| Thursday, August 2nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:45] | andyman53: | there were a whole bunch of these |
| [00:00:47] | andyman53: | A: 74.6 V: 74.6 A-V: 0.015 ct: 0.032 2231/2231 24% 5% 5.1% 58 0 |
| [00:00:53] | andyman53: | but with different values |
| [00:02:26] | andyman53: | 2007-08–01 19:25:45.657 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
| [00:07:58] | andyman53: | really strange...... |
| [00:09:07] | andyman53: | mtd.log it is |
| [00:09:15] | andyman53: | "bad destination directory in job request" |
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| [00:11:23] | maek: | do you need a window manager or X to run mythtvfrontend? |
| [00:11:37] | pat_: | just X |
| [00:11:37] | directhex: | strictly no to both |
| [00:11:43] | directhex: | in practice, you really want both |
| [00:12:16] | pat_: | without X? what do you use then, does mythtv work on directfb? |
| [00:12:22] | directhex: | x because using the framebuffer directly blows; a window manager because you'll have focus issues with spawned apps (e.g. mplayer) without |
| [00:12:29] | directhex: | pat_, all Qt apps can bypass X |
| [00:12:33] | pat_: | aah |
| [00:13:00] | pat_: | learn something every day :) |
| [00:14:13] | andyman53: | is there any fix for the zap2it guides that are expiring soon? |
| [00:14:28] | fryfrog: | 2 fixes. move or commit suicide |
| [00:14:34] | fryfrog: | oh, 3rd might be in /topic |
| [00:15:06] | andyman53: | it's really backwards that they wouldn't even turn it pay |
| [00:15:08] | andyman53: | i'd pay for those listings |
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| [00:15:29] | fryfrog: | i'm sure they've done a bidness analysis of going for pay and found it doesn't work for them |
| [00:15:45] | phiwer: | &YYOOOOO |
| [00:15:51] | andyman53: | i guess... |
| [00:15:51] | fryfrog: | i suspect they could make money, but probably no where *near* the scale they make from say, tv guide, selling listings to XYZ, etc |
| [00:16:32] | fryfrog: | If you make 1.1 gigawatts of $$$, why bother with +$10k or +$100k / yr? |
| [00:16:52] | andyman53: | that is true |
| [00:16:57] | andyman53: | they didn't seem that big to me however |
| [00:17:04] | fryfrog: | data direct? |
| [00:17:18] | fryfrog: | from what i understand, they basically have a monopoly on tv listings |
| [00:17:25] | catisonh: | they were doing it as a service before, for free, if they could do it, make money, and keep the free loaders out then why not? |
| [00:17:41] | fryfrog: | they either own (or supply) tv guide, listings for tv guide channel, tivo's listings, listings that go to cable boxes, etc |
| [00:17:50] | andyman53: | wow |
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| [00:17:55] | andyman53: | i didn't know it was only them |
| [00:18:10] | fryfrog: | andyman53: i'm not omnipotent, so i could be wrong |
| [00:18:19] | andyman53: | gotcha |
| [00:18:33] | fryfrog: | catisonh: aparantly they were losing money on it (not hard to see why, it was free, used servers and bandwidth as well as employees) |
| [00:19:21] | catisonh: | fryfrog, yeah, I can see that, but it looks like the mythtv guys are trying to find a way for them to get compensated somehow, or to take the load off them |
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| [00:20:15] | fryfrog: | my guess is that they'd lease/buy/license the data from data direct, just like tivo/tvguide/etc does, *hopefully* at a rate they can afford to turn around and re-sell to us for a price we can afford |
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| [00:20:36] | catisonh: | makes sense |
| [00:20:43] | fryfrog: | I could swing something like $1–3 a month for listings, but much more than that and I'll just turn my mythbox off and use the 2 cumcast DVRs I have |
| [00:20:49] | clever: | Dibblah: i think my bug happened again somehow |
| [00:20:49] | catisonh: | almost everyone I've talked to about it is willing to pay something |
| [00:21:03] | fryfrog: | yeah, that is the consensus i've seen too |
| [00:21:11] | fryfrog: | and it *isn't* just mythtv that needs these listings |
| [00:21:19] | catisonh: | yeah |
| [00:21:28] | fryfrog: | so the potential customer base for this "schedules direct" venture could be big enough to bring the price down |
| [00:21:40] | catisonh: | I am interested to know how big the openpvr community really is |
| [00:21:46] | fryfrog: | especially if it is say, a non-profit organization not looking to gouge the customers :) |
| [00:21:54] | fryfrog: | only labs.zap2it.com knows |
| [00:22:22] | fryfrog: | I think that the "guys" are hoping to get that data from them |
| [00:22:58] | my2keh: | anyone have a script that cleans their guide data ? Like of records in 2038? heh |
| [00:23:01] | catisonh: | I still can't believe they are stopping it with such short notice |
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| [00:23:26] | catisonh: | my2keh, you could sell that data if its accurate |
| [00:23:34] | andyman53: | yeah, i'd definetly pay |
| [00:23:45] | catisonh: | then we wouldn't need zap2it |
| [00:23:47] | my2keh: | catisonh>> it's EIT so it's accurate enough heh |
| [00:25:42] | my2keh: | but sometimes has invalid records |
| [00:25:44] | my2keh: | in the future |
| [00:27:02] | catisonh: | sometimes = 99.99999% |
| [00:27:03] | tjcarter: | I find zap2it is notoriously inaccurate on some channels |
| [00:27:03] | fryfrog: | but that shouldn't actually cause any errors, should it? |
| [00:27:18] | my2keh: | catisonh>> yeah pretty much |
| [00:27:34] | knowledgejunkie: | Anyone using an Antec NSK2400 case? Thinking of picking one up for a new silent frontend... |
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| [00:30:21] | cornell: | I've a single mythbox, knoppmyth, working alright |
| [00:31:09] | tjcarter: | knowledgejunkie: I use a Sonata II for my backend |
| [00:31:32] | knowledgejunkie: | tjcarter: I use a Silverstone LC16M... |
| [00:31:41] | cornell: | I'm moving from one LAN to another. DBHostName is localhost. WHile the machine is off, I unplug from 192.168.x and plug into 192.168.y and boot up. There after, it complains that it can't find the database, or the backend server. |
| [00:31:49] | tjcarter: | I can't say I am 100% happy with the Sonata II |
| [00:31:57] | tjcarter: | little things |
| [00:32:04] | knowledgejunkie: | I'm looking for feedback on the Antec for a silent FE though |
| [00:32:05] | tjcarter: | But they sure do add up |
| [00:32:23] | tjcarter: | I suspect my experience with the Sonata II applies ;) |
| [00:32:39] | knowledgejunkie: | have looked at the Silverstone LC11 too, and have built system with the piano black Sonata for friends |
| [00:33:02] | tjcarter: | Built-in PSU developed serious problems after about a year |
| [00:33:25] | knowledgejunkie: | Was it up the whole time or turned off regularly? |
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| [00:33:35] | cornell: | I've changed /etc/hosts to include the line: newaddress mythtv, no apparent effect |
| [00:33:40] | tjcarter: | Up most of that time |
| [00:33:57] | cornell: | How does the machine's connection to the rest of the world affect localhost? |
| [00:34:02] | cornell: | Any ideas? |
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| [00:34:22] | tjcarter: | I think the problem might be mechanical actually |
| [00:34:49] | tjcarter: | It didn't blue smoke or anything like that.. |
| [00:35:03] | knowledgejunkie: | release the magic blue smoke! |
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| [00:38:35] | Dagmar: | cornell: You have to ENABLE networking for your mysql server |
| [00:38:54] | Dagmar: | By default with most distros it will allow connections over localhost just fine |
| [00:39:03] | Dagmar: | Actually going across the network is another matter entirely |
| [00:39:09] | Dagmar: | It helps if you read the docuentation. |
| [00:43:04] | cornell: | Well... Dagmar, I don't understand... Whatever needs to be enabled should be because it works fine, as a frontend and backend, if I plug it into 192.168.x, and doesn't work when I plug it into 192.168.y. Is there somewhere besides ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt (which has "localhost") where the machine's name is? |
| [00:45:57] | coopster: | i'm running mythfrontend on Ubuntu, and I can't configure the IP for the backend. It keeps trying to connect to 192.168.1.2, despite the fact that i've run dpkg-reconfigure and that all the mysql.txt say 10.0.1.1. any ideas? |
| [00:46:10] | cornell: | And I'm not going across a network (from the frontend to the backend) It's on localhost |
| [00:47:52] | coopster: | i'm running mythfrontend on Ubuntu, and I can't configure the IP for the backend. It keeps trying to connect to 192.168.1.2, despite the fact that i've run dpkg-reconfigure and that all the mysql.txt say 10.0.1.1. any ideas? |
| [00:48:14] | coopster: | (sorry if I repeated, my net connection is having issues) |
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| [00:53:17] | thoraxe: | so uh, i'm using mythdora, and the install keeps failing on the bootloader |
| [00:53:26] | thoraxe: | any suggestions? i know that's oprobably not really myth related |
| [00:58:00] | fryfrog: | try fedora instead? |
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| [01:00:54] | thoraxe: | well |
| [01:01:00] | thoraxe: | i think the initial bootloader install got kinda janxd |
| [01:01:05] | varun0: | so when I run gnome-sound-properties and "Test" my outputs, I can hear sound. But when I play a movie, there is no sound. mplayer doesn't even dump any errors. Any leads on how to debug this? |
| [01:01:08] | thoraxe: | so the installer finds grub but grub isn't totally there |
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| [01:01:19] | thoraxe: | is there an easy way to completely blow out the disk including the mbr? |
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| [01:03:09] | fryfrog: | sure, easy as pie |
| [01:03:35] | fryfrog: | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda (or sda or hdb, etc) bs=512 count=1 |
| [01:03:44] | fryfrog: | well, maybe make it count=10 for good measure |
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| [01:04:07] | thoraxe: | ok cool |
| [01:04:13] | thoraxe: | i will give that a spin after i try norton ghost lol |
| [01:04:25] | fryfrog: | that'd nuke the partition table and mbr, i believe |
| [01:04:27] | fryfrog: | just fyi |
| [01:04:35] | thoraxe: | no data ont he disk, it can all go |
| [01:04:41] | thoraxe: | it's already been formatted multiple times |
| [01:04:46] | thoraxe: | actually i don't think ghost is the right util to use |
| [01:04:50] | thoraxe: | i need a bootable pqm |
| [01:04:50] | fryfrog: | i use a *version* of that to make a copy of my mbr, for use with the windows boot loader |
| [01:05:39] | Cromn: | hey all, i just installed myth on my gentoo box and when i try to run mythtv-setup, mythfrontend, etc i get 'Segmentation Fault' does anyone know what could be causing this error? |
| [01:05:54] | fryfrog: | re-emerge mythtv would be my guess |
| [01:06:00] | fryfrog: | probably compiled against something bum maybe? |
| [01:06:13] | fryfrog: | amd64 or x8t? |
| [01:06:17] | fryfrog: | er, x86 |
| [01:06:20] | fryfrog: | and ~ or not? |
| [01:06:22] | Cromn: | x86 |
| [01:06:35] | Cromn: | with a nvidia card |
| [01:06:41] | fryfrog: | humm |
| [01:07:57] | Cromn: | i'm thinking i might have setup xorg or mysql wrong or something |
| [01:08:19] | fryfrog: | shouldn't cause a seg fault in mythtv-setup |
| [01:08:44] | fryfrog: | does it have a "-v all" option? or is that only for frontend/backend? |
| [01:09:44] | Cromn: | i'm not sure what you mean |
| [01:10:24] | thoraxe: | fryfrog: should that command have taken 2 seconds? |
| [01:10:26] | thoraxe: | like not even |
| [01:10:40] | pat_: | yeah |
| [01:11:06] | fryfrog: | what command? |
| [01:11:08] | fryfrog: | oh, the dd? |
| [01:11:11] | thoraxe: | ya |
| [01:11:12] | fryfrog: | yeah, virtually instant :) |
| [01:11:16] | thoraxe: | ok |
| [01:11:23] | thoraxe: | let's try the mythdora install again for the 4th time hehe |
| [01:11:26] | fryfrog: | you could do the whole disk, if you were looking for say, dod grade erasure :) |
| [01:13:42] | cornell: | Can anybody give me a hint as to how changing the LAN ip address of a mythbox, running as a frontend and master backend, talking to itself via localhost, why changing the LAN address would cause it to no longer talk to itself? |
| [01:14:08] | fryfrog: | you maybe were using a hostname or fixed ip to reference, like you should? |
| [01:14:14] | fryfrog: | do you have phpmyadmin installed? |
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| [01:14:59] | cornell: | Well... I had used a hostname and was having trouble with it. Only when I went to localhost could I get it to work (nine months ago, it's been fine since then) |
| [01:16:02] | cornell: | And no to phpmyadmin. I've used mysql commandline and mysql and mythconverg seem alive and well. |
| [01:16:07] | jams: | hostnames are not supported, only ip's |
| [01:16:37] | thoraxe: | sweet, it asked me for bootloader config |
| [01:16:40] | cornell: | So DBHostName would be better 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost? |
| [01:16:40] | fryfrog: | search your db for 127.0.0.1 or localhost or your old ip, replace it with the proper one |
| [01:16:57] | fryfrog: | if you *ONLY* have one mythtv system (fe/be) that'd be fine |
| [01:16:58] | thoraxe: | thanks fryfrog |
| [01:17:06] | fryfrog: | if you *ever* plan on having more than one, use the system's real IP |
| [01:17:12] | thoraxe: | i chose no bootloader this time |
| [01:17:16] | thoraxe: | this isn't gonna do anything but myth |
| [01:17:17] | cornell: | So there's an entry in the database itself, not just in mysql.txt |
| [01:17:25] | thoraxe: | man i really need to put this athlon xp2000 in this box |
| [01:17:26] | fryfrog: | uh, if you dont' have a boot loader it won't boot :/ |
| [01:17:32] | thoraxe: | um |
| [01:17:35] | fryfrog: | cornell: correct |
| [01:17:35] | knowledgejunkie: | cornell: have you run mythtv-setup and reset the master backend's IP address? This is stored in the DB, along with hostnames for your settings |
| [01:17:51] | thoraxe: | i guess i'll find out the hard way |
| [01:17:59] | thoraxe: | i don't see how it would allow it to not make the disk bootable |
| [01:17:59] | fryfrog: | cornell: mysql.txt tells it where to look for the DB, its user, pass. The *DB* has the backend's IP, etc |
| [01:18:11] | fryfrog: | thoraxe: the *bootloader* is what boots your system |
| [01:18:12] | thoraxe: | i'm guessing i chose no to grub and yes to lilo ro something, lol |
| [01:18:17] | knowledgejunkie: | cornell: the mysql.txt file just tells your myth progs where the DB is |
| [01:18:31] | fryfrog: | it doesn't matter if you have only one OS, you need a boot loader. Windows even has one |
| [01:18:32] | thoraxe: | fryfrog: yes, that would make much sense. I suppose I'll find out what happens when the install finishes |
| [01:18:38] | fryfrog: | lilo is fine :) |
| [01:18:49] | fryfrog: | grub is the "new hotness" from like 5+ years ago, but lilo works fine |
| [01:18:49] | thoraxe: | worst case i can boot into the rescue and manually installt he bootloader? |
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| [01:20:19] | cornell: | Any idea which of the 78 tables it might be in? |
| [01:20:30] | fryfrog: | sorry, dunno anything about mythdora |
| [01:20:41] | varun0: | does anyone know the command to have mtd start on start up? I'm on Ubuntu |
| [01:20:43] | fryfrog: | you'd likely be able to install grub/lilo if you like after the fact :) |
| [01:20:47] | billytwowilly: | hi, I notice a bunch of tv's (i.e 42 inch plasma from maxent) come with rs-232 ports. Anyone have any luck changing channels, etc with the serial port? |
| [01:20:55] | kormoc: | cornell, settings table |
| [01:21:04] | cornell: | Thanks |
| [01:21:22] | kormoc: | billytwowilly, it's rather unusual for myth to control a tv in that fasion |
| [01:22:21] | cornell: | Ah-ha... there's a bunch of rows for hostname = mythtv |
| [01:22:38] | cornell: | (wow, 353 rows) |
| [01:22:42] | billytwowilly: | kormoc: not really, there used to be a program for controlling my dct-2500 set top box through myth.. If only my cable tv provider wasn't a loser and had the serial port locked off.. |
| [01:23:19] | kormoc: | billytwowilly, that's true, but that's a recording source. the tv isn't, and changing channels on a non-recording source is strange for myth to be used for |
| [01:23:32] | knowledgejunkie: | cornell: "SELECT * FROM `settings` where value like '%ServerIP%';" should show you the IPs stored in your DB. You can also run an update command on the hostname column to reflect any changes to the machine's hostname |
| [01:23:35] | fryfrog: | billytwowilly: right, that is to control a *cable box* not a TV |
| [01:23:50] | varun0: | andyman: did you figure it out? |
| [01:23:51] | fryfrog: | billytwowilly: invest in a logitech harmony remote :) |
| [01:23:54] | billytwowilly: | kormoc: I'm more interesting in turning it on and off and upping the volume and stuff, I was just using that as the example stuff to do. |
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| [01:25:13] | Tanthrix: | That would be nifty. You could probably do the same with an irblaster though |
| [01:25:21] | billytwowilly: | fryfrog: and how will that help me make my media follow me from room to room without constantly having to turn on and off tv's? |
| [01:25:38] | cornell: | Bingo, knowledgejunkie.... |
| [01:26:04] | fryfrog: | erm, how would turning off a tv help you get your tv to follow you? |
| [01:26:12] | fryfrog: | like, it'd be on wheels or something? |
| [01:26:18] | cornell: | So, I can leave mysql.txt alone, but I have to update ServerIP's data with the new IP address, right knowledgejunkie? |
| [01:26:25] | varun0: | andyman53: did you figure it out? |
| [01:26:39] | billytwowilly: | fryfrog: you can use some of the stuff in linuxmce, to make your media follow you around, but you need to be able to turn on/off tv's and stuff. |
| [01:26:45] | knowledgejunkie: | cornell: unless you move your SQL server, yes |
| [01:26:58] | fryfrog: | billytwowilly: how does it, er, know where you are RFID? |
| [01:27:10] | billytwowilly: | fryfrog: bluetooth mobile phone |
| [01:27:11] | cornell: | Cool thank you |
| [01:27:17] | fryfrog: | ahhhh |
| [01:27:28] | fryfrog: | irblaster then? |
| [01:28:23] | billytwowilly: | fryfrog: that's the convential way to do it, but that's boring;) |
| [01:28:33] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [01:28:58] | billytwowilly: | I wish all the cheap chinese manufacturers would agree on a data interchange format and then just put usb ports on their tv's. |
| [01:29:12] | kormoc: | firewire |
| [01:29:17] | knowledgejunkie: | cornell: no problem :) is it working? |
| [01:29:27] | andyman53: | varun: yeah, i had to check the mtd.log |
| [01:29:35] | andyman53: | and it was trying to write to a directory that didn't exist |
| [01:29:45] | cornell: | I've been looking all evening.... I'd've probably still been looking next week |
| [01:30:01] | varun0: | andyman53: haha.....yea I just ran into the same issue :-) |
| [01:30:02] | cornell: | Don't know yet, gotta do it, and swap the cable. |
| [01:30:14] | billytwowilly: | firewire = expensive overkill for just telling the tv to turn on/off volume up, change channel, etc. |
| [01:30:16] | andyman53: | hah |
| [01:30:59] | varun0: | andyman53: I feel so stupid for not telling you to look at the log |
| [01:31:30] | kormoc: | billytwowilly, it's not that costly, and it is the industry standard for A/V communications |
| [01:31:56] | kormoc: | billytwowilly, also there are tv's that accept firewire so you can view from your firewire hd camera and the like |
| [01:32:18] | billytwowilly: | kormoc: it's the standard for data transfer. It's costly because almost no cheap/small motherboards have it onboard |
| [01:33:13] | kormoc: | billytwowilly, that's not really true anymore. Almost all mobos have it onboard now-a-days and it's dirt cheap, $10 for a 4 port firewire pci card |
| [01:33:23] | andyman53: | varun0: ah, don't sweat it |
| [01:34:18] | billytwowilly: | kormoc: is it on any of the epia boards? |
| [01:34:22] | Tanthrix: | It's still overkill for the purpose. A separate headphone jack esqe serial standard for channel changing and other misc functions would be a much better way to go. |
| [01:35:03] | kormoc: | billytwowilly, some do, aye |
| [01:35:06] | Tanthrix: | But, probably not useful enough to enough people to be worthwhile |
| [01:35:24] | kormoc: | billytwowilly, typically a break-out cable is required, but they're only $5 or so |
| [01:35:52] | billytwowilly: | kormoc: well then I suppose it can be firewire, although I still like usb better since it's more widely available. |
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| [01:36:54] | kormoc: | billytwowilly, honestly, it's really strange how wide spread firewire is in AV stuff, it might be more common outside of AV, but really, I'd perfer a firewire port that I could hook up to my cameras and the like in the future then a usb port that I can't :) |
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| [01:40:15] | cornell: | Thanks again all |
| [01:40:16] | cornell: | TTFN |
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| [01:40:50] | my2keh: | can anyone ping this: 66.186.83.42 |
| [01:40:50] | my2keh: | ? |
| [01:42:24] | thoraxe: | fryfrog: i guess that really was no bootloader |
| [01:42:41] | thoraxe: | is there an easy way to install lilo/grub manually? lol |
| [01:42:48] | clever: | my2keh: 64 bytes from 66.186.83.42: icmp_seq=2 ttl=237 time=106 ms |
| [01:43:21] | clever: | if grub is installed on a running system you can have it install to the boot sector |
| [01:43:39] | clever: | thoraxe: ive made grub floppys to boot my laptop when it didnt have a boot loader |
| [01:43:55] | clever: | once the system is up you can use the grub installed on it to fix its own boot sector |
| [01:44:01] | thoraxe: | uh |
| [01:44:12] | thoraxe: | i can get into redhat with the cd in rescue mode |
| [01:44:12] | fryfrog: | just reinstall :p |
| [01:44:18] | thoraxe: | fryfrog: ok :) |
| [01:44:20] | clever: | lol |
| [01:44:21] | fryfrog: | re-do the dd, reinstall, pick grub this time :) |
| [01:44:24] | clever: | reinstall wont be needed |
| [01:44:32] | thoraxe: | roger dodger |
| [01:44:37] | fryfrog: | grub / lilo aren't *hard* but if it only took you this long to isntall... |
| [01:44:38] | clever: | if you can get into rescue mode you can probly get a console |
| [01:44:43] | fryfrog: | it'd prolly take that long just to figure it out |
| [01:44:45] | thoraxe: | i can def get a console |
| [01:44:47] | clever: | and then run the grub installer(to boot sect) |
| [01:44:55] | fryfrog: | unless you know what you are doing, then it'd be like 10 sec |
| [01:44:57] | my2keh: | clever>> thanks |
| [01:44:57] | clever: | try running grub |
| [01:45:04] | thoraxe: | k sec |
| [01:45:09] | thoraxe: | booting, this is only a 700mhz box |
| [01:45:10] | thoraxe: | haha |
| [01:45:14] | my2keh: | stupid network crapola |
| [01:45:20] | clever: | my laptop i need to fix is 200mhz:P |
| [01:45:22] | thoraxe: | grub -> probing devices |
| [01:46:07] | thoraxe: | ok i'm in the grub menu |
| [01:46:13] | clever: | you can either install it to the MBR(it will load when booting from the drive and kill any xp/winblows) or into the partition(wont kill winblows but not shure how to run it) |
| [01:46:25] | thoraxe: | no windows, no data, just need it to boot the disk |
| [01:46:27] | clever: | any other os's on the drive you might kill? |
| [01:46:29] | thoraxe: | not gonna multiboot |
| [01:46:32] | clever: | k:D |
| [01:46:34] | thoraxe: | nah this is a blank box |
| [01:46:39] | clever: | root (<tab> |
| [01:46:47] | clever: | it should list off the valid devices when you hit tab |
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| [01:47:03] | clever: | fd0 hd0 hd1 hd2.... |
| [01:48:07] | thoraxe: | i haveonly hd0 |
| [01:48:12] | clever: | k |
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| [01:49:10] | my2keh: | hmmm stupid ATA |
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| [01:49:48] | [-clever-]`ca: | thoraxe: damnit |
| [01:49:59] | [-clever-]`ca: | thoraxe: irc client segfaults when my drive gets full(forgot i was fixing the free space:P) |
| [01:50:21] | [-clever-]`ca: | finish the cmd "root (hd0,0)" |
| [01:50:33] | [-clever-]`ca: | then i think "setup (hd0,0)" |
| [01:50:35] | livingtm: | I have a PVR500, and when i first enter live TV, the audio is a bunch of crap until i change the channel. anyone know seen this before? It happens sometimes on recorded shows as well |
| [01:50:45] | [-clever-]`ca: | that would install grub to the boot sector of the drive(sector 0) |
| [01:50:59] | [-clever-]`ca: | about the worst you can do is kill the current boot loader |
| [01:51:10] | thoraxe: | which doesn't exist :) |
| [01:51:23] | [-clever-]`ca: | so you cant realy mess it up any more:P |
| [01:51:38] | thoraxe: | clever: setup (hd0,0) said file not found |
| [01:51:41] | [-clever-]`ca: | i beleive it will search (hd0,0) aka hda1 for the stage1/2 files and install them where needed |
| [01:51:47] | ** clever checks the manual ** | |
| [01:52:04] | [-clever-]`ca: | thoraxe: was that while in the grub? |
| [01:52:18] | [-clever-]`ca: | should say 'grub>' at the start of the line |
| [01:52:28] | thoraxe: | yes |
| [01:52:41] | thoraxe: | i did grub> setup (hd0,0) and it said file not found |
| [01:53:10] | [-clever-]`ca: | which file not found? |
| [01:53:27] | Aval0n: | are QAM chans brought through on the ATSC tuner? |
| [01:54:01] | Aval0n: | livingtm if it happens with recorded shows too it sounds like a sound driver issue |
| [01:54:28] | thoraxe: | i don't have /boot/grub/stage1 or /grub/stage1 |
| [01:54:39] | livingtm: | Aval0n, If by sound driver you mean the portion that takes the sound from the PVR500, i would agree |
| [01:54:57] | Aval0n: | if it happens on your recordings |
| [01:55:03] | Aval0n: | the pvr500 isn't involved at all |
| [01:55:09] | livingtm: | Aval0n, if you are referring to the audio out card, I really dont think tahts the issue because it started when i installed the 500 |
| [01:55:11] | [-clever-]`ca: | thoraxe: ahh yeah |
| [01:55:21] | livingtm: | it RECORDS static |
| [01:55:25] | Aval0n: | nice |
| [01:55:26] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [01:55:31] | Aval0n: | yeah that's tough |
| [01:55:33] | Aval0n: | what kinda card is it? |
| [01:55:34] | livingtm: | if i change the channel its ok |
| [01:55:41] | Aval0n: | sorry |
| [01:55:41] | livingtm: | hauppauge pvr500 |
| [01:55:44] | Aval0n: | tuner |
| [01:55:46] | Aval0n: | analog |
| [01:55:48] | Aval0n: | or hd side |
| [01:55:52] | livingtm: | analog |
| [01:55:53] | livingtm: | cable |
| [01:55:58] | Aval0n: | sorry pvr500 doesn't have HD |
| [01:56:01] | livingtm: | it works great once ive changed the channel |
| [01:56:02] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [01:56:07] | Aval0n: | that's weird |
| [01:56:08] | [-clever-]`ca: | thoraxe #grub might know more |
| [01:56:16] | thoraxe: | lol |
| [01:56:16] | livingtm: | its like the audio channel doesnt get set properly |
| [01:56:18] | thoraxe: | reinstall |
| [01:56:20] | thoraxe: | haha |
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| [01:57:08] | livingtm: | and it seems to be at about 100% volume with white noise, so its great late at night :-) |
| [01:57:26] | livingtm: | all of a sudden your crap yourself and jump up to turn it down :-) |
| [01:58:52] | keith4_: | the wiki shows three examples of mythtvosd.... with three different templates: scroller, alert, and cid... in mythtv-0.20-svn20070223/programs/mythtvosd/ there are two xml files, one for cid and one for alert. where is the scroller template? |
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| [02:03:51] | Tanthrix: | livingtm: Using the latest ivtv driver and the proper firmwares for your card? |
| [02:04:29] | livingtm: | Tanthrix, Oh, probably not |
| [02:04:46] | livingtm: | Tanthrix, latest as of, maybe april |
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| [02:04:51] | Tanthrix: | I'd start there, assuming the problem also occurs when you use mplayer (as to rule out a myth issue) |
| [02:05:05] | livingtm: | mplayer and the tuner? |
| [02:05:17] | livingtm: | or mplayer and the recorded videos |
| [02:05:31] | vanquish: | has anybody had any luck getting mythweb 0.21 to work? |
| [02:05:51] | Tanthrix: | Wait, for recordings, is it consistent? |
| [02:06:41] | livingtm: | Tanthrix, some of my recordings turn out with white noise for audio, and when i enter liveTV for the first time it plays white noise for audio |
| [02:06:53] | livingtm: | its like when it changes the channel, it doesnt change the audio channel |
| [02:06:57] | hads: | vanquish: 0.21 DOESN'T EXIST. |
| [02:07:10] | hads: | erm, excuse the shouting. |
| [02:07:15] | Aval0n: | guys I have dish dvr right now and if I'm watching a show and a recording is about to start, I get a little countdown of about 2 minutes on the screen saying it's going to change the channel, does mythtv do that too? |
| [02:07:29] | my2keh: | Aval0n>> similar, yes |
| [02:07:44] | Tanthrix: | And those recordings are consistent with the white noise? (IE, the actual recording really has nothing but whitenoise in it, you can't exit out, replay it, and have it work?) |
| [02:08:01] | Aval0n: | also does myth warn of scheduling issues too? |
| [02:08:09] | my2keh: | Yes |
| [02:08:11] | my2keh: | conflicts |
| [02:08:27] | Aval0n: | cool |
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| [02:09:18] | Aval0n: | damn when I scan for QAM chans I get nothing |
| [02:09:19] | Aval0n: | bummer |
| [02:09:41] | livingtm: | Tanthrix, yes, its as if the audio is tuned to channel 2234234234 which the TV is on channel 6 |
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| [02:10:09] | Tanthrix: | livingtm: Then try doing mplayer /dev/video0 or whatever your tuner is, and see if it happens there |
| [02:11:27] | Aval0n: | oh snap it just updated |
| [02:11:30] | Aval0n: | 58 QAM chans |
| [02:11:30] | Aval0n: | nice |
| [02:11:34] | Aval0n: | 63.. |
| [02:11:45] | Aval0n: | 70 :) |
| [02:11:58] | Aval0n: | wonder how many are un-encrypted |
| [02:12:36] | livingtm: | Tanthrix, The tuner isnt getting set the correct channel. If i change the channel up, then down again, its all good. |
| [02:13:06] | clever: | [01 21:12:57] OUT: MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34 |
| [02:13:06] | clever: | [01 21:12:57] IN: REJECT[]:[]35 |
| [02:13:09] | Tanthrix: | Oh, hrm. No idea then. |
| [02:13:14] | clever: | neat, ive never seen it do that before:D |
| [02:13:51] | clever: | now all it needs is a way to change the way the protocol is handled at runtime to addapt to the nearby versions:P |
| [02:14:09] | clever: | which would grow in complexity as changes are made |
| [02:14:11] | my2keh: | hey can anyone get to this? http://atkins.gotdns.com/ |
| [02:14:12] | my2keh: | ? |
| [02:14:36] | thoraxe: | hey fryfrog i did the dd again but this time it didn't ask me about installing the bootloader |
| [02:14:39] | thoraxe: | ?? |
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| [02:14:45] | clever: | my2keh: it resolves to 192.168.0.2 a PRIVATE ip |
| [02:14:52] | my2keh: | damn it! |
| [02:14:53] | clever: | my2keh: it will only work within your lan |
| [02:15:10] | my2keh: | stupid linksys |
| [02:15:24] | clever: | if you have linux you can check with 'dig atkins.gotdns.com' in a terminal window |
| [02:15:28] | clever: | or nslookup atkins.gotdns.com |
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| [02:16:08] | clever: | i use dyndns.com and the winblows updater they have(i did make my own but bugs caused it to sometimes update too often and block updates) |
| [02:17:25] | my2keh: | I was trying to use the linksys's functionality |
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| [02:17:33] | jtmoney: | uhm, is there a bug for the theme not displaying any of the items on the menu? only happens when i'm using opengl and not qt (but i do have the latest nvidia driver installed and working correctly) |
| [02:17:40] | clever: | none of my routers support that but it would be great if it worked |
| [02:17:59] | my2keh: | well it's reporting the IP of my ATA |
| [02:18:02] | Tanthrix: | jtmoney: Is glx enabled in your xconf? |
| [02:18:03] | my2keh: | instead of my cable modem |
| [02:18:04] | my2keh: | heh |
| [02:18:11] | Tanthrix: | jtmoney: Can you run glxgears without trouble? |
| [02:18:26] | my2keh: | can you try again? |
| [02:18:31] | my2keh: | i just changed it |
| [02:18:49] | jtmoney: | Tanthrix: yes |
| [02:18:52] | clever: | [01 21:18:47] * Dns resolved atkins.gotdns.com to 66.186.83.42 |
| [02:18:58] | jtmoney: | well, glxgears runs |
| [02:19:03] | my2keh: | yeah, but http://atkins.gotdns.com/ |
| [02:19:04] | jtmoney: | let me check x11.conf |
| [02:19:06] | my2keh: | it doesn't come up |
| [02:19:08] | my2keh: | ugh |
| [02:19:13] | my2keh: | stupid stupid thing! |
| [02:19:15] | clever: | my2keh: i think the port(80) is still closed(not forwarded) |
| [02:19:37] | jtmoney: | Tanthrix: yup, yes to both |
| [02:19:46] | my2keh: | clever>> I don't have the most straightforward setup I think |
| [02:19:54] | clever: | mines a mess too:P |
| [02:19:56] | my2keh: | the guys here were trying to help me out yesterday |
| [02:20:02] | clever: | every pc runs to the cisco switch |
| [02:20:04] | Tanthrix: | jtmoney: Well, something still isn't right |
| [02:20:10] | clever: | one of the ports goes to the router |
| [02:20:21] | clever: | the modem port goes back to a private lan on the cisco switch |
| [02:20:21] | jtmoney: | right ;) |
| [02:20:31] | clever: | which goes right back out another port to the dsl modem |
| [02:20:40] | my2keh: | uhh huh |
| [02:20:41] | my2keh: | hehe |
| [02:20:45] | Tanthrix: | jtmoney: Perhaps you didn't have the correct gl libs when compiling? Not sure. |
| [02:20:51] | clever: | no real use(other then adding a laptop to that vlan so i can listen to the dsl protocol pppoe) |
| [02:20:57] | my2keh: | I have Modem -> ATA -> Wireless Router -> PC's |
| [02:21:12] | my2keh: | and it's the PC (myth) that I want to open up |
| [02:21:23] | clever: | modem->switch->router->switch->allcomputers/wireless->laptops |
| [02:21:28] | my2keh: | heh |
| [02:21:33] | my2keh: | but my ATA only has 1 port |
| [02:21:57] | clever: | mine has 6(4 lan and 1 of them crossed both ways) and a wan(modem) port |
| [02:22:03] | clever: | 2 in use |
| [02:22:17] | clever: | 2nd wireless router(just the lan port in use) being used as a wap |
| [02:22:30] | my2keh: | do you know how I'd get myth through the router and then through ata? |
| [02:22:41] | clever: | open the port up in both |
| [02:23:05] | clever: | i helped some1 online once |
| [02:23:11] | clever: | his 'modem' was a modem+router in 1 box |
| [02:23:13] | billytwowilly: | anyone got a line on cheap pxe boot systems for frontends? |
| [02:23:16] | my2keh: | well, ata is on the 168.0.x |
| [02:23:20] | clever: | he had wall->'modem'->router |
| [02:23:24] | my2keh: | router is 168.1.x |
| [02:23:30] | clever: | which was actualy wall->modem->ruter->router |
| [02:23:44] | my2keh: | myth is 1.98 |
| [02:23:53] | my2keh: | on 1.1 I made 1.98 as the DMZ |
| [02:24:04] | clever: | what 2 ip's does the router have? |
| [02:24:06] | my2keh: | the router seems to have two IP's |
| [02:24:11] | my2keh: | 0.2 |
| [02:24:12] | clever: | it should have a public and private ip |
| [02:24:15] | my2keh: | and 1.1 |
| [02:24:22] | my2keh: | ata has a public IP |
| [02:24:26] | clever: | 192.168.0.2? and 192.168.1.1? |
| [02:24:39] | my2keh: | yes, router has 0.2 and 1.1 |
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| [02:24:49] | clever: | and ata is im guessing public and 192.168.0.1 |
| [02:24:55] | my2keh: | correcto |
| [02:25:05] | tcpsyn: | Does anyone know where I can download hd programming legally to test my hdtv? |
| [02:25:10] | clever: | set the ata to forward 80 or everything(dmz) to 192.168.0.2 |
| [02:25:15] | my2keh: | I did |
| [02:25:22] | clever: | if you forward everything then the router will have to protect things |
| [02:25:49] | my2keh: | DMZ Host IP Address: 192.168.0.2 |
| [02:26:13] | clever: | now in the router you need to forward it again(to the actual target) |
| [02:26:31] | my2keh: | in the router |
| [02:26:37] | my2keh: | I have DMZ Host IP Address: 192.168.1.98 |
| [02:27:06] | keith4_: | the wiki shows three examples of mythtvosd.... with three different templates: scroller, alert, and cid... in mythtv-0.20-svn20070223/programs/mythtvosd/ there are two xml files, one for cid and one for alert. where is the scroller template? |
| [02:27:32] | keith4_: | billytwowilly: minimyth? |
| [02:27:33] | clever: | my2keh: try sheilds up at grc.com |
| [02:27:44] | clever: | my2keh: that will scan you and show the results back to you |
| [02:28:04] | my2keh: | should I scan from myth |
| [02:28:10] | my2keh: | box or from y windows box? |
| [02:28:12] | my2keh: | my* |
| [02:28:14] | clever: | scan from any pc behind the router |
| [02:28:16] | clever: | doesnt realy matter |
| [02:28:29] | clever: | all sheilds up will see is one public ip |
| [02:28:34] | my2keh: | ok |
| [02:28:35] | my2keh: | sec |
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| [02:29:02] | billytwowilly: | keith4: is that hardware? |
| [02:29:48] | my2keh: | clever which option do I take? |
| [02:29:57] | clever: | my2keh: try the all service ports |
| [02:30:01] | my2keh: | k |
| [02:31:07] | my2keh: | ok port 80 is stealth? |
| [02:31:37] | my2keh: | most of them are closed |
| [02:32:47] | clever: | it could be a firewall at the isp,ata,router,mythbox |
| [02:33:27] | my2keh: | firewall blocking access you mean? |
| [02:34:09] | clever: | yeah |
| [02:34:17] | clever: | but it could be on any of those listed things |
| [02:34:23] | my2keh: | hmmm |
| [02:34:26] | my2keh: | I heard that before |
| [02:34:32] | my2keh: | ISP blocks serving from port 80 |
| [02:34:37] | clever: | some isp's dont want you running websites without paying extra so they block 80 and stuff |
| [02:34:47] | my2keh: | so if I change apache to serve out of 8000 or something? |
| [02:34:55] | clever: | i have a friend running a site on 8080 and several others |
| [02:35:10] | clever: | go look at the output from shields up |
| [02:35:38] | clever: | any port showing as closed(blue) isnt blocked and is getting to the mythbox |
| [02:35:45] | clever: | you can try those |
| [02:36:07] | my2keh: | ok |
| [02:36:09] | my2keh: | so I changed it |
| [02:36:13] | my2keh: | I should retry the scan eh? |
| [02:36:19] | clever: | yeah |
| [02:36:25] | clever: | you can also scan certain ports |
| [02:36:31] | clever: | see the text box between the 2 rows of buttons? |
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| [02:36:46] | my2keh: | ahh yes |
| [02:37:00] | clever: | leads me to https://www.grc.com/x/portprobe=8080 |
| [02:37:11] | clever: | which says exactly what its normaly used for and its status on my box |
| [02:37:37] | clever: | stealth means no answer at all(best for security) |
| [02:37:51] | thoraxe: | fryfrog: woo it booted! |
| [02:37:53] | clever: | most of the time forwarding a single port is better then dmz |
| [02:37:53] | thoraxe: | lol |
| [02:38:01] | my2keh: | ok |
| [02:38:04] | my2keh: | it's OPEN! |
| [02:38:05] | my2keh: | heh |
| [02:38:20] | clever: | open means some program is running on there and acception(probly apache:P) |
| [02:38:34] | my2keh: | http://atkins.gotdns.com:81/ doesn't work |
| [02:38:41] | my2keh: | but http://192.168.1.98:81/ does |
| [02:38:47] | clever: | http://atkins.gotdns.com:8080/ |
| [02:38:53] | clever: | thats a bit of a major problem |
| [02:39:10] | clever: | your router lets people on the web into its setup on port 8080 if they have the pw |
| [02:39:24] | my2keh: | you can get to the 8080? |
| [02:39:27] | clever: | either forward less at the ata or tell the router to close that up |
| [02:39:35] | clever: | i can connect to 8080 but it asks for the password |
| [02:39:40] | my2keh: | yes |
| [02:39:45] | clever: | for the WRT54G |
| [02:39:46] | my2keh: | I turned on remote administration |
| [02:39:57] | my2keh: | changed my password from the default of course |
| [02:40:02] | clever: | yeah |
| [02:40:06] | clever: | but it doesnt log failures |
| [02:40:12] | my2keh: | can you get to: http://atkins.gotdns.com:81/ |
| [02:40:15] | clever: | so any1 can make a prog to try 500 passwords a day |
| [02:40:23] | my2keh: | I'm going to turn it off once I get this all working |
| [02:40:35] | clever: | that also 'works' but asks for a mythweb password |
| [02:40:41] | my2keh: | wierd! |
| [02:40:46] | my2keh: | it works for you |
| [02:40:48] | my2keh: | but not me |
| [02:40:51] | clever: | yeah |
| [02:41:03] | clever: | alot of routers wont forward stuff to itself properly when its from the inside |
| [02:41:06] | my2keh: | ugh |
| [02:41:14] | my2keh: | so I could have had this working long before |
| [02:41:25] | my2keh: | 'cause I was testing it, and of course it wasn't working |
| [02:41:27] | my2keh: | damn it! |
| [02:41:30] | clever: | ive tried to do it when making my own router but alot of the help channels wont help because they say it isnt needed |
| [02:41:39] | clever: | they say to just redo the program to use the local ip |
| [02:42:18] | my2keh: | hmm ok that's good |
| [02:42:23] | my2keh: | so it's working |
| [02:42:30] | my2keh: | now, here's an interesting question right |
| [02:42:39] | my2keh: | I'm serving mythweb out port 81 |
| [02:42:46] | clever: | use http://192.168.1.98:81/ when in the house and http://atkins.gotdns.com:81/ when away |
| [02:42:46] | my2keh: | my work only allows port 80 in |
| [02:43:09] | clever: | youll need to either get a middle man to connect the ports |
| [02:43:16] | clever: | or find a port that both have open |
| [02:43:33] | my2keh: | ok |
| [02:43:43] | clever: | it would be simple to put apache on 21 22 23 24 25 78 79 80 81 82 83 8080 8000 ... |
| [02:43:46] | my2keh: | and I guess I need to change my mythtv password |
| [02:43:47] | my2keh: | heh |
| [02:43:50] | clever: | with just a ton of listen lines |
| [02:43:59] | clever: | then you can try all those when you get to work |
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| [02:44:09] | clever: | and just remove the extra's |
| [02:44:35] | clever: | 21 is normaly ftp |
| [02:44:40] | my2keh: | yes |
| [02:44:52] | my2keh: | do most people leave their mythweb open? |
| [02:45:10] | clever: | ive heard some1 in here was googling for a mythweb error |
| [02:45:17] | clever: | and found 50 unprotected mythweb's with the error |
| [02:45:21] | my2keh: | ooo |
| [02:45:31] | clever: | he could easily have deleted all there shows and set it to record pron all night long:P |
| [02:45:56] | clever: | i run mine without a password but over a encrypted vpn |
| [02:46:12] | clever: | you cant even touch the port its on without the vpn client |
| [02:46:32] | my2keh: | What if it was already recording porn all night long? lol |
| [02:46:44] | clever: | he would delete yours and record gay pron:P |
| [02:47:02] | my2keh: | eek! |
| [02:47:04] | my2keh: | password it is |
| [02:47:06] | my2keh: | lol |
| [02:47:09] | clever: | lol |
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| [02:47:22] | clever: | and theres one of the guys that works on mythweb:D |
| [02:47:26] | my2keh: | i'm afraid to change my mythtv password |
| [02:47:33] | my2keh: | i wonder what that affects |
| [02:47:34] | my2keh: | hmm |
| [02:47:39] | my2keh: | i'm gonna read up |
| [02:47:40] | my2keh: | ahh yes |
| [02:48:50] | xris: | clever: :) |
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| [02:48:55] | xris: | and away I go to find some food. |
| [02:48:55] | clever: | depending on how you set the pw in apache youll either protect the /mythweb/ folder or if you mess up youll just protect all or / |
| [02:49:38] | clever: | and if you typo'ed the pw config you may just set an unknown pw on it |
| [02:49:55] | clever: | but theres allmost no protection stoping you from changing the pw all day long if you have root |
| [02:50:27] | my2keh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb#Securing_Mythweb |
| [02:50:30] | my2keh: | I'll read this tomorrow |
| [02:50:49] | my2keh: | and I got ultravnc setup too heh |
| [02:50:55] | clever: | lol:) |
| [02:51:07] | clever: | i mainly use ssh to remotely access things |
| [02:51:11] | clever: | i dont need a gui as much anymore |
| [02:51:20] | clever: | and my cell/pda has an ssh client |
| [02:51:33] | clever: | so i can connect to any linux pc in the house from anywhere |
| [02:51:56] | clever: | add the text mode browser lynx and i can get into mythweb even(going thru a linux thats part of my vpn) |
| [02:52:24] | my2keh: | yes, I mostly use SSH too |
| [02:52:30] | clever: | its ugly because its a text mode browser |
| [02:52:41] | clever: | and then it gets fugly with that tiny pda screen and text mode browser:P |
| [02:53:06] | clever: | i think it was 80x40 char's with the font size i had selected |
| [02:53:10] | my2keh: | ha |
| [02:53:12] | my2keh: | well on that note |
| [02:53:16] | my2keh: | I'm outtie! |
| [02:53:19] | my2keh: | thanks for the help |
| [02:53:33] | clever: | :) |
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| [03:01:23] | tcpsyn: | Can anyone help me out with my xorg.conf for my hdtv? I'm trying to get 720p out of the vga connection. |
| [03:01:54] | tcpsyn: | I'm using twinview to clone my monitor (DFP @ 1280x1024) to the tv (CRT @ 1366x728) |
| [03:02:12] | keith4_: | what hardware? |
| [03:02:19] | tcpsyn: | GeForce 6200 |
| [03:02:41] | tcpsyn: | LG LCD Monitor, and Westinghouse 32" LCD HDTV. |
| [03:02:44] | keith4_: | good |
| [03:03:02] | keith4_: | does the TV upsample 728 to 760? |
| [03:03:09] | tcpsyn: | I don't know. |
| [03:03:15] | tcpsyn: | The manual sucks. |
| [03:03:26] | tcpsyn: | All it really gives me is the native resolution of 1366x768 |
| [03:03:40] | tcpsyn: | Doesn't say the vert/horiz settings or anything |
| [03:04:17] | tcpsyn: | When I reboot the computer with the tv attached, I can see it flash the bios, although, it doesn't use the full tv to do it. |
| [03:04:24] | tcpsyn: | And then when X starts, it says no signal. |
| [03:04:47] | tcpsyn: | I did have it working via composite @ 800x600. |
| [03:05:16] | tcpsyn: | But what good is an HDTV if I can't get comfortable resolution out of it |
| [03:05:24] | keith4_: | good question |
| [03:05:39] | tcpsyn: | Any ideas? |
| [03:05:56] | tcpsyn: | Could someone look at my xorg.conf of something and point me in the right direction? |
| [03:06:26] | keith4_: | if you don't know the expected refresh rates / resolution pairings for your TV... that's going to be tricky |
| [03:07:10] | keith4_: | does your xorg log report any settings that the TV advertises its capable of? |
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| [03:08:43] | tcpsyn: | http://pastebin.com/m73a893c9 |
| [03:08:49] | tcpsyn: | no. |
| [03:08:56] | tcpsyn: | Xorg.0.log doesn't say much |
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| [03:10:46] | tcpsyn: | WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0 |
| [03:11:51] | keith4_: | ah |
| [03:11:53] | keith4_: | foiled! |
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| [03:13:07] | Rudd-O: | hello mythtvers |
| [03:13:09] | Rudd-O: | quick question |
| [03:13:23] | Rudd-O: | I have a theory. I have turned on "full luma range" in my BTTV card, explicitly disabled the adjust filter in the recording and the playback stages. Would this maximize the luma range capture? |
| [03:13:43] | Rudd-O: | (i noticed that the adjust filter was clipping deep black and deep white, thats why i started experimenting) |
| [03:14:01] | Rudd-O: | another question: where can I get a gamma filter that is *not* the adjust filter? |
| [03:14:17] | keith4_: | those are quick questions? |
| [03:14:40] | Rudd-O: | hahahaaaa :-) not exactly quick, but if you know the answers they will be |
| [03:15:45] | Rudd-O: | all picture controls are flat, and the image does look a bit dull, but that's because my monitor has a very dark gamma |
| [03:16:00] | Rudd-O: | I have confirmed using the playback controls that I am getting almost the full black and white range |
| [03:16:20] | Rudd-O: | but on very dark movie passages, I still see a lack of depth in black range |
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| [03:17:25] | inahole: | anyone home? |
| [03:17:44] | Rudd-O: | I guess not |
| [03:17:54] | inahole: | lol apparently |
| [03:18:12] | inahole: | I just wanted to know what I'd need for a frontend system |
| [03:18:39] | inahole: | the system specs |
| [03:18:51] | thoraxe: | sweet, myth is working |
| [03:18:59] | thoraxe: | now i just need to hook up a video source lol |
| [03:19:03] | inahole: | lol cool |
| [03:19:13] | thoraxe: | and then figure out how to get my hauppauge remote working, then try to use the hauppauge ir emitter |
| [03:19:20] | inahole: | here's my deal |
| [03:19:29] | thoraxe: | 9t |
| [03:19:34] | inahole: | The computer I'm using has a 1 ghz processor |
| [03:19:40] | inahole: | and has 512 mb of ram |
| [03:20:06] | inahole: | I was thinking about getting a good capture card and use this as the backend |
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| [03:20:32] | inahole: | I'm going to get a new computer with better specs, but I was wanting to know what I'd need for a frontend |
| [03:20:50] | tcpsyn: | gonna do HD? |
| [03:20:54] | inahole: | nah |
| [03:20:58] | inahole: | SD |
| [03:21:02] | tcpsyn: | then you need almost nothing for a frontend. |
| [03:21:07] | tcpsyn: | an xbox will do it. |
| [03:21:10] | inahole: | haha |
| [03:21:12] | tcpsyn: | I think thats only 550mhz |
| [03:21:14] | tcpsyn: | I'm serious. |
| [03:21:21] | inahole: | ok cool |
| [03:21:34] | inahole: | I have 2 servers |
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| [03:22:21] | inahole: | one's a pII 450, I think, with 128 MB of ram runnin 2k3 server. The other is an athlon 700 with 64 mb of ram runnin fbsd |
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| [03:22:47] | inahole: | there's this computer which I was going to use as a backend server, and my new computer. I'm running out of computers lol |
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| [03:23:34] | inahole: | however, knowing that I won't need a big frontend helps |
| [03:24:39] | Rudd-O: | so well, what's the answer to my luma question' |
| [03:25:37] | inahole: | so is it possible I could run my frontend on a new computer running under vmware or something? |
| [03:26:25] | inahole: | I could have XP or Vista as the base install, then install some linux or bsd distro under vmware. |
| [03:28:25] | inahole: | mythtv looks cool. I seriously want to try it |
| [03:29:10] | tcpsyn: | does the TVOutStandard only apply to a certain output? |
| [03:29:29] | inahole: | no idea |
| [03:29:31] | keith4_: | yes |
| [03:29:44] | keith4_: | I believe that only applies to standard def |
| [03:29:57] | keith4_: | TVOutStandard options are, what.... ntsc or pal? |
| [03:30:03] | keith4_: | that's for svideo |
| [03:30:07] | inahole: | when's the mandatory HD date? |
| [03:30:41] | inahole: | i think the FCC set a date that everybody had to move to HD by |
| [03:30:46] | keith4_: | yes |
| [03:30:48] | keith4_: | they did |
| [03:30:52] | keith4_: | and then they pushed it back, iirc |
| [03:31:02] | inahole: | ok, so what's the new date? |
| [03:31:07] | tcpsyn: | keith ah. So I don't need that for VGA |
| [03:31:25] | tcpsyn: | I can do HD over VGA without the TvOut stuff. |
| [03:31:30] | tcpsyn: | wonder if that's why it's not working. |
| [03:31:30] | tcpsyn: | heh |
| [03:31:55] | inahole: | the point being I don't want to get a non-HD capture card and what nots only to find out I can't get shit for use out of it because everything's HD |
| [03:33:26] | keith4_: | inahole: if I understand correctly, the fcc only mandates HD for broadcast |
| [03:33:36] | keith4_: | that won't affect cable companies, or satellite |
| [03:34:37] | inahole: | ok, if I stick with cable then I'm going to be alright? |
| [03:35:16] | ** keith4_ shrugs ** | |
| [03:35:28] | keith4_: | see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_ . . . nited_States |
| [03:37:15] | Kernel: | hello all ive got a dvd with subtitles and i want to turn them off....does anyone know how i can do this? |
| [03:38:25] | inahole: | fuck that was confusing |
| [03:39:34] | keith4_: | Kernel, what does that have to do with mythtv? |
| [03:40:05] | Kernel: | keith4: im using the mythdvd plugin |
| [03:40:19] | Kernel: | figured it was part of mythtv |
| [03:41:20] | keith4_: | ah, that's important information |
| [03:42:03] | keith4_: | Kernel, doesn't that use mplayer? |
| [03:42:12] | Kernel: | i *think* its using mplayer to play videos? |
| [03:42:16] | Kernel: | i think so. |
| [03:43:27] | Kernel: | so...i need to find out how to shut off sub titles in mplayer? and if i want to add a subtitle button to my remotes config should i add under myth or mplayer? |
| [03:43:49] | keith4_: | i've never used mythdvd... so, verify that it is using mplayer |
| [03:44:01] | keith4_: | and then you need to worry about mplayer's controls |
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| [03:44:51] | Kernel: | yea it is using mplayer |
| [03:44:57] | keith4_: | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html |
| [03:46:05] | Kernel: | hmm i cant find a shortcut or key to hit that wil shut off subtitles on that page |
| [03:48:00] | clever: | i think its B |
| [03:48:01] | keith4_: | maybe mythdvd is feeding mplayer a command line option to show subs? |
| [03:48:07] | keith4_: | check the config for mythdvd |
| [03:48:12] | clever: | its near the B key i beleive |
| [03:48:31] | Kernel: | clever: hmm ok let me check it out thanks |
| [03:48:33] | keith4_: | heh |
| [03:48:36] | keith4_: | just bang on the keyboard |
| [03:48:39] | keith4_: | near B |
| [03:48:46] | clever: | but that wont go on the cmd line to keep it off by default |
| [03:49:04] | clever: | i think n changes the subtitle track and b enables/disables it |
| [03:49:12] | clever: | by default my mplayer doesnt show any subtitles |
| [03:49:23] | Kernel: | hmm ok |
| [03:49:35] | clever: | -sid or -slang would enable them |
| [03:49:59] | clever: | -sid 1 would use the 1st subtitle track |
| [03:50:01] | Kernel: | its j |
| [03:50:04] | Kernel: | while in mplayer |
| [03:50:07] | clever: | -sland eng would allways use the english track |
| [03:50:11] | clever: | ahh:) |
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| [03:50:35] | clever: | one way to find keys is to just hit every key 1 by 1:P till you get what you want |
| [03:50:58] | clever: | aslong as theres no crazy delete without asking buttons youll be fine:P |
| [03:51:02] | inahole: | this is doin my head in |
| [03:51:54] | ** clever returns to the couch ** | |
| [03:53:47] | inahole: | I'm gonna go smoke a doob and then read this over again |
| [03:54:59] | tcpsyn: | I got the VGA to work. |
| [03:55:14] | tcpsyn: | But it looks like my TV only supports 1280x768 on the vga port. |
| [03:55:28] | tcpsyn: | I'll have to go HDMI to get more than that. |
| [03:56:26] | jedix: | hrm |
| [03:56:26] | jedix: | odd |
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| [03:56:42] | jedix: | mythtv video is scanning the local directories and not using the directories ont eh backend |
| [03:56:59] | Anduin: | jedix: That is how it works. |
| [03:57:04] | Dagmar: | Not odd. Normal. |
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| [03:57:16] | jedix: | can it watch on the remote end? |
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| [03:57:28] | Dagmar: | How long can you stretch your eyeballs? |
| [03:57:31] | Anduin: | jedix: You need to nfs. cifs, etc |
| [03:57:43] | jedix: | that's a pita |
| [03:57:44] | jedix: | okay |
| [03:57:46] | jedix: | thanks guys |
| [03:57:53] | jedix: | not up to doing that tonight |
| [04:00:23] | keith4_: | jedix: it always does that |
| [04:00:44] | keith4_: | ah, guess i should read the whole buffer before answering |
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| [04:01:35] | jedix: | hehe |
| [04:01:40] | jedix: | thanks though |
| [04:03:28] | jedix: | what is /var/log/mysql used for? |
| [04:03:30] | jedix: | it's 1.8GB |
| [04:04:04] | Dr_willis: | log files. :) |
| [04:04:06] | inahole: | mysql logs most likely |
| [04:04:10] | Dagmar: | Were you dropped on your head much as a child? |
| [04:04:26] | jedix: | no, although I did enjoy lead paint |
| [04:04:32] | Dagmar: | AH. Okay |
| [04:04:47] | jedix: | they are mysql-bin |
| [04:04:52] | jedix: | which is why I asked |
| [04:04:53] | jedix: | and large |
| [04:05:15] | Dagmar: | Look for something with "bin-log" in it in /etc/my.cnf and take it out |
| [04:05:31] | keith4_: | ah, I see Dagmar got out of bed on the cheerful side again today |
| [04:05:37] | Dagmar: | There's a pretty obvious option in there |
| [04:06:14] | inahole: | I'm a fuckin genius |
| [04:07:06] | inahole: | didn't have enough smoke for a doob, and didn't have a screen for my pipe. So, I made one out of tin-foil |
| [04:07:18] | inahole: | a screen that is |
| [04:08:36] | Dagmar: | A *genius* would have built a vaporizer out of a soldering pencil, a baby food jar, and a ziplock bag. |
| [04:09:12] | inahole: | lol and a paperclip |
| [04:09:14] | Dr_willis: | dont forget the macarooni noodles |
| [04:09:49] | inahole: | i don't have any of the above, with the exception of a zip-lock |
| [04:10:28] | Dagmar: | Hm... you can work around the lack of a baby-food jar, but the heat element is kinda non-optional |
| [04:10:35] | inahole: | yeah |
| [04:10:41] | inahole: | i see your idea though |
| [04:10:47] | Dagmar: | hegh |
| [04:11:03] | inahole: | weed/soldering pencil in the jar |
| [04:11:17] | inahole: | with smoke collecting in the zip-lock |
| [04:11:46] | Dagmar: | It is, of course, rather important to clean the heck out of the pencil tip first. ;) |
| [04:12:11] | inahole: | hahahaha, but you never know, the solder might get you fucked |
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| [04:12:22] | inahole: | i've never smoked it, but of course, that's how ppl figured out weed got you high |
| [04:12:41] | inahole: | they just randomly picked plants to smoke |
| [04:13:44] | Aval0n: | when you turn your TV on, what shows up? the last chan you were on, or myth main menu? |
| [04:14:07] | inahole: | i don't know much about it, but I'd say it would depend |
| [04:14:26] | inahole: | if you were on the menu when you turned the tv off, you'd be on the menu when you turned it on |
| [04:14:48] | inahole: | likewise, if you were watching a channel when you turned the tv off, you'd be on the channel when you turned it on. |
| [04:16:31] | inahole: | mythtv would be completely independent of the tv |
| [04:17:59] | inahole: | I bought a new case for my computer tonight |
| [04:18:25] | inahole: | I don't know what the deal was |
| [04:18:33] | inahole: | fucker just wouldn't work inside the case |
| [04:18:52] | inahole: | pulled out the mobo and everything and it works without the case, but inside it, it just won't work. |
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| [04:19:16] | inahole: | probably shorting out |
| [04:19:33] | inahole: | anyway, so I have my gear on the floor |
| [04:19:43] | inahole: | it works though |
| [04:19:49] | inahole: | I mean, I'm talkin here |
| [04:20:01] | inahole: | that's the computer i'm using presently |
| [04:20:03] | inahole: | lol so I don't know |
| [04:20:26] | inahole: | it was a shitty ass case anyway, I'm glad I'm rid of it |
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| [04:20:44] | simcop2387-tv: | yay! its recording high def now over my parents tv and firewire! won't change channels yet (and this computer is just barely powerful enough to playback with xvmc) and i need to figure out the proper way to handle the PAT table so that the correct PID is picked but its working otherwise |
| [04:21:52] | inahole: | well, glad you got it working |
| [04:22:23] | inahole: | I need to buy some wood |
| [04:22:39] | inahole: | build me a server cabinet |
| [04:23:33] | simcop2387-tv: | yea its not too far away from being worthy of sending in a patch i think, once i get the pat problem fixed (i hacked it to force it to the correct PID) and get it to change channels its perfectly ready |
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| [04:27:23] | inahole: | bad |
| [04:28:28] | simcop2387-tv: | yea i know i just wanted to figure out what else needed to be done to get it working, its so far only 3 lines to get it going :) |
| [04:28:46] | simcop2387-tv: | well i'm off to bed night all |
| [04:34:25] | inahole: | cool |
| [04:34:26] | inahole: | night |
| [04:37:49] | tcpsyn: | Are there different HDMI cables? |
| [04:38:00] | tcpsyn: | As long as it's male to male, does it matter? |
| [04:39:47] | simcop2387: | tcpsyn: pretty much i believe |
| [04:40:43] | tcpsyn: | cool. |
| [04:40:44] | tcpsyn: | thanks. |
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| [04:51:44] | Aval0n: | guys would this be a good setup for 2 rooms? 3.0ghz p4, 1gb DDR PC3200, 120Gb, Kworld 115, x2 pvr 150's and a mediamvp for the 2nd frontend |
| [04:56:12] | k-man: | is there a way to speed up the recordings list in mythweb? i have lots of recordings and it takes ages to show because, I think, its generating previewies of them all |
| [04:59:54] | hatredx: | Aval0n, overkill |
| [05:01:07] | Aval0n: | overkill? |
| [05:01:18] | Aval0n: | why? |
| [05:08:16] | tcpsyn: | anyone using the pchdtv-5500 card? |
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| [05:19:36] | tank-man: | what is Kworld 115? |
| [05:42:49] | juski: | what is Google? |
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| [06:02:14] | varun0: | on a 720p TV, will a native 720p source look better than a 1080p source downscaled? |
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| [06:21:50] | Cromn: | hey all, i still can't get mythtv-setup to work, i;ve re-emerged it but still all i get is Segmention Fault, help anyone? |
| [06:28:11] | Tanthrix: | varun0: Possibly, but I doubt it, as long as something decent is doing the scaling. Now 1080i downscaled to 720p is a different matter |
| [06:28:39] | varun0: | Tanthrix: it's my samsung DLP, I've tried in vain to find anything about the quality of the scaler in it |
| [06:29:10] | Tanthrix: | varun0: Why are you so interested – trying to decide what resolution to run at or something? |
| [06:30:07] | varun0: | Tanthrix: well, 2 reasons. One, I have a <cough>backup</cough> of an HD movie in 1080p, but I'm wondering if a 720p version will look better. Two, plain ol' curiosity :-) |
| [06:30:58] | Tanthrix: | varun0: Ahh, I see. Well, I think it would be *highly* unlikely that you could tell the difference. |
| [06:31:24] | varun0: | varun0: are scaling algorithms highly proprietary, do you know? |
| [06:33:13] | varun0: | er I mean Tanthrix |
| [06:33:13] | Tanthrix: | varun0: Assuming that was directed to me, I kind of doubt it. Scaling isn't exactly an uber complex thing to do. But, for any TV, you're usually completely clueless about what chip it uses to do its scaling / deinterlacing / etc.., let alone specifically what it's doing. In the case of your setup your TV isn't scaling anything assuming you're outputting at the same res, so that would be something in whatever codec you're using |
| [06:33:36] | varun0: | hm I see |
| [06:33:52] | Tanthrix: | Deinterlacing is the big can of worms. |
| [06:34:34] | varun0: | yea so I've heard. I was trying to play around with xine to get my DVDs deinterlaced in the best way |
| [06:34:57] | Cromn: | anyone know what the mesage 'Segmention Fault' means? |
| [06:35:24] | Tanthrix: | varun0: They're all rubbish unfortunately. My TV's deinterlacer kicks the pants off of every single deinterlacer xine, mplayer, and myth's internal player are capable of using |
| [06:35:53] | varun0: | Tanthrix: is it because of hardware vs software? Or just that TV companies have more money than FOSS projects |
| [06:36:14] | Tanthrix: | Cromn: Essentially it means your program is referencing memory it shouldn't be. Many things can cause it though – it's more of a general crash error |
| [06:36:20] | varun0: | Cromn: segfaults in themselves just mean invalid memory access (I think). Have you tried searching google? |
| [06:36:46] | inahole: | log the installation |
| [06:36:51] | Tanthrix: | varun0: Probably both. From what I gather though there are no good software deinterlacers short of maybe one or two very expensive commercial ones. |
| [06:37:01] | varun0: | interesting |
| [06:37:20] | Cromn: | varun0: yes i couldn't find anything helpfull |
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| [06:37:35] | varun0: | Cromn: do you have some sort of special setup? Some weird drivers or triple monitors or something? |
| [06:37:36] | inahole: | you have to find out where it's seg faulting |
| [06:38:49] | Cromn: | varun0: how do i find that out? is the a way to run mythtv-setup in verbose mode? |
| [06:39:04] | Tanthrix: | Try --verbose all > file.txt |
| [06:39:14] | varun0: | Cromn: that would be a good place to start |
| [06:39:25] | inahole: | what i was saying |
| [06:39:40] | Tanthrix: | varun0: I've got a good page that compares mplayer deinterlacing methods, let me find it for you |
| [06:39:48] | varun0: | Tanthrix: that would be awesome |
| [06:39:56] | varun0: | inahole: but you never said how :-) |
| [06:39:59] | inahole: | find the end of the log and see where it tanked |
| [06:40:20] | varun0: | Tanthrix: though for some reason, DVDs look better with xine than with mplayer |
| [06:40:33] | inahole: | lol. yeah. I forgot how myself |
| [06:40:56] | inahole: | I've done it a few times. Just couldn't remember how lol |
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| [06:41:11] | varun0: | :) happens to the best of us |
| [06:41:27] | Cromn: | no, that didn't output anything different |
| [06:41:34] | inahole: | yeah. Anyway, after he searches the log he can figure out where it tanked and find the code it tanked on. |
| [06:41:52] | varun0: | Cromn: look in the file.txt |
| [06:42:12] | Tanthrix: | varun0: http://guru.multimedia.cx/deinterlacing-filters/ |
| [06:42:18] | Cromn: | i did |
| [06:42:25] | Cromn: | it's empty |
| [06:43:34] | inahole: | i've got to go to bed |
| [06:43:36] | inahole: | peace |
| [06:44:12] | varun0: | sleep well |
| [06:44:37] | varun0: | Tanthrix: I'll check that out for sure. Bed time for me now, too. Thanks a lot! |
| [06:44:52] | Tanthrix: | varun0: I tried all of those and some xine ones on the opening credits of Star Trek The Next Generation Season 1, specifically looking at the starts and the nacalles on the ship (which have a bunch of horizontal lines.) The only deinterlacer that made it look perfect without crazy flickering or polarization was my TV |
| [06:45:05] | Tanthrix: | stars* |
| [06:45:08] | varun0: | Tanthrix: yea I don't doubt it |
| [06:45:44] | Tanthrix: | Sleep well, and dream of better software deinterlacing methods |
| [06:46:00] | varun0: | Tanthrix: I don't think my 5086 does it, though |
| [06:46:03] | varun0: | is that your blog? |
| [06:46:09] | Tanthrix: | No, some site I found |
| [06:46:30] | Tanthrix: | And your TV must in some way if it supports 1080i/480i, which it must |
| [06:46:54] | Tanthrix: | Always depends on the set though – some are far worse than what mplayer has access to |
| [06:47:00] | varun0: | Tanthrix: hm....maybe some digging is in order |
| [06:47:12] | varun0: | thanks again! |
| [06:47:15] | Tanthrix: | NP. |
| [06:54:04] | Cromn: | does it mater if i don't have a tv capture card? i was just planing on using myth tv for streaming video so i didn't bother getting a caputer card or installing xmltv could that be causing problems? |
| [06:54:21] | juski: | planing? that'd get mythtv nice & smooth! |
| [06:55:04] | Cromn: | huh? |
| [06:55:18] | juski: | planing – the act of using a wood plane |
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| [06:55:43] | Cromn: | stfu i know my english sucks |
| [06:55:56] | juski: | and FYI mythtv doesn't stream video – it only streams TV (live & recorded TV) |
| [06:56:13] | juski: | and yet you tell me to STFU. charming asshole |
| [06:56:55] | Tanthrix: | Speaking of wood, I need to get my scroll saw up on craigslist. Thanks for the reminder juski! |
| [06:57:47] | juski: | heh |
| [06:58:27] | Cromn: | lol, well can mythtv open a network stream of play lets say divx files from my hard disk? |
| [06:58:44] | Cromn: | or* play |
| [06:59:22] | Tanthrix: | If by network stream you mean mounted network share, then yes, via the mythvideo plugin. |
| [07:01:34] | Cromn: | ok, but would lacking regular television input cause mythtv to not start? |
| [07:04:13] | Tanthrix: | No, not at all. |
| [07:05:35] | juski: | Cromn: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . _possible.3F |
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| [07:07:36] | Cromn: | thanx, but ironically i was hoping that was the problem cause now it still dosen't work and i'm out of ideas |
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| [07:09:59] | juski: | how are you trying to start mythtv? not with the 'mythtv' command I hope. the 'mythtv' command starts mythtv's frontend in tv mode already. what you really need to do is just bring up the frontend – and you do that with the *mythfrontend* command |
| [07:10:31] | Tanthrix: | He's getting a segfault upon starting mythtv-setup |
| [07:10:39] | juski: | ouch |
| [07:11:08] | sion_: | I have a question regarding my hauppauge pvr 150 on linux, it works (using ivtv and streaming it to mplayer), before I install mythtv I would like to know how to switch to composite in channel on the card |
| [07:11:32] | juski: | sion_: just for testing? the ivtvctl (or v4l2ctl) command is what you want |
| [07:12:08] | sion_: | juski, do you know the parameters ? mythtv will only make sense to install if composite works (digital tv decoder is my real tuner) |
| [07:12:11] | Cromn: | mythvt-setup is what i'm trying to run and i get the seg fault, but i also tryed mythfrontend and i also get the seg fault |
| [07:13:35] | juski: | sion_: ivtvctl -a $inputnum where $inputnum is a number from 0 to 5 IIRC. ivtvctl (or v4l2ctl) -n will show you which inputs are associated with each number |
| [07:14:00] | juski: | 0 is generally the tuner, and I think 1 is the 1st composite input |
| [07:14:37] | juski: | so you'd likely use ivtvctl -a 1 (or v4l2ctl -a 1). Maybe the v4l2ctl syntax is different, I've never used it |
| [07:14:42] | sion_: | juski, excellent, will try that after coffee, I have been pulling my hair out over this one.. worst is ivtv does not work with tvtime, because I would not use all the channel stuff in mythtv (decoder thing) |
| [07:15:05] | juski: | either way, using the command without any arguments will give you text describing the parameters |
| [07:15:44] | sion_: | juski, will check, thanks a lot, I was not aware of that command, tried ivtv-tune and could change to all BUT composite in (which must be done by tuner in kernel I guess) |
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| [07:16:15] | juski: | sion_: the info is also listed over at www.ivtvdriver.org |
| [07:16:38] | sion_: | juski, will look there again, been a few hours on that site yesterday ;-) |
| [07:16:53] | juski: | sion_: related question – do you have a means of allowing mythtv to change channels on the digital TV box? you're sunk without one, really |
| [07:17:30] | juski: | Cromn: getting segfaults when you run those commands is bad news. are you running them from a terminal within an X session? |
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| [07:18:05] | Cromn: | juski: no |
| [07:18:16] | sion_: | juski, thats the issue, I don't, so I would set mythtv to external input and use my remote for the digital cable box to select channels.. not ideal, but other programs dont seem to handle a mpg stream (used tvtime in the past on another card) |
| [07:18:24] | juski: | Cromn: just from ssh or something? mythtv-setup needs an X server, as does mythfrontend |
| [07:18:49] | juski: | sion_: it's gonna make life very difficult for you, is all |
| [07:19:03] | Cromn: | i was just trying it fron the consol |
| [07:19:13] | sion_: | juski, which is sad, but if it handles the stream better then mplayer does, I am happy |
| [07:19:18] | Cromn: | i'll try it from within kde? |
| [07:19:19] | juski: | Cromn: you really need to run it from X |
| [07:19:30] | juski: | kde runs within X, so yes |
| [07:19:39] | juski: | within/on top of.. |
| [07:20:40] | juski: | also sion_ just FYI, mythtv is impotent without EPG data. You'll be limited to recording one hour chunks of time in livetv, or else be restricted to scheduling manual recordings |
| [07:20:41] | Cromn: | no, i still get the seg fault |
| [07:21:23] | juski: | Cromn: it must be doing stuff before the segfault. gather up all the text output up to & including the segfault message & pop it into a pastebin |
| [07:22:21] | Cromn: | it's not outputing anything but the seg fault msg |
| [07:22:55] | juski: | Cromn: then you've got something more wrong than anybody else I've ever seen in this channel – and that's saying a lot |
| [07:23:37] | Cromn: | lol, well i like to bring a challenge |
| [07:23:54] | juski: | Cromn: FWIW, if I were you I'd think about not using mythtv. mythtv is great for TV stuff and all the other things it does but without TV, it's way too complicated for just being a media player |
| [07:24:17] | sion_: | juski, thats good to know... I could most likely stream longer sending output of /dev/video0 to a mpg file.. hmz.. I wonder if mythtv is the right solution for my crippled setup here.. |
| [07:24:34] | Cromn: | yeah i agree with u at this point, i dont need the ui anyway |
| [07:24:53] | sion_: | juski, next time I should probably buy a nvtv card with a card reader to do digital |
| [07:25:24] | juski: | Cromn: if all you want to do is serve clients with media content, there are better ways. If all you want to do is play files from a share somewhere, look at geexbox |
| [07:25:57] | juski: | sion_: not in linux you wouldn't. no nvtv card drivers for linux whatsoever |
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| [07:26:02] | Cromn: | i'll do that thanx |
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| [07:26:43] | juski: | geexbox still has a GUI, but none of the setup complications of mythtv |
| [07:26:44] | sion_: | juski, ah ok, seems my ivtvctl does not know a -a, version 0.10.3 |
| [07:26:59] | juski: | sion_: better RTFM at ivtvdriver.org then :) |
| [07:27:13] | sion_: | juski, yup :) better make coffee first :) |
| [07:27:20] | juski: | or maybe that version of ivtv needs you to use v4l2ctl |
| [07:27:29] | juski: | either way, time to chow down on the manual :-p |
| [07:29:09] | sion_: | juski, may need to change kernel too if it depends on v4l2-ctl |
| [07:31:18] | sion_: | juski, "In the newer releases of ivtv (>=ivtv-0.8) most these options have been moved to v4l2-ctl. The syntax should be almost the same" you had it right |
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| [07:38:34] | sion_: | juski, excellent, it works, thanks a lot ! |
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| [08:23:45] | rhollan: | So, I am playing back 1080i on a nanoITCX mythbox with 512MB RAM, and it fails to allocate an XvMC surface when xine is started from within Myth. if Myth (menus) aren't running it displays fine. I upgraded RAM to 1.0 GB but this didn't help. Any ideas? |
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| [08:26:21] | rhollan: | This looks like the problem with mythtv-0.19-fixes but I am running 0.20-fixes. |
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| [08:36:30] | rhollan: | anyone here familiar with the XvMC problem with Myth at 1080i? |
| [08:36:48] | rhollan: | I can play 1080i with xine directly but not from myth 0.20-fixes |
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| [08:43:23] | Honk: | maybe you're running out of videoram :P |
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| [08:48:12] | rhollan: | Honk: Well the max VGA block is 64M, but I think it has something to do with the number of XvMC surfaces myth is allocating... at least that was the problem with 0.19-fixes. I was wondering if 0.20-fixes fixed it |
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| [08:52:09] | juski: | xvmc is bad. I have nothing but bother with it on my crappy epia frontend |
| [08:52:49] | slaine_: | Does it work well on nVidia's ? |
| [08:53:18] | slaine_: | I've currently got a crappy epia and had been hoping to replace it with an nvidia based unit |
| [08:54:08] | juski: | I'd just chuck CPU grunt at it in future tbh |
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| [08:54:25] | juski: | there's no substitute for CPU power |
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| [09:02:17] | rooaus: | Someone posted this on the mailing list, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3112089. Might be helpful for those that purchased a Nova-TD 500 recently. |
| [09:03:24] | juski: | yeh I almost bought one of them. would've been a BIG mistake |
| [09:04:07] | juski: | I think ebay might be my best bet for one – if I get to see a pic of the real thing |
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| [09:05:54] | rooaus: | juski: Ah, so you didn't buy it in the end, lucky. I had a similar problem with a DVICO card, they changed the frontend and didn't tell anyone :/ I ended up going to the distributor and going through there parts bin for an old MT352 based card. |
| [09:06:07] | SiD3WiNDR: | heh |
| [09:06:12] | SiD3WiNDR: | that's still nice if you got one ;) |
| [09:07:07] | rhollan: | juski: why upset with XvMC? works fine on my nanoITX |
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| [09:07:47] | rooaus: | Yeah, the new frontends are supported now. The frustrating thing was I had two "identical" cards that were working a treat, oh well. |
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| [09:10:39] | juski: | rhollan: I use minimyth & I find that versions later than 0.20–19 just can't play back SDTV without gaps. I wouldn't care but CPU usage is about half in newer versions yet they still can't play without issues |
| [09:11:17] | juski: | I've spent *days* trying to narrow the problem down but I still keep having to revert to the version I use now |
| [09:12:14] | juski: | I'd experiment with building it myself but that is a very long arduous process. takes > 18 hours to build the whole distro on my fastest linux machine |
| [09:14:25] | rhollan: | juski: I can render 1080i without problems on a 1.3 GHz nanoITX |
| [09:14:31] | otwin: | hmm, i'm running svn r14008 on minimyth without these problems. building time for minimyth now got even longer thanks to mythbrowser dependencies – but you can disable it. |
| [09:15:50] | rooaus: | Danielk has posted on the mailing list that mythtv-vid needs testing... I feel a "svn merge" coming soon :) |
| [09:16:16] | rhollan: | Oh, BTW juski: I finally got my Myth box put together based on the nanoITX. 1/2 TB of included media goodness. All my CDs and DVDs ripped to it, and an 802.11preN USB dongle for networking |
| [09:16:18] | juski: | rhollan: I can render SDTV without problems on my m10k so long as I don't use a newer version. cpu usage is about 50% (as opposed to 25% or so) during playback but at least it copes |
| [09:16:33] | rhollan: | wierd. I am running 0.20-fixes |
| [09:16:38] | rhollan: | works fine |
| [09:16:54] | juski: | this is 0.20-fixes too, but minimyth uses what I'd call bleeding edge drivers |
| [09:17:38] | juski: | and neither the current version I've got or the newer ones can play SDTV without xvmc |
| [09:17:54] | juski: | a 1ghz CPU should cope with that pretty easily IMHO |
| [09:18:03] | juski: | even if it is a crippled C3 |
| [09:18:37] | rhollan: | juski: I can play SDTV without xvmc, but need it for 1080i. Haven't found any 1080p samples I can try |
| [09:18:50] | rhollan: | I actually wanted to use a fanless 800MHz version |
| [09:18:53] | juski: | the only thing I've not yet tried is using my own xorg.conf file, but then I can't see what difference it'd make |
| [09:19:25] | otwin: | juski: are that pvr-x50 recordings? |
| [09:19:56] | juski: | if I could get away with spriting the box away to this room for any length of time I'd be working on making my own diskless install |
| [09:20:06] | juski: | otwin: pvr-150 & dvb-t |
| [09:20:19] | juski: | it's only the dvb-t recordings on BBC channels that give me hassle |
| [09:20:56] | juski: | disabling deinterlacing cures the problem & I'm not the only one to suspect the problem is caused by mythtv's video timing code |
| [09:21:43] | juski: | with the CPU usage being so low, there's not much else it can be IMHO |
| [09:22:08] | juski: | and otwin minimyth includes mythbrowser now? oh god |
| [09:22:39] | otwin: | juski: yes and that means kde libs... |
| [09:22:40] | juski: | I noticed pablo had included mythgame a while ago. it's not gonna be 'mini' much longer I fear ;) |
| [09:23:11] | otwin: | sometimes he's too nice – can't say no :-) |
| [09:24:06] | juski: | ubuntu works ok apart from occasionally messing up the audio config. I like having pcm routed to the spdif output so I can use my amp if I want to. sometimes when ubuntu boots that doesn't work – for no apparent reason :-\ |
| [09:24:31] | otwin: | i wonder if my external laptop style psu would handle any d(r)ecent motherboard and cpu |
| [09:25:05] | juski: | I've yet to try a diskless knoppmyth install or something – maybe that's a quicker way to nix the problem |
| [09:25:26] | otwin: | and if I could cool it silently with a slim cooler that fits my hiper media case |
| [09:26:02] | juski: | otwin: I've considered one of those cases. would it be easy to mod it to make an IR window at the front? |
| [09:26:03] | rhollan: | hey, can I route audio to SPDIF output AND analog outputs? Sometimes I don't want to power up the amp and just use the Gateway speakerbar (/me is an ALSA noob) |
| [09:26:27] | juski: | rhollan: by default, all PCM should go to spdif, if the spdif output is enabled |
| [09:27:02] | juski: | in alsamixer there's what looks like a spdif volume control which is in fact a source selector. 0 usually routes pcm to spdif |
| [09:27:30] | otwin: | juski: my ir receiver is at the back and it works without problems – to mod the front, i am not sure – would have to check when i get home |
| [09:28:23] | juski: | otwin: been looking for a nice case with provision for an IR window at the front, without nasty audio/usb connections on the front panel. so far no dice. so much so I've started designing my own box |
| [09:30:32] | otwin: | juski: the problem with the case is the psu – it's too noisy, so I had to get an external one – and with that it's getting as expensive as other solutions |
| [09:30:48] | rhollan: | juski: so I can't have SPDIF AND analog output |
| [09:30:49] | rhollan: | ? |
| [09:30:51] | rhollan: | bummer |
| [09:30:55] | juski: | rhollan: no you can |
| [09:31:22] | otwin: | juski: it doesn't have an IR window, that's for sure. |
| [09:31:25] | rhollan: | juski: I needed some /etc/asound.conf voodoo to get audio to SPDIF |
| [09:31:45] | juski: | rhollan: nah. no need for such extreme measures in my experience |
| [09:32:07] | rhollan: | and that turned off analog audio output, though I'd be sure there'd be a way to enable both. |
| [09:32:29] | rhollan: | juski: well Ubuntu 7.04 + myth had the SPDIF enable give me lock but no audio |
| [09:32:54] | juski: | rhollan: play with alsamixer. there's what looks like a volume control for spdif. |
| [09:32:57] | rhollan: | it's not a biggie, just sometimes I don't want to turn on the big speakers |
| [09:33:06] | rhollan: | juski: didn't help. |
| [09:33:24] | rhollan: | I guess I have too severe an asound.conf that JUST enables SPDIF output |
| [09:33:26] | juski: | I got it to work in edgy, but it wouldn't work all the time |
| [09:34:14] | rhollan: | heh, I figured after spending DAYS ripping all my content, a backup would be a good idea, so Igot an external USB drive today and th mythbox is backing up content as I write |
| [09:34:18] | rhollan: | gonna take a while |
| [09:34:19] | juski: | the other thing against using ubuntu on my frontend is that after POST, I get nothing on the TV out until X starts |
| [09:35:04] | juski: | where the hell are all the instant-on boxes?! |
| [09:35:27] | rhollan: | juski: my monitor is currently a 24" 1920x1200 Gateway widescreen LCD |
| [09:35:35] | rhollan: | sol I get all POST goodness |
| [09:35:44] | rhollan: | (or badness, depending on asthetics) |
| [09:36:16] | juski: | now, if there was a upnp media player whose UI didn't *suck* ... |
| [09:36:48] | rhollan: | anyone here use MythPhone? |
| [09:37:01] | rhollan: | just wondering |
| [09:37:11] | juski: | there's another thing minimyth has had carted into it IIRC |
| [09:37:50] | rhollan: | I tried minimyth and decided that I wanted a box with content I could cart around, so went with Ubuntu + full Myth |
| [09:39:13] | juski: | another gripe about ubuntu was that it's just too slow to boot up, even after removing useless services |
| [09:39:42] | juski: | I've had my s100 box boot slack, to mythtv menus in < 20 secs |
| [09:39:57] | juski: | maybe that's the way I need to go |
| [09:40:03] | rhollan: | yeah, it takes me about a minute |
| [09:41:07] | juski: | somebody should make a series of motherboards with fast flash memory to store the OS. 1GB of fast flash is quite cheap now |
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| [09:42:31] | juski: | though I'm sure that the storage latency isn't the reason for boot processes being so slow |
| [09:43:16] | juski: | otwin: do you use ram minimyth or nfs ? |
| [09:46:51] | juski: | since I'm running nfs anyway I might give the nfs root version a go |
| [09:49:27] | juski: | I need to get to the bottom of the playback problem if only for my own peace of mind |
| [09:50:01] | juski: | might be something I'm doing wrong – I mean I can't be the only person using it to play back dvb-t from BBC channels |
| [09:50:11] | rhollan: | I was torn to make a diskles front end or not, and decided that I wanted a convenient box I could move with content, though I suppose I could have just used an external USB drive, too (like I am using for backup) and boot the thing from flash. |
| [09:50:32] | juski: | probably something so obvious I've deliberately overlooked it (like the xorg.conf) |
| [09:52:16] | BCMM: | how do you do an unscheduled recording? |
| [09:52:35] | BCMM: | i mean is there a way to tell it to just record this channel, now, till i tell it to stop recording it, while i watch it? |
| [09:53:19] | BCMM: | i'm trying to digitise VHS tapes through my capture card, and they don't exactly have scheduled showing times |
| [09:58:43] | ** sion_ watches some crappy TV just gratefull it works so well now ** | |
| [09:59:26] | otwin: | juski: ram minimyth |
| [10:06:48] | BCMM: | how do you rename a channel? |
| [10:09:06] | Tanthrix: | BCMM: You might just want to do cat /dev/whatever > file.mpg if all you're doing is digitizing tapes |
| [10:09:19] | Tanthrix: | Then ctrl-c out of it when you're done |
| [10:10:27] | Tanthrix: | Be careful though – if you plan on archiving them to dvds you might need to do some other things. IIRC the mpeg2 stream straight from a pvr card isn't completely dvd spec |
| [10:20:43] | BCMM: | Tanthrix: thats a point actually |
| [10:21:10] | BCMM: | (but you didn't know i had an MPEG-2 encoder capture device) |
| [10:21:44] | BCMM: | Tanthrix i've seen it suggested that some Hauppage cards output DVD-spec MPEG-2 |
| [10:21:49] | BCMM: | dunno if mind eos |
| [10:22:08] | BCMM: | but TBH i don't actually know how to setup a dvd... |
| [10:22:17] | BCMM: | i mean the folder structure and all that |
| [10:22:41] | BCMM: | and i htink most tools just assume you'll want to transcode, cause they're really designed for burning pirate AVIs |
| [10:23:08] | BCMM: | from what i've seen, MythArchive looks easy |
| [10:23:16] | BCMM: | hmm |
| [10:23:30] | BCMM: | actually mytharchive lets you open arbitrary files doesn't it? |
| [10:24:05] | BCMM: | ah but |
| [10:24:10] | BCMM: | if i just cat it to a file |
| [10:24:16] | BCMM: | i can't watch while i record |
| [10:24:18] | BCMM: | and that's bad |
| [10:24:38] | BCMM: | cause i'd need to do something weird like get a small TV set just to find out when the tape finishes |
| [10:24:49] | BCMM: | is there no way to just say "record now"? |
| [10:25:40] | juski: | BCMM: schedule a manual recording on that input, longer than you need. then play the tape into mythtv, when the recording is finished, go into 'watch recordings', edit it to trim off the excess. then you can use mytharchive or whatever :) |
| [10:25:55] | BCMM: | ah ok |
| [10:26:11] | juski: | mythtv != vcr, which is why there's no 'record now' of much use. the max recording length you get with a source that doesn't have a programme guide is one hour |
| [10:26:22] | BCMM: | hmm there is really no way to just record till i tell it to stop? |
| [10:26:31] | BCMM: | i still don't see why not... ah well |
| [10:26:34] | juski: | yes, but within a one hour boundary |
| [10:27:17] | juski: | you could always make a dummy programme guide for that video source, and make the length of each 'dummy show' a couple of hours or more. that'd get around it |
| [10:27:21] | BCMM: | what is a manual recording? is that basically scheduling something to start in 1 minute and end in X minutes and then hitting play? |
| [10:27:41] | juski: | no, you schedule a manual recording in 'manage recordings' |
| [10:28:10] | juski: | if *all* you wanna do is archive tapes to DVD, mythtv isn't the best for that job |
| [10:31:44] | BCMM: | hmm how do i know when the job starts |
| [10:32:03] | BCMM: | well what is best for the job? |
| [10:33:57] | juski: | probably catting to a file and playing the file as you go with mplayer |
| [10:35:17] | BCMM: | juski: hmm mplayer can do that? |
| [10:35:24] | BCMM: | thanks, that sounds like a good solution |
| [10:35:53] | BCMM: | is there a flag i would need to pass to make it not check the file length at start of playback? |
| [10:36:06] | juski: | I don't think it'll check anyway |
| [10:36:12] | juski: | it should play until you stop it AFAIK |
| [10:36:52] | BCMM: | in any case mythtv is still useful to tune it |
| [10:37:14] | juski: | if the card isn't a pvr card, you won't be able to cat to a file though |
| [10:39:55] | Dagmar: | Okay, now that is dumb. |
| [10:40:17] | Dagmar: | There are tools that come with the ivtv driver source package which set the inputs and tuning parameters just fine |
| [10:40:40] | Dagmar: | You don't need a multi-hundred megabyte install of things to tune a freaking PVR card |
| [10:41:50] | juski: | there's a definite *need* for a tool to allow you to back up analogue tapes to a digital format but so far nobody has been assed enough to step up & write one :-P |
| [10:42:51] | juski: | unless said tapes are the most cherished home movies in the world I'd personally not bother & just buy DVDs instead of being a lame cheapskate |
| [10:43:38] | juski: | standalone dvd recorders are so cheap now it's hardly worth putting the time in |
| [10:44:12] | rhollan: | damn! It takes a *while* to backup 500GB of content to USB2 disk |
| [10:44:26] | juski: | an hour of my time is worth way more than $50, so you do your own sums |
| [10:44:42] | Dagmar: | Dude, it takes a "while" to back up 500Gb to another 500Gb drive, just going from PCI device to PCI device |
| [10:44:52] | Dagmar: | It takes bloody ages to go out through USB2 |
| [10:45:05] | rhollan: | tell me about it. |
| [10:45:17] | rhollan: | But, after ripping it, I wanted a copy |
| [10:45:31] | rhollan: | I spent days ripping all my media |
| [10:45:46] | rhollan: | So I could shove it in an archive box and just playback from my myth box |
| [10:47:19] | Dagmar: | Crap. Leave it to gentoo to let things get stale |
| [10:47:38] | rhollan: | I guess I'll let it copy and check on it in the morning... er, later in the morning. |
| [10:47:41] | rhollan: | 'night allk |
| [10:47:43] | Dagmar: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_PowerNow! sez you have to use the p-states driver to do frequency scaling on 939-pin X2's |
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| [10:47:52] | Dagmar: | My CPU sure as hell doesnt' seem to require that |
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| [12:04:38] | juski: | woo just read that ubuntu forums thread. if you're unlucky & get a nova-td500 they'll be happy to swap it. just like they allegedly did with hvr card substitutions in pvr150 boxes. maybe they're not so evil after all |
| [12:04:58] | Dagmar: | Yeah they've been very cool with people about that |
| [12:05:00] | juski: | maybe I'll just wait a bit til the stocks of the td version are dried up |
| [12:05:33] | juski: | I can live with 3 as opposed to 5 tuners for a while – I've lasted this long ;) |
| [12:05:50] | Dagmar: | i want this bloody powernow-k8 module to stop screwing around on me |
| [12:06:05] | juski: | I want my lunch |
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| [12:07:38] | laga: | i want to know why prism54pci will give me 700–1000kb/s while ndiswrapper gives me about 1,6M/s |
| [12:08:07] | juski: | laga: why else but propriatary goodness of course ;) |
| [12:08:18] | laga: | heh |
| [12:08:28] | laga: | ndiswrapper gets to stay if that's true |
| [12:11:08] | laga: | yup. 1.58MB/s for ndiswrapper VS 960.32 KB/s for prism54pci. 20M test file over http. |
| [12:12:49] | lexs: | what does "your grabber does not provide channel numbers" mean? |
| [12:13:01] | juski: | lexs: does English trouble you? |
| [12:13:29] | juski: | these goddamn plain english error messages are killers ain't they? |
| [12:14:26] | juski: | maybe it should say "Step away from the computer. Call an expert to dispose of the machine for you" instead |
| [12:15:55] | lexs: | juski: :( |
| [12:15:59] | lexs: | but what is the grabber? |
| [12:16:02] | lexs: | is it the card |
| [12:16:06] | lexs: | or the xmltv grabber? |
| [12:17:41] | juski: | it means the xmltv grabber |
| [12:18:05] | juski: | your xmltv grabber does not provide channel numbers, so you must provide them yourself |
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| [12:23:36] | lexs: | juski: hm, seem like they had "inbuilt" numbers anyways |
| [12:23:48] | lexs: | they got the right numbers when i performed the scan |
| [12:24:34] | juski: | scanning generally provides channel numbers. it's probably no big deal the grabber you use doesn't give them |
| [12:25:22] | juski: | the grabber I use doesn't provide channel numbers either – but it's really no hassle |
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| [12:32:47] | lexs: | yay, i just watched HD :) |
| [12:33:01] | lexs: | on a amd barton 2500+ |
| [12:33:06] | lexs: | it did lag a bit :) |
| [12:35:28] | laga: | juski: seems to you add 5.1 output to the s100 quite easily... |
| [12:36:39] | juski: | laga: cool :) |
| [12:37:52] | laga: | juski: mic-in is possible, too. karaoke! :) |
| [12:38:13] | laga: | wow, my last sentence didn't make sense. s/to you |
| [12:38:18] | laga: | /you can add/ |
| [12:38:25] | laga: | oh ffs, i'll stop typing for today |
| [12:38:36] | juski: | arghh my backend has fallen over :( |
| [12:39:00] | juski: | last log entry: 2007-08–02 12:21:07.837 EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 701 |
| [12:39:11] | juski: | I need to update it soon |
| [12:40:18] | juski: | all back up & AFAICT it's fine again. now think – had there been a fix for eit crashing the backend? hmmm |
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| [13:04:36] | styrmis: | I'm trying to compile trunk on a Gentoo machine. To avoid picking up Qt4 libraries I've needed to modify the call to qmake in configure to use $QTDIR/bin/qmake rather than /usr/bin/qmake as /usr/bin/qmake is a symlink to qt4's qmake |
| [13:06:40] | styrmis: | I would expect that this would work for machines with Qt3 only, and for those with both so long as QTDIR is set correctly. If so I was considering submitting it as a patch, minor as it is... any thoughts? |
| [13:06:54] | juski: | to avoid picking up those libs you could just have put -qt4 in your USE variable could you not? |
| [13:07:28] | styrmis: | I'm not using the ebuilds (I'd like to make changes to the code) |
| [13:08:07] | styrmis: | I have no problems when using the ebuilds, as in the ebuild the QMAKE variable is set to $QTDIR/bin/qmake when calling qmake on mythtv.pro for the first time |
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| [13:09:47] | styrmis: | I thought this might be a 'safe' patch to submit to get my feet wet on the submission process |
| [13:11:13] | laga: | styrmis: #mythtv for development question :) |
| [13:12:30] | styrmis: | laga: I see. I went to mythtv-dev first which was a private/secret channel so I wrongly assumed it was invitation only... |
| [13:12:45] | styrmis: | laga: I'll take my question over there; thanks |
| [13:12:51] | laga: | :) |
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| [13:13:09] | laga: | #mythtv-dev is just empty ;) |
| [13:13:37] | juski: | #mythtv should be invitation only, as should this channel :-P |
| [13:14:17] | styrmis: | I figured they'd got so tired of questions from new people they'd shut themselves in :) |
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| [13:16:43] | zigovr: | hi all, I have two different video sources configured in mythtv-setup, how can I switch between one and the other in the frontend ? |
| [13:16:46] | _Anna_: | hi all |
| [13:17:30] | zigovr: | also , how can I make one video source the default ( currently it starts with the second one , I'd like it to start with the first one, the second one isn't always available (it goes though internet)) |
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| [13:18:16] | _Anna_: | some one can say me why i cant see live tv with mythtv please? |
| [13:18:47] | juski: | _Anna_: without seeing any log output it's impossible to help |
| [13:20:05] | _Anna_: | i have kubuntu and i have install it with adept mythtv...mythtv-backend...mythtv-backend-master,,,,mythtv-database....mythtv-fro ntend....mythtv-common |
| [13:20:09] | _Anna_: | its ok? |
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| [13:21:40] | laga: | _Anna_: have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV ? |
| [13:21:47] | _Anna_: | with this programa i can see TV of my country? i see television with win mediacenter and it works. |
| [13:22:04] | Dibblah: | Interesting. These T5500s _almost_ do BBC HD just as well as my X2 4000... |
| [13:22:56] | Dibblah: | But with half the power consumption. |
| [13:23:13] | zigovr: | _Anna_: I'd suggest you to start with a more simple program to start with, kaffeine for example, just to watch tv |
| [13:23:16] | laga: | Dibblah: what about power consumption when idle? |
| [13:23:31] | Dibblah: | Idle is 40w from the wall. |
| [13:23:43] | Dibblah: | Fully loaded is 50w ish. |
| [13:23:43] | zigovr: | anyone can tell me how I can select the video source in the frontend ? |
| [13:24:13] | Dibblah: | zigovr: y |
| [13:24:16] | zigovr: | I have two video sources, but the second one is selected and I don't know how to change it |
| [13:24:26] | zigovr: | ah thanks Dibblah I'll try this |
| [13:24:38] | Dibblah: | Look at keys.txt for more :) |
| [13:24:45] | zigovr: | Dibblah: do you know how to tell the frontend to select the first video source by default ? |
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| [13:25:00] | zigovr: | well there was a lot of keys but I didn't see that one |
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| [13:26:02] | thefree_: | Hello all! Someone here can help me with the script imdb.pl,pls? |
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| [13:26:17] | juski: | just ask a direct question |
| [13:27:22] | thefree_: | I can't understand how I can pass the title of the film, instead of the movieid. |
| [13:28:10] | thefree_: | I tried with the command line, but it seems that it wants the movieid, not the title. |
| [13:28:11] | juski: | passing the title isn't the best way to get a direct hit on the film you want |
| [13:29:50] | thefree_: | I understand, but I modified the script (in the old versions of mythtv) to search the movie data with the site italian.imdb. |
| [13:30:53] | thefree_: | I remember I did it about a year ago: no problem at all! Now it doesn't work anymore! (now using 0.20–147.1.fc4.at) |
| [13:35:46] | thefree_: | Is it possible that my version of the script is too old? |
| [13:39:10] | zigovr: | I don't understand what does the key "C change inputs on TV Tuner card" does ? |
| [13:40:36] | sion_: | whats are other factors you can change to optimize a pvr stream aside niceness of the player ? |
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| [13:42:56] | planktonboy: | hi all |
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| [13:44:58] | planktonboy: | I know its totally off topic but I've been a total plonker and formatted an NTFS partition of all my backed up files by mistake, formatted the wrong disk before checking...so was wondering if anyone here knows any good utils to recover this data... |
| [13:45:32] | Slyboots: | testdisk? |
| [13:45:37] | Slyboots: | Damn it! -.- |
| [13:45:43] | Slyboots: | Why does Myth keep cutting recordings short |
| [13:45:57] | Slyboots: | It records *half* the show if Im lucky |
| [13:47:03] | Slyboots: | And one did not record at all -.- |
| [13:47:46] | styrmis: | zigovr: On a PVR 350 you have a tuner and an svideo input; 'c' would switch between the two afaik |
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| [13:51:35] | jarle__: | How do I make the frontend return to the channel I was last watching when entering LiveTV, can't seem to find it in the settings? |
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| [13:57:26] | Slyboots: | Hmm.. Cant update stations anymore using xmltv |
| [13:58:43] | Slyboots: | "/usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids:15: wrong number of fields at /usr/local/bin/tv_grab_uk_rt line 167 |
| [13:58:59] | juski: | anybody happen to know if openchrome supports use events? |
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| [14:01:29] | jarle__: | Slyboots: http://www2.holmlund.se/xmltv-nightly/test_grabbers.html |
| [14:01:51] | jarle__: | Slyboots: doesn't seem like that grabber is currently working... |
| [14:01:56] | juski: | Slyboots: you've done well to break that grabber |
| [14:01:59] | juski: | jarle__: BS. it works |
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| [14:02:18] | Slyboots: | Any idea how it has become broken? |
| [14:03:03] | juski: | Slyboots: there was a problem on the radiotimes.com site a few days ago (since fixed allegedly) where there were 2 occurrences of a channel. that broke the grabber. a fixed grabber was released and then the RT site was fixed too |
| [14:03:21] | juski: | it might have become broken again, so update your grabber to the latest one |
| [14:04:30] | Slyboots: | hmm |
| [14:05:09] | juski: | Slyboots: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/281724 |
| [14:05:20] | laga: | gah |
| [14:05:30] | Slyboots: | Hm, Mine does not even get that far |
| [14:05:34] | laga: | i tried xris' new channel icon script. it asked me *lots* of questions :) |
| [14:05:42] | juski: | Slyboots: then you're screwed :-P |
| [14:06:01] | laga: | but i "Submitted 117 channels" to mythtv.org :) |
| [14:06:02] | Slyboots: | Fun, this Mythbox is not going well |
| [14:06:08] | juski: | Slyboots: like I originally said you've been very clever to break that script. no doubt something you allowed to auto-update |
| [14:06:17] | Slyboots: | I used the EIT data, but it keeps cutting the recordings short |
| [14:06:36] | juski: | shows overrun, even in Blighty. I always pad mine by 2 mins at least |
| [14:07:06] | juski: | of course if you use EIT, it really pays to use ntp to set your system time & keep it right! |
| [14:07:40] | juski: | generally when the schedule is on time, at the start of my recordings I catch the channel ident :D |
| [14:08:51] | Slyboots: | Right, Just making a new copy from the snapshot |
| [14:09:01] | Slyboots: | juski: It starts ther ecording on time |
| [14:09:05] | Slyboots: | Then stops *halfway* |
| [14:09:15] | Slyboots: | or 3/4 the way though, despite there was no shedualing change |
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| [14:09:53] | Slyboots: | (Also, my system-clock is already set my ntp :)) |
| [14:11:05] | Slyboots: | Right, thats the latest built and installed |
| [14:11:32] | Slyboots: | At least its starting now |
| [14:11:59] | Slyboots: | Now the only propblem is I have to tell it what stations I have, I could have sworn that used to be automatic |
| [14:13:46] | thefree_: | Everyone is ok with the script imdb.pl? |
| [14:13:57] | thefree_: | if I use: |
| [14:14:00] | thefree_: | /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl -d -M tv=no Excalibur |
| [14:14:14] | thefree_: | it says no results :( |
| [14:16:56] | juski: | Slyboots: recordings shouldn't stop halfway – maybe you have a signal level problem |
| [14:17:11] | Slyboots: | Picture is fine on most statoins, cept Sky 3 |
| [14:17:22] | Slyboots: | Which is odd, as it works flawlessy on the stand-alone set-top box |
| [14:18:46] | juski: | Slyboots: that's no indication. how many times is the aerial connection split? |
| [14:18:53] | Slyboots: | Once |
| [14:19:48] | juski: | let me rephrase that. how many things does the aerial feed? I imagine it comes down the wall into the wall socket, into the STB, out of there into the TV, then into the myth box? |
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| [14:20:45] | jtmoney: | are there any other plugins for music or videos? i think the ones that come with myth are a little lacking :X |
| [14:21:23] | juski: | !trout jtmoney blasphemer |
| [14:21:23] | ** MythLogBot slaps jtmoney with a blasphemer trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [14:21:30] | Dr_willis: | Not that ive seen jtmoney , i do hear a lot of people wanting a better MythMusic interface. |
| [14:21:46] | jtmoney: | heh |
| [14:21:56] | jtmoney: | okay, thanks guys |
| [14:22:01] | juski: | we do get a lot of people whining about mythmusic, not seen much code coming from the community to improve it yet |
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| [14:22:17] | Dr_willis: | I just set it to play all/random and let it go. ;) |
| [14:23:12] | Slyboots: | ITs a master areial for this building |
| [14:23:30] | Slyboots: | at are junction box for the feed, its split to two devices, a TV in the living room, and my Mythbox |
| [14:24:05] | Slyboots: | I added a juction-splitter at the master-socket |
| [14:26:31] | wh0dat: | anyone have an idea why my video would be a little jerky.. especially noticable when the camera is panning left or right..? |
| [14:27:41] | juski: | wh0dat: yes. you need to enable deinterlacing in mythfrontend – utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback |
| [14:31:14] | Slyboots: | weird, accoring to myth, the signal streght is 14–20% and Singla Noise is 100% |
| [14:32:41] | juski: | Slyboots: the drivers aren't known for reporting sig strength properly. mine goes between 100% without the aerial plugged in & 10% :-P |
| [14:32:51] | wh0dat: | juski: yeah i was playing with that yesterday. i have it set to the 'less motion blur' right now. |
| [14:33:12] | Slyboots: | juski: Yea, I removed the splitter box and attached it to the live feed |
| [14:33:18] | Slyboots: | I still get 100% that cant be right :) |
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| [14:35:49] | juski: | jtmoney: you know when you say stuff like "the ones that come with myth are a little lacking" – it's a big slap in the face to people who work on the project. Hardly going to motivate them to improve things, IS IT |
| [14:36:29] | jtmoney: | oh jesus |
| [14:36:37] | jtmoney: | want me to lie and tell the developers how wonderful it is? |
| [14:36:45] | jtmoney: | what would be any motivation there to improve it then? |
| [14:37:00] | juski: | no but it still doesn't help anybody |
| [14:37:01] | jtmoney: | it's called constructive criticism, and i suspect most mythtv developers are capable of handling it by now |
| [14:37:12] | jtmoney: | was that building up or what? |
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| [14:37:25] | ** juski goes to svn.mythtv.org to find all jtmoney's patches ** | |
| [14:37:42] | jtmoney: | oh, so now i have to be a developer to be critical of mythtv? |
| [14:37:53] | jtmoney: | go brush with sensodyne you cunt |
| [14:38:03] | juski: | :-O |
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| [14:39:20] | juski: | no answer to that retort mr wiseguy |
| [14:39:47] | jtmoney: | pretty sure that just was |
| [14:39:54] | jtmoney: | look, people like you are a cancer on development |
| [14:40:12] | jtmoney: | do you know how many people are perfectly happy with xp/vista media center? |
| [14:40:18] | juski: | I don't care |
| [14:40:24] | jtmoney: | god forbid someone comes in asking a quesiton as to whether or not there are other plugins available |
| [14:40:26] | ** Dr_willis dosent care either. ** | |
| [14:40:38] | Dr_willis: | there are none that i am aware of. |
| [14:40:53] | juski: | you come in here with your glib comments, NO constructive criticism, NO suggestions as to how to improve what already exists. nothing. nada |
| [14:40:56] | Dr_willis: | I DO think the 'mythweb' may have some expanded features? |
| [14:41:04] | Dr_willis: | Not used that in ages either. |
| [14:41:24] | juski: | Dr_willis: the mythweb in svn is something else. I mean it was good before but now.. :D |
| [14:41:32] | jtmoney: | i come in here asking for an alternative and you tell me i shouldn't say anything negative about mythtv because it might offend the developers |
| [14:41:34] | jtmoney: | you're a coward |
| [14:41:40] | Dr_willis: | juski, not tried the svn. im not that leet of a haxor. |
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| [14:45:08] | laga: | omg omg 1337 h4xx0rs ;) |
| [14:46:16] | laga: | juski: s100 = best frontend evar! |
| [14:46:21] | psymin: | silly question here, why would someone want a video card that supports HDCP? |
| [14:46:25] | juski: | not a bad total for one day. being called a cunt & a cancer in an afternoon |
| [14:47:26] | juski: | psymin: because they're a patsy for the MPAA? ;) Not that there's much point since it's pretty doubtful HDCP will ever work in linux |
| [14:47:35] | sion_: | juski, some people simply are abusive |
| [14:47:39] | juski: | and that's prolly a good thing |
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| [14:48:40] | cesman: | "go brush with sensodyne", what is that suppose to mean?! |
| [14:48:41] | psymin: | juski, Thanks :) |
| [14:49:00] | cesman: | guess I'm getting old...Im not hip with the slang of today |
| [14:49:03] | juski: | psymin: maybe it'd be more of a big deal if TVs relied on HDCP – thankfully they don't |
| [14:49:27] | sion_: | cesman, however, if you ever brushed with it... tastes like.. well.. nasty |
| [14:49:29] | juski: | .. or should I say "don't YET" |
| [14:49:47] | jtmoney: | cesman: toothpaste for people with sensitive teeth |
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| [14:50:03] | jtmoney: | made for little faggots like juski |
| [14:50:20] | juski: | mmm faggots. like meatballs :) |
| [14:50:47] | psymin: | I see no reference to meatballs on the wiki page for 'Strontium chloride' .. |
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| [14:51:17] | juski: | jtmoney: you should get a job being a linuxtv developer with a mouth like that :-P |
| [14:51:34] | GreyFoxx: | Enough of the namecalling |
| [14:51:37] | juski: | no offence intended, mkrufky ;) |
| [14:51:41] | laga: | heh |
| [14:52:02] | GreyFoxx: | You can disagree without being childish |
| [14:52:05] | cesman: | jtmoney: I know what it is, the statement just doesn't make sense |
| [14:52:18] | jtmoney: | i'd rather be the guy that hangs out in irc and tells people not to say anything negative about projects |
| [14:52:24] | jtmoney: | oh wait, you already have that role |
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| [14:52:51] | juski: | well, we all have /ignore. do the adult thing |
| [14:53:25] | simcop2387-tv: | is there any way to define a specific transcode profile for videos from a specific source? |
| [14:54:18] | mkrufky: | juski: lol -- |
| [14:54:24] | mkrufky: | juski: you must be thinking of somebody else |
| [14:54:27] | mkrufky: | ;-) |
| [14:54:28] | juski: | simcop2387-tv: don't even try to rename transcoding profiles. in some parts of the code they're hardcoded. in others they're not. your best bet is a user job |
| [14:55:00] | juski: | simcop2387-tv: with user jobs you can assign them to recording groups IIRC |
| [14:55:20] | mkrufky: | eeeeeew ... i just read the backlog |
| [14:55:23] | juski: | as in 'always do user job X when done recording' |
| [14:56:04] | mkrufky: | a faggot is a bundle of sticks — look it up in your dictionary |
| [14:56:34] | jtmoney: | how do you get juski and three of his friends to sit on a stool? |
| [14:56:38] | jtmoney: | turn it upside-down |
| [14:57:05] | GreyFoxx: | Lets just drop this. It's silly |
| [14:57:20] | jams: | jtmoney- drop it please |
| [14:57:25] | mkrufky: | hi guys... how's everybody doin today? |
| [14:57:27] | jtmoney: | not until juski admits he likes getting his shit packed |
| [14:57:38] | juski: | rofl |
| [14:57:45] | mkrufky: | why dont you kick him, GreyFoxx ? |
| [14:57:50] | jtmoney: | or admits that it's okay for people to be not 100% pleased with a project |
| [14:57:57] | GreyFoxx: | mkrufky: |
| [14:58:01] | GreyFoxx: | It's heading that way |
| [14:58:04] | mkrufky: | k |
| [14:58:18] | GreyFoxx: | jtmoney: just drop it |
| [14:58:21] | jtmoney: | mkrufky: is too good for an /ignore i see |
| [14:58:24] | jtmoney: | has to whine about it |
| [14:58:36] | GreyFoxx: | and it's deinfately ok for people to not be 100% pleased with anything they like |
| [14:58:38] | jtmoney: | mkrufky: were you a hall monitor? |
| [14:58:48] | mkrufky: | nope, i just got here and im being nosey |
| [14:58:55] | jtmoney: | [10:35] <juski> jtmoney: you know when you say stuff like "the ones that come with myth are a little lacking" – it's a big slap in the face to people who work on the project. Hardly going to motivate them to improve things, IS IT |
| [14:58:55] | laga: | GreyFoxx: i admire your patience |
| [14:58:58] | mkrufky: | jtmoney: but it is okay for people to be displeased with a project |
| [14:59:19] | mkrufky: | jtmoney: this type of thing might happen with open source ... developers work on what THEY WANT to work on |
| [14:59:34] | mkrufky: | jtmoney: you can complain if you like, but you should not be offensive about it |
| [14:59:54] | mkrufky: | at least, that's how *I* feel about that type of thing |
| [14:59:56] | jtmoney: | hah, it was juski who got his silk panties in a wad |
| [15:00:03] | jtmoney: | i asked one question and he attacks |
| [15:00:06] | jtmoney: | GOD FORBID |
| [15:00:12] | GreyFoxx: | laga: Hehe |
| [15:00:19] | juski: | I didn't resort to calling anybody *that* name though |
| [15:00:28] | mkrufky: | jtmoney: some people get a bit over-excited about some stuff.... it's up to other people to be the more mature person |
| [15:00:34] | jtmoney: | juski: you took it to defcon 2 |
| [15:00:41] | mkrufky: | (not that im calling anybody else immature) |
| [15:00:51] | mkrufky: | but such ranting and flaming, trolling ... it's just not cool |
| [15:01:20] | jtmoney: | well, i only think it's fair that juski comes clean with his sexual orientation |
| [15:01:22] | juski: | I'm always taking that stance on comments like that & I stand by my right to do so |
| [15:01:24] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o GreyFoxx | |
| [15:01:32] | laga: | someone kick him ffs. |
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| [15:01:33] | jtmoney has been kicked from #Mythtv-users by GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org (enough) | |
| [15:01:35] | Dr_willis: | some people just dont know when to quit.. |
| [15:01:38] | laga: | heh |
| [15:01:53] | ** jams bets greyfoxx had the op command already typed in..just waiting ** | |
| [15:02:04] | laga: | his ISP is "cox.neT" and he calls other people gay. |
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| [15:02:09] | GreyFoxx: | You try and give people a chance |
| [15:02:10] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [15:02:15] | Dr_willis: | So... Silk Boxers or silk Briefs? |
| [15:02:17] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [15:02:33] | mkrufky: | silk can be quite comfortable :-) |
| [15:02:35] | laga: | juski: don't worry, we totally accept your sexual orientation. whatever it might be. |
| [15:02:40] | ** laga hides ** | |
| [15:02:52] | juski: | hey when I find out I'll let everybody know ;) |
| [15:03:19] | mkrufky: | if you put up an ad & picture on craig's list, maybe somebody will volunteer to help explore your options, lol |
| [15:03:23] | sion_: | the world now is a better place |
| [15:03:46] | Dr_willis: | Get married, then your Sexual Orientation will be "not tonight i got a headache" |
| [15:03:47] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [15:04:26] | juski: | become a theme designer with too many projects on the go. your orientation will be immaterial |
| [15:06:03] | GreyFoxx: | Or get married and have a kid |
| [15:06:04] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [15:06:13] | GreyFoxx: | either way, it wont matter anymore ;) |
| [15:07:09] | mkrufky: | what was that statistic again.... way back a few months ago somebody was saying that there's an extremely high percentage of gay linux developers? |
| [15:07:26] | mkrufky: | i wonder how those statistics are arrived at |
| [15:07:32] | ** Dr_willis wonders how one even collects that stuff. ** | |
| [15:07:32] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [15:07:38] | sion_: | maybe they are more creative males, many artists are gay too, many actors |
| [15:07:48] | Dr_willis: | counting the # of same nicks in #linux as in #GayLinux ? |
| [15:07:54] | sion_: | I bet Bill is gay too |
| [15:07:59] | mkrufky: | exactly... i'd imagine most gay linux developers have better things to talk about in devel chat rooms than sexuality |
| [15:08:33] | juski: | well yeah maybe in devel chatrooms ;) |
| [15:08:34] | ** Dr_willis envisions a Theme discussion with mention of decopauge, and hints of floral backgrounds ** | |
| [15:08:55] | Dr_willis: | 'the pointer needs to be more chartuse' :) |
| [15:09:48] | Dr_willis: | a Guy at work was selling these 'candels' in the glass jars the other day.. that was ok.. but when he had like 200 In his locker.. that was.. odd... |
| [15:09:54] | juski: | arghhh after my mammoth download session yesterday, teh intrewebs is very slow |
| [15:10:02] | Dr_willis: | Then he had the Catalog.... :) i quietly left. |
| [15:10:11] | mkrufky: | floral backgrounds, lol |
| [15:10:24] | sion_: | sounds like a scam ;-) |
| [15:11:01] | Dr_willis: | He is well... lets say – he has a very well decorated house. Actually I think he quit his job and became an interier decorator. |
| [15:11:14] | jams: | ooh the flowers themes could match the leafers theme |
| [15:11:16] | Dr_willis: | Wife went to one of his Rummage Sales.. said he had the 'nicest' stuff. :) |
| [15:11:30] | Dr_willis: | and LOTS of candels |
| [15:11:42] | juski: | so? my wife thought I was gay when she first saw me, so she says |
| [15:12:06] | Dr_willis: | I finialy broke my wife of the 'candel' addiction she had. |
| [15:12:20] | Dr_willis: | When the Coffe Table looks like a Bonfire when they are all lit..... |
| [15:12:25] | juski: | that was apparently on account of me not wearing a chequered shirt. funny |
| [15:12:31] | mkrufky: | ah, so juski probably isnt gay then |
| [15:12:41] | Dr_willis: | Denial? :) |
| [15:12:52] | sion_: | Dr_willis, I dont want to go into details what they can do with candles... |
| [15:12:54] | mkrufky: | you know what they say here in new york ...... if you thin he's gay, either you're right, or he's a jew from long island |
| [15:13:03] | mkrufky: | (that was a joke — not a racist comment — i am jewish) |
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| [15:13:06] | juski: | Dr_willis: that's a river in Egypt |
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| [15:19:06] | mkrufky: | gosh, im sorry if i did offend anybody .... if i said that in a New York chat room, i would have gotten back a few thousand LOL's |
| [15:19:16] | ** mkrufky hides ** | |
| [15:20:51] | juski: | mkrufky: didn't really get it |
| [15:21:15] | juski: | anyway www.juski.co.uk/ghey-wide.png – one for the 'laaaaydees' ;) |
| [15:22:07] | lexs: | any idea why mythtv spits out an error when i tune in a hdtv channel and the quits to main menu, but if i select watch tv again it works |
| [15:22:30] | juski: | hmm for something done as a bit of a laugh, I fink some people might like that background |
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| [15:34:23] | juski: | lol.. some guy on the forums has noticed he can get a channel for free that he thinks he shouldn't. |
| [15:35:16] | bill2or3: | the horror. |
| [15:35:18] | mkrufky: | i can get a bunch |
| [15:35:23] | juski: | I wonder what the legal position on that is.. a channel they hide behind mheg – but if you use a receiver platform where mheg doesn't work (or is disabled) you can see it |
| [15:35:34] | mkrufky: | i can see what the people upstairs are watching pay-per-view, lol |
| [15:35:39] | bill2or3: | mheg? |
| [15:35:53] | mkrufky: | mheg is a 2-way api |
| [15:36:03] | mkrufky: | meant for on-demand and stuff like that |
| [15:36:08] | bill2or3: | like for reporting ppg purchases? |
| [15:36:11] | bill2or3: | err, ppv |
| [15:36:13] | mkrufky: | perhaps |
| [15:36:15] | mkrufky: | yeah |
| [15:36:31] | mkrufky: | im not an expert on that, but thats what i gather ... am i wrong, juski ? |
| [15:36:34] | juski: | bill2or3: yeah it's used in the UK & Aus for 'interactive' TV services. Mostly one way in the implementation we've got here – used for games, news & weather info.. multiscreen channels... |
| [15:36:44] | mkrufky: | ok, i was right |
| [15:36:49] | opello: | multiscreen channels? |
| [15:37:05] | opello: | that sounds interesting |
| [15:37:24] | juski: | there's a way some providers can 'hide' a channel's video behind an interactive screen. you ring a phone number, they charge you money & give you a PIN code. type in the PIN on the STB and voila.. |
| [15:37:40] | juski: | no encryption is being broken, so I figure it'd be legal |
| [15:37:40] | opello: | oh, not like different content on 2 monitors |
| [15:38:23] | juski: | opello: the multiscreen stuff is one video stream with X amount of audio tracks. the mheg app puts a box over one 'screen' to highlight it & switches the decoded audio to the right stream |
| [15:38:41] | laga: | that's really smart |
| [15:38:43] | lexs: | what decoder does mythtv use for h264? |
| [15:39:01] | laga: | almost as smart as CD "copy protection" which can be "circumvented" by disabled autostart in windows. |
| [15:39:03] | janneg: | libavcodec |
| [15:39:04] | laga: | lexs: ffmpeg. |
| [15:39:21] | lexs: | as i can decode a 8mbit h264 movie with 30% cpu with mplayer but i cant watch a 20mbit h264 with mythtv |
| [15:39:32] | juski: | opello: we get games too. mheg does java :-\ |
| [15:39:49] | opello: | juski: heh, sounds interesting |
| [15:39:52] | laga: | juski: they also sell games for the original firmware of the s100 :> |
| [15:40:01] | juski: | laga: yeah lol. suckers |
| [15:40:17] | juski: | and they wonder why everybody is either hacking em to run linux or selling em |
| [15:41:15] | juski: | opello: some of the 'red button' stuff on bbc channels is really cool. when there's a bbc music event on we usually get live video of it, outside the normal schedule |
| [15:41:42] | juski: | same goes for sporting events. the bbc can show 2 or more courts of wimbledon without taking up any other channels |
| [15:41:48] | opello: | nice |
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| [15:42:15] | opello: | i still only have analog cable, heh |
| [15:42:26] | juski: | the mheg stuff is kinda like teletext++++++ really |
| [15:43:13] | juski: | apparently DVB radio has a similar thing now too |
| [15:43:28] | juski: | they're even sending out EPG data for radio :) |
| [15:43:45] | bill2or3: | I should re-aim my dish and find some. |
| [15:43:59] | laga: | interactivity for radio channels is not that bad. black screen is boring |
| [15:44:09] | juski: | there's actually a radio out there which lets you browse the programme guide & set recordings. if I didn't have mythtv I'd have bought one already |
| [15:44:18] | juski: | <3 my radio |
| [15:44:35] | juski: | laga: we get nice screens with dvb-t radio channels |
| [15:45:04] | laga: | i got to play with a terratec noxon radio briefly. looks nice: you plug it in and get to choose from a nice variety of internet radio stations |
| [15:45:12] | laga: | juski: well, i prefer my own music usually |
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| [15:45:40] | juski: | I wish my HT receiver did internet radio. where is all the convergence? ;) |
| [15:46:16] | juski: | I'd be willing to pay an extra £100 for it built into some gear |
| [15:46:30] | mkrufky: | ive seen such devices |
| [15:46:41] | mkrufky: | i dont recall the retail names, but i can get back to you on that |
| [15:46:48] | juski: | mkrufky: yeah but they tend to be the very top end of the scale I bet |
| [15:47:02] | laga: | the convergence is in your mythtv :P |
| [15:47:07] | mkrufky: | yeah ... $ 900 for one this guy was telling me about a few days ago |
| [15:47:22] | mkrufky: | i think that the hauppauge MVP can do that stuff too, but im not sure |
| [15:47:26] | mkrufky: | thats a cheaper device |
| [15:47:41] | mkrufky: | and dvico has an interesting device as well.... not sure if its meant for that though |
| [15:47:47] | simcop2387: | yay i've got ipv6 going again |
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| [15:49:26] | zigovr: | hi all, is there an option to tell the frontend to start live TV on the first video source instead of the last one ? |
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| [15:53:20] | juski: | zigovr: not AFAIK. just bind 'y' to a remote key instead? |
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| [15:54:01] | TimothyP: | Hello, I'm using Hauppauge DVB-S-Plus, in MythTV should I use V4L or DVB DVT capture card when adding a capture card? |
| [15:54:15] | laga: | DVB. |
| [15:54:23] | sphery: | juski: The OSD theme troubles are a bit spotty in appearance... |
| [15:54:46] | TimothyP: | laga, thank you (again :-)) |
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| [15:54:58] | sphery: | janneg says he's been seeing it for a couple of months. stuarta just started seeing it (yesterday, I believe). I don't see it at all. |
| [15:55:34] | sphery: | So, changing fonts may/may not actually fix it. |
| [15:55:49] | juski: | ugh |
| [15:56:00] | sphery: | Yeah. |
| [15:56:29] | juski: | well, if there's a 'may not' there's not much point changing my osd themes yet then |
| [15:57:07] | sphery: | For a while, I was terrified that it was the FreeFont font upgrade I requested (I use Retro, which doesn't use FreeSans), but Janne says that it works in isthmus, which does use FreeFont (and his system is one that does show the problem in some themes). |
| [15:57:36] | juski: | I set my frontend to use freesans in the OSD anyway – or is that overridden by the theme? |
| [15:57:43] | TimothyP: | :( |
| [15:57:43] | sphery: | If anything, a quick patch for janne that allows him to try blootube-osd or PG-osd with another font could be useful... |
| [15:57:57] | TimothyP: | I'm trying to run mythfilldatabase and I get segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| [15:58:17] | ** sphery thinks juski should be teaching how the fonts work... ** | |
| [15:58:23] | juski: | sphery: I dunno how that'd work |
| [15:58:28] | sphery: | AIUI, the theme chan choose to name a font in the font element |
| [15:58:33] | sphery: | If so, that font is used. |
| [15:58:37] | juski: | ah |
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| [15:58:50] | juski: | it'd be a quick fix to take that font def away |
| [15:58:57] | sphery: | If not, the OSD font is used. |
| [15:59:09] | janneg: | I can change the fonts in the osd myself then I get home |
| [15:59:31] | sphery: | Or, just comment out the <filename> elements... |
| [15:59:52] | sphery: | Definitely worth a try. |
| [16:00:05] | simcop2387-tv: | aha if i run it as root it plays back better... |
| [16:00:10] | juski: | IMHO we should remove the option to have a mono spaced font in the OSD anyway – it always looks crap |
| [16:00:15] | TimothyP: | When I try the mythtv-frontend then I get signal 93% S/N 4.8db BE 0 (1__) No Loc |
| [16:00:59] | sphery: | BTW, juski, I thought of you when I read this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/281873#281873 |
| [16:01:03] | juski: | sphery: there'd probably be no harm in me updating my osd themes to remove the font coding anyway |
| [16:01:24] | sphery: | "You are right, with a different font (I tried comic sans) it still doesn't look that good" |
| [16:01:27] | sphery: | weren' |
| [16:01:28] | juski: | comic sans.. roflmao |
| [16:01:37] | sphery: | t you just talking about some user switching to comic? |
| [16:02:24] | juski: | no, it was a comment somebody (gbee I think) made about half expecting to see tickets saying "xyz theme looks crap with comic sans" |
| [16:02:46] | sphery: | If you remove the font filename, then the user has full control over what font is used--and, as you said, could choose Comic Sans (assuming they put it in the mythtv share dir) and "ruin" the design |
| [16:02:52] | juski: | meaning "well DUH – everything looks crap with comic sans" |
| [16:02:59] | sphery: | Agreed. |
| [16:03:01] | juski: | sphery: on their own head be it |
| [16:03:38] | sphery: | As long as you can live with someone screwing up your design, inviting friends over, and influencing their impressions... :) |
| [16:03:47] | juski: | comic sans is barely even good enough for church parish newsletters & should be avoided at all costs – I don't even think it has ironic uses |
| [16:04:06] | opello: | hrm, that link says he exports the captions to a srt file ... wonder how? i could use that sometimes |
| [16:04:08] | sphery: | (Not that the Myth world is big enough that a lot of people would be influenced) |
| [16:04:20] | sphery: | opello: You'll have to ask him. |
| [16:04:21] | juski: | sphery: like say, somebody replacing a background image with one full of 'leaves' ? ;) |
| [16:04:39] | sphery: | rof-leafing-mao |
| [16:04:53] | juski: | when I get down to writing my theme guide I'll be really tempted to mention that as a 'what not to do' |
| [16:05:29] | opello: | interesting, ccextractor.sf.net |
| [16:05:32] | opello: | i should have just looked :) |
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| [16:06:07] | sphery: | And I can't believe that xris won't write the Flash player to support Gnash... |
| [16:06:13] | sphery: | just joking, xris |
| [16:06:22] | xris: | I won't write the flv player period. heh. |
| [16:06:23] | TimothyP: | szap + mplayer can get a lock , but mythtv cannot, what would be causing this (dvb-s) |
| [16:06:31] | sphery: | Bad way of saying, "Welcome back!" |
| [16:07:19] | mljohns4: | How would I force an osd resolution of 1280x720 (by definition a 16:9 aspect ratio) even if the program being watched is of some lesser resolution (i.e. 4:3) |
| [16:07:41] | sphery: | mljohns4: use a different video renderer--one that's not in 0.20-fixes. |
| [16:08:03] | sphery: | Such as the OpenGL renderer (or is it the XvMC OpenGL renderer, or both?) |
| [16:08:28] | sphery: | In other words, for now, you don't. In the future, you'll be able to. |
| [16:08:54] | mljohns4: | I'm currently using opengl with xvmc (nvidia 6200 gpu) |
| [16:09:03] | sphery: | Are you using mythtv-vid? |
| [16:09:07] | TimothyP: | and now the backend crashed, 10 minutes into the mythtv installation :d |
| [16:09:10] | TimothyP: | big suprise :d |
| [16:09:15] | mljohns4: | yes |
| [16:09:19] | sphery: | If not, you're not using the opengl video renderer (because it doesn't exist) |
| [16:09:58] | mljohns4: | Is this something that is available in the .21 branch |
| [16:10:14] | sphery: | Then, you'll have to play around with the renderers (and verify that it's using the one you asked for, rather than falling back to another because the requested one won't work). |
| [16:10:22] | sphery: | Nope. Only mythtv-vid branch. |
| [16:10:28] | sphery: | Not 0.20-fixes, not SVN trunk. |
| [16:10:58] | mljohns4: | I'll check my logs and verify mythtv-vid – - thanks |
| [16:11:50] | juski: | sphery: just commented out the font defs & committed them. if it helps, it helps – if not – no big deal |
| [16:12:51] | sphery: | If a million users start complaining that text doesn't fit in the allocated spaces, I'll try to help you explain how to change OSD fonts... :) |
| [16:13:04] | jams: | man php-syslog is way more complex then it needs to be |
| [16:13:14] | sphery: | Anyway, you'll have to ask janneg if it works for him. |
| [16:13:22] | juski: | sphery: just send them off into the appearance menus. should keep them busy for a while :-P |
| [16:13:54] | sphery: | True. |
| [16:14:33] | sphery: | Especially since the OSD font is in the TV Playback menu. :) |
| [16:14:39] | juski: | aye :D |
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| [16:14:53] | sphery: | evil juski is back |
| [16:14:58] | jams: | which is where it should be |
| [16:15:33] | sphery: | Yeah, makes a lot of sense since OSD is only used during playback, but for someone who's trying to change the appearance of the OSD, it may not seem so straightforward. |
| [16:16:12] | sphery: | Especially when they see all the other font stuff in the Appearance menus. |
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| [16:18:15] | lexs: | err, how do i stop a recoring? |
| [16:18:42] | sphery: | Go to the watch recordings (or delete recordings) screen and use Menu (m) to get the recording options |
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| [16:18:53] | sphery: | stop recording or delete recording (which stops it, then deletes it :) |
| [16:19:07] | sphery: | I think it's menu, but it might be info (i) |
| [16:19:21] | sphery: | I could point out the right button on my remote if that helps. |
| [16:19:25] | sphery: | :) |
| [16:20:52] | sphery: | janneg: You around? |
| [16:21:49] | TimothyP: | anybody any idea why mythtv can't get a loc on dvb-s channels while szap can, because google isn't helping at the moment |
| [16:21:51] | ** Beirdo pouts ** | |
| [16:22:02] | Beirdo: | stupid E4500 has 3 seemingly dead disks |
| [16:22:20] | juski: | heh. wondered why I'd not got an email about the commit I just made. I hadn't made it yet |
| [16:22:48] | sphery: | Beirdo: make sure you turn off the computer (or turn on the A/C) before opening it: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291543,00.html |
| [16:22:59] | juski: | TimothyP: did you import a channels.conf file or scan in mythtv-ssetup ? |
| [16:23:08] | Beirdo: | muh? |
| [16:23:09] | lexs: | if i go inte Schedueled Recordings i can see that it is recording and i press enter and then "Stop recording" but it doesnt stop :( |
| [16:23:27] | TimothyP: | I imported |
| [16:23:30] | TimothyP: | no good? |
| [16:23:35] | juski: | lexs: try deleting it from 'watch recordings' |
| [16:23:47] | Slyboots: | TimothyP: Check to make sure you have myth configured correctly |
| [16:23:50] | lexs: | but i dont want to delete it |
| [16:23:53] | lexs: | :( |
| [16:23:58] | sphery: | lexs: try stopping from watch recordings |
| [16:24:02] | TimothyP: | Slybook I have :) |
| [16:24:02] | Slyboots: | I had that issue where I had selected the card a as a V4L instead of a DVB card, which screwed everything up |
| [16:24:12] | TimothyP: | I used DVB |
| [16:24:20] | Slyboots: | No idea then ;) ^^ |
| [16:24:25] | Beirdo: | come on, you stupid drive, spin up! |
| [16:24:35] | TimothyP: | and aside from that I still have the usuall mythtv-backend crashes and the cannot connect to backend messages at random times :p |
| [16:24:40] | juski: | TimothyP: stop mythbackend, go into mythtv-setup, re-scan existing transports. that *should* work |
| [16:24:49] | Beirdo: | stupid busted SCA SCSI drives |
| [16:24:50] | TimothyP: | juski ok :d |
| [16:24:56] | juski: | and of course restart mythbackend afterwards |
| [16:25:28] | TimothyP: | :) |
| [16:25:35] | TimothyP: | is it normal only root can start/restart it? |
| [16:25:54] | juski: | only somebody with root privileges can start & stop init scripts, generally |
| [16:25:55] | sphery: | Normal (and desired) |
| [16:26:06] | TimothyP: | oh because a lot of the guides said that mythtv should do that |
| [16:26:06] | TimothyP: | :) |
| [16:26:26] | sphery: | IMHO, only root should be able to start it, but should start it as a non-root users (i.e. mythtv) |
| [16:26:54] | sphery: | That way, errant keystrokes won't cause you to miss a recording when it's accidentally shut down |
| [16:26:54] | TimothyP: | juski I did that scna thing it took les than 3 seconds is that normal? |
| [16:27:37] | juski: | TimothyP: doesn't sound right |
| [16:28:24] | TimothyP: | :d |
| [16:28:25] | lexs: | sphery: i cant find any stop recording option there |
| [16:28:26] | lexs: | :( |
| [16:28:36] | sphery: | TimothyP: might want to go into mythtv-setup and try Delete all capture cards (not Delete all capture cards on <hostname>) and Delete all video sources (again, must be Delete all), then reconfigure |
| [16:28:47] | sphery: | You may have garbage that prevents it from working |
| [16:28:59] | sphery: | lexs: Is the recording highlighted in a different color? |
| [16:29:08] | TimothyP: | ok hang on I'll do that, and am I allowed to import the channels.conf or should I use a different method? |
| [16:29:21] | lexs: | sphery: yes, purple |
| [16:29:27] | lexs: | almost pink |
| [16:29:35] | lexs: | or the text is that color |
| [16:29:42] | sphery: | TimothyP: I use mythtv to scan, because that works well with, er, mythtv |
| [16:30:12] | sphery: | lexs: OK, then when you highlight the recording (in the right column) and hit m is one of the options, "Stop Recording" |
| [16:30:52] | sphery: | lexs: If not, cancel out of the menu and highlight the recording and hit i and see if one of the options is "Stop Recording" |
| [16:31:02] | sphery: | It may also be in a sub-menu called, "Recording Options"... |
| [16:31:13] | sphery: | (These are old brain cells I'm relying on...) |
| [16:31:39] | TimothyP: | yes but I have to specify parameters for full scan (tuned) and I have no idea what thouse are |
| [16:32:38] | lexs: | sphery: in that submenu there is only "Edit recording", "show program", and "change recording title" |
| [16:32:42] | lexs: | nothing more |
| [16:33:07] | sphery: | TimothyP: Sorry. I don't know the scanning stuff well enought to help with that (I've done it exactly once in my life :). |
| [16:33:26] | TimothyP: | :d |
| [16:33:36] | TimothyP: | you lucky b**** :p |
| [16:33:57] | sphery: | OK, it's not in the Recording Options menu, it should be 2 items above that menu (above "Mark as Watched/Unwatched") |
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| [16:35:11] | sphery: | lexs: is the recording you're trying to stop a LiveTV recording? I.e. did you get it by going to Watch TV? |
| [16:35:40] | sphery: | If so, your frontend probably crashed and the backend thinks it's still watching LiveTV, so you would like to stop the recording. |
| [16:35:54] | crudpuppy: | I've had this issue before but can not seem to remember how to fix – pvr150 goto watch live tv and it creates the mpg file but then in frontend log says can't open it it with a (fd -1) |
| [16:36:02] | tcpsyn: | Anyone use mythphone? |
| [16:36:14] | lexs: | sphery: yeah, i was in watch tv, pushed r to record and the r to cancel |
| [16:36:15] | sphery: | lexs: But, if the backend thinks that the frontend is watching LiveTV, it won't provide the option to stop recording, so you'll have to shut down the backend to get it to stop. |
| [16:36:17] | lexs: | it worked fine |
| [16:36:39] | sphery: | So, you were able to cancel it? |
| [16:36:46] | lexs: | yes |
| [16:36:48] | sphery: | If so, it should have stopped recording. |
| [16:36:49] | lexs: | anyways |
| [16:36:57] | lexs: | it restarted the backend now |
| [16:37:13] | TimothyP: | another werid thing about mythbackend |
| [16:37:40] | TimothyP: | whenever you use /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart it says its not running but when you do /etc/init.d/mythtbackend start it says it's running |
| [16:37:44] | TimothyP: | been like this for as long as I can remember :s |
| [16:37:47] | lexs: | uh, i have recorded 24 minutes of HDTV |
| [16:37:47] | lexs: | :( |
| [16:38:34] | TimothyP: | still no lock .... |
| [16:38:35] | TimothyP: | brb |
| [16:38:41] | sphery: | Since the season ended, I've gone from 2.5TB of recorded HDTV down to 700GB of HDTV. |
| [16:39:37] | TimothyP: | I just got this as a solution to space problem: http://blogs.homelinux.org/entry/This+is+what . . . ok+like.aspx :p |
| [16:39:55] | TimothyP: | they are so cheap these days |
| [16:40:28] | sphery: | TimothyP: Don't know why that would happen. It's probably specific to your start scripts. You might get more help if you mention which distro you're using (and, if FC/RH, try upgrading to the most-current init script from SVN trunk: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . init_scripts ) |
| [16:40:49] | lexs: | im still kinda disturbed that i cant watch hdtv on a core 2 duo e6600 |
| [16:40:49] | sphery: | You'll need the sysconfig and init script |
| [16:41:04] | sphery: | lexs: what speed is that proc? |
| [16:41:09] | sphery: | Don't have my decoder ring with me. |
| [16:42:08] | TimothyP: | Ubuntu :d |
| [16:42:21] | TimothyP: | and i'm talking 6.04, 6.10, 7.04 and 7.10 :d |
| [16:42:30] | TimothyP: | I've used all of them over the last year |
| [16:42:32] | sphery: | I can watch 720p at 1.75x and 1080i at 1.35x with kernel deint on an Athlon X2 4800+ (2400MHz) with software decode (no XvMC). |
| [16:42:43] | TimothyP: | brb |
| [16:43:56] | lexs: | sphery: 2.4ghz |
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| [16:44:10] | lexs: | sphery: x264? |
| [16:44:11] | lexs: | or mpeg2 |
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| [16:44:54] | juski: | lexs: probably not h264 |
| [16:45:01] | olds: | I have a 2.66ghz Celeron D with 1GB of RAM that operates a frontend and backend, and it can display HDTV (1080p) with XVMC enabled |
| [16:45:07] | lexs: | my country use h264 |
| [16:45:08] | lexs: | :( |
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| [16:45:21] | lexs: | http://static.pici.se/pictures/sXBZdjils.jpg |
| [16:45:52] | juski: | lexs: you need a *lot* of cpu grunt to play h264. some people are using a hack with the coreavc codec ($$$) from windows. others are praying for real multithreaded playback to come to ffmpeg |
| [16:46:00] | olds: | lexs: that's cool |
| [16:46:04] | lexs: | :( |
| [16:46:15] | lexs: | i want to be able to play hdtv |
| [16:46:21] | olds: | it's very nice |
| [16:46:22] | olds: | :) |
| [16:46:43] | sphery: | lexs: juski's right. I'm talking MPEG-2. |
| [16:46:49] | olds: | too bad the only hdtv frontend I have (sort of) is my MacBook Pro |
| [16:46:52] | tcpsyn: | with qam, do channels need to be tuned? |
| [16:46:54] | lexs: | a 3ghz p4 would be too good in a htpc :( |
| [16:47:05] | lexs: | *wouldnt |
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| [16:47:24] | tcpsyn: | I just ordered a pc-hdtv 5500 |
| [16:47:56] | juski: | tcpsyn: channels don't get tuned with digital services – well not as such. channels are taken from a transponder (aka multiplex) – which needs to be tuned to. Each transponder can carry several channels |
| [16:47:59] | sphery: | lexs: "soon" we should have parallelized decoding in ffmpeg that should make any dual-core proc capable of doing H.264 playback. |
| [16:48:08] | sphery: | "soon" means within a year or so |
| [16:48:09] | lexs: | when is soon? |
| [16:48:25] | juski: | it's coming along nicely, I heard |
| [16:48:29] | sphery: | If ffmpeg gets it in time, it will be there for mythtv 0.21 |
| [16:48:40] | lexs: | eg is it okay to but together a e6600 htpc |
| [16:48:42] | sphery: | If not, you'll have to use SVN trunk after 0.21 |
| [16:48:44] | juski: | sphery: MIGHT be |
| [16:48:57] | lexs: | or should i go for a p4 |
| [16:49:03] | tcpsyn: | juski, er. I don't know if I understand. Will I just get good reception, or do I have to mess with it? |
| [16:49:25] | sphery: | lexs: I'd say a Core 2 will always be better than a P4 (NetBust) |
| [16:49:27] | juski: | tcpsyn: there's no fine tuning to do, if that's what you mean. digital is either there or it's not (mostly) |
| [16:49:36] | tcpsyn: | that's what I wanted to know. |
| [16:49:39] | sphery: | And, with the future parallelized decoding, a Core 2 Duo will be good. |
| [16:49:51] | tcpsyn: | juski, thought you weren't making a projectgrayhem-wide |
| [16:50:01] | juski: | tcpsyn: huh? |
| [16:50:10] | juski: | when have I ever said that? |
| [16:50:21] | tcpsyn: | Month ago? |
| [16:50:25] | juski: | I've said I won't ever make 4:3 versions of new themes |
| [16:50:27] | tcpsyn: | oh |
| [16:50:44] | juski: | EVER! E V E R !! muhahahahahahahaa. MUHAAHAHAHAHA |
| [16:50:50] | ** sphery is glad juski has a widescreen TV ** | |
| [16:51:03] | tcpsyn: | me too. greyhem rocks. |
| [16:51:18] | lexs: | sphery: ill go with a e6600 then, i can always transcode hdtv :) |
| [16:51:24] | juski: | you seen the shots of aeroic-wide yet (working title btw) ? |
| [16:51:39] | sphery: | lexs: That's a good plan for the short term (assuming you don't record too much of it) |
| [16:51:41] | juski: | it's not far from being ready for unleash |
| [16:51:50] | sphery: | I want to see it!!! |
| [16:52:00] | lexs: | we only have a (test) hd channel here |
| [16:52:25] | juski: | sphery: the shots are on my site |
| [16:52:38] | ** sphery goes to juski's site ** | |
| [16:52:52] | TimothyP: | I think I know what the problem is |
| [16:52:58] | TimothyP: | but it's not mythtv related |
| [16:53:03] | TimothyP: | going to #linuxtv |
| [16:53:11] | lexs: | #linuxtv |
| [16:53:13] | lexs: | wtf |
| [16:53:14] | lexs: | :( |
| [16:53:21] | sphery: | juski: Are you in the LugRadioLive pic? |
| [16:53:28] | juski: | sphery: nope |
| [16:53:40] | lexs: | oh, i can always overclock my e6600 |
| [16:53:46] | sphery: | Oh. Thought I could finally get a chance to put a face with the name |
| [16:53:47] | lexs: | and then use speedstep |
| [16:53:48] | lexs: | <3 |
| [16:53:57] | sphery: | (or a back of the head, as the case may be) |
| [16:54:14] | tcpsyn: | No use flags in ubuntu huh... anyone here know where to set my arch flag? |
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| [16:54:33] | juski: | sphery: if you can track me down on facebook I'm on there |
| [16:54:36] | sphery: | juski: I love aeroic wide. A friend of mine just did up a curtain behind his HDTV that looks exactly like that. |
| [16:54:50] | sphery: | That might be enough to get him to start using Myth... |
| [16:55:22] | juski: | the gimmick is that it's intended to work with a variety of backgrounds |
| [16:55:36] | juski: | making qtlook.txt more neutral could be tricky |
| [16:57:29] | sphery: | I like the idea. May be enough to satisfy another friend who pines over the loss of visor. |
| [16:57:41] | juski: | jeez. poor guy |
| [16:57:49] | sphery: | There's no accounting for taste. |
| [16:57:57] | jams: | hey i liked visor |
| [16:58:02] | sphery: | Guess he has his head in the clounds... |
| [16:58:11] | sphery: | s/clounds/clouds |
| [16:58:14] | jams: | the osd was awful |
| [17:01:27] | TimothyP: | well that didn't solve the problem, I figured it was access rights, but that's not it either |
| [17:02:06] | lexs: | sphery: you have any url of that h264 decoder hacking? |
| [17:02:27] | zigovr: | ok, I modified the sql videosource to swap my two sources, not the Y key doesn't switch source anymore, any idea what could be wrong ? |
| [17:02:33] | tjcarter: | okay, gimme component capture in a PCI(e) slot or give me Cablecard in a PCI(e) slot! Damn you Hauppauge! |
| [17:02:40] | tjcarter: | </rant> |
| [17:02:58] | zigovr: | (fixing typos) ok, I modified the sql videosource table to swap my two sources, now the Y key doesn't switch source anymore, any idea what could be wrong ? |
| [17:03:20] | juski: | tjcarter: yeah, like you're gonna be able to squish 1.5gbits/sec to a form you can easily store, with even modern cpus, in real time |
| [17:03:55] | tjcarter: | juski: Cablecard? |
| [17:04:20] | sphery: | lexs: No. There are posts on the ffmpeg list that contain patches. However, even if you were to patch your system ffmpeg, it won't affect Myth (which uses its own customized version). |
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| [17:04:29] | tjcarter: | juski: and why not, you can get DV bridges that will input component. |
| [17:04:44] | lexs: | sphery: yeah, but you talked about using a windows codec |
| [17:04:50] | lexs: | what was the name again? |
| [17:04:52] | juski: | tjcarter: because DV is mjpeg, and mjpeg eats HDD space |
| [17:04:58] | juski: | lexs: that was I. coreavc |
| [17:05:12] | lexs: | juski: oh, sorry :) |
| [17:05:15] | sphery: | lexs: that was juski, in my worlds, CoreAVC doesn't exist (nor do people that use it :) |
| [17:05:40] | lexs: | yeah, ill rather go with the overclocking option |
| [17:05:52] | tjcarter: | juski: that's what transcoders are for. |
| [17:06:09] | sphery: | Overclocking probably won't get you there. |
| [17:06:22] | tjcarter: | although, I do much prefer hardware encoders because I am not a fan of Myth's modified nuv.. |
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| [17:06:44] | tjcarter: | Cablecard seems to be the way to go. |
| [17:07:28] | sphery: | tjcarter: you realize that--assuming you can do the colorspace conversion in realtime to get 12-bit color (and that's a big challenge for today's general-purpose CPU's), we're talking 315GB/hr |
| [17:07:53] | tjcarter: | sphery: for Cablecard? |
| [17:08:40] | tjcarter: | Cablecard should give you an MPEG stream just like the ATSC encoders that support clear QAM. |
| [17:08:51] | lexs: | sphery: the e6600 can be overclocked to 3ghz stable |
| [17:08:52] | lexs: | i think |
| [17:09:10] | sphery: | No, I'm talking component capture without hardware encoder |
| [17:09:31] | juski: | tjcarter: you're forgetting that cable card $stuff is locked down to specific hardware – i.e. the base machine |
| [17:09:33] | tjcarter: | well I would want the hardware encoder ;) |
| [17:09:34] | sphery: | lexs: But I'd still be surprised if a 3GHz Core 2 could handle it... |
| [17:09:55] | tjcarter: | dammit, I never claimed to be reasonable. |
| [17:10:05] | lexs: | well, as i said i can almost watch it in mplayer |
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| [17:10:12] | tjcarter: | I'm just sick of capturing HD content at 720x480 |
| [17:10:20] | lexs: | with like 80–100% cpu |
| [17:10:21] | sphery: | tjcarter: component capture is definitely possible with an ASIC, but still rather expensive |
| [17:10:38] | sphery: | I'd say give it 3–5years... |
| [17:11:03] | lexs: | actually, i can watch it just fine |
| [17:11:22] | tjcarter: | especially since it is pillarboxed on my Mac regardless of what I do, then letterboxed by my cablebox on S-Video output, then possibly pillarboxed again by the channel. |
| [17:11:23] | lexs: | seems like it peaks at 80% cpu |
| [17:11:57] | sphery: | There was a time when real-time playback of 480p60 (720x480@60fps) wasn't possible with a general-purpose CPU (and that's the only reason for the existence of--and the only use for--the Hauppauge PVR-350). |
| [17:12:07] | sphery: | lexs: cool. Might be the way to go. |
| [17:12:10] | tjcarter: | If I could fix the pillarboxing on my Mac, I would be somewhat less annoyed. |
| [17:12:58] | tjcarter: | But I have yet to ever get a working toolchain that can build Myth frontend on a Mac.. |
| [17:13:18] | tjcarter: | Qt == nightmare |
| [17:13:31] | lexs: | yeah, and if i get the realtime underclocking (speedstep) to work i wont have to go with overdimensioned cooling :) |
| [17:15:02] | lexs: | uh, intel has a multithreaded h264 decoder :( |
| [17:15:27] | sphery: | juski: Your commit message will make it impossible to undo the change... Users "know" that hardcoding is bad, so they'll never let you change it back. |
| [17:15:36] | juski: | sphery: so? |
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| [17:16:06] | sphery: | Probably not a big deal if you don't plan to change it back. Just imaging all the people saying, "I can't believe it was hardcoded." |
| [17:16:37] | juski: | let them eat cake! |
| [17:18:22] | tjcarter: | sphery: As for component capture in 3–5 years, I assume that by then Component will have gone the way of the dodo and been replaced by HDCP'd HDMI completely, with broadcast flag for all content. |
| [17:18:39] | tjcarter: | sphery: I'm a non-trusting sort ;) |
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| [17:19:55] | tjcarter: | HDCP is broken routinely by small-production-run devices made in places where enterprising people have access to the parts on a quiet basis, but are generally only available to enthusiasts and prosumers.. |
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| [17:20:10] | tcpsyn: | hrm. |
| [17:20:18] | tjcarter: | Those parts that were available to anyone have ceased to be available to anyone. |
| [17:20:19] | tcpsyn: | I'm trying to compile svn.. |
| [17:20:23] | tcpsyn: | and no love.. |
| [17:20:25] | tcpsyn: | error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [17:20:52] | olds: | what distro |
| [17:20:55] | tcpsyn: | ubuntu |
| [17:20:59] | olds: | yup |
| [17:21:12] | Slyboots: | Oink. |
| [17:21:16] | tcpsyn: | whats I gotsta do |
| [17:21:21] | Slyboots: | Install libmythtv |
| [17:21:29] | Slyboots: | sudo apt-get install libmythtv |
| [17:21:29] | olds: | sudo nano /etc/ld.so.conf |
| [17:21:32] | Slyboots: | :D |
| [17:21:38] | olds: | add this to that file: |
| [17:21:39] | olds: | /usr/local/lib |
| [17:21:47] | olds: | then type "ldconfig" |
| [17:21:52] | olds: | you are done |
| [17:22:10] | juski: | whoah. nobody admits to using nano here, lest the trolls get em |
| [17:22:17] | ** Slyboots uses vim, Nano blows ** | |
| [17:22:19] | tcpsyn: | heh |
| [17:22:21] | tcpsyn: | nano |
| [17:22:21] | olds: | it's on the wiki |
| [17:22:28] | olds: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . buntu_Breezy |
| [17:22:32] | ** olds knows how to copy and paste ** | |
| [17:22:38] | Slyboots: | I hated vim at first, but its not actuly that bad |
| [17:22:57] | juski: | now my regex-fu is improving I might take another snifter at vi |
| [17:22:59] | olds: | did that work tcpsyn? |
| [17:23:31] | ** mkrufky uses nano, and the trolls can fump themselves ** | |
| [17:23:38] | tcpsyn: | yep |
| [17:23:51] | olds: | cool |
| [17:23:53] | tcpsyn: | thanks man |
| [17:23:57] | fryfrog: | did you compile myth on your own? |
| [17:24:00] | olds: | np, I had the same problem |
| [17:24:02] | tcpsyn: | slyboots, vi is critical. |
| [17:24:08] | tcpsyn: | fryfrog, yes. |
| [17:24:10] | fryfrog: | you could also have done ./configure with --prefix=/usr |
| [17:24:19] | olds: | that is the other option :) |
| [17:24:20] | tjcarter: | vim is critical. vi you can keep. |
| [17:24:35] | tjcarter: | Granted, everyone should know enough basic vi to handle system repair |
| [17:24:58] | juski: | i |
| [17:24:58] | juski: | d |
| [17:24:59] | Slyboots: | hRight, I need to figure out why listing data is not working for me.. |
| [17:25:01] | juski: | wq! |
| [17:25:21] | Slyboots: | If I use the "Over-the-Air" data, I dont get any schedual infomatino past the current showing |
| [17:25:57] | Slyboots: | If I use the uk_rt xmltv grabber, I get schedualing, but the channels dont work I have my "actual" channels, then fake ones with the listing data |
| [17:26:45] | mkrufky: | Slyboots: you can edit the channel configuration via mythweb and move those channel ids around such that the schedule data hits the real channels instead of the fake ones |
| [17:26:55] | Slyboots: | Hm |
| [17:27:39] | sphery: | tjcarter: I agree about the HDCP. |
| [17:27:48] | Slyboots: | Will take a look about that |
| [17:28:22] | sphery: | And I also hate the fact that the audio connection I want (8-channel PCM audio) is only available in HDMI 1.3+ since I hate HDMI because of the HDCP. |
| [17:28:56] | Slyboots: | heh, my card only does Mono :P |
| [17:29:33] | sphery: | Yeah, but you could copy that one channel to 8. :) |
| [17:29:59] | Slyboots: | ... What would be the point in that |
| [17:30:07] | sphery: | Slyboots: the problem with your listings is that you have 2 sets of channels. You need to match up the xmltvid's (from uk_rt) with channels from your scan. |
| [17:30:23] | Slyboots: | sphery: *nods* Im trying to find out how to do that now |
| [17:30:38] | sphery: | To clean up the DB, you'll want to do a "Delete all video sources" (and it has to be a "Delete all video sources"--deleting them individually won't work) |
| [17:30:45] | sphery: | Then, do a scan. |
| [17:30:53] | Slyboots: | Right..? |
| [17:31:04] | sphery: | Then, download listings to an XML file using tv_grab_uk_rt |
| [17:31:46] | sphery: | Then, look at the channel mappings in the XML file and match callsigns/xmltv with the channels in the DB using mythtv-setup or MythWeb's channel editor. |
| [17:32:00] | ** lexs hopes that intel ipp threaded h264 decoder will compile ** | |
| [17:32:01] | sphery: | callsigns/xmltvid |
| [17:32:38] | Slyboots: | Right..; |
| [17:32:40] | sphery: | I'm sure it compiles with the Intel compiler (like you'd ever see that on my systems). |
| [17:32:43] | tjcarter: | sphery: for a couple hundred dollars and some insider connections on the AVS forum, probably you could get a device that successfully kills the HDCP. |
| [17:32:59] | lexs: | sphery: actually, you can specify gcc to be used :) |
| [17:33:14] | sphery: | And a conviction under the DMCA, too, right? |
| [17:33:51] | sphery: | lexs: Cool. I didn't think Intel acknowledged its existence (other than in their benchmarketing materials). |
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| [17:33:57] | lexs: | :) |
| [17:34:10] | Slyboots: | vOkay, Grabbed a fresh xmltv file, and rescanned for channels |
| [17:34:13] | lexs: | "To build sample you could use scripts listed below. The Intel® Ñ++ 9.1 Compiler for Linux* will be used by default. If you wish to use Intel® C++ 10.0 Compiler, Intel® C++ 9.0 Compiler or GCC compilers set a option according table below:" |
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| [17:35:59] | Slyboots: | Okay, Channel scan complete |
| [17:37:57] | Slyboots: | Uh, So how do I alter the xlmtv / mythtv callsigns from mythtv-setup |
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| [17:39:48] | sphery: | Slyboots: channel editor |
| [17:39:52] | sphery: | then select the channel |
| [17:40:02] | sphery: | the xmltvid may be on page 2 of the channel settings |
| [17:40:04] | sphery: | (don't remember) |
| [17:40:38] | tjcarter: | Ñ++ compiler? |
| [17:41:07] | Slyboots: | Well there is only one page.. |
| [17:41:21] | Slyboots: | I can change the Name, Callsign, and a few other bits and bobs |
| [17:41:48] | Slyboots: | Right, so I just edit so they both match up |
| [17:42:22] | lexs: | tjcarter: thats what is says :c |
| [17:42:43] | lexs: | i should probably be C++ |
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| [17:43:44] | Slyboots: | So I want to edit .mythtv/****.xmltv ? |
| [17:43:48] | sphery: | Slyboots: there's a second page. You have to hit the Next button (which may be hidden) |
| [17:44:11] | sphery: | the ~/.mythtv/*.xmltv configures xmltv to only download listings for those channels you want |
| [17:44:14] | Slyboots: | .. The only buttons are "Back" and "Finish" |
| [17:45:05] | Slyboots: | There is a list of the channels, selecting one brings up some settings about its name, callsign and a few other settings (Comercial free station and whatnot) thats pretty much it |
| [17:45:13] | tjcarter: | lexs: Nah, it's part of this push to make Spanish the unofficially official second language of the United States. Old guard English speakers use C++. Modern progressive Spanish speakers and Bilingual people use Ñ++. |
| [17:45:36] | lexs: | :c |
| [17:45:55] | tjcarter: | Ñ++ is more better because it's bilingual and supports keywords in both languages! |
| [17:46:01] | ** Slyboots should point out Im running the mythtv from the ubuntu rep, so Im not sure if its the latest svn ** | |
| [17:46:18] | juski: | Slyboots: roflmao. it's about as old as me |
| [17:46:58] | Slyboots: | 0.20-svn20 |
| [17:47:16] | juski: | there's an svn repo now?! |
| [17:47:23] | tjcarter: | It also have grammar less strict for people with not much school. |
| [17:48:02] | Slyboots: | Version : 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 |
| [17:48:06] | Slyboots: | tahts from the offical repo |
| [17:49:32] | tjcarter: | it also adds things like tristate booleans.. Now you can assign true (or sure, okay, sounds_good, etc), false (or no_way, nah, etc), and a new third state whatever_man.. |
| [17:49:38] | juski: | Slyboots: run mythfrontend --version & get a surprise |
| [17:50:01] | tjcarter: | Ñ++ is the future of programming, and Intel will bring it to you! |
| [17:50:19] | juski: | tjcarter: you can't have a tristate boolean. booleans are either 1 or 0 damnit. you can have a tristate 'thing' though |
| [17:50:51] | tjcarter: | juski: probably you don't want to hear about floating point booleans in QuakeC? |
| [17:50:52] | bill2or3: | "maybe" |
| [17:51:07] | juski: | facking charlatans |
| [17:51:22] | tjcarter: | all numbers are floating point, and booleans are numbers, therefore booleans are floating point. |
| [17:51:37] | bill2or3: | I cant argue with logic like that. |
| [17:51:40] | bill2or3: | you win! |
| [17:51:40] | juski: | and this is now officially annoying |
| [17:52:10] | tjcarter: | They are still evaluated to 0 or not 0, but you can assign meaning to certain values of not 0 that weren't intended by the original developers =D |
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| [17:52:57] | tjcarter: | "...and I think I saw a two!" "Aww Bender, you know there's no such thing as two..." |
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| [17:54:18] | tjcarter: | bill2or3: generally, this is why we considered QuakeC to be batshit-insane ;) |
| [17:54:38] | Slyboots: | version 0.20.20060828–3 |
| [17:55:20] | juski: | Slyboots: see – old as them thar hills |
| [17:55:29] | Slyboots: | heh |
| [17:55:49] | tjcarter: | even my antique Mac frontend is newer than that. |
| [17:55:53] | tjcarter: | (Octoberish) |
| [17:55:58] | Slyboots: | So what. Should build from svn? |
| [17:56:18] | juski: | if you built -fixes today it'd say 0.20.200714120 or so |
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| [17:56:58] | ** Slyboots nods ** | |
| [17:57:08] | juski: | wait that's wrong – anyway that was built on 28 august last year. a LOT has been put into -fixes since then |
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| [17:59:17] | tcpsyn: | now... when I compile the svn plugins.. |
| [17:59:19] | tcpsyn: | error: mythtv/mythpluginapi.h: No such file or directory |
| [17:59:26] | tcpsyn: | wheres that file come from |
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| [18:00:01] | juski: | tcpsyn: you've installed mythtv that you just built, didn't you? |
| [18:00:14] | tcpsyn: | yes. |
| [18:00:39] | juski: | ach well |
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| [18:03:48] | tcpsyn: | error: mythtv/mythpluginapi.h: No such file or directory./mythtv/libs/libmyth/mythpluginapi.h |
| [18:03:57] | tcpsyn: | I've got it there. |
| [18:04:06] | ** Slyboots pulls out myth via apt and builds from svn then ** | |
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| [18:10:29] | tcpsyn: | I don't know where it's looking for mythpluginapi.h |
| [18:10:59] | tcpsyn: | I tried putting it into /svn/myth and /svn/mythplugins/myth and /svn/myth/mythplugins |
| [18:11:02] | tcpsyn: | no love |
| [18:11:33] | Beirdo: | did you "make install" mythtv before trying to build the plugins? |
| [18:12:31] | tcpsyn: | yes. |
| [18:12:41] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [18:12:56] | Beirdo: | not sure then, should work |
| [18:13:14] | tcpsyn: | I had this same problem the last time I tried to compile from svn |
| [18:13:22] | tcpsyn: | from trunk |
| [18:13:24] | tcpsyn: | fixes works |
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| [18:28:36] | Slyboots: | So I just download mythtv viv svn then compile |
| [18:28:48] | Slyboots: | That will get me the latest bells&whistelsn version with added fixes? |
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| [18:32:33] | GreyFoxx: | Slyboots: It's synced to trunk as of July 30th or 31st |
| [18:32:43] | GreyFoxx: | so it has everything trunk has as of that day |
| [18:33:10] | GreyFoxx: | one warning though (I switched to it yesterday) |
| [18:33:21] | GreyFoxx: | install mythtv, then myththemes, then recompile mythplugins |
| [18:33:27] | GreyFoxx: | then start the backend/frontend |
| [18:33:35] | GreyFoxx: | otherwise some stuff might segfauklt |
| [18:34:06] | Slyboots: | Well I've not got anything installed |
| [18:34:09] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [18:34:58] | Slyboots: | So Mythtv, then the themes, then the plugins.. then start the backend |
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| [18:36:54] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [18:37:01] | GreyFoxx: | I'd install myththemes and themes |
| [18:38:16] | Slyboots: | ? |
| [18:38:32] | Slyboots: | Well its going to take a while to compile either way, 2ghz processer |
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| [18:41:28] | GreyFoxx: | there are 2 theme sections |
| [18:41:37] | GreyFoxx: | "myththemes" and "themes" |
| [18:41:43] | GreyFoxx: | so if you want them all you need to install both :) |
| [18:41:52] | Slyboots: | Oh right, I just downloaded myththemes |
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| [18:57:06] | ** Slyboots watches myth compile.. fun.. ** | |
| [18:57:11] | Slyboots: | So how do I download these other "themes" |
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| [19:01:52] | GreyFoxx: | svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/myththemes |
| [19:01:57] | GreyFoxx: | svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/themes |
| [19:02:03] | GreyFoxx: | those will check them out as well |
| [19:02:20] | Slyboots: | right, thats what I suspected |
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| [19:06:07] | Slyboots: | finaly, Make completed :) |
| [19:06:14] | Slyboots: | Now to checkinstall.. |
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| [19:09:11] | tcpsyn: | fantastic... the server uses network protocol version 31 but this client only understnads version 35. |
| [19:09:29] | tcpsyn: | can I upgrade my backend without losing my settings? |
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| [19:09:53] | sphery: | Slyboots: did you find the xmltvid? (Sorry, got distracted helping family with computers.) |
| [19:10:16] | sphery: | It is on page 1 (page 2 is only there for V4L settings--which don't apply to DVB cards). |
| [19:10:37] | sphery: | And, it's only shown if you don't select "EIT only" as your grabber. |
| [19:10:57] | sphery: | BTW, it's called "XMLTV ID" |
| [19:11:19] | sphery: | (I should say, only enabled if ...) |
| [19:11:33] | Slyboots: | I never did |
| [19:11:45] | sphery: | Did you specify EIT only for your video source? |
| [19:11:45] | Slyboots: | Im building myth from the SVN instead of the default ubuntu packages |
| [19:11:50] | lexs: | sphery: where do you select EIT only? |
| [19:11:50] | Slyboots: | No |
| [19:11:54] | laga: | tcpsyn: i'd think so. maybe you have to re-scan if you're using atsc/dvb |
| [19:11:55] | sphery: | video source |
| [19:12:18] | lexs: | as my country have good EIT i dont really need xmltv :) |
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| [19:12:38] | Slyboots: | the EIT her kind of sucks |
| [19:13:05] | sphery: | Well, it should be on the channel page (in either trunk or 0.20-fixes). If nothing else, you can set it in MythWeb's channel editor (you can let your browser find it for you there :) |
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| [19:13:27] | sphery: | Slyboots: Yeah, in the US, you're better off not using EIT at all. |
| [19:13:33] | lexs: | :P |
| [19:13:34] | sphery: | (I'm in the US--don't know about you) |
| [19:13:45] | lexs: | i dont know how many days the EIT covers though |
| [19:13:49] | lexs: | must check :) |
| [19:13:52] | Slyboots: | UK |
| [19:14:02] | Slyboots: | we get a a few hours in advance :P |
| [19:14:04] | Slyboots: | thats about it |
| [19:14:22] | Slyboots: | Well, actuly Im not 100% the only other freeview box we get does not offer any kind of listing storage |
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| [19:16:20] | lexs: | seems like we have 1.5 days here |
| [19:16:34] | lexs: | can you use both xmltv and EIT? |
| [19:16:44] | lexs: | so it prefers EIT |
| [19:17:34] | Slyboots: | Uh... |
| [19:17:39] | Slyboots: | slyboots@Mythbox:~/mythsrc/myththemes$ ./configure |
| [19:17:39] | Slyboots: | Project ERROR: Please run ./configure |
| [19:17:41] | Slyboots: | what the heck? |
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| [19:18:41] | sphery: | lexs: though you can use both xmltv and EIT, you may not want to. |
| [19:18:45] | Aval0n-: | hey guys are there any known videos cards that mythtv can use hdmi out? |
| [19:18:48] | lexs: | sphery: why? |
| [19:18:50] | sphery: | they constantly fight over the content of the listings |
| [19:18:58] | lexs: | :( |
| [19:19:02] | sphery: | throws off dup matching |
| [19:19:15] | fryfrog: | Aval0n-: any video card with a DVI port (basically all of the newish ones) can do HDMI |
| [19:19:19] | sphery: | (although from what I hear dup matching is hit or miss with EIT, anyway) |
| [19:19:28] | Aval0n-: | with a converter? |
| [19:19:35] | fryfrog: | a $5–10 DVI -> HDMI cable will do ya. HDMI *is* DVI, with a different connector and audio thrown in |
| [19:19:45] | lexs: | Aval0n-: msi 7300 has hdmi |
| [19:19:45] | Aval0n-: | i wasn't sure if the generic linux glx nvidia driver enabled the DVI port or HDMI port |
| [19:19:45] | Slyboots: | Uh.. what the heck is wrong with this thing |
| [19:19:49] | fryfrog: | Aval0n-: not converter, DVI and HDMI are pin-compatible |
| [19:19:53] | lexs: | thats what i'll be buying |
| [19:20:06] | Aval0n-: | right |
| [19:20:06] | fryfrog: | What I *don't* think it can do is HDCP? |
| [19:20:10] | sphery: | lexs: stuarta is working on EIT quite a bit and hopes to make use of both XMLTV and EIT possible without all its current downsides |
| [19:20:18] | lexs: | nice |
| [19:20:22] | Slyboots: | I cant instlal themes.. o.o |
| [19:20:27] | lexs: | ill stick to just xmltv for now then |
| [19:20:42] | Aval0n-: | sinec video cards won't give audio out of the hdmi signal, is there a little cable that will allow me to take my DVI to HDMI then add 2 channel audio? |
| [19:20:43] | lexs: | seems like it is kinda good: http://tvguide.swedb.se/tv |
| [19:21:05] | lexs: | Aval0n-: have you bought your caard yet? |
| [19:21:30] | Aval0n-: | no |
| [19:21:39] | Aval0n-: | i am researching as much as possible before I do |
| [19:21:57] | Aval0n-: | i did buy a kglobe 115 and 2 pvr 150's |
| [19:22:18] | lexs: | most (if not all) motherboards have a little header that you connect with a cable to a connector on the graphics card (if it has hdmi) |
| [19:22:45] | Aval0n-: | you are kidding |
| [19:22:47] | Aval0n-: | that's AWESOME |
| [19:22:59] | Aval0n-: | I'll make sure that I buy a motherboard and vid card that has that... |
| [19:23:00] | lexs: | like, i will buy: http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodd . . . ;cat2_no=170 |
| [19:23:15] | lexs: | and it has it: "1 x S/SPDIF out connector" |
| [19:23:24] | lexs: | and the video card has it as well |
| [19:23:32] | lexs: | the cable is included too :) |
| [19:24:01] | Aval0n-: | that have onbard hdmi? |
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| [19:24:38] | sphery: | lexs: Seen any MB's/video/sound cards that support HDMI's 8-channel uncompressed PCM? |
| [19:24:53] | lexs: | hm, i dont know |
| [19:24:55] | DanielHolth: | Would it be normal to have to recompile mythtv-0.20-svn to get XvMC on an nVIDIA GeForce MX 420 working? It complains about invalid parameters to the xvmc setup... |
| [19:25:18] | lexs: | Aval0n-: ill dig up a link to the video card |
| [19:25:19] | lexs: | sec |
| [19:25:22] | sphery: | DanielHolth: 0.20-fixes SVN or trunk SVN? |
| [19:25:23] | Slyboots: | Right, uh.. something has gone very wrong o.o |
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| [19:25:38] | DanielHolth: | sphery it's whatever I got from ubuntu |
| [19:25:55] | tcpsyn: | QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::newData(QString, units_t, DataMap) to WeatherScreen::newData(QString, units_t, DataMap) |
| [19:26:00] | tcpsyn: | anyone know about that? |
| [19:26:03] | sphery: | if it's packaged, it should just work (where "should" is in the general sense--I don't use Ubuntu) |
| [19:26:11] | DanielHolth: | with my "linux-supported" card that includes a version of xine that doesn't compile, very disappointing. |
| [19:26:27] | Aval0n-: | cool |
| [19:26:32] | lexs: | Aval0n-: http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=68716 |
| [19:26:36] | sphery: | DanielHolth: the xine from pchdtv? |
| [19:26:43] | DanielHolth: | yes |
| [19:26:52] | sphery: | Hmmm. I've never used it. Didn't see a reason to. |
| [19:27:00] | Aval0n-: | cool I saw that card for 73 bux |
| [19:27:13] | Aval0n-: | and it has a pins for audio for HDMI |
| [19:27:14] | Aval0n-: | ? |
| [19:27:16] | sphery: | Of course, I just play back captured files, rather than "live" TV through xine |
| [19:27:16] | lexs: | tcpsyn: qt error |
| [19:27:27] | tcpsyn: | lexs, it's on the trunk mythweather. |
| [19:27:31] | tcpsyn: | Do you know how I can fix it? |
| [19:27:54] | sphery: | tcpsyn: Are you sure you have all your Perl pre-req's (there's a lot of new ones in the new MythWeather) |
| [19:28:08] | tcpsyn: | sphery, I'm not sure |
| [19:28:14] | tcpsyn: | I didn't complain in compilation |
| [19:28:18] | lexs: | i dont understand why it says (null):: |
| [19:28:22] | lexs: | a class cant be null :( |
| [19:28:32] | sphery: | Are you getting Perl errors in the frontend log when you run it? |
| [19:28:33] | Aval0n-: | and it has a pins for audio for HDMI?lexs: |
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| [19:29:06] | Aval0n-: | sorry my connection was screwy for a sec |
| [19:29:17] | Aval0n-: | lexs: that card has the pins on it for HDMI audio? |
| [19:29:22] | lexs: | yah |
| [19:29:23] | lexs: | awit |
| [19:29:28] | lexs: | http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodd . . . ;cat2_no=136 |
| [19:30:22] | sphery: | Says it supports 8-channel PCM audio, but it doesn't say where to get it... |
| [19:30:56] | lexs: | sphery: what do you mean? |
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| [19:31:32] | lexs: | Aval0n-: you see at the bottom of the page it has a internal spdif cable included |
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| [19:31:42] | lexs: | so it must have a spdif conenctor |
| [19:31:44] | sphery: | I'd guess you'd need an 8-channel sound card connected to the video card, but the S/PDIF connectors on sound cards/motherboards only support 2-channel PCM or multi-channel compressed audio (AC-3/DTS) |
| [19:31:49] | Aval0n-: | excellent |
| [19:32:00] | sphery: | So, I'm wondering how you can get 8-channel PCM to the card |
| [19:32:46] | Aval0n-: | fantastic lexs you've sealed the card that i'm buying thanks man |
| [19:32:52] | Aval0n-: | that card good enough to play WoW? |
| [19:32:56] | sphery: | S/PDIF is amazingly old tech (and I'm surprised it's lasted that long) |
| [19:33:17] | lexs: | Aval0n-: i guess |
| [19:33:20] | lexs: | or i know |
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| [19:33:29] | lexs: | as i have a 7300 in my desktop computer |
| [19:33:34] | lexs: | and it plays wow |
| [19:33:42] | Aval0n-: | excellent |
| [19:34:06] | Aval0n-: | thanks a lot i'll see ya later |
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| [19:34:26] | lexs: | sphery: why do you need PCM 8-channel sound? |
| [19:34:36] | sphery: | lexs: It would be really cool if there were a way it could pull the PCM from PCIe |
| [19:34:40] | Slyboots: | Damn, this is seriously not going well |
| [19:34:46] | Slyboots: | I cant build the theme packages |
| [19:34:57] | Slyboots: | And if I run mythtv-setup, it floods the terminal with SQL errors |
| [19:35:10] | Slyboots: | "SqlQuery: exec: database not open |
| [19:35:16] | sphery: | lexs: I primarily have a problem with decompressing AC-3, speeding it up, and recompressing it (since AC-3 and DTS are both lossy) |
| [19:35:32] | Slyboots: | Access deined fro user mythtv@localhost' ((using password: YES")) |
| [19:35:38] | sphery: | It's a "do it right if I'm going to do it" thing (even though I'll never be able to hear a difference) |
| [19:35:48] | lexs: | :) |
| [19:35:49] | Slyboots: | Oh right, I have to add the database.sql file dont I |
| [19:35:56] | sphery: | I use timestretch for most everything I watch |
| [19:36:15] | sphery: | Slyboots: mc.sql, right |
| [19:36:23] | sphery: | or, I mean, right, mc.sql |
| [19:36:25] | Slyboots: | hm.. |
| [19:36:33] | lexs: | sphery: why? :> |
| [19:36:37] | sphery: | Unless you're importing an old DB |
| [19:36:38] | Slyboots: | I was just followeding the Ubuntu guide and it made no mention of it :P |
| [19:37:03] | sphery: | sounds like some wiki work is required... |
| [19:37:46] | lexs: | i want nvidia to implement hardware h264 decoding in the gpu |
| [19:37:51] | lexs: | as on windows |
| [19:38:00] | Slyboots: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . buntu_Breezy |
| [19:38:06] | Slyboots: | Thats the guide Im using :P |
| [19:38:16] | Slyboots: | Aint that cute.. BUT ITS WRONG!! |
| [19:38:19] | Slyboots: | :D |
| [19:38:20] | sphery: | lexs: Shows get too boring at 1x. At 1.75x, you get through your TV much faster. |
| [19:38:27] | lexs: | hehe |
| [19:38:37] | lexs: | sphery: can you send me a show at the speed? |
| [19:38:40] | lexs: | so i can try |
| [19:38:54] | Slyboots: | Also.. I have a major weird problem when I try to build the plugins, or themes |
| [19:39:05] | sphery: | We actually need someone to write a library that uses OpenGL GLSL to decode H.264 on the GPU (because there aren't really any X API's appropriate for it). |
| [19:39:25] | lexs: | that would be cool |
| [19:39:28] | sphery: | (though it could be shoehorned into XvMC, I think XvMC should just die...) |
| [19:39:40] | Slyboots: | When I run "./configure" Iget "Project ERROR: Please run .configure" |
| [19:39:43] | Slyboots: | So uh.. |
| [19:39:49] | Slyboots: | Im not quite sure what the heck is up with that |
| [19:40:05] | lexs: | Slyboots: maybe some dep that requires ./configure? |
| [19:40:12] | lexs: | in a subdir |
| [19:40:12] | sphery: | And since GLSL would be a standard that's not vendor-dependent (althouth the pixel shader code would likely be even GPU dependent), it's "cleaner" |
| [19:40:17] | Slyboots: | lexs: what do you mean..\ |
| [19:40:51] | lexs: | the configure script may try run some script in a dep dir (im just guessing) |
| [19:41:02] | Slyboots: | for the themes? |
| [19:41:07] | lexs: | no idea :) |
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| [19:41:45] | sphery: | Slyboots: TTBOMK, that message isn't coming from the configure script. |
| [19:41:57] | Slyboots: | lol, what the thell is TTBOMK? |
| [19:42:14] | sphery: | perhaps from qmake (since qmake runs on the project file myththemes.pro) |
| [19:42:27] | sphery: | To The Best Of My Knowledge |
| [19:42:37] | Slyboots: | ah |
| [19:42:53] | sphery: | configure runs qmake |
| [19:43:14] | sphery: | so, it seem slike something about your configure is messed up so only the qmake gets run... |
| [19:44:03] | sphery: | And, BTW, you are running the configure in the top-level dirs, right (mythtv, mythplugins, myththemes), not in subdirs |
| [19:44:43] | sphery: | guess so (they've removed the ones from subdirs :) |
| [19:45:31] | Slyboots: | yup |
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| [19:54:14] | lexs: | i wonder if mythtv can control my IPTV box that i got from my broadband supplier :) |
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| [19:54:23] | lexs: | it has a usb port+ |
| [19:55:48] | jams: | lexs- if you can find/write a script for it, then the answer is yes |
| [19:56:05] | jams: | lexs- is that uverse? |
| [19:56:12] | lexs: | uverse? |
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| [19:56:59] | kormoc: | Universal Very Expensive Research Scripting Environment ? |
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| [19:58:43] | lexs: | "AT&T U-verse is the brand name for a group of services provided over Internet Protocol (IP), including television service, Internet access, and eventually voice telephone service. " |
| [19:58:59] | lexs: | jams: na, its a motorola box that i got from telia (telia.se) |
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| [19:59:58] | lexs: | got it and a 12 month subscription for free when i ordered the broadband |
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| [20:01:19] | lexs: | hm, what is the best internet connection (speed) you can get by phoneline in the us? |
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| [20:04:49] | kormoc: | lexs, by phone line, do you include DSL? what about optical trunks, they're also used for phone lines a lot of the itme |
| [20:05:05] | lexs: | i mean dsl |
| [20:05:10] | lexs: | i guess :) |
| [20:05:46] | tcpsyn: | ok. next issue. |
| [20:05:48] | tcpsyn: | Mythflix. |
| [20:05:58] | tcpsyn: | It works great, but doesn't show the images. |
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| [20:06:17] | tcpsyn: | Instead in the description, I get an html tag pointing to where the image is supposed to be |
| [20:06:21] | tcpsyn: | has anyone seen that? |
| [20:07:03] | kormoc: | lexs, http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1133906 |
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| [20:08:19] | lexs: | kormoc: dont you have ADSL2+ |
| [20:08:29] | lexs: | eg where you can get speed up to 24/3mbit |
| [20:08:57] | kormoc: | lexs, some places maybe. I actually just have fiber directly to my house |
| [20:09:22] | lexs: | hm, okay. what is the common price for lets say 8/1? |
| [20:09:39] | kormoc: | lexs, I pay $35 a month for 5/2, $45 for 15/2 |
| [20:09:49] | tcpsyn: | It doesn't seem to matter which theme I use. |
| [20:09:49] | olds: | we pay around $60/month here for 7/1 |
| [20:09:55] | olds: | that's USD |
| [20:09:56] | lexs: | oh? |
| [20:10:00] | lexs: | expensive |
| [20:10:06] | olds: | yup |
| [20:10:14] | kormoc: | lexs, it's $180 / mo for 30/5 |
| [20:10:17] | lexs: | i pay ~35$ |
| [20:10:39] | lexs: | some lucky people can even get 100/100 for $30 |
| [20:10:53] | tcpsyn: | Can someone using mythflix tell me if the cover art works? |
| [20:10:56] | lexs: | *i pay ~$35 for 8/1 |
| [20:11:15] | kormoc: | I perfer up speed to down speed |
| [20:11:18] | ** kormoc would love 5/5 ** | |
| [20:12:20] | lexs: | grr, some can get 100/100 for 320kr |
| [20:12:51] | lexs: | 320 Swedish kronor = 47.3296 U.S. dollars |
| [20:13:25] | olds: | mmmm |
| [20:13:38] | olds: | some areas around here have fibre |
| [20:13:50] | olds: | they can get 10/10 for $40 |
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| [20:29:23] | Slyboots: | Right, I ran mythfulldatabase --manual |
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| [20:29:39] | Slyboots: | but now it wands a Channel ID for each channel.. |
| [20:31:03] | Slyboots: | But I can see the XMLTV-ID section |
| [20:31:19] | Slyboots: | So do I just stick in whatever matched up in DVB.xml? |
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| [20:42:39] | Nik_Doof: | i've got a issue with my backend crashing during recordings, what first steps should i be taking to identify what it is? |
| [20:43:34] | fryfrog: | lookin at the logs, upping the level of logging if needed |
| [20:43:46] | mkrufky: | Nik_Doof: look inside /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log for anything suspicious |
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| [20:43:56] | mkrufky: | heh . fryfrog always gets there before i do :-) |
| [20:44:28] | Nik_Doof: | nothing strange in there, is there list of -v flags anywhere? |
| [20:44:39] | fryfrog: | yeah, "-v help |
| [20:45:13] | Nik_Doof: | ahh thanks |
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| [21:14:01] | lexs: | what is the default key for pausing live tv? |
| [21:14:08] | mkrufky: | p |
| [21:14:25] | lexs: | ah |
| [21:14:28] | lexs: | easy :) |
| [21:14:41] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [21:14:54] | mkrufky: | i think there's online help for hotkeys |
| [21:14:59] | mkrufky: | maybe f1 ? |
| [21:17:25] | lexs: | yeah |
| [21:17:31] | lexs: | or i found http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/keys.txt |
| [21:17:32] | lexs: | ;) |
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| [21:21:10] | lexs: | eh, how do i change the location in mythweather? |
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| [21:33:49] | Kernel: | how can i toggle subtitles on or off? |
| [21:34:40] | Kernel: | im having issues with playing dvds in mythdvd. but mythdvd uses mplayer. so i found out how to switch subtitles in mplayer(hit j) but when in myth this slows the video down. |
| [21:35:11] | fryfrog: | you could use the internal player to do dvds |
| [21:35:17] | fryfrog: | then you just use the normal myth menu |
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| [21:36:01] | tcpsyn: | Now I'm stuck at mytharchive. |
| [21:36:02] | Kernel: | well when setting up mythdvd its says internal i hit ok then the next screen has a mplayer command |
| [21:36:08] | Kernel: | thats using mplayer right? |
| [21:36:12] | tcpsyn: | Just hangs at "No Jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD" |
| [21:36:27] | tcpsyn: | I'm trying to transcode |
| [21:36:32] | Kernel: | and also how would i toggle the subtitles of and on in regular myth? |
| [21:36:48] | Kernel: | im trying to set this up with a key on my remote control(the yellow button) |
| [21:38:24] | fryfrog: | maybe change that to "Internal"? |
| [21:38:41] | sphery: | tcpsyn: sounds like you're not running mtd ( http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-20.html#ss20.3 ) |
| [21:38:45] | fryfrog: | humm, was the "Internal" dvd player in svn -fixes? |
| [21:38:51] | Kernel: | fryfrog: ok so change the mplayer command to just "Internal" |
| [21:38:52] | fryfrog: | i'm using svn head from a few weeks ago |
| [21:39:06] | fryfrog: | Kernel: I"m not sure, so copy down the command in case you need to "fix" It :) |
| [21:39:20] | Kernel: | fryfrog: hmm ok. will do |
| [21:39:31] | Kernel: | do you know how to change subtitles in the Internal player? |
| [21:39:45] | Kernel: | im googling and cant find out how to |
| [21:40:14] | fryfrog: | M for menu |
| [21:40:20] | fryfrog: | then poke around for the sub-title menu, i thnk |
| [21:40:39] | Kernel: | hmm damn. i was hoping i could hit like "t" or some key to do it.... |
| [21:41:01] | Kernel: | im trying to bind it to one button on my remote control. |
| [21:41:39] | fryfrog: | oh, you mean like *one* button that turns subs on/off? |
| [21:41:48] | fryfrog: | there may be one, but i don't know it off the top of my head |
| [21:41:59] | Kernel: | yea ok |
| [21:42:12] | Kernel: | and my dvd command was set to Internal. the next screen was for vcd |
| [21:42:13] | fryfrog: | i know on some of the *real* tvs i've used, the mute key turns subs on |
| [21:42:19] | fryfrog: | i dunno if it does that in myth |
| [21:42:24] | fryfrog: | Kernel: ah |
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| [21:42:32] | Kernel: | my mute button mutes the sound |
| [21:42:43] | fryfrog: | well, mutes the sound *and* turns subs on :) |
| [21:42:53] | fryfrog: | but i'm not talking myth |
| [21:42:56] | Kernel: | ah |
| [21:43:40] | tcpsyn: | 2007-08–02 17:42:30.984 Media status changed... (MEDIATYPE_DVD, MEDIASTAT_NOTMOUNTED -> MEDIASTAT_USEABLE) |
| [21:43:54] | tcpsyn: | So, the media is usable, but it just sits waiting for dvd |
| [21:44:22] | Kernel: | is there a list of keycombos for mythtv? |
| [21:44:40] | tcpsyn: | sphery, I am running mtd |
| [21:45:11] | sphery: | And mtd is running correctly? I.e. you did the command-line test to get output to ensure it's happy. |
| [21:45:25] | tcpsyn: | yes |
| [21:47:02] | tcpsyn: | I got it |
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| [21:47:14] | tcpsyn: | I had set the dvd device in the wrong place |
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| [21:52:10] | Kernel: | hmm i cant find any info on subtitles and mythtv of mythdvd. |
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| [21:52:35] | Kernel: | or at least how to switch subtitles on or off...or even better switch between diff subtitles |
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| [22:00:22] | Kernel: | ah ok i figured it out. my remotes Menu button is actualy interpeted as Menu/i so i simply changed my lirc config and it works great now |
| [22:01:50] | fryfrog: | what does it do when it is Menu/i? |
| [22:01:57] | fryfrog: | behave like you pressed menu, then i? |
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| [22:11:39] | jams: | does the backend or database keep any sort of stats about which frontend has watched a recording, or is currently watching a recording? |
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| [22:49:03] | lexs: | hm, seems like i have bad reception, it maxes at 20% signal strenght |
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| [22:55:08] | Beirdo: | note to self: putting an active differential SCSI terminator on a single-ended SCSI bus does NOT work! |
| [22:55:50] | Beirdo: | I can't believe I wasted a whole day on that |
| [22:56:21] | pat_: | that's alright, I was silly enough to delete half my home directory with fat fingers yesterday |
| [22:56:28] | Beirdo: | oy! |
| [22:56:30] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:56:45] | pat_: | good thing I had a backup from 5am, and I didn't wipe out my personal mail |
| [22:56:54] | pat_: | so all I lost in the end was some list mail |
| [22:57:01] | Beirdo: | of course, I blame Sun for using 80-pin connectors for both SE and diff SCSI |
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| [22:57:44] | pat_: | I know one of the sun guys and he is going to get mythtv working on solaris 10 when he gets round to it |
| [22:57:50] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:58:02] | Beirdo: | hate to say it, but why bother? |
| [22:58:12] | pat_: | all his home machines run solaris |
| [22:58:16] | Beirdo: | especially with xen going into Solaris 10 in an update or two |
| [22:58:25] | Beirdo: | it's in Opensolaris now... |
| [22:58:30] | GreyFoxx: | It's not just a matter of getting the mythbackend/frontend to compile and run |
| [22:58:31] | pat_: | yep |
| [22:58:31] | GreyFoxx: | It |
| [22:58:46] | GreyFoxx: | s really a matter of the hardware/drivers for the various capture cards/dvb/firewire/etc |
| [22:58:46] | Beirdo: | it's all the drivers for the video capture that's the issue |
| [22:59:11] | pat_: | oh, I'm sure he'll give it up as futile after a while. but he is a persistant bugger. |
| [22:59:14] | Beirdo: | if someone wants to pay me to do so, I'd gladly make Solaris 10 drivers... send me the hardware and pay me for my time, I'm there |
| [22:59:28] | Beirdo: | x86, then I'll do Sparc :) |
| [22:59:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:59:40] | pat_: | it'll take a while |
| [22:59:56] | Beirdo: | for Sparc, someone will have to send me a PCI IO board for my E4500 that I was trying to get running today |
| [23:00:09] | pat_: | (he's a kernel hacker, he'd probably do his own drivers for his hardware) |
| [23:00:20] | Beirdo: | heh. |
| [23:00:40] | Beirdo: | well, I'd love to get more stuff running in Solaris, but to be honest, I don't see the point |
| [23:01:04] | pat_: | we just got opensolaris and xen going on another of my friends home server |
| [23:01:06] | Beirdo: | Linux and Solaris are so nearly identical at the user programming level lately |
| [23:01:17] | pat_: | works well |
| [23:01:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, I have that running as a domU on my Linux file server |
| [23:02:07] | pat_: | me personally, I've only looked over people's shoulders as they've used solaris. I'm happy with linux for my personal use |
| [23:02:15] | Beirdo: | which reminds me, need to restart it since I took that server down today to perform DVDROM surgery |
| [23:02:45] | Beirdo: | Getting the frontend working on Solaris should be quite simple |
| [23:02:59] | Beirdo: | the backend... not so simple, not if you wanna capture :) |
| [23:03:12] | Beirdo: | and without capture, hardly any point for a backend |
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| [23:03:45] | Beirdo: | I'd love to make a capture through a SunRay though, that would be so neat |
| [23:03:47] | Slyboots: | Hey |
| [23:08:15] | pat_: | bah, forgot to start the mailserver again after last night's fiasco |
| [23:08:20] | pat_: | morning Slyboots |
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| [23:09:09] | rhollan: | OUCH OUCH OUCH! internet service in San Diego is gonna cost me a bundle! |
| [23:09:13] | ** rhollan fumes and vents ** | |
| [23:09:39] | ** rhollan vents and fumes ** | |
| [23:09:59] | Beirdo: | bah, can't be any worse than the crappy cable provider I'm stuck with |
| [23:10:24] | rhollan: | $109.95 just to get a static IP address... too far from CO for ADSL, cable is Time-Warner (i.e. RoadRunner), so I'm stuck wuth their busines class service |
| [23:10:38] | rhollan: | 10M down 1.5M up, 1 static IP. $109.95 a month |
| [23:10:42] | Beirdo: | bah, just get a dynamic IP. |
| [23:10:51] | Beirdo: | jeez, I wish I could get that here |
| [23:10:51] | GreyFoxx: | do you actually REQUIRE a static IP ? |
| [23:10:52] | rhollan: | I like to sink my own email for hollan.org |
| [23:11:07] | Beirdo: | so use dyndns service and point your MX at the dyndns |
| [23:11:20] | Beirdo: | and get a backup MX |
| [23:11:24] | Beirdo: | not that hard to do |
| [23:11:56] | rhollan: | won't work Beirdo: IP address will not reverse-resolve to the dyndns name. Some MTAs are smart and check that. |
| [23:12:17] | Beirdo: | anyways, I have 512k/256k crappy dynamic IP... and pay $40/month for that |
| [23:12:21] | GreyFoxx: | rhollan: Setup a smarthost, so your mail server sends all mail to your ISP for delivery |
| [23:12:32] | GreyFoxx: | rather than delivers directly |
| [23:12:43] | Beirdo: | some MTAs are stupid and check that you mean |
| [23:12:56] | rhollan: | GreyFoxx: inbound email is what I care about. Setting that up for my domain would cost at least as much as hosting it myself |
| [23:13:04] | Beirdo: | anyways, puppy's whining |
| [23:13:05] | Beirdo: | BRB |
| [23:13:29] | rhollan: | I donno, 10x1.5 doen't strike me as bad for $110 a month |
| [23:13:46] | Beirdo: | so why are you whining about that? |
| [23:13:49] | rhollan: | and they're reverse-resolve the IP address to whatevr domain I want. |
| [23:13:59] | rhollan: | because I didn't expect to not be able to get DSL |
| [23:14:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:14:03] | rhollan: | I'm 24kft from the CO |
| [23:14:09] | Beirdo: | I wish I could get DSL... |
| [23:14:11] | GreyFoxx: | I don't see either the dyndns option nor the smarthost for outbound would cost anything (assuming you have free DNS) |
| [23:14:30] | rhollan: | GreyFoxx: who will host my inbound email? |
| [23:14:35] | rhollan: | for hollan.org |
| [23:14:39] | Beirdo: | you will |
| [23:14:55] | Beirdo: | what part of dyndns with the MX pointing at it do you not understand? |
| [23:14:57] | GreyFoxx: | you do, the MX record references a host for example "blah.dyndns.blah" |
| [23:15:12] | Beirdo: | and getting a backup MX is quite cheap also |
| [23:15:13] | GreyFoxx: | you keep blah./dyndns.blah" up to date with software on your pc automatically |
| [23:15:17] | Beirdo: | unless you do spamming. |
| [23:15:42] | pat_: | editdns has free backup mx services and free dns hosting |
| [23:15:43] | rhollan: | Beirdo: no, so spam, no open relay either. |
| [23:16:00] | Beirdo: | then I doubt a backup MX service would have any issues with you |
| [23:16:03] | rhollan: | The problem you see is that some MTAs make sure the IP address reverse-resolves to the domain name |
| [23:16:17] | Beirdo: | they shouldn't |
| [23:16:20] | GreyFoxx: | We do free backup MX and DNS for our ISP and colo customers, but not for anyone outside |
| [23:16:24] | Beirdo: | that's lame and stupid |
| [23:16:26] | rhollan: | I've gotten burned that way |
| [23:16:31] | GreyFoxx: | rhollan:not for mail delivery |
| [23:16:42] | Beirdo: | then email their admins and tell them they are stupid |
| [23:16:49] | rhollan: | GreyFoxx: yup, email delivery |
| [23:16:55] | GreyFoxx: | They will do it for you sending mail to THEM, but not for them sending to you |
| [23:16:56] | rhollan: | started bouncing. |
| [23:17:07] | Beirdo: | many many people use one IP with many different names, and with email |
| [23:17:49] | Beirdo: | if somebody has their MTA setup to dump incoming emails that anally, they are being retarded |
| [23:17:58] | Beirdo: | and I sure won't play along :) |
| [23:18:03] | rhollan: | Beirdo: another problem: if I have residential service, inbound ports are bound to be blocked, particularly port 25 and possibley VoIP ports |
| [23:18:08] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: For incomign it's faily common |
| [23:18:14] | GreyFoxx: | fairly |
| [23:18:29] | Beirdo: | yeah, but that's overcomable with smarthost |
| [23:18:33] | pat_: | that's why you use your ISPs mailserver as a smarthost for outgoing mail |
| [23:18:34] | rhollan: | GreyFoxx & Beirdo: no outgoing to me was rejected by the sending MTA |
| [23:18:50] | GreyFoxx: | rhollan: That person was broken then |
| [23:18:52] | Beirdo: | OK, that's stupid |
| [23:19:04] | rhollan: | I dunno, I figured it was a common thing to do |
| [23:19:08] | GreyFoxx: | No |
| [23:19:21] | GreyFoxx: | verifying it for incoming is common |
| [23:19:26] | GreyFoxx: | but never for outgoing |
| [23:19:28] | Beirdo: | if they want to filter incoming email uber-anally, that's one thing |
| [23:19:33] | rhollan: | Anyway, I still don't want to have an anal block everything ISP, fine me $500 for sshing into my own box. |
| [23:19:40] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:19:46] | rhollan: | might as well pay the $110 for peace |
| [23:19:46] | Beirdo: | so pay $110/month instead |
| [23:19:51] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:19:53] | GreyFoxx: | an ISP can't fine you hehe |
| [23:19:59] | Beirdo: | it's yer money :) |
| [23:20:00] | GreyFoxx: | they can cut your service though :) |
| [23:20:10] | rhollan: | if it was just email I might considr dynDns |
| [23:20:43] | Beirdo: | yeah, having static IP can be sweet |
| [23:20:43] | GreyFoxx: | My ISP blocks outgoing port 25 to anywhere but their mail server which is easily overcomeable |
| [23:20:57] | GreyFoxx: | but other than that no restrictions assuming your aren't attacking epople |
| [23:21:02] | rhollan: | Anyway the TW business rep was actually quite nice: he admitted that RR was crap, and that many techies chose the lowest level of biz service |
| [23:21:05] | Beirdo: | my ISP never told me what their mailservers are |
| [23:21:09] | GreyFoxx: | My IP has changed once in 3 years |
| [23:21:21] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo heh |
| [23:21:28] | rhollan: | My ISP in Seattle, Avvanta was great: everything open, just please don't run an open relay |
| [23:21:34] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't had an account at my ISP in a long time :) |
| [23:21:36] | rhollan: | they didn't even check |
| [23:21:42] | Beirdo: | but as GreyFoxx knows... my ISP sucks major butt. |
| [23:22:07] | Beirdo: | sometime we'll be able to get someone else |
| [23:22:29] | rhollan: | I do have to ditch Clearwire here in Seattle. STILL no static IP after 4 weeks of promiosing onw, and all VOIP ports are blocked so no MythPhone |
| [23:22:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:22:51] | mishehu: | Beirdo: you still down in the rico? |
| [23:22:52] | GreyFoxx: | hey actually block them? |
| [23:22:57] | Beirdo: | my service is just too crappy to use VOIP right now |
| [23:23:07] | Beirdo: | mishehu, yup. and lovin it |
| [23:23:13] | pat_: | yay! futurama is back on tv now that crappy big brother has finished again |
| [23:23:18] | Beirdo: | other than the shit ISP and the flaky power grid |
| [23:23:34] | Slyboots: | What the hekc is wrong with this thing |
| [23:23:53] | rhollan: | Clearwire blocks tons of stuff and shapes the traffic so bad, prioritizing port 80 to the point that one sometimes gets DNS timeouts! |
| [23:24:05] | Slyboots: | When I try to compile myththeme or theme, (./configure) it instaly exits with "Project ERROR: please run ./configure" |
| [23:24:08] | Slyboots: | :P |
| [23:24:29] | GreyFoxx: | rhollan: suckage |
| [23:24:30] | Slyboots: | MJesus o.o |
| [23:24:34] | Slyboots: | That was a big flood o.o! |
| [23:25:02] | GreyFoxx: | We have a few customers affected by that stuff but we provide them vpning routers to get around that stuff. not many of them though thankfully |
| [23:25:06] | rhollan: | GreyFoxx: gonna drop them and just keep a dynamic IP up here with someone else. |
| [23:25:14] | laga: | Slyboots: have you installed mythtv from trunk already? |
| [23:25:40] | Slyboots: | Yea |
| [23:25:43] | rhollan: | Ah. Time-Warner calls it their "Teleworker" service. 1.0M x 1.5M + 1 static IP |
| [23:25:56] | Slyboots: | I can compile mythplugins, just not myththeme or themes |
| [23:25:57] | rhollan: | er 10.0M x 1.5M + 1 static IP |
| [23:26:59] | mishehu: | Beirdo: how's yer spanish? |
| [23:27:00] | mishehu: | heh |
| [23:27:06] | Beirdo: | que? |
| [23:27:12] | mishehu: | so |
| [23:27:18] | Beirdo: | I understand it a fair amount |
| [23:27:25] | Beirdo: | but not to speak it |
| [23:27:35] | ** mishehu hates Beirdo for being somewhere warm year round ** | |
| [23:27:44] | Beirdo: | you can move too |
| [23:27:46] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [23:28:04] | Beirdo: | the hardest part was US immigration |
| [23:28:31] | rhollan: | Beirdo: where from? |
| [23:28:36] | Beirdo: | Canada |
| [23:28:52] | GreyFoxx: | make |
| [23:28:54] | GreyFoxx: | oops |
| [23:29:01] | rhollan: | mee too |
| [23:29:03] | Beirdo: | bootadm update-archive |
| [23:29:04] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:29:12] | rhollan: | just got Green card in November |
| [23:29:20] | Beirdo: | got mine February |
| [23:29:24] | GreyFoxx: | rhollan: Where from ? |
| [23:29:25] | rhollan: | congrats |
| [23:29:30] | rhollan: | GreyFoxx: Montreal |
| [23:29:32] | Beirdo: | easier when marrying a US citizen :) |
| [23:29:39] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [23:29:42] | GreyFoxx: | Halifax here |
| [23:29:46] | rhollan: | My son is American. Daughter Canadian |
| [23:29:51] | rhollan: | ex-wife Canadian |
| [23:30:09] | Beirdo: | assuming the weenies actually believe you are actually married, not scamming them |
| [23:30:19] | inahole: | Canada can keep their Atlantic Institute for Market Studies. We don't want Atlantica |
| [23:30:20] | mishehu: | Beirdo: well, I'd have no problems with US immigration, but my wife wouldn't probably be too keen on moving there |
| [23:30:21] | rhollan: | takes 2 years, Beirdo |
| [23:30:29] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [23:30:34] | Beirdo: | took 6 months |
| [23:30:39] | mishehu: | as it is, I can't get her to move to israel with me either, and I've lived there before. |
| [23:30:40] | Beirdo: | if that |
| [23:30:44] | rhollan: | U.S. should take Alberta & Ontario |
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| [23:30:58] | inahole: | No |
| [23:31:02] | Beirdo: | then in 2 years you have to go to another interview to get a permanent permanent residence |
| [23:31:06] | rhollan: | BC too I suppose to get to Alaska |
| [23:31:19] | inahole: | No |
| [23:31:19] | rhollan: | But BC is even more socialist than SoCal |
| [23:31:25] | Beirdo: | mishehu, well, she's missing out |
| [23:31:35] | inahole: | I want socialized medicine |
| [23:31:42] | rhollan: | Oh, it's 104.95, not 109.95 a month. |
| [23:31:55] | rhollan: | you can have it! |
| [23:31:57] | inahole: | lol |
| [23:32:03] | rhollan: | to each his own |
| [23:32:08] | inahole: | as opposed to my 2 hour stay in the ER which costed me $3000 |
| [23:32:13] | rhollan: | My son waited 36 hours when he needed a tonsillectomy |
| [23:32:16] | inahole: | sure I'll pay $110/month |
| [23:32:20] | Beirdo: | I want summer year round :) |
| [23:32:21] | rhollan: | inahole: that's what health insurance is for |
| [23:32:29] | Beirdo: | oh wait, I have it |
| [23:32:30] | inahole: | still shitty |
| [23:32:37] | rhollan: | $600 a month covers me & the kids |
| [23:32:41] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: Thats |
| [23:32:46] | inahole: | exactly |
| [23:32:52] | Beirdo: | health insurance is cheaper than the taxes required for socialized medicine |
| [23:32:53] | rhollan: | farr less than the income tax I paid for NO health care in Canada |
| [23:32:54] | GreyFoxx: | ' what is tempting me to head toward teh carribean |
| [23:32:59] | inahole: | Not necessarily |
| [23:33:13] | Beirdo: | GreyFoxx, yeah, just have to keep an eye out come hurricane season |
| [23:33:18] | kormoc: | I want my own private island where I can sit and drink forever and ever... |
| [23:33:29] | laga: | kormoc: "panic room"? |
| [23:33:33] | GreyFoxx: | Beirdo: I can handle that |
| [23:33:42] | kormoc: | laga, hrm? |
| [23:33:43] | rhollan: | inahole: generally, it is. There's always gonna be someone that costs $5000000 a year to keep alive |
| [23:33:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, I hear ya, GreyFoxx |
| [23:33:58] | rhollan: | O.K. gotta print and fac this contact |
| [23:34:06] | laga: | kormoc: just start drinking now and dream up the island ;) |
| [23:34:11] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [23:34:17] | kormoc: | laga, not quite the same :P |
| [23:34:27] | inahole: | My mom probably ate that |
| [23:34:30] | inahole: | she was very sick |
| [23:34:40] | inahole: | thankfully socialized medicine(medicaid) kept her alive |
| [23:34:56] | inahole: | She finally died when I was 24 |
| [23:35:07] | inahole: | she started getting real sick when I was in about the 5th grade |
| [23:35:14] | inahole: | I would have probably been around 10 or so |
| [23:35:37] | inahole: | My mom and dad divorced shortly after I was born and I have never met him, because he was a jackass. Beat my mom and stuff |
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| [23:35:59] | inahole: | Health insurance |
| [23:36:02] | inahole: | what a load of shit |
| [23:36:03] | k-man__: | for some reason, mplayer is not picking up the lircrc file when i run it from mythvideo, but it does get it if I run it from the command line |
| [23:36:11] | k-man__: | any ideas why that might be? |
| [23:36:16] | inahole: | she would not have been accepted for any health insurance because of a pre-existing condition |
| [23:36:36] | inahole: | yeah, health insurance has loopholes and it's a crock |
| [23:36:46] | Beirdo: | uh huh |
| [23:37:05] | inahole: | she had 1 prescription, alone, that was about $1500/month |
| [23:37:13] | inahole: | we couldn't have afforded that shit |
| [23:37:15] | inahole: | in other words |
| [23:37:17] | inahole: | she would have died |
| [23:37:22] | inahole: | thank god fore medicaid |
| [23:37:27] | inahole: | for* |
| [23:37:44] | inahole: | she had to have 3 or 4 blood transfusions |
| [23:37:48] | inahole: | a feeding tube |
| [23:37:56] | inahole: | a blood port |
| [23:37:59] | Beirdo: | by the way, most "socialized medicine" systems don't pay for prescriptions |
| [23:38:00] | inahole: | etc |
| [23:38:14] | inahole: | Beirdo, where from? |
| [23:39:04] | laga: | ours does. not all prescriptions of course, but quite a lot |
| [23:39:22] | Beirdo: | it may subsidize in some places though |
| [23:39:28] | inahole: | that's what I thought |
| [23:39:29] | k-man__: | Beirdo, in australia it doesn't pay for all prescriptions, but does heavily subsidise a lot of drugs |
| [23:39:44] | fryfrog: | FUCKING HEALTH INSURANCE! |
| [23:39:53] | inahole: | basically, the US is the only industrialized nation that hasn't got socialized medicine |
| [23:40:02] | fryfrog: | I mean, I'm glad I have it... but holey shit it is such a pain in the ass to deal with. |
| [23:40:16] | inahole: | well, so is my grandma's medicaid |
| [23:40:21] | inahole: | the problem with the system is the money |
| [23:40:30] | laga: | k-man__: just specify "-lircconf" for mplayer |
| [23:40:33] | inahole: | someone wants it |
| [23:41:00] | k-man__: | laga, in the fe settings? |
| [23:41:04] | inahole: | I'd rather have it, I think, than not |
| [23:41:04] | laga: | isn't medicaid a socialized medicine? |
| [23:41:11] | inahole: | yeah, like medicare |
| [23:41:19] | laga: | k-man__: you can specify a player command... you could also use mythtv's "internal" player |
| [23:41:31] | k-man__: | laga, hmm.. i might try the internal one |
| [23:41:42] | laga: | k-man__: no trouble with lirc then ;) |
| [23:41:49] | inahole: | medicare covers 65+ and medicaid covers children & people who need it that are < 65 |
| [23:41:51] | k-man__: | i think i switched to mplayer back in the days of .17 |
| [23:42:01] | k-man__: | its probably changed a lot since then |
| [23:42:06] | k-man__: | thanks laga |
| [23:43:57] | inahole: | A lot of the doctors here are dropping medicare patients |
| [23:44:27] | inahole: | That's because hospitals and doctors want more $$ than they're worth though |
| [23:45:13] | Beirdo: | heh. spoken like someone who didn't have to pay to get trained to be a doctor |
| [23:45:41] | Beirdo: | and doesn't have to pay malpractice insurance in case some wanker sues them to oblivion |
| [23:46:22] | Beirdo: | you wanna talk about people who get paid more than they are worth... look no further than professional athletes |
| [23:48:09] | inahole: | I agree with that too |
| [23:48:10] | laga: | the mullets! oh my god, the mullets! |
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| [23:48:12] | fryfrog: | i'd like to volunteer to throw CEOs, CFOs, etc into that shark infested pool we wish we could throw people into |
| [23:48:14] | inahole: | about athletes |
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| [23:48:23] | inahole: | yes |
| [23:48:29] | inahole: | ultimately, they are the one's who cause the problems |
| [23:48:30] | Beirdo: | hehe, yes and many CEOs, etc too |
| [23:48:54] | inahole: | they overprice their shit and monopolize, throw that money at the politicians, and buy legislation to benefit them |
| [23:49:18] | inahole: | that's why the health industry is so fucking expensive in this country |
| [23:49:20] | Beirdo: | if you don't like it, move somewhere that's not capitalist |
| [23:49:28] | inahole: | we spend more than everyone else and get less treatment than everyone else |
| [23:49:33] | Beirdo: | insanely capitalist |
| [23:49:36] | Beirdo: | no you don't |
| [23:49:46] | lexs: | eh, i have problems with text getting cut of in the osd |
| [23:49:50] | inahole: | yes we do |
| [23:49:51] | Beirdo: | sorry, but you are deluded if you think that. |
| [23:49:54] | lexs: | eg channels name |
| [23:49:58] | inahole: | lol |
| [23:50:07] | inahole: | that's why everyone was blocked from buying cheaper medicine from canada |
| [23:50:09] | inahole: | it's overpriced |
| [23:50:09] | Beirdo: | lexs, likely a font issue of some sort |
| [23:50:31] | inahole: | and the private sector monopolized the domestic market through the government |
| [23:50:40] | Beirdo: | blah blah blah. |
| [23:50:51] | ** kormoc thinks this conversation is just out of control and should likely trickle to a stop... ** | |
| [23:50:57] | inahole: | then they took Medicare's ability to negotiate prices away from the government, and rose the prices of their drugs 8 percent across the board. |
| [23:51:24] | Beirdo: | move to the third world and reconsider... in the mean time, is there something more mythtv we can consider? like lexs' OSD issue? |
| [23:51:32] | inahole: | that's why cost here is going to double every 6–10 years. |
| [23:51:40] | inahole: | for health related stuff |
| [23:51:46] | Beirdo: | don't care. |
| [23:51:52] | inahole: | it's the truth though |
| [23:51:53] | Beirdo: | move on |
| [23:51:54] | ** kormoc pokes inahole with a 'time to get back on topic stick.' ** | |
| [23:52:00] | inahole: | lol sorry |
| [23:52:08] | inahole: | I'm just irritated with my country right now |
| [23:52:11] | laga: | we need #mythtv-offtopic |
| [23:52:14] | lexs: | hm, i only have freesans.tff and freemono.tff to choose from :( |
| [23:52:23] | laga: | i'm irritated with my ndiswrapper :'( |
| [23:52:31] | inahole: | shitty |
| [23:52:39] | inahole: | just kick your computer a few times and show it who's boss |
| [23:52:45] | laga: | won't work |
| [23:52:55] | inahole: | that probably won't solve the problem, but at least it'll make you feel better and superior |
| [23:53:01] | laga: | heh |
| [23:53:13] | laga: | mythtv doesn't like packet loss unfortunately |
| [23:53:15] | Beirdo: | lexs, I've seen that issue before, and don't recall the fix... it's X server DPI settings maybe? |
| [23:53:19] | kormoc: | laga, I'm all for #chat |
| [23:53:32] | inahole: | that sucks |
| [23:53:38] | lexs: | Beirdo: i think it is correct, as this is my main computer |
| [23:53:40] | inahole: | burn it to cd and spit on it |
| [23:53:56] | inahole: | show it who's the master and who's the servant |
| [23:54:41] | Beirdo: | IIRC, mythtv is happy with the X server set at 100DPI. |
| [23:55:16] | lexs: | Beirdo: seems like many themes are pixel bound |
| [23:55:20] | Beirdo: | if it's set otherwise, different odd formatting issues have happened before, not sure if that's related to the issue |
| [23:55:22] | lexs: | eg they dont expand |
| [23:57:27] | lexs: | but it is in the epg it's most disturbing |
| [23:57:54] | Beirdo: | well, fonts may be the one big exception to that |
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| [23:58:26] | Beirdo: | but it was like 3 years ago that I tweaked that last |
| [23:58:41] | lexs: | http://static.pici.se/pictures/YqkQawxpu.png thats what it looks like |
| [23:58:58] | lexs: | disregard the text encoding issue |
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