and input
[20:22:16] daum: it just plays and doesn't skip the other commericals
[20:22:26] mkrufky: at that point, can you fast forward again?
[20:22:29] daum: then once it finishes palying you can give into to it
[20:22:34] daum: mkrufky, no i can't after that point
[20:22:41] daum: mkrufky, i can't do anything other than killall it
[20:22:47] jarle__: I have four inputs for LiveTV (4 LNBs), will mythtv remember which input (and which channel) I was watching the last time and tune to that channel when I re-enter LiveTV?
[20:23:17] mkrufky: do what juski said — sounds like recordedseek table is farked, at least for that recording ... you might need to run mythcommflag --rebuild on it
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[20:24:03] daum: mkrufky, it is with any program that gets recorded=\
[20:24:22] juski: daum: so maybe the whole table is borked. run mysqlcheck
[20:24:28] daum: juski, i did
[20:24:29] daum: cmae back fine
[20:24:39] juski: ah. different story altogether then
[20:24:47] cyrexion: borked? interesting word :)
[20:25:03] daum: http://rafb.net/p/q5c0tJ88.html
[20:25:26] mkrufky: mythcommflag --rebuild -f <filename>
[20:27:02] daum: ok running
[20:27:11] daum: any ideas on my status box not appearing too=\
[20:27:46] daum: mkrufky, this was happening on my system before i redid the entire system hoping it'd be fixed but i think it might have to deal with the database
[20:27:52] daum: since i exported the database when i reinstalled
[20:31:31] mkrufky: oh, .... you should have done what juski said first, daum
[20:31:35] mkrufky: i was afk
[20:31:48] daum: mkrufky, i did the check
[20:32:00] mkrufky: lol ,if you're rebuilding the recordedseektable to a currupted database, that doesnt help anything
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[20:32:06] daum: the pastebin i posted was the results(ok with a couple of warnings about open connections)
[20:32:11] mkrufky: i didnt look
[20:32:13] mkrufky: :-)
[20:32:19] daum: mkrufky, http://rafb.net/p/q5c0tJ88.html
[20:32:47] daum: mkrufky, all ok right?
[20:32:50] mkrufky: well, coulda shoulda woulda, but....
[20:32:57] mkrufky: you should have stopped your backend first
[20:33:02] mkrufky: then done your database checks
[20:33:16] mkrufky: at this point, just let it go on with what its doing
[20:33:26] mkrufky: i wish you luck that this will work, but i cant promise anything
[20:34:22] daum: on a side note you don't happen to use happauge pvr 350 remote ?
[20:34:32] mkrufky: me? nah
[20:34:40] mkrufky: i use the 350 just for testing alt video standards
[20:35:05] daum: hm bummer before i redid the systme i had a really nice remote setup but now can't seem to find one that does the same
[20:35:17] juski: daum: sometimes easier just to make your own
[20:35:25] mkrufky: google probably knows a good answer
[20:35:36] juski: if you have webspace somewhere, drop your most essential config files into a tarball & upload it somewhere safe
[20:35:45] juski: or email it to a good webmail accoung
[20:35:52] juski: or a few ;)
[20:35:53] daum: what is the key for fast forwarding actually ont he frontend?
[20:36:14] juski: generally right arrow, depending on how you set it up
[20:36:16] daum: hahah yeah i do that usually i backed up my sysetm but used cp -R not cp -aR and lost a lot of things that i thought i had copied over
[20:36:25] daum: juski, well that is skip
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[20:36:37] laga: daum: how did you lose files that way?
[20:36:43] k-man: hello
[20:36:48] daum: laga, hidden files don't get copied unless you have the -a
[20:36:53] laga: daum: oh :(
[20:37:02] k-man: how do i enable the internal mythvideo player instead of mplayer?
[20:37:04] daum: yep lost all of my logs for chats too heh
[20:37:06] juski: daum: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1
[20:37:08] laga: daum: your lirc config shouldn't have been hidden ;)
[20:37:33] daum: laga, its in the hidden directory
[20:37:37] jams: k-man- use Internal
[20:37:38] juski: k-man: utils/setup > setup > media settings > video settings > playback
[20:37:38] laga: daum: doh. right.
[20:37:45] jams: k-man- use Internal, as the player command
[20:38:37] juski: I had a brainwave the other week. make a screenshot of every single screen. then make some html. make menu items take you to the corresponding screenshot, etc
[20:38:47] k-man: juski, ah! thanks
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[20:38:56] juski: nice job for when I get really bored. No, like REALLY bored
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[20:39:09] gongloo: hi all. i'm looking for someone with any mplayer h.264 1080p experience... i'm planning to upgrade my media center box soon and want to get some information on what sort of processor power I'll need for h.264 1080p decoding
[20:39:17] ** juski wishes gcc had a % complete indicator **
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[20:40:14] juski: gongloo: think of a number between 4 and 5. that's the kind of clock speed in Ghz you'll likely need since ffmpeg doesn't yet have proper multithreaded support
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[20:40:46] juski: and no, there's no hardware acceleration in linux yet for h.264
[20:41:16] gongloo: juski: really? i can do 720p with inloop filters disabled on my 1.8ghz P4 with a 400mhz fsb
[20:41:26] gongloo: juski: that part i know
[20:41:39] juski: gongloo: 1080p is a whole load harder than 720p to decode
[20:42:10] juski: esp. if it's 1920x1080
[20:42:43] gongloo: well yes i'd imagine about 2.25x as hard
[20:42:45] juski: there are workarounds, which some people would prefer didn't exist – such as using a hook into the windows CoreAVC codec
[20:43:19] juski: multithreaded decoding is coming to ffmpeg though, so the situation should improve eventually. no idea when we'll see that though
[20:43:21] gongloo: even the CoreAVC codec gave only about a 30% performance increase on 720p video though
[20:43:50] gongloo: (according to some ml post i read somewhere)
[20:44:06] juski: it'll use as many cores as you have though, IIRC
[20:44:10] jarle__: How come I get "DTVSM(0): Ignoring encrypted program" even though I told mythtv to only add free channels?
[20:44:18] gongloo: juski: oh is coreavc threaded? yay.
[20:44:28] juski: jarle__: sometimes they're not marked correctly ;)
[20:44:37] juski: gongloo: as far as I know it is. I might very well be wrong
[20:45:01] k-man: hmm.. the internal player is great, i should have enabled it ages ago
[20:45:19] ** juski watches mpegrecorder.cpp go by **
[20:45:28] gongloo: i have zero experience with coreavc. that whole windows thing gets int he way for me
[20:45:46] juski: sometimes those binary blobs are a necessary evil
[20:46:00] juski: though think yourself lucky you don't use Elisa – they make you pay for mpeg plugins
[20:47:49] juski: open source media centre my *eye* ;)
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[20:54:02] jarle__: jams was talking about "the preset channel setting" earlier, I can't seem to find it is it at the frontend or backend?
[20:54:36] sphery: jarle__: What are you trying to do?
[20:54:44] sphery: Chances are you don't want a preset channel...
[20:55:37] jarle__: sphery: I'm starting to wonder if I might have it activated, and I want to turn it off :)
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[20:56:11] jarle__: sphery: When I enter LiveTV does not open the channel I was last watching (the way I want it to work..)
[20:56:26] sphery: It's in mythtv-setup under Video Sources
[20:56:36] sphery: Preset tuner to channel
[20:56:44] gongloo: juski: do you happen to know of any ffmpeg plans to implement multithreaded decoding for h264?
[20:57:04] sphery: Leave this blank unless you have an external tuner that is connected to the tuner input of your card. If so, you will need to specify the preset channel for the signal (normally 3 or 4).
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[20:57:52] sion_: decoding h264 cant be multi threaded as far as I know
[20:58:17] sphery: sion_: There are patches that do it on the ffmpeg lists...
[20:58:36] sion_: sphery, must be tricky quality wise
[20:58:51] sphery: gongloo: yes, ffmpeg plans to. Once they do, Janne will port those changes to Myth's custom version of the ffmpeg libs.
[20:58:58] juski: gongloo: I already said it's planned didn't I? it's ongoing
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[20:59:12] k-man: how can i set up a recording schedule to record any show that matches a certain string?
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[20:59:27] sphery: title match?
[20:59:29] juski: k-man: with a custom record rule of course :)
[20:59:31] sphery: description match?
[20:59:53] k-man: ah
[20:59:55] k-man: i see
[20:59:56] k-man: thanks
[20:59:57] sphery: k-man: All your answers are found in http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.5
[21:00:12] caitlin: guyes, i need a bail out. i was setting up exim and i needed to change my hostname. myth didn't like *that*, i've changed it back, but now i just get timeouts trying to tune to stations. i've reset up my cards and still nothing
[21:00:39] caitlin: feck all in logs, i can tzap to stuff fine, but i can't pipe the stream to mplayer
[21:00:42] caitlin: wtf?!
[21:00:50] caitlin: any suggestions?
[21:01:07] jarle__: sphery: Can't seem to find that option (Im using a DVB-s card)
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[21:01:55] sphery: jarle__: It specifically doesn't exist for DVB cards (actually, any DTV "card")
[21:01:58] juski: argghh the console I was compiling on in screen has locked up
[21:02:05] sphery: where DTV = digital TV
[21:02:18] sphery: So that's not the problem.
[21:02:24] sphery: What are your symptoms?
[21:03:39] jarle__: sphery: If I exit Live TV and then re-enter it wil show a different channel than the one I just left...
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[21:04:21] juski: wow. 1st time I've ever had to kill a screen session
[21:05:07] ** juski builds mythplugins & waits patiently **
[21:05:16] caitlin: try killing a screen session remotely and then looking at the terminal that held that screen
[21:05:27] caitlin: and try telling me what the hell i've done
[21:06:12] gongloo: juski: what i don't understand is this: with mplayer on mac os x on my macbook pro (core 2 duo @ 2.16ghz, i can watch 1080p h264 movies...
[21:06:21] gongloo: clearly using the ffmpeg libs for decoding
[21:06:30] sphery: As I know nothing about DVB-S, I'm probably not qualified to help you, but I'll give you some "high-level" info.
[21:07:13] juski: gongloo: I think it's a different story in linux. there's nothing to stop you trying it
[21:07:35] juski: what's the command you can use to flush your ldconfig thingy again?
[21:07:49] gongloo: juski: i may do just that
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[21:08:10] gongloo: unless someone here has a 3ghz p4 or so that they can give it a run on
[21:08:25] gongloo: cause i'm really looking at like a 3.4ghz p4 or so
[21:08:31] sphery: jarle__: Each input has an associated start channel in the DB that's updated with the last channel that was tuned on that input. When you enter LiveTV, it attempts to tune that channel, and--upon failure--will tune a "default" start channel.
[21:08:45] gongloo: (core 2 duo is much more expensive, and i don't really have a use for dual core on a media center box)
[21:09:21] sphery: jarle__: So, if you enter LiveTV with cardinput 4 and exit on channel X, then cardinput 4 is in use when you next enter LiveTV so you get cardinput 3, you'll probably be on another channel.
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[21:10:02] juski: huh? I can't run mythtv-setup because it thinks the local libs can't be found
[21:10:05] sphery: jarle__: Or, if you exit LiveTV on cardinput 1 on channel X, then a recording occurs on cardinput 1 on channel Y, when you enter LiveTV on cardinput 1, you'll start on channel Y.
[21:11:16] thostr: got my 40 inch sony bravida up'n running today. sw33t!
[21:11:18] sphery: juski: You did figure out that ldconfig does it, right?
[21:11:25] juski: sphery: it's not doing it here
[21:11:46] sphery: Do you have an LD_LIBRARY_PATH env var set?
[21:11:53] juski: when I ran ./configure it said the prefix was /usr/local
[21:12:00] juski: and it's put the libs in /usr/local/lib
[21:12:32] juski: sphery: apparently I don't have an LD_LIBRARY_PATH env var set
[21:12:41] laga: juski: /etc/ld.so.conf ?
[21:12:43] sphery: You usually don't want one, so that's good.
[21:12:58] laga: !trout juski rtfm
[21:12:58] ** MythLogBot slaps juski with a rtfm trout on behalf of laga... **
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[21:13:45] juski: laga: yesh I've just remembered ld.so.conf
[21:13:51] juski: thanks ;)
[21:14:04] juski: this is presumably how I ended up with a half-assed install last time
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[21:14:49] juski: worky now :)
[21:14:57] laga: :)
[21:15:01] caitlin: grr
[21:16:12] juski: and next I'll finally get rid of the frigged mythweb that mythstreamtv made
[21:16:36] juski: it mucked up the css, moving the mythtv.org link up too much, overwriting other text. asshats
[21:17:11] juski: this is gonna be the most up to date this box has been this year
[21:18:22] juski: only one thing concerns me. in /etc/ld.so.conf – there was nothing before. should I be worried by that?
[21:18:27] laga: no
[21:19:05] juski: I think last time I got the error about not being able to load shared libs I just panicked & changed the prefix to /usr
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[21:19:25] caitlin: hmm, i have actually totalled something quite badly
[21:19:45] caitlin: where have my tuner cards *gone*
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[21:21:36] caitlin: it seems to work, i just can't get any data from the cards to the output!
[21:21:50] caitlin: and i can't find any logging to tell me what's going awry
[21:22:28] mkrufky: i have a song stuck in my head and its driving me crazy!
[21:23:11] mkrufky: it's an old song... it's sampled in an orb track i was listening to the other night..... also was featured in season one of south park, performed by "John Stamos' brother"
[21:23:12] mkrufky: LOL
[21:23:18] mkrufky: "Loving You"
[21:23:21] mkrufky: </offtopic>
[21:23:59] k-man: i find the text in the program guide a bit too small, is there some way I can make it bigger?
[21:24:49] juski: mkrufky: the Minnie Ripperton song? I have a soft spot for that track. Once wrote down the lyrics & left them on a note on a girlfriend's car windscreen while she was at college. big browny points. sucker
[21:25:02] mkrufky: juski: yes — exactly that one!
[21:25:09] mkrufky: (i think)
[21:25:18] hads: and now I have it in my head.
[21:25:24] juski: I like the Orb track too. An ever pulsating brain that ..
[21:25:36] mkrufky: i heard that that Maya girl from SNL is her daughter
[21:25:52] mkrufky: yes ... An ever growing pulsating brain that rules from the centre of the ultraworld!!!
[21:25:59] mkrufky: awesome ...
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[21:26:13] juski: mkrufky: got the CD single of perpetual dawn? it's ace, ace I tells ya :)
[21:26:15] mkrufky: you should hear that one live --
[21:26:42] mkrufky: i dont have perpetual dawn, but I have Advantures Beyond the Ultraworld ... (perpetual dawn is the single)
[21:26:55] juski: always wanted to go see The Orb live, but the prospect of being surrounded by too many kids on pills scares me nowadays
[21:26:57] mkrufky: actually. ... ive been looking for that single a few years back ..
[21:27:09] mkrufky: lol ... orb fans are usually an older crowd
[21:27:13] mkrufky: those kids dont know orb
[21:27:27] hads: juski: heh, I know that feeling.
[21:27:30] mkrufky: I saw Orb twice, and I saw Alex Paterson perform solo twice as well
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[21:28:04] juski: mm the learned Dr Alex Paterson
[21:28:14] floppy12: hello
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[21:29:20] mkrufky: he's amazing, juski
[21:29:22] juski: hellair
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[21:29:42] kalidma: Hi I have small issue with movie posters and nfs mounts
[21:29:48] kalidma: Can anyone help a newb
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[21:30:01] laga: kalidma: please don't leave immediately after asking a question.
[21:30:10] kalidma: ok
[21:30:11] laga: kalidma: is was going to help you in #ubuntu-mythtv
[21:30:15] juski: mkrufky: I saw Beck live back in 1996, I'd heard of him but not heard his music. I was blown away, esp. by DJ Swamp's solo set in the middle
[21:30:17] laga: i believe the path to your video directory must be *the same* on all frontends
[21:30:18] kalidma: sorry wasnt sure that was right forum
[21:30:28] kalidma: because i am not running ubuntu as the backend
[21:30:44] mkrufky: juski: 'him' , being Beck ?
[21:30:59] mkrufky: i actually have not heard of DJ swamp
[21:31:17] juski: mkrufky: yeah. was awesome. wish I'd recorded it. I was saving my bootlegging gear for The Prodigy
[21:31:26] mkrufky: but i would assume that's Beck's dj ... "two turntables and a microphone"  :-P
[21:31:41] mkrufky: ah, i never saw Prodigy ... but used to be a big fan
[21:31:59] juski: mkrufky: people at the front got crushed, the sound system kept conking out. they were nothing flash
[21:32:12] kalidma: Ok so On the backend I have the posters in /myth/video/.covers and i have the myth directory exported via nfs on the slavefrontend i have the path for the movie posters as /mnt/mythtvmasterbackend/myth/video/.covers
[21:32:15] mkrufky: oof ... crushed???
[21:32:18] floppy12: is there a remotecontrol to control mythtv from windows?
[21:32:24] floppy12: trough ethernet
[21:32:32] mkrufky: sound system problems at a show- — bad news
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[21:32:36] juski: floppy12: kind of. there's a web remote thing somewhere
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[21:33:03] floppy12: juskiwell okay...
[21:33:09] floppy12: but i dont found something
[21:33:24] cyrexion: it's awesome being able to schedule shows on my mythbox via iphone :)
[21:33:38] juski: floppy12: http://67.171.177.27/
[21:34:01] floppy12: thank you
[21:34:08] juski: cyrexion: ahh but with the iPhone the question to ask is.. "will it blend?" www.willitblend.com
[21:34:30] cyrexion: Oh yes, juski, it blends just fine...
[21:35:08] k-man: can one change the osd theme?
[21:35:19] juski: jees! how much faster is this -fixes checkout?! gbee you da man, man!
[21:35:36] juski: k-man: yeah easy. utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback
[21:36:39] cyrexion: the only thing I'm having trouble with is the sound — no sound from mythbox yet, but the recordings play with sound perfectly (on other machines).... something about alsamixer, which I can't seem to run.
[21:37:11] k-man: juski, ah, cool
[21:37:12] k-man: thanks
[21:39:02] inahole: whose shit am I gonna fuck with @ 67.171.177.27
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[21:39:30] hads: language
[21:39:39] k-man: juski, what about the menu you get when you press M while watching a recording
[21:39:40] SiD3WiNDR: double bonus
[21:39:41] laga: yeah
[21:39:46] inahole: oh my god
[21:39:50] k-man: juski, can you change that? I find it very hard to read
[21:39:51] inahole: that's lamo stuff
[21:39:52] laga: you need a question mark to make that sentence complete, dude.
[21:40:23] inahole: like some 6 year old kid is going to be able to use irc
[21:40:29] juski: k-man: those'd be the qt font size settings
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[21:40:48] k-man: juski, can you change the colours/ transparecy of them?
[21:40:53] inahole: is big brother policing irc now too?
[21:41:02] juski: k-man: only by editing the OSD themes
[21:41:27] k-man: juski, so that menu is part of the OSD theme?
[21:41:29] laga: floppy12: there's also a telnet control thingy for the frontend
[21:41:30] juski: inahole: you're being logged
[21:41:36] laga: floppy12: and a german channel at #mythtv-de
[21:41:37] k-man: juski, not part of the overall theme?
[21:41:37] inahole: good log me
[21:41:44] inahole: send my name to the fbi
[21:41:47] inahole: for using profane language
[21:41:51] juski: k-man: ah er... I dunno about the OSD menu actually
[21:42:01] inahole: yes, I love the police state!
[21:42:29] inahole: no cussing today, no thinking about cussing tommorrow
[21:42:38] inahole: take away all my freedoms!
[21:42:40] k-man: juski, i'm not sure why, but on my screen, its amlost impossible to read the unselected entries on that menu
[21:43:39] juski: inahole: it's not so much that – it's more than having a potty mouth is inversely proportional to mental maturity
[21:43:43] inahole: well, I have a video on youtube of eminiem saying "Die motherfucker die" and a picture of Dick Cheney I put on there. Fuck 'em. My freedoms. They can lick my asscrack
[21:44:07] caitlin: your "freedoms" are cute
[21:44:11] juski: inahole: your nick fits your personality, fer sure
[21:44:20] inahole: hahahaha
[21:44:20] caitlin: i'm never sure why people confuse "being a dick" with "freedom"
[21:44:30] caitlin: they just don't rate, and i've been to mexico
[21:44:32] inahole: what saying fuck is being a dick?
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[21:44:39] caitlin: i never said that
[21:44:47] caitlin: you're contextually disconnected
[21:44:57] inahole: apparently
[21:45:00] juski: inahole: hope you live til your 13th birthday, anyway
[21:45:07] inahole: been past that
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[21:45:25] inahole: if you don't like cussing, spend all your time in church or something
[21:45:27] caitlin: you get detention or something? who's messing with your "free"?
[21:45:48] inahole: no idea
[21:45:59] caitlin: so you're free
[21:46:01] inahole: some moron named juski said he was 'logging me'
[21:46:09] caitlin: nah, the *channel* is logged
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[21:46:13] inahole: like I give a shit. What, you gonna spank me, take away my birthday??
[21:46:26] NightMonkey: inahole: Keep it nice.
[21:46:31] inahole: logged where? some website?
[21:46:45] caitlin: maybe, i can't remember
[21:47:02] sphery: obviously inahole can't read, either... /topic
[21:47:03] juski: 08:47 -MythLogBot(n=bot@unaffiliated/beirdo)- This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1
[21:47:07] inahole: political correctness is destroying this country
[21:47:23] caitlin: which country?
[21:47:25] hads: This country?
[21:48:01] inahole: the country I'm in
[21:48:13] inahole: where prolly half of you are in too
[21:48:20] SiD3WiNDR: which is what?
[21:48:23] inahole: US
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[21:48:33] juski: yeee-haw
[21:48:49] caitlin: irc from the back of an SUV is it?
[21:48:57] Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o jams
[21:48:59] inahole: nah, IRC from my garage
[21:49:03] caitlin: i luuurve the merkins
[21:49:05] SiD3WiNDR: don't make me shoot you caitlin !
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[21:49:24] inahole: I'm an American, unfortunately
[21:49:29] caitlin: bless ya
[21:49:32] inahole: I'd rather live in Europe though
[21:49:32] caitlin: that explains it all
[21:49:38] caitlin: you'd not, it rains here... alot
[21:49:48] inahole: we have tornados here, a lot
[21:49:52] caitlin: and they speak all funny languages
[21:49:53] inahole: i can deal with the rain
[21:50:09] inahole: yeah, like English, French, German, etc
[21:50:13] Beirdo: you'd have no right to have a gun
[21:50:22] inahole: I don't own one anyway
[21:50:23] SiD3WiNDR: so no freedom!
[21:50:28] SiD3WiNDR: :>
[21:50:43] Beirdo: but you'd get MUCH better beer
[21:50:43] juski: you have the right to bear arms, and arm bears :-z
[21:50:50] inahole: All I need is some diesel and fertilizer. Show you what that can do and you'll be like, "fuck a gun, who needs it."
[21:50:59] caitlin: diesel? for what?
[21:51:04] inahole: ANFO bomb
[21:51:05] caitlin: making things sticky?
[21:51:05] hads: Goodbye
[21:51:08] Beirdo: oh good god. inahole get a clue
[21:51:12] laga: hey. it's possible to start a plugin by running "mythfrontend browser" or "mythfrontend dv", right?
[21:51:18] laga: s/dv/video/
[21:51:20] inahole: I have a clue
[21:51:21] juski: caitlin: so he can go crash his car into an airport terminal, why else? ;)
[21:51:23] caitlin: wtfh is an ANDO?
[21:51:33] juski: laga: IIRC yes you can
[21:51:35] caitlin: deisel doesn't *burn*
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[21:51:50] caitlin: it makes motorbikes fall over though, which is annoying
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[21:51:54] inahole: No, but it reacts like crazy with ammonium nitrate
[21:51:55] SiD3WiNDR: lol
[21:52:31] caitlin: just remember your oxidiser and realise that the dude that rammed the airport was kept alive for a month with 90% burns
[21:52:35] caitlin: that's gotta sting
[21:52:38] laga: juski: *i* can't :( "/usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblibmythbrowser.so: cannot open shared object file:"
[21:52:45] inahole: that's cause he was an idiot
[21:52:55] juski: laga: your stuff not in /usr/local ?
[21:52:58] caitlin: meh, it's late. girlfriend time.... bye
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[21:53:51] laga: juski: no, it's packages
[21:54:13] juski: hm.. dunno then. you're the paths genius tonight
[21:54:42] laga: ah
[21:54:43] laga: fsck it.
[21:54:58] laga: i'm trying to make youtube work
[21:55:19] juski: funny, half the tv companies in the world are trying to do the opposite ;)
[21:55:21] Beirdo: inahole, please try very hard to keep the discussion relevant to mythtv.
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[21:56:11] Beirdo: we have the channel being logged... google does index the logs
[21:56:14] laga: juski: heh
[21:56:43] AlefBet: Is schedulesdirect going to go live before zap2it goes dark, anyone know?
[21:56:45] inahole: this network is fucked
[21:56:50] GreyFoxx: AlefBet: yes
[21:56:55] juski: and remember prospective employers can find the logs, find examples of your nick in say, forums, put 2&2 together and then you don't get the job
[21:56:56] AlefBet: If not, is it possible to pay for a zap2it sub that works with Myth?
[21:57:17] AlefBet: Okay, thanks GreyFoxx. It's getting down to the line and I'm getting worried.
[21:57:18] jams: inahole- watch your language, or you will be shown the door
[21:57:34] laga: hum
[21:57:43] GreyFoxx: AlefBet: There should be an announcement anytim enow
[21:57:48] laga: we've been getting lots of interesting people lately
[21:57:53] GreyFoxx: summer
[21:58:09] juski: full moon?
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[21:58:29] ** juski considers changing his nick to 'idiot_magnet' **
[21:58:33] Beirdo: hehe
[21:58:37] AlefBet: Will schedulesdirect be a drop-in replacement, or will new modules be needed on the Myth box?
[21:58:57] juski: AlefBet: since the developers are so heavily involved I think it's safe to assume that'll be taken care of
[21:59:03] GreyFoxx: AlefBet: Likely an update of some sort, but it's not finalized yet
[21:59:30] AlefBet: Juski, GreyFoxx, okay, thanks. I guess I'll wait attentively.
[21:59:43] Beirdo: I'm sure we'll hear about it real soon though :)
[21:59:46] juski: patience is a great virtue ;)
[22:01:05] Beirdo: hmmm. iscsi seems like a neat toy for me to investigate to replace NFS for my recordings
[22:01:18] jams: heh..now thats overkill
[22:01:22] Beirdo: I really want a SAN, but don't wanna pay for the gear
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[22:01:44] Beirdo: well, I HAVE fibre channel in my E4500
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[22:01:52] jams: Beirdo- no kidding..plus the electic bill
[22:02:18] Beirdo: well, a small SAN box isn't THAT bad on electricity... but the E4500 sure is
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[22:02:56] Beirdo: I have big dreams for the future of my computing resources
[22:03:05] Beirdo: of course, they all require me to be EMPLOYED :)
[22:03:05] Beirdo: hehe
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[22:04:43] Beirdo: jams, don't you think iscsi would make a nice solution though (overkill though it may be?)
[22:05:39] Beirdo: forget sharing with NFS or SMB :) mount it as a drive :)
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[22:06:10] juski: is it just me or is mythweb faster in -fixes too now?
[22:06:18] jams: it is overkill, but yeah it should work well
[22:06:31] jams: if you have the time set it up
[22:06:35] Beirdo: heh
[22:06:40] Beirdo: that's one thing I DO have
[22:06:41] laga: juski: i found out today that my mythweb hasn't been updated in ages... my packages simply were broken ;)
[22:06:58] jams: juski- don't know about -fixes but trunk is a faster
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[22:07:38] mikeones: trunk rocks! if I could just plavy avi's not the same way...
[22:07:59] juski: well, that all seemed to go well. frontend works (still with minimyth-0.20–19), recordings seem to be ok, mythweb's fine.. database didn't go bonk.. I'm happy
[22:08:14] juski: gonna go delete my /oldusr now
[22:08:52] juski: I'll leave the distro upgrade for later. much, much later
[22:10:35] juski: ugh! we're gonna get a channel4+1 on Freeview
[22:10:47] juski: they're ditching Film4+1 to make way for it
[22:12:04] jams: Beirdo- i take it that job interview didn't turn anything up?
[22:12:17] Beirdo: no, they failed to call back
[22:12:33] Beirdo: and when I called THEM, they said "oh, we tried to call but couldn't get through"
[22:12:36] Beirdo: my ass.
[22:12:36] GreyFoxx: mikeones: what ?
[22:12:47] Beirdo: no missed calls at home or on the cell, and they have both numbers
[22:12:48] jams: huh
[22:12:56] Beirdo: oh, and no voicemail
[22:13:09] Beirdo: if they did try, I think they didn't try all that hard
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[22:13:37] Beirdo: but the manager of the department was shocked to hear that the HR lady had said that.... soo, who knows
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[22:14:55] laga: hum
[22:15:01] laga: konqueror just crashed on me. "Fuck yah. Core dump. (Signal=11)",
[22:15:22] laga: could have been openbox, too
[22:15:25] jams: heh, can't say i have seen that one before
[22:16:35] pat_: juski, my wife sends her thanks for the blootube-osd. I've just upgraded and she quite likes it.
[22:16:56] lexs: juski: you who changed the speed of programs?
[22:17:01] lexs: or was it someone else? :(
[22:17:33] ** Beirdo sends juski an e-Fosters for pat_ **
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[22:18:34] Beirdo: oooh, that reminds me... we went to Outback Steakhouse... the freaks didn't even have Fosters... now just how Australian are you pretending to be with no Fosters?
[22:18:51] Beirdo: I guess not enough draw for it here in PR.
[22:19:38] mikeones: GreyFoxx: it would be nice if I could veiw avi's from mythweb the sme way I can veiw the recorded shows with ffmpeg. like my own netflix service..
[22:19:47] pat_: actually, nobody in australia drinks fosters
[22:20:07] Beirdo: shhh. :)
[22:20:14] pat_: it's all xxxx, vb or tooheys
[22:20:19] Beirdo: it's still the exported representation of AU
[22:20:43] pat_: at my bottlo, it lives with the fancy beers, and there is generally only one or two cartons there
[22:20:43] hads: Its all terrible too :)
[22:20:51] Beirdo: "no, we have Bud, Coors Lite, Medalla (local PR beer)"
[22:20:51] pat_: and pallets of the other stuff
[22:20:53] Beirdo: grr.
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[22:22:10] lexs: hm, build a hd playing mythtv box or build a 1tb storage server?
[22:22:11] lexs: :c
[22:22:55] Beirdo: lexs, yes :)
[22:23:03] Beirdo: oh wait, that was either/or?
[22:23:08] lexs: yeah :p
[22:23:20] Beirdo: sucky choice to have to make
[22:23:25] directhex: i have bought a speaker!
[22:23:25] ** jams turns off the vpn for the weekend **
[22:23:40] Beirdo: the HD playing mythbox would definitely enjoy the use of the 1TB :)
[22:24:16] lexs: hehe, yeah
[22:24:21] juski: pat_: thanks. my site has a donate clicky if you like it that much ;)
[22:24:25] lexs: but i dont really know if i need a htpc though
[22:24:42] juski: I'm going on holiday next month – my new passport cost me £66 or so
[22:25:19] juski: lexs: it wasn't me who improved mythtv's use of memory with respect to theme graphics, that was gbee
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[22:26:06] lexs: juski: did i asked that? :c
[22:26:21] juski: mikeones: all mythweb needs is a frontend for transcoding recorded shows & videos on the fly, and I believe something is in the works for that – well dunno about mythvideo files though
[22:26:21] lexs: someone here watcher recorded programs in a diffren speed
[22:26:27] lexs: *watched
[22:26:40] juski: lexs: yeah I have all my wife's shows bumped up to 1.2x
[22:26:54] Beirdo: it's addictive watching at 1.2x
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[22:27:07] juski: just made a playback group for her, and make sure to set all her recordings to use that playback group.
[22:27:26] Beirdo: I hope ya didn't call it "Wife's Crap"
[22:27:39] juski: hahaha no
[22:27:55] Beirdo: I'd be tempted :)
[22:28:02] lexs: what was the technique called that made the sound sound "normal"
[22:28:11] juski: though I've been tempted to run a few mysql updates to rename shows to 'eastybenders' and 'emmerdull'
[22:28:20] juski: lexs: libsoundtouch
[22:28:34] Beirdo: ooh, she watches that stuff.. fun
[22:28:46] Beirdo: mine's more into crap like American Idol
[22:29:04] lexs: ah, timestrech
[22:29:12] juski: yeah. it's sometimes enough to make me not look fwd to getting home on a Monday, knowing there's 2+ hours of that crap on my tv
[22:29:12] Beirdo: or this crappy dancing competition they have on one of the spanish networks
[22:29:13] lexs: i must try that :)
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[22:29:48] Beirdo: hand her the remote, go out to the pub
[22:29:54] juski: Beirdo: there's a new one over here they call Dance X – the trailers look inviting.. hot ladies.. I doubt it's that good though
[22:30:16] juski: if I take to watching that I think the next step is listening & singing along to show tunes in the car
[22:30:26] Beirdo: oy!
[22:30:44] juski: heheh. no offense intended ;)
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[22:31:11] Beirdo: Just don't be making odd hand gestures while ya sing
[22:31:29] juski: I don't mind *all* showtunes.. just when I was younger a GF made me watch Grease twice
[22:31:30] Beirdo: make ya look like you should have a husband, not a wife
[22:31:55] juski: you've obviously not seen me dancing then. at least *I* know I'm straight & that's all that matters lol
[22:32:02] Beirdo: hehe.
[22:32:17] Beirdo: as long as you know it, and your wife knows it... nobody else matters
[22:32:24] lexs: uh, now i want a htpc
[22:32:38] lexs: i want to be able to watch downloaded shows on my tv
[22:32:39] lexs: :c
[22:32:51] juski: HyperThreaded Piece of Celery?
[22:32:58] pat_: anybody off hand got a link for making squash filesystems (.sfs)? my googlefu is weak this morning
[22:33:20] juski: lexs: ah those creative commons TV shows. they're catching on. (don't go digging yourself a big hole now)
[22:33:31] lexs: yeah
[22:33:35] lexs: i like them all :c
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[22:34:11] lexs: seriously, i live in sweden and every tv channel only buys the worst of shows
[22:34:17] SiD3WiNDR: anyone else watching the assembly '07 stream?
[22:34:35] juski: SiD3WiNDR: no – where is it? I like to catch up on demoscene stuff
[22:34:40] SiD3WiNDR: assemblytv.net
[22:34:55] SiD3WiNDR: the 4k compo was awesome as always :)
[22:35:01] lexs:
[22:35:02] SiD3WiNDR: oldskool graphics now on
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[22:35:10] lexs: he meant the warez scene though
[22:35:20] SiD3WiNDR: an ansi of a guy yelling "MOAR!" ;>
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[22:36:45] juski: there used to be a feed of these 2 guys' flat on winamp tv
[22:37:24] juski: both looked like comic book guy outta the simpsons. usually just sat there eating pizza
[22:37:38] Beirdo: heh
[22:37:51] lexs: uh, that stream requires you to forward ports
[22:37:58] mkrufky: have a good weekend, all
[22:37:58] juski: was better than Big Brother I tells ya!
[22:38:03] juski: you too mkrufky
[22:38:08] mkrufky: :-)
[22:38:12] Beirdo: have a good one :)
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[22:44:13] SiD3WiNDR: oldskool demo compo in 15 \o/
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[22:46:15] juski: SiD3WiNDR: what's that image there? their server room?
[22:46:40] SiD3WiNDR: I'd say that's the "lanparty" floor
[22:46:47] Chicago: Hello, Juski.
[22:46:53] juski: ah lanparties :)
[22:46:58] ** juski holds his nose **
[22:47:02] juski: Hi Chicago
[22:47:03] SiD3WiNDR: well rather the guys fabricating demo's I guess
[22:47:15] SiD3WiNDR: looks like a bunch of pc's with flickering lights =)
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[22:50:35] laga: i've never had such a hard time installing a flash plugin.
[22:51:05] SiD3WiNDR: and then, when it's finally done, you find it crashing your browser after every flv stream
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[22:52:00] juski: laga: mythnews has youtube now you know
[22:52:45] laga: juski: right, but it doesn't even work in konqueror as that user. gah.
[22:53:02] laga: time to start over. rm -rf .kde
[22:53:11] juski: apparently some guy showed it off briefly in a demo which was videoed
[22:53:23] laga: ;)
[22:53:45] juski: I watched some more of that. I think it looks better than it felt to do
[22:54:53] juski: it didn't show the piss-taking I got for carting that big box up there though
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[22:57:24] Chicago: Okay, this is more of an NVIDIA Linux Kernel Driver issue with xorg-x11 rather than MythTV; what do you suggest? I have MythTV running in a window on top of KDE. I have a kernel compiled without agpgart and without the intelagp modules. I have told the NVIDIA Linux Kernel Driver to use NvAGP, which is supported on my chipset. The problem is, if I tell Mythfrontend to play in a window, rather than open a window on top of my
[22:57:24] Chicago: 1600x1200 destop, Mythfrontend resizes my desktop. By the way, I'm running the layman mythtv-overlay on Gentoo.
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[22:58:56] Chicago: Does anybody here also use the NVIDIA Linux Kernel Driver with NvAGP and without agpgart or intelagp?
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[23:00:55] laga: yay
[23:01:06] laga: all worky!
[23:01:15] laga: you can't control the flash player itself but that's ok
[23:01:45] laga: Chicago: are you sure it's related to the agp driver?
[23:02:05] juski: w00t! the oldskool graphics compo is about to begin!
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[23:03:56] SiD3WiNDR: kill ole audioe and loeights!
[23:04:05] SiD3WiNDR: oldskool demo compo even
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[23:05:04] juski: hahaha that scroller IS oldskool!
[23:05:09] SiD3WiNDR: very :)
[23:05:37] Chicago: laga: Honestly, I think it's related to the memory mapping of my VGA Controller. I modify the default MTRR setup to give xorg-x11 better enhancements then xorg.conf defaults and also I don't know howto configure Page Allocation Table (PAT) which the NVIDIA Linux Kernel Driver use. lspci -v show me the 3 memory spaces... a 16M 2D space a 128M 3D space and a tiny 512kb space probably used for commands. In the Xorg.0.log, the v
[23:05:37] Chicago: ram is only detected as 64M. In the documentation for the nvidia-legacy-drivers I'm using, there is no device option to change the VRAM. So, if it's not the AGP module. . . then I need to help the kernel with its memory mapping.
[23:06:11] laga: um
[23:06:13] laga: just wondering
[23:06:18] laga: do you run gentoo?
[23:06:21] Chicago: Yes
[23:06:59] Chicago: I used to crawl gentoo... maybe now I walk actually... I'd need better hardware to RUN gentoo. :)
[23:07:36] laga: Chicago: it's probably just a wrong setting in mythtv. maybe you told it to use xrandr to switch resolutions
[23:07:57] laga: anyways
[23:08:06] Chicago: laga: I'll check my xorg extensions and see if xrandr is getting compiled in. I have xrandr explicitly disabled in the xorg.conf.
[23:08:34] laga: you should probably stop fscking around with MTRR stuff if you don't know what you're doing.. nvidia.ko might have its own ideas about that
[23:08:45] laga: Chicago: frontend log with -v all,nodatabase might be helpful, too
[23:10:03] Chicago: laga: Well, I did want to turn on write-combining for the 2D and 3D space... and uncacheable for the command space and I set my regular RAM to write-back.
[23:10:58] Chicago: So, I'd like see you be right and its just xrandr related problems with my configuration.
[23:11:12] Chicago: :)
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[23:13:11] laga: heh
[23:13:31] laga: Chicago: -r or --reset Resets frontend appearance settings and language
[23:14:16] juski: SiD3WiNDR: that's some clever VBI palette switching man
[23:15:38] SiD3WiNDR: goddamnit that was nice
[23:15:41] SiD3WiNDR: on a 2600
[23:16:01] laga: SiD3WiNDR: got an URL to the stream for me?
[23:16:22] SiD3WiNDR: rtsp://stream2.asm.fi/tv2048.sdp
[23:16:27] SiD3WiNDR: or rtsp://stream2.asm.fi/tv1024.sdp
[23:16:36] SiD3WiNDR: the number's the kilobits per second ;)
[23:16:44] SiD3WiNDR: there's 512 as well I think
[23:16:53] laga: thanks
[23:17:00] laga: how do you play it? mplayer doesn't seem to like it here
[23:17:03] SiD3WiNDR: vlc
[23:17:29] SiD3WiNDR: that demo doesn't look TOO different from non-arcade outrun :>
[23:17:37] laga: yay
[23:17:56] laga: it's working, thanks
[23:19:05] juski: heh where'd any of these demos be without EQU'd sine tables? ;)
[23:19:46] SiD3WiNDR: did I read NES :)
[23:20:07] juski: aye
[23:20:21] ** SiD3WiNDR eyes the grey box next to his mythfrontend **
[23:20:26] SiD3WiNDR: IT'S YOU!
[23:21:37] Chicago: laga: The reset fixed the window position and size. Thanks
[23:21:44] laga: Chicago: :)
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[23:22:39] SiD3WiNDR: mm
[23:22:43] SiD3WiNDR: those weren't a lot of entries!
[23:22:47] SiD3WiNDR: cool nonetheless ;)
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[23:22:53] Chicago: laga: Can you tell me howto easily setup a separate mixer to use with ALSA separate for MythTV?
[23:23:49] laga: no
[23:23:55] laga: SiD3WiNDR: yip
[23:24:19] laga: juski: hum. i guess it's not possible to use the search box on youtube with the virtual keyboard, huh? :(
[23:24:56] laga: juski: just found a posting on the ML saying it's not possible/hard to implement. sad.
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[23:29:30] Slyboots: Sighm, this is going well, trying to build mythplugins, bgut I get a speel of zmserver.cpp errors to do wtih mysql
[23:30:47] Slyboots: Which has something to do with mythzoneer.. whatever the feck that is
[23:32:27] janneg: why do you have that plugin enabled if you don't known what it is
[23:32:50] Slyboots: Well it was just enabled by default :P
[23:32:57] Slyboots: So I figured, Meh why not
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[23:33:13] Slyboots: MyhtZoneMinder
[23:34:27] Urden: can anyone recommend a very cheap capture card that will work with mythtv? i know the wintv pvr-150 is the optimal card, but im on a budget and cheap is important. i want to try out mythtv with the smallest possible financial commitment before buying a more expensive card
[23:34:40] directhex: Urden, analog or digital?
[23:35:14] Urden: analog
[23:35:15] Slyboots: What does it do anyway?
[23:35:24] Slyboots: (MythZoneMinder)
[23:35:38] directhex: Urden, any non-PVR card you buy is wasted money
[23:35:52] laga: um. the mythnews readme says there should be a "custom" button to add my own feeds. i can't find it in the settings. is it gone?
[23:36:10] laga: directhex: dsome bt8x8 cards can be had for a few bucks
[23:36:13] Slyboots: Oh right, its like a CTV thing
[23:36:25] directhex: laga, so they can. so can crack coccaine. doesn't make it good
[23:36:26] Urden: directhex, so the only cards that work are the wintv pvr* cards?
[23:36:31] SiD3WiNDR: beh, I guess I'll be buying another dvd. (the assembly 07 one)
[23:36:41] directhex: Urden, many cards work. do you want something that's utter crap?
[23:37:03] Urden: directhex, if its cheap enough for me to see if i like the whole mythtv concept, yes
[23:37:11] Urden: i'll buy a good card if i like it
[23:37:37] directhex: Urden, the flaw being that a framegrabber is far from joyful to use
[23:38:05] Urden: directhex, dificult to set up? consumes a lot of cpu?
[23:38:11] directhex: Urden, yes.
[23:38:21] Urden: hmm
[23:39:13] directhex: and looks like something that cat did
[23:39:25] SiD3WiNDR: cats rock.
[23:39:48] Urden: hehe
[23:39:56] Slyboots: hmm.. Still nto compiling
[23:40:06] Urden: maybe i should look for a used pvr-150
[23:42:45] juski: Slyboots: try ./ocnfigure --diable-all --enable-mythvideo --enable-mythmusic (etc) or just disable plugins you don't want ;)
[23:42:53] juski: even ./configure
[23:43:00] juski: and --disable-foo
[23:43:52] juski: Slyboots: if it's any consolation I just rebuilt my backend tonight with all the plugins. went smoooothly :)
[23:44:19] juski: months & months ago I used apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins – which bar a couple of things pulled in all build deps
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[23:44:49] juski: and FYI before trying to build the plugins you should make install mythtv first
[23:46:03] Slyboots: I've tried that
[23:46:08] Slyboots: Its still not compiling..
[23:46:20] Slyboots: /usr/include/mythtv/libmythtv/recordingtypes.h:4:21: error: mythexp.h: No such file or directory
[23:46:23] Slyboots: o.O
[23:46:50] Slyboots: The file is there though
[23:47:15] Chicago: How much "audio waiting for space on soundcard:" is acceptable? I can't hear it perceptually? I have the log here, are these just warnings? http://rafb.net/p/v9yMyG33.html Or are they actually missing their scheduling?
[23:48:25] Slyboots: Uh.. So what the heck could be wrong..
[23:48:45] Slyboots: For mytharchive
[23:48:46] juski: Slyboots: any amount of things. config variables being the most likely iMHO
[23:48:49] Slyboots: Meh, I dont need that.. o.o
[23:49:22] Slyboots: Right, lets see if that helsp\
[23:49:39] juski: did mythtv itself build & install ok?
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[23:50:09] Slyboots: Aye
[23:50:18] Slyboots: I built it and installed it with check-install
[23:50:25] Slyboots: Runs fine
[23:50:39] Slyboots: Although for the weirdest reason I cant run ./configure in myththemes
[23:50:43] Chicago: What is this A/V Divergence: -0.0945274 equal to in milliseconds?
[23:50:50] Slyboots: I get "Program ERRROR: Plase run .configure"
[23:51:48] Slyboots: Which is like.. super helpful
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[23:53:23] Tanthrix: Chicago: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=0.09 . . . oogle+Search
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[23:54:47] SiD3WiNDR: which is like... /1000 !
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[23:55:59] juski: Slyboots: I had the myththemes issue once. try forcing the prefix with --prefix=/usr/local
[23:56:15] Chicago: Tanthrix: in my head I was thinking milli equals six.. I guess it is three.
[23:56:28] Chicago: Well, how can I get my latency down below 94ms?
[23:57:20] juski: Chicago: if it's talking about an mpeg stream it's normal for the audio with timestamp XYZ to arrive at a different time to video with the same timestamp
[23:57:46] juski: at least with digital TV streams anyway. if you don't see any A/V sync issues I'd not worry about it

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