Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 29th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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Speedy2:

Is there any easy way to get myth to transcode existing recordings? I'm almost out of space

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leprechau:

im about to give up on getting X to function normally on my current setup and am thinking of settling with using the fbdev xorg driver

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leprechau:

does mythtv function properly when using the fbdev X driver?

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directhex:

depends whether you expect to play videos or not

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directhex:

you can use a QT application like myth without any x-server at all, directly onto the framebuffer, without X. but it's faily uncharted territory since no bugger's got a crap enough system to need it

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metalac:

leprechau: what's wrong with X?

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leprechau:

I can't get X to display on my TV at all

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directhex:

try harder

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leprechau:

tvout works right from boot on that card

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leprechau:

i can see the bios post and everything...kernel load...and console come up fine

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leprechau:

mplayer/xine work great to the tv using the fbdev

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leprechau:

but X just won't show up on the TV

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directhex:

what's the card?

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leprechau:

ATI AIW Rage 128

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directhex:

urgh

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hads:

Go buy a cheap nvidia card :)

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leprechau:

it's an old card...but all i had laying around out in the garage with tvout on it

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directhex:

buy a card made this millenium? it'd help

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leprechau:

ehh it's a 2001 card

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directhex:

rage is a horrible bodge job

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directhex:

it's layer upon layer of cruft on the awful mach32

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leprechau:

seems that's always the answer people give when they run into an obstacle...blame everything but themselves and thier own coding/problem solving abillities

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directhex:

i've already given two solutions

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hads:

I gave one.

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directhex:

it's your problem if you don't like either

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leprechau:

both involve changing the hardware

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directhex:

ding, first hit on google for "mythtv framebuffer": http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV_in_Framebuffer

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hads:

Yes

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directhex:

how dreadfully hard this "google" is

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metalac:

leprechau: a $20 nvidia card will work much better, plus it will give you chance to do xvmc and what not

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directhex:

i suppose with a rage in the system, i should be searching with altavista or yahoo

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directhex:

hey, the altavista result is even better: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythTV_in_Framebuffer

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leprechau:

ehh i googled mythtv fbdev just not framebuffer

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leprechau:

and you're a bit of an ass aren't you?

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directhex:

top hit on yahoo too

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Speedy2:

An nVidia MX4000 is a cheap PCI card that has TV-out and XvMC support.

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directhex:

no, i just don't like being ignored when i give multiple pieces of sound advice

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Speedy2:

Seriously, dump ATI.

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directhex:

just because you don't want to hear it, doesn't mean it's wrong

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directhex:

know how much 1-on-1 support from experienced engineers costs? consider curt replies part of the terms of your dicount coupon

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Speedy2:

directhex: Dude, ATI has terrible Linux support. nVidia cards work reasonably well under Linux...what's the problem here?

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directhex:

Speedy2, that leprechau wants to use turn-of-the-millenium ati technology in a barely used configuration, and doesn't want nvidia

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leprechau:

directhex, you don't need to be that way...1) this is a public 'help' forum ... 2) if you don't want to give free advice then don't....setup your own private consulting firm and charge... 3) you just don't have to be so short with people

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leprechau:

and no...the whole point of this was to try and use what i had laying around for spare parts

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leprechau:

if i wanted I could just go buy a nice shiney mini itx with all the bells and whistles built-in

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Speedy2:

directhex: Sorry I meant to direct my comment towards leprechau

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directhex:

[01:19] <directhex> you can use a QT application like myth without any x-server at all, directly onto the framebuffer, without X. but it's faily uncharted territory since no bugger's got a crap enough system to need it

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directhex:

question answered 13 minutes ago. the debate subsequently isn't my problem

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leprechau:

lol...you need a vacation

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directhex:

i just got back from one

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leprechau:

anyways...thanks for the help...i'll ask someone with a little less attitude next time though

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directhex:

you'll be hard pushed to find it in this channel, since the minimal number of people who know what's going on field question after question that could be answered in 1 application of google. which gets rather grating

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directhex:

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Speedy2:

leprechau: Get an nVidia MX4000 .

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hads:

Or newer

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directhex:

your initial question was answered, with what you wanted to hear, and infact better than you asked – i.e. using the framebuffer directly rather than using X as a proxy. you were also advised that you'd have an infinitely superior experience with well-designed hardware. just because it's not what you wanted to hear, doesn't mean it's wrong. if you don't want to be told the truth, prefix questions with "don't tell anything that mig

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directhex:

ht make me a sad panda :(((((("

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leprechau:

are you still going? I stopped reading when I made my last statement

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Speedy2:

Any easy way to setup a transcoding job for a bunch of already recorded programs?

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hads:

Speedy2: nuvexport?

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directhex:

you know who comes across as an ass?

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Beirdo:

about 90% of us

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Speedy2:

hads: I thought nuvexport was meant if you want to put it into a standard file format like avi, etc?

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tank-man:

most normal people, when given anonyminity and an audience will be an asshole

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Beirdo:

especially when they are ignored when dispensing advice :)

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Speedy2:

I'm assuming the "MPEG-4" in the transcoding for MPEG2 is Xvid?

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tank-man:

Speedy2, tag all the videos you want to transcode with "/" and them press "M" and pick transcode

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directhex:

tank-man, http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 ?

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directhex:

Beirdo, oh, don't worry, you're a special case :p

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hads:

Speedy2: I don't transcode so it was just a random outburst.

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directhex:

Beirdo, well, noting like in juski's league, but never mind

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Beirdo:

hehe

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jams:

may not have been the case 1.5 years ago

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Beirdo:

I need more time to be a true ass :)

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directhex:

Beirdo, go part time. or just do what i do & slack at work

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Beirdo:

heh, I'm unemployed.

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Beirdo:

that's not the issue

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directhex:

then you've got a metric tonne of time to be an ass! quick, talk about your penis!

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Beirdo:

spending time with the wife seriously cuts into my jackass time, yah know!

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Beirdo:

heh

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Speedy2:

tank-man: Thanks!

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directhex:

Beirdo, so work on quality rather than quantity. try "i swear i'll cockslap the next person to have gentoo problems"

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Beirdo:

heh, nah

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Beirdo:

I'll just note that if you have problems with gentoo, perhaps you shouldn't use gentoo

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Beirdo:

and move on :)

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directhex:

now it's, um, mandated time-spent-with-wife ¬_¬

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Beirdo:

have fun

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directhex:

at least it involves zombies and shotguns

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df1amb:

Hi, I have a problem transcoding my recordings to another codec using nuvexport / mythranscode. When I call nuvexport to transcode one of the videos it tells me something of a floatingpoint exception an I should run in debug mode. When I do so and do the list that is given to me by nuvexport I get an "Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211". Google and the Mailinglist have not been verry helpfull until now.

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df1amb:

The error appears on step three when executing the mythtranscode command.

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Speedy2:

df1amb: Are you overclocking?

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df1amb:

Speedy2: no I am not.

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tank-man:

run nuvexport with debug

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tank-man:

maybe your build of mencoder/ffmpeg is missing some codec support

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df1amb:

I've installed all the codecs and mencoder ffmpeg and the other dependencies.

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GreyFoxx:

Man, I'm loving this firewire recording stuff.

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GreyFoxx:

I'm tempted to get another STB and retire my pvr cards altogether

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df1amb:

tank-man: When I ran nuvexport --debug it gives me a list what to do. Then I do everything step by step until I have to call the mythtranscode part. At this point that codec error appears.

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jedix:

STB?

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GreyFoxx:

set top box

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jedix:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

So far It's been perfect, and I can record from all channels available to the box including hdtv, so it's temping to get rid of the last of my analog stuff

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Speedy2:

Hrm.

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Speedy2:

Transcoding gave me a BIGGER file than what I started with.

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hads:

heh

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Speedy2:

Any pointers what settings you guys use for transcoding?

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Speedy2:

I told it to do MPEG-4.

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Aval0n:

hey guys

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Aval0n:

just found out about myth after using beyond tv 3 for a long time

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Aval0n:

I want to setup a myth system

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Aval0n:

and wanted some advice

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needinfo:

The last time I was here seeking help, I was asked if my tuner worked with ivtv. Now, (after much reading) I can answer YES. Still I have nothing with mythtv. What do I check next? This is my 7th day trying to make progress.

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needinfo:

Am using WinTV 150 card with Feisty.

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Aval0n:

I want a system that I can use 2 tvs off of, and combine my analog cable with OTA HDTV

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Aval0n:

I know I will need 2 tuners for this

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Aval0n:

are the hauppage wintv 1600's good for that??

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needinfo:

I am just a beginner, but in my reading, I understand "Not at this time" is the answer.

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Aval0n:

is that for me?

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needinfo:

Yes

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Aval0n:

so what hdtv tuners are recommended for myth

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xris:

Aval0n: there's a good list in the wiki at xmltv.org

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xris:

er, linuxtv.org

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Aval0n:

awesome

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hads:

xris: Something stuck on your mind? ;)

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tank-man:

df1amb, maybe your ffmpeg binary doesnt have support for the codecs you want

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Aval0n:

so there are program guides available online for cox cable

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xris:

hads: harry potter, actually (listening to it)

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Aval0n:

?

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Aval0n:

I remember guide+ from rca a while back

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Aval0n:

but it wasn't accurate

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xris:

Aval0n: read the mythtv documentation

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xris:

and the front page of wiki.mythtv.org

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xris:

and the topic

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xris:

oops, that should read US/Canada listings..

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o xris

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Aval0n:

sorry man

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Aval0n:

I'm a definate noob with this

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df1amb:

tank-man: hmm may be but I can watch divx or xvid or mpg videos on the same machine

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Aval0n:

let me just ask one more question, is it possible to have my standard cox cable channels, with program guide and then OTA HD work all together without switching "inputs"

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Aval0n:

I would like it to appear as it it was all happening on one tuner

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xris:

Aval0n: not that I know of

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directhex:

it all looks like one system in the program guide, but not when channel hopping

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needinfo:

I have at least 20 hours of searching and reading in trying to set up mythtv. My problem could even be something simple. However, the solution eludes me. Is there anyone here who can suggest a good place that I would most likely find help in real time?

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hads:

needinfo: Possibly here, you need to ask specific questions.

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directhex:

the card works outside myth, in other viewers?

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directhex:

you've configured the card in mythtv-setup as an mpeg2 encoder, not as a basic card?

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needinfo:

I can record with ivtv and playback with mplayer using composite input.

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needinfo:

At this time I only want composite to connect to a satellite dish.

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needinfo:

My configuration is probably at fault, but I have not found the instructions that will fix my problem.

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directhex:

what is the card set as in mythtv-setup?

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needinfo:

let me check.

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needinfo:

Analog V4L capture card

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hads:

There's yer problem

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needinfo:

GREAT! How do I fix it?

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hads:

Change that to the correct card type. "MPEG2 somethingorother"

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directhex:

change it to an mepg2 capture card thingymabob

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hads:

heh

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needinfo:

Many, many, many thanks!

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tjcarter:

argh

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tjcarter:

The volume level out of the sa3250 is low, and I don't think it's something I can actually adjust.

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directhex:

get out yer solderin' iron!

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tjcarter:

I am not inclined to do that unless I can disable HDCP on the DVI port and enable Firewire output

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tjcarter:

rather, enable it for all channels

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tjcarter:

Is there a mixer control for the pvr500?

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hads:

Mixer control?

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hads:

No

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hads:

You can adjust the volume with ivtvctl from memory.

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tjcarter:

ah, that should be adjustable from mythtv-setup then

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tjcarter:

er, but it isn't I think =(

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overpointe:

Who in here is hooked up to satellite rather than cable?

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hads:

I am

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tjcarter:

Is there a possibility of using digital audio from the box maybe?

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tjcarter:

no, that wouldn't work

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tjcarter:

MPEG encoder, duh

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hads:

Well spotted :)

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tjcarter:

So I need a volume control here, that's pretty much it.

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tjcarter:

Ahh, it's in recording profiles

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tjcarter:

but it's at 90

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tjcarter:

That's perfect for the tuner, but for cable box it's too low.

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tjcarter:

is there a way to set a second profile which is used for cable box?

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overpointe:

What card are you using for your satellite setup, hads?

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hads:

Technisat Skystar2 cards

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hads:

They don't seem to be available in as many places as they used to be though.

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tjcarter:

okay, I gotta deal with this later =)

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TUplink1:

um.... i think there is another little script error in the contrib folder.... contrib/videometadata the dbhost is set to a 192 address and not 127.0.0.1

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jams:

i'm sure whoever wrote the script thinks the 192 address is correct

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overpointe:

hads, did you have a hard time configuring it, or was it ready to go right out of the box?

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hads:

Um, the hardware was ready to go out of the box, of course you need to configure your system for it.

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overpointe:

I'm thinking about a free to air satellite setup, and I'm doing some research on cards.

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mokkan:

hm

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mokkan:

whats the keyboard button for "play a game" in mythgame?

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mchou:

!seen ShockValue

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MythLogBot:

ShockValue was last seen 5 days 12 hours 19 minutes 48 seconds ago

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Hoxzer:

Hmm, I wonder should I replace "my" about 10 year old amplifier or find a way how to put audio from s/pdif to it

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Hoxzer:

5.1 audio would be cool

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mokkan:

does anybody know how i play games in mythgame?

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mokkan:

i cant figure out what button to push

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cesman:

mythgame is just a frontend for emulators

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cesman:

or "PC" games

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cesman:

so, the answer on what button to press depends on the emulator or game...

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mokkan:

yes, but i'm still in the frontend

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mokkan:

like, selecting which rom to play

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mokkan:

and i cant figure out how to start the emulation

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cesman:

the key bindings (unless changed) should be the same

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cesman:

arrow around, select...

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mokkan:

hm :\

[03:06:04]

mokkan:

i wonder why its not playing then..

[03:06:11]

mokkan:

it doesnt do anything if i push enter or right

[03:06:49]

cesman:

what emulator and what game?

[03:07:05]

cesman:

can you play the game from the emulator 'normally'?

[03:07:32]

cesman:

have you varied mythgame is configured appropriatey?

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Aval0n:

guys what distro does myth run best on?

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leprechau:

debian/archlinux both work well

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leprechau:

i would choose arch personally just cause i like it better

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leprechau:

but it runs fine on both and is packaged on both

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Aval0n:

what about ubuntu?

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leprechau:

dunno...never used it

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

I've always been a slack fan myself

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leprechau:

but i would suspect it would be fine...it's based off of debian and myth is packaged for it as well

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Aval0n:

or course I'm still running a 4.0 install on a few boxes

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leprechau:

if you like slack you would love arch

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Aval0n:

hmm

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leprechau:

has a very nice package system and a bsdish init

[04:18:14]

Aval0n:

so does myth run on xfree86

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Aval0n:

sorry I'm a newb with it

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hads:

Any distro you want

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Aval0n:

or is it stand alone

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leprechau:

mostly yes

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leprechau:

xv or xvmc output usually

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Aval0n:

I'de like to run hdmi out to my main tv

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hads:

So, X.

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leprechau:

although as i was pointed to earlier...it can be run without X under directfb/framebuffer

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Aval0n:

is there like a most well known vid card for hdmi out?

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hads:

Nvidia

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Aval0n:

it seems myth preferes hauppage cards for tuners

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dr_willis:

Aval0n, check the the nvidia cards..

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hads:

Just use a dvi-hdmi cable

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Aval0n:

I guess I could just convert the dvi to hdmi

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dr_willis:

Not sure what nvidia cards do hdmi. :( ya might also want to check into them to find one that has a fanless design if its to be sitting next to your tv.

[04:20:18]

Aval0n:

good idea

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dr_willis:

Theres some decent low cost nvidia cards out now a days.

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Aval0n:

but mine is down low

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Aval0n:

i have a plasma on the wall

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dr_willis:

the fanless pcie cardi saw the other day was only $40 or so

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Aval0n:

and the entertainment center is down below

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hads:

7600GS cards are often fanless.

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hads:

As I'm sure many others are.

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Aval0n:

yeah but I gotta think about heat too

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Aval0n:

cause this is going in a closed door entertainment center

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dr_willis:

Yea – i think i was looking at the 5500 or 5200, rather low end.

[04:21:36]

dr_willis:

Aval0n, eww.. thats not good. :) heh .. well ya can always put in some fans somewhere

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Aval0n:

http://ldproxy.com/aval0n/arcade/100_1489.JPG

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Aval0n:

that's where it is going

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Aval0n:

I plan on replacing dish network dvr with it

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Aval0n:

but I wanna make sure my bedroom can still use the dvr

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Aval0n:

can myth support analog cable and also OTA HD at the same time?

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hads:

Yes

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Aval0n:

awesomd

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Aval0n:

awesome.

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Aval0n:

i know with beyondtv 3 there was a delay when chaning channels

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Aval0n:

like 3 second delay

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Aval0n:

does myth do that too?

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tank-man:

depends on the card/driver

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Aval0n:

is there a best hd card to use?

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hads:

Depends where you are I guess.

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Aval0n:

arizona us

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** hads doesn't know about the USA **

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Hoxzer:

argh, do you guys believe that more than 15 year old amplifer could have spdif input ? :P

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Hoxzer:

:D Well, at least it has a DAT input

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Aval0n:

hmm, looking at the database off mythtv.org I don't see anyone saying they use a HDTV card

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Aval0n:

werd

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Aval0n:

weird*

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Hoxzer:

Try to search QAM256

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Aval0n:

ok thanks

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Hoxzer:

:P HDTV takes alot of hdd then...

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bryguy001:

Hello

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Aval0n:

you can't get HD off cox standard cable can you?

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Aval0n:

for local channels

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Aval0n:

you still have to rely on antenna correct?

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Hoxzer:

I dont know much about HD since my cable provider doesn't proadcast anything (non pay-tv) HD

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bryguy001:

I just setup mythtv and I am having trouble watching TV

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bryguy001:

Whenever I go to watch tv, the backend gives the message:

[04:47:27]

bryguy001:

VIDIOCGCHAN: Invalid argument

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bryguy001:

any clues?

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dns_server:

i am trying to build mythtv on fedora but i cannot seem to get configure to find lame, any ideas?

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leprechau:

it should be in an rpm

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leprechau:

or you can dl the source and build it

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hads:

Install the lame headers

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leprechau:

http://lame.sourceforge.net/index.php

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hads:

There will be a better 'fedora' way of installing it rather than using the source.

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hads:

bryguy001: Never seen that, sounds like your capture card may be setup wrong.

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bryguy001:

yeah, I'm not having much luck with it so far

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dns_server:

i have tried several different lame-devel packages they don't seem to work

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** hads knows nothing about Red Hat/Fedora **

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bryguy001:

it's using the SAA7130 module

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bryguy001:

and /dev/video0 exists but nothing wants to display

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Aval0n:

it looks like hd3000 and QAM256 is the most popular choice

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Aval0n:

is this correct

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Aval0n:

?

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Samatros:

Does 1080i imply 1080p? I figure if a device is 1080i, then it should be able to support two 1080i frames bundled into 1.

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Aval0n:

0_o

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Samatros:

tuner wise ;X

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Aval0n:

1080i is the highest hdtv broadcasts tho...

[05:06:16]

Samatros:

I have size issues.

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Aval0n:

TMI

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Samatros:

And by that, I mean that I hate double (triple?!) standards in HDTV and don't want to label my box HDTV and then some jackass comes along and sniffles "But I bet it doesn't support 1080i ;X"

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Samatros:

So does 1080i automatically mean 1080p?

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leprechau:

no

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leprechau:

most devices currently don't support 1080p

[05:09:05]

leprechau:

and displays need beefier components to handle 1080p vs 1080i cause you have twice the image

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leprechau:

i would make sure they say 1080p or 'TrueHD'

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Samatros:

I always figured you just kind of split your food in half and just ate twice as fast.

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Samatros:

Ohh, TrueHD, okay. That helps a lot.

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hads:

Careful, sounds like a marketing term.

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leprechau:

well it is a marketing term

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leprechau:

but usually only applied to 1080p capable hardware

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leprechau:

but yes...always read the spec sheet

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hads:

Yeah, usually :)

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Tanthrix:

1080p sets are the way to go. Much less fuss with computers most of the time.

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Kernel:

hello all ive set up my card and it works(pvr-150) i can watch tv by using mplayer. but for some reason when i try to use mythtv it doesnt work. i hit watch tv and it just makes the screen turn black. no sound no video no static. i then cant use esc to exit. anyone have any ideas?

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Kernel:

oh ive had mythtv working b4.

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Kernel:

just dont know what im missing/did wrong

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Kernel:

heres the tail output of my mythbackend log : http://pastebin.ca/637765

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hads:

I'm guessing the card type isn't setup correctly in mythtv-setup.

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hads:

Same as the other 5 people that I've seen today :)

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Kernel:

oh hehe. it could be. i thought i did it correctly. ill re go over it. thanks hads :-)

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hads:

It wants to be MPEG encoder or whatever, not V4L

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Kernel:

yea i just wetn over the settings it was set for that. i thought i had set i to that b4. but its now on the mpeg one. let me fire up mythtvbackend and give it a whirl

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Kernel:

ok now i get pictures and sound. but its only a few channels and quality is not to good. im gonna go look over my channel settings

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hads:

Probablt the wrong frequncy table. That's a comon one too.

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Kernel:

ahh another good call hads . it was set to default. which only gave me like 13 chans. switched it to us-cable and bingo it works like a charm :-)

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leprechau:

Speedy2, still there?

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leprechau:

Speedy2, is this what you were referring to? ... http://cgi.ebay.com/NVIDIA-GeFORCE-4-GRAPHICS . . . 250146012331

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robbins876_:

I just accidentally cleared out myvideos...

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robbins876_:

I went back through and re-labled and imdb'd the videos

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robbins876_:

is there a way to back it in case I accidentally clear it all out again?

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robbins876_:

back it up

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robbins876:

Anyone?

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Anduin:

robbins876: backing up all of mythconverg is a good idea

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Hoxzer:

somebody familiar with S/pdif output ?

[09:16:34]

sebrock:

what?

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sebrock:

about it

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Hoxzer:

I have only one speaker set and I'm getting sound but it sounds like "tapping"

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Hoxzer:

it doens't sound like it is suppose to

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juski:

just works here. you must be doing something wrong

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sebrock:

checked you cables?

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Hoxzer:

yep

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sebrock:

how is output when not using spdif, headphones?

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Hoxzer:

Fine

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juski:

what sampling rate does your amplifier accept?

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gbee:

Hoxzer: sounds similar to a problem when mmap isn't available

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Hoxzer:

oh

[09:24:36]

gbee:

actually, maybe not – heh, I remembered something from that ticket about their being a 'pulse' noise, but what it actually says is something about the audiopulse plugin for alsa :)

[09:24:45]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3598

[09:25:21]

gbee:

probably not connected at all

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Hoxzer:

I'm currently testing this with mplayer so mythtv problems dont matter

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Cry_wolf2:

Is it possible somehow to have mythweb on different server ?

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juski:

Hoxzer: try in #alsa

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juski:

I'm getting outta here. it's Super Stupid Sunday again

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Hoxzer:

ok, thx guys

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gbee:

Cry_wolf2: can be anywhere you like

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Cry_wolf2:

Ok, thanks

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Cry_wolf2:

Solved it with mod_proxy in apache :=)

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Hoxzer:

Ok, got it :)

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akke:

can anyone recommend me any DVB-S2 card that has the best support under Linux? .. Thanks!

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laga:

heh

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laga:

asking in three channels, huh? :)

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akke:

;)

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akke:

i got forwarded to this channel :p

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Hoxzer:

#linuxtv ?

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Hoxzer:

well, ok ok you can ask it here

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Dagmar:

...and we can ignore it like th others did.

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madfactor:

Hey guys and gals. :)

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madfactor:

ne1 here?

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laga:

no

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madfactor:

That is becoming apparent. (hehe)

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juski:

!seen anybody-with-a-clue

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MythLogBot:

anybody-with-a-clue has not been seen here

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psofa:

okay thats no myth specific but i think thats the best place to ask: Are there any x264 hints?Poor 3500+ stutters with high quality 720p x264 videos.Like 8gb for 2 hours

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psofa:

xine seems somewhat better than vlc

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clever_:

that bug is back

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clever_:

feedback loop

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clever_:

master backend is spaming the same thing over and over

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clever_:

causing it to take too long for the myth proto handshake

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clever_:

causing mythweb to no work

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clever_:

and im oonly on a pda so i cant easili fix it atm

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** rooaus slaps self *real hard*. Mental note: Never make "improvements" to your mythtv setup while suffering a migraine and being doped to the eyeballs. **

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rooaus:

Like making changes to your setup that makes your one and only production myth boxen a slave backend, with no master. Then go away for the weekend and return to no recordings, other half is not impressed... :(

[14:33:57]

laga:

other half needs to take care of her geek better

[14:35:03]

loops:

okay.. probably dumb question.. but does Mytharchive plugin have to be installed on frontend or backend machine?

[14:36:01]

rooaus:

laga: I don't even remember making the change, but someone must of. lol

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rooaus:

loops: Frontend

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loops:

rooaus, doh.. thanks.. no wonder i was havin troubles

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rooaus:

loops: Fair enough. There are no plugins for the backend at all (that I know of).

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cesman:

it needs to be installed on the computer w/ a burner ;)

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jarle:

When I press "c" to change input, will it automatically change input or do I need to press something to "select" that input?

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cesman:

just 'c'

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leprechau:

i have a quick question about myth-vid svn trunk...i was reading a howto on the wiki about mythtv in a framebuffer and it suggested using this svn trunk....what exactly is different about that trunk compared to the main?

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fryfrog:

trunk is latest and greatest developement version

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fryfrog:

svn -fixes is the last "stable" version

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leprechau:

right...but what is myth-vid

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fryfrog:

oh, sorry no idea

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fryfrog:

maybe it means mythvideo?

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leprechau:

what is different about that branch?

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fryfrog:

oh

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leprechau:

well mythtv-vid

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fryfrog:

check it and the trunk branch out, do a diff

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leprechau:

it's referred to alot in all the posts about mythtv with directfb

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leprechau:

including the mythtv on ps3 howtos

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leprechau:

cool...

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leprechau:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2287

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leprechau:

:}

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jarle:

mythtv does not have a good way of sorting radio-channels from tv-channels?

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** jarle finds it a bit frustrating scrolling through hundred of channels in the EPG list... **

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jarle:

is there a better way to browse the channels then using the epg? I'd like to have the ability to only show tv/radio-channels, only channels from one input, only channels starting with the letter "x" for example. Seems like "m" shows epg for all inputs, which is a bit too much for me to browse...

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Caliban:

:se noai

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Caliban:

atrus:se ai

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laga:

Caliban: ?

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opello:

vim?

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dr_willis:

:wq

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dr_willis:

:)

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sebrock:

anyone knows why my NFS mount says failed on boot (and takes forever) but then clearly is mounted anyway?

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leprechau:

are you using nfs mounts from /etc/fstab?

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leprechau:

and are you using an ip or hostmask...if hostmask add it to your /etc/hosts

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robbins876:

How do I backup mythconverg?

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laga:

robbins876: mysqldump

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robbins876:

laga, what does that do?

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tank-man:

dumps the mythconverg (mysql database) to a file for backup

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fryfrog:

dumps the mysql db

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robbins876:

so that's the entire command? I don't need to specify a place to dump to?

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laga:

robbins876: read man mysqldump

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robbins876:

what properties, if any, should i use for the dump?

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tank-man:

the one recomended in the docs/howto

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tank-man:

tells you how to backup and restore

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robbins876:

mysqldump -u mythconverg -p --extended-insert --databases mythconverg > mythconverg.bak Password: <password>

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robbins876:

will that do it?

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fryfrog:

i tend to use "mysqldump -u root -p --opt mythconverg | bzip2 > mythconverg.sql.bz2 myself

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juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual: . . . _Maintenance

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tank-man:

google "mythtv mysqldump", first hit will help

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fryfrog:

oops, forgot the ending "

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fryfrog:

obviously "myself" isn't part of the command i use :)

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juski:

I use http://sourceforge.net/projects/automysqlbackup/

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juski:

backing up the database once in a blue moon won't do you much good if the brown stuff hits the whirly thing

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gbee:

jarle: no current way to really sort channels like that, but somewhere on my list of tasks is the possibility to group channels by category, so you can view just the sports channels, news, entertainment, radio etc

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robbins876:

Alright, well, I've got it backed up now

[17:31:16]

robbins876:

And there's a something in this wiki that says I should make it a daily cron job

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fryfrog:

robbins876: you can if you want, or you could just back it up when you are goofing with it.

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robbins876:

fryfrog, my question is, how do I make the cron file?

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fryfrog:

I *personally* use rsnapshot to do hourly/daily/weekly backups and it includes the ability to backup db (through custom scripts)

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fryfrog:

just throw that command into crontab if you like

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fryfrog:

"crontab -e"

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fryfrog:

figure out the right first portion (crontab is complicatedzor)

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ZipMsp:

I'm following this guide: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch and when I do mythtv-setup I get this error message: http://pastebin.com/f244a7b26

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ZipMsp:

any hints?

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robbins876:

Once I make the cron file, do I need to chmod it or anything to get it to work?

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xris:

cron file with what?

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robbins876:

xris: to make my database backup automatically

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xris:

ah

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my2keh:

yo yo yo

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juski:

no no no

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my2keh:

ha!

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ZipMsp:

anyone ever gotten "No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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juski:

ZipMsp: usually because folks haven't installed the qt mysql libs

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leprechau:

im trying to build mythtv-vid with qte-3.3.8 and directfb 1.0.0 ... it builds fine up untill the last little bit..here is where it is crashing out...

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leprechau:

http://pastebin.com/m4bfe4870

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leprechau:

any help would be appreciated

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xris:

leprechau: more context is always nice (in multi-thread compiles, the error can happen a page or two back), but it looks like you're missing some qt libraries

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leprechau:

it's qt embedded 3.3.8

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xris:

may not work at all, then.

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xris:

I've never heard of anyone using it.

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leprechau:

well it's what's reccomended for building mythtv without X11

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leprechau:

for use under directfb

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robbins876:

there is a perl script that optimizes the database, apparently... it's optimize_mythdb.pl

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robbins876:

how do i run that?

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robbins876:

/usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.20/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl

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robbins876:

?

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robbins876:

looks like that did it

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xris:

robbins876: you just run it. :)

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xris:

leprechau: directfb support isn't really maintained.. it very well could be broken in trunk

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ZipMsp:

I am also getting "error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'"

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xris:

when doing what?

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dbkr_:

hi all – how do I change the default time that MythTV records for when I press 'r' whilst watching live TV? Given that I'm watching the composite input of my card which therefore has no schedule information.

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ZipMsp:

xris: mysqladmin -u root password

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ZipMsp:

i am following a guide and it told me to do that

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xris:

ZipMsp: you missed -p

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ZipMsp:

xris: it gives the same error message when i use -p

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xris:

ZipMsp: what are you trying to do?

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ZipMsp:

install mythtv

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xris:

you shouldn't need mysqladmin for that

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ZipMsp:

when i run mythtv-setup it loops over an error message:

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dbkr_:

ZipMsp: don't forget it's -ppassword, not -p password

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dbkr_:

or just leave it out and it'll prompt you

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ZipMsp:

http://pastebin.com/mf1c09bf

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dbkr_:

ZipMsp: di you know that you've set up the mythtv database account / password

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dbkr_:

?

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ZipMsp:

i haven't, all i have done is what is listed here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch

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dbkr_:

have you done any setup to MySQL?

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ZipMsp:

only what is listed on that guide

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Cry_wolf2:

mysqladmin -u root password yourpasswordhere

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Cry_wolf2:

I used that guide and it was fine

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ZipMsp:

MediaBox:/home/blake# mysqladmin -u root password apassword

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ZipMsp:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

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ZipMsp:

error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'

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ZipMsp:

MediaBox:/home/blake#

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xris:

still need a -p

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Cry_wolf2:

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ZipMsp:

Cry_wolf2 : You installed just the base Debian and that guide worked?

[18:22:36]

Cry_wolf2:

yes

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ZipMsp:

without any setup not listed on that page?

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xris:

Cry_wolf2: it does when I use it.. but I haven't done the root password reset in ages, so maybe that doesn't need it.

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Cry_wolf2:

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dbkr_:

ZipMsp: that presumably means you've managed to set a root password

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dbkr_:

hence why its not letting you in

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dbkr_:

so try:

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dbkr_:

mysql -u root -p

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dbkr_:

and then give it the password you gave originally

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ZipMsp:

the root password?

[18:23:46]

dbkr_:

yeah

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ZipMsp:

ok, i just changed my root password to make sure i'm entering the right password and here's what i got:

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ZipMsp:

MediaBox:/home/blake# mysql -u root -p

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ZipMsp:

Enter password:

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ZipMsp:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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ZipMsp:

MediaBox:/home/blake#

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – mythtv is segfaulting. I setup dual head today, myth was working fine yesterday. Is this a known issue?

[18:26:41]

dbkr_:

ZipMsp: how did you change the root password?

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Dibblah:

Super_Cat_Frog: Version?

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ZipMsp:

dbkr_ : passwd

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dbkr_:

that's the password for your OS

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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dbkr_:

the mysql root password is separate

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Super_Cat_Frog:

thats from mythfrontend --version

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ZipMsp:

can i change the mysql root password

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Super_Cat_Frog:

running mythfrontend outputs this: http://rafb.net/p/Er6qpy26.html

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dbkr_:

ZipMsp: yes, that's what "mysqladmin -u root password apassword" does

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ZipMsp:

MediaBox:/home/blake# /etc/init.d/mysql restart

[18:31:18]

ZipMsp:

Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld.

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ZipMsp:

Starting MySQL database server: mysqld.

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ZipMsp:

Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables..

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ZipMsp:

MediaBox:/home/blake# mysqladmin -u root password apassword

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Super_Cat_Frog:

Dibblah: 0.20.20060828–3

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ZipMsp:

mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed

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ZipMsp:

error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'

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ZipMsp:

MediaBox:/home/blake#

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ZipMsp: thats something in the init script trying to connect. Debian based systems do this, using debian-sys-maintainer

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dbkr_:

we appear to be back to:

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dbkr_:

[19:23] <dbkr_> ZipMsp: that presumably means you've managed to set a root password

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dbkr_:

[19:23] <dbkr_> hence why its not letting you in

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Super_Cat_Frog:

although i presume your not using a debian based system, so look in the init script for clues

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ZipMsp:

then i asked you if i could reset the password

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ZipMsp:

and you said to do what i just did

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dbkr_:

trouble is, that command assume there's no password on your database

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ZipMsp:

so how do i reset the password

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dbkr_:

can you remeber what you set it to the first time you ran that?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ZipMsp: ah, sorryy, ignore what i said – i misread the output

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ZipMsp:

dbkr_ : i checked my bash history, and i see what i set it to

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ZipMsp: use this:

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dbkr_:

otherwise you'll need to to funny thing involving skipping grant tables

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Super_Cat_Frog:

actually, just ignore me

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** Super_Cat_Frog shuts up **

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ZipMsp:

ok, i'm going to reinstall debian

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ZipMsp:

just to get a control

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dbkr_:

that's a bit rash!

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xris:

ZipMsp: easier to just remove mysql

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xris:

remove the mysql package, delete /var/lib/mysql, then reinstall mysql

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Super_Cat_Frog:

dpkg --purge mysql

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Super_Cat_Frog:

(or is it mysql-server ?? )

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ZipMsp:

apt-get remove mysql-server

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ZipMsp:

that's what i am going to do on debian

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ZipMsp:

but i didn't know about /var/lib/mysql

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dbkr_:

don't forget to nuke the data directory

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dbkr_:

yeah, that

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Super_Cat_Frog:

i presume purge will delete your data dir, and you haven't customised your config files

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ZipMsp:

ok, removed mysql-server, deleted /var/lib/mysql, apt-got mysql-server, do i have to start mysql via init.d before i do the mysqladmin command

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dbkr_:

yes

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JayRoe:

can someone tell me how I get mythtv to autoplay a dvd. I have monitoring enabled and it's set to play the dvd on insertion. But nomatter how I configure it, it always open the mythdvd menu instead.

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xris:

ZipMsp: probably

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** dbkr_ gets p****ed off with mythtv and goes for dinner **

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ZipMsp:

MediaBox:/var/lib# /etc/init.d/mysql start

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ZipMsp:

dFG: `/var/lib/mysql/.': No such file or directory

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xris:

ZipMsp: nice.. sounds like the package didn't install/create the directory.

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ZipMsp:

if i mkdir /var/lib/mysql it fails starting mysql

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ZipMsp:

i am going to reinstall debian and let you guys know how it goes, thanks for the help everyone

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ZipMsp:

if debian doesn't work i'm going to find a new distro

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robbins876:

Alright, I've got a new problem...It's my understanding that in order to watch movies that are hosted off of my backend on a dedicated frontend, the files must be mounted on the dedicated frontend in the same place as they are on the backend...

[18:57:32]

robbins876:

However, the directory which holds my movies is now approaching more than 70GB, but the drive on my dedicated frontend is only a 40GB, so it can no longer mount to that space

[18:57:47]

robbins876:

How do I get around that?

[19:02:01]

robbins876:

At least, that's what I think is the problem.

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par-joha:

robbins876: Could you elaborate? You don't have to have 70GB available to remotely mount 70GB.

[19:03:28]

robbins876:

On the dedicated frontend, it's only got a little 40GB hard drive

[19:03:42]

robbins876:

and I think that when I try to mount this 70GB directory from my backend, it has issues

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dbkr_:

robbins876: are you getting an error message?

[19:04:01]

robbins876:

dbkr_, when I do cd /store/movies

[19:04:16]

robbins876:

it changes to that directory, but when I do ls it sais invalid argument, or something along those lines

[19:04:25]

robbins876:

the /store/posters directory loads and ls fine

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dbkr_:

try dmesg | less

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par-joha:

robbins876: Could you get the exact error message?

[19:05:55]

par-joha:

use http://pastebin.ca if it's more than one line.

[19:06:08]

robbins876:

alright, gotta go check it out

[19:06:09]

robbins876:

brb

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kdubya:

is there anyway to stop my blacks from clipping

[19:07:29]

kdubya:

im going out to a TV thought hdmi

[19:07:32]

kdubya:

though

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kdubya:

through*

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kdubya:

in mplayers i can fix it with -pp=al but i dont know how to do that to mythtv

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kdubya:

mplayer*

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mythbox is now known as robbins88

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robbins88:

alright, i'm on the other box in my living room now

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kdubya:

congratulations

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robbins88:

i know...it's a big step

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kdubya:

heh

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robbins88:

dmesg | less correct?

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dbkr_:

yeah

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robbins88:

how in the hell do i pastebin this thing?

[19:10:25]

robbins88:

it's huge

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par-joha:

robbins876: copy and paste?

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dbkr_:

only the last bit will be relevant

[19:11:40]

dbkr_:

anything mentioning smb or nfs, assuming you're moutning it using one of those

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robbins88:

i'm using CIFS

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robbins88:

http://pastebin.ca/638325

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dbkr_:

what a great error message

[19:13:02]

robbins88:

it's very helpful

[19:13:24]

robbins88:

but like I said, I have a /store/posters mount that's working fine

[19:13:32]

robbins88:

i can view all of those files and everything

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par-joha:

robbins876: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab?

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robbins88:

yeah

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par-joha:

robbins876: ...or the commands you're using to mount

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Tanthrix:

CIFS can be weird sometimes.

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robbins88:

I am using a script that mounts a bunch of different things

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robbins88:

i'm not using fstab to do ti

[19:15:57]

robbins88:

http://pastebin.ca/638331 <<< there's the fstab

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dbkr_:

http://www.nabble.com/Re:-cifs-1.49-return-codes-t4050812.html

[19:16:21]

dbkr_:

may be of use

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Tanthrix:

You may consider rebooting your windows system just for the hell of it – that fixed some mysterious error I was getting when mounting once, using a script that worked fine in the past and suddenly stopped

[19:16:58]

robbins88:

http://pastebin.ca/638332 <<< there's the script

[19:17:08]

robbins88:

Tanthrix: there is no windows system, mate.

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dbkr_:

especially:

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dbkr_:

2) "echo 7 > /proc/fs/cifs/cifsFYI" (enabling cifs

[19:17:15]

dbkr_:

informational/debug messages)

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Tanthrix:

robbins876: Ahh, gotcha.

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robbins88:

I guess the number one question is...is it possible that the directory I am trying to mount is too large for the harddrive on this dedicated frontend?

[19:18:45]

Tanthrix:

That doesn't make any sense

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dbkr_:

nah, it doesn't store anything on the disk, it's just a remote mount

[19:19:15]

Tanthrix:

What he said ;)

[19:19:20]

robbins88:

correct, but I can't figure out why the posters folder works and the movie one doesn't

[19:19:26]

robbins88:

out of the blue, almost

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dbkr_:

unless someone's done a very special bit of coding somwhere deep inside linux's CIFS support

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robbins88:

I just figured that was the case, but I guess not.

[19:20:17]

robbins88:

Did you see anything I'm missing in those pastebins?

[19:20:34]

wesssssssssssssK:

In the process of installing new hardware i reseated my video capture card in a new pci slot and now my MythTV setup will not recognize it

[19:20:39]

robbins88:

and also, I may have done a chmod 777 -R /store/movies on the backend, but i wouldn't think that would cause an issue.

[19:20:45]

wesssssssssssssK:

what's the easiest way to get my system to recognize it in its new slot?

[19:21:18]

dbkr_:

robbins88: does smbclient -L mythbox show the sahre?

[19:21:22]

dbkr_:

*share

[19:21:28]

robbins88:

on the backend?

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dbkr_:

I was thinking where you're trying to mount from, but either may be interesting

[19:22:15]

robbins88:

I get on error on this frontend

[19:22:26]

robbins88:

ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 12050, errno = 0

[19:22:26]

robbins88:

timeout connecting to 208.69.32.130:445

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xris:

any canadians in here?

[19:23:16]

robbins88:

none that will admit to it...

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dbkr_:

hmm, I wonder whether it's something silly like the backend taking so long to list the directory contents that the frontend times out...

[19:24:06]

robbins876:

Like I said, the posters directory works wonderfully

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robbins876:

and it's mounted the exact same way

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dbkr_:

I thought since that had less in it, it would load within the timeout

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robbins876:

Yeah, that's a good point

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robbins876:

online, it says that with CIFS it has trouble with directories that have more than 126 files

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dbkr_:

ah-ha

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robbins876:

but the posters folder has 225 pictures in it

[19:27:44]

robbins876:

so that doesn't make any sense

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jams:

xris- GreyFoxx is in canada

[19:27:53]

dbkr_:

hum

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Tanthrix:

That's a load of junk – I routinely mount folders with a lot more files than that

[19:28:16]

xris:

jams: yeah, but not around. :)

[19:28:18]

robbins876:

should I mount with something other than CIFS?

[19:28:21]

dbkr_:

do you need to use CIFS: could you use NFS instead?

[19:28:23]

jams:

good point

[19:28:34]

par-joha:

robbins876: ...or smb?

[19:28:41]

robbins876:

I can use anything, it's going from linux box to linux box

[19:28:50]

xris:

no biggie. just need info on phone number and zipcode formats..

[19:29:06]

dbkr_:

nfs is proably sensible since there's no windows box involved

[19:29:29]

Speedy2:

Hrm, even though CPU Usage is set to low, mythcommflag grinds the system down :/

[19:29:40]

robbins876:

dbkr_, alright, so what will the mount command look like?

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robbins876:

mount -t NFS //192.168.1.103/store/posters /store/posters -o username=mythbox,password=mythbox,rw

[19:30:17]

robbins876:

?

[19:30:26]

robbins876:

i just changed the cifs...clever?

[19:30:27]

Tanthrix:

robbins876: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=nfs+ . . . oogle+Search precisely ;)

[19:30:42]

dbkr_:

something like mount -t nfs 192.168.something.something:/dump /mount/point -o hard,rw,async,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192

[19:30:50]

jams:

xris- the zipcode is alphanumeric 6 digits

[19:31:03]

** dbkr_ suggests those options for general sensivle behaviour and speed accross a LAN **

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jams:

we run into that all the time at work.

[19:31:32]

jams:

no idea if the phone is vastly different or not

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robbins876:

mount -t nfs 192.168.1.103:/store/movies /store/movies -o hard,rw,async,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192

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robbins876:

does that look right?

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dbkr_:

looks good

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robbins876:

do I need to load anything on the backend to make it work first?

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dbkr_:

you'll need to start the collection of nfs stuff

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dbkr_:

some of which you'll also need to start on the client

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dbkr_:

/etc/init.d/nfs start on the server and /etc/init.d/nfsmount start on Gentoo, or equivalent on whatever you're running

[19:33:45]

dbkr_:

add a 'on the client' before 'on Gentoo' in that message

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wesssssssssssssK:

i moved my pvr150 to a new pci slot, how do i get mythtv to recognize it?

[19:34:33]

jams:

wesssssssssssssK- shouldn't need todo anything

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

brb

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dbkr_:

wesssssssssssssK: does it show up in lspci?

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: i guess thats my question, cause i know it should recognize it, but it didnt, and how do i check if its damaged or recognized by the computer?

[19:36:07]

dbkr_:

wesssssssssssssK: lspci

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robbins88:

dbkr_: /etc/init.d/nfsmount doesn't work on the client box

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dbkr_:

what distro?

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robbins88:

this is fedora core 6

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robbins88:

the backend is fedora 7

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** dbkr_ know nothing about Fedora **

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robbins88:

oh, it's just in nfs start

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robbins88:

it loads mountd

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dbkr_:

oh, you'll also need to add it to /etc/exports though

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dbkr_:

(on the server)

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dbkr_:

man exports will explain all

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robbins88:

alright, i just ran this command

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robbins88:

mount -t nfs 192.168.1.103:/store/movies /store/movies -o hard,rw,async,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192

[19:38:32]

robbins88:

and it says...mount: 192.168.1.103:/store/movies failed, reason given by server: Permission denied

[19:38:44]

dbkr_:

yeah, add it to /etc/exports

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robbins88:

alright, i'm going back to my room now

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dbkr_:

that's good though, means it's connecting and everything

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: 01:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) :the pci output for that bus

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: it seems normal, but i don't know

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robbins876:

yeah, i thought so too, dbkr_

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jams:

wesssssssssssssK- anything in the messges file about ivtv?

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jams:

also do you have other cards in the system

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Speedy2:

Anyone else have an issue with mythcommflag using too much CPU? It's nice level is already 19 but my system is very unresponsive.

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robbins876:

alright, i'm looking at the man epxorts thing

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: messages file?

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jams:

/var/log/

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: no other capture cards

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dbkr_:

gah, why does mythtv fail to tune to my composite input channel when I schedule a recording, when I can tune it perfectly from the frontend whilst watching TV?

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robbins876:

dbkr_, in /etc/exports I want to add a line that says something like... /store/movies then what?

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dbkr_:

/etc/exports ip.address.of.client(rw,async,no_subtree_check)

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dbkr_:

probably

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robbins876:

alright...

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dbkr_:

and then restart nfs

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dbkr_:

(or exportfs -ra)

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robbins876:

will i need to do this for the posters directory too, even though it's working with CIFS?

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robbins876:

'/store/movies 192.168.1.3(rw,async,no_subtree_check)' <<< look good to you?

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dbkr_:

only if you want to change to to nfs

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dbkr_:

yeah, looks fine

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins88:

dbkr_: hooray for it working!

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dbkr_:

whoo! :)

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: no, not that i saw

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dbkr_:

I'm glad something is :)

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robbins88:

thanks man

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: ive recently installed an nvidia tv-out card with driver, which is the reason for the new slot

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: that wouldnt conflict, would it?

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jams:

wesssssssssssssK- did it even load the ivtv driver?

[19:55:11]

Aval0n:

is the hd3000 the best card for myth?

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Aval0n:

for HD

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dbkr_:

ah, any idea what I put in for 'Frequency or Channel' for the composite input of my TV card?

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jams:

lsmod to see the list of loaded modules

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Aval0n:

I want to use QAM256 and an HD card, besides the HD3000 are there any other cards that work just as well?

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: no, it appears not

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: it was definitely working fine before i moved it

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jams:

wesssssssssssssK- modprobe ivtv

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jams:

then check the messages file again

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blackest:

anyone tried using mythtv to stream to a windows mobile device ?

[20:00:24]

jams:

also did you update the kernel?

[20:00:55]

jams:

also did you update the kernel, when you installed the nvidia driver?

[20:02:06]

wesssssssssssssK:

jams: FATAL: Module ivtv not found.

[20:02:14]

wesssssssssssssK:

and no i did not

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jams:

well ivtv doesn't appear to be installed

[20:03:04]

jams:

and that would explain why things aren't working

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jams:

what distro?

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** juski holds up the card saying "www.ivtvdriver.org" **

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wesssssssssssssK:

fc6

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: i guess it would.. but it doesnt explain how it was working before

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jams:

well there should be a pkg for ivtv and your kernel, but I can't really help you past that

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jams:

oh i'm sure it was installed before. perhaps the nvidia driver update did something

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Administrator:

can anyone help me?

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Administrator:

im under video input and im scanning for stations

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Administrator:

nothing is showing up

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Administrator:

Im using capture card pvr 150..should I be using the mpeg2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)

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wesssssssssssssK:

jams: thanks for your help

[20:07:06]

juski:

Administrator: analogue scanning doesn't generally work well

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juski:

Administrator: and yes you should use that capture card type in mythtv-setup. nothing else will work

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Administrator:

k

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Administrator:

hmm im still not picking up anything

[20:07:55]

Administrator:

i have ran mythilldatabase and that works like a champ

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juski:

so that should fill channels into the setup then

[20:08:10]

Administrator:

im using svideo

[20:08:14]

juski:

well DUG

[20:08:26]

juski:

duh of course scanning will not work if you use svideo input!

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Administrator:

ahhh, but that is what I was told to use

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juski:

for grabbing from a cable/satellite set top box?

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Administrator:

satellite

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Administrator:

direct tv

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juski:

Administrator: you should already have channels & whatnot set up when you ran mythfilldatabase – everything should even have the right numbers – no need to scan at all – not that it'd work anyway

[20:10:10]

Administrator:

ok

[20:10:13]

Aval0n:

I want to use QAM256 and an HD card, besides the HD3000 are there any other cards that work just as well?

[20:10:22]

juski:

sounds like you also need a means of making mythtv change channel on the STB

[20:10:32]

kyle927:

just get the cheapest card you can find

[20:10:33]

juski:

Aval0n: quite an echo we got in here

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kyle927:

the HD ones are all the same

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fryfrog:

I have an air2pc card, worked pretty well until comcast farked around with their QAM I think

[20:11:17]

fryfrog:

i forget if it was an "hd5000" or hd3000 or what though

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Administrator:

juski: so are u saying I should not be using svideo?

[20:11:19]

kyle927:

i use two kworld 115's

[20:11:28]

Aval0n:

juski just asking again, because 20 minutes ago when I asked the first time, I got no replies

[20:11:29]

kyle927:

they were $25 after rebate from fry's a couple months ago

[20:12:01]

juski:

Administrator: NO I'm sayiong OF COURSE YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SCAN FOR CHANNELS BECAUSE THAT WON'T WORK WITH SVIDEO!!!!!!!

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kyle927:

heh

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Administrator:

omg

[20:12:57]

Administrator:

why is he such an ass on this channel

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dbkr_:

harsh, but fair

[20:13:08]

kyle927:

to make you hate yourself

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fryfrog:

if you don't like someone, ignore them or something

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gbee:

he's earnt the right

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Administrator:

gez im a newbie at this

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Administrator:

just asking questions bc I have never set this up

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kyle927:

yah man gez

[20:13:43]

Aval0n:

kyle I pm'd you

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juski:

Administrator: just get this into your head ok.. if you have a set top box, there is literally *no* point scanning for channels

[20:14:03]

kyle927:

apparently you have to register to get PMs

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Aval0n:

oh

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kyle927:

and that is not something i am willing to put forth the effort to do

[20:14:21]

Aval0n:

I asked if you are able to use HD an analog at the same time?

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juski:

Administrator: you cannot scan for channels when you use svideo. even if you used coax input into your tuner card, you would still only get one channel if you scanned

[20:14:35]

kyle927:

you can plug them both in

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kyle927:

but you cannot tune analogue and HD at the same time

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Administrator:

juski: OK I DONT CARE ABOUT SCANNING CHANNELS

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juski:

Administrator: you get all your channel lineup if you set up your zap2it account details correctly – channel numbers & everything

[20:15:22]

kyle927:

imean

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kyle927:

you have two tuners

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juski:

and you'll *definitely* need a means of mythtv changing channels on the STB

[20:15:31]

Administrator:

juski: I am not getting any video is the problem...I was reading the tutorial and it said to scan for channels...I AM DOING WHAT THE DANG DIRECTIONS SAY

[20:15:33]

Aval0n:

but if I am scanning through the channels, I can go from an analog to HD but not PIP

[20:15:35]

Aval0n:

correct?

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kyle927:

correct

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juski:

Administrator: then this 'tutorial' is blatently ***wrong***

[20:16:02]

kyle927:

with one card you can tune one channel

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kyle927:

be it HD or analog

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Administrator:

juski: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_MythTV#Input_connections

[20:16:34]

Aval0n:

and your card was easy to setup for HD?

[20:16:36]

kyle927:

the hardware is probably capable of both at the same time but the driver stops it from happening

[20:16:46]

kyle927:

yeah

[20:17:02]

kyle927:

well its the only one i ever used but it worked as soon as i plugged it in

[20:17:03]

Administrator:

juski: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_MythTV

[20:17:06]

juski:

Administrator: I don't care where you got the duff info from – that isn't the point. the 'fetch channel lineup from listings source' is what'd bring your channels into mythtv-setup – not scanning IIRC

[20:17:19]

Aval0n:

kyle and what was the name of the card you used

[20:17:22]

kyle927:

but i am using mythdora so maybe it was already set up for me

[20:17:38]

juski:

I think what's happenned is that you've mistaken a generic howto guide & thought it was suitable for your specific case ;)

[20:17:46]

Administrator:

juski: OK I GET IT, I JUST WANT to see something come through... AGAIN nothing is comming through...are you done being an ASS?

[20:18:11]

kyle927:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Kworld_ATSC_110

[20:18:18]

Aval0n:

Is it possible to have dvr in 4 rooms

[20:18:19]

kyle927:

there is both 115 and 110

[20:18:21]

Administrator:

im here to ask for help...I dont want help from someone that is going to be an ass

[20:18:22]

juski:

Administrator: how am I being an ass? Look mate if you don't want help...

[20:18:24]

Aval0n:

how many tuners would that take?

[20:18:26]

kyle927:

as far as we are concserned its the same

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** dbkr_ suggests that calling people names is probably not the right way to go about getting people to help you **

[20:18:47]

kyle927:

uhm

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kyle927:

4

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juski:

all I've done is raise my voice a bit because I didn't seem to be getting through

[20:19:03]

Aval0n:

and 4 video cards?

[20:19:12]

kyle927:

what are you trying to do?

[20:19:25]

kyle927:

have one computer output to 4 TVs?

[20:19:25]

kyle927:

heh

[20:19:27]

juski:

Aval0n: at least one tuner per frontend that wants to watch livetv

[20:19:29]

Aval0n:

yes

[20:19:41]

kyle927:

i think that is a pain

[20:19:41]

juski:

Aval0n: eew. messy!

[20:19:54]

kyle927:

you have to set up lirc on each one

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kyle927:

forget that

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juski:

4 X servers is one thing. 4x audio outputs is another. 4 remotes.. yuk

[20:20:10]

Aval0n:

heheh

[20:20:19]

Aval0n:

what about those mythmvp things?

[20:20:22]

Aval0n:

what do those do

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kyle927:

you should set up one server as the backend

[20:20:39]

kyle927:

and get some cheap components

[20:20:42]

kyle927:

for frontends

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juski:

Administrator: you've set up a zap2it account yes? with all your channel details on there? and you told mythtv-setup about that account yes? then you used the 'fetch channels from listings source' in mythtv-setup no?

[20:21:16]

kyle927:

that way you only have to run cat5 anyway

[20:21:25]

Administrator:

anyways, can someone help me troubleshoot why I am, I have ran through this tutorial http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_MythTV

[20:21:31]

Administrator:

juski: yes I have done all of that

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Administrator:

juski: that all works..I can see listings

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Aval0n:

kyle are you on efnet too?

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juski:

Administrator: and you have some kind of IR blaster or something to change channels on the STB?

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kyle927:

no

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Administrator:

juski: no I was using my keyboard to search through channels

[20:22:11]

Administrator:

juski: and I have a remote

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juski:

Administrator: so in input connections in mythtv-setup did you bind the 'video source' (damn stupid name for it) to the tuner card's svideo input????

[20:22:22]

kyle927:

ok now i am

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Aval0n:

what's your nick?

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Administrator:

juski: yes sir that binded :)

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kyle927:

same

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juski:

Administrator: then you ran mythfilldatabase & started mythbackend.. then what?

[20:23:17]

Administrator:

juski: yep that went through successfully

[20:23:32]

Administrator:

juski: just no video

[20:23:37]

juski:

audio?

[20:24:17]

juski:

right and this card is known to work in linux already – I mean it *has* been tested & proven to work, right ?

[20:24:20]

Administrator:

juski: i dont have audio setup yet

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juski:

what might have happened is that the tuner card driver has got its inputs in a twist – maybe whatever myth is calling 'svideo' is actually another input. is this a hauppauge pvr card or some waste of time framegrabber thing?

[20:26:26]

Administrator:

juski: its a hauppauge pvr

[20:26:36]

juski:

and you know it works already, yes?

[20:26:37]

varun_:

is there a reason that I can't fast-forward an mkv file?

[20:26:43]

subx:

what kind of things do u look at on your mythbackend server to make sure things are running ok?

[20:26:55]

Administrator:

juski: hmmm no actualy I don't I bought it brand new

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juski:

subx: ps -ef |grep mythbackend

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juski:

Administrator: you really really REALLY need to prove it works in linux before playing with mythtv already

[20:27:16]

subx:

interesting

[20:27:55]

juski:

Administrator: see www.ivtvdriver.org & the section about testing the drivers work

[20:28:16]

juski:

if you've not tested the card already I strongly suggest you drop mythtv & get onto that

[20:28:33]

juski:

cos if mythtv ain't worky – what's to blame? hmmm.. is it mythtv or is it the tuner card?

[20:28:47]

subx:

no its linux!

[20:29:15]

juski:

you just can't rush this stuff. things get very messed up when you rush

[20:29:17]

Administrator:

juski: cool I will check that out, thanks

[20:29:29]

subx:

what is the correct way of saying linux, is it line-ux, or lin-ux ?

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dbkr_:

the latter

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Administrator:

lin-ix :)

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juski:

subx: Linus reckons it's "lin-ux"

[20:29:57]

subx:

ok ill stick with that

[20:30:03]

subx:

thats what i been using anyway

[20:30:06]

** gbee goes with lin-ux **

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juski:

if I hear one more person at work say "my sequel" I swear I will kill

[20:30:27]

dbkr_:

nominally 'leen-ux' in Finnish, but the English way is 'lin0ux'

[20:30:53]

juski:

what does your desktop run? Zorg 9 or Zorg 10 ?

[20:30:56]

subx:

i just say, my s q l

[20:30:56]

gbee:

but some people reckon it should be line-ux because that's how Linus is pronounced

[20:30:57]

juski:

zorg? ffs

[20:31:19]

fryfrog:

what you need is the old sound bite of linux torvalds pronouncing linux

[20:31:32]

fryfrog:

"My name is Linus Torvalds and I say linux linux"

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juski:

yeah that one some wiki or other links you to to test your 5.1 surround setup.. :-\

[20:31:43]

fryfrog:

used to be the old oss sound test, i believe?

[20:32:09]

dbkr_:

has anyone managed to get mythtv to record for more than an hour from a composite input? I'm completely exasperated.

[20:32:09]

Pryon:

silly.au, I believe

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gbee:

juski: mysquel :p

[20:32:13]

juski:

it's in the wiki I think

[20:32:26]

fryfrog:

dbkr_: no, not ever in the history of mankind even

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** juski turns his gun on the room. then douses it in petrol. casually drops a match as he leaves... **

[20:33:10]

dbkr_:

fryfrog: is there any reason why not?

[20:33:23]

immolo:

ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/SillySounds/english.au

[20:33:23]

immolo:

That file?

[20:33:23]

fryfrog:

sarcasm, mainly

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juski:

dbkr_: if there's no EPG for that input, all you get is one hour. MythTV != VCR

[20:33:52]

fryfrog:

zomgscore!

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dbkr_:

yeah, so I gathered :/

[20:34:00]

juski:

dbkr_: it's set in the source to do that

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subx:

the 0.21 bug fixes release is pretty damn good

[20:34:11]

Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – mythtv is segfaulting. I setup dual head today, myth was working fine yesterday. Is this a known issue?

[20:34:14]

Super_Cat_Frog:

running mythfrontend outputs this: http://rafb.net/p/Er6qpy26.html

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dbkr_:

any idea whereabouts?

[20:34:19]

Super_Cat_Frog:

version: 0.20.20060828–3

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subx:

i mean 0.20

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jams:

Super_Cat_Frog- i ran into that, had to compile without xrandr

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juski:

dbkr_: several ways around it. schedule a manual recording from the input for a given length of time, then trim the recording later with mythtv's edit function – OR – fiddle some mysql & make a dummy programme guide for that input :)

[20:35:07]

subx:

all u guys are compile freaks

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Super_Cat_Frog:

no other workarounds? or anybody want to help me get a crash dump??

[20:35:19]

subx:

whats wrong with good old apt-get install

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juski:

subx: yeah, cos compiling mythtv is SO hard :)

[20:35:32]

subx:

ive never tried..

[20:35:33]

juski:

subx: some packages stink pooey

[20:35:53]

subx:

the debian etch package is ok

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gbee:

subx: 0.20-fixes might be good, but trunk is better :)

[20:36:16]

dbkr_:

I tried the former, byt mythtv fails to tune the channel if I do that

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subx:

doesnt trunk mean unstable?

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dbkr_:

I can't even imagine hy

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juski:

it's no great hardship – made much easier with apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins :D

[20:36:26]

dbkr_:

*why

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juski:

dbkr_: because the channel doesn't exist for that input perhaps

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dbkr_:

juski: do you know which table I should be messing with in the database to mess with the listings?

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juski:

dbkr_: program IIRC

[20:37:15]

dbkr_:

hmm, tried that: didn't work

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dbkr_:

it showed up in the listings with a dotted blue border

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juski:

surely someone here could help you make a dummy EPG listing

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fryfrog:

my cat just totally rubbed against me, then fell off the table

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fryfrog:

hahaha

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gbee:

subx: besides which, a lot of -fixes packages are pretty damn old and don't contain half the fixes that -fixes now contains. fixes

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dbkr_:

"This show does not match the current program listings"

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subx:

gbee: well i just have to wait until my distro releases another update

[20:38:55]

juski:

subx: compiling will take *much* less time

[20:38:56]

subx:

there is no rush!

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juski:

:-P

[20:39:07]

subx:

hehe especially with debian..

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dbkr_:

I have channel 999 set up as the composite, and I can type '999, enter' whillst watching TV to tune to that channel, so I assumed that means it should be able to tune it on a schedued recording

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gbee:

fryfrog: lol, mine is climbing the bookcase

[20:39:57]

gbee:

dbkr_: is the channel configured as 'hidden' (or not visible)

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juski:

subx: when I ran gentoo I got bored of waiting for updates

[20:40:51]

subx:

some VERY good news regarding zoneminder, it looks like 3 out of the 4 bugs have been fixed :D http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi? . . . ist=unstable

[20:40:54]

juski:

if you do a build with ccache, compiles take ever less time up to a point :)

[20:41:00]

gbee:

you generally can't record from hidden channels, it's not a feature and I wouldn't really call it a bug, it's somewhere between the two

[20:41:33]

dbkr_:

nope, visible is 1

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juski:

I remembered the other day about a guy who once asked if there was a way he could cover his tracks from watching porn channels – his STB was always left on the naughty channel & he was scared his mrs would find out if he slipped up

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gbee:

juski: so ... were you able to give him an answer?

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dbkr_:

that said, if I go down from chnnel no 1, it skips past it

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** gbee scrabbles for pen and paper **

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dbkr_:

http://pastebin.ca/638435

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dbkr_:

is the error in mythbackend.log

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juski:

gbee: told him to schedule a recording from a harmless channel first thing in the morning, same time every day :)

[20:45:16]

dbkr_:

where 'Composite1' is the value of 'freqid'

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juski:

dbkr_: freqid needs to be a number, generally

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Aval0n:

if you run 2 frontends on 1 machines, hdtv in main room and s-video in 2nd, how do you get audio to the 2nd TV? if you have 1 sound card wouldn't all the audio come out jumbled together on the single output?

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juski:

Aval0n: 2 soundcards

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juski:

Aval0n: override the 2nd instance of mythfrontend & tell it to use the other audio output

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dbkr_:

I tried 2, which is the corresponding number according to v4l-info, but that doesn't work either

[20:47:30]

Aval0n:

sounds complicated

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juski:

dbkr_: this 'dummy' channel is on its *own* video source yes? it should be

[20:48:50]

dbkr_:

juski: yeah, it is

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juski:

then bind the video source to the composite input, from input connections in mythtv-setup

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juski:

well, anyway I'm tired, so I'm offski

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dbkr_:

thats for the help

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dbkr_:

*thanks

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dbkr_:

oh :/

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Speedy2:

Slightly off topic, anyone here capture video from a bt848/878 card under Windows?

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fryfrog:

Aval0n: would you just use two sound cards?

[20:51:29]

fryfrog:

point one front end to one sound card, the other front end to another?

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fryfrog:

you might need to set the "hostname" for each one manually to say "host1" and "host2", to differenciate them

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Administrator:

juski: ok pvr works

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Administrator:

juski: i was able to run mplayer /dev/video0

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Administrator:

and I got output

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makomk:

Huh? Mythtv just expired the wrong program.

[21:05:05]

makomk:

It skipped over an older program to expire a newer one, despite the older one being set to auto-expire. What's more, I think it's done it several times before, and I've lost shows without noticing.

[21:05:51]

gbee:

makomk: what version?

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gbee:

makomk: also what auto-expire rules are you using?

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gbee:

...... @' .....

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makomk:

gbee: one of the 0.20.1 branch versions (p13783), and it's set to oldest show first.

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gbee:

odd

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clever_:

what?

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gbee:

I'd suggest filing a bug, but I honestly can't imagine what would be going wrong there and why no-one else has ever noticed a problem

[21:16:16]

makomk:

As far as I can tell, it's almost oldest first – it's skiping over two particular recordings, one of which isn't present.

[21:16:36]

clever_:

gbee: sounds like my problem:P

[21:17:23]

gbee:

makomk: not present? meaning the file for that recording doesn't exist?

[21:19:45]

makomk:

gbee: yes, the file's gone missing somehow. That's only for the newer of the two recordings it's skipping over, though.

[21:20:11]

gbee:

ok, still odd

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makomk:

Anyway, this doesn't make any sense and I really need some sleep. I'll take another look at it later and file a bug report when I have time...

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gbee:

makomk, if you can get logs with "mythfrontend -v file" showing it auto-expiring then file a bug

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Aval0n:

guys is there a delay between changing channels in myth?

[21:22:07]

Aval0n:

I use dish network dvr right now

[21:22:11]

Aval0n:

and don't notice one

[21:22:19]

Aval0n:

but back when I used beyondtv 3 it was bad

[21:22:22]

Aval0n:

like a 2–3 sec delay

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gbee:

Aval0n: yes there is a delay and yes, 2–3 secs (or more) is not unusual

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clever_:

i have a frame grabber and an ir blaster

[21:22:58]

clever_:

and its often a 10 sec delay

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clever_:

sometimes it gets so bad that mythtv hits timeouts and gives up

[21:23:21]

Aval0n:

aaack

[21:23:22]

Aval0n:

that suclks

[21:23:26]

Aval0n:

sucks*

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clever_:

i keep having start 'live tv' back up multiple times

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gbee:

most people don't bother watching livetv when they have mythtv, recording everything you want to watch means not having to waste hours of your life watching crap and channel hopping

[21:24:50]

clever_:

yeah

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clever_:

also my system cant record and play at once right now

[21:25:05]

clever_:

so i record and watch it later all the time

[21:25:54]

clever_:

recently

[21:25:58]

clever_:

i was out camping

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clever_:

and some important shows recorded

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clever_:

and i didnt want them to auto expire on me

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clever_:

using the ssh client in my pda i was able to get into mysql and manualy rm a couple unimportant shows

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clever_:

then i used lynx to access mythweb and bearly managed to mark a few things as dont record

[21:27:16]

clever_:

but mythtv needs a better tui for controling it

[21:27:28]

gbee:

?

[21:27:36]

clever_:

test user interface

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clever_:

text*

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Aval0n:

I just checked my dish network dvr

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clever_:

cli

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Aval0n:

it's 2 1/2 delay

[21:28:00]

Aval0n:

2 1/2 second

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clever_:

probly something ncurses based

[21:28:11]

Aval0n:

so I guess I've just not taken notice to it before

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gbee:

clever_: well it has a telnet interface, but I don't think much effort is going to be expended on creating a really good text ui

[21:28:55]

clever_:

yeah the telnet interface gives a small bit of info and alot of control

[21:29:05]

clever_:

but you need to see the frontend for 90% of the stuff it gives you access too

[21:29:21]

clever_:

it lacks access to the scheduling

[21:29:30]

clever_:

but the key cmd lets me control it remotely

[21:29:38]

clever_:

but thats hard to do when im 6 hours away

[21:30:10]

clever_:

tweaks to mythweb to make it more friendly to the lynx or links browser would also do

[21:30:18]

gbee:

Aval0n: the delay is slower if you are using a PVR (ivtv) and connecting the STB because you've got the delay from mythtv and the delay of the STB, a native DVB/ATSC card is faster but there is still an unavoidable delay

[21:30:23]

clever_:

it allready works 40%

[21:30:44]

gbee:

iirc, channel change times have been cut in trunk by a degree

[21:30:44]

clever_:

gbee: i have an external digital tuner and an ir blaster

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clever_:

the ir blaster script has several sleep commands in it

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clever_:

that alone slows it horibly:P

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gbee:

clever_: are you using mythweb in trunk? I've not tried it under lynx or elinks but it's much improved over 0.20

[21:33:25]

Aval0n:

gebee I hope to use a HD-3000 type card

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clever_:

im on trunk mythtv

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clever_:

and mythweb

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Aval0n:

and 2 a two tv setup off of it

[21:33:44]

Aval0n:

and DO a two tv setup

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Aval0n:

I guess 2x hd-3000's

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Aval0n:

anyone know if that little mythmvp frontends does live tv?

[21:34:16]

Aval0n:

or just DVR?

[21:34:29]

clever_:

the recorded page in mythweb under lynx is allmost useless(none of the buttons work)

[21:34:34]

clever_:

but the upcoming recordings page works

[21:34:55]

clever_:

was able to cancle a few things

[21:35:11]

clever_:

but shortly after my random bug came back and killed the master backend

[21:35:27]

clever_:

which killed mythweb(unexpected reply to myth_proto_versoin 34)

[21:35:54]

gbee:

clever_: ahh, just tried mythweb with elinks and I see the problem with the delete links

[21:36:06]

clever_:

yeah those are javascript based

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gbee:

submit that as a bug, because imho it is and either xris or I will fix it

[21:36:19]

clever_:

it reports the delete in the background then hides it from the list

[21:36:45]

clever_:

the upcomming recordings page will submit the change in the fg causing the entire page to reload

[21:37:03]

clever_:

its more likely they will 'fix' the upcomming recordings page to make it reload less often

[21:37:14]

gbee:

not sure if either lynx or elinks has javascript support though

[21:37:23]

clever_:

yeah

[21:37:30]

clever_:

i also get the problem when js is off in my firefox

[21:38:30]

clever_:

you would have to remove features or have mythweb detect the browser without js and duplicate them

[21:38:43]

clever_:

or have them duplicated in a <noscript> tag

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immolo:

elinks has limited javascript I thought

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gbee:

clever_: maybe not, I have an idea, but will need to test it

[21:39:19]

clever_:

29 10:52:41 Size : 80x40

[21:39:29]

clever_:

thats how large the screen is on the cell phone ssh client

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clever_:

with the on screen keyboard off

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clever_:

painfully small

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xris:

clever_: you need to use the compact template if you don't have javascript enabled.

[21:40:48]

clever_:

that one works without js?

[21:40:57]

clever_:

where do i set it?

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xris:

clever_: the default template is intended to require javascript

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gbee:

heh, guess that saves me looking into it

[21:41:17]

xris:

you can change things under settings.

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** clever_ goes to try it **

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clever_:

only templates i see are default and lite

[21:44:02]

clever_:

lite seems to make the delete buttons into normal links

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gbee:

xris: does it switch templates based on user-agent strings? i.e. lynx, elinks etc could automatically use the non-js template?

[21:44:34]

clever_:

i think its a cookie

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clever_:

which remembers what you set in the past

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xris:

gbee: it probably should for lynx/elinks

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xris:

but doesn't

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clever_:

bug filing time:P

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gbee:

I knew there was some mobile detection stuff in there but wasn't sure whether that just changed the height/width or also switched the template

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squish103:

mythfilldatabase does not populate my HD channels, but they do for the SD channels. source is zap2it. any help?

[21:47:10]

xris:

squish103: hd from what source?

[21:47:14]

squish103:

every time i edit 30 channels manually by looking for the xmltvid and populating it through mythweb

[21:47:28]

clever_:

elinks seems to handle the tables a little better then lynx

[21:47:36]

xris:

squish103: you still need to attach the channels to the source id.

[21:47:37]

squish103:

hd is through time warner cable qam256

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clever_:

its not all crushed into 1 line

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xris:

clever_: elinks does some javascript, too

[21:47:57]

clever_:

the delete buttons couldnt be selected in elinks under the default template

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xris:

afk

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squish103:

xris so do i have to do that every time? what i currently do?

[21:48:19]

squish103:

ok

[21:48:39]

xris:

squish103: I didn't have to when I was using an air2pc for OTA stuff... but I forget what I did to get it working.

[21:48:44]

clever_:

also the way tables are done in elinks might be a problem with the pda since the screen is so small

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squish103:

thx

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clever_:

i cant access mythweb with the cell browser

[21:49:09]

clever_:

the port isnt open to the web

[21:49:24]

clever_:

but with pssh i can connect to a pc in the lan and then i get full access to mythweb

[21:50:09]

clever_:

and the damn cache is in the way again:P

[21:50:12]

Aval0n:

how accurate is myth at skipping commercials? any by skipping them, does it not record them? or just not play them back?

[21:50:21]

clever_:

i changed the template and nothing change in the other page

[21:50:30]

clever_:

it loaded way too fast

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clever_:

Aval0n: by default it does neither and you tell it to skip by hitting a key

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Aval0n:

excellent

[21:50:59]

clever_:

you can set it to automaticaly fast forward(skip) thru them at playback

[21:51:05]

Aval0n:

has anyone here switched from dish dvr to myth?

[21:51:07]

clever_:

but they allways get recorded

[21:51:16]

Aval0n:

clever thanks al ot

[21:51:21]

Aval0n:

myth keeps sounding better and better.

[21:51:33]

clever_:

lol

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gbee:

Aval0n: mileage varies with advert skipping, but it's generally pretty good in the US I'm told

[21:51:48]

Aval0n:

cool

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squish103:

Aval0n i have yet to see myth take out some of a show.. sometimes it may leave a commercial in though

[21:51:51]

clever_:

im in canada

[21:51:59]

clever_:

and the acuracy varryes with the show and channel

[21:52:07]

clever_:

with how its made

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Aval0n:

excellent

[21:52:13]

Aval0n:

I need to get a setup going asap

[21:52:18]

clever_:

it often skips the bit of intro video after every comercial

[21:52:18]

Aval0n:

is unbuntu ok to run myth on?

[21:52:32]

clever_:

and sometimes it puts a mark every 30 seconds between every comercial

[21:52:35]

squish103:

start with some hardware that is proven to work with myth

[21:52:40]

clever_:

and im using ubuntu for all my mythtv boxes

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Aval0n:

nice

[21:52:52]

gbee:

here in the UK it's pretty useless because transitions between the show and adverts is different

[21:53:02]

Aval0n:

thanks for the info guys i'll bbl

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squish103:

really gbee :( that is one of the best things about mythtv

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immolo:

gbee- We have a few channels that work though

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gbee:

squish103: I just skip the ads manually, I've got my jump configured for one minute and for most ad breaks I just press it 4 times

[21:55:14]

gbee:

immolo: tbh I never really bothered with it when it failed to work the few times I tried

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** dbkr_ finally manages to get mythtv to record **

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dbkr_:

ftr, libs/libmythtv/tv_rec.cpp:4090 is the answer if you want to record more than an hour from a composite input

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gbee:

imho there are better features in mythtv than commercial skipping

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** janneg is with binary search faster and frame accurate in marking commercials **

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Speedy2:

janneg: What do you mean?

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loops:

anyone here ever setup mytharchive on a frontend-only machine? what do you have to do to allow recorded media files to be copied from backend for processing/burning?

[21:59:31]

janneg:

Speedy2: I mark them manually

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Speedy2:

janneg: I have an idea that can reduce the commercial processing time by a few orders of magnitude.

[22:00:52]

gbee:

if I want to get rid of the adverts permanently then I just edit them out and it doesn't take very long at all

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janneg:

Speedy2: won't help with in acurate marks

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Speedy2:

janneg: Actually it should.

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janneg:

how?

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Speedy2:

janneg : msg me

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janneg:

no

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k-man_:

loops, i'm only guessing, but I'd guess you would have to nfs mount the partition where the recordings are stored

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loops:

k-man_, i think that's a good guess actually.. going to try that out next.

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loops:

thx

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ZipMsp:

when I try to run mythbackend I get this error: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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ZipMsp:

the mysql server is running, ideas?

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clever_:

ZipMsp: that sounds like an X11 error

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Aval0n:

is the hauppauge 1600 ccompatible with myth

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robbins876:

Aval0n, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

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Aval0n:

thank you sir

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Aval0n:

guess I'll go for the kworld 115 then

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Aval0n:

hmm

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Aval0n:

the kworld does not have a hardware mpeg3 decoder

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cesman:

mpeg3?

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Aval0n:

2

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Aval0n:

sorry

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Aval0n:

typo

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k-man_:

loops, good luck :)

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robbins876:

i want a hardware mpeg6 encoder

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Aval0n:

It is important to note that the analog tuner of this card does not have a hardware MPEG2 encoder; it is an old fashioned frame grabber based tuner. Therefore, it is highly unrecommended for analog use.

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Aval0n:

that's for the kworld

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Aval0n:

can someone recommend a better card?

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Aval0n:

HD card

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robbins876:

HD card?

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robbins876:

no

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robbins876:

i can't

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Aval0n:

hd tuner capture card

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robbins876:

yeah, i don't know...

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robbins876:

all i know is that halo 3 cannot come soon enough

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fryfrog:

There are *no* HD tuner cards that have hardware mpeg2 encoders on board for SD

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fryfrog:

if you want *good* HD and *good* SD, get 2 cards

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Aval0n:

what's SD?

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fryfrog:

a PVR150 for SD and any ATSC/QAM HD card you want

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fryfrog:

"standard def" ie "analog"

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Aval0n:

what I want is 2 tvs

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robbins876:

PVR150 is a good card

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Aval0n:

off one HTPC

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Aval0n:

so I was going to want 2 tuners anyway

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fryfrog:

then why are you asking about HD tuners?

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robbins876:

easily done

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Aval0n:

so would a kworld 115 and pvr150 be ideal?

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fryfrog:

i wouldn't say *easily* done, but 2 frontends from one PC isn't impossible

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Aval0n:

because I want the main veiwing room to have QAM hd channels

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Aval0n:

i would need 2 sound cards and a dual video card correct?

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fryfrog:

you'll have to setup two Xs (or maybe a dual head single X with one myth on each)

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robbins876:

i have 3 frontends running from my single backend, and it was pretty simple to set up

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fryfrog:

yeah, i am pretty sure you would

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fryfrog:

robbins876: what did you do for sound?

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fryfrog:

wait

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Aval0n:

robbins nice

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Aval0n:

3 sound cards?

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fryfrog:

no, he is asking for *ONE* PC to output to *TWO* TVs

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robbins876:

oh

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robbins876:

that "is" different

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fryfrog:

you are talking more than one *FE* (on more than one PC) connected to one *BE*

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robbins876:

correct

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robbins876:

i didn't understand what he was trying to do

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fryfrog:

your way is the easy way :)

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robbins876:

that's what i was thinking

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Aval0n:

anyone used a mythmvp?

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fryfrog:

2 sessions of X isn't rocket science though

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fryfrog:

I've heard of setups running 6 or 8 X sessions from one PC, like at libraries

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robbins876:

that's nuts

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fryfrog:

nah, saves money

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robbins876:

i would imagine it does

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fryfrog:

all anyone does at the library is browse teh web :)

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fryfrog:

you don't need much for that

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robbins876:

no way, i do intensive model renderings at the library

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robbins876:

i'm currently working on shrek 5

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fryfrog:

if you *DO* do a 2 FE single system and expect to do HD on *BOTH* frontends, make sure you get a decent dual core cpu

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fryfrog:

hehe

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Aval0n:

i just want 1 backened to two tvs

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Aval0n:

only the main room doing HDTV

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fryfrog:

I'd say something like a AMD X2 3800+ or better. My 3200+ is what I'd consider the minimum for HD, I'd want a dual core if I was doing two

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fryfrog:

Aval0n: no, what you want is a combined BE/FE where you are actually running two FEs

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robbins876:

I can't wait to build a new computer...spring semester, i'm doing it

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Aval0n:

fry how many pc'

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Aval0n:

would that take

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fryfrog:

1

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fryfrog:

the backend is a seperate process from the front end

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fryfrog:

ie, you run 1 backend and 2x frontend on one PC

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fryfrog:

I run 1 backend and 1 frontend on my *main* backend

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fryfrog:

and i have another PC that is my remote frontend (has no backend on it, but it *could*)

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Aval0n:

I see

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fryfrog:

What I *don't* know much about is setting up 2 sessions of X on one PC

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fryfrog:

that is what you'll need to look into

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Aval0n:

what about a dual head vid card

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fryfrog:

if you want kb/mouse on both, you'd need two kb/mouse

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robbins876:

Aval0n, or build another box and do it the easy way

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Aval0n:

and 2 X widnows

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Aval0n:

I'm very short on cash robbins

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robbins876:

fryfrog, or a KVM

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Aval0n:

I don't even have the cash for the main PC now.

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fryfrog:

KVM is for 1 kb/mouse/mon, 2+ machines

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robbins876:

i just checked my bank account after i got back from wal-mart...$15.87 until wednesday

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fryfrog:

anyway, time to go meet the wife for dinner

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robbins876:

that's so lame

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Aval0n:

so if I were to have just a kworld 110 or ati hdtv wonder.. I could tune both HD chans and analog

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Aval0n:

but just not at the same time

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JeffATL:

if I split up the front end and back end, which if the two machines needs the most CPU?

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Aval0n:

but if i had 10 and 10–1 I could hit chan up and get the HD 10–1 correct?

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Aval0n:

back end

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JeffATL:

Aval0n: ok, thx – 100Mhz Ethernet sufficient?

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clever:

ethernet isnt measured in mhz

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Aval0n:

100mbit?

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JeffATL:

Aval0n: sorry, yes

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Aval0n:

yes

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JeffATL:

Aval0n: ok, thx

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robbins876:

should be sufficient.

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** JeffATL is on meds, ok? :) **

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j00bar:

i've got a bt878 card and i'm feeding my cable box's composite inputs into the card. i've got the composite audio going into the card as well and have modprobe'd btaudio, configuring mythtv to use /dev/dsp1, however i still get no sound coming out of my mythtv box... is there something more i need to do?

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